eta-UAYNr6A-00000-00000000-00000320 a fast-food restaurant also known as a eta-UAYNr6A-00001-00000321-00000545 quick service restaurant q s are within eta-UAYNr6A-00002-00000546-00000751 the industry is a specific type of eta-UAYNr6A-00003-00000752-00000965 restaurant that serves fast-food cuisine eta-UAYNr6A-00004-00000966-00001232 and has minimal table service the food eta-UAYNr6A-00005-00001233-00001427 served in fast-food restaurants as eta-UAYNr6A-00006-00001428-00001659 typically part of a meat sweep diet eta-UAYNr6A-00007-00001660-00001918 offered from a limited menu cooked in eta-UAYNr6A-00008-00001919-00002126 bulk in advance and kept hot finished eta-UAYNr6A-00009-00002127-00002312 and packaged to order and usually eta-UAYNr6A-00010-00002313-00002495 available for take away though seating eta-UAYNr6A-00011-00002496-00002767 may be provided fast food restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-00012-00002768-00002935 are typically part of a restaurant chain eta-UAYNr6A-00013-00002936-00003158 or franchise operation that provides eta-UAYNr6A-00014-00003159-00003340 standardized ingredients and or eta-UAYNr6A-00015-00003342-00003545 partially prepared foods and supplies to eta-UAYNr6A-00016-00003546-00003704 each restaurant through controlled eta-UAYNr6A-00017-00003704-00004106 supply channels the term fast-food was eta-UAYNr6A-00018-00004107-00004313 recognized in a dictionary by Miriam eta-UAYNr6A-00019-00004314-00004631 Webster in 1951 arguably the first fast eta-UAYNr6A-00020-00004632-00004808 food restaurants originated in the eta-UAYNr6A-00021-00004809-00005097 United States with White Castle in 1921 eta-UAYNr6A-00022-00005098-00005408 today American founded fast-food chains eta-UAYNr6A-00023-00005409-00005884 such as McDonald's s 1940 and KFC s 1952 eta-UAYNr6A-00024-00005885-00006086 are multinational corporations with eta-UAYNr6A-00025-00006087-00006406 outlets across the globe variations on eta-UAYNr6A-00026-00006408-00006631 the fast-food restaurant concept include eta-UAYNr6A-00027-00006633-00006830 fast casual restaurants and catering eta-UAYNr6A-00028-00006831-00007120 trucks fast casual restaurants have eta-UAYNr6A-00029-00007122-00007355 higher sidon ratios offering a hybrid eta-UAYNr6A-00030-00007356-00007531 between counter service typical at eta-UAYNr6A-00031-00007533-00007733 fast-food restaurants and a traditional eta-UAYNr6A-00032-00007734-00008009 table service restaurant catering trucks eta-UAYNr6A-00033-00008009-00008249 also called food trucks often Park just eta-UAYNr6A-00034-00008250-00008444 outside work sites and are popular with eta-UAYNr6A-00035-00008445-00009060 factory workers eta-UAYNr6A-00036-00009061-00009573 topic history eta-UAYNr6A-00037-00009574-00009829 topic united states some traced the eta-UAYNr6A-00038-00009830-00010012 modern history of fast food in the eta-UAYNr6A-00039-00010013-00010192 united states to the seventh of July eta-UAYNr6A-00040-00010193-00010438 1912 with the opening of a fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00041-00010439-00010624 restaurant called the automat in New eta-UAYNr6A-00042-00010625-00010909 York the automat was a cafeteria with eta-UAYNr6A-00043-00010910-00011110 its prepared foods behind small glass eta-UAYNr6A-00044-00011111-00011440 windows and coin-operated slots Joseph eta-UAYNr6A-00045-00011441-00011608 Horne and Frank Hardart had already eta-UAYNr6A-00046-00011609-00011776 opened the first horn and Hardart eta-UAYNr6A-00047-00011777-00012082 automat in Philadelphia in 1902 but eta-UAYNr6A-00048-00012083-00012280 their automat at Broadway and 13th eta-UAYNr6A-00049-00012281-00012474 Street in New York City created a eta-UAYNr6A-00050-00012475-00012771 sensation numerous automat restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-00051-00012772-00012924 were built around the country to deal eta-UAYNr6A-00052-00012925-00013159 with the demand auto mats remained eta-UAYNr6A-00053-00013160-00013366 extremely popular throughout the 1920s eta-UAYNr6A-00054-00013366-00013702 and 1930s the company also popularized eta-UAYNr6A-00055-00013703-00013909 the notion of takeout food with their eta-UAYNr6A-00056-00013910-00014071 slogan less work for mother eta-UAYNr6A-00057-00014072-00014368 some historians concur that a and W eta-UAYNr6A-00058-00014369-00014605 which opened in 1923 and began eta-UAYNr6A-00059-00014606-00014913 franchising in 1926 was the first fast eta-UAYNr6A-00060-00014915-00015094 food restaurant due to their beginnings eta-UAYNr6A-00061-00015094-00015475 as a root beer stand in 1919 e Tavares eta-UAYNr6A-00062-00015476-00015694 most agree that the American company eta-UAYNr6A-00063-00015694-00015877 White Castle was the first fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00064-00015878-00016105 outlet starting in Wichita Kansas in eta-UAYNr6A-00065-00016106-00016372 1916 with food stands and founding in eta-UAYNr6A-00066-00016372-00016653 1921 selling hamburgers for five cents eta-UAYNr6A-00067-00016654-00016837 apiece from its inception and spawning eta-UAYNr6A-00068-00016838-00017116 numerous competitors and emulators what eta-UAYNr6A-00069-00017117-00017319 is certain however is that White Castle eta-UAYNr6A-00070-00017320-00017524 made the first significant effort to eta-UAYNr6A-00071-00017525-00017731 standardize the food production in look eta-UAYNr6A-00072-00017732-00017906 of an operation of fast-food hamburger eta-UAYNr6A-00073-00017907-00018219 restaurants William Ingram's and Walter eta-UAYNr6A-00074-00018220-00018442 Anderson's White Castle system created eta-UAYNr6A-00075-00018443-00018640 the first fast food supply chain to eta-UAYNr6A-00076-00018641-00018871 provide meat buns paper goods and other eta-UAYNr6A-00077-00018872-00019069 supplies to their restaurants pioneered eta-UAYNr6A-00078-00019070-00019285 the concept of the multi-state hamburger eta-UAYNr6A-00079-00019286-00019486 restaurant chain standardized the look eta-UAYNr6A-00080-00019487-00019644 and construction of the restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-00081-00019645-00019803 themselves and even developed a eta-UAYNr6A-00082-00019804-00020008 construction division that manufactured eta-UAYNr6A-00083-00020009-00020194 and built the chains prefabricated eta-UAYNr6A-00084-00020195-00020440 restaurant buildings the McDonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00085-00020441-00020625 speedy service system and much later eta-UAYNr6A-00086-00020626-00020839 rake rocks McDonald's outlets and eta-UAYNr6A-00087-00020840-00021022 hamburger University all built on eta-UAYNr6A-00088-00021023-00021231 principles systems and practices that eta-UAYNr6A-00089-00021232-00021436 White Castle had already established eta-UAYNr6A-00090-00021437-00021691 between 1923 and 1932 eta-UAYNr6A-00091-00021692-00021985 the hamburger restaurant most associated eta-UAYNr6A-00092-00021986-00022189 by the public with the term fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00093-00022190-00022414 was created by two brothers originally eta-UAYNr6A-00094-00022415-00022678 from Nashua New Hampshire Richard and eta-UAYNr6A-00095-00022679-00022867 Maurice McDonald opened a barbecue eta-UAYNr6A-00096-00022868-00022945 drive-in eta-UAYNr6A-00097-00022946-00023173 19:40 in the city of san bernardino eta-UAYNr6A-00098-00023174-00023464 california after discovering that most eta-UAYNr6A-00099-00023465-00023647 of their profits came from hamburgers eta-UAYNr6A-00100-00023648-00023836 the brothers closed their restaurant for eta-UAYNr6A-00101-00023837-00024103 three months and reopened it in 1948 as eta-UAYNr6A-00102-00024104-00024310 a walk-up stand offering a simple menu eta-UAYNr6A-00103-00024311-00024571 of hamburgers french fries shakes coffee eta-UAYNr6A-00104-00024572-00024835 and coca-cola served in disposable paper eta-UAYNr6A-00105-00024836-00025087 wrapping as a result they could produce eta-UAYNr6A-00106-00025088-00025321 hamburgers and fries constantly without eta-UAYNr6A-00107-00025322-00025507 waiting for customer orders and could eta-UAYNr6A-00108-00025508-00025699 serve them immediately hamburgers cost eta-UAYNr6A-00109-00025700-00025933 fifteen cents about half the price at a eta-UAYNr6A-00110-00025933-00026145 typical diner their streamlined eta-UAYNr6A-00111-00026147-00026344 production method which they named the eta-UAYNr6A-00112-00026345-00026548 speedy service system was influenced by eta-UAYNr6A-00113-00026549-00026749 the production line innovations of Henry eta-UAYNr6A-00114-00026750-00027139 Ford by 1954 the McDonald brothers stand eta-UAYNr6A-00115-00027139-00027343 was Restaurant Equipment Manufacturer eta-UAYNr6A-00116-00027344-00027538 prints castles biggest purchaser of eta-UAYNr6A-00117-00027539-00027787 milkshake blending machines prints eta-UAYNr6A-00118-00027788-00028000 Castle salesman Ray Kroc traveled to eta-UAYNr6A-00119-00028001-00028210 California to discover why the company eta-UAYNr6A-00120-00028211-00028381 had purchased almost a dozen of the eta-UAYNr6A-00121-00028382-00028576 unit's as opposed to the normal one or eta-UAYNr6A-00122-00028577-00028744 two found in most restaurants of the eta-UAYNr6A-00123-00028745-00028993 time enticed by the success of the eta-UAYNr6A-00124-00028994-00029194 McDonald's concept Kroc signed a eta-UAYNr6A-00125-00029195-00029362 franchise agreement with the brothers eta-UAYNr6A-00126-00029363-00029563 and began opening McDonald's restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-00127-00029564-00029923 in Illinois by 1961 Kroc had bought out eta-UAYNr6A-00128-00029924-00030091 the brothers and created what is now the eta-UAYNr6A-00129-00030092-00030382 modern McDonald's Corporation one of the eta-UAYNr6A-00130-00030383-00030583 major parts of his business plan was to eta-UAYNr6A-00131-00030583-00030766 promote cleanliness of his restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-00132-00030767-00030955 to growing groups of Americans that had eta-UAYNr6A-00133-00030956-00031170 become aware of food safety issues as eta-UAYNr6A-00134-00031170-00031377 part of his commitment to cleanliness eta-UAYNr6A-00135-00031379-00031630 Kroc often took part in cleaning his own eta-UAYNr6A-00136-00031631-00031861 Des Plaines Illinois outlet by hosing eta-UAYNr6A-00137-00031862-00032050 down the garbage cans and scraping gum eta-UAYNr6A-00138-00032051-00032323 off the cement another concept Kroc eta-UAYNr6A-00139-00032324-00032542 added was great swaths of glass which eta-UAYNr6A-00140-00032543-00032716 enabled the customer to view the food eta-UAYNr6A-00141-00032717-00032929 preparation a practice still found in eta-UAYNr6A-00142-00032930-00033196 chains such as Krispy Kreme a clean eta-UAYNr6A-00143-00033197-00033382 atmosphere was only part of crocks eta-UAYNr6A-00144-00033383-00033607 grander plan which separated McDonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00145-00033608-00033772 from the rest of the competition and eta-UAYNr6A-00146-00033773-00034048 attributes to their great success Kroc eta-UAYNr6A-00147-00034049-00034252 envisioned making his restaurants appeal eta-UAYNr6A-00148-00034253-00034453 to suburban families at roughly the same eta-UAYNr6A-00149-00034454-00034648 time as Kroc was conceiving what eta-UAYNr6A-00150-00034649-00034855 eventually became McDonald's Corporation eta-UAYNr6A-00151-00034856-00035113 to Miami Florida businessmen James eta-UAYNr6A-00152-00035114-00035326 McLemore and David Edgerton opened a eta-UAYNr6A-00153-00035327-00035512 franchise of the predecessor to what is eta-UAYNr6A-00154-00035513-00035671 now the International fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00155-00035672-00035944 restaurant chain Burger King McLemore eta-UAYNr6A-00156-00035945-00036151 had visited the original McDonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00157-00036152-00036295 hamburger stand belonging eta-UAYNr6A-00158-00036296-00036474 to the McDonald brothers sensing eta-UAYNr6A-00159-00036475-00036661 potential in their innovative assembly eta-UAYNr6A-00160-00036662-00036880 line based production system he decided eta-UAYNr6A-00161-00036881-00037093 he wanted to open a similar operation of eta-UAYNr6A-00162-00037094-00037348 his own the two partners eventually eta-UAYNr6A-00163-00037349-00037498 decided to invest their money in eta-UAYNr6A-00164-00037499-00037723 Jacksonville Florida based inste Burger eta-UAYNr6A-00165-00037724-00038077 King originally opened in 1953 the eta-UAYNr6A-00166-00038078-00038290 founders and owners of the chain kieth J eta-UAYNr6A-00167-00038291-00038461 Kramer and his wife's uncle Matthew eta-UAYNr6A-00168-00038462-00038689 burns opened their first stores around a eta-UAYNr6A-00169-00038690-00038865 piece of equipment known as the insta eta-UAYNr6A-00170-00038866-00039168 brawler the insta broiler oven proved so eta-UAYNr6A-00171-00039169-00039352 successful at cooking burgers they eta-UAYNr6A-00172-00039353-00039526 required all of their franchises to eta-UAYNr6A-00173-00039527-00039901 carry the device by 1959 McLemore and eta-UAYNr6A-00174-00039902-00040077 Edgerton were operating several eta-UAYNr6A-00175-00040078-00040302 locations within the miami-dade area and eta-UAYNr6A-00176-00040303-00040564 were growing at a fast clip despite the eta-UAYNr6A-00177-00040565-00040765 success of their operation the partners eta-UAYNr6A-00178-00040766-00040948 discovered that the design of the insta eta-UAYNr6A-00179-00040949-00041131 Brewer made the unit's heating elements eta-UAYNr6A-00180-00041132-00041311 prone to degradation from the drippings eta-UAYNr6A-00181-00041312-00041530 of the beef patties the pair eventually eta-UAYNr6A-00182-00041531-00041773 created a mechanized gas grill that eta-UAYNr6A-00183-00041774-00041968 avoided the problems by changing the way eta-UAYNr6A-00184-00041969-00042146 the meat patties were cooked in the unit eta-UAYNr6A-00185-00042147-00042399 after the original company began to eta-UAYNr6A-00186-00042400-00042664 falter in 1959 it was purchased by eta-UAYNr6A-00187-00042665-00042858 McLemore and Edgerton who renamed the eta-UAYNr6A-00188-00042859-00043062 company Burger King while fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00189-00043063-00043279 restaurants usually have a seating area eta-UAYNr6A-00190-00043280-00043468 in which customers can eat the food on eta-UAYNr6A-00191-00043469-00043654 the premises orders are designed to be eta-UAYNr6A-00192-00043655-00043879 taken away and traditional table service eta-UAYNr6A-00193-00043880-00044158 is rare orders are generally taken and eta-UAYNr6A-00194-00044159-00044337 paid for at a wide counter with the eta-UAYNr6A-00195-00044338-00044506 customer waiting by the counter for a eta-UAYNr6A-00196-00044507-00044733 tray or container for their food a eta-UAYNr6A-00197-00044734-00045015 drive-through service can allow eta-UAYNr6A-00198-00045016-00045232 customers to order and pick up food from eta-UAYNr6A-00199-00045233-00045492 their cars nearly from its inception eta-UAYNr6A-00200-00045493-00045720 fast-food has been designed to be eaten eta-UAYNr6A-00201-00045721-00045990 on the go and often does not require eta-UAYNr6A-00202-00045991-00046183 traditional cutlery and is even as a eta-UAYNr6A-00203-00046184-00046456 finger food common menu items at eta-UAYNr6A-00204-00046457-00046693 fast-food outlets include fish and chips eta-UAYNr6A-00205-00046694-00046951 sandwiches pitas hamburgers Fried eta-UAYNr6A-00206-00046952-00047170 Chicken french fries chicken nuggets eta-UAYNr6A-00207-00047171-00047431 tacos pizza and ice cream although many eta-UAYNr6A-00208-00047432-00047773 fast-food restaurants offer slower foods eta-UAYNr6A-00209-00047774-00048490 like chili mashed potatoes and salads eta-UAYNr6A-00210-00048491-00048987 topic cuisine eta-UAYNr6A-00211-00048988-00049245 modern commercial fast food is highly eta-UAYNr6A-00212-00049246-00049455 processed and prepared on a large scale eta-UAYNr6A-00213-00049456-00049674 from bulk ingredients using standardized eta-UAYNr6A-00214-00049675-00049849 cooking and production methods and eta-UAYNr6A-00215-00049850-00050130 equipment it is usually rapidly served eta-UAYNr6A-00216-00050131-00050401 in cartons bags or in a plastic wrapping eta-UAYNr6A-00217-00050402-00050599 in a fashion which reduces operating eta-UAYNr6A-00218-00050600-00050790 costs by allowing rapid product eta-UAYNr6A-00219-00050791-00050995 identification and counting promoting eta-UAYNr6A-00220-00050996-00051223 longer holding time avoiding transfer of eta-UAYNr6A-00221-00051224-00051417 bacteria and facilitating order eta-UAYNr6A-00222-00051419-00051720 fulfillment in most fast food operations eta-UAYNr6A-00223-00051721-00051919 menu items are generally made from eta-UAYNr6A-00224-00051920-00052095 processed ingredients prepared at eta-UAYNr6A-00225-00052096-00052281 central supply facilities and then eta-UAYNr6A-00226-00052282-00052467 shipped to individual outlets where they eta-UAYNr6A-00227-00052469-00052704 are cooked usually by grill microwave or eta-UAYNr6A-00228-00052705-00052903 deep frying or assembled in a short eta-UAYNr6A-00229-00052904-00053116 amount of time either in anticipation of eta-UAYNr6A-00230-00053116-00053446 upcoming orders ie to stock or in eta-UAYNr6A-00231-00053447-00053763 response to actual orders ie to order eta-UAYNr6A-00232-00053764-00054037 following standard operating procedures eta-UAYNr6A-00233-00054038-00054225 precooked products are monitored for eta-UAYNr6A-00234-00054226-00054412 freshness and disposed of if holding eta-UAYNr6A-00235-00054413-00054679 times become excessive this process eta-UAYNr6A-00236-00054679-00054888 ensures a consistent level of product eta-UAYNr6A-00237-00054889-00055066 quality and is key to delivering the eta-UAYNr6A-00238-00055066-00055237 order quickly to the customer and eta-UAYNr6A-00239-00055238-00055443 avoiding labor and equipment costs in eta-UAYNr6A-00240-00055444-00055704 the individual stores because of eta-UAYNr6A-00241-00055705-00055905 commercial emphasis on taste speed eta-UAYNr6A-00242-00055907-00056173 product safety uniformity and low cost eta-UAYNr6A-00243-00056174-00056338 fast food products are made with eta-UAYNr6A-00244-00056339-00056536 ingredients formulated to achieve an eta-UAYNr6A-00245-00056537-00056813 identifiable flavor aroma texture and eta-UAYNr6A-00246-00056814-00057126 mouthfeel and to preserve freshness and eta-UAYNr6A-00247-00057127-00057286 control handling costs during eta-UAYNr6A-00248-00057287-00057538 preparation and order fulfillment this eta-UAYNr6A-00249-00057539-00057703 requires a high degree of food eta-UAYNr6A-00250-00057704-00057910 engineering the use of additives eta-UAYNr6A-00251-00057911-00058159 including salt sugar flavorings and eta-UAYNr6A-00252-00058160-00058360 preservatives and processing techniques eta-UAYNr6A-00253-00058361-00058551 may limit the nutritional value of the eta-UAYNr6A-00254-00058552-00059107 final product eta-UAYNr6A-00255-00059108-00059619 topic value meals eta-UAYNr6A-00256-00059620-00059883 a value meal as a group of menu items eta-UAYNr6A-00257-00059884-00060084 offered together at a lower price than eta-UAYNr6A-00258-00060085-00060333 they would cost individually a hamburger eta-UAYNr6A-00259-00060334-00060554 side of fries and drink commonly eta-UAYNr6A-00260-00060555-00060801 constitute of value meal or combo eta-UAYNr6A-00261-00060802-00061065 depending on the chain value meals at eta-UAYNr6A-00262-00061066-00061257 fast food restaurants are common as a eta-UAYNr6A-00263-00061258-00061458 merchandising tactic to facilitate eta-UAYNr6A-00264-00061459-00061626 bundling upselling and price eta-UAYNr6A-00265-00061627-00061899 discrimination most of the time they can eta-UAYNr6A-00266-00061900-00062097 be upgraded to a larger side and drink eta-UAYNr6A-00267-00062098-00062379 for a small fee the perceived creation eta-UAYNr6A-00268-00062379-00062700 of a discount on individual menu items eta-UAYNr6A-00269-00062701-00062928 in exchange for the purchase of a meal eta-UAYNr6A-00270-00062929-00063183 is also consistent with the loyalty eta-UAYNr6A-00271-00063184-00063780 marketing school of thought eta-UAYNr6A-00272-00063782-00064316 topic technology eta-UAYNr6A-00273-00064316-00064555 to make quick-service possible and to eta-UAYNr6A-00274-00064557-00064762 ensure accuracy and security many eta-UAYNr6A-00275-00064763-00064969 fast-food restaurants have incorporated eta-UAYNr6A-00276-00064970-00065269 hospitality point-of-sale systems this eta-UAYNr6A-00277-00065270-00065453 makes it possible for kitchen crew eta-UAYNr6A-00278-00065454-00065621 people to view orders placed at the eta-UAYNr6A-00279-00065622-00065776 front counter or drive-through in eta-UAYNr6A-00280-00065777-00066082 real-time wireless systems allow orders eta-UAYNr6A-00281-00066083-00066254 placed at drive-through speakers to be eta-UAYNr6A-00282-00066255-00066466 taken by cashiers and cooks eta-UAYNr6A-00283-00066467-00066625 drive-through and walk through eta-UAYNr6A-00284-00066626-00066826 configurations will allow orders to be eta-UAYNr6A-00285-00066827-00067006 taken at one register and paid at eta-UAYNr6A-00286-00067007-00067300 another modern point-of-sale systems can eta-UAYNr6A-00287-00067301-00067499 operate on computer networks using a eta-UAYNr6A-00288-00067500-00067790 variety of software programs sales eta-UAYNr6A-00289-00067791-00067987 records can be generated and remote eta-UAYNr6A-00290-00067988-00068218 access to computer reports can be given eta-UAYNr6A-00291-00068219-00068393 to corporate offices managers eta-UAYNr6A-00292-00068394-00068591 Troubleshooters and other authorized eta-UAYNr6A-00293-00068592-00068909 personnel food service chains partner eta-UAYNr6A-00294-00068910-00069110 with food equipment manufacturers to eta-UAYNr6A-00295-00069111-00069307 design highly specialized restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-00296-00069308-00069491 equipment often incorporating heat eta-UAYNr6A-00297-00069492-00069718 sensors timers and other electronic eta-UAYNr6A-00298-00069719-00069974 controls into the design collaborative eta-UAYNr6A-00299-00069975-00070178 design techniques such as rapid eta-UAYNr6A-00300-00070179-00070385 visualization and computer-aided design eta-UAYNr6A-00301-00070386-00070562 of restaurant kitchens are now being eta-UAYNr6A-00302-00070563-00070718 used to establish equipment eta-UAYNr6A-00303-00070719-00070916 specifications that are consistent with eta-UAYNr6A-00304-00070917-00071119 restaurant operating and merchandising eta-UAYNr6A-00305-00071120-00071698 requirements eta-UAYNr6A-00306-00071699-00072192 topic business eta-UAYNr6A-00307-00072193-00072536 you eta-UAYNr6A-00308-00072537-00073079 topic consumer spending eta-UAYNr6A-00309-00073080-00073330 in the United States consumers spend eta-UAYNr6A-00310-00073331-00073606 about 110 billion dollars on fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00311-00073607-00073837 in 2000 which increased from six billion eta-UAYNr6A-00312-00073838-00074173 dollars in 1970 the National Restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-00313-00074174-00074435 Association forecasts that fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00314-00074436-00074719 restaurants in the US will reach 142 eta-UAYNr6A-00315-00074720-00075031 billion dollars in sales in 2006 a five eta-UAYNr6A-00316-00075032-00075403 percent increase over 2005 in comparison eta-UAYNr6A-00317-00075404-00075604 the full-service restaurant segment of eta-UAYNr6A-00318-00075605-00075772 the food industry is expected to eta-UAYNr6A-00319-00075773-00076086 generate 173 billion dollars in sales eta-UAYNr6A-00320-00076087-00076342 fast food has been losing market share eta-UAYNr6A-00321-00076343-00076591 to so-called fast casual restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-00322-00076592-00076792 which offer more robust and expensive eta-UAYNr6A-00323-00076793-00077328 cuisines eta-UAYNr6A-00324-00077329-00077944 topic major international brands eta-UAYNr6A-00325-00077945-00078231 McDonald's a fast-food supplier opened eta-UAYNr6A-00326-00078232-00078417 its first franchised restaurant in the eta-UAYNr6A-00327-00078418-00078924 US in 1955 1974 in the UK it has become eta-UAYNr6A-00328-00078925-00079143 a phenomenally successful enterprise in eta-UAYNr6A-00329-00079144-00079337 terms of financial growth brand name eta-UAYNr6A-00330-00079338-00079635 recognition and worldwide expansion Ray eta-UAYNr6A-00331-00079636-00079842 Kroc who bought the franchising license eta-UAYNr6A-00332-00079843-00080028 from the McDonald brothers pioneered eta-UAYNr6A-00333-00080029-00080168 concepts which emphasized eta-UAYNr6A-00334-00080169-00080460 standardization he introduced uniform eta-UAYNr6A-00335-00080461-00080681 products identical in all respects at eta-UAYNr6A-00336-00080682-00080991 each outlet to increase sales Kroc also eta-UAYNr6A-00337-00080992-00081206 insisted on cutting food costs as much eta-UAYNr6A-00338-00081207-00081399 as possible eventually using the eta-UAYNr6A-00339-00081400-00081609 McDonald's Corporation size to force eta-UAYNr6A-00340-00081610-00081828 suppliers to conform to this ethos other eta-UAYNr6A-00341-00081829-00082029 prominent international fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00342-00082030-00082254 companies include Burger King the number eta-UAYNr6A-00343-00082255-00082455 two hamburger chain in the world known eta-UAYNr6A-00344-00082456-00082625 for promoting its customized menu eta-UAYNr6A-00345-00082626-00082854 offerings have it your way another eta-UAYNr6A-00346-00082855-00083118 international fast-food chain as KFC eta-UAYNr6A-00347-00083119-00083337 which sells chicken related products and eta-UAYNr6A-00348-00083338-00083535 as the number one fast food company in eta-UAYNr6A-00349-00083536-00083792 the People's Republic of China eta-UAYNr6A-00350-00083793-00084018 multinational corporations typically eta-UAYNr6A-00351-00084019-00084210 modify their menus to cater to local eta-UAYNr6A-00352-00084211-00084435 tastes and most overseas outlets are eta-UAYNr6A-00353-00084436-00084729 owned by native franchisees McDonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00354-00084730-00084954 in India for example uses chicken and eta-UAYNr6A-00355-00084955-00085134 paneer rather than beef and pork in eta-UAYNr6A-00356-00085135-00085290 their burgers because Hinduism eta-UAYNr6A-00357-00085291-00085499 traditionally forbids eating beef in eta-UAYNr6A-00358-00085500-00085755 Israel some McDonald's restaurants are eta-UAYNr6A-00359-00085756-00085929 kosher and respect the Jewish Shabbat eta-UAYNr6A-00360-00085930-00086144 there is also a kosher McDonald's in eta-UAYNr6A-00361-00086145-00086465 Argentina in Egypt Bangladesh Indonesia eta-UAYNr6A-00362-00086466-00086813 Morocco Saudi Arabia Malaysia Pakistan eta-UAYNr6A-00363-00086814-00087215 and Singapore all menu items are halal eta-UAYNr6A-00364-00087216-00087464 topic north america many fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00365-00087465-00087683 operations have more local and regional eta-UAYNr6A-00366-00087684-00087899 routes such as White Castle in the eta-UAYNr6A-00367-00087900-00088070 Midwest United States along with eta-UAYNr6A-00368-00088071-00088328 Hardee's owned by cke restaurants which eta-UAYNr6A-00369-00088329-00088577 also owns Carl's jr. whose locations are eta-UAYNr6A-00370-00088578-00088763 primarily on the United States west eta-UAYNr6A-00371-00088764-00089018 coast Krystal Bojangles famous chicken eta-UAYNr6A-00372-00089019-00089207 and biscuits cookout and Zaxby's eta-UAYNr6A-00373-00089208-00089429 restaurants in the American southeast eta-UAYNr6A-00374-00089430-00089633 Raising Cane's in Louisiana and other eta-UAYNr6A-00375-00089634-00089855 mostly southern states hot and now in eta-UAYNr6A-00376-00089856-00090074 Michigan and Wisconsin in-n-out burger eta-UAYNr6A-00377-00090075-00090389 in California Arizona Nevada Utah and eta-UAYNr6A-00378-00090390-00090614 Texas and original Tommy's chains in eta-UAYNr6A-00379-00090615-00090827 Southern California Dick's drive-in in eta-UAYNr6A-00380-00090828-00091046 Seattle Washington and Arctic Circle in eta-UAYNr6A-00381-00091047-00091262 Utah and other western states halo eta-UAYNr6A-00382-00091263-00091430 burger around Flint Michigan and eta-UAYNr6A-00383-00091431-00091612 Burgerville in the Portland Oregon area eta-UAYNr6A-00384-00091613-00091928 also what a burger is a popular burger eta-UAYNr6A-00385-00091929-00092084 chain in the American South and eta-UAYNr6A-00386-00092085-00092291 jack-in-the-box is located in the west eta-UAYNr6A-00387-00092292-00092597 and south Canada pizza chains toppers eta-UAYNr6A-00388-00092598-00092801 pizza and pizza pizza are primarily eta-UAYNr6A-00389-00092802-00093134 located in Ontario coffee chain country eta-UAYNr6A-00390-00093135-00093356 style operates only in Ontario and eta-UAYNr6A-00391-00093357-00093533 competes with the famous coffee and eta-UAYNr6A-00392-00093534-00093677 donut chain Tim Hortons eta-UAYNr6A-00393-00093678-00093917 made write restaurant as one of the eta-UAYNr6A-00394-00093918-00094121 oldest chain fast-food restaurants in eta-UAYNr6A-00395-00094122-00094490 the United States founded in 1926 their eta-UAYNr6A-00396-00094491-00094775 specialty is a loose meat hamburger made eta-UAYNr6A-00397-00094776-00094922 rights can be found in the Midwest eta-UAYNr6A-00398-00094923-00095198 mainly Iowa Minnesota Illinois and eta-UAYNr6A-00399-00095199-00095501 Missouri international brands dominant eta-UAYNr6A-00400-00095502-00095708 in North America include McDonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00401-00095709-00095930 Burger King and Wendy's the number three eta-UAYNr6A-00402-00095931-00096200 burger chain in the USA Dunkin Donuts a eta-UAYNr6A-00403-00096201-00096389 New England based chain automobile eta-UAYNr6A-00404-00096390-00096620 oriented sonic drive-ins from Oklahoma eta-UAYNr6A-00405-00096621-00096665 City eta-UAYNr6A-00406-00096666-00096944 Starbucks Seattle born coffee based fast eta-UAYNr6A-00407-00096945-00097220 food beverage corporation KFC and Taco eta-UAYNr6A-00408-00097221-00097430 Bell which are both part of the largest eta-UAYNr6A-00409-00097431-00097639 restaurant conglomerate in the world Yum eta-UAYNr6A-00410-00097640-00097967 Brands and Domino's Pizza a pizza chain eta-UAYNr6A-00411-00097968-00098171 known for popularizing home delivery of eta-UAYNr6A-00412-00098172-00098453 fast-food subway is known for their sub eta-UAYNr6A-00413-00098454-00098591 sandwiches and are the largest eta-UAYNr6A-00414-00098592-00098777 restaurant chain to serve such food eta-UAYNr6A-00415-00098778-00098834 items eta-UAYNr6A-00416-00098835-00099122 Quiznos a Denver based sub shop as eta-UAYNr6A-00417-00099123-00099338 another fast-growing sub chain yet with eta-UAYNr6A-00418-00099339-00099572 over 6,000 locations it is still far eta-UAYNr6A-00419-00099573-00099917 behind Subway's 34,000 locations other eta-UAYNr6A-00420-00099918-00100196 smaller sub shops include blimpy Jersey eta-UAYNr6A-00421-00100197-00100448 Mike's Subs mr. good cents Jimmy John's eta-UAYNr6A-00422-00100449-00100592 and firehouse eta-UAYNr6A-00423-00100593-00100901 anw restaurants was originally a United eta-UAYNr6A-00424-00100902-00101141 States and Canada fast-food brand but it eta-UAYNr6A-00425-00101142-00101345 is currently an international fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00426-00101346-00101560 corporation in several countries in eta-UAYNr6A-00427-00101561-00101843 Canada the majority of fast food chains eta-UAYNr6A-00428-00101844-00102035 are American owned or were originally eta-UAYNr6A-00429-00102036-00102226 American owned but have since set up a eta-UAYNr6A-00430-00102227-00102394 Canadian management headquarters eta-UAYNr6A-00431-00102395-00102643 locations such as Panera Bread Chipotle eta-UAYNr6A-00432-00102644-00102916 Mexican Grill Five Guys and Carl's jr. eta-UAYNr6A-00433-00102917-00103178 although the case is usually American eta-UAYNr6A-00434-00103179-00103405 fast food chains expanding into Canada eta-UAYNr6A-00435-00103406-00103636 Canadian chains such as Tim Hortons have eta-UAYNr6A-00436-00103638-00103885 expanded into 22 states in the United eta-UAYNr6A-00437-00103886-00104078 States but are more prominent in border eta-UAYNr6A-00438-00104079-00104359 states such as New York and Michigan Tim eta-UAYNr6A-00439-00104360-00104552 Hortons has started to expand to other eta-UAYNr6A-00440-00104553-00104761 countries outside of North America the eta-UAYNr6A-00441-00104763-00105083 pita pit franchise originated in Canada eta-UAYNr6A-00442-00105083-00105278 and has expanded to the United States eta-UAYNr6A-00443-00105279-00105566 and other countries the Canadian Extreme eta-UAYNr6A-00444-00105567-00105794 Pita franchise sells low fat and salt eta-UAYNr6A-00445-00105795-00105971 pita sandwiches with stores in the eta-UAYNr6A-00446-00105972-00106268 larger Canadian cities other Canadian eta-UAYNr6A-00447-00106269-00106508 fast-food chains such as Mantua eta-UAYNr6A-00448-00106508-00106718 served North American style Asian foods eta-UAYNr6A-00449-00106719-00106973 this company is located mainly in Canada eta-UAYNr6A-00450-00106974-00107174 and the US with other outlets on US eta-UAYNr6A-00451-00107175-00107389 military bases on other continents eta-UAYNr6A-00452-00107390-00107641 Harvey's is a Canadian only burger eta-UAYNr6A-00453-00107642-00107813 restaurant chain present in every eta-UAYNr6A-00454-00107814-00108349 province eta-UAYNr6A-00455-00108350-00108858 topic Australia eta-UAYNr6A-00456-00108859-00109124 Australia's fast food market began in eta-UAYNr6A-00457-00109125-00109352 the early 1970s with the opening of eta-UAYNr6A-00458-00109353-00109558 several American franchises including eta-UAYNr6A-00459-00109559-00109865 McDonald's and KFC Pizza Hut was eta-UAYNr6A-00460-00109866-00110090 introduced in the 1980s and Burger King eta-UAYNr6A-00461-00110091-00110174 followed eta-UAYNr6A-00462-00110175-00110426 however the Burger King market found eta-UAYNr6A-00463-00110427-00110611 that this name was already a registered eta-UAYNr6A-00464-00110613-00110816 trademark to a takeaway food shop in eta-UAYNr6A-00465-00110817-00111116 Adelaide thus the Burger King Australian eta-UAYNr6A-00466-00111117-00111286 market was forced to pick another name eta-UAYNr6A-00467-00111288-00111499 selecting the Hungry Jacks brand name eta-UAYNr6A-00468-00111500-00111791 prior to this the Australian fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00469-00111792-00112013 market consisted primarily of privately eta-UAYNr6A-00470-00112014-00112619 owned takeaway shops eta-UAYNr6A-00471-00112620-00112993 topic united kingdom eta-UAYNr6A-00472-00112994-00113139 you eta-UAYNr6A-00473-00113140-00113388 the United Kingdom's signature type of eta-UAYNr6A-00474-00113389-00113604 fast-food restaurant as a fish and chip eta-UAYNr6A-00475-00113605-00113834 shop which specializes in fish and chips eta-UAYNr6A-00476-00113835-00114057 and also other foods such as kebabs and eta-UAYNr6A-00477-00114058-00114351 burgers fish and chip shops are usually eta-UAYNr6A-00478-00114352-00114594 owned independently many other types of eta-UAYNr6A-00479-00114595-00114801 home-based fast food operations were eta-UAYNr6A-00480-00114802-00115079 closed in the 1970s and 1980s after eta-UAYNr6A-00481-00115080-00115293 McDonald's became the number one outlet eta-UAYNr6A-00482-00115294-00115371 in the market eta-UAYNr6A-00483-00115372-00115650 however brands like wimpy still remain eta-UAYNr6A-00484-00115651-00115857 although the majority of branches became eta-UAYNr6A-00485-00115858-00116519 Burger King in 1989 eta-UAYNr6A-00486-00116520-00116991 topic Ireland eta-UAYNr6A-00487-00116992-00117231 in addition to homegrown chains such as eta-UAYNr6A-00488-00117232-00117483 Super Max numerous American chains such eta-UAYNr6A-00489-00117483-00117681 as McDonald's and Burger King have also eta-UAYNr6A-00490-00117682-00117947 established a presence in Ireland in eta-UAYNr6A-00491-00117948-00118224 2015 a study developed by treated eta-UAYNr6A-00492-00118225-00118433 dot-com was published in the Irish Times eta-UAYNr6A-00493-00118434-00118665 which named swords in County Dublin as eta-UAYNr6A-00494-00118666-00119303 Ireland's fast-food capital eta-UAYNr6A-00495-00119304-00119785 topic Japan eta-UAYNr6A-00496-00119786-00120069 American chains such as Domino's Pizza eta-UAYNr6A-00497-00120070-00120372 McDonald's Pizza Hut and KFC have a big eta-UAYNr6A-00498-00120373-00120600 presence in Japan but local gluten eta-UAYNr6A-00499-00120601-00120807 chains such as sukhiya Matsuya and eta-UAYNr6A-00500-00120808-00121125 Yoshinoya also blanket the country Japan eta-UAYNr6A-00501-00121126-00121371 has its own burger chains including MOS eta-UAYNr6A-00502-00121372-00122089 burger Lotteria and freshness burger eta-UAYNr6A-00503-00122090-00122553 topic India eta-UAYNr6A-00504-00122554-00122802 the major fast-food chains in India eta-UAYNr6A-00505-00122803-00123030 which serve European American food are eta-UAYNr6A-00506-00123031-00123333 KFC McDonald's Starbucks Burger King eta-UAYNr6A-00507-00123333-00123678 Subway Pizza Hut and Domino's most of eta-UAYNr6A-00508-00123679-00123858 these have had to make a lot of changes eta-UAYNr6A-00509-00123858-00124023 to their standard menus to cater to eta-UAYNr6A-00510-00124024-00124256 Indian food habits and taste preferences eta-UAYNr6A-00511-00124257-00124548 some emerging Indian food chains include eta-UAYNr6A-00512-00124549-00124886 Wow Momo Hal Durham's faso's chick king eta-UAYNr6A-00513-00124888-00125258 pit stop and Cafe Coffee Day food habits eta-UAYNr6A-00514-00125259-00125475 vary widely across states within India eta-UAYNr6A-00515-00125476-00125766 while typical idli dosa is fast-food in eta-UAYNr6A-00516-00125767-00125982 southern India in Maharashtra it is eta-UAYNr6A-00517-00125983-00126321 Missal pav pav Bhajji poha etc further eta-UAYNr6A-00518-00126322-00126576 north and punjab haryana chhola bhatoora eta-UAYNr6A-00519-00126577-00126765 are very popular and in bihar jharkhand eta-UAYNr6A-00520-00126766-00127067 leet each oka as their staple fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00521-00127068-00127310 maintaining consistency in taste and eta-UAYNr6A-00522-00127311-00127500 texture of Indian fast food as a eta-UAYNr6A-00523-00127501-00127683 challenge and hence local chains are eta-UAYNr6A-00524-00127683-00128376 emerging armed with new food technology eta-UAYNr6A-00525-00128377-00128872 topic Nigeria eta-UAYNr6A-00526-00128873-00129172 in Nigeria mr. BIG's chicken republic eta-UAYNr6A-00527-00129173-00129397 tantalizer x' and tasty fried chicken eta-UAYNr6A-00528-00129398-00129633 are the predominant fast-food chains eta-UAYNr6A-00529-00129633-00129916 KFC and Domino's Pizza have recently eta-UAYNr6A-00530-00129917-00130452 entered the country eta-UAYNr6A-00531-00130453-00130950 topic Pakistan eta-UAYNr6A-00532-00130951-00131258 fast-food in Pakistan varies there are eta-UAYNr6A-00533-00131259-00131468 many international chains serving fast eta-UAYNr6A-00534-00131469-00131728 food including Nando's Burger King KFC eta-UAYNr6A-00535-00131729-00132044 McDonald's Domino's Pizza fat burger eta-UAYNr6A-00536-00132045-00132325 Dunkin Donuts Subway Pizza Hut Hardee's eta-UAYNr6A-00537-00132326-00132593 Televisa steak escape and Gloria Jean's eta-UAYNr6A-00538-00132594-00132886 coffees in addition to the international eta-UAYNr6A-00539-00132887-00133090 chains in local cuisine people in eta-UAYNr6A-00540-00133091-00133343 Pakistan like to have biryani bun kebabs eta-UAYNr6A-00541-00133344-00134136 nihari kebab rolls etc as fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00542-00134137-00134600 topic Russia eta-UAYNr6A-00543-00134601-00134870 most international fast-food chains like eta-UAYNr6A-00544-00134871-00135152 Subway McDonald's Burger King etc are eta-UAYNr6A-00545-00135153-00135344 represented in major Russian cities eta-UAYNr6A-00546-00135345-00135620 there are also local chains like Tara eta-UAYNr6A-00547-00135621-00135839 Mok specializing in Russian cuisine or eta-UAYNr6A-00548-00135840-00136003 having elements of it added into their eta-UAYNr6A-00549-00136004-00136524 menu eta-UAYNr6A-00550-00136525-00137057 topic South Africa eta-UAYNr6A-00551-00137058-00137361 KFC is the most popular fast-food chain eta-UAYNr6A-00552-00137362-00137586 in South Africa according to a 2010 eta-UAYNr6A-00553-00137587-00137922 Sunday Times survey chicken licken wimpy eta-UAYNr6A-00554-00137923-00138135 and ocean basket along with Nando's and eta-UAYNr6A-00555-00138136-00138299 steers are examples of homegrown eta-UAYNr6A-00556-00138300-00138471 franchises that are highly popular eta-UAYNr6A-00557-00138472-00138798 within the country McDonald's subway and eta-UAYNr6A-00558-00138799-00138974 Pizza Hut have a significant presence eta-UAYNr6A-00559-00138975-00139587 within South Africa eta-UAYNr6A-00560-00139588-00140083 topic Hong Kong eta-UAYNr6A-00561-00140084-00140352 in Hong Kong although McDonald's and KFC eta-UAYNr6A-00562-00140353-00140644 are quite popular three major local fast eta-UAYNr6A-00563-00140645-00140896 food chains provide Hong kong-style fast eta-UAYNr6A-00564-00140897-00141169 food namely Cafe de coral Fairwood and eta-UAYNr6A-00565-00141170-00141535 Maxim MX cafe de coral alone serves more eta-UAYNr6A-00566-00141536-00141859 than 300,000 customers daily unlike eta-UAYNr6A-00567-00141860-00142038 Western fast-food chains these eta-UAYNr6A-00568-00142039-00142248 restaurants offer four different menus eta-UAYNr6A-00569-00142249-00142416 at different times of the day namely eta-UAYNr6A-00570-00142417-00142720 breakfast lunch afternoon tea and dinner eta-UAYNr6A-00571-00142721-00143083 su-mei is offered throughout the day dai eta-UAYNr6A-00572-00143084-00143320 Padang and traditional Hong Kong street eta-UAYNr6A-00573-00143321-00143521 food may be considered close relatives eta-UAYNr6A-00574-00143522-00144189 of the conventional fast food outlet eta-UAYNr6A-00575-00144190-00144666 topic Israel eta-UAYNr6A-00576-00144667-00144930 in Israel local burger chain burger eta-UAYNr6A-00577-00144931-00145140 ranch is popular as our McDonald's and eta-UAYNr6A-00578-00145141-00145434 Burger King Domino's Pizza is also a eta-UAYNr6A-00579-00145435-00145704 popular fast-food restaurant chains like eta-UAYNr6A-00580-00145705-00145962 McDonald's offer kosher branches non eta-UAYNr6A-00581-00145963-00146178 kosher foods such as cheeseburgers are eta-UAYNr6A-00582-00146179-00146433 rare in Israeli fast-food chains even in eta-UAYNr6A-00583-00146434-00146712 non kosher branches there are many small eta-UAYNr6A-00584-00146713-00146931 local fast-food chains that serve pizza eta-UAYNr6A-00585-00146932-00147207 hamburgers sushi and local foods such as eta-UAYNr6A-00586-00147208-00147864 hummus falafel and shawarma eta-UAYNr6A-00587-00147865-00148359 topic New Zealand eta-UAYNr6A-00588-00148360-00148587 in New Zealand the fast food market eta-UAYNr6A-00589-00148588-00149022 began in the 1970s with KFC opened 1971 eta-UAYNr6A-00590-00149023-00149117 Pizza Hut eta-UAYNr6A-00591-00149118-00149508 1974 and McDonald's 1976 and all three eta-UAYNr6A-00592-00149509-00149790 remained popular today Burger King and eta-UAYNr6A-00593-00149791-00149982 Domino's entered the market later in the eta-UAYNr6A-00594-00149983-00150357 1990s Australian pizza chains Eagle Boys eta-UAYNr6A-00595-00150358-00150588 and Pizza Haven also entered the market eta-UAYNr6A-00596-00150589-00150798 in the 1990s but their New Zealand eta-UAYNr6A-00597-00150799-00150996 operations were later sold to Pizza Hut eta-UAYNr6A-00598-00150997-00151347 and Domino's a few fast-food chains have eta-UAYNr6A-00599-00151348-00151497 been founded in New Zealand including eta-UAYNr6A-00600-00151498-00151842 burger fuel founded 1995 Georgie pie eta-UAYNr6A-00601-00151843-00152208 founded 1977 that closed 1998 after eta-UAYNr6A-00602-00152209-00152418 falling into financial trouble and being eta-UAYNr6A-00603-00152419-00152622 bought out by McDonald's and Hell Pizza eta-UAYNr6A-00604-00152623-00153259 founded 1996 eta-UAYNr6A-00605-00153260-00153758 topic Philippines eta-UAYNr6A-00606-00153759-00154007 in the Philippines fast food is the same eta-UAYNr6A-00607-00154008-00154310 as in the US however the only difference eta-UAYNr6A-00608-00154311-00154514 is that they serve Filipino dishes and a eta-UAYNr6A-00609-00154515-00154697 few American products being served eta-UAYNr6A-00610-00154698-00154991 Filipino style Jollibee is the leading eta-UAYNr6A-00611-00154992-00155252 fast food chain in the country with 1000 eta-UAYNr6A-00612-00155253-00155832 stores nationwide eta-UAYNr6A-00613-00155833-00156329 topic franchising eta-UAYNr6A-00614-00156330-00156554 a fast-food chain restaurant is eta-UAYNr6A-00615-00156555-00156723 generally owned either by the parent eta-UAYNr6A-00616-00156724-00156909 company of the fast-food chain or a eta-UAYNr6A-00617-00156910-00157143 franchisee an independent party given eta-UAYNr6A-00618-00157144-00157289 the right to use the company's trademark eta-UAYNr6A-00619-00157290-00157586 and trade name in the latter case a eta-UAYNr6A-00620-00157587-00157799 contract is made between the franchisee eta-UAYNr6A-00621-00157800-00157961 and the parent company typically eta-UAYNr6A-00622-00157962-00158150 requiring the franchisee to pay an eta-UAYNr6A-00623-00158151-00158322 initial fixed fee in addition to a eta-UAYNr6A-00624-00158323-00158543 continual percentage of monthly sales eta-UAYNr6A-00625-00158544-00158844 upon opening for business the franchisee eta-UAYNr6A-00626-00158845-00159048 oversees the day-to-day operations of eta-UAYNr6A-00627-00159049-00159231 the restaurant and acts as a manager of eta-UAYNr6A-00628-00159232-00159543 the store once the contract expires the eta-UAYNr6A-00629-00159544-00159773 parent company may choose to renew the eta-UAYNr6A-00630-00159774-00160013 contract sell the franchise to another eta-UAYNr6A-00631-00160014-00160248 franchisee or operate the restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-00632-00160249-00160581 itself in most fast-food chains the eta-UAYNr6A-00633-00160582-00160794 number of franchised locations exceeds eta-UAYNr6A-00634-00160795-00161011 the number of company owned locations eta-UAYNr6A-00635-00161012-00161339 fast food chains rely on consistency and eta-UAYNr6A-00636-00161340-00161571 uniformity in internal operations and eta-UAYNr6A-00637-00161572-00161726 brand image across all of their eta-UAYNr6A-00638-00161727-00161922 restaurant locations in order to convey eta-UAYNr6A-00639-00161923-00162084 a sense of reliability to their eta-UAYNr6A-00640-00162085-00162333 customers this sense of reliability eta-UAYNr6A-00641-00162334-00162495 coupled with a positive customer eta-UAYNr6A-00642-00162496-00162720 experience brings customers to place eta-UAYNr6A-00643-00162721-00162996 trust in the company this sense of trust eta-UAYNr6A-00644-00162997-00163182 leads to increased customer loyalty eta-UAYNr6A-00645-00163183-00163368 which gives the company a source of eta-UAYNr6A-00646-00163369-00163616 recurring business when a person is eta-UAYNr6A-00647-00163617-00163760 presented with a choice of different eta-UAYNr6A-00648-00163761-00163937 restaurants to eat it it is much easier eta-UAYNr6A-00649-00163938-00164097 for them to stick with what they know eta-UAYNr6A-00650-00164098-00164295 rather than to take a gamble and dive eta-UAYNr6A-00651-00164296-00164469 into the unknown due to the importance eta-UAYNr6A-00652-00164470-00164666 of consistency most companies set eta-UAYNr6A-00653-00164667-00164837 standards unifying their various eta-UAYNr6A-00654-00164838-00165011 restaurant locations with a set of eta-UAYNr6A-00655-00165012-00165287 common rules and regulations parent eta-UAYNr6A-00656-00165288-00165456 companies often rely on field eta-UAYNr6A-00657-00165457-00165629 representatives to ensure that the eta-UAYNr6A-00658-00165630-00165839 practices of franchised locations are eta-UAYNr6A-00659-00165840-00166022 consistent with the company's standards eta-UAYNr6A-00660-00166023-00166323 however the more locations a fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00661-00166324-00166502 chain has the harder it is for the eta-UAYNr6A-00662-00166503-00166673 parent company to guarantee that these eta-UAYNr6A-00663-00166674-00166937 standards are being followed moreover it eta-UAYNr6A-00664-00166938-00167138 is much more expensive to discharge a eta-UAYNr6A-00665-00167139-00167315 franchisee for non-compliance with eta-UAYNr6A-00666-00167316-00167469 company standards than it is to eta-UAYNr6A-00667-00167470-00167634 discharge an employee for that same eta-UAYNr6A-00668-00167635-00167934 reason as a consequence parent companies eta-UAYNr6A-00669-00167935-00168144 tend to deal with franchisee violations eta-UAYNr6A-00670-00168145-00168353 in a more relaxed manner many companies eta-UAYNr6A-00671-00168354-00168539 also adapt to their different local eta-UAYNr6A-00672-00168540-00168693 areas to support the needs of the eta-UAYNr6A-00673-00168694-00168998 customers sometimes it is necessary for eta-UAYNr6A-00674-00168999-00169185 a franchisee to modify the way the eta-UAYNr6A-00675-00169186-00169361 restaurant store runs to meet the needs eta-UAYNr6A-00676-00169362-00169536 of local customers eta-UAYNr6A-00677-00169537-00169827 as referenced in bodis localization and eta-UAYNr6A-00678-00169828-00170040 customer retention for franchised eta-UAYNr6A-00679-00170041-00170370 service systems article JL Braddock eta-UAYNr6A-00680-00170371-00170538 claims that a franchise will either use eta-UAYNr6A-00681-00170539-00170825 the tactical or strategic local response eta-UAYNr6A-00682-00170826-00171057 tactical applies to accounting for eta-UAYNr6A-00683-00171058-00171258 hiring of personnel and suppliers as eta-UAYNr6A-00684-00171259-00171459 well as financial decisions to adapt to eta-UAYNr6A-00685-00171460-00171789 the local customers strategic applies to eta-UAYNr6A-00686-00171790-00171966 the specific characteristics of the eta-UAYNr6A-00687-00171967-00172122 franchise that will change from the eta-UAYNr6A-00688-00172123-00172341 basic format followed by all to fit in eta-UAYNr6A-00689-00172342-00172563 the local area for the most part someone eta-UAYNr6A-00690-00172564-00172737 visiting a McDonald's in the United eta-UAYNr6A-00691-00172738-00172929 States will have the same experience as eta-UAYNr6A-00692-00172930-00173124 someone visiting a McDonald's in Japan eta-UAYNr6A-00693-00173125-00173433 the interior design the menu the speed eta-UAYNr6A-00694-00173434-00173598 of service and the taste of the food eta-UAYNr6A-00695-00173599-00173886 will all be very similar however some eta-UAYNr6A-00696-00173887-00174066 differences do exist to tailor to eta-UAYNr6A-00697-00174067-00174327 particular cultural differences for eta-UAYNr6A-00698-00174328-00174624 example in October 2005 during a midst eta-UAYNr6A-00699-00174625-00174798 of plummeting sales in Japan eta-UAYNr6A-00700-00174799-00174999 McDonald's added a shrimp burger to the eta-UAYNr6A-00701-00175000-00175284 Japanese menu the choice to introduce a eta-UAYNr6A-00702-00175285-00175490 shrimp burger was no coincidence as a eta-UAYNr6A-00703-00175491-00175770 1989 study stated that world consumption eta-UAYNr6A-00704-00175771-00176157 of shrimp was led by Japan in March 2010 eta-UAYNr6A-00705-00176158-00176346 Taco Bell opened their first restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-00706-00176347-00176652 in India because non consumption of beef eta-UAYNr6A-00707-00176653-00176847 as a cultural norm in light of India's eta-UAYNr6A-00708-00176848-00177072 dharmic beliefs Taco Bell had to tailor eta-UAYNr6A-00709-00177073-00177279 its menu to the dietary distinctions of eta-UAYNr6A-00710-00177280-00177483 Indian culture by replacing all of the eta-UAYNr6A-00711-00177484-00177711 beef with chicken by the same token eta-UAYNr6A-00712-00177712-00177903 completely meatless options were eta-UAYNr6A-00713-00177904-00178059 introduced to the menu due to the eta-UAYNr6A-00714-00178060-00178239 prevalence of vegetarianism throughout eta-UAYNr6A-00715-00178240-00178806 the country eta-UAYNr6A-00716-00178807-00179301 topic trends eta-UAYNr6A-00717-00179302-00179638 you eta-UAYNr6A-00718-00179639-00180290 topic health concerns some of the large eta-UAYNr6A-00719-00180291-00180468 fast food chains are beginning to eta-UAYNr6A-00720-00180469-00180672 incorporate healthier alternatives in eta-UAYNr6A-00721-00180673-00180732 their menu eta-UAYNr6A-00722-00180733-00181004 eg white meat snack wraps salads and eta-UAYNr6A-00723-00181005-00181293 fresh fruit however some people see eta-UAYNr6A-00724-00181294-00181463 these moves as a tokenistic and eta-UAYNr6A-00725-00181464-00181613 commercial measure rather than an eta-UAYNr6A-00726-00181614-00181829 appropriate reaction to ethical concerns eta-UAYNr6A-00727-00181830-00182015 about the world ecology and people's eta-UAYNr6A-00728-00182016-00182259 health McDonald's announced that in eta-UAYNr6A-00729-00182260-00182496 March 2006 the chain would include eta-UAYNr6A-00730-00182497-00182718 nutritional information on the packaging eta-UAYNr6A-00731-00182719-00182924 of all of its products in September and eta-UAYNr6A-00732-00182925-00183135 October 2000 during the StarLink corn eta-UAYNr6A-00733-00183136-00183374 recalls up to 50 million dollars worth eta-UAYNr6A-00734-00183375-00183558 of corn based foods were recalled from eta-UAYNr6A-00735-00183559-00183824 restaurants as well as supermarkets the eta-UAYNr6A-00736-00183825-00184040 products contained StarLink genetically eta-UAYNr6A-00737-00184041-00184233 modified corn that was not approved for eta-UAYNr6A-00738-00184234-00184494 human consumption it was the first-ever eta-UAYNr6A-00739-00184495-00184715 recall of a genetically modified food eta-UAYNr6A-00740-00184716-00184937 the environmental group Friends of the eta-UAYNr6A-00741-00184938-00185087 Earth that had first detected the eta-UAYNr6A-00742-00185088-00185283 contaminated shelves was critical of the eta-UAYNr6A-00743-00185284-00185649 FDA for not doing its own job fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00744-00185650-00185813 is commonly blamed for the obesity eta-UAYNr6A-00745-00185814-00186198 epidemic in the United States today 60% eta-UAYNr6A-00746-00186199-00186377 of Americans today are either overweight eta-UAYNr6A-00747-00186378-00186669 or obese with obesity especially being eta-UAYNr6A-00748-00186670-00186851 seen among children places like eta-UAYNr6A-00749-00186852-00187020 McDonald's and other fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00750-00187021-00187194 restaurants take the majority of the eta-UAYNr6A-00751-00187195-00187475 blame 34 percent of children and eta-UAYNr6A-00752-00187476-00187698 adolescents consume fast food on any eta-UAYNr6A-00753-00187699-00187947 given day while 80% of children claim eta-UAYNr6A-00754-00187948-00188118 that McDonald's is their favorite place eta-UAYNr6A-00755-00188119-00188354 to eat it the number of children and eta-UAYNr6A-00756-00188355-00188559 adolescents as well as adults eating out eta-UAYNr6A-00757-00188560-00188772 everyday has only seemed to progress and eta-UAYNr6A-00758-00188773-00189060 rise research concludes that children eta-UAYNr6A-00759-00189061-00189282 and adolescents ranging from 12 to 19 eta-UAYNr6A-00760-00189283-00189474 years old consumed twice as many eta-UAYNr6A-00761-00189475-00189701 calories from fast-food restaurants than eta-UAYNr6A-00762-00189702-00189962 children ranging from 2 to 11 years old eta-UAYNr6A-00763-00189963-00190202 the FDA found that trans fats raises the eta-UAYNr6A-00764-00190203-00190386 amount of cholesterol in blood which eta-UAYNr6A-00765-00190387-00190572 raises the chance of developing heart eta-UAYNr6A-00766-00190573-00190724 disease which is known as one of the eta-UAYNr6A-00767-00190725-00190935 leading causes of death in the u.s. in a eta-UAYNr6A-00768-00190936-00191162 recent study it was found that 11 out of eta-UAYNr6A-00769-00191163-00191409 25 restaurants failed after tests on the eta-UAYNr6A-00770-00191410-00191718 use of antibiotics as well antibiotic eta-UAYNr6A-00771-00191719-00191931 resistant infections affect at least 2 eta-UAYNr6A-00772-00191932-00192123 million Americans each year which will eta-UAYNr6A-00773-00192124-00192362 leave at least 23,000 of those people to eta-UAYNr6A-00774-00192363-00192552 die eta-UAYNr6A-00775-00192553-00192813 topic consumer appeal fast-food outlets eta-UAYNr6A-00776-00192814-00193032 have become popular with consumers for eta-UAYNr6A-00777-00193033-00193275 several reasons one is that through eta-UAYNr6A-00778-00193276-00193482 economies of scale in purchasing and eta-UAYNr6A-00779-00193483-00193668 producing food these companies can eta-UAYNr6A-00780-00193669-00193875 deliver food to consumers at a very low eta-UAYNr6A-00781-00193876-00193938 cost eta-UAYNr6A-00782-00193939-00194175 in addition although some people dislike eta-UAYNr6A-00783-00194176-00194418 fast-food for its predictability it can eta-UAYNr6A-00784-00194419-00194625 be reassuring to a hungry person in a eta-UAYNr6A-00785-00194626-00194838 hurry or far from home in the post-world eta-UAYNr6A-00786-00194839-00195051 War two period in the United States eta-UAYNr6A-00787-00195052-00195309 fast-food chains like McDonald's rapidly eta-UAYNr6A-00788-00195310-00195441 gained a reputation for their eta-UAYNr6A-00789-00195442-00195621 cleanliness fast service and a eta-UAYNr6A-00790-00195622-00195837 child-friendly atmosphere where families eta-UAYNr6A-00791-00195838-00196001 on the road could grab a quick meal eta-UAYNr6A-00792-00196002-00196275 prior to the rise of the fast-food chain eta-UAYNr6A-00793-00196276-00196476 restaurant people generally had a choice eta-UAYNr6A-00794-00196477-00196677 between diners where the quality of the eta-UAYNr6A-00795-00196678-00196890 food was often questionable and service eta-UAYNr6A-00796-00196891-00197082 lacking or high-end restaurants that eta-UAYNr6A-00797-00197083-00197247 were expensive and impractical for eta-UAYNr6A-00798-00197248-00197490 families with children the modern eta-UAYNr6A-00799-00197491-00197691 streamlined convenience of the fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00800-00197692-00197892 restaurant provided a new alternative eta-UAYNr6A-00801-00197893-00198108 and appealed to Americans instinct for eta-UAYNr6A-00802-00198109-00198312 ideas and products associated with eta-UAYNr6A-00803-00198313-00198639 progress technology and innovation fast eta-UAYNr6A-00804-00198640-00198849 food restaurants rapidly became the eta-UAYNr6A-00805-00198850-00199062 eatery everyone could agree on with many eta-UAYNr6A-00806-00199063-00199299 featuring child-sized menu combos play eta-UAYNr6A-00807-00199300-00199518 areas and whimsical branding campaigns eta-UAYNr6A-00808-00199519-00199752 like the iconic Ronald McDonald designed eta-UAYNr6A-00809-00199753-00200031 to appeal to younger customers parents eta-UAYNr6A-00810-00200032-00200196 could have a few minutes of peace while eta-UAYNr6A-00811-00200197-00200352 children played or amused themselves eta-UAYNr6A-00812-00200353-00200559 with the toys included in their happy eta-UAYNr6A-00813-00200560-00200820 meal there is a long history of fast eta-UAYNr6A-00814-00200821-00201051 food advertising campaigns many of which eta-UAYNr6A-00815-00201052-00201303 are directed at children fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00816-00201304-00201525 marketing largely focuses on children eta-UAYNr6A-00817-00201526-00201744 and teenagers popular methods of eta-UAYNr6A-00818-00201745-00201984 advertising include television product eta-UAYNr6A-00819-00201985-00202193 placement in toys games educational eta-UAYNr6A-00820-00202194-00202473 materials songs and movies character eta-UAYNr6A-00821-00202474-00202692 licensing and celebrity endorsements and eta-UAYNr6A-00822-00202693-00202977 websites advertisements targeting eta-UAYNr6A-00823-00202978-00203238 children mainly focus on free toys movie eta-UAYNr6A-00824-00203239-00203520 tie-ins and other giveaways fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00825-00203521-00203718 restaurants use kids meals with toys eta-UAYNr6A-00826-00203719-00203970 kid-friendly mascots vibrant colors and eta-UAYNr6A-00827-00203971-00204186 play areas to draw children toward their eta-UAYNr6A-00828-00204187-00204444 products children's power over their eta-UAYNr6A-00829-00204445-00204668 parents purchases as estimated to total eta-UAYNr6A-00830-00204669-00204988 $300 to 500 billion dollars every year eta-UAYNr6A-00831-00204989-00205281 fast food has become a part of American eta-UAYNr6A-00832-00205282-00205560 culture as a reward for children to deny eta-UAYNr6A-00833-00205561-00205800 a child desirable things such as the eta-UAYNr6A-00834-00205801-00205937 advertised fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00835-00205938-00206132 restaurant can cause stigmatization of eta-UAYNr6A-00836-00206133-00206319 parents as the mean parent when it is eta-UAYNr6A-00837-00206319-00206498 common among other parents to comply eta-UAYNr6A-00838-00206500-00206675 with their child's desires the major eta-UAYNr6A-00839-00206676-00206871 focus on children by the fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00840-00206871-00207104 industry has created controversy due to eta-UAYNr6A-00841-00207105-00207294 the rising issue of child obesity in eta-UAYNr6A-00842-00207294-00207575 America as a result of this focus in eta-UAYNr6A-00843-00207576-00207854 2008 a coalition was created and run by eta-UAYNr6A-00844-00207855-00208067 the Council of Better Business Bureaus eta-UAYNr6A-00845-00208069-00208265 called children's food and beverage eta-UAYNr6A-00846-00208266-00208569 advertising initiative CF Bai to stop eta-UAYNr6A-00847-00208569-00208766 ads aimed at children or to promote only eta-UAYNr6A-00848-00208767-00208937 what the council dubs better-for-you eta-UAYNr6A-00849-00208938-00209123 products in ads directed towards eta-UAYNr6A-00850-00209125-00209423 children however it was not until 2011 eta-UAYNr6A-00851-00209425-00209673 that Congress requested guidelines be eta-UAYNr6A-00852-00209673-00209937 put in place by the CF Bai FDA eta-UAYNr6A-00853-00209938-00210158 Agriculture Department and Centers for eta-UAYNr6A-00854-00210159-00210431 Disease Control there are two basic eta-UAYNr6A-00855-00210432-00210596 requirements identified in the eta-UAYNr6A-00856-00210598-00210785 guidelines for foods that are advertised eta-UAYNr6A-00857-00210786-00211001 for children one the food has to include eta-UAYNr6A-00858-00211002-00211229 healthful ingredients 2 the food can't eta-UAYNr6A-00859-00211230-00211413 contain unhealthful amounts of sugar eta-UAYNr6A-00860-00211414-00211751 saturated fat trans fat and salt the eta-UAYNr6A-00861-00211752-00211962 guidelines are voluntary but companies eta-UAYNr6A-00862-00211963-00212150 experienced heavy pressure to comply eta-UAYNr6A-00863-00212151-00212408 once a company complies they have 5 to eta-UAYNr6A-00864-00212409-00212605 10 years to comply with the guidelines eta-UAYNr6A-00865-00212606-00212898 many fast food industries have started eta-UAYNr6A-00866-00212898-00213104 to comply with the guidelines although eta-UAYNr6A-00867-00213105-00213398 many companies have ways to go in 2012 eta-UAYNr6A-00868-00213400-00213683 the fast-food industry spent 4.6 billion eta-UAYNr6A-00869-00213684-00213923 dollars to advertise unhealthy products eta-UAYNr6A-00870-00213925-00214103 to children and teens according to a eta-UAYNr6A-00871-00214104-00214307 report by the Yale Rudd Center for Food eta-UAYNr6A-00872-00214308-00214592 Policy and obesity there are points of eta-UAYNr6A-00873-00214594-00214791 progress that include healthier sides eta-UAYNr6A-00874-00214792-00214955 and beverages in most fast food eta-UAYNr6A-00875-00214956-00215265 restaurant kids meals the guidelines are eta-UAYNr6A-00876-00215266-00215463 interested in a healthier lifestyle for eta-UAYNr6A-00877-00215464-00215621 children and the growing problem of eta-UAYNr6A-00878-00215623-00215937 American obesity while it may not be so eta-UAYNr6A-00879-00215938-00216158 obvious today fast food is on its way to eta-UAYNr6A-00880-00216159-00216414 healthier foods and menus some eta-UAYNr6A-00881-00216415-00216588 businesses have taken off and had eta-UAYNr6A-00882-00216589-00216771 success in this market with healthy eta-UAYNr6A-00883-00216771-00216953 foods and due to many health concerns eta-UAYNr6A-00884-00216954-00217199 and fast food stereotypes it is emerging eta-UAYNr6A-00885-00217200-00217454 as an expected thing according to Jason eta-UAYNr6A-00886-00217455-00217692 daily healthful fast food takeoff is eta-UAYNr6A-00887-00217692-00217925 explained by the fact that it has ceased eta-UAYNr6A-00888-00217926-00218166 to be a thing now it's simply expected eta-UAYNr6A-00889-00218167-00218442 in other parts of the world American and eta-UAYNr6A-00890-00218442-00218660 american-style fast-food outlets have eta-UAYNr6A-00891-00218661-00218858 been popular for their quality customer eta-UAYNr6A-00892-00218859-00219050 service and novelty even though they are eta-UAYNr6A-00893-00219051-00219237 often the targets of popular anger eta-UAYNr6A-00894-00219238-00219309 towards Amer eta-UAYNr6A-00895-00219310-00219528 and foreign policy or globalization more eta-UAYNr6A-00896-00219529-00219828 generally many consumers nonetheless see eta-UAYNr6A-00897-00219829-00220005 them as symbols of the wealth progress eta-UAYNr6A-00898-00220006-00220194 and well-ordered openness of Western eta-UAYNr6A-00899-00220194-00220394 society and they therefore become trendy eta-UAYNr6A-00900-00220396-00220590 attractions in many cities around the eta-UAYNr6A-00901-00220591-00220796 world particularly among younger people eta-UAYNr6A-00902-00220798-00221406 with more varied tastes eta-UAYNr6A-00903-00221407-00221721 topic impact of fast food restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-00904-00221721-00222134 availability eta-UAYNr6A-00905-00222135-00222383 over time fast-food restaurants have eta-UAYNr6A-00906-00222384-00222584 been growing rapidly especially in urban eta-UAYNr6A-00907-00222585-00222872 neighborhoods according to US research eta-UAYNr6A-00908-00222873-00223041 low-income and predominantly eta-UAYNr6A-00909-00223042-00223217 african-american neighborhoods have eta-UAYNr6A-00910-00223219-00223406 greater exposure to fast-food outlets eta-UAYNr6A-00911-00223407-00223601 than higher income and predominantly eta-UAYNr6A-00912-00223602-00223895 white areas this has put into question eta-UAYNr6A-00913-00223896-00224054 whether urbanized neighborhoods were eta-UAYNr6A-00914-00224055-00224244 targeted which causes a more unhealthy eta-UAYNr6A-00915-00224244-00224444 group of people compared to people from eta-UAYNr6A-00916-00224445-00224742 a higher socioeconomic status it has eta-UAYNr6A-00917-00224742-00224903 also been shown that there is a lower eta-UAYNr6A-00918-00224904-00225117 chance of finding a fast-food restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-00919-00225117-00225377 in a suburban neighborhood in a study of eta-UAYNr6A-00920-00225378-00225639 selected Us locations Moreland at all eta-UAYNr6A-00921-00225640-00225878 2002 found the number of fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00922-00225879-00226076 restaurants and bars was inversely eta-UAYNr6A-00923-00226077-00226220 proportional to the wealth of the eta-UAYNr6A-00924-00226221-00226376 neighborhood and that predominantly eta-UAYNr6A-00925-00226377-00226598 African American residential areas were eta-UAYNr6A-00926-00226599-00226764 four times less likely to have a eta-UAYNr6A-00927-00226765-00226952 supermarket near them than predominantly eta-UAYNr6A-00928-00226953-00227180 white areas eta-UAYNr6A-00929-00227181-00227573 topic innovations timeline 1872 Walter eta-UAYNr6A-00930-00227573-00227705 Scott of Providence Rhode Island eta-UAYNr6A-00931-00227706-00227963 outfitted a horse-drawn lunch wagon with eta-UAYNr6A-00932-00227964-00228173 a simple kitchen bringing hot dinners to eta-UAYNr6A-00933-00228173-00228416 workers 1902 first horn & Hardart eta-UAYNr6A-00934-00228417-00228758 automat opened in Philadelphia 1912 horn eta-UAYNr6A-00935-00228759-00228965 & Hardart opens a second automat in eta-UAYNr6A-00936-00228966-00229259 Manhattan 1916 Walter Anderson built the eta-UAYNr6A-00937-00229260-00229496 first White Castle in Wichita Kansas in eta-UAYNr6A-00938-00229496-00229748 1916 introducing the limited menu eta-UAYNr6A-00939-00229748-00229976 high-volume low-cost high-speed eta-UAYNr6A-00940-00229977-00230276 hamburger restaurant 1919 a A&W Root eta-UAYNr6A-00941-00230277-00230459 Beer took its product out of the soda eta-UAYNr6A-00942-00230460-00230753 fountain and into a roadside stand 1921 eta-UAYNr6A-00943-00230754-00231017 a A&W Root Beer began franchising at eta-UAYNr6A-00944-00231017-00231314 syrup 1921 White Castle opens its first eta-UAYNr6A-00945-00231315-00231602 restaurant 1926 made right opened its eta-UAYNr6A-00946-00231603-00231917 first restaurant in Muscatine Iowa 1930s eta-UAYNr6A-00947-00231917-00232151 Howard Johnsons pioneered the concept of eta-UAYNr6A-00948-00232152-00232334 franchising restaurants formally eta-UAYNr6A-00949-00232335-00232526 standardizing menus signage and eta-UAYNr6A-00950-00232527-00232763 advertising 1948 in-and-out burger eta-UAYNr6A-00951-00232764-00233012 begins drive-through service utilizing eta-UAYNr6A-00952-00233013-00233351 call box technology 1967 mcdonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00953-00233352-00233546 opens its first restaurants outside the eta-UAYNr6A-00954-00233546-00233858 u.s. 1971 mcdonald's begins serving eta-UAYNr6A-00955-00233859-00234026 breakfast test-marketing the Egg eta-UAYNr6A-00956-00234027-00234317 McMuffin in the u.s. 1971 the first eta-UAYNr6A-00957-00234317-00234512 Starbucks store opens in Seattle eta-UAYNr6A-00958-00234513-00234731 Washington in Pike Place Market to sell eta-UAYNr6A-00959-00234732-00235033 high quality coffee beans and equipment eta-UAYNr6A-00960-00235034-00235385 1982 7-eleven introduces the 3/2 u.s. eta-UAYNr6A-00961-00235386-00235535 fluid ounce nine hundred fifty eta-UAYNr6A-00962-00235536-00235873 milliliters big gulp 1981 Arby's offers eta-UAYNr6A-00963-00235875-00236150 nutritional information 1987 Howard eta-UAYNr6A-00964-00236151-00236336 Schultz leaves purchase of the Starbucks eta-UAYNr6A-00965-00236337-00236531 brand from its founders who adopted the eta-UAYNr6A-00966-00236532-00236726 name Pete's and begins offering coffee eta-UAYNr6A-00967-00236727-00236917 drinks modeled after those sold in eta-UAYNr6A-00968-00236919-00237236 Italian coffee bars 1994 McDonald's eta-UAYNr6A-00969-00237237-00237484 begins supersizing extra value meals eta-UAYNr6A-00970-00237485-00237761 1994 Arctic Circle becomes the first eta-UAYNr6A-00971-00237762-00237967 fast-food restaurant to sell Angus beef eta-UAYNr6A-00972-00237969-00238228 exclusively eta-UAYNr6A-00973-00238229-00238503 1994 our Beezus first fast-food eta-UAYNr6A-00974-00238504-00238709 restaurant to implement a no smoking eta-UAYNr6A-00975-00238710-00239103 policy 2002 McDonald's cuts back on the eta-UAYNr6A-00976-00239104-00239352 amount of trans fat by 48 percent on eta-UAYNr6A-00977-00239353-00239519 french fries eta-UAYNr6A-00978-00239519-00239828 2006 Arby's begins elimination of trans eta-UAYNr6A-00979-00239829-00240387 fat oils in french fries eta-UAYNr6A-00980-00240388-00240866 topic the law eta-UAYNr6A-00981-00240867-00241108 the introduction of the halal option by eta-UAYNr6A-00982-00241109-00241276 some fast-food companies saw the eta-UAYNr6A-00983-00241277-00241480 expansion of fast-food chains into eta-UAYNr6A-00984-00241481-00241675 Muslim majority countries has resulted eta-UAYNr6A-00985-00241676-00241873 in a rise of restaurant options in eta-UAYNr6A-00986-00241875-00242042 non-western nations and has also eta-UAYNr6A-00987-00242042-00242216 increased revenue for some Western eta-UAYNr6A-00988-00242217-00242494 restaurant chains some outlets offering eta-UAYNr6A-00989-00242496-00242819 halal options include KFC Nando's Pizza eta-UAYNr6A-00990-00242819-00243121 Express and Subway McDonald's carried eta-UAYNr6A-00991-00243123-00243338 out a trial but decided that the cost of eta-UAYNr6A-00992-00243339-00243601 operations would be too high there have eta-UAYNr6A-00993-00243602-00243835 also been court cases involving start-up eta-UAYNr6A-00994-00243836-00244030 businesses during attempts to alter the eta-UAYNr6A-00995-00244031-00244223 halal certified method by machine eta-UAYNr6A-00996-00244223-00244400 killing which is against the beliefs of eta-UAYNr6A-00997-00244401-00244684 some Muslims however the trend towards eta-UAYNr6A-00998-00244685-00244882 halal has been unpopular in some eta-UAYNr6A-00999-00244883-00245077 communities which have at times resulted eta-UAYNr6A-01000-00245078-00245698 in internet petitions eta-UAYNr6A-01001-00245698-00246230 topic criticisms eta-UAYNr6A-01002-00246231-00246482 the fast-food industry is a popular eta-UAYNr6A-01003-00246483-00246605 target for critics from eta-UAYNr6A-01004-00246606-00246833 anti-globalization activists like Jose eta-UAYNr6A-01005-00246834-00247048 Beauvais to vegetarian activist groups eta-UAYNr6A-01006-00247050-00247211 such as PETA as well as the workers eta-UAYNr6A-01007-00247212-00247505 themselves a number of fast-food worker eta-UAYNr6A-01008-00247506-00247717 strikes occurred in the United States in eta-UAYNr6A-01009-00247719-00248123 the 2010s in his best-selling 2001 book eta-UAYNr6A-01010-00248123-00248336 Fast Food Nation investigative eta-UAYNr6A-01011-00248337-00248521 journalist Eric Schlosser leveled a eta-UAYNr6A-01012-00248523-00248756 broad socio-economic critique against eta-UAYNr6A-01013-00248757-00248975 the fast food industry documenting how eta-UAYNr6A-01014-00248976-00249185 fast food rose from small family-run eta-UAYNr6A-01015-00249186-00249362 businesses like the McDonald brothers eta-UAYNr6A-01016-00249363-00249577 burger joint in to large multinational eta-UAYNr6A-01017-00249578-00249830 corporate juggernauts whose economies of eta-UAYNr6A-01018-00249831-00250048 scale radically transformed agriculture eta-UAYNr6A-01019-00250050-00250294 meat processing and labor markets in the eta-UAYNr6A-01020-00250296-00250592 late 20th century Schlosser argues that eta-UAYNr6A-01021-00250592-00250790 while the innovations of the fast food eta-UAYNr6A-01022-00250791-00251021 industry gave Americans more and cheaper eta-UAYNr6A-01023-00251021-00251216 dining options it has come at the price eta-UAYNr6A-01024-00251217-00251402 of destroying the environment economy eta-UAYNr6A-01025-00251403-00251633 and small town communities of rural eta-UAYNr6A-01026-00251634-00251825 America while shielding consumers from eta-UAYNr6A-01027-00251826-00252008 the real costs of their convenient meal eta-UAYNr6A-01028-00252009-00252185 both in terms of health and the broader eta-UAYNr6A-01029-00252186-00252407 impact of large-scale food production eta-UAYNr6A-01030-00252408-00252626 and processing on workers animals and eta-UAYNr6A-01031-00252627-00252973 land the fast food industry is popular eta-UAYNr6A-01032-00252975-00253171 in the United States the source of most eta-UAYNr6A-01033-00253173-00253340 of its innovation and many major eta-UAYNr6A-01034-00253341-00253528 international chains are based they're eta-UAYNr6A-01035-00253529-00253805 seen as symbols of US dominance and eta-UAYNr6A-01036-00253806-00254042 perceived cultural imperialism American eta-UAYNr6A-01037-00254042-00254252 fast-food franchises have often been the eta-UAYNr6A-01038-00254253-00254494 target of anti-globalization protests eta-UAYNr6A-01039-00254496-00254666 and demonstrations against the US eta-UAYNr6A-01040-00254667-00255035 government in 2005 for example rioters eta-UAYNr6A-01041-00255036-00255248 in Karachi Pakistan who were initially eta-UAYNr6A-01042-00255248-00255425 angered because of the bombing of a eta-UAYNr6A-01043-00255426-00256179 Shiite mosque destroyed a KFC restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-01044-00256180-00256733 topic legal issues eta-UAYNr6A-01045-00256734-00257039 in 2003 McDonald's was sued in a New eta-UAYNr6A-01046-00257040-00257221 York Court by a family who claimed that eta-UAYNr6A-01047-00257223-00257411 the restaurant chain was responsible for eta-UAYNr6A-01048-00257412-00257603 their teenage daughter's obesity and eta-UAYNr6A-01049-00257604-00257816 attendant health problems by eta-UAYNr6A-01050-00257817-00258053 manipulating foods taste sugar and fat eta-UAYNr6A-01051-00258054-00258251 content and directing their advertising eta-UAYNr6A-01052-00258252-00258448 to children the suit argued that the eta-UAYNr6A-01053-00258450-00258611 company purposely misleads the public eta-UAYNr6A-01054-00258612-00258809 about the nutritional value of its eta-UAYNr6A-01055-00258810-00259100 product a judge dismissed the case but eta-UAYNr6A-01056-00259101-00259286 the fast food industry disliked the eta-UAYNr6A-01057-00259287-00259490 publicity of its practices particularly eta-UAYNr6A-01058-00259491-00259682 the way it targets children in its eta-UAYNr6A-01059-00259683-00259948 advertising although further lawsuits eta-UAYNr6A-01060-00259950-00260171 have not materialized the issue is kept eta-UAYNr6A-01061-00260171-00260369 alive in the media and political circles eta-UAYNr6A-01062-00260369-00260558 by those promoting the need for tort eta-UAYNr6A-01063-00260559-00260734 reform in response to this done eta-UAYNr6A-01064-00260735-00261038 cheeseburger bill was passed by the US eta-UAYNr6A-01065-00261039-00261298 House of Representatives in 2004 it eta-UAYNr6A-01066-00261300-00261563 later stalled in the US Senate the law eta-UAYNr6A-01067-00261564-00261833 was reintroduced in 2005 only to meet eta-UAYNr6A-01068-00261834-00262085 the same fate this law was claimed to eta-UAYNr6A-01069-00262086-00262412 ban frivolous lawsuits against producers eta-UAYNr6A-01070-00262413-00262655 and sellers of food and non-alcoholic eta-UAYNr6A-01071-00262656-00263075 drinks arising from obesity claims the eta-UAYNr6A-01072-00263076-00263270 bill arose because of an increase in eta-UAYNr6A-01073-00263271-00263477 lawsuits against fast food chains by eta-UAYNr6A-01074-00263478-00263624 people who claimed that eating their eta-UAYNr6A-01075-00263625-00263855 products made them obese disassociating eta-UAYNr6A-01076-00263856-00264511 themselves from any of the blame eta-UAYNr6A-01077-00264512-00265317 topic see also fast food advertising eta-UAYNr6A-01078-00265318-00265705 HACCP list of fast food restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-01079-00265706-00266022 chains list of hamburger restaurants eta-UAYNr6A-01080-00266023-00266311 list of the largest fast food restaurant eta-UAYNr6A-01081-00266312-00266749 chains Roadhouse facility sanitation eta-UAYNr6A-01082-00266750-00267112 standard operating procedures exWfZqVO8ng-00000-00000208-00000447 general mariano alvarez officially the exWfZqVO8ng-00001-00000448-00000711 municipality of general mariano alvarez exWfZqVO8ng-00002-00000712-00000927 tagalog bayan ing general mariano exWfZqVO8ng-00003-00000927-00001183 alvarez is a first-class municipality in exWfZqVO8ng-00004-00001184-00001454 the province of cavity philippines exWfZqVO8ng-00005-00001455-00001695 according to the 2015 census it has a exWfZqVO8ng-00006-00001696-00001963 population of 155 exWfZqVO8ng-00007-00001964-00002287 143 people often shortened as gma the exWfZqVO8ng-00008-00002288-00002502 municipality was named after general exWfZqVO8ng-00009-00002503-00002726 mariano alvarez a native of the town of exWfZqVO8ng-00010-00002727-00003039 nabaleta cavity exWfZqVO8ng-00011-00003040-00003335 with an area of just 11.40 square exWfZqVO8ng-00012-00003336-00003559 kilometres it is the second most densely exWfZqVO8ng-00013-00003560-00003799 populated municipality in cavity after exWfZqVO8ng-00014-00003800-00004079 rosario exWfZqVO8ng-00015-00004079-00004463 history exWfZqVO8ng-00016-00004464-00004711 general mariano alvarez was formerly a exWfZqVO8ng-00017-00004712-00004967 part of carmona cavity the province's exWfZqVO8ng-00018-00004968-00005167 third plan community was previously exWfZqVO8ng-00019-00005168-00005391 called carmona resettlement project and exWfZqVO8ng-00020-00005392-00005575 was under the direct management of the exWfZqVO8ng-00021-00005576-00005727 people's home site and housing exWfZqVO8ng-00022-00005728-00005983 corporation phhc exWfZqVO8ng-00023-00005984-00006263 the project started in march 1968 exWfZqVO8ng-00024-00006264-00006439 because of the need to clear the quesan exWfZqVO8ng-00025-00006440-00006687 memorial park dilemman quesan city of exWfZqVO8ng-00026-00006688-00006855 different shanties and other illegal exWfZqVO8ng-00027-00006856-00007055 constructions built on it exWfZqVO8ng-00028-00007056-00007375 by 1974 the project lots became part of exWfZqVO8ng-00029-00007376-00007583 the full-fledged communities of poor and exWfZqVO8ng-00030-00007584-00007759 middle-class residents coming from exWfZqVO8ng-00031-00007759-00008231 quesan city manila makati and paranyak exWfZqVO8ng-00032-00008232-00008399 due to the popular clamour of the exWfZqVO8ng-00033-00008400-00008535 residents of the aforementioned exWfZqVO8ng-00034-00008536-00008695 resettlement areas towards the exWfZqVO8ng-00035-00008696-00008887 conversion of their locality into an exWfZqVO8ng-00036-00008888-00009110 independent municipality the 1010 exWfZqVO8ng-00037-00009111-00009319 barangay council of the communities of exWfZqVO8ng-00038-00009320-00009542 the then san gabriel and san jose exWfZqVO8ng-00039-00009543-00009727 submitted resolution expressing their exWfZqVO8ng-00040-00009728-00009910 desire to the sangguniang bayan of exWfZqVO8ng-00041-00009911-00010142 carmona which in turn favorably endorsed exWfZqVO8ng-00042-00010143-00010423 the idea through resolutions number 56s exWfZqVO8ng-00043-00010424-00010727 1978 exWfZqVO8ng-00044-00010728-00010959 the municipality of general mariano exWfZqVO8ng-00045-00010960-00011167 alvarez came into existence upon the exWfZqVO8ng-00046-00011168-00011399 ratification by the majority votes cast exWfZqVO8ng-00047-00011400-00011623 in a plebiscite at carmona and its duly exWfZqVO8ng-00048-00011624-00011855 constituted barangays within a period of exWfZqVO8ng-00049-00011856-00012127 180 days after the approval of batas exWfZqVO8ng-00050-00012128-00012383 pambansa 75 and parliamentary bill exWfZqVO8ng-00051-00012384-00012663 number 631 after which the president of exWfZqVO8ng-00052-00012664-00012855 the philippines appointed the first set exWfZqVO8ng-00053-00012856-00013238 of local officials for the said town exWfZqVO8ng-00054-00013240-00013447 upon the effectivity of the specified exWfZqVO8ng-00055-00013447-00013719 legal acts converting barangays san jose exWfZqVO8ng-00056-00013719-00013958 and san gabriel into the municipality of exWfZqVO8ng-00057-00013959-00014215 general mariano alvarez its proportional exWfZqVO8ng-00058-00014216-00014455 share in the obligation of funds assets exWfZqVO8ng-00059-00014456-00014647 and other properties of carmona was exWfZqVO8ng-00060-00014647-00014799 transferred to the newly created exWfZqVO8ng-00061-00014800-00015022 municipality upon the recommendation of exWfZqVO8ng-00062-00015023-00015175 the commission of audit which was exWfZqVO8ng-00063-00015176-00015455 approved on june 30 1980. exWfZqVO8ng-00064-00015456-00015679 the new municipality's first officials exWfZqVO8ng-00065-00015680-00015935 were officially inaugurated on march 14 exWfZqVO8ng-00066-00015936-00016230 1981. exWfZqVO8ng-00067-00016231-00016399 the new town was composed of the exWfZqVO8ng-00068-00016400-00016671 resettlement areas of barangay san jose exWfZqVO8ng-00069-00016672-00016886 san gabriel and a portion of cabalang exWfZqVO8ng-00070-00016887-00017230 baybay barangay san jose consisted of exWfZqVO8ng-00071-00017231-00017527 areas a and b while barangay san gabriel exWfZqVO8ng-00072-00017528-00018271 consisted of areas c d e f g h i j and k exWfZqVO8ng-00073-00018272-00018575 in 2006 the municipality celebrated its exWfZqVO8ng-00074-00018576-00018775 25th anniversary with a lineup of exWfZqVO8ng-00075-00018776-00018958 activities participated in by the exWfZqVO8ng-00076-00018959-00019191 municipality's residents exWfZqVO8ng-00077-00019192-00019455 general mariano alvarez also takes pride exWfZqVO8ng-00078-00019456-00019647 in being known as the mushroom capital exWfZqVO8ng-00079-00019648-00019822 of cavity because of the mushroom exWfZqVO8ng-00080-00019823-00020055 culture facilities in the town exWfZqVO8ng-00081-00020056-00020239 mushrooms have become the town's main exWfZqVO8ng-00082-00020240-00020447 product in line with the one town one exWfZqVO8ng-00083-00020448-00020614 product program of the philippine exWfZqVO8ng-00084-00020615-00020919 national government exWfZqVO8ng-00085-00020920-00021319 geography exWfZqVO8ng-00086-00021320-00021543 the municipality of general mariano exWfZqVO8ng-00087-00021544-00021703 alvarez is at the northeastern exWfZqVO8ng-00088-00021704-00021878 boundaries of cavity province with exWfZqVO8ng-00089-00021879-00022047 laguna province exWfZqVO8ng-00090-00022048-00022230 it is bounded on the north by the city exWfZqVO8ng-00091-00022231-00022463 of san pedro laguna on the east by the exWfZqVO8ng-00092-00022464-00022686 municipality of carmona on the west by exWfZqVO8ng-00093-00022687-00022863 the city of des mourinhas and on the exWfZqVO8ng-00094-00022864-00023135 south by the municipality of solang exWfZqVO8ng-00095-00023136-00023391 general mariano alvarez is approximately exWfZqVO8ng-00096-00023392-00023711 42 kilometres 26 miles south of the city exWfZqVO8ng-00097-00023712-00023999 of manila and 17 kilometers 11 miles exWfZqVO8ng-00098-00024000-00024239 east of tracee martire city the capital exWfZqVO8ng-00099-00024240-00024527 of the province exWfZqVO8ng-00100-00024528-00024886 land area exWfZqVO8ng-00101-00024887-00025158 general mariano alvarez has a total land exWfZqVO8ng-00102-00025159-00025486 area of 938.0 exWfZqVO8ng-00103-00025487-00025711 hectares more or less as per batasang exWfZqVO8ng-00104-00025712-00026102 pambansa bilong 76 dated june 13 1980 exWfZqVO8ng-00105-00026104-00026351 which created the municipality exWfZqVO8ng-00106-00026352-00026631 these areas are currently occupied by 27 exWfZqVO8ng-00107-00026632-00026823 barangays of which five are considered exWfZqVO8ng-00108-00026824-00027095 poblacion barangays and 22 others are exWfZqVO8ng-00109-00027095-00027462 regular barangays exWfZqVO8ng-00110-00027463-00027823 topography exWfZqVO8ng-00111-00027824-00028055 the municipality has elongated shape exWfZqVO8ng-00112-00028056-00028302 with a north northeastern orientation it exWfZqVO8ng-00113-00028304-00028590 has a total length of about 7040 meters exWfZqVO8ng-00114-00028591-00028839 and a width of about 780 meters at its exWfZqVO8ng-00115-00028839-00028979 smallest and exWfZqVO8ng-00116-00028980-00029262 1720 metres at its widest exWfZqVO8ng-00117-00029263-00029470 the terrain is relatively flat plain exWfZqVO8ng-00118-00029472-00029599 from the south starting at the exWfZqVO8ng-00119-00029600-00029783 governor's drive running north covering exWfZqVO8ng-00120-00029783-00029974 about one-third of the municipality's exWfZqVO8ng-00121-00029975-00030190 length at poblacion 5. exWfZqVO8ng-00122-00030191-00030383 from this point the terrain gradually exWfZqVO8ng-00123-00030383-00030599 begin to gently slope in one direction exWfZqVO8ng-00124-00030600-00030711 in the middle portion of the exWfZqVO8ng-00125-00030712-00030943 municipality undulating and rolling to exWfZqVO8ng-00126-00030944-00031102 more than one direction towards the exWfZqVO8ng-00127-00031103-00031367 northeastern barangay of epifanio malia exWfZqVO8ng-00128-00031368-00031631 portion of francisco de castro francisco exWfZqVO8ng-00129-00031632-00031967 reyes and san jose exWfZqVO8ng-00130-00031968-00032183 inland water bodies serve as natural exWfZqVO8ng-00131-00032183-00032295 boundaries with neighboring exWfZqVO8ng-00132-00032295-00032495 municipalities and drain its surface exWfZqVO8ng-00133-00032495-00032807 waters towards manila bay and laguna bay exWfZqVO8ng-00134-00032808-00032983 these are embarcadero river on the exWfZqVO8ng-00135-00032984-00033183 western boundaries with des marinas and exWfZqVO8ng-00136-00033184-00033359 san gabriel river on the eastern exWfZqVO8ng-00137-00033360-00033543 boundaries with carmona exWfZqVO8ng-00138-00033544-00033807 a major tributary of san gabriel river exWfZqVO8ng-00139-00033808-00033951 traverse the inner areas of the exWfZqVO8ng-00140-00033952-00034199 municipality from francisco de castro exWfZqVO8ng-00141-00034200-00034462 and southwoods to jacinto libres exWfZqVO8ng-00142-00034463-00034671 the same tributary branches out at exWfZqVO8ng-00143-00034672-00034902 innocencio salud to serve as boundaries exWfZqVO8ng-00144-00034903-00035135 between the barangay of call exWfZqVO8ng-00145-00035136-00035407 j p elisa's andel diano olays on the exWfZqVO8ng-00146-00035408-00035662 eastern side small streams crisscross exWfZqVO8ng-00147-00035663-00035871 the landscape forming natural drainage exWfZqVO8ng-00148-00035872-00036071 where waste drains from manila bay and exWfZqVO8ng-00149-00036072-00036239 laguna de bay exWfZqVO8ng-00150-00036240-00036446 these water bodies run and form deep exWfZqVO8ng-00151-00036447-00036607 gullies which gave the land a mass exWfZqVO8ng-00152-00036608-00036790 ridge-like formation exWfZqVO8ng-00153-00036791-00036959 considering the height and mass of the exWfZqVO8ng-00154-00036960-00037167 water bodies the ridge-like formation exWfZqVO8ng-00155-00037168-00037343 are highly elevated exWfZqVO8ng-00156-00037344-00037743 thus the terrain is described above exWfZqVO8ng-00157-00037744-00037967 man-made physical changes includes the exWfZqVO8ng-00158-00037968-00038143 presence of the congressional road which exWfZqVO8ng-00159-00038144-00038279 stretcher on full length of the exWfZqVO8ng-00160-00038280-00038487 municipality from the governor's drive exWfZqVO8ng-00161-00038488-00038671 or the national highway in the south to exWfZqVO8ng-00162-00038672-00038927 francisco de castro on the north exWfZqVO8ng-00163-00038928-00039135 it runs parallel to the water bodies exWfZqVO8ng-00164-00039136-00039311 mentioned above on the eastern side of exWfZqVO8ng-00165-00039312-00039495 the