[ { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 23, "turns": [ 1, 238 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , detailed design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed what the remote control design would look like. It had an interchangeable base made of soft sponge rubber so that the user could change the color or design of a trendy vegetable or fruit. User Interface said it was hard to make sure they were the perfect size laptops to fit in the battery box. User Interface asked about the attached button. Industrial Designer said they haven't designed it, but it would match. They settled on batteries and a regular chip to make the advanced iPod-like button work, and a flat piece of plastic with no curves. Industrial Designer said, \"flat\" sounds like a square remote. Project Manager said there would be plastic for the area around the button and then a soft rubber and a bunch of special colors.", "title": "Detailed Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 15, 38 ], 41, 44, [ 47, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , detailed design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; our design looks something like this. This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume; a button, serves as the power button if you hold it down, and if you just tap on it; brings up the menu; base of the remote control; a squishy spongy rubbery feel; interchangeable; change the colour. User Interface; didn't talk about was or design; the locator; you have to attach the button. Industrial Designer; the beeper's also inside there too somewhere, we didn't design that; But it would be coordinating with that of course. Project Manager; we decided on batteries, the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button; flat; There's plastic for that area around the button; lots of special colours; scroll wheel.", "title": "Detailed Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 15, 38 ], 41, 44, [ 47, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation criteria", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they have a presentation of evaluation criteria, to decide if this whole project really meets the standards that they set at the beginning. There would be 11 points on which to evaluate and the results would be the same as the evaluation criteria. User Interface said they could come up with this on their own and Marketing asked if they want to discuss this together or individually. Marketing gave an example on \"Were the batteries easy to install?\" The Industrial Designer said yes.", "title": "Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 62 ], [ 75, 76 ], [ 94, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation criteria", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said they had a presentation of evaluation criteria, to decide if this whole project really meets the standards that they set at the beginning. Marketing thought \"Were the batteries easy to insert\" be more like a question.", "title": "Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 62 ], [ 75, 76 ], [ 94, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "trendy fruit", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed what the remote control design would look like with its interchangeable soft sponge rubber base that snapped off, and you could swap it out for another trendy fruit. Therefore, people could buy different designs to change them.", "title": "Interchangeable Fruit Base", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "trendy fruit", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed what the design would look like. The remote control had an interchangeable base made of soft sponge rubber. User Interface said that I could change the vegetable or the fruit. The industrial designer said it snapped off, and you could trade it for another trendy fruit, as they had a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. Therefore, people could buy 3 or 5 of them to change them.", "title": "Interchangeable Fruit Base", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed the design of the wheel to change channels or volume, with a button that served as a power if you press and hold it as a menu. They haven't designed the attached locator, it would coordinate with the base of remote.", "title": "Remote Control Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 19, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "button", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed the layout of the button that served as a power if you hold it down and a menu if you just tap it and added they haven't designed the attached button for the pager, but it would coordinate with the remote.", "title": "Remote Control Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 19, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed what the remote control design would look like. It had a wheel to change channels or volume and a button that served as a power if you press and hold it and that works as a menu if you just touch it. User Interface asked about the layout of the locator. Industrial Designer said that the locator would just be a chip and a beeper that would go inside and that the attached button, although not designed, would match the remote.", "title": "Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 12, 33 ], 36 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever. This is a button, serves as the power button if you hold it down; if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu; the base of the remote control; which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel, is interchangeable; change the colour; So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control; And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them; because they'll need to switch out; Well the locator is just chip that's inside there; My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes.", "title": "Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 12, 33 ], 36 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "table", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said they have a presentation of evaluation criteria so that they could decide if this whole project really meets the standards that they set at the beginning. To do this, they analyzed the requirements of the users, integrated them with the trends found in the marketing reports. Everything was listed in 11 points to evaluate that were placed inside a table.", "title": "Evaluation Criteria Table", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 57 ], 161 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "table", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they have a presentation of evaluation criteria so that they could decide if this whole project really meets the standards that they set at the beginning. They analyzed the user requirements and integrated them with the trends found in the marketing reports and in the company's marketing strategy and everything they found was listed, so these were all the things that they observed at the beginning and the criteria that must be met and placed it all inside a table.", "title": "Evaluation Criteria Table", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 57 ], 161 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Okay well um . So our design looks something like this . This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever . This is a button , serves as the power button if you hold it down , and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu . And uh the base of the remote control , which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel , is interchangeable . So you can change the colour , according to your {disfmarker} to suit your living room or whatever . And it comes {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You could change the vegetable , or fruit .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , I can change the vegetable .", "Project Manager : Oh is that broccoli ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : This one's broccoli {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want . This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it . This is a mango .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : The {disfmarker} it's trendy fruit , it's not just ordinary fruits .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You don't have orange , you have mango . Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : 'S a very bright strawberry . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control . And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them , because they'll need to switch 'em out .", "User Interface : It's been a l", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable , and that the user can use it , you know , it's not too big . Uh but we think that this you know , this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah .", "User Interface : And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was {disfmarker} or design yet actually , would be the um thing {disfmarker} the locator . How how {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well the locator is just chip that's inside there .", "User Interface : Okay so that's just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere", "User Interface : So you have to have a button on your on your {disfmarker} you have to attach the button to the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah we didn't design that .", "User Interface : Yeah we have {disfmarker} that that has yes yet to be designed .", "Industrial Designer : But it would be coordinating with that of course .", "User Interface : Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : You could have a broccoli , or you could have a mango . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So . Tada .", "Project Manager : Oh . Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder , there's an Excel spreadsheet . Um the only one that's in there , production costs . And if you open it up . Um I've just stuck the numbers in , it was a real challenge there . {vocalsound} But if I missed anything that we've gone over , or if you see something that has changed {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I mean , we decided on batteries , and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I said uncurved or flat . I think that's what you have there , is that right ? For the for the plastic part would be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes .", "Project Manager : Oh . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : But it's really not very clear , because you got single curve and double curve and {disfmarker} d I dunno what that means .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : One side is curved and then the other side is curved .", "Project Manager : Well {disfmarker} yeah . If we're talking about the area just {disfmarker} oh I d I dunno . I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um so what else ? There's plastic for that area around the button . Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um and lots of special colours actually . {vocalsound} Uh scroll wheel . Do you see anything that I've missed ?", "Industrial Designer : No I think that's alright .", "Project Manager : Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine , which is even less than twelve point five , which means we'd be making even more of a profit .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And if we sold a lot of squishy things .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Boo yeah . Okay . {vocalsound} S So {disfmarker} Mm . Did y what did you work on ? The {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um evaluation criteria .", "Project Manager : Okay . Do you wanna {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I've got a presentation .", "Project Manager : Okay . I think that's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So I need {disfmarker} where's the cable ? Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start . Um . Right . This doesn't {disfmarker} okay . Um the method is {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing . And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , and this is {disfmarker} everything's listed down . Um , look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use . These are all things we looked at at the start , um and criteria that have to be met . We have to use a table , I'll show you that later , together to decide whether it meets the standards . And {vocalsound} we we have therefore in total um {disfmarker} We have five {disfmarker} we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated . And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria . I would like to show you the table we have to use . Um . No . This is the table . Can you see this here ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um so the que the questions I've given you {disfmarker} c could you write that down ? True is one and and false is seven . And we'll just go through each point together , hopefully . Um . I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I dunno how it works exactly , I haven't been told .", "User Interface : Yeah . Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own {disfmarker} {gap}", "Marketing : Yeah it's in the um {disfmarker} it's in the project documents .", "User Interface : Is it meeting three minutes ? No it's not minutes .", "Marketing : It's called evaluation criteria .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : And it's under evaluation .", "Project Manager : Huh , the PowerPoint one ?", "Industrial Designer : Hmm ?", "User Interface : Okay . Cool .", "Marketing : Yeah . You've found it all ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So it was um {disfmarker} Yeah true's one .", "User Interface : True's one and false is seven .", "Marketing : Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly ?", "Project Manager : Um we can do it separately and then discuss it", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah okay .", "Project Manager : if if that's what people wanna do .", "User Interface : So it's actually a scale .", "Project Manager : Wait , one is true and {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um ,", "Project Manager : so these are the questions we're answering . And one is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : yes it's {disfmarker} if it's fancy you put one ,", "Project Manager : One , right okay .", "Marketing : if it's really unfancy it's seven .", "Project Manager : If it's somewhere in between you put four .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , something .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Okay . {vocalsound} Does it feel fancy ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Feels like play-dough .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : They shouldn't really be questions . Should be more like {disfmarker} Are the batteries easy to insert ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'm gonna say yes . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yes ? Very very true . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I imagine they're somewhere on the front . We have a little case that you slip 'em in .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Are we just about ready ?", "Marketing : Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard . Do we {disfmarker} um is it necessary ?", "Project Manager : I don't think so . It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : We'll just do um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : Our animals will forever be there .", "Marketing : Yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Un unless you feel you need it t to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I don't feel any {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : We'll {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : right um {disfmarker} Right so one point one ? We'll just go in a circle .", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay", "User Interface : One .", "Industrial Designer : Five .", "Marketing : Right . Ooh I don't know .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Right . One ?", "Industrial Designer : Five .", "Project Manager : Five .", "Marketing : Five .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Two . Okay so do we just add it up and divide it by four ? Is that what the company does ?", "Project Manager : I I think we should {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's four if you wanna do that .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It adds to sixteen , so that's four .", "Marketing : Oh no . It adds to thirteen . One five five two .", "Industrial Designer : Oh I thought she said five .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : One five five two is thirteen , over four for now . I think that's um {disfmarker} next ?", "User Interface : Um three .", "Industrial Designer : Six .", "Project Manager : Six .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Really ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Two .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I wasn't cheating I swear .", "Marketing : Uh-oh . Right . One point three is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So it's a one was true and seven was false ?", "Project Manager : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : Huh ?", "User Interface : {gap} Okay , so you guys really didn't like it ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Oh I thought it was the other way round .", "Industrial Designer : Wait a minute .", "Marketing : I really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I thought it was the other way round too .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So we do have about the same thing , we just have it the other way {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Sh Yeah I I was thinking one means no points , you know , all the way up to the top {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah . It was one is true and {vocalsound} false is seven .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I should've kept the table up .", "Project Manager : Oh gosh . Okay . Well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I'll just I'll just reverse them all . It's no problem .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Right , well I'm glad this came out .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I thought you guys hated it . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I was like , why did you guys design it that way if you hated it ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No . {vocalsound} Oh that's quite funny {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . {gap}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . So , starting again , one point one ?", "User Interface : One .", "Industrial Designer : Say two .", "Project Manager : Three .", "Marketing : Two . Okay , one point two ?", "User Interface : Uh three .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Project Manager : Two .", "Marketing : Two . Okay . Um , one point three ?", "User Interface : One .", "Project Manager : One .", "Industrial Designer : One .", "Marketing : Ha . {vocalsound} Two point one ?", "Project Manager : Two .", "User Interface : Uh two .", "Industrial Designer : Uh two .", "Project Manager : Two point {disfmarker} I think I missed two . {vocalsound} Wait , is that two point one ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : One point four , one point five . Okay right", "Marketing : Oh dear , okay . Sorry .", "Project Manager : that's {disfmarker} I have two of them .", "Industrial Designer : Mine has all kinds of problems .", "Marketing : Two and one .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Sorry about that . T two point two , which is one point five .", "Project Manager : One .", "Industrial Designer : Uh three . Wait why did I put three ?", "User Interface : Uh one .", "Industrial Designer : I meant one on mine too .", "Marketing : Okay . Three point one . Is that correct on my slide ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah ?", "User Interface : Uh one .", "Industrial Designer : Three point one . I have four .", "Project Manager : Three .", "Marketing : One , four , three , three , three point two ?", "Industrial Designer : Three .", "Project Manager : Three .", "User Interface : Uh . One .", "Marketing : Three point three .", "User Interface : One .", "Industrial Designer : One .", "Project Manager : Two .", "Marketing : Four point one ?", "User Interface : One .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Project Manager : Five .", "Marketing : Two . Four point two .", "User Interface : Two .", "Industrial Designer : Three .", "Project Manager : Four .", "Marketing : Two and four point three .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Marketing : One , two .", "User Interface : One .", "Project Manager : Two .", "Marketing : Right so I put one on that .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue .", "Project Manager : Okay . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Or is it tedious ? I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 46, "turns": [ 47, 250 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design , tool training", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager opened the meeting by giving the agenda and aim of the project. The agenda included acquaintance, tool training, and project discussion. Project manager further listed the steps involved in the design.", "title": "Project Kick-off Proceedings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design , tool training", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager in the opening speech gave the agenda of the meeting mentioning that the new remote control design project would include functional design, conceptual design, and detailed design. Project manager further said that the new remote control was required to be original, trendy, and user-friendly. Every stage of design would demand certain work from all team members.", "title": "Project Kick-off Proceedings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "boards , tools", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager described the various tools on the smart boards that would be used for presentation during the meetings and the folder where all documents for the meeting could be uploaded in order to be accessible on the smart boards.", "title": "Tools for the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "boards , tools", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The tools available for use for PowerPoint presentations were the smartboard and the electronic whiteboard. There was a shared documents folder where files could be uploaded and accessed during meetings. The whiteboard had quite simple functions like a very simple paint application, including the pen function, eraser function, and a blank button that could be used to open a new sheet.", "title": "Tools for the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "favourite animal , line width", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager described the process of using the various features of the whiteboard and gave a task of drawing favourite animals for all team members to practice using the tools.", "title": "How to Use the Whiteboard Tools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "favourite animal , line width", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "use an eraser; make new blanks; change the line width and the colour of the pen by pressing forward; select pen format. And then select the current colour or line width. So; it's quite easy. try out the electronic whiteboards. Every participant should draw his favourite animal.", "title": "How to Use the Whiteboard Tools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "piranha", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager drew a piranha using the same sheet and different colors, some a little white to look like a fish and the teeth were not supposed to be green. Also, Project Manager loved its razor-sharp teeth, the big forehead, and small actual face, and loved overall aggressive looks as favourite characteristics.", "title": "Project Manager's Favorite Animal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 42, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "piranha", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "draw a piranha; gonna use some different colour; like its overall aggressive look.", "title": "Project Manager's Favorite Animal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 42, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cat", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer did not have a favorite animal but chose to draw a cat which was a very small animal because they could be domesticated, have a smart nature, and had ease of handling due to their small size.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Favourite Animal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 160, 198 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cat", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Cats could be kept at home which differentiated them from the other animals drawn. Cats re smart, small, and easy to handle.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Favourite Animal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 160, 198 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Great . Well , welcome to the kick-off meeting . I uh forgot to put my name over here , it's uh {vocalsound} it's Martin . Uh , so you all know .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , this is the agenda for today . Well , the opening is what I'm doing right now .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh , we gonna do some acquaintance acquaintance things . Uh give some um examples of the tool training , project plan discussion and the closing . We have twenty five minutes . Okay , the project aim is to design a new remote control .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Uh , some of the {vocalsound} oje objectives are that is has to be original , trendy , and user-friendly . So now we all know what our", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : goal is . Um , I {disfmarker} oh forget {disfmarker} I forget the whole acquaintance part , but we we all know each other . We all know each other's names . Joost , Guido , Antek .", "User Interface : What is your name ?", "Marketing : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Antek .", "User Interface : Antek Ahmet . And Joost . {gap}", "Project Manager : Okay . I think we uh al already uh been through that part .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , it consists of uh three levels of design . Uh we begin with the functional design , then we go to the conceptual design and the detailed design . Every uh level of design consists of some individual work , and we uh close it with a meeting . You all received an email with a example of our explanation of what uh the particular level of design uh means to the different uh functions , and uh you p you probably read that already , so I don't have to tell you about that .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : Okay , first we're gonna um uh gonna try some different things with the tools we have over here , so you get acquainted with these uh um uh meeting tools . We have the smart-boards , uh the thes those two boards . This is the presentation boards , wh which one I'm using right now . You can uh um {disfmarker} there's a document folder called um the sh {vocalsound} shared document folder . You can upload your uh documents to that folder and then you can open them over here , so you can do your PowerPoint presentations on this screen . We also have the white-board . Uh , we're gonna skip through th", "User Interface : Can we see the white-board on our laptops ?", "Project Manager : No , no . Just on the on the screen over there .", "User Interface : No , I saw I saw the file , the smart-board that X_B_K_ but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh , no . Probably is , but I don't know if the software is on the laptop {gap} . Is is {disfmarker} if it's mainly a thing for in the meeting , so I don't think it's {disfmarker} I don't know if it's important .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : This an explanation of the smart-boards . There is a tool-bar over here . It's quite simple . You have the the pen function , eraser function . It's like a very simple uh paint application . Uh , we {disfmarker} well , we use the same file during uh the whole day , and uh you can make new sheets by uh by pu puttin pressing on the blank button . It works like this . Oh . {vocalsound} If pen is selected , yes .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh , no no .", "User Interface : With that pen ?", "Project Manager : It's not {disfmarker} But it is pen . It's not working like a pen yet .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Huh . Huh .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : It's doing some stuff now . So you can use a pen .", "User Interface : Little bit slower .", "Project Manager : You can use an eraser . And you can make new uh fi uh new blanks , and you can change uh the line width and the colour of the pen by pressing on forward , which y you have to select pen format . And then select current colour or line width . So , it's quite easy . Uh well , now you're all uh acquainted with the different tools . Right , we're gonna try out the electronic white-boards . Uh , every participant should draw his favourite animal and some of its favourite characteristics ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : on blank sheets with different colours , with different pen widths . Uh , I'll start off then . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I'll use this uh same sheet . Alright . Oh , let me think . Different colours . Oh .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , I'm gonna draw um a p piranha . Uh , a fish .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} piranha . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . I'm gonna use some different colour {gap} now .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Some {disfmarker} a little white . Looks like a fish . Think it is . Oh .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh . {vocalsound} Uh , colour . This is black ? I think so .", "User Interface : Yellow {gap} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh . Oh , this is just uh {vocalsound} useless uh drawings but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh teeth . I need teeth . {vocalsound} Well , they're not supposed to be green , or whatever colour this is .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay . What was uh {disfmarker} I have su to sum up its favourite characteris", "User Interface : Different .", "Project Manager : Well , I like its uh sharp {disfmarker} razor sharp teeth . {vocalsound} Plus , uh the the big uh forehead and uh a small uh , well a small actual face . And I like its overall uh aggressive look and {disfmarker} Well , that's what I like about uh piranha . I think that's kind of what uh the intention should be .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Well , who wants to be next ?", "Marketing : Nobody , I guess . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I will try . Yeah . I will try . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You go , Guido ? Okay . Uh , make a new sheet . Uh , it's by pressing on blank .", "User Interface : Blank ?", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : Okay . Then pen again ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : And uh {disfmarker} so in the format menu you can choose the different uh colours and uh pen widths .", "User Interface : Okay , um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Format .", "User Interface : {gap} control . Uh {disfmarker} Ah , purple . Um , I don't know what my uh favourite uh animal is ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : but the easiest animal I can think is is a bird .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh I will {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} You know , I thought of that actually .", "User Interface : That's my bird . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Isn't it quite {disfmarker} it's a little bit light .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh , another colour maybe . A red one .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : A small one . Uh , line width . Two ? Three . Oh that's okay . That's another one .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well , tell us something about uh your favourite characteristics of these uh particular birds .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Ano {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} it's a {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Its simplicity . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , it's uh the most simple uh animal I know , I think .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um , I don't know . Maybe because uh there's there's some s uh free uh maybe in the sky or something like that .", "Project Manager : Oh , okay . Okay .", "User Interface : Maybe a little bit . Yeah . I don't know .", "Project Manager : Okay . No , uh it's clear .", "User Interface : So {gap} more uh birds ?", "Project Manager : N no {vocalsound} no .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : We get your point . Okay . Who wants to be next ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} Okay , {vocalsound} okay , {vocalsound} okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , whatever . I'll go next .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Thanks .", "User Interface : M", "Marketing : I haven't got a favourite animal too , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Pictionary . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh . {vocalsound} What should I draw ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : A cow .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : Thank you ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'll draw a penguin . {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} I'll draw a penguin . Whatever . I can't draw , so you can start to laugh already .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I'll do so . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Whatever . Something like that .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Come on .", "User Interface : Yeah , it's little bit hard .", "Marketing : Mm hmm hmm , orange .", "User Interface : Orange , of course .", "Marketing : Whatever .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh , {vocalsound} it's better than your bird .", "User Interface : {gap} Uh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Everything's better than your bird .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} True .", "Marketing : Whatever .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Hey , it's blue . No . Whatever . Um , I like its ugliness {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and uh {disfmarker} Yeah , whatever . The way it walks or whatever .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Your turn .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Drawing . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'm going to draw a cat . I don't know why , but a cat is a very uh smart animal .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And you can have them at home .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Which is not as the case with uh with bingwings and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well , you can have a piranha at home .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Ye yes , {vocalsound} yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Huh .", "Marketing : Or a line .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : A little bit . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I mean a bird . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound} Don't mess with my birds , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's not very uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} very good drawn , but you can see a cat from it . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Hmm . It's a handicapped cat .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} cat .", "Project Manager : I don't think uh I don't think uh Darwin would agree with that . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Ah , it's not scared . He's crying but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {gap} . Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} He's crying because it's ugl because of his ugliness .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} What do you like about it then ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh it's i most cats are small .", "Project Manager : Oh , okay .", "Industrial Designer : You can handle them . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Okay ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and then we are uh through the tool training , I guess .", "User Interface : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 197, 341 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy sources", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said most of the remotes were and had been presumably infrared or radio remote controls, they were trying to do something different with a short-range signal, Industrial Designer said the basic function of the remote control was to send messages from the remote to another system like a TV or a DVD player. Industrial Designer presented a schematic diagram and said one way to start off was choosing the energy system, that energy system would feed into an integrated circuit chip that actually composed the different messages the remote sent to other systems, Industrial Designer also expressed the need for getting energy sources that would never die out, perhaps with some rechargeable battery or a battery dock that people could set in the couch, it could be a good idea to include a wide range receiver, so people could change channels anywhere of the room and the channel would still be changed, Project Manager had not thought in life expectancy of a remote control and said all batteries were of lithium-whatever, so there was no need to change it in at least five or ten years.", "title": "Energy Sources on a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 11 ], [ 25, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy sources", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they needed sort of big energy sources that would never die, perhaps using some rechargeable battery or a battery dock. Industrial Designer explained the basic function of the remote control was to send messages to another system like a TV or a DVD player and those messages were composed on an integrated circuit chip fed with an energy source.", "title": "Energy Sources On A Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 11 ], [ 25, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy source", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager needed to look at the technicalities of the energy source because they were trying to do something different with a short-range signal, said nowadays all batteries were of lithium-whatever, so there was no need to change it in at least five or ten years, so Project Manager agreed on getting a big energy source.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion on Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ 9, 11, 14, 36, 38 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy source", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager needed to look at the technicalities to achieve the power requirements without compromising their needs, requirements such as an energy source. If the source was permanently available, the priority was to reduce the buttons to the absolute minimum. They were trying to do something different with a short-range signal because most of the remotes were and had always been presumably infrared, Project Manager had not thought in life expectancy of a remote control, and agreed with Industrial Designer on getting a big energy source and said all batteries were of lithium-whatever, so there was no need to change it in at least five or ten years.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion on Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ 9, 11, 14, 36, 38 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy source", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they would need sort of a big energy source that would never die out, perhaps with some rechargeable battery or a battery dock, also said the energy system would feed into an integrated circuit chip that composed messages to send to the TV or DVD player.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion on Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ 25, 27, 29, 31 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy source", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the basic function of the remote control was to send messages to another system like a TV or a DVD player, those messages were composed in an integrated circuit chip fed by an energy source, Industrial Designer presented a schematic diagram of the energy source and expressed the need of getting sort of a big one that would never die out, perhaps with some rechargeable battery or a battery dock, so people would not have to be worried about running out of batteries.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion on Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ 25, 27, 29, 31 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "simplicity , cost effective , battery", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were looking for external simplicity but with a high-tech interior the product would be cost effective, Industrial Designer said that most of the little cells didn't have the combination of two, like when there was a light, it would work off the light but if there was not the case, the light would kill the battery.", "title": "Cost Effective Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 77, 80 ], [ 87, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "simplicity , cost effective , battery", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager, going for, external simplicity; high tech interior, be cost effective. Industrial Designer, the little cells. Project Manager, battery ones, permanently sealed. Industrial Designer, have sort of a combination, enough light, using the light, not, draining the battery, battery there for when, need it.", "title": "Cost Effective Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 77, 80 ], [ 87, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy , user interface , circuit chip , infrared", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that technically speaking and like general finding, the remote control would need an energy source, a user interface and a design of circuit chip of the user interface within the remote control that sent the messages, it would need a receiver too because the sender could be an infrared bulb.", "title": "Industrial Designer's General Findings", "relevant_turns": [ 27, 29 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy , user interface , circuit chip , infrared", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, need an energy source, feed into an integrated circuit chip; need a user interface, controls the chip, send signals to the infrared bulb.", "title": "Industrial Designer's General Findings", "relevant_turns": [ 27, 29 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay , can I um {disfmarker} I'm actually gonna use the um {disfmarker} it's gonna cause great technical problems over here . I'm actually gonna use the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : F they probably clip to you .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , they might be movable .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , they're all {disfmarker} they're not connected to anything on the table , you just leave 'em on and walk around with 'em . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes , rather than the uh the the traditional {disfmarker} in fact , um I won't even go that far . Um something like this shape , you know , sort of something that you can {disfmarker} that's sort of a more vertical shape , um that you you sort of hold in your hand , um , well I'm trying to think uh uh uh l uh l such as {disfmarker} I mean um something you hold up like that , possibly with a couple of buttons like that , but with the the entire top with the , you know , the uh the infrared or whatever source .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Uh so that you know , it's flying off in all directions ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : so that uh um uh {vocalsound} again the {disfmarker} n need to look at the the the technicalities of um actually achieving that in terms of whether the , you know , the power requirements of the uh {disfmarker} such a source , um you know , compromise the {disfmarker} our our need for uh you know , it it being um mm permanently uh you know , available .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh whether whether different technology {disfmarker} um I mean th all all these remotes are presumably infrared , and like they have been for a long time . Uh we we possibly need to be looking at at at something different , um you know , short range , not like the old uh radio remote controls where you'd change next door's telly when you change yours . Um", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but uh uh I think basically i if we're going for {disfmarker} i if minimum number of buttons is our priority , then we should , as I say , r know , really bite the bullets and and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum , you know , possibly with backup channel and volume buttons and on off . Um and nothing else . {vocalsound} Um so that it can al it could uh almost end up like that , but again , except that um {disfmarker} you know the risk of losing it . Um anyway okay um so Kate , wh what are your uh your thoughts on this ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes , mm . {gap}", "User Interface : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : Which one does this plug into ?", "User Interface : Hmm I think it's all there .", "Industrial Designer : That one .", "User Interface : H", "Industrial Designer : I can't {disfmarker} did you {gap} {disfmarker} could you see it on you screen when it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's not cool . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That's kind of strange .", "Industrial Designer : Oh well . Anyways . Um alright , yeah , so um I'll just do my presentation on the working design uh . {vocalsound} Oh there we go . Okay um just at the m yeah the whole sort of method of how the remote control works . Uh the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another sh system , the the T_V_ or the D_V_D_ player or whatever .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um and it does this uh by {disfmarker} well , you need {disfmarker} to start off you need an energy source {vocalsound} and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages uh within the remote um which will then be sent to the uh the television , the D_V_D_ to tell that what to do . Um and you need a user interface , which controls the chip and thus the messages and uh the user interface is {disfmarker} that's basically just you kn the s sorta design of the actual remote which you hold in your hands and what buttons will be on it . Um {disfmarker} Oh shoot . Okay . Uh just general findings . Uh what we need uh technically speaking for the remote control is some sort of energy source , {vocalsound} uh some sort of user interface , which I think we've mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that . Um a circuit chip within that to uh control and send the messages and um a sender and receiver . And um {disfmarker} oops . Uh-huh . This is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we're looking for . Uh this just kinda represents the energy source", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : which feeds into the circuit chip uh which maybe then we could have that feed into a switch which would send signals f to um {vocalsound} a subcomponent and on to a light bulb between {disfmarker} so it'll light up once we start {disfmarker} once you start pressing buttons . Um also send signals to the um infrared bulb , which will be the part that actually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what ? Sends signals to the the television . And then you've got your happy little T_V_ watcher there .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And so my personal preferences {disfmarker} I I just think we need sorta big uh energy source that won't die out , uh perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in , so it'd constantly be charged , so you wouldn't have to uh be worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you . Uh a wide range uh sender-receiver , so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room , and the channel'll still be changed . Uh also definitely a user-friendly interface {vocalsound} um and I think we've all sort of mentioned adding a a locating device on it , so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions , as they inevitably do , you can find them easily . And that's pretty much it .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh it seems seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make before we um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm . {gap}", "Project Manager : I think your point about the the big energy source is uh a very valid one .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um I don't suppose we've got any statistics on the the life expectancy of uh remote controls , particularly sort of independent ones . Um given you know , the number of things you buy these days , which you know , have a a a lithium whatever battery in , that's uh , you know never needs replacing .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um perhaps we should have the the disposable remote control , uh um you know , one {disfmarker} some sort of typical usage . You know , the the the battery will last know , five , ten years . By which time {disfmarker} I mean when all's said and done , the digital television {vocalsound} will be taking over in that time scale . Um", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : uh uh p perhaps we should , know , reduce the uh , you know , the sort of moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment and uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Just having one that's guaranteed to last five to ten years ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , and if if anybody manages to run it down , we'll we'll give 'em a new one .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , cool . {vocalsound} Yeah , fair enough .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um it's , you know , it's {disfmarker} what it saves in cost and you know there there's a {disfmarker} well , it's actually a marketing gimmick . I mean it's hardly a gimmick , it's uh it's totally practical . Uh so I th think you know the idea of a rechargeable one is um uh unless you're really high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it's n by , you know , magnetic waves or whatever , if if it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It could have like uh {disfmarker} know like a cordless phone in your house it s got like a base that sits there all the time .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm , mm .", "Project Manager : Are are people really gonna use it though ? Um .", "User Interface : Yeah , people are pro", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I suppose , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm yeah {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I would think that people might forget {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I I th I think {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I mean people forget to put their cordless phones back on there ,", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-mm .", "User Interface : so .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : um {disfmarker} I mean I know that somei times my my wife goes out in the morning and says oh I should have put the phone on to charge", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : and then then she's had those for so long that if she hasn't worked that out by now . Um .", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause I only remember to charge my cell phone uh when battery dies . {vocalsound} And that's pretty much {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : When it {disfmarker} yeah , wh when it's died is a problem .", "Industrial Designer : yeah . Yeah , when it turns itself off , that's when I plug it in ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah , yeah , {gap} so uh um", "Industrial Designer : yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : what so wh what what do we think about the um the the permanent mm battery ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , think that's a good idea .", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : Uh . That sounds pretty good , yeah .", "Project Manager : Is the uh {disfmarker} you know , we we we are really going for the ultimate in ex uh external simplicity here .", "User Interface : Um .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um you know , cut cost within the manufacturing and uh you know , if we have a high tech interior , then then that that sh may well be cost effective .", "User Interface : Do they make batteries that last that long ?", "Project Manager : I mean th th certainly . Um I can't think of anything off the s top of my head ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} They usually have the little light uh {vocalsound} source ,", "Project Manager : but there are certainly things that you buy . I mean calculators for example .", "Industrial Designer : I dunno what the heck they're called ,", "User Interface : Yeah , they have that little solar {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : the {disfmarker} but", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Som well some do ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah , the little cells that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I mean th th but there are battery ones", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : that um are you know , sort of permanently sealed .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : In in fact I'd {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Most of them , don't they have sort of a combination of the two , like when there is light , they'll work off the light ,", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : and if there isn't , they'll kick into this battery ,", "Project Manager : uh uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery , but if there's enough light , then it's using the light , so that it's not actually draining the battery all the time , but you will have the battery there for when you need it .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I I mean th th this needs going t into the technology a bit .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : I mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : I would think is i is is probably , you know , no more than minutes in its entire life . Um . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Oh , it depend if it's {disfmarker} uh depends who who's using it , who's just sitting there clicking clicking clicking clicking ,", "User Interface : Yeah , some people are {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : If , but I say if if people are getting R_S_I_ from it then uh then uh then then perhaps we're looking at the wrong market", "Industrial Designer : yeah . Yeah , {vocalsound} then they're clicking a lot , yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} W", "Project Manager : n", "Marketing : like like this um this uh market research thing says number of times per hour that it's used , channel selection a hundred and sixty eight", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Per hour ?", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : times per hour .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Wow . {vocalsound} That's a lot . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh , I must admit I hadn't um {disfmarker} I'd I'd missed that . That does sound excessive .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : But then again , if you think it {disfmarker} of the amount of , you know amount of use it's like {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : That's {disfmarker} it's less than a second , um .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Well that's right , and and I I don't I don't even know whether the I don't even know whether the s the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the button pressed ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : or whether it's just a", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : sorta tenth of a second , no matter how long you press it for , I don't know I don't actually know . Um .", "User Interface : Though I think with digital T_V_ , like I know on my cable box , you're not supposed to do that because the channel can't keep up with it if you just press it like that ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : so you're supposed to use the menu and go through the different", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : channels that way instead of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Right , so I've got a message to say five minutes , I dunno how long ago that appeared . Um 'cause we're we're getting", "User Interface : Uh-oh ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 58, "turns": [ 0, 36 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Hans-Guenter", "speaker": "Professor C , PhD B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor C said Hans-Guenter would be there next Tuesday and thought they might end up with some longer collaboration. Professor C also added that Hans-Guenter gonna looked at everything they were doing. PhB said they met Hans-Guenter in Amsterdam. PhD A said Hans-Guenter was here when PhD A was a grad student for a year or six months but PhD B said haven't noticed Hans-Guenter. Professor C added that Hans-Guenter did a couple of stays there.", "title": "Visitation of Hans-Guenter", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Hans-Guenter", "speaker": "Professor C , PhD B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor C said Hans-Guenter would be there for about three weeks and gonna looked at everything they were doing and gave thoughts, so it would be another good person looking at things. Professor C answered Grad E's question, said Hans-Guenter was a very easygoing person and very interested in everything. PhD A and PhD B agreed with that.", "title": "Visitation of Hans-Guenter and His Personality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 34 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : OK , we 're going .", "PhD D : Damn .", "Professor C : And uh Hans - uh , Hans - Guenter will be here , um , I think by next {disfmarker} next Tuesday or so .", "PhD B : Oh , OK .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : So he 's {disfmarker} he 's going to be here for about three weeks ,", "PhD B : Oh ! That 's nice .", "PhD A : Just for a visit ?", "Professor C : and , uh {disfmarker} Uh , we 'll see .", "PhD A : Huh .", "Professor C : We might {disfmarker} might end up with some longer collaboration or something .", "PhD A : Cool .", "Professor C : So he 's gonna look in on everything we 're doing", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : and give us his {disfmarker} his thoughts . And so it 'll be another {disfmarker} another good person looking at things .", "PhD B : Oh . Hmm .", "Grad E : Th - that 's his spectral subtraction group ?", "Professor C : Yeah ,", "Grad E : Is that right ?", "Professor C : yeah .", "Grad E : Oh , OK . So I guess I should probably talk to him a bit too ?", "Professor C : Oh , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . No , he 'll be around for three weeks . He 's , uh , um , very , very , easygoing , easy to talk to , and , uh , very interested in everything .", "PhD A : Really nice guy .", "Professor C : Yeah , yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah , we met him in Amsterdam .", "Professor C : Yeah , yeah , he 's been here before .", "PhD B : Oh , OK .", "Professor C : I mean , he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Wh - Back when I was a grad student he was here for a , uh , uh {disfmarker} a year or {comment} n six months .", "PhD B : I haven't noticed him .", "Professor C : N nine months .", "PhD A : Something like that .", "Professor C : Something like that .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah . Yeah . He 's {disfmarker} he 's done a couple stays here .", "PhD B : Hmm .", "Professor C : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 12, "turns": [ 327, 485 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plp jrasta", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A asked that if in the upper part, in English stuff, it looked like the best number was sixty point nine, in the third section, under PLP JRASTA, middle column.", "title": "PhD A Talking about PLP JRASTA", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plp jrasta", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A; Ask something real quick; upper part; the English; very best number is sixty point nine; the third section; upper part under PLP JRASTA; sort of the middle column.", "title": "PhD A Talking about PLP JRASTA", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different things", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said that what they saw was that the networks were very good, better numbers than Pratibha results, and that there were different things, like the alpha value, and the recursion, which used default value in the programs there, different from the Pratibha values.", "title": "PhD D Talking About Different Things", "relevant_turns": [ [ 48, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "different things", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said that what they saw the ways that they were doing this was not correct, but that the networks were very good, better numbers than Pratibha results, and that there were different things, first the alpha value, and the recursion, which used point five percent, default value in the programs there. And Pratibha used five percent.", "title": "PhD D Talking About Different Things", "relevant_turns": [ [ 48, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "particular phoneme", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said that there was basically a flaw in the stuff and if they trained networks on a specific task; and what they asked the network was to put the decision boundaries in space, to put one, at one side, for a particular phoneme at one side of the boundary, and one for another phoneme at the other side.", "title": "PhD D Talking About a Particular Phoneme", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "particular phoneme", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D; there is basically perhaps a flaw; trained the networks; or a specific; task; the decision boundaries somewhere in the space; ask the network to put one; one side; for a particular phoneme; another phoneme at the other side; reduction of the information; not correct; change task; phonemes are not; context; new task; decision boundaries; not the same.", "title": "PhD D Talking About a Particular Phoneme", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "training", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said that they may have some context that would never occur in one language, but could be frequent in the other, so if it got enough training, for a particular context became harder, and they didn't have a huge amount of training data. At last it asked about training testings.", "title": "Professor B Talking About Training", "relevant_turns": [ 99, [ 133, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "training", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said that it may have some context that never occurs in one language, and would be frequent in the other, so the issue of getting enough training, for a particular kind of context became harder, and they didn't have a huge amount of training data. At last, asked about HTK training testings going on.", "title": "Professor B Talking About Training", "relevant_turns": [ 99, [ 133, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "binary decisions", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD said that they had a neural network, that was trained almost to give binary decisions, about phonemes. So basically it was almost binary decisions, and the idea about used classes was getting something less binary decisions. Professor B said that it would be more of a binary decision, a more distinct one.", "title": "PhD D and Professor B Talking About Binary Decisions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "binary decisions", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD said that they had a neural network to give binary decisions. The idea about used classes was fewer binary decisions. Professor B said that it would be more of a binary decision.", "title": "PhD D and Professor B Talking About Binary Decisions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "on-line normalization", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D said that they made a lot of assumptions about on-line normalization, and they noticed that the approach wasn't delivering good results. It got results with straight PLP features using on-line normalization. In the table, at the left of plp twelve on-line normalization, were the results of Pratibha with the on-line normalization approach, and there were the results of OGI with on-line normalization and straight features to HTK.", "title": "PhD D Talking About On-Line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "on-line normalization", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D said that they made a lot of assumptions about on-line normalization, and they just noticed that the approach that they were using wasn't delivering good results. It got results for Italian with straight PLP features using on-line normalization. In the table, at the left of PLP twelve on-line normalization column, were the results of Pratibha with the on-line normalization approach, and there were the results of OGI with on-line normalization. And the previous result, eighty-six and so on were with their features straight to HTK. Professor B asked what was wrong with on-line normalization. PhD said that there were different things.", "title": "PhD D Talking About On-Line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D said that the networks were trained with noise, and Professor B said the noise was different, PhD agreed and said that there were two kinds of training with noise.", "title": "PhD D and Professor B Talking About Noise", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], 14, 23 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D; Networks were trained with noise. Professor B said the noise was different.", "title": "PhD D and Professor B Talking About Noise", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], 14, 23 ] } ], "source": [ "PhD D : Well , For {disfmarker} for the Italian part I mean the {pause} uh {pause} the um {pause} networks are trained with noise from {pause} Aurora {disfmarker} TI - digits ,", "PhD E : Aurora - two .", "PhD D : mmm .", "Professor B : And the noise is different in th", "PhD D : Yeah . And perhaps the noise are {pause} quite different from the noises {pause} in the speech that Italian .", "Professor B : Do we have any um {pause} test sets {pause} uh in {pause} any other language that um have the same noise as in {pause} the Aurora ?", "PhD D : And {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mmm , no .", "PhD D : No .", "PhD A : Can I ask something real quick ? In {disfmarker} in the upper part {disfmarker} {pause} in the English {pause} stuff , {pause} it looks like the very best number is sixty point nine ? and that 's in the uh {disfmarker} {pause} the third {pause} section in the upper part under PLP JRASTA , sort of the middle column ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : I is that {pause} a noisy condition ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : So that 's matched training ? Is that what that is ?", "PhD D : It 's {disfmarker} no , the third part , so it 's uh {pause} highly mismatched . So . Training and {pause} test noise are different .", "PhD A : So {disfmarker} why do you get your best number in {disfmarker} Wouldn't you get your best number in the clean case ?", "PhD C : Well , it 's relative to the um {pause} baseline mismatching", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Ah ,", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD A : OK so these are not {disfmarker} OK , alright , I see .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD A : OK . And then {disfmarker} so , in the {disfmarker} in the um {disfmarker} {pause} in the {pause} non - mismatched clean case , {pause} your best one was under MFCC ? That sixty - one point four ?", "PhD D : Yeah . {pause} But it 's not a clean case . It 's {pause} a noisy case but {pause} uh training and test noises are the same .", "PhD A : Oh ! So this upper third ?", "PhD D : So {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD A : Uh that 's still noisy ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Ah , OK .", "PhD D : So it 's always noisy basically ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : and , {pause} well , the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : I see .", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : OK ? Um {pause} So uh , I think this will take some {pause} looking at , thinking about . But , {pause} what is uh {disfmarker} what is currently running , that 's {disfmarker} uh , i that {disfmarker} just filling in the holes here or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} ? {comment} {pause} pretty much ?", "PhD D : Uh , no we don't plan to fill the holes", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD D : but {pause} actually there is something important , is that {pause} um we made a lot of assumption concerning the on - line normalization and we just noticed {pause} uh recently that {pause} uh the {pause} approach that we were using {pause} was not {pause} uh {pause} leading to very good results {pause} when we {pause} used the straight features to HTK . Um {pause} {pause} Mmm . So basically d {pause} if you look at the {disfmarker} at the left of the table , {pause} the first uh row , {pause} with eighty - six , one hundred , and forty - three and seventy - five , these are the results we obtained for Italian {pause} uh with {pause} straight {pause} mmm , PLP features {pause} using on - line normalization .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Mmm . And the , mmm {disfmarker} what 's {pause} in the table , just {pause} at the left of the PLP twelve {pause} on - line normalization column , so , the numbers seventy - nine , fifty - four and {pause} uh forty - two {pause} are the results obtained by uh Pratibha with {pause} uh his on - line normalization {disfmarker} uh her on - line normalization approach .", "PhD A : Where is that ? seventy - nine , fifty", "Professor B : Uh , it 's just sort of sitting right on the uh {disfmarker} the column line .", "PhD D : So .", "PhD E : Fifty - one ? This {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Oh I see , OK .", "Professor B : Uh . {pause} Yeah .", "PhD D : Just {disfmarker} uh Yeah . So these are the results of {pause} OGI with {pause} on - line normalization and straight features to HTK . And the previous result , eighty - six and so on , {pause} are with our {pause} features straight to HTK .", "Professor B : Yes . Yes .", "PhD D : So {pause} what we see that {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} there is that um {pause} uh the way we were doing this was not correct , but {pause} still {pause} the networks {pause} are very good . When we use the networks {pause} our number are better that {pause} uh Pratibha results .", "PhD E : We improve .", "Professor B : So , do you know what was wrong with the on - line normalization , or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : Yeah . There were diff there were different things and {pause} basically , {pause} the first thing is the mmm , {pause} alpha uh {pause} value . So , the recursion {pause} uh {pause} part . um , {pause} I used point five percent , {pause} which was the default value in the {disfmarker} {pause} in the programs here . And Pratibha used five percent .", "Professor B : Uh", "PhD D : So it adapts more {pause} quickly", "Professor B : Yes . Yeah .", "PhD D : Um , but , yeah . I assume that this was not important because {pause} uh previous results from {disfmarker} from Dan and {disfmarker} show that basically {pause} the {pause} both {disfmarker} both values g give the same {disfmarker} same {pause} uh results . It was true on uh {pause} TI - digits but it 's not true on Italian .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Uh , second thing is the initialization of the {pause} stuff . Actually , {pause} uh what we were doing is to start the recursion from the beginning of the {pause} utterance . And using initial values that are the global mean and variances {pause} measured across the whole database .", "Professor B : Right . Right .", "PhD D : And Pratibha did something different is that he {disfmarker} uh she initialed the um values of the mean and variance {pause} by computing {pause} this on the {pause} twenty - five first frames of each utterance . Mmm . There were other minor differences , the fact that {pause} she used fifteen dissities instead s instead of thirteen , and that she used C - zero instead of log energy . Uh , but the main differences concerns the recursion . So . {pause} Uh , I changed the code uh and now we have a baseline that 's similar to the OGI baseline .", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD D : We {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it 's slightly {pause} uh different because {pause} I don't exactly initialize the same way she does . Actually I start , {pause} mmm , I don't wait to a fifteen {disfmarker} twenty - five {disfmarker} twenty - five frames {pause} before computing a mean and the variance {pause} to e to {disfmarker} to start the recursion .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I use the on - line scheme and only start the re recursion after the twenty - five {disfmarker} {pause} twenty - fifth frame . But , well it 's similar . So {pause} uh I retrained {pause} the networks with {pause} these {disfmarker} well , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the networks are retaining with these new {pause} features .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : And , yeah .", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD D : So basically what I expect is that {pause} these numbers will a little bit go down but {pause} perhaps not {disfmarker} not so much", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : because {pause} I think the neural networks learn perhaps {pause} to {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : even if the features are not {pause} normalized . It {disfmarker} it will learn how to normalize and {disfmarker}", "Professor B : OK , but I think that {pause} given the pressure of time we probably want to draw {disfmarker} because of that {pause} especially , we wanna draw some conclusions from this , do some reductions {pause} in what we 're looking at ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : and make some strong decisions for what we 're gonna do testing on before next week . So do you {disfmarker} are you {disfmarker} w did you have something going on , on the side , with uh multi - band {pause} or {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on this ,", "PhD D : Yeah {vocalsound} I", "Professor B : or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : No , I {disfmarker} we plan to start this uh so , act actually we have discussed uh {pause} @ @ um , these {disfmarker} what we could do {pause} more as a {disfmarker} as a research and {disfmarker} {pause} and {pause} we were thinking perhaps that {pause} uh {pause} the way we use the tandem is not {disfmarker} Uh , well , there is basically perhaps a flaw in the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} the stuff because {pause} we {pause} trained the networks {disfmarker} If we trained the networks on the {disfmarker} on {pause} a language and a t or a specific {pause} task ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : um , what we ask is {disfmarker} to the network {disfmarker} is to put the bound the decision boundaries somewhere in the space .", "Professor B : Mmm .", "PhD D : And uh {pause} mmm and ask the network to put one , {pause} at one side of the {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for a particular phoneme at one side of the boundary {disfmarker} decision boundary and one for another phoneme at the other side . And {pause} so there is kind of reduction of the information there that 's not correct because if we change task {pause} and if the phonemes are not in the same context in the new task , {pause} obviously the {pause} decision boundaries are not {disfmarker} {pause} should not be at the same {pause} place .", "Professor B : I di", "PhD D : But the way the feature gives {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the way the network gives the features is that it reduce completely the {disfmarker} {pause} it removes completely the information {disfmarker} {pause} a lot of information from the {disfmarker} the features {pause} by uh {pause} uh {pause} placing the decision boundaries at {pause} optimal places for {pause} one kind of {pause} data but {pause} this is not the case for another kind of data .", "Professor B : It 's a trade - off ,", "PhD D : So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : right ? Any - anyway go ahead .", "PhD D : Yeah . So uh what we were thinking about is perhaps {pause} um one way {pause} to solve this problem is increase the number of {pause} outputs of the neural networks . Doing something like , um {pause} um phonemes within context and , well , basically context dependent phonemes .", "Professor B : Maybe . I mean , I {disfmarker} I think {pause} you could make {pause} the same argument , it 'd be just as legitimate , {pause} for hybrid systems {pause} as well . Right .", "PhD D : Yeah but , we know that {disfmarker}", "Professor B : And in fact , {pause} th things get better with context dependent {pause} versions . Right ?", "PhD D : Ye - yeah but here it 's something different . We want to have features", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : uh well , {pause} um .", "Professor B : Yeah , but it 's still true {pause} that what you 're doing {pause} is you 're ignoring {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're coming up with something to represent , {pause} whether it 's a distribution , {pause} probability distribution or features , you 're coming up with a set of variables {pause} that are representing {pause} uh , {pause} things that vary w over context .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Uh , and you 're {pause} putting it all together , ignoring the differences in context . That {disfmarker} that 's true {pause} for the hybrid system , it 's true for a tandem system . So , for that reason , when you {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in a hybrid system , {pause} when you incorporate context one way or another , {pause} you do get better scores .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK ? But I {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's a big deal {pause} to get that . I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sort of {disfmarker} And once you {disfmarker} the other thing is that once you represent {disfmarker} start representing more and more context {pause} it is {pause} uh {pause} much more {pause} um specific {pause} to a particular task in language . So um Uh , the {disfmarker} {pause} the acoustics associated with {pause} uh a particular context , for instance you may have some kinds of contexts that will never occur {pause} in one language and will occur frequently in the other , so the qu the issue of getting enough training {pause} for a particular kind of context becomes harder . We already actually don't have a huge amount of training data um", "PhD D : Yeah , but {disfmarker} mmm , I mean , {pause} the {disfmarker} the way we {disfmarker} we do it now is that we have a neural network and {pause} basically {pause} the net network is trained almost to give binary decisions .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : And {pause} uh {disfmarker} binary decisions about phonemes . Nnn {disfmarker} Uh It 's {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Almost . But I mean it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it does give a distribution .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : It 's {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {pause} it is true that if there 's two phones that are very similar , {pause} that {pause} uh {pause} the {disfmarker} {pause} i it may prefer one but it will {pause} give a reasonably high value to the other , too .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah , sure but uh {pause} So basically it 's almost binary decisions and {pause} um the idea of using more {pause} classes is {pause} to {pause} get something that 's {pause} less binary decisions .", "Professor B : Oh no , but it would still be even more of a binary decision . It {disfmarker} it 'd be even more of one . Because then you would say {pause} that in {disfmarker} that this phone in this context is a one , {pause} but the same phone in a slightly different context is a zero .", "PhD D : But {disfmarker} yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Professor B : That would be even {disfmarker} even more distinct of a binary decision . I actually would have thought you 'd wanna go the other way and have fewer classes .", "PhD D : Yeah , but if {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh , I mean for instance , the {disfmarker} the thing I was arguing for before , but again which I don't think we have time to try , {pause} is something in which you would modify the code so you could train to have several outputs on and use articulatory features", "PhD D : Mmm . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : cuz then that would {disfmarker} that would go {disfmarker} {pause} that would be much broader and cover many different situations . But if you go to very very fine categories , it 's very {pause} binary .", "PhD D : Mmm . Yeah , but I think {disfmarker} Yeah , perhaps you 're right , but you have more classes so {pause} you {disfmarker} you have more information in your features . So , {vocalsound} Um {pause} You have more information in the {pause} uh", "Professor B : Mm - hmm . True .", "PhD D : posteriors vector um which means that {disfmarker} But still the information is relevant", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : because it 's {disfmarker} it 's information that helps to discriminate ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : if it 's possible to be able to discriminate {pause} among the phonemes in context .", "Professor B : Well it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} {pause} it 's an interesting thought .", "PhD D : But the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : I mean we {disfmarker} we could disagree about it at length", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : but the {disfmarker} the real thing is if you 're interested in it you 'll probably try it", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : and {disfmarker} {pause} and {pause} we 'll see . But {disfmarker} but what I 'm more concerned with now , as an operational level , is {pause} uh , you know ,", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : what do we do in four or five days ? Uh , and {disfmarker} {pause} so we have {pause} to be concerned {pause} with Are we gonna look at any combinations of things , you know once the nets get retrained so you have this problem out of it .", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : Um , are we going to look at {pause} multi - band ? Are we gonna look at combinations of things ? Uh , what questions are we gonna ask , uh now that , I mean , {pause} we should probably turn shortly to this O G I note . Um , how are we going to {pause} combine {pause} with what they 've been focusing on ? Uh , {pause} Uh we haven't been doing any of the L D A RASTA sort of thing .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And they , although they don't talk about it in this note , um , {pause} there 's um , {pause} the issue of the {pause} um Mu law {pause} business {pause} uh {pause} versus the logarithm , um , {pause} so .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So what i what is going on right now ? What 's right {disfmarker} you 've got {pause} nets retraining , Are there {disfmarker} is there {disfmarker} are there any H T K {pause} trainings {disfmarker} testings going on ?", "PhD D : N", "PhD E : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm trying the HTK with eh , {pause} PLP twelve on - line delta - delta and MSG filter {pause} together .", "Professor B : The combination , I see .", "PhD E : The combination , yeah . But I haven't result {vocalsound} at this moment .", "Professor B : MSG and {disfmarker} and PLP .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : And is this with the revised {pause} on - line normalization ?", "PhD E : Ye - Uh , with the old {pause} older ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Old one . So it 's using all the nets for that", "PhD E : yeah .", "Professor B : but again we have the hope that it {disfmarker} {pause} We have the hope that it {disfmarker} {pause} maybe it 's not making too much difference ,", "PhD E : Yeah . But {pause} We can know soon .", "Professor B : but {disfmarker} but", "PhD E : Maybe .", "Professor B : yeah .", "PhD E : I don't know .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh , OK .", "PhD D : Uh so there is this combination , yeah . Working on combination obviously .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Um , I will start work on multi - band . And {pause} we {pause} plan to work also on the idea of using both {pause} features {pause} and net outputs .", "PhD E :" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 50, 79 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prosecution , defence removal", "speaker": "Barry Hughes , Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM asked about the possible changes that prosecution would suffer if the defence was removed, in terms of burden of proof, financial implications, and numbers of cases. Barry Hughes answered that if the legislation went through, there was no change to the burden of proof, that nothing would impact their performance as the public prosecution service, not financial changes were expected and that for prosecution, the number of cases would be very small, but there wouldn't be fewer than there were at the time.", "title": "Barry Hughes' and Suzy Davies' View on Prosecution after Defence Removal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 4 ], [ 17, 18 ], [ 20, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "prosecution , defence removal", "speaker": "Barry Hughes , Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM asked how the burden of proof was going to work if this defence was removed and if it was something the prosecution would still have to prove, Barry Hughes answered that there was no change to the burden of proof because it didn't alter the basic responsibility of the prosecution, which was to establish its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Barry Hughes said nothing would impact their performance as the public prosecution service if the legislation went through. Suzy Davies AM inquired whether CPS was anticipating hundreds and hundreds of cases, Barry Hughes answered that for prosecution the numbers would be very small, but there wouldn't be fewer than there were presently.", "title": "Barry Hughes' and Suzy Davies' View on Prosecution after Defence Removal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 4 ], [ 17, 18 ], [ 20, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cps guidelines", "speaker": "Barry Hughes , Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "During the meeting, Barry Hughes and Suzy Davies AM discussed the role of the CPS and the need for the application of the changes in the CPS guidelines. Suzy Davies AM said that talking about CPS guidelines would mean the case had advanced, and asked if there was a way to prevent cases coming that far. Barry Hughes answered it was not possible for the CPS, as that was a matter for the police. Suzy Davies AM agreed and asked if by 2022 the changes to the CPS guidelines would be good to go, and Barry Hughes affirmed.", "title": "Barry Hughes' and Suzy Davies' View on the CPS Guidelines", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 9 ], [ 12, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cps guidelines", "speaker": "Barry Hughes , Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "The role of the CPS establishing if a case was beyond a reasonable doubt was discussed. Suzy Davies AM stated that talking about CPS guidelines would mean the case have come some distance down the process and asked if there was a way to prevent cases coming that far. Barry Hughes answered it was not possible from the perspective of the CPS because that was a matter for the police. Suzy Davies AM agreed and asked Barry Hughes if by 2022 the changes to the CPS guidelines would be good to go, Barry Hughes confirmed it.", "title": "Barry Hughes' and Suzy Davies' View on the CPS Guidelines", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 9 ], [ 12, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "police , CPS jurisdictions", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that CPS, unlike in many other jurisdictions, had no power to direct the police, so the prevention of arrests and consequent records was a matter for the police. Barry Hughes spoke with Matt Jukes from South Wales Police, and concluded that CPS may have more referrals from the police after the legislation. Barry Hughes said CPS and the police had a frank discussion regarding how to proceed with some cases, and that they pretended to discuss again two years after the legislation came to see how they were doing.", "title": "Police and CPS Roles According to Barry Hughes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 10 ], 20 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "police , CPS jurisdictions", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that to prevent cases even coming as far as arrest was a matter for the police, because unlike in many other jurisdictions, CPS had no power to direct the police, and that CPS was going to need to maintain a clear record of any cases that were referred from the police. Barry Hughes stated, after speaking with Matt Jukes from South Wales Police, that CPS may have more referrals from the police, but still talking small numbers. Barry Hughes said CPS involved the police in a very frank discussion, and, two years down the road after the legislation came, CPS might sit in a room with the police and interested parties to have a discussion about how they were doing.", "title": "Police and CPS Roles According to Barry Hughes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 10 ], 20 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reasonable chastisement", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughs discussed some consequences in case the defence of reasonable chastisement was removed, saying that it didn't affect the basic responsibility of the prosecution to establish a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Barry Hughs explained that the England-and-Wales wide system worked by putting flags during the case management, and indicated that reasonable chastisement was a very specific flag for assault on a child, which was best managed by dealing with just a few cases.", "title": "Barry Hughes' View on Reasonable Chastisement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], 20 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "reasonable chastisement", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughs said that the removal of the defence of reasonable chastisement didn't alter the basic responsibility of the prosecution, and mentioned that reasonable chastisement was a very specific flag for assault on a child in the England-and-Wales system.", "title": "Barry Hughes' View on Reasonable Chastisement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], 20 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : We've got some specific questions around implementation now from Suzy Davies.", "Suzy Davies AM : Thank you. Can I just begin by asking you to help the committee out here in understanding how the burden of proof is going to work if this defence is removed? Because the issue of whether something is punishment or not is going to disappear, providing that it's clear that contact with a child has happened. Is that going to work on the presumption that that's an unlawful contact? Is that something the prosecution will still have to prove, or will it be for an accused parent to say, to use your example, 'I was just dragging them out of the traffic or stopping them putting their hands in the fire'?", "Barry Hughes : I understand your point. There's no change whatsoever to the burden of proof, nor to the standard of proof.", "Suzy Davies AM : Perhaps you can run us through it quickly.", "Barry Hughes : If the defence argue that that act was\u2014. So, we have to show that there's been an unlawful assault. So, if we remove the defence of reasonable chastisement, in a sense that alters some things but it doesn't alter the basic responsibility of the prosecution, which is to establish its case beyond a reasonable doubt. And if the defence raise an argument and say, 'Well, look, that was a lawful act; I was only doing what I thought was reasonable in the circumstances', it's for the Crown to disprove that.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. That's great.", "Barry Hughes : And we've got to disprove that to the criminal standard, which is beyond a reasonable doubt. So, you can certainly see\u2014. I can see the potential for individuals who feel strongly about this to look to contest the matter, to not admit any wrongdoing at all and to take the matter to trial, and it would be our responsibility to disprove that.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. That's really helpful for us to understand that. Obviously, when we're talking about CPS guidelines and all the rest, we've already come some distance down the process, haven't we? Have you got any views on what might be done to prevent cases even coming as far as arrest? Because one of the things that we have to consider is that once you're arrested, that is recorded somewhere and will appear in things like DBS checks in the future, even if it goes no further. Do you have any views on how intervention might work better earlier on, even at the point of the knock at the door?", "Barry Hughes : From the perspective of the CPS, I'm not sure I can help you there.", "Suzy Davies AM : That's fine. I was expecting that answer.", "Barry Hughes : Simply because that's a matter for the police. Unlike in many other jurisdictions, we have no power whatsoever to direct the police, so if the police decide not to investigate\u2014. I routinely get letters from members of the public outraged that the police have decided not to investigate their particular neighbour dispute or something, and they want us to do something about it and we can't. We can't direct the police.", "Suzy Davies AM : Thank you for that, because I thought that was important to get on the record as well. We're looking at a period of a couple of years after this Act passes\u2014if it does\u2014for implementation. Is there anything at the moment that you think perhaps you still need to do as an organisation towards being in a position to practically implement this law?", "Barry Hughes : I think we need to maintain the type of dialogue that we've built up with the Welsh Government and colleagues there. I think we need to keep abreast of things as they move forward. We need involvement\u2014Iwan, for example, and the strategic implementation group. We have other members of my staff who are involved in the other work streams that feed through to that, and I believe that that involvement will ensure that we are sufficiently interconnected; that we can liaise, in turn, with Kwame and his colleagues in the headquarters to respond to things as they develop. So, I think we've got a network of contacts built up here that is adequate for the purpose\u2014at least, 'adequate' might sound a little\u2014", "Suzy Davies AM : Sufficient.", "Barry Hughes : Yes, perfectly sufficient.", "Suzy Davies AM : So, you're confident, by 2022, then, that you'll have changes to the CPS guidelines that are good to go, if you like.", "Barry Hughes : Fit for purpose, yes.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes. Okay, that's great. Bear with me a second\u2014thank you very much\u2014in your written evidence, you did welcome the indication from the Welsh Government that this reasonable period after Royal Assent would be necessary. Apart from the CPS guideline changes, which you'll be working through, is there anything else you think you might be needing to do apart from just keeping in touch? I'm just thinking: are there any practical and possibly financial implications for your workforce in this?", "Barry Hughes : If this legislation goes through, there will be minor financial consequences for us and I don't see any significant financial consequences in the period between now and the Bill becoming law other than the time of ourselves in discussing this today. But there isn't anything significant. There's nothing that will impact upon our performance as the public prosecution service in that time.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. And what about afterwards, then? Because one of the pieces of thinking behind this Act is to collect data to see whether this change in the law actually works. Do you want to talk us through a little bit about how that might affect you? I don't know who to ask on this.", "Barry Hughes : Certainly. Well, I think that we are going to need to maintain a clear record of any cases that are referred to the CPS from the police and that will\u2014. Normally, we do this through our case management system, which is England-and-Wales wide, and you'd put a flag on. So, for example, domestic abuse, there's a flag for that, and assault on a child, there's a flag for that. But this would be a very specific flag for assault on a child\u2014reasonable chastisement. Trying to get that through on a system that covers all of England and Wales\u2014it's quite expensive, unbelievably; it wouldn't happen. So, we would keep a manual log of every referral. That would be unmanageable if we were dealing with hundreds and hundreds of cases.", "Suzy Davies AM : So, you're not anticipating hundreds and hundreds.", "Barry Hughes : Not at all. Not at all. My take on it: I've seen and spoken with Matt Jukes about this, from South Wales Police; I have seen the justice impact assessment; I've seen the research that's been fed through from New Zealand; and I've seen our own response to a freedom of information request and the papers that the CPS put into the review that you mentioned earlier in 2007. I would be very surprised if we were to prosecute anything other than low single figures a year, if that much. If that much. We may have more referrals from the police, but I doubt it would be double the figure we prosecute, even. So, you're talking small numbers. Now, small numbers\u2014and we might not have any. Okay? It depends. Obviously, if there's a really good awareness-raising campaign, you make it less likely. And, for us, prosecution\u2014it's not the first port of call here at all. There are out-of-court disposals and there are all sorts of diversions that you will have discussed, and I know you've discussed, with the police and the police and crime commissioner. So, the numbers will be very small, which means we would be able to keep a clear track on those and, obviously, we would wish to keep the situation under review, and we'd reach a period of time after whatever\u201412, 18 months, maybe 24 months\u2014where we'd look back to see how we are doing. And I'd like to think that we will be doing that in consultation with interested parties and stakeholders. We do this already with certain types of offences. We have what we call local scrutiny involvement panels. So, for offences such as racially aggravated offending, whether it's criminal damage or offence against the person, we will bring together interested parties, by which I mean people from outside the CPS, quite often third sector agencies that represent vulnerable groups. We'd bring them in and look through the cases. So, we open our books, show them our cases, and we have a very frank discussion. We involve the police in that as well. That, in turn, helps us shape and improve the way that we prosecute these cases and I can foresee that, after this legislation came in, we might get 18 months, two years down the road, and I can see us sitting in a room with some of the cases we've prosecuted, maybe cases we've decided not to prosecute, with the police and interested parties from both sides, to have a discussion about how we're doing with it all. And I'd like to think that the Welsh Government would be involved in that as well.", "Suzy Davies AM : That's really helpful to know because, of course, one of the difficulties of dealing with the culture change, which is what the Minister's effectively after here, is that we are still talking about it in the context of criminal legislation. It's nobody's fault; that's just how it is. And what I'm hearing from you is that the chances of somebody who's currently protected by the defence and is not part of a bigger case where there's serial smacking or other difficulties in a family, for example\u2014the chances of them getting to you in the first place are pretty low, and then the chances of them passing even the current public interest tests are pretty low. In which case, my question is: why are we bothering with this law rather than concentrating on a new piece of law, possibly through the civil system, which would achieve the culture change better? Maybe that's not a question you feel that you can answer, but you can see why I'm asking the question.", "Barry Hughes : I can attempt an answer. I follow entirely where you're going. I agree, the chances are pretty low, but they're greater than they are presently. In other words, there is a greater degree of protection for children, and I think the value that would derive from this legislation is the message that it sends out. I go back to what I was saying to you right at the start, about the evolution of the law, and the way we've seen many other countries around the world adopt a very similar approach to that being proposed by the Welsh Government is, in my view, an evolution of the law. So, yes, there may not be many more prosecutions, but there won't be fewer than there are presently, because there's a greater degree of protection for children.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay, that's really helpful, thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Before we move on, can I just ask\u2014? The Children Act 2004 applies to a child up to the age of 18\u2014", "Barry Hughes : Sixteen.", "Lynne Neagle AM : You mentioned 16; that's what I wanted to clarify. Our understanding was that it went up to 18.", "Barry Hughes : I'm reasonably confident that it's 16.FootnoteLink" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 49, "turns": [ 58, 75 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "use convenience", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User interface emphasized the importance of ease of use over a fancy look saying the user should not have to learn how to use the remote and that the frequently used buttons should be big in size placed such that they would be easily accessed and the shape should be easily taken in the hand, should not consume lots of energy. Speech recognition could be added to it with an option to be asleep in the absence of sound to preserve power.", "title": "Description of Ease of Use", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "use convenience", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "According to User Interface, the feature easy to use should be prioritized over being fancy. The easy to use feature could be achieved by making frequently use buttons larger, placing them in the middle of the remote control, making the shape have a round edge, limiting the amount of energy it consumes, covering these buttons which aren't used, and just putting volume change or channel change buttons in the remote control. And if the user needed to do some more complex task he opens the cover and then changes settings or something like this. The usage of speech recognition could be good and though it consumes lots of energy, it could be made in a way that it slept in the absence of sound and when it detected some sound it may consume less energy.", "title": "Description of Ease of Use", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "young people", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed speech recognizer as a personal preference because it would be a new thing and attractive to young people since young people like new things and would rather buy from a famous company in the absence of a new feature.", "title": "Speech Recognition Option", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "young people", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "The speech recognition feature was a personal preference for User Interface. Even though the feature would ordinarily consume a lot of power, User Interface suggested making it fall asleep when there was no sound and come back on upon the detection of sound which would preserve energy. The speech recognizer was also a good idea because it would be something new and be attractive to young people who always seek new things. This feature would stand the product out and be a worthy alternative and competition to products coming from famous companies.", "title": "Speech Recognition Option", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Uh yeah . Okay . {gap} Okay . So I am going to talk about {disfmarker} a little bit about how this remote control should be appear to be more easy to use . I think uh I think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy , but okay , we can discuss about it uh later . Um {vocalsound} generally , generally uh this remote control uh uh should be should be something , in my opinion , uh the first feature is just to be easy to use . So , the more frequent buttons should be larger , they should be placed in a good position uh uh inside the remote control . And uh s uh I can conclude like this , that we shouldn't need to learn how to use it . It should be {disfmarker} we shouldn't need to es open a a t book and uh start reading and uh learning how to use this uh this uh remote control . {vocalsound} Okay . So what I found out that uh as I said uh I think it's better to put uh more frequent uh uh uh ke uh buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control , and they should be bigger in size . Uh the shape of remote control should be in a way which can {disfmarker} which should be taken easily in hand . It should not be completely like uh a cube . It should be it should have round edge , so uh then it's easier .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly .", "User Interface : And maybe uh just like some toys , some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand . And uh also f uh uh m because because customers doesn't like to buy lots of battery , it should not uh consume lots of energy . Okay . And my personal p uh preference is uh , as I said , uh just putting this buttons in a special places and covered some buttons which are not used uh that much like settings button , like mobile phone . Usually some mobile phone cover the dialling number part , so we can cover these buttons which are not used or uh number buttons for the for the for the can channels , and just put uh volume change or s ch can uh channel change buttons uh uh in the remote control . And if the user needed to do some more complex task uh he he can open the cover and then change settings or something like this . Uh . And also uh I think if we put some some some some some buttons inside of the remote control it can be used easier . Not on remote control . I dunno if I can explain well . But uh just inside . For example , a sliding or rolling uh uh d uh stuff , if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with uh thumb . So it can be another uh preference . And uh I dunno but uh I think usage of a speech recogn uh r recogniser can be good . I know that it consumes lots of energy , but if we do it in some way that it asleeps when there is no sound and when it detects some sound it may consume less energy . And I think it's good because it's something new and usually young people like something new . So it may not be very useful but because it's new , people may buy it . Uh I personally think there should be a big difference between uh between something . Otherwise they prefer to buy something which is coming from a famous company , or . Okay . That's mine .", "Project Manager : Okay . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Uh okay , so good news from me uh uh for me from Hamed , but bad news from Bob obviously , because spongy design , I don't like it as {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so could you please , Fabien , open it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'm person two . And which one , uh probably the first one . I'm not sure but check the first one . I {disfmarker} Most of the things I have to write myself on the board , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : This one , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's it . Just {disfmarker} It's only this slide ? Yeah . This this is just uh one thing I wanted to mention and show you that I just uh I just found this , that our company uh developed a s a seven f seven fingers or I'll just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Inch .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , seven seven inch T_ {disfmarker} T_F_T_ screen , which is good news for us , since we wanted to include a display there . Uh so I I probably draw it down raw scheme .", "Project Manager : Oh , {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : This is this is the stuff that I can use to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oops ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 11, "turns": [ 43, 46 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "consistency , pattern", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM emphasized the desire to have a better consistency on early education but also acknowledged the reasons for the variation. There were different patterns on the actual provided time but quality and its delivery were still assured. An independent evaluation would be conducted. Facilities were also visualized to be developed soon.", "title": "Childhood Education and Care Variance Throughout Wales", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "consistency , pattern", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM emphasized the desire to have a greater degree of consistency on early education. This was the Minister of Education's responsibility. Different local authorities had adopted different patterns. There were a variance on how much was actually provided against the 10-hour minimum of the foundation phase for three and four-years old children across Wales. The quality and provided delivery were very good. Its offered terms varied throughout Wales. An independent evaluation was to be conducted. Flying Start, which was geographically targeted, would use data from income benefit to decide on would-be delivered areas. The local authorities' role in all this was absolutely crucial since these were the local people who decided on things in their areas. Facilities were hoped to be developed in each local authority throughout Wales.", "title": "Child Care and Education Pattern and Plan Throughout Wales", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. I've got some questions now from Janet Finch-Saunders.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you, Chair. What is the Welsh Government doing to address the big differences in the amount of early childhood education and care provision available in different parts of Wales?", "Julie Morgan AM : Right. Well, thank you very much for that question. I mean, obviously, it would be good to see a greater degree of consistency, but I think it's important to acknowledge that there are reasons for that variation. Now, early education, of course, is the responsibility of the Minister for Education, and we are aware that different local authorities have adopted different patterns of providing early education. For example, local authorities are funded to provide 10 hours minimum of the foundation phase for three and four-year-olds across Wales, but there's quite a variance in how much is actually provided, with some local authorities providing a lot more historically. So, it does mean that there is a different pattern across Wales, according to what local authorities do. But what I could say is, of course, the quality is very good, as the Estyn reports have shown; that the quality provided, the delivery of the foundation phase, is very good. But it does vary in terms of what is offered throughout Wales, and that is the decision of the local authorities, and it is a historical thing. I refer to this pilot in Flint, which is trying to test paying the same rate for foundation phase and childcare. We're going to have an independent evaluation on that soon, in November this year, so that will help us. Obviously, I think local authorities' role in all this is absolutely crucial because they are the local, nearest people to decide how things develop in their own areas. And then, of course, we've got Flying Start, which is geographically targeted, which uses the data from income benefit to decide which are the areas where that is being delivered. And that is delivered where the highest proportion of children aged nought to three are living in income-dependent households. So, again, that determines the pattern throughout Wales. With Flying Start being geographically targeted, with the education being determined by the local authorities about how much there is, we know that there is a variance throughout Wales. We'd like to see facilities developed in each local authority throughout Wales that would answer the needs of the families and the children in those areas.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Before you move on, Janet, Si\u00e2n's got a supplementary." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 265, 323 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spongy , chip", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer expressed certainty about which chip imprint to be going to use but was not particular about whether the case was spongy and the shape was banana or not.", "title": "Certain and Uncertain Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "spongy , chip", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said, the chip imprint to be used has been decided, for the case, it could be spongy banana or not.", "title": "Certain and Uncertain Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button , spongy , wheel", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface highlighted that the buttons and wheel should be spongy and that they should be placed in such a way that would ease use by everyone regardless of which hand they use.", "title": "Buttons and Wheel Positions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 16 ], [ 29, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button , spongy , wheel", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface mentioned that the buttons and the wheel had to be of the same materials. User Interface also said they wanted it to be good also for the left-hand users and the buttons had to be here and the wheel has to be. but if people held with the left hand, and the wheel and the buttons stayed here, then when people turned it around the buttons should be on the other side.", "title": "Buttons and Wheel Positions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 16 ], [ 29, 50 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : I think it {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} One second . So we have to take some decision on this aspect . So , uh so for {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : sorry , for uh component , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : we have to think about those aspects , sorry .", "Industrial Designer : So we will just use a a standard battery ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And uh the chip we {disfmarker} chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going to use . Uh what do you mean by case ?", "Project Manager : I think it's the box that should be spongy , banana's shape .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Uh I mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case , doesn't matter .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box , and that's it .", "User Interface : The only th Yeah . Y Yeah that can be in inside th in the structure .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : But uh the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Spongy also .", "User Interface : I mean if it's spongy then the buttons and the wheel have to {disfmarker} I mean if it's spongy then it's going to move , right ? So , it's going to be bend a lot .", "Project Manager : But {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh no I think it's possible .", "User Interface : So if we try to push the buttons , it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No the button would be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You think it's possible ?", "Project Manager : In fact it it should be something odd shaped , with a spongy cover .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : . This is uh like the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay odd shape with spongy {disfmarker} cover . And standard battery okay , a chip imprint , there's no specific problem . So we agree to put the wheel {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Wheel on the top . Button , where do we want some buttons ?", "User Interface : Well , usually hold {disfmarker} {vocalsound} 'Kay , we want it to be good also for the left-hand users , right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So it have to {disfmarker} it has to be symmetrical .", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah but okay . Sa let's say that th o {vocalsound} It has to be {disfmarker} basically you can only take two sides , one on ths this side where is the thumb and the other side where there is uh yeah also the thumb .", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Basically . Or you could use use this one , but I don't know if it's very comfortable , to use this one for the wheel .", "Project Manager : Yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable .", "User Interface : This for the wheel and then this for the buttons ?", "Project Manager : Yeah I think it's okay for both right and left . Mm .", "User Interface : Should have the two sides .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So if {gap} the left , we have {disfmarker} the op", "Project Manager : I think you can turn it this way also . You can do both with both hands .", "User Interface : Wheel {disfmarker} Wheel buttons .", "Project Manager : I think it's okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , the problem is if you have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around , the buttons are on the other side . So you cannot see them .", "Project Manager : Well , you you will get used to it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And moreover , th the button ar are lighted so you you immediately identify the right side , because you have light on buttons .", "User Interface : So the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be {disfmarker} Y Yeah I know , but uh if you hold with your left hand , and the wheel is here , and the buttons are here , then when you turn it around the buttons will be on the other side .", "Project Manager : Yeah . No you you {disfmarker} I think you will use it only on the right or left hand , whether you are righty or lefty . I think for lefty it's okay . I can do this movement , and for righty as well . I think this doesn't change that much .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "User Interface : Okay . Maybe . Yeah .", "Project Manager : So , for interface we said also that we have uh this banana shape with button on the s on the side . And {disfmarker} and uh a wheel on the top .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So the colour is yellow . I think it's uh {disfmarker} we defined everything according to what we should {disfmarker} what the decision we should take , yeah . So maybe we can um we can uh work on those aspects uh until next meeting . So have the final uh look and feel design according to the decision . And have the the user interface design and uh then evaluate the prodyuc {disfmarker} the product . That is to say , uh check if it fit the the requirement uh given by the users , but according to uh your presentation it seems to be okay . It seems to be fancy , innovative , and easy to use ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 9, "turns": [ 6, 279 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cat", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked Industrial Designer what got drawn on the whiteboard, Industrial Designer said a fat cat.", "title": "Drawing of a Cat", "relevant_turns": [ [ 159, 165 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cat", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer drew a cat on the whiteboard as requested.", "title": "The Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 159, 165 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Animals to draw", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing drew a fat cat just like Industrial Designer did, and Marketing, Industrial Designer and User Interface discussed to draw more animals and found funny to discuss whether their paintings were good or not.", "title": "Having Fun Drawing Animals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 159, 202 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Animals to draw", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "You're going to draw; It's a cat; It's a fat cat; draw; rabbit; It is not a fat cat; hat ha rat; Can you draw uh um rabbit; A mouse is not too difficult; It's your rat; you have to draw a rat if you want a rat; only thing I can draw is like this; It's a rabbit", "title": "Fun Drawing Animals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 159, 202 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : The tool training is to try out the white board , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Maybe someone ha we have to {gap} this whiteboard ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : yeah ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Maybe you can draw your favourite animal", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and make a list of its favourite characteristics .", "Marketing : So right now ?", "Project Manager : I don't know if we have to do it now , maybe later later .", "User Interface : So yeah I think you can do it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I don't know .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} There was a step about drawing something in the in the board , I don't know .", "Marketing : Yeah , maybe should go and draw an animal .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Is it ? {vocalsound} Are we supposed to do right now ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah yeah , you try . Try first . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh right it's it's from the left to the ri {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : you think we have to do it now ?", "Industrial Designer : I d I was thinking but I n I'm not sure now . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : You can draw something which is very simple . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You want me to draw something ?", "Industrial Designer : Oh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Product manager {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Everybody {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay , let's go ,", "User Interface : Oh , maybe we should bring Kemy here .", "Project Manager : I will try .", "User Interface : Kemy is really good at drawing . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Many {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I think everybody should do it , so .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's not matter {vocalsound} So .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : You're going to draw ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh it's the same as mine .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} What's this ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} yeah . It's a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It's a cat .", "User Interface : It's a fat cat . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It is not a fat cat . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's the fat cat , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it is a {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Can you draw uh um rabbit ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh , hat ha rat .", "Marketing : A rat ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : That's difficult .", "Industrial Designer : Yes you have to draw a rat if you want a rat .", "Project Manager : No . A mouse is not too difficult .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's your rat . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mouse is okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , it's okay .", "Marketing : Yeah . Just go ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay ,", "Marketing : you you the closest to the whiteboard .", "Industrial Designer : go {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} right , but in grow , it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Jus", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : everybody has to grow {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Oh . Okay , I draw . The only thing I can draw is like this . Oh . Oh . Oh .", "Marketing : A duck .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} You love the eyes .", "User Interface : No . {vocalsound} What's this ?", "Industrial Designer : What are you {disfmarker} I don {vocalsound} no idea , so {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , that was the eyes .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : A clown .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Rabbit .", "Industrial Designer : It's a rabbit .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Pikachu . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's a rabbit .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh yeah . Bugs Bunny one .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : It's not so bad so .", "User Interface : The only thing I can draw , because it's very simple . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . I go .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {gap}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What ? Oh . So what else ? This was my favourite one ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So you don't have a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Thank you . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} A fish .", "Marketing : Right . A fish .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's a that's a fish ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , let's try to draw something .", "Project Manager : You forgot the chips .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh yeah , doesn't look so fine .", "Industrial Designer : Have to be really careful .", "Project Manager : Fish and chips . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : Ah {vocalsound} it's my turn .", "Marketing : it's your turn .", "User Interface : Oh . Okay , be careful .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So . {gap} {gap} It's ok", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Of", "User Interface : No problem , no problem .", "Industrial Designer : So , what can I draw some more ?", "Project Manager : Oh {gap} . {gap} ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap} ? No . Mm {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it's it's a se it's my priority this one . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : A person ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} No . It's a really crazy dog {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Dog . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Good .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Transfer . It's a dog in a village . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So what are you sug going to do now ? {gap}", "Marketing : I think it's done .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's done ?", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 25, "turns": [ 20, 575 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user interface design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The user interface would have three concepts in the design, a Google controller, a fancy controller, and an intelligent controller.", "title": "User Interface's Design Concepts", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 25, 28 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "user interface design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The user interface design would have three concepts, a Google controller that would make it easy to use with sophisticated functions, a fancy controller that would make the customers recognize their controller among a lot of products, and an intelligent controller with technology such as speech and gesture recognition.", "title": "User Interface's Design Concepts", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 25, 28 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "concept , intelligent controller", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed the concept of an intelligent controller with gesture recognition to attract users and prevent injuries for people using the gesture with the remote.", "title": "User Interface's Concept of Intelligent Controller", "relevant_turns": [ 25, [ 28, 37 ], 41, 43, 84 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "concept , intelligent controller", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface presented the concept of an intelligent controller to be smart with technology, such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology because it could attract a lot of users, and it could prevent injuries for people that always used the same gesture with the remote controller.", "title": "User Interface's Concept of Intelligent Controller", "relevant_turns": [ 25, [ 28, 37 ], 41, 43, 84 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disapprove , concept , intelligent controller", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager disapproved of the concept of the intelligent controller because it would be an increase in the product price, it was risky, and they were not sure if the gesture recognition would work when there was an object or if it needed to be free or how far from the TV.", "title": "Intelligent Controller's Cons", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 96, 136, [ 161, 162 ], 174, 203, 228, 231 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disapprove , concept , intelligent controller", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked how much it would cost the intelligent controller or if it would be an increase in the product price if the control would work when a family watched TV and all wanted to change the channel if gesture recognition would work when there was an object or if it needed to be free. Finally, Project Manager disapproved of the concept and said it would be better to only stay with the Google or fancy controller.", "title": "Intelligent Controller's Cons", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 96, 136, [ 161, 162 ], 174, 203, 228, 231 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "concept , design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface presented the three new concepts of the remote control design, it would be fancy and easy to use, with sophisticated functions.", "title": "User Interface's View on the Concepts and Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 25, 28 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "concept , design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the new remote would have the concept of a Google controller that would make it easy to use. User Interface wanted that customers recognized their controller's design among a lot of products in the market, but the mean feature was an intelligent controller with technology such as speech and gesture recognition.", "title": "User Interface's View on the Concepts and Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 25, 28 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "intelligent controller , voice recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the intelligent controller could be used with voice recognition or gesture recognition, also asked if people would not get bored after a while of using the voice recognition controller and if it would be able to use gestures to zap between channels like most of the people wanted.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion on Intelligent Controller", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 40 ], 58 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "intelligent controller , voice recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the intelligent controller could be used with voice recognition or gesture recognition, also asked if it would be able to use gestures to zap between channels as most people wanted.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion on Intelligent Controller", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 40 ], 58 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost , smart controller", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked how much it would cost the smart controller or if it would represent an increase in the production price.", "title": "Project Manager's Cost Analysis", "relevant_turns": [ 96, 99, 104, [ 136, 147 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost , smart controller", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked how much the smart controller would cost because of the research.", "title": "Project Manager's Cost Analysis", "relevant_turns": [ 96, 99, 104, [ 136, 147 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , gesture recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about voice recognition and realized the microphone was embedded in the controller, and also asked if it was necessary to be free without any object to use voice or gesture recognition.", "title": "Project Manager's Questions About Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 159, 163 ], 171, [ 174, 178 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , gesture recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about voice recognition and the use of gesture recognition.", "title": "Project Manager's Questions About Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 159, 163 ], 171, [ 174, 178 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "intelligent controller , voice recognition , different", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager disapproved of the concept of an intelligent controller, User Interface defended the prototype and said voice recognition was the most important feature that made it different from others and if they took it off, there were no breakthrough features in the controller.", "title": "User Interface's Defending the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 228, 232 ], 235, 240, 248, 255 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "intelligent controller , voice recognition , different", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager disapproved of an intelligent controller, User Interface said voice recognition was the most important feature that made it different from other devices.", "title": "User Interface's Defending the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 228, 232 ], 235, 240, 248, 255 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "motivation , key feature , voice recognition , speech , gesture", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface said there was not enough motivation to replace their old controller with a new one without a key feature. Marketing suggested developing a device with speech and gesture. They inferred they could put voice recognition directly on the TV without an actual remote control.", "title": "Key Feature in a New Product", "relevant_turns": [ 255, 259, 267, 276, [ 284, 289 ], [ 521, 526 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "motivation , key feature , voice recognition , speech , gesture", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface said there was no motivation to replace their old controller without a key feature, as voice recognition. Marketing suggested speech and gestures.", "title": "Key Feature in a New Product", "relevant_turns": [ 255, 259, 267, 276, [ 284, 289 ], [ 521, 526 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Mm . So uh first I will present the concept of user interface . Um there's three concepts in the user interface . So first one it's a Google controller . The second is a fancy controller . The last one is uh intelligent controller . So there are three concepts in our controller . Um n next I will explain one by one , the first is Google controller . Um , so I want the controller to be easy to use , but with sophisticated functions . So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions . Uh this is a first concept of our controller . The second concept is a fancy controller , um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive , um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products , so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute , very very g um", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : A nice one .", "User Interface : attractive . Such like this , there are several uh examples in the slides .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I'm not sure the one in the middle {vocalsound} is very attractive .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , it's very , you know", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's very big ,", "User Interface : if you're {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it . {vocalsound} Or to recognise it ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , why not . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : We'll have big discussion I suppose after that ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : so .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : So the last uh concept is intelligent . We want uh we want our controller to be smart ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : so maybe we should uh use um uh technology , such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology , so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition . Um With this advanced features we {disfmarker} I think we can attract a lot of user .", "Project Manager : Okay . Something else ?", "User Interface : Okay . No . There {disfmarker} this is the three concepts of our controller .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I just have one question , because for the intelligent controller , {vocalsound} you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition ,", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : but as the um expert told us , most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels . Do you think they will be able to use gestures ?", "User Interface : Yeah , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Because , if they do all the time the same gesture , as you said previously in the last meeting , maybe they will get injuries because of that ?", "User Interface : Y", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . Maybe .", "Project Manager : or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five , I think they will be bored after a while . You don't think so ?", "User Interface : Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button .", "Project Manager : Yeah , sure .", "User Interface : For example , if you cannot find your uh {vocalsound} controller , you can just uh {vocalsound} just just uh speak something such as , yeah , one two .", "Project Manager : I", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , {vocalsound} that's a good {disfmarker} that's a good point , so .", "Project Manager : That's true . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : One and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but suppose you got a cold . You have a mute remote controller .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : So you can use your gesture . That's no problem . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah but how how is {disfmarker} how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition ?", "Project Manager : Broken arm ?", "User Interface : For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but suppose you have a family watching T_V_ , and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time , do you think it will work ? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yep . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But this this {disfmarker} but this would never happen anyway .", "Project Manager : Why ?", "User Interface : Yeah , they cannot speak at the same time .", "Project Manager : If you have one brother and one sister", "Marketing : Yeah {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and they want to watch their favourite uh T_V_ programme ,", "Marketing : Yeah , but the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah but {vocalsound} Yeah", "User Interface : Yeah , it's very interesting . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah but this {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so .", "Industrial Designer : but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : because the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Marketing : I don't think it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : but you have the remote control , so maybe you can keep it f with you .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's right .", "Project Manager : You're not you're not obliged to share it .", "Marketing : Oh , okay , okay , you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff .", "Project Manager : Yeah , we can {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's that's the advantage of intelligent controller . Even you h you have the controller , I can {vocalsound} I can say channel three ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} it's {gap} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No .", "User Interface : so it's c come to channel three ,", "Marketing : No , but this is disadvant disadvantage .", "User Interface : I don't have to {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think it's a disadvantage .", "User Interface : It's advantage .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to", "Project Manager : Yeah , but one other question .", "Industrial Designer : manual controllers , eh .", "Project Manager : How how much will it cost ?", "Industrial Designer : No , more expensive maybe .", "User Interface : How much ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working .", "User Interface : No no we we d we we just are use um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Some some efficient .", "Marketing : Uh if you if if you use the basic {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute , we don't have to do some basic research on this field .", "Project Manager : So you think it won't cost an {disfmarker} Not a lot for us ? Or ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I think it's uh {disfmarker} because uh this technology is uh um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition , it's very {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but uh uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it's uh {disfmarker} yeah . It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built . Because then you need uh {disfmarker} I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition , for example .", "Industrial Designer : Well y y you have also the language problem ,", "User Interface : No it's uh {disfmarker} Even for the f um because the the vocabulary {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : you know when you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-mm .", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause it it have to be universal ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . I agree with uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : so .", "User Interface : The vocabulary is very small , so that's not a problem .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about is the international", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : remote control . We need something that is international . Suppose we're {disfmarker} we want to sell it in France .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : The recognition system will be able to understand French . If you want to go to England , it will be able to understand English ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so .", "User Interface : Yeah , the key , the key um the key of our {disfmarker} the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation", "Marketing : Yeah , this could be downloaded by the web maybe , or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but you know . The product {disfmarker} The pro", "User Interface : mechanism . It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese . It's r if you sell this controller in France it can recognise French .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's a very smart , it's a very smart controller maybe {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm , okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Project Manager : And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control ?", "User Interface : it's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah . But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but how will you {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller , you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world , the same one .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : If you have the language , you have to develop for each country .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Oh n Yeah , yeah tha that's why we have to do language adaptation .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but for each country you have to do one ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : because uh the for example for Se {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh really ? {vocalsound} That's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Seems to be quite complex .", "Marketing : but then w Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Comple", "User Interface : No , it's not so complex {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : we have to take care of the twelve Euros", "Project Manager : And what about voice recognition , do we have microphones ?", "Marketing : problem .", "Project Manager : And where will be they ? Do you think if we're far from television it will work ?", "User Interface : No no no it's not {disfmarker} I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone . It it just {disfmarker} the microphone is embedded in the controller .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but where is the controller ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Where is the controller ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : It's in your family , in your home . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but we're {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No , but then it's it's like this uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : here it's uh an object . But here you say you want to use i uh s technology .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah you can you can embed it uh microphone here .", "Industrial Designer : A microphone maybe .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this , if you have an object . If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free , without any object .", "Industrial Designer : To talk to the to the T_V_ maybe .", "Project Manager : You just want to interact with television .", "User Interface : Yeah yeah just {disfmarker} you just put the controller here , then you", "Industrial Designer : I if you say one , he switch to channel ,", "User Interface : you use your command", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "User Interface : and you do s your gesture .", "Project Manager : but you can lose it . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No no it's n y {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if you lose it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the T_V_ to switch to channel one .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay you {disfmarker} so you can build a kind of black box", "Industrial Designer : Devic", "Project Manager : and put it on T_V_ and just to recognize gestures and voice .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah . Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone {vocalsound} inside your remote control .", "Project Manager : Ah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : But you would still have the buttons . Or is it {disfmarker} do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition ? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons ?", "User Interface : think it {disfmarker} we should give the uh flexibility to the user and we think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay , so you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "User Interface : yeah .", "Marketing : yeah .", "User Interface : You can see {disfmarker} they can switch form one modality to another .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah , I dunno . It's a bit risky risky .", "Project Manager : I think so .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : No ,", "Project Manager : And maybe it will be quite {disfmarker}", "User Interface : that's quite inter quite attractive .", "Industrial Designer : But I think that , you know , switching from one country to to another will be a problem , so {disfmarker} although y y", "User Interface : Well , if you do language adaptation , there should be no problem . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but i i {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I dunno .", "User Interface : We should have confidence in technology . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , we should . {vocalsound} Uh .", "Project Manager : Hmm . So , what do you think ? We'll try the controllers you'd prefer .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : What ?", "Project Manager : Which kind of controller would you prefer to use , you as a remote control user ?", "Marketing : If if {disfmarker} I mean , uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price , he's happy to have recognition .", "User Interface : More features , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But if if if it like doubles uh", "Industrial Designer : I think he need a control that is very reliable ,", "Marketing : no one would would be interested .", "Industrial Designer : so .", "Project Manager : So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller . Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller ? Hmm ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Just want to have something {disfmarker} controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller , easy to use , sophisticated and fancy . You think it's possible ?", "User Interface : Yeah but if if you stick to um {disfmarker} stick to the first two parts . So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market ? There's no k features of our controller , so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . No ,", "User Interface : Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I mean {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's not really the {disfmarker} we", "Marketing : Y", "Industrial Designer : we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet , so {disfmarker} or something like that . But uh I think a user need {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller , that's a function of T_V_ . You can replace your T_V_ with a new T_V_ with internet browsing function ,", "Marketing : No ,", "User Interface : but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : but you need you need new remote controller then . Because if you wanna browse internet or , I don't know , if you wanna type something ,", "Industrial Designer : Don't have a {disfmarker} the the {disfmarker} Yeah", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : if we can send email from it .", "User Interface : But it's not the {disfmarker} only the problem {disfmarker} only the issue of controller , it's it's also the issue of the T_V_ .", "Marketing : No . No .", "Industrial Designer : Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Cause for example {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but uh we want so", "User Interface : but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it , your mobile , but you when you choose a new mobile , you choose the one with voice recognition .", "Marketing : Yeah , you wou you would {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : True .", "User Interface : the feature is not one hundred percent reliable , but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our {disfmarker} from other products .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but w we we want something th that works all the time , every day , every hour , for everyone .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And for all the person of the family maybe ,", "User Interface : Yeah , uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You don't need to tune it .", "Industrial Designer : so , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable , would you replace it with another one ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , why not ? If it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I mean , for example the goo y", "Industrial Designer : Because you have new {disfmarker}", "Marketing : you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google . Google is {vocalsound} is simple , works fine ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic , simple and works fine , it's already a lot .", "User Interface : Yeah . Oh yes , but there's no big difference between the traditional controller .", "Marketing : Uh thi this {disfmarker} I mean , the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition", "User Interface : The {disfmarker} then nn", "Marketing : or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : no .", "Marketing : if he has something that works fine and is really {vocalsound} fancy , looks nice and it's easy easy to use , easy to use .", "User Interface : Tha", "Project Manager : Not too expensive too .", "User Interface : But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller .", "Marketing : See {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That's the same {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That's the problem ,", "User Interface : yeah .", "Marketing : yeah . I mean , I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Ye {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : But you have to think , the user is the one who gonna buy the product", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : and so .", "Project Manager : Okay . So", "Marketing : I mean , that's the point .", "Project Manager : Uh and what about the user interface concept ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Google and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Google and fancy ?", "Industrial Designer : and fancy , f how about the the voice ? {vocalsound} And {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some disadvantages with this .", "Industrial Designer : Uh maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested", "User Interface : Uh yes .", "Industrial Designer : and how {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It It is an an interesting concept to see {disfmarker} to have uh voice control .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Yeah .", "User Interface : The smart controller . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the T_V_ , so speak directly to the T_V_ and you don't need a remote control actually ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : so .", "Project Manager : but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice .", "Industrial Designer : But it will be embedded on the T_V_ and not on the remote control , so .", "Project Manager : That's true .", "Marketing : Yeah {disfmarker} d", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the fancy controller ,", "Marketing : I dunno .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : maybe try to mix them these two concepts together , just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood .", "User Interface : Yeah . It's good .", "Project Manager : And L_C_D_ buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , L_C_D_ .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , yeah . And pf what can we think a supplement to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : What interface ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , for the interface something {disfmarker} added value .", "Industrial Designer : I think the supplement can be the voice {vocalsound} . It is just , you know , it is not the most important , but it can be a part of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : With a module ? You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : commands , words and use them when you don't want to use your fingers .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Mm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : To push button , yeah , yeah . Even it is for s just some kids , you know , switching channels one two three four .", "Project Manager : Turning the T_V_ o on o or off .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , turning {vocalsound} {disfmarker} yeah , yeah . Not very complex commands , but easy commands ,", "Project Manager : So ,", "Industrial Designer : so .", "Project Manager : adding some vocal commands .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Simple ones ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , simple ones for {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 41, "turns": [ 74, 93 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "marketing target , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they were making twelve and a half Euros for each remote and they had a profit aim of fifty million Euros. Marketing wondered if fifty percent mark-up was normal and thought that would be more like sixty percent. Also, Marketing answered that they had to sell four million remotes to hit the targeted profit.", "title": "Marketing Target of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "marketing target , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the production cost for the remote was twelve and a half Euros and they were selling the remote for twenty-five Euros, with a profit aim of fifty million Euros. Also, Project Manager said that their market was international and they had to know how many remotes they were going to sell to know how big a market they had to target and who was that to give the Marketing a pretty good idea of where they were looking. Marketing thought that would be more like a sixty percent mark-up and said they needed to sell four million remotes in order to make fifty million Euros which was a lot of selling.", "title": "Marketing Target of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 18 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Um cats are sometimes very independent . My parents had cats . Uh and they can mm decide for themselves what is best . Okay . Now um {vocalsound} we have to get down to the nitty-gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold {disfmarker} um we're to sell it for twenty five Euros , with a profit aim ultimately of fifty million Euros . That tells you something about how many um we have to sell on an international scale . Um would be an awful lot of these , would be like what , a hundred million of them um to make twenty five Euros on each one and to make a total profit of fifty million . Um the production is to only cost twelve and a half Euros per item . Now if they cost twelve and a half , you're selling it for twenty five , you're making twelve and a half Euros each . Um and we're to make a profit of fifty million , that's t uh {disfmarker} can you do the maths and how many are we selling ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh yeah . {vocalsound} I was just wondering if that's the um {disfmarker} If fifty percent is normal {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mark-up ?", "Marketing : B yeah . Um I would think would be more like sixty percent . But um let me {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : I have two thoughts . One hundred , fifty percent .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : And and your question is how many do we have to sell ?", "Project Manager : Yes , 'cause our market um is international and your problem is {disfmarker} has to do with marketing of {disfmarker} you know , you gotta know how many we're going to be selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that .", "Marketing : At twenty five . Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : To give you a pretty good idea of where you're looking .", "Marketing : So that's four million of them ?", "Project Manager : Something like that ? Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : That's fifty million Euros . In order to make fifty million Euros , and you're only getting twelve and a half each {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And if we make {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : That's a lot of selling . Two four {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . Four million .", "Project Manager : To be fifty , be four million . You'd have to sell four million .", "Marketing : Hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 2, 26 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "employers , understanding , meaning of Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The meeting started with Dafydd Evans' declaration that there was a discrepancy between what the employers understood about the Welsh bac, about what it was, and what it meant. He went further by expressing the name itself, Welsh bac, which did not help because it was not clear enough. Dr. Rachel Bowen thought this mismatch varied among employers, and it was mainly the employer's size-related. Nick Brazil added there was a difference between what the employers asked about the Welsh bac to provide and what it actually offered, such as Kay Martin explained: qualification and the skills associated with the qualification. Ed Evans said the Welsh bac was more valued among sectors which depends very much on pupils who had come through from a less academic background.", "title": "The Employers' Understanding of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "employers , understanding , meaning of Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans; I don't think that employers have a clear understanding of what the Welsh bac means or what it includes. I don't think that employers understand the value or what we're trying to achieve through the Welsh bac at present; Dr Rachel Bowen; varies by size of employer; the vast majority are more focused on getting on with the day-to-day running of the business. And that means it's quite a challenge to understand what is the Welsh bac; Nick Brazil; the level of professional qualifications and the quality of skills; it's very similar, and our employers want to make sure they get the right qualification; they want them to have digital skills. And that isn't captured necessarily in the Welsh baccalaureate; the understanding is quite limited amongst the employers; really appreciate this; the Welsh bac gives the students that ability, not to pursue so much of an academic focus, but to test them in terms of the challenges.", "title": "The Employers' Understanding of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "employers , understanding , Welsh bac", "speaker": "Ed Evans" }, "summary": "Ed Evans used his sector as an example to illustrate how employers didn't understand what the Welch bac represented, but if they did, they would really appreciate it. The Welsh bac provided pupils who had come through from a less academic background the ability, not to pursue so much of an academic focus, but to test them in terms of the challenges.", "title": "Employers' Understanding of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "employers , understanding , Welsh bac", "speaker": "Ed Evans" }, "summary": "Ed Evans; it's fair to say employers don't understand it, that's for sure, but I think if they did, they would really appreciate this; the civil engineering sector\u2014and particularly the contracting sector, which depends very much on pupils who have come through from a less academic background, the Welsh bac gives them that ability, to test them in terms of the challenges; they would actually be learning a lot more directly from industry.", "title": "Employers' Understanding of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improve , employers , understanding , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Ed Evans suggested to review the qualification, and the voice of employers should be a key part of that review, so that employability skills and entrepreneurial skills have more of a role within that qualification. Dafydd Evans added the vision was for the Welsh baccalaureate to improve skills for employment. The aim was an excellent one, but it was lost on the way in terms of what it was done and he thought having more input from employers would be a great help. Ed Evans also saw opportunities to join up employers and schools and education facilities, a lot more than it was done so far and to tie in employers into schools and colleges and get that time and input from them into schools in a far more co-ordinated way.", "title": "How to Improve Employers' Understanding of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 12, 15 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improve , employers , understanding , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans; review the qualification; the voice of employers should be a key part of that review, so that employability skills and entrepreneurial skills have more of a role within that qualification; improve skills for employment. The aim is an excellent one, we've lost our way in terms of what we do present at the end of the day; having more input from employers would be a great help; Ed Evans; opportunities to join up employers and schools; education facilities a lot; tie in employers into schools and colleges and get that time and input from them into schools in a far more co-ordinated way.", "title": "How to Improve Employers' Understanding of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "professional qualifications , professional sectors", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil explained most of the employers questioned the level of professional qualifications and the quality of skills within those professional sectors because they considered the Welsh bac was not providing such skills anymore.", "title": "Nick Brazil's Explanation About the Professional Qualifications in the Professional Sectors", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "professional qualifications , professional sectors", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil; employers; Most of what they are questioning is the level of professional qualifications and the quality of skills within those professional sectors. Not many of them have indicated that the Welsh bac is providing the skills that they require.", "title": "Nick Brazil's Explanation About the Professional Qualifications in the Professional Sectors", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] } ], "source": [ "Dafydd Evans : Could I start and then open it up? Thank you very much for the opportunity to give evidence. But just to give you the context, I think, if you were asking about the vast majority of subjects what the view of ColegauCymru\u00a0would be, it would be quite unanimous, but I think on the Welsh bac\u00a0there is a difference of opinion, and I'm sure you'll hear those differences on the panel before you today. We've possibly chosen this panel because there are differences of opinion. So, I just want to give you that context at the outset. To answer the specific question, no, I don't think that employers have a clear understanding of what the Welsh bac\u00a0means or what it includes. Personally I don't think that even the title of the Welsh bac\u00a0is helpful, because it doesn't say what's happening in the tin. So, I think the skills challenge certificate is a better title, and is something that people understand a lot better than the Welsh bac. So, no, I don't think that employers understand the value or what we're trying to achieve through the Welsh bac\u00a0at present.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Which is a big problem.", "Dafydd Evans : Yes, it's a huge problem, but not only to employers, but also to parents and young people, of course.", "Dr Rachel Bowen : And I think that that varies by size of employer as well. That, certainly, where there are larger employers, who've got people who are able to follow policy developments across the education spectrum, they may have more capacity to follow changes, get up to date with how Welsh education is evolving. But we know that most employers in Wales are small or microbusinesses. And while there are lots of small engaged employers who have taken an interest and do understand, the vast majority are more focused on getting on with the day-to-day running of the business. And that means it's quite a challenge to understand what is the Welsh bac, what does it offer. And, certainly, when that's evolved over the past few years and there have been changes, it would have been quite difficult to keep up to date with those, I imagine.", "Nick Brazil : Could I add to that? As do many of my colleagues\u00a0within the colleges, we have a number of employer boards, which we regularly\u00a0meet with\u2014employers\u2014and I cannot think back as to how many employers say to us, 'That is what we require\u2014the Welsh bac\u2014to come and work within our industry.' Most of what they are questioning is the level of professional qualifications and the quality of skills within\u00a0those professional sectors. Not many of them have indicated that the Welsh bac is providing the skills that they require. I think many of them believe in the vision that was set out for the Welsh bac\u00a0initially, but the Welsh bac\u00a0has turned into quite a rigorous, some would say demanding, qualification, which is putting a lot of pressure on in terms of bureaucracy, in terms of staff and the student getting all the information together at the end of the\u00a0year, and whether that's developing the skills that employers require is very questionable. And, as I said, from the employer boards that we have, very few of them understand\u00a0the Welsh bac. They certainly don't mention the Welsh bac and, as I said, are very much questioning the qualifications\u00a0that have been provided to develop the actual professional skills needed within the industries.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Kay, is that your experience?", "Kay Martin : Certainly, it's very similar, and our employers want to make sure they get the right qualification. They're having enough headache getting around the differences with apprenticeships and the levy between England and Wales, and changes to qualifications.\u00a0But they want them to get their main qualification. So, if you're an engineer, they want to get the engineering qualifications and they\u00a0want them to be literate, numerate, and they want them to have digital skills. And that isn't captured necessarily in the Welsh baccalaureate. And, so, the understanding is quite limited amongst the employers we work with.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. And, finally, I know you've got strong views as an organisation.", "Ed Evans : Do you mind if I carry on in English\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Fine.", "Ed Evans : \u2014just so that a lot of our members will understand when I'm speaking. I think it's fair to say employers don't understand it, that's for sure, but I think if they did, they would really appreciate this. For my sector in particular\u2014the civil engineering sector\u2014and particularly the\u00a0contracting sector, which depends very much on pupils who have come through from a less academic background, the Welsh bac gives them that ability, I guess, not to pursue so much of an academic focus, but to test them in terms of the challenges, but also, to\u2014. And I think if it was working properly and we did have employers engaged in this, and\u00a0supporting schools and colleges to deliver it, they would actually be learning a lot more directly from industry. And some children, some pupils, some young people, they respond far, far better to that. And I think that's the issue for me\u2014that we've not really sold this to employers to actually engage with them. All of my understanding of this is literally as a parent, and that would\u00a0be true of a lot of employers as well. So, perhaps there are differences across the sector, but I think, certainly for my sector, we would really value the growth of the Welsh baccalaureate.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : What are we going to do, then, to improve employers' understanding of the Welsh bac, and whose work is it to try to persuade employers that it is worth while, if you feel that it is worth while, of course?", "Dafydd Evans : I think we need to review the qualification, and I think the voice of employers should be a key part of that review, so that employability skills and entrepreneurial skills have more of a role within\u00a0that qualification. And I think that rather than it being done by the colleges or by a qualifications\u00a0board, I think\u00a0the employers\u2014. And the only way we'll get employer buy-in is that if they feel ownership of what's being done. Because I think that's what the\u00a0vision was for the Welsh baccalaureate\u2014that it was going to improve skills for employment. But, somehow or other we've lost our way. The aim is an excellent one, but I think we've lost our way in terms of what we do present at the end of the day, and I think having more input from employers would be a great help.", "Ed Evans : I will carry on in English, if that's okay.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes, it's no problem.", "Ed Evans : I would agree. I think we do need more employers involved in this. I think there are opportunities to join up employers and schools and education facilities a lot more than we do at the moment. I suppose that the bee in\u00a0my bonnet is that we are involved in lots of social value-type contracts in this sector, and that to me is a perfect opportunity to tie in employers into schools and colleges and get that time and input from them into schools in a far more co-ordinated way. It happens at the moment. It's the community benefits clauses that are in construction contracts. They're there to serve a really good purpose, but it's become a little bit piecemeal and a little bit tokenistic, whereas the Welsh bac offers an opportunity\u2014. It's something that's part of the curriculum. It's clearly not functioning well at the moment. It would benefit from that business input. So, why not link up those contractual clauses, which tie in employers and feed it directly into schools so that we have a far more\u00a0structured way of getting employers into schools? At the moment it's a little bit\u2014we'll pick up the phone, we'll get a phone call, and it'll be, 'Can you come and do something for us?' It's tokenistic. We need to be far more clever in terms of how we\u00a0join these things up, and then I think you'll start to get that business input there, but let's not be ad hoc about it.", "Kay Martin : Could I just add something? We've also got several other programmes that are engaging employers really well. Career Ready is a national programme, which we use in the college and which other colleges across the UK use. That's where employers mentor students so everyone has a mentor for the whole of the two years of the programme, from employment, and they all go out for at least six weeks' internship. So, they don't go for a day's work placement or two days\u2014they go for six-week internships. Some learners have got real benefit from that and really raised their aspirations. We've got BTEC learners who have gone through that programme and gone into law degrees with Freshfields law in London, which is one of the top law firms in the world. So, there are lots of other programmes as well, and perhaps there's a way of joining it all up together. But, in the college, we've got several different programmes going on with employers and the Welsh bac is one of them, but it's not the one that engages employers the best, certainly in our college.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, do we get rid of it?", "Lynne Neagle AM : You don't need to answer that. [Laughter.]", "Sian Gwenllian AM : I mean, if there are so many other programmes helping anyway, why do we need it?", "Nick Brazil : I think that is a very good question, but I will go back to Ed's point, which I think was a very important point, which is that the initial vision for the Welsh bac\u2014I think when we go back a number of years\u2014was a really good, good vision for the Welsh bac. It was going to be an overarching qualification that developed these skills, and certainly employability skills, and I think it's lost its way since then. It's become a qualification and all the realms around becoming a qualification, and it's become very much focused on outcomes rather than necessarily skills. And that's what happens, unfortunately. But I think what Ed said is absolutely right: if you get the engagement of the employers\u2014. But you've got to listen to what Kay said as well: there are programmes already out there. So, why are we focusing one way when there are already programmes that work extremely well? I will go to the enhanced programmes, enhanced engineering and programmes that we are running within our college and that I know run in other colleges, which are much, much more focused on skills, much more focused in linking with industry, and they work extremely well. The actual progress of learners into employment is happening. So, I think the question is: have we got programmes already in place, and do we need another one on top? But the vision initially for the Welsh bac, as I said, I will always be positive about. The vision was a good one.", "Dafydd Evans : I'd like to expand on what Nick said. It's important for you to understand that although we always try and put the learner first, funding does drive behaviours, and the Welsh bac is fundable; Career Ready isn't. So, yes, there are options out there, but because we're so focused on qualifications and we will only fund qualifications, that drives certain behaviours, and\u00a0I think you need as a committee to be very much aware of that.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Suzy, you've got a supplementary.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes, but that was very useful information for us, because bearing in mind what Nick Brazil said\u2014that the vision of this was created as almost something that could have the status of something like a Duke of Edinburgh award without necessarily being a compulsory qualification; what was important was that the learners got the skills.\u00a0However, if getting the qualification is how you get the money, then you can see why schools\u2014well, and indeed colleges\u2014might be tempted to go for it. So, thank you for that. Diolch.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Have you finished? Janet." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 89, 279 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "endpoint", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said what they seemed to need and also talked about how they had designed it, and the intermediate nodes that were the endpoint decision.", "title": "Intermediate Nodes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "endpoint", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said it had started getting into the technical stuff. 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Well anyway , go ahead .", "Grad E : OK , and so this , oh that", "Grad D : The other thing is that um every time that 's updated beliefs will have to be propagated but then the question is do you {disfmarker} do we wanna propagate beliefs every single time it 's updated or only when we need to ?", "Professor B : Yeah , that 's a good question . And uh does it have a lazy mode ? I don't remember .", "Grad D : Uh Well , I mean , in Srini 's thing there was this thing {disfmarker} there was this um option like proper inferences which suggests that uh doesn't happen , automatically .", "Professor B : Oh right . Yeah . S probably does . Yeah someone has to track that down , but I {disfmarker} but uh And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and I think {disfmarker} actually uh", "Grad E : I just accidentally Oops .", "Professor B : one of the we w items for the uh user home base uh should be uh essentially non - local . I they 're only there for the day and they don't have a place that they 're staying .", "Grad D : Well", "Grad E : Oh just uh accidentally erased this , I {disfmarker} I just had values here such as uh um is he s we had in our list we had \" Is he staying in our hotel ? \" , \" Is he staying with friends ? \" , and so forth", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : uh so we 're OK .", "Professor B : So it 's clear where w w w where we are right now . So my suggestion is we just pick uh", "Grad E : Something down here ?", "Professor B : one , you know one uh particular one of the uh well let 's do the first {disfmarker} first one let 's do the one that we sort of already think we did so w that was the {disfmarker} of the endpoint ?", "Grad E : Mm - hmm . And um Oops .", "Grad D : Is hmm", "Grad E : Ah ,", "Grad D : So it 's true or false ?", "Professor B : No , that 's {disfmarker} that 's a", "Grad E : OK . No no no , EVA .", "Grad D : So", "Grad E : Missed that one .", "Grad C : What 's the difference between mode and endpoint ?", "Grad D : I thought mode , yeah .", "Professor B : although that", "Grad E : Um mode was um", "Professor B : Well , that 's", "Grad D : Mode of transportation ?", "Grad E : Yeah .", "Grad D : OK . Also true or false .", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : No , he has he hasn't filled them in yet , is what 's true .", "Grad D : Yeah , OK .", "Grad E : Did I or didn't I ? Ah . Probably nothing done yet , oh I just did it on the upper ones , OK . Makes sense . OK , so this was EVA . Maybe we can think of more things , cross", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Grad A : Climb , rob .", "Professor B : OK .", "Grad E : climb , emerge", "Professor B : No no no , these are ju that 's just a point ,", "Grad C : Uh", "Grad D : Well some of those are subsumed by approach .", "Professor B : this is ju", "Grad C : Would it be an endpoint if you were crossing over it ?", "Grad A : The Charles Bridge , you know .", "Professor B : Yeah , would be a f for a given segment . You know , you {disfmarker} y you go {disfmarker} first go the town square", "Grad C : Well I eh", "Grad A : No , I mean , if you go to re you know if you go to Prague or whatever one of your {disfmarker} your key points that you have to do is cross the Charles Bridge and doesn't really matter which way you cross which {disfmarker} where you end up at the end but the part {disfmarker} the good part is walking over it , so .", "Professor B : That 's subtle , but true . Anyway so let 's just leave it three {disfmarker} with three for now", "Grad E : Mm - hmm , mmm . Yeah .", "Professor B : and let 's see if we can get it linked up just to get ourselves started .", "Grad E : OK , we", "Professor B : You 'll see it {disfmarker} you 'll see something comes up immediately , that the reason I wanna do this .", "Grad E : w well the uh user was uh definitely more likely to enter if he 's a local", "Professor B : Right . Right .", "Grad E : more likely to view if he 's a tourist um and then of course we had the fact that given the fact that he 's thrifty and there will be admission then we get all these cross um", "Professor B : We did , but the three things w that {disfmarker} that it contributed to this in fact , the other two aren't up there . so one was the ontology", "Grad E : We 'll d what type of building is it ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : Yeah .", "Professor B : And the {disfmarker} and the third thing we talked about was something from the discourse .", "Grad E : What he has mentioned before .", "Professor B : OK , so this is w Right , so what w I {disfmarker} what we seem to need here , this is why it starts getting into the technical stuff", "Grad A : mm - hmm", "Professor B : the way we had been designing this , there were three intermediate nodes uh which were the endpoint decision as seen from the uh user model as seen from the ontology and as seen from the discourse . So each of those the way we had it designed , now we can change the design , but the design we had was there was a decision with the same three outcomes uh based on the th those three separate considerations", "Grad A : mm - hmm", "Professor B : so if we wanted to do that would have to put in uh three intermediate nodes", "Grad E : Uh we can load it up it you know very simple .", "Grad A : So", "Professor B : and then what you and I have to talk about is , OK if we 're doing that and they get combined somehow uh how do they get combined ? But the {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're undoubtedly gonna be more things to worry about .", "Grad E : So this was adjusted for this one mode thing .", "Grad D : Oh yes .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : So that 's w w in our uh in {disfmarker} in Johno 's sort of pictogram everything that could contribute to whether a person wants to enter , view , or approach something .", "Professor B : Oh , it was called mode , so this {disfmarker} this is m mode here means the same as endpoint .", "Grad E : Is now this endpoint .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor B : OK , why don't we ch can we change that ?", "Grad E : We can just rename that , yeah .", "Professor B : Alright . You know , but that was actually , yeah unfortunately that was a um kind of an intermediate versio that 's I don't think what we would currently do .", "Grad A : Can I ask about \" slurred \" and \" angry \" as inputs to this ?", "Professor B : That 's a", "Grad A : What {disfmarker} why ?", "Grad D : Like they 're either true or false", "Grad E : The prosody ?", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad D : and they uh oh I see .", "Grad C : If the {disfmarker} if the person talking is angry or slurs their speech they might be tired or , you know", "Grad A : Mm - hmm . OK . Drunk .", "Grad D : Therefore", "Grad C : And , you know , possibly uh", "Grad A : Less likely to enter .", "Grad C : some ,", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad C : yeah .", "Grad D : uh I was thinking less likely to view", "Professor B : Yeah . But that 's - that seems to , yeah . So {disfmarker} so my advice to do is {disfmarker} is get this down to what we think is actually likely to {disfmarker} to be a {disfmarker} a strong influence .", "Grad A : OK .", "Professor B : But yeah , that was what he had in mind .", "Grad D : Right .", "Professor B : So let 's think about this {disfmarker} this question of how do we wanna handle {disfmarker} so there 're two separate things . One is {disfmarker} uh at least two . One is how do we want to handle the notion of the ontology now what we talked about , and this is another technical thing Bhaskara , is uh can we arrange so that I think we can so that the belief - net itself has properties and the properties are filled in uh from on ontology items . So the {disfmarker} let 's take the case of the uh this endpoint thing , the notion was that if you had a few key properties like is this a tourist site , you know some kind of landmark is it a place of business uh is it something you physically could enter", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : OK , et cetera . So that there 'd be certain properties that would fit into the decision node and then again as part of the ou outer controlling conditioning of this thing those would be set , so that some somehow someone would find this word , look it up in the ontology , pull out these properties , put it into the belief - net , and then the decision would flow .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Now", "Grad E : Seems to me that we 've sort of e em embedded a lot , em embedded a lot of these uh things we had in there previously in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in some of the other final decisions done here , for example if we would know that this thing is exhibiting something um", "Professor B : Right . Right .", "Grad E : if it 's exhibiting itself it is a landmark ,", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : meaning more likely to be viewed", "Professor B : Yep .", "Grad E : if it is exhibiting pictures or sculptures and stuff like this , then it 's more likely to be entered .", "Professor B : I uh that 's {disfmarker} I think that 's completely right and um I think that 's good , right ? So what {disfmarker} what that says is that we might be able to uh take and in particular so {disfmarker} so the ones we talked about were uh exhibiting and selling", "Grad E : Accessibility .", "Professor B : no , accessibility meant", "Grad E : If it 's closed one probably won't enter . Or if it 's not accessible to a tourist ever the likelihood of that person actually wanting to enter it ,", "Professor B : OK .", "Grad E : given that he knows it , of course .", "Professor B : Alright . So let me suggest this . Uh w could you move those up about halfway . Uh The ones that you th And selling I guess .", "Grad E : Yeah , all {disfmarker} all of these if it 's fixing things selling things , or servicing things", "Professor B : Right . So here {disfmarker} here 's what it looks like to me . is that you want an intermediate structure which i uh is essentially the or of uh for this purpose of {disfmarker} of uh selling , f fixing , or servicing . So that it uh that is , for certain purposes , it becomes important but for this kind of purpose uh one of these places is quite like the other . Does that seem right ? So we di", "Grad C : Basic you 're basically just merging those for just the sake of endpoint decision ?", "Professor B : if we Yes .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So if {disfmarker} well it may be more than endpoint decisions , so the idea would be that you might wanna merge those three", "Grad E : These three ?", "Professor B : Yeah . Eh ser s uh selling , fixing , and servicing .", "Grad E : Yeah .", "Grad D : What ex um and so either those is true f or false ?", "Professor B : Uh Uh well it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} i here 's where it gets a little tricky .", "Grad D : So", "Professor B : Uh from the belief - net point of view it is from another point of view of course it 's interest it 's {disfmarker} it 's important to know what it 's selling or servicing and so forth .", "Grad A : Yeah .", "Professor B : So for this decision it 's just uh true or false", "Grad D : OK . Yeah .", "Professor B : and in th this is a case where the or seems just what you want .", "Grad D : OK .", "Professor B : That {disfmarker} that if any of those things is true then it 's the kind of place that you uh", "Grad E : Um more likely to enter .", "Professor B : are more likely to enter .", "Grad D : So you just wanna have them all pointing to a summary thing ?", "Professor B : You could , yeah . Yeah , so let 's do that . No no , no eh to {disfmarker} to an inter no , an intermediate node .", "Grad D : T", "Grad E : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : That 's the p part of the idea , is", "Grad E : Um is {disfmarker} is that the object type node ?", "Professor B : I d", "Grad E : So are they the {disfmarker} is it the kind of object that sells , fixes , or services things ?", "Professor B : Well , o open up object type and let 's see what its values are .", "Grad E : Oh I just created it , it has none so far .", "Professor B : Oh , well OK first of all it 's not objects , we called them entities , right ?", "Grad E : Yeah . And then we have sort of the um", "Professor B : Let 's say I put commercial .", "Grad E : Yeah , I w I was just gonna commercial action inside where people p", "Professor B : Well couldn't I do {disfmarker} let 's do commercial uh landmark and", "Grad E : And where was the accessible , yeah .", "Professor B : Well accessible I think is different cuz that 's tempor that {disfmarker} that varies temporally ,", "Grad E : Yeah .", "Professor B : whereas this is a", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : What would a hotel fall under ?", "Professor B : I would call that a service , but {disfmarker} but I don't know .", "Grad C : Well I mean in terms of entity type ?", "Professor B : Say w w well it 's co I would s a a again for this purpose I think it 's commercial . Someplace you want to go in to do some kind of business .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : Um what does the underscore - T at the end of each of those things signify ?", "Grad E : Um things . So places that service things sell things or fix things and pe places that e exhibit things .", "Grad D : Uh - huh . OK . OK . That also points to entity type I guess .", "Grad A : So we 're deriving um this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this feature of whether the {disfmarker} the main action at this place happens inside or outside or what we 're deriving that from what kind of activity is done there ? Couldn't you have it as just a primitive feature of the entity ?", "Professor B : Well you could , that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a choice .", "Grad A : OK .", "Professor B : So uh", "Grad A : I mean it seems like that 's much more reliable cuz you could have outdoor places that sell things and you know indoor places that do something else", "Professor B : Yeah , the problem with it is that it sort of putting in a feature just for one decision ,", "Grad A : and Hmm .", "Professor B : now w we may wind up having to do that this i anyway , this i", "Grad A : OK .", "Professor B : at a mental level that 's what we we 're gonna have to sort out .", "Grad A : OK .", "Professor B : So , you know what does this look like , what are {disfmarker} what are uh intermediate things that are worth computing , what are the features we need in order to make all these decisions", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : and what 's the best way to organize this so that um it 's clean and {disfmarker} and consistent and all that sort of stuff .", "Grad A : OK . I 'm just thinking about how people , human beings who know about places and places to go and so on would store this and it would probably {disfmarker} you wouldn't just sort of remember that they sell stuff and then deduce from that that it must be going on inside or something .", "Grad E : Well I think an entity maybe should be regard as a vector of several possible things , it can either em do s do sell things , fix things , service things , exhibit things , it can be a landmark at the same time as doing these things ,", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : it 's not either or mmm certainly a place can be a hotel and a famous site .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : Many come to mind . Things can be generally um a landmark and be accessible . IE a {disfmarker} a castle or can be a landmark a or not accessible , some statue", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : you know can go inside ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 4, "turns": [ 139, 356 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "clean speech", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that he took the LDA filter design using clean speech and used new filters to improve his system, although they did not improve much. After that, PhD A added inline normalization, but realized that he had to increase the time constant or decrease the update value and that the baseline was better on the Aurora base if he ran it with the endpoint set to the line information. PhD A also used the signal subspace approach to speech to fill the space with some speech enhancement algorithms. So far, PhD A had only tested in Matlab, but planned to port it to C and updated it with the repository once getting a positive result.", "title": "Audio Enhancement Tests", "relevant_turns": [ 8, [ 67, 73 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "clean speech", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A took the design of the LDA filter using clean speech and had new filters with which PhD A improved his system, although not very significantly. After that, PhD A added online normalization and had to increase the time constant or decrease the update value. PhD A also took the Aurora baseline and ran it with the endpoint on the \"W Speech\" and \"Nonspeech\" information, and found that the baseline itself improved by twenty-two percent just by giving the WUH. PhD A has been working on filling the gap with some speech enhancement algorithms using the signal subspace approach to speech, enhancement where you took the noisy signal and then decomposed the signals and noise subspace and then tried to estimate clean speech from the signal plus noise subspace. So far, PhD A has only been testing in Matlab and would then port it to C and update it with the repository once it was getting a positive result.", "title": "Audio Enhancement Tests", "relevant_turns": [ 8, [ 67, 73 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lda", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "After Aurora's presentation, PhD A worked on others' presentations and combined it with LDA there was an improvement over theirs. Then connected the LDA filters by taking the cepstral coefficients from their system and then connecting LDA, although the LDA filter used was different from the one presented in the proposal. PhD A took the LDA filter design using clean speech and used new filters to improve the system on it, although it didn't improve much. Professor C talked about a test they did last week, when they combined part of the French Telecom System with system one and asked if the real France Telecom features were being applied. PhD A said no, that they applied the Wiener filter and calculated the cepstral features. PhD D asked what would happen if they tried to put only LDA, and then online normalization. PhD A said that after using only LDA, he added line normalization. PhD D said they tried to keep the system as it was and when they plugged in the spectral subtraction it improved significantly, they could even remove the online normalization as long as you have the spectral subtraction. Professor C said that they should look at some results tables and see the differences. PhD A said that without any changes it was fine because they changed the system to have the new LDA filters. PhD D said they improved, like the sixty-four hertz limit.", "title": "Using LDA Filters", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 80, 97 ], [ 101, 132 ], 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "lda", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "After Aurora's presentation, PhD A worked on others' presentations and found that if LDA was used there was an improvement, so PhD A plugged in the LDA filters by taking the cepstral coefficients coming from the system, even though the LDA filter was different to the proposed. PhD A took the LDA filter design using clean speech and used new filters to improve the system, although they didn't improve much. Professor C asked if they were applying the real characteristics of France Telecom in the tests. PhD A said no, that they applied the Wiener filter and calculated the cepstral features. PhD D asked what would happen if they tried to put only LDA and online normalization. PhD A said they did. PhD D said that they could remove the online normalization, as long as they have the spectral subtraction, because with that, it improved considerably. PhD A said it was fine as it was, because they changed the system to have the new LDA filters. PhD D said they improved, like the sixty-four hertz cut-off.", "title": "Using LDA Filters", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 80, 97 ], [ 101, 132 ], 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "baseline", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said they took the LDA filter design using clean voice and sent new filters, thus improving the system, though not significantly, so added inline normalization and made some changes to the time constant it used. Another thing that PhD A tried, was to take the Aurora baseline and then run it with the endpoint in the data, to see how much the baseline improves just by providing the \"W Speech\" and \"Non Speech\" data, and found that the baseline itself improved by twenty-two percent just by giving the WUH. PhD A said there was no improvement if you used inline normalization, because you would have to change the update factor value, but you added the endpoint information to the baseline and that in itself improved twenty-two percent because the new phase would be with the punctual speech. PhD F said that then people didn't even have to worry about not speaking. PhD A said they were going to give the endpoint information, but Professor C guessed it might be better to have a standard that everyone used and then interacted with, instead of giving the endpoints. PhD A said that he could be given the information about the beginning and end of the speech, but the full speech would be available. PhD A even found that in one of the SpeechDat-Car cases, the Spanish improved only fifty percent just by putting the period, so it didn't need any additional speech enhancement.", "title": "Baseline Improvement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "baseline", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A, took the baseline and then ran it with the endpoint, information, just the Aurora baseline, to see that how much the baseline itself improves by just supplying the information of the, w speech and nonspeech. And, found that the baseline itself improves by twenty-two percent. PhD F, people won't even have to worry about, doing speech-nonspeech then. Professor C, the issue, people do that anyway. But it might be, better, rather than giving the endpoints, to have a standard that everybody uses and then interacts with. PhD A, you, be given the information about the beginning and the end of speech but the whole speech, available to you. PhD A, found that in, one of the SpeechDat-Car cases, the Spanish one improves by just fifty percent by just putting the endpoint.", "title": "Baseline Improvement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "line normalization", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A worked on others' presentations after Aurora's presentation and found that if combined it with LDA, there was an improvement over theirs. Then PhD A added on-line normalization on top and had to make some changes to the time constants because there was a variant, and it didn't support enhanced speech, though didn't play much with the time constants, had to increase the time constant or reduce the value of update. Professor C asked if adding on-line normalization made things better. Even with the differences in the time constants, PhD A did not get much improvement with on-line normalization due to the update value change. Professor C asked if the real functions of France Telecom had been applied in last week's test. PhD A said no, that they applied the Wiener filter and calculated the cepstral features. PhD D asked what would happen if they tried to put only LDA and then on-line normalization. PhD A added on-line normalization after using only LDA. PhD D said that they tried to keep the system as it was and when they plugged in the spectral subtraction it improved significantly, then they could even remove the on-line normalization as long as they have the spectral subtraction. Professor C said that they should look at some tables of results and see the differences. PhD D said they improved, like the sixty-four hertz limit.", "title": "On-line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 22 ], [ 78, 141 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "line normalization", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that they worked on the presentations after Aurora's presentation and found that if he combined it with LDA, there was an improvement. They added in-line normalization above and found that they had to make some changes to the time constants and that it was not compatible with enhanced speech. Professor C asked if adding on-line normalization made things better. PhD A said that even with the differences in time constants, he did not get much improvement with on-line normalization. PhD D said that they could remove the on-line normalization as long as they had the spectral subtraction.", "title": "On-line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 22 ], [ 78, 141 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time constant", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A took the design of the LDA filter using clean speech with some new filters and got an improvement by adding the normalization online, although they had to make some changes to the time constant, because they had an update that was not suitable for the improved speech. But PhD A discovered that the time constant had to be increased or the update factor reduced. Professor C asked if they improved by adding online normalization. PhD A said that modifying the time constant or update factor was better, even without the use of online normalization.", "title": "Time Constant and Update Factor", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time constant", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A found that the time constant had to be increased, or the update factor reduced, because the value was not suitable for the improved speech. This modification helped even more than using online normalization.", "title": "Time Constant and Update Factor", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mismatch", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD D said that looking at the results, they were better than France Telecom for mismatch and high mismatch. And while it didn't seem to be significant, if you put it in the spreadsheet, it was even worse, even for the well-matched, and significantly better for HM and MM. PhD D said that if the contribution looked different, for the test set it would be more uniform. PhD A said that there could be a better match by adding the endpoint information, although well-matched would also have some slight discrepancies. Professor C asked if the matched well had a mismatch. PhD A said yes, because it was artificially added noise. Professor C asked to be reminded of what \"well-matched\" means. PhD A said that a good match was defined as seventy percent of the entire database being used for training and thirty percent for testing. PhD A added that the main mismatch came from the number of silent and noise frames and all those actually present in the database. Professor C said that no matter how much they trained the dictation machine to talk to the computer, it would record noise conditions, and it would not be very realistic.", "title": "Mismatches in Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 150, 216 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "mismatch", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD D, if, look at the results, they, always better than, France Telecom for mismatch and high-mismatch. And it, still slightly worse for well-matched. The problem, that it, not significant, but if you put this in the, spreadsheet, it, still worse. And significantly better for HM. PhD A, the improvement on HM and MM, also go down significantly in the spreadsheet. But the well-matched, may be the one which, be least affected by adding the endpoint information. PhD A, actually the, well-matched, condition, not be like the one in TI-digits where, you have all the training, conditions exactly like replicated in the testing condition. The well-matched, have also some, mismatch in the, artificially added noise. PhD A, the well-matched, defined like, seventy percent of the whole database, be used for training and thirty percent for testing. Professor C, unless they deliberately chose it to be different, which they didn't because they want it to be well-matched, it, not guaranteed. PhD A, the main mismatch, come from the amount of noise and the silence frames and all those present in the database. Professor C, much as you train your dictation machine for talking into your computer, you have a car, and so you drive it around a bunch and, record noise conditions, or something, and, do not think that it, be very realistic.", "title": "Mismatches in Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 150, 216 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "system", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A took other people's presentations and tried LDA on their system and combined it with theirs, because they didn't have any speech enhancement system. PhD A also took the cepstral coefficients coming from their system and plugged LDA on top of that, but with all these changes the system improved slightly, so PhD A also added the online normalization and made modifications to the time constant and the update factor, in addition to discovering that the baseline would improve itself if the WUH were stipulated.", "title": "System Improvements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "system", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said they took others' submissions and then over their system and what they submitted, tried just LDA and combined it over theirs, because they didn't have any speech enhancement system. PhD A also took the cepstral coefficients coming from their system and then plugged LDA on top of that. The LDA filter they used was different from the one they had in the proposal, because PhD A took the filter design using a clean speech, but with all this changes, the system didn't get much better. Later, PhD A added the online normalization and made modifications by increasing the time constant, or reducing the value of the update factor. Another thing that PhDA discovered was that the baseline itself improves just by giving the WUH.", "title": "System Improvements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "endpoint", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that they modified others' presentations by adding a clean-voiced LDA filter and new filters, but improved the system very little, so added online normalization and modified the time constants and update factor. PhD A also took the Aurora baseline and then ran it with the endpoint on the data, to see how much the baseline improved, and found that the baseline itself improved simply by giving the endpoint information, even when online normalization was not added. Professor C said that it would be better to have a standard that everyone would use to interact, rather than giving endpoints. PhD A said that they could be given the information about the beginning and end of the speech, but that the full speech would be available. Furthermore, PhD A argued that in one of the SpeechDat-Car cases, Spanish improved by fifty percent just by putting the dot even without any additional speech improvement.", "title": "Endpoint Information", "relevant_turns": [ 8, [ 26, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "endpoint", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that they modified others' presentations by adding a clean-voiced LDA filter and new filters, but improved the system very little, so added inline normalization and modified the time constants and update factor. PhD A also took the Aurora baseline and then ran it with the endpoint on the data, to see how much the baseline improved by simply providing the \"W Speech\" and \"Non Speech\" data, and found that the baseline base itself improves by twenty-two percent just by giving the WUH. PhD A said that there was no improvement if you used online normalization, but adding the endpoint information to the baseline improved it by twenty-two percent, because the new phase would be with the punctual speech. PhD F said that then people wouldn't even have to worry about not speaking up. PhD A said that they were going to give the endpoint information, but Professor C said that it would be better to have a standard that everyone would use to interact, instead of giving the endpoints. PhD A said that they could be given the information about the beginning and end of the speech, but that the full speech would be available. Furthermore, PhD A argued that in one of the SpeechDat-Car cases, Spanish improved by fifty percent just by putting the dot even without any additional speech improvement.", "title": "Endpoint Information", "relevant_turns": [ 8, [ 26, 54 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : Um . Yeah . So , uh , shall I start from {disfmarker} Well I don't know how may I {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} OK . Uh , I think I 'll start from the post uh Aurora submission maybe .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : Uh , yeah , after the submission the {disfmarker} what I 've been working on mainly was to take {disfmarker} take other s submissions and then over their system , what they submitted , because we didn't have any speech enhancement system in {disfmarker} in ours . So {disfmarker} So I tried uh , And u First I tried just LDA . And then I found that uh , I mean , if {disfmarker} if I combine it with LDA , it gives @ @ improvement over theirs . Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Are y are you saying LDA ?", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD F : LDA . OK .", "PhD A : So , just {disfmarker} just the LDA filters . I just plug in {disfmarker} I just take the cepstral coefficients coming from their system and then plug in LDA on top of that . But the LDA filter that I used was different from what we submitted in the proposal .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : What I did was {vocalsound} I took the LDA filter 's design using clean speech , uh , mainly because the speech is already cleaned up after the enhancement so , instead of using this , uh , narrow {disfmarker} narrow band LDA filter that we submitted uh , I got new filters . So that seems to be giving {disfmarker} uh , improving over their uh , system . Slightly . But , not very significantly . And uh , that was uh , showing any improvement over {disfmarker} final {disfmarker} by plugging in an LDA . And uh , so then after {disfmarker} after that I {disfmarker} I added uh , on - line normalization also on top of that . And that {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there also I n I found that I have to make some changes to their time constant that I used because th it has a {disfmarker} a mean and variance update time constant and {disfmarker} which is not suitable for the enhanced speech , and whatever we try it on with proposal - one . But um , I didn't {disfmarker} I didn't play with that time constant a lot , I just t g I just found that I have to reduce the value {disfmarker} I mean , I have to increase the time constant , or reduce the value of the update value . That 's all I found So I have to . Uh , Yeah . And uh , uh , the other {disfmarker} other thing what I tried was , I just um , uh , took the baseline and then ran it with the endpoint inf uh th information , just the Aurora baseline , to see that how much the baseline itself improves by just supplying the information of the {disfmarker} I mean the w speech and nonspeech . And uh , I found that the baseline itself improves by twenty - two percent by just giving the wuh .", "Professor C : Uh , can you back up a second , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I missed something , uh , I guess my mind wandered . Ad - ad When you added the on - line normalization and so forth , uh , uh things got better again ?", "PhD A : Yeah . No .", "Professor C : or is it ?", "PhD A : No . No , things didn't get better with the same time constant that we used .", "Professor C : Did it not ? No , no . With a different time constant .", "PhD A : With the different time constant I found that {disfmarker} I mean , I didn't get an improvement over not using on - line normalization ,", "Professor C : Oh .", "PhD A : because I {disfmarker} I found that I would have change the value of the update factor .", "Professor C : No you didn't , OK .", "PhD A : But I didn't play it with play {disfmarker} play quite a bit to make it better than .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : So , it 's still not {disfmarker}", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD A : I mean , the on - line normalization didn't give me any improvement .", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD A : And uh , so ,", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD A : oh yeah So I just stopped there with the uh , speech enhancement . The {disfmarker} the other thing what I tried was the {disfmarker} adding the uh , endpoint information to the baseline and that itself gives like twenty - two percent because the {disfmarker} the second {disfmarker} the new phase is going to be with the endpointed speech . And just to get a feel of how much the baseline itself is going to change by adding this endpoint information , I just , uh , use {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Hmm .", "PhD F : So people won't even have to worry about , uh , doing speech - nonspeech then .", "PhD A : Yeah that 's , that 's what the feeling is like . They 're going to give the endpoint information .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor C : G I guess the issue is that people do that anyway ,", "PhD F : I see .", "Professor C : everybody does that ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : and they wanted to see , given that you 're doing that , what {disfmarker} what are the best features that you should use .", "PhD F : Yeah , I see .", "PhD A : So ,", "Professor C : I mean clearly they 're interact . So I don't know that I entirely agree with it .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} but it might be uh {disfmarker} In some ways it might be better t to {disfmarker} rather than giving the endpoints , to have a standard that everybody uses and then interacts with .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : But , you know . It 's {disfmarker} it 's still someth reasonable .", "PhD F : So , are people supposed to assume that there is uh {disfmarker} Are {disfmarker} are people not supposed to use any speech outside of those endpoints ?", "PhD A : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Or can you then use speech outside of it for estimating background noise and things ?", "PhD A : No . No . That i I {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah , yeah , exactly . I guess that is {disfmarker} that is where the consensus is . Like y you will {disfmarker} you will {disfmarker} You 'll be given the information about the beginning and the end of speech but the whole speech is available to you .", "PhD F : OK .", "PhD A : So .", "Professor C : So it should make the spectral subtraction style things work even better ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : because you don't have the mistakes in it . Yeah ?", "PhD A : Yeah . So {disfmarker}", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD A : So that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} The baseline itself {disfmarker} I mean , it improves by twenty - two percent . I found that in s one of the SpeechDat - Car cases , that like , the Spanish one improves by just fifty percent by just putting the endpoint . w", "PhD F : Wow .", "PhD A : I mean you don't need any further speech enhancement with fifty . So , uh ,", "PhD F : So the baseline itself improves by fifty percent .", "PhD A : Yeah , by fifty percent .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD F : Wow .", "Professor C : So it 's g it 's gonna be harder to {vocalsound} beat that actually .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah , so {disfmarker}", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}", "PhD A : so that is when uh , the {disfmarker} the qualification criteria was reduced from fifty percent to something like twenty - five percent for well - matched . And I think they have {disfmarker} they have actually changed their qualification c criteria now . And uh , Yeah , I guess after that , I just went home f I just had a vacation fo for four weeks . Uh .", "Professor C : OK . No , that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's a good {disfmarker} good update .", "PhD A : Ye Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I came back and I started working on uh , some other speech enhancement algorithm . I mean , so {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} from the submission what I found that people have tried spectral subtraction and Wiener filtering . These are the main uh , approaches where people have tried ,", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : so just to {disfmarker} just to fill the space with some f few more speech enhancement algorithms to see whether it improves a lot , I {disfmarker} I 've been working on this uh , signal subspace approach for speech enhancement where you take the noisy signal and then decomposing the signal s and the noise subspace and then try to estimate the clean speech from the signal plus noise subspace . And {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : So , I 've been actually running some s So far I 've been trying it only on Matlab . I have to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to test whether it works first or not", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : and then I 'll p port it to C and I 'll update it with the repository once I find it it giving any some positive result . So , yeah .", "Professor C : S So you s you So you said one thing I want to jump on for a second . So {disfmarker} so now you 're {disfmarker} you 're getting tuned into the repository thing that he has here", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : and {disfmarker} so we we 'll have a {vocalsound} single place where the stuff is .", "PhD A : Yep . Yeah .", "Professor C : Cool . Um , so maybe uh , just briefly , you could remind us about the related experiments . Cuz you did some stuff that you talked about last week , I guess ?", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : Um , where you were also combining something {disfmarker} both of you I guess were both combining something from the uh , French Telecom system with {vocalsound} the u uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Right .", "Professor C : I {disfmarker} I don't know whether it was system one or system two , or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . It was system one . So", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD D : we {disfmarker} The main thing that we did is just to take the spectral subtraction from the France Telecom , which provide us some speech samples that are uh , with noise removed .", "Professor C : So I let me {disfmarker} let me just stop you there . So then , one distinction is that uh , you were taking the actual France Telecom features and then applying something to {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Uh , no there is a slight different . Uh I mean , which are extracted at the handset because they had another back - end blind equalization {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah . But that 's what I mean .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : But u u Sorry ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : yeah , I 'm not being {disfmarker} I 'm not being clear .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : What I meant was you had something like cepstra or something , right ?", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Professor C : And so one difference is that , I guess you were taking spectra .", "PhD A : The speech .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah . But I guess it 's the s exactly the same thing because on the heads uh , handset they just applied this Wiener filter and then compute cepstral features ,", "PhD A : Yeah , the cepstral f The difference is like {disfmarker} There may be a slight difference in the way {disfmarker}", "PhD D : right ? or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD A : because they use exactly the baseline system for converting the cepstrum once you have the speech . I mean , if we are using our own code for th I mean that {disfmarker} that could be the only difference .", "PhD D : Right .", "PhD A : I mean , there is no other difference .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : But you got some sort of different result . So I 'm trying to understand it . But uh , I th", "PhD D : Yeah , well I think we should uh , have a table with all the result because I don't know I uh , I don't exactly know what are your results ? But ,", "PhD A : OK . OK .", "PhD D : Mmm . Yeah , but so we did this , and another difference I guess is that we just applied uh , proposal - one system after this without {disfmarker} well , with our modification to reduce the delay of the {disfmarker} the LDA filters ,", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : and", "PhD B : And the filter {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Well there are slight modifications , but it was the full proposal - one . In your case , if you tried just putting LDA , then maybe on - line normalization {disfmarker} ?", "PhD A : Only LDA . Yeah . Af - I {disfmarker} after that I added on - line normalization , yeah .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . So we just tried directly to {disfmarker} to just , keep the system as it was and , um , when we plug the spectral subtraction it improves uh , signif significantly . Um , but , what seems clear also is that we have to retune the time constants of the on - line normalization .", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah . Yeah .", "PhD D : Because if we keep the value that was submitted uh , it doesn't help at all . You can remove on - line normalization , or put it , it doesn't change anything . Uh , uh , as long as you have the spectral subtraction . But , you can still find some kind of optimum somewhere , and we don't know where exactly", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : but , uh .", "PhD A : Yeah , I assume .", "Professor C : So it sounds like you should look at some tables of results or something", "PhD D : Right .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor C : and see where i where the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} where they were different and what we can learn from it .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : without any change . OK .", "PhD B : But it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah . Well ,", "PhD B : It 's the new .", "PhD D : with {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with changes ,", "PhD A : with", "PhD B : The new .", "PhD D : because we change it the system to have {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Oh yeah , I mean the {disfmarker} the new LDA filters .", "PhD B : The new .", "PhD A : I mean {disfmarker} OK .", "PhD D : Yeah . LDA filters . There are other things that we finally were shown to improve also like , the sixty - four hertz cut - off .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : w Uh , it doesn't seem to hurt on TI - digits , finally .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD D : Maybe because of other changes .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD D : Um , well there are some {vocalsound} minor changes , yeah .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : And , right now if we look at the results , it 's , um , always better than {disfmarker} it seems always better than France Telecom for mismatch and high - mismatch . And it 's still slightly worse for well - matched .", "PhD B : But", "PhD D : Um , but this is not significant . But , the problem is that it 's not significant , but if you put this in the , mmm , uh , spreadsheet , it 's still worse . Even with very minor {disfmarker} uh , even if it 's only slightly worse for well - matched .", "Professor C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : And significantly better for HM . Uh , but , well . I don't think it 's importa important because when they will change their metric , uh , uh , mainly because of uh , when you p you plug the um , frame dropping in the baseline system , it will improve a lot HM , and MM ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : so , um , I guess what will happen {disfmarker} I don't know what will happen . But , the different contribution , I think , for the different test set will be more even .", "PhD A : Because the {disfmarker} your improvement on HM and MM will also go down significantly in the spreadsheet so . But the {pause} the well - matched may still {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I mean the well - matched may be the one which is least affected by adding the endpoint information .", "Professor C : Right .", "PhD A : Yeah . So the {disfmarker} the MM {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : MM and HM are going to be v hugely affected by it . Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah , so um , yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah . But they d the {disfmarker} everything I mean is like , but there that 's how they reduce {disfmarker} why they reduce the qualification to twenty - five percent or some {disfmarker} something on .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : But are they changing the weighting ?", "PhD A : Uh , no , I guess they are going ahead with the same weighting .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah . So there 's nothing on {disfmarker}", "Professor C : I don't understand that .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : I guess I {disfmarker} I haven't been part of the discussion , so , um , it seems to me that the well - matched condition is gonna be unusual ,", "PhD A : Usual .", "Professor C : in this case . Unusual .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor C : Because , um , you don't actually have good matches ordinarily for what any @ @ {disfmarker} particular person 's car is like , or", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor C : uh ,", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor C : It seems like something like the middle one is {disfmarker} is more natural .", "PhD A : Hmm . Right .", "Professor C : So I don't know why the {pause} well - matched is uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Yeah , but actually the well {disfmarker} well the well - matched um , uh , I mean the {disfmarker} the well - matched condition is not like , uh , the one in TI - digits where uh , you have all the training , uh , conditions exactly like replicated in the testing condition also . It 's like , this is not calibrated by SNR or something . The well - matched has also some {disfmarker} some mismatch in that which is other than the {disfmarker}", "Professor C : The well wa matched has mismatch ?", "PhD A : has {disfmarker} has also some slight mismatches , unlike the TI - digits where it 's like prefectly matched", "PhD F : Perfect to match .", "PhD A : because it 's artificially added noise .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : But this is natural recording .", "Professor C : Yeah . So remind me of what well - matched meant ?", "PhD A : The {disfmarker} the well - matched is like {disfmarker}", "Professor C : You 've told me many times .", "PhD A : the {disfmarker} the well - matched is defined like it 's seventy percent of the whole database is used for training and thirty percent for testing .", "PhD D : Yeah . Well , so it means that if the database is large enough , it 's matched .", "PhD A : It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Because it", "PhD A : OK , it 's {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD D : in each set you have a range of conditions {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Right . So , I mean , yeah , unless they deliberately chose it to be different , which they didn't because they want it to be well - matched , it is pretty much {disfmarker} You know , so it 's {disfmarker} so it 's sort of saying if you {disfmarker}", "PhD F : It 's {disfmarker} it 's not guaranteed though .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Uh , it 's not guaranteed .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Right .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Yeah because the m the main {disfmarker} major reason for the m", "Professor C : Right .", "PhD A : the main mismatch is coming from the amount of noise and the silence frames and all those present in the database actually .", "Professor C : Again , if you have enough {disfmarker} if you have enough {disfmarker}", "PhD A : No yeah , yeah . Yeah .", "Professor C : So it 's sort of i i it 's sort of saying OK , so you {disfmarker} much as you train your dictation machine for talking into your computer , um , you {disfmarker} you have a car , and so you drive it around a bunch and {disfmarker} and record noise conditions , or something , and then {disfmarker} I don't think that 's very realistic , I mean I th", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : I {disfmarker} I you know , so I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you know , I guess they 're saying that if you were a company that was selling the stuff commercially , that you would have a bunch of people driving around in a bunch of cars , and {disfmarker} and you would have something that was roughly similar and maybe that 's the argument , but I 'm not sure I buy it , so .", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah , yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 5, "turns": [ 144, 363 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype design", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if the goal of prototype design was as low profile as possible. User Interface thought prototype was expected to be deep. They thought three centimeters for width, for height-wise 2 centimeters, and, thickness between 2.5 and three.", "title": "Prototype Measurements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 158, 191 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype design ; Extractivenes : High ; Lenght : Long", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing wondered if the objective of the prototype design was meant to be as low profile as possible. According to User Interface it needed to be deep enough, avoiding wide and flat. Several elements needed to be added to the report. For width, three centimeters was what they were looking for, and, for height-wise, two centimetres. Marketing said those two centimetres weren't high enough. About thickness, it should be between 2.5 and three.", "title": "Prototype Measurements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 158, 191 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost restraints , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager ; Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager and Industrial Designer discussed the excel sheet and price listing to prevent over-budget project and to knew if the team would have to rethink anything and added it to the report. Power-wise was decided due to cost restraints wouldn't be possible to be kinetic. About the electronics, an advanced chip would be needed, if a single was planned to be used it would be oval, or, if double would be used it would be double-curved. Due to cost restraints rubber wouldn't be acquired to be part of the prototype. As it would be needed, an integrated scroll wheel and 4 buttons each button should have a different color, these were needed to be checked due to cost constraints. If everything was made of plastic that would take the project to the over-budget stage.", "title": "Cost Restraints on the Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 70 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost restraints , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager ; Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if there was anything else to review. Industrial designer asked about the battery, and Project Manager answered there was no kinetic battery because of cost restraints. Project Manager asked if there was rubber in the buttons or any, Industrial Designer denied it. Project Manager said the project was over budget.", "title": "Cost Restraints on the Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 70 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager and Industrial Designer discussed the number and appearance of buttons on the remote control. Industrial Designer said twelve buttons would be a great estimate, so it could be cut to eight, then, to four. No matter the measurement of the rubber it would have 1 button per action. They also agreed that to cut more costs, one colour for the buttons would be enough.", "title": "Buttons Appearance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 105, 143 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about the status of the four buttons, Industrial Designer said there were going to be twelve buttons underneath of one piece of rubber, and that four was a good estimate. Also said it was like times the number of buttons, four, eight, twelve. Project Manager mentioned it would look like one big button or twelve. Industrial Designer stated it should be seen as one big single panel but underneath it would have one button for each action, also, the colour of the buttons could be taken away, so it would be the normal color with no differentiation at all in order to cut some cost off the project.", "title": "Buttons Appearance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 105, 143 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interface , display", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "For interface-wise, Project Manager suggested taking out the LC display, as TV functions were enough. Industrial Designer proposed to check the scroll button.", "title": "LC-Display Taken out of Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 36, 38 ], [ 82, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interface , display ; Lenght : Long", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manajer and Industrial Designer discussed interface display, arguing the LC display was important, however, Industrial Designer said due to costs, it could be taken away, and taht the only issue that needed to be reviewed was the scroll. Project manager agreed to take away the LCD.", "title": "LC-Display Taken out of Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 36, 38 ], [ 82, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "out of the box , button shape , positioning", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "About the device style, Marketing proposed to think out of the box. Industrial Designer suggested changing the button shape instead of button positioning.", "title": "Button's Shape and Positioning", "relevant_turns": [ [ 193, 212 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "out of the box , button shape , positioning", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing; think a little bit more out of the box, lots of devices, sort of stylized or in different concept. Industrial Designer; restrict the number of people who wanna try something. Industrial Designer, what about button shape? Square buttons? Industrial Designer, yeah button shape might be a good idea to change, rather than positioning; kinda engrained into the telephone kind of; pad.", "title": "Button's Shape and Positioning", "relevant_turns": [ [ 193, 212 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : is there anything else at all it can do ? That {disfmarker} 'cause that's that's fine . Just need to know so I can write it down . Okay um right I g I guess that's it , so we can now um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} We can now have a little look at the the Excel sheet and price listing , and see if we need to um if we need to rethink anything at all .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So um for this first part here power-wise , have we got battery ?", "Industrial Designer : The battery .", "Project Manager : Do we have kinetic as well ?", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : No . Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "Project Manager : just battery .", "Industrial Designer : We need an {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And that's because of cost restraints is it ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : Okay", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah advanced chip .", "Project Manager : um what about the electronics here ?", "Industrial Designer : We need an advanced chip I think , yep .", "Project Manager : Advanced chip .", "Industrial Designer : Let me just confirm that . Yes I think so . Yep .", "Project Manager : Okay um the case , what does it mean by single and double , do you know ?", "User Interface : Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So we want double-curved ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : Okay . Um .", "Industrial Designer : Plastic .", "Project Manager : Is there any rubber at all in the buttons or any", "Industrial Designer : I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber .", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "Project Manager : um and we wanted special colours didn't we ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : So I'll have to put that {disfmarker} Oh no wait we {disfmarker} ho how many colours have we got there ?", "Industrial Designer : For the case itself , one colour . It's one special colour .", "Project Manager : Just one colour , okay .", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause the case unit itself , the rest of our components go on top of it .", "Project Manager : Okay so interface-wise , is it this third option we have , the two of them there ?", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . One and the L_C_ display .", "Project Manager : Okay and then buttons , we have what , two colours ?", "Industrial Designer : How many {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Um we have um got some push buttons as well .", "Marketing : Or even clear .", "Industrial Designer : We've got push buttons as well .", "Project Manager : Like uh oh wait so push button and integrated scroll wheel push", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : okay .", "User Interface : So I reckon we've got one button for this thing 'cause it's just one big sheet of rubber .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "User Interface : I'm not sure if that counts but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay let's just be safe and put like say four buttons for that one .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay um and maybe a special colour for the buttons , so maybe four again .", "Project Manager : Four .", "User Interface : You can see we're we're all very far beyond the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So w why are we arriving at the number four ? Where does the number four come from ?", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause that's one button by its the complexity of twelve buttons .", "Project Manager : Okay right ,", "Industrial Designer : So we're just estimating that yeah it would be less .", "Project Manager : so we're writing down four . {vocalsound} Okay . How about these ? Are we wanting them in {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : no they're just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : is everything gonna be plastic ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : Okay . So we're w w quite far over .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Now we're gonna {disfmarker} something's gonna have to go . Um we're at sixteen point eight and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh how mm-hmm {disfmarker} how are we going to achieve this high-end product if {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well we h something has to go to the tune of two point t three Euro ,", "Marketing : We only have very sparse {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so let me see , what are we {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Two point three ? Four point three no ?", "Project Manager : oh yes sorry , four point three . My maths is all out .", "User Interface : Well we could take out ones by making it single curved , just fill in those bits .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : How much would that save us ?", "Marketing : And then where is the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : How much would that save us ?", "Industrial Designer : That will only save you one .", "User Interface : That is one .", "Industrial Designer : The other thing could be that um you could take away the L_C_D_ panel and the advanced chip together ,", "Project Manager : One .", "Industrial Designer : um because when you do something on the T_V_ , the T_V_ responds and reacts as well ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so the user could be looking at the T_V_ and pushing his thing so we may not need to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That's fair enough , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so when we scroll we need just some way to get the T_V_ to respond ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : which I think is a technically doable thing so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So w what's our reviewed suggestion ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um take away the L_C_ display ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep . And the advanced chip goes away as well .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : To be replaced with a", "Industrial Designer : Regular chip .", "Project Manager : regular chip .", "Industrial Designer : Yep . So what that means is that um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} And so we've got point three to get rid of . Um and we ha where are the four {disfmarker} the four push buttons are where exactly now ?", "Industrial Designer : The twelve buttons that you see there {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Twelve buttons .", "User Interface : That's um one piece of rubber but it's gonna have twelve button things underneath so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Functionally you're gonna have to intercept {disfmarker} So four is a good estimate for {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Do you think ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , so you can't actually cut {vocalsound} {disfmarker} It's like three times the number of buttons , four , eight , twelve .", "Project Manager : Like is is that one big button or is it twelve buttons ,", "Industrial Designer : It {disfmarker} It needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone , underneath there's actually one button underneath , it's just that the panel itself is a single panel .", "Project Manager : how can it be something in between ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm . Okay", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : well we have point three to get rid of somewhere .", "Industrial Designer : We just report that it has to be over budget {vocalsound} ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : or the colours , you could take away s colours for th for the buttons .", "Project Manager : No can do .", "Marketing : Yeah we could just go with um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah w", "Industrial Designer : Normal coloured buttons .", "Project Manager : Well do you want colour differentiation here ?", "Industrial Designer : No that's not the button we're talking about .", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah sorry yeah then . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : the buttons only refer to the pad so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Right so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Should we take that off uh ?", "Project Manager : Ah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Hey it's back to the original .", "Project Manager : That's it .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um so then these just become normal coloured buttons , so that might be some some way of cutting the cost .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay , ach that's a shame . {vocalsound} Um right , so take away that completely ? Ah . And now we're under budget . So we do have point five Euro to play with if we wanted .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So I reckon {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : How about with embossing the logo , isn't that going to cost us some money ?", "Project Manager : Doesn't say so . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . That's a freebie .", "User Interface : Reckon that probably counts as a special form for the buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah that's a good idea . Just one ? Does that mean that one button has a special form or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I think {gap} there's just one button so", "Project Manager : Yeah okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : handy {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Well well there we go . So I'm just gonna have to redraw this now . So we're not gonna have the L_C_D_ anymore , and we'll just gonna have an on t on the T_V_ it'll show you what you're doing , which I think is fair enough , and so this is gonna be one big thing here . Um .", "Marketing : Was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible ?", "Industrial Designer : What do you mean by profile ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Sort of flat as possible .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "User Interface : You see I envision it as being um quite deep", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : sort of {vocalsound} deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands rather than being wide and flat .", "Marketing : Yeah that's what I was thinking , to", "Industrial Designer : We didn't have enough Play-Doh to make it three D_ . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Sure , okay . Yeah alright yeah fair enough .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay , just thought I'd ask .", "Industrial Designer : So there's one more dimension to the thing which we need to to add ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and you might want to add in the report , length , width , and height .", "Project Manager : Right okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So just to well to be thorough then , width-wise we're looking at about what three centimetres or something ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay and then so height-wise {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : How how tall do you envisage it being ? About that big ?", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "User Interface : Yeah it works , yeah .", "Project Manager : About two centimetres , okay .", "Marketing : Two's not very high at all though .", "Industrial Designer : This is about this is about two .", "Marketing : Maybe a bit higher ?", "Industrial Designer : Slightly more than two , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : See , about that thick .", "Project Manager : Okay . Ach , that is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Maybe closer to three even or two and a half .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay we'll s we'll say two point five . Okay um so we have it within cost anyway . Um so yeah project evaluation is this point . Um .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Right uh . Okay so can we close that ? This is what it's {disfmarker} the final spec that it's gonna be . Someone is gonna have to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : yeah that's fine that's fine .", "Marketing : Um it's probably just {disfmarker} I dunno if it's worth getting into , but um just in in that we want this to be stylish , should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid , because I've seen there's lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard nine nine square grid , and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think that's something that's very hard to catch ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so you you restrict the number of people who wanna try something .", "Marketing : Sure , okay .", "Industrial Designer : The the look and the colour is something which is cool ,", "Marketing : Yeah , alright .", "Industrial Designer : but I think that there's also that factor of if it's too unfamiliar", "Marketing : Okay , sure .", "Industrial Designer : then um {disfmarker} because when you put it on the shelf {disfmarker}", "Marketing : What about button shape ? Square buttons ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah button shape might be a good idea to change , rather than rather than positioning ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : 'cause I think positioning is {disfmarker} we're kinda engrained into the the telephone kind of", "Marketing : Yeah . Sure .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : pad .", "Project Manager : Right um . So at this point we uh , let me see , discuss uh how satisfied we all are with um with these four points , with the room for creativity in the project , and leadership and teamwork , and the stuff we had around us I guess .", "Marketing : Mm 'kay .", "Project Manager : Um , let me see uh {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 59, "turns": [ 90, 233 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "possibility", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that liked using the Internet as alternative. User interface said that it had more sense. After that Marketing said that was a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year.", "title": "The Team Talking about the Possibilities", "relevant_turns": [ 29, [ 93, 120 ], 138 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "possibility", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing, talking about profit, the possibility, how many units, be sold, what percentage of the market. Industrial Designer, possibility of using, alternative, delivery and sales channel. User Interface, thinking the same, do a shipping centre somewhere, or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs; on the web, range of possibility. 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Industrial Designer wanted to use some alternative, for sales, the team agreed.", "title": "Team Discuss Sales Cost", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ], [ 93, 111 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "sales", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked about the cost to market it, they said that maybe they utilized some money for the sales. Later Industrial Designer said that wanted to use an alternative delivery and sales channel, which would be the internet, for promotion and ordered things, and the team agreed.", "title": "Team Discuss Sales Cost", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ], [ 93, 111 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "money", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "They were saving money. Industrial Designer asked about the marketing cost, Project Manager answered that they could use that money for marketing.", "title": "The Team's Plans to Save Money", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 11, 13 ], 47 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "money", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager, budget was twelve point five Euro, coming to nine point nine five Euro, saving some money. Industrial Designer, a lot of money to market it. Project Manager, for some money, utilise for, marketing, for the sales; negotiate with the vendors, get the production cost less, save some money, marketing, promotions.", "title": "The Team's Plans to Save Money", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 11, 13 ], 47 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "year", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "The marketing study evidenced that this market has an availability to absorb eight million units per year. Marketing said that if they had a target of two million the company would take twenty-five percent of the market in the first year, and if they surpassed that it could lower the price but they didn't project this over two years for the market changes.", "title": "Annual Sales Projections", "relevant_turns": [ [ 70, 72 ], 84, 138 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "year", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that with two million sold, the company took twenty-five percent in the first year but didn't project more because of the market changes.", "title": "Annual Sales Projections", "relevant_turns": [ [ 70, 72 ], 84, 138 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes , that uh {disfmarker} So I'll come back to the {disfmarker} {gap} So evaluation criteria , I think uh that will be good , so then let's come to the finance uh , I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget . So here you can uh look like uh the energy {gap} and uh {gap} dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells . Uh it's optional , somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print , that's what uh we were talking about that .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker , then uh we have the wood material , then special colour and push button . So it's uh {disfmarker} actually , our budget was uh twelve point five Euro , but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro , so we are under uh {disfmarker} below the budget , okay , so still we are saving some money . I think it's a good figure . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , great I {disfmarker} I'm surprised .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Congratulations . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Than thank you . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well we haven't come to mine yet , so {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh , okay", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : . It's gonna cost a long way to c you know , cost a lot of money to market it , is it ?", "Marketing : we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion , yes . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So maybe it's {disfmarker} for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing , for the sales , okay , and uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Well , it just depends on if we're gonna add a {vocalsound} o on this pr provisionary cost analysis , we do not have a L_C_ display . L_C_ display is gonna be very expensive ,", "User Interface : No we do , but it's not filled in .", "Marketing : it's gonna be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's not .", "Industrial Designer : Thirty .", "Marketing : It's not {disfmarker} it doesn't say .", "User Interface : It's number thirty .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : We don't have the price up there ,", "User Interface : Oh , yeah , yeah ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : you're right , sorry , yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : okay , so if we add approximately two to three Euro per remote , now we're up around about twelve , twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So that means we can put the uh {disfmarker} the L_C_D_ in , yeah .", "Marketing : Display in . But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also , and in mine you'll see uh {vocalsound} the problem with uh our survey , the p the possibility that how many units can be sold , what percentage of the market , etcetera etcetera because that {gap} has to be taken in into consideration .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh this is just production cost , it is not uh advertising cost , it's not transportation cost uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yes , so still uh we have twelve point five Euro .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And that will inflate quite a bit the cost of the uh {disfmarker} the cost of the unit for the company .", "Project Manager : Yes . {gap} Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yes . Yep .", "User Interface : Um-hmm .", "Marketing : So to come up with what the company wants is a fifty million Pound profit , we're gonna have to go a long ways .", "Project Manager : Yes . This we are talking about one unit , okay , so when it go into the quantity , okay , and the cost will come down .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yes .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Although customisation , because this is being done , you know , the on {disfmarker} on-order basis , it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uh", "Marketing : Slightly .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : It's gonna be very hard to reduce .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : the circuit board will b you're right , would be in producing quantity , but the cost of the case would uh {vocalsound} be fixed at the {disfmarker} Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro .", "Marketing : That's not bad . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's really {disfmarker} that's the cost of the material and lab wow , that's really outstanding .", "Project Manager : Yep . Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} But anyhow , still we are under control , okay , so what uh I will do is I will try to negotiate with the vendors , okay , to get uh the production cost less , okay , so then we can save some money , okay , to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions , whatever , okay , so that uh I will look after . I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down .", "Marketing : If we can go to to my display . And we'll come back to yours", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : just to give everybody an idea of the market . So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : If I'm still here .", "Project Manager : You're in four ?", "Marketing : {gap} Yep The four gives me {disfmarker} it's gotta be uh TrendWatch .", "Project Manager : TrendWatch .", "Industrial Designer : Is this the same one you did before ?", "Marketing : No .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : It shouldn't be", "User Interface : That's {disfmarker} no , I think it's the same one .", "Marketing : if it's not {disfmarker} it's not the right one . No , no we g no , that's the same one . You have to go back and find another one . Whatever name it popped up under .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Functional .", "Marketing : Uh functional , try functional , it might not be it either , but we'll see .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It looks like it , there's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} S Yeah .", "Marketing : Yep , that's it . So we'll go screen by screen .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Although {vocalsound} since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it {disfmarker} this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year . Okay ? Our internal company evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study .", "Project Manager : Yep . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So if we continue , we'll look at the findings . Next screen . {vocalsound} Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : which is actually a tremendous amount .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , no kidding . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No kidding , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mayb maybe they already expected something .", "Marketing : So , if we put an inflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro , okay , we're already in that that price , okay ,", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : with transport , promotion , labour , because we hav {gap} gi included the promotion in the cost , transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers .", "User Interface : Um-hmm .", "Marketing : Twenty-five percent of the market to get to two million units . At two million units , we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Yep .", "Marketing : Okay ? So , obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form , the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the {disfmarker} of the unit , the ease of use , speech recognition , cost , we've gone through these . Now , the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production . Or we project this over two years , but being that the market changes very very quickly , maybe there's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now .", "Project Manager : Yes . Yep . Of course .", "Marketing : So , now we have to come up with a decision .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Can the company sell two million units ?", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Marketing : Can it sell it for fifty Euros ?", "Industrial Designer : Could could I go to findings ?", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Uh uh um I would uh like to explore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and ordering", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I was thinking the same thing , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence .", "User Interface : Directly .", "Industrial Designer : That way you have no storage , you have no um {disfmarker} you do have transportation , still have the labour cost ,", "User Interface : Um-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : The point of sale is online .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : To the agents .", "User Interface : Yeah . You can do a shipping centre somewhere , or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs .", "Industrial Designer : Right , like Amazon . In fact , we should sell through Amazon ,", "Project Manager : Yes . Or eBay , or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : don't you think ? Or eBay , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : There's an idea .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's a good idea .", "Industrial Designer : Going with um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : To impro more profit and uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : S Upscale technology .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yes .", "Industrial Designer : Ah , we we're do you know , selling a unique product uh . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Well .", "User Interface : That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable , 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have , see maybe what other people have done , what the range of possibility as ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : There are several companies that have gone that way .", "User Interface : whereas if you're in a store , you can't {disfmarker} unless you're a highly imaginative person , you may not really know what it is you want ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : whereas on the web , if you have a bunch of pictures , it can sort of trigger ideas and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . And you can even have an {disfmarker} a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di the only thing that you're missing really is the weight .", "User Interface : Yeah . The weight and feel .", "Marketing : Weight , the feel of the product , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We're getting used to that . It's not quite like trying on a shoe , but people are getting used to buying things online that they can't touch before buying .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : There are several that have gone through with the watches , too . You can customise a watch , you can see how it is at the f at the end of the production ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh-huh .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : you can change it uh {disfmarker} There's a lot of online that's {disfmarker} that is doing this now .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : And when you're rotating , you'll look behind and look this way uh {disfmarker} it's possible to do with this , maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year , which could {vocalsound} you know , feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : We can .", "Industrial Designer : Great .", "Project Manager : I don't think that's uh not possible , it's uh {disfmarker} okay then , l uh let's wait for the production , okay , then uh you can evaluate the product , so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 9, "turns": [ 4, 140 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The meeting participants were discussing the remote control features. 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Creating the remote control used by everybody.", "title": "Why the International Remote Control Used by Everybody", "relevant_turns": [ [ 109, 111 ], 116 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , international , product features", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The Project Manager responsible for the meeting announced to the meeting participants that the main feature of the new remote control everybody was about to work on was it being international. The decision was justified by the project manager very shortly but it was strong. The remote control was supposed to be used by everyone. And not as a wish only but as a natural choice. The project manager said that everybody would have to use the new remote control the company was about to design. This was the main argument the Project manager used while the meeting occurred. It was the main reason. Creating the remote control used by everybody in the entire world. And the team would have to come up with innovative ideas about design of the special international remote control.", "title": "The Project Manager Vision for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 26 ], [ 109, 111 ], 116 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product price , cost , product features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The remote control's cost of production and its final price were a part of meeting subjects. The project manager established that the selling price of the remote control would be twenty-five euros thinking it was the good price for the device. The Industrial Manager and Marketing agreed the indicated price seemed to be quite reasonable. The Project manager stressed that the established price couldn't be higher because the new remote control was aimed to be sold in the entire world. The product costs would be not more than twelve euros and fifty cents.", "title": "The Production Cost and Sell Price of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 21 ], 26, 118, 124 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product price , cost , product features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The new remote control's cost of production and its final price were a very important part of meeting subjects. The project manager firmly established that the selling price of the planned remote control would be twenty-five euros and was very convinced that it was the good price for the innovative device that would be sold internationally and to everybody. The Industrial Manager and Marketing were surprised with the announcement but in the end agreed the indicated price expressing that it seemed to be quite reasonable. The Project manager stressed that the established price couldn't be higher because the new remote control was aimed to be sold in the entire world. The product costs would be not more than twelve euros and fifty cents and it was a priority to stick to the established budget. The main line was that the remote control could not be too expensive and the company wanted to maximize the benefit.", "title": "The Project Manager Budget Talk", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 21 ], 26, 116, 118, [ 122, 124 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So , I'll present myself , I'm Ada Longmund , and as you may know it , I'm the pr project manager . So um we will have to um speak about m the project . Our project project is to create um a new remote control and as you may know there's lot of industrials interesting in creating a remote control , so the remote control has to be original , trendy and um user-friendly . Record . So the project method is the following . So if we're um the functional design , you have to do uh any individual work and uh also work with uh meetings talking with each other . Uh it will be the same for the conceptual design and also the same for the detailed design . Uh .", "Project Manager : So the selling price of the product will be twenty five Euros . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Twenty five Euros ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : I think it's quite good price , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I it's it's reasonable , s quite {disfmarker} yeah . Twenty five .", "Marketing : It's reasonable , I think , yeah .", "Project Manager : And uh", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : it will uh be a an international remote control ,", "Industrial Designer : Is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : as we want to sell it in the entire world , and the product costs will be not more than twelve Euros and fifty centimes . So , as you will discuss about the remote control you will have to experience your um {disfmarker} with the remote control . Um just uh maybe be imaginative with {vocalsound} remote const con controls ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : try to create something new and people would like to to buy . And {vocalsound} and the next meeting will start in thirty minutes , so you'll ha all have your spethisfispis specif specific role and you know {disfmarker} I suppose you know what you have to do . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . I I hope so {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And when designing y the remote control just remember that uh it has to be a kind of international product . So you don't have to do something really specific ,", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : as everybody everybody will have to use it ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : it's sor the same as keyboards . You know , you have Qwerty , Azerty , French and U_K_ keyboard ,", "User Interface : Yeah . Mm .", "Project Manager : so really the remote control to be international .", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : And not too expensive .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . And uh simple .", "Project Manager : As we want to maximise the benefit .", "User Interface : And easy to use .", "Marketing : And you have to keep it under twelve Euros and f fifty , so .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , you have to keep in mind that the product cost won't be maxim more than twelve dot fifty Euros .", "User Interface : Ah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It should be {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That's the problem .", "User Interface : Okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : And to be sure that really people will be interested in buying a new remote control with maybe new functionalities that don't exist in the mm existing remote controls now .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So , is it okay ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm . It's clear ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 8, "turns": [ 17, 47 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "statements , members", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Members discussed mostly COVID-related problems that had an impact on the life of Canadians and the communities around the country. The Members express gratefulness to communities that showed to handle the pandemic well by helping each other in any way possible. The members also were grateful to essential workers, farmers, and residents of the city and praised national schools that educated members of Parliament. 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Statement promoting the federal government work with indigenous peoples was made, an invitation for Quebeck to establish adequate funding for indigenous police forces was issued.", "title": "Indigenous People", "relevant_turns": [ 6 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "heavily impacted groups", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The members discussed heavily impacted groups such as aboriginals who experienced incidents of police brutality. National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls were mentioned. Statement promoting the federal government's work with indigenous peoples was made. Quebeck was asked to establish funding for indigenous police forces. Hundreds of actions would have to be taken to restore confidence in law enforcement so as to achieve the long-overdue reconciliation.", "title": "Actions to Reconcile with Indigenous People", "relevant_turns": [ 6 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "graduation celebrations", "speaker": "Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde ( Orlans , Lib . )" }, "summary": "Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde acknowledged that new reality had to be faced what made witnessing the strength and resilience of graduates even more touching. Lalond expressed that the graduates and youth were the country's future and congratulated on all the graduates of 2020.", "title": "Lalond Congratulates on the Graduates", "relevant_turns": [ 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "graduation celebrations", "speaker": "Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde ( Orlans , Lib . )" }, "summary": "Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde expressed her gratefulness for tradition of being invited to the graduation ceremony every year. Lalonde acknowledged then that new reality had to be faced what made witnessing the strength and resilience of graduates even more touching. Lalond expressed that the graduates and youth were the country's future and congratulated on all the graduates of 2020.", "title": "Graduates of Today", "relevant_turns": [ 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Canadians", "speaker": "Mr. Peter Fonseca ( Mississauga EastCooksville , Lib ." }, "summary": "Mr. Peter Fonseca recognized contributions of Portuguese community. Fonseca noticed that the Portuguese community In Canada is spread from coast to coast and its number was as high as half a million. Fonseca thanked the community for its warmth, hard work and team spirit.", "title": "Portuguese Community in Canada referred by Mr. Peter Fonseca", "relevant_turns": [ 30 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Canadians", "speaker": "Mr. Peter Fonseca ( Mississauga EastCooksville , Lib ." }, "summary": "Fonseca said he was truly happy to recognize the great contributions made by Canadians of Portuguese descent. Fonseca expressed the wish to take opportunity to thank the luso community of over half a million members in Canada from coast to coast for staying strong during these difficult times. Fonseca underlined that the Portuguese community's warmth, hard work and team spirit resonated well across his riding of Mississauga EastCooksville and globally.", "title": "Peter Fonseca thanks Portuguese Community", "relevant_turns": [ 30 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "beautiful communities", "speaker": "Mr. Marc Dalton ( Pitt MeadowsMaple Ridge , CPC" }, "summary": "Mr. Marc Dalton said that Pitt Meadows was one of Canada's most beautiful communities. It consited of farmland, golf courses, parks and conservation areas. Its Pitt Lake was recognized as one of the largest freshwater tidal lakes in the world. The history of the community originated in the 1900s thanks to Dutch immigrants.", "title": "Beauty of Pitt Meadows", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "beautiful communities", "speaker": "Mr. Marc Dalton ( Pitt MeadowsMaple Ridge , CPC )" }, "summary": "Mr. Marc Dalton said that Pitt Meadows was one of Canada's most beautiful communities. It consisted of farmland, golf courses, parks, and conservation areas. Its Pitt Lake was recognized as one of the largest freshwater tidal lakes in the world. The history of the community originated in the 1900s thanks to Dutch immigrants who started growing cranberries and blueberries in the region. The community was located close to Vancouver and has one of the busiest aviation airports.", "title": "The Region of Pitt Meadows", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] } ], "source": [ "Mr. Paul Lefebvre (Sudbury, Lib.) : Mr. Chair, I just want to say thank you to the industrious people of Sudbury who have risen to the challenge and joined forces in the face of COVID-19. I am proud of all my constituents, and all Canadians, including first responders, volunteers, health care and essential workers, local miners, the farmers and produce growers who are feeding our families, and local businesses who are staying connected with their staff. I also salute all our homegrown innovations such as ProStitch and King Sportswear face masks; Crosscut Distillery hand sanitizer; Nobel Prize winner SNOLAB's work on ventilators, which earned a federal contract; Vale Canada's $1 million in seed capital to small firms developing COVID-19 health solutions; and many more. We are all in the same boat, but we will get out of it together.", "The Chair : We will now go to Mr. Dalton.", "Mr. Marc Dalton (Pitt MeadowsMaple Ridge, CPC) : Mr. Chair, Pitt Meadows is one of Canada's most beautiful communities. It's tucked in between the Fraser and Pitt rivers and is in the shadow of Golden Ears mountain. Most of the area consists of farmland, golf courses, parks and conservation areas. It also has Pitt Lake, which is among the largest freshwater tidal lakes in the world. Pitt Meadows' history dates back thousands of years with Katzie First Nation. In the 1900s Dutch immigrants drained and diked the marshes allowing for today's bumper crops of cranberries and blueberries. It's hard to believe that this community is only a short commute to Vancouver and has one of the nation's busiest general aviation airports. Last weekend the community came together to celebrate Pitt Meadows Day a little differently because of COVID. In a great show of community spirit, from their front yards and balconies, thousands of residents came out to cheer for first responders and essential workers as we paraded throughout the city. I am thankful to have raised my family here, taught in the schools and to now be the member of Parliament representing this wonderful community.", "The Chair : We will now go to Mr. Kelloway.", "Mr. Mike Kelloway (Cape BretonCanso, Lib.) : Mr. Chair, over the last few months I have watched constituents in my riding come together to look out for one another during these challenging times. Regardless of how deep and painful this pandemic has been, it continues to amaze me just how brightly the collective character of Cape BretonCanso shines through. Whether it is someone like Glen Muise, who delivers iPads to seniors' homes so they can connect with loved ones, teachers who deliver meals to students in need, Liam and Lucus Sakalauskas, two young boys who keep youth informed across the east coast, or Rose Fitzgerald, who delivered bouquets made from the remaining flowers from her shop to essential workers across her county, constituents in Cape BretonCanso have stepped up to support their community and to support those in need. Mr. Chair, as you know it is with great pride that I represent my constituents in Cape BretonCanso. The people in Cape Breton and northeastern Nova Scotia care deeply about one another. They know that as a community, we're only as strong as our most vulnerable people, and I cannot help but be filled with joy when I see these gestures happening across my riding. Thanks so much.", "The Chair : Ms. Brub, go ahead.", "Ms. Sylvie Brub (AbitibiBaie-JamesNunavikEeyou, BQ) : Mr.Chair, unacceptable incidents of police brutality against aboriginals have prompted former member Romeo Saganash, whose commitment I commend, to call for a commission of inquiry similar to the Viens commission in Quebec. The Bloc is open to the idea, but we shouldn't wait for such an inquiry to be recommended to take action. There are already potential solutions for taking action. Commissions have been issuing reports for decades, and Ottawa has been tabling them. Last year alone, the Viens report and the report stemming from the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls contained dozens of recommendations. The federal government must work with indigenous peoples, Quebec and the provinces to establish adequate funding for indigenous police forces. Civilian ethics organizations should be created to oversee the RCMP. Police officers and the general population must be better educated on indigenous realities and cultures. Hundreds of pages must be written and actions taken to restore confidence in law enforcement so as to achieve the long-overdue reconciliation. Let's take action.", "The Chair : I give the floor to Mr.MacKinnon.", "Mr. Steven MacKinnon (Gatineau, Lib.) : Mr.Chair, on behalf of myself and my parliamentary colleagues, I want to congratulate students from our high school class of 2020. We know that, owing to the pandemic, graduation celebrations will be different this year, as students will be deprived of their prom, their graduation ceremony and, in some cases, their goodbyes to friends and teachers. I know how disappointed students from the high schools of duVersant, LeCarrefour, Nicolas-Gatineau, de l'rablire, Collge Saint-Alexandre, Collge Nouvelles Frontires, Collge Saint-Joseph, Philemon-Wright and other regional schools, are not to be able to celebrate their five years of incredible efforts surrounded by their families and friends who were by their side on a daily basis. However, that takes nothing away from their accomplishment. So when they receive their diploma, here is what I will say to them: Surge ahead! The future belongs to you. Be ambitious, follow your dreams and, most importantly, continue to change the Outaouais and the world! The class of 2020 will be remembered for a long time.", "The Chair : We will now go to Mr. Morantz.", "Mr. Marty Morantz (CharleswoodSt. JamesAssiniboiaHeadingley, CPC) : Mr. Chair, I am delighted to rise to talk about the Bruce Oake Recovery Centre, which is now under construction in my riding in Winnipeg. This state-of-the-art addictions recovery facility was made into a reality by Scott, Anne and Darcy Oake in memory of their son and brother Bruce, who passed away tragically from an accidental overdose in 2011. The Bruce Oake Recovery Centre will provide help to thousands of Manitobans to manage their addiction and reintegrate into the community. I was proud to support this project when I voted for it during my time on Winnipeg City Council. The addictions crisis in Canada needs action. With approximately eight million Canadians suffering from addictions, we need centres like these to help them recover so that no other family will face a heartbreaking loss due to addiction. I want to congratulate the Oakes for their commitment to making recovery for many a reality. Addictions affect us all, and we all have a part to play in contributing to the solution.", "The Chair : We will now go to Mr. Jowhari.", "Mr. Majid Jowhari (Richmond Hill, Lib.) : Mr. Chair, I would like to recognize the compassion and generosity demonstrated in my riding of Richmond Hill. Week after week residents and organizations have come together to support our most vulnerable during a time of great difficulty. I want to thank the champions of the community who were generous enough to donate masks and other supplies as well as services. I would also like to recognize the charities and care centres which, upon receiving these donations, redoubled their efforts to serve their communities. Special thanks go to the Mon Sheong Foundation Long-Term Care Centre, Divine Favour Senior Homecare, the Community & Home Assistance to Seniors, the True Compassion Home Health centre, Blue Door, the Mosaic Interfaith Out of the Cold program, Yellow Brick House, Hill House Hospice, Community Living York South, and Parya Trillium Foundation for continuing to support the residents in my riding of Richmond Hill. The compassionate generosity demonstrated by these donors and organizations makes me proud to represent my community in Parliament.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Madam Lalonde.", "Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde (Orlans, Lib.) : Thank you, Mr.Chair. Usually, at this time of the year, I have the pleasure of being invited to the graduation ceremony of the grade12 students in Orlans. However, we will all have to adapt to a new reality this year. I cannot express enough how, in these exceptional times, I have witnessed the strength, resilience and community spirit of our graduates. I also know that a number of high schools have made significant efforts to celebrate the success of their graduating class. Young graduate Maryanne Collard was amazed to see that people from her school, the cole secondaire catholique Batrice-Desloges, had installed a sign in her garden to congratulate her on her academic success. As we move forward we must not forget that youth in this country are our future. We have a responsibility to be there for them and to believe in them. We will not fail. I thank the teachers, the support staff and school management who are continuing to do their work. Congratulations to all graduates of 2020.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Mr. Vis.", "Mr. Brad Vis (MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon, CPC) : Mr. Chair, COVID-19 has changed and challenged how we go about our daily lives. For many this includes a shift to working from home or attending school remotely. The sad reality is that even before the crisis hit, most rural Canadians simply did not have access to a strong and stable Internet connection, even though Internet is an essential service. Those in underserved areas, including many parts of MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon, cannot work from home and their children cannot keep up with their classmates. For many of my indigenous constituents, Internet services are stuck in the 1990s because telecom companies don't want to serve them. I, along with my colleagues, launched community consultations to address this critical issue and provide solutions. We call on the government to outline and implement a concrete action plan to address Internet connectivity deficits between rural and urban Canada. This is an issue I will continue to press on until results are achieved.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Mr. McLeod.", "Mr. Michael McLeod (Northwest Territories, Lib.) : Mr. Chair, Canada has been awarded its first-ever Equator Prize from the United Nations Development Programme. Congratulations go to Lutsl K' Dene First Nation and the Northwest Territory Mtis Nation, with support from Deninu K'ue First Nation and the Yellowknives Dene First Nation, for the establishment of the Thaidene Nn territorial protected area. It's 14,000 square kilometres of the most beautiful land and waters you'll find anywhere on earth. I would also like to thank the previous minister of the environment for securing Canada's $7.9-million commitment, along with our visit to celebrate the new park last year. The award is given to groups that have exemplified actions to protect critical ecosystems and biodiversity for generations to come and to show how indigenous peoples and local communities have confronted legacies of disadvantage and discrimination in support of their communities and the world at large. Congratulations to Lutsl K'.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Ms. Falk.", "Mrs. Rosemarie Falk (BattlefordsLloydminster, CPC) : Mr. Chair, the Liberal government has tabled $87 billion in spending and allocated just four hours for Parliament to study, debate and pass it. The allocated time is wholly inadequate. Canadians deserve to know how that money is being spent. They deserve to know that this government spending was scrutinized and passed through the rigours of Parliament. It is Canadian taxpayers of today and tomorrow who will have the responsibility to pay for this government's spending. It is Canadian workers and businesses who will have to do the hard work of rebuilding our economy. It is real Canadians who fall through the cracks when this Liberal government's programs fail to meet their intended goals. A rubber stamp under the guise of health and safety is not democracy. Canadians are owed better. Just as we gather four days a week for a hybrid committee meeting, parliamentarians can gather to do the full scope of the work that Canadians elected us to do.", "The Chair : We now go to Mr. Godin.", "Mr. Jol Godin (PortneufJacques-Cartier, CPC) : Thank you, Mr.Chair. Our planet is dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic. Our daily lives have been turned upside down. I am thinking of you, our seniors, valuable individuals who built our country. You have gone through a very restrictive confinement. You have had to sacrifice time spent with your families. Our students also had to adapt. Their school year was turned on its head. Our graduating class, especially, saw their dream of a proper graduation vanish. The future belongs to them. They must follow their dreams. I want to say to all the essential staff and the many support organizations that they are really changing things. We have all taken on our important responsibility, that of following the guidelines. The results have been most compelling in my riding. I want to say how proud I am to represent you here, in the Canadian Parliament. I thank each and everyone of you. You are helping PortneufJacques-Cartier flourish. You have shown resilience, creativity, innovation and solidarity. That is commendable. Together, we will get through this ordeal and come out stronger.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Ms. Gazan.", "Ms. Leah Gazan (Winnipeg Centre, NDP) : Mr. Chair, today I rise to honour Justice 4 Black Lives Winnipeg, led by women and non-binary individuals, who stood together and mobilized our city to state clearly that we will not stand by and stay silent in the face of police brutality. We will not stand by in the face of systemic racism. We will not stand by while we witness our bodies being abused by centuries of racism supported through legislation that has left us vulnerable at the hands of those who abuse their power. We will speak out against police violence. We will speak out against systemic racism. We will join together to ensure that laws are instituted that are designed to protect us, not abuse us. We will call out those who abuse their power. We will rise. We will rise. We will rise. To all the women and non-binary folks who are standing, I say, let's continue to sound our voices in solidarity and support of one another until indigenous and black lives are honoured and respected. Our liberation is intertwined. Solidarity.", "The Chair : Mrs.DeBellefeuille, go ahead.", "Mrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (SalaberrySurot, BQ) : Mr.Chair, this is not the time for governments to get complacent about COVID-19. However, the last few days have shown that we are once again dealing with a reckless Prime Minister. First, he locked down Parliament to avoid being accountable to the opposition, while the economic recovery must be prepared. He is refusing to provide an economic update, even though the Parliamentary Budget Officer is calling for it. We need to know how much flexibility we have in case of a second wave of the pandemic. He is refusing to hold a first ministers meeting on unconditional health transfers. The increase Quebec needs is for hiring health care staff before a second wave, and not after it. Finally, today, he is refusing to negotiate with any party to get his bill passed. He is behaving as if he had a majority government. This is not a time for recklessness. Governing means anticipating. I am asking the Prime Minister to pull himself together.", "The Chair : We will now go to Mr. Uppal.", "Hon. Tim Uppal (Edmonton Mill Woods, CPC) : Mr. Chair, I rise to give thanks and recognition to the contributions of many businesses and organizations across my riding of Edmonton Mill Woods that have stepped up in a major way during this pandemic. I joined my friends in the Filipino community who partnered with Mill Woods' Calvary Community Church to deliver care packages to seniors. Varinder Bhullar and his Green Scholars of Alberta team and Dil-E-Punjab restaurant provided thousands of free meals. Sikh Youth Edmonton delivered free groceries to families, seniors and students. Edmonton Towing and its full team with Dukh Nivaran Gudwara prepared food packages for any truckers who were coming through Edmonton. The Bhartiya Cultural Society Hindu temple provided free meals to anyone who needed them. Punjab Insurance and The Punjab chain of restaurants provided free meals in downtown Edmonton. The staff, nurses and doctors of Grey Nuns Community Hospital in the heart of Mill Woods have been keeping people safe and healthy. I want to thank our Mill Woods community as a whole for its continued strength, resilience and compassion as we move forward together.", "The Chair : We'll now proceed to Mr. Fonseca.", "Mr. Peter Fonseca (Mississauga EastCooksville, Lib.) : Mr. Chair, today is Portugal Day, celebrated both in Portugal and around the world by Portuguese. In Canada, June has been recognized as Portuguese Heritage Month. We're truly happy to recognize the great contributions made by Canadians of Portuguese descent. This year is a difficult one, though, for all of us, including our Portuguese diaspora community across the globe that is deeply affected by the COVID situation. Our prayers and well wishes are with everyone. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our luso community of over half a million members in Canada from coast to coast for staying strong during these difficult times. Your warmth, hard work and team spirit resonate well across my riding of Mississauga EastCooksville and globally. As a Portuguese immigrant who came to Canada at the age of two with my family, I know this year will be a lot different from previous years. I encourage all of you to stay safe and enjoy a Portuguese meal, and please continue to support our local businesses." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 8, "turns": [ 305, 314 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh the selling price for the remote will be uh twenty five Euro , and the production cost uh may not be more than uh twenty and a half Euro . So uh from my point of view , I don't think it's uh gonna be very uh very high tech , high definition , uh ultra modern uh kinda remote , for twelve uh fift uh twelve and a half Euro .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh the profit we must make with uh the new remote is uh fifty million Euro . So that's a lot . 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Also, due to the COVID-19 crisis, the government would support in several ways: protecting the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades, funding for forestry industry, supporting small businesses to provide essential services and other businesses with PPE, and helping small businesses to reduce their rent.", "title": "Government Support for Energy Resources, Tourism, Green Economy and Small Businesses", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 10 ], 79, [ 87, 88 ], [ 94, 111 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "government support , energy resources , tourism , funding , green economy , small businesses", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Quebec was Canada's biggest producer of hydroelectricity, it could reduce environmental footprint and further cut greenhouse gas emissions, so government was continuing to work towards that end. Prime Minister desired to launch an economic recovery plan that fast-tracks the transition to a green economy, but may seem like a convenient post-crisis political pitch. When it came to the COVID-19 crisis, government would support in several aspects: dairy producers would receive fair compensation, it was going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades, it introduced funding for forestry industry, which the one best positioned to make the energy transition, also the government would continue to support small businesses working with the provinces and territories to provide essential services and other businesses with PPE, and helping small businesses through a program that allowed for small businesses to significantly reduce their rent and for landlords to be protected with up to 75% of the rent.", "title": "Government Support for Energy Resources, Tourism, Green Economy and Small Businesses", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 10 ], 79, [ 87, 88 ], [ 94, 111 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "current situation , tourism sector , government", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. Jacques Gourde said that the economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry. Hon. Mlanie Joly confirmed that the government was going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades, in order to ensure Canada's tourist regions were ready by the time the economy reopenedand. Hon. Mlanie Joly also said they had to work together to find ways to get the tourism sector moving again.", "title": "Government Response to Tourism Situation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "current situation , tourism sector , government", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. Jacques Gourde stated that the economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry, and thousands of Canadians would have to find new jobs. In response, Hon. Mlanie Joly confirmed that the government was going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades to ensure Canada's tourist regions were ready when the economy reopened, and said they had to work together to find ways to get the tourism sector moving again.", "title": "Government Response to Tourism Situation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Canadian government , small businesses", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "There were some expressed concerns from the small business owners, such as the rent payment when the landlords refused to participate in the rent assistance program, as well as not meeting the PPE requirements to keep their employees and customers safe. In response, Bill Morneau said the Canadian government was encouraging landlords to support the rent assistance program to allow small businesses to reduce their rent and for landlords to be protected with up to 75% of the rent. Also, the Canadian government would continue to support small businesses working with the provinces and territories to provide essential services and other businesses with PPE.", "title": "Canadian Government Help for Small Businesses", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 93 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Canadian government , small businesses", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Small business owners were very concerned that their landlords refused to participate in the rent assistance program, Hon. Bill Morneau said they were encouraging landlords to support this measure, to allow small businesses to reduce their rent and for landlords to be protected. Also, the government would continue to support small businesses working with the provinces and territories to provide essential services and other businesses with PPE.", "title": "Canadian Government Help for Small Businesses", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 93 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy transition , forestry", "speaker": "Mr. Mario Simard , Hon . Seamus O'Regan" }, "summary": "Mr. Mario Simard expressed concern regarding the economic recovery plan to fast-track the transition to a green economy, because on the natural resources front the government's main announcements primarily involved fossil fuels, which raised the question of how the government reconciled that with the transition to a green economy. Then, Mr. Mario Simard said the best positioned industry to make that energy transition was probably the forestry industry, and asked if the natural resources minister committed to provide the forestry industry with the same amount of liquidity available to the fossil fuel sector. Hon. Seamus O'Regan answered they introduced funding for forestry, including traditional investments to make sure the forestry sector innovates, diversifies and grows. Hon. Seamus O'Regan also mentioned they had been working closely with the CEOs and heads of the forestry sectors.", "title": "Mr. Mario Simard's and Hon. Seamus O'Regan's Approach to Forestry Industry as Energy Transition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 79, 81 ], [ 87, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy transition , forestry", "speaker": "Mr. Mario Simard , Hon . Seamus O'Regan" }, "summary": "Mr. Mario Simard expressed concern regarding the announcement the Prime Minister made, expressing his desire to launch an economic recovery plan to fast-track the transition to a green economy, which, according to Mr. Mario Simard, seemed a convenient post-crisis political pitch because on the natural resources front the government's two main announcements primarily involved fossil fuels, which raised the question of how the government reconciled that with the transition to a green economy. Then, Mr. Mario Simard said the best positioned industry to make the energy transition was probably the forestry industry, but unfortunately, in Canada petro statethere always seemed to be two sets of rules when it came to helping key industries, including providing liquidity support. Mr. Mario Simard asked the natural resources minister if he committed to provide the forestry industry with the same amount of liquidity available to the fossil fuel sector. In response, Hon. Seamus O'Regan said they introduced funding through the strategic innovation fund specifically for forestry, and included traditional investments to make sure the forestry sector innovated, diversified and grew. Hon. Seamus O'Regan also mentioned they had been working closely with the forestry industry CEOs and heads of the forestry sectors from all over Canada and that they would keep working on it.", "title": "Mr. Mario Simard's and Hon. Seamus O'Regan's Approach to Forestry Industry as Energy Transition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 79, 81 ], [ 87, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "landlords", "speaker": "Mr. Marc Dalton , Hon . Bill Morneau" }, "summary": "Mr. Marc Dalton and Hon. Bill Morneau discussed the concern of small business owners when their landlords refused to participate in the rent assistance program, and how the government would encourage landlords to support the rent assistance program, which allowed for small businesses to significantly reduce their rent and for landlords to be protected with up to 75% of the rent.", "title": "Marc Dalton's and Bill Morneau's View on Landlord's Assistance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "landlords", "speaker": "Mr. Marc Dalton , Hon . Bill Morneau" }, "summary": "Mr. Marc Dalton said small business owners were very concerned that their landlords refused to participate in the rent assistance program, as those businesses had seen revenue drops between 50% and 100% and were asking for 25% off their rent. Then, Mr. Marc Dalton asked when would the government help small businesses whose landlords refused to participate in the program. Hon. Bill Morneau answered that rent and landlord-tenant relations were under provincial jurisdiction, and mentioned the government was encouraging landlords to support the measures designed to be of assistance, such as the rent assistance program, which allowed for small businesses to significantly reduce their rent and for landlords to be protected with up to 75% of the rent.", "title": "Marc Dalton's and Bill Morneau's View on Landlord's Assistance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 91 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Mr. Bruce Stanton : Next, we have Jacques Gourde.", "Mr. Jacques Gourde (LvisLotbinire, CPC) : Thank you, Mr.Chair. Quebec is Canada's biggest producer of hydroelectricity, a renewable energy that is the pride of the Quebec nation. The only problem is that it seems to be a tough sell west of Quebec, in Ontario, for instance. This competitively priced power could help us reduce our environmental footprint and further cut greenhouse gas emissions. Will the government show leadership and allow Canada's provinces to share renewable energy through an energy corridor, as we proposed?", "Hon. Bill Morneau : Mr.Chair, we are continuing to work towards that end. It is always very important to protect Canadians, and we are going to stick to that approach.", "Mr. Jacques Gourde : Mr.Chair, Canada's dairy processors have been hit hard by the COVID-19 crisis and the new CanadaU.S.Mexico Agreement, or CUSMA. Some of them have incurred losses ranging from 10% to 50%, depending on the processed product. Will the government commit to granting import permits under CUSMA to Canada's dairy processors, not retailers directly?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, I can assure you that dairy producers will receive fair compensation. I should also point out that we preserved supply management when negotiating the new NAFTA. That is important to Canada and Quebec, and I'm very pleased that we were able to do that.", "Mr. Jacques Gourde : Mr.Chair, the minister seems to be missing the issue in hand. Canada's dairy processors invest hundreds of millions of dollars a year to bring high-quality products to consumers, while contributing $19billion to GDP. Now those very processors are being asked to try to export Canadian value-added products. Will the minister commit to giving Canada's dairy processors import permits, instead of encouraging American multinationals?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, I'd like to thank the member for his question. I fully understand, as we all do, the important role processors play in our system and our country. I can assure the members of the House that we will continue to work with Canadian processors as the agreement comes into force.", "Mr. Jacques Gourde : Mr.Chair, when it comes to the COVID-19 crisis, what Canadians will remember is that those with access to reliable high-speed Internet will have fared better, feeling less financial strain, than those who are cut off from the rest of the world. Is the government ready to invest in making high-speed Internet available to all Canadians, no matter where they live in the country?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef : Yes, we are, Mr. Chair.", "Mr. Jacques Gourde : Mr.Chair, the current economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry. The pain will be felt by thousands of Canadians, who will have to find new jobs in order to survive. Is the government going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades to ensure Canada's tourist regions are ready when the economy reopens?", "Hon. Mlanie Joly : Yes.", "Mr. Bruce Stanton : Ms. Joly, you have to switch to the French channel and turn on your microphone.", "Hon. Mlanie Joly : Yes, I look forward to working with my fellow member on this issue. I know the tourism sector is important to him and, especially, his constituents. Let's work together to find ways to get this hard-hit sector moving again. Many people have lost their jobs and need assistance from the government. That is why we're here, providing a helping hand at this difficult time so they can come out the other side.", "The Chair : It is now over to Mr.Simard.", "Mr. Mario Simard (Jonquire, BQ) : Thank you, Mr.Chair. A few weeks ago, the Prime Minister made a big announcement expressing his desire to launch an economic recovery plan that fast-tracks the transition to a green economy. MinisterGuilbeault, MinisterMcKenna and MinisterWilkinson were appointed to a group tasked with doing just that. Today, I worry that the group is nothing but an empty shell, a convenient post-crisis political pitch. On the natural resources front, the government's two main announcements primarily involve fossil fuels. We need only think of the $1.7billion being invested to clean up orphan wells. Perhaps there is an environmental component, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around yesterday's announcement by Export and Development Canada. It's going to lend TC Energy $500million to build its Coastal GasLink pipeline. That's $500million for a pipeline project that will eventually produce 8.6million tonnes of greenhouse gases annually. How does the government reconcile that with its desire to transition to a green economy?", "The Chair : The honourable minister has the floor.", "Hon. Jonathan Wilkinson (North Vancouver, Lib.) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much for the question. Certainly at this time, Canadians are most particularly focused on ensuring that support is provided so that they can put food on the table and pay their rent. We are starting to focus on the relaxation measures in many provinces and territories in Canada. That is the primary focus of the government, as it is of Canadians. Certainly as we move forward, we need to be thinking about the kind of society and economy that we want to create for the future. In that context, we need to learn lessons coming out of this experience, and certainly we need to ensure that we are addressing challenges that are on the horizon, including the challenge of climate change. Those are conversations that will need to be had as we move beyond this phase of the crisis, but at the current time, the focus is clearly on combatting the virus.", "The Chair : Ms.Pauz has a point of order.", "Ms. Monique Pauz (Repentigny, BQ) : There was absolutely no interpretation while the minister was speaking.", "The Chair : Since so many are having issues with the interpretation, let's take a quick break while I try to fix the problem on my end. I'm going to ask the minister to repeat his answer, and we'll see whether the interpretation comes through this time. If not, please let me know, Ms.Pauz and anyone else who doesn't hear it.", "Hon. Jonathan Wilkinson : Of course, the issues of the future are very important. That means not just climate change, but also other challenges that we saw during the coronavirus crisis, challenges we need to take into account. Now, I think Canadians want us to take the time to focus on what is currently going on. We have put rules in place to protect Canadians. We really need to think about this. We need a plan. Of course, we need to think about the future, but I want Canadians", "The Chair : Mr.Simard has the floor.", "Mr. Mario Simard : Thank you, Mr.Chair. I want to tell you that, of all industries, the one best positioned to make the energy transition is probably the forestry industry. Unfortunately, in Canadaa petro statethere always seem to be two sets of rules when it comes to helping key industries, including providing liquidity support. Yesterday's announcement suggests that the $500million being provided by EDC is for a single project: Coastal GasLink. In 2017, under the softwood lumber action plan, EDC's entire budget for the forestry industry was exactly $500million. Now, EDC is shelling out $500million for just one project, Coastal GasLink, even though the whole of the forestry industry also received $500million when it needed EDC's support under a 2017 action plan to deal with tariffs. The industry accounts for 58,000jobs in Quebec and $6billion of Quebec's GDP. As I see it, there is a fundamental inequity. My question is for the natural resources minister. Does he think this situation is fair? Will he commit to providing the forestry industry with the same amount of liquidity being made available to the fossil fuel sector?", "Hon. Seamus O'Regan : Mr.Chair, since 2017, our government has invested billions of dollars. I'll answer the question in English. Sorry. We launched our softwood lumber action plan to support workers in communities. We introduced funding through the strategic innovation fund specifically for forestry. Building on our work today, we have included traditional investments to make sure this sector innovates, diversifies and grows. Over these past two and a half months, I have spent an inordinate amount of time with CEOs, with heads of the forestry sectors from coast to coast to coast. A few days ago, I convened a meeting of CEOs from all parts of this country, from Quebec to British Columbia, to talk to them about solutions, about answers. The liquidity measures that were announced yesterday will help some of them. We will continue to work closely with industry to make sure we are there for them and that we stand by them through the COVID crisis, so we make sure that", "The Chair : The next question will go to Mr. Dalton.", "Mr. Marc Dalton (Pitt MeadowsMaple Ridge, CPC) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm hearing from small business owners like Joel, who runs a fitness club here in Pitt MeadowsMaple Ridge, and is very concerned that their landlords refuse to participate in the rent assistance program. These businesses have seen revenue drops between 50% and 100% and are asking for just 25% off their rent. When will the government help small businesses whose landlords refuse to be team players during this pandemic?", "Hon. Bill Morneau : Mr. Chair, first of all, we share the member's concern that small businesses be supported. That's why we've moved forward with a number of measures that are designed to be of assistance. With respect to rent support, we are encouraging landlords to support this measure. Obviously, rent and landlord-tenant relations are under provincial jurisdiction. At every opportunity I talk to the provincial finance ministers to encourage them to get engaged there. We will continue to support small businesses. We believe this program has significant merit. It allows for small businesses to significantly reduce their rent and for landlords to be protected with up to 75% of the rent. We think it is an excellent program. It will require the provinces to step forward and enforce it.", "Mr. Marc Dalton : Mr. Chair, here in B.C., businesses are preparing for phased reopening. A number of my constituents, including Kathy, who owns a beauty salon, are concerned about meeting the PPE requirements. What is the federal government doing to ensure businesses in my riding can get access to the PPE they need to keep their employees and customers safe when they reopen?", "Hon. Anita Anand : Mr. Chair, as a federal government, we are aggressively buying life-saving equipment and supplies. Our first priority is to provide PPE to our front-line health care workers. However, we are actively involved in trying to ascertain how the federal government can work with the provinces and territories to provide essential services and other businesses with PPE.", "Mr. Marc Dalton : Mr. Chair, Craig and Matt are co-owners of Wanstalls, a firearms retail outlet in downtown Maple Ridge that employs eight people and serves thousands of law-abiding firearm owners in my riding, people who are now made to feel like criminals by the Liberal government. Further, they are now stuck with tens of thousands of dollars of inventory that they can no longer sell. What are they supposed to do to keep open in this already tumultuous COVID environment?", "Hon. Bill Blair : It's important to understand that none of the restrictions that we have put in place, the new prohibitions, in any way impact weapons that are used for the lawful purposes in Canada of hunting and sport shooting, so those weapons remain available to Canadians engaged in those lawful activities. We have prohibited weapons that were not intended for the legal purposes of hunting and sport shooting and for which firearms are available to Canadians. What we prohibited were weapons designed for another purpose, an unacceptable purpose.", "Mr. Marc Dalton : Mr. Chair, according to the CERB website, if a recipient earns over $1,000 in a reporting period, their entire $2,000 benefit must be repaid. I have constituents who are working part time and casually. They're worried that if they take an extra shift, they will lose their CERB, but if they refuse a shift, they will also lose their CERB. It's a classic Liberal catch-22. A worker may unknowingly make over the $1,000 by a couple of dollars. Does the government intend to make them repay all their CERB if they barely go over the threshold?", "Hon. Carla Qualtrough : Mr. Chair, that is why we're working with individual eligible CERB recipients to make sure they are not put in positions of undue hardship. At the beginning, the registration restricted it to basically not working, and then we relaxed the condition to earning up to $1,000. I can assure the member that we will work with individuals. Service Canada is reaching out to people so that nobody is in the difficult position he is talking about.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe (Lac-Saint-Jean, BQ) : I have a point of order, Mr.Chair.", "The Chair : There's a point of order.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : There were some technical issues earlier during my fellow member Mario Simard's turn. Normally, each person gets five minutes. According to our calculations, he had about 45seconds left. This is a serious point of order. We shouldn't get the short end of the stick because we speak French in the House. Thank you, Mr.Chair.", "The Chair : All right. We'll check what happened, but I had stopped the clock.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : I assure you he lost some time.", "The Chair : The minister had to repeat his answer. We'll check and make sure it doesn't happen again. The good thing is that this is all being filmed, so we can watch the video back to see what happened.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : Mr.Chair, because the ministers chose to answer in French owing to a technical issue, their answers were unduly drawn out, which cost my fellow member speaking time. I think he should be given a chance to ask one last question, to be fair. Otherwise, French speakers are going to be at a major disadvantage.", "The Chair : As I said, I'll check what happened and we'll have a solution for next time.", "Hon. Steven Guilbeault : I have a point of order, Mr.Chair.", "The Chair : We have another point of order. Mr.Guilbeault now has the floor.", "Hon. Steven Guilbeault : I hope the member isn't suggesting that, because some members of the House are making an effort to speak French, they are unduly dragging out the time, as he seems to have said. Good for them, I say, for trying to speak a language they aren't necessarily comfortable in for the benefit of other members.", "The Chair : I think a debate is brewing, but I'm sure that's not what people want, so I don't want an argument to break out over the fact that different languages are being spoken. We'll look into what happened and fix the problem so it doesn't happen again. We will go back to Mr. Dalton. You have about 30 seconds for a question. Thank you. Mr.Chair, many farmers in my riding and elsewhere are afraid they won't have enough workers this summer and fall. What is the government going to do to make sure those receiving the CERB and CESB have the right information and know about the job opportunities in the agri-food sector in our communities?", "The Chair : The honourable minister has 15seconds to answer.", "Hon. Carla Qualtrough : Mr. Chair, I can assure the member that while we are supporting Canadians through both the CERB and the CESB, we are creating tens of thousands of jobs, including in the agriculture sector, to make sure there is labour available in this important and essential sector." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 56, "turns": [ 1022, 1146 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "slow", "speaker": "Grad A , Postdoc B" }, "summary": "Grad A said that there was a version that actually displayed all the channels but it was hideously slow and used much memory. 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It's not slow at all; But the problem with it is the drawing of those waveforms is so slow that every time you do anything it just crawls; Postdoc B; That's a consideration.", "title": "Multitrans Version with All Channels", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wave form", "speaker": "PhD D , Grad A" }, "summary": "PhD D asked if there was any hope for displaying the wave form and was wondering if they could display things other than the wave form like maybe had a feature stream and it was just a unidimensional feature, varying in time and they plotted that instead of the whole wave form. Grad A said not if they were going to use Tcl-TK at least not if they were going to use Snack and suggested they see Dan's work if they really needed the display.", "title": "Suggestions for Wave Form Alternatives", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "wave form", "speaker": "PhD D , Grad A" }, "summary": "PhD D asked if there was any hope for displaying the wave form. Grad A said not if they were going to use Tcl-TK at least or if they were going to use Snack.", "title": "Suggestions for Wave Form Alternatives", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "patches", "speaker": "Professor C , Grad A" }, "summary": "Professor C asked if there was some way to have someone write patches in something faster. Grad A said they could do that because they could write widgets.", "title": "Writing and Linking Patches", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "patches", "speaker": "Professor C , Grad A" }, "summary": "Professor C asked if there was some way to have someone write patches in something faster and link it or something. Grad A said it was not easy but they could do that because they could write widgets and try doing it that way but suggested they did it with Dan's but if that wasn't enough they could do it otherwise.", "title": "Writing and Linking Patches", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor C , PhD D" }, "summary": "Professor C suggested that they did digits and then they would turn off the mikes. PhD D actually had to leave at three-thirty but could wait for the digits but could not stay for the discussion and PhD D would be around just had to make a call.", "title": "Digits and Discussion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 97, 124 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor C , PhD D" }, "summary": "Professor C suggested doing digits and having a discussion. PhD D could wait for digits but wouldn't stay for the discussion.", "title": "Digits and Discussion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 97, 124 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad A : Um , did you guys get my email on the multitrans ? That {disfmarker} OK .", "Postdoc B : Isn't that wonderful ! Yeah .", "Grad A : Yeah . So . So . I {disfmarker} I have a version also which actually displays all the channels .", "Postdoc B : Excellent ! Thank you !", "PhD D : It 's really great .", "Grad A : But it 's hideously slow .", "Postdoc B : So you {disfmarker} this is n Dan 's patches , Dan Ellis 's patches .", "Grad A : The {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} the ones I applied , that you can actually do are Dan 's , because it doesn't slow it down .", "PhD D : M", "Postdoc B : Fantastic !", "Grad A : Just uses a lot of memory .", "PhD D : So when you say \" slow \" , does that mean to {disfmarker}", "Grad A : No , the {disfmarker} the one that 's installed is fine . It 's not slow at all . I wrote another version . Which , instead of having the one pane with the one view , It has multiple panes {pause} with the views .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : But the problem with it is the drawing of those waveforms is so slow that every time you do anything it just crawls .", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : It 's really bad .", "PhD D : It 's {disfmarker} So , it {disfmarker} it 's the redrawing of the w", "Postdoc B : That 's a consideration .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : oh uh - huh , w as you move .", "Grad A : As you play , as you move , as you scroll . Just about anything , and it {disfmarker} it was so slow it was not usable . So that 's why I didn't install it and didn't pursue it .", "Postdoc B : And this 'll be a {disfmarker} hav having the multiwave will be a big help cuz {disfmarker} in terms of like disentangling overlaps and things , that 'll be a big help .", "PhD D : Oh yeah .", "Grad A : So . I think that the one Dan has is usable enough .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad A : It doesn't display the others . It displays just the mixed signal .", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : But you can listen to any of them .", "Postdoc B : That 's excellent . He also has version control which is another nice", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Postdoc B : e so you {disfmarker} e the patches that you {disfmarker}", "Grad A : No , he suggested that , but he didn't {disfmarker} {pause} It 's not installed .", "Postdoc B : Oh , I thought it was in one of those patches .", "Grad A : No . No .", "Postdoc B : Oh OK . Well . Alright .", "PhD D : So is there any hope for actually displaying the wave form ?", "Grad A : Um , not if we 're going to use Tcl - TK At least not if we 're going to use Snack .", "PhD D : OK .", "Grad A : I mean you would have to do something ourselves .", "Postdoc B : Well , or use the one that crawls .", "PhD D : OK . Well , I 'm {disfmarker} I probably would be trying to use the {disfmarker} {comment} whatever 's there . And it 's useful to have the {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Why don't we {disfmarker} we see how Dan 's works and if it {disfmarker} If we really need the display {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah . I mean . I wonder {disfmarker} I 'm just wondering if we can display things other than the wave form . So . Suppose we have a feature {disfmarker} a feature stream . And it 's just , you know , a {disfmarker} a uni - dimensional feature , varying in time .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD D : And we want to plot that , instead of the whole wave form .", "Grad A : I mean .", "PhD D : That might be faster .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD D : Right ?", "Grad A : We {disfmarker} we could do that but that would mean changing the code .", "PhD D : So .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad A : I mean this isn't a program we wrote .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad A : This is a program that we got from someone else , and we 've done patches on .", "PhD D : OK .", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : OK . Well , I 'll talk to you about it and we can see", "Grad A : So .", "Professor C : Cou - i e I mean , y", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad A : Yeah .", "PhD D : but it 's definitely {pause} great to have the other one .", "Professor C : If there was some {disfmarker} Is there some way to {pause} have someone write patches in something faster and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} link it in , or something ?", "PhD D : That 's {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Not easily .", "Professor C : Or is that {disfmarker}", "Grad A : I mean y yes we could do that . You could {disfmarker} you can write widgets in C . And try to do it that way but I just don't think {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad A : Let 's try it with Dan 's and if that isn't enough , we can do it otherwise .", "PhD D : Right .", "Grad A : I think it is , cuz when I was playing with it , the mixed signal has it all in there . And so it 's really {disfmarker} It 's not too bad to find places in the {disfmarker} in the stream where things are happening .", "PhD D : OK .", "Grad A : So I {disfmarker} I don't think it 'll be bad .", "Postdoc B : And it 's also {disfmarker} also the case that {disfmarker} that uh this multi - wave thing {pause} is proposed to the {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Hmm ?", "Postdoc B : So . Dan proposed it to the Transcriber central people , and it 's likely that uh {disfmarker} So . And {disfmarker} and they responded favorably looks as though it will be incorporated in the future version .", "PhD D : Oh .", "Postdoc B : They said that the only reason they hadn't had the multi the parallel uh stream one before was simply that {pause} they hadn't had time to do it . And uh {pause} so it 's likely that this {disfmarker} this may be entered into the ch this central @ @ .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad A : And if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}", "Professor C : They may well have not had much demand for it .", "Postdoc B : Well that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's true , too .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Postdoc B : This is a {disfmarker} {pause} a useful thing for us .", "PhD D : So . You mean they could {disfmarker} they could do it and it would be {pause} fast enough if they do it ?", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad A : Depends on how much work they did .", "Postdoc B : Oh . No . I just mean {disfmarker} I just mean that it 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that his {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : Oh .", "Postdoc B : So . {pause} This one that we now have does have the status of {pause} potentially being incorporated l likely being incorporated into the central code .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . OK .", "Postdoc B : Now , tha Now , if we develop further then , y uh , I don't {disfmarker}", "Grad A : I think if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if one of us sat down and coded it , so that it could be displayed fast enough I 'm sure they would be quite willing to incorporate it .", "Postdoc B : I mean it 's {disfmarker} I think it 's a nice feature to have it {disfmarker} set that way . Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : But it 's not a trivial task .", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "PhD D : OK .", "Postdoc B : I just like the idea of it being something that 's , you know , tied back into the original , so that other people can benefit from it .", "Grad A : Yeah .", "Postdoc B : Yeah . However . I also understand that you can have {pause} widgets that are very useful for their purpose and that you don't need to always go that w route . Yeah .", "PhD E : OK .", "Grad A : anyway , shall we do digits ?", "Postdoc B : Yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah . Let 's do digits , uh , and then we 'll turn off the mikes , and then I have one other thing to discuss .", "Postdoc B : OK .", "Grad A : OK .", "PhD D : I actually have to leave . So . Um . I mean {pause} I had to leave at three thirty ,", "Postdoc B : Uh - oh .", "Grad A : OK .", "Professor C : Oh .", "PhD D : so I can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well , I can wait {pause} for the digits but I can't stay for the discussion", "Grad A : Well , you want to go first ? Or .", "PhD D : I c {pause} I have to make a call .", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD D : So .", "Postdoc B : Well , should we {disfmarker} e should we switch off the g", "Professor C : Well , we 'll talk to you about it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh", "Grad A : Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just skip digits ?", "PhD D : Um . No , I can do digits if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} But I don't wanna butt in , or something .", "Grad A : Then {disfmarker} Alright . You go ahead .", "PhD D : But if there 's something on the rest of the {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'll be around just have to make call before quarter of . So ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 44, "turns": [ 54, 98 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "role , schools , PDG , looked-after children , regional consortia", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM thought it was absolutely fair to say that most awareness around PDG was for supporting looked-after children. Spoke of there being less awareness around the probability of PDG to support looked-after children. Kirsty Williams AM thought that was probably in the nature of the cohort, so there were more children subject to free school meals than were subject to being looked after. There was a big emphasis on attachment disorder and training teachers with regard to the impact of attachment disorder. Carmarthenshire happened to be one of those local authorities that did quite well in terms of attainment for looked-after children.", "title": "Role of Schools with PDG", "relevant_turns": [ 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "role , schools , PDG , looked-after children , regional consortia", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM; the thinking behind that at the time was around a greater strategic deployment of that resource and to try and drive a greater impact than how it was being used previously. We have looked-after children PDG coordinators\u2014they're in their second year this year\u2014to look at a regional deployment of that resource. And that resource can be done in a variety of ways.", "title": "Deployment of Resources", "relevant_turns": [ 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "EAS consortium , PDG , vulnerable learners", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The EAS consortium used the PDG to help vulnerable learners. The group talked of being a great believer and gave an example earlier, the emerging themes when going around visiting schools, which was the growing awareness and the growing numbers of children who had attachment disorder and how schools were best able to respond to that in their children.", "title": "Vulnerable Learners in Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "EAS consortium , PDG , vulnerable learners", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The EAS consortium's approach to using the looked-after and adopted PDG, use it as part of a broader approach targeted at vulnerable learners; a great believer in if we can get it right for our most vulnerable learners, we'll be getting it right for all of our learners. I gave the example earlier, for instance, of attachment disorder; regardless of their background, will benefit from having teachers who are better trained, understanding, and have intervention strategies in place to be able to address that need.", "title": "Vulnerable Learners in Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dataset , track , adopted children", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mark Reckless AM talked about being able to track adopted children and entirely understood that parents could not be forced to disclose that their children were adopted. There was a dataset with social services in England and it was shared with schools in a way. Kirsty Williams AM said there was an active discussion that went on at the moment about whether they could create a dataset where people would divulge the information and they could then track the children. Talked of encouraging take-up, and gave an instance of free school meals, specifying the communities where there was a sense of reluctance to do it.", "title": "Tracking Adopted Children", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dataset , track , adopted children", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mark Reckless AM; Yes. Can I follow up on tracking adopted children; I entirely understand that you can't force parents to disclose that their child is adopted. However, my understanding was that, in England, there was a dataset with social services that was shared with schools in a way that I'm not clear is happening in Wales and how, if at all, that links to the pupil level annual school census data. Kirsty Williams AM; We're actively looking at whether we should try and find a way of collecting this data, with the caveats that I just gave earlier. We can't force parents to divulge information that is a matter for them, nor would I want to. But there is an active discussion going on at the moment about whether we could create a dataset where people divulge this information and we can then track the children. You're absolutely right. But we are actively looking at and discussing whether we could create a dataset around adopted children and how we can do that in line with data protection and data sharing.", "title": "Tracking Adopted Children", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exclusion rates , children", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said they could look at exclusions and gave an example of the percentage of looked-after learners with additional learning needed, so they could not look at it in terms of the particular source of funding and they had to look at it at a wider level of support. Talked about the majority of the children who had an ALN and asked how they could make sure that their new ALN legislation and their new ALN regime met the needs of the children.", "title": "Children with ALN", "relevant_turns": [ 42 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "exclusion rates , children", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said they knew for example that 66 percent of looked-after learners had some additional learning need, if they were not addressing ALN, they had not addressed behavior issues that potentially led to expulsion or non-attendance, so children in the school sometimes had complex needs not just because they're looked after, but also for other needs.", "title": "Addressing ALN Issue", "relevant_turns": [ 42 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "regional consortia", "speaker": "Mark Reckless AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Mark Reckless AM talked of the PDG for looked-after children did not quite seem to have the degree of visibility as the PDG for free school meals. Talked of having thought of certain passengers for primary school and secondary schools who were aware that PDG was targeted at looked-after children. Asked for clarification on the role of schools with PDG for looked-after children as compared to the regional consortia in the field. Kirsty Williams talked of the reason they got the review, the independent review into the impact of the PDG in that area.", "title": "Awareness of the PDG", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], [ 35, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "regional consortia", "speaker": "Mark Reckless AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Mark Reckless AM; 15 percent of primary schools and 23 percent of secondary schools were aware that PDG was. Kirsty Williams AM; This is why Steve is doing the work that he is doing with the regional consortia.", "title": "Awareness of the PDG", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], [ 35, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "adoption", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM thought it was Llyr who was talking about concepts of Ever 6, they were constantly working on how they could get that balance between focus and flexibility for this resource. They thought there was the issue of where a school would know of a child that was looked after, issues around adoption were slightly more sensitive. Julie Morgan AM wanted to support what Mark said about adopted children and how important it was.", "title": "Issues of Adoptions", "relevant_turns": [ 20, 30 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "adoption", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said they could not necessarily track as closely children who had been adopted, especially if the adoption happened before the child went to school. They could not be in a position of forcing families to disclose the information if they did not want to. They thought that they needed to be a bit mindful of people's privacy in some instances. Julie Morgan said that any evidence that they had from adoptive parents and generally knew about what adoptive parents did feel, they often felt that there was a degree of a lack of sensitivity in the schools about the issues of adoption. Julie Morgan AM would support some moves towards ensuring that the atmosphere was open.", "title": "Issues of Adoption", "relevant_turns": [ 20, 30 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "nurture groups", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM was in Pil Primary School where they used an element of PDG for looked-after, for nurture groups. The children who found it very difficult to be in the main classroom could have the nurture group experience to address issues around emotional behavior, feelings, and it got them in a position where they were able to join the main classroom.", "title": "Element of PDG", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "nurture groups", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM; both FSM PDG and no doubt an element of PDG for looked-after, for nurture groups.", "title": "Element of PDG", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 26 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. The next questions are on looked-after children and adopted children, and I've got questions from Michelle then Mark.", "Michelle Brown AM : Thank you. Good morning\u2014", "Mark Reckless AM : I was to come in first, I think. I was about to ask about ICF consulting.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Go on then.", "Mark Reckless AM : I think my questions are first, but, Michelle, please do correct me if you were planning to come in before. The PDG for looked-after children\u00a0doesn't quite seem to have the degree of visibility\u00a0as the PDG for the free-school-meals. I think we had the MORI/WISERD survey\u2014only 15 per cent of primary schools and 23 per cent of secondary\u00a0schools were aware that PDG was targeted at looked-after children. I just wonder\u2014can you clarify on the record here what is the role of schools with PDG for looked-after children as compared to the regional consortia\u00a0in this field?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. I think it is absolutely fair to say that most awareness around PDG is around free school meals. There is less awareness around the availability of PDG to support looked-after children. I think that's probably in the nature of the cohort, so, there are more children subject to free school meals than are subject to being looked after. So, I think that's part of the explanation. A decision was taken in 2015 to regionalise PDG for looked-after children. My understanding was that the thinking behind that at the time was around a greater strategic deployment\u00a0of that resource and to try and drive a greater impact than how it\u00a0was being used previously. So, looked-after PDG is held at a regional level. We have looked-after children PDG co-ordinators\u2014they're in their second year this year\u2014to look at a regional deployment of that resource. And that resource can be done in a variety of ways, through individual allocation to a school to support an individual child, through to capacity building\u00a0for the whole system. So, for instance, if I give you an example, in Carmarthenshire, there's been a big emphasis on attachment\u00a0disorder and training teachers with regard to the impact of attachment disorder. Carmarthenshire happens\u00a0to be one of those local authorities\u00a0that does quite well in terms of attainment for looked-after children. But, clearly, I have\u2014not concerns. 'Concerns' isn't the right word. But I have asked officials to give greater scrutiny to how that resource has been used in the last year. Steve, on my behalf, wrote out to the system, setting out our expectations, but also advising them of the fact we will be asking very detailed questions of accountability for that money. So, what has that money\u00a0been used on and how can you account for the effect? But, Steve, maybe you can give some greater detail.", "Steve Davies : I think the challenge that\u2014. One of the rationales\u00a0for shifting\u2014not that all the money stays in the region, but having a regional strategic\u00a0support\u2014was that, historically, the money was going directly\u00a0with that child to the school. Given the quite often rapid turnover of children in schools\u2014the very nature of looked-after children is they do sometimes move through foster parents\u2014historically, what happened, the money lands in the school, because, at that time in the year, when it's measured, the school gets the money and can spend it on some additional support for staff, but quite often that child moves on to another school and the money\u00a0doesn't transfer. Some schools will go through quite a number of years without having\u00a0a looked-after child and will not think strategically, 'How do I need to support them?' So, that was the rationale of the shift. In terms\u00a0of the implementation of the regional allocation, as of this financial year finishing, we are going into local authorities and regions to evaluate where they've located the resource, what the impact of that resource has been, so that is reinforced\u00a0and shared more widely.", "Kirsty Williams AM : And then, to reassure, it's not just internally that we're looking at this. We have a contract with an external agency to do an evaluation\u2014", "Mark Reckless AM : That's ICF consulting.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes. Yes, so that was done in the autumn of last year, because, as I said, we had concerns about whether this was really having the effect that was intended. So, my expectation is that we will be in a position to receive that report later on this spring, and of course it would be my intention that that report would be made public for people to have a look at what\u2014", "Mark Reckless AM : That was commissioned last autumn\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, in November 2017.", "Mark Reckless AM : November 2017.", "Kirsty Williams AM : So, I'm hoping to have that published before the summer recess. I'm very reluctant to say months; I've learnt not to say months, because they move.", "Lynne Neagle AM : I'm going to go to Michelle now, Mark, because\u2014", "Mark Reckless AM : Sure. I will come back in if I have anything further to ask here after Michelle.", "Lynne Neagle AM : \u2014both of you asked for these questions, and that's what the pre-meeting is for.", "Mark Reckless AM : Michelle, I defer to you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Michelle.", "Michelle Brown AM : Okay, thank you. Would you be open, Cabinet Secretary, to the idea of adjusting the eligibility of the PDG so that pupils who have been looked after or adopted at any point within a previous given period of time would attract the PDG, rather than only if they're looked-after on a one-off date?", "Kirsty Williams AM : As I said earlier, in questions from, I think it was, Llyr, who was talking about concepts of concepts of Ever 6, we are constantly looking at how we can get that balance between focus and flexibility for this resource. Llyr opened with the question of, 'How can you absolutely ensure that these children are getting the money?', but then there's also a tension about how can you create some flexibility around the school's usage of the grant. So, we will look at that. I think there is the issue of where a school would know of a child that was looked after. Issues around adoption are slightly more sensitive, because we couldn't force a family to tell a school that their child was an adopted child. So, a family may be very open and very keen to explain that to a school, but we can't necessarily track as closely children who have been adopted, especially if that adoption happens before the child goes to school. We can't be in a position of forcing families to disclose this information if they don't want to, but we certainly can, as I say, look to strengthen our monitoring arrangements around PDG support for looked-after children and the impact that that's having. I just think we need to be a bit mindful of people's privacy in some instances. If they don't want to divulge that, it wouldn't be my job to tell a family, 'You have to let us know if your child is adopted.'", "Lynne Neagle AM : Michelle.", "Michelle Brown AM : Fair enough; thank you for that answer. The EAS consortium's approach to using the looked-after and adopted PDG is to use it as part of a broader approach targeted at vulnerable learners in general. What are your views on that approach?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I'm a great believer in if we can get it right for our most vulnerable learners, we'll be getting it right for all of our learners. I gave the example earlier, for instance, of attachment disorder, and, Chair, you will know that I have had conversations. One of the emerging themes for me, as I go around visiting schools, is the impact and the growing awareness and the growing numbers of children who have attachment disorder, and how schools are best able to respond to that in their children. So, for instance, as I said about Carmarthenshire, there's been a huge effort to address that in the school sector in Carmarthenshire. Now, that has a disproportionate benefit for those children, because you're more likely to see attachment disorder in children who are care experienced, because of the nature of the lives that those children have lived, but that doesn't necessarily mean that attachment disorder is exclusively found in those children that are looked after. It can be found in other families as well. So, that vulnerable learner, regardless of their background, will benefit from having teachers who are better trained, understanding and have intervention strategies in place to be able to address that need.", "Steve Davies : I think it's also important to add that this is not one region's approach; this is across four regions, so the others\u2014. For example, ERW have run a significant programme looking at the impact of adverse childhood experiences on pupils, which has\u00a0enabled teachers to detect some of the impact of some of those and then considers some of the work they need to do within the school but also with other agencies. So, it is something that's\u00a0applied consistently across the four regions.", "Kirsty Williams AM : I was in Pil\u00a0Primary School recently where they use their PDG, both FSM PDG, and no doubt an element of PDG for\u00a0looked-after, for nurture groups. So, for those children who really, really find it very difficult to be in the main classroom, they can have that nurture group experience to address issues around emotional behaviour, feelings, and it gets them in a position where they are able then to join the main classroom because issues around behaviour have been addressed and they're in a\u00a0better position to learn. So, again, this is an example of how vulnerable learners in the wider sense can benefit.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Mark, did you have anything you wanted to ask?", "Mark Reckless AM : Yes. Can I follow up on tracking adopted children? I entirely understand that you can't force parents to disclose that their child is adopted. However, my understanding was that, in England, there was a dataset with social services that was shared with schools in a way that I'm not clear is happening in Wales and how, if at all, that links to the pupil level annual school census data.\u00a0Perhaps sort of linked to that, isn't there an argument for making the parents of adopted children in the schools, potentially, with adopted children more aware that adopted children who\u00a0were previously looked after have this potential grant, and would they not be more willing to disclose this, at least confidentially to the school and Government, if they knew there was this upside of doing so?", "Kirsty Williams AM : We're actively looking at whether we should try and find a way of collecting this data, with the caveats that I just gave earlier. We can't force parents to divulge information that is a matter for them, nor would I want to. But there is an active discussion going on at the moment about whether we could create a dataset where people divulge this information and we can then track the children through. You're absolutely right. One of the ways in which we can often encourage take-up, for instance, of free school meals, especially in those communities where there is a sense of reluctance to apply for support\u2014even though people are entitled to it, there's a reluctance to do it; sometimes we see this in rural areas\u2014. Actually, appealing to the parents by saying, 'Actually,\u00a0this will mean more money for your child's school budget'\u00a0is a much more compelling reason why people will apply for it then saying, 'Actually, it's going to help you',\u00a0because they don't want to be seen being dependent, they don't want to be seen being helped.\u00a0But, if you say to them, 'Actually,\u00a0do you know that this means more money for your child's school?', they go, 'Oh, all right then, I'll fill in the forms now.'\u00a0So, you're right, I think there is something that we could do to make parents understand, in the round, that this has an impact. But we are actively looking at and discussing whether we could create a dataset around adopted children and how we can do that in line with data protection and data sharing. One of the things I am concerned about in the performance of looked-after children generally is how we can, across Government, work more closely together. We can't see the educational attainment of looked-after children just being a job of education. It's got to be a job of social services and the health service as well. There's got to be a joined-up approach to doing that. Now, officials were at the ministerial advisory group that's chaired by David Melding on prospects for looked-after children. They were there at the group last week. David tells me that the paper was very positively received by the group. I will be sitting down with David Melding to talk through what more we can do on the education side. I think there's really an appetite between me and the Minister for children to get a closer working relationship on this. We can't expect schools to do it on their own and alone.\u00a0And there are things that we can do out there in local authorities to help improve outcomes. It's not just about the PDG; it is about, when social services are thinking about a placement,\u00a0where does the discussion about where children are going to go to school\u2014when does that take place? Do we talk about the placement, move a child and then think, 'Oh\u00a0my goodness me, what are we going to do about the schooling?'\u00a0If you can imagine, the school could have been working really, really hard with a pupil to get them in a good place, to get them being able to access the curriculum, and then social services decide that the placement is being changed. So, we potentially lose all of that. So, a greater involvement in education\u00a0and better linked-up working in local authorities will help us with this. It can't be just the job of the PDG. If we think we can crack this with just PDG, then we're being delusional. It has to be a cross-government approach at a national level, and at a local government level as well, to get this right. Sometimes, data protection\u2014how can we break down some of these barriers between, you know, the school doesn't need to, schools shouldn't see, the entire social services report? Well, maybe the school does need to see some of that background information if they're going to have an impact for that child.\u00a0So, there's more work to do, but it cannot be just the job of education on its own if we're going to make a difference, nor can it just be the job of the PDG to make a difference for those children.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Julie's got some more questions on the impact on adopted and looked-after children.", "Julie Morgan AM : Yes, before I go on to those, I just wanted to support, really, what Mark was saying about adopted children and how important it is, I think, that the adoptive parents feel able to speak to the school and to give information. Because certainly any evidence we've had from adoptive parents, and generally knowing about what adoptive parents do feel, is that they often feel that there's a degree of a lack of sensitivity in the school about the issues of adoption. I would certainly support some move towards ensuring that the atmosphere was open in a way that would encourage them to realise that it would be a help for the children if there was an awareness in the school. So, I just wanted to really reinforce that.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, and that would chime with what I hear from many adoptive parents. I'm just trying to be sensitive by saying we can't force people to divulge this information if they don't want to.", "Julie Morgan AM : No,\u00a0but they need to be given the opportunity.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes,\u00a0you're right. We need to make sure that those parents feel that they can discuss this with school leaders and classroom teachers and explore how best those individual children can be supported, and how best we can support parents. Because, again\u2014and I've said this a lot\u2014after the quality of teaching, the second biggest impact on a child's educational outcome will be parental engagement. So, being able to create an environment where adoptive parents feel very confident and able to talk about their children's education is absolutely crucial if we're going to get that parental engagement that we need for all of our children.", "Julie Morgan AM : Yes. Thank you. Going on to looked-after children, you say that the latest data on looked-after children's attainment is extremely disappointing. Can you expand on that and what effect the PDG has had in this result, or not had?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well,\u00a0there's no getting away from it: the way in which we currently measure outcomes for looked-after children, the results are not good enough. It's a source of huge concern to me that we need to do better for those children. That's why officials are engaging with the group that David Melding is chairing, to make sure that education is integral to that group and it's not lost sight of. There's a discussion to be had about the cohort, whether it's right and correct to compare looked-after children to the main cohort, or whether these statistics are useful in any way. Sometimes as well\u2014this is not to make an excuse because, as I've said in my paper, it's extremely disappointing, but sometimes it can be really difficult. Because the cohort sometimes can be very, very small, it can swing the statistics to look perhaps more dramatic.", "Julie Morgan AM : I think, generally, when you look at how looked-after children do\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : It's not good.", "Julie Morgan AM : \u2014in\u00a0a much wider evaluation, they're not doing well, are they?", "Kirsty Williams AM : They're not doing well. So, that's why we've got the review, the independent review, into the impact of the PDG in this area. This is why Steve is doing the work that he is doing with the regional consortia because, clearly, at the moment, we are not doing what we need to do for that particular cohort of children. I would not make any bones about that at all.", "Steve Davies : I think we will not move away from the fact that these children need good GCSEs to gain employment, so we'll continue to measure that. I think we need to look at more nuanced evaluations of the data at a lower level. So, for example, there were significant improvements in terms of PDG pupils who got three and four good GCSEs but didn't get past the threshold. That's not to cover anything that is not working in terms of improvement, but we will look at the full range and\u00a0still hold on to the fact\u00a0that we have to look at a measure that relates to the likelihood of these children going on to further education and training.", "Julie Morgan AM : And then just one more question about the exclusion rates amongst looked-after children. They are, I understand, over six times more likely to be given a fixed-term exclusion. So, is there any way of trying to address this? Is the PDG used for anything to do with exclusions?", "Kirsty Williams AM : We can look at exclusions. We also have to read across about how the whole system works, not just the PDG element of the system. So, we know, for example, that 66 per cent of looked-after learners have some additional learning need, so we can't just look at it in terms of this particular source of funding; we have to look at it at a wider level of support. So, given that the majority of those children will have an ALN, how can we make sure that\u00a0our new ALN legislation and our new ALN regime meets the needs of these children? So, I think what we're looking at, again, is to say that it can't be just the job of the PDG. That's there as an additional level of support, but actually, we've got to get our ALN right. Unless we get our ALN right, lots and lots of these children are not going to get the support that they need day in, day out via that system. We do know that sometimes, if we're not addressing ALN, then we're not addressing behaviour issues that then potentially lead to an expulsion or potentially lead to non-attendance. So, we've got to look at it in the round and recognise the connections between the sometimes quite complex needs that these children have within the school setting, that are not just as a result of the fact that they're looked after; they have other needs as well.", "Steve Davies : And investment in well-being\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : Absolutely. Steve is reminding me that that's why well-being is part of the national mission\u2014to address issues around supporting children with their well-being, which is a way of keeping them in school." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 221, 470 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting corpus , structure", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said that there was more data, and asked if it should be part of the corpus or not, and the attitude of Grad F was yes, because people could use that corpus for acoustics, instead of language. Professor D said that was not part of the meeting corpus, but was some other data they have. Grad F said that it begged the question of what was the meeting corpus. Then PhD I said that was the same infrastructure, but wasn't part of the corpus.", "title": "Disccussion about the Meeting Corpus and Structure", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 74 ], [ 161, 168 ], [ 185, 192 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting corpus , structure", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F asked if that was part of the corpus. Then Professor D said that it was not part of the meeting corpus, then Grad F asked what was the meeting corpus, then PhD I agreed with Professor D", "title": "Disccussion About the Meeting Corpus and Structure", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 74 ], [ 161, 168 ], [ 185, 192 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "constitute , meeting", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said that dialogues of various sorts weren't a meeting, then PhD G asked, what if they gave those meetings a name, later some people would consider it a meeting and some people no. Professor D said that was scenario-based and in human-computer interface, and that didn't match anything they described about meetings, then said that they won't tell people that reading digits were meetings, those weren't meetings.", "title": "Team Thoughts about What is a Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ 72, [ 173, 176 ], [ 196, 198 ], 211, [ 228, 230 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "constitute , meeting", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said that dialogues of various sorts weren't a meeting, because it was two people and they weren't face-to-face, then PhD G asked, what if they gave those meetings a name, later some people would consider it a meeting and some people won't. Professor D said that was scenario-based and in a human-computer interface was really pretty different, and that didn't match anything they described meetings, then said that they won't tell people that reading digits were meetings, same as people asking a computer travel information, those weren't meetings.", "title": "Team Thoughts About What is a Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ 72, [ 173, 176 ], [ 196, 198 ], 211, [ 228, 230 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Segmentation", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that one of the obvious things that occurred was that now they have the segmenter and works, they should re-evaluate the recognition results without cheating on the segmentations.", "title": "PhD I Thoughts about Segmentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Segmentation", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said one of the obvious things that occurred was that since they now have Thilo's segmenter and it worked well, they should actually basically re-evaluate the recognition results, without cheating on the segmentations", "title": "PhD I Thoughts about Segmentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "first part", "speaker": "Grad F , PhD E" }, "summary": "Grad F said that it was basically one person that sat there, looking a picture and a wizard in another in room, and it goes to speech generation systems, PhD E said yes, actually, it got changed to a synthesis for the first part.", "title": "Grad F and PhD I Talking About the First Part", "relevant_turns": [ [ 66, 72 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "first part", "speaker": "Grad F , PhD E" }, "summary": "Grad F saidd it got into generation systems, PhD E said yes, actually, it got changed to a synthesis for the first part.", "title": "Grad F and PhD I Talking About the First Part", "relevant_turns": [ [ 66, 72 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "obvious things", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that one of the obvious things that occurred to them was that since they now have the segmenter, and it worked, very well, they should re-evaluate recognition without cheating on the segmentation.", "title": "PhD I Talking about Some Obvious Things", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "obvious things ; 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Then PhD G said that just they saw, what happened when they did nothing in the modeling, just having training data. Professor D said it was acoustic and language training data for SmartKom. PhD I repeated that.", "title": "PhD I, PhD G and Professor D Talking about Training Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 37 ], [ 62, 66 ], [ 121, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "training data", "speaker": "PhD I , PhD G , Professor D" }, "summary": "PhD I; wouldn't; labelling; training data; PhD G; nothing; modeling; training data, what happens; Professor D; acoustic and language model training data.", "title": "PhD I, PhD G and Professor D Talking about Training Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 37 ], [ 62, 66 ], [ 121, 127 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD I : Well , yeah . So this is just partly to inform everybody , um , and {disfmarker} and of course to get , um , input .", "Grad F : Oops .", "PhD I : Um , so , {nonvocalsound} uh , we had a discussion {disfmarker} Don and Liz and I had discussion last week about how to proceed with , uh , you know , with Don 's work ,", "PhD E : Ch", "PhD I : and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and {disfmarker} and , uh , one of the obvious things that occur to us was that we 're {disfmarker} since we now have Thilo 's segmenter and it works , you know , amazingly well , {vocalsound} um , we should actually basically re - evaluate the recognition , um , results using {disfmarker} you know , without cheating on the segmentations .", "PhD E : So {disfmarker}", "PhD I : And , that should be fairly {disfmarker}", "PhD E : And how do we find the transcripts for those so that {disfmarker} ? Yeah . The references for {disfmarker} for {pause} those segments ?", "PhD I : Oh , OK . So , there 's actually {disfmarker}", "PhD E : It 's not that {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Why do you ask ?", "Grad F : I could {disfmarker}", "PhD I : No , actually , um , NIST has , um m a fairly sophisticated scoring program {vocalsound} that you can give a , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a time ,", "Grad F : Hand ones .", "PhD G : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD I : uh {disfmarker} You know , you basically just give two {pause} time - marked sequences of words , and it computes the um {disfmarker} the , {comment} uh {disfmarker} {comment} you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} th", "PhD B : It does all the work for you .", "PhD I : it does all the work for you .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD I : So , it {disfmarker} we just {disfmarker} and we use that actually in Hub - five to do the scoring . Um . So what we 've been using so far was sort of a {pause} simplified version of the scoring . And we can {disfmarker} we can handle the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the type of problem we have here .", "PhD E : So , basically you give some time constraints for {disfmarker} for the references and for {disfmarker} for the hypothesis ,", "PhD I : So , we ha Yeah . Right .", "PhD E : and {disfmarker} Yeah , OK .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "PhD I : Right .", "PhD G : Maybe the {pause} start of your speech and the end of it ,", "PhD I : So do", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD G : or stuff like that .", "PhD I : Right . It does time - constrained word - alignment .", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD I : So . So that should be possible . I mean that shouldn't be a problem . Uh , so that was the one thing , and the other was that , um {disfmarker} What was the other problem ? Oh ! That Thilo wanted to use {pause} the recognizer alignments to train up his , um , speech detector .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD I : Um , so that we could use , uh {disfmarker} you know there wouldn't be so much hand {vocalsound} labelling needed to , uh {disfmarker} to generate training data for {disfmarker} for the speech detector .", "PhD E : Yeah . I 'm just in progress of {disfmarker} of doing that . So .", "PhD I : And I think you 're in the process of doing that .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD I : So , you can {disfmarker} {comment} you can {disfmarker}", "PhD B : It 'll give you a lot more data , too . Won't it ?", "PhD E : Yeah . So , it 's basically {disfmarker} s I think , eight meetings or something which {disfmarker} which I 'm using , and , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} before it was twenty minutes of one meeting .", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : So {disfmarker} should {comment} be a little bit better .", "PhD I : Right .", "PhD B : Great .", "PhD I : That won't be perfect {disfmarker} the alignments aren't perfect ,", "PhD E : Yeah . But {disfmarker}", "PhD I : but , um , it 's probably still better to have all this extra data , than {disfmarker}", "PhD G : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yep .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "PhD E : We 'll see that .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Professor D : OK .", "PhD G : Actually , I had a question about that . If you find that you can {vocalsound} lower the false alarms that you get where there 's no speech , that would be useful {pause} for us to know . So , um {disfmarker}", "PhD E : There were the false alarms .", "PhD G : Yeah . So , {vocalsound} r right now you get f fal you know , false {disfmarker} false , uh , speech regions when it 's just like , um , {vocalsound} breath or something like that ,", "PhD E : OK . Yeah . Yep .", "PhD G : and I 'd be interested to know the {disfmarker} wha if you retrain um ,", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD G : do those actually go down or not ? Because {pause} of {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah . I 'll {disfmarker} can make {disfmarker} an can , like , make a c comparison of {disfmarker} of the old system to the {disfmarker} to the new one , and {pause} then {disfmarker}", "PhD G : Yeah , just to see if by doing nothing in the modeling of {disfmarker} just having that training data wh what happens .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah . Yep .", "Professor D : Um another one that we had on Adam 's agenda {pause} that definitely involved you was s something about SmartKom ?", "Grad F : Right . So , Rob Porzel {disfmarker} eh , Porzel ? and the , uh {disfmarker} Porzel {disfmarker} and the , uh , SmartKom group are collecting some dialogues .", "PhD I : Porzel . Porzel .", "Grad F : Basically they have one person sitting in here , looking at a picture , and a wizard sitting in another room somewhere . And , uh , they 're doing a travel task . And , uh , it involves starting {disfmarker} I believe starting with a {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's always the wizard , but it starts where the wizard is pretending to be a computer and it goes through a , uh , {vocalsound} speech generation system .", "PhD E : Yeah . Actually , it 's changed to a synthesis for {disfmarker} for the first part now .", "Grad F : Synthesis system .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Um , and then , it goes to a real wizard and they 're evaluating that . And they wanted to use this equipment , and so the w question came up , is {disfmarker} well , here 's some more data . Should this be part of the corpus or not ? And my attitude was yes , because there might be people who are using this corpus for {pause} acoustics , as opposed to just for language . Um , or also for dialogue of various sorts . Um , so it 's not a meeting . Right ? Because it 's two people and they 're not face to face .", "Professor D : Wait a minute . So , I just wanted to understand it , cuz I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} uh , hadn't quite followed this process .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor D : Um . So , it 's wizard in the sen usual sense that the person who is asking the questions doesn't know that it 's , uh , a machi not a machine ?", "PhD I : Right .", "Grad F : At the beginning .", "PhD I : Actually {disfmarker} actually , w w the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} We do this {disfmarker} I dunno who came up with it , but I think it 's a really clever idea . We simulate a computer breakdown halfway through the session , and so then after that , the person 's told that they 're now talking to a , uh {disfmarker} to a human .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD E : It 's a human operator .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : But of course they don't know that it 's the same person both times .", "PhD I : So , we {disfmarker} we collect {disfmarker} we collect both human - computer and human - human data , essentially , in the same session .", "Professor D : You might wanna try collecting it the other way around sometime , saying that th the computer isn't up yet", "Postdoc A : Hmm .", "Professor D : and then {disfmarker} so then you can separate it out whether it 's the beginning or end kind of effects .", "PhD I : That 's an idea .", "Professor D : But , yeah .", "Grad F : Yep .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : That 's a good idea .", "Grad F : \" I have to go now . You can talk to the computer . \"", "PhD B : It 's a lot more believable , too ,", "Grad F : \" No ! \"", "PhD B : if you tell them that they 're {disfmarker} the computer part is running on a Windows machine . And the whole breakdown thing kinda makes sense .", "PhD I : O Just {disfmarker} just reboot it .", "Grad F : Abort {disfmarker} abort , retry , fail ?", "PhD G : So did they actually save the far - field {pause} data ?", "PhD E : Yes .", "Grad F : Well , this was {disfmarker} this was the question .", "PhD G : Cuz at first they weren't {disfmarker} they weren't sa", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Grad F : So {disfmarker} so they were saying they were not going to ,", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD G : OK .", "Grad F : and I said , \" well that 's silly , if {disfmarker} if we 're gonna try to do it for a corpus , there might be people who are interested in acoustics . \"", "PhD G : Yeah .", "PhD I : Wow .", "PhD E : No .", "PhD G : Or {disfmarker}", "PhD E : projector {comment} We were not saying we are not {pause} doing it .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "Professor D : S", "PhD E : We wer we just wanted to do {disfmarker}", "PhD I : No , the {disfmarker} the question is do we save one or two far - field channels or all of them ?", "PhD G : Right .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah .", "Grad F : I {disfmarker} I see no reason not to do all of them .", "Professor D : Um {disfmarker}", "Grad F : That {disfmarker} that if we have someone who is doing acoustic studies , uh , it 's nice to have the same for every recording .", "PhD G : Nnn . Yeah .", "PhD I : Hmm .", "Professor D : So , what is the purpose of this recording ?", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : This is to get acoustic and language model training data for SmartKom. OK .", "PhD I : It 's to be traini to b training data and development data for the SmartKom {pause} system .", "PhD E : The English system ? Yeah .", "PhD I : Yeah . Right . Right .", "PhD B : Where does this {disfmarker} ?", "Professor D :", "PhD G : Maybe we can have him vary the microphones , too ,", "Professor D : Well ,", "PhD E : B", "PhD G : or they 're different s speakers .", "Grad F : Right . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so for their usage , they don't need anything .", "Professor D : so why not {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Right ?", "PhD E : But {disfmarker} but I 'm not sure about the legal aspect of {disfmarker} of that . Is {disfmarker} is there some contract with SmartKom or something about the data ?", "PhD I : Yeah .", "PhD E : What they {disfmarker} or , is {disfmarker} is that our data which we are collecting here ,", "Professor D : We 've never signed anything that said that we couldn't use anything that we did .", "PhD E : or {disfmarker} ? OK . OK .", "PhD I : We weren't supposed to collect any data .", "PhD E : So . OK .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD E : So . Yeah , th th that was the question .", "PhD I : This was all {disfmarker}", "PhD E : If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} ? Yeah .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Professor D : No that 's not a problem .", "PhD E : Basically .", "Professor D : I {disfmarker} L look , it seems to me that if we 're doing it anyway and we 're doing it for these {disfmarker} these purposes that we have , {vocalsound} and we have these distant mikes , we definitely should re should save it all as long as we 've got disk space ,", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : and disk is pretty cheap .", "PhD I : OK .", "Professor D : So should we save it ?", "Grad F : And then {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Now th Yeah . So we save it because it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's potentially useful . And now , what do we do with it is {disfmarker} is a s separate question .", "Grad F : Right .", "Professor D : I mean , anybody who 's training something up could {vocalsound} choose to put it {disfmarker} eh , to u include this or not .", "PhD I : Right .", "Professor D : I {disfmarker} I would not say it was part of the meetings corpus . It isn't . But it 's some other data we have , and if somebody doing experiment wants to train up including that then they can . Right ?", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : So it 's {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} I guess it {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} begs the question of what is the meeting corpus . So if , at UW they start recording two - person hallway conversations is that part of the meeting corpus ?", "Professor D : I think it 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} I th think the idea of two or more people conversing with one another is key .", "Grad F : Well , this has two or more people conversing with each other .", "Professor D : Nnn , well", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : Well this {disfmarker}", "Grad F : They 're just not face to face .", "PhD G : What if we just give it a {disfmarker} a name like we give these meetings a name ?", "Professor D : No , it doesn't . Right ? It has {disfmarker}", "Grad F : I mean , that was my intention .", "PhD G : And then later on some people will consider it a meeting and some people won't ,", "Postdoc A : Well this {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad F : That was my intention . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} s {vocalsound} so part of the reason that I wanted to bring this up is , {vocalsound} do we wanna handle it as a special case or do we wanna fold it in ,", "PhD G : and {disfmarker} Just give it a {vocalsound} title .", "Postdoc A : Oh .", "Professor D : I think it is a s", "Grad F : we give everyone who 's involved as their own user ID , give it session I Ds , {vocalsound} let all the tools that handle Meeting Recorder handle it , or do we wanna special case it ? And if we were gonna special case it , who 's gonna do that ?", "PhD E : So .", "PhD I : Well , it {disfmarker} it makes sense to handle it with the same infrastructure , since we don't want to duplicate things unnecessarily .", "PhD E : It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : I think {disfmarker}", "PhD I : But as far as distributing it , we shouldn't label it as part of this meeting corpus .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : We should let it be its own corp", "Postdoc A : Well it 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} well , because {disfmarker}", "Grad F : I don't see why not . It 's just a different topic .", "Postdoc A : I ha I have an extra point , which is the naturalness issue . Because we have , like , meetings that have a reason . That 's one of the reasons that we were talking about this . And {disfmarker} and those {disfmarker} and this sounds like it 's more of an experimental setup .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : It 's got a different purpose .", "Professor D : It 's scenario - based , it 's {disfmarker} it 's human - computer interface {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it 's really pretty different .", "Postdoc A : Yeah .", "Professor D : But I I {disfmarker} I have no problem with somebody folding it in for some experiment they 're gonna do , but I don't think i it {disfmarker} it doesn't match anything that we 've described about meetings .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : Whereas everything that we talked about them doing at {disfmarker} at UW and so forth really does . They 're actually talking {disfmarker}", "Grad F : OK . So w so what does that mean for how we are gonna organize things ?", "Postdoc A : Hmm .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor D : You can {disfmarker} you can {disfmarker} Again , as {disfmarker} as I think Andreas was saying , {vocalsound} if you wanna use the same tools and the same conventions , there 's no problem with that . It 's just that it 's , you know , different directory , it 's called something different , it 's {disfmarker} you know . It is different . You can't just fold it in as if it 's {disfmarker} I mean , digits are different , too . Right ?", "Grad F : Yeah , but those are folded in ,", "PhD I : It might also be potentially confusing .", "Grad F : and it 's just {disfmarker} you just mark the transcripts differently . So {disfmarker} so one option is you fold it in ,", "PhD I : Right .", "Grad F : and just simply in the file you mark somewhere that this is this type of interaction , rather than another type of interaction .", "PhD I : Yeah , I th", "Professor D : Well , I don I wouldn't call reading digits \" meetings \" . Right ? I mean , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we were doing {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Well , but {disfmarker} but , {vocalsound} I put it under the same directory tree .", "Professor D : Well {disfmarker}", "Grad F : You know , it 's in \" user doctor speech data MR \" .", "PhD G : Can we just have a directory called , like , \" other stuff \" ?", "Grad F : Other .", "PhD G : And {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker} or , I dunno .", "Professor D : I mean , I don't care what directory tree you have it under .", "PhD G : And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and just , um , store it there .", "Professor D : Right ? I mean that 's just a {disfmarker}", "Grad F : OK . My preference is to have a single procedure so that I don't have to think too much about things .", "PhD I : Yes .", "PhD G : I mean {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad F : And , just have a marking .", "Professor D : O - You {disfmarker} you can use whatever procedure you want that 's p convenient for you .", "Grad F : If we do it any other way that means that we need a separate procedure , and someone has to do that .", "Professor D : All I 'm saying is that there 's no way that we 're gonna tell people that reading digits is meetings . And similarly we 're not gonna tell them that someone talking to a computer to get travel information is meetings .", "Grad F : Right .", "Professor D : Those aren't meetings . But if it makes it easier for you to pu fold them in the same procedures and have them under the same directory tree , knock yourself out .", "PhD B : There 's a couple other questions that I have too ,", "Professor D : You know ?", "PhD B : and {disfmarker} and {pause} one of them is , what about , uh , consent issues ? And the other one is , what about transcription ? Are {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : Transcription is done in Munich .", "PhD B : OK . So we don't have to worry about transcribing it ?", "Professor D : Alright .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : So , w we will hafta worry about format .", "PhD I : That 's a {disfmarker} that 's another argument to keep it separate , because it 's gonna follow the SmartKom transcription conventions and not the ICSI meeting transcription conventions .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Oh , OK .", "Professor D : Ah . Good point .", "Grad F : OK . Well , I didn't realize that . That 's {disfmarker} that 's a {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Good point . But I 'm sure no one would have a problem with our folding it in for some acoustic modeling or {disfmarker} or some things . Um . Do we h do we have , uh , um , American - born folk , uh , reading German {disfmarker} German , uh , pla uh , place names and so forth ? Is that {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD I : Exactly .", "Professor D : Yeah , great .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Yep ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 29, "turns": [ 0, 14 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , macro facility", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager discussed the possibility of using macro facility, the interaction between the user and the TV, bar code, joystick for manipulation and ergonomic features. Project Manager also said that the corporate image was a key issue in the remote control, and that the macro facility might not be required because of the limited use it had in the project.", "title": "Project Manager's Point of View About Remote Control and the Use of Macro Facility", "relevant_turns": [ 11, 13 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , macro facility", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager, functional design meeting, minutes of the last meeting, discussed the possibility of a macro facility, interacting the TV a bit more, bar-code, joystick for user manipulation, and ergonomics of the remote control. Remote control should only be used for the TV; macro facility, not be required, so to the point, its functionality would have been of limited use, might not be worth pursuing, if anybody disagrees, definitely say so, crack on, get everything going.", "title": "Project Manager's Point of View About Remote Control and the Use of Macro Facility", "relevant_turns": [ 11, 13 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Just put it on the deskt {gap} desktop .", "Project Manager : No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link . A well actually just there .", "Marketing : Project documents ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's it .", "Marketing : yeah .", "Project Manager : If you dump it in there .", "Marketing : What's your username ?", "Project Manager : Your username .", "Marketing : What's your username and password ? Mm-hmm . Sorry .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . There we go .", "Project Manager : Excellent . Right . Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go . So . Functional design meeting . We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff . Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting . Not a lot thankfully to say . We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well . Um it's come to my attention the following . Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet . Remote control should only be used for the T_V_ . Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues . Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there . Um . Now . Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use . So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing . Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so . Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going . Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go .", "Marketing : 'Kay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 288, 330 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentations , team members , conclusion , summary", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager thanked a teammate and said that they decided that it would be a basic television remote, a cool-looking but safe one, and it would be cheap too. After that, it said that going back to industrial design, they were still thinking about using infra-red or Bluetooth, and it thought about going to the simplest option.", "title": "Project Manager Opinion and Review of the Presentations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "presentations , team members , conclusion , summary", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager thanked a teammate and said that they decided that it would be a basic television remote, a cool-looking but safe one, and it would be cheap too. After that, it said that going back to industrial design, they still thinking about using infra-red or Bluetooth, and it thought about going to the simplest option on everything, and that would be infra-red, and that would be using batteries, like little tiny weeny batteries, like special long-lasting batteries.", "title": "Project Manager Opinion and Review of the Presentations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : That's great , thank you very much for that , Reissa . {vocalsound} Um okay , so we've basically we've decide we've d we've decided that it's gonna be , you know uh , we're going for a basic television remote . It's gotta be safe to use , it's gotta look cool .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : It's gotta be cheap . S um .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Now going back to the uh industrial design of it , you know , we were looking at whether to use maybe infra-red or Bluetooth . I think , we should just go with the simplest option on everything , uh and that would be infra-red , energy source , that would be batteries . Uh mean we we can look into using the s , you know , the little tiny weeny batteries , all like special long-lasting batteries . Um . {vocalsound} But a in {disfmarker} there's no I don't think there's any point in making a remote control unit that's gonna last for fifty years , because technology will have changed and , you know , we won't have televisions in ten years' time . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : I think we're all um pretty sussed on that . Um anyone have any questions ? Everybody happy in their work ?", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah , it seems like we're all on the {disfmarker} pretty much on the same page .", "Project Manager : Now {gap} this is good , we've got a good structure going on . We all know where we're going to . {vocalsound} Have you been ge has {disfmarker} have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers ?", "User Interface : Oh it's probably just you , 'cause you're the project manager . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , just questionnaires .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Sell {disfmarker} trying to sell your things {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , {gap} stuff .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um okay . Do {disfmarker} oh {gap} have you guys found out if we can if we can e-mail stuff to each other ?", "Marketing : Yeah , you can .", "Project Manager : Right . Do all you all know my e-mail address ?", "User Interface : Okay . No I don't . I {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , in the project announcement , you've got the addresses , I think .", "Marketing : I think he's participant one , aren't you ?", "Industrial Designer : So Project Manager , it's participant one at A_M_I_ . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker} Oh , it's just participant one oh okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Can you all d e-mail me your e-mail addresses ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : You have them i you have them ,", "User Interface : Well it's just w it's just it's just par participant one , participant two . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but we'll send you an e-mail .", "Project Manager : Send me , yeah", "Industrial Designer : You want to have friends , don't you ?", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} yeah , okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as {gap} maybe that's our next meeting that we discuss that .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue ? I I kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background , but I might be just going a bit {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , it's like white on i white and blue on a black background with white {disfmarker} with yellow borders .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Maybe that's {vocalsound} like getting ahead of ourselves .", "Project Manager : Well , maybe you can come up with a few {disfmarker} with a couple of different ideas ?", "Industrial Designer : It wouldn't be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 29, "turns": [ 173, 311 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design optimization , remote control , style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that it hated the tons of little buttons, User Interface said that they could simplify symbols. Marketing said that on mobile phones a key would show you a menu and if that design could be useful on a remote, like a LCD display. User Interface agreed, that instead of having too many buttons, a LCD display would be better. Industrial Designer said that as long as it was intuitive. It added they put fashion into electronics.", "title": "Team Discussing about Control Remote Optimization and Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 42 ], [ 50, 59 ], 73, 120 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design optimization , remote control , style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; I hate; million tiny little buttons; User Interface; simplification of symbols; Marketing; mobile phone; press a key; a menu display; incorporating; design of a remote; LCD display; Industrial Designer; intuitive; fashion into electronics.", "title": "Team Discussing about Control Remote Optimization and Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 42 ], [ 50, 59 ], 73, 120 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design optimization , remote control , style , menu display", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that on mobile phones a key would show you a menu, and if that design could be useful on a remote, like a LCD display. User Interface agreed, that a LCD display would be better. Project Manager asked what about elders. Industrial Designer said that as long as it was intuitive.", "title": "Group Discussing about Menu Displays", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 60 ], 73 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design optimization , remote control , style , menu display", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that on mobile phones pressing a key would show you a menu and if that design could be useful on a remote, with a little LCD display. User Interface agreed that a LCD display would be better than too many buttons. Project Manager asked what about. Industrial Designer said that as long as it was sort of intuitive.", "title": "Group Discussing about Menu Displays", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 60 ], 73 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "older generation , remote control style , design optimization", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that their grandad was good using teletext, and that older people would have that problem regardless of the modification. At last it said that it just needs to be self-intuitive, like on new phones where there were pictures making what they were trying to do obvious.", "title": "Industrial Designer Thoughts about Older Generation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 73 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "older generation , remote control style , design optimization", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer grandad was better than it using teletext , and that older people would have a problem regardless of any design modification. It said that it just needs to be sort of self-intuitive, like menus on new phones, with pictures; makes obvious what they were trying to do.", "title": "Industrial Designer Thoughts about Older Generation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 73 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : You've got market range international and you did say earlier it's got to be a {disfmarker} um accessible and usable by sort of all age groups", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : just t we're not focusing on business market , any particular thing , it's everyone", "Project Manager : No , yeah .", "Marketing : {disfmarker} user-friendly to everyone . Okay .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Big target group {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : yes , yes , I don't think we have to {disfmarker} I don't think it's a case of worrying about different languages and things like that , um making that a key point ,", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : just that it's going to be in the international market like Australia , America , things like that .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay . What are your experiences with remote controls ? I mean I've got {disfmarker} we got um {disfmarker} we had three videos , a T_V_ and a sort of amp thing all set up", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : so we got one of the universal remote controls , um that you programme each of your things into ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Alright .", "User Interface : that c", "Project Manager : but that kept losing the signals so we'd have to re-programme it every now and again . I think it was quite a cheapie as well , so that might have had something to do with it ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah uh .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : but that was quite good , the fact that you could {disfmarker} You didn't have six remote controls sitting in front of you .", "Industrial Designer : Use all the ones at the same time .", "Marketing : Right .", "User Interface : Okay , you wanna integrate everything into one like {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : 'cause you {disfmarker}", "Marketing : My experience has only been being given the remote control with the object I buy , not doing any tampering with it and programming , using it to programme T_V_ and uh uh videos and things . But basically on , off , volume up and down , channel one , two , th that basic functions ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : I don't think I could go any further with it than that , so , I suppose it's got to be something usable by someone like me as well .", "Project Manager : Yeah , the main {disfmarker} that's the main stuff anyway , I mean", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} and you don't want to {disfmarker} I hate I hate looking at a control and seeing a million tiny little buttons with tiny little words saying what they all do", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : and just sitting there searching for the teletext button or something like that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm . And symbols that you don't necessarily understand ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : symbols you're meant to understand that you don't .", "User Interface : So simplification of symbols you could think of .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um . When they're {disfmarker} when you've got the main things on the front of it and a section opens up or something to the other functions where you can do sound or options kind of recording , things like that inside it .", "Marketing : Oh yeah . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : 'Cause it doesn't make {disfmarker} when you pick it up it doesn't make it really complicated to look at ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : it's obvious what you're doing , um .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Actually that just raises a point , I wonder what our design people think , but you know on a mobile phone , you can press a key and it gives you a menu , it's got a menu display ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Menu , alright .", "Marketing : I wonder if incorporating that into the design of a remote control might be useful ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Uh uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : so you've got a little L_C_D_ display .", "User Interface : Right , I was thinking on the same lines you , instead of having too many b buttons and make it complicated for the user , may h maybe have an L_C_D_ di display or something like that , like a mobile , yeah and with menus .", "Marketing : With menus , yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : And if it's s somewhat similar to what you have on mobile phone , people might find it easier to browse and navigate also maybe .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : What about the older generation ? What about granny and grandads ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You mean to save it lesser number .", "Project Manager : Um , my grandad can answer his mobile phone , but he couldn't even dream of texting or something like that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Can he programme his remote control or is it basic with that too ?", "User Interface : Right .", "Project Manager : I don't think they tape things ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , my grandad's actually better than me at using teletext , so {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I don't think they use {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Right . Right . So that's a problem regardless of of any design modifications you you come up with ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : that's gonna be a problem anyway with the older generation perhaps ,", "Project Manager : Mm , yeah , the age gap .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , what it just needs to be {disfmarker} as long as it's sort of self-intuitive and you can can work out what everything's doing , 'cause I mean , menus on sort of new phones now they've sort of got all these pictures and stuff which makes it fairly obvious what you're trying to do .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I don't know , I d", "Industrial Designer : But I don't know how {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I don't like the , you know the new phones that have kind of got a Windows-based running system .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I find it really confusing , I kept getting lost {vocalsound} in the phone , I di I've not got a new one but uh my friend got a new one", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : and I was trying to do things with it and I just kept getting lost , but that's just me .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I don't I don't know how for twenty fi , or twelve Euros fifty how much of a excellent screen you could get ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : you'd you'd have to sort of keep it down to a black and white L_C_D_ thing anyway , I'd assume .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Is it possible that that for the older generation you could have like an extra button that you press for large print like you do in large print books ?", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Teletext has got that option as well .", "Marketing : Obviously it displays less on the screen , it displays less on the screen but as long as they can read it that's the main thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Or what about kind of a dual function ? In that you've got the basic buttons just for your play , volume , programme things", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and also {disfmarker} and then a menu to go into with obvious pictures , obvious symbols and that's where you control recording and things like that .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Mm-hmm . Mm . The other thing is , just ch chucking into mobile phone f design features again , it could have a flip top remote control so that when you flip over the top , your screen is {disfmarker} you can have a bigger screen in the the flip over .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm , okay . S", "Project Manager : I think that's a cost thing , I don't I don't know how much we're gonna know about {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Y", "User Interface : It might", "Marketing : Yeah ?", "User Interface : it might save a b bit of space , it's i instead of looking bulky , it might look small .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yes , no that's important .", "User Interface : But it might have its cost implications .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , like smaller .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And there's no reason we need to make it look as fashionable and stylish as a mobile phone , it can still be lightweight plastic , you know ?", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Right .", "Marketing : Something that's easily moulded and produced .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Sorry I'm treading on your territory guys . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um , right , okay", "Industrial Designer : No uh uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : we've got half an hour before the next meeting , so we're all gonna go off and do our individual things . Um I think that's probably about it and then we'll come back and liaise again and I get to do another fantastic PowerPoint presentation .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Just just a quick thing about the um {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Sure .", "Industrial Designer : about what you're saying about the uh {disfmarker} does does it need to be fashionable ? The sort of {disfmarker} I I had a quick look at the company website and it's like the the uh {disfmarker} we put the fashion into electronics , so I think think the whole design thing might be qui", "Marketing : Ah right .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I mean you don't {disfmarker} you you can still have plastic", "Marketing : Sure b y yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and it'd look quite good but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} yeah , I mean it doesn't have to be that , you know {vocalsound} th that was my main point ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : we don't have to use metal , I don't know if using plastic does make it cheaper ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : I presume it would .", "Project Manager : I would {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : it would probably . I mean there's Sky remote controls and everything . They're kind of moulded and look a bit different , and the Telewest remote controls are silver plastic , which looks a bit smarter ,", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : so yeah I guess that's stuff we can think about ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 44, "turns": [ 1, 20 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "money , targeted appropriately", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked for know-how if the money was being targeted appropriately for the pupil development grant. Kirsty Williams AM said that those individual interventions should only be targeted to children eligible for free meals.", "title": "Discussion on Appropriate Money Targeted for Pupil Development", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "money , targeted appropriately", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM said they had a lot of evidence around the blurring of eligibility on the targeting of pupil development grants and wanted to know if the money was being targeted appropriately since it was being targeted more widely than just those eligible for free school meals. Kirsty Williams AM answered that the money should be targeted for free school meals but in some cases, schools used the PDG funding to provide universal intervention but they wanted evidence that it would have disproportionate effects on outcomes for children on free school meals. Giving an example of primary school in Wrexham where they used their PDG to focus on the concept of growth mindset in school which was a universal thing that they trained all the teachers and that had a disproportionate effect on those children who were on free school meals. Individual intervention per child had to be targeted at those children who were eligible for free school meals, but sometimes a school would employ a whole-school approach to train their staff, for instance, and that had a disproportionate effect on free school meals.", "title": "Discussion on Appropriate Money Targeted for Pupil Development", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eligibility , free school meals , best measure", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if the eligibility for free school meals was the best measure. Kirsty Williams AM said that it was the best they got at present.", "title": "Best Measure for Free Food Eligibility", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eligibility , free school meals , best measure", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if they were content that eligibility for free school meals was the best measure to identify target pupils. Kirsty Williams AM said that it was probably the best they got at present and they would discuss with the local government whether there were different ways and be mindful that potentially this had an impact going forward.", "title": "Best Measure for Free Food Eligibility", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pdg", "speaker": "Darren Millar AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Darren Millar AM said supposed they maintained the current level of PDG but then reduce the level of PDG slightly and made it available to more individuals by allocating it in a different way, then that \u00a340 million price ticket wouldn't be there. Kirsty Williams AM said that they could indeed change the way they allocate PDG money but do it within the available envelope available of over \u00a390 million and that they could cut the amount per pupil but that might have quite challenging swings in allocations.", "title": "Allocation of the PDG Money", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "pdg", "speaker": "Darren Millar AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Darren Millar AM said supposed the PDG level was reduced slightly and made available to more individuals the \u00a340 million price ticket wouldn't be there. Kirsty Williams AM said the PDG money had to be within the available envelope of over \u00a390 million.", "title": "Allocation of the PDG Money", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "flexibility", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM suggested they change on the issue of free school meals pupils being in the same group for that whole year. Kirsty Williams AM said they were giving thought to the flexibility of the issue.", "title": "Flexibility on Once a Year Issue", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "flexibility", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM suggested the issue of once a year, where if you were eligible for free school meals, then you were in that group for that year that they should be flexible with it since it was difficult for long-term planning for a number of schools. Kirsty Williams AM said they were certainly giving thought to flexibility and maybe longer-term projections, so that schools know, for a number of years ahead, what their allocation would be since the number of free school meal pupils was dropping.", "title": "Flexibility on Once a Year Issue", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 13 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Bore da. I just want to start by asking some questions around the targeting of the pupil development grant because, clearly, we've had a lot of evidence around this apparent blurring of eligibility to an extent. I'm just wondering how comfortable you are that the money is being targeted appropriately because, clearly, it's being targeted more widely than just those eligible for free school meals, from some of the evidence we've had, but also that it seems to be predominantly focused on low-attaining frees\u2014pupils who are eligible for free school meals.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Thank you, Llyr. I think it's important to be absolutely clear that when it comes to individual interventions, those individual interventions should only be targeted at those children who are eligible for free school meals. But in some cases, schools may use their PDG funding to provide a universal intervention, but we would want to\u2014in challenge advisers' discussions in schools\u2014we'd want to have evidence that that universal intervention would have a disproportionate effect on the outcomes for children on free school meals. So, for instance, if I give you an example in your own region, Llyr: at Brynteg County Primary School in Wrexham, if you look at that primary school in Wrexham, their results for free-school-meal children at the end of their primary school period in school are equivalent to their non-free-school-meal counterparts. So, there is no differentiation in those results. One of the things that they've used their PDG for is to really focus on the concept of growth mindset in school. So, that's a universal thing that they've trained all the teachers in, but what we know is that that has a disproportionate effect on those children who are on free school meals. So, if you're familiar with the concept of a growth mindset, it's about really challenging learners to think that, 'I can do things. If sometimes I fail, I pick myself up, I'm more resilient.' Now, that has been, as I said, trained to all the teachers in the school\u2014it's an ethos for the whole school\u2014but we have seen that the impact on the free-school-meal children has been even greater, and now they're at the same level. So, that's the important distinction. Individual intervention per child has to be targeted at those children who are eligible\u00a0for free school meals, but sometimes a school will employ a whole-school approach to train their staff, for instance, and that, then, has to demonstrate it has a disproportionate effect on free school meals. So, growth mindset; it may be attachment disorder training for staff, for instance, where we know it's of benefit to everybody, but will have particular benefits for that cohort of students. With regard to more able and talented, you know, Llyr, that this is an area of concern for me, generally, within the Welsh education system; that we've not been particularly good at identifying, supporting and driving attainment for those children. I'm absolutely clear that PDG needs to be used for those children who are eligible to drive potential, whatever the potential of that child is, including more able and talented. And again, I'll give you an example that has been seen as good practice in Pembrokeshire: a window on the world bus, again paid for by schools. I don't know if you're aware of it.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : We've heard about that.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Oh, you've heard about it; well, it's a really good example the window on the world. And, again, that's very much targeted at raising aspirations and giving children who are more able and talented, who are eligible for PDG, those experiences,\u00a0and to really push them. So, yes, I'm absolutely clear that PDG shouldn't just be seen to be getting individuals to the average. For those children who are more able and talented, it should be used to support them\u2014", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : And we all share those aspirations, I'm sure, and you pointed to examples of good practice, but of course, it's not universal, is it, so what I'm asking is: do you think that the guidance is sufficient as it is? Do you think that there's a great enough awareness of how the PDG should be used at the coalface? And also, are you confident that consortia and others have the measures in place to be able to demonstrate that\u00a0it is being used properly?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think, if we look at what Estyn has said about PDG, it does actually recognise that the PDG is being used to push more able and talented children, but as always with the system, Llyr, it's whether we can be sure that that is strategic and that it's happening across all of our schools. So, you're\u2014", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : But not just in relation to more able and talented, I'm referring to the eligibility and the targeting.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Oh, the eligibility. You'll be aware that, on the advice of Sir Alasdair, we have employed and appointed new PDG regional advisers, and I think their role is going to be absolutely crucial in spreading that good practice across the region, whether that's use of PDG for more able and talented, or ensuring that PDG is used in the appropriate way. So, that's there to provide strategic overall advice. And obviously, we have been very clear with regional challenge advisers, in the relationship and the conversations they're having with individual schools, that they're really challenging their schools about the use of PDG, not just in terms of targeting, but the programmes, what the money is being spent on, whether there is an evidence base for that and whether we are clear on impact. So, I think the new regional advisers are going to be crucial in enabling us to ensure more consistent practice across the regions.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : So, are you content that eligibility for free school meals is the best measure, really, of identifying which pupils to target?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Llyr, in the absence of anything better. I'll be the first person to say that maybe it's not as absolutely focused, but in the absence of anything different to identify a proxy for need, I think it's probably the best that\u00a0we've got at present. And we will continue to have discussions with local government about whether there\u00a0are different ways. We have to be mindful. Some of the policy levers in this area are out of my hands, so if we look at the roll-out of universal credit, for instance, we've got officials working very hard at the moment to try and understand what universal credit is going to mean and where we are going to be able to identify relative need, going forward. We haven't had any additional resource as a result of this, but we're very mindful that, potentially, this has an impact, going forward. And, officials are working all of the time, I must say, in conjunction with the department in England, to understand their thinking in this area so that we are in a position to make some decisions about what a notional eligibility for free school meals will look like going forward, but before I make any decisions, I want to assure everybody that\u00a0there will be a full public consultation on that.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Okay. Finally for now, on this issue of once a year, in January, if you're eligible for free school meals, then you're in that\u00a0group for that year. We've had some quite strong evidence about how difficult that makes longer term planning for a number of schools and we've also been pointed in the direction of what's happened in England with the Ever 6, and I'm just wondering\u00a0whether you're giving any thought to maybe changing that a little bit.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, we're certainly giving thought to flexibility. In conversations with Alasdair, who is our independent adviser on this agenda, and individual schools, we're actively giving thought to greater flexibility and maybe longer term projections, so that schools know, for a number of years ahead, what their allocation will be. There are advantages to that system, because you could give that flexibility, you could give that long-term approach, but then, how do you make that responsive if a school suddenly has more children? We do know that, actually, the number of free-school-meal pupils is dropping. But there can be changes, you know, regional working in areas of north Wales in tourism, or maybe in other areas at Christmas time, parents are able to get a period of work.\u00a0So, how can we create a more flexible system? We're actively looking at that at the moment. I wouldn't use it as an Ever 6\u00a0concept, but as an 'Ever 2' concept. We have looked at Ever 6,\u00a0and I'm going to be absolutely blunt with you: to introduce an Ever 6\u00a0concept for Wales would mean in the region of identifying an additional \u00a340 million. I'm going to be absolutely straight and blunt with you: we're not in a position at the moment to be able to identify an additional \u00a340 million to introduce an Ever 6. But issues around flexibility, certainly, are actively under consideration. In fact, we'll be having a discussion later on today about decisions, going forward, for the next two years.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Darren on this.", "Darren Millar AM : It's just a very brief point in response to the \u00a340 million price ticket that you just put on that. That's, of course, assuming that you maintain the current level of PDG,\u00a0yes? So, if you reduced the level of PDG slightly, but made it available to more individuals, if you like, via allocating it in a different way, then that \u00a340 million price ticket wouldn't be there, would it?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I was asked a question about had I ever\u00a0considered an Ever 6. We have looked at that, we've priced that up. I have to make decisions in the envelope of resources that are available to me. We could, indeed, change the way in which we allocate PDG money, but we have to do it within the envelope that is available to me, over \u00a390 million. That's a significant level of investment, but, of course, as always, Darren, we could cut the amount per pupil, but that might have quite challenging swings in allocations. What we have done\u2014because what I am clear on is that there was evidence to suggest that in the secondary sector, a great deal of PDG was being focused on years 10 and 11, especially year 11, in catch-up provision, and you'll be aware, because we've said this in evidence to the committee in the papers, we've set a challenge to secondary schools to say, 'Actually, the majority of your PDG allocation has to be used in key stage 3.'\u00a0Now, we have to balance the needs, the moral hazard of turning round to children in years 10 and 11 and saying, 'We're\u00a0not going to provide catch-up opportunities for you,'\u00a0because, clearly, those children need that support. But the evidence and the advice that we're receiving is: actually, strong focus on early years, primary and key stage 3, if we get that right, should negate the need for spending money on catch-up at years 10 and 11. That's why we, in our advice to local authorities and schools, say that we want to see evidence that they're spending this money earlier on in a child's career, rather than just a scramble at year 11 to say, 'Right, we've got to get you through your exams.'", "Darren Millar AM : Okay, but have you actively considered, then, reducing the level you have?", "Kirsty Williams AM : We've\u2014", "Ruth Conway : Sorry\u2014I was just going to say that one of the things is looking at the scope of the definition,\u00a0and I think it's about being more flexible with the definition, rather than reducing the amount per head.", "Darren Millar AM : Okay. Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 2, "turns": [ 77, 430 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "production costs , product", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned that the production costs of the product were high. Project Manager added that what made it expensive was the solar cell. Project Manager suggested leaving out the solar cells and not using the voice recognition feature. Project Manager uttered that the model was a luxury type. 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Industrial Designer agreed with Project Manager's opinion about the product and suggested the selling price be at fifty Euros.", "title": "Product Refocusing", "relevant_turns": [ 40, 42, 44, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 63, 70, 74, 314, 316, 319, 329, 331, 333, 335, 338, 340, 342, 344, 348 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "production costs", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer proposed to try another market segment. Industrial Designer suggested to go for straight and simple but remembered that it was not what they were asked and should had kicked the board's. 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So I guess we should skip that ,", "Industrial Designer : Well it's very expensive .", "Project Manager : because it's not that important .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Why does the price and and the s oh , one uh exa", "Project Manager : Yeah , the the price , the the number of items and the the sum .", "User Interface : yeah . The number of uh {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : Um well , this is what I would call our luxury model . Um if you would {disfmarker}", "User Interface : And and does it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : if you look at the uh w w w what we could do to make it more um {vocalsound} to make it {vocalsound} just between the twelve Euro fifty , um then I did the following changes . Twelve Euro forty cents I came up with by leaving out the solar cells , um by not using the voice recognition feature ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : because it's uh it's a four Euro uh addition to the price .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} Yeah , I believe {disfmarker} Uh , push-button , well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It makes it the thirteen {disfmarker} yeah . Push-buttons are {disfmarker} buttons are are not the most expensive , but do add extra cost .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : So um {disfmarker} yeah , th this design is not um within our price model .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But I'm afraid it's not complete . Because we use spec uh specic uh special materials , the last item . And you have not added one item there .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So it's c way too expensive .", "Project Manager : It's still too expensive , yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But that's that's only for the buttons .", "Project Manager : I I guess if we leave the {disfmarker} if we leave this one out , um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So the button we can use plastic .", "Project Manager : oh . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And uh maybe not use the special form .", "User Interface : And the pla uh {disfmarker} And a plastic b just plastic buttons , a plas uh instead of rubber .", "Industrial Designer : But it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It becomes a very dull remote control , I know .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : But it's the board decision . Um {disfmarker} And um {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Well , b basically it {vocalsound} {disfmarker} when when this is our only option , we should even consider changing the casing , because I think there's very little added value in uh an enhanced case with these dull functions .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , I know . Maybe we should look at an {disfmarker} uh focus on another uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} Type of m maybe another market segment .", "Project Manager : Yeah , m uh maybe not not all that fancy , but just way way more easy uh uh um basic", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and uh m maximise the profits", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : and um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's {disfmarker} maybe that's better . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe we could uh {disfmarker} we should go for straight and simple ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but that's not what uh has been asked .", "Project Manager : I know , I know .", "Industrial Designer : So we should kick the board's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Although I think we {disfmarker} yeah , but we could still make uh a remote control that ap uh um applies um more to young people uh by giving it another colour already .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Um so it is possible to make uh uh a device that attracts a little bit more to young people .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Um but uh I agree it's it's not a fancy high-tech uh device . Definitely not , no . {vocalsound} It's not that innovative .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Or however you s pronounce that .", "User Interface : Yeah , too bad . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um so , okay . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Oh ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : this is the wrong one . So uh that means redesign . {vocalsound} We do not have the time o uh now to to redesign the product .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} but we can evaluate the process and um uh uh the satisfaction on how things went . Um I'm not sure if we need to evaluate uh the device first . I guess {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um well , since we're not gonna manufacture it anyway {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's true .", "Industrial Designer : Well , maybe it's good to do it anyway , because if we evaluate it , we we can also determine if our objectives are good .", "Project Manager : We l we can learn . Yeah . Yeah . I agree .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : The product is is is uh b high qua uh has a high quality and and is uh advanced . But {vocalsound} whether or not our clients are are um willing to pay twenty five Euros for this kind of device is doub is {disfmarker} well , is not sure .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : D do you agree ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes , I agree . I {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Maybe even because it doesn't look advanced .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Maybe we should have a radar uh {vocalsound} function . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yes .", "User Interface : But we could {disfmarker} couldn't uh {disfmarker} what what's the selling price ? Fifty ?", "Project Manager : Twenty five Euros .", "User Interface : Uh twenty five . And costs were twelve fifty .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : But even now , if only our production costs w {vocalsound} uh were exceeded the double , Think . Production cost was {disfmarker} were t uh was twenty two ?", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So uh {gap} selling price uh would be uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : M about fifty Euros .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's quite ex", "User Interface : That's price , but w w", "Industrial Designer : well , it's not it's not very expensive for a remote control that that has this functionality .", "User Interface : No . An original remote control of any T_V_ kind , uh a Phillips remote control , y you pay uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , it's more than fifty Euros . It's quite expensive , yes .", "User Interface : Yeah , I kn I know uh from a few years ago , it it it costed hundred Gilders .", "Project Manager : Bu but {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} yeah , I know , but you're paying for th for the brand , because there are uh remote controls which control your stereo , television , D_V_D_ , C_D_ player , for under twenty five Euros .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Yes , but you can you c Yes , but you can learn this thing , all these functions .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And it's easier to use because those uh remote controls don't offer voice recognition", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : and this one does .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So I think it's worth its price .", "Project Manager : Okay . Um you had an overall rating . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , but uh {vocalsound} with these ratings uh", "Project Manager : That's counting .", "Industrial Designer : Well , it's it's about one point five . Something like that .", "Marketing : should be about one point s seven ,", "User Interface : Four six seven eight .", "Marketing : yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Nine divided by six ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 38, "turns": [ 117, 252 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B talked about what they had done in the past using the neural net to transform all the features they used in the past and it was done early on, likened it to a speech enhancement technique in that case. Added they did a mess of other things and produced a bunch of features.", "title": "Speech Enhancement Technique", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "features", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B guessed it was more or less like a speech enhancement technique and said the features were not currently transformed by the neural net at that time. Added the way they had it in their proposal-two, they had the neural net transformed and they had the untransformed features and guessed it was done linearly to transform with KLT. They talked about the testing set, which was quite different from what they had trained their discriminant features for.", "title": "Transforming and Untransforming Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD E" }, "summary": "PhD E said because of the way of dropping frames they improved over the baseline by fourteen percent and Sunil showed that with their current VDA they could improve by more than twenty percent.", "title": "Percentage Improvements of the VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD E" }, "summary": "PhD E talked about how dropping frames improved over the baseline and also said their current VAD was more than twenty percent, while theirs was fourteen.", "title": "Percentage of the Current VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "delay", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B spoke of an observation made. Professor B talked about the LDA and the Wiener filtering which was not additive. PhD C asked about the LDA and explained they removed the delay of the LDA. PhD C also said the LDA delays were more. Professor B pointed out a forty milliseconds delay.", "title": "Delay of the LDA", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 83 ], 88, 95 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "delay", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; noticing on this that it makes reference to delay. PhD C; if so which is like if we reduce the delay of VA So, the final delay's now is determined by the delay of the VAD because the LDA doesn't have any delay. So if we reduce the delay of the VAD, it's like effectively reducing the delay.", "title": "Delay of the VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 83 ], 88, 95 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "neural net", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD A asked about wanting to run it on the output of the spectrally subtracted. Professor B said they had to consider its latency and the issue was if they could have a neural net that only looked at the past. Talked about those features not being currently transformed by the neural net. Guessed it was linearly transformed with the KLT.", "title": "State of Features by the Neural Net", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 13, 15 ], 19 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "neural net", "speaker": "PhD A Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD A asked where the neural net goes conceptually. Professor B said they were not processed through a neural net. Recalled Stephane's idea, which was that they would have one part of the feature vector that was very discriminant and another part that was not. Pointed out they had to be a little conscious, the neural net issue, the VAD issue. There was the second stream thing also. Thought they had agreed on the three things that had to be focused on.", "title": "Stephane's Idea on the Feature Vector", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 13, 15 ], 19 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "milliseconds", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD E" }, "summary": "Professor B guessed they still allowed two hundred milliseconds on either side or some. PhD E talked of the milliseconds that were kept in the duration of the speech.", "title": "The Number of Milliseconds During the Speech", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "milliseconds", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD E" }, "summary": "Professor B asked what the deal was. PhD E said they kept two hundred milliseconds during the speech.", "title": "Number of Milliseconds During the Speech Duration", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 33 ], [ 54, 58 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : But just conceptually , where does the neural net go ? Do {disfmarker} do you wanna h run it on the output of the spectrally subtracted {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : Well , depending on its size {disfmarker} Well , one question is , is it on the , um , server side or is it on the terminal side ? Uh , if it 's on the server side , it {disfmarker} you probably don't have to worry too much about size .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So that 's kind of an argument for that . We do still , however , have to consider its latency . So the issue is {disfmarker} is , um , {vocalsound} for instance , could we have a neural net that only looked at the past ?", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : Um , what we 've done in uh {disfmarker} in the past is to use the neural net , uh , to transform , {vocalsound} um , all of the features that we use . So this is done early on . This is essentially , {vocalsound} um , um {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's more or less like a spee a speech enhancement technique here {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : right ? {disfmarker} where we 're just kind of creating {vocalsound} new {disfmarker} if not new speech at least new {disfmarker} new FFT 's that {disfmarker} that have {disfmarker} you know , which could be turned into speech {disfmarker} uh , that {disfmarker} that have some of the noise removed .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um , after that we still do a mess of other things to {disfmarker} to produce a bunch of features .", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : And then those features are not now currently transformed {vocalsound} by the neural net . And then the {disfmarker} the way that we had it in our proposal - two before , we had the neural net transformed features and we had {vocalsound} the untransformed features , which I guess you {disfmarker} you actually did linearly transform with the KLT ,", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah . Right .", "Professor B : but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} uh , to orthogonalize them {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but they were not , uh , processed through a neural net . And Stephane 's idea with that , as I recall , was that {vocalsound} you 'd have one part of the feature vector that was very discriminant and another part that wasn't ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : uh , which would smooth things a bit for those occasions when , uh , the testing set was quite different than what you 'd trained your discriminant features for . So , um , all of that is {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} still seems like a good idea . The thing is now we know some other constraints . We can't have unlimited amounts of latency . Uh , y you know , that 's still being debated by the {disfmarker} by people in Europe but , {vocalsound} uh , no matter how they end up there , it 's not going to be unlimited amounts ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : so we have to be a little conscious of that . Um . So there 's the neural net issue . There 's the VAD issue . And , uh , there 's the second stream {pause} thing . And I think those that we {disfmarker} last time we agreed that those are the three things that have to get , uh , focused on .", "PhD A : What was the issue with the VAD ?", "Professor B : Well , better {comment} ones are good .", "PhD A : And so the w the default , uh , boundaries that they provide are {disfmarker} they 're OK , but they 're not all that great ?", "Professor B : I guess they still allow two hundred milliseconds on either side or some ? Is that what the deal is ?", "PhD E : Mm - hmm . Uh , so th um , they keep two hundred milliseconds at the beginning and end of speech . And they keep all the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Outside the beginnings and end .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD E : And all the speech pauses , which is {disfmarker} Sometimes on the SpeechDat - Car you have pauses that are more than one or two seconds .", "PhD A : Wow .", "PhD E : More than one second for sure . Um .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "PhD E : Yeah . And , yeah , it seems to us that this way of just dropping the beginning and end is not {disfmarker} We cou we can do better , I think ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : because , um , {vocalsound} with this way of dropping the frames they improve {pause} over the baseline by fourteen percent and {vocalsound} Sunil already showed that with our current VAD we can improve by more than twenty percent .", "PhD A : On top of the VAD that they provide ?", "PhD C : No .", "PhD E : Just using either their VAD or our current VAD .", "PhD C : Our way .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "PhD E : So , our current VAD is {disfmarker} is more than twenty percent , while their is fourteen .", "PhD A : Theirs is fourteen ? I see .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD A : Huh .", "PhD E : So . Yeah . And {pause} another thing that we did also is that we have all this training data for {disfmarker} let 's say , for SpeechDat - Car . We have channel zero which is clean , channel one which is far - field microphone . And if we just take only the , um , VAD probabilities computed on the clean signal and apply them on the far - field , uh , test utterances , {vocalsound} then results are much better .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : In some cases it divides the error rate by two .", "PhD A : Wow .", "PhD E : So it means that there are stim {comment} still {disfmarker}", "PhD A : How {disfmarker} how much latency does the , uh {disfmarker} does our VAD add ?", "PhD E : If {disfmarker} if we can have a good VAD , well , it would be great .", "PhD A : Is it significant ,", "PhD E : Uh , right now it 's , um , a neural net with nine frames .", "PhD A : or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : So it 's forty milliseconds plus , um , the rank ordering , which , uh , should be", "PhD C : Like another ten frames .", "PhD E : ten {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad D : Rank . Oh .", "PhD E : So , right now it 's one hundred and forty {pause} milliseconds .", "Professor B : With the rank ordering {disfmarker} ? I 'm sorry .", "PhD C : The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the smoothing {disfmarker} the m the {disfmarker} the filtering of the probabilities .", "PhD E : The {disfmarker} The , um {disfmarker}", "PhD C : on the R .", "PhD E : Yeah . It 's not a median filtering . It 's just {disfmarker} We don't take the median value . We take something {disfmarker} Um , so we have eleven , um , frames .", "Professor B : Oh , this is for the VAD .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : And {disfmarker} for the VAD , yeah {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Oh , OK .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : and we take th the third .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad D : Dar", "PhD E : Um .", "Professor B : Yeah . Um . So {disfmarker} {comment} Yeah , I was just noticing on this that it makes reference to delay .", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : So what 's the {disfmarker} ? If you ignore {disfmarker} Um , the VAD is sort of in {disfmarker} in parallel , isn't i isn't it , with {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} ? I mean , it isn't additive with the {disfmarker} the , uh , LDA and the Wiener filtering , and so forth .", "PhD C : The LDA ?", "Professor B : Right ?", "PhD C : Yeah . So {disfmarker} so what happened right now , we removed the delay of the LDA .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : So we {disfmarker} I mean , if {disfmarker} so if we {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} so which is like if we reduce the delay of VA So , the f the final delay 's now ba is f determined by the delay of the VAD , because the LDA doesn't have any delay . So if we re if we reduce the delay of the VAD , I mean , it 's like effectively reducing the delay .", "PhD A : How {disfmarker} how much , uh , delay was there on the LDA ?", "PhD C : So the LDA and the VAD both had a hundred millisecond delay . So and they were in parallel , so which means you pick either one of them {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Mmm .", "PhD C : the {disfmarker} the biggest , whatever .", "PhD A : I see .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : So , right now the LDA delays are more .", "Professor B : And there {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : And there didn't seem to be any , uh , penalty for that ? There didn't seem to be any penalty for making it causal ?", "PhD C : Pardon ? Oh , no . It actually made it , like , point one percent better or something , actually .", "Professor B : OK . Well , may as well , then .", "PhD C : Or something like that", "Professor B : And he says Wiener filter is {disfmarker} is forty milliseconds delay .", "PhD C : and {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So is it {disfmarker} ?", "PhD C : Yeah . So that 's the one which Stephane was discussing , like {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : The smoothing ?", "PhD C : Yeah . The {disfmarker} you smooth it and then delay the decision by {disfmarker} So .", "Professor B : Right . OK . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's really not {disfmarker} not bad . So we may in fact {disfmarker} we 'll see what they decide . We may in fact have , {vocalsound} um , the {disfmarker} the , uh , latency time available for {disfmarker} to have a neural net . I mean , sounds like we probably will . So .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : That 'd be good . Cuz I {disfmarker} cuz it certainly always helped us before . So .", "PhD A : What amount of latency are you thinking about when you say that ?", "Professor B : Uh . Well , they 're {disfmarker} you know , they 're disputing it .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor B : You know , they 're saying , uh {disfmarker} one group is saying a hundred and thirty milliseconds and another group is saying two hundred and fifty milliseconds . Two hundred and fifty is what it was before actually . So ,", "PhD A : Oh .", "Professor B : uh , some people are lobbying {disfmarker} lobbying {comment} to make it shorter .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : Um . And , um .", "PhD A : Were you thinking of the two - fifty or the one - thirty when you said we should {pause} have enough for the neural net ?", "Professor B : Well , it just {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} when we find that out it might change exactly how we do it , is all .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : I mean , how much effort do we put into making it causal ? I mean , {vocalsound} I think the neural net will probably do better if it looks at a little bit of the future .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : But , um , it will probably work to some extent to look only at the past . And we ha you know , limited machine and human time , and {vocalsound} effort . And , you know , how {disfmarker} how much time should we put into {disfmarker} into that ? So it 'd be helpful if we find out from the {disfmarker} the standards folks whether , you know , they 're gonna restrict that or not .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um . But I think , you know , at this point our major concern is making the performance better and {disfmarker} and , um , {vocalsound} if , uh , something has to take a little longer in latency in order to do it that 's {pause} you know , a secondary issue .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : But if we get told otherwise then , you know , we may have to c clamp down a bit more .", "Grad D : Mmm .", "PhD C : So , the one {disfmarker} one {disfmarker} one difference is that {disfmarker} was there is like we tried computing the delta and then doing the frame - dropping .", "Grad D : S", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : The earlier system was do the frame - dropping and then compute the delta on the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD C : So this {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Which could be a kind of a funny delta . Right ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Oh , oh . So that 's fixed in this . Yeah , we talked about that .", "PhD C : Yeah . So we have no delta . And then {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah . Uh - huh .", "Professor B : Good ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 9, "turns": [ 19, 89 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "XML format , link up , different components , data", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD F asked about the kinds of database format to link up word transcripts, annotations, or anything that transcribers or discourse coders put in the signal. Grad C replied they developed an XML format for that and explained that it was like having a single time-line, with the possibility of having different sections, to which you could refer from, so there would be a bunch of times. PhD F asked what to do with transcriptions where the words were staying, but the time boundaries were changing. PhD A answered that the solution was to change stamps in the time without changing the I DS, so you'd be able to propagate all the information, by changing the time-line. PhD F said there could be some file that configures how much information to have in the XML. Grad C agreed and added there could be multiple versions, and as it was, it would be OK for word level.", "title": "XML Files to Link up Information", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 10, 12 ], [ 36, 39 ], [ 59, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "XML format , link up , different components , data", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Discussing the database format to link up word transcripts and annotations, the development of an XML format was mentioned, which could have a bunch of times that allowed propagating all the information according to the needs.", "title": "XML Files to Link up Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 10, 12 ], [ 36, 39 ], [ 59, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "XML format , link up , different components , data", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F asked about the kinds of database format to link up word transcripts, annotations, or anything that transcribers or discourse coders put in the signal. PhD F said the XML seemed great for all of the encodings with time, and asked about a forced alignment in regard of what to do with transcriptions where the words were staying, but the time boundaries were changing because of a new recognition output. PhD F said there could be some file that configures how much information to have in the XML for a better understanding because it could get very bush.", "title": "PhD F's View on XML Files to Link up Data", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 32, 36 ], 59, 64 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "XML format , link up , different components , data", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F asked about the database format to link up word transcripts or annotations, then, PhD F said the XML developed for that end seemed great for the encoding with time, and asked about a forced alignment where the words were staying, but the time boundaries were changing. PhD F mentioned the possibility to configure the quantity of information in the XML.", "title": "PhD F's View on XML Files to Link Up Data", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 32, 36 ], 59, 64 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "XML format , link up , different components , data", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "In response to what to do with transcriptions where the words were staying, but the time boundaries were changing, PhD A answered that the solution was to change stamps in the time without changing the I DS, so all the information could be propagated, but the time-line would be huge. PhD A first wondered why wouldn't it be used for phone-level, then, considering that it was a matter of being bigger, PhD A agreed the XML format, as it was, was OK for word-level.", "title": "PhD A's View on XML Files to Link up Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 36, 40 ], [ 50, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "XML format , link up , different components , data", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A explained the solution for force alignment was changing stamps in the time without changing the I DS, so the data could be propagated, nevertheless the time-line would be huge, then agreed the XML format was OK for word-level.", "title": "PhD A's View on XML Files to Link up Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 36, 40 ], [ 50, 69 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD F : I was gonna try to get out of here , like , in half an hour , um , cuz I really appreciate people coming , and {vocalsound} the main thing that I was gonna ask people to help with today is {pause} to give input on what kinds of database format we should {pause} use in starting to link up things like word transcripts and annotations of word transcripts , so anything that transcribers or discourse coders or whatever put in the signal , {vocalsound} with time - marks for , like , words and phone boundaries and all the stuff we get out of the forced alignments and the recognizer . So , we have this , um {disfmarker} I think a starting point is clearly the {disfmarker} the channelized {pause} output of Dave Gelbart 's program , which Don brought a copy of ,", "Grad C : Yeah . Yeah , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm familiar with that . I mean , we {disfmarker} I sort of already have developed an XML format for this sort of stuff .", "PhD F : um , which {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Can I see it ?", "Grad C : And so the only question {disfmarker} is it the sort of thing that you want to use or not ? Have you looked at that ? I mean , I had a web page up .", "PhD F : Right . So ,", "Grad C : So {disfmarker}", "PhD F : I actually mostly need to be able to link up , or {disfmarker} I it 's {disfmarker} it 's a question both of what the representation is and {disfmarker}", "Grad C : You mean , this {disfmarker} I guess I am gonna be standing up and drawing on the board .", "PhD F : OK , yeah . So you should , definitely .", "Grad C : Um , so {disfmarker} so it definitely had that as a concept . So tha it has a single time - line ,", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : and then you can have lots of different sections , each of which have I Ds attached to it , and then you can refer from other sections to those I Ds , if you want to . So that , um {disfmarker} so that you start with {disfmarker} with a time - line tag . \" Time - line \" . And then you have a bunch of times . I don't e I don't remember exactly what my notation was ,", "PhD A : Oh , I remember seeing an example of this .", "Grad C : but it {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Right , right .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : Yeah , \" T equals one point three two \" , uh {disfmarker} And then I {disfmarker} I also had optional things like accuracy , and then \" ID equals T one , uh , one seven \" . And then , {nonvocalsound} I also wanted to {disfmarker} to be i to be able to not specify specifically what the time was and just have a stamp .", "PhD F : Right .", "Grad C : Yeah , so these are arbitrary , assigned by a program , not {disfmarker} not by a user . So you have a whole bunch of those . And then somewhere la further down you might have something like an utterance tag which has \" start equals T - seventeen , end equals T - eighteen \" . So what that 's saying is , we know it starts at this particular time . We don't know when it ends .", "PhD F : OK .", "Grad C : Right ? But it ends at this T - eighteen , which may be somewhere else . We say there 's another utterance . We don't know what the t time actually is but we know that it 's the same time as this end time .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Grad C : You know , thirty - eight , whatever you want .", "PhD A : So you 're essentially defining a lattice .", "Grad C : OK . Yes , exactly .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : And then , uh {disfmarker} and then these also have I Ds . Right ? So you could {disfmarker} you could have some sort of other {disfmarker} other tag later in the file that would be something like , um , oh , I don't know , {comment} uh , {nonvocalsound} \" noise - type equals {nonvocalsound} door - slam \" . You know ? And then , uh , {nonvocalsound} you could either say \" time equals a particular time - mark \" or you could do other sorts of references . So {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or you might have a prosody {disfmarker} \" Prosody \" right ? D ? T ? D ? T ? T ?", "PhD F : It 's an O instead of an I , but the D is good .", "Grad C : You like the D ? That 's a good D .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad C : Um , you know , so you could have some sort of type here , and then you could have , um {disfmarker} the utterance that it 's referring to could be U - seventeen or something like that .", "PhD F : OK . So , I mean , that seems {disfmarker} that seems g great for all of the encoding of things with time and ,", "Grad C : Oh , well .", "PhD F : um {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess my question is more , uh , what d what do you do with , say , a forced alignment ?", "PhD A : How - how", "PhD F : I mean you 've got all these phone labels , and what do you do if you {disfmarker} just conceptually , if you get , um , transcriptions where the words are staying but the time boundaries are changing , cuz you 've got a new recognition output , or s sort of {disfmarker} what 's the , um , sequence of going from the waveforms that stay the same , the transcripts that may or may not change , and then the utterance which {disfmarker} where the time boundaries that may or may not change {disfmarker} ?", "PhD A : Oh , that 's {disfmarker} That 's actually very nicely handled here because you could {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker} all you 'd have to change is the , {vocalsound} um , time - stamps in the time - line without {disfmarker} without , uh , changing the I Ds .", "PhD F : Um . And you 'd be able to propagate all of the {disfmarker} the information ?", "Grad C : Right . That 's , the who that 's why you do that extra level of indirection . So that you can just change the time - line .", "PhD A : Except the time - line is gonna be huge . If you say {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Yes .", "PhD F : Yeah ,", "PhD A : suppose you have a phone - level alignment .", "PhD F : yeah , especially at the phone - level .", "PhD A : You 'd have {disfmarker} you 'd have {disfmarker}", "PhD F : The {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we have phone - level backtraces .", "Grad C : Yeah , this {disfmarker} I don't think I would do this for phone - level . I think for phone - level you want to use some sort of binary representation", "PhD F : Um {disfmarker}", "Grad C : because it 'll be too dense otherwise .", "PhD F : OK . So , if you were doing that and you had this sort of companion , uh , thing that gets called up for phone - level , uh , what would that look like ?", "PhD A : Why", "Grad C : I would use just an existing {disfmarker} an existing way of doing it .", "PhD F : How would you {disfmarker} ?", "PhD A : Mmm . But {disfmarker} but why not use it for phone - level ?", "PhD F : H h", "PhD A : It 's just a matter of {disfmarker} it 's just a matter of it being bigger . But if you have {disfmarker} you know , barring memory limitations , or uh {disfmarker} I w I mean this is still the m", "Grad C : It 's parsing limitations . I don't want to have this text file that you have to read in the whole thing to do something very simple for .", "PhD A : Oh , no . You would use it only {pause} for {pause} purposes where you actually want the phone - level information , I 'd imagine .", "PhD F : So you could have some file that configures how much information you want in your {disfmarker} in your XML or something .", "Grad C : Right . I mean , you 'd {disfmarker} y", "PhD F : Um ,", "PhD A : You {disfmarker}", "Grad C : I {disfmarker} I am imagining you 'd have multiple versions of this depending on the information that you want .", "PhD F : cuz th it does get very bush with {disfmarker} Right .", "Grad C : Um , I 'm just {disfmarker} what I 'm wondering is whether {disfmarker} I think for word - level , this would be OK .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad C : For word - level , it 's alright .", "PhD F : Yeah . Definitely .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : For lower than word - level , you 're talking about so much data that I just {disfmarker} I don't know . I don't know if that {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 27, "turns": [ 0, 10 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "canadian perinatal mental health collaborative , women , men", "speaker": "Ms. Heather McPherson ( Edmonton Strathcona , NDP )" }, "summary": "Ms. Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona, NDP) presented a petition on behalf of the Canadian Perinatal Mental Health Collaborative seeking the establishment of perinatal mental health strategies and testing systems in Canada as other countries have done.", "title": "Petition for the Creation of Perinatal Mental Health Strategy", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "canadian perinatal mental health collaborative , women , men", "speaker": "Ms. Heather McPherson ( Edmonton Strathcona , NDP )" }, "summary": "Ms. Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona, NDP) presented a petition by Canadian Perinatal Mental Health Collaborative seeking the establishment of a strategy for comprehensive and accessible health care to everyone in ante-natal and post-natal periods in order to curtail economic losses due to perinatal mental illness prevalent in ten to twenty percent of people in Canada.", "title": "Petition for the Creation of Perinatal Mental Health Strategy", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cystic fibrosis , patented medicine prices", "speaker": "Mr. Scott Reid ( LanarkFrontenacKingston , CPC )" }, "summary": "Mr. Scott Reid (LanarkFrontenacKingston, CPC) presented a petition to stall proposed unfavorable amendments by the patented medical prices review board in order to maintain the accessibility of life-saving medications for cystic fibrosis and other illnesses to Canadians by working with provinces to develop strategies for the delivery of the medications.", "title": "Accessibility of Life-Saving Medications", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cystic fibrosis , patented medicine prices ; Extractivness : Fully", "speaker": "Mr. Scott Reid ( LanarkFrontenacKingston , CPC )" }, "summary": "The Patented Medicine Prices Review Board, which is scheduled to go through some important and potentially detrimental regulatory changes very soon. They ask that the amendments to the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board be rescinded, as these will restrict Canadians from receiving life-saving medications for cystic fibrosis and other illnesses.", "title": "Accessibility of Life-Saving Medications", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "petitioners , family doctor shortage", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ( SaanichGulf Islands , GP )" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP) presented a petition calling on the Government to make collaborative and holistic efforts to find a solution to the severe shortage of family doctors in Canada making particular reference to the community of the petitioners.", "title": "Petition for a Solution to the Family Doctor Shortage", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "petitioners , family doctor shortage", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ( SaanichGulf Islands , GP )" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP) noted, according to the petitioners that millions of Canadian families didn't have a regular family doctor, especially in the rural areas. The petition called on the Government to collaborate with provinces and territories to ensure every family had a family doctor.", "title": "Petition for a Solution to the Family Doctor Shortage", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] } ], "source": [ "The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)) : I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the sixth meeting of the House of Commons Special Committee on the COVID-19 pandemic. Today's meeting is taking place by videoconference. Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. When you are ready to speak, please activate your mic. When you are not speaking, leave your mic on mute. Of course, change the language when you change the language on the screen. I would remind hon. members that if you want to speak English, you should be on the English channel; if you want to speak French, you should be on the French channel; and should you wish to alternate between the two languages, as I just did, you should change the channel to the language that you are speaking, each time you switch languages. In addition, please direct your remarks through the chair and speak slowly and clearly at all times to help our interpreters. Finally, for members who will be speaking, we strongly recommend that you use a headset. I recommend the headset for your fellow members, but also for the interpreters as it gets loud, up and down, and it squeaks. It really does make it difficult for them if you do not have the prescribed headsets. We'll go on to ministerial announcements. I understand that there are no ministerial announcements today, so we will proceed to presenting petitions, for a period not exceeding 15 minutes. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during a meeting of the special committee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. We will now proceed to presenting petitions.", "Ms. Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona, NDP) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. World Maternal Mental Health Day took place last week, and today I'd like to take a moment to present a very important petition on behalf of the Canadian Perinatal Mental Health Collaborative. Whereas perinatal mood and anxiety disorders are the most common obstetrical complication, whereas in Canada and worldwide 20% of women and 10% of men suffer from a perinatal mental illness, resulting in an annual economic cost to Canada of approximately $11 billion, and whereas the U.K., Australia and parts of the U.S. have perinatal mental health strategies and screening guidelines in place and Canada does not, the Canadian Perinatal Mental Health Collaborative is calling upon the House of Commons in Parliament assembled to create a national perinatal mental health strategy that will provide direction, policy and funding to develop specialized, comprehensive perinatal mental health care services, which include universal screening and timely access to treatment for all women and men during pregnancy and the postpartum period.", "Mr. Scott Reid (LanarkFrontenacKingston, CPC) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. My petition relates to cystic fibrosis. If we were in the House now, as May is Cystic Fibrosis Awareness Month, one of the days this month we would all be wearing yellow roses in sympathy and solidarity with those who suffer from what is the number one disease killer in Canada of young people. The petitioners have asked us to look at the situation with the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board, which is scheduled to go through some important and potentially detrimental regulatory changes very soon. They ask that the amendments to the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board be rescinded, as these will restrict Canadians from receiving life-saving medications for cystic fibrosis and other illnesses, but in particular, a medicine called Trikafta, which can have the effect of treating cystic fibrosis in the case of 90% of cystic fibrosis sufferers. They ask the government to work with the provinces to find a strategy to jointly allow for the delivery of this life-saving medicine to Canadians across the country and to take a leadership role in negotiating a price for gene modulators throughout all the provinces of Canada.", "Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's an honour to take the mike today, with all colleagues here. It's good to see you all virtually and safe. Petitioners in my community point out in this petition, which, of course, predates the pandemic, that the family doctor shortage is severe in this country. Nearly five million Canadians lack a regular family doctor. This problem is particularly profound in more rural areas, including, as the petitioners reference, the community in which I live, Sydney, British Columbia. We have a very significant crisis and a lack of family doctors. The petitioners call on the government to work with provinces and territories to find a collaborative, holistic solution so that every Canadian has a family doctor and we address the family doctor shortage.", "Mr. Brad Vis (MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon, CPC) : Good morning, Mr. Chair. I'm presenting a timely petition today that emphasizes the concerns constituents in my riding of MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon have with the Liberal government's inherently flawed and undemocratic approach to firearms legislation and regulation. The petitioners call upon the Government of Canada to stop targeting law-abiding firearms owners; to cancel all plans to confiscate firearms legally owned by federally licensed RCMP-vetted Canadians; to focus taxpayer dollars where they will actually increase public safety, which is on keeping at-risk youth from being involved in gangs and on anti-gang enforcement; and to provide our men and women in uniform at the Canada Border Services Agency with the resources they need to stop the flow of illegal guns into this country. Through this petition, my constituents take issue with how the Liberal government continues to target law-abiding firearms owners instead of the gangs, drug traffickers and illegal weapons smugglers responsible for the violence in our communities. They note that the use of the phrase military-style assault rifle is purely political posturing, as the term is undefined in Canadian law. They also draw attention to the numerous inaccuracies about current firearms legislation and regulation", "The Chair : I'd like to remind the honourable members that this is a concise prcis of what a petition says, not a speech. I'll let Mr. Vis continue. I'm sure he'll be very brief in wrapping up.", "Mr. Brad Vis : Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's sufficient.", "The Chair : Okay. Now we'll go to Mr. Johns.", "Mr. Gord Johns (CourtenayAlberni, NDP) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's a huge honour to table e-petition 2512, which was signed by 1,198 petitioners, primarily from the province of Nova Scotia. The Province of Nova Scotia invited multinational companies to scope out and develop expansive open-net salmon farming operations. The petitioners cite that the expansion would increase environmental degradation, as seen in similar aquaculture operations in British Columbia, Newfoundland, Norway, Vietnam and elsewhere in the world. It also, they cite, would pose risks to native fish stocks, pollute coastal ecosystems, impair at-risk wild Atlantic salmon, and threaten established fisheries and tourism operations. They also raise concerns that open-net fish farming would not create significant employment and would undermine existing lobster and other fisheries. They are calling on the government to uphold Bill C-68 and species-at-risk legislation, protect our oceans, ban expansion of open-net finfish aquaculture in our oceans, work to phase out any existing open-net fish farming operations currently in place and, lastly, invest in land-based, closed-containment finfish aquaculture. I want to thank these petitioners for fighting for clean oceans, for their local economy and for the well-being of Nova Scotia.", "Mr. Paul Manly (NanaimoLadysmith, GP) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. This petition was signed and sent in by constituents of my riding of NanaimoLadysmith. It calls upon the House of Commons to commit to upholding the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and the calls to action from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada by immediately halting all existing and planned construction of the Coastal GasLink project on Wet'suwet'en territory, ordering the RCMP to dismantle its exclusion zone and stand down, scheduling nation-to-nation talks between the Wet'suwet'en nation and the federal and provincial governmentssomething that has already happened, thankfullyand prioritizing the real implementation of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.", "Ms. Yasmin Ratansi (Don Valley East, Lib.) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have the pleasure of presenting a petition on behalf of my constituents of Don Valley East. The petitioners are asking that the Government of Canada not provide any financial assistance to Canadian airlines until they promptly provide full refunds for flights that were cancelled due to COVID-19. They are asking the same for any foreign airlines that fly to, within or from Canada. The petitioners feel that these Canadians are facing economic hardship and need a refund." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 189, 340 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Energy Source", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The industrial designer analyzed the various options available for the energy source for the remote control. The Industrial designer analyzed the following energy sources: hand dynamo, kinetic energy, and batteries. The industrial Designer described the functioning method of each energy source and highlighted the advantages and disadvantages of each energy source after which the Industrial designer concluded on using batteries with solar cells because the batteries with solar cells would be cheaper and more reliable. The industrial designer also mentioned that the kinetic energy source could be a possibility if combined with batteries.", "title": "Energy Source Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 41 ], [ 137, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Energy Source", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; brings me to the different energy sources: Hand dynamo, kinetic energy, and batteries; imagine like; winding up; there's also a kinetic energy supply; when you're watching TV; you have to make some kind of energy kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall , whatever you wish; the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy; you have a problem when you're watching a movie and uh you haven't moved the remote uh i remote control; in an amount of time , and you want t to switch uh the channel or something;maybe there's a possibility; combine it with m uh traditional batteries , so we can save on the batteries; when there's enough kinet kinetic energy , use the kinetic energy , and otherwise use the batteries; conclusion; chosen the more battery with solar cell uh solution for the energy . It's more reliable , it's cheaper.", "title": "Comparative Analysis of Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 41 ], [ 137, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Finishing", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The industrial designer mentioned plastic, rubber, wood, and titanium as the available options of finishing for the remote control stating the features and limiting factors of each finishing material. The industrial designer concluded on using wood finishing based on the market decision.", "title": "Remote Control Finishing Options", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 137 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Finishing", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The industrial Designer identified options for the remote control finishing and chose a finishing material based on the market observation.", "title": "Remote Control Finishing", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 137 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : But it's quite uh advanced and it's it's quite daring to to use I think . Um for these casings we have uh different types of finishing . We can use plastic , which is uh very slippery and maybe not so nice , but you can give it any colour , uh which is the same for rubber , but it's not slippery . We can use wood and titanium . Well , um we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases . And these latex cases , there's there's just the plastic ones uh won't allow the use of solar cells as an energy source {disfmarker} source . Which brings me to the different energy sources . {vocalsound} Um well , we even seem to have uh hand dyn dynamos for uh powering our uh {vocalsound} remote controls .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You really have to imagine like {vocalsound} winding up your {disfmarker} uh", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Great . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , it would be very new to the market ,", "Industrial Designer : I d", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It would be very new ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but it's a kind of a retro uh style , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : this is quite interesting . Uh there's there's also a kinetic energy supply . So um when you're watching T_V_ uh or when you're {disfmarker} you you have to um make some kind of energy {disfmarker} kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall , whatever you wish .", "User Interface : Like the watch .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It have {disfmarker} it it has to move , that's the the sense of it . And you can store the energy in the in the thing .", "Project Manager : I think um , if if I can hook on to that , um the kinetic thing is very funny .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . It's very funny indeed .", "Project Manager : I mean solar is {disfmarker} of course it's nice , but it's , well , your uh your calculator has a solar panel .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Indeed .", "Project Manager : Um hand dynamo {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But if you're watching a movie , how many times uh you take the the remote control and and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , maybe m", "User Interface : if uh if you have a watch , you have the kinetic uh idea in a watch also .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I know .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Yes .", "User Interface : You you walk", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : and uh {disfmarker} but uh you {disfmarker} you're sitting on a couch .", "Industrial Designer : But you know you know from your own watch {disfmarker} your watch uses uh a minimal con it consumes a minimal amount of energy . {gap} the the shaking of your body , which is almost uh every activity makes your uh body shake , uh it charges it . But uh the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy . So I think uh you have a problem when you're watching a movie and uh you haven't moved the remote uh i remote control in a {disfmarker} in an amount of time , and you want t to switch uh the channel or something ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . And wha", "Industrial Designer : well , m it might not work . So that's something you have to keep in mind .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So , but maybe {vocalsound} maybe there's a possibility com to combine it with m uh traditional batteries , so we can save on the batteries", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and um when there's enough kinet kinetic energy , use the kinetic energy , and otherwise use the batteries .", "Project Manager : Okay , because I guess the voice recognition feature u consumes quite a f uh a lot of power .", "Industrial Designer : Uh yes , it does .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I'll come to that later .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : my conclusion , um unfortunately the market has decided the {disfmarker} a little uh other than I thought . I thought um the market would like uh a sort m sort of titanium casing , but they seem to like natural uh stuff . So maybe we should think about uh wood finish . Um I've chosen the more battery with solar cell uh solution for the energy . It's more reliable , it's cheaper .", "Project Manager : Okay . Good .", "Industrial Designer : So I don't think we should use the dynamo thing . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Kineti okay .", "Industrial Designer : The kinetic thing it {gap} it's it's a possibility . It's it's more advanced , but I'm {disfmarker} I think you should combine it with batteries .", "Project Manager : Okay , it's maybe a bit too too flashy ,", "Industrial Designer : Otherwise it will not {disfmarker} too advanced ,", "Project Manager : too {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : uh well .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's {disfmarker} in in in some way it can give us an advance , because you will save on your batteries .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but that {disfmarker} that's the same with the solar cell . That's no different .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} Yes . And I think it's more robust .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : It's more uh Uh it's more functional ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 8, "turns": [ 24, 303 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dog", "speaker": "User Interface , Project manager" }, "summary": "The team drew their favorites animals, User Interface drew a dog, Project Manager asked why a dog, User Interface answered that they had a dog a few years ago, but the dog died.", "title": "User Interface and Project Manager Speaking About a Dog", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 17 ], [ 156, 182 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "dog", "speaker": "User Interface , Project manager" }, "summary": "The team drew their favorites animals as an exercise to know each other, User Interface drew a dog, Project manager asked why a dog and that if they had a dog, User Interface answered that they had a dog, a few years ago, but when it died they didn't get a new one or something, the team liked the drawing.", "title": "User Interface Drew a Dog for the Exercise", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 17 ], [ 156, 182 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "widths", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager explained the dynamic and said that it was important that they used different pen widths, later, Marketing repeated this instruction after User Interface said that they did not have to change the pen width while they drew, and Project Manager said that the pen had a kind of firm touch.", "title": "Project Manager, User Interface and Marketing Talking About the Pen Widths", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 20 ], [ 91, 113 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "widths", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they used different pen widths was important, after, User Interface said that they did not have to change that.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Pen Widths", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 20 ], [ 91, 113 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cat", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager drew a cat that had at home and was called Simba, later, Industrial Designer asked why was red, Project Manager answered that the cat's hair was red, User Interface said that it was a very bloody cat.", "title": "Project Manager's Cat Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 90 ], [ 116, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cat", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager; a cat; Industrial Designer; why; red? Project Manager; Because; cat is red; at home; User Interface; very bloody cat.", "title": "Project Manager's Red Cat", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 90 ], [ 116, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager explained that the project aim was made a new remote control. The company was very ambitious and they wanted originality and trendiness in the new remote control, but should be user-friendly. For this, there were three stages in the project, the functional design, the conceptual design, and the technical design and each stage were broken up into two stages, the individual work and the work meeting.", "title": "Project Manager Explains the Project Aim", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the project aim was to create a new remote control, trendy and user-friendly. With three design stages, each stage was broken up into two.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About the Project Aim", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rabbit", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "The team drew their favorites animals as an exercise, Industrial Designer drew a rabbit, Project Manager asked if they had a rabbit at home, Industrial Designer said no.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Rabbit Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 17 ], [ 209, 210 ], [ 249, 264 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rabbit", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer drew a green rabbit, Project Manager asked if they had one.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Green Rabbit Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 17 ], [ 209, 210 ], [ 249, 264 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "turtle", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "The team drew their favorites animals as an exercise to know each other, Marketing drew a turtle, Project manager asked why a turtle, Marketing answered that they liked a cartoon that had turtles, and said that their drawing was very artistic.", "title": "Marketing's Turtle Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 17 ], [ 114, 115 ], [ 123, 155 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "turtle", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; It is a turtle. Why a turtle; Marketing; Cause I liked Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles; Very artistic.", "title": "Marketing's Turtle Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 17 ], [ 114, 115 ], [ 123, 155 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Welcome at the kick-off meeting . My name is uh Danny Wolfs . {vocalsound} Uh this is the agenda for today . Uh first a little opening . Uh I will introduce myself , uh and uh I think it's very uh good to introduce uh yourself . Uh then uh a little bit of acquaintance , acquaintance to uh to to ourselves . So uh we get to know each other . Uh that will be done uh with a tool training from the he these two uh smart boards . Then the project plan . What we're going to do , and how we're going to do it . Uh and discussion about that and a little closing at the end . {vocalsound} Okay uh , my name is uh Danny Wolfs . I'm the Project Manager . What's your name ?", "User Interface : I'm Juergen Toffs . I'm the User Interface Designer .", "Project Manager : User interface , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Hi , my name's uh {gap} . I'm the Industrial Designer .", "Project Manager : Industrial , yes .", "Marketing : I'm uh Tim {gap} . Um my function is the Marketing Expert .", "Project Manager : Okay , thank you . First a little about the project aim . Uh the the the aim is to make a new remote control . Uh maybe you have read uh read the website . It's a very uh , yeah , very uh ambitious uh company . They uh they wanna do something else . I w Uh there must be a new remote control . Uh first of all uh it must be original , uh and trendy . That's two things really uh close to each other . But at the same time uh user-friendly . And they have uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that's uh very important uh for them . Uh there are three stages . There is a functional design . So uh what are we going uh to uh to do ? What are we going to uh uh make f uh kind of functions in the remote ? And why are we going to do it ? Then the conceptual design . How are going to do it ? {vocalsound} And that's uh really global . Uh because at the detailed design , how , part two , uh we go uh to dig in uh really about how the the te the technical of {disfmarker} If it's uh it's possible technical-wise .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh each stage is uh {vocalsound} uh is broken up in two uh two stages , individual work and a meeting . So it's uh it's very straightforward . {vocalsound} Okay , the tool training . We have two smart boards . {vocalsound} This one is for the presentations , the PowerPoint presentations or the Word presentation of whatever you uh you had . Uh and this is uh only for uh drawing . So uh we uh must let it uh stand on this uh this programme . {vocalsound} This is called a smart board", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Speaks for itself .", "Project Manager : thing uh {disfmarker} Yeah , it speaks for itself . Um and as you uh may have heard , the documents in the shared folder uh can be uh showed on this screen . Not in y the the My Documents . So if you wanna show something , put it in the shared folder . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} This uh is {gap} very straightforward , with the save , the print , the undo , the blank , the select , the pen . Well , I don't uh gonna explain it all ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : because I think you know uh how it works . Um we must not forget uh everything we draw on here , uh all must be saved . We we may not delete anything . So uh if you have uh drawn something , save it . Never delete it . That's a very important uh thing .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh little uh little {vocalsound} kinda exercise to uh know each other .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} At uh the white board on the left . Every uh every one of us uh must draw our favourite animal ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} and uh tell uh tell us why we uh had uh chosen that animal . Uh important is that we use different colours , {vocalsound} and uh different pen widths . Widths . Widths .", "Marketing : I have a question .", "Project Manager : Yes ?", "Marketing : Um this exercise , um did the company board tell you to do it ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : or uh did you just make it up yourself ?", "Project Manager : No no no . It's uh it's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I I I must do it .", "Marketing : It's part of the introduction ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah , yeah . 'Cause we uh really don't know each other ,", "Marketing : okay .", "Project Manager : and uh it's kinda new . So getting used to each other , we can uh have a little fun then , before we uh dig in really to the hard stuff .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That kind of thing . Would you start with drawing your uh favourite animal ?", "Marketing : Um , yeah . I don't know really how it works . But maybe you can show us first ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , okay . Yeah , okay . Drawing goes with uh this thing . Do not touch your hand on uh this little uh thingy here . That's uh important .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So hold it uh like this .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : You g you get electrocuted or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , kinda . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} You must p p uh push a little uh {disfmarker} Good . Because {disfmarker} And uh wait uh wait a few seconds . It's not uh fully real-time , so uh watch it .", "User Interface : Ach . {gap}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah . Well I'm gonna paint in the red .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : Ooph .", "Project Manager : That's the background colour . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , undo . Um {disfmarker} The pen ? No . One minute please . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's the one . Well , five . Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} My favourite animal huh ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's like Pictionary ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , you can guess what it is .", "Marketing : The the one who says it first {vocalsound} gets a raise .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} May uh paint uh next .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's a pork ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No , it's not an orc . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You don't see it uh at the ears ?", "Marketing : Mm yeah , I have it at home . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You have an orc at home ?", "User Interface : Very artistic .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Thank you .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So it's a cat . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What's it called ?", "Project Manager : Simba . 'Cause uh we have a cat at home", "Marketing : Ah .", "Project Manager : and he's called Simba . 'Cause he looks like the uh the the lion from The Lion King .", "User Interface : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Miniature size ?", "Project Manager : So we uh found it kinda cool to uh name it after a lion .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : He's happy with us , so uh he's smiling .", "User Interface : Wow . He does have body uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Huh .", "Project Manager : No , only the face . Because we have we have twen twenty five minutes . So we uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay . We have to speed up .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Remember you use uh different colours , and different pen widths .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay , who wants to go next ?", "Marketing : I {disfmarker} Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So choose a colour , choose a pen width and draw a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You don't have to change the colour and the pen width during uh the drawing .", "Marketing : Save it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : You have to save it .", "Project Manager : Save it , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I've done it . New ? 'Kay .", "User Interface : You have to draw uh push hard on the pen or uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm uh {disfmarker} Not really .", "Project Manager : Kind of firm touch .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That one .", "User Interface : Oh . Uh hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah ? Okay . Open . Which one is it ? Smart board ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . And now ? Okay . Okay , thanks . 'Kay , I've speed up . 'Kay , that's fine . Line width .", "Industrial Designer : By the way , why was your cat uh red ?", "Project Manager : Because uh my cat is red uh at home .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And I have red hair , so uh must be red .", "User Interface : It's a very bloody cat .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh , yeah , sure .", "User Interface : It's a frog . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No , it's a turtle . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Uh it's an apple . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's not an apple .", "Industrial Designer : Must be a dog . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : A dog ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Hmm . Colour . {vocalsound} Something like this . Smaller .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Huh ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh , it is a turtle .", "Project Manager : It is a turtle . Why a turtle ? Why ? Tim ?", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker} 'Cause I liked Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} You watched it a lot ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh ?", "Project Manager : You watched it a lot ?", "User Interface : It's uh inside its shell . You'll be uh finished sooner .", "Marketing : No , it's uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's a scared turtle .", "Marketing : No no . {vocalsound} It's coming up . Mm . Uh .", "User Interface : Wow .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , Tim . Thank you . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Something like this . {vocalsound} Okay , you know {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Very artistic .", "Project Manager : Jurgen , you want to go next ?", "User Interface : Yes {gap} . Okay . Wha Thank you .", "Marketing : Yeah ? Here you go .", "User Interface : Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : How did it work ?", "Project Manager : Format ? And then you have the the current colour ,", "User Interface : Performance ?", "Project Manager : you can change . So no red or green .", "User Interface : And a pen ?", "Project Manager : And uh line uh width . I had five .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Tim had {disfmarker} Uh Tim , what kinda line width did you have ?", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh the big lines were like nine .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . It's a dog .", "User Interface : Well , very good . {vocalsound} I just uh thought I'd pick the easiest one .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh .", "Project Manager : Okay . Why a dog ? You have a dog at home ?", "User Interface : Well , we had a dog , a few years ago .", "Project Manager : Had a dog ?", "Marketing : Uh , it's p", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "User Interface : And and it , {gap} yeah , when it died we didn't get a new one or something .", "Project Manager : Ah .", "User Interface : But uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It's pretty good uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You have an artistic uh inner middle .", "Marketing : {gap} {vocalsound} An artist .", "Project Manager : {gap} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh a Graphical User Designer , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : Hey .", "Marketing : Think you uh picked the wrong uh function . Wrong job .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No . Can work together . Ah colour .", "Project Manager : So I think you can see it's real uh really a easy programme to use . Not difficult at all .", "Marketing : Wha", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well ,", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "User Interface : it's okay {gap} .", "Project Manager : thank you . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} That's enough ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : thanks . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Janus ? The last one ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , sure .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh thanks .", "Marketing : I wonder .", "Project Manager : Yeah . After a cat , a turtle and a dog .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I think he's gonna draw an elephant . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I figure I should do something like that ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but I'm gonna do something much more difficult .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh-oh .", "User Interface : Uh-oh . Oh , he is the artistic {gap} design .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'm gonna design a remote uh {vocalsound} remote control animal . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Remote control animal .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Exactly . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Sorry .", "User Interface : Well with the interface , it might be easier to ha to draw here and display there uh .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : That that might be easier . But at the other hand , uh a pen like that is easy to hold in your hand , and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No .", "Marketing : I think it's easier to draw .", "Project Manager : Better to draw with a with {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . With a pen than with a mouse mouse .", "User Interface : Than on the , with {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , I m I mean like uh like on here , drawing drawing uh . And then displaying on screen , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mouth . Oh , okay . Yeah . W with this paper it's too mu too expensive . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But what is he uh ?", "User Interface : Too expensive , yeah .", "Project Manager : Is it a rabbit ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Do you have a rabbit at home ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : It's a rabbit with uh broken legs ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : A green rabbit .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} No . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Is it a white rabbit f It's the white rabbit from The Matrix .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , exactly . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , then yeah .", "User Interface : There , the g white green rabbit .", "Industrial Designer : So .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} He's a little bit stoned there . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh I figured this is a pretty b good impression of a rabbit .", "Marketing : Yeah . It will do .", "Industrial Designer : Uh uh {disfmarker} Uh well .", "Project Manager : Okay . Finishing touch and then we're going further .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Project Manager ? Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : Where does the pen go ? Just uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Have you been uh counting the time ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , a little . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . Let's go on then .", "Project Manager : Well , I think the dog is the the most uh artistic .", "Industrial Designer : Uh I figured the rabbit was actually the most uh impressive . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Don't choose for youself .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh , sorry . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That's selfish . 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Professor B proposed a simple neural net, and said the biggest thing were adding on the neural net, the second stream and improving the VAD.", "title": "Neural Net and Storage", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 83 ], 93 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "storage , neural net", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said the biggest they had run into for storage was neural net, and that the bigger things were adding on the neural net.", "title": "Neural Net and Storage", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 83 ], 93 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mel", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B didn't know where to put the mel conversion, if after or before the noise removal.", "title": "Mel Conversion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mel", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B, having a second stream, helps, end up with mel spectrum; to, remove the noise, do it after the mel conversion, after the noise removal; question, whether, should take the log or not, sort of think, should, but, don't know.", "title": "Mel Conversion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 27 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : And {disfmarker} and , {vocalsound} um , you know , in some sense we 're all doing fairly similar things . Uh , I mean , one could argue about the LDA and so forth but I {disfmarker} I think , you know , in a lot of ways we 're doing very similar things . But what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}", "PhD E : So how did they fill up this {disfmarker} all these {disfmarker} these bits ? I mean , if we 're u", "Professor B : Um , why are we using half ? Well , so you could {disfmarker} you c", "PhD E : Yeah . Or how are they using more than half , I guess maybe is what I {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , so I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} uh , you guys are closer to it than me , so correct me if I 'm wrong , but I {disfmarker} I think that what 's going on is that in {disfmarker} in both cases , some kind of normalization is done to deal with convola convolutional effects . Uh , they have some cepstral {pause} modification ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : right ? In our case we have a couple things . We have the on - line normalization and then we have the LDA RASTA . And {pause} they seem to comple complement each other enough and be different enough that they both seem to help {disfmarker} help us . But in any event , they 're both doing the same sort of thing . But there 's one difference . The LDA RASTA , uh , throws away high modulation frequencies . And they 're not doing that .", "PhD E : So th So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So that if you throw away high modulation frequencies , then you can downsample .", "Grad C : Get down .", "PhD E : I see . I see .", "Professor B : So {disfmarker}", "PhD E : So what if you didn't {disfmarker} So do you explicitly downsample then ? Do we explicitly downsample ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD E : And what if we didn't do that ? Would we get worse performance ?", "PhD A : Um {pause} Yeah , not better , not worse .", "Professor B : I think it doesn't affect it , does it ?", "PhD E : I see . OK .", "Professor B : Yeah . So I think the thing is , since we 're not evidently throwing away useful information , let 's try to put in some useful information .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : And , uh , so I {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we 've found in a lot of ways for quite a while that having a second stream uh , helps a lot . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's put in , and you know , it may even end up with mel spectrum even though I 'm saying I think we could do much better , just because it 's simple .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um . And you know , in the long run having something everybody will look at and say , \" oh , yeah , I understand \" , is {disfmarker} is very helpful .", "PhD E : So you would {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} You 're thinking to put the , uh , mel spectrum in before any of the noise removal stuff ? or after ?", "Professor B : Well , that 's a question . I mean , we were talking about that . It looks like it 'd be straightforward to {disfmarker} to , uh , remove the noise , um , and , uh ,", "PhD E : Cuz that happens before the mel conversion , right ?", "Professor B : Yeah . So , I mean , to do it after the mel conversion {disfmarker} uh , after the noise removal , after the mel conversion . There 's even a question in my mind anyhow of whether th you should take the log or not . Uh . I sort of think you should , but I don't know .", "PhD A : What about norm normalizing also ?", "Professor B : Right . Uh . Well , but normalizing spectra instead of cepstra ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , probably . Some kind would be good . You know ? I would think .", "PhD D : Well , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} so it actually makes it dependent on the overall energy of the {disfmarker} uh , the frame .", "Professor B : If you do or don't normalize ?", "PhD D : If yo if you don't normalize and {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you don't normalize .", "Professor B : Right . Yes , so I mean , one would think that you would want to normalize . But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} w w My thought is , uh , particularly if you take the log , try it . And then if {disfmarker} if normalization helps , then y you have something to compare against , and say , \" OK , this much effect \" {disfmarker} I mean , you don't want to change six things and then see what happens . You want to change them one at a time .