municipality exWfZqVO8ng-00166-00039496-00039702 structures such as houses schools exWfZqVO8ng-00167-00039703-00039935 commercial establishments institutional exWfZqVO8ng-00168-00039936-00040118 buildings and industrial firms are exWfZqVO8ng-00169-00040119-00040335 located among this road on gully sides exWfZqVO8ng-00170-00040336-00040551 of water bodies and the top flat plain exWfZqVO8ng-00171-00040552-00040718 areas of the ridge exWfZqVO8ng-00172-00040719-00040967 open grasslands and agricultural areas exWfZqVO8ng-00173-00040968-00041158 can be found on the western near central exWfZqVO8ng-00174-00041159-00041527 portion of the municipality exWfZqVO8ng-00175-00041528-00041830 slope exWfZqVO8ng-00176-00041831-00042046 the slope of the municipality ranges exWfZqVO8ng-00177-00042047-00042255 from 0 to three percent to three to exWfZqVO8ng-00178-00042256-00042439 eight percent broad to level nearly exWfZqVO8ng-00179-00042440-00042646 level or classified under zero to three exWfZqVO8ng-00180-00042647-00042799 percent slope exWfZqVO8ng-00181-00042800-00043007 these are generally the flat plane level exWfZqVO8ng-00182-00043008-00043174 lands on the southern portion from the exWfZqVO8ng-00183-00043175-00043358 governor's drive extending inwards exWfZqVO8ng-00184-00043359-00043607 covering all poblacion barangays gavino exWfZqVO8ng-00185-00043608-00043911 madaran jacinto lumbreras ramon cruz san exWfZqVO8ng-00186-00043912-00044151 gabriel and severino dellas alas three exWfZqVO8ng-00187-00044152-00044374 to five percent slope or gently sloping exWfZqVO8ng-00188-00044375-00044583 areas with land sloping in one general exWfZqVO8ng-00189-00044584-00044702 direction exWfZqVO8ng-00190-00044703-00044918 this areas compress the central portion exWfZqVO8ng-00191-00044919-00045127 of the municipality from barangay exWfZqVO8ng-00192-00045128-00045399 capitan kua pantalian granados and exWfZqVO8ng-00193-00045400-00045751 marcelino mainje to aldeanoles call exWfZqVO8ng-00194-00045752-00045999 jose pialisas and portion of forelo exWfZqVO8ng-00195-00046000-00046223 calamag macario de khan and benjamin exWfZqVO8ng-00196-00046224-00046343 torona exWfZqVO8ng-00197-00046344-00046590 these also include inocencio salud and exWfZqVO8ng-00198-00046591-00046911 bernardo pulido exWfZqVO8ng-00199-00046912-00047118 areas on the north and northeastern side exWfZqVO8ng-00200-00047119-00047367 have slope of five to eight percent exWfZqVO8ng-00201-00047368-00047567 these are gently undulating and rolling exWfZqVO8ng-00202-00047568-00047758 lands sloping in more than one general exWfZqVO8ng-00203-00047759-00047886 direction exWfZqVO8ng-00204-00047887-00048118 portion of barone fiorillo calimag exWfZqVO8ng-00205-00048119-00048358 makario de khan and benjamin tirona and exWfZqVO8ng-00206-00048359-00048583 barangay of francisco de castro exWfZqVO8ng-00207-00048584-00048879 francisco reyes epifanio malia tiniante exWfZqVO8ng-00208-00048880-00049143 chiago nicolasa verrada gregoria de exWfZqVO8ng-00209-00049144-00049479 jesus and san jose exWfZqVO8ng-00210-00049480-00049855 barangays exWfZqVO8ng-00211-00049856-00050071 general mariano alvarez is currently exWfZqVO8ng-00212-00050072-00050358 divided into 27 barangays five of the exWfZqVO8ng-00213-00050359-00050551 current barangays are classified as exWfZqVO8ng-00214-00050552-00050758 poblacion barangays are those that are exWfZqVO8ng-00215-00050759-00051039 within the municipality's central area exWfZqVO8ng-00216-00051040-00051519 the 22 others are ordinary barangays exWfZqVO8ng-00217-00051520-00051935 the 27 barangays are as follows exWfZqVO8ng-00218-00051936-00052102 these were created out of the former exWfZqVO8ng-00219-00052103-00052566 areas in 1985. exWfZqVO8ng-00220-00052567-00052982 demographics exWfZqVO8ng-00221-00052983-00053303 in the 2015 census the population of gen exWfZqVO8ng-00222-00053304-00053635 mariano alvarez was 155 exWfZqVO8ng-00223-00053636-00053966 143 people with a density of 14 000 exWfZqVO8ng-00224-00053967-00054238 inhabitants per square kilometer or 36 exWfZqVO8ng-00225-00054239-00054630 000 inhabitants per square mile exWfZqVO8ng-00226-00054632-00054950 religion exWfZqVO8ng-00227-00054951-00055135 the majority of the inhabitants are exWfZqVO8ng-00228-00055136-00055359 roman catholics and protestants there exWfZqVO8ng-00229-00055360-00055566 are some such as united pentecostal exWfZqVO8ng-00230-00055567-00055687 church int exWfZqVO8ng-00231-00055688-00056054 l apostolic church of jesus christ fills exWfZqVO8ng-00232-00056055-00056335 inc family tabernacle of jesus christ exWfZqVO8ng-00233-00056336-00056438 int exWfZqVO8ng-00234-00056439-00056750 l etc exWfZqVO8ng-00235-00056751-00057199 municipal mayors exWfZqVO8ng-00236-00057200-00057599 leoniso g verratta 1981-1986 exWfZqVO8ng-00237-00057600-00057999 1988-1998 exWfZqVO8ng-00238-00058000-00058247 tomas e abube officer-in-charge exWfZqVO8ng-00239-00058248-00058671 1986-1987 exWfZqVO8ng-00240-00058672-00058926 severino p tamala officer-in-charge exWfZqVO8ng-00241-00058927-00059335 1987-1988 exWfZqVO8ng-00242-00059336-00059879 antonio g varada 1998-2001 exWfZqVO8ng-00243-00059879-00060423 walter d echevarria jr 2001-2010 exWfZqVO8ng-00244-00060424-00060759 leonessa joanna b varada june 30 2010 exWfZqVO8ng-00245-00060760-00061038 2013 exWfZqVO8ng-00246-00061039-00061623 walter d echevarria jr 2013 present exWfZqVO8ng-00247-00061624-00062030 references exWfZqVO8ng-00248-00062032-00062391 fontanella m at all 2001 comprehensive exWfZqVO8ng-00249-00062391-00062654 land use plan of the municipality of gen exWfZqVO8ng-00250-00062655-00062926 mariano alvarez cavity unpublished exWfZqVO8ng-00251-00062927-00063159 report cavity municipal government of exWfZqVO8ng-00252-00063160-00063542 gen mariano alvarez exWfZqVO8ng-00253-00063544-00063911 commission on elections 2007 october 30 exWfZqVO8ng-00254-00063912-00064079 list of winning candidates in the exWfZqVO8ng-00255-00064079-00064438 october 29 2007 synchronized barangay exWfZqVO8ng-00256-00064439-00064654 and sangguniang kabataan elections exWfZqVO8ng-00257-00064655-00064894 unpublished report underscore cavity exWfZqVO8ng-00258-00064895-00065111 office of the election officer komelek exWfZqVO8ng-00259-00065112-00065215 gen exWfZqVO8ng-00260-00065216-00065550 mariano alvarez exWfZqVO8ng-00261-00065551-00065982 external links exWfZqVO8ng-00262-00065983-00066206 official website of the municipality of exWfZqVO8ng-00263-00066207-00066591 gen mariano alvarez exWfZqVO8ng-00264-00066592-00066767 official website of the provincial exWfZqVO8ng-00265-00066768-00067071 government of cavity exWfZqVO8ng-00266-00067072-00067471 philippine standard geographic code exWfZqVO8ng-00267-00067472-00067868 philippine census information ez7_JQMy2ny-00000-00002423-00002750 we believe that living in harmony and ez7_JQMy2ny-00001-00002751-00003047 balance with the environment expecting ez7_JQMy2ny-00002-00003048-00003217 the natural order of the world and ez7_JQMy2ny-00003-00003218-00003595 depending upon give us water oxygen and ez7_JQMy2ny-00004-00003596-00003925 food is the essence for quality life ez7_JQMy2ny-00005-00003926-00004186 these beliefs are kept sacred by ez7_JQMy2ny-00006-00004187-00004379 preserving them in songs and dances ez7_JQMy2ny-00007-00004380-00004610 which kept the culture strong physically ez7_JQMy2ny-00008-00004611-00004943 mentally and spiritually passing this ez7_JQMy2ny-00009-00004944-00005161 wellness and sense of balance and ez7_JQMy2ny-00010-00005162-00005588 strength to future generations all ez7_JQMy2ny-00011-00005589-00005849 american indian and alaska native ez7_JQMy2ny-00012-00005850-00006041 cultures have historically relied on ez7_JQMy2ny-00013-00006042-00006238 gathering and hunting for their survival ez7_JQMy2ny-00014-00006239-00006585 their diet consisted mainly of deer ez7_JQMy2ny-00015-00006586-00007208 buffalo bear moose fish and a variety of ez7_JQMy2ny-00016-00007209-00007537 vegetation such as berries wild celery ez7_JQMy2ny-00017-00007538-00007964 melons and corn the physical activity ez7_JQMy2ny-00018-00007965-00008159 associated with our culture offered ez7_JQMy2ny-00019-00008159-00008449 physical fitness as well cultural ez7_JQMy2ny-00020-00008450-00008639 celebrations which included running ez7_JQMy2ny-00021-00008640-00008896 dancing added to the well-being and ez7_JQMy2ny-00022-00008897-00009249 provided spiritual and mental balance ez7_JQMy2ny-00023-00009250-00009602 with the industrial age of the 1920s the ez7_JQMy2ny-00024-00009603-00009817 native people saw a gradual decline in ez7_JQMy2ny-00025-00009818-00010112 farming and hunting tribal members began ez7_JQMy2ny-00026-00010113-00010277 to work away from their homes and ez7_JQMy2ny-00027-00010278-00010577 non-agricultural jobs there was a major ez7_JQMy2ny-00028-00010578-00010919 shift in the food sources and supply the ez7_JQMy2ny-00029-00010920-00011081 American Indian and Alaska Native ez7_JQMy2ny-00030-00011082-00011299 continued to practice a religion and ez7_JQMy2ny-00031-00011300-00011491 strong tradition but ez7_JQMy2ny-00032-00011492-00011638 with the increased consumption of ez7_JQMy2ny-00033-00011639-00011869 processed foods and with jobs that ez7_JQMy2ny-00034-00011870-00012108 required little or no physical activity ez7_JQMy2ny-00035-00012109-00012399 it has become difficult to maintain this ez7_JQMy2ny-00036-00012400-00013578 balance ez7_JQMy2ny-00037-00013579-00013797 in previous centuries everyone ez7_JQMy2ny-00038-00013797-00014144 participated in dancing games running in ez7_JQMy2ny-00039-00014145-00014378 some physical public today it is more ez7_JQMy2ny-00040-00014379-00014703 difficult to stay healthy this gradual ez7_JQMy2ny-00041-00014704-00014939 change in lifestyle has caused our ez7_JQMy2ny-00042-00014940-00015191 people to be susceptible to some ez7_JQMy2ny-00043-00015193-00015831 diseases heart disease and diabetes ez7_JQMy2ny-00044-00015832-00016138 with the change our diet to foods higher ez7_JQMy2ny-00045-00016138-00016429 in fat and sodium alaska natives are now ez7_JQMy2ny-00046-00016430-00016726 at risk for disease we need to keep our ez7_JQMy2ny-00047-00016727-00016921 hearts healthy to leave a legacy for our ez7_JQMy2ny-00048-00016922-00017296 future generations lack of exercise and ez7_JQMy2ny-00049-00017297-00017545 lack of physical activity increases your ez7_JQMy2ny-00050-00017546-00017827 chance for high blood pressure high ez7_JQMy2ny-00051-00017828-00018169 cholesterol levels and diabetes so the ez7_JQMy2ny-00052-00018170-00018448 good news is if we eat foods that are ez7_JQMy2ny-00053-00018449-00018679 low unsaturated fats and cholesterol if ez7_JQMy2ny-00054-00018680-00018925 we get 30 minutes of exercise every day ez7_JQMy2ny-00055-00018926-00019186 if we eat more fruits and vegetables in ez7_JQMy2ny-00056-00019187-00019465 less sodium if we're over weight lose ez7_JQMy2ny-00057-00019466-00019822 weight and not abuse tobacco we will ez7_JQMy2ny-00058-00019823-00020023 greatly reduce our risk for heart ez7_JQMy2ny-00059-00020024-00021136 attacks and strokes ez7_JQMy2ny-00060-00021137-00021380 although I did not think I was a ez7_JQMy2ny-00061-00021381-00021660 candidate for a heart attack I was a ez7_JQMy2ny-00062-00021661-00021900 diabetic and my blood pressure was ez7_JQMy2ny-00063-00021901-00022314 slightly elevated it did happen in 1994 ez7_JQMy2ny-00064-00022315-00022599 one day I had chest pains and I called ez7_JQMy2ny-00065-00022600-00023024 911 and I went to the hospital emergency ez7_JQMy2ny-00066-00023025-00023345 the diagnosis was a heart attack ez7_JQMy2ny-00067-00023346-00023597 after this major event in my life I ez7_JQMy2ny-00068-00023598-00023936 changed my whole lifestyle the doctor ez7_JQMy2ny-00069-00023937-00024197 prescribed aerobic exercise starting ez7_JQMy2ny-00070-00024198-00024443 with walking a proper diet low in ez7_JQMy2ny-00071-00024444-00024641 saturated fats to lower my cholesterol ez7_JQMy2ny-00072-00024642-00024938 and he also recommended to practice ez7_JQMy2ny-00073-00024939-00025178 stress management I began spending more ez7_JQMy2ny-00074-00025179-00025448 quality time with family and friends and ez7_JQMy2ny-00075-00025449-00025649 I especially enjoy being with my ez7_JQMy2ny-00076-00025650-00025883 grandchildren I still have a busy ez7_JQMy2ny-00077-00025883-00026273 schedule even active life and I'm just ez7_JQMy2ny-00078-00026274-00026677 taking it one day at a time I've been a ez7_JQMy2ny-00079-00026679-00026963 diabetic for 25 years and the doctor ez7_JQMy2ny-00080-00026964-00027377 told me to walk 30 minutes a day and ez7_JQMy2ny-00081-00027377-00027560 stay on this side I was already trying ez7_JQMy2ny-00082-00027561-00027776 to lose weight because I at that time ez7_JQMy2ny-00083-00027777-00028045 weighed over 200 pounds or size 20 dress ez7_JQMy2ny-00084-00028047-00028289 and wouldn't get out and exercise or do ez7_JQMy2ny-00085-00028289-00028723 you think cooked some good meals and ez7_JQMy2ny-00086-00028724-00028985 everybody was getting fat you know the ez7_JQMy2ny-00087-00028986-00029174 doctor says to walk 30 minutes a day and ez7_JQMy2ny-00088-00029175-00029348 stay on his diet and I was already on a ez7_JQMy2ny-00089-00029349-00029564 1500 counter that I lose weight all ez7_JQMy2ny-00090-00029564-00029764 right and that consisted of like a half ez7_JQMy2ny-00091-00029766-00029927 a cup of this and a half a cup of that ez7_JQMy2ny-00092-00029927-00030185 you know when I was used about a 23 cup ez7_JQMy2ny-00093-00030186-00030425 serving size serving you know but I ez7_JQMy2ny-00094-00030426-00030560 stayed with it that semester in that ez7_JQMy2ny-00095-00030561-00030802 semester I lost 25 pounds my back ez7_JQMy2ny-00096-00030804-00030986 problem left me my feet problem with me ez7_JQMy2ny-00097-00030987-00031244 to me walking is the easiest and doesn't ez7_JQMy2ny-00098-00031245-00031470 cost anything eating ez7_JQMy2ny-00099-00031470-00031786 when you're out walking breathe deep and ez7_JQMy2ny-00100-00031787-00032008 saying aloud talk holler if you're out ez7_JQMy2ny-00101-00032008-00033118 in the country where I have your dude ez7_JQMy2ny-00102-00033119-00033395 we need to educate our children at a ez7_JQMy2ny-00103-00033396-00033716 very early age as to what an important ez7_JQMy2ny-00104-00033717-00034016 organ is heart of ours really is it is ez7_JQMy2ny-00105-00034017-00034304 in fact its center drive just as a drum ez7_JQMy2ny-00106-00034305-00034493 as a center for all our traditions and ez7_JQMy2ny-00107-00034494-00034922 our tribal celebrations ez7_JQMy2ny-00108-00034923-00035213 changing to heart-healthy foods foods ez7_JQMy2ny-00109-00035214-00035377 good for your heart it's not difficult ez7_JQMy2ny-00110-00035378-00035687 remove the skin from Giggy and throw it ez7_JQMy2ny-00111-00035688-00035939 away other ways to reduce fat in what ez7_JQMy2ny-00112-00035940-00036149 you eat aren't you drain the fat from ez7_JQMy2ny-00113-00036150-00036452 hamburger and other meats after you cook ez7_JQMy2ny-00114-00036453-00036683 them into muscle meat from wild game ez7_JQMy2ny-00115-00036684-00036968 more often and the places that collect ez7_JQMy2ny-00116-00036969-00037229 fat and cholesterol like the tail or ez7_JQMy2ny-00117-00037230-00037555 organs less often use herbs like basil ez7_JQMy2ny-00118-00037556-00038027 garlic lemon and oregano instead of salt ez7_JQMy2ny-00119-00038028-00038327 or sodium to season your chicken other ez7_JQMy2ny-00120-00038328-00038606 meats and vegetables and eat plenty of ez7_JQMy2ny-00121-00038607-00038918 fruits each day compare labels to choose ez7_JQMy2ny-00122-00038919-00039131 the food lower in saturated fat ez7_JQMy2ny-00123-00039132-00039539 cholesterol sodium and calories cool ez7_JQMy2ny-00124-00039540-00039884 soups and gravies and skim the fat out ez7_JQMy2ny-00125-00039885-00040121 with a spoon before you reheat them ez7_JQMy2ny-00126-00040122-00040400 drain the liquid and rinse canned meats ez7_JQMy2ny-00127-00040401-00041010 and vegetables ez7_JQMy2ny-00128-00041011-00041312 you can also reduce fat and cholesterol ez7_JQMy2ny-00129-00041313-00041691 by substituting foods try some of these ez7_JQMy2ny-00130-00041692-00042048 substitutions try vegetable oil soft ez7_JQMy2ny-00131-00042049-00042312 margarine and liquid instead of butter ez7_JQMy2ny-00132-00042313-00042738 and lard try skim milk in 1% milk ez7_JQMy2ny-00133-00042739-00043164 instead of whole milk try low-fat salad ez7_JQMy2ny-00134-00043165-00043383 dressing and mustard instead of ez7_JQMy2ny-00135-00043384-00043506 mayonnaise ez7_JQMy2ny-00136-00043507-00043860 try egg whites egg substitutes instead ez7_JQMy2ny-00137-00043861-00044252 of 0 eggs try low-fat cottage cheese ez7_JQMy2ny-00138-00044253-00044583 low-fat cheese instead of regular yellow ez7_JQMy2ny-00139-00044584-00044967 cheese try low-fat plain yogurt instead ez7_JQMy2ny-00140-00044968-00045351 of sour cream try low-fat turkey bacon ez7_JQMy2ny-00141-00045352-00045702 instead of bacon fly low fat turkey ez7_JQMy2ny-00142-00045703-00046086 sausage instead of pork sausage try no ez7_JQMy2ny-00143-00046087-00046347 salt added canned vegetables instead of ez7_JQMy2ny-00144-00046348-00046809 regular canned vegetables most people ez7_JQMy2ny-00145-00046810-00047037 have not had to deal with the number of ez7_JQMy2ny-00146-00047038-00047241 life-threatening illnesses that I've had ez7_JQMy2ny-00147-00047242-00047529 to deal with and I think that what's ez7_JQMy2ny-00148-00047530-00047724 caused me to be able to go on with my ez7_JQMy2ny-00149-00047725-00047970 life in a very positive way are two ez7_JQMy2ny-00150-00047971-00048309 things one is that I exercise I walk I ez7_JQMy2ny-00151-00048310-00048576 am involved in in Turkey traditional ez7_JQMy2ny-00152-00048577-00048918 dances I try to eat healthy and but most ez7_JQMy2ny-00153-00048919-00049239 importantly you know like everybody else ez7_JQMy2ny-00154-00049240-00049476 I can't control what goes on with my ez7_JQMy2ny-00155-00049477-00049749 body necessarily but I can control what ez7_JQMy2ny-00156-00049750-00050130 goes on in my mind and so I try to have ez7_JQMy2ny-00157-00050131-00050468 a good positive healthy outlook on life ez7_JQMy2ny-00158-00050469-00050907 try to focus on the positive and and I ez7_JQMy2ny-00159-00050908-00051060 think you know mainly I want to be here ez7_JQMy2ny-00160-00051061-00051290 from my family and for my grandchildren ez7_JQMy2ny-00161-00051291-00051641 and for my tribe and in order to do that ez7_JQMy2ny-00162-00051642-00051842 I have to have a healthy heart and a ez7_JQMy2ny-00163-00051844-00052251 healthy positive good mine we can make ez7_JQMy2ny-00164-00052252-00052491 those changes now by eating less fat ez7_JQMy2ny-00165-00052491-00052749 less saturated fat less cholesterol in ez7_JQMy2ny-00166-00052750-00052965 less sodium by cooking with unsaturated ez7_JQMy2ny-00167-00052966-00053232 oils cutting down on portion sizes and ez7_JQMy2ny-00168-00053233-00053484 watching those extra calories taking a ez7_JQMy2ny-00169-00053485-00053717 walk to the post office walking to the ez7_JQMy2ny-00170-00053719-00053928 store clearing out that favorite ez7_JQMy2ny-00171-00053929-00054063 gardening spot in planning your favorite ez7_JQMy2ny-00172-00054064-00054290 vegetables take a walk with a friend ez7_JQMy2ny-00173-00054291-00054536 participate in tribal dances ez7_JQMy2ny-00174-00054537-00055082 and take time to laugh to reflect to ez7_JQMy2ny-00175-00055083-00055453 relax to read a book but take the time ez7_JQMy2ny-00176-00055454-00055904 to be alone and sit quietly stretch ez7_JQMy2ny-00177-00055905-00056162 breathe deeply be alone with your ez7_JQMy2ny-00178-00056163-00056438 Creator the time for spiritual ez7_JQMy2ny-00179-00056439-00056738 reflection is now e_C7jFnR8PI-00000-00000003-00000896 let's rock baby there's one door I don't e_C7jFnR8PI-00001-00000897-00001118 think I can go in there there's a better e_C7jFnR8PI-00002-00001119-00001618 door I saw I was gonna say other other e_C7jFnR8PI-00003-00001619-00001864 like characters with the cockiness of e_C7jFnR8PI-00004-00001866-00002409 Dante free Dante e_C7jFnR8PI-00005-00002410-00002758 hmm like fight style fighting off the e_C7jFnR8PI-00006-00002759-00003033 evil that makes no sense to human minds e_C7jFnR8PI-00007-00003034-00003386 casually as if it were nothing he does e_C7jFnR8PI-00008-00003386-00003611 not take this entire game seriously e_C7jFnR8PI-00009-00003611-00003997 until like I want to say mission 19 uh e_C7jFnR8PI-00010-00003997-00004420 so he'll sing right as allegory but al e_C7jFnR8PI-00011-00004421-00004729 akkari the anime as we talk in anime e_C7jFnR8PI-00012-00004730-00004952 there's a million of those folks all e_C7jFnR8PI-00013-00004953-00005104 this there's he'll saying there's the e_C7jFnR8PI-00014-00005105-00005461 new one and then there's the Omega I e_C7jFnR8PI-00015-00005462-00005768 definitely don't think that helps it e_C7jFnR8PI-00016-00005769-00006206 predates that will be cry so the e_C7jFnR8PI-00017-00006207-00006397 similarities are obvious between those e_C7jFnR8PI-00018-00006398-00006644 two as well yeah I'm down to the Redcoat e_C7jFnR8PI-00019-00006645-00006884 the twin guns in the [__] the demon e_C7jFnR8PI-00020-00006884-00007091 heritage now I hope you remember this e_C7jFnR8PI-00021-00007092-00007283 fun part where you have to do this e_C7jFnR8PI-00022-00007284-00007552 [__] platforming challenge in 3d with e_C7jFnR8PI-00023-00007553-00007889 camera angles that they try they e_C7jFnR8PI-00024-00007890-00008081 legitimately try to help you with these e_C7jFnR8PI-00025-00008081-00008459 camera angles I completely forget this e_C7jFnR8PI-00026-00008460-00008839 deleted this yeah [__] you what for this e_C7jFnR8PI-00027-00008840-00009002 shortcut I went through well at least e_C7jFnR8PI-00028-00009003-00009142 you recognized it's tough going e_C7jFnR8PI-00029-00009143-00009971 haha Eddie you just jumped off yeah hell e_C7jFnR8PI-00030-00009972-00010324 since 2006 yeah last seems so he was he e_C7jFnR8PI-00031-00010325-00010774 was he was it's probably influenced the e_C7jFnR8PI-00032-00010775-00010931 only thing that saves these jumping e_C7jFnR8PI-00033-00010932-00011149 areas is that Dante's jump has an e_C7jFnR8PI-00034-00011150-00011335 incredibly specific amount of forward e_C7jFnR8PI-00035-00011336-00011731 momentum he can only jump so far it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00036-00011732-00012070 almost locked in how far he can jump now e_C7jFnR8PI-00037-00012071-00012407 if we one easy way of e_C7jFnR8PI-00038-00012408-00012674 of getting an answer there is the the e_C7jFnR8PI-00039-00012675-00012997 garlic heroes of old Mecca with hot e_C7jFnR8PI-00040-00012999-00013274 blood would fight off all kinds of demon e_C7jFnR8PI-00041-00013275-00013478 demonic [__] and not give it my name e_C7jFnR8PI-00042-00013479-00014110 is Ifrit and I will create a sub-genre e_C7jFnR8PI-00043-00014111-00014488 hopefully so speaking of hot-blooded gar e_C7jFnR8PI-00044-00014488-00014951 put these [__] things along this is e_C7jFnR8PI-00045-00014952-00015134 still one of the coolest ways he's ever e_C7jFnR8PI-00046-00015135-00015260 gotten a weapon with them flying around e_C7jFnR8PI-00047-00015261-00015913 like that it's not bad I like it I'm a e_C7jFnR8PI-00048-00015913-00016814 huge fan of agnya Rudra yeah if read e_C7jFnR8PI-00049-00016815-00017339 yeah and now you can weapon switch very e_C7jFnR8PI-00050-00017340-00017630 slowly it's almost like they knew no one e_C7jFnR8PI-00051-00017631-00017735 would ever want to switch out of the e_C7jFnR8PI-00052-00017736-00018092 [__] thing so let's take this first e_C7jFnR8PI-00053-00018093-00018236 spin well you see it off the pause the e_C7jFnR8PI-00054-00018237-00019394 game's charged good boy and killer bee e_C7jFnR8PI-00055-00019395-00019781 there she is why would it be called e_C7jFnR8PI-00056-00019782-00019981 Killer Bee did he learn that from kami e_C7jFnR8PI-00057-00019982-00020375 probably actually probably okay what if e_C7jFnR8PI-00058-00020376-00020612 I kick thirteen kids your team is not in e_C7jFnR8PI-00059-00020613-00021017 this move list as of yet [__] that that e_C7jFnR8PI-00060-00021018-00021326 name come from I don't know so you had a e_C7jFnR8PI-00061-00021327-00021629 forehead with a heel kick at the end e_C7jFnR8PI-00062-00021630-00021896 which is really good so but it's special e_C7jFnR8PI-00063-00021897-00022521 ability is one e_C7jFnR8PI-00064-00022522-00022807 yeah that [__] so it doesn't have the e_C7jFnR8PI-00065-00022808-00023235 combo variability that the alistair does e_C7jFnR8PI-00066-00023236-00023488 so it's definitely not the case however e_C7jFnR8PI-00067-00023489-00023674 kick their team naming convention wise e_C7jFnR8PI-00068-00023675-00023920 reminds me a lot of kill kusanagi's move e_C7jFnR8PI-00069-00023921-00024148 west because all the kills moves are e_C7jFnR8PI-00070-00024149-00024394 named in our numbers and there's a big e_C7jFnR8PI-00071-00024395-00024622 boy because the Kusanagi family taught e_C7jFnR8PI-00072-00024623-00024823 them like you know oh hold on let's uh e_C7jFnR8PI-00073-00024824-00026317 let's be quiet the best and outline it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00074-00026318-00026620 the best it's the best so like in that e_C7jFnR8PI-00075-00026620-00026881 it's the worst of course but it comes e_C7jFnR8PI-00076-00026882-00027135 back in [__] Baio says it yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00077-00027136-00027345 there's a cool thing to say to bird e_C7jFnR8PI-00078-00027347-00027625 monsters especially when the bird e_C7jFnR8PI-00079-00027626-00028042 Monster has a weird ass a face like it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00080-00028043-00028287 got multiple weird out-of-place beats e_C7jFnR8PI-00081-00028288-00028849 it's quite creepy e_C7jFnR8PI-00082-00028850-00029077 oh yeah this the shooting him with this e_C7jFnR8PI-00083-00029077-00029362 [__] he doesn't like it if I could get e_C7jFnR8PI-00084-00029363-00030899 it there that's a gap closer yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00085-00030900-00031145 so I think what they want me to do is e_C7jFnR8PI-00086-00031147-00031386 hop on those but [__] that it's actually e_C7jFnR8PI-00087-00031387-00031587 not very useful at least I don't e_C7jFnR8PI-00088-00031588-00032019 personally find it very useful what's e_C7jFnR8PI-00089-00032020-00032199 actually very useful is shooting it with e_C7jFnR8PI-00090-00032200-00032594 your [__] super-powerful dte bullets e_C7jFnR8PI-00091-00032595-00032838 that's adding them adding the mailing e_C7jFnR8PI-00092-00032839-00032943 list yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00093-00032944-00033375 god damn that's so [__] fun I think I e_C7jFnR8PI-00094-00033376-00033606 said it on the podcast before but you e_C7jFnR8PI-00095-00033607-00033996 did like like the joy of landing a shin e_C7jFnR8PI-00096-00033997-00034518 shoryuken was unique yeah and then came e_C7jFnR8PI-00097-00034519-00035286 distorted real impact oh thank you like e_C7jFnR8PI-00098-00035287-00035726 you gave a fishin shoryuken that's weird e_C7jFnR8PI-00099-00035727-00035922 that's one of the weirdest because I e_C7jFnR8PI-00100-00035923-00036150 cannot think of any move aside from e_C7jFnR8PI-00101-00036151-00036336 distorted real impact with people who e_C7jFnR8PI-00102-00036337-00036630 don't know will explain in a second but e_C7jFnR8PI-00103-00036631-00036984 yeah Ivan in which it is better than the e_C7jFnR8PI-00104-00036985-00037287 game it came from right the omage move e_C7jFnR8PI-00105-00037288-00037671 yes just oh yeah straight up better so e_C7jFnR8PI-00106-00037672-00037863 for those of you who don't know you were e_C7jFnR8PI-00107-00037864-00038142 you in third strike and other games as e_C7jFnR8PI-00108-00038143-00038307 they moved call the ships where you can e_C7jFnR8PI-00109-00038308-00038558 in which he gets you with a short little e_C7jFnR8PI-00110-00038559-00039338 gut punch that makes you [__] cool e_C7jFnR8PI-00111-00039339-00039735 followed by a grounded shoryuken that e_C7jFnR8PI-00112-00039736-00039984 comes from centered Metsu energy yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00113-00039985-00040290 which is used to quell the you the dark e_C7jFnR8PI-00114-00040291-00040485 hidden I don't yeah directly into your e_C7jFnR8PI-00115-00040486-00040776 jaw and then he continues to shore you e_C7jFnR8PI-00116-00040777-00040980 through your jaw it represents the e_C7jFnR8PI-00117-00040981-00041301 purity of his it's essentially a setup e_C7jFnR8PI-00118-00041302-00041634 into a really brutal perfect grounded e_C7jFnR8PI-00119-00041635-00042204 Shore you Dante in three gains e_C7jFnR8PI-00120-00042205-00042470 this move and he calls it real impact e_C7jFnR8PI-00121-00042471-00042585 mm-hmm e_C7jFnR8PI-00122-00042586-00042827 words are carved here and the thing e_C7jFnR8PI-00123-00042828-00042986 about real impact is that if you hit e_C7jFnR8PI-00124-00042987-00043251 your double trigger right at the same e_C7jFnR8PI-00125-00043252-00043577 time at the no way does it let go or is e_C7jFnR8PI-00126-00043578-00043857 it it's on it's on it's on the hit stop e_C7jFnR8PI-00127-00043858-00044145 moment yeah I think it's let go not turn e_C7jFnR8PI-00128-00044146-00044385 on or it might be both regardless you e_C7jFnR8PI-00129-00044386-00044589 use your devil trigger to [__] up the e_C7jFnR8PI-00130-00044590-00044924 move and cause it to hit twice for no e_C7jFnR8PI-00131-00044925-00045510 reason with DTM yeah damage and it it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00132-00045511-00045861 laughs life bar it's very much two slaps e_C7jFnR8PI-00133-00045862-00046170 and what you effectively get is giant e_C7jFnR8PI-00134-00046171-00046574 life bars on giant bosses evaporating to e_C7jFnR8PI-00135-00046575-00046793 ash in shoryuken that you've manually e_C7jFnR8PI-00136-00046794-00047145 timed to buff yeah and it's the most e_C7jFnR8PI-00137-00047146-00047618 satisfying regular will just vaporize e_C7jFnR8PI-00138-00047619-00047987 yes it's the most satisfying of the e_C7jFnR8PI-00139-00047988-00048351 [__] planet and you see the pop of e_C7jFnR8PI-00140-00048352-00048674 the double trigger I like like start and e_C7jFnR8PI-00141-00048675-00048876 input like am I missing something here e_C7jFnR8PI-00142-00048877-00049139 and oh I needed to have something else e_C7jFnR8PI-00143-00049140-00049320 equip this and synchronize with each e_C7jFnR8PI-00144-00049321-00049730 part of the each head of the it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00145-00049731-00049937 amazing go look it up it's yeah there's e_C7jFnR8PI-00146-00049938-00050201 a video there's a video they they it was e_C7jFnR8PI-00147-00050202-00050487 an accident that nine three was clearly e_C7jFnR8PI-00148-00050488-00050895 a bug and then they in they [__] made e_C7jFnR8PI-00149-00050896-00051251 sure to keep it in for because it was so e_C7jFnR8PI-00150-00051252-00051626 dope and it bears mentioning that Dante e_C7jFnR8PI-00151-00051627-00051827 has been in three games playable that's e_C7jFnR8PI-00152-00051828-00052238 three and he always gets a fist weapon e_C7jFnR8PI-00153-00052239-00052515 as a result of it just be cool e_C7jFnR8PI-00154-00052516-00052817 fist weapons are cool yep and the fun e_C7jFnR8PI-00155-00052819-00053040 that we haven't seen yet is when you get e_C7jFnR8PI-00156-00053041-00053363 to your next [__] statue that you get e_C7jFnR8PI-00157-00053364-00053626 to see that alongside the new weapon e_C7jFnR8PI-00158-00053627-00053841 with some bunch of cool moves good e_C7jFnR8PI-00159-00053842-00054025 unlock because you're looking at that e_C7jFnR8PI-00160-00054026-00054291 short you know Alistar move list going e_C7jFnR8PI-00161-00054292-00054526 hey I'll probably unlock those fairly e_C7jFnR8PI-00162-00054527-00054615 quickly e_C7jFnR8PI-00163-00054616-00054874 where's the rest of my money good oh no e_C7jFnR8PI-00164-00054875-00055029 it's a fetish I think that's what e_C7jFnR8PI-00165-00055030-00055467 they're calling fetish and their their e_C7jFnR8PI-00166-00055469-00055699 firepower because now I have a firepower e_C7jFnR8PI-00167-00055700-00055944 everybody got the firepower let's find e_C7jFnR8PI-00168-00055945-00056066 out e_C7jFnR8PI-00169-00056067-00056388 yeah pull up the the name of these guys e_C7jFnR8PI-00170-00056389-00056794 so this rocket launcher really [__] up e_C7jFnR8PI-00171-00056795-00057094 guys real bad it's a bit it's a game e_C7jFnR8PI-00172-00057095-00057304 breaker very overpowered it's a game e_C7jFnR8PI-00173-00057304-00057429 breaker and if you don't want to play e_C7jFnR8PI-00174-00057430-00057699 the video game then you can do that yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00175-00057700-00058032 like it and you know you DT with [__] e_C7jFnR8PI-00176-00058033-00058372 Everett there as we just saw an enemy go e_C7jFnR8PI-00177-00058373-00058829 down better get somewhere to a public e_C7jFnR8PI-00178-00058830-00059332 but not I did these these guys is e_C7jFnR8PI-00179-00059333-00059611 blowing apart in one fetishes do not e_C7jFnR8PI-00180-00059612-00059866 appear on easy difficulty nope e_C7jFnR8PI-00181-00059866-00060229 I did not know that so in fact time to e_C7jFnR8PI-00182-00060229-00060555 come clean wooly back in the day I e_C7jFnR8PI-00183-00060557-00060778 wasn't very good at character action e_C7jFnR8PI-00184-00060779-00061009 games and when I died about a hundred e_C7jFnR8PI-00185-00061010-00061273 times to Fanta and the game which is now e_C7jFnR8PI-00186-00061274-00061569 laughable right the game was like would e_C7jFnR8PI-00187-00061570-00061819 you like to play on easy auto I went e_C7jFnR8PI-00188-00061820-00062169 yeah sure and I beat the game on easy on e_C7jFnR8PI-00189-00062170-00062367 and that was the first time over beat e_C7jFnR8PI-00190-00062369-00062671 DMC and then you had a discussion with e_C7jFnR8PI-00191-00062672-00062863 someone about so and then I went wow e_C7jFnR8PI-00192-00062864-00063022 that game's amazing I would like to play e_C7jFnR8PI-00193-00063023-00063451 it on normal so that cutscene freaked me e_C7jFnR8PI-00194-00063452-00063826 the [__] out because it's not in easy e_C7jFnR8PI-00195-00063827-00064113 mode I went oh my god how much other e_C7jFnR8PI-00196-00064114-00064399 stuff is okay the answer is not that e_C7jFnR8PI-00197-00064400-00064663 much the Frost's aren't there either the e_C7jFnR8PI-00198-00064664-00064885 two Frost's I don't believe they attack e_C7jFnR8PI-00199-00064886-00064978 you either e_C7jFnR8PI-00200-00064979-00065203 but the thought that there's content e_C7jFnR8PI-00201-00065204-00065442 missing on your easy playthrough so we e_C7jFnR8PI-00202-00065444-00065680 got magma drive yes that's pretty good e_C7jFnR8PI-00203-00065681-00066070 yes we got kick 13 that's amazing yes e_C7jFnR8PI-00204-00066071-00066220 give rolling blaze e_C7jFnR8PI-00205-00066221-00066598 I've never found use for this it's fun e_C7jFnR8PI-00206-00066599-00067042 you have meteor yep meteor is pretty e_C7jFnR8PI-00207-00067043-00067246 good yep yep so weren't we're gonna e_C7jFnR8PI-00208-00067247-00067429 focus on kick their team or aren't we e_C7jFnR8PI-00209-00067430-00067819 not even going to scroll down we're not e_C7jFnR8PI-00210-00067820-00067978 even getting ferno's they're not even e_C7jFnR8PI-00211-00067979-00068260 gonna look at it alright and now we have e_C7jFnR8PI-00212-00068261-00068635 kick 13:1 and meteor one this is the e_C7jFnR8PI-00213-00068636-00068986 this is the highest dps like dt move e_C7jFnR8PI-00214-00068987-00069271 that you can do it doesn't seem like it e_C7jFnR8PI-00215-00069272-00069544 but trust me i [__] faut nightmare 3 e_C7jFnR8PI-00216-00069545-00069940 nightmare nightmare 3d md and ya know it e_C7jFnR8PI-00217-00069941-00070285 it hurts a lot when you hit dudes with e_C7jFnR8PI-00218-00070286-00070504 it I'm not saying it bugs me I'm just e_C7jFnR8PI-00219-00070505-00070654 saying that I'm surprised you're not e_C7jFnR8PI-00220-00070655-00071134 saving for air hike because Eric is e_C7jFnR8PI-00221-00071135-00071404 after the vital combat moves such as e_C7jFnR8PI-00222-00071405-00071851 this one that's that's that's cool I get e_C7jFnR8PI-00223-00071852-00072004 the moves that I want and then I get air e_C7jFnR8PI-00224-00072005-00072241 hike that's that's how that's how fat go e_C7jFnR8PI-00225-00072242-00072545 and do e_C7jFnR8PI-00226-00072546-00072767 so that's my favorite part about Ifrit e_C7jFnR8PI-00227-00072768-00073004 is that as you're charging and you know e_C7jFnR8PI-00228-00073005-00073211 it's gonna hit you can turn DT on for e_C7jFnR8PI-00229-00073212-00073742 the one news now the thing what I might e_C7jFnR8PI-00230-00073743-00073937 think of killer V yeah I immediately e_C7jFnR8PI-00231-00073938-00074411 think of the low killer B exactly right e_C7jFnR8PI-00232-00074412-00074632 vulture yeah I don't think gonna be e_C7jFnR8PI-00233-00074633-00075626 stuck this year so we'll leave you were e_C7jFnR8PI-00234-00075627-00075797 looking closely when I was using while e_C7jFnR8PI-00235-00075798-00075988 mashing it you could probably see like e_C7jFnR8PI-00236-00075989-00076196 I'm doing really low cuz IV you're e_C7jFnR8PI-00237-00076197-00076442 trying I'm trying and no no I don't e_C7jFnR8PI-00238-00076443-00076673 think it's happening you can in Devil e_C7jFnR8PI-00239-00076674-00076961 May Cry 3 just do it you can killer B e_C7jFnR8PI-00240-00076962-00077288 and at the end of the hip mass jump or e_C7jFnR8PI-00241-00077289-00077684 time shot and get an intimate jump but e_C7jFnR8PI-00242-00077685-00077822 if you match it too hard you can't get e_C7jFnR8PI-00243-00077823-00077932 the next killer bf e_C7jFnR8PI-00244-00077933-00078221 right and then you do it again and then e_C7jFnR8PI-00245-00078222-00078443 you do it again and see that's the move e_C7jFnR8PI-00246-00078444-00078680 I'm talking about right there and what e_C7jFnR8PI-00247-00078681-00078938 you end up seeing in certain combos is a e_C7jFnR8PI-00248-00078939-00079367 weird weird twitchy Dante and it's the e_C7jFnR8PI-00249-00079368-00079550 sign of like all this [__] knows e_C7jFnR8PI-00250-00079551-00079772 exactly what he's doing it's that and e_C7jFnR8PI-00251-00079773-00079961 it's a dive kick into a jump off the e_C7jFnR8PI-00252-00079962-00080147 enemy's head get back into another type e_C7jFnR8PI-00253-00080148-00080306 it immediately and much like a lot of e_C7jFnR8PI-00254-00080307-00080551 other things until they cry it felt very e_C7jFnR8PI-00255-00080552-00080888 unintentional to be able to twitch like e_C7jFnR8PI-00256-00080889-00081389 that well boy is it stylish because if e_C7jFnR8PI-00257-00081390-00081617 you think about what you're doing it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00258-00081618-00081989 the it's just the coolest [__] it's it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00259-00081990-00082301 pretty cool yeah unfortunately that's e_C7jFnR8PI-00260-00082302-00082475 not here you know what I would love I e_C7jFnR8PI-00261-00082476-00082625 would love to have a boss fight against e_C7jFnR8PI-00262-00082626-00082957 another human style ponent and they do e_C7jFnR8PI-00263-00082958-00083294 the dumb [__] to you but then that e_C7jFnR8PI-00264-00083295-00083561 would endorse the definitely the dumb e_C7jFnR8PI-00265-00083562-00083707 bullsh it's already been endorsed by e_C7jFnR8PI-00266-00083708-00083900 showing up game after game after game e_C7jFnR8PI-00267-00083901-00084116 later it's fun when people love it e_C7jFnR8PI-00268-00084117-00084472 yeah exactly it's very Street Fighter e_C7jFnR8PI-00269-00084473-00084719 that's a bug Oh major game better e_C7jFnR8PI-00270-00084720-00084959 believe it so you know what I found out e_C7jFnR8PI-00271-00084960-00085229 that that combo thing I don't know e_C7jFnR8PI-00272-00085230-00085496 here's the problem so it apparently the e_C7jFnR8PI-00273-00085497-00085697 it's apocryphal you don't know there was e_C7jFnR8PI-00274-00085698-00085963 an interview that came out where a e_C7jFnR8PI-00275-00085964-00086192 fighter to Deb said actually that's a e_C7jFnR8PI-00276-00086193-00086378 misconception dammit combos were e_C7jFnR8PI-00277-00086379-00086569 intended small companies were intended e_C7jFnR8PI-00278-00086570-00086915 but it's almost one of those things e_C7jFnR8PI-00279-00086916-00087155 where you're like are you saying that in e_C7jFnR8PI-00280-00087156-00087509 retrospect yeah no that's what he said I e_C7jFnR8PI-00281-00087510-00087676 believe you couldn't you couldn't say e_C7jFnR8PI-00282-00087677-00087785 that in retrospect e_C7jFnR8PI-00283-00087786-00087992 taking some part of what someone says e_C7jFnR8PI-00284-00087993-00088144 people would think that you're a liar e_C7jFnR8PI-00285-00088145-00088325 taking part of what someone says and e_C7jFnR8PI-00286-00088326-00088598 choosing to not believe it for your own e_C7jFnR8PI-00287-00088599-00088825 weird narrative it's a dick move I'll e_C7jFnR8PI-00288-00088826-00089081 [__] you your son along in my help look e_C7jFnR8PI-00289-00089082-00089342 at my shitty out it's the worst bully e_C7jFnR8PI-00290-00089343-00089999 spring nothing I really came that a e_C7jFnR8PI-00291-00090000-00090218 second life bar gets created on top I e_C7jFnR8PI-00292-00090219-00090457 know and love it hi oh you want the big e_C7jFnR8PI-00293-00090458-00090797 [__] long [__] yeah okay yeah you e_C7jFnR8PI-00294-00090798-00091073 know what I can appreciate the edge of a e_C7jFnR8PI-00295-00091074-00091391 goddamn TV that would cause visibility e_C7jFnR8PI-00296-00091392-00091604 problem change the color you know what's e_C7jFnR8PI-00297-00091605-00091851 actually interesting final fight oh yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00298-00091852-00092129 this is this this is a thing that e_C7jFnR8PI-00299-00092130-00092360 happened in the HD era I want to say e_C7jFnR8PI-00300-00092361-00092551 that's why I feel it could start to show e_C7jFnR8PI-00301-00092552-00092774 up by the way that's kick thirteen and e_C7jFnR8PI-00302-00092775-00092996 DT it's a [__] huge complicate your e_C7jFnR8PI-00303-00092997-00093179 using it on things that can't even show e_C7jFnR8PI-00304-00093180-00093641 off what's happening yeah I know but is e_C7jFnR8PI-00305-00093642-00093929 that look out far away from the absolute e_C7jFnR8PI-00306-00093930-00094162 edge of the screen the health bar is e_C7jFnR8PI-00307-00094163-00094553 it's in there but what I mean is that in e_C7jFnR8PI-00308-00094554-00094778 today's era all of these elements would e_C7jFnR8PI-00309-00094779-00095042 be pushed to the plumb ten pixels away e_C7jFnR8PI-00310-00095043-00095160 from the e_C7jFnR8PI-00311-00095161-00095412 to get that that real estate well this e_C7jFnR8PI-00312-00095413-00095721 is the HD : I just realized the games in e_C7jFnR8PI-00313-00095722-00095940 widescreen so you're not playing it for e_C7jFnR8PI-00314-00095941-00096000 three e_C7jFnR8PI-00315-00096001-00096420 I just just realize here brain did not e_C7jFnR8PI-00316-00096421-00096624 piece that no we didn't that's crazy e_C7jFnR8PI-00317-00096625-00096855 this is not how the game was played when e_C7jFnR8PI-00318-00096856-00097559 you first tried it Hale no wasn't okay e_C7jFnR8PI-00319-00097560-00097881 come on man lock and loads of great e_C7jFnR8PI-00320-00097882-00098265 track and I'm glad that Dante like kept e_C7jFnR8PI-00321-00098266-00098565 it like in his character soul I guess e_C7jFnR8PI-00322-00098566-00098841 well way forward well the other thing is e_C7jFnR8PI-00323-00098842-00099111 like it's like recurring battle music in e_C7jFnR8PI-00324-00099112-00099420 that just also becomes a default god I e_C7jFnR8PI-00325-00099421-00099747 fir dude the life bar has to scroll away e_C7jFnR8PI-00326-00099748-00099948 and disappear every time you tell it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00327-00099949-00100242 great it's great look so bad look to e_C7jFnR8PI-00328-00100243-00100494 enter the lost land only only those who e_C7jFnR8PI-00329-00100495-00100614 protect the weak light shall have the e_C7jFnR8PI-00330-00100615-00100757 power to suffer e_C7jFnR8PI-00331-00100758-00101019 look there's the light why would you do e_C7jFnR8PI-00332-00101020-00101343 it like that cuz it's cool shows off how e_C7jFnR8PI-00333-00101344-00101559 much health you got wow look how much e_C7jFnR8PI-00334-00101560-00101724 health you got you got so much health e_C7jFnR8PI-00335-00101725-00102206 it's like he's got two helps Wow Wow e_C7jFnR8PI-00336-00102207-00102741 yeah you had a plan these guys are e_C7jFnR8PI-00337-00102742-00103050 actually hard to hit with those yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00338-00103051-00103266 or just do that go get hit by that e_C7jFnR8PI-00339-00103267-00103683 though I hate it I it's so loud and e_C7jFnR8PI-00340-00103684-00103917 clear that it's happening like I don't I e_C7jFnR8PI-00341-00103918-00104149 I know what you mean but it's so like I e_C7jFnR8PI-00342-00104150-00104459 don't listen you can't all be perfect e_C7jFnR8PI-00343-00104460-00104764 like you know I get hit by them e_C7jFnR8PI-00344-00104765-00105268 good so the fun part is like in order to e_C7jFnR8PI-00345-00105269-00105501 force you to actually fight the enemies e_C7jFnR8PI-00346-00105502-00105763 like they just [__] put the goddamn e_C7jFnR8PI-00347-00105764-00106548 pain in them no I didn't he just died e_C7jFnR8PI-00348-00106549-00106766 while I like is that Alistar for example e_C7jFnR8PI-00349-00106767-00107040 I think it bounced off them if they have e_C7jFnR8PI-00350-00107041-00107577 their shields but if Hrant can I know e_C7jFnR8PI-00351-00107578-00107708 that in fact the next time I fight e_C7jFnR8PI-00352-00107709-00107904 blades before I blow them the [__] up e_C7jFnR8PI-00353-00107905-00108104 hit the [__] I'm gonna hit the shield e_C7jFnR8PI-00354-00108105-00109541 Alistar yeah and I mean I can see it so e_C7jFnR8PI-00355-00109542-00109746 props to beoh e_C7jFnR8PI-00356-00109747-00110051 for adding the concept of dodge offset e_C7jFnR8PI-00357-00110052-00110346 because to this world because what you e_C7jFnR8PI-00358-00110347-00110579 effectively had back here was your full e_C7jFnR8PI-00359-00110580-00110901 combo some moves are you know e_C7jFnR8PI-00360-00110902-00111264 understandably lost at the end of the e_C7jFnR8PI-00361-00111265-00111540 string because that's where they go good e_C7jFnR8PI-00362-00111541-00111795 because it's a combo well this cameras e_C7jFnR8PI-00363-00111796-00112140 really bad holy [__] but when people got e_C7jFnR8PI-00364-00112141-00112385 used to [__] mastering these games it e_C7jFnR8PI-00365-00112386-00112527 got to a point where they're like I want e_C7jFnR8PI-00366-00112528-00112731 bat kick that one at the end of the e_C7jFnR8PI-00367-00112732-00113094 string it's the only one I want so you e_C7jFnR8PI-00368-00113095-00113349 could then tap pump the button and dodge e_C7jFnR8PI-00369-00113350-00113631 and then pump and dodge and it would go e_C7jFnR8PI-00370-00113632-00113874 further down the combo string as if you e_C7jFnR8PI-00371-00113875-00114093 use the move yeah and give you the exact e_C7jFnR8PI-00372-00114094-00114279 no bananas original name was actually e_C7jFnR8PI-00373-00114280-00114471 called dodge pumpers if you believe it I e_C7jFnR8PI-00374-00114472-00114629 mean that's what she's doing the whole e_C7jFnR8PI-00375-00114630-00114954 time she's dodging the pumping and then e_C7jFnR8PI-00376-00114955-00115323 she pump dodging you know it so let's e_C7jFnR8PI-00377-00115324-00115626 just see if we can get him like this e_C7jFnR8PI-00378-00115627-00115934 yep e_C7jFnR8PI-00379-00115935-00116133 I moved just so much [__] damage if e_C7jFnR8PI-00380-00116133-00116613 you don't block it you [__] amen e_C7jFnR8PI-00381-00116614-00116805 enemies block Dante doesn't you know e_C7jFnR8PI-00382-00116806-00117039 what the thing is in this game I forgot e_C7jFnR8PI-00383-00117040-00117410 you gave DT crazy fast like you hit an e_C7jFnR8PI-00384-00117411-00117576 enemy a couple times full devil trigger e_C7jFnR8PI-00385-00117577-00117824 it spend it why not e_C7jFnR8PI-00386-00117825-00118047 okay so there's some blades coming up so e_C7jFnR8PI-00387-00118048-00118251 I'm gonna use this experience to test e_C7jFnR8PI-00388-00118252-00118593 the thing I wonder if there is a build e_C7jFnR8PI-00389-00118594-00118878 with this game that had walking that e_C7jFnR8PI-00390-00118879-00119067 would have been awful I wonder that e_C7jFnR8PI-00391-00119068-00119295 would have been awful I wonder if e_C7jFnR8PI-00392-00119296-00119577 there's a no no you know what I bet you e_C7jFnR8PI-00393-00119578-00119769 there's a build of Devil May Cry 2 that e_C7jFnR8PI-00394-00119770-00120069 has walking and that there is kids like e_C7jFnR8PI-00395-00120070-00120732 the block by fan request I remember I e_C7jFnR8PI-00396-00120733-00121215 was so into DMC that when [__] I e_C7jFnR8PI-00397-00121216-00121767 started playing God of War and Ninja e_C7jFnR8PI-00398-00121768-00121989 Gaiden black black was the first time I e_C7jFnR8PI-00399-00121990-00122268 got a hold of it and there was a block e_C7jFnR8PI-00400-00122269-00122810 button I went like like that's that's e_C7jFnR8PI-00401-00122811-00123093 how floor in even though those are very e_C7jFnR8PI-00402-00123094-00123405 different types of combat it was like oh e_C7jFnR8PI-00403-00123406-00123777 I feel as if the fact that the fact that e_C7jFnR8PI-00404-00123778-00123966 DMC 2 happened in the way it did e_C7jFnR8PI-00405-00123967-00124479 where were people who didn't understand e_C7jFnR8PI-00406-00124480-00124733 the first game got to rule and e_C7jFnR8PI-00407-00124734-00124992 and give feedback and consensus but e_C7jFnR8PI-00408-00124993-00125336 maybe stuff is here oh well then you e_C7jFnR8PI-00409-00125338-00125607 just need to try it I need air high for e_C7jFnR8PI-00410-00125608-00126214 this to make it happen e_C7jFnR8PI-00411-00126215-00126442 Wow you don't need it at all you're e_C7jFnR8PI-00412-00126443-00126990 doing right it's top man also that e_C7jFnR8PI-00413-00126991-00127216 exposes everything we were just talking e_C7jFnR8PI-00414-00127217-00127536 about it or the probably last episode e_C7jFnR8PI-00415-00127538-00127785 hell yeah we're idiot expect a lot of e_C7jFnR8PI-00416-00127786-00127959 that into selfie don't worry about it e_C7jFnR8PI-00417-00127960-00128101 remember this is the first recording e_C7jFnR8PI-00418-00128102-00128257 session so we haven't had the massive e_C7jFnR8PI-00419-00128258-00128535 depressing Corrections yet so we we get e_C7jFnR8PI-00420-00128536-00128671 to still just have fun with whatever e_C7jFnR8PI-00421-00128672-00128806 we're saying actually a Super Nintendo e_C7jFnR8PI-00422-00128807-00129427 game in business no it's I'll never e_C7jFnR8PI-00423-00129428-00129628 forget it man I wish okay I don't need e_C7jFnR8PI-00424-00129629-00129895 it but I wish I had our hike yeah yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00425-00129896-00130627 for this exact purpose so I'll never e_C7jFnR8PI-00426-00130628-00130771 forget it because the first time it ever e_C7jFnR8PI-00427-00130772-00131056 happened to was blood boy oh boy but e_C7jFnR8PI-00428-00131057-00131407 there was the start of that oh well e_C7jFnR8PI-00429-00131408-00131773 they're still just there the start of e_C7jFnR8PI-00430-00131774-00132109 blood-borne was a solid like long e_C7jFnR8PI-00431-00132110-00132259 session probably like three and a half e_C7jFnR8PI-00432-00132260-00132487 it was way longer it was closer like six e_C7jFnR8PI-00433-00132488-00132754 it was a huge win blood-borne I think is e_C7jFnR8PI-00434-00132755-00132946 like the most excited we have ever been e_C7jFnR8PI-00435-00132947-00133546 to start an LP and that was yeah right e_C7jFnR8PI-00436-00133547-00133810 you crazy switching solstein but it's in e_C7jFnR8PI-00437-00133811-00134050 [__] like a completely different e_C7jFnR8PI-00438-00134051-00134239 times you know and everything like okay e_C7jFnR8PI-00439-00134240-00134491 but the excitement was there and it e_C7jFnR8PI-00440-00134492-00134629 taught me something which is that was e_C7jFnR8PI-00441-00134630-00134731 one that was probably the first time I e_C7jFnR8PI-00442-00134732-00135070 can recall where the new the new e_C7jFnR8PI-00443-00135071-00135352 excitement thing like immediately being e_C7jFnR8PI-00444-00135353-00135556 followed like as it goes like we walked e_C7jFnR8PI-00445-00135557-00135811 away going yeah that was the one of the e_C7jFnR8PI-00446-00135812-00135973 best sessions we've never reckoned that e_C7jFnR8PI-00447-00135974-00136249 was great so she's gonna go back in time e_C7jFnR8PI-00448-00136250-00136447 I even remember where we stopped we e_C7jFnR8PI-00449-00136448-00136864 stopped at [__] one star bloodstone e_C7jFnR8PI-00450-00136865-00137144 yeah yeah and we were like well we don't e_C7jFnR8PI-00451-00137145-00137282 have it within us to [__] do this e_C7jFnR8PI-00452-00137283-00137473 today after it's like six and a half e_C7jFnR8PI-00453-00137474-00138557 hours what man cool so what a sesh and e_C7jFnR8PI-00454-00138558-00138719 then it got ripped apart and then we e_C7jFnR8PI-00455-00138720-00138961 felt bad and it was just one of those e_C7jFnR8PI-00456-00138962-00139108 things you go oh man e_C7jFnR8PI-00457-00139109-00139346 that excitement while you're doing it is e_C7jFnR8PI-00458-00139347-00139648 not always gonna turn that translate e_C7jFnR8PI-00459-00139649-00139984 what it took the audience sometime e_C7jFnR8PI-00460-00139985-00140260 bracing they have a different thing in e_C7jFnR8PI-00461-00140261-00140708 life and you go all I hate this e_C7jFnR8PI-00462-00140709-00140884 so yeah I'm like there's a way to just e_C7jFnR8PI-00463-00140885-00141061 helm similar um over and over but I'm e_C7jFnR8PI-00464-00141062-00141346 not good at it and so ever ever since e_C7jFnR8PI-00465-00141347-00141712 then there's been that outage it yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00466-00141713-00141932 weird huh cause he hit me against a wall e_C7jFnR8PI-00467-00141933-00142411 that doesn't exist so the fun part about e_C7jFnR8PI-00468-00142412-00142619 this fight is god forbid you fall down e_C7jFnR8PI-00469-00142620-00142786 that hole yeah cuz it's an area e_C7jFnR8PI-00470-00142787-00143006 transition that will [__] reset your e_C7jFnR8PI-00471-00143007-00143479 progress ever since then there's been e_C7jFnR8PI-00472-00143480-00143704 the feeling that like if the first e_C7jFnR8PI-00473-00143705-00144202 session is always oh maybe this will be e_C7jFnR8PI-00474-00144203-00144499 the estimate and I admit it always turns e_C7jFnR8PI-00475-00144500-00144778 out the same to go okay okay so then you e_C7jFnR8PI-00476-00144779-00145171 stop assuming the excess give up start e_C7jFnR8PI-00477-00145172-00145483 live stream just assume it like yeah oh e_C7jFnR8PI-00478-00145484-00145733 where you can see it within two minutes e_C7jFnR8PI-00479-00145734-00146046 oh the soup it's all awful e_C7jFnR8PI-00480-00146047-00146275 okay that was in my mind they they don't e_C7jFnR8PI-00481-00146276-00146531 blog yep yeah sure enough there it is e_C7jFnR8PI-00482-00146532-00146732 but if it doesn't have that problem e_C7jFnR8PI-00483-00146733-00147284 because if they block it it just crushes e_C7jFnR8PI-00484-00147285-00147665 yep style area goo just from punching e_C7jFnR8PI-00485-00147666-00147983 him the charge moves on imprint are e_C7jFnR8PI-00486-00147984-00148301 insanely stylish apparently well you e_C7jFnR8PI-00487-00148302-00148454 know when you when you get them right as e_C7jFnR8PI-00488-00148455-00148625 I like countering it almost yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00489-00148626-00149002 oh don't worry bully I'm sure no one was e_C7jFnR8PI-00490-00149003-00149240 sure no one will have any problems with e_C7jFnR8PI-00491-00149241-00149414 the way I'm conducting myself in the e_C7jFnR8PI-00492-00149415-00150092 selfie I'm not worried at all I just e_C7jFnR8PI-00493-00150093-00150284 want to bring something funny that we've e_C7jFnR8PI-00494-00150285-00150629 observed to look so that some Elfi funds e_C7jFnR8PI-00495-00150630-00150785 is right there the camera because we've e_C7jFnR8PI-00496-00150786-00150914 noticed that off-camera and we had e_C7jFnR8PI-00497-00150915-00151042 everyone's right we never brought it up e_C7jFnR8PI-00498-00151043-00151361 like hey I'm having so much trouble e_C7jFnR8PI-00499-00151362-00151541 getting [__] enemy steps going on e_C7jFnR8PI-00500-00151542-00151838 this [__] man like it might it might not e_C7jFnR8PI-00501-00151839-00151910 be in this day e_C7jFnR8PI-00502-00151911-00152186 well my enemy steps seem to be like pure e_C7jFnR8PI-00503-00152187-00152342 but I don't think Killer Bee is letting e_C7jFnR8PI-00504-00152343-00152939 me do it now we will watch the enemy e_C7jFnR8PI-00505-00152940-00153212 step tutorial we're done we'll make e_C7jFnR8PI-00506-00153213-00153353 probably one and how you can get e_C7jFnR8PI-00507-00153354-00153656 infinite killer bees I'm staring at my e_C7jFnR8PI-00508-00153657-00153971 phone and I'm not looking it up don't do e_C7jFnR8PI-00509-00153972-00154181 that what do you mean you're looking e_C7jFnR8PI-00510-00154182-00154319 your phone oh yeah it's a sign of e_C7jFnR8PI-00511-00154320-00154520 chastity a brain e_C7jFnR8PI-00512-00154521-00154751 nice I know what that means it means e_C7jFnR8PI-00513-00154752-00154928 well let's think about that for a sec e_C7jFnR8PI-00514-00154929-00155144 yeah it means you should you're smart e_C7jFnR8PI-00515-00155145-00155315 enough to use your head e_C7jFnR8PI-00516-00155316-00155795 save it for marriage yup just say no man e_C7jFnR8PI-00517-00155796-00156062 those those nightmares about saving it e_C7jFnR8PI-00518-00156063-00156320 for marriage freak me out man just use e_C7jFnR8PI-00519-00156321-00156617 your brain and save be gone but oh yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00520-00156618-00156761 that's right you told your mom you saved e_C7jFnR8PI-00521-00156762-00156920 it for marriage right now you're getting e_C7jFnR8PI-00522-00156921-00157127 married e_C7jFnR8PI-00523-00157128-00157626 good good Jesus you know I wish I could e_C7jFnR8PI-00524-00157627-00157766 [__] translate the look on his e_C7jFnR8PI-00525-00157767-00157947 goddamn face to you people right now e_C7jFnR8PI-00526-00157948-00158235 because it's it's something because you e_C7jFnR8PI-00527-00158236-00158400 okay let me to walk you through what e_C7jFnR8PI-00528-00158401-00158685 just happened I was like I have a story e_C7jFnR8PI-00529-00158686-00158874 and then I was like no no I don't and e_C7jFnR8PI-00530-00158875-00159141 then I felt that so I said hey how would e_C7jFnR8PI-00531-00159142-00159591 your mom feel about that cuz I [__] e_C7jFnR8PI-00532-00159592-00160146 feel it I'm just pull this out just pull e_C7jFnR8PI-00533-00160147-00160422 it out of you make it too awkward really e_C7jFnR8PI-00534-00160423-00160965 not there's no story e_C7jFnR8PI-00535-00160966-00161476 [Music] e_C7jFnR8PI-00536-00161477-00162708 oh I got another demo trigger buddy just e_C7jFnR8PI-00537-00162709-00163304 hanging out oh hey I didn't even see it e_C7jFnR8PI-00538-00163305-00163524 man which game started the gunshots oh e_C7jFnR8PI-00539-00163525-00164082 it's one this stage clear gunshots was e_C7jFnR8PI-00540-00164083-00164504 it - was it that one was easy it might e_C7jFnR8PI-00541-00164505-00164772 have been too - and I would definitely e_C7jFnR8PI-00542-00164773-00164958 remember being in three course it was of e_C7jFnR8PI-00543-00164959-00165473 course it was but was it into though e_C7jFnR8PI-00544-00165474-00165764 [__] never let's oh wait I'm sorry e_C7jFnR8PI-00545-00165765-00166154 what - there's no such thing silly me e_C7jFnR8PI-00546-00166155-00166425 silly you say that but the person e_C7jFnR8PI-00547-00166426-00166806 editing this has words so the funniest e_C7jFnR8PI-00548-00166807-00166991 part about that that curtain the e_C7jFnR8PI-00549-00166992-00167238 correction so we we sat down and e_C7jFnR8PI-00550-00167239-00167421 recorded the final episode of banner e_C7jFnR8PI-00551-00167422-00167598 saga right before doing this for you e_C7jFnR8PI-00552-00167599-00167953 guys and we died a couple times in that e_C7jFnR8PI-00553-00167954-00168198 so we sent it off to Billy and said hey e_C7jFnR8PI-00554-00168199-00168401 cut here cuz we had some trouble and e_C7jFnR8PI-00555-00168402-00168684 then I said hey we're recording domakr I e_C7jFnR8PI-00556-00168685-00168984 won today so if you could make a type of e_C7jFnR8PI-00557-00168985-00169122 card and stuff like that he's and goes e_C7jFnR8PI-00558-00169123-00169347 great because you're starting Devil May e_C7jFnR8PI-00559-00169348-00169966 Cry one my favorite Devil May Cry game e_C7jFnR8PI-00560-00169967-00170360 clear to say mm-hmm e_C7jFnR8PI-00561-00170361-00170753 this is my favorite like I love that e_C7jFnR8PI-00562-00170754-00171123 video game I do it's you oh there are no e_C7jFnR8PI-00563-00171124-00171614 others that are better the correction e_C7jFnR8PI-00564-00171615-00171882 that's great it's [__] great don't e_C7jFnR8PI-00565-00171883-00171991 tell me it's not e_C7jFnR8PI-00566-00171992-00172291 I mean to be fair it is a slanderous e_C7jFnR8PI-00567-00172292-00172387 accusation e_C7jFnR8PI-00568-00172388-00172771 it sure is like it is one that would e_C7jFnR8PI-00569-00172772-00173013 require a press release e_C7jFnR8PI-00570-00173014-00173386 did you imagine life that big in front e_C7jFnR8PI-00571-00173387-00173578 of a picture look and imagine like e_C7jFnR8PI-00572-00173579-00173824 something like in a gawky and Cory e_C7jFnR8PI-00573-00173825-00174061 borrow log both came out we're like yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00574-00174062-00174421 our favorite DMC's - and your sling the e_C7jFnR8PI-00575-00174422-00174610 end the and the gameplay designer of e_C7jFnR8PI-00576-00174611-00174979 Darksiders and you know it's just like e_C7jFnR8PI-00577-00174980-00175282 oh boy it's like should I stop enjoying e_C7jFnR8PI-00578-00175283-00175387 your games e_C7jFnR8PI-00579-00175388-00175759 I mean look like is that words I can't e_C7jFnR8PI-00580-00175760-00175933 there was a bit of of there was a bit of e_C7jFnR8PI-00581-00175934-00176335 a head twist when no no there's a bit of e_C7jFnR8PI-00582-00176336-00176515 a head twist when recently if sooner was e_C7jFnR8PI-00583-00176516-00176776 like sure looking at DMC it's like yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00584-00176777-00176953 you [__] Theory killed it you made e_C7jFnR8PI-00585-00176954-00177757 half of it it still bugs me that the e_C7jFnR8PI-00586-00177758-00177976 definitive edition doesn't exist on PC e_C7jFnR8PI-00587-00177977-00178210 because the mods that created the e_C7jFnR8PI-00588-00178211-00178402 defender petition alright they came from e_C7jFnR8PI-00589-00178403-00178741 PC looks like that means that why did e_C7jFnR8PI-00590-00178742-00178969 you play defended oh yeah for like a e_C7jFnR8PI-00591-00178970-00179148 minute I played it about halfway through e_C7jFnR8PI-00592-00179149-00179734 it's way better yes way way better I did e_C7jFnR8PI-00593-00179735-00179932 the oven no that's not true e_C7jFnR8PI-00594-00179933-00180226 I did the Vergil DLC and then I came e_C7jFnR8PI-00595-00180227-00180592 back and I and I like yeah I think I e_C7jFnR8PI-00596-00180593-00180718 just did like the first couple stage e_C7jFnR8PI-00597-00180719-00180937 like they cleaned it like all the little e_C7jFnR8PI-00598-00180938-00181078 gameplay problems people had trouble in e_C7jFnR8PI-00599-00181079-00181296 round 2 baby e_C7jFnR8PI-00600-00181297-00181644 do it come at me bro e_C7jFnR8PI-00601-00181645-00181975 [Music] e_C7jFnR8PI-00602-00181976-00182434 oh you got glowing with glowing eyes so e_C7jFnR8PI-00603-00182435-00182572 here's the thing we're gonna switch over e_C7jFnR8PI-00604-00182573-00182750 to effort for this while we do that e_C7jFnR8PI-00605-00182751-00183250 crazy to do yeah yeah they really took a e_C7jFnR8PI-00606-00183251-00183562 lot of feedback and the loudest e_C7jFnR8PI-00607-00183563-00183769 complaint early on was the color coded e_C7jFnR8PI-00608-00183770-00184120 yep and that's gone so that on its own e_C7jFnR8PI-00609-00184121-00184665 is like a [__] massive whoa big e_C7jFnR8PI-00610-00184666-00184914 improvement it's a fun fact about this e_C7jFnR8PI-00611-00184915-00185127 fight a fun fact that will repeat for e_C7jFnR8PI-00612-00185128-00185541 many games in this series he now has e_C7jFnR8PI-00613-00185542-00185850 meteor which I just learned he also e_C7jFnR8PI-00614-00185851-00186136 gains the ability to punch and kick it's e_C7jFnR8PI-00615-00186137-00186387 almost like he has his own character e_C7jFnR8PI-00616-00186388-00186796 progress almost parallel to your own e_C7jFnR8PI-00617-00186797-00187089 that's a crazy thing to say though he's e_C7jFnR8PI-00618-00187090-00187381 just a stupid boss how could a stupid e_C7jFnR8PI-00619-00187382-00187554 boss have a character progression like e_C7jFnR8PI-00620-00187555-00187818 me Oh e_C7jFnR8PI-00621-00187819-00188068 summon swords where the [__] did those e_C7jFnR8PI-00622-00188069-00188745 come from anime probably for real e_C7jFnR8PI-00623-00188746-00188956 archery when someone swords actually e_C7jFnR8PI-00624-00188957-00189220 always bothers me cuz it's the e_C7jFnR8PI-00625-00189221-00189472 equivalent of his gun yeah it's his gun e_C7jFnR8PI-00626-00189473-00189777 yeah but like that's a thing Virgil can e_C7jFnR8PI-00627-00189778-00190075 do the Dante just straight up and not do e_C7jFnR8PI-00628-00190076-00190345 and it's insane like it's really good e_C7jFnR8PI-00629-00190346-00190539 and it was sanely powerful because he e_C7jFnR8PI-00630-00190540-00190713 can make it do different things because e_C7jFnR8PI-00631-00190714-00190870 if you want me to paint them as equal e_C7jFnR8PI-00632-00190871-00191052 with differing skills at certain points e_C7jFnR8PI-00633-00191053-00191374 that's fine but Virgil has powers 220 e_C7jFnR8PI-00634-00191375-00191463 pussycat e_C7jFnR8PI-00635-00191464-00191674 didn't he makes ghost weapons do his e_C7jFnR8PI-00636-00191675-00191845 bidding but I guess that's fine because e_C7jFnR8PI-00637-00191846-00192133 Dante gains powers during the games that e_C7jFnR8PI-00638-00192134-00192441 burglars but he's taking weapons most e_C7jFnR8PI-00639-00192442-00192557 yeah e_C7jFnR8PI-00640-00192558-00192707 right it's the summon sort of weapon e_C7jFnR8PI-00641-00192708-00192980 that he just took oh maybe he just has e_C7jFnR8PI-00642-00192981-00193166 so maybe he just took you maybe he just e_C7jFnR8PI-00643-00193167-00193448 killed a demon and uses that yeah one e_C7jFnR8PI-00644-00193449-00193700 about that would explain it cuz that's e_C7jFnR8PI-00645-00193701-00193805 where they get all their other so that's e_C7jFnR8PI-00646-00193806-00194003 everything else that totally would e_C7jFnR8PI-00647-00194004-00194204 explain he's not d-team when he's when e_C7jFnR8PI-00648-00194205-00194342 he's doing it it's maybe it's just an e_C7jFnR8PI-00649-00194343-00194543 earring or something yeah sure or a sock e_C7jFnR8PI-00650-00194544-00194936 you know like a really uncreated demon e_C7jFnR8PI-00651-00194937-00195350 made a demon sock for you to wear that e_C7jFnR8PI-00652-00195351-00195940 get real grungy wouldn't it you know e_C7jFnR8PI-00653-00195941-00196279 it's God's worth it e_C7jFnR8PI-00654-00196280-00196655 that's like Dante are using my TV Oh Oh e_C7jFnR8PI-00655-00196656-00197285 God oh geez don't like that's my demon e_C7jFnR8PI-00656-00197286-00197561 saw now it's the only problem with e_C7jFnR8PI-00657-00197562-00197831 summon swords as cool as they are you e_C7jFnR8PI-00658-00197832-00198044 never get to see them at like what I e_C7jFnR8PI-00659-00198045-00198308 would imagine to be the final states e_C7jFnR8PI-00660-00198309-00198767 it's infinite blade works it's just and e_C7jFnR8PI-00661-00198768-00199103 so I pray yeah like just [__] million e_C7jFnR8PI-00662-00199104-00199490 goddamn swords shooting everywhere it e_C7jFnR8PI-00663-00199491-00199721 like just everything everywhere all the e_C7jFnR8PI-00664-00199722-00199757 time e_C7jFnR8PI-00665-00199758-00199961 all the time like you know what you're e_C7jFnR8PI-00666-00199962-00200141 getting when when you're pumping the e_C7jFnR8PI-00667-00200142-00200540 [__] god what's the what's this e_C7jFnR8PI-00668-00200541-00201310 conversion in for the roses was her e_C7jFnR8PI-00669-00201311-00201637 then in a e_C7jFnR8PI-00670-00201638-00201759 [Music] e_C7jFnR8PI-00671-00201760-00202040 it's the [__] the reality slices e_C7jFnR8PI-00672-00202041-00202287 judgment cuts judgement cuts yeah but e_C7jFnR8PI-00673-00202288-00202587 but no but they have those a different e_C7jFnR8PI-00674-00202588-00202713 name specifically for that version e_C7jFnR8PI-00675-00202714-00202854 because the judgment cuts were the orbs e_C7jFnR8PI-00676-00202855-00203103 ya know dimensional cuz I mentioned cut e_C7jFnR8PI-00677-00203104-00203304 thing uh that dimension cuts that you e_C7jFnR8PI-00678-00203305-00203646 get are totally [__] like just imagine e_C7jFnR8PI-00679-00203647-00204198 that with millions orbs with every e_C7jFnR8PI-00680-00204199-00204447 million stabs happening everywhere all e_C7jFnR8PI-00681-00204448-00204645 the time with with the summons with the e_C7jFnR8PI-00682-00204646-00204798 summon sword and they're spinning that's e_C7jFnR8PI-00683-00204799-00205005 the final level that we never got to see e_C7jFnR8PI-00684-00205006-00205493 do that sick e_C7jFnR8PI-00685-00205494-00205723 [Music] e_C7jFnR8PI-00686-00205723-00205930 you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00000-00000027-00000588 [Music] eB0YnaMiB1Y-00001-00000589-00000998 thank you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00002-00000999-00003606 [Music] eB0YnaMiB1Y-00003-00003607-00003760 thank you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00005-00136062-00136366 used some of that funding for to pay the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00006-00136367-00136601 debt on the 2.5 million that we borrowed eB0YnaMiB1Y-00007-00136602-00136763 for Pacific Cove because we were eB0YnaMiB1Y-00008-00136764-00136907 relocating eB0YnaMiB1Y-00009-00136908-00137189 low-income people project eB0YnaMiB1Y-00010-00137190-00137411 so that's the resources we have the key eB0YnaMiB1Y-00011-00137412-00137554 housing projects that we have in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00012-00137555-00137681 queue right now are obviously the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00013-00137682-00137933 housing element we also have that zones eB0YnaMiB1Y-00014-00137934-00138119 associated with the housing element the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00015-00138120-00138352 goal to try to get those done this year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00016-00138353-00138581 we've been using some of these funds to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00017-00138582-00138790 support our regional contribution to the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00018-00138791-00139049 housing for Health Partnership those are eB0YnaMiB1Y-00019-00139050-00139240 Sheltering options that we do in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00020-00139241-00139397 partnership with other cities in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00021-00139398-00139516 county eB0YnaMiB1Y-00022-00139517-00139816 and then really the key here is to seek eB0YnaMiB1Y-00023-00139817-00139985 Partnerships with a non-profit to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00024-00139986-00140099 develop a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00025-00140100-00140266 ffordable housing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00026-00140267-00140489 number sort of preliminary irons in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00027-00140490-00140663 fire nothing that's ready sort of for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00028-00140664-00140933 public discussion yet at this stage but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00029-00140934-00141143 those will be the big ticket items that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00030-00141144-00141299 really I think would help eB0YnaMiB1Y-00031-00141300-00141419 help and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00032-00141420-00141761 all would utilize some of these funds eB0YnaMiB1Y-00033-00141762-00142097 and then lastly the ecyp funding it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00034-00142098-00142277 the early youth Childhood Program eB0YnaMiB1Y-00035-00142278-00142559 funding Council will recall this is a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00036-00142560-00142823 small carve off of our hotel tax that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00037-00142824-00143111 get and it's restricted to supporting uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00038-00143112-00143327 early childhood and Youth eB0YnaMiB1Y-00039-00143328-00143525 programs in the city eB0YnaMiB1Y-00040-00143526-00143735 most of the funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00041-00143736-00143921 funding used to Grants to non-profits eB0YnaMiB1Y-00042-00143922-00144173 but there is some funding available in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00043-00144174-00144359 this year's budget we think about thirty eB0YnaMiB1Y-00044-00144360-00144502 seven thousand dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00045-00144503-00144731 last year we put thirty nine thousand eB0YnaMiB1Y-00046-00144732-00144940 dollars of ecyp funding into a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00047-00144941-00145114 multi-year scholarship fund for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00048-00145115-00145409 recreation we also kicked off the swim eB0YnaMiB1Y-00049-00145410-00145619 lesson Equity program that was designed eB0YnaMiB1Y-00050-00145620-00145840 to help folks become Junior guard ready eB0YnaMiB1Y-00051-00145841-00146021 who might not traditionally be able to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00052-00146022-00146225 be junior guard ready eB0YnaMiB1Y-00053-00146226-00146371 it's time for the junior guard season eB0YnaMiB1Y-00054-00146372-00146621 and then also two thousand dollars for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00055-00146622-00146819 job skill programs for some of our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00056-00146820-00147209 younger instructors who work eB0YnaMiB1Y-00057-00147210-00147389 so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00058-00147390-00147533 with that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00059-00147534-00147701 case at the end of the presentation I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00060-00147702-00147904 think we can have robust conversation eB0YnaMiB1Y-00061-00147905-00148037 and questions eB0YnaMiB1Y-00062-00148038-00148216 recommendations tonight or to confirm eB0YnaMiB1Y-00063-00148217-00148390 the high-level budget goals that Jim eB0YnaMiB1Y-00064-00148391-00148607 went over confirmed that the projects eB0YnaMiB1Y-00065-00148608-00148793 that we didn't do last year that we want eB0YnaMiB1Y-00066-00148794-00148997 to carry over into next year and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-00067-00148998-00149231 identify the new goals and key projects eB0YnaMiB1Y-00068-00149232-00149459 for our next fiscal year with that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00069-00149460-00149681 available for questions eB0YnaMiB1Y-00070-00149682-00149837 thank you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00071-00149838-00150304 Council questions eB0YnaMiB1Y-00072-00150305-00150557 um I can start the if we can move back a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00073-00150558-00150904 couple of slides to where in parentheses eB0YnaMiB1Y-00074-00150905-00151211 it says resiliency fund and it has the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00075-00151212-00151313 breakdown eB0YnaMiB1Y-00076-00151314-00151661 of I think maybe one more two three four eB0YnaMiB1Y-00077-00151662-00151835 back eB0YnaMiB1Y-00078-00151836-00152123 there so um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00079-00152124-00152428 moving forward with the 4.8 are we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00080-00152429-00152681 generally saying that we're no longer eB0YnaMiB1Y-00081-00152682-00152837 going to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00082-00152838-00153047 with the new expenditures we're no eB0YnaMiB1Y-00083-00153048-00153221 longer going to be having a resiliency eB0YnaMiB1Y-00084-00153222-00153539 fund of 385 because we're kind of just eB0YnaMiB1Y-00085-00153540-00153725 is that what the recommendation that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00086-00153726-00153935 you're presenting today yes okay at this eB0YnaMiB1Y-00087-00153936-00154066 point what we're recommending is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00088-00154067-00154361 targeting a fund balance of 500k eB0YnaMiB1Y-00089-00154362-00154631 um you know honestly we can characterize eB0YnaMiB1Y-00090-00154632-00154883 it as a resiliency fund of 385 and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-00091-00154884-00155231 a 150 000 yeah that's how no I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00092-00155232-00155489 think that's necessary and then um one eB0YnaMiB1Y-00093-00155490-00155771 or two slides back about the project so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00094-00155772-00156119 we have the projects from last year and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00095-00156120-00156352 so my question is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00096-00156353-00156533 um do we feel confident with the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00097-00156534-00156689 carryover of some of these projects so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00098-00156690-00156989 you invite you've identified funding for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00099-00156990-00157181 the community center and some of these eB0YnaMiB1Y-00100-00157182-00157409 other things but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00101-00157410-00157697 um not any additional funding for these eB0YnaMiB1Y-00102-00157698-00157925 and so my question too is out of our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00103-00157926-00158189 2020 23 goals eB0YnaMiB1Y-00104-00158190-00158471 should we be thinking about funding any eB0YnaMiB1Y-00105-00158472-00158740 of these projects to completion eB0YnaMiB1Y-00106-00158741-00159101 um before creating new projects eB0YnaMiB1Y-00107-00159102-00159281 it's a great question and obviously the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00108-00159282-00159419 biggest one on the list is the community eB0YnaMiB1Y-00109-00159420-00159623 center uh because that does have a major eB0YnaMiB1Y-00110-00159624-00159839 allocation that's here eB0YnaMiB1Y-00111-00159840-00160121 I think I think we're good I mean I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00112-00160122-00160343 think that City Hall options study is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00113-00160344-00160607 going to lead to more work so that will eB0YnaMiB1Y-00114-00160608-00160745 need more money down the road and that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00115-00160746-00160919 part of the logic behind holding back eB0YnaMiB1Y-00116-00160920-00161093 that million bucks eB0YnaMiB1Y-00117-00161094-00161213 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00118-00161214-00161375 I think we're good on these projects eB0YnaMiB1Y-00119-00161376-00161513 with the budget allocation that we have eB0YnaMiB1Y-00120-00161514-00161807 so the ones in red in your eB0YnaMiB1Y-00121-00161808-00162125 in your color-coded graph we don't need eB0YnaMiB1Y-00122-00162126-00162407 to worry about but we can expect them to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00123-00162408-00162526 be completed eB0YnaMiB1Y-00124-00162527-00162719 yeah we can expect you can expect to see eB0YnaMiB1Y-00125-00162720-00162928 hearings on those items seeing them in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00126-00162929-00163097 this next fiscal year that's the goal eB0YnaMiB1Y-00127-00163098-00163295 okay so I'll just restate that we're eB0YnaMiB1Y-00128-00163296-00163535 confident with the 2022-23 goals that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00129-00163536-00163697 we'll see those through and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-00130-00163698-00163985 anything added today would be in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00131-00163986-00164116 addition to that I just want I'm playing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00132-00164117-00164339 it safe in terms of funding yeah any eB0YnaMiB1Y-00133-00164340-00164519 other future projects I think that's a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00134-00164520-00164699 fair characterization I do think that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00135-00164700-00164861 you know in my experience having done eB0YnaMiB1Y-00136-00164862-00165131 this when we get to a year from now eB0YnaMiB1Y-00137-00165132-00165287 we're doing this again eB0YnaMiB1Y-00138-00165288-00165473 I would love to say that everything on eB0YnaMiB1Y-00139-00165474-00165701 this page everything on this page eB0YnaMiB1Y-00140-00165702-00165935 everything on this page eB0YnaMiB1Y-00141-00165936-00166102 everything here is done eB0YnaMiB1Y-00142-00166103-00166301 it won't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00143-00166302-00166499 that's the goal and there will be some eB0YnaMiB1Y-00144-00166500-00166649 that you know just for whatever reason eB0YnaMiB1Y-00145-00166650-00166840 are able to be done eB0YnaMiB1Y-00146-00166841-00167111 some of them are multi-year that is okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00147-00167112-00167476 and then um to the allocation for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00148-00167477-00167663 streets eB0YnaMiB1Y-00149-00167664-00167987 um so we have received in the past a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00150-00167988-00168252 breakdown of the costs associated with eB0YnaMiB1Y-00151-00168253-00168563 repaving of our streets and so forth eB0YnaMiB1Y-00152-00168564-00168809 there I put you on the spot to see if eB0YnaMiB1Y-00153-00168810-00169001 you have that information available to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00154-00169002-00169289 us so that we know what we're what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00155-00169290-00169504 you're suggesting lines up to what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00156-00169505-00169690 actually the needs are eB0YnaMiB1Y-00157-00169691-00169804 yes eB0YnaMiB1Y-00158-00169805-00170033 I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-00159-00170034-00170183 there you go eB0YnaMiB1Y-00160-00170184-00170471 so uh council member Brooks is referring eB0YnaMiB1Y-00161-00170472-00170699 to our pavement management plan and this eB0YnaMiB1Y-00162-00170700-00170849 is from a presentation that was made to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00163-00170850-00171028 the council I think it was maybe last eB0YnaMiB1Y-00164-00171029-00171251 spring and it went through kind of a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00165-00171252-00171569 multi-year plan for what streets would eB0YnaMiB1Y-00166-00171570-00171749 be targeted at what time eB0YnaMiB1Y-00167-00171750-00171904 the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00168-00171905-00172181 the yellow line is light Rehabilitation eB0YnaMiB1Y-00169-00172182-00172349 and the orange line which is a little eB0YnaMiB1Y-00170-00172350-00172564 harder to tell is heavy Rehabilitation eB0YnaMiB1Y-00171-00172565-00172775 So the plan projects for fiscal year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00172-00172776-00172943 this next fiscal year we're going into eB0YnaMiB1Y-00173-00172944-00173231 was Capitola Road basically from eB0YnaMiB1Y-00174-00173232-00173621 to 41st Avenue eB0YnaMiB1Y-00175-00173622-00174101 the plan for fiscal 24 next year is some eB0YnaMiB1Y-00176-00174102-00174473 major work on reposa and lower 41st as eB0YnaMiB1Y-00177-00174474-00174707 well as then the green streets you can eB0YnaMiB1Y-00178-00174708-00174952 see with light means eB0YnaMiB1Y-00179-00174953-00175163 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00180-00175164-00175421 the funding that I'd recommend I really eB0YnaMiB1Y-00181-00175422-00175571 do probably eB0YnaMiB1Y-00182-00175572-00175888 heavy work here or it could do all the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00183-00175889-00176014 green work eB0YnaMiB1Y-00184-00176015-00176140 um and you don't need to make that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00185-00176141-00176357 decision at this time we will have a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00186-00176358-00176519 more robust discussion during the budget eB0YnaMiB1Y-00187-00176520-00176759 cycle but to give you a sort of a flavor eB0YnaMiB1Y-00188-00176760-00176993 of it it would let us move forward from eB0YnaMiB1Y-00189-00176994-00177154 2024 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00190-00177155-00177466 sort of half of this project eB0YnaMiB1Y-00191-00177467-00177719 okay can you move to the the slide where eB0YnaMiB1Y-00192-00177720-00177899 you are showing how you're going to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00193-00177900-00178085 utilize the 4.8 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00194-00178086-00178271 so that I can just make sure that makes eB0YnaMiB1Y-00195-00178272-00178390 sense because I thought it was pretty eB0YnaMiB1Y-00196-00178391-00178685 specific okay pavement management at 350 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00197-00178686-00178925 000 and so that's what we said for phase eB0YnaMiB1Y-00198-00178926-00179231 two was 350 000 when it was presented to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00199-00179232-00179399 us for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00200-00179400-00179585 the next phase I just remember what's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00201-00179586-00179866 going to be plus the 550 that's five six eB0YnaMiB1Y-00202-00179867-00180107 seven eight so nine hundred thousand eB0YnaMiB1Y-00203-00180108-00180214 dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00204-00180215-00180490 yeah so that would when this project was eB0YnaMiB1Y-00205-00180491-00181078 planned it was planned around eB0YnaMiB1Y-00206-00181079-00181402 perfect that makes sense eB0YnaMiB1Y-00207-00181403-00181685 um those are all my questions thank you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00208-00181686-00181883 thank you I had a question about the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00209-00181884-00182152 wharf Grant I've had folks come up to me eB0YnaMiB1Y-00210-00182153-00182393 and ask me about money that was allotted eB0YnaMiB1Y-00211-00182394-00182602 in the years past and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-00212-00182603-00182849 they seem to say things were missing and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00213-00182850-00183095 money was spent elsewhere I wonder if we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00214-00183096-00183293 could just outline that one more time we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00215-00183294-00183478 went a little fast on it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00216-00183479-00183731 yeah so really quickly measure F funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00217-00183732-00184054 has all gone towards Council directed eB0YnaMiB1Y-00218-00184055-00184349 measuring projects so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00219-00184350-00184619 we use the funding to renovate The Jetty eB0YnaMiB1Y-00220-00184620-00184937 we use the funding to renovate The Flume eB0YnaMiB1Y-00221-00184938-00185147 which is the concrete structure on the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00222-00185148-00185404 beach that conveys SoCal Creek under the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00223-00185405-00185638 beach in the summer we use the funding I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00224-00185639-00185981 believe to help buy ourselves the loader eB0YnaMiB1Y-00225-00185982-00186185 um that's the odor we use to grade the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00226-00186186-00186376 beach and we used a little bit of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00227-00186377-00186593 funding to help with eB0YnaMiB1Y-00228-00186594-00186652 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00229-00186653-00186797 some of the work that we did around eB0YnaMiB1Y-00230-00186798-00187373 Depot Hill I believe on the pathways eB0YnaMiB1Y-00231-00187374-00187702 we also we also put it towards um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00232-00187703-00187997 law enforcement and police during covid eB0YnaMiB1Y-00233-00187998-00188104 the first year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00234-00188105-00188309 small boy yes that's right we put a some eB0YnaMiB1Y-00235-00188310-00188495 portion of measure F towards maintaining eB0YnaMiB1Y-00236-00188496-00188626 our Police Department during the first eB0YnaMiB1Y-00237-00188627-00188776 year of coven eB0YnaMiB1Y-00238-00188777-00188999 all other funding for measure F has gone eB0YnaMiB1Y-00239-00189000-00189221 into the war so at this point between eB0YnaMiB1Y-00240-00189222-00189431 not funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00241-00189432-00189695 the state's contribution we got 1.9 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00242-00189696-00189857 million from the state of California