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So adding this other stream in , that 's simple in some way . And then {pause} saying , oh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} particularly because we 've found in the past there 's all these {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these different results you get with slight modifications of how you do normalization . Normalization 's a very tricky , sensitive thing and {pause} you learn a lot . So , I would think you would wanna {pause} have some baseline that says , \" OK , we don't normalize , this is what we get \" , when we do this normalization , when we do that normalization . But {disfmarker} but the other question is {disfmarker} So I think ultimately we 'll wind up doing some normalization . I agree .", "PhD E : So this second stream , will it add latency to the system", "Professor B : No , it 's in parallel .", "PhD E : or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad C : Para", "Professor B : We 're not talking about computation time here .", "PhD E : S", "Professor B : We 're ta I think we 're pretty far out .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : So it 's just in terms of what data it 's depending on . It 's depending on the same data as the other .", "PhD E : Same data .", "Professor B : So it 's in parallel .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "Grad C : So with this , uh , new stream would you train up a VAD on both {disfmarker} both features , somehow ?", "PhD D : No , I guess the VAD has its own set of features .", "Grad C : OK . that 's {disfmarker}", "PhD D : I mean , which could be this {disfmarker} one of these streams , or it can be something derived from {pause} these streams .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad C : OK .", "PhD A : And there is also the idea of using TRAPS , maybe , for the VAD , which , um {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah , that 's also {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Well , Pratibha apparently showed , when , she was at IBM , that it 's a good idea . So .", "Grad C : Would {disfmarker} would that fit on the handset , or {disfmarker} ? Oh !", "PhD A : I have no idea .", "Grad C : OK .", "PhD D : Well , it has t I mean the {disfmarker} th", "PhD A : It would have to fit but {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah , if it has to fit the delays and all this stuff .", "Professor B : Well , there 's the delays and the storage ,", "Grad C : OK .", "Professor B : yeah . But I don't think the storage is so big for that .", "Grad C : Right .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : I think th the biggest we 've run into for storage is the neural net . Right ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah . Um . And so I guess the issue there is , are we {disfmarker} are we using neural - net - based TRAPS , and {disfmarker} and how big are they ? So that 'll {disfmarker} that 'll be , you know , an issue .", "Grad C : Oh , right .", "Professor B : Maybe they can be little ones .", "Grad C : Yeah . Cuz sh Right .", "Professor B : Mini - TRAPS .", "Grad C : Cuz she also does the , uh {disfmarker} the correlation - based , uh , TRAPS , with without the neural net , just looking at the correlation between {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Right . And maybe for VAD they would be OK . Yeah . Yeah .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor B : That 's true .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Or a simple neural net , right ? I mean , the thing is , if you 're doing correlation , you 're just doing a simple {disfmarker} uh , uh {disfmarker} uh , dot product , you know , with some weights which you happened to learn from this {disfmarker} learn from the data .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And so , uh , putting a nonlinearity on it is , {pause} you know , not that big a deal . It certainly doesn't take much space .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm . Right .", "Professor B : So , uh , the question is , how complex a function do you need ? Do you need to have an added layer or something ? In which case , uh , potentially , you know , it could be big . So .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , uh , uh {disfmarker} So what 's next ? Maybe s s remind us .", "PhD E : So the meeting with Hynek that you guys just had was to decide exactly what you were gonna freeze in this system ? Is that {disfmarker} ? Or was there {disfmarker} ? Were you talking about what t new stuff , or {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : What to freeze and then what to do after we froze .", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : Yeah . And like I was saying , I think the {disfmarker} you know , the basic directions are , uh , uh {disfmarker} I mean , there 's lots of little things , such as improve the noise estimator but the bigger things are adding on the neural net and , uh , the second stream . And then , uh , improving the VAD . Uh . So .", "PhD D : So , I 'll , um {disfmarker} I 'll actually {disfmarker} after the meeting I 'll add the second stream to the VAD and maybe I 'll start with the feature net in that case . It 's like , you 're looking at the VAD , right ?", "PhD A : Uh , yeah . I I 've a new feature net ready also .", "PhD D : I 'll {disfmarker} For the VAD ?", "PhD A : No , uh . Well p two network , one VAD and one {pause} feature net .", "PhD D : Oh , you already have it ?", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : OK , so just figure how to take the features from the final {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : OK .", "PhD A : Um . But , yeah , I think there are plenty of issues to work on for the feature net @ @ .", "Grad C : Feature net ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 79, 130 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "universal adoption", "speaker": "Dafydd Evans" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans expressed regarding a new product. If they were going for its universal adoption, it couldn't be done with that product.", "title": "Dafydd Evans' Vision of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ 50 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "universal adoption", "speaker": "Dafydd Evans" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans expressed that, new product couldn't be candidate for universal adoption and wasn't opt to universally adopt in Welsh case.", "title": "Universal Adoption of the Product in the Welsh Model", "relevant_turns": [ 50 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time , paper exercise", "speaker": "Kay Martin" }, "summary": "Kay Martin opted during the discussion to spend less time in checking what learners did on assessment and more time in the doing, and the experiential learning that they needed to do, rather than it being too much of a paper exercise. Martin underlined that by the time all the paperwork got done one hadn't got time to do any of the learning.", "title": "Time in a Teaching Model", "relevant_turns": [ 48 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time , paper exercise", "speaker": "Kay Martin" }, "summary": "Kay Martin opted to spend less time in checking what learners did on assessment and more time in the doing, rather than it being too much of a paper exercise. Martin underlined that by the time all the paperwork got done one hadn't got time to do any of the learning.", "title": "Paperwork and the Effective Learning", "relevant_turns": [ 48 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "guidance", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brasil noticed that it was compulsory for A-level students to do the Welsh bac and that most often people were making the assumption that all learners were getting all the correct advice and guidance from all the institutions. Brasil suggested that we all consider, that all learners were getting the right advice and guidance for their future.", "title": "Right Guidance for the Future", "relevant_turns": [ 13 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "guidance", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brasil noticed that it was compulsory for A-level students to do the Welsh bac, as if it was an option of our choices and that most often people were just making the assumption that all learners were getting all the correct advice and guidance referring to their future from all the institutions. Brasil suggested that the idea of all learners getting the right advice and guidance for their future should have been considered across the whole nation.", "title": "Nick Brazil's View on Right Guidance", "relevant_turns": [ 13 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : We've got some questions now then, from Suzy, on universal adoption.", "Suzy Davies AM : Well, I'm wondering if I need to ask them, really, because I think I'm getting a strong sense that you all think that universal adoption is a bad idea at this moment in time. However, I do want to test something, because we have had witnesses who say that it would be a good idea because it reduces the amount of competition and advantage that certain institutions have. So, for example, we had an indication from the union representing Welsh-speaking teachers that if the baccalaureate was universally adopted, it would remove an artificial choice, basically, for learners,\u00a0i.e. they were losing Welsh-speaking students who didn't want to do the bac to English-speaking institutions. So, I wonder if you could tell me how much the decision in your individual colleges not to offer bac\u00a0is down to the opportunity that it presents you to attract students, particularly from sixth forms, where students may be obliged to do the bac.", "Kay Martin : That is not the case, I would say. When a learner comes to us, we\u2014. I'd like to think that all the staff in all the colleges do what is in the best interests of the learner. In some cases, it's to go back to school, and we absolutely say, 'You need to go back to school.' If somebody comes from a Welsh-medium school, then usually I will speak to the head and make sure that we have\u00a0a programme in place, that either they're studying their programme bilingually or through the medium of Welsh, or that we make sure that they absolutely keep their Welsh language skills. We don't say, 'Come to us and you don't have to do the Welsh bac,' because if they do A-levels, we say it's compulsory, unless you're in the Seren group.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes. Well, that's the point; it's about English-speaking students, not just Welsh\u2014.", "Kay Martin : No, it isn't used. In the majority of colleges across Wales, it is absolutely not used as a recruitment tool, because most of us, as you see, we value the Welsh bac. We'd like some changes to the Welsh bac, but we value the Welsh bac\u00a0in many cases. So, we wouldn't deliberately\u2014. I mean, if a course in my college doesn't want to do the Welsh bac, they have to come and give me evidence about why they don't think it's fit and what they're going to do in place of it. So, we don't deliberately tell people, 'Come\u00a0on in and you won't have to do it.'", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay, can I run that across you all, in an outburst of honesty?", "Dafydd Evans : Yes, absolutely. We universally adopt at level 3, but we don't at levels 1 and 2.", "Suzy Davies AM : Oh, yes, for the reasons you've given in the evidence, actually.", "Dafydd Evans : Yes, but across the whole of level 3, A-level and vocational, the Welsh bac\u00a0is an integral part of the curriculum, and it isn't an option for the student to opt out.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Do you let your Seren\u00a0students opt out like they do in Cardiff and the Vale, or do they have to do it as well?", "Dafydd Evans : We've forced\u2014. No, sorry, 'forced' is not the word. [Laughter.] We have encouraged and persuaded everybody to do it.", "Suzy Davies AM : So, that will be four A-levels plus bac.", "Dafydd Evans : Yes.", "Nick Brazil : I've got to be honest, at present, with our college, we do not ask. It's compulsory for A-level students to do the Welsh bac. It's an option of one of our choices\u2014we have a large choice\u2014and I think it comes back to that fact that we're just making the assumption all learners are getting all the correct advice and guidance from all the institutions. I think it's something we all need to consider across the nation, that all learners are getting the right advice and guidance for their future. I will go back to the point I made earlier\u2014everything's comparable as long as it's the right thing for the learner's future, and I genuinely believe, and I'm sure a lot of colleagues believe, that that choice element is important to a learner, okay. If it is the right choice and if the Welsh bac\u00a0is the right choice, that is correct, and we move that along. Obviously, we debated about where there are elements that need to change. But you've got to be doing the right things for the learner, and we are certainly not selling it, 'Come\u00a0to us; you don't do the Welsh bac.' It is part of what we offer. It is part of what the college's curriculum offers\u2014there is no doubt about that\u2014and then people make a choice according to what they need to do to actually progress to what they need to do in their future.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Can I just ask\u2014? You've all got slightly different policies; they don't have to do it in Swansea, in Cardiff and the Vale, they do unless they're in the Seren network, and in your college, everybody does it, even if they're doing four A-levels. Do you think that's a satisfactory situation, and are you satisfied with the communication and the guidance and the steer that everyone's getting from Welsh Government on this? Because we're meant to have a policy of universal adoption, but that doesn't really seem to be happening on the ground.", "Kay Martin : And I think, if you'd asked us a few years ago, we were all heading for universal adoption, but because the Welsh bac\u00a0has changed into something that isn't 100 per cent what we think it should be, then we've stopped the universal adoption, if you like. So, we are trying to do what's in the best interests of the learner, but I think, as you said, we've mentioned some other programmes, and if we could look at\u2014. We've got industry experts in colleges. We've got industry experts that are brought into colleges as well, some more than others, to bring that to life, if you like. We've got mentorship programmes, we send people out, and we just need to incorporate that better. We need to spend less time in checking what they've done on assessment and more time in the doing, and the experiential learning that they need to do, rather than it being too much of a paper exercise. By the time you've done all the paperwork you haven't got time to do any of the learning.", "Nick Brazil : I think, just to support Kay, we're going to need to go back to the original vision of the Welsh bac, which all of us would buy into 100 per cent. I think that has been lost as the qualification's developed over time, and, ultimately, I think all of us would like to see it go back to that to provide those skills that Ed has brought up and everything. I think we all support that. But is it quite right? I'm not sure at the moment.", "Dafydd Evans : I'll agree. We visited Spain recently, and there they have an entrepreneurship and enterprise unit that is mandatory for everybody, but it appeared to be far more fit for purpose than the Welsh bac\u00a0is currently. Therefore, I think what we're saying is, if we're going universal adoption, it can't be with this product. This product isn't the product to universally adopt.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, that's interesting. Okay. Are there any other questions from Members? No. Okay. Well, can I thank you all for attending and for answering our questions? It's been a very informative and interesting discussion. We will, as usual, send you a transcript to check for accuracy following the meeting, but thank you again for your time this morning. Okay, item 3, then, is papers to note. Paper to note 1 is a letter from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care regarding the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill, paper to note 2 is the letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Education to the Children's Commissioner for Wales on home education, and paper to note 3 is the letter that the Cabinet Secretary for Education has sent to us in reply to our letter about free school meals. Are Members happy to note those? Thank you. Item 4, then: can I propose in accordance with Standing Order 17.42 that the committee resolves to meet in private for the remainder of the meeting? Are Members content? Yes." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 27, "turns": [ 21, 286 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "favourite animal characteristics ; workflow", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that individually they would draw their favourite animal and the characteristics that they liked, then they would have a meeting about it and the process would be repeated three times. Marketing said that his favourite animal was a beagle because bagels were willing to receive a lot of physical affection from their family, they had a lot of personality, they were fit and in good health. User Interface said that his favourite animal was a monkey, because monkeys were cute. Industrial Designer drew a whale because whales don't cause allergies, plus Industrial Designer likes how the whales came in and out and ate whatever was in sight, plus they were harmless, smooth, and interesting. Project Manager chose his own dog because it was friendly.", "title": "Favourite Animals Task", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 36 ], [ 39, 62 ], [ 66, 68 ], [ 71, 77 ], [ 79, 86 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "favourite animal characteristics ; workflow", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; individual work and then a meeting. And repeat that process three times. Draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it. Marketing; favourite animal is; a beagle. Favourite characteristics of it; they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family. And; they have lots of personality and; be fit and in robust good health. User Interface; favourite animal would be a monkey; they're small cute and furry. Industrial Designer; can't draw, allergic to; animal fur; fish was a natural choice. Project Manager; choose; own dog at home; friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you; very kind of affectionate; doesn't take up too much space. And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well; which is quite amusing. Marketing; probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned.", "title": "Favourite Animals Task", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 36 ], [ 39, 62 ], [ 66, 68 ], [ 71, 77 ], [ 79, 86 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "competitor information", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if there was background information to compare with other remotes. Project manager said no, but it would be really helpful. Marketing said that people weren't looking to buy remote controls unless they were fed up with the remote they already had and wanted a better one. User Interface said his parents bought a multi-function remote to replace four or five different remotes and have everything in one. Project Manager asked if the main goal for remote should be that and include satellite, regular TV, VCR, etc. Marketing said yes, maybe they could use the palm pilot technology and thus add something new to the remote control market, like controlling even the lighting in the house. Project Manager said that they could also make notes on what you wanted to see and have other extra features. Project Manager asked if they wanted to add anything about what they didn't like about the remotes they had used and what could be added to this new one. Industrial Designer said remotes were easily lost and hard to find. Project Manager said that it could be that when you whistle or make a high-pitched noise, they make a beeping sound. Marketing said that the first remote control his family had, had a cable between it and the TV and had large buttons similar to those on a blender, but this one could be more simplified. Project Manager proposed that it have a touch screen. Marketing suggested adding something that was technologically reasonable. Project Manager said that it depended on the Industrial Designer. Marketing agreed, because it would also have to be attractive, since now people would look for more elegant things for their houses and with better materials. The Project Manager instructed the Industrial Designer to take care of the actual work design, the User Interface, to check the technical functions, and the Marketing executive to check what requirements the remote has to meet and said that everyone would receive instructions by email.", "title": "New Features for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 149, 231 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "competitor information", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if there was background information to compare with other remotes. Project manager said no, but it would be really helpful. Marketing said that people weren't looking to buy remote controls unless they wanted a better one. User Interface said his parents bought one to perform the functions of four or five different remotes in one. Project Manager asked if they could put together satellite, regular TV, VCR, etc. Marketing said yes, maybe they could use the palm pilot technology and add something new to the remote control market. Project Manager said that they could also make notes on what you wanted to see and have other extra features. Project manager asked what they didn't like about the remote controls they had used and what could be added to this new one. Industrial Designer said the remotes were easily lost. Project Manager said that it could be that when you whistle or make a very high-pitched noise, it would emit a beep, it could also have a touch screen. The Project Manager instructed the Industrial Designer to take care of the actual work design, the User Interface, to check the technical functions, and the Marketing executive to check what requirements the remote has to meet and said that everyone would receive instructions by email.", "title": "New Features for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 149, 231 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "technology reasonable ; importance ; working design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if a touch screen or something else would be included. Marketing said it had to be something technologically reasonable. Marketing asked if the remote would only have TV functions. Industrial Designer said it depended on the cost of production.", "title": "Remote Functions", "relevant_turns": [ 202, [ 214, 248 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "technology reasonable ; importance ; working design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager, something, to include? Maybe like a touch screen or something? Marketing, or whatever would be technologically reasonable. Project Manager, that's up to our industrial designer. Marketing, these days, things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic. Marketing, our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television? Or are, keeping, a design commitment to television features? Industrial Designer, factor would be production cost. Depends on how much you can cram into that price.", "title": "Remote Functions", "relevant_turns": [ 202, [ 214, 248 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager spoke about the financing of the project. According to the brief, the remote control would be sold for twenty-five euros and would be sold internationally. Marketing said that the production cost would be twelve fifty euros. Project Manager asked if the fact that it was sold internationally would influence the design. Marketing asked about different DVD zones or frequencies, characters, keyboard styles, and symbols. Project Manager said it would depend on how complicated the remote was. Industrial Designer said that if there were more complicated characters like European languages, it would need more buttons. Marketing said that even the price could appeal to a certain market in one region, while in another it would be different. Project Manager said that it depended on the wealth of the country. Marketing said it would also be a basic product positioning and asked if it would be a premium product. Project Manager said it would be important to talk about how much a remote control costs. Marketing asked if there was any background information to compare it to, and the Project Manager said that while it would be useful to know, they didn't have that information. Marketing said that remote controls were not something that people would normally consider buying. Marketing said that only TV producers bought remote controls, and people with TVs would only buy one if they were tired of the one they already have. User Interface said his parents bought one to control different things around the house with a single remote. Marketing said maybe they should combine as many uses as possible. Project Manager said it could control his satellite, TV and VCR and everything. Marketing said maybe they could use another piece of successful technology as an example, like palm pilots. Project Manager said that they could add notes on what they wanted to see and have additional functionality. Project Manager asked if there were things they didn't like about remote controls that could be part of this new one. Industrial Designer said remote controls were easily lost. Project Manager said they could include a feature where they would whistle or make a high-pitched noise and the remote would beep, and it could also have a touch screen. Marketing said it might be technologically reasonable. Project Manager said it should look better too. Project Manager asked the Industrial Designer to work on the design, the User Interface to review the technical functions and Marketing to think about the requirements to be met.", "title": "Remote Control Design Proposals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 256 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote control would be sold internationally, so this could influence the design. Marketing mentioned DVD regions, characters, and keyboard styles. Project Manager said it would depend on the complexity of the remote. Marketing said that the price would be accepted differently in each region. Project Manager said that it depended on the wealth of the country and that it would be important to have cost references. Marketing said that remote controls weren't something that people normally buy and that it should be multi-purpose. Project Manager said that they could control various gadgets and add notes. Project Manager also asked if there were things they didn't like about regular remote controls. Industrial Designer said they were easily lost. Project Manager said they could make the remote beep when you whistle, and it could also have a touch screen. Project Manager asked the Industrial Designer to work on the design, User Interface to review the technical functions and Marketing to think about the requirements to be met.", "title": "Remote Control Design Proposals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 256 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "selling price", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote control would sell for twenty-five euros internationally. Marketing said the price might appeal to a certain market in one region, while another might not. Project Manager asked if the country's economy was decisive. Marketing said it also depended on product positioning. Project Manager said that they should consider cost references from other remotes.", "title": "Remote Control Selling Price", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 150 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "selling price", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote control was going to be sold for twenty-five euros, that they would only use fifty percent of this cost for production, and that the goal was to make fifty million euros, so it was going to be sold internationally. Marketing asked if the selling price was wholesale or retail? Project Manager said that it would probably be the sale to the supplier, because maybe it would be up to the retailer to sell it at the price they wanted. Marketing said the price might appeal to a certain market in one region, while it would be different in another. Project Manager asked if he was referring in terms of the wealth of each country. Marketing said it also depended on the basic positioning of the product. Marketing said that maybe it should be more basic, because a twenty-five euro product would be a premium product. Project Manager said that they should take into account cost references of other remote controls.", "title": "Remote Control Selling Price", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 150 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "certain market", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote control was going to be sold for twenty-five euros internationally, so maybe the design would have to be adapted to this. Marketing noted that there were different DVD regions and that it should have different kaypad styles and characters depending on the language. Project Manager said it would depend on the complexity of the remote. Marketing said the price might appeal to a certain market in one region, while it would be different in another. Project Manager asked if he was referring to the economy of the countries. Marketing said it also depended on the basic positioning of the product, and maybe it should be more basic, because a \u20ac25 product would be a premium product, and it might be a big hit in London but not in Greece, for example. Project Manager said those were good marketing thoughts.", "title": "Target Market", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 131 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "certain market", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote control was going to be sold internationally for twenty-five euros, so the design would have to be adapted. Marketing noted that there were different DVD regions and that it should have different characters, depending on the language. Marketing added that the price might appeal to a certain market in one region, while another might not. Project Manager asked if he was referring to the economy. Marketing said it also depended on the basic positioning of the product and that it could be a big hit in London but not in Greece, for example.", "title": "Target Market", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 131 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that remote controls were not something that people would look to buy and would only do so if they got tired of the one they already have or wanted a better one, unless they were people who produced televisions. User Interface said that his parents bought one to replace several and have everything in one. Marketing said that the remote should be multi-purpose and that they could include some features to make it more attractive.", "title": "Target Audiences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 156, 228 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "people", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that remote controls were not something that people would consciously consider in their buying habits and that the people who bought remotes were the people who produced televisions, because in reality the people who bought televisions would only change their remote when they got tired of it, or when they wish they had a better one. User Interface said his parents bought one to replace four or five remotes and have it all in one. Marketing said that then the priority would be to combine several uses. Project Manager said they should be able to control satellite, regular TV, a VCR, plus other extra features. Marketing said they could find ways to simplify regular remotes. Project Manager said they could add a function to find the remote and a touch screen. Marketing said they might include some features and even if they don't make it any better it was more appealing than not having them because even sometimes people got to have weird things in their homes that were getting more and more fancy so it would be worth exploring this.", "title": "Target Audiences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 156, 228 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Um . So we're gonna have like individual work and then a meeting about it . And repeat that process three times . Um and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there . Um . {vocalsound} So uh you get to draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it . So who would like to go first ?", "Marketing : I will go . That's fine .", "Project Manager : Very good . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Alright . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} This one here , right ?", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Okay . Very nice . Alright . My favourite animal is like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} A beagle .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um charac favourite characteristics of it ? Is that right ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Uh , right , well basically um high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family . And , yeah that they have lots of personality and uh be fit and in robust good health .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So this is blue . Blue beagle . My family's beagle .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Lovely . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {gap} Well , my favourite animal would be a monkey .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Then they're small cute and furry , and uh when planet of the apes becomes real , {vocalsound} I'm gonna be up there with them .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Cool .", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : There's too much gear . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You can take as long over this as you like , because we haven't got an awful lot to discuss .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Ok oh we do we do", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Don't feel like you're in a rush , anyway .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : I coulda told you a whole lot more about beagles .", "Project Manager : Ach {gap} why not {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Boy , let me tell you . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : We might have to get you up again then .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I don't know what mine is . I'm gonna have to think on the spot now .", "Marketing : Impressionist .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Can't draw . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "Project Manager : Is that a whale ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Um , well anyway , I don't know , it's just the first animal I can think off the top of my head . Um . Yes . Big reason is 'cause I'm allergic to most animals . Allergic to animal fur ,", "Project Manager : Ah .", "Industrial Designer : so um fish was a natural choice . Um , yeah , and I kind of like whales . They come in and go {vocalsound} eat everything in sight . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And they're quite harmless and mild and interesting .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Alright . Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay . God , I still don't know what I'm gonna write about . Um .", "Marketing : Superb sketch , by the way .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Tail's a bit big , I think . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I was gonna choose a dog as well .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But I'll just draw a different kind of dog .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : M my favourite animal is my own dog at home . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} That doesn't really look like him , actually . He looks more like a pig , actually . Ah well .", "Marketing : I see a dog in there .", "Project Manager : Do you ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh that's very good of you .", "Marketing : Yep . {vocalsound} Now I see a rooster .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh .", "Marketing : What kind is it ?", "Project Manager : Um he's a mixture of uh various things . Um and what do I like about him , um {disfmarker} That's just to suggest that his tail wags .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um he's very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you , and very kind of affectionate and um {vocalsound} uh and he's quite quite wee as well so you know he can {disfmarker} doesn't take up too much space .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um and uh {disfmarker} And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : which is quite amusing , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Is he aware that th it's his own cha tail he's chasing ?", "Project Manager : It is . I think it is . He only does it after he's had his dinner", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and um he'll just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail 'round the living room .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's an after dinner dog then .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah , so uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned .", "Project Manager : Yeah , maybe . Maybe . {vocalsound} Right , um where did you find this ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Just down here ? Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound} Um what are we doing next ? Uh um . Okay , uh we now need to discuss the project finance . Um so according to the brief um we're gonna be selling this remote control for twenty five Euro , um and we're aiming to make fifty million Euro . Um so we're gonna be selling this on an international scale . And uh we don't want it to cost any more than uh twelve fifty Euros , so fifty percent of the selling price .", "Marketing : 'Kay . Um , can we just go over that again ?", "Project Manager : Sure .", "Marketing : Uh , so bas at twel Alright , yeah . Okay . So cost {disfmarker} like production cost is twelve fifty ,", "Project Manager : All together .", "Marketing : but selling price is {disfmarker} is that wholesale or retail ? Like on the shelf .", "Project Manager : Um I dunno . I imagine {disfmarker} That's a good question .", "Marketing : Our sale our sale anyway .", "Project Manager : I imagine it probably is our sale actually", "Marketing : Yeah , okay okay .", "Project Manager : because it's probably up to the the um the retailer to uh sell it for whatever price they want . Um .", "Marketing : Okay . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : But I {disfmarker} I don't know ,", "Marketing : Alright .", "Project Manager : I mean do you think the fact that it's going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all ?", "Marketing : Yes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Think it will ? Um .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Hmm .", "Marketing : Well right away I'm wondering if there's um th th uh , like with D_V_D_ players , if there are zones .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah , regions and stuff , yeah .", "Marketing : Um f frequencies or something", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "Marketing : um as well as uh characters , um different uh keypad styles and s symbols .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Well for a remote control , do you think that will be {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um .", "Project Manager : I suppose it's depends on how complicated our remote control is .", "Marketing : I don't know . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It does make sense from maybe the design point of view 'cause you have more complicated characters like European languages , then you need more buttons .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So , possibly .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price . I'm thinking the price might might appeal to a certain market in one region , whereas in another it'll be different , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What , just like in terms of like the wealth of the country ?", "Marketing : Just a chara just a characteristic of the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Like how much money people have to spend on things like ?", "Marketing : Just {disfmarker} Or just like , basic product podi positioning , the twenty five Euro remote control might be a big hit in London , might not be such a big hit in Greece , who knows ,", "Project Manager : Aye , I see what you mean , yeah .", "Marketing : something like that , yeah .", "Project Manager : Marketing . Good marketing thoughts .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yep .", "Project Manager : Oh gosh , I should be writing all this down . Um .", "Marketing : Right away I'm making some kind of assumptions about what what information we're given here ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : thinking , 'kay trendy probably means something other than just basic ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : something other than just standard . Um so I'm wondering right away , is selling twenty five Euros , is that sort of the {disfmarker} thi is this gonna to be like the premium product kinda thing or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah . Like how much does , you know , a remote control cost .", "Marketing : Uh-huh .", "Project Manager : Well twenty five Euro , I mean that's um that's about like eighteen pounds or something , isn't it ? Or no , is it as much as that ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Sixteen seventeen eighteen pounds .", "Marketing : Yep . Yeah , I'd say so , yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , I dunno , I've never bought a remote control , so I don't know how how good a remote control that would get you . Um .", "Marketing : No . Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But yeah , I suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um right , okay . Let me just scoot on ahead here . Okay . Um well d Does anybody have anything to add to uh to the finance issue at all ? Thin", "Marketing : Do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other", "Project Manager : No , actually . That would be useful , though ,", "Marketing : other {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : wouldn't it , if you knew like what your money would get you now .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Yeah , interesting thing about discussing um production of a remote control for me is that l as you point out , I just don't think of remote controls as somethin something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : It's just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something .", "Project Manager : Oh . Five minutes to end of meeting .", "Marketing : It just comes along .", "Project Manager : Oh , okay . We're a bit behind .", "Marketing : Do you know what I mean ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Like so sort of like how do you I I mean one one way of looking at it would be , well the people producing television sets , maybe they have to buy remote controls . Or another way is maybe people who have T_V_ sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something .", "User Interface : I know um {disfmarker} My parents went out and bought um remote controls because um they got fed up of having four or five different remote controls for each things the house .", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} Right . Right .", "User Interface : So um for them it was just how many devices control .", "Marketing : Okay so {disfmarker} Right , so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Right , so do you think that should be like a main design aim of our remote control d you know ,", "Marketing : I think so .", "Project Manager : do your your satellite and your regular telly and your V_C_R_ and everything ?", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Well like um , maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots . They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras , M_P_ three players , telephones ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : everything , agenda . So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : such as the lighting in your house , or um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch . Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Oh that's a good idea . So extra functionalities .", "Marketing : An Yeah . Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player . So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know , the sound and everything it's just one system .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Marketing : But each one's got its own little part .", "Project Manager : Um okay , uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes . Um I'll just check we've nothing else . Okay . Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used , what they would really like to be part of this new one at all ?", "Industrial Designer : And you keep losing them .", "Project Manager : You keep losing them .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Finding them is really a pain , you know .", "Marketing : Mm . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I mean it's usually quite small , or when you want it right , it slipped behind the couch", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : or it's kicked under the table .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : W You get those ones where you can , if you like , whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You know .", "Marketing : That's just really good id Yep .", "Project Manager : There {disfmarker} I mean is that something we'd want to include , do you think ?", "Marketing : Uh , {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Dunno .", "Marketing : sure . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay maybe . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable . Actually had a cable between it and the T_V_", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and big like buttons that sort of like , like on a blender or something .", "Project Manager : My goodness .", "Marketing : And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table .", "Project Manager : Still feels quite primitive .", "Marketing : Maybe we could think about how , could be more , you know , streamlined . S", "Project Manager : Maybe like a touch screen or something ?", "Marketing : Something like that , yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Or whatever would be technologically reasonable .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh , okay . Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer .", "Marketing : 'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better , but that just the appeal of of not having {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It looks better .", "Marketing : You know , these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic , you know .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , nicer materials", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : and might be", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : be worth exploring anyway .", "User Interface : Uh .", "Project Manager : Right , well um so just to wrap up the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes . So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch . Um so inbetween now and then , um as the industrial designer , you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : so y you know what you're doing there . Um for user interface , technical functions , I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about , what it'll actually do . Um and uh marketing executive , you'll be just thinking about what it actually {disfmarker} what , you know , what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you , I guess .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , so it's th the functional design stage is next , I guess . {vocalsound} And uh and that's the end of the meeting . So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Before we wrap up , just to make sure we're all on the same page here ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : um , do we {disfmarker} We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something ,", "Project Manager : Uh-huh , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : right ? Well , um are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television ? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features ?", "Project Manager : Th Okay , well just very quickly", "Marketing : I I don't know .", "Project Manager : 'cause this {disfmarker} we're supposed to finish now . Um I guess that's up to us ,", "Marketing : Yep . Yeah , sure .", "Project Manager : I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it , so um , you know {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I think one factor would be production cost .", "Marketing : Okay , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Because there's a cap there ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so um depends on how much you can cram into that price . Um .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I think that that's the main factor .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Right , okay , we'll that's that's the end of the meeting , then . Um", "Marketing : Alright . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So , uh", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : thank you all for coming . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Cool .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 42, "turns": [ 92, 147 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "control size", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface carried out a research to gather suggestions on the physical attributes of the remote control by looking at existing remote controls. The research showed that most existing remote controls were ugly and the buttons inconsistent.", "title": "Research for Physical Attributes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "control size", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface found from research that the current controls were just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them. Those big controls were not very attractive in appearance and they're not very comfortable to hold, even easy to get lost, hard to find in dark places because of the dark colors. The branding of the buttons was also found to be inconsistent.", "title": "Research for Physical Attributes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice activation , extra features", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested hiding those extra features which were beyond the basic ones and creating an alternative button if voice activation would be included in the remote control.", "title": "Handling of Extra Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "voice activation , extra features", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested that extra features should be hidden such that they require some effort to access. For voice activation, if included, an alternative button should be added to make up for backup. In such cases, the control would be smaller, not like big bricks anymore, which may be attractive.", "title": "Handling of Extra Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 36 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Um thank you for that . Uh Craig do you wanna", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : uh plug yours in then ?", "User Interface : Is it working ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Mm . Not quite .", "Marketing : Did you press F_ eight ?", "Industrial Designer : It's probably not sending . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Oh something coming now , yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yep , there it is .", "Project Manager : There we go .", "User Interface : And so think of this concept . Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again . It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls . Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there , um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um {disfmarker} So then this {disfmarker} we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons , um the shape of the control , and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them . Um they're not very attractive to look at , {vocalsound} and they're not very comfortable to hold , they're {disfmarker} I just hold 'em like big bricks , and they're very easily lost . Um they tend to be very dark colours , so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Um {vocalsound} the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme . Um for instance , the stand-by button isn't always red , uh it really should be . It's uh something the user then uh identify with . This is a red switch off , that's how it should be . Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that , but something to look out for . Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control {vocalsound} um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The buttons should be large . They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones . They should be easy to press , very comfortable . {vocalsound} Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um {vocalsound} there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V_ on them ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button , that's kinda confusing . Um should avoid s things like that . Um {vocalsound} if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there , but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea .", "Marketing : Yeah . Okay , do we have a corporate colour scheme ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think it's yellow", "Marketing : I didn't know .", "Project Manager : because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And the Play-Doh 's yellow {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : so yellow , lemon , you know definitely food for thought there ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Fantastic . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but keep going", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : and we'll discuss it after .", "User Interface : Um", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden , they shouldn't be on the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um if we did decide to go for voice activation {vocalsound} there sh should always be a button as alternative , possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice , maybe they got a cold or {disfmarker} Um {vocalsound} we should definitely avoid the big square block look . That's just wrong .", "Project Manager : Mm 'kay .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department , {vocalsound} and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take", "Project Manager : Aye that's a good idea , yeah .", "User Interface : and {gap} possibility . Right and these are problems I've had with it . Um I don't know where the slogan should go , or really what the slogan is . I think it's um , fashion into electronics .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is . I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours , but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Cool .", "User Interface : That's it .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Great . {vocalsound} Lots of good information there .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah that that was very good ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm 'kay um ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 54, "turns": [ 499, 714 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spectrum", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F said to look at the high-resolution spectrum, not pitch. They did not necessarily want to find the pitch of the sound. PhD F had a feeling that when they looked at just the envelope there was no way one could tell if it was voiced or unvoiced Voiced sounds were more low frequency and there would be more hence it was easy in clean speech.", "title": "Frequencies and High-resolution Spectrum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 67 ], [ 89, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "spectrum", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F; Larry Saul could be an idea. We were are thinking about just kind of taking the spectrum and computing the variance of the high-resolution spectrum and things like this.", "title": "Frequencies and High-resolution Spectrum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 67 ], [ 89, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "vad", "speaker": "PhD F , Professor A" }, "summary": "Professor A talked in the mail about the VADs performing differently. PhD F did not know which VAD they used, thought using the small VAD was easy to do because it didn't work at all, they should ask which Pratibha used. PhD F Said PhD D was talking about the other mail that used VAD on the reference features. Professor A said the French one was better. PhD F said they could easily improve by putting the mean normalization before the VAD.", "title": "Mail About VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 30 ], 45 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "vad", "speaker": "PhD F , Professor A" }, "summary": "Professor A talked of an experiment, a set of features, and one incorporated the VAD, it looked like the French VAD was better. PhD F said they were unsure about the VAD to use.", "title": "Mail About VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 30 ], 45 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spectral subtraction", "speaker": "Professor A , PhD B , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD B talked of working on something else and they were waiting for them to give the spectral subtraction. Professor A talked of it being like RASTA was taking care of convolutional stuff, talked of bringing more information other than just spectral subtraction. PhD F said the spectral subtraction was good and they could use the fine structure for a better estimate of the noise.", "title": "Spectral Subtraction and On-line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 9 ], 102, [ 149, 157 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spectral subtraction", "speaker": "Professor A , PhD B , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD B said it was hard to know whether the effects would carry over to the spectral subtraction module. PhD F said spectral subtraction and online normalization did not go together well. Professor A talked about doing online normalization and more spectral subtraction.", "title": "Spectral Subtraction and On-line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 9 ], 102, [ 149, 157 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "kind", "speaker": "PhD F , Professor A" }, "summary": "PhD F said they would try MSG and thought they wanted to work on the second stream also, but with some kind of multi-band, what they called TRAP or generalized TRAP. When they looked at all the proposals, everybody was still using some kind of spectral envelope. Professor A agreed.", "title": "Generalized TRAP and Working on the Stream", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 19 ], [ 53, 58 ], [ 145, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "kind", "speaker": "PhD F , Professor A" }, "summary": "Professor A; if they really are from independent information sources then they should have different kinds of errors; roughly independent errors, and it's a good choice; PhD F; spectral subtraction is good and we could use the fine structure to have a better estimate of the noise but still there is this issue with spectral subtraction that it seems to increase the variance.", "title": "Information Sources and Errors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 19 ], [ 53, 58 ], [ 145, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise", "speaker": "PhD F , Professor A" }, "summary": "PhD F talked of not necessarily wanting to find the pitch of the sound and having a low-frequency noise that could be taken for voiced speech Professor A said they had a guy some years ago who did some work about making use of voicing information to help in reducing the noise, by basically estimating the pitch and talked of estimating the fine harmonic structure which was more or less the same, if there was a strong harmonic structure one could throw away stuff that was non-harmonic, another way of getting rid of the noise.", "title": "Professor A's Thoughts on Getting Rid of the Noise", "relevant_turns": [ 67, [ 92, 98 ], [ 151, 162 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise", "speaker": "PhD F , Professor A" }, "summary": "PhD F; spectral subtraction is good, use the fine structure to have a better estimate of the noise; musical noise, annoying. Professor A; some interesting properties in noise; when have people have done sort of the obvious thing of taking your feature vector and adding in some variables which are pitch related.", "title": "Noise Properties According to PhD F and Professor A", "relevant_turns": [ 67, [ 92, 98 ], [ 151, 162 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pitch", "speaker": "Professor A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F talked of looking at the kind of spectral envelope everybody was still using. Professor A spoke of not using pitch. PhD F talked about looking at the high-resolution spectrum and not the pitch and Professor A agreed with PhD F.", "title": "PhD F's Thoughts on the Pitch", "relevant_turns": [ [ 59, 63 ], [ 93, 95 ], [ 159, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "pitch", "speaker": "Professor A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F said they did not necessarily want to find the pitch of the sound, talked of when they looked at the envelope it was hard to tell if it was voiced or unvoiced. Also, PhD F talked of voiced sound being more low frequency because of the ease in clean speech. Professor A said PhD F basically estimated the pitch and talked of interesting properties in noise. Added that, the addition of variables that were pitch related and added it had not particularly helped.", "title": "PhD F's Thoughts on the Variables", "relevant_turns": [ [ 59, 63 ], [ 93, 95 ], [ 159, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "way", "speaker": "Professor A" }, "summary": "Professor A talked of obtaining some decent results and spoke of it being another way and doing some voiced-unvoiced classification using a bunch of those which worked but were not perfect. Professor A said given the constraints of the task they could not in a very nice way.", "title": "Classification of Voiced and Unvoiced", "relevant_turns": [ [ 96, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "way", "speaker": "Professor A" }, "summary": "Professor A talked of whichever way one estimated the harmonic structure it was more or less the same. Also talked of getting rid of things that were non-harmonic if there was a strong harmonic structure. Professor A said that this was another way of getting rid of part of the noise. Also talked of the probabilistic information one might get about if it was voice or unvoiced where it could not affect the distribution of anything.", "title": "Harmonic Structures and Non-harmonic Things", "relevant_turns": [ [ 96, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "structure", "speaker": "Professor A" }, "summary": "PhD F talked of it as interesting to have something more related to the fine structure spectrum. Professor A spoke about estimating fine harmonic structure and getting rid of non-harmonic things if there was a strong harmonic structure. Professor A also talked of using information primarily which was different and was more fine-structure-based than envelope-based.", "title": "Comparison of Fine-Structure-Based and Envelop-Based", "relevant_turns": [ [ 89, 96 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "structure", "speaker": "Professor A" }, "summary": "Professor A said it would be useful if one viewed the second stream one did the KLT and forth if one viewed it as probabilities and independent. Added it was not so much envelope-based by fine-structure-based, by looking at harmonicity or something similar. Professor A explained if one got a probability from the information and multiplied it by all voiced and unvoice outputs. PhD F said spectral subtraction was good and they could use the fine structure for a better estimate of noise.", "title": "Comparison of Fine-Structure-Based and Envelop-Based", "relevant_turns": [ [ 89, 96 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor A : but I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm just wondering if um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on the list of things that there are to do , if there are things that we won't do because {vocalsound} we 've got two groups doing the same thing .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Um . That 's {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Um . Just {disfmarker} just asking . Uh . I mean , it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah , well ,", "PhD B : There also could be {disfmarker} I mean . I can maybe see a reason f for both working on it too", "PhD F : uh .", "PhD B : if {vocalsound} um you know , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you work on something else and {disfmarker} and you 're waiting for them to give you {vocalsound} spectral subtraction {disfmarker} I mean it 's hard to know whether {vocalsound} the effects that you get from the other experiments you do will {vocalsound} carry over once you then bring in their spectral subtraction module . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's almost like everything 's held up waiting for this {vocalsound} one thing . I don't know if that 's true or not , but I could see how {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : I don't know .", "PhD B : Maybe that 's what you were thinking .", "Professor A : I don't know . {vocalsound} I mean , we still evidently have a latency reduction plan which {disfmarker} which isn't quite what you 'd like it to be . That {disfmarker} that seems like one prominent thing . And then uh weren't issues of {disfmarker} of having a {disfmarker} a second stream or something ? That was {disfmarker} Was it {disfmarker} There was this business that , you know , we {disfmarker} we could use up the full forty - eight hundred bits , and {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah . But I think they ' I think we want to work on this . They also want to work on this , so . Uh . {vocalsound} yeah . We {disfmarker} we will try MSG , but um , yeah . And they are t I think they want to work on the second stream also , but more with {vocalsound} some kind of multi - band or , well , what they call TRAP or generalized TRAP .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Um . So .", "Professor A : OK . Do you remember when the next meeting is supposed to be ? the next uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : It 's uh in June .", "Professor A : In June . OK .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : Yeah . Um . Yeah , the other thing is that you saw that {disfmarker} that mail about uh the VAD {disfmarker} V A Ds performing quite differently ? That that uh So um . This {disfmarker} there was this experiment of uh \" what if we just take the baseline ? \"", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : set uh of features , just mel cepstra , and you inc incorporate the different V A And it looks like the {disfmarker} the French VAD is actually uh better {disfmarker} significantly better .", "PhD B : Improves the baseline ?", "Professor A : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah but I don't know which VAD they use . Uh . If the use the small VAD I th I think it 's on {disfmarker} I think it 's easy to do better because it doesn't work at all . So . I {disfmarker} I don't know which {disfmarker} which one . It 's Pratibha that {disfmarker} that did this experiment .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD F : Um . We should ask which VAD she used .", "PhD D : I don't @ @ . He {disfmarker} Actually , I think that he say with the good VAD of {disfmarker} from OGI and with the Alcatel VAD . And the experiment was sometime better , sometime worse .", "PhD F : Yeah but I {disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker} I think you were talking about the other mail that used VAD on the reference features .", "Professor A : Yes .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : And on that one , uh the French one is {disfmarker} was better .", "PhD D : I don't remember .", "Professor A : It was just better .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : I mean it was enough better that {disfmarker} that it would {vocalsound} uh account for a fair amount of the difference between our performance , actually .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : So . {vocalsound} Uh . So if they have a better one , we should use it . I mean . You know ? it 's {disfmarker} you can't work on everything .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : Uh . {vocalsound} Uh . Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah , so we should find out if it 's really better . I mean if it {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} compared to the small or the big network .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : And perhaps we can easily improve if {disfmarker} if we put like mean normalization before the {disfmarker} before the VAD . Because {disfmarker} {vocalsound} as {disfmarker} as you 've {pause} mentioned .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : H Hynek will be back in town uh the week after next , back {disfmarker} back in the country . So . And start {disfmarker} start organizing uh {vocalsound} more visits and connections and so forth ,", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : and {disfmarker} uh working towards June .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD D : Also is Stephane was thinking that {vocalsound} maybe it was useful to f to think about uh {vocalsound} voiced - unvoiced {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : to work uh here in voiced - unvoiced detection .", "PhD F : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD D : And we are looking {vocalsound} {vocalsound} in the uh signal .", "PhD F : Yeah , my feeling is that um actually {vocalsound} when we look at all the proposals , ev everybody is still using some kind of spectral envelope", "Professor A : Right .", "PhD F : and um it 's {disfmarker}", "Professor A : No use of pitch uh basically . Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah , well , not pitch , but to look at the um fine {disfmarker} at the {disfmarker} at the high re high resolution spectrum .", "Professor A : Yeah . Well , it {disfmarker}", "PhD F : So . We don't necessarily want to find the {disfmarker} the pitch of the {disfmarker} of the sound but uh {disfmarker} Cuz I have a feeling that {vocalsound} when we look {disfmarker} when we look at the {disfmarker} just at the envelope there is no way you can tell if it 's voiced and unvoiced , if there is some {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} it 's easy in clean speech because voiced sound are more low frequency and . So there would be more ,", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : uh {disfmarker} there is the first formant , which is the larger and then voiced sound are more high frequencies cuz it 's frication and {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Right .", "PhD F : But , yeah . When you have noise there is no um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if {disfmarker} if you have a low frequency noise it could be taken for {disfmarker} for voiced speech and .", "Professor A : Yeah , you can make these mistakes ,", "PhD F : So .", "Professor A : but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Isn't there some other", "PhD F : S", "PhD B : uh d", "PhD F : So I think that it {disfmarker} it would be good {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah , well , go {disfmarker} go on .", "PhD B : Uh , I was just gonna say isn't there {disfmarker} {vocalsound} aren't {disfmarker} aren't there lots of ideas for doing voice activity , or speech - nonspeech rather , {comment} um by looking at {vocalsound} um , you know , uh {vocalsound} I guess harmonics or looking across time {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Well , I think he was talking about the voiced - unvoiced , though ,", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : right ? So , not the speech - nonspeech .", "PhD B : Yeah . Well even with e", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD B : uh w ah you know , uh even with the voiced - non {pause} voiced - unvoiced", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD B : um {disfmarker} I thought that you or {pause} somebody was talking about {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Well . Uh yeah . B We should let him finish what he w he was gonna say ,", "PhD F : So .", "PhD B : OK .", "Professor A : and {disfmarker}", "PhD B : So go ahead .", "PhD F : Um yeah , so yeah , I think if we try to develop a second stream well , there would be one stream that is the envelope and the second , it could be interesting to have that 's {disfmarker} something that 's more related to the fine structure of the spectrum . And . Yeah , so I don't know . We were thinking about like using ideas from {disfmarker} from Larry Saul , have a good voice detector , have a good , well , voiced - speech detector , that 's working on {disfmarker} on the FFT and {vocalsound} uh", "Professor A : U", "PhD F : Larry Saul could be an idea . We were are thinking about just {vocalsound} kind of uh taking the spectrum and computing the variance of {disfmarker} of the high resolution spectrum {vocalsound} and things like this .", "Professor A : So u s u OK . So {disfmarker} So many {vocalsound} tell you something about that . Uh we had a guy here some years ago who did some work on {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} making use of voicing information uh to {vocalsound} help in reducing the noise .", "PhD F : Yeah ?", "Professor A : So what he was doing is basically y you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you do estimate the pitch .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : And um you {disfmarker} from that you {disfmarker} you estimate {disfmarker} or you estimate fine harmonic structure , whichev ei either way , it 's more or less the same . But {vocalsound} uh the thing is that um you then {vocalsound} can get rid of things that are not {disfmarker} i if there is strong harmonic structure , {vocalsound} you can throw away stuff that 's {disfmarker} that 's non - harmonic .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : And that {disfmarker} that is another way of getting rid of part of the noise", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : So um that 's something {vocalsound} that is sort of finer ,", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : brings in a little more information than just spectral subtraction . Um .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : And he had some {disfmarker} I mean , he did that sort of in combination with RASTA . It was kind of like RASTA was taking care of convolutional stuff", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : and he was {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : and {disfmarker} and got some {disfmarker} some decent results doing that . So that {disfmarker} that 's another {disfmarker} another way . But yeah , there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah . Mmm .", "Professor A : Right . There 's all these cues . We 've actually back when Chuck was here we did some voiced - unvoiced uh {vocalsound} classification using a bunch of these ,", "PhD F : But {disfmarker}", "Professor A : and {disfmarker} and uh works OK . Obviously it 's not perfect but um {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : But the thing is that you can't {disfmarker} given the constraints of this task , we can't , {vocalsound} in a very nice way , feed {pause} forward to the recognizer the information {disfmarker} the probabilistic information that you might get about whether it 's voiced or unvoiced , where w we can't you know affect the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the uh distributions or anything .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : But we {disfmarker} what we uh {disfmarker} I guess we could Yeah .", "PhD B : Didn't the head dude send around that message ? Yeah , I think you sent us all a copy of the message , where he was saying that {disfmarker} I I 'm not sure , exactly , what the gist of what he was saying , but something having to do with the voice {vocalsound} activity detector and that it will {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that people shouldn't put their own in or something . It was gonna be a {disfmarker}", "Professor A : That {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} OK . So that 's voice activity detector as opposed to voicing detector .", "PhD F : They didn't .", "Professor A : So we 're talking about something a little different .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD B : Oh , I 'm sorry .", "Professor A : Right ?", "PhD B : I {disfmarker} I missed that .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : I guess what you could do , maybe this would be w useful , if {disfmarker} if you have {disfmarker} if you view the second stream , yeah , before you {disfmarker} before you do KLT 's and so forth , if you do view it as probabilities , and if it 's an independent {disfmarker} So , if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's uh not so much {vocalsound} envelope - based by fine - structure - based , uh looking at harmonicity or something like that , um if you get a probability from that information and then multiply it by {disfmarker} you know , multiply by all the voiced {vocalsound} outputs and all the unvoiced outputs , you know , then {vocalsound} use that as the", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : uh {disfmarker} take the log of that or {vocalsound} uh pre pre uh {disfmarker} pre - nonlinearity ,", "PhD F : Yeah . i if {disfmarker}", "Professor A : uh and do the KLT on the {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on that ,", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : then that would {disfmarker} that would I guess be uh a reasonable use of independent information . So maybe that 's what you meant . And then that would be {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah , well , I was not thinking this {disfmarker} yeah , this could be an yeah So you mean have some kind of probability for the v the voicing", "Professor A : R Right . So you have a second neural net .", "PhD F : and then use a tandem system", "Professor A : It could be pretty small . Yeah . If you have a tandem system and then you have some kind of {disfmarker} it can be pretty small {disfmarker} net {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : we used {disfmarker} we d did some of this stuff . Uh I {disfmarker} I did , some years ago ,", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : and the {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and you use {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the thing is to use information primarily that 's different as you say , it 's more fine - structure - based than {disfmarker} than envelope - based", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : uh so then it you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you can pretty much guarantee it 's stuff that you 're not looking at very well with the other one , and uh then you only use for this one distinction .", "PhD F : Alright .", "Professor A : And {disfmarker} and so now you 've got a probability of the cases , and you 've got uh the probability of the finer uh categories on the other side . You multiply them where appropriate and uh {vocalsound} um", "PhD F : I see , yeah . Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : if they really are from independent {pause} information sources then {vocalsound} they should have different kinds of errors", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : and roughly independent errors , and {vocalsound} it 's a good choice for {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Professor A : Uh . Yeah , that 's a good idea .", "PhD F : Yeah . Because , yeah , well , spectral subtraction is good and we could u we could use the fine structure to {disfmarker} to have a better estimate of the noise but {vocalsound} still there is this issue with spectral subtraction that it seems to increase the variance of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : um Well it 's this musical noise which is annoying if you d you do some kind of on - line normalization after .", "Professor A : Right .", "PhD F : So . Um . Yeah . Well . Spectral subtraction and on - line normalization don't seem to {disfmarker} to go together very well . I", "Professor A : Or if you do a spectral subtraction {disfmarker} do some spectral subtraction first and then do some on - line normalization then do some more spectral subtraction {disfmarker} I mean , maybe {disfmarker} maybe you can do it layers or something so it doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't hurt too much or something .", "PhD F : Ah , yeah .", "Professor A : But it {disfmarker} but uh , anyway I think I was sort of arguing against myself there by giving that example", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : uh I mean cuz I was already sort of {vocalsound} suggesting that we should be careful about not spending too much time on exactly what they 're doing In fact if you get {disfmarker} if you go into uh {disfmarker} a uh harmonics - related thing {vocalsound} it 's definitely going to be different than what they 're doing and uh uh", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : should have some interesting properties in noise . Um . {vocalsound} I know that when have people have done {pause} um sort of the obvious thing of taking {vocalsound} uh your feature vector and adding {pause} in some variables which are {vocalsound} pitch related or uh that {disfmarker} it hasn't {disfmarker} my impression it hasn't particularly helped . Uh . Has not .", "PhD F : It {disfmarker} it i has not ,", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : yeah .", "Professor A : But I think uh {pause} that 's {disfmarker} that 's a question for this uh you know extending the feature vector versus having different streams .", "PhD F : Oh . Was it nois noisy condition ? the example that you {disfmarker} you just", "Professor A : And {disfmarker} and it may not have been noisy conditions .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : Yeah . I {disfmarker} I don't remember the example but it was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it was on some DARPA data and some years ago and so it probably wasn't , actually", "PhD F : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah . But we were thinking , we discussed with Barry about this , and {vocalsound} perhaps {vocalsound} thinking {disfmarker} we were thinking about some kind of sheet cheating experiment where we would use TIMIT", "Professor A : Uh - huh .", "PhD F : and see if giving the d uh , this voicing bit would help in {disfmarker} in terms of uh frame classification .", "Professor A : Why don't you {disfmarker} why don't you just do it with Aurora ?", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : Just any i in {disfmarker} in each {disfmarker} in each frame", "PhD F : Yeah , but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} B but we cannot do the cheating , this cheating thing .", "Grad E : We 're {disfmarker}", "Professor A : uh {disfmarker}", "Grad E : We need labels .", "Professor A : Why not ?", "PhD F : Well . Cuz we don't have {disfmarker} Well , for Italian perhaps we have , but we don't have this labeling for Aurora . We just have a labeling with word models", "Professor A : I see .", "PhD F : but not for phonemes .", "PhD D : Not for foreigners .", "Grad E : we don't have frame {disfmarker} frame level transcriptions .", "Professor A : Um .", "PhD D : Right .", "PhD F : Um . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Professor A : But you could {disfmarker} I mean you can {disfmarker} you can align so that {disfmarker} It 's not perfect , but if you {disfmarker} if you know what was said and {disfmarker}", "PhD B : But the problem is that their models are all word level models . So there 's no phone models {pause} that you get alignments for .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Oh .", "PhD B : You {disfmarker} So you could find out where the word boundaries are but that 's about it .", "Professor A : Yeah . I see .", "Grad E : S But we could use uh the {disfmarker} the noisy version that TIMIT , which {vocalsound} you know , is similar to the {disfmarker} the noises found in the TI - digits {vocalsound} um portion of Aurora .", "PhD F : Yeah . noise , yeah . Yeah , that 's right , yep . Mmm .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : Well , I guess {disfmarker} I guess we can {disfmarker} we can say that it will help , but I don't know . If this voicing bit doesn't help , uh , I think we don't have to {disfmarker} to work more about this because {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Uh .", "PhD F : Uh . It 's just to know if it {disfmarker} how much i it will help", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : and to have an idea of how much we can gain .", "Professor A : Right . I mean in experiments that we did a long time ago", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : and different ta it was probably Resource Management or something , um , I think you were getting {pause} something like still eight or nine percent error on the voicing , as I recall . And um , so um", "Grad E : Another person 's voice .", "Professor A : what that said is that , sort of , left to its own devices , like without the {disfmarker} a strong language model and so forth , that you would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you would make significant number of errors {vocalsound} just with your uh probabilistic machinery in deciding", "PhD B : It also {disfmarker}", "Professor A : one oh", "PhD B : Yeah , the {disfmarker} though I think uh there was one problem with that in that , you know , we used canonical mapping so {vocalsound} our truth may not have really been {pause} true to the acoustics .", "Professor A : Uh - huh .", "Grad E : Hmm .", "PhD B : So .", "PhD F : Mmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 35, "turns": [ 119, 297 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "connection , remote control , TV", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested that they should think about Bluetooth, rather than infrared because it's cost-effective. User Interface thought they should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote.", "title": "Suggestions on Connection of Remote Control and TV", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "connection , remote control , TV", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer felt that infrared was not hot technical stuff anymore, so should think about Bluetooth that cost-effectively. User Interface agreed that infrared was a little bit old-fashioned, but most of the TV equipped with infrared, so should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote.", "title": "Different Views on Connection of Remote Control and TV", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : I think it could come in handy . We should discuss that . Um and we should think about the way how these things uh should communicate with each other . We're not uh living in the uh nineteen eighties anymore , so infrared is not uh", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : is not really uh hot uh technical stuff anymore . But you should uh think about the things like uh Bluetooth .", "User Interface : But {disfmarker} Yeah , but the infrared , it's uh , well , a little bit old-fashioned , if you would call it like that .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : But all the T_V_s are uh equipped with infrared , so", "Industrial Designer : But it's cost-effective . Yes . Mm-hmm . Well , not all , not all .", "User Interface : y you you can {disfmarker} Most of them .", "Industrial Designer : So that's the point .", "User Interface : Or you shou sh use a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : you should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe , but that's uh something we should discuss", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and uh about every everybody should think about it . So that's just my role , I'll just uh give you uh everybody some technical input , and I think now the time is to have a little discussion about what uh the product should be and how it should look ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but take these things into account when you start the discussion .", "Project Manager : Okay , um I ha I have one point f um which which comes in mind now . Um uh d I think the device should either be rechargeable very easily", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Okay .", "Project Manager : um or it should not consume too much um power . Because it's very annoying if you need to change the batteries every s uh uh every other week .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So um maybe we could um for example uh only light the buttons that are um uh applicable at that moment or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But um {disfmarker} Necessary , yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah . I dunno , it's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that's more Sebastian's uh um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . But then Bluetooth uh might be problem .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : 'Cause I think Bluetooth uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's use uh a lot of uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well does it ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I know it from the cell phone .", "Industrial Designer : well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I'm not sure . Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , cell phones have uh integrated Bluetooth also and , well , it's {disfmarker} it seems to work uh quite okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So uh technically it will be possible .", "User Interface : But you can't you can't use Bluetooth all the time , twenty four hours a day ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 66, "turns": [ 170, 249 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , target age", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the remote control should market to customers younger than forty. Marketing agreed that forty was good, according to the data, younger people would be more interested in LCD.", "title": "Remote Control Target Age", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control , target age", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the remote should reach a market with customers that were younger than forty, adding that they now had current customers of forty plus. Marketing agreed forties was okay and that younger people sixteen till to twenty-five age, were eighty-one percent interested in LCD screens, from twenty-six to thirty-five had sixty-six percent and thirty-six to forty-five had fifty-five percent.", "title": "Remote Control Target Age", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if they would do an LCD screen if they would have any buttons. Industrial Designer said that the LCD screen just as it was drawn there displayed several buttons for example if one wanted minimal buttons such as channel and volume it just displayed four buttons on the screen and it would be possible to press them down just like a touch screen. User Interface suggested that they made which buttons on the screen adjustable.", "title": "Operation Principle of LCD Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 68 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface; if you would do an LCD screen do we have don't you have any buttons; Industrial Designer; No, an LCD screen's just like uh like a drawn here just displays several buttons.", "title": "Operation Principle of LCD Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 68 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Uh yeah , think so .", "Marketing : Our main targets' age are ? were ? Forty five plus , or ?", "User Interface : Mute misschien also .", "Project Manager : Uh well", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than forty , and now we have current customers uh of forty plus .", "Marketing : Forties , okay because {vocalsound} because younger people as Uh younger people have now , sixteen till to twenty five age , are f eighty one percent interested in L_C_D_ screen . From twenty six to thirty five have sixty six percent , and thirty six to forty five , fifty five percent , so I think to um {disfmarker} Because on most recog remote controls um the print plate will be broken how much , two years . You have to press h very hard to go to the next channel .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : With the L_C_D_ screen it's easier because you only have to wipe the screen to uh {disfmarker} for fingerprint ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we we could yeah . But I think that uh that collides with our mission to make it very cheap .", "Marketing : and then you can use it again .", "Industrial Designer : Because L_C_D_ screens are very expensive .", "Marketing : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : An", "Industrial Designer : A touch screen uh probably uh even more .", "Marketing : Yeah but a {disfmarker} you don't know {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So ,", "Marketing : True .", "Industrial Designer : true , true .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But uh {disfmarker} Well um is it possible to make an L_C_D_ screen uh , how was the information ?", "Marketing : Yeah , it only says that this perce percentage like L_C_D_ screen . Because , yeah and it says that younger age between sixteen and forty five highly interesting features more critical .", "Industrial Designer : So perhaps we should we should focus on that L_C_D_ screen .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And if the only f Yeah , because our target is sixteen to forty five .", "User Interface : But , do you {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but uh will we not uh exceed our uh our uh production uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah you don't know how much it costs . Yeah , you don't know how much it costs , the L_C_D_ screen .", "Industrial Designer : Is it possible to find out , anyway ?", "Marketing : No , I don't have any costs here ,", "Industrial Designer : You know ?", "Marketing : I only have percentages .", "User Interface : But if you would do an L_C_D_ screen do we have don don't you have any buttons ? Or because if it only directs at the T_V_ , then you only have uh I don't know what you want to do with the L_C_D_ screen .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No , an L_C_D_ screen's just like uh like a drawn here . Um just uh displays several buttons ,", "User Interface : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : for example um if you wanted the minimal uh use b uh buttons , such as channel and volume , you just h uh displays four buttons on the screen", "User Interface : Oh right , so you can {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and it's possible to p uh press them down , just like a touch screen .", "User Interface : Oh , yeah alright . So you can adjust which buttons you want on that s screen .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we can make it possible to do that , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , if you want to adjust , like for example , adjust the audio settings , you press audio on the touchscreen", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah .", "Marketing : and you get the buttons for audio settings ,", "User Interface : Yeah alright , oh right .", "Marketing : so the other buttons are gone .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : So we're going for an L_C_D_ screen ?", "User Interface : Yeah . Would be yeah .", "Marketing : I think it's the most easier thing ,", "Industrial Designer : That's my uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And hoping that when we produce a lot it won't be too expensive .", "Marketing : yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well we had twelve fifty , I guess , for uh production ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : No . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Twelve fifty .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um .", "User Interface : Any guesses ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well I suppose wi if the mar if our um {vocalsound} if the i if the young people are interested in L_C_D_ screens , we should make 'em .", "Marketing : Highly .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And if that is our d uh market share to uh and our goal to uh deliver those uh remote controls {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But {disfmarker} But he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people , but also on the older , and will they use it if it only has an L_C_D_ screen ?", "Marketing : Yeah , but {disfmarker} Um , s forty six to forty five , thirty three percent , and sixty fifty six to sixty five twelve percent .", "User Interface : Oh , so still a little bit people {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But our our our what's it , project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets , to customers that are younger than forty .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah that's right . But you don't want to alienate the other uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No , that not now , but , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But if they also buy it then it's alright . I guess .", "Marketing : Yeah , but market share fro for for forty years and younger is higher than that of sixty five and younger .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . Alright ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 151, 180 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "awareness , understanding , human rights , new curriculum", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked about the awareness and understanding of human rights, Kirsty Williams AM said human rights had been key considerations throughout the design of the new curriculum.", "title": "Human Rights in the New Curriculum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "awareness , understanding , human rights , new curriculum", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Awareness and understanding of human rights; being embedded in the new curriculum.", "title": "Human Rights in the New Curriculum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "included , Welsh dimension", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that they had a separate programme of work that was looking at resources that were needed to support the new curriculum, and that whatever they were, the resources that needed to support the Welsh dimension were really broad and not confined to specific areas. Kirsty Williams AM also said during the meeting that the need for a directory of resources mentioned by the Learned Society of Welsh to implement the Welsh dimension, was going to be considered.", "title": "Resources Included for the Welsh Dimension", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "included , Welsh dimension", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said they had a programme of work that was looking at resources that were needed to support the curriculum, which were broad and not confined to specific areas.", "title": "Resources Included for the Welsh Dimension", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "single continuum , learning , Welsh language", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "In terms of the single continuum of learning with regard to the Welsh language, Kirsty Williams AM said that it would have to be contextualised depending on the setting where a child is being taught and that there would be progression points on that continuum that would be seen both in Welsh language and in the English language.", "title": "Single Continuum of Learning Welsh Language", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "single continuum , learning , Welsh language", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "In terms of the single continuum of learning the Welsh language, it would have to be contextualised depending on the medium of tuition with the school, and there would be progression points.", "title": "Single Continuum of Learning Welsh Language", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 9 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. How is awareness and understanding of human rights, including children\u2019s rights, being embedded in the new curriculum?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Children's rights, human rights\u2014they've been key considerations throughout the design, and this is currently set out in overarching guidance and we continue to work with the children's commissioner's office to map the rights of the child across each area of learning and experience. And I'm delighted that the children's commissioner took the time to write to me during the feedback phase to say that they were very pleased that their initial assessment demonstrates that what we're proposing is a big step forward.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. And how do you respond to the concerns expressed in the children's commissioner\u2019s quarterly report of July 2019 that consultation materials for young people were not released until mid June, allowing just over a month for young people to engage? And they said it was disappointing that a plan was not in place at the start of the consultation period.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, we undertook a specific programme of engagement with children and young people, as I said at the beginning. We had over 20 events where focus groups of young children were involved and we had a number of children who took the opportunity to feed back via different mechanisms. The output of that engagement and feedback has been drawn together into a report exploring learners' views about schools and learning. It's a powerful contribution and I think will actually effect change, especially in how the 'what matters' statements are worded.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Turning to the Welsh dimension in the new curriculum, the Learned Society of Wales has said that there needs to be a directory of resources to implement that Welsh dimension. Do you agree with that and will you be publishing such a resource?", "Kirsty Williams AM : We have a separate programme of work that is looking at resources that are needed to support the curriculum. It's one of the conversations I had with Qualifications Wales yesterday to try to avoid the debacle that we've had previously, where we have new qualifications and the resources to support those qualifications aren't available. So, we're already having those conversations with Qualifications Wales and there is a piece of work that is ongoing to look at what are the resources that are necessary to support the curriculum. And this proposal by the Learned Society will be considered as part of that work.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. And, in terms of the single continuum of learning with regard to the Welsh language, how are progression steps and achievement outcomes in Welsh-medium schools going to work and how are they going to work in English-medium schools?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. Just on the Welsh dimension, I think it's really important that whatever resources we have to support the Welsh dimension are really, really, really broad and not confined to specific areas. I was in Swansea University just this week, looking at some of their Technocamp work that they're doing to help us with coding, and we had an amazing conversation about the Welsh contribution to the computing industry. And so my expectation is that that isn't taught in a history lesson\u2014that, actually, when children are learning about coding, they get to hear that Welsh people have been at the forefront of developing this technology. So, that's\u2014. When I talk about a Welsh dimension, I mean right the way across the curriculum, and I think that's important. With regard to\u2014. The continuum for language will have to be contextualised depending on the setting where a child is being taught. We have to recognise\u2014. We have to recognise that, and there will be progression points on that continuum that will be there to show progression both in Welsh language and in the English language, and they have to be contextualised. We recognise that children learning Welsh in a Welsh-medium school, their progressional on that point would be more speedy and quicker, and by the end of primary school they would be in a very different position than a child that was learning Welsh in an English-medium school. Vice versa\u2014we've had this discussion before\u2014if a child is going into Welsh medium, their progression in English perhaps from age three to seven would be very different from a child that was in an English-medium school, although the expectation would be that by 11 they would be in the same position. So, we have to contextualise that learning continuum depending on the medium of tuition with the school, but recognising that it is a progression. It isn't a start and never get any further.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : With regard to the creative thinking element of PISA, I take it that you are adhering to the fact that the Welsh Government is opting out of the creative thinking tests with regard to PISA 2020. I don't entirely understand that because the new curriculum does place great emphasis on creative thinking and independent thinking. So, why not participate in these tests?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Because, for me, the key factor for making that decision, and I intend to stick to it, is in 2021 we will be expecting schools to be right in the middle of their preparation for the introduction of the new curriculum\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay, so it's the timing.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, for me.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, later on, maybe when this is embedded\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think there could well be a different decision at a later date, but at 2021 this is not the right time to do it. Can I just say? In terms of creativity, Wales is seen as an exemplar by the OECD, especially our partnership with the Arts Council of Wales and creative learning through the arts.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : I get that. That's why I don't understand why we're not actually going for it and showing how good we are through the PISA. But, I understand.", "Kirsty Williams AM : There could well be a different decision, but for 2021 we're asking enough of people at the moment and this would be an unnecessary addition to cope with. I just don't think that that should be seen as us running away from it because we're worried about a lack of creativity in our education system. The very opposite is true. We are seen as exemplars by the OECD\u00a0and some of the work that's been going on with creative learning through the schools is now being shared internationally.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, you'll think about it for the next round of PISA.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Oh gosh, that shows that Si\u00e2n thinks that I'll be here to make that decision. [Laughter.] That's very encouraging indeed. [Laughter.]", "Steve Davies : One very quick technical point, Chair. We have not opted out of this. Countries were offered if they wished to take the invite to come into it, and a number of countries across the world are yet to make their decision on this.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Janet, you've got a question on physical activity.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Can you give a guarantee that all children and young people, where appropriate, will take part in physical activity under the new curriculum for Wales? Also, how much time per week will the Government expect children and young people to spend undertaking physical activity?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, all children will be given that opportunity, because if they are not then that school would be in breach of the expectations that will be set out in statute.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : How will you monitor it?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Again, Janet, I don't go around monitoring schools now.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : No, but through the systems and mechanisms in place.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, of course. As we've just said\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : How will you ensure that every child has that opportunity?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, as we've just said, ultimately, we are not getting rid of our school improvement services and regional consortia, nor are we getting rid of Estyn. So, one would expect the quality of the curriculum to be a key consideration of any visit that Estyn would make to a school." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 150, 192 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "general functionalities , new product", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The remote's general functionalities such as switch on/off button, volume control, channel control and menu access button were explained. An interesting function was allocated to the flip screen, making it similar to mobile phones and preventing from accidental buttons' pressing. Battery life-light function was considered as well. The remote would have a telephone-like number pad and access to the television menu located on one side. A voice control button would be placed on the other side of the remote.", "title": "Visible and General Functionalities of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4, [ 8, 10 ], [ 14, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "general functionalities , new product", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said to have taken the ideas of the team about general functionalities of the remote and joined them. Remote would have a switch on/off, volume and channel control and the menu access button. User Interface admitted that it would be kind of interesting to put a flip screen on the remote, just like in mobile phones. A little battery life-light would be a good option too. This function would prevent accidental buttons pressing while watching the television, especially with little kids around. Standard telephonish number pad would be used. Access to the menu would be on one side when on the other side there would be a button to turn off the speech control.", "title": "General Functionalities of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4, [ 8, 10 ], [ 14, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "invisible features , remote control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface mentioned invisible features of the new remote control. It was suggested to consider audio and tactile feedback on button presses and speech control as such functionalities.", "title": "User Interface Mentions Invisible Features of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "invisible features , remote control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that invisible features, such as audio and tactile feedback on button presses and speech recognition were considered.", "title": "Invisible Features of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "flip screens , general functionalities , new product", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface was the main person explaining flip screen in terms of its general functions regarding the remote control. The flip screen together with wood would make to a slightly different design. An important feature of the flip screen was to be light in order to not add too much weight to the remote.", "title": "Flip Screen Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ], 18, [ 21, 25 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "flip screens", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Wooden flip screens would change the remote's design. It was crucial to watch the flips screen weight, though, so that the remote didn't become heavy.", "title": "Light Flip Screen", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ], 18, [ 21, 25 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : I think so , yeah . Yeah , that's the one . So , it's a very short presentation , 'cause I'm actually gonna draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the second slide , um , which basically shows , sort of {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I took the ideas that we were talking about last time um and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch , volume and channel control , the menu access button , ergonomic shape , which I completely agree with Christine's idea to have it sort of molded , so it's slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls . And actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customising idea , is that people can actually do sort of quasi-measurements on their hand size , so if someone has larger hands , you have a wider remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Right , my hand is uh different size than yours for example .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So , that's actually a really good idea for customi customisability . Um , one thing I thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it , just like you have on flip phones ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so that you don't have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it , especially if you have little kids around , they're not pressing the buttons while you're trying to watch a T_V_ show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And also {vocalsound} um you had issues with the batteries running out ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so I thought maybe we could put a little battery life-light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery is {disfmarker} starts to die . And in terms of invisible features , audio and um tactile feedback on button presses and , like you said , speech recognition .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So , in terms of what this thing would actually look like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Despite working in interface design , I'm not the greatest artist in the world , so you'll have to forgive me . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} You'd have something like this with an on-off switch fairly big , sort of in the corner and by itself , so you don't accidentally turn your T_V_ off while you're trying to manoeuvre other buttons . And then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for , oops , channels and volume , sort of for surfing channels and then volume , so the volume would be the up and down , 'cause volume goes up and down and then channels left to right . And then here you'd have your sort of standard , telephonish number pad . {vocalsound} And then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your T_V_", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control . So that if the user doesn't want to use their voice , they can just turn it off and you don't have the remote control accidentally changing things on you .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um , so again you can have a little L_C_D_ light somewhere , the flip {vocalsound} thing and {disfmarker} Have I forgotten anything ? I don't think so . So , as you can see , it's a very very simple design ,", "Marketing : No . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : which is one of the things I really wanted to keep , is keep it simple , not have too many buttons , not have too many functionalities thrown into it . Think the design can pretty much carry over to everything , although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : A hinge . Be like a copper hinge or you know .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . But you also have to d start watching out for the weight , 'cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control , you don't want it to start getting too heavy .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Mm .", "User Interface : But that's the general layout with the general functionalities , if we come up with something else . As you can see , there's still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably , {vocalsound} you can make this thing fairly small or fairly o large , depending on personal preferences .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Hmm .", "User Interface : So , that's pretty much {vocalsound} all I had to say , I mean , everything else in terms of design issues . Um the centering of the key pad and {vocalsound} the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and uh the browsing more than the actual number pad , so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : the number pad a little bit lower 'cause it's used less frequently .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So once we decide exactly what we want , then we can figure out the exact positioning , but more or less I think it should go along those lines .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So what's your , uh , the comments or uh s", "Marketing : Simple design . It's what consumers want .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Marketing : It's almost like , Houston , we have a product here . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Problem is obviously gonna be cost .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 65, "turns": [ 5, 143 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation , preference of users", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The main group discussion was to clarify in a presentation the preference of users about the conceptual design of a remote control.", "title": "User's Preference Of A Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 5, 12, 17, 19 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "presentation , preference of users", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group discussion was to show in a presentation the preference of users about the remote control. At first, it was decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of the costs, but in a deeper investigation it was discovered that people prefered an easy way to use the device and that people prefered a fancy look and a good aspect rather than a device with many functions or many buttons. The trend at that time was pictures of fruits and vegetables and that idea was a suggestion of putting it in the remote control.", "title": "User's Preference of a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 5, 12, 17, 19 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cool fruit , preference of users", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group mates dicussed about the preference of users that was related with cool fruit and vegetables and the different shapes in a remote control.", "title": "Cool Fruit in a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 24, 30, 34, [ 40, 41 ], 64, 68, 72, [ 74, 75 ], [ 77, 78 ], 82, 88, 90, 92, 96, 100, 103 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cool fruit , preference of users", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group mates talked about that in Paris and Milan the trend of clothes and fornitures was the theme of fruit and vegetables. Marketing saw the last exposition of clothes in Milan and saw that there were many pictures of cool fruits and vegetables in the clothes. In order to mixed the fruit and vegetables theme with the remote control, the group mates discussed about the preference of users by creating the remote crontrol with a shape of a fruit or some kind of fruit logo or buttons with fruit shape.", "title": "Cool Fruit in a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 24, 30, 34, [ 40, 41 ], 64, 68, 72, [ 74, 75 ], [ 77, 78 ], 82, 88, 90, 92, 96, 100, 103 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "clothes , pictures , vegetables", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "There was a new trend of clothes with pictures of fuits and vegetables that Marketing thought about combine it with the remot control design.", "title": "Fruits and Vegetables in a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 12, 17, 24, 34, 40, 68, 89, 91, 103, 125, 128, 130, 132, 138 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "clothes , pictures , vegetables", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "In Paris, Milan and USA there was a current trend that talked about fruit and vegetables in clothes and furniture. The Marketing went to a clothes exposition in Milan and in that exposition were many pictures of fruits and vegetables in clothes. Marketing also mentioned taking some vegetables textures and putting it in the remote control. Another idea for the remote control was the general aspect of it that reminded to some vegetable or natural object. The Industrial Designer proposed putting the shape of fruits in the remote control but the Marketing did not agree because of the trending changing every year. Another point of view from Marketing was focusing in young people and its needs because of the openess of the young to new devices and according to marketing report ninety five percent of young people was able to buy a cooler remote control.", "title": "Fruits and Vegetables in a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 12, 17, 24, 34, 40, 68, 89, 91, 103, 125, 128, 130, 132, 138 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fruit , vegetables", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about the conceptual design of the remote control. The group mates introduced an idea about combining current trends with the shape and textures of the remote control. Marketing made an investigation and found that people wanted an easy device but also with more fancy look. 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Project Manager, LCD on a banana, remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons.", "title": "Fruits and Vegetables for Young People", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, 14, 16, 19, 24, 34, 40, 51, 61, 68, [ 71, 73 ], [ 78, 79 ], 85, 89, 94, 103, 108, 113, 115, 123, 135 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . So today is um our third meeting . It will be about the conceptual design {vocalsound} uh . If I come back to uh the minutes of the last meetings um . We decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of L_C_D_ screen on on the remote control because of costs . So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today . Uh at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point . So I hope uh that your respective pr presentations uh will help us . So each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform um who starts ?", "Marketing : Okay , {gap} .", "Project Manager : So marketing .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So you are {disfmarker} you saved your y your presentation somewhere ?", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : So you're four ?", "Marketing : Four , yeah .", "Project Manager : Which is trend watch . {vocalsound} Okay . Mr Marketing Experts .", "Marketing : Yeah that's me .", "Project Manager : So {gap} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh . Well I investigate the preference more d I investigate deeper the preference of the users . Uh so the the current investigation th uh th uh sorry the current the n current trends ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah ? Okay . {vocalsound} {gap} Okay . {vocalsound} Well wha {vocalsound} what I found {disfmarker} um can you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Next slide ? Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Thank you . What I found in order of importance from less to more important is that people want an easy to use device . After they they want something new technologic technologically speaking , but the most {disfmarker} what they what they find more more interesting , more {disfmarker} or more important it's uh a fancy look and feel instead of uh instead of the current the current trend which was f the functional look and feel .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So now more more cool aspect , ma more {disfmarker} a cooler aspect uh rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with {disfmarker} instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things , a device which is pleasant to to watch , to see .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh also {disfmarker} Well {vocalsound} in in Euro in in Paris and and {vocalsound} Milan the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : in Paris and in Paris and Milan the the current trend of {gap} uh of clothes , furniture and all this all this fashion it's {vocalsound} it's fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : And also {vocalsound} in the in the U_S_A_ the the current {disfmarker} the mor the most popular feeling it's it's a spongy . Spongy means eponge ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So maybe we should we should think in in this direction , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : What what do you mean by {vocalsound} fruit and vegetables and spongy ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : What {disfmarker} you mean clothe", "Industrial Designer : Spongy means it it's like sp", "Marketing : Fruit vegetables is the the new {disfmarker} have you seen the last exposition of clothes in Milan ?", "User Interface : No , I missed that one .", "Marketing : Yeah , I I didn't miss an {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I didn't miss and I saw that the fruit , there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes .", "User Interface : Oh , they're {disfmarker} okay so they're not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on , okay .", "Marketing : No no , not not yet , not yet .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : So we're not gonna have a remote control in the shape of of a banana ,", "Marketing : So te textu textures , yeah .", "User Interface : just maybe {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Vegetable textures and all this kind .", "Project Manager : Drawings of bananas .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay and {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Marketing : yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But what's your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote ?", "Project Manager : Well so this is in the next slide certainly .", "Marketing : Uh no no , it's not .", "Project Manager : It's not ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So which fruit are you thinking of ?", "Marketing : And {disfmarker} Um .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} I ha I haven't thought of any particular fruit , but the general aspect of the of the remote control may may {disfmarker} could remind some kind of vegetable , some kind of instead of vegetable , some natur mm uh natural object or something .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : But yeah it it depends on the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So maybe you maybe you can display a banana on the L_C_D_ . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh , so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the {disfmarker} {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Means buttons are in the shape of fruits ,", "Marketing : Yeah maybe the shape the shape {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : buttons are in the frape {disfmarker} shape of fruits or something , apple , banana , something like that .", "Marketing : No , not n not not too much focus , not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next year the ten the trend the trend will be different .", "Project Manager : Apple for channel one . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So we shouldn't be at re really attached to to the trend", "User Interface : So something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : but {disfmarker} For instance , yeah . African or as an elephant ?", "Industrial Designer : That we can discuss afterwards {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : But {disfmarker} okay ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I'm not , I'm not really sure if uh that would really appeal to everyone though , maybe just to fashion gurus , like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner , but I don't know about uh I dunno how ergonomic a , an orange is .", "Marketing : Well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing . I think in my opinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devices", "User Interface : To fruit ?", "Marketing : and also yeah according to the marketing report ninety p ninety five percent of young people was {vocalsound} was was able to to buy a a n a cooler remote control .", "User Interface : But is it uh is fruit cool ?", "Marketing : What ?", "Project Manager : That's a question .", "Marketing : What ?", "User Interface : Is fruit cool ?", "Marketing : Yeah ? Uh {disfmarker} Is the new trend of the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well I guess , you know , Apple has the iPod so , {vocalsound} imagi {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : just 'cause they have an apple on their on their product , doesn't mean fruit is cool . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No I think we we should think about a a shape with it {disfmarker} a device with a shape of some {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay , but it has to be easy to uh to use though and to hold you know , you don't wanna pear or a watermelon . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . Don don't you think we can find uh the shape of a fruit which is handy to use ?", "User Interface : Well , probably the only thing is a banana that I can think of ,", "Industrial Designer : Banana .", "User Interface : a cucumber .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Maybe too long .", "User Interface : I dunno .", "Marketing : Or m", "User Interface : Maybe . Too green .", "Marketing : Maybe . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So , but I mean you also have to {disfmarker} you have to also have , fit r all the buttons and {disfmarker} you know .", "Project Manager : A banana .", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It's , it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : The thing is you have t normally with um with buttons , they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you're gonna have things like {gap} on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't th it will be rolling a lot .", "Marketing : Yeah but I li I like your idea that we shouldn't have a lot of buttons b buttons so", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah and you you you will not have pla enough {disfmarker} a lot of place to put a L_C_D_ on a banana also .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Uh do you want a an L_C_D_ with twenty five Euros ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well , you're the Marketing Expert you should tell us if it is too much or not .", "User Interface : Well , this is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think {disfmarker} Well , according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : so , I will give more importance to the look and feel than {disfmarker} rather than the", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} So you you you suggest to go f", "Marketing : new inputs and also it's {disfmarker} I'm not convinced about this L_C_D_ because you need uh internet connection , you need more things , it's not just buying a new control re remote , you need {disfmarker} buying control remote , buying uh", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound} S so you're simply", "Marketing : more things . It's not so simple .", "Project Manager : you're simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons {disfmarker} with only a few buttons .", "Marketing : For instance , yeah . Yeah for for for {disfmarker} given an an example yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay good . So maybe you can go ahead ?", "Marketing : Yeah no , it's what I already said ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 30, "turns": [ 21, 85 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery issues , flip top design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the size of the triple A batteries was an issue as they were quite bulky and made the remote controls appear quite chunky. Industrial Designer suggested getting the circular round ones but wasn't sure about power consumption. User Interface said often used main functions should be on the top while the complex functions should be put in the middle. Also, the flip top should be a trendy design with soft or little hard buttons for better user-friendly.", "title": "Remote Control Battery and Flip Top Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 26 ], [ 56, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "battery issues , flip top design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; want to look at the size issue because most of them are powered by triple A batteries but those can be quite bulky; most remote controls; chunky and that's because of the size of the batteries; the main components I came up with were obviously the power source for the batteries' cause otherwise it's not gonna work; User Interface; make flip-top with a trendy design; maybe we should look at also like the buttons whether they are like soft or little hard; overall a simple and user-friendly design.", "title": "Remote Control Battery and Flip Top Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 26 ], [ 56, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "triple A batteries , battery issues , flip top design", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the triple A batteries could be quite bulky in size making the remote controls quite chunky so suggested looking at something else to shrink down the size of the control like getting the sort of circular round ones though wasn't sure about the power consumption.", "title": "Industrial Designer View on Triple A Batteries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "triple A batteries , battery issues , flip top design", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer wasn't sure whether want to look at the size issue of the remote because most of remotes got powered by triple A batteries which could be quite bulky and shrink down the size of the control because most remote controls appeared quite chunky and that's because of the size of the triple A batteries.", "title": "Industrial Designer View on Triple A Batteries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "working design", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about the working design of the remote control whereby they had a wireless range of up to about five meters with power going to the infrared bulb with the chip and UI interface and when pressed the chip would convert it into some form of IR data decoded by the TV receiver meaning they had to conform to whatever form of communication the TVs already used and that was another reason to use the infrared.", "title": "Working Principle of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 26, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "working design", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they needed something to decode the information that put in from the control and now these had a wireless range of up to about five meters which were sort of suitable for anyone who was watching the TV. They just got the power going to the infrared bulb with the chip and the UI interface which would basically when you pressed anything, the chip would then convert it into some form of IR data which could be decoded by the TV receiver, which meant that they were going to have to conform to whatever form of communication that the TVs were used. Industrial Designer also mentioned that that was another use and reason of using that infrared because that was what all TVs used at the moment and should be available a wider audience.", "title": "Working Principle of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 26, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "top model", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface talked about the external design of the remote control which should be user-friendly without having complex buttons. Therefore, the concept was to have a flip-top model with main functions placed on top and complex functions placed in the middle part of flip top for easy accessibility by a wider range of audience. New features such as shock proof and a new design to appeal to a lot of people could be incorporated because most people prefer user-friendly design to complex designs.", "title": "Criteria for Designing Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "top model", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the remote control should be user-friendly and suggested the concept to have a flip-top model. The main functions often used should be on the top and the complex functions which the young generation or trendy generation want to, like their favorite channels or whatever, should be put in the middle part of the flip-top. It was like it could be accessed by a wide range of audiences. Also, adding features such as shock proof body and maybe a design to appeal to many people. User Interface suggested making flip-top with a trendy design and should look at the buttons, found out whether they like soft or little hard. Overall the remote control should have a simple and user-friendly design.", "title": "Criteria for Designing Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 60 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Okay , yeah I'll go first . Can I grab the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Unplug me .", "Industrial Designer : Thanks . What do I have to press ? Oh , F_ eight ?", "Project Manager : Um , F_N_ function F_ eight .", "Industrial Designer : Oh right , yeah . Okay . Maybe {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Yep there we go . Okay this is uh the working design , presented by me , the uh Industrial Designer extraordinaire .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay , this is where I went a bit mad with PowerPoint so . What {disfmarker} the first thing {disfmarker} question I asked was what are we trying to design ? Well , a device which basically just sends the signal to the T_V_ to change its state , whether that be the power , or the channel um or the volume , everything is just um some sort of signal to change the state of the T_V_ or other appliance that it's sending the signal to . Um , so I decided I'd have a look at what th other people have designed and try and take some inspiration from that . But uh although we will want to be taking ideas from other people , we wanna make sure that our design stands out and I thought that was something that {disfmarker} well it wasn't really my area because {vocalsound} I'm dealing with the inside really . So um , yeah I ran out of time so I couldn't do this one as fun as the last one {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um and uh {vocalsound} I found out that most uh controls use some form of infrared to send signals to the T_V_ presumably because of the cost issue of uh something like uh the same thing that computers use , wireless and , you don't need to send very much information . Um , most of them are powered by some form of battery . Now our one , I'm I'm not sure whether we want to look at the size issue because most of them are powered by triple A_ batteries but those can be quite bulky so I d I didn't know if you wanted to look at something else um so we could shrink down the size of the control .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Could I {disfmarker} can I interject to ask a question there ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah sure .", "Marketing : is that appropriate ? You're saying the triple A_ batteries are small or the {gap} surrounding it ?", "Industrial Designer : Um no no , if you if you look at if you look at most remote controls they're quite they're quite chunky and that's because of the size of the batteries ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : they have to be obviously this certain size to fit those batteries in .", "Marketing : Right , the triple A_s are the smallest you can get are they not , right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah the the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : They are .", "Industrial Designer : well you can you can get the sort of circular round ones but I'm just wondering about power consumption", "Marketing : Oh I see .", "Industrial Designer : and how much you need to send the data across .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Um , and d which leads sort of onto the next point about 'em being small and easy to carry round . Um , now the ones at the moment are small but I was just wondering if we could look at something a bit smaller . {vocalsound} Now the main components I came up with um were obviously the power source for the batteries 'cause otherwise it's not gonna work , uh as I said about the {disfmarker} w which batteries we were gonna choose , we can uh discuss that later and then you obviously need something to decode the information that you're putting in from from the controller Now these have a wireless range of up to about five metres which is sort of suitable for anyone who's watching the T_V_ unless they're in a cinema , which not most people do so as we're applying to the most audience that should be fine . And then I was uh {disfmarker} just had a quick look at the external design but I d I left that mostly to the uh interface designer . And so this is what I had as the basic idea of what we wanna do .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : It's not a proper circuit , I'm not sure if it'd work or not , I'm not even confident that those are the real um the real way you'd wire it up but anyway , we've just got the the power going to the infrared bulb with the chip and the {vocalsound} uh U_I_ interface um which would basically , when you when you pressed anything it would {disfmarker} the chip would convert it into some form of I_R_ data which could be decoded by the T_V_ receiver , which obviously means that we're gonna have to conform to {vocalsound} whatever um whatever form of communication that the T_V_s are already using and since that that's another use and {disfmarker} reason to use that infrared because that's what all T_V_s use at the moment . And then finally , um we want uh the {disfmarker} it to be available to a wide audience at a low cost so all the components that I've put forward are uh low in cost so that that should be good . Um it should should be different enough um from the alternative products to get a good consumer base , we were talking about it before and also just something that I was thinking about , uh because they're small they're also easy to lose so if we could look into some way of {disfmarker} d dunno some anti-going down the side of the sofa {vocalsound} thing that you could have ,", "Marketing : Mm . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I {disfmarker} th that was just sort of a general point there .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And that's uh {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : That's a very important part , it came up in our market research findings too so I can refer to that , whenever you like me to present .", "Industrial Designer : Alright okay , and yeah , that's that's what I came up with there ,", "Project Manager : Okay , thank you very much .", "Industrial Designer : so if you wanna {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um , would you like to continue on from that ?", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Ooh .", "User Interface : 'Kay . It can be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Or , maybe move the laptop over .", "User Interface : okay , that's okay with me . {gap} further . {gap}", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : Oops . Why's it not working ? F_ eight , right ?", "Project Manager : F_ function .", "Industrial Designer : Function F_ eight yeah .", "User Interface : Okay . Mm why's it in the right ?", "Marketing : No . The plug hasn't come out at the bottom , has it ? No .", "User Interface : Yeah , it's connecting {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : No , no yeah it's just {gap} .", "Marketing : Meter adjusting .", "User Interface : {gap} okay .", "Project Manager : Oh , there {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah . Actually mm some of my points might overlap with what William's just mention ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : but basically my method was like uh whatever brainstorming we did in the last meeting , just a couple of valuable points and started developing on that and there might be some missing loops in this thing which I think we'll uh take a feedback from the marketing because um , I haven't had some marketing data and basically every product is marketable . So purpose , as William already said , I would put it to simplify the interaction with T_V_ to make make it as simple as possible . And to summarise I I would say it's {disfmarker} it should be user-friendly by being easy to use , rather than having a lot of complex button because you can have an engineering {gap} maybe having hundred buttons and maybe having uh a remote control which has the main features like volume control or channel ch changing the channel or whatever . But we are to to make it unique so that people want to buy it , will {gap} this two features together . So what the concept is to have a flip-top model . The main functions such as which are like often used will be on the top and the complex functions which say you {disfmarker} you can say like the y young generation or trendy generation want to pr say programme their favourite channels or whatever , can be put in the middle part of the f flip-top . So it's like {disfmarker} it could be accessed by a wide ra range of uh audience and we can punch in new f features such as uh {disfmarker} added features such as shock proof body and maybe a design to appeal to a lot of people . Findings most people prefer us user-friendly rather than complex remote controls because there are times like uh people have used a remote control for say a year or something and they they are not used maybe thirty to forty percent of the buttons so it's not {disfmarker} of no use of punching in the uh {disfmarker} trying to put in those things in {disfmarker} on the top of the remote control and try to confuse the user . As we saw we we have to make a profit also so we we can maybe go for an economies of a higher production mm by fifty million we said ? Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : with that I think we'll be able to achieve economies of scale also , so we can give in {disfmarker} add in more features and make it less costly . Um , that's {disfmarker} so this is {disfmarker} if you ask me personally , I would make uh flip-top with a trendy uh uh design and s maybe we we should look at also like the buttons whe whether they are like soft or little hard because they are times when the buttons tend to be a bit hard after uh continuous use {disfmarker} usage and all that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So in overall a simple and uh user-friendly design .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Uh any comments like , if you want ?", "Project Manager : 'Kay . Um , I think we'll chat about it at the end ,", "User Interface : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 2, "turns": [ 0, 38 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "idea , LCD", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "As the idea of using an LCD was presented before, User Interface said that if the prototype had a joystick, it would need to be articulated to retain the ergonomic design. Industrial Designer said it was going to be bulkier than how it looked because it was going to be flat on one side, so the LCD would be sticking down.", "title": "User Interface and Industrial Designer's Proposal for the LCD", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 10, [ 19, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "idea , LCD", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Still very much for the idea of using an LCD. User Interface, have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn, twisted round; with holding it in the left hand, LCD nowhere useful, would need to be articulated, to retain, ergonomic design. Industrial Designer, obviously, gonna be bulkier than how it looks, gonna be flat on one side, so the LCD, sticking down. User Interface, Yeah. Industrial Designer, get it curved.", "title": "User Interface and Industrial Designer's Proposal for the LCD", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 10, [ 19, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interferance" }, "summary": "Project Manager expressed the desire to use rubber and recommended doing it around the grip part in the middle because a rubber gripped over that would give it a slightly more bio-morphic form while making it a bit more ergonomic. User Interface said that with the rubber design, it could be comfortable to the user's hand and that they could extend the rubber part beyond the end of the rigid substructure, Project Manager thought that idea was great.", "title": "A Rubber Grip Design", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 16, [ 26, 28 ], 32 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interferance" }, "summary": "Project Manager proposed a rubber gripped to make the product more bio-morphic and ergonomic. User Interface suggested extending the rubber part to the end of the rigid substructure, Project Manager agreed.", "title": "A Rubber Grip Design", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 16, [ 26, 28 ], 32 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : That should hopefully do the trick , um . 'Kay . Sorry about the small delay . Falling a little bit behind schedule . And that's uh fifteen twenty five . Okay . So just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one , um we're gonna go for something uh uh how was it ? Uh The new black , I believe .", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Um something that looks good 'cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end , though we should never avoid functionality , of course . Uh many of our components are gonna be standard , off the shelf , but it seemed like we were gonna require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an L_C_D_ display . Um other things were we were hoping to use rubber , most likely gonna be double curved , etcetera . Okay . So um due to your hard work , we might as well let the uh two designers go first , and uh show us the prototype .", "User Interface : Okay , it's a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Quite how the best way to do this is , I'm not sure ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {gap} I think if we both step up", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : and uh outline our ideas . Okay . Now do {disfmarker} uh doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design . Um for one thing , it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is um is h i is down here for the uh L_E_D_ . As it turned out , the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the uh function buttons and joystick , though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : {gap} ju just a thought . You could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn uh twisted round , so that the uh sticky uh so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other . But as you as you see with the uh {vocalsound} with holding it in the left hand , the L_ uh the L_C_D_ is nowhere useful , so that would need to be articulated uh if we're going to retain {gap} ergonomic design . Um now I I got your note about uh keeping the cost down .", "Project Manager : I'm afraid yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We'll go into that a bit more ,", "User Interface : {gap} this design could be done with um with uh plastic casing .", "Project Manager : but please go on .", "User Interface : Though I would recommend around the grip part here in the middle , having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio-morphic form , and a bit more ergonomic as well . As for the um as for the single curve , um well this edge and this edge , like I say it would be nice to have some curvature to it , but it's not absolutely necessary . Really the curve that's most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this . Um and you have the uh transmitter here and a wee speaker for the uh for the uh for the uh fi uh for the remote control finder . So .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Any further comments ?", "Industrial Designer : Um obviously it's gonna be bulkier than how it looks , because it's gonna be flat on one side , so the L_C_D_ will be s sticking down like this , won't it ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause it {disfmarker} you can't get it curved .", "User Interface : Yeah , I mean the", "Industrial Designer : Uh because of costs .", "User Interface : uh {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And it's plastic as well , so it won't be as comfortable on the hand .", "User Interface : Yeah . I mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mould very much to the to the user's hand .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : One nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber , I though of was to have {gap} the uh rubber extend beyond the end of the uh {vocalsound} of the rigid substructure . So it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nicely .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm . Lovely . Um .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , yeah . Great . Um .", "Marketing : Right . Yeah I've got a {disfmarker} if you load up my evaluation document .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay {gap} .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Excellent work .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 31, 53 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "current situation , HEFCW , powers , intervention", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM said there was some evidence that pointed out that HEFCW's powers of intervention were inflexible and hard to use. Kirsty Williams AM said they were not inflexible, despite the fact that the system could allow ramping and escalating levels of intervention in the sector. Bowden mentioned that HEFCW stated to take informal measures as a regulator, and wondered how could that work in the tertiary education body when there were more than 10 providers. Kirsty Williams AM replied that the powers of HEFCW were flexible and soft because they were not punitive, instead, they offered advice and guidance, as well as powers to undertake enhanced monitoring of institutions to ensure compliance with regulatory conditions.", "title": "HEFCW's Powers of Intervention", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "current situation , HEFCW , powers , intervention", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM asked about HEFCW's powers of intervention, arguing that powers were inflexible and hard to use. Kirsty Williams AM disagreed and said they were not inflexible, but recognized that ramping up and escalating levels of intervention in the sector by HEFCW was possible. Bowden said HEFCW took informal measures or actions in their role as regulator. Kirsty Williams AM answered there were sufficiently flexible and soft regulatory powers that the commission could exercise, which were non-punitive.", "title": "HEFCW's Powers of Intervention", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "control , HEFCW , powers , intervention", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said post-legislative scrutiny was useful, and that a regulatory regime could control HEFCW's powers, and protect the institutional autonomy. Also proposed to create a commission that could manage to provide a soft regulation.", "title": "Control HEFCW's Powers of Intervention", "relevant_turns": [ 8, [ 13, 14 ], 17 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "control , HEFCW , powers , intervention", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said post-legislative scrutiny was useful to reflect on the feedback. Huw Morris mentioned that the Hazelkorn review explored how outcome agreements provided a broader measure of the range of things the institutions do and a mechanism for tracking how things were done. Kirsty Williams AM talked about creating a regulatory regime, to enshrine institutional autonomy., like a commission that would still be able to be close to the sector, close enough to provide a soft regulation.", "title": "Control HEFCW's Powers of Intervention", "relevant_turns": [ 8, [ 13, 14 ], 17 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "support , universities", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM mentioned the importance of the non-punitive actions of the HEFCW, and the use of their ability to support institutions.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's Opinion on Universities Support", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 21 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "support , universities", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM; expect the commission, series of abilities to intervene, from the soft, flexible type, non-punitive, series of abilities to intervene, support institutions, more punitive, danger of not providing quality or financial failure; challenging times, legal processes, HEFCW, to ensure, o support those universities, use the full remit of their powers, trust their professional judgment.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's Opinion on Universities Support", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 21 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : We've got some questions now around HEFCW's powers of intervention from Dawn Bowden.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you, Chair. We received substantial evidence from HEFCW suggesting that powers were inflexible and hard to use\u2014I think HEFCW called them 'threatening'\u2014saying that they make sanctions difficult to use and so on. Are you satisfied that HEFCW's powers are useful on a preventative day-to-day basis?", "Kirsty Williams AM : If I may disagree slightly, I don't think their powers are frightening. It's very clear what powers are available to HEFCW, and they're certainly more than just the ability to, maybe, lean on an institution. Clearly, there is a system by which there is the ability to, you know, ramp up and escalate levels of intervention in the sector by HEFCW, but I certainly wouldn't describe them as inflexible or not having weight.", "Dawn Bowden AM : I think they were saying it was difficult to use for swift interventions\u2014they found it a bit cumbersome. They explained to us that they often take informal measures or actions in their role as regulator, and they've explained that the small size of the sector enables good relationships to be developed. How can such measures work in the tertiary education body when there clearly will be many more than the 10 providers?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, looking ahead to the new Bill, I would want to see and be very keen to ensure that there are sufficiently flexible\u2014did you use the word soft\u2014and soft regulatory powers that the commission could exercise. Those powers, for instance, could include the ability to offer advice and guidance, rather than, maybe, punitive interventions, and powers to undertake enhanced monitoring of institutions to ensure compliance with regulatory conditions. So, I would expect the commission to be able to have a series of abilities to intervene, from the soft, flexible type, which is non-punitive but actually allows people to go in and support institutions, through to something that would be, as I said, more punitive, if they felt that an institution was in danger of not providing quality or financial failure.", "Hefin David AM : Can I just come in there, on the point that was made? The issue that seemed to me to come from HEFCW and from the universities is that the dial seems to have only three steps. So, rather than having a graduated series of actions that they can take, it seems to step from\u2014what did he call it\u2014a 'meeting without coffee' to\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : That's a very HEFCW thing to say.", "Hefin David AM : \u2014potentially institutions going bankrupt, and there don't seem to be many steps in between that. I'd invite you to say whether you'd like to remedy that in future.", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think, as I said at the beginning of the session, this is why this post-legislative scrutiny is useful, because we can reflect on that feedback. As I said, I would expect to be able to ensure that the commission had a range of powers that could address\u2014from that soft power and those early conversations to being able to, as I said, issue, perhaps, advice and guidance to an institution, so there would be a more graduated escalation. Huw, is there anything else that I've missed out?", "Huw Morris : Just to build on what the Minister has said, there's a range of ways in which we interact with all institutions that are going to be in the tertiary sector, and some of that is about providing information. So, HEFCW provides information\u2014it sends around circulars, it produces reports and it holds events. There's staff, management and leadership development activity, which can create a culture amongst the leaders of institutions, but also amongst their governing bodies, to help them move in a particular direction. We would hope that's in the direction of the civic university approach that the Minister has outlined. We use those mechanisms and informal interactions with FE college principals, with the work-based learning provider network, with sixth forms and others, and we would want to see, I hope, in the tertiary sector some alignment of those things. When things go badly wrong, there are a range of mechanisms. I think what stands behind HEFCW's comments is that before we had a loan-based system of student finance, there was a system of block grant allocations and conditions could be attached to those grant allocations by HEFCW. I don't think we're going to be going back to that system in the foreseeable future because of the pressures on public finances\u2014", "Hefin David AM : That wasn't how I understood it. I understood it to be the fact that you use these informal powers and then the next step up is quite a severe sanction and there's not much in between those.", "Huw Morris : So, in\u2014. Shall I carry on?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Of course, yes.", "Huw Morris : In the Hazelkorn review, there's quite a lot of focus on that and looking to learn from other national systems where outcome agreements provide a broader measure of the range of things the institutions do and a mechanism for tracking how things are done through the provision of information back to the institution to help them know how they're doing. And potentially, in some of these other institutions, funding is linked to some of those things.", "Kirsty Williams AM : And, of course, what always has to be\u2014. What we have to strike the balance of as well is at what point those powers seem to be\u2014and the ability to direct\u2014interfering with the principle of autonomy within an institution. So, there's that balance to be struck, isn't there, about creating a regulatory regime, which I'm very keen and the Act attempted to do, which was to enshrine institutional autonomy, and that's really, really important, but also a regulatory regime, the ability to influence and to develop and to deliver national outcomes and the power to intervene in that sector, which you know, better than probably anybody else in this room, guards that institutional autonomy very, very, very dear indeed. And that's the balance that we need to try and strike as we go forward with the new commission proposals.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. Dawn.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you, Chair. I think, in terms of the levels of measures\u2014and I understand what you're saying\u2014but I think what HEFCW were saying was that they try as far as possible to use informal measures and they are able to do that because of the size of the sector\u2014just 10 institutions to work with. The post-16 sector, however many we're talking\u201450 plus providers\u2014it's probably going to be less likely that they would be able to have that sort of relationship with the leaders in those institutions. So, the informal measures might not be as prevalent as they are currently, possibly.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, but also, what's incumbent upon me as the Minister is to ensure that the commission is set up in a way where it can have that relationship with the sector, because what's really important to remember is that HEFCW will be replaced. We're not asking HEFCW suddenly to go from regulating a small number of institutions to suddenly regulating 50. We'll be creating a commission that will be structured in such a way that it can have those relationships. Because, of course, whilst HEFCW will face changes, our relationship with and how we manage the FE sector and the apprenticeship sector will also shift. So, the point is that we need to create a commission that will still be able to be close to the sector, close enough to be able to provide that soft regulation, those really important relationships in a way\u2014. So, it has to be created in such a way and resourced in such a way that it allows that to happen, and that's my intention.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. Well, then, of course, the University of Wales said to us that they felt that there was the potential for HEFCW to issue directions enforceable by injunction to remedy minor matters. So, I think, from what you're saying, you wouldn't be expecting that to happen. Just the fact that they've got the power doesn't necessarily mean that that's what they're going to do.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, I think it's important to recognise when HEFCW can enforce its directions by way of an injunction. If they were to do that because a university was breaking fee limits or because there were real questions about the quality of the provision or whether a university was not complying with the financial management code\u2014personally, I wouldn't describe those as minor matters, as a Minister, if we had an institution that was significantly falling down on quality and HEFCW were using these powers to intervene. I wouldn't describe that as a minor matter.", "Dawn Bowden AM : No. That's fair enough. And, actually, on that point, we've had some recent high-profile issues in Swansea and Trinity St David, and HEFCW still haven't yet used their powers of intervention. Do you find that surprising?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think what they have done in these circumstances is, perhaps, used their ability to support those institutions through what, undoubtedly, have been challenging times. Given the fact that there are ongoing legal processes attached to Swansea University, I think it would not be appropriate for me to comment any further, because there are still matters in train with regard to that institution. But clearly, our expectation on HEFCW is to ensure that they are using their powers to support those universities, and I would expect them, if they felt necessary, to use the full remit of their powers if they felt that that was what they needed to do. Now, I have to trust their professional judgment that that has not been necessary to date, but our expectation is that they would do that if they felt it was necessary.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Chair." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 34, "turns": [ 353, 545 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "designs , normal remotes , new remote , differences , normal ones", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface noticed traditional remote controls had rectangular shape and looked confusing. Their only common feature was channel and volume controls. Other buttons were disorganized and inconsistent when compared to other models. Remotes were not standard. New remote would have flip-top with an interface, with icons or touch pad, choosing a channel would be simple by clicking on the icon on LCD, repetitive buttons would be placed on the top, using pointer to change a channel not needed. Speech recognition and find me option would be considered.", "title": "Differences beteween Traditional and New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], [ 21, 26 ], 45, [ 47, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "designs , normal remotes , new remote , differences , normal ones", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User interface said there was not much of a variety offered. Remotes were rectangular, monotonous and confusing. Volume and channel buttons looked the same. Old models were non-consistent and disorganized. New model was hoped to have most used buttons incorporated on its top on pointing device. Buttons would be rubberised. An LCD dispaly would be there with icons and buttons that appear, touch pad style. One could hold it like mobile phone. Voice recognition and finding option consisting of bleeping sounds would be an option to consider on a new remote control. User could be able to change the remote's body or the case.", "title": "Special Features of the New Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], [ 21, 28 ], 45, [ 47, 49 ], 181 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cut down , speech recognition feature , cost", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Team agreed speech recognition might be an expensive feature and checking if financially the company could afford it was needed. Reducing remote's production costs would be mostly done by focusing on cheap materials used in manufacturing process and LCD screen only available in black and white.", "title": "Costs Cut in Case of Speech Recognition Adoption", "relevant_turns": [ 45, [ 72, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cut down , speech recognition feature , cost", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface admitted checking into finnacial feasibility whether they could incorporate speech recognition at a low cost was needed. Costs might be cut by incorporating voice recognition for the finding it. Availability of used materials in stock might help. Remanufacturing the product would not be expensive. Materials used were a definitive cut down feature in the production as they were simple and cheap. LCD sceen should be made in black and white to reduce costs.", "title": "Financial Feasibility of Speech Control Tool", "relevant_turns": [ 45, [ 72, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plastic , rubber", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "The team while discussing materials remote control should be made of decided to use plastic, for its body design. The plastic shell of the remote would have rubber casing. Rubber would be used as a padding or the grip of the remote. Rubber buttons would be included.", "title": "Plastic and Rubber used as Materials for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 118, 135 ], 150 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plastic , rubber", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Rubber would be used as padding and for buttons. Rubber casing for plastic shell of the remote.", "title": "Plastic Remote with Rubber Padding", "relevant_turns": [ [ 118, 135 ], 150 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "monotonous , channel control , volume control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface noted most remote controls had monotonous designs. Common features were channel control and volume control buttons, the only organized ones.", "title": "Common Features of Normal Remotes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "monotonous , channel control , volume control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "monotonous kind; common feature; channel control; volume control", "title": "Traditional Remote's Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cheap", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer noticed it would be cheap to re-manufacture some parts of the remote if they were in stock already. Project manager thought simple and cheap materials were used in design, except the LCD which wasn't cheap.", "title": "Cheap Materials for the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 77, 84 ], 87, 145 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "cheap", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "It would be cheap to re-manufacture parts used, except LCD. Materials used were cheap.", "title": "Chaep Remanufacture", "relevant_turns": [ [ 77, 84 ], 87, 145 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "white", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface referred users were tired with white color of remotes. Industrial Designer added the white version would be cheaper than colorful one. User interface proposed conceptualizing the remote color palette with black and white version. Project Manager came with black and white zebra-like stripes idea.", "title": "White Colour Pros", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 88, 95 ], 145 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "white", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "People were bored of black and white remotes, User Interface said. The idea was to start with the black and white as a base as it would be not as expensive. Project manager said they could make the remote black and white zebra stripes, psychedelic type of remote.", "title": "Psychedelic Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 88, 95 ], 145 ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Okay , uh would like to share something which I did here . First thing is uh basically on design we just took the input from the previous meeting , especially from the marketing and industrial design , to check on the customer needs and feasibility . Second is we checked into competitors , the picture here shows one of the standard models offered by competitors here . So y you generally see there's not much of variety and like marketing team said uh , people need trendy , they are bored of black and white .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : So you generally see rectangular shape , very monotonous kind of designs here .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : And uh second thing is there's too much of confusion here . No particular remote is standard .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Like , some some people have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Here you see this ? This is on a {disfmarker} I I I found th that uh only common feature is the ch uh channel control and uh volume control , rest other buttons , they are in a very disorganized and they are not consistent th with other models and all .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay , and second as already discussed with William , we are going to have m maybe a G_ G_U_I_ interface in the f in the middle of the flip-top", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : and g graphic user interface", "Marketing : Sorry what does that stand for ?", "Project Manager : Which means {disfmarker}", "User Interface : basically which is what we d do in computer , have icons or touch pad or whatever ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : which is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : If you if {disfmarker} yeah if you have like buttons that appear on the screen in this L_C_D_ screen .", "User Interface : Like you have on a l uh {disfmarker} icons or something y you have {disfmarker} is a good example of G_U_I_ graphic user interface .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So basically {gap} not point or click {gap} {disfmarker} Press any particular device , he just has to click on that particular icon to simplify .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : And on the top m repetitive buttons which are like volume or channel changing and all could be on the pointing device , that means the use of button . So he need not use a pointer to keep changing the channel if a person is frequent surfer .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So we are having a combination of boards , so f on the s simpler board , on the top we have this button , rubber buttons , to keep frequently changing the channels .", "Project Manager : Can we swap that round so th that the ones that we use all the time are on the bottom part ?", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : 'Cause if you're thinking about holding it you would be using your thumbs to press , just like a mobile phone .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : No you'd hold it {disfmarker} you don't {disfmarker} if you flip it open then you'd be {disfmarker} Wouldn't you ? Isn't that the idea ? You us if we just use the shell as an example again , you open that , you've got your L_C_D_ display there and you've got the buttons there so you're holding it in the palm of your hand , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's what I was just saying ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah but you can do it with your thumb li", "User Interface : But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and then have the and then have the L_C_D_ at the top", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and then be able to touch that for the {vocalsound} other controls ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Okay and you mean to the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so have the um the volume and the programme , things like that ,", "User Interface : And the lower distance .", "Project Manager : on the lower side .", "User Interface : Oh f perfect .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "User Interface : So the findings are too many cluttered buttons . Repetition of certain but buttons which I already explained , example the volume and channel control buttons . All are confusing and in inconsistent . Okay we had a latest finding of voice recognition , there was a mail which mentions that our division has developed a new speech recognition s feature . We have to check into the {disfmarker} for financial f feasibility whether we can incorporate it {disfmarker} this at a low cost , but for {disfmarker} like we had g um s response from the customers that they would like to have the feature of finding it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So it could be like , where is the remote , and the remote answers I am here .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Some kind of thing or it gives a b bleep sound or some kind of sound", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : and if this can be incorporated this would be more uh {disfmarker} you can say trendy also ? And technologically innovative also .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So we we can check into the financial feasibility of incorporating this . My personal preferences would be like , as already {gap} uh marketing department , they want something to do with fruit so I wouldn't say the design should be like a fruit , but yeah we can take inspiration from fruit colours , like the vibrant colours , uh red chilli uh", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : tomato red or whatever and second thing is cer certain standard buttons we should have , like for example , i if you see the previous slide uh", "Industrial Designer : Well , yeah we {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I think most of the users would now be well acquainted with this cer central pattern , here , so we we we would not change h that particular pattern", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : because i this is the most consistent thing in all remote controls .", "Project Manager : I can't see that , is that play and stop and things ?", "User Interface : This is central one , the one you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Or is that volume and channel ?", "User Interface : yeah volume and channel . So keep that m {disfmarker} that standardised because that's the most common feature across all models , if you look at all the models , it's here . This and voice recognition .", "Project Manager : Okay . Right . Okay . Um I'm not sure how long we've got left , but we need to make a decision about um the things we've discussed . So , we agree on {disfmarker} Do we agree on the battery ?", "User Interface : The kinetic .", "Marketing : Kinetic ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , that means that there's no function for li the port , you know that it sits in , then pressing the button then having {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : so we could incorporate voice recognition for the finding it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's a bi i it's like a g it's a gadget , it's a", "Industrial Designer : I mean if {disfmarker} Yeah it is it is qui it's quite a cool feature to have", "Project Manager : selling point .", "Industrial Designer : and also if they've got it {disfmarker} if they've got these parts already in stock , then it won't be cheap to re-manufacture them ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : uh or it will be cheap sorry to re-manufacture them . So do you reckon that's a good idea that , where's the remote , I'm here thing ? I think that would be quite fun .", "Project Manager : I think the only", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : I think the only pitfall that we would have would be how much it's going to cost if that means we have to cut down somewhere else ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : but I think pretty much we've used cheap {disfmarker} relatively cheap and simple things .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : The L_C_D_'s not cheap .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah to s th well it's it's not as expensive as it would be if it was full colour 'cause if we've just got a black and white one ,", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : I mean they use them in calculators so .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : Maybe we could start with the black and white .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : That that way we could upgrade later {gap} .", "Project Manager : And you could {disfmarker} yeah . Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , we talked about kinetic charging ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : we've deci seem to have decided on that , did we decide on double A_ or triple A_ batteries ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Well you cou um .", "Project Manager : Do you want like a back-up ?", "Marketing : No , one of the decisions we had to make was whether we had double A_ or triple A_ batteries 'cause they've still got to be charged this way haven't they ?", "Industrial Designer : K no the kinetic ones come come with um a sort of w watch {disfmarker} a battery that goes in a watch .", "Marketing : I oh I see . Right , okay , got you .", "Industrial Designer : So it's a lot smaller , so it would {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Got you on that okay , didn't realise .", "Project Manager : Um , okay so we've got battery . The inside components is pretty standardised across the board isn't it ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So there's not a {disfmarker} really a decision to be made there , um . The buttons {disfmarker} what did you give us as our {disfmarker} The bare-board L_C_D_ or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah the {disfmarker} well I think were {disfmarker} we're going for the L_C_D_ on that one , on the buttons ,", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : on the on the on on the top one we're gonna", "Project Manager : On the top one okay you've got the touch", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : okay and then {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : On the bottom we were gonna have the rubber , the rubber ones , the anti-R_S_I_ ones .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , okay .", "Marketing : Sorry could you repeat that last part ?", "Industrial Designer : Um , okay on {disfmarker} we've got the flip the flip-screen , the top one is gonna be the L_C_D_ and the bottom one is gonna be the rubberised buttons .", "Marketing : L_C_D_ screen . Mm-hmm . Okay .", "User Interface : And for the {disfmarker} sorry .", "Project Manager : No , it's fine .", "User Interface : For the body design I think plastic , uh w yeah", "Industrial Designer : Plastic ,", "User Interface : we could use the body ,", "Project Manager : For the inside .", "Industrial Designer : okay .", "User Interface : for the inside and uh rubber as a padding or for the grip , something like to add to the design .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm ,", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : so we decided on a rubber casing for the plastic shell , a variety of designs ,", "User Interface : Plast right .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh I think so , I think so .", "Marketing : okay . and it is just uh {disfmarker} although it's rubberised and spongy , apart from that we're just going to go for sort of vegetable and fruit colours , we're not gonna try and make it actually a vegetable or fruit design or anything else , like a shell that we discussed ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm no .", "Project Manager : No I think I {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : just go for the colours .", "User Interface : It's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : we don't wanna be tacky if we've got a kind of different shape anyway", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : um the fact {disfmarker} the m the material that we would be using would be cheap , so we could make it red , we could make it um psychedelic , you know , we could make it black and white zebra stripes ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : but that's not really what we're focusing on , what we're focusing on is the m you know {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The feel .", "Project Manager : yes . So we could just pick anything .", "Marketing : 'Kay . Mm-hmm . Is that going to be {disfmarker} this image I've got in my head of something kind of shaped like that , maybe about that size , made of plastic , fits into the palm of the hand , rubberised cover that's spongy . Is that really going to fit fancy look and feel which was the major thing that people wanted , market research ,", "User Interface : Uh I {disfmarker} it's different .", "Project Manager : It's just different", "Marketing : is that fancy {gap} ?", "Project Manager : it's just different from everything else and I mean , I'm trying to imagine um clean looking houses ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : sort of beige and black", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : um so you either want something that goes with that , which is what's on the market anyway ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : or you want something that contrasts as {vocalsound} you know like you get clocks now that are more of a talking point than an actual clock because they're so interesting and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah . I'm just kind of pushing at that to see if you came out with anything else , but I mean I totally agree . We looked at those remotes , I mean they are kind of anonymous , very similar looking things .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : This would definitely be different enough , I just wondered if anybody could come up with something even more {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And you would just have an {disfmarker} across the b you would have so many different options that you could do , you could have um a plain black one , you could have sparkly pink glittery ones for your little {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well the thing is the rubberised covers are going to be s relatively cheap to produce , that if in a year's time we we get feedback from the design fairs that show something else is coming {disfmarker} I mean it's so easy for us to just produce that and it can be slipped on ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Right .", "Project Manager : And ones tha ones that have rubbery spikes {vocalsound}", "Marketing : which is another beauty of it .", "Project Manager : y you know , you could just go so far with it ,", "Industrial Designer : You can you can just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Acupressure , you could talk of acupressures .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : like a puffer fish , you could just , you could take it wherever ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so I think that's quite a flexible thing .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : And finally the body should be retouchable , may maybe ch you can change the body or the case {disfmarker} casing {disfmarker} the case outside ,", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : it should be moulded {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} the design in such a way you can change it every time .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah j with these rubber these rubberised ca", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : not the actual uh plastic outside case , just the rubber thing that goes round the outside .", "User Interface : Okay . The rubber .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay we've got five minutes , {vocalsound} um , or that might've been up for a while .", "User Interface : Fine .", "Marketing : Mm , so can I just recap uh Sarah ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 27, 33 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Welsh bac , employment", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil clarified a misconception on the Welsh bac. It was a combination of qualifications that was essentially a vital part on skills development for employment.", "title": "Importance of Welsh Bac on Employment Preparation", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Welsh bac , employment", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil clarified a misconception on Welsh Bac as not being a single qualification but rather a combination of qualifications. 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However, this required a review on how it could produce possible skilled employees.", "title": "Effectiveness of Welsh Bac on Employment Preparation", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Welsh bac , employment , learners", "speaker": "Kay Martin" }, "summary": "Kay Martin mentioned that the Welsh bac helped prepare most learners for employment, particularly the A-level students for university. However, this required a review on how it could produce possible skilled employees, as some came from schools with very few GCEs, or those that haven't got literacy and numeracy skills.", "title": "Welsh Bac Effectiveness on Employment Preparation", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Welsh bac , employment", "speaker": "Dafydd Evans , Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans had mentioned that the Welsh bac had much usages at certain higher levels. However, priority was given in taking GCSEs and retaking it. Meanwhile, Nick Brazil uttered that the Welsh bac, being a combination of qualifications, could help develop employability skills.", "title": "Welsh Bac's Role on Employment Preparation", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Welsh bac , employment", "speaker": "Dafydd Evans , Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans had mentioned that Welsh bac had more usages at level 3, and A-level, and vocational level 3. Nick Brazil added that it was a combination of qualifications that could help develop employability skills.", "title": "Welsh Bac Levels for Employment Skills Development", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 3 ] } ], "source": [ "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. Good morning. What are your views on how well the Welsh bac, at all levels, helps to prepare learners for employment? We've spoken to quite a few learners, and again we've had variable opinions coming back, so it's quite how they, from their perspective\u2014.", "Dafydd Evans : I think that one of the problems is that there are a number of priorities. And one of the problems that we have is that we have a number of children coming in to the colleges, and they need to resit their GCSEs\u2014in maths, English and Welsh. It's a valid priority for the Welsh Government for everyone to get a\u00a0C grade in the core subjects. But that eats into the time that we have to teach young people. And so there's no room for everything in the curriculum somehow\u2014no room in the funding or also in terms of the time and the capacity of the learner to be able to do that number of qualifications. So, the priorities, I think, across the sector\u2014. We've given priority to GCSE\u00a0resits\u00a0rather than doing the Welsh bac\u00a0at present. So, at levels 1 and 2, there are fewer and fewer doing 1 and 2 in the baccalaureate because they're resitting their GCSEs, and there is much more use of the Welsh bac at level 3, and A-level, and vocational level 3.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay. Thank you.", "Nick Brazil : Can I just add to that? I think, again, there's a misconception. The Welsh bac is a combination of qualifications; it's not just one qualification\u2014it's a combination. So, to develop the employability skills obviously is a key part, and developing the skills for employment is a key part. But when you are focused, if you are a learner, on developing or achieving certain qualifications to make up the Welsh bac\u2014for example, resits, your main qualification, plus your work for the Welsh bac, which is the skills challenge certificate as well\u2014that's a huge amount of work. And, obviously, when you're trying to achieve outcomes\u2014and we all get funded on the outcomes\u2014that becomes the priority, and sometimes then we lose the focus on the skills, which are ultimately what were supposed to be part of the development for employability. So, I think people lose the fact that the Welsh bac is a combination of things. And I think it was interesting, the comment that was made about the Duke of Edinburgh\u2014I thought that's something that we need to think about.", "Kay Martin : If I could just say as well, our job in the college is to develop skills and employable people, and we use every tool in our box to do that. And, as I said earlier, there are lots of things that we do. The Welsh bac, where it works really well, does help prepare them, I think, for employment, but it's not for everyone, because some people have to do the other things. Some people doing the equivalent of three A-levels, even in a vocational programme, it's too big for them. As you say, they're coming from schools, some of them with very few GCSEs, or they haven't got literacy and numeracy skills, they're being tested and many of them are below level 1 in terms of literacy and numeracy. So, I think it needs to be reviewed, to look at how we could make skilled and employable people. It helps prepare some people\u2014the A-level students for university\u2014but does it help my health and social care people become more skilled and employable? No, it doesn't.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you.", "Dr Rachel Bowen : And this, ultimately, has to be about what's in the best interests of learners, and a one-size-fits-all approach isn't going to work." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 77, 99 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plan , manage risks", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams proposed to automatically regulate all courses. Alternative courses' providers would be screened by HEFCW to be validated - courses got deregulated if the quality met no standards. The commision must have powers to regulate and futureproof the alternative providers.", "title": "Kirsty Williams Management of Risk", "relevant_turns": [ 7, 9 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "plan , manage risks", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams; Automatically regulated for all courses; a process that is run by HEFCW on a course-by-course basis to validate alternative providers; There is a process to ensure quality provision; Were concerns about the quality, that course could be deregulated; we will need to ensure new commission has powers to regulate and futureproof.", "title": "Kirsty Williams Speaks about Risk Management in Universities Wales", "relevant_turns": [ 7, 9 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reaction , concerns , governance , universities", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams" }, "summary": "Williams said that the fact that Universities of Wales and HEFCW managed to work together with the goal to undertake an independent review of welsh governance was important because it made for more resistance. Williams indicated that one of the points was also to make sure the governing bodies were diverse, student and staff voices should be considered. Gillian Camm worked on independent reviews for changes in governance. Williams expresses concern about the diversity of governance which was one of the priorities. Student voice and staff voice in governance would be considered. Regulatory conditions from the Bill were expected with regard to governance.", "title": "Kirsty Willaims Adresses the Concerns", "relevant_turns": [ 13, 15, 17, 22 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reaction , concerns , governance , universities", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams; the Bill does not directly address issues around governance; HEFCW do have well-established assurance practices in relation to governance; governance brought the issue of governance to the fore once again; I have sought to have a more direct relationship with chairs of universities and have that one-to-one relationship with them; if you do it this way, Universities Wales and HEFCW have worked together to undertake an independent review of governance; It's really important that parties have come together to recognise the issues and to agree to take action; recognition from within the sector themselves that they need to make sure, and they need to give confidence, that governance arrangements are what they should be; We're exploring how the Bill could introduce a regulatory condition in respect of good governance, and a commission would be able to set expectations with regard to good governance; one of the concerns for me is the diversity of governance; there is way to go to making sure that our governing bodies are diverse and that there's an opportunity to look at the student voice in governance going forward, the staff voice in governance going forward; the Bill could introduce a regulatory condition with regard to governance", "title": "Kirsty Williams Reacts to Concerns of the Governance of Universities", "relevant_turns": [ 13, 15, 17, 22 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "validated courses", "speaker": "Huw Morris , Hefin David AM" }, "summary": "Huw Morris said, some private providers had paid attention to charitable status, Kirsty Williams AM thought, were their providers not charitable, they fell out.", "title": "Regulation of Validated Courses", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "validated courses", "speaker": "Huw Morris , Hefin David AM" }, "summary": "Huw Morris; charitable status, operation of things, there has been attention drawn to some private providers; Hefin David AM; if they're not charitable providers running validated courses, for example, they fall outwith the strength of regulation that is currently in place on universities in Wales.", "title": "Validated Courses in Wales", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 6 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Hefin David AM : I'll move on to managing risk, if that's okay. The feedback from Universities Wales suggests that, with the outcome of the 2015 Act, institutions with the strongest track records are more highly regulated than the riskier private alternative providers. Do you think that Act has struck the right balance?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think the Act has created a system where the level of regulation is proportional to the amount and the nature of public moneys received by institutions.", "Hefin David AM : Okay. Those were the words used by Universities Wales\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : No, no, I'm not disagreeing. My view is: I believe that the Act has struck that proportionality. When you look at public moneys going into institutions, I think that the Act is proportionate, myself.", "Hefin David AM : So, do you think it's in the interests of students, then, to be at private institutions\u2014? I've seen those private institutions and how they operate; I've seen them at first-hand\u2014they don't operate to the same rigour as public institutions, and they're less regulated.", "Huw Morris : Can I just chip in? I think that the category 'private' covers quite a wide range of things, and many private institutions are also charities. We don't have the presence of some of the large private charities that are present in other countries, but Stanford and Harvard would count as private universities. So, I think we need to be careful in focusing on the inherent quality of things. We've made charitable status a key reference point in the operation of things at the moment. I think there has been attention drawn to some private providers, particularly in England, but I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush, necessarily.", "Hefin David AM : But they fall outwith\u2014if they're not charitable providers running validated courses, for example, they fall outwith the strength of regulation that is currently in place on the universities in Wales.", "Kirsty Williams AM : So, we would regulate them on a course-by-course basis, so it's back to the issue of proportionality, isn't it? So, you are automatically regulated for all your courses, if you're one of our main universities, but there is a process that is run by HEFCW on a course-by-course basis to validate alternative providers. And as Huw said, I think we should recognise the nature of that is very, very, very small in Wales, and there is a process to ensure quality provision. If there were concerns about the quality of that provision, that course could be deregulated.", "Hefin David AM : And I'm aware that there are a small number of private institutions in Wales, but are you concerned that in the future the landscape may change, particularly with the opportunity to recruit more part-time students? Do you think the landscape may change in future and that the 2015 Act, as designed, wasn't equipped for that, and will the next Act, then, be equipped?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think it's right to say that maybe the previous legislation didn't futureproof for changes. I'm not anticipating a mass influx of alternative providers, in the sense that we've seen across the border, but we will need to ensure that the new commission has powers to regulate and to futureproof.", "Hefin David AM : Okay. Thank you, Chair.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Dawn.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you. We had some evidence from the University and College Union that were concerned about the governance of universities, actually, as being a bigger problem than the regulatory framework in many ways. Can you tell us, perhaps, how the HE Act addresses the issue of poor governance, or is it really just limited to responding to the symptoms rather than the poor governance itself?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, I think it's true and fair to say that the Bill does not directly address issues around governance in the sector. HEFCW do have well-established assurance practices in relation to governance that would predate the 2015 legislation. But governance\u2014we've talked briefly about some recent history within the sector that I think has certainly brought the issue of governance to the fore once again, and I think there are two important things that we're trying to do about that in the current time, prior to any legislative changes. The first is, as I just said to Hefin, I have sought to have a more direct relationship with chairs of universities and have that one-to-one relationship with them, not in the presence of their vice-chancellors. I challenge them, they challenge me, and I think we've deliberately tried to establish a regular routine of that since I took office. And you'll be aware that, collaboratively\u2014and I'm glad that this has been done in this way because I think if you do it this way, we're more likely to get some success and change\u2014Universities Wales and HEFCW have worked together to undertake an independent review of governance. And I think it's really important that parties have come together to recognise the issues and to agree to take action, because I think if we'd have tried to impose something, we'd have more resistance. So, there is an independent review going on at the moment\u2014", "Dawn Bowden AM : Is that the risk review process in\u2014?", "Kirsty Williams AM : That's the Gillian Camm review. This is a review that, as I said, Universities Wales and HEFCW have agreed to do together. It's chaired by Gillian Camm, who is the chair of the Leadership Foundation for Higher Education, and she is doing an independent review to advise on changes to governance. And I welcome that, I'm very supportive of that, and that's happening at the moment. As I said, I'm glad that there's been recognition from within the sector themselves that they need to make sure, and they need to give confidence, that governance arrangements are what they should be.", "Dawn Bowden AM : So, is that something that you're going to be taking into the PCET Bill, do you think?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, absolutely. We're exploring how the Bill could introduce a regulatory condition in respect of good governance, and a commission would be able to set expectations with regard to good governance. I think one of the concerns for me\u2014and I know that this is a concern that is shared by the UCU\u2014is the diversity of governance and who finds themselves in these really important positions. HEFCW don't hold figures on it, but from an approximation that I've asked officials to do for me, currently in the universities that we have, I would say that men make up around 56 per cent of membership of universities' governing bodies; women\u201444 per cent; BME\u2014as low as 4 per cent. Of course, in individual institutions, it does vary, but I think there is some way to go to making sure that our governing bodies are diverse and that there's an opportunity to look at the student voice in governance going forward, the staff voice in governance going forward, and these are things that we hope to have discussions on whilst we bring the legislation forward.", "Dawn Bowden AM : But also, I guess\u2014sorry, Chair\u2014a greater understanding, that anybody going in to become a governor of one of these institutions has a greater understanding of what is expected of them. Do you think that that's a gap that needs to be plugged?", "Huw Morris : One of the things that HEFCW have led on with AdvanceHE, the body that encompasses the leadership foundation, is a development programme for governing bodies, and that started earlier\u2014well, it's been going on for some time, but it was recommenced earlier this year, with a session for all of the chairs of universities in Wales. And I believe\u2014I'll need to check this\u2014that there are plans to engage with each of the governing bodies, because, as you rightly say, and this lies behind a lot of what we've been discussing, the activities of these institutions have become much more complex over recent years, and so there is a need for that training and development and understanding also of the fast-changing nature of that activity.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, just before we move on, can I ask whether it's your plan to legislate on that, as they've done in Scotland?", "Kirsty Williams AM : As I said, I don't want to pre-empt scrutiny of the Bill, because we need to be able to come to the committee and do that in the entirety, rather than picking off individual bits of it, but we are absolutely exploring how the Bill could introduce a regulatory condition with regard to governance." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 60, "turns": [ 295, 326 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leadership", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that didn't comment on leadership, and in teamwork everybody worked pretty well together, and they did very well with the whiteboard and digital pens, and new ideas were found, with new approaches, and said that they were happy.", "title": "Project Manager Talking about Leadership", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leadership", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager didn't comment on leadership, and in teamwork, everybody worked well, then said that they coped with the whiteboard and digital pens, and that results spoke by themselves.", "title": "Project Manager Talking about Leadership", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : I mean I think we worked well together", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : and you know , seemed to discuss things pretty well", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : and come to group consensus and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well that's right , I mean th this this slide here I mean the satisfaction with uh room for creativity , I mean", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Yeah , definitely .", "Project Manager : I think we've allowed ourselves uh as much creativity as the uh the the the product uh allows .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um I won't comment on leadership , uh teamwork I think we've uh {disfmarker} I think everybody's uh worked pretty well together .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um we've just about coped with the whiteboard and digital pens , uh I think the results speak for itself", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : and new ideas found , um , again gi no given relatively everyday product , I think we've v very uh very effectively come up with a a new uh", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : uh a new approach . Um are the costs within budget ? Yes . Is the project evaluated ? We're we're all happy that it it meets all the criteria , um", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : Thank you very much indeed , I think that {disfmarker} I think that's uh {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Cool , thank you {vocalsound} ,", "User Interface : Alright .", "Project Manager : I think we can go f for an early bath .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So I call the meeting closed .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Not sure how far ahead of schedule we were there ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 733, 974 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bigger difference", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "There was a bigger difference in the scaling range between males and females, and what they were using before was scaling factor from the SRI front-end, and that just worked fine, but now when they looked over a large range it wasn't so fine.", "title": "Professor D Talking About a Bigger Difference Between Males and Females", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bigger difference", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D said that between males and females, there was certainly a bigger difference in the scaling range, than there was say, just within males. They were using scaling factors that were just from the SRI front-end, and that worked fine, but now that they were looking over a longer range it wasn't so fine.", "title": "Professor D Talking About a Bigger Difference Between Males and Females", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "PhD I , Professor D" }, "summary": "PhD I said that the vocal tract length normalization didn't make things worse, so something was wrong. Professor D said that for making things worse, a possible partial cause was a different feature set.", "title": "PhD I and Professor D Talking About Making Things Worse", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 50 ], [ 175, 177 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "PhD I , Professor D" }, "summary": "PhD I said that the vocal tract length normalization didn't make things worse, plus something was seriously wrong. Professor D said if the boot models are recurring, it would make things worse. Another possible partial cause was that the boot models used a different feature set.", "title": "PhD I and Professor D Talking About Making Things Worse", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 50 ], [ 175, 177 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "development set", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that they reached a point where the male portion of one of the development sets, the error rate with some features was identical with SRI feature which was MFCC.", "title": "PhD I talking About Development Sets", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "development set", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that they reached a point where the male portion of one of the development sets, the male error rate with ICSI PLP features was identical with SRI feature which was MFCC, but there was three percent difference for females.", "title": "PhD I talking About Development Sets", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "tandem features", "speaker": "PhD I , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B said that it increased the error rate successfully. PhD I asked if PhD B was using tandem features, and PhD B said yes.", "title": "PhD B and PhD I Talking about Tandem Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "tandem features", "speaker": "PhD I , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B updated that it increased the error rate successfully, with Gaussians. PhD I asked if PhD B was using tandem features, and PhD B said yes, used tandem features.", "title": "PhD B and PhD I Talking about Tandem Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "iterative", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "PhD G wondered if they had any indication of standard features. Professor D asked a more basic question, if that was iterative Baum-Welch training, or it was Viterbi training, and how did they determine when to stop iterating.", "title": "Professor D Talking About Iterative Training", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 87 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "iterative", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "PhD G; wondering; have any indication of your standard features; Professor D; ask a more basic question; iterative, Baum-Welch training; or; Viterbi training; determine when to stop iterating.", "title": "Professor D Talking About Iterative Training", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 87 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "systems", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that the one thing that tried was to put the low-pass filter, so most Hub-five systems limited the band to thirty hundred hertz. After that, it couldn't be just the VTL, because if you didn't do it in both systems, the females were considerably worse with PLP features.", "title": "PhD I Talking About Systems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 59 ], [ 67, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "systems", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I; one thing that; tried; put in the low-pass filter; most Hub-five systems; band-limit; about; thirty - seven hundred; hertz;t can't be just the VTL; if you don't do VTL in both systems; the females are considerably worse; with the PLP features.", "title": "PhD I Talking About Systems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 59 ], [ 67, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "test data", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that the test data was CallHome and Switchboard so the vocal tract length normalization didn't worsen things, then the right channel got to thousands, and that helped a little bit, while it didn't hurt on the males either, so, they could do vocal tract length normalization on the test data or the test.", "title": "PhD I Talking About Test Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 48, 52 ], [ 57, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "test data", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I; test data is CallHome and Switchboard; length normalization; didn't actually make things worse; channel goes to four thousand; didn't hurt on the males; length normalization on the test data only or on both the training and the test.", "title": "PhD I Dissertation About Test Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 48, 52 ], [ 57, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "front-end", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said that there was a difference, so for the PLP features they used triangular filter shapes, and for the SRI front-end they used the trapezoidal one, that experimented on the SRI front-end, then used the filters, and they could make it so it continuously varied between the two, and triangular filters were worse.", "title": "PhD I Talking About Test on Front-End", "relevant_turns": [ [ 139, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "front-end", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I said for SRI front-end they used trapezoidal filter, top frequency was thirty to seven hundred and sixty hertz.", "title": "PhD I and the Front-End Filter and Frequency", "relevant_turns": [ [ 139, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "factors", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D said that between males and females there was a difference in scaling range, and that what they were using before were scaling factors from the SRI front-end, and worked fine. After that Professor D asked PhD I how they determined the fudge factors.", "title": "Professor D Discussion About Factors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 54 ], [ 101, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "factors", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D; between the males and the female; certainly a much bigger difference; scaling range; just within the males; using before; scaling factors; from the; SRI front-end. And that worked; looking over a large range; may not be so fine; Professor D; how; determine; the usual fudge factors; language; scaling , acoustic scaling.", "title": "Professor D Thoughts About Factors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 54 ], [ 101, 109 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD I : SRI recognition ? Oh .", "Grad F : That wasn't me .", "Professor D : Uh .", "PhD I : Um . well ,", "Professor D : Who 's that ?", "PhD I : we have lots of them . Uh , I dunno . Chuck , do you have any {disfmarker} any updates ?", "PhD B : N I 'm successfully , uh , increasing the error rate . Uh {disfmarker}", "Grad F : That 's good .", "Grad H : Mmm .", "PhD I : Oh .", "PhD G : Lift the Herve approach .", "PhD B : Yeah . So , I mean I 'm just playing with , um , the number of Gaussians that we use in the {disfmarker} the recognizer , and {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Well , you have to sa you have to {pause} tell people that you 're {disfmarker} you 're doing {disfmarker} you 're trying the tandem features .", "PhD B : Yes , I 'm using tandem features .", "Grad F : Oh you are ?", "PhD B : And {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Cool .", "PhD I : A and I 'm still tinkering with the PLP features .", "Grad F :", "Professor D : Yeah , I got confused by the results . It sai because {disfmarker} uh , the {pause} meeting before , {vocalsound} you said \" OK , we got it down to where they 're {disfmarker} they 're within a tenth of a percent \" .", "PhD B : That was on males .", "PhD I : Right . That was {disfmarker} that was before I tried it on the females .", "Professor D : Oh .", "PhD I : See , women are nothi are , trouble .", "Professor D : It 's the women are the problem . OK .", "PhD I : Right ? As we all know . So .", "PhD G : Well , let 's just say that men are simple .", "PhD I : So {disfmarker} {comment} so , when {disfmarker} So I {disfmarker} I had {disfmarker} I ha", "Grad F : That was a quick response .", "PhD I : So , we had reached the point where {disfmarker}", "PhD G : I 'm well rehearsed .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : we had reached the point where , {comment} um , on the male portion of the {pause} development set , the , um {disfmarker} or one of the development sets , I should say {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , um {disfmarker} the male error rate with , uh , ICSI PLP features was pretty much identical with , uh , SRI features . which are {pause} MFCC . So , um , then I thought , \" Oh , great . I 'll j I 'll {disfmarker} just let 's make sure everything works on the females . \" And the error rate {disfmarker} you know , there was a three percent difference .", "Professor D : Oh . Uh - huh .", "PhD I : So ,", "PhD G : Is there less training data ?", "PhD I : uh {disfmarker}", "PhD G : I mean , we don", "PhD I : No , actually there 's more training data .", "PhD G : This is on just digits ?", "Professor D : No .", "PhD I : No , no .", "Grad F : No .", "PhD B : Hub - five .", "Grad F : It 's , uh , Swi", "PhD G : Oh , sorry . OK . This is on {disfmarker}", "PhD I : This is Hub - five .", "PhD G : Oh , OK .", "Grad F : Hub - five . Yeah .", "PhD I : Yeah . Um , and the test data is CallHome and Switchboard . So , uh {disfmarker} so then {pause} um {disfmarker} Oh , and plus the {disfmarker} the vocal tract {pause} length normalization didn't {disfmarker} actually made things worse . So something 's really seriously wrong . So {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Aha ! OK .", "PhD I : So {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}", "Professor D : So {disfmarker} but you see , now , between {disfmarker} between the males and the females , there 's certainly a much bigger difference in the scaling range , than there is , say , just within the males . And what you were using before was scaling factors that were just from the {disfmarker} the m the {pause} SRI front - end . And that worked {disfmarker} that worked fine .", "PhD I : That 's true . Yeah .", "Professor D : Uh , but now you 're looking over a larger range and it may not be so fine .", "PhD I : Well , um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} d so the one thing that I then tried was to put in the low - pass filter , which we have in the {disfmarker} So , most {disfmarker} most Hub - five systems actually band - limit the {disfmarker} uh , at about , uh , thirty - seven hundred , um , hertz .", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "PhD I : Although , you know , normally , I mean , the channel goes to four {disfmarker} four thousand . Right ? So , um {disfmarker} And that actually helped , uh {disfmarker} uh , a little bit .", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "PhD I : Um {pause} and it didn't hurt on the males either . So , um {disfmarker} And I 'm now , uh , trying the {disfmarker} Oh , and suddenly , also the v the vocal tract length normalization only in the test se on the test data . So , you can do vocal tract length normalization on the test data only or on both the training and the test .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : And you expect it to help a little bit if you do it only on the test , and s more if you do it on both training and test .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : And so the {disfmarker} It now helps , if you do it only on the test , and I 'm currently retraining another set of models where it 's both in the training and the test , and then we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll have , hopefully , even better results . So {disfmarker} But there 's {disfmarker} It looks like there will still be some difference , maybe between one and two percent , um , for the females .", "Professor D : Huh .", "PhD I : And so , um , you know , I 'm open to suggestions .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD I : And it is true that the , uh {disfmarker} that the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , we are using the {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} it can't be just the VTL ,", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "PhD I : because if you don't do VTL in both systems , uh , you know , the {disfmarker} the females are considerably worse in the {disfmarker} with the PLP features .", "Professor D : No {disfmarker} no . I {disfmarker} I remember that .", "Grad F : It 's much worse . Yeah .", "PhD I : So there must be some {disfmarker} something else going on .", "PhD G : Well , what 's the standard {disfmarker} ? Yeah , so I thought the performance was actually a little better on females than males .", "Grad F : That 's what I thought , too .", "PhD I : Um , {pause} that {pause} ye {comment} overall , yes , but on this particular development test set , they 're actually a little worse . But that 's beside the point . We 're looking at the discrepancy between the SRI system and the SRI system when trained with ICSI features .", "PhD G : Right . I 'm just wondering if that {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you have any indication of your standard features ,", "Grad F : What 's {disfmarker} Are the freq ?", "PhD G : you know , if that 's also different {pause} or in the same direction or not .", "Professor D : You 're {disfmarker} This is {disfmarker} lemme ask a q more basic que", "PhD G : Cuz {disfmarker}", "Professor D : I mean , is this , uh {disfmarker} uh , iterative , Baum - Welch training ?", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : Or is it Viterbi training ? Or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD I : It 's Baum - Welch training .", "Professor D : Baum - Welch training . And how do you determine when to {disfmarker} to stop iterating ?", "PhD I : Um {disfmarker} Well , actually , we {disfmarker} we just basically do a s a fixed number of iterations .", "Grad F : Hmm .", "PhD I : Uh , in this case four . Um , which {disfmarker} Eh , we used to do only three , and then we found out we can squeeze {disfmarker} And it was basically , we 're s we 're keeping it on the safe side . But you 're d Right . It might be that one more iteration {vocalsound} would {disfmarker} would help , but it 's sort of", "Professor D : Or maybe {disfmarker} or maybe you 're doing one too many .", "PhD I : you know .", "Professor D : I mean it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD I : No , but with Baum - Welch , there shouldn't be an over - fitting issue , really .", "Professor D : Uh . {comment} Well , there can be . Sure .", "Grad F : Well , you can try each one on a cross - validation set ,", "PhD I : Um .", "Professor D : It d if you {disfmarker} if you remember some years ago Bill Byrne did a thing where he was {disfmarker} he was looking at that ,", "Grad F : can't you ?", "Professor D : and he showed that you could get it .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Professor D : So . But {disfmarker} {comment} but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but , um {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Well , yeah . We can {disfmarker} Well , that 's {disfmarker} that 's the easy one to check ,", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : because we save all the intermediate models", "Grad F : Do you {disfmarker} ?", "PhD I : and we can {disfmarker}", "Professor D : And in each case , ho", "Grad F : What {disfmarker} ?", "Professor D : um , I 'm sorry {disfmarker} in each case how do you determine , you know , the {disfmarker} the usual {pause} fudge factors ? The , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the , uh , language , uh , scaling , acoustic scaling , uh , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Um {pause} I uh {disfmarker} {comment} I 'm actually re - optimizing them . Although that hasn't shown to make {pause} a big difference .", "Professor D : OK . And the pru the question he was asking at one point about pruning , uh {disfmarker} Remember that one ?", "PhD I : Pruning {disfmarker} ?", "Professor D : Well , he was {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} it looked like the probabil at one point he was looking at the probabilities he was getting out {disfmarker} at the likelihoods he was getting out of PLP versus mel cepstrum , and they looked pretty different ,", "PhD I : Pruning in the {disfmarker} ?", "PhD B : Yeah , the likelihoods were {pause} lower for the PLP .", "Professor D : as I recall .", "PhD G : Oh .", "Professor D : And so , uh , there 's the question {disfmarker}", "PhD I : I you mean {disfmarker} did you see this in the SRI system ?", "PhD B : Mm - hmm . Was just looking through the log files ,", "PhD I : Um . Well , the likelihoods are {disfmarker}", "PhD B : and {disfmarker}", "PhD I : You can't directly compare them , because , for every set of models you compute a new normalization . And so these log probabilities , they aren't directly comparable", "PhD B : Oh .", "PhD I : because you have a different normalization constants for each model you train .", "PhD B : Hmm .", "Professor D : But , still it 's a question {disfmarker}", "PhD I : So {disfmarker}", "Professor D : if you have some threshold somewhere in terms of beam search or something ,", "PhD B : Well , yeah . That 's what I was wondering .", "Professor D : or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD I : W yeah . I mean {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD B : I mean , if you have one threshold that works well because the range of your likelihoods is in this area {disfmarker}", "PhD I : We prune very conservatively . I mean , as we saw with the meeting data , um {pause} we could probably tighten the pruning without really {disfmarker} So we we basically we have a very open beam .", "Professor D : But , you 're only talking about a percent or two .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Professor D : Right ? Here we 're - we 're saying that we there {disfmarker} gee , there 's this b eh , there 's this difference here . And {pause} it {disfmarker} See cuz , i i {comment} there could be lots of things . Right ? But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , um , let 's suppose just for a second that , uh , we 've sort of taken out a lot of the {disfmarker} the major differences , uh , between the two .", "PhD I : Right . Course . Mm - hmm . Right .", "Professor D : I mean , we 're already sort of using the mel scale and we 're using the same style filter integration , and {vocalsound} and , well , we 're making sure that low and high {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Actually , there is {disfmarker} the difference in that . So , for the PLP features we use the triangular filter shapes . And for the {disfmarker} in the SRI front - end we use the trapezoidal one .", "Grad F : And what 's the top frequency of each ?", "PhD I : Well , now it 's the same . It 's thirty {disfmarker} thirty to seven hundred and sixty hertz .", "Grad F : Yeah . Exp - one 's triangular , one 's trapezoidal . So {disfmarker}", "PhD I : No , no . But {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Before we {disfmarker} i i th with straight PLP , it 's trapezoidal also .", "PhD I : Well {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}", "Professor D : But then we had a slight difference in the {disfmarker} in the scale . Uh , so .", "PhD I : Since currently the Feacalc program doesn't allow me to change {pause} the filter shape independently of the scale .", "Grad F : Uh - huh .", "PhD I : And , I did the experiment on the SRI front - end where I tried the {disfmarker} y where the standard used to be to use trapezoidal filters . You can actually continuously vary it between the two . And so I wen I swi I tried the trap eh , triangular ones . And it did slightly worse , but it 's really a small difference .", "Grad F : Hmm .", "Professor D : Coup - Couple tenths of a percent or something .", "PhD I : So {disfmarker}", "Grad F : OK .", "Professor D : Right .", "Grad F : So it 's not just losing some {vocalsound} frequency range .", "PhD I : Yeah , exactly . So , it 's not {disfmarker} I don't think the filter shape by itself will make a huge {comment} difference .", "Professor D : Yeah . Right . So the oth {vocalsound} the other thing that {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yeah .", "Professor D : So , f i We 've always viewed it , anyway , as the major difference between the two , is actually in the smoothing , that the {disfmarker} that the , um , {vocalsound} PLP , and {disfmarker} and the reason PLP has been advantageous in , uh , slightly noisy situations is because , {vocalsound} PLP does the smoothing at the end by an auto - regressive model ,", "PhD I : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : and mel cepstrum does it by just computing the lower cepstral coefficients .", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : Um . So , um {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .", "PhD I : OK . So {pause} one thing I haven't done yet is to actually do all of this with a much larger {disfmarker} with our full training set . So right now , we 're using a {disfmarker} I don't know , forty ? I i it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} eh {comment} it 's a f training set that 's about , um , you know , by a factor of four smaller than what we use when we train the full system . So , some of these smoothing issues are over - fitting for that matter .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD I : And the Baum - Welch should be much less of a factor , if you go full {disfmarker} whole hog .", "Professor D : Could be . Yeah .", "PhD I : And so , w so , just um {disfmarker} so the strategy is to first sort of treat things {pause} with fast turn - around on a smaller training set and then , {vocalsound} when you 've sort of , narrowed it down , you try it on a larger training set .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : And so , we haven't done that yet .", "Professor D : Now the other que related question , though , is {disfmarker} is , {vocalsound} uh , what 's the boot models for these things ?", "PhD I : Th - th the boot models are trained from scratch . So we compute , um {disfmarker} So , we start with a , um , alil alignment that we computed with the b sort of the best system we have . And {disfmarker} and then we train from scratch . So we com we do a , you know , w um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We collect the {disfmarker} uh , the observations from those alignments under each of the feature sets that {disfmarker} that we {pause} train . And then , from there we do , um {disfmarker} There 's a lot of , actually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The way it works , you first train a phonetically - tied mixture model . Um . You do a total of {disfmarker} First you do a context - independent PTM model . Then you switch to a context {disfmarker} You do two iterations of that . Then you do two iterations of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of context - dependent phonetically - tied mixtures . And then from that you {disfmarker} you do the {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you go to a state - clustered model ,", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : and you do four iterations of that . So there 's a lot of iterations overall between your original boot models and the final models . I don't think that {disfmarker} Hmm . We have never seen big differences . Once I thought \" oh , I can {disfmarker} Now I have these much better models . I 'll re - generate my initial alignments . Then I 'll get much better models at the end . \" Made no difference whatsoever . It 's {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} eh , i", "Professor D : Right . Well , mis for making things better .", "PhD I : the boot models are recur", "Professor D : Yeah . But , this for making things worse . This it migh Th - the thought is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is possible {disfmarker} another possible {pause} partial cause is if the boot models {vocalsound} used a comple used a different feature set , that {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . But there are no boot models , in fact . You {disfmarker} you 're not booting from initial models . You 're booting from initial alignments .", "Professor D : Which you got from a different feature set .", "PhD I : That 's correct .", "Professor D : So , those features look at the data differently , actually .", "PhD I : Yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Professor D : I mean , you know , they {disfmarker} they will find boundaries a little differently , though {disfmarker} You know , all th all that sort of thing is actually slightly different . I 'd expect it to be a minor effect ,", "PhD I : But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but , what I 'm {disfmarker} what I 'm saying is {disfmarker}", "Professor D : but {disfmarker}", "PhD I : So , we e w f w For a long time we had used boot alignments that had been trained with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with the same front - end but with acoustic models that were , like , fifteen percent worse than what we use now .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD I : And with a dict different dictionary {disfmarker} with a considerably different dictionary , which was much less detailed and much less well - suited .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "PhD I : And so , {vocalsound} then we switched to new boot alignments , which {disfmarker} which now had the benefit of all these improvements that we 've made over two years in the system .", "Professor D : Right .", "PhD I : And , the result in the end was no different .", "Professor D : Right .", "PhD I : So , what I 'm saying is , the exact nature of these boot alignments is probably not {pause} a big factor in the quality of the final models .", "Professor D : Yeah , maybe not . But {pause} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} I st still see it as {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} there 's {disfmarker} there 's a history to this , too ,", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Professor D : but I {disfmarker} uh , I don't wanna go into ,", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : but {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I th I think it could be the things {pause} that it {disfmarker} the data is being viewed in a certain way , uh , that a beginning is here rather than there and so forth ,", "PhD I : Yeah . Right .", "Professor D : because the actual signal - processing you 're doing is slightly different .", "PhD I : Right .", "Professor D : But , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} that 's probably not it .", "PhD I : Yeah . Anyway , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I should really reserve , uh , any conclusions until we 've done it on the large training set , um , and until we 've seen the results with the {disfmarker} with the VTL in training .", "Professor D : Yeah . At some point you also might wanna take the same thing and try it on , uh , some Broadcast News data or something else that actually has {disfmarker} has some noisy {disfmarker} {vocalsound} noisy components , so we can see if any conclusions we come to holds {vocalsound} across {pause} different data .", "PhD I : So . Yeah . Right .", "Professor D : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD I : And , uh , with this , I have to leave .", "Professor D : OK .", "Grad H : Hmm !", "Professor D : So , is there something quick about Absinthe {pause} that you {disfmarker} ?", "PhD I : With this said .", "Grad F : Uh . Just what we were talking about before , which is that I ported a Blass library to Absinthe , and then got {disfmarker} got it working with fast - forward , and got {vocalsound} {vocalsound} a speedup roughly proportional to the number of processors times the clock cycle .", "PhD I : Oh .", "Grad F : So , that 's pretty good .", "PhD I : Oh ! Cool .", "Grad F : Um , I 'm in the process of doing it for Quicknet , but there 's something going wrong and it 's about half the speed that I was estimating it should be , and I 'm not sure why .", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : But I 'll keep working on it . But the {disfmarker} what it means is that it 's likely that for net training and forward passes , we 'll {disfmarker} Absinthe will be a good machine . Especially if we get a few more processors and upgrade the processors .", "PhD I : A few more processors ? How many are you shooting for ?", "Grad F : There 're five now . It can hold eight .", "PhD I : Oh , OK .", "Professor D : Yeah , we 'll just go buy them , I guess .", "Grad F : And it 's also five - fifty megahertz and you can get a gigahertz .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Grad F : So .", "PhD I : Can you mix {pause} t uh , processors of different speed ?", "Grad F : I don't think so . I think we 'd have to do all {disfmarker}", "PhD I : OK .", "Professor D : Probably just throw away the old ones , and {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yep .", "Professor D : Thank you {pause} for the box ,", "PhD I : Oh , OK .", "Professor D : and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'll just go buy their process .", "Grad H : Hmm !", "PhD I : Maybe we can stick them in another system . I dunno .", "Grad F : We 'd have to get a {disfmarker} almost certainly have to get a , uh , Netfinity server .", "PhD I : I see .", "Grad F : They 're pretty {disfmarker} pretty specialized .", "Professor D : Yeah . OK .", "PhD I : OK ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 114, 118 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "TNE Risks , Welsh Institutions", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM informed that based on her contacts and visits overseas, the Welsh Educational Sector was highly appreciated and benefited from an excellent reputation. Kirsty Williams AM pointed the need to be careful with the TNE activities undertaken by Welsh institutions. Although TNE would present opportunities, if not used wisely and with the proper supervision, it could impact negatively the strong reputation of the whole sector.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM Alerts to the Possible TNE Risks to the Welsh Institutions", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "TNE Risks , Welsh Institutions", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM informed that based on her contacts and visits overseas, the Welsh Educational Sector was highly appreciated and benefited from an excellent reputation thanks to fantastic quality of teaching, excellence in research and a wonderful student experience. Kirsty Williams AM pointed the need to be careful with the TNE activities undertaken by Welsh institutions which could cause real risks to reputation to the sector.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM Alerts to the Possible TNE Risks to the Welsh Institutions", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] } ], "source": [ "Sian Gwenllian AM : And finally, therefore, looking at overseas providers. Currently, of course, universities can award their degrees to students being taught by providers overseas. We know this created problems for the University of Wales in 2011. They faced a scandal; that's probably the best word to use there. Will the new Bill address these issues?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, certainly transnational education does present real opportunities for Welsh institutions, but if not managed appropriately and regulated appropriately can cause real risks to reputation to our sector. When I meet with vice-chancellors in universities in different parts of the world, and when I am visiting different countries, one of the great things that I'm able to say is that we have a sector that provides fantastic quality of teaching, excellence in research and a wonderful student experience, and that is undermined if institutions find themselves undertaking TNE activities that put that at risk. So, it's an important consideration for the health of the whole sector that any TNE undertaken by a Welsh institution has the appropriate quality guarantees built into that because it's a problem not just for an individual institution, but it could undermine the very strong reputation that the Welsh sector has as a whole. Huw, was there anything further about TNE?", "Huw Morris : Well, just to say that we are live to that, as I know HEFCW and the QAA are. We've had conversations with both in the recent past. There is quality assurance of offshore activity through the QAA. When they visit institutions with their reviews they will look at a selection of those overseas activities and there are periodic thematic reviews of the activity in particular countries. I think we would hope and believe that HEFCW, in its conversations with the QAA, would be keeping that under review to minimise the risk and maximise the opportunities.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, you're not actually looking to use the new legislation to strengthen the regulation around this.", "Huw Morris : The arrangements at the moment are that HEFCW uses the QAA to do the reviews and the inspections. I don't think we're currently looking to mandate the detail of how that should happen. The system at the moment works through co-operation between the institutions and the regulator to make sure the quality assurance system is improving and enhancing things. I think we would look to that as a primary mechanism." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 8, "turns": [ 4, 16 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "petitions", "speaker": "The Chair , Ms. Elizabeth May ( SaanichGulf Islands , GP )" }, "summary": "The Chair requested presentation of petitions. Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP) raised two petitions that aimed at protecting the natural world.", "title": "Raising of Petitions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "petitions", "speaker": "The Chair , Ms. Elizabeth May ( SaanichGulf Islands , GP )" }, "summary": "The Chair said petitions presented a special committee meeting that needed the clerk of petitions certification. Ms.Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP) presented two petitions, one was an e-petition related to a class of pesticides known as neonicotinoids as being a threat to pollinators globally. The second petition was on the ongoing threat to the southern residential killer whales.", "title": "Petition to Protect Natural World", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "members", "speaker": "Mr. Garnett Genuis ( Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan , CPC )" }, "summary": "Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC) said members of Parliament had been trying to pass legislation that would deal with forced organ harvesting and trafficking. Bills had been proposed towards these horrific practices.", "title": "Organ Harvesting and Trafficking", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "members", "speaker": "Mr. Garnett Genuis ( Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan , CPC )" }, "summary": "Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC); Mr. Chair, members of Parliament from various parties have been trying to pass legislation to deal with forced organ harvesting and trafficking. The petitioners wanted the House to support Bill S-204.", "title": "Petitioners' Request", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] } ], "source": [ "The Chair : Now we'll go to presenting petitions. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during the meeting of a special committee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. Members who are participating in the meeting in person are kindly asked to bring the signed certificate to the office once the petition has been presented. Presenting petitions, Ms. May.", "Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP) : Mr. Chair, I rise to present two petitions. They both pertain to the protection of our natural world. One is an e-petition, and it relates to the threat to pollinators globally. We know that honey bees and other pollinators are essential to food production. The petitioners note that research from around the world points to a threat to pollinators, particularly from a class of pesticides known as neonicotinoids. The European Union has taken action on this. The petitioners call on the Government of Canada to practise a precautionary principle and remove from use neonicotinoids in Canada to protect our pollinators. The second petition relates to the ongoing threat to the southern resident killer whales. These iconic whales are much beloved in SaanichGulf Islands, throughout coastal British Columbia and indeed across Canada. The petitioners are calling for more action to be taken as the population of southern resident killer whales continues to decline, more action for boat-free safety zones, more prohibitions around whale tourism to make sure that the whales are safe from those who are keen to watch them from too close a distance, and more of a credible enforcement regime to support these measures to keep the southern resident killer whale population in our waters and not on the list of species that have become extinct.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Mr. Genuis.", "Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC) : Mr. Chair, for over 10 years, members of Parliament from various parties have been trying to pass legislation to deal with the horrific practice of forced organ harvesting and trafficking. Irwin Cotler, Borys Wrzesnewskyj, Senator Salma Ataullahjan and I have all proposed bills on this. The petitioners want the House to support Bill S-204. This is another bill that would make it a criminal offence for someone to go abroad and receive an organ for which there has not been consent. I'm sure petitioners would want me to add that, given the urgency of this issue, perhaps the government could consider bringing forward a government bill on this issue, which would allow the process to move much faster.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Mr. Cannings.", "Mr. Richard Cannings (South OkanaganWest Kootenay, NDP) : Mr. Chair, I rise here today to present a petition from Canadian citizens in support of motion M-1, which was placed in this House by my colleague the member for New WestminsterBurnaby on the green new deal. These citizens point out that climate change has escalated into a global climate emergency and that Canada must act with ambition and urgency. They call on the government to support M-1, a made in Canada green new deal, to take bold and rapid action to adopt socially equitable climate action to tackle the climate emergency and address worsening socio-economic and racial inequalities at the same time while ending fossil fuel subsidies, closing offshore tax havens, and supporting workers impacted by the transition by creating well-paying, unionized jobs in the shift to a clean and renewable energy economy.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Mr. Johns.", "Mr. Gord Johns (CourtenayAlberni, NDP) : Mr. Chair, it's an honour and privilege to table e-petition 2577, which was sponsored by Chris Alemany from Port Alberni and is supported by 5,183 petitioners. They're calling on the Government of Canada to work urgently across party lines and in partnership with provincial and territorial governments to implement a guaranteed, consistent, national and livable universal basic income system for all Canadians. The petition is very timely, coming almost one year to the day since the completion of the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, which also called on the government to establish a guaranteed annual livable income for all Canadians. Whether it's about providing a safety net to get through a global pandemic, the means to keep your children out of poverty at any time, or simply being able to afford safe housing or transportation, it's time for Canada to have this conversation.", "The Chair : We'll now go to Mr. Manly.", "Mr. Paul Manly (NanaimoLadysmith, GP) : Mr. Chair, it's an honour and a privilege to present a petition on behalf of the constituents of NanaimoLadysmith. People are concerned about gas fracking and the use of methane and the destruction that methane causes to our atmosphere and with climate change. They're calling on the government to commit to upholding the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's calls to action by immediately halting all existing and planned construction of the Coastal GasLink project on the Wet'suwet'en territory, and by ordering the RCMP to dismantle their exclusion zone and to stand down. They also call on the government to schedule nation-to-nation talks between the Wet'suwet'en nation and the federal and provincial governmentswhich is something that we're happy to see has been happening and I commend the government for that effortand to prioritize the implementation of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.", "The Chair : Next is Mr. Lamoureux.", "Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North, Lib.) : Mr. Chair, like Canada, Guyana is part of the Commonwealth, and many constituents of Winnipeg North have raised the issue with regard to the presidential election back in March, when it was being called into question. There have been some very positive indications in recent days, but the petitioners are asking the Government of Canada, and in fact all members of Parliament, to be aware of what's taking place in Guyana, and as much as possible, to be advocates for democracy and make sure that we're being diligent in supporting what the people of Guyana want to see.", "The Chair : I just want to remind the honourable members, when presenting petitions, to be as concise as possible. I notice they're starting to stretch a bit and it's something we all tend to do. Now we'll go to Statements by Members. The first statement will be from Mr. Lefebvre." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 87, "turns": [ 742, 893 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "audio pixelization", "speaker": "Professor D , PhD C , Grad H" }, "summary": "Professor D said that the attendees had the opportunity to request audio pixelation of their selected portion of the speech. PhD C asked the meaning of audio pixelization, Grad H said it was beeping out parts that people didn't want to be included in the meeting.", "title": "The Process of Audio Pixelization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], [ 23, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "audio pixelization", "speaker": "Professor D , PhD C , Grad H" }, "summary": "Professor D said that the meeting participants had a chance to request audio pixelization of selected parts of their speech that the audio pixelization software had written and tested. PhD C asked what", "title": "The Process of Audio Pixelization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], [ 23, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ibm", "speaker": "Professor D , Grad H" }, "summary": "Professor D said that in the last three months they did a couple of things including in no particular order that ten more hours of meetings were recorded from three months ago and the XML formats and other transcription aspects were sorted out and sent to IBM, the pilot data was put together and sent to IBM for transcription and the next batch of recorded data was put together on the CD-ROMs for shipment to IBM. Grad H said they haven't been sent yet but it was getting ready.", "title": "Breakdown of Tasks Completed", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ibm", "speaker": "Professor D , Grad H" }, "summary": "Professor D said the next batch of recorded data was already put together on the CD-ROMs for shipment to IBM. Grad H said they haven't been sent yet but it was getting ready.", "title": "Breakdown of Tasks Completed", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "beep", "speaker": "Grad H , PhD A" }, "summary": "Grad H couldn't decide which was the right way to exercise the transcript between either beep it or it was silent, beep was good auditorily because if someone was listening to it there was no mistake that it had been beeped out but for software, it was probably better for it to be silence. PhD A disagreed and said one could make as long as they kept using the same beep, people could make a model of that beep.", "title": "Application of Beep in Transcripts", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "beep", "speaker": "Grad H , PhD A" }, "summary": "Grad H said beep was good auditorily but for software, it was better for it to be silent. PhD A disagreed and said as long as people kept using the same beep, they could make a model of that beep.", "title": "Application of Beep in Transcripts", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "label", "speaker": "PhD B , Grad H , PhD A , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "PhD B asked just briefly how long it took to label. Grad H said that it was as soon as they got the labels and Postdoc F said that it could work off the other thing and PhD A asked if it was to be hand-labeled first.", "title": "Labeling the Algorithm", "relevant_turns": [ [ 121, 144 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "label", "speaker": "PhD B , Grad H , PhD A , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "PhD B asked just briefly how long it did take to label. Grad H said it was as soon as they got the labels and Postdoc F said since they had the script, it could work off the other thing. PhD A asked if it had to be hand-labeled first and Postdoc F said that once the algorithm was up and running they could do it that way. Grad H added that it worked well enough but now it was not quite to the point where it works.", "title": "Labeling the Algorithm", "relevant_turns": [ [ 121, 144 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time duration", "speaker": "Postdoc F , Grad H" }, "summary": "Postdoc F suggested that it was nice that they should be preserving the time relations and that they should not be doing scissor snips but should instead keep the time duration of the deleted parts. Grad H agreed and said that since they wanted to possibly synchronize the things as well, they should have done that.", "title": "Preservation of Time Durations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 98 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time duration", "speaker": "Postdoc F , Grad H" }, "summary": "Postdoc F suggested it was nice that they were preserving the time relations. Grad H said they should have done that to synchronize the things.", "title": "Preservation of Time Durations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 98 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor D : that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's the one that we videotape . So . Um , I {disfmarker} I wanna move this along . Uh {pause} I did have this other agenda item which is , uh @ @ {disfmarker} it 's uh a list which I sent to uh {disfmarker} a couple folks , but um I wanted to get broader input on it , So this is the things that I think we did {vocalsound} in the last three months obviously not everything we did but {disfmarker} but sort of highlights that I can {disfmarker} {pause} can {pause} tell {pause} s some outside person , you know , what {disfmarker} what were you {pause} actually working on . Um {pause} in no particular order {vocalsound} uh , one , uh , ten more hours of meeting r meetings recorded , something like that , you know from {disfmarker} from , uh {pause} three months ago . Uh {pause} XML formats and other transcription aspects sorted out {pause} and uh {pause} sent to IBM . Um , pilot data put together and sent to IBM for transcription , uh {pause} next batch of recorded data put together on the CD - ROMs for shipment to IBM ,", "Grad H : Hasn't been sent yet , but {disfmarker} It 's getting ready .", "Professor D : But yeah , that 's why I phrased it that way , yeah OK . Um {pause} human subjects approval on campus , uh {pause} and release forms worked out so the meeting participants have a chance to request audio pixelization of selected parts of the spee their speech . Um {vocalsound} audio pixelization software written and tested . Um {pause} {vocalsound} preliminary analysis of overlaps in the pilot data we have transcribed , and exploratory analysis of long - distance inferences for topic coherence , that was {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} {pause} wasn't {pause} sure if those were the right way {disfmarker} {pause} that was the right way to describe that because of that little exercise that {disfmarker} that you {comment} and {disfmarker} and Lokendra did .", "Postdoc F : What was that called ?", "Professor D : I {disfmarker} well , I I 'm probably saying this wrong , but what I said was exploratory analysis of long - distance inferences {vocalsound} for topic coherence .", "Postdoc F : The , uh {pause} say again ?", "Professor D : Something like that . Um {pause} so , uh {pause} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {pause} a lot of that was from , you know , what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what you two were doing so I {disfmarker} I sent it to you , and you know , please mail me , you know , the corrections or suggestions for changing", "Grad H : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : I {disfmarker} I don't want to make this twice it 's length but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but you know , just im improve it . Um Is there anything anybody {disfmarker}", "Grad H : I {disfmarker} I did a bunch of stuff for supporting of digits .", "Professor D : \" Bunch of stuff for s \" OK , maybe {disfmarker} maybe send me a sentence that 's a little thought through about that .", "Grad H : So , {pause} OK , I 'll send you a sentence that doesn't just say \" a bunch of \" ?", "Professor D : \" Bunch of stuff \" , yeah , \" stuff \" is probably bad too ,", "Grad H : Yep . \" Stuff \" {pause} is not very technical .", "Professor D : Yeah , well .", "Grad H : I 'll try to {pause} phrase it in passive voice .", "Professor D : Yeah . Yeah , yeah ,", "PhD A : Technical stuff .", "Professor D : \" range of things \" , yeah . Um {pause} and {disfmarker} and you know , I sort of threw in what you did with what Jane did on {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} under the , uh {pause} uh {vocalsound} preliminary analysis of overlaps . Uh {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} Thilo , can you tell us about all the work you 've done on this project in the last , uh {pause} last three months ?", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD C : So {disfmarker} what is {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} Um . Not really .", "Professor D : That 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : It 's too complicated .", "PhD C : Um , {pause} I didn't get it . Wh - what is \" audio pixelization \" ?", "Professor D : Uh , audio pix wh he did it , so why don't you explain it quickly ?", "Grad H : It 's just , uh {pause} beeping out parts that you don't want included in the meeting so , you know you can say things like , \" Well , this should probably not be on the record , but beep \"", "PhD C : OK , OK . I got that .", "Professor D : Yeah . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we spent a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a fair amount of time early on just talk dealing with this issue about op w e e {vocalsound} we realized , \" well , people are speaking in an impromptu way and they might say something that would embarrass them or others later \" , and , how do you get around that", "PhD C : OK .", "Professor D : so in the consent form it says , well you {disfmarker} we will look at the transcripts later and if there 's something that you 're {pause} unhappy with , yeah .", "PhD C : OK , and you can say {disfmarker} OK .", "Professor D : But you don't want to just totally excise it because um uh , well you have to be careful about excising it , how {disfmarker} how you excise it keeping the timing right and so forth so that at the moment tho th the idea we 're running with is {disfmarker} is h putting the beep over it .", "PhD C : OK .", "Grad H : Yeah , you can either beep or it can be silence . I {disfmarker} I couldn't decide . which was the right way to do it .", "PhD E : Ah , yeah .", "Grad H : Beep is good auditorily ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad H : if someone is listening to it , there 's no mistake that it 's been beeped out ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad H : but for software it 's probably better for it to be silence .", "PhD A : No , no . You can {disfmarker} you know , you could make a m as long as you keep using the same beep , people could make a model of that beep ,", "Postdoc F : Hmm .", "PhD A : and {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : I like that idea .", "Grad H : Yep . And I use {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {pause} it 's an A below middle C beep ,", "PhD B : I think the beep is a really good idea .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : It 's very clear . Then you don't think it 's a long pause .", "PhD B : Also {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah , it 's more obvious that there was something there than if there 's just silence .", "Grad H : so", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah , that {disfmarker} I mean , he 's {disfmarker} he 's removing the old {pause} thing", "PhD E : Yeah", "Professor D : and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}", "Grad H : Yep .", "PhD A : Yea - right . Right . But I mean if you just replaced it with silence , {pause} it 's not clear whether that 's really silence or {disfmarker}", "Grad H : Yeah , it 's not {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah , I agree .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad H : Yep .", "Postdoc F : One {disfmarker} one question . Do you do it on all channels ?", "Grad H : Of course .", "Postdoc F : Interesting . I like that .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah , I like that .", "Grad H : Yeah you have to do it on all channels because it 's , uh {pause} audible .", "Postdoc F : Very clear . Very clear .", "Grad H : Uh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's potentially audible , you could potentially recover it .", "Professor D : Ke - keep a back door .", "Postdoc F : Well , the other thing that {disfmarker} you know , I mean the {disfmarker} the alternative might be to s", "Grad H : Yeah . Well , I {disfmarker} I haven't thrown away any of the meetings that I beeped . Actually yours is the only one that I beeped and then , uh {pause} the ar DARPA meeting .", "PhD B : Notice how quiet I am .", "Grad H : Sorry , and then the DARPA meeting I just excised completely ,", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Grad H : so it 's in a private directory .", "PhD B : You have some people who only have beeps as their speech in these meetings .", "Postdoc F : That 's great . Yeah .", "Professor D : OK .", "PhD A : They 're easy to find , then .", "Professor D : Alright , so , uh {pause} I think we should , uh {pause} uh , go on to the digits ?", "Postdoc F : I have one concept a t I {disfmarker} I want to say , which is that I think it 's nice that you 're preserving the time relations ,", "Grad H : OK .", "Postdoc F : s so you 're {disfmarker} you 're not just cutting {disfmarker} you 're not doing scissor snips . You 're {disfmarker} you 're keeping the , uh {pause} the time duration of a {disfmarker} de - deleted {disfmarker} deleted part .", "Grad H : Right .", "PhD B : Yeah , definitely .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : OK , good , digits .", "Grad H : Yeah , since we wanna {pause} possibly synchronize these things as well . Oh , I should have done that .", "Postdoc F : It 's great .", "Grad H : Shoot . Oh well .", "PhD B : So I guess if there 's an overlap , {pause} like , if I 'm saying something that 's {pause} bleepable and somebody else overlaps during it they also get bleeped , too ?", "Professor D : Yeah . Oh", "Grad H : You 'll lose it . There 's no way around that .", "Professor D : Yeah . Um {pause} I d I did {disfmarker} before we do the digits , I did also wanna remind people , uh {pause} {vocalsound} please do send me , you know , uh thoughts for an agenda ,", "Grad H : Agenda ?", "Professor D : yeah that {disfmarker} that would be that 'd be good .", "Postdoc F : Good .", "Professor D : Eh So that , uh , people 's ideas don't get", "Grad H : Thursday crept up on me this week .", "Professor D : yeah , well it does creep up , doesn't it ?", "PhD B : And , I wanted to say , I think this is really interesting {pause} analysis .", "Professor D : OK .", "Postdoc F : Thank you .", "Grad H : It 's cool stuff , definitely .", "PhD B : I meant to say that before I started off on the {pause} Switchboard stuff .", "Postdoc F : Thank you .", "Grad H : I was gonna say \" can you do that for the other meetings ,", "PhD B : It 's neat .", "Grad H : can you do it for them ? \"", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Grad H : And , no actually , you can't .", "PhD A : Actually {disfmarker} actually I {disfmarker} I thought that 's what you were giving us was another meeting and I was like , \" Oh , OK ! \"", "PhD B : Does it take {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Thank you . Yeah .", "Grad H : \" Ooo , cool ! \"", "Postdoc F : Aw , thanks .", "PhD B : How long does it {pause} take , just briefly , like {pause} t to {disfmarker} {pause} OK . {pause} to label the ,", "Postdoc F : No . I have the script now , so , I mean , it can work off the , uh {pause} other thing ,", "Grad H : It 's {disfmarker} As soon as we get labels , yep .", "PhD B : OK .", "PhD A : But it has to be hand - labeled first ?", "Postdoc F : but {disfmarker} Uh , well , yeah . Because , uh {pause} well , I mean {pause} once his {disfmarker} his algorithm is up and running then we can do it that way .", "Grad H : If it works well enough . Right now it 's not . Not quite to the point where it works .", "PhD B : OK .", "Postdoc F : But {pause} I {disfmarker} I just worked off of my", "PhD B : It 's really neat .", "Professor D : OK , go ahead", "Postdoc F : Thanks . Appreciate that . I think {disfmarker} what I {disfmarker} what this has , uh , caused me {disfmarker} so this discussion caused me to wanna subdivide these further . I 'm gonna take a look at the , uh {pause} backchannels , how much we have anal I hope to have that for next time .", "PhD A : That 'd be interesting .", "Grad H : Yeah , my {disfmarker} my algorithm worked great actually on these , but when you wear it like that or with the uh , lapel {pause} or if you have it very far from your face , that 's when it starts {pause} failing .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . Oh .", "PhD B : Well , I can wear it , I mean if you {disfmarker}", "Grad H : It doesn't matter .", "PhD B : OK .", "Grad H : I mean , we want it to work ,", "PhD A : It 's too late now .", "Grad H : right ? I {disfmarker} I don't want {pause} to change the way we do the meeting .", "PhD B : I feel like this troublemaker .", "Grad H : It 's uh {disfmarker} {pause} so , it was just a comment on the software , not a comment on {vocalsound} prescriptions on how you wear microphones .", "PhD B : OK .", "Professor D : OK , that 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let 's do digits .", "Grad H : Get the bolts , \" whh whh \"", "Postdoc F : Let 's do it . OK .", "Grad H : OK .", "PhD B : I 'm sorry .", "Grad H : OK , thank you .", "Postdoc F : Do you want us to put a mark on the bottom of these when they 've actually been read , or do you just {pause} i i the only one that wasn't read is {disfmarker} is known , so we don't do it . OK ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 34, "turns": [ 42, 101 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing started talking about making a stylish remote, something that didn't look like a remote, Project Manager agreed but wondered if people wouldn't see it as a remote anymore. User Interface commented that it should be comfortable to hold and fit better in a person's hand. Project Manager imagined it to be like a computer mouse or a different shape than the conventional one. Marketing said that from the idea of \u200b\u200bthe mouse, everything could be flat, and the buttons could be very subtle and instead of being lifted off the device, pushed towards the device, but Project Manager thought that was a bad idea because if you were watching TV in a dark room, you needed to be able to easily find the buttons, to which User Interface opined that they could be concave instead of protruding.", "title": "Remote Control Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 48 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing talked about making a fancy remote, something that didn't look like a remote. Project Manager envisioned it as a computer mouse or shaped differently from the conventional one. Marketing said that everything could be flat and the buttons could be very subtle and instead of being lifted off the device, pushed onto the device, but Project Manager thought that was a bad idea because if you were watching TV in a dark room, necessary to be able to easily find the buttons. To which User Interface opined that they could be concave instead of projecting.", "title": "Remote Control Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 48 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "doubts , suggestion , remote control style", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager had doubts, so asked Marketing what particular remote control style features were thinking of. To which Marketing replied that something that didn't look like a remote control. So Project Manager wondered if there was a risk because it didn't look like a remote control that people didn't see as a remote control.", "title": "Doubts About Remote Control Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "doubts , suggestion , remote control style", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "From the answer that Marketing gave about the remote control style they wanted, Project Manager wondered if there was a risk in not looking like a remote control that people didn't see as a remote control.", "title": "Doubts About Remote Control Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control style", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "About the remote control style, User Interface said it was comfortable to hold and should fit better in a person's hand. Also thought that the buttons could be concave instead of protruding so that they were slightly down and could be felt, in case you were in a dark room.", "title": "User Interface Opinion About Remote Control Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 28 ], [ 38, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control style", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface commented about the remote control style, that it was comfortable to hold because remote controls were sometimes large, rectangular, and awkward to hold and that these should fit better in a person's hand. User Interface also thought that the buttons could be concave instead of protruding so that they would be down a bit and could be felt, in case you were in a dark room.", "title": "User Interface Opinion About Remote Control Style", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 28 ], [ 38, 46 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Well I think {disfmarker} I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well . Um , but that {disfmarker} it's easy to {gap} if you can switch back and forth instead of having to {vocalsound} press a bunch of different buttons", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : and {disfmarker} so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know .", "Project Manager : Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it's important that you should be able to {disfmarker} when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it {disfmarker} the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and {gap} T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren't", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : like an area that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Like it's very {disfmarker} a very {disfmarker} like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like {disfmarker} Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition .", "Project Manager : Um what so wh what's in in {disfmarker} what particular style features are you thinking about ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um . Something that looks looks {disfmarker} doesn't look like remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So if you want , {vocalsound} something that looks like uh {disfmarker} something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Marketing : but it makes you think oh .", "Project Manager : {gap} . Yeah", "Marketing : So , sorry that's a bit vague {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control , {vocalsound} people won't see it as a remote control um and uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh . Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a {disfmarker} of remote controls ?", "User Interface : I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better .", "Project Manager : I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : some from personal experience which look nice", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but {vocalsound} aren't particularly comfortable . Um {vocalsound} any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well from the mouse idea you could , {gap} remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want {gap} {disfmarker} could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button .", "Project Manager : Yes , I mean {vocalsound} the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : I suppose .", "Project Manager : fi find the button buttons easily .", "Marketing : Easily , yeah yeah .", "User Interface : But maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them {disfmarker} be kind of down so you could feel them", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : better .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's uh {disfmarker} must admit I don't think I've ever seen one with concave buttons , that's uh {disfmarker} certainly be different . Um do we need it to uh {disfmarker} I can't think of any re remote controls that I know of that actually light up at all .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh yeah .", "Project Manager : Do we do we want uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm that would be good .", "User Interface : Like a like a mobile phone ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm , yeah that would be good ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 505, 606 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "older people", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the younger part of the market would not be the 40% they would like to sell to, so they should also look at older people, but with the proposed buttons, which would be easy to use, they could attract them. Project Manager confirmed that while they were targeting younger people to make it profitable, they still needed to take older people into account.", "title": "Target Age", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "older people", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; younger part of the market isn't the forty percent we want to sell to; should for least a bit look at the older people. Project Manager; although; focussing on younger people to make it profitable; still need to take in account the bit older people.", "title": "Target Age", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer proposed to make the control more elaborate by implementing speech techniques, such as voice recognition, making it more attractive to its audience. The advantages would be: that sophisticated techniques may appeal to customers, that the circuit board would be much simpler, and the fewer buttons it has, the cheaper the circuit board, so they would only need a chip for voice recognition. The downsides would be cost, battery life, and power savings. User Interface said they should take a look at costs, especially for speech recognition. Project Manager asked for help determining costs and getting information about them, but it should be an easy interface without so many buttons, just one for volume and program and some fancy lights. Project Manager added that speech recognition shouldn't be integrated, but that could be decided by the next meeting as the Marketing expert looked at trends and adapted ideas.", "title": "Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "voice recognition", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; decided to implement a seemingly easy design; outside it looks easy; make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside; implementing speech techniques; voice recognition; more attractable; to audience; main advantage; fancy techniques; customers will like; circuit board will become much more easier; more cheap; just add a chip which does the voice recognition; disadvantage; some concerns about the costs and the things like battery lifetime, energy saving.", "title": "Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "circuit board", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer proposed to add speech recognition function. As an advantage, Industrial Designer suggested that the circuit board would be much simpler and the fewer buttons it had, the cheaper it would be, so you would only have to add a chip for voice recognition. Project Manager asked for help determining costs and getting information about it, although it should be an easy interface without so many buttons, just one for volume and program and some fancy lights.", "title": "Circuit Board for Voice Recognition Function", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "circuit board", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer proposed to add speech recognition function to make it more attractive to your audience. As a bonus, he stated that the circuit board would be much easier if the buttons were not implemented. It would be very cheap to incorporate an integrated circuit, or a chip. Because the fewer buttons you had, the cheaper the circuit board would be. If there was only one chip for speech recognition, the circuit board would be cheaper, and it should be as cheap as possible. The downside would be that there were some concerns about cost and other things like battery life and power savings. User Interface said they should take a look at costs, especially for speech recognition. Project Manager asked for help determining costs and getting information about it, although it should be an easy interface without so many buttons, just one for volume and program and some fancy lights.", "title": "Circuit Board for Voice Recognition Function", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 90 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting . Um {vocalsound} I would like to hear um {disfmarker} maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about , yeah , but that are important . Uh Ruud , you you came up with the voice recognition uh data . Uh are there other things about the market we should know ?", "Marketing : Um I think we dealt with the most important information . Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh want to sell to . So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : But with uh buttons like that , which are easy to use , we uh might attract them too . So {disfmarker} I don't think that's a big problem", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay , so", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : although we are focussing on younger people uh to make it uh profitable uh {disfmarker} Profitable . We we {disfmarker} yeah , we still need to take in account the the bit older people .", "Marketing : Yes . Yeah , profitable .", "Industrial Designer : Profitable .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : O okay . {vocalsound} Um Roo . {gap} {disfmarker} Nothing to add .", "User Interface : I have nothing uh nothing to add , I think .", "Project Manager : Sebastian ?", "Industrial Designer : Um I just want to make a summary of all all things uh spoken and uh the different possibilities . Um", "Project Manager : Yeah ? Great .", "Industrial Designer : so uh basically we've decided to implement a seemingly uh easy design . So on the outside it looks easy , but uh we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside . So that's one {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} those are the choices we have to make . But I think there's a big advantage in making it more elaborate by uh implementing uh speech techniques , uh voice recognition , that {disfmarker} these kinds of things .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um it makes it also more uh attractable , I think , to our uh audience . Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages , and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques , which uh I think our customers will like . The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime , energy saving .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not {disfmarker} do not implement these buttons . {vocalsound} If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition , uh our circuit board will become even more cheap . So that's another {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , and that was the main issue , right ? The the board {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : well , it wa it w it was an issue , but we also thought that {disfmarker} we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And this even uh makes it more cheapy .", "User Interface : But the cheaper the ch uh the the chip or th what was it ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : The board .", "User Interface : The circuit board .", "Industrial Designer : The circuit board .", "User Interface : The fewer buttons you can use on it .", "Project Manager : No , it's th", "Industrial Designer : The fewer buttons you have , the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board , yes .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , okay .", "Project Manager : It's the other way around , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit , a chip . So that's that's another advantage .", "Project Manager : It shouldn't be a big issue .", "User Interface : Well it {disfmarker} then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh {disfmarker} especially for the voice recognition .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} Yes , because I don't know {disfmarker} Yes . I d I really don't know . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : It can be costly . Maybe not .", "Project Manager : I'm not sure how how we'll f uh determine the costs , I will have a look at it . Maybe you will get some information on that .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Um I'm not sure how how that {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , I al I I hope my personal coach will uh {vocalsound} have a lo uh look at it . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , great . Um {vocalsound} well , I think we're qui quite done .", "User Interface : We're done , I think .", "Project Manager : Um for now we will have the lunch break .", "Industrial Designer : How nice .", "Project Manager : Um I'm {disfmarker} don't know how long the break will be , but we'll find out .", "User Interface : Me neither .", "Project Manager : Um then we will have thirty minutes of time to perform our individual work , uh and I'm sure your personal coaches will uh assist you with it . Um I will put the minutes I just made in the project documents folder . If you want to look at it um well , just do . Um {vocalsound} the Interface Designer , um I would like to {disfmarker} the next meeting I would like to receive the uh components concept .", "User Interface : Interface {disfmarker} industrial .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker} I'm sorry , yeah , I'm sorry .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : User Interface Designer , uh Roo , I would like to see the user interface c uh concept .", "Industrial Designer : Well , we understand . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And um", "User Interface : Uh the only problem is it {disfmarker} that it depends on the divisions {disfmarker} the decis uh decisions Sebastian makes . About the voice recognition .", "Industrial Designer : Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , i it should be easy ,", "User Interface : Well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : that's w w what we concluded . It should be an easy interface with not so much buttons . S just a a p a p a volume and a programme one . And um {vocalsound} um yeah , some some fancy lights .", "Industrial Designer : Mm yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think that's what we decided .", "Industrial Designer : So we drop the voice recognition ?", "Project Manager : No no no , we didn't {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : but it shouldn't be integrated {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "Project Manager : yeah , it's {disfmarker} of course it's user interface , but um i I was talking about really the design of the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Well um do we really have to decide now", "Project Manager : No .", "Industrial Designer : or can we decide next meeting ?", "Project Manager : We can decide the next meeting . Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Because I'll have some updated info on that uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . I guess all of you have i updated info . I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : And I'm sure the market will um uh {vocalsound} {gap} uh will change , adapt", "Marketing : Hmm .", "User Interface : Adapt .", "Industrial Designer : Adapt .", "Marketing : Left .", "Project Manager : and um so", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : we will see that . Um yeah , that's it for now .", "User Interface : That's it .", "Project Manager : Any other questions", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : or can we have the lunch ?", "Industrial Designer : We can have the lunch .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : I'll take the lunch .", "Project Manager : Good ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 64, "turns": [ 2, 9 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user requirement specification", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that it was the Marketing Expert, and in each of the three phases it had a different role, and in the function design phase it talked about user requirement specification, and it did research about how that got figured out, and in the next phase it saw the trends, then it did marketing research.", "title": "Marketing Explaining Roles and User Requirement Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user requirement specification", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing talked about the user requirement specification in the function design phase, so needs and desires were fulfilled.", "title": "Marketing Explaining Roles and User Requirement Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : I'll just put that there . Uh as you all know we're here to create a brand new fantastic remote . Uh I'm Nick Debusk , I'm the Project Manager . Uh we'll just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you're doing , what your what your role is um . Go ahead .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound} I am Corinne Whiting and I will be the Marketing Expert and in each of the three phases I will have a different role . In the function design phase I will be talking about user requirement specification , and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , and I'll be doing research to figure this out . In the conceptual design phase I will be dealing with trend watching and I'll be doing marketing research on the web . And then finally in the um detailed design phase I will be doing product evaluation and so I will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : Hiya , I'm Ryan . Um I'm the User Interface Designer . Um likewise I've three different roles for each stage of design . Um the functional design is looking at the tex technical functions of a remote control . Um in the concept design , the user interface , how the user reacts with the the product . And the detailed design um {vocalsound} sort of like the user interface design , what they might be looking for , uh things like fashions , what makes wha how we're gonna make it special . That's about it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Right . {vocalsound} I'm Manuel and I'm the Industrial Designer in in this project um . In the functional design phase I'm {disfmarker} I'll be dealing mostly with the requirements , um we'll discuss what the prog what functions the the product has to fulfil and so and so on . Um I suppose we'll work pretty much together on that one . Um um in the conceptual design um I'll be pro mostly dealing with properties and materials um of our product .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And uh the detailed design {disfmarker} in the detailed design I'll be concerned with the look and feel of the product itself , um so we're pretty much working together obviously on the design front here . Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . Um so we've got our opening , our our agenda is the opening , uh acquaintance which we've kinda done . Uh tool training , project plan discussion and then closing ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 95, 105 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "out-of-court disposals", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Vikki Howells AM asked about the work that was currently being done to explore the use of diversion rather than prosecution as an out-of-court disposal option, in respect of a pending Bill to create a body of out-of-court disposals for offences. Barry Hughes said that he has been working with the National Police Chiefs' Council to develop the police approach to out-of-court disposals and simplify the range of out-of-court disposals. Barry Hughes said that out-of-court disposals were primarily a matter for the police, because a great many offences or reports of crime did not reach the CPS, and that in cases that CPS decided to utilize diversion, the responsibility for administering the conditions of the diversion fell to the police. Barry Hughes stated that a document called the director's guidance on charging sets out offences the police may charge and offences the CPS may charge, but that there were still instances where it was difficult to assess the best approach, or instances when the CPS and the police may take a different viewpoint on prosecution or diversion on individual cases. Vikki Howells AM said that information was helpful, and asked how a body of out-of-court disposals would actually work in practice. Barry Hughes replied that an infrastructure could be built within Wales that would provide for a range of out-of-court disposals, and that while the police or the CPS couldn't be directed to recommend that, if the infrastructure was good enough, more than likely people would be pointed in that direction. Vikki Howells AM asked who, in Barry Hughes' opinion, would build that infrastructure. Barry Hughes responded that he was not the right person to answer that question, but that it would be some government or police entity within Wales. Lynn Neagle AM asked if a duty should be imposed on the Government in Wales to raise awareness of the change, as there was such a duty in Scotland. Barry Hughes replied that it was not for him to say, but that the greater the level of awareness, the more likely it would be that the Act, if passed, would achieve its intentions. Lynn Neagle AM asked what approach the CPS would take in Wales if a law was unintentionally broken by someone who'd come from England or outside the UK. Barry Hughes stated that ignorance of the law would not be a defence, so the raising of awareness of the law would be important.", "title": "Discussion of Bill to Create a Body of Out-of-Court Disposals for Offences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 7, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "out-of-court disposals", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Vikki Howells AM asked about the work that was currently being done to explore the use of diversion rather than prosecution as an out-of-court disposal option. Barry Hughes said that he has been working with the National Police Chiefs Council to develop the police approach to out-of-court disposals and simplify the range of out-of-court disposals. Barry Hughes replied that an infrastructure could be built within Wales that would provide for a range of out-of-court disposals, and that while the law didn't direct the police or the CPS to recommend out-of-court disposals, if the infrastructure was good enough, more than likely people would be pointed in that direction. Barry Hughes replied to Lynn Neagle AM that it was not for him to say, but that the greater the level of awareness, the more likely it would be that the Act, if passed, would achieve its intentions. Barry Hughes stated that ignorance of the law would not be a defence, so the raising of awareness of the law would be important.", "title": "Discussion of Bill to Create a Body of Out-of-Court Disposals for Offences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 7, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "national police chief , council , help , out-of-court disposals", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The National Police Chiefs' Council has been working with the CPS to develop the police approach to out-of-court disposals, and to simplify the range of out-of-court disposals. In cases where the CPS found it very difficult to assess which approach to take to a specific case, the CPS had a meaningful conversation with the National Police Chiefs' Council to determine the best approach.", "title": "National Police Chiefs' Council's Role in Out-of-Court Disposals", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "National Police Chief , Council , help , out-of-court disposals", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The National Police Chiefs' Council's CPS lead, deputy chief constable Sara Glen, has been working with the CPS to develop the police approach to out-of-court disposals, and to simplify the range of out-of-court disposals. In cases where the CPS found it very difficult to assess which approach to take to a specific case, the CPS had a meaningful conversation with the National Police Chiefs' Council to determine the best approach.", "title": "National Police Chiefs' Council's Role in Out-of-Court Disposals", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thoughts , infrastructure , out-of-court disposals", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes thought that an infrastructure could be built, within Wales, that would provide for a range of out-of-court disposals, and that even though there was no law directing the police or the CPS to point people towards out-of-court disposals, if a good infrastructure surrounding out-of-court disposals were built, people would be more likely pointed in that direction. Barry Hughes thought that some government or police entity within Wales could create the needed infrastructure.", "title": "Creation of the Infrastructure", "relevant_turns": [ 3, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thoughts , infrastructure , out-of-court disposals", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes thought that an infrastructure could be built, within Wales, that would provide for a range of out-of-court disposals, and that even though there was no law directing the police or the CPS to point people towards out-of-court disposals, if a good infrastructure surrounding out-of-court disposals were built, people would be more likely pointed in that direction. Barry Hughes thought that some government or police entity within Wales, such as the Welsh Government, local authorities, the police working in partnership, or the police and crime commissioners could create the needed infrastructure.", "title": "Creation of the Infrastructure", "relevant_turns": [ 3, 5 ] } ], "source": [ "Vikki Howells AM : Thank you. I've got one further series of questions around out-of-court disposals, which you've already mentioned briefly. In your written evidence, you say there's ongoing work exploring diversion rather than prosecution in respect of this Bill. Firstly, could you tell us a bit more about the work that is being done to explore this as an option?", "Barry Hughes : We've been working with the National Police Chiefs' Council. Their lead is deputy chief constable Sara Glen. She is responsible for developing the police approach to out-of-court disposals and simplifying the range of out-of-court disposals. There is quite a range, and life would be simpler and clearer to have fewer types of disposal with more clarity about what each one of them involved. I must say, this is primarily a matter for the police, because there are a great many offences or reports of crime that do not reach the CPS because they are dealt with by way of an out-of-court disposal. Any case that the police refer to us for a charging decision is going to be something\u2014. There's a document called the director's guidance on charging, which is issued by the director of public prosecutions, which sets out offences the police may charge and offences the CPS may charge. Offences that the police refer to us for a charging decision will generally be offences where they feel that there should be a prosecution rather than an out-of-court disposal. There may be cases where it's genuinely very difficult to assess what's the best approach, in which case we will have a conversation with them, a meaningful conversation, about what's the best way to approach that particular case. There will also be cases, and we see these not that rarely, where the police will bring a case to us for a prosecution on the basis that satisfies the evidential stage and satisfies the public interest stage, and we take a different view on the public interest stage. So, we might say\u2014for example, it involves a 15-year-old youth\u2014we\u00a0 think that diversion from the criminal justice system is a better disposal and we decide not to prosecute. We aren't responsible for administering\u00a0the out-of-court disposal or indeed monitoring compliance with that disposal, if, for example, it has conditions attached, such as repayment of the damage caused to a window or a front gate. That's not our responsibility\u2014that will fall to the police\u2014but we can decide that an out-of-court disposal is a more appropriate disposal than a prosecution. Does that help?", "Vikki Howells AM : It does. One final question on that then: creating a body of out-of-court disposals that are specific to this Bill\u2014how would that actually work in practice do you think, given the fact that the Assembly's legislative competence to make provision on the face of the Bill is limited?", "Barry Hughes : The way I might see it is that, clearly, policing's not devolved, the CPS is not devolved\u2014the way I might see this is that, within Wales, you could build an infrastructure that provides for a range of out-of-court disposals. You can't direct the police or the CPS to point people towards that, but, if you build a good infrastructure, it's more likely that people will be pointed in that direction.", "Vikki Howells AM : And who would build that infrastructure, in your opinion?", "Barry Hughes : Somewhere within Wales\u2014Welsh Government, local authorities, the police working in partnership. It may be that the police and crime commissioners use some of their commissioning powers to work something up. I'm not the right person to answer that question.", "Vikki Howells AM : Okay. Thank you, Chair.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. If I could just ask about awareness raising, then: you mentioned the Bill in Scotland, but that Bill includes a duty on the Government to raise awareness of the change. There's no such duty proposed in this Bill. Do you think that's right or should this committee be saying that there should be a similar duty imposed in Wales?", "Barry Hughes : I'm not sure it's for me to say whether there should be a duty or not. I can, however, say that I think the greater the level of awareness, the more likely it is that the Act, if passed, will achieve its intentions.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. And, in your written evidence, you mentioned the fact that there's no indication of any plans for awareness raising in England and that if a person from England is being prosecuted in Wales as a result of this change, a question could arise about the lack of knowledge about the different provisions that apply in Wales. Can I ask what approach the CPS currently takes in Wales if a law is unintentionally broken by someone who's come from outside the UK, for example?", "Barry Hughes : It's straightforward: if someone comes to this country and commits an offence here\u2014by this country, I'd say England or Wales; I'd treat them as one for these purposes\u2014if someone comes from abroad and commits an offence that isn't an offence in their country, but is an offence here, then I'm afraid that ignorance of the law is no defence. So, raising awareness is important, and I saw, and I was pleased to see, that the media publicity surrounding this proposed legislation, which is now going through, reached as far afield as New York and had widespread media coverage across England and Wales, and I think the Government would be well placed here to take advantage of that willingness of the media to explore something, which is potentially divisive, and I think you've probably seen some of that. Anything like that is a good story, and a good story gets out there, which means you're more likely to make people aware of it." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 18, "turns": [ 0, 120 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The discussion concluded that remote controls with good usability: shouldn't zap easily, had ten percent of the most used buttons at the top where it was reachable, should be detectable when lost, and should be easy to learn. Marketing also mentioned that younger people under the age of forty-five preferred new features but the older people didn't. They wanted to keep the old features.", "title": "Functional Requirements of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The discussion concluded that seventy-five percent of the users said remote controls zap a lot and so good zap buttons needed to be made as a requirement. Marketing also stated that remotes that zap a lot were bad for RSI. Marketing said fifty percent of users said they only use ten percent of the buttons and Project Manager responded by saying ten percent of the most used buttons should be at the top. Marketing said remote controls were often lost somewhere in the room and suggested an introduction of a clap system to get the remote to beep while User Interface said a button on the home station could suffice. So the remote control beeped when you clicked that button on the home station. Marketing said that it took too much time to learn how to use a new remote control and if a whole new product was made, it would make it difficult for users to grasp. Marketing also mentioned that younger people under the age of forty-five preferred new features but the older people didn't. They wanted to keep the old features.", "title": "Important Report About Functional Requirements of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "giving up on speech recognition , functional requirements", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing mentioned older people wanted to spend more money but didn't want to have a lot of new features, because they were in their old thinking way and they wanted to keep the old things. So Marketing proposed to skip speech recognition. It was expensive, more than twenty-five Euros per remote control.", "title": "Removal of Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "giving up on speech recognition , functional requirements", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "The older people didn't want to have a lot of new features, so Marketing wanted to skip speech recognition. It was expensive, not reachable for twenty-five Euros.", "title": "Extraction of Speech Recognition Due to Budget Constraints", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ease of use , functional requirements", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested an introduction of a clap system to get a lost remote to beep while User Interface said a button on the home station could suffice. Marketing said they had to make a new, simple, and very special product to which User Interface added that it should also stand out. User Interface said there were already so many controls out that support lots of stuff but they had to make sure there was better usability.", "title": "Ease of Use of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 77 ], [ 92, 96 ], [ 108, 112 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "ease of use , functional requirements", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing: Maybe we could make a clap system, so when you clap your hands it will beep or something. User Interface: Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station. Marketing: And we only make it for television, so we must make it very special. User Interface: but good usability. Marketing: Keep it simple. User Interface: Already, so many controls out that support lot of stuff.", "title": "Views on Ease of Use of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 77 ], [ 92, 96 ], [ 108, 112 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "universal", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the points gotten from the last meeting were for a universal remote control but an email was shared that the product discussion should be for a TV remote control. The discussion had to be focused on remote control for kids and the elderly.", "title": "Narrowing Down From Universal Remote Control to TV Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "universal", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the points gotten from the last meeting were for a universal remote control but an email was shared by the personal coach indicating that the product discussion was supposed to be for a TV remote control only. So that part needed to be changed. Project Manager said the remote control had to be for kids and the elderly and that the main people of interest of the company were forty-plus people. People who were old and not younger.", "title": "Moving From Universal Remote to TV Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said: seventy-five percent of the users found most remote controls ugly, seventy-five percent said remote controls zap a lot, fifty percent of users said they only used ten percent of the buttons. Marketing also reported that thirty-four percent of users found it difficult to learn how to use a new remote control.", "title": "Statistics on Remote Control Use in Percentages", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said seventy-five percent of the users found most remote controls ugly while eighty percent of users would spend more when a remote control looked fancy. Marketing said seventy-five percent of users claimed remote controls zap a lot and fifty percent of users only used ten percent of the buttons. So they should have ten percent of the buttons at the top. 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Paul Wiezer .", "Project Manager : W_I_E_S_ z Z_ or S_ ?", "User Interface : A_ E_ Z_ zee zee", "Project Manager : Uh uh zee {gap} . Okay .", "User Interface : E_ R_ .", "Project Manager : What's your name ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh Martijn .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but your surname . {vocalsound} Your surname .", "Industrial Designer : What ? Uh Abbing . A_ B_ B_ I_ N_ G_ .", "Project Manager : Okay , thanks .", "User Interface : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : I was a little short on time ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , me too , so that's not {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , same here .", "Project Manager : No no no , I just fi first my {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh . {vocalsound} Sorry .", "User Interface : Uh let's see . Which one was mine ?", "Project Manager : So let's have a look , we have forty minutes , so it's it's more than enough . {gap} Okay , perfect . So we have {disfmarker} Oh no , what's that ? So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting , and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure , that we are ,", "User Interface : Good .", "Project Manager : that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like {disfmarker} look like . Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting , so I showed uh show them to you . Oh , sorry about that , I just escape this one . How do I escape this ? How do I I escape this s uh presentation ?", "Industrial Designer : What ?", "User Interface : Uh left .", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Ah okay .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Just {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : And show , sorry . Okay , so let's have a look s at this one . Okay , so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um {disfmarker} Should be a univ uh universal remote control {disfmarker} No , that's {disfmarker} I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only . So have you changed that part ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um so {disfmarker} yeah , it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly . It's it's still the same . Um {disfmarker} All these points uh we have to look at . You all know them . But uh there's another point . The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people . So they're old and not younger people . So we have to look at that as well . 'Specially old people , maybe bi bigger buttons or something , I dunno .", "User Interface : Yeah , okay .", "Project Manager : Uh so {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} yeah , that's it , so just you can do your presentation for uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Which one first ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Oh it doesn't matter , just start with the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm . Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Functional requirements , yeah", "Marketing : Okay . Well my name is Jens Damman , but we're in a group , and I I will start it . Wait . Um I've used a marketing report on uh the site . Uh I think you've uh read it too . Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site .", "Project Manager : I I didn't read i read it , so it's not for me ,", "Marketing : You didn't read it ?", "Project Manager : I didn't get it uh anyway .", "User Interface : No , I didn don't thing we got it .", "Project Manager : It's only for you .", "Marketing : Oh okay , I I was the only one who get it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Okay it was uh uh uh um um {vocalsound} a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users . And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof . So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings . So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control . Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly . Yeah , I think uh uh that's a lot , so we have to make a beautiful remote control . Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy . I think this fits uh at the {vocalsound} uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people . Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good . Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at . Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot . Well okay , that's uh normal . I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons . But that's one of our requirements .", "Project Manager : The last point is quite an interesting {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yes , fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons .", "Project Manager : So", "Marketing : Um Martijn alr already said it .", "Project Manager : if we {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one , but {disfmarker} I don't think it's uh", "Project Manager : Yeah , we should have the ten percent on the on the top ,", "Marketing : reachable .", "Project Manager : then you're you're {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , the ten percent on the top , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : That that's a good one . Um uh page two . Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room . That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something . Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system , so when you {vocalsound} clap your hands it will beep or something . Uh you must find it uh quickly .", "User Interface : Uh . Maybe just a button on the home station . So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station .", "Marketing : Okay , yeah . Yeah , we can uh combine that . Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control . Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this . It's only uh th thirty four of the {vocalsound} thirty four percent . But it's uh a tough one . Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think . Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something . I don't {disfmarker} We we haven't {disfmarker} Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point . Okay , last page .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition . We didn't uh think about that already . And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control . We already thought about that . Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features . And but they're more critical . And older people uh want to spend uh more money . {vocalsound} But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features , because they're in their old uh thinking way . And they want to keep the old uh things the old things . {gap}", "Project Manager : So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus .", "Marketing : But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ?", "Project Manager : People . So yeah , so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control ,", "Marketing : I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : because {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros .", "Project Manager : It's too {disfmarker} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um then {disfmarker} I have my personal uh preference . Okay , that's {vocalsound} not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_ . I had a question about . But it's already out of the question , this . Um my point is , well , I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros . But it's the exercise .", "Project Manager : Because it's too expensive . Yeah , probably .", "Marketing : Yeah , only only for television uh {disfmarker} On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything . And we only make it for television , so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special .", "User Interface : Yeah , but good usability , so you can use it .", "Marketing : Okay , I told about the home station . Uh it must be simple , because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it . And I I found a motto . And we put the fashion in electronics . And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style . We we have to make a {vocalsound} a new product . We have to be um {disfmarker} Yeah . One of a kind , I think .", "Project Manager : So it has to look uh uh uh unique ,", "User Interface : Unique .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style .", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker} Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , I reckon {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But old people are not looking for that .", "User Interface : Uh I think mm {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Not really .", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I think the main thing is the usability , that's where we can uh make it a special product .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : to k to keep it simple when you {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But uh we also have to stand out ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Sorry I thought about it , yes .", "User Interface : 'cause there are already , like you said , so many controls out that support lot of stuff . But we have to make sure that we're better usability , and stand out by just looks of it . So make it just a different colour or different shape ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "User Interface : so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay , this was uh my presentation .", "Project Manager : Thanks .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : I don't {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So", "Marketing : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 0, 24 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "agenda", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said welcome to the meeting and gave the agenda, the opening, and the duration.", "title": "Introduction of the Agenda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "agenda", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager introducted presenter, the agenda, the opening, and they got three presentations, new projects requirements, and they were going to make a decision on remotes, everything in forty minutes.", "title": "Introduction of the Agenda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 24 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Here we go again .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} My mouse is not working anymore .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} He's uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : when I put it in , is is going to beep beep beep .", "Marketing : Oh , I got a nice little screen here over here .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I got like this big black border uh on every side .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm , okay .", "Project Manager : Everybody ready ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I'll I'll fix it .", "User Interface : Yeah , it's okay .", "Project Manager : Welcome at the functional design meeting , again presented by Maarten .", "Marketing : Yeah , whatever .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh this is the agenda , the opening . Uh , we've got three presentations . And I'm gonna show you some of the new projects requirements that were sent to me . And we're gonna make a decision on the remote control functions . We have uh forty minutes .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : Oh , well this is the {vocalsound} the closing already .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So uh {disfmarker} well we start off with the th the first presentation then . Uh , I think um in uh {disfmarker} we have to do it in uh in right order ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 35, "turns": [ 187, 277 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "range , point", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Range of remote control was discussed. The necessity to point directly on the television when changing channels was disturbing and a solution was needed. Team noticed there were problems with remote's range if the device was not pointed at the television. 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Buttons should be soft. Digits' painting was not supposed to fade. White buttons with a black mark on were proposed.", "title": "Remote Control's Appeal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 35 ], [ 64, 66 ], [ 85, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , painting , digits", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface; able to feel the buttons; have to know what you do without looking at the buttons; feel the buttons for volume or whatever; it should be visible in dark too; white buttons with a black mark on it; the digits in black; painting on the buttons should not fade.", "title": "Buttons, Digits and Painting of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 35 ], [ 64, 66 ], [ 85, 89 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : I I've seen these remote controls with uh this little stick uh which you can move forward , sidewords .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : You know these things . And um it's very easy for a user to to switch {disfmarker}", "User Interface : They're very vu vulnerable .", "Industrial Designer : w yes ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : to to switch b uh between uh channels or uh change uh between tracks on a on a C_D_ , on on a chapters , you know , on a D_V_D_ player . So maybe that's an idea ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't know .", "User Interface : And for other user interface I had um , well , it's more industrial thing . Uh point at a T_V_ , I think it's it's quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the T_V_ ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : so you must {vocalsound} point everywhere , so maybe infrared is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Maybe not even pointed . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , just don't even point it , so in that case infrared should uh maybe uh be restriction to that .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh is that uh {disfmarker} are there restriction for the range , the operating range too ? So when you're not able to point at the device um the range is very limited .", "User Interface : Yeah , if you g if you go to radio or or {disfmarker} yeah . For T_V_ , you're always in in the neighbourhood of a T_V_ , so I don't think think the range should be a problem to that ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : but if you want to uh get it working with a radio , and you're in {disfmarker} outside your garden with just one uh speaker , then maybe the range should be uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay , gentlemen , um uh just a reminder , we d we have five minutes left for this meeting", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : But {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Two more things .", "Project Manager : okay .", "User Interface : Um You should able to feel the buttons without uh it mis um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons , so it should be as user interface um for feeling should be uh good to understand .", "Project Manager : Okay , s yeah .", "User Interface : You must feel the buttons for volume or whatever , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : And of course you don't always know where all buttons are , so it should be visible al um {vocalsound} in dark too .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So when it's dark {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Those are two really uh user interface {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh I'll write down glow in the dark . Is tha {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {gap} {disfmarker} That's perfect . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay , um uh I just want to hear uh Ruud's um input for this meeting .", "Industrial Designer : Do do you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um do you have anything already w um ab idea about how the market uh will respond to the {disfmarker} such a product ? Or what we should take um in account when developing such a product ?", "Marketing : Uh I think most most things have already been said , like uh control multiple devices .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : And uh , yeah , infrared might be an issue .", "Project Manager : Because ?", "Marketing : Uh well , he said about n abo what he said about pointing .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : But uh lots of devices already use infrared . So {disfmarker} we'll probably have to implement that .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay . Okay , Sebastian , did you have any other ideas ?", "Industrial Designer : Um well yes , I had , uh about three minutes ago ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but I've seem to forget them {disfmarker} {vocalsound} forgot them . Um {disfmarker} oh yes , I remember . Um you said something about visibility in the dark .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um uh would it be nice for a user to have display on this uh remote control , on which you can see functions ? Which makes it easier to operate it .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well , maybe I um {disfmarker} but it it can be quite simple ,", "Industrial Designer : I I don't know .", "User Interface : you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Okay .", "User Interface : The uh the the digits in black .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Uh then it's already visible in dark . So it it don't have to be a lightning or or a fancy", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {disfmarker} well , it can be for design , of course .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah , okay , because because we wa we want to develop a trendy product . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , but there's a cost limitation too .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Well , that's more {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : twelve Euro fifty , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So that's a big problem , I think . I think the the financial part of this project uh implicates that it's not going to be a high high-end product .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : The cost price is very low .", "User Interface : Just remind something .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : The digits of uh the the painting on the buttons should not fade .", "Project Manager : Okay , okay .", "User Interface : You have a m uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Very good point . Yeah .", "User Interface : Always have s the soft buttons , always uh clear the the the paint on it . The marks .", "Industrial Designer : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 26, "turns": [ 151, 176 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "additional design aspects , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager discussed the additional design aspects of a TV remote control. They discussed integrating a feature for disabled people, and to make it light.", "title": "Design Aspects of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 3, 6 ], [ 10, 12 ], 14, [ 16, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "additional design aspects , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager discussed the additional design aspects of a TV remote control. They talked about the functionality of it, as TV's seam regular at any household. They discussed integrating a feature for disabled people and the material of which it should be made. The team agreed the remote should be light.", "title": "Design Aspects of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 3, 6 ], [ 10, 12 ], 14, [ 16, 18 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Well , I basically had a question . Do {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} Are we going to introduce a multi remote control ? Is it just the T_V_ or do we want to in", "Project Manager : The project I got was just for a T_V_ remote control .", "Marketing : Uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Just for T_V_ remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I guess so .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay . Well , I was thinking about design remote control , with our uh motto and all .", "Marketing : But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : No rational changes or whatever , 'cause it {disfmarker} revolutionary changes ,", "Project Manager : Okay , so very intuitive design , I guess .", "User Interface : yes . {vocalsound} Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product . So that was something I wanted to add ,", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : and perhaps some usability aspect . T_V_ is becoming central in most homes . Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh , yeah , to be able to use it as well ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , we want {disfmarker} I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it . So {vocalsound} I think {disfmarker} I mean , really disabled people , yeah , {vocalsound} might be a problem , but I think it's a little {gap} take it into consideration . Um yeah . I think we really need to cut the meeting short . You have anything you wanna share quickly ?", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : Only one thing uh that has to be added according to me is uh the the material it is made of , it should be something light .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's {disfmarker} it speaks for itself ,", "Project Manager : It should be light , okay .", "Industrial Designer : but some uh {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , let's see ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : where did I {disfmarker} Let's skip that . Oh , this is it . Sorry , I skipped this sheet ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 11, "turns": [ 105, 168 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "issues , HMRC", "speaker": "Julie Morgan" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan said that there were issues with the Welsh language. They would be able to process things bilingually, then they looked at the HMRC, but about the Minister using Welsh language standards, there were some difficulties in them doing it.", "title": "Julie Morgan Thought of Issue With HMRC", "relevant_turns": [ 44, [ 50, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "issues , HMRC", "speaker": "Julie Morgan" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan said that there were issues with the Welsh language. In terms of Welsh language standards for the Minister, there would be difficulties in them doing it.", "title": "Julie Morgan Thought of Issue With HMRC", "relevant_turns": [ 44, [ 50, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ESF funding", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that the programme has been extended until June 2022, with additional ESF funding. It was a very successful programme, providing employment to parents that were not in education and other things.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About ESF Funding on the Programme", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "ESF funding", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that the programme has been extended, with the delivery continuing until half of 2022, with additional ESF funding of \u00a35.6 million. This programme provided employment to parents, where childcare was the main barrier, it has been very successful. So, the UK guaranteed funding for all EU projects approved by December 2020, including the PaCE programme.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About ESF Funding on the Programme", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "systems", "speaker": "Nicola Edwards" }, "summary": "Nicola Edwards said that in terms of technical issues, the HMRC IT system had some with the Welsh alphabet because there were a number of special characters in it. Because of that, Welsh Minister caused some concerns, particularly in terms of the multiple IT systems of childcare services.", "title": "Nicola Edward Talking About Issues in Systems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "systems , issues", "speaker": "Nicola Edwards" }, "summary": "Nicola Edwards; technical issues; how HMRC were going to do it; in terms of the multiple IT systems; building up the childcare services; 'special characters' in the Welsh alphabet; HMRC IT system has some issues with that.", "title": "Nicola Edward Talking About Issues in Systems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "next year", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that they were committed to doing a review of the programme, on how they could bring in education and training, that review would report early next year. It got asked if was going to be in the announcement and answered that no, it would report early next year. At last, it said that they got another long-term review.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About Report of Next Year", "relevant_turns": [ 2, [ 7, 8 ], [ 22, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "next year", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that they were committed to doing a review of the programme, particularly on how they could bring in education and training, that review would report early next year. With the new First Minister, that was one of his manifesto commitments. It got asked if was going to be in the announcement and answered that no, that review would report early next year. At last, it said that they got another long-term review, looking at what universal offer would mean.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About Report of Next Year", "relevant_turns": [ 2, [ 7, 8 ], [ 22, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "committee", "speaker": "Jo-Anne Daniels" }, "summary": "Jo-Anne Daniels said that the only thing that they added, was that the cost that HMRC presented to them, was higher than the cost that they outlined to the committee in the impact assessment. They concluded that they could deliver a cheaper system, with flexibility that the Deputy Minister referred.", "title": "Jo-Anne Daniels Thoughts About the Committee", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "committee", "speaker": "Jo-Anne Daniels" }, "summary": "Jo-Anne; Add that; Again; Minster has referred to this; costs that HMRC presented; end of discovery phase; were significantly higher; initially been outlined; outlined to the committee in the regulatory impact assessment; deliver a cheaper system; has the flexibility; Deputy Minister has referred; working with local authorities; making sure; investment stays in Wales; paying over to HMRC; run the system; HMRC and their employees wherever they may be based; not based in Wales; investment in local authorities; retaining more of that investment here.", "title": "Jo-Anne Daniels Thoughts About the Committee", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "welsh language standards", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM said that was a principle decision, not a technical matter to do with the Welsh language standards. It said that if they want to have a more flexible offer and expand on it, HMRC would put limits on that. It got asked about some technical reasons, and it answered that HMRC would not have problems, according to the Welsh language standards.", "title": "Sian Gwenllian AM Talking About Welsh Language Standards", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "welsh language standards", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM said that they knew that from the beginning, it was a principle decision, not a technical matter to do with the Welsh language standards. It said that they were understanding more now, that they wanted to have a more flexible offer and expand on it, and that this would curtail going through HMRC, it would put limits on that. It got asked about some technical reasons, and it answered that HMRC would not have problems, according to the Welsh language standards.", "title": "Sian Gwenllian AM Talking About Welsh Language Standards", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 56 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Dawn.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you, Chair. You've already alluded to this in answer to Janet earlier on, about extending the childcare offer to those in training and education. You also talk about 'on the cusp' of returning to work. So, I'm not quite sure what 'on the cusp' of returning to work is, but from the committee's point of view, we're very pleased that you've reached that conclusion, because it was one of the recommendations that we had following the scrutiny of the Bill. So, can you say a little more about that, bearing in mind that I'm also conscious that you've told Hefin you're going to be making an announcement shortly? So you may not be able to say too much. But a little bit more about the inclusion of parents in training and education, what 'on the cusp of returning to work' is\u2014what that means from your perspective\u2014and how you've arrived at that decision now, six months into the programme. What is it that's made you move towards that conclusion?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, obviously, the children and young persons committee made a very good case for education and training, in particular; I think that was one of the things that was at the top of the list. What we've committed to do is to review the programme, particularly looking at how we could bring in education and training, and that review will report early next year. So, early next year, we will have a view on how we could go forward. But the other thing that's also happened is that, obviously, with the new First Minister, that was one of his manifesto commitments\u2014that he would bring education and training in. So, we're obviously following the\u2014", "Dawn Bowden AM : Because that was one of the key drivers for that as well.", "Julie Morgan AM : Yes, so that is another of the key drivers, as you said\u2014the committee and what the First Minister said. There are a wealth of programmes supporting parents into education, training or work, and many of those do provide support with childcare costs. But we have, by rolling out this programme, the childcare programme, highlighted some gaps where people have felt that they, particularly people who are in full-time education\u2014and I can think of a number of people who are actually doing PhD studies\u2014who are\u2014the letters may have come in from some of your constituents\u2014not able to access the offer as things stand. So, we are looking at people who are in full-time education and training. We're using the definition by the Office for National Statistics, aren't we, in terms of education and training. And on 'on the cusp of work', maybe that will have to be something we have to look at differently\u2014those people who are actually maybe undertaking very short training programmes, preparation for work, maybe actually having interviews, where they need help with childcare, that they're sort of almost there. So, they may have to be dealt with in a different way, but I think we do want to look at those. This is expanding the offer; it's not making it universal, but it's moving on.", "Dawn Bowden AM : So, what are the\u2014? Overall, then, what are the factors that you're having to take into account? Is it going to be what is needed in order to encourage people back into work? Is it going to be cost? Is it going to be a combination of all of those things? What are going to be the key factors that you're going to be looking at?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, the position now is that anybody who fulfills the criteria in terms of the number of hours they work, we would look at that in terms of education and training, and then, this expression 'on the cusp of work' we may have to look at differently, because they may not fulfil those numbers in terms of number of hours training. So, we'll get a criteria, and then they will have access to the childcare offer. But I just have to emphasise that there are ways of getting help with childcare already, and we wanted to make sure we don't duplicate. That's why this field is so complex, shall we say, because there's so many different ways that you can actually get help, and we want to be sure that we don't duplicate\u2014", "Dawn Bowden AM : Sorry, Julie. So, all of this is going to be incorporated in this announcement that you're going to be making shortly\u2014", "Julie Morgan AM : No, this review will report early next year.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. My final question\u2014", "Lynne Neagle AM : Before you move on, sorry, I've got a couple of supplementaries. I've got Suzy, then Si\u00e2n. Sorry, Dawn.", "Suzy Davies AM : Just on the cost element, because if you do roll out this programme, obviously, on the back of evidence through a review, it is going to cost extra money. Early years is one of the eight priority areas for Government. There are fairly generous Barnett consequentials coming from the comprehensive spending review and announcements on schools from the UK Government, and while I accept that you've only got annual commitments there, they're still substantial. How much money have you managed to secure for early years from the most recent announcement, and when have you planned to actually use that, maybe for some of this work?", "Julie Morgan AM : Have you got some information on that?", "Nicola Edwards : The budget process is ongoing internally, so I think 'secured' is probably a slightly premature phrase.", "Suzy Davies AM : Am I allowed to ask instead how much you've asked for, then? All I'm after is some reassurance that you will be getting some of this money, and as it is one of the eight priorities, certainly we would expect to see you getting a substantial amount of money for early years.", "Julie Morgan AM : As one of the Government's priorities, we would expect to get any money that came as a result of any Barnett consequentials.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. And it will be in the draft budget that we know for sure if it is successful.", "Julie Morgan AM : It's all in the process\u2014", "Lynne Neagle AM : And the committee will want to look very carefully at that, obviously.", "Julie Morgan AM : It's in the process at the moment.", "Suzy Davies AM : There we are. Just giving you a good warning.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : How much would it cost to move to a child-centred approach, which means that every child would be able to access the childcare offer, rather than doing it from parents?", "Julie Morgan AM : We are looking at that. We're having a longer-term review, in terms of what it would mean if every child had access to the childcare offer. We don't have those figures yet. We've got the one review looking at bringing in education and training. That should report early next year, and then we've got another longer-term review, looking at what a universal offer would mean.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Do we know how many children we're talking about?", "Nicola Edwards : Yes. So, there are approximately, at any given time, around 73,000 three and four-year-olds in Wales. There's some slight rounding in the numbers there, but approximately 73,000 at any given time. Based on the current eligibility criteria for the offer, it's about 34,000 children, we believe, are eligible. This does, of course, vary, depending on a whole range of different factors, and we certainly know from what we're seeing from the offer that, even where people are entitled to something, they don't necessarily take it up. And even if they do take it up, they don't necessarily take up their full entitlement, which is also something that we'd have to think about in terms of any modelling on costings.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, half the children are in non-working families.", "Nicola Edwards : It's because of the requirement that, in a two-parent household, both parents must be in work.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes. Two parent. Okay.", "Lynne Neagle AM : One of the points that the committee made very strongly in our report on the Bill was that we wanted to see a much more child-centred focus, and one of the issues that came out in scrutiny was whether, actually, three and four-year-olds were the right age to be actually targeting if we're looking at things like child development. Have you given any consideration to the actual age group that's covered when we know that, for many children, it's the first 1,000 days that makes that fundamental difference?", "Julie Morgan AM : We are aware that there is a case that says that two years old is a very important time. We are looking at that as part of the overall longer review, yes. We are aware of the information and what you're saying about the younger the better.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Dawn.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Yes, my final question, Chair, thank you, is about the parent, childcare and employment programme, which is jointly funded by the European social fund and Welsh Government. It has been quite successful, in terms of its numbers anyway, in getting economically inactive parents into work. What are the plans for this programme, if and when we leave the EU and we lose the ESF funding for that?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, the programme has recently been extended, with delivery continuing until June 2022, with additional ESF funding of \u00a35.6 million. That's recently happened, and obviously this programme provides intensive employment to parents who are not in education, employment or training or economically inactive and where the childcare is the main barrier, and it has been a very, very successful programme. So, the UK has guaranteed funding for all EU projects approved by December 2020, and this includes the PaCE programme. I think there was also another\u2014. I only heard it verbally. I heard some other guarantees on the radio recently from the UK Treasury about guaranteeing some of these funds. I don't know whether anybody else heard that. But the Welsh Government can only draw on the UK Government guarantee for claims that aren't paid by the European Commission, and so the current arrangements are staying in place.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Until when, sorry?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, June 2022.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Oh, I see. Yes. So, that's when all the current commitments expire, basically. Yes. So, we don't know\u2014. To do that it would have to be part of Government planning in terms of\u2014", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, we don't know what's happening with that\u2014", "Dawn Bowden AM : \u2014what would happen beyond that.", "Julie Morgan AM : \u2014funding, but there have been some promises from the UK Government recently, but nothing definite.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Yes, we're not holding our breath.", "Julie Morgan AM : No.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. Thank you, Chair.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Si\u00e2n's got some specific questions now around the Childcare Funding (Wales) Act 2019.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : As we know, of course, the work with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs has ended, and I know you weren't the Minister who initiated this process, but what exactly has gone wrong? What are these issues that have come to light that have made you suspend that? It's very frustrating for us, as a committee, who scrutinised that extensively and raised a lot of concerns about that. And a lot of time has been spent talking about this funding Bill, and money\u2014\u00a31 million, I understand\u2014has been wasted, if you like, unnecessarily. So, what exactly has gone wrong? Why aren't you discussing these things with HMRC?", "Julie Morgan AM :", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes. So, thank you for that explanation.", "Julie Morgan AM : I've got more to say as well.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes, but for your transparency around your particular\u00a0view that it needs to be more flexible and expanded upon and, therefore, going down the HMRC route was\u2014", "Julie Morgan AM : It would have restricted us a lot.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes. We knew that from the beginning. I mean, that's, you know\u2014. So, it was a principle decision rather than any sort of technical matters to do with the Welsh language standards. That's been cited as one kind of\u2014. But I'm really understanding more now that, really, what it's about is that you want to have a more flexible, and expand on the offer and that this would curtail\u2014going through HMRC would put limits on that.", "Julie Morgan AM : That is one of the reasons, but there were issues about the Welsh language, which we can go into in detail, if you'd like. There were some issues about that. They would be able to process things bilingually, and I think that was probably told to the committee when we looked at the HMRC. But, in terms of the Welsh language standards that the Minister has to use, there would be some difficulties in them doing it.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But would you say that your main change came about because you wanted to be more flexible rather than any difficulties\u2014", "Julie Morgan AM : One of the major reasons, I think\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. Good.", "Julie Morgan AM : But there are\u2014. As I say, there are other reasons. Those technical reasons probably do end up being quite important\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But the committee was told by the previous Minister that HMRC wouldn't have any problem at all with delivering according to the Welsh language standards.", "Julie Morgan AM : Do you want to add something to this?", "Nicola Edwards : So, in terms of some of the technical issues we had, if you want to start with the bilingual provision and the Welsh language standards, HMRC do provide a bilingual service at the moment for their customers in line with their Welsh language scheme, and I think we can all appreciate that schemes are quite different from the requirements of the standards. And there were some issues when we got into the detail of the standards that the Welsh Ministers are required to deliver to that caused some concerns in terms of how HMRC were going to do it, particularly in terms of the multiple IT systems that go into building up the childcare services. So, for example, there are a number of what are called 'special characters' in the Welsh alphabet, such as the to bach, for example. The HMRC IT system has some issues with that.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes, well, with due respect, the to bach has always been there\u2014", "Nicola Edwards : Oh, yes, I completely agree. Unfortunately, however\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : \u2014and HMRC would have been able to tell you, really early on, you would have thought, that it was\u2014. I don't really want to go into it, because I think we've got to the crux of why HMRC was dropped. I think it's been dropped because Julie feels that the offer needs to be more flexible, and I can understand why you would say that.", "Julie Morgan AM : If we bring in training and education, for example, we wouldn't be able to do that via the HMRC, it would have to be done by the local authorities. Foster parents have to be done via the local authorities. Any people of immigration status of no resource from public funds, that would have to be done via the local authorities. And with the local authorities also wanting to do it\u2014. I mean, there are other things with using HMRC\u2014if any changes were made with the English offer, for example, because this would be delivered via HMRC with the English offer, that would cause difficulties for the Welsh offer. So, we wanted something more flexible. I don't know if there's anything more you want to add on that.", "Jo-Anne Daniels : The only thing I'd add is that\u2014and, again, I think the Minister has referred to this\u2014the costs that HMRC presented us with at the end of the discovery phase were significantly higher than the costs that had initially been outlined and that we outlined to the committee in the regulatory impact assessment. So, our conclusion is that we can deliver a cheaper system and a system that has the flexibility that the Deputy Minister has referred to by working with local authorities rather than HMRC. So, there is an important issue around value for money as well and making sure that the investment that we're making into developing the national system is one that\u2014that, in a sense, that investment stays in Wales. So, obviously, the money that we're paying over to HMRC to run the system would be supporting HMRC and their employees wherever they may be based, many of them not based in Wales; investment in local authorities to administer the system means that we're retaining more of that investment here." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 11, "turns": [ 94, 104 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "local authorities", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM got asked about it, and then answered that wasn't surprised at all because it was only in seven local authorities. The families found it through childcare providers. After that, it said that of course, they couldn't fully advertise the childcare offer until it was available in all the local authorities. At last, it said that they were managing it with a normal budgetary process and that local authorities would get the full funding that would be needed.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking about Local Authorities", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 7, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "local authorities", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM answered that wasn't surprised, because it was only available in seven local authorities. The families found it through childcare providers. It said that they couldn't fully advertise the childcare offer until it was available in all the local authorities, which was last April. At last, it said that they were managing it with a normal budgetary process and that local authorities would get the full funding that would be needed in that year now that the big increase happened the last two years.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking about Local Authorities", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 7, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "great success", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that that was something that they were moving towards, because take-up offer increases each month, and that was why it called it a great success, at the end of half-of-the-year, 16000 families got benefited for that. It said that they saw signs of people being more flexible in the work that they were doing.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About the Great Success", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "great success", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM; we are moving towards, take-up of the offer is actually increasing each month; a great success. At the end of July, we hit almost 16,000 children accessing the offer, there are 16,000 families benefiting; They've got more money available, which is great, more money is available to plunge into the economy; supported; programmes like Parents, Childcare, and Employment.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking about the Great Success", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 3 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. I take that point. What the first year's evaluation did show, however, was that 94 per cent of respondents said that they were already using formal childcare before the offer came into place. A couple of things, really: are you surprised at that, and is that likely to inform the way that you develop the offer in the future?", "Julie Morgan AM : No, I'm not surprised at all. When it started off, it was only available in seven local authorities. In terms of how the families found out that it was available, they found it out through the childcare providers, where they already had their children there. So it was absolutely what we would have expected, and that will continue. But, of course, we were not able to fully advertise the childcare offer until it was available in all the local authorities, which was last April. So we are planning, this autumn, quite a big push now to try to make it available to everybody\u2014so everybody knows about it. So, no, this is the pattern we would have expected, and I think anybody who's involved in starting up something in childcare will know you have to wait a number of years before you actually see it being fully taken up.", "Dawn Bowden AM : I guess the question that it raises in my mind is: does this mean that, actually, it hasn't been an incentive to get somebody back into work, because they were already in work and already had childcare provision? What you've done is you've directed money to people who were already spending that money anyway. So it hasn't been a move towards getting people into work because they couldn't afford childcare.", "Julie Morgan AM : Well I think that that is something that we are moving towards, because the take-up of the offer is actually increasing each month, which is why I call it a great success. At the end of July, we hit almost 16,000 children accessing the offer, which obviously means that there are 16,000 families benefiting from this, and the feedback that we have had from parents is that they have been able to\u2014. They've got more money available, which is obvious, which is great, because obviously more money is available to plunge into the economy and carry out that sort of thing, and we've got examples of parents who've been supported into work through programmes like Parents, Childcare and Employment to begin with, and then have gone on to access the offer. So, that's again a progression. So, I think we are seeing signs that people are moving on, have got more ability to be flexible in the work that they're doing, but I hope that when we look at it again, we will be able to see people actually moving into work because of having the access to childcare.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. Before\u2014", "Lynne Neagle AM : Are you going to move on? Si\u00e2n's got a supplementary.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Just a question on funding for the childcare offer. If you foresee that there's going to be more people going to be taking up that offer through the fact that you're marketing it more, what if the same situation arises that has happened on Anglesey? The take-up has been very good there, but the money that the Welsh Government has been allocating to Anglesey doesn't match that. What if it happens in every local authority right across Wales? Are you confident there's going to be plenty of money available to respond to that demand?", "Julie Morgan AM : Based on the current levels of take-up and looking at the rates of increase each month, we expect to spend in the region of \u00a350 million to \u00a355 million in this financial year. Our published plans already include the provision of \u00a340 million, and we're absolutely committed to making available the total funding that is needed to deliver on the offer. It is fantastic to see the offer being so well received on Ynys M\u00f4n, recognising, as Janet said earlier, it is demand led. We are managing it within the normal budgetary process. Local authorities will get the full funding that is needed. It's this year now that the big increase has happened; the previous two years\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, local authorities won't have to find the extra money out of their own pots.", "Julie Morgan AM : No, absolutely not. This is funded by the Welsh Government.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes. You can assure them." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 50, "turns": [ 5, 46 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation , investment , responsibility , draft strategy", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton said that evaluation was really important. Sian Gwenllian AM asked about the level of investment needed to implement the plan of reducing childhood obesity and also asked how they were going to avoid situations where it's everyone's role, but nobody's responsibility.", "title": "Opinions on Evaluation, Investment, and Responsibility of the Draft Strategy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 28, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "evaluation , investment , responsibility , draft strategy", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton said that evaluation was really important and they needed to have a strong evaluation of whatever they were going to produce at the end of the process and also a proper evaluation of the various programs they had. Sian Gwenllian AM asked if they have made an assessment of the level of investment needed to implement the reduction of childhood obesity. Dr Frank Atherton said they do make investments in a number of areas relating to child health particularly obesity and overweight and so the question of resourcing was important. Sian Gwenllian AM also asked how they were going to create a system that coordinated action and driver change across relevant partners while avoiding a situation where it was everyone's role, but nobody's responsibility. Dr Frank Atherton said leadership was really important and that they needed some sort of structure to lead and provide oversight that would push the drive.", "title": "Opinions on Evaluation, Investment, and Responsibility of the Draft Strategy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 28, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton said they were not ruling out having a target and they may actually as well need one but the target has to balance deliverability with a challenge.", "title": "Best Target for Wales", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "target", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton said the advice was not that they don't need a target as they may well need a target and that was one of the issues they needed to consult on but that the target to halve the prevalence of obesity in children was adopted in England and in Scotland and it was more aspirational than deliverable and so if they were to choose a target in Wales, then it needed to balance deliverability with a challenge.", "title": "Best Target for Wales", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "investment", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton said resourcing would be important and they currently made investments in a number of areas that were related to child health generally, and of course, obesity and overweight in particular, and that they could not quantify an absolute amount of resource that would be needed to deliver until they know exactly what was going to come out of the consultation and what actions they might want to deliver to a greater degree in Wales. Dr Frank Atherton said a figure of \u00a38 million to \u00a310 million a year was banded on what they needed to invest.", "title": "Investment Aimed at Reducing Childhood Obesity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "investment", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton; Resourcing will be important; We currently do make investments in a number of areas that relate to child health generally, and, of course, obesity and overweight in particular.", "title": "Investment Aimed at Reducing Childhood Obesity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leadership", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM asked how they were going to create a system that coordinated action and driven changes across relevant partners while avoiding situations where it was everyone's role, but nobody's responsibility. Dr Frank Atherton said that was around leadership and driving nationally and that leadership would be really important and they would need some sort of structure to lead and provide oversight and that the leadership comes from the top down so they would be looking for local leadership through directors of public health and indeed through chief executives to work with their public services boards on that", "title": "Hierarchy of Leadership", "relevant_turns": [ [ 40, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "leadership", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM; how; create a system that coordinates action and drives change across relevant partners; Dr Frank Atherton; be looking for local leadership through directors of public health and indeed through chief executives to work with their public services boards on this.", "title": "Hierarchy of Leadership", "relevant_turns": [ [ 40, 41 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : And you've got a structured programme, have you, to roll that out? Okay. Thank you. We've got some questions now on leadership, and the first questions are from Si\u00e2n Gwenllian.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Good morning. I'll be speaking in Welsh. The Minister for health said yesterday, in answering a question from me on the Chamber floor, that you gave him advice not to have a target in terms of reducing obesity among children. Could you confirm that that's what your advice was and tell us why you don't think that a target is needed?", "Dr Frank Atherton : My advice was not that we don't need a target\u2014we may well need a target, and that's one of the issues we need to consult on\u2014but that the target that had been adopted in England and in Scotland to halve the prevalence of obesity in children was more aspirational than deliverable, and that if we are to choose a target in Wales, then we need to balance deliverability with challenge. We need a challenging environment. So, there is something about performance management, because I would be looking to not just the health system but the health and care system and to public services boards to think about how they're delivering on this, and I think we can use targets to that. But they are one tool in the box that I would think we could use, and part of the consultation is to ask that question\u2014'If we are to go down a route in Wales of choosing a target, what might that look like?'", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. So, to be clear, you're not ruling out that maybe we would need a target.", "Dr Frank Atherton : It's certainly something that we could consider in terms of the final strategy.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And is that your opinion too?", "Nathan Cook : Yes.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. Well, that is contrary to what I was told yesterday on the floor of the Chamber by the Minister, but there we go. I'm glad to hear that you're not ruling out having a target, because without a target, without something to aim for, how do we know that we're getting there?", "Dr Frank Atherton : I think your point about evaluation is really important. Whatever we produce at the end of this process\u2014and we're looking to produce a final strategy towards the autumn\u2014we do need to have a strong evaluation. So, some metrics in there, it would seem, would be appropriate, but what those are, what the nature of those are, do we frame them as targets or ambitions\u2014that's the point we need to consult on.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. And the other point, of course, is the investment. If the Government is going to be successful in terms of the aim of reducing childhood obesity, then it needs to fund and support the actions. Have you made an assessment of the level of investment needed to implement this plan?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Resourcing will be important. We currently do make investments in a number of areas that relate to child health generally, and, of course, obesity and overweight in particular. So, the question of resourcing is important. Now, we can't quantify an absolute amount of resource that will be needed to deliver until we know exactly what's going to come out of the consultation and what actions we might want to deliver to a greater degree in Wales. A figure of \u00a38 million to \u00a310 million a year has been banded around as a broad kind of area of what we might need to invest, but that would need to be drawn from existing programmes. We need to look at existing programmes, how effective they are. Can we make them more effective? Can we get better value from them? And there may well be a case for new investment, and that's a question, of course, that would need to be discussed with Ministers when we're producing the final strategy.", "Nathan Cook : But I think a key consideration as well is we already know there is investment across health boards in some kind of obesity-related services. So, I think what we really need to think about across Wales is how we can drive greater scale, how we can look at current programmes in terms of making sure that they're better evaluated, and how we can make sure that we're also drawing up on the existing resources and capacity out there as well.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And does the level of investment depend on what the target is\u2014what the goal is?", "Dr Frank Atherton : I don't think you can necessarily just link the two. The issue of resourcing is one that's there irrespective of whether we choose to put a target in place.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But how would we know that it's being used effectively if there isn't something to aim for?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Which brings you back to the question about evaluation. We need proper evaluation of the various programmes that we have.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes, but without a target, how can you properly evaluate? If you don't know what you're trying to do, how can you properly evaluate? Anyway, you're open to suggestions about having a target, which is great. Would you agree that Government could use the revenue that's being produced through the levy on soft drinks towards some of these efforts to\u2014?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, of course, there are some consequentials that are coming to the Welsh Government as part of the levy on sugary soft drinks. That funding, of course, is less than we had anticipated, and that reflects, actually, a success story because industry is reformulating, and so the amount of sugar in soft drinks is already starting to decrease, which is a good thing. But to your question:\u00a0should we use the funding? Well, of course we should use funding. I'm not personally in favour of hypothecation, I think I'm more interested in the totality of resource that goes into public health programmes than into marginal resource. There are, of course, a number of initiatives that we currently fund through the general revenue. And when I think about obesity, I don't just think about the relatively small marginal amounts of money that come in through whatever source, but I think about the totality of the \u00a37 billion we spend in health and social care and how we can divert and channel some of that towards broad prevention initiatives in general, and towards tackling being overweight and obesity in particular.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : You're saying that it's less than expected. Could you give us any kind of figure?", "Dr Frank Atherton : I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?", "Sian Gwenllian AM : You say that there is less money that's come in through these consequentials from the levy, can you mention some sort of figure?", "Dr Frank Atherton : The figure that I have in mind is about \u00a356 million that's coming in in terms of revenue over a two-year period. But I'd have to confirm that with the committee. What the anticipated\u2014. When the sugar levy was first brought in, there was some modelling at UK level about what level of revenue that would bring, but it was based on the amount of sugar that was currently then in drinks and the fact that the sugar has reduced in drinks, I mean, the total amount available to the UK is less and hence our consequentials are less. Nathan may have some precise figures.", "Nathan Cook : Yes, I was going to say, there was a mid-year report done where the levy has raised \u00a3150 million to date since coming into force in April, and the original forecast was \u00a3520 million a year. So, I think that shows the amount of work that's been done by industry around reformulation.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And the consequentials of that? That is the consequential\u2014\u00a3150 million.", "Nathan Cook : On a UK level.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes, so what's the Welsh consequential?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Fifty-six.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Fifty-six? Gosh, that sounds a lot. Anyway, it's a good sum of money and you're talking about investing \u00a38 million to \u00a310 million. So, obviously, you know, we can be more ambitious because there is money in that pot if that money was ring-fenced for this particular scheme.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, the resource is going to be a real issue that we need to address, and I think as Nathan has said, there is funding of various initiatives currently in the system, and we need to look at that and make that as effective as possible. Will there be a need for some additional resource? There may well be, and that's a question that we'll have to look at in terms of the strategy when we develop it and have a discussion with Ministers about the level of resourcing.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thanks. Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : The last question from me, about partnership working. You're putting an emphasis on the whole-system approach in implementing the plan, how are you going to create a system that co-ordinates action and drives change across relevant partners, avoiding a situation where it's everyone's role, but nobody's responsibility? How are you going to avoid that?", "Dr Frank Atherton : It's a very important question, and one of the four strands in the consultation is exactly related to that, around leadership and drive nationally. I'm not interested in producing a strategy that sits on a shelf. If you look around the world, there are plenty of obesity strategies. You may notice, by the way, that we've chosen not to talk about an obesity strategy but a healthy weight strategy, because I think having a positive construct is really quite important to us here in Wales. But leadership will be really important, and we will need some sort of structure to lead this, to provide oversight. I'm not a great believer in creating new structures, so we do need something that will give that drive, but the leadership comes from the top down. We need political commitment to this, and that's why I welcome the input from this committee. So, that needs to be assured. And then we need to make sure that the public sector generally is engaged in this, but it goes way beyond the public sector, of course, because we have to work with industry, and we have to work with communities, and we have to work with the public on this. So we need to think about our governance system for this and how we drive it forward. Interestingly, we had quite a large discussion two days ago between health and social care, but also involving the third sector and some members of the public, around how can we drive prevention more generally. It wasn't specifically on obesity, but of course obesity came up because it's such a pressing issue. This question of governance was discussed quite extensively, and we do have governance systems, of course, in Wales. We have public services boards, we have regional partnership boards, and how we can get those aligned behind this common agenda is really important. But I'd like to see\u2014and I know I'm a public health professional, so I know that only maybe 10 per cent, 15 per cent, possibly 20 per cent of what makes and keeps us healthy as individuals and as communities can be driven through the health system; but I would like the system to step up and take these kinds of issues more seriously as well. So I'd be looking for local leadership through directors of public health and indeed through chief executives to work with their public services boards on this. So, we'll need some sort of national oversight, absolutely, but we need local ownership and local leadership, too." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 58, 381 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing ranked principal characteristics in ascending order of importance from easy to use up to the style of the remote control. To be able to sell to the target group, the youngsters, it was important for the remote control to have a fancy look and a nice feel. The fancy look would be obtained by using fruit and vegetable colours, while the enjoyable feel would be obtained with the spongy effect and they agreed to use rubber. Finally, they decided to go with the curved design.", "title": "Team's Decision for the Style of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 6, [ 12, 20 ], [ 27, 37 ], [ 41, 64 ], [ 72, 83 ], [ 127, 130 ], [ 314, 323 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team was reviewing the principal characteristic the remote control should have. Marketing ranked them in ascending order of importance, from easy to use up to the most valuable characteristic: the style of the remote control. To be able to sell to the target group, the youngsters, it was important for the remote control to have a fancy look and a nice feel. The fancy look would be obtained by using fruit and vegetables colours, while the enjoyable feel would be obtained with the spongy effect. To illustrate this concept, the Siemens model C twenty-five was used. To provide the spongy effect without being a real sponge, they agreed to use rubber. That characteristic would also be very useful to offer the possibility to sell exchangeable covers. Finally, between four different design for the casing: the non-curved flat case, the single curved, the curved in two dimensions and even a curved in three dimension, they decided to go with the curved design., similar to the form of a wave.", "title": "Team's Decision for the Style of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 11, 22 ], [ 27, 37 ], [ 41, 64 ], [ 72, 83 ], [ 127, 129 ], [ 314, 323 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "material , remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team recalled the decision was made to focus on the young group. The younger group was more receptive to colourful objects and to the spongy feel. The team added to provide the spongy feeling without being a real sponge, the use of soft colourful materials was necessary. Rubber possessed all those characteristics: the spongy feel, the possibility to be colourful and to be a soft material. The choice to use rubber was also allowing to create exchangeable covers.", "title": "Team's Decision for the Material", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 6, 11, [ 27, 41 ], [ 47, 50 ], [ 75, 76 ], [ 95, 100 ], [ 299, 306 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "material , remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team recalled the older group preferred dark colours, simple shapes and familiar material such as wood, but the decision was already made to target the young group. The younger group was more receptive to colourful objects, such as fruit and vegetables and to the spongy feel, most probably linked to a more natural feeling. The team also added it shouldn't be too slippery and to provide the spongy feeling without being a real sponge, the use of soft colourful materials was necessary. Rubber possessed all those characteristics: the spongy feel, the possibility to be colourful and to be a soft material. The choice to use rubber was also allowing the team to create exchangeable covers, like for cell phones. The example of the Bananarama telephone from Siemens was particularly very convincing.", "title": "Team's Decision for the Material", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 6 ], 11, [ 27, 41 ], [ 47, 54 ], [ 75, 76 ], [ 95, 100 ], [ 296, 306 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "single-curved design , remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Manager informed they had four different casing possible styles. The uncurved flat case, the curved, the curved in two dimension and even one in three dimension. The first option, a square box, was considered too dull. The double and the triple dimension shape would not allow the use of the scroll-wheels. Therefore, the single-curved design was the best option.", "title": "Team's Decision for Single-Curved Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 130 ], [ 314, 323 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "single-curved design , remote control style", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team chose the single-curved design because it was the only one to allow the use of the scroll-wheels and it was not too dull.", "title": "Team's Decision for Single-Curved Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 130 ], [ 314, 323 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dark colours , simple shapes , spongy material , much sponge bob , younger group", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing defined two distinct groups: the older group and the younger group. The older group preferred dark colours, simple shapes and familiar material. In opposition, the younger group liked more colourful soft material objects such as spongy material. Probably for watching too much Sponge Bob, ironized Marketing. Marketing recalled they should concentrate on the younger group since it was their target group.", "title": "Marketing Defined the Target Group", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 19 ], [ 37, 43 ], [ 297, 307 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "dark colours , simple shapes , spongy material , much sponge bob , younger group", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing recalled they should concentrate on the younger group since it was their target group. The younger group liked more colourful soft material objects such as spongy material. Probably for watching too much Sponge Bob, ironized Marketing. The older group preferred dark colours, simple shapes and familiar material. One way to provide both for the young and the old what they like would be to create exchangeable covers, same as with cell phones.", "title": "Marketing Defined the Target Group", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 19 ], [ 33, 43 ], [ 297, 307 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "important , ease , important thing , use", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought it would be important to recall what was the most important thing for the customers. Project manager ranked those themes according to the target group. Project manager recalled colouring and soft materials were important.", "title": "The Most Important Thing for the Customers", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 11, 12 ], [ 72, 82 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "important , ease , important thing , use", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought it would be important to recall what was the most important thing for the customers. Project manager ranked those themes from important to the most important according to the target group. Project manager started with ease of use to end up with fancy look and feel, and recalled colouring and soft materials were important.", "title": "The Most Important Thing for the Customers", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 11, 12 ], [ 72, 82 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Well , findings . Uh {disfmarker} Ease of use is important , but uh innovation is more important , and a fancy look and feel is uh even more important . And uh some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables in their uh clothes , shoes and furniture ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and that they want spongy material . Probably watch too much Sponge Bob .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh the older group uh still prefers dark colours . Simple shapes {gap} uh m material . But we {disfmarker} since we are concentrating on uh the younger group {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh w wait a sec wait a se", "Industrial Designer : Oh wait uh wait up .", "Project Manager : uh could you go to the previous slide ? Um because I'm taking minutes", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Um were the important themes enclose . Yeah {gap} okay . The feel of {gap} to be spongy {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh so do you think um when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also ?", "Marketing : Well , uh one example given was this , so um I assume they just want something colourful . Not uh specifically uh an apple as a remote control or something .", "Industrial Designer : Not something dull .", "User Interface : But they like dark colours ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : you said in the p", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No , uh the younger group likes uh more colourful uh objects .", "User Interface : Okay . Well then I suggest that the corporate colours are grey and yellow .", "Marketing : But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I had {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But can you can you go back to that slide ? The {disfmarker} uh", "Marketing : Which one ?", "Industrial Designer : just one slide back ,", "Marketing : This ?", "Industrial Designer : no no no . Yes . Okay , and the feel of the material has to be spongy .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Has it something to do with that uh natural feeling also , do you think ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh well , it might .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But personally I wouldn't like a sponge as a remote control . But {disfmarker} Maybe soft material or something . But not a real sponge .", "Project Manager : Okay , so so , yeah , it might not be t uh it it shouldn't be too hard . It it {disfmarker} maybe it rubber or or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , exactly .", "Project Manager : yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , and like uh the older group likes familiar materials ,", "User Interface : Or we could make {disfmarker} oh .", "Marketing : but that doesn't mean we should use wood , So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : Well , this this is an example of what they would like . But since we're conten concentrating on uh the younger group , I think we should use soft materials and uh make it colourful or uh like cell phones , exch exchangeable covers .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So we could provide both for the young and the old what they like .", "Project Manager : Well , that's interesting .", "Industrial Designer : It's quite interesting . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You could make a few v very colourful ones , and uh a very traditional co cover .", "User Interface : Yeah , o o I'm thinking about uh the Bananarama telephone uh {vocalsound} telephone from uh Siemens . The yellow uh rubber telephone .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : It's the it's the rubber uh cover .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it is , it is i yeah .", "User Interface : And it's uh colourful .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : It looks likes a banana . {vocalsound} We have the fruit , we have the colours . {vocalsound} We have the simple design .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Do you know the phone ?", "Industrial Designer : I don't know the phone ,", "Project Manager : It's the Siemens uh C_ twenty five ,", "Industrial Designer : but I can imagine it .", "Project Manager : I believe it's it's the one the Post-bank uh gave away ,", "User Interface : Um thirty five .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , that one , yes .", "Project Manager : the very {disfmarker}", "User Interface : And the b the light blue and {vocalsound} it's also in yellow .", "Industrial Designer : Now I kn uh {disfmarker} oh , I know , I know . Yes , I I've seen it . I've seen it .", "Project Manager : You kn you know , Ruud , as well ? About th", "Marketing : I've seen it ,", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay . Um uh", "Marketing : but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : okay . Do you have {gap} {disfmarker} uh thit {disfmarker} that was {disfmarker}", "Marketing : 'Kay . Uh that's about it .", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound} Okay , so the the m uh important findings are uh innovation is more important than ease of use for the {disfmarker} our target group .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : And um colouring is important and and uh soft materials .", "Marketing : Uh soft material .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} So ease of use is important , but technology is twice as important . And what was even more important ?", "Marketing : Uh the fancy look and feel .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So that's the most important thing for our customers .", "Marketing : Yes . Apparently .", "Project Manager : Okay , Roo ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : could you do your presentation ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Well , I don't ha really have much to add , um because most of things we already said in uh the previous uh discussion . Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , well it's good to to sum up uh the things we already thought about .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Uh the previous ideas were voice recognition and uh the round button for uh the p channel programming and uh volume . Well , a few interface I uh I found on the internet are are these . These are both with uh with voice recognition , but they're very advanced and very high-tech and {vocalsound} just um , well , a weird um shape .", "Project Manager : Shape .", "User Interface : So I suggest {disfmarker} I couldn't uh {disfmarker} I had a small uh mock-up uh {vocalsound} sign on the {vocalsound} on {gap} paper .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But it didn't work . My pen didn't load um the information . So I made a really simple {vocalsound} f uh a shape on uh {disfmarker} in um PowerPoint . But we could make uh a round uh an oval uh um remote control . Uh yellow .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . But it's it's kind of uh it's kind of o organic , so that's very good .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And what I'm thinking about , maybe um we should make very light but um uh a grip um {disfmarker} I mean this is how you hold a remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Um it shouldn't be too uh glatt , too slippery ,", "Industrial Designer : Slippery .", "Project Manager : s because um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But if you have something like uh the Siemens phone , it's rubber .", "Industrial Designer : You have to grab it .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , exactly .", "User Interface : So it's easy in your hand {disfmarker} Uh indeed .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . There are there are also remote controls who have uh a little shape underneath where you can put your fingers in ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , ex for your fingers , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so you can get a really good grip on it . So you you don't have to um attain much pressure to it . It's it's a lot easier .", "Project Manager : Yeah . It grips automatically . Yeah , {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So m Yes .", "Project Manager : okay .", "Industrial Designer : But I'll I'll go into that deeper in my presentation .", "Project Manager : Okay , good .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Great . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh and um to add on um Ruud's information , in this um interface we can have uh high-tech with the voice recognition and uh , well , the the fancy colours and uh and so on , and still have the ease of use , because we have an easy interface . And all the other remote controls are high-tech in buttons and uh and so on .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Way too much I think for our goal ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "User Interface : So if you have the voice recognition , you can {vocalsound} you can programme like thirty uh um thirty c uh controls on it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , b but I think we'll {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , but I'll I'll go into that ,", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : because there are are some possibilities and some impossibilities . Um I had a talk with uh our manufacturing uh division , and uh we had a talk about all the different components um who are in this design . Uh these are the things we've looked at . And of course I used the web to uh find my information . About the casing , we have three different casing possibilities . We have the uncurved or flat case . Uh that's the most common uh remote con control form uh we're used to is just a {disfmarker} it ju it's just a box . I'm sorry I I don't have any pictures of uh of this thing . {vocalsound} We have uh a curved one . It's uh curved in two dimensions . You have to imagine it's a bit like a wave form . So it's uh a little more advanced in its in its shape .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh and we have an even more advanced uh shape , which is curved in three dimension . I c I think you can compare it a little bit with the uh big grey image uh you had in your presentation . The the big remote control , something like that .", "User Interface : Yeah . Right .", "User Interface : But what about um the markets {vocalsound} uh wants colourfuls uh designs ? So if you use titanium {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No no , but the uh um {disfmarker} that's what Sebastian said .", "Industrial Designer : The titanium thing uh we have to skip it . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : He said uh this is what uh this is my personal preference . But but yet , I understood that the market is different .", "User Interface : Okay . Oh ,", "Project Manager : So um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : sorry . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So I think we should skip the titanium uh stuff ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and we should uh use wood or something like that .", "Project Manager : No ,", "User Interface : And I would think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And", "Project Manager : r", "Marketing : yeah ,", "Project Manager : rubber with colours .", "Marketing : the {disfmarker} yeah , the older people liked wood .", "Industrial Designer : Oh okay , sorry . So it it needs to be rubber .", "Marketing : No the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Colourful and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , the younger people liked soft material .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , spongy materials .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , um well um these scroll-wheels , I think uh they they can be they can be handy .", "User Interface : And they can be implemented with a regular chip ?", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} Yes , they can . But they really need the regular chip , you cannot use the sa simple {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay , but we also {disfmarker} uh we already need the regular chip for the sample uh sensor speaker {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , I'm not very sure . Maybe that's an uh {disfmarker} a different {disfmarker}", "User Interface : oh ,", "Project Manager : But but do we want the curved uh uh design ,", "User Interface : evalu", "Project Manager : or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} I think so , if you if you stick with the the simple uh straight-forward uh not curve design , i uh it's too dull .", "Project Manager : I it's too dull . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think c our customers will like it .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And um if you uh take the double-curved , uh then you cannot {disfmarker} um you can only use the rubber buttons and you cannot use the scroll-wheels .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So I think this is the best of two worlds ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 8, "turns": [ 0, 3 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "annual report , provisions", "speaker": "Hon . Bill Blair ( Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness )" }, "summary": "Hon. Bill Blair led the presentation of the 2019 annual report on the RCMPs use of the law enforcement justification provisions, within the law enforcement justification regime.", "title": "RCMPs Usage of Law Enforcement Provisions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "annual report , provisions", "speaker": "Hon . Bill Blair ( Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness )" }, "summary": "Hon. Bill Blair, the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness had put on agenda a 2019 annual report about justification provisions on the utilization of law enforcement. This was in relation with RCMP's usage of such provisions.", "title": "Report on Law Enforcement-Related Provisions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] } ], "source": [ "The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)) : I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the 20thmeeting of the Special Committee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. As a reminder to all members, in order to avoid issues with sound, members participating in person should not be connected to the video conference. I want to remind those who are participating by video conference that, when they talk, they must use the channel that corresponds to the language they are speaking in. As usual, please direct your remarks through the chair. We are moving on to ministerial announcements. I understand that there are no ministerial announcements today, so we'll move on. We will now move on to document submissions. The honourable minister, Mr. Blair.", "Hon. Bill Blair (Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) : Mr. Chair, today I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the 2019 annual report on the RCMPs use of the law enforcement justification provisions. This report addresses the RCMP's use of specified provisions within the law enforcement justification regime, which is set out in subsections 25 to 25 of the Criminal Code. This report also documents the nature of the investigations in which these provisions were used.", "The Chair : On tabling of documents, we have Minister Sajjan.", "Hon. Harjit S. Sajjan (Minister of National Defence) : Mr. Chair, pursuant to Standing Order 32, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the 2018-19 progress report on Canada's national action plan for the implementation of United Nations Security Council resolutions on women, peace and security." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 49, "turns": [ 0, 57 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "result , marketing research , fashion trends", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing presented some recent results they had looking at some remote control market research and fashion trends around the world. The fashion trends they got from talking to their contacts in the fashion industry based in Paris and Milan. 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Okay .", "User Interface : I s", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : No , no , you you can start .", "Project Manager : So start , uh", "Marketing : Okay , I'll start . Can you open my presentation ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : please .", "Project Manager : Uh . {gap}", "Marketing : I'm number four .", "Project Manager : This one ?", "Marketing : Trend . Yep . Can you pass the mouse , please . {vocalsound} Oh okay , that's fine .", "Project Manager : Turn .", "Marketing : Okay . Um so basically I just want to presented to you {disfmarker} present to you some recent results we've had from um looking at uh um some remote control market research and some fashion trends around the world . Um the fashion trends we got from talking to our our contacts in the fashion industry based in Paris and Milan . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} so f from our market research basically we've come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel , um as opposed to a functional look and feel , is our number one priority . Um fancy is is is is the , you know , highest priority .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : Secondly um that our remote control needs to be techn technologically innovative . Um so this is t number two priority but it's two times less important as the fancy criteria . Um and third thirdly the easiness of use is is the um is is important as well , but again two times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remote control . {vocalsound} From our f fashion people in Paris and Milan , um we've discovered that this year um fruit the fruit and vegetable motif will be the most important thing in in clothes , shoes and furniture . So , {vocalsound} I'm pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category . And also um the feel of material this year um is expected to be spongy .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Um so hopefully our remote control reflects that s in some way .", "Industrial Designer : What does it mean , spongy ?", "Marketing : Uh sort of um squishy .", "Industrial Designer : Like soft , or something ?", "Marketing : Um . Yeah soft ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : like a uh like a sponge .", "Project Manager : Like a sponge . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I don't know . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . I will see .", "Marketing : Um so in conclusion , we need a our remote control needs to be something that's really fancy , um has lots of technolog tech technology in it . {vocalsound} Um somehow would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with a spongy feel .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And that it's easy to use and from our last meeting our you know Fabian told us that w you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of our {disfmarker} of th the Real Reaction company . 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I'm gonna join you at the table . {vocalsound} Well what what's the most uh important thing at a remote control ?", "User Interface : Um well I think the most important thing of a remote control is that you can switch channels . And my opinion is you should keep it as basic as possible . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . So not a not a remote control who uh uh which can uh can be used for television and a D_V_D_ and radio and {disfmarker} Or just only {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . I think so . Uh but I have some points . Can I show them on the on the big screen ? Maybe ?", "Project Manager : If you have them on uh {disfmarker} I can uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah , I can find {disfmarker} Uh .", "Project Manager : Okay . Oh , in case you want it {disfmarker} This is a dead kind of fly . Between the the the , yeah , the the uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Screen ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , be The screens .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Is it possible to open pen drawings in this uh on this screen ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No no no . Only {disfmarker} All the drawings go there , at the left uh {disfmarker} {gap}", "User Interface : Uh but um which {disfmarker} The ones we made on the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh , that pen drawings . Uh no , I think uh when it is uh in Word and you have saved it in the Shared Documents folder , you can show it there .", "User Interface : Oh , only in Word ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : okay .", "Marketing : Okay , I have some uh points from marketing point of view .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um just the standard thing li things like uh intuitive , uh small , fairly cheap . Uh it's pretty cheap , twenty five Euros . Uh brand independent . Um I think , it doesn't have to matter uh which brand your T_V_ or other thing is . Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . Five minutes .", "Marketing : Five minutes ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay , I'll wrap it up quickly . Um I personally think it has to be multi-purpose .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Uh most of the remote c uh remote controls are uh just for one purpose .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : And uh by making it multi-purpose , it uh has a new feature , adds a new feature to the market , and distinguish from uh from current products .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um maybe some other technology than infrared . Uh I rather find it very annoying um , like when someone is standing in front of the T_V_ then you can't switch it . Um {vocalsound} think about um sending it over radio waves or bluetooth .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "Marketing : That might be a little bit uh expensive . Um {disfmarker} And something like an L_C_D_ screen .", "User Interface : For what purpose ?", "Marketing : Um uh like I said here um {disfmarker} Maybe it's easy . It's nice as an added feature feature , that um , {vocalsound} when you're on a certain channel , you can see on the L_C_D_ screen uh what programmes are coming up or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . So it be uh a multi-purpose uh very technically uh high uh", "Marketing : From my point of view , yeah .", "Project Manager : remote ? Yeah , it must be really uh innovative , technical-wise ?", "Marketing : Yeah , it has to be uh {disfmarker} Yeah , our company is very uh good in making new innovative uh things .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So yeah , I I agree with you .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} We {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So i i i i", "Project Manager : So we must focus on things who are really uh really add something to uh to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : To the current market .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Look , {vocalsound} you got some cheap uh remote controls there . They just uh {disfmarker} Yeah , you got a dozen of 'em .", "Project Manager : No .", "Marketing : But when you enter a new market with a remote control and", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : uh wanna gain market share", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : you have to do something special , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah . But we have to keep an eye that it's {disfmarker} Uh at the beginning of such a project , it's it's it's very uh cool to talk about , well , this would be cool , that would be cool .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh but we must not uh lose uh sight of the the user uh uh friendly uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , of course .", "User Interface : And and the price . {gap}", "Marketing : But it's {disfmarker} But but this is just from marketing uh aspect ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 26, "turns": [ 0, 110 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "market trend", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing found out the most important aspect was a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look and feel. It must have been very different from ordinary remote controls. It should have been technologically innovative what stood for new technical features. Also in contrast to last year, the feel of the material had to be spongy.", "title": "Remote Control and Market Trends", "relevant_turns": [ 37, 44, 58 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "market trend", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said remote control had to look nice, be usable, very basic with not too many buttons . Light should switch on if a button was used. Text TV still had to be available. The functions mentioned were volume, channel to choose channels, an on-off, a mute button and a text TV button. Marketing found out the most important aspect for remote controls was to be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look and feel. It must have been very different from ordinary remote controls. A remote control should have been technologically innovative what stood for new technical features. Also in contrast to last year, the feel of material was expected to be spongy.", "title": "Expectations for New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 37, 44, 58 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spongy remote , market trend", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing discovered the product's feel had to be spongy but had no idea what the term really meant and asked the team for explanation.", "title": "Marketing's Doubts About the Term Spongy", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 60, 71 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "spongy remote , market trend", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing; the feel of material; expected to be spongy; didn't knew; what it means", "title": "Defining Spongy", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 60, 71 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recommend , technology innovation", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing said some new technology must be used. User Interface received an email from the technology department which researched about more possibilities with speech and recommended using it.", "title": "New Possibilities in Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 54 ], [ 103, 105 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "recommend , technology innovation", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing said some of the new technology must be used to be innovative and not exist in current remote controls although it was very hard. User Interface received an email from the technology department which had done research about possibilities with speech and said it was recommended to use it.", "title": "Technology Department's Recommendations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 54 ], [ 103, 105 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Bonjour .", "User Interface : It won't wake up . Yeah . I was a bit early . Like {disfmarker} What ?", "Marketing : Why ?", "User Interface : No , I just came in . Uh normally I was one of them .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Come on .", "Project Manager : Hello .", "Marketing : Check check check check .", "Project Manager : Oop .", "User Interface : Why won't it wake up ? Is it on ?", "Marketing : The power light doesn't work . You turned it off .", "User Interface : But how ? Ah , there it is .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : I received an email with uh a few possibilities on uh the materials . So I'll discuss them with you .", "Project Manager : Okay , we're just going to the {gap} later .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , I received an email as well .", "Project Manager : So we're going to talk about the conceptual model .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : Hmm .", "User Interface : Which one was mine ?", "Project Manager : So that's me .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh okay . So {disfmarker} Uh okay . Okay , so I just show you the m the no mm mm the the the the the the minutes , minute . {gap} What's it called , I dunno . Whatever .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : The minutes .", "Project Manager : Okay , so we just talked about uh {disfmarker} Oh you want me to show that there or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm no .", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "User Interface : just tell us .", "Project Manager : we just talked about it looks . Has to look nice . Usability is very important . People don't want to spend money on something that's similar to cheaper ones . Um {disfmarker} It has to be very basic , not too many buttons . Light switches on if you use a button . Uh text T_V_ still has to be a possibility . And it has to be easy to learn . That were the things I uh make minutes of . And the functions are volume , channel to choose channels , an on-off , a mute uh button , and a text T_V_ button . That are the functions . That right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : So I just want to give you uh Mike again , the first uh presentation of your {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Shall I start ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap} {vocalsound} No . Okay well {disfmarker} I received an email {disfmarker} Okay . I searched the web , uh and uh I searched uh on this d document , recent investigation of the remote control market . It has been done in Italy uh Italy and in uh another country in Europe , I forget it . Uh but uh they found out the most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look and feel . So it's very important for us to create something new . So what Michael just said , it must be uh some very different from ordinary uh remote controls . Fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and interface . Uh this uh aspect is the most important one . Uh it came out of the research . It uh is twice important as the following . {vocalsound} The second uh most important aspect is that a remote control should it uh technological innovative . Uh that stands for uh uh new technical uh features . And then uh that uh {disfmarker} This is a point of discussion , because we just decided that we don't make use of uh L_C_D_ or uh speech recognition .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : But um {vocalsound} this is the second uh important uh aspect , and I think uh we must use some of the new technology , to be uh innovative .", "Project Manager : But we already have the flashing flashing light on the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh maybe maybe something new .", "User Interface : Yeah , more .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : We have to discuss about it s uh {disfmarker} Okay , uh {gap}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Well , I'll I'll get back on it .", "Marketing : features not uh do not exist in current remote controls . And that's very hard I think . Uh the third one is the aspect of the remote control should be easy to use . But uh that was an overall uh point . We already discussed that . Um I've got one picture . Uh d our our target group uh we thought about was young and trendy .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So I took uh that part of the webpage . And it says uh fashion-watchers of uh uh Pari {vocalsound} uh France and uh Italy , yeah , uh have detected the following trends . This trends I th uh trend I think it's not um that meaningful for us , maybe . But it's about uh clothes and shoes .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Marketing : But the uh the next uh aspect also in contrast to last year , the feel of material is expe uh uh is expected to be spongy .", "User Interface : Spongy .", "Marketing : But spongy , what what does spongy says ?", "Industrial Designer : Spongy .", "User Interface : Spongy , like sponge .", "Marketing : Spongy . Okay . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So rubber , kind of .", "User Interface : Uh soft materials .", "Project Manager : But maybe th that's al definitely a good idea ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground . So it has to be {vocalsound} flexible .", "User Interface : Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah , it's something that uh it stand there . But I didn't knew uh knew what it means . So spongy means y Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's like a sponge .", "User Interface : Soft , sponge .", "Marketing : So it's also a stress-ball .", "Project Manager : That's a good {disfmarker} That's a good idea . If it's de like that . That's good , a good idea .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , somewhat like {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Is it a bit like like the the the the {gap} remote control ?", "User Interface : How are you gonna make it ?", "Project Manager : R_ soft .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I've some uh material uh information , but I'll give you it later in my presentation .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What do I think ? Uh because a fancy look is the most important thing uh for remote control uh control , I think about changeable fronts .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Uh maybe a see-through one in a a fruit front . Because it's uh it's hot .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And uh some basic uh colour fronts . {vocalsound} Uh so we can make uh five different fronts to start with or something . Uh maybe an extraordinary shape , like a sponge . {vocalsound} Uh or uh , yeah , just another shape than a normal uh remote control ha uh has .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Just uh something round in it , or uh maybe not uh not uh {disfmarker} Yeah , I dun dunno . We have to discuss about that . Uh y yeah . Main point uh still uh is the technolo technological innovative . Yeah , how do we do that ? Maybe speech ? We ma must have some kind of gadget .", "User Interface : Yeah , I'll get back on that .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's very uh difficult to to to do it .", "Marketing : Intro", "Project Manager : Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend on every remote control .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Well ,", "Marketing : Yeah , that's the problem . That's the main problem .", "User Interface : I got f also an email from the the technology department .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker} Maybe we watch the first uh the next two presentations .", "User Interface : They have done uh research about it , and uh even more possibilities now with speech . So they recommended using it .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : I'll check what they exact mean ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 44, "turns": [ 99, 156 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lessons , government , investment , Schools Challenge Cymru , improvement agenda", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if the government was serious about taking lessons from the investment of Schools Challenge Cymru and applying them to the wider school improvement agenda adding that Professor Mel Ainscow had identified six interconnected lessons. Kirsty Williams AM said they were absolutely determined that best practices and those interventions that drove school improvement were embedded in the new support that they had via the regional consortia and that those people that were really good and really made a difference didn't work for the Schools Challenge Cymru scheme anymore, they worked for our regional school improvement services. So, they were absolutely determined.", "title": "Government Lessons on School Improvement Agenda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "lessons , government , investment , Schools Challenge Cymru , improvement agenda", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if the government was serious about taking lessons from the three-year investment Schools Challenge Cymru and applying them to the wider school improvement agenda. Kirsty Williams AM said they were determined that best practices and those interventions that drove school improvement were embedded in the new support that they had via the regional consortia.", "title": "Government Lessons on School Improvement Agenda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "progress , Schools Challenge Cymru", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if they were confident that that level of momentum was continuing through the consortia that were previously enjoyed by those particular schools with minimal risk that they would slip back to where they were. Kirsty Williams AM said that there were some really good examples of some of the Schools Challenge Cymru schools making that sustained improvement now that the programme has come to an end giving examples of Tredegar and Armando in Eastern High School that have seen continual improvement and moving up through the categorization system but the challenge was for those schools that Schools Challenge Cymru didn't work for, and they haven't seen that progress.", "title": "Progressing Conditions of the Schools Challenge Cymru", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "progress , Schools Challenge Cymru", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if they were confident that that level of momentum was continuing through the consortia that were previously enjoyed by those particular schools. Kirsty Williams AM answered that they were convinced that where they've got good leadership and good support, some of those schools were making continued, sustained progress even after the end of the programme.", "title": "Progressing Conditions of the Schools Challenge Cymru", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "schools", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked why some schools made progress while others didn't. Kirsty Williams AM said one of the reasons why some schools did well was because their needs were not so complex.", "title": "Reasons for Variable Schools Progress", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "schools", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM; was just wondering what your assessment is as to why some schools made progress and others didn't; Kirsty Williams AM; the 39 schools that were part of the programme were in very, very different places; one of the reasons why some schools did well was because their needs were not so complex, not so deep-seated and a certain level of intervention was enough to get them moving forward; Some schools had very, very different needs.", "title": "Reasons for Variable Schools Progress", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "programme", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM said that programme such as Schools Challenge Cymru would probably need about five years to really have an impact. Kirsty Williams AM said that the programme was time-limited and the schools were aware of that.", "title": "Programme Time Limit", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "programme", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM said that evidence showed that this kind of programme such as Schools Challenge Cymru probably needed about five years to really have the impact that it was intended to have. Kirsty Williams AM said it was a time-limited programme and the schools were aware of that adding that evidence from across the UK showed that school challenge programmes have differed in time but they were able to secure investment from the Finance Minister to be able to secure the programme and run it and phase it out to make sure there was transition support.", "title": "Programme Time Limit", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scheme", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that Cardiff put extra funds of its own in to continue Schools Challenge Cymru advisers which meant they appreciated the value of the scheme and so suggested the Minister should have let it go on longer. Kirsty Williams AM said there were some people who thought the scheme was absolutely fantastic while others didn't think the scheme was helpful at all and it was a hindrance but what was important was that they understood what led those schools to make those big changes.", "title": "Opinions on Scheme Continuation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scheme", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said the scheme should have gone on longer. Kirsty Williams AM said the scheme worked really well for some schools in some areas and had less impact in some areas.", "title": "Opinions on Scheme Continuation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "schools challenge cymru", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked if they were disappointed that the money for Schools Challenge Cymru went back to the reserve and not in the envelope. Kirsty Williams AM said it was a time-limited programme and did make resources available for Schools Challenge Cymru schools.", "title": "Financing Schools Challenge Cymru Programme", "relevant_turns": [ 18, [ 20, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "schools challenge cymru", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM asked how disappointed were you that the money for Schools Challenge Cymru went back into reserves and didn't stay in their envelope since programme such as Schools Challenge Cymru would probably need about five years to really have the impact and if they could have added the consortia's resources and be able to continue supporting Schools Challenge Cymru programme. Kirsty Williams AM answered that it was a time-limited programme and they made resources available to the regional consortia for Schools Challenge Cymru support adding that they have visited many Schools Challenge Cymru schools and talked to the teachers about their experience of the programme and that they got the support they see as an appropriate level for them.", "title": "Financing Schools Challenge Cymru Programme", "relevant_turns": [ 18, [ 20, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "professor mel ainscow", "speaker": "Mark Reckless AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Mark Reckless AM said Professor Ainscow took great pride in the work that he had done with Schools Challenge Cymru but wasn't interrogated much so suggested inviting the professor for a further debrief. Kirsty Williams AM said they have met him and had discussions and if they haven't sufficiently learned the lessons they would have another conversation.", "title": "Suggestion for Conversation with Professor Ainscow", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "professor mel ainscow", "speaker": "Mark Reckless AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Mark Reckless AM; with Professor Ainscow my impression was he took great, great pride in the work that he'd done with Schools Challenge Cymru; he really enjoyed the engagement, the work and the positive relations with the Welsh Government; he didn't feel that he'd been interrogated as much as he might have been about the lessons learned from the programme, and how perhaps to entrench those as well as possible with the regional consortia; if you could invite the professor in, perhaps to have a further debrief with you and take account of some of his thoughts and suggestions for what might help in this are; Kirsty Williams AM; I met with him, Steve has met with him, Owen Evans has met with him, my special policy adviser has met with him and had discussions; if the advice to me is that we haven't sufficiently learnt the lessons, then I'll gladly have another conversation; I want to be absolutely clear that I have never described the programme as a failure, and I want to reassure Mr Ainscow of that.", "title": "Suggestion for Conversation with Professor Ainscow", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "system", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM said they were told by Estyn that they could not expect the consortia to continue with that level of intervention and provide the same type of tailored support. Kirsty Williams AM said their system allowed them to target resources across all of the schools and across all of their sectors.", "title": "Advantages of the New System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "system", "speaker": "Llyr Gruffydd AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Llyr Gruffydd AM; we were told by Estyn in evidence that they didn't necessarily think that we could expect the consortia to provide the same type of tailored support, and certainly the level of intensity with the improvement boards and everything; Kirsty Williams AM; those improvement boards are staying on, and our schools categorisation system is used to identify the level of support; if you're a red school, that gives you the entitlement to 25 days of support. That is more than you would have got under the Schools Challenge Cymru programme, which would've been 20 days; moving to this system allows us to really focus in on those schools that need that intensive level of support; Our system now of challenge, advice and support allows us to target resources across all of our schools and across all of our sectors.", "title": "Advantages of the New System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 17 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. We're going to move on to Schools Challenge Cymru now. Llyr.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Thank you, Chair. I was just wondering what your assessment\u00a0is as to why some schools made progress and others didn't.", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think we have to recognise that the 39 schools that were part of the programme were in very, very different places. So, I think one of the reasons why some schools did well was because their needs were not so complex, not so deep-seated and a certain level of intervention was enough to get them moving forward. Some schools had very, very different needs. I think, talking to those involved\u00a0in the programme, as always, we had some support advisers, challenge advisers working with those schools as part of the programme who were really, really excellent and really good, and were the right fit for the school and really drove the school onwards. We had other people employed in the programme who, perhaps, were less effective at driving change within those individual schools. So, what we have is a mixed bag of performance, again reflecting the very different challenges that those schools were facing, which led them to be chosen for the programme in the first place.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Yes, okay\u2014", "Steve Davies : Sorry. One of the other key additional factors was the extent to which there had been recent appointment of a new headteacher to that school just before the programme had started, because\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : Leadership is all.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : And that was seen as a positive.", "Steve Davies : A positive, yes. I think one of the challenges is that sometimes the time it takes to make changes in leadership can be protracted and can be a barrier, sometimes, to the speed with which you can move. But, for a significant minority of the schools, there had been recent new appointments of headteachers, which was seen to be contributing, when you looked at the evaluation, to the speed with which they were able to engage.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : The reason I was asking was I wanted to understand what lessons the Government is taking from that three-year investment, really, and how, maybe, you're applying some of those lessons to your wider school improvement programme. I know Professor Mel Ainscow identified six interconnected lessons, although I also note that the Cabinet Secretary didn't actually meet him for about six or seven months after coming into post. So, I'm just wondering, can you give us confidence that, actually, you are serious about taking lessons from Schools Challenge Cymru and applying them to the wider school improvement agenda?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, absolutely, Llyr. I don't think anything should be read into when I met the individual concerned, because officials were meeting the individual concerned. Individual challenge advisers were meeting with the regions, there was crossover work with the FSM agenda as well, and we are absolutely determined that best practice and those interventions that drove school improvement are embedded in the new support that we have via the regional consortia.\u00a0It's no coincidence that some of the best people that were employed by Schools Challenge Cymru are now in the employment of our regional consortia. So, those people that were really good and really made a difference don't work for the Schools Challenge Cymru\u00a0scheme any more, they work for our regional school improvement services. So, we're absolutely determined. The things that we have learned, as always, are around leadership. It is absolutely key and crucial to have strong, capable school leadership as a driver for change within the system. We're looking at systems and processes, so, actually, has a school got in place comprehensive systems of tracking and processes within the school?\u00a0We're looking at the teacher quality\u2014how can we ensure that we have got consistent strategies in place to drive up pedagogy and teacher quality in the classroom? Collaborative activity\u2014again, absolutely key. A school cannot see itself in isolation, and one of the key themes of the national mission is a self-improving system, so, collaborative working where schools are looking outside of each other, learning from best practice from other schools. So, there are lots of things that we've drawn from the evaluation that you will see as key themes running through the national mission, and, as I said, it's no coincidence that our really good people that were working in Schools Challenge Cymru\u00a0are now working for the regional consortia, being able to use that expertise not just for a very small proportion of our schools\u2014but that expertise is available to all our schools.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Although Estyn\u00a0has told us, of course, that you can't expect the consortia to\u00a0really carry on with that level of intervention and the same kind of intensity as was provided previously, so I'm just wondering\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : In what way?", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Well, we were told by Estyn\u00a0in evidence that they didn't necessarily think that we could expect the consortia to provide the same type of tailored support, and certainly the level of intensity with the improvement boards and everything\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, the improvement boards are carrying on, so the improvement boards still exist, and I would\u2014not that I want to argue with Estyn\u2014", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Well, feel free; this is your opportunity to do so if you\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : What I would say is that those improvement boards are staying on, and our schools categorisation system is used to identify the level of support. Now, if you're a red school, that gives you the entitlement to 25 days of support. That is more than you would have got under the Schools Challenge Cymru programme,\u00a0which would've been 20 days. So, actually, moving to this system allows us to really focus in on those schools that need that intensive level of support. And what's important for me, Llyr,\u00a0in this, okay, is that those schools are not necessarily just the schools that were in the programme. Our system now of challenge, advice and support allows us to target resources across all of our schools and across all of our sectors, because you'll be aware that Schools Challenge was only available to secondary schools, not available to primary schools. What our system now allows us to do, via the schools categorisation, is to identify schools, wherever they are in Wales and whatever sector they're in, to have that intensive level of support that they need to make improvements.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : So, you're confident that that level of momentum is continuing through the consortia that was previously enjoyed by those particular schools, and you're also confident that there is minimal risk that they'll slip back to where they were, potentially, or at least part of the way back.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, actually, there are some really good examples of some of the Schools Challenge Cymru\u00a0schools making that sustained improvement now that the programme has come to an end. You only have to look at Tredegar, where we have seen continual improvement and moving up through the categorisation system. That school is now a green school, so they've been able to sustain their progress at the end of the programme. If we look at Armando in Eastern High School, again\u2014gosh, my goodness me, we had lots of debates in a previous Chamber about the future of Eastern. There was one person that said that Eastern had to be closed and that the only way forward for that particular school was for it to be shut down, but what we have seen is investment via Schools Challenge Cymru,\u00a0but ongoing, continual support from the regional consortium, and that school has come out of special measures. I pay absolute tribute to the staff of that school and that community that have done such a good job. So, I'm absolutely convinced that where we've got good\u00a0leadership and good support,\u00a0some of those schools are making continued, sustained progress even after the end of the programme. The challenge for me is for those schools that Schools Challenge Cymru didn't work for, and we haven't seen that progress\u2014how we can use our school improvement system now to continue to work with those schools to give them the level of support that they need to make a difference. So that's what my focus is on now: a whole-system approach, rather than choosing 39 schools to get that level of support, when we recognise that there are schools everywhere, potentially, that need intervention, support and challenge, and in the primary sector as well.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Okay. So, you wouldn't agree with a number of\u2014well, the near-unanimous evidence that we've had from academics, some of whom are Government advisers from consortia et cetera, that this kind of programme such as Schools Challenge Cymru would probably need about five years to really have the impact that it was intended to have.", "Kirsty Williams AM : What I would say is that, from my understanding, from the outset, it was a time-limited programme. The schools were aware of that. There were no surprises that it was supposed to be a time-limited programme. Evidence from across the UK showed that school challenge programmes have differed in time. So, for instance, Manchester's challenge was a three-year programme. So, there's no consensus about how many years you need to run a programme for. The previous Minister was quite clear about the time-limited nature of the programme. That's not to say it was the wrong decision, because what's important, and an ongoing legacy of the programme, was the investment in regional school improvement capacity, because at the time our school improvement services and the regions were young, in their infancy. The ability of individual local authorities to make a difference, with so many local authorities in an Estyn categorisation, was limited, so one of the ongoing legacies of the programme is that significant investment of over \u00a310 million in the capacity of the regions to be able to continue this support and the school improvement work.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : So, how disappointed were you that the money for Schools Challenge Cymru went back into reserves and didn't stay in your envelope, as you described it earlier? I presume you made a pitch for it. Did you make a case for that money to stay within your department?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Llyr, we are constantly having discussions with the Minister for Finance around support for the education budget. The Minister for Finance was quite clear that it was a time-limited programme. We were able to secure investment from the Finance Minister to be able to secure the programme and run it and phase it out to make sure there was transition support, so as we moved from the schools challenge programme into the regional consortia, there were resources to do that.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : Did you feel there was a case to be made to add to the consortia's resources and be able to continue that level of support that schools had previously had?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, we did make resources available to the regional consortia to do that. As I say, from the outset, the previous Minister was very clear it was a time-limited programme. Certainly the schools that I talk to\u2014. And I want to be absolutely clear: I have visited many, many Schools Challenge Cymru schools. I have used that opportunity to talk to them about\u2014Heolddu being one of them, Hefin, which we went to visit, and Willows, for instance. I'm going to one this afternoon\u2014I'm going to St Illtyd's this afternoon, and I always take\u2014. I've been to Caergybi in Anglesey. I always take the opportunity to speak to those teachers about their experience of the programme and to understand and assure myself that they are getting ongoing support that they see as an appropriate level for them. I think I've done 19 of the schools.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Hefin on this.", "Hefin David AM : With regard to it being a time-limited programme, the previous Minister was clear that it was a time-limited programme, but it wasn't quite as time-limited as you've decided to be. Is that fair to say?", "Kirsty Williams AM : No, it was supposed to be a three-year programme at the most. So, there's no differential between when I decided it was time-limited and the expectations\u2014", "Hefin David AM : So the time limit was the same that the previous Minister put on it.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes. No change.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : But Mel Ainscow did tell us that there was a fade out in that third year\u2014not that people were giving up, don't get me wrong, but clearly there wasn't that commitment coming from Government because the decision had been made, and people felt that it was just fizzling out a little bit, and that impacted on the momentum.", "Kirsty Williams AM : I wouldn't characterise it as that. I think there certainly was a transition phase when we knew that the programme was moving and schools were moving into a different level of support,\u00a0but I certainly wouldn't describe it as a fading out\u2014not at all. As I said, we were aware that the programme was transitioning and we were determined to get that right for those individual schools, and to learn the lessons and, crucially, to be able to apply those lessons right across the board.", "Steve Davies : I can see where the perception would come if a programme director like Mel was managing the programme right to the end of the three years exactly the same, and it falls off\u2014not a cliff, but it falls off, then the readiness for schools and the readiness in the system to hand over\u2014so part of the shift of focus was that working as a Government with the programme in those schools to working with the programme, those schools and the region. So, I think, inevitably, one party might see it as a decrease in terms of emphasis on their work, but it was necessary for the transition.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : But does that cast a bit of a shadow over the transition, then\u2014that one key player within that process felt as such, or are you confident that that was managed well and effectively?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think it was managed well, and we were very clear to recognise success where success has been achieved, but not to gloss over where the programme had not made an impact, because that wouldn't be good for anybody. There was a formal event to close the programme, which gave everybody an opportunity to get together, to be formally thanked, and for, as I said, congratulations to be given to those people who had really made a difference\u00a0and, crucially, key staff transferred over into the regional consortia. So, for those individuals, they were able to continue their work, but just be able to apply that work on a regional basis rather than just in an individual school. So, I don't see that there was any fading out, but there was a transition into a new system, and many of those key personnel transitioned into the system with us.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Have you got any figures for the numbers of staff who went from the programme into the consortia?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Not off the top of my head, but I can let you know.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. I've got Darren first, then Mark.", "Kirsty Williams AM : And can I just say, I met with some of them? I met with a selection of those people who had been involved in the programme to get their feedback on what they felt had gone right, and what they didn't feel had gone right in the programme. So, I took the time not just to meet the figurehead\u00a0of the programme, but actually to meet the people who were doing the work in the individual schools. Sorry.", "Darren Millar AM : Yes, I just wanted to ask you, you mentioned the figurehead there, I assume by 'the figurehead' you mean Professor Ainscow. And you've mentioned as well that you said you wanted to learn lessons from Schools Challenge Cymru, but he told us that nobody had been in touch with him since March of last year in order to have any sort of follow-up engagement, or to have a dialogue about his perspective on what worked, what didn't work, why there were failures in some areas and why there were successes in others. Why haven't you sought that level of engagement with the person who was responsible for running the programme?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I've had that conversation with Mr Ainscow. We had the evaluation of the programme. We've spoken to the people who were actually involved in running the programme on a daily basis in individual schools. We've spoken to the regional consortia. We've spoken to local education authorities. We've spoken to a wide variety of people to get their insight into the lessons learned, what was valuable and what was not valuable. So, a wide variety of people have been involved in those conversations.", "Darren Millar AM : But you've hardly engaged with Mr Ainscow\u2014with Professor Ainscow himself.", "Steve Davies : I would actually say that I have had meetings\u2014", "Darren Millar AM : Since March of last year.", "Steve Davies : Yes, since March of last year. I haven't got the exact dates for you. I've had discussions with Mel Ainscow, and my line manager at the time, Owen Evans, also had meetings and discussions.", "Darren Millar AM : So, when he told us, 'Since last March, I literally have had no contact at all with anybody from Welsh Government', he was telling porky pies, was he?", "Steve Davies : That's not my recollection. I'll go back and check for you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : If you could check and let us know, that would be good. Mark.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, well, I just talked about the celebration event to formally mark the end of the programme. My understanding was that it was July of last year, so people were engaged in that. And this idea that somebody has been ignored or frozen out is not how I see or how I regard that situation.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Mark.", "Mark Reckless AM : I have to say, with Professor Ainscow my impression was he took great, great pride in the work that he'd done with Schools Challenge Cymru, and I think he really enjoyed the engagement, the work and the positive relations with the Welsh Government. But I think there was just a degree of disappointment, perhaps, that at least he didn't feel that he'd been interrogated as much as he might have been about the lessons learned from the programme, and how perhaps to entrench those as well as possible with the regional consortia.\u00a0I just wonder,\u00a0Cabinet Secretary, if you could invite the professor in, perhaps to have a further debrief with you and take account of some of his thoughts and suggestions for what might help in this area.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, Mark, as I said, I just don't think it should be right to characterise this as a failure to engage with a single individual.", "Mark Reckless AM : I'm not characterising it that way, Cabinet Secretary.", "Kirsty Williams AM : As I said, I met with him, Steve has met with him,\u00a0Owen Evans\u00a0has met with him, my special policy adviser has met with him and had discussions. So, there has been an ongoing dialogue. But, Mark, I hope that I have demonstrated since I took on this job that I am willing to work with a wide variety of people and to tap into their expertise if it can help me to deliver on the national mission. And if the advice to me is that we haven't sufficiently learnt the lessons, then I'll gladly have another conversation. What I'm saying to you\u2014and I'm absolutely confident\u2014is that we\u00a0have learnt the lessons, we are taking that work and the good practice forward, and we have done that with conversations with a wide variety of people who had a view on this, from individual schools that were involved in the programme, individual people who were working in those schools, local education authorities, some of which have been very scathing about the programme, I should say, regional consortia\u2014. So, the lessons, I am confident, have been learnt.", "Mark Reckless AM : I'm glad to hear that, Cabinet Secretary, but I still say that, listening to Professor Ainscow's evidence, there was a perception, at least from him\u00a0individually, that the programme should not be seen to be a failure, but a\u00a0desire that the lessons should be learnt and a feeling or exception, at least on his part, that there was more that he still had to contribute to the process. And just to take one particular example, I think he referred to the Schools Challenge Cymru advisers\u00a0being very successful in bringing in people who might not otherwise have contributed to this, and the regional consortia have had greater challenges in recruiting people, perhaps in some areas, of the same high standard of some particular individuals, but also from a wide range of different areas that the Schools Challenge Cymru do, and that there could be more to learn in that area as to how to support real excellence and a greater diversity of recruitment for those people. Is that something you could perhaps draw on his thoughts further about?\u00a0Because I think he does feel that he has more to say to Welsh Government to help in this area.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Firstly, can I say that I have never described the programme as a failure? I would understand, as someone who has put so much personal investment into the brand of schools challenges, that he would not want anybody to characterise that particular approach to school improvement as a failure. And I want to be absolutely clear that I have never described the programme as a failure, and I want to reassure Mr Ainscow of that. As I've said, gosh, my goodness me, if you saw my e-mail inbox and you saw the letters that come in, people are never shy\u00a0in coming forward to give me advice on what I need to do, what I need to do next, what I'm doing right, what I'm doing wrong, and, you know, our doors are always open to listen to people who have interesting things to say about how we can deliver our educational mission. So, people aren't slow in coming forward, I can assure you, with advice.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Julie.", "Julie Morgan AM : Just very quickly. I'm sure the Minister is aware that Cardiff put extra funds of its own in to continue Schools Challenge Cymru advisers. So, obviously, they appreciated the value of the scheme, but it does query whether it should have gone on longer.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Julie, I think, to be fair, there are some people who think the scheme was absolutely fantastic. I've had feedback from people who didn't think the scheme was helpful at all\u2014in fact, they felt it was a hindrance. I'm very much of the view that the scheme worked really well for some schools in some areas and had less impact\u00a0in some areas. There is a mixed picture. What's important to me is that we understand what it was that led those schools to make those big changes, how we can\u2014like Mark talked about,\u00a0the expertise\u2014how we can keep that expertise in the system, and how we can apply\u00a0the lessons to all schools." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 19, "turns": [ 648, 796 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project , process , evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they were on to project evaluation, then asked about creativity, like if they expressed themselves and if they had the chance to do so. Everyone said yes but Marketing said that the individual meetings were a bit arbitrary, like when they found various things in-between the meetings, without following the order of the meetings. 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Now satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , et cetera , whiteboard , digital pens , et cetera . So , we're actually now uh , in a sense , on to the evaluation of the course rather than the evaluation of the project is m my understanding of it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh-huh .", "Project Manager : So what did you {disfmarker} and remembering that nobody's just over the curtain . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So , um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Finish your meeting now . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : We should just go through this quickly and then {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Huh .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I suppose the easiest way of doing it is to put some notes down , which I will do .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : So , uh I think I have to finish that page . Right , okay , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Project evaluation . So , um {disfmarker} Creativity . Did you feel you got a chance to express yourselves {vocalsound} well enough ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um , yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Well um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I thought some of the divisions though between sort of the individual meetings were a bit arbitrary .", "Project Manager : Individual meetings . How do you mean ?", "Marketing : Yeah . Well , we were finding out various things in {vocalsound} in be in-between the meetings ,", "Project Manager : In you on your own .", "Marketing : and they didn't {disfmarker} the one meeting didn't always follow on for the other one , you know , sort of {disfmarker} we had things thrown in at the second meeting where , you know , you'd looked at the remote controls and seen the curviness , but in the first one you'd also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons ,", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : and I don't understand why it would be in separate meetings that you'd do that . You know , you'd sort of {disfmarker} you'd probably present it at one or something like that .", "Project Manager : Mm , {gap} {disfmarker} The only thing you find is in a manufacturing process , you would {disfmarker} normally , you go to a meeting , you decide , right , you do this , you do that , you do that .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Then you go away . You find out information . You then come back . You then discuss it . You then go and change things around ,", "Marketing : Uh-huh .", "Project Manager : and then go back . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I suppose and then {gap} be going out and finding more information each time", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Whereas , this time , you're really getting it from a database source ,", "Industrial Designer : and then diff things will be relevant .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so it's not uh well uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Anyway , so , what do you want to put down ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I've put , seemed okay . Creativity , seemed okay . Um um flow of information on on any given subject {disfmarker} given subject um sometimes disjointed . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : I think it maybe could have been a slightly more creative project . I mean a remote control isn't the most um kind of fancy thing that you could imagine designing .", "Marketing : Yeah , the thing itself .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I can't think of a better example at the minute .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Have {disfmarker} could have used a different example {disfmarker} pel to increase {disfmarker} create {disfmarker} Creativity .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Is this go {disfmarker} It kinda kis fits the purpose that it was something everyone knows about and then something we can at least look at and think how we can improve on .", "Project Manager : You have to do it within a set time frame is the other thing , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Yeah . But {gap} think like it was a bit restrictive just to say that you have to design a television remote control , in a way . I mean it depends what sort of business you're in , I guess . I mean this one seems {gap} . From the website it looks {gap} it's quite innovative , but we're coming up with some bucket shop product aren't we", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : that's , you know , fifteen quid . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} one of those things . Like uh , companies can have like a range of products and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I th I uh d", "Industrial Designer : {gap} I don't know how it works but I guess that something got sent out and {gap} have like a brief to kind of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But the other thing is that uh they're {disfmarker} I'm guessing that they're trying to use this um software to to demonstrate how you could uh do a project . I mean , m my wife at the moment , for instance , is uh acting as a computer", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : um {vocalsound} for um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} normally , you got a problem , so you go to your tutor and find out information to see how to get it fixed .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So what she's doing is she's {vocalsound} having to spend a day at the computer terminal at one end so that any student that comes along can uh ask whatever question . And then you {disfmarker} or the idea is that the {disfmarker} whichever uh person's at the other end can point them in the right direction , show them where to {disfmarker} either give them directly {disfmarker} give them help , or secondly , point them in the right direction , either at the library , or uh or or come back , or go and see Joe Bloggs , or whatever . So uh , and that was a project I suspect similar to this , because they they were actually trying to debug the uh computer software to enable um {disfmarker} to enable it to work . And of course , you had the machine crashing", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and various things going wrong . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , sh {gap} we look at the last slide ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : see if it's got anything else .", "Project Manager : Alright ,", "Industrial Designer : {gap} I think there's one one more to go .", "Project Manager : so we've got uh", "Marketing : Yeah . {gap} I mean if you look at their products on their website here , Real Reaction , I mean it's all pretty high-tech and cutting edge .", "Project Manager : New ideas found ,", "Marketing : And {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : did we find any , no .", "Industrial Designer : It was quite good with this um {disfmarker} the white board , having that and the digital pens .", "Project Manager : Alright .", "Industrial Designer : Like , that's something that made it a little easier .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Leadership , teamwork .", "Marketing : {gap} we did find a new idea , I mean sort of a kinetic remote control . I've never seen one of them before . {gap} batteries , I think . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Does {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} voice recognition , especially not {gap} could {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You've got voice recognition computers ,", "Marketing : Mm yeah .", "Project Manager : that's not remote controls .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Well it's a different application of it .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , so it's just like the same products , but just put together in a different way .", "Project Manager : so how do you reckon teamwork went ?", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That went okay , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I guess we all had separate ideas and then discussed them .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : To uh go uh reasonably well . Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I don't think sort of the budget um allowed us to do anything {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Bit {disfmarker} bit arbitrary . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , I mean I don't think it {disfmarker} I just don't think it fitted in with the rest of their products . I mean , they've got all these sort of , you know , high definition D_V_D_ and portable seven inch d um lightweight computer screens ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and uh I'm thinking , do you know , one cheap remote control doesn't really fit in .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So , we're m we're meant to comment on leadership and the means , E_ G_ whiteboard , digital pens , et cetera .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Surely they they should produ", "Project Manager : And and new i new ideas found was the the other thing .", "User Interface : Well leadership's a bit of a funny one , isn't it .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But we can't really all fairly comment on leadership because you are the Project Manager .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : You were the leader . {vocalsound} So our experience of leadership wasn't really as much as yours . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Now , I'd much rather be in marketing {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I certainly didn't get this uh computer to work as well as I would have liked .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : However , um {disfmarker} Alright uh means , so whiteboard um {disfmarker} so really , it's uh equipment . Oh .", "Marketing : Yeah . It worked .", "User Interface : Yeah , very nice . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Comput computers could be a bit difficult at times but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But I mean , I d I don't {disfmarker} I'm not sure I see the value in these . I mean , they record what you're writing , and then what do you do with it ? Where do you get the recording ? Do you plug {gap} the computer or something ?", "Marketing : I think there's a little there's a little um chi", "Industrial Designer : So it's not just for us , it's for the experiment as a whole , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : There's a little there's a little chip , I think you must plug it into something", "Industrial Designer : Should we quickly look at the last slide ?", "Marketing : and it produces a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Sh {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Right . I think you watch a video of it kind of .", "Marketing : I don't know . Whether it just produces a big image of sort of everything you've written or something , and {disfmarker} Page after page .", "Project Manager : Right . New ideas found , so one or two .", "Marketing : Yeah . Kinetic powered remote control . Um , what was the other one ?", "User Interface : Voice um recognition thing .", "Marketing : Vo yeah .", "Project Manager : {gap} um and uh voice", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : uh , was it voice activated um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Voice recognition , yeah . S", "Project Manager : recognition .", "Marketing : Almost .", "User Interface : Pretty much . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} To fill in these fill in these questionnaires", "Project Manager : Right , so , uh are the costs within budget ,", "Marketing : Oh no .", "Project Manager : yes . Is the project evaluated , yes . Uh , don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary . Then celebration . {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 397, 438 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "portability , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if it was able to put the little device anywhere. Remote control wasn't for all TVs, so it needed to be stuck somewhere or something adhesive onto the back of any set, not very obtrusive and small.", "title": "Size of the Device", "relevant_turns": [ 1, [ 12, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "portability , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface described the size of the device, the purpose it would serve, and its installation system.", "title": "Size and Purpose for the Device", "relevant_turns": [ 1, [ 12, 18 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Would you be able to , um , put the little device anywhere ? {vocalsound} 'Cause uh isn't our remote control for all T_V_s , so", "Industrial Designer : If {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : you'd ha", "Industrial Designer : Do you mean the the link between the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , with the button that you pressed .", "Project Manager : Yeah . The button {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , if the button was actually on {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Minor detail there .", "User Interface : C 'cause then it would only be a applicable to one T_V_ set , so it would need to be something that you could stick somewhere , or something .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it would have t", "Industrial Designer : Maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be um yeah not very obtrusive .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Obviously something small that's {disfmarker} Yeah , that's a good point .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Then it wouldn't , it probably wouldn't be able to use {disfmarker} It would be able to use the same reception on the remote c control I guess , but the actual device would have to have its own infrared signaller .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : Would it need a battery then ?", "Project Manager : Maybe , um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Pr probably .", "Project Manager : Probably , I mean .", "Industrial Designer : Unless it could be {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That's your department you'll have to sort that out .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Um , unless some way , it could have some universal connection to like the socket , the same socket that the T_V_'s supplied from . I mean the power for the T_V_ .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , you'll have to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So , mm , more research into that one .", "Project Manager : Yeah , you'll have to investi Do some research on that ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : alright ? Great . Um , alright , and I'm sure that , um um , the glow-in-the-dark , fluorescent , whatever , system , um is a go ahead . Is everyone interested in that ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 100, 113 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "quality assurance", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM" }, "summary": "Sian Gwellian during conversation with Kirsty Williams AM and Huw Morris started topic about quality assurance with an example of an anomaly caused by HEFCW and demanded the explanation. The Gwellian made a serie of questions pointing out the idea of having one quality assurance body or one quality assurance framework and asked wheather such a plan was intentional and what were the ways of making it work. Another valid point Gwellian rose was a substantial concern in the sector about moving to one assurance body for the tertiary sector.", "title": "Sian Gwellian's Questions About Quality Assurance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "quality assurance", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM" }, "summary": "Sian Gwellian during conversation with Kirsty Williams AM and Huw Morris made significant questions about quality assurance by starting the dialog by saying, \"We've heard evidence regarding the difficulties caused by HEFCW having a legal duty to quality-assure all the provision in two further education colleges\" . This example, named by Gwellian an anomaly or an unintended consequence of the Act, was a pretext to receive a long awaited explanation. The Gwellian made a few questions stressing the idea of having one quality assurance body or one quality assurance framework and asked wheather such a plan was intentional and what were the ways of making it work in practice. Another valid point Gwellian tried to have explained by his discussion partners was a substantial concern in the sector about moving to one assurance body for the tertiary sector.", "title": "Sian Gwellian's Questions for Kirsy Williams and Huw Morris About Quality Assurance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "quality assurance", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Sian Gwenllian AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM answered several questions of Sian Gwenllian regarding quality insurance. Williams tried to explain that she was not able to put herself into the thought process of the Minister and had no idea about the Minister's expectations regarding the issue. Williams added that the whole act was not an unintended consequence, according to her understanding of the situation that took place. Williams explained that the Act built on quality assessments arrangements in the 1992 Act and in this case the sitaution required HEFCW to secure arrangements. It was achieved by funding instututions. As a result of such process the HEFCW's quality assessement was meant for all the education that is provided by regulated institution. Williams AM also mentioned rumors and concerns it provoked about proposals of introducing a single quality assessment body. williams AM assured that any quality framework that would eventually cover higher education would surely be compatible with ENQA what was an important matter.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's Vision on Quality Assurance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "quality assurance", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Sian Gwenllian AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM answered several questions of Sian Gwenllian regarding quality insurance. Williams tried to explain that she had no idea about the Minister's expectations regarding the issue. Williams added that the whole act was not an unintended consequence, according to her understanding. Williams explained that the Act built on quality assessments arrangements was achieved by funding instututions. Williams AM also mentioned rumors and concerns provoked by proposals of introducing a single quality assessment body.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM Position About Quality Assurance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 7 ], [ 10, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plan , quality assurance", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams Am stated during her speach about her plan for quality assurance that the principles underlying any assurance regime would need to be coherent, needed to be effective and comprehensive. Williams AM underlined that quality framework covering higher education would be compatible with ENQA, which according to Williams AM was somethingof great rimportance when going forward. Williams AM added as well that the plan would be compatible with current UK-wide baseline standards. Williams AM stated that creating specific problems for the HE sector in Wales was not the goal. Williams AM pointed out that from time to time it was necessary to cause a stir.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's Plan for Quality Assurance and Its implementation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "plan , quality assurance", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said to be aware of stakeholders' concerns regarding proposals to introduce a single quality assessment body. It was understood, according to Williams AM, that stakeholders were broadly content with the current situation with regard to Estyn and QAA. So, Williams AM admited to have been listening to that, following the technical consultation, and policy officials are working through options in regard to ensuring what quality assurance would look like in the commission.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's Explanation of the Quality Assurance Plan", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you very much. We've got some questions now from Si\u00e2n on quality assurance.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. We've heard evidence regarding the difficulties caused by HEFCW having a legal duty to quality-assure all the provision in two further education colleges. That sounds to me\u00a0like some kind of an anomaly or an unintended consequence of the Act. Could you clarify that and explain the situation in that instance?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Thank you. My understanding\u2014and as I said, it's a bit difficult, because I can't put myself into the thought process of the Minister at the time and what his expectation was. But, certainly, my understanding is that it was not an unintended consequence, it was an expectation built into the Act that HEFCW and Estyn would work together on these matters. The Act built on what were the quality assessment arrangements in the 1992 Act, which required HEFCW to secure arrangements for the assessment of the quality of education provided by funding institutions. So, as a consequence of that approach, HEFCW's quality assessment duty currently encompasses all the education provided by or on behalf of a regulated institution. So, it is complicated, and Huw can help me out here if I get it wrong, but my understanding is that it was not an unintended consequence, that was the expectation of what would happen when the legislation was passed. Huw.", "Huw Morris : I would completely agree with what the Minister has said.", "Kirsty Williams AM : As always. [Laughter.] At least in public, Huw.", "Huw Morris : There is the expectation that they will work together in concert. There's a lot of joint operation. I think, going forward, we would expect that to continue. We're looking to the new Bill to try to make that clearer. That was a theme in the general and technical consultation exercises that we've engaged in over the last couple of years.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, you're happy, therefore, that that partnership has worked. Are you happy with that?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Certainly, in our consultation for the upcoming Act, we've generally heard, certainly from our further education colleges, that they've been quite content with the arrangements. No concerns about it, certainly from further education colleges.", "Huw Morris : There are differences in the systems of quality assurance as they've historically applied to FE and HE, but I understand that that has meant that, as FE colleges become more interested in HE, they've had to learn new ways, and that's taken a little bit of time. But, I'm not aware of any dissatisfaction.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay, which moves us on to this idea of having one quality assurance body or one quality assurance framework. Is that your intention and how will that work in practice?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I am aware, and we've listened to stakeholders' concerns regarding proposals to introduce a single quality assessment body. As I said, we recognise that stakeholders are broadly content with the current situation with regard to Estyn and QAA. So, we've been listening to that, following the technical consultation, and policy officials are working through options in regard to ensuring what quality assurance will look like in the commission. As I said, I don't want to pre-empt bringing forward the legislation, but the principles underlying any assurance regime would need to be coherent, need to be effective and need to be comprehensive. What we're also very clear about, and I think it is important to say, is that any quality framework covering higher education will be compatible with ENQA, which I think is really, really important going forward. And by an extension of that, it would be compatible with current UK-wide baseline standards. So, we don't want to create specific problems for the HE sector in Wales.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But, you have touched on this, there is substantial concern in the sector about this offer to move to one assurance body for the tertiary sector. One vice-chancellor has told us:", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, sometimes, I think it is necessary, maybe, to cause a stir. If we don't change things, it does beg the point of, 'Why are any of us here if we're not here to sometimes move things forward?' And change is challenging always, but I would like to reassure all of our vice-chancellors and our sector as a whole that we're not going to do anything in the quality assurance regime that would risk what is the very high reputation and standards that Welsh universities currently comply with or would set them apart from institutions across the border or in a European context. Huw.", "Huw Morris : I agree, obviously. I think the fear is misplaced, but coming back to another theme in the conversation so far about futureproofing, what we're seeing in the figures that the Minister outlined to you earlier about the growth in postgraduate and the growth in part-time is the desire of a greater number of people at different ages to engage in higher and tertiary education, and quite often that will be in a workplace or it will be in a non-conventional institutional setting. Historically, the quality assurance regimes for work-based learning have tended to sit with Estyn; the assurance regimes for the universities have sat with the QAA. There's quite a lot of learning that all sides have got to engage in if we're going to be able to have continued high quality in these new areas that are being explored. That's an issue not just in Wales. The Augar report, which was published earlier this year in England, drew attention to this as being a major problem in the relationship over the border between Ofsted and the QAA. So, I think we're not looking to impose one institution on anybody, but we are looking to encourage greater synergy in the ways in which quality assurance and enhancement is undertaken in those different areas of activity." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 2, "turns": [ 39, 254 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "budget balancing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were over budget, so a lot of ideas had to be scrapped. The most expensive thing was keeping the LC display, although they didn't want to remove it, as everyone agreed that was the biggest differentiator. Having the advanced LC display chip, they could have multiple languages \u200b\u200band integrated scroll wheel, which would be cheaper than having 4 scroll buttons. Project Manager wanted to check the costs of the buttons with the accountants, because it seemed excessive, and if this calculation were wrong, there would be money left over to consider adding color to the remote. Project Manager considered changing the structure to a plastic one and with a solid unit with a single curve design, because plastic was free and although this material would not allow as much flexibility in the design to be able to locate the elements, they could save money on this. User Interface said that they would only need one curve to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position and have the rest on top of the hand, and that it could be made in two parts and then joined with a joint. Marketing asked if they took into account that there could be a volume discount, but the Project Manager said that this should be discussed with the accountants, although for the meeting they should stick to the proposed parameters. Project Manager indicated that he forgot to account for the cost of the locator, but the only option to keep it, would be to be able to get it for less than two cents. Project Manager said that they chose the cheapest options for batteries and that there would be no voice recognition. Project Manager said that if they had been able to raise the price, they could have made something much closer to what they expected.", "title": "Budget for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 51 ], [ 57, 58 ], [ 62, 64 ], 68, [ 70, 80 ], [ 100, 103 ], 105, [ 107, 109 ], 112, [ 114, 116 ], 120, [ 122, 123 ], [ 125, 126 ], [ 130, 131 ], 108, 140, 145, 147, [ 150, 152 ], 156, [ 165, 166 ], 168, [ 170, 172 ], [ 176, 177 ], 182, 187 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "budget balancing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; four Euros over budget; use of the LCD; in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well; got an advanced chip; So being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility; determine the scroll wheel here as well because it's an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that wasn't quite what I think they had in mind with a joystick; save point five of a Euro here in that it's not per push button; Project Manager; changing it to plastic and a solid; got point two of a Euro left over there; User Interface; keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand; Project Manager; get rid of the whole locator, pretty much point two Euros; battery; cheaper options.", "title": "Budget for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 51 ], [ 57, 58 ], [ 62, 64 ], 68, [ 70, 80 ], [ 100, 103 ], 105, [ 107, 109 ], 112, [ 114, 116 ], 120, [ 122, 123 ], [ 125, 126 ], [ 130, 131 ], 108, 140, 145, 147, [ 150, 152 ], 156, [ 165, 166 ], 168, [ 170, 172 ], [ 176, 177 ], 182, 187 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "incorporation , articulation , conclusion , budget balancing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager thought that the remote control should have a double curve, but User Interface and Industrial Designer said it could have only one to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position and have the rest on top. User Interface proposed that the curve goes in two parts, joined with an articulation. Project Manager accepted the proposal, since it would not raise the cost much.", "title": "Curve Design and Articulation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 125, 126 ], [ 129, 131 ], 135, [ 139, 140 ], 143, 145, 147, [ 150, 151 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "incorporation , articulation , conclusion , budget balancing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed that the remote control have a single curve divided into two parts and join them with an articulation to leave the joystick in an ergonomic position. Project Manager accepted, since it does not raise the cost much.", "title": "Curve Design and Articulation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 125, 126 ], [ 129, 131 ], 135, [ 139, 140 ], 143, 145, 147, [ 150, 151 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "location function , conclusion , budget balancing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said a lot of features would have to be cut because they were over budget, though some costs would still need to be checked with accountants to see if color could be added to the remote. Marketing didn't find any locator accessories listed in the quote, Project Manager said he forgot to include it. Marketing said they were getting rid of the locator, though Project Manager said they could keep it if they could get it for less than two cents. User interface said that if they made the remote colorful, it might at least be easier to find if it got lost.", "title": "Keep Locator or Not", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 64 ], 68, [ 71, 80 ], [ 114, 118 ], [ 171, 172 ], [ 176, 177 ], 182, 187 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "location function , conclusion , budget balancing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were over budget and many features would need to be cut, though some costs would still need to be checked with accountants to see if color could be added to the remote. Marketing noted that the proposed design didn't include speakers, transmitter, receiver, plus the button or device that would be on the TV for the location and asked if that was accounted for, but the Project Manager said he forgot to account for it. Project Manager said that if they had been able to raise the price, they could have made something much closer to what they expected. Marketing asked if they took into account that costs could be reduced due to the fact that it would be a mass production, but the Project Manager repeated that this should be discussed with the accountants, although for the purposes of the meeting they should stick to the suggested parameters. Marketing said they're getting rid of the locator, though Project Manager said it could only be kept if they could get it for less than two cents. User interface said that if they made the remote colorful, it might at least be easier to find if it got lost.", "title": "Keep Locator or Not", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 64 ], 68, [ 71, 80 ], [ 114, 118 ], [ 171, 172 ], [ 176, 177 ], 182, 187 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "criteria", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said they had to do a seven-scale evaluation to build more confidence in the prototype, so he listed some criteria for scoring. The evaluation criteria were based on real reactions to goals and policies, marketing strategies and user requirements.", "title": "Seven Scale Assessment Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 2, 3 ], [ 5, 9 ], 11, 17, 22, [ 25, 30 ], 34, [ 38, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "criteria", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said they had to do a seven-scale evaluation, so they listed some criteria to qualify. The average of all ratings was meant to give their prototype some confidence, and the criteria were based on real reactions to goals and policies, marketing strategies and user requirements. Marketing said that if they found some points that had a bad rating, it was because they were abandoned. Project Manager suggested looking at the evaluation criteria and then going back to evaluating the product. Project Manager also asked if there was anything to explain about the criteria or anything that stood out compared to the others. Marketing only mentioned that Real Reactions asked for fashion inspiration to design the remote.", "title": "Seven Scale Assessment Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 2, 3 ], [ 5, 9 ], 11, 17, 22, [ 25, 30 ], 34, [ 38, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speaker", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing asked what a sample speaker means and User Interface replied that it means voice response, but didn't see any point in it, Project Manager agreed and said they wouldn't accept it.", "title": "Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ 152, [ 156, 169 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speaker", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing asked what a sample speaker means and if it would be similar to what they wanted. User Interface said it means voice response, but didn't make any sense of it. Project Manager said that's voice recognition, and they wouldn't accept it.", "title": "Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ 152, [ 156, 169 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "single curve design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they had to make changes to the design as they were over budget. Project Manager proposed to make a double curve on the remote, but User Interface said it wasn't necessary, as the prototype grip design comes pretty straight. Although Project Manager said that there were curves throughout the design, User Interface proposed to leave a single curve to accommodate the joystick in a good position and leave the rest on top.", "title": "Curve Design", "relevant_turns": [ 51, [ 125, 126 ], [ 129, 131 ], 135, [ 139, 140 ], 143, 145, 147, [ 150, 151 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "single curve design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager; have an amazing four Euros over budget; altering the actual structure; at least gonna take double curved; User Interface; it needn't require it to be double curved; if you look closer at the uh at the prototype here , the lines here along the grip are actually quite straight; could just as easily be done um without curves; Project Manager; But the curves all o over hand; keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand; not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface.", "title": "Curve Design", "relevant_turns": [ 51, [ 125, 126 ], [ 129, 131 ], 135, [ 139, 140 ], 143, 145, 147, [ 150, 151 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "joystick", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that for the budget they considered the use of an integrated scroll wheel push button, as there were no technically defined criteria for a joystick. Marketing asked why it was more expensive than a single button and scroll wheel. Project Manager said that the data would have to be verified with the accountants. Marketing said that they would need four additional buttons if they wanted to replace the joystick, as they would need: up, down, left and right; and the scroll wheel would only need: forward and back. For the design of the structure of the remote, User Interface proposed a single curve to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position and leave the rest on top. Project Manager said that for the purposes of this meeting, they would keep the curved design, because it would allow for articulation and would not add much to the cost.", "title": "Joystick", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 68 ], 68, [ 99, 101 ], 103, [ 130, 131 ], 135, [ 139, 140 ], 143, 145, 147, [ 150, 151 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "joystick", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager considered as a joystick, an integrated scroll wheel push button for budgeting. Marketing asked why it was more expensive than a button and scroll wheel. Project Manager said he would like to check it out. Marketing said that they would need four scroll buttons to replace the joystick.", "title": "Joystick", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 68 ], 68, [ 99, 101 ], 103, [ 130, 131 ], 135, [ 139, 140 ], 143, 145, 147, [ 150, 151 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said maybe they could have a colorful case. User Interface said that way they could find it faster if it gets lost. Marketing asked what the default color would be. Project Manager said probably black, but liked the color they pointed out because it would help it glow even better in the dark.", "title": "Case Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 58 ], 177, 182, 187, 189, 191, [ 191, 194 ], [ 198, 199 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "case", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that maybe they could have a colorful case, because the default color was black, and it would be better to have a glow in the dark one, so it would be easier to find.", "title": "Case Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 58 ], 177, 182, 187, 189, 191, [ 191, 194 ], [ 198, 199 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Uh evaluation . {vocalsound} Basic point uh have a list of criteria that we need to rate the prototype by . {vocalsound} Um then we will {disfmarker} it's a seven s um seven seven step kinda evaluation process . So um not seven steps , seven scale . So after we've finished doing all the ratings for each criteria , we average that and that will give us some type of uh confidence in our prototype . And uh the criteria {gap} based on Real Reactions' kinda goals and policies , marketing strategies , and also those I put together from the user requirements phase . 'Kay . Um if you flip the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , those are the criteria . And uh perhaps I could have put 'em a bit better , but you notice a few things that we've totally abandoned , which means {vocalsound} that uh the product will score very badly on some of those points .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Put it mildly . So we have um true ? One , t Seven , eight , oh . Fourth . Okay , so we have to go through each point . If we imagine it's actually straight , and just give it a a score . So um how well would you say the prototype is uh how well have we realised the dream of being able to stop remotes from from being lost , or to be able to find them once they are lost . I mean , uh is the homing thing still {disfmarker} the locator , is that still {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , that's still part of the design .", "Marketing : Sure . And Adam , we can keep that in ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , I believe so . So I mean I don't think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : 'cause that would mean doing something about the human element ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Sure .", "Project Manager : but I'd like to think that we've done something about finding the damn thing once we have .", "Marketing : T", "User Interface : Mm . Mm . And making it a bright colour helps", "Marketing : Sure .", "User Interface : with the {disfmarker} personally I would have gone for purple {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm . Bright colour . So we still have that noise thing , yeah ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Os on a scale of one to seven , how would you guys rate it for finding {gap} finding it once it's lost ?", "User Interface : I'd say number one .", "Marketing : Number one ?", "Industrial Designer : One . Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . Number number one for the first criteria .", "User Interface : I think w if it was just the sounder then th {gap} I mean something I've found with uh w w with say tr trying to find uh a cordless phone or a m mobile , you can hear it , but you can't quite pin it dow pin down where it is .", "Marketing : Yeah you can tell what room the mobile is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Bu", "Industrial Designer : What about {disfmarker} what if the the volume on the T_V_'s turned up massively and uh you just wanna turn down the volume {gap} can't find remote . Suppose you have to go to the T_V_ and do it manually . Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm . Um", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like y you wouldn't hear the speaker {gap} .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : just before we go through all of the steps here , um well what we'll do is", "Marketing : You wanna say something ?", "Project Manager : um if we can look at the criteria you're gonna evaluate , and then we'll come back to the product evaluation if that's alright .", "Marketing : That's fine .", "Project Manager : Yeah , is that {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh that's that's fine .", "Project Manager : Um so is there anything here that you that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you've covered ? And then we'll come back pretty much promptly to this .", "Marketing : What do you mean cr is there anything I wanna {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I is there any of these criteria that need any explaining ? Or is there anything that yous thought tha really would stand out compared to the others ?", "Marketing : Um , a few . {vocalsound} Something I neglected from my initial research is that Real Reactions has a a goal strategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion , and clothing fashion . That is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion . So they say we put the fashion in electronics , well they really mean it they they're very big on fashion ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : so . That's this bit right here . And uh this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody ? I guess it's just the same as saying easy to use interface , so it's kinda condensed into one . And we can come back to it , you said .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So .", "Project Manager : No and which we will do very very shortly . Um . Okay . Slight problem we had was that we have an amazing four Euros over budget for what we were hoping to do . Um most of it stems from the use of the L_C_D_ which I think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well . Um the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a L_C_D_ , at which point we've removed a large part of how we were gonna interface , {gap} require more buttons , etcetera . Or what we did was that we um we as in I as I was quickly going over it was altering the actual structure . Um changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the um proposed costs and we're just scraping it in , we've got point two of a Euro left over there . So we're just managing it really . Even then as well , um there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so I've used what I think's appropriate . With any luck that won't mean that we've incurred more cost than we can actually afford to . It blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side , for example the possibility of having a U_S_B_ connection is definitely not viable now . Um .", "Marketing : Different languages ?", "Project Manager : That should still be viable . We've got an advanced chip , we've got the use of the L_C_D_ . So being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um but what's something we need to decide on is how we're gonna go from here . {vocalsound} We do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be . Um . We can I can bring the excel up sheet up and uh show you if you wish um . I really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design , possibly meaning that the L_C_D_ wouldn't be in this perfect place . It might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed and what would be good for a right handed person .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm I suppose o one thing that could be done is h {vocalsound} is have it um circular and have it s {vocalsound} so that the uh the pink {gap} actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger . Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : So that uh th", "Project Manager : It very much is about making concessions , unfortunately . Um .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Do you have any data on how much um different prints cost ? I mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design um ?", "Project Manager : Um b b b da is {disfmarker} you mean on the plastic , or ?", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Let's have a look . You now have as much information as I do . {vocalsound} Um .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : So as you can see here , for example , the battery really not very little choice in that one . We've gone for one of the cheaper options as well . Unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we're gonna do what we're needing to . I've said single curved . We really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it . Um plastic for some reason incurs no cost , which I've had to very much make advantage of , despite the fact that rubber's only got a value of two Euros per unit . Problem comes here as you can see in the interface . Um if I've read this thing correctly , then we can save point five of a Euro here in that it's not per push button . That might make sense , because then a numeric keypad would come in at um what , four point five Euros , which is an awful lot , so that could well be wrong . Even if we save point five there , it would just mean that we're most likely placing it in actually just gaining a colour for the unit , which has had to be put to one side . As you can see , the use of an L_C_ display um advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it's an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that wasn't quite what I think they had in mind with a joystick .", "Marketing : Why would why would that be more expensive than an individual push button and scroll wheel together ? That's quite significantly expensive .", "Project Manager : I {disfmarker} that's something you'll have to take up with the bean counters . Um", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm . {gap} yeah .", "Project Manager : as you can see I mean that's taken up well over half of the price .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So um I'm very much open to suggestions of where we go , but because we need to shed what was four Euros off of the um the price of for what we really desired , this one comes in under price as you can see , but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design .", "Marketing : We don't even have uh speakers here . The {disfmarker} like uh we uh {disfmarker} what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that ? Have we factored that in ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Uh no , we haven't , not {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Transmitter , receiver , speakers . Plus the extra device itself that's gonna be on a T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Is that gonna be a button , or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That'll {gap} it literally would just be a button .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We might have to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's too expensive {gap} isn't it ?", "Project Manager : It looks like almost nothing {disfmarker} Mm . Oh good call , I missed that .", "Marketing : I I mean it's not on here , but um .", "Project Manager : {gap} that's a very valid point .", "Marketing : Did they s do we have to use an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . Well that's {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : So if we're gonna go with the L_C_ display , then that's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : What's a hand dyna dynamo ? You have to wind it up ?", "Project Manager : I believe so , yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That would probably not be in keeping with the um the fashion statement and such ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Technology . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Fashion .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So basically the only new thing is the L_C_D_ on the remote now .", "Project Manager : Being manipulated by the joystick , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , and joystick , yeah .", "Project Manager : Which I'm defining as scroll wheel . Um .", "Marketing : And we couldn't replace the joystick , right ? Because we would need four extra buttons to replace it , up down left and right , and that would be more expensive than a {disfmarker} but is a scroll wheel not just back and forward ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah it's just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be , that that's what I've labelled it for the purposes of this evaluation .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} The L_C_D_ basically is the big selling point of", "Project Manager : If we remove the L_C_ display , we could save ourselves", "Industrial Designer : the remote .", "Project Manager : a fair amount . Which you could {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But that's what makes it uh original though ,", "User Interface : Mm . I think {gap} if we remove the the L_C_ display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : isn't it ?", "User Interface : and we just {gap} we could just put our branding on any other remote control .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah . Um . Uh k", "Project Manager : It's a shame . We should possibly have {disfmarker} If we could've increased the price we could've manufactured that and we could've got something far closer to what we were hoping to .", "Marketing : Does this does this bear in mind that {disfmarker} I mean it's a bit ridiculous that they're gonna charge us what is it , like this much money for three million if we're gonna buy three million components ,", "Project Manager : Again , you'll have to argue with the accountants on that one .", "Marketing : you know .", "Project Manager : Um but for the purposes of this meeting , I'm {disfmarker} we're gonna have to stick with these figures .", "Marketing : Mm . 'Kay .", "Project Manager : So , I would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we're gonna keep the L_C_ display 'cause it's about what really separates us , {vocalsound} despite the cost it's gonna incur . Um", "Marketing : I think so .", "Project Manager : are people maybe not happy with , but are willing to go ahead with this in going for a plastic solid case , to keep the L_C_D_ ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Um yeah {gap} I mean one thing , I mean ho uh how much extra would it be to to keep I mean {vocalsound} keep the um the articulation ?", "Project Manager : It's hard to tell . Um I would say that you're at least gonna take double curved ,", "User Interface : This is what I'm wondering .", "Project Manager : and even then I'm not quite sure if that's incorporating the idea of articulation .", "User Interface : Oh", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : no , I think I I it d that it needn't require it to be double curved .", "Industrial Designer : It can be s yeah , it can still be single curved ,", "User Interface : It's uh it's just {vocalsound} it's just {vocalsound} it's just that the case would come in t {vocalsound} would be made in two parts and then joined together with an articulation .", "Industrial Designer : but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Single curved with articulation ?", "Industrial Designer : You just {gap} .", "Marketing : Could we could we not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface ? 'Cause like we {disfmarker} do we have re restrictions on software ?", "Industrial Designer : That's what we need for the joystick I think though .", "User Interface : Mm . Yeah , I mean", "Marketing : Oh but there has to be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : and {vocalsound} I mean the uh I mean if you look uh if you look closer at the uh at the prototype here , the lines here along the grip are actually quite straight . Um I mean {gap} yeah ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} But the curves all o over {gap} hand ,", "User Interface : on the {gap} on the L_C_D_ I mean although we've done it with a curve it", "Project Manager : is it ?", "User Interface : could just as easily be done um without curves . The curve that's really needed is up here ,", "Marketing : {gap} joystick .", "User Interface : to put uh to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand .", "Marketing : Okay . Sure . Okay , my bad .", "Project Manager : We wouldn't actually save a lot by reducing it anyway , so I mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um unless we hear otherwise we could go ahead with that proposal .", "Marketing : So I think the product is not gonna perform so well for my criteria .", "Project Manager : Which is what we can get onto now . As long as {disfmarker} so are we gonna say {disfmarker} {gap} w we have to keep an eye on the time as well , but we're gonna say um single curved design {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , wait a minute . Sample speaker ? What is a sample speaker ? Is that somewhat similar to what we want ?", "Project Manager : It could well be ,", "User Interface : Mm no", "Project Manager : but at a cost of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : that's that voice response thing that we got the email about .", "Industrial Designer : Costs four .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : But I thought it was just completely pointless .", "Marketing : You got a email about voice response ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I did not ,", "User Interface : Alright .", "Marketing : so .", "User Interface : B i basically it was {gap} saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could , you know , say hello to , and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , yeah we'll definitely won't go with that one .", "Marketing : We won't go with that one , did you say ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's voice recognition , so .", "Marketing : I mean I {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} Okay , okay .", "Project Manager : Um . So , okay yeah , battery definitely , {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So it looks like we're gonna get rid of the whole loca {vocalsound} locator thing .", "Project Manager : It looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under point two Euros , um .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Maybe even slight well oh yeah , pretty much point two Euros , I'd say . So we'll leave that one for now . {gap} we'll just have {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Are we going for a special colour at all ?", "Project Manager : It's uh a case of um I'm uh slightly unsure . One {disfmarker} point five of a Euro for one push button doesn't sound quite right . So maybe it's a case of a push button is maybe one or more . Um .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Well", "Project Manager : At which point if {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I was {gap} for a case . Or had you already incorporated that ?", "Marketing : Oh , special colour for the case .", "Project Manager : Well you got point five there . It's literally a case of whether or not this is correct . I'm not quite sure if they're {disfmarker} I don't think they mean point five Euros per button .", "User Interface : Okay , well", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : l let's say that and then we can have our special coloured case", "Project Manager : So", "User Interface : and then we at least have {disfmarker} make it a little harder to lose .", "Project Manager : There we go .", "User Interface : Because most m most remotes are a fairly dingy colour that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap in a living room .", "Marketing : W what's the default colour ? White or black ?", "Project Manager : Black's probably the normal colour you'd say ,", "User Interface : Or grey .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : I quite like that colour that you're fetching there ,", "User Interface : Yellow . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : it's uh definitely for make it glow in the dark even better .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So will we go with that then ?", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : It's not and we can see {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : we'll come back to uh your evaluation", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Sure .", "Project Manager : which you're probably now going to pan us but there we go .", "Marketing : Okay . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So uh {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Just to give you an idea , um you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well , I'm not sure how much time . We've not hit the five minute mark warning yet ,", "Marketing : Right okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : but .", "Industrial Designer : Think it's ten minutes left . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Ten ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 36, "turns": [ 238, 267 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "potential cost pressure , application , battery status display", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said it was handy to put a battery status display on it, but it was dragging the production costs, which should be attention.", "title": "Marketing Thoughts of Potential Cost Pressure Incurred by the Application of Battery Status Display", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "potential cost pressure , application , battery status display", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the status display was really dragging up the costs.", "title": "Marketing Thoughts of Potential Cost Pressure Incurred by the Application of Battery Status Display", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 23 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : And other functions for a remote control ? Maybe we can make it uh uh", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um . Think it has to be shock proof", "User Interface : Sure , yeah .", "Marketing : 'cause", "Project Manager : Shock proof .", "Marketing : my remote control tends to fall a lot .", "User Interface : Waterproof , or uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Sure .", "User Interface : Uh , you never no know uh ,", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I w I mean uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Waterproof . Okay . So these are our um a few things we can think of . Um I will put the minutes from this meeting uh in our project folder .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Yeah , one other little thing . Thought it might be handy to put a battery status display on it .", "Project Manager : That's a {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So you can see", "Project Manager : battery stays .", "User Interface : Okay , yeah .", "Marketing : how much is left in the battery . But they'll also really drag up the production costs , so think we'll have to see about that too .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Uh .", "Marketing : But maybe just a little LED , I don't know .", "Project Manager : That's an idea as well . Other ideas ? Quick ideas .", "Industrial Designer : Nope .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : They were all mentioned ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 50, "turns": [ 76, 90 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new curriculum", "speaker": "Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM thought about expectations that would be at a slightly older level contained within the foundation phase. With the introduction of the new curriculum, there were certain expectations on schools to provide a healthy environment and actively work towards well-being and healthy weight in children and things. Suzy Davies AM said this was why she asked about the local leadership, because in the case that it failed for reasons that had nothing to do with the plan at the foundation phase, it was going to fail further up the school years.", "title": "Suzy Davies AM Thoughts on the New Curriculum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new curriculum", "speaker": "Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM; Healthy Wales' fits in with the new plans for the new curriculum, whether it's merely persuasive and influential or whether it has the weight to place some obligations on school leaders about what they do in their schools; quite an important one, if the strategy development board could consider that, it would be very helpful because this doesn't exist in a vacuum.", "title": "Suzy Davies AM Thoughts on the New Curriculum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "local leadership", "speaker": "Suzy Davies , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM thought they all agreed that healthy habits acquired early on tend to last quite well and wondered if Lynne Neagle AM could tell them a little bit about the healthy and sustainable preschool scheme and her thoughts on the timescales should be made public about local leadership. Dr Frank Atherton remembered the Minister actually at the launch, and one of the schools was represented there.", "title": "Acquiring Healthy Habits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 5, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "local leadership", "speaker": "Suzy Davies , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM talked of the probability of Lynne Neagle AM being aware that the committee had heard from various school leaders that they were struggling in some cases to meet the ratio of staffing for the foundation phase, this potentially compromised its purpose in terms of physical activity. Dr Frank Atherton knew it was schools rather than preschools, but some of the schools they had been working with had absolutely brilliant models of good practice and good local leadership. They presented to the whole audience about the activities that they undertook in their school around physical activity and healthy eating said it was such a model of good behavior.", "title": "Physical Activities in Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 5, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "education", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked Suzy Davies AM whether had any discussions with education officials around things like teacher training and CPD because the Health and Social Care Committee had made a number of recommendations in the area. Dr Frank Atherton said they certainly discussed education colleagues in Welsh Government. There was more they needed to do because there was something about building the whole of the workforce, education was really important and it was about how they made every contact count.", "title": "Discussions with the Education Officials", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "education", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked if it was crucial for them to skill up the staff. Dr Frank Atherton said everybody working in the health and social care system needed to have a role in it and everybody who worked in education asked if they still had dinner ladies or teachers, they had a role to play in supporting children to be as healthy as they possibly could. Dr Frank Atherton saw them as an essential part of the public health workers and said would not like to blame a teacher or performance manage them in the proportion of their class who were overweight and said they were part of the solution and accountability lay further up the chain.", "title": "Role of Teachers in Children's Health", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 14 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. We're going to move on now to talk about how we create healthy settings. I've got some questions from Suzy Davies.", "Suzy Davies AM : Thank you very much. Yes, perhaps if we could just stay in this area of education just for a moment, I think we all agree that healthy habits acquired early on probably tend to last quite well, so I wonder if you can tell us a little bit about the healthy and sustainable preschool scheme and whether you think some timescales should be made public about what you expect the achievements from that scheme to be. But, in particular, I was struck with what you said about local leadership, and I just want you to bear that in mind in answering the next question, which is about the foundation phase. You're probably aware that this committee has heard from various school leaders that they're struggling in some cases to meet the ratio of staffing for the foundation phase, which potentially compromises the purpose of it in terms of physical activity.\u00a0I'm just wondering how the strategy development board is considering that at the moment. Is it something that's come on the radar for the board? Is it something you're thinking about? And, if so, who do you think should be responsible for pinning that down a little bit? Because this is education, not health, and\u2014.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, look, I've got to confess to you, I'm not an educationist, and so the question on staffing numbers in schools is not one that I have been asked to give a deal of consideration to, and it hasn't really been discussed, I don't believe, in the context of development of the strategy. If there is a specific point around that that the committee would like to make in terms of a response into the consultation, which I presume you'll be making, then we'd be happy to consider that. As to healthy preschools, I don't know, Nathan may have some view on that. I've not been closely involved with the work. We have standards and we perhaps need to think about how we tighten those standards and how we\u2014enforce isn't the right word, but how we implement and make sure that those standards are properly implemented, because you're absolutely right to say that habits are developed early in life. That's in the preschool; it's also in the home of course, and then later in the school. So, we do need to look at all of those as settings and are there more things we can do within those settings to drive healthier behaviours\u2014that's exactly why we need the consultation.", "Nathan Cook : But I would say, through that scheme as well, we've really got a really good bank of preschools that are actually doing some really great work in this area as well. So, I think the more we can understand the successes that some of those environments are having\u2014you know, how we can roll those out and work across other settings to create that wider impact as well is going to be really important.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. Thank you. What I'm thinking about is expectations at that level will be expectations at a slightly older level, which will be contained within the foundation phase. And while you're quite right\u2014obviously, parents have a role in this, or families\u2014there will be, particularly with the introduction of the new curriculum, certain expectations on schools to provide not just healthy environments but to actively work towards well-being and healthy weight in children and things. And that's why I asked you about local leadership, because, if it fails for reasons that have nothing to do with the plan at foundation phase, it's going to fail further up the school years as well. I think it might be something that the board might want to consider here, because at some point there'll be an accountability question and we will want to know how 'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' fits in with the new plans for the new curriculum, and whether it's merely persuasive and influential or whether it has the weight to place some obligations on school leaders about what they do in their schools. So, this connection, I think, is quite an important one, and, if the strategy development board could consider that, I think it would be very helpful, because this doesn't exist in a vacuum.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, I'd certainly be delighted to\u00a0take that back and we can look at it in terms of how we move from the consultation into the final strategy. It's certainly a point we can try and look at.", "Suzy Davies AM : Because we will want to know who to ask: 'you're the accountable person\u2014why has something worked, or not worked?' We will need to know that at some point.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Just building on Nathan's point, some of the schools\u2014I know it's schools rather than the preschools, and I take your point, but some of the schools we've been working with have absolutely brilliant models of good practice and good local leadership. I remember the Minister actually at the launch, and one of the schools was represented there, and they presented\u2014the school came and some of the children came and presented\u2014to the whole audience about the activities that they were undertaking in their school around physical activity and on healthy eating, and it was such a model of good behaviour the question was, 'Well, why not everywhere?', so that probably speaks to your question.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay, well, thank you for that commitment anyway.", "Lynne Neagle AM : And have you had any discussions, then, with education officials around things like teacher training and CPD, because you'll be aware the Health and Social Care Committee has made a number of recommendations in this area? It's crucial that we skill up the staff to develop these things in an appropriate way, isn't it?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, we certainly discuss with education colleagues in Welsh Government. There's more we need to do in terms of that, because you're absolutely right: there's something about building the whole of the workforce\u2014education is really important, but elsewhere as well; it's about how do we really make every contact count, you know, that construct. So, everybody who's working in the health and social care system should have a role in this; everybody who works in education, whether it's the old\u2014. Do we still have dinner ladies? Or teachers, you know, they have a role to play in supporting children to be as healthy as they possibly can. And, actually, I see them, Chair, as a really essential part of the public health workforce.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Suzy, are you going to do your curriculum one?", "Suzy Davies AM : Well, I've bound it in together, but that final point you make about teachers being part of the answer to this, they're already under a range of pressures: is it fair to make them accountable for whether this works or not? Or should that local leadership lie somewhere else? I don't expect you to pin down a person today.", "Dr Frank Atherton : I wouldn't like to blame a teacher or performance manage them on the proportion of their children in their class who are overweight. That would clearly be nonsense, wouldn't it? But they are part of the solution, and so the accountability lies further up the chain, doesn't it? The question I think we would have, and public services boards might well ask, and the local education authorities may well ask, is: how effective is any particular school at driving forwards these healthy behaviours?", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay, thank you. I'll leave some questions for Hefin." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 71, "turns": [ 95, 120 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "$ 75 million , sexual exploitation , human trafficking", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mrs. Karen Vecchio (ElginMiddlesexLondon, CPC) joined critics from the NDP, the Bloc, and the Green Party to ask where the money spent on sexual exploitation and human trafficking went and insisted on getting answers for the young girls and women looking for support from the government saying the calls in organizations have gone up significantly. Hon. Bill Blair (Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) said there was a new, comprehensive national strategy to combat human trafficking, and a new pillar had been incorporated into that strategy of empowerment. Hon. Maryam Monsef (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Rural Economic Development) confirmed that many organizations had been funded and more support would be given in the future.", "title": "Support for Vulnerable Women", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "$ 75 million , sexual exploitation , human trafficking", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mrs. Karen Vecchio (ElginMiddlesexLondon, CPC) asked where the $75 million toward sexual exploitation and human trafficking has gone saying many organizations had closed support programs and over 500 organizations that dealt with sexual assault and shelters, did not receive funding. Also, calls to centers like Battered Women's Support Services have gone up by 300 times, calling for big concern about what made this group of assault services and shelters ineligible. Mrs. Karen Vecchio emphasized that the need was immediate for instance, at London Abused Women's Centre, calls were up by 45%. The money was needed immediately. Hon. Bill Blair (Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) and Hon. Maryam Monsef (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Rural Economic Development) responded by agreeing to the importance and urgency of the support offered to organizations saying that there was a new program and new strategies to provide the most needed support to organizations but also that hundreds of organizations had already received funds and more would be said and done on the matter in the future.", "title": "Support for Vulnerable Women", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "gender equality", "speaker": "Mrs. Karen Vecchio , Mrs. Karen Vecchio , Hon . Carolyn Bennett ( Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations )" }, "summary": "Mrs. Karen Vecchio asked how a feminist government could support the women whose titles were stripped from them. The answers given were that work was been done to move the historic agreement forward and that the Wet'suwet'en nation was in the process of determining its desired government style.", "title": "Support for Women Stripped of Their Titles", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "gender equality", "speaker": "Mrs. Karen Vecchio , Mrs. Karen Vecchio , Hon . Carolyn Bennett ( Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations )" }, "summary": "Mrs. Karen Vecchio asked how a feminist government could support the Wet'suwet'en First Nation women whose titles were stripped from them noting that the decisions were made by the hereditary chiefs, not the elected chiefs. Hon. Carolyn Bennett (Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations) said that the route to self-determination was to have first nations, determine their own governance and abide by their own laws. Right now the Wet'suwet'en nation was in the process of choosing its style of government.", "title": "Support for Women Stripped of Their Titles", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 19 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Mrs. Karen Vecchio (ElginMiddlesexLondon, CPC) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. Today I join critics from the NDP, the Bloc and the Green Party who deal with women's issues and gender equality to ask where the $75 million toward sexual exploitation and human trafficking has gone. Last week organizations had to close their doors and the programs that help vulnerable women and girls, so the simple question is this: Where is the money?", "Hon. Bill Blair (Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) : Mr. Chair, let me begin by thanking the member for that very important question. I agree that human trafficking, which is a crime of coercion and exploitation, is unacceptable, and we have to ensure that we provide the supports necessary to the victims of this crime. As the member knows, we have launched a new, comprehensive national strategy to combat human trafficking, and we've incorporated a new pillar in that strategy of empowerment to ensure that the focus", "The Chair : We'll go back to Ms. Vecchio.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : With all due respect, it's great that we have a strategy, but when money is not going to the doors of these organizations that provide these services, a strategy is nothing. It's all talk and no action. Where's the money?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef (Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Rural Economic Development) : Mr. Chair, let me pick up where my honourable colleague left off by acknowledging that trafficking is a heinous crime and that hundreds of organizations across the country are working to solve the challenges that come with human trafficking. I remind my honourable colleague that hundreds of organizations have received supports, and we will have more to announce to further support", "The Chair : We'll go back to Ms. Vecchio.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : It's so very simple. What should we tell the young women and girls looking for these supports right now? What is the answer from the government?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef : Mr. Chair, no one should have to live a life with violence, whether it's sexual, physical, financial or emotional, and that the government of Canada", "The Chair : We'll go back to Mrs. Vecchio.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : Thank you very much. Yesterday I happened to be part of the health committee, and the Battered Women's Support Services representative was there as a witness. She shared with me that the organizations that she is associated with, over 500 organizations that deal with sexual assault and shelters, did not receive funding. Can you explain why?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef : Mr. Chair, I want to thank Angela and the team at the Battered Women's Support Services. They are receiving funds through Feminists Deliver, but there are hundreds of organizations that will receive additional funds to provide the critical care that they need to support front lines and the most vulnerable in their communities, and we will have more to say soon.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : Mr. Chair, we know that calls to centres like Battered Women's Support Services have gone up by 300 times, so this is a huge concern I have. What made this group of assault services and shelters ineligible?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef : Mr. Chair, my colleague is putting words in my mouth. As I said, hundreds of organizations like the Battered Women's Support Services are going to be receiving funds from the federal government in the coming days. We thank them for their work and we will have more to say very soon.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : Mr. Chair, the need is now. For instance, at London Abused Women's Centre, calls are up by 45%. I've heard from communities where they've gone up 200%. As I said, yesterday I heard 300%. The money is needed now. Where is the money for this program?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef : Mr. Chair, some organizations are seeing demands up as high as 400% with their capacity limited by 400%. We've centres and women's shelters, and 700 have received funds, with more to come soon. I appreciate that this Parliament includes consensus among all colleagues that feminism and supporting women", "The Chair : We'll go back to Ms. Vecchio.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : If we're talking about being a feminist government, I have one single question. Yesterday the minister was not willing to answer the question, so I will ask the Minister for Women and Gender Equality. How can a feminist government support the Wet'suwet'en First Nation women whose titles were stripped from them?", "Hon. Maryam Monsef : Mr. Chair, it sounds like my honourable colleague wants to compare their record on advancing equality with ours. We are happy to do that, and the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations has been working very hard to move this historic agreement forward.", "Mrs. Karen Vecchio : These women have lost their titles, and the decisions were made with the hereditary chiefs and not the elected chiefs. Why is this government not standing up for these women hereditary chiefs who were stripped of their titles?", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett (Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations) : Mr. Chair, I think the honourable member knows that the route to self-determination is to have first nations, Inuit, and Mtis determine their own governance and abide by their own laws. Right now the Wet'suwet'en nation is in that process of determining what kind of governance they would like.", "The Chair : We'll now go on to Mr. Sweet.", "Mr. David Sweet (FlamboroughGlanbrook, CPC) : Thank you, Chair. The Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act has passed both houses of Congress in the United States and is now on the way to the Oval Office for signature. What is Canada's position on this Muslim minority being jailed and re-educated by the Communist Party of China?", "Hon. Mary Ng (Minister of Small Business, Export Promotion and International Trade) : Mr. Chair, we are deeply concerned by the human rights situation faced by the Uighurs and other minorities in China. This is an issue our government has raised directly with the Chinese. Canada has also repeatedly voiced its concerns at the UN Human Rights Council. We will continue to call on", "The Chair : We'll go back to Mr. Sweet.", "Mr. David Sweet : The Burmese government is another being exploited by the CPC. Their Muslim minority was driven out and now languishes in Bangladesh, which is a commonwealth partner in the midst of this global pandemic. What will Canada do to answer the injustice done to the Rohingya?", "Hon. Mary Ng : Canada will always stand with human rights. Canada has repeatedly voiced its concerns with the UN Human Rights Council. We will continue to call on the Chinese government to ensure that human rights of all of its people, including the freedom of religion, are fully respected." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 40, "turns": [ 774, 930 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project , overall process", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that they weren't given a lot of time or materials to design the task. 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Marketing said that they were very creative in coming up with ideas like the conceptual and functional and Industrial Designer added that they were just limited by resources as they couldn't afford most of them so lack of resources did limit their creativity.", "title": "Reasons for Limited Creativity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leadership , teamwork", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the leadership and teamwork were good. 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So we've {disfmarker} 'Kay . Yes we are . So we need to do a product evaluation , again ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : which is probably um {disfmarker} I dunno . A different extension of a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Of the actual project rather than the product ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : A project ? Is is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah 'cause we're talking about leadership , teamwork .", "Industrial Designer : yeah . So wh how we actually went round uh about doing it .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Alright so um {disfmarker} Do you guys feel like there was room for creativity ?", "Industrial Designer : I think we were pushed .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Pushed for creativity ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I mean we weren't really given a lot of time , or materials , yeah , to go about our design task .", "User Interface : The ma Or materials . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So I think we could've done with a bit more time .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Ye Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So it'd be like need more time and materials . But you were allowed m creativity ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think so as like {disfmarker} but you were supposed to have creativ", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah and the conceptual and functional . Like we were very creative in in coming up with an idea I guess , but m", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Well we were just limited by resources really and like if we had decided to use the L_C_D_ screen , and like solar power backup and everything , then we wouldn't have been able to afford that .", "Marketing : When we can down to it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So that did limit creativity .", "User Interface : Creativity .", "Project Manager : Right", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Just resources .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Industrial Designer : But yeah . The fruit and veg idea . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Great .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Leadership ? Is this me being like , guys do you like me ? Um . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Good leadership , I think we stayed on task .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah we did . We've , uh {disfmarker} seeing as we've come out with what we intended . A pro um a product within the budget . I think that's a sign of good leadership", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and also our personal coach helped us along the way ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so you know {disfmarker} I think it's been fine .", "Marketing : And the timing was good . We never were pushed for time , or sat around doing nothing , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Good timing .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Oop {gap} Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Teamwork ?", "Industrial Designer : And project manager of course .", "Project Manager : I think we worked great as a team . Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Was good teamwork . I think we are well-suited to our roles .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Alright how were our means ?", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We needed more Play Doh colours .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah and more Play Doh ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : 'cause that was all the red we had .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So even if we wanted to make a bigger prototype , we wouldn't have been able to .", "User Interface : Yeah , it c it might've been bigger . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh really ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} But ever everything else was satisfactory ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Is that good {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . The computer programmes are good .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . It could be really straightforward for the computer .", "Marketing : The {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think the only thing was having to remember to you know to tick the okays", "Marketing : Yeah . I don't think there was anything {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but I think I was the only one who struggled with that . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I'm actually not sure if I've saved my presentations . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Uh me too .", "Marketing : They'll probably still be there .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : New ideas found . I don't really know what that means .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well I think we've all learnt stuff from each other ,", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : like the n um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Through discussion .", "Industrial Designer : yeah . Just about each different {gap} . Got new ideas from each other . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'm not sure , new ideas found .", "Project Manager : Hmm ?", "Marketing : Yeah well I guess we really {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} we bounced off of each other , which was cool .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Like based on marketing stuff and then you'd say something about interface and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah , worked well .", "User Interface : And we were a able to modify each other's ideas", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : to fit in with our areas of expertise . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Each other's {gap}", "Marketing : Oh does it have smart materials by the way ?", "Industrial Designer : Sorry ?", "Marketing : Does it have smart materials ?", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well mm , did it come into the into {disfmarker}", "User Interface : If if it if it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I dunno if we counted that in the costs . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : If it can be afforded .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay ? Well with that achieved , our last slide is our closing slide .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes our costs are within budget . It's evaluated generally positively .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And um don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Then we celebrate", "Industrial Designer : Uh . Fantastic .", "User Interface : Yay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} By watching T_V_ ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : in such a way that I have no idea .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , brilliant .", "Project Manager : Alright ?", "Industrial Designer : Thank you very much . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , bye . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm . Conclusion ? Dadada ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 16, "turns": [ 20, 33 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "main characteristic", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that sixty percent of the users were from ages of sixteen to forty, so the main characteristic of this group was that they were very critical about spending their money, it wouldn't be easy. The ages of forty to sixty make up nearly half of the market, and they wouldn't care less about features, and they spend a lot of money, in an easier way. It said that based on that main characteristics, it indicates that from their design, they should make a remote for the future, focusing on the main characteristics of the group from ages sixteen to forty-five.", "title": "Marketing Talking about Main Characteristics of Groups", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "main characteristic", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that sixty percent of the market consists of users from ages of sixteen to forty-six, so the main characteristic of this group was that they were very critical of the remote control, they like to use new functions, but they were very critical about spending their money, it wouldn't be easy. The ages of forty-six to sixty-five make up forty percent of the market, and they were not very interested in features, and they spend their money a lot easier. It that they should make a remote for the future, and that means that they should have a focus on the ages of sixteen to forty-five and that it makes up most of the biggest part of their market, so their main profit would be gettable for there.", "title": "Marketing Talking about Main Characteristics of Groups", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "market expert", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that it was the Market Expert, but they already knew that. Marketing did research, in a lab, and handed to users questionnaires, to one hundred subjects. They did market research. After that, it said if anyone had any questions, and no one said anything about the market expert.", "title": "Marketing Saying that It Was the Market Expert", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 3, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "market expert", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; I'm the Market Expert; done some research; usability lab; observed; user; questionnaire; one hundred; market research; Any questions.", "title": "Marketing Saying that It Was the Market Expert", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 3, 8 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : 'Kay . My name is Freek Van Ponnen . I'm the Market Expert . But you already knew that . Um I've done some research . We have we uh have been doing research in a usability lab where we observed um users operating remote controls . Uh we let them fill out a questionnaire . We had one hundred of these uh test subjects . Uh in addition we did some market research . Uh see what the market consists of . What ages are involved . Well these are three quite astonishing results , I thought . Um remotes are being considered ugly . F uh seventy five percent of the um people questioned uh indicated that they thought their remote were was ugly . Um and an additional eighty percent indicated that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control . So {disfmarker} Um in addition remotes were not very functional . Fifty percent of the people indicated they only loo used about ten percent of the buttons on a remote control . And fifty percent of the people indicated that their remote tended to get lost in their room . So", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : some things . Then we did some research to the most relevant functions . Channel selection and volume selection um both got a ten on a scale of one to ten for relevancy . The power button got a nine . And teletext got a six and a half . So these are the most most uh important functions on a remote control . Then there are some one-time use function . That's what I like to call them . That uh audio settings , video settings , and channel settings buttons . Which are not really used very frequently , but are still considered to be of some importance . Um channel selection was also indicated to be used very frequently . One hundred and sixty eight times per hour . Then these are the {disfmarker} This is the market . Um sixty percent of the market consists of users between the ages sixteen and forty f six . Um {disfmarker} Main characteristic of this group is that they're very critical on the remote control . Um they like to use new f new functions . But they also are very critical . They won't spend their money very easily . So {disfmarker} Um the users of forty six to sixty five years cons The make up forty percent of the market . They are not really very interested in features . But they do tend to spend their money a lot easier . What I think this indicates for our um design . I think we should make a remote for the future . And this means we would um have to focus on the age ages sixteen to forty five . Uh this also makes up most the biggest part of the market , so that will also be where our main profit would be gettable . Um this would mean we would have to make a fancy design . Um {disfmarker} The results also indicated that um about one quarter of the people questioned thought that the remote control caused R_S_ R_S_I_ . Um this is certainly something to take into account . And thirty four percent thought that it was hard to learn a n how to operate a new control , remote control . So these are two factors that I think should be included in the design . Besides of course that the remote must look very nice . And the functionality {disfmarker} As a lot of people indicated , they only use about ten percent of the buttons , I think we should make very few buttons . Uh this will also be uh beneficial to the design of the remote . Uh I think the most frequently used buttons should be emphasised . Especially the channel selection and audio uh selection buttons . 'Cause they're used most and so they should be robust . They shouldn't break down easily . Um {disfmarker} Then as mo as a lot of people indicated that their um remote got lost in the room , it might be and I say might be because it would um certainly boost the uh production costs a lot . But it might be a good idea to make a docking station . And this would , could get a button in it which would send a signal to the remote which would then beep . So you'd know where it is in the room . And in addition to this it could um recharge the batteries in the remote if you put it in . Then um a surprisingly great deal of people w indicated that um an L_C_D_ screen in the remote control would be preferred . This was um mostly people in the age of sixteen to twenty five . But up till forty five it remains feasible . This would also greatly increase the production costs but I think these are just some small factors we could consider .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : That would be all .", "Project Manager : Thank you . So anybody have um any questions until now ?", "Marketing : Any questions ?", "Project Manager : About functional requirements ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : that's clear . {gap} Now to the second .", "Marketing : 'Kay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 193, 262 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "display", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they put in a display, and the flip-up, now they were adding all kind of things and that if they had the display on the flip-up when they close would lock it, and maybe because the display was more user-friendly.", "title": "Marketing Talking About the Display", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "display", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they put in a display, and the flip-up, and all kinds of things, and with the display, they saw what they did, and so maybe the display could be incorporated with easiness of use and other things.", "title": "Marketing Talking About the Display", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different type", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that had to see what consumers what, and also copied a different type of remote, also said that there was only one in there, in the trend watch, they were stealing their product.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Different Type", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "different type", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; have; copied; different type of remote; find me; only; one; here; trend watch.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Different Type", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Okay , I also have a f {vocalsound} very simple presentation ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I also have uh copied a different type of remote . If you can find me , where I'm at . {vocalsound} There should only be one in here . {gap} trend watch .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Sure .", "Marketing : It's being modified .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} They're stealing our product . {vocalsound} We've been giving simple {vocalsound} questionnaires in different areas because th {gap} obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today , 'cause uh trends change very very quickly . In six months maybe this idea is already gone out the window , so it's gonna be a question how fast we can act . Uh they already erased the rest of mine , huh .", "Industrial Designer : No ,", "User Interface : No , no .", "Industrial Designer : f go to findings .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No no , no no . {vocalsound} 'Cause I had another comment there . Uh the market trend . This is what we know from the last uh {disfmarker} from the {vocalsound} questionnaires from the the {disfmarker} all the p surveys we've done , fancy and feel-good , that's what we've been looking for , something that feels good in the hand , that's easy to use . Looking for next generation of innovation , because all the remotes out there now , they're all very similar , they all do the same thing ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : we have to have something completely different . Okay ? Easy to use , has always has become {disfmarker} has become another major interest that uh , with the whiteboard we can see that it's a remote that's easy to use . And I think this is another thing that's interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting tel technology . So even if we have a product that may be more expensive , if it comes out right , if they {gap} look {disfmarker} it looks and feels good and has technology . The second two , you can see the last one is a very easy simple design . {vocalsound} The second one , there is about uh forty-five thousand different buttons on it , which makes it fairly hard to read , uh very hard to use .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : The first one , I see {vocalsound} that they put in a display . Now there's something else uh with the little flip-up , now we're adding all kinds of things in ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : but with the little flip-up , if you have a little display on the flip-up that when you close it everything is locked .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Maybe the display also makes it easier to use , because sometimes when you're looking for buttons , maybe if you see a display {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Context-sensitive instructions , depending on what the tel what mode the T_V_ or the D_V_D_ or something else is in .", "User Interface : Right .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay Because I've seen {disfmarker} mostly the standard ones ,", "User Interface : Especially you might need something like that for training the speech recognition and", "Marketing : yeah . Now you have it {disfmarker} now you have one with the very simple also . The idea is simple , but with a display , so you can see what you're doing .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use , trendy , fancy , feels good , {vocalsound} uh with a display , wood , designer wood , designer colours", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You know , maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device id you could send them like um {vocalsound} a uh {vocalsound} uh b some sort of a foam rubber um ball ,", "Marketing : , we might've {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and then they would squeeze it , and it would take the shape of their hand .", "User Interface : Yeah , so it's really molded to to your specific {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} To t {vocalsound} an and then you would know like {vocalsound} um what the geometry of their hands would be and uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : How hard they squeeze ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yes {vocalsound} you'd know what kind of wood to get .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Resistance resistance , right . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But th for that you'd also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that if {disfmarker} unless everyone has their own personal remote .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's right , that's right , you wouldn't wanna go too far down that . Oh that {disfmarker} that actually would uh increase the um {disfmarker} the revenues we could expect , yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : The sales , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The {disfmarker} Yeah . I hope so .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No , but incorporating the three uh obviously it'd be something totally new on the market , totally different", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and from {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , already the customisability is a really good sort of new gimmick .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Although , what it {disfmarker} was it uh {disfmarker} it was uh Nokia that came out with this changeable colours .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Right , you take it apart , and put on another face , take it off and put on another face", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Right , mm .", "User Interface : And that took off , yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : and then they sold millions , millions . So . So say with the f with the findings , with the research , easy to use something totally new .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : We have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 40, "turns": [ 8, 213 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype , remote control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said it was a simple design, based on a mango, and they had the company logo and the infrared there, and the on-off button, then said that the LED was in the little Rs and that all the buttons were accessible from the thumbs.", "title": "User Interface Talking About the Remote Control Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "prototype , remote control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface; This is what we came up; pretty simple design; based on a mango; we have the company logo; this will be the infrared here; the on off button kind; middle of one of the little Rs; other one; power; We wanted; accessible from your thumb; that was a mistake; that's a zero; take that one off; I was in charge of the numbers.", "title": "User Interface Talking About the Remote Control Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "colours", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer started with a limited range of colours, but having interchangeable cases, it wasn't true colours.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Colours", "relevant_turns": [ [ 152, 161 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "colours", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that for the colours, they had a limited range of colours for that prototype, but they thought that, with the interchangeable casing, it was not a representation of the true colours. 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Industrial Designer asked how it felt in their hand.", "title": "Industrial Designer and User Interface Talking About Palm", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 22 ], [ 137, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "palm", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; palm-held; User Interface; palm-held; Industrial Designer; How it fits; palm.", "title": "Industrial Designer and User Interface Talking About Palm", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 22 ], [ 137, 139 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : {vocalsound} This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simple design . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And {vocalsound} we {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : On ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Mango shape .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} A mango . Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . And we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared here", "Industrial Designer : The L_E_D_ .", "User Interface : and this'll be the power point , the on off button kind {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh . Okay .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Marketing : I'm sorry .", "Project Manager : Oops .", "Marketing : What was the {disfmarker} where's the L_E_D_ ?", "User Interface : It's in the middle of one of the little R_s .", "Marketing : Oh . Okay .", "User Interface : And then the other one is the power . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to be", "Industrial Designer : So it's palm-held .", "User Interface : accessible from your thumb", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {disfmarker} yeah palm-held", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : and all the buttons are accessible from your thumb .", "Project Manager : Notice you have a number ten button .", "User Interface : So you don't have to {disfmarker} Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You just need the nought . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Right no , that's a zero .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Take that one off . {vocalsound} Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No problem .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Ah .", "User Interface : And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus .", "Industrial Designer : So one plus one would be eleven ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You can go one , three or something .", "Industrial Designer : or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh . You press a plus button ?", "User Interface : You press that first and then you go one three yeah .", "Project Manager : Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before .", "User Interface : Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than ten and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah because if you {disfmarker} on your average um remote , if you press one twice you just go to {disfmarker} um or uh say you wanted channel twelve , you press one , and then you go to channel one , and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Oh , there's no e", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two .", "User Interface : So the plus and then {disfmarker}", "Marketing : okay .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Project Manager : I", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : But {disfmarker} Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one or two ?", "User Interface : No no , th all {disfmarker} that's why we have all these numbers . These numbers um these numbers all work independently up to nine . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah but I mean if you press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards .", "User Interface : Yeah . Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine .", "Project Manager : Yeah I know , but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go to channel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixty five ?", "Marketing : Sixty .", "User Interface : You p Oh . No you press the plus first .", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "User Interface : I I {disfmarker} well it doesn't {disfmarker} we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : but she says plus {disfmarker} {vocalsound} press {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well I don't mind , we can further define that .", "User Interface : what do you think is simpler ?", "Project Manager : I th Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It's a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem that it went to channel six first , in like on the way to channel sixty five .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah it wouldn't be a problem . But I was just wondering", "Industrial Designer : But I suppose it's not as snappy .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : like as long as we realise that's what it'll do .", "Marketing : Well the there is a {disfmarker} there's a delay on remotes I think .", "User Interface : Oops . Yeah .", "Marketing : Where you can have it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : it's like a five second input time .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . If you don't put it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So as long as you hit them dada", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : that {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} it should be fine .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Was there {disfmarker} so on the top there is volume and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And channel ,", "User Interface : A channel .", "Industrial Designer : which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it , like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Channel up volume up . Okay cool .", "Project Manager : C_ and V_ .", "User Interface : Just so we can flick {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Right , where um where's the power button ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It's the bigger R_ .", "Marketing : It's the R_ .", "Project Manager : Oh okay .", "Industrial Designer : So it's just like {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : so it's all accessible . Without m taking your hand off the remote .", "Industrial Designer : We deci", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah um we went for like a a circular design for the numbers", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb .", "Project Manager : Oh okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh e ergonomics are all considered .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Ergonomic , definitely ergonomic .", "User Interface : And {vocalsound} it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though .", "User Interface : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But yeah , no I mean it's a different movement", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : so {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um and the feel of it , I mean , we've made this out of Play Doh , which is representing the , you know , the rubber , and the spongy rubberness .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The spon yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um 'cause it was said before in the material specification that this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this anti-R_S_I_ um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and it just feels feels different .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Bit of a stress ball feel .", "Industrial Designer : Would you like to feel it yourselves ?", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes . I would .", "Industrial Designer : How it fits in the palm of your hand ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : My goodness .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Thanks .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} There you go .", "Industrial Designer : And you ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Genevieve ?", "Marketing : Yes", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : . Oh it's nice . Oh I think I killed the five .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I did .", "Project Manager : And something hmm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I killed the four . Oh god . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : O Okay , as for the colours , we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype .", "User Interface : Of Play Doh yeah .", "Marketing : Oh it smells good . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But we're thinking that , seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casing anyway , that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use . Or the combination . Um and we're thinking to carry-on with the fruit and vegetable theme , the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit , like banana could be black and yellow , watermelon red and green ,", "Project Manager : Oh right .", "Industrial Designer : or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends in", "User Interface : 'Cause it'd be quite subtle and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish .", "Project Manager : Yeah . It looks more {disfmarker} Think like vanilla and banana would .", "Industrial Designer : Banana's more representative of our colour scheme , like the company {disfmarker} the yellow and black .", "Project Manager : Okay yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So that {disfmarker} for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I mean watermelon , you know , m probably appealing to the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Kinda Christmas , you know .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , seasonal .", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Apple green , brown , more kinda trendy , you know , khaki {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : The pomegranate's kinda girly and funky kind of ,", "Project Manager : Cool .", "User Interface : and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated {vocalsound} customer who just wants something that fits in with all decor .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Okay . Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device , I mean you don't need to use both hands , one hand to hold this and type in with the other , you can just use your thumb .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um , as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-R_S_I_ and that's about it .", "Project Manager : Alright , thank you very much .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Good work everyone .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Bravo {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Alright . And so now that we've we have a prototype , uh we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches uh what our budget can handle .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So , I have something I'm going to {disfmarker} Oh wait a minute .", "Marketing : You want the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Do you need to do a presentation first ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I don't know what order it goes in .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I'm gonna check that out for a second .", "Marketing : I have one .", "Industrial Designer : Mm go {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What time is it anyw", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah sorry you're right . Evaluation criteria is next in line .", "Marketing : Evaluation cri Okay . That's me .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Hello . Oh there we go . Okay . Come on my computer . Come on . {vocalsound} Sorry my computer's giving me technical difficulties .", "Project Manager : Just press um function eight again .", "Marketing : Should I press it again ? Last time I did that it sh Okay . You're right .", "Project Manager : And then again I think . One more time .", "Marketing : Oh . Still not there .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 7, "turns": [ 24, 37 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "function", "speaker": "user interface" }, "summary": "The User Interface was suggesting in front of the Project Manager that it was essential to understand what kind of functions a remote control should have included and then to consider what kind of functions the remote control needed to complete. The main functions, according to the User Interface were those that allowed to set up the remote control in the first place.", "title": "User Interface's Perception of Remote Control Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "function", "speaker": "user interface" }, "summary": "The User Interface was making a presentation during the meeting with the Project manager. The subject was about possible functions of the remote control that would be offered to the user after the product got launched. The User Interface was suggesting that it was essential to understand what kind of functions a remote control should include and then considering what kind of functions the remote control needed to complete.", "title": "User Interface's View on Remote Control Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 10 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Okay . Um well , the function {vocalsound} of a remote control , as what uh we've been informed , is basically to send messages to the television set , for example , switch it on , switch it off , go to this channel , go to channel nine , turn the volume up , etcetera . Um some of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers , you know , zero to nine , so you can move to a channel , the power button on slash off , the channel going up and down , volume going up and down , and then mute , a mute function . And then functions for V_H_S_ , D_V_D_ , for example , play , rewind , fast-forward , stop , pause , enter . And enter would be for like , you know , the menus . {vocalsound} And then other menus for D_V_ as well as T_V_ , whether that means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen , things like that , all the more complicated functions of menus .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : And we can decide if that's what we want , {gap} , um if we want to include that on the remote , if that's something that would stay on the T_V_ itself , for example .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "User Interface : These are two examples . Um and you can see on the left , it's got a lot more buttons ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and I don't know if you can read it , but it says , step , go to , freeze , um slow , repeat , program , mute , and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example . And then on the right , it's a lot more simpler , it's got volume , it's got the play the like circle set , which is play , rewind , but it's also what is {disfmarker} fast-forward is also like next on a menu . So you have functions that are d uh duplicating .", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : And you have a mute button and then the numbers and the eject , and the power button . So that gives you two different kinds , a more complex and more simple version . Okay .", "Project Manager : Ready .", "User Interface : And then lastly , it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include , and how simple , complex it should be ? And what functions it needs to complete . Uh , what are needed to complete insulation process , 'cause , you know , that's something that also has to be considered and it's gonna be hopefully a one-time thing , when you set it up it should be set to go , but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : So that's it .", "Project Manager : Alright . Very good presentation . Thank you . You speak with such authority on the matter ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 64, 157 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "little screen", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if the remote was going to have a small screen, so the user could tell what channel they were on while scrolling on the proposed touch wheel, but Marketing says this information could appear on the TV. Industrial Designer confirmed that there was already a remote control with a wheel that displays the data on the TV. Project Manager asked what would happen if the user has a satellite with a lot of channels available, to which the Industrial Designer replied that the user would have to spin very fast, but the wheel would probably have to have a certain number of channels. User Interface proposed to set a range of numbers and make two kinds of gestures to turn by swipe or stop by tapping differently. User Interface asked how the TV settings could be changed, and Project Manager said that since there were so many options, maybe the screen should be a better option to pull down a menu. User Interface thinks the screen would get very little use and not be worth it, especially since Industrial Designer commented that it would be much more expensive to have, so User Interface thinks it's a better idea to bring up the menu on the TV by pressing the center button, thus retaining a clean and cheaper design for remote control.", "title": "Touch Wheel Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 7 ], [ 19, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "little screen", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if the remote was going to have the little screen that they discussed earlier because if it's going to have the wheel to change channels instead of having numbers, it's going to need it, especially since it's going to have a touch-based graphical interface system. Marketing said that the screen could appear on the TV. User Interface said that in order for the user to know what channel they were on while scrolling, they require the screen or a number on the TV, otherwise there would be no way of knowing. Industrial Designer confirmed that there was already a remote control with a wheel that displays the data on the TV. Project Manager asked what would happen if the user has a satellite with approximately 200 channels available. Industrial Designer replied that the user would have to turn very fast, but the wheel would probably only go through a hundred channels. User Interface proposed to set a range for the wheel, so maybe you need to do a flick to control the channels, and once you need it to stop you could play differently. User Interface asked how the TV settings could be changed, and Project Manager said that since there were so many options, perhaps the screen should be a better option to pull down a menu. User Interface said that having a screen on the remote was not worth it as it would rarely be used, and Industrial Designer added that it was even more expensive to have because it requires an advanced chip instead of a normal one. User Interface said that a good option would be to press the center button to bring up the menu on the TV and then just scroll to choose all the different options, this way the remote won't have a cluttered layout and the small screen, but still, the user would be able to control everything.", "title": "Touch Wheel Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 7 ], [ 19, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the remote was going to have a tactile graphical interface system, and he wants to know if the proposal to have a small screen so that the user could see the channels were still valid because it would not have buttons with numbers. Marketing proposes that instead of a small screen, all the information was displayed on the television. Project Manager confirmed that the control was not going to have DVD capabilities, but he wanted to know how the touch wheel would work if the user had a lot of channels, to which the Industrial Designer replied that the user would have to turn it very fast, although it would probably only be able to access a certain number of channels, so the User Interface proposes to establish this limit, in addition to defining whether turning the wheel advances and touching it in a different way stops it, or how this would work. User Interface asked how they could access the TV settings, to which the Project Manager replied by saying that the menu could appear on the TV by pressing the button in the center of the wheel, and from there, you could scroll through all the settings available.", "title": "Remote Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 93 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functions", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the remote control was going to have a tactile graphical interface system and asked if it was going to have the screen that was originally proposed because it was necessary for the user to be able to see which channel they were changing to if they use the touch wheel, since the remote was not going to have numbers on it. Marketing said that the screen could be displayed on the TV. Project Manager confirmed that there would be no DVD features and asked how it would work if the user has a satellite with approximately 200 channels available. Industrial Designer said you'll have to turn the wheel fast, but the wheel would probably only go up to a hundred channels, so the User Interface said they should set a range for the wheel and define the gestures that would be used to scroll and stop when selecting the channels. User Interface asks how the TV setup part was going to work. Project Manager suggested that by pressing the button in the center of the touch wheel, the menu appears on the TV and from there, you could scroll around to access all the options such as changing the brightness or adding a timer, etc. in such a way that with the wheel you could control everything.", "title": "Remote Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 93 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "menu", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked how the user could change the settings on their TV and Project Manager proposed that instead of having a small screen on the remote, a menu would be displayed on the TV screen. User Interface raises the possibility that by pressing the central button of the touch wheel, the menu was displayed on the TV and there you could access all the settings, in this way you could control everything and avoid having to put an expensive screen on the control remote.", "title": "Menu Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 93 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "menu", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked how the user could change their TV settings without having so many buttons on the remote, and Project Manager said that displaying the menu options on the TV screen seemed like a better idea as there were so many settings. User Interface said having a screen to show the options on the remote wasn't worth it because they would rarely use it, plus Industrial Designer said it's even more expensive to manufacture. User Interface proposes that by pressing the center button of the touch wheel, the menu was displayed on the TV and then simply scroll to choose all the available configuration options, and in this way, the user could control everything without having a cluttered design or the small screen on the remote.", "title": "Menu Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 93 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : So so okay , let me get this right . Okay , uh {disfmarker} Okay , alright anyway . Um {vocalsound} here we go . Conceptual User Interface . Trying {disfmarker} we're gonna try to talk about , um {vocalsound} what kind of uh {disfmarker} how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control , based on fruit vegetable design .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And , um , basically , so , this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system . {vocalsound} Uh , so people are going to be looking at this little screen . Um , kind of {disfmarker} I mean I assume , are we still on the screen idea ?", "Project Manager : Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time .", "User Interface : 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this {disfmarker} it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um {vocalsound} the wheel", "Project Manager : You need a screen for it ?", "User Interface : you {disfmarker} it seems like you would need a screen .", "Industrial Designer : You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song , like you know that band or whatever . With T_V_ channels it's , you know , one two three . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But like if you think about it {disfmarker} yeah but if {disfmarker} so is it just {disfmarker} okay . So , b you you're gonna have to switch to like D_V_D_ and like other things like that , aren't you ?", "Project Manager : We're , um , we're actually not having D_V_D_ ,", "User Interface : Are we {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : that was one of th I I was {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : sorry ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I I meant to update you on that . Um .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Alright . Okay .", "Marketing : But the screen can come up on the telly , the {disfmarker} she said .", "User Interface : Okay . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : That correct ?", "User Interface : So anyway if {disfmarker} well we just {disfmarker} we need to {disfmarker} Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} I was thinking {disfmarker} okay . So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then ? And you're just gonna {disfmarker} I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a {disfmarker} right .", "Marketing : Graphical interface ?", "User Interface : Yeah like you're g", "Marketing : Uh on the {disfmarker} you can have it on the telly though .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : yeah like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can {disfmarker} okay we're not choosing that , I guess . But like choose channel control , like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like , um , you know , channels one two three four five six seven eight nine .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So that {disfmarker} {gap} {disfmarker} people seems to be {disfmarker} well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You've {disfmarker} Yeah , I know what you're saying , you have to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You know . But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels . So um {vocalsound} I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because {disfmarker} So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if {disfmarker} or or {disfmarker} then again if you just {disfmarker} I guess {disfmarker} I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T_V_ like what channel you're on .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : But but imagine someone with s", "Industrial Designer : My flatmates actually had one with a wheel , and it it did show up on the T_V_ .", "User Interface : I oh yeah ?", "Project Manager : But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels . Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : 'Cause you'll have to like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : They have to r wheel really fast .", "User Interface : but you can quickly s you can {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : at least on theirs .", "User Interface : Yeah if you do , it w so it would have to be {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of , you know , range we need to have on the wheel , and um {disfmarker} So you're either {disfmarker} you're {disfmarker} you know , th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that , you know , you can like tap for , um , different", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : uh , whatchamacallits , different um , you know , functions like volume or , like you can tap just to get to different channels . Like if you just wanted to go to like {disfmarker} from five to six you could tap or someth", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : And then there's also the concern about you know um {vocalsound} how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television , or if you want to um {vocalsound} you know switch around , I don't know , like , these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that ,", "Project Manager : Yeah I mean with that many options , you'd {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} I'd think that the screen would be better ,", "User Interface : like {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : because you could have that menu option , sort of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I would think so too , like {disfmarker} So I mean {disfmarker} and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it , you know , because {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : but then again it would {disfmarker} it does make kind of {disfmarker} if the screen's sort of just like an option that , like , is just there and you're not really using it , that's kind of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's more expensive according to the design people .", "User Interface : m yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , that's the only thing though .", "Industrial Designer : You have to get a {disfmarker} an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in , which is more expensive than the regular chip , which is more expensive than the minimal .", "User Interface : Yeah . So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing , um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You can get to {disfmarker} you know , you can {disfmarker} Like maybe it'll be that central button that , like , then you hit that and then you can {disfmarker} it brings up like the menu on the T_V_", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : and you can just scroll around , like , to do the timer , to do the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So the T_V_ is the screen , that {disfmarker} yeah", "User Interface : yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : So it would have all these different options of changing", "User Interface : Yeah . But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up .", "Project Manager : to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Look it even has settings .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Hmm ?", "Marketing : On the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} you can just take theirs and just {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , well we don't want the screen I guess ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : but um {disfmarker} 'cause that just {disfmarker} it does seem like , it {disfmarker} that would be , like , incredibly expensive , but {disfmarker} I dunno , and then {disfmarker} so , it just im really all you need is , like , this little wheel then , and you can control everything .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 60, "turns": [ 139, 161 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "techno", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that if the management had expectations about if they were technologically innovative, they had to accept that they operated outside the constraints that they gave.", "title": "Project Manager Talking about Techno", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "techno", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that if the management had expectations about them being technologically innovative, they had to accept that they couldn't operate efficiently within the constraints that they gave, then said that they presented that at the company way's forward, and they could argue about the budget, then Project Manager said it ended the presentation.", "title": "Project Manager Talking about Techno", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 19 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Um right let us um What's on the next one ? Oh right yes , let's have a look at the um f finance . Um , now we're given a a clear design brief , uh if I {gap} get the uh spreadsheet up . Oh .", "Marketing : Uh yeah , {vocalsound} just click there .", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "Marketing : Uh the the maximise button .", "Project Manager : Oh right . Ah . Good , this is why we need to make these things simple so that the uh the the the boss can understand .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Now I've um {vocalsound} this is the company's uh uh costing for for various uh uh aspects of design and I I I've treated some of these slightly uh liberally given the constraints placed on us , um I wouldn't know for in for instance if if they require us to have it in the corporate colours , then that is not a special colour , that's a that's a standard colour . Uh , so we're just simply on batteries , the the one th the one decision I've had to make is that um we're {vocalsound} we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and I I um I'm I'm I'm certain that they they are around so , um that I don't think is a a serious problem . The uh the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay . Um then again the the the the shape of the case means that it's it's expensive to uh um l to make 'cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept um we we should exceed the the sales targets . Um it's simply made of plastic so th that's uh that's no problem and uh um just because the whole {gap} the colour of the the whole thing that's uh uh there's some cost there . Um and uh we haven't actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple uh um {vocalsound} slider so um and the and the the buttons are uh uh well I do don't know that they're special colour . Anyway the the costings uh come in at {disfmarker} exactly on target at twelve point five uh but I thi I think we have a a very strong case to argue that uh what what we've got is is so in innovative and uh and different that um {vocalsound} any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the uh you know the uh you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and having the the interchangeable covers", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : so uh um you know the {disfmarker} if if if the management expect us to be techno {gap} again {gap} fail again {disfmarker} technologically innovative um that they they have to accept that we we can't operate absolutely within uh the constraints that they give ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : so uh we we we present this as the uh the company's uh the the company's way forward and uh uh I I think we can argue that we we have uh come in on on budget . Um . Okay , uh . So um . Does anybody want to uh {disfmarker} uh Andrew do you want {disfmarker} what do you want to say about um the uh yeah the evaluation", "Marketing : Evaluation .", "Project Manager : where where you know well where where we're where where we're at ?", "Marketing : The {vocalsound} the product or the project ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The the the well the {disfmarker} I meant the product .", "Marketing : Um , well well my presentation just now ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Sure , uh can I get the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh sorry yeah um , mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Mm . More loud clicks in the microphone ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 19, "turns": [ 299, 673 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation criteria", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing looked at the strategy reports for new needs and the market, and made some criteria to test from one to seven and then give an average for the model. They talked about the colors of the remote, the buttons, and the lights. Marketing asked what number they would assign to the criteria of \u201cbeautiful\u201d. User Interface reminded everyone that they would have interchangeable fronts and Marketing said that with that, everyone could have one that they found beautiful, so the Project Manager rated it one. Project Manager asked if it would be as they wanted. User Interface said it would be much better than current remote controls, so the Project Manager gave it a two. Marketing asked about the fancy look of the flashing lights and button backlights. Marketing said they could change the colors, so it would be very stylish, and asked if it was learnable or easy to use. Project Manager said it would be very easy to use, but the second layer would not be. Industrial Designer said you wouldn't need to use the second layer. User Interface said that it would not be very learnable because some functions would be difficult to learn. Marketing said the user would have to figure out how to use it, although Industrial Designer said they would need little input to decide which buttons were for which function. Marketing said then they could give it a 3, but Project Manager said 2. Marketing asked to rate the new features or technological innovation. They said that the speech function, the scroll wheel, the backlight and the slide were new. Project Manager said that the slide was not new, because an old VCR had a slide just like it. Marketing asked if the lighting was new. Industrial Designer said yes, and the speech was also new. Project Manager said it would have no games, so it would be a two again. The project manager asked if it would be rechargeable and User Interface said no. Marketing said to put a seven. Project Manager asked if they would give a two or a one to the new features. Marketing said it would be nothing extraordinary, so the Project Manager gave it a two. Marketing asked if they reached their target audience with their style. Project Manager said it had the fancy stuff for younger people but the aesthetic stuff for older people, so Industrial Designer came up with two or one, though Marketing said they didn't follow the latest trends. Industrial Designer said they could make a front. Marketing proposed to give it a three and asked what the average was so far. Industrial Designer said one point eight three. Project Manager asked if there was room for creativity. Industrial Designer said it got a high rating for innovation.", "title": "Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 11 ], [ 15, 19 ], [ 21, 27 ], [ 29, 30 ], 34, [ 36, 38 ], 40, [ 44, 51 ], 53, [ 55, 60 ], 62, [ 64, 66 ], [ 69, 74 ], 77, [ 79, 80 ], 82, [ 84, 89 ], 91, 93, [ 95, 96 ], 98, [ 106, 112 ], [ 115, 126 ], [ 129, 130 ], 133, 135, [ 139, 144 ], 146, [ 148, 149 ], [ 159, 162 ], 164, 169, 171, 173, [ 179, 183 ], 187, [ 189, 190 ], 193, 195, 203, 208, [ 225, 228 ], [ 232, 233 ], 236, 241, [ 248, 250 ], [ 252, 254 ], [ 258, 261 ], [ 269, 271 ], 274, 277, [ 282, 284 ], [ 286, 287 ], 290, 297, 301, [ 304, 309 ], 315, 317, 319, [ 324, 325 ], 327, 329, [ 337, 339 ], 347, [ 357, 361 ], 368, 370, 372 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "evaluation criteria", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing had looked at the marketing strategy reports for the new needs and the market, and made some criteria to test one through seven and then give an average for the model. Marketing said that the difference between beautiful and fancy appearance would be that the exterior could be beautiful, and fancy should be more like flashing lights and colors. Industrial Designer said that beauty could be more a matter of taste. They talked about the colors of the remote, the buttons, and the lights. Marketing asked what number they would assign to the criteria of \u201cbeautiful\u201d, because it would be subjective and would have a lot to do with colors. User Interface reminded everyone that they would have interchangeable fronts. Marketing said that with changeable fronts, everyone could have one they find beautiful, so Project Manager said they could rate it one. Project Manager asked if it would be as they wanted. User Interface said it would be much better than current remote controls. Project Manager said then they should give it a two. Marketing asked about the fancy look, so it would be the flashing lights and button backlights. Marketing said they could change the colors, so it would be very stylish. Industrial Designer asked if there would be backlights on the slider or no backlights and Project Manager said just behind the numbers, although User Interface said it wasn't necessary. Marketing said it would be cool and stylish if it opened up and lit up, but perhaps it wouldn't be accessible. User Interface said it would be accessible and could have just a little light to illuminate everything, so there could be an overview and not just the buttons, Project Manager agreed, and they chose a light. Marketing asked if it was learnable or easy to use. Project Manager said it would be very easy to use, but the second layer wouldn't be, although Industrial Designer said you wouldn't need to use the second layer, and that would be a good thing. User Interface said it would be easy to use, but not very learnable because second parts, like speech, would be harder to learn. Marketing said it would not be as quick to learn as a regular remote control because the user would have to figure out how to use it, although Industrial Designer said it would need little information to easily decide which buttons were for which function. Project Manager said it would be easy to use if you had used other devices. Marketing said then they could give it a three, but Project Manager said two. Marketing asked to rate the new features or technological innovation. Marketing said the speech feature was new. User Interface said also scroll wheel, backlight and slide. The Project Manager said that the slide was not new, because there was a VCR from 1988 that had a slide that revealed the buttons. Marketing asked if the lighting was new. Industrial Designer said yes, and that the speech was also new. User Interface and Marketing said it had different colors. Project Manager said it would have no games, so it would be a two again. Marketing said it wasn't LCD. User Interface said they also had the origin station. Project Manager asked if it would be rechargeable. User Interface said no. Project Manager requested to save that feature to the project map. Marketing said to put a seven. Project Manager asked if they would give a two or a one to the new features. Marketing said it would be nothing extraordinary, so Project Manager gave it a two and asked about the target audience. Marketing said that the audience would be a group of young people under the age of forty. Project Manager said it had the fancy stuff for the younger people, but the aesthetic stuff for the older people. Industrial Designer said that the stylish look would appeal to the young audience. So it would be a two or a one, even though Marketing said they didn't follow the latest trends. Industrial Designer said they could make a front. Marketing said it would never be spongy, so they might give it a 3 and asked what the average was so far, Industrial Designer said eleven divided by six so one point eight three. Project Manager said that now they could do the evaluation for everything together, and asked if there was room for creativity. Industrial Designer said it got a high rating for innovation. Project Manager asked what they had to say about leadership. User Interface said that they could use a leader to check the time. Industrial Designer said they would need someone to take notes, so User Interface said it would be more like a secretary.", "title": "Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 11 ], [ 15, 19 ], [ 21, 27 ], [ 29, 30 ], 34, [ 36, 38 ], 40, [ 44, 51 ], 53, [ 55, 60 ], 62, [ 64, 66 ], [ 69, 74 ], 77, [ 79, 80 ], 82, [ 84, 89 ], 91, 93, [ 95, 96 ], 98, [ 106, 112 ], [ 115, 126 ], [ 129, 130 ], 133, 135, [ 139, 144 ], 146, [ 148, 149 ], [ 159, 162 ], 164, 169, 171, 173, [ 179, 183 ], 187, [ 189, 190 ], 193, 195, 203, 208, [ 225, 228 ], [ 232, 233 ], 236, 241, [ 248, 250 ], [ 252, 254 ], [ 258, 261 ], [ 269, 271 ], 274, 277, [ 282, 284 ], [ 286, 287 ], 290, 297, 301, [ 304, 309 ], 315, 317, 319, [ 324, 325 ], 327, 329, [ 337, 339 ], 347, [ 357, 361 ], 368, 370, 372 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "criteria , ease of use , learnable , conclusion", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Discussing the criteria, Marketing asked if the device would be learnable or easy to use. Project Manager said it would be very easy to use, but the second layer would not be, even though Industrial Designer said it wouldn't need to be used. User Interface said it would be easy to use, but not very learnable. Marketing said it wouldn't be as quick to learn as a regular remote because it had new things like speech, scroll wheel and slide, so they would have to figure out how to use it. Industrial Designer said that little information would be needed to easily decide which buttons would be for which function. User Interface said that second parts, such as speech, would be more difficult to learn. Project Manager said that it could be learned, because the scroll wheel would be easy to use if ever used a different device. User Interface wanted to rate it a three or a two.", "title": "Usability", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 158 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "criteria , ease of use , learnable , conclusion", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "When criteria was discussed, Marketing asked if it would be learnable or easy to use. Project Manager said it would be easy to use if ever used a different device, but the second layer wouldn't be, even though Industrial Designer said it wouldn't need to be used. User Interface added it would not be very learnable. Marketing said it wouldn't be as learnable as a regular remote because it had new stuff, and they would have to figure out how to use it. Industrial Designer said that they would need little information to understand how to use the functions. User Interface said that second parts, such as speech, would be difficult to learn.", "title": "Usability", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 158 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recommend , evaluation criteria , market trend", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if they reached the target audience with the style. Project Manager confirmed. Marketing said they didn't follow the latest trends, although User Interface disagreed. Marketing recommended using the latest trends that were on the computer. User Interface saw that they were fruits and vegetables. Project Manager said that they had different colors and User Interface reminded them that they could change sides. Marketing said that way they could have a fruit. Industrial Designer proposed to make a front with a banana design. Marketing said it still couldn't be fluffy, so they should rate it a three.", "title": "Trend Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 232, 265 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recommend , evaluation criteria , market trend", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing, did, reach, with, style, the targeted audience? Industrial Designer, got a one for fancy look-and-feel, and that, attracts the young audience. Marketing, so, targeted it? But, didn't follow the latest trends. These, the only latest, trends, on, computer. User Interface, well, fruit and vegetables; different front. Industrial Designer, like a, banana kind of front.", "title": "Trend Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 232, 265 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "colours", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that \"fancy\" was more about the flashing lights and colours, and asked about the colours of the remote. Although it would be black with a yellow light, Marketing said they could change the colours of the flashing lights or the button backlights, so it would be very fancy.", "title": "Remote Colours", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 54 ], [ 60, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "", "speaker": "Marketing ; topic : colours" }, "summary": "Marketing, what kind, of basic colours, thought, of; the fancy look-and-feel, about, flashing lights and the background, lights, from the buttons, change the colours.", "title": "Remote Colours", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 54 ], [ 60, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lights", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said the fancy look-and-feel would be flashing lights and button backlights that could change color. Industrial Designer asked if there would be a backlight on the sliding panel. Marketing said it would be very stylish if it lit up when you opened it, but didn't know if it was accessible. Marketing agreed to the idea of putting a light to illuminate everything.", "title": "Remote Control Lights", "relevant_turns": [ 11, [ 60, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "lights", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said the elegance depended on the lights, and it would be elegant if it lit up when opened. Industrial Designer asked about a backlight on the sliding panel.", "title": "Remote Control Lights", "relevant_turns": [ 11, [ 60, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "beautiful", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the \"beautiful\" criteria was about the exterior and the \"fancy\" criteria was about the flashing lights and colors. Industrial Designer said that beauty was a matter of taste. Marketing asked to rate how beautiful the remote was. Marketing said that by having interchangeable fronts, there would be something beautiful for everyone.", "title": "Beautiful as Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "beautiful", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the difference between beautiful and fancy look-and-feel would be that the outside could be beautiful, like an iPod or something, Marketing also explained that fancy was more like the flashing lights and the colours. Industrial Designer said that beautiful was also a matter of taste. Marketing asked the team to rate the beautiful criteria, and added that \"beautiful\" was really subjective and that it had to do lots with the colours. User Interface reminded them that they would have changeable fronts. Marketing said that having this changeable fronts, there would be something beautiful for everyone.", "title": "Beautiful as Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "slide panel", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that there would be backlighting on the slide panel only behind the numbers. User Interface said the slide panel thing was new. Project Manager said there was a 1988 VCR that had a slide remote that covered the numbers on a slide.", "title": "Slide Panel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 66, 84 ], [ 159, 172 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "slide panel", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Backlights on the slide panel? Project Manager, no, only, behind the number. User Interface, slide that buttons come out. Project Manager, not new.", "title": "Slide Panel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 66, 84 ], [ 159, 172 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll wheel", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said the scroll wheel was very useful, but the first time you wouldn't know what it controled. Industrial Designer said that they would only need little information to be able to use it. Marketing asked if the remote had any innovative technology, and they concluded that the scroll wheel was new.", "title": "Scroll Wheel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 120, 145 ], [ 159, 163 ], [ 180, 181 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll wheel", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing, the scroll wheel, very handy, but the first time, you must seek for it. User Interface, very clear what it, does. Marketing, new things, the scroll wheel.", "title": "Scroll Wheel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 120, 145 ], [ 159, 163 ], [ 180, 181 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "changeable fronts", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "For the color review of the remote, they had interchangeable fronts, so Marketing said that way everyone could have a beautiful one. For the innovation evaluation, Marketing said that the fronts were something new and asked if they reached the target audience, because they did not follow trends of fruits and vegetables.", "title": "Changeable Fronts", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 51 ], 159, [ 182, 185 ], [ 235, 258 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "changeable fronts", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that with the interchangeable fronts, everyone would have something beautiful and new, although they did not follow trends.", "title": "Changeable Fronts", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 51 ], 159, [ 182, 185 ], [ 235, 258 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Evaluation crit Yeah , evaluation presentation . It's not in . Uh d it doesn't matter um {disfmarker} It only had two pages or something . {vocalsound} Um well I looked in the reports um from the marketing strategy , or uh of uh the the the the the the new needs and uh the market . The Italians uh , how they think about it . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The research uh about uh the the comp uh the the the users and that kind of stuff . I made some criteria , and we have to test the criteria from one to zero . We sh we we we can give it uh a number , and then we can give ourself an average for our", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : um {vocalsound} model .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And this {disfmarker} These are all I I I found , or I wrote down . And um {vocalsound} we have to discuss about {vocalsound} , if we give it a one or a seven .", "Project Manager : Uh I think uh if you have a kind of iPod idea . It quite beautiful .", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : We are actu We are the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah , the the the difference be between uh beautiful and fancy uh look-and-feel is uh the the the outside uh beautiful uh like the iPod or something . And fancy's more like the mm uh f the flashing lights and the colours and {vocalsound} and that kind of stuff .", "Project Manager : Flashy .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay . Well I think we do {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The LEDs .", "User Interface : If it's really uh , if you can if you can get the iPod look , then it's beautiful , I think .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : But uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And and what ki what kind of what kind of basic colours uh were you thought uh of ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah beautiful's is also a matter of taste .", "User Interface : Hmm ?", "Marketing : The basic colours are black or green or yellow ?", "User Interface : Um basic colours ,", "Marketing : Or you haven't thought about {disfmarker}", "User Interface : um yeah . Well you didn't say .", "Marketing : Ho how do we make uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Maybe um company colours ?", "Project Manager : It's black .", "User Interface : Black .", "Marketing : Black and yellow .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yellow light .", "User Interface : A bit a bit of yellow .", "Marketing : Can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Do we have yellow light ? No , not really , but it's possible .", "User Interface : Not not not yellow {gap} , but just a bit of light yellow .", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Black white , maybe ?", "User Interface : Like white , also ni or uh always nice .", "Industrial Designer : And what colours should the buttons be ?", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker} Because um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , different colours . This is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Just um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh , the same as th th the cover . But also th the light behind it .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : But can you change those too , with uh the switch ?", "Project Manager : No , no . Make them {disfmarker} No , just make them black or grey or something .", "User Interface : Yeah , grey . Just dark grey I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , so what uh number do we give uh a beautiful ? Beautiful is uh really subjective , uh because it has to do lots with the colours .", "User Interface : Well we have changeable fronts , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Changeable fronts , so ev for everyone for everyone it's something beautiful .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , just give it a one . It's okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's perfect . I think it's just what you want . Or not ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's hard to decide for us , but yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . It's ju so subjective .", "User Interface : It it's {disfmarker} At least it's a lot better than uh current remote controls .", "Project Manager : Okay , just give it a two . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . A two . Okay . The fancy look-and-feel . That's about our uh flashing lights and the background uh lights uh from from from the buttons .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . And we can change the colours , so that's uh really fancy I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : One more thing .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Are w are we changing uh {disfmarker} Or are they there uh backlights on the slide panel too ? Or n no back light ?", "Marketing : Slide panel ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ?", "Project Manager : No . No , it's only on the number , behind the numbers", "User Interface : Mm . Not needed {gap} .", "Project Manager : and uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , not needed I think .", "Industrial Designer : And and the switch channel is uh {disfmarker} There is a back light too ?", "Project Manager : That as well , yeah .", "Marketing : Oh , you mean th this here ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but that's unnecessary .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : What do I think is necessary necessary item ?", "Marketing : It's pretty cool . If you slide it open , {vocalsound} it lights up . That's that's really fancy , but {vocalsound} I don't know if it's reachable .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Of course it's reachable .", "Project Manager : It doesn't make {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Then we do it . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay , maybe just some light uh to to light it all up .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So you can see what's really there . Not just not re on the buttons or something .", "Project Manager : No . Yeah .", "User Interface : Just a green light or some blue light . To light it all up .", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : But {disfmarker} Yeah . Mayb Okay .", "Marketing : but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , just backlight . Not not the buttons .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And th and the the normal backlights also not the buttons , but behind the buttons . So the buttons are just grey .", "User Interface : Well yeah . Uh semi-transparent .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , just only {disfmarker} Yeah , that's right .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , fine . So I I think it's very fancy .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker} Yeah , that's how I think .", "User Interface : Yeah , w we've done a a lot of detail in light , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So I'll give it a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Ye", "Marketing : Yeah , and you can uh also choose your light , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , this {disfmarker} It is a one .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's okay . It's cool .", "Marketing : I think it's one . Okay , next .", "Project Manager : This is a difficult one , because we we don't {disfmarker} Yeah , we don't know it about the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Learnable ? Easy to use ? Yeah , we shall test it {vocalsound} But uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh {vocalsound} it's it's very easy to use , but uh the second layer is not easy to use .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker} That's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No , but you don't have to use that .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And you on don't have to pay attention to that second layer .", "Project Manager : No .", "Industrial Designer : That's th that's the main thing that's so good about it .", "User Interface : So I think it's easy to use , but {disfmarker} And learnable is a bit {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Learnable ? It's not not as fast as a usual uh uh remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Well , I think it is .", "Marketing : Because because I think I think the scroll wheel , uh it's very handy , but the first time you get this thing in your hands , it's not to use the scroll wheel .", "User Interface : Well y just uh f", "Marketing : I think uh you must uh seek for it , and up or down or", "Project Manager : But the rest of it is very easy ,", "Marketing : {disfmarker} Uh then the re", "Project Manager : because there are so so n", "User Interface : Yeah , I think it's very clear what it all does .", "Industrial Designer : So so few information that you can easily decide what buttons w for what function .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : But the second parts , uh like speech , etcetera , that will be harder to learn .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : So it is learnable um f i i In the first place it's very easy to use .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} Yeah it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And I think its scrollwheel is u easy to use as well , if you have ever used uh a different kind of uh of uh device .", "Marketing : Yeah . But we we've got the two so two uh two or three uh new things , huh ?", "User Interface : Device .", "Marketing : And maybe we uh maybe learnable is in uh compare of old fashion uh remote controls . So we h we have speech , uh the scroll wheel , and um the the the slide . You must slide it . And that's not normal at the uh normal remote controls .", "Project Manager : But {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : 'Cause I think learnable is a l a less than um {vocalsound} easy to use .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Because easy to use comes after learnable .", "Project Manager : Okay , just {disfmarker} Easy to use is very cool ,", "Marketing : I I think it a three or something .", "Project Manager : so just give it a two .", "User Interface : Maybe three then . Learnable's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No , but definitely better , much better than uh than uh than avera average , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm uh . The normal .", "User Interface : Yeah okay . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And the one you showed is just all buttons and you don't know {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yep , true . Then a two .", "Marketing : Oh . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : New features . Techno technological innovative ?", "Industrial Designer : The speech function and the colour . Colour .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} The speech function is new .", "User Interface : And the scrollwheel , backlights , slide .", "Marketing : The scrollwheel and the slide . Uh I think the slide is pretty new .", "Project Manager : Slide is not n is is not new . No . I already have a {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh I only saw it in a telephone , not in an remote control .", "Project Manager : Uh I already have a V_C_R_ and it's about from nineteen eighty eight . And they all have a slide in it .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : So that's not new .", "User Interface : But also slide that buttons come out , as well ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , and the the the lightning ?", "Project Manager : That's cool .", "Marketing : Is that new ?", "Project Manager : Yeah for a {disfmarker} Uh for a f", "Marketing : The lighting's new .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Mm it's pretty new , I think .", "Marketing : Scrollwheel . Speech ?", "Industrial Designer : Speech is new .", "User Interface : Different colours , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , different fronts for a remote control , I think that's new too .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So we have a pretty new uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : There are no games on it , that's that's {disfmarker} It's not a one , it's a two again .", "User Interface : That would {disfmarker} And we didn't uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It's it's it's not not L_C_D_ or something .", "User Interface : But then we also have the the home station .", "Project Manager : If you have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We are forgetting about that now , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Oh yeah , that's right . Rechargeable .", "Marketing : Uh-oh .", "User Interface : We don't", "Marketing : Home-station .", "User Interface : recharge .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we didn't draw that too , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But that's more like uh now .", "Project Manager : Yeah , just draw it afterwards . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's just a normal th s simple thing .", "User Interface : I don't know .", "Project Manager : If you {disfmarker} Can you save it on the same , in the same map as the other ones ? In the the project uh map ?", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker} Just save , save as ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Mm-hmm . Uh save as ? No , that's not in the project .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well it's a already in the folder . L like number seven .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah , okay . Smart board .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but this one .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : This one is not yet in the {disfmarker} Oh oh .", "Industrial Designer : I think it is .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , it is .", "Industrial Designer : No , I think it is .", "User Interface : Uh untitled ?", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : Yeah , it doesn't matter . Save .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : But you still have to draw the resi the recharger .", "Marketing : Uh all {vocalsound} the the seven , uh all the seven .", "Project Manager : Okay . And new features , so we give it a two or also again a one ? No , I think i if you have games on it , then then you give you have a one . But not {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No , we are not extraordinary new or something .", "Project Manager : No , just so it's still a two .", "User Interface : N", "Industrial Designer : Mm two , I think .", "Marketing : Tha tha that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Targeted audience . Uh we are the targeted audience ? Do we like it ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No , we we we searched for uh um {vocalsound} a young group , audience , beneath f forty .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but l younger than forty . So we we are exactly the targeted group .", "Marketing : Yes . Yeah , but did we reach , um {vocalsound} with our uh style , the targeted audience ?", "Project Manager : I think so , yeah .", "Marketing : Th that's my question .", "Project Manager : You get the fancy things for younger people . And you get the the aesthetic things for older people .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So you want {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : We've got a one for fancy look-and-feel , and that's what attracts the young audience . So", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : think that's a two or a one .", "Marketing : Um the only point is that we don't uh have uh uh {disfmarker} {gap} That's {gap} that's {gap} {vocalsound} That's this question .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but s it {disfmarker} That's basically not not handy . And {vocalsound} I don't thi I don't see {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , this .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : So we targeted it ? But we didn't follow the latest trends .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} No . Yeah , you could make a a front", "User Interface : Mm . I think we followed the latest trends .", "Industrial Designer : a front that's that's like uh like a banana , {vocalsound} or something .", "Marketing : Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh {vocalsound} get on my computer .", "User Interface : Oh right . Well uh fruit and vegetables , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , you get different colours .", "User Interface : You can different front uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh yeah , th So we had we uh have uh a fruit uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Like a a f banana kind of front .", "Marketing : Oh yeah . But spongy will never be . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : So we give ourself a three or something .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : So that's eleven .", "Marketing : That's uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : What's the average ?", "Industrial Designer : Eleven divided by six .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it is one point eight three .", "Marketing : A perfect score . {vocalsound} No , I don't know .", "Industrial Designer : We're not too hard on ourselves . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : This is a a power indicator . So you can see how far it's charged up .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Okay .", "Marketing : And and you need n uh a button to call it , to let it beep .", "User Interface : To call .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah , that's still {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Call {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but uh we have to make a speaker then too . If you want to make it beep .", "Project Manager : Yeah , maybe we have to skip that one .", "User Interface : Okay . No no , I want that in .", "Marketing : That's {disfmarker} Yeah , but it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} But we can we can do it uh underneath the logo .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No , we need that . That's usable . That's really usable .", "Industrial Designer : If you do uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , th the speaker is very small as well , right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : It's {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So I just got a financial um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yes uh .", "Project Manager : {gap} You s {vocalsound} saved it or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . I did save it .", "Project Manager : No . Okay , let's have a look at this one here , the production cost of it . If I forgot anything , just say it to me . It just is a battery . Yeah , there are some that they didn't mention , because recharge is not on the list . But okay . So I think we are pretty much in the right direction , because it's twelve point three Euros . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm {vocalsound} okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} That's fine .", "Industrial Designer : But uh is uh uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : So that's both .", "Marketing : Come on , it's perfect . Uh twelve point three point three .", "Project Manager : Yeah , and single curved curved .", "Industrial Designer : But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No , that's not on the list . But that shouldn't be {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Can we make that for uh h twenty cents ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , we can uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Probably . I just {disfmarker} The b the button supplements , I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was {disfmarker} I'm not sure .", "User Interface : Um {vocalsound} different fronts , but standard front won't be , yeah .", "Project Manager : See it's {disfmarker} I think it's okay like this .", "Marketing : Special form , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's hard to say . But maybe we have to um {disfmarker} Yeah , {gap} okay . Special colour , you can skip this one , because it's all quite normal .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We get different ones , that's all . So you can put a recharger in it as well .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} But this is expensive , the sample speaker .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : This ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it's four .", "Marketing : Four . It's four Euros .", "User Interface : Oh , them . Is that uh included ? In the twelve Euro or", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's included .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So we are {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay , then we then we need to use it .", "Industrial Designer : It's kind of weird that we {vocalsound} we get this information now , afterwards . Because {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , no .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , so this is uh pretty much it this {gap} .", "User Interface : Damn , solar cells are uh expensive .", "Project Manager : So {gap} I just want you {disfmarker} Yeah , we just made it . So we can do the project evalu evaluation now for uh for everything together .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay . We can do some discussion about this . Was there room for creativity ?", "Industrial Designer : Sure .", "Marketing : Yes .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Paul , was there room for crea creativity ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Beautiful .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm uh i Yeah , I think so . I think uh everyone uh {gap} already . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah m If we got a high mark for um uh innovativeness or innovativity", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Or a different style .", "Industrial Designer : then there {vocalsound} we probably have been creative .", "User Interface : I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . We could make a lot of different uh remote controls .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So it's creativity .", "Industrial Designer : Huh .", "Project Manager : Okay , so the leadership {disfmarker} Was there a leadership and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Of course there was .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : What do you have to say about that ?", "Industrial Designer : No , I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Who was the leader ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I dunno .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} Just normal discussion , I think . Not", "User Interface : Yeah . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : one leader or something .", "User Interface : One leader to check the time , etcetera .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . And make notes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , I know .", "User Interface : So more like a secretary .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , next one .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 42, "turns": [ 148, 315 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "components", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that they either needed to modify the process from scratch if needed, but the components would be the same because they have an impact on cost and complexity.", "title": "Impact of Components on User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "components", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are; the components are exactly the same; The rest of the components do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity; time to market was a problem and how many components are physically in there in cost; the lower components, the power, the logic, the transmitter, and the infrared, they affect you in terms of the size of your device; just go through it in the components.", "title": "Impact of Components on User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "power", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that power options also affected the size of the device adding that the use of rubber was a restriction on the power source to use.", "title": "Power Factors Affecting Device Size", "relevant_turns": [ [ 59, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "power", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that power options affected the device size with the first one being the standard battery and the other being a gimmick of a wind-up crank but said that was more of a look and feel a decision because one could not have one power source if there were using the alternative power sources. There was also use of solar power cell but was not very recommended for Europe countries so a battery power was more preferred.", "title": "Power Factors Affecting Device Size", "relevant_turns": [ [ 59, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked if they could have plastic and rubber for the case. Industrial Designer said the different types of materials could not be used in a combination.", "title": "Using Rubber for the Case", "relevant_turns": [ [ 37, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked if they could have plastic and rubber for casing and Industrial Designer answered that maybe plastic and rubber would be fine but wasn't sure about titanium. They had restrictions on using rubber and titanium since rubber had restrictions on the kind of power source to use and titanium had an effect on the shape of the product so it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one.", "title": "Using Rubber for the Case", "relevant_turns": [ [ 37, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said they needed to include a strong and really good battery to power the lights. Industrial Designer suggested they use some kind of kinetic option.", "title": "Battery Capacity to Power Light", "relevant_turns": [ [ 124, 156 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said they needed to include a really good and strong battery so that people won't have to charge their remotes control every few days since the battery power would be needed to illuminate the buttons which glow when touched so as to be able to find them in the dark. Since the remote was going to be a high-tech thing it needed something high-tech about it. Industrial Designer suggested they try the kinetic thing option where the remote control would be sensitive enough when fiddled or shaken to trigger it to light so that the glowing would be triggered whenever the remote shall be picked up or use bouncing ball thing trigger to power the light.", "title": "Battery Capacity to Power Light", "relevant_turns": [ [ 124, 156 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "logic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that how complex or easy logic was depended on how many functions one had on the unit.", "title": "Impact of Logic Chips", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 61 ], [ 105, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "logic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the logic chip had no issue with size since they were about the same size and added that how complex or easy the logic was depended on many functions on the unit which impacts the cost and LCD panel and the scroll wheel needed more complicated logic.", "title": "Impact of Logic Chips", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 61 ], [ 105, 110 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : and uh now with David .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think I'm cool .", "Marketing : It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle {gap} {vocalsound} of the table ,", "Project Manager : I know it'd be handy , wouldn't it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : huh ? Just um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oops .", "Project Manager : Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah okay . Let me just get this going first .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Ah there it is . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It takes a second , doesn't it ?", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay , that should be it . Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are . Um the components are exactly the same .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um I think , like what you guys said , um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface . The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity . Um like you said time to market was a problem , um and how many components are physically in there in cost . And the power is basically a factor of that . Um and the lower components , the power , the logic , the transmitter , and the infrared , um they affect you in terms of the size of your device , um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said {disfmarker} we've defined , like we only want the basic things that {disfmarker} to be visible , and the rest of them we try to hide . So um you know it's just a matter of working out space .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So I guess three things , um cost , um complexity , and the size . These are the three things that um will have an impact on you . So just go through it in the components . Um these are the options that are available to you , um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are .", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : Um it said it could talk to you , but it never said anything about being able to listen . I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : So maybe if you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : well I could see the other email that they sent you , um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements {vocalsound} , or different offerings of what components availa Okay so your basic components are buttons ,", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : okay and you have a wheel available , like a mouse scroll wheel ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : okay there's an L_C_D_ display ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} um I think these are quite standard things .", "Marketing : They're standard , aren't they ?", "Industrial Designer : No um they're {disfmarker} well in the sense that these are all the options available for you . I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks . It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , um but um", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination .", "Project Manager : We {disfmarker} you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ?", "Industrial Designer : Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't {disfmarker} I'm not very sure about the titanium .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use ,", "Project Manager : Mm 'kay .", "Industrial Designer : but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : so I think that there is some restriction on um {disfmarker} I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together , wood and titanium ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : You know as opposed to two .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um and the other components are logic chips , um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips . The com how complex or how easy the logic is , it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit um and that impacts cost . Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Power consumption should be about the same . Um I think the main impact is complexity ,", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : um and the other thing is um the power options . Um the first one is a standard battery . Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up {vocalsound} you know , a crank {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I'll clear one of these things for you . Just by moving it yeah .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but that that might be something {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources . I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No .", "Industrial Designer : Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : which may not be a great idea in Europe or {vocalsound} any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their {disfmarker} and it's a nice sales gimmick I think .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : it's a shake it {vocalsound} it doesn't work , shake it , knock it or something . You know", "Project Manager : W yeah .", "Industrial Designer : you know", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : you have {disfmarker} you had those balls , you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes ,", "Project Manager : Uh yeah yeah , I see .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : You know just to {disfmarker} if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : kind of {vocalsound} you know just uh you know um {disfmarker} so . Um okay", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I know what you mean yeah .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : my {disfmarker} from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : I guess that's more in the sense of {disfmarker} small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't , you know like a phone or something , too small phone .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit . Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it {disfmarker} um so .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic . {vocalsound} Um the case {disfmarker} okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and", "Marketing : It can't be curved .", "Industrial Designer : it can't be curved on the wood .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So that's again , I don't think you can use them in a combination , um especially the titanium", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : So um {vocalsound} mixing them may not be a good idea um yep . That's it .", "Project Manager : Okay . Right can I {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh question on {disfmarker} can I ask a question ?", "Project Manager : Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so {disfmarker} but yeah you c ask away .", "Marketing : Okay . Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ?", "Industrial Designer : Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : so that {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery .", "Project Manager : Why what kind of light do you want {disfmarker} are you thinking of ?", "Marketing : Well {disfmarker} I mean I'm thinking it might be {disfmarker} That {disfmarker} for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it", "Project Manager : Uh-huh . Yeah .", "Marketing : and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ?", "Industrial Designer : Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive .", "Marketing : Illuminate the buttons . Yeah it glows . Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : and that's what everybody does . Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah yeah .", "Marketing : and uh y you just touch it , or you just pick it up , and it lights up or something .", "Project Manager : Like a phone yeah , like the backlight in a phone .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Like a phone , yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay cool .", "Marketing : Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days .", "Industrial Designer : Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ?", "Industrial Designer : um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it .", "Marketing : Right .", "Industrial Designer : So you could trigger that to a light ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Sure .", "Industrial Designer : like I said the bouncing ball thing , or you could trigger that to use that to power the light", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : as opposed to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : so when they pick it up , right , and then that that sorta triggers the", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Right", "Industrial Designer : glowingness .", "Project Manager : okay um well {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay , great ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 137, 213 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "User Interface 's presentation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if anyone did anything about the locking function, it should be simple to do, even if it was physical, like a switch or a cover, like they said earlier on a flip thing, but being physical, so it needs to be looked into.", "title": "Project Manager Answer About The User Interface Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 30 ], [ 35, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Presentation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface; need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this; Project Manager; question for you; research you've been doing; at other; existing units; stuff; has looked into the locking function; seemed like a novel idea; simple to do; probably should be; even if it's a physical; switch or a physical cover for the remote; a flip thing.", "title": "Project Manager Answer About the User Interface Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 30 ], [ 35, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "locking function , User Interface 's presentation , layout , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if anyone did anything about the locking function, and said that it was necessary and should be simple to do, even if it was physical, like a switch or a cover, like they said earlier on a flip thing, but being physical, so it needs to be looked into. User Interface said that it never saw that function.", "title": "Project Manager Answer About the User Interface Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 30 ], [ 35, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "locking function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if the locking function was necessary. Project Manager said that it was, if simple. Even if was physical, like a switch.", "title": "Project Manager Answer About The User Interface Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 30 ], [ 35, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface said their motto was that they put fashion in electronics, Project Manager agreed and said that it needed to look new, and something fashionable, and User Interface said they could do it.", "title": "User Interface and Project Manager Talking About Fashion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface said their motto was that they put fashion in electronics, Project Manager agreed and said that it needed to look new, and something fashionable if telephones could, then remotes could be too, and User Interface thought that they could do it and then they talked about layout.", "title": "User Interface and Project Manager Talking About Fashion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 55 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Right , well done , Catherine . Um Gab Gabriel let's uh let's hear from you on on on such things .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Do you need the border ?", "User Interface : Uh I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint uh .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . {vocalsound} Sorry .", "User Interface : Technical {gap} . Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay , so , while this is warming up ,", "Marketing : Adjusting .", "User Interface : there it is uh .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : So I'm doing the user interface design .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah , and basically uh , as far as methods , I was I was looking looking at looking at uh already existing remotes , trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there . Thinking of what we can retain , what we can do away with , uh what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design um . {gap} we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change , I guess , I mean people want a remote that's familiar , that has their favourite functionalities um and and does the basics , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm yeah .", "User Interface : Um so we can improve what's out there and maintain that , the basic functionality that people want . Um so things that {vocalsound} seem like absolute must-haves uh would be a volume control , um so up-down keys for that , uh channel keys up-down , but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want , rather than doing up-down , and uh a mute button . Uh one thing that I didn't include here , that I forgot that we talked about last time , was doing um some sort of lock uh function .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Uh , I don't I dunno , uh that's one possibility . And so in the research that I was doing there's basically two types of remotes , ones that are engineering centred and ones that are more user centred , which I don't know if I can access the web page from here , but I can show you {disfmarker} uh . Yeah . So this is a engineer centred one , so you see it's rather busy , but it also lets you play your movie , stop your movie , fast-forward , all this , um {vocalsound} freeze frame .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Uh and this is a user centred one . Uh it's it's easier to g just glance at this and see {vocalsound} what's possible to do ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : you're not gonna be staring at it for five minutes .", "Project Manager : Great .", "User Interface : And I {disfmarker} judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting I kind of gathered that that's what we were going after , uh or the direction we were going in at least . Um . So , the engineering centred ones uh provide a lot of functionality , but it can be a little bit overwhelming , so the user centred ones just focus on ease of use . Uh and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person uh , Reissa ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : because uh we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap} . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So uh , yeah , that's me .", "Project Manager : Great . Okay . Now that's I just have a q a q question for you . This w um research that you've been doing looki looking at other , you know , existing units {gap} stuff . Um have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as I know . I mean obviously another {disfmarker} {gap} exists {gap} like you like you said in in mobile phones .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : That was sort of the inspiration for it . Um I've never seen that with {disfmarker} in in all my years in in the remote business .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I've , haven't I've never seen a locking functionality . I dunno , what uh do you guys have a a yea or nay on that {gap} a feeling about whether that's really necessary ?", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} I would say it's {disfmarker} If it's simple to do , which I think it probably should be ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : even if it's a physical , you know , a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote , even something like that , um then yes ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . 'Kay .", "Project Manager : it's {gap} like , you know , like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing , something like that ,", "User Interface : Right .", "Project Manager : but you know being physical . Look into . Um I've had word down from head office that something that we should be centred {vocalsound} well , something we should take into account is um we've gotta keep the corporate image within this remote control unit . It's gotta d look like it's in the R_ and R_ .", "User Interface : Mm {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : You know , the the company it's it's , from what I can see from our other products , are yellow with blue writing on them . Um .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mm .", "User Interface : Right . And our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics .", "Project Manager : We put the fashion in electronics . There you go .", "User Interface : I think I think we have to carry that mental .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : So it's kinda gotta look it's gotta look new and s you know something fashionable . If if remote control {disfmarker} well , if telephones can be fashionable , then maybe remote control units can be .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Well yeah these , I think , we can {disfmarker} so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what I didn't mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Because we need {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I t I think we can make big improvements over these two that you see here , I mean .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Great .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh , everything is going t ergonomic , you know , there's you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of uh uh in the market , I guess . Um .", "Project Manager : Okay , fantastic .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Right , well done , Gabriel .", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Um Reissa . Let's plug you in , baby .", "Marketing : Where does it go into ?", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Marketing : Here ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : The blue thing .", "User Interface : Uh , yeah , this is getting all {gap} .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah , then you just have to do function F_ eight and it should come up .", "Marketing : Well , function F_ eight . No {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , w it it just takes a wee while .", "User Interface : Yeah , it just takes a second uh ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 61, "turns": [ 39, 127 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wizard , recruiting participants", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad D said that on Friday they had their wizard test data test, and they got the results, the first subject was not the one that asked to be the subject, the first subject was kind, and they showed what they saw and read as part of the introduction, it was difficult. Later Professor B said that they should hire Fey, as well as pay for the time that they got in.", "title": "Wizard and Possible Participants Discussed by Grad D and Professor B", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 56 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wizard , recruiting participants", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad D said that the wizard test data test was finished on Friday, and turns out that the first subject was not the one that asked to be the subject, because they knew too much, the actual first subject was kind, and served their role, then they showed what they saw and read as part of the introduction, it was difficult. Then Grad D said that the names were the first of the three tasks they did, then the system broke down, it was supposed to break. Later Professor B said that they should hire Fey, as well as pay for the time that they got in.", "title": "Wizard and Possible Participants Discussed by Grad D and Professor B", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 56 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "acting , computer , wizard", "speaker": "Grad D , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C asked if there was no system, like, there was a wizard for both parts, Grad D said it was both times the same person, one pretended it was the system, and the other pretended to be a human, which was actually not pretending, Grad C asked that if it wasn't kind of obvious.", "title": "Test Roles Explained by Grad C and Grad D", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "acting , computer , wizard", "speaker": "Grad D , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C asked if there was a system, like, if there was a wizard for both parts, Grad D said it was both times the same person, one pretended it was a system, and the other pretended to be a human, actually not pretending.", "title": "Test Roles Explained by Grad C and Grad D", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fey", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B agreed and said that they should have hired and paid Fey, for the time spent.", "title": "Professor B Opinion's about Fey", "relevant_turns": [ [ 56, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fey", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; Ok, great; first of all; I agree that; we should hire Fey; start paying; the time; put in as well; do you know exactly how to do that; what; do we do; to put her on the payroll in some way; why don't you uh ask Lila; and see; about yo know; sounded fine; more; present; better job", "title": "Professor B Opinion's about Fey", "relevant_turns": [ [ 56, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wizard test data test", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D started the meeting, then said that friday they had their wizard test data test, then showed some of the results, that was the introduction.", "title": "Grad D Interpreting the Wizard Test Data Test", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wizard test data test", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D; Let 's get started; go first; with; data; Can I have the remote; On Friday we had our wizard test data test; these are some of the results; This was the introduction; Liz; kind enough; the first subject; The names; first three tasks; called the system; broke down; was going to solve; human; will skip the reading now; was five minutes.", "title": "Grad D Interpreting the Wizard Test Data Test", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad D : Let 's get started . The uh {disfmarker} Should I go first , with the uh , um , data . Can I have the remote {vocalsound} control . Thank you . OK . So . On Friday we had our wizard test data test and um {vocalsound} these are some of the results . This was the introduction . I actually uh , even though Liz was uh kind enough to offer to be the first subject , I sort of felt that she knew too much , so I asked uh Litonya . just on the spur of the moment , and she was uh kind enough to uh serve as the first subject .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : So , this is what she saw as part of {disfmarker} as uh for instr introduction , this is what she had to read {pause} aloud . Uh , that was really difficult for her and uh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Because of l all the names , you mean ?", "Grad D : The names and um this was the uh first three tasks she had to {disfmarker} to master after she called the system , and um then of course the system broke down , and those were the l uh uh I should say the system was supposed to break down and then um these were the remaining three tasks that she was going to solve , with a human {disfmarker} Um . There are {disfmarker} here are uh the results . Mmm . And I will not {disfmarker} We will skip the reading now . D Um . And um . The reading was five minutes , exactly . And now comes the {disfmarker} This is the phone - in phase of {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Wait , can I {disfmarker} I have a question . So . So there 's no system , right ? Like , there was a wizard for both uh {disfmarker} both parts , is this right ?", "Grad D : Yeah . It was bo it both times the same person .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : One time , pretending to be a system , one time , to {disfmarker} pretending to be a human , which is actually not pretending .", "Grad C : OK . And she didn't {disfmarker}", "Grad D : I should {disfmarker}", "Grad C : I mean . Well . Isn't this kind of obvious when it says \" OK now you 're talking to a human \" and then the human has the same voice ?", "Grad D : No no no . We u Wait . OK , good question , but uh you {disfmarker} you just wait and see .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : It 's {disfmarker} You 're gonna l learn . And um the wizard sometimes will not be audible , Because she was actually {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} there was some uh lapse in the um wireless , we have to move her closer .", "Grad A : Is she mispronouncing \" Anlage \" ? Is it \" Anlaga \" or \" Anlunga \"", "Grad D : They 're mispronouncing everything ,", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad D : but it 's {disfmarker} This is the system breaking down , actually . \" Did I call Europe ? \" So , this is it . Well , if we {disfmarker} we um", "Professor B : So , are {disfmarker} are you trying to record this meeting ?", "Grad D : There was a strange reflex . I have a headache . I 'm really sort of out of it . OK , the uh lessons learned . The reading needs to be shorter . Five minutes is just too long . Um , that was already anticipated by some people suggested that if we just have bullets here , they 're gonna not {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} subjects are probably not gonna {disfmarker} going to follow the order . And uh she did not .", "Grad C : Really ?", "Grad D : She {disfmarker} No .", "Grad C : Oh , it 's surprising .", "Grad D : She {disfmarker} she jumped around quite a bit .", "Professor B : S so if you just number them \" one \" , \" two \" , \" three \" it 's", "Grad D : Yeah , and make it sort of clear in the uh {disfmarker}", "Professor B : OK . Right .", "Grad D : Um . We need to {disfmarker} So that 's one thing . And we need a better introduction for the wizard . That is something that Fey actually thought of a {disfmarker} in the last second that sh the system should introduce itself , when it 's called .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm . True .", "Grad D : And um , um , another suggestion , by Liz , was that we uh , through subjects , switch the tasks . So when {disfmarker} when they have task - one with the computer , the next person should have task - one with a human , and so forth .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : So we get nice um data for that . Um , we have to refine the tasks more and more , which of course we haven't done at all , so far , in order to avoid this rephrasing , so where , even though w we don't tell the person \" ask {pause} blah - blah - blah - blah - blah \" they still try , or at least Litonya tried to um repeat as much of that text as possible .", "Grad C : Say exactly what 's on there ? Yeah .", "Grad D : And uh my suggestion is of course we {disfmarker} we keep the wizard , because I think she did a wonderful job ,", "Professor B : Great .", "Grad D : in the sense that she responded quite nicely to things that were not asked for , \" How much is a t a bus ticket and a transfer \" so this is gonna happen all the time , we d you can never be sure .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Um . Johno pointed out that uh we have maybe a grammatical gender problem there with wizard .", "Grad A : Yes .", "Grad D : So um .", "Grad A : I wasn't {disfmarker} wasn't sure whether wizard was the correct term for {pause} uh \" not a man \" .", "Grad C : There 's no female equivalent of {disfmarker}", "Grad D : But uh {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Are you sure ?", "Grad C : No , I don't know .", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad C : Not that I know of .", "Grad D : Well , there is witch and warlock ,", "Grad A : Yeah , that 's so @ @ .", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad C : Yeah , that 's what I was thinking , but {disfmarker}", "Grad D : and uh {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Right . Uh .", "Grad D : OK . And um {disfmarker} So , some {disfmarker} some work needs to be done , but I think we can uh {disfmarker} And this , and {disfmarker} in case no {disfmarker} you hadn't seen it , this is what Litonya looked at during the uh {disfmarker} um while taking the {disfmarker} while partaking in the data collection .", "Grad C : Ah .", "Professor B : OK , great . So {pause} first of all , I agree that um we should hire Fey , and start paying her . Probably pay for the time she 's put in as well . Um , do you know exactly how to do that , or is uh Lila {disfmarker} I mean , you know what exactly do we do to {disfmarker} to put her on the payroll in some way ?", "Grad D : I 'm completely clueless , but I 'm willing to learn .", "Professor B : OK . Well , you 'll have to . Right . So anyway , um", "Grad D : N", "Professor B : So why don't you uh ask Lila and see what she says about you know exactly what we do for someone in th", "Grad D : Student - type worker ,", "Professor B : Well , yeah she 's un she 's not a {disfmarker} a student ,", "Grad D : or {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : she just graduated but anyway .", "Grad D : Hmm .", "Professor B : So i if {disfmarker} Yeah , I agree , she sounded fine , she a actually was {pause} uh , more uh , present and stuff than {disfmarker} than she was in conversation , so she did a better job than I would have guessed from just talking to her .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : So I think that 's great .", "Grad D : This is sort of what I gave her , so this is for example h how to get to the student prison ,", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad D : and I didn't even spell it out here and in some cases I {disfmarker} I spelled it out a little bit um more thoroughly ,", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad D : this is the information on {disfmarker} on the low sunken castle , and the amphitheater that never came up , and um , so i if we give her even more um , instruments to work with I think the results are gonna be even better .", "Professor B : Oh , yeah , and then of course as she does it she 'll {disfmarker} she 'll learn @ @ . So that 's great . Um {pause} And also if she 's willing to take on the job of organizing all those subjects and stuff that would be wonderful .", "Grad D : Mmm .", "Professor B : And , uh she 's {disfmarker} actually she 's going to graduate school in a kind of an experimental paradigm , so I think this is all just fine in terms of h her learning things she 's gonna need to know uh , to do her career .", "Grad D : Mmm .", "Professor B : So , I {disfmarker} my guess is she 'll be r r quite happy to take on that job . And , so {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Yep . Yeah she {disfmarker} she didn't explicitly state that so .", "Professor B : Great .", "Grad D : And um I told her that we gonna um figure out a meeting time in the near future to refine the tasks and s look for the potential sources to find people . She also agrees that you know if it 's all just gonna be students the data is gonna be less valuable because of that so .", "Professor B : Well , as I say there is this s set of people next door , it 's not hard to", "Grad D : We 're already {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor B : uh {disfmarker}", "Grad D : However , we may run into a problem with a reading task there . And um , we 'll see .", "Professor B : Yeah . We could talk to the people who run it and um see if they have a way that they could easily uh tell people that there 's a task , pays ten bucks or something ,", "Grad D : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Professor B : but um you have to be comfortable reading relatively complicated stuff . And {disfmarker} and there 'll probably be self - selection to some extent ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 57, 94 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pros , cons , local authoritative frameworks", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The advantages or disadvantages of local authorities having commissioning frameworks for providers were brought into the conversation. Nick Williams shared an opinion, in which he particularly stressed the need to keep it balanced between safeguarding and the extra training and support offered to the staff. Nick also pointed schools were asked where the provision was put, and finally reported, as quality insurance, the additional provision was also used in their benefit.", "title": "Pros and Cons of Local Authoritative Frameworks", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pros , cons , local authoritative frameworks", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "One of the topics discussed at the meeting was the advantages or disadvantages of local authorities having commissioning frameworks for providers. That topic was brought up by Janet Finch-Saunders. Nick Williams shared an opinion, in which Nick particularly stressed the need to keep it balanced between safeguarding and the extra training and support offered to the staff. Nick could only talk about Swansea as an example and stated schools were asked to put where the provision was. Nick finally reported, as quality insurance, the additional provision was also used in their benefit. Like that, it was quality assured by both sides.", "title": "Pros and Cons of Local Authoritative Frameworks", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "role , local authorities , quality assurance , individual tuition", "speaker": "Sharon Davies" }, "summary": "Sharon Davies said restricted access into individual homes was difficult from local authority to home tuition. As a result, it was difficult to provide quality assurance in that field, as it would depend on families and whether they would invite the authorities in.", "title": "Sharon Davies' View on Individual Tuition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "role , local authorities , quality assurance , individual tuition", "speaker": "Sharon Davies" }, "summary": "Sharon Davies; what you mean by individual tuition; suppose the difficulty with home tuition is, as a local authority; restricted on how much access we get into the home; it's really difficult to quality assure, unless the families invite us in there's very little; restricted in that respect.", "title": "Sharon Davies' View on Individual Tuition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "conclusion , tuition , private setting", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Williams concluded the discussion about the tuition in a private setting by expressing that even if they were not comfortable at school and preferred home-tuition, the staff was still theirs. They were working for them in the local authority.", "title": "Conclusion of the Discussion about the Tuition in a Private Setting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "conclusion , tuition , private setting", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Williams; following a restricted timetable or whatever; school anxious; to get them into our provision; home-tuition staff work for us; provide a few hours of provision; go to the local library; their needs; can't be met in a school or in approved provision; the staff who do provide some education; work for us in the local authority.", "title": "Conclusion of the Discussion about the Tuition in a Private Setting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 26 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. So, in your view, though, what are the reasons for the delays that some children experience in accessing EOTAS\u00a0provision?", "Nick Williams : Capacity\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : What? Sorry, I missed that.", "Nick Williams : Sorry. Capacity: we just haven't got enough spaces in some cases, some year groups and so on. Obviously, given what I've said as well, and I'm sure it'd be the same for all local authorities, we've got to have robust systems and panels and so on to make sure that everything possible has been done to meet the needs of the learner in their home provision, if you like, the home school. So, there might be a time period when the learners are on a part-time timetable, which isn't ideal, I accept, but again, it's working with the families and the youngsters. Also, for us as well we've reinvigorated our managed move provision and discussion. We have somebody who oversees that and works very closely with our secondary schools so that we give almost a second chance to learners. Sometimes, it works really well; sometimes, the learner turns around and says, 'Actually, I preferred it in my old school.' So, there's a cooling-off period as well. I think the learner voice is very important there, because\u2014. We've got to have a package, I think, that is quite wide in its offer.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay. What would be the advantages or disadvantages, then, of local authorities having commissioning frameworks for providers, and for EOTAS providers to have approved status?", "Nick Williams : Obviously, we do do that, but we're struggling sometimes for additional provision\u2014very important around safeguarding. However, we don't want to make it too difficult, so that we haven't got any providers coming forward either. So, it's a little bit of a balancing act. But, first and foremost, safeguarding is at the forefront of our thinking. But I think, then, we need to perhaps think about how the staff in that sort of additional provision\u2014what sort of training and support they have. At the moment, that is a struggle for us, because we're managing those pressures in our own provision whilst we go out and observe through a provision framework to make sure that the provision is\u2014. But, to actually offer some additional training is a challenge.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay, thank you. To what extent do local authorities know about the level of EOTAS provision that is organised by individual schools, whether in an FE college or otherwise off the school site?", "Nick Williams : I can only speak for Swansea. We know, as part of that plan that we ask our schools to send in, they have to put down where that provision is. And obviously, as part of the visits, as well, to the schools by the challenge advisers, the school should be monitoring that provision and quality assuring that provision.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : And how is safeguarding monitored in terms of privately run EOTAS? Independent.", "Nick Williams : The schools would have to make sure that\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : But is that happening, do you know?", "Nick Williams : Yes, because schools do take safeguarding very, very seriously. They see the importance of it. It's their prime driver in many ways.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay. And is there a role for local authorities in quality assuring, monitoring or evaluating the EOTAS provision organised by individual schools?", "Nick Williams : Yes, but a lot of the additional provision is provision we also use, in our experience. So, if it's MTP or something through the college, like a mechanics course or something like that, we're probably using it ourselves. So, it is quality assured, if you like, by two sides.", "Sharon Davies : In Torfaen, our secondary schools have set out their own TCP\u2014Torfaen curriculum panel\u2014which looks at alternative provision. So, you've got senior leaders there who attend those meetings. The meetings are facilitated and they're currently undergoing a review of the alternate provisions each school is doing because, sometimes, it's worked in the past, but what they're seeing now is that it's not quite working now, and it's understanding why. Is it due to the complexity of the learners coming through? Or is it that the providers are not offering what the learners are seeking any more? So, it's looking as well at, coming back to that curriculum offer, is it the right curriculum offer for those learners? And the training of the staff, do we have the right staff? It's capacity, then. It's just quality assuring the provision. Just because it's worked in the past\u2014it's about keeping that momentum going.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay. And should local authorities take a greater role in quality assuring individual tuition?", "Sharon Davies : Can I just ask what you mean by individual tuition?", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : I suppose individual tuition in terms of each individual, I would assume that means.", "Sharon Davies : Okay.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : I wouldn't like to think anyone was falling through\u2014", "Lynne Neagle AM : I think the purpose of the question is around home tuition, yes.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes. Individual tuition in terms of we wouldn't want any child, if they're away from a main-school setting, to slip through the net in terms of tuition, or safeguarding even.", "Sharon Davies : I suppose the difficulty with home tuition is, as a local authority, we're restricted on how much access we get into the home.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Well, I appreciate that, and that's the\u2014[Inaudible.]", "Sharon Davies : Therefore, it's really difficult then to quality assure, because unless the families invite us in there's very little\u2014. We are restricted in that respect.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : What about if they're in a private setting?", "Nick Williams : If they're following a restricted timetable or whatever, because maybe they're school anxious and so on, and we're trying to get them into our provision like that, the home-tuition staff work for us. We don't use agency staff, for instance, to go in and provide a few hours of provision, or to go to the local library. So, for whatever reason their needs at the moment can't be met in a school or in approved provision, then the staff who do provide some education, or if it's for medical reasons, they work for us in the local authority. So, we're not using\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Is that widespread around Wales?", "Nick Williams : I don't really know the answer to that, I'm sorry. I can only speak for Swansea.", "Sharon Davies : We're very similar to that.", "David Hopkins : Historically, there has been a general pattern, and if you're making a provision you will quality assure it, clearly. I think your question is probably about other forms of provision and how do you quality assure those.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Absolutely, yes.", "David Hopkins : And that's more difficult to answer, I suspect.", "Lynne Neagle AM : What we were driving at was home tuition that is commissioned by the local authority, but I think Nick has answered that now, really, if that's a consistent answer for local authorities.\u00a0Can I just ask, before we move on, in the WLGA paper, you say you're concerned about the 'potential impact of changes to the registration of pupils who are EOTAS and the implications for the management of data/funding/joint working'. Can you expand on those concerns for the committee?", "Nick Williams : I think it's, you know\u2014", "Lynne Neagle AM : It was the WLGA paper, actually.", "David Hopkins : It was a joint paper. You go on.", "Nick Williams : It's about getting that money following the learner and so on, and that shared ownership of the learner that the schools need to keep, because we want them reintegrated back into schools\u2014that's the aim of any provision that we put in. It's not permanent\u2014except, for certain learners, that might be the case\u2014so they're still, if you like, part and parcel of the school. I think one of your other colleagues asked about the off-rolling, if you like\u2014another term that's used\u2014of students when they get to GCSEs\u00a0so they don't count in schools' data. We're trying to very much move away from that, through the messages that we all give our schools. The messages that governors and headteachers then give to their staff. So: 'They're our learners. They're the most vulnerable learners we've got.' And for the individuals, for the families, and for society, if we can't support these learners\u2014we know the links then to crime, and the cost to us as a society as well. So, it's in all our interests to do the very best for these learners." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 158, 202 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "practicality", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that this control should have been smaller than a regular one. User Interface said it should have been easy to manipulate, if possible, with just one finger. Project Manager proposed to add a slider cover to the control so that it was over the buttons that were not used much, in order to keep the simple design in the control and also to have the ease of finding those buttons, although User Interface ended up asking if it was really necessary to have all these buttons because at the end, you could call up the menu and see it on TV.", "title": "Remote Control Usability Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "practicality", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that this would be smaller than a regular remote control. User Interface said that it needed to be easy to manipulate and to use. Marketing added that it should be comfortable as well. Industrial Designer said that in a \"wheely\" remote control they tried, they only used the top part, because it had lots of different buttons that you didn't know what they did. Project Manager proposed having a cover that went over the buttons you didn't use that much, so you could have both, the practicality of having the buttons and a clean design. User interface finished asking if it was really necessary if you could bring up the menu on the TV screen.", "title": "Remote Control Usability Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 44 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Um , right . What if {disfmarker} I mean , if you're thinking of the design of it now , like the a you know , physical attributes ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : um , and you just have this , it's like just a long silver thing ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : or whatever we're thinking . I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing ? Or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T_V_ .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before . I mean {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah definitely .", "Project Manager : okay .", "User Interface : Like , I think we're looking at something that could be , like like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I mean it it needs to be easy to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah but should be comfortable .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I mean how do how do {disfmarker} I'm not really {disfmarker} Like when I use an iPod , I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . Or your thumb or something . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah I use it like that .", "Industrial Designer : W when we had the wheely remote control , we {disfmarker} it was on the top I think , if you held it like that .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But , were there buttons on there as well ?", "User Interface : Yeah , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do .", "Project Manager : Mm . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So we just used the top part .", "User Interface : Mm yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , so {disfmarker} but I mean I think it could be pretty small .", "Marketing : Uh .", "User Interface : Like , I d I mean , you you want it to be large enough that you can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What if , um , you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much ? Like you {disfmarker} so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that ? So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it .", "User Interface : But can't you just get {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Do {disfmarker} do you know what I'm talking about though ? Like , uh , yeah just something {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : K", "Marketing : Well you can have it on the settings ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , that you can flip over , yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : no ?", "User Interface : Yeah , But , I mean , do you need that ? If if you can get to , you know {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T_V_ screen ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 4, "turns": [ 714, 858 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new headphones , disk space", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Postdoc A purchased a pair of headphones, which were better than the old ones, and pretty inexpensive. As some people needed headphones, they decided to order three or four more. It was said that disk space was short, so they would need more than the eighteen gig hard drive. They ordered a hundred gigabytes, but another eighteen gig disk would be ordered. The stuff would be moved off when the new disks came in, meanwhile, they would use the available hundred gigs some of them had.", "title": "The Need for New Headsets and Additional Disk Space", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 13, 18, 24, [ 32, 34 ], 39, [ 66, 67 ], [ 87, 88 ], [ 90, 91 ], 109, 114, 131, 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new headphones , disk space", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Postdoc A, made a purchase of some other headphones; because of the problem of low gain in the originals, new ones; originally chosen, very expensive head headsets. PhD H, spare headsets; just earphones, sometimes, listen to audio files, borrow it from someone. Grad D, still need, a pair. Professor B, pretty inexpensive. PhD E, should order, two or three or four. Professor B, just buy them. Grad F thought, meant the disk space, short. PhD H, The disk space was short. Grad D, a lot more, probably, disk space, eighteen gig hard drive. Professor B, just ordered a hundred gigabytes. Grad D, move the stuff off; Grad F, Once they come in. Professor B, another hundred gig. PhD E, each meeting, a gig.", "title": "The Need for New Headsets and Additional Disk Space", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 13, 18, 24, [ 32, 34 ], 39, [ 66, 67 ], [ 87, 88 ], [ 90, 91 ], 109, 114, 131, 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new headphones", "speaker": "Postdoc A" }, "summary": "Postdoc A purchased new headphones that were even better and less expensive than the ones the team originally decided to buy, which had been used by prominent projects in transcription. Postdoc A bought a couple of pairs from Cambridge SoundWorks and stated that one pair was supposed to be for spare.", "title": "Postdoc a Bought New Headphones", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4, 9, 11, 19, 43, 45, 47, [ 53, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new headphones", "speaker": "Postdoc A" }, "summary": "Postdoc A, purchase, other headphones; prefer the new ones; transcription; for spares; Cambridge SoundWorks, in stock.", "title": "Postdoc a Bought New Headphones", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4, 9, 11, 19, 43, 45, 47, [ 53, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "headphones , disk space", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B instructed to buy earphones if needed, and said they were inexpensive. About the disk space, they ordered a hundred gigabytes, and would be getting three thirty-sixes. There were another hundred gigs that could be used.", "title": "Professors B's View on Headphones and Disk Space", "relevant_turns": [ 18, 22, 28, 33, 39, 42, 88, 91, 95, 131, 134, [ 136, 138 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "headphones , disk space", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B, get it, need it; pretty inexpensive, buy them; ordered a hundred gigabytes.", "title": "Professors B's View on Headphones and Disk Space", "relevant_turns": [ 18, 22, 28, 33, 39, 42, 88, 91, 95, 131, 134, [ 136, 138 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disk space", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D mentioned the need for new disks or space from the eighteen-gig hard drive and asked about what to do with the information when new disks arrived, and would try to find something for storing space required.", "title": "Grad D's Opinion on Disk Space and Hard Drive", "relevant_turns": [ 83, 87, 103, 109, [ 123, 128 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "disk space", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D offered up a hard drive, and said that they'd need disk space from the eighteen gig hard drive. Grad D wondered whether to move the stuff off the hard drive onto the new disks.", "title": "Grad D's Opinion on Disk Space and Hard Drive", "relevant_turns": [ 83, 87, 103, 109, [ 123, 128 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Postdoc A : And then I also {disfmarker} the final thing I have for transcription is that I made a purchase of some other headphones", "PhD H : C", "Postdoc A : because of the problem of low gain in the originals . And {disfmarker} and they very much appro they mu much prefer the new ones , and actually I {disfmarker} I mean , I {disfmarker} I think that there will be fewer things to correct because of the {disfmarker} the choice . We 'd originally chosen , uh , very expensive head headsets", "Grad F : Yeah . Ugh !", "Postdoc A : but , um , they 're just not as good as these , um , in this {disfmarker} with this respect to this particular task .", "PhD H : Well , return the old ones .", "Grad F : It 's probably impedance matching problems .", "Postdoc A : I don't know exactly ,", "Grad F : But {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : but we chose them because that 's what 's been used here by prominent projects in transcription .", "Professor B : Could be .", "Postdoc A : So it i we had every reason to think they would work .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD H : So you have spare headsets ?", "Postdoc A : Sorry , what ?", "PhD H : You have spare headsets ?", "Grad F : They 're just earphones . They 're not headsets . They 're not microphones .", "PhD E : Right .", "PhD H : No , no . I mean , just earphones ? Um , because I , uh , I could use one on my workstation , just to t because sometimes I have to listen to audio files and I don't have to b go borrow it from someone and {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : We have actua actually I have {disfmarker} W Well , the thing is , that if we have four people come to work {pause} for a day , I was {disfmarker} I was hanging on to the others for , eh {disfmarker} for spares ,", "PhD H : Oh , OK .", "Postdoc A : but I can tell you what I recommend .", "Professor B : No , but you 'd {disfmarker} If you {disfmarker} Yeah , w we should get it .", "PhD H : Sure . No problem .", "Grad F : But if you need it , just get it .", "PhD H : I just {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Come on .", "PhD H : Right .", "Professor B : Yeah . If you need it .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : It 'd just have to be a s a separate order {disfmarker} an added order .", "Grad D : Yeah , I still {disfmarker} I still need to get a pair , too .", "Professor B : They 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're pretty inexpensive .", "PhD E : Yeah , that {disfmarker} We should order a cou uh , t two or three or four , actually .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad D : I 'm using one of these . Yeah .", "PhD E : We have {disfmarker}", "PhD H : I think I have a pair that I brought from home , but it 's f just for music listening", "Professor B : No . Just {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} just buy them .", "PhD E : Sh - Just get the model number", "PhD H : and it 's not {disfmarker} Nnn . Yeah .", "Professor B : Just buy them .", "PhD E : and {disfmarker} Where do you buy these from ?", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : Cambridge SoundWorks , just down the street .", "PhD E : Like {disfmarker} ? You just b go and b", "Postdoc A : Yeah . They always have them in stock .", "PhD E : Oh .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : That 'd be a good idea .", "PhD H : Anyway .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad F : W uh , could you email out the brand ?", "Postdoc A : Oh , sure . Yeah . OK .", "Grad F : Cuz I think {disfmarker} sounds like people are interested .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad D : Definitely .", "Grad F : So .", "Postdoc A : It 's made a difference in {disfmarker} in how easy . Yeah .", "Professor B : I realized something I should talk about . So what 's the other thing on the agenda actually ?", "Grad F : Uh , the only one was Don wanted to , uh , talk about disk space yet again .", "Grad D : Yeah . u It 's short . I mean , if you wanna go , we can just throw it in at the end .", "Professor B : No , no . Why don't you {disfmarker} why don't you go ahead since it 's short .", "Grad D : Um , well , uh .", "Grad F : Oh , I thought you meant the disk space . Yeah , we know disk space is short .", "PhD H : The disk space was short . Yeah . That 's what I thought too .", "PhD E : That 's a great ambiguity .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : It 's one of these {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's social", "Professor B : It 's {disfmarker} I i i it i", "PhD E : and , uh , discourse level", "Grad D : Yeah .", "PhD E : and {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , it 's great . Yeah ,", "PhD E : Sorry .", "Professor B : double {disfmarker} double {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yeah , it was really goo", "PhD E : See , if I had that little {pause} scratch - pad , I would have made an X there .", "Grad D : Thank you , thank you .", "Grad F : Uh , well , we 'll give you one then .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad D : Um . {vocalsound} So , um , without thinking about it , when I offered up my hard drive last week {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Oh , no .", "Grad D : Um , this is always a suspect phrase .", "PhD E : It was while I was out of town .", "Grad D : But , um , no . I , uh {disfmarker} I realized that we 're going to be doing a lot of experiments , um , {vocalsound} o for this , uh , paper we 're writing , so we 're probably gonna need a lot more {disfmarker} We 're probably gonna need {vocalsound} that disk space that we had on that eighteen gig hard drive . But , um , we also have someone else coming in that 's gonna help us out with some stuff .", "Professor B : We 've just ordered a hundred gigabytes .", "Grad D : So {disfmarker} OK . We just need to {disfmarker}", "PhD E : I think we need , like , another eighteen gig disk {pause} to be safe .", "Professor B : Well , we 're getting three thirty {disfmarker} thirty - sixes .", "PhD E : So .", "Professor B : Right ?", "Grad D : OK .", "Professor B : That are going into the main f file server .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : So .", "PhD C : Markham 's ordering and they should be coming in soon .", "Grad D : W Well . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Soon ?", "Grad D : Yeah . I mean , I guess the thing is is , all I need is to hang it off , like , {vocalsound} the person who 's coming in , Sonali 's , computer .", "PhD H : Oh , so {disfmarker} so , you mean the d the internal {disfmarker} the disks on the machines that we just got ?", "Grad D : Whew . Or we can move them .", "Grad F : No .", "PhD C : These are gonna go onto Abbott .", "Grad F : Ne - new disks .", "PhD H : Or extra disk ?", "Professor B : Onto Abbott , the file server .", "Grad D : So are we gonna move the stuff off of my hard drive onto that when those come in ?", "Grad F : On {disfmarker}", "PhD H : Oh , oh . OK .", "Grad F : Yeah .", "PhD E : Uh , i", "Grad F : Once they come in . Sure .", "Grad D : OK . That 's fine .", "PhD E : Do {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when is this planned for {pause} roughly ?", "PhD C : They should be {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I imagine next week or something .", "Grad D : OK .", "PhD E : OK . So {disfmarker}", "Grad F : If you 're {disfmarker} if you 're desperate , I have some space on my drive .", "Grad D : I think if I 'm {disfmarker}", "Grad F : But I {disfmarker} I vacillate between no space free and {pause} a few gig free .", "Grad D : Yeah . I think I can find something if I 'm desperate", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : So .", "Grad D : and , um , in the meantime I 'll just hold out .", "Grad F : OK .", "Grad D : That was the only thing I wanted to bring up .", "PhD C : It should be soon . We {disfmarker} we should {disfmarker}", "Grad D : OK .", "Professor B : So there 's another hundred gig . So .", "Grad D : Alright . Great .", "PhD H : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : OK . It 's great to be able to do it ,", "Grad D : That 's it .", "Professor B : just say \" oh yeah , a hundred gig ,", "PhD E : Good .", "Professor B : no big deal \" .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Grad F : Yeah . A hundred gig here , a hundred gig there .", "PhD E : Well , each meeting is like a gig or something ,", "Grad F : It 's eventually real disk space .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : so it 's really {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 47, "turns": [ 55, 102 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user interface", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the user interface would consist of two parts namely voice commands and actual buttons. The actual buttons consisted of different sets of buttons for different purposes and any button could be assigned to the voice command feature. The thought of making everything generic came up but was immediately discarded for its commonness in already existing remote controls.", "title": "Description of the User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "user interface", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface described the user interface as consisting of the voice command part and the actual button part. The buttons consisted of a set for choosing devices, special navigation in space, linear access and random access respectively. Common parameters were assigned a button. The thought of making everything generic came up but was immediately discarded for its commonness in already existing remote controls. Also, any button could be assigned for voice command provided there was enough processing power.", "title": "Description of the User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 36 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : {vocalsound} So um the question well first of all what to control . So {vocalsound} most people want to have a a remote for their hi-fi and T_V_ and stuff like that .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And {disfmarker} but other people want th also remotes for {vocalsound} controlling uh and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : and other people also want to have remotes for controlling um whole house .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah , so there's a project I think called X_ house or something like that that does that , uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff . So {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : there is one {disfmarker} that is one thing . The other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever . Uh if you have the finder feature then you can also have", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : uh at the same time as {disfmarker} and general voice commands if you want yeah . {vocalsound} So I think it should be a package in that case .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Uh so the user interface will consist of two parts . {vocalsound} One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part . {vocalsound} Uh and th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttons for choosing devices , a set of buttons for special navigation in space ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : a set of buttons for {vocalsound} linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : What do you mean by linear access then ?", "User Interface : Like a video tape goes forward , backwards , uh fast and stuff yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Ah .", "Project Manager : Okay so special navigation , linear access , random access", "User Interface : Um .", "Project Manager : and there's a fourth one no ?", "User Interface : Mm ?", "Project Manager : So the better now for special navigation ?", "User Interface : Yeah . For special navigation for example you might have a T_V_ in the menu and you going to change yeah ?", "Project Manager : Okay . Then linear access", "User Interface : Uh .", "Project Manager : then random access .", "User Interface : Mm . Yeah and also parameter changing .", "Project Manager : Ah yeah parameter okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that um", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : or maybe we could have everything uh generic but uh there are a lot of uh remotes on the market right now and {vocalsound} basically this is most of the {disfmarker} almost everybody has this stuff .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay and and voice command did you uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Voice command w we could specify anything . We could assign any button {disfmarker} a command to any button , if we have enough processing power ,", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "User Interface : I guess so . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So that's uh that close your investigations ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Uh yeah I think so .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Not so far .", "Project Manager : Maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 5, 220 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new beep format", "speaker": "PhD B , Grad F" }, "summary": "PhD B said that the main thing was if they could align what was given to what was sent, and they maybe did that with the new beep format. 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PhD B agreed.", "title": "Postdoc A and PhD B Thoughts About Huge Numbers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ibm stuff", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor D" }, "summary": "Grad F asked about IBM stuff, and Professor D answered that the IBM stuff was sorted out, and asked how they did with the rest of it, then asked that if the IBM stuff worked out, the difference was that they would check through things that were already done.", "title": "Grad F and Professor D Talking About IBM Stuff", "relevant_turns": [ [ 120, 128 ], [ 143, 148 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "ibm stuff", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor D" }, "summary": "Grad F asked if they had anything to say about transcription and IBM stuff. Professor D answered that they got the IBM stuff sorted out, Grad F just thought. Professor D asked how they did with the rest of it, then asked if the IBM stuff worked out, the difference was that they primarily would check through things that were already done by someone else, it was most of what it was, then said correcting.", "title": "Grad F and Professor D Talking About IBM Stuff", "relevant_turns": [ [ 120, 128 ], [ 143, 148 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "files", "speaker": "Postdoc A , Professor D , Grad F" }, "summary": "Grad F asked why not have agenda to discuss reorganization status, Postdoc A and Professor D thought were files and directories. Grad F said Absinthe was multiprocessor UNIX Linux.", "title": "Postdoc A, Professor D and Grad F Talking About Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "files", "speaker": "Postdoc A , Professor D , Grad F" }, "summary": "Grad F suggested talking about SmartKom data and reorganization status, Postdoc A asked if were files, Professor D confirmed.", "title": "Postdoc A, Professor D and Grad F Talking About Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ibm transcription status", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor D" }, "summary": "At the start of the meeting Grad F said IBM transcription status, Professor D agreed and asked what else, then said that they should talk about the IBM transcription status after a while Grad F said that they could let IBM transcribe it, and they did it anyway unless they told them otherwise.", "title": "Grad F and Professor D Taking About IBM Transcription Status", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 49, 56 ], 186 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "ibm transcription status", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor D" }, "summary": "Grad F mentioned IBM transcription status, Professor D agreed, then said that they should talk about IBM transcription status.", "title": "Grad F and Professor D Taking About IBM Transcription Status", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 49, 56 ], 186 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "beeps", "speaker": "Grad F , PhD B" }, "summary": "Grad F said that they did another version of the beep, separated with a spoken digit then said that last time there were errors in transcripts, they put beeps where there weren't any, then PhD B said that every once in a while the beep sounded like it was cut into two beeps. Grad F said that the beeps were pre-recorded.", "title": "Grad F and PhD B Talking About Beeps", "relevant_turns": [ [ 51, 52 ], [ 67, 72 ], 192 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "beeps", "speaker": "Grad F , PhD B" }, "summary": "Grad F said that they did another version of the beeps, with errors about extraneous beeps. PhD B said the beep sound was cut into two beeps.", "title": "Grad F and PhD B Discussing About Beeps", "relevant_turns": [ [ 51, 52 ], [ 67, 72 ], 192 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interested", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor D" }, "summary": "Grad F said that they probably would be interested, Professor D said yes but they had to pick something that they would talk about for ten minutes while they came. Then Grad F said what they should do about digits, then Professor D said that Andreas was less interested than Liz.", "title": "Grad F and Professor D Talking About Interest", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 29 ], [ 116, 119 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "interested", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor D" }, "summary": "Grad F guessed Absinthe would be interested, Professor D suggested picking something that they would talk about for ten minutes while they came.", "title": "Grad F and Professor D Talking About Interest", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 29 ], [ 116, 119 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "hours", "speaker": "Postdoc A , Professor D" }, "summary": "Postdoc A said they had a goal for the demo, of twenty hours, so they needed to be sure that everything was processed and released, then moved to the next. Professor D said that was kinda twenty hours ASAP because more time was for people that did cool things with that. Postdoc A said full-time wasn't really possible.", "title": "Postdoc A and Professor D Talking About Hours", "relevant_turns": [ [ 131, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "hours", "speaker": "Postdoc A , Professor D" }, "summary": "Postdoc A said that Professor D indicated that they had a goal for the DARPA demo, of twenty hours, so they needed to be sure that everything was processed and released, and that was their goal, once was done, they moved to the next. Professor D said that was kinda twenty hours ASAP because it was better to have the hours early because more time was for people that could do cool things with that. Postdoc A said that full-time wasn't really possible.", "title": "Postdoc A and Professor D Talking About Hours", "relevant_turns": [ [ 131, 139 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad F : OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , IBM transcription status ,", "Professor D : IBM transcription . Uh , what else ?", "Grad F :", "Professor D : What 's SmartKom ? SmartKom ?", "Grad F : Uh , we wanna talk about if w if we wanna add the data to the mar Meeting Recorder corpus .", "PhD E : The data . The data which we are collecting here .", "Professor D : What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are we collecting here ?", "PhD E : Data ?", "Grad F : So why don't we have that on the agenda and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get to it and talk about it ?", "PhD E : The SmartKom data ?", "Professor D : Yeah , right .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor D : Uh , right . Uh .", "Grad F : Uh , reorganization status .", "Professor D : Reorganization status .", "Postdoc A : Oh . Files and directories ?", "Professor D : Files and directories .", "Grad F : Yep . Uh - huh . Absinthe , which is the multiprocessor UNIX {disfmarker} Linux . I think it was {pause} Andreas wanted to talk about segmentation and recognition , and update on SRI recognition experiments .", "Professor D : Um {disfmarker}", "Grad F : And then if ti if there 's time I wanted to talk about digits , but it looked like we were pretty full , so I can wait till next week .", "Professor D : Right . OK . Well , let 's see . I think the a certainly the segmentation and recognition we wanna maybe focus on when An - Andreas is here since that was particularly his thing .", "PhD E : And also the SmartKom thing should b", "Professor D : SmartKom also , Andreas . Absinthe , I think also he has sort of been involved in a lot of those things .", "Grad F : At least ,", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad F : yeah , he 'll t he 'll probably be interested .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad F : But .", "Professor D : Um So , I mean , I think they 'll be inter I 'll be interested in all this , but {disfmarker} but , uh , probably , if we had to pick something {pause} that we would talk on for ten minutes or so while they 're coming here . Or I guess it would be , you think , reorganization status , or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad F : Yeah . I mean , I think , Chuck was the one who added out the agenda item . I don't really have anything to say other than that we still haven't done it .", "PhD B : Well , I mean , I uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} just basically that {disfmarker}", "Grad F : So .", "PhD B : maybe I said {disfmarker} maybe we said this before {disfmarker} just that we met and we talked about it and we sort of have a plan for getting things organized and {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : And I {disfmarker} and I think a crucial part of that is the idea of {disfmarker} of not wanting to do it until right before the next level zero back - up so that there won't be huge number of {disfmarker} of added ,", "PhD B : Right .", "Postdoc A : uh {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Right .", "PhD B : That {disfmarker} that was basically it . Not {disfmarker} not much @ @ {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Although Dave basically said that if we wanna do it , just tell him and he 'll do a d level zero then .", "Postdoc A : Yeah . Uh - huh . Oh , excellent .", "Grad F : So .", "Postdoc A : Oh , good .", "PhD B : Oh , so maybe we should just go ahead and get everything ready , and {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yep . So , I think we do need to talk a little bit about {disfmarker} Well , we don't need to do it during this meeting .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Grad F : We have a little more to discuss . But , uh , we 're {disfmarker} we 're basically ready to do it . And , uh , I have some web pages on ts {comment} more of the background . So , naming conventions and things like that , that I 've been trying to keep actually up to date . So . And I 've been sharing them with U - d UW folks also .", "Postdoc A : I 'm sorry , you 've been what ? Showing them ?", "Professor D : OK .", "Postdoc A : Sharing them .", "Grad F : Sharing them with the UW folks .", "Postdoc A : OK . OK .", "Professor D : OK . Well , maybe uh , since that {disfmarker} that was a pretty short one , maybe we should talk about the IBM transcription status . Someone can {vocalsound} fill in Liz and Andreas later . Uh", "Grad F : OK . So , we , uh {disfmarker} we did another version of the beeps , where we separated each beeps with a spoken digit . Chuck came up here and recorded some di himself speaking some digits , and so it just goes \" beep one beep \" and then the phrase , and then \" beep two beep \" and then the phrase . And that seems pretty good . Um , I think they 'll have a b easier time keeping track of where they are in the file .", "PhD E : And we have done that on the {pause} automatic segmentations .", "Grad F : And we did it with the automatic segmentation , and I don't think {disfmarker} We ne we didn't look at it in detail . We just sent it to IBM . We {disfmarker} we sorta spot - checked it .", "PhD B : I listened to {pause} probably , uh , five or ten minutes of it from the beginning .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Oh , really ?", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Grad F : OK .", "PhD B : And {disfmarker}", "Grad F : I sorta spot - checked here and there and it sounded pretty good . So . I think it 'll work .", "Professor D : OK .", "Grad F : And , uh , we 'll just hafta see what we get back from them . Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD B : And the main thing will be if we can align what they give us with what we sent them . I mean , that 's the crucial part .", "Grad F : Right .", "PhD B : And I think we 'll be able to do that at {disfmarker} with this new beep format .", "Grad F : Yep . Well , I think it 's also they are much less likely to d have errors .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : I mean , so the problem wi last time is that there were errors in the transcripts where they put beeps where there weren't any , or {disfmarker} and they put in extraneous beeps .", "PhD B : Right . Yeah .", "Grad F : And with the numbers there , it 's much less likely .", "PhD B : Yeah , one interesting note is {disfmarker} uh , or problem {disfmarker} I dunno if this was just because of how I play it back , I say , uh , SND - play and then the file , every once in a while , @ @ {comment} uh , like a beep sounds like it 's cut into two beeps .", "PhD E : Yeah . Into two pieces .", "PhD B : Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I dunno if that 's an , uh , artifact of playback {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah . Yep .", "PhD B : bu uh , I don't think it 's probably in the original file . Um , but , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD E : I recognize that , too . Yeah .", "Grad F : Ha . That 's interesting . I didn't hear that .", "PhD B : Yeah . But with this new format , um , that hopefully they 're not hearing that , and if they are , it shouldn't throw them .", "PhD E : Yep .", "PhD B : So .", "Grad F : Well , maybe we better listen to it again , make sure , but , I mean , certainly the software shouldn't do that ,", "PhD B : Yeah . That 's what I thought .", "Grad F : so .", "Postdoc A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : I it 's probably just , you know , mmm , somehow the audio {pause} device gets hung for a second ,", "PhD E : Yeah . Some latency or something .", "Grad F : Hiccups .", "PhD E : Yeah ?", "Postdoc A : As long as they have one number , and they know that there 's only one beep maximum {vocalsound} that goes with that number .", "PhD B : or {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah . Right .", "Grad F : Yeah . The only {disfmarker} the only part that might be confusing is when Chuck is reading digits .", "PhD B : Right .", "PhD E : Yep .", "Postdoc A : Well , you know , actually , are we having them {disfmarker}", "PhD B : So {vocalsound} th", "Grad F : \" Seven four eight beep seven beep {vocalsound} eight three two \" .", "Postdoc A : Yeah , but are we having them do digits ?", "Grad F : Yes . Because , uh , we don't {disfmarker} we didn't {disfmarker} In order to cut them out we 'd have to listen to it .", "PhD B : We {disfmarker} we didn't cut those out .", "PhD E : Yeah . They are not transcribed yet . So . Yeah .", "Postdoc A : OK .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad F : And we wanted to avoid doing that ,", "Postdoc A : OK .", "Grad F : so we {disfmarker} they are transcribing the digits .", "Postdoc A : OK .", "PhD B : We can {disfmarker} we can ignore it when we get it back ,", "Grad F : Although we could tell them {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} we could tell them , if you hear someone reading a digits string just say \" bracket digit bracket \"", "PhD B : huh .", "Grad F : and don't bother actually computing the di writing down the digits .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : That 'd be great . That 'd be what I 'm having the transcribers here do , cuz it can be extracted later .", "Grad F : Yep . And then I wanted to talk about {disfmarker} but as I said I {disfmarker} we may not have time {disfmarker} what we should do about digits . We have a whole pile of digits that haven't been transcribed .", "Professor D : Le - let 's talk about it , because that 's {disfmarker} that 's something that I {disfmarker} I know Andreas is less interested in than Liz is ,", "Grad F : OK .", "Professor D : so , you know . It 's good {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Do we have anything else to say about transcription ? About IBM stuff ?", "PhD B : Uh , Brian {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {vocalsound} sent bresset {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} sent Brian a message about {pause} {vocalsound} the meeting and I haven't heard back yet . So . I g hope he got it and hopefully he 's {disfmarker}", "Grad F : OK .", "Postdoc A : Hmm .", "PhD B : maybe he 's gone , I dunno . He didn't even reply to my message . So . I should probably ping him just to make sure that he got it .", "Grad F : Alright . So , we have a whole bunch of digits , if we wanna move on to digits .", "Professor D : Actually , maybe I {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} one relate more related thing in transcription . So that 's the IBM stuff . We 've got that sorted out . Um , how 're we doing on the {disfmarker} on the rest of it ?", "Postdoc A : We 're doing well . I {disfmarker} I hire {disfmarker} I 've hired two extra people already , expect to hire two more .", "Grad F : Hmm .", "Postdoc A : And , um , {vocalsound} I 've prepared , um , uh , a set of five which I 'm {disfmarker} which I 'm calling set two , which are now being edited by my head transcriber , {vocalsound} in terms of spelling errors and all that . She 's also checking through and mar and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and monitoring , um , the transcription of another transcriber . You know , I mean , she 's going through and doing these kinds of checks .", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "Postdoc A : And , I 've moved on now to what I 'm calling set three . I sort of thought if I do it in sets {disfmarker} groups of five , then I can have , like , sort of a {disfmarker} a parallel processing through {disfmarker} through the {disfmarker} the current .", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "Postdoc A : And {disfmarker} and you indicated to me that we have a g a goal now , {vocalsound} for the {disfmarker} for the , um , {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} the , uh , DARPA demo , of twenty hours . So , I 'm gonna go up to twenty hours , be sure that everything gets processed , and released , and {disfmarker} {pause} {comment} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's what my goal is . Package of twenty hours right now , {vocalsound} and then once that 's done , move on to the next .", "Professor D : Yeah , uh , so twenty hours . But I guess the other thing is that , um , that {disfmarker} that 's kinda twenty hours ASAP because the longer before the demo we actually have the twenty hours , the more time it 'll be for people to actually do cool things with it .", "Postdoc A : Mm - hmm . Good . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm hiring people who , {vocalsound} uh , really are {disfmarker}", "Professor D : So . OK .", "Postdoc A : They would like to do it full - time , several of these people . And {disfmarker} and I don't think it 's {vocalsound} possible , really , to do this full - time , but , that {disfmarker} what it shows is motivation to do as many hours as possible .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : It 'll keep your accuracy up . Yep .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : And they 're really excellent .", "Professor D : Yeah . Well , that 's good .", "Postdoc A : Yeah . Got a good core group now .", "Professor D : Yeah , I mean , I guess the {disfmarker} So the difference if {disfmarker} if , um , if the IBM stuff works out , the difference in the job would be that they p primarily would be checking through things that were already done by someone else ?", "Postdoc A : Again . Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : Is that most of what it {disfmarker} ?", "Grad F : And correcting .", "Professor D : I mean {disfmarker} Correcting .", "Grad F : Correcting . We 'll {disfmarker} we 'll expect that they 'll have to move some time bins and do some corrections .", "Postdoc A : And I {disfmarker} you know , I 've also d uh , discovered {disfmarker} So with the new transcriber I 'm {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Uh , lemme say that my , uh {disfmarker} So , um {disfmarker} At present , um , the people have been doing these transcriptions a channel at a time . And , that sort of , um , {vocalsound} is useful , and t you know , and then once in a while they 'll have to refer to the other channels to clear something up . OK . Well , {vocalsound} I realize that , um , w i we we 're using the pre - segmented version , and , um , the pre - segmented version is extremely useful , and wouldn't it be , useful also to have the visual representation of those segments ? And so I 've {disfmarker} {pause} uh , {pause} I , uh , uh , I 've {comment} trained the new one {disfmarker} uh , the new the newest one , {vocalsound} to , um , {vocalsound} use the visual from the channel that is gonna be transcribed at any given time . And that 's just amazingly helpful . Because what happens then , is you scan across the signal and once in a while you 'll find a blip that didn't show up in the pre - segmentation .", "Grad F : Oh , right .", "Postdoc A : And that 'll be something like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I it 's ver {disfmarker} it 's interesting .", "Grad F : I see what you mean . A backchannel , or {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : Once in a while it 's a backchannel .", "PhD E : Yep .", "Postdoc A : Sometimes it seems to be , um , similar to the ones that are being picked up .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc A : And they 're rare events , but you can really go through a meeting very quickly . You just {disfmarker} you just , you know , yo you s you scroll from screen to screen , looking for blips . And , I think that we 're gonna end up with , uh {pause} better coverage of the backchannels ,", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : but at the same time we 're benefitting tremendously from the pre - segmentation because {vocalsound} there are huge places where there is just absolutely no activity at all . And , uh , the audio quality is so good {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : So they can {disfmarker} they can , um , scroll through that pretty quick ?", "Postdoc A : Yeah . Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : That 's great .", "Postdoc A : Yeah . So I think that that 's gonna , also {pause} eh , {comment} you know , speed the efficiency of this part of the process .", "Professor D : Hmm . OK . Uh , yeah . So , uh {disfmarker} Yeah . So let 's talk about the digits , since they 're not here yet .", "Grad F : Uh , so , we have a whole bunch of digits that we 've read and we have the forms and so on , um , but only a small number of that ha well , not a small number {disfmarker} only a subset of that has been transcribed . And so we need to decide what we wanna do . And , uh , Liz and Andreas {disfmarker} actually they 're not here , but , they did say at one point that they thought they could do a pretty good job of just doing a forced alignment . And , again , I don't think we 'll be able to do with that alone , because , um , sometimes people correct themselves and things like that . But {disfmarker} so , I was just wondering what people thought about how automated can we make the process of finding where the people read the digits , doing a forced alignment , and doing the timing .", "Professor D : Well , forced alignment would be one thing . What about just actually doing recognition ?", "Grad F : Well , we {disfmarker} we know what they read , because we have the forms .", "Professor D : No , they make mistakes .", "Grad F : Right . But , the point is that we wanna get a set of clean digits .", "PhD B : You 're talking about as a pre - processing step .", "Professor D : Right .", "PhD B : Right , Morgan ?", "Professor D : Um {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Is that what you 're {disfmarker} ?", "Professor D : Yeah , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not quite sure what I 'm talking about . I mean {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , uh , we 're talking about digits now . And {disfmarker} and so , um , there 's a bunch of stuff that hasn't been marked yet . Uh . And , um , {vocalsound} there 's the issue that {disfmarker} that they {disfmarker} we know what {disfmarker} what was said , but do we ?", "Grad F : I mean , so one option i", "Professor D : Because people make mistakes and stuff . I was just asking , just out of curiosity , if {disfmarker} if with , uh {disfmarker} uh , the SRI recognizer getting one percent word error , uh , would we {disfmarker} would we do {pause} better {disfmarker} ? So , if you do a forced alignment but the force but the {disfmarker} but the transcription you have is wrong because they actually made mistakes , uh , or {vocalsound} false starts , it 's {disfmarker} it 's much less c {vocalsound} it 's {pause} much less common than one percent ?", "Grad F : But that 's pretty uncommon . Um , if we could really get one percent on {disfmarker}", "Professor D : We should be able to .", "Grad F : Well , I guess {disfmarker} yeah , I guess if we segmented it , we could get one percent on digits .", "Professor D : Right ?", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah . So that 's just my question . I 'm not saying it should be one way or the other , but it 's {disfmarker} If {disfmarker}", "Grad F : But , Well , there {disfmarker} there 're a couple different of doing it . We could use the tools I 've already developed and transcribe it . Hire some people , or use the transcribers to do it . We could let IBM transcribe it . You know , they 're doing it anyway , and unless we tell them different , they 're gonna transcribe it . Um , or we could try some automated methods .", "Professor D : Well {disfmarker}", "Grad F : And my {disfmarker} my tendency right now is , well , if IBM comes back with this meeting and the transcript is good , just let them do it .", "Professor D : Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} Y you raised a point , kind of , uh , euphemistically {disfmarker} but , I mean , m maybe it is a serious problem . Ho - what will they do when they go {disfmarker} hear \" beep {pause} seven {pause} beep {pause} seven three five two \" {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} you think they 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get {disfmarker} ?", "Grad F : It 's pretty distinct .", "Professor D : Yeah ?", "Grad F : The beeps are {pause} pre - recorded .", "PhD B : It 'll {comment} only be a problem for m for mine .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : Well it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} well , it 'd be preceded by \" I 'm reading transcript so - and - so \" ?", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Grad F : Yes .", "Postdoc A : So , I think if they 're processing it at {disfmarker}", "Grad F : I mean , it 'll be {disfmarker} it will be in the midst of a digit string .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad F : So {disfmarker} I mean it {disfmarker} sure , there {disfmarker} there might be a place where it 's \" beep seven {pause} beep eight {pause} beep {pause} eight {pause} beep \" . But , you know , they {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're gonna macros for inserting the beep marks . And so , I {disfmarker} I don't think it 'll be a problem . We 'll have to see , but I don't think it 's gonna be a problem .", "Professor D : OK . Well , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I dunno , I {disfmarker} I think that that 's {disfmarker} if they are in fact going to transcribe these things , uh , certainly any process that we 'd have to correct them , or whatever is {disfmarker} needs to be much less elaborate for digits than for other stuff .", "Grad F : Right .", "Professor D : So , why not ? Sure . That was it ?", "Grad F : That was it . Just , what do we do with digits ?", "Professor D : OK .", "Grad F : We have so many of them , {vocalsound} and it 'd be nice to {pause} actually do something with them .", "Professor D : Well , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we wanna have them . Yeah , I {disfmarker}", "PhD I : You mean there 're more than ten ?", "Grad F : Anything else ? Your mike is a little low there .", "Professor D : I in Berkeley , yeah . So , {vocalsound} uh {pause} You {disfmarker} you have to go a little early , right ? At twenty {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Well , I can stay till about , uh , three forty .", "Professor D : Alright . So le let 's make sure we do the ones that {disfmarker} that , uh , saved you .", "PhD I : Yeah . Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : So there was some {disfmarker} Uh {pause} {vocalsound} In {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} Adam 's agenda list , he had something from you about segmentation this last recognition ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 0, 53 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype , remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager discussed trends while prototype presentation. Fancy look-and-feel, new styles and fruit-vegetable idea together with spongy feel were looked upon as those were features the potential consumers were opting for and thought important. Simplicity and buttons were a part of the prototype. Other devices: kid's remote and an ipod, were an inspiration for remote control's functions. Speech recognition feature was left behind. Materials and energy sources were analysed. Quick on-off button was predicted in the prototype. User Interface added a banana shaped idea, yellow color, a spongy grip and a scroll wheel to the remote prototype's look. IPod's functions served as an example to copy from. Simple menu and ergonomy adapted for left and right-handed was predicted. It felt as if it was made of heavy Play-Doh with LCD screen.", "title": "Detailed Specifications of the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 9, 42 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "prototype , remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager; had the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel; they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles; and a spongy feel. So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype; they wanted limited buttons and simplicity; looking at other devices; the iPod; also had the kid's remote for a simple idea; speech recognition; still decided not to go with that; components the materials for the case, the different energy sources, the different types of chips; prototype discussion; banana; basically we went with the colour yellow; the principle of a fruit which was mentioned; it's basically designed around a banana; it would be held in such a fashion; it wouldn't be that floppy because this would be hard plastic. These would be like the rubber, the rubber grips; controlling would be done with this scroll wheel; the simplest functions would be almost identical to an iPod; Volume up and down; access the more complicated functions; press that and go through the menus; a simple on and off switch; use the voice; Plastic covered with rubber; add some more underneath here; give it a form; supposed to hold it like that; just if you grab it, take it from somewhere; work left-handed or right-handed I suppose; actual thing might be smaller; a quick on-off button; it's flimsy because it's made out of heavy Play-Doh.", "title": "Specificity of the Remote's Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 9, 42 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "iPod , channels", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Both Project Manager and User Interface mentioned during the prototype model presentation that the idea of an iPod was appreciated. The iPod inspired the team to implement simplicity and limited buttons. Hence the remote control prototype had functions that were very similar to iPod, meaning that surfing through the television channels was simplified for the remote control's user. Simplicity of volume up and down was available and in case a user needed an access to other function, then pressing a button and going through the menu would do the trick.", "title": "Ipod Functions as an Inspiration for New Remote Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 15 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "iPod , channels", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager while discussing remote control prototype admitted the team had a soft spot for ipod's functions. It was said that the team really liked the look of that. User Interface added that the simplest functions would be almost identical to an iPod's, where that one way going through the channels was simple and to access more complicated functions one pressed that and went through the menus. Simple switch on and off button was inspired on iPod.", "title": "Ipod like Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 15 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Yep . Soon as I get this . Okay . This is our last meeting . Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting . Uh and then we'll have a , the prototype presentation . {vocalsound} Um then we will um do an evaluation . Uh or we'll see what , what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation . Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget . Um then we'll do the evaluation , and then we can finish up after that with um any changes that we'll need to make , or hopefully everything will fall right in line . Um let's see , minutes from the last meeting . Um we looked at uh the the trends . We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel . It was twice as important as anything else . Um they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles . Um and a spongy feel . So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype . Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity . Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote . Um looking at other other devices . Um the iPod , we really liked the look of that . Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea . Um a two part remote , which was what were were originally looking at . Uh and then um there was talk of spee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use . But I think we've still decided not to go with that . {vocalsound} Then we looked at the components um the materials for the case , the different energy sources , the different types of chips , um and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote . Um and basically how , what were making for the prototype . So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over .", "User Interface : The prototype discussion .", "Project Manager : The prototype yeah . Do you need a {disfmarker} this ?", "User Interface : No . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Can try to plug that in there", "User Interface : There is our remo {gap} the banana .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Um {vocalsound} yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow . Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic . These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips . So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it . Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel . You have to use your imagination a little bit . And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through .", "Project Manager : Very nice .", "User Interface : And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels . Volume up and down . And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus . It's that that simple . That just represents the infrared uh beam . That's a simple on and off switch . Um I don't know , we could use the voice . T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose . And um {vocalsound} that's about it . It's as simple as you , we could make it really .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "User Interface : Is there anything you want to add ?", "Industrial Designer : That's what we have there . That's plastic . Plastic covered with rubber . We might uh add some more underneath here . Maybe give it , give it a form . I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so {disfmarker} yeah ,", "User Interface : Doesn't make much make much difference .", "Industrial Designer : you have some rub yeah .", "User Interface : You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly , {gap} use both . Might as well think about {disfmarker}", "User Interface : T the actual thing might be smaller .", "Industrial Designer : Th think about the button as well . Like either put either one {gap} one on either side or", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : What but what's that button ?", "Industrial Designer : not do it at all . It's a quick on-off button .", "User Interface : Just the on and off .", "Project Manager : Uh , 'kay .", "Industrial Designer : That's um", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : yeah I think it's pretty important . So you don't have to fiddle with that .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : Right ? Um that's not um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice . You wanna play with that over there .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : There you go .", "User Interface : It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Would you like to uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "User Interface : but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Pretty impressive .", "Project Manager : Well done .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Kind of a banana .", "User Interface : And whether or not it would fall into the cost {gap} everything I suppose . With the scroll and the L_C_D_ .", "Project Manager : Well luckily we are going to find out . Or not luckily . Um do you have a marketing presentation for us .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 12, "turns": [ 40, 203 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "task data", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D observed when the network was trained on task data, it worked well. They trained task data or broad data. PhD D said they did four kinds of testing.", "title": "PhD D Explanation on Task Data", "relevant_turns": [ 5, 22, 26, 28, 42 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "task data", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D observed when the network was trained the tandem worked well. But they didn't train the network on both data phonetically balanced data and task data. The second test was trained with a broad database.", "title": "Task Data Training", "relevant_turns": [ 5, 22, 26, 28, 42 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "PLP", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said for PLP with JRASTA tendency was the same.", "title": "PLP Explained by PhD D", "relevant_turns": [ 159 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "PLP", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D; For the PLP with JRASTA, This is quite the same tendency, with a slight increase of the error rate.", "title": "PLP Performance", "relevant_turns": [ 159 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "baseline aurora", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B noticed that by comparing everything to the first case at the baseline, then one got one point one for using the same language but a different task, and something like one point three for three languages broad stuff.", "title": "Professor B's Baseline Notes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 79, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "baseline aurora", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B noticed that one compared everything to the first case at the baseline, then one got one point for using the same language, but a different task. However one got something like one point three for three languages broad stuff. And later he was corrected by PhD D the figure for the same language should be O point eight.", "title": "Professor B's Talking about Base Aurora", "relevant_turns": [ [ 79, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said the focus was on English and Italian. Several neutral networks got trained on the TI - digits English and then on the Italian data and on the broad English, French and Spanish databases. For TI - digits for instance, when having gone from TI - digits training to TIMIT training around ten percent was lost.", "title": "PhD D Talks about Digits", "relevant_turns": [ 5, [ 36, 42 ], [ 60, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said neutral networks got trained on the TI - digits other language databases. For TI - digits, when having gone from TI - digits training to TIMIT training around ten percent was lost.", "title": "PhD D Talks Digits in Language Context", "relevant_turns": [ 5, [ 36, 42 ], [ 60, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "italian", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said the focus was on the Italian. They trained several neural networks on Italian data. Italian testing was on the Italian speech. The second test for Italian was on Spanish data which was assumed to be close to Italian.", "title": "Italian Data Test Explained by PhD D", "relevant_turns": [ 5, 42, 44 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "italian", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "We've had trained neural networks on Italian data; we did four kinds of testing; Italian The second test was trained on a single language speech.", "title": "PhD D Talking about Italian Data", "relevant_turns": [ 5, [ 42, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor B ; topic : broad" }, "summary": "Professor B wondered how much worse it was with broad data. If trained on one language and tested on another then the results were poor. But when trained on one language but with broad coverage and then tested in another, did that result improve? If compared everything to the first case at the baseline, results changed by two times, provided they included the broad data.", "title": "Considering the Broad Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 35 ], [ 78, 83 ], [ 137, 148 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor B ; topic : broad" }, "summary": "Professor B noticed If trained on one language and tested on another then the results were poor. But when trained on one language but with broad coverage and then tested in another, results changed, provided they included the broad data.", "title": "Broad Data According to Professor B", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 35 ], [ 78, 83 ], [ 137, 148 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : Yes , OK . OK . So uh {pause} I also copied uh the results that we all got in the mail I think from uh {disfmarker} {pause} from OGI and we 'll go {disfmarker} go through them also . So where are we on {disfmarker} {pause} on uh {vocalsound} {pause} our runs ?", "PhD D : Uh so . {pause} uh {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} So {pause} As I was already said , we {disfmarker} we mainly focused on uh four kind of features .", "Professor B : Excuse me .", "PhD D : The PLP , the PLP with JRASTA , the MSG , and the MFCC from the baseline Aurora .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Uh , and we focused for the {disfmarker} the test part on the English and the Italian . Um . We 've trained uh several neural networks on {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} on the TI - digits English {pause} and on the Italian data and also on the broad uh {pause} English uh French and uh Spanish databases . Mmm , so there 's our result tables here , for the tandem approach , and um , actually what we {disfmarker} we @ @ observed is that if the network is trained on the task data it works pretty well .", "Professor B : OK . Our {disfmarker} our uh {disfmarker} {pause} There 's a {disfmarker} {pause} We 're pausing for a photo {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Chicken on the grill . Try that corner .", "PhD A : How about over th from the front of the room ?", "PhD C : Yeah , it 's longer .", "Professor B : We 're pausing for a photo opportunity here . Uh . {vocalsound} Uh . So .", "Grad F : Oh wait wait wait wait wait . Wait .", "PhD C : Get out of the {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad F : Hold on . Hold on .", "Professor B : OK .", "Grad F : Let me give you a black screen .", "Professor B : He 's facing this way . What ? OK , this {disfmarker} this would be a {pause} good section for our silence detection .", "Grad F : OK .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um Oh .", "Grad F : Musical chairs everybody !", "Professor B : OK . So um , {pause} you were saying {pause} about the training data {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah , so if the network is trained on the task data um {pause} tandem works pretty well . And uh actually we have uh , results are similar Only on ,", "PhD A : Do you mean if it 's trained only on {disfmarker} On data from just that task ,", "PhD D : yeah .", "PhD A : that language ?", "PhD D : Just that task . But actually we didn't train network on {pause} uh both types of data I mean {pause} uh {pause} phonetically ba phonetically balanced uh data and task data .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "PhD D : We only did either task {disfmarker} task data or {pause} uh broad {pause} data .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Um {pause} Yeah . So ,", "Professor B : So how {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} clearly it 's gonna be good then", "PhD A : So what 's th", "Professor B : but the question is how much {pause} worse is it {pause} if you have broad data ? I mean , {pause} my assump From what I saw from the earlier results , uh I guess last week , {pause} was that um , {pause} if you {pause} trained on one language and tested on another , say , that {pause} the results were {disfmarker} were relatively poor .", "PhD D : Mmm . Yeah .", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} but the question is if you train on one language {pause} but you have a broad coverage {pause} and then test in another , {pause} does that {disfmarker} {pause} is that improve things {pause} i c in comparison ?", "PhD D : If we use the same language ?", "Professor B : No , no , no . Different lang So {pause} um {pause} If you train on TI - digits {pause} and test on Italian digits , {pause} you do poorly , {pause} let 's say .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I don't have the numbers in front of me ,", "PhD D : But {disfmarker} Yeah but I did not uh do that .", "Professor B : so I 'm just imagining . E So , you didn't train on {pause} TIMIT and test on {disfmarker} {pause} on Italian digits , say ?", "PhD D : We {disfmarker} No , we did four {disfmarker} four kind of {disfmarker} of testing , actually . The first testing is {pause} with task data {disfmarker} So , with nets trained on task data . So for Italian on the Italian speech @ @ . The second test is trained on a single language um with broad database , but the same language as the t task data .", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD D : But for Italian we choose Spanish which {pause} we assume is close to Italian . The third test is by using , um the three language database", "Professor B : W which in {disfmarker}", "PhD D : and the fourth is", "Professor B : It has three languages . That 's including the w the {disfmarker} {pause} the {disfmarker}", "PhD D : This includes {disfmarker}", "Professor B : the one that it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : In", "PhD D : But {pause} not digits . I mean it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : The three languages {pause} is not digits ,", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD A : it 's the broad {pause} data . OK .", "PhD D : Yeah And the fourth test is uh {pause} excluding from these three languages the language {pause} that is {pause} the task language .", "Professor B : Oh , OK , yeah , so , that is what I wanted to know .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : I just wasn't saying it very well , I guess .", "PhD D : Uh , yeah . So um {pause} for uh TI - digits for ins example {pause} uh when we go from TI - digits training to {pause} TIMIT training {pause} uh we lose {pause} uh around ten percent , uh . The error rate increase u of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of ten percent , relative .", "Professor B : Relative . Right .", "PhD D : So this is not so bad . And then when we jump to the multilingual data it 's uh it become worse and , well Around uh , let 's say , {pause} twenty perc twenty percent further .", "Professor B : Ab - about how much ?", "PhD D : So . Yeah .", "Professor B : Twenty percent further ?", "PhD D : Twenty to {disfmarker} to thirty percent further . Yeah .", "PhD A : And so , remind me , the multilingual stuff is just the broad data . Right ? It 's not the digits .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : So it 's the combination of {pause} two things there . It 's {pause} removing the {pause} task specific {pause} training and {pause} it 's adding other languages .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD D : But the first step is al already removing the task s specific from {disfmarker} from {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Already , right right right .", "PhD D : So .", "PhD A : So they were sort of building {pause} here ?", "PhD D : And we lose {disfmarker}", "PhD A : OK ?", "PhD D : Yeah . Uh {pause} So , basically when it 's trained on the {disfmarker} the multilingual broad data {pause} um or number {disfmarker} so , the {disfmarker} the {pause} ratio of our error rates uh with the {pause} baseline error rate is around {pause} uh one point one .", "Professor B : Yes . {vocalsound} And it 's something like one point three of {disfmarker} of the {pause} uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So .", "Professor B : I i if you compare everything to the first case at the baseline , you get something like one point one for the {disfmarker} for the using the same language but a different task , and something like one point three {pause} for three {disfmarker} three languages {pause} broad stuff .", "PhD D : No no no . Uh same language we are at uh {disfmarker} for at English at O point eight . So it improves , {pause} compared to the baseline . But {disfmarker} So . Le - let me .", "Professor B : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry .", "PhD D : Tas - task data", "Professor B : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I meant something different by baseline", "PhD D : we are u Yeah .", "Professor B : So let me {disfmarker} let me {disfmarker} Um , {pause} so , {pause} um {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : OK , fine . Let 's {disfmarker} let 's use the conventional meaning of baseline .", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor B : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} By baseline here I meant {pause} uh using the task specific data .", "PhD D : Oh yeah , the f Yeah , OK .", "Professor B : But uh {disfmarker} {pause} uh , because that 's what you were just doing with this ten percent .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : So I was just {disfmarker} I just trying to understand that .", "PhD D : Yeah . Sure .", "Professor B : So if we call {pause} a factor of w just one , just normalized to one , the word error rate {pause} that you have {pause} for using TI - digits as {disfmarker} as {pause} training and TI - digits as test ,", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : uh different words , I 'm sure ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : but {disfmarker} {pause} but uh , uh the same {pause} task and so on .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : If we call that \" one \" , {pause} then what you 're saying is {pause} that the word error rate {pause} for the same language but using {pause} uh different training data than you 're testing on , say TIMIT and so forth , {pause} it 's one point one .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Yeah , it 's around one point one .", "Professor B : Right . And if it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : you {pause} do {pause} go to {pause} three languages including the English , {pause} it 's something like one point three . That 's what you were just saying , I think .", "PhD D : Ye Uh , more actually .", "PhD A : One point four ?", "PhD D : If I {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD A : So , it 's an additional thirty percent .", "PhD D : What would you say ? Around one point four", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD D : yeah .", "Professor B : And if you exclude {pause} English , {pause} from this combination , what 's that ?", "PhD D : If we exclude English , {pause} um {pause} there is {pause} not much difference with the {pause} data with English .", "Professor B : Aha !", "PhD D : So . Yeah .", "Professor B : That 's interesting . {pause} That 's interesting . Do you see ? Because {disfmarker} Uh ,", "PhD D : Uh .", "Professor B : so {disfmarker} No , that {disfmarker} that 's important . So what {disfmarker} what it 's saying here is just that \" yes , there is a reduction {pause} in performance , {pause} when you don't {pause} um {pause} have the s {pause} when you don't have {pause} um", "PhD A : Task data .", "Professor B : Wait a minute , th th the {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor B : No , actually {pause} it 's interesting . So it 's {disfmarker} So when you go to a different task , there 's actually not so {pause} different . It 's when you went to these {disfmarker} So what 's the difference between two and three ? Between the one point one case and the one point four case ? I 'm confused .", "PhD A : It 's multilingual .", "PhD D : Yeah . The only difference it 's {disfmarker} is that it 's multilingual {disfmarker} Um", "Professor B : Cuz in both {disfmarker} in both {disfmarker} both of those cases , you don't have the same task .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah sure .", "Professor B : So is {disfmarker} is the training data for the {disfmarker} for this one point four case {disfmarker} does it include the training data for the one point one case ?", "PhD D : Uh yeah .", "Grad F : Yeah , a fraction of it .", "PhD D : A part of it , yeah .", "Professor B : How m how much bigger is it ?", "PhD D : Um {pause} It 's two times ,", "Grad F : Yeah , um .", "PhD D : actually ? Yeah . Um . The English data {disfmarker} {pause} No , the multilingual databases are two times the {pause} broad English {pause} data . We just wanted to keep this , w well , not too huge . So .", "Professor B : So it 's two times , but it includes the {disfmarker} but it includes the broad English data .", "PhD D : I think so . Do you {disfmarker} Uh , Yeah .", "Professor B : And the broad English data is what you got this one point one {pause} with . So that 's TIMIT basically right ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So it 's band - limited TIMIT . This is all eight kilohertz sampling .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad F : Downs Right .", "Professor B : So you have band - limited TIMIT , {pause} gave you uh almost as good as a result as using TI - digits {pause} on a TI - digits test . OK ?", "PhD D : Hmm ?", "Professor B : Um {pause} and {pause} um But , {pause} when you add in more training data but keep the neural net the same size , {pause} it {pause} um performs worse on the TI - digits . OK , now all of this is {disfmarker} {pause} This is noisy {pause} TI - digits , I assume ? Both training and test ?", "PhD D :", "Professor B : Yeah . OK . Um OK . Well . {pause} We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we may just need to uh {disfmarker} So I mean it 's interesting that h going to a different {disfmarker} different task didn't seem to hurt us that much , and going to a different language um It doesn't seem to matter {disfmarker} The difference between three and four is not particularly great , so that means that {pause} whether you have the language in or not is not such a big deal .", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : It sounds like um {pause} uh {pause} we may need to have more {pause} of uh things that are similar to a target language or {disfmarker} I mean . {pause} You have the same number of parameters in the neural net , you haven't increased the size of the neural net , and maybe there 's just {disfmarker} {pause} just not enough {pause} complexity to it to represent {pause} the variab increased variability in the {disfmarker} in the training set . That {disfmarker} that could be . Um {pause} So , what about {disfmarker} So these are results with {pause} uh th {pause} that you 're describing now , that {pause} they are pretty similar for the different features or {disfmarker} {pause} or uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Uh , let me check . Uh .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : So . This was for the PLP ,", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Um . The {disfmarker} Yeah . For the PLP with JRASTA the {disfmarker} {pause} the {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} This is quite the same {pause} tendency , {pause} with a slight increase of the error rate , {pause} uh if we go to {disfmarker} to TIMIT . And then it 's {disfmarker} it gets worse with the multilingual . Um . Yeah . There {disfmarker} there is a difference actually with {disfmarker} b between PLP and JRASTA is that {pause} JRASTA {pause} seems to {pause} perform better with the highly mismatched {pause} condition {pause} but slightly {disfmarker} slightly worse {pause} for the well matched condition . Mmm .", "Professor B : I have a suggestion , actually , even though it 'll delay us slightly , would {disfmarker} would you mind {pause} running into the other room and making {pause} copies of this ? Cuz we 're all sort of {disfmarker} If we c if we could look at it , while we 're talking , I think it 'd be", "PhD D : Yeah , yeah . OK .", "Professor B : uh {disfmarker} {pause} Uh , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll sing a song or dance or something while you {vocalsound} do it , too .", "PhD A : So um {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 29, "turns": [ 12, 130 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eagle", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that it was some sort of bird. Marketing said that it was the worst yet, it was meant to be an eagle. Industrial Designer said that an eagle. Marketing said that it was a flying animal, an eagle, they were quite free-spirited flying.", "title": "Marketing and Industrial Designer Talking about the Eagle", "relevant_turns": [ 4, [ 84, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "eagle", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that it was some sort of bird. Marketing said that it was their dreadful, the worst, it was meant to be an eagle. Industrial Designer said that an eagle. Marketing said that they were independent it was a flying animal, an eagle, they were quite free-spirited flying.", "title": "Marketing and Industrial Designer Talking about the Eagle", "relevant_turns": [ 4, [ 84, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dog", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if they could tell what it was trying to make. Marketing answered a kind of dog, and User Interface said yes, dogs, they were loyal, and they got intuition.", "title": "Marketing and User Interface Talking about Dogs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dog", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface; guess what I'm trying to make; Marketing; dog; User Interface; very supportive; best friend; talk to a dog; doesn't discriminate; loyal; got intuition; belong to a dog.", "title": "Marketing and User Interface Talking about Dogs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "crocodile", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer changed the drawing, it could be a crocodile. At first, it could be a T-Rex, but it could be a crocodile now.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking about the Crocodile", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 67 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "crocodile", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer changed the drawing because it could be a crocodile. At first, it could be a T-Rex, then sort of changed into a pelican, but it could be a crocodile now.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking about the Crocodile", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 67 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound} Hello everybody .", "User Interface : Hi , good morning .", "Project Manager : Um I'm Sarah , the Project Manager and this is our first meeting , surprisingly enough . Okay , this is our agenda , um {vocalsound} we will do some stuff , get to know each other a bit better to feel more comfortable with each other . Um then we'll go do tool training , talk about the project plan , discuss our own ideas and everything um and we've got twenty five minutes to do that , as far as I can understand . Now , we're developing a remote control which you probably already know . Um , we want it to be original , something that's uh {disfmarker} people haven't thought of , that's not out in the shops , um , trendy , appealing to a wide market , but you know , not a hunk of metal , and user-friendly , grannies to kids , maybe even pooches should be able to use it . Okay , um , first is the functional design , um this is where we all go off and do our individual work , um what needs need to be fulfilled by the product , um what effects the product has to have and how it's actually going to do that . Um , conceptual design , what we're thinking , how it's gonna go and then the detailed design , how we're actually gonna put it into practice and make it work .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Okay , right . We're gonna practice with the pens and draw our favourite animal on the white board , I'll go first , and um sum up the characteristics of that animal .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oops .", "Project Manager : Okay , I'll leave space for everyone else . Um {disfmarker} What's missing ? We're running out of blue . Okay . I'm not gonna ask you to guess , I'm going to tell you that's supposed to be a tiger .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : And I see them as majestic , and independent , and proud .", "User Interface : Oh sorry . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Now , who would like to go next ?", "User Interface : Yeah , me .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {gap} Cat . Where did this come from ?", "Project Manager : Is that your lapel then ?", "User Interface : Uh , yep .", "Project Manager : There you go .", "User Interface : Thank you . Uh , maybe you can guess what I'm trying to make ?", "Marketing : A kind of dog ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yep . It's actually sitting , so {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's sitting down .", "Marketing : Sorry ?", "User Interface : it's sitting , it's not standing .", "Marketing : Uh .", "User Interface : Okay , I see it as one thing it's very supportive . It's your best friend and your {disfmarker} you can talk to a dog , it can be your best friend , it doesn't discriminate between you , based on what you are . Second it's loyal and third thing it's got intuition . {gap} dogs can som sometimes can make out between a thief and a person", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : so basically these are the three unique features I think belong to a dog .", "Project Manager : Okay , thank you .", "User Interface : Thank you .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I'll have a go .", "User Interface : Okay . Sorry .", "Industrial Designer : Thanks .", "Marketing : Please , please leave me a space at the bottom , I'm little ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Alright , okay .", "Marketing : you can get to the top , with standing on a chair .", "Industrial Designer : Well since you guys have chosen the ones I wanted to do , I'll have to have to go for something a bit random .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Does it look like a dog actually ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And also , my drawing skill isn't that great so , yeah .", "Project Manager : Well , as you can see , the quality of the work today is um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : I think it's outstandingly good . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , now I'm gonna have to change what is was originally gonna be", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : because that looks like a beak now , so . {vocalsound} Yeah , it can be a crocodile , it can be a crocodile .", "Marketing : Crocodile ?", "Project Manager : Gonna be a bird . Is it gonna be {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well it was it was an {disfmarker} at first {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} it's gonna be a bird .", "Industrial Designer : firstly it was an attempt at a T_ Rex and then it sort of changed into a pelican", "Marketing : O", "Industrial Designer : but it can be a crocodile now actually {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} That's lovely .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah and uh I'll have to think on the spot of uh things that it is . Um", "Marketing : Beauti that's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : uh scary , uh strong , yeah that's about it I think {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Okay {vocalsound} it's fine .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay . Um , I'm very impressed with your artistic skills ,", "Industrial Designer : Uh uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : mine's {disfmarker} are dreadful . Oops this is now coming apart , let me just put the top in .", "Industrial Designer : Wo {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I hope that clicks in , I'll just {disfmarker} I'll hold it on , okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oops , oh dear , what happened there ?", "Project Manager : Technical help .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : Hopefully that'll stay on , two-handed version .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , uh {disfmarker} Again this is off the top of my head , I was gonna do a big cat too , um .", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Marketing : Oh dear , it doesn't look what like what I want it to be {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : S Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : It's not a vampire bat honestly {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , yeah .", "Marketing : Uh and somewhere there's a body behind .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , some sort of bird {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That's my dreadful {disfmarker} that's the worst yet , that's {disfmarker} it's meant to be an eagle {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : A seagu", "User Interface : Eagle , okay .", "Project Manager : right ,", "Industrial Designer : Ah eagle , right okay .", "Project Manager : not a seagull {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : you can tell it's a flying animal {vocalsound} could have been a seagull , I never thought of a seagull . An eagle , um again I'm thinking on my feet goodness . I suppose they're all so independent , I'd put that one down again . {vocalsound} Da dum um .", "Industrial Designer : They're good at golf .", "Marketing : Indepen independent , right , did you say they're good at golf ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Eagle .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , no yeah ,", "Marketing : Are they ?", "Industrial Designer : an eagle .", "Marketing : Oh . Oh right , okay ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'm not good at golf .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'd say they're quite free-spirited , flying around everywhere , doing their own thing . And uh , birds of prey aren't they ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : oh dear , intrepid . I'll put that , intrepid .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : There we go ,", "Project Manager : That's lovely .", "Marketing : hope that pen's gonna be okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Whoops .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 44, 112 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exterior , look , screen", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about the look of the exterior of the remote control prototype. Industrial Designer, mentioned a plastic body with standard colours underneath the rubberised casing, a wide choice of colours and sort of patterns, a top LCD screen that would be inset into the top of the remote, and said it would fully close flat.", "title": "Industrial Designer Describes the Remote Control Exterior Look", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 6 ], [ 10, 12 ], 17 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exterior , look , screen", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about the look of the exterior of the remote control, saying it would have a plastic body with a standard colour underneath the rubberised casing, a wide choice of colours and patterns. Industrial Designer also said it would have a top LCD screen inset into the top, and that it would fully close flat.", "title": "Industrial Designer Describes the Remote Control Exterior Look", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 6 ], [ 10, 12 ], 17 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "inside , voice recognition system", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer explained the inside of the remote, saying the kinetic batteries could be attached to the flipping open and shut. Also, Industrial Designer mentioned that the voice recognition system could be quite cheap.", "title": "Industrial Designer Describes the Remote Control Inside", "relevant_turns": [ 21, 26 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "inside , voice recognition system", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer explained the inside of the control remote, saying they had decided on the kinetic batteries. Also, Industrial Designer mentioned that the voice recognition system might be quite cheap, so perhaps later there could be a remote that said its exact location.", "title": "Industrial Designer Describes the Remote Control Inside", "relevant_turns": [ 21, 26 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : this is our look and feel presentation , the final {disfmarker} our final presentation .", "Project Manager : Mm 'kay .", "Industrial Designer : And we'll first look at the exterior of what we've uh come up with over there . Um", "User Interface : 'Kay . You able to look {gap} ?", "Industrial Designer : It's gonna have a a plastic body {vocalsound} um with a sort of standard colour , either we're thinking some something fairly neutral like a a white or a light blue or something .", "User Interface : Yep . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : This is underneath the rubberised the rubberised uh outer casing", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : um which there'd be sort of a wide choice {disfmarker} they would be attached , but we can we can come up with that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Um the um wide choice of colours and sort of patterns , so you've got you've got a lot of customisation with it . Um {vocalsound} it's obviously an a sort of clam-shell design {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : and uh {vocalsound} the um the top L_C_D_ screen that you can see that would b would be sort of um {vocalsound} how do you say , it's {disfmarker} yeah yeah , it would be sort of inset into the into the top", "User Interface : The black and white touch screen wherein people can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm . So it's flush .", "Industrial Designer : and the buttons at the bottom would d", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : so so it'll fully close flat .", "Project Manager : Oh right , okay , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : {gap} {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And working on the inside we've um already said {disfmarker} d decided on the kinetic batteries , which {disfmarker} actually , thinking about it now , could y could also probably attach to the flipping open and shut as well , so that you could probably get a bit of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So put it in the top section rather than the bottom sections ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : 'cause it's the top part that's {disfmarker} okay .", "Industrial Designer : Um we decided that um the voice recognition system , it did actually say on the email that they were sort of coming in {vocalsound} and they were fairly easy to get a-hold of , so we presumed that they'd also be quite cheap . So you'd have something like where you'd shout out , where where is the remote and it'll shout back , I'm here , or something .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Or something . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And then {disfmarker} yeah . It wo it won't shout out I'm here or something . It'll just shout out I'm here , or something to similar effect .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : I'm under the sofa .", "User Interface : Ah oka", "Project Manager : Or , that would be too complicated .", "Industrial Designer : Uh yeah , if it was going like I d well tha that could be something for next time , maybe . You can have a remote that tells you exactly where it is . Um the standard , there's {disfmarker} be a standard transmission with the T_V_ using using all the standard chips that we've talked about .", "Project Manager : Infrared {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Um it would it would have {disfmarker} obviously 'cause it's split over two two different layers , it would need two separate P_C_B_s , so it would be joined at the hinge through some sort of cabling . {vocalsound} And uh because , obviously , all T_V_s use this , the same infrared medium , we'd just be using using the same thing to transmit the data . And the infrared um sender would be on the {disfmarker} on one of the bot the bottom layer , just at the front of the {disfmarker} we haven't {disfmarker} I don't think we actually put it on .", "Project Manager : Like here .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , something like that .", "User Interface : Infrared could be here also . Yeah , here .", "Project Manager : Okay . Actually , no , it would be {disfmarker} it would have to be on the on the front .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , on the front on the front side of that , yeah .", "User Interface : {gap} . So when it's {disfmarker} even if it's open here , the signals would go {gap} .", "Project Manager : Oh right , yeah , okay , yeah , I've got you . It's still pointing ,", "Industrial Designer : So when you've actually got it open , it would be facing the T_V_ .", "Project Manager : yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that would make sense .", "Industrial Designer : And then finally um on to the interface . {vocalsound} The top screen , as we said , is {disfmarker} would be an inset um black and white L_C_D_ s touch screen", "User Interface : {gap} This one right here .", "Industrial Designer : which {disfmarker} yeah would uh have all of all of the the available functions for for the remote on it , uh whereas the bot the bottom screen would just contain the standard buttons , like the vo volume up and down , channel up and down , power on and off , and uh things to that effect .", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And now we've {disfmarker} we also decided on the inside , we could possibly either have um some some kind of sort of bezzled uh logo on it , or something inset , or maybe an engraving of the logo on the top .", "User Interface : Which is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But not interfering with the outside kind of look of the product", "Industrial Designer : No d not not actually . No , not uh interfering with l the whole look of the the product when it's uh on the thing .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : once it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Look up to it .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And finally that's how we put the fashion back into electronics ,", "Project Manager : Thank you very much .", "Industrial Designer : as that is {disfmarker} that's the company logo {gap} .", "User Interface : Yay .", "Project Manager : Wrapping it all up , okay .", "Marketing : Well done ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 547, 755 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teamwork , interactive", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Did you feel like a team? Was asked, to which Marketing answered that it was so much interaction that they needed to bounce off each other. Marketing added that felt listened to in relevant areas, and the remit was adjusted when it was necessary.", "title": "Team Interaction", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "teamwork , interactive", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "About the question of feeling like a team or not, Marketing said that it was so much interaction that they needed to bounce off each other although they had their separate tasks. Marketing added that felt listened in relevant areas, also felt that all the team gave of itself and took something from everyone, and the remit was given, taken and adjusted when it was necessary.", "title": "Team Interaction", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "idea , remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager made reference to what they showed in the presentation of the other remote controls, and affirmed that no one thought about it particularly. Gave the example of someone asking to make their remote control different from others. Also was agreed that companies didn't think about it, they just focused on selling the consoles. Project Manager also thought that customers would pay a lot extra if it was done individually.", "title": "The Great Idea of Making Remote Controls", "relevant_turns": [ [ 84, 107 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "idea , remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Reference about what they showed in the presentation of the other remote controls was made by Project Manager and affirmed that no one put any great deal of thought into it. Also was agreed that companies didn't think about the appearance of remote controls, they just focused on selling the consoles. Project Manager also thought that customers would pay a lot extra if it was done individually.", "title": "The Great Idea of Making Remote Controls", "relevant_turns": [ [ 84, 107 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teamwork , feedback", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface thought that there was very constructive feedback from everybody. Also said that there was more of true cohesive teamwork that made came to a very predictive creative design.", "title": "Teamwork", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "teamwork , feedback", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface thought that spent a nice time with the team, that there was very constructive feedback from everybody. Also said that there was more of true cohesive teamwork that made came to a very predictive creative design.", "title": "Teamwork", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teamwork , final product", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer felt working as a team, all points that were raised had been sorted out, although voice recognition wasn't added. Industrial Designer thought if they had seen the marketing before initial specification was put out, the final product would have been different.", "title": "The Final Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 19, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teamwork , final product", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that everyone has listened and all the points that were raised had been sorted out. Also thought that if they had seen the marketing before the initial specification was put out, the final product would have been different.", "title": "The Final Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 19, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "production cost , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Did the budget include everything? Was asked by Project Manager, derived from this question said that It was going to be a fifty percent profit of which the overheads would come out, and if it increased also had to increase the price that it was sold at.", "title": "The Budged Include All the Costs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 140, 154 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "production cost , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if it was believed that the budget took into account overheads like us being well paid and the heating for the building. Also mentioned that It was going to be a fifty percent profit of which the overheads would come out, and if it increased, it would also have to increase the price that it's sold at.", "title": "The Budged Include All the Costs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 140, 154 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : I presume we discussed leadership and teamwork .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : um in the sense that um did you feel like a team ? Or did you feel like {vocalsound} uh autonomy ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I'd say , as a team .", "User Interface : I think we had a nice time .", "Marketing : Although we had our separate tasks ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : there was so much interaction , so much that we needed to um bounce off each other .", "Industrial Designer : Find out from each other , yeah .", "Marketing : And I've certainly felt heard , listened to in that in relevant areas we've been able to , you know , give and take and adjust our remit where necessary .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , I think there was uh very constructive feedback by everybody . It's not like people trying to cut each other . There is more of uh true cohesive teamwork . We came to a very predic creative design , yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , and uh {disfmarker} Yeah , I think . And Sarah , you coordinated the work very well .", "Project Manager : Thank you . How did you find it ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , no , I thought it it went really well and I yeah , I I feel that everyone was listened to and all the points that were raised seem to have been sorted out , although we didn't quite make the voice recognition in there , but that's that's good .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think it would have made it into the final product if it was actually {disfmarker} if if if we'd seen the marketing before the initial specification was put out , I think maybe it would've come out a d little different ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : I liked the fact that we could say an idea and it'd be suggested that that wasn't the best idea , but no one felt like shot down ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : you know , y it didn't matter it saying what you thought , because if it wasn't something that was that relevant , then it didn't matter , 'cause it was just another idea in the field . I like that . Um", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : teamwork . Well you two created that wonderful specimen of a Play-Doh model .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , well .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think that was the best part", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} uh I'm still not caught up .", "User Interface : of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} But that's nothing to do with the teamwork at all . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : Maybe we should think of branching out into children's toys and fake mobile phones as a side line . And fake R_C_s .", "Project Manager : Maybe .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : No , that was quite fun . Um {vocalsound} means , whiteboard , digital pens , etcetera , what does that mean ? Any ideas ?", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} Discuss which ones {disfmarker}", "Marketing : How do we evaluate the materials we had for communicating and sharing information ?", "Industrial Designer : yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Could it've been better , was it adequate ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I think I think we probably woulda used the outer email system more , had we actually had had more time and if we'd been separated more .", "Project Manager : Had time to kind of {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah , 'cause we could just sort of say , sorry what did you say about that or what do you think about that , rather than having to email it ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But it was nice having it there . Um like the whole picture of the thing .", "User Interface : Yeah , {gap} moving around the room . {vocalsound} But I think it's good ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : like uh we spent times individually . I never thought of a remote control with a flip top . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think it's new ideas in general ,", "Marketing : It's really borrowing from other areas , it's , you know , bringing things from other areas in ,", "Project Manager : rather than {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : it so it's {disfmarker} I mean nothing is new ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : but it's applying it to a d in a different area .", "Industrial Designer : Vegetables .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} That's mine .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , no . Well", "User Interface : Yeah , it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : they have to come from somewhere , don't they ?", "Marketing : Absolutely , yeah .", "User Interface : The thing is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And as sh as w sorry ,", "User Interface : Yep , sorry ,", "Project Manager : you go .", "User Interface : go on Sarah .", "Project Manager : Um as was shown by {vocalsound} your presentation with all of the other controls , remote controls , no one's thought about it particularly .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I mean they're slightly different , so if someone's been shut in the room and said make ours a bit different from everyone else's , 'cause it's w something we should think about ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : but obviously no one's put any great deal of thought into it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , I do I don't think the the companies are really concerned . They're just like we've got a D_V_D_ player , does anyone remember the remote control ? Can't you get the one that we used for the last one ? Yeah , just jazz it up a bit .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh d they don't really think about it ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : because normally , the remote control isn't the product which they're trying to ship . They're trying to ship the D_V_D_ player , the video player , the T_V_ .", "Marketing : Yeah , the focus isn't on to that , yeah .", "Project Manager : But then when it everything is really smart , and you've just got this big chunk of black thing sitting on your coffee table , it doesn't go ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : I mean if you could have something that's a proper funky thing , a funky item that's individual , individual to you ,", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I mean they could even go into um you go in with an idea and they design it on Photoshop and then they just get it printed on the plastic , you would pray {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : you would pay a lot extra , because it's individually being {disfmarker} a plastic was being made for you .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But people could {gap} have anything that they wanted .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Surprising to me is like uh people give a lot of attention to modifying mobile phones , like a real want to see a new launch or something like that .", "Project Manager : Because of the produ Mm .", "User Interface : And new f television products coming up ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : but nobody giving uh much idea to this . Like Sarah was telling , everything's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think it's really good that this has been very market research based ,", "User Interface : Right .", "Marketing : because {vocalsound} just going back to mobile phones , I mean this is the first change in remote control devices that I can really , you know , say is is obvious and visible . We see it in mobile phones a lot , and tha that's where we've borrowed a lot of our ide our ideas from . There are innovations in that that people don't really want .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I see people wanting a model of the phone they were really happy with , and they can't get it anymore", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and it's innovation for innovation's sake , and I think it's wonderful our company's so R_ and D_ based .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Well , it's innovation for money's sake .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : The the people have to keep buying .", "Marketing : But forcing it onto people ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah . It's things that , you know , they might want to buy the thing they really want .", "Project Manager : And you can't get {disfmarker} you've got your handset that works fine , but you can't get the battery anymore for that type of phone ,", "Marketing : Mm . Mm .", "Project Manager : because the phones have moved on , things like that .", "Marketing : Or there isn't a cover to fit it or whatever ,", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : yeah .", "Project Manager : It's madness . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : See I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : In closing {disfmarker} There we go .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} our costs are below budget with recommendations that they {disfmarker} the budget be increased , but I think {disfmarker} I don't know , d what do you think ? Do you think that's takes into account um overheads like us being well paid kind of a thing ? And the heating for the building , do you think our budget includes everything , all the costs that are going out ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well .", "Marketing : I think it was just the produc uh just the production cost of the phone .", "Industrial Designer : I think that was just the the physical .", "Project Manager : So it looks {disfmarker} well it looks like it's gonna be fifty percent profit , you've still got all of the overheads to come out of that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So maybe increasing it , you would also have to increase the price that it's sold at .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Maybe fifty percent more .", "Project Manager : But I think {disfmarker} but you were saying that that's quite {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I think {disfmarker} yeah I don't {disfmarker} from the market research .", "Marketing : But I think in the remit that we were given , it was very specific . I think we've done what we were required to do ,", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Marketing : and I think there'll have to be another project team or a new project for us to look at at those kind of things . I don't think that's something we have to look at and find a way of raising the cash for .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No . Yeah , it was {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think we've done very well to get within budget", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : and it still makes such an innovative item", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : that I think people are really gonna want .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's a shame it won't ever get made . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I know .", "User Interface : Who knows ?", "Project Manager : Maybe it will .", "Marketing : Maybe it will . Maybe they are gonna steal our ideas", "Project Manager : Maybe someone'll r run down and patent it .", "Industrial Designer : I it's top secret . Um it's it is it's a conspiracy going on here . That's what it is .", "Marketing : and sell it . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um the project has been evaluated well and truly .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um and we've got the meeting survey and questionnaire .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : There's a final questionnaire .", "Project Manager : Oh , so we've got about fifty minutes to catch up with {vocalsound} {vocalsound} everything that I fell behind with ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} In your {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so I'll be delegating in my um role as Project Supervisor ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so good luck .", "User Interface : Celebration , you didn't talk about that .", "Project Manager : I think the celebration is the twenty five pounds .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Either that or we'll be dancing on the desks .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Marketing : Questionnaire .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Is that it then ?", "Project Manager : Um yeah , just the last , I think .", "Industrial Designer : Awesome .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think I've got minutes for two of the meeting and the last thingy .", "Marketing : Questionnaire done . Oh , I didn't have to rate you on how much you influenced the meeting this time .", "Industrial Designer : Was that not the questionnaire for the {disfmarker} how you felt you'd done in your thing ?", "Marketing : Oh , right .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think .", "Marketing : But do we not sometimes evaluate in these meetings too ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , the the s", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah . I think {disfmarker} yeah , questionnaire seven was the one I did just before the meeting .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : I just got con" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 23, "turns": [ 941, 1324 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD F , Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD F said that the results from order of magnitude were like from ten percent to eight percent or from one percent to point eight percent. Grad E added that it was a twenty percent relative gain.", "title": "Percent of Digits Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD F , Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD F said that a colleague at SRI developed an improved version of MMIE training and it got impressive results from the tested digits with the order of magnitude from ten percent to eight percent or from one percent to point eight percent which meant it got better. Grad E said that was a twenty percent relative gain.", "title": "Percent of Digits Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "representation", "speaker": "PhD A , Postdoc C" }, "summary": "PhD A said that there were cases where wrong person speech was attached to wrong speaker. Postdoc C suggested on using that representation for data entry.", "title": "Using Representation for Data Entry", "relevant_turns": [ [ 131, 140 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "representation", "speaker": "PhD A , Postdoc C" }, "summary": "PhD A said that there were some cases like where the wrong person speech was attached to the wrong speaker and you could tell that when it was run and they were from the early transcriptions that people did on the mixed signals. Postdoc C said that It also raised the possibility of using that kind of representation and using that representation for data entry and then displaying it on the channelized representation.", "title": "Using Representation for Data Entry", "relevant_turns": [ [ 131, 140 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "chocolate", "speaker": "PhD H , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD H would bring chocolate and said that it was enough for more people. PhD A suggested that they have to write down the chocolate they were eating.", "title": "Different Chocolate Adaptation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 186, 198 ], [ 213, 220 ], [ 276, 297 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "chocolate", "speaker": "PhD H , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD H would bring chocolate for the group and asked what time they preferred to eat during or after coffee break and added that the chocolate was enough for more people. PhD A suggested they have to write down the chocolate they would be eating because they made different sounds like nuts chocolate with nuts, chocolate without nuts. Adding that it was a different kind of speech looking at the chocolates and deciding.", "title": "Different Chocolate Adaptation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 186, 198 ], [ 213, 220 ], [ 276, 297 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fault", "speaker": "PhD F , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD F said that another good thing about alignment was that it was not always the machine's fault if it didn't work and the problem could be found like maybe problems with the transcripts and go back and fix them. PhD A said that the machine's fault was as a result of the person's fault and suggested that it was Morgan's fault.", "title": "Causes of Alignment Fault", "relevant_turns": [ [ 119, 140 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fault", "speaker": "PhD F , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD F; the other good thing about the alignments is that, it's not always the machine's fault if it doesn't work; PhD A; It's the person's fault.", "title": "Causes of Alignment Fault", "relevant_turns": [ [ 119, 140 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "background", "speaker": "PhD A , Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD A suggested that they could digits while other people were eating so that it could be background crunching since they didn't have any background chewing or any data with background eating. Grad E said that the rest of the digits were very clean without a lot of background noise.", "title": "Additional Background Noise", "relevant_turns": [ [ 251, 284 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "background", "speaker": "PhD A , Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD A said they didn't have data with background eating. Grad E said the rest digits had no background noise.", "title": "Additional Background Noise", "relevant_turns": [ [ 251, 284 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "months", "speaker": "PhD H , Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD H said that six was not enough to do the research. Grad E suggested maybe a year was better.", "title": "Preferred Months to Do Research", "relevant_turns": [ [ 168, 186 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "months", "speaker": "PhD H , Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD H said sorry about the results of overlapping because they were not good results and would continue to work on the results in the following months while in Spain and PhD H said that the six months were not enough to do the research because the topics were so difficult but would try to recommend the Spanish government to have spent time there and have more time to work on the topic. 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PhD F suggested maybe the meeting should not be whole day because it would be a different kind of meeting.", "title": "Proposed Meeting Arrangements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 34 ], [ 54, 68 ], [ 92, 112 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "groupings", "speaker": "Postdoc C , PhD A" }, "summary": "Postdoc C said that the groupings were important and they were supposed to pause between the groupings. PhD A agreed it was good for groupings not to be synchronized adding that they'll give everybody the same sheet but say it differently.", "title": "Criteria of the Groupings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 338, 350 ], [ 354, 369 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "groupings", "speaker": "Postdoc C , PhD A" }, "summary": "Postdoc C said the groupings were important. PhD A agreed to that.", "title": "Criteria of the Groupings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 338, 350 ], [ 354, 369 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B suggested that they read the digits and that they were gonna do digits at the same time. PhD A said they could do digits while other people eat.", "title": "Reading of the Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 204, 239 ], [ 253, 261 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B; unless somebody has something else; we'll read our digits; and we'll get our last bit of, uh, Jose's Jose's digit; we're gonna do digits at the same; Synchronized digits; PhD A; We could do digits while other people eat; So it's background crunching; We don't have background chewing; we'll give everybody the same sheet; but they say different; Well, different digits; but same groupings.", "title": "Reading of the Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 204, 239 ], [ 253, 261 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : Yeah . And the Aurora folks here will {disfmarker} will definitely get something in on Aurora ,", "PhD D : which is not {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Actually this {disfmarker} this , um {disfmarker} So , there 's another paper .", "Professor B : so .", "PhD F : It 's a Eurospeech paper but not related to meetings . But it 's on digits . So , um , uh , a colleague at SRI developed a improved version of MMIE training .", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD F : And he tested it mostly on digits because it 's sort of a {disfmarker} you know , it doesn't take weeks to train it .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD F : Um . And got some very impressive results , um , with , you know , discriminative , uh , Gaussian training . Um , you know , like , um , error rates {pause} go from {disfmarker} I don't know , in very noisy environment , like from , uh , uh {disfmarker} I for now I {disfmarker} OK , now I have the order of magnit I 'm not sure about the order of magnitude . Was it like from ten percent to {vocalsound} eight percent or from e e you know , point {disfmarker} you know , from one percent to point eight percent ?", "Professor B : H i it got {disfmarker} it got better .", "PhD F : I mean , it 's a {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD F : It got better . That 's the important thing .", "Grad E : Hey , that 's the same percent relative ,", "PhD F : Yeah . But it 's {disfmarker}", "Grad E : so {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah . Right .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD F : It 's , uh , something in {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : Twenty percent relative gain .", "PhD F : Right .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah . Um , {vocalsound} let 's see . I think the only thing we had left was {disfmarker} unless somebody else {disfmarker} Well , there 's a couple things . Uh , one is {pause} anything that , um , {vocalsound} anybody has to say about Saturday ? Anything we should do in prep for Saturday ? Um {disfmarker} I guess everybody knows about {disfmarker} I mean , u um , Mari was asking {disfmarker} was trying to come up with something like an agenda and we 're sort of fitting around people 's times a bit . But , um , {vocalsound} clearly when we actually get here we 'll {pause} move things around this , as we need to , but {disfmarker} so you can't absolutely count on it .", "PhD D : OK .", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Are we meeting in here probably or {disfmarker} ? OK .", "Professor B : Yeah . That was my thought .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : I think this is {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Are we recording it ?", "PhD A : We won't have enough microphones ,", "Professor B :", "PhD A : but {disfmarker}", "Professor B : u No . I {disfmarker} I hadn't in intended to .", "PhD A : There 's no way .", "Professor B : We won we wanna {disfmarker} I mean , they 're {disfmarker} there 's gonna be , uh , Jeff , Katrin , Mari and two students .", "PhD F : OK .", "Professor B : So there 's five {pause} from there .", "Grad E : And Brian .", "Professor B : And Brian 's coming ,", "PhD F : But you know th", "Professor B : so that 's six .", "Grad E : And plus all of us .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Can use the Oprah mike .", "PhD A : Depends how fast you can {pause} throw it .", "Grad E : It seems like too many {disfmarker} too much coming and going .", "PhD A : It 's just {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : We don't even have enough channel {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Because it would be a different kind of meeting ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD F : that 's what I 'm {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD F : But {disfmarker}", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Professor B : I hadn't {pause} really thought of it ,", "PhD F : Maybe just {disfmarker} maybe not the whole day", "Professor B : but {disfmarker}", "PhD F : but just , you know , maybe some {disfmarker} I mean ,", "Professor B : Maybe part of it .", "PhD F : part of it ?", "Professor B : Maybe part of it .", "Grad E : Make everyone read digits .", "Professor B : At the same time .", "PhD A : At the same time .", "Grad E : At the same time .", "PhD F : Please .", "PhD H :", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : We c", "Professor B : I don't know .", "PhD A : That 's their initiation into our", "Professor B : Any", "PhD A : w", "Grad E : Into our {disfmarker} our {disfmarker} our cult .", "PhD A : Yeah , our {disfmarker} Yeah , our {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Maybe the sections that are not right afte you know , after lunch when everybody 's still munching and {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So can you send out a schedule once you know it , jus ?", "Professor B : OK . Well {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Is {disfmarker} is there a r ?", "Professor B : OK . Yeah . I guess I sent it around a little bit .", "PhD A : There 's a res Is it changed now , or {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} I hadn't heard back from Mari after I {disfmarker} I u u uh , brought up the point abou about Andreas 's schedule . So , {vocalsound} um , maybe when I get back there 'll be {pause} some {disfmarker} some mail from her .", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : So , I 'll make a {disfmarker}", "Postdoc C : I 'm looking forward to seeing your representation . That 'd be , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : And w we should get {pause} the two meetings from y", "Postdoc C : I 'd like to see that . Yeah .", "PhD A : I mean , I know about the first meeting , um , but the other one that you did , the NSA one , which we {pause} hadn't done cuz we weren't running recognition on it , because the non - native speaker {disfmarker}", "Postdoc C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : there were five non - native speakers .", "Postdoc C : Mm - hmm . I see . Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : But , it would be useful for the {disfmarker} to see what we get {pause} with that one . So .", "Postdoc C : Great . OK . It 's , uh , two thousand eleven twenty - one one thousand .", "PhD A : Yeah , three . Right . So {disfmarker}", "Postdoc C : Great . I sent email when I finished the {disfmarker} that one .", "PhD A : N S A three , I think .", "Postdoc C : That was sort of son Yeah , that 's right . That 's right . That 's much simpler .", "PhD A : I don't know what they said but I know the number .", "Professor B : Th - that part 's definitely gonna confuse somebody who looks at these later .", "PhD F : Right .", "Professor B : I mean , this is {disfmarker} we we 're recording secret NSA meetings ?", "PhD F : Um . Not the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : I mean , it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Postdoc C : Yeah . Not that NSA .", "PhD F : Uh . The {disfmarker} th the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : They are hard to understand .", "Professor B : It 's network services and applications .", "PhD F : Wait .", "PhD A : They 're very , uh , out there .", "PhD F : The {disfmarker}", "PhD A : I have no idea what they 're talking about .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD F : The , um {disfmarker} th the other good thing about the alignments is that , um , it 's not always the machine 's fault if it doesn't work . So , you can actually find , um ,", "PhD A : It 's the person 's fault .", "PhD F : problem {disfmarker} uh , proble", "PhD A : It 's Morgan 's fault .", "PhD F : You can find {disfmarker}", "Professor B : It 's always Morgan 's fault .", "PhD F : You can find , uh , problems with {disfmarker} with the transcripts , um , you know ,", "Grad E : Oh .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD F : and go back and fix them .", "PhD A : Tha - There are some cases like where the {disfmarker} the wrong speaker {disfmarker} uh , these ca Not a lot , but where the {disfmarker} the wrong person {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the speech is addre attached to the wrong speaker", "PhD F : But {disfmarker}", "PhD A : and you can tell that when you run it . Or at least you can get {pause} clues to it .", "Postdoc C : Interesting .", "PhD A : So these are from the early transcriptions that people did on the mixed signals , like what you have .", "Postdoc C : I guess it does w Mm - hmm . It also raises the possibility of , um , using that kind of representation {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know , this 'd be something we 'd wanna check , {comment} but maybe using that representation for data entry and then displaying it on the channelized , uh , representation , cuz it {disfmarker} I think that the {disfmarker} I mean , my {disfmarker} my preference in terms of , like , looking at the data is to see it {pause} in this kind of musical score format .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc C : And also , s you know , Sue 's preference as well .", "PhD A : Yeah , if you can get it to {disfmarker}", "Postdoc C : And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} but , I mean , this {disfmarker} if this is a better interface for making these kinds of , uh , you know , lo clos local changes , then that 'd be fine , too . I don't {disfmarker} I have no idea . I think this is something that would need to be checked . Yeah .", "Professor B : OK . Th - the other thing I had actually was , I {disfmarker} I didn't realize this till today , but , uh , this is , uh , Jose 's last day .", "Grad E : Yeah .", "PhD H : Is my last {disfmarker} my last day .", "PhD A : Oh !", "Postdoc C : Oh .", "PhD F : Oh !", "Grad E : You 're not gonna be here tomorrow ?", "PhD H : My {disfmarker} {vocalsound} my last meeting {pause} about meetings .", "Grad E : Oh , that 's right . Tomorrow {disfmarker}", "PhD H : Yeah .", "PhD D : The last meeting meeting ?", "PhD H : Because , eh , I leave , eh , the next Sunday .", "Grad E : It 's off .", "PhD A : Oh .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD H : I will come back to home {disfmarker} to Spain .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Oh .", "Professor B : I d so I {disfmarker} I jus", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD H : And I {disfmarker} I would like to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to say thank you very much , eh , to all people {pause} in the group and at ICSI ,", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : Yeah . It was good having you .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD H : because I {disfmarker} I enjoyed @ @ very much ,", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD H : uh . And I 'm sorry by the result of overlapping , because , eh , {vocalsound} I haven't good results , eh , yet but , eh , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I pretend {comment} to {disfmarker} to continuing out to Spain , eh , during the {disfmarker} the following months ,", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD H : eh , because I have , eh , another ideas but , eh , I haven't enough time to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with six months it 's not enough to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to research ,", "Grad E : Yep .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD H : eh , and e i I mean , if , eh , the topic is , eh , so difficult , uh , in my opinion , there isn't {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . Maybe somebody else will come along and will be , uh , interested in working on it and could start off from where you are also , you know . They 'd make use of {disfmarker} of what you 've done .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD H : Yeah . But , eh , I {disfmarker} I will try to recommend , eh , at , eh , {vocalsound} the Spanish government but , eh , the following @ @ scholarship , eh , eh , {vocalsound} eh , will be here {pause} more time , because eh , i in my opinion is {disfmarker} is better , {vocalsound} eh , for us {pause} to {disfmarker} to spend more time here and to work more time i i in a topic .", "Professor B : Yeah , it 's a very short time .", "PhD H : No ? But , uh {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah .", "Grad E : Yeah , six months is hard .", "PhD H : Yeah . It is .", "Grad E : I think a year is a lot better .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD H : It 's difficult . You {disfmarker} e you have , eh {disfmarker} you are lucky , and you {disfmarker} you find a solution {comment} in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in some few tim uh , months , eh ? OK . But , eh , I think it 's not , eh , common . But , eh , anyway , thank you . Thank you very much . Eh , I {disfmarker} I bring the chocolate , eh , to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} to tear , uh , with {disfmarker} with you ,", "PhD A : Oh .", "Postdoc C : Ah .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Postdoc C : Nice .", "PhD H : uh . I {disfmarker} I hope if you need , eh , something , eh , from us in the future , I {disfmarker} I will be at Spain , {vocalsound} to you help , uh .", "Professor B : Well .", "Grad E : Great .", "Postdoc C : Great .", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : Thank you , Jose .", "Postdoc C : Thank you .", "PhD H : And , thank you very much .", "PhD F : Have a good trip .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Postdoc C : Yeah .", "PhD F : Keep in touch .", "PhD H : Thank you .", "Professor B : Yeah . OK . I guess , uh , unless somebody has something else , we 'll read {disfmarker} read our digits", "Grad E : Digits ?", "Professor B : and we 'll get our {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Uh .", "Professor B : get our last bit of , uh , Jose 's {disfmarker} Jose {disfmarker} Jose 's digit {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Oops .", "Grad E : Are we gonna do them simultaneously or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD H : You {disfmarker} eh {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh , I 'm sorry ?", "PhD H : Ye - ye you prefer , eh , to eat , eh , chocolate , eh , at the coffee break , eh , at the {disfmarker} ? {vocalsound} Or you prefer now , before after {disfmarker} ?", "Postdoc C : Well , we have a time {disfmarker}", "PhD F : No , we prefer to keep it for ourselves .", "PhD D : During {disfmarker}", "Postdoc C : Well , we have a s a time {disfmarker} time constraint .", "PhD F : Yeah , yeah .", "PhD D : during digits .", "Professor B : So keep it away from that end of the table .", "Postdoc C : Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "PhD A : Why is it that I can read your mind ?", "Postdoc C : Yeah .", "Grad E : Well , we 've gotta wait until after di after we take the mikes off .", "PhD D : No , no .", "Grad E : So are we gonna do digits simultaneously", "PhD A : You {disfmarker} This is our reward if we {pause} do our digi", "Professor B : Well ? Yeah .", "Postdoc C : OK .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad E : or what ?", "PhD D : Simultaneous digit chocolate task .", "PhD H : I {disfmarker} I think , eh , it 's enough , eh , for more peopl for more people {pause} after .", "Professor B : We 're gonna {disfmarker} we 're gonna do digits at the same {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Oh .", "PhD F : Mmm !", "Postdoc C : That 's nice .", "PhD H : But , eh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Oh , thanks , Jose .", "Professor B : Um .", "Postdoc C : Wow .", "PhD H : To Andreas , the idea is {disfmarker} is good . {vocalsound} s To eat here .", "Professor B : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Postdoc C : Wow . Very nice .", "PhD F : Oh .", "PhD A : Oh , wow .", "Professor B : Tha - that 's {disfmarker} that looks great .", "PhD F : Oh , yeah . Th - it doesn't {disfmarker} it won't leave this room .", "Professor B : Alright , so in the interest of getting to the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : We could do digits while other people eat .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : So it 's background crunching .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD A : We don't have background chewing .", "Postdoc C : Nice .", "PhD H : Is , eh , a {disfmarker} another acoustic event .", "PhD D : Background crunch . Yeah .", "PhD A : No , we don't have any data with background eating .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : I 'm serious . You", "Professor B : She 's {disfmarker} she 's serious .", "PhD A : I am serious .", "Grad E : It 's just the rest of the digits {disfmarker} the rest of the digits are very clean ,", "Professor B : She is serious .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD A : Well {disfmarker} ?", "PhD H : Are you {disfmarker} ? Oh , they 're clean .", "PhD D : Yeah !", "Grad E : um , without a lot of background noise ,", "PhD A : And it {disfmarker} You have to write down , like , while y what you 're {disfmarker} what ch chocolate you 're eating", "Grad E : so I 'm just not sure {disfmarker}", "PhD A : cuz they might make different sounds , like n nuts {disfmarker} chocolate with nuts , chocolate without nuts .", "Postdoc C : Oh .", "Professor B : Um {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Crunchy frogs .", "PhD F : Chocolate adaptation .", "Professor B : Actually {disfmarker} {vocalsound} actually kind of careful cuz I have a strong allergy to nuts , so I have to sort of figure out one without th", "PhD A : That w Oh , yeah , they {disfmarker} they might .", "Professor B : It 's hard to {disfmarker} hard to say .", "PhD A : Maybe those ? They 're so {disfmarker} I don't know .", "Professor B : I don't know . Um {disfmarker}", "PhD A : This is {disfmarker} You know , this is a different kind of speech ,", "Professor B : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD H : Take {disfmarker} take several .", "PhD A : looking at chocolates , deciding {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD A : you know , it 's another style .", "Professor B : Yeah . I may {disfmarker} I may hold off .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor B : But if I was {disfmarker} eh , but maybe I 'll get some later . Thanks .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor B : Well {disfmarker} well , why don't we {disfmarker} ? He {disfmarker} he 's worried about a ticket . Why don't we do a simultaneous one ?", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : Simultaneous one ?", "Postdoc C : OK .", "Grad E : OK .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD A : And you laughed at me , too , f the first time I said that .", "Professor B : OK .", "Grad E : Remember to read the transcript number , please .", "PhD F : Right .", "PhD H : OK .", "Professor B : I have to what ?", "PhD D : Oops .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "PhD A : You laughed at me , too , the first time I sa said {disfmarker}", "Professor B : I did ,", "PhD A : You really shouldn't , uh , te", "Professor B : and now I love it so much .", "Grad E : OK , everyone ready ?", "PhD A : You have to sort of , um {disfmarker} Jose , if you haven't done this , you have to plug your ears while you 're t talking", "Professor B : W wait {disfmarker} wait a minute {disfmarker} wait a minute . W we want {disfmarker} we want {disfmarker}", "PhD A : so that you don't get confused , I guess .", "Professor B : we want it synchronized .", "PhD A : Yeah . Oh , you 've done this one before ?", "Postdoc C : Hey , you 've done this before . Haven't you ?", "PhD H : Yeah .", "PhD D : That 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Together ?", "Postdoc C : You 've read {pause} digits together with us , haven't you {disfmarker} I mean , at the same time ?", "PhD A : I 'm not {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} Oh , and you haven't done this either .", "Professor B : OK .", "Postdoc C : Oh , you haven't !", "PhD H : No .", "Postdoc C : Oh , OK .", "PhD D : Oh , yeah .", "PhD A : I the first time is {pause} traumatic ,", "Professor B : We", "PhD A : but {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Y {vocalsound} Yeah , bu", "Postdoc C : Oh , and the groupings are important ,", "PhD H : Mmm .", "Postdoc C : so yo you 're supposed to pause between the groupings .", "PhD H : The grouping .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK . So , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : You mean that the {disfmarker} the grouping is supposed to be synchronized ?", "Professor B : No , no .", "Postdoc C : No .", "Grad E : Yeah , sure .", "PhD F : No ?", "PhD A : That 'd be good .", "Professor B : Synchronized digits .", "Postdoc C : No .", "PhD F : No ?", "PhD A : We - we 'll give everybody the same sheet", "PhD F : It 's like a {disfmarker} like a Greek {disfmarker} like a Greek choir ?", "PhD A : but they say different {disfmarker}", "PhD F : You know ?", "Professor B : Yes .", "Grad E : Hey , what a good idea .", "PhD F : Like {disfmarker}", "Grad E : We could do the same sheet for everyone .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad E : Have them all read them at once .", "PhD A : Well , different digits", "PhD D : Eh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : but same groupings .", "Grad E : Or {disfmarker} or just same digits .", "PhD A : So they would all be {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Postdoc C : Yeah . That 'd be good .", "Grad E : See if anyone notices .", "Professor B : There 's so many possibilities .", "Postdoc C : And then {disfmarker} then we can sing them next time .", "Professor B : Uh . OK , why don't we go ? Uh , one two three {disfmarker} Go !", "Postdoc C : OK . Mmm !", "Professor B : And Andreas has the last word .", "Grad E : Did you read it twice or what ?", "PhD A : He 's try No , he 's trying to get good recognition performance .", "Postdoc C : He had the h", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Postdoc C : He had the {disfmarker} the long form .", "PhD H : Yeah .", "Grad E : And we 're off .", "PhD F : No ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 34, 46 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "welch bac , level", "speaker": "Kay Martin" }, "summary": "Kay Martin spoke about Welsh bac being more of paper-based than a real activity. Certain levels could help them enter into universities. Some learners did other types of level but not undergo Welsh baccalaureate itself.", "title": "Value of Welsh Bac at Different Levels", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "welch bac , level", "speaker": "Kay Martin" }, "summary": "Kay Martin addressed Welsh bac as being more of paper-based than a real activity. Some levels could get takers enter universities but some didn't take it at all. Not all universities adopted Welsh bac. For other specializations, four A-levels was deemed better. Although, most other colleges that had A-level students required Welsh bac, too.", "title": "Value of Welsh Bac in Learning Institutions", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] } ], "source": [ "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. Is there a difference in how the Welsh bac is valued by learners at the different levels that it is studied? ColegauCymru said that learners may have had a negative experience of the Welsh bac in previous study.", "Dafydd Evans : That's been a new dimension lately, I think, in that, when the Welsh bac first hit FE, we were leading the way\u2014", "Kay Martin : Great advocates.", "Dafydd Evans : \u2014and great advocates. By now, of course, they're coming to us having been through a Welsh bac experience at school, and therefore many of the learners feel that there's repeating going on then\u2014'Oh, we've done this at school already. Why are we doing it again at college?' So, I think that's a problem for us as well.", "Kay Martin : Many have experienced a paper-based exercise rather than a real activity. So, at level 1 and level 2, it's not what we would call a crowd puller in colleges,\u00a0but at level 3 it's more, especially for A-levels, because it can help them get into university, but even for the more able and talented\u2014we were discussing this, weren't we? We have learners who do four A-levels, but they don't do the Welsh baccalaureate because they're part of the Seren network, and they are going to be applying for Oxbridge or high-level Russell Group universities. So, the Welsh bac, although it's technically universally adopted by universities, it isn't adopted by every admissions tutor in every university. So, to get into some areas, like dentistry, for example, and some of the other Seren-type activities, four A-levels is better. But in most colleges that\u00a0have A-level students it's almost compulsory to do the Welsh bac as well, but normally that would be three A-levels and the Welsh bac\u2014normally.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay. And then ColegauCymru say that, increasingly, the Welsh bac is not being offered at post-16 national and foundation level. So, are the different levels of the Welsh bac valued differently by further education professionals?", "Nick Brazil : Yes.", "Kay Martin : Yes.", "Dafydd Evans : Yes.", "Dr Rachel Bowen : Yes.", "Ed Evans : Yes.", "Nick Brazil : I think we've got to bear in mind when the students come to us\u2014certainly when they're level 1, level 2 learners\u2014that a number of them have come from school and\u00a0probably not done as well as they'd hoped at their GCSEs. Okay, they've come to us, they're trying to build themselves back up, build their skills back up, and adding another qualification on top, adding the Welsh bac on top, whether that's foundation or national, on top of what they have to do, which is a programme they've come and decided to do\u2014think of the pressure that increases upon them. Plus the fact is that they are resitting; they're probably having to resit GCSE English and maths as well. That's a huge volume of work for a learner who's probably come from a\u00a0low base to begin with and who hasn't achieved what they wanted to. The whole idea when we bring them in at that level is that we want to build their confidence, build them up and, hopefully, eventually they will go to the stage where maybe the Welsh bac will be beneficial to them, when they've potentially hopefully progressed to level 3. But I think it's questionable, certainly at national and foundation. And the important point that Dafydd raised was that there's a lot of repetition there in school, pre 16 to post 16 at those levels as well. So, learners don't come in banging at the door saying, 'We want to do the Welsh bac because it's exactly the same or very similar to what we did when we were in school.' They want to see some difference, they want to see some progress, and that's not necessarily the case in the foundation and national levels.", "Dr Rachel Bowen : And we know that delivery in schools is of variable quality, so obviously that impacts on how learners have experienced it and perhaps how they view it when they get to FE college." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 14, 203 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , product features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Among the product features, Industrial Designer said the remote control needed to be able to be found by the customer by calling it, also they had to establish their corporate image on its basis, also mentioned it should make a big flash when the TV was turned on and off. Industrial Designer also mentioned the idea of a remote that changed in size depending on the user preference. It was also discussed how it had to be flexible, inflatable, colourful or clear. It was said it needed to be waterproof and gave it should give you some sort of oral cue to know if understood the message. Project Manager mentioned it needed to add other facility like unbreakable or more. User Interface agreed on the unbreakable idea. Industrial Designer said titanium buttons would make the product be heavy. User Interface proposed to keep the number of buttons to a minimum, and to make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed.", "title": "Design and Features of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4, 12, 14, 16, 19, 27, [ 28, 31 ], 131, 173 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functional design , product features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Discussing the product features, it was mentioned that the remote needed to be found by calling it, it had to be flexible, inflatable, colourful or clear, waterproof, unbreakable, change in size, and gave some sort of oral cue. It should be able to turn the TV on and off, change channels, control the volume and menus. Buttons should be kept to a minimum, and the frequently used should be bigger and strategically placed.", "title": "Design and Features of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4, 12, 14, 16, 19, 27, [ 28, 31 ], 131, 173 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features , remote control , buttons", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said people complained that there were many buttons on remote controls, that it was not clear what was their function, and that they were very small and hard to be seen. To give a solution to those problems, User Interface proposed to keep the number of buttons to a minimum, and to make frequently used buttons bigger and place them more strategically, for example, the on button could be really obvious, and to keep the design basically sleek and simple.", "title": "User Interface's Suggestions for the Remote Control Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 171, 173 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features , remote control , buttons", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said people complained of the number and size of the buttons on remote controls, therefore, proposed to keep the number of buttons to a minimum, to make frequently used buttons bigger and place them more strategically, and to keep the design basically sleek and simple.", "title": "User Interface's Suggestions for the Remote Control Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 171, 173 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functionalities", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface talked about the functionalities of the remote control, such as turning the TV, changing channels, controlling the volume and menus. Also, suggested reducing the number of buttons to a minimum, increasing the size of the frequently used buttons and placing them more strategically.", "title": "Functionalities Proposed by User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ 171, 173 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functionalities", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface, decide what functionalities, keep; to be able to turn the TV on and off; to change channels, both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing; to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the TV to regulate contrast or whatever. A much simpler remote control, the minimum functionalities, needed; specific functionalities that require more buttons, how to do it with existing buttons; number of buttons, to a minimum, frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed; design, sleek and simple.", "title": "Functionalities Proposed by User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ 171, 173 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "materials , remote control", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer wondered about the materials that should be appropriate to use for the construction of the outside of the remote control. User Interface said something like plastic would be harder for the unbreakable thing, mentioning some other materials, as steel or titanium, that could not be economically viable. Industrial Designer liked the idea of using titanium and User Interface agreed.", "title": "Industrial Designer and User Interface's View on Materials for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 2, [ 28, 34 ], [ 37, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "materials , remote control", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, materials, appropriate to use, construction, outside, product. User Interface, unbreakable thing, plastic would be harder; steel or titanium, economically viable. Industrial Designer, titanium, heavy, like titanium, light. User Interface, yeah; the marketing, out.", "title": "Industrial Designer and User Interface's View on Materials for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 2, [ 28, 34 ], [ 37, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "requirements", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer mentioned the identified requirements, like the TV's response to turn on and off the first time the button was pressed, and the difficulty to find the remote controls. Also, said old requirements, like turning the picture and the sound on and off and changing channels, were still needed.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion on the Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "requirements", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, user requirements; the device, to turn the television on and off the first time, press on the big button. To be able to find it; one of the biggest problems with remote controls, finding them. To establish, corporate image, on the basis of this new product. Remote control made a big flash when, turn the TV on and off, might be interesting. Directional flash light, turn the picture on and off, and the sound on and off, and change channels, those, still requirements, today, fifty years later.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion on the Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : So um well I I figured uh we should um identify some user requirements , and from my experience , I wanna uh , and from {vocalsound} research I did , uh the the device has to turn the television on and off the first time you press on the big button , you can't uh can't have like uh waffling on this point , you know .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Really have {disfmarker} It needs to be able y y have to be able to find it . Because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them . So uh , I also , since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product , thought we better look at things that are popular and um ex go beyond those , and , as I said in the first meeting , um {vocalsound} and then uh we might wanna talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use in uh in the construction , especially in the the uh the outside of the product", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : so that it gives the appearance , and it is reliable , and so forth . {vocalsound} I did a little history on uh the the uh remote controls and when they were invented and so forth , so , I guess this guy Zenith uh created the Flashmatic , which I kinda like the idea , 'cause it made me think of um um maybe the remote control made a big flash when uh you turn the T_V_ on and off , that might be interesting . And um {vocalsound} so it was highly directional flash light that uh you could turn the picture on and off , and the sound on and off , and change channels c so I think um those are still requirements we have today , uh fifty years later .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And uh it was really a pioneering innovation , but it was uh sensitive to the sun , so that uh it would get {disfmarker} would start off by the {disfmarker} you'd get {disfmarker} it would easily cause um problems . So , uh I {disfmarker} in addition to uh looking at the um {vocalsound} uh the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where uh mm {disfmarker} they {vocalsound} represent examples that are available today {vocalsound} {vocalsound} which I think the one in the middle is r um really uh something to keep in mind .", "Marketing : Fantastic . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It'd be easy to find . And um it would uh y you'd {vocalsound} {disfmarker} you could throw it at things if if the T_V_ didn't turn on and off , you could use it for something else . And since I'm not really um {vocalsound} Industrial Designer , I didn't really know what to do with this slide . But um {vocalsound} I just {vocalsound} took some {vocalsound} different uh schematics and I put them into this , and I guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board . {gap} I don't know why um we were asked to do this . So , uh {vocalsound} personal preferences , {vocalsound} um", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I think we could uh I I'm really thinking outside the box here , and I think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So something that's very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it . I think um it could either be {disfmarker} you could go either one extreme , be very colourful , or you could make it clear , and um kind of blend in with things , so you didn't have to um {vocalsound} uh have a problem with the th the decoration of the {disfmarker} of the user's home . Um I think uh it needs to be waterproof , because uh sometimes they fall into cups", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and , you know , it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that . Um {vocalsound} if you uh mi one of {disfmarker} one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it's done its job or not , because half the time , I keep pushing on the remote control , and I don't know if it's actually understood my message , so I think it should give you some sort of an oral cue . And uh , course I never wanna replace the battery . {vocalsound} So ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : that's {disfmarker} those are my f preferences , and that's my presentation .", "Project Manager : Yeah , let me uh interrupt you uh if you can add other facility , other feature , like uh unbreakable .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Okay , because uh especially today , you know , you have the family and the kids ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay , and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes and {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Run over it with a car .", "Project Manager : Yes . Okay , so if you can add the feature , okay , for your uh fabric whatever in your outline design okay , with unbreakable , okay , I think that will give a lot of advantage for our product , if I'm not wrong . Maybe you can uh add it in that .", "Industrial Designer : Good idea . Good idea , I'll I'll uh um {disfmarker} Yes , very good .", "Project Manager : Okay , uh thank you Christine , and uh uh any questions or uh clarifications , or any discussion on the functional design ?", "User Interface : Do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials ? 'Cause , for example , in the unbreakable thing , doing something plastic would be harder ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : whereas having something like , I dunno , steel or titanium isn't really economically viable . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Titanium . Titanium would be {vocalsound} be heavy , too ,", "Marketing : Titanium . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : wouldn't it ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No , I haven't really um {disfmarker} I wanted feedback , I think we need to rate {disfmarker} rank these , but we'll see what your uh personal preferences are and your thoughts .", "User Interface : Yeah . Sure , yeah . No , I just wondering whether {disfmarker} that you had any sort of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I like titanium . It's light .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh {vocalsound} yeah", "Marketing : Expensive .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The marketing comes out . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but uh who who said {disfmarker} who said we were ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : you know , nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is , so um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It'd be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : Um well , I mean , maybe if I go through my presentation , you can sort of see what the user perspective is , and how it ties into the other two comments .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah , so you are finish , Ed , uh so I can uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yes . Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay , I'll uh hand over to Agnes . Just gonna close this . T Uh where are you , here ?", "User Interface : Mm participant three .", "Project Manager : Participant three .", "User Interface : Nope , here {gap}", "Project Manager : Okay , so I'll {disfmarker} yep . Okay .", "User Interface : Good .", "Project Manager : Is it okay ?", "User Interface : Thanks .", "Project Manager : Alri", "User Interface : Yeah , and that's fine . Okay . So , basically , the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people don't like about existing products . So , in our case , existing remote controls . And then , what the good ideas are , and what the bad ideas are , and why they're bad and good , which isn't always as obvious . We seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad , but when you look , technically , at how it works , sometimes that's not the case . Then we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep , 'cause that'll feed into both Ed's work and Christine's work . Um and then what the remote control should look like , obviously , once we've got a good idea of what the functionalities are . So , in terms of the functionalities that we need , you obviously need to be able to turn the T_V_ on and off . You need to change channels , both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing . You need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the T_V_ to regulate contrast or whatever . So , the problems that people have expressed is that there's too many buttons on remote controls , in general . The buttons {disfmarker} it's not clear what they're supposed to do . Um often , you need to know specific button sequences {vocalsound} to get certain functionalities done , um which you don't necessarily always remember , especially if it's a functionality that you don't use very often . And that the buttons are too small . So , here we've got two examples where here on the left-hand side , you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : The buttons , in a lot of cases , are tiny . Um they're hard to see , and okay , they're labelled , but the labels don't necessarily tell you too much . Whereas , on the other side , you have a much simpler remote control that I think basically has the minimum functionalities {vocalsound} that are needed . And it sort of looks simpler and just less imposing when you first look at it . So , I would be inclined to go sort of towards this , in terms of design , rather than this . And if there's specific functionalities that require more buttons , then we can figure out how to do it with existing um buttons . So my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit , or to a minimum , sorry , make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed , so like the on button being really obvious one , the channel changing and the volume , and to keep the design basically sleek and simple .", "Project Manager : Click mm .", "User Interface : Which , I think ties into what Christine and Ed have both said fairly reasonably . Um so , that's pretty much it , an I don't know if you guys have any questions or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh , it's um , seems {vocalsound} very understandable . Clearly your research and uh {disfmarker} and ours uh heading in the same direction ,", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : and um uh the only thing that I saw missing from uh your your research that we found was this uh ability to find the doggone thing when you need it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yes , that's true . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So uh , you know , but that's okay . That's why we're all here at the table , so that if we think of it and our research indicates certain things and um w we it's complementary .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I also think that um uh th f the the feel of it is uh , when you hold it , is something that um uh was expressed more in in in in my uh design", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and that's logical and normal 'cause those are the parameters that an Industrial Designer's more thinking about , th th the look and the feel ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and uh , you're {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh , that's definitely a very important factor , especially to users who are gonna be buying the thing and then using it almost on an {disfmarker} daily basis in a lot of cases , I think .", "Industrial Designer : First . Yep . Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Okay , so I don't have any questions . Sounds good ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 342, 372 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , functions , television", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager summarized the project requirements for the television control, said they were looking for something simple, with a different shape, with no buttons at all, or it could incorporate just the main buttons and the main functions as channel control, volume control, on/off button, also said it should include the corporate logo, the grey and yellow colour scheme and possibly introduce interchangeable covers, and mentioned the voice recognition system, that was the information on the design the head office had given.", "title": "Project Manager Presented the Project Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 6, 10, 20 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "buttons , functions , television", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were looking for a television control with extreme simplicity, radically different shape, with just the main buttons or no buttons at all, as well as just the main functions, like channel control and volume control. Also, it should include the corporate logo, the colour scheme and possibly introduce interchangeable covers.", "title": "Project Manager Presented the Project Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 6, 10, 20 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : um {disfmarker} right , so I'd {disfmarker} I need to sum up very quickly here um . {vocalsound} We're looking at extreme simplicity . We're looking at a radically different shape . Possibly no buttons at all um , but if you can incorporate um channel change and volume buttons um in into the design , then then that's fine . Um in the {disfmarker} I mean the the role of the of the um the user interface des designer becomes b you know more important here , because , you know , shape is no longer an a uh um a serious constraint . But we clearly only need th the main buttons , although , uh if {disfmarker} clearly only need the main functions . Um I don't see why we shouldn't go for voice recognition um and the the only buttons that I think we need are channel control , volume control and on off . Um it needs to incorporate the corporate logo , uh the the grey and yellow colour scheme and {vocalsound} there's no reason why we can't introduce um interchangeable uh covers . {vocalsound} Um uh d so does that accurately summarise what we've discussed ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yep . Hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Right .", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah . We are doing just the television .", "User Interface : Oh I just have one question . So are we doing just the television or are we doing {disfmarker} so not D_V_D_ players ,", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : we okay , okay .", "Project Manager : I think that's quite clear from the the information that we've been given ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : no ?", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , like in the email of television only . In fact they're {gap} in the constraints email that I got .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : Didn't you mention the teletext , just television only ?", "Project Manager : Oh yeah well th that's one I s that's one I sent you ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : which which was my interpretation of uh of the uh {disfmarker} what came down from from head office . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh okay . {vocalsound} Oh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh {vocalsound} okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} That's {vocalsound} that that that that's their uh their view .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , so uh we can all give some thought to that uh for for the next meeting , thank you very much indeed .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Cool .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 1, 20 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : We have a {disfmarker} I guess we have a presentation each , 'cause I've got one . Um .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : I see , right .", "Marketing : I've got one too .", "Project Manager : That's nice to know , one from each of you . Um new project requirements . Um so do we want to do the presentation first , or do we want to um {disfmarker} W I I got um {gap} or or three things basically , um relating to the remote being only for T_V_ . We discussed that last time", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and in actual fact that was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So in fact it actually f we won't be forestalled {vocalsound} in a sense .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : Um we've got uh teletext outdated . Um did you get any information on that ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh we didn't , no .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : Right and the corporate image was the uh final thing .", "Industrial Designer : I d I didn't personally .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : So I I got that in email form ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 263, 286 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "production", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested that they could get production in countries that could go better features and better price. Project Manager also said that they could have a tie-up with the person doing the fabric and different electronics items to cut the cost.", "title": "Suggestions from Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 21, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "production", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested to get production in India, China or Malaysia.", "title": "Suggestion on Production Countries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : We'd also have to wor um consider that uh who we were gonna get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes , we might wanna um learn about um {vocalsound} labour laws .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You know in different countries and stuff wher so we can do it cheap , but you don't wanna exploit uh labour in um third world countries .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So actually you could turn it y turn around and say that you're uh par the reason the cost is high for the device is because um you're paying a a working wage to the person who made the device .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but we can get a production in , uh {vocalsound} , countries like , uh , India", "Industrial Designer : Cost of living is low .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} yes , yes , countries like India or China or Malaysia , so you can go a better features and better price and you can sell more . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Good , well th that'd be something that manufacturing would have to um explore more", "Project Manager : Yeah , {vocalsound} yeah , so Yes .", "User Interface : Mm yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and to where {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Where w Where it would be manufactured is is another step .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker} Yeah , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah", "Marketing : We're here to design , come up with a nice product . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes uh , but uh that that we can that we can talk about the production later , okay , depends on the the quantity , okay .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So we don't need to have our own uh fabric factory or something ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : so we can have a tie-up with who the do the fabric , okay , for the different uh electronics items , then we can have a business tie-up and to get {disfmarker} to cut the cost , okay , to sell more . So , but uh le let's decide first about the components concept and uh interface concept , okay , if is acceptable for both of you , what uh Ed was talking . And your design {vocalsound} whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple , so" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 90, 111 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "money , supporting teachers , preparation , implementation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM asked how the \u00a324 million set aside was being utilized to support teachers for the preparation of the implementation. Kirsty Williams AM answered that the money was being made available to every school and has empowered headteachers to really think of the professional needs and practitioners in the school. Kirsty Williams AM further said that the money was given to individual schools and individual headteachers because there was no way of knowing how each individual practitioner was ready or how much additional support they needed.", "title": "Prepare for Implementation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "money , supporting teachers , preparation , implementation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM wondered how the \u00a324 million set aside was being utilized for the preparation of the implementation; Kirsty Williams AM said the money was made available to each and every school and has it has empowered headteachers to be equipped to deliver the curriculum since they know the professional needs and practitioners in school.", "title": "Prepare for Implementation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "money , professional development preparation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM asked if there's likely money announced for professional development preparation be allocated beyond the already two years allocated. Kirsty Williams AM answered that the money agreed was for a two-year period.", "title": "Money Allocation for Professional Development Preparation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "money , professional development preparation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM asked since the money that was announced for the professional development preparation was for two years if there could be likely of more money allocated specifically beyond the two years that it was already allocated; Kirsty Williams AM answered that the money that was agreed was for a two-year period and would continue to have conversations with the Minister for Finance and the First Minister for possible future allocations for professional learning.", "title": "Money Allocation for Professional Development Preparation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "innovation schools", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM inquired about the 16 innovation schools of who they might be, across which sectors, in primary, secondary and so on. Kirsty Williams AM commented that all the schools that had previously been pioneers were invited to apply to morph into the next phase of innovation schools and a discussion held both internally within Welsh Government and the consortia about which schools were best placed.", "title": "Criteria for Innovation Schools Selection", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "innovation schools", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM; tell us a bit about the innovation schools\u2014the 16 innovation schools\u2014and how you've made your decisions about who they might be, across which sectors, in primary, secondary and so on; how they were selected and what you're expecting of them; Kirsty Williams AM; all of our schools that had previously been pioneers were invited to apply to morph into the next phase, which were innovation schools; The innovation schools have led to a very specific piece of work as we did the final refinement, and their main role was working with us on these final refinements to the content but also to the assessment issues and accountability issues.", "title": "Criteria for Innovation Schools Selection", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "school", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Claire Bennett" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that all the schools that had previously been pioneers were invited to apply to morph into the next phase, which was innovation schools and the Welsh Government together with consortia discussed which schools were best placed to do the role. Also there were upside and downside to having pioneer schools and said that the innovation schools have led to a very specific piece of work as we did the final refinement. Claire Bennett added that during the first term of work the pioneer schools were asked to look at the curriculum as a whole.", "title": "Impact of Pioneer Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "school", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Claire Bennett" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that all the schools that had previously been pioneers were invited to apply to morph into the next phase, which was innovation schools, and they were asked to apply and a discussion held internally within Welsh Government and with the consortia about which schools were best placed to be able to do that role and to continue to work with them, going forward. Kirsty Williams AM further added that there were ups and downs to having pioneer schools and there was a need to move away from that model and to inform everyone that there were pioneers now. The innovation schools have led to a very specific piece of work as we do the final refinement, and their main role was working on these final refinements and they might have been a pioneer school because they had particular strengths in health and well-being, or they might have been a pioneer schools because they were particularly looking at professional learning needs to support the curriculum; Claire Bennett said that during the first term of work, pioneer schools were asked to really look at the curriculum as a whole where each of the schools produced a report setting out their reflections.", "title": "Impact of Pioneer Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teachers", "speaker": "Dawn Bowden AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM asked to know how they were going to deal with the issue of teachers who were not trained in Wales because the teachers who were trained in England apply for job in Wales yet they haven't been trained the new curriculum. Kirsty Williams AM responded that they would continue to have a system where the teachers trained in Wales shall teach in England and teachers trained in England shall across the border.", "title": "Training of Teachers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "teachers", "speaker": "Dawn Bowden AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Dawn Bowden AM asked how to deal with the issue of teachers who were not trained in Wales since the teachers trained in England were applying for jobs in Wales, but they obviously haven't been trained in the new curriculum; Kirsty Williams AM said they would continue to have a system where teachers trained in Wales shall teach in England while the teachers trained in England or who have worked in England shall come across the border. Adding that Wales would be a really attractive place to be a teacher because of the autonomy that they shall be giving to the professionals, as well as an exciting new curriculum. Also they shall have people coming across the border to teach there since it would be a great place to be a professional. The programmes of study were already different and that would not exclude anybody from coming across to teach in the system from a different system.", "title": "Training of Teachers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 21 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you, Chair. Yes, just around preparations for the implementation, really. You touched on this briefly in response to some questions from Hefin David earlier on, but I'm just interested to know how the money that you announced for supporting teachers for the preparation of the implementation, how that's actually been used. What specifically have teachers been doing to prepare for its implementation? I know you've set aside about \u00a324 million over two years. So, it's not an insignificant amount. I just wondered how that was being utilised.", "Kirsty Williams AM : You're right, first of all, it's not an insignificant amount; it's the largest investment in professional learning since the history of devolution. So, you're right that it is not insignificant, and it was a hard-won resource, I can tell you, from my colleagues. Because, as I said earlier, the curriculum itself can be amazing, but if our teachers and our professionals are not equipped to deliver it, then all this change will be for nothing. So, investing in the profession is absolutely crucial. That money is being made available to each and every school and has empowered headteachers to really think, 'What are the professional needs of my school and the practitioners in my school?' Because, as we've just heard from Claire, there are some schools that have been part of the pioneer process from the very beginning and therefore are further along that development chain. There are other schools that maybe are only beginning now, now that it's published, to be really engaging with the curriculum.", "Dawn Bowden AM : So, there hasn't been a national programme, as such.", "Kirsty Williams AM : There is a national element to it, but we've given the money to individual schools and individual headteachers because I have no way of knowing how each individual practitioner is ready or how much additional support they're going to need. There's no way I can know that. The people who do know that are the headteachers that are running our schools. But we have worked with the National Academy for Educational Leadership to put together a programme for headteachers, and that's national. The four regional consortia are working together to have a national approach for the first level of engagement. So, actually, the beginning of their discussion is about how you would implement a curriculum. The next stages will be much more focused on individual AoLE and area-specific professional learning. So, there is a national approach in terms of leadership. The regional consortia are working together to provide consistency for classroom teachers and teaching assistants, and then the next stage of that development is for subject specifics. Claire referred to the AoLE networks, and there's an opportunity then for people to engage in that. It's also important to say that that's not the end of the process. So, this September is the start of our new ITE courses, taught for the first time, and that's great. I'm concerned about what happens to people when they come out of ITE. So, we're looking at developing potentially a stronger set of support, again on a national basis, for those who are newly qualified, beginning their teaching career, because I don't think we've done that on a consistently good level across the country. We're also working with the regions to revisit and improve their coaching and mentoring schemes that they have across the system. We're also involved in\u2014and I'm sure the committee has heard about it, so forgive me if I'm going over old ground\u2014schools as learning organisations and the OECD work to support schools to develop that culture as a learning organisation. We know from very successful education systems in other parts of the world there is a strong, strong culture of self-evaluation as a first step in their school improvement system, and we've not been very good at that in Wales, we've not been strong at that, that's not the culture that we have had. We've kind of depended on a culture where a school does its thing and then somebody comes along and tells you whether you're good or bad, rather than the school really thinking itself deeply about, 'What are we doing well and what do we need to improve on?' So, the schools as learning organisations are an important part, again, so that money is being used for schools participating in that programme with support from the OECD.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. And the money that you announced for this\u00a0\u00a0professional development preparation, if you like, was for two years. So, there's going to clearly be an ongoing programme of preparation development and personal development, as well as anything else. But is there likely to be any more money allocated specifically beyond the two years that you've already allocated or is that going to be a question and negotiation with your colleagues? Or do you see what you've put in as being, 'This is what we need to develop or to prepare for the implementation. The rest would be what would be normal professional development beyond that'?", "Kirsty Williams AM : The money that was agreed was for a two-year period and, clearly, I continue to have conversations with the Minister for Finance and the First Minister around future allocations for professional learning, and I'm sure this committee and, indeed, members of this committee could help me in that task.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay, fine. Can you tell us a bit about the innovation schools\u2014the 16 innovation schools\u2014and how you've made your decisions about who they might be, across which sectors, in primary, secondary and so on? So, basically, how they were selected and what you're expecting of them.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. So, all of our schools that had previously been pioneers were invited to apply to morph into the next phase, which is innovation schools, and they were asked to apply and there was a discussion held both internally within Welsh Government and with the consortia about which schools were best placed to be able to do that role and to continue to work with us, going forward. I think one of the lessons learned, and this was said in the committee, was that there was an upside to having pioneer schools, but there was a downside to having pioneer schools, and I think, at this stage of the game, we need to move away from that model and to really get the message to everybody that they all had to be pioneers now\u2014everybody had to be a pioneer\u2014because this is coming down the track and we don't want anybody just sitting there waiting until September 2022 and saying, 'Oh, gosh. I've got to do something new today'. Not that they would have done that, but\u2014. So, the move away is partly to engender within the sector the fact that we've all got to engage in this now. The innovation schools have led to a very specific piece of work as we do the final refinement, and their main role is working with us on these final refinements to the content but also to the assessment issues and accountability issues. Steve.", "Steve Davies : Yes. There were 60 applicants from 170 previous pioneer schools. We've had 16\u2014four per region. It was important that we engaged with the regions to get their view, and we've had evaluation being carried out\u2014", "Claire Bennett : Yes. So, during the first term of work, we asked them to really look at the curriculum as a whole\u2014so, take the whole curriculum guidance and then think, 'How would I apply that in the school?, Does it make sense?, Can we work with it?, What are the issues?, What are the questions that arise for us for assessment?', and each of the schools produced a report setting out their reflections on, 'If I were putting this into practice\u2014'. So, it's slightly different to the feedback we've had from other people, which has been more, 'Maybe you should emphasise this or change that wording' and kind of quite practical, and really about how you would realise this curriculum in a school. That's been drawn together into an overall report, drawing out the themes, by Wavehill, who are a kind of research company. It's been really useful, and the innovation schools met as part of the workshops last week. Having 16 headteachers in a room talking about how they see this curriculum and the way in which they would practically engage with it has been invaluable, in just making us think, even with all the practitioners that have been involved, 'How do we make this work for schools?', given that we've got schools and headteachers really engaging in the detail of how they would use it practically. So, it's been invaluable, and they're continuing on that work now this term to keep making sure that what we're doing is something that schools can actually realise practically.", "Kirsty Williams AM : If you think of the pioneer model, pioneers were looking at specific aspects of the curriculum. So, you might have been a pioneer school because you had particular strengths in health and well-being, or you might have been a pioneer schools because you were particularly looking at professional learning needs to support the curriculum. This is about, at this stage, where we have a high degree of certainty about what it's going to look like, 'Actually, how do I as a school practically implement this in the round?', and the schools were chosen because of their ability to do that. But also we did need a mix of sector\u2014secondary, primary\u2014but also linguistically, to just try to make sure that this works in all the different types of schools we've got. Faith schools, as well, are involved. So, just trying the practical implementation now, now that we know exactly\u2014not exactly\u2014 but we have a good idea what it's actually going to look like, so, 'How am I going to go about doing this?'", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Si\u00e2n has a supplementary. If I could ask as well, maybe you could provide the committee with a list of the new innovation schools.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, sure. No problem at all.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Are you confident that every school across Wales is participating in this process of change now, because the danger is, in getting these pioneer schools\u2014? I understand that they are discussing in clusters, and so on, but can you put your hand on your heart and say that every school is participating in this project now?", "Steve Davies : I can't tell you that, absolutely, 100 per cent are definitely, totally, absolutely equally involved. The structure we've got in place across the regions is working with schools on their readiness to actually\u2014not readiness to engage\u2014start to deliver as we move through to the future. So, each region is a member of our operations board, which was in our governance structure. And we don't have a roll-call against all schools, but we require them, or request of them that they keep us informed of the networks. Every school is part of a network that links to it, and they gauge (1) the level of activity in it, (2) the outcomes of that work, because each of the networks, each of the clusters, produces work that the region brings together. But we've not got a monitoring system that says, 'Tick every box'. What I would say, and it touches on the point you raised earlier and in relation to Scotland, I think if we had 22 units of local authorities trying to do this, it would be incredibly complex and very difficult to deliver. At a regional level, we require the regions to engage with all schools through the cluster model.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Dawn.", "Dawn Bowden AM : I just wanted to clarify, because in your paper you talk about giving \u00a330,000 to each, or to the innovation schools. Was that \u00a330,000 each, or \u00a330,000 for the project?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Each school that participates in the innovation schools programme gets \u00a330,000.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. Thank you for that clarification. My final question in this section is just about how we are going to deal with the issue of teachers who are not trained in Wales. So, teachers trained in England apply for jobs in Wales, but they obviously haven't been trained in the new curriculum. How are we actually going to deal with that?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. Well, you're right\u2014we will continue to have a system where teachers trained in Wales will teach in England and teachers trained in England or who have worked in England will come across the border, as well as teachers from other parts of the world coming to teach in our schools. I think that that will continue to happen. Indeed, when I'm feeling at my most confident and bullish about these issues, I think Wales will be a really attractive place to be a teacher because of the autonomy that we will be giving to our professionals, as well as an exciting new curriculum. So, I think, actually, potentially, we will have people coming across the border to teach here because it'll be a great place to be a professional. Clearly, already in some ways, programmes of study are already distinctive in Wales. We have a different exam board, if you're teaching at a secondary level. So, our programmes of study are already different and that does not preclude anybody from coming across to teach in our system from a different system. I believe that that's not a barrier to people continuing to do that. Clearly, there may be pedagogical concepts in the new curriculum that perhaps somebody who had trained in a different system would not be completely au fait with, but that is the ongoing role of professional learning within our school system, because we've just talked about the two years' worth of money; in an ideal world, if I was able to make long-term plans, I think there will be an ongoing, and there should always be an ongoing, provision for professional learning in our classrooms. And this shouldn't just be about just getting people ready for the curriculum and then taking away professional learning budgets. One of the ways in which I think we can attract teachers to Wales is to send a very clear message\u2014 and actually attract people into the profession and keep them in the profession, wherever they train\u2014that you will have a career in teaching where you will be continually supported in your practice via professional learning. So, I do not see that this is an insurmountable issue.", "Dawn Bowden AM : So, you'll still be recruiting on the basis of skills and adaptability and so on.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, of course." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 61, 157 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation , remote , design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface started saying that the basic method was sending a signal from the remote to the television, after that it showed some example remotes, and that the personal reference was the simpler remote, user friendly but it could have more color. Project Manager answered that they had to put their own logo and color on the product, and received an email explaining those requirements, at the end of the email it showed APOGEE, which could be the color scheme. 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So , now more design . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Right . Thank you . Mine's not quite as complicated as all that .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} That's what we like to hear . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Did I press function ? Yeah .", "Project Manager : Is it control function ei Oh , th there you go .", "User Interface : Oh . Um . Okay so I'm gonna talk a bit about the technical functions design . I'm Louisa , the User Interface Designer , as you know . {vocalsound} Um so the m basic method of this is to send a signal from the remote to the television set , so that a desired function is performed . Um an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down , uh so obviously you need two different buttons for that . Um to change the channel , either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down . Um to switch the television on or off , maybe a standby button . Um here are two example remotes . Um by the look of it they both have um kind of play and fast forward , rewind functions , so I think they incorporate a kind of video function which we won't have to worry about . Uh but as you can see , the left remote is quite um quite busy looking , quite complicated . Um whereas the right remote is much simpler , it looks much more user friendly . Um so my personal preference would be the right remote . So , {vocalsound} it's got nice big buttons , it's got a very limited number of buttons . Um they're nice , kinda clearly labelled . Um I like the use of the kind of um symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the um kind of play functions and all that . So it's very very user friendly , and it's got a little splash of colour . Could maybe do with some more colour . Um .", "Project Manager : Well there's a couple of things there . Um we have to remember that we have our own um logo and colour scheme . So basically we'd have to uh we'd have to be putting that on um the the product .", "User Interface : Hmm . Do we get to see that ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I haven't as yet , no .", "User Interface : Will you be presenting that in a bit ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} But uh I got uh I got an email that basically said to uh make sure that uh whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had to incorporate um the corporate colour and slogan . So uh I'm guessing that uh uh I notice on the bottom there it's got uh what's that ? A_P_O_G_E_E_ that might be the corporate colour scheme , although the only the only colour I can see in that is the red .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Would you be able to get rid of the the extra buttons here , the the sort of circular section , because that seems to be for a video as well . So we could dispense with that little bit as well and just get it down to just the numbers and the volume . Possibly ?", "User Interface : What do you mean by the circular section ?", "Industrial Designer : J yeah yeah yeah j yeah", "User Interface : Like all of that bottom bit ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : just this little bit is that {disfmarker} I think that's still um a video remote part ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so maybe we could get rid of that as well .", "User Interface : Yeah . And I don't really think that you need nine numbers .", "Project Manager : Well b uh w", "User Interface : I mean how often do you use seven , eight and nine ? I think just one to six and then channel up and down should be enough .", "Project Manager : Well th the on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Like how often do you hit nine ?", "Project Manager : Well uh for for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to five at this point in time ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and we'd have to have some room for uh future such channels . But but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's just people are used to seeing that , so if we didn't have them then they might think it's {disfmarker} {gap}", "Project Manager : But , well possibly but the the other thing is that with um the current expansion of uh channels uh in the process of taking place , certainly the button up and down , but uh I mean {vocalsound} how many channels do we have to um {disfmarker} actual television channels do we have to uh prepare for ? I would have thought that uh {gap} it's forever expanding and at the moment we've got {disfmarker} although you've onl you've got the five standard , you've got the B_B_C_ have come up with a further six", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and uh there's uh I don't know exactly how many channels there are on uh when you take into account uh Sky and various other um various others .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : So I would've thought that we wouldn't , you know , rather {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay , if the time of flicking from one to other , but presumably it'll take a second", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : 'cause you have to be able to stop it . Maybe you could have a fast forward on the on the channels that w and then you could dispense with more otherwise . Y you'd want you'd want to get fairly quickly to the channel that you wanted .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um some remotes have kind of favourite options where if you always flick from channel one to channel six , um if that's a favourite you just like by-pass two to five .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : Yeah , I s I suppose in a sense you could have um if you've got a hundred channels then if you had sort of an easy way of getting {disfmarker} rather than having to go one to a hundred , you could go one to one to ten , ten to twenty", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : and then have a second button to get you to the actual channel you want", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and that would cut down your time .", "User Interface : Mm . Um .", "Project Manager : Anyway .", "User Interface : But I think a lot of um like Cable and Sky and stuff , that would be tuned to one channel , and then you'd have another remote for all of those channels .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , yeah .", "User Interface : Like to get to fifty five and the higher numbers {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Whatever .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Limit the number of buttons , user friendly .", "User Interface : But I suppose nine's not really excessive .", "Industrial Designer : I suppose with nine you've got the the like the last one which makes the tenth means you {disfmarker} uh it's like uh multiples you can put them together so you can make any number .", "User Interface : I suppose it does make a good pattern .", "Industrial Designer : So with that we'd kind of by-pass any problems with {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah Well that's true , yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : you could get fifty by five and a zero or whatever , that that makes sense .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . 'Cause that facilitates having all the numbers you could ever need .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "Project Manager : Does .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So w so what was the circular thing that you were {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay . Um I think that's just for a video , so we wouldn't need any of that at all .", "Industrial Designer : So we could get it down to what ?", "Project Manager : If it's just for T_V_ , which is what it is at the moment .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So we get to {disfmarker} How many buttons have we got ? We've just got ten , eleven twelve th We got fourteen that we need . I guess .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um which isn't really too many . That'll be quite easy to make a user guide for a fourteen button remote .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Well we've we've got um that it's remote for T_V_ only otherwise project would become too complex with uh which would endanger the time to market {vocalsound} was one of the considerations .", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : I'm {disfmarker} I don't know d did you have that information behind the marketing ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : or was I meant to give you that information ?", "Marketing : Um I'm not sure . I had I've had some market information ,", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : but not from the company , no .", "Project Manager : Right , okay , so basically time to market seems to be important , therefore speed of delivery .", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : We've only got about another four hours left . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay , so is everyone happy with that ?", "Industrial Designer : Ah yes yes , that seems good .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Right well that's the end of my presentation ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 27, "turns": [ 81, 240 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Land rights", "speaker": "Mr. Jamie Schmale ; Hon . Carolyn Bennett" }, "summary": "Mr. Jamie Schmale wanted to know why chiefs and community have been excluded in the MOU on land rights and title. The Minister, Hon. Carolyn Bennett said they urged leaders and Wet'suwet'en community to continue with conversations despite being complex issues for the implementation of their rights and title.", "title": "Wet'suwet'en Land Rights and Title", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Land rights", "speaker": "Mr. Jamie Schmale ; Hon . Carolyn Bennett" }, "summary": "Mr. Jamie Schmale; Wet'suwet'en elected chiefs and community members have been excluded from negotiations on a memorandum of understanding affecting land rights and titles; Hon. Carolyn Bennett; elected chiefs and the hereditary chiefs need to work work with all clan members as they determine how they wish to work with Canada and the Province of British Columbia to implement the rights and title of the Wet'suwet'en people; encourage the leaders to continue their ongoing conversations with their community on how they want to proceed on a path toward implementing their rights and title.", "title": "Wet'suwet'en Land Rights and Title", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Vaccine", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ; Hon . Navdeep Bains" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May asked to know if the vaccines, both polio vaccine and Ebola vaccine, have to be shared globally and openly and not for the profit motive as speculated. Hon. Navdeep Bains said that the vaccine's for countermeasures and other therapeutics and in a collaborative manner.", "title": "Aim of Developing Vaccine", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 145 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Vaccine", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ; Hon . Navdeep Bains" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May; public dollars for finding a vaccine result in a product that's shared globally, openly, and not for profit; Hon. Navdeep Bains; working with different partners and different jurisdictions to help develop vaccines and look at countermeasures and other therapeutics.", "title": "Aim of Developing Vaccine", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 145 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Legislation", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ; Hon . Bill Blair" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May wanted the buypack program of military-style assault rifles and guns to be tabled and the issue addressed; Hon. Bill Blair assured to raise legislation to strengthen gun control in Canada.", "title": "Gun Control Legislation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 146, 147 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Legislation", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ; Hon . Bill Blair" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May; the new regulations limiting what's described as military-style assault rifles and guns have been very controversial; Hon. Bill Blair; we'll bring forward legislation dealing with a number of aspects of our commitment to strengthen gun control; legislation to deal with a buyback program.", "title": "Gun Control Legislation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 146, 147 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Seniors", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ; Hon . Patty Hajdu" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May said she's disappointed by lack of support for seniors, with no aid in running seniors home; Hon. Patty Hajdu assured to continue supporting them through money as well as with health ministers table.", "title": "Seniors Support Appeal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 148, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Seniors", "speaker": "Ms. Elizabeth May ; Hon . Patty Hajdu" }, "summary": "Ms. Elizabeth May; I was disappointed by this morning's announcement on support for seniors; These homes have increased costs for wages and increased costs for PPE; Hon. Patty Hajdu; We continue to work with the provinces and territories and support them through generous transfers of money to boost their health care systems.", "title": "Seniors Support Appeal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 148, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Term care facilities day", "speaker": "Mr. Don Davies ; Hon . Patty Hajdu" }, "summary": "Mr. Don Davies said he's disheartened by the treatment of seniors in care homes in rooms with dangerously unhealthy conditions. Hon. Patty Hajdu mentioned that seniors deserve to live in dignity and safety with the utmost care by holding long-term care homes to stronger standards.", "title": "Priority on Seniors Health Care", "relevant_turns": [ [ 151, 159 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Term care facilities day", "speaker": "Mr. Don Davies ; Hon . Patty Hajdu" }, "summary": "Mr. Don Davies asked why seniors in care homes packed four to a room in dangerously unhealthy conditions and left in soiled clothing and going without baths for weeks due to decades of neglect by governments at all levels; Over 80% of the deaths in Canada from COVID-19 have occurred in long-term care homes. Hon. Patty Hajdu said that they have begun conversations with counterparts and other ministries to come up with stronger standards so all seniors have quality of life, safety and dignity in their elder years and also build a stronger network of long-term care alternatives.", "title": "Priority on Seniors Health Care", "relevant_turns": [ [ 151, 159 ] ] } ], "source": [ "The Chair : We're going to have to go on from here. The next question will come from Mr. Schmale.", "Mr. Jamie Schmale (HaliburtonKawartha LakesBrock, CPC) : Thank you, Chair. The Wet'suwet'en elected chiefs and community members have been excluded from negotiations on a memorandum of understanding affecting land rights and titles. Only a few hereditary chiefs have been part of these secret negotiations. The elected chiefs have issued a press release asking for the government to halt the joint announcement scheduled for May 14 on the MOU until the community has had a chance to look at and understand how the MOU will affect them. Will the minister agree with the democratically elected chiefs and the Wet'suwet'en people they represent and delay any announcement until proper consultation can be completed?", "The Chair : The honourable minister.", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett (Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations) : I want to reassure the member that communication is ongoing with and between our partners on how to go forward on implementing the Wet'suwet'en rights and title with a Wet'suwet'en-led solution. We encourage the leaders to continue their ongoing, necessary and important conversations with their community on how they want to proceed on a path toward implementing their rights and title. As we work to rebuild Canada's relationship with the Wet'suwet'en, we need to give them space for these important discussions.", "Mr. Jamie Schmale : Minister, is that a yes that the signing will be delayed until the elected chiefs have a chance to look at the agreement?", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett : I believe the elected chiefs have had a look at the agreement. These are very difficult conversations on complex issues around rights and title. This has been outstanding for a long time", "Mr. Jamie Schmale : The current health crisis should not be used as an opportunity to sideline the Wet'suwet'en people and their elected chiefs. The federal government should be bringing the community together rather than actively excluding Wet'suwet'en members. The chiefs are so concerned that they are now calling for the resignation of the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations for failure to engage in proper consultations, which has stoked divisions within the community. Will the minister reconsider and put in place a consultation process that honours both their traditional house system and the governance responsibilities of elected chiefs and councils?", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett : Yet again, it's very important the member understand the engagement must take place and be led by the Wet'suwet'en nation. That means the elected chiefs and the hereditary chiefs need to work with all clan members as they determine how they wish to work with Canada and the Province of British Columbia to implement the rights and title of the Wet'suwet'en people.", "Mr. Jamie Schmale : I agree that the Wet'suwet'en should have the opportunity to look at the proposed agreement, but we are still seeing news coming out of the elected chiefs and the people they represent that they have not had a thorough chance to look at this proposed agreement. Will the minister delay the signing?", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett : I think the member will agree that there's a lot more work to do with all the parties. I believe, in terms of the kind of engagement that has taken place in the feast houses and the notification that took place even before COVID-19, that the work is under way and it will have to be Wet'suwet'en-led in terms of what eventually will be their choice as to how they implement their rights and title.", "Mr. Jamie Schmale : Mr. Chair, for two weeks now the Liberals on the indigenous affairs committee have shut down Conservatives and witnesses every time we mention the word Wet'suwet'en. They don't want to talk about the issue, an issue that is very much aggravated by the COVID-19 crisis. The Liberals profess to be the advocates for indigenous communities and the champions of reconciliation. Can the minister tell us why the Liberals are determined to shut down discussion and public debate?", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett : I would have to disagree with the member. I don't believe that there's, at any time, an interest in shutting down discussion or debate. I think, though, that at the COVID committee the issues facing indigenous communities, first nations, Inuit and Mtis around COVID-19 are very important to them. We need to work with them to make sure they can keep their communities safe.", "The Chair : Mr. Schmale, you have 30 seconds.", "Mr. Jamie Schmale : I would argue with the minister and challenge her to talk to her committee members. Each time Conservatives have brought up the topic of the Wet'suwet'en and the situation happening with the elected chiefs and the people they represent, we have been shut down every single time. When will the minister allow the public debate to happen?", "Hon. Carolyn Bennett : Again, in a committee, it is the work of the committee and the decision of the committee. I believe the chair and all members want first nations, Inuit and Mtis to be able to keep their communities safe during COVID-19.", "The Chair : The next question will go to Ms. May.", "Ms. Elizabeth May : Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, colleagues. It's lovely to see all of you. My first question is directed to the Prime Minister. It's a higher-level abstraction. As we all know, we're being told we need a vaccine, and the quest for a vaccine is all-consuming globally. However, people who think about this issue and the question of the power structure and profit motive, particularly Dr. Matthew Herder of the Health Law Institute at Dalhousie University, are questioning this model. We know that Jonas Salk never sought a patent on his polio vaccine. Can we ensure that public dollars for finding a vaccine will result in a product that is shared globally, openly, and is not for profit?", "Hon. Navdeep Bains : Mr. Chair, I want to thank the member for her question. Our approach has been very clear when it comes to science. We have an open science model, and we're working with different partners and different jurisdictions to help develop vaccines and look at countermeasures and other therapeutics. Our goal is to make sure that we do so in a collaborative fashion, because this is a global pandemic, but make no mistake: If it's Canadian ingenuity and Canadian IP that's driving it, we want to support them as well.", "Ms. Elizabeth May : As a follow-up to the minister's comment, I note it was interesting to see the claim made by this public health institute at Dalhousie about the wonderful research that was being done in Winnipeg on an Ebola vaccine. Because of the for-profit motive and the interests that big pharma had in seeing their market before they developed the product, it is alleged that the Ebola vaccine was actually delayed by the for-profit model. I wonder if we might consider examining this profit motive around the development of life-saving vaccines and other drugs. Is that a conversation the minister is having with others?", "Hon. Navdeep Bains : I'd like to thank the member for her question. I'm working very closely with Minister Hajdu and the chief science advisor to look at all options. I'm glad the member highlighted the Ebola virus vaccine, which was developed here in Canada. I'm proud of the fact that the DNA sequencing for SARS was also done in Canada. We have incredible scientists and researchers. We are engaging with them and empowering them, and we will continue to share details of this with the public.", "Ms. Elizabeth May : Changing gears, we know that the new regulations limiting what are described as military-style assault rifles and guns have been very controversial. It's very clear to me as an opposition member why we haven't seen legislation on any fast track. It's obviously not the sort of legislation that would gain unanimous consent. Wouldn't it be wise to table for first reading the entire legislative framework so that we know what we're talking about in the long term with regard to the buyback program and other aspects of this issue?", "Hon. Bill Blair : I want to thank the member for the question. I want to assure her that at the first opportunity, we will bring forward legislation dealing with a number of aspects of our commitment to strengthen gun control in Canada, including legislation to deal with a buyback program, which we've indicated we will put in place. There are a number of other significant measures as well that we intend to bring forward to strengthen gun control legislation. We understand that it's a priority. The pandemic does not diminish our responsibility to do what is necessary to keep Canadians safe, and we will bring that legislation forward at the first opportunity.", "Ms. Elizabeth May : I confess that I was disappointed by this morning's announcement on support for seniors. I had been hoping for much more, because I hear from many seniors. I'm going to focus my question for the minister on the issue of seniors homes. Some that are being run by not-for-profit societies are actually running very well, certainly in my community, but they are facing increased costs that could bankrupt them. As yet, there's no program to help a well-run seniors home that is not experiencing a loss of revenue and has lots of staff working hard. These homes have increased costs for wages and increased costs for PPE and nowhere to look for help. Is there help coming?", "Hon. Patty Hajdu : I offer my gratitude to the many people who are working in these long-term care facilities day and night to keep seniors safe. The member certainly highlighted that there are not only additional expenses for some of the not-for-profit seniors homes, but also additional new measures that will increase all kinds of things, including costs. We continue to work with the provinces and territories and support them through, for example, generous transfers of money to boost their health care systems in ways that they think are most appropriate. We continue to have conversations at the health ministers' table on how we can support them.", "The Chair : I'm afraid we're out of time on that one. The next question will go to Mr. Davies.", "Mr. Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway, NDP) : Mr. Chair, Canadians are appalled by the disgraceful treatment of seniors in care homes across this country. Old folks are being left in soiled clothing and are going without baths for weeks. They are packed four to a room in dangerously unhealthy conditions. The situation is so bad that the armed forces had to be called in to intervene. To the Minister of Health, is her government prepared to take strong action to address this crisis in seniors health care?", "Hon. Patty Hajdu : Mr. Chair, the member has illustrated some of the horror stories that have appalled us all as Canadians and certainly as parliamentarians. We know that seniors deserve to live in dignity and safety with the utmost care, and that just hasn't been happening in this time of COVID and certainly, in some cases, in previous times as well. As the member knows, I've said publicly that I believe we need to hold long-term care homes to stronger standards. I have begun those preliminary conversations with my counterparts. I am working with many ministers across our government to think about how we do that, how we", "The Chair : We'll go back to Mr. Davies.", "Mr. Don Davies : Mr. Chair, if we treated children the way we do seniors in this country, social services would seize them. Over 80% of the deaths in Canada from COVID-19 have occurred in long-term care homes. Canada has the highest proportion of deaths in long-term care home settings among 14 comparable countries, including France, Germany, Denmark and Ireland. Canadians want action. What specifically is the minister going to do about the crisis in long-term care?", "Hon. Patty Hajdu : Mr. Chair, the member opposite knows that long-term care homes have rested largely in the jurisdiction of provincial governments and, in fact, municipal governments, which often run them and fund them partially as well. That's why it's important that we have those conversations with our provincial and territorial partners, but the member can rest assured that it is on the top of my priority list to engage with my colleagues all across the country, including many experts who have studied this issue multiple times, to come up with stronger standards so all seniors have quality of life, safety and dignity in their elder years.", "Mr. Don Davies : Mr. Chair, Canadians don't want politicians pointing fingers at each other; they want our seniors taken care of. COVID-19 didn't cause the problems; it exposed them. Decades of neglect by governments at all levels have resulted in this calamity. Not a single province or territory in Canada is meeting the minimum standards of hands-on care for seniors, and death rates from COVID-19 in private, for-profit facilities are two to three times that of public or non-profit homes. Will the minister agree with New Democrats that we need strong national standards, federal funding tied to enforcement and public delivery of care to effectively improve care for seniors?", "Hon. Patty Hajdu : Mr. Chair, certainly the member of Parliament has made an assertion that there is finger pointing. I don't think that's the case at all. As a matter of fact, what I hear from my colleagues at the provincial and territorial level is the willingness to collaborate on how, first of all, we get through this crisis together and strengthen safety for seniors in homes right now and then how we look to the future to build a stronger network of long-term care or care alternatives that will ensure that seniors have the right and the ability to live with dignity and safety in their homes.", "Mr. Don Davies : Mr. Chair, what I'm not hearing is a single concrete proposal or measure that this minister is suggesting her government can take, but let me move to another subject. Like long-term care, COVID-19 has exposed other major gaps in our health care system. Millions of Canadians lost their prescription benefits when they lost their jobs, revealing the fundamental weakness of medical coverage tied to employment status. Will this government finally move to ensure all Canadians get the medicine they need by bringing in universal pharmacare at the earliest opportunity?", "Hon. Patty Hajdu : Mr. Chair, as you know, in the mandate that the Prime Minister gave to me, working on a national pharmacare plan is still there. I know it feels like a lifetime ago, but the member has very aptly illustrated why affordable medication is so important as part of a robust health care system. I look forward to continuing our work on ensuring that all Canadians can afford the medication they need." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 18, "turns": [ 121, 272 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "technical function design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested that they keep the technical functions design simple by using the sen standard since their audience had been reduced to elderly people. Also proposed was that basic functions like numbers, icons or texts to be very clear so it didn\u2019t take a long time to figure out how to use them. 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This would make the remote easier to use since it would be very clear what a button does. User Interface also suggested adding play, pause functions.", "title": "Big Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 7 ], 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "elderly people", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said big and labeled buttons were more convenient for elderly people.", "title": "Big Buttons for Elderly People", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 7 ], 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote controls", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface wanted to keep it simple by using the sen standard on all remote controls. 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For flawless control, they would need a menu button and a navigation button to be integrated with previous or next.", "title": "Simple Remote Controls", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 7 ], [ 101, 102 ], [ 121, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "basic functions", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Some basic functions User Interface could think of were numbers, icons, texts, volumes, favorites, channels and basic on-off. Other proposed basic functions were big buttons that could easily be identified by elderly people.", "title": "Basic Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "basic functions", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Some basic functions User Interface thought of were numbers, icons, texts, volumes, favorites, channels and basic on-off. User Interface suggested using questionnaires on the internet to ask elderly people what basic functions they want on the remote control.", "title": "Basic Functions for Elderly People", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channels", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "One of the functions suggested by the User Interface was channels, to which Industrial Designer sought to clarify whether the button took them back to the channel they had been to before, just like a web browser.", "title": "Button for Previous Channel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 14 ], [ 50, 61 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "channels", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested making a new option to press one button and get your favourite channel. 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Not too full , like uh Jens already said , only ten percent is being used .", "Project Manager : So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , I have it on the next page .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff . Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use , and 'cause you have more room then , and for elderly people big buttons . Uh an icon on it or text on it , so it's very clear what that buttons does . So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it . Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people , elderly people what they use , what they want on a remote control", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : to find out . But there is already in a one done . Of functions I could think of . Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to {gap} . Just one two three etcetera . Uh text service options . Um basic on-off . And I found an uh {disfmarker} Could I think of favourites ? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button and you get on your {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel . So you might as well remember the number . Or not ?", "Project Manager : Maybe i maybe it's too complicated ,", "User Interface : No y", "Project Manager : but not sure {gap} .", "User Interface : Well", "Project Manager : It's a good idea , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it's {disfmarker} It was just a thought . So I'm , I u {disfmarker} I would find it handy , I think , when you just press one button and you get on six six six .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay . But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button ?", "User Interface : Well uh", "Project Manager : Uh {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : what I was reading on the page . Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television . So switch to channel six .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ?", "User Interface : So uh button six says says six . And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row . Just numbers . That can be in the in the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah okay . But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel .", "User Interface : Well if you said a favourite {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but isn't it hard to remember ? Like favourite one and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh mayb for me it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well i", "Project Manager : If I use my telephone , I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never .", "User Interface : Never ? Oh .", "Industrial Designer : No , neither do I .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh are you ?", "Project Manager : And {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay now , m maybe not .", "Project Manager : If I don't do it , maybe old people {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No , maybe elderly people uh . Right .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I dunno .", "User Interface : They don't like new features . So maybe not .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Um well play , pause . I dunno if that's usable", "Project Manager : It's not , it's still not {disfmarker} It's not anymore n uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : when {disfmarker} Not anymore for T_V_ .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : Right , on off . {vocalsound} I dunno , miss {disfmarker} Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ? I couldn't think of any other , 'specially not for T_V_ .", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Just on the front as well . No , that's the only th the only thing you need .", "User Interface : Is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh uh the p uh next and previous . Previous I know , but next channel ?", "User Interface : Just the channel um uh {disfmarker} What I mean is uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I don't thi", "Marketing : Forward .", "Industrial Designer : Li like a web browser ,", "User Interface : Six seven eight or five .", "Industrial Designer : so {disfmarker} Oh , okay .", "Project Manager : Just very simple .", "Industrial Designer : But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before . Like a web browser back button .", "User Interface : Um I dunno .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker} Yeah ,", "User Interface : I don't have {disfmarker} Uh I did {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I know what it is , but I think it's all too difficult for old people . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Marketing : No . Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I don't think you use that . Y only when you want to go to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time .", "Project Manager : And how do you want to uh do it , like if you have a channel above ten ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Normally you can press one , zero or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons . So you have that uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : A ten plus or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , the ten plus button . Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : To just keep it simple and standard uh features .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , w wouldn't it be a problem to uh {disfmarker} Because you h have to be fast enough . Maybe the elderly people {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh yeah mayb", "Marketing : It gets some seconds .", "User Interface : But I think that's in the T_V_ as well . That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it . But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes .", "Industrial Designer : Oh okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , it's it's no it's not a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but that's th mm {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It's what Paul says . It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two . It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : So if you have a universal T_V_ controller , you needed one button that has two uh stripes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So we have a a period of , I dunno , five seconds to press those buttons , and that {disfmarker} And not for elderly people to look , one two uh press and aim and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : But do we still need a two level remote control ? Because if we only have that l only f", "Marketing : It's only for television now .", "User Interface : So I I don't think so .", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : Uh I just thought of another one .", "Marketing : No .", "User Interface : Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So you also need a menu button . And then uh navigation uh {disfmarker} But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : so you have", "Industrial Designer : I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button .", "User Interface : four arrows .", "Industrial Designer : Because you n almost never use menu button .", "User Interface : Yeah , okay ,", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : but um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Maybe it's still still a good idea , I'm not sure . You'll also have to use a mute button to to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , a mute button . Yes .", "Project Manager : Maybe , not {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Don't think so .", "Project Manager : I don't know where where you have to put it .", "User Interface : Yeah well ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : that's that's {disfmarker} I think that's the layers that produce . Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on . What we're gonna use .", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah . Yeah . That's right .", "User Interface : And later we can d uh do the design .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay , uh now my personal preferences . Uh using the standards , basic {disfmarker} Um I think that we should stand out uh unique , being unique with the design . So we have to , I dunno , uh make a different shape than usual . So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging , that it stands out . Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Does it have to be {disfmarker} Uh it has to be uh with different colours", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker} I dunno . Different colours um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Maybe we can give it out in different colours . You can choose blue or yellow", "Project Manager : It's like a iMac or something .", "Marketing : or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Just to make it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well why not ? Or {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : That's fa That's fancy . That's uh fashion .", "Project Manager : But it looks cheap as well , because it's a small thing . It's only twenty five Euros . It looks very cheap if you make it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , maybe you can look at uh mobile phones .", "Project Manager : Oh , you just {disfmarker} I dunno what happened .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : Who ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , we have to look at mobile phones , that's right . Just {disfmarker}", "User Interface : They they're uh designed very well .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : And well basically are the same , just a bit smaller . You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : But uh well , I think that's a good example .", "Project Manager : Okay , {gap}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : we hurry up a bit , because otherwise we won't make it .", "User Interface : Okay , sorry .", "Project Manager : Is it fin Are you finished ?", "User Interface : Well uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , I I'm finished . 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Has anyone got um {vocalsound} a little bit detailed ideas about the shape ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Do you get an idea of the shape ?", "Marketing : I don't , for one .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe like this pen .", "Marketing : A bit bigger I guess , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No , bigger .", "User Interface : A little bit bigger , yeah but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The shape is nice , it's um something different , and we want we want that .", "Industrial Designer : It has to feel nice in your hand .", "Project Manager : Well , I I {vocalsound} I have to say , I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : or I think some {disfmarker} maybe we should {disfmarker} no , that will be too costly .", "User Interface : Oh , uh look {disfmarker} uh look at the pictures .", "Project Manager : We shou we could also , that was a {disfmarker} would also be an idea , but I don't think it {disfmarker} I don't know if it exists already , you should like make Alessi or something design it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay , yeah .", "Project Manager : That would also be nice . But that's gonna {disfmarker} then you c then you don't", "Marketing : Yeah , but {vocalsound} twelve and a half Euros ? Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but then you don't have t yeah it {disfmarker} that's not something i that's in the production cost {disfmarker} {gap} a one {disfmarker} it's a one time , you know {disfmarker} s was {disfmarker} it's a single cost .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , m but but then you can {disfmarker} nah , I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive , because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive .", "Marketing : Yeah , that's true .", "Project Manager : Would be a nice idea though . I don't know . I think it uh has to be a r {gap} it has to have round forms or something . Like something like that or so or so", "Marketing : Something like that is very ergonomic .", "Project Manager : And on th and then uh s a base unit underneath it . It's also round .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Put it in there uh {gap} wire on it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Maybe uh , I don't know , some some lights , a big but well . {gap}", "User Interface : Yeah , flash lights at the side . At the side , or something like that .", "Project Manager : Volume and programme , yeah .", "Marketing : Yes , volume and programme should be there I guess , because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part .", "Project Manager : And some of the extra funct Some of the extra functions over here . Numbers .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , and the numbers on top , I guess .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And and lights ? 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I think we're we're done .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yes , we are .", "Project Manager : We can save this one ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 563, 723 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "developmental state", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A was in that place at first, it was like a developmental state or something like that", "title": "Grad A Talking about Developmental State", "relevant_turns": [ [ 40, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "developmental state", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A; It was here; its developmental state; guess you could get that.", "title": "Grad A Talking About Developmental State", "relevant_turns": [ [ 40, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "good example", "speaker": "Grad F" }, "summary": "Grad F said it was a castle, that had a price of millions of dollars, and it was a good example.", "title": "Grad F Talking About a Good Example", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "good example", "speaker": "Grad F" }, "summary": "Grad F said it was a castle, that had a price of two hundred millions of dollars, not for sale, and that it was a good example, actually.", "title": "Grad F Talking About a Good Example", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lexic", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad A said if it was treated as an example of construal, Grad C answered yes, but not on the lexical level.", "title": "Grad A Question About Lexic and Grad C Answer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lexic", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C said they did not talk about the lexicon, Grad A said if it was an example of construal, Grad C answered yes, but not on the lexical level.", "title": "Grad A Question About Lexicon and Grad C Answer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "metonomy", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E" }, "summary": "Professor E said the old castle was sort of... and Grad C completed saying metonymy, polysemy. Grad C said that the argument was construal still was key when they found any of these things. Professor E said that was a good argument, less metaphor, and more metonymy. Grad C said that it looked in the Heidelberg database for cases of metonymy.", "title": "Professor E and Grad A Talking About Metonymy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 102, 119 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "metonomy", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E" }, "summary": "Professor E said the old castle one was sort of and Grad C said metonymy, polysemy, and the argument did become even if it was not the most metaphorical domain. Professor E agreed and said it was more metonymy. 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So", "Grad F : Yeah , I think that 's a good example , actually .", "Grad C : S", "Grad A : Yeah , that 's good . u", "Grad C : But as Nancy just su suggested it 's probably ellipticus .", "Grad A : Ellipsis .", "Grad C : Huh .", "Grad A : Like , \" it \" doesn't refer to \" thing , \" it refers to acti you know , j thing standing for activ most relevant activity for a tourist {disfmarker} you could think of it that way , but .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Well , shoot , isn't that {disfmarker} I mean , that 's what {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Well , I mean , my argument here is {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's the same thing as \" Plato 's on the top shelf , \"", "Grad F : figuring that out is what this is about .", "Grad A : Yeah , yeah , no , I I agree .", "Grad C : I 'm con you know , th that you can refer to a book of Plato by using \" Plato , \"", "Grad A : Yeah . No no , I {disfmarker} I 'm agreeing that this is a good , um {disfmarker}", "Grad C : and you can refer back to it , and so you can {disfmarker} Castles have {disfmarker} as tourist sites , have admission fees , so you can say \" Where is the castle , how much does it cost ? \" Um . \" How far is it from here ? \"", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : So , You 're also not referring to the width of the object , or so ,", "Grad A : Hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : www .", "Grad F : Mmm .", "Professor E : OK . Can we think of a nice metaphorical use of \" where \" in the tourist 's domain ? Um .", "Grad F : Hmm .", "Professor E : So you know it 's {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you can sometimes use \" where \" f for \" when \"", "Grad F : O", "Professor E : in the sense of , you know , um , where {disfmarker} wh where {disfmarker} where was , um , \" where was Heidelberg , um , in the Thirty Years ' War ? \" Or something .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : Uh , yeah .", "Professor E : You know , or some such thing . Um .", "Grad F : Like what side were they on ,", "Grad A : What ?", "Professor E : Yeah . Essentially , yeah .", "Grad F : or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad A : OK . I was like , \" Huh ? It was here . \" Like {disfmarker} {comment} Um .", "Professor E : But anyway th so there are {disfmarker} there are cases like that . Um ,", "Grad A : Ah ! Or like its developmental state or something like that , you could {disfmarker} I guess you could get that .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad A : Um .", "Professor E : Um .", "Grad F : I mean , there 's also things like {disfmarker} I mean , s um , I guess I could ask something like \" Where can I find out about blah - blah - blah \" in a sort of {disfmarker} doesn't nece I don't necessarily have to care about the spatial location , just give me a phone number", "Professor E : Yeah . There certainly is that , yeah .", "Grad F : and I 'll call them or something like that ?", "Professor E : You know , \" Where could I learn its opening hours , \" or something .", "Grad F : Yeah .", "Professor E : But that 's not metaphorical .", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Professor E : It 's another {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yeah .", "Professor E : So we 're thinking about , um , or we could also think about , uh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Well , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}", "Professor E : How about \" I 'm in a hurry \" ?", "Grad A : State .", "Professor E : It i But it 's a state {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} the issue is , is that {disfmarker} it may be just a usage ,", "Grad F : Hmm ?", "Professor E : you know , that it 's not particularly metaphorical , I don't know .", "Grad F : Mmm .", "Grad A : Right . So you want a more exotic one {disfmarker} version of that .", "Grad F : Oh .", "Professor E : Yeah . Yeah , right .", "Grad A : I 'm really into {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Ah ! How about I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you know , \" I 'm in {disfmarker} I 'm in a state of exhaustion \" ?", "Grad A : Do you really say that ?", "Professor E : or something like that , which a tourist w Huh ?", "Grad A : Would you really say that ?", "Professor E : A st uh , well , you can certainly say , um , you know , \" I 'm in overload . \" Tu - stur tourists will often say that .", "Grad F : Yeah .", "Grad D : I I 'm really into art .", "Grad A : Yeah , I was gonna say , like {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Uh {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Oh , you can do that ? Really ? Of course that 's {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's definitely a , uh {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Fixed .", "Grad A : A fixed expression , yeah .", "Professor E : that 's a , uh {disfmarker} Right . But . {disfmarker}", "Grad A : There 're too {disfmarker} there 're all sorts of fixed expressions I don't {disfmarker} like uh \" I 'm out of sorts now ! \"", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad A : Like {comment} \" I 'm in trouble ! \"", "Grad C : Well I {disfmarker} when , uh {disfmarker} just f u the data that I 've looked at so far that rec", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : I mean , there 's tons of cases for polysemy .", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad A : Uh - huh .", "Grad C : So , you know , mak re making reference to buildings as institutions , as containers , as build", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad C : you know , whatever . Um , so ib in mus for example , in museums , you know , as a building or as something where pictures hang versus , you know , ev something that puts on exhibits , so forth .", "Professor E : Right . As an institution ,", "Grad C : But {disfmarker}", "Professor E : yeah .", "Grad C : Um .", "Grad A : Why don't you want to use any of those ?", "Grad C : Hmm ?", "Grad A : So y you don't wanna use one that 's {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Yeah , well {disfmarker} No , but this {disfmarker} that 's what I have , you know , started doing .", "Professor E : The castle {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} that old castle one is sort of {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Metonymy , polysemy .", "Grad D : I love Van Gogh .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad A : \" I wanna go see the Van Gogh . \"", "Professor E : Ah !", "Grad F : Oh geez .", "Grad A : Anyway , I 'm sorry .", "Grad C : But I think the argument should be {disfmarker} uh , can be made that , you know , despite the fact that this is not the most met metaphorical domain , because people interacting with HTI systems try to be straightforward and less lyrical ,", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : construal still is , uh , you know , completely , um , key in terms of finding out any of these things , so , um .", "Professor E : Right . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a reasonable point , that it {disfmarker} in this domain you 're gonna get less metaphor and more metonymy .", "Grad C : We , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} I looked {disfmarker} with a student I looked at the entire database that we have on Heidelberg for cases of metonymy .", "Professor E : And polysemy , and stuff like that . Yeah .", "Grad C : Hardly anything . So not even in descriptions w did we find anything , um , relevant .", "Grad F : I have to go .", "Professor E : Alright . Yeah .", "Grad C : But OK this is just something we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll see , um ,", "Professor E : Right . s See you .", "Grad C : and deal with .", "Professor E : OK , well . I guess if anybody has additional suggestions ,", "Grad C : I mean maybe the \" where is something \" question as a whole , you know , can be construed as , u i locational versus instructional request .", "Professor E : w Yeah .", "Grad C : So , if we 're not talk about the lexic", "Grad A : Location versus what ?", "Grad C : instruction .", "Grad A : Instruction . Oh , directions ? Yeah .", "Professor E : Sure .", "Grad A : Oh , I thought that was {disfmarker} definitely treated as an example of construal .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Grad A : Right ?", "Grad C : Yeah but then you 're not on the lexical level , that 's sort of one level higher .", "Grad A : Oh , you want a lexical example .", "Grad C : But I don't need it .", "Professor E : Well , you might want both .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : Yeah .", "Grad C : Also it would be nice to get {disfmarker} ultimately to get a nice mental space example ,", "Professor E : We {disfmarker}", "Grad C : so , even temporal references are {disfmarker} just in the spatial domain are rare .", "Professor E : But it 's {disfmarker} it 's easy to make up plausible ones .", "Grad C : When {disfmarker} when you 're getting information on objects .", "Professor E : You know .", "Grad C : So , I mean {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Right , you know {disfmarker} you know , where r Yeah . What color was this in {disfmarker} in in the nain nineteenth century .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : What was this p instead of {disfmarker} wh what {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} how was this painted , what color was this painted , um , was this alleyway open .", "Grad C : Yeah , maybe we can include that also in our second , uh , data run .", "Professor E : Uh .", "Grad C : We c we can show people pictures of objects and then have then ask the system about the objects and engage in conversation on the history and the art and the architecture and so forth .", "Professor E : Mm - hmm . OK . So why don't we plan to give you feedback electronically . Wish you a good trip . All success .", "Grad D : For some reason when you said \" feedback electronically \" I thought of that {disfmarker} you ever see the Simpsons where they 're {disfmarker} like the family 's got the buzzers and they buzz each other when they don't like what the other one is saying ?", "Grad A : Yeah . That 's the {disfmarker} first one , I think . The very very first one .", "Grad D : It was a very early one . I don't know if it 's the first one .", "Grad A : Mmm . Mmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 63, "turns": [ 138, 193 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "certain darkness", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing , User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager had an idea, it was that the control remote had a light sensor that was activated in certain darkness, then it sent some signal, and it could be a light signal or a beep, then said that they discussed that later, Marketing and User Interface agreed, Industrial Designer agreed and said probably yes.", "title": "Team Idea About Light Sensor Activated by Certain Darkness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "certain darkness", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing , User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the idea was maybe that at the minute that control was in certain darkness, the light sensors were activated whether that was a light signal or a beep.", "title": "Team Idea About Light Sensor Activated by Certain Darkness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "newspaper", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing said people lost the remote, Project Manager said that maybe it was under a newspaper or behind a plant, which was a light sensor.", "title": "How People Lost their Control Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 12 ], 29 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "newspaper", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing; I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them. They can't find it; Project Manager; because they put a newspaper; a sweater is on top or behind a plant; it's like in a dark spot; a light sensor.", "title": "How People Lost their Control Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 12 ], 29 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : I think another thing that would help is um if it beeps when you clap ,", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : because I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them . They can't find it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} That is true ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : because they put a newspaper or they put it behind a plant or , we you know , whatever .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And and they {disfmarker} suddenly the phone rings and they want to turn the T_V_ off and they say , where the hell is my {vocalsound} my remote control yeah ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well or yeah or if it's really , if it's really in a dark spot that it gives out a a sound or a signal .", "Marketing : So some {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , some beep or something like that ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Or a b", "Marketing : Uh so , so it's really the beep or , or a light should blink .", "Industrial Designer : so that we can go {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So if lost {disfmarker} If lost uh signal with b throw signal , you know .", "User Interface : Should ha", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : A fluorescent signal , yeah .", "Marketing : Mm 'kay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , maybe it should have a light so that we can , we can just recognise where it is .", "Project Manager : Exactly , I mean just {vocalsound} that's what I'm saying .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah . May not be beep .", "Project Manager : I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light .", "Marketing : And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond {disfmarker} what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ?", "Project Manager : Okay , my {disfmarker} my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it {disfmarker} a light s sensors , you know ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : In in that moment it has a sensor , i it it gets a certain darkness , it ge has a sensor and it gives out a signal whether that be a light signal or a beep ,", "Marketing : Okay so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : I mean , that we can discuss that later , you know .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , probably {disfmarker} yeah , probably it's a {disfmarker} yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . And uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So the light sensor would activate the signal .", "Project Manager : That's right . You know there would be {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : right you have to have some kind of sensor and I I think uh voice or clapping it's not specific enough . Uh I know there are the lamps and stuff , you know , you can clap on and off ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : but I think they only work to certain degree and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But it could be someplace really obvious and you still wouldn't be able to find it .", "Project Manager : What with {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , of course , that didn't {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Then , in that case {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well , because you're s because you're silly . Because people are silly .", "Industrial Designer : I i we can't do it .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah well , but then those people {disfmarker} we can't help everybody . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I mean it could be on {disfmarker} well , i if it were like on top of your bookcase and you usually kept it on the coffee table", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : um {vocalsound} ,", "Project Manager : Okay we have uh {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 28, "turns": [ 45, 206 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product appearance", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface introduced the product appearance as having two basic colors as well as two basic shapes and made from clay and designed to look like a mushroom. User interface highlighted the three distinct features of the product appearance.", "title": "Features of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product appearance", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User interface presented a prototype of the product made of clay, with colors, yellow and red, and two basic shapes a circle and a triangle, highlighting the key features such as a fuzzy design. A circle channel selection and a stable triangular base designed to look like a mushroom.", "title": "Features of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "basic color , product appearance", "speaker": "user interface" }, "summary": "User interface thought of choosing yellow because of it being one of the company colors and red because of its attractive nature.", "title": "Reasons for Product Color Choice", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "basic color , product appearance", "speaker": "user interface" }, "summary": "User interface chose yellow color because it represents the company color and red because of its attractive nature.", "title": "Reasons for Product Color Choice", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "shape , product appearance", "speaker": "marketing , user interface designer" }, "summary": "Marketing disagreed with the shape of the product because the ideally there was fruit and vegetable shape instead of mushroom shape in the trends.", "title": "Reason for Shape of the Product Disagreement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 42, 161 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "shape , product appearance", "speaker": "marketing , user interface designer" }, "summary": "You see the shape of the buttons its a mushroom; Everything's mushroom. Mushroom design; because mushroom was not in the trends; there were fruits; But a mushroom anyway, so its fine.", "title": "Reason for Shape of the Product Disagreement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 161 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Yep . Okay . Okay . {vocalsound} So , this is our product or prototype . This is made by clay .", "Project Manager : Looks strange . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh the basic colour is uh yellow and red . Yellow is uh our company colour ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : uh red it's uh is more attractive . So we used two basic colour , yellow and red . And the shape , there's two basic shape . The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : It's {disfmarker} we call it a mushroom design .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's looks like some mushroom , so we call it mushroom design .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So this is a introduction of our product .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Genetically modified mushroom I will say , but", "User Interface : Next a mo", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {disfmarker} keep on speaking .", "User Interface : yeah , so next slide . So there are several key features of our pr prototype . The first is that it is fuzzy . I'm sure this would be the unique design the market .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , yeah I'm sure {vocalsound} . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Maybe , I hope so . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , so it's a fuzzy design , and a unique design .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's true .", "User Interface : Um , and uh the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection . In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle , so we can turn this ball to t to select channel .", "Project Manager : Chan", "User Interface : So it's quite convenient for user to use it .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay , but don't touch {disfmarker} don't destroy your prototype . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , s {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : okay . Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base . Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable , so uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it . So it's v Um , you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there's some cute button . You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Everything's mushroom . So we can call our remote control the mushroom .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah , everything's mushroom . Mush Mushroom design , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh {vocalsound} like lemon shape , you know , centre {vocalsound} is yellow and t d", "User Interface : Yeah", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , th that's why if you put it in the table , be careful , somebody will eat it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : To integrate , you know {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't think {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I hope nobody will eat it {gap} You know , to integrate the fruit aspect , you know the {vocalsound} the {vocalsound} in", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : Yeah", "Marketing : Yeah , because mushroom was not in the trends . I mean there was fruits {disfmarker} yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Fruits and vegetables .", "Industrial Designer : Really ? But {disfmarker} Fruit and vegetable ,", "Project Manager : Vegetables . Mushroom is a vegetable .", "Industrial Designer : so mushroom was a kind of you know {gap} uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : I don't think it is .", "Project Manager : It's vegetable .", "Industrial Designer : Mushroom ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , uh I'm not sure . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So th it's something eatable .", "Industrial Designer : We can {disfmarker} it's a veg a kind of vegetable ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but you know we we integrated them with different colour .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway , so it's fine .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable {gap} you know . This , you know , very enlighted colours , you know .", "Marketing : No , I mean , yeah {vocalsound} yeah . Inspira inspiration is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And inspired colour", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and {vocalsound} and very sophisticated material , so .", "Marketing : True .", "Industrial Designer : And so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Next slide .", "User Interface : Uh , no this our only two slides . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Project Manager : Looks like more fruit . Maybe a pineapple ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but you don't have any button now .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah . I dunno .", "Project Manager : And you know , you have the finger here , with the buttons ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's uh yeah , is that {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : that's a good idea .", "Marketing : Yeah , it's getting {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It looks {vocalsound} more like a pineapple .", "Industrial Designer : So that's great . {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 75, "turns": [ 35, 118 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote , interface design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that as an interface designer they needed to give more emphasis on the interface, and how the remote looks so that it would be sellable and be attractive to customers. Adding that the most important feature to have in the remote would be the speech recognition feature designed so that one could record their own voices.", "title": "User Interface Suggestions for Remote Interface Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote , interface design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that as an interface designers they needed to give more emphasis on the interface, and how the remote looks so that it would be sellable and be attractive to customers. Also added that the remote could have nine numbers and buttons for different functions like swapping a button, buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume, buttons for giving subtitles for a particular program that was going on television, a mute button, and buttons that could control features like the color, color of the picture, the contrast, sharpness, brightness of the picture. Also added that the most important feature to have in the remote would be the speech recognition feature. A very simple interface that has all the important features.", "title": "User Interface Suggestions for Remote Interface Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interface design , different types , interface , slides", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said there were several remote interfaces including a voice recognizer, multi-purpose use which could be used for TV, cable satellite, VCR, DVDs, and audio, another interface was child use, the big oversized remote, and the jumbo universal remote. Marketing said they needed to narrow it down a little more.", "title": "Opinions on the Different Interface Types", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interface design , different types , interface , slides", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface; sometimes the user finds it very difficult to recognise which button is for what function and all that. So you can design an interface which is very simple, and which is user-friendly; this is one of the interface or one of the remotes which has this voice recogniser; this has multi-purpose use; this is an interface for a remote which a child can use; this is a big over-sized remote which cannot be misplaced or it's impossible to misplace; this is a jumbo universal remote control and it's impossible to misplace or lose; Marketing; we're gonna have to narrow it down a little more; I don't think that we can get The T-shape is good, the child one is good, the too big to misplace, I think it's just funny; I don't think that's gonna be our impulse purchase at the checkout counter; it's gonna be a little bit too unwieldy; Project Manager; think the these are her presentations, but uh as far as the decision making we getting to that after", "title": "Opinions on the Different Interface Types", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channels", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the function of a remote was to send messages to the television which could be switch on-off message or switch to next channel message or swapping the channels or switching onto a particular channel like you could have the numbers one, two, three, four, up to nine. Project Manager asked if it was nine channels or switches and the User Interface replied nine numbers and then have swapping button to swap the channels to the next one.", "title": "Types of Remote Messages to the Television", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "channels", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface said the message could be swapping the channels or switching onto a particular channel, like you could have the numbers one, two, three, four, up to nine. Project Manager asked nine channels or switches. User Interface said nine numbers.", "title": "Types of Remote Messages to the Television", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Now as an interface designer , I would give more emphasis on the interface , how the remote looks like so that it is sellable , it is attractive to customers . Next , please . Okay . Now the function of a remote is to send messages to the television . This messages could be uh switch on-off message or switch to next channel message or swapping the channels or switching onto a particular channel , like you can have the numbers one , two , three , four , up to nine .", "Project Manager : Nine what ? Nine channel uh switches ?", "User Interface : Pardon me ?", "Project Manager : Nine channel switches ? Is {disfmarker} Yeah . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes , nine numbers . And then you have swapping of uh button", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : by which {disfmarker} using which you can swap the channels if you don't want to see the third channel you can swap it to the fourth channel or vice versa . Then it should have a next button , and next button channel by which you can keep on uh v uh mm eh scrolling the channels one by one .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Going to the nex next .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Next slide , please .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Then you should have a button which should which ca which can be used for increasing or decreasing the volume .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Then , there should be a button which can give subtitles for a particular program which is going on a television . For example , if you are watching a French program and you would like to have a subtitles in English , then there should be a channel which can trigger this mechanism in the television so that the user can see uh the {gap} the subtitles on the screen .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Then there should d uh there should be some buttons which can control features like the colour , colour of the picture , the contrast , sharpness , brightness of the picture . Now there should be a memory switch . There should be a mute button . Suddenly if if if uh uh viewer he gets a telephone call , and if he want he doesn't want to switch off the uh T_V_ , but he he can reduce the sound , he can bring the volume down and he can watch {disfmarker} he can uh {disfmarker} while talking he can watch the T_V_ . Now the most important feature I would like to have in my remote would be the speech recognition feature . It's an integrated progra programmable sample sensor speaker unit . So a remote can be th can be uh designed which can have the voice recognisers , you can record your own voice", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : which can be recognised by as voice recogniser in the television , for example , if you want to see {disfmarker} we if you want to see the ninth channel if you say just say ninth channel , uh th now the the {disfmarker} uh yeah , the remote will {disfmarker} automatically it will switch to the ninth channel .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So the T_V_ will have some recogniser which will recognise the user's voice and accordingly it will change its functionalities .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So this is one of the very important feature a remote control can have . So this is one one of the interface which can be created .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : A very simple interface which has all the t uh uh important features .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Then , please , next slide .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Then , these are some of the remotes which are different in shape and colour , but they have many buttons .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So uh sometimes the user finds it very difficult to recognise which button is for what function and all that . So you can you can design an interface which is very simple , and which is user-friendly . Even a kid can use that .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So can you go on t t uh to the next slide . Yeah , so this is one of the interface or one of the remote which has this vi voice recogniser .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And this has multi-purpose use , it can be used for T_V_ , it can be used for cable-satellite , it can be used for V_C_R_ , D_V_D_s and audio . And this has in-built voice recogniser .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Can you go on to the next slide ? Yeah , now this is an interface for a chil uh for a remote uh uh which a child can use .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Uh this is user-friendly , it's very attractive and uh children can use it as well as they can play with it . And this comes with different colours , different shapes .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And this this uh child uh interface has minimum buttons", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and all the important uh buttons are there in this small , compact , attractive child interface . Next slide , please . Now this is a big over-sized remote which cannot be misplaced or it's impossible to misplace .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : You don't know me .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} {gap} this . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I could lose that in a minute . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So this is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No this is a very big , you cannot {vocalsound} misplace it anywhere .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So this is a jumbo universal remote control and it's impossible to im misplace or lose . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : This i this is one such interface which can be created . {vocalsound} And the personal preference {vocalsound} uh would be a spe uh uh to incorporate speech recognisers uh which will respond to user's voice for a particular uh function .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Right .", "User Interface : Thank you , that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Okay , thank you very much . Uh any comments on uh her presentation ?", "Marketing : Well , um looks like we still have quite a choice of things out there .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um what uh {vocalsound} I'm {disfmarker} No suggestion's bad .", "User Interface : Mm yes .", "Marketing : But uh we're gonna have to narrow it down a little more . I don't think that we can get uh {disfmarker} The T-shape is good , the child one is good , the too big to misplace , I think it's just funny .", "User Interface : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um I don't think that's gonna be our impulse purchase at the checkout counter .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , I I th I think {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay . {gap} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's it's gonna be a little bit too unwieldy .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No , I think the these are her presentations , but uh as far as the decision making we getting to that after after", "Marketing : Yeah mm . Mm-hmm . Have to come back to that later . Okay .", "User Interface : We can .", "Project Manager : but if {disfmarker} I just wanted to know whether anybody had any any anything to add to her presentation .", "Marketing : No , I think her presentation was good , and she really explored all the options . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm right . Mm-hmm . Ho who wants to go next um ? Mm-hmm . Okay ," ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 45, 60 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "receiver", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the last part was the receiver, which was important in the system, but it was not part of the remote itself, because it was located on the television. Then Industrial Designer started to draw on the board. At last Industrial Designer said that the sender sends a message to the receiver.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Receiver", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 8 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "receiver", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; the last part is receiver which is important in the system; not actually part of the remote itself; because that's obviously found in the television; Industrial Designer; have to actually draw on the board; this is how the basic system work; press that that sends the message to the chip; interprets which button you've pressed; message to the sender; That's the remote in itself; this is the uh user interface; chip itself, which then; the infra-red sender; the separate thing we have on; television we have a receiver; And the sender sends a message to the receiver.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Receiver", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 8 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "power supply", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said it was great, they started off with a power supply, and that was going to be the battery. They had a particular button, but there were lots of different buttons, and that's how the basic system works, it got asked if the top bit was the power source, and it said yes, that battery was the best option.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Power Supply", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "power supply", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; we start; a power supply; probably gonna be the battery; have a particular button; lots of different buttons; this is how the basic system works; that's the power source; to personal preferences; battery seems the best; for the actual remote; because of the size; don't want a cable attached to the remote; it's not really a remote.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Power Supply", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Hopefully that should be it this time . Okay , I think we're there . That's good . Okay , um {disfmarker} Okay I'm gonna be looking at the working design . Um {vocalsound} of the of the remote control . Um I've just got three sections , first is the research I made on the on the remote control itself um . And then that involves the components required in it and the systems uh design of the actual the actual remote . Um so having researched the existing models within the market , um I found my research off the internet . Um I've established what the components required for the remote control to function , actually are . And then also the methods in which these components interact together for the remote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with the television . Um the basic components are an energy source which I guess um in most existing models would be a battery supply . Whether that'll be sort of two batteries , four batteries , um it may vary .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : We then have the user interface , which is basically the like the the buttons on the actual remote . Um the various functions used for changing channel , uh channel up and down , volume , things like that . Um there's also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things . And then the sender , which um is usually , I've found , an infra-red device which sends a signal to the actual television . Um and the last part is receiver which is important in the system but is not actually part of the remote itself , because that's obviously found in the television . {gap} . Um I'm gonna have to actually draw on the board because uh it was a little tricky on PowerPoint to get this working , so . I'll just go through there . S um um do we have a cloth to wipe this down with , or ? Oh I'll j", "Project Manager : Uh there's the rubber on the right , I think .", "User Interface : I think it's that little {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh I see . Oh okay . I'll get rid of the bear.$", "Project Manager : {gap} it's magic . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay that's great . Okay , so we start off with a um battery suppl Uh no , a power supply which we'd probably get {disfmarker} it's probably gonna be the battery . Um we then have a particular button , which may be {disfmarker} {gap} that's obviously there's lots and lots of different buttons . Um but this is how the basic system works . Um that sends {gap} after you press that that sends the message to the chip , which um then sends {disfmarker} It sort of interprets which button you've pressed and then sends the appropriate message to the sender . {vocalsound} Um . So that's {gap} . That's the remote in itself , that's the components of the remote and how they work together . So this is the uh user interface . Um this is the chip itself , which then {gap} , and that's the that's the infra-red sender . And then on the separate thing we have on the on the television we have a a receiver . And the sender sends a message to the receiver . 'Kay .", "Project Manager : So the the top bit's the power source , yes ? {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Ah yes , that's the power source . Um . {gap} going on to personal preferences , I've said that battery seems the best option for the actual remote , just because of the size . You don't want a a cable attached to the remote otherwise it's not it's not really a remote . Um and then the sender ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and infra-red um has been used quite successfully . If the battery's on reasonable power , they always seem to work fairly well . You don't have to be point directly at the television itself .", "Project Manager : So the battery is the {disfmarker} in the sender .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker} Yes . 'Kay and that's it for the moment .", "Marketing : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 20, 30 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "act , bill , achieved", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM stated that the Act and Bill achieved goals by providing HEFCW with a range of new powers of intervention and sanctions in the case of non-compliance by institutions and allowed them to successfully see all institutions sign up to become living wage employers. Kirsty Williams AM said that all institutions were signing up for the Welsh Government's code of ethical procurement then.", "title": "Achievements of the Act and the Bill", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "act , bill , achieved", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM clearly explained that the Act and Bill were introduced partly to address the shift in the influence that HEFCW would be able to exert over institutions through the imposition of terms and conditions of funding and thus, achieved goals by providing HEFCW with a range of new powers of intervention and sanctions in the case of non-compliance by institutions. So, it was a direct result of the changing scenario around finance. Kristy Williams AM went on to say that through the Act and remit letter, they had been able to successfully see all institutions sign up to become living wage employers, with all institutions signing up to the Welsh Government's code of ethical procurement. This changed how people working in the sector were paid.", "title": "Milestones of the Act and Bill", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "act , bill , improved", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM shared that the Act could be improved by making tertiary institutions contribute to national goals, civic mission. Kirsty Williams AM added that the Bill would ensure tertiary education providers contributed to national outcomes by being given very clear expectations by the commission. Kirsty Williams AM said the Bill was also to improve the Act by strengthening the sector to enhance closer collaboration through providing a framework that demanded and encouraged collaboration between different higher education and across the sector.", "title": "Improvements on the Act and the Bill", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "act , bill , improved", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM, how, HE Act addressed, beyond the levers offered by fee and access plans. Kirsty Williams AM, the Act; introduced in part to address, shift in influence, also has provided HEFCW with a range of new powers of intervention and sanctions; any legislation, bring forward, any commission, establish, empowered to enable that to happen through its regulatory and funding powers; tertiary education providers should contribute to national goals; concerned about, how people working in the sector, paid, civic mission; opportunities, because of the change in financial circumstances, to look at that in any forthcoming legislation. Janet Finch-Saunders AM; the HE Act, the HE Act, missed opportunity, how, taken forward in the PCET Bill. Kirsty Williams AM, strengthen, sector by closer collaboration, encourages collaboration and co-operation, introduce the new PCET reforms, collaboration, different higher education institutes, across the sector; prime opportunity, create a framework that demands and encourages collaboration, create a system that allows for a seamless passage for students to move between the different parts of post-compulsory education.", "title": "Improvements on the Act and the Bill", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 8 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. Okay, we're going to move on now to some questions about the level of ambition in the higher education Act and any lessons for the PCET Bill, from Janet Finch-Saunders.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. To what extent has the 2012 university funding system limited Welsh Government\u2019s policy leverage over the sector, and how has the HE Act addressed this beyond the levers offered by fee and access plans?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Of course, the Act was introduced as a direct result of the changing scenario around finance and the different ways in which, because of the reduction in HEFCW's budget, the level of influence that HEFCW would be able to exert over institutions through the imposition of terms and conditions of funding\u2014. So, the Act was introduced in part to address that shift in influence and the Act also has provided HEFCW with a range of new powers of intervention and sanctions in the case of non-compliance by institutions. Personally,\u00a0I wholeheartedly believe that tertiary education providers should contribute to national goals and outcomes as part of what I'd describe as a civic mission. I'm determined that any legislation that I bring forward and any commission that I establish will be empowered to enable that to happen through its regulatory and funding powers. Of course, the funding situation has shifted again now because of the introduction of what is commonly known as the Diamond reforms, but our new system of student finance does again shift the parameters of influence that HEFCW or any new tertiary commission could have. But, as I said earlier, it's not to say that institutions have had a free reign. We have been able to use the remit letter and our relationship with HEFCW to progress agendas that we would want to see. So, for instance, you'll be aware, in my remit letter, I am concerned about issues around how people working in the sector are paid. We've been able to successfully see all institutions sign up to becoming living wage employers, all institutions sign up to the Welsh Government's code of ethical procurement. So, it's not to say that the Act has meant that we've had no influence, but there are opportunities now, because of the change in financial circumstances once again, to look at that in any forthcoming legislation.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you, Minister. Do you share HEFCW's views on the benefits of having national targets to get institutions to address national priorities? Is this something you wish you could do?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, it's not something I wish I could do; I think that we're doing it. Self-praise is no recommendation, but, because of the working relationship that we have, I think we're seeing some success in using the remit letter to influence national outcomes. So, I've just talked about living wage; we're also using our remit letter to drive transparency over senior leaders' pay, the gender pay gap within institutions. For instance, as part of this Government's commitment to improving mental health, we've been able to use the remit letter and some funding to be able to drive change and some improvements in mental health in the higher education sector. These are national priorities and we're acting upon them and we're using the multiple levers we have at the moment to engage in universities. And, I have to say, universities have risen to that challenge, and I'm very grateful to them for doing that.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. Are there plans to give the proposed new PCET funding body more effective policy levers to align the sector to the social, economic and civic needs of Wales? And, if so, how will this be done?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, as I said in answer earlier, I'm determined that we ensure a sense of civic mission for the entirety of the sector, including our institutes of higher education. You'll be aware, Janet, that, in the consultation exercises that have been undertaken by the Government so far on PCET reform, we will be introducing more formal outcome agreements, whereby institutions might be given by the commission very clear expectations of how they're expected to contribute to national priorities.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thanks. We've heard that the HE Act, by focusing on individual institutions, did not encourage collaboration, even for widening access activity. Was this a missed opportunity and how will this be taken forward in the PCET Bill?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think we can strengthen our sector by closer collaboration. I think what sets us apart in Wales is that this Government is determined to create a legislative regime and a regulation regime that encourages collaboration and co-operation, which is in stark contrast to the marketisation and the competition that we see being regulated for and legislated for across the border in England. That's one of the reasons why we are going to introduce the new PCET reforms\u2014to create collaboration, not just between different higher education institutes but actually across the sector. So, this is a prime opportunity where we can create a framework that demands and encourages collaboration, not just, as I said, in between individual institutions but across the entirety of the sector. We're doing that because that means we can avoid duplication, we can fill gaps that there currently are and we can create a system that allows for a seamless passage for students to move between the different parts of post-compulsory education that are currently available, where, sometimes, those students find barriers.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, Janet?", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you\u2014that's great, thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 28, "turns": [ 143, 538 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group evaluated three different features of the new remote controller using a one to seven scale, where one was true and seven was false, the first one was the fancy look that obtained a three, the second was technologically innovative that obtained a two and the last one was the easy-to-use feature that obtained a four, the final average was nine over three, so they accepted the project.", "title": "Remote Controller's Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 7, [ 14, 18 ], [ 105, 117 ], [ 137, 156 ], [ 356, 373 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing, measure how good; three, key points, for this remote control design; first one was, fancy look and feel. Try to judge this feature, with a one to seven scale; one being true, and seven being false. Industrial Designer, two or three; Project Manager, three; Marketing, three. Marketing, the other criterion, technologically, innovative. Industrial Designer, microphone array embedded; good. Marketing, another really good point. Industrial Designer, technically, acceptable. Project Manager, maybe two. Marketing, using the same scale. Agree. Marketing, last one, to judge, easy to use. Industrial Designer, four, more reasonable. Marketing, so, average? Industrial Designer, nine over three.", "title": "Remote Controller's Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 7, [ 14, 18 ], [ 105, 117 ], [ 137, 156 ], [ 356, 373 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design , technologically innovative", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group said the design was technologically innovative because it had microphones embedded that recognized vocal comments from different directions.", "title": "Remote Controller Is Technologically Innovative", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 142 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design , technologically innovative", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Talking about the other criterion, the group said the new controller design was technologically innovative because of the microphone array, it had four microphones embedded that could capture voices from different directions that could recognize simple vocal comments, and it also had tactile buttons.", "title": "Remote Controller Is Technologically Innovative", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 142 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disagree , easy , use , controller", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing and Industrial Designer said voice command was easy to use, but disagreed with User Interface because it was not the best feature of the controller.", "title": "Easy to Use Remote Controller", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 163 ], [ 168, 172 ], [ 177, 182 ], [ 188, 192 ], 208, [ 212, 214 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "disagree , easy , use , controller", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing and Industrial Designer agreed voice command was easy to use but disagreed with Interface User because it was not the best way to jump from channel one to twenty, so Marketing asked how intuitive it was to turn things to change channels, User Interface explained it depended on the angle people turned the controller, and it would depend on how many channels people had.", "title": "Easy to Use Remote Controller", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 163 ], [ 168, 172 ], [ 177, 182 ], [ 188, 192 ], 208, [ 212, 214 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scale , fancy , technologically innovative", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing explained a scale to evaluate the remote controller's features, the group discussed fancy and technologically innovative.", "title": "Marketing Product Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 7, [ 11, 14 ], 18, [ 22, 31 ], 117, 133 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scale , fancy , technologically innovative", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing was asked the group to judge the remote controller's features like how fancy and technologically innovative it was, using a scale from one to seven. They said it had a unique shape like a fruit and nice colours, Marketing explained the second criterion was technologically innovative with the voice command and the microphone array embedded.", "title": "Marketing Product Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 7, [ 11, 14 ], 18, [ 22, 31 ], 117, 133 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "microphone array , tactile buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if it would be feasible to have a microphone embedded, and then realized it had four microphones that could recognize simple vocal comments from different directions, also it had tactile buttons, they agreed to evaluate with two in the one to seven scales.", "title": "Remote Controller Technology", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 121 ], [ 126, 131 ], [ 135, 137 ], [ 142, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "microphone array , tactile buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager gave it a two because of the microphone array and tactile buttons.", "title": "Remote Controller Technology", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 121 ], [ 126, 131 ], [ 135, 137 ], [ 142, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "easy , vocal command", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing wanted to evaluate if the remote controller was easy to use, User Interface said the vocal command was ok. Gesture command still looked complicated.", "title": "Voice Command and Gesture Command", "relevant_turns": [ 153, [ 156, 159 ], [ 168, 169 ], [ 182, 185 ], [ 191, 192 ], [ 199, 201 ], [ 213, 216 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "easy , vocal command", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing said the most critical feature to judge was if the remote controller was easy to use, User Interface said the vocal command was easy and mentioned the gesture command to change the channel just by turning the remote, Marketing asked how intuitive it was because it seemed complicated if people wanted to go from channel one to twenty.", "title": "Voice Command and Gesture Command", "relevant_turns": [ 153, [ 156, 159 ], [ 168, 169 ], [ 182, 185 ], [ 191, 192 ], [ 199, 201 ], [ 213, 216 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "zapping , channel", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said voice command was useful when people know the channel they wanted to watch, but gesture command could be used when people were zapping from one channel to the other, and maybe they would stop if there was something interesting to see.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion on Gesture Command", "relevant_turns": [ [ 217, 227 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "zapping , channels", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager, when, zapping, changing from one channel to the other; decided to go to channel twenty, say channel twenty, but if, want to do zapping, don't really know, want to do.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion on Gesture Command", "relevant_turns": [ [ 217, 227 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project , prototype", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The group agreed on giving a four on the easy-to-use feature, so the final evaluation for the prototype was nine over three, Project Manager said the project was accepted and expressed the desire of having a fruitful remote control.", "title": "Final Project Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 353, 362 ], [ 370, 378 ], [ 384, 386 ], [ 388, 391 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "project , prototype", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the project was accepted, the final evaluation was nine over three, and wanted to transform the prototype into a pineapple.", "title": "Final Project Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 353, 362 ], [ 370, 378 ], [ 384, 386 ], [ 388, 391 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : so , mister money , what's your opinion according to this remote control ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I mean , we gonna try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about {disfmarker} uh", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : we had three keys {disfmarker} {vocalsound} key points to uh for this remote control design ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and first one was uh", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : fancy look and feel .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale , one being uh no , I think .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh just let me check .", "Industrial Designer : So , four point {disfmarker} three point five , it means it's acceptable .", "Marketing : One one being true , and seven being false . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Oops .", "Marketing : Ouch . So", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Do we have a fancy look and feel , according to you ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I think so .", "Industrial Designer : I think you have nice colours . {vocalsound} I don't {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But is it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The sha the bowl shape people like .", "User Interface : Yeah , the shape is unique , and the colour {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh I'll agree it's unique , but is it really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Is it really fancy ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So it depend on how d do you define fancy .", "Marketing : Yeah I mean , fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But it's {disfmarker} you have the lemon aspect of this th this {vocalsound} this thing . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Maybe if you change {disfmarker} if you take the buttons out , and maybe do things like that {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Do Don't do that , please .", "Marketing : I dunno where the lemon is , but", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I it's it's i this shape is a lemon like , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I mean it's not obvious .", "Project Manager : It would be bet more like a lemon ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : If {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Because i", "Marketing : I dunno , maybe improving the texture of like having it less smooth or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Less button .", "User Interface : Uh so , my mush {disfmarker} .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : Looks like more fruit . Maybe a pineapple ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but you don't have any button now .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah . I dunno .", "Project Manager : And you know , you have the finger here , with the buttons ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's uh yeah , is that {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : that's a good idea .", "Marketing : Yeah , it's getting {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It looks {vocalsound} more like a pineapple .", "Industrial Designer : So that's great . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Sorry .", "Industrial Designer : That's great . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : What's the use for that ?", "Industrial Designer : I have no idea , so . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh , for turn turn the ball . If you want to turn the ball , it's very it's very convenient for you to to to turn the ball to change the channel .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I have no idea {vocalsound} what {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} And where is the voice recognition ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Uh . Ah , it's embedded , your microphone .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Th this th th there's two two functions .", "Marketing : Yeah , that's {disfmarker} Wait th that's the second point .", "User Interface : This is microphone array {disfmarker}", "Marketing : First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel .", "Industrial Designer : If it is fancy or not .", "Project Manager : Okay . Is it better like that ?", "Marketing : I mean {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Looks {disfmarker} okay ,", "Industrial Designer : So we can we can say t", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : let's say it's a pineapple now . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : The colour , is the colour acceptable ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No , the colour is okay , that's fine .", "Industrial Designer : So the shape now .", "Marketing : I mean it's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It looks like a {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : but I would say there is more {disfmarker} too much red .", "Project Manager : now you took it .", "Industrial Designer : It's too much red ?", "Marketing : Um if", "Industrial Designer : In the basement ?", "Project Manager : It looks like a pineapple with cherry on top .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Right . So , from one to seven ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I will give {disfmarker} I will {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Mm uh {disfmarker} Seven is the ma the maximum ?", "Industrial Designer : I'll gi", "Marketing : No , seven is false and one is true .", "Industrial Designer : I'll give two or three .", "Project Manager : Three , I will say three .", "Industrial Designer : Three , it's okay . Three , three . Three is fine for me .", "Marketing : Three ?", "User Interface : 'Kay", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Isn't it bitter like that {gap} ?", "Marketing : Three .", "User Interface : Yeah yeah yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Then {vocalsound} uh let me {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : What other {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The other criterion is is it technologically uh technologically in innovative .", "Industrial Designer : Is it easy to use ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Feasible ? {vocalsound} You said previously that you {disfmarker} there's um microphone inside an", "Industrial Designer : Ye uh {disfmarker} Embedded .", "User Interface : Yeah , this is microphone array , in fact .", "Industrial Designer : It's a micro array , okay .", "User Interface : There four microphone .", "Project Manager : Oh . Okay ,", "User Interface : So they they they they {disfmarker} there's a microphone array .", "Project Manager : and you have the {disfmarker} there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments ?", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative ?", "User Interface : So you can capture voice {disfmarker} yeah , you c", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , so you can capture s voice from different directions . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And I think you {disfmarker} you've never seen a rou a round remote control , so it is {disfmarker} I", "Marketing : Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno , in the core , or single .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} W Yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We have tactile buttons .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : I see , you have microphone array embedded . You have {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No , that's good . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's good .", "Project Manager : Oh , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , th that's another really good point . Maybe {disfmarker} okay .", "Industrial Designer : I think technically it's acceptable , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Maybe two ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So using the same scale , two ?", "Project Manager : Two ? I would say two", "Industrial Designer : Two , yeah , two . It's it's fine , so .", "Project Manager : . You agree ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I agree .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : It's better like that , isn't it ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Now maybe the most critical one .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Most {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} L last one w I would like to judge is is it easy to use ?", "Industrial Designer : Eh , for th the vocal command yes , it's might be easy . But it's just speaking .", "User Interface : Yeah , it's very easy .", "Industrial Designer : You just need the command .", "User Interface : You can use this in this way .", "Marketing : Yeah but this this turning {disfmarker} can you can you just re explain me the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : As a principle . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Please .", "User Interface : Th this is the base .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So you can turn to change the channel .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah but how how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels ?", "User Interface : You just tu turn d d", "Industrial Designer : I think maybe if you he", "Project Manager : Oh , ok I understand .", "Marketing : Like if you want to go from {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You take take {vocalsound} the remote , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : If you hear some click {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and you can turn like that to change the channel ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah but imagine you y", "Project Manager : I think it's quite easy to so s zapping , but maybe it will be too fast . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to {disfmarker} if you wanna jump from , I dunno , one to twenty ?", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , that's difficult . That's dif that's difficult .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : How can you go directly to twenty , for example ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No , no , no . I {disfmarker} if y uh if {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : it depend on the the angle you turn the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . I agree . I agree .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but y how {disfmarker} you need to know {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But I mean if you're fro from two ?", "User Interface : I if if this is a channel one . So it c it could be channel two , channel three , channel four , channel five .", "Industrial Designer : I think something that {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , you have a {vocalsound} , like that , and so on .", "User Interface : So change . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And you you can {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah .", "User Interface : Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the {disfmarker} by three hundred thirteen degree .", "Marketing : We're not talking {disfmarker} Yeah .", "User Interface : So you got how many degree you you {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think you can if you have a scale , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No no , you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop , the the turn ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : then the angle you stop is the angle you {disfmarker} is the channel you {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one ?", "User Interface : It's it's very easy , because you kn you know how many channel are there in the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So you you count {gap} one degree , two degrees , no .", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah , yeah . You can do it .", "Marketing : I don't think so . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , it's a bit difficult .", "User Interface : I think so {vocalsound} I think so you can do it . {vocalsound} I think so , you can just change .", "Industrial Designer : I think b but the the vocal command is easy too . You can say fifty and fifty it's okay , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah voc vocal command is okay . But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main {disfmarker}", "User Interface : There's uh also a number , you know .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other , so you're passing through all the channels . So , when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's {disfmarker} you've decided to go to channel twenty , so you can say channel twenty , or channel four , because you really want to go on this channel .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , yeah , and y that's {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do , you can turn it .", "Marketing : And this would be more for browsing , ah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . To see uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : yeah {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Seems to be good .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Good choice , mister David Jordan . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , I mean you're famous . You {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : And but I'd {disfmarker}", "User Interface : And also you can , if you i", "Project Manager : {gap} yeah , what's what's this cherry ?", "User Interface : You ca you can turn this . Or you ca you can you can also turn this .", "Industrial Designer : It is a turn off t turn off button , maybe .", "User Interface : For this you can tune it's for tune . You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two , you you skip this . If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's like fine , from coarse to fine .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : This is coarse , this is fine .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah yeah . That's", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So it's coarse to fine design .", "Industrial Designer : that's very technologic , so . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay the uh th this looks better . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah is is {disfmarker} this is , from one channel to maybe to ten channel .", "Industrial Designer : S But I di I didn't see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates", "User Interface : This is from one channel to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : maybe one of the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , th you have the vocal commands .", "Industrial Designer : Uh it's k {gap}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : On off .", "Industrial Designer : on off , yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , but it has to be on to recognise fas", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Most of the time you have the {disfmarker} yeah it's a sleeping remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , sleeping .", "Marketing : Ah , that's not the ecological part , yeah .", "Project Manager : That's true . W that why we have the solar ti yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} To compensate {gap} .", "Marketing : Solar .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : So", "Marketing : So , which number ?", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} three .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Easy to use , it's very relative but three it's fine , I think , it's reasonable three . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Do you agree ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Three ?", "User Interface : Yeah , agree , agree .", "Marketing : So reasonably , is four , is one ?", "Industrial Designer : Three f three for me , it's o it's okay .", "Marketing : So , three .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Four or three . Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and {disfmarker} no and just take the mean .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And what's your opinion ?", "Industrial Designer : Will you give four ?", "Marketing : Uh we wouldn't say , I mean , those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me .", "Industrial Designer : Five ? Yeah , so maybe if {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh w w what do y what uh {disfmarker} you compare with traditional uh um tr traditional controller ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : I think it's easier than traditional controller . If you use traditional controller you have to put a button , but now you don't have to put button , you have {disfmarker} you just turn the turn the ball .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but y you know {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : There's two kind of balls ,", "Marketing : So you have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : the smaller the the the {disfmarker} so you can c you can c you can control the scale .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} yeah .", "User Interface : But in the traditional controller , how do {disfmarker} how can you control the scale ?", "Marketing : Uh by pushing zero after after the first one .", "Industrial Designer : You just push two button , zero and and one .", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : And that's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : yeah , yeah , y you you can do it , but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Are there some buttons ? Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , this function is just for your browsing , from one channel to th the next one , the next s sn s , the th the third one .", "Project Manager : It's not what you said previously .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Previously you said that turning this was the fine {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , if you're changing your mind .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : Fine to coarse .", "Project Manager : Fine to coarse .", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : And from ten to ten channels here .", "User Interface : Y one to ten , ten to twelve , uh ten to t uh twenty . Ten to twenty and this one , t one two three four five six , like this .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Uh there's different scale , so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc", "Marketing : Okay . But this this has to stay on the table , right ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : This has to stay on the table .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} In fact on a flat place {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I i this is just a base . You can just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : You can {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah but then uh when you turn turn it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , no no , no . You can't put it out .", "Industrial Designer : Oh ye yes , that's right .", "Marketing : Just {disfmarker} It's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's just your turning from the base . You need to have everything in hand . If you want to turn , you can't use it and turn .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's impossible . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh", "Project Manager : You need to put it on and turn . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . You know tha that's the weak point ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You use your y", "Marketing : because with a traditional one you just have one hand .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control .", "Industrial Designer : my God .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So th this is a d next generation controller . {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Nobody would take it . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Sure . {vocalsound} Yeah , you would never you would never lose this one , yeah .", "Project Manager : So nobody w will lost {disfmarker} lose it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} yeah maybe , maybe may", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : it's the next prototype , maybe we cou", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay okay , okay .", "Project Manager : S maybe we can change from th", "Industrial Designer : Four . Maybe four , it's okay .", "User Interface : Four . Okay .", "Project Manager : Four ? Easy to use , four .", "Industrial Designer : I'll put four .", "Project Manager : Gonna say four .", "Marketing : Four .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , four it's more reasonable .", "Marketing : Uh it's even easier to {disfmarker} maybe .", "Industrial Designer : You can you can erase with this er yeah .", "Marketing : Ok", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , four it's more reasonable , so . So it's nine ,", "Marketing : So , average ?", "Industrial Designer : nine over three .", "User Interface : Three ?", "Marketing : Three ?", "Project Manager : Trois . Three . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , it's {gap} .", "User Interface : Trois . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It need maybe some wo further work , but it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , especially on the easy to use", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , uh s yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : target .", "Industrial Designer : Might {disfmarker} it might be fine .", "Project Manager : So , th the project is accepted ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , b I think {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But I d m I think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : If you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So uh mm mm . Mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 41, "turns": [ 93, 123 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked for ideas for the design of remotes. Marketing suggested making a themed remote while User Interface presumed the remote control was just for television and said the remote control would be good in bright colors and not to have lots of superfluous functions.", "title": "Design of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 9, [ 12, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing; We could make a Hello Kitty; themed remote; User Interface; one in bright colors would be good.", "title": "Design of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 9, [ 12, 21 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay ? Right . Experience with a remote control . Any of you use of remote control for a television or D_V_D_ or something ? You're both nodding ,", "Industrial Designer : That that that's the sorta product we're talking about , one that will work for a {disfmarker} in a home environment , for a T_V_s and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : all three . Well I've seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time , but I also have heard about them not working well or not well co-ordinated and you wind up working with this one for thi this three and then this one over here for another .", "User Interface : It is true that you always sit around {disfmarker} you know , you're sitting on your sofa and you wanna change something , there's five different remotes , and one for the D_V_D_ and one for the video and one for cable and one for whatever else .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Y yeah .", "Project Manager : And they don't always talk to each other .", "User Interface : But I presume this is t I presume this is just for television .", "Project Manager : Don't know . Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Are there any um ideas for the remote ? What would it be for and what group would be be for ? We have to think about that one .", "Marketing : We could make a Hello Kitty", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : themed remote .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think one in b bright colours would be good . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I think one that works would be good . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : We could totally go for the Japan-a-mation . Well I mean there's also the cachet that um uh the Japanese make great {vocalsound} products . Electrical {disfmarker} their industrial design is very good .", "User Interface : I think one that doesn't have lots of superfluous functions . Like I've got one at home that has well , apart from the obvious , channels , channel up , channel down , volume ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : you know , subtitles , mute , there's a lotta buttons that I've got no idea what they do , like {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , that's a really good point ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : because I think one of the things that {disfmarker} being somewhat computer literate , we tend to um go to menus and then make choices , you know , so if it's like an uh volume button , you know , you can go in and say mute or or volume . We don't need to have like the l the numbers if we also have uh uh channel up channel down .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Mm . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : Mm . We can make it smart like an iPod , you know , make everything menus ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 254, 504 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote functions", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they needed to come with decisions on the remote functions so as to know what everyone was going to do. User Interface suggested on having a whistle back function.", "title": "Decisions on Various Remote Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote functions", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they should make the decision on the remote functions so that they could decide on what they were gonna be doing adding that any additional information that one had at any point in time and they thought would be relevant to other people in terms of their decision making process, then it should be communicated as quickly as possible. User Interface suggested it would be easy and a big advantage if they did have whistle back kind of function because that would solve the frustration of losing it.", "title": "Decisions on Various Remote Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "menu", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested they put a sort of LCD menu in the remote. Industrial Designer said that it may have like one menu button and have like number buttons do separate functions.", "title": "Adding Menu Function in Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 75 ], [ 101, 113 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "menu", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested they should probably put sort of LCD menu in the remote next to the other buttons since each of them could have a number and a function written next to it. Industrial Designer said maybe they have like one menu button then have like number buttons did separate functions, adding that they could have the menu function and maybe sort of advanced instruction booklet for user guidance because it could be quite hard for people to grasp off like menu use different buttons and instructions would be needed on how that would actually work.", "title": "Adding Menu Function in Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 75 ], [ 101, 113 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whistle", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested they have kind of whistle back function on the remote. Project Manager said maybe clap rather than whistle would be better function.", "title": "Whistle Back Function on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whistle", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested it'd be really easy and it'd be a big advantage if they did have some kind of whistle back kind of function as a voice recognition thing. Project Manager suggested that maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be better on the basis that since they were catering to the whole age range, they wanted something that was easy to do and that more people could clap rather than whistle.", "title": "Whistle Back Function on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "standby", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested that they should try discourage people from standby because of electricity waste. Industrial Designer said that people might not buy the device if they haven't got one.", "title": "Discouraging the Standby Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 171, 187 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "standby", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested they should try to discourage people from standby because of the waste of electricity; Industrial Designer said that people might not buy it because people might just be too fickle and not want to change.", "title": "Discouraging the Standby Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 171, 187 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "clap", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface said that since everyone could whistle or clap they wouldn't be scared of using voice recognition on remotes. Project Manager added that since more people could clap than whistle they should use the clap option on the remotes. Marketing and Industrial Designer agreed to the use of clap option.", "title": "Clap Function on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "clap", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface said people wouldn't be scared of new clap or whistle technology. Project Manager suggested a clap rather than a whistle.", "title": "Clap Function on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "volume", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked how many volume buttons would be there. Industrial Designer said that on the front of the remote they would have the volume up and volume down.", "title": "Placement of Volume Buttons on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 151, 161 ], [ 198, 201 ], [ 229, 230 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "volume", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said volume buttons would be placed front side of the remote and didn't need other audio functions. Project manager asked number of volume buttons.", "title": "Placement of Volume Buttons on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 151, 161 ], [ 198, 201 ], [ 229, 230 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked what the members had decided on the other functions of like setting the audio and tuning it. Project Manager suggested the detailed functions be hidden at the back.", "title": "Positioning Different Functions on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 73, [ 117, 120 ], [ 133, 150 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functions", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked if they had decided about the other functions of setting the audio and tuning it saying that in the original design there was the one on the left hand side which had all like the double functions, So they had to work on what was gonna be on the functions. Project Manager suggested the detailed/data functions be hidden at the back and could be brought out when needed.", "title": "Positioning Different Functions on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 73, [ 117, 120 ], [ 133, 150 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : So we have to come effectively to the decision on the remote functions so that you can decide what you're gonna be doing . And if dur between the time of this meeting finishing and the next meeting starting , if you get any additional information that uh only you have at that point in time you'd think would be relevant to other people in terms of their des decision making um process , then we should communicate that as quickly as possible and not wait until the next meeting .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Do it via the email", "Marketing : Okay . Yep .", "Project Manager : so that rather than coming you know {disfmarker} If you get the information just before the next meeting that's fine . Come along with it in the next meeting , we can discuss it then and take whatever action is appropriate .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : But if you get it well before the next meeting , let everybody else know 'cause that might have an impact on their uh {disfmarker} on what they come up with {vocalsound} effectively at the next meeting .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Right , is there {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So do we need to decide on the functions now ? S", "Project Manager : I would guess so .", "User Interface : Well I think it'd be really easy and it'd be a big advantage if we did have some sort of um kind of whistle back kind of function .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : 'Cause that'll solve kind of the frustration of losing it .", "Marketing : Yeah and {disfmarker} Yeah and that was that was the number one sort of frustration that people said , so .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I don't think there's anything else on the market that does that , so .", "User Interface : Yeah . I don't really know about the voice recognition thing .", "Project Manager : I {vocalsound} w well uh i", "Industrial Designer : Maybe we should concentrate just on the whistle back function at the moment ,", "Project Manager : Something simple . Uh if if our primary consideration is to get it there in time , time's short ,", "Industrial Designer : and if something comes back {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : you want something to meet the major concerns of the consumer so that we can have that as a selling point for the product ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : something that's quick and simple . So ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : sounds good .", "User Interface : And that wouldn't put off the kind of older generation either , 'cause everyone can whistle or clap , and they wouldn't have to be kind of scared of this new technology .", "Project Manager : Well , so maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : On the basis that if we've got {disfmarker} if we're catering to the whole age range , you want something that's easy to do ,", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : now something that doesn't like whis uh", "Marketing : No not everyone can whistle , can they , though ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well I I I don't know . Well If you think that more people can whistle than clap then that's fine , then go for that option ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but if {disfmarker} I would have thought that more people could clap rather than whistle ,", "Marketing : No ,", "Industrial Designer : I'd go more {disfmarker}", "Marketing : clapping , I think clapping ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , f more for clap .", "Marketing : yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : so uh so clap option .