for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00243-00189858-00190061 the wharf I think we used the first 500k eB0YnaMiB1Y-00244-00190062-00190390 of that for uh we replaced the piles at eB0YnaMiB1Y-00245-00190391-00190540 the end of the war if you'll remember by eB0YnaMiB1Y-00246-00190541-00190823 the way really Steve did that because I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00247-00190824-00190943 think the end of The Wharf would look as eB0YnaMiB1Y-00248-00190944-00191219 fast eB0YnaMiB1Y-00249-00191220-00191369 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00250-00191370-00191566 all of that funding the measure app and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00251-00191567-00191752 then the 3.5 million that's coming into eB0YnaMiB1Y-00252-00191753-00191914 the federal government that's all in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00253-00191915-00192113 pot at this point so at this point we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00254-00192114-00192383 have about two at 275 extra and so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00255-00192384-00192754 that's available for under project eB0YnaMiB1Y-00256-00192755-00193145 that's a lot of numbers I know I'm sorry eB0YnaMiB1Y-00257-00193146-00193297 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00258-00193298-00193564 well do you would you mind just giving eB0YnaMiB1Y-00259-00193565-00193888 like a brief like what measure F was eB0YnaMiB1Y-00260-00193889-00194376 intended for you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00261-00194377-00194687 you were prepared thank you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00262-00194688-00194926 [Laughter] eB0YnaMiB1Y-00263-00194927-00195149 this is the actual measure for measure eB0YnaMiB1Y-00264-00195150-00195359 measure up that the voters voted on eB0YnaMiB1Y-00265-00195360-00195514 um so you can read the language there up eB0YnaMiB1Y-00266-00195515-00195731 on the screen it talks about protecting eB0YnaMiB1Y-00267-00195732-00196013 essential city services facilities at eB0YnaMiB1Y-00268-00196014-00196223 least an emergency safety programs eB0YnaMiB1Y-00269-00196224-00196421 protecting The Wharf and Beach the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00270-00196422-00196619 storms and rising sea levels eB0YnaMiB1Y-00271-00196620-00196907 Parks sidewalks and bike Lanes eB0YnaMiB1Y-00272-00196908-00197038 um so that's the actual measure F eB0YnaMiB1Y-00273-00197039-00197176 language eB0YnaMiB1Y-00274-00197177-00197399 without the question mark because we're eB0YnaMiB1Y-00275-00197400-00197543 doing that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00276-00197544-00197645 oh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00277-00197646-00197885 that's true that was the actual cut and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00278-00197886-00198052 paste okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00279-00198053-00198125 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00280-00198126-00198395 I think one thing that we can do we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-00281-00198396-00198587 done this in the past is we've provided eB0YnaMiB1Y-00282-00198588-00198778 a pretty good measure Africa eB0YnaMiB1Y-00283-00198779-00198947 a comprehensive measure after counting eB0YnaMiB1Y-00284-00198948-00199126 when we do the budget so it sounds like eB0YnaMiB1Y-00285-00199127-00199283 it's probably worth doing that again as eB0YnaMiB1Y-00286-00199284-00199445 we present that's what I was just going eB0YnaMiB1Y-00287-00199446-00199607 to say typically do one to the fact eB0YnaMiB1Y-00288-00199608-00199816 during when we kick off budget and I'll eB0YnaMiB1Y-00289-00199817-00200116 bring one to the full Council eB0YnaMiB1Y-00290-00200117-00200326 and and just to add that it might be eB0YnaMiB1Y-00291-00200327-00200621 nice to add in what an actual measure eB0YnaMiB1Y-00292-00200622-00200866 means and how those create restricted eB0YnaMiB1Y-00293-00200867-00201154 dollars versus general fund dollars I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00294-00201155-00201287 think the difference is very important eB0YnaMiB1Y-00295-00201288-00201538 for the community to know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00296-00201539-00201761 yeah that is that is very important and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00297-00201762-00201940 just to make sure that anyone listening eB0YnaMiB1Y-00298-00201941-00202247 today understands the ecid funding was eB0YnaMiB1Y-00299-00202248-00202481 restricted it was passed by 66 of the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00300-00202482-00202721 voters and it has to be used for youth eB0YnaMiB1Y-00301-00202722-00202937 in early childhood education measure f eB0YnaMiB1Y-00302-00202938-00203176 is a general tax it can be used for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00303-00203177-00203393 general study purposes there's obviously eB0YnaMiB1Y-00304-00203394-00203585 an intent bit baked into this and that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00305-00203586-00203873 what we're trying to live up with eB0YnaMiB1Y-00306-00203874-00204071 the intended to be for but at the end of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00307-00204072-00204383 the day it is general fund eB0YnaMiB1Y-00308-00204384-00204545 great eB0YnaMiB1Y-00309-00204546-00204773 the question or two go for it yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00310-00204774-00204964 um forgive me if you mentioned this I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00311-00204965-00205121 was kind of trying to look through eB0YnaMiB1Y-00312-00205121-00205325 agenda and do some research while you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00313-00205326-00205462 were speaking to it at the same time eB0YnaMiB1Y-00314-00205463-00205684 when you talk about the 200 000 to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00315-00205685-00205846 replace City vehicles with electric eB0YnaMiB1Y-00316-00205848-00206051 vehicles does that include the charging eB0YnaMiB1Y-00317-00206052-00206182 infrastructure do we already have eB0YnaMiB1Y-00318-00206183-00206375 charging infrastructure eB0YnaMiB1Y-00319-00206376-00206573 that's a great question eB0YnaMiB1Y-00320-00206573-00206723 um so you'll remember that one of the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00321-00206723-00206932 projects that we highlighted last year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00322-00206933-00207179 you put twenty thousand dollars into uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00323-00207180-00207442 was charging stations yeah so right now eB0YnaMiB1Y-00324-00207444-00207742 our goal is to use that 20 000 coupled eB0YnaMiB1Y-00325-00207744-00208019 with incentives that uh 3ce is offering eB0YnaMiB1Y-00326-00208019-00208258 to help build out some city fleet eB0YnaMiB1Y-00327-00208259-00208540 charging and then also partnering with eB0YnaMiB1Y-00328-00208541-00208775 the public private partnership this is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00329-00208776-00208960 kind of that's more of gleam in my eye eB0YnaMiB1Y-00330-00208961-00209140 of whether we're able to get there but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00331-00209141-00209416 for more publics charging stations so we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00332-00209417-00209579 think at this point that we would have eB0YnaMiB1Y-00333-00209580-00209771 resource we'd have resources to get eB0YnaMiB1Y-00334-00209771-00210005 charging stations to charge city fleet eB0YnaMiB1Y-00335-00210006-00210701 as we start to buy EVS eB0YnaMiB1Y-00336-00210702-00210887 okay yeah because the 20 000 we put eB0YnaMiB1Y-00337-00210888-00211055 aside last time was for public charging eB0YnaMiB1Y-00338-00211056-00211187 stations and this would need to be like eB0YnaMiB1Y-00339-00211188-00211355 at the courtyard right eB0YnaMiB1Y-00340-00211356-00211577 for for our that was my understanding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00341-00211578-00211727 but I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-00342-00211728-00212315 oh interesting I I had my recollection eB0YnaMiB1Y-00343-00212316-00212471 I thought they were going to be in like eB0YnaMiB1Y-00344-00212471-00212698 the Paco parking lots that like yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00345-00212700-00212867 that's what I found the public that that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00346-00212867-00213203 was my understanding last year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00347-00213204-00213521 so we have some right in in our parking eB0YnaMiB1Y-00348-00213521-00213760 lot so I thought we identified actual eB0YnaMiB1Y-00349-00213761-00213953 spots in the village yeah I thought eB0YnaMiB1Y-00350-00213954-00214084 there were going to be public spaces eB0YnaMiB1Y-00351-00214085-00214241 somewhere I don't know if I knew I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00352-00214242-00214510 thought they'd be here but public rather eB0YnaMiB1Y-00353-00214511-00214673 than city eB0YnaMiB1Y-00354-00214673-00215051 um City Vehicle yes public use vehicles eB0YnaMiB1Y-00355-00215052-00215284 well so in that case we may need to talk eB0YnaMiB1Y-00356-00215285-00215441 a little bit further about it my eB0YnaMiB1Y-00357-00215442-00215632 thinking had been one of the lessons eB0YnaMiB1Y-00358-00215633-00215794 we've learned from the two charging eB0YnaMiB1Y-00359-00215796-00215987 stations we have in the city lot is that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00360-00215988-00216239 the city is not um we're not very expert eB0YnaMiB1Y-00361-00216240-00216442 in managing public charging stations we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00362-00216444-00216653 haven't done a very great job of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00363-00216654-00217169 policing it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00364-00217169-00217648 and the hope that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00365-00217650-00217877 is the city has eB0YnaMiB1Y-00366-00217878-00218056 I think we have something like 1500 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00367-00218057-00218279 parking spaces within you know a mile of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00368-00218280-00218482 where we're sitting right now and if we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00369-00218483-00218717 can bring that to the table we can find eB0YnaMiB1Y-00370-00218717-00218915 a private sector partner that then says eB0YnaMiB1Y-00371-00218916-00219155 okay we'll provide the land you guys eB0YnaMiB1Y-00372-00219156-00219406 provide the charging infrastructure we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00373-00219407-00219641 have an agreement with them so the hope eB0YnaMiB1Y-00374-00219642-00219784 would be that we could do that at no eB0YnaMiB1Y-00375-00219785-00220060 cost and then the thinking was that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00376-00220061-00220253 20 000 this was my own mental vision eB0YnaMiB1Y-00377-00220254-00220619 would help us get Fleet charging coupled eB0YnaMiB1Y-00378-00220619-00220948 with the funding from eB0YnaMiB1Y-00379-00220950-00221141 repeat a fair amount for Fleet charging eB0YnaMiB1Y-00380-00221142-00221255 as well eB0YnaMiB1Y-00381-00221256-00221392 um so that's the that's been my eB0YnaMiB1Y-00382-00221394-00221560 tentative eB0YnaMiB1Y-00383-00221561-00221698 might just eB0YnaMiB1Y-00384-00221700-00221842 need okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00385-00221844-00221963 okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00386-00221964-00222310 um my other question eB0YnaMiB1Y-00387-00222311-00222503 so I was actually it's funny when you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00388-00222504-00222713 mentioned the um Hill and Bay Avenue eB0YnaMiB1Y-00389-00222714-00222851 intersection I started thinking what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00390-00222852-00223037 about the roundabout and then I started eB0YnaMiB1Y-00391-00223038-00223234 looking up where the roundabout was and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00392-00223235-00223492 like the transportation plan uh with RTC eB0YnaMiB1Y-00393-00223494-00223619 and then I heard you say something about eB0YnaMiB1Y-00394-00223619-00223798 the roundabout so is that what that one eB0YnaMiB1Y-00395-00223800-00223931 million dollar future infrastructure eB0YnaMiB1Y-00396-00223932-00224141 project is that what you were saying it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00397-00224142-00224315 would go to something like that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00398-00224316-00224494 I think something like that is a fair eB0YnaMiB1Y-00399-00224496-00224663 characterization you know I'm not asking eB0YnaMiB1Y-00400-00224664-00224855 you to vote and decide like is a million eB0YnaMiB1Y-00401-00224856-00224987 dollars in the roundabout or is it a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00402-00224988-00225148 billion dollars for the playground or is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00403-00225150-00225298 that million dollars for City Hall but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00404-00225300-00225515 there are the community center right eB0YnaMiB1Y-00405-00225516-00225671 those are a number of Big Ticket items eB0YnaMiB1Y-00406-00225671-00225821 that are still sort of developing as eB0YnaMiB1Y-00407-00225821-00226037 projects uh so that's my suggestion eB0YnaMiB1Y-00408-00226038-00226217 holding it aside for one of those things eB0YnaMiB1Y-00409-00226217-00226451 okay and then my last question uh the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00410-00226452-00226655 affordable housing resources I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-00411-00226656-00226871 especially now as we're moving into our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00412-00226871-00227003 housing element and there's lots of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00413-00227004-00227141 questions eB0YnaMiB1Y-00414-00227142-00227387 um can you just give kind of a brief eB0YnaMiB1Y-00415-00227388-00227627 overview of how we can use this money eB0YnaMiB1Y-00416-00227628-00227801 what it's actually used for are we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00417-00227802-00227969 financing affordable housing are we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00418-00227969-00228191 giving it to developers like how are how eB0YnaMiB1Y-00419-00228192-00228556 can we actually use this money eB0YnaMiB1Y-00420-00228557-00228887 probably more technical that I can eB0YnaMiB1Y-00421-00228888-00229121 actually answer I will I will give you a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00422-00229121-00229265 high level and then we'll see if our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00423-00229266-00229415 community development director wants if eB0YnaMiB1Y-00424-00229416-00229631 you want to go to a deeper dive eB0YnaMiB1Y-00425-00229632-00229882 so as I mentioned each one of these eB0YnaMiB1Y-00426-00229883-00230110 funding streams is different and that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00427-00230111-00230279 just because they come from different eB0YnaMiB1Y-00428-00230280-00230692 places and they have eB0YnaMiB1Y-00429-00230694-00230891 they have trust or bottom is the most eB0YnaMiB1Y-00430-00230892-00231082 flexible that's our funding that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00431-00231083-00231269 collect from inclusionary funding and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00432-00231269-00231677 it's really we can use it to improve or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00433-00231678-00231905 help low-income individuals approve eB0YnaMiB1Y-00434-00231906-00232115 low-income housing or or help low-income eB0YnaMiB1Y-00435-00232116-00232391 individuals with housing the then going eB0YnaMiB1Y-00436-00232392-00232565 back up to the top because I'm very eB0YnaMiB1Y-00437-00232566-00232715 familiar with Redevelopment Housing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00438-00232716-00232942 funds those include really specific eB0YnaMiB1Y-00439-00232944-00233213 restrictions and usually what you do is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00440-00233214-00233417 you use those funds to partner with eB0YnaMiB1Y-00441-00233417-00233632 non-profit developers and you have to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00442-00233633-00233801 deed restrict mental housing I believe eB0YnaMiB1Y-00443-00233802-00233981 it's for 55 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00444-00233982-00234287 specific requirements the home reuse has eB0YnaMiB1Y-00445-00234288-00234437 some really weird requirements that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00446-00234438-00234581 Katie's told me about and I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00447-00234582-00234839 remember all the details in the plha eB0YnaMiB1Y-00448-00234840-00235031 funding is new so I'm going to turn it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00449-00235032-00235175 over to Katie and see if you can help me eB0YnaMiB1Y-00450-00235176-00235348 with those okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00451-00235350-00235717 um so the home reuse we we can look at eB0YnaMiB1Y-00452-00235717-00235967 existing housing projects out there that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00453-00235967-00236065 need eB0YnaMiB1Y-00454-00236066-00236303 upgrades and assistance so that's one eB0YnaMiB1Y-00455-00236304-00236555 thing we can use for home reuse we can eB0YnaMiB1Y-00456-00236556-00236879 also I believe partner with the Santa eB0YnaMiB1Y-00457-00236880-00237251 Cruz housing authority and in assisting eB0YnaMiB1Y-00458-00237252-00237442 with some like rental assistance or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00459-00237444-00237731 vouchers with home reuse eB0YnaMiB1Y-00460-00237732-00238121 um but I I can come back with or send eB0YnaMiB1Y-00461-00238121-00238306 out a summary to you of exactly what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00462-00238307-00238481 home reuse is because it's very eB0YnaMiB1Y-00463-00238482-00238637 technical but I think one thing we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-00464-00238638-00238906 looked at in the past is there are some eB0YnaMiB1Y-00465-00238907-00239105 projects around town that are outdated eB0YnaMiB1Y-00466-00239106-00239356 and could use some updating and Homer eB0YnaMiB1Y-00467-00239357-00239656 used to be agrees to those funds another eB0YnaMiB1Y-00468-00239657-00239896 thing with home reuse is down payment eB0YnaMiB1Y-00469-00239898-00240089 assistance but it is a needle in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00470-00240090-00240331 haystack uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00471-00240332-00240587 exercise of trying to find somebody eB0YnaMiB1Y-00472-00240588-00240941 that's low income that the home price is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00473-00240942-00241187 correct that they can afford and but we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00474-00241188-00241360 could utilize it for down payment eB0YnaMiB1Y-00475-00241361-00241684 assistance the plha there's five eB0YnaMiB1Y-00476-00241685-00241919 categories that plha funding can be eB0YnaMiB1Y-00477-00241919-00242089 utilized for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00478-00242090-00242453 one is for the regional efforts towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-00479-00242454-00242603 homelessness and it's more of an eB0YnaMiB1Y-00480-00242604-00242731 immediate eB0YnaMiB1Y-00481-00242732-00242981 assistance so we've talked about for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00482-00242982-00243263 hap using or it's now no longer the hap eB0YnaMiB1Y-00483-00243264-00243473 but the Regional Housing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00484-00243473-00243671 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00485-00243671-00243898 efforts we can utilize money towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-00486-00243900-00244187 that two other categories are towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-00487-00244188-00244373 ownership projects for affordable eB0YnaMiB1Y-00488-00244373-00244529 housing and then rental projects for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00489-00244530-00244787 affordable housing so for our our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00490-00244788-00245015 purposes and our um where we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-00491-00245016-00245206 dedicated money within our application eB0YnaMiB1Y-00492-00245207-00245525 for plha and we just got the preliminary eB0YnaMiB1Y-00493-00245526-00245867 notice that um our application has been eB0YnaMiB1Y-00494-00245867-00246089 approved but we don't have a contract in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00495-00246090-00246221 place yet eB0YnaMiB1Y-00496-00246221-00246694 um for that for for 181 000 but we put eB0YnaMiB1Y-00497-00246696-00246887 we decided to put our money towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-00498-00246888-00247156 ownership units we can always modify our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00499-00247157-00247313 application if there's a great rental eB0YnaMiB1Y-00500-00247314-00247517 project that comes through but typically eB0YnaMiB1Y-00501-00247517-00247794 the city in the past has done ownership eB0YnaMiB1Y-00502-00247796-00248071 projects and then there's two other eB0YnaMiB1Y-00503-00248071-00248321 buckets and I want to say one is for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00504-00248321-00248494 infrastructure and I'm not sure what the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00505-00248496-00248692 other is for but I can bring back eB0YnaMiB1Y-00506-00248694-00249065 actually when we bring back the plha to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00507-00249066-00249425 adopt the receiving of the award again eB0YnaMiB1Y-00508-00249426-00249671 I'm a full summary on that for you so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00509-00249671-00249851 if there's any other questions I'm happy eB0YnaMiB1Y-00510-00249852-00250103 to answer them thank you not to go off eB0YnaMiB1Y-00511-00250104-00250234 the rails here a little bit but is that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00512-00250235-00250384 the funding when you say towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-00513-00250385-00250660 affordable rental or excuse me eB0YnaMiB1Y-00514-00250661-00250756 affordable eB0YnaMiB1Y-00515-00250757-00251008 um ownership is that the kind of funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00516-00251009-00251344 that we helped with like the Bay Avenue eB0YnaMiB1Y-00517-00251346-00251560 um senior so the Bay Avenue senior eB0YnaMiB1Y-00518-00251561-00251801 project utilized two sources of funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00519-00251802-00252017 if I remember correctly we put in I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00520-00252017-00252217 think it was around a million dollars of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00521-00252217-00252467 RDA funds and then we put a chunk of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00522-00252467-00252748 Home funding I think into it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00523-00252750-00252917 the Bay Avenue senior project was eB0YnaMiB1Y-00524-00252917-00253265 developed by a third party eB0YnaMiB1Y-00525-00253266-00253432 in the Salvation Army eB0YnaMiB1Y-00526-00253433-00253642 came through they got together an entire eB0YnaMiB1Y-00527-00253644-00253841 funding package that included some City eB0YnaMiB1Y-00528-00253842-00254098 money as well as tax credits eB0YnaMiB1Y-00529-00254100-00254284 um and that ultimately built out the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00530-00254285-00254573 project so you know I think in terms of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00531-00254573-00254741 thinking about these funds there's a lot eB0YnaMiB1Y-00532-00254742-00254981 of different kinds of programs we can do eB0YnaMiB1Y-00533-00254982-00255275 but I think maybe conceptualizing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00534-00255276-00255581 we generally can make big allocations to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00535-00255582-00255803 partner with non-profit to help build or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00536-00255804-00256169 renate eB0YnaMiB1Y-00537-00256169-00256342 and then the other kind of thing we can eB0YnaMiB1Y-00538-00256344-00256739 do is more of the program type funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00539-00256740-00256996 funding things like cab helping cab out eB0YnaMiB1Y-00540-00256998-00257182 with the emergency housing assistance to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00541-00257183-00257471 people from being evicted it is the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00542-00257471-00257644 housing for health contributions that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00543-00257646-00257848 Katie mentioned where we help fund eB0YnaMiB1Y-00544-00257850-00258058 Regional shelters it's kind of like the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00545-00258059-00258179 money where you write the check every eB0YnaMiB1Y-00546-00258180-00258382 year and you're helping people but it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00547-00258383-00258556 not building new stocks we have those eB0YnaMiB1Y-00548-00258557-00258713 kinds of things that we can fund with it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00549-00258714-00258887 and then we also have the big ticket eB0YnaMiB1Y-00550-00258888-00259121 items when you those you know you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00551-00259121-00259294 non-profit developer that wants to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00552-00259296-00259498 renovate an apartment complex and buy it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00553-00259500-00259805 and how we can participate and help eB0YnaMiB1Y-00554-00259806-00260044 okay cool thank you thank you for your eB0YnaMiB1Y-00555-00260046-00260225 patience Willie I I went on some eB0YnaMiB1Y-00556-00260226-00260446 questions for Katie before she sit down eB0YnaMiB1Y-00557-00260448-00260705 is that is that okay no yeah um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00558-00260706-00260998 Katie for with these dollars what's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00559-00261000-00261173 being proposed today is a hundred eB0YnaMiB1Y-00560-00261173-00261394 thousand dollars for our housing program eB0YnaMiB1Y-00561-00261396-00261694 which used to be 300 000 was general eB0YnaMiB1Y-00562-00261696-00261982 fund can any of these dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00563-00261983-00262277 be utilized for that program and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-00564-00262278-00262553 that opens up more general fund for us eB0YnaMiB1Y-00565-00262554-00262858 for the housing Element no the um the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00566-00262859-00263182 employee assistance eB0YnaMiB1Y-00567-00263183-00263447 I don't believe these funds can be used eB0YnaMiB1Y-00568-00263448-00263699 because these are tied to uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00569-00263700-00264065 um for low income and they would be eB0YnaMiB1Y-00570-00264066-00264341 restricted dollars in which with with if eB0YnaMiB1Y-00571-00264342-00264443 it was to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00572-00264444-00264575 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00573-00264576-00264880 I think the the only way it could eB0YnaMiB1Y-00574-00264881-00265055 qualify would be for the down payment eB0YnaMiB1Y-00575-00265056-00265289 assistance but that person would have to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00576-00265290-00265582 qualify as low income and exactly eB0YnaMiB1Y-00577-00265583-00265829 there's so many technical aspects to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00578-00265830-00266129 that that in my time here we've had one eB0YnaMiB1Y-00579-00266130-00266315 successful down payment assistance eB0YnaMiB1Y-00580-00266316-00266543 program application passed through our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00581-00266544-00266867 cdbg grant and we had that open for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00582-00266868-00267113 years so it is a needle in the haystack eB0YnaMiB1Y-00583-00267114-00267263 I think it'd be much more efficient to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00584-00267264-00267556 use the city program we could when that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00585-00267557-00267755 person comes in we could see if if what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00586-00267756-00267973 they're buying eB0YnaMiB1Y-00587-00267974-00268241 and maybe I think that might be a work I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00588-00268242-00268415 mean we're talking about programs here eB0YnaMiB1Y-00589-00268416-00268667 and trying to think about opportunities eB0YnaMiB1Y-00590-00268668-00268960 and before Jamie you go the other point eB0YnaMiB1Y-00591-00268961-00269147 uh the other question and something you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00592-00269148-00269303 said was about the rental assistance and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00593-00269304-00269549 so we have a three-year Grant providing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00594-00269550-00269813 rental assistance for cab currently cab eB0YnaMiB1Y-00595-00269814-00270023 I think I'm getting the right one eB0YnaMiB1Y-00596-00270024-00270155 um but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00597-00270156-00270491 where we use our general fund to to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00598-00270492-00270665 offer those grants and again I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-00599-00270666-00270899 wondering why we're not so I know we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00600-00270900-00271145 have our big grant for cab but then we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00601-00271146-00271384 they came back and negotiated more eB0YnaMiB1Y-00602-00271385-00271582 rental assistance eB0YnaMiB1Y-00603-00271583-00271847 um program dollars and we pulled that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00604-00271848-00272003 out of general fund rather than eB0YnaMiB1Y-00605-00272004-00272195 somewhere here and so I'm just wondering eB0YnaMiB1Y-00606-00272196-00272387 if that's an option to open more general eB0YnaMiB1Y-00607-00272388-00272645 fund dollars they come out of our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00608-00272646-00272921 housing fund the cab fund comes out of a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00609-00272922-00273208 special fund for housing so this the um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00610-00273209-00273377 down payment assistance would be out of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00611-00273378-00273563 the general fund eB0YnaMiB1Y-00612-00273564-00273808 um because it really depends on whether eB0YnaMiB1Y-00613-00273809-00274001 or not the applicant would qualify for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00614-00274002-00274175 low income and there's so many I know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00615-00274176-00274325 that it comes out but I'm speaking more eB0YnaMiB1Y-00616-00274326-00274456 specifically to the grants that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00617-00274457-00274625 allocated the three years and maybe you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00618-00274626-00275015 can just come back with whether we can eB0YnaMiB1Y-00619-00275016-00275184 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00620-00275185-00275621 utilize any more of this for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00621-00275622-00275777 three-year Grant cycle that we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-00622-00275778-00275910 already approved eB0YnaMiB1Y-00623-00275911-00276275 in the future and I think for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00624-00276276-00276563 increase for the recommendation that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00625-00276564-00276784 you're making on a hundred thousand for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00626-00276785-00276977 our employee eB0YnaMiB1Y-00627-00276978-00277337 you know could we build another sector eB0YnaMiB1Y-00628-00277338-00277534 you know build that in as an option for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00629-00277535-00277829 them to access these programs as well or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00630-00277830-00277991 because that just opened that could open eB0YnaMiB1Y-00631-00277992-00278165 two hundred thousand dollars in general eB0YnaMiB1Y-00632-00278166-00278358 fund essentially you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00633-00278359-00278632 150 000. we'll definitely take a look at eB0YnaMiB1Y-00634-00278633-00278873 it you know I I have a recollection that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00635-00278874-00279029 the Housing Trust has some specific eB0YnaMiB1Y-00636-00279030-00279239 roles it says like employees can't take eB0YnaMiB1Y-00637-00279240-00279484 advantage of it and someone but but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00638-00279485-00279677 we'll take a look your point is well eB0YnaMiB1Y-00639-00279678-00279851 taken and that's actually something we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00640-00279852-00280180 tried to do uh we try to do every year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00641-00280181-00280439 is look through like hey from eB0YnaMiB1Y-00642-00280440-00280613 contributing money because historically eB0YnaMiB1Y-00643-00280614-00280805 actually we paid the funding for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00644-00280806-00281021 housing for health Sheltering efforts it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00645-00281022-00281182 used to be called the hap we had to pay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00646-00281183-00281387 that out of the general fund eB0YnaMiB1Y-00647-00281388-00281627 um and so changes in Redevelopment law eB0YnaMiB1Y-00648-00281628-00281915 let us use Redevelopment agency fund and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00649-00281916-00282203 then more recently with the plha funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00650-00282204-00282395 our plan is to transition it there so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00651-00282396-00282617 our goal is always to find these but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00652-00282618-00282791 it's always good to look and check and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00653-00282792-00282958 see if there's an opportunity to utilize eB0YnaMiB1Y-00654-00282959-00283091 the restricted funding rather than eB0YnaMiB1Y-00655-00283092-00283349 General but yeah thank you sorry Kristen eB0YnaMiB1Y-00656-00283350-00283595 I don't know if that was wrong no no eB0YnaMiB1Y-00657-00283596-00283882 yeah I'm done for now eB0YnaMiB1Y-00658-00283883-00284075 um I just have one question with the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00659-00284076-00284284 city hall options study does that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00660-00284285-00284447 including the police department as well eB0YnaMiB1Y-00661-00284448-00284669 or is that just specifically City Hall eB0YnaMiB1Y-00662-00284670-00284825 it's both the police department and City eB0YnaMiB1Y-00663-00284826-00285293 Hall okay thanks eB0YnaMiB1Y-00664-00285294-00285449 okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00665-00285450-00285767 um I think I did have a couple questions eB0YnaMiB1Y-00666-00285768-00285887 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00667-00285888-00286129 this might be actually more eB0YnaMiB1Y-00668-00286130-00286439 infrastructure wise but um the bollards eB0YnaMiB1Y-00669-00286440-00286667 I noticed eB0YnaMiB1Y-00670-00286668-00287015 um a lot of that we still put out wooden eB0YnaMiB1Y-00671-00287016-00287255 barricades during the last like couple eB0YnaMiB1Y-00672-00287256-00287465 events instead of using the bollards or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00673-00287466-00289301 maybe I'm not seeing that correctly eB0YnaMiB1Y-00674-00289302-00289523 so the removable bollards were actually eB0YnaMiB1Y-00675-00289524-00289817 purchased with a grant through the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00676-00289818-00290069 it was through the county we got that a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00677-00290070-00290213 couple years ago but those are removable eB0YnaMiB1Y-00678-00290214-00290429 bollards and so we've been utilizing eB0YnaMiB1Y-00679-00290430-00290627 those depending on the traffic flow so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00680-00290628-00290747 if it's going to be like a lockdown eB0YnaMiB1Y-00681-00290748-00290908 event because once we put them in place eB0YnaMiB1Y-00682-00290909-00291065 there's they're supposed to be locked up eB0YnaMiB1Y-00683-00291066-00291437 so depending on the traffic vote okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00684-00291438-00291695 okay and so they're they're usable eB0YnaMiB1Y-00685-00291696-00291905 they're yeah in good shape okay cool eB0YnaMiB1Y-00686-00291906-00292169 they're usable and like I said we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-00687-00292170-00292367 that was that was all funded on a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00688-00292368-00292739 different okay gotcha and then I noticed eB0YnaMiB1Y-00689-00292740-00292805 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00690-00292806-00293069 one of my goals from the previous eB0YnaMiB1Y-00691-00293070-00293417 session it I think it was highlighted as eB0YnaMiB1Y-00692-00293418-00293699 green is completed but I'm not sure what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00693-00293700-00293971 the status of that project is for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00694-00293972-00294275 crosswalk at Esplanade in Stockton eB0YnaMiB1Y-00695-00294276-00294551 Bridge eB0YnaMiB1Y-00696-00294552-00294863 it's not correct because eB0YnaMiB1Y-00697-00294864-00294965 project has eB0YnaMiB1Y-00698-00294966-00295097 n't been so I think that one should be eB0YnaMiB1Y-00699-00295098-00295373 orange but let's let's hear from our uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00700-00295374-00295565 Public Works director eB0YnaMiB1Y-00701-00295566-00295763 we have four of those on order so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00702-00295764-00295991 they've been paid for cool but okay stop eB0YnaMiB1Y-00703-00295992-00296189 it installed okay also partially eB0YnaMiB1Y-00704-00296190-00296405 completed okay well good good to know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00705-00296406-00296530 I'm glad it's on the radar that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00706-00296531-00296795 awesome and then um oh yeah and then I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00707-00296796-00296915 was gonna ask about charging stations eB0YnaMiB1Y-00708-00296916-00297275 but we covered that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00709-00297276-00297575 all right eB0YnaMiB1Y-00710-00297576-00298108 so any public comments eB0YnaMiB1Y-00711-00298109-00298679 great eB0YnaMiB1Y-00712-00298680-00298895 welcome Valerie you can unmute yourself eB0YnaMiB1Y-00713-00298896-00300180 and you have three minutes eB0YnaMiB1Y-00714-00300181-00300653 got all excited okay fine eB0YnaMiB1Y-00715-00300654-00300953 okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-00716-00300954-00301180 so we'll take you back to council eB0YnaMiB1Y-00717-00301181-00301463 comments deliberation eB0YnaMiB1Y-00718-00301464-00301913 things eB0YnaMiB1Y-00719-00301914-00302213 are we pulling up one of our fun eB0YnaMiB1Y-00720-00302214-00302399 spreadsheets you want to go full eB0YnaMiB1Y-00721-00302400-00302591 spreadsheet right now spreadsheet we're eB0YnaMiB1Y-00722-00302592-00302795 going we're going spreadsheet let's do eB0YnaMiB1Y-00723-00302796-00303092 it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00724-00303093-00303473 [Laughter] eB0YnaMiB1Y-00725-00303474-00305008 so predictable you are he's prepared eB0YnaMiB1Y-00726-00305009-00305230 so here's a spreadsheet I put it put it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00727-00305231-00305363 together I think I've got everything eB0YnaMiB1Y-00728-00305364-00305639 that was on that sheet four that's right eB0YnaMiB1Y-00729-00305640-00305884 starting with the debt payoff and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-00730-00305885-00306125 the projects listed out so if council eB0YnaMiB1Y-00731-00306126-00306304 members want to weigh in on them you can eB0YnaMiB1Y-00732-00306305-00306449 do it sometimes what we've done in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00733-00306450-00306719 past is Council Members say looks good eB0YnaMiB1Y-00734-00306720-00306995 or I wouldn't want to do ax or let's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00735-00306996-00307145 move money eB0YnaMiB1Y-00736-00307146-00307384 you want to go item by item is that what eB0YnaMiB1Y-00737-00307385-00307534 you're saying yeah you know it's kind of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00738-00307535-00307673 the council's discretion how you best eB0YnaMiB1Y-00739-00307674-00307889 want to move through it um but this was eB0YnaMiB1Y-00740-00307890-00308027 saved if you want to go through it each eB0YnaMiB1Y-00741-00308028-00308243 way or if council members say it looks eB0YnaMiB1Y-00742-00308244-00308471 looks fine I would like to make two eB0YnaMiB1Y-00743-00308472-00308815 changes that's whatever format works eB0YnaMiB1Y-00744-00308816-00309160 and do math on the fly if necessary I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-00745-00309161-00309467 good with going through each piece just eB0YnaMiB1Y-00746-00309468-00309803 piece it out make it clear okay so the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00747-00309804-00310037 debt payoff eB0YnaMiB1Y-00748-00310038-00310223 any comments eB0YnaMiB1Y-00749-00310224-00310558 I have a just a general comment that I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00750-00310559-00310715 feel like eB0YnaMiB1Y-00751-00310716-00311021 we're allocating nearly five million eB0YnaMiB1Y-00752-00311022-00311201 dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00753-00311202-00311489 me personally having seen this list of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00754-00311490-00311710 10 or so items eB0YnaMiB1Y-00755-00311711-00311897 just yesterday eB0YnaMiB1Y-00756-00311898-00312130 and you know that five million dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00757-00312131-00312347 is not a small amount of money I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00758-00312348-00312587 personally feel like we are dedicating eB0YnaMiB1Y-00759-00312588-00312839 an appropriate amount of time to this eB0YnaMiB1Y-00760-00312840-00313054 amount of allocation eB0YnaMiB1Y-00761-00313055-00313360 I would love to see this list weeks in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00762-00313361-00313613 advance and have multiple meetings to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00763-00313614-00313780 discuss it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00764-00313781-00314056 so one thing that may help a little bit eB0YnaMiB1Y-00765-00314057-00314225 of that is is that we're actually not eB0YnaMiB1Y-00766-00314226-00314382 making any finals eB0YnaMiB1Y-00767-00314383-00314639 so we will have another meeting Yeah we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00768-00314640-00314821 actually that entire budget calendar eB0YnaMiB1Y-00769-00314822-00315160 okay you have 20 more times yeah I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00770-00315161-00315299 thought this was We were supposed to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00771-00315300-00315467 approve this right now you wish it was eB0YnaMiB1Y-00772-00315468-00315763 that easy yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00773-00315764-00316127 mayor Kaiser though if I may some of the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00774-00316128-00316423 items I want to propose today might eB0YnaMiB1Y-00775-00316424-00316727 Force the other items to be reduced a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00776-00316728-00316979 little bit and so I don't know that if eB0YnaMiB1Y-00777-00316980-00317260 we want to kind of if you want to see eB0YnaMiB1Y-00778-00317261-00317465 what I'd like to propose or if other eB0YnaMiB1Y-00779-00317466-00317632 council members want to propose other eB0YnaMiB1Y-00780-00317633-00317873 items so then we know how to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00781-00317874-00318130 shift the shells if you were at will of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00782-00318131-00318347 dollar allocations eB0YnaMiB1Y-00783-00318348-00318479 um so because you think your points eB0YnaMiB1Y-00784-00318480-00318725 won't fall under well I definitely think eB0YnaMiB1Y-00785-00318726-00319006 that we should do some of these items eB0YnaMiB1Y-00786-00319007-00319097 but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00787-00319098-00319360 my project for something else that I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00788-00319361-00319660 want to allocate dollars my lesson the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00789-00319661-00319901 EV vehicles or something like that so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00790-00319902-00320099 I'm just wondering if council members eB0YnaMiB1Y-00791-00320100-00320351 would rather propose some of their items eB0YnaMiB1Y-00792-00320352-00320608 first and then we can do the shell game eB0YnaMiB1Y-00793-00320609-00320873 of dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00794-00320874-00321082 okay yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00795-00321083-00321443 that's fine do you want to start it off eB0YnaMiB1Y-00796-00321444-00321658 let me pull out my 15 pages there you go eB0YnaMiB1Y-00797-00321659-00321953 and I don't actually have more um my eB0YnaMiB1Y-00798-00321954-00322199 first comment is about the 20 allocation eB0YnaMiB1Y-00799-00322200-00322643 from the 2020 to 23 EV program that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00800-00322644-00322804 wanted to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00801-00322805-00322967 um while that will be continuing to this eB0YnaMiB1Y-00802-00322968-00323099 year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00803-00323100-00323375 I I would ask if we can leverage those eB0YnaMiB1Y-00804-00323376-00323584 dollars to create that program Jamie eB0YnaMiB1Y-00805-00323585-00323782 that you were referring to to create eB0YnaMiB1Y-00806-00323783-00324010 find a partner so it just seems like in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00807-00324011-00324173 a year since we've created that as a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00808-00324174-00324323 goal we've recognize that we can't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00809-00324324-00324532 really manage EV stations and that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00810-00324533-00324743 should maybe move in that direction and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00811-00324744-00324958 with that being said I'd also like to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00812-00324959-00325217 see if we could use those same dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00813-00325218-00325595 on the 22 23 dollars to see how much it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00814-00325596-00325853 would cost to move one of those EV eB0YnaMiB1Y-00815-00325854-00326093 stations from the library eB0YnaMiB1Y-00816-00326094-00326519 to our dedicated spot because we've had eB0YnaMiB1Y-00817-00326520-00326741 a lot of Library uh complaints about eB0YnaMiB1Y-00818-00326742-00327004 parking and so and they're not all being eB0YnaMiB1Y-00819-00327005-00327280 used right like as frequently as they eB0YnaMiB1Y-00820-00327281-00327515 could be if they were in another spot so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00821-00327516-00327743 that actually might be cost saving eB0YnaMiB1Y-00822-00327744-00327953 um how many are at the library I'm gonna eB0YnaMiB1Y-00823-00327954-00328277 say three two two or two okay I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-00824-00328278-00328408 they're looking forward to what's in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00825-00328409-00328504 future there's going to be a lot of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00826-00328505-00328799 electric cars true yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00827-00328800-00328991 um and so maybe we could put one on the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00828-00328992-00329230 sidewalk or look at other options eB0YnaMiB1Y-00829-00329231-00329453 um but right now parking is a hassle I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00830-00329454-00329710 am sure council members have been all a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00831-00329711-00329932 lot of complaints about so just opening eB0YnaMiB1Y-00832-00329933-00330160 one more spot we could potentially leave eB0YnaMiB1Y-00833-00330161-00330377 the infrastructure there and open it up eB0YnaMiB1Y-00834-00330378-00330556 temporarily and tell demand for electric eB0YnaMiB1Y-00835-00330557-00330832 vehicle charging increases I love that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00836-00330833-00330947 yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00837-00330948-00331145 um so not using more money but just eB0YnaMiB1Y-00838-00331146-00331360 utilizing that twenty thousand twenty eB0YnaMiB1Y-00839-00331361-00331637 thousand from last year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00840-00331638-00331732 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00841-00331733-00331991 so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00842-00331992-00332243 the other one I'd like to do is see an eB0YnaMiB1Y-00843-00332244-00332417 increase to our city council travel eB0YnaMiB1Y-00844-00332418-00332699 allowance to three thousand dollars per eB0YnaMiB1Y-00845-00332700-00332975 council member there's an increase eB0YnaMiB1Y-00846-00332976-00333041 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00847-00333042-00333365 of League of cities costs that and we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00848-00333366-00333575 all like to attend those and some other eB0YnaMiB1Y-00849-00333576-00333791 increase just we haven't done an eB0YnaMiB1Y-00850-00333792-00333977 increase to city council travel in a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00851-00333978-00334175 while eB0YnaMiB1Y-00852-00334176-00334349 um so I'd like to propose an increase eB0YnaMiB1Y-00853-00334350-00334480 and I don't know how much that would eB0YnaMiB1Y-00854-00334481-00334601 cost eB0YnaMiB1Y-00855-00334602-00334847 for us to move up to 3 000 per council eB0YnaMiB1Y-00856-00334848-00335051 member wouldn't it be five grand well eB0YnaMiB1Y-00857-00335052-00335219 thanks guys eB0YnaMiB1Y-00858-00335220-00335741 a year forever eB0YnaMiB1Y-00859-00335742-00335963 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00860-00335964-00336215 you've actually touched on those eB0YnaMiB1Y-00861-00336216-00336551 so the dedicated Children's Fund we had eB0YnaMiB1Y-00862-00336552-00336701 37 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00863-00336702-00336779 000 eB0YnaMiB1Y-00864-00336780-00337097 what I'd like to see is maybe some eB0YnaMiB1Y-00865-00337098-00337313 information from Parks and Rec to come eB0YnaMiB1Y-00866-00337314-00337660 back to us on the best way so I saw eB0YnaMiB1Y-00867-00337661-00337841 there's some grants or excuse me eB0YnaMiB1Y-00868-00337842-00338063 scholarship funds we did a two-year I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00869-00338064-00338225 don't know how much of it was used so I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00870-00338226-00338597 don't know whether we need more to maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-00871-00338598-00338771 move that dedicated Children's Fund to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00872-00338772-00339010 parks in Iraq so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00873-00339011-00339227 um I like that for that information just eB0YnaMiB1Y-00874-00339228-00339358 to come back to us then I know how much eB0YnaMiB1Y-00875-00339359-00339551 we need to allocate more of our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00876-00339552-00339713 scholarships it was if they were fully eB0YnaMiB1Y-00877-00339714-00339845 utilized and we need all that money eB0YnaMiB1Y-00878-00339846-00340187 again for scholarships or so forth eB0YnaMiB1Y-00879-00340188-00340451 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00880-00340452-00340565 yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-00881-00340566-00340703 I think there's one other thing but I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00882-00340704-00340930 have to look at my other notes for that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00883-00340931-00341158 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00884-00341159-00341380 ideas but more specifically for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00885-00341381-00341675 Scholarships in your report earlier you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00886-00341676-00341963 said we had a two-year eB0YnaMiB1Y-00887-00341964-00342095 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00888-00342096-00342443 scholarship fund at 30 39 000 or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00889-00342444-00342658 something like that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00890-00342659-00342875 um and so I need to know whether you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00891-00342876-00343187 need it all again or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00892-00343188-00343541 we can use it for a new van electric eB0YnaMiB1Y-00893-00343542-00343937 vehicle for them or something like that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00894-00343938-00344165 um this one doesn't cost money but I'd eB0YnaMiB1Y-00895-00344166-00344351 love to add it as a goal or an intention eB0YnaMiB1Y-00896-00344352-00344597 of city council and this is to adopt the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00897-00344598-00344854 children's Bill of Rights the county and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00898-00344855-00345004 the City of Santa Cruz has moved forward eB0YnaMiB1Y-00899-00345005-00345382 with that but I'd love to get that in eB0YnaMiB1Y-00900-00345383-00345653 and there's language from the city and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00901-00345654-00345865 from the county already eB0YnaMiB1Y-00902-00345866-00346127 to go eB0YnaMiB1Y-00903-00346128-00346475 there's also I didn't see anything about eB0YnaMiB1Y-00904-00346476-00346708 our climate action plan I believe last eB0YnaMiB1Y-00905-00346709-00347093 year we talked about looking at our eB0YnaMiB1Y-00906-00347094-00347260 climate action plan and I know we have eB0YnaMiB1Y-00907-00347261-00347417 new staff eB0YnaMiB1Y-00908-00347418-00347675 um on board and so I'd love to see that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00909-00347676-00347932 continue into this year and I believe eB0YnaMiB1Y-00910-00347933-00348221 what we said was that we've created a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00911-00348222-00348484 plan we have goals but we really haven't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00912-00348485-00348743 identified how to prioritize those goals eB0YnaMiB1Y-00913-00348744-00348953 and what projects we want to move eB0YnaMiB1Y-00914-00348954-00349163 forward with so again that's not going eB0YnaMiB1Y-00915-00349164-00349354 to really take funding but I think it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00916-00349355-00349756 worth mentioning again for Council to at eB0YnaMiB1Y-00917-00349757-00349913 least know that I want to prioritize eB0YnaMiB1Y-00918-00349914-00350230 that into this new year and I mentioned eB0YnaMiB1Y-00919-00350231-00350513 it only because staff mentioned it a lot eB0YnaMiB1Y-00920-00350514-00350782 today that there's a lot of 3ce funds eB0YnaMiB1Y-00921-00350783-00351023 that we can access and it's almost like eB0YnaMiB1Y-00922-00351024-00351232 my own personal challenge to access as eB0YnaMiB1Y-00923-00351233-00351556 much as possible because those dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00924-00351557-00351719 come and go every year and so I'd like eB0YnaMiB1Y-00925-00351720-00351827 to see eB0YnaMiB1Y-00926-00351828-00352067 what we need so then we can access those eB0YnaMiB1Y-00927-00352068-00352313 dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-00928-00352314-00352804 um there is the the MCR report that I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00929-00352805-00352967 can't remember eB0YnaMiB1Y-00930-00352968-00353291 what each word means from laughco but eB0YnaMiB1Y-00931-00353292-00353554 they you you know what it is don't you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00932-00353555-00353737 what does it eB0YnaMiB1Y-00933-00353738-00354113 means the municipal service review the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00934-00354114-00354293 municipal service review was just eB0YnaMiB1Y-00935-00354294-00354484 completed for the city of Capitola for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00936-00354485-00354743 from laughco and one of the things that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00937-00354744-00354971 they mentioned was that or suggested is eB0YnaMiB1Y-00938-00354972-00355151 that the city evaluate the spirit eB0YnaMiB1Y-00939-00355152-00355301 influence eB0YnaMiB1Y-00940-00355302-00355480 um this is something that every city I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00941-00355481-00355775 think is in every City's plan but it'd eB0YnaMiB1Y-00942-00355776-00355882 be great for us to look at that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00943-00355883-00356123 especially with the mall development eB0YnaMiB1Y-00944-00356124-00356345 Mall Redevelopment project taking place eB0YnaMiB1Y-00945-00356346-00356537 on 41st and looking at what our options eB0YnaMiB1Y-00946-00356538-00356627 are eB0YnaMiB1Y-00947-00356628-00356753 um just in our general sphere of eB0YnaMiB1Y-00948-00356754-00357023 influence and so to do such a study I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00949-00357024-00357215 think we have to ask lafco about how eB0YnaMiB1Y-00950-00357216-00357341 much that cost but I would say about eB0YnaMiB1Y-00951-00357342-00357541 twenty five thousand thirty thousand eB0YnaMiB1Y-00952-00357542-00357845 that's just off the top of my head eB0YnaMiB1Y-00953-00357846-00358187 of fees but that might just have to come eB0YnaMiB1Y-00954-00358188-00358408 back to us because I don't know how much eB0YnaMiB1Y-00955-00358409-00358606 and then lastly eB0YnaMiB1Y-00956-00358607-00358930 um I actually did a really quick survey eB0YnaMiB1Y-00957-00358931-00359230 about programs for a gun buyback program eB0YnaMiB1Y-00958-00359231-00359404 and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00959-00359405-00359608 um there are other jurisdictions that eB0YnaMiB1Y-00960-00359609-00359777 have this set up and are looking for eB0YnaMiB1Y-00961-00359778-00360004 Partnerships but we have to allocate eB0YnaMiB1Y-00962-00360005-00360221 some dollars and I think allocating or eB0YnaMiB1Y-00963-00360222-00360503 starting with five thousand dollars to eB0YnaMiB1Y-00964-00360504-00360713 create a gun buyback program would be eB0YnaMiB1Y-00965-00360714-00360875 great for the city of Capitola to start eB0YnaMiB1Y-00966-00360876-00361001 with eB0YnaMiB1Y-00967-00361002-00361306 um and then leverage other communities eB0YnaMiB1Y-00968-00361307-00361504 or partners eB0YnaMiB1Y-00969-00361505-00361810 who might want to increase those don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-00970-00361811-00361978 we do that already we don't have a eB0YnaMiB1Y-00971-00361979-00362560 partner with someone to do that already eB0YnaMiB1Y-00972-00362561-00362765 sorry to interrupt no that's a good eB0YnaMiB1Y-00973-00362766-00362963 question eB0YnaMiB1Y-00974-00362964-00363178 it's a good program so I know that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00975-00363179-00363377 that we've partnered with the sheriff's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00976-00363378-00363551 department in the past and I don't know eB0YnaMiB1Y-00977-00363552-00363730 that we brought any actual funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-00978-00363731-00363923 forward but I know that we definitely eB0YnaMiB1Y-00979-00363924-00364139 participated as with the gun back buy eB0YnaMiB1Y-00980-00364140-00364295 back program eB0YnaMiB1Y-00981-00364296-00364553 the city but the county Chiefs does have eB0YnaMiB1Y-00982-00364554-00364895 have a fund that we do it's been a point eB0YnaMiB1Y-00983-00364896-00365104 of discussion in recent meetings and so eB0YnaMiB1Y-00984-00365105-00365356 I think with if this is approved there eB0YnaMiB1Y-00985-00365357-00365471 would be additional funding that would eB0YnaMiB1Y-00986-00365472-00365615 probably come from that Chiefs fund eB0YnaMiB1Y-00987-00365616-00365710 which is part of the sheriff's eB0YnaMiB1Y-00988-00365711-00365932 department but it was successful three eB0YnaMiB1Y-00989-00365933-00366113 or four years ago the point I think we eB0YnaMiB1Y-00990-00366114-00366395 ran out of money oh wow it was I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-00991-00366396-00366497 it was like twenty thousand dollars and eB0YnaMiB1Y-00992-00366498-00366617 they went through it pretty quick oh eB0YnaMiB1Y-00993-00366618-00366947 cool that's awesome yeah thank you eB0YnaMiB1Y-00994-00366948-00367180 um and then the other information that I eB0YnaMiB1Y-00995-00367181-00367510 most recently received was about the um eB0YnaMiB1Y-00996-00367511-00367793 the inclusive playgrounds we were eB0YnaMiB1Y-00997-00367794-00368099 looking while we're partnering with the eB0YnaMiB1Y-00998-00368100-00368453 parks the non-profit program and we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-00999-00368454-00368632 had an rfpl there's been some eB0YnaMiB1Y-01000-00368633-00368915 conversations about that and they were eB0YnaMiB1Y-01001-00368916-00369178 looking at a very like if we want to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01002-00369179-00369365 make the best park it would be like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01003-00369366-00369545 three million dollars or something crazy eB0YnaMiB1Y-01004-00369546-00369689 like that which eB0YnaMiB1Y-01005-00369690-00370030 um is a lot for a fundraiser to do eB0YnaMiB1Y-01006-00370031-00370349 um at a lower level 1.5 1 million eB0YnaMiB1Y-01007-00370350-00370625 dollars is what they are anticipating in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01008-00370626-00370865 fundraising and I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01009-00370866-00371154 um since we have some dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-01010-00371155-00371447 allocated that one million dollars what eB0YnaMiB1Y-01011-00371448-00371747 I like to see is for us to increase our eB0YnaMiB1Y-01012-00371748-00372010 our promise to the program our promise eB0YnaMiB1Y-01013-00372011-00372167 to creating that so that the community eB0YnaMiB1Y-01014-00372168-00372587 can see that we're equally as invested eB0YnaMiB1Y-01015-00372588-00372845 um especially because the fundraising eB0YnaMiB1Y-01016-00372846-00373078 ask is going to be more than what was eB0YnaMiB1Y-01017-00373079-00373319 expected from the board the board eB0YnaMiB1Y-01018-00373320-00373727 meaning the the parks uh nonprofit board eB0YnaMiB1Y-01019-00373728-00373997 so I'd like to ask for an additional 200 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01020-00373998-00374237 000 to be added eB0YnaMiB1Y-01021-00374238-00374525 um to the funds that we already eB0YnaMiB1Y-01022-00374526-00374951 allocated for in 2223 and I know that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01023-00374952-00375095 staff has said well we have the one eB0YnaMiB1Y-01024-00375096-00375317 million dollars but I think that this is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01025-00375318-00375527 almost like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01026-00375528-00375767 um getting ahead of it and allocating it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01027-00375768-00376060 today just makes it more feasible for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01028-00376061-00376325 the groups to move forward with um what eB0YnaMiB1Y-01029-00376326-00376480 they what they want to do eB0YnaMiB1Y-01030-00376481-00376715 is this for Jade Street yeah yeah yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01031-00376716-00376978 I'd like to add to that once you when eB0YnaMiB1Y-01032-00376979-00377530 you finish yeah I think those are all eB0YnaMiB1Y-01033-00377531-00378208 I have on that all the others are um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01034-00378209-00378317 oh eB0YnaMiB1Y-01035-00378318-00378587 well City Hall phase two is going to be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01036-00378588-00378856 part of the big the leftover dollars um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01037-00378857-00379408 so I'll just I think that was it okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01038-00379409-00379697 try expanding on the uh Jade Street I've eB0YnaMiB1Y-01039-00379698-00379984 had a few people approach me to have an eB0YnaMiB1Y-01040-00379985-00380153 idea to do what they did at Shoreline eB0YnaMiB1Y-01041-00380154-00380530 Middle School where they put Turf in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01042-00380531-00380777 um if we're going to be doing the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01043-00380778-00380956 the big upgrade at Jade Street would be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01044-00380957-00381119 awesome to uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-01045-00381120-00381334 get Turf in there so we could use a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01046-00381335-00381556 field year round instead of having to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01047-00381557-00381808 wait till they've reseed it and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01048-00381809-00382025 all the bad weather and everything they eB0YnaMiB1Y-01049-00382026-00382193 had a really good eB0YnaMiB1Y-01050-00382194-00382421 outcome and success with getting a lot eB0YnaMiB1Y-01051-00382422-00382625 of fundraising for for Shoreline Middle eB0YnaMiB1Y-01052-00382626-00382858 School through Live Oak School District eB0YnaMiB1Y-01053-00382859-00383045 I think it'd be a great project to look eB0YnaMiB1Y-01054-00383046-00383291 into to see what we can do yeah and I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01055-00383292-00383560 and I believe that the project when we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01056-00383561-00383806 see the design come forward from the RFP eB0YnaMiB1Y-01057-00383807-00384041 which they're I think we just got I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01058-00384042-00384208 can't I don't really can't speak too eB0YnaMiB1Y-01059-00384209-00384401 much of it to it but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01060-00384402-00384653 um that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01061-00384654-00384977 the idea of inclusive development is to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01062-00384978-00385139 create like the spongy stuff that makes eB0YnaMiB1Y-01063-00385140-00385343 everything accessible for kids and so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01064-00385344-00385510 that's actually that that would be part eB0YnaMiB1Y-01065-00385511-00385853 of the entire project can I ask a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01066-00385854-00386080 question about that when you say Turf eB0YnaMiB1Y-01067-00386081-00386315 are you talking about replacing the Jade eB0YnaMiB1Y-01068-00386316-00386651 Street field grass in the song the whole eB0YnaMiB1Y-01069-00386652-00386903 grass area I'm sorry that has nothing to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01070-00386904-00387089 do with the playground I know the soccer eB0YnaMiB1Y-01071-00387090-00387353 field itself so that wouldn't be part of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01072-00387354-00387610 the fundraising efforts I'd be concerned eB0YnaMiB1Y-01073-00387611-00387875 about environmental issues with eB0YnaMiB1Y-01074-00387876-00388139 replacing so much natural environment eB0YnaMiB1Y-01075-00388140-00388463 with plastic I've done studies on the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01076-00388464-00388810 different Turf things and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01077-00388811-00389147 weighing it out the water use eB0YnaMiB1Y-01078-00389148-00389380 there's quite a few things eB0YnaMiB1Y-01079-00389381-00389639 so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01080-00389640-00389891 the the turf projects that I'm familiar eB0YnaMiB1Y-01081-00389892-00390419 with are um are shockingly expensive eB0YnaMiB1Y-01082-00390420-00390503 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01083-00390504-00390730 like over a million dollars not sure eB0YnaMiB1Y-01084-00390731-00390982 hopefully nobody's shooting lasers at me eB0YnaMiB1Y-01085-00390983-00391145 because I don't know that much about the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01086-00391146-00391319 projects I'm looking back at Public eB0YnaMiB1Y-01087-00391320-00391487 Works director have you done that no eB0YnaMiB1Y-01088-00391488-00391637 okay so none of us have done a Turf eB0YnaMiB1Y-01089-00391638-00391853 project I think they're really quite eB0YnaMiB1Y-01090-00391854-00392003 expensive eB0YnaMiB1Y-01091-00392004-00392254 um so I think if the council wanted that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01092-00392255-00392608 to be a long-term project eB0YnaMiB1Y-01093-00392609-00392728 knowing that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01094-00392729-00392915 I would also share with the council that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01095-00392916-00393178 previously we'd identified eB0YnaMiB1Y-01096-00393179-00393419 a goal to try to partner with the school eB0YnaMiB1Y-01097-00393420-00393706 district to look at maybe an all-weather eB0YnaMiB1Y-01098-00393707-00394121 soccer field at um in Brighton that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01099-00394122-00394289 maybe crossed over our property lines eB0YnaMiB1Y-01100-00394290-00394463 between our park and there's middle eB0YnaMiB1Y-01101-00394464-00394660 school and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01102-00394661-00394865 um and the goal was to get through the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01103-00394866-00395134 Jade Street negotiations and then pivot eB0YnaMiB1Y-01104-00395135-00395339 to talk about that so that is something eB0YnaMiB1Y-01105-00395340-00395513 else that's been on our radar we haven't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01106-00395514-00395680 really made any progress on it in a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01107-00395681-00395932 couple years but that would be one to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01108-00395933-00396101 talk potentially for the school district eB0YnaMiB1Y-01109-00396102-00396251 about you know what are the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01110-00396252-00396449 opportunities there so I don't want to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01111-00396450-00396658 display Council I think that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01112-00396659-00396904 the artificial turf have detractors and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01113-00396905-00397078 they have supporters there's certainly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01114-00397079-00397241 the water benefits for certainly the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01115-00397242-00397451 year-round benefits um but they're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01116-00397452-00397613 they're significant they're significant eB0YnaMiB1Y-01117-00397614-00397763 undertaking so if we want to put it in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01118-00397764-00397937 here we just need to understand that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01119-00397938-00398099 either we're starting to save up for it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01120-00398100-00398254 or we're going to do some studies to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01121-00398255-00398471 check on feasibility uh I think those eB0YnaMiB1Y-01122-00398472-00398651 would be my suggestions if we're going eB0YnaMiB1Y-01123-00398652-00398819 to take the first step would that be a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01124-00398820-00399010 conversation that needs to take place in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01125-00399011-00399275 partnership with the school district eB0YnaMiB1Y-01126-00399276-00399563 first before we even identify this as a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01127-00399564-00399773 goal yeah I mean I think realistically eB0YnaMiB1Y-01128-00399774-00399910 we would want to talk to the school eB0YnaMiB1Y-01129-00399911-00400067 district about either location if we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01130-00400068-00400204 were going to partner at Monterey Park eB0YnaMiB1Y-01131-00400205-00400427 or at Jake Street um because I guess Jay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01132-00400428-00400547 Street is there eB0YnaMiB1Y-01133-00400548-00400793 right yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01134-00400794-00400930 how about eB0YnaMiB1Y-01135-00400931-00401075 I think that's I don't want to persuade eB0YnaMiB1Y-01136-00401076-00401249 anyone from it but I what we could do eB0YnaMiB1Y-01137-00401250-00401447 the follow-up here could be to reach out eB0YnaMiB1Y-01138-00401448-00401680 to talk to The District staff about eB0YnaMiB1Y-01139-00401681-00401884 that I'll reach out to them and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01140-00401885-00402041 hopefully go to one of their meetings eB0YnaMiB1Y-01141-00402042-00402241 and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01142-00402242-00402491 I can do that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01143-00402492-00402904 yeah I'll put it in here we'll report eB0YnaMiB1Y-01144-00402905-00403193 okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01145-00403194-00403397 do you have any other projects you want eB0YnaMiB1Y-01146-00403398-00403565 to add or anything okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01147-00403566-00403834 I just have a couple comments eB0YnaMiB1Y-01148-00403835-00403919 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01149-00403920-00404152 first I I'm what really strikes me is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01150-00404153-00404375 the pavement management funding I feel eB0YnaMiB1Y-01151-00404376-00404656 like every time it comes to us to work eB0YnaMiB1Y-01152-00404657-00404825 on a pavement management plan and work eB0YnaMiB1Y-01153-00404826-00404975 on streets there are always people eB0YnaMiB1Y-01154-00404976-00405173 saying what about this street it's the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01155-00405174-00405328 worst we never have enough money to do eB0YnaMiB1Y-01156-00405329-00405491 what we want to do we're always trying eB0YnaMiB1Y-01157-00405492-00405647 to catch up we're always trying to make eB0YnaMiB1Y-01158-00405648-00405851 sure that the bad streets don't become eB0YnaMiB1Y-01159-00405852-00406001 the worst streets and the worst streets eB0YnaMiB1Y-01160-00406002-00406156 kind of get put off a little bit longer eB0YnaMiB1Y-01161-00406157-00406354 every time and I feel like that that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01162-00406355-00406619 never we're always kind of chasing that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01163-00406620-00406871 we're never catching it and so I would eB0YnaMiB1Y-01164-00406872-00407110 recommend when we look at the pavement eB0YnaMiB1Y-01165-00407111-00407308 management funding right now we have 350 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01166-00407309-00407452 I would recommend that we bump that up eB0YnaMiB1Y-01167-00407453-00407784 to 500 to half a million and remove that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01168-00407785-00408251 150 K from the 1 million in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01169-00408252-00408491 infrastructure hold eB0YnaMiB1Y-01170-00408492-00408706 um so that would leave us at like 850 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01171-00408707-00408875 infrastructure hold and I actually am eB0YnaMiB1Y-01172-00408876-00409139 thinking that leaving uh the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01173-00409140-00409282 infrastructure I'm calling it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01174-00409283-00409391 infrastructure hold I don't know what eB0YnaMiB1Y-01175-00409392-00409517 else to call it right now eB0YnaMiB1Y-01176-00409518-00409732 um leaving that at 800 000 and I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-01177-00409733-00409853 trying to figure out where this other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01178-00409854-00410009 50k could go eB0YnaMiB1Y-01179-00410010-00410278 um but right now my idea was to move 200 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01180-00410279-00410387 000 from that to put towards other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01181-00410388-00410699 projects 150 of it towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-01182-00410700-00410939 um yeah yep uh to the pavement eB0YnaMiB1Y-01183-00410939-00411197 Management program I'm also thinking eB0YnaMiB1Y-01184-00411197-00411409 when we're talking about just Community eB0YnaMiB1Y-01185-00411410-00411610 improvements and Renovations and I was eB0YnaMiB1Y-01186-00411612-00411826 thinking about this the other day eB0YnaMiB1Y-01187-00411827-00412145 um multiple years ago we had some kind eB0YnaMiB1Y-01188-00412146-00412216 of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01189-00412217-00412295 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01190-00412296-00412474 what do you call it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01191-00412475-00412864 plan uh like an idea that's not really a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01192-00412866-00412984 plan yet I can't remember what it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01193-00412985-00413093 called eB0YnaMiB1Y-01194-00413093-00413314 um yes concept there it is that's the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01195-00413316-00413609 word conceptual plan for uh Esplanade eB0YnaMiB1Y-01196-00413610-00413878 Park and it had like the big eB0YnaMiB1Y-01197-00413879-00414082 canopy eB0YnaMiB1Y-01198-00414083-00414257 um shade coverings and it had those eB0YnaMiB1Y-01199-00414258-00414424 Medallion trees and all kinds of stuff eB0YnaMiB1Y-01200-00414425-00414605 and I have no idea what happened with eB0YnaMiB1Y-01201-00414606-00414689 that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01202-00414689-00414905 um is that anything that is anywhere in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01203-00414906-00415241 our planning ever again or would we need eB0YnaMiB1Y-01204-00415242-00415505 to start all from scratch is there any eB0YnaMiB1Y-01205-00415506-00415684 opportunity to put fifty thousand eB0YnaMiB1Y-01206-00415685-00415966 dollars towards it to do something or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01207-00415967-00416201 well first off that point you're exactly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01208-00416202-00416374 right we did have like a conceptual plan eB0YnaMiB1Y-01209-00416375-00416537 prepared for Esplanade park for an eB0YnaMiB1Y-01210-00416538-00416753 Esplanade Park renovation eB0YnaMiB1Y-01211-00416754-00416830 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01212-00416831-00416999 you know the way to get to these eB0YnaMiB1Y-01213-00417000-00417257 projects is you put funding in right eB0YnaMiB1Y-01214-00417258-00417424 um I guess eB0YnaMiB1Y-01215-00417425-00417605 try to defend our public works eB0YnaMiB1Y-01216-00417606-00417749 department here is is that they have so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01217-00417750-00417928 much on their plate of course I'm a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01218-00417929-00418114 little bit afraid of like putting too eB0YnaMiB1Y-01219-00418116-00418253 much I mean putting money into pavement eB0YnaMiB1Y-01220-00418254-00418474 management back against that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01221-00418475-00418613 we're putting money into another project eB0YnaMiB1Y-01222-00418614-00418810 like that it probably wouldn't get spent eB0YnaMiB1Y-01223-00418812-00419087 next year so you may want to just say eB0YnaMiB1Y-01224-00419088-00419218 hey I'm going to hold that in that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01225-00419219-00419513 infrastructure line uh but that that yes eB0YnaMiB1Y-01226-00419514-00419675 that is a project that's out there we'd eB0YnaMiB1Y-01227-00419676-00419837 have to dust off the old plans and take eB0YnaMiB1Y-01228-00419838-00419975 a look and see what they look like and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01229-00419976-00420107 run up by the council I don't remember eB0YnaMiB1Y-01230-00420108-00420322 exactly what the details were but that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01231-00420323-00420443 was a thing and that was something we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01232-00420443-00420581 could talk eB0YnaMiB1Y-01233-00420582-00420935 that I could I even lean in even further eB0YnaMiB1Y-01234-00420935-00421072 because I like where councilmember eB0YnaMiB1Y-01235-00421073-00421247 Brown's going with this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01236-00421247-00421487 um because I hear you though about eB0YnaMiB1Y-01237-00421488-00421709 about bandwidth but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01238-00421710-00421847 um we have an Arts and Cultural eB0YnaMiB1Y-01239-00421847-00422243 commission with also funding a lot of it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01240-00422243-00422405 and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01241-00422406-00422716 um so much of it I see people's faces so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01242-00422717-00422920 much money no not really but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01243-00422921-00423239 um see even if we allocate the suggested eB0YnaMiB1Y-01244-00423239-00423425 amount here but get a match from the art eB0YnaMiB1Y-01245-00423426-00423718 and cultural fund because there's a lot eB0YnaMiB1Y-01246-00423719-00423893 of that kind of design element that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01247-00423893-00424091 could be included that simply if you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01248-00424092-00424264 dust off the plans you can utilize that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01249-00424265-00424481 funding so not even having a touch eB0YnaMiB1Y-01250-00424482-00424829 we could do the 50 000 but also giving eB0YnaMiB1Y-01251-00424830-00425249 Arts and Cultural a task if you will of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01252-00425250-00425387 utilizing their dollars that they eB0YnaMiB1Y-01253-00425388-00425543 currently have I mean would it be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01254-00425543-00425868 considered public art because eB0YnaMiB1Y-01255-00425869-00426155 it's a medallion tree a tree has big eB0YnaMiB1Y-01256-00426156-00426530 flowers too eB0YnaMiB1Y-01257-00426531-00426851 [Laughter] eB0YnaMiB1Y-01258-00426852-00427097 I mean it's just I know that would be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01259-00427097-00427481 nice to have the Arts and Cultural after eB0YnaMiB1Y-01260-00427482-00427666 you know they put so much work into the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01261-00427667-00427841 stairs and there's just projects that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01262-00427842-00428068 our opportunity there and I think this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01263-00428069-00428316 is that maybe a perfect way to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01264-00428317-00428699 collaborate can can we for now maybe the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01265-00428700-00428855 best route here for now because I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01266-00428856-00428975 know if eB0YnaMiB1Y-01267-00428976-00429197 we're allowed to essentially tell Arts eB0YnaMiB1Y-01268-00429197-00429310 and Cultural we're taking your budget eB0YnaMiB1Y-01269-00429312-00429443 for this and I don't know if they want eB0YnaMiB1Y-01270-00429443-00429551 to take it on I know there's been other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01271-00429552-00429683 projects in the past where they're like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01272-00429684-00429857 we don't want to do this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01273-00429858-00430018 um which is fine they they have the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01274-00430019-00430145 right to decide their priorities as eB0YnaMiB1Y-01275-00430146-00430313 we're doing now but would it make sense eB0YnaMiB1Y-01276-00430314-00430570 for us to say you know let's Reserve eB0YnaMiB1Y-01277-00430571-00430847 that 50 000 for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01278-00430847-00430966 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01279-00430967-00431243 I don't know Esplanade Park eB0YnaMiB1Y-01280-00431243-00431429 improvements and just leave it at that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01281-00431430-00431716 and then you know if bandwidth opens up eB0YnaMiB1Y-01282-00431717-00431933 then we'll use it if it doesn't then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01283-00431934-00432227 come the next mid-year budget you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01284-00432228-00432455 change or if something breaks an eB0YnaMiB1Y-01285-00432456-00432766 Esplanade park or something but I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-01286-00432767-00432983 thinking you know it's been a long time eB0YnaMiB1Y-01287-00432984-00433145 since we've considered eB0YnaMiB1Y-01288-00433146-00433420 improvements down there eB0YnaMiB1Y-01289-00433421-00433564 um and especially when you I don't know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01290-00433565-00433781 if you all saw in the um was it the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01291-00433782-00434075 Capitola SoCal times recently uh Andy of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01292-00434076-00434201 the Brit was talking about how those eB0YnaMiB1Y-01293-00434202-00434381 concrete barriers out there that those eB0YnaMiB1Y-01294-00434382-00434585 trees are in essentially protected his eB0YnaMiB1Y-01295-00434585-00434783 restaurant from the waves and so I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-01296-00434784-00434975 thinking if there's anything that we can eB0YnaMiB1Y-01297-00434976-00435220 do to make that Park more resilient and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01298-00435221-00435353 more Community friendly and More eB0YnaMiB1Y-01299-00435354-00435479 Beautiful eB0YnaMiB1Y-01300-00435480-00435581 um it's something that I would really eB0YnaMiB1Y-01301-00435582-00435785 like to put money towards but I do eB0YnaMiB1Y-01302-00435785-00436175 understand the bandwidth of Public Works eB0YnaMiB1Y-01303-00436176-00436307 um but I just don't want to let it go eB0YnaMiB1Y-01304-00436308-00436433 because I feel like every time when we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01305-00436434-00436672 have ideas if it's if it's said we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01306-00436673-00436799 