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : 'Kay we've already decided that we don't need a teletext button , haven't we ?", "Project Manager : Uh . Ef effectively that's what the that's what they're saying ,", "User Interface : Is that one of the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : that uh if uh if people are now using the internet then you don't need teletext ,", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so so take out teletext .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Taking out teletext , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Did we decide on having the ten um the ten numbers", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : and then the the little digit next to it which kind of enabled you to put them together .", "User Interface : Yeah , I think so , so zero to nine .", "Marketing : Mm . I think nowadays you can just get ones where it gives you a sort of a second or two to press another number ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : so you can press any two and it'll sort of put them together .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , ten numbers", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and then some kind of device to allow uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I'll put delay to allow um multiple numbers .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Or multiple digits .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Did we decide anything about um the other functions ? As in setting the audio and tuning it and stuff like that ? You had an had an idea about the menu ?", "Marketing : Uh {vocalsound} we could possibly put an L_ {disfmarker} a sort of a L_C_D_ menu in , but that again is probably an expense that {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But just thinking um people probably {disfmarker} I mean you don't have {disfmarker} you only have to probably tune in the T_V_ once , but you have to be able to tune it that once .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So and if finally the T_V_ breaks , you get a new one , you're gonna have to be able to tune it . You can't really avoid that .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : No .", "Industrial Designer : Except the new digital markets which do it by themselves .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : But the but that's relying on the television market changing to an automatic", "Industrial Designer : So that'll be in {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : and if it is at the moment , that's fine . But at the moment it's not , so it seems to me that you have to have a device that caters , 'cause otherwise it would make it {disfmarker} uh your device would become inoperable , or only operable in certain circumstances", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : and the idea is to have an international market", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : which is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And it's also m it's the the product we've got is something that's at the I would have said the lower end of the s of the cost scale , so we're not really going for something that's uh terribly high-tech .", "Marketing : Yeah . I s I suppose um if people are buying remotes , then they're probably buying it to replace another remote", "Project Manager : Possibly .", "Marketing : 'cause all most tellies come with remotes , so .", "Project Manager : That's right .", "Marketing : I mean we're maybe talking about replacing remotes for slightly older televisions , so we maybe need to keep the the tuning function in . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . So how would this menu function work ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Would you maybe have like one menu button , then you'd use the other buttons , maybe the number buttons to actually do the separate functions .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "User Interface : like the volume or something .", "Marketing : that would be a good idea , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , 'cause you do need um kind of brightness and contrast and everything as well . My dad was watching a film the other week", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : and it was too dark , so I had to go through it and turn the brightness up .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} {gap} we're gonna have the the individual numbers", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and then a menu function and maybe sort of a slightly more advanced um instruction booklet to come with it , to guide {disfmarker} Presu uh I think it'd be quite hard just for people to grasp um just off like the menu {gap} use different buttons you maybe have to have like some better instructions of how that would actually work .", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker} I'm not sure whether the sort of having people have a booklet 'cause one {disfmarker} the second most annoying thing that people found was having to learn the new one .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Right , okay um .", "Marketing : So maybe next to each of the buttons , you know each of them could have a number and then also a function written next to it , so you're basically pressing {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} that also goes back to the original design when we saw those two , and there was the one on the left hand side which had all like the double functions and stuff which kind of looked too busy and had too much on it , so .", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : Okay , well .", "User Interface : Well , if we're trying to keep it slee sleek and sexy as well , have you seen those remotes where kind of um the bottom bit slides down , so there's kind of um everything else revealed ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So y Ah That's a very good idea .", "User Interface : So you don't use it that much , you don't have to see it all the time . But it's all there if you need it .", "Industrial Designer : That is that is a good idea actually .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Sor sort of a second .", "Project Manager : So you keep um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Like a hidden panel .", "Project Manager : Right we've got five minutes before we wind up this meeting , so I've been told . I don't know if you've got the same .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Uh not quite , but I guess {gap} .", "Project Manager : Okay . So so keep um keep detailed functions um hidden at the back .", "Industrial Designer : Keep the other buttons but hide them away .", "User Interface : Hmm . And that'll be better for the older generation as well 'cause , well my dad doesn't like anything that you've got to kinda flick through a menu ,", "Project Manager : Ah .", "User Interface : but he can pretty much read a button if it's displayed properly .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So um {vocalsound} we're gonna have to have to work out what's gonna be on these other functions as as well . So we're gonna have like two separate two separate lists , I guess .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : That's right .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {gap} data functions hidden at back . Can bring out when needed .", "Marketing : So th the {disfmarker} The detailed ones would be sort of brightness ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : uh sorta {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That's right so we're dis So you've got which ones are gonna be on the front and which ones are gonna be on the back . We have to decide .", "Industrial Designer : So sh Should we decide in the next couple of minutes , and then {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I guess so .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So on the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So on front ,", "Industrial Designer : {gap} about the number {gap} .", "Project Manager : numbers ,", "Industrial Designer : Um the volume up and down .", "User Interface : And the volume ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} volume .", "Industrial Designer : Shall we have a mute button as well ?", "User Interface : Um .", "Project Manager : Sorry ?", "Industrial Designer : A mute button as well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah I think they're handy .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . And probably a power one as well . {vocalsound} Dunno .", "User Interface : I know it's probably like um not an issue to raise here , but um the whole thing about not using your standby uh because of the like waste of electricity {gap} . Have you seen the adverts ? Like if you boil the kettle that's full that's a waste .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : If you leave your telly on standby it powers Blackpool for a certain amount of time .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Like we should maybe try to discourage people from standby .", "Industrial Designer : But then they might not buy it if they haven't got one . 'Cause people might just be too fickle and not want to change .", "User Interface : Yeah , it's maybe too much of a big issue for here .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So so are you having the stand-by on the front , then ?", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : We can send out a flier with the device saying that you shouldn't leave it on stand-by .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Uh-oh danger sign .", "Industrial Designer : I think you probably should .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , but a little bit smaller .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Compromise .", "Project Manager : Well {vocalsound} {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Um are we gonna have the channel up and down as well as the number buttons ?", "Marketing : Um 'cause yeah the market research said there is quite a lot of people do just zap around and flick , so .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so we'll have um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : So we've got ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen there ?", "Project Manager : Channel up and down .", "Marketing : Um .", "Project Manager : What else have we got ? What was that , sixteen ?", "Marketing : Numbers is ten , volume is twelve ,", "Project Manager : Volume button . How many volumes ?", "Marketing : th Yeah si One up , one down .", "Project Manager : Right okay .", "User Interface : On mute .", "Marketing : And a mute , yeah . That's sixteen isn't it , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Is there anything else ? Um .", "Marketing : I don't think so , no .", "Project Manager : Power button , stand-by , channel , up and down . So is that it ?", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : {gap} so .", "Project Manager : Okay . That's sixteen buttons , you reckon . And then at the back ?", "Marketing : You've got brightness and contrast .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe if we're gonna run out of time , one of us should come up with a list of these and then get back at the next meeting just at the start and say what they're gonna be .", "User Interface : And then {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . So on the back it'll have brightness , contrast ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : anything else ? You're also gonna have the channel tuner {gap} , as it were .", "User Interface : Uh there's audio functions .", "Industrial Designer : So tuner up and down , I guess .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Tuner , would that have up and down ? {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Um up {disfmarker} Tune one way , tune the o", "User Interface : I think they normally do .", "Project Manager : {gap} okay {gap} . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I I dunno I dunno possibly .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : And then maybe sort of an enter button for sort of s you know , saying that you want that particular thing tuned in . So you go up and down and then it pick it finds something and then you wanna press enter to select it , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah and th and a enter button just to select . Yeah , okay . Um I guess we're keeping s it simple . We don't really need any other audio funct uh functions because it's just volume up , volume down .", "Project Manager : Um up volume , yeah , I would have thought so .", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : So I think um there's quite a lot of like Dolby surround studio , surround sort of things .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Do they have their own {disfmarker} do they have their own controls on their actual products , then ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Um maybe for the younger market .", "Industrial Designer : or do you have to do it via the remote ?", "User Interface : Um I think they've got their own controls in this kind of like hidden panel .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I suppose if we've got their {disfmarker} if they've got their own controls then we can avoid it for ours just to keep it simple .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Oh no , I mean um like there's kind of individual buttons for them , like on the T_V_ remote .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , okay . Right .", "User Interface : But I don't really know what they're for ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : I've never used them .", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "User Interface : I just know they're something to do with Dolby .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe unless something comes up then we should I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well you might get some research . {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 19, "turns": [ 0, 298 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "hard plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the case was of hard plastic, color changeable, and transparent, the team agreed. Talking about the material of the buttons, they mentioned that it was made of hard plastic and Project Manager said that if the buttons were of different material, it could be very expensive.", "title": "Industrial Designer and Project Manager Talking About Hard Plastic", "relevant_turns": [ [ 43, 46 ], [ 92, 93 ], [ 270, 275 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "hard plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the case should be hard plastic, Project Manager said it could be expensive if the buttons weren\u2019t.", "title": "Industrial Designer and Project Manager Talking About Hard Plastic", "relevant_turns": [ [ 43, 46 ], [ 92, 93 ], [ 270, 275 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the speech recognition was financially possible, User Interface and Industrial Designer agreed. They had a different chip for speech recognition and just needed a button to say on or off. User Interface said that they should input their voice, and Industrial Designer said that maybe they had to configure it.", "title": "Project Manager, User Interface, and Industrial Designer Suggestions on Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 17 ], [ 31, 38 ], [ 52, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "speech recognition", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said speech recognition was financially possible, with a different chip. User Interface and Industrial Designer said they should input their voice while they configured it.", "title": "Project Manager, User Interface, and Industrial Designer Suggestions on Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 17 ], [ 31, 38 ], [ 52, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "menu", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "While discussing the menu, User Interface suggested its button had arrows, and Industrial Designer argued there was little space left. Both agreed on a middle menu button.", "title": "User Interface and Industrial Designer Talking About the Menu", "relevant_turns": [ [ 136, 142 ], [ 164, 178 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "menu", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Discussing the menu button, User Interface proposed it had arrows to scroll and navigate, Industrial Designer said they had little space left. User Interface mentioned a better button place, they suggested a menu button in the middle.", "title": "User Interface and Industrial Designer Talking About the Menu", "relevant_turns": [ [ 136, 142 ], [ 164, 178 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the basic functions, such as the Mute function, the on-off function, and text functions would be in the first level, on the other hand, the rest of the functions considered as non-basic use functions, would be in the second level, and the team agreed. Project Manager asked how many functions they needed for the microphone, User Interface answered that the speech recognition.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 45, 54 ], [ 99, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the basic functions, like the Mute function, on-off function, and text functions would be in the first level and all the non-basic use functions like DVD player in the second level. Project Manager asked about the functions of the microphone, User Interface said speech recognition.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 45, 54 ], [ 99, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "second level", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer answered to Project Manager the non-basic functions would be in the second level. Marketing asked how it was coming out, User Interface suggested clap open.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Second Level", "relevant_turns": [ [ 97, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "second level", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked how they wanted to implement the functions, Industrial Designer explained that the non-basic functions could be in the second level, the team agreed. Marketing asked how the second level was coming out, User Interface commented the option that it clapped open, but they agreed on the first option because it was better.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Second Level", "relevant_turns": [ [ 97, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned the need of a button for the speech recognition. User Interface said that on-off buttons, text buttons, and mute buttons were together, and that the power button was a bit bigger and on the left side was a scroll wheel, also said that the buttons were round, not made of rubber, and that the channel buttons had a color around them. Industrial Designer said that the menu buttons should be in the middle with arrows. Marketing said the colors chosen for it were green, blue, and red.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 60 ], [ 74, 77 ], [ 92, 95 ], [ 167, 175 ], [ 198, 203 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "button", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they needed one button to define if it was on or off for the speech recognition. The team talked about the position of the buttons, User Interface said that the most important buttons should be the central and the on-off buttons, text buttons, and mute buttons, so it should be easy to find them. The power button was bigger, so it stood out, without the color red. On the left side would be a scroll wheel. The buttons would be round shapes, not made of rubber, and the channel buttons would have color around them. Industrial Designer said that the menu buttons should be in the middle with arrows. Marketing said the colors chosen for the buttons were green, blue, and red.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 55, 60 ], [ 74, 77 ], [ 92, 95 ], [ 167, 175 ], [ 198, 203 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "place", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the on-off buttons, text buttons, and mute buttons were together at the same place, and that the scroll wheel was placed on the left side; Industrial Designer said that was the best place for the scroll wheel. Marketing said that if they had enough place, they could put one button for each LED color, if not, there could be one button that switched colors with each press. The team agreed and said that they had enough place.", "title": "Place on the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 78 ], [ 183, 208 ], [ 276, 283 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "place", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the on-off buttons, text buttons, and mute buttons were together and at a place easy to find. The scroll wheel was in the standard place, on the left side. The Industrial Designer commented that this was the best place for the scroll wheel because it was easy to use for hand-left people, Marketing asked if they could add one button to switch the color of the LEDs, the team agreed; User Interface said that it could be one button that they pressed and change the color, Marketing said that if they had enough place, they could put three buttons, one red, one blue, and one green, the team confirmed it.", "title": "Place on the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 76, 78 ], [ 183, 208 ], [ 276, 283 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "advanced chip", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface mentioned an advanced chip for speech recognition, Project Manager said they needed to use a different chip.", "title": "User Interface and Project Manager Talking About the Advanced Chip", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "advanced chip", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface said that they used the advanced chip for speech recognition, Project Manager answered that an advanced chip was not necessary, only a different chip, the team agreed.", "title": "User Interface and Project Manager Talking About the Advanced Chip", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 38 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : It's not saved yet .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Our beautiful drawing .", "Project Manager : So just f um {disfmarker} So this is our agenda . You're {disfmarker} F You're going to show your pr prototype presentation after me .", "Marketing : Oops .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Uh I didn't {disfmarker} Oh yeah . So these are the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh , okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : So these are the um last notes we I made . If anything doesn't look right , just say it to me then . I don't have to put it in the report .", "User Interface : Are we doing the the speech recognition ? Because we didn't have enough time to uh de um design the inside as well .", "Project Manager : Okay , but it's still possible uh uh financially . So if you want to , it's okay .", "User Interface : Okay yeah . Well then then we're gonna put it in .", "Project Manager : Okay , just {vocalsound} {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , just uh we have to design the inside then , but it should be uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , and {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Or are we making a slide open , like underneath ? Or fold open ? I don't know .", "Project Manager : Slide open is uh quite usable for remote controls .", "Industrial Designer : It's probably better . Yeah , s Like underneath uh you can slide it open and you {gap} other functions .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} It's may maybe uh a bit stronger as well .", "Project Manager : Maybe that's better . Yeah , that's that's a very good point .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay , so when you have a lot of room inside .", "Industrial Designer : Think that's better .", "User Interface : So you can make it very easy to use . 'Cause you can write a lot of comments besides it .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . So this is okay ? {gap}", "User Interface : {gap} No . Yeah , we're gonna use the advanced chip then .", "Project Manager : Okay , so that's {disfmarker} Uh I'll just have a look how much that is .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} The {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But um {disfmarker} Okay , for the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Advanced chip was for uh spee Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I I think so . I don't know .", "Project Manager : No , you have a different chip for speech recognition . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Ah okay .", "Project Manager : So I already calculated that and it's still in the budget . So it's okay .", "User Interface : Good .", "Project Manager : So you can show your prototype if you want to .", "User Interface : Together ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah , it's {disfmarker} Let's do it together .", "User Interface : I'll give comments .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah , we just made a Word file with the basic elements . Uh the look-and-feel model . Uh well the form , the case um as drawn there . Simply a square with uh round corners . So that's basically it . {vocalsound} Uh the material should be hard plastic . Uh colour changeable , and also transparent .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And colour and transparent , or just transparent , I don't know . Um then the elements . Uh we have {disfmarker} The functions are just basic . Like uh I've pointed them here . Mute function , on-off function , text functions . This uh switch channel .", "Project Manager : Okay , cool . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And this is the the num-pad . And the logo is over here , and the mic .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And the scrollwheel , no ? You operate that with your pointing finger .", "Marketing : Means {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So you hold it like this in your right hand and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm . So how many functions do you need for for uh the microphone ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Speech recognition .", "Project Manager : Yeah , speech recognition . Just {disfmarker} Only one button to say it's on or off .", "User Interface : Um I didn't have a specification of that . But um I can imagine that you have to input your voice or something .", "Industrial Designer : Uh I dunno .", "User Interface : Um so I've {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , maybe maybe uh you have to configure it .", "User Interface : Yes , you need options to configure it , and after that you don't need 'em anymore .", "Project Manager : So you can put it on the back as well if you want to .", "User Interface : Yeah , you can {gap} put 'em all on the back . That's for sure .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , or or on the slide function , I don't know .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : That's uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well we haven't had time to design that , the slide pad .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : We also don't know how many buttons are required , or what kind of buttons . But {disfmarker} You have a lot of room if you can slide it open .", "Project Manager : Yeah , you can put it separate .", "User Interface : You {disfmarker} Yeah I know . I can imagine you need at least four buttons or something . So {disfmarker} But it's enough room .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Um the position ? Yeah , you write uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : You wrote this , so .", "User Interface : Well the main , the main zap buttons are most central . That was the the most important thing .", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : So uh the best {gap} place , the best reach place {disfmarker} Um on-off buttons , text buttons , mute buttons are together and at a place they easily are , easy to find . Um the on-off button is a bit bigger , uh so it stands out . That way you don't have to make it red , 'cause it's will uh will show up . Uh scrollwheel is on the left side . It's {vocalsound} basically the be standard place for scrollwheel , as far as I know .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . But it's not uh impossible to use it , if you're left handed . So y Because you can use your thumb then .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Just just one thing now . Um y you need to have more uh one two th You've got one two three four five six seven eight nine .", "User Interface : Okay yeah , they {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But you missed the no uh the zero and uh the two stripes .", "Industrial Designer : Mm yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah okay . That's that's below that then .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : It's uh twelve buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} just so you get that .", "Marketing : Okay , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It's rather important . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah okay , just we just missed that .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : But um I'll just uh {disfmarker} I'll get back to later . F the form well , we've taken that from the iPod , other popular technical device . So um should be popular . Um {disfmarker} The f uh the buttons creating ? Uh if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That or all round shapes , not uh rounded corners .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So that , you know , you get a bit round feeling . Um we'll use hard plastic . Since that allows us to use uh two D_ buttons , uh non-rubber buttons . Colour changeable . Well and um the backlight thing , the thing that lights up . We have decided uh {vocalsound} in the the channel buttons , there's a little uh colour around it .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : And also in the num-pads , there's also colour {gap} light behind it .", "Project Manager : And do you still can , do you still can choose what colour , kind of colour you want ?", "User Interface : So when you pre Yeah .", "Project Manager : How do you want to implement that ? Just on the {disfmarker} Maybe on the second level as well ?", "User Interface : We're going to implement . Yeah . Mm just a little {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , these are just basic functions , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Ah .", "Industrial Designer : All the non-basic are in {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , just draw draw the second level , because we need that as well .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay , there is one uh function I use uh daily , and it's not on the basic functions . It's uh to switch to uh uh your Scart . Play Station or uh D_V_D_ player .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , maybe we use this button for the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That function must be {disfmarker} Yeah , maybe {disfmarker} Or you can uh i uh lay it uh beneath in the uh other uh functions .", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , as well .", "User Interface : I um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Just make make a {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : To your video device .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Just just draw a second level one and say all options that are still left or something . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} A second level ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like a a new blank one or {disfmarker} Or just here ?", "Project Manager : No no , just on {disfmarker} Down there .", "User Interface : Is i Ah okay .", "Project Manager : So uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : And h how does the second level come out ?", "Project Manager : Just uh if you s", "Marketing : Uh it slides uh along ?", "User Interface : Um slides I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah , y Maybe , yeah .", "User Interface : It's", "Marketing : From from the uh beneath ?", "Project Manager : For the bottom .", "User Interface : You can do it that it claps open , but I think that's not solid enough .", "Project Manager : No , you gotta slide it .", "User Interface : If that breaks then you're screwed .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's right .", "User Interface : So it do doesn't even have to slide all the way open . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So what do we need ?", "User Interface : Uh i the the speech functions buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Menu ?", "User Interface : Menu button . With uh maybe uh arrows . So you can uh", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : scroll in the , navigate the menu . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : God damn it .", "Marketing : Scart ?", "User Interface : {gap} I think we can even put a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have one for the zero and one for the for the more digit uh channels .", "Marketing : Uh yeah . And so y you keep you keep one , you have one left . Yes . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So you have one left for the {disfmarker} Right , the video channel , Play Station , etcetera . That's used pretty often .", "Industrial Designer : So this is the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : If you have a Play Station , mm you use it every day .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's a f {vocalsound} basic uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Extern or something .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : You want to save that file as well ? The drawing ?", "User Interface : That was it .", "Industrial Designer : So here are multiple speech buttons , I don't know how many .", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Doesn't really matter . Just just uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It doesn't really matter .", "Industrial Designer : I don't know the functions .", "User Interface : That's {disfmarker} Yeah well we don't have any uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . What else ?", "User Interface : Hmm ?", "Industrial Designer : What else ?", "User Interface : What else ? Uh menu buttons with arrows .", "Industrial Designer : Uh menu .", "Marketing : Yeah , to navigate .", "User Interface : S Just uh like {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh {gap} With arrows .", "User Interface : Um I think it's best if we do . Mm where do we have {disfmarker} Or there .", "Industrial Designer : Like a normal um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Like on the normal uh {disfmarker} Like this .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , with in the middle um a menu button .", "User Interface : The menu button , yes .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Well we don't have any , anything on how many buttons speech requires . So you can't redesign it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Maybe one button to switch the colour of your uh LEDs ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Uh and and you can hold it ,", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : you can hold it , and then the colours switch or mm multiple multiple buttons .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Just press it once , the colour should uh switch . Press again , the colour switch again maybe ?", "Marketing : {gap} okay .", "Project Manager : Or we just make it three buttons , all the colours on it . Just red , yel uh red , green and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay , yeah . Th Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : If we have enough place , uh then we can do that .", "Project Manager : That's that's very easy , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We can put those here .", "Marketing : Colour buttons . And then we choose green , uh blue and red or", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : {disfmarker} Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . That's uh {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So did we miss anything ?", "User Interface : Yeah , maybe some uh some text next to the scroll wheel , that it is volume .", "Marketing : It {disfmarker} Some text uh buttons .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , but", "Project Manager : No , ma on on o on the on the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I just uh {disfmarker} The volume logo .", "Marketing : there's one there's one text button I {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh wh Here ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . {gap}", "Project Manager : Just make it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah , or th or the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : There's one text button I prefer . That's the one uh that you use if you search for a page , uh like seven hundred , uh and it's counting from one hundred to two hundred , you will switch to your television and back to text .", "User Interface : Yeah , we have that on the the text button .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Do you do you {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Marketing : Did you think of that ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but then you can switch back to normal telete teletext . You just switch it off and then {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh why not ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , just put it on those extra f extra function as well .", "Marketing : Ex Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : No {disfmarker} Whoa {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well w we thought of a text button . And if you press it again , you get the the the", "User Interface : I think um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The sta the state you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh just three stages , you {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : through view .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , the three stages . Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , b but but if you're in the second stage , the third stage is switch teletext off .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So you can switch back from second to w first .", "User Interface : No , it doesn't have to turn it off . Just don't {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No . Just remember where it was .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : It it doesn't uh uh clear the the page . If you if you turn teletext on , you you set the seven hundred , and you turn it off , then the next time you turn it on , it still stays on seven hundred ?", "Project Manager : Yes , that's to remember .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but that's that's uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But maybe it's not the way {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I dunno if {gap} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That's a functionality for the television . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , I think as well , but {disfmarker} Uh yeah .", "Marketing : Mm . That's maybe one thing we can discuss about .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah mm nee uh {disfmarker} No , if i {vocalsound} uh the remote can send like the the code for seven hundred , page seven hundred to the television . Th th th if you switch it on .", "User Interface : Yeah , in thi the the remote control in the", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah , but you have to search every time again .", "User Interface : the chip .", "Industrial Designer : Th i", "Project Manager : That's what what happening if you do it like that . But it's still the television that has to do that .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's true .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I dunno . Okay .", "User Interface : So yeah . Um do we need to fix that or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No , that's what the television does .", "Marketing : Mm {vocalsound} most new T_V_s do uh collect all the pages .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , those memory functions .", "Marketing : But uh not not every every television , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , it's cool .", "Industrial Designer : Was uh this logo for uh volume ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's fine .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So that's it ?", "Project Manager : Is this prich pretty much it , yeah ?", "Marketing : Yeah , I I thought about one thing . Uh the buttons ? Uh from which material are they now ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm . No no", "User Interface : Just like your telephone , hard plastic .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Just hard plastic . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : It's too expensive to make it from a different material anyway .", "Marketing : Because um if you use it a couple of years , some uh sometimes the numbers on the on the buttons are slide away , are uh {disfmarker} And maybe we can write the numbers below or above ? Or shall we just turn it on on the buttons ?", "User Interface : I think just on the buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Uh I think just um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : If you do it abo above or below , it takes uh more space .", "Marketing : Well yeah . That's too much place .", "User Interface : I don't think the space is worth it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay , just leave it . Just leave it .", "Industrial Designer : I think uh you have that problem more often with rubber buttons .", "Marketing : Yeah , and i The most time {disfmarker} Yeah , with rubber buttons . Yeah , okay . {gap} Okay . Fine .", "Project Manager : Yeah ? Okay , cool . Mm mm mm mm mm . Yeah , I don't know what this means . But I think we just evela evaluated this one .", "Marketing : Yeah , I made some criteria uh , so we can uh ev evaluate our model .", "Project Manager : Oh okay , you made some criteria . Okay , cool . Okay .", "Marketing : I d d d I don't think if it's right . {vocalsound} That shall show it .", "Project Manager : You have some usability criteria or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh no , uh all criterias we just argue about . Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : In the bottom .", "Marketing : Oh .", "Project Manager : Look-and-feel ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No , evaluation is {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 433, 533 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Go-there decision", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The process of solving the scheme of Go-there decision was about understanding which constructions indicated various discourse properties. Professor B claimed that the Go-there decision would have a node from the discourse. Grad E added that discourse features might also be added for the endpoint. Situation and user model present but discourse model was yet to be established. Same with ontology. Professor B added those values would probably only be false and true though.", "title": "The Scheme of a Go-There Decision According to Professor B and Grad E", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], [ 9, 12 ], [ 16, 19 ], [ 22, 27 ], [ 57, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Go-there decision", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The discussion between professor B and Grad E approached the topic named Go-there decision. Professor B claimed that the Go-there decision would have a node from the discourse. Grad E added then that discourse features might also be added for the endpoint. Considering the above conditions, there were both: situation and user model present but discourse model was yet to be established. Same with ontology. To solve the ontology issue it was suggested to pull various kinds of properties. Both speakers agreed then that discourse model would still lack of representation but it already had three values, named EVA values. Professor B added that those values would probably only be false and true though. Although many situational things would matter. Endpoint node could feed into the Go - there with the conditions of avoiding loops.", "title": "Defining the Go-There Decision Scheme by Professor B and Grads", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], [ 9, 12 ], [ 16, 19 ], [ 22, 27 ], 50, [ 57, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Go-there decision", "speaker": "Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E posed few questions about defining what the model of the Go-There decision might look like and how to build it and try it and mentioned that discourse features of course for the endpoint were already there and that they were completely correct. Grad E confirmed to have the user model and the situation model ready but indicated that the discourse model was not there yet. Grad E also meant to indicate that there was some sort of some external thing that takes all the discourse stuff.", "title": "Grad E Thoughts about Go-There Decision", "relevant_turns": [ 12, 16, 28, 32, 38 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Go-there decision", "speaker": "Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E mentioned that discourse features of course for the endpoint were already there and that they were completely correct. Much the same referred to the ontology. Grad E used situational examples of the Go-there decision making.", "title": "Grad E Definition of Go-There Decision", "relevant_turns": [ 12, 16, 28, 32, 38 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "hmm", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A would constantly use humming sounds such as hmm, mm-hmm in order to mark the presence and showing interest in the discussion.", "title": "Grad A Humming Contribution to the Discussion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 29, 35 ], 46, [ 51, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "hmm", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A would not contribute a lot to the meeting with verbally expressed comments and thoughts. Grad A would constantly use humming sounds such as hmm, mm-hmm in order to mark the presence and showing interest in the discussion.", "title": "Grad A Presence in the Go-There Discussion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 29, 35 ], 46, [ 51, 54 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad E : Um so this might be What next ?", "Professor B : Well you tell me , so in terms of the uh planner what 's {disfmarker} what 's a good one to do ?", "Grad E : Well let 's {disfmarker} th this go there or not I think is a good one .", "Professor B : Uh", "Grad E : Is a very basic one . So what makes things more likely that {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well the fir see the first thing is , getting back to thing we left out of the other is the actual discourse .", "Grad E : So", "Professor B : So Keith this is gonna get into your world because uh we 're gonna want to know you know , which constructions indicate various of these properties", "Grad A : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : s and so I {disfmarker} I don't yet know how to do this , I guess we 're gonna wind up pulling out uh discourse properties like we have object properties and we don't know what they are yet .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So that {disfmarker} that the Go - there decision will have a node from uh discourse , and I guess why don't we just stick a discourse thing up there to be as a placeholder for", "Grad E : We {disfmarker} we also had discourse features of course for the endpoint .", "Professor B : Of {disfmarker} of course .", "Grad E : Identified that", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : and so again re that 's completely correct , we have the user model , the situation model here , we don't have the discourse model here yet . Much the same way as we didn't {disfmarker} we don't have the ontology here .", "Professor B : Well the ontology we sort of said we would pull these various kinds of properties from the ontology like exhibiting , selling , and so forth .", "Grad E : Really .", "Professor B : So in some sense it 's {disfmarker} it 's there .", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : But the discourse we don't have it represented at all yet .", "Grad E : Yeah . Um This be specific for second year ? Um And {disfmarker} and we probably will have uh something like a discourse for endpoint .", "Professor B : But if we do it 'll have the three values .", "Grad E : Hmm ?", "Professor B : It 'll have the EVA values if {disfmarker} if we have it .", "Grad E : Yeah . Yeah . OK just for starters and here discourse um", "Professor B : For Go - there , probably is true and false , let 's say . That 's what we talked about .", "Grad E : um well , I think um we 're looking at the {disfmarker} the little data that we have , so people say how do I get to the castle and this usually means they wanna go there .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : So this should sort of push it in one direction", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad E : however people also sometimes say how do I get there in order to find out how to get there without wanting to go there .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : And sometimes um people say where is it", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : because they wanna know where it is but in most cases they probably", "Professor B : Yeah , but that doesn't change the fact that you 're {disfmarker} you want these two values .", "Grad E : Oh yeah , true . So this is sort of some external thing that takes all the discourse stuff and then says here it 's either {pause} yep , yay , A , or nay . Yeah . OK ?", "Professor B : And they 'll be a y uh , a user Go - there and maybe that 's all , I don't know .", "Grad D : Situation Go - there , I mean , because it 's {disfmarker} whether it 's open or not .", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : OK , good .", "Grad D : That definitely interes", "Professor B : Yep .", "Grad D : But that now that kind of um what 's the word", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad D : um the {disfmarker} that interacts with the uh EVA thing if they just wanna view it then it 's fine to go there when it 's closed whereas if they want to um", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad D : so", "Professor B : Right , so that 's {disfmarker} that 's where it starts getting to be uh uh essentially more interesting , so what uh Bhaskara says which is completely right is if you know that they 're only going to view it then it doesn't matter whether it 's closed or not", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : in terms of uh uh you know , whether {disfmarker} whether you wanna go there .", "Grad D : The time of day ,", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : right I {disfmarker} well , right .", "Grad C : It does matter though if there 's like a strike or riot or something .", "Professor B : Absolutely there are other situational things that do matter .", "Grad D : Right . So yeah , that 's what I said just having one situational node may not be enough because this {disfmarker} that node by itself wouldn't distinguish", "Professor B : Well i i it can have di various values . Yeah , but we eh you {disfmarker} you 're right it might not be enough .", "Grad D : Yeah , I mean , see I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm thinking that any node that begins with \" Go - there \" is either gonna be true or false .", "Grad A : Well , what {disfmarker} Whoops .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad A : Right .", "Professor B : Ah . I see that could be .", "Grad A : Also , that node , I mean the Go - there s S node would just be fed by separate ones for", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : you know , there 's different things , the strikes and the", "Professor B : Could be . Yeah . N", "Grad D : Like situation traffic and so on .", "Grad A : Yeah , the time of day .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . So {disfmarker} so now the other thing that Bhaskara eh pointed out is what this says is that uh there sh should be a link , and this is where things are gonna get very messy from the endpoint uh decision", "Grad D : I guess the final", "Professor B : maybe the t they 're final re and , I guess the very bottom endpoint decision uh to the Go - there node . And I {disfmarker} don't worry about layout ,", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : I mean then we 'll go {disfmarker} we 'll go nuts but", "Grad D : Mmm .", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Maybe we could um have intermediate node that just the Endpoint and the Go - there S node sort of fed into ?", "Professor B : Could be , yeah .", "Grad D : Right . Because that 's what we , I mean that 's why this situation comes up .", "Professor B : Yeah . Well the Go - there , actually the Endpoint node could feed {disfmarker} feed into the Go - there S That 's right ,", "Grad D : Yeah , right .", "Professor B : so the Endpoint node ,", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : make that up t t to the Go - there then", "Grad E : Yeah .", "Professor B : and again we 'll have to do layout at some point , but something like that . Now it 's gonna be important not to have loops by the way . Uh really important in {disfmarker} in the belief worl net world not to have loops", "Grad E : I was just gonna", "Professor B : uh", "Grad D : Yes .", "Grad E : How long does it take you to {disfmarker} to compute uh", "Professor B : No it 's much worse than that . It {disfmarker} if i loo it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's not def i it 's not well defined if you 're there are loops ,", "Grad D : It {disfmarker} things don't converge , yeah .", "Grad E : uh R recursive action ?", "Professor B : you just you have to there are all sorts of ways of breaking it up so that there isn't uh OK .", "Grad E : Uh but this isn't , this is {disfmarker} this line is just coming from over here .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , no it 's not a loop yet , I 'm just saying we {disfmarker} we , in no , in", "Grad D : Yeah . Well , but the good thing is we {disfmarker} we could have loopy belief propagation which {vocalsound} we all love .", "Grad E : Mmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 126, 321 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "simulation market evaluation , new remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group discussed that the product specification and prototype design should meet the criteria got from the market research as based on user requirements and trends found in the marketing reports and marketing strategy of the company.", "title": "Product Criteria from the Market Research", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "simulation market evaluation , new remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "At this stage of the evaluation; need to check if; got a product specification and prototype design that meets the criteria; got from our market research; the collection of the criteria; was based on the user requirements and trends found in the marketing reports and marketing strategy of our company; want in this remote control are a fancy look and feel, technological innovation, it should be easy to use, it should incorporate current fashion trends; the two main ones; spongy texture and the fruit and vegetable strong design colors.", "title": "Product Criteria from the Market Research", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "incorporation , current fashion trends , prototype , simulation market evaluation , new remote control", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing thought that the new remote control incorporated current fashion trends in the prototype and that any strong fruit and veg colors could be used when making a simulation market evaluation of the new remote control.", "title": "Product Features in Current Fashion Trends", "relevant_turns": [ [ 91, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "incorporation , current fashion trends , prototype , simulation market evaluation , new remote control", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing thought that the new remote control incorporated current fashion trends in the prototype based on the market research findings but was not sure what colors would be used but mentioned that any strong fruit and veg colors could be used when making a simulation market evaluation of the new remote control.", "title": "Product Features in Current Fashion Trends", "relevant_turns": [ [ 91, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "minimization , repetitive strain injury , simulation market evaluation , new remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "In spite of the average rating of the evaluation of the minimization of repetitive strain injury criteria, they would go ahead with the production and marketing of the prototype on the strength of high rating of other criteria and consideration of the current technology and capabilities of the company.", "title": "Way Forward for the Production of Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 183, 189 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "minimization , repetitive strain injury , simulation market evaluation , new remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The lowest rating; around neutral; for the minimization of repetitive strain injury; produce and market this as a prototype; make further modifications; most of those ratings; high enough.", "title": "Way Forward for the Production of Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 183, 189 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype design , market research", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing described the current evaluation stage as a point to check if the desired specification and prototype design obtained from the market research had been achieved.", "title": "Evaluation Stage", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "prototype design , market research", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; This stage of the evaluation; as a team; evaluate if; have now got a product specification and prototype design that meets the criteria; got from our market research; The criteria; want in this remote control are a fancy look and feel, technological innovation.", "title": "Evaluation Stage", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "point scale", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing described the process of evaluation as being by a seven-point scale where one would be true and seven would be false. Each team member would give an individual rating for every criterion and the average would be taken at the end.", "title": "Details of Evaluation Procedure", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "point scale", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing described a seven-point scale for the individual evaluation of the criterion obtained for the market research", "title": "Details of Evaluation Procedure", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 27 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : This stage of the evaluation is really for us as a team to evaluate if we have now got a product specification and prototype design that meets the the criteria that we got from our market research . {vocalsound} So this is the first stage of the evaluation . Now , the collection of the criteria , as we saw in our previous meeting , was based on the user requirements and trends found in the marketing reports and marketing strategy of our company . So it's what we've discussed in the last meeting , are we actually meeting those trends and requirements ? Now the findings that we came up with , just a recap , are here . The criteria that we want in this remote control are a fancy look and feel , technological innovation , it should be easy to use , it should incorporate current fashion trends , and those {disfmarker} the two main ones , they were the spongy texture and the fruit and vegetable strong design colours .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} The design should minimise R_S_I_ and be easy to locate and we were still um uh slightly ambivalent as to whether to use voice recognition there , though that did seem to be the favoured strategy , but there was also , on the sideline , the though of maybe having a beeper function . {vocalsound} Okay , so we can come back to that slide , if you don't have a note of those . I'll just show you how we're going to evaluate our own feedback to this , to what we have so far . We're going to use a seven point scale , where one is true and seven is false . We look at each of those criteria that I've just mentioned , I'll call that slide back up ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : and I will just do a preliminary rating of all those criteria on the whiteboard here .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Does that seem clear ? Any questions there ?", "User Interface : Ah , it's perfect .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : we're going to look at these crite So", "User Interface : Is it everybody is going to evaluate , or just the Market {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yes ,", "User Interface : okay .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : we're going to come to {disfmarker} w we'll discuss each one", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and we'll come to a consensus rating between one and seven .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Is that okay ?", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Marketing : One is true , seven is false . Right . So I won't write all of that out again . It will just be criteria one , two , three , four , five , six , or A_ , B_ , C_ , D_ , E_ , F_ to confuse it with the number rating . B_ , C_ , D_ , E_ , F_ . {vocalsound} This is where I realise how tiny I actually am . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Just write small .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Criteria and rating . Actually , it might be an idea , if we each did give our own individual rating , and we could take an average at the end . How about that ?", "User Interface : Yeah , so you can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . That works .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : Okay . So I'll just separate the ratings by obliques , and if we go one , two , three , four , we know who's who .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . Criteria A_ , the fancy look and feel . How do we feel about this prototype model relating to fancy {disfmarker} it is a fancy look and feel . One is true , seven is false . My own rating for that would be a two . One is true and seven is false .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I would agree .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I'd uh yeah I'd probably put it uh {vocalsound} two {disfmarker} yeah ,", "Marketing : I'll just go this way .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : two or three .", "Marketing : Two .", "Industrial Designer : No , three . Three .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : I would say two .", "Marketing : Two .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I would say four .", "Marketing : A four , okay .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Adding those up , we've got a six and a five , eleven divided by four is what ? Uh two and three quarters , it that right .", "User Interface : Almost three .", "Industrial Designer : Mm yeah .", "Marketing : Two and three quarters ?", "User Interface : I think yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . Two point seven five , there we go . {vocalsound} Okay , criteria B_ , criterion B_ , technologically innovative . I would give that a three .", "Industrial Designer : I'd give it a one .", "Marketing : Okay . Not that you're biased {vocalsound} in that it {disfmarker} the designer .", "Industrial Designer : No , no , not at all .", "Project Manager : A two .", "User Interface : Oh sorry , I I got it wrong . The first one rating , I'm sorry . Can you just make it two ? The first .", "Marketing : The average {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , I I just {gap} it the other way .", "Marketing : oh , for you ? You want your rating to be a two ? Is that what you're saying ?", "User Interface : Uh in {gap} Yep , I just got {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : So , I'll work out the average for that again at the end . It's a very slightly altered {disfmarker} Okay ,", "User Interface : two point f", "Marketing : and we're just waiting for your rating", "Project Manager : It's just two point five for that one .", "Marketing : f", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Two point five , okay . Losing one decimal place , that's okay .", "User Interface : One is a {gap} , seven is false , okay .", "Marketing : So what are you rating for this one , Paw ?", "User Interface : Two .", "Marketing : Two , okay . So that is eight . That brings it down to two ,", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Marketing : nice and simple , yeah . Okay , ease of use . Easy to use ? Based on what you've said there , I would say a one , true .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Marketing : Two .", "Project Manager : I would say a two . I would say a two .", "Marketing : A two , okay .", "User Interface : Two .", "Marketing : Two . I should've said a two to make the arithmetic easy , shouldn't I ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} We'll just put almost two ,", "Project Manager : One point seven f five .", "Marketing : because I'm not gonna get into silly decimal places .", "Project Manager : Okay , mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . Or we {disfmarker} or if we want to really bring it down , we can do later . Um mm now we're looking at", "Industrial Designer : D_ .", "Marketing : it incorporates current fashion trends , now that's particularly in relation to our market research findings about the spongy texture to the exterior and the fruit and vegetable design colours .", "Industrial Designer : One . Yeah .", "Marketing : Right . So I'm just thinking , before I give it my rating , you were limited in the use of materials for your prototype here .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Is this actually going to be the colours that you would use ?", "Industrial Designer : No , no , the the base colour was um {vocalsound} white or or like or l sort of a light blue ,", "User Interface : White . With {disfmarker} for the plastic ? Uh blue .", "Industrial Designer : but the changeable fa faces would uh allow you to get any {disfmarker} basically any one of a number of colours that uh th it's full sort of customised .", "Marketing : Right .", "User Interface : Any {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So we could use any strong fruit and veg colours and that's what we're intending to do .", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , yeah", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And the spongy feel is no problem with that .", "User Interface : Yeah , because you'll be having a {disfmarker} Because of the rubber case .", "Industrial Designer : No , no , 'cause th that's that's the the spongy feel would be in the rubber that you put round it , that {disfmarker} otherwise it's just sort of hard plastic .", "Marketing : Okay . In that case it's got to be a one for me .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I'll give it a one as well .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : One .", "Marketing : Everybody ? Okay .", "User Interface : One .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} That part was nice and easy .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . Uh moving on to does the design minimise repetitive strain injury .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : I don't think we've really touched on that a lot .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : We've we've discussed it , we haven't really come up with anything that we felt could feasibly reduce that . We've talked about pointers , but the very use of a remote control , if you're someone who's zapping , who's sitting like that , and we found so many people did , how do you minimise that on such a small device ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Well the type of button that we're gonna use in the bottom half , the material , minimises R_S_I_", "Industrial Designer : It's meant to be .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : it's meant to . Um", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : maybe because it's slightl", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : with the size that we've got it's quite small ,", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : but with the amount of stuff we're putting on it isn't that much .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : So maybe because there's more space , it's not kind of moving around trying to hit accurately the buttons in between .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Right .", "Project Manager : It's quite obvious just big buttons . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Right . I think I'm gonna have to be neutral on that and give it a four .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah , I'd uh I'd f I'd go for a five , actually ,", "Marketing : A five , okay .", "Industrial Designer : 'cause {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Four .", "Marketing : Four and a four okay .", "User Interface : Four .", "Marketing : Twenty one {disfmarker} is that twenty one ?", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : So that's four point two five .", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Marketing : And finally , last but not least , easy to locate . Now we talked about voice recognition , we talked about a beeper , have we really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : have the designers come to any dec real decision on that ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it was it was uh a voice voice recognition ,", "User Interface : Voice r recognition .", "Marketing : It was the I'm here thing ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : yep . And are we happy with the costs on that ? That is going to be feasible , cost-wise .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , that {disfmarker} yeah , that's feasible .", "Marketing : That sounds good then . I'd go for a {disfmarker} I ca we can adjust the volume on that , just as we could volume on T_V_ . So if sombody's in the other room or if T_V_s in different rooms , or .", "Industrial Designer : Um I think it would r I think it would probably be a a stand it would be a stand", "Project Manager : A standard .", "Industrial Designer : it would be quite loud .", "Project Manager : It would be .", "Marketing : Right . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So it would be s p", "Marketing : You built into the feature .", "Project Manager : And if you didn't hear it in the room that you were standing in , then you'd realise that it wasn't in that room , you'd go into another room .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . Logical . That's a one for me .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , one .", "Marketing : One", "Project Manager : One .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and one , good .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I do realise that we might be being fairly biased , 'cause it is our product ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : how do we feel about this ?", "Industrial Designer : {gap} {gap}", "Marketing : We've got our our {disfmarker} we've got the highest rating of meeting the specifications that is definitely true for two of the uh six criteria there . That is for um incorporates current fashion trends and is easy to locate . The lowest rating we've got , which is really n it's not terribly low , i it's close around neutral is for uh the minimisation of repetitive strain injury . {vocalsound} Do we feel on the basis of tha of these evaluation findings that we can go ahead and now produce this as a prototype and market it , or do we have to make further modifications ?", "Project Manager : I don't think so .", "Industrial Designer : W I thin yeah , I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : We happy to go ahead ?", "Project Manager : I think we {disfmarker} yeah . I think we're set .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . I think for most of those ratings that it's high enough at the upper end of the scale for us to go ahead with that , and I really doubt if on the basis of current technology and our current capabilities , we could actually do much more to minimise that .", "Project Manager : Do much apart from having a huge big {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : I know . Okay . Well , I hope that's uh clear to the team . Is there anything you would like to to ask me about the findings before I sum up ?", "Project Manager : Don't think so .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : Good . Fine then . I'll just leave it there ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 155, 368 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "options , location , recording equipment", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD F suggested that if Mari wasn't using the equipment from IBM, they could set up a room in the linguistics department for the equipment if they got it because there may be a lot more psych in another building where they could record people. 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Well , Morgan , you were mentioning that Mari may not use the k equipment from IBM if they found something else , cuz there 's a {disfmarker}", "Professor D : They 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} yeah , they 're d they 're uh {disfmarker} assessing whether they should do that or y do something else , hopefully over the next few weeks .", "PhD F : Cuz I mean , one remote possibility is that if we st if we inherited that equipment , if she weren't using it , could we set up a room in the linguistics department ? And {disfmarker} and I mean , there {disfmarker} there may be a lot more {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or in psych , or in comp wherever , in another building where we could um , record people there . I think we 'd have a better chance", "Grad B : I think we 'd need a real motivated partner to do that . We 'd need to find someone on campus who was interested in this .", "PhD F : Right , but {disfmarker} Right . But if there were such a {disfmarker} I mean it 's a remote possibility , then um , you know , one of us could you know , go up there and record the meeting or something rather than bring all of them down here .", "Grad B : Yep .", "PhD F : So it 's just a just a thought if they end up not using the {disfmarker} the hardware .", "Professor D : Well , the other thing {disfmarker} Yeah , I mean the other thing that I was hoping to do in the first place was to turn it into some kind of portable thing so you could wheel it around .", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : Uh . But . Um , and {disfmarker}", "Grad B : Well , I know that space is really scarce on {disfmarker} at least in CS . You know , to {disfmarker} to actually find a room that we could use regularly might actually be very difficult .", "Professor D : Uh {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD F : But you may not need a separate room , you know ,", "Grad B : That 's true .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : the idea is , if they have a meeting room and they can guarantee that the equipment will be safe and so forth , and if one of us is up there once a week to record the meeting or something {disfmarker}", "Grad B : True . Mm - hmm . Yep .", "Professor D : Well , maybe John would let us put it into the phonology lab or something .", "PhD F : Huh .", "Grad B : Yep .", "Professor D : You know .", "PhD F : I {disfmarker} I think it 's not out of the question .", "Grad B : Yeah , I think it would be interesting because then we could regularly get another meeting .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : Um . 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I don't know .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Eh , if you {disfmarker} you want to {disfmarker} to record , eh , a seminar or a class , eh , in the university , you {disfmarker} you need {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It - it would be eh eh very difficult to {disfmarker} to put , {vocalsound} eh , a lot of , eh , head phones eh in different people when you have to {disfmarker} to record only with , eh , this kind of , eh , d device .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad B : Yeah , but {disfmarker} I think if we {disfmarker} if we wanna just record with the tabletop microphones , that 's easy .", "PhD C : Oh - yeah .", "Grad B : Right ? That 's very easy ,", "PhD C : Ye - Yeah , yeah .", "Grad B : but that 's not the corpus that we 're collecting .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : Actually , that 's a int that raises an interesting point that came up in our discussion that 's maybe worth repeating . We realized that , um , when we were talking about this that , OK , there 's these different things that we want to do with it . So , um , it 's true that we wanna be selective in some ways , uh , the way that you were speaking about with , uh , not having an interlingua and uh , these other issues . But on the other hand , it 's not necessarily true that we need all of the corpus to satisfy all of it . So , a a as per the example that we wanna have a fair amount that 's done with a small n recorded with a small , uh , typ number of types of meetings But we can also have another part that 's , uh , just one or two meetings of each of a {disfmarker} of a range of them and that 's OK too . Uh , i We realized in discussion that the other thing is , what about this business of distant and close microphones ? I mean , we really wanna have a substantial amount recorded this way , that 's why we did it . But {pause} what about {disfmarker} For th for these issues of summarization , a lot of these higher level things you don't really need the distant microphone .", "PhD F : Right , I mean , I c I think there 's {disfmarker}", "Grad B : And you don't really need the close microphone , you mean .", "Professor D : You actually don't .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD F : Yea - yeah yeah , you actually don't really even need any fancy microphone .", "Postdoc E : Which one did you mean ?", "Professor D : You d You don't ne it doesn't {disfmarker} you just need some microphone , somewhere .", "Grad B : Ye - Yeah . Yep .", "PhD F : You can use found data .", "Grad B : Tape recorder .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Oh .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD F : You {disfmarker} you can .", "Professor D : You need some microphone ,", "PhD F : You can", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : but I mean {disfmarker}", "PhD F : use {disfmarker} Um , but I think that any {pause} data that we spend a lot of effort {nonvocalsound} to collect ,", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : you know , each person who 's interested in {disfmarker} I mean , we have a cou we have a bunch of different , um , slants and perspectives on what it 's useful for , um , they need to be taking charge of making sure they 're getting enough of the kind of data that they want .", "Professor D : Right .", "PhD F : And {disfmarker} So in my case , um , I think there w there is enough data for some kinds of projects and not enough for others .", "Grad B : Not enough for others , right .", "PhD F : And so {nonvocalsound} I 'm looking and thinking , \" Well I 'd be glad to walk over and record people and so {nonvocalsound} forth if it 's {disfmarker} to help th in my interest . \"", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : And other people need to do that for themselves , uh , h or at least discuss it so that we can find some optimal {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Right . 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For some of it .", "Professor D : Maybe if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} If really all you want is to have a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a recording that 's good enough to get a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , a transcription from later , you just need to grab a tape recorder and go up and make a recording .", "PhD F : Right .", "Grad B : Yep .", "Professor D : I mean , we {disfmarker} we could have a fairly {disfmarker} We could just get a DAT machine and {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Well , I agree with {nonvocalsound} Jane , though , on the other hand that {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD F : So that might be true , you may say for instance , summarization , or something that sounds very language oriented . You may say well , \" Oh yeah , you just do that from transcripts of a radio show . \" I mean , you don't even need the speech signal .", "Professor D : Right .", "PhD F : But what you {disfmarker} what I was thinking is long term what would be neat is to be able to pick up on um {disfmarker} Suppose you just had a distant microphone there and you really wanted to be able to determine this . There 's lots of cues you 're not gonna have .", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : So I {pause} do think that long term you should always try to satisfy the greatest number of {disfmarker} of interests and have this parallel information , which is really what makes this corpus powerful .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad B : Special ? Yep .", "Professor D : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I agree .", "PhD F : Otherwise , you know , lots of other sites can propose {disfmarker} individual studies , so {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Uh but I {disfmarker} I think that the uh {vocalsound} i We can't really underestimate the difficulty {disfmarker} shouldn't really u underestimate the difficulty of getting a setup like this up .", "Grad B : Yep .", "Professor D : And so , {disfmarker} uh it took quite a while to get that together and to say , \" Oh , we 'll just do it up there , \" {disfmarker}", "PhD F : OK .", "Professor D : If you 're talking about something simple , where you throw away a lot of these dimensions , then you can do that right away . Talking about something that has all of these different facets that we have here , it won't happen quickly , it won't be easy , and there 's all sorts of issues about th you know {vocalsound} keeping the equipment safe , or else hauling it around , and all sorts of o", "PhD F : So then maybe we should {nonvocalsound} {pause} try to bring people here .", "Grad B : Here .", "Professor D : I think the first priority should be to pry {comment} to get {disfmarker} try to get people to come here .", "PhD F : I mean , that 's that 's {disfmarker} OK , so", "Professor D : We 're set up for it .", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : The room is {disfmarker} is really , uh , underused .", "PhD F : OK .", "Professor D : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Right .", "Postdoc E : I thought the free lunch idea was a great idea .", "Grad B : Yeah , I thought so too .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : Free lunch is good .", "PhD F : Yeah , I {disfmarker} And I think we can get people to come here , that {disfmarker} But the issue is you definitely wanna make sure that the kind of group you 're getting is the right group so that you don't waste a lot of your time {nonvocalsound} and the overhead in bringing people down .", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : No crunchy food .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : So {disfmarker} {comment} Well , it would be {pause} lunch afterwards .", "Grad B : Well , I was thinking , lunch after .", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD F : Right . And they 'd have to do their digits or they don't get dessert .", "Grad B : Yep .", "Professor D : Yeah , they have to do their digits or they don't {comment} get {disfmarker} they don't {comment} get their food .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad B : Um , I had a {disfmarker} I spoke with some people up at Haas Business School who volunteered .", "Professor D : Yeah", "Grad B : Should I pursue that ?", "PhD F : Oh , definitely , yeah .", "Grad B : Yeah . So . They {disfmarker} they originally {disfmarker} They 've decided not to do {disfmarker} go into speech .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad B : So I 'm not sure whether they 'll still be so willing to volunteer , but I 'll send an email and ask .", "Professor D : Tell them about the free lunch .", "Grad B : I 'll tell them about the free lunch .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad B : And they 'll say there 's no such thing .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad B : So .", "PhD F : I 'd love to get people that are not linguists or engineers , cuz these are both weird {disfmarker}", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The oth the other h", "PhD F : well , I know , I shouldn't say that .", "Grad B : That 's alright . No , the they {disfmarker} they 're very weird .", "PhD F : We need a wider sampling .", "PhD A : \" Beep . \"", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : Uh , \" beep \"", "Grad B : The problem with engineers is \" beep . \"", "Professor D : Uh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} They make funny sounds . The o the o the other {disfmarker} The other thing is , uh , that we {disfmarker} we talked about is give to them {disfmarker} uh , burn an extra CD - ROM .", "Grad B : Yep . Let them have their meeting .", "Professor D : and give them {disfmarker} So if they want a {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} basically and audio record of their {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Well , I thought that was {disfmarker} I thought he meant , \" Give them a music CD , \" like they g {vocalsound} Then he said a CD of the {disfmarker} of their speech", "Professor D : Oh .", "PhD F : and I guess it depends of what kind of audience you 're talking to , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You know , I personally {nonvocalsound} would not want a {nonvocalsound} CD {comment} of my meeting ,", "Grad B : Mmm . Of the meeting ?", "PhD F : but {vocalsound} maybe {disfmarker} yeah , {pause} maybe you 're", "Professor D : If you 're having some planning meeting of some sort and uh you 'd like {disfmarker}", "PhD F : right . {comment} Right . Right .", "PhD A : Oh , that 's a good idea .", "Grad B : It 'd be fun . I think it would just be fun , you know , if nothing else , you know .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : Right .", "Grad B : It 's a novelty item .", "Professor D : But it als It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it also I think builds up towards the goal .", "PhD F : Right .", "Professor D : We 're saying , \" Look , you know , you 're gonna get this . Is - is isn't that neat . Then you 're gonna go home with it . It 's actually p It 's probably gonna be pretty useless to you ,", "Grad B : Yep .", "Professor D : but you 'll ge appreciate , you know , where it 's useful and where it 's useless ,", "PhD F : Right .", "Professor D : and then , we 're gonna move this technology , so it 'll become useful . \"", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : So .", "PhD F : No , I think that 's a great idea , actually .", "PhD A : What if you could tell them that you 'll give them the {disfmarker} the transcripts when they come back ?", "Postdoc E : Alth", "PhD F : But we might need a little more to incentivize them , {comment} that 's all .", "Grad B : Oh , yeah . I mean , anyone can have the transcripts . So . I thought we could point that out .", "Professor D : Oh yeah .", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD F : Well , that 's interesting .", "Postdoc E : I hav I have to uh raise a little eensy - weensy concern about doing th giving them the CD immediately , because of these issues of , you know , this kind of stuff , {comment} where maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You know ?", "Professor D : Good point . That 's a very good point .", "Postdoc E : So .", "Professor D : So we can {disfmarker} so we can {disfmarker}", "Postdoc E : We could burn it after it 's been cleared with the transcript stage .", "Professor D : r Right .", "Postdoc E : And then they {disfmarker} they get a CD , but just not the same day .", "PhD F : Oh , right .", "Grad B : Yeah , that 's right .", "PhD F : If {disfmarker} It should be the same CD - ROM that we distribute publically ,", "Grad B : That 's a good point . Right , it can't be the internal one .", "PhD F : right ?", "Professor D : Although it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Otherwise they 're not allowed to play it for anyone .", "Postdoc E : There we go .", "Grad B : That 's right .", "Postdoc E : Oh , I like that . Well put . Well put . So , after the transcript screening phase .", "Grad B : Yeah , that 's true .", "Postdoc E : Things have been weeded out .", "PhD F : Otherwise we 'd need two lawyer stages .", "Postdoc E : Yeah , that 's right , say {comment} \" Yeah , well , I got this CD , and , Your Honor , I {disfmarker} \"", "Grad B : Yeah .", "PhD F : That 's a good point .", "Professor D : Yeah so that 's {disfmarker} so let 's start with Haas , and Yeah .", "PhD F : Sorry to have to {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} Sorry I have to {pause} leave .", "Professor D : Oh , that 's fine .", "PhD F : I will be here full - time next week .", "Grad B : OK , see you .", "Professor D : OK .", "Grad B : No . Bye .", "Professor D : That 's alright .", "PhD A : See you .", "Professor D : OK .", "PhD C : See you ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 124, 304 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional requirement , priority , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing started saying that they would be discussing, so it said a little briefing, then it reminded the team that the company motto was that they put fashion in electronics and that they like when they provided the international market with fashionable products, so Marketing thinks that that should be their priority here.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Priority of Functional Requirement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functional requirement , priority , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing started saying that they would be discussing the functional requirements of the remote, after a little briefing, then it reminded the team that the company motto and purpose, because they wanted to provide the international market with fashionable products, hence their motto of they put fashion in electronics, so that should be their priority there, so they should looking trends on clothing design.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Priority of Functional Requirement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they use only a few buttons, a small amount. Project Manager said that would be appealing to use concise buttons, and that with channel surfing they needed something more durable because channel-changers rubbed down buttons if they were printed. Marketing said that it had statistics on the relevancy of the buttons, as an example the power button was very important, and the channel selection was used a hundred times, so it was the most important button, because of that they wanted a more durable button, and same for volume selection.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Discussing About the Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "buttons , function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that fifty percent of users used only ten percent of buttons. Project Manager said it would be appealing if they had very concise buttons, and with lots of surfing, they needed something a lot more durable, because the numbers get rubbed down if it was printed on the button. Marketing said statistics of the relevancy of the buttons, so the power button was only used once in an hour, but the relevance was nine out of ten, and the channel selection was used a hundred and sixty-eight times per hour, so it was the most important button.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Discussing About the Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions , customers , pay more", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that more people would spend more money if a remote looked fancy, like a remote control with personality, and that a large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote control, a number would be ninety-one point two percent of the younger people, then it said that they wanted to figure what market they were targeting.", "title": "Marketing Talking About the Functions that Customers Would Pay More", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ], 94 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functions , customers , pay more", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that eighty percent of users would spend more money if a remote looked fancy, with personality, and that a large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote control, one statistic would be that ninety-two percent of clients from the age of fifteen to twenty-five would pay extra money for that function, but older people would not.", "title": "Marketing Talking About the Functions that Customers Would Pay More", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ], 94 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interior design", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "In the briefing, Marketing reminded everyone about their motto, and it was that they put fashion in electronics, so that was the priority there, and that they looked to trends in clothing and interior design, not just in electronic fashion, so that was something that fitted in the household, any trends in media and public, like who was famous.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Interior Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interior design", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; discussing; functional requirement; needs and desires are to be fulfilled; some marketing research; interviews; some internet research; firstly I wanted to remind; our company motto and purpose; we believe; providing international market with fashionable products; motto , we put the fashion in electronics; we should; be looking to trends in clothing and interior design . Not just in electronic fashion; fits in the household; looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design .; Any trends; in the public , even media;", "title": "Marketing Talking About Interior Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "youngest age group", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing started talking about ideas of percentages of the public, showed some numbers, like the youngest age group, fifteen to twenty-something, they would pay extra money for voice recognition in their remote control, so they would target young adults because it could pay off. Project Manager agreed, and said that they should look into that.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Talking About the Youngest Age Group", "relevant_turns": [ [ 94, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "youngest age group", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing started talking about ideas of percentages of the public, showed some numbers, like the youngest age group, fifteen to twenty-five, ninety-one point two percent said that they would pay extra money for voice recognition in their remote control, and numbers increased when age got up, so they would target young adults because it could pay off. Project Manager agreed, and said that they should look into that.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Talking About the Youngest Age Group", "relevant_turns": [ [ 94, 97 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Okay . So I'll be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control . Um , and I'll give you a little briefing on what that means exactly . Um , if you all remember from the email we got before our very first uh kick-off meeting , with the coffee machine ? The functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly . Um , so what I'll be talking about now is the equivalent for a remote control . Um , so basically what needs and desires are to be fulfilled . Um , I've done some marketing research , a lot of interviews with remote control users , um , and some internet research . And I'll show you my findings . Oh , and firstly I wanted to remind you about our company motto and purpose . So we believe in providing international market with fashionable products . Um , hence our motto , we put the fashion in electronics . So I think that should be our priority here . Um , and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design . Not just in electronic fashion . So that it's something that fits in the household .", "Project Manager : I'm sorry , what was that last thing that you just said ?", "Marketing : Um , we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Any trends that are going on in , in the public , even media ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : you know who's famous , what T_V_ shows are being watched ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : um , to influence our remote control . Okay , so the findings . Um , seventy five percent of users of remote controls find them ugly . Which is a , quite a significant number .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um , the other twenty five percent didn't specify if they love them or found them , you know , neutral . Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user .", "Project Manager : I'm sorry , that eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . You mean that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control ?", "Marketing : Yeah , they're willing , they're willing to spend money on a remote control with personality .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : As opposed to your basic , you know , oval black , all same size button remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , so it is something that people care about . It's not , it's not ignored in the household . Um , seventy five percent of remote control users said that they zap a lot . Zapping meaning they go through channels a lot .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : They're you know thumb-masters . Um , and fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons . That A very small amount . Thought that was interesting .", "Project Manager : Alright , so it might be very appealing if , um , we have very concise buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . {gap} the single function .", "Project Manager : And another thing with um lots of surfing , we'd probably have to work on something that could be um a lot more durable ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : because I find with um channel-changers that , um , a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they're printed on the button .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah that's a good point .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : And actually to go with that , I'm gonna give you some statistics on the uh relevancy of the buttons , how much they're used . And uh how important the uh users find them . So the power button , obviously , in an hour is only used once . Hopefully the person's not turning on and off the T_V_ . Um , but the relevance of that button is nine out of ten . So people wanna be able to turn on the T_V_ with the remote control . Um , as opposed to standing up and turning on the television set . Channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times on average per hour .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That's a huge amount . This is the most important button . Um , so obviously when commercials come on they're changing it , so as you said we want a durable button that's not gonna run down . Relevance of that button , our users found was uh ten , ten out of ten . Uh , ditto for volume selection , so ten out of ten . And it's used on average four times an hour . Not as much as channel selection , but still significant . Um , audio settings is used on average zero point eight times an hour . Relevance is two . Screen settings , which means brightness , colour etcetera , zero point five times an hour . Um , and relevance of one point five . We're getting to specific statistics here . Teletext , um , now I'm not too clear on what that is . I don't know if you can help me . Flipping pages .", "User Interface : It's um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Is that {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's like the news . Or like information .", "User Interface : It has {disfmarker} T_V_ has like information , it has information on holidays , the news , entertainment .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : The {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and what's on .", "Marketing : So like a running banner , underneath {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No it's a button that you press , and then you , uh , like a menu pops up .", "User Interface : No , li Yeah .", "Project Manager : I haven't used it before", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : It's like {disfmarker}", "User Interface : And you have page numbers like for the menu , and you press the page numbers with your remote , and it , it'll come up .", "Industrial Designer : It's like very basic internet . Sort of ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Very basic internet , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But you have {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay . Like tells you the weather , and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . But you have no interaction back with it , you know .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Like the internet you can send emails and {disfmarker} You've no interaction .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it's just information that um , like television timetables , what's on , what's on now , what's on next , on every channel , and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Right .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Alright . Well I guess I'm not with it , because I wasn't {disfmarker} But it's , it's being used fourteen times an hour . Um , and has a r a high relevance of six point five . So it looks like something that we're gonna want to do some research on and include on our remote control .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , channel settings . Zero point zero one times an hour . Relevance of three . Channel settings .", "User Interface : Uh , probably just tuning in the channels , would it be ?", "Marketing : P Sorry . Changing the channels ?", "User Interface : Tuning them in at the very start . You know if you get a new T_V_ set , you tune in all the channels ,", "Industrial Designer : To get the right reception and picture , I suppose .", "User Interface : do you th do you think ?", "Marketing : Oh , okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Um , so it's not used very often , but people still find it relevant . Okay . Um , biggest frustrations of uh the people that we interviewed . Remote controls are often lost somewhere . So that was already discussed by Poppy . How we could have a , an alarm system so that people can find it . Um , takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : So it should be very user-friendly , you know . People know what to do very quickly . Um , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound} {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Repetitive strain injury .", "User Interface : Repeti Uh .", "Marketing : Ah .", "Industrial Designer : I think .", "Marketing : Is that what it is ? People with arthritis and such ?", "Project Manager : That's rather sad . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um , maybe our", "Industrial Designer : Oh , I'm guessing that's what it is . I'm not {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah . I think it is .", "Marketing : designers can look into that . Um , buttons that don't require , you know , very firm pushing , if they respond .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Yeah .", "Marketing : But we'll have to also avoid , you know , buttons responding to the slightest touch as well . That's a problem .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . It is .", "Marketing : Okay . Did you guys uh get that one down ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Marketing : Um {vocalsound} okay , here's some ideas for you . A large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls . So I'll show you some numbers here . Um , so the youngest age group , fifteen to twenty five . Ninety one point two percent said that they would pay extra money to have voice recogni voice recognition included on their remote control . Um , and you can see that number decreases a bit with ol s Interestingly enough , twenty five to thirty five is the lowest amount . Um , that would , are willing to pay extra . So I guess we're gonna have to figure out what age group we're , we're targeting , and if and if voice recognition is something we wanna look into . And if we have the budget for it . Um , if we are targeting young adults , it looks like something that would pay off . Seeing as ninety percent , over ninety percent would pay for it .", "Project Manager : I agree with um {disfmarker} if we're targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into . Um , financially and and functionally .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um , and especially if we are um trying to be trendy , go with fashions , things like that .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um , ages like from thirty five to sixty five which show lower numbers probably won't be as concerned .", "Marketing : So that , that's a whole other field of research . I don't know if it'd be , if we'd still have a remote , or if you're talking to your television and saying change channel .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um and depending on how many members you have in households .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So it m it may be too complicated for us , but it's something to keep in mind anyway .", "Project Manager : Yeah . And something that might further complicate it is that the T_V_ makes noise itself .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Right .", "Project Manager : Wonder if it would have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And if there was conversation in the room at the same time ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : although in theory it doesn't tend to be when you're watching television ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but {vocalsound} {gap} could be very difficult to get the specific uh design .", "Project Manager : {gap} Yeah . If we're looking for a simplistic design , if {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : We need to decide if that is our um intention is , is a simplistic design .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Mm .", "Project Manager : Um , because if , if it is then I think voice , um voice-activated {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It looks like {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : because if people can activate the television with their voice then they won't be using a , they won't be talking into a remote , I'm sure .", "Marketing : It'd be like the ultimate remote . {gap} Um {vocalsound} okay . And th the last thing here was a , an L_C_D_ screen . So , I mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us . Not practical . Um an L_C_D_ screen though might be something that , you know , you can shift through pages kind of li the way this PowerPoint is working .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So that you don't have so many buttons to deal with .", "Project Manager : Um , I don't know what an L_C_D_ screen is .", "Marketing : Oh sorry , just , just a screen , like a computer screen . S Or like um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mobile phone .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Or {disfmarker} Like an alarm clock . You'd have an L_C_D_ versus just a , a normal clock .", "Industrial Designer : What , what would appear on the screen ?", "Project Manager : I have no idea still . {vocalsound} I'm sorry . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh just like an electronic screen . As opposed to just buttons . There would be like a little , like on {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh , on the remote . Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah . Like on the top of a cellphone , the the little L_C_D_ screen .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , now that's , I , I dunno exactly what exactly we'd put on there . I guess the channel that you're on , the v the volume setting .", "User Interface : Yeah . Could it it {disfmarker} It would be good if it had the actual programme that was on , and what was next . But that would probably be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Like linked in with the teletext ,", "User Interface : Yeah . That would be good , yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : or sort of like an teletext at your fingers , without having to access that through the television .", "User Interface : Yeah . Might be quite expensive to do that though .", "Industrial Designer : Mm , Yeah . Could be . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Well I guess that's something we can all take back to our respective research .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um , and finally , whoops , my personal preferences and thoughts . Um , I think our priority really should be unique design . Um , we want something that people want in their home . Every remote control looks the same , so uh in my opinion it should be , um , user-friendly and unique . So the other stuff might be a little too , a little too gadgety for some people .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , I th myself , voice recognition kind of scares me off .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So if we're , if we're aiming to make this an international university , universally accepted product {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um , and for all , the other thing is like age market . I mean if we wanted to concentrate on fifteen to twenty five years olds , we could go for the fancy stuff . But if we wanna make fifty million , and and have everyone want this remote control , we should maybe stick to the basics .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And we should keep in mind that fifteen to twenty five year olds might not have twenty five Euros to spend on a remote control . Like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control , when they're just starting out", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : and , yeah .", "Marketing : Right . And we have to keep in mind the , the reliability of our research . I mean , you know , a sixteen year old boy would say , yeah I'd pay extra for voice recognition , until they realise that's three months allowance .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um , so I I think , I think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more .", "User Interface : Early twenties , that's the kind of age group .", "Project Manager : Yeah . And if one of the largest , uh , or most complained about thing is that it takes so long to get to know how to use a remote control ,", "User Interface : Twenties .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I'm sure that something like an L_C_D_ screen or remote control would be just furthering that problem .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Complicated jus complicating things even fo Mm .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Alright .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . 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We were not finished .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , w we had so much information , that we get through email and just {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We're not finished .", "Marketing : Uh .", "User Interface : Uh I think we {vocalsound} we got wrong information at the wrong time . I think that was the m biggest problem .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Like uh the prices . If we knew that before , we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , th that's weird .", "Marketing : Yeah , because the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now .", "User Interface : Yeah , and if you had uh fifteen Euros , then we would {gap} it .", "Marketing : And then {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : We had to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm hmm yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , finance .", "Industrial Designer : So we're bacal basically just lucky to uh get the price right .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But the teamwork was okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , uh everybody could speak their uh opinion . And uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I think uh everyone listen to each other .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design .", "Project Manager : Yeah . 'Kay . Yeah , what I have to say about uh means . The smart board is okay . Digital pen is horrible . I dunno if you use it . But if you want to download it to your computer , it's doesn't work .", "User Interface : It was {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Just doesn't work .", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : Well uh smart board would be very uh nice to work with , if it worked really well .", "Marketing : Digital pen or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} Yeah .", "User Interface : Just not work too slow .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , i if if it would be faster , it would be great .", "Marketing : Yeah , the drawings are are hard to make , I think .", "User Interface : Yeah , more accurate . Yeah , it's i It should be more accurate .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Precise .", "User Interface : And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from , just with a mouse , from where you're sitting .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Not just pointing out on it .", "Project Manager : It's the same for the presenta for the presentations . You can do it from here . That's much easier than standing there .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And so you've {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , and p just point with a mouse .", "User Interface : No use to draw on the board itself . It's just slows down .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : But you might as well do it in normal computer style .", "Project Manager : like {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah , even harder to draw like this than black board style .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah . And it's far too slow this way .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : You cou You could draw on it , but not as main function .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : {gap} I think {disfmarker} Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : Digital pen .", "Project Manager : So we made it in time . {vocalsound} And we made a remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} We did it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : In the budget , yeah .", "User Interface : New ideas found .", "Marketing : New ideas .", "User Interface : Oh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : What's that ?", "Marketing : For for for {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I don't know what it mean . Just {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I just think if we uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} To gather , or to uh work together , uh or new ideas for {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : For remote control probably .", "User Interface : I dunno .", "Project Manager : No , for the project . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : For remote control , a favourite for your text .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : No , for the prototype . New ideas .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this . Because we don't have any sizes and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . But it's for the next team . We don't have to do that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but it {disfmarker} You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think .", "User Interface : That's for {gap} . Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , just brainstorming basically .", "User Interface : Yeah . Details uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So are we finished ?", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Yes , I think just {disfmarker} I just write a final report .", "User Interface : Quite early .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : No , we have only four minutes left . Uh it's okay .", "Industrial Designer : Oh okay .", "User Interface : Oh , what do we have to do now . Do we uh {disfmarker} I thought we were done at four o'clock ?", "Industrial Designer : It's now quarter past three . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : {gap} I should take some pictures uh .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm we can do it afterwards , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yes . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Let's play minesweeper .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I found it as well .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Ti-din ti-din .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} One two three four five six seven cameras . Mm not bad .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So that was it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Now we can look at this .", "User Interface : This is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} We're probably not supposed to look at this , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The old versions .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , from the previous group . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : They went for uh for a universal device .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : The touchscreen , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , but also a different device {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Then an L_C_D_ uh would be handy .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . Here are the basic functions in here , the selecting dev devices .", "User Interface : Yeah , and touch screens for all our stuff , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : I do agree with that . Yeah , tu-dum . English is not so hard by the way .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : I'm breaking a world record here .", "User Interface : Well , leader ? Project Manager ?", "Marketing : Oh shit . {vocalsound} We've got a problem , Paul .", "User Interface : You do ? Yeah , you have to make a choice .", "Marketing : Yes . No it's your choice .", "User Interface : Wow , that's pretty quick .", "Marketing : Tu-dum . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh uh um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Just pick one .", "User Interface : You have to decide . It's the lower one .", "Marketing : What's this ? A bomb or not a bo", "User Interface : No no , the upper one is the bomb .", "Marketing : This the bomb ?", "User Interface : Yes . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Wrong . Shit .", "User Interface : I knew it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I knew it . {vocalsound} Four in a row .", "User Interface : No . {vocalsound} That's too much work .", "Marketing : Uh . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Come on .", "Marketing : Is that previous work ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , this one .", "User Interface : I challenge you .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh , that's so stupid . No , that doesn't work .", "User Interface : No , you gotta use the magic pen . Hmm . What if I put one there ?", "Marketing : That's stupid .", "User Interface : We'll see .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : I don't agree .", "Marketing : Mm . {vocalsound} Sorry .", "User Interface : Yeah , you had two choices . That's gonna be draw . Or not .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : Too bad .", "User Interface : I'll put it here . You are going to put it there .", "Marketing : Yeah , then I put it there . {vocalsound} No one wins .", "User Interface : It's a difficult choice , either here or there .", "Industrial Designer : This is a very interesting design .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Ugly .", "Marketing : It's just the same as normal .", "User Interface : Oh {gap} a pen .", "Industrial Designer : Well it has a L_C_D_ , I think .", "User Interface : Yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Then do it correctly .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Stupid design . Stupid . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} And what else do we have ?", "User Interface : Stupid , the L_C_D_ screen .", "Marketing : 'Kay wait , I'm going to draw something and you must y {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : What ? 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No , wrong .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : I think I know what you're trying to draw , but it's wrong already .", "Marketing : It's {vocalsound} very {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , you missed the right side .", "Marketing : Fuck . F", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No , you're wrong , you're wrong", "Marketing : {vocalsound} A little bit maybe , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} See where you're wrong now ? The entrance .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Warning . Finish meeting now .", "User Interface : Alright .", "Marketing : Okay , the entrance is uh more to the left .", "Industrial Designer : Warning . Warning .", "User Interface : You're correct .", "Marketing : Okay . But but but I think this part {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh no you {vocalsound} made another mistake .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh . Yeah , there are a lot of mistakes , because the walls are thick like this .", "User Interface : No I w Okay , I'm not that whiny . But uh there was a big hole here as well , and there as well .", "Marketing : Oh , that's true . Uh here . Yeah , they're walking behind the walls .", "User Interface : That's a kinda big mistake . {vocalsound} Warning , finish meeting now . Guys , I think we have to finish the meeting .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : 'Kay this is a hard one .", "User Interface : Uh ?", "Industrial Designer : Boom-boa-ring-bing .", "User Interface : What does it say ?", "Industrial Designer : Fill in the questionnaire . What now ?", "User Interface : Come on . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , yeah .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : No more chit-chat .", "User Interface : Oh you gotta finish", "Marketing : Che-che-che-che .", "User Interface : over there ? In your own room ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I'm gonna be so lonely .", "Marketing : Tu-dumm . Uh .", "User Interface : Mm I'll clean that up later . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : This is {disfmarker} That's my new interface .", "User Interface : What's that ?", "Marketing : That's a uh edited smiley . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Tom-ti-dom . Uh .", "Industrial Designer : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 284, 459 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product cost", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they had a budget of 12.5 Euros allocated to have a profit of 50%, so they would need to reduce expenses. Project Manager said they had 6 categories to review: Power, Source, Electronics, Case Material Supplements, Interface Type, and Button Supplements. Industrial Designer confirmed that they needed an advanced chip-on-print, that the box would be double curved and made of plastic. Marketing said it would be bright yellow. The Project Manager said that for the type of interface, they had an integrated scroll wheel push button and an LCD screen. The Industrial Designer proposed to make the button out of mahogany, while Project Manager proposed to use titanium, since they would cost the same. Industrial Designer said that depending on the TV's software, they might have the information displayed on the screen. User Interface said that this way they could get rid of the LCD screen. Project Manager said that with that change they managed to get down to the budget.", "title": "Assigned Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], 6, [ 10, 13 ], [ 20, 73 ], [ 77, 88 ], [ 95, 97 ], [ 106, 125 ], [ 135, 160 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product cost", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were 3 dollars over the budget of 12.5 Euros that they had assigned. They confirmed that the remote would be yellow plastic with single mahogany or titanium button, they would use an advanced chip-on-print, two batteries, and to stay within budget, they proposed eliminating the LCD screen and viewing the information directly on the TV.", "title": "Assigned Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], 6, [ 10, 13 ], [ 20, 73 ], [ 77, 88 ], [ 95, 97 ], [ 106, 125 ], [ 135, 160 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "batteries", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the remote needed 2 batteries to stay light, even if they needed to be changed often, you wouldn't know until after you bought it.", "title": "Batteries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "batteries", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the remote would take 2 batteries maximum.", "title": "Batteries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button supplements", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the remote would only have a push button with a scroll wheel, so they shouldn't charge anything for the button supplements, plus they could make it titanium.", "title": "Scroll-Wheel Pushbutton", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button supplements", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said there would be no charge for button supplements, because they would only have one button.", "title": "Button Supplements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 88 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Now we get to do the budget numbers . You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget . But we do . Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah so . You'd been going a long time dividing that . It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on .", "Marketing : Oh my god .", "User Interface : Two point four two basically .", "Marketing : Okay . Yeah we'll go with that .", "Project Manager : So I have here an {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Fifty percent , you're kidding .", "Marketing : Not too shabby .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} P", "Project Manager : We want a fifty percent profit on this . Oh you can't really see that very well .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Charge about three hundred quid for it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us . Okay , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's too much .", "Project Manager : Well let's see .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : The f the {disfmarker} Wonder if I can make this {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Oh it won't let me do that . Okay . Alright so at top , I don't know if you guys can read that or not . I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but so we've got the energy source . There's uh four , five , six categories .", "Industrial Designer : Battery .", "Project Manager : We have energy source , electronics , case . Then we have case material supplements , interface type , and then button supplements . Okay so {disfmarker} Uh first of all energy source , we picked battery . Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Probably some e either two or four .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Project Manager : Two ? {vocalsound} Like it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : At four it's gonna be too heavy , so that that's not our problem . People can change it every month .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Excellent .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} They won't know until after they bought it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : This is consumerism .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print , regular chip-on-print , advanced chip-on-print , sample sensor , sample speaker .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "User Interface : We're advanced chip are we ?", "Industrial Designer : That's the advanced chip-on-print , yeah .", "Project Manager : 'Kay , {gap} we have one of those . 'Kay then the case is a {disfmarker} Probably it's double curved .", "Industrial Designer : Double curved , yes .", "Project Manager : Case materials are", "Industrial Designer : Plastic .", "Project Manager : plastic . Um I guess it's two , since one for the top , one for the bottom .", "Industrial Designer : N no .", "Project Manager : Is that right or is it just one ?", "Industrial Designer : No that's just one .", "Project Manager : Maybe it's one because of the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's just one mo single mould , we can do that .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : Yeah {gap} yeah .", "Marketing : Right . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I guess it doesn't matter 'cause the price on that one is zero , which is nice .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly , right .", "Marketing : Oh .", "Project Manager : Special colour ?", "Industrial Designer : That's not a special colour . It's a specially ugly colour , but it's not special .", "Marketing : Bright yellow .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Interface type . We have pushbutton , scroll-wheel interface , integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton , and an L_C_D_ display .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : S", "Industrial Designer : S {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That's {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : So we actually have the L_C_D_ display", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And then {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and then is it the integrated or is it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I'd say the integrated .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes unfortunately .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . Button supplement ? Special colour ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um special form ? Special material .", "Industrial Designer : We could of course make the buttons wood .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Say mahogany or so", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It'd look really lovely .", "Project Manager : Or titanium .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm or titanium .", "Project Manager : They cost us all the same .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : {gap} remote control {gap} .", "Project Manager : Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged ,", "Industrial Designer : Uh just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements .", "User Interface : No that's getting a bit tiny .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I'd ignore that .", "Marketing : Leave it blank .", "Project Manager : Okay . We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a L_C_D_ and scroll . So our total is fifteen point five . Which I believe is", "Industrial Designer : Yeah that's too much .", "Project Manager : by three Euros over .", "Industrial Designer : It's hard to believe . So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake .", "User Interface : If it w What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And just had a scroll wheel interface . And the L_C_D_ display . I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though .", "Project Manager : Yeah 'cause the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well 'cause we have to have both right ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I mean let's let's face it , it also depends on the software on the on the television .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So s yeah let's take away the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah you could maybe take out the L_C_D_ dis display even ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the T_V_ itself .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : So we may not need the L_C_D_ display ?", "User Interface : Uh that is possible yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Right . We may not need it . There you go .", "Project Manager : Well there we go .", "Industrial Designer : Perfect .", "Project Manager : Twelve point five .", "User Interface : There we go .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Perfect .", "Project Manager : Okay . So we just remove our {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Screen .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : screen here .", "User Interface : Make it a bigger dial .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Easier to use . Even easier to use then .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay , the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Besides look at what the L_C_D_ does to our lovely remote .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Back to the design room boys .", "Industrial Designer : So we can just take away a heck of a lot of the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : there you go . {gap} central ?", "Marketing : What's the blue part ?", "User Interface : That was just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh that's just {disfmarker}", "User Interface : we ran out of yellow . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh that's the batteries .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : There you go", "User Interface : There you go .", "Industrial Designer : . Oops .", "User Interface : Even simpler .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Looks more like a banana .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : There you go .", "User Interface : For all those fruit lovers out there .", "Industrial Designer : One more criteria .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro . Was no . We redesigned it . Now it's yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Next slide . Project evaluation . Uh project process , satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , new ideas found . Um {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} I guess that {disfmarker} Let's see here . I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me . But I'd like to hear your thoughts .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Fair enough . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 64, "turns": [ 97, 253 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "possible detailed designings , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface drew a proposal for the shape of the remote, it would be a sphere that would flip open with a strong hinge in the middle and some simple buttons inside. It might even have lights around it. Industrial Designer said it would have to be flat on at least one side, so it wouldn't roll, and that the hinges might be brittle. Marketing proposed to have a shape similar to the keyboard of video games, it would be big and bulky, and it would open with hinges. User Interface said that it would be better to have something that fits easily in your hand. Industrial Designer said that if the remote was too small, it would not be as functional, although it would look better. Project Manager said that if the ball had grips on the side, it would be easier to hold and would make it flat on the bottom. Industrial Designer asked if they really wanted to always open it to use it, because the user would probably keep it open all the time. Project Manager said it wouldn't be functional and to go back to the one shaped like a keyboard. Industrial Designer said game pads were functional because of the shape of a full hand and because their round shape made them comfortable, but they probably wouldn't stray from the typical design, because they would have to show which was front and which was back to know where to point. Project Manager asked if they could have a sensor on each side. Industrial Designer said yes, but it would be more expensive, plus eventually, it would be obvious what the front was, but it wouldn't be instinctive. Project Manager said that they should follow the plan and that the marketing department should review what people wanted.", "title": "Remote Control Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, [ 12, 13 ], [ 18, 20 ], 24, 44, 47, [ 50, 54 ], 56, [ 61, 62 ], [ 65, 69 ], 76, [ 83, 86 ], [ 89, 92 ], [ 96, 101 ], 104, [ 109, 117 ], [ 120, 123 ], [ 127, 131 ], 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "possible detailed designings , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface draw a proposal for the shape of the remote, it would be a kind of sphere connected together, which would flip open, like a flip phone with a strong hinge in the middle and as few buttons as possible inside. It might even have lights around it. Industrial Designer said it would have to be flat on at least one side, so it wouldn't roll, and that the hinges might be brittle. User Interface wanted to break away from the typical rectangular remote control. Marketing proposed to have a shape similar to a video game keyboard, it could be big and bulky, and it would open with hinges. User Interface said that it would be better to have something that fits more easily in the hand. Project Manager said that people would prefer to use only one hand. User Interface said that it definitely had to be able to be used with one hand. Industrial Designer said that they should be careful about the size, because if the remote was too small, it would not be as functional, even though it would look better. Project Manager said that if the ball had grips along the side, it would be easier to hold and would make it flat on the bottom, unless the cover was flipped. Industrial Designer asked if they really wanted to always open it to use it, because the user would probably keep it open all the time, although they might take into account that if the user accidentally breaks it, they could sell more. Project Manager said that even if it looked cool, it wouldn't really be functional, so maybe they should go back to the keyboard-shaped one. Industrial Designer said game pads were functional because of the shape of a full hand and because they had a round shape underneath that made them comfy and nice, but they probably wouldn't stray from the typical design, because they would have to show which was the front and which was the back to know where to point. Project Manager asked if they could have a sensor on both sides, so it could work either way. Industrial Designer said yes, but it would be more expensive, plus eventually, it would be obvious where to point, since it would have the numbers and the buttons, but it wouldn't be instinctive. Project Manager said that they should follow the plan and that the marketing department should review what people wanted.", "title": "Remote Control Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, [ 12, 13 ], [ 18, 20 ], 24, 44, 47, [ 50, 54 ], 56, [ 61, 62 ], [ 65, 69 ], 76, [ 83, 86 ], [ 89, 92 ], [ 96, 101 ], 104, [ 109, 117 ], [ 120, 123 ], [ 127, 131 ], 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spherical remote control , design , ideal remote control , detailed designings", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed that the remote be shaped like a sphere, flip open, and have a hinge in the middle. Industrial Designer said it would have to be flat on at least one side, so it wouldn't roll, and they would have to be careful with the hinges. Industrial Designer said that they should be careful about the size too, because if the remote was too small, it might not be as functional, even if it looked better. Project Manager talked about the possibility of the ball having grips and so it could be flat on the bottom, unless the cover was flipped. Industrial Designer asked if they really wanted to open it to use it, because the user would probably keep it open, although they had to keep in mind that if the user accidentally broke it, they would sell more, so it wouldn't matter if it wasn't as stable.", "title": "Spherical Proposal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, [ 12, 13 ], 17, [ 18, 20 ], 39, 47, [ 89, 92 ], [ 96, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "spherical remote control , design , ideal remote control , detailed designings", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface wanted to draw a proposal where the remote would be a kind of sphere that you could flip open, like a flip phone with a strong hinge in the middle. Industrial Designer said it would have to be flat on at least one side because it could roll around like a ball, and you'd risk the hinges too. Therefore, they would have to find a balance between stability and design. Project Manager said the ball wouldn't be the easiest to hold, so it could have a grip, plus people would like to be able to use it with one hand. Industrial Designer said they had to be careful about the size, because they knew from cell phones that it might be too small, and if the remote was too small, it might not be as functional, even though it looked better. Project Manager said that with the grips on the side, it could be flat on the bottom, unless the cover was flipped. Industrial Designer asked if they really wanted to always open it to use it, because the user would probably keep it open all the time, although they had to keep in mind that if the user accidentally broke it, they could sell more. So it would be fine if it wasn't too stable.", "title": "Spherical Proposal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, [ 12, 13 ], 17, [ 18, 20 ], 39, 47, [ 89, 92 ], [ 96, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "adressing potential problems , joystick keyboard , agreement , ideal remote control , detailed designings", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to make the remote like a gaming keyboard. Industrial Designer said it should be the size of a hand, although it would have to be elongated to show where to point. Project Manager asked if he could have two sensors. Industrial Designer said it would be more expensive, but by looking at the numbers you could tell which was the front.", "title": "Keyboard-Style Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 56 ], [ 61, 62 ], [ 65, 69 ], 76, [ 83, 86 ], [ 104, 131 ], 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "adressing potential problems , joystick keyboard , agreement , ideal remote control , detailed designings", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing, idea of, a keyboard shape, like video games. But, would be, big and bulky. User Interface, got to be, one-handed. Industrial Designer, also have the, problem of the size. If the remote is too small, looks better, but may not be, functional. Industrial Designer, what makes, game pads functional? The form for full hand. It's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy. Except for, longer design. 'Cause you, have to know which way, to point. Project Manager, it doesn't have a cord, like joysticks. Industrial Designer, batteries go weak, so, you have to point it towards, so, have to, show which is the front. Project Manager, is it possible to, work with a, sensor on either side? Industrial Designer, the more technology, the more it'll cost. It'll be evident after a while, which way, to point it, since you have, numbers and, buttons, but, an instinctual thing.", "title": "Keyboard-Style Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 56 ], [ 61, 62 ], [ 65, 69 ], 76, [ 83, 86 ], [ 104, 131 ], 141 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "grip", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed to make the remote in the shape of a sphere. User Interface said that it would be better if the remote fit easily in the hand, so Project Manager proposed that the ball have grips along the side to make it easier to hold, also flattening the bottom, so people could use the remote with one hand and hold their soda with the other.", "title": "Grips", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, [ 12, 13 ], [ 17, 20 ], 24, 39, 44, 47, [ 50, 54 ], 56, [ 61, 62 ], [ 65, 69 ], 71, 73, 76, [ 83, 86 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "grip", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface drew an idea for the remote to be shaped like a sphere that could be opened like a flip phone, and Marketing proposed to make the remote like a gaming keyboard, albeit big and bulky. User Interface said that it would be better if the remote fit easily in the hand. Project Manager proposed that it have a grip, because the ball would be difficult to hold and even if the keyboard idea worked better, people would look to use only one hand to be able to hold their soda with the other. Project Manager said the ball could have grips along the side to make it easier to hold and that would make the ball flat on the bottom unless the cover was flipped.", "title": "Grips", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, [ 12, 13 ], [ 17, 20 ], 24, 39, 44, 47, [ 50, 54 ], 56, [ 61, 62 ], [ 65, 69 ], 71, 73, 76, [ 83, 86 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "weak point", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed to make the remote control in the shape of a sphere to break away from the typical rectangular remote control. The face could open up like a flip phone, so it would have a strong hinge in the middle and a few buttons to keep it simple on the inside. Industrial Designer said it would have to be flat on at least one side because it could roll like a ball, plus they would have to take care of the hinges. Project Manager asked how to get rid of weak points. User Interface said that he didn't necessarily have to have a hinge. Industrial Designer said that the shape was not the best idea and that they would have to balance stability and design. Project Manager proposed adding grips to the side, so it could be held with one hand, as well as flattening that section. Industrial Designer suggested being careful with the size as well. Project Manager said that even when it looked good, it wasn't really functional.", "title": "Weak Points of the Sphere Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, 13, [ 7, 20 ], 24, 39, 44, 47, 62, [ 65, 69 ], 73, 76, [ 83, 86 ], [ 89, 92 ], 94, [ 99, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "weak point", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface drew a proposal for the remote control in the form of a sphere. It would be a kind of ball that could be flipped open, with strong hinges in the middle. It would have the buttons inside and lights around it. Industrial Designer said it would have to be flat on at least one side, so it wouldn't roll, plus the hinges would be a risk. User Interface said that it didn't necessarily have to be a hinge. Project Manager asked how to get rid of weak points. Industrial Designer said that the shape was not the best idea, so they would make a compromise between stability and design. User Interface said they wanted to break away from the typical rectangular remote control and Project Manager agreed, because it was not innovative to have long remotes, even if they were stable. User Interface said it would be better if the remote could be held easily in one hand, so the Project Manager proposed that it have grips on the side, plus that would cut out a part of the sphere. Industrial Designer asked if they really wanted to open a cover to use it, though he pointed out that if the user accidentally broke it, they would sell more remotes, so it wouldn't be too bad if it was a bit unstable. Project Manager said that even when it looked good, it wasn't really functional.", "title": "Weak Points of the Sphere Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], 8, 13, [ 7, 20 ], 24, 39, 44, 47, 62, [ 65, 69 ], 73, 76, [ 83, 86 ], [ 89, 92 ], 94, [ 99, 101 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : {gap} I'd {disfmarker} I could draw sorta the ball idea .", "Project Manager : you know , we'll draw up we'll draw up the ball and maybe th um where the buttons are located .", "User Interface : My original idea was just simply sort of a sphere , where maybe you {disfmarker} this is where it's connected together , and then when you open it out , it could fol it could be maybe flip , like a flip phone , and then when you fold it out the middle {disfmarker} Maybe a hinge that'll have to be the strongest part of it . If that {disfmarker} if we did use a hinge , or if it was just two parts ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and then you'd have just sorta you you you know , your buttons . Thing is inside I think , sometimes remotes have too many buttons , so maybe as simple as possible , um as few buttons inside as possible . Um , I dunno , what's the idea for . Just something {disfmarker} maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of like light or something or lights around it . It's looking a bit like something out of Star Wars at the moment though , to be fair .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But yeah .", "Marketing : Futuristic . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That was that was a sorta simple idea I had", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "User Interface : and then you know you could {gap} about {disfmarker} Right , it would almost be like a ball . So that was just just an idea I had . I don't know whether anybody else has other ideas ?", "Industrial Designer : Right . One problem you'd get with this design is um {disfmarker} the ball is a nice idea because of it's stability really ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but of course , since it's a ball , it'll roll , so we'd have to have it flat on one side at least , down here somewhere ,", "User Interface : Yeah . Maybe f yeah .", "Industrial Designer : take away that part . That's one of the big issues . Also also you risk the hinges here . That's that's um a problem .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's g that's a good idea . Yeah . The idea {disfmarker} it didn't have to necessarily be f a hinge ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's that's {vocalsound} interesting of course ,", "User Interface : that was just one idea though .", "Industrial Designer : but that's of course a weak point , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : How would we go about um making you know {disfmarker} getting rid of our weak points ? What {disfmarker} I mean would we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Not to put you on the spot ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} E No no ,", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : uh uh {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : What did you say your title was again ?", "Industrial Designer : N n", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You're the the Industrial Designer .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , I'm your Industrial Designer ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : so i b well ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : the point is that {vocalsound} well maybe {disfmarker} I dunno . The shape is perhaps not the most ideal .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : As as stable as it is , there must be a compromise between um stability and design here , so .", "User Interface : Well I I suppose that things become {gap} design . But I mean i", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I was trying to think of like the design of others . I can't think of anything other than a long rectangle for remote ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : maybe small , sort of fatter ones , but there's nothing being done sort of out of left field , yeah .", "Project Manager : It's not new , it's not innovative , it's {disfmarker} you know , everybody does long remote because it's easy ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : it's it's stable um .", "Marketing : 'Kay , I'll draw something . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So if {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : no , go ahead .", "Marketing : My idea was just to have it be kind of like a keyboard type shape , you know , like video games", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : l so . But maybe {disfmarker} I mean that would be kinda big and bulky . We could also try to do the hinge thing , so it could like flip out that way . I don't know . {vocalsound} That's my idea .", "User Interface : I think definitely doing something different", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : is a good idea .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : I mean maybe design something , that's sort of like {vocalsound} suppose not everybody's everybody's hand's the same , but something that would maybe fit in the hand easier .", "Project Manager : Something with a grip .", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , with a grip .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Because even {disfmarker} I suppose even with the ball", "User Interface : It still might be hard to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it still not the ho easiest thing to hold , yeah .", "Project Manager : it might not be the easiest to hold onto um .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : So perhaps the the joystick {disfmarker} the the keyboard idea might work better .", "User Interface : Like {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : But then again , people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda , so maybe maybe we {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} True .", "User Interface : It's d yeah . I think it's definitely got to be a a one-handed a one-handed job .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : I feel like I'm just shooting everything down here .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} That's fine .", "Project Manager : Uh {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : You're the boss , you're {vocalsound} allowed to .", "Industrial Designer : Well with the one-handed design you also have the the problem of the size w 'cause you know from cell phones , they can be too small . So if the remote is too small it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : if it's small it probably looks better , but may not be th as functional . So for that there's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , so", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : unfortunately we've got about five minutes here {vocalsound} to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it . Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um . Let's see here . What if we had what if we had not only um {disfmarker} say we went with the ball the ball function um , but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to . So you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Course that'll then remove some of our our ball . Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part . So the grip is {disfmarker} No , that wouldn't work either um . But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways . So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess , um and then {vocalsound} flat uh {disfmarker} And then we have the problem with the hinge . So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want .", "Industrial Designer : The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ?", "Project Manager : Mm , that's true .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway , so I don't know if a lid is a good idea . From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is , but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident , uh the more we sell . So it's {disfmarker} don't make it too stable {vocalsound} uh .", "Project Manager : So we don't have it flip open . We just have a ball {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then .", "Industrial Designer : To the other design .", "Project Manager : Okay , so then we forget the ball .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It looks cool . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Looks cool though .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It looks cool , but it's really not {disfmarker} it's not functional um .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh {vocalsound} functional .", "Project Manager : So we've got our sort of keyboard kind . What if we flipped it around here , so that it were um {disfmarker} Sorry , that doesn't look anything like what you {vocalsound} had there . Um so it's up and down , you hold it this way .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Course then it's it's like the rectangular {vocalsound} again , only with a couple of jutting out points . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Right . Right .", "Project Manager : But it's one-handed um .", "Industrial Designer : Question is what makes those game pads functional ? W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand . So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : right ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : makes it nice , so that's the essential part . Except for that I think we'll not {disfmarker} probably not get a get away from some longer design .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Right .", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : You know , all", "Project Manager : because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do .", "Industrial Designer : that dif batteries {disfmarker} right , and {disfmarker} Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m show which is the front , which is the back .", "Project Manager : Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? So that either way you're pointing it it would work .", "Industrial Designer : I suppose you could do that . O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so .", "Project Manager : More expensive and {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Course you can do that .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} 'Kay . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or {disfmarker} if you look at it , it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it , since you have the the numbers and the and the {vocalsound} the buttons and stuff ,", "Project Manager : True .", "Industrial Designer : but um it's rather about an instinctual thing ,", "User Interface : Put it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it . Otherwise the design of {disfmarker} or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work .", "User Interface : Even if you designed it {disfmarker} in some {disfmarker} in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points . So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead ,", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Sorry to interrupt , but we have a warning to finish .", "Project Manager : Are we out of time ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , well , just to finish up , should we s go with this plan , start making some {disfmarker} Are good ideas , what are not .", "Industrial Designer : Let's .", "User Interface : Does it say {disfmarker} what does it say for n", "Industrial Designer : Obviously {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting , I think .", "Project Manager : Uh . Must finish now , so .", "User Interface : T", "Project Manager : And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Alright .", "Marketing : Great .", "Project Manager : Okay . And Project Manager will design a better meeting for next {vocalsound} time around , be a little bit more prepared .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And uh alright , good meeting .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 4, "turns": [ 526, 685 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "difference , variance", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B shared that was not having good results by including the cepstrum coefficient. PhD B explained that the difference at the variance discriminated between voiced and unvoiced.", "title": "Explanation of the Use of Parameters to Discriminate Sounds", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "difference , variance", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B proceeded to explain they had the spectrum of the signal and then the output of the mel filter bank. PhD B continued by saying that at a high difference at the variance you might have detected noise, and if you had a small variance you might have detected speech. PhD B mentioned that the main idea was to be able to differentiate between voiced sound and unvoiced sound.", "title": "Explanation of the Use of Parameters to Discriminate Sounds", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feature , neural network", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B explained the steps taken trying the new feature. PhD B mentioned that in order to obtain more information on the new feature, PhD B had to change the window size. PhD B did two types of experiments to train the neural network. However, PhD B obtained more or less the same result, not statistically significant.", "title": "Experiments Done by PhD B", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feature , neural network", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B did two types of experiments to include the feature, the neural network had more or less the same results.", "title": "Experiments Done by PhD B", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "information , fft , filter bank", "speaker": "Professor C" }, "summary": "Professor C was struck by throwing away information when something could be useful, and seemed interested in the difference between filter bank and FFT.", "title": "Lines of Thought of Processing Data", "relevant_turns": [ 57 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "information , fft , filter bank", "speaker": "Professor C" }, "summary": "Professor C was struck by the thought of throwing away information when there might have been something useful. Professor C wanted to see the difference between the filter bank and FFT, and suggested taking the FFT power spectrum and feeding it into a neural network to see if there was something useful that was thrown away.", "title": "Lines of Thought of Processing Data", "relevant_turns": [ 57 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "neural network , filter bank , combination", "speaker": "Professor C , PhD D" }, "summary": "Professor C suggested using the FFT in combination, or alone, to find what was thrown away, and recommended using the filter bank in combination to let the neural network determine what was useful. PhD D mentioned the variability in the spectrum. Professor C remembered the FFT was slightly better than some auditory front-end.", "title": "Combination of Sets to Recover Filtered Information", "relevant_turns": [ [ 58, 85 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "neural network , filter bank , combination", "speaker": "Professor C , PhD D" }, "summary": "Professor C suggested using the FFT whether in combination or alone, to find what had been thrown away. Professor C suggested using the filter bank in combination, using KLT, adding probabilities, or just doing things differently to let the neural network determine what was useful. PhD D mentioned there was so much variability in the spectrum. Professor C remembered a conference in which the FFT was slightly better than some auditory front-end. Professor C mentioned that they had a statistical mechanism for quantifying the variability, and thus, discovering ways to combine things that were data-driven than were not. Finding the right combination would show what were they really getting out of the filters. Professor C mentioned that maybe the neural network and the HMMs could figure it out faster than the students.", "title": "Combination of Sets to Recover Filtered Information", "relevant_turns": [ [ 58, 85 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "icassp , hmm , speech", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor C" }, "summary": "PhD A mentioned that before using the VAD, they added the speech-silent bit to the cepstrum and trained the HMM on that. Adding that additional binary feature was helping them to discriminate between speech and nonspeech. However, for PhD A in the case of TI-digits did not show anything because there was nothing between to discriminate and because it was too short. PhD A noted a huge improvement with Italian. PhD A mentioned a paper in ICASSP about extracting higher information from the cepstral coefficients. However, PhD A forgot the name, to which Professor C asked if the name was talking cumulants. Professor C noted that it was the same the neural network was doing, and that the neural network in some sense was equivalent to computing.", "title": "Discussion about Extracting Information from Cepstral Coefficients", "relevant_turns": [ 92, [ 94, 106 ], [ 115, 126 ], [ 130, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "icassp , hmm , speech", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor C" }, "summary": "PhD A, before, using, VAD, Aurora, adding, additional speech-silence bit to the cepstrum and training the HMM on that; improving, on the SpeechDat-Car, but not, on the TI-digits; didn't actually give, anything, there wasn't, anything to discriminate between speech, and it was very short; but, huge improvement on Italian. PhD A, there was a paper in ICASSP, over, extracting, higher-order, information from the cepstral coefficients, forgot the name. Professor C, talking cumulants or something? PhD A, maybe higher-order cumulants. Professor C, could argue, that's exactly what the neural network does; equivalent to computing.", "title": "Discussion about Extracting Information from Cepstral Coefficients", "relevant_turns": [ 92, [ 94, 106 ], [ 115, 126 ], [ 130, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , acoustic events , primary detectors", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor C" }, "summary": "Grad C shared some ideas to find a project to work the following years of PhD project, by looking into speech recognition using acoustic events. The idea was to build primary detectors for the events and to use outputs to do speech recognition. Grad C shared the issues found to know what was the best way to get good coverage, or even how to get labels. Grad C thought of taking the outputs and feeding them into a Gaussian mixture HMM back-end to do recognition. Professor C thought the approach could be helpful.", "title": "Grad C PhD Project Ideas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 148, 155 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , acoustic events , primary detectors", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor C" }, "summary": "Grad C shared the ideas to find a project to define and work on in the following years of PhD. Grad C was looking into doing something about speech recognition using acoustic events. The idea was to build primary detectors for the events, for example voicing, nasality, R- coloring, and use outputs of those robust detectors to do speech recognition. Grad C was inspired by Larry Saul\u00b4s work on graphical models to detect acoustic events. Grad C shared the issues found, for example, what acoustic events provided a good enough coverage to do later recognition steps. Grad C thought of taking the outputs and feeding them into a Gaussian mixture HMM back-end to do recognition. Professor C mentioned that the voiced-unvoiced could tie right into what Carmen was looking at, and mentioned the multi-band approach was helpful.", "title": "Grad C PhD Project Ideas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 148, 155 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor C : Uh , But um , Good . OK . Anything else going on ? at you guys ' end ,", "PhD B : I don't have good result , with the {disfmarker} inc including the new parameters ,", "Professor C : or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD B : I don't have good result . Are {pause} similar or a little bit worse .", "PhD A : With what {disfmarker} what other new p new parameter ?", "Grad G : You 're talking about your voicing ?", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Professor C : So maybe {disfmarker} You probably need to back up a bit", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : seeing as how Sunil ,", "PhD B : I tried to include another new parameter to the traditional parameter ,", "Professor C : yeah .", "PhD B : the coe the cepstrum coefficient ,", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD B : that , like , the auto - correlation , the R - zero and R - one over R - zero", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : and another estimation of the var the variance of the difference for {disfmarker} of the spec si uh , spectrum of the signal and {disfmarker} and the spectrum of time after filt mel filter bank .", "PhD A : I 'm so sorry . I didn't get it .", "PhD B : Nuh . Well . Anyway . The {disfmarker} First you have the sp the spectrum of the signal ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : and you have the {disfmarker} on the other side you have the output of the mel filter bank .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : You can extend the coefficient of the mel filter bank and obtain an approximation of the spectrum of the signal .", "PhD A : Mmm . OK .", "PhD B : I do the difference {disfmarker}", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD B : I found a difference at the variance of this different", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD B : because , suppose we {disfmarker} we think that if the variance is high , maybe you have n uh , noise .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD B : And if the variance is small , maybe you have uh , speech .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD B : To {disfmarker} to To {disfmarker} The idea is to found another feature for discriminate between voice sound and unvoice sound .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD B : And we try to use this new feature {disfmarker} feature . And I did experiment {disfmarker} I need to change {disfmarker} to obtain this new feature I need to change the size {disfmarker} the window size {disfmarker} size . of the a of the {disfmarker} analysis window size , to have more information .", "PhD A : Yeah . Make it longer .", "PhD B : Uh , sixty - two point five milliseconds I think .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD B : And I do {disfmarker} I did two type of experiment to include this feature directly with the {disfmarker} with the other feature and to train a neural network to select it voice - unvoice - silence {disfmarker} silence", "PhD A : Unvoiced . Well .", "PhD B : and to {disfmarker} to concat this new feature . But the result are n with the neural network I have more or less the same result .", "PhD A : As using just the cepstrum ,", "PhD B : Result .", "PhD A : or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD B : Yeah . It 's neve e e sometime it 's worse , sometime it 's a little bit better , but not significantly .", "PhD A : Uh , is it with TI - digits , or with {disfmarker} ?", "PhD B : And {disfmarker} No , I work with eh , Italian and Spanish basically .", "PhD A : OK . OK .", "PhD B : And if I don't y use the neural network , and use directly the feature the results are worse .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD B : But Doesn't help .", "Professor C : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I really wonder though .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : I mean we 've had these discussions before , and {disfmarker} and one of the things that struck me was that {disfmarker} uh , about this line of thought that was particularly interesting to me was that we um {disfmarker} whenever you condense things , uh , in an irreversible way , um , you throw away some information . And , that 's mostly viewed on as a good thing , in the way we use it , because we wanna suppress things that will cause variability for uh particular , uh , phonetic units . Um , but , you 'll do throw something away . And so the question is , uh , can we figure out if there 's something we 've thrown away that we shouldn't have . And um . So , when they were looking at the difference between the filter bank and the FFT that was going into the filter bank , I was thinking \" oh , OK , so they 're picking on something they 're looking on it to figure out noise , or voice {disfmarker} voiced property whatever . \" So that {disfmarker} that 's interesting . Maybe that helps to drive the {disfmarker} the thought process of coming up with the features . But for me sort of the interesting thing was , \" well , but is there just something in that difference which is useful ? \" So another way of doing it , maybe , would be just to take the FFT uh , power spectrum , and feed it into a neural network ,", "PhD B : To know {disfmarker}", "Professor C : and then use it , you know , in combination , or alone , or {disfmarker} or whatever", "PhD F : Wi - with what targets ?", "PhD A : Voiced , unvoiced is like {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Uh , no .", "PhD A : Oh . Or anything .", "Professor C : No the {disfmarker} just the same {disfmarker} same way we 're using {disfmarker} I mean , the same way that we 're using the filter bank .", "PhD F : Phones .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "Professor C : Exact way {disfmarker} the same way we 're using the filter bank .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : I mean , the filter bank is good for all the reasons that we say it 's good . But it 's different . And , you know , maybe if it 's used in combination , it will get at something that we 're missing . And maybe , you know , using , orth you know , KLT , or uh , um , adding probabilities , I mean , all th all the different ways that we 've been playing with , that we would let the {disfmarker} essentially let the neural network determine what is it that 's useful , that we 're missing here .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah , but there is so much variability in the power spectrum .", "Professor C : Well , that 's probably why y i it would be unlikely to work as well by itself , but it might help in combination .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Mmm .", "Professor C : But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I have to tell you , I can't remember the conference , but , uh , I think it 's about ten years ago , I remember going to one of the speech conferences and {disfmarker} and uh , I saw within very short distance of one another a couple different posters that showed about the wonders of some auditory inspired front - end or something , and a couple posters away it was somebody who compared one to uh , just putting in the FFT and the FFT did slightly better . So I mean the {disfmarker} i i It 's true there 's lots of variability ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : but again we have these wonderful statistical mechanisms for quantifying that a that variability , and you know , doing something reasonable with it .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : So , um , uh , It - it 's same , you know , argument that 's gone both ways about uh , you know , we have these data driven filters , in LDA , and on the other hand , if it 's data driven it means it 's driven by things that have lots of variability , and that are necessarily {disfmarker} not necessarily gonna be the same in training and test , so , in some ways it 's good to have data driven things , and in some ways it 's bad to have data driven things . So ,", "PhD A : Yeah , d", "Professor C : part of what we 're discovering , is ways to combine things that are data driven than are not .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Uh , so anyway , it 's just a thought , that {disfmarker} that if we {disfmarker} if we had that {disfmarker} maybe it 's just a baseline uh , which would show us \" well , what are we really getting out of the filters \" , or maybe i i probably not by itself , but in combination , uh ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : you know , maybe there 's something to be gained from it , and let the {disfmarker} But , you know , y you 've only worked with us for a short time , maybe in a year or two you w you will actually come up with the right set of things to extract from this information . But , maybe the neural net and the H M Ms could figure it out quicker than you .", "PhD B : Maybe .", "Professor C : So .", "PhD B : Yeah ,", "Professor C : It 's just a thought .", "PhD B : I can {disfmarker} I will try to do that .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : What {disfmarker} one {disfmarker} one um p one thing is like what {disfmarker} before we started using this VAD in this Aurora , the {disfmarker} th what we did was like , I {disfmarker} I guess most of you know about this , adding this additional speech - silence bit to the cepstrum and training the HMM on that .", "Professor C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : That is just a binary feature and that seems to be {vocalsound} improving a lot on the SpeechDat - Car where there is a lot of noise but not much on the TI - digits . So , a adding an additional feature to distin to discriminate between speech and nonspeech was helping . That 's it .", "PhD D : Wait {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry ?", "PhD A : Yeah , we actually added an additional binary feature to the cepstrum , just the baseline .", "PhD D : Yeah ?", "PhD B : You did some experiment .", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah . Well , in {disfmarker} in the case of TI - digits it didn't actually give us anything , because there wasn't any f anything to discriminate between speech ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : and it was very short . But Italian was like very {disfmarker} it was a huge improvement on Italian .", "PhD D : Hmm . Well {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . But anyway the question is even more , is within speech , can we get some features ? Are we drop dropping information that can might be useful within speech ,", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD D : I mean . To {disfmarker} maybe to distinguish between voice sound and unvoiced sounds ?", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . Yeah , yeah . Yeah .", "Professor C : And it 's particularly more relevant now since we 're gonna be given the endpoints .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor C : So .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor C : Uh . So .", "PhD D : Mmm .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor C : Um .", "PhD A : There was a paper in ICASSP {disfmarker} this ICASSP {disfmarker} over the uh extracting some higher - order uh , information from the cepstral coefficients and I forgot the name . Some is some harmonics I don't know , I can {disfmarker} I can pull that paper out from ICASSP . It {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Talking cumulants or something ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Huh ? Uh , I don't know .", "Professor C : Cumulants or something .", "PhD A : I don't remember .", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} No .", "PhD A : It wa it was taking the , um {disfmarker} It was about finding the higher - order moments of {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah ,", "PhD A : And I 'm not sure about whether it is the higher - order moments , or {disfmarker}", "Professor C : cumulants , yeah .", "PhD A : maybe higher - order cumulants", "Professor C : Oh .", "PhD A : and {disfmarker} Yeah . It was {disfmarker} it was {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Or m e", "PhD A : Yeah . I mean , he was showing up uh some {disfmarker} something on noisy speech ,", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : some improvement on the noisy speech .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Some small vocabulary tasks .", "Professor C : Uh .", "PhD A : So it was on PLP derived cepstral coefficients .", "Professor C : Yeah , but again {disfmarker} You could argue that th that 's exactly what the neural network does .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor C : So n neural network uh , is in some sense equivalent to computing , you know , higher - order moments of what you {disfmarker}", "PhD A : trying to f to Moments , yeah . Yeah .", "Professor C : yeah . So . I mean , it doesn't do it very specifically ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : and pretty {disfmarker} you know . But .", "PhD A : Yep .", "Professor C : Uh , anything on your end you want to talk about ? Uh .", "Grad G : Um , nothing I wanna really talk about . I can {disfmarker} I can just uh , um , share a little bit {disfmarker} Sunil hasn't {disfmarker} hasn't heard about uh , what I 've been doing .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad G : Um , so , um , I told you I was {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} I was getting prepared to take this qualifier exam . So basically that 's just , um , trying to propose um , uh , your next your {disfmarker} your following years of {disfmarker} of your PHD work , trying {disfmarker} trying to find a project to {disfmarker} to define and {disfmarker} and to work on . So , I 've been , uh , looking into , um , doing something about r uh , speech recognition using acoustic events . So , um , the idea is you have all these {disfmarker} these different events , for example voicing , nasality , R - coloring , you know burst or noise , uh , frication , that kinda stuff , um , building robust um , primary detectors for these acoustic events , and using the outputs of these robust detectors to do speech recognition . Um , and , um , these {disfmarker} these primary detectors , um , will be , uh , inspired by , you know , multi - band techniques , um , doing things , um , similar to Larry Saul 's work on , uh , graphical models to {disfmarker} to detect these {disfmarker} these , uh , acoustic events . And , um , so I {disfmarker} I been {disfmarker} I been thinking about that and some of the issues that I 've been running into are , um , exactly what {disfmarker} what kind of acoustic events I need , what {disfmarker} um , what acoustic events will provide a {disfmarker} a good enough coverage to {disfmarker} in order to do the later recognition steps . And , also , um , once I decide a set of acoustic events , um , h how do I {disfmarker} how do I get labels ? Training data for {disfmarker} for these acoustic events . And , then later on down the line , I can start playing with the {disfmarker} the models themselves , the {disfmarker} the primary detectors . Um , so , um , I kinda see {disfmarker} like , after {disfmarker} after building the primary detectors I see um , myself taking the outputs and feeding them in , sorta tandem style into {disfmarker} into a um , Gaussian mixtures HMM back - end , um , and doing recognition . Um . So , that 's {disfmarker} that 's just generally what I 've been looking at .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad G : Um ,", "Professor C : By {disfmarker} by the way , uh , the voiced - unvoiced version of that for instance could tie right in to what Carmen was looking at .", "Grad G : Yeah .", "Professor C : So ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : you know , um , if you {disfmarker} if a multi - band approach was helpful as {disfmarker} as I think it is , it seems to be helpful for determining voiced - unvoiced ,", "Grad G : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : that one might be another thing .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad G : Yeah . Yeah . Um , were {disfmarker} were you gonna say something ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 165, 240 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation , customer , functional requirements , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said they did some research into functional requirements that people want, they asked which buttons were useful for them, and how a remote should look, a lot of them found that remote control was ugly, and a lot of more people would pay more for a fancier remote control. Also, they talked about remote controls that got lost very easily, and that it was frustrating, same when they bought a new remote control and started to learn how to use it. Project Manager said that young people preferred speech recognition, and Industrial Designer said that it seems that the technology would be quite advanced, and it could end up costing more than their budget for speech recognition, and then it suggested that with their mobile phone they could ring to the remote control so they could find it.", "title": "Marketing Presentation and Team Discussion About It", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 6, 11 ], 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "presentation , customer , functional requirements , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said they did some research into functional requirements that people want, they asked sort of which buttons were useful for them, and how a remote should look and feel, giving them questionnaires, three-quarter of them said the remote was ugly, and a higher proportion said that would spend more for a fancier remote. Also, young people were receptive to speech recognition, but not so much for people over forty-five age. They talked about remote controls that got lost very easily, and that was the number one frustration, the second one was when they bought a new remote control and started to learn how to use it. Project Manager said older people didn't want speech, and Industrial Designer said it seems that the technology would be quite advanced, and it could end up costing more than their budget for speech recognition, and then it suggested that with their mobile phone they could ring to the remote control so they could find it with a sensor.", "title": "Marketing Presentation and Team Discussion About It", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 6, 11 ], 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions , remote", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the most used buttons were the channel, volume, and power buttons, also said that the second biggest frustration of clients was to learn all the buttons and functions, and to find their way around it. Marketing said that their personal preference was to come with fewer buttons than most remote controls of the market, concentrate them on channel and sort of power and that they could come up with a menu, a sort of LCD menu for other functions on the remote control. Marketing said that they should focus more on the younger part of the market too.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Functions of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functions , remote", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the most used buttons were the channel, volume, and power buttons, also said that the biggest frustration of clients was when they lost their remote control somewhere else in the room, and they couldn't find it. The second biggest frustration was to learn all the buttons and functions and to find their way around it. Marketing said their personal preference was to come with fewer buttons than most remote controls of the market, concentrate them on channel and sort of power and that they could come up with a menu, a sort of LCD menu for other functions on the remote control, and that the young people would be the ones buying the remote if they aim to sort of a high-tech design, and that could be the market that they were looking for. They could think about speech recognition as well, to find the remote control if it was lost in a room, rather than using it to change the channel.", "title": "Marketing Talking About Functions of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , function , remote", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said, maybe the technology would be quite advanced and spent more than their budget for speech recognition, also said that possibly a thing about the remote being lost was using your mobile phone to find it.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , function , remote", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said what they maybe think that the technology would be quite advanced, maybe consisting more than their twelve fifty budget for speech recognition, also said that possibly a thing about the remote being lost was using your mobile phone to ring it, maybe with a sensor which could be kept somewhere.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "extra parameters", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager spoke about requisites from the email, like the design logo, and it was only for TV because if not that would be too complex, and the third thing was teletext, so these were sort of three extra parameters that have been put on this project.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Extra Parameters", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "extra parameters", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; we've got; three primary requisites; email; The design logo was one; remote was only for the television; too complex and we have to get it market quickly; third thing was that teletext; sort of three extra parameters; put on this; project.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Extra Parameters", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 62 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Right , we've done some research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control . And first off we should state that th the remote control's for controlling the T_V_ and um how do people use it ? We asked them sort of which buttons were useful for them . Um how d how does a remote control look and feel for them , and what improvements would would they like to remote control . And we did that by sort of giving them a questionnaire that we'd prepared and asking them to fill in the answers . And three quarters of them found that remote controls are ugly and that a sort of even higher proportion would spend more for a sort of s uh a fancier remote control And that of all the buttons on the remote control , the sort of setting buttons for sort of the picture picture and brightness and the audio settings , um they weren't used very often at all . People concentrated on the channel buttons and the volume buttons and the power buttons . Uh we also asked them about speech recognition uh for remote control . And young people were quite receptive to this , but as soon as we got sort of over about into a thirty five to forty age {disfmarker} forty five age group and older , people people weren't quite so keen on speech recognition . There's a lot more th there's a lot lot more older people who didn't know whether they wanted it or not as well . Um we also asked what frustrated people about remote controls and the number one frustration was that the remote was lost somewhere else in the room and that they couldn't find it . And the second second biggest frustration what that if they got a new remote control , it was difficult to learn um all the buttons and all the functions , and to find your way around it . {vocalsound} Okay , so {disfmarker} My personal preferences from the marketing is that we need to come up with some {vocalsound} sort of sleek sort of good looking high high-tech {disfmarker} A design which looks high-tech , basically . Um and that we should come up with fewer buttons than most of the controls on the market , and we should sort of concentrate on the channels and sort of power , and also volume and that sort of thing , as as Louisa said . Um we could maybe come up with a menu , a sort of a an L_C_D_ menu for other functions on the remote control . That's worth thinking about . Um and maybe we could think about speech recognition as well , because um sort of young people are perhaps the ones that are gonna buy buy our new product if we aim it at sort of you know sort of a high-tech design . That that might be the market that we're we're looking for . And we could maybe think about using speech recogniti recognition as a way to find the remote control if it's lost in a room , rather than sort of um having it to {vocalsound} speech recognition to change the channels . 'Cause there's a problem with that in that the television makes noise , so it could end up talking to itself and changing its channel .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay um , and that's the end of the slide show . That's it . Cool .", "Project Manager : What was that last wee bit there ?", "User Interface : Do {gap} a lot of um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um about speech recognition ?", "Project Manager : Speech recognition ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But that was only for young people that preferred it , older people didn't .", "Marketing : Youn young people pref Yeah , they s they said that they'd be interested in a remote control which offered that possibility and as you go up through the age groups , people got less and less interested in sort of a a remote control that you could talk to , so .", "Industrial Designer : No what I maybe think is um it seems the technology would be quite advanced for that and they might end up costing more than our twelve fifty budget for for the speech recognition . Um .", "Project Manager : Well that's right .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And possibly the thing about the about the remote being lost we could have {disfmarker} You know with your mobile phone , you lose that and you can ring it . Maybe we can have some kind of sensor which is kept somewhere where you can {disfmarker} {gap} some kind of buzzer system between the two . So you can press a button which is always kept in one place", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and then it maybe buzzes to somewhere else , wherever the remote actually is .", "Marketing : Uh-huh . Yeah . Yeah , we'd have t that would mean we'd have to put two products together as well ,", "Industrial Designer : That is true , yes .", "Marketing : which which again would probably be a bit expensive , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : There's key rings um that you kind of whistle at or clap at , I can't remember , and then they whistle back , or something like that .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Sounds reasonable .", "User Interface : That'd probably be really simple ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : they're cheap .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So I guess it'd be something we could like attach to the {disfmarker} or like the same technology could be put inside the inside the remote .", "Project Manager : Well if you're trying to avoid having a second product 'cause obviously you could have a second product that gave you the right pitch which would set the remote off to say here I am sort of thing , you know without sound recognition . But if you {disfmarker} I know . Um I was gonna say a sharp noise , you know a clapping of hand or whatever . {vocalsound} You'd want to try and av just have the one product that if {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah if we if we could have it in the actual remote like everything in one one device .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Um I dunno um talking about vo I mean obviously if you've got voice recognition then you can do it in that way because it'll recognise the voice and you can give it a command , a set command whatever that happened to be .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But you've then got the point if if you're not going with uh voice recognition then {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} you could have an option to turn it off . Or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Perhaps , um .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So that would solve the problems with the T_V_ kind of speaking to the remote and changing its own channels .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So uh {vocalsound} Any sugges Well , any conclusions ?", "Marketing : Um would it take quite a while to sort of develop the speech recognition software in the remote control ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well if it does then we can't .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Considering {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's that simple ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : because we've got uh th th three um primary um uh requisites from uh from and email uh that was sent to me whereby we had {disfmarker} The design logo was one , which we've already mentioned . We've got um the remote was only for the television and not for {disfmarker} because that would make it too complex and we have to get it market quickly .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And the uh third thing was that um teletext uh as far as uh the management is concerned , um is becoming dated uh due to the popularity of the internet . So that means that uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : so these are the sort of three um extra parameters that have been put on this uh project .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So we're being focused effectively directly at a television and it seems to me that the management is uh wanting us to go down a narrow path and not opening out .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : So anything that uh is to be added , such as voice recognition et cetera has to be very simple and has to be very quick", "Industrial Designer : Has to be simple enough to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : because time to market is is critical . S", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} I suppose if we could get something in which was quite quick and simple that would give us an advantage over the other remotes . Um .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : It would . But probably quick and simple is primary rather than added extras .", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Added extras would be nice , but the primary consideration is to get the project finished within uh this short time window , which effectively now is sort of four hours .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker} and if {disfmarker} and we've gotta get to the end . Uh d d I think I think first and foremost we've gotta get to the end and then get to the end with um added extras if possible .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 32, "turns": [ 520, 677 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different , things", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C confirmed that having tested different things, no significant difference showed in the combinations. However, the configuration with a global KLT proved to be marginally better.", "title": "Configuration Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "different , things", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C; in February, tested different things; two KLT; a KLT for network, a global KLT; differences between these configurations were not huge; marginally better with this configuration.", "title": "Configuration Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "neural net , timit , high mismatch", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "Phd D investigated the cause of the high mismatch in the results of the neural net training of the SpeechDat-Car before and after noise compensation. PhD D found that the high mismatch could be as a result of a change in the SNR of the training set being fed into the neural net after the noise compensation of the SpeechDat-Car.", "title": "Cause of High Mismatch", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 106 ], [ 115, 124 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "neural net , timit , high mismatch", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D observed the absence of any compensation or cleaned up of noise in the initial training sets of the neural net, suspecting that the high mismatch of the SpeechSat-Car after clean up maybe having more noise than the training set of TIMIT because the noise compensation altered the data being fed into the neural net.", "title": "Cause of High Mismatch", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 106 ], [ 115, 124 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "training , neural net", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B suggested using better training sets to train the neural nets by altering the configurations, using a larger number of features, using noise removal.", "title": "Improvement for Training Sets", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "training , neural net", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; experiment with better training sets; Before; found that was the best configuration, but you might have to retest those things; guess all of these seventy-three features go into the HMM; issue; supposed to be a standard; be fed to somebody's recognizer somewhere which might be a concern how many parameters are used; so they felt they wanted to set a limit. So they chose sixty. Some people wanted to use hundreds of parameters and that bothered some other people, and so they just chose that; it's kind of arbitrary too, but that's kind of what was chosen. Maybe with the noise removal, these things would be more correlated. So you have two sets of things uncorrelated, within themselves, but they're pretty correlated with one another; And they're being fed into these variants, only Gaussians and so forth; so maybe it would be a better idea now; have one KLT over everything, to decorrelate it.", "title": "Improvements for Training Sets", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "compensation , noises", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B confirmed that noise compensation had been used to reduce the noise in the SpeechDat-Car data but expressed doubts about the equality of the reduction on the test set and the training set.", "title": "Noise Reduction Equality", "relevant_turns": [ 106, [ 115, 122 ], [ 131, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "compensation , noises", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B confirmed that noise compensated data had been used to test the neural net but was not sure if the data would become more or less noisy after the noise compensation neither was Professor B sure if the noise compensation equally reduced the noise on the test set and the training set noting that was the reduction was equal there would not be a mismatch. Professor B suspected that imperfection of the noise compensation process probably caused it to treat some things differently.", "title": "Noise Reduction Equality", "relevant_turns": [ 106, [ 115, 122 ], [ 131, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits , training , conditions", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D confirmed the source of the noise from the TI-digits testing conditions. PhD D thought that clean training could be a possibility to lower the high mismatch of the TI-digits.", "title": "Possible Source of Noise in Training Set", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "digits , training , conditions", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D asked that could be seen from the TI-digits testing condition because the noises were from the TI-digits, right? So cleaning up the TI-digits was something to do if the performance went down in the TI-digits mismatch.", "title": "Possible Source of Noise in Training Set", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "conditions , different , training", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B observed that the different acoustic conditions provided enough variation and improved the quality of the work being done to improve the training set.", "title": "Different Acoustic Conditions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 153, 155 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "conditions , different , training", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; Macrophone data; recorded over many different telephones; lots of different kinds of acoustic conditions; not artificially added; improve the training set; having a nice variation in acoustic conditions; good thing.", "title": "Different Acoustic Conditions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 153, 155 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : So I wonder , um , Well , what 's your {disfmarker} what 's your thought about what to do next with it ?", "PhD C : Um , I don't know . I 'm surprised , because I expected the neural net to help more when there is more mismatch , as it was the case for the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : So , was the training set same as the p the February proposal ? OK .", "PhD C : Yeah , it 's the same training set , so it 's TIMIT with the TI - digits ' , uh , noises , uh , added .", "PhD D :", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : Um {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well , we might {disfmarker} uh , we might have to experiment with , uh better training sets . Again . But ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I {disfmarker} The other thing is , I mean , before you found that was the best configuration , but you might have to retest those things now that we have different {disfmarker} The rest of it is different , right ? So , um , uh , For instance , what 's the effect of just putting the neural net on without the o other {disfmarker} other path ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I mean , you know what the straight features do .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : That gives you this . You know what it does in combination .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : You don't necessarily know what {disfmarker}", "PhD A : What if you did the {disfmarker} Would it make sense to do the KLT on the full set of combined features ? Instead of just on the {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah . I g I guess . Um . The reason I did it this ways is that in February , it {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we tested different things like that , so , having two KLT , having just a KLT for a network , or having a global KLT .", "PhD A : Oh , I see .", "PhD C : And {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So you tried the global KLT before", "PhD C : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD A : and it didn't really {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah . And , uh , th Yeah .", "PhD A : I see .", "PhD C : The differences between these configurations were not huge , but {disfmarker} it was marginally better with this configuration .", "PhD A : Uh - huh . Uh - huh .", "Professor B : But , yeah , that 's obviously another thing to try ,", "PhD C : Um .", "Professor B : since things are {disfmarker} things are different .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And I guess if the {disfmarker} These are all {disfmarker} so all of these seventy - three features are going into , um , the , uh {disfmarker} the HMM .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : And is {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} i i are {disfmarker} are any deltas being computed of tha of them ?", "PhD C : Of the straight features , yeah .", "Professor B : n Not of the {disfmarker}", "PhD C : So . But n th the , um , tandem features are u used as they are .", "Professor B : Are not .", "PhD C : So , yeah , maybe we can add some context from these features also as {disfmarker} Dan did in {disfmarker} in his last work .", "Professor B : Could . i Yeah , but the other thing I was thinking was , um {disfmarker} Uh , now I lost track of what I was thinking . But .", "PhD A : What is the {disfmarker} You said there was a limit of sixty features or something ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : What 's the relation between that limit and the , um , forty - eight {disfmarker} uh , forty eight hundred bits per second ?", "Professor B : Oh , I know what I was gonna say .", "PhD C : Um , not {disfmarker} no relation .", "Professor B : No relation .", "PhD A : So I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't understand ,", "PhD C : The f the forty - eight hundred bits is for transmission of some features .", "PhD A : because i I mean , if you 're only using h", "PhD C : And generally , i it {disfmarker} s allows you to transmit like , fifteen , uh , cepstrum .", "Professor B : The issue was that , um , this is supposed to be a standard that 's then gonna be fed to somebody 's recognizer somewhere which might be , you know , it {disfmarker} it might be a concern how many parameters are use {disfmarker} u used and so forth . And so , uh , they felt they wanted to set a limit . So they chose sixty . Some people wanted to use hundreds of parameters and {disfmarker} and that bothered some other people .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : u And so they just chose that . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's kind of r arbitrary too . But {disfmarker} but that 's {disfmarker} that 's kind of what was chosen . I {disfmarker} I remembered what I was going to say . What I was going to say is that , um , maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe with the noise removal , uh , these things are now more correlated . So you have two sets of things that are kind of uncorrelated , uh , within themselves , but they 're pretty correlated with one another .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , um , they 're being fed into these , uh , variants , only Gaussians and so forth , and {disfmarker} and , uh ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : so maybe it would be a better idea now than it was before to , uh , have , uh , one KLT over everything , to de - correlate it .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Yeah , I see .", "Professor B : Maybe . You know .", "PhD D : What are the S N Rs in the training set , TIMIT ?", "PhD C : It 's , uh , ranging from zero to clean ? Yeah . From zero to clean .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah . So we found this {disfmarker} this , uh {disfmarker} this Macrophone data , and so forth , that we were using for these other experiments , to be pretty good .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So that 's {disfmarker} i after you explore these other alternatives , that might be another way to start looking , is {disfmarker} is just improving the training set .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I mean , we were getting , uh , lots better recognition using that , than {disfmarker} Of course , you do have the problem that , um , u i {comment} we are not able to increase the number of Gaussians , uh , or anything to , uh , uh , to match anything . So we 're only improving the training of our feature set , but that 's still probably something .", "PhD A : So you 're saying , add the Macrophone data to the training of the neural net ? The tandem net ?", "Professor B : Yeah , that 's the only place that we can train .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : We can't train the other stuff with anything other than the standard amount ,", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : so . Um , um {disfmarker}", "PhD A : What {disfmarker} what was it trained on again ? The one that you used ?", "PhD C : It 's TIMIT with noise .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : So , yeah , it 's rather a small {disfmarker}", "Professor B : How big is the net , by the way ?", "PhD C : Um , Uh , it 's , uh , five hundred hidden units . And {disfmarker}", "Professor B : And again , you did experiments back then where you made it bigger and it {disfmarker} and that was {disfmarker} that was sort of the threshold point . Much less than that , it was worse ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : and", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : much more than that , it wasn't much better . Hmm .", "PhD C : Yeah . @ @ ?", "PhD D : So is it {disfmarker} is it though the performance , big relation in the high ma high mismatch has something to do with the , uh , cleaning up that you {disfmarker} that is done on the TIMIT after adding noise ?", "PhD C :", "PhD D : So {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} i All the noises are from the TI - digits ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : right ? So you {disfmarker} i", "PhD C : Um {disfmarker} They {disfmarker} k uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Well , it it 's like the high mismatch of the SpeechDat - Car after cleaning up , maybe having more noise than the {disfmarker} the training set of TIMIT after clean {disfmarker} s after you do the noise clean - up .", "PhD C : Mmm .", "PhD D : I mean , earlier you never had any compensation , you just trained it straight away .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : So it had like all these different conditions of S N Rs , actually in their training set of neural net .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : But after cleaning up you have now a different set of S N Rs , right ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : For the training of the neural net .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : And {disfmarker} is it something to do with the mismatch that {disfmarker} that 's created after the cleaning up , like the high mismatch {disfmarker}", "PhD C : You mean the {disfmarker} the most noisy occurrences on SpeechDat - Car might be a lot more noisy than {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Of {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} I mean , the SNR after the noise compensation of the SpeechDat - Car .", "Professor B : Oh , so {disfmarker} Right . So the training {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the neural net is being trained with noise compensated stuff .", "PhD C : Maybe .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor B : Which makes sense ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : but , uh , you 're saying {disfmarker} Yeah , the noisier ones are still going to be , even after our noise compensation , are still gonna be pretty noisy .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah , so now the after - noise compensation the neural net is seeing a different set of S N Rs than that was originally there in the training set . Of TIMIT . Because in the TIMIT it was zero to some clean .", "Professor B : Right . Yes .", "PhD D : So the net saw all the SNR @ @ conditions .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : Now after cleaning up it 's a different set of SNR .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : And that SNR may not be , like , com covering the whole set of S N Rs that you 're getting in the SpeechDat - Car .", "Professor B : Right , but the SpeechDat - Car data that you 're seeing is also reduced in noise by the noise compensation .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , it is . But , I 'm saying , there could be some {disfmarker} some issues of {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Well , if the initial range of SNR is different , we {disfmarker} the problem was already there before . And {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Because {disfmarker} Mmm {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , I mean , it depends on whether you believe that the noise compensation is equally reducing the noise on the test set and the training set .", "PhD C : Hmm .", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : On the test set , yeah .", "Professor B : Right ? I mean , you 're saying there 's a mismatch in noise that wasn't there before ,", "PhD D : Hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : but if they were both the same before , then if they were both reduic reduced equally , then , there would not be a mismatch .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , I mean , this may be {disfmarker} Heaven forbid , this noise compensation process may be imperfect , but . Uh , so maybe it 's treating some things differently .", "PhD C : Yeah , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Well , I {disfmarker} I don't know . I {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} that could be seen from the TI - digits , uh , testing condition because , um , the noises are from the TI - digits , right ? Noise {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah . So {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So cleaning up the TI - digits and if the performance goes down in the TI - digits mismatch {disfmarker} high mismatch like this {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Clean training , yeah .", "PhD D : on a clean training , or zero DB testing .", "PhD C : Yeah , we 'll {disfmarker} so we 'll see . Uh .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Maybe .", "PhD D : Then it 's something to do .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I mean , one of the things about {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : I mean , the Macrophone data , um , I think , you know , it was recorded over many different telephones .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , um , so , there 's lots of different kinds of acoustic conditions . I mean , it 's not artificially added noise or anything . So it 's not the same . I don't think there 's anybody recording over a car from a car , but {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's varied enough that if {disfmarker} if doing this adjustments , uh , and playing around with it doesn't , uh , make it better , the most {disfmarker} uh , it seems like the most obvious thing to do is to improve the training set . Um {disfmarker} I mean , what we were {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} the condition {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it gave us an enormous amount of improvement in what we were doing with Meeting Recorder digits , even though there , again , these m Macrophone digits were very , very different from , uh , what we were going on here . I mean , we weren't talking over a telephone here . But it was just {disfmarker} I think just having a {disfmarker} a nice variation in acoustic conditions was just a good thing .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Yep .", "PhD D : Mmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 46, "turns": [ 274, 317 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "DVD players , remote controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing thought that since TV was mostly used together with VCR or DVD player and not with a stereo, so should be good to include functions for VCRs and DVD players and thought that hi-fi sets was not often combined with television. 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Mm-hmm . But uh , the D_V_D_ players and home cinema sets often double as stereo hi-fi sets probably .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's what , from my experience .", "User Interface : But isn't it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I don't know . Hi-fi set is uh not often used uh as I know of in combination with television .", "Project Manager : Okay . But we gonna {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It's only for television , I thought . Not {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yes .", "Project Manager : Oh , it is only for televis", "User Interface : {gap} I thought it was only for television . So so we probably don't have to have to uh have the functions for D_V_D_ player or V_C_R_ .", "Marketing : Yes , it is only for television , but uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So wha what {disfmarker} What wha {vocalsound} what uh what document {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well {disfmarker} well we we're gonna brainstorm about that . If we think it's useful , we do it .", "Project Manager : But , where where did it uh {disfmarker} Where did you find that ?", "User Interface : Uh , in the email .", "Project Manager : Oh , okay .", "User Interface : I thought it said uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That's right . It's a television remote control .", "User Interface : Yeah , television remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Yes , {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But I was thinking since it is useful with D_V_D_ {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but most television remote controls support other functions as well . So we can {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , that's uh something extras .", "Project Manager : No , we have to think about that .", "User Interface : True . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , uh but uh we've gonna put some a uh is is it so user-friendliness , is a is a pri priority in this case , or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : True .", "Marketing : Yep .", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , also no one's gonna buy it .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . True .", "Industrial Designer : Only the experts . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I guess .", "Project Manager : Well , this the maybe is uh some aspect of the {disfmarker} uh , or or some point at at which we can excel by making it very useful .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : That w Well , then you're you're the usability uh man , so this uh gonna be a very important task for you then .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh my God . Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 89, "turns": [ 0, 15 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Wales ' higher education system , capacity , Brexit , Impact", "speaker": "Dr. David Blaney" }, "summary": "Dr David Blaney said that the discussion about Brexit was a political issue and they had to be as careful as possible. As far as what Brexit meant for higher education, it was the contribution higher education could make to Wales. Then they discussed the sustainability of higher education providers. Universities made annually about \u00a35 billion of impact and 50,000 jobs and all of that economic impact was really significant in Wales and Brexit had an impact in terms of applications from EU students.", "title": "How Brexit Affected Wales' Higher Education System", "relevant_turns": [ 9 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Wales ' higher education system , capacity , Brexit , Impact", "speaker": "Dr. David Blaney" }, "summary": "Dr David Blaney said that they fund provision and not providers and they were interested in the sustainability of higher education providers, but the issue was what impact might Brexit had on the capacity of the system to continue to deliver for Wales adding that universities made annually about \u00a35 billion of impact and 50,000 jobs and so all that economic impact was very significant in Wales and they were beginning to see some impact in terms of applications from EU students as a result of Brexit and there was also beginning of some signs that there were increasing difficulties in the UK sector, and the Welsh sector as part of that, in playing in some of the EU collaborative research activities and that reflected the extent to which EU partners considered that British partners might be a stable partner as they went through this transition period. They didn't have data on that but there were signs that some of those relationships were beginning to become a little bit more difficult and in terms of the financial impact of that, it was clear that the UK was a net contributor to the EU.", "title": "How Brexit Affected Wales' Higher Education System", "relevant_turns": [ 9 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Welsh higher education sector , main pressures", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Bethan Owen said the funding position was the main pressure with the recommendations for re-establishing funding at Welsh institutions expected to take quite a bit longer and once that funding returns to institutions, it would be intended to re-establish funding for higher cost provision, both full time and part-time, reinstate funding for innovation, and maintain, at the very least, the research funding in real terms. The universities were also trying to minimize the cost reductions that they were making in order to maintain the infrastructure so that when the funding came they could get the best value out of it.", "title": "Current Challenges in Welsh Higher Education Sector", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Welsh higher education sector , main pressures", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Bethan Owen said the funding position was the main pressure with the recommendations for re-establishing funding at Welsh institutions expected to take quite a bit longer and once back it would be intended to re-establish funding for higher cost provision.", "title": "Current Challenges in Welsh Higher Education Sector", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eu students", "speaker": "John Griffiths AM , Bethan Owen" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM asked if Wales was forecast to do less well than England in terms of European Union students and enrolment. Bethan Owen said that they were not forecasting it while it was difficult to have intuitive data to show and that Institutions also recruited directly, and that until they saw the actual recruitment the arrangements that had changed from 2018 to 2019 also influenced the EU students and now they had to find full fee whereas previously they were getting the grant in the same way as Welsh students.", "title": "Impact of Arrangments Change on Students", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eu students", "speaker": "John Griffiths AM , Bethan Owen" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM asked if Wales was forecast to do less well than England in terms of European Union students and enrolment. Bethan Owen said that it was not be forecasting since it was very difficult until the enrolments were made.", "title": "Impact of Arrangments Change on Students", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 15 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Gareth Rogers : Good morning, and welcome to today's meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. Unfortunately, the Chair is unable to attend today, so in accordance with Standing Order 17.22 I call for nominations for a temporary Chair for the duration of today's meeting.", "Julie Morgan AM : I nominate John Griffiths.", "Gareth Rogers : Thank you.", "Darren Millar AM : I'll second that nomination.", "Gareth Rogers : As there's only one nomination, I declare that John Griffiths has been appointed as temporary Chair. Thank you, John.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. Thank you all very much, and item 1 on our agenda today is introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest. We've received apologies from Hefin David and Lynne Neagle. There are no substitutions. Are there any declarations of interest? No. We will move on then to item 2, and our inquiry into the impact of Brexit on higher and further education, and our first evidence session. I'm very pleased to welcome the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales here today, and Dr David Blaney as chief executive, and Bethan Owen, director of institutional engagement. Welcome to you both. Thanks for coming along to give evidence today. If it's okay with you, we'll move straight to questions, and Julie Morgan.", "Julie Morgan AM : Good morning. Bore da. I wondered if we could start off with you telling us what evidence you can see that the Brexit process has had any impact on Welsh higher education so far.", "Dr David Blaney : Can I preface the response by just reminding you that we are, by contract and by role, apolitical, and a lot of the judgments about the impact of Brexit essentially reflect where people sit politically in terms of whether they think it's a good thing or a bad thing? We're not going to go there, obviously, today, so we'll stick to the facts as we can see them, and hopefully we'll be able to help you, but there are areas where we are unable to help. That's part of the reason.", "John Griffiths AM : We certainly do not expect you to enter the political fray in any way.", "Dr David Blaney : Thank you. But even in terms of your assessment of whether this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing, a good impact or a bad impact, some of that inevitably in the end becomes a matter of your politics on it, so we will be as careful as we can be on that. In terms of the impact of Brexit on higher education, clearly, the significance here is about the contribution that higher education can make to Wales. So, we fund provision; we don't fund providers, technically, although obviously there's not much provision without providers. So, we are interested in the sustainability of higher education providers, but fundamentally the issue is: what does the HE system in Wales do for Wales, and what impact might Brexit have on the capacity of the system to continue to deliver for Wales? So, we know that universities make annually about \u00a35 billion of impact; 50,000 jobs. Of course, in Wales, all of that economic impact is really very significant, and uncertainty about the relationships and the arrangements with Europe is one of the most significant issues confronting university management at the moment. That has an impact in a number of ways. We can identify at the moment the extent to which the HE sector in Wales is exposed to sources of income that are located from the EU, so EU students, structural funds, and EU research funding, and so on, from the EU. We can identify some of that, but, actually, what happens in the future is much harder to be clear about. We are beginning to see some impact in terms of applications from EU students and I'll ask Bethan to share some details on that in a moment. We're also beginning to pick up, only anecdotally, some signs that there are increasing difficulties in the UK sector, and the Welsh sector as part of that, in playing in some of the EU collaborative research activities. And that, I think, just reflects the extent to which EU partners consider that British partners might be a stable partner as we go through this transition period. We don't have data on that\u2014that's anecdotal\u2014but there are signs that some of those relationships are beginning to become a little bit more difficult. In terms of the financial impact of that, clearly, if it is accepted that the UK is a net contributor to the EU then, presumably, some of the money\u2014we're almost immediately straight into politics if you're not careful\u2014but some of the money will be available back to the UK, and the extent to which Wales benefits or not from that returned money is a function of the political relationship between the Welsh Government and Her Majesty's Government. It's not necessarily the case that Wales will always lose out in that relationship, but that will become a matter of politics. There's a broader dimension, which is about the economic impact of Brexit on the UK economy and how much tax revenue there is and all of that. I think it's very hard for us to be definitive about how that's going to play out. I think that depends on the deal and how it all unfolds over the next several years. But we can certainly anticipate some turbulence and exactly how that plays for institutions remains to be seen.\u00a0We can touch later on on the extent to which they are sighted on\u00a0this and preparing for it. So, in terms of recruitment, Bethan.", "Bethan Owen : This is based on the UCAS\u00a0applications and the report that was published at the end of June, 30 June.\u00a0The European Union-domiciled applicants to Wales have decreased by 8\u00a0per cent, which contrasts with a 2\u00a0per cent increase for English institutions, and non-EU\u2014so international students, not from Europe\u2014have also decreased by 9\u00a0per cent to Welsh institutions, again contrasting with a 7\u00a0per cent increase in England. So, those are the signs of changes.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. Could I then just ask you what you see as the main pressures on the Welsh higher education sector at the moment?", "Bethan Owen : The funding position would be the main pressure. The recommendations made by Sir Ian Diamond in his review of higher education funding and student finance are in the process of being implemented, and the changes to the student finance arrangements will take effect from this September. However, the recommendations for re-establishing funding at Welsh institutions are expected to take quite a bit longer. That funding, when it returns to institutions, is intended to re-establish funding for higher cost provision, both full time and part time; reinstate funding for innovation; and maintain, at the very least, the research funding in real terms. Universities, in the meantime,\u00a0are trying to minimise the cost reductions that they're making in order to maintain the infrastructure, so that when the funding comes they can get the best value out of it. We have announced our funding allocations for 2018-19. For the research and teaching grant, though, we are still funding at a lower level\u2014\u00a312.5 million less\u2014then the starting point for the Diamond report, the 2015-16 starting report.\u00a0But we expect to be able to start introducing funding from 2019-20 to make a start on implementing Diamond. And it's probably important to note that the Diamond recommendations predated Brexit, therefore the challenges introduced by Brexit are in addition to those that the Diamond report was addressing. The other pressures relate to student recruitment. I mentioned the EU and international students. There is also the start of a reduction, both in Welsh-domiciled and English-domiciled applications to Wales. Enrolments are obviously the key important number, which we'll see later. And the other pressures include pay and pension costs, not least the issues around the universities superannuation scheme pension fund, where there's potentially a significant increase in cost. Increased student expectations for modern facilities and infrastructure bring a requirement for capital expenditure and borrowing, which bring their own pressures. And finally, the uncertainty about potential consequences that could arise from the review in England of fees and funding\u2014the Augar review.", "John Griffiths AM : In terms of European Union students and enrolment, is Wales forecast to do less well than England and, if so, why might that be?", "Bethan Owen : They are not forecasting it. It's very difficult until the enrolments are made, and it's also very hard to see\u2014the data that we see is the UCAS\u00a0data. Institutions also recruit directly, so until we see the actual recruitment\u2014. I think the arrangements that have changed from 2018-19 also impact on EU students. So, now, they have to find the full fee, whereas previously they were getting the grant in the same way as\u00a0Welsh students. So, I'm speculating that that might be having an impact as well on EU students' appetite to come.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. First of all Llyr, then Mark." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 63, "turns": [ 89, 137 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "User Interface 's idea , compact , multi-purpose remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that it had multi-purpose functions like the remote control they used for TV, Project Manager agreed and said that the gadget controlled the household machines, Project Manager said that the control should be different, not like most remotes, Marketing agreed.", "title": "Team Thoughts About User Interface's Idea", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 21 ], [ 30, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "User Interface 's idea , compact , multi-purpose remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface; it should have multi-purpose; Marketing; We certainly can try; I agree; Project Manager; It should be something new; it should do something different; than just what we have.", "title": "What the Team Think of User Interface's Idea", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 21 ], [ 30, 33 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design {vocalsound} to materials , cost , etcetera . Now , uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ?", "Marketing : Oops .", "Project Manager : I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em {disfmarker} we use 'em , right , everyday .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , of course , using remote control . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : And um now having used a remote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it , things you would like to change , things you would like to improve with this thing ye any first ideas ? Would you like it to be smaller , bigger ,", "Industrial Designer : Uh .", "Project Manager : have more have more buttons on it or maybe clearly {disfmarker} better marked buttons , you know , things like that ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yes , I I feel that all the remote should be very compact .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Small , right . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah , those which we get here nowadays it's very long .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And um and it should have multi-purpose . Like uh the remote control which we use for T_V_ , it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also , like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or for air-conditioners , or for heating system .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Audio player . Oh . Okay .", "Project Manager : So it should be a multi-functional uh gadget that would um control all your household uh uh machines basically .", "User Interface : Yes , exactly Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Divides us {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Exactly .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} At um twelve fifty Euros per {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well .", "Marketing : Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} We certainly can try to {disfmarker} I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things .", "Project Manager : It should be something new {disfmarker} it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have .", "Marketing : That's right .", "Project Manager : Now , of course , the other thing to think there is maybe the design .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , of course .", "User Interface : Yeah , design should be , yeah {disfmarker} it should be different . All the {disfmarker} almost all the remotes {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Like trendy no like f for earlier we saw maybe it should be something trendy you know . Maybe it should {disfmarker} different colours or materials or you know .", "User Interface : Yes , exactly .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , maybe ten {disfmarker} I do yeah , colours", "User Interface : Are different shapes .", "Industrial Designer : and al shapes also . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : Um so yeah shapes right , you know , like kidney shape feels better in your hand or something , you know .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah of course yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah okay , friendly shape , that would help .", "Project Manager : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 38, "turns": [ 6, 44 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "best result", "speaker": "PhD E" }, "summary": "PhD E said that when they applied the procedure on FFT with a Wiener filter, it was the best result and there wasn't noise after that and the second sheet was about the same idea but it was working on mel bands.", "title": "Achieving the Best Result", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "best result", "speaker": "PhD E" }, "summary": "PhD E said that the best result was when they applied the procedure on FFT bins with a Wiener filter and there was no noise addition after that adding that it was good because it was difficult when they had to add noise to find the right level. Also added that the second sheet used spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter and the results were similar.", "title": "Achieving the Best Result", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 27 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : This is the arm wrestling ?", "PhD C : Uh . Yeah , we formed a coalition actually .", "PhD E : Yeah . Almost .", "PhD C : We already made it into one .", "Professor B : Oh , good .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Excellent .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : That 's the best thing .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , tell me about it .", "PhD E : So it 's {disfmarker} well , it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , depending on if we put {disfmarker} if we square the transfer function or not .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD E : And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh {disfmarker} the SNR , with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : It 's very simple , smoothing things .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is {vocalsound} when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : And there is no noise addition after {disfmarker} after that .", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD E : So it 's good because {vocalsound} {vocalsound} it 's difficult when we have to add noise to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to find the right level .", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD A : Are you looking at one in {disfmarker} in particular of these two ?", "PhD E : Yeah . So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : Um , {vocalsound} the second sheet is abo uh , about the same . It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands , {vocalsound} and it 's a spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins . Mmm . Well , the results are similar .", "Professor B : Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {comment} it 's actually , uh , very similar .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I mean , {vocalsound} if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest {disfmarker} smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora {disfmarker}", "PhD E : It 's worse on {disfmarker}", "Professor B : I mean on the , uh , TI - TI - digits ,", "PhD E : on the multi - condition in TI - digits . Yeah .", "Professor B : uh , uh . Um .", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way . But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : So now we are , yeah , setting up the software .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon . Um , and we" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 3, 48 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "components concept , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer checked with manufactural department availability of components needed to create a remote. Energy sources were considered. Project Manager proposed using a regular battery. That remained a point of discussion because the source of power had not been decided. Materials had to be chosen too but that was not an issue from a technical point of view. The interface feature required a complicated chip to process the button. Choice of chips was crucial, especially regarding solar energy that would not work in a cluttered environment. Titanium case would be a nice touch while interface could have rubber buttons which led to using of the regular chip. Shape and remote's ergonomy were discussed.", "title": "Details in Remote's Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 13 ], [ 19, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "components concept , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Solar, hand dynamo and kinetic energy sources were considered. Regular battery was the most probable option. Materials for remote's case such as rubber, titanium, wood or latex were discussed. Interface could have simple or scroll buttons. Industrial Manager opted for titanium case defending it was modern and trendy.", "title": "Remote's Detailed Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 13 ], [ 19, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "kinetic energy , components concept , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought that kinetic energy collection was the better way to provide energy. The team agreed that the point of placing kinetic battery in the remote was its rechargeability. That was achieved by moving the arm with the remote in hand.", "title": "Team's Agreement about Kinetic Battery", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 11, [ 24, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "kinetic energy , components concept , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Basic battery or kinetic energy could be the better way to provide energy, and the kinetic battery could be recharged when the user moved the arm. Remote would accumulate energy. They didn't know if it was feasible due to the user's movement count.", "title": "How Kinetic Battery Works", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 11, [ 24, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "titanium case , components concept , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Titanium was one of the choices proposed for remote's casing among wood, rubber and latex. Industrial Designer stressed titanium made for modern and trendy design and any user would be happy with a nice looking remote. User Interface did show slides containing pictures of remote's cases asking to see if one could understand if they were made of titanium or not.", "title": "Titanium Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ 9, 13, 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "titanium case , components concept , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "case material we have also several choices, like wood, rubber, titanium or latex; titanium is a good choice because it's trendy and it's modern; user; will be very happy to have a nice remote; So the titanium case is the normal case; I'll show you some pictures that I have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not.", "title": "Titanium as a Material for Remote Case", "relevant_turns": [ 9, 13, 40 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh {disfmarker} I'm participant two .", "Project Manager : This {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Components design .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control . So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique {vocalsound} to to store the energy .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : We also um {vocalsound} we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control . Now {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting . But if we use battery {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote . So uh it's a point to discuss . Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex . {vocalsound} But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} from the technical uh point of view . Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips . So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work {vocalsound} in a cluttered uh {vocalsound} uh environment .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : So um so I think we can start with these two main things . For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are {disfmarker} mm will be uh very happy to have a {vocalsound} a a nice remote . For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons , simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip {vocalsound} that are uh well cheaper . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : And s so uh we can move to the next slide .", "User Interface : Sorry .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : What is this single curved {disfmarker} what does it mean ?", "Industrial Designer : Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote .", "User Interface : So it's it's not {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : You you will have the {disfmarker} well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yo l yeah . When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah . And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah the um that's the point . The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That that's what it means by kinetic .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah and by {disfmarker} well by just by moving the ar uh your arm the mm well the remote will uh accumulate energy .", "User Interface : Okay . Mm-hmm . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : But I d I don't know it's {disfmarker} if it is feasible because I don't know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote um all the necessary energy .", "User Interface : Mm . {vocalsound} Mm . Okay . Yeah . Yeah . We we might check with our R_ and D_ department to see if they have this product {vocalsound} ready for market . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} And {disfmarker} yeah and so can you go to the next slide please . So and uh that's uh that summarize well what I have said .", "User Interface : Mm mm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Wha", "Industrial Designer : So uh you're right we can uh see in our uh R_ and D_ uh {vocalsound} if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy .", "User Interface : Ah the department . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's it .", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker} So I um keep in touch with the R_ and D_ department .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I take care , it's all right .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So the titanium case is the normal case that {disfmarker} I'll show you some pictures that I have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} All right . Yeah .", "User Interface : 'Cause I am not very sure , plastic , titanium or whatever . There's another point I want to make , is that the uh {disfmarker} well you've seen them I le na my presentation that um I point out some {disfmarker} why buttons are not the mm not the only ways you can {vocalsound} use {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah , maybe n", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : We will , okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 1, 52 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked to talk about the user needs, technical effects, and functional design of their remote, so Marketing said that people who participated in the usability lab said they don't like the way the remotes look and feel, plus they only use a few of the available buttons. Marketing indicated the order of use of the buttons so that the design went according to them. Marketing mentioned that it seemed that the people who bought remote controls and were willing to pay for the screen and voice recognition were teenagers and young professionals, but it was an issue that needed to be discussed.", "title": "Market and Usability Study for Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 37, 39 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The Project Manager said that in the functional design meeting they would consider user needs, technical effects and the functional design of their remote control. Marketing said they tested 100 people in a usability lab, and they said they didn't like the way the remotes looked and felt, plus they only used a few of the available buttons. Marketing indicated that a study was made to prioritize the most used buttons, so that the new design was consistent with them, and the order of use of the buttons turned out to be: channel selection, teletext, volume and power on; the configuration buttons were used so little that they could all be concentrated at the same configuration button. Marketing mentioned that within the market, most people between the ages of 15 and 35 were willing to pay for screen and voice recognition, but only a small percentage of people over the age of 35 would, it seemed, people who buy remote controls were teenagers and young professionals, although it was an issue that should be discussed.", "title": "Market and Usability Study for Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 37, 39 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing indicated that a study was carried out to prioritize the most used buttons so that the new design is consistent with them, and it turns out that the order of use of the buttons is: channel selection, teletext, volume and power on. At the end are the settings, so they can all be concentrated in the same settings button.", "title": "The Most Used Buttons on a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 39 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing indicated that a study was carried out to rank the most used buttons so that the new design was consistent with them, and it turned out that the most important buttons were those that had to do with channel selection, since they were used about a hundred and sixty times per hour. Marketing indicated that the order of use of the buttons was: Channel selection, teletext, volume and power. At the end were the settings, since they were only used 0.8 to 0.5 times per hour, so they could all be concentrated at the same settings button.", "title": "The Most Used Buttons on a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 39 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : 'Kay so we'll try to zip through this , since we're short on time . Welcome everybody . Um hope your sessions went well . Um so this is our functional design meeting , we're going to consider um user needs , technical effects , and the working design of our remote control . Um I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings {vocalsound} {vocalsound} , and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there . Um I I'll get the ones up for next time , um they're not finished yet . Right . Um so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And I can start if you want . Mm .", "Project Manager : sure .", "Marketing : Is there an order ? No .", "Project Manager : Hm ?", "Marketing : We haven't decided on an order .", "Project Manager : No , any any order's fine . Yeah .", "Marketing : First . Okay . Um , how do I put this {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Just uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I'll just put the cable in .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah , sorry .", "Marketing : {gap} Is that it ? Can you see ? {vocalsound} Oh , here . Okay . So what happens it doesn't work ?", "Project Manager : It sh it takes a few seconds I think .", "Industrial Designer : You may need to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Who's that ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No .", "Industrial Designer : But sometimes you have to do it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Is it in the right thing ?", "Industrial Designer : it's like a three set setting cycle , so press it a couple times , hold down function and then press F_ eight .", "Marketing : Oh wait , um . Uh . You need to help me . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh , and then press function .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and F_ eight .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Could you just plug it back into hers because she had {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , wait .", "User Interface : oh .", "Marketing : That's {disfmarker} is that it ?", "Industrial Designer : Adjusting .", "Project Manager : Here we are . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : The cable might be a little loose or something . Oh , you got it .", "Marketing : Right here we are .", "Project Manager : Oh . Is it on ?", "Marketing : We're here .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , um . In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found , um a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out . Um , the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about . Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look , they don't like the way they feel , they don't think they match their operating behaviour , and an example is what we were talking about , the buttons , they only use ten per cent of the buttons , so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons . Easy to lose , and R_S_I_ . I don't know what R_S_I_ means . Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did , I don't have a clue .", "Project Manager : Hm .", "Marketing : Um , according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons , I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance . So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection . They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour . And um yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently , so this is the order . Channel selection , teletext , volume , and power . The other ones are the settings , and they're used less than {disfmarker} you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour , and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings , and then , just one , and then from there go on to the audio on the screen , either on the remote or on the television . Um , about the screen , and speech recognition , some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that . And if we look at the market , f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds , I don't really know how to describe this , um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product , while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent , so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing . Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is , but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um , most likely , but we should discuss this together . {vocalsound} And that's all I have to say about the matter , {vocalsound} um .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Shall I {disfmarker} what do I do ? Do I give this to someone else ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Just move right on .", "User Interface : Right . So get this . Okay so now I need to press F_ eight , what is it ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh function F_ eight .", "Marketing : Function F_ eight .", "User Interface : 'Kay . What's function ?", "Project Manager : It's the little blue {disfmarker} w it's the one {disfmarker} th", "User Interface : Oh function , I see it .", "Project Manager : yeah . Yeah should be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : There we go . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It should be {gap} yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 37, "turns": [ 0, 427 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "redesign , conceptual remote control , limited budget", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "After Project Manager said the costs would influence the design, the team started to plan how to redesign the conceptual remote control through several attempts like dropping features until reach the limited budget. They decided to go for single curve, and to drop the buttons one through nine, so people couldn't directly access a channel, but it would be possible to use the up and down arrows. Industrial Designer suggested dropping all the buttons, and just having one; also said the special colours that had been proposed were not necessary. Project Manager agreed on dropping the buttons, and User Interface said the only button needed was the menu arrow. Project Manager kept mentioning buttons that could be dropped, such as the Okay and the Back. User Interface proposed to drop the speech recognition, so Marketing stated there were more people who liked speech recognition than an LCD screen, but they decided to keep the LCD. User Interface also suggested having two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons, so they could drop all the push-buttons. Marketing said the remote would need to have five buttons, and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button. Another attempt to reach the right budget was changing the case material, User Interface proposed making it plastic, Project Manager suggested wood, and Marketing recommended plastic with special colour. All agreed. Industrial Designer mentioned they could go for the sample speaker, to use a regular chip. Marketing said the only option was a hand dynamo. Industrial Designer asked if there was a way to fit all the buttons in an integrated scroll push-button, but realized it would not save money. User Interface wondered the number of options the integrated button could have. Industrial Designer answered it could have endless functions, so they agreed on using th integrated button to do everything in the menu, which would save enough money. Project Manager said they could keep the power button, but suggested dropping the special colour. Marketing disagreed because that would make it less appealing. So User Interface proposed to do the special colour for the buttons. Marketing said it would be better to have a hand dynamo than dropping the colour. The team agreed on the hand dynamo, having two special colours, and keeping only one button. Project Manager said after the redesign they were within budget.", "title": "Redesigning the Remote Control to Reach the Budget", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, [ 16, 30 ], 33, 39, [ 44, 47 ], [ 52, 58 ], [ 63, 65 ], [ 69, 71 ], [ 74, 80 ], 121, [ 126, 155 ], [ 178, 180 ], [ 195, 197 ], [ 230, 244 ], [ 271, 279 ], [ 284, 316 ], [ 322, 325 ], [ 336, 374 ], [ 380, 389 ], 405, 410 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "redesign , conceptual remote control , limited budget", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager, costs, going to influence, redesign something. Industrial Designer, go for single curve. Project Manager, drop the buttons one through nine. Industrial Designer, don't, need special colour, just make one. User Interface, only need, the menu arrow. Project Manager, drop the Okay and the Back. User Interface, drop the speech recognition. User Interface, keep the LCD, if, two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons, drop all the push-buttons. Marketing, need five buttons, and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button. User Interface, make the case plastic. Project Manager, make it wood. Marketing, plastic with special colour. Industrial Designer, use a regular chip. Marketing, hand dynamo. Industrial Designer, integrated scroll push-button. User Interface, integrated button, how many, functions. Industrial Designer, endlessly. Marketing, should do everything in the menu. Project Manager, would save enough, drop the special colour. Marketing, less appealing, that's no option. User Interface, special colour for the buttons. Marketing, rather, hand dynamo than drop the colour. User Interface, two special colours, but, only, one button. Project Manager, within budget.", "title": "Redesigning the Remote Control to Reach the Budget", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, [ 16, 30 ], 33, 39, [ 44, 47 ], [ 52, 58 ], [ 63, 65 ], [ 69, 71 ], [ 74, 80 ], 121, [ 126, 155 ], [ 178, 180 ], [ 195, 197 ], [ 230, 244 ], [ 271, 279 ], [ 284, 316 ], [ 322, 325 ], [ 336, 374 ], [ 380, 389 ], 405, 410 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disagree , redesign , conceptual remote control , limited budget", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "When discussing the redesign of the conceptual remote control due to the limited budget, User Interface suggested removing speech recognition. However, Industrial Designer noted they have not even talked about the possibilities of speech recognition. User Interface disagreed and preferred to keep the LCD screen instead of the speech recognition.", "title": "User Interface's Disagreement with Industrial Designer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 126, 154 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disagree , redesign , conceptual remote control , limited budget", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface, drop, speech recognition. Industrial Designer, no; expensive, never considered, possibilities of speech recognition. User Interface, keep the LCD.", "title": "User Interface's Disagreement with Industrial Designer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 126, 154 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "suggest , redesign , conceptual remote control , limited budget", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "When discussing the redesign of the conceptual remote control due to the limited budget, User Interface suggested using one integrated scroll-wheel push button and dropping the rest of the buttons. The other suggestion was to drop speech recognition and keep the LCD screen. User Interface suggested using plastic for the case and using a special color for the buttons.", "title": "User Interface's Suggestions for the Remote's Redesign", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 109 ], 126, 154, [ 178, 180 ], [ 230, 243 ], 336 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "suggest , redesign , conceptual remote control , limited budget", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "When discussing the redesign of the conceptual remote control due to the limited budget, User Interface suggested using one integrated scroll-wheel push button, dropping speech recognition, keeping the LCD screen, using plastic for the case and using a special color for the buttons.", "title": "User Interface's Suggestions for the Remote's Redesign", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 109 ], 126, 154, [ 178, 180 ], [ 230, 243 ], 336 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "hand dynamo , energy , lcd screen", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested hand dynamo. Marketing suggested normal batteries. LCD screen would require lots of energy due to low energy-conserving chips.", "title": "Discussion on Hand Dynamo", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 27 ], [ 275, 278 ], [ 353, 375 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "hand dynamo , energy , lcd screen", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested switching the power source to hand dynamo. Marketing suggested normal batteries and noted that a hand dynamo would require a lot of energy to keep the LCD screen working. However, Project Manager mentioned the chip was not energy conserving, making Marketing change of mind and accepting to go for the hand dynamo.", "title": "Discussion on Hand Dynamo", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 27 ], [ 275, 278 ], [ 353, 375 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "screen , menu , people , display", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they were using the LCD screen for everything since they were dropping most of the buttons. Marketing mentioned people liked speech recognition more than LCD screen, but User Interface noted that if they dropped the display, they would lose the whole concept. Marketing agreed to keep the LCD screen, and asked if they needed an advanced chip. Industrial Designer said it was the advanced chip for the display or using the sample speaker. Marketing preferred to keep the LCD display. Industrial Designer said all the integrated button's functions would be done in the screen's menu.", "title": "Discussion on LCD Screen", "relevant_turns": [ [ 69, 73 ], [ 146, 155 ], [ 271, 276 ], [ 299, 307 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "screen , menu , design , display", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, drop all the buttons. Industrial Designer, use the LCD screen, use it for everything; overview of channels in the screen. Marketing, more people, like speech recognition than an LCD screen. User Interface, keep the LCD. Marketing, keep the screen; need advanced chip for an LCD display? Industrial Designer, sample speaker, use a regular chip. Marketing, rather keep the display. User Interface, integrated button, functions. Industrial Designer, endlessly. Marketing, do everything in the menu, on the screen.", "title": "Discussion on LCD Screen", "relevant_turns": [ [ 69, 73 ], [ 146, 155 ], [ 271, 276 ], [ 299, 307 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll-wheel , push-button", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested an integrated scroll-wheel push-button that would be used as a mouse. User Interface suggested two scroll-wheel push-button and dropping all the other buttons. Marketing described what could be done with the scroll-wheel. However, adding to the five basic buttons was one Euro more expensive and could not be implemented.", "title": "Discussion on Scroll-Wheel Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 102 ], 178, [ 189, 205 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll-wheel , push-button", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested an integrated scroll-wheel push-button that would be used as a mouse. User Interface suggested two scroll-wheel push-button and dropping all the other buttons. Marketing mentioned the five basic buttons, volume left and right, channel up and down, and the power button. Marketing suggested the scroll-wheel to activate the menu, then pushing it to choose an option, then clicking on it to select features, and scrolling to adjust them. However, Marketing realized that with the five buttons, adding a scroll-wheel would be one Euro more expensive and could not be implemented.", "title": "Discussion on Scroll-Wheel Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 102 ], 178, [ 189, 205 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , noise , percent", "speaker": "User Interface ; Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested dropping speech recognition. Industrial Designer said they had not explored speech recognition further that could take the function of the buttons dropped. Marketing noted it could be disturbed by noise, but that it was more popular than the LCD screen, both were hypers. However, because they had to choose one, Marketing suggested keeping the screen because they had a similar percentage. Eighty-one to ninety-one and sixty-six to seventy-six percent. Industrial Designer, after realizing they had not fully integrated speech recognition, said it could be dropped out. User Interface agreed.", "title": "Discussion on Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 122, 162 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "speech recognition , noise , percent", "speaker": "User Interface ; Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing, sample speaker?, speech recognition. User Interface, drop the speech recognition. Industrial Designer, expensive, never considered the possibilities of uh speech recognition. Marketing, disturbed by noise. Industrial Designer, speech recognition works. Marketing, more people who like speech recognition than an LCD screen. User Interface, lose, whole concept. Industrial Designer, haven't, integrated, the speech into the system. Industrial Designer, might, drop that. Marketing, yeah, drop the speech.", "title": "Discussion on Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 122, 162 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case , plastic , wood", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested using plastic for the case. Project Manager preferred wood over using plastic. Marketing mentioned it was not in their market, and that they could use hard plastic. Project Manager said that would be easier since plastic was free.", "title": "Discussion on Material for the Case", "relevant_turns": [ [ 230, 257 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "case , plastic , wood", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested plastic for the case. Project Manager suggested wood. Marketing suggested hard plastic. Everyone agreed.", "title": "Discussion on Material for the Case", "relevant_turns": [ [ 230, 257 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "special colour , wood colour", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested a wood colour for the case. Project Manager noted they needed to drop the special colour. User Interface suggested using a special colour for the buttons. Marketing agreed to use a special colour for the scroll-wheel making it look fancy.", "title": "Discussion on Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 241, 249 ], [ 336, 348 ], [ 396, 402 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "special colour , wood colour", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface, plastic with a special colour. User Interface, a wood colour. Marketing, have to use the special colour anyway. User Interface, the special colour for the buttons. Project Manager, yeah, only have one button. Marketing, what, meant by special colour? User Interface, something else than black or white. Project Manager, geey and rubber. User Interface, for the integrated button. Marketing, make it a special colour and then it look fancy.", "title": "Discussion on Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 241, 249 ], [ 336, 348 ], [ 396, 402 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , push-button , integrated", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager started saying they had fifteen buttons and needed to drop some. Industrial Designer suggested dropping the buttons from one to nine, saving four and a half euros. User Interface suggested an integrated button. However, Project Manager mentioned one integrated button was more expensive. User Interface suggested two scroll-wheel buttons and dropping the rest of the buttons. They decided to use one scroll-wheel push button and drop the rest of the buttons.", "title": "Discussion on Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 16, 52, [ 107, 115 ], 178, 284, 381 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , push-button , integrated", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager needed dropping fifteen buttons. Industrial Designer suggested removing 10 buttons. User Interface suggested using an integrated scroll-wheel push-button.", "title": "Discussion on Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 16, 52, [ 107, 115 ], 178, 284, 381 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Uh first of all I'll start with the costs ,", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : because that's going to influence our design .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh no .", "Marketing : Oh , {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : If you {disfmarker} Don't know if you al already had a look or not ?", "User Interface : No n I I already did it .", "Industrial Designer : Did you do your questionnaire already ?", "Marketing : No .", "User Interface : It's not much . It's just one question .", "Project Manager : Because we have a problem .", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : If you look closely , you can see .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It wants {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um I already took the liberty to make some suggestions . {gap} . {gap} . {vocalsound} At the moment we have fifteen buttons , one L_C_D_ screen , one advanced chip-on-print . We use a uh sensor , that's for the speech . Uh we use kinetic energy . And we wanted uh the buttons in a special colour . Okay . What's the first thing we should drop ? The special colour of the buttons ?", "User Interface : No that's that's for the trendy uh feel and look . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but everything is .", "Project Manager : Should we switch to a hand dynamo ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh that's the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things .", "Marketing : No .", "User Interface : Yeah , b but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah but young people like that .", "Project Manager : Batteries ?", "Marketing : So just do normal battery .", "Project Manager : Batteries .", "User Interface : I think the battery option .", "Industrial Designer : Just a normal battery then , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "Marketing : It has to be twelve and a half .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Or not ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh my goodness .", "Project Manager : You're going to redesign something .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh no .", "Project Manager : Okay , so we're at twenty five .", "Marketing : Uh , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved ?", "Industrial Designer : Well I guess i we'll have to go for single curve then . I mean we have to drop on everything .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But we can keep it single curved with uh top view still curved , but from the side it's it's flat ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : and the screen screen is just {disfmarker} Well you just have to hold it like this then . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : How about {disfmarker} Sorry .", "Project Manager : Uh another option I saw was to drop the buttons one through nine , so you can't directly access a channel , but instead use only the up and down arrows . That would skip nine buttons and four and a half Euros .", "Industrial Designer : That's what I was thinking .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Alright .", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : A a", "Marketing : Let's do it then . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh then we have left {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But we don't have any basic options any more .", "Marketing : {gap} we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh yeah . We do .", "Industrial Designer : And uh 'cause then they don't have to n They don't need special colour as well .", "Marketing : F_ eight .", "Project Manager : They don't need special colours . Fine . That's more like it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} You were saying something .", "Industrial Designer : That was exactly my point . Like let's drop all the buttons , and just make one", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} I mean we're gonna use the L_C_D_ screen anyway . So we'll just have to use it for everything .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And then you can make an overview of channels in the screen , and select a channel , click {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , some more menu options . Yeah . Okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But um {disfmarker} Now let's look .", "User Interface : Yeah we c could {disfmarker} We only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button uh thing . Everything you can do with with the menu . So {disfmarker} With the display .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah we need one integrated button for everything then .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : The joystick .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Kind of . I was {disfmarker} Because {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , scroll-wheel , push-button uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . If you if you go to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Integrated scroll-wheel push-button , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : If you go to our uh view , like you {disfmarker} if you are in the sound system there , uh and you wanna adjust the treble for instance ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : this is just uh an example ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : y y you wanna see a bar on which you can adjust it from zero to ten for example .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : But you want a sound preview of how it's gonna sound ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : right ? So you wanna click on it , activate it , whe and when you move it , hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So you'll you'll need a a kind of a joystick uh button .", "Marketing : Yeah or or the integrated scroll-wheel push-button .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So that's kind of on your mouse and then you can click it , adjust it , click again and then you're out of it .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly .", "Marketing : But you still {disfmarker} But you then still need to have {disfmarker} Well you can use the scroll-wheel as well for um maybe for the channels . But you still um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah it's r Yeah .", "Marketing : You still have to have some some button in the menu to go back .", "User Interface : So you do one inte You can do one integrated scroll-wheel push-button .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : And then just drop all the other buttons .", "Project Manager : Uh yeah .", "Marketing : Well not all .", "User Interface : But but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push-buttons .", "Marketing : Not s not sound I guess .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} No .", "Project Manager : Yeah . It's uh {disfmarker} One integrated button is five times the cost of a normal button .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So we have to to make it s uh more uh {disfmarker} It has to be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You could also drop j three more of these , without losing much functionality . You just drop the Okay and the Back .", "Marketing : Yeah . Wh wh what what what is the what is the uh sample sensor sample speaker ?", "Project Manager : Oh , that's for the speech .", "Marketing : Speech recognition .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Could drop the speech recognition . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : S s Drop speech recognition ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} No but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah that's possible . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : We we d", "Industrial Designer : Yeah it's it's expensive , but uh we never considered the possibilities of uh speech recognition . 'Cause it can take the function of a lot of uh uh buttons .", "Project Manager : Buttons .", "Marketing : Buttons .", "Project Manager : That's not very easy to use .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I", "Marketing : No , it can be disturbed by by noise and", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works .", "Marketing : stuff like that . Let let let me see what's more what's more popular . I guess the the screen was more popular than um than the speech recognition .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I have to look on that . Let me see . {vocalsound} Uh well no I was wrong .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : There are more people who like speech recognition than an L_C_D_ screen .", "Project Manager : Yep . Okay . Because if you d lose the L_C_D_ screen , we {vocalsound} need a lot of {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But if it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} But it it {disfmarker} it's a it's a both a hypers", "User Interface : We lose our whole concept .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Uh so {disfmarker} No we just {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We need a lot of extra buttons .", "Marketing : No , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We keep the L_C_D_ .", "Marketing : Well we Yeah we keep the screen . I mean it's it's about the same . Eight one to ninety one percent , uh sixty six to seventy six .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Industrial Designer : We uh we we haven't really integrated this {disfmarker} the speech into the system ,", "Project Manager : so we drop the speech .", "Industrial Designer : so we can might as well s drop that . {gap}", "Project Manager : And drop it yeah ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Let's drop the speech .", "Project Manager : Okay . S Fo Four less Euros . So we still have three and a half Euro to lose .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Sixteen Euros .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} We need to lose some buttons .", "Marketing : But y y", "Project Manager : Yeah if you lose the the Back , the Okay button {disfmarker} Uh v let's say we only have the four arrows , and the Menu button .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Then you're {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And then and then use um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh and the power button we have also .", "Marketing : The the {disfmarker} Okay . And the menu button does also does the okay function then .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : And then when you in the menu {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So that's one Euro .", "Marketing : S so so you activate the menu .", "User Interface : If we do uh two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons , we can drop all the the push-buttons .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah ? And {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : With with one uh integrated button we can uh do the whole menu thing . With the other , we can do the the channel , the volume , et cetera .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah . {gap} .", "Project Manager : That would save zero point two Euros compared to {disfmarker} No .", "User Interface : No it's three Euros . No ? Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . To This together is more expensive than {disfmarker} Oof , it's almost the same as t keeping this .", "User Interface : No it's it's n Yeah . Yeah yeah yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And we can drop these two .", "Marketing : Well okay .", "User Interface : It's the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : For example if you have f f four buttons , {vocalsound} channel up and down , uh volume left right {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Volume .", "Marketing : Okay , I've {disfmarker} I think we have to keep that .", "Project Manager : And the power button .", "Marketing : And then {disfmarker} and the power button . So that's five .", "Project Manager : That's the basic .", "Marketing : That's basic . That that's what you need anyway . And then for the menu , um you can have a button that activates menu . Or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll-wheel with a push-button . And then if the moment you use the scroll-wheel , the the the menu gets activated , and then you can scroll , choose an option , click on it , it goes into an feature . Click on it again , selects features , scroll , adjust it . Click again , it's okay . Then you only need one button to move back . Or or under each option , you set a {disfmarker} you set an a screen thing what says back , and you select that one , click again , and you go one step back . And in that menu , scroll , click , one step back .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So that then you need five buttons , and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button .", "Project Manager : Yep . Okay th that's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But we can't drop three buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Which {gap} {disfmarker} That's even {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But I see that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah that's one Euro more expensive .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that's not a good idea .", "Project Manager : That's not an option .", "Marketing : Because which buttons do we have now ? Those five which I mentioned , and then menu , and then {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Menu , power .", "Marketing : Yeah . F of the four things ?", "Project Manager : Four arrows ?", "Marketing : Yeah , th power .", "Project Manager : Power . Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , if you if you go to eight {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Which more ?", "Industrial Designer : I don't know how to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . So four arrows ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh power I believe ?", "Marketing : Power . Th Yeah that's five .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} We have a Back and a Okay button .", "Marketing : Yeah , okay that's seven ,", "Project Manager : And the Menu .", "Marketing : and one to activate the menu , yeah . So okay that's eight . Well we can't reduce that . We we keep the display .", "Project Manager : Yeah , and even if we drop three buttons from here , we still have to make some adjustments around here . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , well okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we need the chip for the for the L_C_ display .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The L_C_D_ ? Yeah .", "User Interface : Let's make the {disfmarker} Let's make the case plastic .", "Marketing : Yeah well we need the advanced {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Then I rather make it wood .", "Marketing : Instead of r", "Project Manager : Because then also it's good in the market with the forty five plus uh people .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . True .", "Marketing : Yeah but but that's not our market .", "User Interface : But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No that {disfmarker} maybe not . But maybe it's better than plastic anyway .", "Marketing : Ah no , hard plastic . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Plastic with a with a special colour .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh .", "User Interface : A woo wood uh wood uh wood colour .", "Marketing : Yeah , plastic with special colour .", "Project Manager : Yeah ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No but I I {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah okay uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} That's an option . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Because we have to use the special colour anyway . You forgot that .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yep . Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : So we do one one s", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So let's go for the plastic .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay . Plastic .", "Marketing : And since it's not kinetic , it doesn't have to flip around that much ?", "Project Manager : Uh that's easy because plastic is free . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : We still have problem of two Euros .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay . Uh if we dropped uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No the buttons , those are really needed .", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "User Interface : Yeah th th it's it's uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah we can't drop them .", "User Interface : An advanced chip-on-print . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} You still need that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Do we really need that advanced chip for an L_C_D_ display ?", "Industrial Designer : You {disfmarker} uh uh {disfmarker} Yeah . So the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker , and {disfmarker} Which can use a regular chip , wh which is six Euros in total .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} S", "Industrial Designer : That doesn't matter .", "Marketing : Oh . I rather keep I rather keep the display .", "Project Manager : No , I keep the re Yeah . Yeah . Because we already designed for it . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well yeah .", "Marketing : So the only option is an hand dynamo .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah and something else .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah but the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh no tha Oh that's one Euro , right .", "Industrial Designer : uh can't we f uh fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push-button ? 'Cause that will save us one and a half Euro already . And then if w", "Marketing : And then integrated s Yeah but that would make it not so easy to use .", "Project Manager : No y you would rec", "Marketing : I mean it's not that important , easy to use , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Then you have {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want , huh ?", "Project Manager : Then you still need two additional buttons I believe .", "Industrial Designer : And uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : For the volume .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah d at l Yeah . At least one for power .", "Project Manager : You can use those {disfmarker} Yeah .", "User Interface : But the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah and power . That's three buttons and this would cost {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh . Yeah it's just as expensive as what we have now .", "User Interface : But the integrated uh button ? How many func functions can it uh have ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Three . Up , down , Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah endlessly . I mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : You can go into you in you main menu ,", "Marketing : You you press it for like three seconds .", "Industrial Designer : you can choose uh flip channel , uh you can choose sound options , any options .", "Marketing : Then then then you should do everything in the menu . On the screen .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay . It would save enough {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Maybe we should . 'Cause we don't have money and w we want the screen .", "Project Manager : Yeah you can choose this , drop these , then we have a half Euro left .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So we can maybe still use power button .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , but we'd {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Alright .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I guess we have to .", "Marketing : It s it saves us four Euros and it costs us two and a half . So let's see , we we drop the price by one and a half .", "Project Manager : Yeah . You see ?", "Industrial Designer : We'll we'll be on {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But we still have thirteen left .", "Project Manager : Oh still {disfmarker} Yeah ? Oh then I miscalculated . Oh yeah .", "Marketing : Thirteen . So still half . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Shit . Drop the special colour . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : There goes the special co {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh no .", "Marketing : Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That would make it less appealing . So that's no option .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} 'Kay . What else ? Uncurved ?", "User Interface : No no , it has to be um curved .", "Marketing : We sure about the advanced chip we need for the display ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah it says right here .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} They made it very easy for us . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Well yeah . {vocalsound} {gap} yeah . We made it hard for ourselves with the display , but it's a cool feature .", "Project Manager : Ah , I don't think I can s uh persuade the management to say , this is better for the market so you sell more than {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay . Wh what we could do is um {disfmarker} drop the the special colour , and uh do the special colour for the buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Buttons . That's {disfmarker} Oh yeah since we only have one button .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah but I mean what is meant by special colour ?", "Project Manager : I just m I don't {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Just something else than than black or white I think .", "Project Manager : Uh yeah it's {disfmarker} I think it's grey , regular .", "Marketing : S yeah . Alright .", "Project Manager : Grey and rubber .", "Industrial Designer : But we definitely want the thing to be a special colour though .", "Project Manager : Of plastic .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Damn .", "Marketing : So I rather have an hand dynamo {vocalsound} than than drop the colour .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah and then {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah yeah yeah .", "Marketing : You can still play with it then I guess . I don't know .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working . So I guess that isn't an option .", "User Interface : The display {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well , you only have to power it up when you wanna use it .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : The {disfmarker} But if you have to power the for ten minutes , {vocalsound} then the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't know .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : No I don't think the current status of uh chips are pretty uh energy conserving , no .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah true .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Let's let's go for the hand dynamo then .", "Project Manager : Yeah hand dynamo ? Do you want an extra button ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Or or do we {disfmarker} Or do we do uncurved and flat ? Instead of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No no it has to be curved .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah it has to be curved and has to have that colour .", "User Interface : Yeah . Just put a special special colour of the buttons , or something .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : And a screen .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . That's the most import", "Project Manager : Yep ? Instead of an additional power button ?", "User Interface : Yeah or spe special form ?", "Marketing : Yeah . S what what is special f Oh yeah , special form .", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "Marketing : Maybe that's nicer .", "Project Manager : It's for scroll {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Without {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But we don't have any buttons .", "Industrial Designer : We only have {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So do {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . But it's it's for the integrated button , I think also . Or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : d Uh make it a special colour then .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah ma make it a special colour then .", "Project Manager : Yeah but it's just a scroll-wheel which you can push down . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . Make it a special colour and then it look fancy .", "Project Manager : Yeah ? So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : Woah we're within budget .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's a miracle . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Let's let's save it .", "User Interface : oh ma make it two special colours , but we only have one button .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Let's do it like this , I mean , because it does not lose our identity of the product as we {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah ? {vocalsound} Okay . Um , well {disfmarker} {gap} . 'Kay , this was old .", "Industrial Designer : Well we come back to the drawing board then , huh ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah all your designs are uh pretty much {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah back to work . Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Did I save it ?", "Industrial Designer : It's silly 'cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah but that but that's the fun part of it . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I I wanted to go , but I wasn't allowed . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah ? {gap} okay .", "Marketing : Alright .", "Project Manager : Uh I just forgot to save this . 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Um the minutes from the last time . Um we had a couple of um changes in our plans in that we couldn't use teletext , it wasn't gonna be a control for everything um and that we had to incorporate the image of the company into it somehow . Um we have decided on a {disfmarker} leaving out the voice recognition , we've decided on there being a flip design and um a different shape from what's normal . We were thinking a shell , but something along those lines , just a different shape from what's normal , um . 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User Interface also added that the double arc could perhaps be used as the enter button.", "title": "Different Buttons for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 24 ], 112 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : So . To go on from here . Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote . Before we leave this meeting , it would be best to say this is what we're going {disfmarker} this is the design we're gonna try and get , this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Do we go for maybe a remote contro uh sorry , we're gonna go for a remote control obviously , do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels , up and down , and then , what , another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the L_C_D_ .", "User Interface : Mm yeah . Yeah , I think that's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : We're just saying volume . Should volume be important in the joystick , do you think ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume ,", "User Interface : For volume .", "Project Manager : and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most .", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Um , power is used like once per hour ,", "Industrial Designer : I", "Marketing : channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : that's by far the biggest one , and then teletext , is still here , that's like fourteen ,", "Project Manager : Vol Volume selection okay , yep ,", "Marketing : and volume selection .", "Project Manager : the teletext we're gambling with , and we're gonna say it's dead , the way of the dodo {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No , yeah , okay okay . Yeah , um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So we {disfmarker} well , sorry , we could maybe even go as far as saying power button , small joystick , L_C_D_ , and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system , and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay ? So we're having very very few buttons involved ,", "User Interface : Actually how {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : but navigation around a menu for most things .", "User Interface : Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons , the {disfmarker} y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button . I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Or vice versa .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : And that's really irritating .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly , um , so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick , you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb .", "Project Manager : Okay . So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea . Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , think so .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Do you mind looking {gap} ?", "Marketing : Um , I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : The ability to locate it again .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the T_V_ , just so that it says find me , and {vocalsound} what , a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit , can maybe hide it in the base .", "Industrial Designer : Light bulb as well ,", "User Interface : Oh . So {vocalsound} so", "Industrial Designer : no ?", "Project Manager : Sorry ?", "User Interface : a small speaker you mean .", "Project Manager : Some speaker ,", "Marketing : Speaker {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : sorry , yeah .", "Marketing : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And a light bulb ? No . To flash . No .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Nah , you'd see it anyway , if you hear it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} E us we might be better with the sound possibly {disfmarker} we could maybe incorporate", "Marketing : W those little key-rings have both ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : th e the true fact , considering the cost of an L_E_D_ , we could just incorporate it anyway .", "Marketing : so {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : The L_E_D_s can be surprisingly bright now .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Blue ones particularly .", "Project Manager : Um . {vocalsound} So", "User Interface : Plus that's a nice wee design touch .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : by the sounds of it , with what we're suggesting so far , your design um the user interface is still quite open , you could go for quite an interesting design .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got you know a small L_C_D_ , joystick , e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes , something that can make it stand out slightly .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far , the feasibility of um small transmitter , um and such , maybe if an L_C_D_ screen requires too much power , or such . Ebenezer , um , Marketing Expert {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Well I can give you the frequency , what people what options people use most often , I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface , right .", "Project Manager : If ,", "Marketing : You want the stuff {gap} .", "Project Manager : yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken , where of a joystick to control the very basic functions , and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : but could be something we could maybe look into .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Sure . Sure .", "Project Manager : Okay . Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward ? Anything that they think has been missed out . Bit of a wide open question there of course .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible .", "Marketing : Sure . 'Kay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : So I should just look at um the speaker , {gap} the speaker and an L_E_D_ .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Speaker and L_E_D_ for locating , um ,", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Transmitter {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , and a transmitter .", "Project Manager : transmitter {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Actually one one wee thought about that . Um , if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television .", "Project Manager : {gap} getting the external power source , yep , that's quite true . Um , and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally , makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : so that's good .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} You know I think", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that , save us the bother , then that's you know vast amounts of sales . Quite quickly .", "Industrial Designer : P", "Project Manager : Oh , one thing that we've almost not talked about at all , my apologies for that , um , user interface , we also need to maybe get the slogan in here , um it's ,", "Industrial Designer : Fashion .", "Project Manager : I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God {disfmarker} Real reaction , and such . So um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The slogan is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh , sorry .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics , isn't it ?", "Project Manager : My apologies . No it could well be , I've probably missed that . Um , I think that's l almost the last minute thing", "Industrial Designer : 'S also look cool .", "Project Manager : we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that . But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company . Rather than real reaction .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Mm . Yeah . I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button .", "Project Manager : Sounds good .", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Project Manager : And I'd say that that's us for now . Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 34, "turns": [ 116, 136 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested remote control as medium size, Project Manager asked about colors and materials, User Interface thought it was black or grey and they should go for something different, then tweaked things so they had a variety of face-plates, so people had different things, like different colors.", "title": "Group Discussion About Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; medium range size; Project Manager; colours , materials; User Interface; most; remote controls; black or grey; we should; something different; face-plates; change; have kind of a variety; people; different things; different colours.", "title": "Group Discussion About Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 16 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : first thoughts on um the the industrial design side .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh I think it's it's {disfmarker} remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's {disfmarker} you depend on them so much , but you don't {disfmarker} i i it's {disfmarker} you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna {disfmarker} something's gonna get messed up eventually . They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's {gap} {disfmarker} God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Indeed .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : it just {disfmarker} it needs to be very effective , very {disfmarker} always dependable . Uh I don't think we should make it too small I {disfmarker} 'cause I think it needs to {gap} it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} so yes dependable , and have a {gap} good medium range size .", "Project Manager : Okay , and um colours , materials ? Kendra , anyone ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well , most {disfmarker} I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {gap} .", "User Interface : so maybe we should go with something different or be able to {disfmarker} I was just thinking of um {vocalsound} what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um {disfmarker} what are they called ? Like the face-plates", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : that you change so we could have maybe {disfmarker} I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that , where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "User Interface : so people can get different different things . Have it kind of look how they want to , different colours , things like that ,", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : probably just plastic because that's always the lightest .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay that's uh {disfmarker} Again I don't think that's ever been done before ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 32, "turns": [ 867, 1126 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "problem", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D said that the problem was finding a consistent threshold working across different databases. Professor B suggested using neural net.", "title": "Solving Threshold Problem", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "problem", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D said that the biggest problem was finding a consistent threshold that worked well across the different databases. It also failed on TI-digits and didn't work on the Finnish causing problem in balancing the deletions and insertions; Professor B suggested on trying using it in the neural net.", "title": "Solving the Threshold Problem", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech", "speaker": "PhD D , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD D said that the biggest classification of the neural net would be the speech and silence which would help in some unseen noise conditions. PhD A suggested using the neural net on the speech portions.", "title": "Introducing Speech on Neural Net", "relevant_turns": [ [ 78, 81 ], [ 109, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "speech", "speaker": "PhD D , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD D said the biggest neural net classification would be the speech and silence and by having additional feature saying that that was speech and that wass nonspeech. It certainly helped in some unseen noise conditions for the neural net and that the neural would be coming from a separate neural net or VAD. So it was an additional discriminating information. PhD A suggested on using only the neural net on the speech portions because it could be the same.", "title": "Introducing Speech on Neural Net", "relevant_turns": [ [ 78, 81 ], [ 109, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "vad", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD C said that it seemed that the VAD network didn't drop too many frames. Professor B added the only problem was not to wait for the VAD output before putting something into the other system.", "title": "Feeding Into the VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 145, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "vad", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD C said that it seemed that the VAD network didn't drop much frames since the deletion number was reasonable but it was after adding the tandem and the final MLP. Professor B added that the only problem was not waiting for the output of the VAD before putting something into the other system because it would shoot up the latency much.", "title": "Feeding Into the VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 145, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leaving , week", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B wouldn't be around next week and would be leaving on Wednesday and it would be few weeks before having a meeting of the same characters. PhD A added that it meant professor B wouldn't be at the next three of these meetings.", "title": "Unavailable for Several Weeks Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 226, 238 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leaving , week", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B said would be leaving next week Wednesday, so next week wouldn't attend meeting because Professor B would be in Finland. Sunil would be in Oregon and Stephane would be in Denmark and would be gone for two and a half weeks starting next Wednesday and so there would be definitely no meeting on September sixth and that it would be a few weeks before they had a meeting of the same cast of characters. PhD A said Professor B would't be present at the next three of these meetings.", "title": "Unavailable for Several Weeks Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 226, 238 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "back-end", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD A asked if the feature was available for the test data. PhD D answered that they were transferring the VAD to the back-end feature and were computed. PhD D said that the VAD information was also available at the back-end.", "title": "Transferring VAD to Back-End", "relevant_turns": [ 68, [ 78, 87 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "back-end", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD A; do you have that feature available for the test data; back-end feature; PhD D; all features; computed.", "title": "Transferring VAD to Back-End", "relevant_turns": [ 68, [ 78, 87 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "neural net", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B suggested they used the before and after clean feature in the neural net. PhD D said they had been thinking about putting it into the neural net also.", "title": "Applying Neural Net on Additional Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 37 ], [ 56, 61 ], 91 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "neural net", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B asked about using the before and after clean feature in the neural net. They wanted to put it into another neural net and could feed it into the neural net or maybe modify the probabilities of the neural net, tandem neural net based on the fact that there was a silence probability; PhD A said they have been thinking about putting it into the neural net also but was wondering because of the different noise conditions for the neural net, where to train it on those four noise conditions while feeding it with additional features.", "title": "Applying Neural Net on Additional Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 37 ], [ 56, 61 ], 91 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "output", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B suggested on modifying the output probabilities of the neural net, tandem neural net basing on silence probability. PhD A asked if multiplying the output of the net by other decision would mean whether the net made that distinction.", "title": "Modifying the Output Probabilities", "relevant_turns": [ [ 91, 97 ], [ 117, 148 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "output", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B said the other thing could be to modify the output probabilities of the neural net, tandem neural net based on the fact that you had a silence probability so as to have an independent estimator of what the silence probability and multiply the two things and renormalize by doing the nonlinearity part and deal with it, going backwards to what the nonlinearity would be. The only problem was they didn't want to wait for the output of the VAD before they could put something into the other system because it would shoot up the latency a lot; PhD A said in principle wouldn't it be better to feed it in and let the net do that. If they were going to multiply the output of the net by this other decision it showed they didn't care about whether the net made that distinction and what if the neutral net was only used on speech portions.", "title": "Modifying the Output Probabilities", "relevant_turns": [ [ 91, 97 ], [ 117, 148 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "high", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD A asked if more peaks could be seen on the high mismatch case of the output net, the distribution versus the other ones. Professor B said that it would be interesting to try to take the feature fed into the VAD and feed it it into the other one as well if what was going in the high mismatched condition.", "title": "High Mismatch of Output", "relevant_turns": [ [ 138, 140 ], [ 163, 169 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "high", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD A; if; high mismatch case had been more like the other two cases in terms of giving you just a better performance how would this number have changed; Professor B; alternative would be to take the feature that you're feeding into the VAD, and feeding it into the other.", "title": "High Mismatch of Output", "relevant_turns": [ [ 138, 140 ], [ 163, 169 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feature", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D was trying to make the threshold better by using some other features after the clean up with maybe using correlation, auto-correlation or other additional features so as to improve the VAD. Professor B asked if that before and after clean appeared to be a good feature and suggested maybe they tied using it in the neural net.", "title": "Applying Additional features on VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feature", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD D said they were using some other features from the clean up. Professor B asked what about using it in the neural net.", "title": "Applying Additional features on VAD", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 44 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD D : g And {pause} it gave me like , uh , one point {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} more than one percent relative improvement . So , from fifty - three point six it went to fifty f four point eight . So it 's , like , only slightly more than a percent improvement ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : just like {disfmarker} Which means that it 's {disfmarker} it 's doing a slightly better job than the previous VAD ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : uh , at a l lower delay .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Um , so , um {disfmarker}", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} i d I 'm sorry ,", "PhD D : so {disfmarker} u", "Professor B : does it still have the median {pause} filter stuff ?", "PhD D : It still has the median filter .", "Professor B : So it still has most of the delay ,", "PhD D : So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : it just doesn't {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah , so d with the delay , that 's gone is the input , which is the sixty millisecond . The forty plus {pause} twenty .", "Professor B : Well , w i", "PhD D : At the input of the neural net you have this , uh , f nine frames of context plus the delta .", "Professor B : Oh , plus the delta ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : right . OK .", "PhD D : Yeah . So that delay , plus the LDA .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Uh , so the delay is only the forty millisecond of the noise cleaning , plus the hundred millisecond smoothing at the output .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Um . So . Yeah . So the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} di the biggest {disfmarker} The problem f for me was to find a consistent threshold that works {pause} well across the different databases , because I t I try to make it work on tr SpeechDat - Car", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : and it fails on TI - digits , or if I try to make it work on that it 's just the Italian or something , it doesn't work on the Finnish .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : So , um . So there are {disfmarker} there was , like , some problem in balancing the deletions and insertions when I try different thresholds .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : So {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} I 'm still trying to make it better by using some other features from the {disfmarker} after the p clean up {disfmarker} maybe , some , uh , correlation {disfmarker} auto - correlation or some s additional features of {disfmarker} to mainly the improvement of the VAD . I 've been trying .", "Professor B : Now this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this , uh , \" before and after clean \" , it sounds like you think that 's a good feature . That {disfmarker} that , it {disfmarker} you th think that the , uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} i it appears to be a good feature , right ?", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : What about using it in the neural net ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah , eventually we could {disfmarker} could just", "PhD D : Yeah , so {disfmarker} Yeah , so that 's the {disfmarker} Yeah . So we 've been thinking about putting it into the neural net also .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Because they did {disfmarker} that itself {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Then you don't have to worry about the thresholds and {disfmarker}", "PhD D : There 's a threshold and {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : but just {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah . So that {disfmarker} that 's , uh {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . So if we {disfmarker} if we can live with the latency or cut the latencies elsewhere , then {disfmarker} then that would be a , uh , good thing .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : Um , anybody {disfmarker} has anybody {disfmarker} you guys or {disfmarker} or Naren , uh , somebody , tried the , uh , um , second th second stream thing ? Uh .", "PhD D : Oh , I just {disfmarker} I just h put the second stream in place and , uh ran one experiment , but just like {disfmarker} just to know that everything is fine .", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : So it was like , uh , forty - five cepstrum plus twenty - three mel {disfmarker} log mel .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : And {disfmarker} and , just , like , it gave me the baseline performance of the Aurora , which is like zero improvement .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD D : So I just tried it on Italian just to know that everything is {disfmarker} But I {disfmarker} I didn't export anything out of it because it was , like , a weird feature set .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : So .", "Professor B : Yeah . Well , what I think , you know , would be more what you 'd want to do is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is , uh , put it into another neural net . Right ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Professor B : And then {disfmarker} But , yeah , we 're {disfmarker} we 're not quite there yet . So we have to {vocalsound} figure out the neural nets , I guess .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : The uh , other thing I was wondering was , um , if the neural net , um , has any {disfmarker} because of the different noise con unseen noise conditions for the neural net , where , like , you train it on those four noise conditions , while you are feeding it with , like , a additional {disfmarker} some four plus some {disfmarker} f few more conditions which it hasn't seen , actually ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : from the {disfmarker} f f while testing .", "PhD C : Yeah , yeah . Right .", "PhD D : Um {disfmarker} instead of just h having c uh , those cleaned up t cepstrum , sh should we feed some additional information , like {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} We have the VAD flag . I mean , should we f feed the VAD flag , also , at the input so that it {disfmarker} it has some additional discriminating information at the input ?", "PhD C : Hmm - hmm ! Um {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Wh - uh , the {disfmarker} the VAD what ?", "PhD D : We have the VAD information also available at the back - end .", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : So if it is something the neural net is not able to discriminate the classes {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : I mean {disfmarker} Because most of it is sil I mean , we have dropped some silence f We have dropped so silence frames ?", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : No , we haven't dropped silence frames still .", "PhD C : Uh , still not . Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah . So {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Th", "PhD D : the b b biggest classification would be the speech and silence . So , by having an additional , uh , feature which says \" this is speech and this is nonspeech \" , I mean , it certainly helps in some unseen noise conditions for the neural net .", "PhD A : What {disfmarker} Do y do you have that feature available for the test data ?", "PhD D : Well , I mean , we have {disfmarker} we are transferring the VAD to the back - end {disfmarker} feature to the back - end . Because we are dropping it at the back - end after everything {disfmarker} all the features are computed .", "PhD A : Oh , oh , I see .", "PhD D : So {disfmarker}", "PhD A : I see .", "PhD D : so the neural {disfmarker} so that is coming from a separate neural net or some VAD .", "PhD A : OK . OK .", "PhD D : Which is {disfmarker} which is certainly giving a", "PhD A : So you 're saying , feed that , also , into {pause} the neural net .", "PhD D : to {disfmarker} Yeah . So it it 's an {disfmarker} additional discriminating information .", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah . Right .", "PhD D : So that {disfmarker}", "Professor B : You could feed it into the neural net . The other thing {comment} you could do is just , um , p modify the , uh , output probabilities of the {disfmarker} of the , uh , uh , um , neural net , tandem neural net , {comment} based on the fact that you have a silence probability .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Right ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So you have an independent estimator of what the silence probability is , and you could multiply the two things , and renormalize .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh , I mean , you 'd have to do the nonlinearity part and deal with that . Uh , I mean , go backwards from what the nonlinearity would , you know {disfmarker} would be .", "PhD D : Through {disfmarker} t to the soft max .", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah , so {disfmarker} maybe , yeah , when {disfmarker}", "PhD A : But in principle wouldn't it be better to feed it in ? And let the net do that ?", "Professor B : Well , u Not sure .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : I mean , let 's put it this way . I mean , y you {disfmarker} you have this complicated system with thousands and thousand parameters", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : and you can tell it , uh , \" Learn this thing . \" Or you can say , \" It 's silence ! Go away ! \" I mean , I mean , i Doesn't {disfmarker} ? I think {disfmarker} I think the second one sounds a lot more direct .", "PhD A : What {disfmarker} what if you {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh .", "PhD A : Right . So , what if you then , uh {disfmarker} since you know this , what if you only use the neural net on the speech portions ?", "Professor B : Well , uh ,", "PhD C : That 's what {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Well , I guess that 's the same . Uh , that 's similar .", "Professor B : Yeah , I mean , y you 'd have to actually run it continuously ,", "PhD A : But I mean {disfmarker} I mean , train the net only on {disfmarker}", "Professor B : but it 's {disfmarker} @ @ {disfmarker} Well , no , you want to train on {disfmarker} on the nonspeech also , because that 's part of what you 're learning in it , to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to generate , that it 's {disfmarker} it has to distinguish between .", "PhD D : Speech .", "PhD A : But I mean , if you 're gonna {disfmarker} if you 're going to multiply the output of the net by this other decision , uh , would {disfmarker} then you don't care about whether the net makes that distinction , right ?", "Professor B : Well , yeah . But this other thing isn't perfect .", "PhD A : Ah .", "Professor B : So that you bring in some information from the net itself .", "PhD A : Right , OK . That 's a good point .", "Professor B : Yeah . Now the only thing that {disfmarker} that bothers me about all this is that I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the fact {disfmarker} i i It 's sort of bothersome that you 're getting more deletions .", "PhD C : Yeah . But {disfmarker} So I might maybe look at , is it due to the fact that um , the probability of the silence at the output of the network , is , uh ,", "Professor B : Is too high .", "PhD C : too {disfmarker} too high or {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . So maybe {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}", "PhD C : If it 's the case , then multiplying it again by {disfmarker} i by something ?", "PhD D : It may not be {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah , it {disfmarker} it may be too {disfmarker} it 's too high in a sense , like , everything is more like a , um , flat probability .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Oh - eee - hhh .", "PhD D : So , like , it 's not really doing any distinction between speech and nonspeech {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Uh , yeah .", "PhD D : or , I mean , different {disfmarker} among classes .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Be interesting to look at the {disfmarker} Yeah , for the {disfmarker} I wonder if you could do this . But if you look at the , um , highly mism high mismat the output of the net on the high mismatch case and just look at , you know , the distribution versus the {disfmarker} the other ones , do you {disfmarker} do you see more peaks or something ?", "PhD C : Yeah . Yeah , like the entropy of the {disfmarker} the output ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , for instance .", "PhD C : or {disfmarker}", "Professor B : But I {disfmarker} bu", "PhD C : It {disfmarker} it seems that the VAD network doesn't {disfmarker} Well , it doesn't drop , uh , too many frames because the dele the number of deletion is reasonable . But it 's just when we add the tandem , the final MLP , and then {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . Now the only problem is you don't want to ta I guess wait for the output of the VAD before you can put something into the other system ,", "PhD C : u", "Professor B : cuz that 'll shoot up the latency a lot , right ? Am I missing something here ?", "PhD C : But {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : Yeah . Right .", "Professor B : Yeah . So that 's maybe a problem with what I was just saying . But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} I I guess {disfmarker}", "PhD A : But if you were gonna put it in as a feature it means you already have it by the time you get to the tandem net , right ?", "PhD D : Um , well . We {disfmarker} w we don't have it , actually ,", "Professor B : No .", "PhD D : because it 's {disfmarker} it has a high rate energy {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Ah .", "PhD D : the VAD has a {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : It 's kind of done in {disfmarker} I mean , some of the things are , not in parallel , but certainly , it would be in parallel with the {disfmarker} with a tandem net .", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : In time . So maybe , if that doesn't work , um {disfmarker} But it would be interesting to see if that was the problem , anyway . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and then I guess another alternative would be to take the feature that you 're feeding into the VAD , and feeding it into the other one as well .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And then maybe it would just learn {disfmarker} learn it better .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um {disfmarker} But that 's {disfmarker} Yeah , that 's an interesting thing to try to see , if what 's going on is that in the highly mismatched condition , it 's , um , causing deletions by having this silence probability up {disfmarker} up too high ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : at some point where the VAD is saying it 's actually speech .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Which is probably true .", "PhD C : So , m", "Professor B : Cuz {disfmarker} Well , the V A if the VAD said {disfmarker} since the VAD is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is right a lot , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Hmm . Anyway . Might be .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah . Well , we just started working with it . But these are {disfmarker} these are some good ideas I think .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Yeah , and the other thing {disfmarker} Well , there are other issues maybe for the tandem , like , uh , well , do we want to , w uh n Do we want to work on the targets ? Or , like , instead of using phonemes , using more context dependent units ?", "PhD A : For the tandem net you mean ?", "PhD C : Well , I 'm {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "PhD C : I 'm thinking , also , a w about Dan 's work where he {disfmarker} he trained {vocalsound} a network , not on phoneme targets but on the HMM state targets . And {disfmarker} it was giving s slightly better results .", "Professor B : Problem is , if you are going to run this on different m test sets , including large vocabulary ,", "PhD C : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : um ,", "PhD C : Uh {disfmarker}", "Professor B : I think {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Mmm . I was just thinking maybe about , like , generalized diphones , and {disfmarker} come up with a {disfmarker} a reasonable , not too large , set of context dependent units , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} Yeah . And then anyway we would have to reduce this with the KLT .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : So . But {disfmarker} I don't know .", "Professor B : Yeah . Well , maybe . But I d I d it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} i it 's all worth looking at ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : but it sounds to me like , uh , looking at the relationship between this and the {disfmarker} speech noise stuff is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is probably a key thing .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : That and the correlation between stuff .", "PhD A : So if , uh {disfmarker} if the , uh , high mismatch case had been more like the , uh , the other two cases {comment} in terms of giving you just a better performance , {comment} how would this number have changed ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Oh , it would be {disfmarker} Yeah . Around five percent better , I guess . If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} i", "PhD A : y Like sixty ?", "Professor B : Well , we don't know what 's it 's gonna be the TI - digits yet . He hasn't got the results back yet .", "PhD C : Yeah . If you extrapolate the SpeechDat - Car well - matched and medium - mismatch , it 's around , yeah , maybe five .", "PhD A : Uh - huh . Yeah . So this would be sixty - two ?", "Professor B : Sixty - two .", "PhD A : Which is {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Sixty - two , yeah .", "PhD D : Somewhere around sixty , must be . Right ? Yeah .", "PhD C : Well , it 's around five percent , because it 's {disfmarker} s Right ? If everything is five percent .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD A : All the other ones were five percent ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : I d I d I just have the SpeechDat - Car right now , so {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD C : It 's running {disfmarker} it shou we should have the results today during the afternoon ,", "PhD A : Hmm .", "PhD C : but {disfmarker} Well .", "Professor B : Hmm . Well {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} So I won't be here for {disfmarker}", "PhD A : When {disfmarker} When do you leave ?", "Professor B : Uh , I 'm leaving next Wednesday . May or may not be in in the morning . I leave in the afternoon . Um ,", "PhD A : But you 're {disfmarker}", "Professor B : so I {disfmarker}", "PhD A : are you {disfmarker} you 're not gonna be around this afternoon ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Oh .", "Professor B : Oh , well . I 'm talking about next week . I 'm leaving {disfmarker} leaving next Wednesday .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : This afternoon {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} Oh , right , for the Meeting meeting ? Yeah , that 's just cuz of something on campus .", "PhD A : Ah , OK , OK .", "Professor B : Yeah . But , um , yeah , so next week I won't , and the week after I won't , cuz I 'll be in Finland . And the week after that I won't . By that time you 'll be {disfmarker} {comment} Uh , you 'll both be gone {pause} from here . So there 'll be no {disfmarker} definitely no meeting on {disfmarker} on September sixth . Uh ,", "PhD A : What 's September sixth ?", "Professor B : and {disfmarker} Uh , that 's during Eurospeech .", "PhD A : Oh , oh , right . OK .", "Professor B : So , uh , Sunil will be in Oregon . Uh , Stephane and I will be in Denmark . Uh {disfmarker} Right ? So it 'll be a few weeks , really , before we have a meeting of the same cast of characters . Um , but , uh {disfmarker} I guess , just {disfmarker} I mean , you guys should probably meet . And maybe Barry {disfmarker} Barry will be around . And {disfmarker} and then uh , uh , we 'll start up again with Dave and {disfmarker} Dave and Barry and Stephane and us on the , uh , twentieth . No . Thirteenth ? About a month ?", "PhD A : So , uh , you 're gonna be gone for the next three weeks or something ?", "Professor B : I 'm gone for two and a half weeks starting {disfmarker} starting next Wed - late next Wednesday .", "PhD A : So that 's {disfmarker} you won't be at the next three of these meetings . Is that right ?", "Professor B : Uh , I won't {disfmarker} it 's probably four because of {disfmarker} is it three ? Let 's see , twenty - third , thirtieth , sixth . That 's right , next three . And the {disfmarker} the third one won't {disfmarker} probably won't be a meeting , cuz {disfmarker} cuz , uh , Su - Sunil , Stephane , and I will all not be here .", "PhD A : Oh , right . Right .", "Professor B : Um {disfmarker} Mmm . {comment} So it 's just , uh , the next two where there will be {disfmarker} there , you know , may as well be meetings ,", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : but I just won't be at them . And then starting up on the thirteenth , {nonvocalsound} uh , we 'll have meetings again but we 'll have to do without Sunil here somehow .", "PhD A : When do you go back ?", "Professor B : So .", "PhD D : Thirty - first , August .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . So . Cool .", "PhD A : When is the evaluation ? November , or something ?", "Professor B : Yeah , it was supposed to be November fifteenth . Has anybody heard anything different ?", "PhD C : I don't know . The meeting in {disfmarker} is the five and six of December . So {disfmarker}", "PhD D : p s It 's like {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's tentatively all full . Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Uh , that 's a proposed date , I guess .", "PhD C : Yeah , um {disfmarker} so the evaluation should be on a week before or {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yep . But , no , this is good progress . So . Uh {disfmarker} OK .", "PhD A : Should we do digits ?", "Professor B : Guess we 're done . Digits ? 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Yeah .", "Project Manager : And it's this one .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : Go for it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yep . Okay . So . S next uh slide . Okay . So I received an email um around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit , um which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : But it's just a speaker right ?", "User Interface : It's {disfmarker} no , what it is , it's it's very {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's not a microphone .", "User Interface : It has a has a microphone , has a speaker , it's got a little chip and it allows you t", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Actually I'm not reading microphone there , so that's why you can all have conversation , it {gap} just to speak to you .", "User Interface : Well , it's a sample sensor sample speaker . Sample sensor sample speaker . It means that it can recognize , it can do like a match on a on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : But uh there's no kind of um understanding of the phrase . So , I mean , you know ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : I guess you could build that in , you could you could link the the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on on the remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : But basically the thing is , we have this technology available", "Industrial Designer : In-house .", "User Interface : in-house . So , um", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : but the thing is obviously there's still gonna be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the c production of the components ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : so um it it {disfmarker} but it basically means we c we can kind of consider this from uh you know uh a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Whilst you know , some people might get annoyed if we uh if we just dump it , {gap} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I {disfmarker} there's something that I {disfmarker} unclear really understanding . Is this a technology that recognize keywords {disfmarker} speech keywords ?", "User Interface : It's it it's no , well , it's it'll recognize uh I guess keywords , but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase . You train it for a certain uh , for a certain phrase , you say {disfmarker} the the example they said that they have uh up and running with their prototype is um {disfmarker} well they've actually integrated into the into the the coffee machine that uh that we're producing is , you can say good morning to the coffee machine and it can recognize that phrase and it'll playback good morning , how would you like your coffee ?", "Project Manager : And it's just to , it's just to playback something ?", "User Interface : Yeah . So actually that was a bad example , 'cause it doesn't actually ask how do you want your coffee because it can't really understand the response , so .", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah . So this is not s really to do to to do control .", "User Interface : Only , like , only in the sense that it it can recognize a set a set target kind of word an", "Project Manager : Yeah . This is just more like a poi pois yeah .", "User Interface : It's designed it's designed as a fun kind of thing ,", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah .", "User Interface : but I guess you could use it as uh as a way to implement uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So it it's c uh it it", "Marketing : Yeah but you can u", "Project Manager : it is a uh uh easy uh a fancy thing that you you can bring to {disfmarker} we can bring to the remote control that will not have any uh", "User Interface : Completely pointless yeah .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} yeah comp {vocalsound} completely pointless {vocalsound} for the inter for {disfmarker} from the interaction point of v point of view {gap} .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah , unless you know , you like having conversation with your remote control .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah but the {disfmarker} can we use it for saying okay , channel fifty , channel twenty ?", "User Interface : Well yeah , that's the thing , if {disfmarker} you can but {vocalsound} you have to pro though I think it's a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination , you have to s tr train it to l to learn channel fifteen , that whole thing , not just the word channel and the word fifteen , it doesn't have that kind of logic in it .", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah . So this is so this is this is much more than tak taking this technology , bringing it to the remote control and using it .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah , that would be some development work .", "Project Manager : So this is out of discussion . So if if if it is something that you can {disfmarker} we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : M Mando .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Banana-mando .", "Project Manager : No this is mm banana-bando , yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Banana-man {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Banana-mando yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh then it could be cool yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah okay , let's go ahead .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : I uh I I I don't think it's worth it though , I think it doesn't really add much to the functional design and it's it's it's not mature enough to use as a speech recognition engine , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Um , yeah . So if we can just move on to the next slide , I've just done a quick mock-up of uh uh some of the features of our {vocalsound} potential funky-looking uh remote control {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It doesn't look like a banana at all .", "User Interface : Well , you see , I was I was unaware at this point of th of the fruit focus ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : um , so at the moment it's more of a box focus .", "Project Manager : But you you can fit i you're saying now you can fit it to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Looks like a tr look likes a a tro a tropical fruit .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , well , this is actu this could be a genetically engineered fruit that's designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But um , I've just indicated here , we could have actually two scroll wheels , 'cause I think the scroll wheel is a fairly um key part of , you know ,", "Industrial Designer : Stable thing , that's right . To have {gap} ,", "User Interface : I think everyone has has agreed that it's {disfmarker} that it could be quite a useful um thing , so .", "Industrial Designer : mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But I think it's important , you know , to have two scroll wheels because , you know , you want one for for the channel , but you also want one for for the volume ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : because it's it's {disfmarker} the volume i it's , you know it's very handy for it to have uh instant kind of uh feedback uh and response , so .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But um , I've also included this turbo button because I think , you know , every design should have a turbo button , and {disfmarker} well {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What's a turbo button ?", "User Interface : so this is you know , a unique problem with with televisions is that if you have this scro this scroll wheel for the television , the uh the tuner on the T_V_ is not gonna be able to to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll , so you know , the th the person might want to have a uh {disfmarker} Might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what's on them , in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then , you know , displays that station . Or they might want to scroll and and have a quick glimpse of it , even if it lags behind what they're doing {gap} .", "Marketing : It con it controls the speed ?", "User Interface : Yeah , so with this turbo button you can , say , skip over t channels if uh , you know , if I'm if I'm going {disfmarker} if I'm scrolling past them and you know , it's um , you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it's really going fast or whatever .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So yeah , that's um , those are the two important uh features I think we need on the remote ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : but I mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need , um . You know , i it could be , you know , if we if we wanna have like a very cheap kind of device , I mean , we could either consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very , if it's gonna be a banana , you know that's a pretty gimmicky kind of thing that doesn't have that much functionality , it's just you know a couple of scroll wheels and a button cause it's hard to get so many buttons on a banana", "Project Manager : It's enough .", "User Interface : and it's still very {disfmarker} it may even be for most {disfmarker} for some people more functional than their current remote , but if they have these scroll wheels , so , um {vocalsound} you know , what other buttons do we want ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : I mean we could have {disfmarker} well , I guess you need an on and off switch ,", "Project Manager : Switch on . Yeah .", "User Interface : but you could you could o you could turn it turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe , you know , it's kind of like a spy kind of flick thing .", "Marketing : Yeah . So sounds crazy . I like crazy ideas .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} That's why you're a marketing guru . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , of course . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So i it looks like we're going completely to forget about the L_C_D_ thing .", "User Interface : Well , that's the thing , as {disfmarker} have we decided that we can only spend , uh , twenty five Euro ?", "Project Manager : I think that {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well not spend , but you know , charge twenty five Euro .", "Marketing : I I think we could use somehow the s coffee machine dialogue interface or so .", "Project Manager : No we can we can't use that .", "Marketing : You {disfmarker} we can ? We can't .", "Project Manager : We can't use that to to comman co communicate ,", "Industrial Designer : Communicate .", "Project Manager : it's just a thing {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , but we can say channel twenty five .", "Industrial Designer : It's one way .", "Project Manager : No .", "Marketing : No ?", "User Interface : But then you have to have a template for every channel , for a hundred channels , you have to be able to to recognize {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : It's not a lot one hundred templates ,", "User Interface : Mm . Well , I f I think it's probably more than , than our {gap} can handle because it's designed for a coffee machine , you know , to say hello in the morning .", "Marketing : it's not {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Ah , it's designed for a cof {vocalsound} okay . Is it design for a coffee machine ?", "User Interface : Well that's its current application , I would presume that it's kind of , they wouldn't design it to handle a hundred things th so .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . Maybe you could ask your {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} you could ask the engineering department if we can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . A good good good thing .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : You want to g to move to your slides ?", "User Interface : But uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's right , yeah .", "Project Manager : You're finished ?", "User Interface : Well I just I just made the point , I don't I don't know if that speech recognition is , you know , even if we can do it , I think it's not really appropriate for uh television environment .", "Project Manager : Yeah I think so .", "User Interface : But um I did have one thing from a previous meeting , you were talking about um being able to find the remote control", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : and I was talking about extendin being able to extend the remote control by having you know , a base station that can control other things as well .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : It might be useful to have some kind of base station , even if it's just you press on a button on it and uh and the remote control starts beeping , you know , this is a way of finding the remote .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Y in that case maybe the maybe the speech recognition {disfmarker} the speech thing could be useful just to say I'm here", "Project Manager : Exactly yeah .", "User Interface : but uh it's probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a a beeping {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So it's a speech synthesis kind of thing ,", "User Interface : It's speech {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : something has been uh stored and it's just uh spoken out .", "User Interface : It's it's speech synthesis and s it's speech kind of , not really speech recognition , but kind of pattern matching , yeah", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh , good idea .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . That's right .", "Project Manager : Very good .", "User Interface : yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 69, "turns": [ 347, 679 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "files", "speaker": "PhD G , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D said that Grad D had scripts that would extract naming convetions from ''key\" files. PhD G said all the waveform sound files should not be backed up. Grad C added that it was unclear if the files were to be shortened or downsampled or kept in their original form.", "title": "How to Treat Sound Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 121, 129 ], [ 206, 223 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "files", "speaker": "PhD G , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D had scripts that would extract information from ''key\" files. PhD G said all the waveform sound files shouldn't be backed up.", "title": "Discussion on Backing up Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 121, 129 ], [ 206, 223 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time", "speaker": "PhD G , Grad D" }, "summary": "PhD G said it was a lot quicker using the naming convention than actually trying to access the wave file each time, and find the time boundaries. Grad D explained a scenario of how one would go about running a program for all the native speakers only.", "title": "Using Different Techniques aside from Time Marks", "relevant_turns": [ [ 267, 282 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "time", "speaker": "PhD G , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D said the whole point about the naming conventions was that you could chop out segments from a large audio file or you could run all the English speakers, all the native speakers, all the non-native speakers, all the men, and even all the women. PhD G agreed and said it was a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wave file each time, and find the time boundaries. Grad D explained that to run all the native speakers, the program generated would extract the language, and find the time marks.", "title": "Using the Naming Conventions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 267, 282 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "naming", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D reported having some naming conventions that the team should agree on but should be done off-line and not during the meeting. Grad D also reported having scripts to extract information from ''key \" files and do all the naming automatically. Grad D added that the whole point of the naming conventions was that you could chop out segments from a large audio file.", "title": "Using Naming Conventions on Audio Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 121, 163 ], [ 267, 268 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "naming", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D reported having some naming conventions that the team should agree on. Grad D also reported having scripts to extract information from ''key \" files and do all the naming automatically.", "title": "Report on Naming Conventions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 121, 163 ], [ 267, 268 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "waves", "speaker": "PhD G , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD G told the team that they were also looking at information in Waves for the alignments and so forth, you couldn't load an hour of speech into X Waves. PhD G added that one needed small files because loading a really long waveform into X Waves would take a lot of time. PhD B said you could give Waves a start, middle, and end time. Grad D said the transcribers didn't have any problem with the Transcriber tool and so managed to load the long files into X Waves. Grad D said they used X Waves to do the digits and it seemed that the transcribers were loading the full mixed files then.", "title": "Discussion on Loading Speech into X Waves", "relevant_turns": [ [ 294, 324 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "waves", "speaker": "PhD G , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD G, Waves like for the alignments, load an hour of speech into X Waves. PhD B, give Waves a start and an end time, and middle. PhD G, try to load, really long waveform into X Waves, waiting. PhD B, not suggesting, a long wave file, just, a start and an end time, pull out that section. PhD G, very long.", "title": "Discussion on Loading Speech into X Waves", "relevant_turns": [ [ 294, 324 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "long", "speaker": "PhD G , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD G added that one needed small files because loading a really long waveform into X Waves would take a lot of time. PhD B said you could give Waves a start, middle, and end time. Grad D said the transcribers didn't have any problem with the Transcriber tool and so managed to load the long files into X Waves.", "title": "Time Taken to Load Long Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 299, 328 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "long", "speaker": "PhD G , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD G, long waveform into X Waves, takes, very long; slower to load in a long file. PhD B, not, load a long wave file.", "title": "Time Taken to Load Long Files", "relevant_turns": [ [ 299, 328 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speaker", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said that they believed doing a better segmentation, like PhD A's channel-based segmentation, or some kind of echo cancellation to get to the individual speaker utterances would probably be all that they needed. PhD G added that the paper shared with everyone showed that the lapel within the speaker was bad.", "title": "Discussion on Speakers Used", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speaker", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said that they were led to believe doing a better segmentation to back down to the individual speaker utterances would probably be all that they needed.", "title": "Discussion on Speaker Utterances", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lapel", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said that the lapel within the speaker was bad because it picked up the overlapping speech. PhD G said Chuck wore the lapel three out of four times and PhD G wore it once and it was okay. Grad D said Grad D noticed Chuck wore the lapel a lot and that the difference between the two was how they wore it and where PhD G sat.", "title": "The Use of the Lapel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 20 ], [ 47, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lapel", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G, neat thing, lapel, within speaker, bad, because, picks up the overlapping speech; Chuck wore the lapel three out of four times, lapel was OK, error rates because of insertion, huge error rate.", "title": "The Use of the Lapel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 20 ], [ 47, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "asr", "speaker": "Grad D , PhD G" }, "summary": "Grad D asked the team if they had a preference on which item should go between ASR results from Liz, transcript status from Jane, and disk space and storage formats from Don. PhD G responded saying PhD G was going to skip the ASR results part, in favor of getting the transcription stuff talked about. PhD G added that the paper copy was preliminary in terms of ASR results because they didn't do anything fancy but pointed out some main conclusions like, it was not the speaking style that differed but there was overlap that caused recognition errors. PhD A asked PhD G if PhD G's ASR results were run on the channels synchronized. PhD confirmed by saying that, that was what had been transcribed at the time.", "title": "Discussion about ASR Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "asr", "speaker": "Grad D , PhD G" }, "summary": "Grad D asked the team if they had a preference on which item should go between ASR results from Liz, transcript status from Jane, and disk space and storage formats from Don. PhD G responded saying PhD G was going to skip the ASR results part, in favor of getting the transcription stuff talked about. PhD G said the paper copy was preliminary in terms of ASR results because they didn't do anything fancy but pointed out some main conclusions; it wasn't the speaking style that differed but there was overlap that caused recognition errors.", "title": "Conclusions from the ASR Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "paper copy", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said the paper copy was preliminary in terms of ASR results because they didn't do anything fancy but pointed out some main conclusions.", "title": "Results on the Paper Copy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "paper copy", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said PhD G was going to skip the ASR results part, in favor of getting the transcription stuff talked about. PhD G said Morgan had the paper copy and if people had questions, it was pretty preliminary in terms of ASR results because they didn't do anything fancy but had the results there pointing out some main conclusions like, it was not the speaking style that differed.", "title": "Conclusions from the Paper Copy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "chuck", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said Chuck wore the lapel three times and PhD G wore it once and found it okay.", "title": "Chuck's Lapel Recordings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 47, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "chuck", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G said Chuck wore the lapel three out of four times and PhD G wore it once found it okay. Grad D said Grad D noticed Chuck wore the lapel a lot and that the difference between the two was how they wore it and where PhD G sat.", "title": "Chuck's Versus PhD G's Lapel Recordings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 47, 60 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad D : Um , We have ASR results from Liz , transcript status from Jane , and disk space and storage formats from Don . Does {disfmarker} do we have any prefer preference on which way we wanna {disfmarker} we wanna go ?", "PhD G : Well I was actually gonna skip the ASR results part , in favor of getting the transcription stuff talked about", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : since I think that 's more important to moving forward , but I mean Morgan has this paper copy and if people have questions , um , it 's pretty preliminary in terms of ASR results because we didn't do anything fancy , but I think e just having the results there , and pointing out some main conclusions like it 's not the speaking style that differs , it 's the fact that there 's overlap that causes recognition errors . And then , the fact that it 's almost all insertion errors , which you would expect but you might also think that in the overlapped regions you would get substitutions and so forth , um , leads us to believe that doing a better segmentation , like your channel - based segmentation , or some kind of uh , echo cancellation to get basically back down to the individual speaker utterances would be probably all that we would need to be able to do good recognition on the {disfmarker} on the close - talking mikes .", "PhD A : So these {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Um , why don't you , if you have a hard copy , why don't you email it to the list .", "PhD G : So , that 's about the summary {disfmarker} But this is {disfmarker} Morgan has this paper .", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah .", "Grad D : Oh it 's in the paper .", "Professor F : Yeah , so it 's the same thing ?", "PhD G : I mean he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker}", "Professor F : It 's the same thing I mailed to every everybody that w where it was ,", "PhD G : it {disfmarker} it 's that paper .", "Grad D : OK .", "PhD G : Yeah , yeah .", "Grad D : OK then , it 's already been mailed .", "PhD G : So , we basically , um , did a lot of work on that", "Professor F : yeah .", "PhD G : and it 's {disfmarker} Let 's see , th I guess the other neat thing is it shows for sure w that the lapel , you know within speaker is bad .", "Grad D : Horrible ?", "PhD G : And it 's bad because it picks up the overlapping speech .", "PhD A : So , your {disfmarker} your ASR results were run on the channels synchronized ,", "PhD G : Yes , cuz that 's all that w had been transcribed at the time ,", "PhD A : OK . OK . OK .", "PhD G : um but as we {disfmarker} I mean I wanted to here more about the transcription . If we can get the channel asynchronous or the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD G : the closer t that would be very interesting for us", "PhD B : So if {disfmarker}", "PhD G : because we {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's why I only used the part from use", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor F : which we had uh about uh about the alt over all the channels", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD G : Right . That 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah sure . Yeah .", "Professor F : or mixed channel", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor F : rather mixed signal .", "PhD B : So if there was a segment of speech this long", "PhD G : cuz {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD B : and oh and someone said \" oh , \" the whole thing was passed to the recognizer ?", "Grad D : And someone said \" oh \" in the front {disfmarker} in the middle .", "PhD A : There were several speakers in it , yeah .", "PhD G : That 's right . In fact I {disfmarker} I pulled out a couple classic examples in case you wanna u use them in your talk of", "PhD B : That 's why there 's so many insertion errors ?", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : Chuck on the lapel , so Chuck wore the lapel three out of four times .", "Grad C : Mmm .", "Grad D : I noticed that Chuck was wearing the lapel a lot .", "PhD B : Early on , yeah .", "PhD G : Um , yeah , and I wore the lapel once , and for me the lapel was OK . I mean I still {disfmarker} and I don't know why . I 'm {disfmarker} But um ,", "Grad D : Probably how you wear it {disfmarker} wore it I would guess .", "PhD G : for you it was {disfmarker} Or who was next to me or something like that .", "Grad C : Yeah , where you were sitting probably affected it .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD G : Right , but when Chuck wore the lapel and Morgan was talking there 're a couple really long utterances where Chuck is saying a few things inside , and it 's picking up all of Morgan 's words pretty well and so the rec you know , there 're error rates because of insertion {disfmarker} Insertions aren't bounded , so with a one - word utterance and ten insertions you know you got huge error rate .", "Grad D : Uh - huh .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD G : And that 's {disfmarker} that 's where the problems come in . So I this is sort of what we expected , but it 's nice to be able to {disfmarker} to show it .", "Grad D : Right .", "PhD G : And also I just wanted to mention briefly that , um , uh Andreas and I called up Dan Ellis who 's still stuck in Switzerland , and we were gonna ask him if {disfmarker} if there 're {disfmarker} you know , what 's out there in terms of echo cancellation and things like that . Not that we were gonna do it , but we wanted to know what would need to be done .", "Grad D : And he said , \" Lots lots lots lots . \"", "PhD G : And he {disfmarker} We 've given him the data we have so far , so these sychronous cases where there are overlap .", "PhD A : Yep .", "PhD G : And he 's gonna look into trying to run some things that are out there and see how well it can do", "PhD B : So {disfmarker}", "PhD G : because right now we 're not able to actually report on recognition in a real paper , like a Eurospeech paper , because it would look sort of premature .", "PhD B : So {disfmarker} So the idea is that you would take this big hunk where somebody 's only speaking a small amount in it , and then try to figure out where they 're speaking {comment} based on the other peopl", "PhD G : Right . Or who 's {disfmarker} At any point in time who 's the foreground speaker , who 's the background speaker .", "PhD A : So yeah {disfmarker}", "PhD B : I thought we were just gonna move the boundaries in .", "PhD A : Yeah , should it {disfmarker}", "PhD G : So .", "Grad D : Well that 's with the hand stuff .", "PhD G : So there 's like {disfmarker}", "Grad D : But how would you do that automatically ?", "PhD G : Well ther there 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Uh , I 've actually done some experiments with cross - correlation", "PhD B : Right .", "PhD A : and it seems to work pretty well to {disfmarker} to get rid of those {disfmarker} those overlaps ,", "Grad D : I mean that that 's the sort of thing that you would do .", "Professor F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "PhD A : yeah .", "Grad D : So .", "PhD G : Yeah . Exactly , so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker}", "PhD B : So why do you want to do echo cancellation ?", "PhD G : Um , it would be techniques used from adaptive {disfmarker} adaptive echo cancellation which I don't know enough about to talk about .", "PhD B : Uh - huh .", "Professor F : It {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} it just to r to remove cross - talk .", "PhD G : Um .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : But , right , um , and that would be similar to what you 're also trying to do , but using um , you know , more than energy {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD G : I {disfmarker} I don't know what exactly would go into it .", "PhD A : Yeah , sure .", "PhD B : So it would be {disfmarker}", "PhD G : So the idea is to basically run this on the whole meeting . and get the locations , which gives you also the time boundaries of the individual speak", "PhD B : OK . So do sort of what he 's already {disfmarker} what he 's trying to do .", "PhD G : Right . Except that there are many techniques for the kinds of cues , um , that you can use to do that .", "PhD A : Yeah , in another way ,", "PhD B : OK , I s I see .", "PhD A : yeah . Yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah . I see .", "Professor F : Yeah , Dave {disfmarker} Dave uh is , um , also gonna be doin usin playing around with echo cancellation for the nearfield farfield stuff ,", "PhD G : So .", "Professor F : so we 'll be {disfmarker}", "PhD G : And I guess Espen ? This {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} is he here too ?", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : May also be working {disfmarker} So it would just be ver that 's really the next step because we can't do too much , you know , on term in terms of recognition results knowing that this is a big problem", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : um , until we can do that kind of processing . And so , once we have some {disfmarker} some of yours ,", "PhD A : OK . Yeah I 'm working on it .", "PhD G : and @ @ we 'll move on .", "PhD B : I think this also ties into one of the things that Jane is gonna talk about too .", "Grad D : Um ,", "PhD G : OK .", "Grad D : I also wanted to say I have done all this chopping up of digits ,", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : so I have some naming conventions that we should try to agree on . So let 's do that off - line ,", "PhD G : Oh right .", "Grad D : we don't need to do it during the meeting .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "Grad C : OK .", "PhD G : Right . Definitely {disfmarker}", "Grad D : And {disfmarker} and I have scripts that will extract it out from \" key \" files", "PhD G : Uh , and Don should {disfmarker}", "Grad D : and {disfmarker} and do all the naming automatically ,", "PhD G : OK .", "Grad C : Alright .", "Grad D : so you don't have to do it by hand .", "PhD G : Great .", "Grad C : You 've compiled the list of , uh , speaker names ?", "PhD G : So that that 's it for the {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : Speakers and {disfmarker} OK .", "Grad C : Not names , but I Ds .", "Grad D : Yep . Yeah , names {disfmarker} names in the {disfmarker} names to I Ds ,", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : so you", "PhD G : Great .", "Grad D : and it does all sorts of matches because the way people filled out names is different on every single file so it does a very fuzzy sort of match .", "PhD G : Right .", "Grad C : Cool .", "PhD G : So at this point we can sort of finalize the naming , and so forth ,", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Yep .", "PhD G : and we 're gonna basically re rewrite out these waveforms that we did because as you notice in the paper your \" M O in one meeting and \" M O - two \" in another meeting and it 's {disfmarker} we just need to standardize the", "Grad C : Yeah . That was my fault .", "PhD G : um , no it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}", "Professor F : No , I didn't notice that actually .", "PhD G : um , that 's why those comments are s {vocalsound} are in there .", "Grad C : Yeah . Then disregard it then .", "Grad D : Yep . So th I now have a script that you can just say basically look up Morgan ,", "PhD G : So {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : Right . OK .", "Grad D : and it will give you his ID .", "PhD G : Great , great .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : So . Um ,", "PhD G : Terrific .", "Grad D : alright . Do we {disfmarker} Don , you had disk space and storage formats . Is that something we need to talk about at the meeting , or should you just talk with Chuck at some other time ?", "Grad C : Um , I had some general questions just about the compression algorithms of shortening waveforms and I don't know exactly who to ask . I thought that maybe you would be the {disfmarker} the person to talk to . So , is it a lossless compression {comment} when you compress ,", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : so {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Entropy coding .", "Grad C : It just uses entropy coding ?", "Grad D : So .", "Grad C : OK . So , I mean , I guess my question would be is I just got this new eighteen gig drive installed . Um , yeah , which is {disfmarker}", "Grad D : And I assume half of it is scratch and half of it is {disfmarker} ?", "Grad C : I 'm not exactly sure how they partitioned it .", "Grad D : Probably , yeah .", "Grad C : But um ,", "Professor F : That 's typical , huh .", "Grad C : yeah , I don't know what 's typical here , but um , it 's local though , so {disfmarker}", "Grad D : That doesn't matter .", "Grad C : But {disfmarker}", "Grad D : You can access it from anywhere in ICSI . N {disfmarker}", "Grad C : OK . Alright . How do you do that ?", "Professor F : In fact , this is an eighteen gig drive , {comment} or is it a thirty six gig drive with eighteen {disfmarker}", "Grad D : N {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Eighteen .", "PhD G : Eigh - eighteen . It was a spare that Dave had around {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Slash N slash machine name , slash X A in all likelihood .", "Professor F : Oh OK .", "Grad C : Oh I see . OK . Alright , I did know that .", "Grad D : Um , so the {disfmarker} the only question is how much of it {disfmarker} The distinction between scratch and non - scratch is whether it 's backed up or not .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm . Right .", "Grad D : So what you wanna do is use the scratch for stuff that you can regenerate .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : So , the stuff that isn't backed up is not a big deal because disks don't crash very frequently ,", "Grad C : Right .", "Grad D : as long as you can regenerate it .", "Grad C : Right . I mean all of this stuff can be regenerated ,", "PhD G : Yeah it 's {disfmarker}", "Grad C : it 's just a question {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Then put it all on scratch", "PhD G : Well the {disfmarker}", "Grad D : because we 're {disfmarker} ICSI is {disfmarker} is bottlenecked by backup .", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm , very good point .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : So we wanna put {disfmarker}", "PhD G : Well I 'd leave all the {disfmarker} All the transcript stuff shouldn't {disfmarker} should be backed up ,", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : but all the waveform {disfmarker} {comment} Sound files should not be backed up ,", "Grad C : Yeah , I guess {disfmarker} Right .", "PhD G : the ones that you write out .", "Grad C : OK . So , I mean , I guess th the other question was then , should we shorten them , downsample them , or keep them in their original form ? Um {disfmarker}", "Grad D : It just depends on your tools . I mean , because it 's not backed up and it 's just on scratch , if your sc tools can't take shortened format , I would leave them expanded ,", "Grad C : Right .", "Grad D : so you don't have to unshorten them every single time you wanna do anything .", "Grad C : OK .", "PhD G : We can downsample them ,", "Grad C : Do you think that 'd be OK ?", "PhD G : so .", "Grad C : To downsample them ?", "PhD G : Yeah . Yeah , we get the same performance .", "Grad C : OK .", "PhD G : I mean the r the front - end on the SRI recognizer just downsamples them on the fly ,", "Grad C : Yeah , I guess the only argument against downsampling is to preserve just the original files in case we want to experiment with different filtering techniques .", "PhD G : so {disfmarker} So that 's {disfmarker}", "Professor F : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry {disfmarker}", "PhD G : Yeah , if", "Professor F : Yeah , l I mean over all our data , we {disfmarker} we want to not downsample .", "PhD G : fe You 'd {disfmarker} you wanna not . OK .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : So we 're {disfmarker} what we 're doing is we 're writing out {disfmarker} I mean , this is just a question . We 're writing out these individual segments , that wherever there 's a time boundary from Thilo , or {disfmarker} or Jane 's transcribers , you know , we {disfmarker} we chop it {pause} there .", "Professor F : Yeah . Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : And the reason is so that we can feed it to the recognizer ,", "Professor F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : and throw out ones that we 're not using and so forth .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : And those are the ones that we 're storing .", "Grad D : Yeah , as I said , since that 's {disfmarker} it 's regeneratable , what I would do is take {disfmarker} downsample it ,", "PhD G : So {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad D : and compress it however you 're e the SRI recognizer wants to take it in .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "Professor F : ye", "PhD G : So we can't shorten them ,", "Grad C : Right .", "PhD G : but we can downsample them .", "Professor F : Yeah , I mean {disfmarker} yeah , I 'm sorry .", "PhD G : So .", "Professor F : As {disfmarker} yeah , as long as there is a {disfmarker} a form that we can come from again , that is not downsampled , {comment} then ,", "Grad C : r Yeah .", "PhD G : Oh yeah th", "Grad C : Yeah those are gonna be kept .", "PhD G : Yeah . Yeah . That {disfmarker} that 's why we need more disk space", "Professor F : uuu", "PhD G : cuz we 're basically duplicating the originals , um {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Yeah .", "Grad D : Right .", "Professor F : Then it 's fine . But for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} fu future research we 'll be doing it with different microphone positions and so on", "PhD G : Oh yeah .", "Grad C : Right .", "Grad D : Yep .", "PhD G : No . We always have the original long ones .", "Professor F : we would like to {disfmarker}", "PhD B : So the SRI front - end won't take a uh {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} a large audio file name and then a {disfmarker} a list of segments to chop out {comment} from that large audio file ?", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD B : They actually have to be chopped out already ?", "PhD G : Um , it 's better if they 're chopped out ,", "PhD B : Uh - huh .", "PhD G : and {disfmarker} and it {disfmarker} it will be {disfmarker} yeah , y we could probably write something to do that , but it 's actually convenient to have them chopped out cuz you can run them , you know , in different orders . You c you can actually move them around .", "Grad D : And that 's the whole point about the naming conventions", "PhD G : Uh , you can get rid of", "Grad D : is that you could run all the English speaking ,", "PhD G : Yeah , it it 's a lot faster .", "Grad D : all the native speakers , and all the non - native speakers ,", "PhD G : Right . You can grab everything with the word \" the \" in it ,", "Grad D : and all the men , and all the women . Yeah .", "PhD G : and it 's {disfmarker} That 's a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wavefile each time , find the time boundaries and {disfmarker} So in principle , yeah , you could do that ,", "PhD B : I don't {disfmarker} I don't think that 's really right .", "PhD G : but it 's {disfmarker} but it 's um {disfmarker}", "Grad D : \" That 's just not right , man . \" The {disfmarker} the point {disfmarker}", "PhD G : These are long {disfmarker} These are long {disfmarker}", "Grad D : So {disfmarker} so s For example , what if you wanted to run {disfmarker} run all the native speakers .", "PhD G : You know . This is an hour of speech .", "Grad D : Right , so if {disfmarker} if you did it that way you would have to generate a program that looks in the database somewhere , extracts out the language , finds the time - marks for that particular one , do it that way . The way they 're doing it , you have that already extracted and it 's embedded in the file name . And so , you know , you just say {disfmarker}", "PhD G : We - yeah that 's {disfmarker} so that 's part of it", "Grad D : y so you just say you know \" asterisk E asterisk dot wave \" , and you get what you want .", "PhD G : is {disfmarker} Right . And the other part is just that once they 're written out it {disfmarker} it is a lot faster to {disfmarker} to process them .", "Grad D : Rather than doing seeks through the file .", "PhD G : So . Otherwise , you 're just accessing {disfmarker}", "Grad D : This is all just temporary access , so I don't {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} it 's all just {disfmarker} It 's fine . You know . Fine to do it however is convenient .", "PhD G : Right .", "Professor F : I mean it just depends how big the file is . If the file sits in memory you can do extremely fast seeks", "PhD G : Right . The other thing is that , believe it or not {disfmarker} I mean , we have some {disfmarker}", "Professor F : but .", "Grad D : Yeah and they don't . Two gig ?", "PhD G : So we 're also looking at these in Waves like for the alignments and so forth . You can't load an hour of speech into X Waves .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : You need to s have these small files , and in fact , even for the Transcriber program Um {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Yes you can .", "PhD B : Yeah , you {disfmarker} you can give Waves a start and an end time . And middle .", "PhD G : Yeah , if you try to load s really long waveform into X Waves , you 'll be waiting there for {disfmarker}", "PhD B : No , I {disfmarker} I 'm not suggesting you load a long wave file ,", "PhD G : Oh", "PhD B : I 'm just saying you give it a start and an end time . And it 'll just go and pull out that section .", "Grad D : I th w The transcribers didn't have any problem with that did they Jane ?", "Postdoc E : What 's th u w in what respect ?", "PhD G : Loading the long {disfmarker}", "PhD A : No , with the Transcriber tool , it 's no problem .", "Grad D : They loaded {disfmarker} they loaded the long long files into X Waves .", "PhD G : It takes a very long ti", "PhD A : Yeah just to load a transcription", "Postdoc E : In the {disfmarker} in Mm - hmm .", "PhD A :", "PhD G : Right .", "PhD A : takes a long time ,", "PhD G : It takes a l very long time .", "PhD A : but not for the wavefile . The wavefile is there immediately .", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Grad D : Are you talking about Transcriber or X Waves ?", "PhD G : Huh .", "PhD A : Yeah . Oh , I 'm tr talking about Transcriber .", "PhD G : Actually , you 're talking about Transcriber , right ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad D : Because {disfmarker} because i we used X Waves to do the digits .", "Postdoc E : It was also true of the digits task which was X Waves .", "Grad D : And they were loading the full mixed files then ,", "Postdoc E : Yeah . Very quickly .", "Grad D : and it didn't seem to be any problem .", "Postdoc E : I agree .", "PhD G : Huh . Well we {disfmarker} we have a problem with that , you know , time - wise on a {disfmarker} It - it 's a lot slower to load in a long file ,", "Grad D : Hmm . Seemed really fast .", "PhD G : and also to check the file , so if you have a transcript , um ,", "Grad D : Well regardless , it 's {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 55, "turns": [ 246, 277 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , cost constraints , financial targets", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that their profit aim was about fifty million Euros and that the production cost must also be maximal at twelve Euros and fifty cents.", "title": "Financial Targets of the New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control , cost constraints , financial targets", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; when you are going to design we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product will be about twenty-five Euros; our company of course, profit aim, about fifty million Euro; So we have to sell quite a lot of this things; also important for you all is the product production cost must be maximal twelve Euro and fifty cents.", "title": "Financial Targets of the New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 22 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Let's continue to uh {disfmarker} to the real stuff .", "Industrial Designer : Wow .", "Project Manager : Um our project uh finance uh thing . Uh when we are {disfmarker} and when w you are uh going to design w uh we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product uh will be about twenty five Euros , so when designing a project uh I also look at you uh Mael , keep in mind uh uh uh {disfmarker} People uh", "User Interface : Twenty four .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : want to get the feeling this is a twenty five Euro project uh pr um product .", "Industrial Designer : Per remote control ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : yeah ? Per project .", "Project Manager : Yes . Okay . Um", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : more interesting for our company {vocalsound} of course , p uh profit aim , about fifty million Euro . So we have to sell uh quite a lot of this uh {vocalsound} um things . Uh we will try to uh to get at a international market uh so um it will be I think mainly Europe and uh Northern America ,", "User Interface : Ah yeah , the sale man , four million .", "Project Manager : maybe some uh Asian countries . Um also important for you all is um the the product uh production cost must be maximal uh twelve uh twelve Euro and fifty cents .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So it's half of the selling price , if I am good in mathematics .", "Project Manager : Yes , of course . Uh um I mean we still have to uh to make a profit , huh ?", "User Interface : They have to sell at least four million to make a profit {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Of course .", "Marketing : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You all have to be paid .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Excuse me ?", "User Interface : Ah we have to make {disfmarker} we have to sell at least four million to make our own profit . Fifty mill", "Industrial Designer : Oh you're g very good in mathematics .", "Marketing : Yes . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes , indeed .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Four million .", "Project Manager : So uh well I think w when we are working on the international market , uh in principle it has enough customers", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : uh so when we have a good product we uh we could uh meet this this aim , I think . So , that about finance . And uh now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and uh well keep in mind this this first point , it has to be original , it has to be trendy , it has to be user friendly . Um , maybe someone can mention some additional uh prerequisites for a good remote control ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 18, 437 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "current trend , potential materials", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing spoke about searching current trends both on the web and through fashion-watchers. Findings were that the first thing to aim for was a fashion, fancy look and feel and then technologic technology and innovations to do with that.", "title": "Searching on the Current Trends", "relevant_turns": [ 12 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "current trend , potential materials", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing spoke about the findings on current trends, which were fancy look and feel, technology and its innovation, and the easy to use factor.", "title": "Findings on Current Trends", "relevant_turns": [ 12 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing spoke they needed to go for what they wanted, and pointed out their motto, they went for fashion. And added about fashion in electronics.", "title": "Motto of the Company", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said they were going for that if they wanted. So they went for fashion, fashion in electronics, they needed to go for fruits and vegetables and also go for a spongy feel. They should discuss together how spongy it could be.", "title": "Fruits and Vegetables", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they could use rubber and other several materials. The rubber case had some requirements and compared the rubber to the stress ball things.", "title": "Rubber Case", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 258 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they could use rubber, plastic, wood, or titanium. the rubber case required rubber buttons. One of the material options was a sort of rubber that was like in the stress ball things so that would be spongy.", "title": "Material Options", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 258 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer spoke about custom designing their case, maybe a hard plastic or some other material case. Followed by giving other materials that could be used on the phone cases.", "title": "Material Case", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "case", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about looking at the design of the components, consulting mostly remote control diagrams from the Internet. They would be custom designing using a hard case or some other material case. They couldn't use titanium cases because it was heavy and could only be used in flat cases, if they wanted plastic buttons, they shouldn't have a rubber case.", "title": "Custom Designing", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fruit", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested the whole thing be about and be named after fruits and vegetables. Talked about the hand held part. Industrial Designer suggested doing it like the computers.", "title": "Suggestion from User Interface and Industrial Designer", "relevant_turns": [ 278, 295, 300, 400 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "fruit", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested they integrate the whole thing about the fruit and vegetable. The handheld part could be made into the fruit and vegetable part. Industrial designer said they could do all colours and name them after fruits.", "title": "Suggestion on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 278, 295, 300, 400 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise thing", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about using a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote. And they talked about case material options such as rubber, plastic, wood or titanium. Titanium was rejected for its resilience limitation and heaviness. They needed a radio sender and receiver, those were standard.", "title": "Remote Components Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise thing", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about including the infrared LED, material options, radio sender and receiver, and a noise thing for locating the remote.", "title": "Remote Components Design", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : So I've been looking at the components design . Um . Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting . Um , so we need some custom design parts , and other parts we'll just use standard . Um , I assume we'll be custom designing our case , probably a hard plastic or some other material case , to protect the remote and the locator . And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board , because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time . But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out . Um , standard parts include the buttons and the wheels , um the iPod-style wheel . The infrared L_E_D_ is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it . Um , we need a radio sender and receiver , those are standard . And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote . So we have some material options . Um , we can use rubber , plastic , wood or titanium . Um , I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy . Um , and the rubber case requires rubber buttons , so if we definitely want plastic buttons , we shouldn't have a rubber case .", "Project Manager : And why not wood ?", "Industrial Designer : And ,", "Project Manager : And why not wood ? {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : hmm ? {vocalsound} Uh , well we can use wood . {vocalsound} I don't know why we'd want to . Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button , it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip . We can't use the minimal chip , we need the next higher grade , which is called regular . I don't think it's much more expensive , but it is more expensive . So that's what I've got on design .", "Project Manager : 'S good .", "Marketing : Um , can I do next ? 'Cause I have to say something about the material", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : which is quite shocking .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Ha . Mm . Right , um , I have been searching the current trends , um , both on the web and via fashion-watchers , and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh , fancy look and feel . Um . Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that . And th last thing is the easy to use um factor . Um , fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing , but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use . Um , our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided , well noticed , that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the {vocalsound} is the current trend", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want , you know , wh whatever our motto is . Um . For fashion , we go for fashion .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : The fashion in electronics . So we want to put the fashion electronics , we need to go fruit and vegetables . And also go for a spongy feel , so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer . As to the material should be limited to {disfmarker} I don't know how spongy it can be , should discuss this together , I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go . Um . I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : but that's just a personal opinion .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I think", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed , so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff , or should the actual remote look like a fruit ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um , and finally again with the spongy . It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find {disfmarker} come up with a solution that's better than mine . Um , yeah , to summarise these are the points that need to be um , touched in order to get a good decision , and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Thank you for your attention .", "User Interface : So .", "Project Manager : I think it's the next {disfmarker} it's the blue one , yeah .", "User Interface : Oh , uh , there we go . {vocalsound} Uh . Okay . Um . Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I actually wasn't aware of the {vocalsound} new trends in electronics", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and and uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Neither was I . Well it's a trend in fashion , in clothing and um {vocalsound} fabrics . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That's quite interesting . What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh god . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh , I was gonna say .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : You said uh people want spongy .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um , one of your {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's {gap} in like those stress ball things . So , that would be spongy .", "User Interface : Oh , okay , that would be cool .", "Project Manager : Ah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Just nice feel , but I hate spongy .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , c that's e that would be kind of {disfmarker} oh , you know , usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type , you know , thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I mean definitely the area round it .", "User Interface : But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so you're like {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I think it could work .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Or what if we integrated the {vocalsound} the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : we somehow made it tactilely fash you know , we c tapped into that , so like it feels like", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana .", "User Interface : a vegetable . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well it could be like mobiles that just {disfmarker} you just put a cover .", "Project Manager : An orange . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : If it's a small thing , you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : which frankly I'm not particularly fond of ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : You know you had {disfmarker} there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles .", "Industrial Designer : You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit , apple machine and they have like the blueberry , like all the colours are named after fruits .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . You could name it after fruits and vegetables , or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And it could {disfmarker} the colour can fit your sitting room ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry , and then if you have a green one you can have {disfmarker} well I don't know . Um .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So what if {disfmarker} what", "User Interface : So I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : yeah , colours .", "Project Manager : I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking . If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand , so like what you're feeling is comfortable , and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Is that kind of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I {disfmarker} 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I do I dunno . Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just {disfmarker} the feedback we've just got about the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Maybe a ball .", "Project Manager : A ball ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Know , a squashy ball .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} A relaxing squashy ball . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} That you can p", "User Interface : That's in the shape of a fruit , like a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : well I {disfmarker} see you're thinking , it's weird , you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and I'm thinking how do you change the hard {disfmarker} would you put a um sticker sort of ? Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit , like a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : This is just {disfmarker} Okay . Say that's the s say that's the squashy bit . Squashy .", "Marketing : Oh , okay , yeah . Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That {disfmarker} see I was thinking this s", "Marketing : Which is cheaper .", "Project Manager : sorry {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well I don't know if it's cheaper actually .", "Project Manager : I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing .", "Industrial Designer : Oh . Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And like this {disfmarker} you could have like you could have like cherries and {vocalsound} things around there .", "User Interface : Oh I like that shape .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I was thinking sort of a single ball shape .", "Project Manager : I was thinking if it was like this {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : So you're holding a squishy ball", "Project Manager : 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and then it has a {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : It's like it has to be s", "Project Manager : It's almost like your thumb is farther up ,", "User Interface : yeah {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : so if if you could squish it lower then {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I guess so .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . So it wouldn't be very big in either {disfmarker} like how big ? This big , and then you just do that , I suppose .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I know what you meant , yeah .", "User Interface : What if , yeah , what if the squishy , oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable , and you can {disfmarker} so so maybe one you know {disfmarker} you can have like the broccoli squishy thing , and then you could have like the banana squishy thing {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and you could get {disfmarker} you could have your choice , you know ?", "Marketing : Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy , like a a cover .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} well the question is , which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that ,", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : No .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : Um . That's nicer . I think it's nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Hmm . Well that's not very neat , but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . I mean I think uh {disfmarker} and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely {disfmarker} So you could make that into the fruit and vegetable part .", "Marketing : If it's a bit like those juggling balls , you can change shape according to your {disfmarker} to the way you hold it .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah you could squish it .", "Marketing : If it's got sand in it maybe , or something , you {disfmarker} it it just moulds to your hand .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . So where are the fruit and vegetables now ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front , or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath .", "User Interface : Fruits and veg .", "Marketing : We we don't know . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : And the rest is the company {disfmarker} the company colour's silver ?", "Project Manager : It was , yeah , silver and yellow . It l it looks like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I don't {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : We could promote the banana one ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 57, "turns": [ 183, 234 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "LCD", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the LCD screen was needless since people never looked at the remote control when using it. User Interface said that the LCD idea was a great idea but the budget was strict.", "title": "Having LCD on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "LCD", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said having an LCD screen was too complicated and kind of needless since most people when using the remote control never looked at it but looked at the TV. User Interface added that the LCD idea was great but the budget was strict and suggested they went for a child-friendly shape and design and easy-to-use feature.", "title": "Having LCD on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "budget", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface said that for personal preferences the raised symbols were good and the LCD did look smart but thought it would be a bit too expensive to have LCD and speech recognition. Marketing said that from the market survey people were willing to pay more as they wanted quality, a fancy look, and a new remote control design, and if they met those requirements they would have good sales in the market.", "title": "Budget Constraints for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "budget", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface; the LCD, does look smart, but I think maybe for our budget, do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have; Marketing; in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more.", "title": "Budget Constraints for Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 41 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : It's {disfmarker} you program it like you say , record , um and then , play , and then , record , play machine , and stuff like that , so that's {disfmarker} And it's much {disfmarker} Yeah . So that's quite cool . Uh personal preferences just some imagination , the raised symbols I thought were good , the L_C_D_ , it does look smart , but I think maybe for our budget , do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The L_C_D_", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and the other stuff uh , I think .", "User Interface : And the speech recognition , 'cause I think we're definitely going for the speech recognition ,", "Marketing : But in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more ,", "User Interface : are we ?", "Marketing : but they want the quality , they want f fancy look , they want some new design , something new .", "User Interface : Uh-huh .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh yeah .", "User Interface : Uh-huh . But our budget , we've {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's still it's still got to get within our twelve fifty , you know .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : So even if we increase our cost little bit , within uh some limits , and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook , I think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales in the market .", "User Interface : Uh-huh . Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : I'm not sure if the {disfmarker} if {vocalsound} for twenty five Euros uh per uh twelve Euros fifty m manufacturing cost , {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Ben bana", "Project Manager : Yeah . I can't see tha Although , th I mean to be to be sure they have got {disfmarker} I mean they are going crazy with the L_C_D_ technology now ,", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : The L_C_D_ .", "Project Manager : so that you've got your L_C_D_ T_V_s and everything so maybe the small {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But I mean like I I {disfmarker} the black and white , I guess , it just doesn't look funky enough .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um but , I mean , like even mobile phones or whatever have {disfmarker} now have colour L_C_D_ screens ,", "User Interface : No .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : w I ju I mean", "User Interface : Yeah . S", "Project Manager : I wouldn't know about the costs of them .", "User Interface : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : But uh price price not withstanding um , is it too complicated , is it gonna be too much just overload ?", "Marketing : And the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Twelve fifty .", "Marketing : Uh i it will be easy because there will be , on L_C_D_ s screen , there will be different frent icons , they can just click ok okay , whatever they wa", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Possibly .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's the thing , because {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But but the thing is when you use a remote control , you never look at it , right ? You're looking at the T_V_", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and and it's uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : That's true , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It just seems kind of like a a needless th", "User Interface : And one of the survey findings was that they want it easy to use , so I think I'm not sure about the L_C_D_ .", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : It's a it's great , it's a good idea , but for our budget and for the thing we're trying to go for eas easy to use , it's not the thing we should go for , I think . Child-friendly , I thought this was good , as you pointed out the um {vocalsound} the bit , it often goes missing especially with children , but it's a good shape and the organic is kind of {disfmarker} we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape , I think .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 10, "turns": [ 0, 64 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote , presentation", "speaker": "Grad B , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad B spoke about the remote would have done it and Grad D having been in control. Grad D also commented of them being so high-tech. Grad B questioned which button could do something for himself and the purpose of the light bulb icon. Grad B added that he would switch to the JavaBayes program and had to end in the middle of the presentation.", "title": "Presentation Concerns", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 3, [ 5, 6 ], [ 8, 9 ], [ 11, 13 ], [ 15, 19 ], 21, 23, [ 25, 26 ], [ 28, 29 ], 31, 33, 35, 37, [ 39, 40 ], 42, [ 44, 45 ], [ 47, 50 ], [ 53, 54 ], 57, 59, [ 61, 62 ], 64 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote , presentation", "speaker": "Grad B , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D asked if there was a need to do those things. Grad B also asked if F-seven could be hit to do it but realized that the remote could do it. Grad D said that they were all high tech. Grad B checked which buttons would do it. Grad B said that it was not known what the light bulb was used for. Grad B added that it was installed into the PowerPoint presentation. Grad B said that the JavaBayes program would be used. Grad D said to proceed.", "title": "Changes Within The Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 3, [ 5, 6 ], [ 8, 9 ], [ 11, 13 ], [ 15, 19 ], 21, 23, [ 25, 26 ], [ 28, 29 ], 31, 33, 35, 37, [ 39, 40 ], 42, [ 44, 45 ], [ 47, 50 ], [ 53, 54 ], 57, 59, [ 61, 62 ], 64 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote , light bulb", "speaker": "Grad A , Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B mentioned that goats could eat cans. Grad B added that the remote would do it. and checked which of the buttons would do it. Grad A suggested to click on the light bulb. Grad B said he did not know what the light bulb was for. Grad A answered that it opened the Assistant. Grad A further inquired what Grad B was doing it in a certain mode. Grad B answered that he would switch to the JavaBayes program. Grad A assured Grad B that it would work.", "title": "Light Bulb Button", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 5, [ 9, 11 ], [ 13, 15 ], 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 28, [ 34, 38 ], [ 40, 41 ], 43, [ 45, 47 ], 49, 51, 54, [ 56, 57 ], 59, 62, 64 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote , light bulb", "speaker": "Grad A , Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B mentioned that goats could eat Tin cans. Grad B added that the remote would do it Grad A suggested to click on the light bulb. Grad B said he did not know what the light bulb was for. Grad A answered that it opened the Assistant to tell that the font type was too small. Grad A further inquired why Grad B was doing it in a certain mode and not in the presentation mode. Grad B answered that he would switch to the JavaBayes program. Grad A assured Grad B that it would work.", "title": "Presentation Challenges", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 5, [ 9, 11 ], [ 13, 15 ], 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 28, [ 34, 38 ], [ 40, 41 ], 43, [ 45, 47 ], 49, 51, 54, [ 56, 57 ], 59, 62, 64 ] } ], "source": [ "Grad C : Nice .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad A : to {disfmarker} to handle .", "Grad D : Is that good ?", "Grad C : Right . Yeah , I 've have never handled them .", "Grad B : Goats eat cans , to my understanding . Tin cans .", "Grad D : Did we need to do these things ?", "Grad C : Wow .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad B : Could I hit {disfmarker} hit F - seven to do that ? on the {disfmarker} Robert ?", "Grad A : I 'm", "Grad B : Oh , the remote will do it OK .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad B : Cuz I 'm already up there ?", "Grad A : in control here .", "Grad B : You are in control . Already ?", "Grad D : Wow , we 're all so high tech here . Yet another p PowerPoint presentation .", "Grad B : I {disfmarker} Well it makes it easier {pause} to do", "Grad D : Certainly does .", "Grad B : So , {pause} we were {disfmarker} Ah !", "Grad C : Johno , where are you ?", "Grad B : OK . So , Let 's see . Which one of these buttons will do this for me ? Aha ! OK .", "Grad C : Should you go back to the first one ?", "Grad B : Do I wanna go back to the first one ?", "Grad C : Well {disfmarker}", "Grad B : OK .", "Grad D : I 'm sorry I {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Well , I mean , {pause} just to {disfmarker}", "Grad B : OK . Introduce .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad C : Yeah , um {vocalsound} Well , \" the search for the middle layer \" . It 's basically uh talks about uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It just refers to the fact that uh {pause} one of main things we had to do was to {pause} decide what the intermediate sort of nodes were ,", "Grad D : I can read ! I 'm kidding .", "Grad C : you know , because {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : But if you really want to find out what it 's about you have to {pause} click on the little {pause} light bulb .", "Grad B : Although I 've {disfmarker} I 've never {disfmarker} I don't know what the light bulb is for . I didn't i install that into my {pause} PowerPoint presentation .", "Grad A : It opens the Assistant that tells you that the font type is too small .", "Grad B : Ah .", "Grad A : Do you wanna try ?", "Grad D : Ach u", "Grad B : I 'd prefer not to .", "Grad A : OK . Continue .", "Grad D : It 's a needless good idea . Is that the idea ?", "Grad A : Why are you doing this in this mode and not in the presentation mode ?", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad B : Because I 'm gonna switch to the JavaBayes program", "Grad A : Oh ! OK . Of course . Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : and then {pause} if I do that it 'll mess everything up .", "Grad D : I was wondering .", "Grad B : Is that OK ?", "Grad D : Yeah , it 's OK .", "Grad A : Sure .", "Grad C : Can you maximize the window ?", "Grad D : Proceed .", "Grad B : You want me to {disfmarker} Wait , what do you want me to do ?", "Grad C : Can you maximize the window so all that stuff on the side isn't {disfmarker} doesn't appear ?", "Grad A : No , It 's OK . It 's {disfmarker} It 'll work .", "Grad B : Well I can do that , but then I have to end the presentation in the middle so I can go back to open up", "Grad C : OK , fine .", "Grad B : Here , let 's see if I can {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Alright .", "Grad D : Very nice .", "Grad B : Is that better ? OK .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Grad B : Uh {disfmarker} I 'll also get rid of this \" Click to add notes \" . OK ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 207, 241 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface asked about making a decision on features that were really wanted to be included. User Interface added that they included a lot of features but questioned if all of these would be included. Industrial Designer suggested to check on the closing slides and to be watchful for trends. Industrial Designer suggested doing many features and to eliminate after. User Interface, however, objected and thought of the impracticality of designing features and not using them after.", "title": "Product Feature Planning", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface asked on making a decision about wanted features that would be included. User Interface added that they included many features but questioned if these would all be incorporated. Industrial Designer suggested to check on the closing slides and mentioned the components' concept and to be watchful for trends. Industrial Designer suggested to begin with many features and to eliminate after. However, User Interface objected and thought of the impracticality of designing features and not using them in the end.", "title": "Product Features Process Planning", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 34 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : 'cause we've thrown a lot of features onto the table , but do we actually want to incorporate all of them , or have we missed anything ?", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Do you wanna go back and look at the closing slide , maybe that would provide some guidance ?", "User Interface : Sure .", "Industrial Designer : Doesn't really tell us .", "Project Manager : So not really this one we are talk ab", "Marketing : Individual actions . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well it says individual actions ,", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : it says user interf so I'm supposed to do the components concept , supposed to work on the user interface concept ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and you're supposed to keep watching the trends . Um and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach . I think we should {vocalsound} do as many features as uh {disfmarker} start with all of them right now", "User Interface : I thought {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and eliminate them later in the process , that's my suggestion .", "Project Manager : Okay , that will be great . {vocalsound} And uh I'll send you the the minutes of meet", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} You can object if you want to {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No , I I'm just thinking in terms of time ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} She's objecting . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : like if {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yes , now I'm objecting . No , I mean , I was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we're just gonna end up throwing away ? I mean , it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features , um and s if we spend that time and effort on features that we're not gonna use , maybe it's better to spend it on the f thinking more about features that we actually do want , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think we should take that as an action item for after the meeting ,", "Marketing : Oh th {vocalsound} we s we still have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : guess {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : 'cause w our meeting time has run out .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Somebody else has go to use this room ,", "Marketing : Right .", "User Interface : Sure .", "Industrial Designer : and , you know , we can't hang out here", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and talk about this , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Sure ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 2, "turns": [ 431, 667 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project , creativity", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned to go further with the product and the project process. Project Manager said that they could had a better decision and been creative but was limited by price and leadership. Project Manager defended that they performed well.", "title": "Project Constraints", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 4, 13, 17, 21, 25, 27, 29, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41, 45, 50, 52, 58, 61, 63, 65 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "project , creativity", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that about the project itself, they would go further with the evaluation and think about the project process. Project Manager uttered that they could have been more creative but was tempered by price, components, and leadership. Project Manager shared that it was a laboratory environment but asserted that they did very well when the situation was accounted.", "title": "Project Post-Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 4, 13, 17, 21, 25, 27, 29, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41, 45, 50, 52, 58, 61, 63, 65 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "SMARTboards , blue tongue", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked what the group thought about the SMARTboards. Project Manager said that a feature was missed but thought that it would be very easy. Project Manager uttered that a feature could not be used so it was missed. Project Manager said that the product was evaluated but needed redesign. Project Manager called the new feature, blue tongue.", "title": "Project's New Feature", "relevant_turns": [ 123, 125, 128, 132, 137, 139, 141, 143, 145, 151, 153, 156, 158, 160, 163, 165, 168, 170, 172, 176, 180, 184, 186, 188, 190, 192, 197, 199, 202, 204, 206, 209, 212, 217, 223, 226, 228, 232, 236 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "SMARTboards , blue tongue", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; what did you think about the SMARTboards; missed a feature to easily select a slide and distribute it to the laptops; want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further couldn't use that feature; so; missed; weren't able to do that; At least; wasn't explained how to do; the project is evaluated; need to redesign uh the product; This is a new model; Blue tongue; a new feature next to Bluetooth to disable all Bluetooth devices.", "title": "Product's New Feature", "relevant_turns": [ 123, 125, 128, 132, 137, 139, 141, 143, 145, 151, 153, 156, 158, 160, 163, 165, 168, 170, 172, 176, 180, 184, 186, 188, 190, 192, 197, 199, 202, 204, 206, 209, 212, 217, 223, 226, 228, 232, 236 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "choice , components", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer shared that they had too little information. Industrial Designer added that there was too narrow components choices so there was really no process. Industrial Designer asserted that they thought of components not possible with the current ones. Industrial Designer thought they were a good team.", "title": "Project's Limited Choices", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 36 ], 43, [ 49, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "choice , components", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; had too little information actually; looking at room for creativity; the choice of components was way too narrow; So there was not really a process; in the first meeting; already were very creative; thought of possibilities; are not possible with the current offer of manufacturing components; good team.", "title": "Project Design Limitations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 36 ], 43, [ 49, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "SMARTboard , response", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought the digital pen was okay but the SMARTboard was not. Industrial Designer said that its response was very slow and the possibilities were very limited. Industrial Designer suggested that it needed to be calibrated. Industrial Designer remarked that it was a great solution. Industrial Designer concluded that it was a good product.", "title": "New Product Assessment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 74 ], [ 85, 93 ], [ 99, 102 ], [ 110, 117 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "SMARTboard , response", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer shared that the digital pen was okay but the SMARTboard was really bad because its response was very slow, its possibilities were very limited and it was not accurate. Industrial Designer relayed that it needed to be calibrated. Industrial Designer said that was a great solution to a known problem like writing down some notes because you have everything in one place and it was quite easy. Industrial Designer concluded that it was a good product though the shape of the pen was too big.", "title": "Assessment on New Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 74 ], [ 85, 93 ], [ 99, 102 ], [ 110, 117 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digital pen , response", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the group liked the SMARTboard and the digital pen. Project Manager reiterated that the concern was the thing itself instead of its response. Project Manager asked the times the pen was used. Project Manager concluded that they liked to digitize it.", "title": "Digital Pen Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 70 ], 75, [ 79, 83 ], [ 87, 100 ], [ 104, 121 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digital pen , response", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; SMARTboard, the digital pen; like; pen; it had to be better aligned; it was calibrated just before this meeting; the one before, the third meeting; So it's not the calibration; it's the thing itself. use the pen a lot? Or not at all? it was quite a handy thing; would like to see OCR; To digitize them.", "title": "Digital Pen Concerns", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 70 ], 75, [ 79, 83 ], [ 87, 100 ], [ 104, 121 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Um we'll go further on with the the rest of the evaluation . About the project itself , not about the product . Um {disfmarker} What did you think about uh the process , the project process ? Ruud ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Try to translate that . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Any any other {disfmarker} Uh , Roo ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I think uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Ye", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Roo . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The process was good .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But w um we weren't aware of the prices of the costs .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : And and that was the the big deal . I if we knew that before , we c we could have made", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Actually , we had {disfmarker}", "User Interface : the the choice between {gap} what {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Better decision .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We had we had too little information actually .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} And uh um the the the {disfmarker} well , looking at room for creativity , there was w way too {disfmarker} the the choice of components was way too narrow .", "Project Manager : Less . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So there was not really a process of uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So we could we we could be {disfmarker} we could've been creative . But um it was tempered by the choice of components and the the price .", "Industrial Designer : Well {disfmarker} Yes .", "Marketing : The prices .", "Industrial Designer : Well , in the first meeting we we already were very creative .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We we thought of possibilities {vocalsound} who are not possible uh with the the current uh offer of uh manufacturing components . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We're tempered by that , yes .", "Project Manager : Okay , Roo ? Any other thoughts on that ?", "User Interface : No , no .", "Project Manager : Ruud ?", "Marketing : I agree .", "Project Manager : You agree , okay . Uh leadership .", "User Interface : Fantastic . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay , Roo's on for his promotion . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , {gap} okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I think we're a good team .", "Project Manager : I think so too , it's it's it's uh of course a laboratory environment . I missed it um to be able to contact you in between and uh say uh , hey Roo uh {gap} . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well , I tried once , but that was not allowed . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} So um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but but si uh w w w {gap} {disfmarker} when taken in account the the situation , uh I think we performed pretty well .", "Industrial Designer : I think so too .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Um", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : the means , the SMARTboard , the digital pen . Did you like 'em ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh . The digital pen was okay , but SMARTboard was really bad .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Because of the response", "Industrial Designer : It {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Response", "Industrial Designer : The response is very slow", "User Interface : and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and the possibilities are very limited . It's not accurate .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh it it has {disfmarker} yeah . Yeah , it's not accurate . The p the pointing of the pen is not um the place where it it writes its {disfmarker} um uh where it uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Draws .", "User Interface : Yeah , where it draws . It's uh {disfmarker} the drawing on on the b on the board is {gap} r right from the pen .", "Project Manager : Okay , so", "User Interface : So uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : it it had to be um better aligned , or what's the word ?", "User Interface : You to take in account that your {disfmarker} you m", "Project Manager : Uh yeah .", "User Interface : yeah uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Maybe it's {disfmarker} it needs to be calibrateds .", "User Interface : It's too slow {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It it was calibrated just before this meeting . Uh the one before , the third meeting .", "Industrial Designer : It is ?", "Project Manager : So uh it's not the calibration ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : it's the thing itself , I think .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Uh Ruud , w uh did you use the pen a lot ? Or not at all ?", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : Not at all .", "Marketing : Not really .", "Project Manager : Okay . I thought it was quite a handy uh thing ,", "Industrial Designer : I I think so too .", "Project Manager : although I would like to see um O_C_R_ .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Yes .", "User Interface : If it has O_C_R_ {vocalsound} , uh I think uh I would use , but uh I I just uh took notes for myself and and and that's it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : It w it w yeah . It was necessary for me to uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : To digitise them .", "User Interface : Yeah , because if I want something on the computer , I just type it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I type faster than I write .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But I think it's a great solution for uh for uh a known problem , uh writing down some notes , some some inf uh information , and then um forgetting your notebook somewhere and losing all that information .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Because you have everything in one place and it's quite easy quite easy {disfmarker} it's it's possible to make this information digital and share it with others in a quite easy way .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think it's a good product . I only think it's th the the shape of the pen is too big .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's not quite uh ergonomic . Eco ergonomic .", "User Interface : Economic .", "Project Manager : I know .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . Um {disfmarker} What w Uh Ruud , what did you think about the SMARTboards ?", "Marketing : Oh , I only use it to draw a rabbit ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay , you can't really decide . No .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} can't say much about it .", "Project Manager : I missed a feature to easily select uh a slide and uh distribute it to the laptops . I think that would be very easy if you could say okay , I want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Marketing : No , or the other way around .", "Project Manager : Or the other way around , that you could show {disfmarker} but m", "Industrial Designer : Yes , yes .", "User Interface : But y you can {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's quite what PowerPoint does .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I know .", "User Interface : if you save this image , you can open it in your shared work folder .", "Project Manager : I know , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So it's almost {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I know , but we couldn't use that feature ,", "User Interface : yeah .", "Project Manager : so I missed it .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : We weren't able to do that . At least the {disfmarker} um I wasn't explained how to do such a th", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . {gap} . A and the function of of filling an an uh an oval or an an object .", "Industrial Designer : An object , yes . Yes .", "User Interface : I it's not possible {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The drawing cap capabilities are very limited .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And and uh w you were {disfmarker} when you're using uh Windows , you're used to a certain interface and certain buttons , uh which you can use for drawing .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And a lot of these buttons don't appear here . So it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh it looks like paint actually .", "Project Manager : Okay , so y it {disfmarker} it's not even as advanced as paint .", "Industrial Designer : Not not uh n not {gap} way .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's quite uh limited .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh no . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , the project is evaluated . Um but , well , we need to redesign uh the product .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Oh , very good , celebration .", "Project Manager : Celebrate", "User Interface : Great . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Pop uh pop up the champagne . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound} Um", "User Interface : It was a privilege working with you . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : you're dismissed . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No , I think we are uh ready .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : To private rooms ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I see some action over there .", "Project Manager : Private room , Roo . That sounds quite scary .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : No , let's find uh the way to {gap} . {vocalsound} {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} uh we're done , we're finished , {gap} I believe . So , are there any more cycles in this process ? I think not .", "Project Manager : I don't believe so . Well , maybe we'd {disfmarker} get an email . Thank you for your {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But um how much time did we get for this meeting ?", "Project Manager : Forty minutes .", "Industrial Designer : And how much time is left ?", "Project Manager : A minute or or ten maybe . M", "Industrial Designer : Ten minutes .", "Project Manager : Yeah , ten or five .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : So , we can uh redesign our uh {disfmarker} Uh I would like to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well , I think we we we all know what the redesign should be . A simple , dull , uh one-coloured box .", "Marketing : And no added value . At all .", "Industrial Designer : No , it's it's just the same product that is already on the market .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : But you see the problem ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : y you can't continue your uh your line . Well , it's fluffy alright . {vocalsound} Spongy . A giraffe ? {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : What is that ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It's a giraffe eating a {disfmarker} eating leaves from a tree .", "Project Manager : It's blue tongue .", "Marketing : In interesting design .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} This is a new model . But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So you're actually promoting Bluetooth . Or blue tongue . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Blue tongue . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh uh it it does uh have a natural uh feeling .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's spongy . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} . {vocalsound} That is uh {disfmarker} it's a new feature next to Bluetooth to um disable all Bluetooth devices . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Blue tongue .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Right .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Let's wrap it up .", "Project Manager : Yeah , we're done here .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Gentlemen , thank you for your cooperation .", "Industrial Designer : Thank you Mister manager . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Now , {vocalsound} let's have uh a bottle of champagne .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} . Leave it here .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : That's alright . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : {gap}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 5, "turns": [ 348, 532 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcription part , participant", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Transcripts were to be given to every participant of meeting with the aim of bleeping out sections not desired. Special tools for transcription editing were provided that would help participants to read through transcripts, exclude parts of it and generate an email with the version they accepted. Every participant would have a password, and only participants who were present at the meeting could look at transcripts. Professor E stated the procedure was too elaborated and stressed a paper version of transcripts would be welcome. Grad C answered that emails were a mean to let participants know that the transcripts were ready.", "title": "The Procedure of sharing Transcription Parts with Participants", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 22 ], 27 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcription part , participant", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "to provide the transcripts to every participant of every meeting; an opportunity to bleep out sections; a bunch of tools that will generate web pages, with the transcription in it; they can click on them and pieces and they can scroll through and read them; they can check on each one if they want it excluded; every participant will have a password; only allow the participants who were at that meeting to look at it; have some pieces of paper that had the transcription; as the transcripts become ready; would take, and generate the web pages and send email to every participant or contact them using the contact method they wanted.", "title": "How to Share Transcription Parts with Participants", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 22 ], 27 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "password", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Grad C said that each participant of the meeting would have a single password that would need to be remembered. a password would be needed to have access to web page with transcripts. Professor E expressed annoyance that there were many passwords to be worried about for all the people participating in a meeting. Professor added password wouldn't necessarily have to be distributed. Grad C disagreed and stressed passwords distribution was important and also was not to be taken lightly due to privacy. Passwords couldn't be sent by email, but a person would need to call and ask. Postdoc F added that only a person who asked would get the password. The password would be needed in order to view the entire transcript content and only then the password would be issued, according to Professor E's idea.", "title": "Passwords' Distribution", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 21 ], 27, 48, 159, 164, [ 168, 169 ], 175, 178 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "password", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Every participant would have a password to remember. The way to distribute passwords had to be found. Professor E hoped maybe there was not necessarily a need to distribute passwords at all. Passwords couldn't be just emailed because it was not secure. Passwords could be issued if asked for.", "title": "Discussion about Passwords' Necessity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 21 ], 27, 48, 159, 164, [ 168, 169 ], 175, 178 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "paper", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad E" }, "summary": "Professor E was in favour of a paper version of transcripts and opted for a possible printed version of transcription and another sheet of paper for participants who received the documents and had to sign. Grad C disagreed paper was easier to read from than the screen in opposition to Professor E who expressed that the paper was universal.", "title": "Good Old Paper", "relevant_turns": [ 22, [ 28, 29 ], [ 36, 37 ], [ 88, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "paper", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad E" }, "summary": "Paper was Professor E's favourite and more of a universal option. It would be easy to flip through it. Grad C didn't think paper was easier to read.", "title": "Paper is Universal", "relevant_turns": [ 22, [ 28, 29 ], [ 36, 37 ], [ 88, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bleep", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "An opportunity of bleeping out parts of transcription that participants didn't want to appear in the final version was an important part of the process. Bleeping out a part of the conversation that a participant might consider private had to be done from both sides instead of from one side only. Bleeped-out sentences should not create a problem to the conversation's result. Professor E was worried that people might start bleeping out anything they thought was needed and in the end, would start having fun while bleeping out the content of the conversation with no regard to its importance. Grad C disagreed.", "title": "Bleeping out Function", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 19 ], 67, 71, 134, 142, 144, 183 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "bleep", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Bleep editing was an opportunity that the team was to provide to every participant of a meeting. To be able to bleep out sections they didn't want. Grad C noticed that if someone was having a conversation, and only one side was bleeped out, then it was not sufficient. If a conversation was considered private, being able to bleep out that part was crucial. Professor E noted that in case someone was spoken about during a conversation and could get hurt if others could hear or read about it, then function to bleep out that part of the transcript was a very important option to implement. Professor E hoped that could be a rare incidence though, but expressed concern that making such an option very easy for people could make them bleep out anything just for fun. Grad C disagreed people would arbitrarily start bleeping out the content.", "title": "Bleep Necessity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 19 ], 67, 71, 134, 142, 144, 183 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E" }, "summary": "The team was focused on people participating in the meetings. Grad C and Professor E discussed broadly many aspects of people's participation in transcription edits, as well as people's access to those transcripts via web pages created especially to make people's needs met in this aspect. Tool developed for web pages were thought of as people's comfort while editing and people's privacy was considered while discussing password creation for each participant of every meeting. Professor E was strongly in favour of people's comfort by opting for a printable version of transcripts, insisting, that it was a very universal way of going through many pages that had to be read and bleeped. The most convenient option of reading and access to transcripts had to be delivered to people. People needed an easy tool. Grad C insisted most people would just sit at the computer and read instead of taking printed transcripts on a train ride.", "title": "Best Options for People", "relevant_turns": [ 22, 27, 29, [ 42, 44 ], 48, 58, 61, 65, 71, [ 74, 76 ], 79, 117, 126, 133, 142, 183 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E" }, "summary": "some web interface; there is a subset of people who will want printouts that we can certainly provide; the largest set of people is gonna go; there'll be a subset of people, right? if it's a document; worry about all these passwords; people going to be allowed to bleep out sections; other people are editing what you say; they were able to edit out other people then just say \"don't distribute it at all\"; in terms of like editing it by hand; it's some people would find that easier to specify; printable version if people want; a mixture of people; make this as convenient as possible for people; people are talking about technical topics; so easy for people to do; people are going to arbitrarily start bleeping", "title": "People in the Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ 22, 27, 29, [ 42, 44 ], 48, 58, 61, 65, 71, [ 74, 76 ], 79, 117, 126, 133, 142, 183 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bleep", "speaker": "Postdoc F , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B asked if bleeping function was to be available for meeting participants, and if people would be allowed to bleep out the section in which they were participating. Postdoc F confirmed possibility of editing consent that participants found offensive, even though not spoken by them. Specifying the bleep part might be easier with the file in hand. PhD B said too much would be bleeped.", "title": "Postdoc F Discussing Bleeping with PhD B", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 61, 64, 72, 74, 137, 143 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "bleep", "speaker": "Postdoc F , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B asked if people who didn't participate could bleep out the sections where they weren't speaking, and said to not be sure if that was good. Postdoc F considered it easier to edit and specify the bleep parts of transcript for some people if they had an actual document. PhD B asked if people could bleep within an utterance.", "title": "Possibility of Bleeping out without having spoken", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 61, 64, 72, 74, 137, 143 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "email", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C said participants could send email with parts of transcripts they wanted excluded. Email would also be one of means to let participants know that the transcripts were ready. Grad C thought email was most preferred way of receiving such an information than other options such as texts. Email approval would substitute participants' signature. Although, passwords couldn't be sent through emails due to privacy reasons. Emails were easy to insert as they were formatted.", "title": "Email's Function", "relevant_turns": [ 19, 27, 49, 57, 149, 168 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "email", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Participants could send emails with parts they wanted to be excluded. Transcripts would be sent by emails. It was the method participants preferred. Email approval was sufficient and would make for signature. Privacy issues could be an obstacle for emails containing the full text.", "title": "Email's Role in Communication", "relevant_turns": [ 19, 27, 49, 57, 149, 168 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "privacy", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C suggested considering privacy issues that might occur and suggested a password to protect it. Professor E was worried about privacy. Grad C considered sending text through email as a part of privacy problems. Professor E insisted on solving privacy issues by giving access to transcription text only if a participant really needed it. Grad C agreed and said texts couldn't be simply available on the web due to privacy.", "title": "Solving Privacy Issues", "relevant_turns": [ 19, 46, 98, 154, 171 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "privacy", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Privacy issue was to be solved with a password available for every participant. Professor E said it was high time to start worrying about privacy. Grad C understood that text couldn't be sent through email because of the privacy issue. Professor E thought that the issue of privacy and ease and so forth should be that participants got access to the content if they really needed it. Grad C noted passwords were needed due to privacy because text couldn't be made openly available on the web.", "title": "Getting away with Privacy Issues", "relevant_turns": [ 19, 46, 98, 154, 171 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "web", "speaker": "Grad C , PhD B , Professor E" }, "summary": "Tools generating web pages for transcriptions readers were created to help participants in efficient communication by means of HTML form. The possibility to listen to the transcription parts was available on the web. The web was built as a means to substitute texting every and every participant. Instead, emails would be sent with the right web page attached. Grad C agreed receiving transcript info was easier by the web than in print because it allowed one to look and get the exact information one wanted at the moment. Professor E noticed that visiting web site was easy but reading a hundred pages on it was not and admitted to having ended printing the documents out from the web. People were sitting at the computer and reading on the web or were printing the pages, according to Professor E. Grad C thought everyone at the meeting could access the web and a possibility to print from the web was given. PhD A asked for the possibility to add a button on the web saying: send me the scripts. Grad C noticed that the web page was made out of convenience for participants. Web interface access was discussed.", "title": "Pros and Cons of Web Pages for Transcripts", "relevant_turns": [ 19, [ 25, 27 ], [ 33, 36 ], 46, 54, 76, 91, 104, [ 116, 120 ], 128, [ 149, 150 ], 159, 171, 179 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "web", "speaker": "Grad C , PhD B , Professor E" }, "summary": "tools that will generate web pages; with the transcription in it; listen to it over the web; just wanted some web interface so that people you didn't actually have to send everyone the text; generate the web pages and send email to every participant or contact them using the contact method they wanted; tell them, \" here 's the web page\"; easier to do it on the web; Going to a web site is easy, flipping through hundred pages of stuff is not easy on the web; long document; always ended up printing it out; don't have to visit the web page if you don't want to; some people are do their work, flipping around the web; everyone in the meeting can access the web; \"if you wanna print it out here it is\"; put the button; on the web page which say \"please send me the scripts\"; that's why I did the web form, that would be my most convenient; you don't give them access to the web interface unless they really need it; they visit the web site if they want to", "title": "Discussion about Web Access", "relevant_turns": [ 19, [ 25, 27 ], [ 33, 36 ], 46, 54, 76, 91, 104, [ 116, 120 ], 128, [ 149, 150 ], 159, 171, 179 ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : Oh I just uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Mmm , I just use um our loudness - based things now as they {disfmarker} before there were {disfmarker} they were some in {disfmarker} in the log domain and I {disfmarker} I changed this to the {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Cu - Cube root ?", "PhD A : Yeah . To {disfmarker} No , I changed this to the {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} to the loudness thingy with the {disfmarker} with the", "Grad C : Hmm .", "Professor E : Ah .", "PhD A : how do you call it ? I 'm not sure . With the , uh {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Fletcher Munson ? No .", "PhD A : I 'm not sure about the term .", "Professor E : Oh , OK .", "PhD A : Uh , I 'll look it up . And say it to you .", "Professor E : Yeah , alright .", "PhD A : Uh , OK , and {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's basically the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the thing . Yeah , and I {disfmarker} and I tried t to normalize uh {disfmarker} uh the features , there 's loudness and modified loudness , um , within one channel ,", "Professor E : OK .", "PhD A : because they 're , {vocalsound} yeah to {disfmarker} to be able to distinguish between foreground and background speech . And it works quite well . But , not always .", "Professor E : Uh - huh . Uh - huh .", "PhD A : So .", "Professor E : OK .", "Grad C : Good .", "Professor E : Um , let 's see . I think the uh {disfmarker} Were {disfmarker} were you basically done with the transcription part ? So I guess the next thing is this uh {disfmarker} bleep editing .", "Grad C : Right . So the {disfmarker} The idea is that we need to have {disfmarker} We need to provide the transcripts to every participant of every meeting to give them an opportunity to bleep out sections they don't want . So I 've written a bunch of tools that will generate web pages , uh with the transcription in it so that they can click on them and piece {disfmarker} pieces and they can scroll through and read them , and then they can check on each one if they want it excluded . And then , it 's a form , HTML form , so they can submit it and it will end up sending me email with the times that they want excluded . And so , uh , some of the questions on this is what do we do about the privacy issue . And so I thought about this a little bit and I think the best way to do it is every participant will have a password ,", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : a single password . Each person will have a single password , user name and password . And then each meeting , we 'll only allow the participants who were at that meeting to look at it . And that way each person only has to remember one password .", "Professor E : I {disfmarker} I can't help but wonder if this is maybe a little more elaborate than is needed . I mean if people have {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , for me I would actually want to have some pieces of paper that had the transcription and I would sort of flip through it . And then {pause} um {pause} if I thought it was OK , I 'd say \" it 's OK \" .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : And , I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} I mean it depends how this really ends up working out , but I guess my thought was that the occasion of somebody wondering whether something was OK or not and needing to listen to it was gonna be extremely rare .", "Grad C : Right , I mean so th th th the fact that you could listen to it over the web is a minor thing that I had already done for {pause} other reasons .", "Professor E : OK .", "Grad C : And so that {disfmarker} that 's a minor part of it , I just wanted some web interface so that people {disfmarker} you didn't actually have to send everyone the text . So m what my intention to do is that as the transcripts become ready , um {pause} I would take them , and generate the web pages and send email to every participant or contact them using the contact method they wanted , and just uh , tell them , \" here 's the web page \" , um , \" you need a password \" . So th th question number one is how do we distribute the passwords , and question number two is how else do we wanna provide this information if they want it .", "Professor E : That 's {disfmarker} I think what I was sort of saying is that if you just say {vocalsound} \" here is a {disfmarker} here is {disfmarker} \" I mean this maybe it sounds paleolithic but {disfmarker} but I just thought if you handed them some sheets of paper , that said , uh , \" here 's what was said in this transcription is it OK with you ? and if it is , here 's this other sheet of paper that you sign that says that it 's OK \" .", "Grad C : I think that um there are a subset of people who will want printouts that we can certainly provide .", "Professor E : And then they 'd hand it back to you .", "Grad C : But certainly I wouldn't want a printout . These are big , and I would much rather be {pause} ha be able to just sit and leaf through it .", "Professor E : You find it easier to go through a large {disfmarker} I mean how do you read books ?", "Grad C : Well I certainly read books by hand . But for something like this , I think it 's easier to do it on the web .", "Professor E : Really ? I mean , it {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Cuz you 're gonna get , you know , if I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm in a bunch of meetings and I don't wanna get a stack of these . I wanna just be able to go to {disfmarker} go to the web site {comment} and visit it as I want .", "Professor E : Going to a web site is easy , but flipping through a hundred pounds {disfmarker} a hundred pages of stuff is not easy on the web .", "Grad C : Well , I don't think it 's that much harder than , paper . So .", "Professor E : Really ?", "Postdoc F : I have one question . So are you thinking that um the person would have a transcript and go strictly from the transcript ? Because I {disfmarker} I do think that there 's a benefit to being able to hear the tone of voice and the {disfmarker}", "Professor E : So here 's the way I was imagining it , and maybe I 'm wrong ,", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Professor E : but the way I imagined it was that um , the largest set of people is gonna go \" oh yeah , I didn't say anything funny in that meeting just go ahead , where 's the {disfmarker} where 's the release ? \" And then there 'll be a subset of people , right ? {disfmarker} OK there 's {disfmarker} I mean think of who it is we 've been recording mostly .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : OK there 'll be a subset of people , who um , will say uh \" well , yeah , I really would like to see that . \" And for them , the easiest way to flip through , if it 's a really large document , I mean unless you 're searching . Searching , of course , should be electronic , but if you 're not {disfmarker} so if you provide some search mechanism you go to every place they said something or something like that ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : but see then we 're getting more elaborate with this thing . Um if {disfmarker} if uh you don't have search mechanisms you just sort of have this really , really long document , I mean whenever I 've had a really , really long document that it was sitting on the web , I 've always ended up printing it out . I mean , so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I mean , you {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're not necessarily gonna be sitting at the desk all the time , you wanna figure you have a train ride , and there 's all these situations where {disfmarker} where I {disfmarker} I mean , this is how I was imagining it , anyway . And then I figured , that out of that group , there would be a subset who would go \" hmm you know I 'm really not sure about this section here , \" and then that group would need it {disfmarker} S It seems like i if I 'm right in that , it seems like you 're setting it up for the most infrequent case , rather than for the most frequent case . So that uh , now we have to worry about privacy ,", "Grad C : Well , no fre for the most {disfmarker}", "Professor E : we have to worry about all these passwords , for different people", "Grad C : For the most frequent case they just say {pause} \" it 's OK \" and then they 're done . And I think {pause} almost everyone would rather do that by email than any other method .", "Professor E : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : The other thing too is it seems like {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Um , yeah , that 's true .", "Postdoc F : Go ahead .", "Grad C : I mean , cuz you don't have to visit the web page if you don't want to .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : I guess {disfmarker} Yeah , I guess we don't need their signature . I guess an email OK is alright .", "Grad C : Oh that was another thing I {disfmarker} I had assumed that we didn't need their signature , that it {disfmarker} that an email approval was sufficient . But {pause} I don't actually know .", "PhD B : Are {disfmarker} are people going to be allowed to bleep out sections of a meeting where they weren't speaking ?", "Grad C : Yes . If someone feels strongly enough about it , then I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think they should be allowed to do that .", "Postdoc F : I also {disfmarker} mm - hmm .", "PhD B : So that means other people are editing what you say ?", "Professor E : Uh {pause} I don't know about that .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "PhD B : I don't know if I like that .", "Grad C : Well , the only other choice is that the person would say \" no , don't distribute this meeting at all \" , and I would rather they were able to edit out other people then just say \" don't distribute it at all \" .", "Professor E : But th what they signed in the consent form , was something that said you can use my voice .", "Grad C : Well , but if {disfmarker} if someone is having a conversation , and you only bleep out one side of it , that 's not sufficient .", "Professor E : Right ? Yeah . Yeah , but that 's our decision then . Right ?", "Grad C : Um , I don't think so . I mean , because if I object to the conversation .", "Professor E : I think it is .", "Grad C : If I say \" we were having a conversation , and I consider that conversation private , \" and I consider that your side of it is enough for other people to infer , I wanna be able to bleep out your side .", "Postdoc F : The {disfmarker} I agree that the consent forms were {disfmarker} uh , I cons agree with what Adam 's saying , that {vocalsound} um , the consent form did leave open this possibility that they could edit things which they found offensive whe whether they said them or didn't say them .", "Professor E : I see . OK , well , if that 's what it said .", "Postdoc F : And the other thing is from the standpoint of the l of the l I 'm not a law lawyer , but it strikes me that {vocalsound} uh , we wouldn't want someone to say \" oh yes , I was a little concerned about it but {vocalsound} it was too hard to access \" . So I think it 's kind of nice to have this facility to listen to it . Now {disfmarker} in terms of like editing it by hand , I mean I think it 's {disfmarker} i some people would find that easier to specify the bleep part by having a document they edited . But {disfmarker} but it seems to me that sometimes um , you know i if a person had a bad day , and they had a tone in their voice that they didn't really like , you know it 's nice {disfmarker} it 's nice to be able to listen to it and be sure that that was OK .", "Grad C : I mean I can certainly provide a printable version if people want it . Um .", "Professor E : Um {pause} I mean it 's also a mixture of people , I mean some people are r do their work primarily by sitting at the computer , flipping around the web , and others do not .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor E : Others would consider it {disfmarker} this uh {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a set of skills that they would have to gain . You know ?", "Grad C : Well I think most of the people in the meetings are the former .", "Professor E : It depends on what meetings .", "Postdoc F : That 's true .", "PhD B : So far .", "Grad C : So .", "Professor E : In the meetings so far , yeah .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor E : But we 're trying to expand this , right ?", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : So I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I actually think that paper is the more universal thing .", "Grad C : And that {disfmarker} Well , but if they want to print it out that 's alright .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Grad C : I think everyone in the meeting can access the web .", "Professor E : No , I think we have to be able to print it out . It 's not just if they want to print it out . I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker}", "Grad C : OK , so does that mean that I can't use email ? Or what ?", "Postdoc F : Cuz you could send it through email you 're thinking .", "Professor E : I {disfmarker} I th", "Grad C : Well , I don't think I {disfmarker}", "Professor E : well {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} there was this {disfmarker}", "Grad C : well I don't think we can send the text through email because of the privacy issues .", "Professor E : No .", "Postdoc F : Good . For security ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah , OK good .", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad C : Um . So giving them , you think a web site to say , \" if you wanna print it out here it is \" , is not sufficient ?", "Postdoc F : Good point .", "PhD A : Yeah . I", "Professor E : Certainly for everybody who 's been in the meetings so far it would be sufficient .", "Grad C : Yeah , I 'm just thinking for people that that 's not sufficient for , what {disfmarker} the only sufficient thing would be for me to walk up to them and hand it to them .", "Professor E : I 'm just wondering about {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : You could mail it to them .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Get an a mailing address .", "Grad C : Equivalent .", "PhD A : But {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : But I think it 's easier to drop in the box .", "PhD A : Just put the button on {disfmarker} on the web page which say \" please send me the {disfmarker} the scripts \" .", "Grad C : That 's right .", "Postdoc F : Oh that 's interesting .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD B : What um {disfmarker} When you display it on the web page , what are {disfmarker} what are you showing them ? Utterances , or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : And so can they bleep within an utterance ?", "Grad C : No . Whole utterances only .", "PhD B : Whole utterances .", "Grad C : And that was just convenience for my sake , that it 's uh , uh it would end up being fairly difficult to edit the transcripts if we would do it at the sub - utterance level . Because this way I can just delete an entire line out of a transcript file rather than have to do it by hand .", "Professor E : There 's another aspect to this which maybe {disfmarker} is part of why this is bothering me . Um , I think you 're really trying very hard to make this as convenient as possible for people to do this .", "PhD B : Mmm .", "Grad C : I mean that 's why I did the web form , because for me that would be my most convenient .", "Professor E : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I understand .", "PhD B : I know where you 're going .", "Professor E : I think that 's the bad idea .", "Grad C : Oh .", "Professor E : See because you 're gon you 're {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} Really . You 're gonna end up with all these little patchy things , whereas really what we want to do is have the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the bias towards letting it go . Because nob you know it {disfmarker} There was a {disfmarker} one or twi once or twice , in the re in the meetings we 've heard , where somebody said something that they might be embarrassed by , but overall people are talking about technical topics . Nobody 's gonna get hurt . Nobody 's being l libeled . You know , this is {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're covering {disfmarker} We 're playing the lawyer 's game , and we 're playing we 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're looking for the extreme case . If we really orient it towards that extreme case , make it really easy , we 're gonna end up encouraging a headache . That {disfmarker} I think that 's {disfmarker} I 'm sort of psyching myself out here , I {disfmarker} I 'm trying to {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : I guess I don't see having a few phrases here and there in a meeting being that mu much of a headache , bleeped out .", "Professor E : but I {disfmarker} I think that 's {disfmarker} Well , it 's {disfmarker}", "Grad C : So .", "PhD B : I think what Morgan 's saying is the easier it is , the more is gonna be bleeped .", "Professor E : but i And {disfmarker} and it really depends on what kind of research you 're doing . I think some researchers who are gonna be working with this corpus years from now are really gonna be cursing the fact that there 's a bunch of stuff in there {comment} that 's missing from the dialogue .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : You know , it depends on the kind of research they 're doing ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : but it might be , uh {pause} it might be really a {disfmarker} a pain . And , you know where it 's really gonna hurt somebody , in some way {disfmarker} the one who said it or someone who is being spoken about , {comment} we definitely want to allow the option of it being bleeped out . But I really think we wanna make it the rare incidence . And {disfmarker} and uh , I am just a little worried about making it so easy for people to do , and so much fun ! {vocalsound} that they 're gonna go through and bleep out stuff .", "Postdoc F : So much fun .", "Professor E : and they can bleep out stuff they don't like too , right from somebody else , as you say , you know , so \" well I didn't like what he said . \"", "Grad C : Well I don't see any way of avoiding that . I mean , we have to provi we have promised that we would provide them the transcript and that they can remove parts that they don't like . So that the {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah . No , no , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker}", "Grad C : The only question is {disfmarker}", "Professor E : You - you 've talked me into that , but I {disfmarker} I just think that we should make it harder to do .", "Grad C : The problem is if it 's harder for them it 's also harder for me . Whereas this web interface , I just get email , it 's all formatted , it 's all ready to go and I can just insert it .", "Professor E : So maybe you don't give them access to the web interface unless they really need it . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so", "Postdoc F : Well I guess {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor E : I 'm sorry {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} So maybe this is a s a way out of it .", "Postdoc F : Hmm .", "Professor E : You 've provided something that 's useful for you to do {disfmarker} handle , and useful for someone else if they need it . But I think the issue of privacy and ease and so forth should be that uh , they get access to this if they really need it .", "Grad C : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD B : So you 're saying the {disfmarker} the sequence would be more like first Adam goes to the contact lists , contacts them via whatever their preferred method is , to see if they want to review the meeting .", "Professor E : Right .", "PhD B : And then if they don't , you 're done . If they do , then he provides them access to the {disfmarker} the web site .", "Grad C : Well , to some extent I have to do that anyway because as I said we have to distribute passwords .", "Professor E : W w", "PhD B : Or {disfmarker} a printed - out form .", "Professor E : There 's {disfmarker} there {disfmarker}", "Grad C : So ,", "Professor E : y but you don't necessarily have to distribute passwords is what I 'm saying .", "Grad C : Well , but {disfmarker}", "Professor E : So {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Only if they want it .", "Grad C : what I 'm saying is that I can't just email them the password because that 's not secure . So they have to call me and ask .", "Professor E : No , no , no . But you aren't necessarily giving them {disfmarker} Right . But {disfmarker} we don't even necessarily need to end up distributing passwords at all .", "PhD A :", "Grad C : Well , we do because of privacy . We can't just make it openly available on the web .", "Professor E : No , no . You 're missing the point .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : We 're {disfmarker} We 're trying i We 're trying to make it less of an obvious just l l l l uh fall off a log , to do this .", "Postdoc F : Not everyone gets a password , unless they ask for it .", "Professor E : Right ? So th so what I would see , is that first you contact them and ask them if they would like to review it for to check for the {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Professor E : not just for fun , OK ? but to {disfmarker} to check this for uh things that they 're worried about having said or if they 're willing to just send an approval of it , at {disfmarker} from their memory . Um {disfmarker} and , uh , and we should think carefully actually we should review {disfmarker} go through how that 's worded , OK ? Then , if someone uh {disfmarker} wants to review it , uh , and I know you don't like this , but I 'm offering this as a suggestion , is that {disfmarker} is that we then give them a print out . And then if they say that \" I have a potential problem with these things , \" then , you {disfmarker} you say \" OK well you might wanna hear this in context to s think if you need that , \" you issue them a password , i in the {disfmarker}", "Grad C : But the {disfmarker} the problem with what you 're suggesting is it 's not just inconvenient for them , it 's inconvenient for me . Because that means multiple contacts every time {disfmarker} for every single meeting every time anyone wants anything . I would much prefer to have all be automatic , they visit the web site if they want to . Obviously they don't have to .", "Professor E : I know you 'd prefer it , but the proble", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : we have {disfmarker}", "Grad C : So I think you 're thinking people are going to arbitrarily start bleeping and I just don't think that 's gonna happen .", "Professor E : there 's a problem with it ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 39, "turns": [ 11, 170 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentations , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The minutes were put on project share for reference and the meeting was going to receive presentations from participants and new project requirements.", "title": "Display of the Former Information", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentations , ideas , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager placed the minutes on the project share so that they could e accessed as the need arose. the meeting would also take three presentations from the participants and present the new project requirements and share some thoughts.", "title": "Display of the Former Information", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "market feedback , common remote controls", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Most of the market felt remote controls were ugly and they would prefer controls could certain more user-friendly functional features. The market survey also showed the most relevant buttons.", "title": "Feedback from the Market", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "market feedback , common remote controls", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said seventy-five percent of the market found remote controls ugly, the market found the power, channel selection, and volume buttons most relevant, the Teletext button less important, and the audio and display setting buttons unimportant.", "title": "Feedback from the Market", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Industrial Designer ; Marketing ; User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial designer expressed the difficulty in building all the features described by Marketing and User Interface into the remote control considering the size of the remote, the number, and functionality of the buttons.", "title": "Feasibility of the New Preferences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 147 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "The preferences described by Marketing and User Interface would be difficult to build into the remote control.", "title": "Feasibility of the New Preferences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 147 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "relevant buttons , channel selection", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing mentioned the buttons that were most relevant, less important, and not important to the people from a survey that was carried out, saying the unimportant buttons could be hidden in the menu or something.", "title": "Relevant Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "relevant buttons , channel selection", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "The power, volume, and channel selection buttons were most relevant while the teletext button was less important, the audio and display settings were unimportant.", "title": "Relevant Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "personal preference , beep", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing expressed the people\u2019s new preferences and marketing\u2019s personal preferences for the functional features of the product mostly describing the ease of finding the remote control, ease of use for the user, and marketability of the remote control.", "title": "Details of Expected Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 84 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "personal preference , beep", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "According to Marketing, new preferences were beep to find your control, special voice recognition, LCD screen. Marketing\u2019s personal preference was a favorite channel button.", "title": "Details of Expected Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 84 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "symbols , buttons", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface highlighted the pain in having faded symbols on remote control, expressing a preference for fade-proof buttons. Marketing also cautioned about the number and size of the buttons on the remote control.", "title": "Quality of Symbol Markings and Size of Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 119 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "symbols , buttons", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing mentioned that there was nothing more annoying than faded symbols because one doesn\u2019t know which button represents which function also that attention should be paid to not having too many buttons but making the buttons bigger.", "title": "Quality of Symbol Markings and Size of Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 119 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Today , functional design phase . I'll take you over the minutes of last last meeting . Okay , that was just to get to know each other ,", "Marketing : Uh .", "Project Manager : have a little thoughts on what your vision is and {disfmarker} on this project , so {disfmarker} I put the minutes on the {disfmarker} I made on the on the p the the project share , so if you wanna review them , they're there . I will do so after every meeting , so if you have some information you wanna take back you can find it there . Anyways , um today three presentations , from every one of you . Um after that I got some new project requirements from project board , so we're gonna go af go after {disfmarker} over this later . But I wanna start with uh stuff you did first , so we can see what everybody came up with . And after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts , so . Who would like {disfmarker} wanna go first ?", "Marketing : Yeah , sure , no problem .", "Project Manager : Take it .", "User Interface : Go ahead .", "Marketing : Um there was a little problem with my computer so not uh the whole uh presentation uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Anyway , let's see what you have .", "Marketing : Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Okay ,", "Project Manager : Uh it's still a bit open .", "Marketing : I want to open the my s oh no .", "Project Manager : You should close it on your own notebook , I guess . Yeah . So there ?", "Marketing : Oh no ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : that's okay . Uh slide show . Yes . The functional requirements , it's uh {vocalsound} uh very important for uh the user , he he wants to {disfmarker} yeah . The the method we used uh it it's not m not a slide , because it went wrong , but the method we use uh , um {vocalsound} we tested it w uh with uh a hundred uh men , and we asked them to w uh what the remote uh f feel uh like and uh what what's uh important . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : If I can cut in , is it people or men ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : People ,", "Project Manager : Is it people , okay .", "Marketing : sorry .", "Project Manager : 'Cause I thought it was only men ,", "Marketing : Both women and men ,", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : yeah .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Okay . Uh the findings um uh {vocalsound} seventy five percent of the users find most remote controls ugly . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That's pretty shocking uh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So we have to s we have to do something about that .", "Marketing : Yeah , and {disfmarker} yeah , most th th they want to spend money for a better system , for better remote control , so we can do uh a l a little uh nice things with it , and um they use {disfmarker} yeah , they use zap a lot , um uh fifty percent say they only {disfmarker} So that's the most important things .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker} oh yeah , not all of it is it on mine on my PowerPoint presentation ,", "Project Manager : Okay , just talk ahead .", "Marketing : but um uh the relevant buttons are the power , the channel selection and the volume selection .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : It's uh the most basic buttons that a user wants uh {vocalsound} to use . Uh less important is tel teletext ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : uh um they use it , but it's not uh very uh important uh on the scale of zero to ten they six and a half uh", "Project Manager : Okay , that's okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and {disfmarker} but not important is the channel selection , the the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} hmm ?", "Project Manager : That's a little weird .", "Marketing : Oh , {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Which channel selection ?", "Marketing : the the {disfmarker} no no no no no , that's very important , but uh w and not important in the audio settings , display settings", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "Marketing : and uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : we can we can hide those under a menu or something ,", "User Interface : Oh , okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um new preferences preferences . Uh um um beep to find your control , was {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That's like a button on your T_V_ ?", "Marketing : that was {gap} in the test , the the most people uh f find it uh irritating uh when they cannot find a rem their remote control ,", "Project Manager : Remote , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : so uh I think it's a bee beep to sound it and uh you can find it . And another thing uh they want was uh speech recognition um so they can say uh what they want to {disfmarker} let's go to channel one and uh that's uh kind of things .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And they want maybe an uh L_C_D_ screen um to to look it um wh what's on every channel uh and uh what do I want with it ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : We wanna have a little preview on the remote control . Preview what's on the channel .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Is that manageable ? 'Cause it sounds pretty expensive too .", "Project Manager : That sounds too {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's possible , but uh I think it's expensive , but do continue .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Uh my personal preferences is uh a button for my favourite channel , so I can uh I dunno , so I can zap to my uh f uh quick uh to my favourite channel wh what I uh {disfmarker} so , the remote mu must see or um must um {vocalsound} see wha what mine preferences are for which channel ,", "Project Manager : Okay , you don't set it yourself ,", "Marketing : so I can zap t to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : it just remembers the channel that you are on most , for example .", "Marketing : What ?", "Project Manager : You want the {disfmarker} you want it to be programmed , for example y programmed f", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : or you want it to recognise your favourite channel ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Let's see , you you spend twenty minutes each day on that channel ,", "Marketing : Recognise {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so it recognises your favourite channel .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah , that's uh what my personal preference like .", "Project Manager : Okay , so it's it it does {disfmarker} it recognise itself , you don't have to set it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : itself . Maybe it's easier to {vocalsound} to sell it , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : I don't know it's manageable , but we will uh we will see .", "Project Manager : I see .", "Marketing : Yeah , it's a little bit uh it's the end of it .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : It's a little bit uh I lost it ,", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : the computer uh crashed ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No problem , it's it's okay ,", "Marketing : so .", "Project Manager : that's {disfmarker} Yeah , go ahead .", "User Interface : Shall I go ? Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : So , some technical functions .", "Marketing : Darn computer .", "User Interface : Basically I have some issues which you discussed earlier . Uh let's just start with the method .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} It sounds really easy , what does the user do , what does the th remote control do , but there are quite some issues . So the things I'm going to concentrate on are the user aspect , because the technical aspect , that's pretty much covered . We can do that . What goes wrong {vocalsound} at the user . Gets the remote control . Where is the remote control ? We've all had it once , I want to watch some television ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : where's the remote control ? That was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : That seems very good .", "User Interface : a really good idea . Uh these are just the issues . I come to some uh personal experience , findings , possible solutions later . Searches for the button . There are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear . Uh so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Uh also symbols tend to fade after a while .", "Marketing : Mm uh .", "User Interface : There's nothing more annoying than faded symbols , because you don't know which channel is this button , so possibly we could find uh something for that ,", "Project Manager : Okay , so have it more {disfmarker} make it more durable actually . Okay .", "User Interface : yes . Uh covered that . Oh yes , user presses the button . Um usually when you have a lot of buttons , buttons are small . So you press more once remote control goes kablouey or something like that ,", "Project Manager : Okay , so the buttons should be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : so we have to pay attention not to put too mun too many buttons on uh the remote control . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "User Interface : And possibly also the size , so more important buttons , bigger", "Project Manager : Wow . The s Yeah . Make it {disfmarker} make them bigger .", "User Interface : si", "Project Manager : Even more durable uh .", "User Interface : So this is basically what I h had in mind in the {disfmarker} fade-proof symbols , locator , a sound , uh so clear we should stick to existing symbols , but maybe we could do a little uh investigation to see whether some symbols are uh {disfmarker} need to be replaced by others . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : This I pretty much covered . {vocalsound} So what we want to go to is not this one ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's true .", "User Interface : but more {disfmarker} less buttons , easy , some bigger buttons .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : that's basically uh what I had in mind . So", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's clear .", "User Interface : This is not the final design ,", "Project Manager : No , of course uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : this is just a general idea of how I'd like to see uh basically the general idea .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I must say that it {disfmarker} Hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So that was it .", "Project Manager : That was it . Okay , that was good . So we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere and increase it {disfmarker} the durability of of the thing ,", "User Interface : Yeah , I think it's a really good idea .", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : The other aspects , we'll just see how {disfmarker} what you came up with and what's possible for that budget .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , that's fine . Um . Okay , now work a little with me . Okay . Well ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : let's start it as it is . Okay , uh the method . There are a few questions that need to be answered , uh you already uh talked about it a little bit . Which buttons are wanted , uh is our remote control universal or should it be programmable . Uh if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need um something like a mode that you can switch it . Because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And uh how big is the remote control uh going to be ? I'll tell you why that's important to me . Um there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control , so uh uh that's {vocalsound} why I also would like to say uh go a little bit easy on the designs , uh I heard ab uh you talking about beeps and about uh video screens , but uh the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So keep in mind that everything that you keep uh {disfmarker} think of , it has to b to be built .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} Of course , hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So it's {disfmarker} that's not as easy as it s might look like .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh material study , I'm working on that um for the the costs . I have to check out how far I can go with that . Normally , a circuit board is made of fibreglass uh and the wires are made of copper . Uh that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way , I think we can just go on with that . Um then I've read more integration of materials means less cost for the production . The more we can make uh at once uh in one piece , uh that is cheaper .", "Project Manager : You mean integrate them all into the circuit board . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly , so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it , then that's cheaper .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , okay .", "Industrial Designer : So we have to {vocalsound} make something that's not too difficult in design again .", "Project Manager : So you have {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : This is what look like uh looks like if you press one button , so this is not the entire thing . You have the the power coming in , then you have like a switch . The switch uh uh {vocalsound} uh if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor , that thinks over a Morse code , that's how you should see it . The Morse code goes to the amplifier , then uh the signal is sent to two uh light bulbs . You have infrared and an interv um {vocalsound} uh how to say it ? Uh a light in indication , light that you know that it's functioning .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh here again , that's my story about the different modes , if you do want to make remote uh universal , then the processor has to uh make up a different Morse code when some button is pressed . That makes it much more complex , so we really need to have a look , do we want that or not . Uh I don't have any personal p uh preferences uh so far , except for uh the materials to be used uh light , that they are light .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay . That was it ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That was it ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 2, "turns": [ 0, 47 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that users of the control would need to learn how to use the speech recognition features. Project Manager said that it might take a program button to activate speech recognition or train it, that even the button could be pressed for a few seconds to turn it on or off with a little beep.", "title": "Voice Recognition Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 11 ], [ 38, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "voice recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that this device would have a learning curve, because the users would need to learn how to use voice recognition functions. Project Manager asked if they could see scroll bar and voice recognition as shortcuts, because maybe you would need a program button to activate the voice recognition or to train it. User Interface added the idea of having another button for disabling the voice recognition, so Project Manager thought about being able to press this button for two or three seconds to disable it with a little beep.", "title": "Voice Recognition Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 11 ], [ 38, 46 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : That's the same as uh on the top of it uh with the the round uh button .", "Industrial Designer : Like this one .", "User Interface : But uh we don't uh we don't uh {disfmarker} we do think it's um well {disfmarker} what if with ease of use , w which prefers the {disfmarker} which the the customer of the user prefers .", "Industrial Designer : It's important . Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve . Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control . And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions , and then they will not use this dial as often . But other users who are new to this device need something like that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : They n they need to understand what {disfmarker} uh how to change channels and uh change the volume , so it's easier for them", "Project Manager : Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut ? A a and the voice recognition as well ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , maybe so . Yes , it's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : th maybe you could uh could uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , it's it's it's another approach , it's more that our um {gap} . {vocalsound} There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's it's quite easy .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay , good . And and the case is is rubber ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes , rubber ?", "Project Manager : And the buttons ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Plastic or rubber .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} There are plastic or rubber .", "User Interface : Well ,", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "User Interface : yeah .", "Project Manager : and uh the colouring ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh yellow with uh", "Project Manager : {gap} with with grey or black .", "Industrial Designer : grey or black or something like that . Whatever cost uh cost uh the least . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : we'll we'll come to that later . Um", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay . Anything else to add or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No . {vocalsound} Uh maybe we should uh think about these buttons .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} But {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well , you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button ,", "Industrial Designer : Yes , but it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : 'cause you have to assign two channel {disfmarker} new channels .", "Industrial Designer : but these are tasks that are only executed once , I think .", "Project Manager : M uh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Or not ?", "Project Manager : M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition , or train the voice voice recognition .", "Marketing : You {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well okay . Okay , yeah , that's right . Or something li like that .", "User Interface : And a button for disabling the voice recognition .", "Project Manager : Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two , three seconds , you could also say it {disfmarker} you'd disable it with a little beep and and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : but o okay , that that's not really really important .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} That's the basic idea , yeah . Of our prototype .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 75, "turns": [ 215, 222 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "findings , marketing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that small and simple was beautiful for the remote control. Besides, eye-catching was also important. So, in order to get to the market, Marketing said their remote had to look really great and had to come out before the others. Also, they should develop one or two features that they could really dwell on in their ad campaign. In the research, Marketing found out that fruit and vegetable shapes were really popular this year.", "title": "Findings for Marketing", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "findings , marketing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing found that small was beautiful because people like something that really fit in their hand. Also, simple was beautiful as people didn't want to have to squint at the small print, but hoped the functional buttons were obvious and as few buttons as possible and added that people didn't care for the mode thing. Besides, Marketing said that the remote should look cute and gotta look appealing because eye-catching was important. To avoid the consumer getting confused, Marketing suggested that they should develop one or two features that they could really dwell on in their ad campaign. Marketing also added that fruit and vegetable shapes were popular this year and people were tired of hard plastic and hard metal, they were more back into the soft feel, spongy feeling things.", "title": "Findings for Marketing", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay . Go right to my first {disfmarker} my next slide .", "Project Manager : Uh okay .", "Marketing : Um alright , my method is uh {disfmarker} I'm interested in what the competition is doing , and wanna see how we can make ourselves different from the competition , so I've really been looking at the press and the ads that are out there for other remote controllers . I s I {vocalsound} spend a lot of time on the internet um surfing around doing the same thing . And then when I'm out um in people's houses or at meetings or anything like that , I try to notice what kind of remote controls people have , and if it's convenient in the conversation I ask about it . And I would encourage you all to do the same . Um and my findings from this is that , you know , small is beautiful . Um people like something that really fits in their hand .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Simple is beautiful . They don't want to have to squint at small print um , they want buttons whose functions are obvious , and they want um as few buttons as possible , and they don't {vocalsound} care for the mode thing . They want each button to do something . And eye-catching is important . It's gotta look cute , it's gotta look appealing . Go ahead , I'm trying to finish fast for you . Um {vocalsound} and our preference is , as far as I'm concerned , are we got to get to the market before the competition . Ours has to be {disfmarker} look really great and it has to come out before the others , so that we have a leg up on time to sell it and push it before other people get out their Christmas item . And we should develop one or two features we can really dwell on in our ad campaign . If we try to tell people it has too many great features , um the consumer just gets confused and we don't get anywhere . So we've gotta narrow our selection down to {vocalsound} li {vocalsound} two things , I think , that we gonna say are really great about our our our new product . And I've been looking around um at what designs {disfmarker} every year different things are popular . And in my research this year I found out that fruit and vegetable shapes are really popular . And people are tired of hard plastic and hard metal . They are more back into soft feel , spongy feeling things , things with maybe a little cloth on them . So those are things maybe we wanna look at as far as saleability of the item .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 47, "turns": [ 103, 268 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user requirement", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing presented the results from a survey of one hundred subjects who were questioned on their feeling about the look, type, quantity, and use of the buttons, Their most used buttons on a remote, their preference between an LCD and a remultific function, and speech recognition, Most of the subjects thought the remote controls looked ugly, had many buttons that were hardly used, were easily lost and difficult to find when missen, and difficult to use, bad for RSI. The preference for LCD and speech recognition varied according to age group, the younger people preferred the LCD and speech recognition but for the older people, it did not matter much. The team also discussed making sure the buttons on the remote control were few and useful, making the remote control easy to use and look nicer and more ergonomic.", "title": "Discussions on User Requirement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 128 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "user requirement", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; In our usability lab, we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjects; Seventy-five percent of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them nicer, more kind. Eighty per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy; seventy-five percent of users say they zap a lot. So we have to have a remote control for that; The buttons have to be like you say resisting shocks; fifty per cents of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons in the remote control; So all the buttons we have to put have to to have a real use; The users said they lost often the remote control in the room so they want to have a way to find it also, it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control; We know that the user uses a lot their um remote control to change channel, to change volume selection and not a lot for setting the channels and things like that. To have LCD and speech recognition. And the others are not so important but uh we know that people between fifteen and twenty-five are people who watch a lot of TV and who can use this a lot.", "title": "Discussions on User Requirement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 128 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ergonomic need , remote controls , user requirements", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the wrist could become painful and hence need to make it more ergonomic.", "title": "The Need for an Ergonomic Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 66, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ergonomic need , remote controls , user requirements", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the wrist could become painful causing tendonitis if on a strangely positioned computer and thus needed to make it more ergonomic.", "title": "The Need for an Ergonomic Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 66, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "previous plan , generic remote control , user requirement", "speaker": "Project manager" }, "summary": "Project manager received a mail from the management which said the cost of producing a generic remote control would be high and it would also take longer to develop than a TV remote would and if they wanted to be in the market as early as possible they should focus on the TV remote.", "title": "Refusal of a Generic Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 140, 152 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "previous plan , generic remote control , user requirement", "speaker": "Project manager" }, "summary": "Project manager said received an email from the management board that it seemed they wanted to have a TV remote control because generic remote control would take a long time to develop and be costly.", "title": "Refusal of a Generic Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 140, 152 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "email , management", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager received an email from management board with specific reasons why they should focus on developing a TV remote control and not a generic one which included time for development, cost effect and market.", "title": "Type of Remote to be Developed", "relevant_turns": [ [ 139, 152 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "email , management", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; It seems that we want to have a TV remote control. From the management board I receive an email; cause it would be costly and also take more time to develop to have a general generic remote control; and they seem to tell that if we want to be on the market we should focus on TV more; the market is more important.", "title": "Type of Remote to be Developed", "relevant_turns": [ [ 139, 152 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Um I dunno if you can open the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I dunno if I can open it . Maybe you can s", "Marketing : uh m is not here .", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh in {disfmarker} yeah okay .", "Project Manager : Messenger no ?", "Marketing : No . In document {gap} . Mm computer yeah .", "Project Manager : In which folder ?", "User Interface : Where did you put it ?", "Marketing : Here . Here .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Short-cut to AMI shared folder ?", "User Interface : {gap} mm .", "Marketing : But it's not {disfmarker} Um .", "Project Manager : Maybe you can send it to me by email . Just to participant one . At AMI .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Yeah , I can do that .", "Project Manager : I will try to show it to everyone , that would be more comfortable .", "Marketing : Okay . Um .", "Project Manager : You send it ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's participant one ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . Uh this is this email .", "User Interface : I'm designing the user interface . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . You can uh .", "Project Manager : Okay . So maybe I can switch slides when you {disfmarker} whenever you ask ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : that will be more convenient . So okay , functional requirements .", "Marketing : Okay so you can {disfmarker} you can go . Okay so {vocalsound} in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjects", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : and the subjects also filled a questionnaire", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : okay ? And here I have the results so you can see that um seventy five per cent of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more {vocalsound} more nice , more kind . Eighty per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy . {vocalsound} Eighty hundred per cent of users would spend more money when the remote control would look {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : oh {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} it's not good . {vocalsound} So okay .", "Project Manager : We can just keep doing that ?", "Marketing : So it's not in theory {disfmarker} but I I can I can say yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Fifty f uh seventy five per cent of users say they s zap a lot . So mm {vocalsound} we have to have a remote control uh very um {vocalsound} out for that . {vocalsound} Uh the buttons have {disfmarker} are to be um uh uh like you say resist resisting to to shocks .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um and fifty per cents of users say they only use uh {vocalsound} ten per cents of but of the buttons in the {disfmarker} in the remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So all the buttons we we have to put are {disfmarker} have to to have um a use a real use", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : and not only or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , so fewer buttons maybe would be good ?", "Marketing : Yeah . F not many buttons , and uh and uh uh u useable buttons {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : But what kind of remote controls did you look at ?", "Marketing : Sorry ?", "User Interface : What kind of task was it ? It was a T_V_ ?", "Marketing : Yeah . Uh {vocalsound} most for most is T_V_ .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah but in fact we {disfmarker} it it seems that we are going to make a T_V_ remote control according to new requirements I received from the management", "User Interface : Huh .", "Project Manager : bo I will present them in the following .", "User Interface : Uh-huh . Ah ! Good .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} 'Kay you can go so .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So there are other frustrations expressed by users , so they said uh they lost uh often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to {vocalsound} to", "Project Manager : Yeah . To find it .", "Marketing : to find it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um and um lot of the time they {disfmarker} it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So they want something s really very simple and uh easy to use .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And uh remote controls are bad for", "Project Manager : What is her other side ?", "Marketing : R_S_I_ {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Other side yeah , yo wa your wrist", "Marketing : I dunno .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It i can become painful you can have tendonditis .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I did not knew that .", "User Interface : If you also {gap} up on a computer in a strange position .", "Project Manager : Okay so you {disfmarker} we have to make it uh more ergonomic yeah .", "User Interface : Ergonomic . But uh {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Have to say ha ha . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's your job {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh .", "Project Manager : Uh sorry {vocalsound} got a message from Microsoft . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay um before that I I have some some {vocalsound} some thing {vocalsound} uh to say before um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} We know that uh the user use uh a lot their um remote control um to to change channel .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um and um to to change uh volume selection of the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : and uh and not uh a lot for setting {disfmarker} for setting the the channels and uh thing things like that .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So it's better to put uh uh uh something very easy to set and uh and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . This function should be very uh accessible .", "Marketing : Very accessible yes .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay . This is the main function okay .", "Marketing : That's right . {vocalsound} So then we asked some questions to them", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and um we asked this question if they prefer an L_C_D_ screen or on their remultific function remotes control", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and if they mm pay more for speech recognition in remote control", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and you can go {vocalsound} we have here the results of", "User Interface : The first question .", "Marketing : of the questions . So you know that um", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} for the younger it's very important", "Project Manager : To have L_C_D_ and voice .", "Marketing : to have the s yes and speech recognition . And uh and the others is not so important but uh we know that uh uh people between fifteen and twenty five are people who watch a lot T_V_ and uh who who wh can use a lot this uh .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So maybe we we can have a speech recognition in .", "Project Manager : Yeah maybe this this is important .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Moreover th maybe those uh like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : we have to take care of that point of view I think or so .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay and if there is th the conclusion now . So as we say before , I think uh um a remote control lightening in the dark it's it's a good thing .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh not to many mud buttons like we we said before ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : e easy to use uh a way to find it easily in the room and uh uh resistant to to shock and to to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} An I s no , yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay these are the user requi", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I dunno if you see something else important or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'm just thinking of some thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker} We want to have a {disfmarker} no , I don't know if this is a good idea . We want to have a a general remote control for everything .", "Project Manager : No no no . We {disfmarker} w it seems that we no want to have a T_V_ remote control . From the management board I receive an email .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Cos it would be costly uh and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it's not true I think . The the second claim that you put .", "Industrial Designer : No no . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That it would be too long to develop .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think that should be the same .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah . Because I received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should uh focus on T_V_ more where it seems that the market is more important . So maybe it's a good decision . I dunno . What's your opinion ?", "User Interface : I have uh I've no idea I mean I should know a bit more about how fast we can uh design it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I don't think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Finish tonight .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} But basically yeah maybe I can continue with my presentation , it would be al you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 5, "turns": [ 195, 347 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcriptions , current state", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor E said transcriptions beyond the digits, where they were, and so on. Postdoc F was not sure but the transcribers would finish in eleven hours. PhD B gave a suggestion, passing through transcriptions in order to build lexicons, just took all the transcriptions and separate them into words and alphabetize them.", "title": "Group Talking About Transcriptions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ], [ 20, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "transcriptions , current state", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor E said transcriptions beyond the digits, where they were, and so on. Grad C said that they had about thirty hours. Postdoc F didn't have the exact numbers, but it would come to about eleven hours that they would be finished transcribing from them right now. 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After that, the clean of those were those things and then could be channelized to get into the multichannel format, and at that point would be ready for use.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About What's Needed for Transcripts", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 55 ], [ 66, 70 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "transcripts , needed", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Postdoc F; transcribers; about eleven hours that are finished; transcribing from them right now; the data are clean first; then channelized; additional conventions; Liz requested in terms; systematic handling of numbers; acronyms; hadn't been specific about; they'll say uh \" ninety - two \"; you know; convert that via a filter; tagged; subcategorized comments; subset when you do what you're saying; collapsing across a frequency; tokens; more efficiently makes; numbers and acronyms; handled by hand; anyway; clean; those are those things; then channelized; get it into this multichannel format; the next step; work on tightening up; boundaries; time bins;", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About What's Needed for Transcripts", "relevant_turns": [ 20, [ 49, 55 ], 70 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "good use", "speaker": "PhD B , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "PhD B gave a suggestion, in order to build lexicons, just took all the transcriptions and separate them into words and alphabetize them. Postdoc F said that they were talking about token frequency listings, like on each line one word, from the corpus and those were extremely efficient, and they were a very good use of it.", "title": "PhD B and Postdoc F Talk About Good Use", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "good use", "speaker": "PhD B , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "PhD B said separate the words and alphabetize them. Postdoc F said that those were extremely efficient, a very good use of it.", "title": "PhD B and Postdoc F Talk About Good Use", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "commas", "speaker": "Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Postdoc F said that it was part of the cleaning process, and Postdoc F went through it last night, and it was almost spooky how similar they were, just differences in commas, because the needed conventions, but it was word-by-word the same, except by commas, in big parts of data.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About Commas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 74, 84 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "commas", "speaker": "Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Postdoc F went through it last night and said that it had a ten-minute segment transcribed, and it was almost spooky how similar they were, just differences in commas, because the needed conventions, but it was word-by-word the same, except by commas, in huge patches of data, in a ten-minute stretch.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About Commas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 74, 84 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exact numbers", "speaker": "Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Postdoc F said something about the transcribers, and that it wouldn't have the exact numbers, but they thought that in about eleven hours that they were finished up. After that, Postdoc F was working to ensure that the data were cleaned first.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About Exact Numbers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exact numbers", "speaker": "Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Postdoc F said something about the transcribers, then that it wouldn't have the exact numbers, but they thought that in about eleven hours that they were finished up. Then Postdoc F was working to ensure that the data was cleaned first. After that, the request was having systematic handling of numbers, so if they say just nine two, that could be expressed in many ways.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About Exact Numbers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "comment", "speaker": "Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Postdoc F said it was a good suggestion. There were numbers and acronyms, and they want an explicit marker of what type of comment it was, inside curly brackets. At last, it said that via filter it could convert things into tagged, sub-categorized comments.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About Comments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 42 ], 49 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "comment", "speaker": "Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Postdoc F agreed that alphabetized lists were a very good suggestion to handle a lot of things in terms of things that needed to be glossed. So there were numbers and acronyms, and they wanted an explicit marker of what type of comment it was, inside curly brackets, either VOC for vocalized if they said a spoken form with pronunciation error, like cough or laugh or whatever and etc. Also, via filter, it could convert lists into tagged, sub-categorized comments.", "title": "Postdoc F Talking About Comments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 42 ], 49 ] } ], "source": [ "Grad D : So .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor E : OK . So , that 's why we 're not seeing him . OK . Uh , transcriptions , uh , beyond the digits , where we are , and so on .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor E : And the {disfmarker} and the recordings also ,", "Postdoc F : Um {disfmarker}", "Professor E : just where we are . Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Well , so um , should we {disfmarker} we don't wan wanna do the recording status first , or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad C : Well , we have about thirty - two hours uh as of , I guess a week and a half ago , so we probably now have about thirty - five hours .", "Professor E : And {disfmarker} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's uh {disfmarker} How much of that is digits ? It 's uh {disfmarker} that 's including digits ,", "Grad C : That 's including digits .", "Professor E : right ?", "Grad C : I haven't separated it out so I have no clue how much of that is digits .", "Professor E : So {disfmarker} Yeah . So anyway there 's at least probably thirty hours , or something of {disfmarker} There 's got to be more than thirty hour {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Grad C : Of {disfmarker} of non - digits ?", "Professor E : i it couldn't {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} Of non - digits .", "Grad C : Yeah , absolutely . I mean , the digits don't take up that much time .", "Professor E : Yeah , yeah . OK .", "Postdoc F : OK , and the transcribers h I , uh , don't have the exact numbers , but I {pause} think it would come to about eleven hours that are finished uh , transcribing from them right now . The next step is to {disfmarker} that I 'm working on is to insure that the data are clean first , and then channelized . What I mean by clean is that they 're spell - checked , that the mark - up is consistent all the way throughout , and also that we now incorporate these additional conventions that uh , Liz requested in terms of um , um {pause} in terms of having a s a systematic handling of numbers , and acronyms which I hadn't been specific about . Um , for example , i they 'll say uh \" ninety - two \" . And you know , so how {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Nine two ,", "Postdoc F : e Exactly .", "Grad C : right .", "Postdoc F : So if you just say \" nine two \" , the {disfmarker} there are many s ways that could have been expressed . An - and I just had them {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , a certain number of them did put the words down , but now we have a convention which also involves having it followed by , um , a gloss th and things .", "PhD B : You know , Jane ?", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : Um , one suggestion and you may already be doing this , but I 've noticed in the past that when I 've gone through transcriptions and you know in {disfmarker} in order to build lexicons and things , if you um , just take all the transcriptions and separate them into words and then alphabetize them , {comment} a lot of times just scanning down that list you 'll find a lot of {pause} inconsistencies and mis", "Grad C : Misspelled .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : You 're talking about the type token frequency listings , and I use those too . Y you mean just uh {pause} on each {disfmarker} on each line there 's a one word right ? It 's one token from the {disfmarker} from the corpus .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : Yeah , those are e extremely efficient and I and I {disfmarker} I agree that 's a very good use of it .", "PhD B : Oh so you already have that , OK .", "Postdoc F : Well that 's {disfmarker} that 's a way {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} You know , the spell - check basically does that but {disfmarker} but in addition {disfmarker} yes , that 's {disfmarker} that 's exactly the strategy I wanna do in terms of locating these things which are you know colloquial spoken forms which aren't in the lexicon .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm . Cuz a lot of times they 'll appear next to each other , and uh ,", "Postdoc F : Exactly . And then you ca then you can do a s", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD B : i in alphabetized lists , they 'll appear next to each other and {disfmarker} and so it makes it easier .", "Postdoc F : Absolutely . I agree . That 's a very good {disfmarker} that 's a very good uh , suggestion . And that was {disfmarker} that 's my strategy for handling a lot of these things , in terms of things that need to be glossed . I didn't get to that point but {disfmarker} So there are numbers , then there are acronyms , and then um , there 's a {disfmarker} he she wants the uh , actually a {disfmarker} an explicit marker of what type of comment this is , so i curly b inside the curly brackets I 'm gonna put either \" VOC \" for vocalized , like cough or like laugh or whatever , \" NONVOC \" for door - slam , and \" GLOSS \" for things that have to do with {disfmarker} if they said a s a spoken form with this {disfmarker} m this pronunciation error .", "Grad C : Right .", "Postdoc F : I already had that convention", "PhD B : Oh that 's great .", "Postdoc F : but I {disfmarker} I haven't been asking these people to do it systematically cuz I think it most {disfmarker} ha most efficiently handled by uh {disfmarker} by a {disfmarker} a filter . That was what I was always planing on . So that , you know you get a whole long list {disfmarker} exactly what you 're saying , you get a whole list of things that say \" curly bracket laugh curly bracket \" ,", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : then y you know it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you risk less error if you handle it by a filter , than if you have this transcriber ch laboriously typing in sort of a VOC space ,", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : so man So many ways that error prone .", "PhD B : Right . Right .", "Postdoc F : So , um , {vocalsound} um I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm going to convert that via a filter , into these tagged uh , subcategorized comments , and same thing with you know , we see you get a subset when you do what you 're saying ,", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : you end up with a s with uh , you 're collapsing across a frequency you just have the tokens", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : and you can um , have a filter which more efficiently makes those changes . But the numbers and acronyms have to be handled by hand , because , you know I mean , jus", "Grad C : You don't know what they could be .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah now TIMIT 's clear um {pause} and PLP is clear but uh there are things that are not so well known , in {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or have variant {disfmarker} u u uses like the numbers you can say \" nine two \" or you can say \" ninety - two \" ,", "Grad C : So how are you doing the {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : and uh I 'd handle the numbers individually .", "Grad C : How are you doing the uh , acronyms so if I say PZM what would it appear on the transcript ?", "Postdoc F : It would be separate {disfmarker} The letters would be separated in space", "Grad C : OK .", "Postdoc F : and potentially they 'll have a curly bracket thing afterwards e but I 'm not sure if that 's necessary , clarifying what it is ,", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : so gloss of {pause} whatever .", "Grad C : Right .", "Postdoc F : I don't know if that 's really necessary to do that . Maybe it 's a nice thing to do because of it then indicating this is uh , a step away from i indicating that it really is intentional that those spaces are there , and indicating why they 're there to indicate that it 's uh {vocalsound} the you know , {comment} uh enumerated , or i", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : it 's not a good way of saying {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} it 's the {vocalsound} specific uh way of stating these {disfmarker} these letters .", "Grad C : Right . So it sounds good .", "Postdoc F : And so anyway , the clean {disfmarker} those are those things and then channelized is to then um , get it into this multichannel format . And at that point then it 's ready for use by Liz and Don . But that 's been my top priority {disfmarker} beyond getting it tanel channelized , the next step is to work on tightening up the boundaries of the time bins .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : Right .", "Postdoc F : And uh , Thilo had a {disfmarker} e e a breakthrough with this {disfmarker} this last week in terms of getting the channel - based um uh s s speech - nonspeech segmentation um , up and running and I haven't {disfmarker} I haven't been able to use that yet cuz I 'm working s re this is my top priority {disfmarker} get the data clean , and channelized .", "PhD A : I actually gave", "Grad C : Have you also been doing spot checks , Jane ?", "Postdoc F : Oh yes .", "Grad C : Okay , good .", "Postdoc F : Well you see that 's part of the cleaning process . I spent um actually um I have a segment of ten minutes that was transcribed by two of our transcribers ,", "Grad C : Oh good . Good .", "Postdoc F : and I went through it last night , it 's {disfmarker} it 's almost spooky how similar these are , word for word . And there are some differences in commas cuz commas I {disfmarker} I left them discretion at commas .", "Grad C : Right .", "Postdoc F : Uh {disfmarker} and so because it 's not part of our st of our ne needed conventions .", "Professor E : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : And um , and {disfmarker} so they 'll be a difference in commas , but it 's word - by - word the same , in {disfmarker} in huge patches of the data . And I have t ten minute stretch where I can {disfmarker} where I can show that . And {disfmarker} and sometimes it turns out that one of these transcribers has a better ear for technical jargon , and the other one has a better ear for colloquial speech . So um , the one i i the colloquial speech person picked up \" gobbledy - gook \" .", "PhD B : Hmm .", "Postdoc F : And the other one didn't . And on this side , this one 's picking up things like \" neural nets \" and the one that 's good on the sp o on th the vocabulary on the uh colloquial didn't .", "Grad C : Right .", "PhD B : When {disfmarker} for the person who missed \" gobbledy - gook \" what did they put ?", "Postdoc F : It was an interesting approximation , put in parentheses , cuz I have this convention that , i if they 're not sure what it was , they put it in parentheses .", "PhD B : Oh .", "Postdoc F : So they tried to approximate it , but it was {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Oh good .", "Postdoc F : it was spelled GABBL {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Sort of how it sounds . Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yes . More of an attempt to {disfmarker} I mean apparently it was very clear to her that these {disfmarker} the a this {disfmarker} this was a sound {disfmarker} these are the sounds ,", "Grad C : It was a technical term that she didn't recognize ,", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : but {disfmarker} Yeah . But she knew that she didn't know it . Maybe it was a technical ter exactly . But she {disfmarker} even though her technical perception is just really {disfmarker} uh you know I 've {disfmarker} I 'm tempted to ask her if she 's taken any courses in this area or if she 's taken cognitive science courses", "Grad C : Right .", "Postdoc F : then cuz \" neural nets \" and {disfmarker} oh she has some things that are {disfmarker} oh \" downsampled \" , she got that right .", "PhD B : Hmm .", "Postdoc F : And some of these are rather {pause} uh unexpected .", "Grad C : Obscure , yeah .", "Postdoc F : But ch ten solid uh {disfmarker} m ch s chunk of ten solid minutes where they both coded the same data .", "Professor E : And {disfmarker} and again the main track that you 're working with is elev eleven hours ?", "Postdoc F : And um {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Is that right ?", "Postdoc F : Yes exactly .", "Professor E : Yeah , OK .", "Postdoc F : And that 's part of this {disfmarker} Eleven hours .", "Professor E : Is that {disfmarker} is that {disfmarker} that including digits ? Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yes it is .", "Professor E : So let 's say roughly {pause} ten hours or so of {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : I mean it 's probably more than that but {disfmarker} but with {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of non - digits .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : It 'd be more than that because I {disfmarker} my recollection is the minutes {disfmarker} that da digits don't take more than half a minute . Per person .", "Professor E : Oh , OK .", "Postdoc F : But um {pause} the {disfmarker} the total set that I gave them is twelve hours of tape ,", "Professor E : Oh , I see .", "Postdoc F : But they haven't gotten to the end of that yet .", "Professor E : Oh , I see .", "Postdoc F : So they 're still working {disfmarker} some of them are {disfmarker} Two of them are still working on completing that . Yeah .", "PhD B : Boy , they 're moving right along .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah . They are . Mm - hmm . They 're very efficient . There 're some who have more hours that they devote to it than others .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Professor E : So what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what 's the deal with {disfmarker} with your {disfmarker}", "PhD A : The channel u thing ?", "Professor E : Yeah .", "PhD A : Oh , it 's just uh , I ran the recognizer {disfmarker} uh , the {pause} {comment} speech - nonspeech detector on different channels and , it 's just in uh {disfmarker} in this new multi - channel format and output , and I just gave one {disfmarker} one meeting to {disfmarker} to Liz who wanted to {disfmarker} to try it for {disfmarker} for the recognizer", "Professor E : Oh , I see .", "PhD A : as uh , apparently the recognizer had problems with those long chunks of speech , which took too much memory or whatever ,", "Professor E : Right .", "PhD A : and so {pause} she {disfmarker} she will try that I think", "Professor E : Yeah .", "PhD A : and {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm working on it . So , I hope {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Is this anything different than the HMM system you were using before ?", "Professor E : Yeah .", "PhD A : No . Uh , I {pause} mmm , use some {disfmarker} some different features but not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : The basic thing is this HMM base .", "Grad C : So there 's still no {disfmarker} no knowledge using different channels at the same time .", "PhD A : There is some , uh as the energy is normalized across channels", "Grad C : You know what I mean ? Across all of them .", "PhD A : yeah .", "Grad C : OK .", "PhD A : So . But basically that 's one of the main changes .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : Mm - hmm . What are some of the other features ? Besides the energy ? You said you 're trying some different features , or something ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 488, 730 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "issue , data storage", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said that there was a back-up issue. PhD I said that they could use their old file server for disks that had rarely accessed data, and then had a fast new file server for heavily accessed data, later PhD B commented that the file server could become a future issue. After Grad F said that the only issue was if they needed access to them, PhD I said that they might be needed to recreate one.", "title": "Talking About the File Server Issue", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 43 ], [ 98, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "issue , data storage", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F; It's really the back-up issue rather than the file server issue; PhD I; use our old file server for; disks that have data that; is very rarely accessed, and then have a fast new file server for data that is heavily accessed; PhD B; the file server could become an issue as; get a whole bunch more new compute machines; Grad F; the only issue is then; if; need access to them.", "title": "Team Discussion About Issues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 43 ], [ 98, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "storing data", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D thought that a disk was cheap and the only thing that it cost was the back-up issue and they could take care of that by putting it on non-back-up drives and just backing it up once onto this tape.", "title": "Professor D Talking About the Storing Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 165, 175 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "storing data", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D; disk; cheap; only thing that costs is the back\u2013up; issue; take care of; by putting it on non\u2013back up drives and just backing it up once onto this tape.", "title": "Professor D Talking About the Storing Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 165, 175 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "CD , backup", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F thought that the CD was an alternative to tape, but they said that ICSI had a tape system more reliable, for that, the team just used tape to archive.", "title": "Team Dissertation for the CD for Backup", "relevant_turns": [ [ 115, 125 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "CD , backup", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said that the CD was the alternative to tape, but said that ICSI had a more reliable tape system, and the team agreed with using tape.", "title": "Team Dissertation for the CD for Backup", "relevant_turns": [ [ 115, 125 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reliable way", "speaker": "PhD I , Grad F" }, "summary": "PhD I asked about using a CD-ROM or DVD, Grad F answered it was not the reliable way because they wore out just from site on the shelf.", "title": "PhD I and Grad F Talking About the Reliable Way", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reliable way", "speaker": "PhD I , Grad F" }, "summary": "PhD I asked about using a CD-ROM or DVD, Grad F answered it was not the reliable way because they wore out in one year or two just from the site on the shelf, although Read and write did not wear them much unless they scratched.", "title": "PhD I and Grad F Talking About the Reliable Way", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting data , back-up", "speaker": "PhD I , Grad F" }, "summary": "If the meeting data was put on disk once, it was backed-up once and the back-up system should never have to bother with it, and was smart enough.", "title": "PhD I Talking About Meeting Data Back-Up", "relevant_turns": [ [ 126, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "meeting data , back-up", "speaker": "PhD I" }, "summary": "PhD I didn't understand if the meeting data was put on disk exactly once, then it was backed-up once and the back-up system should never have to bother with it. This back-up system was smart enough to figure out that something hasn't changed and didn't need to be backed-up again.", "title": "PhD I Talking About Meeting Data Back-Up", "relevant_turns": [ [ 126, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time", "speaker": "PhD B , Professor D , PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD B asked if it wore out after what amount of time, and it was like a year. Professor D said that they had CDs from long time ago. PhD G said that it was not at the same time.", "title": "PhD B, Professor D and PhD G Talking About Time", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 60 ], [ 75, 82 ], [ 191, 194 ], [ 209, 213 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "time", "speaker": "PhD B , Professor D , PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD B; Wear out after what amount of time? Grad F; Year or two; PhD G; But; have like thirty; from; ten years ago? Professor D; all sorts of CD-ROMs from a long time ago.", "title": "PhD B, Professor D and PhD G Talking About Time", "relevant_turns": [ [ 57, 60 ], [ 75, 82 ], [ 191, 194 ], [ 209, 213 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "queues", "speaker": "Grad F" }, "summary": "Grad F said that it was just a utility that queued up, and when it was available, it would copy it.", "title": "Grad F Talking About Queues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 212, 222 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "queues", "speaker": "Grad F" }, "summary": "Grad F said that it was just a utility that queueed up.", "title": "Grad F Talking About Queues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 212, 222 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "file server", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor D said that this conversation was going on about getting a new file server, then Grad F said that it was an issue in back-up rather than a file server, PhD I said that they could use the old file server and a new file server for data. PhD B said that the file server could become an issue.", "title": "Team Talking About File Server", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 42 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "file server", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor D; getting another file server; Grad F; back-up issue; rather; file server issue.", "title": "Team Talking About File Server", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 42 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD I : Do you wanna be a subject ?", "Professor D : Yeah , I be pretty good .", "PhD I : We {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad F : We 're about {disfmarker} we 're about half {disfmarker} halfway through our disk right now .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD I : That was one of our concerns .", "PhD B : Are we only half ? I thought we were more than that .", "Grad F : We 're probably a little more than that because we 're using up some space that we shouldn't be on . So , once everything gets converted over to the disks we 're supposed to be using we 'll be probably , uh , seventy - five percent .", "PhD B : Well , when I was looking for space for Thilo , I found one disk that had , uh , I think it was nine gigs and another one had seventeen .", "Grad F : Yep .", "PhD B : And everything else was sorta committed . Uh {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Were those backed - up or non - backed - up ?", "PhD B : Those were non - backed - up .", "PhD E : Non - back - up .", "Grad F : Right . So that 's different .", "PhD B : S oh , you 're talking about backed - up .", "Grad F : I 'm much more concerned about the backed - up . The non - backed - up ,", "PhD B : I haven't looked to see how much of that we have .", "Grad F : yeah , i is cheap . I mean , if we need to we can buy a disk , hang it off a s uh , workstation . If it 's not backed - up the sysadmins don't care too much .", "Professor D : Yeah . So , I mean , pretty much anytime we need a disk , we can get it at the rate that we 're {disfmarker}", "PhD I : You can {disfmarker} I shouldn't be saying this , but , you can just {disfmarker} you know , since the back - ups are every night , you can recycle the backed - up diskspace .", "Grad F : Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} {pause} that 's risky .", "Professor D : Yeah . You really shouldn't be saying {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Mmm . Mmm .", "PhD I : I didn't say that .", "Grad F : Yeah , that 's right .", "PhD I : I didn't say that .", "Grad F : Beep that out .", "Professor D : Da - we had allowed Dave to listen to these {disfmarker} {vocalsound} these , {vocalsound} uh , recordings .", "PhD I : Right .", "Professor D : Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah , I me and there 's been this conversation going on about getting another file server , and {disfmarker} and {vocalsound} we can do that .", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : We 'll take the opportunity and get another big raft of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of disk , I guess .", "Grad F : Yeah . It 's really the back - up issue rather than the file server issue .", "PhD I : Well , I think {disfmarker} {comment} I think there 's an argument for having {disfmarker} you know , you could use our old file server for {disfmarker} for disks that have data that {pause} is very rarely accessed , and then have a fast new file server for data that is , um , heavily accessed .", "Grad F : Yeah . My understanding is , the issue isn't really the file server .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Grad F : We could always put more disks on .", "PhD I : Yeah . It 's the back it 's the back - up capaci", "Grad F : It 's the back - up system .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Grad F : So {disfmarker} which is near saturation , apparently . So .", "PhD B : I think {disfmarker} I think the file server could become an issue as we get a whole bunch more new compute machines .", "Professor D : Soon .", "PhD B : And we 've got , you know , fifty machines trying to access data off of Abbott at once .", "Grad F : Well , we 're alright for now because the network 's so slow .", "PhD I : I mean , I think {disfmarker} I think we 've raised this before and someone said this is not a reliable way to do it , but the {disfmarker} What about putting the stuff on , like , C - CD - ROM or DVD or something ?", "Grad F : Yeah . That was me . I was the one who said it was not reliable . The - they {disfmarker} they wear out .", "PhD I : OK . Oh , OK .", "Grad F : Yeah . The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} th", "PhD I : But they wear out just from sitting on the shelf ?", "Grad F : Yep . Absolutely .", "PhD I : Or from being {pause} read and read ?", "Grad F : No . Read and write don't hurt them too much unless you scratch them .", "PhD I : Oh , OK .", "Grad F : But the r the write once , and the read - writes , don't last . So you don't wa you don't wanna put ir un reproduceable data {pause} on them .", "PhD I : Uh - huh .", "PhD B : Wear out after what amount of time ?", "Grad F : Year or two .", "Postdoc A : Would it be {disfmarker} ?", "Professor D : Year or two ?", "Grad F : Yep .", "Professor D : Wow .", "Postdoc A : Hmm .", "PhD I : But if that {disfmarker} then you would think you 'd {pause} hear much more clamoring about data loss", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD I : and {disfmarker}", "Professor D : I mean , yeah , all the L", "Grad F : I {disfmarker} I don't know many people who do it on CD . I mean , they 're {disfmarker} the most {disfmarker} fo", "Professor D : LDC - all the LDC distributions are on CD - ROM .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "Grad F : They 're on CD , but they 're not {disfmarker} tha that 's not the only source .", "PhD G : Like {disfmarker}", "Grad F : They have them on disk . And they burn new ones every once in a while . But if you go {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you go k", "PhD I : But , you know , we have {disfmarker}", "PhD G : But we have like thirty {pause} you know , from {pause} ten years ago ?", "Professor D : We have all sorts of CD - ROMs from a long time ago .", "PhD G : No .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD G : Yeah !", "Grad F : Well , th th OK .", "PhD G : Ten years ago .", "PhD I : Right .", "PhD G : Ninety - one , and they 're still all fine .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad H : Were they burned or were they pressed ?", "PhD G : Uh , both . I 've burned them and they 're still OK .", "Grad H : Yeah .", "Grad F : The {disfmarker} the pressed ones last for", "PhD G : I mean , usually they 're {disfmarker}", "Grad F : well , not forever , they 've been finding even those degrade .", "Professor D : Oh , I see .", "Grad F : But , uh , the burned ones {disfmarker} I mean , when I say two or three years what I 'm saying is that I have had disks which are gone in a year .", "PhD G : That 's what I {disfmarker}", "Grad F : On the average , it 'll probably be three or four years . But , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you don't want to per p have your only copy on a media that fails .", "PhD I : Mmm .", "Grad F : And they do . Um , if you have them professionally pressed , y you know , they 're good for decades .", "PhD I : So how about {disfmarker} ? So {disfmarker} so how about putting them on that plus , like on a {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on DAT or some other medium that isn't risky ?", "Grad F : I think th um , we can already put them on tape . And the tape is hi is very reliable .", "PhD I : OK . Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : So the {disfmarker} the only issue is then {pause} if we need access to them . So that 's fine f if we don't need access to them .", "PhD I : Right . Well , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} if they last {disfmarker} Say , they actually last , like , five years , huh , in {disfmarker} in the typical case , and {disfmarker} and occasionally you might need to recreate one , and then you get your tape out , but otherwise you don't . Can't you just {disfmarker} you just put them on {disfmarker} ?", "Grad H : So you just archive it on the tape , and then put it on CD as well ?", "PhD I : Yeah . Right .", "Grad F : Oh . So you 're just saying put them on C Ds for normal access .", "Grad H : Yeah .", "PhD I : Right .", "PhD B : What you {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yeah . I mean , you can do that but that 's pretty annoying , because the C Ds are so slow .", "PhD G : See {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad H : Yeah .", "PhD I : Mmm .", "PhD B : What 'd be nice is a system that re - burned the C Ds every {vocalsound} year .", "PhD G : H everytime it was a \" gonna \" {disfmarker} \" gonna die \" .", "Professor D : Well {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Well , I mean , the C Ds are {disfmarker} are an op", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD I : It 's like {disfmarker} like dynamic ra DRAM .", "PhD E : Just before .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD G : Just before they be before it goes bad , it burns them in .", "Grad F : The {disfmarker} the CD is an alternative to tape .", "Grad H : Yeah .", "Grad F : ICSI already has a perfectly good tape system and it 's more reliable .", "Professor D : You know {disfmarker} I would think {disfmarker}", "Grad F : So for archiving , we 'll just use tape .", "PhD I : One {disfmarker} one thing I don't understand is , if you have the data {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you if the meeting data is put on disk exactly once , then it 's backed - up once and the back - up system should never have to bother with it , uh , more than once .", "Grad F : Well , regardless {disfmarker} Well , first of all there was , um , a problem with the archive in that I was every once in a while doing a chmod on all the directories an or recursive chmod and chown , because {vocalsound} they weren't getting set correctly every once in a while ,", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : and I was just , {vocalsound} doing a minus R star , {vocalsound} not realizing that that caused {pause} it to be re - backed - up .", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : Ah .", "Grad F : But normally you 're correct . But even without that , the back - up system is becoming saturated .", "PhD I : But {disfmarker} but this back - up system is smart enough to figure out that something hasn't changed and doesn't need to be {pause} backed - up again .", "Professor D : The b I think th the {disfmarker} at least the once tha that you put it on , it would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it would {comment} {vocalsound} kill that .", "Grad F : Sure , but we still have enough changed that the nightly back - ups are starting to take too long .", "PhD I : OK . So {disfmarker} so then , if {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so then , let 's {disfmarker}", "Professor D : So .", "Grad F : It has nothing to do with the meeting . It 's just the general ICSI back - up system is becoming saturated .", "PhD I : Right . OK . Right . So , what if we buy , uh {disfmarker} uh , what {disfmarker} what do they call these , um {pause} high density {disfmarker} ?", "Grad F : Well , why don't you have this {disfmarker} have a {disfmarker} this conversation with Dave Johnson tha rather than with me ?", "PhD I : No , no . Because this is {pause} maybe something that we can do without involving Dave , and {disfmarker} and , putting more burden on him . How about we buy , uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh , one of these high density tape drives ? And we put the data actually on non - backed - up disks . And we do our own back - up once and for all {disfmarker} all , and then {disfmarker} and we don't have to bother this @ @ up ?", "Grad F : Actually , you know , we could do that just with the tape {disfmarker} with the current tape .", "PhD I : I dunno what the these tapes {disfmarker} uh , at some point these {disfmarker} I dunno . What kind of tape drive is it ?", "Grad F : I dunno but it 's an automatic robot so it 's very convenient .", "PhD I : Is it {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} ?", "Professor D : Wh The o the one that we have ?", "Grad F : You just run a program to restore them .", "PhD I : Right .", "Professor D : The {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yeah .", "PhD I : But it might interfere with their back - up schedule ,", "PhD G : But {disfmarker}", "Professor D : No , we have s we {disfmarker} Don't we have our own ?", "PhD I : eh .", "Professor D : Something wi th that doesn't {disfmarker} that isn't used by the back - up gang ? Don't we have something downstairs ?", "Postdoc A : Well they {disfmarker}", "PhD B : What kinda tape drive ?", "Professor D : Just in {disfmarker} ? Yeah .", "Grad F : Well {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} no , but Andreas 's point is a good one . And we don't have to do anything ourselves to do that . They 're already right now on tape .", "PhD I : Right .", "Grad F : Right . So your {disfmarker} your point is , and I think it 's a good one , that we could just get more disk and put it there .", "PhD I : Mmm . On an XH {disfmarker} uh , X {disfmarker} X whatever partition .", "Grad F : Yeah . That 's not a bad idea .", "PhD I : Yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah , that 's basically what I was gonna say , is that a disk is {disfmarker} is so cheap it 's es essentially , you know , close to free . And the only thing that costs is the back - up {pause} issue , {vocalsound} eh , to first order .", "Grad F : So once it 's on tape {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Right . Right .", "Professor D : And we can take care of that by putting it on non - back {pause} up drives and just backing it up once onto this tape .", "PhD I : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : I think that 's a good idea .", "PhD I : Right .", "Professor D : Oh . Yeah .", "PhD I : OK .", "Professor D : Good . It 's good .", "PhD G : So , who 's gonna do these back - ups ? The people that collect it ?", "Grad F : Uh Well , I 'll talk to Dave , and {disfmarker} and see what th how {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} what the best way of doing that is .", "PhD B : It 's probably gonna n", "Grad F : There 's a little utility that will manually burn a tape for you , and that 's probably the right way to do it .", "PhD B : Yeah , and we should probably make that part of the procedure for recording the meetings .", "PhD G : Well , s", "Grad F : Yep .", "PhD G : Yeah . That 's what I 'm wondering , if {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Well {pause} we 're g we 're gonna automate that .", "PhD G : OK .", "Grad F : My intention is to {pause} do a script that 'll do everything .", "PhD G : I mean , you don't have to physically put a tape in the drive ?", "Grad F : No . It 's all tape robot ,", "PhD G : Or s ? s ? {comment} Oh , OK .", "Grad F : so you just sit down at your computer and you type a command .", "PhD G : So it 's just {disfmarker} Oh , OK .", "PhD I : Yeah , but then you 're effectively using the resources of the back - up system . Or is that a different tape robot ?", "Grad F : Yeah .", "PhD G : But not at the same time .", "Grad F : But y but you would be anyway .", "PhD B : No , no , no .", "Grad F : Right ?", "PhD B : He 's saying get a whole different drive .", "Grad F : Because {disfmarker}", "PhD I : No , no . See {disfmarker}", "Grad F : But there 's no reason to do that .", "PhD I : Yeah , just give a dedi", "Grad F : It {disfmarker} we already have it there and it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Well , I 'm saying is @ @ i if you go to Dave , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and ask him \" can I use your tape robot ? \" , he will say , \" well {pause} that 's gonna screw up our back - up operation . \"", "Grad F : No , we won't . He 'll say \" if {disfmarker} if that means {pause} that it 's not gonna be backed - up standardly , great . \"", "Professor D : He - I {disfmarker} Dave has {disfmarker} has promoted this in the past . So I don't think he 's actually against it .", "Grad F : Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's definitely no problem .", "PhD I : Oh , OK . Alright .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD I : Alright .", "Professor D : OK .", "PhD I : Good .", "PhD G : What about if the times overlap with the normal back - up time ?", "Grad F : Um , it 's {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker} it 's just a utility which queues up . It just queues it up and {disfmarker} and when it 's available , it will copy it .", "PhD G : OK .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad F : And then you can tell it to then remove it from the disk or you can , you know , do it a a few days later or whatever you wanna do , after you confirm that it 's really backed - up .", "PhD G : OK .", "Grad F : NW {disfmarker} ?", "Postdoc A : You saying NW archive ?", "Grad F : NW archive .", "Postdoc A : Yep {comment} {vocalsound} And if you did that during the day it would never make it to the nightly back - ups .", "Grad F : That 's what it is .", "Professor D : OK .", "Grad F : Right .", "Postdoc A : And then there wouldn't be this extra load .", "PhD I : Well , it {disfmarker} if he {disfmarker} you have to put the data on a {disfmarker} on a non - backed - up disk to begin with .", "Postdoc A : Well , but you can have it NW archive to {disfmarker} you can have , {vocalsound} uh , a non - backed - up disk NW archived ,", "Grad F : Right .", "PhD I : So that {disfmarker} so that {disfmarker} otherwise you don't {disfmarker} you {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : and it 'll never show up on the nightly back - ups .", "Grad F : Right . And then it never {disfmarker}", "PhD I : Right . Right .", "Grad F : Right . Which I 'm sure would make ever the sysadmins very happy .", "PhD I : Right .", "Postdoc A : Yeah .", "Grad F : So , I think that 's a good idea .", "PhD I : OK .", "Grad F : That 's what we should do .", "PhD I : OK .", "Grad F : So , that means we 'll probably wanna convert all {disfmarker} all those files {disfmarker} filesystems to non - backed - up media .", "PhD B : That sounds good .", "Professor D : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 113, 149 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Assessment", "speaker": "Suzy Davies AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Suzy Davies AM asked about the feedback received with regard to the draft assessment proposals. Kirsty Williams AM answered that the principles were broadly supported and they received positive feedback.", "title": "Feedback on Assessment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Assessment", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said the principles were supported, feedback received was positive regarding emphasis placed on the ongoing assessment that supported children's learning and progression. The key messages were to find a better way of expressing the purposes of assessment, either a formative and summative assessment. Suzy Davies AM said they were aware of the distinction between assessment of pupils and the evaluation of a school performances. they needed to keep these items completely separate and the results would be forwarded in a separate document.", "title": "Assessment of Pupils", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Parents", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said the primary purpose for assessment was for the professional to be able to know how to move the child's educational journey on and the professionals were to have those conversations with parents either using formative and summative assessments.", "title": "Purpose of Assessment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Parents", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said parents were always interested in how the overall institution and their child was doing,.Teachers should share assessment methods and outcomes with parents.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's Thoughts on Parent Interests", "relevant_turns": [ 11 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "School Categorisation System", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said categorisation of schools was a triage process. Suzy Davies AM said that all inspections would go in through Estyn reports. Steve Davies said the outcome of the self-evaluation was a school development plan.", "title": "Categorisation of Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "School Categorisation System", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said the purpose of categorisation of schools was not to make a judgement on a schoolin the sense of a league table , but it was a triage system to identify levels of support for schools. In addition to that categorisation was intended to identify levels of support that a school could expect from its regional consortia. they tried to adapt categorisation away from pure data to a more formative process.", "title": "Purpose of School Categorisation System", "relevant_turns": [ 17, 19 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Qualification Wales", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM agreed with Qualification Wales. The qualification had to arise out of the curriculum .", "title": "Qualifications and The Curriculum.", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Qualification Wales", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said the qualifications should not dictate the curriculum. Qualification Wales would begin their national conversation on reform of qualifications in November.", "title": "Qualification Wales", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 36 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. We've got a lot of issues to cover, so I'm going to appeal for concise questions, concise answers. On to assessment, progression and accountability\u2014Suzy.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. We've set the scene. What was the feedback like with regard to the draft assessment proposals?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Excellent, concise question. [Laughter.]", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. Well, the principles were broadly supported, Suzy. We received what I would describe as positive feedback regarding the emphasis placed on ongoing assessment that is there to support children's learning and progression. Key messages were perhaps to find a better way of expressing the purposes of assessment\u2014we refer to a formative and summative assessment\u2014and just being a bit clearer about what that actually means and being clear about definitions around it. But, generally, supported.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. That's a good concise answer as well.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Yes, well done.", "Suzy Davies AM : Obviously, we're all aware now of the distinction between assessment of pupils for their own progression and the evaluation of how a school does at certain points in its life cycle as well. Presumably, the way you're looking at this is to keep these items completely separate, and that evaluation and assessment proposals will be\u2014. They're out in a separate document; their results are going to be coming forward in a separate document\u2014is that right? There's a thick black line between these two concepts.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, absolutely. I think some of the trouble that we've got ourselves in previously is because there has not been a clear distinction between assessment and accountability, and, when you start using assessment for accountability purposes, that's when, potentially, that assessment process gets corrupted and you have gaming.", "Suzy Davies AM : Can I ask, with the assessments, though, which is about pupil progression, will those results be published internally? Will parents get to see those?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Oh, yes. And that should be the purpose for assessment. The primary purpose for assessment is for that professional to be able to know how to move that child's educational journey on, and you would absolutely expect professionals to have those conversations with parents, whether they're using formative methods of assessment or summative methods of assessment. So, absolutely, you would expect teachers to be sharing information around assessment methods, whichever type they use, with parents, to describe and to inform parents about what happens next for their child.", "Suzy Davies AM : Right. I accept that. Is it realistic, then, to expect parents, families, communities, not to think about that information when they're drawing conclusions about the school, notwithstanding that formal evaluation of those schools is going to be done completely separately?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, of course, parents will always be interested in how the overall institution is doing. But the conversations I have with parents, and I certainly feel this myself as a parent\u2014I'm interested in how my child is doing, how my child is getting on in school, what are the issues that that child has, and, more importantly, what is the school going to do about it? So, if my child is struggling for whatever reason, what is the school going to do about that to help that child? If my child happens to be exceptionally able and talented, how are you as a school going to make the most of my child's talents and move them on to fulfil their potential? So, undoubtedly, I can't control assumptions that parents will make, but it is absolutely clear in this system, and my intention is, that teachers should share assessment methods and outcomes with parents to have that conversation about what happens next. But I am absolutely clear that we do have to make this distinction between assessment for learning and an accountability in the system, otherwise we drive\u2014inadvertently; people don't set out to do it, but we drive a set of behaviours that has negative unintended outcomes. We only have to look at the debacle around BTEC science to know that.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. I understand that. So, how\u2014? Can you just briefly give us an indication of how you think the accountability, on both sides of that thick black line\u2014the methodology\u2014is likely to change with this? You mentioned that there's going to be an independent review of performance measurements coming shortly; we know that some of the existing ones have been ditched in fairly recent legislation. Without pre-empting the findings of such a review, have you got your top three likely expected changes?", "Kirsty Williams AM : To accountability?", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes.", "Kirsty Williams AM : To accountability. Well, we're moving to a system of schools as learning organisations, and a greater emphasis on self-evaluation, with external verification of that by Estyn, our inspectors.", "Suzy Davies AM : And that will be reflected in the school categorisation system as well\u2014will those indicators change, do you think?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, categorisation\u2014again, the purpose for categorisation is not to make a judgment on a school in the sense of a league table; it's a triage process, categorisation.", "Suzy Davies AM : It's how it seen, though, sometimes.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, this is the issue, isn't it? This is the problem of designing a system where there are perfectly good reasons to introduce the system\u2014and in this case it's a triage system to identify levels of support for a school. But then others come along and turn it into something else that it was never intended to be. And categorisation was never intended to be a way of expressing a league table of school performances; it's there to identify levels of support that a school can expect from its regional consortia. Now, we have, we have\u2014we will continue to keep categorisation, but, since coming into office, we have tried to adapt categorisation simply away from pure data to a more formative assessment process, and categorisation will continue to evolve. The message is very clear: this is not to absolve our system of accountability. And the first level of accountability in that system has to be the professionalism of an individual member of staff\u2014the moral purpose that I bring to my classroom today to do right by the children that are in front of me. That's the first level of our accountability, and therefore we have our new teaching standards. As a leader, we have new leadership standards. That's the first part of our accountability regime\u2014the moral purpose our professionals bring to their work. So, categorisation will stay. Will it evolve? Yes, because it's been evolving over the last three years. This is about better accountability, smarter accountability, not less accountability.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. Well, just finally on that, there may be an argument, then, for scrapping categorisation, putting something else in place. But I suppose the core question is: how are the general public going to understand all those things that you've just mentioned about the teachers being able to teach, the leaders being able to lead, and how well a school is performing against KPIs on those measures?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, because we will still\u2014. We will still have inspections, won't we?", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. So, it's all going to go in through the Estyn reports. This is the kind of detail I'm after.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, that's the ultimate, isn't it? So, the ultimate is\u2014. The ultimate system that we're going to get to and the ultimate arbiter and the part of the system that provides public assurance and public confidence ultimately ends in Estyn. But it starts with our teaching standards and the professionalism of individual members of staff. That's where it starts, and it ends in Estyn.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. Will you just let me have this one?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Go on, then.", "Suzy Davies AM : I don't think I've quite followed that journey. Because I get the point of the end point being Estyn, and that's where the public assurance will be seen, but what about the public assurance at those early steps of the teaching standards and the leadership standards? Where will we see those demonstrated?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, you would expect to see those demonstrated in the self-evaluation that a school will provide of itself, and then Estyn\u2014", "Suzy Davies AM : All right, so schools will be publishing self-evaluations annually, or something like that?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, schools\u2014", "Steve Davies : The outcome of the self-evaluation is a school development plan. We expect those to be considerably enhanced.", "Kirsty Williams AM : And available.", "Steve Davies : We expect a series of priorities for a school to set itself as a result of prioritisation. We expect that to be published through the school website, so the outcomes of that. What we're looking at, in terms of what's brought to that, is not a narrow set of measures\u2014just two measures, or one measure in a secondary school. The measures will still consider reflection on progress of children, but it'll also have reviews of mental health, well-being, how it approaches that and things that it wanted to do. It's broadening the evidence base. The school is evaluating\u2014the outcome of that will be a development plan, annually published on the website. Within the plan, they will have a set area of priorities that they will be publishing.", "Kirsty Williams AM : And the schools' ability\u2014whether they do that well or whether they don't do it well\u2014will be judged by Estyn.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay, thank you. That's really helpful.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, as my colleague Chair Dai Lloyd would say, 'Now we're into the needing serious agility territory'. So, we've got some questions on specific areas. Firstly from me: Qualifications Wales have told us that the curriculum must define qualifications rather than the other way around. What implications does that have for the amount of time that is needed to develop qualifications that are properly aligned with the new curriculum?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, I'd absolutely agree with Qualifications Wales. The qualifications have to arise out of the curriculum, and the qualifications should not be dictating the curriculum. Qualifications Wales, which I met with yesterday, I think\u2014yes, yesterday; it seems a long time ago\u2014will begin their national conversation about reform of qualifications as a result of curriculum reform in November." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 54, "turns": [ 60, 280 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "word error rate", "speaker": "A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F said they just noticed that the way the final score was computed was quite funny. It was not a mean of word error rate, nor a weighted mean of word rate, it was a weighted means of improvement. PhD F said if you had a small improvement or a small if on the well-matched case it would have a huge influence on the improvement compared to the reference system. Professor A asked if they did improvements rather than word error rate.", "title": "Computation of the Final Score", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 109 ], [ 114, 122 ], [ 128, 134 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "word error rate", "speaker": "Professor A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F; not a mean of word error rate; not a weighted mean of word error rate, a weighted mean of improvements; Professor A; rather than word error rate? PhD F; an improvement on the word error rate. Professor A; the notion of relative improvement. Professor A; we should be looking at word error rate and not at accuracies.", "title": "Computation of the Final Score", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 109 ], [ 114, 122 ], [ 128, 134 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD F , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD F talked of being able to change transition probabilities for the first HMM to eighty-nine from the seventy-eight percent recognition system. PhD B had looked at the results when Stephane did that, found it really happened. PhD B talked of the difference that could be changed by a certain fraction of a percent.", "title": "The Ten Percent Change", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 24 ], [ 31, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD F , PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD F asked about a tenth of a percent. They had tried point one. PhD B talked of one changing at point one, and not a tenth of a percent, but one-tenth. A better ten percent was obtained.", "title": "Points and the Percentage Obtained", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 24 ], [ 31, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "number", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B said it was a better match and thought if they made a better silence model it would help a lot. PhD B talked of wanting to check out the number of mixtures per state before increasing them. Also, PhD B said in their default training script they did an initial set of three reestimation and then built the silence model and they did seven iterations, they finally added mixtures and did another seven then they added the mixtures and did a final set of seven and they quit. According to PhD B, seven seemed like a lot and it made the experiments take a long duration to do. One turn of the well-matched cases took approximately a day.", "title": "Time Taken for Running Experiments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "number", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B; in trying to run these experiments, it's difficult to find machines, compute the run on; I compiled HTK for the Linux machines; PhD B; I'm you can run stuff on that and that really helps a lot because now we've got you to know, extra machines that we can use for computing. PhD B; experiment with cutting down the number of iterations before I increased the number of Gaussians.", "title": "Machines for Running the Experiments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improvement", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F talked about the computation of the final score as being funny, and it was not a mean of word error rate, nor a weighted mean of word error rate but a weighted mean of improvements. PhD F spoke of it being a weighted mean of improvement. PhD F explained the weight of the well-matched case. The reference system was quite good for the well-matched cases and that was why it had a huge influence on the improvement in comparison to the reference. PhD F said it was the weighting of the improvement not of the error rate.", "title": "Mean of Improvements Computation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improvement", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F meant a huge improvement could be obtained on the HMK, like five percent, it would not almost affect the final score because the improvement relative to the baseline was small. It's an improvement on the word error rate.", "title": "Improving the HMK", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "baseline system", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B spoke of noticing something, thought that Morgan had suggested in the previous meeting, and talked about the results of counting as one point eight million and less than forty thousand parameters in the baseline system and concluded compared to how much training data it was very few parameters.", "title": "Number of Parameters and Frames According to PhD B", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 81 ], [ 90, 98 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "baseline system", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B said it was difficult to find machines to compute the run on, and compiled for HTK for the Linux machines, and had IBM that had five processors on it. PhD B talked of changing the number of iterations from seven to three while running an experiment, just to see how it affected the baseline system. If they could get away with doing just three, they could do more experiments much quicker.", "title": "Effect of the Experiments on the Baseline System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 81 ], [ 90, 98 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "sampling", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F was wondering why the PDA was always so far and said since the last meeting they had tried to put together the clean low-pass downsampling, upsampling, and meant the new filter that was replacing the LDA filters and the delay issue. They put together all that and they had results that were not impressive after they considered the delay on the issue for the online normalization. There was no real improvement.", "title": "Downsampling and Upsampling for On-line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], [ 181, 185 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "sampling", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F spoke of the points for Finnish and Spanish initial and final results and guessed the filter with the shortest delay hurt on Italian well-matched. Other things like downsampling, upsampling seemed to hurt the new online normalization.", "title": "Downsampling and Upsampling for On-line Normalization", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], [ 181, 185 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mixtures", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B talked of having done one quick experiment to make sure everything worked out and for all the digit models, they end up at three mixtures per state. A quick experiment was done and changed so it went to four. The group was going to run it again but with many more mixtures per state. PhD B thought after what they saw, one could have four times as many parameters.", "title": "Number of Mixtures per State", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "mixtures", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B talked of the case where it had a better score the silence model's duration was much longer and it was like a better match. Though if they made a better silence model it would help a lot of the cases. Before increasing the number of mixtures per state in their default training script, they did an initial set of three reestimation and then built the silence model and did seven iterations then added mixtures, then did a final set of seven, and quit.", "title": "Number of Mixtures per State", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mismatch", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F said it seemed better when they looked at the mismatched case but thought they were cheated there by the problem. Modifying the initial conditions slightly in some cases, one ended up completely somewhere else in the space parameters. Gave an example of another system, Italian has a seventy-eight percent recognition rate on the mismatch. The new system had eighty-nine. However, PhD F did not think it meant that the new system was more robust.", "title": "Comparison of the Recognition Rate", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 16 ], [ 61, 72 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mismatch", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F; for the mismatched case, the far microphone training and testing, highly mismatched, training is done on the close microphone; problem of local minima probably; for the well-match; the mismatch is the more difficult for the training part.", "title": "Microphone Training and Testing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 16 ], [ 61, 72 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "iterations", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B said they did seven iterations then added mixtures and did another seven iterations then added mixtures and did a final set of seven then quit. It was hard to find machines to run the computing. One could run stuff on that and helped a lot because of the extra machines that they could use for computing. PhD B also talked about doing an experiment and changing the number of iterations.", "title": "Number of Iterations to be Done", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 101 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "iterations", "speaker": "PhD B" }, "summary": "PhD B; just to see how it affects the baseline system. And so if we can get away with just doing three, we can do many more experiments more quickly. And if it's not a huge difference from running with seven iterations, you know, we should be able to get a lot more experiments done; I'll let you know what happens with that. But if we can you know, run all of these back - ends with many fewer iterations and on Linux boxes, we should be able to get a lot more experimenting done; So I wanted to experiment with cutting down the number of iterations before I increased the number of Gaussians.", "title": "Number of Iterations to be Done", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 101 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD F : Uh , yeah . Yeah , at first I had a remark why {disfmarker} I am wondering why the PDA is always so far . I mean we are always meeting at the {vocalsound} beginning of the table and {vocalsound} the PDA 's there .", "Professor A : Uh . I guess cuz we haven't wanted to move it . We {disfmarker} we could {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we could move us ,", "PhD F : Yeah ?", "Professor A : and .", "PhD F : OK .", "Grad E : That 's right .", "PhD F : Well , anyway . Um . Yeah , so . Uh . Since the last meeting we 've {disfmarker} we 've tried to put together um {vocalsound} the clean low - pass um downsampling , upsampling , I mean , Uh the new filter that 's replacing the LDA filters , and also {vocalsound} the um delay issue so that {disfmarker} We considered th the {disfmarker} the delay issue on the {disfmarker} for the on - line normalization . Mmm . So we 've put together all this and then we have results that are not um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} very impressive . Well , there is no {vocalsound} real improvement .", "Professor A : But it 's not wer worse and it 's better {disfmarker} better latency ,", "PhD F : It 's not {disfmarker}", "Professor A : right ?", "PhD F : Yeah . Yeah . Well . Actually it 's better . It seems better when we look at the mismatched case but {vocalsound} I think we are like {disfmarker} like cheated here by the {disfmarker} th this problem that {vocalsound} uh in some cases when you modify slight {disfmarker} slightly modify the initial condition you end up {vocalsound} completely somewhere air somewhere else in the {disfmarker} in the space , {vocalsound} the parameters .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : So . Well . The other system are for instance . For Italian is at seventy - eight {vocalsound} percent recognition rate on the mismatch , and this new system has eighty - nine . But I don't think it indicates something , really . I don't {disfmarker} I don't think it means that the new system is more robust", "Professor A : Uh - huh .", "PhD F : or {disfmarker} It 's simply the fact that {disfmarker} Well .", "Professor A : Well , the test would be if you then tried it on one of the other test sets , if {disfmarker} if it was {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Y", "Professor A : Right . So this was Italian , right ?", "PhD F : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor A : So then if you take your changes", "PhD F : It 's similar for other test sets", "Professor A : and then {disfmarker}", "PhD F : but I mean {vocalsound} from this se seventy - eight um percent recognition rate system , {vocalsound} I could change the transition probabilities for the {disfmarker} the first HMM and {pause} it will end up to eighty - nine also .", "Professor A : Uh - huh .", "PhD F : By using point five instead of point six , point four {vocalsound} as in the {disfmarker} the HTK script .", "Professor A : Uh - huh . Yeah .", "PhD F : So . Well . That 's {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Yeah . Yeah I looked at um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} looked at the results when Stephane did that", "PhD F : Well . Eh uh {disfmarker}", "PhD B : and it 's {disfmarker} it 's really wo really happens .", "PhD F : This really happens .", "PhD B : I mean th the only difference is you change the self - loop transition probability by a tenth of a percent", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD B : and it causes ten percent difference in the word error rate .", "Professor A : A tenth of a per cent .", "PhD B : Yeah . From point {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Even tenth of a percent ?", "PhD B : I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry", "PhD F : Well , we tried {disfmarker} we tried point one ,", "PhD B : f for point {disfmarker} from {disfmarker} You change at point one", "PhD F : yeah .", "Professor A : Oh !", "PhD B : and n not tenth of a percent , one tenth ,", "PhD F : Hmm .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD B : alright ? Um so from point five {disfmarker} so from point six to point five and you get ten percent better .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : And it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it 's what you basically hypothesized in the last meeting {vocalsound} about uh it just being very {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : and I think you mentioned this in your email too {disfmarker} it 's just very um {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mmm , yeah .", "PhD B : you know get stuck in some local minimum and this thing throws you out of it I guess .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Well , what 's {disfmarker} what are {disfmarker} according to the rules what {disfmarker} what are we supposed to do about the transition probabilities ? Are they supposed to be point five or point six ?", "PhD B : I think you 're not allowed to {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's supposed to be point six , for the self - loop .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : Point {disfmarker} It 's supposed to be point six .", "PhD B : Yeah . But changing it to point five I think is {disfmarker} which gives you much better results , but that 's {vocalsound} not allowed .", "Professor A : But not allowed ? Yeah . OK .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah , but even if you use point five , I 'm not sure it will always give you the better results", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD F : on other test set or it", "PhD B : Right . We only tested it on the {disfmarker} the medium mismatch ,", "PhD F : on the other training set , I mean .", "PhD B : right ? You said on the other cases you didn't notice {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah . But . I think , yeah . I think the reason is , yeah , I not I {disfmarker} it was in my mail I think also , {vocalsound} is the fact that the mismatch is trained only on the far microphone . Well , in {disfmarker} for the mismatched case everything is um using the far microphone training and testing , whereas for the highly mismatched , training is done on the close microphone so {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's clean speech basically so you don't have this problem of local minima probably and for the well - match , it 's a mix of close microphone and distant microphone and {disfmarker} Well .", "PhD B : I did notice uh something {disfmarker}", "PhD F : So th I think the mismatch is the more difficult for the training part .", "PhD B : Somebody , I think it was Morgan , suggested at the last meeting that I actually count to see {vocalsound} how many parameters and how many frames .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : And there are uh almost one point eight million frames of training data and less than forty thousand parameters in the baseline system .", "Professor A : Hmm .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD B : So it 's very , very few parameters compared to how much training data .", "Professor A : Well . Yes .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : So . And that {disfmarker} that says that we could have lots more parameters actually .", "PhD B : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : I did one quick experiment just to make sure I had everything worked out and I just {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh f for most of the um {disfmarker} For {disfmarker} for all of the digit models , they end up at three mixtures per state . And so I just did a quick experiment , where I changed it so it went to four and um {vocalsound} it it {disfmarker} it didn't have a r any significant effect at the uh medium mismatch and high mismatch cases and it had {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it was just barely significant for the well - matched better . Uh so I 'm r gonna run that again but {vocalsound} um with many more uh mixtures per state .", "Professor A : Yeah . Cuz at forty thou I mean you could you could have uh {disfmarker} Yeah , easily four times as many {vocalsound} parameters .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm . And I think also {vocalsound} just seeing what we saw {vocalsound} uh in terms of the expected duration of the silence model ? when we did this tweaking of the self - loop ? The silence model expected duration was really different .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD B : And so in the case where {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} it had a better score , the silence model expected duration was much longer .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD B : So it was like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it was a better match . I think {vocalsound} you know if we make a better silence model I think that will help a lot too um for a lot of these cases so but one one thing I {disfmarker} I wanted to check out before I increased the um {vocalsound} number of mixtures per state was {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} in their {vocalsound} default training script they do an initial set of three re - estimations and then they built the silence model and then they do seven iterations then the add mixtures and they do another seven then they add mixtures then they do a final set of seven and they quit . Seven seems like a lot to me and it also makes the experiments go take a really long time I mean to do one turn - around of the well matched case takes like a day .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : And so {vocalsound} you know in trying to run these experiments I notice , you know , it 's difficult to find machines , you know , compute the run on . And so one of the things I did was I compiled HTK for the Linux {vocalsound} machines", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : cuz we have this one from IBM that 's got like five processors in it ?", "Professor A : Right .", "PhD B : and so now I 'm {disfmarker} you can run stuff on that and that really helps a lot because now we 've got {vocalsound} you know , extra machines that we can use for compute . And if {disfmarker} I 'm do running an experiment right now where I 'm changing the number of iterations ? {vocalsound} from seven to three ?", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD B : just to see how it affects the baseline system . And so if we can get away with just doing three , we can do {vocalsound} many more experiments more quickly . And if it 's not a {disfmarker} a huge difference from running with seven iterations , {vocalsound} um , you know , we should be able to get a lot more experiments done .", "PhD F : Hmm .", "PhD B : And so . I 'll let you know what {disfmarker} what happens with that . But if we can {vocalsound} you know , run all of these back - ends f with many fewer iterations and {vocalsound} on Linux boxes we should be able to get a lot more experimenting done .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : So . So I wanted to experiment with cutting down the number of iterations before I {vocalsound} increased the number of Gaussians .", "Professor A : Right . Sorry . So um , how 's it going on the {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Um .", "Professor A : So . You {disfmarker} you did some things . They didn't improve things in a way that convinced you you 'd substantially improved anything .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : But they 're not making things worse and we have reduced latency , right ?", "PhD F : Yeah . But actually {disfmarker} um actually it seems to do a little bit worse for the well - matched case and we just noticed that {disfmarker} Yeah , actually the way the final score is computed is quite funny . It 's not a mean of word error rate . It 's not a weighted mean of word error rate , it 's a weighted mean of improvements .", "Professor A : Uh - huh .", "PhD F : So . Which means that {vocalsound} actually the weight on the well - matched is {disfmarker} Well I well what what {disfmarker} What happened is that if you have a small improvement or a small if on the well - matched case {vocalsound} it will have uh huge influence on the improvement compared to the reference because the reference system is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is quite good for {disfmarker} for the well - ma well - matched case also .", "PhD B : So it {disfmarker} it weights the improvement on the well - matched case really heavily compared to the improvement on the other cases ?", "PhD F : No , but it 's the weighting of the {disfmarker} of the improvement not of the error rate .", "PhD B : Yeah . Yeah , and it 's hard to improve on the {disfmarker} on the best case , cuz it 's already so good , right ?", "PhD F : Yeah but {pause} what I mean is that you can have a huge improvement on the H {disfmarker} HMK 's , uh like five percent uh absolute , and this will not affect the final score almost {disfmarker} Uh this will almost not affect the final score because {vocalsound} this improvement {disfmarker} because the improvement {vocalsound} uh relative to the {disfmarker} the baseline is small {disfmarker}", "Professor A : So they do improvement in terms of uh accuracy ? rather than word error rate ?", "PhD F : Uh . Uh improvement ?", "Professor A : So {disfmarker}", "PhD F : No , it 's compared to the word er it 's improvement on the word error rate ,", "Professor A : OK .", "PhD F : yeah . Sorry .", "Professor A : So if you have uh ten percent error and you get five percent absolute uh {vocalsound} improvement then that 's fifty percent .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : OK . So what you 're saying then is that if it 's something that has a small word error rate , {vocalsound} then uh a {disfmarker} even a relatively small improvement on it , in absolute terms , {vocalsound} will show up as quite {disfmarker} quite large in this .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : Is that what you 're saying ?", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : Yes .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor A : OK . But yeah that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} it 's the notion of relative improvement . Word error rate .", "PhD F : Yeah . Sure , but when we think about the weighting , which is point five , point three , point two , {vocalsound} it 's on absolute on {disfmarker} on relative figures ,", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : not {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : So when we look at this error rate", "Professor A : No . That 's why I 've been saying we should be looking at word error rate uh and {disfmarker} and not {disfmarker} not at {vocalsound} at accuracies .", "PhD F : uh {disfmarker} Mmm , yeah . Mmm , yeah .", "Professor A : It 's {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : I mean uh we probably should have standardized on that all the way through . It 's just {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Well .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD B : I mean , it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that different , right ? I mean , just subtract the accuracy .", "Professor A : Yeah but you 're {disfmarker} but when you look at the numbers , your sense of the relative size of things is quite different .", "PhD B : I mean {disfmarker} Oh . Oh , I see . Yeah .", "Professor A : If you had ninety percent uh correct {vocalsound} and five percent , five over ninety doesn't look like it 's a big difference , but {vocalsound} five over ten is {disfmarker} is big .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor A : So just when we were looking at a lot of numbers and {vocalsound} getting sense of what was important .", "PhD B : I see . I see . Yeah . That makes sense .", "Professor A : Um .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : Um .", "PhD F : Well anyway uh . So . Yeah . So it hurts a little bit on the well - match and yeah .", "Professor A : What 's a little bit ? Like {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Like , it 's difficult to say because again um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I 'm not sure I have the um {disfmarker}", "PhD B : Hey Morgan ? Do you remember that Signif program that we used to use for testing signi ? Is that still valid ? I {disfmarker} I 've been using that .", "Professor A : Yeah . Yeah , it was actually updated .", "PhD B : OK .", "Professor A : Uh . {vocalsound} Jeff updated it some years ago", "PhD B : Oh , it was . Oh , I shoul", "Professor A : and {disfmarker} and uh cleaned it up made some things better in it . So .", "PhD B : OK . I should find that new one . I just use my old one from {vocalsound} ninety - two or whatever", "Professor A : Yeah , I 'm sure it 's not that different but {disfmarker} but he {disfmarker} {vocalsound} he uh {disfmarker} he was a little more rigorous , as I recall .", "PhD B : OK .", "PhD F : Right . So it 's around , like , point five . No , point six {comment} uh percent absolute on Italian {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Worse .", "PhD F : Worse , yep .", "Professor A : Out of what ? I mean . s", "PhD F : Uh well we start from ninety - four point sixty - four , and we go to ninety - four point O four .", "Professor A : Uh - huh . So that 's six {disfmarker} six point th", "PhD F : Uh .", "PhD B : Ninety - three point six four , right ? is the baseline .", "PhD F : Oh , no , I 've ninety - four . Oh , the baseline , you mean .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "PhD F : Well I don't {disfmarker} I 'm not talking about the baseline here .", "PhD B : Oh . Oh . I 'm sorry .", "PhD F : I uh {disfmarker} My baseline is the submitted system .", "PhD B : Ah ! OK . Ah , ah .", "PhD F : Hmm .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD B : Sorry .", "PhD F : Oh yeah . For Finnish , we start to ninety - three point eight - four and we go to ninety - three point seventy - four . And for Spanish we are {disfmarker} we were at ninety - five point O five and we go to ninety - three - s point sixty one .", "Professor A : OK , so we are getting hurt somewhat .", "PhD F : So .", "Professor A : And is that wh what {disfmarker} do you know what piece {disfmarker} you 've done several changes here . Uh , do you know what pie", "PhD F : Yeah . I guess {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's the filter . Because nnn , well uh we don't have complete result , but the filter {disfmarker} So the filter with the shorter delay hurts on Italian well - matched , which {disfmarker} And , yeah . And the other things , like um {vocalsound} downsampling , upsampling , don't seem to hurt and {vocalsound} the new on - line normalization , neither .", "PhD B : I 'm {disfmarker}", "PhD F : So .", "PhD B : I 'm really confused about something . If we saw that making a small change like , you know , a tenth , to the self - loop had a huge effect , {vocalsound} can we really make any conclusions about differences in this stuff ?", "PhD F : Mm - hmm . Yeah that 's th Yeah .", "PhD B : I mean , especially when they 're this small . I mean .", "PhD F : I think we can be completely fooled by this thing , but {disfmarker} I don't know .", "Professor A : Well , yeah .", "PhD F : So . There is first this thing , and then the {disfmarker} yeah , I computed the um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} like , the confidence level on the different test sets . And for the well - matched they are around um {vocalsound} point six uh percent . For the mismatched they are around like let 's say one point five percent . And for the well - m uh HM they are also around one point five .", "Professor A : But {disfmarker} OK , so you {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these degradations you were talking about were on the well - matched case", "PhD F : So .", "Professor A : Uh . Do the {disfmarker} does the new filter make things uh better or worse for the other cases ?", "PhD F : Yeah . But . Uh . About the same . It doesn't hurt . Yeah .", "Professor A : Doesn't hurt , but doesn't get a little better , or something .", "PhD F : No .", "Professor A : No . OK , so {vocalsound} um I guess the argument one might make is that , \" Yeah , if you looked at one of these cases {vocalsound} and you jiggle something and it changes {vocalsound} then uh you 're not quite sure what to make of it . But when you look across a bunch of these and there 's some {disfmarker} some pattern , um {disfmarker} I mean , so eh h here 's all the {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if in all these different cases {vocalsound} it never gets better , and there 's significant number of cases where it gets worse , {vocalsound} then you 're probably {pause} hurting things , {vocalsound} I would say . So um {vocalsound} I mean at the very least that would be a reasonably prediction of what would happen with {disfmarker} with a different test set , that you 're not jiggling things with . So I guess the question is if you can do better than this . If you can {disfmarker} if we can approximate {vocalsound} the old numbers while still keeping the latency down .", "PhD F : Mmm . Yeah .", "Professor A : Uh , so . Um . What I was asking , though , is uh {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} what 's the level of communication with uh {vocalsound} the O G I gang now , about this and {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Well , we are exchanging mail as soon as we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we have significant results .", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD F : Um . Yeah . For the moment , they are working on integrating {vocalsound} the um {vocalsound} spectral subtraction apparently from Ericsson .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Um . Yeah . And so . Yeah . We are working on our side on other things like {vocalsound} uh also trying a sup spectral subtraction but of {disfmarker} of our own , I mean , another {vocalsound} spectral substraction .", "Professor A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Um . Yeah . So I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's OK . It 's going {disfmarker}", "Professor A : Is there any further discussion about this {disfmarker} this idea of {disfmarker} of having some sort of source code control ?", "PhD F : Yeah . Well . For the moment they 're {disfmarker} uh everybody 's quite um {disfmarker} There is this Eurospeech deadline , so .", "Professor A : I see .", "PhD F : Um . And . Yeah . But yeah . As soon as we have something that 's significant and that 's better than {disfmarker} than what was submitted , we will fix {disfmarker} fix the system and {disfmarker} But we 've not discussed it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} this yet , yeah .", "Professor A : Yeah . Sounds like a great idea but {disfmarker} but I think that {disfmarker} that um {vocalsound} he 's saying people are sort of scrambling for a Eurospeech deadline .", "PhD F : Mmm .", "Professor A : But that 'll be uh , uh done in a week . So , maybe after {vocalsound} this next one .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD B : Wow ! Already a week ! Man !", "Professor A : Yeah .", "PhD B : You 're right . That 's amazing ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 78, "turns": [ 712, 1001 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interface , statistical system , alignment", "speaker": "Postdoc F , Professor G" }, "summary": "Postdoc F mentioned Andreas had the idea of having less of an interface. Professor G mentioned that in principle it was starting with a statistical system, then aligning things, and eventually having something good. A good alignment reduced human work.", "title": "Postdoc F's View on Having Less Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "interface , statistical system , alignment", "speaker": "Postdoc F , Professor G" }, "summary": "Postdoc F mentioned Andreas had the idea of having less of an interface. Professor G mentioned that IBM probably used an elaborated interface because they might have done some alignments. Professor G mentioned that in principle one starts with a statistical system, then aligning things, and eventually having something good. Professor G stated that having a good aligner helped a lot. Having a good starting point helped the aligner, and having a good aligner helped the human in saving time correcting things.", "title": "Postdoc F's View on Having Less Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bottom line , harmonicity , suggestions", "speaker": "Professor G" }, "summary": "Professor G mentioned it was not worth moving forward if that was the bottom line. Professor G then proceeded to make two suggestions., mentioning that the energy was not reliable as an indicator or the pitch-related things and harmonicity as an indicator. Professor G suggested looking at it from the aspect of modeling, having two Markov models.", "title": "Professor G's Suggestions to PhD D", "relevant_turns": [ [ 77, 108 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bottom line , harmonicity , suggestions", "speaker": "Professor G" }, "summary": "Professor G mentioned it was not worth moving forward if that was the bottom line. Professor G then suggested two things. First, it looked like PHD D did not find an obvious way to normalize so the energy was not a reliable indicator of the overlap. Professor G thought that was funny because those things were supposed to work, and thought that was not necessary to keep knocking at it if there were no good results. Second, the pitch-related things and harmonicity should have been some kind of reasonable indicators as it was suggested by the colleagues in Spain. Professor G suggested looking at it from the aspect of modeling, having a couple of Markov models.", "title": "Professor G's Suggestions to PhD D", "relevant_turns": [ [ 77, 108 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "javier , silence", "speaker": "Grad A , Professor G , PhD D" }, "summary": "Professor G mentioned that Javier's system had the limitation of only looking at silences, then asked PhD D if has looked at Javier's speech segmenter. The idea was to look at silences as a putative split point between speakers, but if added by PhD D could have created overlap classes. Grad A said Javier's system might be able to represent overlap with the detector PhD D was using. PhD D asked what was the possibility of using Javier's software and then suggested doing an experiment.", "title": "Discussion about PhD D Using Javier's System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 112 ], [ 129, 138 ], 141, 147, 151, 172, [ 175, 177 ], 192, 248, 254, 257, 271 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "javier , silence", "speaker": "Grad A , Professor G , PhD D" }, "summary": "Professor G mentioned that Javier's system had the limitation of only looking at silences and that perhaps if they used another method to get the first pass, it would probably work, then asked if PhD D has looked at Javier's speech segmenter, to which PhD answered no. The idea of Javier's system was to look at silences as a putative split point between speakers. Professor G thought that if Javier's system was added by PhD D it could have created overlap classes. Grad A said Javier's system might be able to represent overlap with PhD D's detector. PhD D thought of an experiment to see what happened to the clustering process after using Javier's classifier. Grad A mentioned that there would be something wrong if the segmentation did not work.", "title": "Discussion about PhD D Using Javier's System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 112 ], [ 129, 138 ], 141, 147, 151, 172, [ 175, 177 ], 192, 248, 254, 257, 271 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "gaussian , segments", "speaker": "Grad A , PhD D , Professor G" }, "summary": "PhD D asked if overlap could be represented by the detector used. Grad A thought Javier's system was capable since it had a Gaussian model. Professor G mentioned Javier's system just computes Gaussian segments over potential. Grad A said it worked fine.", "title": "Explanation of Javier's System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 195 ], [ 254, 256 ], 277 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "gaussian , segments", "speaker": "Grad A , PhD D , Professor G" }, "summary": "PhD D asked if overlap could be represented by the detector used. Grad A thought Javier's system was capable since it did not have the same Gaussian-HMM model. Professor G mentioned that Javier's system just computes Gaussian over potential. Grad A said it would have worked well for detecting overlap because it had a two-pass issue. The first pass was guessing the divisions and then overestimating, having a reduction step. Grad A believed it was a good method as long as the segments were long enough.", "title": "Explanation of Javier's System", "relevant_turns": [ [ 141, 195 ], [ 254, 256 ], 277 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "delta , combination , statistical component", "speaker": "Professor G" }, "summary": "Professor G thought the energy problem was not as easy as it sounded, asked if it was a delta of the combination of energies, suggesting a Markov model, looking at the statistical component.", "title": "Professor G's Recap on PhD D's Problems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 233, 253 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "delta , combination , statistical component", "speaker": "Professor G" }, "summary": "Professor G, been exploring, energy issue, not as simple as it sounds; energy?, log energy?, LPC residual energy?, delta of those things?, should there be a long window for the normalizing factor, so far, has not come up with any combination that really gave, an indicator; focus on for the remaining; wanna get something to work; suggesting, Markov models, looking at the statistical component.", "title": "Professor G's Recap on PhD D's Problems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 233, 253 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "classifier , overlapping zone , hand", "speaker": "PhD D , Grad A" }, "summary": "PhD D suggested an experiment to see what happens to the second step, the clustering process, after using Javier's or Thilo's classifiers. Grad A thought it would be helpful to see if it worked by hand.", "title": "Discussion on Segmentation by Hand", "relevant_turns": [ 120, [ 254, 276 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "classifier , overlapping zone , hand", "speaker": "PhD D , Grad A" }, "summary": "PhD D suggested an experiment to see what happens to the second step, the clustering process, after using Javier's or Thilo's classifiers. PhD D mentioned that if they developed a classifier and the second step did not work, then they would have another problem. Grad A tried doing it by hand with a very short sample, and it worked pretty well, doing a hand-segmented sample and then adding ten times the amount of numbers at random. PhD D asked if that was enough to get information about the overlapping. Grad A said that if they fed the hand-segmentation to Javier's, and it did not work, they would know if there was something wrong. Also thought it was worthwhile doing.", "title": "Discussion on Segmentation by Hand", "relevant_turns": [ [ 254, 276 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "board , discontinuity , sequence in the spectrum", "speaker": "Professor G , PhD C" }, "summary": "Professor mentioned PhD C had two categories with markov models and asked if there could be a third class. PhD C thought it was not easy, but could be possible. Professor G mentioned it should have been some discontinuity in pitch explained by a sequence in the spectrum.", "title": "Discussion on Having a Third Class", "relevant_turns": [ [ 202, 226 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "board , discontinuity , sequence in the spectrum", "speaker": "Professor G , PhD C" }, "summary": "Professor mentioned PhD C had two categories with markov models and asked if there could be a third class. PhD C thought it was not easy doing the transition between different classes and modeling with the system they had. However, PhD C thought it could be possible. Professor G thought they were doing something they haven't done before and suggested looking at the space and understanding. Professor G mentioned dit should have been some discontinuity in pitch contours and an overall smaller proportion of the total energy explained by a sequence in the spectrum.", "title": "Discussion on Having a Third Class", "relevant_turns": [ [ 202, 226 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor G , Grad A" }, "summary": "Professor G expressed concern about doing digits. Grad A thought they could skip doing digits. Professor G said that more digits meant more data, which actually was good.", "title": "Concern about Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 61 ], [ 285, 287 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor G , Grad A" }, "summary": "Digits were not skipped, the more data, the better.", "title": "Concern about Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 61 ], [ 285, 287 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different energy , valleys , peaks", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D had a problem with the parameter, because valleys and peaks meant different energy in signal.", "title": "PhD D's Energy Problem", "relevant_turns": [ [ 67, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy , valleys , peaks", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD had the results of the study of different energy without the law length, in the measurement, the average, dividing by the variance. PhD D also shared the problem with parameter representation. PhD D mentioned the valleys and peaks in the signal did not follow the energy in the signal, having a problem with scale, the bottom line was not separated very well.", "title": "PhD D's Energy Problem", "relevant_turns": [ [ 67, 80 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech class , general feature , pitch tracker", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D thought Thilo could work with a class other than speech class (nonspeech and speech), suggested a fast experiment to prove that the problem could have been solved by general features. PhD D also prepared a pitch tracker, hoping to have some results for the week after, to track the parameter and the pitch with the program.", "title": "Idea of Thilo Working with a New Class", "relevant_turns": [ 99, [ 118, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech class , general feature , pitch tracker", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D thought Thilo could work with a class other than a speech class, suggesting experimenting to prove general features could have solved the problem. PhD D prepared a pitch tracker and was hpoping to get results after a week after.", "title": "Idea of Thilo Working with a New Class", "relevant_turns": [ 99, [ 118, 127 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Postdoc F : or whatever . So , um .", "Professor G : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : I think it would also be interesting to have , uh , a couple of the meetings have more than one transcriber do ,", "Professor G : Yeah .", "Grad A : cuz I 'm curious about inter - annotator agreement .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : OK . Yeah . Th - that 'd be {disfmarker} I think that 's a {disfmarker} a good idea .", "Professor G : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : You know , there 's also , the e In my mind , I think A An - Andreas was {pause} leading to this topic , the idea that , um , {vocalsound} we haven't yet seen the {disfmarker} the type of transcript that we get from IBM , and it may just be , you know , pristine . But on the other hand , given the lesser interface {disfmarker} Cuz this is , you know {disfmarker} we 've got a good interface , we 've got great headphones , m um {disfmarker}", "Professor G : It could be that they will uh {disfmarker} theirs will end up being a kind of fir first pass or something .", "Postdoc F : Something like that .", "Professor G : Maybe an elaborate one , cuz again they probably are gonna do these alignments , which will also clear things up .", "Postdoc F : That 's {disfmarker} that 's true . Al - although you have to s Don't you have to start with a close enough approximation {nonvocalsound} of the {disfmarker} of the verbal part {nonvocalsound} to be able to {disfmarker} ?", "Professor G : Well , tha that 's {disfmarker} that 's debatable .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor G : Right ? I mean , so the {disfmarker} so the argument is that if your statistical system is good {vocalsound} it will in fact , uh , clean things up .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor G : Right ? So it it 's got its own objective criterion .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : And , uh , so in principle you could start up with something that was kind of rough {disfmarker} I mean , to give an example of , um , something we used to do , uh , at one point , uh , back {disfmarker} back when Chuck was here in early times , is we would take , um , {vocalsound} da take a word and , uh , have a canonical pronunciation and , uh , if there was five phones in a word , {vocalsound} you 'd break up the word , {vocalsound} uh , into five equal - length pieces which is completely gross .", "Grad A : Wrong .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : Right ? I mean , th the timing is off {pause} all over the place in just about any word .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm . OK .", "Professor G : But it 's O K . You start off with that and the statistical system then aligns things , and eventually you get something that doesn't really look too bad .", "Postdoc F : Oh , excellent . OK .", "Professor G : So {disfmarker} so I think using a {disfmarker} a good {pause} aligner , um , actually can {disfmarker} can help a lot . Um . {vocalsound} But , uh , you know , they both help each other . If you have a {disfmarker} if you have a better starting point , then it helps the aligner . If you have a good alignment , it helps the , uh , th the human in {disfmarker} in taking less time to correct things .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor G : So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Excellent . I guess there 's another aspect , too , and I don't know {disfmarker} uh , this {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} very possibly a different , uh , topic . But , {nonvocalsound} uh , just let me say {pause} with reference to this idea of , um , {vocalsound} higher - order organization within meetings . So like in a {disfmarker} you know , the topics that are covered during a meeting with reference to the other , uh , uses of the data ,", "Professor G : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : so being able to {pause} find where so - and - so talked about such - and - such , then , um , um {disfmarker} e I mean , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I did sort of a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a rough {pause} pass {nonvocalsound} on encoding , like , episode - like level things on the , uh , transcribed meeting {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : already transcribed meeting . And I don't know if , um {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : where {nonvocalsound} that {disfmarker} i if that 's something that we wanna do with each meeting , sort of like a , um {disfmarker} it 's like a manifest , when you get a box full of stuff , or {disfmarker} or if that 's , um {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : I mean , i I {disfmarker} I don't know what uh , level of detail would be most useful . I don't know i if that 's something that {pause} I should do when I look over it , or if we want someone else to do , or whatever .", "Professor G : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : But this issue of the contents of the meeting in an outline form . OK .", "Professor G : Yeah . Meaning really isn't my thing . Um {disfmarker}", "Grad A : I think it just {disfmarker} whoever is interested can do that . I mean , so if someone wants to use that data {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor G : We 're running a little short here .", "Postdoc F : That 's fine .", "Professor G : We , uh , uh , cou trying to {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : I 'm finished .", "Professor G : eh , was {disfmarker} p Well , you know , the thing I 'm concerned about is we wanted to do these digits", "Postdoc F : Oh , yeah .", "Professor G : and {disfmarker} and I haven't heard , uh , from Jose yet .", "Postdoc F : Oh , yes .", "PhD D : OK . What do you want ?", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor G : So {disfmarker}", "Grad A : We could skip the digits .", "Professor G : Uh {disfmarker}", "Grad A : We don't have to read digits each time .", "Professor G : Uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it {disfmarker} you know , another {disfmarker} another bunch of digits . More data is good .", "Grad A : OK .", "PhD D : Yeah . Sure .", "Professor G : So {disfmarker} so I 'd like to do that . But I think , do you , maybe , eh {disfmarker} ? Did you prepare some whole thing you wanted us just to see ?", "PhD D : Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's prepared .", "Professor G : Or what was that ? Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Oh , k Sorry .", "Professor G : Uh , how long a {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's fast , because , uh , I have the results , eh , of the study of different energy without the law length . Eh , um , eh , in the {disfmarker} in the measurement , uh , the average , uh , dividing by the {disfmarker} by the , um , variance . Um , I {disfmarker} th i", "Professor G : Yeah .", "PhD D : the other , uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the last w uh , meeting {disfmarker} eh , I don't know if you remain we have problem to {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with {disfmarker} with the parameter {disfmarker} with the representations of parameter , because the {disfmarker} the valleys and the peaks in the signal , eh , look like , eh , it doesn't follow to the {disfmarker} to the energy in the signal .", "Professor G : Yes . Right .", "PhD D : And it was a problem , uh , with the scale .", "Grad A : With what ?", "PhD D : Eh , the scale .", "Postdoc F : Scale .", "Grad A : Scale .", "PhD D : Eh , and I {disfmarker} I change the scale and we can see the {disfmarker} the variance .", "Professor G : OK . But the bottom line is it 's still not , uh , separating out very well .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor G : Right ?", "PhD D : The distribution {disfmarker} the distribution is {disfmarker} is similar .", "Professor G : OK . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's enough then . OK .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : No , I mean , that there 's no point in going through all of that if that 's the bottom line , really .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : So , I {disfmarker} I think we have to start {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , there there 's two suggestions , really , which is , uh {disfmarker} what we said before is that ,", "PhD D : Mmm , yeah .", "Professor G : um , it looks like , at least that you haven't found an obvious way to normalize so that the energy is anything like a reliable , uh , indicator of the overlap .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor G : Um , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm still {pause} a little f think that 's a little funny . These things l @ @ seems like there should be ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but you don't want to keep , uh {disfmarker} keep knocking at it if it 's {disfmarker} if you 're not getting any {disfmarker} any result with that . But , I mean , the other things that we talked about is , uh , {vocalsound} pitch - related things and harmonicity - related things ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : so {disfmarker} which we thought also should be some kind of a reasonable indicator . Um {disfmarker} But , uh , a completely different tack on it wou is the one that was suggested , uh , by your colleagues in Spain ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : which is to say , don't worry so much about the , uh , features .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : That is to say , use , you know , as {disfmarker} as you 're doing with the speech , uh , nonspeech , use some very general features .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : And , uh , then , uh , look at it more from the aspect of modeling .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : You know , have a {disfmarker} have a couple Markov models and {disfmarker} and , uh , try to indi try to determine , you know , w when is th when are you in an overlap , when are you not in an overlap .", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor G : And let the , uh , uh , statistical system {pause} determine what 's the right way to look at the data .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : I {disfmarker} I , um , I think it would be interesting to find individual features and put them together . I think that you 'd end up with a better system overall .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : But given the limitation in time {vocalsound} and given the fact that Javier 's system already exists {pause} doing this sort of thing ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : uh , but , uh , its main limitation is that , again , it 's only looking at silences which would {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor G : maybe that 's a better place to go .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor G : So .", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that , eh , the possibility , eh , can be that , eh , Thilo , eh , working , eh , with a new class , not only , eh , nonspeech and speech , but , eh , in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the speech class ,", "Professor G : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : dividing , eh , speech , eh , of {disfmarker} from a speaker and overlapping , to try {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to do , eh , eh , a fast {disfmarker} a fast , eh , {vocalsound} experiment to {disfmarker} to prove that , nnn , this fea eh , general feature , {vocalsound} eh , can solve the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the problem ,", "Professor G : Yeah .", "PhD D : and wh what {disfmarker} nnn , how far is {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Maybe . Yeah .", "PhD D : And , I {disfmarker} I have prepared the {disfmarker} the pitch tracker now .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : And I hope the {disfmarker} the next week I will have , eh , some results and we {disfmarker} we will show {disfmarker} we will see , eh , the {disfmarker} the parameter {disfmarker} the pitch , {vocalsound} eh , tracking in {disfmarker} with the program .", "Professor G : I see .", "PhD D : And , nnn , nnn {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Ha - h have you ever looked at the , uh , uh {disfmarker} Javier 's , uh , speech segmenter ?", "PhD C : No . No .", "PhD D : No .", "Professor G : Oh . Maybe m you could , you kn uh show Thilo that .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah . Sure .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : Cuz again the idea is there {disfmarker} the limitation there again was that he was {disfmarker} he was only using it to look at silence as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker} as a p putative split point between speakers .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : But if you included , uh , broadened classes then {pause} in principle maybe you can {pause} cover the overlap cases .", "PhD C : OK .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah , but I 'm not too sure if {disfmarker} if we can {pause} really represent {vocalsound} overlap with {disfmarker} with the s {pause} detector I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I used up to now ,", "PhD D : Mmm , yeah .", "Professor G : Uh {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : I think with {disfmarker}", "PhD C : the {disfmarker} to speech - nonspeech as {disfmarker}", "Grad A : That 's right . But I think Javier 's {disfmarker}", "PhD C : it 's only speech or it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's nonspeech .", "PhD D : Ah . Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : I think Javier 's might be able to .", "PhD C : So .", "Professor G : N n", "Grad A : It doesn't have the same Gaus - uh , H M M modeling ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad A : which is I think a drawback .", "PhD C : OK .", "Grad A : But , uh {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Well , it 's {disfmarker} sort of has a simple one .", "PhD D : Mmm , yeah .", "Grad A : Does it ?", "Professor G : Right ? It 's {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker} it 's just a {disfmarker} isn't it just a Gaussian", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : for each {disfmarker} ?", "Grad A : Yeah . And then {pause} he ch you choose optimal splitting .", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor G : Yeah . Oh , it doesn't have {disfmarker} it doesn't have any temporal , uh {disfmarker} ?", "Grad A : Maybe I 'm misremembering , but I did not think it had a Markov {disfmarker}", "Professor G : I thought it {disfmarker} Yeah . I gues I guess I don't remember either . Uh . It 's been a while .", "PhD C : Yeah . Uh , I could have a look at it .", "PhD D : Javier {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Uh .", "PhD C : So .", "PhD D : You mean Ja - eh , eh , Javier program ?", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : No , Javier di doesn't worked with , uh , a Markov {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Yeah , I didn't think so .", "PhD D : He on only train {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Oh , OK . So he 's just {disfmarker} he just computes a Gaussian over potential {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Yep .", "PhD D : Yeah . It was only Gaussian .", "Professor G : Oh , I see . I see .", "Grad A : And so I {disfmarker} I think it would work fine for detecting overlap .", "PhD D : This is the idea .", "Professor G : And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}", "Grad A : It 's just , uh , that i it {disfmarker} he has the two - pass issue that {disfmarker} What he does is , as a first pass he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} p he does , um , a guess at where the divisions might be and he overestimates . And that 's just a data reduction step , so that you 're not trying at every time interval .", "PhD C : OK .", "Grad A : And so those are the putative {pause} places where he tries .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah . OK .", "Grad A : And right now he 's doing that with silence and that doesn't work with the Meeting Recorder . So if we used another method to get the first pass , I think it would probably work .", "PhD C : Yeah . Yeah . Sure . Yeah . Yeah , OK .", "Grad A : It 's a good method . As long as the len as long the segments are long enough .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad A : That 's the other problem .", "PhD C : So {disfmarker}", "Professor G : O - k OK . So let me go back to what you had , though .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : Um .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor G : The other thing one could do is {disfmarker} Couldn't {disfmarker} I mean , it 's {disfmarker} So you have two categories", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : and you have Markov models for each . Couldn't you have a third category ? So you have , uh {disfmarker} you have , {vocalsound} uh , nonspeech , single - person speech , and multiple - person speech ?", "Postdoc F : He has this on his board actually . Don't you have , like those {disfmarker} those several different {vocalsound} categories on the board ?", "Professor G : Right ? And then you have a Markov model for each ?", "PhD C : Um {disfmarker} I 'm not sure . I {disfmarker} I thought about , uh , adding , uh , uh , another class too . But it 's not too easy , I think , the {disfmarker} the transition between the different class , to model them in {disfmarker} in the system I have now . But it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it could be possible , I think ,", "Professor G : I see . I see .", "PhD C : in principle .", "Professor G : Yeah , I mean , I {disfmarker} This is all pretty gross .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : I mean , the {disfmarker} th the reason why , uh , I was suggesting originally that we look at features is because I thought , well , we 're doing something we haven't done before ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : we should at least look at the space and understand {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : It seems like if two people {disfmarker} two or more people talk at once , it should get louder ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : uh , and , uh , uh , there should be some discontinuity in pitch contours ,", "PhD C : I had the impression .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : and , uh , there should overall be a , um , smaller proportion of the total energy that is explained by any particular harmonic {pause} sequence in the spectrum .", "Grad A : Right .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : So those are all things that should be there .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor G : So far , um , uh , Jose has {disfmarker} has been {disfmarker} By the way , I was told I should be calling you Pepe , but {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : by your friends , but Anyway ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : um , uh , the {disfmarker} has {disfmarker} has , uh , been exploring , uh , e largely the energy issue and , um , as with a lot of things , it is not {disfmarker} uh , like this , it 's not as simple as it sounds .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : And then there 's , you know {disfmarker} Is it energy ? Is it log energy ? Is it LPC residual energy ? Is it {disfmarker} is it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} is it , uh , delta of those things ? Uh , what is it no Obviously , just a simple number {disfmarker} {vocalsound} absolute number isn't gonna work . So {vocalsound} it should be with {disfmarker} compared to what ? Should there be a long window for the {vocalsound} normalizing factor and a short window for what you 're looking at ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : Or , you know , how b short should they be ? So ,", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor G : th he 's been playing around with a lot of these different things and {disfmarker} and so far at least has not come up with {vocalsound} any combination that really gave you an indicator .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : So I {disfmarker} I still have a hunch that there 's {disfmarker} it 's in there some place , but it may be {disfmarker} given that you have a limited time here , it {disfmarker} it just may not be the best thing to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to {disfmarker} to focus on for the remaining of it .", "PhD D : Yeah . To overrule , yeah .", "Professor G : So pitch - related and harmonic - related , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {pause} somewhat more hopeful for it .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor G : But it seems like if we just wanna get something to work ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor G : that , uh , their suggestion of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} Th - they were suggesting going to Markov models , uh , but in addition there 's an expansion of what Javier did . And one of those things , looking at the statistical component ,", "PhD D : One .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : even if the features that you give it are maybe not ideal for it , it 's just sort of this general filter bank", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor G : or {disfmarker} {vocalsound} or cepstrum or something , um {disfmarker} Eee {vocalsound} it 's in there somewhere probably .", "PhD D : But , eh , what did you think about the possibility of using the Javier software ? Eh , I mean , the , uh {disfmarker} the , uh {disfmarker} the BIC criterion , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} t to train the {disfmarker} the Gaussian , eh , using the {disfmarker} the mark , eh , by hand , eh , eh , to distinguish be mmm , to train overlapping zone and speech zone . I mean , eh , {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that an interesting , eh , experiment , eh , could be , th eh , to prove that , mmm , if s we suppose that , eh , the {disfmarker} the first step {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean , the {disfmarker} the classifier what were the classifier from Javier or classifier from Thilo ? W What happen with the second step ? I {disfmarker} I mean , what {disfmarker} what happen with the , eh {disfmarker} the , uh , clu the , uh {disfmarker} the clu the clustering process ?", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Using the {disfmarker} the Gaussian .", "Grad A : You mean Javier 's ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad A : What do you mean ?", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I mean , that is {disfmarker} is enough {disfmarker} is enough , eh , to work well , eh , to , eh , separate or to distinguish , eh , between overlapping zone and , eh , speaker zone ? Because th {vocalsound} if {disfmarker} if we {disfmarker} if we , eh , nnn , develop an classifier {disfmarker} and the second step doesn't work {pause} well , eh , we have {pause} another problem .", "Grad A : I {disfmarker} Yeah . I had tried doing it by hand at one point with a very short sample ,", "PhD D : N", "Grad A : and it worked pretty well , but I haven't worked with it a lot . So what I d I d I took a hand - segmented sample", "PhD D : Nnn , yeah .", "Grad A : and I added ten times the amount of numbers at random ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad A : and it did pick out pretty good boundaries .", "PhD D : Oh . Yeah . But is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}", "Grad A : But this was just very anecdotal sort of thing .", "PhD D : But it 's possible with my segmentation by hand {pause} that we have information about the {disfmarker} the overlapping ,", "Grad A : Right . So if we {disfmarker} if we fed the hand - segmentation to Javier 's and it doesn't work , then we know something 's wrong .", "PhD D : uh {disfmarker} Yeah . The {disfmarker} N n Yeah . No . The demonstration by hand . Segmentation by hand I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think is the fast experiment .", "Grad A : Yeah . I think that 's probably worthwhile doing .", "PhD D : Uh , we can prove that the {disfmarker}", "Professor G : Uh - huh .", "Grad A : Whether it 'll work or not .", "PhD D : this kind o emph emphasises parameter and Gaussian {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Yeah .", "Professor G : Yeah .", "Grad A : Yep . Y do you know where his software is ? Have you used it at all ?", "PhD D : I yeah have . I have .", "Grad A : OK .", "PhD D :", "Grad A : So . I {disfmarker} I have as well , so if you need {disfmarker} need help let me know .", "PhD D : OK .", "Professor G : Let 's read some digits .", "Grad A : OK . uuh", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : And we are {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 49, "turns": [ 160, 199 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "solar cell , energy problems", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought using batteries and additional solar cells would produce enough energy for speech recognition and LCD, the solar cells just need daylight and not sunlight necessarily.", "title": "Light Source for the Solar Cells", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], [ 14, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "solar cell , energy problems", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the solar cells could use daylight or even light from the TV, not necessarily sunlight and that the solar cell, so there would be no problem in energy, and speech recognition features were new things as desired.", "title": "Light Source for the Solar Cells", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], [ 14, 18 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Not {disfmarker} J uh just a point to the energy th things . If we use the batteries , and the additional so solar cell , then it's okay for L_ uh speech recognition and L_C_D_ ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : so no problem in energy , I think .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : But we have to use the solar cell .", "User Interface : So but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh like {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Otherwise not .", "Project Manager : but using how many batteries , for example ? Are are what Maybe what is the size of the battery {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah I was thinking just common A_A_ cells .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh one two {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So like three to five centimetres ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I dunno exactly , but .", "Marketing : So if we use s solar cells , um where is the sun if someone's watching T_V_ inside ?", "Industrial Designer : S Uh d doesn't need to be sun . It it's just the daylight , you know .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : The television lights . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah well I I suppose that I suppose that uh that this remote control won't be in the in the room like this , where there is light only when when there are people , but .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : At least when there is T_V_ you can get light from the T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah from the T_ {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think it's enough , uh .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I dunno .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Ah it's a it's a compromise , no ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : At least it's new and maybe technology New technology .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's why I wanted to to include the speech recognition , because you wanted all the new things .", "Marketing : It's it's quite innovative , yes .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Um .", "Marketing : And if you watch T_V_ outside it's {vocalsound} very useful . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 331, 371 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "appearance , remote controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Team discussed possibility of many colors of the product. The company name had to be on it, instantly recognisable to keep the company image, maybe on lock button. Project Manager suggested to have a look at their products to see if they followed a similar vein.", "title": "Team Discussing the Remote Control Appearence", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 19 ], [ 23, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "appearance , remote controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Multiple colors of the product were considered. The company name would be around the lock button. Company patterns had to be recongisable.", "title": "Main Appearence Feature of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 19 ], [ 23, 26 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Can't we have different colours in the remotes , so somebody can choose different col", "Project Manager : Well , see the thing is is we've gotta keep the company image .", "Marketing : like does it have to be of a certain ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : It's gotta say {disfmarker} people have gotta look at this remote control and instantly recognise that it's a Real Reaction i product .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : But if it's a R_R_ , it would be Real Reaction ,", "Project Manager : There's loads of companies that called R_R_ .", "Marketing : like if it had a symbol on it .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : This is slog {gap} but this is the slogan , this is the the the the type .", "Marketing : Whoa .", "User Interface : And this is something that came on down from from the higher ups ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : so , I mean , we are sort of beholden to them .", "Marketing : So we have to have it one colour .", "Project Manager : Well , not necessarily . But we have to incorporate it .", "User Interface : Not one colour , but the pattern needs to be recognisable .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Not necessarily even if i it just has to {disfmarker} ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it's one of our products", "Industrial Designer : Well you could {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : as opposed to a Sony product or a , you know , a Panasonic product .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : It's got to {disfmarker} so maybe , so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein , perhaps .", "Industrial Designer : It could come {disfmarker} But it could come in different colours and have the R_R_ colours just somewhere", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} like just around the lock button could be the R_R_ logo or colours and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : If {gap} .", "Project Manager : Quite poss yeah . Well this is all your department . Mm okay . Well , well done everybody .", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Project Manager : And um , I think we uh stop for lunch now .", "User Interface : Yeah , pretty soon I think , I guess that's now .", "Marketing : Are we are we finished ahead of schedule ?", "Project Manager : We might possibly have done .", "Industrial Designer : Cool .", "User Interface : Alright , see you all soon .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} If we've if we've finished at five minutes before the meeting's supposed to finish , then that means we get an extra five minutes for lunch .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} 'Kay uh .", "Project Manager : Yeah , there you go . Right . I just have to {disfmarker} there's a few little bits and pieces I have to write down , but {disfmarker} Take your headsets off , kick back , smoke 'em if you got 'em . {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 9, "turns": [ 595, 760 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time bins", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E said that it was important to remain flexible regarding the time bin. However, they wanted time. It said that if they tie overlap code to the first word there, then they would have a time-marking, independent of the time bins, also, they could have different time bins for different purposes.", "title": "Postdoc E Talking About Time Bins", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "time bins", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E said that it was important to remain flexible regarding the time bin for now. However, they wanted to have it, time, located in the discourse. It said that if they tie the overlap code to the first word in the overlap, then they would have a time-marking, it would be independent of the time bins, also, they could have different time bins for different purposes.", "title": "Postdoc E Talking About Time Bins", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "various versions", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that the only thing that was common among all the various versions was the word sequence. After that, someone asked how file formats were going to help, and PhD A said that they could imagine someone writing an alignment tool that mediates between various versions.", "title": "PhD A Talking About Various Versions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 36 ], [ 47, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "various versions", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that the only thing common in the various versions was the word sequences. It imagined an alignment tool that mediated various versions.", "title": "PhD A Talking About Various Versions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 36 ], [ 47, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different purposes", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E said that they could have unlimited green ribbons, and put a green ribbon on for an overlap code. Also, they could have different time bins for different purposes, could have them tied to the first word in an overlap segment that was unique, and would end up on a separate ribbon.", "title": "Postdoc E Talking About Different Purposes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different purposes", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E; imagining; says we can have unlimited; green ribbons; put; on for an overlap code; tie the overlap code; first word; it'll be independent; time bins; for different purposes; tied to the first word; unique; anchored, clear; end up on a separate ribbon.", "title": "Postdoc E Talking About Different Purposes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "hard", "speaker": "PhD A ; Grad C" }, "summary": "PhD A said that it was extremely hard to merge the two different versions, that were from the same source but weren't identical, at least in a reliable way, to correlate information from the different annotations. Grad C said that the structured merging was going to be very hard, mostly specifying the meaning of \"merge\".", "title": "PhD A and Grad C Talking About Hard Parts of Merging", "relevant_turns": [ [ 43, 47 ], [ 66, 71 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "hard", "speaker": "PhD A ; Grad C" }, "summary": "PhD A; two different version; same source; weren't identical; extremely hard; reliably merge; two back together; correlate; information; different annotations; Grad C; gonna be very hard; structured anything; try to merge; really hard; hard part isn't the file format; hard; specifying what you mean by \"merge\";", "title": "PhD A and Grad C Talking About Hard Parts of Merging", "relevant_turns": [ [ 43, 47 ], [ 66, 71 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "green ribbons", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E said that they could have unlimited green ribbons, and put a green ribbon on for an overlap code. If they tied the overlap code to the first word in the overlap, it would just end up on a separate ribbon.", "title": "Postdoc E Talking About Green Ribbons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "green ribbons", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E said that it was imagining. Dave said that they could have unlimited numbers of green ribbons, and put a green ribbon on for an overlap code. If they tied the overlap code to the first word in the overlap segment was unique, it would just end up on a separate ribbon.", "title": "Postdoc E Talking About Green Ribbons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "data", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD A said that some people would start annotating the data, and the only thing common was the word sequence. People wanted to get annotations and bring them back in line with the data. PhD F said that they had a way to merge the data back , and asked people to do that.", "title": "PhD A and PhD F Talking About Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 33 ], [ 98, 106 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "data", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD A said that once this data got out there, some people would start annotating it, for a lot of reasons, and the only thing common with those versions of the data was the word sequence. People would do things, so they want to get annotations and bring them back in line with the data. PhD F said that when they distributed the data, they had a way to merge it, and asked people to do that.", "title": "PhD A and PhD F Talking About Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 33 ], [ 98, 106 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD F : um {disfmarker} Yeah . And so then it would just be a matter of getting {disfmarker} making sure to handle the annotations that are , you know , not at the word - level and , um , t to import the", "Grad B : Where are those annotations coming from ?", "PhD F : Well , right now , I g Jane would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} would {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Are you talking about the overlap a annotations ?", "PhD F : Yeah , any kind of annotation {pause} that , like , isn't already there . Uh , you know , anything you can envision .", "Postdoc E : Yeah . So what I was imagining was {disfmarker} um , so Dave says we can have unlimited numbers of green ribbons . And so put , uh , a {disfmarker} a green ribbon on for an overlap code . And since we w we {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's important to remain flexible regarding the time bins for now . And so it 's nice to have {disfmarker} However , you know , you want to have it , uh , time time uh , located in the discourse . So , um , if we {disfmarker} if we tie the overlap code to the first word in the overlap , then you 'll have a time - marking . It won't {disfmarker} it 'll be independent of the time bins , however these e evolve , shrink , or whatever , increase , or {disfmarker} Also , you could have different time bins for different purposes . And having it tied to the first word in an overlap segment is unique , uh , you know , anchored , clear . And it would just end up on a separate ribbon .", "Grad C : Right .", "Postdoc E : So the overlap coding is gonna be easy with respect to that . You look puzzled .", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I just {disfmarker} I don't quite understand what these things are .", "Postdoc E : OK .", "PhD D : Uh .", "Postdoc E : What , the codes themselves ?", "PhD D : Well , th overlap codes .", "Postdoc E : Or the {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : I 'm not sure what that @ @ {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Well , I mean , is that {disfmarker}", "PhD D : It probably doesn't matter .", "Postdoc E : Well , we don't have to go into the codes .", "Grad C : I mean , it doesn't .", "PhD D : No , I d", "Postdoc E : We don't have to go into the codes .", "Grad C : I mean , that {disfmarker} not for the topic of this meeting .", "Postdoc E : But let me just {disfmarker} No . W the idea is just to have a separate green ribbon , you know , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and let 's say that this is a time bin . There 's a word here . This is the first word of an overlapping segment of any length , overlapping with any other , uh , word {disfmarker} uh , i segment of any length . And , um , then you can indicate that this here was perhaps a ch a backchannel , or you can say that it was , um , a usurping of the turn , or you can {disfmarker} you know , any {disfmarker} any number of categories . But the fact is , you have it time - tagged in a way that 's independent of the , uh , sp particular time bin that the word ends up in . If it 's a large unit or a small unit , or", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc E : we sh change the boundaries of the units , it 's still unique and {disfmarker} and , uh , fits with the format ,", "PhD F : Right .", "Postdoc E : flexible , all that .", "PhD A : Um , it would be nice {disfmarker} um , eh , gr this is sort of r regarding {disfmarker} uh , uh it 's related but not directly germane to the topic of discussion , but , when it comes to annotations , um , you often find yourself in the situation where you have {pause} different annotations {pause} of the same , say , word sequence . OK ?", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD A : And sometimes the word sequences even differ slightly because they were edited s at one place but not the other .", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD A : So , once this data gets out there , some people might start annotating this for , I don't know , dialogue acts or , um , you know , topics or what the heck . You know , there 's a zillion things that people might annotate this for . And the only thing that is really sort of common among all the versi the various versions of this data is the word sequence , or approximately .", "Postdoc E : Yep .", "PhD F : Or the time .", "PhD A : Or the times . But , see , if you 'd annotate dialogue acts , you don't necessarily want to {disfmarker} or topics {disfmarker} you don't really want to be dealing with time - marks .", "PhD F : I guess .", "PhD A : You 'd {disfmarker} it 's much more efficient for them to just see the word sequence , right ?", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I mean , most people aren't as sophisticated as {disfmarker} as we are here with , you know , uh , time alignments and stuff . So {disfmarker} So the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the point is {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Should {disfmarker} should we mention some names on the people who are n ?", "PhD A : Right . So , um , the p my point is that {pause} you 're gonna end up with , uh , word sequences that are differently annotated . And {pause} you want some tool , uh , that is able to sort of merge these different annotations back into a single , uh , version . OK ? Um , and we had this problem very massively , uh , at SRI when we worked , uh , a while back on , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} well , on dialogue acts as well as , uh , you know , um , what was it ? uh ,", "PhD F : Well , all the Switchboard in it .", "PhD A : utterance types . There 's , uh , automatic , uh , punctuation and stuff like that .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "PhD A : Because we had one set of {pause} annotations that were based on , uh , one version of the transcripts with a particular segmentation , and then we had another version that was based on , uh , a different s slightly edited version of the transcripts with a different segmentation . So , {vocalsound} we had these two different versions which were {disfmarker} you know , you could tell they were from the same source but they weren't identical . So it was extremely hard {vocalsound} to reliably merge these two back together to correlate the information from the different annotations .", "Grad C : Yep . I {disfmarker} I don't see any way that file formats are gonna help us with that .", "PhD A : No .", "Grad C : It 's {disfmarker} it 's all a question of semantic .", "PhD A : No . But once you have a file format , I can imagine writing {disfmarker} not personally , but someone writing a tool that is essentially an alignment tool , um , that mediates between various versions ,", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "PhD A : and {disfmarker} uh , sort of like th uh , you know , you have this thing in UNIX where you have , uh , diff .", "Grad C : Diff .", "PhD F : W - diff or diff .", "PhD A : There 's the , uh , diff that actually tries to reconcile different {disfmarker} two diffs f {comment} based on the same original .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Is it S - diff ?", "Grad C : Yep .", "Postdoc E : Mmm .", "PhD A : Something like that , um , but operating on these lattices that are really what 's behind this {disfmarker} uh , this annotation format .", "Grad C : Yep .", "PhD A : So {disfmarker}", "Grad C : There 's actually a diff library you can use {pause} to do things like that that {disfmarker} so you have different formats .", "PhD F : You could definitely do that with the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So somewhere in the API you would like to have like a merge or some {disfmarker} some function that merges two {disfmarker} two versions .", "Grad C : Yeah , I think it 's gonna be very hard . Any sort of structured anything when you try to merge is really , really hard", "PhD A : Right .", "Grad C : because you ha i The hard part isn't the file format . The hard part is specifying what you mean by \" merge \" .", "PhD A : Is {disfmarker} Exactly .", "Grad C : And that 's very difficult .", "PhD F : But the one thing that would work here actually for i that is more reliable than the utterances is the {disfmarker} the speaker ons and offs . So if you have a good ,", "Grad C : But this is exactly what I mean , is that {disfmarker} that the problem i", "PhD F : um {disfmarker} Yeah . You just have to know wha what to tie it to .", "Grad C : Yeah , exactly . The problem is saying \" what are the semantics ,", "PhD F : And {disfmarker}", "Grad C : what do you mean by \" merge \" ? \"", "PhD F : Right , right .", "PhD A : Right . So {disfmarker} so just to let you know what we {disfmarker} where we kluged it by , uh , doing {disfmarker} uh , by doing {disfmarker} Hhh .", "Grad C : So .", "PhD A : Both were based on words , so , bo we have two versions of the same words intersp you know , sprinkled with {disfmarker} with different tags for annotations .", "Grad C : And then you did diff .", "PhD A : And we did diff . Exactly !", "Grad C : Yeah , that 's just what I thought .", "PhD A : And that 's how {disfmarker}", "Grad C : That 's just wh how I would have done it .", "PhD A : Yeah . But , you know , it had lots of errors and things would end up in the wrong order , and so forth . Uh , so , um , if you had a more {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Yep .", "PhD A : Uh , it {disfmarker} it was a kluge because it was basically reducing everything to {disfmarker} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , uh , to textual alignment .", "Grad C : A textual {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Um , so {disfmarker}", "PhD F : But , d isn't that something where whoever {disfmarker} if {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if the people who are making changes , say in the transcripts , cuz this all happened when the transcripts were different {disfmarker} ye um , if they tie it to something , like if they tied it to the acoustic segment {disfmarker} if they {disfmarker} You know what I mean ? Then {disfmarker} Or if they tied it to an acoustic segment and we had the time - marks , that would help .", "Grad C : Yep .", "PhD F : But the problem is exactly as Adam said , that you get , you know , y you don't have that information or it 's lost in the merge somehow ,", "Postdoc E : Well , can I ask one question ?", "PhD F : so {disfmarker}", "Postdoc E : It {disfmarker} it seems to me that , um , we will have o an official version of the corpus , which will be only one {disfmarker} one version in terms of the words {disfmarker} where the words are concerned . We 'd still have the {disfmarker} the merging issue maybe if coding were done independently of the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : And you 're gonna get that", "Postdoc E : But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}", "PhD A : because if the data gets out , people will do all kinds of things to it . And , uh , s you know , several years from now you might want to look into , um , the prosody of referring expressions . And someone at the university of who knows where has annotated the referring expressions . So you want to get that annotation and bring it back in line with your data .", "Grad C : Right .", "PhD A : OK ?", "Grad C : But unfortunately they 've also hand - edited it .", "Postdoc E : OK , then {disfmarker}", "PhD F : But they 've also {disfmarker} Exactly . And so that 's exactly what we should {disfmarker} somehow when you distribute the data , say that {disfmarker} you know , that {disfmarker} have some way of knowing how to merge it back in and asking people to try to do that .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : Yep .", "PhD A : Right .", "Postdoc E : Well , then the {disfmarker}", "PhD D : What 's {disfmarker} what 's wrong with {pause} doing times ? I {disfmarker}", "Postdoc E : I agree . That was what I was wondering .", "PhD F : Uh , yeah , time is the {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Well ,", "Postdoc E : Time is unique . You were saying that you didn't think we should {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Time is passing !", "PhD A : Time {disfmarker} time {disfmarker} times are ephemeral .", "Postdoc E : Andreas was saying {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad C : what if they haven't notated with them , times ?", "PhD F : Yeah . He {disfmarker} he 's a language modeling person , though .", "PhD A : Um {disfmarker}", "Grad C : So {disfmarker} so imagine {disfmarker} I think his {disfmarker} his example is a good one . Imagine that this person who developed the corpus of the referring expressions didn't include time .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Grad C : He included references to words .", "Postdoc E : Ach !", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : He said that at this word is when {disfmarker} when it happened .", "Postdoc E : Well , then {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Or she .", "Grad C : Or she .", "Postdoc E : But then couldn't you just indirectly figure out the time {pause} tied to the word ?", "PhD F : But still they {disfmarker} Exactly .", "Grad C : Sure . But what if {disfmarker} what if they change the words ?", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Not {disfmarker} Well , but you 'd have some anchoring point . He couldn't have changed all the words .", "PhD D : But can they change the words without changing the time of the word ?", "Grad C : Sure . But they could have changed it a little . The {disfmarker} the point is , that {disfmarker} that they may have annotated it off a word transcript that isn't the same as our word transcript , so how do you merge it back in ? I understand what you 're saying .", "PhD A : Mmm . Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : And I {disfmarker} I guess the answer is , um , it 's gonna be different every time . It 's j it 's just gonna be {disfmarker}", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad C : I it 's exactly what I said before ,", "PhD F : You only know the boundaries of the {disfmarker}", "Grad C : which is that \" what do you mean by \" merge \" ? \" So in this case where you have the words and you don't have the times , well , what do you mean by \" merge \" ? If you tell me what you mean , I can write a program to do it .", "PhD F : Right . Right . You can merge at the level of the representation that the other person preserved and that 's it .", "Grad C : Right . And that 's about all you can do .", "PhD F : And beyond that , all you know is {disfmarker} is relative ordering and sometimes even that is wrong .", "Grad C : So {disfmarker} so in {disfmarker} so in this one you would have to do a best match between the word sequences ,", "PhD F : So .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : extract the times f from the best match of theirs to yours , and use that .", "PhD F : And then infer that their time - marks are somewhere in between .", "Grad C : Right .", "PhD F : Yeah , exactly .", "Postdoc E : But it could be that they just {disfmarker} uh , I mean , it could be that they chunked {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they lost certain utterances and all that stuff ,", "Grad C : Right , exactly . So it could get very , very ugly .", "Postdoc E : or {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Definitely .", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD F : Definitely . Alright .", "Postdoc E : That 's interesting .", "PhD F : Well , I guess , w I {disfmarker} I didn't want to keep people too long and Adam wanted t people {disfmarker} I 'll read the digits . If anyone else offers to , that 'd be great . And", "PhD A : Ah , well .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "PhD F : if not , I guess {disfmarker}", "PhD A : For th for the {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} for the benefit of science we 'll read the digits ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 64, "turns": [ 12, 96 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Remote controls were similar in their appearance. Tried to do something crazy might be an option since the idea was to have something that stood out but based on functional design to be user friendly. Maybe, with a form where you need both hands to use it or something crazier; like a spherical form, since remotes were always thrown across the rooms. Most of all needed to be long lasting and hold up to very rude use.", "title": "Functional Design Brainstorming", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 72 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User interface said that remote controls were similar in their appearance. Project Manager asked if something crazy was an option, since the idea was to have something that stood out but with a functional design. User Interface said it could be spherical, like a ball. Marketing said maybe like user-friendly, that could be used with both hands, like a keyboard. User interface said the idea of a spherical form could be based on the fact people always threw remotes anywhere and actual controls could be inside. Industrial Designer said restrictions had to be thought about, and how stable was supposed to be material-wise and asked if it should be long lasting. Project Manager said it needed to hold up somebody's child or to be thrown across the room.", "title": "Functional Design Brainstorming", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 72 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "price issues , target groups , remote control , functional and conceptual design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group needed to work on functional design and conceptual design. Remote control had a price of twenty-five euros, fifty million euros of profit. Globally appealing since working with IRCAM, just needed to work on different target audiences.", "title": "Prices and Targeting Audience", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 72, 84 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "price issues , target groups , remote control , functional and conceptual design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the Company was looking for something original, a trendy, and easy-to-use remote control. Functional design, conceptual design, and detailed design were going to be carried out by the three stakeholders in the meeting, Remote control could be a universal remote control, supposed to be at a price of twenty-five Euros, so goals for profit should be around fifty million euros. Marketing said, an important partnership with International Remote Control Association, something globally appealing could work and research was going to be made. Project manager said, could find out what was the most universally appealing out there. Marketing said, having different designs per target group, because one won't apply to all the countries. User interface said, small.", "title": "Prices and Targeting Audience", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ], [ 72, 84 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "A new remote control was being put together, the team was looking for something original and trendy but all easy to use. Project Manager and User Interface threw some ideas of what was being needed, as a first step then would start on how was it going to be designed, and then details were going to be discussed. One of the doubts was if the remote function would be only a tv remote or maybe a universal one, so it would work on any electrical product in a house, but the team didn't know infrared or standard principal would be used.", "title": "Initial Brainstorming", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager, a new remote control, something original, trendy, easy to use. User Interface, function of remote control, change channels.", "title": "Initial Brainstorming", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 11 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Uh grand total of twenty five minutes we have here . Um so we are putting together a new remote control . Um we want it to be something original . Um of course we're a {disfmarker} not only a electronics company but a fashion um conscious electronics company , so we want it to be trendy um and we want it to be easy to use . {vocalsound} Um we've got the functional design , conceptual design and detailed design um which basically is is the three of you um . And w uh {vocalsound} well um functional design um . Um do we have {disfmarker} um any ideas of of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe d let's just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have , and then we can go into how we're gonna design it and and how we're gonna do the detailing on it .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well uh s function of remote control is just just {disfmarker} you know , change channels is its main function .", "Project Manager : So we want it to be um a T_V_ remote or {disfmarker} I I mean do we want it to to do other things besides just be a a television remote ?", "User Interface : Oh right . I suppose you c try make it a universal remote", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : for {disfmarker} could work on all sort of electrical products in in one person's house . But , you know , they all sorta have the same role changing channels , volumes and then programming .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : I think they all work on the same prin principle as well sorta like {disfmarker} I don't actually know . {gap} But is it just infra-red ? Is that standard ?", "Project Manager : I I think {disfmarker} yeah , yeah , r universal remote .", "User Interface : Ye yeah .", "Project Manager : Um this is my first uh go-round with creating a remote control ,", "Marketing : Huh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Ours too . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think we're all in the same boat here . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Um one thing I thought of with the remote control is you always lose 'em .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So if there's a g a way of finding it quite easily , I thought that'd be quite good quite a good feature .", "Marketing : Mm . Ch", "Project Manager : So we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a uh", "Marketing : Like a tracking device ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : like a tracking device or or like a a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh you can get those key {disfmarker} well you could whistle or make a noise", "Project Manager : It makes a noise ,", "User Interface : and it'd beep .", "Project Manager : there's a button on the T_V_ that you press", "Industrial Designer : Mm , mm .", "Project Manager : and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Be good .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Generally , all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Do we want {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Just long .", "Project Manager : so they're kinda like long and rectangular .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Do we want something crazy ?", "User Interface : Black usually .", "Project Manager : You know , we want something new that's gonna stand out .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Lot more modern .", "Project Manager : A m a modern {disfmarker} so our remote should be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I think so . Maybe sorta spherical or something . A ball .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Maybe like user-friendly , like a little", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : you know , where you can use both hands , like a little keyboard type thing .", "User Interface : People {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : I thought maybe , because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another {disfmarker} if it was in a ball ,", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : and maybe the actual controls are inside or something .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um .", "Industrial Designer : Well there are of course certain restrictions , you can't have it be any form and fulfil all functions at the same time ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so there are always the {disfmarker} some restrictions we have to apply here . Um however um one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be , that refers to the material , pretty much um . What are we gonna build that thing out of ?", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : How sturdy is it gonna be ? Do we want it to last longer or rather have people whatever , have to buy one every half a year ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay so {disfmarker} yeah , so we want it to be sturdy ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : we want it to to hold up to somebody's child , you know , throwing it across the room or , as you said , people kinda throw it , so ball-shaped , uh you know , if it were ball-shaped maybe ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : then it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It could be cased on the outside and t everything could be inside .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . Um so we want it to be modern , fun , sturdy , um {disfmarker} So our form and our function . Um we want it to be um easy to find . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} What else {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} what else do we want it to to do ? So we want it to be universal . It's something that we're supposed to sell for about twenty five Euros um and you know , goals for profits are I think somewhere around uh fifty million Euros , what they wanna make on it , so .", "Marketing : Mm . Also since we're partners of the International Remote Control Association , maybe we wanna make it something that would globally appeal .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : That's more on the research end , but {disfmarker} the marketing .", "Project Manager : So marketing , you know , how {disfmarker} maybe uh marketing , you could s find out what is the most universally um appealing {vocalsound} remote control out there .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And maybe as far as design goes , maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences ,", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : 'cause maybe one won't apply to all of the countries we're targeting .", "User Interface : Ye Small .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like ? Maybe we could draw it up on the on the board over there . Some ideas ? We want it to be a b a ball ," ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 473, 513 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy , potential options", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer talked about the power options, which were batteries, solar power, and a dynamo, a mechanism that stores energy from movement, although they chose batteries because solar power was not available for rubber casings. Project Manager approved the use of batteries. User Interface prefers the dynamo, although costs should be checked. Industrial Designer said they didn't find the costs on the web, but it might be cheap if bought in bulk.", "title": "Available Power Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy , potential options", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer listed the available power options: batteries, solar power, and a dynamo, though he said they chose batteries, because solar power doesn't work with rubber casings. Project Manager approved the batteries. User Interface preferred the dynamo, although it would depend on cost. Industrial Designer said they didn't get the costs.", "title": "Available Power Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy , potential options", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they considered batteries, solar power, and the dynamo as power options, but for functionality, they preferred batteries. The Project Manager liked the idea of using batteries, but Marketing proposed to consider the dynamo if it were affordable. Industrial Designer said they didn't get the costs online, but it could be a good price since it would be mass-purchased.", "title": "Proposed Power Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy , potential options", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; actually had an option of batteries, solar power, and um a dynamo; sort of picked battery; solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways; Project Manager; batteries sound good; Marketing; the fact with dynamo is, the moment you move it; creates energy on its own; need to find cost; Don't know the cost; Industrial Designer; Didn't have enough data to actually; on the web; didn't give me any actual costs; Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk.", "title": "Proposed Power Options", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Kryptonite , cost , potential options , energy", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kryptonite was one of the potential power options. Project Manager asked about kryptonite. Industrial Designer said they didn't have the costs yet.", "title": "Potential Option of Kryptonite", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Kryptonite , cost , potential options , energy", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer named the available power options such as batteries, solar power, and dynamo. Project Manager asked about kryptonite. Marketing became interested in the dynamo and its cost. Industrial Designer said they didn't get the costs, but it could be cheap if bought in bulk.", "title": "Potential Option of Kryptonite", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 27 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Oh right right . Yeah . Um , so what d but what do we know about energy ? I mean we're gonna use batteries right ? And {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh we actually had an option of batteries , solar power , and um a dynamo ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : which is something I don't know what it is . Something to do with torches .", "Marketing : Oh , a dynamo is {disfmarker} ah , {vocalsound} it's a bicycle . It's a bicycle mechanism . It's the en it's like if if something moves , when it moves , it stores energy .", "Industrial Designer : Oh okay . Yeah , the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So I sort of picked battery .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's quite sweet .", "Industrial Designer : We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power . Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways .", "Project Manager : I think batteries sound good .", "Industrial Designer : It {vocalsound} it seems a little weird for a living room anyways .", "Project Manager : What does everyone else think ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The dynamo would be interesting {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : No . But dynamo {disfmarker} the the fact with dynamo is , the moment you move it , it c it {vocalsound} creates energy on its own .", "Project Manager : What about Kryptonite ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : Which is quite cool . So if you throw it , it's gonna store loads of energy , and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying . But we need to find cost .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Don't know the cost .", "Industrial Designer : Didn't have enough data to actually {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Does anyone have costs on the on the web ?", "Industrial Designer : All it said was it gave sort of relative , some chips are more expensive than others , sort of things . It didn't give me any actual cost .", "Marketing : Okay . Right .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk . So I don't think it's that much of a problem . Like the chip is probably the most expensive part .", "Project Manager : What does chip on print mean ?", "Industrial Designer : Um , for things like remote controls , um , they stamp out a chip ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : calculators too I think . Um , so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : But it's not like a computer , you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls , it's like stamped onto the chip .", "Project Manager : Right . So , chip on print is just {disfmarker} means like that they're mass-produced .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay . And case ? Uh I guess that's what we've been talking about ,", "Industrial Designer : Case is what we were discussing yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah . Casing . Yeah . {gap} thinking of like syntactic case and thi", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 40, "turns": [ 721, 773 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product cost", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they were using kinetic which was a large expense at three Euros and they were using a regular chip that was curved all around. Added that they were using plastic and rubber. Also, they would have one color for the case, one color for the buttons, and had a special form and a special material. Their total operating cost was twelve twenty Euros which was barely under budget.", "title": "Production Cost of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product cost", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were using kinetic which was three Euros, a regular chip with double-curved which was two Euros, free plastic, and rubber which was three Euros. Added that they had a push-button interface that was inexpensive, and the total operating cost was twelve twenty Euros.", "title": "Production Cost of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 51 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} Alright , now with that over and done with , our next step is to see if we are under budget . And um my computer's frozen . And now it's not . Okay . So um in our shared folder , if everyone could go there right now , um I'm going to um steal a cable .", "Marketing : Sorry . Are you gonna do that ? Okay .", "Project Manager : Um it's it's um", "User Interface : Is that the project document ?", "Project Manager : it's an Excel file . Oh .", "Industrial Designer : Production costs .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : 'Kay there we go . Um , production costs . And um I have to access that as well . One moment . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It says it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : 'Kay so far I've added what I think {disfmarker} or what is going on ? Great . It's blinking at me . It's locked for editing . Read only . I'm gonna open up a second one then 'cause it's locked for editing . I have the original in my um my email account .", "Marketing : Oh is it locked 'cause I'm in it ?", "Project Manager : I dunno .", "Industrial Designer : I think it just means that we can't add any more to it now .", "Marketing : Or {disfmarker} okay .", "Industrial Designer : Have you have you completed it ?", "Project Manager : No . No , I was hoping that you guys could .", "Industrial Designer : Oh right . Okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : Um , there we go .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay here we go . So we need to tally up how much our w our product will be costing . So um if you can look up at the screen , um the large screen ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : oh I guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think . Okay we're using kinetic which is quite a large expense at three Euros .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um we're using a regular chip .", "User Interface : Oh right .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , it's cur it's double curved , so its curved all around .", "Industrial Designer : Double double-curved yeah .", "Project Manager : That's another three . We're already at five . Um , we're using plastic and rubber ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker} Good thing plastic is free , we're at eight . Um {disfmarker} S", "User Interface : What about a special colour ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Are we using that ?", "Project Manager : I guess we should do it just for one kind . So it's like special colour {disfmarker} well we'll have two colours", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : right ? Well one colour for the case , one colour for the buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So we can {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , we have push button interface , so that's inexpensive . And um we have a special colour for the button , and we also have a special form . And a special material .", "User Interface : And a special material . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Which puts us just barely under budget .", "Industrial Designer : Oof .", "Project Manager : Hurray .", "Industrial Designer : Congratulations guys .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Good work guys .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm . 'S good . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So um our operating cost is twelve twenty Euros .", "User Interface : That's good ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 26, "turns": [ 111, 218 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "shape , remote", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager agreed with User Interface, who stressed that the shape of the remote control should be styled as an iPod or MP three players. It should be modern and basic, summed up the Project Manager. Home base should be simple too.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion about the Shape of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 26, 29 ], 32 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "shape , remote", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "we should go more to the iPod and MP three players; just modern modern but still uh basic; the home base is something simple", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion about the Shape of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 26, 29 ], 32 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "old remote controls , modern", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface researched on the Internet some design ideas, comparing new and old remote controls and tried to convince the team to go for new wave remote looking similar to the iPod and MP three players, could have lit up parts included. Modern was the main feature and a theme to explore regarding the remote. Project Manager agreed.", "title": "User Interface Designer looks for Inspiration", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 30 ], 38, 83, 97 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "old remote controls , modern", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface did some searching on the Internet and watched the old remote controls and new remote controls. User Interface showed a picture of one of the modern remote control and thought they should go to the iPod and MP three player direction, making it smaller with few buttons. It was considered modern to light some area up in order to get focus in there. Project Manager agreed for modern look with changeable fonts, but still basic.", "title": "User Interface looks for Inspiration", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 30 ], 38, 83, 97 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , chip , display", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The team was discussing the type of chip needed in the modern remote control. It was agreed the remote would require an advanced chip so that it could easily handle speech recognition and the display. Two features that required most advanced technology in order to work smoothly.", "title": "Choice of Chip regarding Speech Recognition and Display", "relevant_turns": [ 7, [ 19, 27 ], [ 40, 42 ], 97, 101 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , chip , display", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "chip can be simple, regular or advanced; display requires an advanced chip; LCD doesn't require; speech recognition; haven't got anything about speech recognition; that's the most expensive chip, we need; we saw the display, in the iPod; no display there, it's on the place of the display.", "title": "Choice of Chip regarding Speech Recognition and Display", "relevant_turns": [ 7, [ 19, 27 ], [ 40, 42 ], 97, 101 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channel , volume", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface Designer informed the volume and channel buttons location were on the bottom of the device, but thanked to the side scrolls, it would be possible to simplify it more by just putting the volume on the side.", "title": "User Interface Designer's Vision for Volume and Channel Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 47, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channel , volume", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface Designer informed the volume and channel buttons location could be possibly improved thanked to the side scrolls.", "title": "User Interface Designer's Vision for Volume and Channel Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 47, 63 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Uh let's first watch Paul's presentation first then .", "User Interface : So uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost . But maybe it's cheap", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : and it's easy to implement .", "User Interface : th that's the only problem . I d They don't say how much it will cost , so {disfmarker} Um but uh", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : if we implement uh speech recognition , I think it would be better to implement L_C_D_ as well .", "Marketing : Oh . It's mass production . So you can say , you can {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Since you have to uh configure speech thing .", "Project Manager : But that's definitely more expensive than {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , that's that's something I dunno .", "Marketing : Yeah . But how uh we we're gonna make many of those . So we can start a mass production , and then the cost will still will be {gap} .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but a telephone {gap} {disfmarker} Okay , yeah . But a telephone also have a L_C_D_ and and it's about t two hundred Euros .", "User Interface : Yeah , so uh we gotta de", "Project Manager : So uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We have to decide on that .", "Marketing : Yeah . Okay . That was this ?", "User Interface : Mm uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh I got an email uh {disfmarker} And it says uh the chip can be uh simple , regular or advanced . And {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} They say uh a display requires an advanced chip . And this is more expensive than all the other chips . So", "User Interface : L_D_C_ doesn't require {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : it's m the most expensive . Yeah , it says in the email . The display requires an advanced chip .", "User Interface : Okay . And speech recognition ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , probably too .", "User Interface : Advanced {gap} . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I I haven't got anything about speech recognition , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I'll I'll give you my design .", "Industrial Designer : Well it d That's that's the most expensive chip , we need . If we're doing uh if we're doing a display .", "User Interface : Yeah okay . So we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Well we can {disfmarker} I had uh to make a sort of a design . So I did some searching on the internet . I watched the old remote controls and news com remote como uh remote controls . I think we should um {disfmarker} This is one of the modern remote controls of the moment . I think we should go more to the iPod and M_P_ three players . Mobile phones .", "Project Manager : Yeah , just modern modern but still uh basic .", "User Interface : More modern . Y yes . Um you probably have to make it a bit bigger and a bit smaller . 'Cause remote con control , you can see it here , you have to bo reach both out {disfmarker} both sides . And here you just have one , few buttons . So that's that's the main difference . But looks uh I definitely think we should go like this . And then changeable fonts , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : It's the most important part , I think . But {disfmarker} And the home base is something like that , something simple . Well and then I just ordered the the buttons a bit . Uh basic buttons . On-off , mute . And th maybe two others , I dunno . Text buttons .", "Project Manager : Yeah , maybe the teletext tel", "User Interface : Yeah , text button , maybe there and there . And then the colour buttons , if we want it on . I don't find it very usable ,", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : but it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No , I don't uh {disfmarker} I don't like it .", "User Interface : Uh I don't think it's fits in the the modern theme as well . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : and then yeah we saw the the pla display , in the the iPod . They can put the basic buttons , one , two , three , four . And uh f above ten . {vocalsound} And I think {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But it {disfmarker} That's on on the display .", "User Interface : No no . That th there is no display there . But it's on the place of the display . And I think we should uh light this up much more than that part .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So the focus is on these two parts .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So you don't see all the buttons you else need .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} But it sounds very difficult to use . Because um the volume and channel is on the on the the bottom of it .", "User Interface : Uh well um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So you can't use your thumb for it .", "User Interface : This is how it is now . Um {disfmarker} Here uh {disfmarker} Well we have volume .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : I think it is on uh on the bottom too .", "Project Manager : down there . But it's not not the best best .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well here we have also side scrolls . I dunno if we can use that . Do we want to use {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , for volume . For volume , or a channel .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I've I've got something of that uh too .", "Project Manager : Yeah , why not .", "User Interface : For volume ? Well then we can even simplify it more .", "Industrial Designer : Scroll .", "User Interface : By just putting the volume on the side .", "Project Manager : And the channels as well .", "User Interface : And and just channel buttons here .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah .", "User Interface : But I think uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , or uh maybe uh {disfmarker} The channel buttons are often used . And you can't use them now with your thumb , because the thing is not , it's not easy to control .", "User Interface : Well . Yeah , well it's {disfmarker} Basically it's it's here .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah okay , m maybe we cho should put that on top , and buttons we we don't use on , in the bottom .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's better .", "User Interface : They're on top ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , just th th th other buttons like text T_V_ . Put that on the button bottom .", "Industrial Designer : Because uh you can't hold it . You can't hold it th the control and push the buttons .", "User Interface : You mean uh these to the low ?", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Yeah . Except from the on-off button .", "User Interface : Oh okay . Well , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But I I think w you'll use uh the switch channels buttons uh more often than the normal uh channel buttons , like one two three . So maybe we can put that on the bottom .", "User Interface : Mm {disfmarker} Maybe . I dunno , but yeah we'll {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Like zapping is just switching one channel at a time .", "User Interface : Yeah , maybe it's not easy if it's below . It's harder to zap . So I think uh it should be should be easy to {gap} . I think it's pretty standard , these rubber buttons on the top .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah okay .", "User Interface : And uh if you don't light 'em up , they don't uh {vocalsound} you don't see 'em very good .", "Industrial Designer : That's that's good , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think it's modern to light this area up , and to light this area up . So the focus gets on these parts and not on there .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah okay .", "User Interface : But uh the position of course can be different . It's s We have to look uh what's easy to use , and how it's easier to use .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So we can uh switch these to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : I dunno if it l will look good , if you put those on t on the bottom half .", "Industrial Designer : No , I think th the the top buttons are okay . They sh Those should be on top .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah , maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But uh we we can switch those two ,", "User Interface : Those two , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "User Interface : And uh , yeah , you have to make sure it's easy to uh {disfmarker} Yes , it has to be big enough so you can hold it , right . {gap}", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Well that's that's my findings . So uh my personal opinion is that we should go more modern look . M_P_ three player . And uh well um if we want to put in speech rec recognition or something , we {disfmarker} I don't think we should put it on top then . I think that , if we're gonna put in more technology , that you need to be able to uh switch it open .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , that's cool .", "User Interface : To use {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So if you put in uh speech recognition , you need so more uh many more buttons . Which won't look good on the front side I think .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "User Interface : So that's something we have to decide on .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we have to keep it simple .", "Project Manager : We have to decide this this lecture , or this this this uh fifty minutes , yeah , how it is gonna look .", "User Interface : Yeah . What we're gonna do . Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 11, "turns": [ 1, 42 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "important things", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that the situation was complex, so they need to simplify it. It was a challenge, but probably one of the most important ones, because what they offer to families with young children was one of the most important things they do.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About the Most Important Thing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "important things", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM; situation; complex; simplifying; challenge; most important challenge; in government; families; young children; most important things we do.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About the Most Important Thing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "childhood education", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that they would be aware of the programs to support both children and parents. It said that there was obvious evidence about how important early years could be for children, so that was one of their primary objectives. It said that they believe that high-quality childhood education and care system could support that.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About Childhood Education", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "childhood education", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM said that they believe that high-quality, early-childhood education and care system could support the early years for children.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Talking About Childhood Education", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "services", "speaker": "Jo-Anne Daniels" }, "summary": "Jo-Anne Daniels said, in Prosperity for All, in regards to systems, they were talking about the services that provided the health boards, so, health visiting, midwifery, other kinds of therapeutic services, and like the important services that local authorities were providing. Seven people worked with them to look at how the services were delivered, and how they could reorganize those services for better accessibility. Jo-Anne Daniels said they were in the early stages of mapping provisions of services.", "title": "Jo-Anne Daniels Talking About Services", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "services", "speaker": "Jo-Anne Daniels" }, "summary": "Jo-Anne Daniels said, they set out that early years were one of the key priority areas, they talked about a system and the services that were provided by the health board, so health visiting, midwifery, speech, language support and important services that local authorities were providing, such as support for parenting, advice and guidance, employment support and childcare. They've got eight pathfinders. Jo-Anne Daniels said, those eight pathfinders started their work in February, they were still in the early stages in terms of unpicking and mapping the provision of services and moving on to the stage where they'd develop proposals.", "title": "Jo-Anne Daniels Talking About Services", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "delivery", "speaker": "Jo-Anne Daniels , Hefin David AM" }, "summary": "Jo-Anne Daniels said that it started in February, and then they would develop proposals about how they changed the delivery of early years. Hefin David AM answered that in the report, one recommendation was the merge of The Welsh Government, local authority education, childcare policy, and delivery teams and asked a question to Jo-Anne Daniels, and it answered that probably not because the report was for the first year of the delivery. For example, they issued guidance last year regarding the delivery of the foundation phase.", "title": "Jo-Anne Daniels and Hefin David AM Talking About Delivery", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 29 ], [ 38, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "delivery", "speaker": "Jo-Anne Daniels , Hefin David AM" }, "summary": "Jo-Anne Daniels said since February this year could come proposals for the delivery of early years. Hefin David AM asked about the merge of various teams. Jo-Anne Danie answered that only the first year of the delivery.", "title": "Jo-Anne Daniels and Hefin David AM Talking About Delivery", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 29 ], [ 38, 39 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Hefin David AM : Good morning, Deputy Minister. What are your primary objectives? Is it supporting the development of children or getting parents into work?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, I think you'll be aware from the range of programmes that we've got that we do feel it\u2019s important to support both children and parents. There's obviously lots of evidence to show how important the early years are for children, how important they are for their development, and so, that is one of our primary objectives. But we also know how important it is for parents to have stable jobs, reasonably paid, so that can also help with the development of the children. So, we really see it that our plans are for both parents and children, and we believe that a high-quality, early-childhood education and care system can provide that. And, of course, in terms of when we talk about jobs as well, I think it\u2019s really important to remember that the childcare system is a big employer as well and a very important employer. So that, actually, itself provides jobs.", "Hefin David AM : So, the evidence we've seen suggests that, historically, Governments in the UK and devolved have focused on primarily getting parents into work. So, are you suggesting then that your focus is to change that and move towards early child development?", "Julie Morgan AM : No, what I'm saying is that we want to give parents the opportunity to work. We don't want childcare to be a barrier to parents working because we think that working is one the best routes out of poverty, but we do also want to make sure that children have the greatest experience that they can have in the early years. So, we see it as one.", "Hefin David AM : Okay. And that's quite a policy challenge to deliver both at the same time.", "Julie Morgan AM : The situation as it is is complex, and I think it needs simplifying. It is a challenge, but it\u2019s probably one of the most important challenges we've got in Government, because what we offer to families with young children is one of the most important things we do.", "Hefin David AM : And in your evidence to the committee, you said that the Welsh Government\u2019s approach 'will build on a wide variety of programmes that are continually developing in order to support parents, families and children during the early years.' And you've just said you want to simplify that. How do you simplify that, particularly with regard to the provision of funding and the way these things connect from the birth of a child into school? How will simplification look, and what will happen?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, we're not at the stage of being able to say what it will look like at the moment, but we're looking at ways of simplifying, because I think it\u2019s absolutely right, it is a very complex system, because it\u2019s grown up from all different routes. But we are having lots of pilot projects that are looking at ways of simplifying the system. We have got pathway projects in, I think it\u2019s eight local authorities, who are looking at ways of joining up the whole system. So, we are looking at that, and I absolutely except that it is very complex and we want to find ways of making it simpler and easier to understand. So, we are working with local authorities and health boards to see how we can actually work together and simplify things.", "Hefin David AM : And it's good to hear that that's your objective. Can I just come back to the first thing you said: 'We can't say yet what we're going to do'?", "Julie Morgan AM : No.", "Hefin David AM : So, when will we have a policy plan and something that we can interrogate in more detail?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, I think we are near getting to an announcement where we will be able to say what direction we're going in, and because we have had\u2014. Some of this work has been going on for a year or so, and we're getting the results of those pathfinder projects coming in. So, when we do have all those results, we will be able to say the direction that we want to go in, and I hope we'll be able to do that very soon.", "Hefin David AM : Before Christmas?", "Julie Morgan AM : I hope so.", "Hefin David AM : Okay. And finally from me\u2014", "Julie Morgan AM : I'm sorry I can't say too much about that because we haven't actually\u2014. We need to\u2014.", "Hefin David AM : Well, it does sound like something is imminent.", "Julie Morgan AM : Yes.", "Hefin David AM : Okay. And that's as far as you're willing to go. And if that's as far as you're willing to go, then I'll stop asking.", "Lynne Neagle AM : I've got a supplementary from Si\u00e2n.", "Hefin David AM : Okay.", "Julie Morgan AM : Yes, that's fine.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : I just want to understand a little about the pilot, the pathfinders in eight local authority areas. Is the focus there on the child or is it on parents returning to work?", "Julie Morgan AM : The focus is on an early years system, but we've worked both locally and nationally. So, it's looking at both. I mean, actually, I think, perhaps, Nicola, would you like to or one of you like to describe one of the programmes?", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And can you just explain the vision? Is it a child-centred early years provision that we're thinking of in these pathfinder\u2014?", "Jo-Anne Daniels : So, in 'Prosperity for All', we set out that early years was one of the key priority areas, and within that we said that we wanted to create a more joined-up and more responsive system. So, when we talk about a system, we're talking about the services that are provided by health boards, so health visiting, midwifery, speech and language support, other kinds of therapeutic services, as well as all the important services that local authorities are providing, such as support for parenting, advice and guidance, employment support and childcare, obviously. And we've got eight pathfinders. I'll try and remember each of them. So, Flintshire, Newport, Blaenau Gwent, Neath Port Talbot, Swansea, Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire\u2014and then I've missed one, I think, because I've only got to seven\u2014who have been working with us to look at how all of those services are currently delivered in their local area and whether and how they can reorganise those services to improve accessibility, to improve take-up, but essentially to improve the efficacy of those programmes in terms of supporting children, but often, obviously, in supporting children you have to support parents too and support the home.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, would you say it's a child-centred approach?", "Jo-Anne Daniels : Absolutely, because it's about making sure that we deliver the best start in life for children in Wales, but obviously parents are a critical element of that, so can't be excluded.", "Lynne Neagle AM : And how long have they been going for?", "Jo-Anne Daniels : So, those eight pathfinders started their work in\u2014I think it was\u2014February this year. And they're still in the very early stages in terms of actually unpicking and mapping the current provision of services across their areas and then moving on to the stage where they'll develop proposals for how they might change the delivery of early years.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Julie.", "Julie Morgan AM : Just to say also, the one in Flintshire is also testing the impact of consistent funding rates for education and childcare. So, that's been going longer than the others. So, that's another important area because there's an evaluation of that project under way at the moment.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you.", "Jo-Anne Daniels : Sorry, but Caerphilly was the one that I forgot to mention.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Oh dear. [Laughter.]", "Hefin David AM : That's absolutely unforgivable. [Laughter.]", "Lynne Neagle AM : Hefin. [Laughter.]", "Julie Morgan AM : Very significant.", "Hefin David AM : In your report, the 'Alignment of the Childcare Offer for Wales to the Foundation Phase', one of the recommendations was that 'The Welsh Government, local authority education and childcare policy and delivery teams could merge'. So, looking behind the scenes, those disparate parts of policy, delivering the foundation phase and childcare offer should merge. Is that the case? Has that been put under way and should we be looking at this structure in more depth?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, probably not at the structure at this time because the report that you're referring to was looking at the first year of the delivery of the childcare offer and it did make a number of points, which we have taken on board. For example, we issued guidance last year regarding the delivery of the foundation phase, which supports widening the number of non-maintained settings that are able to deliver early education and we're also supporting co-location and partnership working between education and childcare providers through our capital investment programme. I think it's about \u00a381 million that we put into the capital investment where we are developing\u00a0childcare facilities co-located with the education facilities, because that was one of the things that came out from this report you're referring to. And, I mean, obviously, early years is one of the key priorities within 'Prosperity for All' and, obviously, education sits within one portfolio with the Minister for Education, and childcare is with me. But we're doing what we can to work together to try to bring those together, and that was one of the proposals in that report. But it's still very early to think about, at this stage, a structural change.", "Hefin David AM : And I remember when you were on the committee here with me, sitting next to me, we had those discussions about co-location. I know the problem with not having co-location is that you could end up seeing a child travelling between three or more locations during the course of a day. Are you suggesting now that the actions you're taking will resolve that issue universally, or will it lead to a piecemeal resolution? And, if so, to what extent, what percentage of children will see that resolved as an issue?", "Julie Morgan AM : Certainly, the co-location is not going to solve it universally because although we've been able to develop a lot of new facilities, or build on old facilities, there will be a lot of areas that we won't have covered. So, I can't say that there's going to be a situation where everything is going to be co-located because I don't think that would be feasible, and,for some of the providers, they wouldn't be in a position to move to a school. But ideally it's a good situation, but, certainly, I think the discussions that there were on the committee, it's not ideal to take children for long distances between different providers, let alone the effect it has on the climate change issue. It's whether it's good for children as well. So, I can't say that they will ever be co-located, but as I said in response to your earlier question, we are encouraging the development of the foundation phase in non-maintained settings, which, obviously, is quite significant." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 90, "turns": [ 42, 122 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product requirements , market survey", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The product requirements based on the market survey were, first how it looked and felt, the control should be different than others, so, with the changeable cases, people chose the look and feel option, second, it was technologically innovative, with functions like speech recognition, lost and found function and LCD screen, and third the control was easy to use, because that reason, the people had an intuitive idea about how it was used.", "title": "Product Requirements According to the Results of the Market Survey", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product requirements , market survey", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing; We basically used; some focus group surveys; results; most important; was the look and feel; That was twice as; important as; it has to be technologically innovative; Third; it has to be easy to use.", "title": "Product Requirements According to the Results of the Market Survey", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product requirements", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing recommended that the most important features were the look and the feel, being exciting, trendy, with bright colors, eye-catching, really bold designs, spongy feel and different from the other controls, in the second position that it was technologically innovative with really cool features for the user, and in the third position that it was easy to use, so, the people saw it and had the intuitive idea about how to use it.", "title": "Recommended Product Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product requirements", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing recommended that the look and feel should be different from the others controls, that it was technologically innovative, and that it was easy to use.", "title": "Recommended Product Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "changeable cover , product requirements", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager thought that the changeable cover maybe was good but did not know if the superiors were glad about that, but with some versions, they got post-sale and could be sold for three or five Euro each one.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion of the Changeable Covers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 41, 47 ], [ 55, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "changeable cover , product requirements", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the changeable cover maybe was a good idea but did not know if the superiors would so glad about it because of the very complicated organization, but did change of opinion because with three or four versions they got post-sale and the case could be sold for three or five Euro each one.", "title": "Project Manager's Opinion of the Changeable Covers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 41, 47 ], [ 55, 60 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Okay so this is just a presentation on uh the trends that we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment . Um can I just put this on ? So we have to work out a way {disfmarker} what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it . Um . This is {disfmarker} to do this I will not remove my microphone . {vocalsound} We basically used um some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time , the main results of that , and um some research on the current design um and fashion trends that are out there at the moment um ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and as part of this {disfmarker} The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really . The most important by far was the look and feel of it . It needs to be something that's very different from everything else out there . It needs to stand out {vocalsound} . It needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment . Most people find remote controls boring at the moment , we need to have something that looks interesting , that looks exciting , that will stand out . People will wanna buy it . Um {disfmarker} That was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative {disfmarker} has to have something else , apart from just the look of it . People have to then think about it and say {gap} got something there that I want . That's a really cool feature , and it has to make them wanna buy it again . Third on the list , and again innovative was twice as important as this last um aspect , it has to be easy to use . So they have to be able to {disfmarker} be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it um . Drawing on the fashion trends at the moment , uh fruit and vegetables um . This is basically talking about just the the feel of it , so probably not the smell of it , but the bright colours , um eye-catching , really bold designs , and a spongy feel .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Um I had a talk to the design people about this , but having a remote that's tactile , that feels different , that would be really cool . That would make it stand out . Um .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said ?", "Project Manager : Spongy feel ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh about the feeling yeah uh yo", "Marketing : Well", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You can {disfmarker}", "Marketing : ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing . Spongy is the current texture , but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all , so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something , that'll be something that sets it apart ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So as far as the design goes , the very most important aspect was the design , to the customers . So going with the fruit and vegetable idea , we've got the bright colours , so makes it stand out , the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours , part of the fruit and vegetables um . Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones , they've all got those {disfmarker} a lot of them have the changeable covers , so they can choose what colour the outside is . That's one way of looking at it um . Textured feel we just talked about . Maybe it's another way of doing that .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So if it's part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture , a spongy one or a soft one or something like that . So they can choose it li as they want to to maybe {disfmarker} to fit in with their decor in their living room , or just what they like , their sports team or whatever .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah that's a very good idea , yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Um and yeah , still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality , the way the mobile phones work , the way the keypad looks . Also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment . They're big selling items . People put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that , and we can start using some of their ideas . Um back to technological in in innovation , not quite as important , but still a big issue . Um we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost , uh that's one thing we could look at . There are other aspects like L_C_D_ screens and speech recognition which weren't {disfmarker} I don't think , in my personal opinion , gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them . I think we're better doing something basic like this", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : which is very important and very {disfmarker} will be a really cool feature to put in . And {disfmarker} {gap} use . I had no real specific ideas for this , maybe we just , the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe , by themselves ,", "Project Manager : Mm . Yes well", "Marketing : and then {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : maybe Matthew can can give some more information on the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : yeah", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {disfmarker} and then th th the finer details of buttons you don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Yep {vocalsound} and that's the presentation .", "User Interface : Voila .", "Project Manager : Okay good , that's very clear .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah very clear .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . Um . Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that ? I think you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Maybe we yes well we maybe {vocalsound} can decide later on um {vocalsound} the l the the look and feel of uh I've {disfmarker} it was a good idea maybe to to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : To let the people choose , {gap} you mean ?", "Project Manager : Yes the the the there are changeable covers ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because {vocalsound} you have to introduce a complete uh uh new l line of uh of supplies", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : uh it would be uh very complicated uh organisational {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well we're selling so many units of this . This is gonna be a mass marketed product , we can afford to have two or three different designs at least .", "Project Manager : Hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah a range of uh yeah , a set of three , four different aspects .", "Marketing : Mm mm .", "Project Manager : Yes . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Sure that fits the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yes {gap} and of course it will be a we we get a {disfmarker} if it works we can get uh after-sales", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : I mean that would {gap} would be very good I mean those covers could go for for three , five Euro {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : That's a very good idea um {disfmarker} And then uh maybe uh we can go a th Matthew's presentation because", "User Interface : Yeah", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : s", "Project Manager : the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : then we could discuss later like {disfmarker} we can put all ideas together .", "Project Manager : Together indeed uh ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : It should be easier with that .", "Project Manager : because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah I agree .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm , yeah .", "Project Manager : what you were already mentioning .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And your part is very related to mine", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside .", "User Interface : Yeah so {vocalsound} I'll I'll go with that actually", "Marketing : Mm-hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 18, "turns": [ 74, 81 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "diamond", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , John Griffiths AM" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM asked Kirsty Williams AM about the existing education deficit that persisted even without Brexit, to this question Kirsty Williams responded that the government had been working to implement the recommendations of Reid, and that one of the principles behind the Diamond was moving to a more sustainable funding.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM and John Griffiths' View on Diamond Proposals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "diamond", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM , John Griffiths AM" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM asked about education deficit, Kirsty Williams AM mentioned Government would implement the Diamond proposals, moving to a sustainable funding.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM and John Griffiths' View on Diamond Proposals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "multi-year funding", "speaker": "John Griffiths AM , Eluned Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Jonh Griffiths AM asked about the European funding and the HE and FE, focusing on the multi-year funding settlements for HE, and indeed for FE, moving forward beyond Brexit. To this question, Eluned Morgan AM responded that the multi-annual nature of the European funding programs had been very useful, and added that people could plan and get staffing in place.", "title": "Multi-Year Funding from Eluned Morgan AM's View", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "multi-year funding", "speaker": "John Griffiths AM , Eluned Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Jonh Griffiths AM asked about the European multi-year funding settlements for HE and FE. Eluned Morgan answered that the multi-annual nature of the European funding programs had been very useful.", "title": "Multi-Year Funding from Eluned Morgan AM's View", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 6 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. The next questions are from John Griffiths.", "John Griffiths AM : I have some questions on the sustainability\u00a0of higher and further education. Firstly, with regard to higher education, we heard that, even without Brexit, higher education\u00a0is in managed deficit, whilst the funding announcements from Diamond and Reid are awaited. So, is that a concern to Welsh Government, and could Welsh Government\u00a0take away that uncertainty by outlining a clear funding commitment to the Diamond and Reid reviews?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Welsh Government is fully committed, John, to implementing the Diamond review proposals. It's a commitment\u00a0that was an element of the agreement between myself and the First Minister that\u00a0brought me into the administration, and we have been very clear with HEFCW about our expectations and what the implementation of Diamond will mean for grant going to HEFCW. And we've shared those figures\u00a0with them. With regard to Reid, we continue within Government to discuss how we can implement the recommendations of Reid, but one of the whole principles behind Diamond was to move us to a more sustainable funding settlement\u00a0for the HE sector in the round, that is fair to students, encourages those with the ability to partake in higher education\u00a0to do so, especially from those from a poorer background, as well as being able to provide our institutions\u00a0with the resources that they need.", "John Griffiths AM : So, you don't accept, then, that there hasn't been a clear funding commitment\u00a0from Welsh Government to those reviews\u2014the Diamond and\u00a0Reid reviews?", "Kirsty Williams AM : With regard to Diamond, I would absolutely refute that. We have been very clear and\u00a0we have shown HEFCW our analysis of the figures going forward in relation to what is sometimes called within the sector the 'Diamond dividend', although the Diamond dividend is never as big as people imagine the\u00a0Diamond dividend to be. But we've\u00a0been absolutely\u00a0clear with HEFCW and the sector on what that will mean. Now, with regard to Reid, those are ongoing discussions\u00a0that form part of the normal budgetary\u00a0process within\u00a0the Government, but I think we have been as clear as we can be with regard to Diamond.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. The second question, really, is about HE and FE and it's about European funding, which, of course, has been\u00a0and is on a multi-year basis, which gives, I think, a lot of security and comfort to the sectors, knowing what the budgets will be over a period of time. So, moving from that to a yearly budgeting situation would be worrying. So, would you commit\u00a0to introducing multi-year funding\u00a0settlements\u00a0for HE, and indeed for FE, moving forward beyond Brexit?", "Eluned Morgan AM : Shall I take this and give you a little bit of a break? She's not very well. I think the multi-annual nature of the European funding programmes has been very, very useful. People can plan, you can get staffing in place, you can have really strategic aims and I think that's really useful for the institutions involved. Of course, what we don't have is multi-annual budgeting from the UK Government. So, whilst\u00a0I think we would, in an ideal world, like to see a better view of what's coming our way, it's extremely\u00a0difficult for us to be able to offer that without having that\u00a0multi-annual funding commitment from the UK Government. So, I think that will be a major, major loss for the institutions concerned. Of course, it's not just about ESF and apprenticeships\u2014it's also about ERDF funding. So, you mustn't forget that, actually, there's been a lot of ERDF funding that's gone into these institutions. Swansea University, you'll be aware, has been practically rebuilt with ERDF. Also, FE colleges\u2014we've got Coleg y Cymoedd, the college in Blaenau Gwent. These have been built, largely, with European funding. It's because of the multi-annual nature of the fact that we've been able to prepare for them that they have been able to progress. So, that will be a huge loss, but I think it's really important that we don't forget the ERDF aspect in addition to the ESF impact that there will be on these institutions.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. As far as further education is concerned, in your paper you state that it's a priority to support the FE sector to maintain all the learning opportunities that currently take place under European Union funding. So, would you be able to give the committee an idea of the level of resource you would estimate that the sector requires to achieve that priority, and\u2014? I'll stop there for the moment." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 0, 6 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teletext", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager said teletext was not important given the rise of the internet and that the directive only wanted to cover television, but Project Manager said it was not clear if they wanted to cover videos, DVDs or satellite boxes.", "title": "Product Use", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teletext", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager, problems with existing remote controls, boring shape and boring colour, need to be contoured to make it interesting, should have interchangeable fascias; new project requirements, teletext, no longer of any importance given the rise of the internet; don't want it to cover teletext; actual wording of the directive, should cover television only; people, don't look at teletext anymore, ok at other things; the device, incorporate the company logo and colours, has to be simple, what people want, get it to the market quickly, need to talk that through, after the meeting, summarised.", "title": "Product Use", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote controls , new project requirements", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said existing remote controls were boring and they needed new project requirements, to be more interesting with different shapes and colors, with interchangeable fascias and illuminated. Project Manager also said it shouldn't be too small.", "title": "Remote Controls Design", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote controls , new project requirements", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said existing remote controls were boring shape and boring color and that it needed new project requirements, like being contoured to make it interesting. Project Manager said it should have interchangeable fascias, so people could personalize it, and illuminated so that people could see it in dark rooms. Project Manager said they needed to make sure the device controls several items. Project Manager mentioned that remote controls shouldn't be too small, that it gets lost. Project Manager said that the actual wording of the directive was that it should cover television only and teletext was no longer of any importance.", "title": "Remote Controls Design", "relevant_turns": [ 3 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , welcome to the second meeting of this uh design group . Um {vocalsound} I'll briefly go through the uh notes of the of the last meeting uh just done in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals , because we're working strictly as a team here and uh n nobody's working equally ,", "User Interface : Sorry .", "Project Manager : so uh . Um we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the uh b a boring shape and boring colour . Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device um controls several items , that switching was easy , that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uh anything in particular , um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting , that the keys might be concave , simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of . Um should have interchangeable fascias so people can personalise it , um illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms . Um and that people might want it as as {disfmarker} in addition to their existing remote controls . Um {vocalsound} and that it sh it should just always work , whenever you uh um mm uh use it . And that it shouldn't be too small , mm that it it gets lost . Um . {gap} Now uh uh I'll shortly ask for for three three presentations . Uh before I do that , however , I will go through some new project requirements that um {disfmarker} the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the first meeting . Um the uh the ma the management has had it's own thoughts on this and uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought . Um and and then we'll {disfmarker} as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device um actually b carrying out , and we have uh forty minutes to do this in and I uh {disfmarker} Anyway . Okay . Now , the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longer of any importance given the uh the rise of the internet . Um and and they want it only to cover televisions . Um now , what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they don't want it to cover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover , you know , videos , D_V_D_s , um satellite boxes , which uh {disfmarker} I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise . The um the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only . Um and on that basis um I I think we we need to bear that in mind , um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even when they uh no longer {disfmarker} they don't look at teletext anymore , they certainly do look at other things . Um {vocalsound} the device has to incorporate the company logo and colours . Um the the logo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there , the the the two R_s in grey against uh a yellow background . Um now this doesn't {vocalsound} necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market . But uh do do introduce some some constraints as to how we might do that . Um it also has to be simple , which to some extent goes along w with the first one , and that {disfmarker} we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people want anyway . Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly , which um mm {vocalsound} uh is is is their choice , but uh um we we need to talk that through . Um okay , so uh after the meeting it'll be summarised and uh", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : um notes sent out and uh etcetera . Okay , so {vocalsound} we'll first of all mm have individual reports from everybody . Um again I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} there is no order of precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to {disfmarker} who who who thinks they would like to go go first ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 669, 749 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "probability computation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad D said that during probability computation what they shouldn't do was to for every combination of E and V and A and other letters give a number because it would not be desirable. Instead, they needed to find some principled way of saying what each of them was and be a valid probability distribution and added up to one.", "title": "Computation of Probability Combination", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "probability computation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad D said a valid probability should add to one so they needed to find some principled way of knowing each combination for better computation.", "title": "Computation of Probability Combination", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mixture , experts , probability computation", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D said that in certain situations where each expert has been given a single weight, one of the experts could be more reliable and in certain situations, the other expert more reliable and so a mixture of experts should be required to handle such situations by having a new thing called \"H\". This H node looked at the values of the guys and decided which of the given values would it's more reliable or most reliable.", "title": "Mixture of Experts in Probability Computation", "relevant_turns": [ 58 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "mixture , experts , probability computation", "speaker": "Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad D said a mixture of experts handles the case where one of the experts was more reliable and in certain situations the other expert was more reliable.", "title": "Mixture of Experts in Probability Computation", "relevant_turns": [ 58 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "point", "speaker": "Grad D , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad D said that in order to have a valid probability distribution, they needed the W's to sum to one like having point one, point three, point two and point four. Grad C added the probability would be W one time.", "title": "Replacing Number with Point", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "point", "speaker": "Grad D , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad D said in order for them to be a valid probability distribution they just needed that the W's sum to one like having point one, point three, point two, and point four and that would be one and it seemed to work fine. Grad C said the probability that Y equals A would be W one.", "title": "Replacing Number with Point", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "probability", "speaker": "Grad D , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad D said that they needed to find a principled way of having the numbers have valid probability distribution so the sum added to one. Professor B suggested that assumed symmetry and equal weights.", "title": "Criteria of Using Probability Method", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "probability", "speaker": "Grad D , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad D; we want it to be a valid probability distribution, so we want it to add up to one; for example here two people have voted for A, one has voted for V, and one has voted for E; probability of being E is one over four, because one person voted for E out of four; Professor B; this assumes symmetry and equal weights and all this sort of things which may or may not be a good assumption.", "title": "Criteria of Using Probability Method", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 37 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : Alright , so e we have to figure out some eh eh uh basically display hack or something to do this because anyway I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} let me consi suggest that 's a s not a first - order consideration , we have two first - order considerations which is what are the uh influences A , A , and B how do they get combined mathematically , how do we display them is an issue , but um", "Grad C : I don't , yeah I just don't think this has been designed to support something like that .", "Grad D : Yeah . Yeah , I {disfmarker} I mean , it might soon , if this is gonna be used in a serious way like java base then it might soon be necessary to uh start modifying it for our purposes .", "Professor B : Right . Yeah , and Um I {disfmarker} that seems like a perfectly feasible thing to get into , but um we have to know what we want first . OK , so why don't you tell us a little bit about decision nodes and what {disfmarker} what the choices might be for these ?", "Grad D : So Ah , sorry . I guess that 's", "Grad C : You can technically wear that as you 're talking .", "Grad D : Yeah , it 's right , I guess I can do that .", "Grad A : Darn .", "Professor B : Put it in your , yeah .", "Grad D : I guess this board works fine . So um recall the basic problem which is that um you have a belief - net and you have like a lot of different nodes all contributing to one node . Right ? So as we discussed specifying this kind of thing is a big pain and it 's so will take a long time to write down because for example if these S have three possibilities each and this has three possibilities then you know you have two hundred and forty - three possibilities which is already a lot of numbers to write down . So what um helps us in our situation is that these all have values in the same set , right ? These are all like saying EV or A , right ? So it 's not just a generalized situation like I mean basically we wanna just take a combination of {disfmarker} we wanna view each of these as experts ea who are each of them is making a decision based on some factors and we wanna sort of combine their decisions and create you know , um sorta weighted combination .", "Grad E : Hmm . ROVER , the ROVER decision .", "Grad D : The what decision ?", "Grad E : ROVER . All of their outputs combined to make a decision .", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad D : Yeah . Yeah . So the problem is to specify the uh so the conditional property of this given all those , right ? That 's the way belief - nets are defined , like each node given its parents , right ? So um that 's what we want , we want for example P of um let 's call this guy Y and let 's call these X - one , X - two XN , right . So we want probability that Y equals , you know , for example um E given that these guys are I 'll just refer to this as like X um hat or something , uh the co like all of them ? Given that for example the data says you know , A , V , A , E , or something right ?", "Professor B : Yep .", "Grad D : So we would like to do this kind of combination .", "Professor B : Alright , so um Is that uh I {disfmarker} yeah , I just wanna make sure everybody is with us before he goes on .", "Grad A : I think so , yeah .", "Professor B : It 's {disfmarker} it 's cl e is {disfmarker} is it clear what he wants to compute ?", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Right . So , right . So Basically um {vocalsound} what we don't wanna do is to for every single combination of E and V and A and every single letter E , s give a number", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : because that 's obviously not desirable . What we wanna do is find some principled way of um saying what each of these is and we want it to be a valid probability distribution , so we want it to um add up to one , right ?", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad D : So those are the two things that we uh need . So what uh I guess , what Jerry suggested earlier was basically that we , you know view these guys as voting and we just take the uh we essentially take um averages , right ? So for example here two people have voted for A , one has voted for V , and one has voted for E , so we could say that the probabilities are , you know , probability of being E is one over four , because one person voted for E out of four and similarly , probability of so this is probability of E s and then probability of A given all that is um two out of four and probability of V is one out of four . Right ? So that 's step {disfmarker} that 's the uh yeah that 's the {disfmarker} that 's the basic uh thing . Now", "Grad E : Um Yeah .", "Grad D : Is that all OK ?", "Grad E : And that one outcome , that 's", "Professor B : What ?", "Grad E : it 's X {disfmarker} X - one voted for A X - two voted for V", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : and so forth ?", "Professor B : Y right . Yep .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Grad E : Yeah .", "Professor B : S so this assumes symmetry and equal weights and all this sort of things , which may or may not be a good assumption ,", "Grad E : That 's the outcome .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm . Right .", "Professor B : so that", "Grad D : Yeah . Yeah . So step two is um right . So we 've assumed equal weights whereas it might turn out that you know , some w be that for example , what the um the actual the uh verbal content of what the person said , like what uh what might be uh somehow more uh important than the uh", "Grad C : X - one matters more i than X - two or", "Grad D : Right . Sure , so we don't wanna like give them all equal weight so currently we 've been giving them all weight one fourth so we could replace this by uh W - one , W - two , W - three , and W - four", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad D : right ? And in order for this to be a valid probability distribution for each um X - hat , we just need that the W 's sum to one . So they can be for example , you know you {disfmarker} you could have point one , point three , point two , and point four , say .", "Grad E : That 's one .", "Grad D : And that 'd be one . So that um also seems to work fine . And uh", "Grad C : So I jus just to make sure I understand this , so in this case um we would still compute the average ?", "Grad D : You 'd compute the weighted average , so the probability of E would be uh", "Grad C : OK , so {disfmarker} so it 'd be so in this case the probability that Y equals A would be uh {comment} W one times {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Point three .", "Grad C : or A or {disfmarker} let 's see , one full quarter times point one", "Grad D : Not one quarter ,", "Grad A : No .", "Grad D : so these numbers have been replaced with point one , point three , point two , and point four . So you can view these as gone .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : Probability of", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad D : Yeah . Yeah . OK . So , alright . So this is uh step two . So the next possibility is that um we 've given just a single weight to each expert , right , whereas it might be the case that um in certain situations one of the experts is more uh reliable and in certain situations the other expert is more reliable . So the way this is handled is by what 's called a mixture of experts , so what you can have is you augment these diagrams like this so you have a new thing called \" H \" , OK ? This is a hidden variable . And what this is is it gets its input from X - one , X - two , X - three , and X - four , and what it does is it decides which of the experts is to be trusted in this particular situation . Right ? And then these guys all come here . OK . So this is sightly uh more complicated . So what 's going on is that um this H node looks at these four values of those guys and it decides in given these values which of these isn't likely to be more reliable or most reliable . So H produces some you know , it produces a number , either one , two , three , or four , in our situation , right ? Now this guy he looks at the value of H say it 's two , and then he just selects the uh thing . That 's all there is to say , I guess about it . Right , so you can have a mixture that", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Right .", "Grad A : So {disfmarker} so the function of the thing that comes out of H is very different from the function of the other inputs . It 's driving how the other four are interpreted . OK .", "Grad D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Grad C : So H passes a vector on to the next node ?", "Grad D : It could .", "Grad C : It could ? A vector of the weights as the se", "Grad D : Yeah , it could", "Grad C : oh .", "Grad D : Sorry ?", "Grad A : Well a vector with three zero 's and one one , right ?", "Grad C : Oh it 's basically to tell the bottom node which one of the situations that it 's in or which one of the weighting systems", "Grad D : Right , so I mean the way you desc", "Grad C : W I was just , if you wanted to pay attention to more than one you could pass a w a weighting s system though too , couldn't you ? OK .", "Grad A : Um Does H have to have another input to tell it alpha , beta , whatever , or is the {disfmarker} that 's determined by what the experts are saying , like the type of situ OK . Hmm . OK . OK . I mean It {disfmarker} it just seems that like without that {disfmarker} that outside input that you 've got a situation where , you know , like if {disfmarker} if uh X - one says no , you know , a low value coming out of X - on or i if X - one says no then ignore X - one , you know , I mean that seems like that 'd be weird ,", "Grad D : Yeah , well could be things like if X - two and X - three say yes then i ignore X - one also .", "Grad A : right ? Oh , OK . OK . Alright , right .", "Grad C : Oh The situations that H has , are they built into the net or OK , so they {disfmarker} they could either be hand coded or learned or OK .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Grad C : Based on training data , OK .", "Grad D : Yeah . Yes .", "Grad C : So you specify one of these things for every one of those possi possible situations . Oh yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 28, "turns": [ 117, 882 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "industrial design , quotation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "While discussing quotation and industrial design, Project Manager said they needed to calculate the production cost, to have a remote control under twelve and point fifty Euros, also said the solar receptor they had could be put outside without increasing the price.", "title": "Construction and Power Supply Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "industrial design , quotation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "In the matter of quotation, Project Manager said they needed a remote control no more expensive than twelve and point fifty Euros, otherwise the case would have to be redesigned. Discussing industrial design, Project Manager said they had battery and solar cells, and that the solar receptor they had could be put outside without increasing the price.", "title": "Construction and Power Supply Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "solar cells , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the solar cells were expensive but with marketing it would be a technological innovation for the industrial design.", "title": "Solar Cells", "relevant_turns": [ [ 614, 630 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "solar cells", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Solar cells, interesting; expensive, but, technologically, innovative; Industrial Designer, yeah.", "title": "Solar Cells", "relevant_turns": [ [ 614, 630 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "disagree , new ideas , future products", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "When discussing new ideas about future products, like what would be fashion, Industrial Designer found interesting the idea of using fruits for the remote. Marketing disagreed on trusting completely the trends, arguing they didn't last forever.", "title": "Industrial Designer and Marketing's Opinion on Trends and Fashion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 669, 670 ], [ 687, 703 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "disagree , new ideas , future products", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "The team discussed new ideas for future products, like which would be fashion. Industrial Designer suggested a yellow lemon TV. Marketing disagreed, saying not to trust too much the trends, as fruit and vegetables wouldn't last for ten years. Industrial Designer argued that if the people changed their mind, the product could too.", "title": "Industrial Designer and Marketing's Opinion on Trends and Fashion", "relevant_turns": [ [ 669, 670 ], [ 687, 703 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The product had four buttons and a scroll wheel with a push button, but Project Manager said that they needed only one button and a wheel with a push button. The team agreed.", "title": "Buttons Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 552, 558 ], [ 580, 593 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The team had four buttons in the product plus and an integrated scroll wheel. Industrial Designer proposed to remove some buttons. Project Manager said it only needed maybe just one button. Project Manager suggested one button and scroll wheel with push button on it. The team agreed to have a scroll wheel with push button and a push button.", "title": "Buttons Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 552, 558 ], [ 580, 593 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer and User Interface chose plastic for the case.", "title": "Case Material", "relevant_turns": [ [ 455, 469 ], [ 475, 477 ], [ 526, 535 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested to use plastic instead of wood for the case. User Interface said plastic was free.", "title": "Case Material", "relevant_turns": [ [ 455, 469 ], [ 475, 477 ], [ 526, 535 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "single curved", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager and Industrial Designer suggested the single curved case.", "title": "Case Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 470, 474 ], [ 559, 571 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "single curved", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about the single or double curved case. Industrial Designer said they had to modify it due to the buttons, so they could transform the double curve into single.", "title": "Case Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 470, 474 ], [ 559, 571 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "expensive", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Discussing selling the remote control, both Marketing and User Interface proposed to sell it in twenty five Euros, Project Manager thought it was expensive, but Marketing said it was cheap.", "title": "Sell Price for the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 747, 765 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "expensive", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager, to sell it. Marketing, twenty five Euros. User Interface, twenty five Euros, yeah. Project Manager, little bit expensive. Marketing, cheap.", "title": "Sell Price for the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 747, 765 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The product had battery and solar cells. Project Manager said maybe the battery was not necessary, only solar cells, but Industrial Designer said it was a bad idea.", "title": "Energy Source", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 12 ], [ 437, 442 ], 576, 577 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "battery", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, battery. Project Manager, only solar cell.", "title": "Energy Source", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 12 ], [ 437, 442 ], 576, 577 ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : So what we w what I can add is that , you know {vocalsound} he talk about what is outside , so what is inside is what we dis what we talked before about , you know , the chip ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : it is a low level chip , and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So we cut it to see . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You know , we don't need to k {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : You know wi {vocalsound} the low level chips inside and you know the L_C_D_ button and the i", "User Interface : Okay . So where's the battery battery ?", "Industrial Designer : The battery it is under {gap} .", "Project Manager : In the base .", "Industrial Designer : It is in th in {disfmarker} in the base , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : In the basement . In the basement .", "User Interface : Base . Here ?", "Project Manager : And where is the solar solar cell ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But we say uh we sa we said solar .", "Project Manager : Where is the solar cell ?", "Industrial Designer : In fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh . Do you think it won't be {disfmarker} It won't cris increase the price ?", "User Interface : Okay", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} I don't think so ,", "Project Manager : Okay , we'll see after .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} but it it's might be okay , so .", "Project Manager : We will have first to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I it might be okay . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's the finance .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay and we we had a project prototype presentation with the evaluation . So as we all agree to accept , under certain conditions , the prototype , we'll have look to the final sh financial view .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm . Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So we need to calculate the production cost . As I said in the first meeting we need to have so a remote control that would cost not more than twelve and point fifty Euros .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And if not {disfmarker} if it's not the case y you would have to redesign it .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So , just have a look at the {disfmarker} okay here is the Excel sheet , so", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so it has the energy source . We have hand dynamo . No , we don't use that .", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : We have battery , right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we have battery .", "Project Manager : Kinetic , we don't have it , I suppose ,", "Industrial Designer : No ,", "Project Manager : but we have solar cells .", "Industrial Designer : um solar cells , yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , how many do y do you need , solar cells ? Do you think one would be enough , or {disfmarker} such as {vocalsound} as number of branches ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh I think in each ball you have three {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Three ?", "Industrial Designer : three uh yeah , three , yeah . Three {gap} three solar cells .", "Project Manager : So , electronic . Single simple chip on print ? Just one would be necessary ?", "Industrial Designer : S s simple , simple , yeah .", "Project Manager : One ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Zero for the others . And sample sensor , sample speaker . One ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm . One maybe , yeah .", "Project Manager : As we have voice recognition , I think .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : So the case .", "Industrial Designer : Is it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Is sh it {gap}", "Marketing : So we are all already nineteen .", "Industrial Designer : Wooden . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : just keep on going , just to have an idea .", "User Interface : The solar cell is too expensive . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Is {disfmarker} Yes a wooden pl I and that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : There's no wood , so plastic just only , I think .", "Project Manager : yeah , but what what about case ? Uncurved , flat , single curved , double curved . I think it's more like double curved .", "Marketing : That's gonna be double curved , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Double curve , yeah , double curve .", "Project Manager : One ?", "Industrial Designer : One , you have .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh wood ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But it's {disfmarker} yeah , a a rubber uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Rather four buttons .", "Project Manager : Uh do we need special colour ?", "Marketing : Oh no , interface .", "Project Manager : Y maybe , two ? We have two special colours .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah . Y y yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah that's special colours , sure .", "Project Manager : Push button .", "User Interface : Mm . Yeah , we have four .", "Industrial Designer : Five ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Five . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound} Scroll wheel . We don no .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : It it's more like integrated scor .", "Industrial Designer : I think that this will be like a scroll wheel , actually .", "User Interface : No no .", "Marketing : Yeah tha that's wheel .", "Industrial Designer : Y you tu you turn you turn it , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No no no , it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , maybe two scroll wheel , as we have the coarse coarse to fine scroll wheel .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , true . Yeah , yeah . Yeah . Okay , yeah , yeah . Scr", "Project Manager : So , no button supplements ?", "Marketing : I think the price is okay .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Um , no .", "Project Manager : Okay we {disfmarker} I think we have problem . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : L_C_ display , maybe . Interface .", "Project Manager : I think we s if we keep on adding things {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's okay . {vocalsound} {gap} fine {gap} .", "Project Manager : so we have to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah w one of the m key point is solar cells .", "Project Manager : Maybe if w t if suppose if we change and we g put just one ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Has it changed .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it was stage one , so .", "Marketing : No y i it did change , but", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : We have change the electronics to {disfmarker} from from the the the sample sensor to regular chip . Oh .", "Marketing : just imagine we have {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We have to delete the the sample sensor , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but we have {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} the the voice recognition ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : no ?", "Marketing : Yeah but this one one of the feature we were not really {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah it's the one it's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : m maybe we ha we have two versions , the first version , the basic version .", "Industrial Designer : I think you can transform the wood into plastic , maybe .", "User Interface : Advanced version we have speak .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Because uh it seems that this can be {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , if {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Or it would be better .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , wood into plastic and it it should be fine .", "User Interface : Plastic is free . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So , do we need special colour ?", "Marketing : Yeah , that's one of the requirement .", "Project Manager : Because we have red .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , red and yellow .", "Project Manager : Red and yellow .", "User Interface : Wait .", "Industrial Designer : Fancy .", "User Interface : We we can we can we c {vocalsound}", "Marketing : We could turn we could turn everything in either yellow or black .", "User Interface : yellow .", "Marketing : Black then is a regular colour , so .", "Project Manager : I think so we need {disfmarker} if we try to have a kind of", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : Yeah , one .", "Project Manager : pineapple bee . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . So push button then it's it's the next expensive one .", "Project Manager : Yeah . An but we have integrated scroll wheel with push dut button . And I think this is one . Integrated scroll wheel push button", "Marketing : Yeah , thi this might be .", "Project Manager : . So we'll {disfmarker} we have only one ? And push button .", "Marketing : Close to .", "Project Manager : So if we have all integrated i in the scroll wheel and push button , it's uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : One . I can remove maybe f you have five with push buttons , so we can just , I dunno , try to modify some of them to have {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : Okay , so what's the bottleneck ?", "User Interface : How about we change the sale ?", "Marketing : Double curved .", "Industrial Designer : Double curve . We can transform the double curve into single c yeah .", "Project Manager : Something flat .", "Industrial Designer : F some {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , but flat {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : S uncurved . Yeah , maybe not .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Single curve {gap} .", "Marketing : Case , what's the ca", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Single curve should be fine , so . Oh , what {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm . Nearly .", "User Interface : Ah we have one {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And then one Euro left .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Maybe don't bat no battery , only solar cells .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's it's a bad idea , so . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think there's a problem with the push push button . We only need maybe just one .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Two ?", "Project Manager : Just one .", "Industrial Designer : One . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's fine . That's fine . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay . Okay . {vocalsound} Agree .", "Project Manager : So {vocalsound} yeah , you will have {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So we have one button ,", "Industrial Designer : {gap} One s one scroll wheel , so", "Marketing : one wheel .", "Project Manager : So one button , and s scroll wheel with push button on it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And the vocal chord , it's fine . {gap} It I th it's fine .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It's good they're not charging anything for that . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So , yeah . It think we we've done good job , as the cost is", "User Interface : Cou could we have look {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : twelve fifty e", "User Interface : Could we have look at the p the the prod the p the cost ?", "Marketing : Yeah y actually it's wrong . We're not under twelve Euros and a half .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , but it's under or equal . It's not written . Sometimes it's under or equal .", "Industrial Designer : It's fine . It's under or equal . It's fine , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay . So let's say {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Twelve fifty .", "User Interface : Wha what {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's fine , twelve fifty uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : yeah . Which part is the most expensive part ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Solar cells .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think .", "Industrial Designer : The solar cells , r is i is it ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I think it's not t t", "Project Manager : I think , yeah . But it would i be interesting for our marketing team , to make a lot of advertisement concerning these solar cells to be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , to be able to si to sell it .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Cheaper .", "Marketing : That's nice argument ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , with mi", "Marketing : but if it's it's still four our of twelve .", "Industrial Designer : It's {disfmarker} it is really really uh really very very expensive , though .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe if uh {disfmarker} okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah but it will be technologically innova innovative , so . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah but we just have one button . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So it's easy to use and powerful , as the remote control a has only one button .", "Marketing : Easy . I don't know about powerful . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Easy , powerful .", "Industrial Designer : It's easy to use . It's very easy to use . {gap} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : So I don't think we need to redesign the p the product .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : Uh that's what we've just done .", "Industrial Designer : We've done it with {disfmarker} it is under the {disfmarker} if it was low , high or so .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um okay .", "Project Manager : Now {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} So what are we going to do with this project evaluation ?", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well I think we have just have to discuss if {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , okay , it's fine .", "Marketing : I dunno .", "Project Manager : So did you enjoy your clay modelling ?", "User Interface : Yes . Of course . This is my job . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah ? {vocalsound} Was it a nice way to create your remote control ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , it's uh it's good , to to create a control instead of a computer . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I think I find it really funny and amazing and interesting to go through all the process to {disfmarker} from the beginning to the end . And designing , looking at the chips , the solar cells and uh and it was very {vocalsound} informative for {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And for the marketing guy ?", "Marketing : Uh tha that was good but we should have more brainstorming like meetings , maybe .", "Industrial Designer : Yep {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : 'Cause we just presenting one is presenting his stuff", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : next one his stuff and then we try to combine afterwards , so it {disfmarker} um .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , okay .", "Project Manager : And new ideas about new products , maybe , wi which would be fashion and uh and yellow . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yellow . {vocalsound} I think you can think about a yellow T_V_ now after {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a fruit T_V_ or I dunno .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It can be an interesting I don't know {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yes , just lemon .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , just a lemon T_V_ it'd be {vocalsound} yellow lemon .", "User Interface : Yeah , but y you know the traditional T_V_ it's um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's flat , uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah yeah it's flat ,", "Project Manager : Squared ?", "User Interface : yeah the shape is very boring .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's right . It's really boring , yeah .", "User Interface : Could we come up with new T_V_ with {disfmarker} such as this kind of T_V_ ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So you can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have base , triangle base so you the T_V_ you can {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Ah , the lemon T_V_ with the pineapple remote control .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , that's {disfmarker} that would be really interesting , actually .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah . Because the T_V_ you {vocalsound} also {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh , that's interesting . You could f we could do a kind of fruit collection of electronics things . Electronic device .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} Device devi", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , but just don't trust too much the trends .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : The fruit ? {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Maybe {disfmarker}", "Marketing : 'Cause fruit and vegetables it won't last for ten years uh .", "Project Manager : Yeah , maybe la next year it will be insects .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Maybe two years it's dead .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But I think it's good to follow the f flow and you know make it now and after , you know , if the people change their mind you change also the product .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah , but this is good because it's not a long long life product .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : T_V_ is more like fifteen years , maybe , so .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah . That's a {disfmarker} yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : If you have a lemon lemon T_V_ for", "Industrial Designer : We can think about T_V_ with you know where you can change you know the aspects o like for the cell phones , you know .", "Marketing : fifteen years {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Customable T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , you customise it every ti so every ti if people change , you just change the appearance , and y y you can keep {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Ah such {disfmarker} yeah . You've already said mobile phones .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Tha that would that would make it . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , you can keep the global appearan", "Project Manager : Yeah , and following {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The mood of persons , the fashions uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's interesting , maybe we can create a a line of uh T_V_ with uh a a tr", "Industrial Designer : We int {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah , T_V_ , yeah . A T_V_ for autumn and a T_V_ for winter , you know , so it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So what i and do w is it {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Okay .", "Project Manager : So I think the costs are within the budget . We're just at twelve fifty Euros .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , the pr {gap} at {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : do you think you can celebrate your creation ?", "User Interface : And you can celebrate your leadership . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh , thanks a lot . {vocalsound} Thank you , mister David Jordan . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but I think f {vocalsound} it's really a celebrating object . {vocalsound} So it's yellow and very {disfmarker} a very ha it's very happy , so .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh it's it's a pr it's like {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . It's party party remote control .", "Project Manager : The thing now is to to sell it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , it's your job . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Sell it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : right , go and sell it . Goo and good luck , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay and the twelve fifty {disfmarker} twelve uh twelve {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh-huh . Twenty five Euros .", "User Interface : Twenty five Euros , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It should be fine .", "Marketing : Yeah , I think it's {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's maybe a little bit expensive . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Twenty five Euros .", "Marketing : It's cheap , yeah . {vocalsound} No , I {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No , it's not so expensive ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 38, "turns": [ 348, 451 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "vad", "speaker": "PhD C , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD C said they had a VAD which was like a neural net and trained on the noisy features. PhD A asked if the net could be used to do the VAD.", "title": "Application of Vad", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "vad", "speaker": "PhD C , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD C; we have a VAD which is like neur that's a neural net; that VAD was trained on the noisy features; right now we have, like, we have the cleaned-up features, so we can have a better VAD by training the net on the cleaned-up speech; PhD A; Can you use the same net that you that I was talking about to do the VAD.", "title": "Application of Vad", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "noise estimation", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD C said that they needed a VAD for noise estimation and to know where to put the VAD. Professor B added that keeping the same method but seeing if the noise estimation could be improved were related issues.", "title": "Improving the Noise Estimation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 36 ], [ 44, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "noise estimation", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD C suggested that they needed a VAD for noise estimation also like where to put the VAD because the final net which came after a chain of LDA plus everything took a long time to get a decision out of it and that it could actually be done for the final frame-dropping but not for the noise estimation. Professor B said that the initial decision to the silence or speech happened pretty quickly and suggested keeping the same method but checking if the noise estimation could be improved since they were sort of related issues.", "title": "Improving the Noise Estimation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 36 ], [ 44, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "net", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD E said they might keep idea of having neural net but add better features. PhD C added that they could have better VAD by training the net on clenaned-up speech.", "title": "Training of the Net", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 11 ], [ 26, 35 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "net", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD E said they might try to keep the same idea of having a neural net, but trained it on more data and added better features because the current net was just PLP features. PhD C added that they have the cleaned-up features so they could have a better VAD by training the net on the cleaned-up speech and that the final net which was the feature net came after a chain of LDA plus everything.", "title": "Training of the Net", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 11 ], [ 26, 35 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "phonological features", "speaker": "Grad D , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad D said he thought of starting from a set or subset of phonological features. Professor B suggested putting them in a synthetic speech.", "title": "Alternatives of Phonological Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 67, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "phonological features", "speaker": "Grad D , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad D said he thought about starting from a set of phonological features or a subset of them but John said it wasn't necessarily a good idea because the phonological features were sort of figments of imagination. Professor B suggested putting them in pretty reliably synthetic speech because would not have much trouble recognizing synthetic speech since they created it.", "title": "Alternatives of Phonological Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 67, 78 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : But , um . Well , I don't know . What {disfmarker} what do you , uh {disfmarker} what do you guys see as {disfmarker} as being what you would be doing in the next week , given wha what 's {pause} happened ?", "PhD C : Cure the VAD ?", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD A : What was that ?", "PhD C : VAD .", "PhD A : Oh .", "PhD C : And {disfmarker}", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD E : So , should we keep the same {disfmarker} ? I think we might try to keep the same idea of having a neural network , but {vocalsound} training it on more data and adding better features , I think , but {disfmarker} because the current network is just PLP features . Well , it 's trained on noisy {pause} PLP {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Just the cepstra . Yeah .", "PhD E : PLP features computed on noisy speech . But {vocalsound} {vocalsound} there is no nothing particularly robust in these features .", "PhD A : So , I I uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : No .", "PhD E : There 's no RASTA , no {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So , uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember what you said {vocalsound} the answer to my , uh , question earlier . Will you {disfmarker} will you train the net on {disfmarker} after you 've done the spectral subtraction or the Wiener filtering ?", "Professor B : This is a different net .", "PhD A : Oh .", "PhD C : So we have a VAD which is like neur that 's a neural net .", "PhD E : Oh , yeah . Hmm .", "PhD A : Oh , you 're talking about the VAD net . OK .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I see .", "PhD C : So that {disfmarker} that VAD was trained on the noisy features .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : So , right now we have , like , uh {disfmarker} we have the cleaned - up features , so we can have a better VAD by training the net on {pause} the cleaned - up speech .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . I see . I see .", "PhD C : Yeah , but we need a VAD for uh noise estimation also . So it 's , like , where do we want to put the VAD ? Uh , it 's like {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Can you use the same net to do both , or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD C : For {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Can you use the same net that you {disfmarker} that I was talking about to do the VAD ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Uh , it actually comes at v at the very end .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : So the net {disfmarker} the final net {disfmarker} I mean , which is the feature net {disfmarker} so that actually comes after a chain of , like , LDA plus everything . So it 's , like , it takes a long time to get a decision out of it . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and you can actually do it for final frame - dropping , but not for the VA - f noise estimation .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : You see , the idea is that the , um , initial decision to {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that you 're in silence or speech happens pretty quickly .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "PhD C : Hmm .", "PhD A : Cuz that 's used by some of these other {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : And that {disfmarker} Yeah . And that 's sort of fed forward , and {disfmarker} and you say \" well , flush everything , it 's not speech anymore \" .", "PhD A : Oh , OK . I see .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD A : I thought that was only used for doing frame - dropping later on .", "Professor B : Um , it is used , uh {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's only used f Well , it 's used for frame - dropping . Um , it 's used for end of utterance", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : because , you know , there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you have {pause} more than five hundred milliseconds of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of nonspeech then you figure it 's end of utterance or something like that .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , um .", "PhD E : And it seems important for , like , the on - line normalization . Um . We don't want to update the mean and variance during silen long silence portions . Um . So it {disfmarker} it has to be done before", "PhD A : Oh . I see .", "PhD E : this mean and variance normalization . Um .", "Professor B : Um . Yeah . So probably the VAD and {disfmarker} and maybe testing out the noise {pause} estimation a little bit . I mean , keeping the same method but {disfmarker} but , uh , {vocalsound} seeing if you cou but , um noise estimation could be improved . Those are sort of related issues .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : It probably makes sense to move from there . And then , uh , {vocalsound} later on in the month I think we wanna start including the {pause} neural net at the end . Um . OK . Anything else ?", "PhD E : The Half Dome was great .", "Professor B : Good . Yeah . You didn't {disfmarker} didn't fall . That 's good .", "PhD C : Well , yeah .", "Professor B : Our e our effort would have been devastated if you guys had {comment} {vocalsound} run into problems .", "PhD A : So , Hynek is coming back next week , you said ?", "Professor B : Yeah , that 's the plan .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : I guess the week after he 'll be , uh , going back to Europe , and so we wanna {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Is he in Europe right now or is he up at {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : No , no . He 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's dropped into the US . Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD A : Oh . Hmm .", "Professor B : So . Uh . {vocalsound} So , uh . Uh , the idea was that , uh , we 'd {disfmarker} we 'd sort out where we were going next with this {disfmarker} with this work before he , uh , left on this next trip . Good . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh , Barry , you just got through your {vocalsound} quals , so I don't know if you {vocalsound} have much to say . But , uh .", "Grad D : Mmm . No , just , uh , looking into some {disfmarker} some of the things that , um , {vocalsound} uh , John Ohala and Hynek , um , gave as feedback , um , as {disfmarker} as a starting point for the project . Um . In {disfmarker} in my proposal , I {disfmarker} I was thinking about starting from a set of , uh , phonological features , {vocalsound} or a subset of them . Um , but that might not be necessarily a good idea according to , um , John .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : He said , uh , um , these {disfmarker} these phonological features are {disfmarker} are sort of figments of imagination also .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Um . S", "Professor B : In conversational speech in particular . I think you can {disfmarker} you can put them in pretty reliably in synthetic speech .", "Grad D : Ye", "Professor B : But {vocalsound} we don't have too much trouble recognizing synthetic speech since we create it in the first place . So , it 's {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Right . Yeah . So , um , a better way would be something more {disfmarker} more data - driven ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : just looking at the data and seeing what 's similar and what 's not similar .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : So , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm , um , taking a look at some of , um , {vocalsound} Sangita 's work on {disfmarker} on TRAPS . She did something where , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} w where the TRAPS learn She clustered the {disfmarker} the temporal patterns of , um , certain {disfmarker} certain phonemes in {disfmarker} in m averaged over many , many contexts . And , uh , some things tended to cluster .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Right ? You know , like stop {disfmarker} stop consonants clustered really well .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Grad D : Um , silence was by its own self .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : And , uh , um , {vocalsound} v vocalic was clustered .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : And , {vocalsound} um , so , {vocalsound} those are {pause} interesting things to {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So you 're {disfmarker} now you 're sort of looking to try to gather a set of these types of features ?", "Grad D : Right .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Yeah . Just to see where {disfmarker} where I could start off from ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : uh , you know ? A {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a set of small features and continue to iterate and find , uh , a better set .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK . Well , short meeting . That 's OK .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK . So next week hopefully we 'll {disfmarker} can get Hynek here to {disfmarker} to join us and , uh , uh .", "PhD A : Should we do digits ?", "Professor B : Digits , digits . OK , now .", "PhD A : Go ahead , Morgan . You can start .", "Professor B : Alright . Let me get my glasses on so I can {pause} see them . OK .", "PhD A : OK . And we 're off ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 47, 58 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "universities , value , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "University of South Wales, Cardiff Metropolitan University valued the Welsh bac in a great number of subjects, particularly in sport, although when people went further afield some of the universities were not valuing the Welsh baccalaureate. A great number of the learners got into Cardiff using the Welsh baccalaureate as their admissions tutors but would prefer four A-levels. About 20 per cent of our learners went to Russell Group universities, and there is no doubt\u2014in certainly 50 per cent of those, they did not value the Welsh bac.", "title": "The Value of the Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ], [ 4, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "universities , value , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kay Martin; University of South Wales, Cardiff Metropolitan University\u2014value it in a great number of subjects, but when people go further afield, some of the universities are not valuing the Welsh baccalaureate. A great number of our learners get into Cardiff using the Welsh baccalaureate. Russell Group universities, do not value the Welsh bac.", "title": "Admission Turors' Bac Preferences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ], [ 4, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "universities , value , Welsh bac", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil expressed that Russell Group universities did not value the Welsh bac. He thought that the Seren programme that'd been put in by the Welsh Government was looking to increase the numbers applying to top universities and top courses, but anyway the Welsh bac was always added as the additional one due to the fact that the admissions tutors would make a decision dependent on whether it was a facilitating subject or an enabling subject, and Welsh bac was not a facilitating subject.", "title": "Admission Tutors and Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "universities , value , Welsh bac", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Russell Group universities did not value the Welsh bac. The Seren programme that'd been put in by the Welsh Government was looking to increase the numbers applying to top universities and top courses, but nevertheless, the Welsh bac was always added as the additional one due to the fact that the admissions tutors would make their decision dependent rather on whether it was a facilitating subject or an enabling subject, Welsh bac was not a facilitating subject.", "title": "University Admissions Mechanism", "relevant_turns": [ 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "situation , north Wales , universities , value , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evand mentioned that there was a greater percentage of our students staying in Welsh universities, and as Kay said, Welsh universities were much more willing to recognise the Welsh bac.", "title": "Welsh Universities and Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 8 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "situation , north Wales , universities , value , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "There was a greater percentage of our students staying in Welsh universities, and Welsh universities were much more willing to recognise the Welsh bac. There were differences between the policy that the university extolled.", "title": "Welsh Bac in Wales and Further", "relevant_turns": [ 8 ] } ], "source": [ "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Okay.\u00a0A question, then, just to ColegauCymru: to what extent do you believe that universities in the main understand the value of the Welsh bac?", "Kay Martin : Well, we don't think they do, really, especially the experience we have with some of our learners to go to Russell Group universities. They do allow sometimes that you can drop a grade. I talked earlier about my own daughter who was allowed to drop a grade in order to get into a Russell Group university because she had the Welsh bac as well, but it was a very paper-based exercise. But I think it is mixed, and it does depend on the admissions tutors and the areas that they're going into in universities. In some areas, and certainly the local universities around here\u2014University of South Wales, Cardiff Metropolitan University\u2014value it in a great number of subjects, particularly in sport, when our students go to Cardiff Met, and business studies, when our learners go to USW. It is valued by them and they accept it, but when people go further afield\u2014and we're always trying to push our learners beyond. Where they can afford to go away to university, we encourage that. But some of the universities are not valuing the Welsh baccalaureate.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Did you have a supplementary, Si\u00e2n?", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes. You didn't mention Cardiff University there.", "Kay Martin : Cardiff University\u2014yes. My daughter's example\u2014that was Cardiff University. So, they do, especially now it's graded at level 3. Then they do accept it. A great number of our learners get into Cardiff using the Welsh baccalaureate, but would their admissions tutors prefer four A-levels? Absolutely.", "Nick Brazil : Could I jump in there? I've got to jump in there as, from the institution I'm in, we've had a long track record of getting learners into top universities. About 20 per cent of our learners go to Russell Group universities, and there is no doubt\u2014in certainly 50 per cent of those, they do not value the Welsh bac. But if they do offer an option with the Welsh bac, they say it is on top of three A2-level grades. So, obviously, we've had that track record. I think the Seren programme that's been put in by the Welsh Government is looking to increase the numbers applying to top universities and top courses, but you look through the range, particularly in science, technology, engineering and mathematics subjects as well, across a number and range of universities,\u00a0the Welsh bac is always added as the additional one. So, bear in mind, then, that Welsh students are fighting for places against Scottish, Northern Irish and, potentially, English students who are studying three subjects, whereas our Welsh students potentially could be doing three A2s, three A-level subjects plus the Welsh bac. And, as we talked about earlier on, the Welsh bac has evolved into quite a rigorous, you could say complicated, qualification, which puts added pressure on a learner in year 2 when they're trying to get possibly three A* grades. So, I think we need to consider that. In relation to the first answer, it is variable, and the admissions tutors throughout a lot of universities will make different decisions, and also make the decision dependent on whether it's a facilitating subject or an enabling subject, which the Russell Group report indicates about facilitating subjects, and Welsh bac at the moment is not a facilitating subject.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Maybe Dafydd can give us the picture from north Wales.", "Dafydd Evans : I mentioned before coming in, in terms of the context\u2014. Because of the nature of our catchment area, there is a greater percentage of our students staying in Welsh universities, and, as Kay said, Welsh universities are much more willing to recognise the bac. So, to a certain extent, it is less of a problem. But, naturally, we do have students who are looking to go out to universities in England in the Russell Group, and we're having the same experience there where there are differences between the policy that that university extols and what actually happens on the ground when students have interviews in those universities.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But in terms of Bangor and Glynd\u0175r University, there's no problem there, though.", "Dafydd Evans : No, there is no problem there.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Right, the next questions are from Julie Morgan." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 18, "turns": [ 57, 73 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "more funding , new immigration policy , help of the minister", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "New funding was meant to help with problems arising from demographic changes and those of EU transition. Additional \u00a35 million to mitigate freeze in tuition fees as well as \u00a35 million were released to help in postgraduate support. The funding had a goal to deal with Brexit's impact. The funding of \u00a33.5 million to the Global Wales initiative got allocated upon on agreement. Immigration issue was out of hands, said Kirsty Williams and many post-work visas would have been issued without any consultation with Scottish Government. This event made for creation of a scheme by Home Office and now new policies were available to Cardiff and Trinity Saint David. Williams stressed that international student should not be part of immigration targeting. Education System in Wales should be easily reachable for international students. The HE Ministers for England and Scotland seemed to have a similar view and position with regard to international students' policy.", "title": "Funding and Immigration Policy in post Brexit Times", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 5 ], 13, 16 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "more funding , new immigration policy , help of the minister", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "an additional resource of \u00a35 million available to mitigate the freeze in tuition fees, and \u00a35 million has been made available to HEFCW to kick-start the work on postgraduate support; specific regard to dealing with the impact of Brexit, you'll be aware that we have reached an agreement in principle on the funding of \u00a33.5 million to the Global Wales initiative; immigration; it hasn't got off to a great start when initially the post-study work visas were issued just for a number of institutions in the south-east of England; international students should be included in any immigration targets; the British public don't regard international students as immigrants; we want an immigration system that makes it as easy as possible for those students who want to benefit from education in Wales; with regard to the status of international students, and the views of English Ministers within the department in England", "title": "New Approach For Welsh Universities", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 5, 13, 16 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "additional funding to HEFCW", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Additional funding was spent in two directions. For first, \u00a35 million were made available in order to mitigate freeze in tuition fees. The second part of resources - \u00a35 million got spent on postgraduate support. This funding was needed before Diamond project implementation at the postgraduate level as possible.", "title": "Where the Money Went", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "additional funding to HEFCW", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Funding was given to HEFWC to handle EU transitions as a part of the overall grant with the aim to help with any cash flow problems.", "title": "Grant in Aid to HEFWC", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "immigration policy , official solution", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams elaborated that Welsh Government studied very specific documents analysing if Wales needed some kind of specific immigration policy. These studies were led in the context of the workflow rather than students. Government's Migration Advisory Committee stated that separate provisions for EU students, as opposed to international students, were not the case. Immigration system should be easy for any student that wanted to attend Wales Universities.", "title": "Easy Immigration Policy", "relevant_turns": [ 13 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "immigration policy , official solution", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Immigration policy was out of hands now. Workforce immigration type was analysed by Welsh Government. System should be as easy as possible for students to benefit from education in Wales.", "title": "Benefiting from Education in Wales", "relevant_turns": [ 13 ] } ], "source": [ "Julie Morgan AM : The additional \u00a36.4 million that went to HEFCW in the 2017-18 year, which I think you say is partly because\u00a0of Brexit and partly because of demographic and recruitment challenges, what do you expect to see as a result of that spending?", "Kirsty Williams AM : That funding was allocated, as I said, to enable HEFCW to deal with any short-term implications arising out of demographic changes, because\u00a0we've seen a drop in the number of 18-year-olds, and the initial implications of EU transition. It was allocated as part of HEFCW's overall grant in aid, and therefore the council was given discretion as to how it was to be apportioned to the sector. The money was brought forward\u00a0a year, because, in conversations with HEFCW and the institutions, they felt that that money\u00a0would be more useful earlier on. So, it was money that was brought forward into the allocation for 2017-18, as opposed\u00a0to 2018-19, because\u00a0they wanted\u00a0to have that resource earlier rather than later. With regard to\u00a0additional resources, you'll be aware that we have made an additional resource of \u00a35 million available to mitigate the freeze in tuition fees, and \u00a35 million has been made available to HEFCW to kick-start the work on postgraduate support until we're in a position to fully implement Diamond at the postgraduate level.", "Julie Morgan AM : You say that the money is used at the discretion of the universities. So, you don't have an analysis of how that was spent.", "Kirsty Williams AM : The financial allocation, as I said, was agreed with the funding council and it was there to help universities with any cash flow issues, but if you'd like further details I can provide those as much as I'm able.", "Julie Morgan AM : I think it would be interesting if we know what the money was spent on and, of course, that money is now not available for the next financial year, so there's no way of carrying on what they were doing with it, presumably.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, as I said, it was part of the overall allocation to HEFCW. With specific regard to dealing with the impact of Brexit, you'll be aware that we have reached an agreement in principle on the funding of \u00a33.5 million to the Global Wales initiative. This was an application that came in from Universities Wales looking at specifically targeting and beefing up international work and international recruitment work to support them at this time, and we're currently working with Universities Wales on the exact details and outcomes they would expect from that investment.", "Julie Morgan AM : And do you have any estimate of how many students you hope to attract by that?", "Kirsty Williams AM : That is subject to continuing negotiations with Universities Wales before we let any contracts with them. What's important is that that work is based on research that has been done by Universities Wales to look at the optimum markets that we should be targeting, specifically the United States of America and Vietnam.", "Julie Morgan AM : And will this money be used equally between all the universities?", "Kirsty Williams AM : We expect that all institutions\u2014should they have a desire to participate\u2014will be able to be assisted, as well as the overall global branding from Universities Wales and the new Study in Wales initiative.", "Julie Morgan AM : Thank you. I think we've covered the EU student fees, haven't we?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Do you want to ask question 12?", "Julie Morgan AM : Has the Welsh Government explored the possibility of looking at different immigration rules for international and EU students who may wish to study here?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. Well, with regard to immigration, clearly, this is something, at the moment, that is out of our hands, and I have to say, it hasn't got off to a great start when initially the post-study work visas were issued just for a number of institutions in the south-east of England, with no consultation with us and I don't believe with the Scottish Government either. So, we have campaigned, pushed, cajoled, lobbied, and I was very glad that in December last year, the Home Office did then make that scheme available to Cardiff and to Trinity Saint David. We continue to press the point that we do not believe that, first of all, international students should be included in any immigration targets. I think all the evidence suggests that the British public don't regard international students as immigrants, and therefore we do need to make sure that they are taken out of the targets and we can continue to press that message with the UK Government. At the moment, you'll be aware that Welsh Government has looked at a specific piece of work on whether there was any scope for specific immigration policy for Wales, although I must say that was mostly in the field of actually the workforce rather than students. You'll be aware that this week the Government's migration advisory committee\u2014there are so many committees these days\u2014have said that they don't believe that there is a case for a separate provision for EU students, as opposed to international students. But we want an immigration system that makes it as easy as possible for those students who want to benefit from education in Wales, and indeed the UK, to be able to do so.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Llyr.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : So, what are we doing from now on in then? Are we just waiting to see or are we continuing to push?", "Kirsty Williams AM : No\u2014gosh\u2014Llyr, we continue to push the case\u00a0at the official level, and at the moment, I'm trying to convene a quadrilateral, if it can be quadrilateral in the sense\u00a0that Northern Ireland\u00a0aren't up and running\u2014but certainly with officials from Northern Ireland. We're trying to arrange another quadrilateral between myself, the HE Minister for England and the new HE Minister for Scotland. If I can speak candidly, I don't believe\u00a0that there's any difference between our view, with regard to the status of international students, and the views of English Ministers within the department in England. It is convincing the Home Office of that case. So, I don't think we need to persuade\u00a0Sam Gyimah about the importance of this. Jo Johnson got, I think the current Minister gets it\u2014it's a question\u00a0of whether we can persuade the Home Office\u00a0of that particular case." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 23, "turns": [ 331, 453 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "overlap", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that one could do a forced alignment on close talking to determine which segments this person was talking about and other segments the people were overlapping. The segments that were channeled time aligned were good while bad numbers were from segments that had overlap.", "title": "Overlap in Channel Segments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "overlap", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A said that they could do a forced alignment on the close-talking to determine within this segment, these were the times that this person talked and elsewhere in the segment other people were overlapping and just front-end the pieces adding that in the HLT paper they took good segments that no one talked and called it non-overlap while bad were from segments that had overlap.", "title": "Overlap in Channel Segments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pruning", "speaker": "PhD F , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD F said that in order to get accurate alignments it was really important to open up the pruning significantly and that for free recognition the lower the pruning value the better. PhD A added that it was probably because the recognition was just bad enough that you didn't lose anything.", "title": "Effect of Pruning on Alignments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 106, 117 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pruning", "speaker": "PhD F , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD F said that to get accurate alignments it was really important to open up the pruning significantly. PhD A added that the lower the pruning value was the better.", "title": "Effect of Pruning on Alignments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 106, 117 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "forced alignment", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD A said they were able to get some improvement on the forced alignments by realizing errors that had occurred. PhD F added that they used pruning for recognition.", "title": "Improvement on Forced Alignment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 105, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "forced alignment", "speaker": "PhD A , PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD A said that they were able to get some definite improvement on the forced alignments by looking at them first and realizing the kinds of errors that were occurring whereby the most occurred errors were from the first word being moved to as early as possible in the recognition which was both pruning problem and problem with needing constraints on word locations. Adding that in general if there were like five or six words and one word was further away from it was probably wrong on average and pruning was too severe. PhD F said that pruning was the same value they used for recognition and they had lowered that but said that to get accurate alignments it was important to open up pruning significantly.", "title": "Improvement on Forced Alignment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 105, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD F" }, "summary": "Professor B said that they had the ability to feed the system different features. PhD F agreed and said they missed the ability to feed features into the recognizer and to train the system.", "title": "Feeding Different Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD F" }, "summary": "Professor B; I think what we wanna do is we want to; have the ability to feed it different features; And then if we can feed it different features, then we can try all the different things that we're trying there; from the point of view of the front-end research, it would be substituting for HTK. PhD F; so the key thing that's missing here is basically the ability to feed, you know, other features i into the recognizer.", "title": "Feeding Different Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "data", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B said that Dave was thinking of using data in different ways to explicitly work on reverberation by starting with some techniques that other people found useful. PhD A added that what they really needed was some clever way to have the foreground speech continuous from the data or hand-corrected alignments from transcribers that things like words that do occurred just by themselves alone.", "title": "Using Data on Reverberation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 74, 79 ], [ 118, 121 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "data", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B said they needed to use the data in different ways to explicitly work on reverberation. PhD A agreed also.", "title": "Using Data on Reverberation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 74, 79 ], [ 118, 121 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pda", "speaker": "Grad E , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad E said that pda could have been worse because it was further away from most of the people who were reading the digits. Professor B agreed that it could be one of the reasons.", "title": "Possible Causes of Poor Pda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 54 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "pda", "speaker": "Grad E , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad E suggested that the pda was worse because it was further away from most of the people who were reading the digits adding that when listening to it the pda had higher sound floor but not by a lot and that it was pretty much the same. Professor B said that was probably one of the reasons why pda was worse and that the front-end had some kind of pre-emphasis picking up a lot of low-frequency energy.", "title": "Possible Causes of Poor Pda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 54 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . The same sort of numbers that we got those graphs from . Right ?", "Grad E : Could we do exactly the same thing that we 're doing now , but do it with a far - field mike ?", "Professor B : Yeah , do it with one of {disfmarker} on", "Grad E : Cuz we extract the times from the near - field mike , but you use the acoustics from the far - field mike .", "PhD A : Right . I understand that . I just meant that {disfmarker} so you have {pause} three choices . There 's , um {disfmarker} You can use times where that person is talking only from the transcripts but the segmentations were {disfmarker} were synchronized . Or you can do a forced alignment on the close - talking to determine that , the you know , within this segment , these really were the times that this person was talking and elsewhere in the segment other people are overlapping and just front - end those pieces . Or you can run it on the whole data , which is {disfmarker} which is , you know , a {disfmarker}", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but how did we get the {disfmarker} how did we determine the links , uh , that we 're testing on in the stuff we reported ?", "PhD A : In the H L T paper we took {pause} segments that are channel {disfmarker} time - aligned , which is now h being changed in the transcription process , which is good , and we took cases where the transcribers said there was only one person talking here , because no one else had time {disfmarker} any words in that segment and called that \" non - overlap \" .", "Professor B : And tha And that 's what we were getting those numbers from .", "PhD A : Yes . Tho - good {disfmarker} the good numbers .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD A : The bad numbers were from {pause} the segments where there was overlap .", "Professor B : Well , we could start with the good ones .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : But anyway {disfmarker} so I think that we should try it once with {vocalsound} the same conditions that were used to create those , and in those same segments just use one of the P Z", "PhD A : Right . So we {disfmarker} we can do that . Yeah .", "Professor B : And then , you know , I mean , the thing is if we were getting , uh {disfmarker} what , thirty - five , forty percent , something like that on {disfmarker} on that particular set , uh , does it go to seventy or eighty ?", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : Or , does it use up so much memory we can't decode it ?", "PhD A : It might also depend on which speaker th it is and how close they are to the PZM ?", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : I don't know how different they are from each other .", "PhD F : You want to probably choose the PZM channel that is closest to the speaker .", "PhD A : To be best {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad E : For this particular digit ones , I just picked that one .", "PhD A : f", "Professor B : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD A : OK . So we would then use that one , too ,", "Grad E : So {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : This is kind of central .", "PhD A : or {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : You know , it 's {disfmarker} so i but I would {disfmarker} I 'd pick that one . It 'll be less good for some people than for other , but I {disfmarker} I 'd like to see it on the same {disfmarker} exact same data set that {disfmarker} that we did the other thing on .", "Grad E : Actually {disfmarker} I sh actually should 've picked a different one ,", "Professor B : Right ?", "Grad E : because {pause} that could be why the PDA is worse . Because it 's further away from most of the people reading digits .", "PhD D : It 's further away . Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : That 's probably one of the reasons .", "Postdoc C : Hmm . Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Well , yeah . You could look at , I guess , that PZM or something .", "Grad E : Yep .", "Professor B : But the other is , it 's very , uh {disfmarker} I mean , even though there 's {disfmarker} I 'm sure the f f the {disfmarker} the SRI , uh , front - end has some kind of pre - emphasis , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} still , th it 's picking up lots of low - frequency energy .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , even discriminating against it , I 'm sure some of it 's getting through . Um . But , yeah , you 're right . Prob - a part of it is just the distance .", "PhD A : And aren't these pretty bad microphones ?", "Grad E : Yep .", "PhD A : I mean {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well , they 're bad . But , I mean , if you listen to it , it sounds OK . You know ? u Yeah .", "Grad E : Yeah . When you listen to it , uh , the PZM and the PDA {disfmarker} Yeah , th the PDA has higher sound floor but not by a lot . It 's really pretty {disfmarker} uh , pretty much the same .", "PhD A : I just remember you saying you got them to be cheap on purpose . Cheap in terms of their quality . So .", "Professor B : Well , they 're {pause} twenty - five cents or so .", "Grad E : Th - we wanted them to be {disfmarker} to be typical of what would be in a PDA .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : So they are {disfmarker} they 're not the PZM three hundred dollar type . They 're the twenty - five cent ,", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad E : buy them in packs of thousand type .", "PhD A : I see .", "Professor B : But , I mean , the thing is people use those little mikes for everything because they 're really not bad .", "Grad E : Everything .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I mean , if you 're not {vocalsound} doing something ridiculous like feeding it to a speech recognizer , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they {disfmarker} you know , you can hear the sou hear the sounds just fine .", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : You know , it 's {disfmarker} They {disfmarker} I mean , i it 's more or less the same principles as these other mikes are built under , it 's just that {pause} there 's less quality control . They just , you know , churn them out and don't check them . Um . So . So that was {disfmarker} Yeah . So that was i interesting result . So like I said , the front - end guys are very much interested in {disfmarker} in this is as {disfmarker} as well and", "PhD F : So {disfmarker} so , but where is this now ? I mean , what 's {disfmarker} where do we go from here ?", "Grad E : Yeah . That was gonna be my question .", "PhD F : I mean , we {disfmarker} so we have a {disfmarker} we have a {disfmarker} a system that works pretty well but it 's not , you know , the system that people here are used to using {disfmarker} to working with .", "Professor B : Well , I think what we wanna do is we want to {disfmarker} eh ,", "PhD F : So what {disfmarker} what do we do now ?", "Professor B : and we 've talked about this in other {pause} contexts {disfmarker} we want to {vocalsound} have the ability to feed it different features .", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And then , um , {vocalsound} from the point of view of the front - end research , it would be s uh , substituting for HTK .", "PhD F : OK . OK .", "Professor B : I think that 's the key thing . And then if we can feed it different features , then we can try all the different things that we 're trying there .", "PhD F : OK . Alright .", "Professor B : And then , um , uh , also Dave is {disfmarker} is thinking about using the data in different ways , uh , to {vocalsound} um , uh , explicitly work on reverberation", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : starting with some techniques that some other people have {pause} found somewhat useful , and {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD F : OK . So {disfmarker} so the key {pause} thing that 's missing here is basically the ability to feed , you know , other features {vocalsound} i into the recognizer", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD F : and also then to train the system .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD F : OK . And , uh , es I don't know when Chuck will be back but that 's exactly what he {disfmarker} he 's gonna {disfmarker}", "Professor B : H h He 's {disfmarker} he 's sort of back , but he drove for fourteen hours an and wasn't gonna make it in today .", "PhD F : Oh , OK . So , I think that 's one of the things that he said he would be working on . Um .", "Grad E : Yeah .", "PhD F : Just sort of t to make sure that {pause} we can do that", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD F : and {disfmarker} Um .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD F : It 's {disfmarker} uh , I mean , the {disfmarker} the front - end is f i tha that 's in the SRI recognizer is very nice in that it does a lot of things on the fly but it unfortunately {pause} is not {pause} designed and , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} like the , uh , ICSI system is , where you can feed it from a pipeline of {disfmarker} of the command . So , the {disfmarker} what that means probably for the foreseeable future is that you have to , uh , dump out , um {disfmarker} you know , if you want to use some new features , you have to dump them into individual files and {pause} give those files to the recognizer .", "Grad E : We do {disfmarker} we tend to do that anyway .", "PhD F : OK .", "Grad E : Oh . So , although you {disfmarker} you can pipe it as well , we tend to do it that way because that way you can concentrate on one block and not keep re - doing it over and over .", "PhD F : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD F : Alright .", "Professor B : Yeah . So I 've {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}", "Grad E : So tha that 's exactly what the P - file {pause} is for .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD F : Yeah , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the cumbersome thing is {disfmarker} is , um {disfmarker} is that you actually have to dump out little {disfmarker} little files .", "PhD A : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD F : So for each segment that you want to recognize {vocalsound} you have to {pause} dump out {pause} a separate file .", "Grad E : Uh - huh .", "PhD F : Just like i th like th as if there were these waveform segments , but instead you have sort of feature file segments . But , you know {disfmarker} So .", "Professor B : Cool . OK . So the s the {disfmarker} the next thing we had on the agenda was something about alignments ?", "PhD A : Oh . Yes , we have {disfmarker} I don't know , did you wanna talk about it , or {disfmarker} ? I can give a {disfmarker} I was just telling this to Jane and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} W we {disfmarker} we were able to get some definite improvement on the forced alignments by looking at them first and then realizing the kinds of errors {pause} that were occurring and um , some of the errors occurring very frequently are just things like the first word being moved to as early as possible in the recognition , which is a um , I think was both a {disfmarker} a pruning {pause} problem and possibly a problem with needing constraints on word locations . And so we tried both of these st things . We tried saying {disfmarker} I don't know , I got this {vocalsound} whacky idea that {disfmarker} just from looking at the data , that when people talk {pause} their words are usually chunked together . It 's not that they say one word and then there 's a bunch of words together . They 're {comment} might say one word and then another word far away if they were doing just backchannels ? But in general , if there 's , like , five or six words and one word 's far away from it , that 's probably wrong on average . So , um {disfmarker} And then also , ca the pruning , of course , was too {disfmarker} too severe .", "PhD F : So that 's actually interesting . The pruning was the same value that we used for recognition . And we had lowered that {disfmarker} we had used tighter pruning after Liz ran some experiments showing that , you know , it runs slower and there 's no real difference in {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Actually it was better with {disfmarker} slightly better or about th", "Grad E : No gain .", "PhD A : it was the same with tighter pruning .", "PhD F : Right . So for free recognition , this {disfmarker} the lower pruning value is better .", "PhD A : It 's probably cuz the recognition 's just bad en at a point where it 's bad enough that {disfmarker} that you don't lose anything .", "PhD F : You {disfmarker} Correct . Right . Um , but it turned out for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} to get accurate alignments it was really important to open up the pruning significantly .", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : Hmm .", "PhD F : Um {pause} because otherwise it would sort of do greedy alignment , um , in regions where there was no real speech yet from the foreground speaker .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Um , {vocalsound} so that was one big factor that helped improve things and then the other thing was that , you know , as Liz said the {disfmarker} we f enforce the fact that , uh , the foreground speech has to be continuous . It cannot be {disfmarker} you cannot have a background speech hypothesis in the middle of the foreground speech . You can only have background speech at the beginning and the end .", "PhD A : Yeah . I mean , yeah , it isn't always true , and I think what we really want is some clever way to do this , where , um , you know , from the data or from maybe some hand - corrected alignments from transcribers that things like words that do occur just by themselves {pause} a alone , like backchannels or something that we did allow to have background speech around it {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : those would be able to do that ,", "Postdoc C : Sorry ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 18, "turns": [ 28, 33 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "erasmus programme", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams talked about compaign led by NS Wales about the Erasmus arrangements and their importance that took place earlier that week. Erasmus programme offered a lot to students and young people hence it was important to participate in its scheme. It was stressed that Erasmus programme would be valued most if Wales' institutions made it clear they were open to welcome International students. Williams said it was important to avoid third-country status for Erasmus programme, that could be given to Wales in case of no deal Brexit. Otherwise, they would have limited access to the Horizon 2020 programme, probably losing about 50 percent of that work.", "title": "Erasmus Programme's Importance According to Kirsty Williams", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "erasmus programme", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams noted there was a huge amount to be gained for Welsh students and young people participating in the Erasmus programme and mentioned very powerful campaign by NUS Wales about the importance of Erasmus arrangements and participation in that scheme. It was stressed that wales' institutions were being open and welcome both EU and international students. Williams was concerned that Wales would be given third-country status regarding Erasmus if no deal was achieved while Brexit.", "title": "The Future of Erasmus in Wales", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "student voice", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Williams said relationship with the National Union of Students was well developed and that officials were constantly in touch with the student voice. The consensus on what students and universities aimed at was found. Student voice was very clear that participating in Erasmus programme scheme was of high importance. Close cooperation with students voice took place and clearly a consensus about important issues for institutions, Government and student voice was met.", "title": "Kirsty Williams Talks About Student Voice", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "student voice", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams said there was a close working relationship with the National Union of Students. Williams would meet with them regularly, and officials were in constant touch with the student voice. They had been very clear from the outset, as had the sector and the student voice, about the importance of participation in that scheme. They had been working to the limits of what was felt comfortable in being able to guarantee without further guarantees from Westminster. So, they had been working closely with the student voice, and what was very clear, there was a consensus about what was important across the Government, the institutions and student voice.", "title": "Students Voice Meaning", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "horizon", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams underlined that post Brexit Wales would want to be able to participate in Horizon 2020 programme. Hence it was meaningful to send clear messages that Wales Univeristies welcome both EU and international students. Williams noticed that in case of no deal while Brexit, the Horizon 2020 would be at risk. Even though the bids for Horizon 2020, thanked to current underwrite guarantee, would be done, those applications would be the last ones to be made. Williams showed concern that Wales would be given a status of a third country regarding Horizon 2020 what would make for limited access to the program itself.", "title": "Kirsty Williams Concerns Regarding Horizon 2020", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "horizon", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM; that is making sure we send very clear messages about Wales's institutions being open for business and that we welcome both EU and international students, that we value the contribution of faculty, and that we want to be able to continue in Horizon 2020; Wales cannot afford to crash out of the EU without a deal. If that worst-case scenario was to happen, for European regional development fund and European social fund programmes in the HE sector, it would be business as usual. And because of the current underwrite guarantee, the forthcoming bids for Horizon 2020 would be covered, but they would be the last applications that could be made; from my understanding and our understanding of it, that would only give us third-country status for Horizon 2020; What that does mean is that we would have limited access to the Horizon 2020 programme.", "title": "Horizon 2020 In Post Brexit Wales", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 5 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Llyr.", "Llyr Gruffydd AM : I'll ask my questions in Welsh, if I may. This discussion between HEFCW and higher education, these challenges in terms of how ready they are for the changes to come, and the work that the Government is doing with FE, I suspect, is happening\u00a0at an organisational level. So, I just want to hear a little about where the student voice comes into that discussion and where the engagement happens in terms of the students.", "Kirsty Williams AM : So, we have a close working relationship with the National Union of Students. I meet with them regularly, and officials are in constant touch with the student voice. They have been very clear, and I think there is a huge amount of consensus between the Welsh Government, what the universities are asking for and what the students are asking for. You'll have seen, only earlier this week, the very powerful campaign by NUS Wales about the importance of Erasmus+ arrangements. There is a huge amount to be gained for Welsh students and young people participating in the Erasmus programme. Many of us, I know, have had the opportunity to study abroad as part of our own studies, and there's a lot to be gained from it. We've been very clear from the outset, as have the sector and the student voice, about the importance of participation in that scheme. NUS are also very concerned that there should be no negative impact on the quality of faculty. Our HE institutions, to a greater extent than FE, have faculty staff from the EU\u2014it runs at about 11 per cent. That adds great diversity and strength to the quality of teaching within our institutions. Clearly, that is a concern for students. They want to have the best teachers, they want access to the best learning opportunities, and we've been very clear about the importance of providing security and stability for those staff, making sure we send very clear messages that they're very welcome and we value their contribution. NUS, again, also value the diversity in the student population. Again, as far as we've been able to, we've been able to give messages about the security of funding for European students for the next academic year. I wish I could go further, but that's out of my hands. We're working to the limits of what I feel comfortable in being able to guarantee without further guarantees from Westminster. So, we've been working closely with the student voice, and I think, Llyr,\u00a0what's very clear is there is a consensus about what is important across the Government, the institutions and student voice. So, that is making sure we send very clear messages about Wales's institutions being open for business and that we welcome both EU and international students, that we value the contribution of faculty, and that we want to be able to continue in Horizon 2020. That's especially important if\u00a0we're looking at attracting postgraduate work and postgraduate students into our system, as well as Erasmus+. The issue of post-study work visas, again, is very important. As I said, there's a consensus, I think, between the Government, the institutions and the students about what we need the UK Government to achieve for us.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Before we move on to student recruitment, it's increasingly the view of many experts that we're heading for a 'no deal' Brexit. Can I ask both of you what specific\u00a0plans you've put in place in the event of such a 'no deal' Brexit happening and us crashing out next spring?", "Eluned Morgan AM : Well, I think it's really difficult for us to prepare for a 'no deal' Brexit, but obviously we need to think through very carefully what that might look like, and I think that scenario planning is starting to happen. I think it's very different, again, for FE compared to HE. So, in relation to FE, what we do have is funding\u2014ESF funding\u2014which the UK Government has said that they will underwrite until 2020. So, in March next year, if there is no deal, the immediate impact on FE is unlikely to hit in the way that we may have feared. The problem then becomes: what exactly is the deal with the EU in future, because we will have some kind of relationship, and what that impact will be on the broader economy and our ability to work with companies locally, and industries, to provide that link between training needs? So, the colleges, basically, are providing the training for lots of the apprenticeships, and so if the number of companies reduces, then that is likely to have an impact. So, there are specific sectors that we are more concerned about than others. Farming is obviously one that we are concerned about, because that could have a difference in terms of day one of no deal. If your markets are not there, that could be quite an immediate impact. Health and social care\u2014obviously, we are concerned that there are a number of people who work in that sector who are EU citizens. What is the impact? Are they going to feel unwelcome? Are they likely, then, to return home? Where will that skills gap, therefore, be? So, that's a problem for us. Construction is already an issue for us in terms of skills shortages. So, one of the things we're doing is we've developed these regional skills partnerships where we ask local employers, 'What is it that you need in terms of skills development?' and we are now asking further education colleges to respond to that need. So, rather than them just getting people through the college system, who are easy to get in because they're doing courses that they're excited about, let's try and encourage them to do courses where we know there are skills shortages. So, that is a new structure that we've developed that is already having an impact; there's a \u00a310 million project there. So, we're already putting things in place for those situations. In manufacturing, obviously, if there's no deal, the rules of origin, that could have an immediate impact. Just-in-time\u2014we could have real problems in terms of dislocation there; and hospitality and tourism. So, those are the sectors we have most concerns about, and all of them have very strong links to the FE sector.", "Kirsty Williams AM : From the HE perspective, from a point of principle, we just have to keep working towards some kind of deal. Although the prospect of no deal, maybe, has risen up the agenda, we have got to be consistent in our messages to the Westminster Government: we need a deal. Wales cannot afford to crash out of the EU without a deal. If that worst-case scenario was to happen, because of the underwrite guarantee, actually, for European regional development fund and European social fund programmes in the HE sector, it would be business as usual. And because of the current underwrite guarantee, the forthcoming bids for Erasmus and Horizon 2020 would be covered, but they would be the last applications that could be made. You'll be aware that there are some proposals for an extension to that guarantee, but from my understanding and our understanding of it, that would only give us third-country status for Horizon 2020 and Erasmus. What that does mean is that we would have limited access to the Horizon 2020 programme, and if you look at the activity that is currently being undertaken by the Welsh HE sector under that programme, that would mean that we'd probably lose about 50 per cent of that work, because that's the split between the bits we would still be able to access and what we are currently accessing. As I've already said, we have made a guarantee for EU student support for the next academic year, but, without clarity from the Treasury, I don't think it would be prudent of me to commit Welsh Government to anything further than that. So, we continue to push the message that a 'no deal' would be catastrophic. What can we do? You'll be aware that we have been working with Universities Wales to access resources under the European transition fund, under the Global Wales programme, to look to boost international marketing of the HE sector and to talk about the strengths that we have in the sector. And we continue to look at other opportunities within the EU transition pot of money to assist the universities and the FE sector in that regard. We also continue to look to respond to the Reid review proposals, about how we can beef up our own research and continue to engage with UK Research and Innovation to make sure that, with any research money that comes out of that negotiation, Wales is in a competitive position to be able to bid successfully for that." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 3, 7 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "change , model , specific expertise , final publication", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Regarding the change of the guidance, Kirsty Williams AM said there would not be big nor significant changes, and that the members would be aware of the change of the model, which was refined in the needed areas. For the process, those individuals who had specific expertise in subject areas were prioritized. The final publication was expected in January 2020, according to Kirsty Williams AM.", "title": "Changes in the Model Presented by Kirsty Williams AM", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "change", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "While discussing the change of the guidance, Kirsty Williams AM said that members would be aware of the change of the model, which was refined, prioritizing in the process the individuals who had specific expertise in subject areas. Kirsty Williams AM stated there weren't big nor significant changes to the concept, just where needed, and mentioned that the expectation of the final publication was in January 2020.", "title": "Changes in the Model Presented by Kirsty Williams AM", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Kirsty Williams AM : I think what's really important and what has been the strength of the process to date is that we are not doing this to our profession, we are doing it with our profession. So, in the spirit of co-construction, the reflection on the feedback will continue to be primarily led by the existing infrastructure that we already had that got us to this stage at present.\u00a0So, Members will be aware that we've slightly changed the model. We had our pioneer school model and we have slightly refined that now. Pioneers were asked if they wanted to continue in that process and to put themselves forward, and we've narrowed that down now to a smaller group of innovative schools. But above and beyond the innovative schools, we looked at individuals who have specific expertise in subject areas, and they're the first part of that process. So, they met last week to begin looking at the feedback, and we'll continue to use the processes that we have to reflect and refine. Are there big changes to the concept? No. Opportunities to do things better, explain things better, simplify where possible, where we've been told that that needs to happen, provide greater depth where we've been told that needs to happen\u2014absolutely. We're definitely very alive and very willing to engage in those, but in terms of the overall concept, then no, no significant changes.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. And what are the steps now before the final curriculum is published in January 2020?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. So, the quality\u2014. We call them\u2014it's not a very nice name\u2014quality improvement practitioners, the QI practitioners. So, these are the subject specialists. They met last week to begin this process. In October, there will be a number of workshops lasting three days at a time where those practitioners will continue that process of feedback with our curriculum and assessment group and all those people involved. By November, we would expect the QI groups to have completed their work and would want them to be in a position to hand over the refinements to an editorial process, and that has to be done in both languages. I think it's really important that we don't do it in English and then we simply translate it into Welsh. So, the editorial process will then be engaged to draw up the final example. It also, then, hands over to the publication team to do all the work on the publication, our website team will then be working on it, and then we would expect final publication in January\u2014am I right, Claire?", "Claire Bennett : Yes.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, January." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 488, 498 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Project Manager : It's time to close this meeting .", "User Interface : Well , you you stay a five minutes . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah {gap} . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh it came there on three minutes back so we are {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think we can just press the okay . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Thanks for your collaborations .", "Industrial Designer : So I see ya .", "Marketing : Okay . See you another thirty minutes ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 47, "turns": [ 0, 54 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , user requirement specification", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The meeting was for functional design and would cover user requirement specification, technical function design and working design.", "title": "Sequence of the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional design , user requirement specification", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The functional design meeting would take presentations on the task that has been required last time, new project requirements from the management board would be presented, decisions on the remote control needed functions would be taken and then task for the next part of the meeting would be assigned.", "title": "Sequence of the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 10 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay everyone's ready .", "User Interface : Hello .", "Project Manager : So we are here for uh for uh functional design .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : Okay ? 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So uh who want to start the the presentation of what they did ?", "Industrial Designer : F do you want to start ?", "User Interface : Make a start yeah .", "Project Manager : You can start .", "User Interface : So . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Cable , camera .", "Project Manager : You have uh PowerPoint ?", "User Interface : Should be in my {disfmarker} in their folder no ?", "Project Manager : Ah yeah maybe there . Okay .", "User Interface : Up .", "Project Manager : Who are you ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Um at three I think .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No ? {vocalsound} Mm .", "Project Manager : Ouch . 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There is nothing .", "Project Manager : There's no {disfmarker} We have a technical problem .", "User Interface : Let's go and check .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : I'll go and check .", "Industrial Designer : Otherwise , could you just describe by hand ?", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : With the the whiteboard ?", "Project Manager : If you remember yeah", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : but that's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So uh . Basically {vocalsound} what we want here is a remote control right .", "Project Manager : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 88, "turns": [ 0, 53 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "zeros", "speaker": "Grad E , Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad E asked if there was a way to add some random noise floor after seeing zeros by changing it using the software. Grad A said they could do that but it wasn't a good idea but could do that in post-processing if needed.", "title": "Adding Noise Floor to Zeros", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "zeros", "speaker": "Grad E , Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad E; Is there any way to change that in the software; Where if you start seeing zeros on across one channel, you just add some random noise floor like a small noise floor; Grad A; you wanna keep them on so you get good noise floors, through the whole meeting; I mean certainly we could do that, but I don't think that's a good idea. We can do that in post-processing if the application needs it; Manual post-processing.", "title": "Adding Noise Floor to Zeros", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "front-end", "speaker": "Professor F , Grad A" }, "summary": "Professor F didn't know what the default was anymore as to how they were using the ICSI front-end stuff. Grad A said that the only agenda Jane wanted to talk about was some of the IBM transcription processes.", "title": "Default on Using Front-End", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "front-end", "speaker": "Professor F , Grad A" }, "summary": "Professor F; don't know what the default is; as to how we're using the front-end stuff; there is an option in RASTA, which when I first put it in, back in the days when I actually wrote things, I did actually put in a random bit or so that was in it; but then I realized that putting in a random bit was equivalent to adding flat spectrum, and it was a lot faster to just add a constant to the spectrum; Grad A; the only agenda items were Jane was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process.", "title": "Default on Using Front-End", "relevant_turns": [ [ 27, 53 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad A : OK , we 're recording .", "Professor F : We can say the word \" zero \" all we want ,", "PhD G : I 'm doing some", "Professor F : but just {disfmarker}", "PhD G : square brackets , coffee sipping , square brackets .", "PhD B : That 's not allowed , I think .", "Postdoc C : Cur - curly brackets .", "Grad E : Is that voiced or unvoiced ?", "Grad A : Curly brackets .", "PhD B : Curly brackets .", "Professor F : Curly brackets .", "Grad A : Right .", "PhD B : Oops .", "Professor F : Well , correction for transcribers .", "PhD G : Mmm ! {comment} {vocalsound} Gar - darn !", "Professor F : Yeah .", "Postdoc C : Channel two .", "Grad A : Do we use square brackets for anything ?", "Postdoc C : Yeah . Uh {disfmarker}", "Grad E : These poor transcribers .", "Professor F : u", "Postdoc C : Not ri not right now . I mean {disfmarker} No .", "PhD D : There 's gonna be some zeros from this morning 's meeting because I noticed that", "Professor F : u", "PhD D : Barry , I think maybe you turned your mike off before the digits were {disfmarker} Oh , was it during digits ? Oh , so it doesn't matter .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "Grad A : It 's still not a good idea .", "PhD B : So it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that bad if it 's at the end , but it 's {disfmarker} in the beginning , it 's {pause} bad .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Grad A : Yeah , you wanna {disfmarker} you wanna keep them on so you get {pause} good noise {disfmarker} noise floors , through the whole meeting .", "Postdoc C : That 's interesting . Hmm .", "Professor F : Uh , I probably just should have left it on . Yeah I did have to run , but {disfmarker}", "Grad E : Is there any way to change that in the software ?", "Grad A : Change what in the software ?", "Grad E : Where like you just don't {disfmarker} like if you {disfmarker} if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something {disfmarker} in the card , or somewhere in the hardware {disfmarker} Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some {vocalsound} random , @ @ {comment} noise floor {disfmarker} like a small noise floor .", "Grad A : I mean certainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea . We can do that in post - processing if {disfmarker} if the application needs it .", "Grad E : Yeah .", "PhD B : Manual post - processing .", "Professor F : Well , I {disfmarker} u I actually don't know what the default {comment} is anymore as to how we 're using the {disfmarker} the front - end stuff but {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} when we use the ICSI front - end ,", "Grad A : As an argument .", "Professor F : but um , there is an {disfmarker} there is an o an option in {disfmarker} in RASTA , which , um , {vocalsound} in when I first put it in , uh , back in the days when I actually wrote things , uh , {vocalsound} I {pause} did actually put in a random bit or so that was in it ,", "Grad E : OK .", "Professor F : but {vocalsound} then I realized that putting in a random bit was equivalent to adding uh {disfmarker} adding flat spectrum ,", "Grad E : Right .", "Professor F : and it was a lot faster to just add a constant to the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to the spectrum . So then I just started doing that", "Grad E : Mmm . OK .", "Professor F : instead of calling \" rand \" {comment} or something ,", "Grad E : Right .", "Professor F : so . So it d it does that . Gee ! Here we all are !", "Grad A : Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane {disfmarker} was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process .", "Professor F : There 's an agenda ?", "Grad A : I sort of {vocalsound} condensed the three things you said into that . And then just {disfmarker} I only have like , this afternoon and maybe tomorrow morning to get anything done before I go to Japan for ten days . So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperately needs to be done , you should let me know now .", "Professor F : Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeech paper , so .", "PhD G : Right . I hope they accept it ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 74, "turns": [ 362, 470 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "video demand , teletext demand , thick keys design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the video demand was presently booming up where people were like providing movies. Project Manager said that the Teletext feature was getting used less and less while User Interface suggested that they incorporated the idea of big thick keys design to the remote.", "title": "Criteria of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ], 27, 31, [ 55, 67 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "video demand , teletext demand , thick keys design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface; presently the video market actually this demand, video over-demand or what we call it as it's presently booming up; it like people are providing like things like movies, you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and your provider gives a list of movies; suppose if you take the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys; I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting, especially if we're going after a younger market; Project Manager; Do we include it, and do we give it a prominent place on on on the on well on the remote mot control itself.", "title": "Criteria of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ], 27, 31, [ 55, 67 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teletext , attitudes", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the Teletext that well-known feature was getting used less and sometimes it was not used, so they should think about it if it should be included on the remote control.", "title": "Suggestions on Using Teletext on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teletext , attitudes", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the teletext was a well-known feature of televisions and it was getting used less because of the internet so they should think about if they should include it and give it a prominent place on the remote control since it was still used even though not very much.", "title": "Suggestions on Using Teletext on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "big thick keys , advantages", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested that they took the present trend of mobile phones where there were like big thick keys whereby pressing on the top, it took one number, pressing on the bottom, it took another number and the space covered so that the two separate keys could not be seen, so the keys were more spacious and that it looked not very much cluttered but looked nice because they didn't have too many keys but could have a lot of options if they pressed.", "title": "Advantages of Big Thick Keys on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 108 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "big thick keys , advantages", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the big thick keys looked not very much cluttered but it looked nice and more spacious because they didn't have too many keys but had lots of different choices if they pressed on them.", "title": "Advantages of Big Thick Keys on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 108 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Well . So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand , video over-demand or what we call it as , it's presently {vocalsound} booming up actually", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah .", "User Interface : so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies , you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies , and then you select those list .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And it", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : basically you go off , it downloads the movie , it gives for you", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T_V_ .", "Project Manager : Good .", "User Interface : And thi this is going to come .", "Industrial Designer : Or even you don't need to download it , it's streamed uh online uh yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah", "Project Manager : Um , so u um", "User Interface : so . Yeah .", "Project Manager : I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you . Um", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : but it's it's getting used less and less .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : That's that's especially because of the internet of course .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : So we should think about it um . Do we include it , and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used , well very much , but it's it is still used . Um", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Um .", "Project Manager : further yes we must think , uh do we stay uh to to television only , the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh , or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So D_V_D_s and V_C_R_s ?", "Project Manager : Uh indeed indeed .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : And and and the hard disk recorders . Um , furthermore , uh , w we need really need to interest uh {vocalsound} y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and our our current customers are mainly forty plus", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : uh which well", "Industrial Designer : Fourteen", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} Forty .", "Industrial Designer : or for O okay .", "Project Manager : So", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older {disfmarker} older", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and you'll al {vocalsound} always need to have the the future with younger people .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um therefore , {vocalsound} younger people like trendy {disfmarker} trendy designs , so that's w we should make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys , you know right now if you take it you have like zero , one , two , three like a keys separately ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : you press on the top , it takes one number , you press on the bottom it takes another number , and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually", "Industrial Designer : {gap} Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm . But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting , especially if we're going after a younger market ,", "User Interface : Yeah so .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Hmm . Yes yes", "Marketing : that's the the the mm the new and the funky things ,", "Project Manager : mo", "Industrial Designer : Because they are already used to that , you know , product .", "Marketing : that's ,", "Project Manager : Yes it's recognisable {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah , there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones , not too many pretty remote controls .", "Project Manager : Mm mm .", "Marketing : That's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And and they are skilled uh by using it .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : So for example uh {disfmarker} Well uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . .. .", "User Interface : Okay , it works . Fine . So , for example you have uh presently uh keys like one , two , three like this , actually , and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like uh keys like that", "Project Manager : Mael can you hand me over this uh ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes . {gap}", "Project Manager : Uh thank you .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Okay . How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way ?", "Project Manager : Mm well", "Marketing : 'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all", "Project Manager : I think fi five min", "User Interface : Forty minutes ?", "Marketing : and it's a very important issue .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah so you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so . {vocalsound} too sorry , so we basically don't change the uh original order of them", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : but then the keys are more spacious ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : they don't look uh {disfmarker} so there there is a very sligh thing , so if you press on the top it takes the one , it takes the three , uh four , sorry four here uh five and six ,", "Marketing : Mm . Mm .", "User Interface : so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : for you don't have too many keys", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to", "Project Manager : Okay . 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear .", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Marketing : Mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 55, "turns": [ 41, 245 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "general outline", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the general outline of the new project was that they first go through the functional design phase where each one would get a certain task and they would discuss the functional design in another meeting. The second phase was the conceptual design, and then after that a detailed design that would give the project its definite shape.", "title": "Phases of the New Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "general outline", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the general outline of the new project would go through three phases, the functional design phase, the conceptual design phase, and the detailed design phase.", "title": "Phases of the New Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the meeting was basically about the new remote control which should be original, trendy, and user friendly.", "title": "Criteria of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the purpose of the meeting was basically about a new remote control and that when designing a new product, they wanted their product to be distinguished so that when people looked at the shelf they thought that was the product they needed. Also, the new remote control had to be trendy since that was what people wanted and also user-friendly otherwise it wouldn't be rated very well in consumer articles.", "title": "Criteria of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "note blocks", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they were to do some tool training on note blocks but didn't know how it worked. Industrial Designer said they would have a shared folder with documents on how it works.", "title": "Tool Training on Note Blocks", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "note blocks", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were going to do some tool training and they had notebooks, note blocks, and a whiteboard but didn't find out yet how the note blocks worked but had read from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar and it seemed some computer program but couldn't find it. Industrial Designer said it was under documents in the shared folder and they would have a shared folder with documents that they could share to find how it works.", "title": "Tool Training on Note Blocks", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whiteboard", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were going to draw on the whiteboard in some smart way but wasn't sure how it worked. Marketing said it was just a normal whiteboard but would be recording what was written. User Interface added that it had a sensor.", "title": "How the Whiteboard Works", "relevant_turns": [ 13, [ 19, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whiteboard", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager; we will try out the white-board we have here; we should try to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way; I'm not really sure how this works; Marketing; I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard, but they'll be recording what we write down; User Interface; No they will record through that. There's a sensor over there; which is going to record the strokes that you make.", "title": "How the Whiteboard Works", "relevant_turns": [ 13, [ 19, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "favourite animal", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they draw their favourite animal and they would guess what it was. Marketing said they won't be able to guess from her drawing since she was bad at drawing.", "title": "Tool Training on Whiteboard", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 68 ], [ 77, 105 ], [ 112, 116 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "favourite animal", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked Anna to draw her favourite animal on the whiteboard and they would try to guess what animal it was. Marketing said she was a very bad drawer and they were not gonna be able to guess from the drawing, so she drew the ears and said she was drawing a pet animal like a cat though she wasn't drawing a cat and then she added a tail and finally said she had drawn a blue and black zebra which she said was a very rare blue zebra. Project Manager said they could meet them in Africa.", "title": "Tool Training on Whiteboard", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 68 ], [ 77, 105 ], [ 112, 116 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Somewhere . So , {vocalsound} good morning , everyone . Um {disfmarker} Welcome at uh {disfmarker} at the kick off meeting of our uh latest project .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I hope you all have been uh updated about it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Good .", "User Interface : So . Yes .", "Project Manager : So w we will try to structure this uh meeting with an a with an agenda uh as presented here . Um after the opening we will tr get acquainted to each other .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : See what our roles are in this project . So , um {disfmarker} We have been provided with uh some uh w technical tools to uh {disfmarker} to communicate and to well , learn from each other's plans uh as I can say um so w we will also try to uh to get acquainted to this tools so they are also new to me I don't know whether you worked with them before . Um then we will come to the uh to the to the actual project plan . You all know I hope {vocalsound} how it's about uh the uh new r remote control we are going going to design .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Total .", "Project Manager : Uh then we will uh discuss uh , well , how it should be and uh {disfmarker} wh what uh what our new product should look lite {disfmarker} like . And uh well then uh after some twenty five minutes I hope uh we can end this meeting . So . Um basically this is about a uh a new c remote control . Um {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} When you design a new product you of {disfmarker} uh you of course want it to be original . Be uh {disfmarker} we want to be distinguished , mm ? People uh want to uh when they look at the shelf want to think , well that's the product I I need . So it needs to be trendy . I mean trendy is what people want , so then I w they will buy our product . But then , uh , it also should work uh user friendly and uh otherwise people uh uh well it will not be uh be rated very well in consumer uh articles and like that .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So , the general outline of uh new project will be we first uh go through a functional design phase . Um {disfmarker} You all get uh um certain task uh in this uh in this phase and uh then we will meet again and uh discuss this functional design . And the same holds for the uh ph two phases uh after this , the conceptual design and after that a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape . Alright , but first we will do some uh tool training . In all in front of you uh you see uh the uh notebooks and w uh n note blocks and we have here a a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a white-board .", "User Interface : Whitebo", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And um well it should work uh {disfmarker} I've read it from my uh from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar . I didn't find out yet how it work , but maybe one of you did , so {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Under documents in the shared folder . Okay .", "Project Manager : Yes . Do {disfmarker} Do we have to say something about that ? I I I'm not fully updated about this shared folder uh .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I guess we'll have a shared folder uh with documents that we can share . And uh , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yes well we will then find out ho how it works .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Um . Well , this seems to me , yes , some computer program but I didn't find it yet . So , we'll come to that later . So , uh now we will try out the white-board we have here . So , I would suggest uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Each of us is going .", "Project Manager : Well , yes , um we uh we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way . I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm not really sure how this works , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , shall I start ?", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yes ,", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : a good idea Mael .", "User Interface : you can start it you know .", "Marketing : I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard , but they'll be recording what we write down .", "Industrial Designer : So , i", "User Interface : No they will record through that . There's a sensor over there", "Marketing : Mm . Mm .", "User Interface : which is going to record the strokes that you make .", "Marketing : But for us it's just like a normal whiteboard .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Actually , I think I cannot go with uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} D doesn't it work ? Maybe someo Maybe {disfmarker} maybe Anna , maybe you can start .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Then he can maybe find out to get his cord right .", "Marketing : I have to draw .", "Project Manager : So um {disfmarker} L Why don't you draw uh {vocalsound} your favourite animal on on th on the white-board .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : M my {disfmarker} my favourite animal . {vocalsound} Sorry this is all tangled up here .", "Project Manager : Oh , I see uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That's better .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yes . Mm . So draw it . We will try to guess what it is . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} I'm a very bad drawer .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Weird . Um . You're not gonna be able to guess from my drawing . I'm a bad drawer . Okay .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : They're ears , by the way .", "User Interface : 's a cat .", "Marketing : No . Um close though . Okay so {disfmarker} like a pet animal .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Like a cat .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's like a cat , so I guess it's a cat . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No , not a cat though .", "Project Manager : What is this now ?", "User Interface : Ah you forget about it .", "Industrial Designer : You're on the knife .", "User Interface : Yeah , uh I think it's fine . I just don't want to carry it off . Man , this wires , eh ? We need a wireless microphone .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : You know ? Pro specially we should next project we should take l like that .", "Marketing : Okay . So .", "Project Manager : So ,", "Marketing : It's not a cat ,", "Project Manager : that's the cat .", "Marketing : it's a dog .", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : So .", "Industrial Designer : Mael .", "Project Manager : It's a dog .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : So but that's also kind of cat ,", "User Interface : Oh", "Project Manager : isn't it ?", "User Interface : the dog doesn't have a tail ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's got a tail then .", "Project Manager : B bo both predators .", "User Interface : Yeah , sure , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah .", "User Interface : I thought so . The dogs have a tail .", "Marketing : So do cats .", "Project Manager : So , thank you . Uh d did you uh work out cord ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And you guessed cats without a tail . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I think I will go without {disfmarker} without it ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : right ?", "User Interface : It'll still not extend , right ? It's not up to that .", "Marketing : Okay , there you go . So what favourite characteristics . Uh . Dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun . A horse ?", "User Interface : It's a horse .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} This is why you're the designer . And I'm marketing . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes . Yes , yes this is {disfmarker} Yes definitely a horse . Yes . Oh very good . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Ah {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I suppose it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Ah I think you can put that .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . That's it . {vocalsound} A blue and black zebra {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes . Can {disfmarker} you can meet them in Africa , I think . Yes . Very good . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The very rare blue zebras . Yes .", "User Interface : {gap} I'll tell to get it off my {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Ma Matthew ?", "User Interface : Uh ? Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : You got a lot of room here .", "Project Manager : Maybe {disfmarker}", "Marketing : You can probably reach .", "User Interface : Oh y it's not for that .", "Marketing : No ?", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : I hope you have some space in your uh the horse of uh Mael .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah . So what should I draw ? Mm . He has already to do cat .", "Marketing : I took a dog . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um . A mouse ?", "Project Manager : This looks likes a cat who has been driven over . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And we should sum up its favourite charas characteristics , right ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes , the moustache .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That's {disfmarker} that's definitely a cat .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh yeah . And i Th They like to sleep , that's why you said you they are like this .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's quite , you know {disfmarker} relaxed situation .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes , okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} She has the small legs .", "Project Manager : Th thank you , Matthew .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} Thank you , Matthew .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's a very big rat . Or a very small cat . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Perfect . {vocalsound} Oh a rat , okay .", "Project Manager : Yes , this is certain uh {disfmarker} some contribution to our project . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm 'kay .", "Industrial Designer : And you , {gap}", "Marketing : Your turn .", "Project Manager : So . Let's see . Which animal has not been drawn yet . So you've all drawn land animals ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so why not draw an animal from the water .", "Industrial Designer : A bird . Okay , in the water .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah I don't know what that is . It's a bit {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Mm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's a bit hard to guess . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Put it colours . Maybe it would help us .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : The cat is going to eat the fish or the rat ?", "Industrial Designer : With different pen widths .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm.$", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , it's a shark now .", "Industrial Designer : Ah it's a shark , yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh , yes , why not ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Good idea .", "User Interface : Ah it's a baby shark , it looks to me ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : you know it's going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish , no ?", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "Marketing : Now it's a swordfish .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Why not . A swordfish .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You have some in {disfmarker} in Australia , right ?", "Marketing : Swordfish .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , maybe .", "Industrial Designer : I dunno .", "Marketing : I've never seen one , no .", "Industrial Designer : Oh well . Yeah .", "Project Manager : I hope it still works . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Perfect . So I dunno if we need to spend time on that , actually {vocalsound} But uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You should go for the next one it seems to me .", "Project Manager : W Well , this uh this tool seemed to work .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , exactly , yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 30, "turns": [ 0, 17 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "last meeting , control , customer , design , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about the things that were decided during the last meeting, which was a universal control, one handset for all, TV, video equipment that looked uncluttered and was accessible to a wide range of consumers. A flip-open designed was discussed, as well as reducing its size and adding an electronic panel; all of these meant there might be dissonance between the budget and what they wanted.", "title": "Remote Control's Appearance and Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "last meeting , control , customer , design , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that last meeting it was decided to create a universal, uncluttered, accessible for customers control, with a flip-open design, reduced size, and electronic panel. So there might be dissonance between the budget and what they wanted.", "title": "Remote Control's Appearance and Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 17 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Help . {gap} It's up there ? That screen's black .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : Alright , okay . Okay , that's fine .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh God .", "Project Manager : Are we done ? Right , okay um , this is our second meeting and I might be a bit all over the place .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um , right our agenda for today , do you want us to give you a second ?", "Marketing : Uh , no that's okay ,", "Project Manager : Okay , um {vocalsound}", "Marketing : sorry .", "Project Manager : I'll go over what we decided last meeting ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : um , we decided upon a universal control , one handset for all , T_V_ , video equipment .", "User Interface : Sorry .", "Project Manager : Um , that it was important that the product was accessible to a wide range of consumers , wide age range , not limiting anyone . We decided it was important to reflect the company's image in our product , we put fashion in electronics , you know that kind of s thing . Um , our budget would have to affect um {disfmarker} try not to reflect our budget , um that we might have a bit of {disfmarker} oh oh you can see it , okay {vocalsound} . Um dissonance between what our budget was and what we want it to look like .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um want it to look uncluttered , undaunting to the customer . We discussed a flip-open design , um reducing the size of the control and an electronic panel um for further features like programming , things like that . Okay . Um , three presentations , I've got written here so shall we hear from Marketing first ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 28, "turns": [ 263, 299 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "twenty five euros , budget , meeting , team", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they could sell the product at twenty five Euros. Project Manager said the product was in the budget. Project Manager and User Interface congratulated the team. Project Manager said they would have a bigger project and salary, depending on who watched the meeting.", "title": "Project Finished", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], [ 9, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "twenty five euros , budget , meeting , team", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager, could sell at twenty five Euros; the cost, in the budget; so congratulation. User Interface, congratulations to the team. Project Manager, bigger project next time, bigger salary, depends on who watch, meeting.", "title": "Project Finished", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], [ 9, 23 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : The the the financial aspect were okay . We we have the cost below uh our threshold and so we could sell at twenty five Euros and make i make profit . The the evaluation give satisfying result as well . So I think we can move to the last part of the meeting .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So the cost is in the budget , the evaluation is okay , so I th I think we can now uh open champagne and make a huge party .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Start to eat banana . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I don't know if it's provided by uh by the meeting staff .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay so congratulation . {vocalsound} Nice product .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Congratulations to the team . Uh very well , we worked together fantastically .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I think it was a good collaboration uh . Aspect .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So what does the management say ?", "Project Manager : Sorry ?", "User Interface : What does the management say ?", "Project Manager : I think we will have um much bigger project next time and a much bigger salary as well .", "User Interface : Ah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : All it depends on who watch this meeting .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} We don't know . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , so", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : good guys {vocalsound} ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so see you for next uh successful project . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah . Fruits .", "Marketing : Mm 'kay .", "User Interface : Mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 36, "turns": [ 185, 190 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "financial aims , target markets , new remote control project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the selling price was twenty or something Euros, and the profit aim was more than fifty million Euros, with a focus on different kinds of users and cultures for the international market, and the production cost was twelve Euros. They didn't make remote controls with small television inside.", "title": "Project Manager Explaining the Financial Aims and Target Markets of the New Remote Control Project", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "financial aims , target markets , new remote control project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; selling; twenty five Euros; profit; fifty million Euros; different; users; cultures; trends; production; twelve and a half Euros.", "title": "Project Manager Showing the Financial Aims and Target Markets of the New Remote Control Project", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um as you can see , we um for our remote control , a selling price is uh twenty five Euros . Our selling price . Uh our profit aim is fifty million Euros . Uh that's the least we have to get from our remote controls , so we have to work together to reach our aims . Uh we can do it international , so we have to focus on different kind of users , different kind of cultures , and different kind of trends as well . Um but that's all in the later stadium . Our production cost um can be maximal twelve and a half Euros , so that's also a point we have to keep in mind , that we won't make remote controls with small televisions inside , and stuff like that . It won't work . So just try to remember these points . Selling price twenty five , profit aims fifty million um , but more important is the int international market we're trying to focus on . And production cost uh maximal twelve and a half Euros . So that's leads us to our little discussion . We've got about five or ten minutes left for discussion . So I'm gonna sit down , I think . It's easier .", "Marketing : Yeah , you got a message .", "Project Manager : I've got a message . Five minutes . Okay ,", "User Interface : Five minutes , okay .", "Project Manager : that's uh good timing . {vocalsound} {gap}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 39, "turns": [ 171, 433 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new product , functional design , new requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they got some new information about the project like that teletext wasn't popular anymore because people used the internet more than teletext, but that they haven't removed the button, then said that they wanted the new product to target young people.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About New Requirements for the Functional Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new product , functional design , new requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; new information; project specifications; teletext; not very popular; because; internet; targeting young people now; this; new product.", "title": "Project Manager Explaining the New Requirements for the Functional Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "universal remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that that ruled out a universal remote control because it wasn't possible. Later Industrial Designer wanted to know if they wanted a universal remote control or not, then Project Manager answered that the universal remote control was possible.", "title": "Industrial Designer and Project Manager Talking About Universal Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 77 ], [ 84, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "universal remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked if they wanted a universal remote control, Project Manager said it was possible.", "title": "Industrial Designer and Project Manager Talking About Universal Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 77 ], [ 84, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "second level menu", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that it should speak by itself, as an example, it bought a remote control last week, and it had so many buttons that it didn't know what they did. after that said that they would have been better with fewer buttons, and maybe if it had a second level menu for advanced things it was a plus.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Second Level Menu", "relevant_turns": [ [ 178, 188 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "second level menu", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote should have very little buttons, and maybe a second level menu for advanced things.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Second Level Menu", "relevant_turns": [ [ 178, 188 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that speech recognition was very hard for the international market.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 69, 73 ], [ 97, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "speech recognition", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that speech recognition was something they should go. Later, said that universal was good, but speech recognition was very hard because of the international market.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 69, 73 ], [ 97, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "changeable covers", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they were keeping the logo in mind, with fashionable colors, then thought that changeable covers were a good idea, got the idea from Nokia. Later Industrial designer said that if they did a remote with changeable covers, then it was a cover for every language. User Interface asked if the changeable covers included buttons, Project Manager said no.", "title": "Project Manager, Industrial Designer, and User Interface Talking About Changeable Covers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 20 ], [ 128, 130 ], [ 140, 144 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "changeable covers", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that wanted changeable covers. Industrial Designer said yes but multi-lingual covers. User Interface asked if buttons were included.", "title": "Project Manager, Industrial Designer, and User Interface Talking About Changeable Covers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 20 ], [ 128, 130 ], [ 140, 144 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "young people", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were targeting young people because the product was new, and they wanted to appeal to younger buyers, then said it was people under forty. Later Project Manager said that for young people, passing trends were important.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Younger People", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], 139 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "young people", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they were targeting young people under forty, with the new product, and young people were really sensitive to trends.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Younger People", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], 139 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "durable", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they should have looked into durable materials, so faded symbols weren't an issue, even replacing the cover.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Durability", "relevant_turns": [ [ 114, 119 ], [ 150, 157 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "durable", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they should look into the materials that were real durable, then faded symbols wouldn't be a problem. Later, if buttons faded away, and the remote was durable, they only needed to change the cover.", "title": "Project Manager Discussion About Durability", "relevant_turns": [ [ 114, 119 ], [ 150, 157 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : I'll get back to my thing then . Uh {disfmarker} Okay , back this up {disfmarker} to the screen . So I got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little . Like you said uh teletext is not not very popular anymore because the uh the internet , nowadays people don't use the teletext anymore or hardly , so it can either {disfmarker} Well , I don't think we should remove the button , because there are always people who are using it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But I don't think it should be {vocalsound} very {disfmarker} it should be one of the big buttons for example . Just put it somewhere or under second option or whatever . It's not important anymore . Um we're targeting young people now , because our um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} This is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people ,", "Marketing : Uh .", "Project Manager : which are {disfmarker} um the younger people were defined under forty .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I so I think it's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : that's also good with the fashion and everything ,", "Marketing : B", "Project Manager : so yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , and they want to pay for it", "Project Manager : They want to pay for it , people are willing to spend money actually to buy a um remote that they like .", "Marketing : and uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : If they like the way it looks , the way it functions , so they're actually gonna spend uh spend money on it .", "Marketing : With more {disfmarker} Where {disfmarker} with more technical specifications", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : in the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {gap} {vocalsound} see how far we can go with it anyway , so", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} And one thing that should be important is that the corporate l colour and slogan are recognisable , which is apparently {vocalsound} black and yellow , but {disfmarker} I'm not sure if we {disfmarker} I think we should keep the the logo in mind , because with colours you can uh have a lot of uh fashionable colours and everything on it , which suits everybody's taste . So {disfmarker} With that concept I started thinking , so why not just steal Nokia's idea and just make changeable covers for your {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh .", "Project Manager : I mean those cost hardly anything I think , and people could even spend extra money on buying a cover", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see . Or we can sh for example we can make a different {vocalsound} {disfmarker} a basic design . And sell the covers separately , for example . That's just a little marketing idea that could be applied , so you can p it appeals to really everyone . So you don't have to {disfmarker} I think you don't have to make entire remote controls . We make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone . So", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : just {disfmarker} I'm not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime , after making a presentation . Would you like to share ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No , I think this is a good idea .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} oh ?", "User Interface : Is it manageable ? Is it easy ?", "Industrial Designer : Go ahead .", "Marketing : Yeah , with with an L_C_D_ screen you can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah . I think we should lose the L_C_D_ screen ,", "Industrial Designer : Y Yes , I think so too .", "Project Manager : like you said . I think for example it's it's huge {disfmarker} I think the L_C_D_ is huge ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Why ? Nokia w", "Project Manager : it consumes batteries like hell .", "Marketing : Uh .", "Project Manager : I think it takes up a lot of a lot of power .", "User Interface : And it costs too much to fabricate ,", "Project Manager : It costs a lot , I think .", "User Interface : so we're on a tight budget here .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What we could do , what could be possible , is maybe not an L_C_D_ screen but with a preview ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : but y I'm not sure if it's even possible {vocalsound} . For example , a little T_V_ guide .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Like you have a little {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : just just a text only , not colour , just a little text thing", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so you can use your remote as a T_V_ guide . I'm not sure it's even possible ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . I have to check that out ,", "Project Manager : but maybe okay , make it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I'm not sure .", "Project Manager : Yeah , find a little compromise in that , but {disfmarker} What did I write down ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think the p yeah , the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement , just make a button on your T_V_", "Industrial Designer : That must be possible .", "Project Manager : and just hit the button , it beeps somewhere . I think it's easy to implement ,", "Industrial Designer : Ja .", "Project Manager : we should go for that .", "Industrial Designer : I'm sorry ,", "Project Manager : Uh speech recognition .", "User Interface : And it's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : whe where do you wanna hit the T_ {disfmarker} you wanna {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we want a button on the television . {gap}", "Project Manager : I thin {vocalsound} Yeah , I mean where else should you put it ?", "Industrial Designer : In th okay , but that rules out a universal remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Because that's not possible uh .", "Project Manager : but {vocalsound} how are you gonna use that if your {disfmarker} I mean if your remote control is lost , how are you gonna press {disfmarker} where are you gonna press the button ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh . Yeah . Exactly .", "User Interface : Maybe just a slap-on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal .", "Project Manager : A slap-on sticker . Oh , you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your T_V_ .", "Marketing : Mm uh .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that could be possible .", "User Interface : Yeah , exactly .", "Project Manager : A little little box you can attach to your T_V_ is fine then , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , then uh I'd I'd like to know now if we want the uh universal remote control or not , because that's uh determines everything I'm gonna do .", "Project Manager : I think it's universal . I think we should go for universal ,", "Industrial Designer : If not {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : because apparently we're a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : I think universal remote control should be possible .", "Marketing : Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , then I go for that .", "Marketing : Everyone uh wants to buy it , so we w", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think we're targeting everyone ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so remote {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . No ,", "Marketing : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : it's fine with me , but then I know what to look for .", "Project Manager : Okay , universal is good . Speech recognition , I think it's very hard , because we're selling across multiple countries . So I think implementing speech recognition is such a small um apparatus , it's very hard to do .", "Marketing : Yeah . Or one .", "User Interface : And it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Or when you say one two uh i it uh it's enough ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , but I don't see Arabian people speaking one , two uh whatever .", "Marketing : right ? But {disfmarker} Oh yeah .", "User Interface : Besides that , the technology isn't really super yet , so that {vocalsound} is a problem in implementing this .", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's not a mature technology , I think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It's a good idea , but it's just not {disfmarker} I don't think the market's ripe for that yet .", "Project Manager : I don't think it should be implemented in a remote control yet uh .", "Industrial Designer : Uh-huh .", "Project Manager : What else do we have ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable . So the the the symbols won't fade ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : maybe a little harder plastic", "Industrial Designer : Exactly .", "Project Manager : or especially li we don't {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I already noted that .", "Project Manager : maybe we don't have have to do all the buttons , but especially the ones that are um the popular buttons , so those always fade first .", "Industrial Designer : Mm , okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : Mm the thing is the most important things that we have now .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Let's see .", "Industrial Designer : If we uh make a remote control with changeable covers , then we can also make uh a cover for every language area .", "Project Manager : For example ?", "Industrial Designer : That's fo {vocalsound} is uh especially for older people , that they can read it read it in their own language .", "Project Manager : Well , we're not we're not targeting older people ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : we should remember that . Everything we target is under forty ,", "Industrial Designer : That's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so .", "Industrial Designer : okay , okay .", "Project Manager : You assume that that they read correctly and I think they're {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Huh .", "Project Manager : The most important thing about young people is that they're really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world ,", "Marketing : But b", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh okay .", "User Interface : But should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No , of course . No , I think it's just something you you put over them , because {disfmarker} Yeah we c Yeah , you ca Well ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : tha that's not a that's not a bad {disfmarker} that's not even {disfmarker}", "User Interface : C", "Marketing : But every {disfmarker}", "User Interface : that's a problem with the with the text then .", "Project Manager : it's not even a bad idea . I mean , for example , if you're if you're into the durability issue you could {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : For example , if your buttons are faded , after {disfmarker} I mean if you make a durable remote , they are faded , you can just buy a new cover .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Uh I'm not sure it's it's hard to make .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : So it's a good and a bad idea .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh but I know that the buttons are like a Nokia telephone on uh one sleeve ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so you don't have to change your whole cover . Uh we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve .", "User Interface : Oh yeah , I know what you mean .", "Industrial Designer : Know what I mean ?", "Marketing : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : It works the same as a Nokia telephone , it's it's in my uh {disfmarker} 'kay .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I know , it's just just a one one piece of rubber for example ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : okay . Yeah ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly .", "Project Manager : that's what I {disfmarker} something I have to look into . Either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover , I'm not sure which which is easier ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um anyway , yeah , this is what we're gonna do afterwards , just lunch break and have more individual work after that , so let's see what we {disfmarker} let's see we {disfmarker} So you have to come up with a components concept , yeah . I want some {disfmarker} you should do some trend-watching , because even if we're if we're gonna do those covers and everything , what people really want , that's what we need to know in this phase ,", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : because that's gonna be the essential final design that we're gonna come up with .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Yeah , I think user interface is fairly obvious . I mean it should be very intuitive ,", "User Interface : Pretty straightforward .", "Project Manager : s Yeah , it should speak for itself . Uh for example I bought a remote control last week with a new T_V_ , it was it l it's like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at first ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and I'm {gap} total T_V_ new , anyway . So I think it should be {disfmarker} have less or l very little buttons and maybe a second {vocalsound} second level menu for the advanced things . Or maybe just stick 'em under a menu , like you said the um {vocalsound} the sound options and the surround and whatever , they're more complicated , just stick 'em under one menu and uh give it a {disfmarker} just put it in in s in a software piece , you can menu and you can uh select everything you want to to set on your T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Is it techni technically possible to uh {vocalsound} send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : because we're working with different types of television , so we're going to work with that ?", "Project Manager : That is true .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think so .", "Project Manager : No , that's true .", "Industrial Designer : No , I don't think so . Because the television needs to respond to the signal ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's true .", "User Interface : It's an in-built menu ,", "Industrial Designer : and if it doesn't know how , it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : isn't it ? Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Exactly , that's not possible .", "User Interface : So basically", "Project Manager : I'm not sure if it's impossible ,", "User Interface : we {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : but uh there's a chance it's not , so .", "User Interface : Or we could use a double-sided {disfmarker} for {vocalsound} less used functions", "Project Manager : A double-sided remote control ?", "User Interface : you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I don't think that's useful .", "User Interface : Yeah , with the cover . {vocalsound} I it's basically an idea to overcome these issues ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , but then you're gonna have a lot of wasted buttons .", "User Interface : because {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : For example you have a Sony T_V_ and the half of the buttons won't function if you have a {disfmarker} for a Sony that won't {disfmarker} for a Philips T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : No , but basic functions {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : but functions which are not frequently used .", "Project Manager : I don't think we should {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Because if we use a universal remote control , we're going to have to have most buttons on it ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , for exam", "User Interface : so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I'm not s", "Marketing : Mm yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah , for ex you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that {disfmarker} it should do what people usually do with their T_V_s , not not the very complicated settings", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : that you can usually do that with uh either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : but you can't you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of T_V_s .", "Industrial Designer : But that might be broken .", "Project Manager : I think there's I think there is a standard for example between uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} Hmm .", "Project Manager : because usually the the menu is {disfmarker} the menu button is is usable between different brands . Especially the big ones , the big brands ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . Hmm .", "Project Manager : so . 'Cause everybody {disfmarker} I have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button , so I think {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : I'm not sure , if you can put some research into that , if it's possible . Uh I think just a b", "Industrial Designer : Mm okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and the navigation is very basic , it's usually the same thing .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . But I think there must be a way uh to invoke the more complicated functions of a television . For instance , if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours , then uh you should be able to get everything out of the television that's in it .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , that's true . I think so", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Because otherwise you'll lose functions by buying our {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : uh we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu , I think it's possible , just the way how to .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , I thi I think so too .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , then then you could do everything I suppose , because usually the T_V_s have tha that inside in this other little piece of software , so it's okay .", "Industrial Designer : And I think that our r remote control should not look like uh any other . For instance uh Sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same , only the labels are different .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah I think it should be a little distinct from everything else ,", "Industrial Designer : We should not do that .", "Project Manager : because it's {disfmarker} either it's both {gap} mayb", "Industrial Designer : Exactly .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : maybe the shape can be a little different .", "User Interface : I have some ideas . I have some ideas .", "Project Manager : Maybe it's a little more curves or whatever .", "Industrial Designer : Mm that's your uh division . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker} yeah . And uh with different colours uh .", "Project Manager : So um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I'll put some on paper and present them next time uh the ideas that I have .", "Project Manager : Yeah , this {gap} . 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So , it wouldn't be {pause} I wasn't planning to label the time marks .", "PhD D :", "PhD E : I can give you my transcription file ,", "Postdoc B : I was thinking that that would come from the engineering side ,", "PhD D : I don't think you need to .", "PhD E : no ?", "Postdoc B : yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah . That should be linked to the words which are linked to time somehow ,", "Postdoc B : There you go .", "Grad A : Well we 're not any time soon going to get a forced alignment .", "PhD D : right ? Not now .", "Grad A : So .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Grad A : Um If it 's not hand - marked then we 're not going to get the times .", "PhD D : Well , it 's something that w Well , we {disfmarker} we wouldn't be able to do any work without a forced alignment anyway ,", "PhD E : Yes", "PhD D : so somehow if {disfmarker} once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one", "Professor C : Yes .", "PhD D : and Yeah .", "Grad A : I mean w I guess we could do a very bad one with Broadcast News .", "Postdoc B : Good . Good .", "PhD D : So whatever you would label would be attached to the words , I think .", "Postdoc B : Great ! Good , good . Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor C : Well again for the close {pause} mike stuff , we could come up {disfmarker} take a s take the Switchboard system or something ,", "Grad A : That might be good enough . Yeah .", "Professor C : and {disfmarker} Um", "Grad A : It 'd be worth a try . It would be interesting to see what we get .", "Professor C : Just , you know , low - pass filter the speech and {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Cuz there 's {disfmarker} there 's a lot of work you can't do without that , I mean , how {disfmarker} how would you {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD D : You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word", "Grad A : Yep .", "Postdoc B : It would be very inefficient .", "PhD D : is y if you 're interested in anything to do with words .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : So . Anyway {pause} So that 'd be great .", "Postdoc B : Good . OK .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor C : There 's something we should talk about later but maybe not just now . But , uh , should talk about our options as far as the uh uh {pause} transcription", "Grad A : Yep , if IBM doesn't {disfmarker}", "Professor C : But . Well , w But we 'll do that later .", "Postdoc B : OK . Good .", "PhD D : Do we hafta {pause} turn {disfmarker}", "Postdoc B : Yeah . Let 's do that later .", "PhD D : Are we supposed to keep recording here ?", "Grad A : Yeah {vocalsound} Right .", "Postdoc B : Yeah .", "Professor C : We 'll talk about it later .", "Postdoc B : Yeah .", "Professor C : So {vocalsound} uh Uh \" forms \" .", "Grad A : Forms Next iteration of forms .", "Professor C : You had something on forms .", "Grad A : Oops ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 20, 179 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting , funding issues", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Williams said that sometimes the Government did not think about training the staff of the student reference units. David Hopkins said there were arrangements with the government to ensure as much money as possible goes to schools, but the minister has earmarked more money for additional learning needs, which put more pressure on schools and authorities. David Hopkins said it has been difficult to know how directors and governing bodies would react to financial pressure or in terms of performance measures, because even as they tried to agree with partners on a broader range of measures to provide opportunity to schools and local authorities, yes it could be possible that the ALN legislation puts pressure, not only on local authorities and schools, but also on the post-16 sector, because the range has been extended to 25 years. Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked what her views were on the balance between funding being used for diagnosis and support. Liz Williams said that creating a balance would be really difficult, and has even been addressed in the investigative stages of the report, because children would be at risk of being excluded without awareness and knowledge of additional learning needs. That was why diagnostics could be really helpful, for staff to be aware of the student's needs and perhaps aware of why the child might be displaying challenging behavior. Despite this, if there was not a proper understanding of the child's condition or additional learning needs, and adequate support, then diagnosis alone would be of no value. Either way, it would be of paramount importance that schools were inclusive, and that children, regardless of whether or not they had an additional learning need, had an adequate opportunity to progress.", "title": "Funding Challenges", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 158 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting , funding issues", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM asked if the funding challenges facing schools would lead to more exclusions, because additional learning needs have been affected and the side effects of that created even more exclusions. Sharon Davies said that now that the New Law came into force, it would put more pressure on the system. Sia Gwenllian AM asked if they should spend more for the new law. Nick Williams and Sharon Davies thought so. Sian Hughes asked about Nick's experience. Nick Williams said that sometimes the Government did not think about training the staff of the student reference units. Sian Gwenllian AM asked if the difficulties that arose between the money retained by the local authority and the funding of the schools may affect the type of provision that occurred from authority to authority. David Hopkins said yes, that while there were agreements with the government to ensure that as much money as possible went to schools, it did affect exclusions because it put pressure on some schools and principals. Sian Gwenllian AM asked if the pressures that came with the new Law could mean more expulsions. David Hopkins said he shouldn't, but he could, because it was hard to know how directors and governing bodies would react to financial pressure or in terms of performance measures. For this reason they agreed with the partners on a broader range of measures to provide opportunities for schools and local authorities, if it was possible for the ALN legislation to exert pressure, not only on local authorities and schools, but also on the post-16 sector, because the range has been extended to 25 years. Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked what she thought about the balance between funds being used for diagnosis and support. Liz Williams said creating a balance would be really difficult and has even been addressed in the research stages of the report, because children would be at risk of being left out without awareness and knowledge of additional learning needs. That was why diagnostics could be really helpful, for staff to be aware of the student's needs and perhaps aware of why the child might be displaying challenging behavior. Despite this, if there was not a proper understanding of the child's condition or additional learning needs, and adequate support, then diagnosis alone would be of no value. In any case, it would be of the utmost importance that schools were inclusive and that children, regardless of whether they required further learning, had an adequate opportunity to progress.", "title": "Funding Challenges", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 158 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new Act", "speaker": "David Hopkins" }, "summary": "David Hopkins said the ALN legislation would put more pressure on local authorities, schools and the post-16 sector, but it would not be possible to know how principals and governing bodies would react to the financial pressure or in terms of performance measures.", "title": "Pressure on Local Authorities", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new act", "speaker": "David Hopkins" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM asked if the pressures that came with the new Law could mean more expulsions. David Hopkins said he did not know how directors and governing bodies would react to financial pressure or in terms of performance measures, and as they tried to agree with partners on a broader range of measures to manage it more constructively, David Hopkins believed that the ALN legislation would put more pressure, not only on local authorities and schools, but also on the post-16 sector, because they would now have a wider age range, going up to 25, and this could generate many problems that would have to be considered and resolved.", "title": "Pressure on Local Authorities", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "affected exclusions , factor", "speaker": "David Hopkins" }, "summary": "David Hopkins said what affected the exclusions was that there was a very narrow measure that put pressure on some schools and principals. David Hopkins added that they were trying to agree with partners, a wider range of measures to assess with the new curriculum that was coming, because the ALN legislation would put pressure, not only on local authorities and schools, but also on the sector. post-16., because the age range would be extended to 25, so many problems may arise that they should consider and solve.", "title": "Pressure and Exclusions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exclusions , factor", "speaker": "David Hopkins" }, "summary": "David Hopkins; the factors that really affect exclusions; got the very narrow measure at the end of key stage 4 attainment; has put pressure on some schools, certainly, and headteachers; It's difficult to know how headteachers and governing bodies will react. If they're under pressure financially or in terms of performance measures; trying to agree with partners, including Estyn and the Welsh Government, a broader range of measures; particularly with the new curriculum coming in; ALN legislation will put pressures on, not just local authorities and schools, but also on the post-16 sector, because we're talking now about a wider age range\u2014doing up to 25 as well; So; got a host of issues; to consider and work our way through.", "title": "Pressure and Exclusions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. We've got some questions now on funding from Si\u00e2n Gwenllian.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : May I begin, maybe, with a question, generally speaking\u2014? We're all aware of the funding issues and the challenges of funding that face schools in general. So, can this lead to more exclusions, because additional learning needs have been hit in light of these challenges, and then that the side-effects of that creates more exclusions?", "Sharon Davies : In particular now with the new Act coming into force, that's going to place more pressure on the system. In Torfaen, we know that we have schools that are looking at their funding\u2014they are behind, and they have to make these hard choices. And sometimes, they have to look at every aspect within the school in terms of their learners, then, and that does place additional pressure on the schools.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Is the additional learning needs sector being adversely affected, worse than\u2014?", "Sharon Davies : I'm not sure whether it's being worse affected, but certainly there's pressure, in particular with the new Act coming in, and that's going to place more pressure on the system.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But maybe we need to spend more in light of the new Act?", "Sharon Davies : Yes.", "Nick Williams : Yes, certainly.", "Sian Hughes : What is your experience, then?", "Nick Williams : The same, really. But just sometimes, the Government doesn't think about the staff in the pupil referral units, because we've gone back to the Government to tell them, 'Right, you've provided money to school staff, but what about staff that need training\u2014perhaps more than staff in the school sector?' And in fairness, they have addressed that, but perhaps it's not at the forefront of their minds when they're thinking of providing funding to the schools. So, it's a little bit of an afterthought. But this will be needed in the future, certainly.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And maybe I can ask the WLGA: are the difficulties that can arise between the money that is kept back by local authorities and the funding that goes directly to schools\u2014can that therefore affect the kind of provision that's happening from authority to authority?", "David Hopkins : Yes, sure. The delegation levels are already very high in most authority areas, and we've got agreements in place with the Government to make sure that more money, or as much money as possible, is devolved to schools. So, I don't think that's a direct factor. I think the factors that really affect exclusions, which is where I think the question came from: you've got the very narrow measure at the end of key stage 4 attainment, which I think has put pressure on some schools, certainly, and headteachers have felt that\u2014sometimes excluded, or otherwise put into another school as a consequence, which is regrettable, but that's what's happened. And on the additional learning needs side, whilst the Minister has currently made some more money available, if we look at experiences that have happened in England, in particular, because there are direct parallels there with legislation, we know from those experiences that ALN funding has become increasingly under pressure\u2014there have been big issues around tribunals, to the point where local authorities at one point almost gave up going to tribunals, because they were losing them time and time again. So, there are financial pressures there, but I don't think the levels of delegation have any impact on that.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. But just the pressures coming in with the new Act et cetera could mean more expulsions.", "David Hopkins : It shouldn't, but it could. It's difficult to know how headteachers and governing bodies will react. If they're under pressure financially or in terms of performance measures, they will react in a particular way. Culturally, we've got to get to the point, I think, particularly with the new curriculum coming in, where we say, 'Look, forget the narrow measures that you're being judged by. We're trying to agree with partners, including Estyn and the Welsh Government, a broader range of measures.' That, in a sense, may provide opportunities for schools, and local authorities, to look more constructively at this whole area. So, that's one area, but you're right, I think the ALN legislation will put pressures on, not just local authorities and schools, but also on the post-16 sector, because we're talking now about a wider age range\u2014doing up to 25 as well. So, we've got a host of issues, I think, there to consider and work our way through.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And is the fact that there's variation from term to term, from week to week sometimes, in the level of provision that a school is going to have to provide for trying to retain those pupils in mainstream schools\u2014is the fact that there is so much variation creating a specific challenge, and maybe that that leads to more exclusions?", "Sharon Davies : As you say, because it changes, it's difficult then to plan ahead, and from year to year and also, as you've said, within the term. Perhaps you have provision for more learners coming in or moving, and then that causes the pressure within the system, then, because you haven't planned for them, and therefore there's no spare funding there to draw on.", "Nick Williams : Also, in fairness to PRUs, we've been trying to work on the fact that, if children move out of school, the funding follows them. We don't want a lag in the system, because they have to meet the challenge of the pupils, but the money is still in the schools, because it's once a year that they have that funding.", "Sian Hughes : Okay, thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. We've got some questions now from Janet Finch-Saunders.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. And what are your views on the balance between funding being used for diagnosis and support, because I know that the Samaritans report suggested that funding tends to go into diagnosis rather than support? How can the balance be addressed?", "Liz Williams : I think it's a really difficult balance, but it was something that was brought up in the research stages of our report. So, we held a round table during the research period, and participants said that they were particularly concerned about the lack of awareness and knowledge of children who had additional learning needs. And, obviously, this is quite serious because these children are at risk of being excluded and are over-represented in excluded groups. And they were particularly concerned about children who were sort of on the cusp, or not properly diagnosed, and a lot of these children would have things like attention deficit disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and, again, these made up the cohort of pupils who were excluded. So, when you consider that, you tend to think, actually, diagnosis could be really useful, so that staff are aware of the pupil's needs, and maybe aware of why the child might be demonstrating challenging behaviour. However, what participants did say was that unless there was a proper understanding of the child's condition or additional learning needs, and that the proper support was there, then diagnosis alone wasn't of value. So, I think one of the participants said that up to 50 per cent of learners in a classroom could have an additional learning need, so, again, if the support isn't there, that child isn't going to benefit from diagnosis. And what was really highlighted is the importance of the school being inclusive, and for that child, regardless of whether they had an additional learning need or not, to have proper opportunity to progress.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 30, "turns": [ 132, 351 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about the chosen case, the team discussed the color case design, it could be wooden color, black or grey, and User Interface asked about the possibility of changeable cases like the cases phones, the team agreed and Project Manager said that they could sell the cases, and User Interface agreed, they said that the control remote needed a standard case that was the original, then the other cases were chosen for the users.", "title": "The Team Talking About the Case Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager, get to the point of the case, little bit back to marketing as well, choose for wood or the black and grey, or both; wood, lot more expensive to produce. Marketing, most important factor, wooden colour, wouldn't actually have to be wood. Project Manager, yeah; with colour, a lot more expensive? Industrial Designer, dunno, have to research. Marketing, probably. Project Manager, more difficult to handle and to get in the right shape. User Interface, possible to make changeable case; mobile phones, change the case of it. Project Manager, yeah, change the cases. User Interface, maybe, possible, have just to make one standard remote control. Project Manager, sell the cases, very good option; something other remotes don't have, get a great advantage point; make them with colour, black and grey, other colours. Marketing, would have to look into the design. Project Manager, costs. Marketing, would have to, fit in with a wooden cover and a plastic cover. Project Manager, everybody, okay with the changing covers.", "title": "The Team Discussion About the Case Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "decision , changeable cases", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team decided that they made a standard case and changeable cases of different colors, Project Manager said that they could sell the changeable cases and the team agreed.", "title": "Team Decision About the Changeable Cases", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 26 ], 34, [ 51, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "decision , changeable cases", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface, possible to make changeable case. Project Manager, yeah, change the cases. User Interface, possible, have just to make one standard remote control. Project Manager, sell the cases, very good option; make them with colour, black and grey. Project Manager, everybody, okay with the changing covers. User Interface, yeah. Industrial Designer, Yes", "title": "The Group Decisions About the Changeable Cases", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 26 ], 34, [ 51, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "give up , idea , symmetrical buttons", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that it wasn't sure if that was very good for the ease of use.", "title": "Group Decision About the Symmetrical Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "give up , idea , symmetrical buttons", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group gave up the idea about positioning symmetrical buttons on both the left and right sides because Marketing said that it wasn't sure if that was a very good idea for ease of use.", "title": "The Group Decision About the Symmetrical Buttons on the Sides", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channels button", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface said that wanted to put the channels buttons on the right side, Marketing said that this would be good because a lot of controls caused some medical problems.", "title": "User Interface and Marketing Talking About the Changing Channels Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 81, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "channels button", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface wanted to put the channels button on the right side, Marketing said that that was good because other controls caused RSI.", "title": "User Interface and Marketing Talking About the Channels Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 81, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wooden colour", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the most important factor was the wooden colour, Project Manager asked for the cost, and Industrial Designer answered that they researched this.", "title": "Group Talking About Wooden Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "wooden colour", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager, choose for wood or the black and grey, or both; wood, more expensive; attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive. Marketing, wooden colour, so it wouldn't actually have to be wood. Project Manager, yeah, right. Marketing, wood-coloured. Project Manager, with colour was a lot more expensive? Industrial Designer, have to research.", "title": "Team Talking About Wooden Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 17 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {gap} , advanced chip . And then we get to the point of the case . Um which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well . Uh if we wanna choose for wood or the black and grey . Or both ? Um as we saw there is not {disfmarker} Yeah wood is a lot more expensive to produce .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um but I think it will attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive , which they can show off to their grandkids .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Look I've got a new remote control , and uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh I dunno .", "Marketing : Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And I think most important factor there is the wooden colour . So it wouldn't actually have to be wood ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's right .", "Marketing : if it's just", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : wood-coloured .", "Project Manager : But with colour was a lot more expensive ? Or ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm I dunno .", "Project Manager : You don't know ?", "Industrial Designer : I'll have to uh research .", "Project Manager : I think so because {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : Probably .", "Project Manager : It's a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape .", "User Interface : Mm . Uh is it possible uh to make um changeable uh case . So um uh you 'cause uh {disfmarker} Yeah with uh mobile phones uh uh so uh like the Nokia mobile phones , uh when you can change the case of it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So", "Project Manager : Change the cases . Yeah .", "User Interface : maybe it's possible uh possibility . So um um you have just to make one um standard um remote control , and um yeah you can sell uh few uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You can sell the cases .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I think that's a very good option . Because um then you can advertise as well with the {disfmarker} Give your grandfather a new case for his remote control , or whatever . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Because that's a {disfmarker} it's something extra , it's something other remotes don't have ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : which we can get a great advantage point .", "Marketing : Yeah that is true .", "Project Manager : So and then you can make them with colour . Black and grey , other colours as well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . We would have to look carefully into the design though .", "Project Manager : Costs .", "Marketing : 'Cause we would have to make one w uh control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a plastic cover . The more original one , or the more standard one .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah . So", "Marketing : So that would {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : you suggest we should design two different telephones on which you can apply , yeah {vocalsound} remote controls , on which you can apply different case covers , for example .", "Marketing : Well I wouldn't design a telephone", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well no I think w we should just , we should then just design one um", "Project Manager : Remote .", "Marketing : one remote , but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "Marketing : So , but that shouldn't be too much of a problem .", "Project Manager : So everybody's okay with the changing covers ? I think that's a good uh good option .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Changing case covers .", "Marketing : Um I heard our Industrial Designer talk about uh flat , single and double curved .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Marketing : Could you explain that a little more ?", "Industrial Designer : Well the the general like most older remotes are flat , just straight .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And uh our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases .", "Marketing : And what would single curved and double curved mean ?", "Industrial Designer : Um it would just only affect the form , for as far as I know . So it's j really just up to the design department what we're gonna use . It doesn't really matter for the price or the functionality .", "Marketing : Okay . So we can pretty much just do whatever we want .", "Industrial Designer : Pick one you like , yes .", "Project Manager : Mm . Okay .", "Marketing : 'Kay . That's good .", "Project Manager : Uh but the form has to be um {disfmarker} It has to {disfmarker} It's has to be possible to stand up ? Or just only to lie down ?", "Marketing : No just to lie down .", "User Interface : {gap} okay .", "Project Manager : And the the cover of the the docking station is also", "Marketing : We'll go for that .", "Project Manager : on top of the television then ? Or not ?", "Marketing : Well or besides it .", "Project Manager : And you can just yeah then click it in . That's okay . Um so the interface . What type of interface do we want to use ? Um maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : on the the board .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Does somebody have ideas for a form or", "User Interface : Uh we can just use the regular form of it , but it's um not quite uh fancy . So um {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : Um you uh said you wanted to put the um changing channels button on the right side ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : so you could , so your thumb would be easily {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well uh I think that was a very good point 'cause I pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause R_S_I_ .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : So that would be great for that . Um I thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side .", "User Interface : For uh {disfmarker} Uh for {disfmarker}", "Marketing : For left-handed users also .", "User Interface : Yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : Mm . Yeah we Is it possible to um program it s so uh you got on the left side uh or on the right side uh buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up ? And on the uh other uh {vocalsound} uh o other side uh buttons for uh shifting , uh for for the sound ? Or {disfmarker} Or isn't it ?", "Marketing : For the volume . Um well", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : that could {gap} Yeah we could do that but I'm not sure if that would be very good for the easy , ease of use .", "Project Manager : Usabili Yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult ,", "User Interface : Yeah okay .", "Project Manager : and then it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But if we would make um a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides , that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : 'Cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff .", "User Interface : Yeah", "Project Manager : But you have extra buttons .", "User Interface : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So people can get confused .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : That is true .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Especially if they have the same writings on it .", "User Interface : See um yeah . Or we have to make a left uh {disfmarker} For lefties", "Project Manager : Can't we make uh {disfmarker} Can't we make a remote which you can flip over and use on the same", "User Interface : and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : functions as the normal one ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You mean um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Then you have to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah if {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Let's see if I ca A blank one . And then you get {disfmarker} Here's a little L_C_D_ screen . Uh now I have to think . It's a plus and a min . No it's not very handy I think . Because the plus and the min will be opposite", "User Interface : Mm no .", "Project Manager : and all kinds of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No that's not gonna work . I guess . Maybe we should {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . But is it a problem that left-handed persons use a different hand ? I think the functions are that basic that nobody should have any problems with uh choosing a channel", "Marketing : Yeah . That is true .", "Project Manager : or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . It's just uh u using uh your thumb .", "Project Manager : Y yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : So um it's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I think we could just uh leave it a normal shape .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh but maybe we have to make it a l a bit more fancy . In one or ano another way .", "User Interface : Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think we should start by by choosing a case . Because that's the basis you're building on .", "User Interface : Yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um yeah", "Industrial Designer : So I could draw them out .", "Project Manager : just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Let's look at the flat case . Oh . It's from the side so it's rather normal .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : The the single curved so I'm not really sure what they're gonna look like , but I think it's something like this . So this type should be better for you or better {disfmarker} Should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit .", "Project Manager : Easier ?", "Industrial Designer : And the double curved s looks something like this I guess .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : So th those are the three options we have .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : I suggest um the single curved , because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : Uh so that elderly people can uh use the remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen , because it's a bit , it has a bit of a angle .", "User Interface : So um {disfmarker} Do you say this um {disfmarker} S uh {disfmarker} Uh you got like uh sort of a {disfmarker} I believe {disfmarker} {gap} There ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So um you want to put a display over here ? Or not ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . I think so . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . Uh", "Project Manager : But now it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : we can make it um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Do you have it upside down or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm ?", "Project Manager : Do you have it", "User Interface : That's the top .", "Project Manager : this that's top ? Okay .", "User Interface : So uh this top . This down . Um maybe it's possible to uh make this side like um {disfmarker} Let's see . Um {disfmarker} Colour uh okay . Uh to make this side um like mm the right colour .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Um bit like so uh um in the form of your hand . So um {disfmarker} Uh it's an {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So so the remote control have to um lay in your hand . So uh it's possib um yeah for s so and", "Project Manager : So get your mouse . Yeah .", "User Interface : And to put uh the the buttons for um changing uh the channel uh over here uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's a good one . But I think it's better to put the screen uh on top .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Uh rem", "Project Manager : So just flip it a hundred and eighty degrees around then you get {disfmarker} {gap} here .", "User Interface : Yeah but this place um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : If you can have this one , you turn it like this . And then flip it upside down .", "User Interface : Uh it's {disfmarker} Yeah I dunno um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Because uh maybe your hand is in the way , if you have the display here .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : It's more logical to have it on top as well", "Project Manager : I think i", "Industrial Designer : because , like on your mobile phone , it's always above .", "User Interface : Yeah so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : On top .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh maybe you should just s start on a blank page .", "Project Manager : {gap} . So", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : then we get {disfmarker} Here's {disfmarker} That's the curve .", "User Interface : Five minutes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Here the display , and then buttons . Yeah and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe . Just that's for left hand and right hand users .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And then h the rest of the buttons over here .", "User Interface : Yeah . But um the on-off button , um still on the top uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah still here", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : jus", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : That's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And I'd prefer the corners to be round .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Should be more bit more friendly ,", "Marketing : Think that would be better .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : Friendly on the eye ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 59, "turns": [ 234, 331 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they could do a product evaluation, because the product evaluation was needed to start the real production. Industrial Designer proposed to do some market tests, and User Interface agreed with it, but also asked what about the redesign with the users' observations.", "title": "Product Evaluation and Market Test", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 8 ], [ 13, 14 ], [ 16, 20 ], 23, [ 32, 33 ], 35 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer started by saying that once they had the prototypes, they should do some market tests, then said that if they were going to develop prototypes, it could take a minimum of two weeks. Project Manager mentioned that they could give it a product evaluation because they weren't going to do it in their factory, so then the real production would start once the product evaluation was ready. User Interface wondered if they were going to do the product evaluation and, how much time they had for doing redesign with the users' observations.", "title": "Discussion About Product Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 8 ], [ 13, 14 ], [ 16, 20 ], 23, [ 32, 33 ], 35 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "strategy , product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group formed by Industrial Designer, Project Manager and User Interface discussed what would be the strategy to launch the product for sale, Industrial Designer asked what would be the best season to sell TV remote controls, to which Project Manager mentioned that was the sports season, then, the agreed strategy was to synchronize the launch of the product evaluation with some special sports event.", "title": "Product Evaluation and the Sports Strategy", "relevant_turns": [ 60, [ 62, 66 ], [ 69, 71 ], 73, [ 77, 80 ], [ 83, 85 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "strategy , product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team agreed the best strategy for the product evaluation was to synchronize the launch with some sports events.", "title": "Strategy for the Launch of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ 60, [ 62, 66 ], [ 69, 71 ], 73, [ 77, 80 ], [ 83, 85 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "customer", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager and User Interface agreed that every customer had their ideas and test, so they would have unlimited customer feedback.", "title": "Customer Feedback", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "customer", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager and User Interface discussed what would be the limit of customer feedback to take into account for the product redesign, and mentioned that, since each customer had their own ideas, and had their own test, there was no limit.", "title": "Discussion About Customers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 47 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : What turnaround time do we have ?", "Project Manager : T", "User Interface : 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long .", "Project Manager : Oh but {disfmarker} Yes it's it's very quick , of course . It will uh come back in two weeks , okay , it will be ready in two weeks .", "Industrial Designer : Works for me .", "Project Manager : For evaluation , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Prototypes , you mean .", "Project Manager : Yes , the prototype uh {disfmarker} prototype product evaluation .", "Industrial Designer : In um {disfmarker} We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders and things like that and test-market it .", "Project Manager : Yes . Yes . Yes .", "Marketing : Well , obviously .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people to get an idea ,", "Project Manager : So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks .", "Marketing : to see {disfmarker} get get their {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Think minimum two weeks if we're gonna develop prototypes and then try to take them to different places and see how people use {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : it's not a trivial task .", "Project Manager : Yeah , because we we are not going to do it in uh our factory , okay , so we can give it a product evalua", "User Interface : No no . We definitely shouldn't do it in our factory . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes , yes .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So we'll do it in the other place , and I don't think it's take more than four weeks time . Or uh {disfmarker} Okay , so then the real production we will start once we product evaluation , okay , then uh it's approve from uh the technical team and uh your team , okay , uh from the management , then we can launch in the market . Hm ?", "Industrial Designer : Any outstanding {disfmarker} {vocalsound} ?", "Project Manager : S Any any other uh questions or uh comments to be discuss ?", "Industrial Designer : No , I'm", "User Interface : What ab", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} go ahead .", "Marketing : I think we pretty much covered everything .", "Project Manager : Okay , so then uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Did you have something ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well I was just wondering about if we're gonna do a product evaluation then what about time for redesign if the users come back and tell us no this is bad , this is bad , we want this done differently .", "Project Manager : Okay uh , let's take like this . Let's proceed with this model , okay , for the for the marketing direction , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So no more changes will be made , okay , in this {disfmarker} the basic design . Okay ? So we will introduce m this model and uh let's introduce in the market and let's take the feedback from the customers , then we can uh go for the", "Industrial Designer : Second generation .", "Project Manager : second generation .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . There's no end , there's not limit .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : The problem is there might not be a second generation if the first generation flops for some silly reason that we haven't thought of .", "Project Manager : Every every custom", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , then it may not be .", "Project Manager : Okay . Well , every customer , okay , they have their own ideas , they have their own test , okay , so there's no end , there's no limit .", "Marketing : Like people don't like wood . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No , but there's a difference between releasing a product that has been minimally tested and fine-tuned to suit a general range of requirements versus releasing a product that we think will work but we don't really have anything to back it up .", "Marketing : {gap} very specific .", "Project Manager : Yeah , so that's the reason you are here for uh the design , okay , I hope you made a good design .", "User Interface : Yes , but I'm not everybody .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I mean the whole point of user evaluation is to see what real people need . We have our own motivations in mind , we have our own ideas in mind , but that doesn't mean that that's what's gonna sell .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , but uh see , we ought to take a few considerations , okay , one is the price consideration , one is future consideration , okay , like uh you can eat uh {disfmarker} you can all eat more chi I can eat more chilli , okay , so i it's a depends on the individual taste , you know ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so we have we have to balance somewhere .", "User Interface : Yeah , of course . I'm just trying to point out that I think that your evaluation and redesign turnaround time is too short {disfmarker} well you have no redesign {disfmarker} not you personally , but in the project we have no redesign time and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Our project doesn't {disfmarker} um", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Ed , d do you know what season of the year or time of the year is the most important for T_V_ remote control sales ?", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Would it be the Christmas season by any chance ?", "Project Manager : The sports time .", "Industrial Designer : Sports season . Which sport season ?", "Marketing : Right before the Eur {vocalsound} the World Cup . {vocalsound} World soccer . World Cup soccer ,", "Project Manager : Football .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} so", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : they need those things that they have their hands g occupied and they need to be able to talk to the con remote control .", "Project Manager : Football .", "Industrial Designer : maybe what {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So I think what we need to do is perhaps to synchronise the final {disfmarker} the the launch of a user-tested device with some {gap} special event .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes . Yes .", "Industrial Designer : And and then um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , that's a good idea .", "Industrial Designer : so that gives us a little more time perhaps then we anticipated , because I don't know when the World Cup is , but I'm sure there's gonna be one .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Or any major sports .", "Industrial Designer : Or another {gap} m major sports event . Probably not the um the football games coming up the end of January . I think that might be a little too aggressive um ,", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but , so , I'm just ig uh pointing out a uh a strategy to uh do some additional user testing", "Project Manager : Research .", "Industrial Designer : pri and then to launch um at a a major sports event", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : or uh perhaps to uh also {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} That's actually good place to advertise it too .", "Industrial Designer : And to work with motion pictures .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} There might be some motion pictures that are coming out um {disfmarker} that are coming out on D_V_D_ that uh they need to have a m special remote control to work with it , so we could maybe work out a campaign with uh with Sony Pictures for example .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe some management has got uh relationships there we can leverage .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yes , the {disfmarker} that of course uh I will convince the management to do that , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's great . {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 236, 433 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user interface controls , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer introduced there were push-buttons and scroll-wheels on remote as user interface controls. He mentioned double scroll-buttons while user Interface argued they have to place all the buttons in a range of thumb.", "title": "Industrial Designer Introduce User Interface Controls on Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], 51 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user interface controls , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; the user interface controls, we have the push-buttons and scroll-wheels. We also have double scroll-buttons. User Interface; we have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb.", "title": "User Interface Controls on Remote and User Interface's Button Placing Advice", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ], 51 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll-wheels , interface controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface didn't think there was possibility for them to use scroll-wheels. Industrial Designer suggested scroll-wheels could be used when you integrate some functions. Project Manager suggested it could be a channel selector. Marketing thought it would attract young customers.", "title": "Team's Opinion on Scroll-wheel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 7 ], [ 9, 15 ], [ 36, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll-wheels , interface controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface don't think there's any possibility for us to use scroll-wheels. Industrial Designer, me neither. Maybe when you integrate some functions. Project Manager with maybe a channel selector. User Interface, that's a possibility.", "title": "Team's Discussion on Scroll-wheels", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "LCD displays ; interface controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial said because it's all curved, there was no way to integrate LCD. Also, if they want to use LCD, they need the advanced version of chip which was a bit more costly. He doesn't think LCD as value added thing. Project Manager added the market likes new flashy technology such as LCD, but he doesn't know whether have enough space in finance.", "title": "Reasons to Abandon LCD", "relevant_turns": [ 56, 74, [ 168, 171 ], 175, [ 177, 183 ], [ 187, 192 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "LCD displays ; interface controls", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said LCD has no way to be integrated. If use the LCD, they really need the advanced version chip and is more costly. Project Manager thought market love flashy technology and they already had too much.", "title": "Reasons to Abandon LCD", "relevant_turns": [ 56, 74, [ 168, 171 ], 175, [ 177, 183 ], [ 187, 192 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "chips", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer introduced three types of chips incorporate all the Logica. They had simple, regular and advanced chip. He then introduced that the sample sensor requires an regular chip and if they want to use LCD display, they would in need of advanced version, which can be more costly. He suggested using the sample sensor and speaker with a regular chip. User Interface agreed.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Advice on Chip", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 74, [ 162, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "chips", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; We basically have three types of chips. We have a simple regular and advanced chip. If we don't want to use more advanced functions, simple chip is enough.", "title": "The Chip Industrial Designer Chooses", "relevant_turns": [ 58, 74, [ 162, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "infrared issue", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned the infrared issue. User Interface argued most infrared remote don't have to be pointed. Industrial Designer explained infrared issue is affected by the kind of wall. because walls reflect the infrared light.", "title": "Infrared Issue with the Device", "relevant_turns": [ [ 146, 160 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "infrared issue", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned infrared issue. User Interface argued most infrared remote controls don't have to be pointed. Industrial Designer explained because the walls reflect the infrared light.", "title": "The Infrared Issue of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 146, 160 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : And we of course have the traditional uh solar power , which is just uh uh uh uh uh a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity . {vocalsound} The user interface controls , um of course we have the push-buttons and uh we also have scroll-wheels . And these scroll-wheels can also be integrated with buttons . So it's just like a mouse . You can scroll 'em , you can also push it . Um {vocalsound} uh in the indicators we have the L_C_D_ displays , which means uh you can watch uh in a display w which channel you have chosen or something like that of the li amount of volume which is uh currently {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : uh and we also have double scroll-buttons , which are just two of these things . So we don't really have the the kind of button we had in mind in our uh uh in our last meeting , the the thing with the the round with the four {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Oh , we can just make four push-buttons in a form of a round .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yes . That is possible too . Yes .", "User Interface : {gap} {disfmarker} But I th I don't think uh the scroll-wheels {disfmarker} I had some {disfmarker} I had some information about it too .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : I don't think {vocalsound} there's any possibility for us to use scroll-wheels .", "Project Manager : Well {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I d I can't see uh any uh scenario where you would use a scroll-wheel with a button on it .", "Industrial Designer : Well , mayb uh well , m me neither . Maybe when you integrate some functions .", "Project Manager : This will be the remote , right ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um with uh maybe a channel selector . What about integrating a scroll-bar on this side ?", "User Interface : Yeah , uh that's a possibility ,", "Industrial Designer : Uh it's do it's done before .", "Project Manager : Because this is how you keep it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes . It's quite quite good , yes .", "User Interface : But Flores , think about a scenario where y where you would use the scroll-button for {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Volume ?", "Industrial Designer : Well , it's it {disfmarker} well , i what he means is there's an {disfmarker} button integrated in the scroll-wheel .", "User Interface : A volume , okay .", "Industrial Designer : There's no scenario where you use uh the button in the scroll-wheel . You just use the wheel .", "Project Manager : Well , what about mute ?", "Industrial Designer : About mute .", "Project Manager : Thi i i m I guess uh th", "Industrial Designer : Well , yes .", "Project Manager : this is my volume button . And I can either on this side or this side um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yes . Well , okay . Well , that that that's one possibility , okay .", "Project Manager : And click it to muten the device .", "Industrial Designer : Well , okay . It's quite goods .", "Project Manager : And and it makes it different from the traditional uh devices on this market . So I'm looking for a way to uh make it a little different than the traditional ones .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Yes .", "Project Manager : So maybe um {disfmarker} I guess that {disfmarker} that's something you two uh need to think about .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh Ruud , wha what do you thing about uh a scroll-bar ? Uh scroll-wheel .", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh well ,", "User Interface : Wheel .", "Marketing : it's obvious obviously new . So it might attract uh the young customers .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . {vocalsound} But it's done before , uh there are many other devices um like uh telephones and our uh radio , pocket radios . We use this .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker} Well , it's it's been done years ago and I don't see it anywhere now .", "Project Manager : Well , all the Sony telephones use it , for example , for volume .", "Industrial Designer : So maybe it's not no {gap} .", "Project Manager : Nokia has a {disfmarker} well , okay , it's not really a scroll-wheel , but on their side th the the volume button is on the side , because you gri grab it like this .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . Yes , but it uses two separate buttons .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I know , it's not really a scroll-wheel . No . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It doesn't use a {disfmarker} {gap} . Well . Uh something for uh Roo here . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : For you too , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , I believe uh if you have uh what we've earlier said , um the grip uh places in in the remote control . You have your hand on one place on the remote control , so you have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb .", "Industrial Designer : Wi within reach . Yes , you have to .", "User Interface : So in that case uh the volume button on the side uh of the remote control would be perfect .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . {gap} yes . Yeah , yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay . Sebastian . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , um we have to know , if you want to use uh these rubber double-curved c uh case , um you must use these push uh push-buttons . There's no way you can integrate L_C_D_ displays . There's no way you can integrate scroll-wheels , because it's all curved .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : There's {disfmarker} there are no uh flat areas where you can incorporate these things . So that's a limitation . {vocalsound} About um the components , uh just the hardware . We basically have uh three types of chips we can use and uh these chips incorporate all the Logica and um um uh hardware that is needed to send uh to send a signal . Uh we have a simple , regular and advanced chip . And there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker , which is a little cryptic uh to me . But I think that's the the voice recognition thing that we are uh thinking about .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah yeah , you can um {disfmarker} I have some information about it . Uh in the voice recognition you say a word {disfmarker} you can programme words like uh v uh volume up . Of mute , let's say mute .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Okay . Okay . So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Um you programme it , you m mute and you g you give um an uh an action to it that that's really the mute function", "Industrial Designer : okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "User Interface : and uh when you speak in the the remote control , it repeats uh your saying . that's the sample sensor . So So if you say mute , it says mute again ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : and then it's um {disfmarker} well , I believe it's uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : It performs the action . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , and then uh he he repeats its action what {disfmarker} which he believes it is .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So you say mute , he repeats mute and you {disfmarker} makes a computer sound mute , and then goes to the mute function .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay . Okay , so that's basically the the voice recognition item we were searching for . Okay . This sample sensor uh requires an regular chip , I thought . Um no op I'm not very sure . No , it's not in here . If we want to use the L_C_D_ display , we really need the advanced version , which is a bit l little bit more costly . If we want to use the scroll-wheels we need the regular version . And if we don't want to use uh any of these uh more advanced functions we can keep with the simple uh chip , which is a bit cheaper .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh well {disfmarker} uh", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : d did we already decide on the display ? To {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Um no , but I think that's something for uh Roo here to think about .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well , I don't have um {disfmarker} I haven't looked for uh for information about it , but I don't think information {disfmarker} uh y I don't think you need it on a display .", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : Especially when when we have to look at a cost , I don't think uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I I don't think either .", "User Interface : 'cause uh {gap} uh all {disfmarker} any T_V_ can uh can uh view a digit on uh on screen ,", "Industrial Designer : No . I don't think you need it .", "Project Manager : On screen display . Yeah .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Okay , well", "Project Manager : th", "Project Manager : Okay , what about um {vocalsound} the issue I um addressed at the beginning of the meeting ? Um the voice function w with the infrared uh issue . Because it it's of cour", "Industrial Designer : Yes . It's it's {disfmarker} uh I uh I can imagine it's very dull to talk to a device w if you have to point to another device .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's very unlogical .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But most infrared uh remote controls don't have to be pointed at all .", "Project Manager : Well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well the there has to be some pointing at . But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It depends also on your on your {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , if you if you take your hand before it , okay , it won't work , but you can point it just {vocalsound} to the other wall .", "Project Manager : Well , it depends on your walls actually . If you have uh have um smooth walls , it it it probably {disfmarker} you're probably right .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But if you have carpets on the wall , which our natural loving friends probably do have , then um {disfmarker} yeah , th th it might be a bit more of a issue .", "Industrial Designer : All lights get absorbed , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , because the walls they they reflect the infrared light .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So {vocalsound} it has an {disfmarker} it's easier . Um I suggest we use the the sensor sample . Uh the sample sensor and sample speaker . Um with a with a regular chip .", "User Interface : And the regular chip .", "Industrial Designer : I think uh it gives us the advantage of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : And and the scroll uh scroll-wheels . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes , yes .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I like the scroll wheels uh idea .", "Industrial Designer : And uh skip {disfmarker} and skip the L_C_D_ part .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think it it's any uh value added thing .", "User Interface : No . Think so too .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , it looks {disfmarker} uh yeah , well um", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : according to Ruud , the the the market likes um new flashy technology ,", "Industrial Designer : Technology .", "Project Manager : and I mean L_C_D_ is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes . It's not very flashy and new .", "Project Manager : well , ok I know , but it's m it's less um s standard", "Marketing : Standard ?", "Project Manager : than than {disfmarker} Well , we are not very w we do not know uh much about the the f the financial part . That's the problem .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Because if we do have enough um space in in our finance , I would say do integrate it ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : because it it adds a little ext extra high-tech feeling to it .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "User Interface : But we already have the scroll-wheels , the sp uh the speaker uh the speak recognition , the rubber , the fancy colours .", "Project Manager : Mm yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh I think our customers will go insane .", "Project Manager : Okay , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's it's too much .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay , I I agree . I think i Ruud , do you have any um anything you would like to um add or or maybe thoughts or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Nah , um n no , I don't think so . M", "Project Manager : No ? Sebast uh nee , Roo ? {gap} Roo , do you have any other {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Um no . Nothing more .", "Project Manager : Nothing more . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 47, "turns": [ 356, 439 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "easy-to-learn , design , remote controls , technical design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface responded to the suggestion to design a remote control to be configured the way the user wants it by saying, with an LCD screen the users could configure it to their taste, even though it may be hard to configure and would be something for an expert user. However, young people would be able to use it. Also making something simple and easy to use would not stand out in the market.", "title": "Avoiding Uniformity with Everything Else", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 42 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "easy-to-learn , design , remote controls , technical design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface thought to stand out in the market, they needed to design a remote control that would be different and could be configured the way the user wanted it although configuring it might be difficult.", "title": "Avoiding Uniformity with Everything Else", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 42 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "main frustrations , design , remote controls , technical design", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said most people found remote controls complex because they had too many buttons on them with only a few used ones, suggesting that their design should have mainly the frequently used buttons. Also, in cases of loss, people usually find it difficult to locate them.", "title": "Drawbacks for the Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "main frustrations , design , remote controls , technical design", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said most people find remote controls too complex because they had too many buttons and they mainly used only channels and volume buttons and suggested that they make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons maybe also some lightning stuff too because most people find also hard to to find the remote control.", "title": "Drawbacks for the Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , button", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager emphasized that if the target was to make the remote control very simple, it was necessary to reduce the number of buttons on it, defining clearly the use of every button, in comparison to the competition. Also that the remote control should be for TV only so that they could be quick on the market.", "title": "Main Points to Note", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control , button", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager; only ten percent of the button are used often so I think we have to do something very simple and I think we all agree on that point.", "title": "Main Points to Note", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 83 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Maybe we can uh we can look at the new requirement I receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Um I just had a question uh do you want to continue with your presenta ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah I I will continue .", "Industrial Designer : Is it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well ask your question if you want .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um you say that I don't remember by heart but thirty per cent", "Marketing : Mm ?", "Industrial Designer : of the tested people say that's it's quite difficult to to to use the remote control .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason ? To to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that .", "Marketing : Would j Uh {vocalsound} yeah w I I think they they say that it's uh difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it , it's it's okay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay . It's not intuitive first .", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want ? You say that I want , I have six button {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mh-hmm . A a lot of people are uh {disfmarker} if you have the L_C_D_ screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . But , but also it seems that {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : but it will be hard to configure I mean imagine i uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : so it's really something for the expert user . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : I mean there are markets and markets . I think the young people are th uh are uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Christine here said uh you have a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} uh it is yeah . {vocalsound} So for our young people uh it will be cool , they can be able to use it . Th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it . I guess . I don't know if there is study about that .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple {vocalsound} than creating a simple product .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : And there are {disfmarker} another thing is that if we make something that's simple and easy to use that's bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : All right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Otherwise , if it's different then of course everybody has {disfmarker} somebody has to learn to use it first .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But also we we see that that most people find it {disfmarker} find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : So we may just uh make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and maybe also um some lightning stuff too because most people find also hard to to find the remote control . Losed lose it etcetera .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : These {disfmarker} these are {disfmarker} these two points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to uh find when lost it will uh add uh a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So but le let us see first the new requirement . So we don't have to {disfmarker} so this this uh is uh is um in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we don't have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But teletext is just one button .", "Project Manager : Yeah but then you have to {disfmarker} you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff .", "User Interface : You you just write the {disfmarker} write the numbers .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So well {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So will you add with the channel keys , right ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . So anyway we don't have to include this feature because it's it's not used any more by users ,", "User Interface : So . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : they prefer to s", "User Interface : I am . I'm sure that uh it don't like but uh I don't see just one button .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I dunno .", "User Interface : So .", "Project Manager : If i one button is still one more button . If {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Well anyway I have this point . We can discuss . Also um {disfmarker} so as as I told before uh it would be better if it's only for the T_V_ um because we want to be quick on on the market . And then also we have to make very uh uh clear that this uh this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate uh logo and and colours on the {disfmarker} on the design as well so that uh they identify it as one of our product . So this is the the key point .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So before uh finishing we can uh define uh what would be the characteristic of the {disfmarker} o th of the control {disfmarker} of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera .", "User Interface : Capital .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So do you um so so from from the the Marketing Expert I think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect , it should be very simple and most button are never used", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : only ten per cent of the button are are used often so I think we have to do something very simple and I think we all agree on that point , no ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Well if it is going to be just a T_V_ remote control it is going to be very simple .", "Marketing : Mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 31, "turns": [ 69, 131 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Um {vocalsound} we could also use wood , or titanium .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker} yeah mm .", "Project Manager : Works well in Arizona but in Edinburgh not so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Always the {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Y probably not yeah .", "Industrial Designer : exactly .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um the kinetic energy thing um might work , um but the same problem . You leave it lying around and you first have to shake it before it it starts to work .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So I'd say what we're stuck with really is um the basic battery . Which also makes a base station basically obsolete . We don't need that then . Um {disfmarker} However our interface options are push-buttons . In which uh in the production of which or in manufacture of which um our company is expert . Um {disfmarker} However we've discussed that scroll wheels are a better option . And they are possible . We have an okay for scroll wheels . Okay . Um however {vocalsound} when it comes to the scroll wheel of the iPod I've one big objection and that is that we have to fit an L_C_D_ into the remote control as well . This however may exclude certain um materials . If you have a squishy uh kind of remote control , then an L_C_D_ screen may be affected by the movement . Hence we might not be able to put it in there . So um {disfmarker} There's also restrictions {vocalsound} to , when it comes to the chip . If we have a more sophistic uh sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic uh set-up that we that I've just presented , um the chip has to be more s more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well . I don't have any details to , when it comes to the cost but um it will be a significant difference . I'd rather say drop the titanium and therefore let's have a more sophisticated chip , but that's not up to me to decide really . {vocalsound} So that's for the for the scroll wheel . Um it limits our choice and squishy is hip , so I'd say rather not go for for that . Let's see now . Um um solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex um surface or um remote control . But obviously that's not our problem um since we have decided or against solar cells , I assume right ? Or is anybody still {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No I think I think batteries are probably the way to go .", "Industrial Designer : alright .", "Marketing : No . Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Alright .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional I assume . Um {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} With the titanium um we cannot make it a curved design . We would just be able to make it flat and and um yeah a straight design pretty much . Which I assume would exclude uh some of the more sophisticated versions . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Would the sort of {vocalsound} spongy and the the plasticky thing {disfmarker} y you can get those mobile phones that initially have a {disfmarker} it is plastic but then they have sort of a a s a cover on it which is just sort of soft and stuff .", "Marketing : Mm . Like a covering . Yeah .", "User Interface : So I don't know if that would still be possible to have you know {gap} in plastic . But then where do people hold it ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Just all be sort of spongy .", "Marketing : The we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts , so they can remove it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So you {vocalsound} as the the possibility of having a a graphical display on it , like a screen ? Like the iPod ?", "Industrial Designer : You can have an L_C_D_ screen . Um but therefore no rubber will be used .", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : Alright ? So plastic yes , titanium yes , but this will of course influence the form . With plastic , as I understand it , you can use any form . Um latex is tricky . Or rubber and um and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form . So the way to go is if you want a scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular , uh add an L_C_D_ screen , and um then you can basically choose either plastic or titanium . Or wood even .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um if you wanna make it a particular shape , use plastic . Add an L_C_D_ screen , add a scroll wheel , that'll be fine .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Or make it just push-buttons . Basically plastic gives you the b biggest variety of of options . Maybe not the nicest feel . Or not much originality really .", "Project Manager : So the ru wait the rubbery {disfmarker} we can shape it however we want ? Or the rubbery we cannot ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} With rubber we could uh sh pretty much shape it the way we wanted it ,", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : but we cannot add scroll wheels , and we cannot add an L_C_D_ screen .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Mm . {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 63, "turns": [ 0, 88 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting , responsible , participants", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface was responsible for the designed remote control, Marketing figured how they sold them, Industrial Designer was responsible for the technical-functional designs, and specifications of user interface. Project Manager was responsible for the project.", "title": "Discussion About Participants' Responsibility", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 8, 10 ], 12, [ 16, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting , responsible , participants", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface; main responsibility; user interface; Marketing; how to sell them; Industrial Designer; responsibilities; technical-functional designs.", "title": "Discussion About Participants' Responsibilities", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 8, 10 ], 12, [ 16, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scope , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they were supposed to archive things in conceptual design and detailed design, they did meetings. Marketing said it was three types of design, functional, conceptual, and detailed. Then, Project Manager said that there was tool training with the white board, and they drew their favorite animal.", "title": "Scope of the Project Explanation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scope , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that there was individual work, then at the meeting they discussed, same for conceptual design and detailed design. Marketing said it was three types of design that they were going to be concerned, functional, conceptual, and detailed.", "title": "Scope of the Project Explanation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 38 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Everybody ready ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh I think the first thing we do is introduce ourselves", "Marketing : I think so .", "Project Manager : and everybody's name and what your function is ?", "Marketing : Yeah , that's a good plan .", "Project Manager : So maybe we start with you ?", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah , my name is Francina . And I'm uh an user interface {disfmarker} my role is uh {disfmarker} the main responsibility is user interface .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And my role is to design uh a television remote control .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Okay .", "Marketing : And I'm a marketing person . I wanna figure out how to sell them .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . And your name is ?", "Marketing : My name is Eileen .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui . Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um deal with the {vocalsound} technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design .", "Project Manager : Very good . And as you already know I am Betty . I am the project manager for today . So why don't we look at the presentation {vocalsound} to see what we really are supposed to do . {vocalsound} Um .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes y opening , acquaintance , tool training {disfmarker} well , the tools are , I think , we already {disfmarker} I guess the tool is really our {disfmarker} the computer , as far as I can see .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Uh we get ins each of us will get instructions and we'll take it from there . Project plan , that falls under the same heading pretty much . Um , I don't think we have any great discussion at this point .", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : Um . Here is what this thing should be . This thing we are gonna um uh design is a new remote control . Uh should be original {vocalsound} , trendy , and , of course , user friendly .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So maybe you wanna make some notes of that .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : All right . {vocalsound} Here is what the functional design is supposed to achieve . Um . That is it's gonna be individual work and then at the meeting we'll discuss what uh we have come up with . The same goes for the conceptual design , there will be individual work whic and then discussion afterwards . Detailed design , same thing basically .", "Marketing : Mm 'kay so {disfmarker} Three different types of design that we're gonna be concerned with okay .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Functional , conception and detailed .", "Project Manager : I can't write with this thing . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Maybe we should redesign it . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : After we've finished the remote control we'll get to that .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , okay . All right ? Then , tool training try out the white board , participant can draw their favourite animal . Does anybody want to go and see how the white board works ? So that in case we have to , in the next meeting , present something on the white board . You wanna go Eileen and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay , I'll see what I can do .", "Project Manager : Whether you {disfmarker} without hanging yourself . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : See if I r See if I remember how to draw a kitty cat or a rabbit or something . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And remember you have to press so it works .", "Marketing : So that it will record okay .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um uh um traditional kitty cat .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Fat , a fat cat . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I've a very fat cat .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And it likes to sit like that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : And you're Francine , right ? Would you like s like just to see um how it feels , so that you have a little idea ?", "User Interface : Yes , I'm Francina . Yes , sure . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : In {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Am I supposed to wipe off that or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No , no . No , that's okay .", "User Interface : No , Okay .", "Marketing : okay .", "Project Manager : I don't know , we'll get to that later .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : What should I draw ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Snake .", "User Interface : I'm going to draw a snake . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : How does it look like ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : I hope the kitty cat is hungry 'cause I don't like snakes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Here's the project finance uh which , of course , we all have to think about when we design this thing . Um selling price is supposed to be twenty five Euro . Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : the market range unlimited meaning international", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : and the production cost should not exceed {disfmarker} hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro .", "Marketing : Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Profit . Um is fifty mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 7, "turns": [ 199, 381 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product apperance", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The meeting participants were discussing the product's apperance. They came to the conclusion that the remote control, the studied product, should look fashionable in order to sell well. They expressed that an average remote control was considered as ugly among most of users and it would be better for the sell numbers to make the remote control less ugly. It would be good for company's profit because more remote controls would be sold. Hence the apperance of the remote control was discussed among the meeting participants and a doubt about the way of making the product looks fancy instead of funny was expressed by the User Interface. The conclusion in the end of the meeting was that the remote control might also be available in few colors to choose from instead of in grey only (for instance yellow) and could have the society's image incorporated in.", "title": "The Remote Control Apperance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 7 ], 64, [ 77, 79 ], [ 163, 182 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product apperance", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The meeting participants discussed the remote control apperance. They agreed it should look fancy, but clearly not funny in order to sell well. It was underlined that as most users consider remote controls ugly, it was prioritary to make the product look more appealing what might make for better sells and the price going slightly up. The remote control could be available in few colors instead of having one in grey only and should have the society's image: yellow ribbon and double R on it.", "title": "The Remore Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ 54, [ 61, 64 ], 172 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product appearence", "speaker": "interface designer , industrial designer" }, "summary": "The interface designer and industrial designer were both wondering about customer's perception of fancy and were trying to establish what it meant regarding to the product. They were discussing the remote control possible colors, thinking of possible color personalisation of the remote control", "title": "The Remote Control Apperaence", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 61 ], 70, [ 77, 79 ], [ 163, 172 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product appearence", "speaker": "interface designer , industrial designer" }, "summary": "Interface Designer and Industrial Designer were pondering about remote control's appearence and trying to find a way to make it look as appealing as possible. They were considering possible colors for remote control, a possibility to make a remote control's color personalised for its user because in their opinion it would work better for the product. they noticed most of remote controls on the market were only available in grey. Both designers were trying to focus on finding out ways to make the remote look more appealing. The importance for them was that the remote control looked fancy and not funny to the customers. It had to be fashion. They were not convinced about the yellow as a good option for the remote control but agreed about a yellow ribbon on the product as a company logo.", "title": "Appearence of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 64 ], [ 72, 77 ], 165, 172 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product appearance", "speaker": "project manager" }, "summary": "The project manager was debating with other participants of the meeting the price of production of the remote control in case the product was personalised. The project manager expressed concern about the product cost and its production. The project manager made it clear that the price of a personalised remote control would go up and it was not something the company would want according to the project manager. The project manager also stressed that the remote control's price of production could not be too high because it would affect the production process itself and also the final price of the remote control it would be available at for the users. The product functions, and its fanciness also were mentioned. It was important to find a way to make the remote control fashion. The product manager opted for yellow as a color for the remote control and suggested that the image of the society should be recognized.", "title": "The Project Manager's Remote Control Vision", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 71 ], [ 84, 87 ], [ 164, 169 ], 178 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product appearance", "speaker": "project manager" }, "summary": "The project manager was discussing with other meeting participants the cost of production of the remote control in case the product was available as a personalised item. The project manager expressed concern about the product cost and its production then saying that the price would go up and it might be concerning for the production process. The project manager underlined that the final price of the remote control produced by the company couldn't be too high because, as he said, the company wanted to be able to produce it. The project manager said the company should opt for something fancy and very easy to use. The product functions, affordable price, easiness in use and its apperence were also mentioned. The product manager opted for yellow as a color for the remote control and suggested that the image of the society should be recognised.", "title": "The Remote Control Apperance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 71 ], [ 80, 84 ], [ 164, 169 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Sorry for the functional recurrence . So that's the standard method for marketing , okay . We had one hundred subjects , um , we observe their remote control use in a lab and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire , um , and see what was okay or not for them .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Okay . So then it's some statistics about what we observed and what they answered . Um actually seventy five percent of the users find m the most remote controls uh ugly , okay , so that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You mean the loo the look , the outside ?", "Industrial Designer : The look , how it look like .", "Marketing : Yeah , the the look is is bad for them", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : so uh it's your job , David , maybe . Then eighty percent of users would spend more money um actually if if the remote controls were not so ugly . So this is where we could have uh yeah , good market , I guess , if people are ready to pay more .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : But what I'm not so sure is about how to make the remote control look funny {disfmarker} look fancy , not funny .", "Industrial Designer : Look fancy .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : This is a question that should be asked to the {disfmarker} If you ask the people , maybe the the marketing people {gap} .", "User Interface : Because different people have a different opinion about fancy . You know .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , this is something we sh", "User Interface : Because maybe a colourful is fancy for some people , but maybe simple and uh uniform colourful is fancy for some {disfmarker} for other peoples , so .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : But this was first step and {disfmarker} This was the first step , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think the solution is to have many colours of {disfmarker} you know instead of having one grey standard {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but I think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control .", "Marketing : Specially distribution , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , maybe . Yeah , maybe .", "Project Manager : If you need to have special colours for remote controls it will cost more .", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , personalised colour . Because you know {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , it will cost little bit more .", "User Interface : Yeah , because maybe some people prefer a red remote control ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : some people prefer black remote control .", "Marketing : Yeah , but this is what we would ask to the users , so .", "Project Manager : And also f", "User Interface : Maybe we can have di di we can have uh several options ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : so user can select which colour they prefer , so .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but as soon as you speak about options , it means that the price increases ,", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : remember it's twelve Euros .", "Project Manager : and we don't really want the price to be too too high , because we wanna be able to produce it . So , we want something fancy , as uh previously said , Florent , something very easy to use , powerful and also as uh it's written here , seventy five percent of users , they zap lot , so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : And they don't really want to zap between functions of their remote control , they want to zap between channels on T_V_ .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker} I think you have quite lot of points to to think about", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and to discuss it with uh the other members .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So , is it okay for your presentation ? Nothing else to to add ?", "Marketing : Yeah , it's done , just {disfmarker} yeah . If we would {disfmarker} if we could remember like , not too many buttons and make it look fancy , I think it would make it .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Okay . Mm so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So .", "User Interface : So I I so {disfmarker} As as for the colour , what what do you think ?", "Project Manager : I think it has to be yellow .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yellow ? Do you think that people like the colour yellow ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yellow ? {gap} T_V_ remote control ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Min", "Project Manager : Maybe you can change the colour , but the image of the society has to be recognised .", "User Interface : Okay . Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think if you have you know th like a yellow ribbon here is the double R_ . Or should be .", "Project Manager : Why you go {disfmarker} It has to be fashion .