probably won't spend that money this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01307-00436800-00437039 year then every year we're thinking yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01308-00437039-00437153 we probably won't spend it this year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01309-00437154-00437272 either we probably won't spend it this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01310-00437273-00437405 year either and then we're going to end eB0YnaMiB1Y-01311-00437406-00437566 up in another situation like right now eB0YnaMiB1Y-01312-00437567-00437807 where I'm saying hey that was five years eB0YnaMiB1Y-01313-00437808-00437968 ago that we came up with that conceptual eB0YnaMiB1Y-01314-00437969-00438131 plan for Esplanade Park what are we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01315-00438132-00438281 going to do with it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01316-00438282-00438383 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01317-00438384-00438503 so yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01318-00438504-00438713 I'm wondering if there's any way to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01319-00438714-00438899 incorporate like Hazard mitigation eB0YnaMiB1Y-01320-00438900-00439079 funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-01321-00439080-00439531 with an Esplanade Park like conception eB0YnaMiB1Y-01322-00439532-00439799 conceptual design it was going down a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01323-00439800-00439937 whole other one now because wasn't there eB0YnaMiB1Y-01324-00439938-00440116 talk about raising the seawall at some eB0YnaMiB1Y-01325-00440117-00440314 point that was the climate action from eB0YnaMiB1Y-01326-00440315-00440513 last year that week yeah that's I mean eB0YnaMiB1Y-01327-00440514-00440663 that's why I mentioned it here is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01328-00440664-00440885 because essentially we need to revisit eB0YnaMiB1Y-01329-00440885-00441113 that and they're staffed now we didn't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01330-00441114-00441347 have staff to really take that bull by eB0YnaMiB1Y-01331-00441347-00441659 its horn so I'm interesting staff but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01332-00441660-00441820 Kristen to your point I I understand eB0YnaMiB1Y-01333-00441821-00442031 staff is in a data too but this is up to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01334-00442032-00442277 us to move projects forward and we're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01335-00442278-00442414 not really adding eB0YnaMiB1Y-01336-00442415-00442666 a lot of big projects where reserving eB0YnaMiB1Y-01337-00442667-00442991 dollars so I'm behind you on on on this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01338-00442992-00443141 one or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01339-00443142-00443393 for the um Esplanade Park eB0YnaMiB1Y-01340-00443393-00443525 okay well then let's just put it up eB0YnaMiB1Y-01341-00443526-00443818 there for put it up there as that 50 000 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01342-00443819-00443999 set aside for Esplanade Park eB0YnaMiB1Y-01343-00444000-00444305 improvements as a goal for the year for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01344-00444306-00444527 now is that fair I'm new to the art and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01345-00444528-00444760 cultural committee but I'm pretty sure eB0YnaMiB1Y-01346-00444762-00444989 they would love to take an honor okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01347-00444989-00445307 and we we can take it to him and okay go eB0YnaMiB1Y-01348-00445308-00445529 from there and see what we can do okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01349-00445530-00445720 so one one Nuance about the art and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01350-00445721-00445883 cultural commission definitely their eB0YnaMiB1Y-01351-00445884-00446141 funding is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01352-00446142-00446375 or are designed by a professional artist eB0YnaMiB1Y-01353-00446376-00446549 I don't remember all the requirements eB0YnaMiB1Y-01354-00446550-00446831 Nikki's nodding so they were actually eB0YnaMiB1Y-01355-00446832-00447137 involved in that conceptual plan I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01356-00447138-00447425 because if I remember correctly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01357-00447426-00447718 was that conceptual plan necessitated by eB0YnaMiB1Y-01358-00447719-00447857 the sea lions eB0YnaMiB1Y-01359-00447858-00448097 no it was way before the sea lions was eB0YnaMiB1Y-01360-00448097-00448420 it yeah it was like 2016 or so I wasn't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01361-00448421-00448739 here for it so all right yeah but but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01362-00448739-00448960 for sure we can put money in go to a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01363-00448962-00449051 project as long as there's the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01364-00449052-00449183 understanding that you know we're pretty eB0YnaMiB1Y-01365-00449184-00449357 we're pretty tight but you're exactly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01366-00449358-00449531 right you know you get to a fully funded eB0YnaMiB1Y-01367-00449532-00449759 project by starting funding and the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01368-00449760-00449933 other reality is that there's been many eB0YnaMiB1Y-01369-00449934-00450107 times we put money into projects and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01370-00450108-00450245 then we've reallocated into two eB0YnaMiB1Y-01371-00450246-00450587 priorities so it's not it's not gone eB0YnaMiB1Y-01372-00450588-00450845 and then do we want to clarify the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01373-00450846-00451109 actual amount that we have for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01374-00451110-00451325 street repair because I feel like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01375-00451326-00451643 there was like the 350 000 plus that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01376-00451643-00451733 other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01377-00451734-00452014 550 but if eB0YnaMiB1Y-01378-00452015-00452243 vice mayor Brown wants to add more like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01379-00452243-00452441 what's the actual number we're jumping eB0YnaMiB1Y-01380-00452442-00452705 off of for the streets eB0YnaMiB1Y-01381-00452706-00452957 so for time being right now eB0YnaMiB1Y-01382-00452958-00453131 um I'm just sort of taking down all the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01383-00453132-00453310 different ideas and then I can kind of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01384-00453312-00453527 recap because they're I think I just eB0YnaMiB1Y-01385-00453528-00454463 mean what we started with in years eB0YnaMiB1Y-01386-00454464-00454649 council member Brown's recommendation eB0YnaMiB1Y-01387-00454650-00454805 that would increase the total to a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01388-00454806-00455045 billion eB0YnaMiB1Y-01389-00455046-00455201 and that was your eB0YnaMiB1Y-01390-00455202-00455543 idea you think yeah to to keep the the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01391-00455543-00455981 nine what was it 900 900.50 900 I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01392-00455982-00456281 it was 900 yeah to keep us yeah to that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01393-00456282-00456514 we are where to use anyways where that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01394-00456515-00456743 was already planned for in for pavement eB0YnaMiB1Y-01395-00456743-00457007 management and then the what was left in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01396-00457008-00457216 this general fund balance right there eB0YnaMiB1Y-01397-00457217-00457564 was 350 and so my uh thought was to add eB0YnaMiB1Y-01398-00457565-00457822 an additional 150 from general fund eB0YnaMiB1Y-01399-00457823-00458033 balance to make that an even 500 000 and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01400-00458034-00458213 take that 150 from the hold for major eB0YnaMiB1Y-01401-00458214-00458441 infrastructure projects and then another eB0YnaMiB1Y-01402-00458442-00458668 50 for Esplanade Park which would turn eB0YnaMiB1Y-01403-00458669-00458831 our major infrastructure projects down eB0YnaMiB1Y-01404-00458832-00459005 to eight hundred thousand so that way eB0YnaMiB1Y-01405-00459006-00459179 I'm trying to move money around rather eB0YnaMiB1Y-01406-00459180-00459389 than add money that we don't have yet so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01407-00459389-00459670 like it would keep our total 4.8 or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01408-00459671-00459868 whatever right um but it would pull from eB0YnaMiB1Y-01409-00459869-00460013 other things eB0YnaMiB1Y-01410-00460014-00460229 I guess I'm just wondering like what eB0YnaMiB1Y-01411-00460230-00460463 that 900 if say we didn't add anything eB0YnaMiB1Y-01412-00460464-00460679 where does that 900 get us so maybe we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01413-00460680-00460864 don't need to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01414-00460865-00461063 eat the if we're looking at our problem eB0YnaMiB1Y-01415-00461064-00461297 streets and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01416-00461297-00461531 with but I I guess we worked on it with eB0YnaMiB1Y-01417-00461532-00461801 Jasper but wasn't the idea that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01418-00461802-00461968 additional funding would allow us to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01419-00461969-00462335 move some of the projects from 24 into eB0YnaMiB1Y-01420-00462335-00462593 23 or something along those lines so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01421-00462593-00462791 then that way we'd essentially become a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01422-00462792-00463072 year ahead yeah okay and I think and the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01423-00463073-00463259 idea with that was because that way all eB0YnaMiB1Y-01424-00463260-00463475 the streets that are at risk of becoming eB0YnaMiB1Y-01425-00463476-00463679 really bad we can stop them when they're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01426-00463680-00463955 bad and then hopefully in the coming eB0YnaMiB1Y-01427-00463956-00464105 years the ones that are already really eB0YnaMiB1Y-01428-00464106-00464320 bad we can fix up instead of constantly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01429-00464321-00464441 just trying to keep things from getting eB0YnaMiB1Y-01430-00464442-00464591 worse I mean in like the presentation eB0YnaMiB1Y-01431-00464592-00464777 too the more money you throw at it up eB0YnaMiB1Y-01432-00464778-00464914 forward the more money you save in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01433-00464915-00465185 long exactly yeah well and also this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01434-00465185-00465413 year is unique because we have one-time eB0YnaMiB1Y-01435-00465414-00465737 funding right so in a year from now we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01436-00465738-00465893 might not be in a place with this kind eB0YnaMiB1Y-01437-00465893-00466187 of yeah yeah this this extra funding eB0YnaMiB1Y-01438-00466188-00466553 that we have so so I I think it's smart eB0YnaMiB1Y-01439-00466554-00466805 right that we allocate you get the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01440-00466806-00467009 projects done and then in turn that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01441-00467010-00467213 could even save us a little bit more to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01442-00467214-00467687 open up more funding in the 24 25 year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01443-00467688-00468010 seems forever away I wonder yeah like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01444-00468012-00468287 how much money do we lose by putting eB0YnaMiB1Y-01445-00468288-00468460 this off you know like we're paying off eB0YnaMiB1Y-01446-00468462-00468647 the debt that's at five percent like are eB0YnaMiB1Y-01447-00468647-00468779 we gonna lose eB0YnaMiB1Y-01448-00468780-00469055 more money by not repairing the roads to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01449-00469056-00469283 a certain standard you know like what's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01450-00469284-00469513 the most efficient use of our funds eB0YnaMiB1Y-01451-00469514-00469793 there's honestly it's obviously eB0YnaMiB1Y-01452-00469793-00469925 complicated but it's a complicated eB0YnaMiB1Y-01453-00469926-00470057 question and there's actually a school eB0YnaMiB1Y-01454-00470058-00470272 of thought that you know the smartest eB0YnaMiB1Y-01455-00470273-00470422 thing the city could do would be to go eB0YnaMiB1Y-01456-00470423-00470651 and borrow 30 million dollars and redo eB0YnaMiB1Y-01457-00470652-00470872 every single street today and then only eB0YnaMiB1Y-01458-00470873-00471089 do slurry seals from here on out because eB0YnaMiB1Y-01459-00471089-00471277 the slurry seals are so much more so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01460-00471278-00471551 presumably nip everything you possibly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01461-00471552-00471749 can in the bud actually the smartest eB0YnaMiB1Y-01462-00471750-00471881 thing to do would be to do every single eB0YnaMiB1Y-01463-00471882-00472170 street that is worth preparing and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01464-00472171-00472391 terrible streets alone which of course eB0YnaMiB1Y-01465-00472392-00472559 would be politically eB0YnaMiB1Y-01466-00472560-00472864 Revenue measure for 30 million dollars I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01467-00472865-00473020 mean that's I think I think you can talk eB0YnaMiB1Y-01468-00473021-00473189 to sort of the pavement experts that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01469-00473189-00473393 kind of the same thing like the rate of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01470-00473393-00473759 interest is going to be lower than what eB0YnaMiB1Y-01471-00473760-00473999 we're costing to maintain these how eB0YnaMiB1Y-01472-00474000-00474172 we're doing it in the long run I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01473-00474173-00474257 in general eB0YnaMiB1Y-01474-00474258-00474485 probably true eB0YnaMiB1Y-01475-00474485-00474718 um honestly one of the things that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01476-00474719-00474863 former public works director and I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01477-00474864-00475037 talked about at one point was you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01478-00475038-00475259 could we do a half cent sales tax for 10 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01479-00475260-00475487 years and just do every single Street I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01480-00475488-00475613 think we actually talked we talked to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01481-00475614-00475816 council about that during possible eB0YnaMiB1Y-01482-00475817-00475972 ballot initiatives last year and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01483-00475973-00476218 unfortunately the cost for all the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01484-00476219-00476585 streets was staggeringly hot yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01485-00476585-00476807 well I was hoping it was 15 billion or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01486-00476808-00476903 something eB0YnaMiB1Y-01487-00476904-00477137 it took me like 30 and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01488-00477138-00477455 we just don't see it but yes you're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01489-00477456-00477641 thinking your thinking is exactly right eB0YnaMiB1Y-01490-00477642-00477809 that there is actually a mathematical eB0YnaMiB1Y-01491-00477810-00478060 formula and the smartest thing to do is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01492-00478062-00478260 to rebuild all your students but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01493-00478262-00478499 automatically it's very eB0YnaMiB1Y-01494-00478500-00478781 what's also not included here is where eB0YnaMiB1Y-01495-00478782-00479033 you're recommending we pay off our loan eB0YnaMiB1Y-01496-00479034-00479266 and I don't know how much we pay a month eB0YnaMiB1Y-01497-00479267-00479614 on that loan but essentially that amount eB0YnaMiB1Y-01498-00479615-00479777 of money is going to come back to us on eB0YnaMiB1Y-01499-00479778-00479999 a I don't know if you pay monthly or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01500-00480000-00480287 when I pay my bills bi-weekly you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01501-00480288-00480449 so I mean essentially there's going to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01502-00480450-00480664 be more money coming back into us and so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01503-00480665-00480851 even to your point Alexander like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01504-00480852-00481060 reinvesting that into eB0YnaMiB1Y-01505-00481062-00481270 these types of projects that we know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01506-00481271-00481463 have that kind of impact might be smart eB0YnaMiB1Y-01507-00481464-00481709 you do have that our monthly payments eB0YnaMiB1Y-01508-00481710-00481883 actually forty thousand dollar a year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01509-00481884-00482081 savings would be approximately the same eB0YnaMiB1Y-01510-00482082-00482266 but paying off that loan eB0YnaMiB1Y-01511-00482267-00482459 um a couple caveats eB0YnaMiB1Y-01512-00482460-00482710 one is is the loan was the three and a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01513-00482712-00482891 quarter percent eB0YnaMiB1Y-01514-00482892-00483220 um so we're not actually saving like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01515-00483221-00483497 that much in addition we've also used eB0YnaMiB1Y-01516-00483497-00483755 that housing um Housing Trust Fund to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01517-00483756-00483995 pay some of it so it is all sort of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01518-00483996-00484229 going to the general fund so you're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01519-00484230-00484409 absolutely right paying off that loan eB0YnaMiB1Y-01520-00484410-00484577 would reduce our ongoing obligations eB0YnaMiB1Y-01521-00484578-00484763 moving forward eB0YnaMiB1Y-01522-00484764-00484979 it's not a ton of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01523-00484980-00485251 time so it's already at the 5.5 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01524-00485252-00485531 just went out this year this year okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01525-00485532-00485675 that's why we're getting ready forty eB0YnaMiB1Y-01526-00485676-00485807 thousand dollars a year I mean I guess eB0YnaMiB1Y-01527-00485808-00486070 like um if we spend a million dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-01528-00486071-00486305 for example that million dollars hold eB0YnaMiB1Y-01529-00486306-00486503 for infrastructure if we dedicated that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01530-00486504-00486664 to streets like how many thousands of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01531-00486665-00486916 dollars would we be saving per year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01532-00486917-00487127 like is that something that we can get eB0YnaMiB1Y-01533-00487128-00487570 calculated at some point in the future eB0YnaMiB1Y-01534-00487571-00487733 I think that's something we could try to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01535-00487734-00487979 present it would be like reasonable to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01536-00487980-00488164 understand that but you might even like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01537-00488165-00488375 is that spreadsheet that we had of the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01538-00488376-00488663 breakdown of year to year and so by us eB0YnaMiB1Y-01539-00488664-00489005 covering the next two years today eB0YnaMiB1Y-01540-00489006-00489179 then you'll have an idea of like what's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01541-00489180-00489377 left in terms of our projects and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01542-00489378-00489551 that's the calculation but that would be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01543-00489552-00489863 really great to see of our our projects eB0YnaMiB1Y-01544-00489864-00490049 and how they're um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01545-00490050-00490366 they're identified from worst to best or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01546-00490367-00490649 whatever it is and the cost associated eB0YnaMiB1Y-01547-00490650-00490907 it's really helpful and we we already eB0YnaMiB1Y-01548-00490908-00491177 did some of that that we approved from eB0YnaMiB1Y-01549-00491178-00491422 last year so we're already at least eB0YnaMiB1Y-01550-00491423-00491963 ahead of the game the trajectory okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01551-00491964-00492143 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01552-00492143-00492520 I have things yeah yes um okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01553-00492521-00492857 so yeah I have a handful of um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01554-00492858-00493097 ideas some of them eB0YnaMiB1Y-01555-00493097-00493343 maybe free some of them may be able to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01556-00493343-00493516 take funding from elsewhere and some of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01557-00493517-00493679 them may be appropriate to allocate them eB0YnaMiB1Y-01558-00493680-00493943 with this one time one-time funds for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01559-00493943-00494207 sorry eB0YnaMiB1Y-01560-00494208-00494453 um so I have a couple things eB0YnaMiB1Y-01561-00494454-00494639 um revolving around environmentalism eB0YnaMiB1Y-01562-00494639-00494933 that I am interested in pursuing and I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-01563-00494934-00495095 not sure if there's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01564-00495096-00495257 that would be appropriate to take from eB0YnaMiB1Y-01565-00495258-00495413 these one-time funds or from some other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01566-00495414-00495731 pot but one of them is to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01567-00495732-00495899 increase the number of public water eB0YnaMiB1Y-01568-00495900-00496049 fountains with eB0YnaMiB1Y-01569-00496050-00496247 um the capability of filling up water eB0YnaMiB1Y-01570-00496247-00496559 bottles to reduce plastic use single use eB0YnaMiB1Y-01571-00496560-00496805 plastic eB0YnaMiB1Y-01572-00496806-00496985 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01573-00496985-00497249 I'd like to promote the California green eB0YnaMiB1Y-01574-00497250-00497585 business certification program which eB0YnaMiB1Y-01575-00497585-00497849 may or may not cost some an unknown eB0YnaMiB1Y-01576-00497850-00498041 amount of money I'm actually talking to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01577-00498042-00498220 them and probably will meet with them eB0YnaMiB1Y-01578-00498221-00498485 next week the California green business eB0YnaMiB1Y-01579-00498485-00498779 certification program is um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01580-00498780-00499091 Statewide program that offers eB0YnaMiB1Y-01581-00499092-00499295 certification to businesses who meet a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01582-00499296-00499481 number of criteria regarding eB0YnaMiB1Y-01583-00499482-00499691 environmentalism eB0YnaMiB1Y-01584-00499692-00499895 and it's a free program to businesses eB0YnaMiB1Y-01585-00499896-00500087 and they actually offer eB0YnaMiB1Y-01586-00500088-00500153 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01587-00500154-00500531 rebates from time to time of up to 500 I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01588-00500532-00500735 believe for businesses that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01589-00500735-00500903 um want to spend that money to meet eB0YnaMiB1Y-01590-00500904-00501047 their qualifications so it's a great eB0YnaMiB1Y-01591-00501047-00501239 program they've done a lot of good work eB0YnaMiB1Y-01592-00501239-00501497 in our state eB0YnaMiB1Y-01593-00501497-00501760 um and I think like uh the county and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01594-00501762-00501922 city of Santa Cruz are already partnered eB0YnaMiB1Y-01595-00501923-00502103 with them but I think it would it would eB0YnaMiB1Y-01596-00502104-00502289 make a lot of sense to work with them to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01597-00502289-00502516 promote that um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01598-00502517-00502853 in our city eB0YnaMiB1Y-01599-00502854-00503447 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01600-00503447-00503651 I had eB0YnaMiB1Y-01601-00503652-00504041 one more environmental thing but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01602-00504042-00504287 uh maybe I'll come back to that if I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01603-00504288-00504616 find it I'd like to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01604-00504617-00504881 have a mall Redevelopment committee to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01605-00504882-00505120 make sure that we're working together eB0YnaMiB1Y-01606-00505121-00505385 with all undrafted parties and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01607-00505385-00505570 potentially Community stakeholders and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01608-00505571-00505810 moving that project along I think it's a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01609-00505812-00505991 really complicated project and it should eB0YnaMiB1Y-01610-00505992-00506249 be one of our top priorities in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01611-00506250-00506416 coming year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01612-00506417-00506627 I don't expect that that I should need eB0YnaMiB1Y-01613-00506628-00507191 any budget but more of just a goal eB0YnaMiB1Y-01614-00507192-00507509 and I'll uh also be interested in maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-01615-00507510-00507664 dedicating some eB0YnaMiB1Y-01616-00507665-00508139 funding for uh programming at the um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01617-00508139-00508439 Community Center during its or after a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01618-00508439-00508643 tree development specifically I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-01619-00508643-00508907 interested in a Makerspace eB0YnaMiB1Y-01620-00508908-00509081 a Makerspace eB0YnaMiB1Y-01621-00509082-00509141 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01622-00509142-00509416 is a place where people and maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-01623-00509417-00509843 students can go to use tools and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01624-00509843-00509914 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01625-00509915-00510113 learn about Advanced manufacturing eB0YnaMiB1Y-01626-00510114-00510466 techniques so it's a education Workforce eB0YnaMiB1Y-01627-00510467-00510629 Development eB0YnaMiB1Y-01628-00510630-00510959 and economic development eB0YnaMiB1Y-01629-00510960-00511193 space for communities that are really eB0YnaMiB1Y-01630-00511193-00511499 popular I think it would be a great idea eB0YnaMiB1Y-01631-00511500-00511655 but that would definitely require eB0YnaMiB1Y-01632-00511656-00511907 funding I'm sure there's a lot of or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01633-00511908-00512081 potentially grants out there that could eB0YnaMiB1Y-01634-00512082-00512387 help fund that and then another program eB0YnaMiB1Y-01635-00512388-00512620 I had in mind is um in an eB0YnaMiB1Y-01636-00512621-00512879 intergenerational program to connect the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01637-00512880-00513155 elderly to children I think there's a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01638-00513156-00513364 lot of benefits out there and for that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01639-00513365-00513551 and a lot of really good examples of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01640-00513552-00513755 successful programs eB0YnaMiB1Y-01641-00513756-00514018 so I just think if we're spending you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01642-00514019-00514109 know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01643-00514110-00514372 two million dollars renovating the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01644-00514373-00514570 community center it would make sense to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01645-00514571-00514775 put some amount of money towards eB0YnaMiB1Y-01646-00514776-00514960 programming and to make sure that it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01647-00514962-00515441 utilized to its full extent eB0YnaMiB1Y-01648-00515442-00515920 and oh speaking of goals yeah I would be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01649-00515921-00516112 in favor of and I don't know if this is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01650-00516113-00516233 also eB0YnaMiB1Y-01651-00516234-00516587 wouldn't cost anything probably but um I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01652-00516588-00516803 would definitely be interested in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01653-00516804-00517025 spending more time looking at strategic eB0YnaMiB1Y-01654-00517026-00517331 goals specifically in the greater than eB0YnaMiB1Y-01655-00517332-00517601 one year like five ten fifteen year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01656-00517602-00517960 strategic goals for the city eB0YnaMiB1Y-01657-00517962-00518243 um and just really maybe having some eB0YnaMiB1Y-01658-00518243-00518543 sessions as a city council eB0YnaMiB1Y-01659-00518543-00518789 to think about the direction that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01660-00518789-00519809 want the city to go in in the long term eB0YnaMiB1Y-01661-00519810-00519964 that's all eB0YnaMiB1Y-01662-00519965-00520105 yes eB0YnaMiB1Y-01663-00520106-00520445 to try to uh so I think I hopefully I've eB0YnaMiB1Y-01664-00520446-00520607 got him up on the screen here do you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01665-00520608-00520739 want eB0YnaMiB1Y-01666-00520739-00520810 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01667-00520812-00520955 or some of these do you want to put a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01668-00520956-00521249 dollar figure out if stage associated eB0YnaMiB1Y-01669-00521250-00521525 with them or do you want us yeah well eB0YnaMiB1Y-01670-00521526-00521795 you know like the public water fountains eB0YnaMiB1Y-01671-00521796-00521999 I don't have a good idea of how much eB0YnaMiB1Y-01672-00522000-00522160 that would cost or like what locations eB0YnaMiB1Y-01673-00522162-00522437 would be appropriate for that I mean the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01674-00522438-00522916 programming Maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-01675-00522917-00523168 if I may with like the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01676-00523169-00523337 the eager space eB0YnaMiB1Y-01677-00523338-00523625 during instead of putting enough amount eB0YnaMiB1Y-01678-00523626-00523883 if we could dedicate staff time to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01679-00523884-00524207 seeking grants for I know that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01680-00524208-00524416 school districts have them right eB0YnaMiB1Y-01681-00524417-00524579 um have and there's a lot of grant eB0YnaMiB1Y-01682-00524580-00524735 funding out there so maybe dedicating eB0YnaMiB1Y-01683-00524736-00525053 staff time to inquiring about a grant eB0YnaMiB1Y-01684-00525054-00525257 and seeing how that goes and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01685-00525258-00525593 bringing back that yeah and then the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01686-00525594-00525827 other thing I'm thinking of is for your eB0YnaMiB1Y-01687-00525828-00526031 intergeneration program to connect with eB0YnaMiB1Y-01688-00526032-00526303 youth leader Youth and elders and other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01689-00526304-00526633 entire community members eB0YnaMiB1Y-01690-00526634-00526972 that I think once Nikki comes back to us eB0YnaMiB1Y-01691-00526973-00527266 with where they are with funding wise eB0YnaMiB1Y-01692-00527267-00527525 maybe if we do have some dedicated eB0YnaMiB1Y-01693-00527526-00527872 Children's Fund dollars we can push that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01694-00527873-00528118 back to Parks and Rec to life explore eB0YnaMiB1Y-01695-00528119-00528293 that a little bit if you'd be open to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01696-00528294-00528412 that so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01697-00528413-00528622 not necessarily putting dollars on those eB0YnaMiB1Y-01698-00528623-00528887 two items today but staff time for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01699-00528888-00529157 grants and then a potential eB0YnaMiB1Y-01700-00529158-00529379 um funding funding support for parks and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01701-00529380-00529511 rec to look at some of the programs eB0YnaMiB1Y-01702-00529512-00529672 you're referring to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01703-00529673-00529768 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01704-00529769-00529979 I think it might make sense to allocate eB0YnaMiB1Y-01705-00529980-00530255 some funding specifically for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01706-00530256-00530389 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01707-00530390-00530620 materials for something along the lines eB0YnaMiB1Y-01708-00530621-00530893 of the Makerspace or other programs eB0YnaMiB1Y-01709-00530894-00531118 whether you know it'd be something else eB0YnaMiB1Y-01710-00531119-00531377 like do we have money allocated for the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01711-00531378-00531622 community center to buy things other eB0YnaMiB1Y-01712-00531623-00531839 than infrastructure to support these eB0YnaMiB1Y-01713-00531840-00532085 programs do you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01714-00532086-00532337 do you have a timeline I'm just thinking eB0YnaMiB1Y-01715-00532338-00532529 because we're in developer eB0YnaMiB1Y-01716-00532530-00532895 yeah maybe next year yeah and so if we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01717-00532896-00533105 find the grant funders then we know we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01718-00533106-00533314 need x amount of money for next year eB0YnaMiB1Y-01719-00533315-00533512 then we can allocate those dollars next eB0YnaMiB1Y-01720-00533513-00533777 year yeah that's reasonable okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01721-00533778-00534037 I'd be willing to support that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01722-00534038-00534305 and then I guess I have a follow-up like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01723-00534306-00534514 about the mall Redevelopment eB0YnaMiB1Y-01724-00534515-00534814 I know we're are we just kind of sitting eB0YnaMiB1Y-01725-00534815-00535097 here waiting I mean that's the vibe I'm eB0YnaMiB1Y-01726-00535098-00535283 getting so I don't know eB0YnaMiB1Y-01727-00535284-00535457 as much as that's why we should have a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01728-00535458-00535666 committee well and and that's what I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01729-00535667-00535835 understand but it's up to the developers eB0YnaMiB1Y-01730-00535836-00536057 to decide I don't know if we can be eB0YnaMiB1Y-01731-00536058-00536266 beating down the doors of developers to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01732-00536267-00536549 and maybe we can I don't know I think we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01733-00536550-00536849 can definitely and and then to encourage eB0YnaMiB1Y-01734-00536850-00537118 developers okay well then require I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01735-00537119-00537185 think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01736-00537186-00537983 I think it's coming together with eB0YnaMiB1Y-01737-00537984-00538151 you I think we could look into a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01738-00538152-00539249 committee I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01739-00539250-00539489 the beginning eB0YnaMiB1Y-01740-00539490-00539651 sometimes you perform committees and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01741-00539652-00539783 they can have the life of them their own eB0YnaMiB1Y-01742-00539784-00539957 and so that can be a little bit of kind eB0YnaMiB1Y-01743-00539958-00540179 of just regularly just take up staff eB0YnaMiB1Y-01744-00540180-00540299 time eB0YnaMiB1Y-01745-00540300-00540503 the mall has been a hell of a project eB0YnaMiB1Y-01746-00540504-00540731 and it's just like the pace at which eB0YnaMiB1Y-01747-00540732-00540893 it's happened has been incredibly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01748-00540894-00541175 frustrating to me I know some counselors eB0YnaMiB1Y-01749-00541176-00541349 and frustrated and unless you need to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01750-00541350-00541625 development directors frustrated so I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01751-00541626-00541793 mean I think eB0YnaMiB1Y-01752-00541794-00542195 along those lines if the council formed eB0YnaMiB1Y-01753-00542196-00542531 committee and and tried to put like a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01754-00542532-00542753 specific purpose and said like give us a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01755-00542754-00542975 report regarding feasible options to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01756-00542976-00543143 accelerate Mall Redevelopment within eB0YnaMiB1Y-01757-00543144-00543359 three months I think that that can make eB0YnaMiB1Y-01758-00543360-00543545 some sense I think opening the doors is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01759-00543546-00543755 sort of a standing Mall committee when eB0YnaMiB1Y-01760-00543756-00543887 we get together and we kind of just eB0YnaMiB1Y-01761-00543888-00544049 bring our hands and say this is my eB0YnaMiB1Y-01762-00544050-00544253 question I mean I think part of the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01763-00544254-00544462 committee would be to have these very eB0YnaMiB1Y-01764-00544463-00544679 strategic goals and timelines and create eB0YnaMiB1Y-01765-00544680-00544793 those eB0YnaMiB1Y-01766-00544794-00545020 that I mean yeah that's why I love eB0YnaMiB1Y-01767-00545021-00545262 committees eB0YnaMiB1Y-01768-00545263-00545464 that's not weird at all eB0YnaMiB1Y-01769-00545465-00545668 [Laughter] eB0YnaMiB1Y-01770-00545669-00545866 well and I think that we owe it to our eB0YnaMiB1Y-01771-00545867-00546022 new council members to even give them eB0YnaMiB1Y-01772-00546023-00546220 the the space and the opportunity to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01773-00546221-00546449 learn more about all the work that's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01774-00546450-00546605 been put into it and I don't know that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01775-00546606-00546772 you've been given that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01776-00546773-00546953 um and so I think it's and it maybe it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01777-00546954-00547253 not even forming a committee quite yet eB0YnaMiB1Y-01778-00547254-00547625 today but meeting with staff talking eB0YnaMiB1Y-01779-00547626-00547805 about what that could look like seeing eB0YnaMiB1Y-01780-00547806-00547918 how much more you need on who the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01781-00547919-00548068 stakeholders would be because I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01782-00548069-00548195 know what stakeholders you're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01783-00548196-00548429 envisioning when we started this four eB0YnaMiB1Y-01784-00548430-00548645 years ago at least for me the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01785-00548646-00548777 stakeholders were very were different eB0YnaMiB1Y-01786-00548778-00549101 right so um I think it's fair to say eB0YnaMiB1Y-01787-00549102-00549299 that coming up with some sort of plan eB0YnaMiB1Y-01788-00549300-00549485 and coming back to us with it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01789-00549486-00549695 um sometimes committees and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01790-00549696-00549887 ad hoc using different terms require eB0YnaMiB1Y-01791-00549888-00550043 different eB0YnaMiB1Y-01792-00550044-00550295 um like brown act and like all that sort eB0YnaMiB1Y-01793-00550296-00550451 of stuff and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01794-00550452-00550768 um so I I don't know if you'd be open to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01795-00550769-00550937 working with staff and coming back to us eB0YnaMiB1Y-01796-00550938-00551177 on that because I could get behind that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01797-00551178-00551489 uh yeah I mean it would be plan for a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01798-00551490-00551662 specific details of the committee yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01799-00551663-00551812 definitely eB0YnaMiB1Y-01800-00551813-00552125 cool eB0YnaMiB1Y-01801-00552126-00552505 5 000 pages of reading for you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01802-00552506-00552791 I've read a lot yeah and I have I have eB0YnaMiB1Y-01803-00552792-00552964 met with a good amount of people and I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01804-00552965-00553103 had a lot of discussions about them all eB0YnaMiB1Y-01805-00553104-00553277 Redevelopment but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01806-00553278-00553505 you know gotta get together gotta make eB0YnaMiB1Y-01807-00553506-00553745 it a regular thing eB0YnaMiB1Y-01808-00553746-00554051 okay so any of Alexander's points are eB0YnaMiB1Y-01809-00554052-00554266 are we looking at a dollar amount I was eB0YnaMiB1Y-01810-00554267-00554387 going to ask specifically for the water eB0YnaMiB1Y-01811-00554388-00554525 fountains do you have a dollar amount in eB0YnaMiB1Y-01812-00554526-00554789 mind for that or have you have you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01813-00554790-00554945 talked but it's a recommendation on that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01814-00554946-00555137 I have I've never purchased a water eB0YnaMiB1Y-01815-00555138-00555377 fountain at all why don't we reach out eB0YnaMiB1Y-01816-00555378-00555533 to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01817-00555534-00555916 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01818-00555917-00556264 keep capital assaulty is um the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01819-00556265-00556637 non-profit organization that the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01820-00556638-00556895 Capital Beach company has and they're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01821-00556896-00557093 the there that their company is the one eB0YnaMiB1Y-01822-00557094-00557297 that installed the two latest ones that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01823-00557298-00557549 we have so if they're willing to they eB0YnaMiB1Y-01824-00557550-00557747 receive the 10 of the profits that they eB0YnaMiB1Y-01825-00557748-00557987 receive for that brand goes to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01826-00557988-00558149 Environmental eB0YnaMiB1Y-01827-00558150-00558418 like additions or anything mostly within eB0YnaMiB1Y-01828-00558419-00558611 the village so they might be the people eB0YnaMiB1Y-01829-00558612-00558916 they might have 10 sitting there ready eB0YnaMiB1Y-01830-00558917-00559091 to spend and if we have ideas of where eB0YnaMiB1Y-01831-00559092-00559289 we want those water fountains eB0YnaMiB1Y-01832-00559290-00559516 um to go that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01833-00559517-00559691 might be something that isn't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01834-00559692-00559847 necessarily coming out of our fun but eB0YnaMiB1Y-01835-00559848-00560164 it's part of the vision of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01836-00560165-00560441 the environment eB0YnaMiB1Y-01837-00560442-00560668 a few years back the foundation put one eB0YnaMiB1Y-01838-00560669-00560849 at New Brighton Middle School and it was eB0YnaMiB1Y-01839-00560850-00561757 I believe was 15 000 for one eB0YnaMiB1Y-01840-00561758-00562085 a piece of Arts eB0YnaMiB1Y-01841-00562086-00562372 you remember Andy Chief excuse me a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01842-00562373-00562570 thousand to fifteen thousand yeah we put eB0YnaMiB1Y-01843-00562571-00562679 one in at New Brighton Middle School eB0YnaMiB1Y-01844-00562680-00562925 made the foundation paid for it could eB0YnaMiB1Y-01845-00562926-00563170 staff take a look at this in potential eB0YnaMiB1Y-01846-00563171-00563459 spots and prices and come back to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01847-00563460-00563662 council yeah we can come back that would eB0YnaMiB1Y-01848-00563663-00563866 be reasonable and identifying that how eB0YnaMiB1Y-01849-00563867-00564133 many that would be helpful yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01850-00564134-00564401 locations and average pricing and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01851-00564402-00564611 we could just have a better idea eB0YnaMiB1Y-01852-00564612-00564820 Park I mean that could also be a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01853-00564821-00565049 fundraising thing almost like the bench eB0YnaMiB1Y-01854-00565050-00565241 program or something like hey do you eB0YnaMiB1Y-01855-00565242-00565385 want to fund this water fountain have eB0YnaMiB1Y-01856-00565386-00566084 your name on it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01857-00566085-00566407 [Laughter] eB0YnaMiB1Y-01858-00566408-00566766 [Music] eB0YnaMiB1Y-01859-00566767-00567083 I mean these are little things I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01860-00567084-00567299 appreciate the enthusiasm I will take a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01861-00567300-00567562 look and see what we can find out I I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01862-00567563-00567743 assure that there's options to replace eB0YnaMiB1Y-01863-00567744-00567941 water fountains and potential eB0YnaMiB1Y-01864-00567942-00568318 Partnerships um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01865-00568319-00568516 things often are like lower dollar eB0YnaMiB1Y-01866-00568517-00568720 figures and a lot eB0YnaMiB1Y-01867-00568721-00568966 of things you know you can't put a price eB0YnaMiB1Y-01868-00568967-00569159 on being environmentally friendly eB0YnaMiB1Y-01869-00569160-00569620 exactly or Steph Steph hours number yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-01870-00569621-00569818 okay all right I want to move I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01871-00569819-00569968 want to move numbers around when we're eB0YnaMiB1Y-01872-00569969-00570149 done are we ready because I'm ready this eB0YnaMiB1Y-01873-00570150-00570341 is my favorite part I feel like there's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01874-00570342-00570659 enough need to start carving okay okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01875-00570660-00570799 so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01876-00570800-00571055 uh councilmember Brooks is asking for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01877-00571056-00571487 200 000 to go towards the uh Park I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01878-00571488-00571775 would say move that from the 1.85 for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01879-00571776-00572039 the community center eB0YnaMiB1Y-01880-00572040-00572195 and that would make the community center eB0YnaMiB1Y-01881-00572196-00572537 1.65 so we're still keeping keeping some eB0YnaMiB1Y-01882-00572538-00572789 money there eB0YnaMiB1Y-01883-00572790-00573107 you need a new column and then the 200 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01884-00573108-00573287 000 that we just moved would be for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01885-00573288-00573653 towards the um inclusive playground eB0YnaMiB1Y-01886-00573654-00574009 which will in turn eB0YnaMiB1Y-01887-00574010-00574247 that was one of the new things she added eB0YnaMiB1Y-01888-00574248-00574516 and I'm I'm trying to add the new things eB0YnaMiB1Y-01889-00574517-00574787 but keep it within our budget eB0YnaMiB1Y-01890-00574788-00574985 within 4.8 so that's what I'm doing is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01891-00574986-00575231 trying to take everyone's ideas and put eB0YnaMiB1Y-01892-00575232-00575464 the money things in with the money eB0YnaMiB1Y-01893-00575465-00575662 things we already have which is super eB0YnaMiB1Y-01894-00575663-00576151 technical way of saying that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01895-00576152-00577739 I'm just massage eB0YnaMiB1Y-01896-00577740-00577961 okay so then the pavement management eB0YnaMiB1Y-01897-00577962-00579031 would be 500 000 now eB0YnaMiB1Y-01898-00579032-00579383 what else did I have in here oh the um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01899-00579384-00579593 gun buyback program was like five eB0YnaMiB1Y-01900-00579594-00579779 thousand dollars I think and that's not eB0YnaMiB1Y-01901-00579780-00580066 a lot so I would say put that into part eB0YnaMiB1Y-01902-00580067-00580391 of the uh police tech update so I don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01903-00580392-00580529 know if you want to consider that taking eB0YnaMiB1Y-01904-00580530-00580751 five five thousand away from police tech eB0YnaMiB1Y-01905-00580752-00581045 updates or just adding gun buyback to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01906-00581046-00581351 police tech updates eB0YnaMiB1Y-01907-00581352-00581609 um but essentially guns would eB0YnaMiB1Y-01908-00581610-00581753 what eB0YnaMiB1Y-01909-00581754-00582070 oh my God eB0YnaMiB1Y-01910-00582071-00582251 she just chipped all I knew that was a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01911-00582252-00582418 secret separate line item does it need eB0YnaMiB1Y-01912-00582419-00582803 to be a separate line item eB0YnaMiB1Y-01913-00582804-00583055 from the tech one okay so whatever the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01914-00583056-00583270 tech one was make it five less and add eB0YnaMiB1Y-01915-00583271-00583391 gun buyback eB0YnaMiB1Y-01916-00583392-00583661 well how many guns would that eB0YnaMiB1Y-01917-00583662-00583870 okay yeah how much you how much are we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01918-00583871-00584705 pay in these people eB0YnaMiB1Y-01919-00584706-00584987 oh okay okay it's quite a few off the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01920-00584988-00585137 street actually I was like I heard like eB0YnaMiB1Y-01921-00585138-00585772 500 7000. it's like the general and so I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01922-00585773-00585911 still think we got enough if we can eB0YnaMiB1Y-01923-00585912-00586109 coverage our partnership does that sound eB0YnaMiB1Y-01924-00586110-00586343 so wait so you do want to use 5000 or eB0YnaMiB1Y-01925-00586344-00586493 you don't all right five thousand I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01926-00586494-00586666 think okay okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01927-00586667-00586997 okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-01928-00586998-00587164 okay so did you already did you already eB0YnaMiB1Y-01929-00587165-00587411 reduce the tech updates by five eB0YnaMiB1Y-01930-00587412-00587705 increase oh yeah no no it reduced the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01931-00587706-00587897 tech updates by five and then and then eB0YnaMiB1Y-01932-00587898-00588095 add we added five thousand to it and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01933-00588096-00588347 included gun buyback oh just added five eB0YnaMiB1Y-01934-00588348-00588653 thousand to it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01935-00588654-00588875 okay sure for this for that this sake eB0YnaMiB1Y-01936-00588876-00589007 that's fine eB0YnaMiB1Y-01937-00589008-00589189 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01938-00589190-00589733 uh at 50 000 for the Esplanade eB0YnaMiB1Y-01939-00589734-00590147 yes because we took 800 uh and one eB0YnaMiB1Y-01940-00590148-00590531 million for infrastructures now 800 000. eB0YnaMiB1Y-01941-00590532-00590891 instead of a million yes eB0YnaMiB1Y-01942-00590892-00591089 yes right there eB0YnaMiB1Y-01943-00591090-00591395 yeah sorry that's 800 now eB0YnaMiB1Y-01944-00591396-00591461 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01945-00591462-00591664 I think a lot of eB0YnaMiB1Y-01946-00591665-00591893 council member Peterson's ideas don't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01947-00591894-00592072 cost anything yet as far as we can tell eB0YnaMiB1Y-01948-00592073-00592211 but I think it's good to add them in the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01949-00592212-00592397 goals right right eB0YnaMiB1Y-01950-00592398-00592697 um councilmember Clark's idea about the eB0YnaMiB1Y-01951-00592698-00592918 field and the turf eB0YnaMiB1Y-01952-00592919-00592985 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01953-00592986-00593320 super basic not any detailed search so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01954-00593321-00593512 that there's a 2023 California Turf eB0YnaMiB1Y-01955-00593513-00593681 rebate of up to twenty thousand dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-01956-00593682-00593945 for commercial and Municipal projects so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01957-00593946-00594064 maybe that's something worth looking eB0YnaMiB1Y-01958-00594065-00594220 into even if we're not budgeting it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01959-00594221-00594449 right now to look into make it a goal to eB0YnaMiB1Y-01960-00594450-00594653 look into that because I think he's eB0YnaMiB1Y-01961-00594654-00594959 right for things like water savings and eB0YnaMiB1Y-01962-00594960-00595037 um eB0YnaMiB1Y-01963-00595038-00595193 whatnot I think it's worth looking into eB0YnaMiB1Y-01964-00595194-00595487 especially if we can get a rebate for it eB0YnaMiB1Y-01965-00595488-00595655 um so I think the only things that we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01966-00595656-00595849 haven't included in terms of funding now eB0YnaMiB1Y-01967-00595850-00596218 to to get us back to equilibrium for eB0YnaMiB1Y-01968-00596219-00596614 that 4.8 is the lavco study and the five eB0YnaMiB1Y-01969-00596615-00596779 thousand dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-01970-00596780-00597101 in increased Council training eB0YnaMiB1Y-01971-00597102-00597659 am I right it's a 35. eB0YnaMiB1Y-01972-00597660-00599377 that's not there yet no eB0YnaMiB1Y-01973-00599378-00599818 if I eB0YnaMiB1Y-01974-00599819-00600101 everything is looking right eB0YnaMiB1Y-01975-00600102-00600311 so oh wait because you added oh wait a eB0YnaMiB1Y-01976-00600312-00600539 minute never mind eB0YnaMiB1Y-01977-00600540-00600749 so how are we still over by that oh no eB0YnaMiB1Y-01978-00600750-00601072 no we're under eB0YnaMiB1Y-01979-00601073-00601216 17. eB0YnaMiB1Y-01980-00601217-00601643 is that what she said is that the matter eB0YnaMiB1Y-01981-00601644-00602039 so where did that 15 come from eB0YnaMiB1Y-01982-00602040-00602243 because I was reducing numbers as we eB0YnaMiB1Y-01983-00602244-00602381 added eB0YnaMiB1Y-01984-00602382-00602603 yeah we started with 4.8 eB0YnaMiB1Y-01985-00602604-00602818 I mean eB0YnaMiB1Y-01986-00602819-00604114 15K for programming eB0YnaMiB1Y-01987-00604115-00604493 so I'm just wondering if eB0YnaMiB1Y-01988-00604494-00604781 going over that I mean these are 4.8 is eB0YnaMiB1Y-01989-00604782-00605003 pretty as we know pretty rough numbers eB0YnaMiB1Y-01990-00605004-00605272 as we speak they're not exactly and so eB0YnaMiB1Y-01991-00605273-00605525 if we've just built that in and go over eB0YnaMiB1Y-01992-00605526-00605903 the 4.8 by 10 000 is that the difference eB0YnaMiB1Y-01993-00605904-00606197 because we know Jim's nodding his head eB0YnaMiB1Y-01994-00606198-00606364 he's like it really isn't technically eB0YnaMiB1Y-01995-00606365-00606659 4.8 on a day we have 15 but we haven't eB0YnaMiB1Y-01996-00606660-00606929 increased the council training yet eB0YnaMiB1Y-01997-00606930-00607145 that's not in there yet so we had five eB0YnaMiB1Y-01998-00607146-00607420 there or the lavco study and the lavco eB0YnaMiB1Y-01999-00607421-00607595 studies the other one yeah so just maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-02000-00607596-00607751 so is that what you're suggesting about eB0YnaMiB1Y-02001-00607752-00607997 yes to use just go over and so what eB0YnaMiB1Y-02002-00607998-00608212 happens if we add the lavco study eB0YnaMiB1Y-02003-00608213-00608441 laughco what did you add it in 25 or 30 eB0YnaMiB1Y-02004-00608442-00608699 and what's our total now eB0YnaMiB1Y-02005-00608700-00609172 4.8 so we're over by what 20 000. eB0YnaMiB1Y-02006-00609173-00609377 that's probably close enough for for eB0YnaMiB1Y-02007-00609378-00609575 goal settings as we go through hearings eB0YnaMiB1Y-02008-00609576-00609689 we're going to refine all of these eB0YnaMiB1Y-02009-00609690-00609910 numbers so okay twenty thousand out of eB0YnaMiB1Y-02010-00609911-00610264 four points eB0YnaMiB1Y-02011-00610265-00610391 what eB0YnaMiB1Y-02012-00610392-00610666 what does it look like subtracting two eB0YnaMiB1Y-02013-00610667-00610787 hundred thousand dollars from the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02014-00610788-00610966 community center like like how is that eB0YnaMiB1Y-02015-00610967-00611279 going to affect the project eB0YnaMiB1Y-02016-00611280-00611525 so I mean you know we are still eB0YnaMiB1Y-02017-00611526-00611645 developing eB0YnaMiB1Y-02018-00611646-00611807 we're still developing the wiener Center eB0YnaMiB1Y-02019-00611808-00612029 project so I can't say eB0YnaMiB1Y-02020-00612030-00612257 what would come out eB0YnaMiB1Y-02021-00612258-00612383 um at this stage there's always eB0YnaMiB1Y-02022-00612384-00612562 opportunity for Budget modifications if eB0YnaMiB1Y-02023-00612563-00612749 need be too right this is essentially eB0YnaMiB1Y-02024-00612750-00612989 like this is the first step to eB0YnaMiB1Y-02025-00612990-00613157 Alexander's point at the beginning eB0YnaMiB1Y-02026-00613158-00613541 who happened next is eB0YnaMiB1Y-02027-00613542-00613672 your name will have multiple budget eB0YnaMiB1Y-02028-00613673-00613859 hearings we'll have more refined numbers eB0YnaMiB1Y-02029-00613860-00614057 we'll be able to revisit these here the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02030-00614058-00614212 decision has been made till you adopt eB0YnaMiB1Y-02031-00614213-00614429 the budget can eB0YnaMiB1Y-02032-00614430-00614789 um and and if I may Alexander that eB0YnaMiB1Y-02033-00614790-00615203 projects like the one with the um at the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02034-00615204-00615437 park similar to kind of like the library eB0YnaMiB1Y-02035-00615438-00615766 is that when you have fundraising happen eB0YnaMiB1Y-02036-00615767-00616103 some generally speaking more is eB0YnaMiB1Y-02037-00616104-00616355 fundraised and so at the end of the day eB0YnaMiB1Y-02038-00616356-00616559 the dollars that you see here that we've eB0YnaMiB1Y-02039-00616560-00616829 allocated the let's say it was 500 000 eB0YnaMiB1Y-02040-00616830-00617170 we get get some of it yes back yeah but eB0YnaMiB1Y-02041-00617171-00617477 it's just more of like us saying hey eB0YnaMiB1Y-02042-00617478-00617699 this is what we're good for yeah eB0YnaMiB1Y-02043-00617700-00617860 um and that's my hope I think that eB0YnaMiB1Y-02044-00617861-00617981 there's enough eB0YnaMiB1Y-02045-00617982-00618322 uh commitment from the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02046-00618323-00618562 the group that's decided to support us eB0YnaMiB1Y-02047-00618563-00618791 in the fundraising efforts to really try eB0YnaMiB1Y-02048-00618792-00618929 to get to that number and cover this eB0YnaMiB1Y-02049-00618930-00619120 because they understand this is a lot of eB0YnaMiB1Y-02050-00619121-00619397 money eB0YnaMiB1Y-02051-00619398-00619541 could we eB0YnaMiB1Y-02052-00619542-00619853 um make a note for the the EV vehicles I eB0YnaMiB1Y-02053-00619854-00620177 know we got because since we got our eB0YnaMiB1Y-02054-00620178-00620362 grant money right for the electric eB0YnaMiB1Y-02055-00620363-00620543 street sweeper eB0YnaMiB1Y-02056-00620544-00620801 that was from 3ce imaginary electric eB0YnaMiB1Y-02057-00620802-00621149 street yeah that's not here yet but it's eB0YnaMiB1Y-02058-00621150-00621491 coming right half a billion dollars I eB0YnaMiB1Y-02059-00621492-00621839 know so is that something too that maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-02060-00621840-00622060 we could just either make note of or eB0YnaMiB1Y-02061-00622061-00622325 something I'm I'm thinking if if it's if eB0YnaMiB1Y-02062-00622326-00622516 other grant money comes available from eB0YnaMiB1Y-02063-00622517-00622841 3ce to help with us with more vehicles eB0YnaMiB1Y-02064-00622842-00623051 in that sense and then that would I eB0YnaMiB1Y-02065-00623052-00623159 guess eB0YnaMiB1Y-02066-00623160-00623572 so we may not need our full two or well eB0YnaMiB1Y-02067-00623573-00623891 I mean so realistically eB0YnaMiB1Y-02068-00623892-00624245 the two is kind of just a placeholder to eB0YnaMiB1Y-02069-00624246-00624443 sort of I mean start the process every eB0YnaMiB1Y-02070-00624444-00624622 single City yeah yeah we would spend eB0YnaMiB1Y-02071-00624623-00624922 three million dollars eB0YnaMiB1Y-02072-00624923-00625187 or something into the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02073-00625188-00625403 right it's been less lately it's about eB0YnaMiB1Y-02074-00625404-00625697 200 km yeah so this gets us a little bit eB0YnaMiB1Y-02075-00625698-00625847 more into there so we can start sort of eB0YnaMiB1Y-02076-00625848-00626057 triggering that faster we are absolutely eB0YnaMiB1Y-02077-00626058-00626249 going to try to utilize all the free CE eB0YnaMiB1Y-02078-00626250-00626435 money we can okay and I know that our eB0YnaMiB1Y-02079-00626436-00626603 Public Works directors participated in eB0YnaMiB1Y-02080-00626604-00626801 some of the calls about helping because eB0YnaMiB1Y-02081-00626802-00627139 they have programs eB0YnaMiB1Y-02082-00627140-00627403 we need new chairs eB0YnaMiB1Y-02083-00627404-00628013 another five million dollars to chairs eB0YnaMiB1Y-02084-00628014-00628543 [Laughter] eB0YnaMiB1Y-02085-00628544-00628997 so yeah absolutely okay yeah I just you eB0YnaMiB1Y-02086-00628998-00629237 know that that number that number can be eB0YnaMiB1Y-02087-00629238-00629429 adjusted too as we move forward so I eB0YnaMiB1Y-02088-00629430-00629566 think eB0YnaMiB1Y-02089-00629567-00629914 if this is the council's goal here eB0YnaMiB1Y-02090-00629915-00630257 at this point we have a plan right uh eB0YnaMiB1Y-02091-00630258-00630418 and I think then we will come back with eB0YnaMiB1Y-02092-00630419-00630562 some additional information and the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02093-00630563-00630725 budget we'll talk a bit about the turf eB0YnaMiB1Y-02094-00630726-00630851 project partnership with the school eB0YnaMiB1Y-02095-00630852-00631060 district uh we'll see if we can find out eB0YnaMiB1Y-02096-00631061-00631241 more information I'm sure we can about eB0YnaMiB1Y-02097-00631242-00631481 the water fountains probably not eB0YnaMiB1Y-02098-00631482-00631691 initiating a eB0YnaMiB1Y-02099-00631692-00631925 adopt a water fountain program just eB0YnaMiB1Y-02100-00631926-00632116 thinking about how much how much work eB0YnaMiB1Y-02101-00632117-00632297 goes in around those but I think you eB0YnaMiB1Y-02102-00632298-00632464 know we've got the partnership with the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02103-00632465-00632797 beach company and we did a partnership eB0YnaMiB1Y-02104-00632798-00633239 so maybe that once maybe maybe eB0YnaMiB1Y-02105-00633240-00633383 um and we also I think will partner with eB0YnaMiB1Y-02106-00633384-00633918 the community found eB0YnaMiB1Y-02107-00633919-00634157 and then come back during the budget and eB0YnaMiB1Y-02108-00634158-00634295 talk a little bit more and then there's eB0YnaMiB1Y-02109-00634296-00634510 also the ecyp fund it sounds like eB0YnaMiB1Y-02110-00634511-00634859 there's some good ideas out there about eB0YnaMiB1Y-02111-00634860-00635110 and if you can add on and again it eB0YnaMiB1Y-02112-00635111-00635303 doesn't have to do with any exact eB0YnaMiB1Y-02113-00635304-00635464 dollars but the projects that we're eB0YnaMiB1Y-02114-00635465-00635735 gonna allocate staff's time to In terms eB0YnaMiB1Y-02115-00635736-00635957 for Grants so eB0YnaMiB1Y-02116-00635958-00636064 um because I think that's really eB0YnaMiB1Y-02117-00636065-00636191 important that's how we got here today eB0YnaMiB1Y-02118-00636192-00636407 right what has been by applying for eB0YnaMiB1Y-02119-00636408-00636695 grants that we've never have gone for in eB0YnaMiB1Y-02120-00636696-00636881 the past so I think it's just important eB0YnaMiB1Y-02121-00636882-00637037 that we continue to do that work and eB0YnaMiB1Y-02122-00637038-00637216 understanding that your staff time is eB0YnaMiB1Y-02123-00637217-00637414 limited but we know that the outcome has eB0YnaMiB1Y-02124-00637415-00637625 benefited the city so eB0YnaMiB1Y-02125-00637626-00637918 um on a larger scale really trying to eB0YnaMiB1Y-02126-00637919-00638110 continue to do that and and if you can eB0YnaMiB1Y-02127-00638111-00638225 make sure that eB0YnaMiB1Y-02128-00638226-00638512 when you come back you can say yes to eB0YnaMiB1Y-02129-00638513-00638812 the maker space the water the you know eB0YnaMiB1Y-02130-00638813-00638962 whatever the what there was a lot of eB0YnaMiB1Y-02131-00638963-00639293 them but um identifying those and the eB0YnaMiB1Y-02132-00639294-00639389 Departments that are going to be eB0YnaMiB1Y-02133-00639390-00639581 focusing on them that would be great eB0YnaMiB1Y-02134-00639582-00640055 sure eB0YnaMiB1Y-02135-00640056-00640499 all right folks okay eB0YnaMiB1Y-02136-00640500-00640757 so is this enough Direction eB0YnaMiB1Y-02137-00640758-00641014 are we feeling good about this eB0YnaMiB1Y-02138-00641015-00641201 great eB0YnaMiB1Y-02139-00641202-00641393 do eB0YnaMiB1Y-02140-00641394-00641657 oh do we need a roll call for this or is eB0YnaMiB1Y-02141-00641658-00641951 this just our Direction eB0YnaMiB1Y-02142-00641952-00642118 I think at this point if councils eB0YnaMiB1Y-02143-00642119-00642287 everyone at the table we could just eB0YnaMiB1Y-02144-00642288-00642610 direction do a yay your name eB0YnaMiB1Y-02145-00642611-00642893 yay eB0YnaMiB1Y-02146-00642894-00643253 cool Voice vote All Aboard All Aboard oh eB0YnaMiB1Y-02147-00643254-00643366 yeah I keep forgetting we can do voices eB0YnaMiB1Y-02148-00643367-00643525 we can do voice eB0YnaMiB1Y-02149-00643526-00643931 that's true hi just for Jamie eB0YnaMiB1Y-02150-00643932-00644081 laughs eB0YnaMiB1Y-02151-00644082-00644362 I know you do eB0YnaMiB1Y-02152-00644363-00644783 um okay great eB0YnaMiB1Y-02153-00644784-00645059 I'm not missing anything no item eight eB0YnaMiB1Y-02154-00645060-00647639 adjournment good job everybody eB0YnaMiB1Y-02155-00647640-00648363 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00000-00000382-00001195 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00001-00001196-00001548 thank you eDgFrM_KW04-00002-00001549-00002884 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00003-00002885-00003073 foreign eDgFrM_KW04-00004-00003074-00004794 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00005-00004795-00004913 [Applause] eDgFrM_KW04-00006-00004914-00005795 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00007-00005796-00006906 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00008-00006908-00007595 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00009-00007595-00007951 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00010-00007952-00008234 thank you eDgFrM_KW04-00011-00008235-00009608 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00012-00009609-00011863 [Music] eDgFrM_KW04-00013-00011864-00012250 thank you eDgFrM_KW04-00014-00012251-00013100 [Music] eDyd1yHNmDE-00000-00000003-00000188 hey everybody in today's episode were eDyd1yHNmDE-00001-00000189-00000409 with Juan pinion of pinion landscaping eDyd1yHNmDE-00002-00000411-00000607 he's my ace gardener and my home here eDyd1yHNmDE-00003-00000608-00000761 and we're going to share some things eDyd1yHNmDE-00004-00000762-00000896 that are gonna help you have the best eDyd1yHNmDE-00005-00000897-00001195 card in the spring and summer since 1988 eDyd1yHNmDE-00006-00001196-00001445 I have had one passion only that is to eDyd1yHNmDE-00007-00001446-00001651 exceed customer expectations in every eDyd1yHNmDE-00008-00001652-00001885 facet of the real estate transaction our eDyd1yHNmDE-00009-00001886-00002042 attention to detail and negotiating eDyd1yHNmDE-00010-00002043-00002185 skills make us the most sought-after eDyd1yHNmDE-00011-00002186-00002450 Realtors in our marketplace real estate eDyd1yHNmDE-00012-00002451-00002540 is an industry that's now eDyd1yHNmDE-00013-00002541-00002752 technologically driven we as the second eDyd1yHNmDE-00014-00002753-00003102 stone team will always be cutting edge eDyd1yHNmDE-00015-00003103-00003460 [Music] eDyd1yHNmDE-00016-00003461-00003679 hey it's Scott thanks for joining me for eDyd1yHNmDE-00017-00003680-00003827 another edition of around the house with eDyd1yHNmDE-00018-00003828-00004058 Scott today I'm in my garden with Juan eDyd1yHNmDE-00019-00004059-00004345 pinion my gardener and landscape guru eDyd1yHNmDE-00020-00004346-00004522 quick a little bit of background I live eDyd1yHNmDE-00021-00004523-00004745 on a busy corner and I don't have a lot eDyd1yHNmDE-00022-00004746-00004979 of yard in fact my yard is really really eDyd1yHNmDE-00023-00004980-00005222 small and as a Realtor my days are crazy eDyd1yHNmDE-00024-00005223-00005375 and when I come home I really need to eDyd1yHNmDE-00025-00005376-00005591 relax and decompress so I've had one eDyd1yHNmDE-00026-00005592-00005806 help me create my garden and especially eDyd1yHNmDE-00027-00005807-00006131 now maintain it and I got to tell you I eDyd1yHNmDE-00028-00006132-00006359 come home and thanks to Juan's magic I eDyd1yHNmDE-00029-00006360-00006566 do get to relax every day and enjoy my eDyd1yHNmDE-00030-00006567-00006716 garden and I want to talk to Juan today eDyd1yHNmDE-00031-00006717-00006863 about two tips he's going to give us as eDyd1yHNmDE-00032-00006864-00007009 it's springtime and you may be thinking eDyd1yHNmDE-00033-00007011-00007280 about redoing or refreshing your garden eDyd1yHNmDE-00034-00007281-00007471 and those two tips are very similar to eDyd1yHNmDE-00035-00007472-00007652 the things that helped us as human eDyd1yHNmDE-00036-00007653-00007756 beings thrive that's why it's really eDyd1yHNmDE-00037-00007758-00008128 easy it's water and food Juan talk to us eDyd1yHNmDE-00038-00008129-00008342 a little bit about the different needs eDyd1yHNmDE-00039-00008343-00008567 of the plants and for their watering for eDyd1yHNmDE-00040-00008568-00008956 example well all depends on what kind of eDyd1yHNmDE-00041-00008957-00009278 plan now talking before implants need to eDyd1yHNmDE-00042-00009279-00009605 different in water correct like if you eDyd1yHNmDE-00043-00009606-00009842 want the flowers to bloom you have to eDyd1yHNmDE-00044-00009843-00010001 add a little bit more water I see you eDyd1yHNmDE-00045-00010002-00010238 see on the plants that they are like eDyd1yHNmDE-00046-00010239-00010492 kind of sad it means something is wrong eDyd1yHNmDE-00047-00010493-00010673 with the pot okay probably needs water eDyd1yHNmDE-00048-00010674-00010973 or fertilizer got it basically the both eDyd1yHNmDE-00049-00010974-00011224 things the plants need perfect water and eDyd1yHNmDE-00050-00011225-00011423 fertilizer I love it that's a good point eDyd1yHNmDE-00051-00011424-00011578 one thing the plants kind of talked to eDyd1yHNmDE-00052-00011579-00011762 us and he was sharing with me earlier eDyd1yHNmDE-00053-00011763-00011891 today as we're preparing for today's eDyd1yHNmDE-00054-00011892-00012131 video that even though we have automatic eDyd1yHNmDE-00055-00012132-00012356 irrigation some varieties of plants are eDyd1yHNmDE-00056-00012357-00012458 going to leave a little need a little eDyd1yHNmDE-00057-00012459-00012617 bit more water and they need to be eDyd1yHNmDE-00058-00012618-00012778 augmented maybe running that timer for eDyd1yHNmDE-00059-00012779-00012902 an extra round on Sunday eDyd1yHNmDE-00060-00012903-00013040 we're just taking a walk around the eDyd1yHNmDE-00061-00013041-00013202 garden and looking at your plants if eDyd1yHNmDE-00062-00013203-00013286 something's a little droop eDyd1yHNmDE-00063-00013287-00013438 or something give it a little bit of eDyd1yHNmDE-00064-00013440-00013586 water or even when you at the garden eDyd1yHNmDE-00065-00013587-00013819 center you can check the water needs of eDyd1yHNmDE-00066-00013820-00013955 your individual plants isn't that right eDyd1yHNmDE-00067-00013956-00014230 one yeah it's all right so even if you eDyd1yHNmDE-00068-00014231-00014435 don't want to go to the automatic system eDyd1yHNmDE-00069-00014436-00014675 you can even get a hose and do it eDyd1yHNmDE-00070-00014676-00015002 yourself all depends how our plans are eDyd1yHNmDE-00071-00015003-00015181 yep especially when they are in a pot eDyd1yHNmDE-00072-00015182-00015302 aha eDyd1yHNmDE-00073-00015303-00015644 extra water also if you see holes on the eDyd1yHNmDE-00074-00015644-00015863 plants that means something it's easy to eDyd1yHNmDE-00075-00015863-00015908 do eDyd1yHNmDE-00076-00015909-00016346 got it so we need to spray oh we have a eDyd1yHNmDE-00077-00016347-00016553 pencil spray and you do have organic eDyd1yHNmDE-00078-00016554-00016688 sprays as well cuz I'm on organic eDyd1yHNmDE-00079-00016689-00016831 gardener I'd love to attract my bees in eDyd1yHNmDE-00080-00016832-00016975 my hummingbirds and I feed the birds eDyd1yHNmDE-00081-00016976-00017153 here's worries you can use it are eDyd1yHNmDE-00082-00017154-00017347 friendly for them right yes we have eDyd1yHNmDE-00083-00017348-00017659 sprays that don't hurt bees or bar flies eDyd1yHNmDE-00084-00017660-00017942 okay organic fertilizer an organic spray eDyd1yHNmDE-00085-00017943-00018103 it's awesome so that's healthy for eDyd1yHNmDE-00086-00018104-00018283 plants and healthy for their people I eDyd1yHNmDE-00087-00018284-00018358 appreciate that eDyd1yHNmDE-00088-00018359-00018481 and you were telling me earlier today eDyd1yHNmDE-00089-00018482-00018625 too that you're further fertilizing eDyd1yHNmDE-00090-00018626-00018764 needs are different like right now with eDyd1yHNmDE-00091-00018765-00018902 annuals and perennials that we want to eDyd1yHNmDE-00092-00018903-00019094 bloom and have a lot of flowers but then eDyd1yHNmDE-00093-00019095-00019231 we also have other plants like our eDyd1yHNmDE-00094-00019232-00019411 hedges and so forth that we want green eDyd1yHNmDE-00095-00019412-00019667 fresh healthy growth and that affects eDyd1yHNmDE-00096-00019668-00019828 the type of fertilizer you might use and eDyd1yHNmDE-00097-00019829-00020083 how often correct yes all depends on the eDyd1yHNmDE-00098-00020084-00020342 plants like I say there's a big plants eDyd1yHNmDE-00099-00020343-00020558 need like a strong fertilizer small eDyd1yHNmDE-00100-00020559-00020921 plants like flowers they need fertilizer eDyd1yHNmDE-00101-00020922-00021122 that it's a little bit light they make eDyd1yHNmDE-00102-00021123-00021392 it bloom and grow got it so what I'm eDyd1yHNmDE-00103-00021393-00021586 hearing is it's not rocket science but 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and just like people know to eDyd1yHNmDE-00118-00024240-00024487 plants or flowers were like what would eDyd1yHNmDE-00119-00024488-00024715 be your final closing tip like the best eDyd1yHNmDE-00120-00024716-00024950 tip for someone for this spring to have eDyd1yHNmDE-00121-00024951-00025237 success with their garden yes look on eDyd1yHNmDE-00122-00025238-00025618 the right fertilizer and write them on eDyd1yHNmDE-00123-00025619-00025958 the water and they also have to have the eDyd1yHNmDE-00124-00025958-00026215 right gardener like a good gardener a eDyd1yHNmDE-00125-00026216-00026348 good gardener thank you and I think eDyd1yHNmDE-00126-00026349-00026519 Juan's the best for me but again eDyd1yHNmDE-00127-00026520-00026645 consider what might be eDyd1yHNmDE-00128-00026645-00026862 the best for you thanks for watching at eDyd1yHNmDE-00129-00026863-00027121 the second so team our clients are eDyd1yHNmDE-00130-00027122-00027308 always number one get in touch with us eDyd1yHNmDE-00131-00027308-00027551 with a call text or email and stay in eDyd1yHNmDE-00132-00027552-00027776 touch or on Facebook Instagram and eDyd1yHNmDE-00133-00027777-00028492 YouTube eDyd1yHNmDE-00134-00028493-00028914 [Music] eDyd1yHNmDE-00135-00028916-00029122 you eEl779ZXzMI-00000-00000055-00000286 daylighting is the practice of placing eEl779ZXzMI-00001-00000287-00000555 windows skylights other openings and eEl779ZXzMI-00002-00000556-00000750 reflective surfaces so that sunlight eEl779ZXzMI-00003-00000751-00001036 direct or indirect can provide effective eEl779ZXzMI-00004-00001037-00001341 internal lighting particular attention eEl779ZXzMI-00005-00001342-00001540 is given to day lighting while designing eEl779ZXzMI-00006-00001541-00001729 a building when the aim is to maximize eEl779ZXzMI-00007-00001730-00002043 visual comfort or to reduce energy use eEl779ZXzMI-00008-00002044-00002356 energy savings can be achieved from the eEl779ZXzMI-00009-00002357-00002584 reduced use of 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minimal windows on the eEl779ZXzMI-00051-00012245-00012520 polar side but more in larger windows on eEl779ZXzMI-00052-00012521-00012784 the equatorial side south facing wall in eEl779ZXzMI-00053-00012785-00012982 the northern hemisphere and north facing eEl779ZXzMI-00054-00012983-00013254 wall in the southern hemisphere eEl779ZXzMI-00055-00013255-00013494 equatorial side windows receive at least eEl779ZXzMI-00056-00013494-00013761 some direct sunlight on any sunny day of eEl779ZXzMI-00057-00013762-00013947 the year except in the tropics in eEl779ZXzMI-00058-00013947-00014169 summertime so they are effective at day eEl779ZXzMI-00059-00014169-00014391 lighting areas of the house adjacent to eEl779ZXzMI-00060-00014391-00014679 the windows in higher latitudes during eEl779ZXzMI-00061-00014680-00014925 mid winter light incidents as highly eEl779ZXzMI-00062-00014926-00015255 directional and casts long shadows this eEl779ZXzMI-00063-00015256-00015459 may be partially ameliorated through eEl779ZXzMI-00064-00015460-00015711 light diffusion light pipes or tubes and eEl779ZXzMI-00065-00015712-00015903 through somewhat reflective internal eEl779ZXzMI-00066-00015904-00016230 surfaces in fairly low latitudes in eEl779ZXzMI-00067-00016231-00016482 summer time windows that face east and eEl779ZXzMI-00068-00016483-00016680 west and sometimes those that face eEl779ZXzMI-00069-00016681-00016893 toward the pole receive more sunlight eEl779ZXzMI-00070-00016894-00017663 than windows facing toward the equator eEl779ZXzMI-00071-00017664-00018313 topic types eEl779ZXzMI-00072-00018314-00018519 you eEl779ZXzMI-00073-00018520-00019030 topic windows eEl779ZXzMI-00074-00019031-00019322 windows are the most common way to admit eEl779ZXzMI-00075-00019323-00019609 daylight into a space their vertical eEl779ZXzMI-00076-00019610-00019850 orientation means that they selectively eEl779ZXzMI-00077-00019851-00020086 admit sunlight and diffuse daylight at eEl779ZXzMI-00078-00020087-00020322 different times of the day and year eEl779ZXzMI-00079-00020323-00020567 therefore windows on multiple eEl779ZXzMI-00080-00020568-00020846 orientations must usually be combined to eEl779ZXzMI-00081-00020847-00021041 produce the right mix of light for the eEl779ZXzMI-00082-00021042-00021244 building depending on the climate and eEl779ZXzMI-00083-00021245-00021550 latitude there are three ways to improve eEl779ZXzMI-00084-00021551-00021742 the amount of light available from a eEl779ZXzMI-00085-00021743-00021983 window Oh placing the window close to a eEl779ZXzMI-00086-00021984-00022208 light-colored wall the slanting the eEl779ZXzMI-00087-00022209-00022436 sides of window openings so the inner eEl779ZXzMI-00088-00022437-00022664 opening is larger than the outer opening eEl779ZXzMI-00089-00022665-00022919 or see using a large light-colored eEl779ZXzMI-00090-00022920-00023147 windowsill to project light into the eEl779ZXzMI-00091-00023148-00023480 room different types and grades of glass eEl779ZXzMI-00092-00023481-00023699 and different window treatments can also eEl779ZXzMI-00093-00023700-00023908 affect the amount of light transmission eEl779ZXzMI-00094-00023909-00024224 through the windows the type of glazing eEl779ZXzMI-00095-00024225-00024439 is an important issue expressed by its eEl779ZXzMI-00096-00024440-00024764 VT coefficient visual transmittance also eEl779ZXzMI-00097-00024765-00025049 known as visual light transmittance VLT eEl779ZXzMI-00098-00025050-00025408 as the name suggests this coefficient eEl779ZXzMI-00099-00025409-00025603 measures how much visible light is eEl779ZXzMI-00100-00025604-00025983 admitted by the window a low VT below eEl779ZXzMI-00101-00025984-00026318 0.4 can reduce by half or more the light eEl779ZXzMI-00102-00026319-00026645 coming into a room but be also aware of eEl779ZXzMI-00103-00026645-00027005 high VT glass high VT numbers say above eEl779ZXzMI-00104-00027006-00027287 zero point six zero can be a cause of eEl779ZXzMI-00105-00027288-00027581 glare on the other hand you should also eEl779ZXzMI-00106-00027582-00027808 take into account the undesirable eEl779ZXzMI-00107-00027809-00028064 effects of large windows eEl779ZXzMI-00108-00028066-00028311 windows grade into translucent walls eEl779ZXzMI-00109-00028312-00028820 below eEl779ZXzMI-00110-00028822-00029386 topic clerestory windows eEl779ZXzMI-00111-00029387-00029617 another important element in creating eEl779ZXzMI-00112-00029618-00029865 daylighting is the use of clerestory eEl779ZXzMI-00113-00029866-00030189 windows these are high vertically placed eEl779ZXzMI-00114-00030191-00030457 windows they can be used to increase eEl779ZXzMI-00115-00030458-00030765 direct solar gain when oriented towards eEl779ZXzMI-00116-00030766-00031071 the equator when facing toward the Sun eEl779ZXzMI-00117-00031072-00031302 clear stories and other windows may eEl779ZXzMI-00118-00031304-00031633 admit unacceptable glare in the case of eEl779ZXzMI-00119-00031633-00031876 a passive solar house clear stories may eEl779ZXzMI-00120-00031877-00032089 provide a direct light path to polar eEl779ZXzMI-00121-00032089-00032271 side north in the northern hemisphere eEl779ZXzMI-00122-00032272-00032524 south in the southern hemisphere rooms eEl779ZXzMI-00123-00032525-00032790 that otherwise would not be illuminated eEl779ZXzMI-00124-00032791-00033061 alternatively clear stories can be used eEl779ZXzMI-00125-00033062-00033268 to admit diffused daylight from the eEl779ZXzMI-00126-00033269-00033460 north in the northern hemisphere that eEl779ZXzMI-00127-00033461-00033673 evenly illuminates a space such as a eEl779ZXzMI-00128-00033674-00034036 classroom or office often clerestory eEl779ZXzMI-00129-00034037-00034306 windows also shine onto interior wall eEl779ZXzMI-00130-00034307-00034546 surfaces painted white or another light eEl779ZXzMI-00131-00034547-00034870 color these walls are placed so as to eEl779ZXzMI-00132-00034871-00035127 reflect indirect light to interior areas eEl779ZXzMI-00133-00035128-00035410 where it is needed this method has the eEl779ZXzMI-00134-00035411-00035632 advantage of reducing the directionality eEl779ZXzMI-00135-00035633-00035839 of light to make it softer and more eEl779ZXzMI-00136-00035840-00036508 diffuse reducing shadows eEl779ZXzMI-00137-00036509-00037025 topic Sawtooth roof eEl779ZXzMI-00138-00037026-00037316 another roof angled glass alternative as eEl779ZXzMI-00139-00037317-00037606 a sawtooth roof found on older factories eEl779ZXzMI-00140-00037607-00037892 sawtooth roofs have vertical roof glass eEl779ZXzMI-00141-00037893-00038138 facing away from the equator side of the eEl779ZXzMI-00142-00038139-00038363 building to capture diffused light not eEl779ZXzMI-00143-00038364-00038726 harsh direct equator side solar gain the eEl779ZXzMI-00144-00038727-00038930 angled portion of the glass support eEl779ZXzMI-00145-00038931-00039161 structure is opaque and well insulated eEl779ZXzMI-00146-00039162-00039473 with a cool roof and radiant barrier the eEl779ZXzMI-00147-00039474-00039668 Sawtooth roofs lighting concept eEl779ZXzMI-00148-00039669-00039935 partially reduces the summer solar eEl779ZXzMI-00149-00039936-00040211 furnace skylight problem but still eEl779ZXzMI-00150-00040212-00040481 allows warm interior air to rise and eEl779ZXzMI-00151-00040482-00040694 touch the exterior roof glass in the eEl779ZXzMI-00152-00040695-00040961 cold winter with significant undesirable eEl779ZXzMI-00153-00040962-00041546 heat transfer eEl779ZXzMI-00154-00041547-00042063 Topic skylights eEl779ZXzMI-00155-00042064-00042280 skylights are light transmitting eEl779ZXzMI-00156-00042281-00042508 fenestration products filling openings eEl779ZXzMI-00157-00042509-00042688 in a building envelope which also eEl779ZXzMI-00158-00042689-00043027 includes windows doors etc forming all eEl779ZXzMI-00159-00043028-00043231 or a portion of the roof of a building eEl779ZXzMI-00160-00043232-00043606 space skylights are widely used in day eEl779ZXzMI-00161-00043607-00043807 lighting design in residential and eEl779ZXzMI-00162-00043808-00044023 commercial buildings mainly because they eEl779ZXzMI-00163-00044024-00044185 are the most effective source of eEl779ZXzMI-00164-00044186-00044484 daylight on a unit area basis an eEl779ZXzMI-00165-00044485-00044728 alternative to a skylight as a roof eEl779ZXzMI-00166-00044729-00045016 Lantern a roof Lantern as a daylighting eEl779ZXzMI-00167-00045017-00045271 cupola that sits above a roof as opposed eEl779ZXzMI-00168-00045272-00045484 to a skylight which is fitted into a eEl779ZXzMI-00169-00045485-00045808 roofs construction roof lanterns serve eEl779ZXzMI-00170-00045809-00046021 as both an architectural feature and a eEl779ZXzMI-00171-00046022-00046255 method of introducing natural light into eEl779ZXzMI-00172-00046256-00046459 a space and are typically wooden or eEl779ZXzMI-00173-00046460-00046666 metal structures with a number of glazed eEl779ZXzMI-00174-00046667-00047270 glass panels eEl779ZXzMI-00175-00047271-00047762 topic atrium eEl779ZXzMI-00176-00047763-00048083 an atrium is a large open space located eEl779ZXzMI-00177-00048084-00048357 within a building it is often used to eEl779ZXzMI-00178-00048358-00048573 light a central circulation or public eEl779ZXzMI-00179-00048574-00048761 area by daylight admitted through a eEl779ZXzMI-00180-00048762-00049118 glass roof or wall atria provides some eEl779ZXzMI-00181-00049119-00049364 daylight to adjacent working areas but eEl779ZXzMI-00182-00049365-00049577 the amount is often small and does not eEl779ZXzMI-00183-00049578-00049917 penetrate very far the main function of eEl779ZXzMI-00184-00049918-00050099 an atrium us to provide a visual eEl779ZXzMI-00185-00050100-00050358 experience and a degree of contact with eEl779ZXzMI-00186-00050359-00050549 the outside for people in the working eEl779ZXzMI-00187-00050550-00050864 areas the day lighting of successive eEl779ZXzMI-00188-00050865-00051108 storeys of rooms adjoining an atrium as eEl779ZXzMI-00189-00051109-00051338 interdependent and requires a balanced eEl779ZXzMI-00190-00051339-00051638 approach light from the sky can easily eEl779ZXzMI-00191-00051639-00051851 penetrate the upper storeys but not the eEl779ZXzMI-00192-00051852-00052086 lower which rely primarily on light eEl779ZXzMI-00193-00052087-00052316 reflected from internal surfaces of the eEl779ZXzMI-00194-00052317-00052647 atrium such as floor reflected light the eEl779ZXzMI-00195-00052648-00052907 upper storeys need less window area than eEl779ZXzMI-00196-00052908-00053129 the lower ones and if the atrium walls eEl779ZXzMI-00197-00053130-00053361 are light in color the upper walls will eEl779ZXzMI-00198-00053362-00054079 reflect light toward the lower storeys eEl779ZXzMI-00199-00054079-00054670 Topic translucent walls eEl779ZXzMI-00200-00054671-00054891 walls made of glass brick are eEl779ZXzMI-00201-00054892-00055179 translucent to transparent traditionally eEl779ZXzMI-00202-00055180-00055390 they are hollow and grouted with a fine eEl779ZXzMI-00203-00055391-00055612 concrete grout but some modern glass eEl779ZXzMI-00204-00055613-00055885 brick walls are solid cast glass grouted eEl779ZXzMI-00205-00055886-00056163 with a transparent glue if the glue eEl779ZXzMI-00206-00056164-00056367 matches the refractive index of the eEl779ZXzMI-00207-00056369-00056712 glass the wall can be fairly transparent eEl779ZXzMI-00208-00056713-00056976 increasing the amount of concrete bottle eEl779ZXzMI-00209-00056977-00057151 walls embed bottles that run right eEl779ZXzMI-00210-00057152-00057404 through the wall transmitting light eEl779ZXzMI-00211-00057405-00057703 concrete walls with glass prisms running eEl779ZXzMI-00212-00057704-00057976 through them have also been made with eEl779ZXzMI-00213-00057977-00058201 the advent of cheaper optical fibers eEl779ZXzMI-00214-00058202-00058549 fiber-optic concrete walls daylight and eEl779ZXzMI-00215-00058550-00058779 shadow images can then pass directly eEl779ZXzMI-00216-00058780-00059032 through a solid concrete wall making it eEl779ZXzMI-00217-00059033-00059269 translucent fiber optics will lead light eEl779ZXzMI-00218-00059270-00059550 around bends and over tens of meters eEl779ZXzMI-00219-00059551-00059791 typically only a few percent of the eEl779ZXzMI-00220-00059791-00059965 light has transmitted the percent eEl779ZXzMI-00221-00059966-00060175 transmittance as about half the percent eEl779ZXzMI-00222-00060176-00060354 of the surface that has fibers and eEl779ZXzMI-00223-00060355-00060559 usually only approximately five percent eEl779ZXzMI-00224-00060560-00060841 fibers are used both glass and concrete eEl779ZXzMI-00225-00060841-00061135 conduct heat fairly well when solid so eEl779ZXzMI-00226-00061136-00061429 none of these walls insulate well they eEl779ZXzMI-00227-00061429-00061672 are therefore often used outdoors as a eEl779ZXzMI-00228-00061673-00061941 divider between two heated spaces see eEl779ZXzMI-00229-00061942-00062253 images or in very temperate climates eEl779ZXzMI-00230-00062254-00062544 greenhouse walls and roofs are made to eEl779ZXzMI-00231-00062545-00062746 transmit as much light and as little eEl779ZXzMI-00232-00062747-00063066 heat as possible they use a variety of eEl779ZXzMI-00233-00063067-00063319 materials and may be transparent or eEl779ZXzMI-00234-00063320-00063889 translucent eEl779ZXzMI-00235-00063890-00064476 topic remote distribution eEl779ZXzMI-00236-00064477-00064746 it is possible to provide some daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00237-00064747-00064998 into spaces that have low possibility of eEl779ZXzMI-00238-00064999-00065192 windows or skylights through remote eEl779ZXzMI-00239-00065194-00065424 distribution devices such as mirrors eEl779ZXzMI-00240-00065425-00065760 prisms or light tubes this is called eEl779ZXzMI-00241-00065761-00065967 Anna Dalek lighting from Anna Dalek eEl779ZXzMI-00242-00065968-00066315 non-image forming optics the nonlinear eEl779ZXzMI-00243-00066316-00066543 response of the human eye to light means eEl779ZXzMI-00244-00066544-00066738 that spreading light to a broader area eEl779ZXzMI-00245-00066739-00066969 of a room makes the room appear brighter eEl779ZXzMI-00246-00066970-00067335 and makes more of it usefully lit remote eEl779ZXzMI-00247-00067336-00067544 daylight distribution systems have eEl779ZXzMI-00248-00067545-00067725 losses and the further they have to eEl779ZXzMI-00249-00067726-00067893 transmit the daylight and the more eEl779ZXzMI-00250-00067894-00068100 convoluted the path the greater the eEl779ZXzMI-00251-00068101-00068400 inefficiency the efficiency of many eEl779ZXzMI-00252-00068401-00068622 remote distribution systems can also eEl779ZXzMI-00253-00068623-00068882 vary dramatically from clear to overcast eEl779ZXzMI-00254-00068883-00069204 skies nonetheless where there is no eEl779ZXzMI-00255-00069205-00069432 other possibility of providing daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00256-00069433-00069690 to a space remote distribution systems eEl779ZXzMI-00257-00069691-00070280 can be appreciated eEl779ZXzMI-00258-00070281-00070879 topic light reflectors and shelves eEl779ZXzMI-00259-00070880-00071116 once used extensively in office eEl779ZXzMI-00260-00071117-00071355 buildings the manually adjustable light eEl779ZXzMI-00261-00071356-00071613 reflector as seldom in use today having eEl779ZXzMI-00262-00071614-00071811 been supplanted by a combination of eEl779ZXzMI-00263-00071812-00072028 other methods in concert with artificial eEl779ZXzMI-00264-00072029-00072342 illumination the reflector had found eEl779ZXzMI-00265-00072343-00072579 favor where the choices of artificial eEl779ZXzMI-00266-00072580-00072778 light provided poor illumination eEl779ZXzMI-00267-00072779-00073022 compared to modern electric lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00268-00073023-00073281 light shelves are an effective way to eEl779ZXzMI-00269-00073282-00073522 enhance the lighting from windows on the eEl779ZXzMI-00270-00073523-00073765 equator facing side of a structure this eEl779ZXzMI-00271-00073766-00074010 effect being obtained by placing a white eEl779ZXzMI-00272-00074011-00074241 or reflective metal light shelf outside eEl779ZXzMI-00273-00074242-00074547 the window usually the window will be eEl779ZXzMI-00274-00074548-00074809 protected from direct summer season sun eEl779ZXzMI-00275-00074810-00075105 by a projecting eave the light shelf eEl779ZXzMI-00276-00075106-00075340 projects beyond the shadow created by eEl779ZXzMI-00277-00075341-00075567 the eave and reflects sunlight upward to eEl779ZXzMI-00278-00075568-00075859 illuminate the ceiling this reflected eEl779ZXzMI-00279-00075860-00076047 light can contain little heat content eEl779ZXzMI-00280-00076048-00076272 and the reflective illumination from the eEl779ZXzMI-00281-00076273-00076465 ceiling will typically reduce deep eEl779ZXzMI-00282-00076466-00076701 shadows reducing the need for general eEl779ZXzMI-00283-00076702-00076911 illumination in the cold winter a eEl779ZXzMI-00284-00076912-00077134 natural light shelf was created when eEl779ZXzMI-00285-00077135-00077337 there is snow on the ground which makes eEl779ZXzMI-00286-00077338-00077671 it reflective low winter Sun see Sun eEl779ZXzMI-00287-00077672-00077928 path reflects off the snow and increases eEl779ZXzMI-00288-00077929-00078160 solar gain through equator facing glass eEl779ZXzMI-00289-00078161-00078444 by 1/2 2/3 which brightly lights the eEl779ZXzMI-00290-00078445-00078709 ceiling of these rooms glare control eEl779ZXzMI-00291-00078710-00079354 drapes may be required eEl779ZXzMI-00292-00079355-00079822 topic prizms eEl779ZXzMI-00293-00079823-00080086 the oldest use of prisms for daylighting eEl779ZXzMI-00294-00080087-00080326 may well be Dec prisms led into the eEl779ZXzMI-00295-00080327-00080574 decks of ships to transmit light below eEl779ZXzMI-00296-00080575-00080857 later pavement lights or vault lights eEl779ZXzMI-00297-00080858-00081088 were used to light basement areas under eEl779ZXzMI-00298-00081089-00081310 sidewalks prisms that used total eEl779ZXzMI-00299-00081311-00081493 internal reflection to throw light eEl779ZXzMI-00300-00081494-00081739 sideways lighting the deeper portions of eEl779ZXzMI-00301-00081740-00082081 a room later became popular early thick eEl779ZXzMI-00302-00082082-00082366 slow cooling cast glass prism tiles were eEl779ZXzMI-00303-00082367-00082726 often known as Luxford tiles after a eEl779ZXzMI-00304-00082727-00082981 major manufacturer they were and are eEl779ZXzMI-00305-00082982-00083188 used in the upper portions of Windows eEl779ZXzMI-00306-00083189-00083404 and some believe that they contributed eEl779ZXzMI-00307-00083405-00083608 to the trend from dark subdivided eEl779ZXzMI-00308-00083609-00083863 Victorian interiors to open-plan light eEl779ZXzMI-00309-00083864-00084121 colored ones daylight redirecting window eEl779ZXzMI-00310-00084122-00084430 film DRF is a thin plastic version of eEl779ZXzMI-00311-00084431-00084772 the old glass prism tiles it can be used eEl779ZXzMI-00312-00084773-00085438 as a substitute for opaque blinds eEl779ZXzMI-00313-00085439-00085949 topic light tubes eEl779ZXzMI-00314-00085950-00086234 another type of device used as the light eEl779ZXzMI-00315-00086235-00086477 tube also called a tubular de lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00316-00086478-00086798 device tdd which is placed into a roof eEl779ZXzMI-00317-00086799-00087038 and admits light to a focused area of eEl779ZXzMI-00318-00087039-00087326 the interior these somewhat resemble eEl779ZXzMI-00319-00087327-00087599 recessed ceiling light fixtures they do eEl779ZXzMI-00320-00087600-00087827 not allow as much heat transfer as eEl779ZXzMI-00321-00087828-00088025 skylights because they have less surface eEl779ZXzMI-00322-00088026-00088487 area TD DS use modern technology to eEl779ZXzMI-00323-00088488-00088703 transmit visible light through opaque eEl779ZXzMI-00324-00088704-00089021 walls and roofs the tube itself as a eEl779ZXzMI-00325-00089022-00089252 passive component consisting of either a eEl779ZXzMI-00326-00089253-00089486 simple reflective interior coating or a eEl779ZXzMI-00327-00089487-00089792 light conducting fiber-optic bundle it eEl779ZXzMI-00328-00089793-00090005 has frequently capped with a transparent eEl779ZXzMI-00329-00090006-00090328 roof mounted dome light collector and eEl779ZXzMI-00330-00090329-00090587 terminated with a diffuser assembly that eEl779ZXzMI-00331-00090588-00090812 admits the daylight into interior spaces eEl779ZXzMI-00332-00090813-00091016 and distributes the available light eEl779ZXzMI-00333-00091017-00091271 energy evenly or else efficiently if the eEl779ZXzMI-00334-00091272-00091520 use of the lit space as reasonably fixed eEl779ZXzMI-00335-00091521-00091799 and the user desired one or more bright eEl779ZXzMI-00336-00091800-00092028 spots eEl779ZXzMI-00337-00092029-00092219 the tubular daylighting device was eEl779ZXzMI-00338-00092220-00092465 invented by sola tube international in eEl779ZXzMI-00339-00092466-00092732 1986 and brought to market first in eEl779ZXzMI-00340-00092733-00093466 australia in 1991 eEl779ZXzMI-00341-00093467-00094051 topic SmartGlass eEl779ZXzMI-00342-00094052-00094328 SmartGlass as the name given to a class eEl779ZXzMI-00343-00094329-00094553 of materials and devices that can be eEl779ZXzMI-00344-00094554-00094775 switched between a transparent state and eEl779ZXzMI-00345-00094776-00094963 a state which is opaque translucent eEl779ZXzMI-00346-00094964-00095300 reflective or retro-reflective the eEl779ZXzMI-00347-00095301-00095492 switching is done by applying a voltage eEl779ZXzMI-00348-00095493-00095762 to the material or by performing some eEl779ZXzMI-00349-00095763-00096077 simple mechanical operation windows eEl779ZXzMI-00350-00096078-00096359 skylights etc that are made of smart eEl779ZXzMI-00351-00096360-00096584 glass can be used to adjust indoor eEl779ZXzMI-00352-00096585-00096821 lighting compensating for changes of the eEl779ZXzMI-00353-00096822-00097013 brightness of the light outdoors and of eEl779ZXzMI-00354-00097014-00097717 the required brightness indoors eEl779ZXzMI-00355-00097718-00098622 topic solar lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00356-00098623-00099171 topic helia stats eEl779ZXzMI-00357-00099172-00099441 the use of heliostats mirrors which are eEl779ZXzMI-00358-00099442-00099645 moved automatically to reflect sunlight eEl779ZXzMI-00359-00099646-00099864 in a constant direction as the Sun moves eEl779ZXzMI-00360-00099865-00100176 across the sky is gaining popularity as eEl779ZXzMI-00361-00100177-00100466 an energy efficient method of lighting a eEl779ZXzMI-00362-00100467-00100740 heliostat can be used to shine sunlight eEl779ZXzMI-00363-00100741-00100977 directly through a window or skylight or eEl779ZXzMI-00364-00100978-00101223 into any arrangement of optical elements eEl779ZXzMI-00365-00101224-00101463 such as light tubes that distribute the eEl779ZXzMI-00366-00101464-00101751 light where it is needed the image shows eEl779ZXzMI-00367-00101752-00101898 a mirror that rotates on a eEl779ZXzMI-00368-00101899-00102108 computer-controlled motor driven eEl779ZXzMI-00369-00102109-00102733 altazimuth mount eEl779ZXzMI-00370-00102733-00103308 topic solar streetlights eEl779ZXzMI-00371-00103309-00103588 solar streetlights raised light sources eEl779ZXzMI-00372-00103589-00103836 which are powered by photovoltaic panels eEl779ZXzMI-00373-00103838-00104010 generally mounted on the lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00374-00104011-00104286 structure the solar array of such eEl779ZXzMI-00375-00104288-00104511 off-grid PV system charges a eEl779ZXzMI-00376-00104513-00104725 rechargeable battery which powers a eEl779ZXzMI-00377-00104726-00105008 fluorescent or LED lamp during the night eEl779ZXzMI-00378-00105009-00105292 solar streetlights are standalone power eEl779ZXzMI-00379-00105293-00105496 systems and have the advantage of eEl779ZXzMI-00380-00105497-00105727 savings on trenching landscaping and eEl779ZXzMI-00381-00105728-00105946 maintenance costs as well as on the eEl779ZXzMI-00382-00105947-00106054 electric bills eEl779ZXzMI-00383-00106055-00106201 despite their higher initial cost eEl779ZXzMI-00384-00106202-00106458 compared to conventional street lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00385-00106459-00106710 they are designed with sufficiently eEl779ZXzMI-00386-00106711-00106969 large batteries to ensure operation for eEl779ZXzMI-00387-00106970-00107152 at least a week and even in the worst eEl779ZXzMI-00388-00107153-00107409 situation they are expected to dim only eEl779ZXzMI-00389-00107410-00107721 slightly eEl779ZXzMI-00390-00107722-00107936 hybrid solar lighting Oak Ridge National eEl779ZXzMI-00391-00107938-00108252 Laboratory ORNL has developed a new eEl779ZXzMI-00392-00108253-00108489 alternative to skylights called hybrid eEl779ZXzMI-00393-00108490-00108785 solar lighting this design uses a eEl779ZXzMI-00394-00108786-00109002 roof-mounted light collector large eEl779ZXzMI-00395-00109003-00109259 diameter optical fiber and modified eEl779ZXzMI-00396-00109260-00109473 efficient fluorescent lighting fixtures eEl779ZXzMI-00397-00109474-00109709 that have transparent rods connected to eEl779ZXzMI-00398-00109710-00110036 the optical fiber cables essentially no eEl779ZXzMI-00399-00110038-00110244 electricity is needed for daytime eEl779ZXzMI-00400-00110245-00110540 natural interior lighting field tests eEl779ZXzMI-00401-00110541-00110879 conducted in 2006 and 2007 of the new eEl779ZXzMI-00402-00110880-00111161 HSL technology were promising but the eEl779ZXzMI-00403-00111163-00111383 low volume equipment production is still eEl779ZXzMI-00404-00111384-00111739 expensive HSL should become more eEl779ZXzMI-00405-00111740-00111971 cost-effective in the near future a eEl779ZXzMI-00406-00111972-00112275 version that can withstand wind storms eEl779ZXzMI-00407-00112276-00112433 could begin to replace conventional eEl779ZXzMI-00408-00112433-00112683 commercial fluorescent lighting systems eEl779ZXzMI-00409-00112683-00112974 with improved implementations in 2008 eEl779ZXzMI-00410-00112975-00113331 and beyond the u.s. 2007 energy bill eEl779ZXzMI-00411-00113332-00113660 provides funding for HSL R&D and eEl779ZXzMI-00412-00113661-00113901 multiple large commercial buildings are eEl779ZXzMI-00413-00113902-00114179 ready to fund further HSL application eEl779ZXzMI-00414-00114180-00114474 development and deployment at night o eEl779ZXzMI-00415-00114475-00114827 rnl HSL uses variable intensity eEl779ZXzMI-00416-00114828-00115047 fluorescent lighting electronic control eEl779ZXzMI-00417-00115048-00115356 ballasts as the sunlight gradually eEl779ZXzMI-00418-00115357-00115572 decreases at sunset the fluorescent eEl779ZXzMI-00419-00115573-00115788 fixture is gradually turned up to give a eEl779ZXzMI-00420-00115789-00116013 near constant level of interior lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00421-00116014-00116232 from daylight until after it becomes eEl779ZXzMI-00422-00116233-00116643 dark outside HSL may soon become an eEl779ZXzMI-00423-00116644-00116858 option for commercial interior lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00424-00116858-00117195 it can transmit about half of the direct eEl779ZXzMI-00425-00117196-00117817 sunlight it receives eEl779ZXzMI-00426-00117818-00118356 Topic solarium eEl779ZXzMI-00427-00118357-00118646 in a well-designed isolated solar gain eEl779ZXzMI-00428-00118647-00118850 building with a solarium sunroom eEl779ZXzMI-00429-00118851-00119096 greenhouse etc there is usually eEl779ZXzMI-00430-00119097-00119393 significant glass on the equator side a eEl779ZXzMI-00431-00119394-00119726 large area of glass can also be added eEl779ZXzMI-00432-00119727-00119915 between the sunroom and the interior eEl779ZXzMI-00433-00119916-00120275 living quarters low cost high volume eEl779ZXzMI-00434-00120276-00120546 produced patio door safety glass as an eEl779ZXzMI-00435-00120547-00120897 inexpensive way to accomplish this goal eEl779ZXzMI-00436-00120898-00121133 the doors used to enter a room should be eEl779ZXzMI-00437-00121134-00121404 opposite the sunroom interior glass so eEl779ZXzMI-00438-00121405-00121599 that a user can see outside immediately eEl779ZXzMI-00439-00121600-00121958 when entering most rooms halls should be eEl779ZXzMI-00440-00121959-00122226 minimized with open spaces used instead eEl779ZXzMI-00441-00122227-00122517 if a hall is necessary for privacy or eEl779ZXzMI-00442-00122518-00122805 room isolation an expensive patio door eEl779ZXzMI-00443-00122806-00123057 safety glass can be placed on both sides eEl779ZXzMI-00444-00123058-00123335 of the hall drapes over the interior eEl779ZXzMI-00445-00123336-00123578 glass can be used to control lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00446-00123579-00123840 drapes can optionally be automated with eEl779ZXzMI-00447-00123841-00124074 sensor based electric motor controls eEl779ZXzMI-00448-00124075-00124254 that are aware of room occupancy eEl779ZXzMI-00449-00124255-00124545 daylight interior temperature and time eEl779ZXzMI-00450-00124546-00124857 of day passive solar buildings with no eEl779ZXzMI-00451-00124858-00125091 central air-conditioning system need eEl779ZXzMI-00452-00125092-00125360 control mechanisms for hourly daily and eEl779ZXzMI-00453-00125361-00125565 seasonal temperature and daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00454-00125566-00125895 variations if the temperature is correct eEl779ZXzMI-00455-00125896-00126039 and a room is unoccupied eEl779ZXzMI-00456-00126040-00126291 the drapes can automatically close to eEl779ZXzMI-00457-00126292-00126622 reduce heat transfer in either direction eEl779ZXzMI-00458-00126623-00126889 to help distribute sunroom daylight to eEl779ZXzMI-00459-00126890-00127078 the sides of rooms that are farthest eEl779ZXzMI-00460-00127079-00127321 from the equator inexpensive ceiling to eEl779ZXzMI-00461-00127322-00127672 floor mirrors can be used building codes eEl779ZXzMI-00462-00127673-00127954 require a second means of egress in case eEl779ZXzMI-00463-00127955-00128323 of fire most designers use a door on one eEl779ZXzMI-00464-00128324-00128575 side of bedrooms and an outside window eEl779ZXzMI-00465-00128576-00128875 but west side windows provide very poor eEl779ZXzMI-00466-00128876-00129190 summer thermal performance instead of a eEl779ZXzMI-00467-00129191-00129514 west facing window designers use an r-13 eEl779ZXzMI-00468-00129515-00129751 foam-filled solid energy-efficient eEl779ZXzMI-00469-00129752-00130083 exterior door it may have a glass storm eEl779ZXzMI-00470-00130084-00130297 door on the outside so that light can eEl779ZXzMI-00471-00130298-00130581 pass through when the inner door is open eEl779ZXzMI-00472-00130582-00130900 east-west glass doors and windows should eEl779ZXzMI-00473-00130901-00131107 be fully shaded top-to-bottom or a eEl779ZXzMI-00474-00131108-00131341 spectrally selective coating can be used eEl779ZXzMI-00475-00131342-00132016 to reduce solar gain eEl779ZXzMI-00476-00132017-00132548 topic design eEl779ZXzMI-00477-00132549-00132836 architects and interior designers often eEl779ZXzMI-00478-00132837-00133023 used a lighting as one of design eEl779ZXzMI-00479-00133024-00133308 elements good day lighting requires eEl779ZXzMI-00480-00133309-00133521 attention to both qualitative and eEl779ZXzMI-00481-00133522-00134227 quantitative aspects of design eEl779ZXzMI-00482-00134228-00134758 topic qualitative eEl779ZXzMI-00483-00134759-00134993 utilizing natural light as one of the eEl779ZXzMI-00484-00134994-00135323 design aspects in architecture in 1929 eEl779ZXzMI-00485-00135324-00135608 the French architect Le Corbusier said eEl779ZXzMI-00486-00135609-00135857 that the history of architectural eEl779ZXzMI-00487-00135858-00136274 material has been the endless struggle eEl779ZXzMI-00488-00136275-00136510 for light eEl779ZXzMI-00489-00136511-00136901 in other words the history of Windows eEl779ZXzMI-00490-00136902-00137132 as he emphasized in his architecture eEl779ZXzMI-00491-00137133-00137399 such as notre-dame du haut de lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00492-00137400-00137618 has been a major architectural design eEl779ZXzMI-00493-00137619-00137888 element see MIT Chapel and Church of the eEl779ZXzMI-00494-00137889-00138173 light for examples not only the eEl779ZXzMI-00495-00138174-00138395 aesthetic aspects the impact of day eEl779ZXzMI-00496-00138396-00138566 lighting on human health and work eEl779ZXzMI-00497-00138567-00138773 performance is also considered as eEl779ZXzMI-00498-00138774-00139055 qualitative day lighting the current eEl779ZXzMI-00499-00139056-00139271 studies show that lighting conditions in eEl779ZXzMI-00500-00139272-00139499 workplaces contribute to a variety of eEl779ZXzMI-00501-00139500-00139729 factors related to work satisfaction eEl779ZXzMI-00502-00139730-00139922 productivity and well-being and eEl779ZXzMI-00503-00139923-00140159 significantly higher visual acceptance eEl779ZXzMI-00504-00140160-00140312 scores under day lighting than eEl779ZXzMI-00505-00140313-00140600 electrical lighting studies have also eEl779ZXzMI-00506-00140601-00140858 shown that light has a direct effect on eEl779ZXzMI-00507-00140859-00141053 human health because of the way it eEl779ZXzMI-00508-00141054-00141763 influences the circadian rhythms eEl779ZXzMI-00509-00141764-00142279 topic quantitative eEl779ZXzMI-00510-00142280-00142579 a well daylit space needs both adequate eEl779ZXzMI-00511-00142580-00142771 lighting levels and light that is well eEl779ZXzMI-00512-00142772-00143047 distributed in the current building eEl779ZXzMI-00513-00143048-00143269 industry day lighting is considered a eEl779ZXzMI-00514-00143270-00143473 building performance measure in green eEl779ZXzMI-00515-00143474-00143728 building certification programs such as eEl779ZXzMI-00516-00143729-00144055 lead illumination engineering Society eEl779ZXzMI-00517-00144056-00144310 IES and the Society of light and eEl779ZXzMI-00518-00144311-00144550 lighting sll provide a luminance eEl779ZXzMI-00519-00144551-00144859 recommendation for each space type how eEl779ZXzMI-00520-00144860-00145066 much day lighting contributes to the eEl779ZXzMI-00521-00145067-00145246 recommended lighting level determines eEl779ZXzMI-00522-00145247-00145470 day lighting performance of a building eEl779ZXzMI-00523-00145471-00145768 there are two metrics that IES has eEl779ZXzMI-00524-00145769-00145957 approved to evaluate day lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00525-00145958-00146151 performance spatial daylight autonomy eEl779ZXzMI-00526-00146152-00146686 SDA an annual sunlight exposure ASE SDA eEl779ZXzMI-00527-00146687-00146896 is a metric describing annual eEl779ZXzMI-00528-00146897-00147127 sufficiency of ambient daylight levels eEl779ZXzMI-00529-00147128-00147451 in interior environments see daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00530-00147452-00147721 autonomy and lead documentation sections eEl779ZXzMI-00531-00147722-00148330 for more details eEl779ZXzMI-00532-00148331-00149267 topic evaluation method eEl779ZXzMI-00533-00149268-00149842 topic field measurements eEl779ZXzMI-00534-00149843-00150130 in existing buildings field measurements eEl779ZXzMI-00535-00150131-00150337 can be undertaken to evaluate day eEl779ZXzMI-00536-00150338-00150586 lighting performance illuminance eEl779ZXzMI-00537-00150587-00150808 measurements on a grid as a basic level eEl779ZXzMI-00538-00150809-00151033 to derive an average illuminance of a eEl779ZXzMI-00539-00151034-00151312 space the spacing of the measurement eEl779ZXzMI-00540-00151313-00151603 points vary with project purposes the eEl779ZXzMI-00541-00151604-00151819 height of these points depends on where eEl779ZXzMI-00542-00151820-00152140 the primary task is performed in most eEl779ZXzMI-00543-00152141-00152554 office spaces desk level 0.76 - meters eEl779ZXzMI-00544-00152555-00152836 above the floor will be measured based eEl779ZXzMI-00545-00152837-00153037 on measurements average illuminance eEl779ZXzMI-00546-00153038-00153328 maximum to minimum uniformity ratio an eEl779ZXzMI-00547-00153329-00153595 average to minimum uniformity ratio will eEl779ZXzMI-00548-00153596-00153787 be calculated and compared to the eEl779ZXzMI-00549-00153788-00154114 recommended lighting level a diagnostic eEl779ZXzMI-00550-00154115-00154297 survey specific to lighting can be eEl779ZXzMI-00551-00154298-00154552 conducted to analyze the satisfaction of eEl779ZXzMI-00552-00154553-00155160 building occupants eEl779ZXzMI-00553-00155161-00155836 topic computational simulations eEl779ZXzMI-00554-00155837-00156081 computational simulations can predict eEl779ZXzMI-00555-00156082-00156290 day lighting condition of a space much eEl779ZXzMI-00556-00156291-00156503 faster and more detailed than hand eEl779ZXzMI-00557-00156504-00156843 calculations or scale model testing the eEl779ZXzMI-00558-00156844-00157052 simulations allow for the effects of eEl779ZXzMI-00559-00157053-00157259 climate with hourly weather data from eEl779ZXzMI-00560-00157260-00157583 typical meteorological year computer eEl779ZXzMI-00561-00157584-00157802 models are available which can predict eEl779ZXzMI-00562-00157803-00158089 variations in internally reflected light eEl779ZXzMI-00563-00158090-00158375 radiosity and ray tracing our methods eEl779ZXzMI-00564-00158376-00158619 can deal with complex geometry allow eEl779ZXzMI-00565-00158620-00158828 complex sky distributions and eEl779ZXzMI-00566-00158829-00159006 potentially produce photorealistic eEl779ZXzMI-00567-00159007-00159371 images radiosity methods assume all eEl779ZXzMI-00568-00159372-00159594 surfaces are perfectly diffusing to eEl779ZXzMI-00569-00159595-00159941 reduce computational times ray tracing eEl779ZXzMI-00570-00159942-00160160 techniques have accuracy and image eEl779ZXzMI-00571-00160161-00160767 rendering capacity eEl779ZXzMI-00572-00160768-00161310 topic autonomy eEl779ZXzMI-00573-00161311-00161565 daylight autonomy is the percentage of eEl779ZXzMI-00574-00161566-00161787 time that daylight levels are above a eEl779ZXzMI-00575-00161788-00162003 specified target illuminance within a eEl779ZXzMI-00576-00162004-00162264 physical space or building the eEl779ZXzMI-00577-00162265-00162525 calculation is based on annual data and eEl779ZXzMI-00578-00162526-00162798 the predetermined lighting levels the eEl779ZXzMI-00579-00162799-00163011 goal of the calculation is to determine eEl779ZXzMI-00580-00163012-00163239 how long an individual can work in a eEl779ZXzMI-00581-00163240-00163443 space without requiring electrical eEl779ZXzMI-00582-00163444-00163656 lighting while also providing optimal eEl779ZXzMI-00583-00163657-00163884 visual and physical comfort daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00584-00163885-00164106 autonomy as beneficial when determining eEl779ZXzMI-00585-00164107-00164346 how daylight enters and illuminates a eEl779ZXzMI-00586-00164347-00164676 space the drawback however is that there eEl779ZXzMI-00587-00164677-00164915 is no upper limit on luminance levels eEl779ZXzMI-00588-00164916-00165219 therefore a space with a high internal eEl779ZXzMI-00589-00165220-00165426 heat gain deemed uncomfortable by eEl779ZXzMI-00590-00165427-00165630 occupants would still perform well in eEl779ZXzMI-00591-00165631-00165948 the analysis achieving daylight autonomy eEl779ZXzMI-00592-00165949-00166215 requires an integrated design approach eEl779ZXzMI-00593-00166216-00166449 that guides the building form citing eEl779ZXzMI-00594-00166450-00166656 climate considerations building eEl779ZXzMI-00595-00166657-00166851 components lighting controls and eEl779ZXzMI-00596-00166852-00167511 lighting design criteria eEl779ZXzMI-00597-00167512-00168036 topic continuous eEl779ZXzMI-00598-00168037-00168325 continuous daylight autonomy is similar eEl779ZXzMI-00599-00168326-00168562 to daylight autonomy but partial credit eEl779ZXzMI-00600-00168563-00168784 has attributed to time steps when the eEl779ZXzMI-00601-00168785-00168970 daylight illuminance lies below the eEl779ZXzMI-00602-00168971-00169312 minimum illuminance level for example if eEl779ZXzMI-00603-00169313-00169564 the target illuminance is 400 Lux and eEl779ZXzMI-00604-00169565-00169864 the calculated value as 200 Lux daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00605-00169865-00170093 autonomy would give zero credit while eEl779ZXzMI-00606-00170094-00170323 continuous daylight autonomy would give eEl779ZXzMI-00607-00170324-00170836 zero five credit 200 400 s equals zero eEl779ZXzMI-00608-00170837-00171070 point five the benefit of continuous eEl779ZXzMI-00609-00171071-00171325 daylight autonomy is that it does not eEl779ZXzMI-00610-00171326-00171541 give a hard threshold of acceptable eEl779ZXzMI-00611-00171542-00171853 illuminance instead it addresses the eEl779ZXzMI-00612-00171854-00172126 transition area allowing for realistic eEl779ZXzMI-00613-00172127-00172462 preferences within any given space for eEl779ZXzMI-00614-00172463-00172738 example office occupants usually prefer eEl779ZXzMI-00615-00172739-00172903 to work at daylight below the eEl779ZXzMI-00616-00172904-00173041 illuminance threshold eEl779ZXzMI-00617-00173042-00173272 since this level avoids potential glare eEl779ZXzMI-00618-00173273-00174017 and excessive contrast equals eEl779ZXzMI-00619-00174018-00174637 topic useful illuminance eEl779ZXzMI-00620-00174638-00174988 equals useful daylight illuminance eEl779ZXzMI-00621-00174989-00175213 focuses on the direct sunlight that eEl779ZXzMI-00622-00175214-00175543 falls into a space the useful daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00623-00175544-00175750 illuminance calculation is based on eEl779ZXzMI-00624-00175751-00176011 three factors the percentage of time a eEl779ZXzMI-00625-00176012-00176263 point as below between or above an eEl779ZXzMI-00626-00176264-00176560 illuminance value the range for these eEl779ZXzMI-00627-00176561-00176943 factors as typically 100 minus 2,000 Lux eEl779ZXzMI-00628-00176944-00177216 useful daylight illuminance is similar eEl779ZXzMI-00629-00177217-00177439 to daylight autonomy but has the added eEl779ZXzMI-00630-00177440-00177664 benefit of addressing glare and thermal eEl779ZXzMI-00631-00177665-00177966 discomfort the upper threshold is used eEl779ZXzMI-00632-00177967-00178186 to determine when glare or thermal eEl779ZXzMI-00633-00178187-00178381 discomfort as occurring and may need eEl779ZXzMI-00634-00178382-00178628 resolution eEl779ZXzMI-00635-00178629-00179087 equals eEl779ZXzMI-00636-00179088-00179760 topic lead documentation eEl779ZXzMI-00637-00179761-00180171 equals the lead 2009 day lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00638-00180172-00180366 standards were intended to connect eEl779ZXzMI-00639-00180367-00180555 building occupants with the outdoors eEl779ZXzMI-00640-00180556-00180738 through use of optimal day lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00641-00180739-00181062 techniques and technologies according to eEl779ZXzMI-00642-00181063-00181323 these standards the maximum value of one eEl779ZXzMI-00643-00181324-00181515 point can be achieved through four eEl779ZXzMI-00644-00181516-00181800 different approaches the first approach eEl779ZXzMI-00645-00181801-00182046 is a computer simulation to demonstrate eEl779ZXzMI-00646-00182047-00182280 in clear sky conditions the daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00647-00182281-00182712 illuminance levels 108 - 5400 Lux on eEl779ZXzMI-00648-00182713-00183096 September 21st between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. eEl779ZXzMI-00649-00183097-00183336 another prescriptive approach as a eEl779ZXzMI-00650-00183337-00183546 method that uses two types of side eEl779ZXzMI-00651-00183547-00183777 lighting and three types of top lighting eEl779ZXzMI-00652-00183778-00184059 to determine if a minimum of 75 percent eEl779ZXzMI-00653-00184060-00184278 day lighting is achieved in the occupied eEl779ZXzMI-00654-00184279-00184617 spaces a third approach uses indoor eEl779ZXzMI-00655-00184618-00184809 light measurements showing that between eEl779ZXzMI-00656-00184810-00185244 108 - 5400 Lux have been achieved in the eEl779ZXzMI-00657-00185245-00185580 space the last approach is a combination eEl779ZXzMI-00658-00185581-00185784 of the other three calculation methods eEl779ZXzMI-00659-00185785-00185976 to prove that the daylight illumination eEl779ZXzMI-00660-00185977-00186302 requirements are achieved the LEED 2009 eEl779ZXzMI-00661-00186303-00186552 documentation is based upon the daylight eEl779ZXzMI-00662-00186553-00186855 factor calculation the daylight factor eEl779ZXzMI-00663-00186856-00187152 calculation is based on uniform overcast eEl779ZXzMI-00664-00187153-00187464 skies it is most applicable in northern eEl779ZXzMI-00665-00187465-00187685 Europe in parts of North America eEl779ZXzMI-00666-00187686-00187950 daylight factor as the ratio of the eEl779ZXzMI-00667-00187951-00188142 illuminance at a point on a plane eEl779ZXzMI-00668-00188143-00188361 generally the horizontal work plane eEl779ZXzMI-00669-00188362-00188601 produced by the luminous flux received eEl779ZXzMI-00670-00188602-00188811 directly or indirectly at that point eEl779ZXzMI-00671-00188812-00189045 from a sky whose luminance distribution eEl779ZXzMI-00672-00189046-00189219 is known to the illuminance on a eEl779ZXzMI-00673-00189220-00189420 horizontal plane produced by an eEl779ZXzMI-00674-00189421-00189654 unobstructed hemisphere of this same sky eEl779ZXzMI-00675-00189655-00189927 levy for daylighting standards or the eEl779ZXzMI-00676-00189928-00190254 most current as of 2014 the new eEl779ZXzMI-00677-00190255-00190425 standards are similar to the old eEl779ZXzMI-00678-00190426-00190692 standards but also intend to reinforce eEl779ZXzMI-00679-00190693-00190944 circadian rhythms and reduce the use of eEl779ZXzMI-00680-00190945-00191142 electrical lighting by introducing eEl779ZXzMI-00681-00191143-00191445 daylight in the space two options exist eEl779ZXzMI-00682-00191446-00191700 for achieving the maximum value of these eEl779ZXzMI-00683-00191701-00192024 two most recent points one option is to eEl779ZXzMI-00684-00192025-00192291 use a computer simulation to demonstrate eEl779ZXzMI-00685-00192292-00192561 that a spatial daylight autonomy of 300 eEl779ZXzMI-00686-00192562-00192840 Lux for at least 50% of the time and an eEl779ZXzMI-00687-00192841-00193068 annual sunlight exposure of one eEl779ZXzMI-00688-00193069-00193395 and Lux for 250 occupied hours per year eEl779ZXzMI-00689-00193396-00193749 exists in the space another option as to eEl779ZXzMI-00690-00193750-00193959 show that illuminance levels are between eEl779ZXzMI-00691-00193960-00194310 300 Lux and 3000 Lux between 9 a.m. and eEl779ZXzMI-00692-00194311-00194616 3 p.m. on a clear day at the equinox for eEl779ZXzMI-00693-00194617-00194979 75% or 90% of the floor area in the eEl779ZXzMI-00694-00194980-00195291 space the overall goal of the LEED v4 eEl779ZXzMI-00695-00195292-00195555 day lighting metrics as to analyze both eEl779ZXzMI-00696-00195556-00195774 the quantity and quality of the light as eEl779ZXzMI-00697-00195775-00196023 well as to balance the use of glazing to eEl779ZXzMI-00698-00196024-00196425 ensure more light and less cooling load eEl779ZXzMI-00699-00196426-00196815 equals equals see also eEXdssurP20-00000-00000003-00000403 yeah hey today we will talk about pro eEXdssurP20-00001-00000404-00000638 hormones I get a lot of I take him all eEXdssurP20-00002-00000639-00000853 the time and I just took something back eEXdssurP20-00003-00000855-00001052 applies go man how y'all think I put on eEXdssurP20-00004-00001053-00001375 all these rock solid Mustangs line okay eEXdssurP20-00005-00001376-00001651 for you that for those that don't know eEXdssurP20-00006-00001652-00001984 what pro hormones are pro hormones or a eEXdssurP20-00007-00001985-00002227 step away from steroids eEXdssurP20-00008-00002228-00002392 once you ingest them once you pop those eEXdssurP20-00009-00002393-00002630 pills your body converts them into eEXdssurP20-00010-00002631-00002882 steroids right so if it's not already eEXdssurP20-00011-00002883-00003166 steroids is legal to take yeah so it eEXdssurP20-00012-00003167-00003452 makes pro hormones legal so but got a eEXdssurP20-00013-00003453-00003686 story for you stay away from pro eEXdssurP20-00014-00003686-00003917 hormones I used to take Pearlman back eEXdssurP20-00015-00003918-00004103 when I was like 22 shut up right now I'm eEXdssurP20-00016-00004104-00004202 taking the lead on this eEXdssurP20-00017-00004203-00004711 we 36 years old right now okay we was 19 eEXdssurP20-00018-00004712-00004979 or 20 at the time they're like 23 he's eEXdssurP20-00019-00004980-00005300 23 well early 20s back and I said spend eEXdssurP20-00020-00005301-00005558 about 15 years ago this is right when eEXdssurP20-00021-00005559-00005713 Mark McGwire hitting all those homers eEXdssurP20-00022-00005714-00005915 and it was a man and I Sosa was hitting eEXdssurP20-00023-00005916-00006122 homeless yeah and mom were watching all eEXdssurP20-00024-00006123-00006245 these homeless air buzzing what do you eEXdssurP20-00025-00006246-00006484 take it I take it I don't take steroids eEXdssurP20-00026-00006486-00006656 I take and rogue [__] eEXdssurP20-00027-00006656-00006887 that's right that's not even steroids eEXdssurP20-00028-00006888-00007156 it's legal pro homes so all y'all can eEXdssurP20-00029-00007158-00007391 kiss money you know what and I was young eEXdssurP20-00030-00007392-00007639 at the time I said oh man would he take eEXdssurP20-00031-00007640-00007928 intro hm let's go to the health food eEXdssurP20-00032-00007929-00008120 store simply can pick up a bottle that eEXdssurP20-00033-00008120-00008417 stuck up your bottle Andrew we did was eEXdssurP20-00034-00008418-00008617 like there because I wanted to put on eEXdssurP20-00035-00008618-00008878 some rock-solid must yeah and I remember eEXdssurP20-00036-00008879-00009124 is very expensive like 60 bucks and we eEXdssurP20-00037-00009125-00009389 was taking it and you know what it eEXdssurP20-00038-00009390-00009563 worked it worked eEXdssurP20-00039-00009564-00009869 yeah I got strong real quick but you eEXdssurP20-00040-00009870-00010169 know what has some major side effects eEXdssurP20-00041-00010170-00010474 some major side effects made you I got eEXdssurP20-00042-00010475-00010960 like I got like some some [__] tits but eEXdssurP20-00043-00010961-00011105 that's I could get I could get around eEXdssurP20-00044-00011106-00011381 the [__] tits I can't man boobs but eEXdssurP20-00045-00011382-00011524 yeah you can hide them but you put a eEXdssurP20-00046-00011525-00011738 shirt on you don't say hi to me late at eEXdssurP20-00047-00011739-00012017 night but the biggest side effect I had eEXdssurP20-00048-00012018-00012377 man was limp I called it this is called eEXdssurP20-00049-00012378-00012670 Andrew [__] y'all probably taking old eEXdssurP20-00050-00012671-00012997 man gave you a big swollen tip know what eEXdssurP20-00051-00012998-00013130 I mean by Andrew eEXdssurP20-00052-00013131-00013589 my ship was Lippa Lempa Dan his I'm it eEXdssurP20-00053-00013590-00013784 was limp within some spaghetti - been eEXdssurP20-00054-00013785-00013970 overcooked for like 50 million man I eEXdssurP20-00055-00013971-00014261 take a first door I had this bad bad eEXdssurP20-00056-00014262-00014561 chick in front of me man couldn't get it eEXdssurP20-00057-00014562-00014825 up to save my life well wait wait it eEXdssurP20-00058-00014826-00015011 would get up but he would die and I eEXdssurP20-00059-00015012-00015183 don't know what it is it's like yours eEXdssurP20-00060-00015184-00015453 Andrew [__] it was angel [__] had that eEXdssurP20-00061-00015454-00015750 problem for about 16 months six seven eEXdssurP20-00062-00015751-00015992 months man at the age of twenty right eEXdssurP20-00063-00015993-00016350 not 22 23 men early 20s man it's been a eEXdssurP20-00064-00016351-00016425 long time eEXdssurP20-00065-00016426-00016824 but anyway dead lasted about six seven eEXdssurP20-00066-00016825-00017012 months and until this day it happened to eEXdssurP20-00067-00017013-00017169 me - God going through the same problem eEXdssurP20-00068-00017170-00017367 had me a fine honey open for me man eEXdssurP20-00069-00017368-00017667 she's ready to get poked couldn't do eEXdssurP20-00070-00017668-00017972 nothing calls it Andrew it Louis s eEXdssurP20-00071-00017973-00018305 nothing Paul didn't have a bad chick eEXdssurP20-00072-00018306-00018572 licking Axl I ain't had Andrew car and eEXdssurP20-00073-00018573-00019002 she's looking at you like this yeah yes eEXdssurP20-00074-00019003-00019155 so that's a horrible feeling I got all eEXdssurP20-00075-00019156-00019325 these butterflies in my stomach right eEXdssurP20-00076-00019326-00019643 dad just yeah it turns out and relieve eEXdssurP20-00077-00019644-00019897 our deadbeat yeah it turns out Andrew eEXdssurP20-00078-00019898-00020180 makes the male body produce more eEXdssurP20-00079-00020181-00020408 estrogen the funeral hormone so eEXdssurP20-00080-00020409-00020555 basically I was turned into a woman by eEXdssurP20-00081-00020556-00020727 taking that stuff so what is a step away eEXdssurP20-00082-00020728-00021056 from a six change procedure yeah so stay eEXdssurP20-00083-00021057-00021200 away from I'll stay away from producing eEXdssurP20-00084-00021201-00021411 great natural supplements out there like eEXdssurP20-00085-00021412-00021702 jet creatine they won't give you Andrew eEXdssurP20-00086-00021703-00022064 cop damn this so mark bagua wanna thank eEXdssurP20-00087-00022065-00022250 you for that if you still taking this eEXdssurP20-00088-00022251-00022531 stuff I know you ain't hitting nothing eEXdssurP20-00089-00022532-00022837 not even homes that you can't even eEXdssurP20-00090-00022838-00023367 masturbate stay away from go take some eEXdssurP20-00091-00023368-00023574 jackass up yeah we got got article I got eEXdssurP20-00092-00023575-00023799 a post up on my website about promos the eEXdssurP20-00093-00023800-00023939 link is in the description go check it eEXdssurP20-00094-00023940-00024108 out check out the other tips out my eEXdssurP20-00095-00024109-00024325 website to build muscle fast healthy eEXdssurP20-00096-00024326-00024552 take care of by the way I got that eEXdssurP20-00097-00024553-00024851 problem no more yeah eHdFGFcr_Xu-00000-00000330-00000503 you're listening to the higher calling eHdFGFcr_Xu-00001-00000504-00000671 podcast your source for all things eHdFGFcr_Xu-00002-00000672-00000881 hiring Staffing and recruiting I'm your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00003-00000882-00001054 host Pete Newsome and I'm back today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00004-00001055-00001291 with Ricky Baez Ricky how are you today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00005-00001292-00001625 I'm doing amazing Pete amazing ask me eHdFGFcr_Xu-00006-00001626-00001967 why go ahead I I always will why why eHdFGFcr_Xu-00007-00001968-00002368 today I tried that new bacon ranch eHdFGFcr_Xu-00008-00002369-00002705 potato tots things from Zaxby's today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00009-00002706-00002941 that I saw on the uh on the commercial eHdFGFcr_Xu-00010-00002942-00003149 and it looked beautiful in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00011-00003150-00003370 commercial the exact opposite when you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00012-00003371-00003545 actually buy it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00013-00003546-00003785 um and it was horrible so that so that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00014-00003786-00003935 why you're doing great eHdFGFcr_Xu-00015-00003936-00004109 I'm doing great because I'm trying to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00016-00004110-00004367 find a way how to how do we cover the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00017-00004368-00004625 rest of my day eHdFGFcr_Xu-00018-00004626-00004829 and here we are right now you just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00019-00004830-00005051 wanted to bash those that is in no way eHdFGFcr_Xu-00020-00005052-00005206 an answer to why you're doing great eHdFGFcr_Xu-00021-00005207-00005501 people you just wanted to bring up the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00022-00005502-00005693 whatever they are I'm not I'm not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00023-00005694-00005909 familiar with those yeah well good good eHdFGFcr_Xu-00024-00005910-00006035 because you're not missing anything I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00025-00006036-00006209 won't go out and get them now that's how eHdFGFcr_Xu-00026-00006210-00006496 I'm doing sir all right I don't know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00027-00006497-00006653 what to do with that you threw me for a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00028-00006654-00006995 loop but here we are it's another eHdFGFcr_Xu-00029-00006995-00007151 recording so I'm gonna throw you for a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00030-00007152-00007403 loop today because we didn't um I didn't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00031-00007404-00007553 uh ask you in advance eHdFGFcr_Xu-00032-00007554-00007745 um uh for your opinion on this so I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00033-00007745-00008014 going to hit you up right now and um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00034-00008015-00008164 we're going to talk about Bernie Sanders eHdFGFcr_Xu-00035-00008165-00008339 how's that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00036-00008340-00008603 oh is he still sitting down in the cold eHdFGFcr_Xu-00037-00008604-00008951 with his uh little mittens on with his eHdFGFcr_Xu-00038-00008952-00009160 chair and his chair somebody go get him eHdFGFcr_Xu-00039-00009161-00009431 somebody go get him poor guy he does eHdFGFcr_Xu-00040-00009432-00009701 show up quite a bit there yeah are you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00041-00009702-00009899 saying no I thought I thought you were eHdFGFcr_Xu-00042-00009900-00009995 going to use that as an opportunity to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00043-00009996-00010253 make a Colonel Sanders uh comment but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00044-00010254-00010619 that's next that's next week yeah so uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-00045-00010620-00010919 you know Bernie's been uh a little bit eHdFGFcr_Xu-00046-00010920-00011141 on on Twitter this the for the past eHdFGFcr_Xu-00047-00011142-00011345 couple days commenting on the rail eHdFGFcr_Xu-00048-00011346-00011614 strike so if I'm sure you're familiar eHdFGFcr_Xu-00049-00011615-00011813 with that I think most most of us are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00050-00011814-00012005 and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00051-00012006-00012238 uh there were a couple of comments that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00052-00012239-00012424 he made that that I wanted to pick your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00053-00012425-00012623 brain on as an HR professional because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00054-00012624-00012952 in a way I I see those eHdFGFcr_Xu-00055-00012953-00013271 um sort of contradictory in nature and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00056-00013272-00013415 and so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00057-00013416-00013547 I wanted to talk about that for a minute eHdFGFcr_Xu-00058-00013547-00013649 are you talking are you comfortable eHdFGFcr_Xu-00059-00013650-00013822 talking about unions and and rail eHdFGFcr_Xu-00060-00013823-00014003 strikes and Bernie that sounds boring eHdFGFcr_Xu-00061-00014004-00014338 but we can make it not boring oh unions eHdFGFcr_Xu-00062-00014340-00014644 are everything but boring sir let me eHdFGFcr_Xu-00063-00014645-00014836 tell you I've been in grievances left eHdFGFcr_Xu-00064-00014837-00015022 and right and uh they're not boring at eHdFGFcr_Xu-00065-00015023-00015280 all so let me let me share right you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00066-00015281-00015466 know being a southerner even though we eHdFGFcr_Xu-00067-00015468-00015697 recruit and staff nationally eHdFGFcr_Xu-00068-00015697-00016007 unions aren't uh very they're not really eHdFGFcr_Xu-00069-00016008-00016205 prevalent here right that that goes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00070-00016206-00016522 without saying and most of our business eHdFGFcr_Xu-00071-00016523-00016775 does evolve around companies who have eHdFGFcr_Xu-00072-00016776-00017033 some sort of presence in Florida uh or eHdFGFcr_Xu-00073-00017034-00017261 the the southeast and that's how we've eHdFGFcr_Xu-00074-00017262-00017411 evolved so even though we do business eHdFGFcr_Xu-00075-00017412-00017585 with companies in the Northeast where I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00076-00017586-00017825 think of being mainly associated with eHdFGFcr_Xu-00077-00017826-00018130 with unions it's not been something that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00078-00018131-00018389 has come up on a very regular basis in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00079-00018390-00018667 in my two decades of Staffing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00080-00018668-00018958 so what caught my attention this week eHdFGFcr_Xu-00081-00018959-00019300 was weekend was a comment that the two eHdFGFcr_Xu-00082-00019301-00019547 comments that Bernie made eHdFGFcr_Xu-00083-00019548-00019769 um I call him Bernie as if I know him eHdFGFcr_Xu-00084-00019770-00019991 Senator Sanders should we say that with eHdFGFcr_Xu-00085-00019992-00020207 some more formal him as Bernie Sanders eHdFGFcr_Xu-00086-00020208-00020375 you gotta call him Bernie yeah just we eHdFGFcr_Xu-00087-00020376-00020591 gotta call him Bernie we have to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00088-00020592-00020800 that that Bernie made eHdFGFcr_Xu-00089-00020801-00021130 one was um focused around the number of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00090-00021131-00021311 sick days which I think is what the big eHdFGFcr_Xu-00091-00021312-00021472 dispute is all about right now is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00092-00021473-00021743 guaranteed sick days or lack thereof for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00093-00021744-00022036 the real workers now eHdFGFcr_Xu-00094-00022037-00022289 I think people should be able to of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00095-00022290-00022450 course not have to work when they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00096-00022451-00022661 sick but but put that aside this isn't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00097-00022662-00022750 really eHdFGFcr_Xu-00098-00022751-00022978 um you know what what I want to talk eHdFGFcr_Xu-00099-00022979-00023344 about it but what I think of as as eHdFGFcr_Xu-00100-00023345-00023597 unions and what Bernie was going for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00101-00023598-00023872 with this comment that he made was all eHdFGFcr_Xu-00102-00023873-00024130 workers should be guaranteed eHdFGFcr_Xu-00103-00024131-00024389 uh these sick days eHdFGFcr_Xu-00104-00024390-00024725 and I thought huh okay eHdFGFcr_Xu-00105-00024726-00025030 this is sort of the opposite eHdFGFcr_Xu-00106-00025031-00025342 of what I think of in in the freelance eHdFGFcr_Xu-00107-00025343-00025643 Market where no one is guaranteed eHdFGFcr_Xu-00108-00025644-00025756 anything eHdFGFcr_Xu-00109-00025757-00025894 so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00110-00025895-00026117 I'm a huge proponent as I believe you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00111-00026118-00026345 are too of of freelance and and what it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00112-00026345-00026585 can do and I think it is an extremely eHdFGFcr_Xu-00113-00026586-00026914 healthy beneficial way for um for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00114-00026916-00027202 workers to to go about earning a living eHdFGFcr_Xu-00115-00027204-00027574 but nothing is guaranteed there right so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00116-00027575-00027874 I wanna I wanna I wanna talk about that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00117-00027875-00028246 a little bit because I I I'm struggling eHdFGFcr_Xu-00118-00028247-00028414 with that right now because I don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00119-00028416-00028595 really see how that factors into the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00120-00028595-00028757 equation so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00121-00028758-00028967 give me give me your thoughts first on eHdFGFcr_Xu-00122-00028968-00029164 unions as a whole what what eHdFGFcr_Xu-00123-00029166-00029387 um what what purpose they serve eHdFGFcr_Xu-00124-00029388-00029573 well let's talk about why they started eHdFGFcr_Xu-00125-00029574-00029831 right uh now from an agent I'm going to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00126-00029832-00030035 talk from an HR perspective right not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00127-00030036-00030167 from a business owner perspective but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00128-00030168-00030346 from a uni perspective but I'm going to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00129-00030347-00030533 talk about unions from an HR point of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00130-00030533-00030724 view I've been involved with unions for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00131-00030725-00030964 about 15 years now uh um working with eHdFGFcr_Xu-00132-00030966-00031223 them and I'm gonna I'm gonna sum it up eHdFGFcr_Xu-00133-00031224-00031349 in a nutshell eHdFGFcr_Xu-00134-00031350-00031679 I understand why unions exist eHdFGFcr_Xu-00135-00031680-00032045 they they exist because back in the in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00136-00032045-00032393 before 1934 when the nlra became eHdFGFcr_Xu-00137-00032394-00032573 effective which is the National Labor eHdFGFcr_Xu-00138-00032574-00032837 Relations Act and that is a law that is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00139-00032838-00032987 governed by the National Labor Relations eHdFGFcr_Xu-00140-00032988-00033299 Board which does everything Union and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00141-00033300-00033455 the reason it came about is because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00142-00033456-00033718 there was a lot of progression in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00143-00033719-00033935 United States economy as far as eHdFGFcr_Xu-00144-00033936-00034229 factories and work is concerned and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00145-00034230-00034468 employers were focusing just on the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00146-00034469-00034751 bottom line like just on it forget eHdFGFcr_Xu-00147-00034752-00035009 employer safety I mean employee safety eHdFGFcr_Xu-00148-00035010-00035290 forget benefits they will work them like eHdFGFcr_Xu-00149-00035291-00035590 80 hours a week with minimum minimum pay eHdFGFcr_Xu-00150-00035591-00035801 pretty much what the rest of the world eHdFGFcr_Xu-00151-00035802-00036023 kind of looks like to us when it comes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00152-00036024-00036305 to a working economy you know most of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00153-00036306-00036455 the world I want to say I don't want to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00154-00036456-00036629 see the rest of the world but it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00155-00036630-00036851 surrounded around safety in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00156-00036852-00037001 workplace eHdFGFcr_Xu-00157-00037002-00037283 um pay and the tools necessary to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00158-00037284-00037505 perform their job because remember back eHdFGFcr_Xu-00159-00037506-00037618 in the day I don't know if you know the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00160-00037619-00037961 history of of um of the Hoover Dam when eHdFGFcr_Xu-00161-00037962-00038111 the Hoover Dam was being built many eHdFGFcr_Xu-00162-00038112-00038273 moons ago eHdFGFcr_Xu-00163-00038274-00038507 um their their safety record was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00164-00038508-00038801 horrible you had a line of people in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00165-00038802-00039023 parking area I don't say parking lot eHdFGFcr_Xu-00166-00039024-00039137 because there wasn't that many cars back eHdFGFcr_Xu-00167-00039138-00039443 then in in the staging area waiting in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00168-00039444-00039730 line until somebody got sick died or got eHdFGFcr_Xu-00169-00039731-00039899 injured because they will be replaced eHdFGFcr_Xu-00170-00039900-00040043 within three minutes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00171-00040044-00040265 they'll drag the body out and they'll eHdFGFcr_Xu-00172-00040266-00040421 bring the next person waiting in line eHdFGFcr_Xu-00173-00040422-00040811 right so that's before Union started and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00174-00040812-00041015 then people started complaining you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00175-00041016-00041261 just you know lobbying their uh their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00176-00041262-00041477 their their their Congress person and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00177-00041478-00041627 then next thing you know these laws come eHdFGFcr_Xu-00178-00041628-00041765 into play so we don't have enough time eHdFGFcr_Xu-00179-00041766-00041939 to talk about all about units but at the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00180-00041940-00042173 end of the day it's an organization that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00181-00042174-00042533 steps in to to be the in-between between eHdFGFcr_Xu-00182-00042534-00042755 the employer and the employee to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00183-00042756-00043012 negotiate wages into and to negotiate eHdFGFcr_Xu-00184-00043013-00043265 work environments and safety in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00185-00043266-00043390 workplace so at the end of the day eHdFGFcr_Xu-00186-00043391-00043630 that's what it is okay so Hoover Dam eHdFGFcr_Xu-00187-00043631-00043943 this is testing my history I was like eHdFGFcr_Xu-00188-00043944-00044152 paying attention in history class was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00189-00044153-00044483 built um during the Great Depression was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00190-00044484-00044812 it not I believe so I believe the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00191-00044813-00045035 situation the labor situation in the U.S eHdFGFcr_Xu-00192-00045036-00045401 was vastly different than in what would eHdFGFcr_Xu-00193-00045402-00045629 be considered modern times eHdFGFcr_Xu-00194-00045630-00046007 very much so okay so what what you're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00195-00046008-00046139 describing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00196-00046140-00046330 um in terms of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00197-00046331-00046702 uh safety conditions and excessive work eHdFGFcr_Xu-00198-00046703-00047027 hours my first thought when I hear that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00199-00047028-00047218 is why would anyone wait in line for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00200-00047219-00047435 that job it sounds like a job that no eHdFGFcr_Xu-00201-00047436-00047687 one would want you know that I believe eHdFGFcr_Xu-00202-00047688-00047993 very much in letting the market dictate eHdFGFcr_Xu-00203-00047994-00048271 um you know just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00204-00048272-00048574 economics 101 supply and demand in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00205-00048575-00048724 labor market it's the employer's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00206-00048725-00049205 obligation or or the employer's role to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00207-00049206-00049439 make a position attractive enough for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00208-00049440-00049696 someone to want to be in that role and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00209-00049697-00049846 if and if no one wants to be in that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00210-00049847-00050051 role well then then that is on the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00211-00050052-00050218 employer to figure out how to make it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00212-00050219-00050362 more attractive eHdFGFcr_Xu-00213-00050363-00050549 what you're describing is a very eHdFGFcr_Xu-00214-00050550-00050735 unattractive job eHdFGFcr_Xu-00215-00050736-00051161 by any reasonable definition and yet eHdFGFcr_Xu-00216-00051162-00051442 there's again as you're you explain it a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00217-00051444-00051652 line out the door in the most literal eHdFGFcr_Xu-00218-00051653-00051796 sense so I don't know if that was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00219-00051797-00052054 exaggerated to illustrate the point but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00220-00052055-00052361 no that that was true okay so that yeah eHdFGFcr_Xu-00221-00052362-00052666 so so what do do you know the the basis eHdFGFcr_Xu-00222-00052667-00052954 for for that on why there was so much eHdFGFcr_Xu-00223-00052955-00053266 demand for an unattractive role well eHdFGFcr_Xu-00224-00053267-00053459 back then exactly how you said during eHdFGFcr_Xu-00225-00053460-00053675 the Great Depression area you know jobs eHdFGFcr_Xu-00226-00053676-00053866 were not easily found like they are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00227-00053867-00054173 today so men specifically men and some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00228-00054174-00054430 women they would take some dangerous eHdFGFcr_Xu-00229-00054432-00054641 jobs just to put food on the table just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00230-00054641-00054863 because there was nothing else available eHdFGFcr_Xu-00231-00054864-00055085 so you know again that's before the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00232-00055086-00055385 1930s Great Depression was 1920. oh no eHdFGFcr_Xu-00233-00055386-00055535 Great Depression happens around the end eHdFGFcr_Xu-00234-00055536-00055811 of 1920s right yeah 1928 it started eHdFGFcr_Xu-00235-00055812-00056207 whereas the Roaring 20s was the rise of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00236-00056208-00056465 the economy of the U.S back then but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00237-00056466-00056897 once uh once 1928 or 1929 hit that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00238-00056898-00057071 when things really got bad that's when eHdFGFcr_Xu-00239-00057072-00057197 the traditionalist because we talked eHdFGFcr_Xu-00240-00057198-00057419 about Generations that's from the uh the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00241-00057420-00057616 traditionalist would save a lot of stuff eHdFGFcr_Xu-00242-00057617-00057785 they normally wouldn't save their horde eHdFGFcr_Xu-00243-00057786-00057929 left and right and they'll take eHdFGFcr_Xu-00244-00057929-00058157 dangerous dangerous jobs by today's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00245-00058158-00058337 standards because back then there was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00246-00058338-00058571 just nothing else to do and I don't want eHdFGFcr_Xu-00247-00058572-00058757 to see if that alone sparked the union eHdFGFcr_Xu-00248-00058758-00058991 movement but situations like that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00249-00058991-00059225 sparked the uni movement and then fast eHdFGFcr_Xu-00250-00059226-00059447 forward to 2022 eHdFGFcr_Xu-00251-00059448-00059759 the union is still alive and well today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00252-00059760-00060023 for the same reasons different way of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00253-00060024-00060191 looking at it but it's still to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00254-00060191-00060550 negotiate wages pay uh sick time things eHdFGFcr_Xu-00255-00060551-00060826 like that so in yeah again so so let's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00256-00060827-00061138 so I um we need uh what's Joe Rogan's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00257-00061139-00061525 guy that he has that always Jamie yes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00258-00061526-00061750 but but while you were while you were eHdFGFcr_Xu-00259-00061751-00061954 speaking I did look up and yes it was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00260-00061955-00062237 built during the Great Depression and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00261-00062238-00062416 you know a couple of sources that I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00262-00062417-00062723 immediately seeing uh mentions that it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00263-00062724-00062879 was you know provided much needed work eHdFGFcr_Xu-00264-00062879-00063071 for thousands who were desperate right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00265-00063072-00063280 and so that that you know in you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00266-00063282-00063563 Desperate Times Desperate acts so that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00267-00063564-00063653 that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00268-00063654-00063935 makes sense why people would be willing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00269-00063936-00064276 to suffer through a terrible situation eHdFGFcr_Xu-00270-00064277-00064499 like that right they felt probably they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00271-00064500-00064619 was the only way to feed their family eHdFGFcr_Xu-00272-00064620-00064882 you know back then yeah put food on the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00273-00064883-00065171 table Etc so that those days aren't here eHdFGFcr_Xu-00274-00065172-00065465 we're in an era right now where as of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00275-00065466-00065711 the latest uh Bureau of Labor Statistics eHdFGFcr_Xu-00276-00065712-00065879 report that I happened to be looking at eHdFGFcr_Xu-00277-00065880-00066203 earlier today we have 10.3 million job eHdFGFcr_Xu-00278-00066204-00066382 openings and six million people looking eHdFGFcr_Xu-00279-00066383-00066605 for a job so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00280-00066606-00066893 there are more jobs huh yeah let's do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00281-00066894-00067156 some math here so the math indicates eHdFGFcr_Xu-00282-00067157-00067373 pretty pretty clearly that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00283-00067374-00067697 no one has to suffer through that kind eHdFGFcr_Xu-00284-00067698-00067825 of situation eHdFGFcr_Xu-00285-00067826-00068111 unless they're willing to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00286-00068112-00068231 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00287-00068232-00068482 so those conditions don't exist today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00288-00068483-00068891 right this is what I I truly am trying eHdFGFcr_Xu-00289-00068892-00069131 to understand in this because I'll eHdFGFcr_Xu-00290-00069132-00069385 finish a thought on what um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00291-00069386-00069623 Bernie was I'm just going with Bernie eHdFGFcr_Xu-00292-00069624-00069899 what Bernie what Bernie tweeted eHdFGFcr_Xu-00293-00069900-00070193 the the another message was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00294-00070194-00070463 um let me let me let me quote it for you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00295-00070464-00070673 now that I've of course gotten away from eHdFGFcr_Xu-00296-00070674-00070817 this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00297-00070818-00071050 um let me be clear the struggle is not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00298-00071051-00071405 over and this had to do with the the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00299-00071406-00071626 um what they were trying to put in place eHdFGFcr_Xu-00300-00071627-00071932 I think again was was specific to to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00301-00071933-00072193 um sick days was passed over the weekend eHdFGFcr_Xu-00302-00072194-00072521 so his quote was in response to that let eHdFGFcr_Xu-00303-00072522-00072671 me be clear the struggle is not over I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00304-00072672-00072826 will do everything I can to make sure eHdFGFcr_Xu-00305-00072827-00073013 that rail workers in America are treated eHdFGFcr_Xu-00306-00073014-00073253 with dignity and respect okay eHdFGFcr_Xu-00307-00073254-00073594 sure I mean fine yes we want that no one eHdFGFcr_Xu-00308-00073595-00073859 in their right mind would dispute that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00309-00073860-00074021 workers should be treated with dignity eHdFGFcr_Xu-00310-00074022-00074243 and respect non-workers should also be eHdFGFcr_Xu-00311-00074244-00074465 treated with dignity eHdFGFcr_Xu-00312-00074466-00074717 stating the obvious eHdFGFcr_Xu-00313-00074718-00074987 I don't know that that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00314-00074988-00075244 I I'm having trouble equating these eHdFGFcr_Xu-00315-00075245-00075388 things because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00316-00075389-00075544 what eHdFGFcr_Xu-00317-00075545-00075838 again I may be missing something obvious eHdFGFcr_Xu-00318-00075839-00076043 and if I am I want to understand I'd eHdFGFcr_Xu-00319-00076044-00076241 love to bring up Union you know boss on eHdFGFcr_Xu-00320-00076242-00076571 uh to to to to to you know enlighten me eHdFGFcr_Xu-00321-00076572-00076661 on this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00322-00076662-00076888 but I see that as eHdFGFcr_Xu-00323-00076889-00077117 anything but dignity and respect when it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00324-00077118-00077441 comes to treating someone's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00325-00077442-00077621 profession and how they spend their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00326-00077622-00077861 professional day and time and effort and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00327-00077862-00078076 put their body on the line as a team eHdFGFcr_Xu-00328-00078077-00078221 sport eHdFGFcr_Xu-00329-00078222-00078499 I I think that is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00330-00078500-00078941 diminishing well the individual and I I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00331-00078942-00079126 know that I'm missing something I just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00332-00079127-00079319 don't know what it is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00333-00079320-00079505 what say you to that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00334-00079506-00079841 so here's there's a huge difference from eHdFGFcr_Xu-00335-00079842-00080015 the mental difference not fundamental eHdFGFcr_Xu-00336-00080016-00080111 but there's a huge difference between eHdFGFcr_Xu-00337-00080112-00080321 back then and right now as far as unions eHdFGFcr_Xu-00338-00080322-00080531 are concerned back then the struggle was eHdFGFcr_Xu-00339-00080532-00080873 real right OSHA wasn't there safety eHdFGFcr_Xu-00340-00080874-00081119 standards wasn't there people were dying eHdFGFcr_Xu-00341-00081120-00081455 right just for simple mistakes right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00342-00081456-00081749 um now unions now I gotta tell you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00343-00081750-00081917 without me pulling some data they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00344-00081918-00082181 struggling they are struggling right now eHdFGFcr_Xu-00345-00082182-00082331 um they're still really powerful in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00346-00082332-00082499 United States but I think as far as eHdFGFcr_Xu-00347-00082500-00082655 membership and numbers they are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00348-00082656-00082912 struggling because the reason unions are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00349-00082913-00083141 Rel are are are are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00350-00083142-00083435 um still relevant now it has a lot more eHdFGFcr_Xu-00351-00083436-00083603 to do than tradition than anything else eHdFGFcr_Xu-00352-00083604-00083873 you've got people in the workforce today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00353-00083874-00084091 Blue Collar folks you know plumbers eHdFGFcr_Xu-00354-00084092-00084299 electricians you know the backbone of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00355-00084300-00084379 America eHdFGFcr_Xu-00356-00084380-00084706 that come from a long line of plumbers eHdFGFcr_Xu-00357-00084707-00084917 and electricians who believe in unions eHdFGFcr_Xu-00358-00084918-00085126 and they grew up in an environment that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00359-00085127-00085547 says do not turn into a corporate person eHdFGFcr_Xu-00360-00085548-00085823 right you get a union job so you get eHdFGFcr_Xu-00361-00085824-00086003 your benefits you get your pension eHdFGFcr_Xu-00362-00086004-00086261 that's what they're told right when eHdFGFcr_Xu-00363-00086262-00086549 they're growing up and right now unions eHdFGFcr_Xu-00364-00086550-00086765 again are relevant just because yeah eHdFGFcr_Xu-00365-00086766-00086950 more tradition than anything else but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00366-00086951-00087143 there are some organizations down there eHdFGFcr_Xu-00367-00087144-00087491 Pete that the safety issue is not as big eHdFGFcr_Xu-00368-00087492-00087779 as a concern as benefits and pay is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00369-00087780-00088000 right because you you still do have some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00370-00088001-00088318 leaders that are looking at the at the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00371-00088319-00088588 PML so closely with blinders on they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00372-00088589-00088762 forget about the employees and when that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00373-00088763-00089021 happens so much they voiced their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00374-00089022-00089206 concerns to union halls now real quick eHdFGFcr_Xu-00375-00089207-00089368 here's what happens with a union hall eHdFGFcr_Xu-00376-00089369-00089585 right if let's talk about Florida eHdFGFcr_Xu-00377-00089586-00089806 because I can't talk if Florida isn't it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00378-00089807-00090071 is a is a um is a right to work state eHdFGFcr_Xu-00379-00090072-00090299 which means you don't have to join a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00380-00090300-00090485 union for you to get a job in Florida eHdFGFcr_Xu-00381-00090486-00090688 versus another state in order for you to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00382-00090689-00090899 get a union job you got to go to the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00383-00090900-00091115 union hall right and they provide that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00384-00091116-00091438 talent but in Florida if somebody eHdFGFcr_Xu-00385-00091439-00091643 doesn't like eHdFGFcr_Xu-00386-00091644-00091823 um the situation that's happening at eHdFGFcr_Xu-00387-00091824-00091997 work let's say they got a thousand eHdFGFcr_Xu-00388-00091998-00092249 employees right because if somebody goes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00389-00092250-00092435 to the union hall they complete the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00390-00092436-00092597 union hall and then they send some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00391-00092598-00092794 people over to the job site there's a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00392-00092795-00092950 lot of regulations about how that works eHdFGFcr_Xu-00393-00092951-00093262 if they rally everybody and they get 30 eHdFGFcr_Xu-00394-00093263-00093706 interest meaning cards 30 interest of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00395-00093707-00093905 all the employees so thirty percent of a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00396-00093906-00094006 thousand eHdFGFcr_Xu-00397-00094007-00094271 um it's about 300 people right and then eHdFGFcr_Xu-00398-00094272-00094535 if you get 300 people in there the next eHdFGFcr_Xu-00399-00094536-00094691 thing you know you're gonna have a union eHdFGFcr_Xu-00400-00094692-00094823 campaign you're going to have an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00401-00094824-00095117 election going on and now you have Union eHdFGFcr_Xu-00402-00095118-00095309 people coming in telling you what to do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00403-00095310-00095447 from a business perspective that kind of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00404-00095448-00095788 tells you where I lie on a uh on a on a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00405-00095789-00096011 uni conversation and that's to me eHdFGFcr_Xu-00406-00096012-00096323 personally that's a voice that's a cook eHdFGFcr_Xu-00407-00096324-00096497 in the kitchen that does not need to be eHdFGFcr_Xu-00408-00096498-00096587 there eHdFGFcr_Xu-00409-00096588-00096976 but we're still not not done yet once eHdFGFcr_Xu-00410-00096977-00097241 once you get that 30 and they have a uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-00411-00097242-00097517 a um an election what ends up happening eHdFGFcr_Xu-00412-00097518-00097709 Pete that's when the business needs to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00413-00097710-00097906 go all out and communicate all the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00414-00097907-00098068 benefits they have to communicate all eHdFGFcr_Xu-00415-00098069-00098255 these things about how awesome things eHdFGFcr_Xu-00416-00098256-00098579 are right now because the only thing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00417-00098580-00098788 people need to ratify a contract to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00418-00098789-00099155 ratify a union is 50 of the votes plus eHdFGFcr_Xu-00419-00099156-00099467 one more of the people that show up eHdFGFcr_Xu-00420-00099468-00099700 so let's do some math real quick if eHdFGFcr_Xu-00421-00099701-00099899 there's a thousand people in the center eHdFGFcr_Xu-00422-00099900-00100265 and only 10 people show up to vote all eHdFGFcr_Xu-00423-00100266-00100444 you need is six votes to ratify a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00424-00100445-00100835 contract wow thousand people so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00425-00100836-00100981 is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00426-00100982-00101206 generally and I know there was recent eHdFGFcr_Xu-00427-00101207-00101332 talk of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00428-00101333-00101611 unions at I believe Starbucks eHdFGFcr_Xu-00429-00101612-00101950 Amazon and Amazon too yeah big companies eHdFGFcr_Xu-00430-00101951-00102161 I again I'm not I wasn't close enough to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00431-00102162-00102323 what was actually taking place to to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00432-00102324-00102556 have an opinion but generally speaking eHdFGFcr_Xu-00433-00102557-00102982 in a situation like that is it a a vocal eHdFGFcr_Xu-00434-00102983-00103336 minority who is pushing for it or is the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00435-00103338-00103660 majority typically pushing for it what eHdFGFcr_Xu-00436-00103661-00103871 I'm really asking is on the surface eHdFGFcr_Xu-00437-00103872-00104021 right without eHdFGFcr_Xu-00438-00104022-00104256 without um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00439-00104257-00104560 slanting the information there's a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00440-00104561-00104675 better way to phrase it it's not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00441-00104676-00104884 immediately coming to mind is it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00442-00104885-00105304 beneficial to the employees eHdFGFcr_Xu-00443-00105305-00105593 the forming of a union I I realize in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00444-00105594-00105810 the with the real workers that already eHdFGFcr_Xu-00445-00105811-00106007 existing that Bell's an entirely eHdFGFcr_Xu-00446-00106008-00106219 different conversation but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00447-00106220-00106523 it's beneficial for employees who work eHdFGFcr_Xu-00448-00106524-00106745 for an organization where the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00449-00106746-00106943 organization does not listen to the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00450-00106944-00107110 employee and does not respects the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00451-00107111-00107399 employee safety okay so you mentioned eHdFGFcr_Xu-00452-00107400-00107597 safety a lot in the in this conversation eHdFGFcr_Xu-00453-00107598-00107951 and I think of safety as being eHdFGFcr_Xu-00454-00107952-00108028 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00455-00108029-00108443 to transcending unions you know OSHA is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00456-00108444-00108695 who comes to mind for that uh where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00457-00108696-00109121 who's existence you know is entirely eHdFGFcr_Xu-00458-00109122-00109336 based around providing safety you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00459-00109338-00109613 for workers so where where does that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00460-00109614-00109865 overlap with with what a Union's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00461-00109866-00110093 responsibility would be because from a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00462-00110094-00110369 from an OSHA perspective safety is their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00463-00110370-00110615 only goal from a union perspective is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00464-00110616-00110831 only part of the overall eHdFGFcr_Xu-00465-00110832-00111149 um existence because the other one is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00466-00111150-00111299 I'm having the tools they need to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00467-00111300-00111515 perform the job and having the benefits eHdFGFcr_Xu-00468-00111516-00111683 that they need and having equity in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00469-00111683-00111977 company just all all overall benefits eHdFGFcr_Xu-00470-00111978-00112204 um if if and again that aside from eHdFGFcr_Xu-00471-00112205-00112373 safety because OSHA takes care of that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00472-00112374-00112493 now eHdFGFcr_Xu-00473-00112494-00112715 um it's as profits started getting eHdFGFcr_Xu-00474-00112716-00112966 bigger wages did not follow eHdFGFcr_Xu-00475-00112967-00113254 and when you have a bunch of employees eHdFGFcr_Xu-00476-00113255-00113519 who feel like they've been shysted if 30 eHdFGFcr_Xu-00477-00113520-00113710 of them decide to get to a union hall eHdFGFcr_Xu-00478-00113711-00113878 you're going to have some issues right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00479-00113879-00114293 so what I tell clients is listen to your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00480-00114294-00114640 employees listen to them and if you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00481-00114641-00114983 cannot provide the pay and the benefits eHdFGFcr_Xu-00482-00114983-00115204 that they're asking for let them know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00483-00115205-00115469 why and it's and it better be a really eHdFGFcr_Xu-00484-00115470-00115613 good reason otherwise they're going to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00485-00115614-00115769 go and unionize on you next thing you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00486-00115770-00116086 know for every because to me in case you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00487-00116088-00116243 haven't noticed folks from an HR eHdFGFcr_Xu-00488-00116244-00116471 perspective I don't like unions I do not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00489-00116472-00116657 like unions uh that's just my personal eHdFGFcr_Xu-00490-00116658-00116999 opinion because I rather deal with the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00491-00117000-00117233 employees directly if there's any kind eHdFGFcr_Xu-00492-00117233-00117478 of a situation with with a union for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00493-00117479-00117652 example if there's an investigation or eHdFGFcr_Xu-00494-00117653-00117863 something needs to happen I have to have eHdFGFcr_Xu-00495-00117864-00118066 a union rep there and a union eHdFGFcr_Xu-00496-00118067-00118349 representative that's there the it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00497-00118350-00118571 sometimes the ones I've been involved eHdFGFcr_Xu-00498-00118572-00118775 with they got really really hostile eHdFGFcr_Xu-00499-00118776-00119075 really half suckers remember their whole eHdFGFcr_Xu-00500-00119076-00119308 their their whole reason for existing a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00501-00119309-00119507 union rep is to look out for the best eHdFGFcr_Xu-00502-00119508-00119752 interest of their their their their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00503-00119753-00120058 member against me the man right okay so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00504-00120059-00120431 you're you're you in this capacity as eHdFGFcr_Xu-00505-00120432-00120671 you're referring to or HR the the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00506-00120672-00120995 employer right that you're the the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00507-00120996-00121133 corporate entity if you will I'm the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00508-00121133-00121445 evil guy oh according to them okay eHdFGFcr_Xu-00509-00121446-00121636 so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00510-00121638-00122093 here's where I'm struggling in this I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00511-00122094-00122452 I believe that the freelance Market eHdFGFcr_Xu-00512-00122453-00122783 is the greatest route eHdFGFcr_Xu-00513-00122783-00123077 um for employee freedom eHdFGFcr_Xu-00514-00123078-00123466 respect dignity the things that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00515-00123467-00123869 Bernie Sanders says is is necessary eHdFGFcr_Xu-00516-00123870-00124108 it seems to be tying to a union eHdFGFcr_Xu-00517-00124109-00124493 and I'm I'm struggling to connect these eHdFGFcr_Xu-00518-00124494-00124757 dots because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00519-00124758-00124847 