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , so . Doesn't need to be completely yellow ,", "Project Manager : So you have to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : but just mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . It has to be a fashion and really be uh the image of the society . Just when you enter you say oh , oh , it's real reaction . Think it's a re reaction remote control , so .", "User Interface : Okay , okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : And also it has to be attractive , of course ,", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : because if you want to sale {disfmarker} to sell the remote control . It's okay ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 5, "turns": [ 0, 194 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "equipment", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Postdoc F wanted to add to the meeting's agenda, a question regarding some issues detected in some audio monitoring equipment. Postdoc F identified some equipment that showed some pikes in the audio. PhD A, PhD B and Grad C started brainstorming on possible causes. Professor E and PhD B, proposed solutions to the problem.", "title": "Causes and Solutions for Equipment Issues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "equipment", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Postdoc F wanted to add to the meeting's agenda, a question regarding some particular spikes detected in audio monitoring. PhD A mentioned touching the microphone as a cause. Grad C mentioned it could be touching and fiddling or an issue with the connector. PhD B suggested testing for spikes, wiggling the connector, and asked to be called by the people transcribing to identify if the connector was the problem. Professor E mentioned that if it were a professional audio recording, the equipment could not be used.", "title": "Causes and Solutions for Equipment Issues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recording conventions", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor E added to the agenda a concern raised by Andreas, about knowing beforehand the meeting's topics. This way, Andreas would only show up to those he was more interested in since he was peripherally involved. Professor E proposed to create the agenda at least a day before the meeting. Grad C offered as a volunteer. Postdoc F suggested that Andreas could specify the topics of interest and thus, discuss those topics more often.", "title": "Andreas Request on Early Agenda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 68 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "recording conventions", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Andreas would like to know what they were gonna be talking about before the meetings. Profesor E suggested creating and sending Andreas the agenda at some point before the meeting. Grad C volunteered for the task.", "title": "Andreas Request on Early Agenda", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 68 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : status , microphones , opinions" }, "summary": "Professor E wanted to know the status of microphones. Grad C thought the same and mentioned they have two new microphones and that they were being assembled. Grad C also suggested getting other headsets. Grad C believed they should replace some wired microphones with wireless ones, as they seemed to be better, and another base station.", "title": "Status on Microphones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : status , microphones , opinions , wireless" }, "summary": "Professor E wanted to know the status of microphones. Grad C thought the same and mentioned they had two new microphones and that they were being assembled. Grad C also suggested getting other headsets and asking for people's opinions on how comfortable they were. Grad C believed they should replace some wired microphones with wireless ones, as they seemed to be better, and another base station. Grad C mentioned they had a total of 15 microphones, 6 of them were already wireless with one base station. Therefore they could have up to nine. Professor E agreed to buy the wireless microphones and Grad E went ahead to buy them.", "title": "Status on Microphones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 94 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : status , channels , wireless" }, "summary": "Professor E wanted to know the status of channels. Grad C thought the same and suggested getting other headsets and asking for people's opinions on how comfortable they were. Grad C believed they should replace some wired microphones with wireless ones, as it seemed they could be daisy-chain, having the same number of channels but fewer microphones. Grad C suggested getting a new base station to chain the new wireless microphones.", "title": "Status on Channels", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 94 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : status , channels , wireless" }, "summary": "Professor E wanted to know the status of channels. Grad C thought the same and suggested getting other headsets and asking for people's opinions on how comfortable they were. Grad C believed they should replace some wired microphones with wireless ones, as it seemed they could be daisy-chain. Grad C mentioned that the six wireless microphones they already had could be daisy-chained into one channel only. If they got another base station, they could daisy-chain the new wireless microphones.", "title": "Status on Channels", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 94 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : UW , SRI , NIST , positive experience , sony" }, "summary": "Professor E mentioned UW was getting their own setup purchased and it seemed the equipment they were looking for was not of good quality. Grad C shared that SRI was also looking to buy a new setup. Professor E agreed to share with them and NIST their good experience with sony microphones.", "title": "Sharing Experience with Sony Microphones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 116, 128 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : UW , SRI , NIST , positive experience , sony" }, "summary": "UW and SRI were getting a new microphone setup. Professor E agreed with Grad C on sharing their experience to keep everyone on the same page", "title": "Sharing Experience with Sony Microphones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 116, 128 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : hand , soldering , headsets" }, "summary": "Professor E raised the concern about changing the headsets' connectors since that implied some soldering. However, Grad C mentioned he would not be the one soldering the connectors, but someone with a repair shop. Professor E was ok with that.", "title": "Changing Headsets' Connectors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 129, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C ; topic : hand , soldering , headsets" }, "summary": "Professor E raised the concern about changing the headsets' connectors since that implied some hand-soldering or something. However, Grad C mentioned it was so hand-soldering it, but Grad C was not doing it, but someone with a repair shop. Professor E agreed and said they would go with that.", "title": "Changing Headsets' Connectors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 129, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C , Postdoc F ; topic : digits , transcribers , scripts , dave" }, "summary": "Professor E asked if the transcribers were participating with the digits too. Grad C mentioned that Jane did not want the transcribers to do paperwork. Therefore, Grad C proceed to do the work and had all the forms on the computer. Grad C just wanted to know how the transcribers were going to transition to use different tools. Professor E mentioned Dave as the only user working with digits. Grad C said he already started, but that Dave could start anytime. Grad C said he would make sure to add dave to the mailing list so he was aware of the meetings. However, because he was still taking classes there might be a schedule conflict for him.", "title": "Dave's Involvement and Transcribers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 151, 177 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C , Postdoc F ; topic : digits , transcribers , scripts , dave" }, "summary": "Professor E asked if the transcribers were going to be doing stuff with the digits as well. Grad C mentioned that Jane did not want the transcribers to be doing any of the paperwork. Therefore, Grad C proceed to do the work and had all the forms on the computer. Grad C just wanted to know how the transcribers were going to transition to use different tools. Professor E mentioned Dave as the only user working with digits. Grad C already did five or six sets but said that Dave could start anytime. Professor E wanted to know if Dave was on the mailing list. Grad C said he would make sure to add dave to the mailing list so he was aware of the meetings. However, Grad C said Dave was still taking classes, so he may well have conflicts, to which Professor E agreed.", "title": "Dave's Involvement and Transcribers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 151, 177 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor E : Alright .", "Grad C : So are you {disfmarker}", "Professor E : So .", "Grad C : Are we going ?", "Professor E : It is uh , must be February fifteenth .", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Grad C : Yu I think the date 's written in there , yep . And actually if everyone could cross out the R - nine next to \" Session \" , and write MR eleven .", "Professor E : Yeah . Yeah . We didn't have a front - end meeting today .", "Grad C : And let 's remember also to make sure that one 's {comment} gets marked as unread , unused .", "Professor E : OK .", "PhD A : MR eleven .", "Grad C : MR eleven .", "Postdoc F : That sounds like a spy code .", "Professor E : Mmm . OK . So .", "Grad C : There 's lots of clicking I 'm sure as I 'm trying to get this to work {pause} correctly .", "Professor E : Agenda . Any agenda items today ?", "Grad C : I wanna talk a little bit about getting {disfmarker} how we 're gonna to get people to edit bleeps , parts of the meeting that they don't want to include . What I 've done so far , and I wanna get some opinions on , how to {disfmarker} how to finish it up .", "Professor E : OK .", "Postdoc F : I wanna ask about um , some aud audio monitoring on some of the {pause} um {pause} well some of the equipment . In particular , the {disfmarker} well uh , that 's just what I wanna ask .", "Professor E : OK audio monitoring , Jane .", "Postdoc F : Ba - based on some of the tran uh {disfmarker} i In listening to {pause} some of these meetings that have already been recorded there are sometimes big spikes on particular things , and in pact {disfmarker} in fact this one I 'm talking on is one of {disfmarker} of the ones that showed up in one of the meetings ,", "Grad C : Oh really .", "Postdoc F : so I {disfmarker}", "PhD B : \" Spikes \" , you mean like uh , instantaneous click type spikes , or {disfmarker} ?", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "PhD A : Spikes ?", "Grad C : Clicks .", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Professor E : Hmm .", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "PhD B : Huh .", "Postdoc F : And I don't know what the e electronics is but .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah .", "Grad C : Well , I think it 's", "PhD A : Touching .", "Grad C : uh , it {disfmarker} it could be a number of things .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : It could be touching and fiddling , and the other thing is that it could {disfmarker} the fact that it 's on a wired mike is suspicious . It might be a connector .", "Postdoc F : Oh , OK . Well maybe {disfmarker} Then we don't really have to talk about that as an {disfmarker}", "PhD B : You could try an experiment and say \" OK , I 'm about to test for spikes \" ,", "Postdoc F : I {disfmarker} I take that off the agenda .", "PhD B : and then wiggle the thing there , and then go and when they go to transcribe it , it could , ask them to come and get you .", "Grad C : Yeah . Right .", "PhD B : \" Come get me when you transcribe this and see if there 's spikes . \"", "Postdoc F : Oh that {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Um .", "Postdoc F : Well , OK .", "PhD B : No I 'm just {disfmarker}", "Professor E : I mean , were this a professional audio recording , {vocalsound} what we would do {disfmarker} {comment} what you would do is {disfmarker} in testing it is , you would actually do all this wiggling and make sure that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that things are not giving that kind of performance . And if they are , then they can't be used .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : So . Um . Let 's see . I guess {pause} I would like to have a discussion about you know where we are on uh , recording , transcription you know , basically you know where we are on the corpus .", "Postdoc F : Good .", "Professor E : And then um , the other thing which I would like to talk about which is a real meta - quest , I think , deal is , uh , agendas . So maybe I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll start with that actually . Uh , um . {vocalsound} Andreas brought up the fact that he would kinda like to know , if possible , what we were gonna be talking about because he 's sort of peripherally involved to this point , and if there 's gonna be a topic about {disfmarker} discussion about something that he uh strongly cares about then he would come and {disfmarker} And I think part of {disfmarker} part of his motivation with this is that he 's trying to help us out , in the {disfmarker} because of uh the fact that the meetings are {disfmarker} are tending to become reasonably large now on days when everybody shows up and so , he figures he could help that out by not showing {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Mmm .", "Professor E : and {disfmarker} and I 'm sure help out his own time . by not showing up if it 's a meeting that he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} So , uh in order {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I think that this is a wish on his part . Uh . It 's actually gonna be hard because it seems like a lot of times uh things come up that are unanticipated and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : But um , we could try anyway , uh , do another try at coming up with the agenda uh , at some point before the meeting , uh , say the day before .", "Grad C : Well maybe it would be a good idea for one of us to {pause} like on Wednesday , or Tuesday send out a reminder for people to send in agenda items .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : OK . You {disfmarker} you wanna volunteer to do that ?", "Grad C : Sure .", "Professor E : OK . Alright so we 'll send out agenda request .", "Grad C : Let me", "Professor E : Uh .", "PhD B : That 'll be {disfmarker} I think that 'll help {disfmarker}", "Grad C : I 'll put that on my spare brain or it will not {pause} get done .", "PhD B : That 'll help a lot , actually .", "Professor E : Yeah , I have to tell you for the uh {disfmarker} for the admin meeting that we have , Lila does that um every time before an admin meeting . And uh , she ends up getting the agenda requests uh , uh ten minutes before the meeting . But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} {comment} But . Uh . {comment} But we can try . Maybe it 'll work .", "PhD B : Mmm .", "Grad C : Yeah . Maybe . Weirder things have happened .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : I 'm wondering if he were to just , uh , specify particular topics , I mean . Maybe we 'd be able to meet that request of his a little more .", "PhD B : I would {disfmarker} I would also guess that as we get more into processing the data and things like that there 'll be more things of interest to him .", "Grad C : Well then {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah . Actually it {disfmarker} This {disfmarker} this maybe brings up another topic which is um {disfmarker} So we 're done with that topic . The other topic I was thinking of was the sta status on microphones and channels , and all that .", "Grad C : Yeah , actually I {disfmarker} I was going to say we need to {pause} talk about that too .", "Professor E : Yeah . Why {disfmarker} why don't we do that .", "Grad C : OK . Um , the new microphones , the two new ones are in . Um . {pause} And they are being assembled as we speak , I hope . And I didn't bring my car today so I 'm gonna pick them up tomorrow . Um , and then the other question I was thinking about is {disfmarker} well , a couple things . First of all , if the other headsets are a lot more comfortable , we should probably just go ahead and get them . So we 'll have to evaluate that when they come in ,", "PhD A :", "Grad C : and get people 's opinions on {disfmarker} on what they think of them . Um , then the other question I had is maybe we should get another wireless . Another wireless setup . I mean it 's expensive , but it does seem to be {pause} better than the wired .", "Professor E : So how many channels do you get to have in a wireless setup ?", "Grad C : Um , well , I 'm pretty sure that you can daisy - chain them together so what we would do is replace the wired mikes with wireless . So we currently have one base station with six wireless mike , possibility of six wireless receivers , and apparently you can chain those together . And so we could replace our wired mikes with wireless if we bought another base station and more wireless mikes .", "Professor E : So , um .", "Grad C : And {disfmarker} So , you know it 's still , it 's fifteen minus six .", "Professor E : So let 's see we {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Right ? So we could have up to nine .", "Professor E : And right now we can have up to six .", "Grad C : Right . And we have five , we 're getting one more .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : And it 's um , about nine hundred dollars for the base station , and then eight hundred per channel .", "Professor E : Oh . So yeah so the only {disfmarker} Beyond the mike {disfmarker} the cost of the mikes the only thing is the base station that 's nine hundred dollars .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : Oh , we should do it .", "Grad C : OK . OK , so I 'll look into how you daisy - chain them and {disfmarker} and then just go ahead and order them .", "Professor E : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD B : I don't quite understand how that {disfmarker} how that works , . If {disfmarker} So we 're not increasing the number of channels . OK .", "Grad C : No , we 're just replacing the wired {disfmarker} the two wired that are still working ,", "PhD B : OK . I see .", "Grad C : along with a couple of the wired that aren't working , one of the wired that 's not working , with a wireless .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "PhD B : Three wireds work ,", "Professor E : Basically we found {disfmarker}", "PhD B : right ?", "Grad C : I {disfmarker} I guess three wireds work , yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor E : Yeah . But we 've had more problems with that .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor E : And that sort of bypasses the whole {disfmarker} the whole Jimbox thing and all that .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : And so um , we {disfmarker} we seem to have uh , a reliable way of getting the data in , which is through the ra Sony radio mikes , as long as we 're conscious about the batteries .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : That seems to be the key issue .", "Grad C : Everyone 's battery OK ?", "PhD B : I checked them this morning , they should be .", "Grad C : OK .", "Professor E : Yeah . Um , {vocalsound} That 's the only thing with them . But the quality seems really good and {disfmarker} Um I heard from UW that they 're {disfmarker} they 're uh very close to getting their , uh setup purchased . They 're {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're buying something that you can just sort of buy off the shelf .", "Grad C : Well we should talk to them about it because I know that SRI is also in the process of looking at stuff , and so , you know , what we should try to keep everyone {disfmarker} on the same page with that .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "PhD B : SRI , really ?", "Grad C : Yeah .", "PhD B : Oh .", "Grad C : They got sa apparent Well , Maybe {pause} this needs to be bleeped out ? I have no clue .", "Professor E : Uh , I don't know .", "Grad C : I don't know how much of it 's public .", "Professor E : Probably we shouldn't {disfmarker} probably we shouldn't talk about funding stuff .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : Yeah . But anyway there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's uh , uh other activities that are going on there and {disfmarker} and uh {disfmarker} and NIST and UW . So . Um . But {disfmarker} but yeah I thin I think that at least the message we can tell other people is that our experience is {disfmarker} is quite positive with the Sony ,", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : uh , radio - mikes . Now the one thing that you have said that actually concerns me a little is you 're talking about changing the headsets meaning changing the connector , which means some hand - soldering or something , right ?", "Grad C : Uh , no , we 're having the {disfmarker} them do it .", "Professor E : No ?", "Grad C : So it 's so hand - soldering it , but I 'm not doing it .", "Professor E : Oh .", "Grad C : So , they {disfmarker} they charge", "Professor E : OK . Nothing against you and your hand - soldering", "Grad C : right .", "Professor E : but {disfmarker}", "Grad C : You 've never seen my hand - soldering . But uh , a as I said they 're coming in .", "Professor E : Uh , OK , so that 's being done professionally and {disfmarker}", "Grad C : I {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : Yeah . I mean .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : As professionally as I guess you can get it done .", "Professor E : Well , it could {disfmarker} if they do a lot of it , it 's {disfmarker}", "Grad C : I mean i it 's just their repair shop . Right ? Their maintenance people .", "Professor E : Well , we 'll see what it {disfmarker} it 's like .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor E : That {disfmarker} tha that can be quite good . Th - this {disfmarker} Yeah , OK . Good . Yeah . So let 's go with that .", "Grad C : And , I mean we 'll see , tomorrow , you know , what it looks like .", "Professor E : Uh , Yeah . So , um , uh , Dave isn't here but he was going to start working on some things with the digits . Uh , so he 'll be interested in what 's going on with that . I guess {disfmarker} Was {disfmarker} the decision last time was that the {disfmarker} the uh transcribers were going to be doing stuff with the digits as well ? Has that started , or is that {disfmarker} ?", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm . Yeah . Uh , it would be to use his interface and I was going to meet with him today about that .", "Grad C : Right , so , the decision was that Jane did not want the transcribers to be doing any of the paperwork . So I did the {disfmarker} all that last week . So all the {disfmarker} all the forms are now {pause} on the computer . And uh , then I have a bunch of scripts that we 'll read those and let the uh {pause} transcribers use different tools . And I just want to talk to Jane about how we transition to using those .", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm . So he has a nice set up that they {disfmarker} it w it will be efficient for them to do that .", "Professor E : OK .", "Grad C : I {disfmarker} I don't think it 'll take too long .", "Professor E : So anyway {disfmarker}", "Grad C : So , you know , just uh , a matter of a few days I suspect .", "Professor E : So anyway I think we {disfmarker} we have at least one uh , user for the digits once they get done , which will be Dave .", "Grad C : Right . I 've already done five or six {pause} sets .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Grad C : So if he wanted to , you know , just have a few to start with , he could . You know , and I also have a bunch of scripts that will , like , generate P - files and run recognition on them also .", "Professor E : Yeah , he might {disfmarker} he might be asking {disfmarker} Right . OK . Uh , is Dave {disfmarker} I don't know if Dave is on the list , if he 's invited to these meetings , uh if he knows .", "Postdoc F : I don't tend to get an invitation myself for them even .", "PhD A : No , no .", "Grad C : Uh , we don't have a active one but I 'll make sure he 's on the list .", "Postdoc F : Yeah . Should we call him ? I mean is he {disfmarker} d is he definitely not available today ?", "Professor E : I don't know .", "Postdoc F : Should I call his office and see ?", "PhD A : He was in .", "Grad C : I mean , he 's still taking classes , so uh , he may well have conflicts .", "Professor E : Uh , well i it 's uh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah , he was in {pause} s", "Postdoc F : He wasn't there at cof", "Professor E : Yeah , so this might be a conflict for him .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : OK .", "Professor E : OK . Uh , so .", "Grad C : Yeah didn't he say his signal - processing class was like {pause} Tuesdays and Thursdays ?", "PhD A : I think he has a class . Yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah . He might have .", "Grad C : Oh well , whatever .", "Grad D : You talking about David Gelbart ?", "Professor E : Oh , OK .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD B : Yeah .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yes .", "Grad D : Yeah , I think he 's taking two twenty - five A which is now .", "PhD B : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 27, "turns": [ 109, 221 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Tourism , fishing , oil and gas , Covid-1", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr Chris d'Entremont and Hon. Bernadette Jordan said that most fishing enterprises were not eligible for many of the supports, also that in recent weeks the fishing conditions changed for lobster fishermen. Mr. Chris d'Entremont said that tourism was affected by COVID, and that a lot of industries and festivals were dealing with losses of income. Hon. Mlanie Joly talked with their college for solutions to the tourism sector in the country. Hon Seamus O'Reagan said that the oil and gas sector was suffering because of two crises.", "title": "Discussion About Fishing and Tourism, Oil and Gas Affected by the Covid-19", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ], [ 12, 13 ], 112 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Tourism , fishing , oil and gas , Covid-19", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont and Hon. Bernadette Jordan said that most fishing enterprises were not eligible for many of the wage subsidy programs, but that it got changed from the CERB so the people running fisheries were in recent weeks the fishing conditions changed for lobster fishermen in the 2021 Season. Mr. Chris d'Entremont said that tourism season was deeply affected by COVID, and that a lot of industries, businesses, and festivals were dealing with losses of income. Hon. Mlanie Joly talked with their college for solutions for the tourism sector all over the country, in light of funding of ACOA. Hon Seamus O'Reagan said that the oil and gas sector was suffering because of two crises. One was the impacts of COVID, and the other was the effects of a global price war, they were working to tackle that since April 17.", "title": "Discussion About Fishing and Tourism, Oil and Gas Affected by the Covid-19", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ], [ 12, 13 ], 112 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stress , oil , gas", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. David Yurdiga said that the oil and gas industry was under severe strain, from anti-oil and gas lobby groups. The federal Liberal government added a pipelines bill in response to that, which had a negative impact on the oil industry. Also, they had an international oil price war and the COVID-19 pandemic. with a huge drop in oil demand.", "title": "Talking About The Stress of Oil and Gas Industry", "relevant_turns": [ 105 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stress , oil , gas", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. David Yurdiga said that the oil and gas industry was under strain because over the past years they had seen pressure from the federal government because of anti-oil and gas lobby groups. The federal Liberal government added Bill C-69 and the oil shipping ban in response, which had a negative impact on the oil industry. Also, they had an international oil price war and the COVID-19 pandemic with a huge drop in oil demand.", "title": "Talking About the Stress of Oil and Gas Industry", "relevant_turns": [ 105 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "health canada", "speaker": "Mr. Chris d'Entremon , Hon . Patty Hajdu ( Minister of Health )" }, "summary": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont said that the next question was for the Minister of Health of Canada. Now that some weeks passed, they saw that Vertex Pharmaceuticals did not apply to Health Canada for study, so when the drug was going to be available. Hon. Patty Hajdu said that there was a special access program for drugs like those.", "title": "Talking About Health Canada", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "health canada", "speaker": "Mr. Chris d'Entremon , Hon . Patty Hajdu ( Minister of Health )" }, "summary": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont said that the next question was for the Minister of Health of Canada. Now that weeks passed, they saw that Vertex Pharmaceuticals did not apply to Health Canada for study, so how did they support those negotiations, and when the drug Trikafta was going to be available. Hon. Patty Hajdu said that there was a special access program for drugs like Trikafta, and the majority of people that applied got access to the drug.", "title": "Talking About Health Canada", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "industries", "speaker": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont" }, "summary": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont said that the tourism season was deeply affected by COVID-19, and a lot of industries, businesses and festivals dealt with considerable losses of income, like the ferry industry between Bar Harbor, Maine, and Yarmouth, Nova Scotia.", "title": "Talking About Industries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 104 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "industries", "speaker": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont" }, "summary": "Mr. Chris d'Entremont said that the tourism season was already deeply affected by COVID-19, and a number of industries, businesses, and festivals had to deal with considerable losses of income. In their constituency, ten thousands of tourists use the ferry industry between Bar Harbor, Maine, and Yarmouth, Nova Scotia.", "title": "Talking About Industries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 104 ] ] } ], "source": [ "The Chair : We'll now go on to the next question from Mr. d'Entremont.", "Mr. Chris d'Entremont (West Nova, CPC) : Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Ten weeks ago the Minister of Fisheries, in responding to my question in question period, acknowledged that the lobster fishery was being negatively affected by the COVID-19 pandemic and was facing losses of up to 95% of its Asian markets. Mr. Chair, on April 28 I asked the minister what she was doing to support harvesters who were left out of the $62.5 million aid package. She mentioned that she was looking at sector-specific areas to make sure that the issues were addressed. Can the minister tell us what the government's plan is to directly support seafood harvesters?", "The Chair : The honourable minister.", "Hon. Bernadette Jordan (Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. I thank my colleague for that very good question. We know that the fish and seafood sector has been extremely adversely affected because of COVID-19. We've started to put measures in place to address the issue with the $62.5 million for processors, as well as to make sure that the CERB is available for seasonal workers as well as people who have run out of their fishery EI, but we know that more needs to be done. The fishery enterprises are uniquely structured, which is why we're looking at measures to address the concerns they have. I'm working with my provincial colleagues, as well as my caucus colleagues.", "Mr. Chris d'Entremont : Mr. Chair, most fishermen are not eligible for the wage subsidy program due to the stipulation that it cannot be used for employees who are related to their employer. Most fishing enterprises, like farm enterprises, are family oriented. Many fishermen have their wives, their sons, their uncles or their fathers working for them, and sometimes it's the whole family on the boat. Can the minister explain what the government's plan is to support fishermen who do not fit into any actual program and who desperately need direct financial help from the federal government to survive?", "Hon. Bernadette Jordan : Mr. Chair, we know that, because of the unique structure of fishing enterprises, they are not eligible for many of the supports we have put in place. We have made changes to the CERB to make sure that people who run out of the fishers EI are eligible as well as seasonable workers. We know that more needs to be done for the harvesters directly. We are working on direct supports. We have put in place measures to address processors' concerns so that harvesters continue to have a place to sell their product. We know that more has to be done. I am working with my cabinet colleagues to find solutions, and I hope I will have more to say about that very soon.", "Mr. Chris d'Entremont : In recent weeks, lobster fishermen in the gulf region of the Maritimes were shocked to read an additional subsection of regulations that was added to their fishing conditions for the 2021 fishing season. This addition was for a catch limitation or quota to which none of the harvesters or advisory members were privy. This created quite a chill within the lobster fishery, for sure. Can the minister tell us how these detailed regulations managed to get added without her authorization, and can licence-holders expect to see these same regulations in their conditions when their season gets going in the future?", "Hon. Bernadette Jordan : Mr. Chair, I want to thank the people who brought to my attention the conditions that were put on licences in the gulf. Those were not done under my authorization. They were removed right away from the condition of licence, and they will not happen.", "Mr. Chris d'Entremont : My next question is for the Minister of Health. Mr. Chair, on Wednesday, February 26, after the death of 23-year-old Chantelle Lindsay from Nova Scotia due to complications from cystic fibrosis, I asked the Prime Minister whether the government was going to make Trikafta, which might have saved Chantelle's life, available to Canadians. Now that almost 12 weeks have passed, we understand that Vertex Pharmaceuticals has not yet applied to Health Canada for study. Many of my Conservative colleagues and I have recently sent a letter to the minister asking for an update on how we support those negotiations with Vertex. Can the Minister of Health tell us when this drug will be available to CF patients in Canada?", "The Chair : Honourable minister, the floor is yours.", "Hon. Patty Hajdu (Minister of Health) : Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. My heart goes out to the family of Chantelle, who are obviously suffering an unbearable loss. I agree with the member that we want to make sure that effective drugs are available in Canada. As the member has pointed out, Vertex has not applied to sell Trikafta in Canada. However, there is the special access program that makes drugs like Trikafta available. In fact, the majority of people who have applied through the special access program to get access to the drug have received access. I would encourage the member to continue his correspondence with the manufacturer, as will we.", "The Chair : Mr. d'Entremont, you have 36 seconds.", "Mr. Chris d'Entremont : Mr.Chair, the tourism season is already deeply affected by COVID-19. A number of industries, businesses and festivals are having to deal with considerable losses of income. In my constituency, tens of thousands of tourists use the ferry between Bar Harbor, Maine, and Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. What is the government planning to do to help the ferry to survive and to resume service next season, if the borders remain closed this summer?", "Hon. Mlanie Joly (Minister of Economic Development and Official Languages) : I have had the opportunity to speak to my colleague Mr.d'Entremont about solutions to assist people in the tourism sector all over the country, and particularly in the Atlantic region. In light of the new funding for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, ACOA, I will be happy to work with him and with the leaders of the tourism sector.", "The Acting Chair (Mr. Bruce Stanton) : We'll continue. The next question will go to Mr. Yurdiga.", "Mr. David Yurdiga (Fort McMurrayCold Lake, CPC) : Thank you, Mr. Chair. Before I start my questions, I would like to thank the various ministers, parliamentary secretaries and the Speaker of the House for reaching out to me during the severe flooding in Fort McMurray. Your support during these trying times is much appreciated. The oil and gas industry is under severe strain. Over the past number of years, we have seen tremendous pressure on the federal government from anti-oil and gas lobby groups demanding that the oil sands be shut down. The federal Liberal government's response to the anti-oil lobby was the introduction of the no more pipelines bill, Bill C-69, which will prevent any major oil and gas projects from being developed in Canada; and the oil shipping ban, Bill C-48, for the northern coast of British Columbia, which also had a negative effect on the oil industry. These two bills alone pushed over $200 billion of investment out of Canada, causing the Alberta economy to retract to recession levels. To compound Alberta's economic problems, we have an international oil price war and the COVID-19 pandemic, which caused a huge drop in demand for oil. Mr. Chair, 48 days after the finance minister promised liquidity loans to oil producers and service companies, there are still no applications open for these loans. Can the honourable Minister of Natural Resources tell us when the Liberals will act on their promise?", "Hon. Seamus O'Regan (Minister of Natural Resources) : Mr. Chair, I'm happy that we were able to announce today some liquidity measures for large cap corporations in the oil and gas sector. These measures will provide them with the liquidity that they needed, and this is also the liquidity that they asked for. It was on April 17 that we started liquidity measures for small and medium-sized businesses in the oil and gas industry, and those are the ones in which 85% of workers are affected. Today's measures will complete that. I'm very happy that we've had such people as the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers come out and say that this is what they asked for and this is what they need, and we have produced what they need in order to ensure the future competitiveness of Canada's oil and gas sector.", "Mr. David Yurdiga : Mr. Chair, we have seen junior oil companies close their doors. The larger companies have sent contractors home and laid off employees. Many of these contractors are indigenous companies, and they are having a difficult time qualifying for programs to save their businesses. Can the honourable Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations inform us of the measures the government is taking to ensure there are no gaps in the current programs, and commit to review the eligibility criteria for owners of aboriginal businesses struggling to qualify for financial help?", "Hon. Seamus O'Regan : Mr. Chair, Canada's oil sector provides jobs for more than 576,000 people, including 11,000 indigenous people, in every part of Canada. It is essential that we support those businesses. It is essential that we support the many indigenous people who work in our oil and gas sector, particularly in Alberta and Saskatchewan. We have provided supports for those businesses, and we will continue to do so, also keeping in mind that in many of these communities the importance of public health and safety is foremost in our minds.", "Mr. David Yurdiga : Mr. Chair, western Canada oil storage is under extreme pressure. If thermal projects such as SAGD are shut down, those facilities could be lost forever. If the global oil markets remain oversupplied into the summer and industry must shut down production, what is the government's plan to ensure Canada's energy security and the economic future of the oil sands with the potential shutdown of oil production?", "Hon. Seamus O'Regan : Mr. Chair, we have worked with industry and with provinces on every front to ensure the stability of the oil and gas sector of our country. We have concentrated on workers. We need the workers in our oil and gas sector in order to lower emissions and achieve a greener economy. We need their determination and their ingenuity. We need to make sure that their jobs are held whole. Therefore, we are looking after workers and we are looking out for companies that hold onto those jobs for those workers.", "Mr. David Yurdiga : Mr. Chair, the government's assistance package for the Canadian oil and gas industry provides some hope to the industry. The lack of detail and action has led to some challenges. Can the minister clarify? On a medium-sized energy company's eligibility, if the company is in default to financial institutions, does it still qualify for the business credit availability program?", "Hon. Seamus O'Regan : Mr. Chair, we know that our oil and gas sector is suffering through two crises. We have the impacts of COVID and the effects of a global price war, and we have been tackling both of these on each front. On April 17, we announced liquidity measures to support the small and medium-sized players. That made up 85% of the jobs in this sector. We have announced liquidity will be further made available to larger players. As well, through the BCAP, we are making sure that more companies are eligible so that they can remain whole and so they can hold onto the jobs that we need." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 49, "turns": [ 305, 403 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "first layer ; detailed shape design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The first layer was to be spongy, covering the buttons such that the cover could be open like the peeling of the banana. That feature would be good for both the users and for marketing also.", "title": "Spongy Cover for the Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "first layer ; detailed shape design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team discussed how the buttons were going to be hidden under a spongy cover and would be revealed upon the peeling of the banana. The technical possibility was in question but making the outer layer spongy would ease the process of making the outer cover and increase its feasibility.", "title": "Spongy Cover for the Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Magnetic", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface suggested the use of magnetic material on the border of the cover so that it could be attached somewhere also to prevent the buttons from opening while the other buttons were being used.", "title": "Magnetic Border for the Cover", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Magnetic", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface; It can be a plastic cover sticking to all the stuff like with magnetic materials in the border; when you try to open it, it will be opened easily; you can be sure that it will not be open while you're commonly using buttons.", "title": "Magnetic Border for the Cover", "relevant_turns": [ [ 49, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "solar cell", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer was confirming the position of the solar cells and the screen in the shape, detailing the implication of placing it under the area with covered buttons.", "title": "Position of Solar Cells on the Device", "relevant_turns": [ [ 67, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "solar cell", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said things like the screen and solar cell had to be kept in shape and care should be taken. If the solar cell wouldn't be visible while the banana remains closed, then the material must be able to put the light inside. So that it's possible to reach the energy out of that.", "title": "Position of Solar Cells on the Device", "relevant_turns": [ [ 67, 74 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : So , {gap} the last point we decided it's infra-red , I guess .", "User Interface : Yeah , I think infra-red .", "Project Manager : Everybody's agreed .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah . Sure .", "Project Manager : Uh , so that's it I think about the concepts . You have other thing to add to this point , or uh no ? So , uh about the user interface , so we are going to use L_C_D_ . In the last meeting we talked about uh hidden buttons . I don't know what we are going to do with that . You talked about the buttons on the side {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Like like peeling of the banana you s {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , peeling of the banana .", "Project Manager : Mm what ?", "Industrial Designer : It would be cool , yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Peeling of the banana , you know ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : should should discover the other buttons , which are hidden .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . And you mean the first layer would be spongy .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} First layer obviously spo Yeah ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : w It's it's like silly , but the people will really appreciate it , yeah I think .", "Project Manager : Is it is it possible to do that ? It would be a great idea , but is it possible technically ?", "User Interface : Uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Like doing a spongy layer of the banana , and you open it .", "Marketing : I think if we if we have a spongy layer on the outside of the banana then it's easy to make that ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : you know , to manipulate that to hav be a cover that you can pull off and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , some {disfmarker} Something like a plastic cover covering uh some interface , U_S_B_ interface as in the in uh digital camera . If you see it's like peeling . You open a plastic cover and you see some U_S_B_ interfaces , some some interfaces for adaptor . So keys can be uh buttons can be covered like this , with a plastic cover and uh when uh and when you open this cover it's like peeling a banana . So , something like this . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but do you see that as a rigid thing , or like like a banana , something very soft , you can open like banana , or .", "Industrial Designer : Well is it possible to make it soft ?", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah , yeah it's a lic like a plastic cover , so . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So I think if it's so then it's cool ?", "Project Manager : So , I dunno what you think , Bob , but it would be great for users I think , and very good for marketing .", "Marketing : I think for sure . Definitely . The softer the better .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Cool .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Honestly speaking , I cannot imagine it , so far ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but it will be terrible . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um . And setting buttons hidden in {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Mm , other remarks , or something , or . Something we didn't talk about yes yet , or . I think we are almost there {gap} . Uh maybe , how can we , if we have a soft thing , like this , and to open it we have to attach it somewhere , I dunno how to do that technically , or .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And how {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Pof .", "Marketing : We could use Velcro .", "Project Manager : Yeah , maybe .", "Marketing : Or uh ma maybe a magnetic", "User Interface : Yes , yeah {gap} it's a good idea .", "Marketing : thing .", "Project Manager : Ma magnetic {gap} oh .", "User Interface : Magnetic {gap} . Mm . Yeah or a {disfmarker} Yeah it can is it can be a plastic cover uh sticking to the to the all the stuff like uh with magnetic p uh magnetic uh magnetic uh {vocalsound} materials in the border , so it's it sticks like refrigerator door , completely .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : And when you try to open it , it will be opened easily . So you you can be sure that it will not be open while you're uh while while uh you are commonly using uh buttons on the banana .", "Project Manager : Okay . And what would be the matter here of the first layer I mean ? Mm . Likes . Soft plastic , or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , I imagine some sort of vinyl thing .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : In a in a sort of a with a suede sort of feel . Maybe .", "Industrial Designer : Well since since the since the things like the like the screen and um how to say that , solar cell has to be has to be like kept kept in the shape , we cannot b uh {disfmarker} So we need that the that the peeling {disfmarker} uh I dunno but we should we should take care of these two two things . So , if if uh the solar cell won't be visible while the banana is closed , then the material must be able to put the light inside , you know . So that we can reach the energy out of it {disfmarker} out of that .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm . So you're saying is it possible to have a solar cell and this removable cover and", "Industrial Designer : It is possible , but , well if it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And a and a banana .", "Industrial Designer : I dunno .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I dunno how to how to do it if if t if to if it's better to put the solar cell to the t to the peeling or outside it , or or inside .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But then it must be some window there , you know .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : And something we forgot , maybe , uh about the speech recognition system , are we going to use it , or not ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yes , I think . I think so .", "Marketing : I think it's important .", "Project Manager : It i Yeah , it seems feasible , and it would be something very great .", "Marketing : I think {disfmarker} One of our p priorities is tech technology .", "Project Manager : So we have the de design , the a good shape , new and so on ,", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : And {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and we have also the technology thing w will be . And even the easy to use thing ,", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : so it will be perfect .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : So we add also the speech recognition device .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I agree .", "Project Manager : So , that great . We have decided everything . And think we are on a good way . So , um uh the next meeting will start in thirty minutes . Um , so uh the the Industrial Manager uh will uh will work on the look and feel design . The User Interface uh uh Mana uh Manager will work on the user interface device . And the the Marketing Expert will do the first project evaluation ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 460, 505 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "overall process , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked everyone's opinions about the project process, Industrial Designer, Marketing, and User Interface agreed that it was great, with good teamwork, they finished it in half a day. 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Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing . Um room for creativity ? There was that . Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things . Um you guys worked together well as a team . And um the means ? Which was the whiteboard and the pens .", "User Interface : Yeah . We've used the whiteboard .", "Industrial Designer : Super super .", "Project Manager : I had some problem with the pen I think , but {vocalsound} minus your p", "Marketing : Minus your PowerPoint fiasco .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well that's not my fault . That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me ,", "Marketing : No I know . I'm {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well {disfmarker}", "Marketing : yeah . Incom {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : uh they've just you know {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Have a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Heads are gonna roll , believe me .", "Project Manager : we have a list of employees that you would like fired .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yes yes .", "Project Manager : Okay . N new ideas found ? Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm . Kinda .", "Project Manager : Yes for the remote . Maybe no not f for", "User Interface : Technology used .", "Project Manager : technology . Alright . Closing . Costs are within the budget . Project is evaluated . Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary . That's it .", "User Interface : Excellent .", "Project Manager : And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Actually . Um so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up . And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can , what goes on after that .", "Marketing : We might have a while though .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "Project Manager : But that's the end of our meeting ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 76, "turns": [ 245, 572 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "They would use a seven-point scale to evaluate the remote control using three criteria, user requirements, then fashion trends and finally marketing strategy of the company, the final evaluation was quite good with an average of two something, but they rounded it as two.", "title": "Project's Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ 109, 111, 113, 117, 136, 310, 312, 319 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "evaluation , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "They would do an evaluation of the remote control using a seven point scale, they would give the rating to this product based on the user requirements, whether it meet the user requirements or not, then trends, whether it was fashion trend or not because people preferred fashionable things nowadays, then marketing strategy of the company in terms of providing quality products, not only in providing the latest technologies but in terms of environmental safe products, the final evaluation was quite good with an average of two something, but they rounded it as two.", "title": "Project's Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ 109, 111, 113, 117, 136, 310, 312, 319 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "final evaluation , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The project was within the budget, it would fit user requirements, and the final evaluation was two on the seven-point scale.", "title": "Project's Final Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 178, 179 ], 201, 302, 304, 312, 319 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "final evaluation , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The project would have a good design, it would fit all the requirements of the customers like technology-wise and price-wise, the final evaluation of the project was quite good, they rounded it as two on the seven-point scale, and they were within the budget.", "title": "Project's Final Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 178, 179 ], 201, 304, 312, 319 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design , fruits , evaluating", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "They were evaluating the product's design, it had only two or three fruit designs, which would limit the customers and their sales.", "title": "Project's Fruit Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 178, 179 ], 184, 187, 193, 201, 203, 207, 210 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design , fruits , evaluating", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "They were evaluating the product and said it had only two or three designs, a banana design, an orange design and the third one was not a fruit design, if a person didn't like those fruits, the design would limit the customers and by limiting them they would limit their sales and also their profit, that said if companies launched their products with a fruit shape they would give a range of products, a range of shapes to give a variety of designs.", "title": "Project's Fruit Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 178, 179 ], 184, 187, 193, 201, 203, 207, 210 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "final evaluation , project , products", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing explained to the group how they would do the final evaluation of the project, they would have to decide the rating they would give to the product based on user requirements, the fashion trends, the marketing strategy of the company not only in terms of providing quality products but providing environmental safe products.", "title": "Final Evaluation of the Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 106, 113 ], 117 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "final evaluation , product , criteria", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing, final evaluation of the, product; 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Marketing said the final evaluation was quite good, and they could be able to launch the product, Project Manager said they were within the budget.", "title": "Product's Final Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 302, 304, [ 310, 319 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "company strategy , product , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the product was within the budget, Marketing said the product kept the company strategy, it met the customers' requirements, the latest technology, and it should be environmentally safe.", "title": "Product's Final Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 302, 304, [ 310, 319 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Evaluation . Oh we've been writing this up for m months .", "User Interface : I think it went quite smoothly .", "Project Manager : Uh room for creativity , were we happy with that ?", "User Interface : W I think we were very creative .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No , I mea I think it means sort of individually .", "User Interface : Oh right , okay .", "Project Manager : Yes , no , maybe ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay . Groovy . So uh we're just gonna . Uh yeah , okay . Teamwork ? Leadership , sorry .", "Industrial Designer : Great leadership . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Excellent leadership . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Thank you very much . You're all get you're all getting a raise . Uh teamwork . I thought went well .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , everyone got enough input , I think .", "Project Manager : Uh and well means , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , we {gap} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : The technical stuff was brilliant .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Let's buy more .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh Right . Um", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} These pens are are neat though .", "Project Manager : I don't know what , new ideas found , means , to be honest .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , these are new ideas , like glow-in-the-dark or something like that . We discussed all the new ideas , but of course we couldn't reach any proper goals , we couldn't use these {gap} , but we h we are using these scroll buttons like this . These are new ideas we And new shapes , everything", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : . At le {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm 'kay . Groovy .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So just general thumbs up for all of us then .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : That kind of unfortunately is too quick .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Well um .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} . I suppose yeah . Um .", "Industrial Designer : Uh so let's talk about our bonuses and the raises we're getting for this , right . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} That's it , um I think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Right , right .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Let's see if I can get this bloody thing to work .", "Industrial Designer : Uh maybe we should start cleaning up the clay .", "Project Manager : Whoops . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , maybe .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Does it go back in , does it ? Reusable .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Something we should get {gap} .", "Project Manager : I don't know what this is but it's really really annoying .", "Marketing : So {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Uh Brian , have you have you finished ?", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Marketing : Uh mine needs also this .", "Project Manager : Um I have , yes .", "Marketing : At last mine is also the presentation .", "Project Manager : Huh ? Oh right , okay , you've got more , okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Oh , you got a presentation ,", "Project Manager : Sorry uh .", "User Interface : sorry .", "Industrial Designer : Oh ok", "Project Manager : It didn't bother to tell me that on this", "Marketing : S", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : thing . Is it ? Okay .", "Marketing : Uh {vocalsound} is the project evaluated , that is mine .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Doesn't tell me . {vocalsound} Oh you're doing that . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We evaluated ourselves , we thought we were great . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh .", "User Interface : Mm , love to eat that now .", "Industrial Designer : Anybody {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Kind of a green banana now .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Clay covered banana .", "User Interface : It's {disfmarker} this as well , sorry , we forgot to mention it'll be made out of kind of a rubbery latex , new material that we've got .", "Project Manager : O okay , hold on .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I've got .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} blue .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I wonder w which cell do I want . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : It's fun to touch .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , I didn't realise you had that bit . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So .", "User Interface : Oh could you pass the tomato please .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Sorry . Thank you .", "Marketing : So now is the final evaluation , final evaluation of the uh uh of our product . How we are going to {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : means uh at what standard what standard {disfmarker} whether it meets our standards or not . How mu What rating we will give to these products . So of course this is {disfmarker} will be a team work , w we together have to decide wha what rating we will give to this product and everything . So what methodology I will tell you on what basis we are going to discuss all this .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : We will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements , whether it meets the user requirements or not , this product . Then trends , whether it is as {gap} fashion trends or not ? Means {vocalsound} because we have already stated that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So this is also an important factor for our evaluation also . Then marketing strategy of the company . As we have already discussed that our company is quite {gap} in the market , not only in terms of providing quality products , not only in pro providing latest technologies , but also in terms of providing environmental s", "User Interface : Sorry {gap} . Sorry ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : carry on . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So {vocalsound} but also in terms of providing environmental safe products , uh yeah like uh keeping uh keeping in mind all the safety issues . So {disfmarker} Now comes the criteria rating with seven point scale . I'm having this scale this scale ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : so we have to do it on a board .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : {gap} the user requirem I think .", "Project Manager : Alright , okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : The board working again , is it ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Do we have the uh the marker for the board ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh .", "User Interface : Um .", "Industrial Designer : There it is .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Thank you .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {gap}", "Marketing : So .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So these are the three crite criterias for our evaluation of our product . First of all uh comes user requirement .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not . I I will {disfmarker} first I would like to have your views , what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not ?", "User Interface : Um {vocalsound} I think {disfmarker} Yeah , it did .", "Marketing : S", "User Interface : It had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the uh new technology that people said they wanted .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Um so .", "Project Manager : When the user requirement is essentially just to operate the T_V_ ,", "User Interface : Does it work ?", "Project Manager : so yeah ,", "User Interface : Yeah . So .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So what do you think you will personally give .", "Project Manager : of course we haven't actually got a working model yet .", "User Interface : I would say seven .", "Marketing : Seven . Uh .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Seven is good , yeah , isn't it ? I can't {disfmarker} True or false ? No sorry tr one is true .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : One , yeah .", "Marketing : Uh one is {disfmarker} means highest ranking , okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : But I think highest ranking is seven , or one ?", "Project Manager : No it's it's like true is one end , and false is the oth", "Industrial Designer : No that's false .", "Marketing : Okay , right right . So it's one for from your point of view .", "User Interface : Okay , so one .", "Marketing : And what do you say our Industrial Expert ?", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh . It's hard to know . I I give it a two . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh d you can you can tell on on the like {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I think she has given her views on the basis of design , because she was our i Interface Expert .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : But you can give your views based on technology , whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not ?", "Industrial Designer : Um yeah , I think i it might even exceed it um . But I guess there is a kind of a shortage of buttons .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um {gap} I'm gonna give it a two .", "Marketing : Two .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Marketing : And what about uh you , Brian ?", "Project Manager : Oh , I'll go for a one . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : You will go for one .", "Project Manager : Basic requirements but of the pro of the project .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay . Uh for me personally it is everything fine , it may be having good design , it may be uh meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology-wise , price-wise , but there is one thing which limits the customers , like we are having only two , three designs , like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah th {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and", "User Interface : Mm {vocalsound} yellow .", "Marketing : {disfmarker} Uh yeah , lower end . And the third one is what you ge uh that is not a f fruit look .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But if a person doesn't like banana , or orange , you are limiting him .", "User Interface : Uh-huh .", "Project Manager : Come on that was the tha {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No , don't buy our product , because we are l we like this only .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} 'Kay .", "User Interface : Uh-huh .", "Marketing : So we are showing our preference for particular fruits ,", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Being fruitist . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : two or three kinds rather , and {disfmarker} Yeah . {vocalsound} So .", "User Interface : Is that no is that not trends ?", "Marketing : Uh no , uh personally as a Marketing Expert I don't believe that ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : because whatever companies {disfmarker} they launch their products in the shape of fruits , they give a range of products , a range of shapes , like if we see , look at the smallest thing , toffee chocolates , they give a variety of different things .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Some children like to buy banana shape , some apple shape , some even pineapple shape , some orange shape .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So you can {gap} {disfmarker} what shape a person will like .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So in this case giving only one or two choices we are lim limiting our customers . And by limiting them , we are limiting our sales , limiting our profit also .", "User Interface : Uh-huh . But in electronics , I think , it's not q always quite so um {disfmarker} you don't always have so many choices as with chocolates .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think , you know , if you're going to buy a T_V_ maybe a company'll have {disfmarker} That you're going to choose from , a company'll have two or three choices , but they're different designs . We were coming up with one product .", "Marketing : Uh maybe . Okay but I will I will personally {disfmarker} won't give it {gap} beyond three .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No , I mean uh {vocalsound} obviously your opinion ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I'm just trying to {disfmarker} Okay .", "Marketing : So we can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} He's a tough cookie .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , on an average we can think three , four sevenths , maybe . Three or four ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh , no sorry ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : it should be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Six . Five or six .", "User Interface : What are we doing ?", "Industrial Designer : What are we doing ?", "Marketing : No sorry , sorry , sorry , sorry , we are doing a very wrong thing .", "User Interface : Adding them up ?", "Industrial Designer : We're gonna average them ?", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , we are taking everything ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So seven fourths .", "Marketing : and that's {disfmarker} I have taken it very wrongly .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : Yeah uh", "Industrial Designer : About one point f one point eight .", "Marketing : three four four two six seven seven sev Yeah one pe exactly . So we can say one or two .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : {gap} because it is one point eight uh {gap} two , so we will do two .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh I see .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah round it up to two .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So trends .", "Marketing : So where were the trends .", "Industrial Designer : Can you explain what you want us to write there ?", "Marketing : Sorry ?", "Industrial Designer : How it {disfmarker} how conforms to the current trends ?", "Marketing : Yeah , again the the fashion trends , this also like whether it it will be fashionable to have these products in the {vocalsound} uh as a fruit shape or something .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh .", "User Interface : Well um going on uh the specifications that we had , that fruit and vegetables are quite popular , and that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons , I would give it um , well , because it's hard to make a fruit good to look at , that that looks cool , you know ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so I would actually give it a three .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Tha three or four , I'm not sure .", "Marketing : Okay . Yeah .", "User Interface : Three . Go for three . That's fine .", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay . As far as the uh technology it its' got the latest trends in speech technology , but it's missing the screen , as we said , um but it does have the push-buttons , or the scroll-buttons , um but it doesn't have that fancy solar power or the the vibrating energy mechanism . So I give it a a four . I'd give it a kinda middle of the road for", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : for technology .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I am sort of pret uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Just the fruit does me in , I mean uh it might", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : it might be trendy to some , but I'm just not swallowing the fruit , so um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh also uh I would have liked to have seen the L_C_D_ screen in it . Um so yeah I'd say about four as well .", "Marketing : Okay . Uh personally I wi uh I think that in terms of trends , these products are quite good , like , these products are in fruit shape , because that wha people now {disfmarker} our fashion trend shows that people like everything {disfmarker} all f everything that is being advertised , like clothes , shoes , and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables , or getting them {gap} or showing some association with them .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So and in this way our product is good . And the second thing , now people don't want any complicated or bulky products and ours is quite simple and quite handy .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So that is also ef that also {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Our product meets the f the fashion uh trends of the market . And yes . It is cus spongy also . So they can play with it , it's quite good .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So then I think , maybe I can give it two . So four five ten thirteen thirteen {gap} . So we can {disfmarker} Is it fine ? So what about company strategy ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : Um .", "Industrial Designer : Well it was yellow . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , the company strategy , okay . Um {vocalsound} there was lot of discussing , that was good . Um I feel I got my say . Um so I'd give the company strategy a {vocalsound} two .", "Industrial Designer : Well , I think it's the the remote control conforms to the the company strategy .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Is that the question ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Is it ? Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um .", "User Interface : Okay , so {vocalsound} one or two .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : One . Okay , just leave it , it's fine .", "Industrial Designer : I'll go with two .", "Marketing : So what about you , Brian ?", "Project Manager : Um yeah , a three . Pretty much kept to the company strategy , so I would go for a {disfmarker} a one , as we not only kept it , but we were limited by {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah , and me also , like , this product me uh me uh me uh this meets all company strategy like our product should be as per customers' requirement , as per latest technology , and it should be environmental safe . So since our product meets all these requirements , so I would also prefer to give it rank one . So four six six", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So one and a half .", "Marketing : half .", "User Interface : Yeah , one .", "Marketing : So we can say two or one {gap} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : A two . {gap}", "Marketing : Okay . So th seven seven . Uh overall we are getting two {gap} something , but we can round it as two .", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Marketing : Yeah . So I think overall uh evaluation of our product is quite good .", "Project Manager : Cool , groovy . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : S", "Marketing : So we can launch it . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Cool . Brilliant . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Woo-hoo .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} In which case we are done . 'Cause we've evaluated and we are within budget . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Cool .", "Marketing : So", "Project Manager : Champagne lunch anyone ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah . {vocalsound} Great . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 8, 44 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "primary legislation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenlliam AM said they wanted to know the aspects that would be included in the primary legislation. Kirsty Williams AM said they began working on the original proposal that was in the legislation. The four purposes would be set out in the legislation. They were going to legislate for a number of the cross-curricular aspects- the literacy, the numeracy and the digital competency as well as some elements where they had already said that they were going to make that statutory, like relationships and sexuality education.", "title": "The Primary Legislation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "primary legislation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM wanted to know specific aspects of the framework of the curriculum that would be included in the primary legislation. Kirsty Williams AM said the four purposes would be set out in the legislation and put in law, the areas of learning and experience. They would legislate for a number of the cross-curricular aspects.", "title": "The Four Purposes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "legislation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams reminded that they had four purposes, and also had the areas of learning and experience. It would not necessarily be added, but rather refined and started on the feedbacks recieved.", "title": "Additions to the Legislation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "legislation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that there were broad concepts that would be expected to be delivered. They recieved feedback from children that would be refined instead of being added.", "title": "Feedback from Children", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "'what matters", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM talked about what to put on the face of the Bill, and added that they would make a provision to say that the 'what matters' statement had to be delivered. The legal requirenment to deliver the 'what matters' statement would be in the secondary legislation.", "title": "Topic on 'What Matters'", "relevant_turns": [ 10, [ 13, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "'what matters '", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM; make provision to say that the 'what matters' statements have to be delivered. Over time, the 'what matters' statements might change; the actual wording of the 'what matters' statements will be in the secondary legislation; in a 'what matters' statement on health and well-being, wouldn't have referred to mental health, 20 years ago, because our understanding as a society, our willingness as a society to engage in that.", "title": "Changing of the What Matters Statement", "relevant_turns": [ 15 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "world religions", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said there existed mixed views on the inclusion of a range of faiths and world religions in the area of learning, and people said they needed a much clearer and stronger focus on Christianity.", "title": "Faiths and World Religion", "relevant_turns": [ 23 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "world religions", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM talked about the mixed views regarding including faith and world religion in the area of learning. As opposed to including other world religions, people wanted a clearer and stronger focus on Christianity exclusively, in some cases. People wanted RE to be much broad-based and encompass world views and world religions and felt it was important for young people to live in a world with diversity. There was a need to modernise RE.", "title": "Modernising RE", "relevant_turns": [ 23 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "curriculum", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM spoke about being a final draft of the curriculum. Kirsty Williams AM said the expectation was that they would publish a final version of the curriculum.", "title": "The Curriculum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "curriculum", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM; What is the timetable for the Bill itself and for seeking Royal Assent for that?; Kirsty Williams AM; the expectation; publish a final version of the curriculum in January 2020, so schools will then have the opportunity to be really engaging in it; what's really important is that we get the actual curriculum out in January itself.", "title": "Releasing the Curriculum", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 30 ], 36 ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. We've got some specific questions now on the legislation from Si\u00e2n Gwenllian.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : You've touched on the point that there's going to be some sort of change, and you've mentioned in your paper to us that further specific aspects of the framework of the curriculum are going to be included in the primary legislation. We want to know what those aspects will be and what has made you change your mind.", "Kirsty Williams AM : The original proposal that we began working on was, in the legislation, to provide for the four purposes\u2014so, the four purposes would be set out in the legislation\u2014as well as putting in law the areas of learning and experience that you'll all be familiar with. Then, below that, we were going to legislate for a number of the cross-curricular aspects\u2014so, the literacy, the numeracy and the digital competency\u2014as well as some elements where we had already said that we were going to make that statutory, so, for instance, above and beyond what Graham Donaldson would have put in his original reports. A good example of that is relationships and sexuality education. I've already made an announcement that I was going to put RSE on the face of the Bill. So, the two main new areas that we are now working on to include within the Bill are to ensure that there is breadth within the curriculum for everybody\u2014. So, we will make a statutory provision for the 'what matters' statements. So, we're bringing it a step lower again. Rather than simply, in law, leaving it at the AoLE level, we'll be bringing it down again to the 'what matters' statements within that, again, providing greater certainty and greater clarity about our expectations at a national level. We'll also be looking to include in the legislation provision for a statutory framework setting out our approach to progression in each of the AoLE areas. So, there has been in the Chamber\u2014I can see Suzy is writing this down\u2014Suzy has asked me questions about, 'How do you create a national expectation around progression?' We've reflected on that and our conversations with other people outside during this process, so we would look to have a statutory framework where our expectations of progression at a national level would be laid out. As I said, we are proposing those changes because of responses that we've had. One of the consistent worries that some people have had, whilst being very supportive of the overall aims, is how do you get that balance between individual autonomy in the school, but also ensure that there is some national expectation and that the variation on these important things is not so great as to cause concern. So, we've reflected on that. I set up a process\u2014this was an open process, and we were open to listening to people. So, I think those will be the two main areas where we hadn't originally thought that we would legislate for, but that we will now legislate for.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. Great. That's very helpful. I haven't got the 'what matters'\u00a0statements in front of me\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, if you remember, we have the four purposes, and then we have the areas of learning and experience, and then, below the areas of learning and experience are the broad concepts that we would expect to be delivered in each of those areas of learning and experience. So, we're going to be refining some of those. Some of the feedback that we've had is that\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : So, will you be adding to those?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Adding is not necessarily\u2014no, not adding. But, for instance, the children have given us some interesting feedback about what they feel really matters in those areas of learning and experience. So, they'll be refined, but not added to, and then we will legislate for them, and that hadn't been the original intention.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. Will they include mental health and well-being?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, the area of learning and experience for well-being is already there, and underneath that area of learning title, there are the broad concepts of what matters, what we believe matters, in that area of learning, and it is that that we will now actually put into the legislation. Sorry, I'm not helping, because I haven't got them with me either to read them out.", "Lynne Neagle AM : They are in the annex to the paper, Si\u00e2n, and, obviously, mental health is in there. So, just to clarify, then, that would mean that every school would have to teach mental health by law.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, because the 'what matters' states very clearly the broad concepts in health and well-being. It refers to both physical and mental health, and we intend to legislate to ensure that the 'what matters' statements are a set given in the system.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Claire, am I explaining it okay?", "Claire Bennett : Yes, the 'what matters' are the articulation of the big ideas. These are the essence of the core content. So, the idea is to make sure that those are consistent, and then that still leaves huge flexibility underneath as to how to approach those, which particular topics to select in how to actually teach them. But the concept that you might not do one 'what matters'\u2014it was never what was intended. They were always intended to represent, as a whole, the learning that every learner should get. They won't be literally in the Bill, because, obviously, you might want to change the emphasis, so that'll be provided for in subordinate legislation, but the provision will be there, and they will have the status of something that's not optional, basically, for a school.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Therefore, it's not going to be on the face of the Bill\u2014the mental health aspect, for example. And there are other matters that we've raised here. This is what I'm not clear about. You're saying that it's subordinate, but then you're saying\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : So, on the face of the Bill, we will make provision to say that the 'what matters' statements have to be delivered. Over time, the 'what matters' statements might change. So the actual wording of the 'what matters' statements will be in secondary legislation; the need to deliver and the requirement, the legal requirement to deliver the 'what matters' statement, will be on the face of the Bill. So, for instance, education is changing all the time. If I think, if we had sat here 20 years ago, we probably, in a 'what matters' statement on health and well-being, wouldn't have referred to mental health, 20 years ago, because our understanding as a society, our willingness as a society to engage in that\u2014. So, if we had drawn up a 'what matters' statement even a decade ago, I suspect we wouldn't have talked about mental health. So, the concept of having to deliver the 'what matters' statement will be in the primary legislation; the actual wording, because otherwise if you wanted to change it you'd have to go through the entire process\u2014. So, the wording of the 'what matters' statement will be in secondary legislation. The actual need and the compulsion, the expectation that you have to do that, will be on the face of the Bill.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Suzy, you had a supplementary.", "Suzy Davies AM : Just on this question of the distinction between primary and secondary legislation. The point you've made is one that Government has made with other legislation prior to this, but can I just ask you to consider the worthiness, if you like, or the good purpose of actually putting the wording of the 'what matters' statements, the first round of those, in the primary legislation on the basis that they can be amended through affirmative procedure secondary legislation when they need changing in due course? The reason I ask this is just to explain to the population of Wales that there is certainty at the first step, bearing in mind that it will change over the years\u2014I completely accept that. But when you're amending primary legislation, you don't have to go through the whole process again\u2014you can do it via secondary legislation provided the correct powers are put in the primary legislation to do that. So, I'm just asking you to consider that.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, as I said, I think we've demonstrated that we're listening to people, that there has been concern expressed about certainty and having a national approach on some of these issues, and we have taken steps to address that and we'll continue to reflect, but, crucially, we'll continue to reflect with our partners who are co-constructing this with us. And I think the important thing to remember is that it's not Ministers or civil servants that are necessarily drawing up these 'what matters' statements, it is practitioners themselves, guided by experts in the field that are not teachers, that have come up with these things.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Obviously, the Bill will presumably come to this committee\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : We're assuming so.", "Lynne Neagle AM : And we'll have an opportunity to influence it. Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Moving on, therefore, to the religious education and relationships and sexuality education, I understand that you've had numerous responses to the White Paper surrounding this particular area. What are the main points that were raised with you and how do you intend to respond to what's been said?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, these two areas certainly have ensured that lots of people have responded. It's interesting that people are far more interested in what we may or may not do about these two subjects than maths, English, Welsh, science, but there we go; I guess it's the nature of the areas that we're talking about. With regard to religious education, we had a significant number of people that have expressed concerns about our approaches towards RE that were set out in the White Paper. I think amongst the things that people have objected to were\u2014. There were very mixed views on the inclusion of a range of faiths and world religions included in that area of learning. Many people said that there needed to be a much clearer and stronger\u2014and in some cases exclusive\u2014focus on Christianity, as opposed to including other world religions and, indeed, non-religious views. So, secular views or spiritual\u2014spirituality rather than organised religion. There were people who thought that RE shouldn't be compulsory at all and therefore our proposals to ensure that RE was compulsory, people objected to that, on the other\u2014. And there were many responses that were concerned about and emphasised the need to respect parents' views. So, if a child's parents have certain views, those are to be respected. Of those respondents that agreed that RE should be a compulsory part of the curriculum, or were neutral\u2014didn't express an opinion either way, but were neutral on the question\u2014the issues that they were bringing forward were: a need for learners, as they saw it, to be prepared to be part of a diverse and multicultural society. So, they wanted RE to be much more broad-based and encompassing of world views and world religions. They felt that that was an important part of preparing a young person to live in a world that is, as you say, diverse with people of different views living in it. There is certainly a need to modernise RE; some people perceived the current curriculum as a bit old-fashioned. And also there was much feedback on making sure that the profession was ready to deliver a renewed, modernised RE curriculum. So, those are the issues around religious education\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Can I just\u2014? Before you go on to the next section\u2014is there evidence that this was a co-ordinated lobby to present a particular view and what is your response going to be to this? Obviously, there are always going to be lobbies presenting particular viewpoints. Our role, as politicians, is to lead, obviously, isn't it?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes. Claire, would you say that it was a co-ordinated response?", "Claire Bennett : It wasn't a campaign in the sense of it being completely consistent, but, certainly, I think people with a particular interest in this issues felt galvanised to respond to the White Paper on this issue\u2014on this one and on relationships and sex education.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. And your response?", "Kirsty Williams AM : And my response: well, clearly, Si\u00e2n, I need to consider those responses, and both for RE and RSE, I shall be making a statement in the near future of our intentions on how to respond to these issues. With regard to RSE, the key messages, again, are focused on whether children should be taught RSE at all and that this should not be in the curriculum and it shouldn't be a compulsory part of the curriculum\u2014that this was not an area where the school system and the education system should be involved, and that it should be alone the preserve of parents to teach children about issues around relationships and sexuality education. There were some issues raised about potential challenges with staff in talking about issues that they perhaps personally did not agree with with regard to this curriculum. So, those were the main areas that people were concerned about. With regard to guaranteed access to a full curriculum, there were strong views that, again, it should be parents, and parents alone, that made decisions about whether their children should have access to the entirety of the curriculum rather than schools or the state setting those rules. So, I have to reflect on what has come back as part of the consultation exercise. I think these are really important aspects of our curriculum. I think if we are to achieve the four purposes, and that's how we have always got to think about it, and if we agree that those are the kind of people and individuals we want leaving our compulsory education system\u2014how do we achieve those purposes? How are they healthy, confident individuals? How are we to prepare our children to be ethical, informed citizens of Wales and the world? So, we will reflect on what has come back to us, but I do believe that these are important aspects of the curriculum, if we are to achieve the four purposes.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay, thank you. You've also mentioned that there will be a final draft of the curriculum at the start of next year. What is the timetable for the Bill itself and for seeking Royal Assent for that?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay, so, as I said earlier, the expectation is that we will publish a final version of the curriculum in January 2020, so schools will then have the opportunity to be really engaging in it. I have to say, I'm in schools most weeks, and many, many, many schools are already taking the opportunity, even on the draft, to begin to think about planning and, indeed, changing what they're doing in schools. I'm overwhelmed, actually, by the enthusiasm of the sector to embrace what is a massive change for them. So, that's January. We would expect to introduce the Bill following the Easter recess.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. That gives enough time, then, for it to be\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : \u2014actually implemented in September\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : In 2022.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : In 2022, yes.", "Kirsty Williams AM : And I think what's really important is that we get the actual curriculum out in January itself, because that's the bit that schools are really concerned about, and then we will have the process here to underpin it." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 10, "turns": [ 0, 27 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "group warming , new remote control project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager welcomed everyone, said that the meeting was for designing the new remote control, and it started the warm welcome, after that they would discuss a few ideas, and dispatch different tasks. User Interface said that it was going to have another meeting soon. Project Manager said that the goal was to have an original remote control, trendy and user-friendly. It said that the design was divided into three points, functional design, conceptual design, and desired design.", "title": "Group Warming and Introduction of New Remote Control Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "group warming , new remote control project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager welcomed everyone, said that that kickoff meeting was for the process of designing the new remote control, and it started the warm welcome, after that, they would see what would be their product, also discuss a few ideas, and dispatch different tasks to fulfill. User Interface said that if they could hurry up a bit, it was going to have another meeting soon. Project Manager said that the goal was to have a remote control, with an advantage over competitors, original, trendy, and try to be user-friendly. It said that the design was divided into three points, first was functional design, third was the conceptual design, and then desired design.", "title": "Group Warming and Introduction of New Remote Control Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 28 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} How do you wear this thing ?", "Project Manager : Hmm . Mm mm mm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Not too many cables and stuff .", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Original . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone . So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control . So I will first start with a warm welcome opening {vocalsound} stuff ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it . And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be {disfmarker} you will have to fulfil to complete this process . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh . Just one thing . Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so maybe you could hurry up a bit {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} sorry ?", "User Interface : It's true . I have another meeting so if you could uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You have another meeting soon ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So you have to be quick .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , for the lawnmower project .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points . First it will be the functional design . Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design . So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , the technical function the remote control should fulfil . And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 76, "turns": [ 0, 130 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "banana , tomato", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface said three prototypes were made based on a banana, tomato, and one other fruit. Project Manager could not remember the tomato but User interface said there was some red leftover. The first prototype had as few buttons as possible and mainly speech recognition, the slogan was yellow and it was very simple and the buttons could be accessed by flipping it over", "title": "The First Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "banana , tomato", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Three prototypes were made, banana-based, tomato-based, and another one. The first one had mainly speech recognition, a few buttons, the slogan, and could project things unto the screen.", "title": "The First Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stand , slogan", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the second prototype had a stand and could lie flat. The stand represented the charging stand, the black on the back was the slogan, the company name would be on the front, it also had an LED transmitter and two scroll buttons for channel and volume change. It was also quite ergonomic and had a speaker on top for speech recognition. It was made with simple self-explanatory buttons.", "title": "The Second Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "stand , slogan", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "The second prototype was like the one they had seen before. it was delicate and already had a charging stand, the slogan on the black at the back, the company name on the little black line in front, LED transmitter. It also had two scroll buttons for channel and volume change but User Interface said they were not sure about putting them there because they could get bashed. User Interface also said the prototype has a walkie-talkie kind of speaker on top for speech recognition, a big red power button placed in the middle, which was not a traditional but obvious place.", "title": "The Second Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "banana , friendly", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The third prototype was the banana-based one which was for younger audiences, more friendly, and just what was needed since it was designed to induce more television watching. Project manager was happy to have options", "title": "The Third Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 130 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "banana , friendly", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the banana-based prototype was more friendly, for the younger audience and designed to induce more television watching just as needed.", "title": "The Third Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 130 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , almost there .", "Project Manager : Okay . We'll sta I'll use the PowerPoint , I guess . How was that , was that fun ?", "User Interface : Mm . Very fun .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . Uh oh I've forgotten to mail you the minutes , but I will do .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Upsidaisy . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um we {disfmarker}", "Marketing : E excuse me I forgot my", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : copy . {gap}", "Project Manager : Alright , okay , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : He's gonna get his pen .", "User Interface : Oh right . Okay .", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} Will you guys first with your prototype um before we get to the good news ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , there's good news ?", "Project Manager : Uh {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : we have budget problems .", "Industrial Designer : Oh . Cutbacks .", "Project Manager : I'm afraid you're all sacked . Oops .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I don't even have this on . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay , have you got a presentation to make ?", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : No , not mine yet .", "Project Manager : No . Okay", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "Project Manager : so it's just your your show .", "Industrial Designer : Um maybe we should bring {gap} so that the camera can see {gap} . Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay . Sure .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : We made three for you .", "Project Manager : Three ? Oh .", "User Interface : Um one's based on the banana , one's based on the tomato", "Project Manager : Tomato ? What tomato ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and the other one is st", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I don't recall a tomato . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Look . Oh yeah , well yeah , we had v some red left over .", "Project Manager : Ah I see , okay . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So . Okay , so this is the um non to non uh no buttons one , or as mm few buttons as possible ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : mainly speak recognition . The yellow there is the um", "Project Manager : Logo .", "User Interface : the slogan , yeah ,", "Project Manager : Okay , brilliant .", "User Interface : that we need to incorporate , it's very simple . If you do need buttons , you can flip it over , and there's some there ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : um but mainly it's speech recognition .", "Project Manager : Okay , so the buttons would be like , you know individual users , or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah and {vocalsound} yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there .", "Project Manager : Alright , okay .", "User Interface : Mm I'm not sure about that . Um and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier .", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , you guys can have a look at that if you want .", "Project Manager : That's groovy . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh can I have {gap}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well I like the feel of it , I like the feel of it .", "User Interface : Yeah , sure . Um that one is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh sorry s {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh no , it's delicate .", "Project Manager : At Oh dear .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That's that's already got its stand that one . That's it stand .", "Project Manager : Alright , okay .", "User Interface : It does also lie flat , but that's the that yellow stand there represents the the charging stand .", "Project Manager : Okay , brilliant mm .", "User Interface : Um the black on the back is the slogan .", "Project Manager : Okay , nice and obvious there {vocalsound} ,", "User Interface : Uh yeah , that {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Well , we did think of that .", "Project Manager : if it's standing up , I guess , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , if it's standing up it's it's on there , but also we're gonna have the company name on the front , which is the little black kind of line in the middle .", "Project Manager : Oh right , okay , brilliant . Like that from its centre .", "User Interface : So um and that's the um transmit the L_E_D_ thing . These are the s two scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down . We n were weren't sure about putting them there , because um i it's it kind of could get bashed .", "Project Manager : Where you're , yeah , uh were you're holding it kind of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Well , if you hold it , you can {disfmarker} you all can hold it , is {disfmarker} it does actually feel quite ergonomic ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : if you've got small hands .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um , obviously I don't think that's real sized {gap} .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : It would have to be a bit bigger .", "Project Manager : Yeah , scale model , yeah .", "User Interface : Okay . Um that's a speaker at the top , so you can speak into it like a little walkie-talkie as well for speak recognition .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Um and {vocalsound} um then the buttons . Yeah kind of self-explanatory , just buttons whenever you need them . Tried to keep it simple . Oh that's the charging base prongs at the bottom .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Alright , excellent .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} We used those {gap} . And um then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : It's not in the traditional place ,", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : but um it's quite an obvious place .", "Project Manager : It's out of the way as well , I suppose , so . Excellent .", "User Interface : So {vocalsound} there we go and and um we have the banana-based one too .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yep . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : This one is uh , I suppose for the younger audiences .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : A a more friendly type of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , {vocalsound} so so Barney the banana {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Right , right . It's to uh induce more television watching I suppose or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Ah excellent , just what we need .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Say it for the camera .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Lo Sort of Loch Ness banana . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Right , right .", "Project Manager : Cool {gap} yeah . Well , nice to have uh options at least .", "Industrial Designer : Yep . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : 'Kay and {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 0, 12 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Project Manager : If you leave them on the whole time you get to look like a noodle the whole time .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : Is that someone's ?", "Project Manager : Is that {gap} .", "User Interface : Thank you .", "Project Manager : {gap} three , apparently .", "User Interface : Hmm . Hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay , you all switched on .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Yep , me too .", "Project Manager : I presume we're good to go . Okay , um minutes um we decided to use a kinetic charger ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : standard chip , um 'cause it can come in various different sizes , it wasn't uh uh gonna be a problem factor . We wanted a stand-by function . The case material is gonna be soft , rubbery , changeable . Um buttons with a combination of L_C_D_ and rubber according to the design . Um bright funky designs inspired by fruit , keeping with the hip kind of feel . Um {vocalsound} and to try and incorporate voice recognition software into our design until we can find out more about the cost of things like that . Um {vocalsound} and the rubber buttons that we'll use will be anti-R_S_I_ . Okay ? Prototype presentation ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 38, "turns": [ 45, 116 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "software", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD C" }, "summary": "Professor B said they went to Yosemite and bonded, they came out with a single piece of software. PhD C talked about what the piece of software had. Professor B added that it was fine and talked about the important thing. There were a few more days of nailing things down with the software and so on.", "title": "Piece of Software from Yosemite", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 34 ], 67 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "software", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C said there was one piece of software. Professor B said what they should do was, even though the software could do many things.", "title": "The Ability of the Software", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 34 ], 67 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wiener filtering", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A , PhD C" }, "summary": "Professor said the vector Taylor series had not really worked out that much. Added that there were many other choices to be made that were not independent, the choice to do spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering. PhD C said one could parse command-line arguments.", "title": "Choice of What to Do", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 12 ], 18, 27 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "wiener filtering", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A , PhD C" }, "summary": "Professor B said it came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering. They sort of felt the gang could just sort of figure out what they wanted to do. PhD C said depending on the parsing command-line arguments it became either spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering.", "title": "Choice of What to Do", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 12 ], 18, 27 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different ways", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said they had very strong feedback and they sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways regard to the noise.", "title": "Dealing with Noise Suppression", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "different ways", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; after coming back from QualComm we had; very strong feedback; we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noise suppression; But given the limited time; sort of time to choose one.", "title": "Dealing with Noise Suppression", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : So what 's {disfmarker} what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something .", "Professor B : OK . So a week ago {disfmarker} maybe you weren't around when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when Hynek and Guenther and I {disfmarker} ?", "PhD C : Hynek was here .", "PhD A : Yeah . I didn't .", "Professor B : Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Yeah , let 's summarize . Um {disfmarker} And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also be possibly helpful . What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working .", "PhD E : p - p - p", "Professor B : We , uh {disfmarker} we looked at , {nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} anyway we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh , I think it was {vocalsound} Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noise suppression . But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to {pause} choose one .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . Mmm .", "Professor B : Uh , and so , uh , th the vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much . Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much . Um , so it sort of came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how they were d uh , completely different .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so that there 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there 's an exponent difference in the index {disfmarker} you know , what 's the ideal filtering , and depending on how you construct the problem .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : And , uh , I guess it 's sort {disfmarker} you know , after {disfmarker} after that meeting it sort of made more sense to me because {vocalsound} um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose your error ? And typically you 'll do {disfmarker} choose something like a variance . And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra . Whereas when you 're {disfmarker} when you 're doing the {disfmarker} the , uh , um , {vocalsound} looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signals", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : and you 're gonna end up looking at power {disfmarker} uh , noise power that you 're trying to reduce . And so , eh {disfmarker} so there should be a difference {vocalsound} of {disfmarker} you know , conceptually of {disfmarker} of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of {disfmarker} of , uh , {vocalsound} uh , over - subtraction and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and so forth , um , that {vocalsound} arguably , you 're c and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and the choice of do you {disfmarker} do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand . There 're so many other choices to make that are {disfmarker} are almost {disfmarker} well , if not independent , certainly in addition to {pause} the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , that , um , {vocalsound} @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , go forward with it . So that 's {disfmarker} that was {disfmarker} that was last week . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , go arm wrestle , you know ,", "Grad D : Oh .", "Professor B : figure it out . I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : And {disfmarker} and so they {disfmarker} so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and {disfmarker} and they came out with a single {disfmarker} single piece of software . So it 's {vocalsound} another {disfmarker} another victory for international collaboration . So .", "PhD A : So {disfmarker} so you guys have combined {disfmarker} or you 're going to be combining the software ?", "Professor B : Uh .", "PhD C : Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty of options ,", "PhD E : Oh boy .", "PhD C : like you can parse command - line arguments . So depending on that , it {disfmarker} it becomes either spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "PhD C : So , ye", "PhD A : They 're close enough .", "Professor B : Well , that 's fine , but the thing is {disfmarker} the important thing is that there is a piece of software that you {disfmarker} that we all will be using now .", "PhD C : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : Yes .", "PhD C : There 's just one piece of software .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : I need to allow it to do everything and even more {disfmarker} more than this .", "PhD C : Right .", "PhD E : Well , if we want to , like , optimize different parameters of {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Parameters . Yeah .", "Professor B : Sure .", "PhD E : Yeah , we can do it later . But , still {disfmarker} so , there will be a piece of software with , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : How {disfmarker} how is {disfmarker} how good is that ?", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't have a sense of {disfmarker}", "PhD E : It 's just one percent off of the {pause} best proposal .", "PhD C : Best system .", "PhD E : It 's between {disfmarker} i we are second actually if we take this system .", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : Right ?", "PhD A : Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah .", "Professor B : But , uh {disfmarker} w which we sort of were before", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Professor B : but we were considerably far behind . And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance . You know ?", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : So it {disfmarker} so , um , it 's {disfmarker} it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , uh , and it {disfmarker} it is , uh , very close in performance to the best thing that was there before . Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh , {vocalsound} we didn't have any explicit noise , uh , handling {disfmarker} stationary {disfmarker} dealing with {disfmarker} e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal with stationary noise .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And now we do .", "PhD A : So will the {pause} neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering or the spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?", "Professor B : Well , so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so argu arguably , I mean , what we should do {disfmarker} I mean , I gather you have {disfmarker} it sounds like you have a few more days of {disfmarker} of nailing things down with the software and so on . But {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker} but , um , {vocalsound} arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we should for now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And then focus on {pause} everything that 's left . And I think , you know , that our goal should be by next week , when Hynek comes back , {vocalsound} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , really just to have a firm path , uh , for the {disfmarker} you know , for the time he 's gone , of {disfmarker} of , uh , what things will be attacked . But I would {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would thought think that what we would wanna do is not futz with this stuff for a while because what 'll happen is we 'll change many other things in the system ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : and then we 'll probably wanna come back to this and possibly make some other choices . But , um ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 65, "turns": [ 297, 483 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "power source , material , elasticity", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer commented that they needed a power source for the remote control, and it occurred to him that they could have two types of power sources, one would be the usual batteries that could be rechargeable and on the other hand they could be solar cells. Industrial Designer also talked about the material, plastic with some elasticity was needed so that it would not break and would have a double curve.", "title": "Component Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "power source , material , elasticity", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer commented that they could have two types of power sources for the remote control. Industrial Designer also talked about the material, plastic with some elasticity was needed.", "title": "Component Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "types of chips , speaker", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designer talked about the different types of chips, the basic chip, the normal chip and the advanced chip and stated that they would go for a regular chip for the remote control as price was an important factor. Also said that the regular chip was compatible with speakers, so this functionality could be used to track the mobile phone if it was lost. Industrial designer commented that the user should be predefined instead of having a volume control. And finally added that the chip would be in one of the limits of the casing so that it would be better heard.", "title": "Chips and Speakers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 96, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "types of chips , speaker", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designer talked about the different types of chips and stated that they would go for a regular chip. Also said that the regular chip was compatible with speakers.", "title": "Chips and Speakers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 96, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "additional devices , better market , fruit design , fruit collection", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer found that the user wanted to control more than one device with the same remote control, so suggested that the remote could have extra little things to control additional devices, and with this one could have a better market. User Interface agreed with Industrial Designer and added that if they were concentrating on a fruit design then they should sell a fruit collection as people liked to collect objects.", "title": "Control Additional Devices", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "additional devices , better market , fruit design , fruit collection", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested that the remote could have extra little things to control additional devices, and with this one could have a better market. User Interface agreed with Industrial Designer and added that if they were concentrating on a fruit design then they should sell a fruit collection.", "title": "Control Additional Devices", "relevant_turns": [ [ 110, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "question , chip , speaker , case , physical design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface questioned the chip's compatibility with speakers. Another question User Interface had was where they would place the chip to made sure the speaker could be heard from outside the banana. And he wondered if the speaker was really on the chip, then if it was too far from the case or the case was too thick, the speaker might not be heard. User Interface concluded that this should be accounted for in the actual physical design.", "title": "Questions About Chips and Speakers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 96, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "question , chip , speaker , case , physical design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface questioned the chip's compatibility with speakers, and whether the speaker was actually connected to the chip in some way or just a signal. Another question User Interface had was where they would place the chip to make sure the speaker could be heard from outside the banana. And he wondered if the speaker was really on the chip, then if it was too far from the case or the case was too thick, the speaker might not be heard. User Interface concluded that this should be accounted for in the actual physical design.", "title": "Questions About Chips and Speakers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 96, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "other materials , wood , plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial designer said there were many other materials for the remote like wood or titanium, but thought plastic was the most appropriate. User Interface commented that wood could be a elegant option and if you took a good quality wood and a bit of varnish you would be sure it wouldn't break. Lastly, the Project Manager felt that it was too expensive to do and that it was easier to make a banana out of plastic than out of wood.", "title": "Plastic or Wood?", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "other materials , wood , plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial designer and user interface commented that they could use wood as other material. Project Manager felt better option a plastic banana.", "title": "Plastic or Wood?", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "banana idea , pepper", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface questioned if they were sure about the banana idea. Marketing thought the banana shape wasn't really useful but a pepper would look good with the double curve, and told Project Manager that it would be fun, more than banana. Industrial designer commented that the banana was more manageable and Project Manager reaffirmed that it was really ergonomic, it fit the hand and had a lot of surface to place the controls.", "title": "Banana or Pepper?", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 47 ], [ 65, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "banana idea , pepper", "speaker": "User Interface , Marketing , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if they were sure about the banana idea. Marketing thought the banana shape wasn't really useful but a pepper would look good with the double curve. Industrial designer commented that the banana was more handier and Project Manager reaffirmed that it was really ergonomic, it fit the hand and had a lot of surface to put the controls.", "title": "Banana or Pepper?", "relevant_turns": [ [ 38, 47 ], [ 65, 88 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay , let's move on . So you're two ?", "Industrial Designer : That's right .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So this is going to be about the component design .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So first thing is we need power source for the remote control . So I was of the idea that we can have two kind of power supplies , one is the usual batteries which are there , they could be chargeable batteries if there's a basis station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells , when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it'll be pretty uh innovative kind . Then uh we need plastic with some elasticity so that if your {disfmarker} if the remote control falls it's not broken directly into pieces , there should be some flexibility in t", "User Interface : I guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . So there should {disfmarker} we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve . The s science for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve . Then controls for the traditionals u traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they don't feel that it's an alien thing for them .", "User Interface : So , just one second , when you say double curve , what do you actually mean ? You reckon you could like draw us a thing on the , on the whiteboard 'cause I'm not sure {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Double curve is , you have curves on both the sides if I'm right . So it's symmetrical kind of thing , whatever it is .", "User Interface : Okay , but like , kind of convex or concave ?", "Industrial Designer : So , it could be curve , so it could be convex , conve concave , depending on what what we want .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So there are flats , there are single curve and there are double curves .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : These are the three things , and there are different materials , with plastic you can have double curve but with uh certain other materials we cannot have double curve . So there there was uh there were many other materials like wood , titanium and all those things , but plastic is I think is the most appropriate one ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : it'll bring the cost down", "User Interface : Although , you know , wood could be uh quite a stylish uh option ,", "Industrial Designer : and anyway it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : if you take like , nice quality kind of wood that's got a nice grain and you kind of put some , some varnish on .", "Project Manager : Mm but i but there is no elasticity which could be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Wooden cases {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well it depends , I mean , you have the outs the wood itself is not gonna break so you don't have to worry too much about the case being broken ,", "Project Manager : Yeah but the components inside .", "User Interface : it's the inside . Yeah but inside you know you could have {disfmarker} you can still have some kind of cushioning that's not visible to the to the user .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Very {disfmarker} too expensive to do .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And also uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : And I mean you could also , you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well .", "Project Manager : Yeah but it's more easier to do a banana in plastic than uh in wood .", "User Interface : That's true , but are we set on the banana idea ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well it look like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Actually", "Project Manager : it looks like you are all targeting that", "Marketing : I was thinking that the", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : yeah ?", "Marketing : the shape of a banana is not it's not really handy .", "Project Manager : Yes it is .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh I don't know the name o o in English uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} This {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Is it an e apple which has {disfmarker}", "Marketing : it's not a fruit it's a vegetable .", "User Interface : It's like a pumpkin or {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah ? Pumpkin .", "Marketing : Green .", "Project Manager : Green .", "User Interface : Green .", "Project Manager : Um um um , yes I see .", "User Interface : What does it taste like ?", "Marketing : And you put in the salad .", "Project Manager : Pep pepperoni .", "User Interface : Ah yeah ,", "Marketing : Um", "User Interface : is it {disfmarker} what's it in French ?", "Project Manager : Poivron .", "Marketing : Oui c'est ca", "User Interface : Yeah , okay , so capsicum or pepper . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh pepper .", "Marketing : Pepper .", "Project Manager : But um they do d", "Marketing : And it's al it also suits with the double curve for easy of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I don't know , it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me , like", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : No , I mean in a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's not re it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} like with a banana you can have {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : you you think it's really fancy and fun ? You think that young people that are {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I'm sure it's fun . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . More than a banana ?", "Marketing : But banana is not so handy ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Banana is more handier as compared to this I think , and to capsicum .", "Marketing : I think that's handier .", "User Interface : But {gap} like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : and just roll it back and forth like that ,", "Project Manager : It's kind it's kind of {disfmarker} it's more uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : but with uh {disfmarker} I don't know how you would hold a capsicum and {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : it's really ergonomic , it's fit in the hand and you've a lot of surface to {vocalsound} to put the controls .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay let's move on .", "Marketing : Yeah you're right .", "Project Manager : So time is running , let's move on .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so push buttons for the traditional users so that they don't feel they are alienated , just {disfmarker} and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection , volume control and teletext browsing . These are the three scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we we can go ahead with that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we can go to the next slide . Then uh there are different kind of chips , one one is the basic chip and the regular chip and one an adva advanced chip . So we can have regular chip for control . Pricing is a factor for us , that's why we'll go for the regular chip . And uh regular chip supports speaker support , so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced .", "User Interface : So is that , when you say speaker support , you mean it just has some output pinned which which which kind of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It could be a beep kind of thing .", "User Interface : Okay , but the speaker is actually attached to the to the chip in some way , or is just the the signal ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes , yes , that's right , it's it's onto the chip ,", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : most most probably , not not hundred per cent sure about that .", "User Interface : Okay . So are there any issues where we place this this chip to make sure you can actually hear the the speaker from the outside of the banana ?", "Industrial Designer : That will be the volume control I think which which a user shou it it should be already pre-defined . It should be {disfmarker} whatever will be the case , the chip is always going to be sitting inside .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah , but the speaker , if the speaker is actually on the chip , then if it's too far away from the the casing , or if the casing is too thick , then you may not hear the the speaker .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Uh , so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : As {disfmarker} or as hearing is concerned , we can have some gap at some place ,", "User Interface : Yeah . So that's something we have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the the speaker close enough to the outside .", "Industrial Designer : so that {disfmarker} That's right . Okay . Yeah . So these these were the component selection and these things . We can go to the next slide . And uh these were the findings which I I saw with the web web , that user wants to have control more than one device {disfmarker} wants to control more than one device from the same remote control , so our T_V_ remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like V_C_R_ D_V_D_ players which are usually attached with the T_V_ , because users are like this and they don't want to have one remote control for everything , so with this additional little , we might be having slightly better market for us .", "User Interface : Although , if {disfmarker} It depends , if we like , if we are concentrating on like a fruit design , then maybe maybe we wanna sell a collection of fruit , you know , like a different fruit for each device .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Of fruits .", "User Interface : Cause that , you know , that {disfmarker} sometimes people like to collect um you know things that {disfmarker} of a similar type .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : S objects .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Remotes {disfmarker} objects , okay .", "Project Manager : Crazy objects .", "Marketing : I think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruits .", "User Interface : Well , {vocalsound} you're the one who wanted to do fruit in the first place .", "Marketing : No but I think just one fruit to control everything .", "User Interface : Like a power fruit .", "Marketing : A power fr a power M a Mando , a Supermando fruit {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And uh as well as I could see on the web the scroll button is becoming really uh hot thing s", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and we should have it on the remote .", "Project Manager : Okay , good .", "User Interface : Well {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Actually I I didn't understand very well this trace speaker lost control .", "Industrial Designer : So you're having a basis station . Okay . Your {disfmarker} usually your remote sits on that . So you {disfmarker} and it's {disfmarker} that's why it can have chargeable batteries . Now let's say {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So you you have to buy two things , the banana and the basis station .", "Project Manager : Bu it's it's {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Basis station is with the thing .", "Project Manager : You s you you {gap} thing .", "Industrial Designer : It's like a telephone handset is there and the basis station for the telephone hand set is there . So now what user gets additionally he doesn't have to buy batteries , they're rechargeable batteries , so over the period of cor time he'll recover the cost . So you're having the basis station and there is a button , if you press that button wherever the remote it'll start beeping so you know where the remote is . Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think that's a pretty handy feature .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : I think it's kind of {disfmarker} people would find that worth it even if it wasn't uh a recharging station , even if they didn't have to buy extra batteries , you know .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah but I'm a bit worried about the budget . {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Uh this is {disfmarker} basis station is nothing more , just it's a wire which is coming from the main cable and uh you're having one socket on which the thing sits .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Although you do need to include R_F_ kind of circuitry in the remote .", "Industrial Designer : That's right . But all these things are usually in-house so we don't have much problems .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : So component cost is going to be the least . Anyway , we are not using really advanced technology , L_C_D_ has already been ruled out , A_S_R_ has been ruled out . So it's the basic thing but very trendy and very user-friendly .", "User Interface : Okay . I'm just wondering actually , 'cause , you know , I {disfmarker} this whole fruit thing with the banana , it's um it seemed like {disfmarker} it first seems a bit kind of uh niche , like only a few people would really want a banana ,", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker}", "User Interface : but what if it was kind of uh a stylised banana ? You know , rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana , you could make it kind of silver . And um , you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely kitsch . {vocalsound} For better {disfmarker} want of a better word", "Project Manager : You think that yellow it's kitsch .", "User Interface : you know ?", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well , you know , I don I don't know how many peop", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : If you make something that looks like a banana it should have the colour of a banana .", "Marketing : Yeah . No , I I {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : A {disfmarker} yeah , otherwise it'll be mis means you don't get b any feeling then .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Well they {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : O otherwise {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Maybe li like that .", "Industrial Designer : It's neither a banana nor a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , like this colour this colour {disfmarker} Maybe , you know , maybe {disfmarker} like still in the shape of a banana .", "Project Manager : Roughly .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No , exactly .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Exactly . Um , but you know , just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of , you know {disfmarker} because the thing is it's gonna be a little bit difficult to make {disfmarker} um to give like the texture of a banana anyway and to k to have the exact shape . I think if you're gonna not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylised way that just looks a bit more kind of , you know , twenty first century rather than sixties or seventies .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . Let's move on .", "Industrial Designer : And uh going to the last slide .", "Project Manager : Uh uh {disfmarker} yeah . Before before st before ending the meeting I'd like to to draw some sketch about the pro future prot prototype .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Go for it .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Well no , not not you , you can finish your slides before {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Okay , so . Anyway , users'll be {disfmarker} so the findings is users'll be very interested in our locator device to find their misplaced remotes .", "Project Manager : Mm {vocalsound} okay .", "Industrial Designer : So that was very {disfmarker} I thought it's a very good suggestion by everybody .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : That's it .", "Project Manager : That's all ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 79, "turns": [ 13, 245 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber casing , materials", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "When the group talked about materials, Industrial Designer said titanium was not possible, it was beyond the budget, if they were going to use the anti-RSI, a rubber casing would be the best option, it would give more flexibility, they could choose the colour they wanted, also said rubber would be just external, it would be protective, it would try to reduce the impact in a fall.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion on Rubber Casing", "relevant_turns": [ 37, 51, 55, [ 57, 58 ], [ 61, 62 ], [ 67, 68 ], 70, 84, 86 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rubber casing , materials", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that a kinetic energy source was a novelty and attractive factor, so it didn't need an external battery supply or solar panel because it could produce its energy, among materials, titanium was not possible because it was beyond their budget, a rubber casing would be the best option if they were going to use the anti-RSI, and went more like a choice with aesthetics, it would give more flexibility because they could choose any colour they wanted, Project Manager was concerned about rubber casing could encapsulate delicate technology, but Industrial Designer said rubber would be just external, what was in contact with the human, sort of outer casing that was protective as well, so it would reduce the impact if it would drop it wouldn't be damaged so easily.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion on Rubber Casing", "relevant_turns": [ 37, 51, 55, [ 57, 58 ], [ 61, 62 ], [ 67, 68 ], 70, 84, 86 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "circuit board , chip", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they needed to look at how the remote control was actually made and what happened inside the casing, the electronics and the contacts with the power source, the main internal feature was the circuit board that contained the integrated circuit, also known as the chip.", "title": "Inside the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "circuit board , chip", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer did some research into the components they could use to make the remote control, said that the main internal feature was the circuit board that contained the electronics and the contacts with the power source, also explained that the integrated circuit, also known as the chip, contained the main information, they needed to consider the position in the circuit of the components such as diodes, transistors, resistors, and capacitors.", "title": "Inside the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy source , kinetic energy", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they had to get separately all the individual components, explained that there were a lot of possibilities for the energy source, a basic battery, a hand-powered dynamo, and even kinetic energy, which was something recently developed.", "title": "Remote Control's Energy Source", "relevant_turns": [ 6, [ 8, 12 ], 14, 16, 18 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy source , kinetic energy", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said there were a lot of possibilities for the energy source, even kinetic energy, which was something recently developed.", "title": "Remote Control's Energy Source", "relevant_turns": [ 6, [ 8, 14 ], 16, 18 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "kinetic energy , renewable energy , devices", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that kinetic energy was a new idea that was being used by some watches and other devices, those devices transformed kinetic energy into power to make the circuit work by shaking them up, said it was good to look into renewable energy, but they would have to make a lot of considerations for the casing such as the shape, the ergonomics and the size.", "title": "Looking For Renewable Energy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "kinetic energy , renewable energy , devices", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that it was good to look into renewable energy, explained that there were some devices that could be shaken to transform kinetic energy into power to make the circuit work.", "title": "Looking For Renewable Energy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , kinetic energy", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said titanium was not going to be possible, it was beyond their budget, said their research team had found multiple options for scroll buttons, with quite a flexible design, modern, and didn't have to use individual buttons, just slide up and down, but they had got the integrated pushbutton and it could be simple using a pushbutton, regular, with the scroll button or advanced with the LCD display, Industrial Designer also said they could go for the kinetic energy source because it was an advanced kind of technology, and it could be novelty factor and attractive as well.", "title": "Remote Control's Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 37, 45, 49, 51 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "buttons , kinetic energy", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, choice for buttons, scroll buttons, don't have to use individual buttons; got the integrated pushbutton, incorporate that with a scroll button as well; what type of buttons, and the inputs; personal preferences, go for the kinetic energy source, not been seen before, novelty factor, attractive, don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels.", "title": "Remote Control's Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 37, 45, 49, 51 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery , alternative", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said kinetic energy was scary because it hadn't been done before, they could add an alternative battery, in case something went wrong with the main battery.", "title": "Remote Control's Battery Backup", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 134 ], [ 137, 141 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery , alternative", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing, bit scary, hasn't been done before, have to do more research, could have a battery pack; one battery, because most remotes, two batteries; if it was running off of one battery, alternative, yeah", "title": "Remote Control's Battery Backup", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 134 ], [ 137, 141 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user interface , input data , operation", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said user interface had the commands used to control a system operation, graphical user interfaces emphasized the use of pictures for output, like a mouse for input data.", "title": "User Interface Theory", "relevant_turns": [ [ 209, 215 ], [ 221, 226 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user interface , input data , operation", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface explained what was a user interface, said it was the aspects of a computer system that could be seen by the human user, it had the commands the user used to control its operation and to input data.", "title": "User Interface Theory", "relevant_turns": [ [ 209, 215 ], [ 221, 226 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Should be just loading . {vocalsound} Okay . Oh , although I can't see it on my screen . That says go here . Okay . I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use , um what's available to us f to actually make the remote control . Um , first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made , and what is it happens inside the casing , which is more your field . Um , thes main internal feature is a circuit board , which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Which is not necessarily a battery , as we're about to see . Um , there are several components of , um , the circuit board that we need to consider , where we'll be getting them from , what they'll be made of . Um , including the integrated circuit , which is also known as the chip . Which is where all the main information is uh contained . Um , diodes , transistors , resonators , resistors , and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well . Um , and all their positioning in the circuit .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} Are they all included , like mandatorily , or r are these different options ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh , these , they're all different options , they're all separate , apart from the chip , which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple , a regular , advanced .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We can go into that later . Um , all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get in separately , and work out the most , like , effective um circuit , including all the wires and everything like that . And the L_E_D_ of course , that's a light emitting diode . So , we could , so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things , with that as well .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source . We could use a basic battery , but that brings with it , like they need to be recharged and the bulk , the size of it as well . And they're not so great to dispose of , environmentally . {vocalsound} There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches fifty years ago . A bit out of date . Kinetic energy is something that's been recently developed .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} What is a hand-powered dynamo ?", "Industrial Designer : Um , where you manually charge up the power .", "Project Manager : Just every , every once in a while ?", "Industrial Designer : Like you wind up something .", "Project Manager : Just every once in a while or constantly ?", "Industrial Designer : Sorry ? Yeah . Every once in a while I think", "Project Manager : Alright . It'd be kind of strange to always be cranking it I think .", "Industrial Designer : . But it's {disfmarker} Yeah . It would be like going a step back in time .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology .", "Project Manager : No . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices , where you just shake the device and it gives it power . I mean , the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work . Um , or there's solar power , which we've been considering inside a building , which is where it's gonna be used , might not be quite so useful .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : But , good to look into , renewable energy , always the way . Um , lots of considerations for the case , like what sort of shape it would be , curved or flat . That's got a lot to do with the ergonomics . Like how it's comfortable and s sits in the hand . We don't want something that's huge and you can't pick up . Or too small . Or too slidy . I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : 'cause it had so many buttons on , and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Because you can't really see which way round it is .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : Um , we also can choose what materials {disfmarker} um , the {disfmarker} we could use metal , we could use rubber which might be more um ideal for the anti-R_S_I_ . It's like the same sort of rubber that's used in stress balls and things like that , so it's very like soft , not so stressful on your hands .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Wood .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um , again , stepping back in time again there .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't think that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um , titanium is not gonna be possible , even though it just it beyond our budget really . But , would've been maybe for future projects . Um right our choice for buttons as well . We've developed some {disfmarker} we've got some good advances in technology , with our research team have found some uh new multiple um option scroll buttons . I think that was brought up for , um , {disfmarker} they're basically quite a flexible design , modern , you don't have to use individual buttons . You can just slide up and down . I'm sure we're all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um one thing with the scroll buttons though . It , it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : we would have to have an L_C_D_ um", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . That's true .", "Project Manager : display , and the glow in the dark thing might be difficult .", "Industrial Designer : And that would lead to an advanced {disfmarker} yeah . If we have {disfmarker} yeah . We're going on to that later with the advanc with the L_C_D_ that means we'd need a really advanced chip .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And it's unlikely that that's gonna be in our budget .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um , also we've got the integrated pushbutton , which is what we're most familiar with . It's the most straightforward . But you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well . {gap} . Got decisions to make there . And this is what I was just saying before . Linked in the different {disfmarker} depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs . Um simple would go with the pushbutton . Um , regular you could link with the scroll button . And the advanced we'd have to go with a L_C_D_ s display .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} My personal preferences ? I think we could go for the kinetic energy source . I don't , I think that's quite um an advanced kind of technology . It's not been seen before , so it could be quite a , a novelty factor , attractive as well . And also energy saving 'cause you're producing the energy , you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels . You just give it a shake .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Sounds brilliant to me .", "Project Manager : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : Rubber casing I thing would probably the best , if we're going for the anti-R_S_I_ and like more choice with um aesthetics . Like it could be pretty much any colour we want . Um , and gives you , yeah , more flexibility there . And probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : then we could possibly have the scroll and the push , but no L_C_D_ , 'cause we probably can't afford that one .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Um , one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these {vocalsound} chips and diodes and delicate technology as", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : like as the exterior . This is the one thing that's protecting its innards .", "Industrial Designer : I think that would , uh there would be an in sort of more internal casing . And the rubber would just be the , what's in contact with the human .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Another thing is it might be more difficult {disfmarker} if it's a rubber exterior {gap} talking about putting on interchangeable plates .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , is it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there . Like if it was sort of like a clip-on plastic plate . It would work that way .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe if the , um , if it was just kind of a , more of a rubber coating which was on to a case .", "User Interface : W", "Industrial Designer : So , it was kind of , the whole thing would be removable .", "User Interface : Like plastic with rubber , kind of on top", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like {disfmarker} I can't think of what .", "User Interface : Well , there's , there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Or like an {disfmarker}", "User Interface : b like a Nokia it is .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : you can get sort of outer casing for iPods and something , that's just {disfmarker} it's protective as well .", "User Interface : It's {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Like the skin ?", "Industrial Designer : It , it stops it , I mean ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something , as well , 'cause it wouldn't damage itself so easily .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Alright . So maybe the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think i maybe a mixture of both there , maybe .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So the actual remote would be hard plastic and the casings rubber .", "Industrial Designer : And then {disfmarker} yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : And the buttons obviously are rubber .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : That sounds good . I , um , is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber ?", "Industrial Designer : As far as I know . It should be .", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : we'll just say yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes , just why not .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Alright . I like the kinetic energy source idea .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , I don't know when people will , um , be moving a remote around a lot .", "Industrial Designer : I thought that was {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But I think that it's worth it , kinetety , kinetic um", "User Interface : Yeah , tha", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : energy source . It could make an we could have any kind of style .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It wouldn't be as heavy or bulky , and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Just for environmental reasons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I guess it's a bit scary 'cause it hasn't been done before .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So it seems {disfmarker} we'd have to do more research on it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Or I dunno if you could have a battery pack .", "Industrial Designer : Like as a backup for something .", "User Interface : Backup . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah so there's there is a one battery , because most remotes use two batteries I believe .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So , if it was running off of one battery as a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That would be good yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Some alternative just in case something went wrong .", "Marketing : Right .", "User Interface : Maybe we could {disfmarker} you were saying about um solar power ma maybe not working indoors , but a lot of calculators , yeah , have solar power .", "Industrial Designer : That's true . I just thought of that {gap} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : So maybe that could be incorporated as {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : May maybe that could be the backup .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Instead of a battery .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like solar backup .", "Marketing : Although it needs some light , doesn't it ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I suppose", "Project Manager : Yeah , you can watch a T_V_ in the dark then .", "User Interface : Do , do those calculators {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : s but some {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So , if we're doing {disfmarker}", "User Interface : yeah .", "Marketing : yeah . If we're {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But thing is , it's not {disfmarker} you don't need the solar all the time .", "User Interface : I don't know how it works .", "Industrial Designer : It can be stored . It can be like {disfmarker} you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like a few hours a day . {gap} .", "Project Manager : I think that might be a little impractical though .", "Marketing : Yeah . I think sometimes it's just shoved under , under a cushion ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's true . It could easily {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Like people don't wanna have to worry about that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think , oh no , I forgot to charge my remote today .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like if the kinetic thing , I think what's best about that is that it's instant energy .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You don't have to , you know , you can shake it a few times , or whatever .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And it works .", "Project Manager : Or just like pick it up when you're gonna use it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Instead of you don't have to like make sure it's in the right place to charge and {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah , I suppose .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Alright . Cool .", "Industrial Designer : K okay .", "Project Manager : 'S that the end of your presentation .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Alright .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Thank you .", "Industrial Designer : There we go .", "User Interface : Thanks . Oh . {vocalsound} It's not on my screen .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} it wasn't on mine either .", "User Interface : Why ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't know why . I think , I just , I just used the mouse on there .", "User Interface : You don't know why ? Oh okay . Is it that one ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Um , I'm just gonna go through the interface concept with yous now . Uh , first of all I'll explain what a user interface is . It's the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived , for example , heard or felt maybe , or {vocalsound} by the human user . And it's also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data . Um , there are two types of user interfaces . There's the graphical user interface , which emphasises the use of pictures for output and a pointing device , for example a mouse for input control . So that's sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about .", "Project Manager : Oh . Okay . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . I'm not really sure about the pictures that {disfmarker} maybe that's on an L_C_D_ screen .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Or maybe it's the the buttons or pictures or something . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Do you think it's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , 'cause {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So I suppose sometime {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I'm sorry ?", "Industrial Designer : after you . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um , because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard , so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard . You're pressing the numbers for , um , for what you want .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : So you must , for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I s I suppose where um mm on some buttons you would have {disfmarker} like the power would be s some kind of symbol .", "User Interface : Like an L_C_D_ screen .", "Industrial Designer : And if you wanted to go onto teletext or ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I know we're not having that , but I mean a similar thing ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : you , they have {disfmarker} there's a like little picture with a screen with lines across it , which {disfmarker} I suppose it's that sort of thing like the , the symbol on the button .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 51, "turns": [ 4, 18 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recap , last meeting", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about the discussion in the last meeting which was opened by the presentation. Industrial Designer talked about preferring a strong plastic, that was not using harmful materials, that was recyclable and colorful for the special case, it should have an integrated circuit board that was highly sophisticated and temperature resistant. Industrial Designer talked of a timer and or an alarm facility integrated. 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It should have a memory switch , a mute button in case the telephone rings or something . Uh speech recognition is one of her very f favourite personal uh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um in this new remote . Um . {vocalsound} Should be child friendly design with few buttons , colourful maybe with s star shaped or other shaped buttons . Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which she guarantees nobody will ever be able to lose .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And she was challenged on that point {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} that's right . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But uh her very f personal favourite really she , she would very much like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote . The industrial designer um presented her uh {vocalsound} thoughts on the issue . She would like a special case made out of plastic that is very strong , not using any harmful materials , should be recyclable and should be colourful . Should have an integrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant . She would like to see a timer and or alarm facility integrated . Uh technically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor , diode transistor , resonator , and if possible a rechargeable battery . Uh and of course a circuit board . And how it would works , you press the button , the chip is morse {disfmarker} morse code related relays the {disfmarker} uh to the generat to the generator amplification and uh the circuit board is very inexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : She would like uh {disfmarker} this whole thing should be push buttons with a simple chip uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practical anymore . Should be battery operated and of course she would have the special cases . The marketing expert uh who has to finally come up with {disfmarker} to to to market this product has been watching the competition , has done some research on the internet and also has used h her personal observations to come up with the fact that such a remote sh should be small , easy to use and it should be eye catching . From her point of view of course one of the most important facts is that we should get to market before our competition does . To do that uh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or in other words on which our campaign could be built on . Too many new features or too many points would only confuse matter . So we prefer to have one or two features that can be really uh driven home . Um it should have a fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel . She feels that's really what people want today . And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speech recogniser , the energy should be battery uh should be on a chip , should be trendy design , compact and strong , and should have buttons . And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes {disfmarker} from the last meeting . Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 46, "turns": [ 260, 273 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "grouping buttons", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that if they saw elderly people, when they bought a new TV, a totally different remote control with different functions on different places and half of the functions were removed was difficult for them to understand it. 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All th all the buttons which apply to the text functions in in one uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Different functions of of uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well , one area or whatever , not like the button to enter text on top of the remote control and the button to um , yeah , to minimise it to this this {vocalsound} {disfmarker} or whatever o o other functions {vocalsound} totally somewhere else .", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : I think we should group them .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And same for the for the volume buttons and the the t" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 26, "turns": [ 1, 15 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "apparatus", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface looked at the design from the user's point of view. Industrial Designer said there were three main questions and needed to find an answer to today", "title": "Industrial Designer's Questions on the Apparatus", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "apparatus", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface spoke about the technical design. Industrial Designer wanted to know what happened inside the apparatus what it was made of, and what it looked like", "title": "Industrial Designer's Questions on the Apparatus", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 14 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Good day .", "Marketing : Morning .", "Industrial Designer : Morning .", "Project Manager : I'll be your Project Manager for today , for this project . My name is Mark {gap} will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off . {vocalsound} That's my uh that's the agenda for today . Well , of course we're new to each other , so I'd like to get acquainted first . So let's do that first , I mean {disfmarker} Let's start with you , can you introduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert .", "Marketing : Yes . {vocalsound} Um my name is Dirk , Dirk Meinfeld . Um I will be uh {gap} Pr Project {disfmarker} the Marketing Expert . And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project {disfmarker} product . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , excellent . And you are User Interface {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Nick Broer ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : User Interface Designer . I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view .", "Project Manager : Excellent . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : My name is Xavier Juergens , I'm the Industrial Designer , and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today . First one is uh what happens inside the apparatus , second is what is uh the apparatus made of ,", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and the third is what should it look like .", "Project Manager : What should it look like ? Okay .", "Marketing : Hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 66, "turns": [ 109, 169 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "television , remote control , functions", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the remote control should only be used for television. Marketing said it should cover basic functions like changing volume or channel.", "title": "Remote Control Use", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 31 ], 36 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "television , remote control , functions", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager, the remote control should only be used for the television, otherwise the project becomes more complex, which endangers the time to market, and, would make it more costly; new product should reach a new market; according to, agenda, then time to take a decision on the remote control functions. Marketing, only the television. Project Manager, makes it a lot easier. Marketing, functions; the basics then by a volume, channel, one till two zero numbers on it; other functions.", "title": "Remote Control Use", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 31 ], 36 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new product , age group , recognizable , easier", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the new product needed to be for younger costumers, and the corporate image should stay recognizable, Project Manager said that it was easier to keep the remote control only with television functions.", "title": "Product Market and Corporate Image", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "new product , age group , recognizable , easier", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager Said that the new product needed to reach a new market with costumers younger than forty, rather than the previous market with consisted in the age group of forty plus. Project Manager said that it was very important to keep the corporate image recognizable using the corporate color and slogan implemented in the new design. Project Manager also said that it was easier to keep the new remote control functions only for television use.", "title": "Product Market and Corporate Image", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 22 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Oh right . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um , well thank you all , huh . {vocalsound} I dunno uh did everyone receive an email with uh the new project requirements ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No . Res I did not .", "Project Manager : No ? Well ,", "User Interface : Perhaps the rest ?", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : then I think it's a good thing that I made a separate slide of them", "Marketing : Ja , {gap}", "Project Manager : so you can all read them . Oh , well not in this presentation . Hmm", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Should be in there . Well , I can tell you them uh from my laptop . Um teletext does {disfmarker} has become outdated since the popularity of the internet .", "User Interface : Oh . Mm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So that's uh the first thing we I think we should pay less attention to uh teletext . Uh the remote control should only be used for the television , otherwise the project becomes more complex , which endangers the time to market , and of course would make it more costly , I think . Um our current customers are within the age group of forty plus , and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty , and you talked about that before . And uh a last point , but also very important , our corporate image should stay recognisable in our products , which means that our uh corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design . So we have to keep that in mind . Um well uh according to our agenda it's then time to take a decision on the remote control functions . So , who has any idea about what should be on it , and what shouldn't ?", "User Interface : Well you said it should only uh work with one appliance ?", "Marketing : Be television .", "User Interface : Or with one uh d che only the T_V_ ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Only be used for television .", "User Interface : And the video also , or not uh ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well it says only for television here , huh .", "Marketing : Only the television .", "User Interface : Oh . Alright . Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Makes it a lot easier , huh ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : So yeah , then you can yeah . Requirements , no ? Functions .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Then it should have uh on , off ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah for {disfmarker}", "User Interface : and uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Standby options ,", "Marketing : Yeah , the basics then by a volume , channel , one till two zero numbers on it ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah ? Uh yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . And per perhaps uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : oh teletext doesn't have to be ?", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : Um other functions .", "User Interface : Well uh uh yes yes s sh A button where you can uh change from one number to two numbers .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah I had {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Two s two two digits ,", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Can you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : oh okay .", "User Interface : Don't know if that's got a name ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I understand what you mean . Yeah .", "User Interface : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I think it's I think it's easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that , because some T_V_s , if you press the t one and then the two , it be between five secs it make twelve ,", "Industrial Designer : It makes it twelve , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . S", "Industrial Designer : Indeed . Okay .", "Marketing : and that's that's not relaxed", "Industrial Designer : Well , not really {vocalsound}", "Marketing : to user .", "Industrial Designer : And and there are some models that don't uh accommodate that function . So", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : d uh wh the Philip's television makes it possible in that indeed to uh press one and then two to make uh the uh tj to reach channel twelve .", "Marketing : So that it {vocalsound} easy and fast .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But uh all the television makes uh use of those button where you first press that button and then press two digits to uh to get", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah , so you should have that one on ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 4, "turns": [ 357, 525 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spectral subtraction", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD D said that was trying other spectral subtraction into the code on the mel energies that had already been tested, but for some reason without a frame dropping even though it was very important to have it. The team needed to know when the spectral subtraction would be done and which option was better. Professor C said it might work better if they had already done some simple spectral subtraction, or the other way around, also said that the simple spectral subtraction could be followed by a KL transform, and then add noise. After reviewing literature on speech enhancement applied to large vocabulary tasks, PhD A said spectral subtraction wasn't for large vocabulary tasks, and if simple spectral subtraction was used, some optimization would be needed to make it work.", "title": "Spectral Subtraction in the Code", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ], 41, 57, 71, 124, 143 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spectral substraction", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD D, it would be a very simple spectral subtraction, on the, mel energies, already tested but without the frame dropping. PhD F, spectral subtraction typically done, after the mel, or, done on the FFT bins? Professor C, maybe it would work better if, simple spectral subtraction; followed by a KL transform; spectral subtraction, then add noise. PhD A, spectral subtraction doesn't seem to be the thing to do for large vocabulary tasks, if, have to use simple spectral subtraction, may have to do some optimization. Professor C, didn't do spectral subtraction, were doing, multi-stream.", "title": "Spectral Subtraction in the Code", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ], 41, 57, 71, 124, 143 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "person in Grenada", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Cepstral domain was worked by Jose Carlos Segura, located in Grenada, a friend of PhD B, who Professor C didn't know.", "title": "Team in Grenada", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 100 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "person in Grenada", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD D said there was a way to use VTS to get rid of the noise and channel effect. Professor C asked who worked that. PhD D said one person in Grenada. PhD B said it was a friend, Jose Carlos Segura.", "title": "Team in Grenada", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 100 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Wiener filter", "speaker": "Professor" }, "summary": "Professor C said it could be a process of two steps; a subtraction followed by KL and Wiener filter. It was important not to orthogonalized when noisiness was still on the sample. Part of the conversations professor C and Herve were having was about multi bands stuff or groups and the conversion into cepstral coefficient. Professor C said that it wouldn't be great for it if it was noisy.", "title": "Wiener Filter to Avoid Noisiness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 51, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Wiener filter", "speaker": "Professor" }, "summary": "Professor C, simple spectral subtraction, followed, KL transform; Wiener filter, multi-band, groups of bands, local cepstral coefficients, not that great, noisy.", "title": "Weiner Filter to Avoid Noisiness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 51, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fft bins", "speaker": "PhD D , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD D said that one question was if spectral subtraction was done after the mel or if it was done on the FFT bins, in case the team wouldn't make up its mind, then both could be done. PhD A said that doing it for speech recognition might not be very different, since the result would be a linear weighting. Certainly results might be different, but needed to know about the pros and cons.", "title": "Differences Between FFT Bin and Mel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 5 ], [ 7, 9 ], [ 11, 12 ], [ 14, 15 ], [ 18, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fft bins", "speaker": "PhD D , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD D asked about spectral subtraction, PhD A said it wouldn't be different if it was done on mel warped or on FFT bins.", "title": "Differences Between FFT Bin and Mel", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 5 ], [ 7, 9 ], [ 11, 12 ], [ 14, 15 ], [ 18, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "weiner filter", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor C" }, "summary": "PhD A explained to Professor C Weiner filter was used to review if a permutation worked, both agreed a cascade process would be done with KL and Weiner.", "title": "Using Cascade Process vs SNR Conditions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 45, 47 ], [ 49, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "weiner filter", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor C" }, "summary": "PhD A said signal subspace approach had actually an in-built Wiener filtering. It was like a KL transformed to Wiener filter. So, the different advantages of combining two things came up from the signal subspace approach. It wouldn't work with SNR quality, which was very bad. SNR worked in very poor conditions, and in colored noise. Professor C understood a simple subtraction would be followed by other steps.", "title": "Using Cascade Process vs SNR Conditions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 45, 47 ], [ 49, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech enhancement", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A wondered about the speech enhancement stages, because part of the team said 1 stage, but some others said 2, this would help with some improvements like cleaning the noise once again. This kind of activities would give inspiration to other PhD's so this would benefit the processes.", "title": "Stages of Speech Enhancement Technique", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "speech enhancement", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A, everybody, to have a mod two stages of speech enhancement in all the proposals, really giving them some improvement. PhD A, something, good about doing it, to cleaning it up once more.", "title": "Stages of Speech Enhancement Technique", "relevant_turns": [ [ 24, 39 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor C : Uh , So What else is going on ?", "PhD D : Mmm . You Yeah . We are playing {disfmarker} we are also playing , trying to put other spectral subtraction mmm , in the code . Um , it would be a very simple spectral subtraction , on the um , mel energies which I already tested but without the um frame dropping actually , and I think it 's important to have frame dropping if you use spectral subtraction .", "PhD F : Is it {disfmarker} is spectral subtraction typically done on the {disfmarker} after the mel , uh , scaling or is it done on the FFT bins ?", "PhD D : Um ,", "PhD F : Does it matter , or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : I d I don't know . Well , it 's both {disfmarker} both uh , cases can i", "PhD F : Oh .", "PhD D : Yeah . So - some of the proposal , uh , we 're doing this on the bin {disfmarker} on the FFT bins ,", "PhD F : Hmm .", "PhD D : others on the um , mel energies . You can do both , but I cannot tell you what 's {disfmarker} which one might be better or {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Hmm .", "PhD A : I guess if you want to reconstruct the speech , it may be a good idea to do it on FFT bins .", "PhD D : I don't know . Yeah , but", "PhD F : Mmm .", "PhD A : But for speech recognition , it may not . I mean it may not be very different if you do it on mel warped or whether you do it on FFT . So you 're going to do a linear weighting anyway after that .", "PhD F : I see .", "PhD A : Well {disfmarker} Yeah ?", "PhD F : Hmm .", "PhD A : So , it may not be really a big different .", "PhD D : Well , it gives something different , but I don't know what are the , pros and cons of both .", "PhD A : It I Uh - huh .", "Professor C : Hmm .", "PhD A : So", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD A : The other thing is like when you 're putting in a speech enhancement technique , uh , is it like one stage speech enhancement ? Because everybody seems to have a mod two stages of speech enhancement in all the proposals , which is really giving them some improvement .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I mean they just do the same thing again once more .", "Professor C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : And {disfmarker} So , there 's something that is good about doing it {disfmarker} I mean , to cleaning it up once more .", "PhD D : Yeah , it might be .", "PhD A : Yeah ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : so we can {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So maybe in my implementation I should also try to inspire me from this kind of thing", "PhD A : Yeah . That 's what", "Professor C : Well , the other thing would be to combine what you 're doing .", "PhD D : and {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor C : I mean maybe one or {disfmarker} one or the other of the things that you 're doing would benefit from the other happening first .", "PhD A : That 's wh Yeah . So ,", "Professor C : Right , so he 's doing a signal subspace thing , maybe it would work better if you 'd already done some simple spectral subtraction , or maybe vi maybe the other way around ,", "PhD D : Yeah , mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : you know ?", "PhD A : So I 've been thinking about combining the Wiener filtering with signal subspace ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I mean just to see all {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} some such permutation combination to see whether it really helps or not .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor C : How is it {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess I 'm ignorant about this , how does {disfmarker} I mean , since Wiener filter also assumes that you 're {disfmarker} that you 're adding together the two signals , how is {disfmarker} how is that differ from signal subspace ?", "PhD A : The signal subspace ? The {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : The signal subspace approach has actually an in - built Wiener filtering in it .", "Professor C : Oh , OK .", "PhD A : Yeah . It is like a KL transform followed by a Wiener filter . Is the signal is {disfmarker} is a signal substrate .", "Professor C : Oh , oh , OK so the difference is the KL .", "PhD A : So , the {disfmarker} the different {disfmarker} the c the {disfmarker} the advantage of combining two things is mainly coming from the signal subspace approach doesn't work very well if the SNR is very bad . It 's {disfmarker} it works very poorly with the poor SNR conditions , and in colored noise .", "Professor C : I see . So essentially you could do simple spectral subtraction , followed by a KL transform , followed by a", "PhD A : Wiener filtering . It 's a {disfmarker} it 's a cascade of two s", "Professor C : Wiener filter . Yeah , in general , you don't {disfmarker} that 's right you don't wanna othorg orthogonalize if the things are noisy . Actually . Um , that was something that uh , Herve and I were talking about with um , the multi - band stuff , that if you 're converting things to from uh , bands , groups of bands into cepstral coef you know , local sort of local cepstral coefficients that it 's not that great to do it if it 's noisy .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . OK . Yeah . So .", "Professor C : Uh , so .", "PhD A : So that {disfmarker} that 's one reason maybe we could combine s some {disfmarker} something to improve SNR a little bit , first stage ,", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : and then do a something in the second stage which could take it further .", "PhD D : What was your point about {disfmarker} about colored noise there ?", "PhD A : Oh , the colored noise uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : the colored noise {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the v the signal subspace approach has {disfmarker} I mean , it {disfmarker} it actually depends on inverting the matrices . So it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} ac the covariance matrix of the noise . So if {disfmarker} if it is not positive definite ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I mean it has a {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} It doesn't behave very well if it is not positive definite ak It works very well with white noise because we know for sure that it has a positive definite .", "Professor C : So you should do spectral subtraction and then add noise .", "PhD A : So the way they get around is like they do an inverse filtering , first of the colo colored noise", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : and then make the noise white ,", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : and then finally when you reconstruct the speech back , you do this filtering again .", "PhD D : Yeah , right .", "Professor C : I was only half kidding . I mean if you {disfmarker} sort of {vocalsound} you do the s spectral subtraction , that also gets rid {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : and then you {disfmarker} then {disfmarker} then add a little bit l noise {disfmarker} noise addition {disfmarker} I mean , that sort of what J {disfmarker} JRASTA does , in a way .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : If you look at what JRASTA doing essentially i i it 's equivalent to sort of adding a little {disfmarker} adding a little noise ,", "PhD A : Huh ? Uh - huh .", "PhD D : Uh - huh .", "Professor C : in order to get rid of the effects of noise .", "PhD A : So .", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD D : Yeah . Uh , yeah . So there is this . And maybe we {disfmarker} well we find some people so that {vocalsound} uh , agree to maybe work with us , and they have implementation of VTS techniques so it 's um , Vector Taylor Series that are used to mmm , {vocalsound} uh f to model the transformation between clean cepstra and noisy cepstra . So . Well , if you take the standard model of channel plus noise , uh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's a nonlinear eh uh , transformation in the cepstral domain .", "Professor C : Mm - hmm . Yes .", "PhD D : And uh , there is a way to approximate this using uh , first - order or second - order Taylor Series and it can be used for {vocalsound} uh , getting rid of the noise and the channel effect .", "Professor C : Who is doing this ?", "PhD D : Uh w working in the cepstral domain ? So there is one guy in Grenada ,", "PhD B : Yeah , in Grenada one of my friend .", "PhD D : and another in {pause} uh , Lucent that I met at ICASSP .", "Professor C : Who 's the guy in Grenada ?", "PhD D : uh ,", "PhD B : Uh , Jose Carlos Segura .", "Professor C : I don't know him .", "PhD A : This VTS has been proposed by CMU ?", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Is it {disfmarker} is it the CMU ? Yeah , yeah , OK .", "PhD B : Yeah , yeah , yeah . Originally the idea was from CMU .", "PhD A : From C .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Professor C : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : Well , it 's again a different thing {vocalsound} {vocalsound} that could be tried . Um ,", "Professor C : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : Mmm , yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah , so at any rate , you 're looking general , uh , standing back from it , looking at ways to combine one form or another of uh , noise removal , uh , with {disfmarker} with these other things we have ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : uh , looks like a worthy thing to {disfmarker} to do here .", "PhD D : Uh , yeah . But , yeah . But for sure there 's required to {disfmarker} that requires to re - check everything else , and re - optimize the other things", "Professor C : Oh yeah .", "PhD D : and , for sure the on - line normalization may be the LDA filter . Um ,", "Professor C : Well one of the {disfmarker} seems like one of the things to go through next week when Hari 's here ,", "PhD D : I {disfmarker}", "Professor C : cuz Hari 'll have his own ideas too {disfmarker} or {pause} I guess not next week ,", "PhD D : Uh - huh .", "Professor C : week and a half , uh , will be sort of go through these alternatives , what we 've seen so far , and come up with some game plans . Um . You know . So , I mean one way would {disfmarker} he Here are some alternate visions . I mean one would be , you look at a few things very quickly , you pick on something that looks like it 's promising and then everybody works really hard on the same {disfmarker} different aspects of the same thing . Another thing would be to have t to {disfmarker} to pick two pol two plausible things , and {disfmarker} and you know , have t sort of two working things for a while until we figure out what 's better ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : and then , you know , uh , but , w um , uh , he 'll have some ideas on that too .", "PhD A : The other thing is to , uh {disfmarker} Most of the speech enhancement techniques have reported results on small vocabulary tasks . But we {disfmarker} we going to address this Wall Street Journal in our next stage , which is also going to be a noisy task so s very few people have reported something on using some continuous speech at all . So , there are some {disfmarker} I mean , I was looking at some literature on speech enhancement applied to large vocabulary tasks and spectral subtraction doesn't seems to be the thing to do for large vocabulary tasks . And it 's {disfmarker} Always people have shown improvement with Wiener filtering and maybe subspace approach over spectral subtraction everywhere . But if we {disfmarker} if we have to use simple spectral subtraction , we may have to do some optimization {pause} to make it work @ @ .", "Professor C : So they 're making {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} Somebody 's generating Wall Street Journal with additive {disfmarker} artificially added noise or something ?", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor C : Sort of a {disfmarker} sort of like what they did with TI - digits , and ?", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah , OK .", "PhD A : I m I guess Guenter Hirsch is in charge of that . Guenter Hirsch and TI .", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD A : Maybe Roger {disfmarker} r Roger , maybe in charge of .", "Professor C : And then they 're {disfmarker} they 're uh , uh , generating HTK scripts to {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah , I don't know . There are {disfmarker} they have {disfmarker} there is no {disfmarker} I don't know if they are converging on HTK or are using some Mississippi State ,", "Professor C : Mis - Mississippi State maybe ,", "PhD A : yeah . I 'm not sure about that .", "Professor C : yeah . Yeah , so that 'll be a little {disfmarker} little task in itself .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Um , well we 've {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's true for the additive noise , y artificially added noise we 've always used small vocabulary too . But for n there 's been noisy speech this larv large vocabulary that we 've worked with in Broadcast News . So we we did the Broadcast News evaluation", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : and some of the focus conditions were noisy and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}", "PhD A : It had additive n", "Professor C : But we {disfmarker} but we didn't do spectral subtraction . We were doing our funny stuff , right ? We were doing multi multi uh , multi - stream and {disfmarker} and so forth .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : But it , you know , we di stuff we did helped . I mean it , did something .", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor C : So . Um , now we have this um , meeting data . You know , like the stuff we 're {comment} recording right now ,", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor C : and {disfmarker} and uh , that we have uh , for the {disfmarker} uh , the quote - unquote noisy data there is just {disfmarker} noisy and reverberant actually . It 's the far field mike . And uh , we have uh , the digits that we do at the end of these things . And that 's what most o again , most of our work has been done with that , with {disfmarker} with uh , connected digits .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor C : Um , but uh , we have recognition now with some of the continuous speech , large vocabulary continuous speech , using Switchboard {disfmarker} uh , Switchboard recognizer ,", "PhD A : Yeah . OK .", "Professor C : uh , no training , {vocalsound} from this , just {disfmarker} just plain using the Switchboard .", "PhD A : Oh . You just take the Switchboard trained {disfmarker} ? Yeah ,", "Professor C : That 's {disfmarker} that 's what we 're doing ,", "PhD A : yeah .", "Professor C : yeah . Now there are some adaptation though ,", "PhD A : OK . Yeah . That 's cool .", "Professor C : that {disfmarker} that uh , Andreas has been playing with ,", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor C : but we 're hop uh , actually uh , Dave and I were just talking earlier today about maybe at some point not that distant future , trying some of the techniques that we 've talked about on , uh , some of the large vocabulary data . Um , I mean , I guess no one had done {disfmarker} yet done test one on the distant mike using uh , the SRI recognizer and , uh ,", "PhD F : I don't {disfmarker} not that I know of .", "Professor C : Yeah , cuz everybody 's scared .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : You 'll see a little smoke coming up from the {disfmarker} the CPU or something {vocalsound} trying to {disfmarker} trying to do it ,", "PhD F : That 's right", "Professor C : but uh , yeah . But , you 're right that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's a real good point , that uh , we {disfmarker} we don't know yeah , uh , I mean , what if any of these ta I guess that 's why they 're pushing that in the uh {disfmarker} in the evaluation .", "PhD A : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 60, "turns": [ 5, 138 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control prototype", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface thought that was another type of plastic and the material of the cover was like the iPod covers material. Project Manager thought that the control was vertical on the base.", "title": "Group Discussion about Remote Control Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 26 ], 30, [ 66, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control prototype", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer showed the control prototype, User Interface thought that was a light grey lightweight plastic and the material of covers was like iPod covers. Project Manager thought that control was vertical on the base because of that, they broadened the base.", "title": "Team Discussion about Remote Control Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 26 ], 30, [ 66, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cover , remote control prototype", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface thought that the material of covers was like the material of iPod covers.", "title": "Group Opinion of the Covers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "cover , remote control prototype", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface thought that the material of covers was rubbery that stretched over and probably helped to protect like the material of iPod covers.", "title": "Group Opinion of the Covers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "details , remote control prototype", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that the control prototype was molded to the shape of the hand, on the left was the scroll for the volume, and on the right was the buttons for the channel up and down, the power key was the biggest, and had a microphone for all the voice commands.", "title": "Industrial Designer Control Remote Prototype Details", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "details , remote control prototype", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; moulded to the; shape of your hand; on the left we've got the scroll for the volume, on the right we have buttons for the channels; the power key; it's kinda like the biggest.", "title": "Industrial Designer Control Remote Prototype Details", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 11 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Uh okay we basically have the same kinda lay-out here it's just um you hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand , basically . Um on the left we've got the scroll for the volume , on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda {disfmarker} so you can hold it and scroll , or you can hold it and and push .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh this is the power key , um it's kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : Uh that's the little menu key . This is the infra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that it can send it ,", "Project Manager : Yep ,", "Industrial Designer : or if you hold it up like that it'll send it .", "Project Manager : yeah , good , good .", "Industrial Designer : Uh we got a microphone there which for all the voice commands", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : so you can you know talk to it like that", "Project Manager : Yep ,", "Industrial Designer : and it'll still understand .", "Project Manager : right .", "Industrial Designer : Um the logo is down down there um", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : and {gap} has the cover on it", "User Interface : S", "Industrial Designer : and you can see like it just kinda goes {disfmarker} the red bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everything", "Project Manager : Yep , yep ,", "Industrial Designer : and then there's holes for the buttons to come through . Um .", "Project Manager : mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic ,", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : just kind of a light {vocalsound} non-descript grey", "Project Manager : Yep yep .", "User Interface : so that people'll wanna buy the covers", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers ,", "Project Manager : {gap} showing me age ,", "User Interface : so they kinda just stretch over .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : I don't know what i c iPod covers are like .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah , well", "Project Manager : Yeah {gap} yeah .", "User Interface : I I didn't know that but yeah they're kind of {disfmarker} it's just kind of a rubbery {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : and that way {disfmarker} you know", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "User Interface : spongy like is something that people wanted", "Project Manager : yep , right .", "User Interface : and it just sort of stretches over", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile covers", "User Interface : and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you . This is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourself", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : just kinda stretch it over", "Industrial Designer : and it'll be fine .", "Project Manager : Okay , good yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : and it'll just stay on", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : and then the buttons come through and so {disfmarker} and then the {disfmarker} each one of 'em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the R_R_ .", "Project Manager : Yep , right .", "Industrial Designer : Li that'll be {gap} the covers as well , yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I mean tha it's it's a detailed point , I just wondered {disfmarker} I mean h how will people put these down I wonder ?", "User Interface : Like that .", "Project Manager : Right . Okay {gap} for some strange re reason I had it in my mind that they'd put them down vertically", "Industrial Designer : Yeah it could stand , yeah .", "Project Manager : but uh uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh .", "Industrial Designer : Well we could broaden the {disfmarker} broaden it out a bit", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , uh no", "Industrial Designer : so it would stand like that .", "Project Manager : because {gap} particularly if they've dif if they're gonna have it as a you know as a fashion item", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , {gap} standing .", "Project Manager : uh I mean it it's uh it it's just I mean it's just a minor detailed point , but um as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger and uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we could just widen it out uh", "Project Manager : Yeah and uh it just needs another uh another logo somewhere is is is is all it gives gives people the option and if if say if they've got them um {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Mm .", "Project Manager : because {gap} actually have several {gap} upon the uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Could have one for your stereo , one for your {gap} D_V_ player .", "Industrial Designer : Mm , yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Have to {disfmarker} if we just lengthen it I guess", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah", "Industrial Designer : so it comes down to the base of the hand", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : but that that's uh {disfmarker} but uh", "User Interface : just kind of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and then flatten it out", "Project Manager : no", "Industrial Designer : and could sit there .", "Project Manager : the the the overall uh the overall concept is uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , {vocalsound} mm .", "User Interface : Or just make it little .", "Project Manager : yeah yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Somewhere like that", "Project Manager : no no , I mean that's {disfmarker} these uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : so it just sort of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : We might {gap} have to lengthen it", "Marketing : Yeah I kinda had a a kinda {disfmarker} a natural kind of a idea", "Industrial Designer : so it kinda {disfmarker} your hand still holds it and have it there ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , yeah , yeah like that , like that {gap} . Yeah .", "Marketing : where it's like more of a kind of {disfmarker} like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner ,", "User Interface : Bu", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah , kinda like that kinda {gap} like a flower or a plant", "Project Manager : But uh yeah {disfmarker} but no th but the {disfmarker} yeah the the the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : for the more natural kinda {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah , yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} The final product would actually stand up , yeah {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : I mean it it's uh {disfmarker} wouldn't", "User Interface : {gap} fall over .", "Project Manager : wouldn't do that , indeed yeah . But th th but th yeah th b the", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : these were all minor minor uh minor details ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think the uh the basic concept i i is is absolutely bang on", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : {gap} . 'S a little longer .", "Project Manager : and the {disfmarker} i", "Industrial Designer : Wee {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : it certainly meets our criteria of being uh {disfmarker} of you know looking different .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um , so", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : good that's that that's excellent .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 23, "turns": [ 399, 598 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "process , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if there was room for creativity. Industrial Designer agreed it was creative. User Interface said the prototype making was stimulating. The process was very democratic and everyone could contribute. Project Manager disliked its own leadership at times, but User Interface disagreed with the Project Manager. Project Manager liked to work with the team. Marketing added the process and cooperation blended in together. The team had ideas and no spats happened. Tools used during the process were not to the team's liking, especially Power Point and pens. Microphones were good while sitting down but they were clumsy.", "title": "Production Process of Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 12 ], [ 15, 18 ], [ 27, 31 ], [ 36, 39 ], 116, 122, [ 138, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "process , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about creativity. User Interface said the prototype making was. The process was democratic, everyone contributed. Project Manager liked to work with the team. No spats happened. Tools were not too much to the team's liking.", "title": "Summary of the Process", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 12 ], [ 15, 18 ], [ 27, 31 ], [ 36, 39 ], 116, 122, [ 138, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leadership , process , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked opinions about leadership during the process saying that it was crappy. Industrial Designer said all that mattered was said and it contained information about start and end. User Interface said the Project Manager did fine and did a good job while leading the team.", "title": "Leadership of Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "leadership , process , project", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked how was leadership and said thought it was crap. The others said Project Manager did a good job.", "title": "Thoughts on Leadership", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation materials , convenience", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface didn't really think they were helpful and made-up stuff and also didn't like the PowerPoint presentations. User Interface said to have preferred writing a lot of notes instead. Industrial Designer agreed with User Interface. Industrial Designer said they were pretty cool although it was hard to write with them. User Interface thought the microphones were okay when used while sitting down but clumsy when going up to the whiteboard. Industrial Designer agreed microphones dropped off while moving.", "title": "Team's Report About Presentation Materials", "relevant_turns": [ 36, [ 52, 59 ], [ 116, 122 ], [ 138, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "presentation materials , convenience", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface and Industrial Designer didn't think they were helpful and made up their own stuff, didn't like the PowerPoint presentations, preferred writing notes instead. Industrial Designer said pens were pretty cool but it was hard to write with them. User Interface and Industrial Designer thought the microphones dropped off while moving.", "title": "Convenience of the Materials Used During Production", "relevant_turns": [ 36, [ 52, 59 ], [ 116, 122 ], [ 138, 139 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pens", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said pens were cool but hard to write with, and nicer compared to ones being used because they made stuff show up there.", "title": "Pen Preferences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 116, 122 ], 128 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "pens", "speaker": "Project manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked opinion about pen used while production process. Industrial Designer answered pens were hard to write with but cool and convenient because there was no need to look at the screen and write.", "title": "Quality of Pens", "relevant_turns": [ [ 116, 122 ], 128 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "microphones", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "After Project Manager asked, User Interface and Industrial Designer said microphones were clumsy to use if moving.", "title": "Quality of Microphones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 131, 141 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "microphones", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked ideas about microphone usage. User Interface said it was only okay when you were sitting down. Industrial Designer agreed and mentioned they were easy to drop off.", "title": "Quality of Microphones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 131, 141 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Mm . {vocalsound} Not really {disfmarker} Well we've done finance evaluation criteria , production evaluation . {vocalsound} Um so project evaluation .", "Marketing : Do you want this and we can all {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No .", "Project Manager : I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied {disfmarker} oh , oh it's alright . Uh . Yeah .", "Marketing : It's alright yeah ?", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Sure .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I did .", "Project Manager : I mean fruit and squishiness . How c more creative can you get ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Sponginess . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : The prototype making was very creatively stimulating", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : And how was our leadership and teamwork ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I think it was good . We knew what we were doing . It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute .", "Project Manager : Well I thought my leadership was crap personally .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well you told us when to start and when to end , and that's all that matters .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Excuse me , am I allowed to say that ? Yeah . {vocalsound} Um .", "User Interface : I think you were fine .", "Project Manager : Yeah , well I'm never gonna do a management position , I know that now .", "User Interface : You did a good job leading .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um yeah , I thought we all worked very well together .", "Marketing : Yeah we didn't {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} uh it all c sort of blended quite well .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much , as we just would be like {vocalsound} I don't know , all had ideas about it but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Very democratic . No spats , that was good .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um and the means for like {disfmarker} the materials we used , how convenient were they ? Like the the pens , the whiteboard ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I mean we used {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft , PowerPoint or any of this stuff .", "Project Manager : Are you a Mac person ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No no I never touch Macs either .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I just use the Unix or the off market , sort of WordPerfect and all these other things .", "Project Manager : Huh .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : Which isn't very user-friendly though . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} Well the problem is if you don't {disfmarker} like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it . So I have all these documents I can't use now . But yeah I mean I guess it's okay .", "User Interface : I felt like my {disfmarker} I dunno if it was just my role , but l but uh I di I thought that my {disfmarker} the information that was available to me was kind of just like {disfmarker} or maybe it was just the idea that we had . But there's kinda {disfmarker} it was kinda like okay , I don't really think {disfmarker} I dunno what I'm doing here .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : So I didn't really think it was helpful . So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally , {vocalsound} think it's kinda stupid .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I never use it .", "User Interface : Yeah but uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I can't say I found everything particularly helpful . Like I {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : It didn't really {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : It {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works .", "Marketing : I though it was brilliant no ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Really ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think .", "Project Manager : I mean m my problem {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah it probably does .", "User Interface : So like a f", "Marketing : I think it depends on the role", "Project Manager : yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah I think so .", "Marketing : no ?", "Project Manager : 'Cause my problem was , you guys had access to like {disfmarker} they'd put {disfmarker} send you to sites and stuff right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : See I couldn't do that , so I didn't really know what you guys were doing . And when you were talking about it I was just like {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : 'cause I {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : As if you'd wanted to .", "Marketing : Yeah . But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um", "Project Manager : System . Yeah .", "Marketing : a whole system ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : 'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah I mean , it {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Well I think it's interesting how it all went together , like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap , and you have how people want it to be spongy , and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , huh .", "Industrial Designer : It seems planned you know .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah I kinda thought that um {disfmarker} I felt like I would go and like try to use my information , or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : because {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I dunno I felt like I was off-task all the time . But um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like {disfmarker} we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : No . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So it's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : If I hadn't been told that fruit was {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But I think that {vocalsound} it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing .", "Project Manager : Oh right . given certain information or {disfmarker} Just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , like if everyone's given the same input {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : I don't have a clue , anyway .", "Project Manager : Mm , mm .", "Marketing : Um what's next ? Looks like {disfmarker} oh no that's not um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What do you guys think of the pens ?", "Marketing : It's quite {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It asks about that .", "Industrial Designer : They're pretty cool .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : I wanna s", "Industrial Designer : They're kinda hard to write with though .", "Project Manager : Yeah", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and I I've f forgotten once or twice to {vocalsound} check the box . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : They're nicer than the pen that I'm using , because like your stuff actually shows up here , rather than having to look at the screen and write .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : But even so , I dunno .", "Project Manager : And new ideas found ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah it's all very new ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : no ? It's all very new .", "User Interface : Yeah I think I'd like to um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I dunno . Like it was {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Sorry .", "User Interface : I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down , but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're {disfmarker} like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah . Well they drop off if you like move too much .", "User Interface : Yeah I dunno . But they're they're okay .", "Industrial Designer : But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones . Maybe we are .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I don't know . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Uh I think , and I think that uh all this technology like {disfmarker} I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Well the thing is , like I actually worked in a company ,", "User Interface : or like {disfmarker} I dunno .", "Industrial Designer : and I had a role and I had to go to meetings . And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting . Like usually I missed meetings deliberately .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : There's just {disfmarker} there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting , like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's mostly like rehashing old stuff .", "User Interface : Hm .", "Industrial Designer : And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's like the {disfmarker} there's just really not a lot of information that goes through .", "Project Manager : Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration .", "Industrial Designer : It seems like way overkill .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I guess it would be {disfmarker} it's gotta be worth it to {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} 'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful , 'cause can't really imagine , dunno . How about a p {vocalsound} a {gap} {vocalsound} ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um I dunno .", "Project Manager : Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Any other ideas for {disfmarker}", "Marketing : What what's the end ? Are we are we supposed to um {disfmarker} you supposed to write a report ? Or we ending ?", "Project Manager : Um we still have time if there's any other input .", "Marketing : Is that the end ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I mean the {disfmarker} I think we did really well personally , which is why we've you know , gone through this so quickly . 'Cause I mean we've all {disfmarker} we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory , it fits the budget , and it's trendy .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So . Um .", "Marketing : End of meeting . You have to tell her , she {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So I think that's all for today . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay we have to fill in all this stuff .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} M meeting adjourned .", "Marketing : Stuff stuff stuff .", "Project Manager : Meeting adjourned .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think it would be a good idea , I like it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention . Especially if you have food .", "Project Manager : So I guess we're supposed to write final reports . 'Cause {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : All of us ?", "Project Manager : I don't know . Hmm .", "Marketing : Well there's al eight , nine .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Ooh . Oh ooh .", "Project Manager : Hmm . Or is that just me ? {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 119, 125 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "opinions , specialist teacher-training qualification , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans said he noticed, it had started to work well when sports lecturers had taken the Welsh bac had put it in the context of sports curriculum. It had gotten to be contextualised in order to work. Nick Brazil said the number of skills and the number of challenges that were done within the Welsh bac was done similarly within the vocational qualification as well.", "title": "Dafydd Evans and Nick Brazil's View on Teacher Training Qualification", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "opinions , specialist teacher-training qualification , Welsh bac", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans noticed, that training qualification had started to work well when sports lecturers had taken the Welsh bac on board. It had to be contextualised, and for the vocational lecturers to do that they had invested heavily in training. Nick Brazil said that the number of the skills and the number of challenges that were done within the Welsh bac was done very similarly within the vocational qualification as well. As a result, a number of those staff had already gotten those skills and that work was being repeated twice, because of the nature of the qualification.", "title": "Training Qualification in the Context of Welsh Bac", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "introduce , specialist teacher training qualification", "speaker": "Dafydd Evans" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans noticed, it had started to work well when sports lecturers had taken the Welsh bac on board and had put it in the context of sports curriculum. It wasn't going to be success.", "title": "Contextualised Training", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "introduce , specialist teacher training qualification", "speaker": "Dafydd Evans" }, "summary": "Dafydd Evans couldn't say a definitive yes or no to training qualification but noticed, it had started to work well when sports lecturers had taken the Welsh bac on board and had put it in the context of the sports curriculum. It had got to be contextualised.", "title": "Conditions for Training Qualification", "relevant_turns": [ 1 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "introduce , specialist teacher training qualification", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil said the number of skills and challenges were done similarly within the vocational qualification as well. So some of those staff had already gotten those skills. Sometimes, that work was being repeated twice because of the nature of the qualification.", "title": "Vocational Qualification according to Nick Brazil", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "introduce , specialist teacher training qualification", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil; skills; challenges; Welsh bac; similarly; staff; skills; repeated twice; nature of the qualification.", "title": "Qualification's Trap", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] } ], "source": [ "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you, Chair. A lot of this has been covered, actually, but just on those final points there, I'm wondering whether you think that introducing a specialist teacher-training qualification to deliver the Welsh bac\u00a0would actually help in some way in improving its status and perception and so on. What do you think about that?", "Dafydd Evans : I'm not assured in terms of\u2014yes, training is required regarding the Welsh bac, but where we are seeing it more successfully is where vocational lecturers have actually taken it on board. When we were bringing lecturers from outside\u2014'Welsh bac\u00a0specialists' in inverted commas\u2014it was not working well. It has started to work well when our sports lecturers have taken the Welsh bac on board and have put it in the context of the sports curriculum. Therefore, no, I think that if it's going to be a success, it's got to be contextualised, and for the vocational lecturers to do that, and we've invested heavily in training those vocational lecturers to understand how to deliver the Welsh bac\u00a0and get positive outcomes of the Welsh bac\u2014. It's been an intensive staff development process.", "Nick Brazil : And I think you've got to bear in mind that the number of the skills and the number of challenges that are done within the Welsh bac\u00a0are done very similarly within the vocational qualification as well. So, a number of those staff have already got those skills and they're undertaking that. I suppose when it comes to the word 'credibility' used in terms of the qualification, yes, I'm sure it would raise that focus on it, but ultimately, it's taking away from the fact that we have got staff who've got those skills and they're developing them within other elements of the vocational qualifications they're doing. Something we were talking about earlier on is the fact is that, sometimes, that work is being repeated twice, because of the nature of the qualification.", "Dawn Bowden AM : And have you got dedicated time? Because one of the things we picked up from schools was that teachers in particular were kind of fitting it in with other lessons, and therefore, it wasn't being, again, given the same perceived level of importance as doing A-levels were. But your lecturers would all have dedicated time to deliver\u2014", "Kay Martin : On their timetables, yes. And as you say, industry specialists delivering some of those things put them more into context.", "Ed Evans : I was just going to add there, really, if you want to raise the profile amongst parents in particular, if you've got that\u00a0far clearer link between businesses coming in to deliver this\u2014. Apologies, I'd almost forgotten that we were in the Colegau thing, I was thinking 'schools' actually [Laughter.] But in terms of bringing those businesses into schools in a structured way, not an ad-hoc way, which is just a friend turning up to talk about something, a structured way\u2014. We have a programme under way at the moment called 'contextualising the curriculum' in the sector that we hope to roll out. Now, if that was rolled out across the board\u2014I'm not saying that it makes it easier for teachers in particular, but they are going to struggle to deliver some of these commercial and world-skilled, global areas, because it's not their bag. So, bring in\u00a0some experts, bring in some business, raise the profile, and I think then, possibly, you'll start to get parents thinking, 'Actually, there is something more to this than just the academic bit.'", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. I think all my other points have been answered, Chair. Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 79, "turns": [ 363, 428 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "trend-watching , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing spoke of having a shorter report and it took a while to get it. The report was about trend-watching, so they could live up to their purpose of having a fashionable remote control. The method used by Marketing was mainly web-based research that time around. Marketing talked of listing the three most important aspects that came up and talked of the recent fashion update, according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan, was that the most important theme for clothes, shoes, and furniture was fruit and vegetables.", "title": "Report and Most Important Aspects About the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "trend-watching , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing; the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel, this should be our priority. The second most important aspect is the remote control should be technologically innovative. And the third is that the remote control should be easy to use.", "title": "Report and Most Important Aspects About the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "strawberry", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing talked of seeing a lot of purses with olives on them. Industrial Designer suggested taking a more abstract design, they looked at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables then strip them down to really basic shapes. Industrial Designer talked of a strawberry seed or a leaf. They could make it quite abstract, if that fit in more with what they were doing, instead of fruits and vegetables.", "title": "Deciding on the Fruit and Vegetable Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "strawberry", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; Like looking at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables. And then strip it down to like really basic shapes. I mean we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry, but it could have the curves of a strawberry or something. Marketing; The essence of strawberry.", "title": "Deciding on the Fruit and Vegetable Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 43 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Alright . {vocalsound} I have a shorter report for you today . Um , it took a while to get this , uh {disfmarker} Uh .", "Industrial Designer : You're not plugged in yet .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That's a very good point .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay , so um , this report is about uh trend-watching . Um , basically so we can live up to our , our uh purpose of having a very fashionable remote control . Sorry . There we go . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , just so you know , my method was mainly web web-based research this time around . I also spoke with fashion experts in Milan , New York and Paris . And I looked at the design reports from previous years , here at Real Remote . Um , just so c we can work off of them , see how fashions have changed . Um , {vocalsound} so I'll list the three most important aspects that I've come across . Um , and they , they're each more important than the one that comes after it . Uh , the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look-and-feel . Um , this should be our priority , as we've been saying . The second most important aspect is that a remote sh that the remote control should be technologically innovative . So , I think we've done a lot of talking about that , just with lighting and the buttons and the {disfmarker} face-plates . Um , so it looks like we'll be able to keep on track with that . And the third most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use . {vocalsound} So , pretty basic there . And the recent fashion update , uh , according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan , is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes and furniture . {vocalsound} Um , also , in contra uh in contrast to last year , the feel of the material is expected to be spongy . Again , we've already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons . Um {disfmarker} So , my personal preferences here , um of course , as {disfmarker} we , we've already talked about the personal face-plates in this meeting , and I'd like to stick to that . The fruits and vegetable themes , I don't know if that's going to work for us . It sounds something that you'd use on kitchenware .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : I don't know if we wanna do it on remotes .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It could be one of the options .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen . Um , the temporary light-up idea , sounds like we're gonna stick to that . And then , uh , tying in a trendy look with user-friendliness .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , it's the fruits and vegetables is the only area that I find rather jarring . Everything else we can really , we can really", "Industrial Designer : It is strange .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : um , do , according to our plans already , given the market . But fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea for a remote control .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} It's , it's a little {gap} but it , it's everywhere .", "Industrial Designer : Well {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So maybe we {disfmarker} I've seen a lot of purses with olives on them , you know .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : But I I think , I think if we stick to T_V_ based , you know , maybe T_V_ shows , or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But they still need to um fit into people's decor though .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Or colour schemes .", "Industrial Designer : We {disfmarker} I think we possibly could take a more abstract design .", "Marketing : Right .", "Industrial Designer : Like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables . And then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes . I mean we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry , but it could have the curves of a strawberry , or something .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Or a strawberry seed or a leaf .", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : The {disfmarker} The essence of strawberry . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Or just like you know really make it a quite abstract , if that's fits in more with what we're doing . Instead of fruits and vegetables ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : just {disfmarker} if you look at it straightforward , it's a bit {disfmarker} yeah . It doesn't s quite fit in with the trendy {disfmarker} well , obviously it does , if that's the current theme .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But {vocalsound} may maybe we could go more directly , I don't know .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But initially , I dunno . I think if we just sort of tone it down a bit .", "Project Manager : Tone it down . Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah and like not , not {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I guess , yeah .", "Project Manager : like more like photos of fruit , on , on our product .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "User Interface : Or banana-shaped . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : One thing I was thinking though is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting , we talked about our favourite animals .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So maybe there could be animal-based , you know . Because a lot of people have a house cat . Or , or a dog .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Um , that might be getting , you know , too specific , and we should see what the success of the first face-plates are . But it's something to keep in mind .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And , did you have any questions ? Pretty straightforward ?", "Project Manager : Yeah um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 4, "turns": [ 686, 792 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lpc polynomial", "speaker": "Professor C , Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E found the roots of the LPC polynomial used to track the peaks in PLP LPC spectra. PhD A asked if that was the aligned spectral pairs and why the results PhD A had found were not the same as Professor C's. Then Professor C said that the results were obtained by finding the roots of the LPC polynomial. Professor C stated that the technique they were playing with initially was taking the LPC polynomial to find the roots and not PLP. Grad E added that the LPC polynomial would have real coefficients since it was a real signal.", "title": "Using LPC Polynomial Technique", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 53 ], 65 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lpc polynomial", "speaker": "Professor C , Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E found the roots of the LPC polynomial used to track the peaks in PLP LPC spectra in an attempt to see how energy moves over time in a spectrum. PhD A asked if that was the aligned spectral pairs and why the results PhD A had found were not the same as Professor C's. Then Professor C said that the results were obtained by finding the roots of the LPC polynomial. Professor C stated that the technique they were playing with initially was taking the LPC polynomial then finding the roots and not PLP. Professor C added that Hynek hadn't invented PLP yet and most people called the results formats while sometimes they were not. Grad E said that the LPC polynomial would have real coefficients since it was a real signal.", "title": "The Use of LPC polynomial to Obtain Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 53 ], 65 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spectral pairs", "speaker": "Professor C" }, "summary": "Grad E found the roots of the LPC polynomial used to track the peaks in PLP LPC spectra. PhD A asked if that was the aligned spectral pairs and Professor C responded saying it was root LPC of some sort. PhD A then asked if the results were like line spectral pairs. Professor C responded by saying what they call line spectral pairs were pushed towards the unit circle.", "title": "Defining Spectral Pairs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "spectral pairs", "speaker": "Professor C" }, "summary": "Grad E found roots of the LPC polynomial used to track peaks in PLP LPC spectra using PLP LPC coefficients. PhD A asked if that was aligned spectral pairs. Professor C responded saying results were obtained by finding roots of the LPC polynomial. PhD A asked if the results were like line spectral pairs. Professor C responded by saying what they call line spectral pairs were pushed towards the unit circle and PhD A agreed.", "title": "Discussion on Spectral Pairs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "synthesizer", "speaker": "Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E stated that the synthetic speech was created from a synthesizer. Professor C said it might have been a formant synthesizer that Grad E didn't have control over. Grad E said there was no good reason not to obtain formant frequencies from the synthesizer except that one lacked the psycho-acoustic modeling in that. Professor C stated that ordinarily, in a formant synthesizer, the bandwidths, as well as the ban formant centers, were considered.", "title": "Discussion on Formant Synthesizer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "synthesizer", "speaker": "Grad E" }, "summary": "PhD F asked why formants couldn't be obtained directly if the speech was synthetic and how it was created. Grad E responded that it was created from a synthesizer. Professor C said it might have been a formant synthesizer that Grad E didn't have control over. Grad E said there was no good reason not to obtain formant frequencies from the synthesizer except that one didn't have the psycho-acoustic modeling in that. Professor C stated that ordinarily, in a formant synthesizer, the bandwidths, as well as the ban formant centers, were considered.", "title": "Use of a Synthesizer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "coefficients", "speaker": "Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E found the roots of the LPC polynomial used to track the peaks in PLP LPC spectra using PLP LPC coefficients. Grad E stated that every root with a real signal would have an LPC polynomial with real coefficients thus, every root that was not a real root would be a complex pair.", "title": "Using Coefficients", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 41 ], [ 46, 48 ], [ 57, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "coefficients", "speaker": "Grad E" }, "summary": "Grad E found roots of the LPC polynomial that track peaks in PLP LPC spectra using PLP LPC coefficients, every root with a real signal would have LPC polynomial with real coefficients, the opposite would be a complex pair.", "title": "PLP and LPC Coefficients", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 41 ], [ 46, 48 ], [ 57, 65 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD F : Mmm .", "Grad G : Oh . It looked {disfmarker} OK , never mind . Um , yeah . And so , this {disfmarker} this past week um , I 've been uh , looking a little bit into uh , TRAPS um , and doing {disfmarker} doing TRAPS on {disfmarker} on these e events too , just , um , seeing {disfmarker} seeing if that 's possible . Uh , and um , other than that , uh , I was kicked out of I - house for living there for four years .", "Professor C : Oh no . So you live in a cardboard box in the street now", "Grad G : Yeah .", "Professor C : or , no ?", "Grad G : Uh , well , s s som something like that .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad G : In Albany , yeah . Yeah . And uh . Yep . That 's it .", "Professor C : Suni - i d ' you v did uh {disfmarker} did you find a place ?", "PhD A : Uh , no", "Professor C : Is that out of the way ?", "PhD A : not yet . Uh , yesterday I called up a lady who ha who will have a vacant room from May thirtieth and she said she 's interviewing two more people . So . And she would get back to me on Monday . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's only thing I have and Diane has a few more houses . She 's going to take some pictures and send me after I go back . So it 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker}", "Professor C : OK .", "PhD F : Oh . So you 're not down here permanently yet ?", "PhD A : No . I 'm going back to OGI today .", "PhD F : Ah ! Oh , OK .", "Grad G : Oh .", "Professor C : OK . And then , you 're coming back uh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Uh , i I mean , I {disfmarker} I p I plan to be here on thirty - first .", "Professor C : Thirty - first ,", "PhD A : Yeah , well if there 's a house available or place to {disfmarker}", "Professor C : OK .", "Grad G : Thirty - first .", "Professor C : Well , I mean i i if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah , I hope .", "Professor C : They 're available , and they 'll be able to get you something , so worst comes to worst we 'll put you up in a hotel for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for a while", "PhD A : Yeah . So , in that case , I 'm going to be here on thirty - first definitely .", "Professor C : until you {disfmarker} OK .", "Grad E : You know , if you 're in a desperate situation and you need a place to stay , you could stay with me for a while . I 've got a spare bedroom right now .", "PhD A : Oh . OK . Thanks . That sure is nice of you . So , it may be he needs more than me .", "Grad G : Oh r oh . Oh no , no . My {disfmarker} my cardboard box is actually a nice spacious two bedroom apartment .", "Professor C : So a two bedroom cardboard box . Th - that 's great .", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Professor C : Thanks Dave .", "Grad G : yeah", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Um ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor C : Do y wanna say anything about {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you actually been {disfmarker} Uh , last week you were doing this stuff with Pierre , you were {disfmarker} you were mentioning . Is that {disfmarker} that something worth talking about , or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad E : Um , it 's {disfmarker} Well , um , it {disfmarker} I don't think it directly relates . Um , well , so , I was helping a speech researcher named Pierre Divenyi and he 's int He wanted to um , look at um , how people respond to formant changes , I think . Um . So he {disfmarker} he created a lot of synthetic audio files of vowel - to - vowel transitions , and then he wanted a psycho - acoustic um , spectrum . And he wanted to look at um , how the energy is moving {pause} over time in that spectrum and compare that to the {disfmarker} to the listener tests . And , um . So , I gave him a PLP spectrum . And {disfmarker} to um {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he t wanted to track the peaks so he could look at how they 're moving . So I took the um , PLP LPC coefficients and um , I found the roots . This was something that Stephane suggested . I found the roots of the um , LPC polynomial to , um , track the peaks in the , um , PLP LPC spectra .", "PhD A : well there is aligned spectral pairs , is like the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} Is that the aligned s", "Professor C : It 's a r root LPC , uh , of some sort .", "PhD A : Oh , no .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : So you just {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : instead of the log you took the root square , I mean cubic root or something . What di w I didn't get that .", "Professor C : No , no . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's taking the {disfmarker} finding the roots of the LPC polynomial .", "PhD A : Polynomial . Yeah . Is that the line spectral {disfmarker}", "Professor C : So it 's like line spectral pairs .", "PhD A : Oh , it 's like line sp", "Professor C : Except I think what they call line spectral pairs they push it towards the unit circle , don't they ,", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Professor C : to sort of ? But it {disfmarker} But uh , you know . But what we 'd used to do w when I did synthesis at National Semiconductor twenty years ago , the technique we were playing with initially was {disfmarker} was taking the LPC polynomial and {disfmarker} and uh , finding the roots . It wasn't PLP cuz Hynek hadn't invented it yet , but it was just LPC , and uh , we found the roots of the polynomial , And th When you do that , sometimes they 're f they 're what most people call formants , sometimes they 're not .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor C : So it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's a little ,", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor C : uh {disfmarker} Formant tracking with it can be a little tricky cuz you get these funny {vocalsound} values in {disfmarker} in real speech ,", "PhD F : So you just {disfmarker} You typically just get a few roots ?", "Professor C : but .", "PhD F : You know , two or three ,", "Professor C : Well you get these complex pairs .", "PhD F : something like that ?", "Professor C : And it depends on the order that you 're doing , but .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : Right . So , um , if {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} Every root that 's {disfmarker} Since it 's a real signal , the LPC polynomial 's gonna have real coefficients . So I think that means that every root that is not a real root {comment} is gonna be a c complex pair ,", "PhD F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad E : um , of a complex value and its conjugate . Um . So for each {disfmarker} And if you look at that on the unit circle , um , one of these {disfmarker} one of the members of the pair will be a positive frequency , one will be a negative frequency , I think . So I just {disfmarker} So , um , f for the {disfmarker} I 'm using an eighth - order polynomial and I 'll get three or four of these pairs", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Grad E : which give me s which gives me three or four peak positions .", "Professor C : This is from synthetic speech , or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad E : It 's {disfmarker} Right . Yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah . So if it 's from synthetic speech then maybe it 'll be cleaner . I mean for real speech in real {disfmarker} then what you end up having is , like I say , funny little things that are {disfmarker} don't exactly fit your notion of formants all that well .", "PhD F : How did {disfmarker}", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} but mostly they are .", "PhD D : But", "Professor C : Mostly they do .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Grad E : Mmm ,", "Professor C : And {disfmarker} and what {disfmarker} I mean in {disfmarker} in what we were doing , which was not so much looking at things , it was OK", "PhD D : I {disfmarker}", "Professor C : because it was just a question of quantization . Uh , we were just you know , storing {disfmarker} It was {disfmarker} We were doing , uh , stored speech , uh , quantization .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} but uh , in your case um , you know {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Actually you have peaks that are not at the formant 's positions , but they are lower in energy", "Grad E : But {disfmarker} there 's some of that , yes .", "PhD D : and {disfmarker} Well they are much lower .", "PhD F : If this is synthetic speech can't you just get the formants directly ? I mean h how is the speech created ?", "Grad E : It was created from a synthesizer , and um {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Wasn't a formant synthesizer was it ?", "Professor C : I bet it {disfmarker} it might have {disfmarker} may have been", "Grad E : I {disfmarker} d d this {disfmarker}", "Professor C : but maybe he didn't have control over it or something ?", "Grad E : In {disfmarker} in fact w we {disfmarker} we could get , um , formant frequencies out of the synthesizer , as well . And , um , w one thing that the , um , LPC approach will hopefully give me in addition , um , is that I {disfmarker} I might be able to find the b the bandwidths of these humps as well . Um , Stephane suggested looking at each complex pair as a {disfmarker} like a se second - order IIR filter .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad E : Um , but I don't think there 's a g a really good reason not to um , get the formant frequencies from the synthesizer instead . Except that you don't have the psycho - acoustic modeling in that .", "Professor C : Yeah , so the actual {disfmarker} So you 're not getting the actual formants per se . You 're getting the {disfmarker} Again , you 're getting sort of the , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : You 're getting something that is {disfmarker} is uh , af strongly affected by the PLP model . And so it 's more psycho - acoustic . So it 's a little {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} It 's sort of {disfmarker} sort of a different thing .", "PhD F : Oh , I see . That 's sort of the point .", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} Yeah . i Ordinarily , in a formant synthesizer , the bandwidths as well as the ban uh , formant centers are {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor C : I mean , that 's {disfmarker} Somewhere in the synthesizer that was put in , as {disfmarker} as what you {disfmarker}", "Grad E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : But {disfmarker} but yeah , you view each complex pair as essentially a second - order section , which has , uh , band center and band width , and um , um {disfmarker} But . Yeah . O K . So , uh , yeah , you 're going back today and then back in a week I guess ,", "PhD A : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 25, "turns": [ 386, 451 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked if the remote control would be wooden or plastic, but plastic was more common, if it would have a classic pushbutton or some LCD button, considering that LCD buttons were unlighted during the night, also asked if the battery would be like a classical battery or what kind of alimentation it would have, electric alimentation or solar energy alimentation, having both would really increase the production price, but it would be compensated in the final product for the added value.", "title": "Prototype's Industrial Design", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4, 10, 12, 23, 30 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, wooden remote control or plastic remote control, classic pushbutton or some button like LCD button, unlighted during the night, which kind of alimentation, electric alimentation, solar energy alimentation, battery like the classical battery, having them both, add a little bit of the price.", "title": "Prototype's Industrial Design", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 4, 10, 12, 23, 30 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "classical battery , solar energy alimentation , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "It would be an added value to have electric alimentation and solar energy alimentation battery, especially in cities far from the cities where you could put it on the sun, and it would be recharged after an hour, it would attract ecological consumers.", "title": "Prototype's Energy Alimentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "classical battery , solar energy alimentation , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, discuss which kind of alimentation, electric alimentation, solar energy alimentation, battery like the classical battery, for the alimentation it would be good to have both of them, some country, far from the cities, if you have solar alimentation, when you want to have recharge, you just put it on the sun, after one hour you can come, something interesting, attract all the ecological consumers, an added value to the remote control.", "title": "Prototype's Energy Alimentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "material , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said plastic was common and resistant, wooden material was a special high class, putting fashion in electronics.", "title": "Prototype's Material", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], [ 29, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "material , industrial design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said it would be wooden remote control or a plastic remote control. The plastic material was more common, impersonal, very resistant, wooden material and a special high class. They wanted to put fashion in electronics and try to do something with wood even if it was not completely wood.", "title": "Prototype's Material", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], [ 29, 43 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker} so . So I {disfmarker} in fact the the {disfmarker} f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so will {disfmarker} it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one . So and {vocalsound} in which which which kind will be the the different bu button ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so it can be some , you know , classic pushbutton like this one , or you have also some button like L_C_D_ where you know , the button the buttons are unlighted during the night ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : or , you know , you can see them in the darkness .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation , electric alimentation do you want to have , so will it be for example uh d uh solar energy alimentation", "User Interface : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : or will it be a battery like the classical battery so . And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have uh both of them , so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from , you know , the cities uh for example in some place in in S Senegal , so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation , you just , when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker} so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it , for example .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think it's an added value to the remote control", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah , yeah mm .", "Project Manager : and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers", "Industrial Designer : Ecologists , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : and but about the the price of adding this solar battery , would it be something really that will increase the price of production more ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : no ?", "Industrial Designer : Alrigh In fact , having them both will {disfmarker} if we want to have battery , regular battery and and {vocalsound} the solar energy battery it could be {disfmarker} it'll it will add a little bit of the price ,", "Project Manager : So .", "Industrial Designer : but it will be an added value also that will be compensated ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : so hmm .", "Project Manager : And what tha what about the uh materials ?", "Industrial Designer : And the materials , it depends for example you {disfmarker} if you have a wooden material it can be more {disfmarker} the plastic material is more common", "Project Manager : Impersonal , mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : it's very resistant but , you know , something wooden will be like , I don't know high cl so a special high class ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Special for {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : or you know , you can have some {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , and i if you {disfmarker} we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , even if it is not completely wood , but just a part of the , you know , will be wooden , in wood", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : and it can be interesting .", "Project Manager : Mm okay , seems to be interesting , mm .", "Industrial Designer : And so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap integrated cir circuits , chips , or do you have low level or or very very expensive , it depends , but I think that low level will be , you know , it is an interim module .", "Project Manager : Yeah , we want something easy to use and {disfmarker} so I think maybe something very low level wou would be enough .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : And you think that we will be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I think it will fit on the price we want , twel twelve Euros ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : so .", "Project Manager : So wood .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Project Manager : And what about the buttons ?", "Industrial Designer : I think the buttons I pr I prefer , you know , the L_C_D_ you know {vocalsound} lighted buttons because , you know , it's {disfmarker} I don't know {vocalsound} um yeah , in the dark , it's fashion", "Project Manager : No it's fashion , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch T_V_ in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost , you know in the darkness it's very easy so , right .", "Marketing : What about the touch scr touch screen ? For example . It's it's expensive I I guess .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I think a touch screen {vocalsound} will be t as expensive as the L_C_D_ buttons so .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} And it is a kind of other design , I mean . It can also be interesting to have this kind of {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So you got email ?", "Project Manager : I dunno . {vocalsound} I think we have only {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh five minutes left .", "Marketing : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 31, "turns": [ 1, 15 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "conceptual design meeting , best remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager kicked off the conceptual design meeting where the goal was to create the best remote control available. There was information from interviews with a hundred different remote users and some statistics to backed basically what they were thinking before. People thought their remotes were ugly, made a lot of noise, used a finite number of buttons, and were easily lost. There was a mixed type of response in voice recognition, with the younger ones saying they wanted it and the older ones saying they didn't. They also felt that the expense was not necessarily worth it. With all this information it was established that it should be a user-oriented remote, something simple, just a TV remote and that they should focus on the appearance of the remote. It was concluded that the design of the remote control had to be something that would fit easily in someone's hand, with a few buttons, just the basics and a scroll function as well.", "title": "Conceptual Design Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "conceptual design meeting , best remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager, conceptual design meeting, need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control; decided that, need to use company colours, company logo; information from interviews with a hundred different remote users, statistics that backed basically, thinking before. People thought their remotes were ugly, that remotes zap a lot, they only use a finite amount of buttons, easy to lose a remote; would, make it simple, some sort of locator, either a button or tracking device; should look different; mixed response on the speech recognition, younger people, wanted it, older people did not; should be a user-oriented remote, energy source, batteries, something simple, just have a TV remote, infrared controls.", "title": "Conceptual Design Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Right . Okay . Alright . Is everyone here ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yep . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : Okay . This is our conceptual design meeting . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'll just take a few minutes and uh go through the previous minutes . Um then each of you will have your presentation , um and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control . And then we'll have uh forty minutes for finishing up . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'll go through the mee through the minutes first . Um , we just refreshed our our uh goal of making the finest remote control available .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um we decided that , or we know that we need to use company colours , company logo . Um {vocalsound} and our Marketing Expert uh gave us some i uh information from interviews with a hundred different remote users . Um with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before . People thought their remotes were ugly , um um that remotes zap a lot . Um they only use uh a finite amount of buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um and that they often lose the {disfmarker} it's easy to lose a remote . Um which were all things we were thinking we would {disfmarker} wanna make it simple . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And uh some sort of locator . Either a button or tracking device . Um {disfmarker} And that it should look different than what's out there . Um {disfmarker} Kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition . The younger people said they wanted it , older people did not . Um uh I think we decided that um the expense was not necessarily worth it , and that it was probably a gimmick , that um would increasingly wear on the consumers' nerves . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Then the User Interface Designer um explored some of the technical functions of the remote . Um the simple versus the um the complex . The simple one being better for a user , the complex better for an engineer . Um {disfmarker} Um and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user-oriented remote , something simple . Um and that we didn't wanna go with a universal remote , because uh increasing cost and increasing complexity . Um we would just have a T_V_ remote . Um and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote . Have it s be something that looks different . And finally our um Industrial Designer uh gave us a rundown of how the remote will work . Um from energy source , um uh what we would use . Batteries because we don't wanna have a a cable . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} How that would power the remote and the lamp . If we were to to have one . Uh um the user interface then would connect to a chip , {vocalsound} which would work with the infrared controls uh to send the signal to the T_V_ . Um {disfmarker} I believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um something that will fit into uh easily into someone's hand . {vocalsound} And with a , just a few buttons . Just the basics . And with a scrolling um function also . Okay and I will leave that , leave it at that . So {disfmarker} Marketing ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : We're watching trends .", "Marketing : Yep . Can I have your cable please ?", "Project Manager : I suppose that you can have this .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 30, "turns": [ 28, 131 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "kinetic energy , solution", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer proposed Kinetic Energy as a solution to power the remote. Marketing disagreed because thought older people would not shake the remote to charge it and because it would make the docking station obsolete.", "title": "Disagreement on Kinetic Energy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "kinetic energy , solution", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer proposed kinetic energy as a solution to power the remote, which basically meant to shake the remote to power up the control. Marketing disagreed because thought older people would not be shaking the remote before using it. It would also turn the docking station obsolete.", "title": "Disagreement on Kinetic Energy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discard , voice recognition , function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing asked what would voice recognition function meant for production price because the target group was not willing to pay extra for it. Marketing thought the remote would not be easier to use. Project Manager agreed and proposed to discard voice recognition, as it would be cheaper to produce.", "title": "Discarding Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 56, 62 ], 78, [ 90, 92 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discard , voice recognition , function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing asked about the price implications if a voice recognition function was added to the remote control. Industrial Designer had no information on pricing. Marketing mentioned their target group was not willing to pay extra for voice recognition. Marketing thought the remote would not be easier to use. Project Manager suggested to discard voice recognition, so the remote would not require a lot of energy.", "title": "Discarding Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 56, 62 ], 78, [ 90, 92 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "LCD screen , display", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing mentioned an LCD screen would make the remote easier to use. Project Manager said the display provided extra information.", "title": "LCD Screen on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 88 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "LCD screen , display", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing, the LCD screen would help in making the remote control easier to use. Project Manager, yeah. Research, large, display, just a small. Marketing, like an LCD screen, would have, on the most advanced mobile phones. Project Manager, yeah; LCD screen, with the extra information, nobody has anything against it, just some extra information, easy to ignore as well, if, don't wanna use it, just don't use it.", "title": "LCD Screen on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 73, 88 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : 'Kay . So these are the points we have to discuss . Um first I think we can talk about the energy source , since that's um has a pretty big influence on production price , uh and image .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : Uh so uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget , I think .", "Industrial Designer : Yes w there there are four options . We could use the basic normal battery .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh a hand dynamo .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But I don't think that's {vocalsound} really an option .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You don't wanna swing before you can watch television .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh solar cells . But not every room is very light", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : so it's not a very good option .", "Project Manager : No .", "Industrial Designer : Or the kinetic energy .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "Marketing : And how exactly does the kinetic energy work ?", "Industrial Designer : Well y you basically shake your remote , and then it powers up .", "Marketing : You just {disfmarker} You use it and it works .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Nah .", "Marketing : Okay . Well personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . That's true .", "Marketing : And besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete .", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "Marketing : And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um get great popularity for our product .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : But", "Marketing : Um wel", "User Interface : what's the function ? Yeah f for loading up uh the batteries {gap} .", "Marketing : Yeah you could load up the batteries ,", "User Interface : B b", "Marketing : you could um insert the find the lost remote control function in there .", "User Interface : Okay but uh it won't use uh much e energy uh I I believe . Uh it's uh just a small display so I believe uh it will run on one battery for um six months or f or or more . So I believe one battery uh is just enough .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh well I think uh elderly people just like to have everything in place .", "Marketing : That's true . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And I don't think they they like uh remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : So maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place .", "User Interface : Yeah . That's true . Yeah .", "Project Manager : And also what you said . Um you can introduce voice recognition by uh finding back your remote .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : But I think it's um more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So you have a but button on your docking station which you can push , and then it starts beeping .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : And then we can we can still use the voice recognition , but maybe then for only the the channels .", "User Interface : Yeah . Uh .", "Project Manager : That's safe .", "Marketing : I'm wondering um what will the voice recognition mean for the production price ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's a good point .", "Industrial Designer : Mm I don't have any information on pricing . So I'll have to ask the manufacturing department .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : 'Cause in our earlier um market research , if you'd allow me to go to the flat board , SMARTboard .", "Project Manager : Yeah , sure . Go ahead .", "Marketing : Um so it was open here . Um we also um asked if w they would , if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . Well you can see here , our target group would not do that .", "Project Manager : No .", "Marketing : So if that would increase the price for which we're selling our remote control", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : I would greatly advise not to do it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : I think that would be better to uh insert in our other product , that is meant for the", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : younger people .", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : But that would also go for the L_C_D_ screen then I guess . It's a bit higher percentage , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Um well this is Yeah but this is here the question was , would you prefer it . So that doesn't really mean they wouldn't pay extra for it . And on top of that the L_C_D_ screen would um help in making the remote control easier to use .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : And I think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use .", "Project Manager : Easier to use ? No , I think that's a good point .", "User Interface : But uh is uh our uh research um about um bi large uh L_C_D_ sh uh display , or uh just a small one uh we want to uh use ?", "Marketing : Um well this was for like an L_C_D_ screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : So pretty large .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I personally think the L_C_D_ screen we wanna use , with the extra information , I think nobody has anything against it . Because it's just uh some extra information ,", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : and it's easy to ignore as well . So if you don't wanna use it you just don't use it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And um yeah I think the um {disfmarker} Maybe we have to uh discard the voice recognition . Because it will increase cost uh signifi uh significantly . And I don't think the {disfmarker} I don't think it will be a lot easier to use , as well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So that brings us back to the energy . If we don't have the voice recognition , it will it won't use a lot of energy to use . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So in that case we could use kinetic uh energy , but I think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good . And much cheaper as well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And that's the best choice .", "Project Manager : Okay let me just choose for the battery . That brings us to the chip .", "Industrial Designer : Well there isn't any choice there because we're using the the the the display .", "Project Manager : Just the advanced .", "Industrial Designer : So it's gotta be advanced .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Marketing : 'Kay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 21, "turns": [ 1, 172 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "system , schools", "speaker": "Nick Williams , Lynne Neagle AM" }, "summary": "Nick Williams said system in Wales experienced more examples of challenging behavior. As the numbers had increased the system had struggled to catch up to have enough capacity to do that, placing pressure on schools, EOTAS and pupil referral units. Lynne Neagle AM asked about strategies for support and continuum of provision to meet the needs of learners at risk of exclusion or disengagement. Nick Williams replied they developed a behavior strategy in schools in Wales. Nick Williams said local authorities needed to make sure the staff and schools stayed well-equipped to face needs of learners.", "title": "Challenges for the Learning System and Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "system , schools", "speaker": "Nick Williams , Lynne Neagle AM" }, "summary": "Nick Williams, system, Wales, challenging behaviour. ASD, get the learners the right provision. Swansea, difficult behaviour, additional learning needs; haven't got enough capacity. Lynne Neagle AM, local authorities, strategies for support and reintegration. Srategy, staff, schools, well-equipped.", "title": "Challenges for the Learning System and Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "schools , learners , exclusions", "speaker": "Nick Williams , Lynne Neagle AM , Sharon Davies" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked if school accountably measures had an impact on the exclusions. Sharon Davies said that due to pressures on schools, it would take time to see results on learners. Sharon Davies said they were working on exclusions and schools to ensure the curriculum was broad and balanced. Nick Williams said the progression of the children in the future was important.", "title": "School Accountably Measures", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "schools , learners , exclusions", "speaker": "Nick Williams , Lynne Neagle AM , Sharon Davies" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked if school accountably measures had an impact on how exclusions were rising. Sharon Davies said there were pressures on schools to perform and that there had been changes within the interim measures, but due to pressures on schools, it would take time before they could see results on learners. Lynne Neagle AM asked if Sharon had seen improvement since the capped 9. Sharon Davies said they were working on exclusions and schools to ensure the curriculum was broad and balanced. Nick Williams said that the progression of the children in the future was very important.", "title": "School Accountably Measures", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eotas , parents , children", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Nick Williams , Sharon Davis" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked about the strategies to engage parents of children and young people who were EOTAS or at risk of becoming. Nick Williams said the strategy was to bring the agencies together to solve problems and support the families, Sharon Davis explained that multi-agency approach was common in Wales. Nick Williams said across Wales they had done training on adverse childhood experiences to understand the reasons why that behavior was appearing.", "title": "Actions to Engage with Parents and Avoid EOTAS", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "eotas , parents , children", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Nick Williams , Sharon Davis" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked what were local authorities doing to engage parents of children and young people who were EOTAS or at risk of becoming. Nick Williams said Swansea and Neath Port Talbot were bringing the agencies together to proactively solve problems and support the families. Lynne Neagle AM asked if Wales authorities had that understanding. Sharon Davis explained that multi-agency approach was common in Wales. Nick Williams said they had done training across Wales on adverse childhood experiences and trauma-informed practice to better understand the reasons why that behavior was coming through.", "title": "Actions to Engage with Parents and Avoid EOTAS", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "exclusion , children , young people", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Sarah Stone , Dr Ian Johnson" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked about the increase in the number of children and young people being excluded from school. Dr Ian Johnson said they didn't know the real factors that it was concerning, and the evidence was pointing around behavioral or underlying issues. Sarah Stone said Samaritans did the report on exclusions from school with anecdotal information that needed to be examined.", "title": "Children and Young People Being Excluded from School", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 162 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "exclusion , children , young people", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Sarah Stone , Dr Ian Johnson" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked what was the main reason for the increase in the number of children and young people being excluded from school. Dr Ian Johnson said looking at the statistical release reasons like persistent disruptive behavior, verbal abuse, or physical assaults, but they didn't know the real factors that influenced that. Dr Ian Johnson said the substantial increase in younger children being excluded during the past few years was concerning, and the anecdotal evidence was pointing around behavioral issues or underlying issues. Sarah Stone said Samaritans did the report on exclusions from school with anecdotal information around individual distress and projects working with young people, and that needed to be examined.", "title": "Children and Young People Being Excluded from School", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 162 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pupils , schools", "speaker": "Dr Ian Johnson , Sarah Stone" }, "summary": "Dr Ian Johnson said there was a substantial increase in the numbers off-rolled in Estyn's pupil registration, with a big impact at year 10 to 11, and said they needed to understand if there was a specific reason why schools were doing that, related to the accountably measures and said that there was a need of qualitative work rather than the quantitative work that they had available. Sarah Stone said there was a commitment in the strategy to recognize inclusive schools and reduce incentives to remove pupils from schools because there were incentives perverse around that issue.", "title": "Increased Exclusions from Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 163, 168 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "pupils , schools", "speaker": "Dr Ian Johnson , Sarah Stone" }, "summary": "Dr Ian Johnson, Estyn's pupil registration, October last year, 4 per cent of pupils, off-rolled between year 10 and 11; secondary school level, off-rolling, 30,000 to 32,000 in each cohort, 500 to 600 children in any given year; qualitative work. Sarah Stone, strategy, approach to accountability, recognise inclusive schools, reduce incentives to remove pupils from schools.", "title": "Increased Exclusions from Schools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 163, 168 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "support , risk , young people", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders , Sarah Stone" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders asked about the support for the learners at risk of becoming EOTAS. Sarah Stone said that the quick answer was that what they've seen was a strong indication, it was a question of the school environment. Sarah Stone said they needed to have in mind the challenges that young people might be experiencing. Sarah Stone said there had been excellent work in the schools of Wales.", "title": "Support for Pupils at Risk of Becoming EOTAS", "relevant_turns": [ [ 170, 171 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "support , risk , young people", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders , Sarah Stone" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders, to what extent, adequate support provided to pupils, at risk of becoming EOTAS? Sarah Stone, a question of the whole school environment and how that interacts with the challenges that a young person might be facing; promote a compassionate response and an informed response by everybody in the school to distressed young people; being able to respond where young people, expressing suicidal thoughts. Young person, experiencing, adversity, may be presenting at school in a very challenging way. School may also be their only safe place. If, don't hold young people within an educational setting, lifetime consequences for them, elevated risk of suicide. To focus on a distressed young person, respond to that.", "title": "Support for Pupils at Risk of Becoming EOTAS", "relevant_turns": [ [ 170, 171 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Nick Williams : I'll start, if that's okay. I think one of the things we're experiencing across the system in Wales is more examples of very challenging behaviour. I think the prevalence of ASD\u2014autism spectrum disorder\u2014and trying to get the learners the right provision is sometimes a challenge. Obviously, I can speak more about my own local authority in Swansea: the numbers have increased about fourfold over the last five, six years, so what's presenting as difficult behaviour can also sometimes be additional learning needs as well, and the system's struggling a little bit to catch up to have enough capacity to do that, so that is placing pressure on schools and then, in turn, pressure on the EOTAS, including our pupil referral units, because, obviously, we just probably haven't got enough capacity at the moment in the system.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Anybody got anything to add to that, or\u2014?", "Sharon Davies : No, I think that's what we're seeing in Torfaen as well. I'd second that.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. So, to what extent, then, do local authorities have clear strategies for support and reintegration, and a continuum of provision to meet the needs of learners who are either at risk of exclusion, or disengagement?", "Nick Williams : Well, we've just developed a behaviour and well-being strategy, which, with our schools\u2014and I'm aware, because I work in the south-west and mid Wales region, and I know some of the other local authorities have something similar, and, similarly, I chair the EOTAS network across Wales, and I know many local authorities are going in that direction, so that has a tiered approach, or staged approach, or whichever, so that there's universal provision. I think it's something that\u2014you know, we need to make sure that our staff and our schools are well-equipped to meet these needs, but there will always, unfortunately, be some learners who need more specialist provision. So, it's equipping them with those sorts of skills, really. I think it's certainly moved forward from where we were two of three years ago. But there's a little bit of lag in the system, trying to bring everybody up to the same, consistent level. But I think work is afoot in nearly all local authorities, as far as I'm aware.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. In terms of school accountability measures, do you think that they have had an impact on the rise in exclusions?", "Sharon Davies : When we're looking at the accountabilities, there's a huge amount of pressures on schools to perform, and I think the whole culture that the schools are within does play an element of it to some\u2014. There is a shift in that culture. We are seeing a change with the interim measures coming on board, but I think there's going to be a lag in the system before we see that having a knock-on effect on our learners, because, undoubtedly, there are pressures on schools.", "Lynne Neagle AM : So, you've seen an improvement since the capped 9 has been brought in?", "Sharon Davies : I think it's early to say,\u00a0but certainly we're working towards that improvement. I can only speak for Torfaen\u2014we've been working really hard on our exclusions and working with our schools to ensure that the curriculum is broad and balanced, and accounts for every learner within the system.", "Nick Williams : May I answer this in Welsh?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Of course, yes.", "Nick Williams : The messages that the Government is conveying to us and the messages we convey as directors and councils are important as well. So, we always tell them that it's the progression of the children in the future that's important, not just reaching up to the level. So, it's more complex than that, and it's important to share that. And in fairness to Estyn\u2014Estyn has changed its mind as well. So, messages such as those are being conveyed now, and I think that the schools do understand now the expectation and what's expected of them.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. In terms of parents, what are local authorities doing to actually engage parents of children and young people who are either EOTAS or at risk of becoming EOTAS?", "Nick Williams : I'll answer this in English. Again, I know perhaps Swansea\u00a0and Neath Port Talbot\u2014we have a team-around-the-family approach. So, as you say, it's more complicated than just the child behaving in a certain way, or being school-anxious, whatever the issue is. So, it's sort of bringing all of the agencies together to try and look at how we can proactively solve problems and support the families. Because nearly always, the behaviours that are demonstrated, or come out in schools, or whatever provision, is obviously probably greater in the home environment, so there's a whole\u2014. We understand the complexities and the need for a whole-family, almost, approach to support.", "Lynne Neagle AM : And do you think that all local authorities have got that understanding across Wales?", "Sharon Davies : I would say the majority have.", "Nick Williams : Yes.", "Sharon Davies : Yes, it's quite common practice. As Nick mentioned, it is about that multi-agency approach\u2014it is working with social care, working with health colleagues, to look at the whole package that goes into these families and to our learners.", "Nick Williams : Certainly with schools, I know across Wales we've done a lot of training on adverse childhood experiences and trauma-informed practice, so at least people can perhaps better understand some of the reasons why this behaviour is coming through, whereas in the past\u2014I'm thinking myself, now, as a teacher\u2014they were just difficult behaviours. I didn't really know the background to possibly why those behaviours were coming through. So, I think we are more informed as a profession.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. We've come to the end of our time. We have probably got a few areas that we'll write to you about, if that's okay. Can I thank you for your attendance this morning? We will send you a transcript to check for accuracy following the meeting, but thank you again for attending. The committee will break until 10:20, but can Members not shoot off for a sec, please? Okay, can I welcome everybody back to our next evidence session, which is our sixth evidence session for our inquiry on education otherwise than at school? I'm very pleased to welcome Sarah Stone, executive director for Wales of Samaritans; Liz Williams, policy and communications officer at Samaritans; and Dr Ian Johnson, who is the manager of children and young people's mental health at Mind Cymru. Thank you all for attending. If it's okay, we'll go straight and questions. If I can just start by asking you what you think the main reasons are why we are seeing this increase in the numbers of children and young people being excluded from school.", "Sarah Stone : I think you were going to\u2014.", "Dr Ian Johnson : I think it's a very difficult subject, because, in many cases, we're not really sure what the data looks like. We get these things from quite a broad perspective, and we don't actually see the extent of the reasons why. If you look at, for example, the statistical release, then you get a sense of why people are being excluded, but they tend to be\u2014. It's a very reductionist discussion, so you see reasons like persistent disruptive behaviour, verbal abuse or physical assaults, but you don't actually get the underlying factors that are influencing that. Now, we know that that information exists, because, obviously, schools don't exclude anybody lightly, and I speak as someone who's been until this academic year a governor on secondary and primary schools. So, there's a great deal of paper trail, but that doesn't seem to really find its way up to a higher level.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. And how concerned are you about the trend that we're seeing of an increase in younger children being excluded, and what do you think the reasons might be for that?", "Dr Ian Johnson : I think it's very concerning that we're seeing increases amongst younger children in particular. Those have gone up quite substantially in the past few years, and a lot of the evidence that we're hearing is quite anecdotal, so it tends to be around the behavioural issues or underlying issues, and there's a lot of discussion about the adverse childhood experiences agenda and how that's\u2014. So, there's a better understanding of that, but I'm not in a position at the moment, really, to be able to explain why primary schools maybe are actually taking that position and excluding more than they used to.", "Sarah Stone : What I would say is that the reason that Samaritans did our report on exclusions from school rested with\u2014. They began with anecdotal information coming through to us around individual distress and from projects working with young people who'd been excluded. And there are projects that are working with young people who are being excluded\u2014I mean primary school children. And the major thing we say in our report is that we\u2014. So, this is enough to ask us some serious questions, to which we don't know the answer, unless we actually do some serious work on this. So, I would reiterate what we say in our report: that we need to examine this. It's a really important issue, and the life trajectory of those young people is being impacted by their exclusion.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. You may not be able to answer this, but to what extent do you think school accountability measures are having an impact on the numbers of exclusions?", "Dr Ian Johnson : Well, I think it's very interesting, looking at Estyn's pupil registration practices report from October last year, which looks at off-rolling, and I think that you see, specifically at year 10 to 11, a strong impact: around 4 per cent of pupils are off-rolled between year 10 and 11, but you're also seeing a number between 1.5 and 2 per cent that are off-rolled in any given year between year 8/year 9, year 9/year 10. So, I think it's clear that there's been a substantial increase in the numbers off-rolled in that year 10 to 11, but what I think is concerning for me is the normalisation, throughout the system, at secondary school level, where there's off-rolling between year 7/8, year 8/9. Based around there being around 30,000 to 32,000 in each cohort, then you're looking at 500 to 600 children in any given year, and I think we need to understand why that is the norm, what could be done around that, as well as looking into the obvious impact of that at year 10 to 11. The Estyn work is quite factual. It's looking at the numbers. I think we need to dig a bit deeper and understand the story behind that and whether there's a specific reason why schools are doing that, related to the accountability measures. It'll be interesting to see the impact of changes towards capped 9 et cetera, but I think we need a bit more qualitative work on that rather than just the quantitative work that's currently available.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you.", "Liz Williams : I think there's also a problem with schools only being measured on academic outcomes rather than the journey travelled by the child and the efforts put in by the school to nurture the well-being of children who are particularly vulnerable. So, I suppose, if you consider that, this is something that definitely needs to be looked at further so that there's incentive for schools to keep children who are perhaps demonstrating challenging behaviour or perhaps aren't attaining brilliant grades. So, I think that's something that needs to be looked at further.", "Sarah Stone : And, just finally, if that's okay, just to cross-refer the committee to the loneliness and isolation strategy, to which we made extensive representations on this issue. A part of the strategy talks about using our approach to accountability to recognise inclusive schools and reduce incentives to remove pupils from schools. So, that is a commitment in that strategy. It's a really important commitment to make a reality of that, because, actually, what is happening, I think, is that there are incentives that are perverse around this issue.", "Dr Ian Johnson : Could I just come in on that? I think there's an interesting, again, qualitative, quantitative, element to what happens to those children who move into PRU,\u00a0EOTAS provision in their earlier years in school and those as they reach a later point in their school career. So, I think there's a question, then, about\u2014I was talking earlier about those children who move in in years 7/8, 8/9, et cetera, and how they loop back into the mainstream education system, what happens to them, but then what happens to those who may be reaching the end of their formal education career and move into EOTAS, PRU provision, and what happens to those young people afterwards? I'm sure we'll pick up some of that as we go through.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Thank you. We've got some questions now from Janet Finch-Saunders around the support for learners who are at risk of becoming EOTAS.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Good morning. To what extent is adequate support provided to pupils who are at risk of becoming EOTAS?", "Sarah Stone : Okay. So, this was a major focus around the piece of work that we did, and we came up with a range of suggestions. I think the quick answer is that what we've seen is a strong indication that it isn't, and that it's\u2014. But also that it's not simply a question of the young person, that it's a question of the whole school environment and how that interacts with the challenges that a young person might be facing. So, there are a couple of big things to say on this one. One is that we want to promote a compassionate response and an informed response by everybody in the school to distressed young people\u2014and that distress may show in a number of ways, not necessarily just as obvious distress. So, I think it's understanding that, having a confident response and, obviously, this links with expressing suicidal thoughts and distress as well, which may not come out in exactly that way\u2014but being able to respond where young people are expressing suicidal thoughts. And I think if we connect this with the agenda around adverse childhood experiences, and if you see the young person\u2014. I think what we as Samaritans really wanted to do was to focus on the distressed individual\u2014that's what we do, it's what we're majorly about. So, a young person who is experiencing a whole range of adversity in their own life may be presenting at school in a very challenging way, perhaps. That school may also be their only safe place, and I think that's just a really simple thing just to keep remembering. Hearing headteachers and teachers talk about this, a lot of them are very aware of that, and there are some great examples of schools working to reduce exclusions and understanding the fork in the road that exclusion or not exclusion represents in the life of that young person. There are restorative justice-type approaches being used by schools in Cardiff that seem extraordinarily inspiring. I've heard\u2014. There's been so much interest in this piece of work that we've done, and I've spoken to many educators since, and so it's doing what we needed to do, which is to get people talking about it. Because I think it's not about providing a simplistic answer to this question of support, it is understanding that it's a whole-school question. It's building on the excellent work that is being done by schools in different parts of Wales, joining that up and making that much more general. So, I think that's the opportunity: is to really recognise that this is a big issue, and that, if you don't hold young people within an educational setting, the lifetime consequences for them, including their elevated risk of suicide\u2014it's very hard to reverse that. So, I think we want to focus on a distressed young person and how we respond to that, and it's amazing to move someone on from where they started, and loads of teachers will tell you examples of how they've done that and how they've felt that's not sufficiently recognised by the measures that they're subjected to." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 43, "turns": [ 56, 93 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that there was an emerging market for LCD remotes that could be programmed and redesigned to one's own needs.", "title": "User Interface Opinion on New Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control design", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface; there's an emerging market for sort of touch screen LCD remotes that can be programmed in much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional model; so you get the sort of you get you can redesign the interface to your own needs; you can get integration between the different the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control; there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push-button design.", "title": "User Interface Opinion on New Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control design", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that since gaming was becoming popular with television, they could design a specialized remote design for game playing or interactive television with some big buttons for up, down, left, and right and shoot. Adding that in order for one to be able to change angles in interactive television there should be buttons to change the television angle, the camera angles, and things like that.", "title": "Marketing's Opinion on New Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 37 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control design", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested that they could make specialized remotes for game playing or interactive control with big buttons for up, down, left and right, shoot.", "title": "Marketing's Opinion on New Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 37 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Cheers . Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now . Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal . Right . I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it . Project finance . As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit . That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five . If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them .", "Marketing : Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Marketing : okay .", "Project Manager : Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay . Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project . So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls . Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ?", "User Interface : Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you {vocalsound} you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of {vocalsound} three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design . And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket .", "Project Manager : Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Absolutely prohibitive ,", "Project Manager : yeah .", "User Interface : yeah .", "Marketing : Oh .", "Project Manager : But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion .", "User Interface : Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g {vocalsound} I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion . Some {gap} and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for {vocalsound} um running macros .", "Project Manager : Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um", "Project Manager : Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : 'Kay", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Any takes on this ?", "Marketing : Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : but our remote controls would get worn out really easily , and {vocalsound} the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar , um keypad , for playing games .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So perhaps one that was more um specialised for game playing or interactive television . They they've recently brought out this new remote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things . Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah I've heard {disfmarker} I've seen the bar-code design before ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , it's it's taken out the {disfmarker} Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control . I think for gaming , you know you want you want some big buttons for up , down , left and right , shoot .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh , you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television , so you need buttons to change the television angle , the camera angles and stuff like that .", "Project Manager : Okay , well", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 47, "turns": [ 269, 355 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , power supply , push button", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designer described the working process of the remote control saying it was quite easy. There was a battery power supply after which was the user interface, which could be either LCD or an array of buttons after which they were fed into an electronic chip. So they just needed to decide how to meet the need of the users and code.", "title": "Features for a Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , power supply , push button", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; Basically, we have a battery a power supply here. After that, we just have a user interface. Let's say that something like that, which could be an LCD let's say, or an array of push button. After that we feed that into an electronic chip. So I say UC and I feed that to LED which is an infrared component; this is quite easy. We just need to define what we want to do when the user interface wants something and after that, we just do the coding and send that.", "title": "Features for a Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "month , speech recognition", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they had to define the needed processing power especially if they decided to do some speech recognition. Industrial Designer also spoke about the time difference between creating a standard remote and creating one with speech recognition.", "title": "Speech Recognition vs Standard Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "month , speech recognition", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "According to Industrial Designer, they needed to take a decision on their desired processing power especially if they were going to include speech recognition. The speech recognition feature would take about eight months to get the first results in comparison to the one month for developing a standard remote, even if it included an LCD screen which had become part of the new standards.", "title": "Speech Recognition vs Standard Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 59 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : but I think we have some technical problem or so . So I'm just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control .", "Project Manager : Maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do", "Industrial Designer : If fact {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I don't know .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Do I have {disfmarker} oh yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Now I have enough cables .", "User Interface : Like a {disfmarker} you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay so I'm just going to describe {disfmarker} in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy . We just have {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : sorry , I'm going {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Are you okay ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Like that . I'm just going to describe . Basically we have a a battery a power supply here . After that we just have um user interface . Let's say that um something like that , which could be um a L_C_D_ let's say or um an array of push button , something like that . Push button or a L_C_D_ . After that we we feed that into um uh an electronic chip . So I say U_C_ and I feed that to uh L_E_D_ which is uh infrared {disfmarker} um which is a an infrared um component . And so what we {disfmarker} for for myself this {disfmarker} for for us this is quite easy .", "Project Manager : U_C_ is the central unit ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Y it's a {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} this just a chip which does all the um numerical", "Project Manager : Computation .", "Industrial Designer : numerical computation according to your display .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And so for us uh this is quite easy . We just need to take {disfmarker} to define what we want to do when the user interface um wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the {disfmarker} not the {disfmarker} to the television .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So for us this is quite easy .", "Project Manager : Okay so this is quite easy . There is not that much constraints .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Um we just have to define the processing power that we need uh especially if we want to do some uh speech recognition , in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} This will {disfmarker} think this will take more time to develop also .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah of course of course .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And um but for a standard one this is really easy . It's a question of one month and so on s", "User Interface : Soon .", "Project Manager : To have a {disfmarker} you s you speak about with voi voice control ?", "Industrial Designer : No no no no ,", "Project Manager : Standard button one .", "Industrial Designer : I say {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker} standard uh standard remote control takes maybe uh one month to to do that .", "User Interface : Yeah . So the only time problem is the sp voice recognition .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Definitely .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Ten years .", "Industrial Designer : I would say {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I would say uh about eight months to have the first results .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay so i it's a bit long yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I can {disfmarker} Um .", "Project Manager : One month for the standard one with button .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Even if we have a L_C_D_ display ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah even . I mean that this is really standard devices now . Um eight . For uh speech recognition .", "Project Manager : Okay yeah . Okay so we can take this into account . So who think it would be good to go for uh like speech recognition ?", "User Interface : But we don't have time to market .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah it will .", "Industrial Designer : And also {disfmarker} how much uh I think", "User Interface : I think we should contact management .", "Industrial Designer : during the kickoff meeting you say that we we shouldn't {disfmarker} we shouldn't go up to twelve point five Euro per unit", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Euros . Yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so how many units should we sell to have a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well each unit is is sell uh twenty five Euros .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but how many {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : How muc how much do you get {disfmarker} how much do you {disfmarker} if you buy one million units h no , one hundred thousand units .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Eh chips . We're gonna need chips right .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . How much will it cost for one hundred thousand ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Usually this is less tha at two dollars per chip .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Because we are {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So you have any idea for a powerful one that has uh good enough for do speech recognition .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "User Interface : Yeah ? Okay .", "Industrial Designer : we can {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So .", "Project Manager : It seems that that we want to sell like four million units from the first meeting .", "User Interface : No it doesn't .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Okay . Four million . {gap}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 16, "turns": [ 344, 434 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button layout , shape , appearance , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The button layout, shape and appearance of the remote control were discussed. Marketing said the buttons had to be on usable places and that it had to lay good on the hand, in that matter, User Interface suggested putting the basic things on the traditional place. Then, Project Manager said that the remote needed a different form than a normal one, but then Industrial Designer proposed making it fold and open, and although Project Manager and Marketing liked the idea, they said it could affect its strength, so maybe it had to keep a square shape as a normal control.", "title": "Appearance of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 18, 23 ], [ 37, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "button layout , shape , appearance , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Discussing the button layout, shape and appearance of the remote control, Marketing said the buttons had to be on usable places and that it had to lay good on the hand, the Project Manager and User Interface agreed. Project Manager added that it needed a different form than a normal remote control. Then, User Interface suggested putting the basic things on the same place, like on off button on top and the TV channels as a block, and the volume on top. Industrial Designer agreed and mentioned the idea of making it fold and open. Project Manager and Marketing implied that maybe it was very hard to make it fold open and keep the strength as good as a normal remote control, so Project Manager said maybe it had to keep a square shape as a normal control.", "title": "Appearance of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 18, 23 ], [ 37, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "suggest , button layout", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested putting the basic buttons on the traditional place, like on off button on top, the TV channels as a block, and the volume on top, User Interface also said that if you had a clear button with a good icon on it, it didn't matter what place it was on the remote control, so you could do something unique with that. Industrial Designer agreed and mentioned the idea of making it fold and open, but then it was decided to make it keep a square shape as a normal control, and User Interface agreed.", "title": "User Interface's Suggestion for the Button Layout", "relevant_turns": [ 15, [ 18, 22 ], [ 27, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "suggest , button layout", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested putting the basic things on the same place, like on off button on top and the TV channels as a block, and the volume on top, then User Interface said that if you had a clear button with a good icon on it, it should be clear as well, so it didn't matter what place it was on the remote control, so you could do something unique with that.", "title": "User Interface's Suggestion for the Button Layout", "relevant_turns": [ 15, [ 18, 22 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Uh I I set something on paper already , {gap} size , looks , uh usable , uh the buttons on usable places , uh the the on off button must be on top ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : uh it has to lay good in the hand ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : you you have to uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Has it be {disfmarker} has {disfmarker} does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control", "Marketing : Yeah , I don't I don't know I don't know", "Project Manager : or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well I think we have to look at that ,", "Marketing : if we {disfmarker}", "User Interface : 'cause well you can do {gap} the standard way , but then you won't {disfmarker}", "Marketing : You can make it very special , to create our own um looks ,", "Project Manager : Yeah", "Marketing : but it's very hard to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : N uh if if we want to make it special , we probably have to do a lot of testing , if it really works .", "User Interface : Well you can um have uh {vocalsound} the basic things on the same place , like on off button on top and the T_V_ channels one two three four as a block , and then the volume uh obviously on t on top , so you can see .", "Marketing : Nah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : But the rest is uh you don't use that often , so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it , it should be clear as well .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : so you can do something unique with that .", "Industrial Designer : And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open , when you have it closed , you {vocalsound} can still uh do the th the functions .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah , what Paul already said .", "Project Manager : Yeah , just for the T_V_ and just the normal function , that's fine .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Uh on on top are the the basic options on top ,", "Industrial Designer : But n {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , but uh i {vocalsound} basically when I'm watching T_V_ I'm just using like five buttons or so ,", "Marketing : and if you fold it open {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But maybe it's", "User Interface : Yeah {gap} .", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : That's what I meant .", "Industrial Designer : so .", "Project Manager : maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh {disfmarker} what's it's called ?", "Marketing : Mm . If you if if you make to fold open it's or also an {disfmarker} uh the strength uh is not s as good as a normal uh remote control .", "Project Manager : {gap} Maybe it's hard t", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No , that's right . So maybe we have to to uh keep it like mm a square , just normal remote control {gap} .", "User Interface : Okay , but yeah .", "Project Manager : Just think about it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We have to close this uh to finish this uh meeting , so .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : There's some more things . We have uh another thirty minutes , so then we're going to meet again . So you know what you have to {disfmarker} what you have to do ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um for m for me uh the Marketing Expert , the user requirements uh specification , do I need to think as a user , a as a a a only the looks and the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No , what you want to do with it .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think this {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} you have to n know if it's for s a T_V_ , a D_V_D_ player , all that things . Also from a user , but all these things together .", "Marketing : Okay . Yeah , it's also about strength and uh for everything uh .", "Project Manager : Yeah , everything .", "User Interface : Yeah , I also wrote down some stuff", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "User Interface : that you want on a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : no maybe not not uh {gap} , that's not a f that's something for for for {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : Technical fun fu", "Project Manager : That's not for you . Just if {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : what's in the market , what's normal , uh what kind of uh buttons do you have .", "User Interface : What do you want to do with your remote control , what do you need on your remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's alright .", "User Interface : I already wrote some down , some ideas .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : Yeah , just {disfmarker} is that okay ?", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : There's already a document in the folder about it .", "Marketing : Yeah , me too .", "Project Manager : So see you in thirty minutes .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , well done .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : For the next time you have to uh put it exactly on the square , so {disfmarker} your laptop .", "User Interface : I will .", "Marketing : Oh Paul . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It didn't say that .", "Project Manager : No , sorry .", "User Interface : Your fault .", "Marketing : Ciao .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Bye bye .", "User Interface : Bye bye ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 23, "turns": [ 239, 398 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "changing an aspect of a remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team was discussing remote's possible shapes. Broccoli shape was the team opted for because it would be comfortable to handle. The team decided to make the remote in different colors with different fruit names on.", "title": "Broccoli Inspired Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 65, 67 ], 83, [ 92, 95 ], 102 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "an aspect of a remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PM suggested remote's shape could be whatever was wanted. UI added that no-one wanted to hold a remote that was uncomfortable. UI said they could make it that shape but just have different colours.", "title": "Remote's Shape And Colors", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 65, 67 ], 83, [ 92, 95 ], 102 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "changes of the shape , remore control aspect", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group decided to change the remote control's aspect to make it more comfortable for the user to hold. Broccoli shaped remote was opted for.", "title": "User Friendly Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 83 ], [ 92, 95 ], 102 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "changes of the shape , remore control aspect", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "An attempt of changing the remote control's aspect was made for the user. It had to be more comfortable for the user to hold. Broccoli shaped remote was opted for.", "title": "Shape And Color Of The Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 83 ], [ 92, 95 ], [ 99, 108 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "joystick", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "UI talked with PM about the shape of remote control. They decided the broccoli shape works. UI compared broccoli shaped remote control to a joystick and agreed one could hold it like one.", "title": "Remote Control in Joystick Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 49 ], [ 92, 95 ], [ 108, 111 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "joystick", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "UI discussed with PM that remote shape should be like broccoli for it is comfortable. UI compared the shape like joystick. He tried to think other oddly shape but PM thought it fit iPod idea.", "title": "Remote Control in Joystick Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 49 ], [ 92, 95 ], [ 108, 111 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thumb kind , remote", "speaker": "Project manager" }, "summary": "PM had trouble imagining the size of remote, and figured out with UI that it should be bigger and long for human thumb thing.", "title": "PM's Idea on Remote Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thumb kind , remote", "speaker": "Project manager" }, "summary": "PM noticed that remote control couldn't be big and round due to that thumb thing people usually had. After discussed with UI, they agreed remotes should all look like bananas and cucumbers.", "title": "PM's Discussion on Remote's Shape", "relevant_turns": [ [ 18, 31 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : No no that's um {disfmarker} I think we should look at the ones that {vocalsound} like where s where people said four , where {disfmarker} um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote .", "Marketing : I didn't know how else to do it . Okay . Well the worst ones were three point one .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Do {disfmarker} does every ones have the slide ?", "Project Manager : The {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Three point one .", "Project Manager : that was material .", "Marketing : Slide show . Material {vocalsound} technologically innovative , okay . Um ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : do you want to change it ? What are the suggestions ? I don't know , anyone ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Which one is that again sorry ? Three point one ?", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah that {disfmarker} it's three point one was not that good . Four point one .", "Project Manager : Does the shape {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The shape .", "User Interface : I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Four point two ?", "Project Manager : See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining the {disfmarker} is it uh gonna be the size , like the the controller ? It {disfmarker} or bigger ?", "Industrial Designer : I think the wheel would probably be {disfmarker} mm .", "Project Manager : Because {disfmarker}", "User Interface : What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And like then it {disfmarker} you could hold it in your hand better .", "Industrial Designer : I think the base would definitely be larger , 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold . They're kinda smallish .", "Project Manager : Yeah . No but I imagine even if it was bigger , like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get {disfmarker} that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : The flat one . Yeah .", "Project Manager : so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there , like it's an awkward position .", "User Interface : I didn't {disfmarker} yeah . But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable . Mm .", "User Interface : But it's still too big I think , in your hand . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . And would it even resemble fruit that way ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I mean {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah like certain ones {disfmarker} you'd have to limit the fruit selection ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : like you could probably do a strawberry still .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I think the broccoli would be out .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : You could do {gap} , although the broccoli is quite comfortable , I have to say , like {disfmarker} sorta like a joystick .", "Project Manager : Yeah that I I {disfmarker} when you were holding that before , it actually looked {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . That looked really good .", "User Interface : I don't know . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Are there any fruits that look like broccoli , no ?", "User Interface : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : Not that I can think of . Rhubarb . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Rhubarb .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I think that broccoli is my favourite actually .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} These obscure fruits .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Uh despite the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think we needn't {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : What if um the {disfmarker} it was just patterns on like {disfmarker} we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber .", "User Interface : Huh ?", "Project Manager : You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah .", "User Interface : Oh okay .", "Industrial Designer : So it's just colour , and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry .", "User Interface : Yeah . That could work .", "Marketing : Yeah . {gap}", "Project Manager : Or I mean we could even have fruit like around {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I mean {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . I dunno .", "Project Manager : But if we if we need {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah and just have the colour match or something .", "Project Manager : yeah . And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow , there might be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously .", "Project Manager : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Or like {disfmarker} I dunno , some of 'em you can kind of think {disfmarker} see as like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : like you could {disfmarker} if it was only this {disfmarker} you know , if it was shaped like that , and it just had that . But you see the problem is you have to attach that , and this has to be detachable .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : So like maybe that's just too big", "Project Manager : Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that ,", "User Interface : because {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : which is a nice kind of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah it's sorta like a joystick .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah . But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {gap} I dunno .", "Project Manager : I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape ?", "User Interface : I guess {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : 'Cause like kind of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : We could make it that shape but just have different colours , and call 'em the different fruits .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Or like even {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Dif", "Industrial Designer : We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough .", "Project Manager : Or even like {disfmarker} Yeah like you said , like a joystick like that . You know ?", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah . Like uh we could do {disfmarker} I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped .", "Project Manager : 'Cause that , I think {disfmarker} I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And you still have the comfort of holding it like that .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : And you could {disfmarker} like if it's like this , you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah . Alright .", "Project Manager : But I mean it {disfmarker} do we have any other ideas about that ?", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We could tr I don't know .", "Marketing : Think the critical ones came out to be {disfmarker} yeah that one . {vocalsound} . Batteries easy to insert for some reason ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : which can be easily {disfmarker} I think that's not a problem any more .", "Project Manager : The batteries are going in the back ?", "Industrial Designer : That {disfmarker} everyone gave that a one or a two . Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote .", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one {disfmarker} I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door ,", "Project Manager : no you could {disfmarker} Just like any other one . Okay . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah um like on a normal remote .", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the I_R_'s right there , but it'd be on one of the sides probably .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : I think everyone's under three anyway .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : So I think it's {disfmarker} yeah those are the only two points .", "User Interface : Cool . Well {disfmarker} Yeah the broccoli I guess wins .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah I'd agree with changing the shape .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Um , I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} We were a bit off task .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Um so uh I can't think of any {disfmarker} So we'll have to like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Mm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah I dunno . You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes , but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like ,", "Industrial Designer : It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape .", "User Interface : but you could do like {disfmarker} Yeah that's true .", "Project Manager : Yeah . And it would probably cost more to produce , 'cause they're irregular .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah that's true . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Which is why printing might be like {disfmarker} just printing the fruit on {disfmarker} {vocalsound} fruit .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 49, 163 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the idea was to represent buttons as figures, they emphasized more on the graphical experience. Buttons should be represented as figures, diagrams symbols. 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The idea was to represent buttons as figures, diagrams, symbols and on, so you could easily understand when you looked at the symbols what it was doing.", "title": "Buttons: Design and Usage of Them", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 10, 11 ], 29, 48, [ 65, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "help", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface said, using voice recognition might help the user find the controller. Adding a user manual in the remote control could help, by pushing the button. Those kinds of buttons might not be accepted by users, but keep in mind what markets demanded.", "title": "Help: Help Buttons and Voice Recognition Help", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 35 ], [ 62, 63 ], [ 65, 66 ], [ 68, 70 ], [ 77, 80 ], [ 82, 83 ], [ 86, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface said you could call your remote controller. Having a help button would eliminate complicated documentation.", "title": "Help: Help Buttons and Voice Recognition Help", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 35 ], [ 62, 63 ], [ 65, 66 ], [ 68, 70 ], [ 77, 80 ], [ 82, 83 ], [ 86, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "User Interface ; voice recognitions" }, "summary": "User Interface said some people had proposed voice recognition. Usage of Voice recognition, company has said it's ready to be used, it'd just need to know how to integrate it, and, big buttons were no longer needed. This might need to include speech synthesis.", "title": "Voice Recognition as a New Tool to Consider", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 17 ], [ 29, 31 ], [ 33, 35 ], [ 37, 39 ], [ 42, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "User Interface ; voice recognitions" }, "summary": "User Interface, some people, propose, voice recognition, by the way I receive an email from, one of our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine, for this by a company; it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used, consider that, supposedly; call your remote controller if you don't know where it is. And then, will beep, for example.", "title": "Voice Recognition as a New Tool to Consider", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 17 ], [ 29, 31 ], [ 33, 35 ], [ 37, 39 ], [ 42, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "market demands", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "User interface said, help button could be used to know how to use the controller, which would eliminate the complicated documentation, but it was complicated. Having the button reside was part of what market demands.", "title": "Help Button: Part of Market Demands", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 66 ], [ 68, 70 ], [ 71, 77 ], [ 80, 84 ], [ 86, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "market demands", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface, a help button, display on the screen. Project Manager, on TV screen. Project Manager, push the button. User Interface, so that eliminates all the complicated documentation.", "title": "Help Button: Part of Market Demands", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 66 ], [ 68, 70 ], [ 71, 77 ], [ 80, 84 ], [ 86, 89 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Three .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound} So the user interface is uh i it uses the aspect uh of a computer system , a programme which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by the human user", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data . So you s this gives you the ways to input data and we have uh {disfmarker} we are more {disfmarker} we emphasise more on the graphical user interface here . The idea is to represent buttons as figures , diagrams , symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing .", "Project Manager : What's the function of this button .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah . So .", "Project Manager : I think it makes the the interface really {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Ea easy to use . So next one .", "Project Manager : Graphical user interface {gap} .", "User Interface : {gap} function five . So I can use the button , the mouse maybe .", "Project Manager : A graphical user interface emphasise the use of pictures .", "User Interface : Yeah . So next line . So the {disfmarker} here are some examples . So they cluster the buttons together . They group them into col they colour them and uh they have different forms as well . Mm but this interface are kind of confusing . Uh basically there are too many buttons . Right . Next one .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So some people are propose voice recognition and so {disfmarker} ah by the way I receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine {vocalsound} for this by a company", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : when you tell the {disfmarker} you say good morning coffee machine and the machine are reply to you . So I just got an email saying that .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm mm mm .", "User Interface : And it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that , supposedly .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah fine .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The next one . Mm so somebody {disfmarker} some people use uh some people use a spinning wheel th with the L_C_ display so instead of using the mm buttons you have a L_C_D_ screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons , you can use that as real {disfmarker} so so that could be an option as well . Touch screen , I mean .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Next one . And some people propose a scroll button . Integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button instead of p just the push button . Like the one we have here . Uh , next one . So mm", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : so there are a few aspects that I collected here . So s basically this deals with special users , children , handicapped people , old people , and uh mm and prog basically they are programmable , specially for children . And uh mm {disfmarker} yeah yeah . And then they also secure uh covers , to protect uh secure and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings . So {disfmarker} But we don't have to integrate all these complicated features . I'm just saying that the {disfmarker} currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f {gap} customisable for different people . Yeah , so that's the point . The next one . And uh you see this is the one where you have the protection cover . Mm maybe useful for children , they migh you you they only see the buttons outside . And for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside . So the adults might wanna have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch the button inside .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : S a good idea .", "User Interface : The next one .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So this guy {disfmarker} this is another company that provides big buttons . At {disfmarker} I see that that is useful for old people and then you don't get it lost . But for our product we don't need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : And you can call your remote controller if you don't know where it is .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} T_V_ remote controller where are you ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And then , he will beeps and to say that I am here , {vocalsound} for example .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} We should include speech synthesis in this case , no ?", "User Interface : Is it possible ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Uh ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but uh as Norman say if uh there is uh already a commercial product available who t who do this we we can check uh to integrate it i into our uh new remote control .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . And uh , this is another one where you can uh {disfmarker} the the the part that's a V_ standing for the volume . So there's a up arrow and a down arrow . But you the see that in the V_ , the V_ appears to be the down arrow on the top {disfmarker} on the top up arrow {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : up arrow there's a V_ like as as if it's turning down so it's confusing interface , so I wanna avoid this kind of thing in the design .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah .", "User Interface : And here are {disfmarker} is uh here is a s short summary that I summary that I compiled after the findings I found . Big buttons are convenient , voice recognition helps , push buttons , scroll buttons , spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools . And uh user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key . Yeah . So {vocalsound} we have many concepts there", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : And basically uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well I {vocalsound} I think you it's it's it's fine you have uh reviewed all all the possibilities", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but uh uh well uh i if we consider that uh the user interface is displayed on the T_V_ screen I don't think we nee uh we need much buttons in the remote", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : since we we just have to navigate and to have a okay or enter key or things like that ,", "User Interface : Yeah . Mm .", "Industrial Designer : because uh adding wheels or scrolls uh makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also , so .", "User Interface : Mm . Okay .", "Project Manager : Or maybe we can include the user manual in the in the remote control {gap} and we should have just a button like help and you say uh and you ik you press the button help and maybe you see the the user m might in the in the T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . That's a good idea .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : To have a help button .", "User Interface : A help button .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So you are display on the screen .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : On T_V_ T_V_ screen .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker} on the T_V_ screen .", "Industrial Designer : On the T_V_ screen . On the T_V_ screen the uh how to use your remote .", "Project Manager : So just you push the button", "User Interface : Okay . Okay . Okay .", "Project Manager : and we will {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh .", "User Interface : So that eliminates all the complicated documentation {gap} ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : okay . So wi", "Marketing : But people are often enough looking at the help ,", "Project Manager : If the if {disfmarker}", "Marketing : once they see the help button they say oh this is a complicated stuff .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No {vocalsound} In the case where they need help , in the case where they need help .", "Industrial Designer : Uh yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's a psychology .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} In a marketing point of view .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : And let us see what the market demands .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : We could just go to my presentation .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} uh wel well I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's just for user customizable , for kids or old people .", "Marketing : Yeah that's right .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I mean it just showed us the remote with an cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So it's the same {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Same remote with some {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Can be used by both kids and old people .", "Marketing : Both yeah .", "User Interface : Mm . {vocalsound} Well uh what I s propose is that uh you know a remote controller , i {vocalsound} it could be a cube ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : is uh a small device that uh looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the {vocalsound} um the buttons , if you ch turn one side you get one one buttons , you turn the other side you get the other buttons , so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Maybe for kids , kids they like uh t no l they like to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Small {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So le le let's see what uh what {vocalsound} people want .", "User Interface : Let's see the market demand .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And then we can decide what what we can {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : What what {gap} market {disfmarker} yes yes .", "Project Manager : {gap}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 33, "turns": [ 2, 9 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Project Manager : Alright we're moving on to conceptual design .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} 'Scuse me . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Bless you .", "Project Manager : Um , I'll just review what we did in our last meeting . Um , {vocalsound} under marketing we targeted our audience , and {disfmarker} Um , yeah . That was {vocalsound} generally {vocalsound} {disfmarker} how helpful that was .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um , then we considered some design options with how it should look , um , we discussed an iPod-like button system which , uh , we haven't concluded but we're {disfmarker} Right , um {disfmarker} So , if you all have presentations to do , we can see what {disfmarker} where you've come from our last time . Does everyone have presentations ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 29, "turns": [ 131, 171 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "price issues , target groups , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "It was said that the selling price of the remote control was twenty five Euros, which was about seventeen Pounds. Project Manager thought it was expensive, but Industrial Designer said the ones on the market were twenty pounds. Marketing said that if they undercut the price, it might make the product look cheap. As the production cost was twelve fifty, there was a pretty huge margin, and the profit aim was fifty million Euros in the first year.", "title": "Price and Target Issues for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 10, 13 ], 384, [ 28, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "price issues , target groups , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned they had got a selling price at twenty five Euros, Industrial said it was about seventeen Pounds, or something like that. Project Manager thought that was expensive. Industrial Designer said that the ones on the market were about twenty pounds, Marketing replied that if they wanted to undercut the price, it was going to make the product look a cheapie-cheapie option. Project Manager said production cost was at twelve fifty and that half of the selling price was taken up by building it. User Interface pointed it was a pretty huge margin, and Project Manager added that profit aim was fifty million Euros, in the first year.", "title": "Price and Target Issues for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 10, 13 ], 384, [ 28, 39 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . That was fun , right . Um finance-wise , we've got a selling price at twenty five Euros , which I don't actually know what that is in Pounds , at all . Any ideas ?", "Industrial Designer : It's about {disfmarker}", "User Interface : One point four or something like that .", "Industrial Designer : mm , mm yeah .", "Marketing : Seventeen .", "User Interface : One point four Euro would make a Pound or something like that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , something like that ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : D fifteen ?", "Industrial Designer : yeah about seventeen , seventeen Pounds , something like that .", "Project Manager : Seventeen .", "Marketing : Seventeen Pounds .", "Project Manager : Okay , that's expensive .", "Marketing : Should we be making notes of this ? We can just refer to this later can't we ?", "Project Manager : I think so , I think so ,", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I'll be able to um pull it up ,", "Marketing : Yeah , okay .", "Project Manager : or I could put it in the shared folder or something .", "Industrial Designer : Havi having said that though , if you wanna get one of those {disfmarker} the the ones on the market at the moment they're s they're about twenty pounds anyway .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So , it'd still be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Really ?", "Marketing : Right .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , we had to buy one {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : So", "Project Manager : Mm . I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : so I suppose later it depends if we want to undercut the price , we d or or is it going to make our product look a cheapie-cheapie option ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , um production cost's at twelve fifty , so", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : Okay , pretty huge margin .", "Project Manager : half of the selling price is taken up by building it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um , and profit aim is fifty million Euros ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : which is uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : In our first year ?", "Project Manager : Yi yes , um yeah , I presume so . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 30, "turns": [ 479, 522 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project requirements", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "The new project requirements were listed by Marketing to prevent missing anything. Among the project requirements, Marketing mentioned the control remote had to be only for TV and video, and that it needed to incorporate the corporate image. Marketing also remembered the requirement for rechargeable batteries. The Project Manager added that it was required to cut down the number of functions, as well as the need for a beeping alarm for being lost.", "title": "Project Requirements Discussed by Marketing and Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 14, 21 ], 24 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project requirements", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing went over the new project requirements, mentioning it was only for TV and video, that corporate image should be in the remote control, and that rechargeable batteries were required. Project Manager added the requirements of cutting down the number of functions, and an alarm or something, a beeping for being lost.", "title": "Project Requirements Discussed by Marketing and Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 14, 21 ], 24 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Can I just quickly um go over the new project requirements so that I haven't missed anything .", "Project Manager : Sure .", "Marketing : So it's no teletext , it's only for T_V_ and by implication video ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control , um something about Videoplus .", "Project Manager : That was um in cutting down the number {disfmarker} that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions , making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Right . Right . Right , so when they press for programming you {disfmarker} it comes up on the L_C_D_ , a reminder about using Videoplus ? So that they have a look at the guide and {disfmarker} Or was {disfmarker} is this nothing to do with the project requirements , is this just {disfmarker} that was an add-on feature ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel , things like that .", "Marketing : Uh-huh . Right . Right , so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature ?", "Project Manager : Um it could be it c It {disfmarker} yes ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : it could be uh adv advertisement feature , um rather than design feature ,", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : you know , drawing attention to that . And it also paid um lip service in the instruction manual , 'cause it's very simple so putting it down in words should be helpful .", "Marketing : Mm , and the rechargeable batteries .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Was there anything else there that we {disfmarker} in the new new project requirements ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . {gap}", "Project Manager : We've got the buttons but I think we'll work through that with the design of it , um .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . That's not at the moment a requirement , it's something we're looking at ,", "Project Manager : Yes . Yes .", "Marketing : what preference {disfmarker} so it may come round to market research at some point to see what people would like .", "Project Manager : And we've talked about um there being an alarm or something , a beeping for being lost , um .", "User Interface : For detection , right .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Learning how to use it should be as simple as possible . But there aren't gonna be that func that many functions incorporated into it so it should be fine and the {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} the instruction manual , I don't know if we deal with that , um . I think {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yep ,", "Project Manager : Yep ,", "User Interface : I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and different from what's out there . Yep , I think that's us .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : True .", "Marketing : What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting ?", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved ?", "Project Manager : I think you might get guidance , but um I th Instruction manuals , 'cause there tends to be a demonised thing ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : u um , they're {disfmarker} everyone's got like a big pile of them , but no one really uses them .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um .", "User Interface : Oops .", "Marketing : Whoops , questionnaire four ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 99, 171 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition command", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Group received information that around seventy-five to ninety percent of users would pay to have speech recognition feature on the device. Simple commands would be incorporated but would cost more. Marketing proposed the feature had to be simple with only aim that allowed to find the remote. Special sounds would be the main element in that matter. Speech recognition tool also had to handle issues connected to surrounding sounds in order to be efficient. A feature could be programmed in a way to recognise a single word.", "title": "Simplicity of Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 2, 16 ], 22, 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition command", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "It was said that seventy-five to ninety percent of this group was willing to pay for speech recognition. Simple commands were needed, mostly one word-like: say remote, which resullts in beep beep and the user could this way find iemote through books and magazines.", "title": "Main Features of Speech Recognition Commands", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 2, 16 ], 22, 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition command", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface admitted it was a great feature. It was important speech recognizer could filter out the TV speech and user's speech.", "title": "Most Important Feature", "relevant_turns": [ 22 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "speech recognition command", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the TV speech , and the the user's speech", "title": "Good Speech Recognizer", "relevant_turns": [ 22 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "actual speech , words", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface made it clear that while implementing speech recognition function in the remote it would be important to make sure that actual speech of user would be recognized among words uttered from the televisions.", "title": "Surrounding Words and The Actual Speech", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "actual speech , words", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "It was noted that there was a lot of ambient sound and words so it would be quite a task for a remote to recognize the actual speech of the user.", "title": "Actual Speech among Surrounding Words", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 24 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : then it w it could possibly sell . Obviously the risk is there . Too expensive , they're not gonna buy . But , I think uh there's one other thing interesting {disfmarker} two things that are interesting {gap} is that uh from the fifteen to thirty-five year-old group , which always spends more money on trendy new things , speech recognition is requested .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Speech recognition? .", "Marketing : And we're talking between seventy-five to ninety percent of this group is willing to pay for speech recognition on a remote .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Obviously , we can't make a remote into a computer , but maybe simple commands . I dunno , louder , softer , on , off . That might be a possibility , even though it costs more , to be the first on the market to produce this .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Thirty-five percent say they're too difficult to use . So we have to figure out a way of making it um more user friendly . {vocalsound} Uh fifty percent say they can't find the remote half the time . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So maybe one word speech recognition commands , say remote , and there's a beep beep beep , and they can find it through , you know , ten tons of newspapers , magazines , whatever you have at home .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But , in the cost that uh the management is looking for , that's not gonna be possible . But if it's trendy , if it's fancy , it's got some colour to it , if it's very easy {disfmarker} easy to use , if it's got simple remote {disfmarker} speech remote uh control , like I said , louder , softer , change channel , on , off , remote , it goes beep beep , I can find my my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset 'cause I can't turn the T_V_ on . So we're gonna have to look at it in a {vocalsound} in this global idea , with the ideas of the industrial uh design .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But , price obviously we have to talk about .", "Project Manager : Yep . So what do you think about uh the design {gap} ? Do you think you can make it or uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : D uh I'm sorry ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : What do you think about uh the design , uh what he was talking about {disfmarker} of the speech recognition ?", "Marketing : Speech recognition .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well , uh training is always an issue with uh commands .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So um {disfmarker} might uh {disfmarker} we can perhaps um {vocalsound} do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process , uh it could reduce th th uh the overall um cost . Not sure how . {vocalsound} But um anyway , um {vocalsound} I I think also that uh this might impact the battery life . And um so , maybe what we'll have to do is um add something where you can um recharge it wirelessly so that uh {vocalsound} y you know sen send power to it . So uh or maybe uh set it out in the sun and it uh , you know , gets uh , from the light , um a a solar cell inside there", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so that uh you have enough uh juice to do all these fancy things .", "User Interface : It seems also like with the speech recognition , yeah , it's a great feature , but if you're watching T_V_ , there's a lot of ambient sound , and it's words . It's not just , you know , noises like something hitting . It's actual speech , so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the T_V_ speech , and the the user's speech . Otherwise , you can say remote .", "Industrial Designer : Off . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But if someone on the screen is saying the same thing , all of a sudden , you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies , because they've triggered the remote control and it's turned off your T_V_ . {vocalsound} So , I think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems , then yeah , it'd be a really good marketing gimmick .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : But , I think we seriously need to consider how that would impact the situation .", "Industrial Designer : Very good point .", "Marketing : Because tha w {vocalsound} with speech recognition uh th I'm not that good at that idea", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : but th {vocalsound} if it's a one-word recognition , 'cause I know with telephones and cars and things I've seen in the States ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap} a friend of mine says call Mom , and it calls up Mom .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : 'Kay the radio can be on and everything .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Marketing : Because I think s with speech recognition , if uh the the remote or like the telephone {vocalsound} {disfmarker} it has a exact word that it has to hear .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : I don't think it would come through a sentence in a television . If somebody's speaking on the se the television , they're not gonna stop and say remote ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : okay . So I think that uh something could be designed to recognise single word {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh yeah . Yeah . No , I think it's a great idea if we can design it to to suit those requirements .", "Marketing : Like the t like the telephone . No because I {gap} this is this is years ago in the United States where we're driving down and he said call home , and the telephone called immediately {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : so well , that's kinda cute . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , what I can uh suggest to you , Christine , okay , uh if you need some uh {disfmarker} the technical feedback , or some training , okay , about uh this facility , especially for the speech recognition , I can recommend you some companies like uh Intel or I_B_M_ , okay , because they're already in this uh speech recognition part , okay . And uh you can maybe have some uh technical backup from them , some kind of a technical tie-up . Okay , and uh if you want , I can coordinate , okay , to get some information , okay , and uh you can uh let me know , okay , so what kind of uh the details you require okay , to add this feature in this project . I don't think it's uh the difficult . And uh we need to know how much is the timeframe you need to develop , apart from uh what {gap} today .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , we'll find that out .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Marketing : From from your side uh , you're gonna have to go back the management and s be more s precise .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : What do they want ?", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : Uh {vocalsound} , a risk , take a risk on the market ? Something that's gonna cost more , but could very easily s make a boom in the market ?", "Project Manager : Yes . Yep .", "Marketing : Because it has to be something totally different , has to be total totally new . Something that nobody has right now .", "Project Manager : Yeah but", "Marketing : And it's gonna cost .", "Project Manager : but end of the day , you're the sales guy , so I will come back and sit on your head because uh you are going to give your sales projection ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay . It's uh of course it's uh good to uh tell the management how much it's cost us", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and how much you are going to benefit ,", "Marketing : Sure . Sure .", "Project Manager : okay . And uh , so I don't mind to convince , okay , the management to spend some more money on the project , okay , if you can make out of", "Marketing : Obviously .", "Project Manager : the money from this project .", "Marketing : If the bottom line is positive . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes , okay I don't mind to convince the the management ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : The management says , okay , so they they don't want certain facilities , which it's already worked , okay , they want something uh new , okay . I think uh like uh speech recognit definitely they will agree , I don't think they'll say no for that , okay . And uh I hope I can convince the management on that , okay . So if you have any uh new ideas , okay , for uh your {disfmarker} you can always come up and uh you can tell me if you need any uh s special , okay , coordination , okay , between any uh technical companies , which you can uh hide their technology backup , okay , for your uh functional design or technical design , okay , then I am ready to do that . And uh what's your comments about uh {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 29, "turns": [ 26, 44 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user requirements , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "To get some feedback on user requirements, they asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls, some bad stuff was they often lost the remote control in the back of the couch or took a few minutes to find it, people also said it took too long to master the remote control because of the number of buttons it had. People agreed the remote control should be pretty or fancy, and young people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software.", "title": "People's Requirements on a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "user requirements , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "In groups of different ages, they asked about user requirements on remote controls. People said it should be fancy, they often lost it and complained about the number of buttons. Young people would pay extra for voice recognition.", "title": "People's Requirements on a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , user requirements , remote control", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said user requirements of voice recognition would make people buy a remote control, but after a while, they would want to return it because that feature would get impractical to zap between channels and that was what people used to do ninety-eight percent of the time. Marketing said there was no need to spend money on research and development because open source software existed already and as long as voice recognition stuff worked correctly, it could be done as a lollipop or as fancy as they wanted.", "title": "Marketing's Opinion on Voice Recognition Software", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "voice recognition , user requirements , remote control", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that user requirements of the voice recognition were cool, but there was no need to spend money on research and development because open source software existed already, it was sketchy with not good or accurate results for a fixed number of words, but remote controls didn't use many words. Marketing also said people would buy a remote control because of the voice recognition feature, but after a while, they would want to return it because ninety-eight percent of the time people used the remote control to zap between channels and voice recognition would get impractical. Finally, Marketing said microphones were an unusual feature and as long as voice recognition stuff worked correctly, it could be as fancy as they wanted, like a lollipop or something weird like that.", "title": "Marketing's Opinion on Voice Recognition Software", "relevant_turns": [ 4 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , practical , cool", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said the remote control was cool, people would buy it because of the voice recognition system, but would return it when they realized it was not practical.", "title": "Marketing's Conclusion on Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 8 ], [ 14, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "voice recognition , practical , cool", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing, voice recognition, cool, different, radical, people, buy the remote, practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control, big question; people, willing to wait for the period, to train the remote, audience have the money, but would they return it after a while, not as fast as pressing a button, not a practical.", "title": "Marketing's Conclusion on Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 6, 8 ], [ 14, 16 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Okay , so um we did some research , we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls . We asked some uh open ended questions , just , what are your opinions on the remote control , got a lot of re responses , and we asked some very specific questions , and we got a lot of good feedback . Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people , so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , there's only maybe ten people {vocalsound} fifteen people in each group .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound} So we got {disfmarker} some the bad stuff we got , remotes are often lost . I often lose my remote control , the back of the couch , some place , and even if it's not lost permanently , it takes me a few minutes to find it . {vocalsound} Most buttons are not used any more , like you said , teletext is outdated now . I remember trying to load a D_V_D_ player recently , and there were so many buttons , it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button , 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons , you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses . And if they do , not very often . Takes too long to master the remote control . I've seen some remote controls that are big , they have a lot of buttons , you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something , they're just not great to use . We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls , people do not like remote controls . Some of the good stuff we got . Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five , most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software . Now don't get excited yet , I've got more to say on that . Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty , they want it to be fancy , th they they want it to be different , everybody has a white remote control with black buttons , and a red button and a green button , not everybody wants that . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Finally , my opinion .", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Marketing : The voice recognition thing is cool . And uh voice recognition , the software , open source software exist already . It's a bit sketchy at some times , uh , you're not gonna get good always accurate results , but for a very fixed number of words , you know you have , how many different words can you have for a remote control , up , down , left , right , channel five , channel seven , you know , how many , you can't have that many words . For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well . I'm pretty sure people would buy it . But after a while people may wanna return it , because {vocalsound} if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels , and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time . Using the remote control , ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels , and that's for flickering through channels . So if you have to say up , up , up , up , if you have to do that all the time , then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it . {vocalsound} However , {vocalsound} oh , because the voice recognition software exists already , there's no need to spend money on research and development , but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control , which is an unusual feature in my opinion . But if we do have the voice recognition thing , there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of . See , you could {disfmarker} there're two options . Either you have voice recognition by itself , which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet , or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you , it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself . So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote . But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part , then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look , because there are no restrictions on physical size , or shape , it it could be as fancy as you want it to be , you know , it could be like a lollipop or something like that , something weird like that . As long as the voice recognition stuff works , that's that's fine .", "Project Manager : Okay , yep .", "Marketing : So we have the three birds , we have the design , that {vocalsound} we have the the fancy bit , right , the voice recognition's fancy , it's cool , it's different , it's radical , so , and then we have an extra bit I don't remember {vocalsound} so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote , but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control , I think is a big question . Um , will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote , 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user , but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait , are you willing to have a bad remote control . {vocalsound} And uh what if you have visitors come round , they stay the night , they wanna use the T_V_ , they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you . Um , how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that . Uh , will people return the remote control , {vocalsound} I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control , if they have the money , you know , so ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . If you could uh", "Marketing : do our audience have the money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical . So . These are things I think we should consider .", "Project Manager : sor", "Marketing : I think it's cool ,", "Project Manager : if you could speed it up a bit , yeah . If you could uh speed it up a bit please , yeah .", "Marketing : I'm sorry ? Sure .", "Project Manager : Sorry .", "Marketing : I'm about to end , yeah .", "Project Manager : Cool .", "Marketing : I think it's cool but there are definitely some considerations .", "Project Manager : Okay . Excellent .", "Marketing : So , yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 27, "turns": [ 0, 20 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "self-introduction , project introduction", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The self-introduction and the project introduction were discussed. Project Manager's name was Laura, Industrial Designer's name was David, Marketing's name was Andrew, and User Interface's name was Craig. The project's objective was to design an original, trendy, and user-friendly remote control divided into 3 different stages according to the brief.", "title": "Self Intro and Project Objective", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "self-introduction , project introduction", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team made their self-introduction and the project introduction. The project's objective was to design remote control.", "title": "Self Intro and Project Objective", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "job role , groupmate", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The first meeting objective was to have a kick-off for the project and to make sure all know each other. The job role of each groupmate was presented. Laura was the Project Manager, David was the Industrial Designer, Andrew was from Marketing and Craig was the User Interface.", "title": "Team Members", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "job role , groupmate", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The job role of each groupmate was presented. Laura, the Project Manager, said it was a kick-off meeting to make sure that all know each other and asked if the team wanted to introduce themselves again. In response, David was supposed to be an Industrial Designer, Andrew was Marketing, and User Interface was introduced as Craig. Project Manager repeated their names and proceed with the meeting.", "title": "Team Members", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "email , received , project announcement", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project manager asked about the received email, which was the project announcement, designing a remote control.", "title": "The Project Announcement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "email , received , project announcement", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project manager asked the team for what they received in their emails. Industrial designer said just got what the project announcement was, which was designing a remote control. The rest of the team got the same thing.", "title": "The Project Announcement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 20 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay Right {vocalsound} Um well this is the kick-off meeting for our our project . Um {vocalsound} and um this is just what we're gonna be doing over the next twenty five minutes . Um so first of all , just to kind of make sure that we all know each other ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I'm Laura and I'm the project manager . {vocalsound} Do you want to introduce yourself again ?", "Marketing : Great .", "Industrial Designer : Hi , I'm David and I'm supposed to be an industrial designer .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketing", "User Interface : Um I'm Craig and I'm User Interface .", "Marketing : expert .", "Project Manager : Great . Okay . {vocalsound} Um so we're designing a new remote control and um {disfmarker} Oh I have to record who's here actually . So that's David , Andrew and Craig , isn't it ? And you all arrived on time . Um yeah so des uh {vocalsound} design a new remote control . Um , as you can see it's supposed to be original , trendy and user friendly . Um so that's kind of our our brief , as it were . Um and so there are three different stages to the design . Um I'm not really sure what what you guys have already received um in your emails . What did you get ?", "Industrial Designer : Um , I just got the project announcement about what the project is {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Designing a remote control .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : That's about it , didn't get anything else .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's that's it .", "Project Manager : Is that what everybody got ?", "Industrial Designer : Did you get the same thing ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 9, "turns": [ 35, 112 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Work division", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The meeting for the design and the functions of the remote control started by assigning each person involved a function and a tittle within the project. The ID would be in charge of the Industrial Design, AMI would be in charge of the Marketing, and UID would be the User Interface Designer. At a certain point, the Project Manager could not make the difference between the User Interface Design and the Industrial Design. It was then decided the Industrial Design would be in charge of how the object would look like (outside design) and the User Interface Designer would design the function (inside design). Marketing would be in charge of giving them some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have.", "title": "Work Division Of The Project", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 10, 13 ], [ 16, 20 ], [ 36, 38 ], [ 49, 60 ], 73 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Work division", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "At the start of the meeting, before working on the design and on the technical functions design, tasks and functions were assigned. It was decided the Industrial Design would be in charge of the outside design and the User Interface Designer would be in charge of the inside design. Marketing would be in charge of giving them some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have, and the Project manager would manage it all.", "title": "Task Attributions", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 10, 20 ], [ 36, 38 ], [ 49, 60 ], 73 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Job , User interface designer , Work division", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The industrial designer thought the User Interface Designer's task would be to design how the user would interact with the remote control: such as where to put the buttons.", "title": "The Industrial Designer's Opinion about the job of User Interface Designer", "relevant_turns": [ 54, 64 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Job , Interface designer , Work division", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The Industrial Designer expressed his opinion regarding the User Interface Designer's task within the remote control project. He thought it would be to design how the user would interact with the remote control. To better explain his point, he gave the example of where the buttons should be on the remote control.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Opinion about the User Interface Designer's task", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Conclusion , Difference , Industrial Designer , User Interface Designer", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The Industrial Designer (ID) and the User Interface Designer (UID), after sharing ideas, reached the conclusion that the ID would work on how the object would look like and the UID would work on the relation between the user and the remote control. One will be in charge of the outside and the other of the inside of the device.", "title": "Division of tasks between the ID and the UID", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Conclusion", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The Industrial Designer (ID) and the User Interface Designer (UID), agreed the ID will be in charge of the outside and the UID of the inside of the device.", "title": "Division of tasks between the ID and the UID", "relevant_turns": [ 54, 60, 64 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : And uh you will have to work on the design and also to work on the design of th technical fun functions of the remote control and think of the user requirement specifications .", "Marketing : Those things just refer to each of each of us , I think . AMI", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I_D_ ,", "Marketing : okay .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I_D_ is for the Industrial Design , yeah ?", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : And U_I_D_ , it's for the User Interface Designer ,", "User Interface : That's me .", "Marketing : Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah ?", "Marketing : and Marketing Expert , it's me .", "Industrial Designer : AMI yeah project .", "Project Manager : So I will manage all all the group .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} you will be the manager {vocalsound} yeah {vocalsound}", "Marketing : You can manage all this , yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Good .", "Project Manager : So you have questions ?", "Marketing : Um . Not really .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : you all know what the parts of the work you have to do .", "Marketing : So which {disfmarker} you , the Industrial Designer .", "User Interface : No I'm user interf I'm user interface design .", "Industrial Designer : I am the Industrial Design , yeah", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : And you ?", "Industrial Designer : I am the Industrial Designer so .", "Project Manager : Mm okay .", "User Interface : Okay . So what's the difference between", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : user interface design d industrial design ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Marketing : I mean , you have to know . Ah , you have to know it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's difficult . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's your job , so I hope you you know what it is .", "Industrial Designer : You know very soon . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , I think so .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : I suppose you have to design it and you have to take care of the industrial way to transform it .", "User Interface : Okay , so I make uh u user interface .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : You you de you implement the core functions in the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And i maybe you will transform it {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : I I think the user the user interface design is {disfmarker} he will design how the user will you know {disfmarker} the relation between the user and you know the remote control so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Use it . Make make {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And the uh industrial design , it is how the object will look like .", "User Interface : Maybe I think uh uh i industrial design's uh , it's the function design .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . So the materi", "User Interface : I design the user f user interface , you design the function .", "Project Manager : Maybe , it is the outside and the inside .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay right . But {disfmarker} I was thinking that he's a user {disfmarker} 'cause the user interface to design for example where the but button will be , you know .", "User Interface : Yeah yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But I don't know . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : Well . You know .", "Industrial Designer : I'm the industrial designer .", "Marketing : Oh , okay , okay . Not the other one .", "Industrial Designer : So .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So and the marketing expert will {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , I'm just go I'm trying to give you some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have", "Project Manager : And {disfmarker}", "Marketing : and then thi this would {vocalsound} I guess converged to the User Interface Designer wi and then Industrial Designer .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Ok Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 12, "turns": [ 205, 323 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "effect of training on different languages", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "There were some effects noted of training on other languages. Removal of the English language as a variable was discussed and got noted that not much of a difference it made and it depended on features used by a tester. The results were based on removing English. Professor B noticed results would be poor both with and without English added to the tests. The team wondered if the nets were using the same output and labeling. The team agreed to have achieved bad results and it would be tricky to compare them. Cross language as a cross type of speech model was considered but too tricky due to compounded results. Training on one language and testing on another gave some results, but three languages were not included, only two.", "title": "Team's Discussion about Effect of Training on Different Languages", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 6 ], [ 10, 18 ], [ 20, 23 ], [ 25, 27 ], 31, [ 39, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "effect of training on different languages", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team discussed the removal of the English language as a variable and noticed that not much of a difference it made. That depended on features used by a tester. Professor B noticed results would be poor both with and without English added to the tests. The team wondered if three nets were using the same output and labeling. The team agreed to have achieved bad results and it would be tricky to compare them. Cross language as a cross type of speech model was considered and agreed on to be tricky due to compounded results. Previously training on one language and testing on another gave some results, but three languages were never included.", "title": "Training on Different Languages according to Team", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 6 ], [ 10, 18 ], [ 20, 23 ], [ 25, 27 ], 31, [ 39, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "multilingual model", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said they had MF, MS, and ME. The multilingual nets were trained on features without the derivatives but with increased frame numbers and as a result, the first line of the table was slightly worse when delta wasn't used.", "title": "PhD D Explains Multilingual Model", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "multilingual model", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "Then you have MF, MS and ME which are for French, Spanish and English. Actually I forgot to say that the multilingual net are trained on features without the derivatives but with increased frame numbers. And we can see on the first line of the table that it's slightly worse when we don't use delta but it's not that much.", "title": "Miltilingual Model According To PhD D", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "the use of English", "speaker": "Professor" }, "summary": "Professor B admitted that the results were interesting. It showed having an impact in other languages. He considered this last category where English was removed and the result was poor.", "title": "Professor's Thoughts about Use of English", "relevant_turns": [ 13, 98 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "the use of English", "speaker": "Professor" }, "summary": "Professor B: Due to the lack of much representation of English, the test didn't suffer. He considered this last category where the English language was removed as result was poor.", "title": "English As a Variable According To The Professor B", "relevant_turns": [ 13, 98 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spanish", "speaker": "D" }, "summary": "PhD D resumed that it appeared that Spanish language was not very close to Italian. Results showed that when using the network trained only on Spanish the error rate was almost twice the baseline error rate.", "title": "Spanish Variable For Spanish Language", "relevant_turns": [ [ 90, 95 ], 114 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spanish", "speaker": "D" }, "summary": "PhD D resumed results showed that when using the network trained only on Spanish the error rate as almost twice the baseline error rate.", "title": "Spanish Not Good For Testing Italian", "relevant_turns": [ [ 111, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rows", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said it was divided in three rows of four rows each. First four rows were well matched, second group were mismatched, and finally highly mismatched.", "title": "Rows In Testing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rows", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D said it was divided into three rows of four rows each. The first four rows were well matched and the second group of four rows was mismatched, and then it was finally highly mismatched.", "title": "PhD D Talks About Raws", "relevant_turns": [ [ 53, 64 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : Go ahead . Ah , while you 're gone I 'll ask s some of my questions .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Um .", "Professor B : Yeah . Uh , this way and just slightly to the left , yeah .", "PhD A : The um {disfmarker} What was {disfmarker} Was this number {pause} forty or {disfmarker} It was roughly the same as this one , {pause} he said ? When you had the two language versus the three language ?", "Professor B : Um . That 's what he was saying .", "PhD A : That 's where he removed English ,", "Grad F : Yeah .", "PhD A : right ?", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad F : It sometimes , actually , depends on what features you 're using .", "Professor B : Yeah . But {disfmarker} but i it sounds like {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Um , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} He {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : I mean . That 's interesting because {pause} it {disfmarker} it seems like what it 's saying is not so much that you got hurt {pause} uh because {pause} you {pause} uh didn't have so much representation of English , because in the other case you don't get hurt any more , at least when {pause} it seemed like uh it {disfmarker} it might simply be a case that you have something that is just much more diverse ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : but you have the same number of parameters representing it .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . I wonder {disfmarker} were um all three of these nets {pause} using the same output ? This multi - language {pause} uh labelling ?", "Grad F : He was using uh sixty - four phonemes from {pause} SAMPA .", "PhD A : OK , OK .", "Grad F : Yeah .", "PhD A : So this would {disfmarker} {pause} From this you would say , \" well , it doesn't really matter if we put Finnish {pause} into {pause} the training of the neural net , {pause} if there 's {pause} gonna be , {pause} you know , Finnish in the test data . \" Right ?", "Professor B : Well , it 's {disfmarker} it sounds {disfmarker} {pause} I mean , we have to be careful , cuz we haven't gotten a good result yet .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : And comparing different bad results can be {pause} tricky .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} {pause} I think it does suggest that it 's not so much uh {pause} uh cross {pause} language as cross type of speech .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : It 's {disfmarker} it 's um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} But we did {disfmarker} Oh yeah , the other thing I was asking him , though , is that I think that in the case {disfmarker} Yeah , you {disfmarker} you do have to be careful because of com compounded results . I think we got some earlier results {pause} in which you trained on one language and tested on another and you didn't have {pause} three , but you just had one {pause} language . So you trained on {pause} one type of digits and tested on another . Didn - Wasn't there something of that ? Where you , {pause} say , trained on Spanish and tested on {disfmarker} on TI - digits , or the other way around ? Something like that ?", "PhD E : No .", "Professor B : I thought there was something like that , {pause} that he showed me {pause} last week . We 'll have to wait till we get {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah , that would be interesting .", "Professor B : Um , This may have been what I was asking before , Stephane , but {disfmarker} {pause} but , um , wasn't there something that you did , {pause} where you trained {pause} on one language and tested on another ? I mean no {disfmarker} no mixture but just {disfmarker}", "Grad F : I 'll get it for you .", "PhD D : Uh , no , no .", "Professor B : We 've never just trained on one lang", "PhD D : Training on a single language , you mean , and testing on the other one ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Uh , no .", "PhD E : Not yet .", "PhD D : So the only {pause} task that 's similar to this is the training on two languages , and {comment} that {disfmarker}", "Professor B : But we 've done a bunch of things where we just trained on one language . Right ? I mean , you haven't {disfmarker} you haven't done all your tests on multiple languages .", "PhD D : Uh , No . Either thi this is test with {pause} uh the same language {pause} but from the broad data , or it 's test with {pause} uh different languages also from the broad data , excluding the {disfmarker} So , it 's {disfmarker} it 's three or {disfmarker} three and four .", "PhD E : The early experiment that {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Did you do different languages from digits ?", "PhD D : Uh . No . You mean {pause} training digits {pause} on one language and using the net {pause} to recognize on the other ?", "PhD A : Digits on another language ?", "PhD D : No .", "Professor B : See , I thought you showed me something like that last week . You had a {disfmarker} you had a little {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Uh , {pause} No , I don't think so .", "Professor B : Um What {disfmarker}", "PhD C : These numbers are uh {pause} ratio to baseline ?", "Professor B : So , I mean wha what 's the {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So .", "Professor B : This {disfmarker} this chart {disfmarker} this table that we 're looking at {pause} is um , show is all testing for TI - digits , or {disfmarker} ?", "Grad F : Bigger is worse .", "PhD D : So you have uh basically two {pause} uh parts .", "Grad F : This is error rate , I think .", "PhD C : Ratio .", "Grad F : No . {pause} No .", "PhD D : The upper part is for TI - digits", "Grad F : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "PhD D : and it 's divided in three {pause} rows {pause} of four {disfmarker} four rows each .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : And the first four rows is well - matched , then the s the second group of four rows is mismatched , and {pause} finally highly mismatched . And then the lower part is for Italian and it 's the same {disfmarker} {pause} the same thing .", "PhD A : So , so the upper part is training {pause} TI - digits ?", "PhD D : So . It 's {disfmarker} it 's the HTK results , I mean . So it 's {pause} HTK training testings {pause} with different kind of features", "PhD A : Ah .", "PhD D : and what appears in the {pause} uh left column is {pause} the networks that are used for doing this .", "Professor B : Hmm .", "PhD D : So . Uh Yeah .", "Professor B : Well , What was is that i What was it that you had {pause} done {pause} last week when you showed {disfmarker} Do you remember ? Wh - when you showed me {pause} the {disfmarker} your table last week ?", "PhD D : It - It was part of these results . Mmm . Mmm .", "PhD A : So where is the baseline {pause} for the TI - digits {pause} located in here ?", "PhD D : You mean the HTK Aurora baseline ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : It 's uh the one hundred number . It 's , well , all these numbers are the ratio {pause} with respect to the baseline .", "PhD A : Ah ! Ah , OK , OK .", "Professor B : So this is word {disfmarker} word error rate , so a high number is bad .", "PhD D : Yeah , this is {pause} a word error rate ratio .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD A : OK , I see .", "PhD D : Yeah . So , seventy point two means that {pause} we reduced the error rate uh by thirty {disfmarker} thirty percent .", "PhD A : OK , OK , gotcha .", "PhD D : So .", "Professor B : OK , {vocalsound} so if we take", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor B : uh um let 's see PLP {pause} uh with on - line {pause} normalization and {pause} delta - del so that 's this thing you have circled here {pause} in the second column ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : um {pause} and \" multi - English \" refers to what ?", "PhD D : To TIMIT . Mmm . Then you have {pause} uh MF , {pause} MS and ME which are for French , Spanish and English . And , yeah . Actually I {disfmarker} {pause} I uh forgot to say that {pause} the multilingual net are trained {pause} on {pause} uh {pause} features without the s derivatives uh but with {pause} increased frame numbers . Mmm . And we can {disfmarker} we can see on the first line of the table that it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} {pause} it 's slightly {disfmarker} slightly worse when we don't use delta but it 's not {disfmarker} {pause} not that much .", "Professor B : Right . So w w So , I 'm sorry . I missed that . What 's MF , MS and ME ?", "PhD A : Multi - French , Multi - Spanish", "PhD D : So . Multi - French , Multi - Spanish , and Multi - English .", "Professor B : Uh OK . So , it 's {pause} uh {pause} broader vocabulary . Then {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK so I think what I 'm {disfmarker} what I saw in your smaller chart that I was thinking of was {disfmarker} was {pause} there were some numbers I saw , I think , that included these multiple languages and it {disfmarker} and I was seeing {pause} that it got worse . I {disfmarker} I think that was all it was . You had some very limited results that {disfmarker} at that point", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : which showed {pause} having in these {disfmarker} these other languages . In fact it might have been just this last category , {pause} having two languages broad that were {disfmarker} where {disfmarker} where English was removed . So that was cross language and the {disfmarker} and the result was quite poor . What I {disfmarker} {pause} we hadn't seen yet was that if you added in the English , it 's still poor .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um now , what 's the noise condition {pause} um {pause} of the training data {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Still poor .", "Professor B : Well , I think this is what you were explaining . The noise condition is the same {disfmarker} It 's the same uh Aurora noises uh , in all these cases {pause} for the training .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : So there 's not a {pause} statistical {disfmarker} sta a strong st {pause} statistically different {pause} noise characteristic between {pause} uh the training and test", "PhD D : No these are the s s s same noises ,", "Professor B : and yet we 're seeing some kind of effect {disfmarker}", "PhD D : yeah . At least {disfmarker} at least for the first {disfmarker} {pause} for the well - matched ,", "Grad F : Well matched condition .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : yeah .", "Professor B : So there 's some kind of a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} an effect from having these {disfmarker} uh this broader coverage um Now I guess what we should try doing with this is try {pause} testing these on u this same sort of thing on {disfmarker} you probably must have this {pause} lined up to do . To try the same t {pause} with the exact same training , do testing on {pause} the other languages .", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : On {disfmarker} on um {disfmarker} So . Um , oh I well , wait a minute . You have this here , for the Italian . That 's right . OK , so , {pause} So .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah , so for the Italian the results are {vocalsound} uh {pause} stranger um {pause} Mmm . So what appears is that perhaps Spanish is {pause} not very close to Italian because uh , well , {pause} when using the {disfmarker} the network trained only on Spanish it 's {disfmarker} {pause} the error rate is {pause} almost uh twice {pause} the baseline error rate .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Mmm . {vocalsound} Uh .", "Professor B : Well , I mean , let 's see . Is there any difference in {disfmarker} So it 's in {pause} the uh {disfmarker} So you 're saying that {pause} when you train on English {pause} and {pause} uh {pause} and {disfmarker} and test on {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 25, "turns": [ 290, 350 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "key features , intermediate nodes", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Doing business for professional type stuff, meeting people for socializing, going for a movie for entertainment and dining out would be a sort of passant but if done for socialization, then its entertainment.", "title": "Features of Intermediate Nodes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 29 ], [ 42, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "key features , intermediate nodes", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The reason why would someone do certain things like doing business would be for professional type, meeting someone somewhere for socialization, running errands such as exchanging money, going to a movie for entertainment.", "title": "Features of Intermediate 12 nodes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 29 ], [ 42, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reason , johno thing , tourist , function", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C's reasons why people would go to certain places in the first place could either be for sightseeing, meeting people, running errands, or entertainment but its an old Johno thing, he had it as well like \"Who could be a tour person, might be a tourist, a business man or basically meeting people and this could go with \"energy depletion\" function, blech.", "title": "Reasons for Intermediate Nodes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reason , johno thing , tourist , function", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C; reason why people would go to a place in the first place could either be for sightseeing, for meeting people, for running errands, or doing business and this was an old Johno thing who thought this way like \"Who the tour person would?\", might be a tourist or a business man further thought just meeting people basically would be put a very heavy constraint on the \"EVA\" because if meeting somebody at the town mall, its not as usual entering. It would go with the \"energy depletion\" function, blech.", "title": "Reasons for Intermediate Nodes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 56 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD F : Yeah .", "Professor D : I {disfmarker} w we will {disfmarker} we will not ask you more .", "Grad B : ri", "Undergrad E : Right .", "PhD F : Right .", "Undergrad E : That 's enough .", "Grad C : I don't know . What is the uh {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the English co uh um cognate if you want , for \" Sankt Nimmerlandstag \" ?", "Grad B : Keine Ahnung", "Grad C : Sort of \" We 'll do it on {disfmarker} when you say on that d day it means it 'll never happen .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad B : OK .", "Professor D : Right .", "Grad C : Do you have an expression ? Probably you sh", "Grad B : Not that I know of actually .", "Grad C : Yeah , when hell {disfmarker} Yep , we 'll do it when hell freezes over .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad C : So maybe that should be another {vocalsound} property in there .", "PhD F : Right .", "Professor D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Undergrad E : Never .", "Professor D : No .", "Grad C : OK . Um , the reason why {disfmarker} why do we go there in the first place IE uh {disfmarker} it 's either uh {disfmarker} for sightseeing , for meeting people , for running errands , or doing business . Entertainment is a good one in there , I think . I agree .", "Grad B : So , business is supposed to uh , be sort of {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} like professional type stuff , right , or something like that ?", "Grad C : Yep .", "Grad B : OK . Um .", "Grad C : I mean {disfmarker} this w this is uh an old uh Johno thing . He sort of had it in there . \" Who is the {disfmarker} the tour is the person ? \" So it might be a tourist ,", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : it might be a business man who 's using the system , who wants to sort of go to some {disfmarker}", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah , or {disfmarker} or both .", "Grad B : Yeah . Yeah , I mean like for example my {disfmarker} my father is about to travel to Prague .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Grad B : He 'll be there for two weeks . He is going to uh {disfmarker} He 's there to teach a course at the business school but he also is touring around and so he may have some mixture of these things .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor D : Mmm .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor D : Sure . Right .", "Grad C : He would {disfmarker}", "PhD F : What ab What do you have in mind in terms of um {disfmarker} socializing ? What kind of activities ?", "Grad C : Eh , just meeting people , basically . \" I want to meet someone somewhere \" , which be puts a very heavy constraint on the \" EVA \"", "PhD F : Oh {disfmarker}", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Grad C : you know , because then if you 're meeting somebody at the town hall , you 're not entering it usually , you 're just {disfmarker} want to approach it .", "Grad B : So {disfmarker} I mean , does this capture , like , where do you put {disfmarker} \" Exchange money \" is an errand , right ? But what about uh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm", "Grad B : So , like \" Go to a movie \" is now entertainment , \" Dine out \" is {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Socializing , I guess .", "Professor D : No , I I well , I dunno . Let {disfmarker} Let {disfmarker} well , we 'll put it somewhere ,", "Grad B : So I mean {disfmarker} Right .", "Professor D : but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} I would say that if \" Dine out \" is a special c uh {disfmarker} if you 're doing it for that purpose then it 's entertainment .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Professor D : And {disfmarker} we 'll also as y as you 'll s further along we 'll get into business about \" Well , you 're {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} this is going over a meal time , do you wanna stop for a meal or pick up food or something ? \"", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : And that 's different . That 's {disfmarker} that 's sort of part of th that 's not a destination reason , that 's sort of \" en passant , \" right .", "Grad B : Right .", "Grad C : That goes with the \" energy depletion \" function , blech .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Professor D : Right , yeah .", "Grad C : OK , \" endpoint \" .", "Grad B : \" Tourist needs food , badly \"" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 32, "turns": [ 350, 519 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lda", "speaker": "PhD D , PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B pointed out the duration of LDA. PhD C agreed that LDA was short. PhD D said they did not know if it was crucial for the features.", "title": "Duration of LDA", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ], 31 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "lda", "speaker": "PhD D , PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B esimated it took ten milliseconds for the LDA. PhD D asked if LDA was crucial for the features. PhD C said that maybe the LDA was not very useful.", "title": "Using the LDA", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C gave the percent error rate reduction for a well-matched case. Adding that with an IDL VAD a certain percentage improvement was obtained.", "title": "Reduction of Error Rate and Improvement Percentage", "relevant_turns": [ 62, 66, 75 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C;Yeah, even for a well-matched case it's sixty percent error rate reduction; So actually, this is in between what we had with the previous VAD and what Sunil did with an IDL VAD. Which gave sixty-two percent improvement, right?\uff1b That means that we estimate the silence probability on the clean version of the utterances. Then you can go up to sixty-two percent error rate reduction, globally.", "title": "Error Rate Reduction", "relevant_turns": [ [ 62, 76 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mismatched conditions", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C tested the experiment on SpeechDat-Car while it was running on TI-digits, and found its performance on well-matched an mismatched conditions. It got worse on highly mismatched.", "title": "Performance on the Well-Matched and Mismatched Conditions", "relevant_turns": [ 113 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mismatched conditions", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C found it improved on the well-matched and mismatched conditions.", "title": "Findings from SpeechDat-Car", "relevant_turns": [ 113 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "straight mfcc", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C played with the tandem neural network and did a configuration, and found was the use of straight MFCC features.", "title": "The Tandem Neural Network", "relevant_turns": [ 96 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "straight mfcc", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C said configuration was simlar to their February proposal and there was a feature stream that used straight MFCC features.", "title": "Configuration", "relevant_turns": [ 96, 98 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said instead of using a greater number of features that were not the right ones to use, getting more sources of information would help.", "title": "Using More Sources of Information", "relevant_turns": [ 167 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said having a greater number of features without the right one to use would easily make things worse.", "title": "Number of Features", "relevant_turns": [ 167 ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : So , how do you know that what you have is too much if they 're still deciding ?", "Professor B : Uh , we don't , but it 's just {disfmarker} I mean , the main thing is that since that we got burned last time , and {disfmarker} you know , by not worrying about it very much , we 're just staying conscious of it .", "PhD A : Uh - huh . Oh , OK , I see .", "Professor B : And so , th I mean , if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if a week before we have to be done someone says , \" Well , you have to have fifty milliseconds less than you have now \" , it would be pretty frantic around here . So {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Ah , OK .", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : But still , that 's {disfmarker} that 's a pretty big , uh , win . And it doesn't seem like you 're {disfmarker} in terms of your delay , you 're , uh , that {disfmarker}", "Professor B : He added a bit on , I guess , because before we were {disfmarker} we were {disfmarker} had {disfmarker} were able to have the noise , uh , stuff , uh , and the LVA be in parallel .", "PhD C : Hmm .", "Professor B : And now he 's {disfmarker} he 's requiring it to be done first .", "PhD C : Well , but I think the main thing , maybe , is the cleaning of the speech , which takes forty milliseconds or so .", "Professor B : Right . Well , so you say {disfmarker} let 's say ten milliseconds {disfmarker} seconds for the LDA .", "PhD C : And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} the LDA is , well , pretty short right now .", "Professor B : Well , ten . And then forty for the other .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah , the LDA {disfmarker} LDA {disfmarker} we don't know , is , like {disfmarker} is it very crucial for the features , right ?", "PhD C : No . I just {disfmarker} This is the first try .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Right ,", "PhD C : I mean , I {disfmarker} maybe the LDA 's not very useful then .", "Professor B : so you could start pulling back ,", "PhD D : S s h", "Professor B : but {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah ,", "Professor B : But I think you have {disfmarker}", "PhD D : l", "Professor B : I mean , you have twenty for delta computation which y now you 're sort of doing twice , right ? But yo w were you doing that before ?", "PhD C : Mmm . Well , in the proposal , um , the input of the VAD network were just three frames , I think .", "PhD D : On the {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Just {disfmarker} Yeah , just the static , no delta .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD C : Uh , static features .", "Professor B : So , what you have now is fort uh , forty for the {disfmarker} the noise , twenty for the delta , and ten for the LDA . That 's seventy milliseconds of stuff which was formerly in parallel ,", "PhD C :", "Professor B : right ? So I think ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : you know , that 's {disfmarker} that 's the difference as far as the timing , right ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Um , and you could experiment with cutting various pieces of these back a bit , but {disfmarker} I mean , we 're s we 're not {disfmarker} we 're not in terrible shape .", "PhD A : Yeah , that 's what it seems like to me . It 's pretty good .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : It 's {disfmarker} it 's not like it 's adding up to four hundred milliseconds or something .", "PhD A : Where {disfmarker} where is this {disfmarker} where is this fifty - seven point O two in {disfmarker} in comparison to the last evaluation ?", "Professor B : Well , it 's {disfmarker} I think it 's better than anything , uh , anybody got .", "PhD A : Oh , is that right ?", "PhD C : Yeah . The best was fifty - four point five .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Point s", "PhD A : Oh .", "Professor B : Yeah . Uh", "PhD C : And our system was forty - nine , but with the neural network .", "PhD A : Wow . So this is almost ten percent .", "Professor B : With the f with the neural net . Yeah , and r and {disfmarker}", "PhD C : It would", "PhD D : Yeah , so this is {disfmarker} this is like the first proposal . The proposal - one . It was forty - four , actually .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . And we still don't have the neural net in . So {disfmarker} so it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Wow .", "Professor B : You know . So it 's {disfmarker} We 're {disfmarker} we 're doing better .", "PhD A : This is {disfmarker} this is really good .", "Professor B : I mean , we 're getting better recognition . I mean , I 'm sure other people working on this are not sitting still either , but {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : but {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , the important thing is that we learn how to do this better , and , you know . So . Um , Yeah . So , our , um {disfmarker} Yeah , you can see the kind of {disfmarker} kind of numbers that we 're having , say , on SpeechDat - Car which is a hard task , cuz it 's really , um {disfmarker} I think it 's just sort of {disfmarker} sort of reasonable numbers , starting to be . I mean , it 's still terri", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Yeah , even for a well - matched case it 's sixty percent error rate reduction ,", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : which is {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . Probably half . Good !", "PhD C : Um , Yeah . So actually , this is in between {vocalsound} what we had with the previous VAD and what Sunil did with an IDL VAD . Which gave sixty - two percent improvement , right ?", "PhD D : Yeah , it 's almost that .", "PhD C : So {disfmarker}", "PhD D : It 's almost an average somewhere around {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : What was that ? Say that last part again ?", "PhD C : So , if you use , like , an IDL VAD , uh , for dropping the frames ,", "PhD D : o o Or the best we can get .", "PhD C : the best that we can get {disfmarker} i That means that we estimate the silence probability on the clean version of the utterances . Then you can go up to sixty - two percent error rate reduction , globally .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "PhD C : Mmm {disfmarker} Yeah .", "PhD A : So that would be even {disfmarker} That wouldn't change this number down here to sixty - two ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah . So you {disfmarker} you were get", "PhD C : If you add a g good v very good VAD , that works as well as a VAD working on clean speech ,", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD C : then you wou you would go {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So that 's sort of the best you could hope for .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : I see .", "Professor B : Probably . Yeah . So fi si fifty - three is what you were getting with the old VAD .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : And , uh {disfmarker} and sixty - two with the {disfmarker} the , you know , quote , unquote , cheating VAD . And fifty - seven is what you got with the real VAD .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : That 's great .", "PhD C : Uh , yeah , the next thing is , I started to play {disfmarker} Well , I don't want to worry too much about the delay , no . Maybe it 's better to wait", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD C : for the decision", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : from the committee . Uh , but I started to play with the , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , tandem neural network . Mmm I just did the configuration that 's very similar to what we did for the February proposal . And {disfmarker} Um . So . There is a f a first feature stream that use uh straight MFCC features .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : Well , these features actually . And the other stream is the output of a neural network , using as input , also , these , um , cleaned MFCC . Um {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Those are th those are th what is going into the tandem net ?", "PhD C : I don't have the comp Mmm ?", "PhD A : Those two ?", "PhD C : So there is just this feature stream , {comment} the fifteen MFCC plus delta and double - delta .", "Professor B : No .", "PhD A : Yeah ?", "PhD C : Um , so it 's {disfmarker} makes forty - five features {comment} that are used as input to the HTK . And then , there is {disfmarker} there are more inputs that comes from the tandem MLP .", "PhD A : Oh , oh . OK . I see .", "Professor B : Yeah , h he likes to use them both ,", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : cuz then it has one part that 's discriminative ,", "PhD C : Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "Professor B : one part that 's not .", "PhD A : Right . OK .", "PhD C : So , um , uh , yeah . Right now it seems that {disfmarker} i I just tested on SpeechDat - Car while the experiment are running on your {disfmarker} on TI - digits . Well , it improves on the well - matched and the mismatched conditions , but it get worse on the highly mismatched . Um ,", "PhD A : Compared to these numbers ?", "PhD C : Compared to these numbers , yeah . Um ,", "Professor B : y", "PhD C : like , on the well - match and medium mismatch , the gain is around five percent relative , but it goes down a lot more , like fifteen percent on the HM case .", "Professor B : You 're just using the full ninety features ?", "PhD C : The {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Y you have ninety features ?", "PhD C : i I have , um {disfmarker} From the networks , it 's twenty - eight . So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : And from the other side it 's forty - five .", "PhD C : So , d i It 's forty - five .", "Professor B : So it 's {disfmarker} you have seventy - three features ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : and you 're just feeding them like that .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : There isn't any KLT or anything ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . There 's a KLT after the neural network , as {disfmarker} as before .", "PhD A : That 's how you get down to twenty - eight ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD A : Why twenty - eight ?", "PhD C : I don't know .", "PhD A : Oh .", "PhD C : Uh . It 's {disfmarker} i i i It 's because it 's what we did for the first proposal . We tested , uh , trying to go down", "PhD A : Ah .", "Professor B : It 's a multiple of seven .", "PhD C : and Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : So {disfmarker} Um .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : I wanted to do something very similar to the proposal as a first {disfmarker} first try .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : I see .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Yeah . That makes sense .", "PhD C : But we have to {disfmarker} for sure , we have to go down , because the limit is now sixty features .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : So , uh , we have to find a way to decrease the number of features . Um {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So , it seems funny that {disfmarker} I don't know , maybe I don't u quite understand everything , {comment} but that adding features {disfmarker} I guess {disfmarker} I guess if you 're keeping the back - end fixed . Maybe that 's it . Because it seems like just adding information shouldn't give worse results . But I guess if you 're keeping the number of Gaussians fixed in the recognizer , then {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well , yeah .", "PhD C : Mmm .", "Professor B : But , I mean , just in general , adding information {disfmarker} Suppose the information you added , well , was a really terrible feature and all it brought in was noise .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Right ? So {disfmarker} so , um {disfmarker} Or {disfmarker} or suppose it wasn't completely terrible , but it was completely equivalent to another one feature that you had , except it was noisier .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : Right ? In that case you wouldn't necessarily expect it to be better at all .", "PhD A : Oh , yeah , I wasn't necessarily saying it should be better . I 'm just surprised that you 're getting fifteen percent relative worse on the wel", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD C : But it 's worse .", "Professor B : On the highly mismatched condition .", "PhD A : On the highly mismatch .", "PhD C : Yeah , I {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : So , \" highly mismatched condition \" means that in fact your training is a bad estimate of your test .", "PhD C : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : So having {disfmarker} having , uh , a g a l a greater number of features , if they aren't maybe the right features that you use , certainly can e can easily , uh , make things worse . I mean , you 're right . If you have {disfmarker} if you have , uh , lots and lots of data , and you have {disfmarker} and your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} your training is representative of your test , then getting more sources of information should just help . But {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} It doesn't necessarily work that way .", "PhD A : Huh .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 32, "turns": [ 221, 349 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "VAD results", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C said VAD's features were used after noise compensations and presented the results, the features were noise compensated and there was an LDA filter. The system had twelve times nine inputs, a hundred hidden, and two outputs. Professor B said eleven thousand parameters should not be a problem even in small phones, there were previous works with the same system but with a fifty-three point six percent improvement, the only thing they changed was the estimation of the silence probabilities.", "title": "VAD's Features Results", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 10, 13, [ 15, 19 ], 22, [ 30, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "vad results", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C said VAD would have twelve times nine inputs, a hundred hidden and two outputs. Professor B said eleven thousand parameters should not be a problem.", "title": "VAD's Features Results", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 10, 13, [ 15, 19 ], 22, [ 30, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "vad latency", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B asked about the VAD latency, it was two hundred and twenty milliseconds, also said the VAD was used for on-line normalization, and it was used before the delta computation. So if those components were added, it would go to a hundred and seventy.", "title": "Considerations on VAD Latency", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "vad latency", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B was confused about values on VAD latency, with the considerations it would go to a hundred and seventy.", "title": "Considerations on VAD Latency", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "breakdown , latency", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C explained the breakdown of the latency by cleaning, smoothing, and filtering the speech, the frames and every delta data.", "title": "PhD C Explains the Breakdown of the Latency", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 41 ], 45, 51, 55, 60, 63, [ 67, 73 ], 81, 84 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "breakdown , latency", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C explained the breakdown of the latency, said it would take forty milliseconds cleaning the speech, forty milliseconds for the nine frames the neural network used, one hundred milliseconds filtering the silence for smoothing, 10 milliseconds for every delta, and ten more from LDA filters plus the frame.", "title": "PhD C Explains the Breakdown of the Latency", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 41 ], 45, 51, 55, 60, 63, [ 67, 73 ], 81, 84 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features , neural network , noise", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C explained the VAD neural network features; the LDA filter, noise compensation, frames and hidden units; the latency was two hundred and twenty milliseconds.", "title": "PhD C Considerations on VAD Neural Network", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 10, 22, 31, 39 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "features , neural network , noise", "speaker": "PhD C" }, "summary": "PhD C, features that the VAD neural network use, MFCC after noise compensation; features, noise compensated, LDA filter, six features from C-zero to C-fives, first derivatives, one hundred hidden units; previous, based on the system, fifty-three point sixty-six percent improvement; latency, VAD, two hundred and twenty milliseconds; forty milliseconds, cleaning, the speech, neural network, nine frames, adds forty milliseconds.", "title": "PhD C Considerations on VAD Neural Network", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 10, 22, 31, 39 ] } ], "source": [ "PhD C : Um , I 've been playing with , first , the , um , VAD . Um , {vocalsound} so it 's exactly the same approach , but the features that the VAD neural network use are , uh , MFCC after noise compensation . Oh , I think I have the results .", "Professor B : What was it using before ?", "PhD C : Before it was just P L", "PhD D :", "PhD C : So .", "PhD D : Yeah , it was actually {disfmarker} No . Not {disfmarker} I mean , it was just the noisy features I guess .", "PhD C : Yeah ,", "PhD D : Yeah , yeah , yeah ,", "PhD C : noisy {disfmarker} noisy features .", "PhD D : not compensated .", "PhD C : Um {disfmarker} This is what we get after {disfmarker} This {disfmarker} So , actually , we , yeah , here the features are noise compensated and there is also the LDA filter . Um , and then it 's a pretty small neural network which use , um , {vocalsound} nine frames of {disfmarker} of six features from C - zero to C - fives , plus the first derivatives . And it has one hundred hidden units .", "PhD A : Is that nine frames u s uh , centered around the current frame ? Or {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : S so , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's how many {disfmarker} how many inputs ?", "PhD C : So it 's twelve times nine .", "Professor B : Twelve times nine inputs , and a hundred , uh , hidden .", "PhD C : Hidden and", "PhD D : Two outputs .", "PhD C : two outputs .", "Professor B : Two outputs . OK . So I guess about eleven thousand parameters , which {disfmarker} actually shouldn't be a problem , even in {disfmarker} in small phones . Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : So , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} s so what is different between this and {disfmarker} and what you {disfmarker}", "PhD C : It should be OK . So the previous syst It 's based on the system that has a fifty - three point sixty - six percent improvement . It 's the same system . The only thing that changed is the n a p eh {disfmarker} a es the estimation of the silence probabilities .", "PhD A : Ah . OK .", "PhD C : Which now is based on , uh , cleaned features .", "Professor B : And , it 's a l it 's a lot better .", "PhD A : Wow .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : That 's great .", "PhD C : Um {disfmarker} So it 's {disfmarker} it 's not bad , but the problem is still that the latency is too large .", "Professor B : What 's the latency ?", "PhD C : Because {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the latency of the VAD is two hundred and twenty milliseconds . And , uh , the VAD is used uh , i for on - line normalization , and it 's used before the delta computation . So if you add these components it goes t to a hundred and seventy , right ?", "Professor B : I {disfmarker} I 'm confused . You started off with two - twenty and you ended up with one - seventy ?", "PhD C : With two an two hundred and seventy .", "Professor B : Two - seventy .", "PhD C : If {disfmarker} Yeah , if you add the c delta comp delta computation", "Professor B : Oh .", "PhD C : which is done afterwards . Um {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So it 's two - twenty . I the is this {disfmarker} are these twenty - millisecond frames ? Is that why ? Is it after downsampling ? or {disfmarker}", "PhD C : The two - twenty is one hundred milliseconds for the um {disfmarker} No , it 's forty milliseconds for t for the , uh , uh , cleaning of the speech . Um {disfmarker} then there is , um , the neural network which use nine frames . So it adds forty milliseconds .", "Professor B : a OK .", "PhD C : Um , after that , um , you have the um , filtering of the silence probabilities . Which is a million filter it , and it creates a one hundred milliseconds delay . So , um {disfmarker}", "Professor B :", "PhD D : Plus there is a delta at the input .", "PhD C : Yeah , and there is the delta at the input which is ,", "Professor B : One hundred milliseconds for smoothing .", "PhD C : um {disfmarker} So it 's {disfmarker} @ @ {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh , median .", "PhD C :", "PhD D : It 's like forty plus {disfmarker} forty {disfmarker} plus {disfmarker}", "Professor B : And then forty {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Mmm . Forty {disfmarker} This forty plus twenty , plus one hundred .", "Professor B : forty p", "PhD C : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So it 's two hundred actually .", "PhD C : Yeah , there are twenty that comes from {disfmarker} There is ten that comes from the LDA filters also . Right ?", "PhD D : Oh , OK .", "PhD C : Uh , so it 's two hundred and ten , yeah .", "PhD D : If you are using {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Plus the frame ,", "PhD D : t If you are using three frames {disfmarker}", "PhD C : so it 's two - twenty .", "PhD D : If you are phrasing f {comment} using three frames , it is thirty here for delta .", "PhD C : Yeah , I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's five frames , but .", "PhD D : So five frames , that 's twenty . OK , so it 's who un {comment} two hundred and ten .", "Professor B : Uh , p Wait a minute . It 's forty {disfmarker} {vocalsound} forty for the {disfmarker} for the cleaning of the speech ,", "PhD C : So . Forty cleaning .", "Professor B : forty for the I N {disfmarker} ANN , a hundred for the smoothing .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Well , but at ten {disfmarker} ,", "PhD C : Twenty for the delta .", "Professor B : Twenty for delta .", "PhD D : At th {nonvocalsound} At the input . I mean , that 's at the input to the net .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Delta at input to net ?", "PhD D : And there i", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah . So it 's like s five , six cepstrum plus delta at nine {disfmarker} nine frames of {disfmarker}", "Professor B : And then ten milliseconds for {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Fi - There 's an LDA filter .", "Professor B : ten milliseconds for LDA filter , and t and ten {disfmarker} another ten milliseconds you said for the frame ?", "PhD C : For the frame I guess . I computed two - twenty {disfmarker} Yeah , well , it 's {disfmarker} I guess it 's for the fr {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : OK . And then there 's delta besides that ?", "PhD C : So this is the features that are used by our network and then afterwards , you have to compute the delta on the , uh , main feature stream ,", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD C : which is um , delta and double - deltas , which is fifty milliseconds .", "Professor B : Yeah . No , I mean , the {disfmarker} after the noise part , the forty {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the other hundred and eighty {disfmarker} Well , I mean , Wait a minute . Some of this is , uh {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} is in parallel , isn't it ? I mean , the LDA {disfmarker} Oh , you have the LDA as part of the V D - uh , VAD ? Or {disfmarker}", "PhD C : The VAD use , uh , LDA filtered features also .", "Professor B : Oh , it does ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Ah . So in that case there isn't too much in parallel . Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : No . There is , um , just downsampling , upsampling , and the LDA .", "Professor B : Um , so the delta at the end is how much ?", "PhD C : It 's fifty .", "PhD D : It 's {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Fifty . Alright . So {disfmarker}", "PhD C : But well , we could probably put the delta , um , {vocalsound} before on - line normalization . It should not that make a big difference ,", "PhD A : What if you used a smaller window for the delta ?", "PhD C : because {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Could that help a little bit ? I mean , I guess there 's a lot of things you could do to {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah ,", "Professor B : So", "PhD C : but , nnn {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah . So if you {disfmarker} if you put the delta before the , uh , ana on - line {disfmarker} If {disfmarker} Yeah {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : uh {disfmarker} then {disfmarker} then it could go in parallel .", "PhD C : Cuz i", "Professor B : And then y then you don't have that additive {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah ,", "PhD D : Yep .", "PhD C : cuz the time constant of the on - line normalization is pretty long compared to the delta window ,", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD C : so . It should not make {disfmarker}", "Professor B : OK . And you ought to be able to shove tw , uh {disfmarker} sh uh {disfmarker} pull off twenty milliseconds from somewhere else to get it under two hundred , right ? I mean {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Is two hundred the d", "Professor B : The hundred milla", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : mill a hundred milliseconds for smoothing is sort of an arbitrary amount . It could be eighty and {disfmarker} and probably do @ @ {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah ,", "PhD A : i a hun", "PhD C : yeah .", "PhD A : uh {disfmarker} Wh - what 's the baseline you need to be under ? Two hundred ?", "Professor B : Well , we don't know . They 're still arguing about it .", "PhD C :", "PhD A : Oh .", "Professor B : I mean , if it 's two {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if it 's , uh {disfmarker} if it 's two - fifty , then we could keep the delta where it is if we shaved off twenty . If it 's two hundred , if we shaved off twenty , we could {disfmarker} we could , uh , meet it by moving the delta back ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 19, "turns": [ 386, 647 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "one , battery", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about saving one battery. They would have the sample sensor and sample speaker, which was their big item.", "title": "Having a Sensor and Speaker", "relevant_turns": [ 17 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "one , battery", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said if they wanted to keep kinetic, they had a choice of going down to the battery, which would save them one.", "title": "Keeping the Kinetic", "relevant_turns": [ 17 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bit less", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing spoke about different colours gave the opinion on the sort of rubber case which was a bit less in sort of the corporate identity.", "title": "Having a Corporate Identity", "relevant_turns": [ 29 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case , bit less", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing thought that the rubber case was a bit less of the corporate identity than the sleeker plastic case.", "title": "Comparison of Cases", "relevant_turns": [ 29 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber case", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing spoke about getting rid of the rubber case and sort of fanciness and fashionability were same.", "title": "Fanciness and Fashionability of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 126 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rubber case", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said they got rid of rubber case and added the form and colour of the buttons.", "title": "Button Types", "relevant_turns": [ 126 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion , fruit", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "They talked about fruit fashion design and assumed red apple, a special colour, added about the making of next year's model.", "title": "Fruit Fashion Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "red apple", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing said they needed to keep close on the fashion type one, and keep it quite fancy as well. Project Manager said they would change and might do it once a year, and make a red apple and next year's model.", "title": "Fruit Fashion Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager spoke about special form, the question was all buttons or one button.", "title": "Number of Buttons to Have", "relevant_turns": [ 48 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "button", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said they had special form and planning to have one special button.", "title": "A Special Button", "relevant_turns": [ 48 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "colour , fancy", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing shared the thoughts on a sort of rubber case. Added they thought they just needed two for the special colour. Marketing also spoke about keeping it quite fancy as well.", "title": "Keeping it Fancy", "relevant_turns": [ 29, 59, 100 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "colour , fancy", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; different colours; I was thinking that because maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than the sort of you know sleeker plastic case; One original colour and then sort of two supplements, I think maybe; And that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one. And it would sort of, you know, keep it quite fancy as well.", "title": "Colours to be Used", "relevant_turns": [ 29, 59, 100 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "budget", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer spoke about within the budget. Project Manager said there was a debate about how they would count them and their original assumption.", "title": "Being Within Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 40 ], 42 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "special", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; that's within the budget; Do we just have one special form down here? Project Manager; there was debate as to how you would count them. You got special colour; originally I was assuming we had the red apple, and therefore, that was the special colour.", "title": "The Special Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 40 ], 42 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "material , standard colour", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager proposed to use special material, but Industrial Designer proposed three special colour, the volume buttons were blue at the moment as the standard colour.", "title": "Material and Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 52, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "material , colour", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager proposed the other thing would then be special material: rubber, wood, titanium. But Industrial Designer thought it maybe the special colour, they've got three now just because the volume buttons were different and had the ones which are blue at the moment would just be the standard colour.", "title": "Material and Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 52, 65 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Well , you can lose one point two and still meet the requirements .", "Marketing : Do you wanna plug it into yours so we can get up the the finances {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , well I put it back on .", "Industrial Designer : So I guess this {disfmarker} Is this the last stage once we sort out the finances part of it ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'm not sure .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {gap} we'll probably have to re-rate it .", "Project Manager : Yes , I would've thought so .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah we'll make the adjustments", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and then see how are rates are going .", "Project Manager : Okay , so what was it , control uh F_ eight , wasn't it ?", "User Interface : Ah it's on .", "Marketing : {gap} it's come on already .", "Project Manager : Oh . Oh . How kind . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Right , okay . So , you can see there that the {disfmarker} If you want to keep kinetic , right , you've got a choice there of going down to battery , which would save you one . You've got the sample sensor and and sample speaker , which is your big item .", "Industrial Designer : Oh actually we just have a plastic case , then we lose two points ,", "Project Manager : That's right .", "Industrial Designer : which gets us um {disfmarker} In {disfmarker} right within the budget range .", "Project Manager : Which gets you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : Yeah , I think that'd be fine . Because that was just a trend , and we do have rubber buttons anyway .", "Industrial Designer : So that's eleven point seven ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and then we could make sure we definitely had all the button supplements .", "Project Manager : Alright .", "Marketing : Different different colours , yeah . Yeah , I was I was thinking that because maybe maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than the sort of you know sleeker plastic case .", "Industrial Designer : Possibly , yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And that would allow us to have all the technical innovations . So we'd lose a little bit on the {disfmarker} maybe kind of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So we're going for plastic , yes ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Lose a little bit on the fashion , yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , and that would now be {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And then {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's that's within the budget . Um {disfmarker} Do we actually have {disfmarker} Do we just have one special {disfmarker} uh {gap} special forms down here ?", "Project Manager : Well , uh w uh there was debate as to how you would count them . You got special colour .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well originally I was assuming we had the red apple , and therefore , that was the special colour .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And we we've we've got {disfmarker} we've got enough for another", "User Interface : Yeah , I think we should just imagine white buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} we've got nought point eight left ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : so we've got enough for another {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , we've got special form . Now that would be one button , and the question was was that all buttons or is that just one button . 'Cause our plan really was to have one button only with a special {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So so no matter how you look at that , that would be the same .", "Industrial Designer : But the {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but but the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : The other thing would then be special material , rubber , wood , titanium .", "Industrial Designer : I think maybe the special colour , we've got three now just because {gap} the volume buttons are different ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I guess we'd have the ones which are blue at the moment would would just be the standard colour .", "Project Manager : Alright . So , special colour , you want three in there .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , which I think we should {disfmarker} Yeah , they'll still be fine for the for the price .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Well I thin I think you you you just need two for the special colour 'cause it's just two supplements , you know . One original colour and then sort of two supplements , I think maybe .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} That makes sense .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , uh that's probably it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . So we only ne we only need two for that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : 'Cause I mean these these are moulded . The one colour's gonna be moulded out of a piece of plas uh of rubber , isn't it .", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah , I would agree with that , I think . And we've got special form {vocalsound} is the one apple .", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : The rest are all standard , although you could argue that should maybe be {disfmarker} You were making these buttons down the bottom , I was presuming , bigger than the other ones , or were you ? Was that the idea ?", "Industrial Designer : Ne uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , the volume ones should stand out a bit .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe that'll be a second supplement . Then there's a spe a second special form .", "Marketing : Yeah , that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh . I would have thought that's probably about r {vocalsound} well . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker} Well you got you got twelve .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay , so tha", "Industrial Designer : So I think that should still be okay . Yeah , that's twelve point three ,", "Project Manager : Right .", "Industrial Designer : so we're still within budget on that . Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yep , that makes sense .", "Industrial Designer : So {gap} decide we've lost a little bit on the fashion and lost a bit on the fancy kinda side of it ,", "Project Manager : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : but generally speaking , we've kept the other attributes to the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I woulda said so . Yeah . So you'd maybe put fash fan uh fashion at three rather than two .", "Industrial Designer : That's without {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : So shall we do a {disfmarker} Well , um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And specially it definitely could fits the the real product {disfmarker} What was the {disfmarker} what's the company name ?", "Project Manager : Real Reaction produ", "User Interface : Real Reactions ?", "Industrial Designer : R yeah . Yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : I'm not quite sure , what does that mean ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I mean it still seems definitely fit that p so that's like if that's the new age kind of um inno innovative c type company , then um having the kinetic feature and the voice recognition is p quite high up on {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , so {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yep {vocalsound} I would s", "Marketing : So it's w if we've if we've put in for another special form on a button , then maybe they could be {vocalsound} a different shape . Like we got a cherry one . Maybe other ones could be something else shaped . {vocalsound} I don't know . That would be poss seeing as seeing as it's cheaper to make them a different {disfmarker} {vocalsound} seeing as we've got , you know , we've made it a a special form , so", "Project Manager : You mean of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {disfmarker} And that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one . And it would sort of , you know , keep it quite fancy as well ,", "Project Manager : Well you could argue you might do it once a year , you would change ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : I don't know .", "Project Manager : because at the moment you're making a red apple . So next year you could make {disfmarker} next year's model the same , but have it as a a yeah whate whatever , a lemon .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah so it's a {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well you could {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Whatever fruit was in fashion next year . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , l a lemon lemon or something .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , I mean the volume buttons could be lemons or something , maybe . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And that", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : amount {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay . So , we've {disfmarker} what have we what have we rid of . We got rid of the plastic .", "Project Manager : Yeah , we've {disfmarker} the main thing we've changed really is the casing isn't it ?", "Marketing : Is it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That {disfmarker} yeah , that was uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The rubber .", "Industrial Designer : that was just about all .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think we've saved quite a bit because we've just got the push-button interface , which is by far the cheapest .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker} So maybe in a sense not having that , maybe we've lost some {disfmarker} maybe lost something on the innovation side ?", "Marketing : But uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I dunno . And {gap} that is like the most standard type of button .", "Marketing : So I mean , we've got {disfmarker} we got rid of the rubber case , but we've now s we now sort of got an extra form , and an extra colour for the buttons . So maybe in terms of sort of fanciness and fashionability , we're pretty much the same , maybe .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So , I mean we could maybe put two again on them .", "Industrial Designer : And everything else has stayed pretty much the same , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , ease has certainly stayed .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , plus if anything that is special forms makes it slightly easier to to use .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . And what about the sort of innovation ?", "Industrial Designer : Um , well we've still got the kinetic energy . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Do you think {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : And the speech feature .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , the speech feature .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And then , the corporate identity .", "Industrial Designer : I think we've cut just about the same . We've maybe lost {disfmarker} Hasn't it {disfmarker} It's hard to tell how the rubber the rubber casing would really affect {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : How it would play out , yeah . Oh .", "Marketing : Yeah . Whether whether that's considered to be sort of part of the corporate identity , I don't know . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I mean , it's maybe not . I mean {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But I think more the the features of the actual control will be more important than maybe than the the actual aesthetics , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But either way , I think we've made it fairly close to what {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . Okay , well I mean {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , I don't see how we could make it any more . Um , apart from maybe doing the whole thing in the kinda light shade of blue , like the casing .", "Marketing : We cou Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} But then what colour would you make the R_s ?", "Industrial Designer : {gap} just the the company logo . So maybe there's like a set design which we get printed off .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Well , but you've got the company logo on there , which would effectively be a stick-on badge . So you're {disfmarker} in a sense , you're comparing the product without the company logo .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : And then y but you've got the space for it to stick it on .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Hey , what what what's the company colour ? Did you get told what the company colour is or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I'm still not quite sure we've established that .", "User Interface : No ,", "Project Manager : Don't think so .", "User Interface : I just {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But but i but in the sense that , as you saw with um the Windows logo badge , it doesn't really matter .", "User Interface : We got the logo off the web browser .", "Marketing : Oh right .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : There's virtually n The way that you frame , you know , the Windows badge on there , it really doesn't matter what colour it is ,", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : {gap} so long as our company's logo is framed w in the same way as that with a like a black outline .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Fact , they've got black and white or black and silver . So basically , even if you had a silver {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the same colour of silver on your display , because you've got effectively a double edging on the uh on the logo , it means that it splits off what your logo is from the from the product .", "Marketing : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And that's actually quite a sneaky way of doing it .", "Marketing : Okay . Uh-huh . 'Cause you've got sort of {disfmarker} we've got point two to play with if you really wanted to .", "Project Manager : You could put in another {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Another colour .", "Project Manager : Well , in this one , you've actually got three colours of buttons .", "Marketing : Or would that be t", "Project Manager : Well , we decided that the blue ones were the um the standard colour .", "Marketing : Yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : So you were talking about uh um {disfmarker} We're assuming that all the buttons on the second panel , the hidden away panel , would all be standard .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Which m may or may not be the case .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Shall we save the point two for profitability then ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well , yeah . Bu but but uh was the was there not a button that you were thinking of on the um on the other opt you know , on the second page , as it were , that uh you were thinking of maybe having as a different colour ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um , I don't think they would really need to be . I think if they were just all small round blue buttons , it'd be fine .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , maybe we've m {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Needs to be an enter button , but could just be the same as well .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe for the the one they're gonna see all the time , we make it look good , and um , fit the kind of idea of what they want .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And then for the more functional buttons , we don't worry too much about that and just have that as like a {disfmarker} plus it's hidden away anyway , you're not gonna see it at the start .", "Marketing : Yeah . I mean it's the sort of thing that , I mean , you wanna pick up the controller and just hit a button quickly to change the channel or volume .", "Project Manager : Yeah , well {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So , if it's dead obvious , then that's fine . But if you're opening the panel and you're looking and you're tuning , then you're paying a bit more attention . So it may be sort of different colour buttons isn't so important .", "Project Manager : Alright . Okay .", "Marketing : 'Cause you {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So we just add that to profitability in effect . {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , I mean so we've dropped the cost , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Right , so we're meant to finish up in five minutes .", "Marketing : Same sort of function ? The criteria ? It's alright .", "Industrial Designer : 'Kay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Just made a load of money . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Shouldn't we maybe lose a point on fashion , go to a three ? 'Cause we've lost the overall spongy feel . 'Cause it doesn't seem right that it just hasn't changed at all . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , but I think we said that w Because you got rid of the rubber , we put an extra an extra sort of fruit um shape on one of the buttons .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Alright .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {gap} le lemon sh", "User Interface : Did we decide what that was , which button it was ? On the volume ones ?", "Marketing : I think {disfmarker} well , we could have lemon shaped ones with the volume ones or something . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Right . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh , {gap} . That's good .", "Marketing : Or something like that . Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Definitely lemon shaped .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Did {disfmarker} did you have to have a rubber case , though , for rubber buttons ? Or was it the other way around ?", "Industrial Designer : You had to have rubber buttons if you had the rubber case .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So I think we can {disfmarker} we're okay .", "Marketing : Right , okay .", "Project Manager : So we're okay this way around .", "Marketing : Yeah . So that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Until the design team comes in and says , get off .", "Marketing : so we've saved {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But you are the design team . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Then we say it's fine , so it's all good .", "Marketing : Saved two Euros on that .", "Project Manager : So what bit are we on to ?", "User Interface : Um , can I just check if that's a cherry or an apple ? Did we decide against the apple because of Apple Mac ? And did we make it a cherry officially ?", "Project Manager : Yeah . I th I th {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Oh . Right , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Just in case we need that point two for lawsuits and such like . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh drats , I've botched that , haven't I .", "User Interface : So were we aiming for a certain target on that scale ?", "Marketing : Well , we're aiming for um one for all of them .", "User Interface : Right .", "Marketing : M but it really has to fit into the budget , so {disfmarker} I guess we just have to adjust things to get it i in the {disfmarker} Which is fair enough . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And we seem to have {gap} least something in each criteria . We haven't completely left anything out , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah , I think", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} As an overall product which has to be quite cheap , we've just about achieved everything .", "Marketing : most {disfmarker} Yeah . Yep .", "User Interface : So do we have anything else to discuss ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I don't know . What's on the agenda ?", "Project Manager : Right , okay um {disfmarker} What's happened here ? Right , okay um {disfmarker} Mm {vocalsound} . Right , okay um , {gap} {disfmarker} Right . So we got {disfmarker} So we've done the the finance bit and the Excel project and the {disfmarker} We've done the redesign .", "Industrial Designer : We've got the closing ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 34, "turns": [ 31, 43 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "general findings , remote control device", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing announced that the important aspects for remote control were fancy look and feel, technologically innovative and user-friendly.", "title": "Important Aspect for Remote Control Device", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "general findings , remote control device", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Based on the general feedback, the subject group was preferred a fancy look and feel, rather than the current functional design. This was the most important aspect, twice as important as the second, technologically innovative, which was in turn twice as important as the feature that the marketing predicted, that it should be easy to use.", "title": "Important Aspect for Remote Control Device", "relevant_turns": [ 10 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay , so shall we start with the first presentation ?", "Marketing : Shall I ?", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : Yes if you feel {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay . We just connect up .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : Thank you . There we go . Okay um so we decided on our market and so this feedback from the marketing department is really about trend watching . Um {vocalsound} the methods we used to decide on uh current trends and so on , market trends , were that we did our traditional {disfmarker} uh our usual market research study uh with a hundred subjects and the the general feedback from them is that the most im uh w I'm sorry I'm slightly tongue-tied after lunch ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's okay {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : sorry Project Manager {vocalsound} . Um we decided on the most important aspect i uh required in a remote control device and we'll come to that later . So that was one of the first things we did . Also with our company um being forerunners in uh putting fashion into technology , we also looked at a fashion update um using our consultants on fashion and design in Paris and Milan . {vocalsound} Uh so the general findings from that was uh in the market trends the most important aspect for remote controls were people want a fancy look and feel , rather than the the current functional look and feel of remote controls . They also also want a remote control to be technologically innovative , and of course , as we predicted , that it should be easy to use . Now I should point out that the first of those findings , fancy look and feel , is the most important , is twice as important as the second , technologically innovative , which is in turn twice as important as being easy to use . So possibly that the feature that we put first is actually third is still important , but it's third in order of preference for the the subject group we looked at .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay , um , now the fashion update which relates to very personal preferences among our subject group , um we found from our um consultants in Paris and Milan who des attended all the design and fashion fairs there , that fruit and vegetables are going to be the theme for clothes , shoes and furniture . So should we be thinking of using something like that in our remote control design too ? There also seems to be um a trend towards a spongy feel to materials , uh again in contrast to last year . So a lot of interesting feedback there , both from our market research departments and from our people in Paris and Milan . Be interesting to see what our design people make of that ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 34, "turns": [ 0, 41 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new television remote control , first meeting", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "In the first meeting, they were discussing how to introduce in the market the new television remote control. Project Manager spoke in a general way about the features of what they expected about the remote control, like the creative project, statistics, the industrial design, and the price. Besides, Project Manager made a dynamic with the people involved in the project, so they were more confident in each other.", "title": "Introducing New Idea About a Television Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 36, 39, 41 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "new television remote control , first meeting", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager introduced to the new team the whole idea of the new television remote control. The idea was to create a new product with the latest developments in technology achieving the best product in the market, something that everybody wanted and at a good price to the company. In that first meeting, Project Manager was creative at letting people feel free of asking anything about the new product and themselves. The first person to introduce himself was Andrew, the Market researcher, who was in charge of the statistics information of what people wanted from the new design from the fashion and the practicality point of view. The second one was Kendra, who was User Interface but didn't have a lot of experience with the topic, and the third person was Katie, who was presenting the inter workings of the remote control. One of the next specifications that Project Manager mentioned was that the remote control needed to be original, different and friendly, but at a low cost for the company. The idea was selling it for twenty-five Euro but with the cost of the product of twelve Euros, so the profit was fifty percent.", "title": "Introducing New Idea About a Television Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 36, 39, 41 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "favourite animal", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager wanted to test the whiteboard by making a virtual drawing of their favourite animal. Marketing's favourite animal was a badger, User Interface's favourite animal was the duck, Industrial Designer's favourite animals were the horses and Project Manager chose the homo sapiens.", "title": "Testing Whiteboard", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 3 ], 5, [ 7, 8 ], 10, [ 12, 14 ], 16, 18, 20, [ 22, 24 ], 26, 28, [ 30, 32 ], [ 34, 35 ], [ 37, 38 ], 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "favourite animal", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "In order to test the whiteboard, Project Manager proposed to make a virtual drawing on the whiteboard of their favourite animal. Marketing's favourite animal was a badger because of its contrast of black and white and mentioned that Marketing's wife thought that Marketing's beard looked like a badger's arse because of the white streaks in it. User Interface's favourite animal was the duck because of its look, its fly, swim or walk. Industrial Designer's favourite animals were the horses for no particular reason. Finally, Project Manager mentioned not being sure about a favourite animal, but finally chose the Homo sapiens because of their ability to make mobile phones and tv control remotes.", "title": "Testing Whiteboard", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 3 ], 5, [ 7, 8 ], 10, [ 12, 14 ], 16, 18, 20, [ 22, 24 ], 26, 28, [ 30, 32 ], [ 34, 35 ], [ 37, 38 ], 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , company , good price", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager welcomed the new television remote control. It had the latest developments in technology, design and demand. They wanted to make the best product in the market at a good price for the consumer and the company. In order to make that possible, they needed the support of the market research person for presenting information statistics, also they needed interface designing for preconceived ideas about the design and the creative process as well as they needed the industrial designer to present the inter-workings of the remote control. One main need for the remote control was that it needed to be original, something that other remote controls didn't have. Besides, they needed to sell it for twenty-five Euros. They wanted to make an overall profit for the company of fifty million. In order to do that, the production cost needed to be 12 Euros, so the gross profit would've been fifty percent.", "title": "Important Features for a New Television Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 41 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , company , good price", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager introduced to the whole team the development of the new television remote control. Remote control that contained the latest technology, design, demand, good price for the consumer and for the company. One of the main features was to sell it for twenty-five Euros, but it needed to cost twelve Euros in order to profit the fifty percent.", "title": "Important Features for a New Television Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 2, 4, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 41 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control . Uh this follows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uh the the latest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh {vocalsound} uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this the the very best product th that's possible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company . Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that . Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh {vocalsound} just as vital to this project", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : um {vocalsound} I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um {disfmarker} designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design . Um . {vocalsound} What's uh {disfmarker} the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh {vocalsound} everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say . Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um {gap} everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh {disfmarker} uh everybody's experience is please do so . Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you {disfmarker} you're looking to make . So we'll start with Andrew .", "Marketing : Oh my name's Andrew I'm a {disfmarker} I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to {gap} like {disfmarker} and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view .", "Project Manager : Right {vocalsound} Kendra .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um {vocalsound} I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be {vocalsound} working on the design .", "Project Manager : Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so .", "User Interface : Right . Yep , I'm just open to being creative .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh I'm Katie ,", "Project Manager : Yep , good .", "Industrial Designer : I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , very very quickly , um {vocalsound} this {disfmarker} I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank . Everybody says what they {gap} what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do . The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario . User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and think oh yes that's {disfmarker} it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that {disfmarker} I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one . And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants . The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production . Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh {vocalsound} let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um {disfmarker} In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I {disfmarker} everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal .", "Marketing : Um , badger . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm and why ?", "Marketing : Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black {vocalsound} and white and uh {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Marketing : I feel they're {gap} underdog kind of status", "Project Manager : Oh right", "Marketing : and they're , the", "Project Manager : uh my my wife says my beard looks like a badger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um probably a duck", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Kendra .", "User Interface : I just {disfmarker} I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh . Right , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh 's horses , no particular reason why {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh , {gap} fair enough yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , I think homo sapien", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : because of their {disfmarker} their uh overall ability to uh uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Make mobile phones and T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Sorry ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : to make T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Indeed absolutely yes ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : tha that's um {disfmarker} Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh {disfmarker} we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent . {vocalsound} It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make . Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product , we're looking at making it at a very good price . Um , okay , um {vocalsound} would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 72, "turns": [ 78, 213 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "neural network", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD A spoke about on-line normalization and about it being followed by upsampling. They would finally compute delta and put the neural network. Professor B said ten in parallel with a neural net that was followed probably by some orthogonalization.", "title": "Explanation About Putting the Neural Network", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 81 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "neural network", "speaker": "PhD A , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD A said that the input of the neural network would be between log mel bands or one of the earlier stages of the processing approximately. Professor B said that most of the stuff was operating parallel with other stuff.", "title": "Explanation About Putting the Neural Network", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 81 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Time", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B spoke of Hynek going out of town and also would go out of town in a couple of weeks and said time was marching, given all the many wonderful things they could be working on. The software created by those guys was certainly a key part. PhD A said that they had been working like six weeks on the noise compensation and ended up with something that seemed reasonable.", "title": "Working on the Noise Compensation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Time", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B said there was something central and there were not a least a bunch of different versions going off in ways that differed trivially, this was regarding the software created. The idea was to freeze a certain ser of options for the moment and run it in a particular way so they could decide on what things would be experimented with as opposed to experimenting with everything. Professor B suggested keeping a certain set of things constant and they could describe briefly what they were to keep constant. PhD A said finally it was Wiener filtering on FFT bins and it used two steps, smoothing of the transfer function which was the first step was along time, that used recursion. Further smoothing along frequency using a sliding window of twenty FFT bins, was the next step.", "title": "Working on the Noise Compensation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B thought maybe PhD A had been working on the details since the last meeting. PhD A talked about the new training. Professor B suggested they recap since PhD A and PhD E were not there in the previous meeting. Professor B said they had half the data rate they allowed and explained that the initial thing came from the meeting they had down south and said they would go to something better later on regarding how they could put in a mel spectrum but said the initial things was cepstra and spectra behave differently.", "title": "Discussions Held in the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 80, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "meeting", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A talked about training a new VAD and a new feature net since the previous meeting. Professor B guessed they should recap the conclusions of the previous meeting and also spoke about them putting a mel spectrum as the second one and that it was cheap and easy.", "title": "Discussions Held in the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 80, 90 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reverberation", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B talked about the work being done in reverberation and about one of the things they found was that for an artificial situation they could just deal with the reverberations and the techniques really well. The real situation had a problem with the reverberation. Professor B said it might be nice to take the noise removal part of it and put it at the front and mentioned generating a new file or whatever and then doing the reverberation part.", "title": "Difference of Reverberation in Artificial and Real Situations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reverberation", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; But you have a resynthesized thing that's an option here; one of the things that we 're finding is that it's for an artificial situation, we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well . But for the real situation, problem is, is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise.", "title": "Difference of Reverberation in Artificial and Real Situations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "German", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B asked if a test on the German and Danish was actually carried out, and further explained that talking about second, was comparing the numbers got on by the system before. Professor B said that they were essentially second, they had a couple of systems and the others also had a couple of systems, so they were third and gave a reason for the conclusion, they were second institutionally.", "title": "Rank of the System Without German and Danish", "relevant_turns": [ [ 98, 100 ], [ 103, 107 ], [ 115, 117 ], [ 127, 130 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "German", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B; you haven't tested it actually on German and Danish; ranking didn't before; where this is to where theirs was without the German and Danish; by that we were third, there were two systems that were pretty close, that came from the same place; we were second with the third system.", "title": "Rank of the System Without German and Danish", "relevant_turns": [ [ 98, 100 ], [ 103, 107 ], [ 115, 117 ], [ 127, 130 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interaction", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said it was clear they were not with the real case they were looking at and because the interaction between reverberation and noise was considerable hence they could not look at reverberation in isolation. Professor B also spoke about what they had looked at in the past, and that it was hard enough, the interaction between channel effects and additive effects and it was hard enough. Professor B did not think they were really trying to deal with that. They had to start and in any real situation where the microphone was distant, both things would be present and they had to think of both.", "title": "Interaction Between Noise and Reverberation Issue", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "interaction", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said in a sense that was what they were trying to deal with in the Aurora task and that they had the LDA stuff that in principle did something about convolutional effects, and added that they had noise suppression that was doing something about the noise and concluded that this was hard enough too. Professor B said the online normalization was also in this category. Professor B continued throwing in reverberation was worse because of the effects and some other long-term effects, Dave had something that was doing some nice things under some conditions with long time effects but when there was noise too it was pretty hard. Professor B spoke about there being the noise suppression thing, which sort of worked out, and talked of the Weiner Filtering that was followed by the FFT level.", "title": "Noise Suppression and LDA Stuff in the Aurora Task", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 60 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD E : What 's new ?", "Professor B : Well , I mean , I think maybe the thing to me might be {disfmarker} I me I 'm sure you 've just been working on {disfmarker} on , uh , details of that since the meeting , right ? And so {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Mmm , since the meeting , well , I {disfmarker} I 've been {disfmarker} I 've been train training a new VAD and a new {pause} feature net .", "Professor B : That was {disfmarker} that was Tuesday . OK .", "PhD A : So they should be ready . Um .", "Professor B : But I guess maybe the thing {disfmarker} since you weren't {disfmarker} yo you guys weren't at that {disfmarker} that meeting , might be just {disfmarker} just to , um , sort of recap , uh , the {disfmarker} the conclusions of the meeting .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : Oh , great .", "Professor B : So .", "PhD E : You 're talking about the meeting with Hynek ?", "Professor B : Yeah . Cuz that was sort of , uh {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we 'd sort of been working up to that , that {disfmarker} that , uh , he would come here this week and {disfmarker} and we would sort of {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : Since he 's going out of town like now , and I 'm going out town in a couple weeks , uh , and time is marching , sort of , given all the mu many wonderful things we could be working on , what {disfmarker} what will we actually focus on ?", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , uh {disfmarker} and what do we freeze ? And , you know , what do we {disfmarker} ? So , um . I mean , this {pause} software that these guys created was certainly a {disfmarker} a key part . So then there 's something central and there aren't at least a bunch of different versions going off in {disfmarker} in ways that {pause} differ {pause} trivially . Uh , um , and , um ,", "PhD E : Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's nice .", "Professor B : and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on what things are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything . So keep a certain set of things constant . So , um . Uh , maybe describe roughly what {disfmarker} what we are keeping constant for now , or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD A : Yeah . Well . So we 've been working like six weeks on {disfmarker} on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable . Um .", "PhD E : Are you gonna use {disfmarker} which of the two techniques ?", "PhD A : So finally it 's {disfmarker} it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins . And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the first step , that 's along time , which use recursion . And {vocalsound} after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window of twenty FFT bins . Mmm . And , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD E : So this is on the {disfmarker} uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah .", "PhD E : This is {disfmarker}", "PhD A : It was {disfmarker}", "Professor B : This {disfmarker} this smoothing is done on the estimate , um , of what you 're going to subtract ? Or on the thing that has already had something subtracted ?", "PhD A : Yeah . Uh , {vocalsound} it 's on the transfer function . So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Oh , it 's on the transfer function for the Wiener filter .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , OK .", "PhD A : Yeah , so basically we tried {vocalsound} different configuration within this idea . We tried u u applying this on mel bands , having spectral subtraction instead of wiener filtering . Um . Well , finally we end up with {pause} this configuration that works , uh , quite well . So we are going to fix this for the moment and work on the other aspects of {vocalsound} the whole system .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Actually , let me int eh , Dave isn't here to talk about it , but let me just interject . This module , in principle , i I mean , you would know whether it 's {vocalsound} true in fact , is somewhat independent from the rest of it . I mean , because you {disfmarker} you re - synthesize speech , right ?", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , um . Uh , well you don't {disfmarker} I guess you don't re - synthesize speech , but you could {disfmarker}", "PhD A : We {disfmarker} we do not fo", "Professor B : Uh , but you could .", "PhD A : Well {disfmarker} well , we do , but we don't {disfmarker} don't re - synthesize . In {disfmarker} in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again . We just use the clean FFT bins .", "Professor B : But you have a re - synthesized thing that you {disfmarker} that 's an {disfmarker} an option here .", "PhD A : This is an option that {disfmarker} then you can {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} for the {disfmarker} for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well . But for the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise . And if you don't include that in the model , it doesn't work very well . So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at . And , uh , generate new files or whatever , and {disfmarker} and , uh , uh {disfmarker} and then do the reverberation part .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Mmm .", "Professor B : Anyway .", "PhD E : So Dave hasn't {pause} tried that yet ?", "Professor B : No , no . He 's {disfmarker} I mean , e", "PhD E : I guess he 's busy with {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , prelims , right .", "Grad C : Pre - prelim hell .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : So .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh , but {disfmarker} but , you know , that 'll {disfmarker} uh , it 's clear that we , uh {disfmarker} we are not {disfmarker} with the real case that we 're looking at , we can't just look at reverberation in isolation because the interaction between that and noise is {disfmarker} is considerable . And that 's I mean , in the past we 've looked at , uh , and this is hard enough , the interaction between channel effects and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} and additive noise , uh , so convolutional effects and {disfmarker} and additive effects . And that 's hard enough . I mean , I don't think we really {disfmarker} I mean , we 're trying to deal with that . In a sense that 's what we 're trying to deal with in this Aurora task . And we have , uh , the , uh , uh , LDA stuff that in principle is doing something about convolutional effects . And we have the noise suppression that 's doing something about noise . Uh , even that 's hard enough . And {disfmarker} and the on - line normalization as well , in that s category . i i There 's all these interactions between these two and that 's part of why these guys had to work so hard on {disfmarker} on juggling everything around . But now when you throw in the reverberation , it 's even worse , because not only do you have these effects , but you also have some long time effects . And , um , so Dave has something which , uh , is doing some nice things under some conditions with {disfmarker} with long time effects but when it 's {disfmarker} when there 's noise there too , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's pretty hard . So we have to start {disfmarker} Since any {disfmarker} almost any real situation is gonna have {disfmarker} uh , where you have the microphone distant , is going to have both things , we {disfmarker} we actually have to think about both at the same time .", "PhD E : Hmm .", "Professor B : So , um {disfmarker} So there 's this noise suppression thing , which is sort of worked out and then , uh , maybe you should just continue telling what {disfmarker} what else is in the {disfmarker} the form we have .", "PhD A : Yeah , well , {vocalsound} the , um , the other parts of the system are the {disfmarker} the blocks that were already present before and that we did not modify a lot .", "Professor B : So that 's {disfmarker} again , that {disfmarker} that 's the Wiener filtering , followed by , uh {disfmarker} uh , that 's done at the FFT level . Then {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah , th then the mel filter bank ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : then the log operation ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor B : The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the filtering is done in the frequency domain ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , OK . And then the mel and then the log , and then the", "PhD A : Then the LDA filter ,", "Professor B : LDA filter .", "PhD A : mmm , then the downsampling ,", "Professor B : And then uh downsample ,", "PhD A : DCT ,", "Professor B : DCT ,", "PhD A : then , um , on - line normalization ,", "Professor B : on - line norm ,", "PhD A : followed by {pause} upsampling . Then finally , we compute delta and we put the neural network also .", "Professor B : Right , and then in parallel with {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} a neural net . And then following neural net , some {disfmarker} probably some orthogonalization .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker} Um .", "PhD A : And finally frame dropping , which um , {vocalsound} would be a neural network also , used for estimated silence probabilities . And the input of this neural network would be somewhere between log {pause} mel bands or one of the earlier stages of the processing .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm . So that 's sort of {disfmarker} most of this stuff is {disfmarker} yeah , is operating parallel with this other stuff .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah . So the things that we , um , uh , I guess we sort of {disfmarker} uh , There 's {disfmarker} there 's some , uh , neat ideas for {vocalsound} V A So , I mean , in {disfmarker} I think there 's sort of like {disfmarker} There 's a bunch of tuning things to improve stuff . There 's questions about {pause} various places where there 's an exponent , if it 's the right exponent , or {pause} ways that we 're estimating noise , that we can improve estimating noise . And there 's gonna be a host of those . But structurally it seemed like the things {disfmarker} the main things that {disfmarker} that we brought up that , uh , are {disfmarker} are gonna need to get worked on seriously are , uh , uh , a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a significantly better VAD , uh , putting the neural net on , um , which , you know , we haven't been doing anything with , the , uh , neural net at the end there , and , uh , the , uh , {vocalsound} opening up the second front . Uh .", "PhD E : The other half of the channel ?", "Professor B : Yeah , yeah , I mean , cuz we {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker} we have , uh , uh , half the {disfmarker} the , uh , data rate that they allow .", "PhD E : That what you mean ?", "Professor B : And , uh , so the initial thing which came from , uh , the meeting that we had down south was , uh , that , um , we 'll initially just put in a mel spectrum as the second one . It 's , you know , {pause} cheap , easy . Uh . There 's a question about exactly how we do it . We probably will go to something better later , but the initial thing is that cepstra and spectra behave differently ,", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : so . Um , {comment} I think Tony Robinson used to do {disfmarker} I was saying this before . I think he used to do mel , uh , spectra and mel cepstra . He used them as alternate features . Put them together .", "PhD E : Hmm .", "Professor B : Uh .", "PhD E : So if you took the system the way it is now , the way it 's fro you 're gonna freeze it , and it ran it on the last evaluation , where it would it be ?", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . It , uh ,", "PhD E : In terms of ranking ?", "PhD A : Ri - right now it 's second .", "PhD D : Second .", "PhD A : Um .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Although you {disfmarker} you know , you haven't tested it actually on the German and Danish , have you ?", "PhD A : No , we didn't . No , um .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : So on the ones that you did test it on it would have been second ?", "Professor B : Yeah . Would it {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} When you 're saying second , you 're comparing to the numbers that the , uh {disfmarker} that the best system before got on , uh {disfmarker} also without German and Danish ?", "PhD A : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , OK .", "PhD D : And th the ranking actually didn't change after the German and Danish . So , yeah .", "Professor B : Well ranking didn't before , but I 'm just asking where this is to where theirs was without the German and Danish ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : right ?", "PhD D : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor B : So .", "PhD E : Where {disfmarker} where {disfmarker} where were we actually on the last test ?", "Professor B : Oh , we were also esp essentially second , although there were {disfmarker} there were {disfmarker} I mean , we had a couple systems and they had a couple systems . And so , I guess by that {pause} we were third , but I mean , there were two systems that were pretty close , that came from the same place .", "PhD E : Uh - huh . I see . OK .", "Professor B : Uh , so institutionally we were {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we were second , with , uh , the third {disfmarker} third system .", "PhD E : We 're {disfmarker} so this second that you 're saying now is system - wide second ?", "Professor B : See {disfmarker} Uh , no I think it 's also institutional , isn't it ?", "PhD E : Still institutionally second ?", "Professor B : Right ? I mean , I think both of their systems probably {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Uh , we are between their two systems . So", "Professor B : Oh , are we ?", "PhD A : I {disfmarker} It is a triumph .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Is it ?", "PhD D : Their {disfmarker} their first system is fifty - four point something . And , uh , we are fifty - three point something .", "PhD A : But everything is {pause} within the range of one {disfmarker} one percent .", "PhD D : And their second system is also fifty - three point something . Yeah , one percent .", "Professor B : Yeah , so {disfmarker} so basically they 're all {disfmarker} they 're all pretty close .", "PhD E : Oh , wow !", "PhD A : So .", "PhD E : That 's very close .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 1, 16 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "efficacy of the law", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM asked about the law as it currently stands today, saying that a review was undertaken by the Government in 2007 which stated that there was no need to change anything, as there was no evidence that it's not working satisfactorily. Barry Hughes argued that there are different legal interpretations, the law is evolutionary in nature, and it should reflect contemporary society, which is not happening. Barry Hughes also said that there were gray areas in the law that lead to different ways to follow a case, so the way it applies depends on the facts of each individual case. Sian Gwenllian AM agreed to that.", "title": "Evolutionary Law and its Gray Areas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 8 ], [ 12, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "efficacy of the law", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM asked how the law protects children as it presently stands, and mentioned a review was undertaken by the Government in 2007 that stated that retaining the law would be the best thing to do because there's no evidence that it's not working satisfactorily. Barry Hughes said the law is evolutionary in nature, it should reflect contemporary society, and there's evidence within the 2007 review that opinions are changing. Barry Hughes said there are multiple shades of gray in between, and there's rarely a case of being black and white.", "title": "Evolutionary Law and its Gray Areas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 8 ], [ 12, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "legal framework , efficacy of the law", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes inquired about how the law protects children, saying that there are different Acts that may be used as a defense for assault upon a child because of the reasonable punishment. Barry Hughes also said that the law should reflect contemporary society and should be evolutionary in nature, and argued that opinions are already changing, and so should the law. Barry Hughes said that when it comes to prosecuting, things aren't just black and white; as there are multiple shades of gray in between, which leads to different interpretations of the legislation, and stated that every case is going to be unique on its own facts, as well as the police decisions and how the law proceeds after that.", "title": "Barry Hughes' View about Legal Framework's Efficacy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "legal framework , efficacy of the law", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that there are different Acts that may be used as a defense for assault upon a child because of the reasonable punishment. Barry Hughes also said that the law should reflect contemporary society, and it should be evolutionary in nature. Barry Hughes said that when it comes to prosecuting, it's often the case that things aren't just black and white; as there are multiple shades of gray in between. Barry Hughes also argued that the interpretation of the present legislation differs according to people, due to the degree of confusion around the acts. Barry Hughes stated that a lot depends upon the circumstances, so every case is going to be unique on its own facts.", "title": "Barry Hughes' View about Legal Framework's Efficacy", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prosecutions , two-stage test", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "When the police files material evidence, the code for Crown prosecutors is applied, which has a two-stage test. The first stage is whether there's sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction, and the case may get to the second stage only if the first stage is satisfied, and then it's considered in the public interest to prosecute. It's a matter for the police whether they refer a matter to the Crown Prosecution Service.", "title": "Two-stage Test of Prosecutions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "prosecutions , two-stage test", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "When a file of material evidence is submitted by the police, the code for Crown prosecutors is applied, which has a two-stage test. The first stage is whether there's sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction, and the case may get to the second stage only if the first stage is satisfied, and then it's considered in the public interest to prosecute. If there isn't enough evidence, there's no consideration whether it's in the public interest, because an offense wouldn't be put before the courts if there wasn't a realistic prospect of conviction. So, it only gets to the public interest stage once the evidential stage is satisfied, and it's a matter for the police whether they refer a matter to the Crown Prosecution Service.", "title": "Two-stage Test of Prosecutions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 13 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "children protection , reasonable punishment", "speaker": "Sian Gwenllian AM , Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Sian Gwenllian AM asked about the law as it currently stands today, specifically how it protects children in terms of reasonable punishment. Barry Hughes argued that there are different legal interpretations and consequences in children and adult cases, and because of some legal acts a person accused of assaulting a child can argue reasonable punishment. Barry Hughes said that the law should reflect contemporary society, and that young people find it less acceptable to use reasonable punishment in chastising a child. Sian Gwenllian AM said that reasonable punishment defense should be taken out to make things clearer for parents and professionals, Barry Hughes answered that although it would make life clearer, there were degrees of gray, and it depended upon the circumstances of the child.", "title": "Sian Gwenllian AM and Barry Hughes' View on Children Reasonable Punishment.", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "CPS ( Crown Prosecution Service ) , police", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that when it comes to prosecuting, there are multiple shades of gray in between, but there's a point at which it crosses the threshold from something that needs to be reported to the police, and if the police think it's a case that should be prosecuted, they would bring it to the Crown Prosecution Service for a charging decision. Barry Hughes also said that if the 'Reasonable chastisement' defense is removed, there would be a greater possibility of referral to the CPS by the police, but it will depend on the facts of each individual case.", "title": "Police and CPS Prosecution, according to Barry Hughes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 14 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Barry Hughes : Perfectly happy.