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00520-00124848-00125260 I think as a freelancer you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00521-00125261-00125627 only you know choose work where those eHdFGFcr_Xu-00522-00125628-00126095 things exist right not and so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00523-00126096-00126490 if it's being forced upon if it's not if eHdFGFcr_Xu-00524-00126491-00126881 it's unnatural right it it where someone eHdFGFcr_Xu-00525-00126882-00127066 has to it's sort of like a parent making eHdFGFcr_Xu-00526-00127067-00127384 a child apologize right the words may eHdFGFcr_Xu-00527-00127385-00127601 come out but there's no sincerity behind eHdFGFcr_Xu-00528-00127602-00127847 it yeah as someone who's made my eHdFGFcr_Xu-00529-00127848-00128002 children apologize to their siblings eHdFGFcr_Xu-00530-00128003-00128236 many times I'm sorry you know yeah well eHdFGFcr_Xu-00531-00128238-00128404 I'm sorry would be even nice it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00532-00128405-00128890 usually I apologize in the most you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00533-00128891-00129263 and so if am I looking at this right or eHdFGFcr_Xu-00534-00129264-00129449 am I miss again missing something really eHdFGFcr_Xu-00535-00129450-00129658 obvious because I think wow if the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00536-00129659-00129904 conditions are such that you have to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00537-00129905-00130164 have this this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00538-00130165-00130534 overriding you know policy or you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00539-00130535-00130781 you have to band together to get it my eHdFGFcr_Xu-00540-00130782-00131027 first question is why don't you leave eHdFGFcr_Xu-00541-00131028-00131345 why why get the if it's so bad why take eHdFGFcr_Xu-00542-00131346-00131513 it in the first place so let you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00543-00131514-00131885 and and I will I I think eHdFGFcr_Xu-00544-00131886-00132178 if you're a rail worker that's all you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00545-00132179-00132425 know maybe jobs are limited in your area eHdFGFcr_Xu-00546-00132426-00132751 you may feel locked into that role I I I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00547-00132752-00132989 think right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00548-00132990-00133187 is that is well let's just let me stop eHdFGFcr_Xu-00549-00133188-00133361 there and ask you is that sort of the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00550-00133362-00133540 the basis for why they deem this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00551-00133541-00133693 necessary in the first place rather than eHdFGFcr_Xu-00552-00133694-00133961 just leave go somewhere else don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00553-00133962-00134225 remain in that bad situation where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00554-00134226-00134495 you need this third you know hearty sort eHdFGFcr_Xu-00555-00134496-00134831 of groups to step in so I see where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00556-00134832-00135011 you're getting at and I agree with you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00557-00135012-00135287 Pete if more people win the freelance eHdFGFcr_Xu-00558-00135288-00135569 route we won't need unions eHdFGFcr_Xu-00559-00135570-00135851 you're right we we we because they will eHdFGFcr_Xu-00560-00135852-00136019 be in charge of them right people will eHdFGFcr_Xu-00561-00136020-00136163 be in charge of their own destiny when eHdFGFcr_Xu-00562-00136164-00136414 it comes to that the reason I don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00563-00136415-00136643 think that would ever happen is because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00564-00136644-00136937 there's a specific hunger that it takes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00565-00136938-00137189 for you to be an entrepreneur and a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00566-00137190-00137290 freelancer that I don't think eHdFGFcr_Xu-00567-00137291-00137483 everybody's cut out for and the reason eHdFGFcr_Xu-00568-00137484-00137777 people stick to with Union life and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00569-00137778-00138016 Union mentality a again is how they grow eHdFGFcr_Xu-00570-00138017-00138214 up and B is easy eHdFGFcr_Xu-00571-00138215-00138533 is easy you go in you clock in five eHdFGFcr_Xu-00572-00138534-00138863 eight at eight a.m you clock out at 5 PM eHdFGFcr_Xu-00573-00138864-00139240 the contract specifically dictates what eHdFGFcr_Xu-00574-00139241-00139504 your job is like no if ands or but you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00575-00139505-00139673 go in you do that for 30 years and you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00576-00139674-00139793 get a pension eHdFGFcr_Xu-00577-00139794-00140135 right that that unions are made now eHdFGFcr_Xu-00578-00140136-00140519 these days 2022 for people who will like eHdFGFcr_Xu-00579-00140520-00140764 to keep that status quo of a career and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00580-00140765-00140969 there's nothing wrong with that there is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00581-00140970-00141149 nothing wrong with that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00582-00141150-00141352 um but what you're saying from a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00583-00141353-00141557 freelance perspective I agree with you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00584-00141558-00141790 that if more people that that we would eHdFGFcr_Xu-00585-00141791-00142025 need less unions but I don't think eHdFGFcr_Xu-00586-00142026-00142264 that's going to happen just because how eHdFGFcr_Xu-00587-00142265-00142577 easy Union makes work for some people eHdFGFcr_Xu-00588-00142578-00142757 I'll give you a great example great eHdFGFcr_Xu-00589-00142758-00142990 example why I don't like unions right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00590-00142991-00143207 um and and this is the most basic eHdFGFcr_Xu-00591-00143208-00143471 example it can come up with eHdFGFcr_Xu-00592-00143472-00143687 um let's say we have a company and my eHdFGFcr_Xu-00593-00143688-00144059 job Pete is to turn a knob 20 times an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00594-00144060-00144311 hour that's my job turn the knob 20 eHdFGFcr_Xu-00595-00144312-00144587 times an hour turn turn turn turn turn eHdFGFcr_Xu-00596-00144588-00144952 in a unit environment it says I turned eHdFGFcr_Xu-00597-00144953-00145139 the knob 20 times an hour and that's it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00598-00145140-00145457 what happens if I stop at 45 minutes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00599-00145458-00145661 I wait until the hour is done eHdFGFcr_Xu-00600-00145662-00145835 because that's what the contract says eHdFGFcr_Xu-00601-00145836-00146069 the contract says I'm not to work above eHdFGFcr_Xu-00602-00146070-00146278 and beyond that versus the same eHdFGFcr_Xu-00603-00146279-00146566 situation in a non-unionized environment eHdFGFcr_Xu-00604-00146567-00146819 the boss says oh dude you finished that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00605-00146820-00147119 in 45 minutes let's see what you can do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00606-00147120-00147323 in an hour and they keep pushing those eHdFGFcr_Xu-00607-00147324-00147466 boundaries and pushing those boundaries eHdFGFcr_Xu-00608-00147467-00147773 a good boss however much more money this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00609-00147774-00147947 person makes above and beyond what they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00610-00147948-00148175 did against their colleagues will pay eHdFGFcr_Xu-00611-00148176-00148402 them more but the reasons units come eHdFGFcr_Xu-00612-00148403-00148552 into play is that they keep forcing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00613-00148553-00148709 these folks to work more and more and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00614-00148710-00148895 more and not get any of the extra eHdFGFcr_Xu-00615-00148896-00149116 profits and then boom units have to be eHdFGFcr_Xu-00616-00149117-00149357 there to keep everybody honest from that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00617-00149358-00149627 perspective man there's so much going on eHdFGFcr_Xu-00618-00149628-00149981 in that in that analogy eHdFGFcr_Xu-00619-00149982-00150163 because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00620-00150164-00150545 it's it's unhealthy in in a significant eHdFGFcr_Xu-00621-00150546-00150761 way and that's how I describe freelance eHdFGFcr_Xu-00622-00150762-00151001 relationships is is the most healthy eHdFGFcr_Xu-00623-00151002-00151414 form of of work that you can do where uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-00624-00151415-00151601 someone eHdFGFcr_Xu-00625-00151602-00151901 is choosing to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00626-00151902-00152273 um to trade their time and expertise and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00627-00152274-00152423 labor eHdFGFcr_Xu-00628-00152424-00152621 um for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00629-00152622-00152951 income right or whatever they might they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00630-00152952-00153119 might do an exchange right so for a wage eHdFGFcr_Xu-00631-00153120-00153316 and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00632-00153317-00153466 on the other side you have an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00633-00153467-00153785 organization putting a value on that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00634-00153786-00154007 time expertise and labor that they need eHdFGFcr_Xu-00635-00154008-00154397 and and offering that and and if they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00636-00154398-00154631 um is someone willing to take it you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00637-00154632-00154925 know even at scale right I'm talking eHdFGFcr_Xu-00638-00154926-00155147 about this as if it's one at a time but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00639-00155148-00155333 really that that's what it is because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00640-00155334-00155602 what you are describing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00641-00155603-00156178 is demoralizing in to in the opposite of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00642-00156179-00156509 what I think this this idea of dignity eHdFGFcr_Xu-00643-00156510-00156785 and respect is you know for another eHdFGFcr_Xu-00644-00156786-00157126 person I mean I'm trying to find why the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00645-00157127-00157493 workers you know you feel that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00646-00157494-00157757 this is in their best interest eHdFGFcr_Xu-00647-00157758-00157949 um once again it seems like just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00648-00157950-00158326 treating it as a team sport and I don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00649-00158327-00158464 I'm really struggling with that it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00650-00158465-00158626 sounds like one step above indentured eHdFGFcr_Xu-00651-00158627-00158945 servitude and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00652-00158946-00159340 you're locking someone in to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00653-00159341-00159461 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00654-00159462-00159671 to something that where if what you're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00655-00159672-00159989 you're saying is what I have heard in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00656-00159990-00160252 the past I think about eHdFGFcr_Xu-00657-00160253-00160457 um unions is that whether you do your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00658-00160458-00160607 best whether you do your worst as long eHdFGFcr_Xu-00659-00160608-00160895 as you're checking the boxes so your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00660-00160896-00161063 your income is going to remain the same eHdFGFcr_Xu-00661-00161064-00161266 your job will remain intact and and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00662-00161267-00161651 that's it which is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00663-00161652-00161926 which is not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00664-00161927-00162190 which is not healthy it works so far eHdFGFcr_Xu-00665-00162191-00162454 it's not working now it's it's not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00666-00162455-00162593 working now historically Union eHdFGFcr_Xu-00667-00162594-00162749 memberships have been dropping year over eHdFGFcr_Xu-00668-00162750-00163019 year so over here put the rail workers eHdFGFcr_Xu-00669-00163020-00163302 aside for a second because I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00670-00163303-00163552 say for the last time the caveat that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00671-00163553-00163685 there are clearly things that I don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00672-00163686-00163978 understand at work with that no no pun eHdFGFcr_Xu-00673-00163979-00164189 intended there but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00674-00164190-00164519 looking at these Starbucks employees who eHdFGFcr_Xu-00675-00164520-00164813 have if you are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00676-00164814-00164921 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00677-00164922-00165083 it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00678-00165084-00165389 eligible capable qualified to be hired eHdFGFcr_Xu-00679-00165390-00165516 at Starbucks eHdFGFcr_Xu-00680-00165517-00165737 there's very good chance you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00681-00165738-00165971 Starbucks is not putting eHdFGFcr_Xu-00682-00165972-00166271 um their uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-00683-00166272-00166475 the restaurants some of their their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00684-00166476-00166607 coffee shops whatever I mean they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00685-00166608-00166840 they're fast casual I don't know they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00686-00166841-00167075 not putting their stores in desolate eHdFGFcr_Xu-00687-00167076-00167257 areas right they're not they're so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00688-00167258-00167489 presumably there are other jobs you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00689-00167490-00167663 could you could take eHdFGFcr_Xu-00690-00167664-00167957 right so if Starbucks isn't satisfactory eHdFGFcr_Xu-00691-00167958-00168190 if they're not offering you as an as an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00692-00168191-00168521 employee what you um you know deem eHdFGFcr_Xu-00693-00168522-00168743 necessary uh for you to be happy and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00694-00168744-00168893 satisfied eHdFGFcr_Xu-00695-00168894-00169247 why would you fight that system eHdFGFcr_Xu-00696-00169248-00169511 instead of walking away eHdFGFcr_Xu-00697-00169512-00169757 and finding a better job now if there's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00698-00169758-00170033 a if there's this the concept of greater eHdFGFcr_Xu-00699-00170034-00170207 good at work you know where someone's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00700-00170208-00170447 like I'm going to help my brothers and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00701-00170448-00170681 sisters and and you know and fight this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00702-00170682-00170759 together eHdFGFcr_Xu-00703-00170760-00170963 okay that's a noble thing I mean I get eHdFGFcr_Xu-00704-00170964-00171221 it but as an individual eHdFGFcr_Xu-00705-00171222-00171461 why are you what just leave and if eHdFGFcr_Xu-00706-00171462-00171683 enough leaves whatever needed to change eHdFGFcr_Xu-00707-00171684-00171976 the Starbucks will change that I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00708-00171977-00172319 and I mean I can tell you why uh it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00709-00172320-00172625 it's now this is just my opinion nobody eHdFGFcr_Xu-00710-00172626-00172769 else's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00711-00172770-00172931 um if you Google somebody named Norma eHdFGFcr_Xu-00712-00172932-00173033 Ray eHdFGFcr_Xu-00713-00173034-00173213 she was instrumental back in the day eHdFGFcr_Xu-00714-00173214-00173459 back in the day for a unit because she eHdFGFcr_Xu-00715-00173460-00173783 stood up for people right and I think eHdFGFcr_Xu-00716-00173784-00174089 today these days the reason people don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00717-00174090-00174328 do that and they stick you know and they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00718-00174329-00174545 dig in is because they want to go down eHdFGFcr_Xu-00719-00174546-00174766 in history somehow in Union history they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00720-00174767-00174952 were the ones who organized Starbucks eHdFGFcr_Xu-00721-00174953-00175187 and they'll be known as the person who eHdFGFcr_Xu-00722-00175188-00175414 organized this organization that it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00723-00175415-00175552 more about recognition than anything eHdFGFcr_Xu-00724-00175553-00175763 else because it's really easy to leave eHdFGFcr_Xu-00725-00175764-00175937 Starbucks and go to Dunkin Donuts it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00726-00175938-00176104 really easy to eat Starbucks and go do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00727-00176105-00176393 something else I mean unless I just I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00728-00176394-00176561 with you I don't really understand the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00729-00176562-00176813 rationale about about eHdFGFcr_Xu-00730-00176814-00177016 um unionizing if they have that many eHdFGFcr_Xu-00731-00177017-00177173 concerns because you could easily go eHdFGFcr_Xu-00732-00177174-00177335 somewhere else like you couldn't do that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00733-00177336-00177611 80 plus years ago so it's got to be eHdFGFcr_Xu-00734-00177612-00177814 because of recognition I mean why else eHdFGFcr_Xu-00735-00177815-00178157 and then not not everybody wants to not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00736-00178158-00178421 everybody wants to lead the way when it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00737-00178422-00178649 comes to making a business profitable eHdFGFcr_Xu-00738-00178650-00178804 these are folks that really go in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00739-00178805-00178978 thinking I'm gonna go to work and I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00740-00178979-00179135 going to stick it to to the man and I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00741-00179136-00179261 going to get my benefits and then go eHdFGFcr_Xu-00742-00179262-00179333 home eHdFGFcr_Xu-00743-00179334-00179609 that's the mentality right now I'm over eHdFGFcr_Xu-00744-00179610-00179902 I'm painting everybody with a bra brush eHdFGFcr_Xu-00745-00179903-00180076 because there are some organizations eHdFGFcr_Xu-00746-00180077-00180263 that need to be unionized because they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00747-00180264-00180547 are treating their workers unfair right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00748-00180548-00180869 I'm sorry give me an example eHdFGFcr_Xu-00749-00180870-00181114 um let me I'll give you one example eHdFGFcr_Xu-00750-00181115-00181276 um there's just one or I don't know if I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00751-00181277-00181481 can mention it now there's this one eHdFGFcr_Xu-00752-00181482-00181721 organization that actually I'm not I'll eHdFGFcr_Xu-00753-00181722-00181871 tell you afterwards this is one eHdFGFcr_Xu-00754-00181872-00182147 organization that I do know of that how eHdFGFcr_Xu-00755-00182148-00182278 they treat their employees are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00756-00182279-00182704 absolutely horrible is a it's a it's a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00757-00182705-00183023 um uh a a call center operation and what eHdFGFcr_Xu-00758-00183024-00183251 they do is they have P they don't have a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00759-00183252-00183563 schedule they have people come to work eHdFGFcr_Xu-00760-00183564-00183790 and out of the hundred people that show eHdFGFcr_Xu-00761-00183791-00184049 up to work only the top 25 people get to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00762-00184050-00184264 stay to work for the day and nobody eHdFGFcr_Xu-00763-00184265-00184475 knows who the top 25 are because they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00764-00184476-00184702 don't share the numbers from yesterday eHdFGFcr_Xu-00765-00184703-00185093 people still show up Pete 75 go home eHdFGFcr_Xu-00766-00185094-00185314 because they know nothing else they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00767-00185315-00185507 don't know any better they think that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00768-00185508-00185764 how that job runs one of them went to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00769-00185765-00185999 the union hall the union hall went over eHdFGFcr_Xu-00770-00186000-00186209 and now they're in the process of being eHdFGFcr_Xu-00771-00186210-00186376 unionized eHdFGFcr_Xu-00772-00186377-00186569 so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00773-00186570-00186754 people don't know better you'd be eHdFGFcr_Xu-00774-00186755-00186976 surprised hold on I'm more than eHdFGFcr_Xu-00775-00186977-00187140 surprised eHdFGFcr_Xu-00776-00187141-00187409 some people not all some people because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00777-00187410-00187654 people still show up but I get it I get eHdFGFcr_Xu-00778-00187655-00187852 it in the past right where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00779-00187853-00188219 if this was last year huh this was last eHdFGFcr_Xu-00780-00188220-00188411 year okay but we're we're having record eHdFGFcr_Xu-00781-00188412-00188807 unemployment right now 3.9 as we said 6 eHdFGFcr_Xu-00782-00188808-00189131 million job Seekers for 10.3 million eHdFGFcr_Xu-00783-00189132-00189425 jobs no one that has to put up with that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00784-00189426-00189719 any anything remotely close to it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00785-00189720-00189887 so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00786-00189888-00190009 it is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00787-00190010-00190361 extraordinary is it if they do make the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00788-00190362-00190528 cut for the day there has to be some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00789-00190529-00190702 overriding reason eHdFGFcr_Xu-00790-00190703-00190973 why someone would tolerate that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00791-00190974-00191188 it's I I think eHdFGFcr_Xu-00792-00191189-00191521 I honestly think you are underestimating eHdFGFcr_Xu-00793-00191522-00191771 how many people don't follow those eHdFGFcr_Xu-00794-00191772-00191921 numbers eHdFGFcr_Xu-00795-00191922-00192185 they don't follow them I've seen so many eHdFGFcr_Xu-00796-00192186-00192388 people who because you you follow those eHdFGFcr_Xu-00797-00192389-00192538 numbers to the t is so do I that's our eHdFGFcr_Xu-00798-00192539-00192833 job I want to know what unemployment is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00799-00192834-00193019 you've got people out there that are eHdFGFcr_Xu-00800-00193020-00193211 working P that have no idea what eHdFGFcr_Xu-00801-00193212-00193421 unemployment is have no idea what's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00802-00193422-00193583 happening they just want to go to work eHdFGFcr_Xu-00803-00193584-00193828 do what they need to do and go home the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00804-00193829-00193990 fact that that business is still open eHdFGFcr_Xu-00805-00193991-00194225 operating the way that it is about to be eHdFGFcr_Xu-00806-00194226-00194447 unionized it's a baffling man it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00807-00194448-00194693 baffling but people still do it and the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00808-00194694-00194825 reason I know this because I used to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00809-00194826-00195016 recruit for them actually I think I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00810-00195017-00195154 think I told you because this I can tell eHdFGFcr_Xu-00811-00195155-00195233 you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00812-00195234-00195352 um when I work for see or some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00813-00195353-00195533 improvement I used to go to this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00814-00195534-00195761 organization's parking lot and put a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00815-00195762-00196013 flyers on their uh on their windshields eHdFGFcr_Xu-00816-00196014-00196216 telling them like look we give your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00817-00196217-00196393 schedule eHdFGFcr_Xu-00818-00196394-00196631 you don't have to go home if you're the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00819-00196632-00196799 bottom 75 percent eHdFGFcr_Xu-00820-00196800-00197051 that that's insane I I don't know yeah eHdFGFcr_Xu-00821-00197052-00197321 yeah I you know I probably should have I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00822-00197322-00197416 should have done a little more research eHdFGFcr_Xu-00823-00197417-00197599 before bringing this up on the Fly today eHdFGFcr_Xu-00824-00197600-00197807 uh because eHdFGFcr_Xu-00825-00197808-00198190 these tweets just stood out at me it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00826-00198191-00198526 said yeah it'd be and the other pieces eHdFGFcr_Xu-00827-00198527-00199073 back at the freelance conversation I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00828-00199074-00199469 there's a very strong feeling among eHdFGFcr_Xu-00829-00199470-00199733 many workers I may I may say most who eHdFGFcr_Xu-00830-00199734-00200093 who are employees of very just just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00831-00200094-00200326 general employees somewhere eHdFGFcr_Xu-00832-00200327-00200476 and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00833-00200477-00200813 the the the feeling that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00834-00200814-00201281 employers should be obligated to provide eHdFGFcr_Xu-00835-00201282-00201628 things beyond the scope of the of the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00836-00201629-00201911 job right Beyond do this job for this eHdFGFcr_Xu-00837-00201912-00202175 wage do is there an agreement to do that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00838-00202176-00202493 to both parties um you'll want to enter eHdFGFcr_Xu-00839-00202494-00202685 into that agreement if so yes eHdFGFcr_Xu-00840-00202686-00203111 so in benefits I I'm of the mindset that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00841-00203112-00203440 um MD employees would win if companies eHdFGFcr_Xu-00842-00203441-00203711 weren't beholden to so many um things eHdFGFcr_Xu-00843-00203712-00203893 that the government eHdFGFcr_Xu-00844-00203894-00204281 impresses upon employers for providing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00845-00204282-00204502 where they can instead put the money in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00846-00204503-00204652 the employees pocket and let the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00847-00204653-00204827 employee choose so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00848-00204828-00205096 when we talk about they'll just just eHdFGFcr_Xu-00849-00205098-00205355 focus on sick days since that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00850-00205356-00205679 pertinent here eHdFGFcr_Xu-00851-00205680-00205942 Bernie Sanders others many others maybe eHdFGFcr_Xu-00852-00205944-00206260 most others would say it's I mean some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00853-00206261-00206405 of the replies are the tweaks I looked eHdFGFcr_Xu-00854-00206406-00206573 at them you know it's crazy that in a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00855-00206573-00206890 modern society and employers are you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00856-00206891-00207125 don't have to do this in in the US in eHdFGFcr_Xu-00857-00207126-00207382 particular like what a backwards place eHdFGFcr_Xu-00858-00207383-00207640 meanwhile eHdFGFcr_Xu-00859-00207641-00207982 I'm thinking though in many ways the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00860-00207983-00208103 opposite eHdFGFcr_Xu-00861-00208104-00208234 where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00862-00208235-00208601 let me pay you on the front end and and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00863-00208602-00208894 you have the ability to like as an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00864-00208896-00209105 employer eHdFGFcr_Xu-00865-00209106-00209296 you I think the money's coming from eHdFGFcr_Xu-00866-00209298-00209392 somewhere eHdFGFcr_Xu-00867-00209394-00209632 right it's less on the front and so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00868-00209633-00209848 again if we're treating it like a team eHdFGFcr_Xu-00869-00209850-00209951 sport eHdFGFcr_Xu-00870-00209952-00210184 this is this is what you'd end up with eHdFGFcr_Xu-00871-00210185-00210407 where but if you're treating it like an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00872-00210408-00210658 individual sport where Ricky I'm going eHdFGFcr_Xu-00873-00210659-00210905 to pay you what what you're willing to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00874-00210906-00211163 work for what we agree is is you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-00875-00211164-00211348 it's it's it's good value to me it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00876-00211350-00211529 good value to you however we determine eHdFGFcr_Xu-00877-00211530-00211834 it right that is a very personal and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00878-00211835-00212117 individual thing and then you live your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00879-00212117-00212387 life accordingly but once I'm obligated eHdFGFcr_Xu-00880-00212388-00212584 to do things for you when you're not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00881-00212585-00212813 working well then I'm taking it from eHdFGFcr_Xu-00882-00212814-00213082 someone else yep right and that's how I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00883-00213083-00213358 that's how I see it it's not to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00884-00213359-00213556 shortchange you as the employee quite eHdFGFcr_Xu-00885-00213557-00213779 the opposite it's giving you everything eHdFGFcr_Xu-00886-00213780-00214060 you've earned and deserved and not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00887-00214061-00214319 sharing in in in the pot eHdFGFcr_Xu-00888-00214319-00214751 oh so to speak so why do you think that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00889-00214752-00214925 is not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00890-00214926-00215231 looked at that way because I did I want eHdFGFcr_Xu-00891-00215232-00215465 to be the advocate of freelance I think eHdFGFcr_Xu-00892-00215466-00215651 it would eHdFGFcr_Xu-00893-00215652-00215944 I think it is the most healthy way to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00894-00215946-00216160 have a relationship for work that needs eHdFGFcr_Xu-00895-00216161-00216256 to be done eHdFGFcr_Xu-00896-00216257-00216503 why do you think that's such a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00897-00216504-00216623 I don't know that we're ever going to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00898-00216623-00216784 get past this heart because we're so far eHdFGFcr_Xu-00899-00216785-00217056 from that being a prevalent thought eHdFGFcr_Xu-00900-00217057-00217331 so I I again I can only give you my eHdFGFcr_Xu-00901-00217332-00217487 opinion based on my experience with it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00902-00217488-00217775 and my opinion is Pete is that you've eHdFGFcr_Xu-00903-00217776-00218117 got in in the workplace you have all eHdFGFcr_Xu-00904-00218117-00218284 kinds of people everywhere from your eHdFGFcr_Xu-00905-00218285-00218489 rock stars that move mountains free for eHdFGFcr_Xu-00906-00218490-00218765 the cause and actually do for the people eHdFGFcr_Xu-00907-00218766-00218956 who just do their job eHdFGFcr_Xu-00908-00218957-00219263 right and if organizations want to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00909-00219264-00219605 appease to everybody right it's not not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00910-00219606-00219767 just these for us because if you only eHdFGFcr_Xu-00911-00219767-00219965 appease at the top 10 percent eHdFGFcr_Xu-00912-00219966-00220127 like Elon is doing you're gonna have to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00913-00220128-00220348 figure out how to work how how to how to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00914-00220350-00220577 run the business with the top 10 only eHdFGFcr_Xu-00915-00220578-00220798 right but you are going to need some eHdFGFcr_Xu-00916-00220800-00220967 people that do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00917-00220967-00221303 their job and not nothing more and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00918-00221304-00221681 nothing below right so if thus if that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00919-00221682-00221998 your middle 70 of your folks top ten eHdFGFcr_Xu-00920-00222000-00222263 percent middle 70 bottom 20 you get rid eHdFGFcr_Xu-00921-00222264-00222503 of the bottom 20. top 10 percent guess eHdFGFcr_Xu-00922-00222504-00222641 most of the money the middle seventy eHdFGFcr_Xu-00923-00222642-00222965 percent if you do something as an eHdFGFcr_Xu-00924-00222966-00223139 organization that takes away what they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00925-00223140-00223313 find valuable what are you going to do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00926-00223314-00223487 as an organization to find the right eHdFGFcr_Xu-00927-00223488-00223673 talent for you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00928-00223673-00224008 so to me it's appeasing the folks it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00929-00224009-00224255 appeasing everybody in the bucket again eHdFGFcr_Xu-00930-00224256-00224405 that's just I'm just pulling that out of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00931-00224406-00224615 the air based on my experience same eHdFGFcr_Xu-00932-00224616-00224777 thing goes with the fight for 15. I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00933-00224778-00224921 sure you've heard of the fight for 15 eHdFGFcr_Xu-00934-00224921-00225167 which has been the basis for restaurant eHdFGFcr_Xu-00935-00225167-00225413 um uh unions you know they're fighting eHdFGFcr_Xu-00936-00225414-00225748 for you know for a 15 an hour and I'm a eHdFGFcr_Xu-00937-00225750-00226001 big uh it's I I don't believe in that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00938-00226002-00226115 because I believe you should be paid eHdFGFcr_Xu-00939-00226116-00226253 where you're worth but at the same time eHdFGFcr_Xu-00940-00226254-00226541 there's some people who just because of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00941-00226542-00226829 their skill set or the mentality they eHdFGFcr_Xu-00942-00226830-00227098 cannot be paid what they're worth but eHdFGFcr_Xu-00943-00227100-00227321 they need at least a livable wage that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00944-00227321-00227494 not everybody but that's what I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-00945-00227496-00227710 assuming I think why things are the way eHdFGFcr_Xu-00946-00227711-00227860 they are today Pete eHdFGFcr_Xu-00947-00227861-00228089 yeah I don't I don't I don't know where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00948-00228090-00228317 this is going to ultimately end up eHdFGFcr_Xu-00949-00228317-00228598 because I get the argument don't get eHdFGFcr_Xu-00950-00228600-00228910 make no mistake but I think it's not eHdFGFcr_Xu-00951-00228911-00229210 looking at the bigger picture and you eHdFGFcr_Xu-00952-00229211-00229417 mentioned people don't pay attention to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00953-00229417-00229655 unemployment numbers and that sort of eHdFGFcr_Xu-00954-00229656-00229723 thing eHdFGFcr_Xu-00955-00229723-00230134 I am certain that most employees don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00956-00230135-00230458 realize what um what could be in their eHdFGFcr_Xu-00957-00230459-00230555 pocket eHdFGFcr_Xu-00958-00230556-00230987 as an employer what we often call uh the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00959-00230988-00231275 burden right which is an interesting eHdFGFcr_Xu-00960-00231276-00231491 phrase not my word eHdFGFcr_Xu-00961-00231492-00231875 um that is the the taxes and fees that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00962-00231876-00232031 go into eHdFGFcr_Xu-00963-00232032-00232313 um what an employer has to pay to to cut eHdFGFcr_Xu-00964-00232314-00232625 a paycheck to to an employee and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00965-00232626-00232932 uh is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00966-00232933-00233182 the things that are mandated by the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00967-00233183-00233363 government the things in the things that eHdFGFcr_Xu-00968-00233364-00233753 are just used as recruiting tools and eHdFGFcr_Xu-00969-00233754-00233944 and retention tools by employer eHdFGFcr_Xu-00970-00233946-00234082 employees eHdFGFcr_Xu-00971-00234083-00234406 it it also treats eHdFGFcr_Xu-00972-00234407-00234563 um the employee base for any eHdFGFcr_Xu-00973-00234564-00234755 organization is if it's a team sport I eHdFGFcr_Xu-00974-00234756-00234892 keep using that phrase because I can't eHdFGFcr_Xu-00975-00234894-00235048 think of a better one eHdFGFcr_Xu-00976-00235050-00235342 versus individual which is what which is eHdFGFcr_Xu-00977-00235344-00235534 what freelance does so eHdFGFcr_Xu-00978-00235535-00235906 I I don't um it's not my mission in life eHdFGFcr_Xu-00979-00235907-00236458 to have more uh to be a proponent of the eHdFGFcr_Xu-00980-00236459-00236627 freelance Market eHdFGFcr_Xu-00981-00236628-00236915 but I truly believe that it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-00982-00236916-00237106 a path to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00983-00237107-00237377 the much healthier relationship eHdFGFcr_Xu-00984-00237378-00237637 um between workers eHdFGFcr_Xu-00985-00237638-00237910 and though see I won't even call it eHdFGFcr_Xu-00986-00237911-00238079 employees and employers at that point eHdFGFcr_Xu-00987-00238080-00238403 because that has in many ways the wrong eHdFGFcr_Xu-00988-00238404-00238684 connotation to it where eHdFGFcr_Xu-00989-00238685-00238889 for example you're a freelancer who eHdFGFcr_Xu-00990-00238890-00239027 works with eHdFGFcr_Xu-00991-00239028-00239225 with four corner resources but you're eHdFGFcr_Xu-00992-00239226-00239501 not our employee I don't you know look eHdFGFcr_Xu-00993-00239502-00239819 we're from it and you you were used to eHdFGFcr_Xu-00994-00239819-00239981 be an employee of four corner resources eHdFGFcr_Xu-00995-00239982-00240298 and you know go ahead and say right now eHdFGFcr_Xu-00996-00240300-00240425 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-00997-00240426-00240701 which way do you feel you know better do eHdFGFcr_Xu-00998-00240702-00240803 you feel eHdFGFcr_Xu-00999-00240804-00241384 more respected and now that you are eHdFGFcr_Xu-01000-00241385-00241606 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01001-00241607-00241792 not an employee I mean hopefully he eHdFGFcr_Xu-01002-00241794-00241973 didn't feel disrespected before but I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01003-00241973-00242141 but I think it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-01004-00242142-00242356 no no with me it's got nothing to do eHdFGFcr_Xu-01005-00242357-00242555 with respect it's I don't feel eHdFGFcr_Xu-01006-00242556-00242741 disrespected either way I feel respected eHdFGFcr_Xu-01007-00242742-00242891 both ways eHdFGFcr_Xu-01008-00242892-00243094 um they each have their pros and compete eHdFGFcr_Xu-01009-00243096-00243365 right and and it's somebody who just eHdFGFcr_Xu-01010-00243366-00243551 flipped over and I was I was attended eHdFGFcr_Xu-01011-00243552-00243731 and I part-time for 10 years and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01012-00243732-00243863 somewhere in there I did it for nine eHdFGFcr_Xu-01013-00243864-00243989 months eHdFGFcr_Xu-01014-00243990-00244379 um and so the the con the pro obviously eHdFGFcr_Xu-01015-00244380-00244589 is you're in command of your of your eHdFGFcr_Xu-01016-00244590-00244865 calendar you are in control you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01017-00244866-00245098 literally are Your Own Boss depending on eHdFGFcr_Xu-01018-00245100-00245242 your leaders on your leadership skills eHdFGFcr_Xu-01019-00245244-00245405 that could be a very good thing or a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01020-00245406-00245782 very terrifying thing right and whereas eHdFGFcr_Xu-01021-00245783-00246082 on the 1099 employee somebody who's not eHdFGFcr_Xu-01022-00246083-00246287 telling a W-2 employee an actual eHdFGFcr_Xu-01023-00246288-00246425 employee who is for an organization eHdFGFcr_Xu-01024-00246426-00246617 where you know where that next paycheck eHdFGFcr_Xu-01025-00246617-00246844 is going to come from that safety eHdFGFcr_Xu-01026-00246846-00247144 doesn't exist in the 1099 world right in eHdFGFcr_Xu-01027-00247146-00247355 the 1099 world I actually have to go out eHdFGFcr_Xu-01028-00247356-00247475 and fish eHdFGFcr_Xu-01029-00247476-00247865 right whereas in a in a W-2 world I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-01030-00247866-00248110 already in the pond where I know they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-01031-00248111-00248267 fishes and I know where I'm going to eat eHdFGFcr_Xu-01032-00248267-00248542 every Friday really because eHdFGFcr_Xu-01033-00248544-00248765 um there were eHdFGFcr_Xu-01034-00248766-00249119 there's been how many layoffs um in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01035-00249119-00249515 in the well I mean yeah well eHdFGFcr_Xu-01036-00249516-00249719 but it's it's you're right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01037-00249719-00249941 but this is this is see this is my point eHdFGFcr_Xu-01038-00249942-00250223 we don't think of it in those terms but eHdFGFcr_Xu-01039-00250223-00250510 just because you are a W-2 employee eHdFGFcr_Xu-01040-00250511-00250673 there's no safety eHdFGFcr_Xu-01041-00250673-00250960 associated with that and you know I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01042-00250961-00251303 think we've had 170 000 Tech workers eHdFGFcr_Xu-01043-00251304-00251555 companies people laid off from tech eHdFGFcr_Xu-01044-00251556-00251741 companies that they're not necessarily eHdFGFcr_Xu-01045-00251742-00251956 technical employees those are the ones eHdFGFcr_Xu-01046-00251957-00252131 who've kept their jobs probably just eHdFGFcr_Xu-01047-00252132-00252377 incidentally but it proves the point eHdFGFcr_Xu-01048-00252378-00252610 though right Pete because s w to employ eHdFGFcr_Xu-01049-00252611-00252863 I don't have control over that right yes eHdFGFcr_Xu-01050-00252864-00253108 attend that in an employee I do so you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01051-00253109-00253306 don't right so there is it's a false eHdFGFcr_Xu-01052-00253307-00253505 sense of security yes it is where I'm eHdFGFcr_Xu-01053-00253506-00253763 going so when we say pros and cons and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01054-00253764-00253973 we can explore this in another another eHdFGFcr_Xu-01055-00253973-00254242 show because eHdFGFcr_Xu-01056-00254244-00254567 they're um I think they're perceived eHdFGFcr_Xu-01057-00254567-00254848 Pros more often than not eHdFGFcr_Xu-01058-00254850-00255125 is it there's a security I know I know eHdFGFcr_Xu-01059-00255126-00255377 the employer has my back eHdFGFcr_Xu-01060-00255378-00255677 or you know takes care of me and my eHdFGFcr_Xu-01061-00255678-00255869 needs to some level right and that's the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01062-00255869-00256108 feeling that I think oh no no no don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-01063-00256109-00256289 you don't want to rely on an employer eHdFGFcr_Xu-01064-00256290-00256703 for that because when times change eHdFGFcr_Xu-01065-00256704-00256996 or the tide changes eHdFGFcr_Xu-01066-00256998-00257260 that what that perceived security is eHdFGFcr_Xu-01067-00257261-00257453 going to work against you when you're an eHdFGFcr_Xu-01068-00257454-00257639 independent contractor eHdFGFcr_Xu-01069-00257640-00257851 where you approach your your eHdFGFcr_Xu-01070-00257852-00258160 professional life that way you know that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01071-00258161-00258365 you have to take care of yourself right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01072-00258366-00258719 when you're a W-2 employee all these all eHdFGFcr_Xu-01073-00258719-00258977 the employees at Facebook and Twitter eHdFGFcr_Xu-01074-00258978-00259108 um and all the other tech companies eHdFGFcr_Xu-01075-00259109-00259294 recently have been laid off they just eHdFGFcr_Xu-01076-00259296-00259487 thought they were being taken care of eHdFGFcr_Xu-01077-00259488-00259805 until they weren't and so I think it's eHdFGFcr_Xu-01078-00259806-00260129 it's it doesn't eHdFGFcr_Xu-01079-00260130-00260296 there's there's potential for it to do eHdFGFcr_Xu-01080-00260298-00260429 more harm than good eHdFGFcr_Xu-01081-00260430-00260705 that's I'm with you I'm with you and and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01082-00260706-00260927 and I I think I said that wrong then eHdFGFcr_Xu-01083-00260928-00261221 right because yes as a 1099 employee or eHdFGFcr_Xu-01084-00261221-00261460 attended in a contractor yeah I have to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01085-00261461-00261713 go fishing but I have the capabilities eHdFGFcr_Xu-01086-00261714-00262001 to do so right and it's up to me if I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01087-00262002-00262163 don't eat this Friday it's nobody's eHdFGFcr_Xu-01088-00262164-00262451 fault but mine if I do eat this Friday eHdFGFcr_Xu-01089-00262452-00262667 it's nobody's fault but mine right right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01090-00262668-00263015 versus as a W-2 employee I could do eHdFGFcr_Xu-01091-00263016-00263201 everything I want in the world there are eHdFGFcr_Xu-01092-00263202-00263405 people right now on Facebook being laid eHdFGFcr_Xu-01093-00263406-00263753 off who are rock star workers eHdFGFcr_Xu-01094-00263754-00263999 sure yeah of course because of course eHdFGFcr_Xu-01095-00264000-00264323 and now they have to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01096-00264324-00264521 as long as they anticipated the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01097-00264522-00264730 possibility of that or even the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01098-00264731-00265091 probability of that then fine right but eHdFGFcr_Xu-01099-00265092-00265319 it's those who didn't because there's a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01100-00265320-00265477 false sense of security eHdFGFcr_Xu-01101-00265478-00265769 and I will say if you eat Zaxby's tater eHdFGFcr_Xu-01102-00265770-00266021 tots nobody's fault but yours but the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01103-00266022-00266219 the I had to get that out before I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01104-00266220-00266675 missed the window but um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01105-00266676-00266917 so that that false sense of security eHdFGFcr_Xu-01106-00266918-00267191 ultimately works against them is is my eHdFGFcr_Xu-01107-00267192-00267334 concern eHdFGFcr_Xu-01108-00267335-00267569 yeah this isn't so nothing I'm saying is eHdFGFcr_Xu-01109-00267570-00267832 from the employer's perspective I I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01110-00267833-00268049 don't I'm not I'm looking to shift the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01111-00268050-00268349 dollars not save the dollars that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01112-00268350-00268708 employers pay for benefits eHdFGFcr_Xu-01113-00268709-00269075 um that are shared by the greater good eHdFGFcr_Xu-01114-00269076-00269297 and let eHdFGFcr_Xu-01115-00269298-00269477 everyone eHdFGFcr_Xu-01116-00269478-00269782 benefit from their own efforts right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01117-00269783-00269963 equally because when you start putting eHdFGFcr_Xu-01118-00269964-00270106 that burden eHdFGFcr_Xu-01119-00270107-00270305 excessive burden on employers or they eHdFGFcr_Xu-01120-00270306-00270503 take it upon themselves as you can see eHdFGFcr_Xu-01121-00270504-00270851 like some of the stuff at Twitter eHdFGFcr_Xu-01122-00270852-00271199 um with with just the overage that was eHdFGFcr_Xu-01123-00271200-00271330 there well the numbers just don't work eHdFGFcr_Xu-01124-00271331-00271589 and so it's going to it's going to not eHdFGFcr_Xu-01125-00271590-00271834 end well where a freelancer who can set eHdFGFcr_Xu-01126-00271835-00272110 their own schedule and their rate and be eHdFGFcr_Xu-01127-00272111-00272356 paid what they're worth and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01128-00272357-00272471 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01129-00272472-00272705 every dollar that they earn they that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01130-00272706-00272908 goes directly to them eHdFGFcr_Xu-01131-00272909-00273113 that's a win eHdFGFcr_Xu-01132-00273114-00273287 it's a win companies don't save money eHdFGFcr_Xu-01133-00273288-00273455 when they're hiring Freelancers in fact eHdFGFcr_Xu-01134-00273456-00273634 they probably end up paying more but eHdFGFcr_Xu-01135-00273635-00273808 they get more for it so everyone eHdFGFcr_Xu-01136-00273809-00274037 benefits I like how you put that you're eHdFGFcr_Xu-01137-00274038-00274241 not looking to we just said to save the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01138-00274242-00274493 dollar you look at the shift it right I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01139-00274494-00274708 like how you put in that because you're eHdFGFcr_Xu-01140-00274709-00274949 not focusing on just cutting costs at eHdFGFcr_Xu-01141-00274950-00275171 all costs you're looking for shifting eHdFGFcr_Xu-01142-00275172-00275417 resources to where they're better worked eHdFGFcr_Xu-01143-00275418-00275608 to where those resources are better eHdFGFcr_Xu-01144-00275609-00275830 acquired they're used better more eHdFGFcr_Xu-01145-00275831-00276137 efficiently that makes that I think that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01146-00276138-00276313 right there's the point of this episode eHdFGFcr_Xu-01147-00276314-00276617 seriously how do you shift that dollar eHdFGFcr_Xu-01148-00276618-00276965 right do you need unions to to do that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01149-00276966-00277175 some companies some eHdFGFcr_Xu-01150-00277176-00277360 but I'll tell you this for everybody out eHdFGFcr_Xu-01151-00277361-00277469 there listening eHdFGFcr_Xu-01152-00277470-00277787 if you are a leader of people honestly eHdFGFcr_Xu-01153-00277788-00278153 and you listen to what they say and you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01154-00278154-00278327 take care of them whether they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-01155-00278328-00278584 employees or contractors employees eHdFGFcr_Xu-01156-00278585-00278753 because contractors don't unionize eHdFGFcr_Xu-01157-00278754-00278891 whether they're employers are eHdFGFcr_Xu-01158-00278892-00279089 contractors if you take care of them and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01159-00279090-00279377 their values their their their what they eHdFGFcr_Xu-01160-00279378-00279682 value you value no Union would ever come eHdFGFcr_Xu-01161-00279683-00279941 into your office it's not gonna happen eHdFGFcr_Xu-01162-00279942-00280247 no you're you're absolutely correct eHdFGFcr_Xu-01163-00280248-00280589 um and I my Theory until proven eHdFGFcr_Xu-01164-00280590-00280793 otherwise is that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01165-00280794-00281039 the best way to show for someone to feel eHdFGFcr_Xu-01166-00281040-00281206 valued is to be treated as an individual eHdFGFcr_Xu-01167-00281207-00281747 yep and to be yes um yes paid in the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01168-00281748-00282073 case of compensation given you know uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-01169-00282074-00282319 in in the case of things that are eHdFGFcr_Xu-01170-00282320-00282671 non-comp related what they're worth and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01171-00282672-00283006 I don't think that's easy it may be eHdFGFcr_Xu-01172-00283007-00283313 impossible to do if it's if it's done eHdFGFcr_Xu-01173-00283314-00283463 based on the group eHdFGFcr_Xu-01174-00283464-00283853 versus the individual eHdFGFcr_Xu-01175-00283854-00284171 um that makes sense so I mean here's eHdFGFcr_Xu-01176-00284172-00284482 what I so if an employee is going to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01177-00284483-00284669 if employee makes fifty thousand dollars eHdFGFcr_Xu-01178-00284670-00284767 a year eHdFGFcr_Xu-01179-00284768-00285130 do you think most employees know and I I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01180-00285131-00285323 suspect not eHdFGFcr_Xu-01181-00285324-00285545 a W-2 employee eHdFGFcr_Xu-01182-00285546-00285779 when when you when you add in what what eHdFGFcr_Xu-01183-00285780-00285965 I consider to be the weighted cost of eHdFGFcr_Xu-01184-00285966-00286169 that which is what eHdFGFcr_Xu-01185-00286170-00286355 I mentioned burden before but Burton is eHdFGFcr_Xu-01186-00286356-00286558 really just taxes and payrolls and call eHdFGFcr_Xu-01187-00286559-00286787 that somewhere between Texas payroll eHdFGFcr_Xu-01188-00286788-00286973 fees call it somewhere between eHdFGFcr_Xu-01189-00286974-00287393 11 and and 20 depending on the state uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-01190-00287394-00287717 there were maybe 12 13 to 20 percent eHdFGFcr_Xu-01191-00287718-00287927 that's that's off the top that that's eHdFGFcr_Xu-01192-00287928-00288095 right out of the employees pocket so the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01193-00288096-00288251 employer pays it doesn't go to the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01194-00288252-00288503 employee it goes to the government right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01195-00288504-00288647 gone eHdFGFcr_Xu-01196-00288648-00288917 by you'll never get it back it's not eHdFGFcr_Xu-01197-00288918-00289127 coming back to you maybe incrementally eHdFGFcr_Xu-01198-00289128-00289282 but eHdFGFcr_Xu-01199-00289283-00289529 for the most part it's not and then you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01200-00289530-00289793 add have other benefits on top of that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01201-00289794-00290123 so for in in those very wildly you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-01202-00290124-00290303 from from the extreme to to minimal eHdFGFcr_Xu-01203-00290304-00290465 depending on the company eHdFGFcr_Xu-01204-00290466-00290705 so for the but on average I I tend to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01205-00290706-00290884 just rough math that always think if eHdFGFcr_Xu-01206-00290885-00291053 someone's getting paid 50 it's costing eHdFGFcr_Xu-01207-00291054-00291287 their employer 75 grand do you think eHdFGFcr_Xu-01208-00291288-00291565 that's close at 50 percent eHdFGFcr_Xu-01209-00291566-00291839 benefits That's not including benefits eHdFGFcr_Xu-01210-00291840-00292199 it is no oh God yes eHdFGFcr_Xu-01211-00292200-00292427 yes so do you think most employees eHdFGFcr_Xu-01212-00292428-00292643 advice with the choice eHdFGFcr_Xu-01213-00292644-00292763 all right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01214-00292764-00292913 Rick you're gonna do this job you're eHdFGFcr_Xu-01215-00292914-00293117 gonna do 40 hours a week here's you know eHdFGFcr_Xu-01216-00293118-00293345 we agree on what the work is great eHdFGFcr_Xu-01217-00293346-00293608 everyone's happy there do you want fifty eHdFGFcr_Xu-01218-00293609-00293855 thousand dollars and I'm gonna pay for eHdFGFcr_Xu-01219-00293856-00294058 all these other things including you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01220-00294059-00294305 know taxes and fees and or do you want eHdFGFcr_Xu-01221-00294306-00294593 75 000. eHdFGFcr_Xu-01222-00294594-00294803 I know you want a simple answer man but eHdFGFcr_Xu-01223-00294804-00294965 I can't give you and then what the 75 eHdFGFcr_Xu-01224-00294966-00295223 means you're you're only gonna get paid eHdFGFcr_Xu-01225-00295224-00295403 for when you're working yeah because eHdFGFcr_Xu-01226-00295404-00295571 that's what that's what I need of you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01227-00295572-00295756 right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01228-00295757-00295955 um that's what you're agreeing to to do eHdFGFcr_Xu-01229-00295956-00296129 that's the agreement but but with that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01230-00296130-00296465 extra 25 000 you you get to save it you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01231-00296466-00296687 get to prepare for if you're sick you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01232-00296688-00296867 get to prepare for when you want to take eHdFGFcr_Xu-01233-00296868-00297023 off take vacations and we're going to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01234-00297024-00297265 have much more flexibility as a result eHdFGFcr_Xu-01235-00297266-00297773 of that because you're not going to be eHdFGFcr_Xu-01236-00297774-00298013 tied to what I'm also obligating to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01237-00298014-00298351 everyone else only what what you get eHdFGFcr_Xu-01238-00298352-00298619 so since you put it that way you put eHdFGFcr_Xu-01239-00298620-00298780 numbers to numbers here's what's here's eHdFGFcr_Xu-01240-00298781-00298943 what anticipate is going to happen if we eHdFGFcr_Xu-01241-00298944-00299171 ever come to a life where that's a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01242-00299172-00299345 reality eHdFGFcr_Xu-01243-00299346-00299405 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01244-00299406-00299627 the smart people eHdFGFcr_Xu-01245-00299628-00299908 the smart employees who don't want the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01246-00299909-00300113 aggravation of running their business eHdFGFcr_Xu-01247-00300114-00300275 doing their own taxes are going to say eHdFGFcr_Xu-01248-00300276-00300449 no to that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01249-00300450-00300760 the smart people who want more freedom eHdFGFcr_Xu-01250-00300761-00301006 and they want more control they're going eHdFGFcr_Xu-01251-00301007-00301205 to say yes to that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01252-00301206-00301549 The Not So strategic people eHdFGFcr_Xu-01253-00301550-00301829 who see those numbers and like oh my God eHdFGFcr_Xu-01254-00301830-00302165 I want 25 000 more and don't understand eHdFGFcr_Xu-01255-00302166-00302393 what it means to be your own employer eHdFGFcr_Xu-01256-00302394-00302687 Your Own Boss they're gonna go with the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01257-00302688-00302951 with a bigger amount and fail eHdFGFcr_Xu-01258-00302952-00303113 that's what we haven't we haven't eHdFGFcr_Xu-01259-00303114-00303280 prepared eHdFGFcr_Xu-01260-00303281-00303515 people to operate under that we have eHdFGFcr_Xu-01261-00303516-00303666 under that yeah eHdFGFcr_Xu-01262-00303667-00303858 [Music] eHdFGFcr_Xu-01263-00303859-00304180 we tell people yeah we tell young people eHdFGFcr_Xu-01264-00304181-00304445 to focus on getting a job eHdFGFcr_Xu-01265-00304446-00304858 not no be no that no don't don't take eHdFGFcr_Xu-01266-00304859-00305032 that approach and we we always end up eHdFGFcr_Xu-01267-00305033-00305260 here and you know how strongly I feel eHdFGFcr_Xu-01268-00305261-00305549 about that I know you you agree too eHdFGFcr_Xu-01269-00305550-00305645 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01270-00305646-00305813 solving it's an entirely different eHdFGFcr_Xu-01271-00305814-00306010 challenge so maybe we'll tackle that one eHdFGFcr_Xu-01272-00306011-00306215 at a later date here's well I'll tell eHdFGFcr_Xu-01273-00306216-00306365 you how I'm going to throw in my two eHdFGFcr_Xu-01274-00306366-00306545 cents on solving this I grew up in an eHdFGFcr_Xu-01275-00306546-00306743 Arab heat where I was it was beaten into eHdFGFcr_Xu-01276-00306744-00306977 my head the only way I could succeed is eHdFGFcr_Xu-01277-00306978-00307108 not by being a plumber it's not about eHdFGFcr_Xu-01278-00307109-00307247 being an electrician it's by getting a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01279-00307248-00307475 four-year degree that turned out not to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01280-00307476-00307739 be true not a hundred percent true right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01281-00307740-00307960 because right now man you got those eHdFGFcr_Xu-01282-00307961-00308141 trade workers man that are making money eHdFGFcr_Xu-01283-00308142-00308308 hand over fists and I know a couple of eHdFGFcr_Xu-01284-00308309-00308453 them who I went to school with who went eHdFGFcr_Xu-01285-00308454-00308621 to trade school afterwards they're eHdFGFcr_Xu-01286-00308622-00308843 millionaires right now right so that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01287-00308844-00309077 turned out to be not the case eHdFGFcr_Xu-01288-00309078-00309317 um how I can combat this is how I raise eHdFGFcr_Xu-01289-00309318-00309503 my son I've got a nine-year-old right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01290-00309504-00309730 and he's got just what 10 more years eHdFGFcr_Xu-01291-00309731-00310013 before he gets out there and my lesson eHdFGFcr_Xu-01292-00310014-00310301 to him is going to be look do you want eHdFGFcr_Xu-01293-00310302-00310547 do you want to make money start a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01294-00310548-00310637 business eHdFGFcr_Xu-01295-00310638-00310943 Be Your Own Boss start a business you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01296-00310944-00311225 want to be a a lawyer you want to be a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01297-00311226-00311404 scientist yeah you are going to have to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01298-00311405-00311669 go to school for that right but if you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01299-00311670-00311956 want to make money and really really be eHdFGFcr_Xu-01300-00311957-00312137 in control you should start your own eHdFGFcr_Xu-01301-00312138-00312293 business and forget about this corporate eHdFGFcr_Xu-01302-00312294-00312617 nine to five and whatever he he he likes eHdFGFcr_Xu-01303-00312618-00312815 right because I'll tell him look if if eHdFGFcr_Xu-01304-00312816-00313043 he wants to be an electrician go ahead eHdFGFcr_Xu-01305-00313044-00313187 I'll help him with it right because eHdFGFcr_Xu-01306-00313188-00313343 that's that that's in demand right now eHdFGFcr_Xu-01307-00313344-00313613 along with a lot of other uh um uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-01308-00313614-00313799 trades out there so I think the best way eHdFGFcr_Xu-01309-00313800-00314104 I can combat that is to the person that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01310-00314105-00314291 I brought into this world or helped eHdFGFcr_Xu-01311-00314292-00314410 bring into this world that's another eHdFGFcr_Xu-01312-00314411-00314506 debate eHdFGFcr_Xu-01313-00314507-00314687 um I'm gonna go ahead and raise and to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01314-00314688-00314897 be a citizen to where he stand on his eHdFGFcr_Xu-01315-00314898-00315095 own two feet and then he makes his own eHdFGFcr_Xu-01316-00315096-00315239 decisions about his financial future eHdFGFcr_Xu-01317-00315240-00315406 yeah I think that's good that's really eHdFGFcr_Xu-01318-00315407-00315556 good advice I mean I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01319-00315557-00315773 I think eHdFGFcr_Xu-01320-00315774-00316067 I think there's a big there's a big eHdFGFcr_Xu-01321-00316068-00316451 curve ahead for us as a society if we eHdFGFcr_Xu-01322-00316452-00316799 can to figure out how to really eHdFGFcr_Xu-01323-00316800-00317080 Embrace that and help young people eHdFGFcr_Xu-01324-00317081-00317513 realize that that default path of going eHdFGFcr_Xu-01325-00317514-00317891 to college is is not eHdFGFcr_Xu-01326-00317892-00318251 required you know for for success and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01327-00318252-00318575 happiness and satisfaction and yeah the eHdFGFcr_Xu-01328-00318576-00318767 world doesn't really tell you that very eHdFGFcr_Xu-01329-00318768-00318977 often at least not here in our country eHdFGFcr_Xu-01330-00318978-00319306 uh and instead it's like stay in school eHdFGFcr_Xu-01331-00319307-00319625 well maybe all right maybe well I mean eHdFGFcr_Xu-01332-00319626-00319882 yeah it's it's well this is another eHdFGFcr_Xu-01333-00319883-00320069 episode the Department of Education was eHdFGFcr_Xu-01334-00320070-00320195 started by who eHdFGFcr_Xu-01335-00320196-00320645 right yeah okay that's another show eHdFGFcr_Xu-01336-00320646-00320951 so okay so Bernie thank you for eHdFGFcr_Xu-01337-00320952-00321197 providing the the content eHdFGFcr_Xu-01338-00321198-00321443 um for for today and your tweet I I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01339-00321444-00321599 don't think that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01340-00321600-00321832 is necessarily the path for eHdFGFcr_Xu-01341-00321833-00321910 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01342-00321911-00322349 for respect and uh and dignity that you eHdFGFcr_Xu-01343-00322350-00322595 want for for employees I I'm gonna think eHdFGFcr_Xu-01344-00322596-00322841 more about that because eHdFGFcr_Xu-01345-00322842-00322930 um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01346-00322931-00323171 it just eHdFGFcr_Xu-01347-00323172-00323345 I don't know how we reconcile it I don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-01348-00323346-00323645 know how we get from what seems to be eHdFGFcr_Xu-01349-00323646-00323830 a situation that no one's really happy eHdFGFcr_Xu-01350-00323831-00323915 about eHdFGFcr_Xu-01351-00323916-00324143 to one that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01352-00324144-00324299 um on the free you know in the union eHdFGFcr_Xu-01353-00324300-00324575 side because no one seems it just seems eHdFGFcr_Xu-01354-00324576-00324730 like a big fight and every time I hear eHdFGFcr_Xu-01355-00324731-00324977 Union the word Union because I'm in eHdFGFcr_Xu-01356-00324978-00325067 Florida eHdFGFcr_Xu-01357-00325068-00325349 it's always someone's fighting about it eHdFGFcr_Xu-01358-00325350-00325606 right yeah I don't hear anyone fighting eHdFGFcr_Xu-01359-00325607-00325877 in the freelance World Ricky I don't uh eHdFGFcr_Xu-01360-00325878-00326008 complaining eHdFGFcr_Xu-01361-00326009-00326206 right you have a lot of happy people on eHdFGFcr_Xu-01362-00326207-00326615 both sides that is true happy workers eHdFGFcr_Xu-01363-00326616-00326956 um happy world and that is something we eHdFGFcr_Xu-01364-00326957-00327341 need to keep um doing our part to uh um eHdFGFcr_Xu-01365-00327342-00327623 to perpetuate and to promote so we'll eHdFGFcr_Xu-01366-00327624-00327737 keep doing that eHdFGFcr_Xu-01367-00327738-00328025 absolutely and if Bernie Sanders ever eHdFGFcr_Xu-01368-00328026-00328199 becomes president it'd be interesting to eHdFGFcr_Xu-01369-00328200-00328439 see if who still calls him Bernie I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01370-00328440-00328534 don't think nobody's going to call him eHdFGFcr_Xu-01371-00328535-00328879 president Bernie eHdFGFcr_Xu-01372-00328880-00329273 hopefully uh I don't know he he can stay eHdFGFcr_Xu-01373-00329274-00329423 in his chair with his mittens and his eHdFGFcr_Xu-01374-00329424-00329813 arms folded and and tweet tweet uh tweet eHdFGFcr_Xu-01375-00329814-00329932 occasionally I think that's I think eHdFGFcr_Xu-01376-00329933-00330125 we're getting all we all we need out of eHdFGFcr_Xu-01377-00330126-00330269 Bernie hey Bernie what's your biggest eHdFGFcr_Xu-01378-00330270-00330437 accomplishment in your entire political eHdFGFcr_Xu-01379-00330438-00330804 career I was a meme eHdFGFcr_Xu-01380-00330805-00331049 yeah he's done a little more than that I eHdFGFcr_Xu-01381-00331050-00331241 think I know yeah I don't know I don't eHdFGFcr_Xu-01382-00331242-00331415 know I think I think the presidential eHdFGFcr_Xu-01383-00331416-00331673 ship has sailed on uh on that we won't eHdFGFcr_Xu-01384-00331674-00331834 get a chance I don't know I still think eHdFGFcr_Xu-01385-00331835-00332101 he's got it eHdFGFcr_Xu-01386-00332102-00332429 I love listening to him talk man it is a eHdFGFcr_Xu-01387-00332430-00332687 hilarious train wreck he's he's an angry eHdFGFcr_Xu-01388-00332688-00332932 dude that's for sure but um all right eHdFGFcr_Xu-01389-00332933-00333179 man well thanks so much as always eHdFGFcr_Xu-01390-00333180-00333382 um we will tackle another subject next eHdFGFcr_Xu-01391-00333383-00333599 week and uh have a great rest of day and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01392-00333600-00333767 thanks for listening have a good one eHdFGFcr_Xu-01393-00333768-00333971 folks remember eHdFGFcr_Xu-01394-00333972-00334247 check us out on your favorite podcast eHdFGFcr_Xu-01395-00334248-00334403 platform eHdFGFcr_Xu-01396-00334404-00334684 right Pete that's it all right yeah and eHdFGFcr_Xu-01397-00334685-00334919 and you can email us and anytime eHdFGFcr_Xu-01398-00334920-00335158 questions at um I'm sorry geez hire eHdFGFcr_Xu-01399-00335159-00335345 calling at four cornerresources.com eHdFGFcr_Xu-01400-00335346-00335506 higher calling at four eHdFGFcr_Xu-01401-00335507-00335656 cornerresource.com would love to hear eHdFGFcr_Xu-01402-00335657-00335819 from you and I think we have some eHdFGFcr_Xu-01403-00335820-00335956 questions that have piled up recently eHdFGFcr_Xu-01404-00335957-00336256 it's Ricky So q a next week let's do it eHdFGFcr_Xu-01405-00336257-00336545 we'll do that people you you you forgot eHdFGFcr_Xu-01406-00336546-00336647 there for a second are you being eHdFGFcr_Xu-01407-00336648-00336856 overworked you need Union representation eHdFGFcr_Xu-01408-00336857-00337180 let me know call my rap eHdFGFcr_Xu-01409-00337181-00337561 have a good one folks goodbye eHjQ-NNJw_u-00000-00000000-00001566 foreign eHjQ-NNJw_u-00001-00001567-00001891 [Music] eHlBLf4JHiE-00003-00009918-00010174 you know eHlBLf4JHiE-00004-00010175-00012952 available eHlBLf4JHiE-00007-00020208-00023080 foreign eHlBLf4JHiE-00008-00023081-00024257 foreign eHlBLf4JHiE-00010-00027438-00027802 on this day fortunately the world the eHlBLf4JHiE-00011-00027804-00027964 United Nations has declared the world eHlBLf4JHiE-00012-00027966-00028181 yoga day because the yoga began on that eHlBLf4JHiE-00013-00028182-00029974 day then eHlBLf4JHiE-00014-00029975-00030635 it is eHlBLf4JHiE-00016-00033978-00036545 foreign eHlBLf4JHiE-00017-00036546-00037079 foreign eHlBLf4JHiE-00019-00040974-00041274 foreign eJUsq03YaOA-00000-00000000-00000434 foreign eJUsq03YaOA-00001-00000436-00001219 [Music] eJUsq03YaOA-00002-00001220-00001535 I'm Luke so I'm with the ethereum eJUsq03YaOA-00003-00001536-00001684 foundation with the ecosystem Support eJUsq03YaOA-00004-00001685-00001913 Program which as Monet was saying it's eJUsq03YaOA-00005-00001914-00002057 ESP eJUsq03YaOA-00006-00002058-00002255 um I won't say ethereum I won't say the eJUsq03YaOA-00007-00002256-00002410 ecosystem Support Program again today eJUsq03YaOA-00008-00002411-00002645 it's just the ESP so we hope everyone eJUsq03YaOA-00009-00002646-00002908 can remember the acronym eJUsq03YaOA-00010-00002909-00003107 yeah so thank you for coming I'm going eJUsq03YaOA-00011-00003108-00003245 to spend some time just you know talking eJUsq03YaOA-00012-00003246-00003556 a bit about what ESP is uh what we do 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eJUsq03YaOA-00027-00007265-00007433 could have eJUsq03YaOA-00028-00007434-00007619 um you know we're not we're we're not eJUsq03YaOA-00029-00007620-00007877 here to kind of say what needs to be eJUsq03YaOA-00030-00007878-00008153 solved certainly not in most cases eJUsq03YaOA-00031-00008154-00008410 um we're just here to help guide and uh eJUsq03YaOA-00032-00008411-00008633 we really like to hear the feedback from eJUsq03YaOA-00033-00008634-00008981 from everyone in the ecosystem as to you eJUsq03YaOA-00034-00008982-00009101 know what are the problems that need to eJUsq03YaOA-00035-00009102-00009209 be solved eJUsq03YaOA-00036-00009210-00009364 um we might have some ideas but I'm sure eJUsq03YaOA-00037-00009365-00009539 everyone else has ideas as well and at eJUsq03YaOA-00038-00009540-00009683 the end of the day for ethereum to meet eJUsq03YaOA-00039-00009684-00009851 its objectives people need to start eJUsq03YaOA-00040-00009852-00010013 using it people need to start solving eJUsq03YaOA-00041-00010014-00010210 more problems uh so we can push it all eJUsq03YaOA-00042-00010211-00010642 forward eJUsq03YaOA-00043-00010643-00010937 so what do we support eJUsq03YaOA-00044-00010938-00011117 um you know generally speaking public eJUsq03YaOA-00045-00011118-00011296 goods you know we talk a lot about eJUsq03YaOA-00046-00011297-00011488 public goods I think there's there's eJUsq03YaOA-00047-00011489-00011681 often a lot of confusion as to when we eJUsq03YaOA-00048-00011682-00011867 say public goods what are we talking eJUsq03YaOA-00049-00011868-00012010 about eJUsq03YaOA-00050-00012011-00012209 um you know generally speaking what eJUsq03YaOA-00051-00012210-00012509 we're talking about is open source uh eJUsq03YaOA-00052-00012510-00012838 non-commercial available for everyone eJUsq03YaOA-00053-00012839-00013013 to build on eJUsq03YaOA-00054-00013013-00013307 um you know and positive some outcomes eJUsq03YaOA-00055-00013308-00013529 you know another way another way to look eJUsq03YaOA-00056-00013530-00013811 at you know maybe more specific or maybe eJUsq03YaOA-00057-00013812-00013933 more eJUsq03YaOA-00058-00013934-00014147 abstract depending on how you want to eJUsq03YaOA-00059-00014147-00014344 think about it is you know public goods eJUsq03YaOA-00060-00014345-00014543 they're not excludable they're non-rival eJUsq03YaOA-00061-00014544-00014761 risks that's the standard definition eJUsq03YaOA-00062-00014762-00015005 user cannot be prevented from accessing eJUsq03YaOA-00063-00015006-00015227 them for free and eJUsq03YaOA-00064-00015228-00015515 everyone can use them at the same time eJUsq03YaOA-00065-00015516-00015736 um so really you know when we when we're eJUsq03YaOA-00066-00015737-00015857 trying to build out public goods we're eJUsq03YaOA-00067-00015858-00016019 trying to build we're striving to build eJUsq03YaOA-00068-00016019-00016313 positive positive outcomes eJUsq03YaOA-00069-00016313-00016480 um and we need eJUsq03YaOA-00070-00016481-00016780 we need public goods that avoid the eJUsq03YaOA-00071-00016781-00017069 destructive scaling of web 2. so that eJUsq03YaOA-00072-00017070-00017339 that's that's the you know highest level eJUsq03YaOA-00073-00017340-00017591 of when we're evaluating a project the eJUsq03YaOA-00074-00017592-00017825 highest level consideration eJUsq03YaOA-00075-00017826-00018077 um eJUsq03YaOA-00076-00018078-00018358 yeah so this talk is going to be you eJUsq03YaOA-00077-00018359-00018569 know Thor talked this morning about uh eJUsq03YaOA-00078-00018570-00018797 you know some targeted Grant rounds eJUsq03YaOA-00079-00018798-00019055 which which the EF and ESP run eJUsq03YaOA-00080-00019056-00019186 periodically I'm not going to talk about eJUsq03YaOA-00081-00019187-00019349 those types of those types of eJUsq03YaOA-00082-00019350-00019535 opportunities specifically I'm going to eJUsq03YaOA-00083-00019536-00019805 be focusing more on just the the regular eJUsq03YaOA-00084-00019806-00020105 application process and kind of the more eJUsq03YaOA-00085-00020106-00020717 the more General uh ESP function eJUsq03YaOA-00086-00020718-00021214 so you know what are we looking for eJUsq03YaOA-00087-00021215-00021539 you know this is like the the general eJUsq03YaOA-00088-00021540-00021850 the general themes of projects we're eJUsq03YaOA-00089-00021851-00022091 looking for you know there's obviously eJUsq03YaOA-00090-00022092-00022247 nothing specific in here eJUsq03YaOA-00091-00022248-00022600 it's it's ideas that fit within this eJUsq03YaOA-00092-00022601-00022750 framework eJUsq03YaOA-00093-00022751-00022967 um eJUsq03YaOA-00094-00022968-00023219 right so again what we're looking for is eJUsq03YaOA-00095-00023220-00023435 it's at the infrastructure level we're eJUsq03YaOA-00096-00023436-00023591 looking for things that everybody can eJUsq03YaOA-00097-00023592-00023999 build upon and eJUsq03YaOA-00098-00024000-00024239 and yeah eJUsq03YaOA-00099-00024240-00024550 so eJUsq03YaOA-00100-00024551-00024839 jumping ahead the eJUsq03YaOA-00101-00024840-00024994 you know this is the mental model that eJUsq03YaOA-00102-00024995-00025157 I've created for myself eJUsq03YaOA-00103-00025158-00025553 um to help me understand eJUsq03YaOA-00104-00025554-00025811 to help me understand where we fit you eJUsq03YaOA-00105-00025812-00025978 know so I hope this slide confuses you eJUsq03YaOA-00106-00025979-00026237 as much as it potentially maybe asks eJUsq03YaOA-00107-00026238-00026531 helps you ask some questions as to what eJUsq03YaOA-00108-00026532-00026801 types of projects are we looking for eJUsq03YaOA-00109-00026802-00027089 um so the way I look at this is you know eJUsq03YaOA-00110-00027089-00027364 the the vertical axis here is how is how eJUsq03YaOA-00111-00027366-00027581 important is the development to eJUsq03YaOA-00112-00027582-00027935 ethereum the horizontal axis is you know eJUsq03YaOA-00113-00027936-00028168 how capable you know how motivated is eJUsq03YaOA-00114-00028169-00028390 the ecosystem to to implement something eJUsq03YaOA-00115-00028391-00028685 as well as as well as how much capacity eJUsq03YaOA-00116-00028686-00028924 do they have and is that is that funding eJUsq03YaOA-00117-00028925-00029224 capacity is that technical capability eJUsq03YaOA-00118-00029225-00029351 um you know it could it could be eJUsq03YaOA-00119-00029352-00029524 anything in between eJUsq03YaOA-00120-00029525-00029740 right so in the like in the in the top eJUsq03YaOA-00121-00029741-00029843 left eJUsq03YaOA-00122-00029844-00030095 uh you know you kind of have like the eJUsq03YaOA-00123-00030095-00030257 ethereum roadmap eJUsq03YaOA-00124-00030258-00030340 um eJUsq03YaOA-00125-00030341-00030496 really core development type of eJUsq03YaOA-00126-00030497-00030802 activities and research activities eJUsq03YaOA-00127-00030804-00031027 related to related to core development eJUsq03YaOA-00128-00031027-00031324 and you know that that's really eJUsq03YaOA-00129-00031325-00031493 those are really areas that I think the eJUsq03YaOA-00130-00031494-00031661 EF plays a really strong role in at eJUsq03YaOA-00131-00031662-00031901 least signaling signaling activities eJUsq03YaOA-00132-00031902-00032068 that need to be done eJUsq03YaOA-00133-00032069-00032314 um certainly it's not all executed by eJUsq03YaOA-00134-00032316-00032567 the ethereum foundation it's executed by eJUsq03YaOA-00135-00032568-00032789 by members of the core development team eJUsq03YaOA-00136-00032790-00033101 which are within and with outside uh and eJUsq03YaOA-00137-00033102-00033251 outside of the uh the ethereum eJUsq03YaOA-00138-00033252-00033473 foundation as well as uh you know eJUsq03YaOA-00139-00033474-00033785 partners and grantees and so there's you eJUsq03YaOA-00140-00033786-00033965 know hundreds of people that that work eJUsq03YaOA-00141-00033966-00034157 work on those types of worked on those eJUsq03YaOA-00142-00034158-00034318 types of projects eJUsq03YaOA-00143-00034319-00034823 um the bottom the bottom right is eJUsq03YaOA-00144-00034824-00034973 you know let's say more commercial eJUsq03YaOA-00145-00034974-00035146 projects more projects where there's eJUsq03YaOA-00146-00035147-00035339 maybe more financial incentive in order eJUsq03YaOA-00147-00035340-00035693 to build an application or perhaps just eJUsq03YaOA-00148-00035694-00035861 purely eJUsq03YaOA-00149-00035862-00035945 um eJUsq03YaOA-00150-00035946-00036274 like application Level uh function so eJUsq03YaOA-00151-00036275-00036623 you user-facing applications and areas eJUsq03YaOA-00152-00036624-00036839 where you know funding might be fairly eJUsq03YaOA-00153-00036840-00037001 easy to come by eJUsq03YaOA-00154-00037002-00037493 um so it may or may not require as much eJUsq03YaOA-00155-00037494-00037829 ESP involvement in helping to steer that eJUsq03YaOA-00156-00037830-00038002 that's just people building businesses eJUsq03YaOA-00157-00038003-00038183 on top of the blockchain which is what eJUsq03YaOA-00158-00038184-00038315 we want to see eJUsq03YaOA-00159-00038316-00038543 everything else in between so kind of eJUsq03YaOA-00160-00038544-00038674 the you know certainly in the in the in eJUsq03YaOA-00161-00038675-00039005 the top portion is eJUsq03YaOA-00162-00039006-00039311 I you know it's certainly incomplete I eJUsq03YaOA-00163-00039312-00039479 think if we looked at the entire problem eJUsq03YaOA-00164-00039480-00039659 domain there's probably no blank space eJUsq03YaOA-00165-00039660-00039833 on this page at all eJUsq03YaOA-00166-00039834-00040127 um but generally speaking it's you know eJUsq03YaOA-00167-00040128-00040301 the infrastructure associated with eJUsq03YaOA-00168-00040302-00040565 implementing you know eJUsq03YaOA-00169-00040566-00040733 all the other all the other capabilities eJUsq03YaOA-00170-00040734-00040937 in here like when we talk about ux and eJUsq03YaOA-00171-00040938-00041171 crypto is bad what infrastructure is eJUsq03YaOA-00172-00041172-00041489 missing in order to enable a a ux that eJUsq03YaOA-00173-00041490-00041657 that actually makes it uh you know eJUsq03YaOA-00174-00041658-00041824 enjoyable to use eJUsq03YaOA-00175-00041825-00042023 um you know how do we how do we increase eJUsq03YaOA-00176-00042024-00042311 censorship resistance how do we uh you eJUsq03YaOA-00177-00042312-00042568 know increase the you know uh negative eJUsq03YaOA-00178-00042569-00042827 Mev how to or you know minimize the eJUsq03YaOA-00179-00042828-00043145 negative Mev I should say uh you know so eJUsq03YaOA-00180-00043146-00043324 so again this is not this is not eJUsq03YaOA-00181-00043325-00043535 intended to be a you know a complete map eJUsq03YaOA-00182-00043536-00043696 it's just something I use to frame eJUsq03YaOA-00183-00043697-00043871 myself for when we see applications it's eJUsq03YaOA-00184-00043872-00044080 kind of a where does it fit where does eJUsq03YaOA-00185-00044081-00044315 it fit in this space and is is it eJUsq03YaOA-00186-00044316-00044501 something that you know we should just eJUsq03YaOA-00187-00044502-00044752 be making connections to other other eJUsq03YaOA-00188-00044753-00044945 funding sources within the ecosystem or eJUsq03YaOA-00189-00044946-00045052 is it something that we should be eJUsq03YaOA-00190-00045053-00045227 engaging with or is it you know eJUsq03YaOA-00191-00045228-00045449 something that you know you don't really eJUsq03YaOA-00192-00045450-00045652 need our help eJUsq03YaOA-00193-00045653-00045887 and you know the bottom the bottom left eJUsq03YaOA-00194-00045888-00046127 is really just you know maybe it's the eJUsq03YaOA-00195-00046128-00046324 items that are or topics that are too eJUsq03YaOA-00196-00046325-00046505 early to implement doesn't mean we don't eJUsq03YaOA-00197-00046506-00046690 need to do the research today eJUsq03YaOA-00198-00046691-00046967 but perhaps it's it's it's too early to eJUsq03YaOA-00199-00046968-00047099 get started eJUsq03YaOA-00200-00047100-00047165 um eJUsq03YaOA-00201-00047166-00047351 so you know they'll trickle up in eJUsq03YaOA-00202-00047352-00047579 priority in One Direction or another uh eJUsq03YaOA-00203-00047580-00047849 over time right so you know I'd be eJUsq03YaOA-00204-00047850-00048065 curious I'd be curious to talk with eJUsq03YaOA-00205-00048066-00048215 people you know this whole week or any eJUsq03YaOA-00206-00048216-00048473 time really just as to what are the eJUsq03YaOA-00207-00048474-00048677 problems that that everyone else sees eJUsq03YaOA-00208-00048678-00048880 you know what what do you think the eJUsq03YaOA-00209-00048881-00049090 missing infrastructure layers are in eJUsq03YaOA-00210-00049091-00049308 order to build what you want to build eJUsq03YaOA-00211-00049309-00049540 and and that would let everyone else eJUsq03YaOA-00212-00049541-00049667 build what they want to build as well eJUsq03YaOA-00213-00049668-00049912 right so this is yeah again it's just a eJUsq03YaOA-00214-00049913-00050093 mental model I've created to confuse eJUsq03YaOA-00215-00050094-00050411 myself and everybody else but uh eJUsq03YaOA-00216-00050412-00050693 I hope it I hope it helps at least see eJUsq03YaOA-00217-00050694-00051329 where my head is at eJUsq03YaOA-00218-00051329-00051479 um eJUsq03YaOA-00219-00051479-00051658 you know so then we talk about eJUsq03YaOA-00220-00051659-00051814 you know what do we kind of stay away eJUsq03YaOA-00221-00051815-00052151 from right so eJUsq03YaOA-00222-00052152-00052475 we're not basically if the EF is always eJUsq03YaOA-00223-00052476-00052715 looking for ways to uniquely support the eJUsq03YaOA-00224-00052716-00052949 ecosystem so if there are opportunities eJUsq03YaOA-00225-00052950-00053315 for you know VC funding or other funding eJUsq03YaOA-00226-00053316-00053579 sources within the ecosystem we would be eJUsq03YaOA-00227-00053579-00053794 more apt to make connections than to eJUsq03YaOA-00228-00053795-00053944 support directly eJUsq03YaOA-00229-00053945-00054065 um eJUsq03YaOA-00230-00054066-00054335 right projects that are actively raising eJUsq03YaOA-00231-00054336-00054454 money eJUsq03YaOA-00232-00054455-00054875 um probably don't require the EF support eJUsq03YaOA-00233-00054876-00055037 if you're if you're building a new nft eJUsq03YaOA-00234-00055038-00055307 project or a new nft platform unless eJUsq03YaOA-00235-00055308-00055438 there's some really Unique Piece of tech eJUsq03YaOA-00236-00055439-00055582 in what you're trying to do eJUsq03YaOA-00237-00055583-00055732 again it's probably not something that eJUsq03YaOA-00238-00055733-00055871 that we support we do see a lot of eJUsq03YaOA-00239-00055872-00056080 applications in that area eJUsq03YaOA-00240-00056082-00056207 um but it's eJUsq03YaOA-00241-00056208-00056380 it's not something that we we would eJUsq03YaOA-00242-00056382-00056530 actively try and support and certainly eJUsq03YaOA-00243-00056532-00056626 token eJUsq03YaOA-00244-00056627-00056807 we don't talk tokens we don't and we eJUsq03YaOA-00245-00056808-00057011 don't talk about Investments and we eJUsq03YaOA-00246-00057012-00057197 don't talk about that type of thing as eJUsq03YaOA-00247-00057198-00057376 well as hobby activities you know hobby eJUsq03YaOA-00248-00057377-00057563 activities are certainly great eJUsq03YaOA-00249-00057564-00057863 they might be beneficial but they're not eJUsq03YaOA-00250-00057864-00058037 the types of things we that that we eJUsq03YaOA-00251-00058038-00058144 would generally support if you're trying eJUsq03YaOA-00252-00058145-00058282 to start a Breakfast Club of some kind eJUsq03YaOA-00253-00058283-00058511 it's probably not the right the right eJUsq03YaOA-00254-00058512-00059026 place to uh to apply eJUsq03YaOA-00255-00059027-00059249 so we'll get into the different types of