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Thank you very much. I would like to start just by looking in general at how the law currently stands, and how do you think the law as it currently stands today, and specifically in terms of reasonable punishment\u2014how does that protect children.", "Barry Hughes : Sorry, can I just be clear? How does the law as it presently stands protect children?", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes.", "Barry Hughes : We have a range of offences created by the criminal law, going back to the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 in the middle of the century before last, which provide for offences of assault against a variety of people, including, in particular, Acts such as the Children and Young Persons Act 1933, which provides for offences that are specific to children. But the more general criminal legislation, such as the Offences Against the Person Act, does provide specifically for adults and children alike not to be subject to physical assault. In respect of children in particular, you'll be aware that we have section 58 of the Children Act 2004, which does make it a defence for a person accused of assaulting a child to argue that it was a case where they were acting only so as to impose reasonable punishment upon the child. That is a defence that is available for assault upon a child. By way of contrast, it is not available for an offence involving an adult. In that regard, it could be argued that children have fewer rights than adults.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Well, a review was undertaken by the Government back in 2007 that stated that retaining the law in its current form\u2014that that would be the best thing to do because there's no evidence that it's not working satisfactorily. You are suggesting perhaps towards the end of your answer that there could be some change that's happened since 2007.", "Barry Hughes : I think the law should reflect contemporary society and the law is evolutionary in nature, and should be evolutionary in nature. And just as if we go back 50 years there are types of behaviour that we might all have contemplated back then as being socially acceptable, many of those types of behaviour are not now, and the law has changed to reflect that. We don't need to go back a very long way to find, for example, that there was no such offence as raping one's married wife, and the law has changed to reflect the fact that that is simply not acceptable. And from what I've seen of the research, and I think back to the 2007 review, to which you've just referred, there is evidence within that review already that opinions are changing. And I've seen research more current than that that suggests that young people find it less acceptable to use reasonable punishment in chastising a child than do people of an older generation. Of course, as we move forward in time, the people who are young now are going to be the older adults of the future. So one would hope that the law will change to reflect the way in which people behave within society.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay, thank you. We have heard evidence as a committee that this proposed law would provide a much clearer legal framework\u2014that is, to take out this reasonable punishment defence, that then would make things much clearer for parents and professionals. Does the CPS have a view on that?", "Barry Hughes : I think it will make things clearer. I'm not sure it will make them much clearer, because if we get into some of the\u2014. It may be helpful to look at some examples at some stage. And when it comes to prosecuting, it's often the case that things aren't just black and white; there are multiple shades of grey in between. We know that the Children Act did introduce a degree of clarity, in that it removed the defence of reasonable chastisement for offences of causing actual bodily harm, causing grievous bodily harm, causing grievous bodily harm with intent, and various incidents of child cruelty under the Children and Young Persons Act. In that sense, matters were clarified, because up until that point it was not entirely clear. There were a series of Court of Appeal cases that sought to clarify the law, but that was at a time, at the end of the 1990s, the start of the 2000s, when we had the European convention on human rights and we had a quickly developing body of case law. And the Children Act was brought in to reflect the direction that the case law was moving in. A decision was clearly made back then in the early 2000s not to include common assault in the same category as actual bodily harm, grievous bodily harm et cetera. So, there was a decision made back then that it was appropriate to do that. As we wind forward some 15 years, I have seen the research that suggests that some people see that the present legislation, and the way in which section 58 applies to reasonable chastisement for common assault of children\u2014some people have interpreted that as saying that smacking is acceptable. I don't think that it is what it says, but there is a degree of confusion around that. And the reason why I say it's not as simple as that is, going back to my words a couple of minutes ago, it's rarely a case of being black and white; there are these degrees of grey. And removing that defence does make life clearer.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : What are the areas of grey that you refer to? Can you give a few examples?", "Barry Hughes : If you take an example\u2014so, one of the examples that I've heard discussed has been a child\u2014a young child; let's say a five-year-old child by the side of a road\u2014who darts to go out in the path of moving traffic. The parent grabs hold of the child and pulls them back. Now, technically, taking hold of the child at that point is an assault, because it's an unwanted imposition of physical force. But no-one's going to say that's anything like an assault that should come to the criminal courts. Of course, that would be utter nonsense. There's no hostility; it's simply taking hold of a child to protect them. At that point, the parent then seeks to admonish the child, tells them off and smacks the child on the legs. Now, that would probably be seen under the present law as reasonable chastisement. Probably. But so much depends upon the circumstances, whether this is something that happens frequently with the child, the size of the child, the parent, the force of the slap, the way in which it's imposed. So, that, I would say, sits at one end of the spectrum. As we move towards the other end of the spectrum, we might have repeated smacking, shouting, maybe hitting the child over the head as well. So, there is a spectrum of offending. Towards one end of the spectrum we move much closer towards something that would be criminal in nature. There'll be a point at which it crosses the threshold from something that needs to be reported to the police, and the police would take some form of action, and then, as we move through the tiers, it'll reach a stage where the police think this is a case that should be prosecuted and they would bring it to the Crown Prosecution Service for a charging decision. We would then decide the most appropriate means of dealing with it. And the absolute other end of the spectrum here is one where we decide it's an offence that we think is so serious that it should be charged and brought before a criminal court. That would be very much towards the serious end of the spectrum of the type of behaviour that I've just described to you. Does that help to illustrate that, at one end, it's relatively white and the other end it's relatively black, but in the middle we have the shades of grey?", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But that would mean that there could be more prosecutions at the softer end. Because if you're removing this\u2014we'll probably come on to that.", "Barry Hughes : Shall I address that in terms\u2014? Okay. So, you are probably aware, but forgive me if I just explain quickly anyway, when we approach a file of material evidence submitted by the police we apply the code for Crown prosecutors, which has a two-stage test. The first stage is whether there's sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction, and the second stage is\u2014. And you only get to the second stage if the first stage is satisfied. If there isn't enough evidence, we don't go on to consider whether it's in the public interest, because we wouldn't put an offence before the courts if we didn't think there was a realistic prospect of conviction. So, we only get on to the public interest stage once the evidential stage is satisfied. So, to return to the point, if we have an offence where, let's say, there is a light smack at the time, the police apply the same code before they bring a case to us. We don't always agree with the police; generally we do, but we don't always agree. It's a matter for them whether they refer a matter to the Crown Prosecution Service. So, if a police officer takes witness statements in relation to that case\u2014the light smacking on the leg\u2014at present it's unlikely that would come to the CPS, because they would look at it and say, 'Reasonable chastisement provides for a defence.' If that defence is removed, then obviously there is a greater possibility that it would be referred to the CPS. I would like to think\u2014and I think this is what will probably happen in practice\u2014that the police would take a view that the evidential test may have been satisfied because the defence had been removed, but it wouldn't be in the public interest to prosecute. It may be that the police decide that it is\u2014it may have been two smacks, three smacks, so it moves towards the end of the spectrum that would suggest that matters are becoming rather more serious. So, it may be referred to the CPS for a charging decision. We would then apply independently the same test, and we would probably conclude that the evidential stage was met in that instance because the defence no longer exists, which takes us on to considering the public interest. In the circumstances that I've described, every case is going to be unique on its own facts, but in the circumstances that I've described, if it is just a light smack and it's a one-off and there's no history of this, it would probably be the sort of offence we'd decide it wouldn't be in the public interest to prosecute.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : But isn't it creating a new grey area in terms of the police now having to decide whether repeated smacking is in the public interest to at least refer it to you to decide about that? Do you know what I'm saying?", "Barry Hughes : If this Bill goes through, then it will remove a defence, which will make it likely that the police will give this more consideration for referral to the CPS than beforehand, but it doesn't necessarily mean they will refer it, because it will depend on the facts of each individual case.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Thanks." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 32, "turns": [ 738, 1155 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "production finance", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "While discussing the production finance, Project Manager said that if the production cost wasn't under 12.5 Euros, they could have done a redesign. They discussed the components of the remote, and they removed the scroll wheel and the microphone.", "title": "Team Talking About Production Finance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 22 ], [ 368, 377 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "production finance", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Production finance should be under 12.5 Euros. 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Um and we're going to calculate the production costs , and if they are uh under or at twelve Euro fifty ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : we're good , and if they're not we're going to uh re-design ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : but we have to do that uh very very quick I think ,", "User Interface : So we're going to erase features or something .", "Project Manager : yes . Um I don't know if I", "User Interface : Do you have the cost", "Project Manager : put the Excel sheet in the", "User Interface : or uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Let's hope .", "Project Manager : n not in the", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} f fifty five Euros .", "Project Manager : folder . I think it's", "User Interface : {vocalsound} We're going to be here at eight o'clock . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I think it's still in my own documents folder .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : We're goin still going to be here at eight o'clock . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : Oh shit .", "User Interface : I doubt it . Perhaps we've got features that don't exist in the Excel sheet .", "Marketing : Yeah mm yeah , maybe .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} No ,", "Marketing : The microphone . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : it was in my uh my information , so uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It i It wasn't too much .", "Marketing : Yeah ? {gap}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : maybe you're going scrap scrap it .", "Industrial Designer : As well as the L_C_D_ screen . Whoa . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , well this is it .", "User Interface : Well , if it doesn't work {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um maybe I could ask one of you to uh fill it in , so that I can also uh take minutes ,", "User Interface : I want to fill it in , but uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and uh maybe the other can uh use that thing to count uh numerous functions .", "Marketing : No prob . Ah .", "User Interface : But you should uh direct {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Count it ? Li like write it be", "Project Manager : Well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things . But you have to fill in this column , huh ?", "Industrial Designer : Count it . You got Excel to count . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : The number of {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {gap}", "Project Manager : No , uh count uh number of functions , because for every button you have to pay {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Oh okay .", "Project Manager : and there are different screen shots , so {disfmarker} or different different screens ,", "Industrial Designer : Well I dra", "Marketing : Ah , okay , cool .", "Industrial Designer : uh Danny , Danny , I'll do that ,", "Marketing : Huh ? Yeah ? Oh , yea yeah , you design it . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : because I draw the uh", "Project Manager : so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We've got a battery , one or t two batteries , or not ? nee one battery , with two small batteries .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but it's it's more about the energy source , huh ? Do you use a hand dynamo , a battery , kinetic or solar cells ?", "User Interface : Yeah . I would do a battery {disfmarker} we do . Right ?", "Marketing : Solar cell . No", "Project Manager : We'll wait .", "User Interface : A battery . One battery ,", "Industrial Designer : No , no solar cell , no no no no .", "Marketing : it took a battery ?", "User Interface : right ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : No hand dynamo .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Electronics , simple chip {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Hand {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : We have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : advanced chip , right ?", "Marketing : No , we have sample speaker .", "Industrial Designer : On advanced chip .", "Marketing : But b al but we also have sample speaker , do", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah .", "User Interface : so this one and this one . Uh we ha we have um single {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , we already on nine .", "User Interface : what ? Are we ? Oh yay .", "Marketing : We have double curved .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The single .", "Industrial Designer : Single nee single curved . Double curved was uh uh see uh ju three dimensional .", "Marketing : Single .", "Industrial Designer : But it isn't three dimensional ,", "User Interface : Oh the the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : it isn't curved in a l", "Marketing : This one is {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : it's not going to work uh people . We have rubber .", "Marketing : This one is curved like this ,", "Project Manager : I'll just fill it in .", "Marketing : right . It's curved like this .", "Industrial Designer : No no no ,", "Project Manager : Um rubber indeed ?", "Industrial Designer : single curved is like this . Uh that's the only curve you made ,", "Marketing : Yeah , bu what {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : not th uh curved like that . That's uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , but we have curves like it and it .", "User Interface : Thirteen ?", "Marketing : There are two curves , right ? Oh , okay I understand , I understand .", "User Interface : With a scroll wheel ,", "Industrial Designer : Huh ?", "User Interface : right ? Is he integrated ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Rubber .", "User Interface : No , eh ? I don't know .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "Marketing : Push button . No , we don't have push button .", "Industrial Designer : we gotta integrate scroll wheel and push button , because when you push it and you w it won't just pu uh makes possible to s", "User Interface : Oh yeah , right , we want it to {disfmarker} it's not it's not {disfmarker} no . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Not going to work ?", "Marketing : L_C_D_ display .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Okay um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Fifteen , oh , too bad . {vocalsound} Oh but with special colour we have . A special form , right ?", "Industrial Designer : But now button supplements . We don't got the button supplements .", "User Interface : Oh , we don't have any buttons , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Eighteen and a half ,", "User Interface : Yeah , we need to uh", "Marketing : damn .", "Industrial Designer : Damn .", "Marketing : We have to lower it with six points .", "User Interface : No , uh we have fifteen and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Twelve and half .", "User Interface : oh , right . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : We could lose the curve .", "Industrial Designer : Nah .", "Marketing : We could use {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , I would lose the curve .", "Industrial Designer : We could lose the scroll wheel . You could make it just a regular scroll wheel .", "User Interface : But you can't push it , so you have to tap .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , if you can't push it you have to tap the the options window uh button here and then uh scroll down with the d with uh {vocalsound} with uh the button .", "User Interface : Yeah , alright .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think that will be our best bet .", "User Interface : So normal scroll wheel ?", "Industrial Designer : Normal scroll wheel .", "User Interface : And I think we should lose the curve .", "Marketing : I think we should scrap the sample speaker .", "Industrial Designer : Lose {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It's four pri it four units .", "User Interface : Yeah , but if you {disfmarker} would i it is a new feature , it it's something special .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so we don't exactly need the single {disfmarker} We don't need a curve .", "Marketing : But w d wha", "User Interface : No , the curve doesn't really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : 'S possible to lose curve .", "Marketing : Curved then it will be square .", "User Interface : No , then it will {disfmarker} won't uh stand up from the table . Then it would just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Was that {disfmarker} does that mean to it , single curve ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's meant with scr uh with s curve .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : The curve is uh in a dimension .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : If you make it a flat one , s n it's no curve , you got no curves .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker} We would lose this one ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , but tha that that only is one .", "User Interface : Yeah , we could s yeah , a bit .", "Industrial Designer : No , two .", "Marketing : No , one .", "User Interface : Sixteen point three .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , okay , indeed .", "Marketing : So we don't {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So we still {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , we also have to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Is it possible to make {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Could could we do it on a regular chip on print or something ?", "Marketing : No , otherwise we don't have an L_C_D_ screen .", "User Interface : No ? Ma y you just can't do that , or uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : And what did you change ? You changed the uh scroll wheel", "User Interface : We changed th", "Project Manager : and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , and the single curved to uncurved .", "Marketing : Single curved .", "Project Manager : Oh , but it's just one", "Marketing : Flat . Yeah , so that does doesn't doesn't that mu I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : point , so maybe you should should uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : Scrap sample speaker ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , you should you should drop the speech recognition .", "Industrial Designer : The sample speaker is two d wait , f s four points .", "Marketing : That that's uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , but it's t", "Marketing : Yes , four points .", "Project Manager : And then you can keep the curve .", "User Interface : Yeah , but it is uh it it is a new feature ,", "Project Manager : Or can't you ?", "User Interface : it is something special .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , uh becau uh when you lose the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , but what what else what else uh do you want to scrap ?", "User Interface : I don't know .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : F You have to {disfmarker} we have to scrap four points .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's difficult . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Or make it on a hand dynamo , but {vocalsound} I don't think that will work .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Ma make it with wood instead of rubber ?", "Industrial Designer : No , that's {disfmarker} no .", "User Interface : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : Make it w uh when you made it uh uh uh a remote control of wood ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} We could make it titanium instead of rubber .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} You don't make a remote control of {disfmarker} Ah .", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Marketing : it it i", "Project Manager : mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah , it also {disfmarker} uh it also takes one point less .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but uh a wooden remote control only helps for uh old people we discussed ,", "User Interface : Oh . Oh can I ask something ?", "Project Manager : yes ?", "User Interface : What is special colour ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Is that the wood uh wood uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think it is .", "User Interface : this , we have to have that one too ?", "Industrial Designer : It isn't .", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : What ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : but it's only a half . But I think the only option is to drop the uh sample speaker .", "Marketing : Yeah . Sample speaker .", "Industrial Designer : To knock the sample speaker , yeah . And sample sensor .", "User Interface : Th then we still have too much", "Marketing : Yeah , okay ,", "User Interface : if we use the uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But m yeah , course ,", "Marketing : three . Point three .", "Industrial Designer : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , we we scrap that one ?", "Industrial Designer : What we'll have . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Huh ?", "Industrial Designer : Let's make it thirteen or fourteen . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : See , a po", "Marketing : Point twelve {gap} .", "User Interface : three . {vocalsound} We need point three . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That's a scroll wheel . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh it's a colour . Don't make it wood .", "Industrial Designer : A colour .", "Marketing : Yeah , but a wood {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Make it uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : we can make it brown , dark brown , not wood .", "User Interface : Yeah , but it's it's special colour , is it a all kind of colours ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , special colours , fruity colours .", "User Interface : It's also green or uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Is it also {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : no that that's just normal colour {disfmarker} fruit colours .", "User Interface : Yeah , but it's a special colour than just rubber colour .", "Marketing : Normal colours , yellow {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You have to add something to the rubber to make it green .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : You don't say here's green rubber .", "Industrial Designer : They don't sell green rubber plants . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , but then I d I don't think we can ever make to a twelve and half .", "Industrial Designer : Alright .", "User Interface : Yeah , you can , you should {disfmarker} you have to lose {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But then we have to scrap L_C_D_ display , we have to scrap uh", "User Interface : No , it is the scroll wheel , I guess .", "Industrial Designer : No no no .", "Marketing : s advanced chip . No then we have to scrap everything we got because how many colours we gonna make ?", "Industrial Designer : If we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally uh depending uh dependent on uh the touch screen", "Marketing : Five ? Then we have two .", "User Interface : A push ,", "Marketing : S", "User Interface : yeah .", "Marketing : touch .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} then it's possible to make . And then you can {vocalsound} and then you can add to the colours .", "Marketing : Then we can make {disfmarker} add two colours on it . Yeah , two colours {gap} it .", "Industrial Designer : Special c", "User Interface : Switch colours .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , if you lose uh {vocalsound} if you lose the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It was such a great idea . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You lose this one , you got eleven point five", "Marketing : They can add two colours .", "Industrial Designer : and you make i and then you can make uh the spec single curve , for example .", "Marketing : But the colours . Um how ma uh the colours like l she told , is that all the colours we add or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : How d uh uh how many colours ?", "User Interface : What do you mean ?", "Industrial Designer : Special colours , all the colours you want , because you want to make p", "Marketing : Yeah , but we we we are {disfmarker} we have yellow , red , uh black , titanium .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but uh when you use more than one colour , it's a special colour .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : Ah okay .", "User Interface : But I think when you use the colour that's not originally the rubber then you use special colour ,", "Industrial Designer : I suppose .", "User Interface : 'cause you have to add it .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , but the rubbers alls original black .", "User Interface : Yeah , so you always lose the special colour . You co you could make it always black , like normal remote .", "Marketing : Yeah b Yeah , but we're gonna make it yellow {disfmarker} uh red , and then you add {disfmarker} you have two special colours on top of the one we have now .", "Industrial Designer : Nee we we also want to make ano another colour .", "User Interface : Oh right , yeah . Yeah , we should u", "Marketing : Yeah , but m", "User Interface : Yeah . We have to make this like four or five or something .", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "User Interface : That's what it means .", "Marketing : because we have more colours than only black .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but isn't it per remote that you pay ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I {disfmarker} then I think I p I don I don't think they me mean they're special {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Half ?", "User Interface : Oh right , yeah . Is it per remote ?", "Project Manager : I think you pay half per remote .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah , that's right ,", "Project Manager : So each remote with a special colour .", "User Interface : and you {disfmarker} one colour per remote .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , indeed , yeah .", "User Interface : So then it is one .", "Industrial Designer : You don't need four of those {vocalsound} uh four of those special colours in one in one remote .", "Marketing : Yeah , okay okay , true . True , true .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : I hope . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : We have two points spare .", "Project Manager : So the battery ,", "Marketing : Nee one point .", "Project Manager : we have um advanced chip on print .", "User Interface : One . So it would be curved , single curve .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Because of {disfmarker} thing {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Or not ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , well you can at least make it curved again .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : So y you just can't make a nice remote . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , single curve .", "Project Manager : Because that was very important ,", "User Interface : It's too bad for the speaker .", "Project Manager : huh ? So it's curved , it's still that {disfmarker} so we we dropped the speech recognition together with the speaker .", "User Interface : Should we change that tha that that's a one if not ,", "Marketing : Mm yep .", "Project Manager : We dropped the scroll wheel .", "User Interface : or not ? Could you copy it ?", "Project Manager : And the rest is the same ,", "User Interface : And make it uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : huh ? Am I right ?", "Marketing : Y yea the scroll wheel is dropped .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "User Interface : The entire uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh . Huh .", "Marketing : Yep .", "User Interface : Perhaps you can then copy page or so . Ooh . No . Oh you you made the entire {disfmarker} could you {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Undo , undo . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh", "Industrial Designer : Undo .", "User Interface : not {disfmarker} Well {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : So , 'kay .", "User Interface : Would you ?", "Industrial Designer : Twenty minutes ?", "User Interface : By the {disfmarker} Perhaps you can save this one , and then copy or something . Add it copy page . Select all .", "Project Manager : No , but you c yeah .", "User Interface : Alright , something went wrong .", "Marketing : Tap .", "Project Manager : Okay , but this this new remote we can afford . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It doesn't work . Let's forget .", "Marketing : It should've work .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so you had this list at start ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Hmm ? No , I hadn't .", "Industrial Designer : Alright . When did you receive this list ?", "Project Manager : I just received it .", "Industrial Designer : Ah okay . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} Oh", "Project Manager : They don't work so hard at the finance department . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : ignore that . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Well , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Ah okay . I suppose this is a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Too bad .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so we lose the scroll wheel ,", "User Interface : Yeah . The microphone .", "Industrial Designer : the s", "Project Manager : Yeah , and that's it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And the microphone .", "User Interface : A and we changed something , I guess , or not ? We {disfmarker} Oh no .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Twelve Euro fifty . Um and did you try to make a new design , or what were you trying to do ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I tried to copy that one , but it didn't work .", "Project Manager : It didn't work .", "User Interface : So we could fix it like tha that it's like this . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Hmm . Strange .", "User Interface : You could select it all , but then you can't erase . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Strange .", "Project Manager : Oh , you can arrange {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : You can only re erase ?", "User Interface : Erase .", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "User Interface : When you saw th li uh {disfmarker} Earlier when we selected it , w I couldn't erase anything .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , no .", "Project Manager : Hmm , can't you then just say copy ?", "Industrial Designer : Bling .", "Project Manager : New page . Paste . Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Ah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Select none . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Just tap somewhere .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} just up somewhere b uh besides it ,", "Marketing : {gap} just tap somewhere .", "Industrial Designer : right .", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and now you can erase .", "User Interface : I don't think I can , but uh we can try .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , we already try .", "Project Manager : Well it should be possible .", "User Interface : Oh , yeah ,", "Project Manager : Oh no .", "User Interface : no , ha-ha .", "Project Manager : Well you can draw over it with white uh pen . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No ?", "User Interface : Yeah , we tried it earlier .", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : It's very much work .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah . Sorry . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Well but that's also useful for the evaluation , because I think uh we have a prototype now", "Marketing : Evaluation drops .", "Project Manager : which we can afford and uh we only need to draw a little bit to get a good uh design . Doodle . And I think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 39, "turns": [ 642, 929 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the remote control could have speech recognition, LCD screens and was supposed to look like something luxurious. Project Manager said the LCD screen didn't need to be very big.", "title": "Discussion on the Look and Aesthetics of a Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 122, 135 ], [ 180, 182 ], [ 220, 229 ], [ 258, 262 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the team should look at the possibilities of an LCD function and that the remote control was supposed to look like something luxurious. Project Manager said that if people wanted the LCD thing, they would make the remote a little bigger with a transmitter somewhere there and that it didn't have to be really big, but just had to be there.", "title": "How to Design a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 122, 135 ], [ 180, 182 ], [ 220, 229 ], [ 258, 262 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked for information on other essentials people wanted to be posted so that User Interface could work with some buttons. Project Manager said that people change channels, change volume, turn the TV on and off as part of the basic remote functions. Project Manager said that if people wanted the LCD screen they would make the remote a little bigger with a transmitter and that it didn't have to be really big, but just had to be there.", "title": "What People Want on the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 6, [ 72, 89 ], [ 180, 184 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface asked Project Manager to post some other essentials of what people wanted in order to get information on the buttons and where to put them. Project Manager said people changed channels, they changed the volume, they turned the TV off and on, as examples of basic functions that people used remotes for. Project Manager added that those should be very well represented. Project Manager said that if people wanted the LCD thing, they would make the remote a little bigger than the basic design, with a transmitter somewhere there and that it didn't have to be really big, but just had to be there.", "title": "How Best to Design a Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 6, [ 72, 89 ], [ 180, 184 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "possible", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked if it was possible to send emails to the office and Project Manager replied saying it was. Project Manager asked for the inclusion of the LCD screen if it was possible and not too expensive.", "title": "Possibility of Inclusion of More Functions to the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 13 ], [ 220, 229 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "possible", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked if it was possible to send emails to the office and Project Manager confirmed. Project Manager said they should include LCD screens if it was possible and not too expensive. Industrial Designer said that the LCD screen was very flat and needed transistors and resistors.", "title": "Possibility of Adding an LCD Screen", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 13 ], [ 220, 229 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "example", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said people changed channels, volume, turned the TV off and on, as examples of basic functions for remotes. Project Manager said they could make circular buttons.", "title": "Examples of Basic Remote Control Functions", "relevant_turns": [ 74, [ 238, 254 ], 275, 283 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "example", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager, people change channels, change the volume, turn TV off and on, for example, basic function that people use it for; could make circular buttons for example, for up and down; channel button should be, stick together, in this section; make it as big as you want, for example; you could have it for example, small buttons, for some extra functions; could put a microphone, for example.", "title": "Examples of Basic Remote Control Functions", "relevant_turns": [ 74, [ 238, 254 ], 275, 283 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "top", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager reminded the team that the important buttons on the remote should be at the top. Marketing said it would be better to put an LCD screen at the top if one was reading from top to bottom. Project Manager reported that three people were for the idea that the LCD should be on the top.", "title": "Positioning of the LCD Screen", "relevant_turns": [ 47, [ 185, 209 ], 235 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "top", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked the team to keep in mind that the important buttons on the remote should be at the top. Marketing said it would be better to put an LCD screen at the top if one was reading from top to bottom and Project Manager replied saying it was not the most important thing. Marketing said that if the LCD was going to be on the remote, then it was very important to use it since the fingers would be at the top and others agreed.", "title": "Positioning the LCD Screen at the Top", "relevant_turns": [ 47, [ 185, 209 ], 235 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface asked for some other essentials of what people wanted in order to get information on the buttons and where to put them. Project Manager reminded the team that important buttons on the remote should be at the top.", "title": "Discussion on Important Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ 6, [ 47, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "User Interface , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager reminded the team that important buttons on the remote should be at the top.", "title": "Placement of Buttons on the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 6, [ 47, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thing", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that if people wanted the LCD thing, they would make the remote a little bigger than the basic design, with a transmitter somewhere there and that it didn't have to be really big, but just had to be there. Project Manager also said that the LCD was just an extra thing and not the most important function.", "title": "Discussion on Important Things", "relevant_turns": [ [ 180, 220 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thing", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager, people would want an LCD thing, doesn't have to be really big; just an extra thing; press a button, see it; would have to stack away, buttons somewhere else; about the LCDs thing.", "title": "Discussion on Important Things", "relevant_turns": [ [ 180, 220 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : uh we just have to see what it looks like .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I would like to make a decision {gap} . What it costs and what kind of materials that we can uh choose what we want in it", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , if you have some financial information that that'd be nice ,", "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker} exactly , I need it .", "Project Manager : so . Hmm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Could you post some {vocalsound} other essentials of what people want , so that I can work with some buttons , where to put it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : You seem to have information on that , I'd like to uh see some of it .", "Industrial Designer : Was it not possible to uh send emails around the office ?", "Project Manager : No , it wasn't wasn't allo", "User Interface : No , it's not . No .", "Project Manager : it was possible ,", "Industrial Designer : Not {gap} .", "Project Manager : not allowed , so . So that's um why I'm not sure that {vocalsound} you're allowed to share documents on the on the draft .", "Marketing : Yeah . My computer crashed ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : so uh", "Project Manager : I don't care . I haven't heard any complaints yet ,", "User Interface : Oh , your computer . Okay .", "Marketing : I lost my uh presentation ,", "Project Manager : so . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : but I have the uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , I have your PowerPoint presentation , I can get some inf information out of that .", "Marketing : Yeah , but I Here I have the the s the homepage of uh our internet ,", "User Interface : Let's see .", "Project Manager : Yeah , the oh , they inc uh", "Marketing : and here is my", "Project Manager : they include the new one . {vocalsound} Or just for you .", "User Interface : Oh , where would we {disfmarker}", "Marketing : here is my marketing report ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh", "Marketing : maybe you ca you can look at uh {vocalsound} that", "Project Manager : no , I didn't have that .", "Marketing : and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Where would we want the uh teletext button ?", "Marketing : Ah yeah .", "User Interface : Because we decided that it's n not that important .", "Project Manager : All it tells {gap} just {disfmarker} let's make make a new {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And one {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Do we put it somewhere over here ?", "Project Manager : tick the new one . {vocalsound} Um other side . Yeah , let's increase it a little because {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And uh wha what people want , I've uh", "User Interface : Or maybe this is something for the next meeting , I can draw out some ideas .", "Project Manager : Yeah , draw us up some some designs of of possible {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I have another thing uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : just keep in mind that the important buttons should be on top and either big ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so the more {disfmarker} less important {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , we have decided {vocalsound} more or less the basic structure .", "Project Manager : More or less .", "User Interface : I can put the other buttons in {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Just play a little with this , put l shift a little up or down and we'll see what looks best .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : What uh what did you wanna say ?", "Project Manager : Or just po post your designs from time to time on the product share .", "Marketing : Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh what I al already said is the the uh the remote controls are always lost ,", "User Interface : Maybe another idea uh .", "Marketing : but it it's also for people , {vocalsound} they want to learn it fast ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Mm .", "Marketing : not uh {disfmarker} they want to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , so we don't want {gap} we want very little buttons , just the buttons you use a lot .", "Marketing : No", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : It's {disfmarker} yeah , it's easy to learn", "User Interface : Yes , but it should cover all the functions ,", "Marketing : wi and uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well", "User Interface : so possibly , just an idea that popped in {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : what {disfmarker} we had function that what people do ,", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : so . People change channels , people {vocalsound} {disfmarker} they change the volume and they they change channel , they turn T_V_ off and on , for example . That's the basic fu that's what you do {disfmarker} I'm not sure who present that again , but those are the basic function that people use it for , so those should be very well represented .", "User Interface : Yeah , but we could go a step further ,", "Marketing : And {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} If {disfmarker}", "User Interface : because some T_V_s have the uh possibility to adjust brightness , that kind of menus .", "Project Manager : That's true , but that's what we stick under the menu button . Everything is {disfmarker} you say in every T_V_ that's configured under the menu .", "User Interface : Yes , but it {disfmarker} Because we're making {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But that's the question , is it ?", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : If it isn't , then we cannot reach it .", "User Interface : We need to adjust to the {vocalsound} technology .", "Project Manager : But I think most modern T_V_s have it in their menu .", "Industrial Designer : I think so too . I think so too .", "User Interface : True .", "Industrial Designer : Uh isn't there a possibility to do research on that , so we know that for sure ? If you rule out functions , then uh {disfmarker} and that gets known , then people are not gonna buy it .", "Marketing : {gap}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No , I thi", "Industrial Designer : Then the consumer bond or something says uh you cannot do this and that with it . That's a bad bad com {vocalsound} commercial", "Marketing : If um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh we'll we'll see what we can come up with .", "Industrial Designer : for {vocalsound} {disfmarker} okay .", "Marketing : Another thing I want to say is that uh we are looking at the market for the age uh {vocalsound} younger than forty .", "Project Manager : Under forty . Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : That's true .", "Marketing : Um on my report , {vocalsound} I didn't uh {vocalsound} ish I didn't show it in my uh presentation ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : because my computer crashed .", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah .", "Marketing : Um they want to pay for an L_C_D_ screen and speech recognition .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . Hmm .", "Project Manager : The want to pay for {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Did they really said it like that ? Those two things .", "Marketing : i yeah . Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Uh shall we ?", "Industrial Designer : Do they realise how much that costs ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's almost undoable .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Younger , age sixteen and forty five .", "User Interface : Oh , we're not going to be able to sell it for twenty-five then , with an L_C_D_ screen .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That's all here , here it says {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} No , that's that's {gap} . Even if i if we have this lost unit , then we cannot do it for that price .", "Project Manager : Yeah , age sixteen forty fi interest in main features more critical .", "Marketing : If if they {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , so we're not focusing on this . Um {disfmarker} All the interest in features , not really the L_C_ {disfmarker} oh here . Would you pay for uh speech recognition in a remote control . Hmm , okay ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , that's true .", "Marketing : So uh", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : we can", "Project Manager : Speech recognition is quite {disfmarker}", "Marketing : We can look at the possibilities for an uh L_C_D_ and uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , just look at the possibilities then ,", "Marketing : I dunno .", "Project Manager : because if {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : apparently it's what people want ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : it's supposed to be a luxurious remote ,", "Marketing : How much it will cost", "Industrial Designer : Uh .", "Marketing : and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : maybe it's not even that expensive . Or find a compromise , maybe just a black and white or {disfmarker} for some extra information on it , on your programmes .", "Industrial Designer : Uh I {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I doubt it , but {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But I really need finance information .", "Project Manager : Me too . {vocalsound} I mean we all do . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It will come uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : We all do . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Right . I think it's something we should put into consideration . Apparently it's what people want , so . We should see if {disfmarker} what it costs , if it's possible .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Uh .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah , we should do a little thing about design , because it looks boring really to me . Even if you put it {disfmarker} even if you put a different cover on it , it looks {disfmarker} still looks boring ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Different colours maybe .", "Project Manager : so .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . And the design , it should differ .", "Marketing : But all {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : This is Philips , huh ?", "Project Manager : I have no clue .", "Industrial Designer : Philips has this .", "Project Manager : I just drew something what {disfmarker} which would fit into your hand easily .", "User Interface : Well , I had basically {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Hmm . Uh .", "User Interface : Something like this . To make it kind of futuristic .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Oh , I realise if we make it small , then it needs to be a little thicker ,", "Project Manager : I think it's a very {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : because I need to put all the electronics in it .", "Project Manager : Sorry ?", "Industrial Designer : If we make it s uh smaller , uh less wide , then we need to m make it a little thicker ,", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : because I have to put all the electronics in it .", "Project Manager : Okay . Mm-hmm . Yeah , but you have to j just keep in mind it shouldn't be too heavy .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : I mean we can stick it in in there , I think .", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : Huh even if {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So", "Project Manager : in the worst case we can even {disfmarker}", "User Interface : what kind of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Could you give me the pen back ?", "User Interface : Yeah , sure .", "Project Manager : So let's say that people would want an L_C_D_ thing . Let's take take the basic design again , what we {disfmarker} oh , crap {disfmarker} uh came up with . I'll just make it a little bigger now . So a transmitter here . Anyway . We could {disfmarker} let's say we have an L_C_D_ screen , people want an L_C_D_ screen . So then we should probably put it here .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It doesn't have to be really big , but just just have to be {disfmarker} has to be there .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Think it's a good place , people don't {disfmarker}", "Marketing : If you're reading from top to bottom , I think it's better to put it uh at the top .", "Project Manager : No ? It's not that uh {disfmarker} it's not the most important function ,", "Industrial Designer : Me too .", "Marketing : It's j {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : it's just an extra thing ,", "Industrial Designer : Ah", "Project Manager : it just {disfmarker} you press the buttons on top ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh . But i if you if you are going to uh put the L_C_D_ on it , {vocalsound} I think it's very important to use it ,", "Industrial Designer : but {gap} .", "Project Manager : because your finger is on top .", "Marketing : uh because it's {vocalsound} {disfmarker} use it uh", "Project Manager : How can you use an L_C_D_ screen ?", "Marketing : But nee the function of it . {vocalsound} So you can use it maximum , because uh it's a lot {disfmarker} it costs a lot .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but why", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I {disfmarker} I'm not sure .", "User Interface : Now it's pretty much tucked away in your hand .", "Project Manager : Uh if you t if you press a button , you can see it ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . No .", "Project Manager : ri I'm not sure wha I'm trying to imagine myself what it would look like .", "User Interface : I'm {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : M I personally would prefer it on the top .", "Project Manager : You would prefer it n Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So we have three people saying it should be on top .", "Industrial Designer : Huh .", "Project Manager : Okay , but then you would would s have to stack away your buttons somewhere else .", "Industrial Designer : But it {disfmarker} Hmm .", "Project Manager : Anyways .", "Marketing : It's expensive to build it ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : so", "Project Manager : Uh this looks a little {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I'm still not convinced of the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : you must use the maximum of it .", "Project Manager : About the L_C_D_s thing .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Well if it if it's", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : if it's possible wi if it's not too expensive , we should include it ,", "Industrial Designer : They want it uh .", "Project Manager : because it's it's cool . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} We should just try to make that if it's possible . If it is possible we should really do it , but we need that information .", "Marketing : Huh . Uh . But uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Also keep in mind again , the L_C_D_ screen is very flat , but it needs transistors , resistors , I don't know what more and that needs space . So I have to look if that's possible .", "Marketing : Yeah , I know uh .", "User Interface : So basically", "Industrial Designer : But if we {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {disfmarker} can I {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh we have green now uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : what we have to decide now is uh what goes on top . Do we put the volume control and the channel control here , or do we put it on he Would we like to press it in the middle ?", "Project Manager : Or maybe we should m we could uh draw draw something a bit {disfmarker} that has it on on on the bottom .", "Marketing : In middle of it . In the middle .", "Project Manager : Maybe in a circle for example , like we {disfmarker} like in this example . I think this is not good , but for {disfmarker} we could make circular buttons for example . For up and down , ma make it a circle on it ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : Yes , but we do agree that we {vocalsound} keep this at the centre ,", "Project Manager : because it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : because it's basically the most important function .", "Project Manager : I think the channel button should be in the centre .", "Marketing : It's the most import yeah .", "Project Manager : Channel button should be st stick together , for example here in this section . Because it's uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , that would make them quite small .", "Project Manager : We're not sure about the size anyway ,", "User Interface : So maybe you'd put them here .", "Project Manager : just a general design . You can make it as big as you want . For example if you take uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yes , but a big remote control probably not something which people would like .", "Project Manager : No ,", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : let's see . For example just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : If we have a a space issue , we can also lose one battery . It is rechargeable , so we can stick with one instead of two .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Project Manager : I don't think if we if we even use an L_C_D_ screen , we need to , definitely .", "Industrial Designer : That might be an option . Yeah , but if we need two batteries and an L_C_D_ screen , that means a lot of space that we need .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but we have to see what the si what the size is .", "Industrial Designer : But it has to be a little bit heavier .", "Project Manager : The L_C_D_ doesn't have to nee doesn't need to be very big .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : {gap} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No , but the things behind it . {gap} space .", "Project Manager : Mm let's see .", "Industrial Designer : Like a process uh .", "Marketing : Finish meeting now .", "Project Manager : Finish meeting now .", "Marketing : It's on your computer .", "Project Manager : Okay , we will . So either {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So would we like this or would we like the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We either we have to decide what what people want .", "Industrial Designer : I like this one more .", "Project Manager : Either this one , this this could be the luxurious one . So we have channel buttons here . I'm just drawing something uh . Uh {disfmarker} I think this would this would look cool . You could have it for example {disfmarker} small buttons here for some extra functions ,", "Marketing : Uh .", "Project Manager : so if your basic function's here , we should {disfmarker} like we decided before , programmes up and down , and volume here .", "User Interface : Let's see what we have here .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Or {disfmarker} And uh what about speech recognition uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well you can just {disfmarker} no , I'm not sure if we can do that ,", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah ,", "Project Manager : but we could put a microphone in here for example .", "Marketing : but {disfmarker} or or an L_C_D_ or an uh speech .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : I think it's {disfmarker} L_C_D_ is better now .", "Project Manager : Just to do research into both , w what it costs and what it takes for space ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 3, 19 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "advantage , Act", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM thought that the Act was to regulate institutions in Wales, safeguard the contribution made to public good arising from Welsh Government's financial support, maintain fair access, preserve and protect institutional autonomy. The 2015 Act contained numerous provisions that protect the principle of universities' privileges and autonomy, which was important, those were principles in any legislation that Kirsty Williams AM brought forward.", "title": "Advantages of the Act", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "advantage , Act", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Safeguarding the contribution made to public good arising from the Welsh Government's financial support for the sector; maintaining a focus on fair access, and preserving and protecting the principle of institutional autonomy.", "title": "Objectives of the Act", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "weakness , Act", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM stated that the Act lacked clear expectations from institutions to achieve national outcomes and as well as regulation of private providers, (charities) even though they could provide higher education in Wales. Therefore, it was unable to protect the interest of students enrolling with private providers. And Kirsty Williams AM said the Act precluded fee regulation in some areas which might eventually be detrimental to postgraduate and part-time study in Wales in the future, as a result of their reforms to student finance.", "title": "Weakness of the Act", "relevant_turns": [ 7, 9, 16 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "weakness , Act", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM thought that the Act lacked clear expectations from institutions to achieve national outcomes basically, outcome agreements where outputs reflected national priorities. The Act made it a requirement for a regulated institution to be a charity and hence not possible to regulate even though they could provide higher education in Wales. Therefore, unable to protect the interest of students enrolling with private providers. Kirsty Williams AM said the Act precluded fee regulation in some areas which might eventually be detrimental to postgraduate and part-time study in Wales.", "title": "Drawbacks of the Act", "relevant_turns": [ 7, 9, 16 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "legislation", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that it was a bit difficult to place thyself in the mind of the previous Minister when legislation was first envisaged and then taken through. Kirsty Williams AM said that they have to put in place legislation that now fits current circumstances and how they'd want to see the sector develop in the future. Kirsty Williams AM proclaimed commitment to any legislation that Kirsty Williams AM would bring forward.", "title": "Review of Current Legislation", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "legislation", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that it was a bit difficult to place thyself in the mind of the previous Minister when legislation was first envisaged. Kirsty Williams AM pledged commitment to any legislation that Kirsty Williams AM brought forward.", "title": "Improvements on the Current Legislation", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 5 ] } ], "source": [ "Sian Gwenllian AM : Good morning. Do you believe that the Act has fulfilled all the Government's objectives? Where are the weaknesses?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Diolch yn fawr, Si\u00e2n. As I've said, it's a bit difficult to place myself in the mind of the previous Minister when this legislation was first envisaged and then taken through. You'll be aware that there were four main reasons for the introduction of the Bill: around regulation of institutions in Wales; safeguarding the contribution made to public good arising from Welsh Government's financial support for the sector; maintaining a focus on fair access; and preserving and protecting the principle of institutional autonomy. I think the evidence that has been received by the committee to date shows that there are different views about the effectiveness of whether all four strategic aims have been achieved. I think those strategic aims are still really, really important and certainly will underpin our thought process going forward, but we have to recognise the higher education and research Bill across the border in England, the implementation of new student support measures in Wales, as well as the report that was done by Ellen Hazelkorn, I think, means it is appropriate that we move forward with different proposals, not just regulation of the HE sector but the post-compulsory sector as a whole. We will look to see what we can do to strengthen or whether there is more that we need to do to achieve those four objectives, because I think those four objectives are still very, very relevant. But we have to have legislation now that is fit for the circumstances we currently find ourselves in and, hopefully, futureproofs us for how we want to see the sector develop in the future.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Do you feel perhaps that the legislation itself hasn't been strong enough, and that you then have had to drive some of these objectives through the annual remit letter, rather than through legislation, and that's why the strengthening is required?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Certainly, I see the remit letter as a really, really important way in which national priorities and the priorities of an elected Government can be clearly stated, communicated to the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales, and then HEFCW use their powers to ensure that that happens. So, certainly, I see the remit letter as being a very important mechanism for ensuring, as I said, that those national priorities are clearly articulated, and then change happens.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Has the current legislation been framed around institutional autonomy so that it's not possible for institutions to fulfil any national outcomes, and is that going to be an element of the new Bill?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, certainly, the 2015 Act contains numerous provisions that protect universities' privileges and autonomy. And that's really important, and those are principles that I am committed to in any legislation that I bring forward. We'll certainly be looking to see how we can carry those protections into the forthcoming Bill, but, at the same time, we do have to ensure appropriate regulation and accountability of institutions for their public funding and the privileges that they enjoy. And I think there are a number of ways in which that can happen. We have a very positive working relationship with the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales, and I am very fortunate to have a very positive working relationship with the sector. The remit letters are a really important way in which we can lay out those national priorities. I don't think there's anything in the legislation per se that prevents those national priorities being articulated and being acted upon.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : I don't think that's what HEFCW has said in their evidence. They've said that the Bill has been framed in a way where it's not possible for institutions to fulfil any requirements. You're talking about the remit letter; maybe you need to have that discussion there, but, in terms of the Bill itself, you can't make them fulfil any national outcomes. Shouldn't there be a discussion looking to move in a direction where there are national outcomes being set through legislation, because there is public money going into that?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, I don't know whether we need national outcomes through legislation, because those national priorities, potentially, will change over time. What is really important, and what we will be seeking to do in the new legislation, is look to move to a system of outcome agreements. So, there is a very clear expectation that the commission will have, in regulating the sector, and co-ordinating and funding the sector, to create a system of outcome agreements, where those outputs will reflect national priorities, and that's one of the things that we've consulted on, and will look to take forward in the new legislation.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. That's clear enough. What about private providers? The Act, or the Act as it stands, makes it a requirement for a regulated institution to be a charity, and that means it's not possible to regulate alternative private providers under the Act, even though they can provide higher education in Wales. What is your view on this, and will the new legislation continue with the requirement of being a charity?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. So, I think, first of all, it's important to make the distinction between the scale of private providers, and what could be termed as 'unregulated providers' in the Welsh system, as opposed to the English system. And I think that's a really important distinction to make. So, currently, under the current legislation, unregulated providers can only access Welsh Government student support if they're designated on a case-by-case basis. So, we do have a circumstance where\u2014and a process in place, to manage this. So, we have a specific designation policy, which is operated on our behalf by HEFCW. Only six organisations were designated on a case-by-case basis in the 2018-19 academic year, so the scale here is small. Three of those were further education colleges. So, when we talk about a private provider, perhaps people would have a view of a private university, but, actually, three of those were FE colleges, which we would all be familiar with. And the three private providers were the Centre for Alternative Technology, the training arm of the Church in Wales and the Newport and District Group Training Association. All three of those are actual charities. So, in order for their courses to be specifically designated, the three crucial questions that those providers have to answer are: quality\u2014is what they\u2019re providing to students of a good quality; the financial viability of the institution, again, to try to protect the interests of the students who may find themselves embarking on a course in an institution that isn\u2019t viable; as well as their contribution to private\u2014sorry, not to private good\u2014public good. And we are considering how that part of the sector will be regulated in the forthcoming legislation. But, Huw, I don't know if there's anything else to add?", "Huw Morris : Well, just to say that there are a very small number of private providers, as the Minister has outlined, and, in comparison with England, where I think the last figures said that there were between 300 and 400 private providers in England, you get a sense of the differences that exist there. And, if you look at what happened over recent years, it has been those small private providers across the UK who have been most financially challenged and a number of them have stopped their operations, with consequences for the students. So, we\u2019ve been keen to put students at the front of things to make sure that the institutions that they\u2019re enrolling with are strong and have good quality.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. So, what you're saying is that you will continue with a charitable status, or not\u2014", "Kirsty Williams AM : At this stage\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : \u2014or are you still thinking about it?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, at this stage, I think the charitable status will continue to be an important part of what we will take forward.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Just turning finally to part-time fees and postgraduate fees, do you have an intention to regulate this part in the new legislation?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I have to say that, at present, we've not identified an urgent reason to designate these courses as qualifying courses for the purposes of a fee limit. And there are a number of reasons for that. Actually, the current Act\u2014the 2015 Act\u2014does not permit the fee regulation of postgraduate courses, other than PGCE courses for IT purposes. In the case of part-time courses, I'm currently content that fee levels are not exceeding the amount of student support made available by the Welsh Government. So, I think we are, at this moment, relaxed about that, and there are some difficulties around deciding and introducing fee limits on postgraduate courses. I think what's really important to me is the success at the moment of attracting people to postgraduate and part-time study in Wales, as a result of our reforms to student finance. But, clearly, we'll need to keep that under review. But, at this current moment, the Act precludes fee regulation in some areas and there's not a pressing policy need that we've identified to date." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 31, "turns": [ 97, 156 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "segmenter , change", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Since the segmenter worked fine, PhD C and Professor F proposed to increase the error rate. PhD G suggested adding other noise models, such as those generated by microphones, being careful not to run recognition without restrictions, because it might clip some sections, although they could clip some sections to avoid this. PhD C and Phd G added that it would be interesting to retrain or refit other loudspeaker or environmental noise models to these experiments.", "title": "Modifications for Experimenting with the Segmenter", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "segmenter , change", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C and Professor F proposed to increase the error rate with the segmenter, since they already made sure that it worked well. PhD G raised the possibility of adding other noise models, taking advantage of the high recovery of the segmenter, although he suggested being careful when running the recognition without restrictions, because it could clip some sections. PhD C and Phd G added that it would be interesting to fit other loudspeaker or environmental noise models to these experiments.", "title": "Modifications for Experimenting with the Segmenter", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "segmenter , status", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C commented that previous experiments with the segmenter cheated by using segmentations as the basis of recognition, but now PhD C and Professor F proposed to increase the error rate with Thilo's segmenter, since they already knew it worked well. PhD G said they could experiment with adding other noise models and simulating microphone issues to take advantage of the segmenter's high recall, but be careful when running recognition without constraints, because it might clip some sections. PhD C said they could retrofit the models for background noise to the environment, and Phd G added that they could also consider background models of particular loudspeakers.", "title": "Segmenter Experiments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "segmenter , status", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C talked about the discussion they had previously with Liz and Don about recognition in automatic targeting, as in all previous experiments, they cheated by using targeting as the basis for recognition. PhD C and Professor F proposed to increase the error rate with Thilo's segmenter, since they already made sure that it worked well. PhD G raised the possibility of training noise models in the recognizer for these transistors, in addition to other microphone problems, taking advantage of the segmenter's high recall, even with low precision. Although PhD G suggested being careful when running recognition without constraints, because it might clip some sections, he added the possibility to do some kind of pre-segmentation to avoid this. PhD C said that perhaps they should consider retraining or adapting the models for background noise to the environment, and Phd G added at the end that they should consider background models of particular loudspeakers.", "title": "Segmenter Experiments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "segmenter , change", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C and Professor F proposed to increase the error rate with Thilo's segmenter, as it was a fact that it was working well. PhD G even proposed that noise models could be trained in the recognizer, although being careful not to run the recognition without restrictions, because some sections might be missed. PhD C and Phd G said that perhaps they should retrofit the models with ambient or speaker noise variations.", "title": "Modifications for Experimenting with the Segmenter", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "segmenter , change", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C and Professor F felt that they should increase the error rate with the Thilo's segmenter as it was working well. PhD G said that since it has high recall, even when it had low accuracy, they could train noise models in the recognizer for these transients and other problems that microphones may have, but suggested being careful when running recognition without constraints, because there was the possibility that you were clipping some sections, although that could be fixed by doing some sort of pre-segmentation. PhD C said that perhaps they should consider retraining or adapting the models for background noise to the environment, and Phd G added that they should consider background models of particular loudspeakers to these experiments.", "title": "Modifications for Experimenting with the Segmenter", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 47 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor F : OK .", "PhD G : So you just need to {pause} copy over to this one .", "PhD C : Just had to take the reciprocal of the number because they have different meanings in the two systems .", "Postdoc A : OK .", "Professor F : Ah ! Yeah . Well , that 's always good to do .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor F : OK . OK . Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : But one issue actually that just came up in discussion with Liz and {disfmarker} and Don was , um , as far as meeting recognition is concerned , um , we would really like to , uh , move , uh , to , uh , doing the recognition on automatic segmentations .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD C : Because in all our previous experiments , we had the {disfmarker} uh , you know , we were essentially cheating by having the , um , you know , the h the hand - segmentations as the basis of the recognition .", "Professor F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : And so now with Thilo 's segmenter working so well , I think we should {pause} consider doing a {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mmm . So .", "Grad B : Come on .", "PhD C : uh , doing {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah . We {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Y think {disfmarker} you think we should increase the error rate .", "PhD E : Anyway . Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor F : Good .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD E : That - that 's what I wanted to do anyway ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : so we should just get together and {disfmarker}", "PhD G : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD G : And even {disfmarker} The good thing is that since you , um , have high recall , {comment} even if you have low precision cuz you 're over - generating , that 's good because we could train noise models in the recognizer for these kinds of , uh , transients and things that come from the microphones ,", "PhD C : Right .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD G : but {vocalsound} I know that if we run recognition unconstrained on a whole waveform , we do very poorly because we 're {disfmarker} we 're getting insertions in places what {disfmarker} that you may well be cutting out .", "PhD C : Well {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor F : Mm - hmm .", "PhD G : So we do need some kind of pre - segmentation .", "PhD C : We should {disfmarker} we should consider doing some extra things , like , um , you know , retraining or adapting the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the models for background noise to the {disfmarker} to this environment , for instance .", "PhD G : Mmm . Yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD G : And , yeah , using Thilo 's , you know , posteriors or some kind of {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}", "PhD C : So .", "PhD G : right now they 're {disfmarker} they 're discrete ,", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD G : yes or no for a speaker , to consider those particular speaker background models .", "PhD C : Right .", "PhD G : So . There 's lots of ins interesting things that could be done .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah . We should do that .", "PhD G : So .", "Professor F : Good . So , uh , why don't we , uh , do the IBM stuff ?", "PhD D : Yeah . So , um , talked with Brian and gave him the alternatives to the single beep at the end of each utterance that we had generated before .", "Professor F : You had some {pause} thing about that ? Right .", "PhD D : And so {disfmarker}", "Professor F : The , uh , Chuck chunks .", "PhD D : Yeah . The Chuck chunks .", "PhD E : Hmm .", "PhD D : Right . And so he talked it over with the transcriber and the transcriber thought that the easiest thing for them would be if there was a beep and then the nu a number , a digit , and then a beep , uh , at the beginning of each one", "Professor F : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD D : and that would help keep them from getting lost . And , um , {vocalsound} so Adam wrote a little script to generate those style , uh , beeps", "PhD C : Where 'd you get the digits from ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 44, "turns": [ 37, 53 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "children , free school meals , less resilient , exam", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Hefin David AM asked why children on free school meals were less resilient in the exam system. Kirsty Williams AM said that there was no answer to that but could look at discussions around a move from BTEC to science GCSEs.", "title": "Lack of Grade Stability for Children on Free School Meals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "children , free school meals , less resilient , exam", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Hefin David AM asked about why children on free school meals were less resilient in the exam system and to what extent would exam boards be responsible for lack of grade stability. Kirsty Williams AM answered that there was no one answer to that but looking at the period where they have employed the PDG they have seen a narrowing gap since 2009 one in five children on free school meals got to level 2 plus and by 2016 it was down to one in three. Adding that where children have done language and literature there was more resilience so the exposure to literacy could potentially make a difference.", "title": "Lack of Grade Stability for Children on Free School Meals", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 6 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "performance measures", "speaker": "Hefin David AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Hefin David AM asked what performance measures they were going to start using. Kirsty Williams AM said that they had a more sophisticated model that looked at school performance for all children.", "title": "Upgrading the Performance Measures", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "performance measures", "speaker": "Hefin David AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Hefin David AM asked what performance measures they would use after moving away from level 2 plus performance measure. Kirsty Williams AM answered that what level 2 plus did was narrow the focus of schools on an individual part of the cohort usually the C/D borderline causing problems with the number of students getting B grades or above. That was why they had a more sophisticated model that looked at school performance for all children, tracked their progress, and measured the value added by that school in performance.", "title": "Upgrading the Performance Measures", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "free school meals", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked if they were still holding the 37 percent target of free school meal pupils on the level 2 threshold. Kirsty Williams AM answered that they were moving away from the level 2 threshold.", "title": "New Accountability Measures for Free School Meal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "free school meals", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM; are you still holding on to your target of 37 percent of free-school-meal pupils achieving the level 2 threshold; Kirsty Williams AM; we're moving away from the level 2 threshold; we will need a different set of performance indicators; we will want to develop a new suite, in line with our new accountability measures; we will be absolutely continuing to track and evaluate the performance of free-school-meal pupils.", "title": "New Accountability Measures for Free School Meal", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 16 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. We're going to move on now to talk about the impact of PDG on attainment. Hefin David has got some questions.", "Hefin David AM : It appears that the attainment gap at 2017 has actually widened, in spite of PDG levels. Is that correct?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes. So, if you look at it\u2014with the usual caveats about whether you can make direct comparisons on level 2 plus between the exams the year before and the exams that we had last summer\u2014on the face of it, the gap has increased. I think what's important to recognise, Hefin, is a direction of travel. I'm sure we all want to, because I want to, have a discussion about why children on free school meals were less resilient in the exam system last year. But, if we look at the period that we have been employing PDG, over that period, we have seen a narrowing of the gap. I think what's quite stark,\u00a0if we think about it\u2014. So, if we look at where we started from: in 2009, one in five children on free school meals got level 2 plus\u2014one in five\u2014by 2016, we had got that down to one in three. Obviously, there's still a way to go, but, Sir Alasdair, who knows about these things, says that that is a significant improvement.\u00a0Last year, we got some challenges. We need to understand why that happened, but I do think it's\u2014", "Hefin David AM : Why, do you think?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Why, do I think?\u00a0What I do think is there is no one answer. There is no one answer to this. I think we could look at and we can have discussions around the move from BTEC to science GCSEs. I think we have supplied figures to the committee about the significant change in the number of children on free school meals who weren't doing a single science GCSE and are now doing science GCSEs. We can look at the unintended consequences of literature. Again, we've supplied figures. Where children have done language and literature, whether that be through the medium of English or through the medium of Welsh, there is more resilience. So, it's that exposure to literacy\u00a0in all its forms that I think\u00a0could potentially make a difference. So, I think there's no one answer to why free-school-meal children were not so resilient last year. We continue to have discussions with Qualifications Wales to get a better understanding of this. At my next ministerial policy board, in May, we'll be doing a deep dive into this particular subject.", "Hefin David AM : So, to what extent would exam\u00a0boards be responsible for lack of grade stability?", "Kirsty Williams AM : It could be one of the contributory factors. What I think is important is that there is no one, single reason why there seems to be less resilience in this cohort of children.", "Hefin David AM : Will you be speaking to the exam boards about this and raising concerns?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I have written to Qualifications Wales, we've had discussions about it, but I've asked them to formally submit evidence ahead of my policy board for May, where, as I said, we will be doing a formal, deep-dive discussion across the department about these issues. But, again,\u00a0Hefin,\u00a0what we've got to be clear on is\u2014while we look at overall factors, you know, our overall national statistic\u2014we did see some schools last year whose FSM performance was better than it had been the year before. So, what was it in those schools that enabled those children to do really well, whereas, in other schools, the performance was different? Even in individual cities, you can see a huge variety of performance. So, take Cardiff and Swansea, our two biggest cities. You've got schools in those cities with comparative levels of free school meals. So, you could have really high-performing schools with a very small number of the cohort on free school meals. The difference between those performances in a single city\u2014so, that's the same local education authority and the same regional consortium\u2014you can see a massive change. There's one school I can talk to: their free-school-meal performance is 88 per cent. A similar school in the same city with the same proportion of children on free school meals, their performance is down in the 20 per cents. So, I think what's important is that we can't draw broad-brush conclusions. For me, the challenge is to go into individual schools and understand what was happening in that particular school that ensured that their children did really well. We've got one school in Swansea, their FSM performance at GCSE level 2 outperforms non-FSM pupils.", "Hefin David AM : But we still need to rely on the trends from a distance. If we take your argument that 2017 was an unusual year and the trends up to 2016 were positive, in a few years' time, when we will be looking back in two years' time, how are we going to measure this progress, say, in 2019? What are we likely to see and what methods are you going to use to measure progress that way?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, you'll be aware that we are moving away from level 2 plus as a performance measure anyway because of the\u2014", "Hefin David AM : So, what performance measures will you use?", "Kirsty Williams AM : So, for the lack of sophistication around the level 2 plus, and for the unintended behaviours that that particular performance measure has driven within our schools. I'll be making a statement shortly to the Assembly around a new performance measure for schools. We were, at our most recent secondary heads conference, working with schools to develop that. What's important to me is that we have a more sophisticated model that looks at school performance for all children. What level 2 plus does is narrow, very much, the focus of schools on an individual part of the cohort, usually the C/D borderline, which is why then we have problems with the number of students getting a B grade or above. We have marked success in our schools by saying to schools that a C is good enough. Well, if a child gets a C but came to you in year 7 and they were destined to get an E, yes, indeed, a C is a success, because you've moved that child on; but, if that child came to you destined to get an A* and gets a C, then we haven't done a good job by that particular child. So, we need a performance measure that is much more sophisticated, looks at each individual child, tracks that progress, and measures the value added by that school in performance.", "Hefin David AM : Last question: therefore, should we have confidence in the data up to 2016? Is there a lack of confidence in that data?", "Kirsty Williams AM : No, it's not a lack of confidence in the data. The data is the data. What I'm saying is, using that as a performance measure and an accountability measure within our school system may have been right for the time. I think it is now right to have a different way of measuring success in schools. I think that particular set of performance measures has driven certain behaviours\u2014not because Ministers wanted that to happen, but as an unintended consequence. I think we can work together with our school system, learning the lessons of international best practice, to develop much more sophisticated accountability and performance measures for individual schools, and, I should say, for the Government. So, you will be aware of my intention to issue the first national report card on Government performance later on this year. So, this is not about trying to avoid scrutiny. It's about trying to develop a more sophisticated way, which is in line with our national mission, where every child's education is valued, and where the impact of the school can be tracked more effectively.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Can I just ask, Cabinet Secretary, are you still holding on to your target of 37 per cent of free-school-meal pupils achieving the level 2 threshold?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, we're moving away from the level 2 threshold. So, that's the first thing to say. So, we will want to develop a new suite, in line with our new accountability\u00a0measures, as we go forward.\u00a0So, we will be absolutely continuing to track and evaluate the performance of free-school-meal pupils. When we announce our new accountability measures, I will be in a position to address how we'll measure\u00a0the Government's\u00a0performance, and national performance, going forward. But, given the fact that we're moving\u00a0away from level 2 plus, then we will need a different set of performance\u00a0indicators." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 28, "turns": [ 33, 239 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation process , prototype", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing made an evaluation process on the prototype according to the requirements of the users and the market trends. They had six points, a product that looked and felt fancy; that was technologically innovative, easy to use, fashion, easy to find, and robust. Marketing formed a seven-point scale where seven was the highest, and then they got an average.", "title": "Evaluation Process on the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 1, [ 10, 24 ], 33 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation process , prototype", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project evaluation. Evaluation criteria, according to the users' requirements and the market trends, six points, fancy look and feel, technologically innovative, easy to use, fashion, easy to find in a room, and robust; scale of seven points; after, an average. Between one and seven.", "title": "Evaluation Process on the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 1, [ 10, 24 ], 33 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lower grades , technological aspect", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing asked about the score for the technological aspect. Project Manager gave it a five for the wheel and the rubber material. User interface and Industrial Designer affirmed that four because there was not so much innovation. Marketing asked if they agreed to put four, and everyone agreed, giving lower grades.", "title": "Technological Aspect", "relevant_turns": [ [ 82, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "lower grades , technological aspect", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "There wasn't innovation on the technological aspect, meaning lower grades. It got four.", "title": "Technological Aspect", "relevant_turns": [ [ 82, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "agree , easy to use , fashion , easy to find , robust , features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "All agreed to give it a six point five because it was easy to use. Also, they thought that it was fashionable, because of its fruit shape and because it had a very nice design. On the other hand, they commented that it was very easy to find in a room, because of its banana shape, the lightning, and the color; for all this, they gave it a six. In the end, they gave it a six because they thought it was robust, surrounded by rubber material.", "title": "Features of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 111, 188 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "agree , easy to use , fashion , easy to find , robust , features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if they thought it was easy to use, and they agreed to give it a six point five because it was so easy to use. Marketing also asked if it was fashion, and everyone agreed because of its fruit shape and because it had a very nice design. They commented that it was very easy to find in a room, because of its banana shape, the lightning that made the material illuminate completely and because it was yellow, for all this they decided to give it a six. Finally, they gave it another six because they thought it was robust, surrounded by rubber material more than other remote controls.", "title": "Features of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 111, 188 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "summarize , good product , evaluation", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "After the evaluation, Project Manager said they had to summarize everything, getting six out of seven. They concluded that it was a good product.", "title": "Evaluation of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 189, 206 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "summarize , good product , evaluation", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned that they had to summarize everything, calculating a six. Project Manager said that six was a good number, and Marketing added that it was a very good product, and Project Manager said that it was very promising.", "title": "Evaluation of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 189, 206 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} and we are now going to see the project evaluation with uh our marketing expert .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Okay . So uh you can have my project in {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . You have a presentation ?", "Marketing : Uh yeah just a {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Participant four , yes .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Four . Evaluation .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . So you can go . We can go through .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is made according to {vocalsound} the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during the previous uh meetings . So you can go through and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : okay so uh we have uh six points . We we talked about before .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So we we want to have a product fancy look and feel , technologically innovative , easy to use , fashion , {vocalsound} easy to find in a room , and robust ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . So I go through all the uh all the points here ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and uh according to what you think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point , two point or seven point . Okay ?", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : And after we ha we have an an average , and uh we see .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : The {disfmarker} okay ? {vocalsound} Uh so uh fancy look and feel , what do you think ?", "Project Manager : Okay . Maybe you can presen {vocalsound}", "Marketing : F between o one and seven .", "Project Manager : okay . Maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} hold it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So I think it's uh very uh very nice . What do you think ?", "User Interface : I give it a {disfmarker} I give it a five .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So it's between one and seven ? Seven is the highest uh ?", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Seven is the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I will give a six .", "Industrial Designer : I will give a a five .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} And you ?", "Marketing : {gap} sorry .", "User Interface : Do you vote uh Christine ?", "Marketing : {gap} eh ?", "User Interface : Do you also vote ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No , I just want to see something {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Maybe we all have to agree on a common {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , we can {gap} very easily {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh I think uh {gap} {vocalsound} and need to {gap} as well {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : No problem . So", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Need to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : this is your {disfmarker}", "Marketing : uh I don't know if you {disfmarker} we ha we have to put uh one uh f If it's better or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : One is most {gap} .", "User Interface : I {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh-uh .", "Project Manager : Well , we can choose what we want .", "Marketing : Um . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , let's say that seven is the best .", "Marketing : Or maybe we can say s seven is the best mm {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Okay . So so do note the grade we have five , six for me ,", "Industrial Designer : Five .", "Project Manager : five . And what what's your choice ?", "Marketing : Oh sorry . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : How much would you give on the fancy aspect , on the fashionable aspect ?", "Marketing : Six {disfmarker} Uh s you can {disfmarker} how much what ?", "Project Manager : How much would you {disfmarker} you don't answer to this uh questionnaire ?", "Marketing : Oh yes I mm I dunno mm , I think six , it's a good uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So it will have five point five average .", "Project Manager : Five point five average .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Wa can {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Well , does it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I sorry .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . So after , the technological aspect ?", "Project Manager : Okay , techne technological aspect .", "Marketing : So we we said uh we have uh a new technological uh thing with a wheel .", "Project Manager : Yeah , we have the wheel . We also have the rubber material ,", "Marketing : Uh .", "Project Manager : which make it uh like new also . I think I would give a five .", "User Interface : It's {gap} four .", "Project Manager : Four ?", "Industrial Designer : A four also , because , except for the wheel , we don't have so much innovation .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : The rubber is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh a four . I I {disfmarker}", "User Interface : D are we including the voice {disfmarker} are you glu are we including the voice in the end or not ? Huh ?", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : No . Okay .", "Project Manager : So", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : what's your uh grade ?", "Marketing : Four .", "Project Manager : Four ? So we have four , four f and five ?", "Marketing : We can put four ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , four . Four , yeah , let's put four .", "User Interface : For twenty five .", "Marketing : Everyone is okay or {disfmarker} four poin Four .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Doesn't it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Very easy to use . Do you think it's easy to use ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , I think so . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : I give a seven , I think .", "Industrial Designer : Six .", "Project Manager : I would give a {disfmarker} I would give a seven as well . It's very easy to use .", "Industrial Designer : Six .", "Marketing : Mm , six for me also .", "Project Manager : So", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Marketing : Six point five . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : six point five .", "Industrial Designer : Six six six point five .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound} Is it fashion ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh yeah ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : its its f its fruit fruit shape .", "Marketing : Seven ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I would say seven . And is very very nice design .", "Marketing : Yeah it's fashion , because it's a fruit ,", "User Interface : Yeah , we can we can put a seven here .", "Marketing : and we say that the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , seven .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah , seven .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Seven , okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well , we hope .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Easy to find .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Uh easy to find in a room ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I lost my banana . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I think you can't miss it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh .", "User Interface : Yeah , I think it's cool . I think we can put a six here .", "Marketing : We have the lightning , or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , we have {vocalsound} the {vocalsound}", "Marketing : The lighting .", "Project Manager : we don't sesh especially have the lightning", "User Interface : {vocalsound} So you'll make the material transparent", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : so that it uh lights up completely , or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So it's yellow . It's okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {gap}", "Project Manager : I think it's very easy to {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Seven ?", "Project Manager : I would say seven . It's hard to miss it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Six . Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Is it {disfmarker} is it robust ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's rubber , made of rubber ,", "Industrial Designer : Uh f yeah , it's ru it's rubber .", "Project Manager : I think it's m it's uh more rubber than uh other remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah the only problem there might be {disfmarker} which {gap} know , i if it's very sensitive ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : they will ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : I don't know {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But it is uh {disfmarker} it is surrounded by rubber material .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , okay .", "Project Manager : So maybe we can put a six .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Everybody is okay , six .", "Industrial Designer : Six or five . Five {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Six is okay ?", "User Interface : Six , yeah , for me .", "Industrial Designer : Six .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : S now {vocalsound} um so .", "Project Manager : Tadada . We have to sum up everything .", "User Interface : Twenty .", "Marketing : Thirteen uh , twenty , twenty six point five , uh seven , thirty two , thirty six {gap} .", "User Interface : Thirty . Thir", "Marketing : That's that's okay ? Six .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Six is a good {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Good . Uh if we say that seven it's uh it's the better ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , the be .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : Yeah , the top {disfmarker}", "Marketing : and when uh s six sit six are good {disfmarker} it's a good uh p product , I think .", "Project Manager : Okay , so six is a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm . So will become eight soon ?", "Project Manager : So it's a good evaluation , I think . It's very promising .", "User Interface : Yeah , well it's a bit biased . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Huh ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 72, "turns": [ 319, 499 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor B commented that despite the fact that November fifteenth was months away now it felt like it was just around the corner. PhD E asked what was the meaning of November fifteenth. Professor B replied that day was the evaluation, and that it was possible that they postpone it. Also was hoping it wouldn't be too long because some people were leaving and there wasn't anybody OGI currently working on it. PhD E questioned whether that part of the evaluation was important to the overall, Professor B said that yes.", "title": "The Evaluation of November", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD E asked the meaning of November fifteenth. Professor B replied that day was the evaluation, and that it was possible that they postpone it. Also was hoping it wouldn't be too long because there wasn't anybody OGI currently working on it. PhD E questioned whether that part of the evaluation was important to the overall, Professor B said that yes.", "title": "The Evaluation of November", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 59 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "insertion penalties", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD E questioned if the system was ready. PhD D replied that they were still tweaking something about it, varying different parameters like the insertion penalty and seeing what the performance was. PhD D guessed that at some point people might make suggestions to see if it really was biased towards any ser of features. Professor B added that would like to know if they would really get hurt, about the insertion penalty, the language model, the scaling and that sort of thing.", "title": "Parameter of Insertion Penalty", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "insertion penalties", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD E asked if the system was ready. PhD D replied that they were still tweaking something about it, varying different parameters like the insertion penalty and seeing what the performance was. Professor B added that he would like to know if they would really get hurt, about the insertion penalty, the language model, the scaling and that sort of thing.", "title": "Parameter of Insertion Penalty", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 49 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Wall Street Journal , data", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD E commented that Guenter was putting a lot of Wall Street Journal data on the disks. PhD E asked if that was the data they would be working with. Professor B said yes and added that they had the data, but not the recognizer. PhD E said that then the test could take a long time to run. Professor B believed that the recognizer was trained in Wall Street cleaning and evidence.", "title": "Wall Street Journal Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "wall street journal , data", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD E commented that there was a lot of Wall Street Journal data on the disks to be working with.", "title": "Wall Street Journal Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 75, 97 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "double check , low weight", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B commented that they wanted it as a double check, in case they didn't realize they had invented features which were actually would do badly for a significantly different task, particularly one with a larger vocabulary. Professor B also added that since it was a double check, would probably be assigned some kind of low weight. Professor B said that they were running it in three different ways; like well matched, moderately matched, and very poorly matched, but it was only a marginal.", "title": "Double Check of Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 71 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "double check , low weight", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B, want it as a double check, haven't come across, haven't invented features, which, gonna do badly for a significantly different task; most of the applications, pretty small vocabulary; double check, probably assign it some sort of low weight.", "title": "Double Check of Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 71 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mailing list", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D asked if Chuck should be added to the mailing lists, thought that would be best as there was a mailing list for the current job.", "title": "Mailing List", "relevant_turns": [ [ 139, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "mailing list", "speaker": "PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD D, shall, add Chuck also to the mailing lists?, may be better, mailing list for this; maybe Hari or Hynek, one of them, send a mail to Joe; to add, just fine.", "title": "Mailing List", "relevant_turns": [ [ 139, 149 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "system , download", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD E asked when they had the system available for download. PhD D assumed that the final system would be in one week.", "title": "Final System for Download", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "system , download", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD D" }, "summary": "PhD E asked when they had the system available for download. PhD D assumed that a preliminary version existed but they were doing modifications and that the final system would be in one week.", "title": "Final System for Download", "relevant_turns": [ [ 100, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recognizer , SVM , HMM", "speaker": "Grad C , PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad C asked if was his SVM recognizer. PhD D answered it was just an HMM, Gaussian mixture model. Professor B added that they had options in their recognizer and the SVM was one of the things they had done with it.", "title": "SVM or HMM Recognizer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 111, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recognizer , SVM , HMM", "speaker": "Grad C , PhD D , Professor B" }, "summary": "Grad C questioned if was his SVM recognizer. PhD D answered no, that it was just an HMM, Gaussian mixture model. Professor B added that had options in their recognizer.", "title": "SVM or HMM Recognizer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 111, 127 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD E : What about the , um {disfmarker} uh , the new part of the evaluation , the , uh , Wall Street Journal part ?", "Professor B : Right . Right . Um . Have you ever {disfmarker} ? Very good question . Have you ever worked with the Mississippi State h uh , software ?", "PhD A : Sorry .", "PhD E : No . Not yet .", "Professor B : Oh . Well you {disfmarker} you may be called upon to help , uh , uh , on account of , uh , all the work in this stuff here has been , uh , with small vocabulary .", "PhD E : OK . Mm - hmm . So what {disfmarker} how is the , uh , interaction supposed to happen ? Uh , I remember the last time we talked about this , it was sort of up in the air whether they were going to be taking , uh , people 's features and then running them or they were gonna give the system out or {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD E : Oh , so they 're gonna just deliver a system basically .", "PhD D : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor B : Do we already have it ?", "PhD D : Yeah , th I {disfmarker} I guess it 's almost ready .", "PhD E : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : So {disfmarker} That 's what {disfmarker} So they have released their , uh , document , describing the system .", "Professor B : Maybe you could , uh , point it {pause} at Chuck ,", "PhD E : I see .", "Professor B : because , I mean {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Sure .", "PhD E : So we 'll have to grab this over CVS or something ?", "PhD D : It - no , it 's just downloadable from their {disfmarker} from their web site .", "PhD E : Is that how they do it ? OK .", "Professor B : Cuz one of the things that might be helpful , if you 've {disfmarker} if you 've got time in all of this is , is if {disfmarker} if these guys are really focusing on improving , uh , all the digit stuff , uh , maybe {disfmarker} and you got the front - end from them , maybe you could do the runs for the {disfmarker}", "PhD E : OK . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : and {disfmarker} and , you know , iron out hassles that {disfmarker} that you have to , uh , tweak Joe about or whatever ,", "PhD E : Sure .", "Professor B : because you 're more experienced with running the large vocabulary stuff .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : S", "PhD D : So I 'll point you to the web site and the mails corresponding . So I", "PhD E : And it {disfmarker} but it 's not ready yet , the system ?", "PhD D : Uh , I {disfmarker} I think they are still , uh , tuning something on that . So they 're like , d they 're varying different parameters like the insertion penalty and other stuff , and then seeing what 's the performance .", "PhD E : Are those going to be parameters that are frozen , nobody can change ? Or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : Uh , w I guess there is , uh , time during which people are gonna make suggestions .", "PhD E : Oh , but everybody 's gonna have to use the same values .", "PhD D : After that .", "PhD E : Oh ! Interesting .", "PhD D : Yeah , I guess .", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD D : So these sugges these {disfmarker} this , uh , period during which people are gonna make suggestions is to know whether it is actually biased towards any set of features or {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , so I th th certainly the thing that I would want to know about is whether we get really hurt , uh , on in insertion penalty , language model , scaling , sorts of things .", "PhD E : Using our features .", "Professor B : Yeah , yeah .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh , in which case , um , H Hari or Hynek will need to , you know , push the case {pause} more about {disfmarker} about this .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um .", "PhD E : And we may be able to revisit this idea about , you know , somehow modifying our features to work with {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yes . In this case , that 's right .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : That 's right . Um , some of that may be , uh , a last minute rush thing because if the {disfmarker} if our features are changing {disfmarker} Uh .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : Uh . But , um . Yeah , the other thing is that even though it 's months away , uh , it 's starting to seem to me now like November fifteenth is right around the corner . And , um , if they haven't decided things like this , like what the parameters are gonna be for this , uh , when \" deciding \" is not just somebody deciding . I mean , in fact there should be some understanding behind the , uh , {vocalsound} deciding , which means some experiments and {disfmarker} and so forth . It {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it seems pretty tight to me .", "PhD E : So wha what 's the significance of November fifteenth ?", "Professor B : That 's when the evaluation is .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : Yeah . So , yeah , so after {disfmarker} But , you know , they may even decide in the end to push it off . It wouldn't , you know , entirely surprise me . But , uh , due to other reasons , like some people are going away , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm hoping it 's not pushed off for {vocalsound} a l a long while . That would be , uh {disfmarker} put us in an awkward position . But {disfmarker} Anyway .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : Great . Yeah , I think that 'll be helpful . There 's {disfmarker} there 's not anybody OGI currently who 's {disfmarker} who 's , uh , working with this and {disfmarker} and", "PhD E : Is {disfmarker} is this part of the evaluation just a small part , or ho how important is this to the overall {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : I {disfmarker} I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's , um {disfmarker} it depends how badly {vocalsound} you do . I mean , I think that it {disfmarker} it is {disfmarker} Uh .", "PhD D : b", "PhD E : This is one of those things that will be debated afterwards ?", "Professor B : Yeah . Well , I mean , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} Conceptually , it {disfmarker} my impression , again , you guys correct me if I 'm wrong , but {pause} my impression is that , um , they want it as a double check . That you haven't come across {disfmarker} you haven't invented features which are actually gonna do badly for a {disfmarker} a significantly different task , particularly one with larger vocabulary . And , um , but it 's not the main emphasis .", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : I mean , the truth is , most of the applications they 're looking at are pretty small vocabulary .", "PhD E : Mmm .", "Professor B : So it 's {disfmarker} it 's a double check . So they 'll probably assign it some sort of low weight .", "PhD E : Seems to me that if it 's a double check , they should give you a one or a zero . Y you passed the threshold or you didn't pass the threshold , and they shouldn't even care about what the score is .", "Professor B : Yeah . But , I mean , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll see what they come up with . Uh , but in {disfmarker} in the current thing , for instance , where you have this well - matched , moderately - matched , and {disfmarker} and mis highly - mismatched , uh , the emphasis is somewhat on the {disfmarker} on the well - matched , but it 's only a {disfmarker} a marginal ,", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : right ? It 's like forty , thirty - five , twenty - five , or something like that . So you still {disfmarker} if you were way , way off on the highly - mismatched , it would have a big effect .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , um , it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that with this . So again , if you 're {disfmarker} if you get {disfmarker} If it doesn't help you much , uh , for noisy versions of this {disfmarker} of large vocabulary data , then , uh , you know , it may not hurt you that much .", "PhD E : Oh .", "Professor B : But if it {disfmarker} if you don't {disfmarker} if it doesn't help you much at all , um , or to put it another way , if it helps some people a lot more than it helps other people , uh , if their strategies do , then {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mm - hmm . So is this , uh {disfmarker} ? Uh , Guenter was putting a bunch of Wall Street Journal data on our disks .", "Professor B : That 's it .", "PhD E : So that 's the data that we 'll be running on ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : I see . OK .", "Professor B : Yeah . So {pause} we have the data , just not the recognizer . OK .", "PhD E : So this test may take quite a while to run , then . May - judging by the amount of data that he was putting on .", "Professor B : Uh , well there 's training and test , right ?", "PhD E : I {disfmarker} I guess , I 'm not sure .", "Professor B : No , I mean , if it 's like the other things , there 's {disfmarker} there 's data for training the H M Ms and {disfmarker} and data for testing it .", "PhD E : I just {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So I wouldn't {disfmarker} So it {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD E : OK . So there 's {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So , training the recognizer , but , um Um . But I think it 's trained on clean and {disfmarker} Is it trained on clean and {disfmarker} and test on {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : The Wall Street ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Apparently , no . It 's training on a range between ten and twenty DB , I think , and testing between five and fifteen .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "PhD A : That 's what I got {pause} on {disfmarker}", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD D : It 's , uh {disfmarker} It 's like a medium {disfmarker} medium - mismatch condition , sort of .", "PhD A : Yeah ,", "Professor B : I see .", "PhD A : and {disfmarker} So the noise is {disfmarker} There is a range of different noises also {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} which are selected randomly and added randomly , uh , to the files . And there are noises that are different from the noises used {pause} on TI - digits .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . I mean , I wouldn't imagine that the amount of testing data was that huge . They probably put training {disfmarker} uh , almost certain they put training data there too . Maybe not . So . That 's that . Anybody have anything else ?", "PhD E : Uh , one {disfmarker} one last question on that . When did they estimate that they would have that system available for download ?", "PhD D : Um , I guess {disfmarker} I guess one {disfmarker} some preliminary version is already there .", "PhD E : Oh , so there 's w something you can download to just learn ?", "PhD D : Yeah , it 's already there . Yeah .", "PhD E : OK ,", "PhD D : But they 're actually parallel - y doing some modifications also , I think .", "PhD E : good .", "PhD D : So I guess the f final system will be frozen by middle of , like , one more week maybe .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : Oh , well that 's pretty soon .", "PhD D : Yeah , that 's just one more .", "Grad C : Is this their , um , SVM recognizer ?", "PhD D : No , it 's just a straightforward HMM .", "Professor B : You know , their {disfmarker} their {disfmarker} They have a lot of options {pause} in their recognizer and {disfmarker} and the SVM is one of the things they 've done with it , but it 's not their more standard thing .", "Grad C : Oh , OK . Uh - huh .", "Professor B : For the most part it 's {disfmarker} it 's Gaussian mixtures .", "Grad C : Oh , OK . Oh , OK .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : It 's just a HMM , Gaussian mixture model .", "Grad C : Gaussian mixture HMM .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad C : OK .", "Professor B : Yeah , the SVM thing was an HMM also . It was just a {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it was like a hybrid , like {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Yeah , this is a g yeah , this i", "Professor B : what ?", "PhD D : yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : So , just so that I understand , they 're providing scripts and everything so that basically , uh , you {disfmarker} you push a button and it does training , and then it does test , and everything ? Is that {pause} the idea ?", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} yeah , I {disfmarker} I guess something like that . It 's like {vocalsound} {disfmarker} as painless as possible ,", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : is what {disfmarker} Do they provide all the scripts , everything , and then {disfmarker} Just ,", "PhD E : I see . Hmm . Somehow yo there 's hooks to put your features in and {disfmarker}", "PhD D : ju Yeah , I th I think .", "PhD E : Hmm .", "Professor B : Hmm . Yeah , um . In fact , I mean , if you look into it a little bit , it might be reasonable {disfmarker} You know Joe , right ? Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Just to sort of ask him about the issue of , um , different features having different kinds of , uh , scaling characteristics and so on . So that , you know , w w possibly having entirely different optimal values for {disfmarker} for the usual twiddle factors and what 's {disfmarker} what 's the plan about that ?", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD D : So sh shall we , like , add Chuck also to the mailing lists ? It may be better , I mean , in that case if he 's going to {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Because there 's a mailing list for this .", "Professor B : Is that OK ?", "PhD E : Yeah , that 'd be great .", "PhD D : Yeah , I guess maybe Hari or Hynek , one of them , has to {pause} send a mail to Joe . Or maybe if you {disfmarker}", "PhD E : I {disfmarker} I could send him an email .", "PhD D : Well , yeah , to add or maybe wh", "PhD E : I {disfmarker} I know him really well .", "PhD D : Yeah , so that 's just fine .", "PhD E : I {disfmarker} I was just talking with him on email the other day actually .", "PhD D : So {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Uh , yeah , and just , um , se maybe see .", "PhD D : So {disfmarker}", "PhD E : About other things , but .", "Professor B : Do you have Hari 's , uh {disfmarker} ?", "PhD E : I have Hari 's {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Yeah , so maybe just CC Hari and say that you 've just been asked to handle the large vocabulary part here , and , uh , you know ,", "PhD E : OK . Would it be better if I asked Hari to ask Joe ?", "Professor B : Uh . Why don't you just ask Joe but CC Hari , and then in the note say , \" Hari , hopefully this is OK with you \" .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : And then if Joe feels like he needs a confirmation , Hari can answer it .", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : That way you can get started asking {comment} Joe quickly while he 's {disfmarker} while he 's maybe still , you know , putting in nails and screws and Yeah .", "PhD D : And there is an , uh , archive of all the mails that has been {vocalsound} gon that has gone , uh , between these people {disfmarker} among these people . So just you can see all this {pause} mails in the ISIP web site {disfmarker}", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD D : Mississippi web site .", "PhD E : OK . Is that a password controlled {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : Yeah , it 's password protected .", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD D : So , like {disfmarker} like , it 's , like {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Have you thought about {pause} how long {pause} would be uh , most useful for you to go up to OGI ?", "PhD A : I don't know , uh . We can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} For September , we can set up a work schedule and we can maybe work independently . And then at some point it maybe be better to work together again .", "Professor B : Oh , so you 're {disfmarker} you 're imagining more that you would come back here first for a while and then {disfmarker} and then go up there ?", "PhD A : I {disfmarker}", "Professor B : I mean , it 's to you .", "PhD A : Maybe , yeah .", "Professor B : I ju you guys are Well , y anyway , you don't have to decide this second but thi think about it {disfmarker} about what {disfmarker} what you would think would be the {disfmarker} the best way to work it . I 'll", "PhD A : But , uh {pause} Huh . Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : support it either way , so .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm Right ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 2, "turns": [ 255, 426 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "While discussing the product evaluation, Project Manager said that it was being done well. Marketing added that they had an easy-to-use interface, button menu, and elegant appearance. Industrial Designer stated the most elegant was the double curve product. Marketing added that what they were doing was moving the menu from the TV to the remote control. Project Manager said that the plastic sucked, but it was no worse than any of the other remotes they had. Marketing added that it was not a step backward, and everyone agreed to give it a six. 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In the matter of fruit and vegetable inspiration, User Interface wondered which of them could be flat, and said that it wasn't the only criteria for fashion.", "title": "User Interface's View on the Remote Control's Fashion", "relevant_turns": [ 75, 77, [ 99, 101 ], [ 107, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "fashion style , remote control , product evaluation", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested a selection of colours, say in how purple or leopard print would be cool. In the matter of fruit and vegetable inspiration, wondered which could be flat, and said it wasn't the sole criteria for fashion style.", "title": "User Interface's View on the Remote Control's Fashion", "relevant_turns": [ 75, 77, [ 99, 101 ], [ 107, 114 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target people , technologically , radical", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer believed that depending on who the target people were, they would or wouldn't buy the product. Industrial Designer gave the example that women might think it would look good in the living room, while other people would say it was good because it had only two buttons and a joystick. So, the question was what kind of people were more likely to buy it. Marketing believed that people technologically were more likely to buy it. Also commented that if Marketing's mom saw a remote control like that, probably wouldn't buy it. Marketing concluded that it was totally radical to have a remote control without numbered buttons.", "title": "Target People for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 147, 167 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "target people , technologically , radical", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer believed that the control remote would or wouldn't be bought depending on the target people. Industrial Designer explained some people would think it looked good, while other people would think in the technological aspect. So they wondered about the kind of people who were more likely to buy it. Marketing replied that the people technologically were more likely to buy it, and concluded that it was totally radical that the product didn't have numbered buttons.", "title": "Target People for the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 147, 167 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , easy to use", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing talked about reducing the number of unused buttons, leaving only two buttons. Also commented that it was good and emphasized that it had an easy-to-use interface, a button menu, and a fancy looking.", "title": "Remote Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , easy to use", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing, reduce, unused buttons, easy to use interface, buttons menu.", "title": "Remote Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 26 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : 'Kay . Ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost . Um . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Special colour .", "Marketing : Special colour .", "Project Manager : Mm mm four ?", "Marketing : Uh uh four .", "Project Manager : Three ? Mm .", "User Interface : Three . I think we can do three .", "Marketing : Three if we're being generous , I feel .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Th the special colour doesn't {disfmarker} would I think make a difference .", "Marketing : Think we're being generous here with three .", "Industrial Designer : Three .", "User Interface : It makes it stand out from {disfmarker} you know it's lost in a big pile of crap , it stands out from the rest of the crap . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Reduce the number of unused buttons . We're down to t two buttons , is it ?", "User Interface : Two buttons and a joystick .", "Project Manager : Two buttons .", "Marketing : Okay , so that's a one . You know ,", "User Interface : Totally .", "Marketing : where that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . I'd say we're doing well there .", "Marketing : Okay , that was good . Easy to use interface , buttons menu , menus {gap}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : that's yeah that's good . {vocalsound} 'Kay that's {disfmarker} we're not doing so badly . Um {vocalsound} easy to use {disfmarker} oh okay , let's forget that one . Fancy looking . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} As he models the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It doesn't get much fancier .", "Marketing : Sure . And we could do whatever we like with the L_ L_C_D_ . Yeah let's just assume it's a good L_C_D_ display .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Maybe I was panicking for no reason .", "Industrial Designer : Are we going one on {gap} ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : I'd say we go two , 'cause like f the fanciest would be the double curved .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : I'd {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Wouldn't it ?", "Marketing : w maybe you'd be a bit too {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : yeah . There we go . Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : With the articulators . With bells on it .", "Marketing : that's m that's that's better too . More accurate numbers . Technologically innovative . Well , we're getting rid of the locator thing", "Project Manager : Which is a shame .", "Marketing : which which", "User Interface : Mm . I'd give it a three for this {disfmarker} for that .", "Marketing : yeah {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No need for teletext .", "Marketing : {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah . I mean the menus thing is something you don't normally see on um on a remote ,", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "User Interface : but {vocalsound} you see it in a lot of other places .", "Marketing : Yeah , mobile phones .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : And y what you're doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control , so it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : You say three ? I might go as far as two on that . Three .", "User Interface : I'd give it a three .", "Project Manager : I'd be tempted with three , yeah .", "Marketing : Three . Okay .", "Project Manager : We'll get panned on the next one , anyway .", "Marketing : Okay . Materials that people find pleasing .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , w", "Marketing : Sponginess is what they really would have wanted , apparently .", "Project Manager : It is , yeah . Don't blame them .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um because of the way that we've minimalised the number of buttons and such .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Plastic , it sucks . But it's no worse than any of the other pl remote controls we have .", "Marketing : That's true . It's not a step backwards .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} five ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . I'd s I I'd give it a six , to be honest .", "Industrial Designer : Six ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , okay let's give it a six .", "Industrial Designer : Six , {gap} .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay , that's totally thrown everything off balance . Inspired by the latest interior and clothing fashion . W we could . What colour were we gonna make it ?", "Industrial Designer : Put a leopard print on it . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Well I I I would sa I would say give a s give a selection of colours .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I know ,", "User Interface : Um we went with yellow we went with yellow for the prototype", "Marketing : but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : 'cause we had yellow . If I were buying one , I'd go for purple . Leopard print would be cool .", "Marketing : But um by this I think it's more a case of fruit and veg , {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah we gotta {gap} . I'd say the colour of the border there world {disfmarker} you'd find that , {gap} that's that'd stand out .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Like yellow , yeah . It would also help keep the the product placement s", "Industrial Designer : Logo , brand .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Is it inspired by {gap} clothing fashion ?", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} Th th they're referring to the fruit and veg thing .", "Industrial Designer : Mm 'kay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes .", "Marketing : Is this like a banana type colour ? Could we stretch {disfmarker} no still , it's not shaped like a banana is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : That's kinda {disfmarker} {gap} i", "Project Manager : It's kind o it", "User Interface : it won't be when it's been", "Project Manager : probably {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh is that 'cause it's flat ?", "User Interface : budgeted .", "Marketing : What is {disfmarker} what fruit or veg is flat ?", "User Interface : I I think s I I think this isn't {disfmarker} not particularly fruit and veggie . Um .", "Marketing : Yeah . Or we might have to suffer badly for this one as well . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yellow courgette .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I mean it's probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg , so , {vocalsound} what , four ?", "Marketing : Four ? Oh that's it's very ambitious ,", "Project Manager : Is that being too generous ?", "User Interface : Mm . I'd {vocalsound} I'd I don't think fruit and veg is the sole criterion . {vocalsound} Is the sole criterion for being um fashion {gap} fashionable or inspired by current fashions .", "Marketing : yeah , um .", "Project Manager : Oh dear , {gap} .", "Marketing : Sure . Inspired by {gap} .", "User Interface : Um I'd g I'd rate I'd rate this fairly highly from that point of view actually .", "Industrial Designer : Well this this what we're gonna t this is their motto , like .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And we're we're not doing well on it .", "Marketing : This is their strategy . I m imagine we actually had some money invested in this and the amount that we invest is gonna be proportional to the marks . Might {disfmarker} we might wanna be a bit more skepible sceptical about this one .", "Project Manager : What would you think yourself ?", "Marketing : I would say {disfmarker} I mean it's it's not at all , right ? {vocalsound} In any way or shape or form .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well , it's kind of curved", "Marketing : We didn't m", "Project Manager : and we can make it yellow , and that's pretty much banana like .", "Marketing : Okay , the the yellow banana like thing is I think is okay .", "Project Manager : Si it's got a curve to it .", "Marketing : Right five . Is that {vocalsound} sound reasonable ?", "Project Manager : Am I {disfmarker} do you think I'm stretching the uh the use of the banana ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I'll go with five .", "Marketing : Five . {vocalsound} Yeah . 'Kay , so we have one , two , three , four , five , six , seven . So five , seven , ten , sixteen , twenty one . Which gives us an average of three . It's {disfmarker} well this would be in the middle . So we it's it's not bad . It's in the good section .", "Project Manager : It's not bad and considering the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} don't pick the pen . Um .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oops . Sorry . {vocalsound} I'm I'm sorry .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Y oh and you've knocked batteries out .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um right okay it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : 'S bad design , that thing . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : considering the price we had to get this in , to have a positive {disfmarker} you know , even based on the four of us being heavily biased , um", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} it was gonna be quite hard to get anything standing out I'd say possibly , based on um the the cost features .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm , yeah .", "Marketing : Even if we were to increase this entire thing by by seven , we were to go down a grade to to four , we would have to do {disfmarker} I mean we didn't we weren't that kinda optimistic too optim overly optimistic . You know like we didn't we didn't add we didn't subtract a whole seven points from these things , so I think we're definitely on the good bit .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Even if we gave this one seven and this one seven , that's still only three extra points over seven . You know , it's {disfmarker} yeah ,", "User Interface : Mm . Personally , I think given that the product um only replaces a single remote control", "Marketing : we did it w it was okay . It was good .", "User Interface : that you've already got , are people really gonna shell out twenty five Euros for something that's only marginally good ?", "Industrial Designer : Well , it depends who your {disfmarker} who's {disfmarker} what the target people are , like you'd say maybe the fashion conscious", "Project Manager : Maybe it's been targeted {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : women would be going , oh look at that , 's cool , it looks like a {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : it's yellow , looks like a banana , it's cool it's gotta {disfmarker} look good in the sitting room .", "Project Manager : Hide it in the fruit basket .", "Industrial Designer : Rather than the L_C_D_ whereas uh more technical like like more uh people in with the latest technology {gap} it's good , it's got an L_C_D_ screen 's only got two buttons and a joystick . So , which which kind of people would be more likely to buy it ?", "Project Manager : Probably the people technologically . They're usually the ones that buy pointless stuff .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I think so .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I mean my mum still has not learnt how to use text messaging on her phone , and she's had it for a long time , you know . She uses it to make phone calls and that's it .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "Marketing : Yeah . So I think if sh if my mum saw a remote control like this with only two buttons and a joystick , I mean that'll probably be the first one she decides not to buy , you know .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : She'd be like is this a remote control , I don't {disfmarker} how do you use it , and stuff like that . So even if it is really user friendly to us , but we're used to using menus all the time .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . I s {vocalsound} I suppose one thing is that b because it's technically innovative , um for someone who's sort of technophobic , the fact that it simply looks unfamiliar would be daunting .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Um .", "Marketing : I think it's totally uh radical to have a remote control with no no numbered buttons ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : But like radical good , maybe ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 43, "turns": [ 94, 121 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "curve design , ergonomic , remote control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested that they made something that fits comfortably into the hand sort of ergonomic, and a shape of curve may be attractive.", "title": "Remote Control Curve Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "curve design , ergonomic , remote control", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that they needed to make something fairly ergonomic that would fit comfortably into the hand while also allowing the possibility of a slightly unconventional or attractive shape, like a curve. Something slightly biomorphic in the form to conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently.", "title": "Remote Control Curve Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 27 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : we can {disfmarker} we'll have to work fast , um , alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting , so {vocalsound} we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality , um , how the user interface might work , that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it , you have to have a lot of response back , or at least some kind . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out", "Marketing : What the user wants uh .", "Project Manager : what the user wants , yes .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um , right . Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage , anything they think that might have been missed so far ?", "Industrial Designer : Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff , do you think they should have some sort of stick on it , rather than buttons ?", "Marketing : Oh . Okay , {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Like uh control pads , you know of games , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : or is that a bit ridiculous ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to . Um", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and that could allow n easy navigation , used as a joystick as well .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic , something that just fits {vocalsound} fits as comfortably as possible into the hand . But of course , uh al al also allows for {gap} the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive uh sha shape for it overall , {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : Okay . So ,", "User Interface : A curve ,", "Project Manager : small , stylish , and something that's just a little different .", "User Interface : mm-hmm . Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form , {vocalsound} uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway .", "Project Manager : Okay . That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily . I would I would have hoped so anyway . Um , right . I'd say we finish this one up , we get started , I'll get in , I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done , and I'll get that out to everybody . Yeah ?", "Marketing : 'Kay . So .", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Um , as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here , um unless we get told otherwise , and just take the laptops with us ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 52, "turns": [ 1043, 1157 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "forced alignment", "speaker": "Postdoc G , PhD A" }, "summary": "Postdoc G asked if having speech from segments of one speaker and running them through a recognizer was right. PhD A said the recognizer would do forced alignment to give time boundaries.", "title": "Forced Alignment for Time Boundaries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 82, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "forced alignment", "speaker": "Postdoc G , PhD A" }, "summary": "Postdoc G asked if it was right to take a speech from one speaker and cut out the parts that were not from that speaker and then combined the segments from that same speaker and run them through the recognizer. PhD A said they tried to find them as close start and end time to the speech from an individual speaker because they would be more guaranteed the recognizer would do forced alignment and give time boundaries.", "title": "Forced Alignment for Time Boundaries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 82, 91 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "room acoustics", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B asked to what extent the close-talking microphone was getting affected by any room acoustics. PhD A said it didn't seem like big room acoustics problems.", "title": "Suggestions for Echo Cancellation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "room acoustics", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD A" }, "summary": "Professor B said that they were looking at some echo cancellation things and asked to what extent the close-talking microphone was getting hurt by any room acoustics when talking about improving the waveform. PhD A said it didn't seem like big room acoustics problems but more of a problem with cross-talk and didn't know how good it could get either by those methods.", "title": "Suggestions for Echo Cancellation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "problem", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD E said the problem was the microphone of somebody who was not talking picking up signals from other people. PhD A said that it seemed like it was a problem with cross-talk.", "title": "Possible Cause of Problems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 61 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "problem", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD E; the problem is like on the microphone of somebody who's not talking they're picking up signals from other people and that's causing problems; PhD A; It seems like a problem with cross-talk; although if they're not talking, using the inhouse transcriptions, were sort of OK because the no one transcribed any words there and we throw it out; But if they're talking at all and they're not talking the whole time, so you get some speech and then an \" mm-hmm \", and some more speech, so that whole thing is one chunk. And the person in the middle who said only a little bit is picking up the speech around it, that's where it's a big problem.", "title": "Possible Cause of Problems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 61 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "alignment", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD E asked if increasing the flexibility of the alignment would help improve the echo cancellation like what Michael Finka did. PhD A said that when the signal-to-noise ratio was too low one would get an alignment with the wrong duration pattern.", "title": "Increasing Flexibility of Alignment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 94, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "alignment", "speaker": "PhD E , PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD E; What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment; Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did; PhD A; The problem is just that the acoustic when the signal-to-noise ratio is too low, you'll get an alignment with the wrong duration pattern; what he did is allow you to have words that were in another segment move over to the at the edges of segmentations; things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong; what they had done there is align and then chop.", "title": "Increasing Flexibility of Alignment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 94, 109 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "interface", "speaker": "Postdoc G , PhD D" }, "summary": "Postdoc G asked about the interface on the laptop which had different visual displays. PhD D said it only displayed the different colors for the different situations and it was possible to compare the sample view with the segment.", "title": "Using Interface for Taking Segments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 68, 82 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "interface", "speaker": "Postdoc G , PhD D" }, "summary": "Postdoc G talked about the interface on the laptop which had different visual displays as speech and nonspeech events and that the main change in the interface was that they would be able to time things more finely. PhD D said that the interface only displayed the different colors for the different situations and compared the sample view with the segment and only with a different band of color for the few situations would the acoustic event be enough.", "title": "Using Interface for Taking Segments", "relevant_turns": [ [ 68, 82 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad H : That 's right .", "PhD D : The fa", "Grad F : Yeah .", "PhD D :", "Grad H : \" Please throw everything in that direction . \"", "Professor B : Yeah . Anyway .", "Grad H : Padded cell .", "Postdoc G : It 'd be fun to get like a {disfmarker} a p visit from the {disfmarker}", "Grad H : There was a dorm room at Tech that , uh , someone had coated the walls and the ceiling , and , uh , the floor with mattresses .", "Grad F : Mmm .", "Grad H : The entire room .", "Professor B : I had as my fourth thing here processing of wave forms .", "Postdoc G : Yeah .", "Professor B : What did we mean by that ? Remember @ @ ?", "Grad H : Uh , Liz wanted to talk about methods of improving accuracy by doing pre - processing .", "Postdoc G : Pre - processing .", "PhD A : Well I think that {disfmarker} that was just sort of {disfmarker} I I already asked Thilo", "Professor B : Oh , you already did that .", "PhD A : but that , um , it would be helpful if I can stay in the loop somehow with , um , people who are doing any kind of post - processing , whether it 's to separate speakers or to improve the signal - to - noise ratio , or both , um , that we can sort of try out as we 're running recognition . Um , so , i is that {disfmarker} Who else is work I guess Dan Ellis and you", "PhD C : Dan , yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , and Dave uh {pause} Gel - Gelbart again ,", "Grad H : Yep .", "PhD A : and Dave .", "PhD C : Yep .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : he 's {disfmarker} he 's interested in {disfmarker} in fact we 're look starting to look at some echo cancellation kind of things .", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : Which uh {disfmarker}", "Grad H : I am not sure how much that 's an issue with the close talking mikes ,", "Professor B : Hmm ?", "Grad H : but who knows ?", "Professor B : Well , let 's {disfmarker} w i isn't that what {disfmarker} what you want {disfmarker}", "PhD A : I don't know . I 'm bad {disfmarker}", "Professor B : t No , so {disfmarker} No , i w wha what you {disfmarker} what you want {disfmarker} when you 're saying improving the wave form you want the close talking microphone to be better .", "PhD A : It 's like {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} like {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Right ?", "Grad H : Right .", "Professor B : And the question is to w to what extent is it getting hurt by , uh {disfmarker} by any room acoustics or is it just {disfmarker} uh , given that it 's close it 's not a problem ?", "PhD A : It doesn't seem like big room acoustics problems to my ear", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker}", "PhD A : but I 'm not an expert . It seems like a problem with cross - talk .", "Professor B : OK , so it 's {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad H : e I bet with the lapel mike there 's plenty , uh , room acoustic", "PhD A : That {disfmarker} that may be true .", "Grad H : but I I think the rest is cross - talk .", "PhD A : But I don't know how good it can get either by those {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} those methods {disfmarker}", "Grad H : Yeah .", "PhD A : That 's true .", "Professor B : OK .", "Grad H : So I {disfmarker} I think it 's just ,", "PhD A : Oh , I don't know .", "Grad H : yeah , what you said , cross - talk .", "PhD A : All I meant is just that as sort of {disfmarker} as this pipeline of research is going on we 're also experimenting with different ASR , uh , techniques .", "Grad H : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : And so it 'd be w good to know about it .", "PhD E : So the problem is like , uh , on the microphone of somebody who 's not talking they 're picking up signals from other people {comment} and that 's {vocalsound} causing problems ?", "PhD A : R right , although if they 're not talking , using the {disfmarker} the inhouse transcriptions , were sort of O K because the t no one transcribed any words there and we throw it out .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : But if they 're talking at all and they 're not talking the whole time , so you get some speech and then a \" mm - hmm \" , and some more speech , so that whole thing is one chunk . And the person in the middle who said only a little bit is picking up the speech around it , that 's where it 's a big problem .", "Postdoc G : You know , this does like seem like it would relate to some of what Jose 's been working on as well , the encoding of the {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Postdoc G : And {disfmarker} and he also , he was {disfmarker}", "PhD A : The energy ,", "PhD D : Yeah ,", "PhD A : right . Exactly .", "PhD D : energy .", "Postdoc G : I was t I was trying to remember , you have this interface where you {disfmarker} i you ha you showed us one time on your laptop that you {disfmarker} you had different visual displays as speech and nonspeech events .", "PhD D : Yeah , c Yeah . May {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I only display the different colors for the different situation . But , eh , for me and for my problems , is uh {disfmarker} is enough . Because , eh , it 's possible , eh , eh , in a simp sample view , uh , to , nnn , to compare with c with the segment , the {disfmarker} the kind of assessment what happened with the {disfmarker} the different parameters . And only with a different bands of color for the , uh , few situation , eh , I consider for acoustic event is enough to @ @ .", "Postdoc G : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I see that , eh , you are considering now , eh , a very sophisticated , eh , ehm , eh , @ @ {comment} set of , eh , graphic s eh , eh , ehm , si symbols to {disfmarker} to transcribe . No ? Because , uh , before , you {disfmarker} you are talking about the {disfmarker} the possibility to include in the Transcriber program eh , um , a set of symbols , of graphic symbol to {disfmarker} t to mark the different situations during the transcription", "Postdoc G : Oh , I w Uh - huh .", "PhD D : during the transcription . No ?", "Postdoc G : Well , you 're saying {disfmarker} So , uh , symbols for differences between laugh , and sigh , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and slam the door and stuff ?", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah , yeah . The s the symbols , you {disfmarker} you talk of before .", "Postdoc G : Or some other kind of thing ?", "PhD D : No ? To {disfmarker} to mark {disfmarker}", "Postdoc G : Well , I wouldn't say {vocalsound} symbols so much . The {disfmarker} the main change that I {disfmarker} that I see in the interface is {disfmarker} is just that we 'll be able to more finely c uh , time things .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Postdoc G : But I {disfmarker} I also st there was another aspect of your work that I was thinking about when I was talking to you", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Postdoc G : which is that it sounded to me , Liz , as though you {disfmarker} and , uh , maybe I didn't q understand this , but it sounded to me as though part of the analysis that you 're doing involves taking segments which are of a particular type and putting them together .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Postdoc G : And th so if you have like a p a s you know , speech from one speaker , {pause} then you cut out the part that 's not that speaker ,", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc G : and you combine segments from {pause} that same speaker to {disfmarker} {comment} and run them through the recognizer . Is that {pause} right ?", "PhD A : Well we try to find as close of start and end time of {disfmarker} as we can to the speech from an individual speaker ,", "Postdoc G : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : because then we {disfmarker} we 're more guaranteed that the recognizer will {disfmarker} for the forced alignment which is just to give us the time boundaries , because from those time boundaries then the plan is to compute prosodic features .", "Postdoc G : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : And the sort of more space you have that isn't the thing you 're trying to align the more errors we have . Um , so , you know , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} it would help to have either pre - processing of a signal that creates very good signal - to - noise ratio ,", "Postdoc G : Mm - hmm . Cuz i OK .", "PhD A : which I don't know how possible this is for the lapel , um , or to have very {disfmarker} to have closer , {vocalsound} um , time {disfmarker} you know , synch times , basically , around the speech that gets transcribed in it , or both . And it 's just sort of a open world right now of exploring that . So I just wanted to {pause} see , you know , on the transcribing end from here things look good . Uh , the IBM one is more {disfmarker} it 's an open question right now . And then the issue of like global processing of some signal and then , you know , before we chop it up is {disfmarker} is yet another way we can improve things in that .", "PhD E : What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment ?", "Postdoc G : OK .", "PhD E : Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did ?", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : that experiment he did a while back ?", "PhD A : Right . You can , um {disfmarker} The problem is just that the acoustic {disfmarker} when the signal - to - noise ratio is too low , um , you {disfmarker} you 'll get , a uh {disfmarker} an alignment with the wrong duration pattern or it {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Oh , so that 's the problem , is the {disfmarker} the signal - to - noise ratio .", "PhD A : Yeah . It 's not the fact that you have like {disfmarker} I mean , what he did is allow you to have , uh , words that were in another segment move over to the {disfmarker} at the edges of {disfmarker} of segmentations .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm . Or even words inserted that weren't {disfmarker} weren't there .", "PhD A : Right , things {disfmarker} things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : cuz what they had done there is align and then chop .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Um , and this problem is a little bit j more global . It 's that there are problems even in inside the alignments , uh , because of the fact that there 's enough acoustic signal there t for the recognizer to {disfmarker} to eat , {vocalsound} as part of a word . And it tends to do that . S So , uh ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : but we probably will have to do something like that in addition . Anyway . So , yeah , bottom {disfmarker} bottom line is just I wanted to make sure I can be aware of whoever 's working on these signal - processing techniques for , uh , detecting energies ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : because that {disfmarker} that 'll really help us .", "Professor B : O K , uh tea has started out there I suggest we c run through our digits and ,", "Postdoc G : OK .", "Professor B : Uh , So , OK , we 're done ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 7, "turns": [ 43, 361 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discussion , product requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface suggested an interface with elegant, powerful, and easy to use functions. Project Manager asked about a remote control with many functions and easy to use; Marketing argued that it might be difficult to have both criteria. User Interface said that with a good interface, it would take less time to learn how to use it. Industrial Designer posed the idea of international standards for remotes, and asked how to merge the Google system to the group's system. Project Manager announced the new product requirements for the design of the remote control, such as internet instead of teletext, to be only used for television, and that the colour and the slogan should be recognizable in the product. Marketing proposed the product to be yellow. Project Manager agreed, and stated that it would have to be a fancy, fashion, powerful, easy to use remote control. Industrial Designer said the remote control needed to be cheap. Project Manager agreed and suggested that was User Interface's job. Industrial Designer mentioned thoughts to connect the TV to the internet. Industrial Designer said it was a problem in designing a remote control for global usage if people didn't have the required technology.", "title": "Designing the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 15 ], 23, [ 27, 48 ], [ 254, 275 ], [ 284, 318 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discussion , product requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager announced the new requirements for the remote control, such as internet instead of teletext, to be only used for television, and that the colour and the slogan should be recognizable in the product. Project Manager also stated it would have to be a fancy, fashion, powerful, easy to use remote control. Marketing proposed the product to be yellow. Industrial Designer said it needed to be cheap, and mentioned thoughts to connect the TV to the internet.", "title": "Designing the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 9 ], 13, 15, 23, 27, 31, [ 33, 35 ], 37, 41, 43, 45, 48, 254, 258, 262, 266, [ 268, 270 ], [ 272, 275 ], 284, [ 286, 289 ], 291, [ 293, 295 ], 298, 300, 302, 305, [ 309, 310 ], 312, [ 314, 315 ], [ 317, 318 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "recommendation , product requirements", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface recommended designing an elegant, easy to use remote control, with powerful and sophisticated functionality, and said that with a very good interface, it would take less time to learn how to use it. Industrial Designer recommended having international standards, and suggested the remote to be cheap, User Interface agreed. Industrial Designer wanted to connect the TV to the internet, User Interface suggested the set box in the TV to do so.", "title": "Elegant, Functional Remote with International Standards", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ], [ 27, 36 ], [ 289, 295 ], [ 302, 314 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "recommendation , product requirements", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "User Interface; design elegant, easy to use interface, it take less time for user to learn how to use it; Industrial Designer; have some international standards; connect the TV to internet, surf the web. So with the set box you can connect internet with your TV. It's not so popular now, so that's the problem; the global usage; so if people don't have the technology.", "title": "Elegant, Functional Remote with International Standards", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 6 ], 23, [ 27, 45 ], [ 289, 295 ], [ 302, 305 ], [ 309, 314 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discussion , Internet connection", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager stated there was a new requirement that the remote control be designed to work with the internet instead of teletext, because now everybody has internet at home, so the requirement to use internet would have to be considered in the design of the remote. There was a box in the TV that connect to the internet. User Interface suggested the technology to connect TVs to the internet is not popular internationally. That was a problem.", "title": "Global Internet TV Connectivity Popularity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 254, 260 ], [ 295, 305 ], [ 309, 314 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "discussion , Internet connection", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; everybody has internet at home, it's better to use internet then teletext; lame; connect to internet; Marketing; I don't think it's part of the remote control design; more in browsing; surf the web; User Interface; with the set box you can connect internet with your TV; not so popular; problem.", "title": "Global Internet TV Connectivity Popularity", "relevant_turns": [ [ 254, 260 ], [ 295, 305 ], [ 309, 314 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Okay , so . The first I will present the technical function design for user interface for our uh remote T_V_ control .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Uh I I will focus on user interface design .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Um so move to the next slide . As we know our remote c rem remote T_V_ control it's very {disfmarker} has very soph sophisticated functions , as we show from this picture . There's a lot of functions . Over , I think over s twelve or twenty s functions of a remote T_V_ control . So how can we um design a user interface with so sa with so many sophisticated functions ? Um , let's move to next slide . Um . Yeah . So I {disfmarker} so we want to design uh elegant , easy to use inter interface . A very good example is Google . As we know uh Google it's a very successful because his um powerful function , but with very easy to use user interface . Um so move to next s slide .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : So my job is to uh design a Google T_V_ controller {vocalsound} which I want to have sophisticated functions while with very easy to use user interface . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That's the end of the talk {vocalsound} the end of the presentation .", "Project Manager : So you propose to to have the remote control which will be powerful .", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker} With sophisticated functions ,", "Project Manager : So powerful ,", "User Interface : but with very {disfmarker} yeah powerful .", "Project Manager : many functions and very easy to use .", "User Interface : Yes . Yep .", "Marketing : So , I dunno , it's maybe difficult to have both ,", "Industrial Designer : To merge the two system huh .", "Marketing : I mean the the one on the right doesn't look so simple", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You mean this one ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah you have to learn the manual before using this remote control , I suppose .", "Industrial Designer : Mm yep .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : But But this is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But if we have very very good user interface", "Marketing : Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : and then {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it take less time for user to learn how to use it .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah you {disfmarker} maybe you have some international standards , where you know , if you can use one is the other are {disfmarker} or almost the same , so the sign .", "Project Manager : Oh you mean for the yeah pic pictograms or things like that ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah . For example , I dunno here , escape , you know , you have escape in computers you have , so if you see escape , you know that it should be the same .", "Marketing : Oh it should {disfmarker} okay , yeah . The user should know .", "Industrial Designer : So you have to {disfmarker} The sh the user there {disfmarker} for example the power off button it is something very international , you know that {disfmarker} So .", "Project Manager : Yeah um such as maybe the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . So .", "Project Manager : Go on , go back and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but the question is how to merge you know the Google system to the system , alright .", "Marketing : Yeah , that's gonna be the trick . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah , that's my job . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's your job {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That's my job . It's not the easiest I've got to .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It you {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So , you will propose us something which is yeah so powerful and easy to use .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Powerful and easy to use .", "Marketing : So that's the point .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's the point .", "Project Manager : So , I had some new information about the product requirements , so you will have to take care of it of it in your thinking , in your designing of the remote control . So the first one is that um for the designing of the remote control we don't really want to use the teletext anymore , as it's something that's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : It's is uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Lame , or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : No yeah , because now everybody has internet at home , so it's better to use internet then teletext .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Project Manager : So , you will have to think about it in your in in the design of your remote control ,", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : and also the remote control will only be used for television , so for y for you your designing , you're not {disfmarker} you won't be uh {disfmarker} you won't had {vocalsound} um buttons to just to manipulate {disfmarker} yeah to control the recorder or maybe the garage door or things like that .", "User Interface : Control . Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm", "Project Manager : because if we want to to do remote control", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : which will be used for for the television , for the recorder , for the camcorder and all the others , it will become too complex and it will increase the pli the price and we can't do that . We really want to focus on the remote control for the television . Is it okay ?", "User Interface : Okay . But there's balance between function and the cost .", "Project Manager : So maybe it will be easier for you to to design it , to have very powerful and easy .", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay .", "Project Manager : And also we want the image of the uh um real reaction be recognisable in the product , such as the colour and s the slogan .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I mean that's uh if uh you want to buy a remote control and if you go in a shop and if you see the remote control you will recognise directly that s it's our product .", "User Interface : Mm-hm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So you will have to use the colour of the product , of the um um", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : of the uh of real reaction", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So .", "Project Manager : and uh also {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So has to be yellow .", "Industrial Designer : Yellow .", "Project Manager : Yeah . As we say , we put the fashion in electronics , so it has to be a fashion remote control . Fancy , fashion , powerful , easy to use .", "User Interface : Okay . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Require lot of requirements ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} For cheap {vocalsound} remote control , yeah .", "Project Manager : but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . And cheap .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : A low cost .", "Project Manager : Yeah . But uh that's your your job to find something mm matches .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} . Yeah , 'cause what I'm thinking is how will you will connect the T_V_ to internet , so .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : This is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I don't think it's part of the remote control design anyway .", "Project Manager : Maybe not ,", "Marketing : It's maybe more in browsing .", "Project Manager : but mayb", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but this this mean that your T_V_ would be able to , you know , connect to internet , you know , surf the web .", "User Interface : Yeah , there's that box in uh o of it .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : A pi There's that box in the T_V_ , so with the set box you you can connect internet with your T_V_ .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Ok", "Marketing : Hm-mm .", "User Interface : It's It's not so uh popular now . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It's pop I don't think it's popular , so that's the problem so . You had i if you are designing a remote control for you know", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : the global usage ,", "User Interface : Global ,", "Industrial Designer : so if people don't have the technology .", "User Interface : okay .", "Project Manager : So .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So everybody is okay with the new requirements ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 7, "turns": [ 131, 197 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that a remote had batteries depending on the size of it, later Marketing and Project Manager discussed the front of the remote. Industrial Designer said that they needed to stare at the bulb to see if the battery was dying. Then, Marketing said that they should choose atypical buttons, maybe bigger and round like bubbles.", "title": "Team Talking About the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 18 ], [ 26, 30 ], [ 34, 39 ], [ 62, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; remote has; two double As or four triple As, sometimes three; depends; size; Marketing; what; we are looking at, is; the front of the remote?; Project Manager; the red would; front of the remote?; Industrial Designer; when the battery starts dying; your remote currently; you have to actually stare at that bulb; is it working?; Marketing; I think we should; go with buttons; don't look; normal remote; we should do; bigger; round; bubbles.", "title": "Team Discussing About the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 18 ], [ 26, 30 ], [ 34, 39 ], [ 62, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "older generation", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that a large on-off button could probably be good because demographically they were moving towards an older generation of people.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About the Older Generation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "older generation", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said a large on-off button would be good for the older generation.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About the Older Generation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 24 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : 'Kay . Uh I didn't get a chance to complete this one , 'cause some of the tools that I was given were frustrating .", "Project Manager : Oh my bad . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh that's fine .", "Industrial Designer : Uh okay , so method method of our design , I think I just start listing th some of the things that we actually need to put into this .", "User Interface : Help me .", "Industrial Designer : We need a power source , we're gonna need a smart chip if we're gonna make it multi-functional . Um extra functions will probably need an additional chip . Either that or the smart chip will have to be extremely smart .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What exactly is a smart chip ?", "Industrial Designer : Usually a smart chip is just a chip that's been programmed and designed so that it can complete a fair range of functions .", "User Interface : Well , how much extra would the additional chip be ? Is that gonna push us over our production costs ?", "Industrial Designer : I wouldn't think so , 'cause we could probably get it from like , in bulk , from a a newer company . And they tend to sell their chips pretty cheap .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay . Ready ?", "Industrial Designer : Um yep , nothing here .", "Project Manager : That's okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Um power source , I figured , batteries , 'cause they're easily available . Typically a remote has either two double A_s or four triple A_s , sometimes three . Uh it really kinda depends on the size of the actual remote itself .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Um a large on-off button , {vocalsound} demographically we're moving towards an older generation of people , so a large on-off button would probably be good .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap}", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Selection button for various entertainment devices , so you want something that will permit you to select the D_V_D_ player or the T_V_ or the stereo system . Um smart chip that perverts {disfmarker} uh that permits , sorry , universal application again , something that'll allow us to skip over between devices , and that's kinda it .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Uh this is my fifty second design .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Power source over here . We're gonna have a switch obviously between the power source and the rest of it , and you're gonna need the switch . Um extra bulb could just be for flashiness , um subcomponent which would be like a way of diverting the power to different parts of the the device . Um the chip and of course the infra-red bulb , so it can communicate with the various devices that it needs to talk to .", "Marketing : So what exactly we are looking at , is this like the front of the remote ?", "Industrial Designer : This is just like a rough schematic .", "Project Manager : So this would be the front ?", "Industrial Designer : So this is the internal workings .", "Project Manager : So the red would be the front of the remote though , right ?", "Marketing : Oh okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's gonna be what's communicating with the T_V_ , but the other bulb , I think , is good to just to indicate , I'm doing something , it's sort of like a reassurance .", "Project Manager : The l {vocalsound} the light up kind of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , so you don't have to stare at that infra-red ,", "Marketing : Like that we know the battery's working .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : 'cause you know when the battery starts dying in your remote currently , you have to actually stare at that bulb and go , okay , when I push this button , is it working ?", "Project Manager : Hmm . It'd probably be lighting up the key too ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : We can skip that whole thing .", "Project Manager : right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So you can put it in the dark . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The buttons .", "Marketing : Yeah , and that's good .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : We should make it glow in the dark . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , definitely . 'Kay nex R Ready ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's it .", "Project Manager : 'Kay , any p 'Kay ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm 'kay .", "Project Manager : Anything you wanna add for personal preferences though , you f you said already that we needed a large on-off button , you think . Anything else ?", "Industrial Designer : I think that that's a good idea , because you know that's one of the most important buttons .", "User Interface : Just {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Well , should it be larger buttons in general , you know like uh the examples that I had , they were swi quite small . So should we try and go for something that has l larger buttons ?", "Marketing : I think we should . Like I think that would be in a as in {disfmarker} like in {disfmarker} for the design , sorry , um . I think we should definitely go with buttons that don't look like a normal remote , 'cause most remotes have small square buttons ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : I think we should do something like maybe bigger and round like bubbles .", "User Interface : Ovals . Yeah , yeah ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 28, "turns": [ 23, 262 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "price , prototype , same-shaped phone", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface mentioned the price of some same-shaped phones, as the banana prototype that was proposed, that saw and agreed that 25 euros could be quite attractive.", "title": "User Interface's Thoughts About Price", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 7, 9, 219, 225, 222, 227, [ 229, 230 ], 232 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "price , prototype , same-shaped phone", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Once User Interface knew that one of the aspects of the prototype was to have a yellow banana shaped case, User Interface said that saw some same-shaped phones, wireless phones for the house, that were selling between 100 and 200 euros, then agreed that 25 euros could be an attractive price.", "title": "User Interface's Contribution to the Price", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 7, 9, 219, 225, 222, 227, [ 229, 230 ], 232 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : d let's start with the cost aspect so so I look at the aspect discussed last time , that is to say uh to have a standard battery , {vocalsound} to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around it", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : to be uh to feel spongy ,", "User Interface : Like a banana .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} and uh also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And the cost ended to be ten point seven Euros . So which is uh good , because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So for the financial aspect it's okay , we can uh {disfmarker} we can continue with this product uh as if ,", "Marketing : We have a good price and uh {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So this prototype is quite nice . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Good .", "User Interface : Because I saw uh some phones that were banana shaped , uh wireless phones not mobile ones , wireless for the house ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "User Interface : uh quite big also ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : and they were selling {gap} something like a hundred Euros , two hundred Euros .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Just a {vocalsound} just a phone , wireless .", "Project Manager : So having this at twenty five Euros is uh quite attractive , I think .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But almo also the complexity between a phone and a remote control is not {disfmarker} cannot compare .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : it's much more complex , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So , I think , we can summarise . So we have seen the prototype . It's very nice according to the work of our two designer .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 72, "turns": [ 0, 76 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project logistics", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor B said they had a meeting with Hynek where Sunil and Stephane summarized where the place they were going to go and where they were, and it happened sort of mid-week. PhD D said their code was updated yesterday and Professor B asked what the update was. PhD A mentioned some of the features in the new update. PhD E asked if the CVS mechanism was working well. PhD A said it was working well. PhD E also asked if people were up at OGI grabbing code via the CVS mechanism. 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PhD E asked if anyone had tried remotely accessing the CVS, PhD A was not sure if Hari had done that. PhD A talked of having logged in and tried to import and it worked but at the moment it was the mechanism with SSH, but PhD A spoke about the security problem.", "title": "Accessing CVS Server", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 20 ], [ 34, 41 ], [ 52, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "CVS , security", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD A; It's like well uh, the main server or You can do a CVS server. PhD E; Yeah. Right. Then that's using the CVS password mechanism and all that, PhD A; But I didn't do that because I was not sure about security problems. PhD E; Cuz there is a way to set up anonymous CVS, right? PhD A; Yeah, in this way have to set up a CVS server but then, you can access it. PhD E; OK. Because a lot of the open-source stuff works with anonymous CVS and I'm just wondering, I mean, for our transcripts we may want to do that.", "title": "Accessing CVS Server", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 20 ], [ 34, 41 ], [ 52, 69 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : OK , so {pause} We {disfmarker} we had a meeting with , uh {disfmarker} with Hynek , um , in {disfmarker} in which , uh , uh , Sunil and Stephane , uh {vocalsound} summarized where they were and {disfmarker} and , uh , talked about where we were gonna go . So that {disfmarker} that happened sort of mid - week . Uh .", "PhD E : D did {disfmarker} did you guys get your code pushed together ?", "PhD D : Oh , yeah . Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it was updated yesterday ,", "PhD E : Cool .", "PhD D : right ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : You probably received the mail .", "PhD E : Oh , right , I saw {disfmarker} I saw the note .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : What was the update ?", "PhD A : What was the update ? So there is th then {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} all the new features that go in .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech after suppression . These are the {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Is the , um {disfmarker} the CVS mechanism working {pause} well ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD E : Are {disfmarker} are people , uh , up at OGI grabbing code uh , via that ?", "PhD D : Uh , I don't think {disfmarker} I don't think {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD A : I don't know if they use it , but .", "PhD D : Yeah , I I don't think anybody up there is like {pause} working on it right now .", "PhD E : Uh - huh . Mmm .", "Professor B : I think it more likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there {vocalsound} he will grab it .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah . So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : They 're {disfmarker} Yeah . They 're working on a different task .", "PhD E : I see . I see .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : But what 'll happen is {disfmarker} is he 'll go back up there and , uh , Pratibha will come back from {disfmarker} from , uh , the east coast . Uh .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : And , uh {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too . So , actually everybody {vocalsound} who 's working on it {comment} will be up there for at least a little while . So they 'll remotely access it {vocalsound} from there .", "PhD E : So has {disfmarker} Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : Um , I don't know if Hari did that or {disfmarker} You d", "PhD D : I {comment} can actually do it today . I mean , I can just log into {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Have you tried it yet ?", "PhD D : No , I didn't . So I I 'll try it today .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor B : Good idea .", "PhD A : Actually I {disfmarker} I tried wh while {disfmarker} when I installed the {pause} repository , I tried from Belgium .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : I logged in there and I tried {pause} to import {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah ? It worked good ?", "PhD A : Yeah , it works .", "PhD E : Oh , good !", "PhD A : But it 's {disfmarker} So , right now it 's the mechanism with SSH .", "PhD D : Oh .", "PhD E : Great !", "PhD A : I don't {pause} s I didn't set up {disfmarker} You can also set up a CVS server {pause} on a new port . It 's like well {pause} uh , a main server , or d You can do a CVS server .", "PhD E : Yeah . Right . Then that 's using the CVS password mechanism and all that ,", "PhD A : But . Yeah , right .", "PhD E : right ?", "PhD A : But I didn't do that because I was not sure about {pause} security problems . I {disfmarker} I would have to {disfmarker}", "PhD E : So w when you came in from Belgian {disfmarker} {comment} Belgium , using SSH , uh , was it asking you for your own {pause} password into ICSI ? So if yo you can only do that if you have an account at ICSI ?", "PhD A : Right . Yeah .", "PhD E : OK .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD E : Cuz there is an {disfmarker} a way to set up anonymous CVS right ?", "PhD A : Yeah , you ha in this way you ca you have to set up a CVS server but then , yeah , you can access it .", "PhD E : So that {disfmarker} Oh , OK .", "PhD A : you {disfmarker} you can set up priorities .", "PhD E : So the anonymous mechanism {disfmarker}", "PhD A : You can access them and mostly if you {disfmarker} if y the set the server is set up like this .", "PhD E : OK . Because a lot of the open source stuff works with anonymous CVS and I 'm just wondering {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , for our transcripts we may want to do that .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : Uh .", "Professor B : Yeah , for this stuff I don't think we 're {pause} quite up to that . I mean , we 're still so much in development .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm . Yeah ,", "Professor B : We want to have just the insiders .", "PhD E : yeah , yeah . Oh , I wasn't suggesting for this . I 'm {pause} thinking of the Meeting Recorder {comment} stuff", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : but . Yeah . OK . Cool ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 154, 289 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "EML talk", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad C said that it was going to present a little talk at EML, the subject was about what they did there. It would start with the most relevant aspects of the stay here, and use a hypothetical situation to explain it. It would talk about problems with rephrasing and solutions. It was going to mention some observations, and then maybe talk about the big picture. It plans to speak about the NFL story, and about the embodied and simulation approach, as a prelude. Another plan was going to talk about monkeys in Italy.", "title": "Grad C Talking about NFL Talk", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], 39 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "EML talk", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad C said that it was going to present a little talk at EML, the subject was about what they did there. It would start with a slide of the most relevant aspects of the stay here, and use a hypothetical situation to explain it, asking people to imagine that they were standing in Heidelberg, basically, it could make a point that there was ontological knowledge. It would talk about problems with rephrasing and solutions. It was going to mention some observations, and then maybe talk about the big picture. It plans to speak about the NFL story, and about the embodied and simulation approach, as a prelude. Another plan was going to talk about monkeys in Italy.", "title": "Grad C Talking about NFL Talk", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], 39 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "talk , neurons", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad C asked if it forgot something to mention, and if was going to mention that they would start looking at brains directly. Professor E answered that the time to mention was when they talk about mirror neurons and that there was a language learning story.", "title": "Grad C and Professor E Talking about Neurons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 47, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "talk , neurons", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad C; End of story; Anything I forgot that we should mention; start to look at people's brains in a more direct way? Professor E; the time to mention it; when you talk about mirror neurons; talk about the more recent stuff, about the kicking; the plan is; get the same phenomena with stories about this; we're planning to do this; whole language learning story.", "title": "Grad C and Professor E Talking about Neurons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 47, 58 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discotheque", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C in the EML talk was going to make the people think about a hypothetical situation about them being in Heidelberg, while someone ask them in the morning where was a well-known discotheque that was not open in the morning. The point was that there was ontological knowledge.", "title": "Grad C Talking about Discotheque", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "discotheque", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C in the EML talk was going to make the people think about a hypothetical situation about them being in Heidelberg, while someone ask them in the morning where was a well-known discotheque that was not open in the morning. The point was that there was ontological knowledge, but if it was nine PM, then the discotheque question would be one that might ask for directions, instead of location.", "title": "Grad C Talking about Discotheque", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "domes", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C said that the offices were little, with ramps coming out of the double helix, and with glass half-domes. The offices were there.", "title": "Grad C Talking about Domes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 122, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "domes", "speaker": "Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C; offices; ramps; coming out; double helix; half-glass dome.", "title": "Grad C Talking about Domes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 122, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "dna building", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C said EML was building a thing in Leipzig, Professor E said that it was the DNA building, or the double helix building, and that with money they could do weird things.", "title": "Grad C and Professor E Talking about the DNA Building", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 107 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "dna building", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Grad C said EML building huge in Leipzig, Professor E said it was the DNA building.", "title": "Grad C and Professor E Talking about the DNA Building", "relevant_turns": [ [ 88, 107 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad C : The twenty - ninth .", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad C : That 's when I 'm meeting with Wolfgang Wahlster to sell him this idea .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm . OK .", "Grad C : OK ? Then I 'm also going to present a little talk at EML , about what we have done here and so of course , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm gonna start out with this slide , so the most relevant aspects of our stay here , and um , then I 'm asking them to imagine that they 're standing somewhere in Heidelberg and someone asks them in the morning {disfmarker} The Cave Forty - Five is a {disfmarker} is a well - known discotheque which is certainly not open at that {disfmarker} that time . And so", "Grad F : OK .", "Grad C : they 're supposed to imagine that , you know , do they think the person wants to go there , or just know where it is ? Uh , which is probably not , uh , the case in that discotheque example , or in the Bavaria example , you just want to know where it is . And so forth . So basically we can make a point that here is ontological knowledge but if it 's nine {disfmarker} nine PM in the evening then the discotheque question would be , for example , one that might ask for directions instead of just location . Um , {vocalsound} and so forth and so forth . That 's sort of motivating it . Then what have we done so far ? We had our little bit of , um , um , SmartKom stuff , that we did , um , everth", "Grad F : Oh , you 've got the parser done . Sorry .", "Grad C : That 's the {disfmarker} not the construction parser . That 's the , uh , tablet - based parser ,", "Grad F : OK .", "Grad A : Easy parser .", "Grad F : OK .", "Grad C : and the generation outputter .", "Grad D : Halfway done ? Yeah .", "Grad C : That 's done .", "Grad A : Mmm .", "Grad C : You have to change those strategies ,", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad C : right ? That 's , ten words ?", "Grad D : Yeah . Well , i it , you know . Maybe twelve .", "Grad C : Twelve ? OK . And , um , and Fey is doing the synthesis stuff as we speak . That 's all about that . Then I 'm going to talk about the data , you know these things about {disfmarker} uh , actually I have an example , probably . Two s Can you hear that ? Or should I turn the l volume on .", "Grad F : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : I could hear it .", "Grad D : I I can hear it .", "Grad F : I heard it .", "Grad D : They might not hear it in the {disfmarker} well maybe they will . I don't know .", "Grad A : This was an actual , um , subject ? Ah .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : Sounds like Fey .", "Grad A : Yeah .", "Grad C : But they 're {disfmarker} they 're mimicking the synthesis when they speak to the computer ,", "Grad F : Oh , OK .", "Grad C : the {disfmarker} you can observe that all the time , they 're trying to match their prosody onto the machine .", "Grad F : Oh really . Interesting . Oh , it 's pretty slow .", "Grad C : Yeah , you have to {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Wh", "Grad F : The system breaking .", "Grad A : What is the s ? Oh !", "Grad C : OK . And so forth and so forth . Um , I will talk about our problems with the rephrasing , and how we solved it , and some preliminary observations , also , um , I 'm not gonna put in the figures from Liz , but I thought it would interesting to , uh , um , point out that it 's basically the same . Um , as in every human - human telephone conversation , and the human - computer telephone conversation is of course quite d quite different from , uh , some first , uh , observations . Then sort of feed you back to our original problem cuz , uh {disfmarker} how to get there , what actually is happening there today , and then maybe talk about the big picture here , e tell a little bit {disfmarker} as much as I {pause} can about the NTL story . I {disfmarker} I wa I do wanna , um {disfmarker} I 'm not quite sure about this , whether I should put this in , um , that , you know , you have these two sort of different ideas that are {disfmarker} or two different camps of people envisioning how language understanding works , and then , {vocalsound} talk a bit about the embodied and simulation approach favored here and as a prelude , I 'll talk about monkeys in Italy . And , um , Srini was gonna send me some slides but he didn't do it , so from {disfmarker} but I have the paper , I can make a resume of that , and then I stole an X - schema from one of your talks I think .", "Grad A : Oh . I was like , \" where 'd you get that ? \" OK .", "Grad F : Yeah , that looks familiar .", "Grad A : \" Looks familiar . \"", "Grad C : I think that 's Bergen , Chang , something , or the other .", "Grad A : Uh .", "Professor E : Whatever .", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad C : Um , and that 's {disfmarker} now I 'm not going to bring that . So that 's basically what I have , so far , and the rest is for airplanes . So X - schemas , then , I would like to do {disfmarker} talk about the construction aspect and then at the end about our Bayes - net .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : End of story . Anything I forgot that we should mention ? Oh , maybe the FMRI stuff . Should I mention the fact that , um , we 're also actually started {disfmarker} going to start to look at people 's brains in a more direct way ?", "Professor E : You certainly can . I mean I y I you know , I don't know {disfmarker}", "Grad A : You might just wanna like , tack that on , as a comment , to something .", "Professor E : Right , um .", "Grad C : \" Future activities \" something .", "Professor E : Well , the time to mention it , if you mention it , is when you talk about mirror neurons , then you should talk about the more recent stuff , about the kicking", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : and , you know , the {disfmarker} yeah , yeah {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} that the plan is to see to what extent the {disfmarker} you 'll get the same phenomena with stories about this , so that {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : and that we 're planning to do this , um , which , we are . So that 's one thing . Um . Depends . I mean , there is a , um , whole language learning story , OK ?", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : which , uh , actually , i i even on your five - layer slide , you {disfmarker} you 've got an old one that {disfmarker} that leaves that off .", "Grad C : Yeah , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I do have it here .", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : Um . And , of course , you know , the {disfmarker} the big picture is this bit .", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad C : But , you know , it would {disfmarker} But I don't think I {disfmarker} I am capable of {disfmarker} of do pulling this off and doing justice to the matter . I mean , there is interesting stuff in her terms of how language works , so the emergentism story would be nice to be {disfmarker} you know , it would be nice to tell people how {disfmarker} what 's happening there , plus how the , uh , language learning stuff works ,", "Professor E : OK , so , so anyway , I {disfmarker} I agree that 's not central .", "Grad C : but {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : What you might wanna do is , um , and may not , but you might wanna {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} rip off a bunch of the slides on the anal there {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} we 've got various i generations of slides that show language analysis , and matching to the underlying image schemas , and , um , how the construction and simulation {disfmarker} that ho that whole th", "Grad C : Yeah , th that {disfmarker} that 's c that comes up to the X - schema slide ,", "Grad A : OK , right .", "Grad C : so basically I 'm gonna steal that from Nancy ,", "Grad A : OK , I can give you a more recent {disfmarker} if you want {disfmarker}", "Grad C : one of Nancy 's st", "Grad A : well , that might have enough .", "Grad C : Uh , I {disfmarker} yeah , but I also have stuff you {disfmarker} trash you left over ,", "Professor E : OK .", "Grad C : your quals and your triple - AI .", "Professor E : The quals w the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the quals slides would be fine .", "Grad A : Yeah .", "Professor E : You could get it out of there , or some", "Grad A : Which I can even email you then , you know , like there probably was a little {disfmarker} few changes , not a big deal . Yeah , you could steal anything you want , I don't care . Which you 've already done , obviously . So . Sorry", "Grad C : Well , I {disfmarker} I don't feel bad about it at all", "Grad A : No , you shouldn't .", "Grad C : because {disfmarker} because you are on the , uh , title .", "Grad A : Oh , that 's great , that 's great .", "Grad C : I mean on the {disfmarker} the , you 're {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} see , that 's you .", "Grad A : I 'm glad to see propagation .", "Professor E : Yeah . Yeah .", "Grad A : Mmm .", "Grad C : Hmm ? Propagated ?", "Grad A : Yes .", "Grad C : I mean I might even mention that this work you 're doing is sort of also with the MPI in Leipzig , so .", "Grad A : It 's {disfmarker} it 's certainly related , um ,", "Grad C : Because , um , EML is building up a huge thing in Leipzig .", "Grad A : might wanna say . Is it ?", "Grad C : So it {disfmarker} It 's on biocomputation . Would {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah , it 's different , this is the , uh , DNA building , or someth the double helix building .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad A : Kind of a different level of analysis .", "Professor E : The {disfmarker} yeah it was {disfmarker} it turns out that if {disfmarker} if you have multiple billions of dollars , y you can do all sorts of weird things , and {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Wait , they 're building a building in the shape of DNA ,", "Grad A : What ?", "Grad D : is that what you said ?", "Professor E : Roughly , yeah .", "Grad F : Oh ! Oh boy !", "Grad A : O", "Professor E : Including cr cross - bridges ,", "Grad A : What ?", "Professor E : and", "Grad A : Oh my god !", "Grad F : That 's brilliant ! Hhh .", "Professor E : You d you really {disfmarker} now I I spent {disfmarker} the last time I was there I spent maybe two hours hearing this story which is , um {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Of what", "Grad D : Y You definitely wanna w don't wanna waste that money on research ,", "Grad A : the building ?", "Grad D : you know ?", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad D : That 's horrible .", "Professor E : Right . Well , no , no , y i there 's infinite money . See you th you th you then fill it with researchers .", "Grad A : And give them more money . They just want a fun place for them to {disfmarker} to work .", "Professor E : Right . Right .", "Grad F : And everybody gets a trampoline in their office .", "Grad C : Well , the {disfmarker} the offices are actually a little {disfmarker} the , think of um , ramps , coming out of the double helix and then you have these half - domes , glass half - domes , and the offices are in {disfmarker} in the glass half - dome .", "Grad A : Really ?", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Alright , let 's stop talking about this .", "Grad A : Does it exist yet ?", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad A : They are w now building it ?", "Grad C : Uh , as a model .", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad C : But I th" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 106, 132 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "unintended consequences", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that a criminal conviction in Whales was different from that in England, and that would impact their life prospects. Sian Gwenllian AM asked if that could be an isolated incident and Barry Hughes answered that yes. Then Sian Gwenllian AM asked another question, about another kind of unintended consequence, and gave a hypothetical situation about some people using the criminal justice system for reaching some target of performance, even if it's contrary to the child's interests. Barry Hughes answered that it was extremely unlikely because in the CPS they didn't have targets for convictions. Sian Gwenllian AM asked about a target for unsolved crimes or offenses, and if they were unintended consequences. Barry Hughes said that he doesn't have great knowledge about it. After that Sian Gwenllian AM asked about the risk of malicious reporting against parents involved in private family law cases, and if it could create unintended consequences if they introduce that law and Barry Hughes said that no.", "title": "Sian Gwenllian AM and Barry Hughes Talking about Unintended Consequences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "unintended consequences", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes started saying that if somebody in Whales was convicted for something like assaulting their child, it would have a criminal conviction that they wouldn't have in England, and that impact their life prospects, but with an element of choice down the road. Sian Gwenllian AM asked if that could be an isolated incident and Barry Hughes answered that yes, it truly believes, the CPS survey across England and Wales, reviewed in 2007, over two years, found only 12 cases, and showed that numbers of cases like that one were very small. Then Sian Gwenllian AM asked another question, about another kind of unintended consequence, and gave a hypothetical situation about some people using the criminal justice system for reaching some target of performance, even if it's contrary to the child's interests. Barry Hughes answered that it was extremely unlikely because in the CPS they didn't have targets for convictions. Sian Gwenllian AM asked about a target for unsolved crimes or offenses, and if they were unintended consequences. Barry Hughes said that it doesn't have great knowledge about it, and said that some individual constabularies may still have targets, but as far as they know, there weren't a suite of national measures and that the police could be more sensible than 20 years ago, so they wouldn't care. After that Sian Gwenllian AM asked about the risk of malicious reporting against parents involved in private family law cases, and if it could create unintended consequences if they introduce that law and Barry Hughes said that no, that they had a pretty helpful canter through most of the circumstances that might happen.", "title": "Sian Gwenllian AM and Barry Hughes Talking about Unintended Consequences", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "performance measure , target", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes answered the question about it saying that it was extremely unlikely because in the CPS they didn't have targets for securing convictions, when they prosecute was because there was a reasonable and realistic prospect. It would say that because the numbers were very small, looking for targets would be like a tiny fragment of a drop in the ocean. Also, it said that some individual constabularies may still have targets, but isn't national.", "title": "Barry Hughes Thoughts about Targets Regarding Performance Measures", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "performance measure , target", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes; extremely unlikely. In the CPS; don't have targets for securing convictions or not; prosecute; reasonable prospect; because the numbers here are likely to be so small, any assertion of looking to meet targets\u2014tiny fragment of a drop in the ocean; a series of targets for the police; called a sanction detection; disappeared years ago; in my experience; police; more sensible these days than they may have been 20 years ago; less of an issue.", "title": "Barry Hughes Thoughts about Targets Regarding Performance Measures", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "registered intermediaries , shortage", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes got asked if that was a barrier to implementing the proposed law, and answered that it was a potential barrier but not an actual barrier, because in whales there was a shortage too, and the ministry of justice took action to deal with that.", "title": "Barry Hughes Answer about the Shortage of Registered Intermediaries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "registered intermediaries , shortage", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes; potential barrier but they didn't think it's a barrier; shortage of registered intermediaries in Wales; Ministry of Justice; deal with that.", "title": "Barry Hughes Answer about the Shortage of Registered Intermediaries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 25 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. We've got some questions now on the unintended consequences from Si\u00e2n Gwenllian.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Yes, we've discussed some of these already, but, for example, under the new law, or the proposed law, would one unintended consequence be that, if someone living in Wales who can't use the reasonable punishment defence\u2014would their life prospects be different compared to those people in England, who will be able to use that defence? I think you've mentioned that in your written evidence.", "Barry Hughes : Yes. Okay. A simple answer: if somebody in Wales is convicted\u2014so, if it goes towards the end of the spectrum that is serious, which results in a prosecution\u2014. It may be\u2014the sort of circumstance I can see happening here is somebody who takes a principled stand and declines any form of out-of-court disposal and says, 'Prosecute me'. We probably would end up prosecuting, because it's a relatively serious offence. So, let's say it comes to court and let's say they end up being convicted of assaulting their child\u2014in circumstances that would not have happened in England\u2014then they would have a criminal conviction they wouldn't have in England, and that, inevitably, has an impact upon their life prospects. But I think, along the road there, there would have been an element of choice.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. And do you think that that would be an isolated incident?", "Barry Hughes : Yes, truly, I believe, an isolated incident. I've said before that I would be very surprised if we even had referrals that reached double figures on these cases. They're likely to be very limited. When the CPS was asked to conduct a survey across all of England and Wales\u2014this was the review in 2007\u2014it spanned just over a two-year period, and there were 12 cases that were brought up at that stage. Now, I have to say, I don't think that's entirely reliable, but it is indicative. We had a Freedom of Information Act request at one stage, which threw up something like three cases in a year. So, if you think about that as being all of England and Wales\u2014and we make up about 5 per cent of the volume of criminal prosecutions nationally\u2014you can see why I might say the numbers are likely to be small, for the reasons we've explored about getting past the evidential stage into the public interest.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Thank you for that. In terms of thinking about another kind of unintended consequence, in terms of managing performance and all of the targets that the police need to reach, are we perhaps going to see some people going through the criminal justice system in an inappropriate way and contrary to the interests of the child, because we need to reach some target in terms of performance measures?", "Barry Hughes : I have to say I think that extremely unlikely. In the CPS, we don't have targets for securing convictions or not. Clearly, we prosecute if we think that there's a reasonable prospect, a realistic prospect, of conviction and it's in the public interest, but we have no targets. And I would also say, because the numbers here are likely to be so small, any assertion of looking to meet targets\u2014it's a tiny, tiny fragment of a drop in the ocean.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : What about\u2014? There is a target for unsolved crimes, or unsolved offences. What if they fall into that category? Is that an unintended consequence?", "Barry Hughes : I'm talking about something I don't have great knowledge of here. There was, at one stage, a series of targets for the police that bore down upon cases that secure what was called a sanction detection, which counted for Home Office figures. That disappeared some years ago. Some individual constabularies may still have targets, but, as far as I'm aware, we don't have a suite of national measures. The police are required to report against this, but we don't have targets. And, in my experience, the police are much more sensible these days than they may have been 20 years ago, in terms of trying to get cases charged in order to meet some notional target. It's much less of an issue than it ever was\u2014much.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Okay. We've mentioned this, namely the risk of malicious reporting against parents involved in private family law cases. This happens now, of course. Is that going to increase if we change the law?", "Barry Hughes : There is greater potential for it to increase. I think the numbers, again, will be tiny, and dwarfed by the number of cases where we have to deal with the fallout between a relationship breakdown between partners\u2014whether they be living within the same house or living in different houses. Regrettably, there are times when children are used as part of this ongoing dispute. Getting into the subtleties of the father, say, smacking the child in a way that was reasonable chastisement or was not reasonable chastisement is probably part of a much bigger piece here. I can see it potentially arising. It's not something that would cause me concern, simply because we already have a well-developed approach to dealing with the way in which we evaluate the evidence from parties who may well have a particular position that they want to reinforce, sometimes through exaggeration of basic facts and sometimes through fabrication.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Are there any other unintended consequences that come to your mind if we introduce this law?", "Barry Hughes : No, I think we've had a pretty helpful canter through most of the circumstances here that might happen. And I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Finally from me, therefore\u2014another issue, in a way\u2014the European convention on human rights. Would not introducing the new law mean, at some point, that Wales could get itself into difficulty because there is a breach of the human rights convention? And therefore England as well, at some point.", "Barry Hughes : Right. How to approach that one? In the 2007 review to which we've referred already, the Government, the then Government, set out its position that it believes that section 58, in the way that it was drafted, is compliant with the European convention. There are various parties who would disagree with that, but that was the then Government's position. If Wales implements this legislation and it becomes part of the law, then, arguably, Wales would be more in compliance with ECHR than not, and England would be less so. But nonetheless, at present, I haven't seen any demurral from the position that was expressed in 2007, which is that they consider that the position that's been adopted with section 58 is compliant with the legislation. It may well be tested by case law; that's the way it's likely to happen. Some of the changes in this arena were driven by case law\u2014so, that case I referred to, Regina v H, which was heard back in 2001 in the Court of Appeal, was significant in helping shape the direction of travel towards section 58.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : And that case law not necessarily would have to happen within the UK\u2014that case law could come from other countries within the European Union.", "Barry Hughes : It could, but I would be a foolish man if I were to say what impact European jurisprudence might have upon us. [Laughter.]", "Suzy Davies AM : [Inaudible.]\u2014like common law jurisdictions would be.", "Barry Hughes : Yes. At this point in time, that'd be a bit of a punt.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Yes. Okay. Thank you. Janet.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes. Suzy's touched on this mildly, but, in written evidence, you say that you do not consider that the costs of prosecuting cases made possible by the Bill will be of great significance to the Crown Prosecution Service, and you're basing that, from your evidence here today, on the low numbers of prosecutions. So, we've been asked by individuals, and we've had consultation responses from individuals, who've argued that there is no point creating legislation if people are not prosecuted for breaching it. What's your answer to that?", "Barry Hughes : There is a huge body of legislation out there that outlaws certain offences, and I think probably about\u2014. There are over\u2014. From memory\u2014please never hold me to this\u2014but, from memory, there are something like 10,000 criminal offences; we probably prosecute 5 per cent of those in any given year. There are some offences on the statute\u2014. I've been prosecuting for 32 years now; there are some offences that I've never come near and probably never will. But, nonetheless, the fact those offences exist sets out in terms what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. So, we have various defences to do with Acts. I remember seeing some about Antarctic stations and offences that might be committed there. Well, they're not something that we do, but it sets out what's tolerant\u2014what's tolerable, sorry, and what isn't. So, the fact that we might not have many prosecutions is, for me, not a reason not to say that we shouldn't signify that certain behaviour is or is not acceptable. Clearly, we don't wish to criminalise everything\u2014that would be a nonsense\u2014or to attempt to set the boundaries by almost micromanaging what individuals do and don't do. The criminal law provides a general framework within which to operate, which most people tend to understand. So, awareness is important and it comes back to that point.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. And then the explanatory memorandum says there is a shortage of registered intermediaries who assist child witnesses during police interview and when giving evidence in court. Is this a potential barrier to implementing this proposed law, and are there any other potential barriers you want to raise?", "Barry Hughes : No. It's a potential barrier, but I don't think it is a barrier. There was a shortage of registered intermediaries in Wales, and I know that the Ministry of Justice have taken action to deal with that, and we have had a number of people who are now in a position to act as intermediaries. Now, of course, if they were to decide not to do that anymore, we may have a problem, but, in turn, we would be looking to recruit more people into those positions. So, yes, it has the potential to serve as a barrier, but in practice, I don't think it would be a barrier. I think, particularly given the very low numbers we're talking about, we would be able to manage it. I've got no significant concerns, I have to say.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Well, we've come to the end of our time. Can I thank you for attending, the three of you, and for your answers, which have been fascinating and very clear and most helpful to the committee? You will be sent a transcript following the meeting to check for accuracy. Thank you again for your time in coming here today. Diolch yn fawr.", "Barry Hughes : Thank you. It's been a pleasure.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Item 3, then, is papers to note. Paper to note 1 is a letter from me to the Business Committee requesting an extension on the deadline for the Bill, which has now been agreed. Paper to note 2 is a letter from myself to the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services requesting some further information from CAFCASS Cymru on the Bill. Paper to note 3 is a letter from myself to the Minister for Education regarding Diamond reform implementation ahead of our scrutiny session on 4 July. Are Members happy to note those? Item 4, then. Can I propose in accordance with Standing Order 17.42 that the committee resolves to meet in private for the remainder of the meeting? Are Members content? Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 37, "turns": [ 1254, 1400 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digital pen", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the digital pen worked better than the SMARTboard. This was after making several notes just to test it and the pen came onto the screen perfectly adding that it was a better device. 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Marketing added that they worked more as a team.", "title": "Opinions on the Project Process", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "project process", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager; how were did the project process go; Did you, were you all pleased with the process as it was; Industrial Designer; at first I was really stressed because it went a bit fast; But then as I knew the tempo that I had to be on, the second time I think I did a bit better; Marketing; The process the interaction between us became better and better I guess.", "title": "Opinions on the Project Process", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 69 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound} Silly . Yeah . Works pretty well . Five minutes before the meeting's over .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : And then ?", "Project Manager : Then I have to uh uh write this ,", "Marketing : We have to present {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and I don't know if you have to present , because I didn't receive any information about that so far .", "Marketing : Alright .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe we will .", "Project Manager : Maybe we get a a final mail .", "Marketing : So it {disfmarker} after the {disfmarker} after after these five minutes , you have to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah , I have still ten minutes to finish the report .", "Industrial Designer : What's this anyway ?", "User Interface : So cake . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Alright . After after that five minutes , you have ten minutes to finish it , or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It looks like candle wax .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Alright . And we uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And you can uh just uh relax and uh have cup of coffee or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Right . Chill . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : oh no , they don't have beer here so you can't celebrate .", "Marketing : Huh .", "Project Manager : You can just if you ma finish my presentation please . Uh over there .", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker} Yeah ?", "Project Manager : The presentation is still open . So if you finish that then you'll see uh {disfmarker} Yeah next .", "Marketing : Next slide .", "Project Manager : Oh yeah , we have to do the project uh evaluation . Just uh do that quickly .", "Marketing : Yeah ?", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : How do you do it ?", "Project Manager : Uh well basically what that says , we discuss it and um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Alright .", "Project Manager : So how were {disfmarker} did the project process uh go ? Did you , were you all pleased with the process as it was ? Or are there uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Uh th uh do you mean the the interaction between us ? Or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah the interaction and the steps we followed , and and so forth .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah well at first I was really stressed . Because it went a bit fast .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But then as I knew the tempo that I had to be on , the second time I think I did a bit better .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And the third time yeah , I mean {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And we move more to to working together as team ,", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : because at first you you make your individual contribution , and then come here , and you have no idea what the others have to make .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {gap} .", "User Interface : No .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah yeah yeah .", "Marketing : And then finally you have some idea , okay this is gonna w this is what we gonna make together and okay I will arrange this and you will arrange that ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah we {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The process , I mean , the interaction between us became better and better I guess .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . Especially after the first meeting .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , especially if f f if you see {disfmarker} uh you se you saw the largest difference from the first to the second meeting I guess .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Definitely .", "Project Manager : Okay and was that due to my leadership ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah yeah yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well you did become more assertive the the second time round , so that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . You were more in charge kind of thing .", "Project Manager : That okay ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay . Um was there uh enough room for creativity ?", "Industrial Designer : I guess so .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah but only the the financial parts uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I mean {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Li Limiteded afterwards ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : but {disfmarker} If if you don't take that into account , there's plenty of room for creativ creativity .", "Industrial Designer : I", "Marketing : Also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself , but also in explaining it to the other people , by means of uh", "Industrial Designer : We were pretty democratic .", "Marketing : the the board and uh PowerPoint and Word and stuff like that .", "Project Manager : So and the {disfmarker} uh about the board {gap} digital pen ? Uh was that helpful or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Ooh .", "Marketing : Mm uh I think in in essence", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : the digital pen is better than the SMARTboard . Because it it it just works better .", "Project Manager : Yeah it works . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I mean uh uh I've made {disfmarker} yeah , uh I've made several notes just to test it , and and just put the pen in into it , and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : So it it's better a better device than uh", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Maybe {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : than the screen . But the screen is useful , in essence , but it doesn't work that well . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It's uh it's {disfmarker} The the pen is more intuitive , 'cause we're all used to writing with pen .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Use the pen .", "Industrial Designer : And uh as I said , uh I uh have no idea how PowerPoint works , so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal PowerPoint presentation .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But once I get to know the program probably , I mean , it looks better , you know . Or uh something like that . You can give it a kind of a home style , like we have i the the logo and everything .", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker} I don't know .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : Blink . Oh . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Warning . Finish meeting now .", "User Interface : Finish meeting .", "Project Manager : Okay , are are there {vocalsound} any new ideas about this ? All I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well , it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I didn't really receive , yeah .", "Marketing : It's use especially useful , I guess , to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh uh w uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And and", "Project Manager : S sorry uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : the {gap} screen and stuff like that .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : I think the PowerPoint is is too limited . You can't uh draw easy in in PowerPoint . It has to be uh {disfmarker} yeah . The drawing board has to be integrated into PowerPoint , so that you can just easily {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah the the the problem with PowerPoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre-made chunks c as well .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You know , you can draw something on the sketch-board and then take it there , or whatever .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah . But it it's useful to to show something to to an {disfmarker} a small audience , and then to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah just for text , for text it's uh it's okay . But {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . These these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yes . Check your email .", "Project Manager : Uh we should uh enter our questionnaire . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} You also . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Ah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Woah .", "Industrial Designer : Alright .", "Marketing : Right .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Alright .", "Marketing : Yes boss .", "Industrial Designer : Well , s see you in a second huh ? {gap} .", "Project Manager : That's the management . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Well see you soon .", "User Interface : Oh .", "Project Manager : Hope so .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah {vocalsound} we have to pull it this way , huh ? 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Nick Williams said they've been operating like this for almost three years, giving the money back to the secondary schools to give them some extra resources to manage the process in exchange for an action plan on how they're using those funds, though there were still some students who needed additional and personalized support, which unfortunately the school could not provide.", "title": "PRU Support Networks", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ], [ 12, 14 ], 16 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "major challenge , transition , excluded students", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked about transition arrangements, because it's been complicated when a student was in a PRU and then tried to go back to general education. Nick Williams said they support them throughout the process, even when they're back in school, and then gradually taper off support. The most challenging students have been those nearing the end of their statutory education. Sharon Davies said they reached out to the family to see what the student needed to go back to school and provided it as much as possible.", "title": "Difficulties in the Transition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "major challenge , transition , excluded students", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked about transition arrangements, because there have been issues when a student was in a PRU and then tried to go back to general education, some even didn't go back to the school setting. Nick Williams said they had an integration through a part-time back-to-school schedule and continued to support them throughout the process, even when they went back to school, until they gradually tapered off that support. The most challenging students have been those nearing the end of their statutory education, it's been much harder for them to get back into the mainstream when they're 15, 16 or older. Sharon Davies said she has been given a family approach to see what the student needed to go back to school and provided it if possible.", "title": "Difficulties in the Transition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "major challenge , solution , transition , excluded students", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Williams said through the B band, they were building a new PRU provision in Swansea, which would be open in January 2021. They have achieved integration through part-time back-to-school schedule and continued to support them through the process, even when they returned to school until gradually reducing that support, proving to be a very successful procedure. They had a family approach to see what the student needed to go back to school and provided it if possible.", "title": "Reintegration Support", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "major challenge , solution , transition , excluded students", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Nick Williams said they would open a new provision of PRU in January 2021 in Swansea through Band B. They have achieved integration through a part-time back-to-school schedule and continued to support them through the process until they gradually reduced that support, proving to be a very successful procedure. Sharon Davies said they reached out to the family to see what the student needed to go back to school and provided it if possible.", "title": "Reintegration Support", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 8 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you, Chair. What more can be done, and by whom, to support collaborative working between schools,\u00a0PRUs and local authorities to ensure that there is a continuum of provision and support for learners?", "Nick Williams : Well, one of the things I think that has improved a lot is the networking within the PRU sector. We meet on a regular basis, and that's nationally. And the EOTAS group meets regionally as well. So, there's definitely a better sharing of practice. We put on some very, very good conferences as one form of professional learning. But it's also important\u2014. And we're talking about professional learning for any teacher or provider, or it's sometimes the more informal training they receive by making visits, joint visits, to provision and also using the expertise that we do have within the sector to work more closely with our schools, and vice versa, particularly around the curriculum. And I think this is the opportunity the new curriculum provides, providing our staff have the funding to do that and the opportunities we need to be creating around that as well. But in the past, there might well have been some staff who perhaps hadn't had those school experiences and vice versa.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Can I just ask you about transition arrangements, because I know some of the issues that have arisen in my own constituency is when a pupil is in a PRU and then trying to get back into mainstream education? It isn't a clear, sort of, going from one to the other\u2014sometimes a child can find themselves at home because they're not able to get back into the school setting, the main school setting. How are you addressing that?", "Nick Williams : Well, again, I can only speak for ourselves. We've had a big investment of time, and there will be money and through band B, we're building a brand-new PRU provision in Swansea, which will be open in January 2021. So, we've recognised that, so that we have our staff working very closely with the schools. There's an integration through a part-time timetable back into school, and we continue to support them during that process. But then, when they're back in school, that support doesn't stop\u2014that support continues, and then there's a managed reduction in that support. And that's proven very successful.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : It sounds to me very\u2014. Yes, good\u2014.", "Nick Williams : But I'll be honest with you, the more challenging your learners are the ones who are coming to the end of their statutory education, your key stage 4. It is far, far more difficult when they're 15, 16 to get them back into mainstream. So, then you're looking more at how you transit, then, into further education and colleges and so on.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes. Thank you. In your view\u2014", "Lynne Neagle AM : Just before we move on, have you got anything to add, Sharon, in terms of\u2014? Because, obviously, we've had the Swansea perspective. I mean, how effective are Torfaen at reintegrating young people into mainstream education?", "Sharon Davies : As Nick said, it does get more difficult at key stage 4, and it's working, then, with\u2014. It comes back to that team-around-the-family approach, to ensure what is needed for that learner to go back into school, what can the school provide. It's looking at the whole package of support, then, that surrounds not just the learner but the family, whether it's transport\u2014it's looking at the whole agenda, then, to ensure that everything is in place for that learner to go back to school, where it's possible.", "David Hopkins : I think, Chair, at least one authority is looking at how they can best retain all pupils in the school setting, but it's early days yet for looking at that. I mean, that's an ideal, obviously, but it does mean looking at your funding constructively and carefully, and it brings\u2014. The principle is fine, but it does bring a host of other issues with it, if you see what I mean. But it's certainly a model worth looking at. It's been tried elsewhere, and we keep an eye on that, but we don't really know what the outcomes have been long term with that.", "Lynne Neagle AM : And which authority is that?", "David Hopkins : I don't think I'm allowed to say at this point.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Oh, okay. And where is it being tried elsewhere? In England, is it?", "David Hopkins : Oxfordshire.", "Sharon Davies : A few years ago, I used to be a primary headteacher in England, so we were looking at different models, then, at various conferences, and I believe Oxford, as a local authority\u2014they had a PRU, and they had discussions with their secondary schools, then, whether to get rid of the PRU, as such, and give the money back into schools. But they looked at a partnership within the schools, then, to say, 'Okay, you can have the money, but there's got to be terms of reference'\u2014not quite a service level agreement, but the schools worked together as a partnership, then, so that they couldn't keep moving the children around, the learners around. It's looking at how well that worked. It started off really well, but that was a few years ago, so I don't know whether it's continued now. But that was a model that, at the time, that local authority looked at to get more money into schools and to get schools, then, to have that responsibility\u2014that they didn't offload the learners elsewhere.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Nick, you wanted to\u2014.", "Nick Williams : Yes, sorry. We do something similar in Swansea. We've operated this now for almost three years, where we devolve\u2014the word is 'devolve', as opposed to 'delegate'\u2014the money to secondary schools to try and give them some extra resource to manage the process, and they have to produce an action plan, which we monitor, about how they're using that funding. But, obviously, we recognise that\u2014and it's back to your original question, the first question\u2014we still have learners, unfortunately, despite pretty effective support and provision in nearly all our schools, because of the very, very challenging behaviour we're experiencing, who do need additional and bespoke support, which in fairness the school can't provide. So, it's a mixed economy, if you like, in Swansea.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Janet." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 322, 357 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype , cost", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked Industrial Designer to come up with the extra cost for the display and asked User Interface to come up with the prototype and would submit it to the management.", "title": "Tasks Given by Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype , cost", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager was required for the extra cost for the display and the prototype.", "title": "Requirements from Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 9 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Don't looks nice uh . Yeah , so uh what we'll do is , uh , we will stick with the the simple design for time being until uh th Ed find outs about the how much it's cost to the extra , in case we go for the display . Okay . So", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : maybe what you can do is uh , both of you , you can come up with the the prototype , okay , the model .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay ?", "User Interface : Sure .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So um are we done with this meeting ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , I hope , if {disfmarker} is it okay if uh they will come up with the prototype design , okay . Then they can show you how it looks like , and then we can uh submit to the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I will submit to the management . Okay ? Then meantime you can come up with the price , how much it's cost as extra for uh the display .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : An and the marketing strategy , that's very important , okay .", "Industrial Designer : And a marketing strategy .", "Marketing : And marketing strategy , thank you .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes . How much you can {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Fired . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : how mu how much how much you can sell extra .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Of course you'll make money too ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so it it's not only pay-out , you make money too , your commission .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay , so , any questions ?", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : So , by next meeting , so , please come up with the the prototype , okay , then uh , then we can proceed from there .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : It's okay ?", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So thanks for all your uh efforts and coming for the meeting again , and see you soon then . Okay ?", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Thank you ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 41, "turns": [ 2, 73 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "animal , characteristics", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer asked if one could be able to recognize what animal it was when told animal and the characteristic of that animal. Project Manager didn't think so.", "title": "Animal Illustrations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "animal , characteristics", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said suppose one wants an animal and the characteristic of that animal if they would be able to recognize what animal it was. Industrial Designer then drew sort of a bunny rabbit cat and said that one could tell it was not a bunny by the ears and then added a mouth and mentioned that the favorite characteristic of the cat was the whiskers because they were easier to draw. The Project Manager said that it was to get used to using the pen on the whiteboard to get handy.", "title": "Animal Illustrations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 30 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Uh yeah , if I can pick up with all these bits and pieces , hang on .", "Project Manager : And while you're doing that we'll try and figure out how to hook these things on as well , 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around .", "Industrial Designer : Uh right , so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Do you have to be able to recognise what animal it is ? {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh I do not think so ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Are we all gonna draw a cat ?", "Project Manager : I think it's just to try out the whiteboard . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Only animal I could thin I could draw {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : I know .", "Industrial Designer : Its a sort of bunny rabbit cat . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well , sort of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Right , yeah .", "Project Manager : Great . And the characteristics ?", "Industrial Designer : Um the favourite characteristics of the cat um {disfmarker} the whiskers I think , um because they're the easiest to draw .", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "Industrial Designer : In fact , I'll give it some more {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh , and the tail", "Project Manager : Fantastic . Since you're handy as well , why don't you do yours next , Steph . I think it's to get us used to using the pen .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yes . Um sure it's not to test our artistic {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh no . {vocalsound} A mouse-y ?", "Industrial Designer : It's a mouse .", "User Interface : That's not a mouse-y , no .", "Industrial Designer : No it's not a mouse . It's a wombat .", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : It's a ratty .", "Project Manager : Argh .", "Industrial Designer : A what ?", "Project Manager : Rat .", "User Interface : A ratty .", "Project Manager : Not a mouse , a rat .", "Industrial Designer : A webbed foot . Webbed f {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} It's clothes . That's it's clothes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh right {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail .", "Project Manager : And your favourite characteristics of that animal .", "User Interface : I love whiskers . Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky {vocalsound} and uh fantastic pets", "Project Manager : Oh .", "User Interface : and very friendly .", "Project Manager : Okay . Kate ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : And they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Thanks .", "Project Manager : Oh , a fish .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Gosh ,", "User Interface : A shark ?", "Industrial Designer : why didn't I think of fish ? That's even easier to draw than cat . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm {vocalsound} this is very representational fish . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh , okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Fine .", "Marketing : Um I like them because they're sleek", "Project Manager : Favourite characteristics ?", "Marketing : and they have a lot of freedom but they also do n uh swim in groups ,", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Marketing : so .", "Project Manager : So they have team elements . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Do you have a favourite one ?", "Project Manager : I'm afraid I'm with Steph . And I think your pen's running out of whatever . But I'm afraid I take the coward's way out , and the cat's looking the other way . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : He's hiding .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 31, "turns": [ 0, 96 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "DARPA", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor F wanted to know the status of the demo since the DARPA meeting was in a month and the transcriber interface fix was still pending. PhD G added that they also talked about asking questions and retrieving previously stored files. Professor F said that they should agree on how to fix this before the meeting.", "title": "Demo Status for DARPA meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "DARPA", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor F wanted to ask Adam about the demo, because he just remembered that the DARPA meeting was taking place in mid-July, and they agreed to modify the transcriber interface. PhD G said they also talked about asking questions and retrieving previously stored files. The teacher said that they had to fix this because they only had a month to do it.", "title": "Demo Status for DARPA meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 48 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcripts", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor F asked about the status of the demo for the DARPA meeting and asked to do something about it. PhD G gave everyone sheets with digits to do a test and asked if they should name the digits all at once or if they should make a comparison by naming the digits separately and at different times, which, although it would be more enriching because it could normalize and having the strings separate, would take longer. PHD C says that although they haven't finished the experiment, it seemed to be working quite well.", "title": "Demo and Voice Tests", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "transcripts", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Professor F asked about the status of the demo for the DARPA meeting and asked to do something about it. PhD G gave everyone digit sheets to take a test, and they wanted to know if they wanted to do it speaking together or separately. PHD C said that even when the experiment was not complete, it appeared that vocal tract length normalization was working very well.", "title": "Demo and Voice Tests", "relevant_turns": [ [ 35, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "test", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G gave everyone sheets of digits to do a quiz and asked if they wanted to do a comparison of people saying the same digits at different times, because it might be nice to have them separate and have the exact same strings and normalize, but it was more quickly to do it in unison. Professor F thought that this would take some training and experience. PHD C said that even when the experiment was not complete, it appeared that vocal tract length normalization was working very well.", "title": "Voice Comparison", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "test", "speaker": "PhD G" }, "summary": "PhD G gave everyone sheets of digits to take a comparison and asked if they wanted to do the test talking together or separately. Professor F thought that this would take some training and experience. PHD C said that even when the experiment was not complete, it appeared that vocal tract length normalization was working very well.", "title": "Voice Comparison", "relevant_turns": [ [ 46, 95 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD C : What channel am I on ?", "PhD E : Channel .", "PhD C : Oh , channel two .", "PhD G : Make sure to turn your microphone on .", "PhD E : Channel .", "PhD G : There 's a battery .", "Grad B : There we go .", "PhD G : OK . Your channel number 's already on this blank sheet .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "PhD G : So you just {disfmarker} If you can {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Channel five ? Channel five .", "PhD E : Channel whatever .", "Professor F : I 'm on channel five .", "Grad B : Camera one , camera two .", "PhD E : What am I ?", "Professor F : Little low ?", "PhD E : Channel four ?", "Professor F : Channel five .", "PhD E : This number four ? OK .", "Professor F : Channel five . OK .", "PhD G : The gai the gain 's up at it {disfmarker} what it usually is ,", "Professor F : Is it ?", "PhD G : but if you think it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . It 's sort of a default . But I can set it higher if you like .", "Professor F : Oh . Maybe it should be a little higher .", "PhD G : Yeah ?", "Professor F : It 's not showing much . Test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test . OK , that {disfmarker} that seems better ? Yeah ? OK , good . Ah , that 's good , that 's good . That 's Ahh . Mmm . So I {disfmarker} I had a question for Adam . Have we started already ?", "PhD G : Well , we started recording , but {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Professor F : Yeah . Is Jane around or {disfmarker} ?", "PhD D : I saw her earlier .", "Professor F : Uh .", "PhD D : I think {disfmarker}", "PhD G : She can just walk in , I guess , or {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah . She 'll probably come up .", "Professor F : Right .", "PhD G : Since we 're starting late I figured we 'd better just start .", "Professor F : Yeah . Great idea . I was gonna ask Adam to , uh , say if he thought anymore about the demo stuff because {vocalsound} it occurred to me that this is late May and the DARPA meeting is in {pause} mid July . Uh , but {vocalsound} I don't remember w what we {disfmarker} I know that we were gonna do something with the transcriber interface is one thing , but I thought there was a second thing . Anybody remember ?", "PhD G : Well , we were gonna do a mock - up , like , question answering or something , I thought , that was totally separate from the interface . Do you remember ? Remember , like , asking questions and retrieving , {vocalsound} but in a pre - stored fashion .", "Professor F : Mm - hmm . Right .", "PhD G : That was the thing we talked about , I think , before the transcriber {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Yeah .", "PhD G : Come on in .", "Professor F : Alright . So anyway , you have to sort out that out and get somebody going on it cuz we 're {disfmarker} got a {disfmarker} got a month left basically . So .", "PhD G : You like these . Right ? OK , good .", "Professor F : OK . Um OK . So , what are we g else we got ? You got {disfmarker} you just wrote a bunch of stuff .", "PhD G : No . That was all , um , previously here .", "Professor F : Oh .", "PhD G : I was writing {pause} the digits and then I realized I could xerox them ,", "Professor F : Oh , oh .", "PhD G : because I didn't want people to turn their heads from these microphones . So . We all , by the way , have the same digit form , for the record . So .", "Professor F : That 's cool .", "PhD G : Yeah .", "Professor F : So , the choice is , uh , which {disfmarker} which do we want more , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the comparison , uh , {vocalsound} of everybody saying them at the same time or the comparison of people saying the same digits at different times that {disfmarker} ?", "PhD G : It 's just cuz I didn't have any more digit sheets .", "Professor F : I know that . But , you know , which opportunity should we", "PhD G : So . Yeah .", "PhD C : Unison .", "Professor F : exploit ? {vocalsound} Unison .", "PhD G : I mean , it {disfmarker} Actually it might be good to have them separately and have the same exact strings . I mean , we could use them for normalizing or something , but it of course goes more quickly doing them in unison .", "Professor F : I guess we 'll see", "PhD G : I don't know .", "Professor F : i I guess it 's dependent on", "PhD G : See how long we go .", "Professor F : how long we go and how good the snack is out there .", "PhD E : But anyway , they won't be identical as somebody is saying zero in some {disfmarker} sometimes , you know , saying O , and so , it 's not i not identical .", "Professor F : Yeah . Hmm . Get some advance intelligence .", "PhD G : Right . Right .", "Professor F : Yeah . We 'd have to train .", "PhD G : We 'd be like a chorus .", "PhD E : OK .", "Professor F : Yeah . We 'd have to get s get some experience .", "PhD C : Greek chorus .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "PhD G : Yes .", "Professor F : Yeah . Really {pause} boring chorus . Um . Do we {pause} have an agenda ? Adam usually tries to put those together , but he 's ill .", "PhD D : I 've got a couple of things to talk about .", "Professor F : So . Yeah . Uh ju what {disfmarker} what might those be ?", "PhD D : Uh , IBM stuff and , um , just getting {vocalsound} uh , meeting information organized .", "Professor F : Meeting info organized . OK . Um .", "PhD C : Are you implying that it 's currently disorganized ?", "PhD D : In my mind .", "Professor F : Is there stuff that 's happened about , um , uh , the {pause} SRI recognizer et cetera , tho those things that were happening before with {disfmarker} ?", "PhD C : Well .", "Professor F : Y y you guys were doing a bunch of experiments with different front - ends and then with {disfmarker} Is {disfmarker} is that still sort of where it was , uh , the other day ?", "PhD C : We 're improving .", "Professor F : We 're improving .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Now the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} You saw the note that the PLP now is getting basically the same as the MFCC .", "Professor F : Right .", "PhD D : Right ?", "PhD C : Yeah . Actually it looks like it 's getting better .", "Professor F : Right . Oh .", "PhD C : So . But {disfmarker} but it 's not {disfmarker}", "Professor F : Just with {disfmarker} with age , kind of .", "PhD C : With age . Yeah .", "Professor F : Yeah . Yeah .", "PhD C : But , uh , that 's not d directly related to me . Doesn't mean we can't talk about it . Um , it seems {disfmarker} It looks l I haven't {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker} The experiment is still not complete , but , um , it looks like the vocal tract length normalization is working beautifully , actually , w using the warp factors that we computed for the SRI system and just applying them to the {vocalsound} ICSI front - end .", "Professor F : Mm - hmm . That 's pretty funny ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 37, "turns": [ 428, 880 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "material , function issue , questionnaire", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group evaluated some function issues; the irrelevant and most used functions, the technologically innovative, the fancy look, the ease to use, the lifetime of the remote control, if the material they chose looked durable, if it was a good example for company's motto and if they put fashion in electronics with the prototype, the group had to do a questionnaire with the final evaluation.", "title": "Prototype's Final Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 23, 27, 88, [ 99, 103 ], [ 187, 190 ], 205, [ 209, 214 ], 216, [ 309, 323 ], 373, 444, [ 451, 452 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "material , function issue , questionnaire", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group evaluated the function issue based on the user requirements, they used a scale from one to seven, they said the remote control had irrelevant functions such as audio and screen settings, also said that it showed relevant and most used functions using the integrated only button made with rubber material, but it was not easy to use, they said easy to use was not that important, and they preferred to do it trendy with an LCD screen, also said battery and casing looked durable because they chose hard plastic material, so it should last pretty long, with the final evaluation, the group agreed they kind of failed with the budget, and it was not the best they could do, they had to do a questionnaire with the final evaluation.", "title": "Prototype's Final Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ 23, 27, 88, [ 99, 103 ], [ 187, 190 ], 205, [ 209, 214 ], 216, [ 309, 323 ], 373, 444, [ 451, 452 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "external design , remote control , material , function issue", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing discussed the function issue, asked if the group liked the external design with the fruit and vegetable print, said it had only one button made of rubber, and it seemed to be durable because of the hard plastic material it had.", "title": "Marketing's Opinion on the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 88, 103, 187, 190, 205, 209, 211, 270, 280, 309, 320, 323, 345 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "external design , remote control , material , function issue", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing discussed the function issue, said it had less used functions such as audio and screen settings, asked the group if they thought the remote control had a fancy external design by using fruit and vegetable print, also said they had to drop the sponge-like material, and they used hard plastic material for the case with the battery and rubber for the only button.", "title": "Marketing's Opinion on the Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ 88, 103, 187, 190, 205, 209, 211, 270, 280, 309, 320, 323, 345 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "questionnaire , ascertain , right track", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager ascertained they were on the right track and said the questionnaire was nice work.", "title": "Project Manager's Thoughts about Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 183, [ 348, 375 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "questionnaire , ascertain , right track", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said it was the weirdest remote control because it only had one button, also said that the questionnaire was a Marketing's nice work, so when they discussed ascertaining if they were on the right track, they agreed the evaluation was better than the average but they kind of failed with the budget.", "title": "Project Manager's Thoughts about Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 183, [ 348, 375 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions , extended menus , screen", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the remote control had an LCD screen that would give the user unlimited possibilities showing extended menus, Marketing said that feature should match the operating behavior of the young user, also said that irrelevant or less used functions, was the first feature they would evaluate.", "title": "Remote Control Operating Behavior", "relevant_turns": [ 35, 42, 45, 48, 50, [ 88, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions , extended menus , screen", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said the first point of the evaluation was if the remote control matched the operating behavior of the young user, with quite a lot of functions, Industrial Designer said it had extended menus on an LCD screen that would give the user unlimited possibilities, Marketing also said the remote control had irrelevant functions such as audio and screen settings, those basic or less used functions could be hidden.", "title": "Remote Control Operating Behavior", "relevant_turns": [ 35, 42, 45, 48, 50, [ 88, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "user requirements , scale", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said evaluation was based on the initial user requirements, using a scale from one to seven.", "title": "Evaluation's Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "user requirements , scale", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that evaluation was using the scale they designed from one to seven, it was based on the initial user requirements, the trends from the marketing research and the marketing strategy of the company itself.", "title": "Evaluation's Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 33 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button , scroll-wheel , trendy", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said the second point was the relevant and most used functions, asked if the remote controller still had the power button, the group answered that the power button was integrated, and it was the only button left in the prototype, they agreed to have a scroll-wheel like on a mouse that people could push in to use it, said they preferred to do it trendy and easy to use was not that important, Project Manager said a remote control with just one button was the weirdest thing ever.", "title": "Remote Control with Just One Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 99, 109 ], 119, 124, 127, 132, [ 138, 151 ], [ 157, 158 ], 183 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button , scroll-wheel , trendy", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if the remote controller still had the power button, the group agreed to leave one button and to do it trendy with a scroll-wheel.", "title": "Remote Control with Just One Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 99, 109 ], 119, 124, 127, 132, [ 138, 151 ], [ 157, 158 ], 183 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , material , single curve", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said sponge-like material and a three D shape would give the remote control something fresh, they just left the primary colours on the outside and a single curve design, Marketing they dropped speech recognition but left the LCD screen like the only technological innovation.", "title": "Fancy Look and Technological Innovative", "relevant_turns": [ 187, 190, [ 205, 216 ], 220, 226, 232, [ 243, 247 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition , material , single curve", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing said an LCD screen was more useful than speech recognition and was the only technological innovation feature, they dropped speech recognition, sponge-like material, and the double curve design, said the remote control had a fancy look with the fruit and vegetable print and the primary colours, Industrial Designer said primary colours were only on the outside and the design had just a single curve on the side.", "title": "Fancy Look and Technological Innovative", "relevant_turns": [ 187, 190, [ 205, 216 ], 220, 226, 232, [ 243, 247 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "corporate logo , easy to use", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the remote control should display the corporate logo, they just needed to draw it, but there was not enough space on the screen to do it, also said the remote control was not easy to use, Industrial Designer agreed they could not draw the corporate logo on the screen and that the only thing easy for people was that they didn't have to move their fingers because it had only one button.", "title": "Remote Control Corporate Logo", "relevant_turns": [ 253, [ 260, 263 ], [ 266, 275 ], [ 280, 283 ], [ 286, 289 ], [ 293, 294 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "corporate logo , screen , easy to use", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said the remote was not easy to use and there was not enough space on the screen to draw the corporate logo.", "title": "Remote Control Corporate Logo", "relevant_turns": [ 253, [ 260, 263 ], [ 266, 275 ], [ 280, 283 ], [ 286, 289 ], [ 293, 294 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "durable , hard plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the battery and casing were durable because it were made of hard plastic, Marketing preferred rubber, and said if people didn't drop it so much it should last pretty long.", "title": "Remote Control Material", "relevant_turns": [ 309, [ 313, 320 ], 323, 333, 342, 345 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "durable , hard plastic", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked the group if the remote control was durable, Industrial Designer said the casing was made of hard plastic and the battery should last forever, Marketing said it should last pretty long if people didn't drop it so much, but it was not the best thing they could do.", "title": "Remote Control Material", "relevant_turns": [ 309, [ 313, 320 ], 323, 333, 342, 345 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Yeah what's the next uh phase ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , this the last phase of course , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh the agenda . By your humble P_M_ .", "Project Manager : Hmm . {vocalsound} Oh .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh f {vocalsound} Frustrated . {vocalsound} Alright . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Well we first should have had a uh prototype presentation . But well as you saw that hadn't made no sense , because we had to drop it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Drop everything . Yeah .", "Marketing : Drop , yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : We went straight into finance ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah it was more important , so I just", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : For {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : pushed up the agenda .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh , evaluation criteria . You have t produced something about that ?", "Marketing : Yeah that that's {disfmarker} Yeah . I uh I sure did . And it combines with product evaluation . Uh so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh you put it in the {gap} .", "Marketing : We all have to keep in mind what has changed now . So what we have left on the {disfmarker} Because evaluation is based on the initial uh user requirements .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Alright .", "Project Manager : F_ five .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Let's make it big . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Well we evaluate uh the design with a seven point scale , as following . Well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah . True or false , and then on a scale of seven points , a {gap} scale , as we all know it .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker} Well the criteria are based on the user requirements , uh the trends from the marketing research , and the marketing strategy of the company itself . Um well they are in a Word document , which I will open now .", "Project Manager : Alt up", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . I don't know it's open yet . No . And we all have to uh agree on a certain level . What's this ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Freaky . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh . I don't know . Um {disfmarker} Well the first point is the remote control matches the operating behaviour of the young user . So that means the operating behaviour was using quite a lot of functions . How do you think about that ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I think it does . Because the operating {gap} behaviour of the young user was also defined in colour and shape and the use of L_C_D_ ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : right ?", "Project Manager : Uh , of course we dropped a little bit of those uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah the us u It it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : it's it's mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions , in this question .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So do you think {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , we have extended menus , on the on the L_C_D_ screen . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . You can you can ma", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Yeah , you can make a lot of extended menus . That's true . I mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited , to to build in menus in the screen .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I {gap} No .", "Marketing : So on a scale from one to seven , what do you think ?", "User Interface : Two or three . Two or three .", "Marketing : Huh ? Two or three ? Something like that ?", "Project Manager : Two .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well we have to choose one . So uh what do you say ?", "Project Manager : Uh y we should fill this in now .", "Marketing : I agree on two .", "Project Manager : Yeah okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I uh I say two , personally . But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah in the new design I s would say it's three . But now , in original design I say two .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah alright .", "Marketing : Yeah well we have to evaluate I guess what we have now .", "Project Manager : Okay then I say three .", "Marketing : Yeah ? You say three ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah yeah .", "Marketing : and you you said al also three ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Three ? Okay well I say still two , but it has to be three then .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Hey , you're marketing , eh . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah I know . So it's made bold . But it's {disfmarker} nah , it's not very clear on the sc", "Project Manager : Hmm . M maybe underline .", "User Interface : Or give it a colour .", "Marketing : Maybe other colour , yeah . That's better .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Red . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Alright . Oh , it doesn't have to be bold anymore .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh yeah very true .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Alright . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah true one . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um well the remote control has {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Wha {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} He types everything . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Definitely one . It has to be .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} The remote control has irrelevant or less used functions . For example audio settings and screen settings .", "User Interface : It hides uh basic functions . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Everything . {vocalsound} You don't use anything else . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Well , yeah . So it it's a very true point . I mean it hides all those function .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} You're not gonna find them .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah okay . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah true .", "Marketing : But , I mean uh they're hidden in the screen . If you don't want to use them , you don't s you s just scroll over them . And you place them {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} F I don't know where . So that's very true , I guess , for our case .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah the next {disfmarker} Not so much so .", "Marketing : Uh the second point . It shows the relevant and most used functions .", "Project Manager : Nope .", "Marketing : Power button . Do we ha still have a power button ?", "Project Manager : Uh check with the Excel sheet .", "Marketing : Well yeah the button's integrated , huh ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think we are {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah it's uh it's integrated .", "Marketing : Yeah we dropped it . You j you just push it in for {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It's in {disfmarker} Oh yeah it was integrateds . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah integrate it .", "Marketing : Yeah just just push it in for th for three seconds or something , and then {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : E exactly just like a m mobile .", "Marketing : Yeah . I don't know . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Just go scrolling and it will activate . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . Um it shows the relevant and most used functions .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} .", "Marketing : Yeah uh on the other {disfmarker} uh on one side I would say yes , and the other side I would say no . So it's {disfmarker} I don't know .", "Project Manager : It shows the most used functions and they are relevant , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Can you uh change channels directly with with just one button ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : No , you have to scroll through the menu , before", "Marketing : With the scroll butt Yeah and then say channel . And then {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . So it's it's not {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well uh we should b build it so that if you don't kind of push into the menu or something , if {disfmarker} When it's on , yeah , it's turned on ,", "Project Manager : You say you double click on the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Hmm ?", "Industrial Designer : It automatically has the the programme and the volume function ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some {gap} {disfmarker} Of you {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Or you double click it .", "Marketing : But but how do you change from volume to channel ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No because it has four arrows , right ?", "Project Manager : No , not anymore .", "User Interface : No . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Because he's {gap} now have a scroll-wheel that you can push in .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Like on the the mouse .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I was thinking still about our uh integrated joystick .", "Marketing : No we have n we have no buttons left . So {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Say .", "Marketing : the joystick was not an option .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah that is a bummer .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so you hav {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So you you have to double-click , I mean , for , I mean , uh volume ,", "Project Manager : To get into menu . Yeah .", "Marketing : and three double click for the menu , or something .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh no .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Or hold it ten seconds . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} We'll make it a Morse code .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . Alright .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But but ease of use was not very important , may I remind you .", "Project Manager : No no no . Uh it should be trendy . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So that's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah but that that's not a question .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well I think it's pretty much in the middle .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Four .", "Marketing : You have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen , in the menu . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , im {disfmarker} in the menu .", "User Interface : Seven . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : So maybe it's more like a f a five . Or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Five .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I would go for five or six , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Five or six ?", "Project Manager : Five .", "User Interface : Five . Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Okay five .", "Marketing : Five ? Alright .", "Industrial Designer : Let's not diss our remote .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's the weirdest remote control I've ever seen . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh . {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yep . Just one button . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well it's different . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Alright . Uh the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like L_C_D_ screen and speech recognition .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker} Uh yep .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition . But it has at least one innovation .", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's still {disfmarker} Yeah , I say two .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} We still have the fruit and vegetable print .", "Marketing : I say two then .", "Project Manager : Oh , that's the next . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that that's not that's not this question . Uh thi uh that's the other question .", "Industrial Designer : Fr Oh I mean the {disfmarker} Oh never mind . I'm a bit lost .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : This one .", "User Interface : I think a two . No .", "Project Manager : Two .", "Marketing : Two yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : I think L_C_D_'s more useful than speech {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah definitely .", "Marketing : What ? Oh not the bold one .", "Industrial Designer : It's way more practical , yeah .", "Marketing : Right . Okay , it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints , primary colours and sponge-like material .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It should have been two questions . {vocalsound} I realise now , because {vocalsound} sponge-like material is dropped .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But the look and feel {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You still have rubber d Or no .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . So we still uh we still have the primary colours . But only on the on the outside , not on the button .", "User Interface : No you got a plastic .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : The button has also colour . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} The one button we have . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . The one .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah still we we dropped also on the the double uh curve .", "Project Manager : Yeah you could check with the Excel sheet .", "Marketing : Mm mm .", "User Interface : Yeah . You only have one {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah we have single curve now ,", "Industrial Designer : And and colour .", "Marketing : and no and no material", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . S", "Marketing : . So maybe in the middle or something .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Four . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , I mean it's", "Project Manager : Yeah or three .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : worth the {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : We have something .", "Industrial Designer : Actually we d we didn't do so well on this one . Because it's basically an old one , uh with little curve on the side , and in a different colour . Still , it's still hard .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I mean the sponge-like and the three D_ shape , that would give it something young and fresh .", "Project Manager : New . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . But then we would have to drop the screen .", "User Interface : Red . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh red . Yeah .", "Project Manager : You like both . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} I like bold .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh the remote control displays the corporate logo . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um oh yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Mm yeah yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Of course .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I just couldn't {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} You just have to draw it . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um , just one minute .", "User Interface : It's the white part uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but it {disfmarker} be because uh we couldn't hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen , we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : We have a we have a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So I mean I wanted to put digits on the buttons as well . But {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But there's uh enough space for the corporate logo . I mean , {vocalsound} if there's only one thing .", "Industrial Designer : Hell yeah . If we have only one button .", "Marketing : Yeah . So I will say that is very true .", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And even the shape we have now uh simulates kind of an R_ and the reversed R_ ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : doesn't it ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} The remote control is easy to use . Well I would say {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Marketing : Skill , uh I would say six , or something . I don't think it's easy to use , or not so .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} The only e the only thing easy about it is that you don't have to move your fingers . 'Cause it has only one button .", "User Interface : Ah i", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : And that you only have to control one button . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah exactly .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . It it it has a nice screen . But {disfmarker} Yeah .", "User Interface : It gives visual feedback . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah . Well I I would say a five or a six .", "User Interface : I think a five . Five . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I would say six .", "Marketing : What do you say ? Easy to use ? Five or a six ?", "Industrial Designer : It's really not easy to use .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No not anymore .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause you're putting everything {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So a six , more .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , uh I would go for the six too . So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Most votes count . Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Um well , another question ,", "User Interface : Yeah that looks uh great .", "Marketing : uh the remote control is durable .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I don't know if that's the correct word .", "User Interface : Yeah . Nah {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Definitely in casing , 'cause we have a hard plastic", "Marketing : But uh {disfmarker} In use , both battery as casing ?", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah because the the batteries , those thingies last forever .", "Marketing : Yeah ? True , true .", "Industrial Designer : And the the casing , hard plastic also lasts forever .", "Marketing : And the casing is plastic , {gap} ?", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Yeah . If you don't drop it too much , it's uh should last pretty long .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So I would go for one .", "Marketing : Yeah ? But uh I think rubber compared is better . So I think a two is more appropriate", "User Interface : Yeah . S", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Okay yeah .", "Marketing : than {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Wow . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . Logo .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay I will go {disfmarker} go for two . {vocalsound} Uh the last one ? The remote control's a good example for company's motto , we put the fashion in electronics .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Oh . No m", "User Interface : No we put the electronics into the fashion . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah well {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I would g", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {gap} uh {disfmarker} {gap} turn around . Yeah . But um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I would go for four .", "Project Manager : No {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : Because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have .", "Marketing : It's not {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah , true .", "Project Manager : Yeah okay .", "Marketing : So a four . It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it g it g goes , it's not the best we could do , I guess .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : But it all has to do with the budget , because it's it's not the bad idea we had , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , four is okay .", "Marketing : Alright , yeah . Right .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's it .", "Marketing : So if I understood it right , we have to count these numbers .", "Project Manager : Ooh . And {disfmarker} Yeah ? What ?", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Mm-hmm . Oh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Oh {disfmarker} Alright . Word document , the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . That {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah we have to count them .", "Project Manager : Count them . Add them ? Or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh {disfmarker} Yeah just add them and then uh divide them .", "Project Manager : Could somebody start calculator ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Mm . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Ah we can do the math . Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I all made it po I I all made it", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I all made it possible uh for a positive questions , so we can count it .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : I mean if you have reversed question , you have to reverse the scale ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah . You have to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : uh {disfmarker} Yes .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . So four and {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Did you make this questionnaire or what ?", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Thanks . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Nice work .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "User Interface : Three plus ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I wouldn't be able to do it that fast .", "Project Manager : O one .", "User Interface : Plus one .", "Project Manager : Plus five .", "User Interface : Plus five ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Oh {disfmarker} Easy .", "Project Manager : Bo {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Question number four , yeah ?", "Project Manager : Uh two .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Four .", "User Interface : Oh . Wait a second . Oh . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : F", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's it's gone wrong .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} How hard is it ?", "User Interface : Okay . It's your turn .", "Industrial Designer : Pretty difficult .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah just use {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Start over ?", "User Interface : No it's if you press twice on the plus button , then you get s s", "Marketing : Oh there tho uh there's no n There's no num pads .", "Project Manager : You can {disfmarker} Oh yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No . That's why it's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's a it's a bit uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Just type in the digits . They're all one digit numbers right ? And then you can count them together .", "Marketing : Yeah . I think you can just count them by a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Just count it to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : Um let's move over .", "Project Manager : Okay . Three , four , nine .", "Marketing : Three , plus one , four . Nine .", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh , yeah . Are you here ?", "Industrial Designer : Eleven .", "Marketing : Eleven .", "Project Manager : Eleven ,", "Industrial Designer : Fifteen .", "Marketing : Fifteen .", "Project Manager : fifteen .", "User Interface : Sixteen .", "Industrial Designer : Sixteen .", "Marketing : Sixteen , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Seventeen .", "Project Manager : Seventeen .", "Marketing : No sixteen . Uh sixteen plus six .", "Industrial Designer : Oh what ?", "User Interface : Twenty two . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : S Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} How hard is this ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Twenty two . Twenty two , yeah ?", "User Interface : Twenty four . Twenty six .", "Industrial Designer : Never mind . Twenty four . Twenty eight .", "Marketing : Tw", "User Interface : Oh , sorry . {gap} .", "Marketing : Twenty {disfmarker} Twenty eight .", "Project Manager : That was the last one . That was that .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Oh my .", "Industrial Designer : Twenty eight .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay . Twenty eight .", "Project Manager : So divided by nine .", "Marketing : Twen Uh okay . By nine .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Marketing : That's uh three uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Or le less than a three .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah the lower the {disfmarker} The lower the score the better , right ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Twenty eight", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Divided by nine .", "Marketing : di divided by nine", "Project Manager : So thr t two .", "Marketing : makes three point one one one one one one one .", "Project Manager : So we're better than average ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 0, 60 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "frustrating meetings", "speaker": "Grad F , Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad F expressed meeting was frustrating. Grad A disagreed.", "title": "Meeting Vision", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "frustrating meetings", "speaker": "Grad F , Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad F just had one of the most frustrating meetings in career while Grad A said it definitely was not.", "title": "Grad A And Grad F Diagreement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 11 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad A : Ah , so comfortable .", "Grad F : Smooth .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm . Good . I know that he 's going to like , Taiwan and other places to eat . So .", "Grad D : On ? Am I on ?", "Grad A : Yep . Yep .", "Grad D : I think I 'm on ?", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Grad D : Good . Good .", "Grad A : Bye .", "Grad B : Actually {disfmarker}", "Grad F : I just had one of the most frustrating meetings of my career .", "Grad A : It 's definitely not the most frustrating meeting I 've ever had .", "Grad D : You a You 're {disfmarker} you remember you 're being recorded at this point .", "Grad A : Oh , yeah , so , w we didn't yet specify with whom .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad F : Yeah .", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad A : But um .", "Professor E : Uh , right .", "Grad A : So that 's why Keith and I are going to be a little dazed for the first half m the meeting .", "Professor E : Uh .", "Grad F : Huh . Yeah , I 'm just gonna sit here and", "Professor E : Right . Yeah , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I avoided that as long as I could for you guys ,", "Grad F : growl .", "Professor E : but , uh {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Yeah .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad F : For which we thank you , by the way .", "Grad A : Are very appreciative , yeah .", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad F : I know you were {disfmarker} you were doing that , but , anyway .", "Grad D : Oh yeah , how di how d exactly did , uh , that paper lead to anti - lock brakes ?", "Grad F : Oh , I could tell you had a rough day , man !", "Grad D : Nah .", "Grad A : What ?", "Grad D : I love that story .", "Grad F : Yeah , it 's a great story .", "Grad C : OK .", "Grad F : Oh my goodness .", "Grad C : Oh yeah , um , Liz suggested we could start off by uh , doing the digits all at the same time .", "Grad A : What ?", "Grad D : All at the same time . I don't know if {disfmarker} I would get distracted and confused , probably .", "Professor E : e", "Grad A : Really ? Do we have to like , synchronize ?", "Professor E : Well , I think you 're supposed to {disfmarker} OK . We can do this .", "Grad F : Are you being silly ?", "Grad D : Oh wait do we have t", "Professor E : Everybody 's got different digits ,", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor E : right ?", "Grad D : Yeah , do we have to time them at the same time or just overlapping {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Uh .", "Grad A : You 're kidding .", "Grad C : No , no , just {disfmarker} just start whenever you want .", "Professor E : No .", "Grad A : And any rate ?", "Professor E : e yeah , the", "Grad F : Alright .", "Professor E : Well , they {disfmarker} they have s they have the close talking microphones for each of us ,", "Grad A : Yeah , that 's true .", "Professor E : so {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 78, 111 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "multi-functional , single-functional , product", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that there were two design options, one was a multifunctional remote control for several devices and the other was a single-function remote control, mostly used for television, and that multifunctional controls were difficult, while a single function remote was simpler, so it was preferable and more compatible and profitable, with fewer functions included. Marketing asked if the single function remote would be usable internationally, and User Interface answered that they would need to make it compatible with different brands, easier with different brands of televisions. Marketing agreed with the single design, and everyone agreed with that.", "title": "Team Discussion About the Multi-Functional and Single-Functional Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 20, 25 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "multi-functional , single-functional , product", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that there were two functional design options, a multifunctional remote control, which could be used for several entertainment devices, and a single function remote control, just for the television itself, multifunctional controls could be difficult to use, so single-function controls would be preferable, and more compatible and profitable, with fewer functions included. Marketing asked if the single function remote was usable internationally, and User Interface answered that they would have to make it compatible with different brands of devices, easier with just different brands of televisions. Marketing agreed with the single design, and everyone agreed with that.", "title": "Team Discussion About the Multi-Functional and Single-Functional Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 10 ], [ 20, 25 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Okay . I'm the User {vocalsound} um User Interface Designer . Uh , the technical functions design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus should have . Um , in this case it's the function of the remote control , which is to send messages to the television , television set . By taking inspiration from other similar designs , we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control , which is sellable international . There're two functional design options . A multifunctional remote control , which can be used for several entertainment devices . And a single function remote control , used specifically for the television . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I'm sorry , what was that last one . Multifunctional and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Sorry . Um , a single function just for the television itself .", "Marketing : Ch Oh , I see .", "User Interface : Yeah . Um , multifunctional controls can be difficult to use , as the multitude of buttons can be confusing . A single function remote control is simpler to use , but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices .", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "User Interface : Um , I think that a single function remote control would be preferable , because it's easier to use . It'd be more compatible with a range of television sets , making it more internationally sellable . Um , it will make an original design more obtainable , as we have less functional necessities to include in the design . And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic . And less functions would have to be included . So it would be cheaper to make . And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices . Does anyone have any questions ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So as far as we know , um , a single function television remote control is us usable internationally ?", "User Interface : Well , it's just that , when we're creating it , we're , we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices .", "Marketing : {gap} Right .", "User Interface : And it would be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent ,", "Marketing : D_V_D_s and V_C_R_ ?", "User Interface : yeah ,", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : other entertainment devices .", "Project Manager : Does everyone agree with this ? Does anyone object and , and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go ?", "Industrial Designer : Um , {vocalsound} I was just wondering about the , what , what Genevieve said before , about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing . And that would probably , um , I d , well well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design . I suppose having that would complicate it a lot more .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And limit the design {gap} . Do you think ?", "Marketing : Yeah , I think I agree with the single design thing for now , because we're trying to do so much , that if we're trying to make a unique , user-friendly , dadada , and it's also multi also multifunctional , um , we're gonna go over budget for one thing .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah . That's true . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . And with this we'll have more room in the budget probably to make a more original design .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : We'll have more money to go into the design side of it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Alright . Sounds great .", "Marketing : Mm , 'kay .", "Project Manager : Alright , well , um ," ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 50, "turns": [ 0, 4 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "healthy weight", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked how confident they were that a healthy weight would deliver for children and young people. Dr Frank Atherton said they were very confident and it was quite clear.", "title": "Healthy Weight, Healthy Wales", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "healthy weight", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked since the Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales was an all-age strategy how confident they were that it would deliver for children and young people. Dr Frank Atherton answered that they were very confident and had a high prevalence of overweight and obesity among adults, demanding health services. They needed to think about what they could do that would be different for the next generation so that they didn't get into the sorts of problems that they were currently seeing with overweight and obesity, since the consequences of that were going to be enormous if they didn't do something, and something quite soon, overweight children would go on to become overweight adults.", "title": "Healthy Weight, Healthy Wales", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 1 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence from Michelle Brown and Jack Sargeant; there are no substitutions. Can I ask if Members have any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. We'll move on, then, to item 2, which is our scrutiny of the 'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' draft strategy, and I'm very pleased to welcome Dr Frank Atherton, the Chief Medical Officer for Wales, and Nathan Cook, who is the head of the healthy and active branch at Welsh Government. Thank you, both, for attending this morning. We're very much looking forward to hearing what you've got to say. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions. If I can just start by asking about the fact that 'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' is an all-age strategy, really, and how confident you are that it will deliver for children and young people.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, we're very confident. I mean, it has to, quite clearly. We do need to think about the present generation, the problems faced by the current generation. We have high prevalence of overweight and obesity among adults\u2014we know that, and we can't walk away from that because that's translating into demand on health services. But we have to take a focus, a future generation's focus, almost, on the next generation. I don't write off the current generation, we can't afford to do that, but we do need to think about what can we do that would be different for the next generation so that they don't get into the sorts of problems that we're currently seeing with overweight and obesity. We know that the consequences of that for our young people are going to be enormous if we don't do something and something quite soon. We know that overweight children go on to become overweight adults, unfortunately, and that brings all the consequences of multiple disease issues\u2014diabetes is often cited\u2014cancer risk et cetera. So, we have to focus on children, and, in fact, during the consultation, we've been very clear that we need to engage with children and young people as well. Perhaps we'll get into that at some point, Chair, but, yes, I can give you that assurance.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. What my follow-up question, really, is: can you just tell us what kind of engagement you've had with children and young people to inform the draft strategy?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, Nathan may be able to influence some of the detail, but in broad terms, we have discussed with young people in a number of fora. In fact, I was delighted that we had a young person, Evie Morgan, a schoolgirl from mid Wales, who came to the joint launch on the consultation. She met the Minister there and gave a very good personal account of her views on obesity and overweight. We've been visiting a number of schools during the consultation process. I'm visiting a school, either this week or next week, at Treorchy, to talk with teachers and young people there. Obviously, we're hopeful that schools and young people will contribute to the consultation as well. So, we've had quite good input, I would say, from children and young people. There is always more we can do we and we want to hear those voices.", "Nathan Cook : I was going to say, we've also had a session with youth ambassadors as well, and what we've actually produced for the consultation is not just the children and young people's version, but also a toolkit in terms of getting schools really engaged and involved in terms of the work that we want them to do to feed into this as well. So, we've already had some really good responses from a lot of youth group and schools already." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 61, "turns": [ 140, 186 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bottom layer", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A said that there were the things with the source, the path, and the goal, and Grad A separated them out, like their net, their context, and the discourse, so they could isolate them in terms of the top layer, and then the bottom layer was just the mode.", "title": "Grad A Isolating Things with Bottom Layer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bottom layer", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A; things; the source and the path and the goal; I separated them out; did similar things; we could sort of isolate them; terms; the top layer; the bottom layer; just Mode.", "title": "Grad A Isolating Things with Bottom Layer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 12 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pedagogical belief", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A said that did that for a pedagogical belief-net because it tried to conceptually do what they spoke about the expanded nodes, then created these dummy nodes, and their name was Trajector-In and Trajector-Out, that isolated thing related to the trajector, then Grad A separated things with the source, the path, and the goal, then did similar things with their net, with the context, the discourse, so they isolated them better.", "title": "Grad A Work on Separating Things and Pedagogical Belief", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "pedagogical belief", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A said that what did for that was a pedagogical belief-net because tried to conceptually do what they spoke about with the nodes that they could expand out, created those dummy nodes called trajector-in and trajector-out that isolated things related to the trajectory, with the source and the path and the goal.", "title": "Grad A Work on Separating Things and Pedagogical Belief", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "initial ones", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A thought about how things would fit, then grouped them in image schemas that were related. The two that Grad A came up with were Trajector-landmark and then Source-path, as initial ones, and trajector was the person in that case.", "title": "Grad A Grouping the Initial Ones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "initial ones", "speaker": "Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad A; more node; Mode; took the last; belief-net; grouped things; they would fit; image schemas; related; I came up with; Trajector-landmark and then Source-path-goal as initial ones.", "title": "Grad A Grouping the Initial Ones", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 19 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad D : and we also have a l little bit on the interface , M - three - L enhancement , and then um that was it , I think .", "Grad A : So , what I did for this {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} uh , a pedagogical belief - net because I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I took {disfmarker} I tried to conceptually do what you were talking about with the nodes that you could expand out {disfmarker} so what I did was I took {disfmarker} I made these dummy nodes called Trajector - In and Trajector - Out that would isolate the things related to the trajector .", "Professor B : Yep .", "Grad A : And then there were the things with the source and the path and the goal .", "Professor B : Yep .", "Grad A : And I separated them out . And then I um did similar things for our {disfmarker} our net to {disfmarker} uh with the context and the discourse and whatnot , um , so we could sort of isolate them or whatever in terms of the {disfmarker} the top layer .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : And then the bottom layer is just the Mode . So .", "Professor B : So , let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} Yeah , I don't understand it . Let 's go {disfmarker} Slide all the way up so we see what the p the p very bottom looks like , or is that it ?", "Grad A : Yeah , there 's just one more node and it says \" Mode \" which is the decision between the {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK , great . Alright .", "Grad A : So basically all I did was I took the last {pause} belief - net", "Professor B : So {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : and I grouped things according to what {disfmarker} how I thought they would fit in to uh image schemas that would be related . And the two that I came up with were Trajector - landmark and then Source - path - goal as initial ones .", "Professor B : Yep . Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : And then I said well , uh the trajector would be the person in this case probably .", "Professor B : Right , yep .", "Grad A : Um , you know , we have {disfmarker} we have the concept of what their intention was , whether they were trying to tour or do business or whatever ,", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad A : or they were hurried . That 's kind of related to that . And then um in terms of the source , the things {disfmarker} uh the only things that we had on there I believe were whether {disfmarker} Oh actually , I kind of , {disfmarker} I might have added these cuz I don't think we talked too much about the source in the old one but uh whether the {disfmarker} where I 'm currently at is a landmark might have a bearing on whether {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : or the \" landmark - iness \" of where I 'm currently at . And \" usefulness \" is basi basically means is that an institutional facility like a town hall or something like that that 's not {disfmarker} something that you 'd visit for tourist 's {disfmarker} tourism 's sake or whatever . \" Travel constraints \" would be something like you know , maybe they said they can {disfmarker} they only wanna take a bus or something like that , right ? And then those are somewhat related to the path ,", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : so that would determine whether we 'd {disfmarker} could take {disfmarker} we would be telling them to go to the bus stop or versus walking there directly . Um , \" Goal \" . Similar things as the source except they also added whether the entity was closed and whether they have somehow marked that is was the final destination . Um , and then if you go up , Robert , Yeah , so {disfmarker} um , in terms of Context , what we had currently said was whether they were a businessman or a tourist of some other person . Um , Discourse was related to whether they had asked about open hours or whether they asked about where the entrance was or the admission fee , or something along those lines .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : Uh , Prosody I don't really {disfmarker} I 'm not really sure what prosody means , in this context , so I just made up you know whether {disfmarker} whether what they say is {disfmarker} or h how they say it is {disfmarker} is that .", "Professor B : Right , OK .", "Grad A : Um , the Parse would be what verb they chose , and then maybe how they modified it , in the sense of whether they said \" I need to get there quickly \" or whatever .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : And um , in terms of World Knowledge , this would just basically be like opening and closing times of things , the time of day it is , and whatnot .", "Grad D : What 's \" tourbook \" ?", "Grad A : Tourbook ? That would be , I don't know , the \" landmark - iness \" of things ,", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad A : whether it 's in the tourbook or not .", "Professor B : Ch - ch - ch - ch . Now . Alright , so I understand what 's {disfmarker} what you got . I don't yet understand {pause} how you would use it . So let me see if I can ask", "Grad A : Well , this is not a working Bayes - net .", "Professor B : a s Right . No , I understand that , but {disfmarker} but um So , what {disfmarker} Let 's slide back up again and see {disfmarker} start at the {disfmarker} at the bottom and Oop - bo - doop - boop - boop . Yeah . So , you could imagine w Uh , go ahead , you were about to go up there and point to something .", "Grad A : Well I {disfmarker} OK , I just {disfmarker} Say what you were gonna say .", "Professor B : Good , do it !", "Grad A : OK .", "Professor B : No no , go do it .", "Grad A : Uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} No , I was gonna wait until {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Oh , OK . So , so if you {disfmarker} if we made {disfmarker} if we wanted to make it into a {disfmarker} a real uh Bayes - net , that is , you know , with fill {disfmarker} you know , actually f uh , fill it @ @ in , then uh {disfmarker}", "Grad A : So we 'd have to get rid of this and connect these things directly to the Mode .", "Professor B : Well , I don't {disfmarker} That 's an issue . So , um {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Cuz I don't understand how it would work otherwise ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 57, "turns": [ 9, 88 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "trend watching", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing said they were going to discuss the trend-watching on what preference factors people had regarding the remote controls. User Interface asked if the last factor was the most important one.", "title": "Remote Control Market Survey Findings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "trend watching", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Marketing said they were going to discuss the trend watching and how the trends were going to affect their market potential and that after conducting a remote control market survey they found out that people had a preference for fancy remote controls which looked good rather than having a functional look and feel indicating that their preference was for the design outlook of the remote controls and so they should consider that factor as most important. User Interface asked if the last one was the most important one and Marketing said the first one about fancy outlook was the most important.", "title": "Remote Control Market Survey Findings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spongy", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface said that it was hard to incorporate the fruit and vegetable. Marketing said that they had to because the world was changing towards becoming more organic and Industrial Designer suggested that they made a big sponge lemon.", "title": "Incorporating Fruits and Vegetables in Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spongy", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "User Interface; I was just reading fruit and vegetables; Hard to know how we are going to incorporate that; Industrial Designer; We should make a big sponge lemon, and then it'd be it would be yellow; Glow in the dark; Marketing; the feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look, hard look; so that they could play with it while handling it. So that should also be taken into consideration; User Interface; Okay, the spongy, not real spongy.", "title": "Incorporating Fruits and Vegetables in Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 74 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Hi , me Raj , again . Uh in this meeting I I'm going to discuss about the trend watching , uh how these trends is going to affect our market potential and how important is this . So we have to look on this . First of all methodology . The met methodology to find out the trend was incl uh was done in a way {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey , but we also considered the latest fre fashion trends of the market , because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit . So what are our findings ? In our {vocalsound} uh in our findings we have seen that {disfmarker} when we did our remote control market survey we found that uh people l uh people do have preference for tho fancy mobi uh f remote controls which look and feel very good , rather than having a functional look and feel uh good . So this sh this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls . So we should take into uh we should consider this factor as the most important factor , because this factor is twice as important , the second factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as uh the third factor . So this factor becomes the most important factor in our surv uh uh in our mark uh means in take {disfmarker} in designing our rem uh remote controls .", "User Interface : The last one is the most important one , is it ?", "Marketing : No the first one is the", "User Interface : Oh , sorry .", "Marketing : uh the outlook of the mobile , the it should have a fancy outlook ,", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : the fancy design uh rather than just having a functional look and feel good , it should have a fancy look and foo feel good .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : The second most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically uh innovative . We must have some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo uh remote controls are . So it uh should be technologically innovative like glow-in-the-dark or speech recognition , something like that .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So that indicates our technological advancement . And the third most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : like it shouldn't be too much co complicated ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : there shouldn't be too many buttons on this mobi uh remote control , it shouldn't be too complicated uh like this way . And it should be uh {disfmarker} and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language , something . So that they could know how to use these remote controls . When we did uh f fashions uh , recent fashion uh {disfmarker} our recent fashion update shows that {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Sorry .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Ah yeah ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I was just reading fruit and vegetables .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Hard to know how we are going to incorporate that . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Y yeah uh yeah , we have to , because uh d you can see how people have related their clothes , shoes , {gap} and everything with fruits and vegetables ,", "Project Manager : {gap}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : because the g world is now changing it's trend towards organic , becoming more and more organic ,", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We should make a big sponge lemon ,", "Marketing : becoming {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and then it'd be it would be yellow .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Th that's very good .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . So something like that we we should do .", "User Interface : Glow-in-the-dark . Okay .", "Marketing : And people uh the f feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look , hard look .", "Industrial Designer : Mm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Well , that's good .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : That's what we kind of predicted anyway .", "Marketing : So so that they could play with it while handi uh while handling it . So that should also be taken into consideration .", "User Interface : Okay . Okay .", "Marketing : So these are my views .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay , the spongy , not real spongy , you can {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No it ca {vocalsound} y a {gap} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Do you think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be like gel kind of stuff ?", "Marketing : The rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposable that we can take into co", "User Interface : Okay . Quite disposable .", "Marketing : Yeah . 'Cause we It shouldn't be have any harm to the environment also ,", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : because our company is very well {gap} for taking all these concerns into consideration ,", "Project Manager : Alright , okay .", "User Interface : Oh okay .", "Marketing : so we don't want to have any harm to the society ,", "User Interface : Uh-huh . Okay .", "Marketing : so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Fashion .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Mm 'kay .", "User Interface : Cool .", "Marketing : So that's all . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Fruit and veg , well there you go .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Just what I think of when I think of a remote control . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "User Interface : A remote control ? Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {gap}", "User Interface : And were there any factors that weren't important in the survey , that they said we don't want ?", "Marketing : S uh we didn't find out any such point .", "User Interface : Or was it just {disfmarker} Okay . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh yes , there could be , but we couldn't find out any , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-mm-mm-mm .", "User Interface : Cool ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 51, "turns": [ 318, 546 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote , project evaluation", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the remote shape had to be biomorphic, comfy, and round, small size with bright colors and they achieved that.", "title": "General Feeling of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote , project evaluation", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the wish was realized in the prototype with the shape being biomorphic since she didn't want anything with angles and all square, it was comfy and round, the size was small, the color's bright and warm which was what they wanted as they wanted the feel to be as soft as possible. The way it was shaped even though it was gonna be hard plastic felt good in the hand.", "title": "General Feeling of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that on a scale of one to seven with one being good and seven worst, the shape was one, size was four, the color was one, feel was two or three, and functionality three. Industrial Designer felt the shape should have been a one.", "title": "Rating the Product Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product evaluation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team discussed product evaluation with one being good and seven being the worst. Marketing said that the shape was one and they all agreed on that, the size was a four since it felt average, and Industrial Designer thought the size was small so it should be one, the colour was one since it was bright and warm, the feel was agreed to be two and functionality was a three and suggested they should think more about it.", "title": "Rating the Product Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ [ 80, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improvement , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer suggested they could include some more buttons and features. Marketing suggested they did something with the volume control. Project Manager said they need to leave space money-wise for the voice recognizer.", "title": "Suggestions for the Remote Improvement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 160 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "improvement , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; Maybe we can include some more buttons and features; We can make the buttons few buttons smaller; they are quite big; we can just have small buttons and more buttons in that case; Marketing; if we're gonna do the speech recognition thing there gonna be some buttons that are gonna have to be added for that for the recording of the speech; maybe we can eliminate one of the mute buttons, instead of having two mute buttons; we can do something with the um the volume control. Maybe we can put that all on one button.", "title": "Suggestions for the Remote Improvement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 127, 160 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "leadership , teamwork , means", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked if they were happy with the leadership and Marketing said the leader did a good job and that they worked well together as a team and suggested they could have used the whiteboard a little bit more.", "title": "Opinions on Overall Project Process", "relevant_turns": [ [ 155, 203 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "leadership , teamwork , means", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; are we happy with the leadership of this project, And I think teamwork I think was very very good; User Interface; Yes, yes you've done a good job; Marketing; I think you've done a good job, Miss leader; I do too I think we worked well together as a team; Project Manager; I think we are we happy with the means we used; We used whiteboard, we didn't use digital well digital pens; Marketing; Yeah maybe we could've used the whiteboard a little bit more; User Interface; Whiteboard more, yes, yes", "title": "Opinions on Overall Project Process", "relevant_turns": [ [ 155, 203 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whiteboard", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked if they were happy with the means they used. Marketing said they could have used the whiteboard a little bit more.", "title": "Means Used During the Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 167, 193 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "whiteboard", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager; are we happy with the means we used? We used whiteboard, we didn't use digital p well digital pens I guess are these things; Marketing; maybe we could've used the whiteboard a little bit more; we didn't use that enough. We used the slide because it was better positioned.", "title": "Means Used During the Project", "relevant_turns": [ [ 167, 193 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the method of marketing the product was to know if it would sell and then take the prototype to different people and hear their opinions concerning the product.", "title": "Method of Marketing a Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "prototype", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said the method of marketing was to show the prototype to people from various age and socioeconomic groups and see about any fine-tuning and of course, they could not accept every suggestion but may just get a few and then show the prototype to consumer research groups to get some input from them and then next was to just have to go with the best intuition and one that thinks it would be good and gonna get behind it and sell it if the prototype met all the wishes.", "title": "Method of Marketing a Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 14 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Now we would like to have a presentation by the marketing expert on production evaluation .", "Marketing : Okay , I'll take my file down so you can bring it up . 'Kay should be able to get it now . 'Kay , why don't you move just to the next slide right away .", "Project Manager : You wanna go to the next slide ?", "Marketing : Yeah right away .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay , well uh obviously my method for uh s m the marketing of this thing is first to ask the big question , will it sell ? And I think we should show this prototype to people from various age and socio-economic groups and see about any fine tuning that {disfmarker} maybe little things we haven't thought of .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : We can't accept every suggestion of course , but maybe we just need to get a few .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : And show the the prototype to consumer research groups , we don't s want somebody to suddenly come to us and tell us that this button is toxic and you know some child will swallow it and then we won't sell any .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . Mm .", "Marketing : So we have to get some input from those people .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : And then after that we just have to go with our best intuition and you know we like it , we think it's good , we're gonna get behind it and sell it . Um , next slide please . Okay , now the things that I was thinking and th my wish list has really been realised in this prototype . I wanted the shape to be biomorphic , I didn't want anything with angles and all square , I wanted it to be comfy and roundy so we we've got that . The size is small , the colour's bright and warm which is what we wanted . We wanted the feel to be as soft as possible , we'll have the soft buttons", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and the way this is shaped , even though it's gonna be hard plastic , it feels good in your hand so that's nice . And functionality I put last on my list because people aren't going to use it before they buy it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So paradoxically the other features , in other words , the look , the feel um and the shape , that's what people are gonna get in the store .", "User Interface : Fee selling .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : They don't have a television in the store , they can't play with it .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um so they'll be our main selling points . So um {vocalsound} th those have been fulfilled by your prototype and go ahead to the next slide please . Okay , so um the shape um I think is a {disfmarker} a one . That's really , really excellent shape . The size is small um and th these points are in the importance for the , for the marketing , these aren't i in how I feel . I think that it's {disfmarker} I think that it's plenty small enough to sell but I think we're sort of right {disfmarker} the scale is one to seven . I think we're sort of right in the middle as far as c other competitors .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : And our colour I think is great . The colours are bright and warm and we really do great job there . And given um the constraints that we had I think we got it as soft as possible . And then functionality um I think you did a really good job on functionality , obviously we could have ad added different functions but then we'd disturb something else so I would say that we got to a five out of seven on on functionality .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So I think that basically we've got a great product and we can get off and running with it .", "Project Manager : Um I just realised one thing .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : In the financing there was no room for our voice recogniser .", "Marketing : Yes .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Ah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And uh I don't know how we can evaluate that or how we can include that , too .", "Marketing : Well , um we had what , eight eight euros twenty as our cost ?", "Project Manager : Eight , eight twenty , yes .", "Industrial Designer : Eight twenty so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And so we've got {disfmarker} we've still got four euros to go {disfmarker} to spend .", "Industrial Designer : We have um four euros , yeah", "Project Manager : I mean maximum we have another four point three euros I mean {vocalsound} four thirty .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Well um that's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But I mean we have no way of presenting that to management as you know as a f finished , as a finished product and saying okay with the voice recogniser that costs so much .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So um we just have to beware of that . I mean and know whether the four thirty will really cover that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well as we know in today's technic technological world you can do just about anything at any price , the the the problem is quality .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah {gap} .", "Marketing : So we're just gonna have to settle for whatever quality that will buy us .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "User Interface : Yes , yes .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : And um it may not be the greatest quality but it may sell anyway .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , still .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} As we've seen with so many of these kinds of products . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I'm sorry to interrupt then but I just uh recog I just remembered that there was no {disfmarker} that that was not um included uh {disfmarker} that there was no room for any special features , okay ?", "Industrial Designer : Included , yeah . Hmm ,", "User Interface : Yeah mm .", "Industrial Designer : hmm", "Project Manager : So to beware of that . You wanna go to this next slide , marketing expert ?", "Marketing : Uh , well I isn't this my last slide ?", "Project Manager : I dunno .", "Marketing : Maybe .", "Project Manager : Yes it is . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Go ahead . I think that was my last slide , yeah . Um . Mm okay . And I'm supposed to present this scale on the whiteboard . Um and we're supposed to talk about those things as a team now , so if you put my last slide back up there .", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Marketing : I'm sorry I've um forgot to do that , um .", "Project Manager : Why ? Wh why you need that up ?", "Marketing : Hmm ? Well because I can't remember what I put on there . {vocalsound} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Now I'm supposed to see how long my leash is here .", "Project Manager : I think you can make it there .", "Marketing : Mm 'kay . You ready . So now we're all supposed to say what we think . Um okay so on shape I gave it a one . Wait what would you ra uh one being good and seven being the worst .", "User Interface : Worse , okay .", "Marketing : Um what do you think the shape is ?", "User Interface : One .", "Marketing : One , okay , and Be Betsy ?", "Project Manager : Yes I think uh shape is one .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , even my {disfmarker} yeah , shape is one .", "Marketing : Okay , uh-huh one , okay . And how about on size ? On size {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You {disfmarker} you gave it a four .", "Marketing : I gave it a four , yeah , I feel it's just average .", "Project Manager : Um , I dunno . I think I would give it at least a two .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : One .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , even I think it is one . It's quite small .", "Marketing : Okay . Okay {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : you're the designer , of course you wanna give it a one .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um and then how about {disfmarker} how we doing on colour ?", "Project Manager : Colour uh I {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Colour , I gave it a one .", "Project Manager : One .", "Marketing : I really like all those nice bright , warm colours .", "Project Manager : I {disfmarker} I like the colours . One .", "User Interface : One . Yes .", "Marketing : One .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , one .", "Marketing : One , one , one , okay . And how about the feel ? Taking into um consideration texture and comfort in the hand .", "Project Manager : Uh , I think I would give it a two .", "Marketing : Okay , I gave it a three , two ,", "User Interface : I'll give three .", "Marketing : yeah ? Three .", "Industrial Designer : Uh maybe two ,", "Marketing : Two , okay .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : And the next is functionality where I I admit I was a little hard on our team here , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well it's also you can't really try it out uh the other things you have have more {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} are more tangible so from that point of view", "Marketing : Yeah . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : but um {disfmarker} I'll give it a three .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Two .", "Marketing : Two , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh three , mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Three ? Okay . Well , um . It looks like we've got got ourselves a pretty good product . Um the functionality's the only place where maybe we have to think about m m maybe , heaven forbid , having another meeting .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} But um otherwise I think we're {disfmarker} we're ready to go to {disfmarker} go with this product . Anybody else have any other comments or any other things that we feel we should evaluate ?", "Project Manager : Uh . Here is what we looking at uh satisfaction on for example room for creativity . Um . Is there more room for creativity or are we absolutely happy ?", "User Interface : We can always improve , yes .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe we can {disfmarker} yeah , include some more buttons and uh um", "User Interface : Yes , features .", "Industrial Designer : yeah features . We can make the buttons {disfmarker} few buttons smaller . Uh I think they are quite big , so I think {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean we can just have small buttons and more buttons in that case . If we want to have more features than that .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Well then again if we're gonna um {vocalsound} do the speech recognition thing we're gon there gonna be some buttons that are gonna have to be added for that for the recording of the the speech .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah , definitely .", "User Interface : Yes . Voices .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So that that's where we're gonna have to do {disfmarker} maybe we can eliminate one of the mute buttons , instead of having two mute buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , definitely , yeah , two mu mute buttons .", "User Interface : Yes . Yes .", "Marketing : And um then maybe we can do something with the um the volume control . Maybe we can put that all on one button .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Marketing : Um and a couple of other th maybe comp uh consolidate some of the usage an and see what we can do with that .", "Project Manager : Y um al always bearing in mind that right now we are of course well within the budget", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And maybe {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and that we still you know we probably can't , with this particular item , we probably can't just uh add a whole lot of more things .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . No .", "Project Manager : Uh um we need uh {disfmarker} you know we need to leave space money-wise for the voice recogniser .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So th the question really is how do we feel with the project process ? Uh , um are we happy with the creativity that has passed here or we're not happy with the new product we created or that was created ? Uh I think {disfmarker} personally I think uh I'm pretty happy .", "Marketing : I'm pretty happy with it too , yeah um ,", "Project Manager : Um an", "Industrial Designer : Even I'm happy .", "Marketing : it's something I think I can market . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and then the next question is are we happy with the leadership of this project ? Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I think you've done a good job , Miss leader . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yes , yes you've done a good job .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , yeah , definitely . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And I think team work I think was very very good , I think we really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah I d I do too I think we worked well together as a team , yeah . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And uh I think we {disfmarker} are we happy with the means we used ? We used whiteboard , we didn't use digital p well digital pens I guess are these things .", "Marketing : Yeah maybe we could've used the whiteboard a little bit more , yeah ,", "User Interface : Whiteboard more , yes , yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , probably .", "Marketing : we didn't use that enough .", "Project Manager : Yes , we could . Uh , it's maybe not in the best position in the room um you know like sometimes it's positioned so that it's much better visible for everybody and I think from that point of view we sort of ignored it a little bit .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : And we used the slide because it was better positioned .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yes , I think so , I think absolutely ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : Mm I think that's true mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and fortunately we all had slides presentation which made it a little easier .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Um did we new {disfmarker} did we find new ideas ?", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I think we did .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , many .", "Marketing : I think we were we were very good , yeah , mm .", "Project Manager : I think we we did , uh in more than one respect and uh so I think we did very well here .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Okay .", "Project Manager : Are the costs within budget ? Yes , yes . Uh is the project evaluated ? Yes .", "Marketing : Yes , yes .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um then celebration . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Celebration .", "User Interface : Cel celebration {vocalsound} yes , yes . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Ah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Today we have apple juice and after we sell m million of 'em we have champagne . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So I {disfmarker} I thank you all very much . Um , I think this was very good and um", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I think we did come up with a new product that's uh feasible . Feasible from the production point of view and feasible from a marketing point of view .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So , thank you .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Thank you .", "Industrial Designer : Thank you very much .", "Marketing : Okay . Watch I I have my cord behind you here .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : I always get it on here , but getting it off is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Do we {disfmarker} do we have some time left ? Uh {disfmarker} you have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : They say it's forty minutes .", "Project Manager : Ah yes we have time later", "Marketing : But we we were told we could end the final meeting at any time , whenever we felt we were finished .", "Project Manager : but we don't {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , alright .", "Marketing : It'll take me the rest of the time to get my microphone out from my necklace . {vocalsound} Oh , there we go ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 69, 136 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation , questions", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if it was a battery like the only way. User Interface asked about control about how far away could be from the TV. Project Manager asked how far away was the television. Marketing asked about Bluetooth.", "title": "Questions About the Industrial Designer Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 27 ], [ 42, 48 ], 52 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "presentation , questions", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "After the Industrial Designer Presentation, Project Manager said if they got any questions. Marketing said if the battery was the only way of energy source. User Interface asked about how much control they have and how far away the infra-red signal goes. Marketing asked how about Bluetooth, instead of using infrared.", "title": "Questions About the Industrial Designer Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 27 ], [ 42, 48 ], 52 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "energy source", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they got an energy source, two batteries. Then it got asked if the battery was the only way, and answered that it wouldn't be plugged. Got asked about alternate energy, it said that charging batteries once every six months was not a pain.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 12 ], [ 27, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "energy source", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; fine on my screen; we've got the energy source; in our case; never mind; maybe uh two batteries; called; dunno; six; any question ; battery; only way of; just; don't want it plugged in really; alternate energy source; wind power; In Indoors; dunno; I th I th I think changing your batteries; every six months; not really a pain; worked; last fifty years", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Energy Sources", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 12 ], [ 27, 40 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : I think the first thing we should look at is um {vocalsound} probably the um what it is that it is actually supposed to be . So that's gonna be you Catherine ,", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : if we wanna hear from you first .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Um just connecting this .", "Project Manager : You don't have to worry about screwing it in just {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Are we getting i Really ?", "Project Manager : there you go .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Cool . Okay . So I've got a very quick uh {disfmarker} Uh . Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So the working design , I've got a very quick presentation on this , so um I've {disfmarker} oh no , you can't see a thing . {vocalsound} Oh well , I'm gonna draw it on the board then . It's in blue uh , and I couldn't change it .", "User Interface : Oh . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Ah .", "Industrial Designer : We it's fine on my screen , but never mind . So um {vocalsound} the idea is that we've got the energy source um , which in our case will pr , oh well {disfmarker} okay , never mind . So um I think maybe uh two batteries , I dunno what they're called {gap} six , or something like that .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh and then {vocalsound} um then on the uh remote control itself will have um the sender for the signal , which could be uh an infra-red signal , um which will be sent by an electronic chip . And uh the chip will be controlled by the user interface . So we'll hear about that later from Gabriel .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And uh the sender will send to the telly itself an infra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels . Um and that's it really for the working design .", "Project Manager : Great . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Sorry the presentation wasn't very uh clear but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally .", "Industrial Designer : Really ? Cool .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um , should I erase this or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Do you wanna just give us a moment , I just wanna copy this down .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this ?", "Industrial Designer : Fine . {vocalsound} Or suggestions ?", "Marketing : Is a battery like the only way of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , it's just , you don't want it plugged in really , s", "User Interface : Yeah , alternate energy source , like win wind power or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , you blow on it and i {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : In indoors . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No , no {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Bicycle power .", "Marketing : No I meant like {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No 'cause like cha 'cause {disfmarker} always changing um um batteries can get like annoying .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : The battery's down and {disfmarker} maybe {vocalsound} , I dunno , solar charged ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I dunno , swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's worked for the last fifty years you know .", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah .", "User Interface : One question I have , and I don't know how much control we have over this is um , as far as the infra-red signal , do we have control over , you know , how far away you can be from the receiving unit , the the T_V_ , and still have it be operational ? I mean , maybe we want one with a strong signal stream .", "Project Manager : How far away is your television ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's never gonna be more than it's never gonna be , you kno unless you've got a T_V_ the size of a football pitch , it's not {disfmarker} doesn't have to go that far ,", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , the thing is uh you you don't {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : does it ? Doesn't have to go through a wall , because you're not gonna be looking through a wall .", "User Interface : That's true .", "Marketing : Yeah , but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the {disfmarker} put the telephone down , and go into the other room . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well , we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it . I didn't think about that but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : How about Bluetooth ? {gap} Instead of using infra-red , use Bluetooth .", "Industrial Designer : Why not ? I just think that it's it's gonna cost more", "Marketing : Isn't that a better signal ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah I d it sounds like you {gap} you w don't wanna overcomplicate things .", "Industrial Designer : and I'm I'm not sure it's {disfmarker} you're gonna use it .", "Marketing : Mm {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : You know we don't need it .", "Industrial Designer : It's a fancy idea uh it's quite nice , but then I don't th I dunno , either you {disfmarker} if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , exactly .", "Industrial Designer : you are gonna {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Basically , we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a television remote control unit .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff . It's uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , we can we can keep the idea if you i We can see at a later stage , maybe , I don't {disfmarker}", "Marketing : 'S just an idea ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 24, 56 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "new project requirements , teletext , customers , corporate image", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The Project Manager said there were new project requirements such as not to support teletext in the remote, that the remote control had to be used only for television, the target customers had to be people younger than forty years old, and the remote had to reflect the corporate image. The Project Manager asked for questions to proceed with the presentations.", "title": "New Remote Project Requirements presented by the Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 26, [ 30, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "new project requirements , teletext , customers , corporate image", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The Project Manager said that there were new project requirements that had to be discussed and attended, those requirements were not to support teletext in the remote because internet was replacing it, the remote control had to be used only for television, it had to be focused on customers younger than forty years old, and it had to include the corporate image, such as the colours and the slogan. Finally, the Project Manager asked for questions on the requirements to proceed with the presentations.", "title": "New Remote Project Requirements presented by the Project Manager", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 26, [ 30, 32 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Okay . People , welcome back with the second meeting .", "User Interface : But it's alright .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um for now on the schedule are a few points . Uh first of all the opening , which we are doing now . Um second , I received um some new project requirements . I'm not sure if you received them as well , um but I will tell you about it .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um then um the three of you uh prepared a presentation , I think ? Sebastian ?", "Industrial Designer : I think so too .", "Project Manager : Roo ?", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Ruud ?", "Marketing : Almost . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Almost , okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last . Um the top goal of this m", "User Interface : But you can't upload your presentation from here , I believe .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um we will figure that out . Ca {vocalsound} can you try to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the {gap} .", "Project Manager : Yeah , w we will see .", "User Interface : I don't think it's wireless here .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker} it is , yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It is .", "User Interface : Or it is . Yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : It is .", "User Interface : Okay , great .", "Marketing : Uh okay .", "Project Manager : Um the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product , on the target group um and and the functions of the remote control , so keep that in mind . Um {vocalsound} we have forty minutes . So it's now {disfmarker} Yep . Okay . Um the new project requirements , first of all , um we didn't speak about it , but we should not um support teletext in the remote , um because our b um board uh feels that uh teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext . So um we are not even going to try to um implement it in our product . {vocalsound} It's a board decision . Um the remote control should only be used for television , because it's not uh f uh feasible , it's not uh w", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : uh uh {disfmarker} we we cannot make it because of the time to market um that we have to deal with .", "User Interface : Time , yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh the third requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than uh forty , {vocalsound} which is important for you , uh Ruud , and as well for uh Roo . Because the product should um be uh interesting and and uh should be bought by people younger than forty . Um {vocalsound} then for Roo , as well uh important , the corporate image should be recognisable in our product . So the colour colours and the slogan um do have to be uh in the product .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : Is that clear ? Any questions on these requirements ? No ? {vocalsound} Okay . Um the individual presentations , I th um Roo or Sebastian , who of you would like to start ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 214, 287 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation , Marketing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the younger generation had the money, because they didn't. User Interface would say the older people. Project Manager said that people that had the money were from the age of thirty-five to fifty. User Interface agreed. Project Manager added that it was a minority there.", "title": "Group Discussion about Marketing Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 35 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "presentation , Marketing", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the younger generation had the money, because they didn't. User Interface would say the older people. Project Manager said, most people that had the money were people from the age of thirty-five to fifty-five. User Interface said that it would be their guess as well. Project Manager added that they worked for twenty years, and that it was quite a minority there.", "title": "Group Discussion about Marketing Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 35 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "repetitive strain", "speaker": "User Interface ; Marketing ; Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing told them a thing called RSI, so wrist sense. User interface said repetitive strain injury, and Marketing said, people who watch TV too often, changing channels hurt their wrists. Project Manager said, they need to cover their backs, so people won't get repetitive strain injuries.", "title": "Marketing, User Interface and Project Manager Talking about Repetitive Strain", "relevant_turns": [ [ 41, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "repetitive strain", "speaker": "User Interface ; Marketing ; Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing; with buttons; thing called RSI; wrist sense; User Interface; repetitive strain injury; Marketing; people who watch TV; too often; changing channels; hurt their wrists; Project Manager; have a look; designing the ergonomics; cover our backs; people aren't gonna sue; your remote; gave.", "title": "Marketing, User Interface and Project Manager Talking about Repetitive Strain", "relevant_turns": [ [ 41, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "older generation", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing said that it takes much time for the older generation to learn a remote, and these get lost easily, so tracking was a good idea. Also, they didn't want a voice-activated one. After that Project Manager said that it was the older generation, they were the ones that have gone out.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Talking about the Older Generation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 11 ], [ 17, 23 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "older generation", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing; takes too much time; how to use a new remote; for the older generation; their grandmother; takes ages to work how to use; remotes often get lost; nobody can find them; tracking devices; good idea; the majority; didn't want a voice activated one; neither; older generation; Project Manager; older generation; have gone out.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Talking about the Older Generation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 11 ], [ 17, 23 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : oh . {vocalsound} Come on . Right . Okay . {gap} . Okay . Well , for our marketing report uh we observed remote control users in a usability lab , and also gave {disfmarker} so this is research {disfmarker} and we also gave participants um questionnaires to fill out . Um total number of people tested were a hundred just so you know , so that hundred people were tested and these were the findings . So seventy five per cent of users find the remote control ugly . Okay , so they don't like the look of the remote control . Um eighty f eighty per cent of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy . So I think we all agree with that . Um {vocalsound} current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user . So , they don't like {disfmarker} like the way they operate it doesn't like match how people behave . Um {gap} per cent of the users say that they only use ten per cent of the buttons on a remote , so probably if you have like one , two , three , four , five , the whole up to z ten , they probably don't use those , they only use the up and down channel .", "Project Manager : 'Cause we've only got five channels . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} {vocalsound} exactly .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} That's another thing . {vocalsound} Um seventy five per cent of users say they zap . Not quite sure what they mean , zap , goes like {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : I think that's k flicking quickly between channels .", "User Interface : Yeah , you wanna navigate the channels quickly I guess .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm . Um takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . I think especially for uh the older generation . I know my grandmother doesn't like mobile phones , takes ages to work how to use . Anyway um and they also {disfmarker} remotes often get lost in the room , so nobody can find them .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} So maybe tracking devices is a good idea .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Wow .", "Marketing : Um personal preferences . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : You are a child of technology , aren't you ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um so yeah um {vocalsound} I was thinking something easy to use , especially for older people . Um {vocalsound} has to look really cool , flashy groovy for people to buy it . And it's easy to find {vocalsound} , so I don't know whether maybe {disfmarker} and also we asked them whether they wanted {vocalsound} {disfmarker} whether they'd be interested in um {vocalsound} voice activating .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So voice activation . So and this was what we came up with . Then if you look fifteen to twenty five {disfmarker} this is age , sorry , {gap} age groups . So fifteen to twenty five said like ninety two {disfmarker} ninety one per cent of them said yes .", "Project Manager : So there you go , yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} so basically the majority except for the forty five to fifty five year olds for some reason didn't want a voice activated one . And neither did the older generation , but the younger generation who we are catering for , like who have most of the money nowadays , do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh but do the younger generation have the money ? They they don't .", "User Interface : No I would I would say the older the older people , yeah .", "Project Manager : It's older generation , they're the ones that have gone out and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well the twenty five to thirty five year old , and thirty five , and the thirty five to forty five , forty five point seven per cent {gap} say no , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : People people from the age of thirty f there's a big drop off there .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : For people up to the age of thirty five , you're kinda saying , yeah , they want it . Um but no they're not {gap} sort of {disfmarker} most people that have the money are people from the age of thirty five to fifty five ,", "User Interface : Yeah , that would be my guess as well .", "Project Manager : uh 'cause they're the ones that have been working for twenty years .", "Marketing : So they don't {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} d and tha", "Marketing : Well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : and that's a {vocalsound} that's quite a minority there , so yeah , it's not even like fifty fifty that's th thirty five per cent .", "Marketing : These guys are growing up . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : What about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost ? I mean if if it's twelve fifty per unit .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : I mean , okay , there's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Voice activation might not be the best .", "Project Manager : I would say scra I'd say scrap that straight off .", "User Interface : Uh .", "Marketing : Um also with um with buttons , {vocalsound} a thing called R_S_I_ , so wrist sense {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Repetitive strain uh rep repetitive strain injury", "Marketing : Huh ?", "User Interface : or like from doing {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , repetitive strains injury , so they don't {disfmarker} I think people who watch T_V_ maybe too often , keep changing channel hurts their wrist .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well {vocalsound} maybe they shouldn't watch so much T_V_ then . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I don't think so . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So y so it's so it's so you got {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : so that's something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : maybe not so hard .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : see {vocalsound} have a look if um there's any w any medical background we can find out about this .", "Industrial Designer : Maybe it could be , instead of pressing button it could be just touching a {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Let's jus {gap}", "Marketing : Maybe {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : we just want {disfmarker} need to cover our arses so that people aren't gonna sue us in ten years' time , say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury .", "User Interface : Yeah , we should probably consult with our legal department uh .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} They're having a lunch break at the moment , but {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : I'll see if I can get {disfmarker} see if I can get hold of them for the next meeting .", "User Interface : Yeah . I think we can do some really {disfmarker} in in that department , the the ergonomic department , we can make some some really good improvements .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm . Maybe th the buttons not so high up so you don't have to press so much ,", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : or we just like flat buttons , something . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So that is me ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 25, "turns": [ 553, 645 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "idea", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D misspoke, they thought one should do the constructions and said the similarity of the idea was going to be sort of like what Nancy did and how one could go from top to bottom and have a complete story of some piece of dialogue.", "title": "A Complete Story of a Dialogue Piece", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "idea", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D talked of misspeaking about doing the construction and said the idea would be similar to what Nancy did to some of the papers where one did enough of them.", "title": "Nancy's Action on Some of the Papers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "constructions", "speaker": "Grad B , Professor D" }, "summary": "Grad B said they had talked to some subset of the people in the group, at least about the sort of constructions being looked for. 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So what I {disfmarker} yeah , OK , {disfmarker} So what {disfmarker} what I meant was \" Do a first cut at \" .", "Grad B : er {disfmarker} that 's what Yeah , yeah .", "Professor D : OK , Because uh {disfmarker} we do wanna get them r u perfectly {disfmarker} but I think we 're gonna have to do a first cut at a lot of them to see how they interact .", "Grad B : Of course . Right , exactly . Now it {disfmarker} w we talked about this before , right . And I {disfmarker} I me it would it would be completely out of the question to really do more than , say , like , oh I don't know , ten , over the summer ,", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad B : but uh , but you know obviously we need to get sort of a general view of what things look like , so yeah .", "Professor D : Right . So the idea is going to be to do {disfmarker} sort of like Nancy did in some of the er these papers where you do enough of them so you can go from top to bottom {disfmarker} so you can do f you know , f f uh {disfmarker} have a complete story ov of s of some piece of dialogue .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : And that 's gonna be much more useful than having all of the clausal constructions and nothing else , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or something like that .", "Grad B : Yeah . Sure . Yeah .", "Professor D : So that the {disfmarker} the trick is going to be t to take this and pick a {disfmarker} some sort of lattice of constructions ,", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : so some lexical and some phrasal , and {disfmarker} and , you know ,", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : whatever you need in order to uh , be able to then , uh , by hand , you know , explain , some fraction of the utterances .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Professor D : And so , exactly which ones will partly depend on your research interests and a bunch of other things .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm . Sure . OK . But I mean in terms of the s th sort of level of uh {disfmarker} of analysis , you know , these don't necessarily have to be more complex than like the \" Out of \" construction in the BCP paper where it 's just like , you know , half a page on each one or something .", "Professor D : Correct . Oh yeah {disfmarker} yeah . V a half a page is {disfmarker} is what we 'd like .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Professor D : And if {disfmarker} if there 's something that really requires a lot more than that then it does and we have to do it ,", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Professor D : but {disfmarker}", "Grad B : For the first cut , that should be fine , yeah .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad C : We could sit down and think of sort of the {disfmarker} the ideal speaker utterances ,", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : and I mean two or three that follow each other , so , where we can also sort of , once we have everything up and running , show the tremendous , insane inferencing capabilities of our system .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : So , you know , as {disfmarker} as the SmartKom people have . This is sort of their standard demo dialogue , which is , you know , what the system survives and nothing but that .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : Um , we could also sor sort of have the analogen of o our sample sentences , the ideal sentences where we have complete construction coverage and , sort of , they match nicely .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : So the {disfmarker} the \" How do I get to X ? \" ,", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Grad C : you know , that 's definitely gonna be uh , a major one .", "Grad B : Yeah . That 's about six times in this little one here , so uh , {vocalsound} yeah .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Professor D : Right .", "Grad C : \" Where is X ? \" might be another one which is not too complicated .", "Grad B : Yeah . Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : And um \" Tell me something about X . \"", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Grad C : And hey , that 's {disfmarker} that 's already covering eighty percent of the system 's functionality .", "Professor D : Ye - Right , but it 's not covering eighty percent of the intellectual interest .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Grad C : No , we can w throw in an \" Out of Film \" construction if you want to , but {disfmarker}", "Professor D : No , no , no . Well the {disfmarker} th the thing is there 's a lot that needs to be done to get this right .", "Grad C : OK .", "Professor D : OK , I th We done ?", "Grad C : I have one bit of news .", "Professor D : Good .", "Grad C : Um , the action planner guy has wrote {disfmarker} has written a {disfmarker} a p lengthy {disfmarker} proposal on how he wants to do the action planning .", "Professor D : Good .", "Grad C : And I responded to him , also rather lengthy , how he should do the action planning . And {disfmarker}", "Professor D : \" Action planning \" meaning \" Discourse Modeling \" ?", "Grad C : Yes . And I tacked on a little paragraph about the fact that the whole world calls that module a dis disc dialogue manager ,", "Professor D : Right .", "Grad C : and wouldn't it make sense to do this here too ?", "Professor D : Right .", "Grad C : And also Rainer M Malaka is going to be visiting us shortly , most likely in the beginning of June .", "Professor D : Uh - huh , I 'll be gone .", "Grad C : Yeah . He - he 's just in a conference somewhere and he is just swinging through town .", "Professor D : Sure , OK .", "Grad C : And um {disfmarker} m making me incapable of going to NAACL , for which I had funding . But . No , no Pittsburg this year .", "Grad B : Hmm .", "Grad C : When is the uh Santa Barbara ?", "Professor D : S", "Grad C : Who is going to ? uh should a lot of people . That 's something I will {disfmarker} would {disfmarker} sort of enjoy .", "Professor D : Probably should go . That was {disfmarker} that 's one you should probably go to .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Grad B : How much does it cost ?", "Grad C : There 's", "Grad B : I haven't planned to go .", "Professor D : Uh , probably we can uh {disfmarker} pay for it .", "Grad B : OK .", "Professor D : Um a student rate shouldn't be very high . So , if we all decide it 's a good idea for you to go then you 'll {disfmarker} we 'll pay for it .", "Grad B : Right . Sure .", "Undergrad E : Then you can go .", "Professor D : I mean I {disfmarker} I don't have a feeling one way or the other at the moment ,", "Grad B : OK .", "Professor D : but it probably is . OK , great .", "Grad B : Thanks ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 31, "turns": [ 56, 78 ] }, "references": [], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound} Dunno .", "Industrial Designer : Makes sense , makes sense .", "User Interface : And that {disfmarker} yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Also good for animals .", "User Interface : Yeah . See . {gap} things {gap} . {gap} . Why's my screen crazy ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker} Well let's see . I'm going to bore you with a couple of descriptions of the interior .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Just to to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there , and that we do have to fit the stuff in there . I've more information on possible materials um as well . What we can and cannot do . Um but let's just wait for this to load up and I'll show you what we're talking about here . Okay . The details of the components' design , as you can see there , what we have is the board , main board of the remote control . {vocalsound} The underside , that's pretty cheap piece of of technology really {gap} top left side you can see the chip , which is the , what we were talking about , this was is the device to recognise the signals the input , and it passes it on to a row of um further transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplify the signal , which later on is being , is being transferred to a infrared lamp which then um of course shines infrared light onto the television which then will recognise what signal um it's getting and will do what you tell it . Um {disfmarker} So much for the the workings of the of the uh remote control itself . {vocalsound} Its job is to wait for you to press a key , then to translate that key press into infrared light signals , um that are received by the television . When you press a key um you complete a specific connection . The chip senses the connection and knows what button you pressed . It produces a morse code line signal specific to that button . Right . Pretty clear . Transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the m sends the signal to the L_E_D_ which translates the signal into infrared light . The sensor in the T_V_ can see the infrared light , and seeing the signal reacts appropriately . This is the circuit board from the other side . Um the lower part of it , I don't know if you can see that properly , with the green greenish board is is what we what we saw in the first the first slide just flipped over . Um you can see the circuit board itself . That's the cheapest uh way to make electronic connections basically on the market . Um what you do is you have , don't have cables , but you have the connections actually in these in these lines on the on the board . These are the actual keys that are being pressed . They close the electric circuit . That then sends the signal to the chip on the other side . That would be behind here . Um which uh sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff that", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there . Now as you can see this is the the rubber button version of it . {vocalsound} Um the way it works is that you have the keys here . The rubber button has a little metal uh plate on the other side , which closes the circuit here . And thus gives on the signal . Now this is the simple version . {vocalsound} Um we are talking um this this the simple and cheapest version at the same time . We are talking something more complicated of course , it's going to be more expensive as well . And not only that . Um we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell , or in the material that we could use for our outer shell . Um {vocalsound} I've gotten some information that we could use for the case material plastic , rubber , as well . Um rubber that is used in these anti-stress balls . So it's pretty squishy . That would that would serve that purpose .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Spongy ?", "Industrial Designer : Um {vocalsound} we could also use wood , or titanium .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} What's the approximate per hundred thousand for the titanium ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Oh fya", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't have an information on that . However our company {vocalsound} obviously can provide us with uh with the titanium , so I assume , I'm , I was given an okay to use it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It certainly is an expensive material ," ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 5, "turns": [ 553, 725 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "bias", "speaker": "Professor E , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Professor E mentioned that every time anything was said a bias has to presented and that the transcript should be worded in a way to give very strongly the bias needed to be used on the data. Postdoc F agreed that their bias should be expressed there.", "title": "Need to Express Bias", "relevant_turns": [ 9, [ 31, 35 ], 81 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "bias", "speaker": "Professor E , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Professor E; any time you say anything to anyone there's in fact a bias that would be presented; I just want it to be worded in such a way where it gives the strong impre it gives very, I mean nothing hidden, very strongly the bias that we would really like to use all of these data; I don't think there's anything in the legal aspects that that's hurt by our expressing that bias; Postdoc F; I agree that our bias should be as as expressed here.", "title": "Need to Express Bias", "relevant_turns": [ 9, [ 31, 35 ], 81 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "question", "speaker": "Postdoc F , Professor E" }, "summary": "Postdoc F asked about the legal whether they needed a concrete signature, or email and that doesn't know how it works. Professor E suggests that email would be okay because they would be signing there that they're agreeing to the you'll be given an opportunity paragraph.", "title": "Legal Question", "relevant_turns": [ [ 59, 68 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "question", "speaker": "Postdoc F , Professor E" }, "summary": "Postdoc F said there was this other question, the legal question that Adam's raised, about whether they need a concrete signature, or email or whatever; Professor E suggested it's fine to do the email.", "title": "Legal Question", "relevant_turns": [ [ 59, 68 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcript", "speaker": "Grad C , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Grad C said that they'll ask for permission to include the data in the corpus Once the transcript was available and any sections preferred to have excised from the database could be indicated and removed from the transcript. Postdoc F added or if there were errors in the transcript that didn't get detected.", "title": "Transcript Recording", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 23 ], [ 85, 87 ], 104 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "transcript", "speaker": "Grad C , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Grad C said once a transcript was available they shall ask the permission to include the data in the corpus for the larger research community and that would be allowed to indicate any sections that had preferred to have excised from the database, and they'll be removed both from the transcript and the recording and that the only time that someone would need to listen to it would be if the transcript was not good; Postdoc F said that the transcript would be a close enough approximation and that double checking shall be so close to absolutely perfect that nothing would slip by.", "title": "Transcript Recording", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 23 ], [ 85, 87 ], 104 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "Professor E , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Professor E suggested to go over the way notes to people have been worded to avoid people bleeping stuff out; Postdoc F added that they shouldn't emphasize that people shouldn't borrow trouble.", "title": "Wording Notes for Peoples Opinions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 39 ], 84, [ 114, 123 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "people", "speaker": "Professor E , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Professor E said got an idea that may satisfy both of them in this which they just go over carefully how the notes to people shall be worded since people might start bleeping stuff out just because they could. So they might get some feedback from people that really what they said; Postdoc F said they shouldn't emphasize that people shouldn't borrow trouble and also the lawyer saying that they shouldn't really have them have the people believing that they'll be cleared by the checks.", "title": "Wording Notes for Peoples Opinions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 31, 39 ], 84, [ 114, 123 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E" }, "summary": "Grad C said to keep interface times until releasing data and then bleep it because they have to have two copies of every meeting and they're already short of disk space. Also because it doesn't automatically bleep it at the time, it sends time intervals and so they have to be incorporated all and put bleeps but only until data has been released. Professor E said had fun when played something that was bleeped out.", "title": "Interface Time", "relevant_turns": [ [ 41, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "time", "speaker": "Grad C , Professor E" }, "summary": "Professor E; I kind of had fun when you played me something that was bleeped out; Grad C; they won't get that feedback; it doesn't automatically bleep it at the time; It just sends me the time intervals.", "title": "Interface Time", "relevant_turns": [ [ 41, 57 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "available", "speaker": "Grad C , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Grad C said that once transcript was available they'll ask for permission to include data in the corpus. Postdoc F added that it doesn't say it'll be sent to them or available on the web.", "title": "Making Transcript Available", "relevant_turns": [ 15, [ 25, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "available", "speaker": "Grad C , Postdoc F" }, "summary": "Grad C; Once a transcript it's available we'll ask your permission to include the data in the corpus for the larger research community; They just have to make sure that it's available to them; Postdoc F; it doesn't really say we'll send it to you, or it'll be available for you on the web; It's available to them if they ask for it.", "title": "Making Transcript Available", "relevant_turns": [ 15, [ 25, 31 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : D you want me to grab one ?", "Postdoc F : Sh - sh well I could {disfmarker} I 'm closer .", "Grad C : Yeah , but you 're wired", "Postdoc F : I could {disfmarker}", "Grad C : aren't you ?", "Postdoc F : Yeah . That is true .", "Professor E : Um . {vocalsound} Yeah , I mean I don't wanna fool them ,", "Postdoc F : I don't know {disfmarker}", "Professor E : I just meant that e every {disfmarker} ev any time you say anything to anyone there is in fact a {disfmarker} a bias that is presented ,", "Postdoc F : Oh yeah yeah {disfmarker} oh I know .", "Professor E : right ?", "Grad C : \" If you agree to participate you 'll have the opportunity to have anything ex anything excised , which you would prefer not to have included in the data set . \"", "Professor E : of {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Yeah that 's true . Yeah .", "Grad C : \" Once a transcript is available we will ask your permission to include the data in the corpus for the r larger research community .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : There again you will be allowed to indicate any sections that you 'd prefer to have excised from the database , and they will m be removed both from the transcript and the recording . \"", "Postdoc F : Hmm . Well that 's more open than I realized .", "Grad C : Well , I mean it {disfmarker} The one question is definitely clear with anything as opposed to just what you said .", "Professor E : I {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor E : Yeah , uh no that {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} tha", "Postdoc F : Tha - that 's true . That 's more severe , but the next one says the transcript will be around .", "Professor E : that 's right .", "Postdoc F : And it doesn't {comment} really say we 'll send it to you , or wi it 'll be available for you on the web , or anything .", "PhD B : I think it probably leaves it open how we get it to them .", "Professor E : I I {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : At least it more often . Yeah . It means also we don't have to g To give it to them . I mean like {disfmarker} like Morgan was saying they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker}", "Grad C : They just have to make sure that it is available to them .", "Postdoc F : It 's available to them if they ask for it .", "Professor E : Yeah , OK , so . wh um {disfmarker} I think I have an idea that may be sat may satisfy both you and me in this which is , um , it 's a {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} we just go over carefully how these notes to people are worded . So I {disfmarker} I just want it to be worded in such a way where it gives the strong impre it gives very , I mean nothing hidden , v very strongly the bias that we would really like to use all of these data .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : That {disfmarker} that we really would rather it wasn't a patchwork of things tossed out ,", "Postdoc F : Good .", "Professor E : that it would be better for , um , our , uh , field if that is the case . But if you really think something is gonna {disfmarker} And I don't think there 's anything in the legal aspects that {disfmarker} that is hurt by our expressing that bias .", "Postdoc F : Great . Great , great .", "Professor E : And then {disfmarker} then my concern about {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Yeah . I agree .", "Professor E : you know you might be right , it may be it was just paranoia on my part , uh but people just {disfmarker} See I 'm @ @ worried about this interface so much fun {vocalsound} that people start bleeping stuff out {comment} {vocalsound} just as {disfmarker} just because they can .", "Grad C : It 's just a check box next to the text , it 's not any fun at all .", "Professor E : Yeah . Well I don't know . I kind of had fun when you played me something that was bleeped out . You know .", "Grad C : Well , but they won't get that feedback .", "Professor E : I", "Grad C : All {disfmarker} no because it doesn't automatically bleep it at the time .", "Professor E : Oh they won't ?", "Grad C : It just sends me {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Oh good . So you haven't made it so much fun .", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : Oh good .", "Grad C : It just sends me the time intervals .", "Professor E : OK ,", "Grad C : And then at some point I 'll incorporate them all and put bleeps . I mean I don't wanna have t ha do that yet until we actually release the data", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : because um , then we have to have two copies of every meeting and we 're already short on disk space .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : So I {disfmarker} I wanna {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} just keep the times until we actually wanna release the data and then we bleep it .", "Professor E : OK . Alright , so I think {disfmarker} Yeah so if we have if {disfmarker} i Again let 's you know , sort of circulate the {disfmarker} the wording on each of these things and get it right ,", "Grad C : Well since you seem to feel heart uh , strongest about it , would you like to do the first pass ?", "Professor E : but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} OK . Uh , fair enough . Turn about is fair play ,", "Postdoc F : Al - Also it ther there is this other question , the legal question that {disfmarker} that Adam 's raised , uh about whether we need a concrete signature , or email c i suffices or whatever", "Professor E : Sorry .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : and I don't know how that works . i There 's something down there about \" if you agree to {disfmarker} \"", "Professor E : I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I thought {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I thought about it with one of my background processes", "Grad C : I don't think so .", "Professor E : and I {disfmarker} uh it 's {disfmarker} uh it 's uh , it 's fine to do the email .", "Postdoc F : Ah . Fine .", "Grad C : Yeah because thi th they 're signing here that they 're agreeing to the paragraph which says \" you 'll be given an opportunity . \"", "Professor E : OK .", "Postdoc F : Good . OK .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : And so I don't think they need another signature .", "Professor E : And {disfmarker} Well and furthermore I {disfmarker} it 's now fairly routine in a lot of arrangements that I do with people on contracts and so forth that {disfmarker} that uh if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's that sort of thing where you 're you 're saying uh \" OK I agree , we want eighty hours of this person at such - and - such amount , and I agree that 's OK , \" uh if it 's a follow up to some other agreement where there was a signature it 's often done in email now", "Grad C : Right .", "Professor E : so it 's {disfmarker} it 's OK .", "Postdoc F : Great .", "Professor E : Um .", "Grad C : So I guess I probably should at the minimum , think about how to present it in a printed form . I 'm not really sure what 's best with that . The problem is a lot of them are really short ,", "Postdoc F : Well {disfmarker}", "Grad C : and so I don't necessarily wanna do one per line . But I don't know how else to do it .", "Postdoc F : Well I s I also have this {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think it 's nice you have it uh , viewab her {comment} hearable on the {disfmarker} on the web for those who might wonder about um , the non nonverbal side , I mean I {disfmarker} I agree that our bias should be as {disfmarker} as expressed here , and {disfmarker} but I {disfmarker} I think it 's nice that a person could check . Cuz sometimes you know you {disfmarker} the words on a {disfmarker} on the page , come out soun sounding different in terms of the {pause} social dynamics if they hear it .", "Grad C : Hmm .", "Professor E : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : And I realize we shouldn't emphasize that people {comment} you know , shouldn't borrow trouble . What it comes down to but {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Yeah I think actually {disfmarker} my opinion probably is that the only time someone will need to listen to it is if the transcript is uh not good . You know , if {disfmarker} if there are lots of mumbles and parentheses and things like that .", "Postdoc F : Oh , you know , or what if there was an error in the transcript that didn't get detected and there was a whole uh {disfmarker} i segment a against some {disfmarker} {vocalsound} personal {vocalsound} i th", "Grad C : Right . That was all mumbled ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad C : I think Microsoft is", "Postdoc F : Yeah exactly", "PhD A : Oh ,", "Grad C : Sorry transcribers .", "Postdoc F : Or {disfmarker} or even {disfmarker} {vocalsound} or even {comment} there was a {disfmarker} a line you know about how \" hmm - mmm - mmm {comment} Bill Gates duh - duh - duh - duh . \"", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : but {disfmarker} but it was all {disfmarker} the words were all visible , but they didn't end up i some there was a slip in the transcript .", "PhD A : Oh , God .", "Grad C : They 're gonna hate this meeting .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah that 's true .", "Grad C : Actually Liz will like it . You know , but .", "Professor E : Liz will like it . We had a pretty strong disagreement going there .", "Grad C : Yep , yep , that 's right .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : Yeah . So I don't know . I mean , I {disfmarker} I guess we 're assuming that the transcript is a close enough approximation and that {disfmarker} that my double checking will be {pause} so close to absolutely perfect that it {disfmarker} that nothing will slip by .", "Grad C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : But it {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} some something might sometime , and they {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if it 's something that they said , they might {disfmarker} i i I mean , you might be very accurate in putting down what they actually said ,", "Postdoc F : Mm - hmm .", "Professor E : but , when they hear it , themselves , they may hear something different because they know what they meant .", "Postdoc F : I don't know how to notate that .", "PhD B : Sarcasm ,", "Postdoc F : Yeah , that 's right .", "PhD B : how do you {disfmarker} how do you indicate sarcasm ?", "Postdoc F : Yeah that 's right .", "Professor E : No , I 'm serious . So {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} i the {disfmarker} so we might {disfmarker} we might get some feedback from people that such - and - such was , you know , not {disfmarker} not really what I said .", "Grad C : Yeah . Well that would be good to get , definitely .", "Professor E : Yeah , but , Yeah , sure .", "Grad C : Just for corrections .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad C : So um , in terms of password distribution , I think phone is really the only way to do it , phone and in person . Or mail , physical mail .", "Postdoc F : Yeah . Or if for leave it on their voice mail .", "PhD B : Any sub - word level thing .", "Grad C : Any sub - wor Yeah , OK . I mean you could do it with PGP or things like that but it 's too complex .", "Postdoc F : You know I just realized something , which is of {disfmarker} e th this question about the {disfmarker} uh the possible mismatch of {disfmarker} I mean i well , and actually also the lawyer saying that um , we shouldn't really have them {disfmarker} have the people believing that they will be cleared by our checks . You know ?", "Professor E : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc F : I mean . So it 's like i in a way it 's {disfmarker} it 's nice to have the responsibility still on them to listen to the tape and {disfmarker} and hear the transcript , to have that be the {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Well yeah , but you can't dep I mean , most people will not wanna take the time to do that , though .", "Postdoc F : Yeah , OK , fair enough . And they 're s they 're absorbing the responsibility themselves .", "Professor E : And they {disfmarker} they have to {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : So it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not um {disfmarker} Yeah , good .", "Professor E : But I mean if you were at a meeting , and {disfmarker} and you {disfmarker} you don't think , at least , that you said anything funny and the meeting was about , you know , some {disfmarker} some funny thing about semantics or something , or uh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : You probably won't listen to it .", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : It is true that tec that the content is technical , I {disfmarker} and so i and we 're not having these discussions which {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Postdoc F : I {disfmarker} I mean , when I listen to these things , I don't find things that are questionable , in other people 's speech or in my own .", "Professor E : Yeah . You would think it would be rare ,", "Postdoc F : Just {disfmarker} It should be very rare .", "Professor E : I mean we 're not talking about the energy crisis or something , people have {disfmarker}", "Postdoc F : Yeah . Yeah , OK .", "Grad C : How about them energy crises .", "Professor E : Yeah . I think we 're uh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Done ?", "Professor E : Kind of done . Actually , I was gonna {disfmarker} Di - Did you have anything n that 's going on , or {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Not really . No . Um , {vocalsound} my project is going along but um , I 'm really just here to um fill the project uh {disfmarker} the overall progress . I don't really have anything specific to {disfmarker} to talk about .", "Professor E : Yeah . That 's fine . I just didn't wanna go by you , if you had something .", "Grad D : Oh , OK .", "Professor E : You don't have anything to say .", "PhD B : No .", "Professor E : Nah .", "Grad C :", "Professor E : Transcribers , he was rattling the b marbles in his brain back and forth just then this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Shall we do digits ?", "Professor E : Oh yeah .", "Grad C : Um , oh by the way I did find a bunch {disfmarker}", "Grad D : It um", "Grad C : Uh , we should count out how many more digits to forms do we have back there ?", "PhD B : There were quite a few . Uh .", "Grad C : That 's what I thought . I f I was going through them all and I found actually a lot filed in with them , that were blanks , that no one had actually read .", "PhD B : Mmm .", "Grad C : And so we still have more than I thought we did .", "PhD B : Oh good .", "Grad C : So , we have a few more digits before we 're done .", "PhD B : You know having this headset reminds me of like working at Burger King or something .", "Grad C : Oops .", "Postdoc F : Oh , did you do that ?", "PhD A : Burger King", "Grad C : I 'd like a burger with that ,", "PhD B : No I never did .", "Grad C : do you want fries with that ?", "Professor E : Wow .", "PhD B : But I feel like I could now .", "Grad C : And {pause}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 343, 516 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "extra designs , gadgets , remote control special", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "To make the remote more special, Project Manager proposed to implement a gadget that would make noise when the remote got lost. Light that could flash and a can opener were thrown as ideas. Marketing liked the can opener idea because television and beer went together. The remote could have bouncing pads so that it could be thrown on the floor. The remote's design would be flashy and definitely had big buttons. Swappable front or in different colors, quite big, visible and look nice on a table. A special base could be made, with a call button. It could be chargeable. Project Manager stressed the remote should be sturdy, could make some noise, a cheap light thing. An eye-catching shape and a stand-up thing would make it special.", "title": "Gadgets that Make the Remote Special", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 10, 12, 18, 24, [ 28, 30 ], [ 36, 37 ], 45, [ 54, 55 ], 70, 83, 122, 136 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "extra designs , gadgets , remote control special", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested the remote made noise or some gadget kind of thing with a light that could flash. A feature that no remote contained that would make the very remote special. A sturdy design with bouncing pads would let the remote be thrown on the floor. It should last a long time. Remote had to be user-friendly, with big buttons and flashy design. Marketing suggested a swappable front. Or just different colors. It had to be quite big so that it was visible from anywhere in a room and look nice when put somewhere on a table. The remote could have a base with a button and the remote could make noise. The remote could be rechargeable with some cheap light incorporated with a nice-looking shape.", "title": "Details of the Special Features of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 2, 10, 12, 18, 24, [ 28, 30 ], [ 36, 37 ], 45, [ 54, 55 ], 70, 83, 122, 136 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost , rechargeable units , device , extra designs , gadgets , remote control special", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said production costs were not known yet, but the final cost of the remote control would be twenty-five Euros. For such a price people wanted to buy something special and the money must be spent on rechargeable units. In order to reduce the costs of rechargeable units, those would be made in Taiwan. Recharger could be skipped in order to cut costs. Anything possible within the costs established would be done.", "title": "Rechargeable Units and Their Costs", "relevant_turns": [ [ 86, 90 ], 94, 109, 117, 122, 128, 136, 141, 143 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost , rechargeable units , device , extra designs , gadgets , remote control special", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; we don't know much about production cost; when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control, then the money there must be money to spend on that kind of, rechargeable units; we'd do it in Taiwan; when it's too costly, you could probably skip the recharger; it isn't a most costly remote control; save on the functions; for twenty five Euros people want something remote special from your mote control; we will see what's possible concerning the costs, and if it's possible we'll do that. And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing; the most likeable thing to skip is the recharge function. If that's too expensive, we won't do that.", "title": "Costs of Rechargeable Units of the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 86, 90 ], 94, 109, 117, 122, 128, 136, 141, 143 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rechargeable units , device , extra designs , gadgets , remote control special", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer expressed concerns about the rechargeable units of the remote control by asking questions about its utility and practicality. There were doubts about the remote's handiness in regard to the rechargeable base the Project Manager was proposing. The Industrial Designer said it was ugly to connect the base to an outlet. The battery life of the remote control was discussed, and The Industrial Designer questioned the rechargeable function because batteries lasted long enough, and were cheaper.", "title": "Industrial Designer Shows Concerns About the Rechargeable Units", "relevant_turns": [ [ 83, 87 ], [ 90, 91 ], [ 100, 114 ], [ 159, 161 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "rechargeable units , device , extra designs , gadgets , remote control special", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer questioned the utility and handiness of rechargeable units available on the market in regard to the remote control. It was noted that such functions were hardly needed due to long battery life nowadays. Two batteries were enough to last for two or even three years, what made sense to question the rechargeable functions of the remote considered by the team. Paying for the unit, such as rechargeable base, and using it only from time to time was not justified.", "title": "Rechargeable Units: Concerns of the Industrial Designer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 83, 87 ], [ 90, 91 ], [ 100, 114 ], [ 159, 161 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery , rechargeable , beep", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "Rechargeable base would be an alternative for batteries. Batteries nowadays lasted two or three years, and most televisions broke down before the battery pack was empty. The remote could beep anytime the battery was down or out. People didn't like to think about buying batteries. It was annoying to run out of batteries.", "title": "Batteries or the Recharger", "relevant_turns": [ 83, 108, [ 147, 150 ], 157, 159 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "battery , rechargeable , beep", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "you don't need batteries; make it chargeable; last two, three years, with two batteries; never have to buy any batteries; annoying when battery is empty; televisions break down before the battery pack is empty; beep when the battery's out; you won't have if you have the rechargeable.", "title": "Battery Life in the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 83, 108, [ 147, 150 ], 157, 159 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "special , euros , cost", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The remote would cost twenty-five Euros, hence it had to be special. Team had to check if production cost of twelve Euros would allow making it special. Spending twenty five Euros on a remote control would mean for a customer that the product was not so basic but also had unique rechargeable units and was worth its price. To analyse possible costs of implementing special functions would be needed.", "title": "Costs Analyse Regarding Special Functions of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 14 ], 20, 66, [ 90, 94 ], 109, 117, 122, 128, 142 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "special , euros , cost", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The basic design of the remote would require something special to justify its cost of twenty-five Euros. The production cost of twelve and a half Euros needed an investigation process that made it clear what kind of special functions could be achieved within the allocated budget. It was clear the money spent on a remote would make its user be sure of special functions placed in the device. Rechargeable units came to mind, although the idea would be skipped if it was too costly.", "title": "Special Remote Control Within 25 Euros", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 14 ], 20, 66, [ 90, 94 ], 109, 117, 122, 128, 142 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions , base", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "The new remote control might get a compatible base in order to make it more modern and user-friendly. The base would have a call button incorporated that would be able to indicate the remote control's location in case the remote got lost. The concept was simple and brilliant. It would be enough to push the button of the base and the remote would make noise.", "title": "The Functionality of Button in the Remote's Base", "relevant_turns": [ 30, 70, [ 75, 81 ], 111, 122, 149, [ 162, 166 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functions , base", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager; big buttons; Marketing; in the base we could like make a button, and if you push it, the remote control itself makes noise; when it gets lost; you press the button; of the base; put some simple button in; they're seeking for the remote control, they wanna see something quick and just push the button; it's brilliant; it's so simple, but I've never seen it.", "title": "Base and Button in the Remote Control Concept", "relevant_turns": [ 30, 70, [ 75, 81 ], 111, 122, 149, [ 162, 166 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , okay . But that's that's {disfmarker} Do you uh have you have you think about tha thought about that ? How we can {disfmarker} what the extra touch can be . Do you suggest design or the shape or some gadget f f kind of feature or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Maybe th m", "Project Manager : Well , it was something about how we lose them . Maybe it should be a remote control when you you clap you hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I think that's n that's more for a for an age range or uh {vocalsound} ten to twelve or whatever . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : To find him . That's maybe {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound} I don't know . I don't know .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Nah , um a lot of people like to have such kind kind of kind of gay kind of things . It w it w should be like a birthday present or something that you give someone , and it is i {gap} has something nice .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , that's good one , yep .", "Project Manager : Or maybe it w should have a big uh light that can flash or something on it ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : or maybe it should {vocalsound} {disfmarker} or an {disfmarker} or the like the the can opener . Maybe it contains some feature that you don't normally link to a remote control . I think it's very impor because we're gonna make such a basic remote control , we have to do something to make it special .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's gonna cost twenty five Euros .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Ye I think the can opener i is a brilliant idea actually , because television and beer is not a rare combination . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but the {disfmarker} well , it's already been done .", "User Interface : Yeah , but that's {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : Nah . {vocalsound} Yeah , that's true . But {disfmarker} and I think it's gonna be uh very uh {disfmarker} it has to be sturdy or something , so maybe with with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : {gap} it has to be used something special ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and you really {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it has to ,", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : you know y not s people , when they buy it , they have to think , well this one lasts for a long time . We're really gonna use them . Not some thing you you throw away next week , you know .", "Marketing : No , that's true .", "Project Manager : So maybe uh that's i I think that's {vocalsound} when uh when we decide on these type of functions , know , basic functions , uh it's very important to find something like this . So there's a very important task for you . And maybe we can all think about it .", "User Interface : Be original , yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh , also for you maybe , when t you {disfmarker} it's very nice when you can be entra when you can be trendy , and and uh and al as in a friend {disfmarker} use friendly as well , you know .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . And use friendly , yeah .", "Project Manager : So big buttons , flashy design , and maybe some kind of gadget kind of thing .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh-huh .", "User Interface : Must brain-storm .", "Marketing : Yeah , a swapable front or whatever .", "Project Manager : Yeah , or just different colours would be uh {disfmarker} I don't know if people also wanna spend more money on fronts for their uh remote control .", "User Interface : Well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : For the remote control . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It could be be {disfmarker} Yeah , you never know , but {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Why not ?", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : More money for us .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But it {disfmarker} and I think we have to make it quite big .", "User Interface : Yeah . Quite big . Yeah , you think ?", "Project Manager : Yeah ,", "Marketing : Yes , definitely , definitely .", "Project Manager : {gap} people {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That's to be uh a formed for your hand .", "Project Manager : So , and and also because uh it is expensive . If you want it to be something , you know , it's ha doesn't have much functions {gap}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : want to be {disfmarker} you don't want to get it l make it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yes , it {disfmarker} it it should be f {vocalsound} be visible nearly anywhere in the room . As I uh as I said during my presentation , fifty percent uh o", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . And shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table . I I think you m might wanna put it uh {vocalsound}", "User Interface : A standard or something .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} yeah , that it it it it stands up . Yeah , you have to put it on its {disfmarker} So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table .", "Marketing : Yeah . A face ?", "Project Manager : {gap} no no , {gap} put stuff inside it . But , it's like like a statue or something {gap} {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Or uh yeah , yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : More like a joystick then .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , I see what you mean , yep .", "User Interface : It's like you have uh four phones . Something like that .", "Project Manager : Yeah yeah , but {disfmarker} yeah , but you also can put it somewhere near the window in {disfmarker}", "Marketing : If you do that , but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros .", "Project Manager : That it's it's fashionable .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} I {gap} I don't {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I in in the base we could like make uh a button , and if you push it , the remote control itself s makes noise .", "Project Manager : Oh , yeah .", "Marketing : That's probably stupid , but uh as I found here uh , fifty percent , was it fifty ?", "Industrial Designer : But that's that's fun for the first time , and then the second {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh fifty percent fifty percent often loses remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but but when you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} when it gets lost , how can you press the button to make it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No uh , of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh , okay .", "User Interface : On the television .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh , that's kind of nice .", "User Interface : Oh , like this .", "Marketing : If an {disfmarker} a button in in that uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And then also you don't even need batteries , because you can make it uh chargeable . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Or you can {disfmarker}", "User Interface : A char {vocalsound} chargeable . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , you can ma make rechargeable one , yeah . Why not .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , that w yeah , but {disfmarker} yeah , the pro No , well I think that it might be t p Well , nee but we don't {disfmarker} Yeah .", "User Interface : Why not .", "Project Manager : Maybe you , but {vocalsound} we don't know much about production cost , but when you {disfmarker} you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control , then the then the money {disfmarker} there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know , {gap} rechargeable units .", "Industrial Designer : With recharger .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It should only cost twelve and a half Euros , of course . Aye ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , it's not gonna be that expen", "User Interface : Production . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah , okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh I I think it's a great idea .", "User Interface : It should be possible . I think it's a good idea .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : S some kind of be I've never seen that before , and you make it uh um be uh , you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays .", "User Interface : To make a base or something ?", "Marketing : Yes . Yes , definitely . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes , but is that handy ?", "Project Manager : Well , I {disfmarker} well it's really ch you can recharge it , so you ha never have the battery problem . That's one {gap} .", "User Interface : It's it's it's it's", "Project Manager : And uh you can always find your remote control up {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it's not the purpose to be handy , it's", "Industrial Designer : But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years , three years , with with t two batteries .", "Project Manager : Uh , okay . Well , maybe yeah , you could {disfmarker} when that's {disfmarker} when it's too costly , you could probably skip the recharger ,", "Industrial Designer : And then you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : but you will {disfmarker} you do need uh also an {disfmarker} uh , also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well , you know . Does it makes it kinda {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Or {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts , of course .", "User Interface : Mm . Yeah , but that's not {disfmarker} it's ugly , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah , yeah . Okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : I don't know .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it .", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : On the other hand , if you don't do it , we can also make a nice bay . I mean , it looks trendy and still {vocalsound} still put a bleep function in it ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : but um I think the bay is definitely uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I think it's a good idea . And make it , you know , we we um {disfmarker} Well , we uh {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control . We can save on the on the functions . We just {vocalsound} put some simple button in , make it big and sturdy , nothing more , and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make , or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up ,", "Marketing : Sure , why not . Yep .", "Project Manager : it's also nice . And if you put it away , I think it's uh w we have to {disfmarker} we uh {disfmarker} that's uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : it's not a easy market .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We have to something special . And for twenty five Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : True .", "Project Manager : and we can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Definitely .", "Project Manager : because we aren't gonna put {disfmarker}", "Marketing : With eye candy , ear candy , whatever . Yeah , definitely .", "Project Manager : Yeah . And then uh when make it , you know , nice looking shape and this {gap} {disfmarker} and then you also you got the stand-up thing . Yeah . I think I think it's a good idea . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , it must be must be a gadget to have .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Definitely , yeah .", "Project Manager : Oh , if it {disfmarker} let's {disfmarker} well , we will see what's possible concerning the the costs , and if it's possible we'll do that . And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And the first thing we {disfmarker} the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something . If that's too expensive , we won't do that .", "User Interface : Yeah , we c", "Project Manager : But it would be nice .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It would be nice , yes .", "Project Manager : It's the idea . I know that batteries last long nowadays . And and what people just think about , well , I'll never have to buy any r batteries again , so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty . And you know then when you haven't batteries around , and probably for two weeks , your remo {gap} {disfmarker} I've experienced that that {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty , so {vocalsound} yes .", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay . So , easy functions . Well , we will we will {disfmarker} I think we'll work that out , zapping , numbers on it , bi", "User Interface : Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down .", "Project Manager : Yeah . But it's also annoying .", "Marketing : Yeah , why not .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} 'cause as long as it stays {disfmarker} as it ke keeps working , you're not very motivated to do something about it .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . {gap} true .", "Project Manager : Then it beeps all the time and {gap} .", "Marketing : No , that's true .", "Project Manager : You don't want to have {disfmarker} ever have those problems , and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable {gap} . And you don't have to use the unit , you can also put it on the side if people don't like it . Uh , i i in the in the ma", "Marketing : Why not .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} But you pay for it .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but it w I mean , if if they pay for it because they think , oh , that's a great idea , I'm gonna use it . And when it , you know , when time goes by and they think , well , I'll never put him in the recharger , I think last long enough , then they put it on side and they can use it now and then . Then when they look {disfmarker} get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control , within a couple of months of {disfmarker} they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control , they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think it's brilliant .", "Marketing : Bleep bleep bleep , oh there it is , yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I've never {disfmarker} it's so simple , but I've never seen it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : M maybe we should really {vocalsound} do this .", "User Interface : And you can leave it just there .", "Marketing : No . Nearly .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} {vocalsound} Okay now , well , how much time have we got left ? These clocks aren't uh synched ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 17, 49 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "divergence , law , England , Wales", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "In the meeting the divergence between English and Welsh law was discussed, mentioning the troubles for the awareness of criminal offending for people from England who travel to Wales, as they couldn't have a defence in Wales, but they could in England. There was a specific provision that takes account of the divergence of the law, and also the staff's aware of it, but it was said that a policy guidance could be generated to reflect any changes as they arose. Also, during the evidential stage, people should be aware that the defence was not available in Wales in the same way that it is in England., for criminal and other offences.", "title": "The Divergence Between English and Welsh Law", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], [ 13, 18 ], [ 29, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "divergence , law , England , Wales", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "There was a degree of divergence between English and Welsh law, which raises issues in terms of awareness of criminal offending for people from England who traveled to Wales, because there would be a defence available in England that would not be available in Wales. There was a specific provision that takes account of the potential divergence of Welsh law, and it was mentioned that a policy guidance could be generated to reflect any changes as they arose. The guidance would need to be updated, going back to the application of the evidential stage, before the public interest stage. On the evidential stage, people should be aware that the defence was not available in Wales in the same way that it was in England, and we might have some light-touch guidance around that. It was stated that the staff in Wales, and in England, was aware of the divergence in the criminal area of law, and that there were other offences in Wales that didn't exist in England, even they didn't happen very often.", "title": "The Divergence Between English and Welsh Law", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ], [ 13, 18 ], [ 29, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "implementing the Bill , law , divergence", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "While discussing the implications for implementing the Bill in Wales, Barry Hughes said that the removal of the defence would mean the increment of the amount of cases that would pass the evidential stage in Wales than there would be in England, because the defence would still apply there. Therefore, there would be issues in terms of awareness of criminal offending for people from England who traveled to Wales because there would be a defence in England, but not in Wales, so a policy guidance would help in those cases, reflecting any changes as they arose. However, Barry Hughes said it was yet to move from a Bill into an Act.", "title": "Barry Hughes' View on the Implications of Implementing the Bill", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 4 ], 22 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "implementing the Bill , law , divergence", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said one of the implications for implementing the Bill in Wales was that there would be more cases that would pass the evidential stage in Wales than there would be in England, raising issues in terms of awareness of criminal offending for people from England who traveled to Wales.", "title": "Barry Hughes' View on the Implications of Implementing the Bill", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 4 ], 22 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "CPS guidance , law , divergence", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "When discussing the divergence of the law between England and Wales, Barry Hughes said the guidance issued for charging standards should be updated and reflect any changes, in order to show the divergence of criminal law. Barry Hughes also said the guidance should be approached within the CPS to make sure it suited both England and Wales. Barry Hughes also said the guidance should contain information regarding the evidential stage as well as the public interest stage.", "title": "CPS Guidance for Law Diverge According to Barry Hughes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], [ 25, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "CPS guidance , law , divergence", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "There was a degree of divergence of law, and the CPS recognised this, so a policy guidance was issued. Barry Hughes said the appropriate guidance would be approached within the Crown Prosecution Service to make sure the guidance suited both England and Wales. Barry Hughes mentioned the need to update the guidance so the divergence of criminal law was reflected.", "title": "CPS Guidance for Law Diverge According to Barry Hughes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 4 ], [ 25, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "public interest issue", "speaker": "Dawn Bowden AM , Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "During the meeting, the terms of the approach to the guidance were discussed, and Barry Hughes said it should be within the Crown Prosecution Service, and the participation of specialists to get into the number of potential offences. Dawn Bowden AM asked if that was primarily around the public interest issue, Barry Hughes confirmed it and was recognized as a key stakeholder in terms of this legislation by Dawn Bowden AM.", "title": "Public Interest Issue on the Guidance.", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "public interest issue", "speaker": "Dawn Bowden AM , Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "The terms of how would be the approach to the guidance were discussed, and Barry Hughes explained that it should be within the Crown Prosecution Service in Cymru-Wales, and it might get into the number of potential offences, using the service of two or three specialists trained in it. Dawn Bowden AM wondered if that was primarily around the public interest issue and said Barry Hughes was a key stakeholder in terms of this legislation. Barry Hughes confirmed about the public interest issue.", "title": "Public Interest Issue on the Guidance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "chief crown prosecutor , staff awareness", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that as chief Crown prosecutor, published a monthly blog, so the staff were aware of what they were doing, and they could be aware of the law divergence. Barry Hughes confirmed that the CPS in England would need to be aware, but not necessarily to the same extent. Barry Hughes also said that there were about 30 to 35 prosecutors who worked for the CPS in London, and sometimes prosecuted at courts in Wales, so those people should be aware that there were some aspects of Welsh law that diverged from English law.", "title": "Barry Hughes as Chief Crown Prosecutor Handles Staff Awareness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "chief crown prosecutor , staff awareness", "speaker": "Barry Hughes" }, "summary": "Barry Hughes said that as chief Crown prosecutor, published a monthly blog, so the staff could be aware of the law divergence. Barry Hughes mentioned that the CPS in England would also need to be aware, as well as the 30 to 35 prosecutors who worked for the CPS in London, and sometimes prosecuted at courts in Wales.", "title": "Barry Hughes as Chief Crown Prosecutor Handles Staff Awareness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 15, 20 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : We've got some questions now on the divergence between the law in England and Wales from Dawn Bowden.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Thank you, Chair. Hello. The Assembly doesn't have any legislative competence to impose duties on the CPS, as you know, in the absence of the Secretary of State's consent. What are the implications for implementing the Bill in Wales for that?", "Barry Hughes : Can I give you two examples? One of the implications is this\u2014and it's fairly obvious but it's still worth stressing\u2014that the removal of the defence would mean that there would be more cases that would pass the evidential stage in Wales than there would be in England, because the defence would still apply there. That, therefore, raises issues in particular in terms of awareness of criminal offending for people from England who travel to Wales, because it's fairly evident that there would be a defence available in England that is not available in Wales. One of the examples that we talked about was if you consider a family on its way from England into Wales, travelling to Barry Island for a holiday, and troublesome children in the back of the car, harsh words and a small smack on the leg delivered while they're on the M4 going past Bristol would be subject to a defence. By the time we come over to this side of the water, there would be no such defence for the same journey, for the same act. And so, there are issues there in terms of the awareness of members of the public. The second example that I'll give you is that we already have within the United Kingdom a certain degree of divergence of laws, and the example I'll give to you is this: drink driving. In England and Wales, the limit for having micrograms of alcohol in your breath is 35 \u00b5g in 100 ml of breath. Across the border in Scotland, it drops to 22 \u00b5g. So, the same act\u2014. As you drive into Scotland, you're probably okay to drive if you've got 34 \u00b5g; by the time you get into Scotland, you won't be. And the consequences for you are significant, because of course it's an offence in Scotland, and not an offence in England, but the punishment, namely disqualification, applies everywhere in the United Kingdom. So, we already have a degree of divergence of law, and the CPS recognises this. In our code, we have a specific provision that takes account of the potential divergence of Welsh law. We will issue policy guidance and charging standards to reflect any changes as they arise. And we think that we are sufficiently flexible to take account of that.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. So, would you see the necessity for a memorandum of understanding, for instance, or it being useful in these circumstances, or are you quite satisfied that the current guidance code would cover that?", "Barry Hughes : Well, it's yet to move from a Bill into an Act, so we'd need to make sure that happened. We know there would be a period of time, perhaps as much as two years, or maybe a little more, while that takes place. There will be a further series of awareness raising. We have strategic implementation groups\u2014Iwan sits on that group. So, we would build ourselves up to come up with the appropriate guidance according to the circumstances. In terms of how we'd approach it within the Crown Prosecution Service in Cymru-Wales, my approach would be along the lines of working with Kwame and his colleagues to make sure that the guidance that we issue nationally suits both England and Wales. And when it comes to the practical application of the legislation in Wales, we would almost certainly work on the basis that the number of offences\u2014and we might want to get into the number of potential offences, but my take on it is the number of offences is likely to be very small and we would probably have two or three specialists trained in this so that any case that comes through goes to people who've got a close network and can talk with each other\u2014", "Dawn Bowden AM : And that would be primarily around the public interest issue.", "Barry Hughes : It would.", "Dawn Bowden AM : I understand. Okay. So you're obviously a key stakeholder in terms of this legislation and you're clearly very au fait with it and all its implications. What's actually been your involvement with the Government as they've been developing this legislation?", "Barry Hughes : My own personal involvement?", "Dawn Bowden AM : Or the service's.", "Barry Hughes : Iwan and colleagues have had some involvement on a more routine basis. I met with a Minister and a Deputy Minister\u2014I met with Huw Irranca-Davies a little while ago, and I met with Julie Morgan a few months ago\u2014to discuss the overall implications, and then officials on both sides have been engaging with each other. It hasn't been a very close-knit involvement, but we have had enough involvement so that we've felt we've been able to offer views on how we would deal with the legislation.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. So you've been satisfied with the level of involvement that you've had.", "Barry Hughes : Yes. I don't feel that it's been too much, nor do I feel we've been left on the side at all.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. Now, we've just talked about the divergence of criminal law, and this is probably the first time that there's been an obvious divergence between English and Welsh law, and so we were then talking about the guidance, weren't we, and whether that needs amending to reflect it. But I think you were saying that you felt, within the existing guidance, it could be dealt with, so you don't see a need to update or amend the guidance.", "Barry Hughes : I think we would need to update the guidance, and it goes back to the application of the evidential stage, before the public interest stage. On the evidential stage, I doubt that we'll need to do much, other than to make people aware that the defence is not available in Wales in the same way that it is in England, and we might have some light-touch guidance around that. When it comes to the public interest stage, that's a little more specialist and I think we would need to develop more with respect to that.", "Dawn Bowden AM : And are you satisfied that your staff in Wales\u2014well, and in England, actually, across the border\u2014will be sufficiently aware of the divergence in this area of law?", "Barry Hughes : Not as of the present day. Give us a chance. [Laughter.]", "Dawn Bowden AM : But you would expect that to be something you would\u2014", "Barry Hughes : Yes, I have no doubt. To an extent, actually, I think I would say that staff in Wales are aware of this already, because in my role as chief Crown prosecutor, I publish a monthly blog and we talk about the things we're doing, so staff are aware. I've discussed with staff and they've seen my blog and we've put it on our website: there have been engagements with the Welsh Government that this is a piece of work in which we're interested and that is under way. So, actually, I'm probably being unfair to myself. I think most staff would probably be aware that we are involved in this and that it is something that, at present, may well happen.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. And does that mean that there would also be a similar need for the CPS in England to be aware of the changes?", "Barry Hughes : They would need to be aware, but not to the same extent. We have regular interchange of prosecutors between England and Wales. So, in my office in Cardiff, for example, because we work digitally, I have about 30 to 35 prosecutors who work for the CPS in London, and they work exclusively on London cases. But there are times when some of those prosecutors will prosecute at courts in Wales, and then there may be an interchange; they'll come to work for us on secondment, or they'll come to work for us permanently. We'd need to make sure that those people were brought up to speed on the fact that there are some aspects of Welsh law that diverge from English law.", "Dawn Bowden AM : That's helpful, thank you. My final question, Chair, is just whether you think there are any other significant cross-border issues that arise from this potential legislation.", "Barry Hughes : In addition to those that I've mentioned, probably not. It boils down to the fact that there's a defence in England for assaults upon children that isn't available in Wales if this Bill goes through, and then it's dealing with the consequences of that.", "Dawn Bowden AM : Okay. That's fine. Thank you, Chair.", "Lynne Neagle AM : I've got a supplementary from Suzy, and then Si\u00e2n.", "Suzy Davies AM : Thank you. I was going to ask this question later, but I think it fits in\u2014. I've forgotten what I was going to ask; this is terrible. Oh no, that's right\u2014obviously, this Act is on a particular trajectory at the moment, and it's due to be introduced before the end of this Assembly. Do you think it would be better for us as scrutinisers\u00a0of this Act if we could see the draft changes to CPS guidance on the public interest test before we make our final decision?", "Barry Hughes : I honestly don't think that would necessarily be helpful. I've had some discussions with Kwame, who would have an involvement in this. What we would envisage is that we would simply want to take the present public interest factors, which are set out, in my view, very clearly in the code for Crown prosecutors, and we would provide a degree of detail around those that relates more specifically to the issues that we're discussing here. So, it would be taking principles of generality and according them a degree of specificity. And we'd need to work that up as we go along, and I think you'd run a risk of putting the cart before the horse, if I may put it like that.", "Suzy Davies AM : It's just that, personally, I think the public interest test is critical in all this, and it would really help us to understand what it could look like before we commit to a particular course of action in supporting or not supporting the Bill, that was all. But thank you, anyway; I take your point.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : My point is about the criminal law in Wales and England diverging in this particular instance, and we've been told that this is probably the first time it's happened. Can you think of any other examples where that divergence has happened and does it actually set some kind of precedent in motion?", "Barry Hughes : There are other offences in Wales that don't exist in England, but they don't crop up very often. So, to give you examples, there is an offence of putting an electronic collar on your pet\u2014let's not stretch that into children. [Laughter.] But, you know, sometimes\u2014I'll be quiet. But putting an electronic collar on your pet that administers a shock is an offence in Wales; it's not an offence in England. There are also offences around the picking of cockles in west Wales, which is not an offence\u2014. So, you can see there are some, but I would argue that the fact that you drive across the border into Scotland and commit an offence that you won't commit in England is possibly more significant for the general public. Of course, the topic we're discussing here is of real relevance for the general public, and you have heard evidence, I know, already, that comes from people who are quite strongly in favour and people quite strongly against it. One of the ways in which I've approached this is looking at it from the perspective of what the law is there for, which is to set out, in essence, what is acceptable, what is not acceptable. It doesn't necessarily mean we need to use the law for that, but it signifies how society views a certain behaviour. I like to look at it from the perspective of the person who is being affected by this, namely the child, and the change in the law here would afford children a degree of protection that they don't presently have, but which they do have when they attain the age of 16.FootnoteLink So, I looked at this\u2014. If I can give you another example. I've had considerable dealings over the years with offences against residents in care homes, and you'll have seen Winterbourne View, you'll have seen recently up in Durham, where we have adults who need to be looked after because of issues with their mental capacity, and sometimes, the carers become frustrated with them and they admonish them. Sometimes they admonish them verbally and then that turns into physical admonishment. In much the same way as children are vulnerable and are looked after and can be sometimes quite annoying\u2014but there is a level of protection for an adult striking a child lightly under the present law that is not available to the same adult for striking that child when they turn 16. That seems to me to not necessarily fit with where we ought to be as a society.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Do you think that what we're doing in Wales will be emulated in England at some point?", "Barry Hughes : Well, it's certainly going through in parallel in Scotland, and there are a great many other countries around the world that already have this, including a large number of European countries. Who knows? Trying to get any legislation through Westminster at the moment\u2014who knows? Not tomorrow, I'd say." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 62, "turns": [ 701, 806 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spongy thing", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing asked what they could do with the spongy thing, Project Manager thought that already came forward in the cushions, pads, and things on the side, then Marketing said that was true.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Discuss Cushions and the Spongy Thing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 37, 48 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "spongy thing", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager" }, "summary": "Marketing asked what they could do with the spongy thing, Project Manager thought that already came forward in the cushions, pads and things on the side, then Marketing said that was true. Then Project Manager said that the fruity thing was just the shape, and thought that was fruity.", "title": "Marketing and Project Manager Discuss Cushions and the Spongy Thing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 37, 48 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "teletext button", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager started talking about the functionality of the buttons, then said that they had basic buttons, and number buttons, power buttons, and teletext button.", "title": "Project Manager Lists the Basic Buttons with the Teletext Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "teletext button", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; yeah; the functionalities of the; buttons; this is okay; we have the basic; then; the numbers; the power button; We have; a teletext button; And maybe want; a menu or something; Most TVs have", "title": "Project Manager Lists the Basic Buttons with the Teletext Button", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "much colour", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they had to do something with colour, it was too much colour maybe, then User Interface agreed, said that it was too much colour.", "title": "Project Manager and User Interface Thinking What to Do with Too Much Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "much colour", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they kept the dark colour thing, and it added to the much colour thing, User Interface agreed.", "title": "Project Manager and User Interface Thinking What to Do with Too Much Colour", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 63 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker} oh yeah , the the functionalities of the the buttons .", "User Interface : The funct yeah , I was I was thinking about th the st do we still want a joystick idea .", "Project Manager : No . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : No , I think that's too vulnerable .", "Project Manager : I think this is okay ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : the {disfmarker} so we have the basic . Then we have the numbers . We have the power button . We have we have a teletext button .", "User Interface : The volume , teletext and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And maybe want to access a a menu or something . Most T_V_s have a menu .", "Marketing : Yeah , but that's that's {disfmarker} I was thinking that's gotta be on the television .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , but I think you ha I really need a menu button .", "User Interface : Yeah yeah yeah yeah , b", "Project Manager : That's just i the only button {disfmarker} only {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , but wha what kind of menu ?", "Project Manager : You know , I {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Is uh {disfmarker} isn't that different from every television ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} No , I think most T_V_s have an uh a menu nowadays to access the uh uh screen settings . And so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm . {vocalsound} Yeah , if it's c if {disfmarker} Yeah , I think it's okay to to add a menu button for uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But that that covers all the all the other settings . It covers everything then .", "Marketing : and if the T_V_ doesn't have a menu , then {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But then you have to put uh up and down and uh left and right {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : No , you can use the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , you can put that on the two eight four and six or whatever .", "Project Manager : And you al can also use the normal skip buttons for that .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Th in that way we have like only the numbers , the power button , skip and volume , and then uh uh ten uh rem", "Marketing : Mm , yeah . A mute and a teletext and a menu .", "Project Manager : uh yeah , mute . A teletext and a menu , and then then i that's it .", "User Interface : Mute .", "Project Manager : It's all we need .", "Marketing : That's all .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay , uh another stuf some stuff {vocalsound} about the the the design of the docking station .", "Marketing : Great . Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay , that's not mu not much functions . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Something important about a s uh , no , uh which sh uh should remind us of the remote itself , I guess .", "Marketing : Yeah , definitely .", "Project Manager : Uh , in one colour .", "Marketing : Are we gonna do something with the uh spongy thing there ?", "Project Manager : Just use {disfmarker} I think the spongy thing already um comes forward in the in the in the cushions , pads and things on the s uh side .", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , that's true , that's true .", "Project Manager : And we will make it spongy and {disfmarker} and uh and uh well , the fruity thing is just the shape should be fru i did {disfmarker} I think this is kind of fruity , you know . Just round shapes with uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , it's kinda fruity , and with th with catchy colours uh uh w", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah , but we're gonna have to {disfmarker} we really have to think {disfmarker} I think colours is very important , because it has to be flashy , but {disfmarker} and but it d it doesn't have to be annoying , that when you uh , know , some things is just over the top , and when you have it on your table for more than two weeks , you {disfmarker} {gap} it just gets annoying , because it's so big and flashy .", "Marketing : Yeah , definitely .", "Project Manager : Uh , it has to be some level of subtlety , but we have to {disfmarker} still have to think of how we manage to uh to get to that .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay . Guess we're through then .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : I guess so .", "Project Manager : But we {disfmarker} I think also we just {disfmarker} so we have to do something with colour but also , I I think we have to keep the dark colour thing in mind . I think that's uh adds to the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : too much colour maybe m um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Too much colour , i it uh {disfmarker} when you got it in a living room , it's too much maybe", "Project Manager : But our des design experts will uh work that out .", "Marketing : Yea yeah .", "User Interface : . It has to be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , well I think the meeting will be over within a minute .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : So we will wrap up .", "Marketing : Something like that .", "Project Manager : Or is there anything we'd like to discuss ? That's right .", "Marketing : I guess not .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Do you , guys ?", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : No ?", "Project Manager : Okay . Well , you will read the minutes uh in the {disfmarker} you can find them in the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh , okay , yeah .", "Marketing : In the shared folder .", "Project Manager : pro probably . Yeah {disfmarker} uh no , for su for sure because I'm will now type them out .", "Industrial Designer : What are we going to do now ?", "Project Manager : Uh , y yeah .", "Marketing : You'll see in you email , I guess .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I think uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah , I don't know . I don't know .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I hope so . And the other thing is that you don't have kind of prototype or something like that . You see a kinda prototype you can {disfmarker} a little bit more uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I will make one in the next uh twenty minutes . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Construct one , yeah .", "Project Manager : But {gap} toilet paper roll and uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : With you laptop ? {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Oh my God .", "Marketing : Alright , shall we get back to work ?", "Project Manager : Yep . I was waiting for the l last message , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Great .", "User Interface : Well you are . We're not .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound} Bastard .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Back to the pen .", "Project Manager : Mm yeah .", "Marketing : You lazy {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 77, "turns": [ 164, 255 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , marketing positioning", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested that the product should be very easy to use and exceptionally good. Marketing thought that the product should be marketed at a high price for design so it didn't become economically competitive. But they didn't have flexibility.", "title": "Marketing Positioning of Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , marketing positioning", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; keeping it basic what we're looking to sell it basically is it's just being very easy to use, looking exceptionally good, that sort of thing; Marketing; market a product for beauty for design; try to market it at a much higher price. I need to make it special with a high price tag; don't want to make it economically competitive; market this product; at eighty-nine Euros.", "title": "Marketing Positioning of Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 7 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , Marketing positioning", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that the largest market share would come from a product that looks nice, economic, and not easily broken. Also, if things like voice recognition and things like that were added, a market of maybe five percent was the only one going to use it.", "title": "User Interface on Marketing Positioning of Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product , Marketing positioning", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface; I'm just thinking with all these universal remotes that are out there, how many people actually use every feature; Where I think the largest portion of the market is just lost their TV remote, they need another one that'll work with their TV; They want something that looks nice, that isn't gonna break when they drop it, that you know that maybe it's ergonomic, it feels good in your hand, something like that.", "title": "User Interface on Marketing Positioning of Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 29 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested keeping the product basic, easy to use, and good-looking because they didn't have anything else there. Marketing said that if marketing for design and beauty, there would be a high price tag. Then they discussed what a reasonable price should be for different prices.", "title": "Design of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager; if we're keeping it basic we're looking to sell it basically it's just being very easy to use, looking exceptionally good; don't have anything else there; Marketing; market a product for beauty for design I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price; eighty-nine Euros; some really beautiful exterior design; cheap and functionality; sleek elegant high-priced basic remote.", "title": "Design of the Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 3, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "technology", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designers said there was no money to do it towards technology so they should just aim it at design. Marketing did not think that they would cut edge technology unless they came up with New Age products as far as the casing was concerned. The product would be something special and something that would be environmentally sensitive and one that advantageous in a home. The market was ready for new technology but because of budget restrictions and limitations, they couldn't bring new technology into the product.", "title": "Limitations of Technology on product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 66 ], [ 86, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "technology", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; We don't have the money to do it towards technology so we should aim at design. Marketing; cutting edge technology, I don't think we're gonna have that.", "title": "Limitations of Technology on Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 61, 66 ], [ 86, 89 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns . So if we drop {disfmarker} if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ?", "Project Manager : Hmm . So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing . 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price . I need to make it special with a high price tag . I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : I want I want to market it as exclusive . So I would market this product it {disfmarker} at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really {vocalsound} beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility .", "Project Manager : But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic , then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden {disfmarker} stan standard T_V_ so the place {disfmarker} uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant {vocalsound} high-priced basic remote . Does that make sense , huh ?", "Marketing : No I no I I understand what you say ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : but what I'm what I'm , okay {disfmarker} we probably need to move along ,", "Project Manager : Yeah we probably should .", "Marketing : but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product ,", "Project Manager : We we're doing alright for time .", "Marketing : and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros , which is mid-market price , um then what am I going to give these people for this ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : So that's just my question , but we can keep talking .", "Project Manager : Okay . Sorry that kinda cut into you there .", "Industrial Designer : No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands . Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas . Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Right . I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people {vocalsound} how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do {vocalsound} to use all these functions . Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna {disfmarker} you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_ . They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest , you know , market share .", "Project Manager : So we are looking for something that looks good and just works , rather than looking for any special features . Is that {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I think the more bells and whistles we add , it's just gonna cut into our into our profits .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh {disfmarker} for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that , I think {vocalsound} you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that ?", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Maybe five percent , you know ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah mm .", "Project Manager : But we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this .", "User Interface : and how much {disfmarker} Right . Yeah okay .", "Project Manager : Be a good idea .", "User Interface : I'm sorry .", "Project Manager : Uh sorry , I didn't mean to cut in {vocalsound} .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "User Interface : Sorry boss {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : I'm not the boss {vocalsound} . Okay .", "Marketing : Oh P Pedro , I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles , eh .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : You know sell uh {disfmarker} things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh {vocalsound} um voice-activated . I know we're getting into some , I hope , some big money on this thing , but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I think that's probably a question more for for this guy here , yeah .", "Marketing : Is that for over here ?", "User Interface : Yeah . Well it's kinda both of us .", "Marketing : Okay , alright .", "Project Manager : Is it ?", "User Interface : Us us user interface .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : That's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : 'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated I think of of {vocalsound} how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it . So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . I was thinking about that . Then your lights would go off , though . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : uh and and so so um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But this 's just something . I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext , it's like , what are we gonna put in ? What makes this thing attractive ? And it's only for televisions . So we {disfmarker} everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V_C_R_s , their D_V_D_s , their {vocalsound} their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only . And so to me we have to make this a really special product", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product . At this price I don't see it yet . I'm {disfmarker} I I go along with this , because this is what we're given to try to market , but I I don't see the market niche for this product without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : But we th that should be design .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That should be the design basically .", "User Interface : Right .", "Industrial Designer : I think technology we'd we {disfmarker} we're not in the price range to do it . We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design .", "Marketing : Okay . Have to do {disfmarker} you have to do it in the box ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay well , so so that's up to you then to {vocalsound} to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Maybe make it in the form of a gun . We can sell it in United States .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I have a question uh for you . Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I don't {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think all these things are pretty standard . I think we'll be okay .", "Project Manager : Okay . 'Kay . Cheers . Onto participant {vocalsound} four . {gap} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well {vocalsound} you know for marketing f {vocalsound} marketing for me is uh {disfmarker} and uh how do I go here ? Okay .", "User Interface : Mm you can just click .", "Marketing : Go go .", "User Interface : No no no", "Marketing : Is that right ?", "User Interface : you just get off that . You just click anywhere .", "Marketing : Ah-ha . Yeah , what for me is it um {disfmarker} I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now , okay , 'til you spoke and when I wrote this , I don't know what I'm marketing . I just know that I I was identified as a a {disfmarker} we identified ourselves as a as a developer , as a manufacturer , and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers . And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : That's what we decided here . Um so what I did is I I decided that {vocalsound} that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself . So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design . We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is . So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Um {vocalsound} so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily . So I say inspiration , so having something beauty , something attractive , uh something that in a sense will sell itself .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design . Uh cutting edge technology , I don't think we're gonna have that , these were ideas I was putting together , um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned . I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way , so maybe we can have some {disfmarker} I I talked about environmentally sensitive , uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home . I don't know . These are just thoughts . Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation , that we're new , we're aggressive , we're competitive , we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line . So to me it's about selling d uh our identity {disfmarker} our corporate identity along with the product . {vocalsound} Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market , but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for {disfmarker} I I identified new technology , but again , because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations , I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing . If if we could have a technological something {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I have an idea .", "Marketing : Mm p please ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 61, 153 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "thesis", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad C first said that was about various stuff in airplanes and trains, and then said that that was construal and that it could build a probabilistic relational model, with some general, domain-general rules about how things were construed, using ontology, situation, user, and discourse model, to instantiate elements in the classes of the model. Then added that was in the tourism domain.", "title": "Grad C Explaining What's the Thesis about", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "thesis", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad C first said that was about additional stuff on various airplanes and trains, and then said that it was construal and that it continued to say it could build a probabilistic relational model, that has some general, domain-general rules about how things were construed, and then the idea was to use ontology, situation, user, and discourse model, to instantiate elements in the classes of the probabilistic relational model to do some inferences in terms of what was being construed as what. Then added that was in their beloved tourism domain.", "title": "Grad C Explaining What's the Thesis about", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rehearse", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Professor E said that they want to do a rehearse, Grad C said it was not a rehearse, but asked for feedback, for revisions.", "title": "Talk about Rehearse of Professor E and Grad C", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 38 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rehearse", "speaker": "Professor E , Grad C" }, "summary": "Professor E; two things, one was rehearse; Grad C; not rehearse, I have just not spent any time on it; get your input on it , and maybe some suggestions; I will have time to do some revision and some additional stuff on various airplanes and trains.", "title": "Talk about Rehearse of Professor E and Grad C", "relevant_turns": [ [ 29, 38 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : yeah , there 's separate channels .", "Grad F : Alright .", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : So when I say", "Grad F : Just plug one ear .", "Grad A : You lose .", "Professor E : OK .", "Grad F : OK , bye ! That was a great meeting !", "Professor E : Right .", "Grad D : Alright .", "Grad F : So - {vocalsound} Now , uh , why ?", "Grad C : Just to save time .", "Grad F : OK .", "Grad C : Does matter for them .", "Grad A : Are we gonna start all our meetings out that way from now on ?", "Professor E : No .", "Grad A : Oh . Too bad . I kinda like it .", "Grad F : Well , could we ?", "Grad D : It 's strangely satisfying .", "Grad A : Yeah . It 's a ritual .", "Grad D : Are we to r Just to make sure I know what 's going on , we 're talking about Robert 's thesis proposal today ? Is that", "Grad C : We could .", "Grad D : true ?", "Grad A : We are ?", "Grad C : We might .", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad D : Is {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Well , you {disfmarker} you had s you said there were two things that you might wanna do . One was rehearse your i i talk {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Oh yes , and that too .", "Grad C : Not {disfmarker} not rehearse , I mean , I have just not spent any time on it , so I can show you what I 've got , get your input on it , and maybe some suggestions , that would be great . And the same is true for the proposal . I will have time to do some revision and some additional stuff on various airplanes and trains . So , um . I don't know how much of a chance you had to actually read it", "Grad A : I haven't looked at it", "Grad C : because {disfmarker}", "Grad A : yet ,", "Grad C : but you could always send me comments per electronic mail", "Grad A : but I will .", "Grad C : and they will be incorporated .", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad C : Um , {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} It basically says , well \" this is construal \" , and then it continues to say that one could potentially build a probabilistic relational model that has some general , domain - general rules how things are construed , and then the idea is to use ontology , situation , user , and discourse model to instantiate elements in the classes of the probabilistic relational model {pause} to do some inferences in terms of what is being construed as what", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad C : in our beloved tourism domain . But , with a focus on", "Grad A : Can I s Sorry .", "Grad F : I think I need a copy of this , yes .", "Grad C : Hmm ?", "Grad D : OK , we can {disfmarker} we can {disfmarker} we can pass {disfmarker} pass my , uh {disfmarker} we can pass my extra copy around .", "Grad F : I is there an extra copy around ?", "Grad A : Uh . He sent it . OK . You can keep it .", "Grad D : Er , actually , my only copy , now that I think about it ,", "Grad F : Alrigh", "Grad A : OK .", "Grad C : Um , I don't {disfmarker} I , uh {disfmarker} I don't need it .", "Grad D : but . I already read half of it , so it 's OK .", "Grad C : Um , actually this is the {disfmarker} the newest version after your comments ,", "Grad F : OK .", "Grad C : and {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah , no I s I s I see this has got the castle in it , and stuff like that .", "Grad C : Yeah .", "Professor E : Yep .", "Grad D : Oh , maybe the version I didn't have that I {disfmarker} mine {disfmarker} the w did the one you sent on the email have the {disfmarker}", "Professor E : Yeah .", "Grad D : That was the most recent one ?", "Professor E : Uh , yeah , I think so .", "Grad C : Yep .", "Grad D : OK . Cuz I read halfway but I didn't see a castle thing .", "Grad A : I 'm changing this . Just so you know .", "Grad C : Yeah ,", "Grad A : But , anyway .", "Grad C : um , if you would have checked your email you may have received a note from Yees asking you to send me the , uh , up - to - d", "Grad A : Oh . Oh , sorry . OK . Sorry .", "Grad C : current formalism thing that you presented .", "Grad A : OK . I will . OK . OK . OK .", "Grad C : But for this it doesn't matter . But , uh {disfmarker}", "Grad A : We can talk about it later . That 's not even ready , so . Um , OK ! Go on t to , uh , whatever .", "Grad C : And {disfmarker}", "Grad A : I 'm making changes . \" Don't worry about that . \" OK . Mmm - mmm . Oh ! OK , sorry , go on .", "Grad C : And any type of comment whether it 's a spelling or a syntax or", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad C : readability {disfmarker}", "Grad F : There 's only one \" S \" in \" interesting \" .", "Grad C : Hmm ?", "Grad F : There 's only one \" S \" in \" interesting \" . On page five .", "Grad C : Interesting .", "Grad A : Anyway . And y uh , email any time , but most usefully before {disfmarker}", "Grad D : The twenty - first I 'm assuming .", "Grad A : The twenty - first ?", "Grad C : Twenty - ninth .", "Professor E : No , this is the twenty - first .", "Grad F : That 's {disfmarker}", "Grad D : What , today 's the twenty - first ?", "Grad F : Well , better hurry up then !", "Grad D : Oh , man !", "Grad A : Before the twenty - ninth ," ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 11, "turns": [ 47, 73 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "childcare , differences , Wales , care provision", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM started asking a question about if the demand-driven approach of the childcare market were a mistake, and if that should be more universally available. After getting an answer it said that there were too many resources because a theory said that, and that the demand-driven approach was based on more factors.", "title": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM Thoughts About Childcare", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "childcare , differences , Wales , care provision", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM; big differences in amounts of early childhood education and care provision in different parts of Wales; followed a demand-driven approach to the childcare market; Is that a mistake?there is this theory that there are too many resources\u2014the demand-driven approach is based more on certain factors.", "title": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM Thoughts About Childcare", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "demand-driven approach , discussion , decision , programme", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked if the demand-driven approach with subsidies given to working parents were a mistake. Julie Morgan AM answered that some were universally available in certain areas and that there wasn't a stigma, and everybody could take it. Janet Finch-Saunders AM said that there were too many resources and that the approach was based on certain factors.", "title": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM and Julie Morgan AM Discussion About Demand-Driven Approach", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "demand-driven approach , discussion , decision , programme", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked if the Welsh and UK Governments' demand-driven approach to the childcare market with subsidies given to working parents were a mistake. Julie Morgan AM answered that some were universally available in geographically defined areas and that there wasn't a stigma, and everybody could take advantage of it. Janet Finch-Saunders AM said that there was this theory that there were too many resources and that the approach was based more on certain factors.", "title": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM And Julie Morgan AM Discussion About Demand-Driven Approach", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "demand-driven approach , programme", "speaker": "Julie Morgan" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM answered that some of their provisions were universally available in geographically defined areas and that there wasn't a stigma, they thought that was very important because everybody could take advantage of it, even those who were most in need. So they thought there was a purpose behind that.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Recommendations About the Demand-Driven Approach", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 10 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "demand-driven approach , programme", "speaker": "Julie Morgan" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM answered that some of their provisions were universally available in geographically defined areas, there wasn't a stigma, they thought that was very important because everybody could take advantage of it, even those who were most in need. So they thought there was a purpose behind that. After that, it got asked a question about how children mix with their age, and someone answered that was because the offer was for working parents, and they agreed.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM Recommendations About the Demand-Driven Approach", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 10 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Sian Gwenllian AM : Just in terms of the foundation phase, there have been cuts, of course, in expenditure in that phase. How concerned are you about that and the impact that that will have on the way in which the foundation phase is taught in our schools? The foundation phase is now part of the education improvement grant, which has seen a reduction of 10 per cent, and it has to compete against other expenditure streams within that greater pot of funding. So, are you concerned that money is being lost and that that will have an impact on standards in the foundation phase?", "Julie Morgan AM : I haven't seen any evidence. Obviously, I must reiterate the foundation phase does come under the Minister for Education, but I haven't seen any evidence of any standards being lowered, and the reports from Estyn are very good. In fact, I think the foundation phase is one of our great joys, that we absolutely celebrate it, and so I'd be very concerned if I thought there was any drop in standards in the foundation phase, and I certainly haven't had any evidence of that. I would want to guard against that.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : Exactly, but if there are fewer teaching assistants in the system because of the cuts, it's going to impact on standards, at the end of the day.", "Julie Morgan AM : I think we have to be very careful to see that lower standards are not implemented, because it was groundbreaking when we brought it in, and it has proved to be a great success, so we want to make sure that's guarded.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Janet.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Going back to my original question about the big differences in amounts of early childhood education and care provision in different parts of Wales, the Welsh and UK Governments have followed a demand-driven approach to the childcare market, with subsidies mainly given to working parents. Is that a mistake? Should it be more universally available?", "Julie Morgan AM : Well, some of our provision is universally available in certain areas. For example, the Flying Start provision is universally available in geographically defined areas, and I think that's very important, because that does mean that there isn't stigma, and so,in those areas, everybody can take advantage of it, and yet it is reaching those who are most in need because it's reaching those areas. So, I think that there is a purpose behind that. In terms of when you say demand led, could you elaborate on that?", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : I know that\u2014we've just had a useful briefing from\u00a0David Dallimore, and, basically, there is this theory that there are too many resources\u2014the demand-driven approach is based more on certain factors: geographic spread in terms of it being more universal, and whether that's the right way. How do children then mix with peers from different backgrounds, in their own peer or age group?", "Julie Morgan AM : It is demand\u2014", "Nicola Edwards : [Inaudible.]\u2014because the offer is targeted at working parents\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes, yes.", "Nicola Edwards : \u2014obviously, then the amount of availability is based on how many parents apply for it and take it up. Is that the context of demand led in that\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes.", "Nicola Edwards : Right, okay.", "Julie Morgan AM : It is universally available to all parents who meet the eligibility criteria of working, and I think what you're saying is that it should be available to everybody.", "Lynne Neagle AM : I think the point that Janet's making is that some areas have traditionally got more childcare anyway because they have traditionally had more demand in those areas, so there's not a level playing field to start from. Is that correct?", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes.", "Julie Morgan AM : I think that, historically, that is definitely true, and when you look at the take-up of the childcare offer, it's certainly taken up in some areas with a very high take-up rate. I think Ynys M\u00f4n was nearly 90 per cent or something\u2014", "Sian Gwenllian AM : They need more money, because they haven't got enough funding.", "Dawn Bowden AM : So does everywhere.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : No, to meet the demand.", "Julie Morgan AM : In other areas, it's much, much lower\u2014in some of the cities, I know. So, there is a big range in take-up\u2014", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : So, do you intend to bring something forward to address that?", "Julie Morgan AM : We are planning to extend it. We're looking at the possibility of extending it to parents who are in education and training. So, we are widening the offer, yes. Obviously, we have to wait for the evaluation\u00a0of that.\u00a0It would be great to be able to offer it to absolutely everybody, but obviously we have got the finance to look at in terms of how we do that. But we are certainly planning to expand it.", "Lynne Neagle AM : We've got questions on the offer in a little while. Janet.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Does the Welsh Government intend to develop an integrated approach, then, against all settings? If so, given the current inconsistencies, how can quality be assured?", "Julie Morgan AM : We are developing a more integrated approach towards the early years. As I've said, we're trying to have the foundation phase operating in more non-maintained settings, and we're already developing that. But Estyn and CIW will continue to inspect and regulate the early years sector to ensure standards, and, since January 2019, CIW and Estyn have moved to joint inspections for the non-maintained settings that are offering the foundation phase. So, that is a very positive move, I think, and is absolutely making sure that standards are maintained, because if we are having the foundation phase in non-maintained settings, that is a challenge where we want to be sure that the standards and the philosophy of the foundation phase are maintained. So, we have got the system of inspection to ensure that." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 3, "turns": [ 69, 375 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "finder button , call button", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if they wanted to design the remote control with a finder button. Industrial designer said that a locator was easy to implement. User interface asked if the buzzer was going to be on the TV itself. Industrial designer said that you should have a button on a separate base which you could stick on your TV or on your wall or someplace else, but, as IR was going to be out of sight, maybe they should need to implement something like a radio signal. Marketing asked if the remote control should have a light. Industrial designer said it was better to have a beep, so you could find the remote anywhere, even when it was out of sight.", "title": "Finder Button Brainstorm", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "finder button , call button", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface asked if the remote control was going to have a finder button and if it was going to be on the TV itself. Industrial designer said that a locator was easy to implement, that it should have a button on a separate base, but it needed to work via a radio signal as the IR would be out of sight. Marketing asked if the remote control should have a light to be found, but Industrial Designer said that it was better to have a beep.", "title": "Finder Button Brainstorm", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 103 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition design , group members", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that for speech recognition, the target age group was teenagers and young professionals. Industrial Designer remarked that voice recognition was difficult to program and implement for a TV, and the Project Manager added that it could be very expensive.", "title": "Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "speech recognition design , group members", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that the target age group was teenagers and young professionals for the use of speech recognition. Industrial designer thought that voice recognition was really hard to program and implement, especially since there was going to be a TV and people around it making any kind of sound, so if someone said a number, maybe the TV automatically switched to that number, in addition to the fact that the Project Manager considered that it could be very expensive.", "title": "Speech Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "VCR / VHR / DVD capability button", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they needed to decide if the remote they were about to design should have VCR buttons. Industrial Designer asked if VCRs were the same all over the world to see if it was necessary to have different buttons for each type. Project Manager and Marketing said that they were not the same all over the world, but the Project Manager ended by saying that if the target audience was young professionals and teenagers, the remote control should rather have DVD functions, because it was the technology these days.", "title": "Buttons for VCR and DVD Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "VCR / VHR / DVD capability button", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about a remote that they previously saw that had VCR functions, so they needed to decide if the remote that they were designing was going to have these functions. Industrial Designer asked if VCRs were the same all around the world. Project Manager and Marketing said they weren't, so Industrial Designer mentioned they would need different sets of buttons for each type. Project Manager said that if the target were young professionals and teenagers, the remote should have DVD functions, because that was the technology these days.", "title": "Buttons for VCR and DVD Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 107, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to add a kind of flat touch joystick with various functions. Industrial Design said there could be a changing number in the corner. Marketing suggested adding four separate buttons for channels and volume, but User Interface said the same disc could be used for this. Marketing considered that this way they would have a clean design. Industrial Designer added that DVD features could be easily included, although the Project Manager did not recall whether the specifications said not to include DVD or Internet features. Industrial Designer said that it was better to have the function of two controls in one and that the switching of the functions between DVD, VCR or TV could be done from the Menu.", "title": "Button Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 303 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "buttons", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to reduce the number of buttons with a kind of flat touch joystick instead of having nine number buttons and so they can have everything covered with this function. Industrial Design believed that the control could indicate the number as it changed in the corner. Marketing said four buttons could be added to change volume and channels. User Interface proposed to press the central region and then scroll up and down and when you moved your thumb around, the channels went up or down. Marketing said that this would be a simple design and not as massive as that of a regular remote control. Industrial Designer said that DVD features could easily be included, because it only required 3 buttons to play, pause or eject, although Project Manager said he didn't know if the requirements said not to include DVD features, or not to include Internet features. Industrial Designer said that it would be great to have everything in one control and that switching between DVD, VCR or TV functions could be done with the Menu button. User Interface said maybe there should be features to switch to different tracks on a DVD and everyone said they should think about it.", "title": "Button Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 303 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "ipod thing", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to implement a kind of flat-touch joystick, like that of an iPod, to reduce buttons, having the advantage that people liked this function in an iPod because it was very intuitive and functional. User Interface thought about how to change the functions so that when you moved your thumb, the channels went up or down, but Marketing said the iPod knew when you pressed or scrolled. User Interface said that it was safe to achieve these features as they worked fine on an iPod. Although this worried the Project Manager, because he believed that this was why iPods were so expensive, but Industrial Design said that the high cost of an iPod was more because they were like small computers.", "title": "Flat-Touch Joystick", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 253 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "ipod thing", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to reduce the number of buttons by implementing a kind of flat-touch joystick, like on an iPod, instead of having nine number buttons, since it was seen that people like this function on an iPod because it was very intuitive. Marketing said you could have it all covered with this feature. Project Manager said they could even have four buttons to change volume and channels. User Interface thought about how to change the functions so that when you moved your thumb around, clockwise, the channels went up, and in the other direction, they went down. Marketing said that the iPod knew when you pressed or scrolled. User Interface said that you could press the middle region and then scroll up or down and rest assured there was a way to achieve these functions as it worked fine on an iPod, although Project Manager thought maybe this was it that iPods were so expensive, although Industrial Design said that the high cost of an iPod was more that they were like small computers.", "title": "Flat-Touch Joystick", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 253 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channels", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed reducing the number of buttons by putting in a multi-function flat-touch joystick, though perhaps there should be a plus and minus button for zapping, and User Interface said even these could be in one region of the circle. Project Manager commented that there should be four separate buttons to change volume and channels, but User Interface explained that by moving your thumb on the dial, the channels wiould go up or down, but to change the function, they could press the central region and then scroll up or down.", "title": "Channel button design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 232 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "channels", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to reduce the number of buttons with a kind of flat-touch joystick instead of having nine buttons. User Interface thought that it was a great idea, but it was going to need a screen, to which the Industrial Designer replied that there might be a screen with the numbers in the corner. Marketing said there should be a plus and minus button to be able to zap, and User Interface said that these could even be in a region of the circle. Project Manager proposed four buttons to change volume and channels. User Interface said that moving your thumb around it clockwise would go up the channels and the other way would go down, but to change the function you could press the middle region and then scroll up or down. Project Manager was of the opinion that volume and channels should be separate, although User Interface said that somehow these features work well on iPods, so they should work in this case as well.", "title": "Channel Button Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 232 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Power", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface talked about shrinking the buttons, and Marketing commented that the power button didn't get much use, but it would be good to keep it red. Project Manager proposed to change the design using the ability that some controls had, to change the function of the buttons when they were left pressed, in this way another button could be used to not have a button that only had the power function. User Interface said that this could be confusing to the customer because they would have to do some research up front, so they didn't think the remote didn't have a power button, the Project Manager agreed with this and stated that the remote would definitely need to have a power button.", "title": "Power Button Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 129, 156 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Power", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "User Interface asked to reduce the number of buttons, and Marketing said that power's a button that wasn't used that much, and that maybe it would be quite nice to keep it red as it usually was. Project Manager said that there were some remotes where holding down a button that was a different color than other buttons turned it on and changed function, that way they could avoid having an on and off button. User interface said it could be confusing because you would need to know this beforehand, otherwise you would think there was no power button. Project Manager agreed and said that the remote would definitely need to have a power button.", "title": "Power Button Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 129, 156 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target group", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project manager said that they should design the appearance, buttons and functions of the remote control taking into account the target group and how it would attract them. User Interface asked if their target age group was in the 19-35 age range, and the Project Manager confirmed that they were teenagers and young professionals, but Marketing said that was the age range that preferred voice and screen recognition.", "title": "Target Group", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target group", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The project manager said that they should design the remote with the target group in mind. User Interface asked if their target age group was in the 19-35 age range, but Marketing said that was the age range they preferred for voice and screen recognition.", "title": "Target Group", "relevant_turns": [ [ 4, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Number", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed a kind of flat-touch joystick instead of having the number buttons with which they could cover various functions, plus this feature was liked by iPod users. Industrial Designer said there may be a number in the corner that changed as you moved the disk, and both the Project Manager and User Interface said this could be the same as a mouse pad.", "title": "Numbers Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 175 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "Number", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing proposed to reduce the number of buttons with a kind of flat-touch joystick instead of having nine number buttons. User Interface said that it was a very interesting idea and that it could be a very intuitive function. Marketing said that with this feature you could have it all covered, plus this type of circle has been well accepted by iPod users. User Interface said a screen was going to be necessary, but Industrial designer said there may be a number around the corner. Project Manager and User Interface agreed that this technology would be the same as a mouse pad.", "title": "Numbers Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 157, 175 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay . Well thank you everybody . Um {vocalsound} we have {disfmarker} we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in . Um , teletext is apparently outdated , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} due to internet popularity , so that's off the list . Um ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : also our remote should be used only for television , um , no extra internet kinda fancy things , just the remote and the television . Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this , so um the phrase is , we put fashion in electronics , so let's be fashionable I guess . Um if we have something {disfmarker} I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours , so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw , and yellow writing , something like that . Okay . Um . So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions . Um , yeah . {vocalsound} Do {disfmarker} Let's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming , see what we can {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Like in terms of", "Marketing : How it looks or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : how it looks , or like what it does ?", "Project Manager : wha what {disfmarker} um {vocalsound} well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing . So .", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay . So {disfmarker} Is our target group then people {disfmarker} so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think that seems to {disfmarker} yeah . Mm .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It's easy to implement .", "User Interface : Okay . So the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {gap} the the buzzer you mean ,", "User Interface : yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Locator .", "Marketing : yeah , for sure , yeah .", "User Interface : So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , teenagers and young professionals .", "User Interface : what was it ?", "Marketing : Well that's for speech recognition .", "Project Manager : Oh , uh .", "Industrial Designer : Well {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Oh .", "Marketing : And screen . That's only for speech recognition and screen .", "Industrial Designer : I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and also , if the T_V_ is on it's making sound and the people on the T_V_ are talking , and if somebody says like one , then the T_V_'s gonna switch itself to channel one ,", "Marketing : Yeah yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : or {disfmarker} it seems like a silly ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I mean {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I'm not sure how you would implement it .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I just put the values {vocalsound} in .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And if if you consider our budget , it probably {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But um the screen is the same as what , {gap}", "Industrial Designer : It's a cool idea but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : if you consider our budget , to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , I'm happy with that .", "Project Manager : Yeah {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Right so um {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : Hu yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Completely .", "User Interface : Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a {disfmarker} like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T_V_ itself .", "Industrial Designer : Well you would have to have a button on a T_V_ or on your wall or some place {gap} since the T_V_ already has power .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah you click the button , it's gonna send out a signal , and I was thinking , I_R_ is line of sight , so unless the remote is like actually in front of the T_V_ it's not gonna work , um so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone .", "User Interface : Okay . Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably .", "User Interface : Alright .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : right . Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : So do you plug it in the T_ {disfmarker} you plug it in T_V_ , this thing ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , it'd probably just stick it on your T_V_ so if you need to find the remote , click the button .", "Marketing : Okay . Okay .", "User Interface : So it's now like a two-part thing .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , so it would be a two part package .", "User Interface : Okay . Alright .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : So we get to design that too .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Make it fashionable . Um , okay .", "Project Manager : So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah I think so .", "Marketing : Yeah . Just there .", "Project Manager : Huh . Okay .", "Marketing : Mm . Are we um should that thing be on the {vocalsound} thing to put the {disfmarker} you s you talking about a home for it .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now ?", "Project Manager : We probably leave that . I mean I guess one takes care of the other , like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . Then it can live anywhere .", "Project Manager : Yeah {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay . For the {disfmarker} so you have that button , that {disfmarker} so there's {disfmarker} is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio ?", "Industrial Designer : Um on the T_V_ or on the phone ?", "Marketing : Are we just having a radio ? On the phone .", "Industrial Designer : Um it seemed like a {disfmarker} a beep seemed the most reasonable to me ,", "User Interface : T", "Marketing : You don't need a light . Yeah yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I think that's what the phone has ,", "Marketing : Yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I mean when you need to find your phone , you just have someone call it {vocalsound} and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it's in the couch or wherever .", "Project Manager : And like if the if the phone's under the couch , you might not see the light , so", "Marketing : You can hear it's under the couch yeah .", "Project Manager : {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : So i Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , {vocalsound} {gap} So need the other buttons . So we have this {disfmarker} mm .", "Project Manager : So I mean the two remotes that you had shown r I don't remember who showed them {vocalsound} , yeah you you did um ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : That was that was me .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : they're {disfmarker} I mean one looked like it was for V_C_R_ type thing , and the other looked like just television .", "User Interface : I think w I think they're both sort of just like general remo they're both general remotes .", "Project Manager : Oh really . 'Cause that that is something we have to decide , is whether we want to have V_C_R_ capabilities .", "User Interface : And uh", "Industrial Designer : Does anyone know if V_C_R_s are the same across {disfmarker} international ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : They're not {disfmarker} no .", "Marketing : They're not , no .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so you'd need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody's V_C_R_s .", "User Interface : S", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's right , yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It not V_H_S_ here ?", "Project Manager : But D_V_D_ probably is .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , other than that region and coding thing .", "User Interface : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And and if we're if we're targeting young professionals and teenagers , I mean it's gonna be D_V_D_ type , that's the the technology these days .", "Marketing : But V_C_R_s {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah , for sure .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah . So . Okay , let's see if I can {disfmarker} I think still though , it shouldn't be that hard to take {disfmarker} like just reduce the number of buttons you know ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : like 'cause if you just have like one menu button , that works like with a you know , or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the T_V_ .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well for sure we need the um {disfmarker} I think we can just design the channels ? I mean power's just a button , and it's not used that much ,", "Project Manager : S", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Huh .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : s and it's usually that red", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : and I think it's quite nice to keep it like red .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : You know , I've seen some remotes that {disfmarker} where you just hold one , like if you hold one down it's it's a different colour than the other buttons but that turns it on . So you don't actually have a separate power button , it's just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh okay , yeah .", "User Interface : It seems like that would be hard though .", "Project Manager : But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I mean , like because unless you know {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It might be confusing . Yeah .", "User Interface : yeah . Just 'cause I wouldn't {disfmarker} I would probably pick it up and just be like uh why is there no on button . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Besides you like to be able to go power .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I never think to hold something down . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I have the power {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . B {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : I guess . So we definitely want a power button and numbers . Right .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well even um iPod thing {vocalsound} {vocalsound} , like um , I don't know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number , of buttons , instead of having like one to nine , have a sort of", "User Interface : That sort of like joystick flat touch thing , yeah .", "Marketing : scrolling {disfmarker} I don't know .", "Project Manager : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . Because people li seem {disfmarker} now the iPod's out people seem to like this thing that there's no {disfmarker} Know you don't have one two three four five {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah . I think that's an interesting idea , 'cause it's cool ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : it's it's funny like you f like I just {disfmarker} I don't have an iPod but like I , you know , I just like started messing around with one of my friend's the other day , and you just sort of and {disfmarker} it's funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily , like it's not that hard , you know .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah , it's just {disfmarker} and it's one thing which has everything .", "User Interface : Yeah , and it is {disfmarker} yeah . It is really {disfmarker} but do you need a screen then , do you have to have a screen then ?", "Marketing : Well can't it tell the {disfmarker} like can't you {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , you can have the number going around in the corner .", "User Interface : Yeah . Okay .", "Marketing : you can have the number on the telly going like one two three four five once you scroll and then {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah . Okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button .", "Project Manager : Oh that's gonna {disfmarker} Is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Like a disc . Yeah . Yeah . It's like {disfmarker} it's just like the same technology as a mouse pad .", "Project Manager : okay . I've never used one . No .", "Marketing : It's like l this {disfmarker} like that , and then you do that .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah and then .", "Marketing : And then you can have um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if you actually just want to zap , you can have like a thing {vocalsound} like that , and that , and then it can just be plus and minus .", "User Interface : Okay . So like it's like a little part of the circle that {disfmarker} Or it {disfmarker} oh so it's just a region of the circle that you can {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , you can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well i", "User Interface : zap .", "Marketing : Yeah , click o actually click on to have {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : We could we could even have four buttons , like , if that's the if that's the mouse , you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . So volume could be like the top it and the bottom {disfmarker} So do you need to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Doesn't it rotate though ,", "User Interface : okay .", "Industrial Designer : so it'll be moving around .", "User Interface : Well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : What do you mean the function ?", "User Interface : I mean like okay , 'cause so {disfmarker} I dunno , I guess {disfmarker} Okay {disfmarker} so when you g scroll your thumb like around it , it'll s like say you're go you're going clockwise . That that means you're gonna go up the channels , and then you scroll the other way and it'll go down .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : But then {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : so if you wanna switch to the {disfmarker} to u do you have to switch to a function where like y so you're either in that mode or you're in the mode where like it just has like the four like you know this is channel that way , that's that way and volume is up and down .", "Marketing : Yeah but it knows for some reason .", "User Interface : It just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : The iPod knows .", "User Interface : It just kno {vocalsound} the iPod knows . {vocalsound} S", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} If it works on an iPod then it works .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Huh .", "User Interface : Yeah . So you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want .", "Industrial Designer : I don't have one .", "Marketing : Well for the volume you have to press the middle , and then go up .", "User Interface : Okay . That's what I mean . Okay . Okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up , go up and down .", "Industrial Designer : Oh .", "Project Manager : So it's like holding {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And then {disfmarker} well if you do that it goes , but if you {disfmarker} like that makes more sense 'cause there's already ones with up and down here , that I've seen .", "Project Manager : You can {disfmarker} o And you you {disfmarker} is there an extra actual button ? Or are you actually {disfmarker} you're just using the mouse to go up and down .", "Marketing : Well what you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Like {disfmarker}", "User Interface : It's like a b", "Marketing : for the iPod you press an {disfmarker} w right if you're on the channel let's say , then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up , and if you do that it goes down .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Right . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : But if you wanna keep it with volume here and here , I'm pretty sure {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well I mean if if you're gonna this for channels , right , then y wouldn't the volume need to be separate somehow ?", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Like you could just have {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I don't know ,", "Project Manager : Oh , like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : you could click and then have it up and down ,", "Project Manager : Oh you could actually {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : but I think {disfmarker}", "User Interface : I think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the iPod .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : But the only thing is like , iPods are so expensive , like , it has to be {disfmarker} is that part of {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Is that what makes them expensi I think it's all of {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I don't think so .", "User Interface : yeah , I dunno , I dunno .", "Project Manager : they have so much memory though , that's {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : You don't think so ? Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think it's the wheel dealy .", "Marketing : I think it {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . I think it's the uh h it's their capabili I mean they {disfmarker} it can hold what like five thousand songs or something .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : Yeah . I'm thinking we could {disfmarker} if if we're hav So ba I mean but an iPod just has that circle thing you know .", "Industrial Designer : And they're re-programmable aren't they ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You can put on your songs and then put on a different set ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : that's probably why they're expensive , they're like little computers .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : S", "User Interface : Yeah . Well like since it just has the circle thing , you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape , like it could be a cool sort of you know , because it could be circular , you know , or something weird like that , just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah yeah yeah . Well it could just be simple instead of being a l mass . Because , the other thing , I didn't tell you all my presentation {vocalsound} , is that people find it {disfmarker} find that it's a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : and that's another thing they complained about .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Um , what other buttons were there ? Volume {disfmarker} oh we've ts just said that .", "User Interface : So okay .", "Marketing : Channel selection .", "User Interface : This is just for T_V_ , it's not for {disfmarker} or it is {disfmarker} does need to be compatible with {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I {disfmarker} A D_V_D_ is simple , you just have play , pause , eject ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : You know actually our our new project requirements , I'm not sure if they meant o onl use only for television as in not for D_V_D_ or just not internet type things .", "User Interface : So how do you switch {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Menu .", "Industrial Designer : and menu maybe . Oh yeah .", "Project Manager : So I'll I'll check that and update you on the next {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay . So like if we had that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But we'll hold off on that 'cause {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But s yeah uh .", "Marketing : But D_V_D_ players usually have their own remote .", "User Interface : That's true , yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So , I know I'm not c really clear on what {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But it's cool to have it all on one , because you wanna turn it on then you wanna turn up the volume , and then you wanna go to the menu , so you don't wanna switch .", "User Interface : Yeah , yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah , yeah , yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm . Mm .", "User Interface : So you'd have to have like {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : I think {disfmarker} you would have to have like a function switch button , you know somewhere so like you can {disfmarker} you're either on T_V_ , you're on D_V_D_ or you're on V_C_R_ , or you're like . So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Well but D_V_D_ is only like four buttons .", "User Interface : Yeah ,", "Marketing : Yeah , it is only fun", "User Interface : but I mean like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disc , the touch pad .", "Project Manager : But i Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Oh . But I think the circle only does {disfmarker} channel isn't applicable to D_V_D_ really 'cause you don't wanna {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah but it {disfmarker} it would be {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the T_V_ so you don't have to switch .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker} but I'm saying like , does it make sense to have like some kind of a button , so like you're {disfmarker} if you're on T_V_ , like you can switch channels , but then if uh if you're on D_V_D_ then like the channel bu like the the region of the disc that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know , to different {disfmarker} I mean do we need to think about that ,", "Project Manager : Um , yeah , let's think about it", "User Interface : that like {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes we can try that .", "Project Manager : 'cause we need to wrap up .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 0, 58 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "minutes , sebastian", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked User Interface to put minutes on the shared folder, were they made like in Sebastain case. If User Interface made no minutes, that would be no problem, but it would be easy to see what was written down in order to use them in a report.", "title": "Minutes of User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 44 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "minutes , sebastian", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked User Interface to put minutes on shared folder like Sebastian does, it would be easier to use them in a report.", "title": "Project Manager Directions to User Interface", "relevant_turns": [ [ 30, 44 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {gap} Do you need to change anything on it ? Because otherwise I will already open it .", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker} Mm , don't think so .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Unless uh things have suddenly change again .", "Project Manager : Is it much changes ?", "Marketing : Uh don't know . Maybe uh you've got new information , {vocalsound} like uh last time .", "Project Manager : Uh I didn't {disfmarker} No no . I do hot have {disfmarker} Only the same information . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : Hello , Sebastian .", "Industrial Designer : Hello hello Mister P_M_ .", "Project Manager : I believe uh Miss uh Tentel is with us as well , in the control room .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well , that's where the thinking goes on . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Oh , it's that Roo again , always late .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Bongiorno .", "Project Manager : Bongiorno .", "Industrial Designer : I think you should punish him .", "Project Manager : Hmm . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : You're the P_M_ . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Punish . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I see some interesting {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay .", "User Interface : You wish . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Possibilities , yeah ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} People , welcome back .", "User Interface : Welcome . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The third meeting . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oop .", "Project Manager : Um I have some points I would like to {disfmarker} uh some some issues I would like to point out . Um {vocalsound} first of all , um if you make minutes yourself as well , uh like Sebastian does , um could you put them on the shared folder ? If you do not make minutes , no problem , but it's easy for me to see what you uh wrote down ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so I could {disfmarker} uh can uh um use that in the in the report . {vocalsound} Um the second thing , um {vocalsound} I was th uh s thinking to myself , I have this little remote control , and I'm talking to it , but I still need to point to the television , because it works with infrared . That's quite strange .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : Okay . We'll come to that later , I g I think .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} the agenda for now {disfmarker} uh uh are there any pre-discussion questions ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No .", "Industrial Designer : Not at all .", "Project Manager : Okay . Um", "Marketing : No .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : we wi we will have your individual presentations , uh then the decision on the remote control concept , um and uh the closing . Forty minutes in total for this . So um {vocalsound} I think we we can immedis immediately start with the individual presentations , um the progress you've made .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um I think it might be smart to look at uh Ruud's um information first , because I understood there are some uh significant changes in the market situation .", "Marketing : 'Kay . Hmm ?", "User Interface : Alright .", "Marketing : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Just press the okay button , it works .", "Marketing : Yeah , {gap} {disfmarker} Okay .", "Project Manager : Um yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah . My method ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} How surprising . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , findings . Uh {disfmarker} Ease of use is important , but uh innovation is more important , and a fancy look and feel is uh even more important . And uh some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables in their uh clothes , shoes and furniture ," ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 31, "turns": [ 132, 279 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "limitations , materials , remote control", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designer reported on how the interior should look and what the limitations of certain materials were for a decision to be made. Industrial designer commented that a remote control could be designed from two pieces, and one of them were a base station. Added that however it would be like designing two remote controls. Also felt that to achieve this, the use of certain materials should again be limited, because they were too expensive. For example, the scroll wheel, the LCD screen or the rubber button.", "title": "Limitations of Certain Materials", "relevant_turns": [ [ 84, 105 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "limitations , materials , remote control", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, about the materials, interior, look like, limitations to certain materials; still design a two-piece remote, an optional, big remote, lots of functions, or, take out the smaller piece; limit again, use of certain materials, because they would be too expensive, probably have to stick, traditional rubber button, but could be done.", "title": "Limitations of Certain Materials", "relevant_turns": [ [ 84, 105 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "decisions , component concept , user interface concept , chip-on-print , LCD screen , case", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about the decisions they needed to make at the end of the meeting. First, on the component concept, they needed to come up with the power supply, the overprint chip, and the case. Then for the user interface concept they had to decided what ribbon and what kind of plugins needed. Industrial designer responded about chip-on-print, that the more advanced features wanted, more elegant and expensive the chip would be. Industrial Designer replied to Project Manager about the LCD screen, that they could have it as long as the rubber was not near the controls. Project manager added that the casing had to be made of plastic. Finally, Project Manager concluded by asking if they had a good idea of \u200b\u200bwhat they were going to had to do with this.", "title": "Decisions to Made in the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 106, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "decisions , component concept , user interface concept , chip-on-print , LCD screen , case", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about the decisions they needed to make at the end of the meeting of the component concept and the user interface concept. Industrial designer responded about chip-on-print, LCD screen and the case.", "title": "Decisions to Made in the Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ [ 106, 135 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fruit aspect , importance", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager opined that the fruit aspect was on the bottom of importance. Although concluded that the shape would be enough to attract shoppers.", "title": "Importance of Fruit Aspect", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "fruit aspect , importance", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The outer appearance; Project Manager; if; were to make a decision; fruit aspect; lower end of the spectrum of importance; perhaps the implied shape; enough to lure that fruit-minded remote buyer.", "title": "Importance of Fruit Aspect", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "company colors", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designer commented that it could not be sold in any color because they were supposed to stick to the company colors, which were yellow and grey.", "title": "Company Colors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "company colors", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial designer commented that they were supposed to stick to the company colors, which were yellow and grey.", "title": "Company Colors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 32 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's the tricky thing .", "User Interface : Could we not you know have a shape with a scroll and the screen , and then j just sort of that initial shape we had , just which is uh sort of banana-esque . So that's {gap} thing if we did it yellow .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : And um you know you just p stick on just sort of rubber things that that sort of grip the thumb bit . They wouldn't have any {disfmarker} they're just on the exterior . They wouldn't be necessary to the actual shape of the thing .", "Project Manager : Is that an option , a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots ?", "Industrial Designer : S Certainly can be done yes . Um yeah . if that doesn't affect the functional side of it all .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like say just the underside or so then it can be done . I assume . Yeah . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The fruit design um {disfmarker} How about um affecting the surface of the actual um remote control ? Say we don't make it p a particular fruit shape obviously ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : but uh give it like the surface of an orange , banana , whatever . You name it .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : What about a smell ?", "Industrial Designer : Just design-wise .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : T {vocalsound} to the remote ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Nice one .", "User Interface : You could just sell it in different colours as well I suppose . In different ye yellows .", "Marketing : Bright citrus colours yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : I don't suppose we have to stick to co", "Industrial Designer : Well we we're supposed to stick to the company colours though ,", "User Interface : Stick to the colours yeah .", "Marketing : Oh yeah .", "Industrial Designer : that's yellow and grey .", "Marketing : Yellow and grey .", "Project Manager : Yellow and grey .", "Industrial Designer : So what have we , lemon , banana , is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm grapefruit . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Grapefruit .", "Industrial Designer : Grapefruit", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : is what we'd go for , when it comes to the outer appearance perhaps . But {disfmarker} mm .", "Project Manager : I would say , if I were to make a decision , I would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower lower end of the spectrum of of importance .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think having a shape could be a little ridiculous ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} like {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Well we have it banana-shaped already , kind of .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Well we kinda do yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit-minded remote buyer .", "User Interface : Yeah . {gap} {vocalsound} and if it if it was done yellow , which is a company colour .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And if it's yellow ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : It's it's yellow . It's curved .", "Industrial Designer : I it's yellow .", "Marketing : Grey buttons yeah .", "Project Manager : It's sort of {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well so why not add a couple of grey stripes and make it look like a banana ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : couple of couple of grey stripes .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} We could put the grey stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over .", "User Interface : On the the gr the rubbery grips could be grey .", "Project Manager : It would look like a banana just sitting on their table .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : There you go .", "Project Manager : Rather than {disfmarker} {vocalsound} rather th {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It could {disfmarker} and then you could actually h put the banana-shaped thing on the fruit bowl , on the coffee table ,", "Marketing : Oh .", "User Interface : and then people would always know where it was .", "Project Manager : Maybe the holder , if we were to have a holder , it could be shaped like a fruit .", "Marketing : Nice . Could look like a fruit bowl .", "Industrial Designer : It could be an ape . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Could be ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : it could be an ape or a fruit bowl . we could have a variety of options here .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Do you have more to your presentation ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} That's pretty much it . I informed you about the materials , what the interior has to look like , and what the limitations to certain materials are on", "Project Manager : Oh .", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} there you go .", "Project Manager : Okay . I'm gonna plug in here real quick . If I could .", "Industrial Designer : Sure . Hang on . There you go .", "Project Manager : Like I said we have to make a decision on a couple of these items here . Um {disfmarker} ow . Ow .", "Marketing : So is the two piece idea out ? Or have we not decided ?", "User Interface : Well we sort of {disfmarker} {gap} rid of that because {gap} gonna use a battery . And the base station might not be necessary .", "Marketing : Oh right okay .", "Industrial Designer : Well we can still design a two-piece uh remote um without having a base , having one of them be a base station ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions , or you take out the smaller piece .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : We can still do that . However {vocalsound} of course this would be like designing two remotes pretty much .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So um which then , as I understand it , would probably limit the , limit again the the the use of certain materials , because they would be too expensive . Say like have a scroll wheel and uh on both of them , or have an L_C_D_ screen and so on so on . You'd probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : design which we saw there .", "Marketing : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But could be done , of course .", "Project Manager : Okay . Uh so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting . Um for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source , um the chip-on-print , and the case . Probably case um material . And probably a shape also . Um and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the tape , what , what the type is . And what kind of supplements we'll have . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Energy source I think we've , I think we've decided batteries , although not exciting , are probably our best bet .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : And we have five minutes .", "Industrial Designer : Okay when it comes to the chip-on-print , as I said , the the more advanced features you want , um the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive . Uh if you want just a normal button version , the chip-on-print is gonna be", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : a cheap one .", "Project Manager : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : Right ?", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker} Um I guess we should pick the case then . If we go with the plasticky case , or the the plastic case , um then the chip-on-print is still kind of , we could have either or . We could have a complex one or a a non-complex . But did we decide that the rubbery feel was important enough to us ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well what about what you said , like putting the", "User Interface : Just {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "User Interface : just maybe {disfmarker}", "Marketing : finger grips just on top of the plastic ?", "User Interface : yeah . Just a little bit of {gap} .", "Project Manager : Okay . So we would , we would have the L_C_D_ screen ?", "Industrial Designer : {gap} as long as the pla uh the rubber is nowhere near the controls , yes .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . So I guess the case would be plastic , with {disfmarker} Perhaps that's not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it . It's more of a su it's more of a supplement maybe .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : M more of a l lamination perhaps . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : So then for the scroll , are we going for the iPod type ?", "User Interface : Yeah I think so . I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah ? Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Which will require a more expensive chip-on-print right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes . It does .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . So {disfmarker} I guess that , is that , is that about it ? So we have a good idea of what we're gonna need to to do on this ?", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : Um okay so we will have another meeting in thirty minutes . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Here's what's gonna be going on . Um {disfmarker} Um Ryan you'll be working on the user interface design . Um {disfmarker} Manuel you'll be working on the look-and-feel design .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Project Manager : Corrine we'll want a product evaluation . And the two of you get to play with the uh modelling components and uh", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : maybe and and get us a prototype . Which should go along well with your look-and-feel design and your interface .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So that {vocalsound} basically {gap} just be working on the prototype , {vocalsound} uh we'll accomplish your other two actions .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Alright . {vocalsound} Okay . Let's do it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 11, 87 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional features , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Push buttons cost much less than wheel sensors, the voice recognition chip had been basically developed but a decision about it would be taken later, the backlight would turn on upon any slight movement of the remote. All features would be within a limited cost.", "title": "Functional Features of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 31 ], [ 36, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional features , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Awheel sensor costs fifty times the price of a push button, the price of the remote should be twelve Euros maximum, an email from the manufacturing division that they had basically a voice recognition chip already developed. They just listened to this presentation and then made a decision later. They had some good things with the backlight of the push button, which could help users easily find the button in the dark, the light would be turned on when users move the remote control, so they could see the buttons better.", "title": "Functional Features of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 31 ], [ 36, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional features , remote", "speaker": "Industrial Design" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought of combining something with push button to cut expenses, along with the backlight which comes on upon any slight movement of the remote and makes it easy to locate the buttons in the dark, the features on the remote were good enough.", "title": "Functional Features for the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 34, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functional features , remote", "speaker": "Industrial Design" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; if we could combine something with the push button; a wheel sensor is fifty times the price of a push button; we have already some good things with the backlight of the push button; slightly more design that a squarey box with a rubber; see the buttons better; as soon as you thought to move the remote control you have the light.", "title": "Functional Features for the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 3, [ 34, 51 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control . The push button are usually extremely cheap , but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor , which seems to be quite expensive .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not {disfmarker} if if we could combine something with the push button .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But is it a significant price on the whole remote control ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah", "Project Manager : So will will will this with uh including all possible things , so buttons , wheel and the chip , be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce ?", "Industrial Designer : I I th {vocalsound} But I don't think that uh we should {disfmarker} We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay", "User Interface : Also have to say {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Did you receive the email about the voice recognition ?", "Industrial Designer : Um that's all {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No ?", "Project Manager : You received something {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : yeah . I haven't chec", "User Interface : Yeah . You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "User Interface : Says {disfmarker} Yeah . It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particular questions . But I guess it could be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And could it be adapted ?", "User Interface : I guess it's possible . I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uh something simpler like a command .", "Project Manager : Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff ?", "User Interface : Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff , so if they already have it as uh as a chip", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah .", "User Interface : then we we could use it .", "Project Manager : Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on {disfmarker} according to those news .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah but I think it's yeah {disfmarker} Sorry , I haven't written my personal references . Um {vocalsound} the I I just want to mention the the problem of the the r wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : and if we could reduce that . We we have already some good things uh with um um with the backlight of the push button .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . I have a question about that actually {vocalsound} . Um , what is the purpose of the light ?", "Industrial Designer : Just to to make something which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : You can easily find the button in the dark or so ?", "User Interface : But {disfmarker} But in th in the dark uh {disfmarker} Yeah but is going to be always turned on , the light ?", "Project Manager : It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think , no ?", "User Interface : But if you move it then you have it , you don't need to find it .", "Project Manager : Hmm .", "User Interface : You can see the buttons better , of course .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . True .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Actually .", "User Interface : But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to {disfmarker} when you move it to detect your movement .", "Industrial Designer : As soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light .", "User Interface : Yeah , but you need another sensor for that , right ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Again .", "User Interface : Yeah {vocalsound} no it's too expensive . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't think that this is really expensive , but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay . Mm . Extra . Yeah , okay . Mm . Yeah , but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} First of all I was thinking to have a a continuous light", "User Interface : yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control , when you want to turn off your device {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : But it can be uh battery consuming , no ? To have the light always on ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , a little bit . A little bit .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Well we will discuss that after maybe", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay", "Project Manager : the other presentations .", "User Interface : . So uh my one , it uh should be in the shared folder .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So . It was last time I saw it .", "Project Manager : And it is .", "User Interface : Okay . So ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} just move to the next slide . {vocalsound} So basically {vocalsound} want very simple , right ? That's the major idea , as simple as possible .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : So I just look at some current designs uh on the web , of usually more complicated remote controls . And let's look at two of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple . And in our case we just uh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 13, "turns": [ 434, 621 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "grey , yellow", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The Project Manager would like the product to reflect the corporate identity by using its colour code: grey and yellow.", "title": "The Corporate Color Code", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 21 ], [ 67, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "grey , yellow", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The Project Manager expressed the product should reflect the corporate identity by using its colours: grey and yellow because they're very colourful.", "title": "The Corporate Colour Code", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 21 ], [ 67, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rubber", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "The Project Manager and the Industrial Designer checked that the case would be in colourful rubber to keep the spongy feel as specifically requested by the customers. 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Uh the n the next phase will be um the um {disfmarker} not the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Sebas", "Industrial Designer : what is the next phase {gap} f Flores ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Well , we we {vocalsound} need to describe uh decisions now .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : So um", "Industrial Designer : So i", "Project Manager : on the energy , well , we decided .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Chip .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : The case uh rubber with uh c one one uh one curve .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , okay .", "Project Manager : User interface um", "User Interface : Uh but uh can't scroll-wheels uh work with one uh one-curved case ? Yeah , okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yes , they can work .", "User Interface : Sorry , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : They cannot work with double-curved .", "User Interface : Oh , sorry . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That's that's problem . I'll check it for you .", "Project Manager : Um then the corporate identity should be uh in the product . I guess that is something for Roo and Sebastian . Uh you talked about it before , the colours , grey and yellow .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Keep it in mind . And um the buttons , well we talked about it now . The next phase , um Sebastian , um is um the design of the look and feel . The user interface design .", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And for you , the product evaluation . Um I'm sure your personal coach will give you more information on that .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um and uh the I_D_ and the U_I_D_ need to work together on the prototype drawing on the SMARTboard .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : And I'm going uh to plan my holidays . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The project drawing is for the next {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : So you will be on the Bahamas . Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's it's uh {disfmarker} when we come back in thirty minutes , uh you will have a uh prototype ready .", "User Interface : Yeah , right .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So can you uh give us a summary of all uh decisions we've made ?", "Project Manager : Yeah ? I can . Um maybe one of you could write it down .", "Industrial Designer : I'll do .", "Project Manager : Great . Um {disfmarker} Uh you you need to help me . Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . W start with the casing .", "Project Manager : The casing is curved , single-curved .", "User Interface : Single-curved .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , single-curved case . Okay . What about the energy source ?", "Project Manager : Traditional batteries uh and solar .", "User Interface : But can there be uh wor can they work together ? Or do we have to choose between them ?", "Project Manager : No ,", "User Interface : 'Cause if we have to choose {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : they can be complementary . Uh al al I uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : yeah ?", "Industrial Designer : I I think they can . Yes .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Well , uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Every device {disfmarker}", "User Interface : What if not ?", "Industrial Designer : It it should be . There should be really no problem .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : They can be supplementary . That's no problem .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay , um", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : th", "Industrial Designer : So uh uh just uh the energy source is um the batteries and the solar .", "Project Manager : Battery and solar , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . What about uh the finishing of the case ? We have decided we wanted to use the rubber ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , with colourful rubber .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh if it's possible with uh different um covers , but I'm not sure if our suppliers can uh can help us with uh with such uh uh a wish .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , and I think we should use the company colours . Something like black and red . {gap} uh black and yellow .", "Project Manager : Uh grey and yellow or black and yellow . Yeah .", "User Interface : Grey and yellow .", "Industrial Designer : Grey yellow , okay .", "User Interface : Yellow case and grey buttons , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah , although I don't think that's very colourful . Except for the yellow of course ,", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : but um I could think of a more uh attractive uh c uh set of colours .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , I think it's uh {disfmarker} it's not very dull . It's quite modern actually . Don't you think ?", "Project Manager : Well , I was more thinking about the fruit colours that the Ruud showed us before .", "User Interface : I believe the {disfmarker} But you have already um {disfmarker} you must have a red uh on and off button . And um {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker} well {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , it it doesn't have to be red . Uh I mean th uh I think these colours are really what our young people are looking for . Um so maybe it shouldn't even be two colours , it should be a full colour cover with such an image", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : or or {disfmarker} I mean thinking in two colours is is too black and white for our m uh c uh market group , I guess .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Or black and yellow .", "Project Manager : Black and yellow , yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : but uh I'm afraid it's not possible to print a picture on uh the device . Because uh I agree it would be nice to have have something like that on the device itself . But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , there is . {vocalsound} Just a week ago , a keyboard manufacturer would print ,", "Industrial Designer : Oh , I've read .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : with {gap} and uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes . Yes ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} No .", "Industrial Designer : but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its uh techniques . They're actually very slow in its techniques .", "Project Manager : Okay , so we have to deal with wh what's possible here .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker} So I'm afraid it's not possible .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay . Um more f more more decisions we made . Um {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : A scroll-wheel .", "Project Manager : The scroll-heel . Yes , the voice recognition we already decided .", "User Interface : Voice recognition , of course .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so scroll-wheel . But there will be some additional buttons , I guess .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And th the {disfmarker} they should be spongy also , because they're they're rubber too .", "Project Manager : Uh I'm going to leave that up to you two . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : What what did you say ?", "Industrial Designer : Well uh you can use {disfmarker} well , when you use the buttons , they'll they'll be made of rubber too .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So it has th the spongy uh feel also .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , or you could use plastic buttons . In the rubber .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think rubber is nice . Because it uh i I mean what do you touch the button , and what do they want spongy uh uh devices , or or i", "User Interface : Yeah , b But then you just have the the fact that um the drawings on the buttons will disappear eventually .", "Project Manager : {gap} .", "User Interface : What I said in the in the first uh discussion , uh the digit six on the button , it will disappear when it's from rubber .", "Project Manager : Uh is that {disfmarker} uh does our our supplier say so ?", "User Interface : It is not uh something uh {disfmarker} it's no information I read about it or so , but it's just from {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Uh didn't {disfmarker} did we inc uh include the digi digits or uh leave them to the speech recognition ?", "User Interface : No , but but uh it {disfmarker}", "Marketing : 'Cause things like uh volume could be uh placed next to the button .", "Project Manager : Yeah . You could place a {disfmarker} um uh this this would be the button .", "Marketing : There {disfmarker} the icons .", "Project Manager : The scroll-wheel , I mean . And you could place the indica th th the signals the {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , b yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's possible ,", "Industrial Designer : That's okay .", "Marketing : So you don't touch the icons that much .", "User Interface : but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case . So still then , if you feel uh li uh if you feel your remote control , you just rub on the cover , so you rub on the painting .", "Project Manager : No no , there's no painting , only uh yellow or {disfmarker} But it's into the rubber .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah , but but the the plus or the minus .", "Project Manager : Yeah , but this is on the pla", "User Interface : You have to draw the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes , the signs .", "Project Manager : yeah , I know . Um I think uh I know which you understand af uh I know what you mean .", "User Interface : Yeah , it's on the cover . So if you uh {disfmarker} You just move the problem .", "Project Manager : What about um making this rubber and making this plastic ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh I see what you mean . Well , maybe that's possible , because um uh our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing . So maybe they can combine these two .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Well actually , we should have it the other way around , I guess . A plastic cover with rubber finishing . I mean , this is this is the finishing . This is um what's on the edge . What you feel .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But the front , on which the the buttons are doesn't have to be rubber .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I mean {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well , I'm I'm not so sure ,", "User Interface : Y uh can you separate these uh these {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I think it c should be Well , I'm not sure , I have to ask with manufacturing , but I'm I'm not sure that's what you want , because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel , and that's what you get with rubber . So if you want the spongy feel , you need uh to make these buttons all all of rubber .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I know , but do you touch this or do you touch this ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I think both .", "Project Manager : I mean , I I never touch between the buttons .", "User Interface : I do . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I do .", "User Interface : Or the s uh the sideways .", "Industrial Designer : I think {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Or the the back . Or the back .", "Project Manager : Yeah , the side , exactly , the sideways . The side , but do you touch between the the {disfmarker} these buttons ?", "User Interface : I think {disfmarker} Yes , especially when there are l a few buttons on it , you have uh a lot of space to touch . So you just have it in your hand completely or or {disfmarker} i you play with it .", "Project Manager : Okay . Well , we do not have very much time uh left . Um I guess you two have to figure that out . I'm going to leave the decision to you ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : um because you have to make its prototype , and um {disfmarker} yeah y you have the most knowledge about the suppliers , the possibilities and uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : so I'm going to leave it {disfmarker} the decision with you . Um Sebastian , did you write enough decisions down ?", "Industrial Designer : Um not quite . Um what about uh the chips ? We use the regular chip ?", "User Interface : Regular .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Use with {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : Well {disfmarker} no , I think that's about it . Yes .", "Project Manager : Okay . With those regular chips we can still uh control advanced functions . The chip is is not really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced uh version of the chip supports L_C_D_ . That's all .", "Project Manager : Okay , well .", "Industrial Designer : And we've decided not to use L_C_D_ .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Um okay , then I think we are uh quite finished . Um I'll see you guys in thirty minutes and um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {gap} . For the finishing touch .", "Project Manager : Yeah ? Yeah , um if you write {disfmarker} wrote anything down , uh could you put it on the shared folder ?", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Okay .", "User Interface : Uh yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : But um Sebastian has everything .", "Project Manager : I know , but {disfmarker} well {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I'll put it online .", "Project Manager : Great . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Right ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 50, "turns": [ 112, 139 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "question", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM , Dr Frank Atherton , Suzy Davies AM" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked the question about there being merit that made all children equal and eating similar good quality food in schools, also spoke of some of that \u00a356 million sugar tax. Dr Frank Atherton agreed and said it brought them back to the question of universal school meals. 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Janet Finch-Saunders AM would not want to see parents being policed over their packed lunches.", "title": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM on School Meals and Packed Lunch", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "amazing schools", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM talked about some amazing schools in the constituency with canteen facilities, spoke of parents providing packed lunch that was not good at all, and would love to see the introduction of universal school meals.", "title": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM on School Meals and Packed Lunch", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "children", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton , Janet Finch-Saunders AM" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton talked of rewarding children for bringing a healthy lunch and the sorts of things that were expected to be seen in the lunch box, and that children responded to rewards. Janet Finch-Saunders AM said they could not do it and asked about the presence of the merit of all children being equal and eating similar-good quality food in schools.", "title": "Dr Frank Atherton's Solution to Bringing Healthy Lunch", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 3 ], [ 14, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "children", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton , Janet Finch-Saunders AM" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton talked of the ability of the public's ability to recognize large children as being an issue, also talked of the interventions that could be placed either through primary care or communities through health visitors, et cetera for when children run into issues around weight. Dr Frank Atherton said they had started to shine a light on the very overweight children. Janet Finch-Saunders AM said the draft plan recognized the importance of the first 1000 days, but it did not appear to include new proposals to help parents to enable lifestyle change. It listed existing initiatives such as Healthy Child Wales programs and breastfeeding action plans.", "title": "Recognizing Large Children and Helping them", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 3 ], [ 14, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "minister", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM said that item 3 was papers to note. Papers to note 1 was a letter from the Welsh Health Specialised Services Committee on CAMHS tier 4 provision. Paper to note 2 was a letter from the Minister for Health and social service on CAMHS in-patient provision. Paper to note 3 was a letter from Qualifications Wales to the Education Minister on the new curriculum qualifications. Paper to note 5 was a letter from Lynne Neagle AM to the minister of education on the new curriculum development. Paper to note 6 was a letter seeking clarification on the draft's additional learning needs, it came from the Minister.", "title": "Papers to Note Touching on Various Issues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "minister", "speaker": "Lynne Neagle AM" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM said paper note 7 from the Minister for education sought clarification on the response to their Brexit report. Paper to note 8 was a letter from the Equality and Human Rights Commission on a cumulative impact assessment for the committee which had been offered. A letter on a national task force for children's mental health from the Chair of Petitions Committee. Paper to note 10 was a letter to the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union from the children's commissioners for England, Nothern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland on the implications of Brexit for children.", "title": "Papers to Note Touching on Various Issues", "relevant_turns": [ [ 23, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pathway", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM talked of the 'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' plan committed to a review of the clinical obesity pathway. They asked Public Health Wales to undertake a review for that pathway. Dr Frank Atherton was not sure of the time frame they had given them. Nathan Cook said they were asking them to review the pathway before they launched the final strategy.", "title": "Dr Frank Atherton's Opinion on Their Pathway", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 14 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pathway", "speaker": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM , Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Janet Finch-Saunders AM asked for the time frames for the review and what Dr Frank Atherton thought were the basic essentials of a clinical obesity pathway for children and young people. Fr Frank Atherton said they had a pathway for managing overweight placed since 2010 and they did not bring that up to date in terms of current knowledge and experiences. Nathan Cook said the final launch strategy was in October after the pathway review, they wanted it to inform what the final strategy looked like. They would be looking at early autumn for them to return back on that. Dr Frank Atherton thought there was something about looking at their whole pathway and mapping what the current evidence showed them and thinking about their provision in Wales and what they needed to bring it up to the level of best places.", "title": "Dr Frank Atherton's Opinion on Their Pathway", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 14 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : I've got some supplementaries from Janet and then Suzy.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Yes. I've been around some amazing schools in my own constituency, where they've got proper canteen facilities for pupils and really, really good produce in the meals. However, there's probably only a third having school meals; the rest are packed lunches. And, to be honest, I've been very surprised and shocked at what I've seen of the quality of the food in the packed lunches. Nobody can really police, and I wouldn't want to see parents being policed over what goes in a packed lunch, so if there is data out there to suggest that there's a larger percentage of parents providing packed lunched that are really not good at all, then there is some merit to be said for what Hefin is\u2014. Me, personally, I'd love to see the introduction of universal school meals. I think it's been a very retrograde step, going backwards. Would you be willing to carry out any research?", "Dr Frank Atherton : So, I mean, your point about food that's brought in in the packed lunches is a really important one, and I've talked to some headteachers as well about this. We could go down a route of guidance and prohibition, but that gets you into the role of nanny in chief and I don't really see that as my role or Government's role, and I don't think it's effective either. Do you remember\u2014? You must have seen on tv\u2014I think it was in Scotland; I don't know if it's happened in Wales\u2014parents pushing the fish and chip packets through the school railings. We don't need to get into that. What I have seen, though, is some really good innovative practice in schools where, for example, they reward children for bringing the healthy options. Schools can give guidance to parents about what would be a healthy lunch and what sort of things might be expected to be seen in the lunch box. And you can reward children, and children do respond to rewards. So, I've seen some of those approaches that have transformed, actually, the offer of what comes in school boxes. But I think just banning chocolate bars and crisps in the packed lunch is unlikely to be successful.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : We can't do that. So, my point to the question was: isn't there some merit, perhaps, about all children being equal and eating similar good-quality food in schools?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Yes. That gets you back to the question about universal school meals.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Perhaps some of that \u00a356 million sugar tax, even. Who knows?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Suzy.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes. Mine is just a short question. The draft plan commits, doesn't it, to updating the healthy eating in schools regulations\u2014the 2013 regulations? I appreciate this is a consultation, but what is it that needs changing in those regulations at the moment, just to give us a bit of steer?", "Nathan Cook : It's mainly on sugar content, so, obviously, they don't adhere to current Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition guidelines around sugar levels. So, what we'd want to consider is, you know, what we need to be careful of is unintended consequences of changing that, as well, if you see a shift to more kids bringing in school packed lunches as well. So, I think we want to consider the best way of doing that and consider through the consultation how we can go about it.", "Suzy Davies AM : All right. So, it's very pertinent to Janet's question, in that way. Okay, so it's mainly about sugar, but it could be about other things as well. Okay. Thanks.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. The next questions are from Janet anyway; firstly, on the clinical obesity pathway.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : The 'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' plan commits to a review of the clinical obesity pathway. What are the time frames for this review, and what do you think are the basic essentials of a clinical obesity pathway for children and young people?", "Dr Frank Atherton : We do have a pathway for managing overweight, and that's been in place since about 2010, I believe, and we do need to bring that up to date in terms of current knowledge and experiences. We've challenged Public Health Wales; we've asked Public Health Wales to undertake a review of that pathway, and they are going through that process now. I'm not sure of exactly the time frame that we have given them for that.", "Nathan Cook : We were asking them to review the pathway before we launch the final strategy in October because, obviously, what we want is for that to inform what that final strategy looks like. So, we'll be looking probably early autumn for them to report back on that.", "Dr Frank Atherton : The second point of your question about what are the essential elements, I mean, they are already there; we need to tweak them and we need to make sure that they're properly delivered. But it's a tiered approach, so, having access to information through schools and through communities and into families is part of the first step of that. And then, if children are overweight, it's a question about how they're identified. There are questions about the ability of the public to recognise large children, so there may be an issue there. But when children are running into issues around weight, what kind of interventions can be put in, either through primary care or through communities through health visitors, et cetera? And then of course we do have\u2014and we've started to shine a light on this, haven't we\u2014the very overweight children. I don't think we have enough in the way of targeted support to be able to support those. There are programmes available, but they're perhaps not universally provided. So, I think there's something about looking at our whole pathway, mapping out what the current evidence now shows us is needed, and then thinking about what is our provision in Wales and what do we need to do to bring that up to the level of the places that are the best.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. The draft plan recognises the importance of the first 1,000 days, but it doesn't appear to include any new proposals to help parents to enable lifestyle changes. It lists existing initiatives, such as the Healthy Child Wales programme and breastfeeding action plan. Are you satisfied that the draft plan does enough to address the influence that family and parents have on children's healthy weight behaviours, particularly in the first 1,000 days?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, the first 1,000 days are really critically in shaping lives, as I'm sure you'd agree. We are absolutely open to any other suggestions that the public or this committee have as to what more we can and should do. There are a number of things, the sorts of programmes you've mentioned, that I think could be more effective. We're currently looking at breastfeeding because it starts before birth, actually. We know that children who are breastfed are less likely to suffer from obesity in childhood and, indeed, to go on to be obese adults. So, we do need to go further on that. We do have some programmes\u2014Healthy Working Wales, et cetera\u2014that need to be improved. If there are other interventions in other areas that we need to take, then we'd be delighted to hear what they are, but those are the ones that have jumped out so far.", "Nathan Cook : Can I just say\u2014? One of the proposals we're looking for is, obviously, we know that during pregnancy it's a really critical time when we can actually look to work with mothers. We know from looking at some of the behaviour change that it's actually a really critical point when new mothers really start thinking about their lives, wanting the best for their child and their families. So, what we are thinking about is how we could develop some kind of approaches to that going forward. But we know our Healthy Start scheme is also a good lever for us, just in terms of how we can look to improve that kind of dietary offer at the earliest stage as well.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you. Finally, we know that for some families day-to-day challenges can make it difficult for them to make healthy choices, particularly for those on lower incomes and/or maybe using food banks. Could the Welsh Government take bolder action to better support low-income families to eat healthily?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, you've touched on a really important point about inequalities because overweight and obesity is not evenly distributed across our population. It absolutely is more prevalent in more socioeconomically deprived communities, and that's something that should really concern us all. So, it gets you to questions of availability of fresh food and produce; it gets you to questions of formulation of products and whether value brands are less healthy than more premium brands. So, it cuts across all of those issues that we talked about in terms of settings and in terms of environment earlier. There is something about the affordability of good-quality healthy food that we need to think about. We do need to think in broad terms\u2014broader terms than just obesity, but we do need to think in broad terms\u2014about how we create a society where families have the wherewithal to lead healthy lives, and that gets you to really important questions about the minimum wage and income poverty. There's no doubt in my mind\u2014I'm a public health professional\u2014and there's no doubt in my mind that economic success and health success go hand in hand. So, you speak to a very deep question there. In terms of what we can do through this particular consultation, there are some things in there about providing better access, but without tackling some of those deeper determinants of health, their impact will necessarily be limited.", "Janet Finch-Saunders AM : Thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Just finally from me, then, you referred earlier to the importance of making every contact count, but some stakeholders have told the committee that they struggle to do that because of difficulties in availability of people to refer to. Is that a situation that you recognise and what, really, can we do to improve that situation?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, it depends what you mean as to where to refer to. So, the health system obviously needs to respond to this issue. What we're seeing across the NHS is a gradual transformation in primary care so that primary care is no longer about going to see your GP, it's about going to see a practice where you have a range of health professionals. Would I like to see more dietetic support, for example, in that setting? Absolutely I would. I think we need to think in terms of that pathway that we were talking about earlier, about access to that kind of advice and support, which can head off people getting into problems and kids getting into problems with weight issues. So, that question of redesign of the pathway really speaks to, I think, your point about, 'Well, where do people go when they have problems with their weight?' That's true for adults and it's true for children as well.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Are there any other questions from Members? No. Okay. Well, can I thank you both very much for your attendance? It's been a really productive session. We appreciate your time. You will be sent a transcript to check for accuracy in due course, but thank you again.", "Dr Frank Atherton : We'll do that. Thank you, Chair, and thank you to the committee, because getting some input into the consultation from children's perspectives, this would be one of the routes we would absolutely welcome. Thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you very much. Item 3, then, is papers to note. Paper to note 1 is a letter from the Welsh Health Specialised Services Committee on CAMHS tier 4 provision. Paper to note 2 is a letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services also on CAMHS in-patient provision. Paper to note 3 is a letter from the Children Commissioner for Wales on tier 4 CAMHS provision. Paper to note 4 is a letter from Qualifications Wales to the Minister for Education on qualifications for the new curriculum. Paper to note 5 is a letter from me to the Minister for Education on the development of the new curriculum. Paper to note 6 is a letter from me to the Minister for Education seeking clarification on the draft additional learning needs code. Paper to note 7 is a letter from me to the Minister for Education seeking clarification on the response to our Brexit report. Paper to note 8 is a letter from the Equality and Human Rights Commission on a cumulative impact assessment briefing for committee, which has been offered. Paper to note 9 is a letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee on a national taskforce for children\u2019s mental health. Paper to note 10 is a letter to the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union from the children\u2019s commissioners for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on the implications of Brexit for children. There are a few that I'd like to return to in private, but are Members happy to note those? Thank you. Okay. Item 4, then, is a motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. Are Members content?", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes. There's somebody up there.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 75, "turns": [ 127, 213 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "components , remote control , construction", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the first component was the case, the second was the integrated circuit, and the other components were the resistor, capacitor, diode, transistor, resonator, and battery", "title": "Components for Construction of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "components , remote control , construction", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said the components which they required for the remote control construction were the case to keep all the components like integrated circuit, battery which be strong and made of plastic with no harmful materials and be recyclable, the second important thing was the integrated circuit which was like the heart of the remote controller and it should be resistant to high and low temperatures and equipped with timer and alarm facility, the other components were the resistor for electricity flow through the remote, a capacitor which was like a battery, diode, transistor, and a resonator.", "title": "Components for Construction of Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "working design , remote", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that when a button was pressed it would send some signals through the wires and the chip would send a start connection and know which button was pressed and produces a morse code line signal specific to that button.", "title": "Working Principle of Remote Controller", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "working design , remote", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that when a button was pressed it completes a specific connection and there would be a small circuit underneath the button that sends some signals through the wires and the chip would send a start connection and know which button was pressed and produces a morse code line signal specific to that button and the transistor would amplify the signal and send then to the LED which translates the signal into infrared light and the sensor on the TV would see the infrared light and react appropriately when it sees the amplified morse code signal and it would know what action it had to do. and then it would do the appropriate action.", "title": "Working Principle of Remote Controller", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "circuit board", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said that building a circuit board was pretty easy and inexpensive and it costs less than what was printed on paper because going for printing one could build circuit boards in bulk since there was no need to use wires.", "title": "Printing of Circuit Board", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "circuit board", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said building a circuit board was pretty easy and also inexpensive as it costs less than what you print on paper because when building some circuits and wires it was better to go for printing because one could build these kinds of circuit boards on bulk and it was just printing thus no need to use wires and all and those prints would act as wires and circuits as it was not exactly wires they would be using but printing something on board.", "title": "Printing of Circuit Board", "relevant_turns": [ [ 50, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked if on the scroll and push-buttons one could achieve scrolling by repeatedly pushing a button. Industrial Designer said no since the scrolling wheels were different.", "title": "How Scrolling Wheels Work in Remotes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 56, 65 ], [ 74, 86 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "scroll", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked on the scroll and the push-button if one could achieve scrolling by repeatedly pushing a button. Industrial Designer said no since the scrolling wheels were different and one could go for switches like buttons or scrolls which nobody uses because they need a sophisticated chip so it was better they go for ordinary push-buttons and that a scroll wheel requires normally a regular chip which has a higher price range.", "title": "How Scrolling Wheels Work in Remotes", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 63 ], [ 74, 86 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : The components design .", "Industrial Designer : Components .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Um this time I'm I'm going to um concentrate more on the components and the technical side of the remote controller design .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , can you go on to the next slide , please .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : I have just brief {vocalsound} uh down few uh components which we require for the remote control uh construction .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh the first one is case to keep all the components like integrated circuit , battery , etcetera , etcetera , it's like {disfmarker} Uh it can be a plastic one , hard plastic , so that it can be strong , even if you just uh uh , {vocalsound} you know , if you {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if it falls down , then it doesn't {vocalsound} break . So it should be strong .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And uh uh there are no harmful materials used in that . And it should be recyclable .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh and uh {vocalsound} ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Good point .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , and also uh using of colouring compon components like uh if we want to have different colours , blue , red , green , so uh uh we have to use uh some colouring compone compone components . And uh the second important thing is uh uh uh integrated circuit .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh which uh we can use a highly sophisticated one because it's like the it's like the heart of the remote controller . If it is not efficient then everything wi is going to be uh like um the lef ess less efficient so it {disfmarker} you should {disfmarker} we should have a highly sophisticated one . And it should be resistant to high as well as uh low temperatures . Suppose if it is thirty-eight degrees outside forty degrees outside , it should it should uh {vocalsound} be able to re uh resist the uh temperature uh uh highs and uh high temperatures and low temperatures . And uh it should be with uh {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} equipped with timer and alarm facility . And the uh other component we should {disfmarker} uh we have in the remote controller is a resistor uh which is like uh uh i it is very very much important for the electricity uh flow through {vocalsound} through through the uh remote controller and uh also a capacitor which is a b which is a m I think it's it's like a battery , capacitor . Can you go on to the next slide , please ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh a diode , a transistor , a resonator , these are all this uh technical uh electri electronic compons uh components which are {disfmarker} which we have to use in a remote controller . A battery uh , I would like to suggest one thing uh if we {disfmarker} uh if we will be able to make a res rechargeable battery then we sh we need not go for a high performance battery , even if it is a low performance battery it ca it can't l it can't charge much .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : It it it's not a high voltage battery . Then also we can {disfmarker} If it is a rechargeable one , then uh people can use it for a long time , so in that way we can cut cut the cost , but w uh uh that we have to make the battery as rechargeable one . And we we have a circuit board uh in a remote controller . Can you go to the next slide , please . And how it works , how the remote controller works .", "Project Manager : Go away .", "Industrial Designer : Thank you . Uh when you press a button , when you do that , you complete a specific connection that means when you when you press a button there will be a s a small circuit underneath the button , and it will send some signals through the wires ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and then uh the chip will send start connection and knows that which button is pressed . Suppose you have pressed channel one button , number one you have pressed , then the uh chip will know that the number one button was pressed .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It pros produces a mors morse code line signal specific to that button . Every button , every individual button , has its own morse code . Suppose uh the uh user has pressed butto button one , then it will have a spe the circuit will generate a specific morse code to b {vocalsound} that that button , and the transistor will amplify the signal and send then to the L_E_D_ which translates the signal into infrared light . Like {vocalsound} you have got a signal by pressing a button . That's a d a morse code has been generated by the integrated circuit . Now , that signal , that morse code , has to be amplified by the transistor . That is the use of transist transistor we {disfmarker} which we use in the remote controller . It will amplify the signal and it will send it to the L_E_D_ and which translates the signal into an infra infrared bits . The sensor on the T_V_ can see the infrared light , and seeing the signal seeing the signal re it reacts appropriately , that when it sees the amplified mo morse code signal , then it will uh it will uh know which uh what what action it has to uh do . Then it will do the appropriate action . So uh this is how the remote controller works .", "User Interface : It works .", "Industrial Designer : Can you go to the next slide , please . Yeah , I have few pictures . When you look at the uh um remote controller uh it's it's {vocalsound} it {disfmarker} this is a normal remote controller . And {gap} to the next slide , please .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And where we had a a few buttons and all . And uh if you open the remote controller you have this circui circuit board and few electronic components ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : like you can see a chip there which is having eighteen pins ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and also a capac uh a capacitor , three resistors and also a resonator uh um mm {disfmarker} yeah , and di and a diode transistor .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : The electronic components {disfmarker} uh all of the electronic components have all those uh things like a chip and d {vocalsound} diode transistors an Yeah , di um can y uh you can see the T_A_ double one eight three five labelled uh chip um .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Mm yes .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Uh you can also see the uh uh the green {disfmarker} two green things are uh these are {disfmarker} they are {disfmarker} they are resistors ,", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and uh just beside that you can see a transistor , and a uh uh cylinder shape , uh that one is a capacitor . Uh and also there are uh {vocalsound} um resistors {disfmarker} uh sorry , ther there is a diode .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Can you go {disfmarker} go on to the next slide .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : So uh this is the circuit board . The green one is a circuit board . Actually , uh building a circuit bo board is pretty pretty uh easy and also it's a it's a l l inexpensive . Uh it's it costs less than what you print on a paper , because uh {vocalsound} uh when you {disfmarker} when you are building uh some circuits {disfmarker} some um uh circuits and also wires , it's it's better to go for printing , because uh you can build these kind of k circuit boards on a on a bulk and it's just printing , nothing like uh , you know , you don't need to use wires and all .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : It's not exactly wires we are using . It's just printing something on a board .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Tha tho those prints will acti act as wires and ci uh circuits . So th that green uh thing is a circuit board , and also you can see uh there are b s like uh um access for buttons , like when you press a button , the circuit under the button will be activated uh th it will it will he get some signals from it and it will uh it will ch its ch se send a signal {disfmarker} signals to the , yeah , um integrated circuit .", "User Interface : Transmit .", "Industrial Designer : Can you go to the next slide , please . Uh so this is {disfmarker} these are the circuits un underneath the buttons . Uh can you see the black uh , round marks ?", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : They they are the circuits .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Next , please . And um like uh we have uh designed uh before we have seen some uh few things like {vocalsound} instead off buttons we have some scrolls . Uh b but a b a push-button requires a simple chip underneath it , but whereas a scroll wheel requires normally a regular chip which is a higher price range . Like for s scrolls we have to go for a sophisticated and and k uh {vocalsound} uh uh full {disfmarker} a complete chip .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh and a as energy source we offer a basic battery , a more ingenious uh hard dynamo , um a kinetic provision of energy , more than what is that you shake casually to provide energy . So that also we can have in a battery , uh or we can use solar sells . Uh .", "Marketing : Hmm , that's interesting .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Uh yeah uh the product can be de delivered into different cases . Uh usually , the cases and card flat {vocalsound} that w we see usually uh d uh a normal remote controller .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Um .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And you have more pictures . Uh we have five minutes to the end of the meeting .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , maybe d uh I have just one more slide , I think . Um . Like we can have a ma material such as plastic , rubber , wood , titanium , but titanium we can't use . Um and also for electronics we can use a simple and regular um re {vocalsound} or an advanced chip on the print , um also infra it includes the infrared se sender . Um yeah the uh {disfmarker} for the movie just to j develop uh samples and so spe sample speaker . An Yeah , that's it . It's all for me now ,", "Project Manager : Okay , well thank you .", "Industrial Designer : thank you .", "Project Manager : Any particular comments by anybody ?", "Marketing : Uh yeah , on the scroll and the push-button , um ca you can achieve scrolling by repeatedly pushing a button ?", "Industrial Designer : No , no , no , th the the the scrolling wheels are different , like you can go for a sw switches like buttons or scrolls , uh {vocalsound} which which we used to do before ten ten years before , I think .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Now , nobody uses that because you need you need a a k sophisticated chip and all .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So I think it's better we go for uh um ordinary buttons .", "Marketing : Um . We'll just go for push buttons", "Industrial Designer : Yeah uh yeah , push-buttons . Yeah .", "User Interface : Push-buttons .", "Marketing : for {disfmarker} in the interest of cost .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 34, "turns": [ 546, 603 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whistle , voice recognition", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface concluded that if voice recognition was not feasible they could opt for a whistle to look the remote control if it was lost.", "title": "Voice Recognition or Whistle", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "whistle , voice recognition", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "Talking of voice recognition, not for how to look, remote control, lost; looking at voice. William was suggesting, last thing some devices, put on key chains; the whistle, if financially voice recognition, not feasible, go for a whistle.", "title": "Voice Recognition or Whistle", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 11 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "company logo", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked about incorporating the company logo, because they wanted it to be noticed that it was their product.", "title": "The Company Logo", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "company logo", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing brought up the idea of \u200b\u200bincorporating the company's logo because, in the report from the last meeting, it was said that it wasn't just a case of having a little RR hidden somewhere, they wanted it to be obvious that it was their product.", "title": "The Company Logo", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 31 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound} for the decisions that we've made , kinetic charging , the watch-type batteries , um {vocalsound} L_C_D_ display on th the top side of the flip top , rubberised buttons on the bottom side , we're gonna use fruit and vegetable colours for the rubber cover , the case itself is plastic . That's how far we've got , what else do we have to add to our decisions here ?", "User Interface : Fine , uh we were talking of voice recognition also", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : because that {disfmarker} we are not {gap} for how to look it uh remote control if it's lost .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So , are we looking at voice {gap} ?", "Marketing : Yes , it was just , there was just a cost issue with that , but it's a good idea we just need to check on the cost ,", "User Interface : Or maybe like uh William was suggesting in the last thing some devices you put on key chains .", "Marketing : is that right ?", "User Interface : For l yeah , the whistle .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah , yeah the whistle ones , yeah .", "User Interface : So we can {disfmarker} if financially voice recognition is not feasible we could go for a whistle .", "Marketing : And incorporating the company logo ?", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : Have you {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh sorry I didn't mention this , but we'll be incorporating in the design .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : 'Cause I took it from the feedback you gave in the last meeting from y from y your report , it's not just a case of having a little R_R_ hidden somewhere , they do want it to be obvious that it's our product", "Project Manager : Well they do ,", "Marketing : don't they ?", "Project Manager : but I think we can {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Since it's the only one of its kind on the market it's obviously gonna be ours .", "Project Manager : well it is , it is , I think you just address that with um advertising .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , you associate the name with the individual product that it is", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and that does the work for you .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Obviously it'll have a logo on it just like everything , but everything else has a logo on it . The point is that it's got to stand out somehow differently but I think it does , without that", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : so I'm not worried about that .", "Marketing : Okay . Did we {disfmarker} I know at the last meeting we spoke about a beeper , I think that was you talked about a beeper for a location , have we just rejected that in favour of voice recognition then ?", "Project Manager : Depending on how i {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , depending on the expense of it .", "Project Manager : I mean we've got this memo saying that it's something that the company's looking into , so", "Industrial Designer : And they've got in stock , so yeah .", "Project Manager : um that seems to make sense , but if it turns out that it's hugely expensive we'd have to cut down somewhere else , then it's worth thinking about . But I think we'll find out more about cost afterwards .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Right I'm going to wrap it up there .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Fine .", "Project Manager : I got a end meeting now message on my mo", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : yeah", "Industrial Designer : Did it ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} so . Um", "User Interface : Again a questionnaire huh ?", "Project Manager : so I think we've probably got {disfmarker} it says , closing we have forty minutes", "Marketing : You got to go through .", "Project Manager : so I um think we've probably got about that time before we come back .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's either that or we only had forty minutes to discuss what we just discussed and don't know how long that took {gap} .", "User Interface : I think we are pretty going in a clear direction now .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Is everyone happy ? {vocalsound} Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 10, "turns": [ 65, 111 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "nice walls", "speaker": "Grad B , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad B said that they had a separate feature of \"nice walls\" but have decided to put it on same line for space. Grad D asked if the nice walls could be on different lines but in the particular domain landmark-iness was correlated.", "title": "Adding the Nice Walls Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "nice walls", "speaker": "Grad B , Grad D" }, "summary": "Grad B; actually have a separate feature but I decided to put it on the same line for space. \"Nice walls\"; could look up because; mean if you're gonna get real close to a building in the Tango mode, right, there's gotta be a reason for it; And it's either because you're in route to something else or you wanna look at the walls; either could put \"nice walls\" on its own line or \"open to suggestions\" off the slide; Grad D; So \"nice walls\" is a stand in for like architecturally it, significant.", "title": "Adding the Nice Walls Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 19 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "saliency", "speaker": "Grad B , Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad B talked about the the list of things they were to talk about, the landmark-iness. Grad A said was wondering whether landmark-iness was same as saliency but it was not.", "title": "Differentiating Saliency From Landmark-iness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 3 ], [ 44, 46 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "saliency", "speaker": "Grad B , Grad A" }, "summary": "Grad B said the features they decided and they were to talk about were the prosody, the discourse, verb choice. Grad B also pointed out that they had a list of several things like \"to go\" and \"to visit\" and whatever. Grad B believed that they would like the \"landmark-iness\". Grad A said there was a term that was often used called \"saliency\" , or the \"salience\" of an object and was wondering whether that was the same as \"landmark-iness\" but it was really not since an object could be very salient.", "title": "Differentiating Saliency From Landmark-iness", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 3 ], [ 44, 46 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad D : Perfect .", "Grad B : So then the features we decided {disfmarker} or we decided we were {disfmarker} talked about , right ? Uh the {disfmarker} the prosody , the discourse , {pause} verb choice . You know . We had a list of things like \" to go \" and \" to visit \" and what not . The \" landmark - iness \" of uh {disfmarker} I knew you 'd like that .", "Grad D : Nice coinage .", "Grad B : Thank you . uh , of a {disfmarker} of a building . Whether the and this i we actually have a separate feature but I decided to put it on the same line {pause} for space . \" Nice walls \" {vocalsound} which we can look up because I mean if you 're gonna {pause} get real close to a building in the Tango mode , right , there 's gotta be a reason for it . And it 's either because you 're in route to something else or you wanna look at the walls . The context , which in this case we 've limited to {pause} \" business person \" , \" tourist \" , or {pause} \" unknown \" , the time of day , and \" open to suggestions \" , isn't actually a feature . It 's {pause} \" We are open to suggestions . \"", "Grad D : Right . can I just ask the nice walls part of it is that {vocalsound} uh , in this particular domain {disfmarker} you said {disfmarker} be {disfmarker} i it could be on two different lines but are you saying that in this particular domain it happens the {disfmarker} that landmark - iness cor is correlated with", "Grad B : Oh {disfmarker}", "Grad C : No . We have a separate", "Grad B : They 're separate things .", "Grad C : feature .", "Grad D : their being nice w", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad B : I either could put \" nice walls \" on its own line or \" open to suggestions \" off the slide .", "Grad C : Like you could have a p", "Grad D : And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} By \" nice \" you mean {disfmarker}", "Grad C : You {disfmarker} Like you could have a post office with uh {disfmarker} you know , nice murals or something .", "Grad B : Right .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad B : Or one time I was at this {disfmarker}", "Grad D : So \" nice walls \" is a stand in for like architecturally it , uh {disfmarker} significant", "Grad B : But see the thing is , if it 's {disfmarker}", "Grad C : Architecturally appealing from the outside .", "Grad D : or something like that . OK .", "Grad B : Yeah but if it 's architecturally significant you might be able to see it from {disfmarker} Like you m might be able to \" Vista \" it ,", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : right ? And be able to {disfmarker}", "Grad A : Appreciate it .", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : Yeah , versus , like , I was at this place in Europe where they had little carvings of , like , dead people on the walls or something .", "Grad D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : I don't remember w", "Grad D : Uh - huh .", "Grad B : It was a long time ago .", "Grad D : There 's a lot of those .", "Grad B : But if you looked at it real close , you could see the {disfmarker} the in intricacy of the {disfmarker} of the walls .", "Grad D : OK . So that count as {disfmarker} counts as a nice wall .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : Right .", "Grad D : The {disfmarker} OK . Right .", "Grad A : The {disfmarker}", "Grad D : Something you want to inspect at close range {pause} because it 's interesting .", "Grad B : Exactly .", "Grad D : OK .", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Grad B : Robert ?", "Grad A : Well there {disfmarker} there is a term {pause} that 's often used . That 's \" saliency \" , or the \" salience \" of an object . And I was just wondering whether that 's the same as what you describe as \" landmark - iness \" . But it 's really not . I mean an object can be very salient", "Grad D : Hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 10, "turns": [ 28, 122 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design steps", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that it would consist of implementing the second point, and asked everyone to draw their favorite animal on the whiteboard, important for the design.", "title": "Project Manager Talking After Design Steps", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design steps", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; design; implementing; second point; important for; design; draw; favorite animal", "title": "Project Manager Talking After Design Steps", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 9 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wonderful drawing", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that if they want to react to that wonderful drawing, it was an abstract drawing.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About The Wonderful Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wonderful drawing", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that if they wanted to react to that wonderful drawing, it would let a comment, it was an abstract drawing.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About The Wonderful Drawing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 20 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing {vocalsound} and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point . So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} What an original idea .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Orangutan .", "Project Manager : Okay {vocalsound} that's good .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : No no n", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} n n {gap}", "User Interface : Can I give you the", "Project Manager : You should {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {disfmarker} no ? But I don't have to say anything . When I'm drawing the orangutan .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh {vocalsound} I'll let you uh comment .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan .", "Project Manager : Okay it's an abstract drawing .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : I think it's nice and original . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} You should write y the name I think . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I don't have a red colour . Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yes .", "Project Manager : You want to draw something Christine ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay uh sorry . You have to imagine a little bit {vocalsound} um .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : This {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Sorry too {vocalsound} uh .", "User Interface : Yes . I know .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Is this uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Wha what is this strange beast ?", "Marketing : Is it beautiful ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Is it a monster ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Do you know ? It's a cat .", "User Interface : It's a cat ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Isn't it ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I thought these things did not exist .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yes yes", "Industrial Designer : Me {vocalsound}", "Marketing : is it {disfmarker} like that .", "User Interface : Ah yeah {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Ah yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Is it better ?", "Project Manager : Ah okay it's pretty . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay it's your cat . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's my cat .", "User Interface : Does have a name ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : The name is Caramel .", "User Interface : Caramel . Ah-ha .", "Industrial Designer : Caramel .", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . Olivier , do you want to {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} And you {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I think I'm too short for the cables . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay I go , but next time you'll do something I'm sure . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I'm a bit short on cable .", "User Interface : Next time I concentrate .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . So what could I draw ? {vocalsound} Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow . {vocalsound} I don't know if it looks like a cow {vocalsound}", "User Interface : He looks like a bong .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Like a what ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Okay . Sorry . No .", "Industrial Designer : Quite squarey .", "User Interface : Scary ?", "Project Manager : {gap} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : He also . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact {vocalsound} I would say .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I I think we will be finished this uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control .", "User Interface : Is it for uh for putting a {disfmarker} for logos , no .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 38, "turns": [ 253, 347 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "frame dropping , noise estimation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C said the frame-dropping was the last thing they needed to do by computing silence probability and converting it to binary flag. PhD C also suggested they needed to do something more for the noise estimation.", "title": "Impact of Frame Dropping and Noise Estimation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], [ 48, 70 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "frame dropping , noise estimation", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "PhD C; the frame-dropping is the last thing that we do; what we do is we compute the silence probability, convert it to that binary flag; then in the end you up upsample it to match the final features number; It seems to be helping on the well-matched condition; that's why this improvement I got from the last result; should we do something more for the noise estimation; PhD E; I tried just plugging the Guenter noise estimation on this system, it got worse; I didn't do much more for noise estimation. I just tried this.", "title": "Impact of Frame Dropping and Noise Estimation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 8 ], [ 48, 70 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improve , model", "speaker": "PhD E" }, "summary": "PhD E suggested that they could do the frame-dropping on the server-side or just be careful at the terminal side to send a couple of more frames.", "title": "Model Improvement by Frame Dropping", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "improve , model", "speaker": "PhD E" }, "summary": "PhD E; we have to be careful with that also with the neural net; because in the proposal the neural net was also, working on after frame-dropping; we can do the frame-dropping on the server-side or we can just be careful at the terminal side to send a couple of more frames before and after, and So. I think it's OK.", "title": "Model Improvement by Frame Dropping", "relevant_turns": [ [ 5, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "improve , model", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said that it would be nice to use up less bandwidth in addition to reducing insertions.", "title": "Model Improvement by Frame Dropping", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 15 ], [ 20, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "improve , model", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said that if there were four or five things like that they'll be talking real improvement and that it would be kind of nice to in addition to reducing insertions to actually use less bandwidth but nobody seemed to care about that in the evaluation.", "title": "Model Improvement by Frame Dropping", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 15 ], [ 20, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stationary", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD C said that Guenter's argument was that if it was a non-stationary segment there was no updating the noise spectrum and only tried to capture the stationary part in it, adding that no matter how good the VAD was, stationary and the non-stationary were averaged. Professor B said they were not using those methods anyway.", "title": "Guenter's Argument on Stationary", "relevant_turns": [ [ 81, 94 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "stationary", "speaker": "PhD C , Professor B" }, "summary": "PhD C said that averaging the stationary and the non-stationary segments wasn't a good idea according to Guenter. Professor B said they were not using these methods anyway.", "title": "Guenter's Argument on Stationary", "relevant_turns": [ [ 81, 94 ] ] } ], "source": [ "PhD C : So the frame - dropping is the last thing that we do . So , yeah , what we do is we compute the silence probability , convert it to that binary flag ,", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD C : and then in the end you c up upsample it to {vocalsound} match the final features number of {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Did that help then ?", "PhD C : It seems to be helping on the well - matched condition . So that 's why this improvement I got from the last result . So . And it actually r reduced a little bit on the high mismatch , so in the final weightage it 's b b better because the well - matched is still weighted more than {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So , @ @ I mean , you were doing a lot of changes . Did you happen to notice how much , {vocalsound} uh , the change was due to just this frame - dropping problem ? What about this ?", "PhD C : Uh , y you had something on it . Right ?", "PhD E : Just the frame - dropping problem . Yeah . But it 's {disfmarker} it 's difficult . Sometime we {disfmarker} we change two {disfmarker} two things together and {disfmarker} But it 's around {pause} maybe {disfmarker} it 's less than one percent .", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : It {disfmarker}", "Professor B : Well . {vocalsound} But like we 're saying , if there 's four or five things like that then {vocalsound} pretty sho soon you 're talking real improvement .", "PhD E : Yeah . Yeah . And it {disfmarker} Yeah . And then we have to be careful with that also {disfmarker} with the neural net", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : because in {comment} the proposal the neural net was also , uh , working on {disfmarker} after frame - dropping .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD E : Um .", "Professor B : Oh , that 's a real good point .", "PhD E : So . Well , we 'll have to be {disfmarker} to do the same kind of correction .", "Professor B : It might be hard if it 's at the server side . Right ?", "PhD E : Mmm . Well , we can do the frame - dropping on the server side or we can just be careful at the terminal side to send a couple of more frames before and after , and {disfmarker} So . I think it 's OK .", "Professor B : OK .", "PhD A : You have , um {disfmarker} So when you {disfmarker} Uh , maybe I don't quite understand how this works , but , um , couldn't you just send all of the frames , but mark the ones that are supposed to be dropped ? Cuz you have a bunch more bandwidth . Right ?", "Professor B : Well , you could . Yeah . I mean , it {disfmarker} it always seemed to us that it would be kind of nice to {disfmarker} in addition to , uh , reducing insertions , actually use up less bandwidth .", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : But nobody seems to have {vocalsound} cared about that in this {pause} evaluation .", "PhD A : And that way the net could use {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So .", "PhD A : If the net 's on the server side then it could use all of the {pause} frames .", "PhD C : Yes , it could be . It 's , like , you mean you just transferred everything and then finally drop the frames after the neural net .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : Right ? Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that 's one thing which {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : But you could even mark them , before they get to the server .", "PhD C : Yeah . Right now we are {disfmarker} Uh , ri Right now what {disfmarker} wha what we did is , like , we just mark {disfmarker} we just have this additional bit which goes around the features , {vocalsound} saying it 's currently a {disfmarker} it 's a speech or a nonspeech .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "PhD C : So there is no frame - dropping till the final features , like , including the deltas are computed .", "PhD A : I see .", "PhD C : And after the deltas are computed , you just pick up the ones that are marked silence and then drop them .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm . I see . I see .", "Professor B : So it would be more or less the same thing with the neural net , I guess , actually .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : So . Yeah , that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what {disfmarker} that 's what , uh , this is doing right now .", "PhD A : I see . OK .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um . OK . So , uh , what 's , uh {disfmarker} ? That 's {disfmarker} that 's a good set of work that {disfmarker} that , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Just one more thing . Like , should we do something f more for the noise estimation , because we still {disfmarker} ?", "Professor B : Yeah . I was wondering about that . That was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I had written that down there .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Um {disfmarker}", "PhD E : So , we , uh {disfmarker} actually I did the first experiment . This is {pause} with just fifteen frames . Um . We take the first fifteen frame of each utterance to it ,", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : and average their power spectra . Um . I tried just plugging the , um , {vocalsound} uh , Guenter noise estimation on this system , and it {disfmarker} uh , it got worse . Um , but of course I didn't play {pause} with it .", "Professor B : Uh - huh .", "PhD E : But {disfmarker} Mm - hmm . Uh , I didn't {pause} do much more {pause} for noise estimation . I just tried this ,", "Professor B : Hmm . Yeah . Well , it 's not surprising it 'd be worse the first time .", "PhD E : and {disfmarker}", "Professor B : But , um ,", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : it does seem like , you know , i i i i some compromise between always depending on the first fifteen frames and a a always depending on a {disfmarker} a pause is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is a good idea . Uh , maybe you have to weight the estimate from the first - teen {disfmarker} fifteen frames more heavily than {disfmarker} than was done in your first attempt . But {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : but {disfmarker}", "PhD E : Yeah , I guess .", "Professor B : Yeah . Um . No , I mean {disfmarker} Um , do you have any way of assessing how well or how poorly the noise estimation is currently doing ?", "PhD E : Mmm . No , we don't .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD E : We don't have nothing {pause} that {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Is there {disfmarker} was there any experiment with {disfmarker} ? Well , I {disfmarker} I did {disfmarker} The only experiment where I tried was I used the channel zero VAD for the noise estimation and frame - dropping . So I don't have a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I don't have a split , like which one helped more .", "PhD E : Yeah .", "PhD C : So . It {disfmarker} it was the best result I could get .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD C : So , that 's the {disfmarker}", "Professor B : So that 's something you could do with , um , this final system . Right ? Just do this {disfmarker} everything that is in this final system except , {vocalsound} uh , use the channel zero .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . For the noise estimation .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD C : Yeah . We can try something .", "Professor B : And then see how much better it gets .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm . Sure .", "Professor B : If it 's , you know , essentially not better , then {pause} it 's probably not worth", "PhD E : Yeah .", "Professor B : any more .", "PhD C : Yeah . But the Guenter 's argument is slightly different . It 's , like , ev even {disfmarker} even if I use a channel zero VAD , I 'm just averaging the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the s power spectrum . But the Guenter 's argument is , like , if it is a non - stationary {pause} segment , then he doesn't update the noise spectrum . So he 's , like {disfmarker} he tries to capture only the stationary part in it . So the averaging is , like , {vocalsound} different from {pause} updating the noise spectrum only during stationary segments . So , th the Guenter was arguing that , I mean , even if you have a very good VAD , averaging it , like , over the whole thing is not a good idea .", "Professor B : I see .", "PhD C : Because you 're averaging the stationary and the non - stationary , and finally you end up getting something which is not really the s because , you {disfmarker} anyway , you can't remove the stationary part fr I mean , non - stationary part from {vocalsound} the signal .", "Professor B : Not using these methods anyway . Yeah .", "PhD C : So {disfmarker} Yeah . So you just {pause} update only doing {disfmarker} or update only the stationary components . Yeah . So , that 's {disfmarker} so that 's still a slight difference from what Guenter is trying", "Professor B : Well , yeah . And {disfmarker} and also there 's just the fact that , um , eh , uh , although we 're trying to do very well on this evaluation , um , we actually would like to have something that worked well in general . And , um , relying on having fifteen frames at the front or something is {disfmarker} is pretty {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah , yeah .", "Professor B : I mean , you might , you might not .", "PhD C : Mmm .", "PhD E : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So , um . Um , it 'd certainly be more robust to different kinds of input if you had at least some updates . Um ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 51, "turns": [ 90, 212 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feedback , prototype , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface asked Marketing to give suggestions for the remote prototype. Marketing said what she liked most about it was that it was reachable with one thumb. The Project Manager said the buttons sort of stick up which was great.", "title": "Positive Feedback Regarding Remote Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feedback , prototype , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface; the marketing expert has to give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable or it'll be cost-effective; Marketing; what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the whole thing with one thumb; The buttons are all raised; I like the idea that the on-off button is in a really prominent place; The color's very attractive.", "title": "Positive Feedback Regarding Remote Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 31 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feedback , prototype", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested they pushed either one of the mute buttons and also said they needed the symbols written on the buttons since they would be targeting the international market.", "title": "Improving the Remote Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "feedback , prototype", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; we need the symbols 'cause we're going into an international market we can't have anything that's language-dependent; I think we could do something really fun with this too because the snail is known to be slow; He goes right back into his shell; we could have some sort of little comic effect on our marketing about how this is a rapid snail or something like that; we have to play with the image, play with the snail image, play with the visual and then the voice recognition.", "title": "Improving the Remote Prototype", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 95 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "special features , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the voice recognition and the shape of the remote were some of the special features. Marketing agreed and said voice recognition was their biggest selling point.", "title": "Remote Special Features for Marketing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 95, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "special features , remote", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said the voice recognition was a special feature since it was unusual and the other feature was the shape or practicality of use. Marketing agreed and said that voice recognition was their big selling point since nobody had that in that price range adding that they also needed to dwell on cute appearance.", "title": "Remote Special Features for Marketing", "relevant_turns": [ [ 95, 122 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Now the marketing expert has to", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Tell , yeah .", "User Interface : give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable {vocalsound} or it'll be cost effective .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay , well um what {disfmarker} what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the whole thing with one thumb ,", "User Interface : Yes , yes .", "Marketing : that you can really hold it in one h you don't need two hands", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and it's easily reachable even for somebody with a small hand , yeah ?", "Project Manager : Yes the buttons are all raised , right ?", "Marketing : The buttons are all raised", "Project Manager : Are raised , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : and if you hold it in the centre of your hand you can even reach it over here so you don't have to turn it around , turn it upside down , move it up , up and down ,", "Project Manager : Right . Or have two hands to operate it , yeah .", "Marketing : I really like that .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : You really did a good job on that , my little designers .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Um and um I like the idea that the on-off button is in a really prominent place . That's that's a really good good thing .", "Project Manager : Yes , and it sort of sticks up so that you really {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , that's great .", "Project Manager : you don't have to g first go like oh yeah here it's on and yeah , mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Abs okay .", "Marketing : The colour's very attractive . Um the um these buttons uh around here are the mute", "User Interface : No , these {disfmarker} the front buttons which are here , are the mute buttons .", "Marketing : and {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} mm-hmm On both sides they're mute ?", "User Interface : Yes , yes .", "Marketing : So you can push either one ?", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : So if you're left-handed or right-handed it doesn't matter .", "Marketing : And this brings the menu up on the screen ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Pardon me ? This is the menu {disfmarker} yes , yes .", "Marketing : This brings the menu up on the screen and the orange ones are {disfmarker}", "User Interface : A the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these two are th to increase or decrease the volumes ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : and these two are to uh scroll the programme channels .", "Marketing : F f okay .", "User Interface : Scroll up or scroll down the channels .", "Marketing : Right , very good . Uh it looks mm looks like something I can sell .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay and now I'm supposed to {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , I have one question", "Marketing : yeah .", "Project Manager : uh will there be anything written on the buttons , like that people know , or they have to learn that from a piece of paper which button does what ?", "User Interface : Yes , it will have uh {disfmarker} these buttons will have the numbers and all the rest of the buttons will have symbols .", "Industrial Designer : Ah . Yeah , definitely .", "Project Manager : Will have symbols so that that {disfmarker} that the user really knows you know and doesn't have to first learn it {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yes , which can be easily recognised .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : Good point because we need the symbols 'cause we're going into an international market we can't have anything that's language dependent .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah of course , and also {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . But anyway it would ha i i i it has to have some kind of of symbols , text or something so that people kn", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah we can {disfmarker} Text .", "Marketing : Symbols on it . Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Text that we can have on the case itself ,", "Project Manager : That's right .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : we can {disfmarker} it will be printed on the case and symbols as well as the buttons . Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay , yeah just wanted make sure of that mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And {disfmarker} and one more feature is we we have a holder for this remote which is an oyster shape .", "Marketing : Mm , 'kay , mm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : A shell shape .", "Marketing : For the snail , yeah , mm-hmm ,", "Project Manager : Right , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes , yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . So it is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} we have the snail shell .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yes , snail shell .", "Industrial Designer : yeah ,", "Marketing : He goes right back into his shell .", "Industrial Designer : yeah {disfmarker} shell .", "Project Manager : Right .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Well you know I think we could do something really funny with this too because the snail is known to be slow", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and we could have some sort of little comic effect on our marketing about how this is a rapid snail or something like that", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Y Yes {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Yeah , of course , yeah .", "Marketing : you know that would , that would really work .", "Project Manager : Now what , what are our special features for the marketing ?", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : That's really the voice recognition that's really unusual {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think voice recognition is our big selling point", "Industrial Designer : Mm . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : 'cause nobody else seems to have that in in this price range .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : And then , and then the other thing would basically be sh shape or practicality of use .", "Marketing : Yep", "Project Manager : You know .", "Marketing : uh well I think that everybody's gonna say their remote control is practical . I think we have to , we have to dwell on on on the appearance .", "Project Manager : Colours . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : We're really gonna have the be the", "Project Manager : Cutest .", "Marketing : cutest remote control on the block .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : So I think we have to play with the image , play with the snail image um play with the visual and then the voice recognition .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : I think those are the two things to push . The look and the voice recognition . They're gonna be our two selling points .", "Project Manager : Okay , now uh having said that {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I'm supposed to make a little presentation , aren't I ?" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 16, "turns": [ 99, 159 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "attitude , teletext , internet , new project requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they were saying that teletext would be old soon, and TVs would have internet access. But it thinks that if the target was people of forty plus, the chance of them having a TV with internet was very slim, and that the market was small.", "title": "Marketing Attitude Towards New Project Requierements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "attitude , teletext , internet , new project requirements", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they were saying that teletext was an old feature and was not going to be used pretty soon, and TVs would have internet access. But it thought that if they were targeting people of forty plus, the chance that they would have a TV with the internet the next twenty years was very slim and that the market was pretty small.", "title": "Marketing Attitude Towards New Project Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 26 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design requirement , fancy", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said if there was any discussion about the new product requirements. After that, it said that they were saying that teletext was going to be old soon, and TVs would have internet access on them. But it thinks that if the target was people of forty plus, they won't have TVs with the internet. . It said that people said that teletext was an important feature, so removing it was dumb. After that, it said that it thinks that the market for forty plus was small. It said that the remote control was pretty and not innovative.", "title": "Marketing Disagreement of Fancy Design Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 34 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design requirement , fancy", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said if there was any discussion possible about the new product requirements. After that, it said that they were saying that teletext was going to be an old feature, and was not going to be used pretty soon, and new TVs would have internet access on them. But it thinks that if the target was people of forty plus, the chance of them having a TV with internet access the next twenty years was very slim. It said that in addition, people said that teletext was an important feature, so it was dumb to put no teletext feature. After that, it said that it thinks that the market for forty plus was small, but it thought that they were going for another. It said that the remote control was pretty and not innovative.", "title": "Marketing Disagreement of Fancy Design Requirements", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 34 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker} Okay now I hope everybody has a little bit more insight in the functions we all have and what we are doing right now . Um I'm the Project Manager so I'm here to mess things up and uh tell you some new uh requirements .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um that's , we've uh got to design a um remote which is only suitable for T_V_ . Um that's because {vocalsound} uh it will be too complex", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : and the time to market will be too big , if we wanna have it uh for more functions . So it has to be simple .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Uh another point is we have to skip the teletext , because in the world of uh upcoming internet uh we think teletext is going to be uh a thing of the past . And uh it's a function we don't need in our remote control .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um internet is also mentioned {gap} in a function we can use . Uh maybe also on televisions it will be available as well . Another one is uh the customer is uh forty plus . Uh that's the the market we have to to to target , because we are going to develop a new product which is specially designed for the younger customers . Um this is uh a bit pity for the Marketing uh Expert .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Because he was uh aiming on the the younger persons . So we have to find a market which is above forty plus uh but which will suit our uh remote control , and the other way round . And we have to be very uh attent in uh putting the corporate image uh in our product . So it has to be visible in our design , in the way our device works . And uh we have to be uh very clear on this point as well . So I suggest let's have a discussion on the control functions . Yeah .", "Marketing : So is there any discussion possible about the new product requirement ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh we can see if we can find a way uh between the functions we wanna use and the market we wanna reach with our product . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah 'cause you're you're saying that teletext is gonna be an old feature and it's not gonna be used anymore anyway pretty soon . And new T_V_s will have internet access on them .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : But I think if you're targeting people of forty plus , the chance that they will have a T_V_ with internet access within the next like twenty years is very slim .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : In addition people indicated that teletext simply was an important feature for the remote control . So I think it's pretty dumb to put no teletext feature on it . I'm pretty much against it .", "Project Manager : Against the no teletext ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yes . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Besides that , I think the market for forty plus is like pretty small . But I mean if I s if I see this , it's {disfmarker} I think we're just gonna go for another", "Project Manager : Yeah it's it is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {gap} forty {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Standard remote .", "Marketing : pretty", "Project Manager : No I think we can", "Marketing : and not innovative", "Project Manager : I think we can do a lot with the design and the simple buttons", "Marketing : remote control .", "Project Manager : which were also mentioned . Uh if we put a lot of effort in those , we can make a remote control with uh just two or three buttons . Or just a remote which is suitable for the market we wanna reach because it is forty percent of the market .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : And um if you look in Holland at the whole generation of forty plus , fifty plus , it it's the the biggest share of the of the whole population now .", "Marketing : Yes but it's not the biggest part of the market .", "Project Manager : No .", "Marketing : And besides that , they're not very critical so {disfmarker} I mean they don't really care what the remote control is like . They'll just pretty much take the first thing they see and which looks acceptable .", "Project Manager : But don't you think that if we make a remote which is uh typically made for this market , that people think {gap} {disfmarker} the people think that's the the device I've looked for although I didn't realise it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So let's try it .", "Marketing : No . I think that would be the case in the sixteen to forty five age category . because they are critical and they they want to have a fancy remote control .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : People of forty plus , I mean they want it to work , but as soo as soon as it works it's okay with them .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I think that if we're {disfmarker} If we put our marketing right um we can sell this just like um {disfmarker} I don't know if you've heard about it in the news , the the elderly mobile phone ?", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . It's a big success .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah if we if we make a remote control just l with that idea in mind , we could make tons of money , I think .", "Project Manager : Very big success .", "Marketing : I haven't heard of it .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Uh . I think so as well .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : We don't have to focus on on on the on the design then but on functionality . We just change our focus on the project , and I think we can uh we can sell this .", "Project Manager : Uh I simply think um", "User Interface : {gap}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 50, "turns": [ 91, 111 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "physical activity , an early stage , primary school education", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Hefin David AM asked why Dr Frank Atherton made a commitment to embedding physical activity at an early stage in primary school. Dr Frank Atherton said in terms of physical activity, head to say it as an important dimension and they needed to move on further. They did not know enough of their children were physically active and they were not meeting the various guidelines, that was why it was important.", "title": "Dr Frank Atherton's Reason for Commitment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "physical activity , an early stage , primary school education", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton talked in terms of physical activity, it did not have as much of an impact on weight as the dietary issues and it was important for all sorts of reasons and it had an impact on healthy weight, but it had a huge impact on terms of socialization, mental health issues.", "title": "Dietary Issues Impact on Weight", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 5 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "varied diet , pupils", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton would look into the consultation regarding appetite and didn't have a personal view on that. It was the quality of the food that pupils get, regardless of where it came from. It was important that children had access to food, but also the quality of the food and what was in the food offered.", "title": "Dr Frank Atherton's Opinion on Varied Diet", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 17 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "varied diet , pupils", "speaker": "Dr Frank Atherton" }, "summary": "Dr Frank Atherton said that appetite for any guidance was something that could be considered. Dr Frank Atherton did not have a personal view on that but thought the quality of the food that kids were getting important regardless of whether it came from home or through school, heater free or paid, this was the answer to Hefin David AM's question of whether extending that to all pupils would be beneficial in providing a more varied diet for pupils.", "title": "Dr Frank Atherton's Opinion on Varied Diet", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 17 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Hefin.", "Hefin David AM : Is that all right, Chair?", "Lynne Neagle AM : You've got the floor, Hefin.", "Hefin David AM : Thank you, Chair. You make a commitment to embedding physical activity at an early stage in primary school education. What would that look like?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Just in terms of the physical activity, I have to say it's a really important dimension and we need to move further on. We know not enough of our children are physically active and they're not meeting the various guidelines, so it's really important. It doesn't actually have as much of an impact on weight as the dietary issue. I'd just say that. It's really important for all sorts of reasons. It does have an impact on healthy weight, but it has a huge impact in terms of socialisation, in terms of mental health issues, et cetera, you know. So\u2014I'm sorry, I've lost track of your question.", "Nathan Cook : I'd just say that one thing we have got in train is, obviously, Sport Wales, Public Health Wales and Natural Resources Wales\u2014we have them working together as a collaborative at the moment to look at how their joint delivery on physical activity can be taken forward more efficiently. So, one of the things they are looking at is obviously the schools programmes they do through eco-schools, the Welsh network of healthy schools and the sports programme to really think about that physical activity and how we can have better join up in terms of the programmes that we're already delivering as well.", "Hefin David AM : With that in mind, I'm going to confess to you, chief medical officer, I did anything in school I could to avoid physical education lessons. I hated it. I didn't feel engaged with it. Yet, two weeks ago, I played for the Assembly rugby team\u2014I wanted to get that in. The school sports survey, that would suggest that we're still not hitting those targets with children. How can we get children more engaged with physical education in ways that\u2014? I felt completely alienated in school.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Well, you're right, and many people go through that same journey and come to physical activity later in life, and that's great if they do that. The sad reality is that many people don't, and we also know that there are issues around the dropping off, particularly for girls, of physical activity towards the teenage years. So, there are specific moments that we need to understand. We do have a lot of information about these kinds of things. Public Health Wales is very good at collating the information. We do need to turn that into programmes. I mean, at the heart of it, it's about making sports and physical activity enjoyable and attractive to people. Sometimes that's easier, I sense, for boys than for girls, but we need to tailor things to different audiences.", "Hefin David AM : Yes, that's the trick, isn't it? It's about finding out what children enjoy doing. That could be quite a wide and varied range of things. Is that the key?", "Dawn Bowden AM : It's not all about organised team sports.", "Hefin David AM : Yes. As Dawn said, it's not just about organised team sports. There are some very individual activities you could do.", "Dr Frank Atherton : Absolutely, yes. And that's where I think\u2014. I'm delighted that Sport Wales has moved beyond. It's not just about elite sports; it's about getting everybody engaged and active in sports, and that partnership with Public Health Wales that Nathan talked about is really important, because we need a population approach to driving physical activity.", "Hefin David AM : So, do you think, with that in mind, we need statutory guidance for schools on physical education?", "Dr Frank Atherton : Again, I'd look to the consultation as to whether there was an appetite for any kind of guidance. It may well be that that is something that could be considered.", "Hefin David AM : Okay. And finally, with regard to free school meals to all pupils in primary and secondary schools, do you think that extending that to all pupils would be beneficial in providing a more varied diet for pupils?", "Dr Frank Atherton : I don't have a personal view on that. I think it's the quality of the food that kids are getting, whether that comes from home or through school, and whether it's free or whether it's paid for. I think it's the quality of the food that we need to focus on. The question of children being hungry at school is a really important one and needs to be addressed at a national level. I think that's a\u2014", "Hefin David AM : So, you think that's more about the provision of food for those who might not have access to it than providing a varied diet.", "Dr Frank Atherton : I think it's important that children have access to food, absolutely, if that's your question, but we also need to look at the quality of the food and what's in that food offer.", "Hefin David AM : But you don't necessarily think universal provision would\u2014.", "Dr Frank Atherton : I don't have a clear view on that. I know there's a larger debate about that.", "Hefin David AM : Okay, thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 71, "turns": [ 45, 77 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "government , parliament , prime minister , farmers", "speaker": "Mr. John Barlow ( Foothills , CPC ) , Mr. John Barlow" }, "summary": "Mr. John Barlow (Foothills, CPC) accused the government of working to shut down Parliament and make it less effective by undermining personal meetings. Mr. John Barlow raised a complaint about the inability of farmers to use an online platform for inventory updates requiring the farmers to hire professional accounting services yet with no hope of getting financial assistance from the government saying this should not be so. Mr. John Barlow also raised questions about the secret carbon taxes asking for justification for raised carbon taxes in the midst of a pandemic and the undue delay in the delivery of the assistance promised to the energy sector.", "title": "Questions About the Accessibility of Financial Assistance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], [ 8, 9 ], [ 11, 12 ], [ 14, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "government , parliament , prime minister , farmers", "speaker": "Mr. John Barlow ( Foothills , CPC ) , Mr. John Barlow" }, "summary": "Mr. John Barlow (Foothills, CPC) pointed out that the government, through the prime minister has attempted to lessen the effectiveness of Parliament by pushing for virtual Parliament meetings and promoting in-person meetings for the work of the G7. Mr. John Barlow called attention to the difficulty experienced by Saskatchewan farmers in using the Agristability calculator saying the farmers could not put their inventory changes which results in erroneous information and that even after hiring accountants to help with the platforms, the farmers were still offered no hope of receiving any assistance from the government. Mr. John Barlow also highlighted the failure of the finance minister to deliver on his promise to assist Canada's energy sector due to the inability of small oil and gas companies to qualify for BDC loans and the announcement was made for large employers was seen as exploitative and supporting unethically sourced foreign oil.", "title": "Questions About the Accessibility of Financial Assistance", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 4 ], [ 8, 9 ], [ 11, 12 ], [ 14, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wage subsidy program", "speaker": "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe ( Lac-Saint-Jean , BQ ) , Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe" }, "summary": "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe (Lac-Saint-Jean, BQ) raised certain questions to the Liberty Party of Canada, the first question was if the Liberty Party of Canada would return the money taken from the wage subsidy program. The second question was if the Liberty Party of Canada considered itself to be more difficult financially than the companies that could not qualify for a wage subsidy considering the fact that the money being handed out came from taxpayers' pockets including those that have lost their jobs. Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe accused the Liberty Party of using the wage subsidy program as a fundraising strategy.", "title": "Questions on Wage Subsidy Disbursement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "wage subsidy program", "speaker": "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe ( Lac-Saint-Jean , BQ ) , Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe" }, "summary": "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe (Lac-Saint-Jean, BQ) asked if the Liberty Party of Canada would back the money it took from the wage subsidy program. Mr Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe mentioned two companies that do not qualify for wage subsidy despite the 28% losses questioning if the Liberty Party of Canada considered itself to be in greater financial need than the two companies stating that the Liberals were putting the money they were getting from wage subsidy into their election kitty even though they would get about 60% of their election expenses back when they went for reimbursement this act, Mr Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe said, contravenes the Canadian Elections Act Challenging the use of wage subsidy as a fundraising strategy by the political party and denounced the use of federal programs by the Liberal Party for the Liberal party by disqualifying companies with 28% or 29% losses from the wage subsidy.", "title": "Questions on Wage Subsidy Disbursement", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 30 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "members , agricultural sector , sophisticated business people , energy workers", "speaker": "Hon . Chrystia Freeland ( Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs ) , Hon . Chrystia Freeland" }, "summary": "Hon. Chrystia Freeland (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs) denied the accusation by Mr. John Barlow (Foothills CPC) on the promotion of virtual Parliament meetings saying how pleasant it was to be at the in-person meeting with members from across the county. Hon. Chrystia Freeland said the agricultural sector was critical to the country and the questions around food security have stood Canada out as an agriculture superpower also the farmers were sophisticated business people. Hon. Chrystia Freeland responded to the questions raised by Mr. Alexis Brunelle- Druceppe about wage subsidy by saying the subsidy was being paid to support the workers and keep them connected to their workplaces having being paid to millions of individuals and thousands of businesses in addition to the hundreds of approved applications and the program was meant for all workers. Canadians agreed that there needed to be concerted efforts to continue to help Canadians and Quebeckers.", "title": "Answers to Questions of National Interest", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 4, 9, [ 12, 15 ], 21, 26 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "members , agricultural sector , sophisticated business people , energy workers", "speaker": "Hon . Chrystia Freeland ( Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs ) , Hon . Chrystia Freeland" }, "summary": "Mr. John Barlow said the difficulty that farmers in Saskatchewan were experiencing in accessing the support offered by the government, and the delay in the payment of the financial support promised to the energy sector. Hon. Chrystia Freeland said there were no plans by the government against in-person Parliament meetings and that the farmers were very sophisticated business people who have worked with accountants for a long time and dealt prominently in the futures market. Concerning the energy workers' support, Hon. Chrystia Freeland agreed to the importance of the energy workers to the economy expressing pride in the billions of dollars invested by the government to clean up orphan wells and the jobs that investment has created. Hon. Chrystia Freeland the wage subsidy program was designed to support all workers and Canadians and keep them connected to their workplaces and more than 8million Canadians had received the Canada emergency response benefit. Hon. Chrystia Freeland was absolutely willing to look into the eyes of the entrepreneurs and workers in Hon.", "title": "Answers to Questions of National Interest", "relevant_turns": [ 1, 4, 9, [ 12, 15 ], 21, 26 ] } ], "source": [ "Mr. John Barlow (Foothills, CPC) : Thanks, Mr. Chair. The government has consistently worked to shut down Parliament and undermine personal sittings and has argued that the business of this country can be done by Zoom. However, for work of the G7 the Prime Minister said, theres no question that in-person meetings...are much more effective than even virtual meetings. By pushing to go virtual, is it the Prime Minister's goal to make Canada's Parliament less effective?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs) : Mr. Chair, it is absolutely not. In fact, I am pleased to be here in person meeting with members from across the country and pleased that our colleagues who live further away from Ottawa than I do have the opportunity to join us. Parliament plays an essential role in our democracy, and it's", "The Chair : We will go back to Mr. Barlow.", "Mr. John Barlow : Mr. Chair, that is exactly the point. This isn't Parliament; this is a committee meeting. We do not have Parliament. This is a virtual committee. A Saskatchewan producer called me and said that he tried to use the online AgriStability calculator. He said that most farmers can't use it, that in fact they can't put in their inventory changes. This means it will give them erroneous information. Why is the agriculture minister touting this lifeline for farmers when it doesn't actually work?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, the agricultural sector is critical to our country, and the questions some of us have been asking around food security have reminded us how lucky we are, as Canadians, to be living in an agricultural superpower. When it comes to the specific technical questions that farmers have, they should turn to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, who will be delighted to help.", "Mr. John Barlow : Could the Deputy Prime Minister tell me how much it cost to develop this online AgriStability calculator?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : What I can say is that we are very mindful of and very grateful for the extremely", "The Chair : We'll go back to Mr. Barlow.", "Mr. John Barlow : Mr. Chair, farmers have even hired accountants to try to navigate this shiny online calculator, but they've been told they would go broke before they received any money. Will the government admit that this is just a fig leaf before any actual assistance will come to Canadian farmers?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, very many farmers, and certainly many of the farmers of my acquaintance, have worked with accountants for a very long time. Farmers are sophisticated business people who deal in the futures markets every day. They run hugely important businesses", "The Chair : We will go back to Mr. Barlow.", "Mr. John Barlow : Mr. Chair, it's that kind of condescension that is so frustrating to Canadian farmers. They shouldn't have to hire an accountant to figure out an assistance program. The last time I questioned the Prime Minister and the minister about the secret carbon tax data, they said that only part of it was secret and that the rest of it would be given to the House. I have yet to receive it. Will that be tabled today, in both official languages, to justify to Canadian farmers why the government has increased the carbon tax in the midst of a pandemic?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, what is condescending is to behave as if farmers are not highly sophisticated businessmen. They hire economists. They hire agronomists. They are at the cutting edge. I am proud of the sophistication of Canadian farmers, and I'm proud of the support we offer them. Some honourable members: Oh, oh!", "The Chair : I want to remind the honourable members that the background noise and the heckling really make it difficult for the members who are tuning in via Zoom. I just want to make sure they're aware of what they're doing to our colleagues who are online. We will go back to Mr. Barlow.", "Mr. John Barlow : Mr. Chair, for 64 days the finance minister has failed to deliver on his promise to assist Canada's energy sector. Small oil and gas companies still can't qualify for BDC loans, and last week's announcement for large employers, in my opinion, was nothing of exploitive. If the government doesn't fulfill its promise to provide support for the energy sector, it is in turn supporting unethically sourced foreign oil and costing good reliable Canadian jobs. After 64 days, when will the credit options be available to Canada's small and medium-sized energy companies?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, I agree with the member opposite about one thing: The energy sector and energy workers are absolutely essential to our economy, and we support them. One of the things I am most proud of is the $1.7 billion our government has committed to cleaning up orphan wells. That money today has created jobs in Alberta, B.C. and Saskatchewan. People are working because of it, and they are cleaning up their communities thanks to that support.", "The Chair : Mr.Brunelle-Duceppe.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe (Lac-Saint-Jean, BQ) : Mr.Chair, I'll try not to spend too much time. Will the Liberal Party of Canada pay back the money it took from the wage subsidy program, yes or no?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, the purpose of the wage subsidy is to support workers, help them keep their jobs and keep them connected to their workplace", "The Chair : Mr.Brunelle-Duceppe.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : Mr.Chair, I'll take that as a no. In my riding, Trillium Media owns several weeklies. The company doesn't qualify for the wage subsidy because it has suffered losses of28% instead of30%. The historic village of Val-Jalbert is in the same situation. Does the Liberal Party of Canada consider itself to be in greater financial difficulty than the historic village of Val-Jalbert and Trillium Media?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, allow me to remind the hon. member opposite what we're doing to support Canadians: more than 8million Canadians have received the Canada emergency response benefit. In addition, 635,000businesses have received loans through the Canada emergency business account.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : Mr.Chair, I'll take that as a yes. Does my hon. colleague take into account the fact that the billions of dollars that are currently being handed out come from taxpayers' pockets? It even comes from the pockets of people who have lost their jobs and who pay taxes when they go to the corner store. On the other side of the House, is it considered justified for multi-million dollar parties to finance themselves with public funds, yes or no?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, I would like to continue by reminding my colleague opposite what our government is doing today to support Canadians and Quebeckers: 293applications for the Canada emergency wage subsidy have been approved. Over 2million Canadians today have", "The Chair : Mr.Brunelle-Duceppe, you have the floor.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : Mr.Chair, I'll take that as a yes. It's fantastic! The money that the Liberals are going to get from the wage subsidy is going to go directly into their election kitty. When they go to get their election expenses reimbursed, they're going to get 60%of that money back. So they'll have made the wage subsidy work for them. The businesses that'll have access to it won't, but the political parties will. Doesn't that contravene the Canada Elections Act, yes or no?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, our programs don't discriminate. They're there to help all workers, to help all Canadians, to help all Quebeckers. The hon. member talked about companies and sectors that need more help. We agree with that. We think we all need to work together to continue to help Canadians and Quebeckers", "The Chair : Order. We are returning to Mr.Brunelle-Duceppe.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : I don't know how to take it this time. I didn't get it all. I think it's necessary to stop, eject and throw the tape out, and provide an honest answer to the questions we ask. Can my colleague across the way answer a very simple question? Are their employees going to be used for political fundraising and so, once again, make the generous wage subsidy they receive work for them, yes or no?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, I want to point out something important when we talk about our work and our economy. The important thing is that we have put in place unprecedented economic measures that are absolutely urgent and necessary. That's what we'll continue to do.", "Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe : Mr.Chair, we've already seen a Duceppe who denounces the use of federal programs by the Liberal Party for the Liberal Party. Can my hon. colleague tell me if she's able to look the entrepreneurs in her riding in the eye and tell them that they don't deserve the wage subsidy, because their loss of income is only28% or29%, while her party is dipping into the cookie jar, yes or no?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, I am absolutely willing to look into the eyes of the entrepreneurs and workers in my riding because they know that our government is doing a lot to help Canadians in this historic crisis. Our economic support program is the largest program in Canada's history", "The Chair : We will now continue with Mr. Singh." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 16, "turns": [ 160, 362 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target customers , elderly , functionality", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they could focus themselves on elderly people, and features for them, like channel selection, volume, power, and Teletext. Marketing said the board tended to disagree, and Project Manager said that they haven't voted, but that it could up the cost. They thought that teletext was a good idea, for elderly people so they could have subtitles. Industrial Designer said that elderly people would need to adapt to scroll buttons, so they should stick to the basic layout. Marketing said that it might be a good idea to have a little screen, to explain buttons. Project Manager said that it should be possible, with default materials. Marketing said elderly people were more careful. Project Manager said that the real elderly people were above sixty.", "title": "Group Discussion About Functionality With the Elderly as Target Customers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 6 ], [ 19, 21 ], [ 60, 65 ], [ 108, 110 ], [ 133, 135 ], [ 156, 167 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target customers , elderly , functionality", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; focus ourself on the elderly people; Volume selection, power and teletext; For elderly people; I wanna have subtitles; push the button; big subtitles; Industrial Designer; they'll have to adapt; not used; scroll buttons; Marketing; some research; elderly people like; Marketing; hard time understanding new devices; good idea; little screen on it; just a small screen; Project Manager; fancy design , easy to learn. Few buttons; elderly people don't mind; cover; just a plastic one; Marketing; elderly people; more careful; their remote; Project Manager; elderly elderly; people above sixty; target the real elderly people.", "title": "Group Discussion About Functionality With the Elderly as Target Customers", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 6 ], [ 19, 21 ], [ 60, 65 ], [ 108, 110 ], [ 133, 140 ], [ 156, 167 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button design , decision", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that just keep the teletext, with a subtitle text button. That could be an advantage, and that was important to have a few buttons. Marketing said that for tv it didn't need a lot of buttons for TV, like one to zero, channel buttons, volume buttons and teletext. After a discussion with more or less the same information, Project Manager said that they should focus on the docking station, instead of fewer buttons. Marketing said that they needed to position all the buttons, but they should not spend much time on that.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Conclusion on Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 44 ], [ 65, 76 ], [ 87, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "button design , decision", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager; just keep the teletext; another point of advantage; remote control; button; for big subtitles; For elderly people; should be few buttons; Marketing; only for TV; a lot of buttons; one to zero button, next channel, previous channel; Project Manager; how much buttons; on the display; won't be very much buttons; Marketing; only to operate a TV; having few buttons as possible; most remote control; don't have a lot; Project Manager; other functions; instead of less buttons; Marketing; good way to position; all the buttons; don't think we should spend very much time.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Conclusion on Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 21, 44 ], [ 65, 76 ], [ 87, 89 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "docking station , function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the docking station was allowed in the budget said that a fancy-looking docking station would be a good advantage point. Industrial Designer said that it was the docking station or the screen. Project Manager said that it should have a docking station.", "title": "Project Manager Discussion About Docking Station", "relevant_turns": [ [ 85, 89 ], [ 98, 102 ], 129, 150 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "docking station , function", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked if the docking station was allowed, it would be a good advantage point. Project Manager said docking station instead of screen.", "title": "Project Manager Discussion About Docking Station", "relevant_turns": [ [ 85, 89 ], [ 98, 102 ], 129, 150 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "good idea", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the teletext was a good idea, especially for the subtitles, and that pushing the button again to get big subtitles was a good idea too. Marketing said that was a good idea to have a little screen on the remote. Project Manager agreed and then said that default materials were a good idea too.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Good Ideas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 25 ], [ 133, 150 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "good idea", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the teletext was a good idea, especially for the subtitles, and that they could take another point of advantage using a button for it, and that pushing the button again to get big subtitles was a good idea too. Marketing said that because they were focusing on elderly people, it was a good idea to have a little screen on the remote so it would be easier for them to learn the new device. Project Manager agreed, said with some extra info, feedback and then said that default materials were a good idea too.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Good Ideas", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 25 ], [ 133, 150 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "much buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said it could see how much buttons would be on the display, and it wouldn't be very much buttons. Marketing said that if it would be only for TV, it wouldn't gain by having as few buttons as possible, because a lot already have the minimum number.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Much Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 74 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "much buttons", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said not much buttons would be on the display. Marketing said that for TV, having few buttons didn't matter.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Much Buttons", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 74 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : uh that the new products we are gonna make , uh spef specifically design , are designed for uh younger people , uh so maybe we can focus ourself on the elderly people . And I think we have to um see what requirements we need for those um remote controls . {vocalsound} 'Cause what you told is the channel selection is important . Volume selection , power and teletext . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yes .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Okay . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : Yes . But obviously the board tends to disagree .", "Project Manager : No we we haven't voted yet , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh I think teletext can be uh um can be a function as well . But only if uh if it won't higher the the cost , because I don't know if it will be a lot more money to implement teletext as well , but I don't think it will be a problem . Or is teletext a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : But um deaf people need uh teletext for uh for subtitles .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah , also .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So I suggest uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : I think it'd definitely be a bad idea not to include teletext .", "User Interface : It's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Is anybody um really against teletext ?", "Industrial Designer : No .", "Project Manager : No ? Just that , that we just keep the teletext . I think that's a good idea as well , especially for the subtitles . Maybe we can make that um another point of advantage in our remote control , if we uh make a k a button ex for example for big subtitles , which is instantly on the remote control . For elderly people they can think , oh I wanna have subtitles ,", "User Interface : Yeah yeah .", "Project Manager : and they push the button and they get the big subtitles .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Uh that's a good idea .", "Project Manager : Um so I think teletext can v can be very useful in our advantage . Um {disfmarker} Functionality should be few buttons , you said .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : I think uh that's very important we have a few buttons .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So to keep it simple .", "Marketing : But I don't think that's really an issue any more 'cause {disfmarker} Well might be .", "User Interface : If it's only for televi", "Marketing : But I mean it , if it's only for T_V_ you're not gonna need a lot of buttons anyway .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : No .", "Marketing : You need a one to zero button , next channel , previous channel ,", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : volume up , volume down , and some teletext buttons but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah . But do you need {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So we can s we can skip the display ,", "Marketing : I think if you if you only l", "User Interface : so uh we don't need it .", "Project Manager : But do you need the buttons for one to zero .", "Marketing : Nah .", "Project Manager : Maybe c we can {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Think if you're gonna include teletext you do . I think many people like to use that .", "Project Manager : Maybe we can use uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : 'Cause if you should , if you want to switch from channel one to like thirty five , you don't wanna push the next channel button thirty five times .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : No , maybe we can implement the scroll button ? Or a joystick like ?", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : There are other ways too . Just look if you look at telephones . The Sony telephone has a scroll button which is very useful in searching names or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah . Mm-hmm . Yeah .", "Marketing : That's true but um I don't think there are many T_V_s that can switch channels that fast . And so you would need like the T_V_ would need an a function where you can actually view all channels and scroll through it . And I dunno if many channels would do have that . If many T_V_s have that .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : And besides that it's um {disfmarker} If we're gonna focus on elderly people they'll have to adapt . They're not used to using scroll buttons .", "Project Manager : That's right .", "Industrial Designer : So perhaps we should s stick to the basic layout .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : {gap} the numbers yeah . Yeah they can see how much buttons there are going to be on on the display , and if it's too much we can uh reconsider it . But I think there won't be very much buttons .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Or there don't have to be a lot .", "Marketing : But I don't think {disfmarker} I think if you're gonna make a remote control only to operate a T_V_ , you there's not much you can gain on um having as few buttons as possible . 'Cause I think there are pretty many remote controls that can only operate a T_V_ , which already only have the minimum number of buttons . I don't think there's much to be gained in that area .", "Project Manager : The number of buttons ?", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : I think it's very important in the in the design .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : You can make a very fancy design uh with putting the buttons on the right places . And if you have less buttons you can do a lot more with {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That is true but I think there's simply not much to gain on the competition when you when you're making a remote control only for to operate only the T_V_ .", "Project Manager : To operate only the T_V_ yeah .", "Marketing : 'Cause if you have a a remote control only to operate a T_V_ there's simply not a lot of buttons required . There's not a lot of functions required so most existing remote controls simply don't have a lot of buttons either .", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : So .", "Marketing : So I think it would be very hard to actually gain on the competition here .", "Project Manager : 'Kay . So we can {disfmarker}", "Marketing : That would that would cost a a big marketing expedition", "Project Manager : Yeah . That's right .", "Marketing : which was one of the arguments to make it only for the T_V_ because we didn't have the time to market a lot .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So you suggest we could better um focus on for example the docking station .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh uh like other functions . Instead of f of less buttons .", "Marketing : Maybe . Well yeah I think , mean we obviously need a good way to position all the buttons and {disfmarker} But I don't think we should spend very much time in that .", "Project Manager : Mm . No . Do you think the docking station will uh is allowed in the budget we have ?", "Industrial Designer : It should be possible yes . If it's not too fancy .", "Project Manager : 'Cause it can be {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : No .", "Industrial Designer : And if the remote stays rather small , it should be possible", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : Because I think that's uh {disfmarker} That's a good advantage point as well . If we have a fancy-looking docking station", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "Project Manager : or very {disfmarker} {gap}", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : That's a nice requirement . Docking station .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So we're just gonna focus on the extras ?", "Project Manager : I think so .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah I think maybe we should do some research into what elderly people like to have in a", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : like to have extra in a new remote control .", "Project Manager : That's a good point . Um {disfmarker} You said they easily get lost as well .", "Marketing : Yes well fifty percent of the people indicated that remote control tended to get lost .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So maybe we should implement the audio sign , or something .", "Marketing : Yeah that was what I suggested .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Like with your key-chain , if you whistle it goes uh it makes a sound .", "Marketing : You have it on {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah", "User Interface : Hm .", "Marketing : you have it's on some phones too , which have a docking station .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : And you just press a button and the phone goes ringing .", "Project Manager : Yeah . So", "Marketing : So you know where it is .", "Project Manager : audio signal should be possible as well . I think it's not too expensive .", "User Interface : No .", "Project Manager : {gap} Uh another point is the L_C_D_ screen . Um I don't know if that will rise the cost too much , because {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Y i um I think we'll have to choose between the docking station or the screen , 'cause", "Project Manager : Yeah . It will be too much as well .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : it's uh {disfmarker} {gap}", "Marketing : I think since a lot of people indicated that a new remote control is hard to learn , and we're focusing on elderly people here which tend to have a hard time understanding new devices , it might be a good idea to have just a little screen on it , which would explain a button if you press it . Which would tell you what it does .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : And it wouldn't have to be touchscreen or a very expensive screen ,", "Project Manager : Based .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah .", "Marketing : but {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Just the L_C_D_ . Oh just the normal screen .", "Marketing : Just a small screen", "Project Manager : That's a good idea . So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : with two {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Some extra info . Feedback .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I think that's a good idea as well .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : But I dunno if that would", "Project Manager : As the small screen .", "Marketing : that would fit into the costs .", "Project Manager : Extra button info . I think that should be possible as well . Um {vocalsound} let's see what did we say . Mm . More . Should be fancy to , fancy design , easy to learn . Few buttons , we talked about that . Docking station , L_C_D_ . Um general functions {disfmarker} Yeah . 'Kay . And default materials . I think that's a good idea as well , because um elderly people don't mind if it's a titanium cover or just a plastic one .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So that doesn't really matter .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : No .", "Project Manager : So I think we nee", "Marketing : I think probably elderly people would be a little bit more careful with their remote controls than youngsters .", "Project Manager : Uh let's um specify the target group . Because are we talking about elderly elderly people or people from forty to eighty . Because I think what we're going to design now is for people above sixty , maybe .", "User Interface : Mm . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh what do we want ? If we want um a {gap} with uh for example the the telephone for elderly people , we can", "Marketing : I think {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : target the real elderly people .", "Marketing : I think that would be a {disfmarker} If we should do something like that it would be a , I think it would be really good for uh for the image of the company .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : And I think , I think there would be a good market for it .", "Project Manager : So that's the {disfmarker}", "Marketing : If we're able to really bring an innovative product .", "Project Manager : {gap} Now you're talking about sixty to eighty for example .", "Marketing : Yeah the really {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Sixty .", "Marketing : But I'd have to look into that a little more .", "Project Manager : Okay . And different cultures . Are we {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well I don't think they have different television sets uh", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : in uh every country .", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : No .", "Industrial Designer : 'Cause {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We've got five minutes left {vocalsound} just now .", "User Interface : So 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Small warning .", "Marketing : 'Kay . And with uh the little screen in it , {gap} which explains the buttons . You could {disfmarker} I think we n it would be a lot easier to", "Project Manager : Should {disfmarker}", "Marketing : adapt it to different cultures .", "Project Manager : Yeah . In different languages , you know . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : or you have to put a language button in it ,", "User Interface : Right .", "Project Manager : but that will be a bit unnecessary I think .", "User Interface : No . Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's better to put it on different markets with it all .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay . So", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : that's the the target . Uh then a few small things .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 12, "turns": [ 0, 130 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits recordings", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said that the information at the top of form needed to be entered in the computer to match where the digits were recorded. PhD D asked if that had to happen same time or they were two separate tasks.", "title": "Method of Recording Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "digits recordings", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F said there was one small bit about entering the information at the top of the form onto the computer so as to go along with where the digits were recorded automatically, that was typing in name, time, date and other digits. PhD D asked if they were two separate tasks that happened or they had to happen same time. Grad F answered that one data had to be entered before doing second task and didn't have to happen same time. Adding that it was nice to have the same person to do it as a double-check to make sure recording of right person.", "title": "Method of Recording Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 56 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcriber pool", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F asked if they should have transcribers did the extraction of the actual digits or did it by themselves. Postdoc B said that it was a fine idea to have transcriber pool to do the tasks.", "title": "Transcriber Pool for Extraction", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcriber pool", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad F asked if they should have the transcribers did extract out the actual digits or just did it themselves. Adding that Grad F had done eight meetings, something like that, just by hand, so it would not take long. Postdoc B said they had discussed this and thought it was a fine idea partly because it was not unrelated to their present skill set, it might be an interesting break for them and also it was contributing to the composition of the transcript since they could incorporate those numbers directly and it would be a more complete transcript.", "title": "Transcriber Pool for Extraction", "relevant_turns": [ [ 33, 43 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "models", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor C" }, "summary": "PhD D said that the models of digits weren't that good, the models were pretty crappy. Professor C agreed and said they could have done better but at least they got typical data for all the things in the task. Adding that the models would be better in some than in others and it was an indication that getting into realm could be pretty hard even if you were looking at connected digits.", "title": "Review of the Models", "relevant_turns": [ [ 63, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "models", "speaker": "PhD D , Professor C" }, "summary": "PhD D said the models were pretty crappy and not good. Professor C agreed and said they could have done better.", "title": "Review of the Models", "relevant_turns": [ [ 63, 66 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor C , Postdoc B" }, "summary": "Professor C said was talking before about marking of articulatory, features, with overlap and so on and was thinking of doing it on the digits or some piece of the digits but was concerned about the kind of phenomena since looking at corresponding features wasn't right. Postdoc B added that people might articulate more.", "title": "Marking of Articulatory on Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "digits", "speaker": "Professor C , Postdoc B" }, "summary": "Professor C; talking before about doing some modeling of marking of articulatory, features, with overlap and so on; do this, on the digits, or some piece of the digits; it'd be easier; concerned that maybe the kind of phenomena; reason for doing it is because the argument is that certainly with conversational speech, the stuff; just doing the simple mapping from the phone, to the corresponding features that you could look up in a book, isn't right; overlapping processes where some voicing some up and then; some nasality is comes in here; Postdoc B; that people might articulate more; might end up with more a closer correspondence.", "title": "Marking of Articulatory on Digits", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor C" }, "summary": "Grad F said that TI-digits read zip codes and phone numbers and that they got like one and half or two percent on prosodics. Professor C corrected and said they got under a percent.", "title": "Prosodics Percent Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 100 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "percent", "speaker": "Grad F , Professor C" }, "summary": "Grad F; TI-digits; reading things like zip codes and phone numbers; One and a half percent, two percent; Professor C; got under a percent; a lot of systems sort of get half a percent, or three-quarters a percent.", "title": "Prosodics Percent Results", "relevant_turns": [ [ 87, 100 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcript", "speaker": "Grad F , Postdoc B" }, "summary": "Grad F said that they needed to extract out the actual digits because there could be false starts, misreads and miscues. So there was a set of scripts and X waves where a portion just selected, hit R and it told where the next one should be and just look for that and so asked if transcribers were needed for that work. Postdoc B answered it was good to have them since it would be contribution of the transcript since they could incorporate those numbers directly and it would be more complete transcript.", "title": "Incorporating Transcribers in Transcript Work", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 47 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "transcript", "speaker": "Grad F , Postdoc B" }, "summary": "Grad F said the reason was not just a transcript but that there were false starts, and misreads, and miscues. Postdoc B agreed that having transcribers would also be contributing to composition of the transcript and it would be a more complete transcript.", "title": "Incorporating Transcribers in Transcript Work", "relevant_turns": [ [ 28, 47 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Postdoc B : Alright .", "Professor C : So , uh {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Um , so I wanted to discuss digits briefly , but that won't take too long .", "Professor C : Oh good . Right . OK , agenda items , Uh , we have digits , What else we got ?", "PhD A : New version of the presegmentation .", "Professor C : New version of presegmentation .", "Postdoc B : Um , do we wanna say something about the , an update of the , uh , transcript ?", "PhD G : Yeah , why don't you summarize the {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Update on transcripts .", "PhD G : And I guess that includes some {disfmarker} the filtering for the , the ASI refs , too .", "Postdoc B : Mmm .", "Professor C : Filtering for what ?", "PhD G : For the references that we need to go from the {disfmarker} the {pause} fancy transcripts to the sort of {nonvocalsound} brain - dead .", "Postdoc B : It 'll {disfmarker} it 'll be {disfmarker} basically it 'll be a re - cap of a meeting that we had jointly this morning .", "Professor C : Uh - huh .", "PhD G : With Don , as well .", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : Got it . Anything else more pressing than those things ? So {disfmarker} So , why don't we just do those . You said yours was brief , so {disfmarker}", "Grad F : OK . OK well , the , w uh as you can see from the numbers on the digits we 're almost done . The digits goes up to {pause} about four thousand . Um , and so , uh , we probably will be done with the TI - digits in , um , another couple weeks . um , depending on how many we read each time . So there were a bunch that we skipped . You know , someone fills out the form and then they 're not at the meeting and so it 's blank . Um , but those are almost all filled in as well . And so , once we 're {disfmarker} it 's done it would be very nice to train up a recognizer and actually start working with this data .", "PhD D : So we 'll have a corpus that 's the size of TI - digits ?", "Grad F : And so {disfmarker} One particular test set of TI - digits .", "PhD D : Test set , OK .", "Grad F : So , I {disfmarker} I extracted , Ther - there was a file sitting around which people have used here as a test set . It had been randomized and so on", "PhD D :", "Grad F : and that 's just what I used to generate the order . of these particular ones .", "PhD D : Oh ! Great . Great .", "Professor C : So , I 'm impressed by what we could do , Is take the standard training set for TI - digits , train up with whatever , you know , great features we think we have , uh for instance , and then test on uh this test set .", "Grad F : Um {disfmarker}", "Professor C : And presumably uh it should do reasonably well on that , and then , presumably , we should go to the distant mike , and it should do poorly .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor C : And then we should get really smart over the next year or two , and it {disfmarker} that should get better .", "Grad F : Right . And inc increase it by one or two percent , yeah .", "Professor C : Yeah , {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Grad F : Um , but , in order to do that we need to extract out the actual digits .", "Professor C : Right .", "Grad F : Um , so that {disfmarker} the reason it 's not just a transcript is that there 're false starts , and misreads , and miscues and things like that . And so I have a set of scripts and X Waves where you just select the portion , hit R , um , it tells you what the next one should be , and you just look for that . You know , so it {disfmarker} it 'll put on the screen , \" The next set is six nine , nine two two \" . And you find that , and , hit the key and it records it in a file in a particular format .", "Professor C : So is this {disfmarker}", "Grad F : And so the {disfmarker} the question is , should we have the transcribers do that or should we just do it ? Well , some of us . I 've been do I 've done , eight meetings , something like that , just by hand . Just myself , rather . So it will not take long . Um {disfmarker}", "Professor C : Uh , what {disfmarker} what do you think ?", "Postdoc B : My feeling is that we discussed this right before coffee and I think it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a fine idea partly because , um , it 's not un unrelated to their present skill set , but it will add , for them , an extra dimension , it might be an interesting break for them . And also it is contributing to the , uh , c composition of the transcript cuz we can incorporate those numbers directly and it 'll be a more complete transcript . So I 'm {disfmarker} I think it 's fine , that part .", "Grad F : There is {disfmarker} there is {disfmarker}", "Professor C : So you think it 's fine to have the transcribers do it ?", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : Yeah , OK .", "Grad F : There 's one other small bit , which is just entering the information which at s which is at the top of this form , onto the computer , to go along with the {disfmarker} where the digits are recorded automatically .", "PhD D : Good .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad F : And so it 's just , you know , typing in name , times {disfmarker} time , date , and so on . Um , which again either they can do , but it is , you know , firing up an editor , or , again , I can do . Or someone else can do .", "Postdoc B : And , that , you know , I 'm not , that {disfmarker} that one I 'm not so sure if it 's into the {disfmarker} the , things that , I , wanted to use the hours for , because the , the time that they 'd be spending doing that they wouldn't be able to be putting more words on .", "Professor C : Mmm .", "Postdoc B : But that 's really your choice , it 's your {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So are these two separate tasks that can happen ? Or do they have to happen at the same time before {disfmarker}", "Grad F : No they don't have {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} you have to enter the data before , you do the second task , but they don't have to happen at the same time .", "PhD D : OK .", "Grad F : So it 's {disfmarker} it 's just I have a file whi which has this information on it , and then when you start using my scripts , for extracting the times , it adds the times at the bottom of the file . And so , um , I mean , it 's easy to create the files and leave them blank , and so actually we could do it in either order .", "PhD D : Oh , OK .", "Grad F : Um , it 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of nice to have the same person do it just as a double - check , to make sure you 're entering for the right person . But , either way .", "Professor C : Yeah . Yeah just by way of uh , uh , a uh , order of magnitude , uh , um , we 've been working with this Aurora , uh data set . And , uh , the best score , on the , nicest part of the data , that is , where you 've got training and test set that are basically the same kinds of noise and so forth , uh , is about , uh {disfmarker} I think the best score was something like five percent , uh , error , per digit .", "PhD A : Per digit .", "Professor C : So , that {disfmarker}", "Grad F : Per digit .", "Professor C : You 're right . So if you were doing {pause} ten digit , uh , recognition , {vocalsound} you would really be in trouble . So {disfmarker} So the {disfmarker} The point there , and this is uh car noise uh , uh things , but {disfmarker} but real {disfmarker} real situation ,", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : well , \" real \" , Um , the {disfmarker} uh there 's one microphone that 's close , that they have as {disfmarker} as this sort of thing , close versus distant . Uh but in a car , instead of {disfmarker} instead of having a projector noise it 's {disfmarker} it 's car noise . Uh but it wasn't artificially added to get some {disfmarker} some artificial signal - to - noise ratio . It was just people driving around in a car . So , that 's {disfmarker} that 's an indication , uh that was with , many sites competing , and this was the very best score and so forth , so . More typical numbers like", "PhD D : Although the models weren't , that good , right ? I mean , the models are pretty crappy ?", "Professor C : You 're right . I think that we could have done better on the models , but the thing is that we got {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is the kind of typical number , for all of the , uh , uh , things in this task , all of the , um , languages . And so I {disfmarker} I think we 'd probably {disfmarker} the models would be better in some than in others . Um , so , uh . Anyway , just an indication once you get into this kind of realm even if you 're looking at connected digits it can be pretty hard .", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Postdoc B : Hmm . It 's gonna be fun to see how we , compare at this . Very exciting . s @ @ .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD D : How did we do on the TI - digits ?", "Grad F : Well the prosodics are so much different s it 's gonna be , strange . I mean the prosodics are not the same as TI - digits , for example .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad F : So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure how much of effect that will have .", "PhD D : H how do {disfmarker}", "PhD G : What do you mean , the prosodics ?", "Grad F : Um , just what we were talking about with grouping . That with these , the grouping , there 's no grouping at all , and so it 's just {disfmarker} the only sort of discontinuity you have is at the beginning and the end .", "PhD G : So what are they doing in Aurora , are they reading actual phone numbers ,", "Grad F : Aurora I don't know . I don't know what they do in Aurora .", "PhD G : or , a {disfmarker} a digit at a time , or {disfmarker} ?", "Professor C : Uh , I 'm not sure how {disfmarker}", "PhD G : Cuz it 's {disfmarker}", "Professor C : no , no I mean it 's connected {disfmarker} it 's connected , uh , digits ,", "PhD G : Connected .", "Professor C : yeah . But .", "Grad F : But {disfmarker} Right .", "PhD G : So there 's also the {disfmarker} not just the prosody but the cross {disfmarker} the cross - word modeling is probably quite different .", "PhD D : H How", "Grad F : But in TI - digits , they 're reading things like zip codes and phone numbers and things like that ,", "PhD G : Right .", "PhD D : do we do on TI - digits ?", "Grad F : so it 's gonna be different . I don't remember . I mean , very good , right ?", "Professor C : Yeah , I mean we were in the .", "Grad F : One and a half percent , two percent , something like that ?", "Professor C : Uh , I th no I think we got under a percent , but it was {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} but I mean . The very best system that I saw in the literature was a point two five percent or something that somebody had at {disfmarker} at Bell Labs , or . Uh , but . But , uh , sort of pulling out all the stops .", "Grad F : Oh really ?", "Postdoc B : s @ @ . It s strikes me that there are more {disfmarker} each of them is more informative because it 's so , random ,", "Grad F : OK . Alright .", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor C : But I think a lot of systems sort of get half a percent , or three - quarters a percent ,", "Grad F : Right .", "Professor C : and we 're {disfmarker} we 're in there somewhere .", "Grad F : But that {disfmarker} I mean it 's really {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's close - talking mikes , no noise , clean signal , just digits , I mean , every everything is good .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD G : It 's the beginning of time in speech recognition .", "Grad F : Yes , exactly .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad F : And we 've only recently got it to anywhere near human .", "PhD G : It 's like the , single cell , you know , it 's the beginning of life ,", "PhD D : Pre - prehistory .", "PhD G : yeah .", "Grad F : And it 's still like an order of magnitude worse than what humans do .", "PhD G : Right .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "Grad F : So .", "Professor C : When {disfmarker} When they 're wide awake , yeah . Um ,", "Grad F : Yeah . After coffee .", "Professor C : after coffee , you 're right . Not after lunch .", "Grad F : OK , so , um , what I 'll do then is I 'll go ahead and enter , this data . And then , hand off to Jane , and the transcribers to do the actual extraction of the digits .", "Professor C : Yeah . Yeah . One question I have that {disfmarker} that I mean , we wouldn't know the answer to now but might , do some guessing , but I was talking before about doing some model modeling of arti uh , uh , marking of articulatory , features , with overlap and so on .", "Grad F : Hmm .", "Professor C : And , and , um , On some subset . One thought might be to do this uh , on {disfmarker} on the digits , or some piece of the digits . Uh , it 'd be easier , uh , and so forth . The only thing is I 'm a little concerned that maybe the kind of phenomena , in w i i The reason for doing it is because the {disfmarker} the argument is that certainly with conversational speech , the stuff that we 've looked at here before , um , just doing the simple mapping , from , um , the phone , to the corresponding features that you could look up in a book , uh , isn't right . It isn't actually right . In fact there 's these overlapping processes where some voicing some up and then some , you know , some nasality is {disfmarker} comes in here , and so forth . And you do this gross thing saying \" Well I guess it 's this phone starting there \" . So , uh , that 's the reasoning . But , It could be that when we 're reading digits , because it 's {disfmarker} it 's for such a limited set , that maybe {disfmarker} maybe that phenomenon doesn't occur as much . I don't know . Di - an anybody {disfmarker} ? {pause} Do you have any {disfmarker} ? {pause} Anybody have any opinion about that ,", "Postdoc B : and that people might articulate more , and you that might end up with more {disfmarker} a closer correspondence .", "Professor C : Mm - hmm . Yeah .", "Grad F : Yeah {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I agree .", "PhD D : Sort of less predictability ,", "Grad F : That {disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker}", "Postdoc B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor C : Yeah .", "PhD D : and {disfmarker} You hafta {disfmarker}", "Grad F : It 's a {disfmarker} Well {disfmarker} Would , this corpus really be the right one to even try that on ?", "PhD G : Well it 's definitely true that , when people are , reading , even if they 're re - reading what , they had said spontaneously , that they have very different patterns . Mitch showed that , and some , dissertations have shown that ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 32, "turns": [ 0, 220 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reverberation , noise ratio", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said they were dealing with pure reverberation, they were going to measure the signal-to-noise ratio.", "title": "Professor B's Signal-to-Noise Ratio", "relevant_turns": [ 5, 7, 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "reverberation , noise ratio", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B, test, alright; submitted, ASRU; dealing with, reverberation, technique, works; measure the signal-to-noise ratio; about nine DB; brought up a question, relevant to the Aurora stuff; SRI system, hundred hertz high-pass, Aurora HTK, like twenty.", "title": "Professor B's Signal-to-Noise Ratio", "relevant_turns": [ 5, 7, 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "filters , hertz , system baseline", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD" }, "summary": "Professor B said they did some experimentation on the filters to make two system baselines, the difference was the first one had a hundred hertz high pass and the other just twenty, but PhD D said the correct value was sixty-four.", "title": "Difference Between Systems", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "filters , hertz , system baseline", "speaker": "Professor B , PhD" }, "summary": "Professor B said the value of nine DB brought up a relevant question to the Aurora stuff, said they did some experimentation at OGI on the filters they were using for Mel scale where they made two system baselines, and one of the differences 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sixty-four hertz, low; on the SpeechDat-Car.", "title": "Proffesor B's Filter Experiment", "relevant_turns": [ 28, [ 40, 42 ], 46, [ 52, 64 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stationary , signal-to-noise ratio", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said SpeechDat-Car was more roughly stationary and was something they wondered about, said a lot of the noise was below a hundred hertz, and that the signal-to-noise ratio looked a fair amount better with a high-pass filter.", "title": "Professor B's Explaining Noise Considerations", "relevant_turns": [ 66, 71, 73, 78, 80, 86, 90 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "stationary , signal-to-noise ratio", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B asked what would be more like SpeechDat-Car in terms of the noise, also said SpeechDat-Car was more roughly stationary, but that 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"Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said that in the last week they needed to take account of the noise and that one of the next things they wanted to do was to take that noise off, to process stuff, and to synthesize some speech from it, but it was going to be after Dave finished with his prelim study in a little less than two weeks, so the semester was starting up.", "title": "Study's to-Do List", "relevant_turns": [ [ 94, 108 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "semester , advantage", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said they did the experiments at the beginning of the semester, and it was important to take advantage of the data.", "title": "Importance of Data Analysis", "relevant_turns": [ [ 104, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "semester , advantage", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said they did it right by doing the experiments at the beginning of the semester, the overall results seemed to be the first place to define artificial reverberation or a modest-sized training set, a big training set would be helpful, but it would be more important to have a recognizer, a system that was capable of taking advantage of a large training set that sort of expanded training data as long as there was more.", "title": "Importance of Data Analysis", "relevant_turns": [ [ 104, 110 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "better recognizer", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B said the recognizer would benefit automatically from the larger set of data, a better recognizer could build up more parameters where there existed a bad signal-to-noise ratio, for example within a natural or where you could use speaker adaptation and didn't bother with the acoustic.", "title": "Professor B's 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"title": "Professor B Proposed to Look for a Modification", "relevant_turns": [ [ 162, 167 ], 177, 185 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "parameters , aurora stuff", "speaker": "Professor B" }, "summary": "Professor B agreed about Aurora had a clean subset with parameters that could not been modified. Professor B said they were looking for a modification, but they needed to be more open to different kinds of features.", "title": "Professor B Proposed to Look for a Modification", "relevant_turns": [ [ 162, 167 ], 177, 185 ] } ], "source": [ "PhD A : OK , we 're going .", "PhD C : Eight , eight ?", "PhD D : This is three .", "PhD C : Three .", "PhD D : Yep . Yep .", "Professor B : Test . Hmm . Let 's see . Move it bit . Test ? Test ? OK , I guess it 's alright . So , let 's see . Yeah , Barry 's not here and Dave 's not here . Um , I can say about {disfmarker} just q just quickly to get through it , that Dave and I submitted this ASRU .", "PhD A : This is for ASRU .", "Professor B : Yeah . So . Um . Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's interesting . I mean , basically we 're dealing with rever reverberation , and , um , when we deal with pure reverberation , the technique he 's using works really , really well . Uh , and when they had the reverberation here , uh , we 'll measure the signal - to - noise ratio and it 's , uh , about nine DB . So ,", "PhD D : Hmm .", "Professor B : um ,", "PhD A : You mean , from the actual , uh , recordings ?", "Professor B : a fair amount of {disfmarker}", "PhD D : k", "PhD A : It 's nine DB ?", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . Um {disfmarker} And actually it brought up a question which may be relevant to the Aurora stuff too . Um , I know that when you figured out the filters that we 're using for the Mel scale , there was some experimentation that went on at {disfmarker} at , uh {disfmarker} at OGI . Um , but one of the differences that we found between the two systems that we were using , {comment} the {disfmarker} the Aurora HTK system baseline system {comment} and the system that we were {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the uh , other system we were using , the uh , the SRI system , was that the SRI system had maybe a , um , hundred hertz high - pass . And the , uh , Aurora HTK , it was like twenty .", "PhD D : Yep . S sixty - four .", "Professor B : Uh .", "PhD D : S sixty - four .", "Professor B : Sixty - four ? Uh .", "PhD D : Yeah , if you 're using the baseline .", "Professor B : Is that the ba band center ?", "PhD D : No , the edge .", "Professor B : The edge is really , uh , sixty - four ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : For some reason , uh , Dave thought it was twenty ,", "PhD D : So the , uh , center would be somewhere around like hundred", "Professor B : but .", "PhD D : and {disfmarker} hundred and {disfmarker} hundred {disfmarker} hundred and {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} it 's like {disfmarker} fi hundred hertz .", "Professor B : But do you know , for instance , h how far down it would be at twenty hertz ? What the {disfmarker} how much rejection would there be at twenty hertz , let 's say ?", "PhD D : At twenty hertz .", "Professor B : Yeah , any idea what the curve looks like ?", "PhD D : Twenty hertz frequency {disfmarker} Oh , it 's {disfmarker} it 's zero at twenty hertz , right ? The filter ?", "PhD C : Yea - actually , the left edge of the first filter is at sixty - four .", "PhD D : Sixt - s sixty - four .", "PhD C : So {disfmarker}", "PhD D : So anything less than sixty - four is zero .", "PhD C : Mmm .", "Professor B : It 's actually set to zero ? What kind of filter is that ?", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Is this {disfmarker} oh , from the {disfmarker} from {disfmarker}", "PhD C : It {disfmarker} This is the filter bank in the frequency domain that starts at sixty - four .", "Professor B : Oh , so you , uh {disfmarker} so you really set it to zero , the FFT ?", "PhD D : Yeah ,", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD D : yeah . So it 's {disfmarker} it 's a weight on the ball spectrum . Triangular weighting .", "Professor B : Right . OK . Um {disfmarker} OK . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's a little different than Dave thought , I think . But {disfmarker} but , um , still , it 's possible that we 're getting in some more noise . So I wonder , is it {disfmarker} @ @ Was there {disfmarker} their experimentation with , uh , say , throwing away that filter or something ? And , uh {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Uh , throwing away the first ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Um , yeah , we {disfmarker} we 've tried including the full {disfmarker} full bank . Right ? From zero to four K .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : And that 's always worse than using sixty - four hertz .", "Professor B : Right , but the question is , whether sixty - four hertz is {disfmarker} is , uh , too , uh , low .", "PhD D : Yeah , I mean , make it a hundred or so ?", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : I t I think I 've tried a hundred and it was more or less the same , or slightly worse .", "Professor B : On what test set ?", "PhD D : On the same , uh , SpeechDat - Car , Aurora .", "Professor B : Um , it was on the SpeechDat - Car .", "PhD D : Yeah . So I tried a hundred to four K . Yeah .", "Professor B : Um ,", "PhD D : So it was {disfmarker}", "Professor B : and on {disfmarker} and on the , um , um , {vocalsound} TI - digits also ?", "PhD D : No , no , no . I think I just tried it on SpeechDat - Car .", "Professor B : Mmm . That 'd be something to look at sometime because what , um , eh , he was looking at was performance in this room .", "PhD D : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Would that be more like {disfmarker} Well , you 'd think that 'd be more like SpeechDat - Car , I guess , in terms of the noise . The SpeechDat - Car is more , uh , sort of roughly stationary , a lot of it . And {disfmarker} and TI - digits maybe is not so much as {disfmarker}", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Mm - hmm . OK . Well , maybe it 's not a big deal . But , um {disfmarker} Anyway , that was just something we wondered about . But , um , uh , certainly a lot of the noise , uh , is , uh , below a hundred hertz . Uh , the signal - to - noise ratio , you know , looks a fair amount better if you {disfmarker} if you high - pass filter it from this room .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : But , um {disfmarker} but it 's still pretty noisy . Even {disfmarker} even for a hundred hertz up , it 's {disfmarker} it 's still fairly noisy . The signal - to - noise ratio is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is actually still pretty bad .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : So , um , I mean , the main {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}", "PhD A : So that 's on th that 's on the f the far field ones though , right ? Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah , that 's on the far field . Yeah , the near field 's pretty good .", "PhD A : So wha what is , uh {disfmarker} what 's causing that ?", "Professor B : Well , we got a {disfmarker} a video projector in here , uh , and , uh {disfmarker} which we keep on during every {disfmarker} every session we record ,", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : which , you know , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} w we were aware of", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "Professor B : but {disfmarker} but we thought it wasn't a bad thing .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : I mean , that 's a nice noise source . Uh , and there 's also the , uh {disfmarker} uh , air conditioning .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : Which , uh , you know , is a pretty low frequency kind of thing .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : But {disfmarker} but , uh {disfmarker} So , those are {disfmarker} those are major components , I think ,", "PhD A : I see .", "Professor B : uh , for the stationary kind of stuff .", "PhD A : Mmm .", "Professor B : Um , but , um , it , uh {disfmarker} I guess , I {disfmarker} maybe I said this last week too but it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it really became apparent to us that we need to {disfmarker} to take account of noise . And , uh , so I think when {disfmarker} when he gets done with his prelim study I think {vocalsound} one of the next things we 'd want to do is to take this , uh {disfmarker} uh , noise , uh , processing stuff and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} uh , synthesize some speech from it .", "PhD A : When are his prelims ?", "Professor B : And then {disfmarker} Um , I think in about , um , a little less than two weeks .", "PhD A : Oh . Wow .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah . So . Uh , it might even be sooner . Uh , let 's see , this is the sixteenth , seventeenth ? Yeah , I don't know if he 's before {disfmarker} It might even be in a week .", "PhD A : So , I", "Professor B : A week ,", "PhD A : Huh . I {disfmarker} I guessed that they were gonna do it some time during the semester", "Professor B : week and a half .", "PhD A : but they 'll do it any time , huh ?", "Professor B : They seem to be {disfmarker} Well , the semester actually is starting up .", "PhD A : Is it already ?", "Professor B : Yeah , the semester 's late {disfmarker} late August they start here .", "PhD A : Yikes .", "Professor B : So they do it right at the beginning of the semester .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah . So , uh {disfmarker} Yep . I mean , that {disfmarker} that was sort of one {disfmarker} I mean , the overall results seemed to be first place in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in the case of either , um , artificial reverberation or a modest sized training set . Uh , either way , uh , i uh , it helped a lot . And {disfmarker} But if you had a {disfmarker} a really big training set , a recognizer , uh , system that was capable of taking advantage of a really large training set {disfmarker} I thought that {disfmarker} One thing with the HTK is that is has the {disfmarker} as we 're using {disfmarker} the configuration we 're using is w s is {disfmarker} being bound by the terms of Aurora , we have all those parameters just set as they are . So even if we had a hundred times as much data , we wouldn't go out to , you know , ten or t or a hundred times as many Gaussians or anything . So , um , it 's kind of hard to take advantage of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of big chunks of data . Uh , whereas the other one does sort of expand as you have more training data .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : Mmm , yeah .", "Professor B : It does it automatically , actually . And so , um , uh , that one really benefited from the larger set . And it was also a diverse set with different noises and so forth . Uh , so , um , that , uh {disfmarker} that seemed to be {disfmarker} So , if you have that {disfmarker} that better recognizer that can {disfmarker} that can build up more parameters , and if you , um , have the natural room , which in this case has a p a pretty bad signal - to - noise ratio , then in that case , um , the right thing to do is just do {disfmarker} u use speaker adaptation . And {disfmarker} and not bother with {disfmarker} with this acoustic , uh , processing . But I think that that would not be true if we did some explicit noise - processing as well as , uh , the convolutional kind of things we were doing .", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So . That 's sort of what we found .", "PhD D : Hmm .", "PhD A : I , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , started working on the uh {disfmarker} Mississippi State recognizer . So , I got in touch with Joe and {disfmarker} and , uh , from your email and things like that .", "PhD D : Oh , OK .", "PhD A : And , uh , they added me to the list {disfmarker} uh , the mailing list .", "PhD D : OK , great .", "PhD A : And he gave me all of the pointers and everything that I needed . And so I downloaded the , um {disfmarker} There were two things , uh , that they had to download . One was the , uh , I guess the software . And another wad {disfmarker} was a , um , sort of like a sample {disfmarker} a sample run . So I downloaded the software and compiled all of that . And it compiled fine .", "PhD D : Eight .", "PhD A : No problems .", "PhD D : Oh , eh , great .", "PhD A : And , um , I grabbed the sample stuff but I haven't , uh , compiled it .", "PhD D : That sample was released only yesterday or the day before , right ?", "PhD A : No {disfmarker} Well , I haven't grabbed that one yet . So there 's two .", "PhD D : Oh , there is another short sample set {disfmarker}", "PhD A : There was another short one , yeah .", "PhD D : o o sample .", "PhD A : And so I haven't grabbed the latest one that he just , uh , put out yet .", "PhD D : OK . Oh , OK . F Yeah , OK .", "PhD A : So . Um , but , the software seemed to compile fine and everything , so . And , um , So .", "Professor B : Is there any word yet about the issues about , um , adjustments for different feature sets or anything ?", "PhD A : No , I {disfmarker} I d You asked me to write to him and I think I forgot to ask him about that . Or if I did ask him , he didn't reply .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD A : I {disfmarker} I don't remember yet . Uh , I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll d I 'll double check that and ask him again .", "Professor B : Yeah . Yeah , it 's like that {disfmarker} that could r turn out to be an important issue for us .", "PhD D : Hmm . Mmm .", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "PhD D : Cuz they have it {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Maybe I 'll send it to the list . Yeah .", "PhD D : Cuz they have , uh , already frozen those in i insertion penalties and all those stuff is what {disfmarker} I feel . Because they have this document explaining the recognizer .", "PhD A : Uh - huh .", "PhD D : And they have these tables with , uh , various language model weights , insertion penalties .", "PhD A : OK , I haven't seen that one yet .", "PhD D : u", "PhD A : So .", "PhD D : Uh , it 's th it 's there on that web .", "PhD A : OK .", "PhD D : And , uh , on that , I mean , they have run some experiments using various insertion penalties and all those {disfmarker}", "PhD A : And so they 've picked {disfmarker} the values .", "PhD D : Yeah , I think they pi p", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "PhD D : yeah , they picked the values from {disfmarker}", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : For r w what test set ?", "PhD D : Uh , p the one that they have reported is a NIST evaluation , Wall Street Journal .", "Professor B : But that has nothing to do with what we 're testing on , right ?", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "PhD D : You know . No . So they 're , like {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} So they are actually trying to , uh , fix that {disfmarker} those values using the clean , uh , training part of the Wall Street Journal . Which is {disfmarker} I mean , the Aurora . Aurora has a clean subset .", "Professor B : Right .", "PhD D : I mean , they want to train it and then this {disfmarker} they 're going to run some evaluations .", "Professor B : So they 're set they 're setting it based on that ?", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : OK . So now , we may come back to the situation where we may be looking for a modification of the features to account for the fact that we can't modify these parameters .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : But , um ,", "PhD D : Yeah .", "Professor B : uh {disfmarker} but it 's still worth , I think , just {disfmarker} since {disfmarker} you know , just chatting with Joe about the issue .", "PhD A : Yeah , OK . Do you think that 's something I should just send to him", "Professor B : Um {disfmarker}", "PhD A : or do you think I should send it to this {disfmarker} there 's an {disfmarker} a m a mailing list .", "Professor B : Well , it 's not a secret . I mean , we 're , you know , certainly willing to talk about it with everybody , but I think {disfmarker} I think that , um {disfmarker} um , it 's probably best to start talking with him just to {disfmarker}", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : Uh @ @ {comment} you know , it 's a dialogue between two of you about what {disfmarker} you know , what does he think about this and what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} what could be done about it .", "PhD A : Yeah . OK .", "Professor B : Um , if you get ten people in {disfmarker} involved in it there 'll be a lot of perspectives based on , you know , how {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Professor B : you know .", "PhD A : Right .", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker} But , I mean , I think it all should come up eventually ,", "PhD A : OK .", "Professor B : but if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if there is any , uh , uh , way to move in {disfmarker} a way that would {disfmarker} that would , you know , be more open to different kinds of features . But if {disfmarker} if , uh {disfmarker} if there isn't , and it 's just kind of shut down and {disfmarker} and then also there 's probably not worthwhile bringing it into a larger forum where {disfmarker} where political issues will come in .", "PhD A : Yeah . OK .", "PhD D : Oh . So this is now {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's compiled under Solaris ?", "PhD A : Yeah .", "PhD D : Yeah , OK .", "PhD A : Yep .", "PhD D : Because he {disfmarker} there was some mail r saying that it 's {disfmarker} may not be stable for Linux and all those .", "PhD A : Yeah . Yeah , i that was a particular version .", "PhD D : SUSI", "PhD A : Yeah , SUSI or whatever it was", "PhD D : yeah . Yeah , yeah .", "PhD A : but we don't have that .", "PhD D : Yeah , OK .", "PhD A : So . Should be OK .", "PhD D : OK , that 's fine .", "PhD A : Yeah , it compiled fine actually .", "PhD D : Yeah .", "PhD A : No {disfmarker} no errors . Nothing . So .", "Professor B : Uh , this is slightly off topic", "PhD D : That 's good .", "Professor B : but , uh , I noticed , just glancing at the , uh , Hopkins workshop , uh , web site that , uh , um {disfmarker} one of the thing I don't know {disfmarker} Well , we 'll see how much they accomplish , but one of the things that they were trying to do in the graphical models thing was to put together a {disfmarker} a , uh , tool kit for doing , uh r um , arbitrary graphical models for , uh , speech recognition .", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : So {disfmarker} And Jeff , uh {disfmarker} the two Jeffs were", "PhD A : Who 's the second Jeff ?", "Professor B : Uh {disfmarker} Oh , uh , do you know Geoff Zweig ?", "PhD A : No .", "Professor B : Oh . Uh , he {disfmarker} he , uh {disfmarker} he was here for a couple years", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : and he , uh {disfmarker} got his PHD . He {disfmarker} And he 's , uh , been at IBM for the last couple years .", "PhD A : Oh , OK .", "Professor B : So .", "PhD A : Wow . That would be neat .", "Professor B : Uh , so he did {disfmarker} he did his PHD on dynamic Bayes - nets , uh , for {disfmarker} for speech recognition . He had some continuity built into the model , presumably to handle some , um , inertia in the {disfmarker} in the production system , and , um {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Hmm .", "Professor B : So .", "PhD D : Hmm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 35, "turns": [ 259, 472 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "general specification", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that there were remote controllers like that, like some TVs, with a sliding screen on the remote that hid complicated buttons, so if they wanted to do something complicated, they opened the hatch. Marketing said they were happy persons without two remotes.", "title": "User Interface and Marketing Talking About General Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "general specification", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said that there were remotes that hid complicated buttons. Marketing said that people had two remotes, one was easy.", "title": "User Interface and Marketing Speaking About General Specifications", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 21 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "infra-red , general requirements , functionality", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that simplicity and fashion were good goals, which included an emphasis so the infra-red was going to be functional. Marketing asked how could be infra-red more functional. Project Manager answered that with the quality of all components.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Speaking About Infra-Red Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "infra-red , general requirements , functionality", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that simplicity and fashion were very good goals, so they had to take them into account, with an emphasis on the infra-red, it was going to be functional. Marketing asked what they could do to make the infra-red more functional. Industrial Designer answered that the quality of all the components should be good.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Infra-Red Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 52 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "battery , general requirements", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said battery use, that got into simplicity, then agreed with the group about remote controls needing a battery, and then said that didn't know about a way to operate a chip and process data without one, but they could have designed a charging station like a mobile phone, with a rechargeable battery.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Battery", "relevant_turns": [ [ 145, 165 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "battery , general requirements", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer; battery use; in with simplicity and ease of use; Yeah; don't think; a way; operate a chip and convert that much data without one; maybe; little charging station; mobile phone; do that instead; like a rechargeable battery.", "title": "Industrial Designer Talking About Battery", "relevant_turns": [ [ 145, 165 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked what they were emphasizing and they answered simplicity and fashion, then said that they had to keep that in mind. Later Project Manager said that it was more useful defined objectives like fashion and simplicity for a specific target group.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Fashion Objetives", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 39 ], [ 103, 112 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked what they were emphasizing, what on that project, and they answered simplicity and fashion, then Project Manager said that they had to keep that in mind with everything they did, like with usability. Later Project Manager said that defined objectives were more useful, objetives like fashion and simplicity for a specific age and target group.", "title": "Project Manager Dissertation About Fashion Objectives", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 39 ], [ 103, 112 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "functional", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that the goals of the project were good, another thing was that they had to make the infra-red very functional. Marketing asked how it was more functional, Project Manager said that with the battery. Marketing said that just the chip.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "functional", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that those were very good goals, it included an emphasis on making the infra-red very functional. Marketing asked what did make it more functional. Project Manager said battery. Marketing said chip quality.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Talking About Functionality", "relevant_turns": [ [ 39, 50 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "summaries", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they completed the questionnaire and summaries summary, then said that didn't know what summarisation.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Summaries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 175, 184 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "summaries", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that after the meeting they were going to complete a questionnaire and a summaries summary, and didn't know what summarisation, then they had their lunch break, and then thirty minutes of individual work, then said if everyone did that, it was great.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Summaries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 175, 184 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Can you like {disfmarker} I mean this may be too complicated , but , I wish I had something to explain it , like if it was just a simple , either this way or this way , that had like the main buttons and then you could like pull something out , kind of and like you got the rest the buttons ,", "Industrial Designer : Ooh .", "Marketing : but the rest of them like went in .", "User Interface : The remote {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Do you know what I'm saying ?", "Project Manager : Kind of pull out of the side .", "User Interface : There are remote controls like that , yeah . Like some T_V_s they have a sort of uh a sliding screen on the remote control of it", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : that hides all the complicated buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Ooh .", "User Interface : So if you wanna do something complicated like programme your television or re-tune it , then you you open up this little hatch or or slide the screen down", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : and there's all the {disfmarker} all the special buttons .", "Marketing : 'Cause then 's like people who don't wanna ever look at them , never even have to see them", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : and if you like get the instruction manual that comes with it and you just don't even read it then you'll never even know that those things can pull out .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : And you're a happy person and everyone else doesn't have to have like two remotes , one that has the easy ones and one that has", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's a good idea .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : more complicated ones ,", "User Interface : I think that's a good idea , yeah .", "Marketing : but 's all still in one .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um we have to be careful that that that doesn't impede um the chip transmitting information , but um that's gonna be mostly technological thing . Um .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Good point .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay um , so what are we emphasising ? I {disfmarker} what in this project ?", "User Interface : Si simplicity and fashion .", "Project Manager : Simplicity and fashion .", "Marketing : I think simplicity , fashion .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah mm .", "Project Manager : Okay , those are very good goals , I think , um that we have to keep in mind in {disfmarker} with everything we do . Simplicity and fashion and , yeah , {disfmarker} or usability speci however you wanna say that , which includes um an emphasis on making the infra-red very functional , so that you don't have to travel around a lot .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um .", "Marketing : What can you do to like make the infra-red more functional , like why would it not be ? I'm just wondering .", "Project Manager : I think it's a lot {vocalsound} to do with battery , but that's just my {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : The battery and that {disfmarker} I think that the chip takes the data and presents it well , without sort of scattering .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : So 's just the quality of the chip .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I think so .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : The quality {vocalsound} uh quality of all the components really , I mean , we can't really do anything {disfmarker} shoddy work , 'cause it's", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : gonna be visible down the line .", "Project Manager : So our target group , we're saying , fifteen to thirty five ?", "Marketing : Well , I dunno how useful that number is if we're not doing {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : S voice recognition , which I kind of I kind of feel like voice recognition is not necessary in a remote control ,", "Marketing : Yeah . Yeah . I don't .", "Project Manager : like it might be necessary for a T_V_ but not for the remote c , you know .", "User Interface : It's , yeah , it's pretty it's pretty high-tech .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-mm .", "Project Manager : Seems a little bit {disfmarker} Mm-hmm . Yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and it might be too expensive .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : And if the whole idea is you're using a remote then why would you have voice ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : like you know what I mean and then it's like you wouldn't need a remote you'd just talk to your T_V_ .", "Project Manager : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Ooh . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's for , like , the ultimately lazy people ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : who can't even be bothered to pick up the remote .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I", "Marketing : Maybe {disfmarker} I mean if I get m more numbers , I'll e-mail you before the next meeting in terms of ages . But this doesn't divide up anything and there was only a hundred subjects also ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : which isn't , I mean , really isn't that representative , especially if it's a hundred subjects that th they then can subdivide into age groups that means there's very few in each age group , so {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but I th I think regardless we're we're aiming for the under sixty five or something .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Project Manager : Under sixty five , okay ,", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : that's a good start . Um . I'd say we're {disfmarker} uh can we narrow it down to maybe um teenagers and families ? 'Cause that would go up to like fifty ?", "Industrial Designer : Or like single professionals or something .", "Project Manager : Okay , single {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Twenty to like fifty five .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : I dunno .", "Project Manager : It's it's hard to narrow it down .", "Industrial Designer : It's really hard to figure out right now .", "User Interface : I think the product appeals across a quite a broad range of ages .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : I mean , we we said simplicity is is one of the features , so it's going to appeal to people , maybe people who have problems with technology , you know , people who get scared by having lots of buttons ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : and that might be older people ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : but then we've also got fashion , which is something that definitely appeals to younger people .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well maybe we don't have to defi define the target group by the demographic of age ,", "Project Manager : Right .", "Marketing : maybe we can define it by like the demographic of like h t how much money they have to spend or something like that ,", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah aim for a {disfmarker} an income group .", "Industrial Designer : That's a good point .", "Marketing : like , well", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : obviously it has to be someone who owns a television ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : and like how recently have they bought their television like that sort of thing .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : So maybe it's more useful to d d to define objectives like fashion and simplicity than to find specific target group as far as age is {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , t probably .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : because , yeah , things so different will appeal to different people , but {disfmarker} Okay . Um oh , there're a couple functions {disfmarker} do we want something so that {disfmarker} do we want some kind of thing to find it if it's lost ? Like a button on a T_V_ you can press", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and it'll ring or something , I don't know like {disfmarker} or beep ?", "Marketing : H I mean , like I said before , fifty per cent of of the fru f like frustration someone can have that was the biggest one and half the people said that happened and we all mentioned it before we knew about it .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : And if we're talking about making something easy that sort of goes along with it so it wouldn't be like a random thing to sort of add in .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : It would be relevant to like the overall goal I think ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that'll probably be good .", "Marketing : so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay , we have to {disfmarker} we have about four minutes left to define our functions . So let's do that quickly . Um so we want something to keep it from getting lost .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : And {vocalsound} we want um we want large buttons for the essential things . Large , accessible buttons for the essentials .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We want a possibility to um to get um a possibility to get the extra functions .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Which are kind of hidden away in some way or well not hidden but they're uh they're not as prominent as the main features .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Um , yeah , hidden way . And we also want it to be fashionable , which I'm not sure if that's a function so much as a um yeah {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {gap} on your coffee table , it's not like an eye sore , that kind of thing .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Alright .", "Project Manager : Okay , do it . Any other essential functions that we need ? Battery ? Do we need a long-life battery ?", "Industrial Designer : Battery battery use . Yeah , but I think that goes in with simplicity and ease of use really .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : But we might as well .", "Marketing : So you never have to change the battery .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : We should maybe investigate whether it needs a battery at all . I suspect the remote control does need a battery ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , I would imagine .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : but I dunno if you can {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Just 'cause it is an electronic device , the {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : It {disfmarker} I think it does . I don't I don't think of a way you can operate a chip and convert that much data without without one .", "User Interface : Yeah , without the energy , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But you could maybe have it in a little charging station like a mobile phone , or like a little cradle for your iPod .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's that's possible . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You could {disfmarker} we could maybe do that instead .", "Project Manager : Charging .", "Industrial Designer : So you don't ha you got like a rechargeable battery .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I dunno , that might contribute to less people losing it too if it {vocalsound} it stays in one place .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : We have to think about um space in living-rooms , too , like 'cause they're {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : I mean , would you put it on top of the T_V_ ? I don't know , just think {disfmarker} okay , that's {vocalsound} that's a good idea , we'll keep it . Think it's {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . That's just off the top of my head .", "Project Manager : And maybe fun . Okay . Um 'kay we're gonna conclude now , has everyone said their functions and {disfmarker} 'kay .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : Um after the meeting we're gonna each complete a sks um a questionnaire and a summaries {disfmarker} summary . I don't know what summarisation . Um and then we'll have our lunch break . After that we have thirty minutes of individual work . Um I'll make sure to put up um the minutes and the project documentation and including these PowerPoint slides . If everyone could do that as well , that'd be great . Um you each have individual actions , I_ um I_D_ Industrial Design you've your components concept , User Interface , the user interface concept , market trend wa watching .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And as as per last time you'll get specific incrat instructions from your personal coach e-mailed to you . And hopefully , I hope , next time you'll be able to access more of the web site that they they seem to tell you that you could . It's kinda frustrating ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , who knows .", "Project Manager : but um {disfmarker} Be sure to note any frustrations or any um issues that come up in your um in your um summary .", "Industrial Designer : Okay", "Project Manager : Mm 'kay ?", "Industrial Designer : Sounds good .", "Project Manager : Great seeing y'all . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : It's good .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Did you um {disfmarker} were you able to like put yours in the group folder ?", "Industrial Designer : Yes , I just did that .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Hopefully it is there for people .", "Marketing : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ?", "Project Manager : Looks like there are um {disfmarker} looks like there's a second one kind of of mine that's {disfmarker} that I didn't do ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : it's from like an earlier project , I think so um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Where is that ? Yours is {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Under the shared folder , I don't know it might not even be under yours as well .", "Industrial Designer : Technical . So", "Project Manager : Projects .", "Industrial Designer : in there we have technical functions presentation , working design presentation and the functional requirements . At least that's what I have in .", "Marketing : I only have three , I just have like our three . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , that's what I have as well , R Rose {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . You don't have mine ?", "Industrial Designer : So .", "Marketing : No , but that's 'cause I think yours is in the e-mail separate , like it's not on the server .", "Project Manager : S", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : But if I open it and then save it , probably will be there . Oh wait , never mind you can't save it to the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . Well I'll figure that out in the meantime .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 49, "turns": [ 200, 304 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "size , shape , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "An average size, the light weighed product was preferred and an irregular shape was also suggested where the would be a little thinner considering the shape of the palms and fingers, a banana shape was suggested to meet the trending requirement of a fruity shape and spongy texture, and a five by ten-centimeter size instead of a seven by seven.", "title": "Size and Shape of the Device", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 27 ], [ 97, 100 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "size , shape , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "I think they're being large or small is not important. The only important thing is to be able to take it inside hand easily. So let's say an average size, okay; it should not be very heavy also. And I prefer it shouldn't have a uniform shape, so in the middle, it should be a little bit thinner; I think seven centimeters by seven centimeters is a little bit large. 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They could put the board under the LCD and for example, made the LCD be totally unrelated to the thing that they held in their hand, like holding something, and the LCD to be just on top of it.", "title": "Strategy for a Smaller Size Device", "relevant_turns": [ [ 12, 24 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "big banana , shape , easy", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager summarized the requirement for the case saying it should be something easy to use and should be fashionable like a fruit and vegetable suggesting a banana shape because its color went with the company colors and it's easy to handle. 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For example for the for the L_C_D_ , if we choose to have a small device , we cannot use this um a such a a a screen .", "Industrial Designer : Uh the s the screen is okay , but the board , uh that's the problem . Well what what would you guess as a shape ? Or what what would be the shape ?", "User Interface : Mm . I think I think their being uh large or small is not important . The only important thing is to be able to take it in uh inside hand easily . So let's say an average size , okay ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : and it should not be very heavy also . And I prefer to {disfmarker} is it shouldn't have a uniform shape , so in the middle it should be a little bit thinner , maybe maybe . So we c it's like like some joysticks . You can take uh some some joystick you can take inside hand easier because it's it's designed for your f uh taking into account your finger shape and your palm shape . So the general shape should be like this . I think uh seven centimetre by seven centimetre is a little bit large . So uh seven {disfmarker} not seven but let's say five by ten it's I think it's {disfmarker} that's my opinion . It's easier .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Which is the same area .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Could you re could you redesign your board ?", "Industrial Designer : Five to ten . Well that {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Oh , five five centimetres by ten centimetres .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , right .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I think it's feasib Well one um um {disfmarker} How could we do it ? We could put the board next to , well , under the L_C_D_ and for example make the L_C_D_ be totally unrelated to the thing that you hold in your hand .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Like holding something , and the L_C_D_ to be just on top of it , you know somehow . Well {disfmarker} But maybe let's stick to the s spongy thing , like one unit .", "Project Manager : Oh . I've I s I think the easiest thing would be to to have a smaller L_C_D_ , if it's possible .", "Industrial Designer : Well fi five to ten it would be feasible .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so five to ten , I I think it's it's feasible .", "Project Manager : Okay . So we are agree with a small", "Industrial Designer : I'll make it .", "User Interface : {gap} Or uh or I don't know", "Project Manager : L_C_D_ . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Fo Five by ten .", "User Interface : but I don't want to now invent something new , because we didn't discuss about it . So using some L_C_D_s we can touch , so we can remove uh keys and just uh having uh , I dunno the name , L_C_D_ responding to fingers .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Touching the screen . Something like", "Project Manager : Tactile or something , yeah .", "User Interface : {disfmarker} Mm like tactile .", "Marketing : Mm , touch screen .", "Project Manager : Touch screen , yeah .", "User Interface : So {disfmarker} But for now if we don't want to use such kind of screens I I think we using a a smaller screen is better ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : because {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : The problem is we have a limit in a month of time , so we cannot do something very new .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So let's go for a small L_C_D_ .", "Marketing : So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Okay , so Yeah , so so just just give me the the the five by ten numbers that you find the best and send it me", "User Interface : A smaller s", "Project Manager : Yeah okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : So , five by s ten .", "Industrial Designer : and I will work it out .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Um so what about , so the case we talked about . Um something easy to use , you said something easy to use but how does that fit in a fashion way , like with fruit and vegetable , and about the colour and logo of the of the company and so on , now , can we do that ? My first idea is because our colour is more yellow , and the {disfmarker} it should be easy to take in a hand , I thought about banana , or something like that , which is fruits , and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Seven to ten banana .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} A big banana . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay . Rather mango or something or .", "Project Manager : Um . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well it's it's definitely the obvious choice , with the colour of our company .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Marketing : I mean what other what other fruit and vegetables {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : But it's just an idea . I dunno what you think about , but {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Do you know of any any other fruit and vegetables that are yellow ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I dunno if it can fit with the technology . You are the specialists of that .", "Industrial Designer : You mean banana .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Well , but {disfmarker} If it's {gap} {vocalsound} {disfmarker} If it {disfmarker} If the banana is big enough .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Then , yes . {vocalsound} But if you want to look at the screen {gap} , no . Well {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , and", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think this {gap} is not good . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The screen has to be {vocalsound} square ? Or it can be like a a shape , quite , uh with curves .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well , it can be whatever you want .", "Project Manager : It could . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : But if it's square then we get four screens out of one by cutting just . But if you want some shape then we can only get like two screens out of seven to seven inches , so .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : It's like more more expensive to have shape like that . But I don't care . You know , if we fit this requirement .", "Marketing : Well {disfmarker} I'd like a shaped screen . I think that's more important than saving a bit of money on on the T_F_T_ screen .", "Project Manager : Okay", "Industrial Designer : Okay {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : okay .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , m maybe the banana could be like a bit uh fatter than than the c c common one .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah , it should remember banana , but it's not {disfmarker} doesn't have to b to be uh uh really the size and exactly the shape of a banana .", "User Interface : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Like modified banana , okay .", "Project Manager : So we are agree with the banana thing ?", "Industrial Designer : Well it {disfmarker} we'll stick to banana , or ?", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Yeah , banana's good .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-mm ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 44, "turns": [ 158, 182 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "regional consortia , Cabinet Secretary , roles", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM asked what roles should regional consortia and Cabinet Secretary play. Kirsty Williams AM said regional consortia and cabinet secretary needed to know how schools were using their PDG.", "title": "Roles Played by Regional Consortia and Cabinet Secretary", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "regional consortia , Cabinet Secretary , roles", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM asked what roles regional consortia and cabinet secretary should play and how schools used PDG adding that there was research done on roles of challenge advisers and cabinet secretary on schools and there was little evidence of schools changing their decisions on the use of PDG. Kirsty Williams AM said they expected regional consortia to explore schools on how they were using their PDG and demonstrate impact for those resources adding that there was increasing evidence suggesting that good use was made of the resources. Kirsty Williams AM also added there was more to do so they appointed new regional advisers for PDG going forward.", "title": "Roles Played by Regional Consortia and Cabinet Secretary", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 3 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "extent , PDG , track , eligible pupils , progress", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked to what extent the PDG was used to track the progress of eligible pupils. Kirsty Williams AM answered that it was very crucial that they track the performance.", "title": "PDG as Means of Tracking Eligible Pupils Progress", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "extent , PDG , track , eligible pupils , progress", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Lynne Neagle AM asked to what extent they used PDG to track the progress of eligible pupils because there were several different tracking systems and tools used by schools. Kirsty Williams AM said it was absolutely crucial that they tracked performance and that they didn't dictate to individual schools the nature of the system they should employ in their school and that there were a number of different programs that allowed schools to do this. The best practice and evidence showed that individual pupil tracking was key and crucial. Also, the initial investment in PDG was used to establish these systems within schools.", "title": "PDG as Means of Tracking Eligible Pupils Progress", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 22 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "estyn", "speaker": "John Griffiths AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM said that in 2015-16 Estyn reported regional consortia were not sufficiently focusing and tracking on particular groups of pupils. Kirsty Williams AM said the consortia underwent a monitoring visit in 2017 which wasn't reflected in the Estyn annual report for 2015-16.", "title": "Estyn Report on Regional Consortia", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 16 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "estyn", "speaker": "John Griffiths AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "John Griffiths AM; in 2015-16, Estyn reported on regional consortia not sufficiently focusing on particular groups of pupils and tracking their outcomes; for example, vulnerable pupils; Kirsty Williams AM; all four consortia underwent monitoring visits in the autumn of last year, of 201, which weren't reflected in the Estyn annual report for 2015-16; Estyn, through these 2017 inspections, has said that three out of the four regional consortia are making strong progress in their particular work, and we are continuing, like Welsh Government, to work with the other regional consortia to address the findings of the Estyn report.", "title": "Estyn Report on Regional Consortia", "relevant_turns": [ [ 10, 16 ] ] } ], "source": [ "John Griffiths AM : Some questions on regional consortia, Cabinet Secretary, and, first of all, the role that you believe they should play and how schools use PDG.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, it's an absolute\u2014. It's one of the things that I have been very clear to the regional consortia that I expect their challenge and support advisers to be asking schools about. So, one of the conversations that they need to have when they are in schools is exploring, with that school, how they are using their PDG, and how they're demonstrating an impact for those resources. So, it's a fundamental role for the challenge and support advisers in the regional consortia in their school improvement work. It's crucial.", "John Griffiths AM : That sort of brings to mind some of the research that's been done on the role of the challenge advisers, Cabinet Secretary, which suggested that they're not actually challenging schools in that way, and that there's very little evidence of schools changing their decisions on the use of PDG as a result of any challenge from those challenge advisers. So, how would you respond to those findings?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Well, as I said, in my scrutiny of the role and success of our regional consortia, I specifically asked them about free-school-meal performance and the use of PDG within their particular region. I think there is increasing evidence to suggest that good use is being made of that resource, and I think that is being fed back into us. Estyn tell us that it's one of the areas of school expenditure that is closely linked to research and an evidence base. But, clearly, there is more to do, and that's why we have appointed the new regional advisers for PDG going forward, because we think there can be improvements in how this agenda can be supported at a regional level.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. So, you would recognise the findings from that research.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes. There's always more that we can do, and we are strengthening that role by the appointment of the new regional PDG advisers, so that individual\u00a0school challenge advisers know what they should be looking for, know what they should be doing, and there is a regional approach to good practice.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. Could you tell the committee, Cabinet Secretary, how effective you believe the relationship was between the Schools Challenge Cymru programme and the regional consortia's school improvement functions, and to what extent it varied by region?", "Kirsty Williams AM : I think it's fair to say that, on occasion, I have received feedback that there was a conflict between what was going on at an individual school under the school improvement programme and whether, then, they welcomed support from the regional consortia as part of that. So, in some cases, if we're being absolutely honest, there could sometimes be tensions between the two, but in most cases, the relationship was very, very positive and there was continuous feedback between the work going on in the schools under the programme and the regional consortia challenge advisers. But I'm going to be blunt and honest with people\u2014in some cases, it has been reported to me\u2014it's only anecdotal evidence; I haven't got hard and fast evidence\u2014that there sometimes was a conflict: 'We're a school challenge school so we don't need to participate or listen to any advice that's coming from the regional consortia.' Or, a local education authority said to me, 'We felt that we couldn't get involved in that school anymore because it was part of a different programme.' Those were isolated incidents, and, as I said, it's only anecdotal feedback. In most cases, the relationship was a very positive one.", "Steve Davies : Just very quickly, I think that, across the board, it was more complex in the beginning, getting\u2014[Inaudible.]. But when the programme itself recognised that they needed to work with the regions, and the regions needed to work with them\u2014and I think Mel Ainscow in his evidence referred to this\u2014it strengthened after some early challenges. I think Mel Ainscow was working in a number of regions\u2014I can't remember which ones\u2014so he's established relationships\u2014[Interruption.] Sorry?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Central south.", "Steve Davies : Central south. He has already been working in that, so I think it possibly had a stronger springboard in terms of the early working.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Because he already had relationships that he had already developed in that particular region. As always, with many of these things, it's about individuals and relationships.", "John Griffiths AM : Okay. Finally from me, Cabinet Secretary: in 2015-16, Estyn reported on regional consortia not sufficiently focusing on particular groups of pupils and tracking their outcomes\u2014for example, vulnerable pupils. I just wonder what you are able to tell us in terms of to what extent there has been necessary progress since 2015-16.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. Well, I think it's important to recognise that all four consortia underwent\u00a0monitoring visits in the autumn of last year, of 2017, which weren't reflected in the Estyn annual report for 2015-16. Estyn, through these 2017 inspections, have said that three out of the four regional consortia are making strong progress in their particular work, and we are continuing, as Welsh Government, to work with the other regional consortia to address the findings of the Estyn report.", "John Griffiths AM : And that would include these particular issues.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, absolutely. The committee probably hasn't had an opportunity to see, but, only this morning, Estyn has released a report on more able and talented, and has positive things to say in the field of more able and talented, which was being asked about earlier by Members\u2014you know, evidence of improved working and support in that particular arena. But, again, we need to ensure a consistency across all the regions, and that the findings of Estyn's most recent reports into regional performance are followed through.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. As we've got a couple of minutes left, if I can just jump back to the issue of practical uses of the PDG\u2014because it's the only thing we haven't really covered and it would be good to get on the record\u2014can I ask to what extent you'd like to see the PDG used to track the progress of eligible pupils? And the committee's heard that there are several different tracking systems and tools used by schools. To what extent is that an issue to do with what the Welsh Government is promoting? Or is it down to consortia or individual schools? And do you think there needs to be a more centralised push on how the tracking is undertaken?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Firstly, can I say it's absolutely crucial that we track performance, absolutely crucial? That's the bedrock. We don't dictate to individual schools the nature of the system that they should employ in their school. There are a number of different programmes that allow schools to do this, but we are absolutely clear, and best practice and evidence shows us, that individual pupil tracking is key and crucial. And, as I said in the beginning, where we weren't tracking pupils at all, initial investment in PDG was used to establish these systems within schools. Again, one of the outcomes from the schools challenge review, and one of the lessons learnt, was, again, the importance of individual tracking of pupils throughout their school career. But we don't dictate a single system.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you.", "Kirsty Williams AM : But the principle is a really important one.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, and you don't think there's more scope to look at what the best system is that can be recommended to schools.", "Kirsty Williams AM : That's not something we're actively looking at. I am actively looking at developing a Welsh toolkit around good practice, evidence base and research. At the moment we use the Sutton Trust toolkit, which is fine and excellent, but we are having active discussions about whether we're in a position, now, to look at developing a suite of a Welsh toolkit to support this agenda, and that's under active consideration.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay. Well, we've reached the end of our session. Can I thank the Cabinet Secretary and the officials for attending and for answering such a wide range of questions? As usual, you'll be sent a transcript to check for accuracy following the meeting, but thank you again for coming.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Thank you very much.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. Okay. Item 3, then, is papers to note. Paper to note 1 is a letter from the Minister for Children and Social Care on Families First funding. Paper to note 2 is a letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Education, updating us on the supply teacher issue. Paper to note 3\u2014another letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Education, providing further information following our meeting on 15 February. Paper to note 4 is a letter from the WJEC on availability of textbooks. Paper to note 5\u2014a letter from Qualifications Wales, also on availability of textbooks. And paper to note 6 is a letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Education to the Children's Commissioner for Wales, following up on the dialogue that they've been having about our inquiry. Are Members happy to note those? Thank you. Item 4, then, is for me to propose, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42, that the committee resolves to meet in private for the remainder of the meeting. Are Members content? Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 36, "turns": [ 18, 184 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "smart boards", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they got their first tool training, where they used a lot of high-tech tools there, so as they saw, they got the smart boards there paired with the white-board near it and it had a little toolbar on the side of it. 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Marketing passed the pen to User Interface and said that was just a little thingy.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Speaking About User Interface Designer", "relevant_turns": [ [ 19, 21 ], [ 119, 123 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "tech tools", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that they got their first tool training because they were working with a lot of high-tech tools there, so the training was helpful.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Tech Tools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 27 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "tech tools", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; got our first tool training; we are going to work; lot of high-tech tools here; handy; if we; little bit of training first; we've got smart boards; white board; little tool bar on this side; some functions; You can save; only undo; little piece of drawing; blank new document for each person.", "title": "Project Manager Talking About Tech Tools", "relevant_turns": [ [ 22, 27 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Let's do it read only . Well I don't know if you've noticed , but uh we're working for Real Reaction . Uh it's a company in uh electronics . We put fashion in electronics , uh we make it work , uh we put a lot of effort in design and in the product itself . I'm Bart {gap} the project manager so I'll direct you through the project . This is our agenda . {vocalsound} Uh we have our opening acquaintance , tool training , project plan description closing .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh maybe I can sit down , then I can take some notes or {disfmarker} Let's see . Maybe you can take the minutes once in a while .", "Marketing : Sure .", "Project Manager : I dunno it's not a lot of work , but just uh if you hear something uh you can write down , just write it down . Uh as you can see uh it's the opening , aquaintance tool training . Aquaintance is a point we've done a bit . Um have you all seen the corporate website already ? Yeah .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Marketing : Yep . Visit it .", "Project Manager : Have you seen any flaws in it ? I think I found one . {vocalsound} No ?", "User Interface : Hmm ?", "Marketing : Can't say I paid much attention to it ,", "Project Manager : I can see if it works this way . No , it doesn't work here .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay no problem . But um on the corporate information side there's a th uh {disfmarker} there was Real Remote instead of Real Reaction .", "Marketing : Oh yeah .", "Project Manager : Real Remote is not really the company we're {disfmarker} we are , but it's just a little {gap} fault .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um okay , what are we going to do ? {vocalsound} Uh our project aim is as you can see a new remote control . It has to be original , trendy , and user friendly . So these are uh the points why uh we also hired you . {vocalsound} We've got the Marketing Expert for uh the trendy and user friendly look .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : And Industrial Designer uh there's also user friendly and a bit original . {vocalsound} And we've got our User Interface Designer .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Project Manager : He's also uh {disfmarker} That's about the new remote control . Uh project method um is uh there are three phases we are going through . First is functional des uh design , individual work , meetings . After the functional design , then the conceptual design and the detailed design . {vocalsound} I had some role indications on here . But I think you know it already by yourself . The Industrial Designer is going to work on the working design , uh components design and a bit of the look and feel design . Uh the User Interface Designer is going to do the technical function design , user interface concept and user interface design . {vocalsound} And the marketing expert is doing a little bit of user requirement specification , trend watching and project {disfmarker} uh product ev evaluation . So that's a bit what you're going to do . But that will be all worked out in uh other meetings .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Then we've got our first tool training . {vocalsound} We are going to work with a lot of high-tech tools here , so it's ab it's handy if we have a little bit of training first . As you can see we've got the smart boards here and here in the white board . Um in the white board here there's a little tool bar on this side . Here are some functions . You can save . N uh these functions we don't have anything to do with , only undo , you can undo a little uh piece of drawing . A blank new document for each person . Uh select a pen , eraser . Capture we don't have to do anything with . Uh then we've got our pen . This pen . It's really funny because you can draw with it on this page um in the {disfmarker} think it is form of .", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : You can also select the current colour and the line width . But then first you have to select the pen function .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Project Manager : But we're going to work with it in a minute . So okay . Uh that's very simple and it's easy to uh draw your findings and drawings on there . {vocalsound} Uh then a short thing about documents . We've got our shared folder , project {gap} project {disfmarker} what was it ? Project documents {gap} I think . But all you will found that already because there are a lot of documents in it already , so it will be okay . And these are available on the smart boards as well , so if you have a document you wanna show , just open it from the folder .", "User Interface : Okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Here is a simple tool bar . It's what I just said , it's save , print , move back or forward one page . You can switch between the different drawings . And then we're going to try out the white board .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} So as you can see we g all {vocalsound} going to draw a animal . {vocalsound} Just to uh uh just to get a bit familiar with it .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mouse wasn't running away . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That was interesting .", "Project Manager : Is everybody {disfmarker} is anybody playing with the mouse ? No .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Innocent .", "Project Manager : Okay . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : We're going to uh draw animal . {vocalsound} And uh just sum up a few of its favourite characteristics .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um the only thing we have to uh look after is that we use different colours , and different line width .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh there's {disfmarker} I can start from now . I will . You can use this pen by holding it like a like a little child . Because if you hold it like this , the sensors will get blocked and then the drawing won't get good .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Another thing is you have to be uh a bit slow . 'Cause if you're going to draw like really fast then um the pen won't hold up . So we choose form of current colour uh I think grey is appropriate . Then the line width . I think seven will be nice . Now you'll see my drawing capabilities .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : These are not very much , but uh {disfmarker} Uh , see you have to do it real slow . {vocalsound} Oh {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Sure .", "Project Manager : Ah I was trying to draw a dolphin ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : but I think his nose has to be a little bit {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : But it's close .", "Marketing : I'm thinking about a swordfish .", "Project Manager : So what {disfmarker} yeah it's {disfmarker} this is bit of the swordfish .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , he hasn't got an eye .", "User Interface : {gap} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Woah . {vocalsound} Now we've got another function . We've got the eraser .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} And then you can undo this easily .", "Marketing : Meat .", "Project Manager : Ah it's okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : And I've got to write down a few of its characteristics . Uh is {disfmarker} They've got no text tool , no . Uh . {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : This is typically a undo action , I think . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Pen . Maybe you have to hold it a bit upside-down . I think that's it because if you wan ar are going to do it like this then it will be a stripe . But I don't know , I'm just trying . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} This is not my work ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : okay .", "Marketing : Hmm .", "Project Manager : Maybe you have to use {disfmarker} Oh .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh . I think it's a {disfmarker} it wants to draw a {disfmarker} another animal ? I don't know . It lives for the fun . So {disfmarker} It's my characteristic uh characteristic about the dolphin . It lives for the fun . So now I'm gonna hand over the pen on the new blank sheet to you .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Go ahead .", "Marketing : Thank you . Okay . Gonna use a different line width . And I'm gonna draw in black . There . 'Kay , I'm not much of an artist , but here we go .", "Project Manager : Maybe it's easier to draw the smaller line width , I think . Because this is going a lot better than uh I did .", "User Interface : Hmm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : A sheep .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : This is my um {disfmarker} Hmm . Sheep .", "Project Manager : It's nice . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : With of course", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh .", "Marketing : little blue dot they always get sprayed on their butts .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's a real dead sheep ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : There .", "Project Manager : yeah . {vocalsound} For recognition ,", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : yeah , I see . {vocalsound} Um maybe you can also write your name somewhere .", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : On just a {disfmarker}", "Marketing : They are {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Come on . You have to go really slow when you're writing .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : They're brilliant animal animals .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : And that's just a little me thingy . So . Guess I'll pass the pen to our User Interface Designer .", "Project Manager : Nice .", "User Interface : Okay . Um I'm just gonna draw its uh head , but mm {disfmarker} Let's see . Mm . Uh . {gap} Okay . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Sweet . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Interesting .", "User Interface : You know what that is ? Or who ?", "Industrial Designer : Garfield .", "Marketing : A rabbit ?", "User Interface : Ah okay , yeah .", "Marketing : Garfield . Yeah .", "User Interface : Just a {disfmarker} Mm . Guess . So uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah . That's enough . {vocalsound} Um , you say a blank ,", "Project Manager : Yeah , just a blank sheet .", "User Interface : or {disfmarker} Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Well I was gonna draw a cat too , so .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'll just try something else .", "Project Manager : No . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Something different than Garfield .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Mine is a bit more skinny . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , it's pretty skinny cat . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} But uh {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And the most interesting tail .", "Project Manager : Is your cat , or did you find him on the street ? {gap} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well , it's supposed to be a cat . I like cats because uh they are uh independent .", "Project Manager : Ah . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : The pen . So .", "Project Manager : Okay . That's pretty clear . So everybody knows how to work with the white board now ? So if you have any ideas or if you wanna draw anything on the white board , just ask", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : The pen . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and go ahead . It's pretty uh easy .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} 'Kay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : S {gap}", "Marketing : We're being haunted .", "Project Manager : haunted white board . {vocalsound} So we've got the tool uh introduction . We move along to the project finance ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 20, "turns": [ 335, 534 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost calculation , budget issues", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The discussion was about sticking to the budget by making modifications to the remote. First, there was a discussion about whether the rubber should be included in the material used or if it should be reported separately, to which Marketing replied that it should be included in the total cost and that there was no way to code it in another way. Then, there was discussion about swapping the kinetic battery for a standard battery and seeing if there was any difference in cost, also if there was any difference in the curved or flat rubber casing. When placing the data in the program, it was not known if the calculation was in euros or dollars, to which the User Interface replied that it was perhaps in euros. It was concluded that the electronics and the interface were the most expensive. It was wondered if removing voice recognition would help tighten the budget. The industrial designer did not understand why it had to be sold for 25 euros if they were already willing to pay more for a better product, User Interface thought that it should be more expensive, to which the Project Manager said that it could adjust the price and then make recommendations of changes with a better budget. In the end, the voice recognition was removed so the cost was twelve point three five which left them below the budget of twelve point five.", "title": "Product Changes for Budget Adjustment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 68 ], [ 85, 96 ], [ 109, 119 ], [ 142, 161 ], [ 174, 193 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "cost calculation , budget issues", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial designer, actually on there, not incorporated in the cost of the remote; Marketing, part of the total cost, nowhere else, code for the rubber used in casing; User interface, change the battery, Instead of going for kinetic how about going for a standard battery; Marketing, any difference; Project Manager, seven five, changed a lot; Marketing, rubber case, curved thing, difference; Industrial Designer, assuming, in Euros, it could be in Dollars; And then it would be fine, exchange range, twelve; Project Manager, dealing with dollars; User interface, in Euro; Project Manager, the highest, electronics, interface, voice recognition, business class, upgraded version, choose; Industrial designer, why, sell, twenty five euros, quite willing, pay more, better product; User interface, costly; Marketing, recommendations, consensus, result of the meetings; Project manager, price fit; Marketing, take voice recognition out; Industrial Designer, twelve point three five; User interface, close to the budget, fifty percent of the cost, half of the price; Project Manager, twelve point five; User interface, under the budget.", "title": "Product Changes for Budget Adjustment", "relevant_turns": [ [ 65, 68 ], [ 85, 96 ], [ 109, 119 ], [ 142, 161 ], [ 174, 193 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "replacement , kinetic batteries , cost calculation , budget issues", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface was the first to question the replacement of kinetic batteries with a standard battery. Later User Interface said that there would be a big difference in cost if the battery was changed, User interface also said that customers never mentioned anything about the battery, as it was internal, no one looked at it, and that was better than compromising other things that would affect the appearance of the product.", "title": "Replacement of the Kinetic Batteries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 85, 90 ], [ 116, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "replacement , kinetic batteries , cost calculation , budget issues", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface questioned the replacement of kinetic batteries with a standard battery, then, User Interface mentioned that there would be a big difference in cost, and that it was internal, so no one would be looking at it and that it was better to replace the battery than compromising other things.", "title": "Replacement of the Kinetic Batteries", "relevant_turns": [ [ 85, 90 ], [ 116, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Incorporation , voice recognition , cost calculation , budget issues", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project manager mentioned that there was no need to add speech recognition, so Marketing asked what difference would it make if speech recognition was removed, the answer was that it was close to budget with twelve point three five, and all agreed to remove it.", "title": "Elimination of Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 142, 147 ], [ 160, 176 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Incorporation , voice recognition , cost calculation , budget issues", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The project manager said that there was no need to add voice recognition, they could do it for business class, and they can choose to have that or not. So Marketing asked about the difference if voice recognition was removed, the answer was that it was close to budget with twelve point three five, and everyone agreed to remove voice recognition.", "title": "Elimination of Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 142, 147 ], [ 160, 176 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said that it wasn\u2019t needed to add voice recognition, they could do it only for business class. They asked which was the difference if voice recognition was taken out, the answer was that they were closed to the budget with twelve point three five.", "title": "Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 142, 147 ], [ 160, 176 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , budget", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager mentioned that it wasn't necessary to add voice recognition, they could do it for business class, and costumers could choose whether to have it or not. They asked which was the difference if voice recognition took out, the answer was that they were closed to the budget with twelve point three five, and all agreed to eliminate voice recognition.", "title": "Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 142, 147 ], [ 160, 176 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost , better product", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer didn't get why it had to be sold for twenty-five euros, if customers would pay more for a better product. Industrial Designer agreed with Marketing to include recommendations of what they had found and the consensus they reached.", "title": "Cost of Better Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 148, 164 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost , better product", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer didn't understand why it had to be sold for twenty-five euros, if it had been said that the clients would be willing to pay more if it was a better product. Industrial Designer and Marketing agreed to include the recommendations of the findings and the consensus they had come to, as a result of the meetings, while sticking to the budget.", "title": "Cost of Better Product", "relevant_turns": [ [ 148, 164 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : that um {disfmarker} Okay . We just type numbers into this and we come out with the final value . So are we still on for kinetic ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yes .", "Project Manager : Okay . See , it woulda been handy to have this at the beginning . Um it might have influenced our choice . Right , what's happening with the electronics ?", "Industrial Designer : It was a regular chip on print", "User Interface : Chip on print .", "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Double-curved .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , no , no , no , the um {disfmarker} Yeah , it's {disfmarker} you you've put in three for the number of kinetic cells , there should just be one . In the top , it's the number", "Project Manager : Oh , right ,", "Industrial Designer : of c yeah {gap} .", "Project Manager : okay . Thanks .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : So , would there be two ?", "Industrial Designer : and {disfmarker} yeah , just a {disfmarker} no , one reg v uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : One chip .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , one of them and one sample sensor and sample speaker .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yep .", "Industrial Designer : And they're double curved . No .", "User Interface : Single-curved .", "Project Manager : One double curve .", "Industrial Designer : Y Two ,", "User Interface : Two curves , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : 'cause it's two .", "Marketing : But it has a slightly flattened bottom so it can sit . So it can rest .", "Project Manager : So what's a single curve then ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I'd say I'd say it was w", "Marketing : It would just be a flat bottom with one curve . {gap} like a domed thing .", "Industrial Designer : yeah , I think I think it's {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Single-cu", "Project Manager : So just one double {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : One double-curved .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : And one {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Plastic and rubber .", "Industrial Designer : no , 'cause one {disfmarker} yeah , one's double-curved , and then the other one's", "Marketing : The other curves at the sides , but it's slightly flattened at the bottom so it doesn't roll over . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm . {vocalsound} Um we've got plastic and rubber ,", "Industrial Designer : a plastic .", "Project Manager : haven't we ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Plastic one and maybe rubber point five .", "Industrial Designer : And special colour .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {gap} .", "User Interface : No I think rubber , since it's being used just as a casing ,", "Project Manager : Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : we can put point five .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Do you think ?", "User Interface : Yeah , I think it allows the point five , yeah . We can use that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : What does it mean if you put point five for that ?", "User Interface : It means we are not using a lot of rubber actually . We're using just a very low quantity of rubber compared to plastic .", "Project Manager : It would be like saying we're using {disfmarker} See , it says case material . So", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : we're not actually using plastic in the case , are we ?", "Industrial Designer : No , no , that's {disfmarker} it's as an extra .", "Project Manager : It's including , it's including .", "Marketing : Right , okay .", "Industrial Designer : So that shouldn't that shouldn't be actually on there , because that's not incorporated in the cost of the remote you get .", "Marketing : But it is gonna be part of the total cost , and there's nowhere else we can we can put that in , is there ?", "Industrial Designer : {gap}", "Marketing : There's nowhere else we can code for the the rubber used in the casing . So do we not have to account for it in the cost somewhere there ?", "Project Manager : Okay , we'll just put it in as we'll put in as half .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Or sh we should just put it in as one , because the plastic is zero anyway .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , okay .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : No , we don't step on anyone's toes . Okay , special colour , do we need that ?", "Marketing : Might do , if we go for some of the more exotic aubergines and such like colours .", "Project Manager : N yeah , okay . {vocalsound} Interface .", "User Interface : Push-button .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "User Interface : One .", "Industrial Designer : the push-button's one and L_C_ display one .", "User Interface : An One .", "Project Manager : Buttons {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And buttons {disfmarker}", "Marketing : S", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think we could change the battery also . Instead of going for kinetic how about going for a standard battery .", "Marketing : Has that not made any d if you click off that square now , has that not made any difference ?", "Project Manager : Has that not gone up ?", "Industrial Designer : Well yes .", "Marketing : Is it {disfmarker} oh , it's brought it slightly down .", "Project Manager : Oh no , it was seven five it's changed not a lot .", "Marketing : So is is uncurved completely and just actually making the rubber case the curved thing ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : is that going to make a difference ?", "User Interface : Uncurved , flat .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh , it's not made any difference , has it? .", "User Interface : No ,", "Industrial Designer : No ,", "User Interface : it just surprises one .", "Industrial Designer : we'll have {disfmarker}", "Marketing : It's gone up again .", "Project Manager : Oh , it's not calculated it .", "Industrial Designer : No , no , you've got to click off to calculate it again .", "Marketing : Oh .", "Project Manager : Okay , there we go .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's brought it down slightly .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} It's not a lot though .", "User Interface : {gap} . {vocalsound} I don't think so .", "Industrial Designer : C it might uh you might you might be assuming that that is in Euros . It could be in Dollars . And then it would be fine , because the exchange range would make it about twelve .", "Project Manager : We haven't been dealin we haven't been dealing with dollars though ,", "Marketing : Is there anything on the menu {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I think {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} No .", "User Interface : Ri I think it's in Euro {gap} .", "Project Manager : Okay , so the highest we've got is the electronics here . Um {vocalsound} and the interface .", "Marketing : If we tr um . If we moved away from our much loved idea of a kinetic battery and just went with the standard batteries , would that make a huge difference ?", "User Interface : And going to a regular bat Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , the standard , it {vocalsound} um it would make one difference . The biggest one would be taking away {disfmarker} if you took away {disfmarker}", "User Interface : What I feel is , customers never said anything about the battery {gap} .", "Industrial Designer : If you to", "User Interface : It's internal , nobody looks into the battery .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : But shape and colours , that's something we shouldn't comprimi", "Marketing : And people are used to buying batteries ,", "Industrial Designer : If if you take away the voice ,", "Marketing : they're not gonna say I'm not getting this , 'cause I've got to buy a battery for a remote control .", "Industrial Designer : I I do I don't like to say it , but if you take away the voice recognition , then you've got it .", "User Interface : Where's that special form ? Mm mm mm .", "Marketing : Should we see what difference it makes ?", "Project Manager : Where's the", "Industrial Designer : Yeah i yeah .", "Project Manager : where's the voice recognition ?", "Industrial Designer : No 'cause it's samples sens sample speaker .", "Marketing : Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Right , okay .", "Industrial Designer : If you took away that , that'll make it twelve point three five .", "Project Manager : Well the kinetic is three . If we change it to the battery it's {disfmarker} that's minus three .", "Industrial Designer : They {vocalsound} n n yeah , but you p minus three plus two .", "Project Manager : Oh , right . I keep seeing zero . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We can do it some other way ,", "User Interface : {gap}", "Project Manager : we can do {disfmarker} it doesn't have to be voice recognition . We could do the voice recognition for , you know , business class or something , you know , like an upgraded version .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : You could choose to have that or not .", "Marketing : Sure .", "Industrial Designer : But they {disfmarker} but I mean in {disfmarker} I don't see why we have to sell it for twenty five Euros now , because they w they were saying they were quite willing to pay more for better product .", "Marketing : But we're still working to um head o", "Project Manager : So should we just change the design specification then ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Make it costly .", "Marketing : We can put in our recommendations . If we if we're working to head office specifications as {disfmarker} this is what this project team's working for , we can put in our recommendations for what we've we've found and what we {disfmarker} the consensus that we've come to as a result of the meetings .", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : We c we could s", "Marketing : But we need to work to that specification to start with .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we could say {disfmarker}", "Marketing : And I think the voice recognition sounds wonderful , but our object is so distinctive that that in itself is gonna make it easier to locate as a f you know in a first instance . Um as you say , we can offer the voice recognition initially to business class customers", "Project Manager : Okay , we can make the price fit ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I s", "Project Manager : and then say if we'd had our budget , we would've had this ,", "Industrial Designer : And then say we recommend {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : because it also sets it apart from the crowd .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . 'Cause we've done all the background work to go for that if they want it .", "Project Manager : They like their gadgets , they like something that's completely different .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : It's {vocalsound} s something completely different associated with your company .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Right , okay , so {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So if we take voice recognition out {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : That'll do it . Twelve point three five .", "User Interface : Yeah we are close to the budget .", "Marketing : {gap} we are .", "Industrial Designer : Is it twelve point fif was it twelve point fifty ?", "User Interface : Two five .", "Project Manager : It's two point five . No , it's twelve point two five .", "Marketing : Are you sure ? Sorry , not meaning to doubt your words there .", "Project Manager : Yeah well two , twelve point two five times two is twenty five ,", "Marketing : Right . {vocalsound} Are they really going to quibble about ten P_ ? Or point zero one of a Euro ?", "User Interface : It's twelve point five maybe , then .", "Project Manager : isn't it ?", "Marketing : Which is less than ten P_ .", "User Interface : I don't know what {disfmarker} it said fifty percent of the cost . So half of the price would be {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think the agenda one was where the um price was , wasn't it ? No .", "User Interface : I think it is the first one .", "Marketing : That's today's kick off meeting , {gap} .", "Project Manager : Twelve point five .", "Marketing : Mm . {gap} I thought that's what it was .", "User Interface : So we are under the budget .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : Ah .", "Project Manager : Well done , people .", "Marketing : So we're okay .", "Project Manager : So", "Industrial Designer : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 15, "turns": [ 181, 197 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "advantages , FE , post-16 education", "speaker": "Suzy Davies AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that one of the advantages of the new curriculum was how it tooked the pedagogical principles of the early years education into children's educational journey. Suzy Savies AM asked about the need to ensure that the transition to post-16 education was supported, and Kirsty Williams AM answered that FE had been involved in every AoLE and that they were a part of the curriculum and assessment group, as any changes to qualifications should be a gateway to further study in FE.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's View on the New Curriculum Advantages for FE", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "advantages , FE , post-16 education", "speaker": "Suzy Davies AM , Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that one of the advantages of the new curriculum was how it tooked the pedagogical principles that underpinned the approach to early years education into children's educational journey. Suzy Savies AM asked about the need to ensure that the transition to post-16 education was supported so that the systems didn't clash against each other. Kirsty Williams AM repplied that FE had been involved in every AoLE and that they were a part of the curriculum and assessment group, as any changes to qualifications should be a gateway to further study in FE, and stated that FE continued to be one of the real strengths of the education system.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's View on the New Curriculum Advantages for FE", "relevant_turns": [ [ 2, 8 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "benefit , EOTAS , PRU , purposes", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that they intended to set a minimum for EOTAS and PRU of what would be expected for a child to receive. In order to accomplish that expectation, there would be work around four purposes around cross-cutting themes of literacy, numeracy and digital competency, as well as health and well-being. So, that would be the baseline of the expectation, and then they could focus on the best interests of a particular pupil.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's View on the Benefits for PRU and EOTAS", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "benefit , EOTAS , PRU , purposes", "speaker": "Kirsty Williams AM" }, "summary": "Kirsty Williams AM said that they intended to set a minimum for EOTAS and PRU of what would be expected for a child to receive. So, that would be around the four purposes: the cross-cutting themes of literacy, numeracy and digital competency, and health and well-being.", "title": "Kirsty Williams AM's View on the Benefits for PRU and EOTAS", "relevant_turns": [ [ 13, 15 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. Suzy, you've got a question on early years.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes. To what extent will the new curriculum allow for the continuity of the way that the foundation phase is taught? Will there be any significant differences and have the early years professionals been involved in the development of the curriculum to date?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, early years professionals have been involved in the curriculum to date. One of the advantages, I think, of the new curriculum is to take the pedagogical principles that underpin our approach to early years education actually further into children's educational journey. I'm sure, Suzy, that you've had conversations that\u2014. We have a certain pedagogical approach until the age of seven, and then all of a sudden, at seven, it's like, 'Forget all of that now. Sit down, pick up your pen and do this.' That's been really uncomfortable for many practitioners in our primary sector. So, actually, yes, statutory and non-statutory provision have been involved in the development of the curriculum because, of course, some of this is going to be delivered in the non-statutory sector. I'm very welcoming and supportive of that, but those pedagogical principles will now be available throughout that child's educational journey, rather than the false divide we've got at the moment.", "Suzy Davies AM : So, aside from the purposes and the AoLEs, the type of teaching is unlikely to change in the foundation phase settings.", "Kirsty Williams AM : No.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay. The other end of the scale now: you report that one of the themes of the feedback from further education has been the need to ensure that the transition to post-16 education is supported so that the systems don't just clash against each other. How are you working on the sector at the moment to make sure that there's a decent dovetail?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. So, that's really important. We don't want to do anything in pre-16 that stops people going on to be successful in post-16, whichever route the child or young person decides to take. FE have been involved in every single AoLE and they're a part of the curriculum and assessment group. So, colleagues in FE have been part of this process throughout. And then in the conversations we had yesterday with Qualifications Wales around what qualifications will look like, I was very keen to take the opportunity to emphasise that any changes to qualifications should be a gateway to further study in FE, whichever type of route the child took. But FE have been involved in this process from the very beginning.", "Suzy Davies AM : And you're confident they're geared up to accepting young people who have been educated in this way.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Yes, absolutely. FE continues to be one of the real strengths of our education system.", "Suzy Davies AM : Okay, that's great, thank you.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Okay, thank you. We've got a question now on governance arrangements. Suzy, you're down to do that one\u2014sorry, Si\u00e2n.", "Sian Gwenllian AM : I think you actually answered this at the beginning, but just to confirm that you're carrying on with the same governance set-up, the different groups that you've got, and there's nothing being added there or taken away.", "Kirsty Williams AM : No.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Thank you. And just finally from me, then, on pupil referral units: what arrangements will be in place to ensure that they can benefit from the new curriculum and how is that going to be reflected in the legislation?", "Kirsty Williams AM : Okay. So, we've been taking advice from Brett Pugh, who chairs the education otherwise than at school improvement group, and this has been an area where we've had to think really, really, really, really, really hard. So, what we intend to do for EOTAS and PRU is to set a minimum of what we would expect a child to receive. So, that would be around the four purposes; that would be around the cross-cutting themes of literacy, numeracy and digital competency and health and well-being. So, that would be the baseline of our expectation, that every pupil would get that. After that, then there needs to be a discussion and a focus on what is in the best interests of that particular pupil. One of the things we know about sometimes in EOTAS is we have very able and talented students who don't get access to the range of qualifications and courses that they have the capability and the aptitude to do. We also have to consider, though, that for some children they may be out of school for reasons, and telling them that they've got to do a full curriculum may be hugely detrimental to their mental health and well-being. So, for instance, to give an example, you could have a child who's very ill, and saying to them, 'You have to carry the full load of a curriculum' could be inappropriate. So, we'll be setting a minimum standard, as I said, around the purposes, around the cross-cutting themes and health and well-being, and then there will be an expectation that in conjunction with the child and the family an appropriate addition would be put in place to meet the needs of that child, recognising that they could have very different needs. Is that clear?", "Lynne Neagle AM : Well, yes, and it's something that we'll probably look to build on when we look at our inquiry on EOTAS, which is coming up. Thank you. That concludes our questions. We've covered a lot of ground. So, can I thank you for attending and thank your officials for coming today? As usual, we will send you a transcript to check for accuracy following the meeting, but thank you again, all of you, for your attendance this morning.", "Kirsty Williams AM : Thank you." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 1, "turns": [ 54, 283 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "design , product evaluation", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing asked for help to evaluate product criteria. First were considered criteria found and then the group had to do evaluation. Last was calculating the average score. Criteria meant users' complaints, based on a seven point scale.", "title": "Evaluation Model Created by Marketing", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "design , product evaluation", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "help me do an evaluation; just discuss some of the criteria, based on the past reports, was looking at earlier; do a group evaluation of the prototype; calculate the average score to see how we did; criteria; gonna be looking at are the complaints; heard from the users; interviewed earlier; seven point scale; one is going to mean true; seven being false.", "title": "Marketing Explains Product Evaluation Criteria", "relevant_turns": [ 0 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product evaluation , feature , solving customers ' concerns", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Team tried to evaluate remote's color, shape, ergonomics. The color was too bright, but dictated by the company, ergonomics was better than average. Ugliness was not solved. Team agreed the product was simple and intuitive to use. Team agreed operating behaviour of users were matched with only four most common controls that let scrolling and selecting. Issue with losing the remote was discussed. Team agreed it couldn't be lost with its size and color.", "title": "Concerns of Users and Remote Control Evaluation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 25 ], [ 48, 50 ], [ 54, 60 ], [ 64, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product evaluation , feature , solving customers ' concerns", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager most definitely agreed that what was out there was ugly. It was bright and had traditional black. There were no sharp angles to it due to its curvyness. It was more beautiful than an average remote.The colour detracted a little bit. The remote was ugly because the color was ugly. It was simple for users and intuitive. It was brought down to four controls. Such a big and yellow remote couldn't be lost.", "title": "The Ugly Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 7, 25 ], [ 48, 50 ], [ 54, 60 ], [ 64, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "product , technologically innovative features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Team pondered incorporating speech recognition in case the remote got lost. Some noise making feature if the remote was too far from the televison was considered, for instance whistling or clapping, same as features found on suitcases or key rings that made for annoying alarm. It also could be integrated easily and could rise an alarm in case the television got stolen. Team thought no to be too technologically innovative even though the remote had a screen on it, due to applying stolen technology coming from Ipod.", "title": "Finding Innovative Features in the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 72 ], [ 101, 124 ], [ 136, 145 ], [ 158, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "product , technologically innovative features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Team decided to add stolen technology in order to make the remote more technologically innovative. Ipod features were the inspiration. Team agreed to add noise features such as clapping or whistling that would make finding the remote easier.", "title": "Inspirational Brands", "relevant_turns": [ [ 71, 72 ], [ 101, 124 ], [ 136, 145 ], [ 158, 163 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "controls", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "The remote controls did match the users' operating preferences. Controls were simple and only four with option for scrolling and selecting.", "title": "Controls of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "controls", "speaker": "Marketing , User Interface" }, "summary": "brought it down to basically four controls most common, which are channel and volume; scrolling through and selecting a few.", "title": "Remote Control and its Controls", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Team compared remote's fashion to Carmen Miranda. Fashion was shown in remote's LCD screen and operation rather than its appearence.", "title": "Fashion in Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 186, 195 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "fashion", "speaker": "Marketing , Project Manager , Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Carmen Miranda was mentioned in reference to remote's look. The fashion was displayed in the LCD screen and the way you operate it than the form and the colour.", "title": "Fashion in Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 186, 195 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : {vocalsound} I do . Okay . You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria . Um . Okay . So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found . Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier . And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype . And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did . Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier . So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale . And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that . With seven being false , we did not achieve that . {gap} . Okay . So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I think it's definitely different than anything else out there .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : So if they think that what is out there is ugly , then yes I would say , I would say most definitely .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I would {gap} .", "Project Manager : It's bright .", "User Interface : It's bright . It's {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It still has your traditional black .", "User Interface : It's curved . It's not {disfmarker} there's no sharp", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : angles to it .", "Project Manager : Yep , not angular .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , the form and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : However the colour , we don't have a say in that .", "Marketing : Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Some people might say it . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : That has been , that has been dictated pretty much by the company .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yep .", "Marketing : That's true . Yeah .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : 'S nothing you can say about that . I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : But {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah something more modern to go {disfmarker} a a modern colour to go with the modern form .", "Industrial Designer : Right . Right . It's different . You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that .", "Marketing : Um okay so , do you think , since we {disfmarker} This was a a sign criteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Does that sound good ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What do you think ? Three ? Four ?", "Project Manager : I would say", "Marketing : Five ?", "Project Manager : four . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Four is fair . Okay .", "Project Manager : Very non-committal , four .", "Marketing : Okay , the second one . Did we make it simple for new users ?", "Industrial Designer : It's very intuitive , I think yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah . I think that was the main aim , one of the main aims that we had .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} S give it a one .", "Marketing : One ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : 'kay . Okay . Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ?", "User Interface : Uh yeah . 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls {gap} most common , which are channel and volume .", "Marketing : I'd say that {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "User Interface : And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further .", "Project Manager : S scrolling through and selecting a few .", "Industrial Designer : Right . So that's a one .", "Marketing : So one ?", "Project Manager : I think that's a one .", "Marketing : Yeah ? {vocalsound} Okay . Okay um the fourth one . How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints .", "Industrial Designer : Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's bright yellow .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Bright yellow's hard to lose . But um if we were to , if we were , that , the speech recognition . That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing . That was what we'd we'd mentioned .", "Project Manager : So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Just just to use , to find it when it was lost . But like I said , like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily .", "Industrial Designer : Oops . Hmm .", "User Interface : And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things . That's gonna be a difficult shape to {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Well what {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : And it is quite bright and {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ?", "Project Manager : Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : S", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : I mean you know {gap} loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Marketing : That's true .", "Project Manager : But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Industrial Designer : Oh yeah . You probably {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Probably two . You know . If we eliminate the fact that you know it's impossible to guarantee that it's not gonna be lost then", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "Project Manager : I'd say two .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : With the speech recognition , which of course may be changed depending on budget .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Y you could add an extra feature actually . Which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far .", "Project Manager : Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yes .", "User Interface : Yeah true . But I mean d just those whistling , clapping key rings you have . They're cheap .", "Marketing : Annoying alarm or something ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : It's it's {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : So it can't be that", "Industrial Designer : Um the {disfmarker} it's based on this anti anti-theft technology for suitcases and stuff ,", "User Interface : expensive .", "Project Manager : Some sort of proximity {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage , another piece that starts beeping . That can't cost much .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide , so you have one piece , you have to glue somewhere behind your {disfmarker} stick it behind your T_V_ and the other {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {gap} stick it on the T_V_ {gap} .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : That'd be tough then . {vocalsound} Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television , yeah . Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : So . Are we adding one of these two features ?", "Industrial Designer : Let's add one of those features and say yes . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {gap} gonna say {disfmarker} okay .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : So we're {vocalsound} back to a one ?", "User Interface : Two .", "Marketing : Or a two ?", "Project Manager : Two .", "Industrial Designer : Two .", "Marketing : Two , 'kay . Okay . Are we technologically innovative ?", "Industrial Designer : Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I'd say so .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Uh don't get many mo remote controls with", "Industrial Designer : It's all just {disfmarker}", "User Interface : screens on .", "Industrial Designer : It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah it's stolen technology .", "Marketing : From iPod yeah . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But we have {gap} .", "Project Manager : But there's not a lot of yellow , there's not a lotta yellow .", "Industrial Designer : right", "Marketing : But for remotes {disfmarker} yeah .", "Project Manager : Course that wasn't really {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : right", "User Interface : Fa", "Industrial Designer : right right .", "Project Manager : we were kinda forced to take that colour .", "Marketing : Two ? Three ?", "User Interface : {gap} 'cause it's stolen .", "Project Manager : I don't know that we are that innovative , to tell you the truth . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No maybe not .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah not really .", "Marketing : But how many remotes do you see like this ?", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : If we added the screaming factor {vocalsound} then we go up .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Not so many .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Um I would say we're probably at four .", "Industrial Designer : Right .", "Marketing : Really ? Okay . {vocalsound} That's gonna hurt us .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay . Um spongy material ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah well you have that , kind of , sort of .", "Project Manager : We have some spongy , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah as much as as needed , I think .", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Industrial Designer : It's not a one though .", "Project Manager : No .", "Industrial Designer : One would be the whole thing", "Project Manager : Yeah . Because it's only got what , these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side {disfmarker} the bottom {disfmarker} the underneath on the back .", "Industrial Designer : to fold and stuff . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : So that's a four at most .", "Project Manager : Probably a four at most . Possibly even a five .", "Marketing : And lastly , did we put the fashion in electronics ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Y yes .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I'd say we did .", "Project Manager : If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda , you betcha . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : More {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the L_C_D_ and the way you operate it than the form and the colour ,", "User Interface : On the {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's true .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but it definitely is {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Be what we were told , and they'd say yeah , definitely .", "Industrial Designer : {gap} .", "Marketing : 'Kay . Alright . Now we just gotta calculate . Six eight twelve sixteen . Seventeen divided by s", "User Interface : {gap} .", "Project Manager : Seven is {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Eight .", "Project Manager : Two point {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap} two point four ?", "User Interface : Is that some long division ? No .", "Project Manager : Something .", "Marketing : Well I haven't done math in years .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What two {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I dunno .", "User Interface : Just , I'm sure there's a {gap} .", "Marketing : Okay we'll say two point four two . Right ? How does that look ?", "Industrial Designer : I'm impressed . I can't do that without a calculator . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : No I can't do long {gap}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It's been a while .", "User Interface : very impressive .", "Project Manager : And what what is the acceptable criteria ? Is there like a scale that we have to hit ?", "Marketing : Oh no . They just told me to", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it {vocalsound} basically .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Alright then .", "Marketing : So that's that .", "Project Manager : Okay . Well , let's see .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 22, "turns": [ 0, 321 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "component design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The team focused on the component design of the remote control such as the case, its power supply, means of communication with the telly set. The microphone was to be a part of the device and speaker was essential for speech recognition to work and to make sounds when the remote got lost. The case of the new control was decided to be curved. The materials were a topic as well. Rubber was not approved of due to the heat factor, plastic also was not indicated due to heat and brittle, titanium was excluded too. The chip design was advanced on print and included an infrared sender and a sensor and speaker integrated into. Wood was agreed on as a design component due to its environmental friendliness. It had to be of good quality, hardwood. Display possibility and its size were discussed. The team agreed on mahogany and customizable casing.", "title": "Details of the Remote's Components", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 23 ], [ 27, 35 ], [ 45, 50 ], 52, [ 72, 74 ], 97, 286, 311, [ 314, 316 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "component design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Components such as the case, the power supply, and the means of communications with the television set were considered. Microphone and a way of making the remote beep in case it was lots had to be incorporated. The design would be curved. Rubber and plastic got excluded because of the heat factor. Wood was environmentally friendly and good. Chips had to be advanced with this infrared sender. The display was discussed.", "title": "Remote's Design Regarding Its Components", "relevant_turns": [ [ 17, 23 ], [ 27, 35 ], [ 45, 50 ], 52, [ 72, 74 ], 97, 286, 311, [ 314, 316 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wood , manufacture material , components design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Wood as a manufacturing material was chosen because cases made of wood could be curved, in opposition to titanium. It also was an environmentally friendly material. Exotic types of wood could be chosen especially with team members' knowledge as they came from tropical countries. Industrial Designer insisted on making the remote control out of wood. The team addressed possible problems that might occur with wood as a natural material. Explicitly, it chipped when dropped. Project manager asked if the team was not convinced about the wood. The answer was that the idea might work if good quality, hardwood was used in the manufacturing process. It would be an innovative idea to own a custom-made wood remote with speech control.", "title": "An Innovative Wooden Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ 35, [ 37, 38 ], 41, 52, 54, 56, 84, [ 89, 99 ], 108, 111, [ 131, 133 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "wood , manufacture material , components design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Wood was approved because it could be curved. Using exotic wood would be important. Wood chipped if dropped. Wood might work as a manufacturing material if a really good quality wood would be used for it, meaning an extremely hardwood. Possibility to choose type and colour of wood would be something uncommon on the market.", "title": "Novelty on the Market", "relevant_turns": [ 35, [ 37, 38 ], 41, 52, 54, 56, 84, [ 89, 99 ], 108, 111, [ 131, 133 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "display , components design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The group had to decide if the remote control would have a display and focused on assessing its usefulness, considering a television was one big display already. User Interface made it clear that cutting on the display would reduce the remote's cost of production. It was crucial to determine what the display would be used for in order to go the most cost-efficient possible.", "title": "Pros and Cond of a Display", "relevant_turns": [ [ 286, 302 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "display , components design , remote control", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Project Manager stated it was to decide whether the remote would have the display or was just a simple one. User Interface said it depended. It was a good idea, but the team had to think how useful it was gonna be, and depended on the cost as putting in a big display was probably expensive and might not be the most cost-efficient.", "title": "Cost-Efficiency of a Display", "relevant_turns": [ [ 286, 302 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "case , rubber , wood , brittle , plastic , titanium", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "The case's design was to be curved and made of wood. Titanium couldn't be curved, hence got excluded. Other materials such as plastic and rubber were rejected due to heat factors. Plastic would brittle as well. The wooden case was environmentally friendly and could be customizable by a customer.", "title": "Customizable Wooden Case", "relevant_turns": [ 17, 27, 33, 37, 54, 301, 315 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "case , rubber , wood , brittle , plastic , titanium", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface" }, "summary": "A specific assumption in the case of the remote control would be wooden and curved was made. The team was thinking of using rubber as a case material but it had been eliminated because of the heat factor. The plastic had also had the problem of melting and would brittle after a while. Manufacturing couldn't make curved cases out of titanium. Wood gave customers the possibility to design their own case through Internet, similarly to a car order. The team thought about the remote's case made with beautiful mahogany hardwood.", "title": "Wood Wins the Competition", "relevant_turns": [ 17, 27, 33, 37, 54, 301, 315 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "friendly , innovative , colour", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Manager" }, "summary": "The possibility to choose the remote control's design was innovative. Customers would be able to decide its colour and type of wood, what was new on the market. The remote was environmentally friendly, kid-friendly and dogs would not get hurt if using it for teething. The mahogany colour was preferred by the team.", "title": "Kid-Friendly Customizable Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 38, 41, 54, 102, 108, [ 131, 133 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "friendly , innovative , colour", "speaker": "User Interface , Industrial Manager" }, "summary": "it's environmentally friendly; material; and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather; very innovative idea; it's actually a very innovative different idea, you know you can choose your colour of wood, your type of wood; have to see how kid-friendly it is and all that; It's really good if your dog gets ahold of it, they can use it for teething.", "title": "An Innovative and Friendly Remote", "relevant_turns": [ 38, 41, 54, 102, 108, [ 131, 133 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface , Project manager" }, "summary": "The team was trying to find a way to cut down production's cost of the remote. User Interface came up with an idea to eliminate the display from the remote, considering such an item would be an expensive feature of the design and not the most cost-efficient. Industrial Designer asked about the price of a display considered for the remote. Marketing agreed, estimating its cost was crucial.", "title": "Cutting Down the Cost", "relevant_turns": [ 286, [ 290, 302 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "cost", "speaker": "Marketing , Industrial Designer , User Interface , Project manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager suggested the team might need to cut the cost down. User Interface said that if trying to keep costs down, then sacrificing the display was a way to go. It depended on how much putting a display costed. Putting a big display was probably expensive. Industrial Designer asked Ed if costs of adding a display were known. Marketing said costs had to be found out.", "title": "Going Cost-Efficient", "relevant_turns": [ 286, [ 290, 302 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Uh welcome back after lunch , I hope uh you had a good lunch together . For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the conceptual design meeting . Okay and the agenda will be the opening and uh {disfmarker} that's uh {disfmarker} the product manager or secretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed . And finally in this meeting we have to decide", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and we are to take a decision on the remote control concept and uh the functional design So we have forty minutes , I think it's uh little bit uh low , but I I hope we can finish it up {vocalsound} so I'll handle to the the functional team , to the Christine , okay , to discuss about uh the components concept .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . So uh , if you could open the PowerPoint presentation .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'm number two .", "Project Manager : You're number two . 'Kay", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Components design , there we go .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So uh can we put it in slide show mode ? Yeah .", "Project Manager : The next one .", "Industrial Designer : Right here , is that little {disfmarker} that one , yes please .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Thank you .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I'll take the mouse . {vocalsound} So uh", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : we were looking he specifically at the components uh {disfmarker} the following components , uh the case , the power supply , uh the means of communications with the television set . In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : you have to have microphone {disfmarker} well no you don't actually I haven't {disfmarker} have to have microphone in the device , but um maybe you do have it a a way {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : it has to it has to hear the speaker", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and um , so it could be in the television set , could be in the device , but somewhere you have to put the microphone , um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost . Um so the other w thing that we {disfmarker} So . Our method for going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record , what's worked , what hasn't and then we also um {disfmarker} we wanted to evaluate some new materials", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and we contacted manufacturing for their input because , course , we m might {vocalsound} come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us , so uh this is the approach that we took during our um {disfmarker} our research .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So um for the case , um we told we were making a specifica specific assumption that it would be curved in design .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Course , you know , I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable , but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh {disfmarker} we can really seriously explore ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} so then we were thinking about um rubber , but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uh factor", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and th um there might be some {vocalsound} problems with the m uh how it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh goes with the board . {vocalsound} Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle {disfmarker} it gets brittle after a while ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : so um we still had titanium and and wood available , but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out of titanium , although how {vocalsound} Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options except wood .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} At least it's environmentally friendly . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} So , {vocalsound} this is our finding .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And a as she said , it's an environmentally friendly uh material , so we're {disfmarker} we're {vocalsound} currently uh proposing ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {disfmarker} uh these simple chips , but that's only works for the bu you don't get very much um intelligence with this simple one . And um then there was the regular which {vocalsound} I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one . Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print , {vocalsound} and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : which w 'member the beam was {disfmarker} that was an important component of finding the right chip .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh be integrated into this advanced chip on print , so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should , you know , use some of uh some really exotic woods , like um ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : you know uh , well you guys come from tropical countries so you can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods . I think that people will might really want to design their own cases , you see , they could do sort of a {disfmarker} this um three-dimensional design on the internet , and then they could submit their orders , kinda like you submit a custom car order , you know , and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that , and then I uh think we should go with the solar cells as well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip . So this is the findings of our research", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and my recommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood . Do you have any problems with that ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Can you go back uh one slide ?", "Industrial Designer : I'm not sure , how do I {disfmarker} Oh , I know , let's see .", "User Interface : Thank you . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Let's go back up here .", "Project Manager : Yes , uh {gap} question , uh , what's mean exactly , advanced chip on print ? What's the meaning of that ?", "Industrial Designer : I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um {vocalsound} and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi next meeting .", "Project Manager : Yeah , is it means it's on the {disfmarker} yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} I don't know , but I'll find out more at our next meeting .", "Project Manager : Okay , tha that would be great , so if you find out from the technology background , okay , so that would be good .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Sounds good .", "User Interface : Why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material ?", "Industrial Designer : Because um it gets brittle , cracks {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um We want {disfmarker} we expect these um {vocalsound} uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years . So . {vocalsound} Good ex {vocalsound} {gap} Good expression . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Whic", "Marketing : Wow ,", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Which {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} good expression . Well after us . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I don't know , speak for yourself , I'm planning to be around for a while . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Although I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I think with wood though you'd run into the same types of problems , wouldn't you , I mean it chips , it if you drop it ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : uh it's {disfmarker} I'm not su {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : So {gap} so you're not convinced about the the wood , yes .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {gap} you're what ?", "Marketing : Actually , I'm ready to sell it .", "User Interface : I think {vocalsound} if you re if you use really good quality wood , then it might work ,", "Marketing : I'm ready to sell it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} You think ? {vocalsound} And you could {disfmarker} you could sell oils with it , to take care of it .", "User Interface : but you can't just use {disfmarker}", "Marketing : No y {vocalsound} no no no , the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard , extremely hard wood ,", "User Interface : Yeah , exactly , yeah .", "Marketing : but there are some very pretty woods out there {vocalsound} .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Well I'm glad you {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : That's actually very innovative idea .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay , good .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Well , it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood , your type of wood .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : The stain .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I mean it's {disfmarker} each person is gonna have their own personalised , individualised speech recognition remote control in wood , that's not on the market .", "Industrial Designer : Mm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , so it it's looks good the the design the functional design uh , what about yo you ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um , in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yes , in t yes , in term in terms of comments first {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} In turns of wow . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was already a little bit prepared for this {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : Y yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Luckily Ed was not . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Wood ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} I think we can get the quality materials then {vocalsound} it shouldn't influence the design principles too much , which you'll see with my presentation .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : One thing we'd have to check though is what the users {disfmarker} whether {disfmarker} how quickly the novelty wears off of having uh {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Yeah , you wouldn't wanna have to have splinters in your hand while you're using your {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {disfmarker} Yeah , for example . {vocalsound} So , have to see how kid-friendly it is and and all that ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} It's really good if your dog gets ahold of it , they can use it {vocalsound} {gap} for teething .", "User Interface : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : They do that anyway with the rubber and plastic ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , they do it with other materials as well , yeah .", "Marketing : so {vocalsound} , and chew 'em up . And chew 'em up .", "Project Manager : Okay then , uh , let's move to Agnes .", "Project Manager : so we can have a tie-up with who the do the fabric , okay , for the different uh electronics items , then we can have a business tie-up and to get {disfmarker} to cut the cost , okay , to sell more . So , but uh le let's decide first about the components concept and uh interface concept , okay , if is acceptable for both of you , what uh Ed was talking . And your design {vocalsound} whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple , so", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} I think it depends , I mean I think it's a good idea , but we need to really think about how useful it's gonna be because theoretically with the T_V_ you already have a big display {vocalsound} right in front of you .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : So , if we're trying to keep costs down , then maybe sacrificing the display is a way to go .", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : I mean it depends on how much putting a display costs and what it would be used for {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Hmm .", "User Interface : very specifically what it would be used for ,", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : 'cause if it's only used for one little thing , then putting in a big display case or a big display that's probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever , may not be the most cost-efficient way to go ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : but that's just sort of speculation , I mean .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} What do you think Ed ? Do you {disfmarker} he liked the display in one of the concepts that you showed , um , do you know how much it costs , um , to to add a little display like this uh ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} No . No", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Do you wanna take an action item to go find out ?", "Marketing : {gap} no p spec {vocalsound} It's 'cause we have to find out cost on it .", "Industrial Designer : Okay . {vocalsound} Sorry about that .", "Marketing : Um , no that's no problem . I'm here for the {vocalsound} pushing it after it's made . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Marketing : I will market it . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Once we get a price on it then we can market it .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So the {vocalsound} the advanced chip on print is what um what we've {vocalsound} we've deci we've determined", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : and the uh engineering industrial design is the recommendation , and um I think we've kinda come to some agreement regarding um this concept of a wooden case .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : A customisable and {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : What about the buttons , would {disfmarker} Would the buttons be wood too , or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Uh I don't think so , no ,", "Project Manager : I don't think so .", "Industrial Designer : I think they could be rubber like they are now ,", "Project Manager : Yes . 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Further suggesting that it would be better to have different meetings by the same group of people in order to ease the summarization process.", "title": "Plans for Summarization of Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "summarization , different", "speaker": "PhD F" }, "summary": "PhD F described his plans for a summarization project that would involve trying to find cues in both the utterances and in the utterance patterns, like in numbers of overlaps and amount of speech, any raw cues from the interaction, measurable from the signals and from the different microphones that point to sort of hot spots in the meeting that might be important for someone who didn't attend to listen to. This would require getting data from different domains and different kinds of meetings. Further suggesting that it would be better to have different meetings by the same group of people in order to ease the summarization process.", "title": "Plans for Summarization of Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "different , people , fair amount", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D expressed a preference for having lots of different people, having a fair amount of random, scattered meetings for other types of research instead of having few even though acoustically, it would be sufficient to get close and distant microphones from different people.", "title": "The Need for Many People", "relevant_turns": [ [ 52, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "different , people , fair amount", "speaker": "Professor D" }, "summary": "Professor D; particularly the acoustic-oriented research; actually feel the opposite need; to have lots of different people; As many people here and talking; too few people from my point of view; have many different speakers; to have a fair amount of really random scattered meetings; get one or two from each group; useful acoustically just because; have close and distant microphones with different people.", "title": "The Need for Many People", "relevant_turns": [ [ 52, 60 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "language models", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Postdoc E suggested having a language model, noting that there was a possibility of having people who used English as an interlanguage but whose language proficiency did not match any existing language model.", "title": "Basic language model", "relevant_turns": [ [ 109, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "language models", "speaker": "Postdoc E" }, "summary": "Professor D said if you had people who used English as an interlanguage because they lacked the ability to speak in their native languages but their interlanguage did not really match any existing language model. Postdoc E replied that we had to think at a higher-level view, could we have a language model, a grammar, basically, that would be a possibility. If you wanted to bring in a model like Dan Jurafsky 's model, and did some top-down stuff, to help the bottom-up and merge the things or whatever, it seemed like there was not an argument.", "title": "Basic language model", "relevant_turns": [ [ 109, 127 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting , english", "speaker": "Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B suggested that the advertisement for the meeting should only specify English as the meeting language, saying for pre-existing meetings, the level of language skills should not be a problem.", "title": "Specific Meeting Language", "relevant_turns": [ 102 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "meeting , english", "speaker": "Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B suggested that the advertisement for the meeting should only specify English as the meeting language stating that if it was a pre-existing meeting held in English it should be okay if a few people have deficient language competence.", "title": "Specific Meeting Language", "relevant_turns": [ 102 ] } ], "source": [ "Grad B : OK ,", "PhD F : That 's looks strange .", "Grad B : now we 're on and it seems to be working .", "Postdoc E : Oh there we go .", "PhD C : One two three four five six", "PhD A : That is weird .", "Postdoc E : This looks good .", "PhD A : It 's like when it 's been sitting for a long time or something .", "Grad B : So , I mean {disfmarker} I don't know what it is . But all {disfmarker} all I know is that it seems like every time I am up here after a meeting , and I start it , it works fine . And if I 'm up here and I start it and we 're all sitting here waiting to have a meeting , it gives me that error message and I have not yet sat down with {disfmarker} been able to get that error message in a point where I can sit down and find out where it 's occurring in the code .", "PhD A : Next time you get it maybe we should write it down .", "Grad B : Yep , we will . One of these days .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Was it a pause , or {disfmarker} ? OK . Was it on \" pause \" or something ?", "Grad B : No .", "Postdoc E : OK . Don't know .", "Professor D : So uh {disfmarker} so the uh , the new procedural change that just got suggested , which I think is a good idea is that um , we do the digit recordings at the end . And that way , if we 're recording somebody else 's uh meeting , and a number of the participants have to run off to some other meeting and don't have the time , uh , then they can run off . It 'll mean we 'll get somewhat fewer uh , sets of digits , but um , I think that way we 'll cut into people 's time , um , if someone 's on strict time uh , less . So , I th I think {disfmarker} I think we should start doing that . Um , so , uh , let 's see , we were having a discussion the other day , maybe we should bring that up , about uh , the nature of the data that we are collecting . uh @ @ that uh , we should have a fair amount of data that is um , collected for the same meeting , so that we can , uh {disfmarker} I don't know . Wh - what {disfmarker} what were some of the points again about that ? Is it {disfmarker}", "PhD F : Uh , well , OK , I 'll back up .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD F : Um , at the previous {disfmarker} at last week 's meeting , this meeting I was griping {vocalsound} about wanting to get more data and I {disfmarker} I talked about this with Jane and Adam , um , and was thinking of this mostly just so that we could do research on this data um , since we 'll have a new {disfmarker} this new student di does wanna work with us ,", "PhD A : Well , great .", "PhD F : th the guy that was at the last meeting .", "PhD A : Great .", "PhD F : And he 's already funded part - time , so we 'll only be paying him for sort of for half of the normal part - time ,", "PhD A : What a deal .", "PhD F : uh {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Grad B : And what 's he interested in , specifically ?", "PhD F : So he 's {disfmarker} comes from a signal - processing background , but I liked him a lot cuz he 's very interested in higher level things , like language , and disfluencies and all kinds of eb maybe prosody ,", "Grad B : Mm - hmm . Great .", "PhD F : so he 's just getting his feet wet in that . Anyway , I thought OK , maybe we should have enough data so that if he starts {disfmarker} he 'd be starting in January , next semester that we 'd have , you know , enough data to work with .", "Grad B : Right .", "PhD F : But , um , Jane and Adam brought up a lot of good points that just posting a note to Berkeley people to have them come down here has some problems in that you m you need to make sure that the speakers are who you want and that the meeting type is what you want , and so forth . So , I thought about that and I think it 's still possible , um , but I 'd rather try to get more regular meetings of types that we know about , and hear , then sort of a mish - mosh of a bunch of one {disfmarker} one - time {disfmarker}", "Grad B : One offs ?", "PhD F : Yeah , just because it would be very hard to process the data in all senses , both to get the , um {disfmarker} to figure out what type of meeting it is and to do any kind of higher level work on it , like well , I was talking to Morgan about things like summarization , or what 's this meeting about . I mean it 's very different if you have a group that 's just giving a report on what they did that week , versus coming to a decision and so forth . So . Then I was um , talking to Morgan about some {pause} new proposed work in this area , sort of a separate issue from what the student would be working on where I was thinking of doing some kind of summarization of meetings or trying to find cues in both the utterances and in the utterance patterns , like in numbers of overlaps and amount of speech , sort of raw cues from the interaction that can be measured from the signals and from the diff different microphones that point to sort of hot spots in the meeting , or things where stuff is going on that might be important for someone who didn't attend to {pause} listen to . And in that uh , regard , I thought we definitely w will need {disfmarker} it 'd b it 'd be nice for us to have a bunch of data from a few different domains , or a few different kinds of meetings . So this {disfmarker} this meeting is one of them , although I 'm not sure I can participate if I {disfmarker} You know , I would feel very strange being part of a meeting that you were then analysing later for things like summarization .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Um , and then there are some others that menti that Morgan mentioned , like the front - end meeting {pause} and maybe a networking {pause} group meeting .", "Grad B : Right . Yep . Yeah , we 're {disfmarker} we 're hoping that they 'll let us start recording regularly .", "PhD F : So {disfmarker} So if that were the case then I think we 'd have enough .", "Grad B : So . Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : But basically , for anything where you 're trying to get a summarization of some kind of meeting {disfmarker} {comment} {pause} meaning out of the meeting , um , it would be too hard to have fifty different kinds of meetings where we didn't really have a good grasp on what does it mean to summarize ,", "Grad B : Yeah .", "PhD F : but {disfmarker} rather we should have different meetings by the same group but hopefully that have different summaries . And then we need a couple that {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} {pause} We don't wanna just have one group because that might be specific to that particular group , but @ @ three or four different kinds .", "Grad B : Yeah , we have a lot of overlap between this meeting and the morning meeting .", "Professor D : S So {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD F : See , I 've never listened to the data for the front - end {pause} meeting .", "Grad B : Yeah , we {disfmarker} we 've only had three .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad B : So .", "PhD F : OK . But maybe that 's enough . So , in general , I was thinking more data but also data where we hold some parameters constant or fairly similar ,", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : like a meeting about of people doing a certain kind of work where at least half the participants each time are the same .", "Grad B : Um {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Now , let {disfmarker} l l let me just give you the other side to that cuz I ca because I {disfmarker} I don't disagree with that , but I think there is a complimentary piece to it too . Uh , for other kinds of research , particularly the acoustic oriented research , I actually feel the opposite need . I 'd like to have lots of different people .", "PhD F : Right . Right .", "Professor D : As many people here a a and talking about the kind of thing that you were just talking about it would have uh too few people from my point of view . I 'd like to have many different speakers . So , um I think I would also very much like us to have a fair amount of really random scattered meetings , of somebody coming down from campus , and {disfmarker} and uh ,", "PhD C : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : I mean , sure , if we can get more from them , fine ,", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Right .", "Professor D : but if we only get one or two from each group , that still could be useful acoustically just because we 'd have close and distant microphones with different people .", "PhD F : Yeah , I definitely agree with that .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Mm - hmm .", "PhD F : Definitely .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Can I {disfmarker} can I say about that {disfmarker} that the {disfmarker} the issues that I think Adam and I raised were more a matter of advertising so that you get more native speakers . Because I think if you just say {disfmarker} an And in particular , my suggestion was to advertise to linguistics grad students because there you 'd have so people who 'd have proficiency enough in English that {disfmarker} that uh , it would be useful for {disfmarker} for purposes {disfmarker} You know .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc E : But you know , I think I 've been {disfmarker} I 've I {disfmarker} I 've gathered data from undergrads at {disfmarker} on campus and if you just post randomly to undergrads I think you 'd get such a mixed bag that it would be hard to know how much conversation you 'd have at all . And {disfmarker} and the English you 'd have {disfmarker} The language models would be really hard to build", "Professor D : Well , you want to i", "Postdoc E : because it would not really be {disfmarker} it would be an interlanguage rather than {pause} than a {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Well , OK , uh , first place , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't think we 'd just want to have random people come down and talk to one another , I think there should be a meeting that has some goal and point cuz I {disfmarker} I think that 's what we 're investigating ,", "Postdoc E : OK .", "PhD F : It has to be a {disfmarker} a pre - existing meeting , {pause} like a meeting that would otherwise happen anyway .", "Professor D : so", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : Yeah , yeah .", "Postdoc E : OK .", "Grad B : Yep .", "Professor D : So I was {disfmarker} I was thinking more in terms of talking to professors uh , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and uh , senior uh , uh , d and uh , doctoral students who are leading projects and offering to them that they have their {disfmarker} hold their meeting down here .", "PhD F : That 's I think what we {disfmarker} and I agree with .", "Postdoc E : Oh , interesting !", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Oh , I see . Oh , interesting !", "Professor D : Uh , that 's the first point . The second point is um I think that for some time now , going back through BeRP I think that we have had speakers that we 've worked with who had non - native accents and I th I think that {disfmarker}", "Postdoc E : Oh , oh . I 'm not saying accents . u The accent 's not the problem .", "Professor D : Oh , OK .", "Postdoc E : No , it 's more a matter of uh , proficiency , e e just simply fluency .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : I mean , I deal with people on {disfmarker} on campus who {disfmarker} I think sometimes people , undergraduates um in computer science uh , have language skills that make , you know {disfmarker} that their {disfmarker} their fluency and writing skills are not so strong .", "Professor D : Oh ! You 're not talking about foreign language at all .", "Grad B : Yeah . Yeah , just talking about .", "Professor D : You 're just talking about {disfmarker}", "Postdoc E : Well , e I just think ,", "Grad B : We all had the same thought .", "Postdoc E : but you know , it 's like when you get into the graduate level , uh , no problem . I mean , I 'm not saying accents .", "PhD C : Uh - huh .", "Professor D : Yeah , then we 're completely gone .", "Postdoc E : I 'm say I 'm saying fluency .", "Grad B : Mm - hmm .", "Professor D : It 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The {disfmarker} the habits are already burnt in .", "Postdoc E : Well , yeah . I 'm just saying fluency .", "Professor D : But {disfmarker}", "Grad B : Well , I think that , um {disfmarker} I think that the only thing we should say in the advertisement is that the meeting should be held in English . And {disfmarker} and I think if it 's a pre - existing meeting and it 's held in English , {comment} I {disfmarker} I think it 's probably OK if a few of the people don't have uh , g particularly good English skills .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : OK , now can I {disfmarker} can I say the other aspect of this from my perspective which is that um , there 's {disfmarker} there 's this {disfmarker} this issue , you have a corpus out there , it should be used for {disfmarker} for multiple things cuz it 's so expensive to put together .", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : Right .", "Postdoc E : And if people want to approach {disfmarker} Um , i so I know {pause} e e {pause} You know this {disfmarker} The idea of computational linguistics and probabilistic grammars and all may not be the focus of this group ,", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "Postdoc E : but the idea of language models , which are fund you know generally speaking uh , you know , t t terms of like the amount of benefit per dollar spent or an hour invested in preparing the data ,", "Professor D : Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc E : if you have a choice between people who are pr more proficient in {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} um , i more fluent , more {disfmarker} more close to being academic English , then it would seem to me to be a good thing .", "Professor D : I guess {disfmarker} I maybe {disfmarker} Hmm . I", "Postdoc E : Because otherwise y you don't have the ability to have {disfmarker} Uh , so if {disfmarker} if you have a bunch of idiolects that 's the worst possible case . If you have people who are using English as a {disfmarker} as an interlanguage because they {disfmarker} they don't {disfmarker} uh , they can't speak in their native languages and {disfmarker} but their interlanguage isn't really a match to any existing , uh , language model ,", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "Postdoc E : this is the worst case scenario .", "PhD C : Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor D : Well , that 's pretty much what you 're going to have in the networking group .", "Postdoc E : And {disfmarker}", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : because {disfmarker} because they {disfmarker} most {disfmarker} the network group is almost entirely Germans and Spaniards .", "Postdoc E : Well Oh . But the thing is , I think that these people are of high enough level in their {disfmarker} in their language proficiency that {disfmarker}", "Professor D : I see .", "Postdoc E : And I 'm not objecting to accents .", "Professor D : OK .", "Postdoc E : I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm just thinking that we have to think at a {disfmarker} at a higher level view , could we have a language model , a {disfmarker} a grammar {disfmarker} a grammar , basically , that um , wo would be a {disfmarker} a possibility .", "Professor D : Uh - huh .", "Postdoc E : So y so if you wanted to bring in a model like Dan Jurafsky 's model , an and do some top - down stuff , it {disfmarker} to help th the bottom - up and merge the things or whatever , uh , it seems like um , I don't see that there 's an argument {disfmarker}", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc E : I 'm {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} what I think is that why not have the corpus , since it 's so expensive to put together , uh , useful for the widest range of {disfmarker} of central corp things that people generally use corpora for and which are , you know , used in computational linguistics .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "Postdoc E : That 's {disfmarker} that 's my point . Which {disfmarker} which includes both top - down and bottom - up .", "PhD C : It 's difficult .", "Professor D : OK .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : OK , well , i i let 's {disfmarker} let 's see what we can get . I mean , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} I think that if we 're aiming at {disfmarker} at uh , groups of graduate students and professors and so forth who are talking about things together , and it 's from the Berkeley campus , probably most of it will be OK ,", "Postdoc E : Yes , that 's fine . That 's fine . Exactly . And my point in m in my note to Liz was I think that undergrads are an iff iffy population .", "Professor D : but {disfmarker} OK . OK .", "PhD F : I definitely agree with that , I mean , for this purpose .", "Professor D : OK .", "Grad B : Well , not to mention the fact that I would be hesitant certainly to take anyone under eighteen , probably even an anyone under twenty - one .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Grads and professors , fine .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad B : So .", "Professor D : Oh , you age - ist !", "Grad B : What 's that ? Well , age - ist . {comment} The \" eighteen \" is because of the consent form .", "Postdoc E : Age - ist .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "PhD F : Right , Yeah .", "Grad B : We 'd hafta get {disfmarker} find their parent to sign for them .", "PhD C : \" Age - ist \" . Yeah . Yeah .", "Professor D : Yes .", "Postdoc E : Yeah , that 's true .", "Grad B : So ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 55, "turns": [ 343, 390 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they needed to know what were the user requirements before designing the functionalities. If they needed internet they would be able to propose something with TV over IP. Marketing said that ninety-nine percent of the time, people would be using the main functions so they needed fancy things, and the main control needed to be easy to use. Project Manager said it was a twenty-five Euro unit so they should leave the fancy stuff out and have user-friendly with good functionality remote control.", "title": "Criteria of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control , features", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer said they needed to know the user requirements like the internet. Marketing said the main controls needed to be easy to use. Project Manager said they needed a good functioning and user friendly remote control.", "title": "Criteria of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 11, 45 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , features", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said they were looking for television things or IP for example personal video recorder coming up in remote controls so today they had Teletext, and tomorrow they might have more functions which might come through that and so suggested they needed some numbering buttons and some Teletext things.", "title": "User Interface Suggestions on Remote Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 7 ], [ 20, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control , features , prioritizing", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said that they needed some numbering buttons and some Teletext things and tomorrow they might have more functions coming through.", "title": "User Interface Suggestions on Remote Control Features", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 7 ], [ 20, 28 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Today we have uh um teletext and all those things . Tomorrow you might have a some more functions which might come through that , so {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yes .", "Industrial Designer : Like what ? Like internet on the on T_V_ ?", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Yeah I_P_O_ or . Now we are looking for television things or I_P_ . For example personal video recorder and all those stuffs are coming up .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm . But we can't really design for something that hasn't been invented yet .", "User Interface : Yeah . Ah it's {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} it's coming up , actually . The personal video recorder and all those things it is coming up .", "Project Manager : Mm , well uh I I think {disfmarker} Uh w y you two should {disfmarker} should , I think , think this over uh w espec what , what functionality .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Actually , yeah", "User Interface : Let's {disfmarker} Let's take {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : w {vocalsound} Of course , and first before um designing the func well thinking about the functionalities , we need to know what are the user requirements .", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Um then if they need internet , then we would be able to to p to propose something with uh uh T_V_ over I_P_ .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Yeah . Mm . Yeah . But {disfmarker} Ninety percent of the time , ninety nine percent of the time , people will be using the main functions , the volume , the different channels , so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use .", "Project Manager : Mm mm mm . Keep k keep in mind i it's a {disfmarker} it's a twenty five Euro unit , so uh uh the the very fancy stuff uh w we can leave that out , I think .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : So twenty five Euro you expect a quite , well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Oh in that case you can you always hook up with uh someone who is providing that and you know , {vocalsound} you {disfmarker} you sell their product as well as your product with them , you know . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm . So try and get T_V_ manufacturers to {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , but w w we want to design a new one . {vocalsound} Mm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} No , it's okay , yeah I understand . So we need some numbering buttons , some teletext things", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : and then um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : The {disfmarker} Yeah , the main is browsing . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yes , but but but ab about the spec the buttons , the buttons uh that will be on it . I I think we can discuss that in the in the next meeting .", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh I would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : So {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay , we are alread mm . Mm .", "Project Manager : So", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : you know now the basic {disfmarker} the basic things .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : well just {disfmarker} just for the next meeting , um", "User Interface : L", "Project Manager : well , uh , you wor yes , work on a design , keep it general , I mean {disfmarker} so w we will be still fle flexible with maybe adding some functions . So {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um you will be working on {disfmarker} on technical function design , so {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , sure .", "Project Manager : And uh you {disfmarker} and you and uh uh uh well , think about requirements ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : eh ? Does it need internet , or or do do we stay at basic basic television uh interface ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 16, "turns": [ 0, 200 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The project manager called for a meeting to discuss about the design of a new remote control which has to follow three steps of functional design, conceptual design with regards to the remote control available in the market and the detailed design.", "title": "Design of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 58, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The project manager said the design of new remote control has to have functional design, conceptual design and the detailed design.", "title": "Design of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 58, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control , specifications", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "The project manager said the remote control should have specifications of originality, trendy, user-friendly with functional design, conceptual design and the detailed design.", "title": "Specifications of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 58, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control , Specifications", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; Specifications of Remote control; Original, trendy, user-friendly and also; Functional design, conceptual design and detailed design.", "title": "Specifications of New Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 58, 63 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Favourite animal", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "The Project Manager asked the Marketing to draw a painting of favourite animal on the white board. Marketing suggested water but Project manager said it has to be an animal so Marketing drew an animal that lives in the water.", "title": "Animal Illustrations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 86, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing ; Favourite animal" }, "summary": "Project Manager; one of you to draw a painting if you want on the whiteboard; Marketing suggests there has to be water; Project Manager; No it has to be an animal, it should be a snake or something; Marketing; Yeah, but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water, I first uh draw the water and now I make the animal.", "title": "Animal Illustrations", "relevant_turns": [ [ 86, 118 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pen", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "The Project Manager guides the User Interface on how to hold the pen in order to draw on the Whiteboard. The User Interface holds the pen too far to the top and project Manager suggests to hold it more to the back.", "title": "Holding Pen on Whiteboard", "relevant_turns": [ [ 120, 131 ], [ 152, 160 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "pen", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager; Just make a new blank new blank page and not too far to the to the pen top; User Interface; let's make it a dog but Project Manager suggests maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back; User Interface says No It's just to get used to it.", "title": "Holding Pen on Whiteboard", "relevant_turns": [ [ 120, 131 ], [ 152, 160 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Two .", "Project Manager : Hello . Hello .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Good morning .", "Marketing : Hello . Ah .", "Project Manager : You have to put it exactly on the on the {disfmarker} yeah .", "Marketing : Plate ? {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "User Interface : Good morning .", "Industrial Designer : Good morning .", "Project Manager : I took your mouse .", "Industrial Designer : Should I bring my uh pen too ?", "Project Manager : Yeah just {disfmarker} yeah , no ,", "Industrial Designer : Or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : that's for me , I just have to make some notes . I got my uh mouse .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : Uh I also forgot my mouse ,", "User Interface : Mouse .", "Project Manager : {gap} {vocalsound} yeah .", "Marketing : but I don't need my mouse , I think .", "Industrial Designer : I do .", "User Interface : Come on . There we are .", "Industrial Designer : My laptop is crashing .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : Damn computers . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Cr", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Help help help .", "User Interface : Let's just check one more time . Mm .", "Marketing : Can you hear me ? Hello ?", "Project Manager : Uh actually my laptop doesn't work ,", "Marketing : Test .", "Project Manager : {gap} switch it on again .", "Marketing : I dunno .", "Project Manager : Oh no .", "Marketing : Check . Okay . I think it works .", "Industrial Designer : Test test . Yes , it's working .", "Project Manager : So you all read what we are going to do or not ?", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : We're gonna make a remote control .", "Project Manager : Yeah , that's right .", "Industrial Designer : I think my laptop is a bit", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : etchy .", "Project Manager : I just made a a simple uh presentation . So you {gap} put some things in it .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay . How does this work ? I dunno . {gap}", "User Interface : One uh {disfmarker} most to the right .", "Industrial Designer : Uh p", "User Interface : Yes that one .", "Project Manager : This one ?", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Press F_ eleven .", "Project Manager : Ah cool . Okay . So", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : that's my name , {gap} . Uh we're going to make uh a remote control , you already know that . Just have a look , are we going to {disfmarker} uh this agenda of our meeting . You know , this is about twenty five minutes , this meeting . So um the {gap} thing we have to know is you already know what we're going to do , you also read what this the things {disfmarker} or , not yet ,", "User Interface : Yes .", "Project Manager : okay . So um , yeah , it has to be original , trendy , user-friendly {gap} that's what we're going to design . Uh first we have uh uh three steps of uh making the the remote control . Fir the first thing is th the functional design , that's very important . We have to look what the needs are , the effects of the functional design , and and how the mm the the remote control works , so that's where we're going to look in the functional design , it's for the f next meeting . The the second thing is the conceptual design , that's what it {disfmarker} that's uh the spe the specifications of the components and the properties and the specifications of the user interface . And we have to look what uh the market is doing for {disfmarker} what kind of uh remote controls are in the market . And the third thing is uh the detailed design um and that's exa yeah , you know what it is , it's exactly how it looks and whatever . {vocalsound} Okay so {disfmarker} uh no , this is a {disfmarker} these are two smartboards , with the uh f uh s an introduction of that one . And you already saw {disfmarker} you know all that that you here can put uh things in the the red project uh map .", "Marketing : Folder ,", "Project Manager : Folder , okay .", "Marketing : yes .", "Project Manager : So no okay {gap} have a look at that one . Okay . So uh what we're going to do first is um so you can read . {vocalsound} You have to uh draw uh a favourite animal on the whiteboard", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : and um and say why it's your favourite animal . So and you have {disfmarker} this is just to try it out and we have to uh use a different pen colours and different thickness of the pen . So okay , so first have to show you , maybe you can come here to have a look how it works . Yes ?", "Marketing : Ah I can see it now .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : This a new page , it's okay . Use pen format . and a different colour can use here {gap} no I just take the pink . You take {disfmarker} oh there's no pink , okay , oh just purple , okay .", "User Interface : Purple .", "Project Manager : No blue . And uh line width {vocalsound} ten . Okay uh just take {disfmarker} what I'm going to draw is an elephant . Just draw slowly , because otherwise it won't work . It's a very nice elephant , you can see . I dunno what it looks {disfmarker} but it doesn't matter . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Looks very nice .", "Project Manager : I just h", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Something like this ? Oh no {gap}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} It look like a dinosaurs . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah , okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} A pink elephant .", "Project Manager : Because I like {disfmarker} uh okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Just takes so long , okay . Whatever , just . You erased this one . It's a bit slow you can see , this is a bit annoying .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay , so just for you guys just one of you can draw a painting if you want . Just don't", "Marketing : Let me try one .", "Project Manager : um {disfmarker} yeah , just u use it like that , yeah . That's okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : {gap}", "Marketing : Mm . Okay and then uh what's the colour ? How do I do {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : It's in format . Yeah .", "Marketing : Ah . I'll take this one . Uh there has to be water ,", "Project Manager : Just {disfmarker}", "Marketing : but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : No it has to be an animal , so if that's it's {disfmarker} it should be a shna snake or something .", "Marketing : Yeah yeah , but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay okay . Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} The water is important . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Okay .", "Marketing : So I first uh draw the water .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh . Okay , and now I make the animal . It's a fish .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Wow .", "Project Manager : cool .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . So . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : This is a worm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Hmm yeah , that's nice .", "Marketing : {gap}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Wow .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Okay , who next ? Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Uh do you have to write down why {disfmarker} uh that doesn't matter , just {disfmarker} it's to get used to the whiteboard , but it's okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : Just make a new blank new blank page .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Well Paul ? {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah . Like this ?", "Project Manager : Yeah , not too far to the to the t pen top .", "User Interface : Okay . Um", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : let's make it um a dog . Ooh .", "Project Manager : Maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back , so that {disfmarker} no , to the {disfmarker} yeah .", "User Interface : {gap} Ah okay .", "Marketing : I think it's a pig .", "User Interface : A pig ?", "Project Manager : No , it's a dog . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : I can make {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Or a dog .", "User Interface : a dog .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {gap} Um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : A sheep ? {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Uh we d only have twenty five minutes , so {gap} . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Take it easy .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : 'Kay , I make a cat of it .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I I was gonna make a cat too .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Use your fantasy . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Oh , not too quick .", "Project Manager : Just hold it more more to the back then you don't have {gap}", "User Interface : No", "Project Manager : okay .", "User Interface : I have it . I just draw too quick I think . Okay , that's it . More .", "Project Manager : No , that's okay , thank you . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's just to get used to it .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : I thought these pens would be just um {disfmarker} uh you write it down and you download it to Word , you already did it or no ? No , not yet , okay .", "Marketing : No .", "User Interface : Yeah , that's right ,", "Project Manager : But it's just {disfmarker}", "User Interface : it {disfmarker} but you actually got to write on the paper .", "Project Manager : Sorry ?", "User Interface : You really got to write on that paper .", "Project Manager : Yeah , I know , but I d I I thought it would be just in in in uh typed words in Word ,", "Marketing : Yeah yeah , it's a real pen .", "Project Manager : so that's not", "User Interface : Yeah , but it's just a picture .", "Project Manager : just {disfmarker} it's just a picture . So {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Oh .", "Project Manager : it's not that cool as I th thought it would be .", "User Interface : You really {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Y you can you can't edit in the {disfmarker} edit it in Word .", "Project Manager : No .", "User Interface : No .", "Marketing : Oh , okay .", "User Interface : It's a donkey .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : I don't know , what time did we start this meeting , I'm not sure .", "User Interface : Uh I think it was uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Half past .", "Marketing : Half past ten .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Brilliant .", "Project Manager : Okay , perfect .", "Industrial Designer : Nice , eh ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yep .", "Project Manager : Yeah , thank you . Now we just have to save everything , so . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Oh", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : this is definitely the best one .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 5, "turns": [ 364, 428 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that they collectively needed to rate it, so they tried a consensus system for an agreement, one was high and seven is low. Marketing asked about stylish look and feel, and Project Manager said that compared to most remote controls it was pretty good, like a six or something.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing Discussion About the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing; rate; one; high; seven is low; collectively rate; consensus system; agreement; stylish look and feel; Project Manager; compared; most remote control; good; six or something; anybody else think; Marketing; reservation; yellow; company color; Project Manager; five or six; Marketing; five.", "title": "Project Manager and Marketing discussion about the remote control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 34, 55 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "powerpoint , power", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that it needs to plug the PowerPoint, and it will go over their head if there's no problem. Industrial Designer said that it doesn't think that it needs the power. Marketing was asking if it doesn't need the PowerPoint, and Industrial Designer said that no, the power cord itself, Marketing said of course, and Industrial Designer said that it would have a bit more freedom, and Marketing agreed.", "title": "Marketing and Industrial Designer Discussion About Powerpoint and the Power", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 32 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "powerpoint , power", "speaker": "Industrial Designer , Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing said that it would plug into PowerPoint, quickly as possible, said there was not a problem if it went over their head, and it didn't need power. Marketing asked if it didn't need PowerPoint, but it didn't need the power cord. Industrial Designer said to get more freedom. Marketing agreed, so it got that a bit more set-up for it.", "title": "Marketing and Industrial Designer Discussion About Powerpoint and the Power", "relevant_turns": [ [ 9, 31 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Do you want me to d um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Do you want me to do my um design evaluation last ?", "Industrial Designer : Maybe we should do the design evaluation first .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Yeah I wasn't really sure what that was {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah", "Marketing : Evaluation .", "Project Manager : , yeah go for that first . I wasn't entirely sure what uh {disfmarker} who was supposed to be doing that ,", "Marketing : Okay .", "Project Manager : but y you go for it .", "Marketing : Sure . Um , alright so the way this works , I'm gonna need to plug into PowerPoint ,", "Project Manager : {gap} Okay .", "Marketing : I'll try and do it as quick as possible .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Um , this is um {disfmarker} I'll just go over your head if that's okay .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : I don't think you need the power ,", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Marketing : What's that ?", "Industrial Designer : No , that's okay that's okay .", "Marketing : I don't need the PowerPoint ?", "Industrial Designer : No , the power cord itself .", "Marketing : Oh {gap} course ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , so then you have a bit more freedom to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : yeah that's true . Let me get that . A bit more .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Okay ,", "Industrial Designer : You you still have your blue fingers .", "Marketing : so what this is is a set-up for us to um uh use a kind of a like a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Is it ?", "Industrial Designer : You killed a monster .", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : The idea is that I've set up {disfmarker} I've reviewed all of the um the points of discussion from the beginning , and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the um uh for the current design uh th or the plan , and uh so we can review that . Uh I think it's gonna end up being sort of elementary because we're sort we're in n we're not gonna probably use it to change anything but {disfmarker} Doesn't seem like it's going , does it ?", "Project Manager : Oh there it is .", "Marketing : Yeah , okay great . Uh and I'm gonna write up our results on the board , so this'll be a way for us to go through and decide if we're um {disfmarker} sort of review where we stand with it . Okay , so um {disfmarker} So to sort of b bring together two things , sort of design goals and also the market research that we had , uh when we rate this , one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and seven is low ,", "Project Manager : Mm 'kay .", "Marketing : okay . So these i these i th are the {disfmarker} and um we've been asked to uh to collectively rate this , so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so we just come to an agreement .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay ? So the first one uh , stylish look and feel .", "Industrial Designer : I rate that pretty highly .", "Project Manager : Well yeah , I mean compared to most remote controls you see that's pretty good .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I dunno like a six or something .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : What does anybody else think ?", "Marketing : Yeah um me uh my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it's the company's colour ,", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : and I don't know if yellow's gonna really be a hit .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "Marketing : But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : I'm seeing five then .", "Marketing : What do you guys think ?", "Project Manager : I would say five or six .", "Marketing : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yep I'm fine with that .", "Project Manager : David ?", "Marketing : Okay let's go with five then .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : Fi oh uh just actually the opposite .", "Industrial Designer : It's one to seven , right ?", "Project Manager : Oh yes", "Marketing : The {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : sorry then" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 17, "turns": [ 369, 468 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "updates , meeting disk storage", "speaker": "Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B was doing a lot of archiving because there was enough space to record meetings, this was being archived in Abbot and then was going to be deleted. This was taking a long time because two copies were being generated, one offsite, and another onsite.", "title": "Updates of Disk Storage for Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 16 ], [ 31, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "updates , meeting disk storage", "speaker": "Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B mentioned that had enough space to record meetings, so was doing a lot of archiving. Also said that since there was a lot of data, this was being archived in Abbot and then was going to be deleted. This was taking a long time since a clone was being generated, that was, two copies, one offsite, and another onsite.", "title": "Updates of Disk Storage for Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 1, 16 ], [ 31, 41 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "other ways , get more space", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "It was mentioned that there was space on the disk where the Meeting Recorder was because someone deleted something, and that was enough for about four meetings, plus what had been freed up with Broadcast News, there were five or six more meetings, so, there were a couple of weeks to record meetings until getting the new disk.", "title": "Space to Record Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 70, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "other ways , get more space", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad B mentioned that there was space on the disk where the Meeting Recorder was, and that was enough for about four meetings, plus what had been freed up with Broadcast News, there were five or six more meetings, so, there was enough space to record meetings.", "title": "Space to Record Meetings", "relevant_turns": [ [ 70, 83 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rack , disks , prices", "speaker": "Grad B" }, "summary": "Grad B said that the SUN took more disks than the Andatico, fifty percent more. The thing was, they used to buy all the racks and disks from Andatico for years, but Andatico got bought by another company and doubled their prices. And so they began to look for other vendors.", "title": "Racks and Disks Prices", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "rack , disks , prices", "speaker": "Grad B" }, "summary": "More disks than Andatico, fifty percent more, bought all our racks, disks from Andatico, got bought by another company, doubled their prices, looking into other vendors.", "title": "Racks and Disks Prices", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 62 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Aurora data , space , dynamic data , static data", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A was examining at the Aurora data and found three directories there that could be moved. One was called Aurora, one was Carmen's Spanish stuff, and the other one was SPINE. PhD A wrote to Dan because was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was being moved to a non-backed-up disk and realized that not all of that had to be moved, just the CD-ROM type data, the static data. So moved that, and then asked him to check and see if it was okay before he deleted the old stuff, but Dan didn't response. Then, with Carmen's stuff, realized that when copied all of her stuff into XA, had copied stuff that was dynamic data. So had to redo that and just copy the static data.", "title": "Space in Aurora Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 52 ], [ 66, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "Aurora data , space , dynamic data , static data", "speaker": "PhD A" }, "summary": "PhD A was looking at the Aurora data and found three directories on there that could be moved. One was called Aurora, one was Carmen's Spanish stuff, and the other one was SPINE. PhD A wrote to Dan because was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was being moved to a non-backed-up disk and realized that not all of that had to be moved, just the static data, so moved that. Then, with Carmen's stuff, realized that when copied all of her stuff into XA, had copied stuff that was dynamic data. So had to redo that and just copy the static data.", "title": "Space in Aurora Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 44, 52 ], [ 66, 69 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Professor D : So , uh {disfmarker} Let 's see . So that was that topic , and {vocalsound} then um , I guess another topic would be {vocalsound} where are we in the whole disk resources {pause} question for {disfmarker}", "Grad B : We are slowly slowly getting to the point where we have uh enough sp room to record meetings . So I uh did a bunch of archiving , and still doing a bunch of archiving , I {disfmarker} I 'm in the midst of doing the P - files from uh , {vocalsound} Broadcast News . and it took eleven hours {comment} {vocalsound} to do {disfmarker} to uh copy it .", "PhD C : Eleven ?", "Grad B : And it 'll take another eleven to do the clone .", "PhD A : Where did you copy it to ?", "Grad B : Well , it 's Abbott . It 's Abbott , so it just {disfmarker} But it 's {disfmarker} it 's a lot of data .", "Professor D : Sk - It 's copying from one place on Abbott to another place on Abbott ?", "Grad B : Tape .", "PhD C : Tape ?", "PhD A : Oh , on the tape .", "Professor D : Oh !", "Grad B : I did an archive .", "Professor D : I 'm sorry .", "PhD A : Ah !", "Grad B : So I 'm archiving it , and then I 'm gonna delete the files .", "PhD C : Oh .", "Grad B : So that will give us ten gigabytes of free space .", "PhD C : Eleven hours ?", "PhD A : Wow !", "PhD C : Oh .", "Postdoc E : Yeah , the archiving m {pause} program does take a long time .", "Grad B : And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad B : Yep . And so one That {disfmarker} that will be done , like , in about two hours . And so uh , {vocalsound} at that point we 'll be able to record five more meetings . So .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : One thing {disfmarker} The good news about that {disfmarker} that is that once {disfmarker} once it 's archived , it 's pretty quick to get back .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Professor D : Is it ?", "Postdoc E : I mean , it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} The other direction is fast , but this direction is really slow .", "Grad B : Right .", "Professor D : Hmm .", "Grad B : Well , especially because I 'm generating a clone , also .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Grad B : So . And that takes a while .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Yeah , OK .", "PhD A : Generating a clone ?", "Postdoc E : Yeah , that 's a good point .", "Grad B : Two copies .", "Postdoc E : Yeah .", "PhD A : Oh !", "Grad B : One offsite , one onsite .", "PhD A : Oh ! Hunh !", "Professor D : S", "Postdoc E : Now , what will uh {disfmarker} Is the plan to g {pause} to {disfmarker} So {pause} stuff will be saved , it 's just that you 're relocating it ? I mean , so we 're gonna get more disk space ? Or did I {disfmarker} ?", "Grad B : No , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} these are the P - files from Broadcast News , which are regeneratable {disfmarker} regeneratable", "Postdoc E : OK . Oh , good . I see .", "Grad B : um , if we really need to , but we had a lot of them . And {disfmarker} for the full , uh , hundred forty hour sets .", "Postdoc E : OK .", "Grad B : And so they {disfmarker} they were two gigabytes per file and we had six of them or something .", "PhD C : Yeah .", "Postdoc E : Wow . Wow .", "Professor D : W w we are getting more space . We are getting , uh , another disk rack and {disfmarker} and four thirty - six gigabyte disks . Uh {pause} so {pause} uh {pause} but that 's not gonna happen instantaneously .", "Postdoc E : Wonderful .", "Grad B : Or maybe six .", "Professor D : Or maybe six ?", "Grad B : The SUN , ha uh , takes more disks than the Andatico one did . The SUN rack takes {disfmarker} {comment} Th - One took four and one took six , or maybe it was eight and twelve . Whatever it was , it was , {pause} you know , fifty percent more .", "Professor D : How many {disfmarker} How much {disfmarker}", "PhD A : Is there a difference in price or something ?", "Grad B : Well , what happened is that we {disfmarker} we bought all our racks and disks from Andatico for years , according to Dave , and Andatico got bought by another company and doubled their prices .", "PhD A : Oh !", "PhD C : Oh .", "Grad B : And so , uh , we 're looking into other vendors . \" We \" {disfmarker} By \" we \" of course I mean Dave .", "Postdoc E : Wow .", "PhD A : Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : So .", "PhD A : Hmm . I 've been looking at the , uh , Aurora data and , um , first {disfmarker} first look at it , there were basically three directories on there that could be moved . One was called Aurora , one was Spanish , which was Carmen 's Spanish stuff , and the other one was , um , SPINE .", "Grad B : SPINE .", "PhD A : And so , um , I wrote to Dan and he was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was moving to a non - backed - up disk . So , um , I realized that well , probably not all of that should be moved , just {pause} the {pause} CD - ROM type data , the {disfmarker} {pause} the static data . So I moved that , and then um , I asked him to check out and see if it was OK . before I actually deleted the old stuff , um , but I haven't heard back yet . I told him he could delete it if he wanted to , I haven't checked {pause} today to see if he 's deleted it or not . And then Carmen 's stuff , I realized that when I had copied all of her stuff to XA , I had copied stuff there that was dynamic data . And so , I had to redo that one and just copy over the static data . And so I need to get with her now and delete the old stuff off the disk . And then I lo haven't done any of the Aurora stuff . I have to meet with , uh , Stephane to do that . So .", "Professor D : So , but , uh y you 're figuring you can record another five meetings or something with the space that you 're clearing up from the Broadcast News , but , we have some other disks , some of which you 're using for Aurora , but are we g do we have some other {disfmarker} other space now ?", "Grad B : Yep . So , so , uh , we have space on the current disk right now , where Meeting Recorder is , and that 's probably enough for about four meetings .", "Professor D : Yeah .", "PhD A : Is that the one that has {disfmarker} is that DC ?", "Professor D : Yeah .", "Grad B : So . Yep . No , no , well , it 's wherever the Meeting Recorder currently is . I think it 's DI .", "PhD A : OK , I {disfmarker} but the stuff I 'm moving from Aurora is on the DC disk that we {disfmarker}", "Grad B : I don't remember . Th - I think it 's DC - It 's whatever that one is .", "PhD A : OK , DC .", "Grad B : I just don't remember , it might be DC .", "PhD A : Yeah .", "Grad B : And that has enough for about four more meetings right now . Yeah , I mean we were at a hundred percent and then we dropped down to eighty - six for reasons I don't understand .", "Professor D : Mm - hmm .", "Grad B : Um , someone deleted something somewhere . And so we have some room again . And then with Broadcast News , that 's five or six more meetings , so , you know , we have a couple weeks . Uh , so , yeah , I think {disfmarker} I think we 're OK , until we get the new disk .", "PhD C : OK .", "PhD A : So should , um {disfmarker} One question I had for you was , um , we need {disfmarker} {pause} we sh probably should move the Aurora an and all that other stuff off of the Meeting Recorder disk . Is there another backed - up {pause} disk that you know of that would {disfmarker} ?", "Grad B : We should put it onto the Broadcast News one . That 's probably the best thing to do . And that way we consolidate Meeting Recorder onto one disk {pause} rather than spreading them out .", "PhD A : OK . Right . Right . Do you know what {disfmarker} happen to know what disk that is off {disfmarker} ? OK .", "Grad B : No . I mean , I can tell you , I just don't know off the top of my head .", "PhD A : Yeah . OK . Alright , I 'll find out from you .", "Grad B : But , so we could ' jus just do that at the end of today , once the archive is complete , and I 've verified it .", "PhD A : OK .", "Grad B : Cuz that 'll give us plenty of disk .", "Professor D : Uh , OK , @ @ {comment} So , uh , then I guess th the last thing I 'd had on my {disfmarker} my agenda was just to hear {disfmarker} hear an update on {vocalsound} what {disfmarker} what Jose has been doing ,", "PhD C : Uh - huh . OK .", "Professor D : so", "PhD C : I have , eh , {vocalsound} The result of my work during the last days .", "Professor D : OK .", "PhD C : Thank you for your information because I {disfmarker} I read . Eh , and the {disfmarker} the last , eh , days , eh , I work , eh , in my house , eh , in a lot of ways and thinking , reading eh , different things about the {disfmarker} the Meeting Recording project .", "Grad B : Yeah .", "Professor D : Uh - huh ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 71, "turns": [ 78, 93 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "more room , profit , care , seniors", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. Jagmeet Signh asked if the government would admit that there was no room for profit in the care of their seniors pointing out that in the for-profit model of care, there was more emphasis on the bottom line than on care for seniors and called for action on the things the armed forces had pointed out and specifically called for the removal of profit from the government-owned care corporation. In response, Hon. Chrystia Freeland appreciated the assessment on long-term home care stating that all options must be clear when considering care for seniors and a total reform was necessary noting that speedy action needed to be taken in careful collaboration with the provincial partners to improve the situation of long-term care for seniors. Hon. Chrystia Freeland specifically stated that Canadian Crown corporations were not Liberal, not Conservative, and not partisan and one of the strengths of Canada was that there were non-partisan government institutions, and they served extremely well.", "title": "Discussion About Profit in Care of the Seniors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 15 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "more room , profit , care , seniors", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Mr. Jagmeet Singh questioned the availability of room for profit in the care of their seniors noting that the government-owned Rivera, a profit-making corporation, was facing a 50million dollar lawsuit for negligence and called for the removal of the profit from the corporation. Hon. Chrystia Freeland responded by emphasizing the need for total reforms of long-term care in close collaboration with the provincial partners.", "title": "Discussion About Profit in Care of the Seniors", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 15 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Mr. Jagmeet Singh (Burnaby South, NDP) : Thank you, Mr.Chair. The Canadian Armed Forces report showed the relationship between equipment costs and the lack of care for our seniors. Will the government admit today that there is no room for profit in the care of our seniors?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr.Chair, that's a very important question, and I would like to thank the member for asking it. I think this is a historic week. All Canadians have seen what is happening in Ontario and Quebec. We", "The Chair : Order. We'll go back to Mr.Singh.", "Mr. Jagmeet Singh : Mr. Chair, experts and advocates have all pointed out that in the for-profit model of care for seniors, there is more emphasis on the bottom line than on care for seniors. Will the Liberal government admit that there is no place for profit when it comes to the care of our seniors?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, I want to start by saying one thing, and that is to publicly thank, in this House, Brigadier-General Conrad Mialkowski and his team for compiling the assessment that they did of long-term care homes in Ontario. They acted with courage. They acted with compassion. What they did is historic, and we all need to", "The Chair : We'll now go back to Mr. Singh.", "Mr. Jagmeet Singh : The Canadian Forces, of course, always deserve our thanks. However, they don't need our thanks right now; they need to see some action on what they have pointed out. The government owns Revera, the second-largest long-term care provider in Canada. It's for profit, and it's facing a $50-million lawsuit for negligence. What is the government doing to protect seniors in the long-term care homes that they own?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, I agree with the member opposite that after what we have learned this week, all options must be on the table when it comes to how care for our elders will be provided in Canada in the future. I think it is clear to us all that root-and-branch reform is necessary. We need to act with speed but not haste, and work with our provincial partners.", "Mr. Jagmeet Singh : If all the options are on the table, will the Liberal government commit to removing profit from long-term care, particularly in the Revera long-term care homes, the second-largest number in Canada, which the government owns? Will it commit to removing profit from long-term care?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : What we will commit to doand I hope with the support of all members of this Houseis work very carefully and also very urgently in close co-operation with our provincial partners, under whose jurisdiction this falls, to ensure that these heart-wrenching reports mean that as a country we turn the page", "The Chair : We'll go back to Mr. Singh.", "Mr. Jagmeet Singh : Mr. Chair, Revera is a Crown corporation owned by the government, so let's not hear excuses. Is the government doing anything to ensure that seniors are cared for? Is it providing for robust inspections, yes or no?", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, I want to clarify one point in the member's question. Canadian Crown corporations are not Liberal, not Conservative and not partisan. One of the strengths of Canada is that we have non-partisan government institutions, and they serve us extremely well. Our", "The Chair : We will now go to Mr. Singh.", "Mr. Jagmeet Singh : Mr. Chair, right now the current government is responsible for Revera. It is a Crown corporation. Will the government commit to ensuring there is no profit anymore in Revera? As we've seen, it is facing a $50-million lawsuit, and there's been horrible negligence.", "Hon. Chrystia Freeland : Mr. Chair, as I said at the outset, the ownership structure of long-term care facilities needs to be on the table. Everything does. I also want to emphasize how important it is for us to do what we have been doing, which is to work very closely with the provinces, under whose jurisdiction this falls. In just the past 24 hours, I have spoken with Premier Ford, Premier Horgan and Premier Moe, and our conversation included long-term care facilities." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 29, "turns": [ 61, 199 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "voice recognition , incorporation", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager wanted to hear what Marketing had to say about the incorporation of voice recognition. Project Manager had some worries.", "title": "Project Manager View on Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 36 ], 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "voice recognition , incorporation", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager wanted to hear what the Marketing expert said about the incorporation of voice recognition. Project Manager had a couple of worries, about the power required and the cost. Project Manager noted that voice recognition on computers required a lot of memory and usually required an advanced processor. Project Manager thought voice recognition was a good idea, but Industrial Designer probably would have said it was not feasible to implement.", "title": "Project Manager View on Voice Recognition", "relevant_turns": [ [ 32, 36 ], 40 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "joystick , button design , location function", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "When discussing button design and location function Project Manager said the joystick was additional and easier to use.", "title": "Project Manager about Joystick", "relevant_turns": [ [ 70, 76 ], 106 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "joystick , button design , location function", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "When discussing button design and location function, Project Manager said the joystick was additional. Project Manager suggested keeping the main buttons for changing volume and channels and giving the joystick another function. Project Manager stated that the joystick was for ease of manipulation of certain functions.", "title": "Project Manager about Joystick", "relevant_turns": [ [ 70, 76 ], 106 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "target market , button design , location function", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "When discussing button design and location function Marketing noted that they have not specified a target market, a niche.", "title": "Marketing about Target Audience", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "target market , button design , location function", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "When discussing button design and location function Marketing noted that before talking about the user interface they did not have a specific target market. Marketing asked what niche were they trying to market and corner.", "title": "Marketing about Target Audience", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 69 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "clapping , whistle , button attached", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked what would happen when the user lost the remote, then proposed a function where the user whistled and the remote would beep. Marketing suggested something similar, but instead of whistling was clapping. Project Manager then suggested having a button attached to the TV that when pressed would give the location.", "title": "Functionality When Losing the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 136 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "clapping , whistle , button attached", "speaker": "Project Manager , Marketing" }, "summary": "Project Manager asked about locating the remote control, then proposed a whistle function. Marketing suggested something similar, clapping. Project Manager then suggested having a button attached to the TV.", "title": "Functionality When Losing the Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 117, 136 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "technical functions , trends", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface ran through the technical functions on the remote. User interface looked at different remotes, and identified two main trends. The first one they had was the earliest model with many buttons that went according to the TV\u00b4s size. On the other hand, a user approach, where there was only what was most likely to be used.", "title": "User Interface's Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "technical functions , trends ; Extractiveess : Fully", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface, technical functions of the remote, the presentation, slightly obsolet; something, controlling multiple devices; basic design principles, could be improved on, to send commands to an appliance; two main trends in, the sort of design practice, on the one hand, earliest models, many buttons on it, giving, every possible function, most, not going to be used, user unfriendly interface; on the other hand, focused approach, pares things down to just what, most likely to get used, certain amount of sort of loss of function, relatively peripheral functions; fairly intuitive to use.", "title": "User Interface's Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 2 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "buttons , working design", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer was responsible for working on the design. Industrial Designer explained how the remote worked, and named the different functions and buttons presented on the remote.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 22 ], 29 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "button , working design", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer, responsible for working design, inside going, remote control; energy source, user interface, sender, push the button, chip, respond, digital signal, sent to the TV; many buttons, more components in there to supply the power? The design of the layout of the electronic design; energy source connected to the chip, switch turn it on, infrared bulb, contact the TV, whatever device or DVD player.", "title": "Industrial Designer's Presentation", "relevant_turns": [ [ 20, 22 ], 29 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "lcd , display", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager talked about an LCD screen on the remote. Project Manager thought of a display slightly larger than in a mobile phone.", "title": "LCD Screen on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 40, 45 ], [ 50, 53 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "lcd , display", "speaker": "Project Manager , Industrial Designer , User interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager wanted to talk about an LCD screen where users could read a fair amount of information, with menu. Industrial Designer asked if people would get messed up by looking at the display, to which User Interface diminished the problem by saying that it could take them just a few hours to figure out.", "title": "LCD Screen on Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 40, 45 ], [ 50, 53 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Okay , this is a {vocalsound} brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote . As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I {vocalsound} had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance , so", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : press on . I've looked at {vocalsound} looked at a num {vocalsound} uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles . Um and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on . {vocalsound} Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance , in this case the television set . Um to save you getting off your backside . Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice . On the one hand {disfmarker} and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set . Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has , the remote control controls . And most of these functions are not going to be used , it creates a rather user unfriendly interface . And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what {vocalsound} what is most likely to get used . Um {vocalsound} With uh {disfmarker} a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously , but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions . And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use , and um well f the for the most part for T_V_ remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume . Um and if you {vocalsound} if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D_V_ {vocalsound} D_V_D_ or uh {vocalsound} V_C_R_ presumably into that then there's a play , pause , stop , rewind , fast-forward , record , so forth . Um . My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design . Um but uh the pro {vocalsound} I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from {vocalsound} want it to do most . So , something that's uh {vocalsound} something that is more programmable , that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want . Um so that those are then immediately {vocalsound} accessible through fairly minimal number of controls , um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons , and have a disp {vocalsound} you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh of the um joystick's {vocalsound} going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do . Um , this is actually {gap} a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers , you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the {vocalsound} and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified . And so it's taking taking the lead from that . Um .", "Project Manager : Okay . Yeah .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} That's it .", "Project Manager : Right . Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished . Um , {vocalsound} alright . Click to save in {disfmarker} where do I have to save it ?", "Project Manager : If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents . If you save it in there we can open it up from here .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry . Shit . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Are you finding it okay or ?", "Industrial Designer : I'm just {gap} closing it now . {gap} where I've saved it .", "Marketing : Well like if you go to one , uh whichever one you were working {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : {gap} that's it there ,", "Marketing : yeah ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : and you just click file save as .", "Industrial Designer : Oh right . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , right I'm responsible for working design , uh , this is basically the inside going on of the the uh remote control . So we have the energy source , we have the user interface , this this is what I've seen . Uh the sender will push the button , the chip will respond , uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the T_V_ . So uh uh , if you go to next slide , you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface . Do we need uh many buttons , or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not . Um , {vocalsound} , or would that take too much power , would we need more um components in there to supply the power ? Um , the joystick is another thing , if we were gonna add that , um , there'd be more components to deal with that .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Um {vocalsound} , so uh we need to {disfmarker} I dunno exactly what {disfmarker} That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design , um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : So , that'll be decided , I guess . {vocalsound} Uh , and the next slide . Oh , yeah {disfmarker} Um , if you go to the next slide then .", "Project Manager : Oh . Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : I just used the {vocalsound} it was a mess , uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there . Uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Ah , don't worry about it at all mate . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything . You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on . Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that .", "Project Manager : Okay . Well . Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you . Are you {disfmarker} is it {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : No , it's finished , yeah .", "Project Manager : yeah ? Okay . Right . Um , {vocalsound} right we can probably skip that for now . So , we've had some stuff put forward , um along with the new user requirements , um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far . Um I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about {vocalsound} um voice activated control . However I've got a couple of worries about that . {vocalsound} The power required , um and the ability to the cost , it seems like for uh an embedded system , this could cause us issues .", "Industrial Designer : Cost . Mm .", "Project Manager : Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice , I_B_M_ do um drag and dictate , but these require a lot of memory", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements . Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible .", "Marketing : 'Kay .", "Project Manager : Um that's just my view right now ,", "User Interface : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L_C_D_ which has been kind of put forward so far , it's almost like having a small T_ not T_V_ to say , but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display , I don't know how much power an L_C_D_ would take , but it might be quite low ?", "Marketing : Mm . I uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or {vocalsound} uh , interactive L_C_D_ or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a {vocalsound} a mobile phone ,", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : That could be one possibility . Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Mm . {gap} I I was thinking that the remote {vocalsound} the um {vocalsound} sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels .", "Project Manager : We {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ?", "User Interface : Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing , um . And I think {vocalsound} and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : Um though I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I would agree with you .", "User Interface : Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down . Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first , you know , oh colour's out , we'll have to replace it won't we .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It does nothing extra .", "Project Manager : That would be my feeling as well , I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface . Um now I mean I don't {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or {disfmarker} and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one ,", "Project Manager : sorry , go for it .", "Marketing : but I think we don't have a specific audience , you know , like what is our target audience , what niche are {disfmarker} niche are we trying to market and corner . You know , you know what I'm saying , like , for whom is this intended ? Everybody ?", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile . And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people .", "Marketing : Most people , yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um , if we are if we were to follow that avenue , we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose . But that does cover a very large section of the people out there .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Sure . I think that's fair {vocalsound} yeah .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Um , I mean I imagine as well that the actual L_C_D_ and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality . Which maybe doesn't get used as often , maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off , d up and down , it depends , I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then , that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control . So that literally anybody can come along , pick up the remote and still know what do do . And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T_V_", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : and who would normally use the unit .", "User Interface : Mm . {vocalsound} I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick", "Project Manager : I dunno .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T_ T_ for T_V_ remote alone , you could put um I mean there are {disfmarker} like I say the the the main things people do with a T_V_ remote control is the volume and the channel . You can pack all that onto was onto a single control . Um .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : But uh but the {vocalsound} but then o uh obviously if uh you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i {vocalsound} you you then get to sort of menu navigation . I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and {vocalsound} fiddly things that no one really bothers with , most T_V_s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra {gap}", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling . Um {gap} concern about our market . Um , if we are I mean most of the uh of the replacement remote market is sort of {gap} remote control rationalisation . Um , you've got twenty different devices in your living room ,", "Marketing : Yeah . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : you want one wo {vocalsound} y you want one that'll do the job of all of them . Um , if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room , um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : I just think that uh possibly {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid ,", "User Interface : mm .", "Project Manager : this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed , for now .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now . 'Fraid to say . Um {disfmarker}", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Does that um would that include um access to say {vocalsound} interactive functions on digital or cable ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Project Manager : I would say so , yes , because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes , and that is a separate unit . Um I think that it {disfmarker} I would say that the design spec we've been {gap} with is for the television only for now .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that .", "Marketing : Hmm . Okay , specifically television .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay . Maybe we'll hear differently , but for now {disfmarker}", "Marketing : So the joystick is just for differentness .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes . Um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Just a thought . {vocalsound} Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public . Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : There is that possibility , yes . B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert ,", "Marketing : Mm . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : that might be sales , who are not in this meeting .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that ,", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : We just {disfmarker} Is this gonna be enough to to sell ?", "Project Manager : Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Um , I don't know if it's a gimmick or not , but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle , it will beep and you {disfmarker} tell you where it is .", "User Interface : Mm , yeah , I've seen them .", "Marketing : I had one of those , and my brother , and my dad , could have beat me up", "Project Manager : Um . Well", "Marketing : because it it went off all the time accidentally .", "Project Manager : the other option of course is that um the", "Marketing : The clapping one . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : well {disfmarker} I was going to say clapping , um {disfmarker} Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has {disfmarker} of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_ .", "User Interface : Mm .", "Marketing : To a television . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Something which you when you press that , it would beep to give its location away , on the remote unit .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , I think that's a good idea .", "Project Manager : And that could be something could um separate us a bit .", "Marketing : Yeah , that's a good idea .", "Project Manager : And that way , because we're attaching what would be a small button to the T_V_ , again say what , it would be a small transmitter , um watch battery type scenario I would say , or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't {disfmarker} power {gap} that might be something that we could look into .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yep . Yeah , it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there , so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} I think so , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 35, "turns": [ 107, 186 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control functions", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Functions such as interoperability of remote control were discussed. The team made it clear the remote should be able to be used for more than one device in a household. Hence, the main idea was to create an universal remote, fit for broad public, that would control most devices and would substitute remaining controls previously used by the consumer. Pure function of the remote should be changing the state of television. That function could be achieved by pressing buttons or touch- screen.", "title": "Universal Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 33 ], [ 45, 47 ], 58, 64, [ 69, 71 ], [ 74, 77 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control functions", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Technical implementations regarding the remote control was to create a modern and trendy device that should control all electronic equipment, such as DVD players, video and cell phones. The main aim was to make it interoperable and available to broad spectrum of users. It should be the only remote control potential users needed. Not destined for any particular brand only, not exclusive. The technical function of the remote control should simply be changing the state of the television, which was what every remote should do. A very basic and pure function activated by pressing buttons or possibly a touch-screen, if such an option was possible to implement.", "title": "Technical Implementations Regarding Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 33 ], [ 45, 49 ], 58, 64, [ 69, 71 ], [ 74, 77 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control functions", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface proposed that remote worked on different televisions or maybe even different devices which idea was to Project Manager's liking. Idea was to create an universal remote for customers, in opposition to other brands' products. Basic technical function of the remote was changing the television's state what made it a really pure function. It was what the remote should do. Buttons were the means to change the television's state.", "title": "Basic Function of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 45, 54 ], [ 58, 60 ], [ 64, 66 ], [ 69, 77 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "remote control functions", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface agreed with Sebastian that interoperability was an important feature to implement in the remote. Stores should have the universal remote available for customers. The device was not made for any brand, like Philips. Information if the company was going business to consumer was not confirmed by User Interface. Technical function would be basic and activated by pressing the button to change the state of the television. It was the task of the remote. Buttons and touch-screen were discussed as possible controls.", "title": "Interoperability and Availability of Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 45, 54 ], [ 58, 60 ], [ 64, 66 ], [ 69, 77 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control functions", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Operability of the remote was most important technical possibility. Remote should be a device modern enough to control other devices. Devices should be compatible between each other. Finding a way to interconnect them was crucial. The remote should be universal for broad public and available. It was not destined for one specific vendor. Buttons and touch-screens were brought while deciding what should change the television state.", "title": "Specific Function of the Remote", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 30, 39 ], [ 47, 48 ], 54, 58, [ 74, 78 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "remote control functions", "speaker": "Industrial Designer" }, "summary": "Industrial Designer thought a modern remote control should control a diverse subset of equipment, for instance DVD player, video and audio devices. One remote for all what would make for its interoperability. Comunication between those devices should be established. Remote should be available in stores and sold to broad public. The remote was not being developed with thought of a specific vendor and would fit every device of a user's household. Industrial Designer asked if buttons were the right mean to change the television's state.", "title": "One Remote for every Device Challenge", "relevant_turns": [ [ 8, 10 ], [ 30, 39 ], [ 47, 48 ], 54, 58, [ 74, 78 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Industrial Designer : Yes , um I have some technical uh issues which I would like to present to you uh before we start the discussion , because uh there might be some uh", "Project Manager : Limitations .", "Industrial Designer : influations influences .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Project Manager : Okay , great .", "Industrial Designer : Okay ? {vocalsound} Okay . Um first about my role , role of the Industrial Designer . I would like to think about uh the implementation of uh of things , and the technical possibilities and impossibilities . So if someone of you comes up with uh ideas , uh I'll try to translate them in technical functions , but uh there might be some impossibilities . So that's one . {vocalsound} Uh I also will propose some uh um uh some implementations for that , but {disfmarker} well , these are quite the same . Sorry about that . Um and I also will remind people of some new technical possibilities which are available and which might be interesting to implement in our product .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : I have some uh initial ideas about some things um which are maybe nice to take with you in the upcoming uh discussion . One thing about uh interopera operability . Um I think a modern uh remote control should uh control a device {disfmarker} diverse subset of equipment . Uh for instance , uh D_V_D_ players , cell phones , video and audio equipment . So one re uh one remote control for all your equipment .", "User Interface : And for a cell phone ?", "Industrial Designer : Well , there should be some interoperabi interoperability between them .", "User Interface : Yeah , okay . Yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay , so the the main por uh the main points you are uh telling us are focus on the inter uh operability ,", "Industrial Designer : Yes ,", "Project Manager : and {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : so one thing uh one remote control should uh control one or more uh pieces of equipment ,", "Project Manager : Okay , and and uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : and the way of communicating with these equipments .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay , good .", "Industrial Designer : Okay .", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} that was your presentation ? Okay , okay .", "Industrial Designer : That's it .", "Project Manager : Um {vocalsound} okay . Great . Um {vocalsound} I'll go back to my own presentation . Um {disfmarker} Mm . Okay . Um I I do think it's time now to to discuss uh mm some things .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Um Sebastian told us a few things about the technical implemen uh implications . Um there are other things like um {vocalsound} how to make it trendy , which is I think uh um most uh Ru uh Ruud's uh role . Um the way how it should be controlled by the user , which is uh Roo uh r uh during this part . Um so let's start with you .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : H how do you think the remote should um function for the user ?", "User Interface : Well , I had a few uh things in mind . Um well , the interoperability , just like uh Sebastian said , um the remote should work on different T_V_s or even different uh um {disfmarker} Yeah uh , what is it , devices ?", "Project Manager : Yep .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um so i i I think it's a universal remote control for customers to buy just new in uh a store .", "Industrial Designer : Yes , I think it should be something like that .", "User Interface : It's not for uh for uh for uh Philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product ,", "Project Manager : Okay , so we're we're going business to consumer ,", "User Interface : right ?", "Project Manager : not {disfmarker} we're we're {disfmarker} it's not a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Yeah , I do I don't know that . It's no I have uh {disfmarker} don't have the information for it .", "Industrial Designer : We're not developing this product for a specific vendor , are we ?", "Project Manager : No . No .", "Industrial Designer : No ,", "User Interface : No , okay .", "Industrial Designer : we're just developing this product , and we want to sell it to a very broad uh public , so it should fit to every device .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Uh Ruud , y do you agree ?", "Marketing : Yeah , I think I think they're right , yeah .", "Project Manager : Okay . Okay .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Well , the techni fu technical function uh {gap} {disfmarker} what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the T_V_ . That's just the basic f technical function .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : So that was my {disfmarker} really my part for uh this session . Um {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : So is that ease of use or uh is that more like um {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Well , that's just the fu the technical function is {vocalsound} pure what should the remote control do , wh what is his task uh as an uh as an uh device .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : It just should change the T_V_'s state .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So that's it . Um but furthermore {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : And you you see uh the buttons as a as a means of doing this ?", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah , with buttons .", "Industrial Designer : Or are there any o other controls ?", "User Interface : Yeah , or maybe you want a touch-screen or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : Are there only {disfmarker} any other cont Well , {vocalsound}", "User Interface : But {disfmarker}" ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 53, "turns": [ 2, 53 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "data", "speaker": "Grad H , PhD F" }, "summary": "Grad H asked to get hold of the data even if it was not really corrected yet so as to get the data format and make sure the information retrieval was working. So they would make copies of those rather than using the ones that were there and delete them once the corrections were made. PhD F added that if they get the transcript data back and find there were no problems matching up the transcript with what they gave them, they would send them the next four as a big batch.", "title": "Status of the Transcript Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 39 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "data", "speaker": "Grad H , PhD F" }, "summary": "Grad H asked to get hold of the data in order to get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff was working. PhD F said they would send transcripts to the next four as a big batch if there were no problems.", "title": "Status of the Transcript Data", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 39 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad H : Does anyone have anything to {pause} add to the agenda ?", "Professor B : OK . Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's {disfmarker} that 's probably you .", "Postdoc A : I can do that quickly . Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress .", "Professor B : Seven ?", "Postdoc A : Seve - several , several .", "Professor B : Oh .", "Postdoc A : And uh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking . I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take one more week .", "Grad H : Um", "PhD D : I g", "Grad H : as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?", "Postdoc A : Certainly . Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .", "Grad H : So can you just {disfmarker} Oh , it is .", "Postdoc A : Uh - huh . No change .", "Grad H : OK . Just {disfmarker} So , \" transcripts \" is the sub - directory ?", "Postdoc A : Uh {disfmarker} Yes . Uh - huh .", "Grad H : OK . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll probably just make some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there .", "Postdoc A : OK .", "Grad H : Um and then just {disfmarker} we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made .", "Postdoc A : OK .", "Professor B : OK , wh", "PhD D : I also got anot a short remark to the transcription . I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would {disfmarker} they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them .", "Grad C : Cool .", "PhD F : Well the second one of those", "PhD D : Yep . It 's already at IBM ,", "PhD F : is already at IBM .", "PhD D : but the other ones {disfmarker}", "PhD F : That 's the one that {pause} we 're waiting to hear from them on .", "PhD D : Yeah . Yeah .", "Postdoc A : OK .", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Postdoc A : These are separate from the ones that {disfmarker}", "PhD F : As soon as {disfmarker}", "Postdoc A : I mean , these are {disfmarker}", "PhD F : They 're the IBM set .", "PhD D : Yep .", "Grad H : It 's this one .", "Postdoc A : Excellent . Good .", "PhD F : Yeah . And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OK", "Grad H : Is my mike on ? Yeah .", "PhD F : and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,", "Postdoc A : Excellent .", "PhD F : and let them work on that .", "Grad H : And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?", "PhD F : Yes , exactly .", "Grad H : OK , good .", "PhD F : We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once .", "Grad H : Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,", "PhD F : Yeah .", "Grad H : especially for the information retrieval stuff . Anything else on transcription status ?", "Postdoc A : Hm - mmm .", "Grad H : OK .", "Professor B : DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 90, 130 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plastic cover", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface discouraged putting a plastic cover because when opening it, it could break.", "title": "Demerits of a Plastic Cover", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 28 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "plastic cover", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User interface discouraged putting a plastic cover because it made it more difficult for the user and could break in the course of removing. So, User Interface noticed that people put the plastic cover on the things that normally don't mess with and suggested that they could put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way.", "title": "Demerits of a Plastic Cover", "relevant_turns": [ [ 16, 28 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : And also does it uh fit well in hand ? Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage .", "User Interface : Yeah . Well this these uh these remotes are quite big , so go to the next page , so . We have all these buttons as you can see , but most of them , we just need the ones in the middle .", "Project Manager : Yeah {vocalsound} . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So , from the bottom or whatever is there , uh the uh the numbers and then the top , uh until the ten also , this middle part ,", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah .", "User Interface : and on the left one is exactly the same . So it's basically more or less how we would like it , with a big volume control , big channel control , and mute and power , yeah ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : These are the basic thing .", "Project Manager : So it's only the central part .", "User Interface : So basically , w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two .", "Project Manager : Yeah . With a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part .", "User Interface : Yeah , if you have , for example {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : It could be on the right side , for example .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have . And I think that the plastic cover is not very good uh idea because", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : you open it , it can break , you ca you can do various things .", "Project Manager : Okay . S", "User Interface : Uh you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way .", "Project Manager : Okay . Will be down or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : So that they're separate a bit ,", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : yeah . Uh and it's easy to press the other {disfmarker} the big buttons , but uh , it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either . Mm . Yeah , I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Alright , you won't {disfmarker} yeah . Usually what {disfmarker} I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally don't mess with , like buttons for t uh tuning the channels and stuff like that .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : Yeah . That you want to protect a bit . And I think it's uh it's reasonable .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "User Interface : So , I don't think {disfmarker} Yeah , this is just the the wheel .", "Project Manager : Mm .", "User Interface : We could use the {disfmarker} some wheels can be pushed down , could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Maybe the wheel will be a {vocalsound} good advantage over our competitors .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple . So maybe it's worse to uh to have more expense on that's that aspect .", "Industrial Designer : To s Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Yeah , I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that .", "Project Manager : Okay . So we can move to the {disfmarker} Is there any question ? For designer of user interface ? {vocalsound} or we can move to the next part , maybe , and discuss afterwards ? Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 133, 259 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stylish fruit , remote design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Marketing suggested that the remote control should be designed to have a fruit and vegetable form and a spongy feel in conformity to the trend. The fruits suggested were an apple, banana, and pear. Of the three suggestions, the banana had more favor because its curvy nature gives it quite an innovative look, also, the wheel and push buttons could easily be built into the banana shape.", "title": "A Stylish Fruit for Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 75 ], [ 94, 105 ], [ 116, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stylish fruit , remote design", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The fruits suggested for the stylish look and spongy feel of the remote were an apple, banana, and pear. Nothing much was said about the apple. The pear was suggested because of the ease of having it in hand and its ergonomic nature. The banana was suggested because its yellow color would make it not be easily lost and it could accommodate the wheel on top and the pushbuttons also because it's ergonomic too. Another suggestion was to use ice with blue LCD which was immediately declined because it was not in the trend. The idea of the banana was a good and innovative one, in addition, it has the color theme of the company.", "title": "A Stylish Fruit for Remote Control Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 54, 75 ], [ 94, 105 ], [ 116, 122 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stylish fruit , remote design", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Marketing thought about choosing a pear for ergonomy and portability.", "title": "Marketing Picking Pear for Remote Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "stylish fruit , remote design", "speaker": "Marketing" }, "summary": "Thought about a pear, for example; the pear, is like that and it's easy to have in hand.", "title": "Marketing Picking Pear for Remote Design", "relevant_turns": [ [ 64, 65 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "stylish fruit , remote design", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager thought that both the pear and banana were good ideas but preferred the banana because its curvy nature add to the innovation and its color matches the theme of the company", "title": "Project Manager's Ideals of a Stylish Fruit for Remote Design", "relevant_turns": [ 75, [ 94, 99 ], 116 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "high", "topic": "stylish fruit , remote design", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager chose the banana instead of the pear because it was a good design and it's innovative as well and because of its yellow color you can't lose your remote control.", "title": "Project Manager's ideals of a Stylish Fruit for Remote Design", "relevant_turns": [ 75, [ 94, 99 ], 116 ] } ], "source": [ "Marketing : Can I ? {vocalsound} So now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control um . So , the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel . And um the second aspect is uh that the remote control should be uh technological innovative .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And the third most important aspect is to to {disfmarker} is that the co remote control should be easy to use . So , are things we are we have uh speak about before .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah . And um {disfmarker} so you you can go {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : after . And there is a fashion watchers in Paris and Milan that have detected the following trends , uh fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes , shoes , and furnitures . {vocalsound} So , maybe if our {vocalsound} remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : something like that , or {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I support an apple .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} And the mm the material is expected to be spongy .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Uh I don't know which material {vocalsound} can be spongy ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : and if you {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : This is good also for {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Well , wou wou I think we can certainly just put the electronics in a spongy thing ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : it it would work , right ?", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : I think it is good also f to have a spongy material , yeah .", "User Interface : You can throw it to the television .", "Project Manager : Yeah , because it's robust .", "Marketing : Okay {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Me too .", "Marketing : It's robust , yeah .", "User Interface : Hey that's a cool one . We could say that if you throw it , you have a sensor , and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off .", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : When it d uh takes a shock .", "Project Manager : Yeah", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Not good .", "Project Manager : uh sorry ?", "Industrial Designer : Ah it's okay . I know that they do that for alarm clock also .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : An and and uh this uh you can yeah you can say that . You ca uh you can go uh before", "Project Manager : No . Yeah . Before ?", "Marketing : , before , yes . And you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel , after is uh technological innovative , and after the easy to use .", "Project Manager : Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . I think it's innovative to use the mm the wheel because I think no one else has .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Yeah that's why {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Has it ?", "Marketing : Yeah that's why I think we have to keep that if it's possible .", "Project Manager : Yeah . I think it's {disfmarker} it makes it both easy and both innos innovative .", "Industrial Designer : Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Innovative . Mm .", "Project Manager : So I think it's a good aspect and it should be kept .", "User Interface : How do we make it look cool is the question .", "Project Manager : Cool , fancy ?", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Project Manager : We have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Maybe uh um {vocalsound} a colour that remember some fruit uh , things like that .", "Industrial Designer : What about um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm . Oh , colour , yeah .", "User Interface : Well the obvious thing is a banana , I guess .", "Marketing : Oh {disfmarker} i i {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Maybe yeah .", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound}", "Marketing : I thought about a a pear , for example . You know the pear , is like that and it's it's easy to to have in in hand", "Project Manager : Yeah , and it's ergonomic as well .", "Marketing : and uh {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : A pear .", "User Interface : The banana is also ergonomic .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah . Maybe pear yeah or something like that .", "Marketing : Or a fruit like that . I dunno .", "Project Manager : Yeah . We can discuss that uh . D D Is is there anything you want to add ?", "User Interface : Is there any fruit that is spongy ?", "Marketing : {vocalsound} {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I don't think so . I think we we can have like yeah a pear is good , fit well , or banana as you told .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Something like that .", "Industrial Designer : And for maybe look and feel , what about a a piece of ice , with blue L_E_D_ inside ?", "Project Manager : But that's not in the trend . {vocalsound} .", "User Interface : You can make it um {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : The trend is spongy , and vegetable fruits .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : It's not hard , the metal .", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : {vocalsound} I think p spongy is good because it it will be robust as well .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Plastic . {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : Yep .", "Project Manager : So , I think we can keep the wheel because it's uh easy , it's innovative , even if the cost is a bit higher ,", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Project Manager : and we also have to find a , so , a fruit like pear or banana wit uh any others idea you have . What kind of fr fruit would you like to to control your T_V_ with ? {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Mm .", "Project Manager : Odi", "Industrial Designer : Banana I think , it's a nice idea .", "Project Manager : Banana is also yellow so you you can't lost your remote control then .", "Industrial Designer : Because {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : You y you don't use the banana when the banana is curving like that ,", "User Interface : Two of the button , yeah .", "Industrial Designer : but when the banana is curving like that , with the wheel on the top and to control ,", "User Interface : Yeah . Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and here you have a a push button to {disfmarker}", "Marketing : But you don't have {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : I think it's a good idea , yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah so you can just have uh just have this curve , yeah , and you move uh your hand here to press the buttons and then you move uh on the other side .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : So you can have it on on two sides and it'll be cool ,", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : no ?", "Project Manager : I think it's a good design and it's innovative as well then . Maybe we can keep the banana . And it will be very easy to find .", "Industrial Designer : And everybody knows what is a banana .", "User Interface : You can put also vibrator inside .", "Industrial Designer : Basically .", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : If you if you start with uh fancy fruits and fra s and tha", "User Interface : Ah-ha . You can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the colour scheme of our company .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Oh , yeah {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Yeah it's really uh really a good point ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 55, "turns": [ 277, 295 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "good remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said a good remote control should be original, trendy, and user-friendly and asked for additional prerequisites for the remote. User Interface said a good remote control should have an on-off button. Project Manager added that the control should have the expected functionality of remote control for the television and pointed out that he always missed channels and some remotes could go channel up or down instead of retyping the number.", "title": "Discussion on Good Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 18 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "good remote control", "speaker": "Project Manager , User Interface" }, "summary": "Project Manager said a good remote control had to be original, trendy, user-friendly and should have the expected functionality of remote control, they were targeting the television set. Project Manager agreed with User Interface's opinion about they needed the remote to record and browse the channels.", "title": "Discussion on Good Remote Control", "relevant_turns": [ [ 0, 18 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : uh so when we have a good product we uh we could uh meet this this aim , I think . So , that about finance . And uh now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and uh well keep in mind this this first point , it has to be original , it has to be trendy , it has to be user friendly . Um , maybe someone can mention some additional uh prerequisites for a good remote control .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Of course it should have a on off button . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : Yes , well i it should have the the the the expected functionality uh of a remote control .", "Marketing : Mm . Yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah , s and it depends what application you are using it for .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : You might need uh {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : We wer we were thinking television . Uh .", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : We are targ targeting the television set . So ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "User Interface : you need to record the channels .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : {vocalsound} You need to browse the {disfmarker} browse the channels in upward downward way ,", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : Yes , yes . Th th that's very handy I {disfmarker} I always miss it and {disfmarker} on some remote controls that you can go channel up or down ins instead of retyping the number , especially when you have a lot of channels ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 24, "turns": [ 0, 9 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "previous meeting", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager said in the previous meeting they decided to have a simple interface, a wheel to replace the previous channel button and the buttons should be protected by a plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple. The remote control would have button for volume, a button for switching on/off the TV, and the lighting feature. They also decided to have no LCD and voice features.", "title": "Summarization of the Previous Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "previous meeting", "speaker": "Project Manager" }, "summary": "Project Manager; we will first start by summarising the previous meeting; last time we decided to have a simple interface; a wheel to change previous channel button; buttons should be protected by plastic cover or something; button for volume, and to switch on off the TV; lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find; no LCD no voice features.", "title": "Summarization of the Previous Meeting", "relevant_turns": [ 2 ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : {vocalsound} Okay .", "User Interface : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : So we are here for the concept design meeting . So , we will first start by summarizing the mm {vocalsound} the previous meeting and the decision we've taken . Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards . So each of you will uh show us the various investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours . We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest {disfmarker} next task , to have {disfmarker} to be done before the next meeting . So , last time we decided to have a simple interface . We also decided to have a wheel to change channel {disfmarker} previous channel button . Channel digit uh buttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple . We have also button for volume , and to switch on off the T_V_ . We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find , and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no L_C_D_ no voice features . So now uh we will have three presentations . So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer , the specification of the U_I_ by {disfmarker} or U_I_ {vocalsound}", "User Interface : Abdul al-Hasred is my name .", "Project Manager : okay . {vocalsound} And uh the last point is uh trend watching by Market Expert . So maybe we can start with uh industrial design . So this is the presentation .", "Industrial Designer : Uh , I_D_ you want ?", "Project Manager : Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . I only v have three slides , so . I just look at the mm {disfmarker} um just this . On some web pages to find some documentation", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : and I think a remote control is , as I s mentioned previously , you just have a a very simple chip and the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a um a wheel control . So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip , which is uh very very standard , and uh I just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button . And um {vocalsound} yeah we can change directly ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 14, "turns": [ 59, 76 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "comparable , colleges", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM made questions regarding the comparability of Welsh bac with other qualifications and why some colleges saw it as being rigorous.", "title": "Julie Morgan AM's Questions", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "high", "topic": "comparable , colleges", "speaker": "Julie Morgan AM" }, "summary": "Julie Morgan AM; how comparable; Welsh bac; reasons; colleges; rigorous.", "title": "Comparability of Welsh Back", "relevant_turns": [ 0, 5 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "learners , approach , softer skills", "speaker": "Dr Rachel Bowen" }, "summary": "Bowen said baccalaureate approach was best at producing independent, inquiry-based learners with skills to look to teachers for guidance. It was possible for learners to reach FE college having attained the Welsh bac.", "title": "Bowen's Insights about Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 11, 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "long", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "learners , approach , softer skills", "speaker": "Dr Rachel Bowen" }, "summary": "Bowen said baccalaureate approach was positive and best at producing inquiry-based learners with skills to look to teachers for guidance. It was possible for learners to reach FE college having attained Welsh bac without going through holistic inquiry-based independent skills.", "title": "New Approach on Bac", "relevant_turns": [ 11, 14 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "learners , future", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Brazil said that a comparable qualification was comparable as long as it achieved the right outcome for particular learner. Brazil wondered if you forced a learner to do something that was not going to achieve the outcome that they required in their future, then was it the right thing for that learner.", "title": "The Learners and Their Future", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 10 ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "learners , future", "speaker": "Nick Brazil" }, "summary": "Nick Brazil; force a learner to do something; not necessarily going to achieve the outcome that they required in their future; right thing.", "title": "Best Way for Learners to Meet Their Future's Goals", "relevant_turns": [ 4, 10 ] } ], "source": [ "Julie Morgan AM : Thank you, Chair. Good morning. I think you've already got into this bit of the discussion, but what are your views on how comparable the Welsh bac is to other qualifications? I don't know if you've got any more comments on that.", "Dafydd Evans : Well, obviously, as we noted, it's become a very rigorous, very large qualification. Actually, it's probably larger than an A-level by now. And, therefore, regarding the rigour and so forth, that's absolutely fine, but I think one of the problems that you're hearing is that perhaps the Welsh bac is trying to be all things to all men. At one end of the spectrum it's trying to be a rigorous qualification that stands up to a Russell university's expectations, and on the other hand, it's trying to develop softer skills and employment skills for people going into work from a vocational area. Can the same product deliver those two outcomes? I'm certainly not sure, and perhaps we need to think: what are we trying to achieve with this qualification?", "Julie Morgan AM : Right.", "Kay Martin : Yes, and earlier, we talked as well about that difference for the A-level students. They know what it is. It's worth UCAS points. For the vocational students, some things like the Career Ready programme, which is used in other colleges, and WorldSkills, you know, where all colleges have really been pushing to get more learners into WorldSkills at national and international level. And for some of our learners, particularly if we take our engineering learners, then having somebody who has competed in Europe as a tiler or an electrician would, I think, make an employer think, 'I'd better look at this person', whereas the other one\u00a0has done the Welsh bac\u2014.\u00a0I think they would look at the WorldSkills person first. And the investment we have to put into WorldSkills is huge. So, for some of our learners, we choose that you do WorldSkills, because that is going to be more valuable for you as a skill, and to show to an employer how much extra time you've put in. So, they put a lot of time\u2014you know, to get somebody into a WorldSkills competition is not just a couple of hours a week, it isn't just the normal curriculum\u2014they have extra time. They are more able and talented vocational learners, and that is more valuable to those learners and I think it's more valid for employers than the Welsh baccalaureate.", "Nick Brazil : I think it's got to, extending on what Kay says\u2014. It's got to be\u2014. You know, it is comparable, as long as it's right for that learner's future. If it's right for the learner's future, absolutely it's comparable. But if a learner wants to go into a particular sector and the Welsh bac is not accepted, it's not comparable. But, then, if it is into a certain sector and the skills are being developed in the right manner for that sector, absolutely. But it's got to be right for the learner.", "Julie Morgan AM : What are the reasons why some colleges do see it as being rigorous and others don't? Why does the view vary?", "Ed Evans : Can I give perhaps an employer's perspective on that, which might be completely wrong, but it's been interesting listening to what's been said here? About a year ago, we bought the\u00a0WJEC in to speak to our employers, or a number of them, just to explain to them what the Welsh bac was about\u2014back to listening and about understanding, really, and it just was not there at all. I could see that most of the employers\u00a0there were really impressed with it once they understood what it was about and they saw the opportunities at a whole host of levels. We've kind of gone into an university discussion here, but there are school leavers leaving at 16 or 18. The skills that they bring having gone through this process I think most of the employers could get, at least in my sector, they could understand\u2014'I can see what that person can do.' But we've also seen it from university-educated people as well. They are a little bit too focused on the academic side of things. Those that bring a little bit of world experience, a little bit of the Welsh bac-type of things, just become far more rounded and useful people. I can understand why there's a certain obsession, almost, with the academic side of it, but I think we lose that vocational bit at our peril, and to a certain extent we probably haven't got it in many quarters anyway. So, for me, the Welsh bac helps to build that. Call it something else maybe, but that's what it should do.", "Julie Morgan AM : Right. And those skills that are learnt in the Welsh bac, can they be learnt in any of the other qualifications? Because I know that Cambridge university said to us they thought, in the four A-levels that they asked for, that those skills were there.", "Kay Martin : It probably depends on the subjects that\u00a0people are studying and the combination of subjects and the institution. Generally, in college, even if they're doing A-levels, they go out on some community projects or work-related education, without the Welsh bac\u2014even if they're not doing that. So, it does depend on the subject, I think.", "Dafydd Evans : I think there's a real danger of us perhaps becoming overly critical here as well of the Welsh bac\u00a0in terms of\u2014I don't think it's perfect by a long way, however, learners are getting some value out of that process. Certain learners in departments where they have really worked hard to contextualise the Welsh bac\u00a0within the vocational area, within the A-level subjects that the learners are doing, are finding it very rewarding. So, there are some very positive things coming out there. I think what we're suggesting is there may be even better ways of doing it and better ways of explaining to people what it's about.", "Nick Brazil : On this point about the skills being developed, I think that's debatable if all the skills that are supposed to be developed in the Welsh bac\u00a0are being developed, and that's why I think there's a need to relook at it to make sure those skills are being developed fully. But I will go back to the point that I think a comparable qualification is comparable as long as it achieves the right outcome for that particular learner. If you force a learner to do something that is not necessarily going to achieve the outcome that they require in their future, is it the right thing to be doing for that learner? That's what my concern is.", "Dr Rachel Bowen : I think the baccalaureate\u00a0approach is best at producing independent, inquiry-based learners who have the skills to look to teachers not as sources of information but just for guidance. That whole sort of approach about creating inquisitive young people with the skills that we've discussed, that's a real positive. The chances are that we've lost some of that by trying to fit it into being a specific qualification. The approach is a positive one.", "Lynne Neagle AM : Suzy, you had a supplementary.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes, to both Rachel Bowen and Nick Brazil, if you don't mind. Both of you mentioned this is about skills and a piece of paper that demonstrates that you have these skills. At pre 16, would it be fair to say that there have been occasions when people have come presenting those pieces of paper but actually show none of the skills that they were supposed to have? The reason I'm asking this question, having had children who've gone through the process myself, is that in some schools, and I'm not saying all, doing the bac\u00a0is something that everybody does in the last four weeks of term, and that undermines the whole idea of the bac\u00a0anyway. It's just not fair on the learners or the people teaching the bac. Is that a fair observation?", "Dr Rachel Bowen : I think it's perfectly possible for learners to reach FE college having attained the Welsh bac\u00a0under the process that you've described, and without necessarily having gone through the holistic inquiry-based independent skills that we would want to see.", "Nick Brazil : Yes, and at interview process or during an interview, or in the first week, you can see that they haven't developed those skills, and I think it is down to the variable models that have been put in place. There are lots of different models, and if you put, as I said, the model that you've described in place, there is no way, in that period of time, you're going to develop those skills. But that indicates, again, the value that people are putting on the qualification, if they are squeezing it into three or four weeks of term.", "Suzy Davies AM : Yes. It might be different post 16\u2014I accept that. Okay. Thank you.", "Dr Rachel Bowen : And obviously practice will differ across schools." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 51, "turns": [ 19, 89 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "features , prototype", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said they had decided on including certain features in their remote and said what they included. They included another feature the mute button, one to nine buttons on the side model which was for controlling the different channels, two buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume and they had included two buttons for up and down scrolling the program channels.", "title": "Button Features Included", "relevant_turns": [ [ 37, 67 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "features , prototype", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said the features included the emitting signal which was the led or LED, the infrared. User Interface also spoke of the different buttons including their positions, functions, and their model including the menu button at the center. It was fluorescent green in color and controlled the color, sharpness, and brightness of the picture.", "title": "The Menu Button and its Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 37, 67 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "special", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said they had added a swapping button and went on to describe the shape and functions of the swapping button, also, explained how the swapping worked, giving an example if one was watching the second challenge and went to the tenth channel or going back to the second channel they could swap using the button and the remote had an inbuilt voice recognizer.", "title": "Swapping Button and Voice Recogniser Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 70 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "special", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface described the swapping button as a special feature and described the button as having an elongated shape that was slightly flexible. If it was turned it would take the user to the previous or next channel. Also said voice recognition would recognize the user's voice and act accordingly.", "title": "Swapping Button and Voice Recogniser Feature", "relevant_turns": [ [ 60, 70 ] ] } ], "source": [ "User Interface : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "User Interface : Just the look like , the button part I'll explain .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah . Uh so this is our {disfmarker} what uh we have made . This is a model of the remote control which we are going to build .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh this is us in a snail shape so uh it it is attractive", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : um and it's {disfmarker} it's blue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colour buttons", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : so it is a {disfmarker} uh uh a {disfmarker} looks-wise it is beautiful .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh and also compact in shape .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into {disfmarker} into the hands and you can access all the buttons easily .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Good .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah ,", "Project Manager : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : oops , sorry . {vocalsound}", "Marketing : {vocalsound} You used to have all the buttons {vocalsound}", "User Interface : {vocalsound}", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Um yeah and um uh the material which we are going to use for the case is uh plastic and uh w which which is s strong um uh and also uh for the {disfmarker} Um the material is plastic and uh for the buttons it is uh s soft rubber um and als", "Marketing : Oh that's good ,", "Industrial Designer : yeah .", "Marketing : no , that's nice and friendly .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah because uh uh you'll be touching the buttons more so it is soft when you touch it .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Mm .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm ,", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And then um uh for the {disfmarker} for the led , for the light emitting diode it is a fluorescent green", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : and it's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} it is a bulb like an ordinary infrared .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "Industrial Designer : And {disfmarker} and the button {disfmarker} button's part uh will be explained by F Francina .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : Okay .", "User Interface : Now the um {disfmarker} we decided upon including certain features on our remote . Now these features includes the s um signal emitting uh signal {disfmarker} it's the led or L_E_D_ the infrared .", "Project Manager : Mm-hmm ,", "Marketing : Yeah , okay , mm-hmm .", "Project Manager : mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Now uh we have included the switch on and off button .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : Now we have included another feature that is the mute button", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : on the side of the model . Then we have included one to nine buttons", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : for controlling the programmes {disfmarker} the different channels .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : We have also included two buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume .", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : And we have also included two buttons for scrolling up and scrolling down the programme channels . Now our {disfmarker} our model also contains a button which is called as the menu button .", "Marketing : Mm .", "Project Manager : What kind of button ?", "User Interface : Menu button .", "Project Manager : Menu ? Uh menu th menu , uh one one .", "User Interface : Yes , menu {disfmarker}", "Marketing : Menu button . {vocalsound}", "User Interface : At the centre", "Marketing : Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : we have included a button which is fluorescent green colour and this is the menu button which will control the colour , sharpness , brightness", "Marketing : Mm-hmm . Of the screen . Mm , mm-hmm .", "User Interface : of this uh picture . We have also included a button which is called as the swapping button . Now this is uh a special , special feature which we have included . Now this button is an elongated shaped button and this is slightly flexible so if it is turned towards the right it will take to the previous channel , if it is turned towards the right it will take to the next channel . It will take the user to the previous and the next channel so this is a swapping button .", "Marketing : The next channel in the numeric pattern , or {disfmarker}", "User Interface : No , swapping is if if example you're {disfmarker} you're watching the second channel and then you go to the tenth channel and if you want to go back to the second channel you can swap , this button .", "Marketing : Yeah , mm-hmm . Mm .", "User Interface : Yes .", "Marketing : Okay , okay .", "User Interface : And at the end , it {disfmarker} this remote has inbuilt voice recogniser which c which will recognise the user's voice and then it'll act accordingly .", "Project Manager : Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .", "User Interface : So this is our proposed model .", "Marketing : Okay ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "test", "file_id": 6, "turns": [ 45, 81 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "situation models , value , users", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad E started saying that everything that had a user comes from the user model, and everything that had a situation came from the situation model - A. After some interchanges, Grad E said that the user's budget may influence the disfmarker outcome of decisions, so the user finance was sort of here thought of in the disfmarker like the financial policy that a person carried out in his life. Grad E didn't want to write greediness, Professor B said neither cheapness, and Grad A said user thrift and everyone agreed on that. Professor B said that was actually a GUI to a simulator that would tell if it would wind up with a functioning belief - net. Grad E said it was simple, after that it said that it could think of people being cheap, average, or spendy, or the disfmarker could be at a finer scale, like moderately cheap. Professor B answered that it didn't matter and Grad E agreed.", "title": "Grad E and Professor B Talking About User Budget in Disfmarker", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 11, 24 ], [ 30, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "short", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "situation models , value , users", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad E started saying that everything that had a user came from the user model, and everything that had a situation cames from the situation model - A. After some interchanges, Grad E said that the user's budget may influence the disfmarker outcome of decisions, so the user finance was sort of here thought of in the disfmarker like the financial policy that a person carried out in his life. Professor B said that was actually a GUI to a simulator that would tell all the right things if it would wind up with a functioning belief - net. Grad E if the disfmarker could be at a finer scale and not only cheap, average or spendy, like moderately cheap. Professor B answered that it didn't matter.", "title": "Grad E and Professor B Interchange About User Budget in Disfmarker", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 11, 16 ], [ 30, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "situation models , value , user budget , user", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad E said that the user's budget may influence the disfmarker outcome of decisions, so the user finance was sort of here thought of in the disfmarker like the financial policy that a person carried out in his life. Professor B said that was actually a GUI to a simulator that would tell all the right things if it would wind up with a functioning belief - net. Grad E if the disfmarker could be at a finer scale and not only cheap, average or spendy, like moderately cheap.", "title": "Thoughts of the Group Members About the Value of User Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 27 ], [ 30, 36 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "high", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "situation models , value , user budget , user", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "Grad E said that with the user value model, the one where disfmarker took the decision about the financial policy that a person carried out in his life, like if the person was cheap, average, or spendy, but it didn't want to write greediness. Professor B said that neither cheapness. Grad A had the idea of using the words user thrift and Professor B said that it was good, and Grad D and Grad E agreed. Professor B told about the GUI to a simulator that would tell the functioning belief - net at the other end, and Grad E said that was so simple that they could use it and Grad A was impressed with the simplicity.", "title": "Group Members Thoughts About the Value of User Budget", "relevant_turns": [ [ 14, 27 ], [ 30, 36 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Grad E : Hmm . Hmm . OK . And so I 've tried to come up with some initial things one could observe so who is the user ? Everything that has user comes from the user model everything that has situation comes from the situation model - A . We should be be clear . But when it comes to sort of writing down when you {disfmarker} when you do these things is it here ? You sort of have to a write the values this can take .", "Professor B : Right .", "Grad E : And here I was really uh in some s sometimes I was really sort of standing in front of a wall feeling very stupid because um {disfmarker} this case it 's pretty simple , but as we will see the other ones um for example if it 's a running budget so what are the discrete values of a running budget ? So maybe my understanding there is too impoverished .", "Grad A : Hmm .", "Professor B : No uh", "Grad E : How can I write here that this is something , a number that cr keeps on changing ? But OK . Thus is understandable ?", "Grad A : Think so .", "Grad C : Yes .", "Grad E : So here for example .", "Professor B : You 've s have you seen this before at all Keith , these belief - net things ?", "Grad A : Uh , no , but I think I 'm following it . So far .", "Grad E : So here is the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} we had that the user 's budget may influence the outcome of decisions .", "Professor B : Yeah .", "Grad D : Hmm .", "Grad E : There we wanted to keep sort of a running total of things .", "Grad D : Is this like a number that represents how much money they have left to spend ? OK , h well I mean how is it different from user finance ?", "Grad E : Um the finance is sort of here thought of as {disfmarker} as the financial policy a person carries out in his life , he {disfmarker} is he cheap , average , or spendy ?", "Grad D : Alright .", "Grad E : And um I didn't come uh maybe a user I don't know , I didn't want to write greediness , but", "Grad A : Yeah . Hmm .", "Professor B : Or cheapness .", "Grad E : Welcome .", "Grad A : User thrift .", "Grad E : Welcome .", "Professor B : Thrift , that 's good .", "Grad D : Yeah .", "Professor B : Great .", "Grad E : There it is .", "Professor B : Yeah . So Keith w what 's behind this is actually a program that will once you fill all this in actually s solve your belief - nets for you and stuff .", "Grad A : Mm - hmm .", "Professor B : So this is not just a display , this is actually a GUI to a simulator that will if we tell it all the right things we 'll wind up with a functioning belief - net at the other end .", "Grad A : OK . OK .", "Grad E : And it 's so simple even I can use it .", "Grad A : Wow , that is simple .", "Grad E : OK , so here was OK , I can think of uh people being cheap , average , or spendy or we can even have a {disfmarker} a finer scale moderately cheap ,", "Professor B : Doesn't matter .", "Grad E : doesn't matter . Agree there but here um I wasn't sure what to write in ." ] }, { "metadata": { "dataset": "qmsum", "split": "train", "file_id": 8, "turns": [ 381, 436 ] }, "references": [ { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "next meeting , plan", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "The next meeting would start in thirty minutes, User Interface said that they needed to agree on what they're going to make and define if the control would work for multiple systems. Marketing and Project Manager agreed that there must be a previous plan. Marketing proposed to make a list of proposals. Project Manager agreed and asked them to think about it individually to review it at the next meeting.", "title": "Project Planning", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 6, 20 ], [ 23, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "high", "topic": "next meeting , plan", "speaker": "" }, "summary": "User Interface said they first had to agree on what they were going to do and whether the control should serve multiple systems. Marketing suggested getting some general ideas, making some mockups and planning more. Project Manager agreed there should be a plan in advance to cover all the basics. Marketing proposed to make a list of things that should be on the remote and decide on the next one what stays and goes. Project Manager said each one should think about their point of view to fit all the pieces in the next meeting that would take place in 30 minutes.", "title": "Project Planning", "relevant_turns": [ 0, [ 6, 20 ], [ 23, 51 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "normal", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "machines", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "User Interface said in order to design the technical features, they needed to know what kind of machines they would be. Project Manager said they could only say that it would be multipurpose.", "title": "Technical Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 40 ] ] }, { "control_attribute": { "length": "normal", "extractiveness": "fully", "specificity": "normal", "topic": "machines", "speaker": "User Interface" }, "summary": "if the technical functions have to be designed; know for what kind of machines they will be; text screen; a step further; one way or multi-purpose; looking at individual components.", "title": "Technical Functions", "relevant_turns": [ [ 25, 40 ] ] } ], "source": [ "Project Manager : Okay , uh next meeting will start in thirty minutes . So uh you uh will have uh individual actions where I presume uh will be some feedback , uh via the m the mail . Um {vocalsound} the the the Industrial uh Designer has to uh look at the working design . {vocalsound} Uh the User Interface Designer has to look at the technical functions . So that's the thing we uh discussed .", "User Interface : Yeah . Um one thing uh ,", "Project Manager : Yeah ?", "User Interface : we must first agree on uh what we're going to m going to make . Do we {disfmarker} Are we going to use um it it for multiple systems ? Or uh {disfmarker} We should have some agreement on that before we {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Okay . Um wha", "Marketing : {vocalsound} Mm uh I I don't think we have to be , we have to agree on that . Uh {disfmarker}", "Industrial Designer : I figure we could get back to it on the next meeting actually .", "Marketing : I think th that's a pha Yeah .", "User Interface : Okay .", "Marketing : That's a phase further .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah .", "Marketing : Ju just uh make some mock-ups , some some general ideas .", "User Interface : Ah okay .", "Marketing : And and then we can plan {disfmarker} Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : We can plan further , I think .", "Project Manager : Yeah . But maybe , because uh you are working on the user requirements , you are working on the technical functions , we uh must uh have a little or kinda uh uh uh {disfmarker} How do you call it ? Uh {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Consensus on the , what we're gonna do .", "Project Manager : Uh a little plan on on what we're going to do . So you don't uh uh come up with the user requirements who don't fit the the the the technical functions at all . Some basic things we co we want to going to do . Uh I think that's well uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Will come in handy .", "Marketing : Mm yeah .", "User Interface : Yeah .", "Marketing : I don't know . You decide . {vocalsound}", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Marketing : You're the Project Manager .", "Project Manager : W {vocalsound} He says {disfmarker}", "User Interface : if the technical functions have to be designed , I I've gotta know for what kind of machines they will be .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "User Interface : Or do we use it a text screen ? Or uh will it be with uh with bluetooth or {disfmarker}", "Project Manager : Well , th that's that's really a step further . But if you say uh {vocalsound} is it uh uh one way or multi-purpose , that's a {disfmarker}", "User Interface : Okay . Mm-hmm .", "Marketing : Uh tha that's a same step further .", "Project Manager : Why ?", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , actually it is .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Why ?", "Industrial Designer : {vocalsound} Then looking at individual components ,", "Marketing : Uh .", "Industrial Designer : so that's actually a f step further .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Marketing : Like we all have a list of uh things that has to b that have to be in it , or how it has to be like . And then in the next meeting we decide", "Project Manager : Yeah .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , we can take it from there .", "Marketing : w what it's gonna be .", "Project Manager : Okay .", "Industrial Designer : Yeah , I agree uh , we can take it from there .", "Marketing : A And then you s then you can delete uh", "Industrial Designer : Or edit .", "Marketing : the o the obsolete uh details .", "Project Manager : Okay . So uh", "Marketing : I think .", "Project Manager : each individually i individually uh must think on what's uh at uh his point of view is the most important . And uh then we're going to fit uh all the pieces together the next meeting .", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : I must finish off now ,", "Marketing : Yeah .", "Project Manager : so it's over . You uh will receive specific specific instructions uh by your personal coach . And I see you in uh thirty minutes . Thank you ." ] } ]