eJUsq03YaOA-00256-00059250-00059615 support that the ESP provides eJUsq03YaOA-00257-00059616-00059788 you know I don't know if if any of you eJUsq03YaOA-00258-00059789-00059969 have checked out the ESP website this eJUsq03YaOA-00259-00059970-00060263 year versus last year we complete we eJUsq03YaOA-00260-00060264-00060413 completely revamped the website back in eJUsq03YaOA-00261-00060414-00060725 February to help streamline the process eJUsq03YaOA-00262-00060726-00061103 of applying for support as well as to eJUsq03YaOA-00263-00061104-00061409 as well as to I guess provide some other eJUsq03YaOA-00264-00061410-00061588 options for the types of support that we eJUsq03YaOA-00265-00061589-00061726 provide eJUsq03YaOA-00266-00061727-00062021 so the the first type we have here is eJUsq03YaOA-00267-00062022-00062423 office hours so this was new in 2022. eJUsq03YaOA-00268-00062424-00062644 and so office hours gives you the eJUsq03YaOA-00269-00062645-00062849 opportunity to submit an application eJUsq03YaOA-00270-00062850-00063065 requesting guidance on your project or eJUsq03YaOA-00271-00063066-00063292 guidance on how to get involved in a eJUsq03YaOA-00272-00063294-00063497 project or just eJUsq03YaOA-00273-00063498-00063803 you know some some advice you don't have eJUsq03YaOA-00274-00063804-00063971 to submit a Grant application here this eJUsq03YaOA-00275-00063972-00064126 is just simply it's a fairly eJUsq03YaOA-00276-00064127-00064379 straightforward application if it's eJUsq03YaOA-00277-00064379-00064606 something that you know if your project eJUsq03YaOA-00278-00064607-00064756 idea is something that appears to be eJUsq03YaOA-00279-00064757-00064985 aligned with with something we we would eJUsq03YaOA-00280-00064986-00065273 like to talk about uh then we we quickly eJUsq03YaOA-00281-00065274-00065429 set up a 20-minute phone call with one eJUsq03YaOA-00282-00065429-00065681 of our evaluators and eJUsq03YaOA-00283-00065682-00065988 and we go from there oftentimes uh we eJUsq03YaOA-00284-00065989-00066281 these lead to recommend you know eJUsq03YaOA-00285-00066282-00066473 recommending a team or an individual to eJUsq03YaOA-00286-00066474-00066719 apply for a grant or it might be you eJUsq03YaOA-00287-00066720-00066803 know what we're going to connect you eJUsq03YaOA-00288-00066804-00066947 with someone else within the EF or eJUsq03YaOA-00289-00066948-00067126 someone outside the EF in order to move eJUsq03YaOA-00290-00067127-00067313 your project forward eJUsq03YaOA-00291-00067314-00067505 um you know I think I think the last eJUsq03YaOA-00292-00067506-00067697 date I was looking at is eJUsq03YaOA-00293-00067698-00067873 we've seen something like 300 eJUsq03YaOA-00294-00067874-00068099 applications this year eJUsq03YaOA-00295-00068100-00068350 for office hours uh calls I think we've eJUsq03YaOA-00296-00068351-00068723 held over a hundred office hour calls uh eJUsq03YaOA-00297-00068724-00068903 this year so that's a hundred unique eJUsq03YaOA-00298-00068904-00069043 teams eJUsq03YaOA-00299-00069044-00069425 that our team of seven or eight people eJUsq03YaOA-00300-00069426-00069617 have been eJUsq03YaOA-00301-00069618-00069844 been talking to this year just simply eJUsq03YaOA-00302-00069845-00070031 providing this type of support and eJUsq03YaOA-00303-00070032-00070276 there's been more than a handful that eJUsq03YaOA-00304-00070277-00070469 have have turned into grant applications eJUsq03YaOA-00305-00070470-00071050 or sponsorship applications as well eJUsq03YaOA-00306-00071051-00071315 so next up so so office hours is eJUsq03YaOA-00307-00071316-00071482 non-financial support eJUsq03YaOA-00308-00071483-00071603 um eJUsq03YaOA-00309-00071604-00071788 so the first type of financial support eJUsq03YaOA-00310-00071789-00071956 we provide is sponsorships for community eJUsq03YaOA-00311-00071957-00072413 events now these will these are always eJUsq03YaOA-00312-00072414-00072497 um eJUsq03YaOA-00313-00072498-00072755 educational in nature I'll say but eJUsq03YaOA-00314-00072756-00073009 they're you know their their local eJUsq03YaOA-00315-00073010-00073361 events local organizers may or may not eJUsq03YaOA-00316-00073362-00073673 have an EF presence associated with them eJUsq03YaOA-00317-00073674-00073859 it's just it's just intended to build eJUsq03YaOA-00318-00073860-00074165 out build out local local communities eJUsq03YaOA-00319-00074166-00074435 um you know so we we look at things like eJUsq03YaOA-00320-00074436-00074632 how aligned are the organizers with eJUsq03YaOA-00321-00074633-00074771 ethereum what what types of other eJUsq03YaOA-00322-00074772-00075065 projects have have they supported eJUsq03YaOA-00323-00075066-00075185 um eJUsq03YaOA-00324-00075186-00075329 how many people are they trying to get eJUsq03YaOA-00325-00075330-00075449 involved in their event it doesn't eJUsq03YaOA-00326-00075450-00075653 matter if your event is big or small I eJUsq03YaOA-00327-00075654-00075826 think the big or small just determines eJUsq03YaOA-00328-00075827-00076109 you know how much money might be might eJUsq03YaOA-00329-00076110-00076253 be required in order to support your eJUsq03YaOA-00330-00076254-00076481 event you don't have to have big name eJUsq03YaOA-00331-00076482-00076709 speakers in order to apply for a eJUsq03YaOA-00332-00076710-00076888 sponsorship we just need to know that eJUsq03YaOA-00333-00076889-00077026 you have eJUsq03YaOA-00334-00077027-00077297 credible community members who are able eJUsq03YaOA-00335-00077298-00077494 to who are able to push the message of eJUsq03YaOA-00336-00077495-00077687 ethereum forward and and help to build eJUsq03YaOA-00337-00077688-00077838 those communities eJUsq03YaOA-00338-00077839-00078185 we also look at you know eJUsq03YaOA-00339-00078186-00078538 why would the EF support is it just eJUsq03YaOA-00340-00078539-00078821 simply you you want the money in order eJUsq03YaOA-00341-00078822-00078994 to support these in order to get the eJUsq03YaOA-00342-00078995-00079193 event off the ground or is there some eJUsq03YaOA-00343-00079194-00079403 other is there some other aspect that eJUsq03YaOA-00344-00079404-00079612 would benefit the local community eJUsq03YaOA-00345-00079613-00079691 um eJUsq03YaOA-00346-00079692-00079841 and you'll see later on in one of my eJUsq03YaOA-00347-00079842-00080075 charts the the number of sponsorships eJUsq03YaOA-00348-00080076-00080453 that we've awarded in 2022 has been I eJUsq03YaOA-00349-00080454-00080650 think Beyond everyone's expectations as eJUsq03YaOA-00350-00080651-00080800 you know everyone leading all the eJUsq03YaOA-00351-00080801-00081023 community events in Latin America and eJUsq03YaOA-00352-00081024-00081215 around the world leading up to leading eJUsq03YaOA-00353-00081216-00081461 up to uh this week as well as leading up eJUsq03YaOA-00354-00081462-00081647 to the merch it's actually quite eJUsq03YaOA-00355-00081648-00081791 impressive when you see how many how eJUsq03YaOA-00356-00081792-00082025 many sponsorships the EF has provided eJUsq03YaOA-00357-00082026-00082235 this year and not even the EF actually eJUsq03YaOA-00358-00082236-00082505 I'll clarify the sponsorships that the eJUsq03YaOA-00359-00082506-00082835 ESP program has provided this year so eJUsq03YaOA-00360-00082836-00083044 not including sponsorships that other eJUsq03YaOA-00361-00083045-00083291 teams within the EF have have provided eJUsq03YaOA-00362-00083292-00083675 as well eJUsq03YaOA-00363-00083676-00083938 and then and And to clarify as well eJUsq03YaOA-00364-00083939-00084221 sponsorships are not considered grants eJUsq03YaOA-00365-00084222-00084473 um so they're just it's it's a it's a eJUsq03YaOA-00366-00084474-00084719 lighter weight process for for uh eJUsq03YaOA-00367-00084720-00084935 providing funding to to these local eJUsq03YaOA-00368-00084936-00085073 communities eJUsq03YaOA-00369-00085074-00085271 the first type of Grants we call them eJUsq03YaOA-00370-00085272-00085403 small grants eJUsq03YaOA-00371-00085404-00085709 the name is kind of self-explanatory eJUsq03YaOA-00372-00085710-00085950 um they're intended to be small in scope eJUsq03YaOA-00373-00085951-00086279 and small in duration so this would be eJUsq03YaOA-00374-00086280-00086488 typically three to six months they're eJUsq03YaOA-00375-00086489-00086711 meant to be kind of this is the place eJUsq03YaOA-00376-00086712-00086956 where where we are willing to take risks eJUsq03YaOA-00377-00086957-00087323 on teams individuals new technology uh eJUsq03YaOA-00378-00087324-00087653 to see what can happen so this is you eJUsq03YaOA-00379-00087654-00087971 know you have an idea early stage you eJUsq03YaOA-00380-00087972-00088205 want to just try and produce uh you know eJUsq03YaOA-00381-00088206-00088576 a proof of concept or an MVP and you eJUsq03YaOA-00382-00088577-00088721 need a little bit of funding in order to eJUsq03YaOA-00383-00088722-00089015 just uh get that get that off the ground eJUsq03YaOA-00384-00089016-00089368 and see see if there is potential there eJUsq03YaOA-00385-00089369-00089537 um you know this is that this is the eJUsq03YaOA-00386-00089538-00089879 type of program that or the the uh Grant eJUsq03YaOA-00387-00089880-00090167 process that you would apply through eJUsq03YaOA-00388-00090168-00090526 it's a it's a we typically intend to eJUsq03YaOA-00389-00090527-00090767 award these within about eJUsq03YaOA-00390-00090768-00090982 I'll say three weeks would be roughly eJUsq03YaOA-00391-00090983-00091265 the target from the time you apply to to eJUsq03YaOA-00392-00091266-00091397 the time we eJUsq03YaOA-00393-00091398-00091625 agree to you know is this something we eJUsq03YaOA-00394-00091626-00091805 want to move forward with or not or want eJUsq03YaOA-00395-00091806-00091997 to support or not again oftentimes eJUsq03YaOA-00396-00091998-00092188 applications come in here and we eJUsq03YaOA-00397-00092189-00092435 actually decide that perhaps EF support eJUsq03YaOA-00398-00092436-00092753 is not the best place to get support so eJUsq03YaOA-00399-00092754-00092915 perhaps there's another Dow funding eJUsq03YaOA-00400-00092916-00093047 source or perhaps there's some other eJUsq03YaOA-00401-00093048-00093215 connections eJUsq03YaOA-00402-00093216-00093481 um that would be that would be better eJUsq03YaOA-00403-00093482-00093712 certainly there's there's back and forth eJUsq03YaOA-00404-00093713-00094079 between between the uh the ESP team and eJUsq03YaOA-00405-00094080-00094265 the applicants to make sure everyone eJUsq03YaOA-00406-00094266-00094426 make sure we understand what the eJUsq03YaOA-00407-00094427-00094649 proposal is make sure the team eJUsq03YaOA-00408-00094650-00094876 understands kind of what types of eJUsq03YaOA-00409-00094877-00095056 constraints there may or may not be be eJUsq03YaOA-00410-00095057-00095261 on uh you know what scope we would be eJUsq03YaOA-00411-00095262-00095500 willing to support but these again these eJUsq03YaOA-00412-00095501-00095675 are intended to be lightweight eJUsq03YaOA-00413-00095676-00096406 and this is where we take the risks eJUsq03YaOA-00414-00096407-00096665 and project grants so this is the last eJUsq03YaOA-00415-00096666-00096797 source of uh eJUsq03YaOA-00416-00096798-00097012 of grants that we and the ESP team eJUsq03YaOA-00417-00097013-00097247 provide directly there's no real cap on eJUsq03YaOA-00418-00097248-00097391 funding here so these are late later eJUsq03YaOA-00419-00097392-00097735 stage projects or later stage research eJUsq03YaOA-00420-00097736-00098026 activities that require eJUsq03YaOA-00421-00098027-00098212 perhaps a eJUsq03YaOA-00422-00098213-00098447 a more robust source of funding and eJUsq03YaOA-00423-00098448-00098593 support eJUsq03YaOA-00424-00098594-00098968 these applications go through a let's eJUsq03YaOA-00425-00098969-00099149 say they might they might be two months eJUsq03YaOA-00426-00099150-00099323 would be roughly the target from eJUsq03YaOA-00427-00099324-00099617 application to award for eJUsq03YaOA-00428-00099618-00099947 for applications in this area and it's a eJUsq03YaOA-00429-00099948-00100150 very collaborative process trying to eJUsq03YaOA-00430-00100151-00100409 figure out uh trying to scope the eJUsq03YaOA-00431-00100410-00100600 project appropriately make sure that eJUsq03YaOA-00432-00100601-00101044 there's a a an achievable roadmap make eJUsq03YaOA-00433-00101045-00101326 sure there's Milestones along the way to eJUsq03YaOA-00434-00101327-00101579 to demonstrate progress or to find eJUsq03YaOA-00435-00101580-00101747 places to say you know what it's not eJUsq03YaOA-00436-00101748-00102037 going to work or or what have you eJUsq03YaOA-00437-00102038-00102466 and make sure that we're eJUsq03YaOA-00438-00102467-00102658 you know generally make sure that we're eJUsq03YaOA-00439-00102659-00102923 all on the same page and eJUsq03YaOA-00440-00102924-00103199 so again these are the the decision to eJUsq03YaOA-00441-00103200-00103468 make making process here like we go back eJUsq03YaOA-00442-00103469-00103697 through talking with advisors within the eJUsq03YaOA-00443-00103698-00103894 EF pulling in advisors from the eJUsq03YaOA-00444-00103895-00104092 ecosystem if it's something that you eJUsq03YaOA-00445-00104093-00104266 know perhaps they're better better eJUsq03YaOA-00446-00104267-00104578 positioned to uh to weigh in on as to eJUsq03YaOA-00447-00104579-00104753 you know is this the right is there eJUsq03YaOA-00448-00104754-00104939 someone else working on this Tech is eJUsq03YaOA-00449-00104940-00105178 there is there not eJUsq03YaOA-00450-00105179-00105263 um eJUsq03YaOA-00451-00105264-00105533 you know and it does the solution appear eJUsq03YaOA-00452-00105533-00105815 viable does the team appear capable eJUsq03YaOA-00453-00105816-00105995 those those types of questions as well eJUsq03YaOA-00454-00105996-00106228 so certainly it's a it's a more eJUsq03YaOA-00455-00106229-00106493 intensive process eJUsq03YaOA-00456-00106494-00106799 um but this is one area there where I eJUsq03YaOA-00457-00106800-00107134 think you know to be honest we've we've eJUsq03YaOA-00458-00107135-00107357 started to see a eJUsq03YaOA-00459-00107358-00107573 our pipeline in this area to dry up a eJUsq03YaOA-00460-00107574-00107686 little bit eJUsq03YaOA-00461-00107688-00107975 um we're not exactly sure why that eJUsq03YaOA-00462-00107976-00108184 there's there isn't a there aren't eJUsq03YaOA-00463-00108185-00108347 people working on those later stage eJUsq03YaOA-00464-00108348-00108569 projects now it could just be that eJUsq03YaOA-00465-00108570-00108851 everyone's been focused on the merge and eJUsq03YaOA-00466-00108852-00109078 focused on projects sort of related in eJUsq03YaOA-00467-00109079-00109240 that front and now everyone's trying to eJUsq03YaOA-00468-00109241-00109378 figure out well what is the next thing eJUsq03YaOA-00469-00109379-00109654 to be to to actually push forward in in eJUsq03YaOA-00470-00109655-00109823 the short term eJUsq03YaOA-00471-00109824-00110027 um and in these projects oh I'm sorry eJUsq03YaOA-00472-00110028-00110315 going back to small grants one second uh eJUsq03YaOA-00473-00110316-00110507 when I say short duration it's like eJUsq03YaOA-00474-00110508-00110728 three to six months for for small grants eJUsq03YaOA-00475-00110729-00111023 I'd say project grants are probably six eJUsq03YaOA-00476-00111024-00111299 to twelve six to eighteen month types of eJUsq03YaOA-00477-00111300-00111502 road maps that that we'd be laying out eJUsq03YaOA-00478-00111503-00112258 with the teams eJUsq03YaOA-00479-00112259-00112607 okay so evaluating grants is you know as eJUsq03YaOA-00480-00112608-00112871 I've been alluding to it's uh it's eJUsq03YaOA-00481-00112872-00113177 fairly complicated process we do a lot eJUsq03YaOA-00482-00113178-00113345 of due diligence eJUsq03YaOA-00483-00113346-00113615 on applications you know to make sure eJUsq03YaOA-00484-00113616-00113789 that you know we ask ourselves a lot of eJUsq03YaOA-00485-00113790-00114178 questions we ask the grantees eJUsq03YaOA-00486-00114179-00114358 probably not as many questions as we ask eJUsq03YaOA-00487-00114359-00114604 ourselves but a lot of questions as well eJUsq03YaOA-00488-00114605-00114827 you know we're looking at eJUsq03YaOA-00489-00114828-00114965 you know eJUsq03YaOA-00490-00114966-00115204 let's see if we look at is this the best eJUsq03YaOA-00491-00115205-00115451 use of resources right the EF has eJUsq03YaOA-00492-00115452-00115607 limited resources the ecosystem has eJUsq03YaOA-00493-00115608-00115847 limited is is this the best place to to eJUsq03YaOA-00494-00115848-00116045 put the ef's funding to push things eJUsq03YaOA-00495-00116046-00116171 forward eJUsq03YaOA-00496-00116172-00116321 um we look at the team is this the best eJUsq03YaOA-00497-00116322-00116554 team is this the best use of that team eJUsq03YaOA-00498-00116555-00116716 as well eJUsq03YaOA-00499-00116717-00116777 um eJUsq03YaOA-00500-00116778-00117023 right if we have highly capable teams eJUsq03YaOA-00501-00117024-00117269 solving trivial problems eJUsq03YaOA-00502-00117270-00117473 maybe we'd be better off trying to eJUsq03YaOA-00503-00117474-00117665 direct them to help solve a more eJUsq03YaOA-00504-00117666-00117886 complicated problem than than perhaps eJUsq03YaOA-00505-00117888-00118043 the one they're more interested in it eJUsq03YaOA-00506-00118044-00118186 wouldn't be it wouldn't be the first eJUsq03YaOA-00507-00118188-00118343 time if we had a conversation with a eJUsq03YaOA-00508-00118344-00118571 team when they proposed a proposed eJUsq03YaOA-00509-00118572-00118775 something to us and we actually tried to eJUsq03YaOA-00510-00118776-00118969 direct them to work on something else eJUsq03YaOA-00511-00118970-00119231 because we saw what they were trying to eJUsq03YaOA-00512-00119232-00119393 do we've seen what they've done in the eJUsq03YaOA-00513-00119394-00119593 past and we know they're capable of eJUsq03YaOA-00514-00119594-00119795 solving a bigger problem than perhaps eJUsq03YaOA-00515-00119796-00119902 what they're eJUsq03YaOA-00516-00119903-00120101 what they were proposing or perhaps eJUsq03YaOA-00517-00120102-00120371 their scope was was too limited eJUsq03YaOA-00518-00120372-00120599 um also perhaps the the goal of the eJUsq03YaOA-00519-00120600-00120808 project was too ambitious eJUsq03YaOA-00520-00120809-00121001 and so then we would try and scale the eJUsq03YaOA-00521-00121002-00121204 project down to well why don't we just eJUsq03YaOA-00522-00121205-00121427 try and find that the proof of concept eJUsq03YaOA-00523-00121428-00121739 or the you know the minimum viable eJUsq03YaOA-00524-00121740-00121871 product to eJUsq03YaOA-00525-00121872-00122099 that needs to get done prove that we can eJUsq03YaOA-00526-00122100-00122249 do that and then perhaps there's a eJUsq03YaOA-00527-00122250-00122507 discussion for for follow-on funding or eJUsq03YaOA-00528-00122508-00122675 perhaps that brings you to the point eJUsq03YaOA-00529-00122676-00122878 where you don't require EF support eJUsq03YaOA-00530-00122879-00123083 anymore now you've retired the risk to eJUsq03YaOA-00531-00123083-00123539 your project and you can move it forward eJUsq03YaOA-00532-00123540-00123701 um eJUsq03YaOA-00533-00123702-00123952 yeah and then I suppose we look at also eJUsq03YaOA-00534-00123953-00124097 the eJUsq03YaOA-00535-00124098-00124277 you know what are the side effects of eJUsq03YaOA-00536-00124278-00124486 the EF supporting eJUsq03YaOA-00537-00124488-00124673 it's always I'd say this is one of the eJUsq03YaOA-00538-00124674-00124871 most difficult considerations that we eJUsq03YaOA-00539-00124872-00125063 always have to make is what are the eJUsq03YaOA-00540-00125064-00125339 chilling effects if we support your eJUsq03YaOA-00541-00125340-00125452 proposal eJUsq03YaOA-00542-00125453-00125590 and you're the eJUsq03YaOA-00543-00125591-00125849 and you get you know it looks like an EF eJUsq03YaOA-00544-00125850-00126089 stamp of approval on your on your eJUsq03YaOA-00545-00126090-00126257 solution does that mean the rest of the eJUsq03YaOA-00546-00126258-00126497 ecosystem stops developing of it right eJUsq03YaOA-00547-00126498-00126658 so we need we we always need to make eJUsq03YaOA-00548-00126659-00126928 those considerations as well eJUsq03YaOA-00549-00126929-00127145 and we also want to make sure that teams eJUsq03YaOA-00550-00127146-00127427 are able to have a sustainability plan eJUsq03YaOA-00551-00127428-00127690 in their in their roadmap eJUsq03YaOA-00552-00127691-00127877 um it's not always obvious especially eJUsq03YaOA-00553-00127878-00128008 when you're building out public goods I eJUsq03YaOA-00554-00128009-00128152 think that's sort of the definition of eJUsq03YaOA-00555-00128153-00128357 public goods so it's there's a dichotomy eJUsq03YaOA-00556-00128358-00128657 there of how do you eJUsq03YaOA-00557-00128658-00128939 how do you become sustainable when eJUsq03YaOA-00558-00128940-00129034 you're trying to just build the eJUsq03YaOA-00559-00129035-00129263 infrastructure like how does a consensus eJUsq03YaOA-00560-00129264-00129478 client team for example become a eJUsq03YaOA-00561-00129479-00129719 sustainable business are they eJUsq03YaOA-00562-00129720-00129940 and how how do you make how do you come eJUsq03YaOA-00563-00129941-00130223 up with the balance there so it's a eJUsq03YaOA-00564-00130224-00130493 consideration it's it's a tougher one eJUsq03YaOA-00565-00130494-00130631 for us to eJUsq03YaOA-00566-00130632-00130883 totally understand but what we what we eJUsq03YaOA-00567-00130883-00131087 try to avoid is having teams that are eJUsq03YaOA-00568-00131088-00131423 clearly going to be dependent on us for eJUsq03YaOA-00569-00131424-00131704 the next several years because there eJUsq03YaOA-00570-00131705-00132004 there is no way to monetize ever what eJUsq03YaOA-00571-00132005-00132166 they're trying to do eJUsq03YaOA-00572-00132167-00132328 um eJUsq03YaOA-00573-00132329-00132587 uh we also try to avoid we call it King eJUsq03YaOA-00574-00132588-00132875 making so it's sort of like the chilling eJUsq03YaOA-00575-00132876-00133073 effect we put your stamp on your project eJUsq03YaOA-00576-00133074-00133390 and now it looks like the EF endorses eJUsq03YaOA-00577-00133391-00133547 zap project and no one else should work eJUsq03YaOA-00578-00133548-00133709 on that project is just you know we'll eJUsq03YaOA-00579-00133710-00133961 put our stamp on your wallet and eJUsq03YaOA-00580-00133962-00134099 there you go we don't need any other eJUsq03YaOA-00581-00134100-00134254 wallets because now we have the EF eJUsq03YaOA-00582-00134255-00134501 indoors to wallet so we we avoid avoid eJUsq03YaOA-00583-00134502-00134735 those situations as as much as possible eJUsq03YaOA-00584-00134736-00134999 uh we also try to avoid we don't want to eJUsq03YaOA-00585-00135000-00135185 enable Bad actors obviously I think eJUsq03YaOA-00586-00135186-00135352 that's a no-brainer eJUsq03YaOA-00587-00135353-00135502 um eJUsq03YaOA-00588-00135503-00135707 right so so that gets into getting to eJUsq03YaOA-00589-00135708-00135869 know the teams getting to know their eJUsq03YaOA-00590-00135870-00136085 intentions getting to know other eJUsq03YaOA-00591-00136086-00136277 projects they've worked on eJUsq03YaOA-00592-00136278-00136373 um eJUsq03YaOA-00593-00136374-00136583 not obviously we don't do background eJUsq03YaOA-00594-00136584-00136709 checks or anything like that but eJUsq03YaOA-00595-00136710-00136883 certainly talking to people that that eJUsq03YaOA-00596-00136884-00137069 the team knows everyone everyone eJUsq03YaOA-00597-00137070-00137290 typically you know the applying for ESP eJUsq03YaOA-00598-00137291-00137452 support you don't need to know anybody eJUsq03YaOA-00599-00137453-00137633 to apply eJUsq03YaOA-00600-00137634-00137825 um it's an Open Door anybody can apply eJUsq03YaOA-00601-00137826-00138052 but certainly people that are active in eJUsq03YaOA-00602-00138053-00138169 the ecosystem eJUsq03YaOA-00603-00138170-00138473 have probably been engaged with other eJUsq03YaOA-00604-00138474-00138671 other organizations that that we're eJUsq03YaOA-00605-00138672-00138887 familiar with and if there's a if eJUsq03YaOA-00606-00138888-00139054 there's sort of a reference we can look eJUsq03YaOA-00607-00139055-00139349 at to help validate then you know that's eJUsq03YaOA-00608-00139350-00139577 that helps make things easier as well we eJUsq03YaOA-00609-00139578-00139714 also try to avoid creating our own eJUsq03YaOA-00610-00139715-00140021 competition and again that's one that we eJUsq03YaOA-00611-00140022-00140314 we shouldn't have to say but we do see a eJUsq03YaOA-00612-00140315-00140525 lot of applications about I'm trying to eJUsq03YaOA-00613-00140526-00140843 build applications on algrand or I'm eJUsq03YaOA-00614-00140844-00141083 trying to build a new L1 altogether you eJUsq03YaOA-00615-00141084-00141233 know can you can you please support my eJUsq03YaOA-00616-00141234-00141527 project so clearly you know those ones eJUsq03YaOA-00617-00141528-00141887 are obvious obvious rejections eJUsq03YaOA-00618-00141888-00141947 um eJUsq03YaOA-00619-00141948-00142109 in most cases eJUsq03YaOA-00620-00142110-00142289 you know it certainly when you talk eJUsq03YaOA-00621-00142290-00142445 about building competition obvious eJUsq03YaOA-00622-00142446-00142643 rejection but sometimes there's a unique eJUsq03YaOA-00623-00142644-00142823 idea in there as well eJUsq03YaOA-00624-00142824-00143189 so that we're always looking for eJUsq03YaOA-00625-00143190-00143339 this was one other thing we put in there eJUsq03YaOA-00626-00143340-00143513 is eJUsq03YaOA-00627-00143514-00143783 we see your proposal we see your project eJUsq03YaOA-00628-00143784-00144059 what's the really unique eJUsq03YaOA-00629-00144060-00144293 piece of tech that you're trying to eJUsq03YaOA-00630-00144294-00144425 build eJUsq03YaOA-00631-00144426-00144664 that is actually beneficial that we eJUsq03YaOA-00632-00144665-00144845 think and we we would agree on is eJUsq03YaOA-00633-00144846-00145013 beneficial to eJUsq03YaOA-00634-00145014-00145354 uh ethereum right so sometimes you'll eJUsq03YaOA-00635-00145355-00145643 see a team submit a project proposal eJUsq03YaOA-00636-00145644-00145799 that actually gets scope you know eJUsq03YaOA-00637-00145800-00145966 requesting hundreds of thousands of eJUsq03YaOA-00638-00145967-00146164 dollars that gets scoped down into you eJUsq03YaOA-00639-00146165-00146351 know thirty thousand dollars because eJUsq03YaOA-00640-00146352-00146549 that's really there was really just that eJUsq03YaOA-00641-00146550-00146789 one key nugget of tech that that was eJUsq03YaOA-00642-00146790-00146939 important to build the rest of it was eJUsq03YaOA-00643-00146940-00147569 just an application layer on top eJUsq03YaOA-00644-00147570-00147821 so the general General process when you eJUsq03YaOA-00645-00147822-00148019 submit an application eJUsq03YaOA-00646-00148020-00148331 um through the website say that is you eJUsq03YaOA-00647-00148332-00148585 know you'll hear from us very quickly eJUsq03YaOA-00648-00148586-00148859 and probably within within two weeks eJUsq03YaOA-00649-00148860-00149183 we'll be trying to schedule a call to eJUsq03YaOA-00650-00149184-00149345 have that have that first level of eJUsq03YaOA-00651-00149346-00149519 Engagement and make sure we're all on eJUsq03YaOA-00652-00149520-00149639 the same page with what the application eJUsq03YaOA-00653-00149640-00149987 is and what the next steps are eJUsq03YaOA-00654-00149988-00150197 you know one thing that's eJUsq03YaOA-00655-00150198-00150340 suppose one thing that's not on this eJUsq03YaOA-00656-00150341-00150611 slide would be you know obviously if we eJUsq03YaOA-00657-00150612-00150797 keep extending the line out you're going eJUsq03YaOA-00658-00150798-00151037 to get to eJUsq03YaOA-00659-00151038-00151204 you know if it's small grants maybe it's eJUsq03YaOA-00660-00151205-00151445 just another another week or two to make eJUsq03YaOA-00661-00151446-00151595 a decision if it's project grants eJUsq03YaOA-00662-00151596-00151793 there's a whole bunch of other gates in eJUsq03YaOA-00663-00151794-00152075 there once we award a grant there is a eJUsq03YaOA-00664-00152076-00152237 formal legal agreement that's put in eJUsq03YaOA-00665-00152238-00152416 place between the EF and the and the eJUsq03YaOA-00666-00152417-00152716 team it's not just uh it's not just a eJUsq03YaOA-00667-00152717-00152987 handshake agreement so there is you know eJUsq03YaOA-00668-00152988-00153316 we need to do kyc checks on teams and eJUsq03YaOA-00669-00153317-00153478 individuals we need to make sure that we eJUsq03YaOA-00670-00153479-00153737 have uh that we're onboarding you onto eJUsq03YaOA-00671-00153738-00154175 the onto the uh into the program and so eJUsq03YaOA-00672-00154176-00154343 so there is some process involved in eJUsq03YaOA-00673-00154344-00154613 that sometimes teams get confused with eJUsq03YaOA-00674-00154614-00154913 and and it's not unexpected so it's just eJUsq03YaOA-00675-00154914-00155104 you know oh it's awarded where's my eJUsq03YaOA-00676-00155105-00155363 funds well and sometimes it can take it eJUsq03YaOA-00677-00155364-00155501 can take three weeks it could take six eJUsq03YaOA-00678-00155502-00155747 weeks depending on how how long it takes eJUsq03YaOA-00679-00155748-00156016 to get that uh legal agreement signed at eJUsq03YaOA-00680-00156017-00156202 the end of the process eJUsq03YaOA-00681-00156203-00156628 um eJUsq03YaOA-00682-00156629-00156761 so eJUsq03YaOA-00683-00156762-00156857 I'm going to talk a little bit about eJUsq03YaOA-00684-00156858-00157211 what we've what we've been up to eJUsq03YaOA-00685-00157212-00157313 um eJUsq03YaOA-00686-00157314-00157571 so eJUsq03YaOA-00687-00157572-00157954 I won't won't go into too much here but eJUsq03YaOA-00688-00157955-00158171 I just wanted to kind of show you like eJUsq03YaOA-00689-00158172-00158326 this is the number of applications we've eJUsq03YaOA-00690-00158327-00158435 been receiving eJUsq03YaOA-00691-00158436-00158831 per quarter since uh early 2020. eJUsq03YaOA-00692-00158832-00158926 um eJUsq03YaOA-00693-00158927-00159221 and you can see a huge spike in 2022. eJUsq03YaOA-00694-00159222-00159376 now I don't know if that's all eJUsq03YaOA-00695-00159377-00159535 completely related to the website eJUsq03YaOA-00696-00159536-00159737 redesign I don't know if that's eJUsq03YaOA-00697-00159738-00160001 something to do with market conditions I eJUsq03YaOA-00698-00160002-00160102 don't know if that's something to do eJUsq03YaOA-00699-00160103-00160313 with the maturity of ethereum today eJUsq03YaOA-00700-00160314-00160769 versus where it was in 2021 eJUsq03YaOA-00701-00160770-00161063 and you can see eJUsq03YaOA-00702-00161064-00161363 you know the yellow one office hours so eJUsq03YaOA-00703-00161364-00161543 you can see lots of office hours support eJUsq03YaOA-00704-00161544-00161716 and it's been picking up as the year eJUsq03YaOA-00705-00161717-00161987 goes on you can see small grants eJUsq03YaOA-00706-00161988-00162497 um lots of small grants applications eJUsq03YaOA-00707-00162498-00162761 right and and you know quite a few quite eJUsq03YaOA-00708-00162762-00162940 a few uh eJUsq03YaOA-00709-00162941-00163121 sponsorship applications there as well eJUsq03YaOA-00710-00163122-00163504 and the next slide is actually eJUsq03YaOA-00711-00163505-00163919 when we convert that into Awards eJUsq03YaOA-00712-00163920-00164285 um eJUsq03YaOA-00713-00164286-00164537 right and here what I actually found eJUsq03YaOA-00714-00164538-00164716 what I actually found quite interesting eJUsq03YaOA-00715-00164717-00164885 here was eJUsq03YaOA-00716-00164886-00165107 although the number of applications you eJUsq03YaOA-00717-00165108-00165299 know especially if you ignore so this is eJUsq03YaOA-00718-00165300-00165497 financial Awards so we don't when we're eJUsq03YaOA-00719-00165498-00165785 talking office hours we don't award uh eJUsq03YaOA-00720-00165786-00165940 office hours in our system so that's why eJUsq03YaOA-00721-00165941-00166187 you won't see office hours on here eJUsq03YaOA-00722-00166188-00166385 um but eJUsq03YaOA-00723-00166386-00166726 when we look at the awards we actually eJUsq03YaOA-00724-00166727-00166973 don't see the same increase so we're eJUsq03YaOA-00725-00166974-00167104 actually we're we're seeing tons of eJUsq03YaOA-00726-00167105-00167393 applications I'd say it's like uh if we eJUsq03YaOA-00727-00167394-00167549 ignore the office hours we're seeing 50 eJUsq03YaOA-00728-00167550-00167945 increase in applications if not more eJUsq03YaOA-00729-00167946-00168328 but the awards you know if we exclude eJUsq03YaOA-00730-00168329-00168671 the sponsorships in Q3 which was eJUsq03YaOA-00731-00168672-00168923 all the uh events leading up to the eJUsq03YaOA-00732-00168924-00169102 merge and leading up to leading up to eJUsq03YaOA-00733-00169103-00169378 Devcon where even just I think uh in Q3 eJUsq03YaOA-00734-00169379-00169523 we awarded eJUsq03YaOA-00735-00169524-00169895 about 63 sponsorships uh for merge eJUsq03YaOA-00736-00169896-00170057 meetups eJUsq03YaOA-00737-00170058-00170278 um right so that's why that's so big so eJUsq03YaOA-00738-00170279-00170495 this is actually getting to the sort of eJUsq03YaOA-00739-00170496-00170687 the Crux of the problem or the Crux of eJUsq03YaOA-00740-00170688-00170975 the question which is eJUsq03YaOA-00741-00170976-00171143 you know how do we get better eJUsq03YaOA-00742-00171144-00171425 applications how do we get everybody eJUsq03YaOA-00743-00171426-00171628 here everybody eJUsq03YaOA-00744-00171629-00171947 working in ethereum if you have eJUsq03YaOA-00745-00171948-00172283 when you're applying for for uh ESP eJUsq03YaOA-00746-00172284-00172421 support eJUsq03YaOA-00747-00172422-00172559 having applications that are more eJUsq03YaOA-00748-00172560-00172763 aligned I think this works out to about eJUsq03YaOA-00749-00172764-00172883 a 10 eJUsq03YaOA-00750-00172884-00173231 maybe 15 conversion rate which maybe is eJUsq03YaOA-00751-00173232-00173447 not unrealistic and maybe that's maybe eJUsq03YaOA-00752-00173448-00173639 that is the way it should be eJUsq03YaOA-00753-00173640-00173740 um eJUsq03YaOA-00754-00173741-00173926 but certainly what we would really like eJUsq03YaOA-00755-00173927-00174202 to see is you know fewer applications eJUsq03YaOA-00756-00174203-00174454 related to my new nft project more eJUsq03YaOA-00757-00174455-00174766 applications related to related to eJUsq03YaOA-00758-00174767-00174947 helping build out infrastructure and eJUsq03YaOA-00759-00174948-00175073 doing research that actually drives eJUsq03YaOA-00760-00175074-00175337 ethereum to to be able to achieve its eJUsq03YaOA-00761-00175338-00175847 goals eJUsq03YaOA-00762-00175848-00176069 so this slide is it's basically the same eJUsq03YaOA-00763-00176070-00176243 slide as the last one eJUsq03YaOA-00764-00176244-00176519 um except instead of broken down by eJUsq03YaOA-00765-00176520-00176723 by the eJUsq03YaOA-00766-00176724-00176963 type it's broken down by the category eJUsq03YaOA-00767-00176964-00177161 right so you can just see the the eJUsq03YaOA-00768-00177162-00177401 variety of categories and we've we've eJUsq03YaOA-00769-00177402-00177604 started to try and eJUsq03YaOA-00770-00177605-00177802 increase the granularity of the eJUsq03YaOA-00771-00177803-00177971 categories that uh eJUsq03YaOA-00772-00177972-00178193 that we're we're trying to I guess eJUsq03YaOA-00773-00178194-00178366 classify the applications or the awards eJUsq03YaOA-00774-00178367-00178493 within eJUsq03YaOA-00775-00178494-00178714 um but yeah certainly you can see huge eJUsq03YaOA-00776-00178715-00178943 spike in community events eJUsq03YaOA-00777-00178944-00179147 and but eJUsq03YaOA-00778-00179148-00179381 again it just stands out to me that that eJUsq03YaOA-00779-00179382-00179554 the level is not increasing even though eJUsq03YaOA-00780-00179555-00179735 the volume of applications is increasing eJUsq03YaOA-00781-00179736-00180016 so the team is the team is now you know eJUsq03YaOA-00782-00180017-00180125 screening eJUsq03YaOA-00783-00180126-00180376 hundreds of applications a quarter eJUsq03YaOA-00784-00180377-00180587 or a few hundred applications a quarter eJUsq03YaOA-00785-00180588-00180814 where they used to be screening 120 eJUsq03YaOA-00786-00180815-00180988 applications a quarter eJUsq03YaOA-00787-00180989-00181271 um and trying to find the trying to find eJUsq03YaOA-00788-00181272-00181438 the good projects in there the good eJUsq03YaOA-00789-00181439-00181709 teams uh is eJUsq03YaOA-00790-00181710-00181907 I guess increasingly difficult because eJUsq03YaOA-00791-00181908-00182164 it just starts to it just starts it can eJUsq03YaOA-00792-00182165-00182381 easily get lost in the noise eJUsq03YaOA-00793-00182382-00183437 um at various times eJUsq03YaOA-00794-00183438-00183652 so I won't go into too much on these so eJUsq03YaOA-00795-00183653-00183821 this is just the last a few set of eJUsq03YaOA-00796-00183822-00184151 slides so periodically uh the ESP does eJUsq03YaOA-00797-00184152-00184325 run targeted Grant rounds we do eJUsq03YaOA-00798-00184326-00184499 certainly support the other teams all of eJUsq03YaOA-00799-00184500-00184649 the other teams at the EF when they're eJUsq03YaOA-00800-00184650-00184804 when they're awarding grants or when eJUsq03YaOA-00801-00184805-00185009 they're running Grant rounds so Thor was eJUsq03YaOA-00802-00185010-00185254 talking about his rounds this morning or eJUsq03YaOA-00803-00185255-00185543 his grants this morning and you know so eJUsq03YaOA-00804-00185544-00185795 for for example we had a academic Grant eJUsq03YaOA-00805-00185796-00186047 round earlier in the year eJUsq03YaOA-00806-00186048-00186149 um eJUsq03YaOA-00807-00186150-00186466 the response was Far surpassed our eJUsq03YaOA-00808-00186467-00186671 expectations we ended up having to eJUsq03YaOA-00809-00186672-00187073 double the the budget uh for awards from eJUsq03YaOA-00810-00187074-00187273 what we were originally initiating or eJUsq03YaOA-00811-00187274-00187547 expecting so we ended up awarding 39 eJUsq03YaOA-00812-00187548-00187861 grants for 2 million dollars to uh eJUsq03YaOA-00813-00187862-00188159 researchers academics interns PhD eJUsq03YaOA-00814-00188160-00188387 students that kind of thing and there's eJUsq03YaOA-00815-00188388-00188519 going to be another academic round eJUsq03YaOA-00816-00188520-00188669 coming eJUsq03YaOA-00817-00188670-00188849 we haven't announced anything yet but eJUsq03YaOA-00818-00188850-00189076 probably January February of next year I eJUsq03YaOA-00819-00189077-00189323 think is is the current plan so if you eJUsq03YaOA-00820-00189324-00189581 know any researchers or eJUsq03YaOA-00821-00189582-00189845 then please pay attention to our blogs eJUsq03YaOA-00822-00189846-00190157 for that eJUsq03YaOA-00823-00190158-00190307 Danny was talking about this one eJUsq03YaOA-00824-00190308-00190649 yesterday the the merge data challenge eJUsq03YaOA-00825-00190650-00190901 so you know this one closes at the end eJUsq03YaOA-00826-00190902-00191249 of the month so again you can look that eJUsq03YaOA-00827-00191250-00191614 one up and apply eJUsq03YaOA-00828-00191615-00191861 we have the semaphore grants round that eJUsq03YaOA-00829-00191862-00192016 again Thor was talking about this eJUsq03YaOA-00830-00192017-00192126 morning eJUsq03YaOA-00831-00192127-00192407 it's uh wrapping up in in a few weeks as eJUsq03YaOA-00832-00192408-00192640 well so again eJUsq03YaOA-00833-00192641-00193090 please apply eJUsq03YaOA-00834-00193091-00193414 and I think that mostly wraps up my eJUsq03YaOA-00835-00193415-00193637 presentation so you know please stay in eJUsq03YaOA-00836-00193638-00193847 touch we do have a booth for the entire eJUsq03YaOA-00837-00193848-00193937 week eJUsq03YaOA-00838-00193938-00194261 so you can come and find us there will eJUsq03YaOA-00839-00194262-00194483 be someone from the ESP team there for eJUsq03YaOA-00840-00194484-00194681 you know all the time there's people out eJUsq03YaOA-00841-00194682-00194825 there helping us support it today while eJUsq03YaOA-00842-00194826-00195047 that while our team is in here eJUsq03YaOA-00843-00195048-00195304 um but yeah come by ask any questions eJUsq03YaOA-00844-00195305-00195485 you have if you want to just stop us eJUsq03YaOA-00845-00195486-00195616 while we're here stop me in the hall eJUsq03YaOA-00846-00195617-00195881 doesn't matter ask some questions we'd eJUsq03YaOA-00847-00195882-00196114 love to talk because you know we're not eJUsq03YaOA-00848-00196115-00196252 I think I might have said this earlier eJUsq03YaOA-00849-00196253-00196475 we're not here to tell anybody what eJUsq03YaOA-00850-00196476-00196678 needs what we want to see in an app what eJUsq03YaOA-00851-00196679-00196913 we want to see people applying for we eJUsq03YaOA-00852-00196914-00197038 actually want to hear from you as to eJUsq03YaOA-00853-00197039-00197225 what you want to apply for so we have eJUsq03YaOA-00854-00197226-00197483 General themes but you know the problems eJUsq03YaOA-00855-00197484-00197711 that need to be solved you're the boots eJUsq03YaOA-00856-00197712-00197873 on the ground trying to get these things eJUsq03YaOA-00857-00197874-00198125 done get the technology pushed forward eJUsq03YaOA-00858-00198126-00198293 and if there's any help that we can eJUsq03YaOA-00859-00198294-00199369 provide then by all means please ask eJUsq03YaOA-00860-00199370-00199619 we might have time for one or two eJUsq03YaOA-00861-00199620-00199745 questions and then we're going to have eJUsq03YaOA-00862-00199746-00200099 our web 3 is great panel so does anyone eJUsq03YaOA-00863-00200100-00200338 have a quick question eJUsq03YaOA-00864-00200339-00200573 down with another eJUsq03YaOA-00865-00200574-00200752 thank you thank you for the presentation eJUsq03YaOA-00866-00200753-00200987 we are going to look further into it eJUsq03YaOA-00867-00200988-00201137 because we really need a lot of help eJUsq03YaOA-00868-00201138-00201395 with our project I just have a question eJUsq03YaOA-00869-00201396-00201713 so in one of the slides you said that eJUsq03YaOA-00870-00201714-00201964 you stay away from Public Funding rounds eJUsq03YaOA-00871-00201965-00202240 so my question is if we took part to get eJUsq03YaOA-00872-00202241-00202457 congruents funding runs I was still eJUsq03YaOA-00873-00202458-00202854 eligible for a grant from the eJUsq03YaOA-00874-00202855-00203266 ESP well so I I think we'd have to look eJUsq03YaOA-00875-00203267-00203452 at the specifics eJUsq03YaOA-00876-00203453-00203590 um eJUsq03YaOA-00877-00203591-00203788 yeah I think that's that's maybe a eJUsq03YaOA-00878-00203789-00203885 little bit different eJUsq03YaOA-00879-00203886-00204071 right a Bitcoin a Bitcoin funding around eJUsq03YaOA-00880-00204072-00204221 Bitcoin is funding public goods eJUsq03YaOA-00881-00204222-00204371 activities as well so I think that would eJUsq03YaOA-00882-00204372-00204635 be that'd be something that um we would eJUsq03YaOA-00883-00204636-00204832 want to look at perhaps so it's not it's eJUsq03YaOA-00884-00204833-00205048 not an out right now I'd say if you're eJUsq03YaOA-00885-00205050-00205355 if you're issuing tokens eJUsq03YaOA-00886-00205356-00205594 if you have active VC rounds that that eJUsq03YaOA-00887-00205596-00205792 you're looking at then those ones are eJUsq03YaOA-00888-00205794-00206021 kind of off the table but uh yeah there eJUsq03YaOA-00889-00206021-00206098 might there might be extra eJUsq03YaOA-00890-00206100-00206248 considerations depending on the project eJUsq03YaOA-00891-00206250-00206416 and and what the impact of that project eJUsq03YaOA-00892-00206417-00206734 is intending to be eJUsq03YaOA-00893-00206735-00206953 you know eJUsq03YaOA-00894-00206954-00207125 thank you eJUsq03YaOA-00895-00207126-00207292 um hello my name is sunny I'm wondering eJUsq03YaOA-00896-00207294-00207496 what kind of grant opportunities do you eJUsq03YaOA-00897-00207498-00207707 have for inclusion and diversity eJUsq03YaOA-00898-00207708-00208186 initiatives in the space eJUsq03YaOA-00899-00208187-00208582 any opportunity that you want to propose eJUsq03YaOA-00900-00208583-00208762 I think would be would be my response I eJUsq03YaOA-00901-00208763-00209098 think that it we have run certainly eJUsq03YaOA-00902-00209100-00209416 sponsorships we have explicitly eJUsq03YaOA-00903-00209417-00209717 sponsored events where that's the focus eJUsq03YaOA-00904-00209717-00210053 um right whether it's whether it's eJUsq03YaOA-00905-00210054-00210196 um you know just trying to get more eJUsq03YaOA-00906-00210198-00210353 women into the group or whether it's eJUsq03YaOA-00907-00210354-00210532 trying to find other under other eJUsq03YaOA-00908-00210533-00210815 underserved communities eJUsq03YaOA-00909-00210816-00211073 um to get into to get into ethereum and eJUsq03YaOA-00910-00211073-00211331 to help educate in in those areas so eJUsq03YaOA-00911-00211332-00211601 yeah so it's certainly I can't say what eJUsq03YaOA-00912-00211602-00211805 there's there's no specific opportunity eJUsq03YaOA-00913-00211806-00212141 we're open to all to all suggestions and eJUsq03YaOA-00914-00212142-00212504 all proposals okay thank you eL4GS6Zu_bE-00000-00000338-00001491 [Music] eL4GS6Zu_bE-00001-00001492-00001670 three eL4GS6Zu_bE-00002-00001671-00002831 [Music] eL4GS6Zu_bE-00003-00002832-00003036 six yes come on eL4GS6Zu_bE-00004-00003037-00005179 [Music] eL4GS6Zu_bE-00005-00005180-00005683 [Music] eL4GS6Zu_bE-00006-00005684-00005807 um eL4GS6Zu_bE-00007-00005808-00005861 [Applause] eL4GS6Zu_bE-00008-00005862-00006422 [Music] eL4GS6Zu_bE-00009-00006423-00006814 three make it nice four good eL4GS6Zu_bE-00010-00006815-00007319 five nice six eL4GS6Zu_bE-00011-00007320-00007719 good four whoops balance eL4GS6Zu_bE-00012-00007720-00008264 five six yes eMGoPdrYme0-00000-00000050-00000284 positive Liberty is the possession of eMGoPdrYme0-00001-00000285-00000494 the capacity to act upon one's free will eMGoPdrYme0-00002-00000495-00000713 as opposed to negative Liberty which is eMGoPdrYme0-00003-00000714-00000902 freedom from external restraint on one's eMGoPdrYme0-00004-00000902-00001211 actions a concept of positive Liberty eMGoPdrYme0-00005-00001212-00001408 may also include freedom from internal eMGoPdrYme0-00006-00001409-00001627 constraints the concepts of structure eMGoPdrYme0-00007-00001628-00001847 and agency are central to the concept of eMGoPdrYme0-00008-00001848-00002051 positive Liberty because in order to be eMGoPdrYme0-00009-00002052-00002222 free a person should be free from eMGoPdrYme0-00010-00002223-00002423 inhibitions of the social structure and eMGoPdrYme0-00011-00002424-00002575 carrying out their free will eMGoPdrYme0-00012-00002576-00002846 structurally classism sexism ageism eMGoPdrYme0-00013-00002847-00003089 ableism and racism can inhibit a eMGoPdrYme0-00014-00003090-00003365 person's freedom as positive Liberty is eMGoPdrYme0-00015-00003365-00003542 primarily concerned with the possession eMGoPdrYme0-00016-00003543-00003818 of sociological agency it is enhanced by eMGoPdrYme0-00017-00003819-00003979 the ability of citizens to participate eMGoPdrYme0-00018-00003980-00004169 in government and have their voices eMGoPdrYme0-00019-00004170-00004424 interests and concerns recognized and eMGoPdrYme0-00020-00004425-00004525 acted upon eMGoPdrYme0-00021-00004526-00004826 although Isaiah Berlin's essay two eMGoPdrYme0-00022-00004827-00005201 concepts of Liberty 1958 is typically eMGoPdrYme0-00023-00005202-00005408 acknowledged as the first to explicitly eMGoPdrYme0-00024-00005409-00005572 draw the distinction between positive eMGoPdrYme0-00025-00005573-00005786 and negative Liberty Frankfurt School eMGoPdrYme0-00026-00005787-00006017 psychoanalyst and Marxist humanistic eMGoPdrYme0-00027-00006018-00006229 philosopher Erich Fromm drew a similar eMGoPdrYme0-00028-00006230-00006379 distinction between negative and eMGoPdrYme0-00029-00006380-00006592 positive freedom in the fear of freedom eMGoPdrYme0-00030-00006593-00006887 1941 predating Berlin's essay by more eMGoPdrYme0-00031-00006888-00007259 than a decade eMGoPdrYme0-00032-00007261-00007758 topic overview eMGoPdrYme0-00033-00007759-00007970 the word liberty can refer to many eMGoPdrYme0-00034-00007972-00008217 things but Isaiah Berlin recognized two eMGoPdrYme0-00035-00008218-00008508 main types of Liberty Berlin described a eMGoPdrYme0-00036-00008509-00008777 statement such as I am slave to no man eMGoPdrYme0-00037-00008778-00009024 as one of negative Liberty that is eMGoPdrYme0-00038-00009025-00009246 freedom from another individuals direct eMGoPdrYme0-00039-00009247-00009516 interference he contrasted this with a eMGoPdrYme0-00040-00009517-00009771 positive freedom statement such as I am eMGoPdrYme0-00041-00009772-00010052 my own master which lays claim to a eMGoPdrYme0-00042-00010053-00010251 freedom to choose one's own pursuits in eMGoPdrYme0-00043-00010252-00010446 life Charles Taylor sees negative eMGoPdrYme0-00044-00010447-00010773 freedom as an opportunity concept one eMGoPdrYme0-00045-00010774-00010988 possesses negative freedom if one is not eMGoPdrYme0-00046-00010989-00011210 enslaved by external forces and has eMGoPdrYme0-00047-00011211-00011410 equal access to a society's resources eMGoPdrYme0-00048-00011411-00011652 regardless of how one decides to spend eMGoPdrYme0-00049-00011653-00011930 their time positive freedom says Taylor eMGoPdrYme0-00050-00011931-00012278 is an Exercise concept possessing it eMGoPdrYme0-00051-00012279-00012458 might mean that one is not internally eMGoPdrYme0-00052-00012459-00012635 constrained one must be able to act eMGoPdrYme0-00053-00012636-00012764 according to their highest self eMGoPdrYme0-00054-00012765-00013044 according to reason suppose a rich and eMGoPdrYme0-00055-00013044-00013247 powerful actor is also a drug addict eMGoPdrYme0-00056-00013248-00013466 this actor may possess a great deal of eMGoPdrYme0-00057-00013468-00013653 negative Liberty but very little eMGoPdrYme0-00058-00013654-00013944 positive Liberty according to Taylor by eMGoPdrYme0-00059-00013944-00014150 Taylor's definitions positive freedom eMGoPdrYme0-00060-00014151-00014346 entails being in a mature state of eMGoPdrYme0-00061-00014347-00014547 decision-making free of internal or eMGoPdrYme0-00062-00014547-00014813 external restraints eg weakness fear eMGoPdrYme0-00063-00014815-00015255 ignorance etc eMGoPdrYme0-00064-00015256-00015912 topic history jean-jacques Rousseau's eMGoPdrYme0-00065-00015913-00016101 theory of freedom according to which eMGoPdrYme0-00066-00016102-00016275 individual freedom is achieved through eMGoPdrYme0-00067-00016276-00016476 participation in the process whereby eMGoPdrYme0-00068-00016477-00016694 one's community exercises collective eMGoPdrYme0-00069-00016695-00016854 control over its own affairs in eMGoPdrYme0-00070-00016855-00017151 accordance with the general will some eMGoPdrYme0-00071-00017152-00017369 interpret the social contract to suggest eMGoPdrYme0-00072-00017370-00017553 that Rousseau believed that liberty was eMGoPdrYme0-00073-00017554-00017769 the power of individual citizens to act eMGoPdrYme0-00074-00017770-00017949 in the government to bring about changes eMGoPdrYme0-00075-00017950-00018119 this is essentially the power for eMGoPdrYme0-00076-00018120-00018396 self-governance in democracy Rousseau eMGoPdrYme0-00077-00018397-00018612 himself said the mere impulse to eMGoPdrYme0-00078-00018613-00018875 appetite is slavery while obedience to eMGoPdrYme0-00079-00018876-00019144 law we prescribed ourselves as Liberty eMGoPdrYme0-00080-00019145-00019416 for Rousseau the passage from the state eMGoPdrYme0-00081-00019417-00019629 of nature to the civil state substitutes eMGoPdrYme0-00082-00019630-00019833 justice for instinct gives his actions eMGoPdrYme0-00083-00019834-00020060 the morality they had formerly lacked g eMGoPdrYme0-00084-00020061-00020346 fw Hagel wrote in his elements of the eMGoPdrYme0-00085-00020347-00020535 philosophy of right in the part in which eMGoPdrYme0-00086-00020536-00020724 he introduced the concept of the sphere eMGoPdrYme0-00087-00020725-00020952 of abstract right that Duty is not a eMGoPdrYme0-00088-00020953-00021162 restriction on freedom but only on eMGoPdrYme0-00089-00021163-00021494 freedom in the abstract and that Duty is eMGoPdrYme0-00090-00021495-00021653 the attainment of our essence the eMGoPdrYme0-00091-00021654-00022165 winning of positive freedom eMGoPdrYme0-00092-00022166-00022680 topic examples eMGoPdrYme0-00093-00022681-00022917 in a description of positive Liberty eMGoPdrYme0-00094-00022918-00023091 from the Stanford encyclopedia of eMGoPdrYme0-00095-00023092-00023421 philosophy put in the simplest terms one eMGoPdrYme0-00096-00023422-00023630 might say that a democratic society is a eMGoPdrYme0-00097-00023631-00023793 free society because it is a eMGoPdrYme0-00098-00023794-00023985 self-determined Society and that a eMGoPdrYme0-00099-00023986-00024171 member of that society is free to the eMGoPdrYme0-00100-00024172-00024366 extent that he or she participates in eMGoPdrYme0-00101-00024367-00024621 its democratic process but there are eMGoPdrYme0-00102-00024622-00024840 also individualist applications of the eMGoPdrYme0-00103-00024841-00025130 concept of positive freedom for example eMGoPdrYme0-00104-00025131-00025319 it is sometimes said that a government eMGoPdrYme0-00105-00025320-00025458 should aim actively to create the eMGoPdrYme0-00106-00025459-00025670 conditions necessary for individuals to eMGoPdrYme0-00107-00025672-00025847 be self-sufficient or to achieve eMGoPdrYme0-00108-00025848-00026177 self-realization in recovering the eMGoPdrYme0-00109-00026179-00026451 social contract Ron Replogle made a eMGoPdrYme0-00110-00026452-00026604 metaphor that is helpful in eMGoPdrYme0-00111-00026605-00026874 understanding positive Liberty surely it eMGoPdrYme0-00112-00026875-00027140 is no assault on my dignity as a person eMGoPdrYme0-00113-00027141-00027377 if you take my car keys against my will eMGoPdrYme0-00114-00027379-00027561 when I have had too much to drink eMGoPdrYme0-00115-00027562-00027833 there is nothing paradoxical about eMGoPdrYme0-00116-00027835-00028080 making an agreement beforehand providing eMGoPdrYme0-00117-00028081-00028280 for paternalistic supervision in eMGoPdrYme0-00118-00028281-00028506 circumstances when our competence is eMGoPdrYme0-00119-00028507-00028824 open to doubt in this sense positive eMGoPdrYme0-00120-00028825-00028995 Liberty is the adherence to a set of eMGoPdrYme0-00121-00028995-00029181 rules agreed upon by all parties eMGoPdrYme0-00122-00029182-00029448 involved should the rules be altered all eMGoPdrYme0-00123-00029449-00029639 parties involved must agree upon the eMGoPdrYme0-00124-00029641-00029949 changes therefore positive Liberty is a eMGoPdrYme0-00125-00029950-00030213 contractarian philosophy however Isaiah eMGoPdrYme0-00126-00030214-00030408 Berlin opposed any suggestion that eMGoPdrYme0-00127-00030408-00030608 paternalism and positive Liberty could eMGoPdrYme0-00128-00030610-00030870 be equivalent he stated that positive eMGoPdrYme0-00129-00030870-00031026 Liberty could only apply when the eMGoPdrYme0-00130-00031027-00031220 withdrawal of Liberty from an individual eMGoPdrYme0-00131-00031222-00031350 was in pursuit of a choice that eMGoPdrYme0-00132-00031351-00031581 individual himself/herself made not a eMGoPdrYme0-00133-00031582-00031796 general principle of society or any eMGoPdrYme0-00134-00031797-00032064 other person's opinion in the case where eMGoPdrYme0-00135-00032064-00032268 a person removes a driver's car keys eMGoPdrYme0-00136-00032269-00032433 against their will because they have had eMGoPdrYme0-00137-00032433-00032621 too much to drink this constitutes eMGoPdrYme0-00138-00032622-00032835 positive freedom only if the driver has eMGoPdrYme0-00139-00032836-00033021 made of their own free will an earlier eMGoPdrYme0-00140-00033022-00033177 decision not to drive drunk eMGoPdrYme0-00141-00033178-00033432 thus by removing the keys the other eMGoPdrYme0-00142-00033433-00033651 person facilitates this decision and eMGoPdrYme0-00143-00033652-00033815 ensures that it will be upheld in the eMGoPdrYme0-00144-00033816-00034086 face of paradoxical behavior ie drinking eMGoPdrYme0-00145-00034087-00034338 by the driver for the remover to remove eMGoPdrYme0-00146-00034339-00034512 the keys in the absence of such an eMGoPdrYme0-00147-00034513-00034713 expressed intent by the driver because eMGoPdrYme0-00148-00034714-00034887 the remover feels that the driver ought eMGoPdrYme0-00149-00034888-00035100 not to drive drunk is paternalism and eMGoPdrYme0-00150-00035101-00035286 not positive freedom by Berlin's eMGoPdrYme0-00151-00035287-00035469 definition Erich Fromm sees the eMGoPdrYme0-00152-00035470-00035633 distinction between the two types of eMGoPdrYme0-00153-00035634-00035823 freedom emerging alongside humanity's eMGoPdrYme0-00154-00035824-00035994 evolution away from the instinctual eMGoPdrYme0-00155-00035995-00036073 activity eMGoPdrYme0-00156-00036074-00036262 that characterizes lower animal forms eMGoPdrYme0-00157-00036263-00036615 this aspect of freedom he argues is here eMGoPdrYme0-00158-00036616-00036817 used not in its positive sense of eMGoPdrYme0-00159-00036818-00037051 freedom - but in its negative sense of eMGoPdrYme0-00160-00037052-00037237 freedom from namely freedom from eMGoPdrYme0-00161-00037238-00037515 instinctual determination of his actions eMGoPdrYme0-00162-00037516-00037818 for from freedom from animal instinct eMGoPdrYme0-00163-00037819-00038017 implicitly implies that survival now eMGoPdrYme0-00164-00038018-00038193 hinges on the necessity of charting eMGoPdrYme0-00165-00038194-00038424 one's own course he relates this eMGoPdrYme0-00166-00038425-00038611 distinction to the biblical story of eMGoPdrYme0-00167-00038612-00038926 man's expulsion from Eden acting against eMGoPdrYme0-00168-00038927-00039133 God's orders means freeing himself from eMGoPdrYme0-00169-00039134-00039312 coercion emerging from the unconscious eMGoPdrYme0-00170-00039313-00039537 existence of pre human life to the level eMGoPdrYme0-00171-00039538-00039783 of man acting against the command of eMGoPdrYme0-00172-00039784-00039987 authority committing a sin is in its eMGoPdrYme0-00173-00039988-00040210 positive human aspect the first act of eMGoPdrYme0-00174-00040211-00040602 freedom he is free from the bondage of eMGoPdrYme0-00175-00040603-00040795 paradise but he is not free to govern eMGoPdrYme0-00176-00040796-00041058 himself to realize his individuality eMGoPdrYme0-00177-00041059-00041343 positive freedom from maintains comes eMGoPdrYme0-00178-00041344-00041476 through the actualization of eMGoPdrYme0-00179-00041477-00041655 individuality and balance with the eMGoPdrYme0-00180-00041656-00041920 separation from the whole solidarity eMGoPdrYme0-00181-00041921-00042199 with all men United not by instinctual eMGoPdrYme0-00182-00042200-00042421 or predetermined ties but on the basis eMGoPdrYme0-00183-00042422-00042876 of a freedom founded on reason eMGoPdrYme0-00184-00042877-00043394 topic C also eMGoPdrYme0-00185-00043395-00043754 mutual liberty negative and positive eMGoPdrYme0-00186-00043755-00044147 rights real freedom rule according to eMGoPdrYme0-00187-00044148-00044474 higher law the trap TV documentary eMGoPdrYme0-00188-00044475-00044826 series eMGoPdrYme0-00189-00044827-00045390 topic references eMGoPdrYme0-00190-00045391-00045906 topic further reading eMGoPdrYme0-00191-00045907-00046375 machan Tibor 2008 positive Liberty eMGoPdrYme0-00192-00046376-00046612 Hamoui Ronald the Encyclopedia of eMGoPdrYme0-00193-00046613-00046927 libertarianism Thousand Oaks CA sage eMGoPdrYme0-00194-00046928-00047500 Cato Institute pp 383 285 joy ten point eMGoPdrYme0-00195-00047501-00047848 four one three five nine trillion 781 eMGoPdrYme0-00196-00047849-00048082 billion four hundred twelve million nine eMGoPdrYme0-00197-00048083-00048262 hundred sixty-five thousand eight eMGoPdrYme0-00198-00048263-00048727 hundred eleven and 236 ISBN nine seven eMGoPdrYme0-00199-00048728-00049006 eight one four one two nine six five eMGoPdrYme0-00200-00049007-00049372 eight oh four LCCC and two billion eight eMGoPdrYme0-00201-00049373-00049564 million nine thousand one hundred fifty eMGoPdrYme0-00202-00049565-00049960 one OCLC 750 million eight hundred eMGoPdrYme0-00203-00049961-00050305 thirty one thousand twenty-four niklas eMGoPdrYme0-00204-00050306-00050770 dent Rousso rout Lidge 2005 eN22YPDopzc-00000-00000056-00000286 anarchist economics is the set of eN22YPDopzc-00001-00000287-00000479 theories and practices of economic eN22YPDopzc-00002-00000480-00000695 activity within the political philosophy eN22YPDopzc-00003-00000696-00000958 of anarchism with the exception of eN22YPDopzc-00004-00000959-00001157 anarcho-capitalists who accept private eN22YPDopzc-00005-00001158-00001331 ownership of the means of production and eN22YPDopzc-00006-00001332-00001636 are Kassar anti capitalists they argue eN22YPDopzc-00007-00001637-00001832 that its characteristic institutions eN22YPDopzc-00008-00001832-00002054 promote and reproduce various forms of eN22YPDopzc-00009-00002055-00002252 economic activity which they consider eN22YPDopzc-00010-00002253-00002465 oppressive including private property eN22YPDopzc-00011-00002466-00002642 hierarchical production relations eN22YPDopzc-00012-00002643-00002834 collecting rents from private property eN22YPDopzc-00013-00002835-00003056 taking a profit in exchanges in eN22YPDopzc-00014-00003057-00003284 collecting interest on loans they eN22YPDopzc-00015-00003285-00003452 generally endorse possession based eN22YPDopzc-00016-00003453-00004009 ownership rather than proper terian ism eN22YPDopzc-00017-00004010-00004526 topic historical overview eN22YPDopzc-00018-00004527-00005029 topic early views eN22YPDopzc-00019-00005030-00005257 the early English anarchist William eN22YPDopzc-00020-00005258-00005455 Godwin's views on economics could be eN22YPDopzc-00021-00005456-00005578 summarized as follows eN22YPDopzc-00022-00005579-00005871 h e-- envisages the possibility of eN22YPDopzc-00023-00005872-00006109 specialization in the various crafts eN22YPDopzc-00024-00006110-00006297 which would lead to a man's following eN22YPDopzc-00025-00006298-00006472 the tasks for which he had the greatest eN22YPDopzc-00026-00006473-00006712 aptitude and distributing his surplus eN22YPDopzc-00027-00006713-00006886 products to whoever may need them eN22YPDopzc-00028-00006887-00007108 receiving what he himself needs of other eN22YPDopzc-00029-00007109-00007333 things from the surplus produced by his eN22YPDopzc-00030-00007334-00007540 neighbors but always on the basis of eN22YPDopzc-00031-00007541-00007879 free distribution not of exchange it is eN22YPDopzc-00032-00007880-00008116 evident that despite his speculations on eN22YPDopzc-00033-00008117-00008260 the future of machinery eN22YPDopzc-00034-00008261-00008515 Godwin's ideal society is based on the eN22YPDopzc-00035-00008516-00008796 economics of handcrafts and cultivation eN22YPDopzc-00036-00008797-00009091 for the influential german individualist eN22YPDopzc-00037-00009092-00009271 anarchist philosopher max Stirner eN22YPDopzc-00038-00009272-00009624 private property as a spook which lives eN22YPDopzc-00039-00009625-00009921 by the grace of law and it becomes mine eN22YPDopzc-00040-00009922-00010192 only by effect of the law quote . in eN22YPDopzc-00041-00010193-00010456 other words private property exists eN22YPDopzc-00042-00010457-00010696 purely through the protection of the eN22YPDopzc-00043-00010697-00010949 state through the state's grace quote . eN22YPDopzc-00044-00010950-00011146 recognising its need for state eN22YPDopzc-00045-00011147-00011433 protection sterner is also aware that i eN22YPDopzc-00046-00011434-00011730 t need not make any difference to the eN22YPDopzc-00047-00011731-00011913 good citizens who protects them in their eN22YPDopzc-00048-00011914-00012124 principles whether an absolute king or a eN22YPDopzc-00049-00012125-00012369 constitutional one a republic if only eN22YPDopzc-00050-00012370-00012577 they are protected and what is their eN22YPDopzc-00051-00012578-00012763 principal whose protector they always eN22YPDopzc-00052-00012764-00013080 love not that of labour rather it is eN22YPDopzc-00053-00013081-00013483 interest bearing possession laboring eN22YPDopzc-00054-00013484-00013861 capital therefore labour certainly yet eN22YPDopzc-00055-00013862-00014058 little or none at all of one's own but eN22YPDopzc-00056-00014059-00014247 labour of capital and of the subject eN22YPDopzc-00057-00014249-00014497 laborers pierre-joseph Proudhon was eN22YPDopzc-00058-00014497-00014730 involved with the liens mutualists and eN22YPDopzc-00059-00014731-00014947 later adopted the name to describe his eN22YPDopzc-00060-00014947-00015255 own teachings in what does mutualism eN22YPDopzc-00061-00015256-00015451 Clarence Lee Swartz gives his own eN22YPDopzc-00062-00015452-00015622 account of the origin of the term eN22YPDopzc-00063-00015622-00016129 claiming that T keyword mutualism seems eN22YPDopzc-00064-00016130-00016336 to have been first used by John Gray an eN22YPDopzc-00065-00016337-00016711 English writer in 1832 proudhon opposed eN22YPDopzc-00066-00016712-00016882 government privilege that protects eN22YPDopzc-00067-00016883-00017110 capitalist banking and land interests as eN22YPDopzc-00068-00017111-00017326 well as the accumulation or acquisition eN22YPDopzc-00069-00017327-00017544 of property in any form of coercion that eN22YPDopzc-00070-00017545-00017704 led to it which he believed hampers eN22YPDopzc-00071-00017705-00017878 competition and keeps wealth in the eN22YPDopzc-00072-00017879-00018083 hands of the few eN22YPDopzc-00073-00018084-00018332 proudhon favored a right of individuals eN22YPDopzc-00074-00018333-00018518 to retain the product of their labor as eN22YPDopzc-00075-00018519-00018710 their own property but believed that any eN22YPDopzc-00076-00018711-00018917 property beyond that which an individual eN22YPDopzc-00077-00018918-00019058 produced and could possess was eN22YPDopzc-00078-00019059-00019297 illegitimate he thus sought private eN22YPDopzc-00079-00019298-00019502 property as both essential to Liberty eN22YPDopzc-00080-00019503-00019708 and erode to tyranny the former when it eN22YPDopzc-00081-00019709-00019892 resulted from labour and was required eN22YPDopzc-00082-00019893-00020044 for labour in the latter when it eN22YPDopzc-00083-00020045-00020305 resulted in exploitation profit interest eN22YPDopzc-00084-00020306-00020585 rent and tax he generally called the eN22YPDopzc-00085-00020586-00020836 former possession and the latter eN22YPDopzc-00086-00020837-00021152 property for large-scale industry eN22YPDopzc-00087-00021153-00021368 he supported workers associations to eN22YPDopzc-00088-00021369-00021547 replace wage labor and opposed the eN22YPDopzc-00089-00021548-00021853 ownership of land Josiah Warren is eN22YPDopzc-00090-00021854-00022064 widely regarded as the first American eN22YPDopzc-00091-00022065-00022280 anarchist and the four-page weekly paper eN22YPDopzc-00092-00022281-00022555 he edited during 1833 the peaceful eN22YPDopzc-00093-00022556-00022757 revolutionist was the first anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00094-00022758-00023036 periodical published Warren termed the eN22YPDopzc-00095-00023037-00023425 phrase cost the limit of price with cost eN22YPDopzc-00096-00023426-00023690 here referring not to monetary price eN22YPDopzc-00097-00023691-00023878 paid but the labor one exerted to eN22YPDopzc-00098-00023879-00024247 produce an item therefore h proposed a eN22YPDopzc-00099-00024248-00024472 system to pay people with certificates eN22YPDopzc-00100-00024473-00024694 indicating how many hours of work they eN22YPDopzc-00101-00024695-00024962 did they could exchange the notes at eN22YPDopzc-00102-00024963-00025178 local time stores for goods that took eN22YPDopzc-00103-00025179-00025428 the same amount of time to produce eN22YPDopzc-00104-00025429-00025688 Warren put his theories to the test by eN22YPDopzc-00105-00025689-00025943 establishing an experimental labor for eN22YPDopzc-00106-00025944-00026200 labor store called the Cincinnati time eN22YPDopzc-00107-00026201-00026414 store where trade was facilitated by eN22YPDopzc-00108-00026414-00026576 notes backed by a promise to perform eN22YPDopzc-00109-00026577-00026890 labor the store proved successful and eN22YPDopzc-00110-00026891-00027095 operated for three years after which it eN22YPDopzc-00111-00027095-00027277 was closed so that Warren could pursue eN22YPDopzc-00112-00027278-00027520 establishing colonies based on mutualism eN22YPDopzc-00113-00027522-00027808 these included utopia and modern times eN22YPDopzc-00114-00027808-00028076 Warren said that Steven Pearl Andrews eN22YPDopzc-00115-00028077-00028364 the science of society published in 1852 eN22YPDopzc-00116-00028364-00028562 was the most lucid and complete eN22YPDopzc-00117-00028563-00028769 exposition of Warren's own theories in eN22YPDopzc-00118-00028770-00028973 Europe and early and narco communists eN22YPDopzc-00119-00028974-00029180 was Joseph de Jacques the first person eN22YPDopzc-00120-00029181-00029433 to describe himself as libertarian eN22YPDopzc-00121-00029435-00029702 unlike and against proudhon he argued eN22YPDopzc-00122-00029702-00029930 that it is not the product of his or her eN22YPDopzc-00123-00029931-00030179 labor that the worker has a right to but eN22YPDopzc-00124-00030180-00030380 to the satisfaction of his or her needs eN22YPDopzc-00125-00030381-00030739 whatever may be their nature returning eN22YPDopzc-00126-00030741-00030958 to New York he was able to serialize his eN22YPDopzc-00127-00030959-00031226 book in his periodical a libertarian du eN22YPDopzc-00128-00031227-00031495 movement social published in 20 eN22YPDopzc-00129-00031496-00031744 seven issues from the ninth of June 1858 eN22YPDopzc-00130-00031745-00032082 to the 4th of February 1861 the eN22YPDopzc-00131-00032083-00032314 libertarian Arco communist Journal eN22YPDopzc-00132-00032315-00032745 published in the United States eN22YPDopzc-00133-00032745-00033072 topic economics in organized mass social eN22YPDopzc-00134-00033073-00033467 anarchism eN22YPDopzc-00135-00033468-00033704 the anti-authoritarian sections of the eN22YPDopzc-00136-00033705-00033890 first international proclaimed at the eN22YPDopzc-00137-00033891-00034199 st. I'm yer Congress 1872 that the eN22YPDopzc-00138-00034200-00034442 aspirations of the proletariat can have eN22YPDopzc-00139-00034443-00034664 no purpose other than the establishment eN22YPDopzc-00140-00034665-00034862 of an absolutely free economic eN22YPDopzc-00141-00034863-00035111 organization and Federation founded upon eN22YPDopzc-00142-00035112-00035336 the labor and equality of all an eN22YPDopzc-00143-00035337-00035552 absolutely independent of all political eN22YPDopzc-00144-00035553-00035858 government in which each worker will eN22YPDopzc-00145-00035859-00036068 have the right to the enjoyment of the eN22YPDopzc-00146-00036069-00036296 gross product of his Labor's and thereby eN22YPDopzc-00147-00036297-00036470 the means of developing his full eN22YPDopzc-00148-00036471-00036740 intellectual material and moral powers eN22YPDopzc-00149-00036741-00037007 in a collective setting this eN22YPDopzc-00150-00037008-00037283 revolutionary transformation cut only be eN22YPDopzc-00151-00037284-00037523 the outcome of the spontaneous action of eN22YPDopzc-00152-00037524-00037742 the proletariat itself it's trades eN22YPDopzc-00153-00037743-00038114 bodies and the autonomous communes due eN22YPDopzc-00154-00038115-00038318 to its links to active workers movements eN22YPDopzc-00155-00038319-00038525 the International became a significant eN22YPDopzc-00156-00038526-00038810 organization Karl Marx became a leading eN22YPDopzc-00157-00038811-00039011 figure in the International and a member eN22YPDopzc-00158-00039012-00039260 of its General Council proud Hans eN22YPDopzc-00159-00039261-00039515 followers the mutualists opposed Marxist eN22YPDopzc-00160-00039516-00039737 state socialism advocating political eN22YPDopzc-00161-00039738-00039932 abstention ISM and small property eN22YPDopzc-00162-00039933-00040175 holdings in 1868 following their eN22YPDopzc-00163-00040176-00040387 unsuccessful participation in the League eN22YPDopzc-00164-00040388-00040612 of Peace and Freedom LPF Russian eN22YPDopzc-00165-00040613-00040823 revolutionary Mikhail Bakunin and his eN22YPDopzc-00166-00040824-00041045 collectivist anarchist associates joined eN22YPDopzc-00167-00041046-00041201 the first international which had eN22YPDopzc-00168-00041202-00041421 decided not to get involved with the LPF eN22YPDopzc-00169-00041422-00041642 they allied themselves with the eN22YPDopzc-00170-00041643-00041825 Federalist socialist sections of the eN22YPDopzc-00171-00041826-00041987 International who advocated the eN22YPDopzc-00172-00041988-00042190 revolutionary overthrow of the state and eN22YPDopzc-00173-00042191-00042387 the collectivization of property a eN22YPDopzc-00174-00042388-00042623 similar position was adopted by the eN22YPDopzc-00175-00042624-00042848 workers Federation of the Spanish region eN22YPDopzc-00176-00042849-00043124 in 1882 as articulated by anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00177-00043125-00043343 veteran of the first international Josef eN22YPDopzc-00178-00043344-00043525 Luna's I Pujols in his essay eN22YPDopzc-00179-00043526-00043864 collectivism the collectivist anarchists eN22YPDopzc-00180-00043865-00044077 advocated remuneration for the type and eN22YPDopzc-00181-00044078-00044221 amount of labour adhering to the eN22YPDopzc-00182-00044222-00044487 principle to each according to deeds and eN22YPDopzc-00183-00044488-00044780 narco communism as a coherent modern eN22YPDopzc-00184-00044781-00045014 economic political philosophy was first eN22YPDopzc-00185-00045015-00045239 formulated in the Italian section of the eN22YPDopzc-00186-00045240-00045470 first international by Carlo Cafiero eN22YPDopzc-00187-00045471-00045767 Emilio Covelli Eriko Malatesta Andrea eN22YPDopzc-00188-00045768-00046007 Costa and other exmas Eemian Republicans eN22YPDopzc-00189-00046008-00046270 out of respect for Mikhail Bakunin eN22YPDopzc-00190-00046271-00046433 they did not make their differences with eN22YPDopzc-00191-00046434-00046645 collectivist anarchism explicit until eN22YPDopzc-00192-00046646-00046800 after Bakunin death eN22YPDopzc-00193-00046801-00047007 the collectivist anarchists ought to eN22YPDopzc-00194-00047008-00047181 collectivise ownership of the means of eN22YPDopzc-00195-00047182-00047352 production while retaining payment eN22YPDopzc-00196-00047353-00047532 proportional to the amount and kind of eN22YPDopzc-00197-00047533-00047748 labor of each individual but the anarcho eN22YPDopzc-00198-00047749-00047946 communists ought to extend the concept eN22YPDopzc-00199-00047947-00048123 of collective ownership to the products eN22YPDopzc-00200-00048124-00048366 of labour as well while both groups eN22YPDopzc-00201-00048367-00048597 argued against capitalism the anarcho eN22YPDopzc-00202-00048598-00048795 communists departed from Proudhon and eN22YPDopzc-00203-00048796-00048993 bakunin who maintained that individuals eN22YPDopzc-00204-00048994-00049134 have a right to the product of their eN22YPDopzc-00205-00049135-00049290 individual labor and to be remunerated eN22YPDopzc-00206-00049291-00049506 for their particular contribution to eN22YPDopzc-00207-00049507-00049800 production as Eriko Malatesta put it eN22YPDopzc-00208-00049801-00050037 instead of running the risk of making a eN22YPDopzc-00209-00050038-00050262 confusion in trying to distinguish what eN22YPDopzc-00210-00050263-00050502 you and i each do let us all work and eN22YPDopzc-00211-00050503-00050784 put everything in common in this way eN22YPDopzc-00212-00050785-00051021 each will give to society all that his eN22YPDopzc-00213-00051022-00051198 strength permits until enough is eN22YPDopzc-00214-00051199-00051408 produced for everyone and each will take eN22YPDopzc-00215-00051409-00051624 all that he needs limiting his needs eN22YPDopzc-00216-00051625-00051807 only in those things of which there is eN22YPDopzc-00217-00051808-00052149 not yet plenty for everyone by the early eN22YPDopzc-00218-00052150-00052391 1880s most of the European anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00219-00052392-00052509 movement had adopted an eN22YPDopzc-00220-00052510-00052752 anarcho-communism advocating the eN22YPDopzc-00221-00052753-00052977 abolition of wage labor and distribution eN22YPDopzc-00222-00052978-00053090 according to need eN22YPDopzc-00223-00053091-00053460 ironically the collectivist label then eN22YPDopzc-00224-00053461-00053649 became more commonly associated with eN22YPDopzc-00225-00053650-00053867 Marxist state socialists who advocated eN22YPDopzc-00226-00053869-00054039 the retention of some sort of wage eN22YPDopzc-00227-00054040-00054222 system during the transition to full eN22YPDopzc-00228-00054223-00054491 communism and narco communist Peter eN22YPDopzc-00229-00054492-00054696 Kropotkin attacked this position in his eN22YPDopzc-00230-00054697-00054963 essay the collectivist wages system eN22YPDopzc-00231-00054964-00055176 which was reprinted in his book the eN22YPDopzc-00232-00055177-00055509 conquest of bread in 1892 Cafiero eN22YPDopzc-00233-00055510-00055815 explains in anarchy and communism 1880 eN22YPDopzc-00234-00055816-00056028 that private property in the product of eN22YPDopzc-00235-00056029-00056238 labor will lead to unequal accumulation eN22YPDopzc-00236-00056239-00056379 of capital and therefore the eN22YPDopzc-00237-00056379-00056574 reappearance of social classes and their eN22YPDopzc-00238-00056575-00056792 antagonisms and thus the resurrection of eN22YPDopzc-00239-00056794-00057027 the state if we preserve the individual eN22YPDopzc-00240-00057028-00057222 appropriation of the products of labour eN22YPDopzc-00241-00057223-00057438 we would be forced to preserve money eN22YPDopzc-00242-00057439-00057672 leaving more or less accumulation of eN22YPDopzc-00243-00057673-00057885 wealth according to more or less merit eN22YPDopzc-00244-00057886-00058215 rather than need of individuals at the eN22YPDopzc-00245-00058216-00058391 Florence conference of the Italian eN22YPDopzc-00246-00058392-00058679 Federation of the International in 1876 eN22YPDopzc-00247-00058680-00058914 held in a forest outside Florence due to eN22YPDopzc-00248-00058915-00059085 police activity they declared the eN22YPDopzc-00249-00059086-00059536 principles of anarcho-communism eN22YPDopzc-00250-00059537-00059854 topic and Ark ISM economics in practice eN22YPDopzc-00251-00059854-00060298 the Spanish revolution eN22YPDopzc-00252-00060299-00060516 in the strong anarchist movement in eN22YPDopzc-00253-00060517-00060717 Spain the debate between collectivism eN22YPDopzc-00254-00060719-00060964 and anarcho-communism was revived this eN22YPDopzc-00255-00060965-00061222 double-bass both industrial and rural eN22YPDopzc-00256-00061223-00061477 had turned the libertarian communism of eN22YPDopzc-00257-00061478-00061702 Spanish and narco syndicalism in eN22YPDopzc-00258-00061703-00061933 somewhat divergent directions the one eN22YPDopzc-00259-00061934-00062239 communalist the other syndicalist the eN22YPDopzc-00260-00062240-00062452 communalism was expressed in a more eN22YPDopzc-00261-00062453-00062691 local more rural spirit one might almost eN22YPDopzc-00262-00062692-00062896 say more southern for one of its eN22YPDopzc-00263-00062897-00063171 principal bastions was in Andalusia eN22YPDopzc-00264-00063172-00063457 syndicalism on the other hand was more eN22YPDopzc-00265-00063458-00063691 urban and Unitarian in spirit more eN22YPDopzc-00266-00063691-00063946 northerly to since its main centre was eN22YPDopzc-00267-00063947-00064273 Catalonia Spanish anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00268-00064274-00064459 theoreticians were somewhat divided on eN22YPDopzc-00269-00064460-00064704 this subject a section of them had given eN22YPDopzc-00270-00064705-00064891 their hearts to Peter Kropotkin and his eN22YPDopzc-00271-00064891-00065119 erudite yet simplistic idealization of eN22YPDopzc-00272-00065120-00065287 the communes of the Middle Ages which eN22YPDopzc-00273-00065288-00065449 they identified with the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-00274-00065450-00065611 tradition of the primitive peasant eN22YPDopzc-00275-00065612-00065878 community their favorite slogan was the eN22YPDopzc-00276-00065879-00066205 free commune mikhail bakunin was the eN22YPDopzc-00277-00066206-00066376 founder of the spanish collectivist eN22YPDopzc-00278-00066377-00066613 syndicalist an internationalist Workers eN22YPDopzc-00279-00066614-00066868 movement those anarchists tended to eN22YPDopzc-00280-00066869-00067075 follow him and his disciple Ricardo Mela eN22YPDopzc-00281-00067076-00067228 they were concerned with economic eN22YPDopzc-00282-00067229-00067459 unification and believed that a long eN22YPDopzc-00283-00067460-00067633 transitional period would be necessary eN22YPDopzc-00284-00067634-00067849 during which it would be wiser to reward eN22YPDopzc-00285-00067850-00068047 labour according to the hours worked and eN22YPDopzc-00286-00068048-00068305 not according to need they envisage the eN22YPDopzc-00287-00068306-00068491 economic structure of the future as a eN22YPDopzc-00288-00068492-00068686 combination of local trade union eN22YPDopzc-00289-00068687-00068887 groupings and Federation's of branches eN22YPDopzc-00290-00068888-00069160 of Industry in 1932 the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-00291-00069161-00069364 anarchist theoretician Isaac Puente eN22YPDopzc-00292-00069365-00069474 published an outline of eN22YPDopzc-00293-00069475-00069691 anarcho-communism and its ideas were eN22YPDopzc-00294-00069692-00069904 taken up by the Saragosa Congress of the eN22YPDopzc-00295-00069905-00070165 Confederation Nacional del trabajo in eN22YPDopzc-00296-00070166-00070552 May 1936 the Spanish anarchist economist eN22YPDopzc-00297-00070553-00070783 Diego Abad dissent Ilyn published an eN22YPDopzc-00298-00070784-00070999 influential treatise on economics El eN22YPDopzc-00299-00071000-00071260 organ is mow economy Co de la revolucion eN22YPDopzc-00300-00071261-00071452 the economic organization of the eN22YPDopzc-00301-00071453-00071776 revolution he saw the following our eN22YPDopzc-00302-00071777-00071994 ideal is the commune which is associated eN22YPDopzc-00303-00071995-00072229 federated integrated into the total eN22YPDopzc-00304-00072230-00072400 economy of the country and of other eN22YPDopzc-00305-00072401-00072619 countries in a state of revolution to eN22YPDopzc-00306-00072620-00072841 replace the single owner by a Hydra eN22YPDopzc-00307-00072842-00073090 headed owner as not collectivism is not eN22YPDopzc-00308-00073091-00073420 self-management the land the factories eN22YPDopzc-00309-00073421-00073672 the mines the means of transport are the eN22YPDopzc-00310-00073673-00073857 project of the work of all and must be eN22YPDopzc-00311-00073858-00074146 at the service of all nowadays the eN22YPDopzc-00312-00074147-00074388 economy as neither local nor even eN22YPDopzc-00313-00074389-00074647 national but worldwide the eN22YPDopzc-00314-00074648-00074896 characteristic feature of modern life as eN22YPDopzc-00315-00074897-00075118 the cohesion of all the productive and eN22YPDopzc-00316-00075119-00075519 distributive forces quote a socialized eN22YPDopzc-00317-00075520-00075742 economy directed and planned is an eN22YPDopzc-00318-00075743-00075967 imperative necessity and corresponds to eN22YPDopzc-00319-00075968-00076141 the trend of development of the modern eN22YPDopzc-00320-00076142-00076356 economic world Santillan was to play an eN22YPDopzc-00321-00076357-00076544 important part in the Spanish revolution eN22YPDopzc-00322-00076545-00076782 he became a member of the Central eN22YPDopzc-00323-00076783-00076981 Committee of the anti-fascist militia a eN22YPDopzc-00324-00076982-00077173 member of the Catalan Economic Council eN22YPDopzc-00325-00077174-00077398 and economics minister of the Catalan eN22YPDopzc-00326-00077399-00077593 government anarchist historian George eN22YPDopzc-00327-00077594-00077821 Woodcock reports the following for eN22YPDopzc-00328-00077822-00078040 several months the armed forces in these eN22YPDopzc-00329-00078041-00078276 regions were mostly anarchist controlled eN22YPDopzc-00330-00078277-00078600 militia units the factories were largely eN22YPDopzc-00331-00078601-00078916 taken over by the workers and run by CNT eN22YPDopzc-00332-00078917-00079113 committees while hundreds of villages eN22YPDopzc-00333-00079114-00079330 either shared out or collectivized the eN22YPDopzc-00334-00079331-00079543 land and many of them attempted to set eN22YPDopzc-00335-00079544-00079759 up libertarian communes of the kind eN22YPDopzc-00336-00079760-00080084 advocated by Kropotkin eN22YPDopzc-00337-00080085-00080329 the beginnings of collectivization seem eN22YPDopzc-00338-00080330-00080494 to have been similar in villages and eN22YPDopzc-00339-00080495-00080771 factories the landlords in the villages eN22YPDopzc-00340-00080772-00080944 had fled the Civil Guards had been eN22YPDopzc-00341-00080945-00081127 killed or chased away and the village eN22YPDopzc-00342-00081128-00081331 syndicate would transform itself into a eN22YPDopzc-00343-00081332-00081553 popular assembly in which every villager eN22YPDopzc-00344-00081554-00081718 could participate directly in the eN22YPDopzc-00345-00081719-00081897 affairs of the community an eN22YPDopzc-00346-00081898-00082063 Administrative Committee would be eN22YPDopzc-00347-00082064-00082249 elected but this would operate under the eN22YPDopzc-00348-00082250-00082456 constant supervision of the population eN22YPDopzc-00349-00082457-00082630 meeting at least once a week in full eN22YPDopzc-00350-00082631-00082807 assembly to hasten the achievement of eN22YPDopzc-00351-00082808-00083059 free communism in the factories the eN22YPDopzc-00352-00083060-00083246 process was similar with a workers eN22YPDopzc-00353-00083247-00083428 committee becoming responsible to the eN22YPDopzc-00354-00083429-00083609 General Assembly of the syndicate and eN22YPDopzc-00355-00083610-00083821 technicians in a few cases the former eN22YPDopzc-00356-00083822-00083992 owners or managers planning production eN22YPDopzc-00357-00083993-00084563 in accordance with the workers views eN22YPDopzc-00358-00084564-00085134 topic theoretical economic systems eN22YPDopzc-00359-00085135-00085437 topic classical theoretical economic eN22YPDopzc-00360-00085438-00085792 systems eN22YPDopzc-00361-00085793-00086062 in a chronological and theoretical sense eN22YPDopzc-00362-00086063-00086290 there are classical those created eN22YPDopzc-00363-00086291-00086524 throughout the 19th century and post eN22YPDopzc-00364-00086525-00086707 classical anarchist schools those eN22YPDopzc-00365-00086708-00086932 created since the mid 20th century and eN22YPDopzc-00366-00086933-00087312 after eN22YPDopzc-00367-00087313-00087776 topic mutualism eN22YPDopzc-00368-00087777-00088026 mutualism as an anarchist school of eN22YPDopzc-00369-00088027-00088173 thought which can be traced to the eN22YPDopzc-00370-00088174-00088390 writings of pierre-joseph Proudhon who eN22YPDopzc-00371-00088391-00088572 envisioned a society where each person eN22YPDopzc-00372-00088573-00088759 might possess a means of production eN22YPDopzc-00373-00088760-00088972 either individually or collectively with eN22YPDopzc-00374-00088973-00089169 trade representing equivalent amounts of eN22YPDopzc-00375-00089170-00089424 labour in the free market integral to eN22YPDopzc-00376-00089425-00089607 the scheme was the establishment of a eN22YPDopzc-00377-00089608-00089790 mutual credit bank which would lend to eN22YPDopzc-00378-00089791-00089967 producers at a minimal interest rate eN22YPDopzc-00379-00089968-00090156 only high enough to cover the costs of eN22YPDopzc-00380-00090157-00090453 administration mutualism is based on a eN22YPDopzc-00381-00090454-00090663 labor theory of value which holds that eN22YPDopzc-00382-00090664-00090867 when labor or its product is sold in eN22YPDopzc-00383-00090868-00091056 exchange it ought to receive goods or eN22YPDopzc-00384-00091057-00091287 services embodying the amount of labour eN22YPDopzc-00385-00091288-00091512 necessary to produce an article of eN22YPDopzc-00386-00091513-00091897 exactly similar and equal utility some eN22YPDopzc-00387-00091898-00092097 mutualists believe that if the state did eN22YPDopzc-00388-00092098-00092253 not intervene as a result of increased eN22YPDopzc-00389-00092254-00092418 competition in the marketplace eN22YPDopzc-00390-00092419-00092661 individuals would receive no more income eN22YPDopzc-00391-00092662-00092832 than that in proportion to the amount of eN22YPDopzc-00392-00092833-00093129 labour they exert mutualists opposed the eN22YPDopzc-00393-00093130-00093360 idea of individuals receiving an income eN22YPDopzc-00394-00093361-00093561 through loans investments in rent as eN22YPDopzc-00395-00093562-00093715 they believe these individuals are not eN22YPDopzc-00396-00093716-00093969 laboring some of them argue that if eN22YPDopzc-00397-00093970-00094179 state intervention ceased these types of eN22YPDopzc-00398-00094180-00094377 incomes would disappear due to increased eN22YPDopzc-00399-00094378-00094597 competition in capital although Proudhon eN22YPDopzc-00400-00094598-00094809 opposed this type of income he expressed eN22YPDopzc-00401-00094810-00095412 I never meant to forbid or suppress by eN22YPDopzc-00402-00095413-00095616 sovereign decree ground rent and eN22YPDopzc-00403-00095617-00095898 interest on capital I believe that all eN22YPDopzc-00404-00095899-00096105 these forms of human activity should eN22YPDopzc-00405-00096106-00096507 remain free and optional for all insofar eN22YPDopzc-00406-00096508-00096702 as they ensure the workers right to the eN22YPDopzc-00407-00096703-00096897 full product of their labor mutualist eN22YPDopzc-00408-00096898-00097119 support markets and private property in eN22YPDopzc-00409-00097120-00097401 the product of labor however they argue eN22YPDopzc-00410-00097402-00097590 for conditional titles to land whose eN22YPDopzc-00411-00097591-00097800 private ownership is legitimate only so eN22YPDopzc-00412-00097801-00098022 long as it remains in use or occupation eN22YPDopzc-00413-00098023-00098304 which proud and called possession proud eN22YPDopzc-00414-00098305-00098526 Hans mutualism supports labor owned eN22YPDopzc-00415-00098527-00098766 cooperative firms and associations for eN22YPDopzc-00416-00098767-00099003 we need not hesitate for we have no eN22YPDopzc-00417-00099004-00099198 choice eN22YPDopzc-00418-00099199-00099423 it is necessary to form an association eN22YPDopzc-00419-00099424-00099849 among workers because without that they eN22YPDopzc-00420-00099850-00100059 would remain related as subordinates and eN22YPDopzc-00421-00100060-00100409 superiors and there would ensue to eN22YPDopzc-00422-00100410-00100709 castes of masters and wage workers which eN22YPDopzc-00423-00100710-00100880 is repugnant to a free and democratic eN22YPDopzc-00424-00100881-00101282 society and so it becomes necessary for eN22YPDopzc-00425-00101283-00101453 the workers to form themselves into eN22YPDopzc-00426-00101454-00101753 democratic societies with equal eN22YPDopzc-00427-00101754-00101957 conditions for all members on pain of a eN22YPDopzc-00428-00101958-00102260 relapse into feudalism quote dot as for eN22YPDopzc-00429-00102261-00102602 capital goods men made non land means of eN22YPDopzc-00430-00102603-00102830 production mutualist opinion differs on eN22YPDopzc-00431-00102831-00102998 whether these should be commonly managed eN22YPDopzc-00432-00102999-00103435 public assets or private property eN22YPDopzc-00433-00103436-00103873 topic evolution eN22YPDopzc-00434-00103874-00104266 as a term mutualism has seen a variety eN22YPDopzc-00435-00104267-00104529 of related uses Charles furry a first eN22YPDopzc-00436-00104530-00104730 used the French term mutual is me in eN22YPDopzc-00437-00104731-00104829 1822 eN22YPDopzc-00438-00104830-00104998 although the reference was not to an eN22YPDopzc-00439-00104999-00105261 economic system the first use of the eN22YPDopzc-00440-00105263-00105547 noun mutualist was in the New Harmony eN22YPDopzc-00441-00105548-00105741 gazette by an American Oh a knight in eN22YPDopzc-00442-00105742-00106123 1826 in the early 1830s a labor eN22YPDopzc-00443-00106124-00106335 organization in Lyons France called eN22YPDopzc-00444-00106336-00106611 themselves the mutualists pierre-joseph eN22YPDopzc-00445-00106613-00106809 Proudhon was involved with the Lions eN22YPDopzc-00446-00106810-00107041 mutualists and later adopted the name to eN22YPDopzc-00447-00107042-00107224 describe his own teachings in what is eN22YPDopzc-00448-00107225-00107443 mutualism Clarence Lee Schwartz gives eN22YPDopzc-00449-00107444-00107604 his own account of the origin of the eN22YPDopzc-00450-00107605-00107983 term claiming that tea he word mutualism eN22YPDopzc-00451-00107983-00108216 seems to have been first used by John eN22YPDopzc-00452-00108217-00108708 Gray an English writer in 1832 when John eN22YPDopzc-00453-00108709-00109006 Grey's 1825 lecture on human happiness eN22YPDopzc-00454-00109007-00109204 was first published in the United States eN22YPDopzc-00455-00109205-00109483 in 1826 the publishers appended the eN22YPDopzc-00456-00109483-00109663 preamble and constitution of the eN22YPDopzc-00457-00109664-00109836 friendly Association for mutual eN22YPDopzc-00458-00109838-00110218 interests located at Valley Forge 1826 eN22YPDopzc-00459-00110219-00110395 also saw the publication of the eN22YPDopzc-00460-00110396-00110623 constitution of the friendly Association eN22YPDopzc-00461-00110624-00110979 for mutual interests at Kendall Ohio eN22YPDopzc-00462-00110980-00111285 by 1846 Proudhon was speaking of eN22YPDopzc-00463-00111286-00111495 mutuality in his writings and used the eN22YPDopzc-00464-00111496-00111693 term mutual as me at least as early as eN22YPDopzc-00465-00111694-00112085 1848 in his program revolution air in eN22YPDopzc-00466-00112086-00112371 1850 William Batchelder Greene used the eN22YPDopzc-00467-00112372-00112683 term mutualism to describe a mutual eN22YPDopzc-00468-00112684-00112839 credit system similar to that of eN22YPDopzc-00469-00112840-00113160 Proudhon also in 1850 the American eN22YPDopzc-00470-00113161-00113376 newspaper the spirit of the age edited eN22YPDopzc-00471-00113377-00113559 by William Henry Channing published eN22YPDopzc-00472-00113560-00113877 proposals for a mutualist Township by eN22YPDopzc-00473-00113878-00114108 Joshua King Ingalls and Albert Brisbane eN22YPDopzc-00474-00114109-00114327 together with works by proudhon Greene eN22YPDopzc-00475-00114328-00114648 Pierre LaRue and others for American eN22YPDopzc-00476-00114649-00114828 anarchist historian Yunus Manette eN22YPDopzc-00477-00114829-00115296 Schuster IP as a parent less than pre eN22YPDopzc-00478-00115297-00115491 greater than / pre greater than eN22YPDopzc-00479-00115492-00115720 dot-dot-dot that proud only in anarchism eN22YPDopzc-00480-00115721-00115945 was to be found in the United States at eN22YPDopzc-00481-00115946-00116232 least as early as 1848 and that it was eN22YPDopzc-00482-00116233-00116419 not conscious of its affinity to the eN22YPDopzc-00483-00116420-00116691 individualist anarchism of Josiah Warren eN22YPDopzc-00484-00116692-00117120 and Stephen Pearl Andrews William B eN22YPDopzc-00485-00117121-00117315 Greene presented this proud only and eN22YPDopzc-00486-00117316-00117507 mutualism in its purest and most eN22YPDopzc-00487-00117508-00117888 systematic form later Benjamin Tucker eN22YPDopzc-00488-00117889-00118101 fused Max Turner's egoism with the eN22YPDopzc-00489-00118102-00118306 economics of Warren and Proudhon in his eN22YPDopzc-00490-00118307-00118593 eclectic influential publication Liberty eN22YPDopzc-00491-00118594-00118843 mutualism has been associated with two eN22YPDopzc-00492-00118844-00119073 types of currency reform labor notes eN22YPDopzc-00493-00119074-00119238 were first discussed in Owen Knight eN22YPDopzc-00494-00119239-00119382 circles and received their first eN22YPDopzc-00495-00119383-00119691 practical test in 1827 in the time store eN22YPDopzc-00496-00119692-00119857 of former New Harmony member an eN22YPDopzc-00497-00119858-00120098 individualist anarchist Josiah Warren eN22YPDopzc-00498-00120099-00120336 mutual banking aimed at the monetization eN22YPDopzc-00499-00120337-00120568 of all forms of wealth and the extension eN22YPDopzc-00500-00120569-00120793 of free credit it is most closely eN22YPDopzc-00501-00120794-00121032 associated with William Batchelder green eN22YPDopzc-00502-00121033-00121188 but Greene drew from the work of eN22YPDopzc-00503-00121189-00121410 proudhon Edward Kellogg and William Beck eN22YPDopzc-00504-00121411-00121676 as well as from the land bank tradition eN22YPDopzc-00505-00121677-00121929 mutualists argue that association is eN22YPDopzc-00506-00121930-00122127 only necessary where there is an organic eN22YPDopzc-00507-00122128-00122421 combination of forces for instance an eN22YPDopzc-00508-00122422-00122661 operation that requires specialization eN22YPDopzc-00509-00122662-00122845 and many different workers performing eN22YPDopzc-00510-00122846-00123021 their individual tasks to complete a eN22YPDopzc-00511-00123022-00123333 unified product ie a factory in this eN22YPDopzc-00512-00123334-00123522 situation workers are inherently eN22YPDopzc-00513-00123523-00123694 dependent on each other and without eN22YPDopzc-00514-00123695-00123873 Association they are related as eN22YPDopzc-00515-00123874-00124098 subordinate and superior master and wage eN22YPDopzc-00516-00124099-00124353 slave an operation that can be eN22YPDopzc-00517-00124354-00124546 formed by an individual without the help eN22YPDopzc-00518-00124547-00124758 of specialized workers does not require eN22YPDopzc-00519-00124759-00125028 association Proudhon argued that eN22YPDopzc-00520-00125029-00125245 peasants do not require societal form eN22YPDopzc-00521-00125246-00125436 and only feigned association for the eN22YPDopzc-00522-00125437-00125634 purposes of solidarity in abolishing eN22YPDopzc-00523-00125635-00126054 rent buying clubs etc mutualists argue eN22YPDopzc-00524-00126055-00126232 that free banking should be taken back eN22YPDopzc-00525-00126233-00126435 by the people to establish systems of eN22YPDopzc-00526-00126436-00126697 free credit they contend that banks have eN22YPDopzc-00527-00126698-00126828 the monopoly on credit eN22YPDopzc-00528-00126829-00127011 just as capitalists have a monopoly on eN22YPDopzc-00529-00127012-00127282 land Kevin Carson is a contemporary eN22YPDopzc-00530-00127283-00127507 mutualist and author of studies in eN22YPDopzc-00531-00127508-00127703 mutualist political economy eN22YPDopzc-00532-00127704-00127974 Carson holds that capitalism for has eN22YPDopzc-00533-00127975-00128218 been founded on an act of robbery as eN22YPDopzc-00534-00128219-00128497 massive as feudalism and argues that eN22YPDopzc-00535-00128498-00128668 capitalism could not exist in the eN22YPDopzc-00536-00128669-00129022 absence of a state he says that I T as eN22YPDopzc-00537-00129023-00129232 state intervention that distinguishes eN22YPDopzc-00538-00129233-00129507 capitalism from the free market as eN22YPDopzc-00539-00129508-00129840 Robert Graham notes proud Hans market eN22YPDopzc-00540-00129841-00130086 socialism as indissolubly linked to his eN22YPDopzc-00541-00130087-00130302 notions of Industry democracy and eN22YPDopzc-00542-00130303-00130662 workers self-management K Stephen eN22YPDopzc-00543-00130663-00130863 Vincent notes in his in-depth analysis eN22YPDopzc-00544-00130864-00131073 of this aspect of proud Hans ideas that eN22YPDopzc-00545-00131074-00131371 Proudhon consistently advanced a program eN22YPDopzc-00546-00131372-00131593 of industrial democracy which would eN22YPDopzc-00547-00131594-00131797 return control and direction of the eN22YPDopzc-00548-00131798-00132141 economy to the workers for proudhon eN22YPDopzc-00549-00132142-00132556 strong worker's associations would eN22YPDopzc-00550-00132557-00132784 enable the workers to determine jointly eN22YPDopzc-00551-00132785-00132997 by election how the enterprise was to be eN22YPDopzc-00552-00132998-00133222 directed and operated on a day-to-day eN22YPDopzc-00553-00133223-00133485 basis eN22YPDopzc-00554-00133486-00133652 you eN22YPDopzc-00555-00133653-00134189 topic collectivist anarchism eN22YPDopzc-00556-00134190-00134439 collectivist anarchism also known as eN22YPDopzc-00557-00134440-00134571 anarcho collectivism eN22YPDopzc-00558-00134572-00134727 is a revolutionary doctrine that eN22YPDopzc-00559-00134728-00134937 advocates the abolition of the state and eN22YPDopzc-00560-00134938-00135084 private ownership of the means of eN22YPDopzc-00561-00135085-00135354 production instead it envisions the eN22YPDopzc-00562-00135355-00135492 means of production being owned eN22YPDopzc-00563-00135493-00135687 collectively and controlled and managed eN22YPDopzc-00564-00135688-00135939 by the producers themselves for the eN22YPDopzc-00565-00135940-00136095 collectivization of the means of eN22YPDopzc-00566-00136096-00136281 production it was originally envisaged eN22YPDopzc-00567-00136282-00136494 that workers will revolt and forcibly eN22YPDopzc-00568-00136495-00136680 collectivise the means of production eN22YPDopzc-00569-00136681-00136923 once collectivization takes place eN22YPDopzc-00570-00136924-00137127 workers salaries would be determined in eN22YPDopzc-00571-00137128-00137331 democratic organizations based on the eN22YPDopzc-00572-00137332-00137484 amount of time they contributed to eN22YPDopzc-00573-00137485-00137751 production these salaries would be used eN22YPDopzc-00574-00137752-00137949 to purchase goods in a communal market eN22YPDopzc-00575-00137950-00138138 this contrasts with anarcho-communism eN22YPDopzc-00576-00138139-00138360 where wages would be abolished and where eN22YPDopzc-00577-00138361-00138534 individuals would take freely from a eN22YPDopzc-00578-00138535-00138771 storehouse of goods to each according to eN22YPDopzc-00579-00138772-00139059 his need notwithstanding the title eN22YPDopzc-00580-00139060-00139263 mikhail bakunin s collectivist anarchism eN22YPDopzc-00581-00139264-00139500 as thus seen as a blend of individualism eN22YPDopzc-00582-00139501-00139764 and collectivism collectivist anarchism eN22YPDopzc-00583-00139765-00140043 is most commonly associated with bakunin eN22YPDopzc-00584-00140044-00140250 the anti-authoritarian sections of the eN22YPDopzc-00585-00140251-00140412 first international and the early eN22YPDopzc-00586-00140413-00140783 spanish anarchist movement eN22YPDopzc-00587-00140784-00141065 topic criticism of Marxism and eN22YPDopzc-00588-00141066-00141227 relationship with other anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00589-00141228-00141596 classical currents eN22YPDopzc-00590-00141597-00141824 the collectivist anarchists at first eN22YPDopzc-00591-00141825-00142087 used the term collectivism to eN22YPDopzc-00592-00142088-00142228 distinguish themselves from the eN22YPDopzc-00593-00142229-00142375 mutualism of the followers of eN22YPDopzc-00594-00142376-00142571 pierre-joseph Proudhon and the state eN22YPDopzc-00595-00142572-00142812 socialists associated with Karl Marx eN22YPDopzc-00596-00142813-00143084 Mikhail Bakunin wrote that we shall eN22YPDopzc-00597-00143085-00143318 always protest against anything that may eN22YPDopzc-00598-00143319-00143570 in any way resemble communism or state eN22YPDopzc-00599-00143571-00143894 socialism which Bakunin regarded as eN22YPDopzc-00600-00143895-00144157 fundamentally authoritarian federalism eN22YPDopzc-00601-00144158-00144620 socialism and anti theology ISM 1867 the eN22YPDopzc-00602-00144621-00144797 dispute between bakunin and Marx eN22YPDopzc-00603-00144798-00144937 highlighted the differences between eN22YPDopzc-00604-00144938-00145256 anarchism and Marxism Bakunin argued eN22YPDopzc-00605-00145257-00145496 against certain ideas of a number of eN22YPDopzc-00606-00145497-00145748 Marxists that not all revolutions need eN22YPDopzc-00607-00145749-00145820 be violent eN22YPDopzc-00608-00145821-00146128 he also strongly rejected Marx's concept eN22YPDopzc-00609-00146129-00146399 of the dictatorship of the proletariat a eN22YPDopzc-00610-00146400-00146674 concept that Vanguard associa min eN22YPDopzc-00611-00146675-00146870 cluding Marxism Leninism would use to eN22YPDopzc-00612-00146871-00147091 justify one-party rule from above by a eN22YPDopzc-00613-00147092-00147245 party claiming to represent the eN22YPDopzc-00614-00147246-00147506 proletariat Bakunin insisted that eN22YPDopzc-00615-00147507-00147710 revolutions must be led by the people eN22YPDopzc-00616-00147711-00147935 directly while any enlightened elite eN22YPDopzc-00617-00147936-00148207 must only exert influence by remaining eN22YPDopzc-00618-00148208-00148501 invisible eN22YPDopzc-00619-00148502-00148796 not imposed on anyone eN22YPDopzc-00620-00148797-00149054 and deprived of all official rights and eN22YPDopzc-00621-00149055-00149357 significance he held that the state eN22YPDopzc-00622-00149358-00149537 should be immediately abolished because eN22YPDopzc-00623-00149538-00149729 all forms of government eventually lead eN22YPDopzc-00624-00149730-00149996 to oppression bakunin has sometimes been eN22YPDopzc-00625-00149997-00150203 called the first theorist of the new eN22YPDopzc-00626-00150204-00150437 class meaning that a class of eN22YPDopzc-00627-00150438-00150638 intellectuals and bureaucrats running eN22YPDopzc-00628-00150639-00150803 the state in the name of the people or eN22YPDopzc-00629-00150804-00151052 the proletariat but in reality in their eN22YPDopzc-00630-00151053-00151331 own interests alone Bakunin argued that eN22YPDopzc-00631-00151332-00151598 the estate has always been the patrimony eN22YPDopzc-00632-00151599-00151847 of some privileged class a priestly eN22YPDopzc-00633-00151848-00152141 class an aristocratic class a bourgeois eN22YPDopzc-00634-00152142-00152456 class and finally when all the other eN22YPDopzc-00635-00152457-00152702 classes have exhausted themselves the eN22YPDopzc-00636-00152703-00152921 state then becomes the patrimony of the eN22YPDopzc-00637-00152922-00153182 bureaucratic class and then Falls or if eN22YPDopzc-00638-00153183-00153401 you will rises to the position of the eN22YPDopzc-00639-00153402-00153743 Machine bakunin also had a different eN22YPDopzc-00640-00153744-00153911 view as compared to Marx's on the eN22YPDopzc-00641-00153912-00154070 revolutionary potential of the eN22YPDopzc-00642-00154071-00154288 lumpenproletariat and the proletariat as eN22YPDopzc-00643-00154289-00154676 such be oth agreed that the proletariat eN22YPDopzc-00644-00154677-00154952 would play a key role but for Marx the eN22YPDopzc-00645-00154953-00155186 proletariat was the exclusive leading eN22YPDopzc-00646-00155187-00155408 revolutionary agent while Bakunin eN22YPDopzc-00647-00155409-00155609 entertained the possibility that the eN22YPDopzc-00648-00155610-00155764 peasants and even the lumpenproletariat eN22YPDopzc-00649-00155765-00156119 the unemployed common criminals etc eN22YPDopzc-00650-00156120-00156340 could rise to the occasion eN22YPDopzc-00651-00156341-00156629 bakunin considers workers integration in eN22YPDopzc-00652-00156630-00156845 capital as destructive of more primary eN22YPDopzc-00653-00156846-00157148 revolutionary forces for Bakunin the eN22YPDopzc-00654-00157149-00157355 revolutionary archetype is found in a eN22YPDopzc-00655-00157356-00157547 peasant milieu which is presented as eN22YPDopzc-00656-00157548-00157721 having long-standing insurrectionary eN22YPDopzc-00657-00157722-00157916 traditions as well as a communist eN22YPDopzc-00658-00157917-00158138 archetype in its current social form the eN22YPDopzc-00659-00158139-00158333 peasant commune and amongst educated eN22YPDopzc-00660-00158334-00158549 unemployed youth assorted marginals from eN22YPDopzc-00661-00158550-00158771 all classes brigands robbers the eN22YPDopzc-00662-00158772-00158951 impoverished masses and those on the eN22YPDopzc-00663-00158952-00159167 margins of society who have escaped been eN22YPDopzc-00664-00159168-00159380 excluded from or not yet subsumed in the eN22YPDopzc-00665-00159381-00159643 discipline of emerging industrial work eN22YPDopzc-00666-00159644-00159914 less than pre greater than slash pre eN22YPDopzc-00667-00159915-00160181 greater than in short all those who marx eN22YPDopzc-00668-00160182-00160358 ought to include in the category of the eN22YPDopzc-00669-00160359-00160582 lumpenproletariat the anti-authoritarian eN22YPDopzc-00670-00160583-00160832 sections of the first international eN22YPDopzc-00671-00160833-00160997 proclaimed at the same time year eN22YPDopzc-00672-00160998-00161444 congress 1872 that the aspirations of eN22YPDopzc-00673-00161445-00161612 the proletariat can have no purpose eN22YPDopzc-00674-00161613-00161780 other than the establishment of an eN22YPDopzc-00675-00161781-00162014 absolutely free economic organization eN22YPDopzc-00676-00162015-00162152 and Federation founded eN22YPDopzc-00677-00162153-00162350 upon the labor and equality of all and eN22YPDopzc-00678-00162351-00162563 absolutely independent of all political eN22YPDopzc-00679-00162564-00162770 government in which each worker will eN22YPDopzc-00680-00162771-00163007 have the right to the enjoyment of the eN22YPDopzc-00681-00163008-00163202 gross product of his Labor's and thereby eN22YPDopzc-00682-00163203-00163355 the means of developing his full eN22YPDopzc-00683-00163356-00163595 intellectual material and moral powers eN22YPDopzc-00684-00163596-00163850 in a collective setting quote dot this eN22YPDopzc-00685-00163851-00164168 revolutionary transformation cut only be eN22YPDopzc-00686-00164169-00164378 the outcome of the spontaneous action of eN22YPDopzc-00687-00164379-00164570 the proletariat itself it's trades eN22YPDopzc-00688-00164571-00164822 bodies and the autonomous communes quote eN22YPDopzc-00689-00164823-00165104 dot a similar position was adopted by eN22YPDopzc-00690-00165105-00165317 the workers Federation of the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-00691-00165318-00165614 region in 1882 as articulated by eN22YPDopzc-00692-00165615-00165785 anarchist veteran of the first eN22YPDopzc-00693-00165786-00166037 international Jose Lunas Phu holes in eN22YPDopzc-00694-00166038-00166358 his essay collectivism the difference eN22YPDopzc-00695-00166359-00166544 between collectivist anarchism and eN22YPDopzc-00696-00166545-00166769 anarcho-communism is that collectivist eN22YPDopzc-00697-00166770-00166949 anarchism stresses collective ownership eN22YPDopzc-00698-00166950-00167144 of productive subsistence and eN22YPDopzc-00699-00167145-00167354 distributary property while a narco eN22YPDopzc-00700-00167355-00167525 communist negates the concept of eN22YPDopzc-00701-00167526-00167693 ownership in favor of usage or eN22YPDopzc-00702-00167694-00167888 possession with productive means being a eN22YPDopzc-00703-00167889-00168083 possession not owned by any individual eN22YPDopzc-00704-00168084-00168386 or particular group and narco communists eN22YPDopzc-00705-00168387-00168593 believe that subsistence productive and eN22YPDopzc-00706-00168594-00168788 distributive properties should be common eN22YPDopzc-00707-00168789-00168977 or social possessions while personal eN22YPDopzc-00708-00168978-00169207 property should be private possessions eN22YPDopzc-00709-00169208-00169442 collectivist anarchists agree with this eN22YPDopzc-00710-00169443-00169622 but they disagree on the subject of eN22YPDopzc-00711-00169623-00169844 remuneration some collectivist eN22YPDopzc-00712-00169845-00170015 anarchists such as Mikhail Bakunin eN22YPDopzc-00713-00170016-00170222 believe in the remuneration of labour eN22YPDopzc-00714-00170223-00170438 while a narco communists such as Peter eN22YPDopzc-00715-00170439-00170657 Kropotkin believe that such remuneration eN22YPDopzc-00716-00170658-00170843 would lead to the recreation of currency eN22YPDopzc-00717-00170844-00171083 and that this would need a state thus it eN22YPDopzc-00718-00171084-00171218 could be said that collectivist eN22YPDopzc-00719-00171219-00171392 anarchists believe in freedom through eN22YPDopzc-00720-00171393-00171581 collective ownership of production and a eN22YPDopzc-00721-00171582-00171776 communal market of sorts to distribute eN22YPDopzc-00722-00171777-00171965 goods and services and compensate eN22YPDopzc-00723-00171966-00172195 workers in the form of remuneration eN22YPDopzc-00724-00172196-00172433 collectivist anarchism could be seen as eN22YPDopzc-00725-00172434-00172681 a combination of communism and mutualism eN22YPDopzc-00726-00172682-00173045 the anarchist faq compares and contrasts eN22YPDopzc-00727-00173046-00173240 collectivist anarchism with communist eN22YPDopzc-00728-00173241-00173450 anarchism this way the major difference eN22YPDopzc-00729-00173451-00173654 between collectivists and communists is eN22YPDopzc-00730-00173655-00173915 over the question of money after a eN22YPDopzc-00731-00173916-00174179 revolution and narco Communists consider eN22YPDopzc-00732-00174180-00174377 the abolition of money to be essential eN22YPDopzc-00733-00174378-00174593 while a narco collectivists consider the eN22YPDopzc-00734-00174594-00174773 end of private ownership of the means of eN22YPDopzc-00735-00174774-00175046 production to be the key as Kropotkin eN22YPDopzc-00736-00175047-00175382 noted collectivist anarchism express s a eN22YPDopzc-00737-00175383-00175537 state of things in which eN22YPDopzc-00738-00175538-00175759 necessaries for production are owned in eN22YPDopzc-00739-00175760-00175984 common by the labor groups and the free eN22YPDopzc-00740-00175985-00176170 communes while the ways of retribution eN22YPDopzc-00741-00176171-00176524 ie distribution of labor communist or eN22YPDopzc-00742-00176525-00176704 otherwise would be settled by each group eN22YPDopzc-00743-00176705-00177061 for itself thus while communism and eN22YPDopzc-00744-00177062-00177244 collectivism both organized production eN22YPDopzc-00745-00177245-00177496 in common via producers associations eN22YPDopzc-00746-00177497-00177670 they differ in how the goods produced eN22YPDopzc-00747-00177671-00177940 will be distributed communism is based eN22YPDopzc-00748-00177941-00178111 on free consumption of all while eN22YPDopzc-00749-00178112-00178300 collectivism is more likely to be based eN22YPDopzc-00750-00178301-00178493 on the distribution of goods according eN22YPDopzc-00751-00178494-00178623 to the labor contributed eN22YPDopzc-00752-00178624-00178939 however most anarcho collectivists think eN22YPDopzc-00753-00178940-00179185 that over time as productivity increases eN22YPDopzc-00754-00179186-00179338 in the sense of community becomes eN22YPDopzc-00755-00179339-00179757 stronger money will disappear eN22YPDopzc-00756-00179758-00180273 topic anarcho-communism eN22YPDopzc-00757-00180274-00180525 and narco communism also known as eN22YPDopzc-00758-00180526-00180747 anarchist communism and occasionally as eN22YPDopzc-00759-00180748-00180990 free communism or libertarian communism eN22YPDopzc-00760-00180991-00181224 is a theory of anarchism which advocates eN22YPDopzc-00761-00181225-00181466 the abolition of the state markets money eN22YPDopzc-00762-00181467-00181698 capitalism and private property while eN22YPDopzc-00763-00181699-00181904 retaining respect for personal property eN22YPDopzc-00764-00181905-00182103 and in favor of common ownership of the eN22YPDopzc-00765-00182104-00182346 means of production direct democracy and eN22YPDopzc-00766-00182347-00182520 a horizontal network of voluntary eN22YPDopzc-00767-00182521-00182741 associations and workers councils with eN22YPDopzc-00768-00182742-00182928 production and consumption based on the eN22YPDopzc-00769-00182929-00183141 guiding principle from each according to eN22YPDopzc-00770-00183142-00183341 his ability to each according to his eN22YPDopzc-00771-00183342-00183702 needs some forms of anarcho-communism eN22YPDopzc-00772-00183703-00183933 such as insurrectionary anarchism are eN22YPDopzc-00773-00183934-00184134 strongly influenced by egoism and eN22YPDopzc-00774-00184135-00184323 radical individualism believing eN22YPDopzc-00775-00184324-00184527 anarcho-communism is the best social eN22YPDopzc-00776-00184528-00184749 system for the realization of individual eN22YPDopzc-00777-00184750-00185052 freedom most anarcho communists view and eN22YPDopzc-00778-00185053-00185253 narco communism as a way of reconciling eN22YPDopzc-00779-00185254-00185472 the opposition between the individual eN22YPDopzc-00780-00185473-00185676 and society the abolition of wage labor eN22YPDopzc-00781-00185677-00185982 is central to anarchist communism with eN22YPDopzc-00782-00185983-00186177 distribution of wealth being based on eN22YPDopzc-00783-00186178-00186375 self determined needs people would be eN22YPDopzc-00784-00186376-00186564 free to engage in whatever activities eN22YPDopzc-00785-00186565-00186738 they found most fulfilling and would no eN22YPDopzc-00786-00186739-00186915 longer have to engage in work for which eN22YPDopzc-00787-00186916-00187071 they have neither the temperament nor eN22YPDopzc-00788-00187072-00187374 the aptitude and narco communists argue eN22YPDopzc-00789-00187375-00187533 that there is no valid way of measuring eN22YPDopzc-00790-00187534-00187770 the value of any one person's economic eN22YPDopzc-00791-00187771-00187953 contributions because all wealth is a eN22YPDopzc-00792-00187954-00188118 collective product of current and eN22YPDopzc-00793-00188119-00188310 preceding generations and narco eN22YPDopzc-00794-00188311-00188511 communists argue that any economic eN22YPDopzc-00795-00188512-00188715 system based on wage labor and private eN22YPDopzc-00796-00188716-00188913 property requires a coercive state eN22YPDopzc-00797-00188914-00189135 apparatus to enforce property rights and eN22YPDopzc-00798-00189136-00189266 to maintain unequal economic eN22YPDopzc-00799-00189267-00189504 relationships that inevitably arise from eN22YPDopzc-00800-00189505-00189687 differences in wages or amount of eN22YPDopzc-00801-00189688-00189972 property they further argue that markets eN22YPDopzc-00802-00189973-00190154 and systems of currency divide labor eN22YPDopzc-00803-00190155-00190368 into classes and assigned arbitrary eN22YPDopzc-00804-00190369-00190596 numerical values to an individual's work eN22YPDopzc-00805-00190597-00190770 and attempt to regulate production eN22YPDopzc-00806-00190771-00191054 consumption and distribution they argue eN22YPDopzc-00807-00191055-00191226 that money restricts an individual's eN22YPDopzc-00808-00191227-00191418 ability to consume the products of their eN22YPDopzc-00809-00191419-00191583 labor by limiting their intake with eN22YPDopzc-00810-00191584-00191922 prices and wages and narco communists eN22YPDopzc-00811-00191923-00192099 recognize money as fundamentally eN22YPDopzc-00812-00192100-00192270 quantitative in nature rather than eN22YPDopzc-00813-00192271-00192528 qualitative they believe production eN22YPDopzc-00814-00192529-00192708 should be a qualitative matter and that eN22YPDopzc-00815-00192709-00192903 consumption and distribution should be eN22YPDopzc-00816-00192904-00193089 self determined by each individual eN22YPDopzc-00817-00193090-00193278 without arbitrary value assigned to eN22YPDopzc-00818-00193279-00193530 labour goods and services by others eN22YPDopzc-00819-00193531-00193773 in place of the market most anarcho eN22YPDopzc-00820-00193774-00193989 communists support a currency less gift eN22YPDopzc-00821-00193990-00194202 economy where goods and services are eN22YPDopzc-00822-00194203-00194415 produced by workers and distributed in eN22YPDopzc-00823-00194416-00194589 community stores where everyone eN22YPDopzc-00824-00194590-00194778 including the workers who produce them eN22YPDopzc-00825-00194779-00194958 is essentially entitled to consume eN22YPDopzc-00826-00194959-00195180 whatever they want or need us payment eN22YPDopzc-00827-00195181-00195363 for their production of goods and eN22YPDopzc-00828-00195364-00195651 services a gift economy does not eN22YPDopzc-00829-00195652-00195879 necessarily involve an immediate return eN22YPDopzc-00830-00195880-00196044 such as with remuneration as eN22YPDopzc-00831-00196045-00196233 compensation comes in the form of eN22YPDopzc-00832-00196234-00196419 whatever the person decides is of equal eN22YPDopzc-00833-00196420-00196629 value to their products of labor what is eN22YPDopzc-00834-00196630-00196905 commonly called bartering any limits on eN22YPDopzc-00835-00196906-00197076 production and distribution would be eN22YPDopzc-00836-00197077-00197274 determined by the individuals within the eN22YPDopzc-00837-00197275-00197424 groups involved rather than by eN22YPDopzc-00838-00197425-00197700 capitalist owners corporations investors eN22YPDopzc-00839-00197701-00197889 banks or other artificial market eN22YPDopzc-00840-00197890-00198168 pressures crucially the abstract eN22YPDopzc-00841-00198169-00198519 relationship of Landlord and Tenant eN22YPDopzc-00842-00198520-00198768 would no longer exist as such titles are eN22YPDopzc-00843-00198769-00198954 held to occur under conditional legal eN22YPDopzc-00844-00198955-00199122 coercion and are not absolutely eN22YPDopzc-00845-00199123-00199371 necessary to occupy buildings or spaces eN22YPDopzc-00846-00199372-00199569 intellectual property rights would also eN22YPDopzc-00847-00199570-00199755 see since they are a form of private eN22YPDopzc-00848-00199756-00200116 property eN22YPDopzc-00849-00200117-00200449 topic evolution and role in early 20th eN22YPDopzc-00850-00200450-00200832 century revolutions eN22YPDopzc-00851-00200833-00201069 and narco communism developed out of eN22YPDopzc-00852-00201070-00201270 radical socialist currents after the eN22YPDopzc-00853-00201271-00201435 French Revolution but it was first eN22YPDopzc-00854-00201436-00201633 formulated as such in the Italian eN22YPDopzc-00855-00201634-00201819 section of the first international and eN22YPDopzc-00856-00201820-00202113 early and narco communist was Joseph de eN22YPDopzc-00857-00202114-00202281 Jacques the first person to describe eN22YPDopzc-00858-00202282-00202647 himself as libertarian unlike Proudhon eN22YPDopzc-00859-00202648-00202889 he argued that it is not the product of eN22YPDopzc-00860-00202890-00203082 his or her labor that the worker has a eN22YPDopzc-00861-00203083-00203331 right to but to the satisfaction of his eN22YPDopzc-00862-00203332-00203513 or her needs whatever may be their eN22YPDopzc-00863-00203514-00203874 nature and narco communism as a coherent eN22YPDopzc-00864-00203875-00204125 modern economic political philosophy was eN22YPDopzc-00865-00204126-00204333 first formulated in the Italian section eN22YPDopzc-00866-00204334-00204537 of the first international by Carlo eN22YPDopzc-00867-00204538-00204857 Cafiero Emilio Covelli Eriko Malatesta eN22YPDopzc-00868-00204858-00205077 Andrea Costa and other exmas Eemian eN22YPDopzc-00869-00205078-00205353 Republicans out of respect for Mikhail eN22YPDopzc-00870-00205354-00205496 Bakunin they did not make their eN22YPDopzc-00871-00205498-00205656 differences with collectivist anarchism eN22YPDopzc-00872-00205657-00205886 explicit until after be Putin's death eN22YPDopzc-00873-00205887-00206144 the collectivist anarchist sought to eN22YPDopzc-00874-00206146-00206319 collectivise ownership of the means of eN22YPDopzc-00875-00206319-00206486 production while retaining payment eN22YPDopzc-00876-00206487-00206669 proportional to the amount and kind of eN22YPDopzc-00877-00206671-00206837 labour of each individual but the eN22YPDopzc-00878-00206838-00207038 anarcho communists sought to extend the eN22YPDopzc-00879-00207039-00207221 concept of collective ownership to the eN22YPDopzc-00880-00207223-00207494 products of labour as well while both eN22YPDopzc-00881-00207496-00207710 groups argued against capitalism the eN22YPDopzc-00882-00207711-00207894 anarchist communists departed from eN22YPDopzc-00883-00207894-00208101 Proudhon and Bakunin who maintained that eN22YPDopzc-00884-00208102-00208262 individuals have a right to the product eN22YPDopzc-00885-00208263-00208433 of their individual labor and to be eN22YPDopzc-00886-00208434-00208569 remunerated for their particular eN22YPDopzc-00887-00208569-00208896 contribution to production as Malatesta eN22YPDopzc-00888-00208896-00209111 put it instead of running the risk of eN22YPDopzc-00889-00209112-00209304 making a confusion in trying to eN22YPDopzc-00890-00209305-00209532 distinguish what you and i each do let eN22YPDopzc-00891-00209533-00209769 us all work and put everything in common eN22YPDopzc-00892-00209769-00210030 in this way each will give to society eN22YPDopzc-00893-00210031-00210273 all that is strengths permits until eN22YPDopzc-00894-00210273-00210509 enough is produced for everyone and each eN22YPDopzc-00895-00210510-00210726 will take all that he needs limiting his eN22YPDopzc-00896-00210727-00210903 needs only in those things of which eN22YPDopzc-00897-00210904-00211148 there has not yet plenty for everyone eN22YPDopzc-00898-00211148-00211413 the theoretical work of Peter Kropotkin eN22YPDopzc-00899-00211414-00211694 took importance later as it expanded and eN22YPDopzc-00900-00211696-00211902 developed Pro organizational ax stand eN22YPDopzc-00901-00211903-00212103 insurrectionary anti organizational ax eN22YPDopzc-00902-00212104-00212282 stirring the russian revolution eN22YPDopzc-00903-00212283-00212538 anarchists such as nestor makhno work to eN22YPDopzc-00904-00212539-00212712 create and defend through the eN22YPDopzc-00905-00212713-00212919 revolutionary insurrectionary army of eN22YPDopzc-00906-00212919-00213180 Ukraine and narco communism in the free eN22YPDopzc-00907-00213181-00213423 territory of the Ukraine from 1919 eN22YPDopzc-00908-00213423-00213612 before being conquered by the Bolsheviks eN22YPDopzc-00909-00213613-00213932 in 1921 a commander of the peasant eN22YPDopzc-00910-00213933-00214142 revolutionary insurrectionary army of eN22YPDopzc-00911-00214144-00214215 Ukraine eN22YPDopzc-00912-00214216-00214413 also known as the anarchist black army eN22YPDopzc-00913-00214414-00214634 Mignolet a guerrilla campaign opposing eN22YPDopzc-00914-00214635-00214946 both the Bolshevik Reds and monarchist eN22YPDopzc-00915-00214948-00215273 whites the revolutionary autonomous eN22YPDopzc-00916-00215275-00215453 movement of which he was a part made eN22YPDopzc-00917-00215454-00215676 various tactical military pacts while eN22YPDopzc-00918-00215677-00215901 fighting various forces of reaction and eN22YPDopzc-00919-00215902-00216117 organizing the free territory of Ukraine eN22YPDopzc-00920-00216117-00216317 an anarchist society committed to eN22YPDopzc-00921-00216319-00216477 resisting state authority whether eN22YPDopzc-00922-00216478-00216666 capitalist or Bolshevik after eN22YPDopzc-00923-00216667-00216894 successfully repelling austro-hungarian eN22YPDopzc-00924-00216894-00217103 white and Ukrainian nationalist forces eN22YPDopzc-00925-00217104-00217323 the Makhno vests militia forces and a eN22YPDopzc-00926-00217323-00217502 narco communist territories in the eN22YPDopzc-00927-00217503-00217677 Ukraine were eventually crushed by eN22YPDopzc-00928-00217678-00217992 Bolshevik military forces in the Mexican eN22YPDopzc-00929-00217992-00218202 Revolution the Mexican Liberal Party was eN22YPDopzc-00930-00218203-00218432 established and during the early 1910s eN22YPDopzc-00931-00218433-00218657 led a series of military offensives eN22YPDopzc-00932-00218658-00218867 leading to the conquest and occupation eN22YPDopzc-00933-00218869-00219063 of certain towns and districts in Baja eN22YPDopzc-00934-00219064-00219240 California with the leadership of a eN22YPDopzc-00935-00219241-00219496 narco communist Ricardo Flores Magon eN22YPDopzc-00936-00219498-00219750 Kropotkin x' the conquest of bread which eN22YPDopzc-00937-00219751-00219942 Flores Magon considered a kind of eN22YPDopzc-00938-00219942-00220164 anarchist Bible served as basis for the eN22YPDopzc-00939-00220165-00220362 short-lived revolutionary communes in eN22YPDopzc-00940-00220363-00220580 Baja California during the Magna Steyr eN22YPDopzc-00941-00220581-00220832 revolt of 1911 to date the best-known eN22YPDopzc-00942-00220833-00221192 examples of an anarchic immunity ie eN22YPDopzc-00943-00221192-00221415 established around the ideas as they eN22YPDopzc-00944-00221416-00221565 exist today and achieving worldwide eN22YPDopzc-00945-00221566-00221739 attention and knowledge in the eN22YPDopzc-00946-00221740-00221925 historical canon are the anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00947-00221926-00222075 territories during the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-00948-00222076-00222273 revolution in the free territory during eN22YPDopzc-00949-00222273-00222489 the Russian Revolution through the eN22YPDopzc-00950-00222490-00222669 efforts and influence of the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-00951-00222669-00222840 anarchists during the Spanish revolution eN22YPDopzc-00952-00222841-00223100 within the Spanish Civil War starting in eN22YPDopzc-00953-00223101-00223427 1936 and narco communism existed in most eN22YPDopzc-00954-00223428-00223628 of Aragon parts of the Levante and eN22YPDopzc-00955-00223629-00223826 Andalusia as well as in the stronghold eN22YPDopzc-00956-00223827-00224025 of anarchist Catalonia before being eN22YPDopzc-00957-00224026-00224210 crushed by the combined forces of the eN22YPDopzc-00958-00224211-00224419 regime that won the war Hitler Mussolini eN22YPDopzc-00959-00224421-00224667 Spanish Communist Party repression eN22YPDopzc-00960-00224667-00224852 backed by the Soviet Union as well as eN22YPDopzc-00961-00224853-00225066 economic and armaments blockades from eN22YPDopzc-00962-00225067-00225248 the capitalist countries in the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-00963-00225250-00225682 Republic itself eN22YPDopzc-00964-00225683-00225904 topic post-classical theoretical eN22YPDopzc-00965-00225905-00226327 economic systems eN22YPDopzc-00966-00226328-00226916 topic participatory economics eN22YPDopzc-00967-00226917-00227136 participatory economics often eN22YPDopzc-00968-00227137-00227361 abbreviated Paris on is an economic eN22YPDopzc-00969-00227362-00227544 system proposed by activists and eN22YPDopzc-00970-00227544-00227736 political theorist Michael Albert and eN22YPDopzc-00971-00227737-00228003 radical economist Robin Hahnel for eN22YPDopzc-00972-00228004-00228285 Albert participatory economics and eN22YPDopzc-00973-00228286-00228567 participatory society provide a worthy eN22YPDopzc-00974-00228567-00228789 viable and even necessary and eN22YPDopzc-00975-00228790-00228984 potentially sufficient anarchist eN22YPDopzc-00976-00228985-00229292 revolutionary vision it uses eN22YPDopzc-00977-00229294-00229506 participatory decision-making as an eN22YPDopzc-00978-00229507-00229665 economic mechanism to guide the eN22YPDopzc-00979-00229666-00229884 production consumption and allocation of eN22YPDopzc-00980-00229885-00230202 resources in a given society proposed as eN22YPDopzc-00981-00230203-00230361 an alternative to contemporary eN22YPDopzc-00982-00230362-00230598 capitalist market economies and also an eN22YPDopzc-00983-00230598-00230739 alternative to centrally planned eN22YPDopzc-00984-00230740-00230942 socialism it is described as an eN22YPDopzc-00985-00230944-00231267 anarchistic economic vision and it could eN22YPDopzc-00986-00231267-00231462 be considered a form of socialism as eN22YPDopzc-00987-00231463-00231663 under Paris on the means of production eN22YPDopzc-00988-00231664-00231939 are owned by the workers the underlying eN22YPDopzc-00989-00231940-00232142 values that parison seeks to implement eN22YPDopzc-00990-00232144-00232446 are equity solidarity diversity workers eN22YPDopzc-00991-00232446-00232611 self-management and efficiency eN22YPDopzc-00992-00232612-00232809 efficiency here means accomplishing eN22YPDopzc-00993-00232810-00233096 goals without wasting valued assets it eN22YPDopzc-00994-00233098-00233298 proposes to attain these ends mainly eN22YPDopzc-00995-00233298-00233457 through the following principles and eN22YPDopzc-00996-00233458-00233757 institutions workers and consumers eN22YPDopzc-00997-00233758-00233979 councils utilizing self managerial eN22YPDopzc-00998-00233980-00234288 methods for decision making balance job eN22YPDopzc-00999-00234289-00234588 complexes remuneration according to eN22YPDopzc-01000-00234589-00234888 effort and sacrifice participatory eN22YPDopzc-01001-00234889-00235089 planning galbart and Hahnel stress that eN22YPDopzc-01002-00235090-00235269 paris on is only meant to address an eN22YPDopzc-01003-00235269-00235485 alternative economic theory and must be eN22YPDopzc-01004-00235486-00235650 accompanied by equally important eN22YPDopzc-01005-00235651-00235821 alternative visions in the fields of eN22YPDopzc-01006-00235821-00236117 politics culture and kinship the authors eN22YPDopzc-01007-00236119-00236280 have also discussed elements of eN22YPDopzc-01008-00236281-00236505 anarchism in the field of politics Poli eN22YPDopzc-01009-00236506-00236715 culturalism in the field of culture and eN22YPDopzc-01010-00236716-00236894 feminism in the field of family and eN22YPDopzc-01011-00236896-00237087 gender relations as being possible eN22YPDopzc-01012-00237088-00237279 foundations for future alternative eN22YPDopzc-01013-00237280-00237414 visions in these other spheres of eN22YPDopzc-01014-00237415-00237503 society eN22YPDopzc-01015-00237504-00237789 Stephen R Shalom has begun work on the eN22YPDopzc-01016-00237790-00238011 participatory political vision he calls eN22YPDopzc-01017-00238012-00238284 par polity eN22YPDopzc-01018-00238285-00238510 you eN22YPDopzc-01019-00238511-00239005 topic inclusive democracy eN22YPDopzc-01020-00239006-00239257 according to the inclusive democracy ID eN22YPDopzc-01021-00239258-00239509 project economic democracy is the eN22YPDopzc-01022-00239510-00239716 authority of demos community in the eN22YPDopzc-01023-00239717-00239926 economic sphere which requires equal eN22YPDopzc-01024-00239927-00240219 distribution of economic power as with eN22YPDopzc-01025-00240221-00240454 the case of direct democracy economic eN22YPDopzc-01026-00240455-00240676 democracy today is only feasible at the eN22YPDopzc-01027-00240677-00240916 level of the Confederated D Moy it eN22YPDopzc-01028-00240917-00241111 involves the ownership and control of eN22YPDopzc-01029-00241112-00241294 the means of production by the demos eN22YPDopzc-01030-00241294-00241558 this is radically different from the two eN22YPDopzc-01031-00241559-00241750 main forms of concentration of economic eN22YPDopzc-01032-00241751-00242107 power capitalist and socialist growth eN22YPDopzc-01033-00242108-00242341 economy it is also different from the eN22YPDopzc-01034-00242342-00242571 various types of collectivist capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01035-00242573-00242769 such as workers control and milder eN22YPDopzc-01036-00242771-00242944 version suggested by post-keynesian eN22YPDopzc-01037-00242944-00243262 Social Democrats the demos therefore eN22YPDopzc-01038-00243263-00243466 becomes the authentic unit of economic eN22YPDopzc-01039-00243467-00243594 life eN22YPDopzc-01040-00243594-00243828 the main characteristic of the proposed eN22YPDopzc-01041-00243829-00244038 model which also differentiates it from eN22YPDopzc-01042-00244039-00244269 socialist planning models like Paris on eN22YPDopzc-01043-00244269-00244478 is that it explicitly presupposes a eN22YPDopzc-01044-00244479-00244658 stateless moneyless and marketless eN22YPDopzc-01045-00244659-00244839 economy that precludes private eN22YPDopzc-01046-00244840-00244973 accumulation of wealth in the eN22YPDopzc-01047-00244975-00245204 institutionalization of privileges for eN22YPDopzc-01048-00245205-00245408 some sections of society without relying eN22YPDopzc-01049-00245409-00245603 on a mythical post scarcity state of eN22YPDopzc-01050-00245604-00245814 abundance or sacrificing freedom of eN22YPDopzc-01051-00245815-00246087 choice the proposed system aims at eN22YPDopzc-01052-00246088-00246303 satisfying the double aim of meeting the eN22YPDopzc-01053-00246304-00246528 basic needs of all citizens which eN22YPDopzc-01054-00246529-00246758 requires that basic macroeconomic eN22YPDopzc-01055-00246759-00246896 decisions have to be made democratically eN22YPDopzc-01056-00246898-00247244 and be securing freedom of choice which eN22YPDopzc-01057-00247246-00247406 requires the individual to make eN22YPDopzc-01058-00247407-00247614 important decisions affecting his perón eN22YPDopzc-01059-00247615-00247817 life while work to do what to consume eN22YPDopzc-01060-00247819-00248159 and so on therefore the system consists eN22YPDopzc-01061-00248160-00248381 of two basic elements one democratic eN22YPDopzc-01062-00248382-00248558 planning which involves a feedback eN22YPDopzc-01063-00248559-00248751 process between workplace assemblies eN22YPDopzc-01064-00248752-00248981 demotic assemblies and the confederal eN22YPDopzc-01065-00248982-00249194 assembly and two an artificial market eN22YPDopzc-01066-00249196-00249407 using personal vouchers which ensures eN22YPDopzc-01067-00249408-00249584 freedom of choice but it avoids the eN22YPDopzc-01068-00249585-00249846 adverse effects of real markets although eN22YPDopzc-01069-00249846-00250082 some have called this system a form of eN22YPDopzc-01070-00250083-00250278 money based on the labor theory of value eN22YPDopzc-01071-00250279-00250596 it is not a money model since vouchers eN22YPDopzc-01072-00250596-00250794 cannot be used as a general medium of eN22YPDopzc-01073-00250794-00251069 exchange in store of wealth another eN22YPDopzc-01074-00251071-00251282 distinguishing feature of ID as its eN22YPDopzc-01075-00251283-00251451 distinction between basic and non-basic eN22YPDopzc-01076-00251452-00251780 needs remuneration is according to need eN22YPDopzc-01077-00251781-00251978 for basic needs and according to effort eN22YPDopzc-01078-00251979-00252291 for non basic needs ideas based on the eN22YPDopzc-01079-00252292-00252482 principle that meeting basic needs as a eN22YPDopzc-01080-00252483-00252648 fundamental human right which is eN22YPDopzc-01081-00252648-00252806 guaranteed to all who are in a physical eN22YPDopzc-01082-00252807-00253004 condition to offer a minimal amount of eN22YPDopzc-01083-00253005-00253314 work by contrast Paris on guarantees eN22YPDopzc-01084-00253315-00253539 that basic needs are satisfied only to eN22YPDopzc-01085-00253540-00253728 the extent they're characterized public eN22YPDopzc-01086-00253729-00253926 goods are are covered by compassion and eN22YPDopzc-01087-00253927-00254112 by a guaranteed basic income for the eN22YPDopzc-01088-00254113-00254538 unemployed and those who cannot work eN22YPDopzc-01089-00254539-00255079 topic left-wing market anarchism eN22YPDopzc-01090-00255080-00255344 left-wing market and irk ISM a form of eN22YPDopzc-01091-00255346-00255567 left libertarianism and individualist eN22YPDopzc-01092-00255567-00255797 anarchism is associated with scholars eN22YPDopzc-01093-00255798-00256022 such as Kevin Carson Roderick T long eN22YPDopzc-01094-00256023-00256292 Charles Johnson Brad Spangler Samuel eN22YPDopzc-01095-00256294-00256508 Edward Conte and three Sheldon Richmond eN22YPDopzc-01096-00256509-00256652 Chris Matthew Chhabra eN22YPDopzc-01097-00256653-00256821 and Gary char dear who stressed the eN22YPDopzc-01098-00256821-00257027 value of radically free markets termed eN22YPDopzc-01099-00257028-00257306 freed markets to distinguish them from eN22YPDopzc-01100-00257307-00257474 the common conception which these eN22YPDopzc-01101-00257475-00257654 libertarians believe to be riddled with eN22YPDopzc-01102-00257655-00257872 statist and capitalist privileges eN22YPDopzc-01103-00257873-00258138 referred to as left-wing market and are eN22YPDopzc-01104-00258139-00258302 kissed sore market-oriented left eN22YPDopzc-01105-00258303-00258524 libertarians proponents of this approach eN22YPDopzc-01106-00258525-00258714 strongly affirm the classical liberal eN22YPDopzc-01107-00258715-00258966 ideas of self ownership and free markets eN22YPDopzc-01108-00258967-00259127 while maintaining that taken to their eN22YPDopzc-01109-00259128-00259348 logical conclusions these ideas support eN22YPDopzc-01110-00259349-00259566 anti-capitalist ande corporatist eN22YPDopzc-01111-00259567-00259764 and E hierarchical Pro labor positions eN22YPDopzc-01112-00259765-00260048 in economics and imperialism in foreign eN22YPDopzc-01113-00260049-00260231 policy and thoroughly liberal or radical eN22YPDopzc-01114-00260232-00260492 views regarding such cultural issues as eN22YPDopzc-01115-00260494-00260879 gender sexuality and race the genealogy eN22YPDopzc-01116-00260880-00261092 of contemporary market-oriented left eN22YPDopzc-01117-00261092-00261294 libertarianism sometimes labeled eN22YPDopzc-01118-00261294-00261626 left-wing market anarchism overlaps to a eN22YPDopzc-01119-00261627-00261806 significant degree with that of Steiner eN22YPDopzc-01120-00261807-00262034 Valentine left libertarianism as the eN22YPDopzc-01121-00262035-00262202 roots of that tradition are sketched in eN22YPDopzc-01122-00262203-00262337 the book the origins of left eN22YPDopzc-01123-00262338-00262651 libertarianism Carson long style left eN22YPDopzc-01124-00262652-00262892 libertarianism is rooted in 19th century eN22YPDopzc-01125-00262893-00263102 mutualism and in the work of figures eN22YPDopzc-01126-00263103-00263271 such as Thomas Hodge skin' and the eN22YPDopzc-01127-00263272-00263483 individualist anarchists Benjamin Tucker eN22YPDopzc-01128-00263484-00263766 and Lysander Spooner while with notable eN22YPDopzc-01129-00263767-00263994 exceptions market oriented libertarians eN22YPDopzc-01130-00263995-00264173 after Tucker tended to ally with the eN22YPDopzc-01131-00264174-00264353 political right relationships between eN22YPDopzc-01132-00264354-00264599 such libertarians and a new left thrived eN22YPDopzc-01133-00264600-00264827 in the 1960s laying the groundwork for eN22YPDopzc-01134-00264828-00265051 modern left-wing market anarchism eN22YPDopzc-01135-00265052-00265322 left-wing market anarchism identifies eN22YPDopzc-01136-00265323-00265555 with left libertarianism or left-wing eN22YPDopzc-01137-00265556-00265754 libertarianism which names several eN22YPDopzc-01138-00265755-00265934 related but distinct approaches to eN22YPDopzc-01139-00265935-00266153 politics society culture and political eN22YPDopzc-01140-00266154-00266381 and social theory which stressed both eN22YPDopzc-01141-00266382-00266602 individual freedom and social justice eN22YPDopzc-01142-00266603-00266871 unlike right libertarians they believe eN22YPDopzc-01143-00266872-00267056 that neither claiming nor mixing one's eN22YPDopzc-01144-00267057-00267270 labor with natural resources is enough eN22YPDopzc-01145-00267271-00267476 to generate full private property rights eN22YPDopzc-01146-00267477-00267704 and maintain that natural resources land eN22YPDopzc-01147-00267705-00267921 oil gold and trees ought to be eN22YPDopzc-01148-00267922-00268095 in some egalitarian manner either eN22YPDopzc-01149-00268096-00268338 unknown door owned collectively those eN22YPDopzc-01150-00268339-00268563 left-libertarians who support private eN22YPDopzc-01151-00268564-00268746 property do so under the condition that eN22YPDopzc-01152-00268747-00268938 recompense is offered to the local eN22YPDopzc-01153-00268939-00269300 community eN22YPDopzc-01154-00269301-00269774 topic and narco capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01155-00269775-00270029 and Marko capitalism advocates the eN22YPDopzc-01156-00270030-00270227 elimination of the state in favor of a eN22YPDopzc-01157-00270228-00270505 lazy fair economic system in an eN22YPDopzc-01158-00270506-00270698 anarcho-capitalist society law eN22YPDopzc-01159-00270699-00270866 enforcement courts and all other eN22YPDopzc-01160-00270867-00271052 security services would be funded eN22YPDopzc-01161-00271053-00271217 voluntarily through the marketplace eN22YPDopzc-01162-00271218-00271352 rather than through confiscatory eN22YPDopzc-01163-00271353-00271565 taxation and money would be privately eN22YPDopzc-01164-00271566-00271766 and competitively provided in an open eN22YPDopzc-01165-00271767-00272060 market therefore personal and economic eN22YPDopzc-01166-00272061-00272261 activities under anarcho-capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01167-00272262-00272432 would be regulated through the legal eN22YPDopzc-01168-00272433-00272654 marketplace for tort and property law by eN22YPDopzc-01169-00272655-00272852 contracts rather than monopolistically eN22YPDopzc-01170-00272853-00273164 through majority or autocracy and narco eN22YPDopzc-01171-00273165-00273392 capitalism developed from radical anti eN22YPDopzc-01172-00273393-00273575 state libertarianism drawing from eN22YPDopzc-01173-00273576-00273812 Austrian school economics study of law eN22YPDopzc-01174-00273813-00274031 and economics and public choice Theory eN22YPDopzc-01175-00274032-00274241 the majority of anarchist theorists do eN22YPDopzc-01176-00274242-00274451 not consider anarcho-capitalism as a eN22YPDopzc-01177-00274452-00274631 part of the anarchist movement due to eN22YPDopzc-01178-00274632-00274838 the fact that anarchism has historically eN22YPDopzc-01179-00274839-00275045 been an anti-capitalist movement and for eN22YPDopzc-01180-00275046-00275237 definitional reasons which see anarchism eN22YPDopzc-01181-00275238-00275795 incompatible with capitalist forms eN22YPDopzc-01182-00275796-00276313 topic issues and proposals eN22YPDopzc-01183-00276314-00276939 topic anarchist criticisms of capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01184-00276940-00277209 the authors of an anarchist FAQ state eN22YPDopzc-01185-00277210-00277398 that anarchists have long recognized eN22YPDopzc-01186-00277399-00277599 that capitalism is by its very nature eN22YPDopzc-01187-00277600-00277899 hierarchical the worker is subjected to eN22YPDopzc-01188-00277900-00278073 the authority of the boss during working eN22YPDopzc-01189-00278074-00278385 hours sometimes outside work - they eN22YPDopzc-01190-00278386-00278661 state this hierarchical control of wage eN22YPDopzc-01191-00278662-00278895 labor has the effect of alienating eN22YPDopzc-01192-00278896-00279111 workers from their own work and so from eN22YPDopzc-01193-00279112-00279417 themselves workers no longer govern eN22YPDopzc-01194-00279418-00279645 themselves during work hours and so are eN22YPDopzc-01195-00279646-00279987 no longer free so this is why capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01196-00279988-00280269 by treating labor as analogous to all eN22YPDopzc-01197-00280270-00280476 other commodities denies the key eN22YPDopzc-01198-00280477-00280760 distinction between labor and other eN22YPDopzc-01199-00280761-00281034 resources that is to say it's eN22YPDopzc-01200-00281035-00281313 inseparability from its bearer labor eN22YPDopzc-01201-00281314-00281664 unlike other property is endowed with eN22YPDopzc-01202-00281665-00281979 will and agency thus when one speaks of eN22YPDopzc-01203-00281980-00282146 selling labor there is a necessary eN22YPDopzc-01204-00282147-00282528 subjugation of well hierarchy eN22YPDopzc-01205-00282529-00282820 creative self-managed work is a source eN22YPDopzc-01206-00282821-00283027 of pride and joy and part of what it eN22YPDopzc-01207-00283028-00283294 means to be fully human wrenching eN22YPDopzc-01208-00283295-00283483 control of work from the hands of the eN22YPDopzc-01209-00283484-00283696 worker profoundly harms his or her eN22YPDopzc-01210-00283697-00284005 mental and physical health they also eN22YPDopzc-01211-00284006-00284275 established the following eN22YPDopzc-01212-00284276-00284521 capitalism itself was created by state eN22YPDopzc-01213-00284522-00284674 violence and the destruction of eN22YPDopzc-01214-00284675-00284866 traditional ways of life and social eN22YPDopzc-01215-00284867-00285130 interaction was part of that task from eN22YPDopzc-01216-00285131-00285199 the start eN22YPDopzc-01217-00285200-00285382 bosses spent considerable time and eN22YPDopzc-01218-00285383-00285571 energy combating attempts of working eN22YPDopzc-01219-00285572-00285751 people to join together to resist the eN22YPDopzc-01220-00285752-00285943 hierarchy they were subjected to and eN22YPDopzc-01221-00285944-00286264 reassert human values such forms of free eN22YPDopzc-01222-00286265-00286509 association between equals such as trade eN22YPDopzc-01223-00286510-00286726 unions work on baited just as attempts eN22YPDopzc-01224-00286727-00286897 to regulate the worst excesses of the eN22YPDopzc-01225-00286898-00287184 system by democratic governments indeed eN22YPDopzc-01226-00287185-00287434 capitalists prefer centralized elitist eN22YPDopzc-01227-00287435-00287656 and/or authoritarian regimes precisely eN22YPDopzc-01228-00287657-00287842 because they are sure to be outside of eN22YPDopzc-01229-00287843-00288226 popular control c-section be 2.5 they eN22YPDopzc-01230-00288227-00288388 are the only way that contractual eN22YPDopzc-01231-00288389-00288592 relations based on market power could be eN22YPDopzc-01232-00288593-00288855 enforced on an unwilling population eN22YPDopzc-01233-00288856-00289087 capitalism was born under such states eN22YPDopzc-01234-00289088-00289294 and as well as backing fascist movements eN22YPDopzc-01235-00289295-00289509 they made high profits in Nazi Germany eN22YPDopzc-01236-00289510-00289753 and fascist Italy today many eN22YPDopzc-01237-00289754-00290052 corporations regularly do business with eN22YPDopzc-01238-00290053-00290308 totalitarian and authoritarian regimes eN22YPDopzc-01239-00290309-00290628 again because it is profitable to do so eN22YPDopzc-01240-00290629-00290905 indeed there is a trend by US eN22YPDopzc-01241-00290906-00291327 corporations to invest in such countries eN22YPDopzc-01242-00291328-00291613 perhaps unsurprisingly as such regimes eN22YPDopzc-01243-00291614-00291834 are best able to enforce the necessary eN22YPDopzc-01244-00291835-00292162 conditions to commodify labor fully for eN22YPDopzc-01245-00292163-00292357 the influential German individualist eN22YPDopzc-01246-00292358-00292534 anarchist philosopher max Stirner eN22YPDopzc-01247-00292535-00292888 private property as a spook which lives eN22YPDopzc-01248-00292889-00293184 by the grace of law and it becomes mine eN22YPDopzc-01249-00293185-00293455 only by effect of the law quote . in eN22YPDopzc-01250-00293456-00293719 other words private property exists eN22YPDopzc-01251-00293720-00293959 purely through the protection of the eN22YPDopzc-01252-00293960-00294213 state through the state's grace quote . eN22YPDopzc-01253-00294214-00294409 recognizing its need for state eN22YPDopzc-01254-00294410-00294696 protection sterner is also aware that i eN22YPDopzc-01255-00294697-00294994 t need not make any difference to the eN22YPDopzc-01256-00294995-00295177 good citizens who protects them in their eN22YPDopzc-01257-00295178-00295387 principles whether an absolute king or a eN22YPDopzc-01258-00295388-00295633 constitutional one a republic if only eN22YPDopzc-01259-00295634-00295840 they are protected and what is their eN22YPDopzc-01260-00295841-00296026 principal whose protector they always eN22YPDopzc-01261-00296027-00296355 love not that of labour rather it is eN22YPDopzc-01262-00296356-00296746 interest bearing possession laboring eN22YPDopzc-01263-00296747-00297124 capital therefore labour certainly yet eN22YPDopzc-01264-00297125-00297322 little or none at all of one's own but eN22YPDopzc-01265-00297323-00297510 labour of capital and of the subject eN22YPDopzc-01266-00297511-00297623 laborers eN22YPDopzc-01267-00297624-00297869 dot French anarchist pierre-joseph eN22YPDopzc-01268-00297870-00298112 Proudhon deposed government privilege eN22YPDopzc-01269-00298113-00298343 that protects capitalist banking and eN22YPDopzc-01270-00298344-00298493 land interests as well as the eN22YPDopzc-01271-00298494-00298733 accumulation or acquisition of property eN22YPDopzc-01272-00298734-00299003 and any form of coercion that led to it eN22YPDopzc-01273-00299004-00299216 which he believed hampers competition eN22YPDopzc-01274-00299217-00299438 and keeps wealth in the hands of the few eN22YPDopzc-01275-00299439-00299735 the Spanish individualist anarchist eN22YPDopzc-01276-00299736-00300116 Miguel Jimenez Aguada sees capitalism as eN22YPDopzc-01277-00300117-00300248 an effective government the eN22YPDopzc-01278-00300249-00300401 disappearance of government means eN22YPDopzc-01279-00300402-00300587 capitalism Falls from its pedestal eN22YPDopzc-01280-00300588-00300810 vertiginous Lee eN22YPDopzc-01281-00300811-00301002 that which we call capitalism is not eN22YPDopzc-01282-00301003-00301197 something else but a product of the eN22YPDopzc-01283-00301198-00301377 state within which the only thing that eN22YPDopzc-01284-00301378-00301578 is being pushed forward is profit good eN22YPDopzc-01285-00301579-00301827 or badly acquired and so to fight eN22YPDopzc-01286-00301828-00302043 against capitalism as a pointless task eN22YPDopzc-01287-00302044-00302250 since be it state capitalism or eN22YPDopzc-01288-00302251-00302442 enterprise capitalism as long as eN22YPDopzc-01289-00302443-00302664 government exists exploiting capital eN22YPDopzc-01290-00302665-00302877 will exist the fight but of eN22YPDopzc-01291-00302878-00303042 consciousness is against the state eN22YPDopzc-01292-00303043-00303267 within anarchism there emerged a eN22YPDopzc-01293-00303268-00303501 critique of wage slavery which refers to eN22YPDopzc-01294-00303502-00303813 a situation perceived as quasi voluntary eN22YPDopzc-01295-00303814-00304044 slavery where a person's livelihood eN22YPDopzc-01296-00304045-00304182 depends on wages eN22YPDopzc-01297-00304183-00304422 especially when the dependence is total eN22YPDopzc-01298-00304423-00304671 and immediate it is a negatively eN22YPDopzc-01299-00304672-00304869 connoted term used to draw an analogy eN22YPDopzc-01300-00304870-00305145 between slavery and wage labor by eN22YPDopzc-01301-00305146-00305388 focusing on similarities between owning eN22YPDopzc-01302-00305389-00305733 and renting a person the term wage eN22YPDopzc-01303-00305734-00305907 slavery has been used to criticize eN22YPDopzc-01304-00305908-00306150 economic exploitation and social eN22YPDopzc-01305-00306151-00306339 stratification with the former seen eN22YPDopzc-01306-00306340-00306546 primarily as unequal bargaining power eN22YPDopzc-01307-00306547-00306705 between labor and capital eN22YPDopzc-01308-00306706-00306885 particularly when workers are paid eN22YPDopzc-01309-00306886-00307170 comparatively low wages eg in sweatshops eN22YPDopzc-01310-00307171-00307356 and the latter is a lack of workers eN22YPDopzc-01311-00307357-00307581 self-management fulfilling job choices eN22YPDopzc-01312-00307582-00307869 and leisure in an economy libertarian eN22YPDopzc-01313-00307870-00308067 socialists believe that if freedom is eN22YPDopzc-01314-00308068-00308295 valued then society must work towards a eN22YPDopzc-01315-00308296-00308475 system in which individuals have the eN22YPDopzc-01316-00308476-00308682 power to decide economic issues along eN22YPDopzc-01317-00308683-00308952 with political issues libertarian eN22YPDopzc-01318-00308953-00309174 socialists seek to replace and justified eN22YPDopzc-01319-00309175-00309332 Authority with direct democracy eN22YPDopzc-01320-00309333-00309570 voluntary Federation and popular eN22YPDopzc-01321-00309571-00309735 autonomy in all aspects of life eN22YPDopzc-01322-00309736-00309948 including physical communities and eN22YPDopzc-01323-00309949-00310236 economic enterprises with the advent of eN22YPDopzc-01324-00310237-00310443 the Industrial Revolution thinkers such eN22YPDopzc-01325-00310444-00310635 as Proudhon and Marx elaborated the eN22YPDopzc-01326-00310636-00310836 comparison between wage labor and eN22YPDopzc-01327-00310837-00311040 slavery in the context of a critique of eN22YPDopzc-01328-00311041-00311235 societal property not intended for eN22YPDopzc-01329-00311236-00311466 active personal use Luddites emphasized eN22YPDopzc-01330-00311467-00311646 the dehumanization brought about by eN22YPDopzc-01331-00311647-00311796 machines while later Emma Goldman eN22YPDopzc-01332-00311797-00312012 famously denounced wage slavery by eN22YPDopzc-01333-00312013-00312237 saying the only difference is that you eN22YPDopzc-01334-00312238-00312569 are hired slaves instead of block slaves eN22YPDopzc-01335-00312570-00312798 Goldman believed that the economic eN22YPDopzc-01336-00312799-00312975 system of capitalism was incompatible eN22YPDopzc-01337-00312976-00313263 with human liberty the only demand that eN22YPDopzc-01338-00313264-00313533 property recognizes she wrote in eN22YPDopzc-01339-00313534-00313776 anarchism and other essays is its own eN22YPDopzc-01340-00313777-00313986 gluttonous appetite for greater wealth eN22YPDopzc-01341-00313987-00314172 because wealth means power eN22YPDopzc-01342-00314173-00314415 the power to subdue to crush to exploit eN22YPDopzc-01343-00314416-00314655 the power to enslave to outrage to eN22YPDopzc-01344-00314656-00314984 degrade she also argued that capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01345-00314985-00315294 dehumanized workers turning the producer eN22YPDopzc-01346-00315295-00315528 into a mere particle of a machine with eN22YPDopzc-01347-00315529-00315710 less will and decision than his master eN22YPDopzc-01348-00315711-00316077 of steel and iron Noam Chomsky contends eN22YPDopzc-01349-00316078-00316215 that there is little moral difference eN22YPDopzc-01350-00316216-00316425 between chattel slavery and renting eN22YPDopzc-01351-00316426-00316782 oneself to an owner or wage slavery he eN22YPDopzc-01352-00316783-00316974 feels that it is an attack on personal eN22YPDopzc-01353-00316975-00317169 integrity that undermines individual eN22YPDopzc-01354-00317170-00317433 freedom he holds that workers should own eN22YPDopzc-01355-00317434-00317649 and control their workplace many eN22YPDopzc-01356-00317650-00317853 libertarian socialists argue that eN22YPDopzc-01357-00317854-00318072 large-scale voluntary associations eN22YPDopzc-01358-00318073-00318270 should manage industrial manufacture eN22YPDopzc-01359-00318271-00318434 while workers retain rights to the eN22YPDopzc-01360-00318435-00318620 individual products of their labor as eN22YPDopzc-01361-00318621-00318888 such they see a distinction between the eN22YPDopzc-01362-00318889-00319163 concepts of private property and eN22YPDopzc-01363-00319164-00319518 personal possession whereas private eN22YPDopzc-01364-00319519-00319827 property grants an individual exclusive eN22YPDopzc-01365-00319828-00320001 control over a thing whether it is in eN22YPDopzc-01366-00320002-00320169 use are not in regardless of its eN22YPDopzc-01367-00320170-00320493 productive capacity possession grants no eN22YPDopzc-01368-00320494-00320673 rights to things that are not in use in eN22YPDopzc-01369-00320674-00320880 addition to anarchist Benjamin Tucker's eN22YPDopzc-01370-00320881-00321260 big for monopolies land money tariffs eN22YPDopzc-01371-00321261-00321423 and patents that have emerged under eN22YPDopzc-01372-00321424-00321705 capitalism neo mutualist economist Kevin eN22YPDopzc-01373-00321706-00321888 Carson argues that the state has also eN22YPDopzc-01374-00321889-00322065 transferred wealth to the wealthy by eN22YPDopzc-01375-00322066-00322227 subsidizing organizational eN22YPDopzc-01376-00322228-00322380 centralization in the form of eN22YPDopzc-01377-00322381-00322551 transportation and communication eN22YPDopzc-01378-00322552-00322788 subsidies he believes that Tucker eN22YPDopzc-01379-00322789-00322980 overlooked this issue due to Tucker's eN22YPDopzc-01380-00322981-00323217 focus on individual market transactions eN22YPDopzc-01381-00323218-00323400 whereas Carson also focuses on eN22YPDopzc-01382-00323401-00323697 organizational issues the theoretical eN22YPDopzc-01383-00323698-00323877 sections of studies in mutualist eN22YPDopzc-01384-00323878-00324081 political economy are presented as an eN22YPDopzc-01385-00324082-00324240 attempt to integrate marginalist eN22YPDopzc-01386-00324241-00324482 critiques into the labor theory of value eN22YPDopzc-01387-00324483-00324807 Carson holds that arising as a new class eN22YPDopzc-01388-00324808-00325038 society directly from the old class eN22YPDopzc-01389-00325039-00325317 society of the Middle Ages capitalism eN22YPDopzc-01390-00325318-00325530 was founded on an act of robbery as eN22YPDopzc-01391-00325531-00325758 massive as the earlier feudal conquest eN22YPDopzc-01392-00325759-00326049 of the land it has been sustained to the eN22YPDopzc-01393-00326050-00326289 present by continual state intervention eN22YPDopzc-01394-00326290-00326475 to protect its system of privilege eN22YPDopzc-01395-00326476-00326631 without which its survival is eN22YPDopzc-01396-00326632-00326826 unimaginable eN22YPDopzc-01397-00326827-00327119 Carson coined the pejorative term vulgar eN22YPDopzc-01398-00327120-00327348 libertarianism a phrase that describes eN22YPDopzc-01399-00327349-00327573 the use of a free-market rhetoric in eN22YPDopzc-01400-00327574-00327768 defense of corporate capitalism and eN22YPDopzc-01401-00327769-00327978 economic inequality see economic eN22YPDopzc-01402-00327979-00328190 liberalism and right libertarianism eN22YPDopzc-01403-00328191-00328431 according to Carson the term is derived eN22YPDopzc-01404-00328432-00328731 from the phrase vulgar political economy eN22YPDopzc-01405-00328732-00329019 which Karl Marx described as an economic eN22YPDopzc-01406-00329020-00329220 order that deliberately becomes eN22YPDopzc-01407-00329221-00329448 increasingly apologetic and makes eN22YPDopzc-01408-00329449-00329625 strenuous attempts to talk out of eN22YPDopzc-01409-00329626-00329865 existence the ideas which contain the eN22YPDopzc-01410-00329866-00330356 contradictions existing in economic life eN22YPDopzc-01411-00330357-00330511 you eN22YPDopzc-01412-00330512-00331150 topic economics is anarchist strategy eN22YPDopzc-01413-00331151-00331400 economic secession has been variously eN22YPDopzc-01414-00331401-00331630 defined by sources in its narrowest eN22YPDopzc-01415-00331631-00331844 sense it is abstention from the state's eN22YPDopzc-01416-00331845-00332075 economic system for instance by eN22YPDopzc-01417-00332076-00332249 replacing the use of government money eN22YPDopzc-01418-00332250-00332455 with barter local exchange trading eN22YPDopzc-01419-00332456-00332693 systems or commodity money such as gold eN22YPDopzc-01420-00332694-00333022 as such anarchists can often be found eN22YPDopzc-01421-00333023-00333275 advocating for mass refusal and the eN22YPDopzc-01422-00333276-00333452 withdrawal of our participation eN22YPDopzc-01423-00333453-00333706 sometimes in the form of general strikes eN22YPDopzc-01424-00333707-00333950 sometimes as in the case of the illegal eN22YPDopzc-01425-00333951-00334134 ist's in the forms of direct eN22YPDopzc-01426-00334135-00334354 expropriations with the support and eN22YPDopzc-01427-00334355-00334595 participation of social movements are eN22YPDopzc-01428-00334596-00334778 not sometimes in the forms of eN22YPDopzc-01429-00334779-00335029 occupations and the taking of space and eN22YPDopzc-01430-00335030-00335240 still other times in advocating for eN22YPDopzc-01431-00335241-00335477 creating alternatives to capitalist eN22YPDopzc-01432-00335478-00335639 relations in the here-and-now eN22YPDopzc-01433-00335640-00335980 and so on some anarchists believe that eN22YPDopzc-01434-00335981-00336188 it is not radical political activity eN22YPDopzc-01435-00336189-00336419 that will transform society but radical eN22YPDopzc-01436-00336420-00336610 economic activity that will make true eN22YPDopzc-01437-00336611-00336904 change they regard boycotts consumer eN22YPDopzc-01438-00336905-00337148 advocacy and class action lawsuits to be eN22YPDopzc-01439-00337149-00337309 merely liberal actions that do not eN22YPDopzc-01440-00337310-00337478 address the core problem which is eN22YPDopzc-01441-00337479-00337783 capitalism itself Italian and narco eN22YPDopzc-01442-00337784-00338015 communist era comala testa argued that eN22YPDopzc-01443-00338016-00338297 each victory however small gained by the eN22YPDopzc-01444-00338298-00338509 workers against their exploiters each eN22YPDopzc-01445-00338510-00338753 decrease of profit every bit of wealth eN22YPDopzc-01446-00338754-00338999 taken from the individual owners and put eN22YPDopzc-01447-00339000-00339194 at the disposal of all shall be a eN22YPDopzc-01448-00339195-00339409 progress a forward step towards eN22YPDopzc-01449-00339410-00339712 anarchism participatory economics eN22YPDopzc-01450-00339713-00339938 addresses the division of labor question eN22YPDopzc-01451-00339939-00340210 by advocating balanced job complexes eN22YPDopzc-01452-00340211-00340384 wherein all workers at a production eN22YPDopzc-01453-00340385-00340613 facility share in all aspects of labour eN22YPDopzc-01454-00340614-00340810 ie everyone takes part in labor eN22YPDopzc-01455-00340811-00341035 management maintenance and all related eN22YPDopzc-01456-00341036-00341243 work to ensure equality and that skills eN22YPDopzc-01457-00341244-00341474 are shared amongst workers some eN22YPDopzc-01458-00341475-00341653 anarchists that changing personal eN22YPDopzc-01459-00341654-00341837 consumption habits to minimize or eN22YPDopzc-01460-00341838-00342047 eliminate entirely involvement in the eN22YPDopzc-01461-00342048-00342224 prevailing capitalist economy is eN22YPDopzc-01462-00342225-00342419 essential to practicing anarchism in eN22YPDopzc-01463-00342420-00342677 their lives withdrawing from the system eN22YPDopzc-01464-00342678-00342917 by living on scavenged stolen or scammed eN22YPDopzc-01465-00342918-00343156 resources is often touted by individuals eN22YPDopzc-01466-00343157-00343298 and groups influenced by the eN22YPDopzc-01467-00343299-00343504 Situationists such as crime think as a eN22YPDopzc-01468-00343505-00343691 viable means of survival and non eN22YPDopzc-01469-00343692-00344119 participation in the system eN22YPDopzc-01470-00344120-00344690 topic anarchist value theory eN22YPDopzc-01471-00344691-00344967 pierre-joseph Proudhon mutualism and eN22YPDopzc-01472-00344968-00345192 american individualist anarchists such eN22YPDopzc-01473-00345193-00345414 as Josiah Warren Lysander Spooner and eN22YPDopzc-01474-00345415-00345621 Benjamin Tucker adopted the liberal eN22YPDopzc-01475-00345622-00345816 labor theory of value of classical eN22YPDopzc-01476-00345817-00346005 economics but they used it to criticize eN22YPDopzc-01477-00346006-00346257 capitalism instead favoring a non eN22YPDopzc-01478-00346258-00346455 capitalist market system egoist eN22YPDopzc-01479-00346456-00346663 anarchist max Turner did not adhere to eN22YPDopzc-01480-00346664-00346854 anything close to the labor theory of eN22YPDopzc-01481-00346855-00347046 value and affirmed that the only real eN22YPDopzc-01482-00347047-00347232 base for possession is might over it eN22YPDopzc-01483-00347233-00347442 collectivist anarchism as defended by eN22YPDopzc-01484-00347443-00347539 Mikhail Bakunin eN22YPDopzc-01485-00347540-00347733 defended a form of the labor theory of eN22YPDopzc-01486-00347734-00347934 value when it advocated a system where eN22YPDopzc-01487-00347935-00348201 all necessaries for production are owned eN22YPDopzc-01488-00348202-00348420 in common by the labor groups and the eN22YPDopzc-01489-00348421-00348642 free communes eN22YPDopzc-01490-00348643-00348854 based on the distribution of goods eN22YPDopzc-01491-00348855-00349153 according to the labor contributed eN22YPDopzc-01492-00349154-00349403 anarcho-communism as defended by Peter eN22YPDopzc-01493-00349404-00349623 Kropotkin and Eric o Malatesta eN22YPDopzc-01494-00349624-00349829 rejected the labor theory of value and eN22YPDopzc-01495-00349830-00350064 exchange value itself advocated a gift eN22YPDopzc-01496-00350065-00350539 economy and to base distribution on me eN22YPDopzc-01497-00350540-00351033 topic ethics of pricing eN22YPDopzc-01498-00351034-00351348 Josiah Warren termed the phrase cost the eN22YPDopzc-01499-00351349-00351753 limit of price with cost here referring eN22YPDopzc-01500-00351754-00351969 not to monetary price paid but the labor eN22YPDopzc-01501-00351970-00352221 one exerted to produce an item this eN22YPDopzc-01502-00352222-00352434 understanding of cost as congruent with eN22YPDopzc-01503-00352435-00352611 that of the classical economist Adam eN22YPDopzc-01504-00352612-00352821 Smith who said the real price of eN22YPDopzc-01505-00352822-00353079 everything what everything really costs eN22YPDopzc-01506-00353080-00353268 to the man who wants to acquire it is eN22YPDopzc-01507-00353269-00353558 the toil and trouble of acquiring it eN22YPDopzc-01508-00353559-00353775 however Warren reached different eN22YPDopzc-01509-00353776-00353970 conclusions as he believed that goods eN22YPDopzc-01510-00353971-00354150 and services should trade according to eN22YPDopzc-01511-00354151-00354327 how much labour was exerted to produce eN22YPDopzc-01512-00354328-00354543 them and bring them to market instead of eN22YPDopzc-01513-00354544-00354717 according to how individuals believed eN22YPDopzc-01514-00354718-00354993 them to be subjectively worth therefore eN22YPDopzc-01515-00354994-00355266 h e-- proposed a system to pay people eN22YPDopzc-01516-00355267-00355494 with certificates indicating how many eN22YPDopzc-01517-00355495-00355758 hours of work they did they could eN22YPDopzc-01518-00355759-00355980 exchange the notes at local time stores eN22YPDopzc-01519-00355981-00356181 for goods that took the same amount of eN22YPDopzc-01520-00356182-00356529 time to produce to charge more labour eN22YPDopzc-01521-00356530-00356715 for something that entailed less labor eN22YPDopzc-01522-00356716-00357006 was cannibalism according to him eN22YPDopzc-01523-00357007-00357201 moreover he believed that trading eN22YPDopzc-01524-00357202-00357440 according to cost the limit of price eN22YPDopzc-01525-00357441-00357714 would promote increasing efficiency in eN22YPDopzc-01526-00357715-00357930 an economy as he explains inequitable eN22YPDopzc-01527-00357931-00358140 commerce if cost has made the limit of eN22YPDopzc-01528-00358141-00358365 price everyone becomes interested in eN22YPDopzc-01529-00358366-00358557 reducing cost by bringing in all the eN22YPDopzc-01530-00358558-00358749 economies all the facilities to their eN22YPDopzc-01531-00358750-00359034 aid but on the contrary if cost does not eN22YPDopzc-01532-00359035-00359223 govern the price but everything is eN22YPDopzc-01533-00359224-00359385 priced at what it will bring there are eN22YPDopzc-01534-00359386-00359730 no such cooperating interests if I am to eN22YPDopzc-01535-00359731-00359964 have my supply of flour at cost then any eN22YPDopzc-01536-00359965-00360138 facility I can afford to the wheat eN22YPDopzc-01537-00360139-00360357 grower reduces the cost to me and it eN22YPDopzc-01538-00360358-00360501 does the same for all who have any eN22YPDopzc-01539-00360502-00360690 portion of the wheat I am promoting all eN22YPDopzc-01540-00360691-00360984 their interests while pursuing my own eN22YPDopzc-01541-00360985-00361179 now if the wheat were not to be sold to eN22YPDopzc-01542-00361180-00361401 us at cost but at whatever it would eN22YPDopzc-01543-00361402-00361669 bring according to our necessities then eN22YPDopzc-01544-00361670-00361837 none of us would have any interest in eN22YPDopzc-01545-00361838-00362058 affording facilities repairing breaches eN22YPDopzc-01546-00362059-00362280 nor in any other way cooperating with eN22YPDopzc-01547-00362281-00362526 the producer of it the same motive would eN22YPDopzc-01548-00362527-00362730 act in the production preservation and eN22YPDopzc-01549-00362731-00363040 use of everything he put his theories to eN22YPDopzc-01550-00363041-00363219 the test by establishing an experimental eN22YPDopzc-01551-00363220-00363517 labor for labor store called the eN22YPDopzc-01552-00363518-00363720 Cincinnati time store at the corner of eN22YPDopzc-01553-00363721-00363885 5th and elm streets in what is now eN22YPDopzc-01554-00363886-00364090 downtown Cincinnati where trade was eN22YPDopzc-01555-00364091-00364312 facilitated by notes backed by a promise eN22YPDopzc-01556-00364313-00364551 to perform labor all the goods offered eN22YPDopzc-01557-00364552-00364776 for sale in Warren's store were offered eN22YPDopzc-01558-00364777-00364987 at the same price the merchant himself eN22YPDopzc-01559-00364988-00365239 had paid for them plus a small surcharge eN22YPDopzc-01560-00365240-00365430 in the neighborhood of four to seven eN22YPDopzc-01561-00365431-00365767 percent to cover store overhead the eN22YPDopzc-01562-00365768-00366003 store proved successful and operated for eN22YPDopzc-01563-00366004-00366210 three years after which it was closed so eN22YPDopzc-01564-00366211-00366388 that Warren could pursue establishing eN22YPDopzc-01565-00366389-00366643 colonies based on mutualism these eN22YPDopzc-01566-00366644-00366945 included utopia and modern times Warren eN22YPDopzc-01567-00366946-00367131 said that Steven Pearl Andrews the eN22YPDopzc-01568-00367132-00367449 science of society published in 1852 was eN22YPDopzc-01569-00367450-00367666 the most lucid and complete exposition eN22YPDopzc-01570-00367667-00368035 of Warren's own theories eN22YPDopzc-01571-00368036-00368531 topic energy credits eN22YPDopzc-01572-00368532-00368729 the theory that all values can be eN22YPDopzc-01573-00368730-00369035 evaluated in terms of joules in the same eN22YPDopzc-01574-00369036-00369251 vein as the Labour theory of value this eN22YPDopzc-01575-00369252-00369446 is an attempt to make a normative basis eN22YPDopzc-01576-00369447-00369623 for value by accounting for embodied eN22YPDopzc-01577-00369624-00369881 energy accounting for such a system eN22YPDopzc-01578-00369882-00370079 would be vastly more complex than eN22YPDopzc-01579-00370080-00370280 current or other theoretical currency eN22YPDopzc-01580-00370281-00370475 systems because all energy output of eN22YPDopzc-01581-00370476-00370676 workers and energy expenditure on goods eN22YPDopzc-01582-00370677-00370901 services must be tracked something that eN22YPDopzc-01583-00370902-00371084 is thought impossible and useless by eN22YPDopzc-01584-00371085-00371381 many anarchists one group that has eN22YPDopzc-01585-00371382-00371606 advocated a system using energy as the eN22YPDopzc-01586-00371607-00371810 technocracy movement with a system based eN22YPDopzc-01587-00371811-00371990 on energy accounting where energy is eN22YPDopzc-01588-00371991-00372320 used to buy a product or service without eN22YPDopzc-01589-00372321-00372515 being exchanged so the effect is that eN22YPDopzc-01590-00372516-00372749 products or services are distributed to eN22YPDopzc-01591-00372750-00372929 the user without gained by the provider eN22YPDopzc-01592-00372930-00373136 who has the same amount of energy in his eN22YPDopzc-01593-00373137-00373331 or her account regardless so allegedly eN22YPDopzc-01594-00373332-00373758 making profit impossible eN22YPDopzc-01595-00373759-00373989 topic workers issues in eN22YPDopzc-01596-00373990-00374476 anarcho-syndicalism eN22YPDopzc-01597-00374477-00374675 anarcho-syndicalism is a branch of eN22YPDopzc-01598-00374676-00374864 anarchism which focuses on the labor eN22YPDopzc-01599-00374865-00375152 movement syndicalism II as a French word eN22YPDopzc-01600-00375153-00375326 ultimately derived from the Greek eN22YPDopzc-01601-00375327-00375524 meaning trade unionism eN22YPDopzc-01602-00375525-00375908 hence the syndicalism qualification eN22YPDopzc-01603-00375909-00376106 syndicalism is an alternative eN22YPDopzc-01604-00376107-00376376 cooperative economic system adherents eN22YPDopzc-01605-00376377-00376550 view it as a potential force for eN22YPDopzc-01606-00376551-00376766 revolutionary social change replacing eN22YPDopzc-01607-00376767-00376940 capitalism in the state with a new eN22YPDopzc-01608-00376941-00377183 society democratically self-managed by eN22YPDopzc-01609-00377184-00377476 workers the basic principles of eN22YPDopzc-01610-00377477-00377645 anarcho-syndicalism are workers eN22YPDopzc-01611-00377646-00377894 solidarity direct action and workers eN22YPDopzc-01612-00377895-00378155 self-management anarcho-syndicalist eN22YPDopzc-01613-00378156-00378440 believe that only direct action that as eN22YPDopzc-01614-00378441-00378626 action concentrated on directly eN22YPDopzc-01615-00378627-00378842 attaining a goal as opposed to indirect eN22YPDopzc-01616-00378843-00379049 action such as electing a representative eN22YPDopzc-01617-00379050-00379238 to a government position will allow eN22YPDopzc-01618-00379239-00379550 workers to liberate themselves moreover eN22YPDopzc-01619-00379551-00379748 and narco syndicalists believe that eN22YPDopzc-01620-00379749-00379982 workers organizations the organizations eN22YPDopzc-01621-00379983-00380144 that struggle against the wage system eN22YPDopzc-01622-00380145-00380375 which in anarcho-syndicalist theory will eN22YPDopzc-01623-00380376-00380549 eventually form the basis of a new eN22YPDopzc-01624-00380550-00380819 society should be self managing they eN22YPDopzc-01625-00380820-00381026 should not have bosses or business eN22YPDopzc-01626-00381027-00381290 agents rather the workers should be able eN22YPDopzc-01627-00381291-00381443 to make all the decisions that affect eN22YPDopzc-01628-00381444-00381788 them themselves Rudolf rocker was one of eN22YPDopzc-01629-00381789-00381944 the most popular voices in the eN22YPDopzc-01630-00381945-00382220 anarcho-syndicalist movement he outlined eN22YPDopzc-01631-00382221-00382391 a view of the origins of the movement eN22YPDopzc-01632-00382392-00382565 what it sought and why it was important eN22YPDopzc-01633-00382566-00382781 to the future of labour in his 1938 eN22YPDopzc-01634-00382782-00383057 pamphlet and narcho syndicalism the eN22YPDopzc-01635-00383058-00383291 International Workers Association as an eN22YPDopzc-01636-00383292-00383480 international and narco syndicalist eN22YPDopzc-01637-00383481-00383693 Federation of various labor unions from eN22YPDopzc-01638-00383694-00383924 different countries the spanish eN22YPDopzc-01639-00383925-00384257 confederation nacional del trabajo CNT eN22YPDopzc-01640-00384258-00384443 played and still plays a major role in eN22YPDopzc-01641-00384444-00384710 the spanish labor movement it was also eN22YPDopzc-01642-00384711-00384890 an important force in the spanish civil eN22YPDopzc-01643-00384891-00385265 war anarcho-syndicalist seek to abolish eN22YPDopzc-01644-00385266-00385502 the wage system regarding it as wage eN22YPDopzc-01645-00385503-00385787 slavery and state or private ownership eN22YPDopzc-01646-00385788-00385967 of the means of production which they eN22YPDopzc-01647-00385968-00386243 believe lead to class divisions not all eN22YPDopzc-01648-00386244-00386477 seek to abolish money per se ralph eN22YPDopzc-01649-00386478-00386720 chaplin states that the ultimate aim of eN22YPDopzc-01650-00386721-00386981 the general strike as regards wages as eN22YPDopzc-01651-00386982-00387155 to give to each producer the full eN22YPDopzc-01652-00387156-00387449 product of his labor the demand for eN22YPDopzc-01653-00387450-00387716 better wages becomes revolutionary only eN22YPDopzc-01654-00387717-00387815 when it is coupled eN22YPDopzc-01655-00387816-00388025 with the demand that the exploitation of eN22YPDopzc-01656-00388026-00388216 labour must cease eN22YPDopzc-01657-00388217-00388493 additionally anarcho-syndicalist regard eN22YPDopzc-01658-00388494-00388678 the state as a profoundly anti-worker eN22YPDopzc-01659-00388679-00388927 institution they view the primary eN22YPDopzc-01660-00388928-00389090 purpose of the state as being the eN22YPDopzc-01661-00389091-00389257 defense of private property and eN22YPDopzc-01662-00389258-00389444 therefore of economic social and eN22YPDopzc-01663-00389445-00389632 political privilege even when such eN22YPDopzc-01664-00389633-00389849 defense denies its citizens the ability eN22YPDopzc-01665-00389850-00390055 to enjoy material independence and the eN22YPDopzc-01666-00390056-00390292 social autonomy which Springs from it in eN22YPDopzc-01667-00390293-00390512 contrast to other bodies of thought eN22YPDopzc-01668-00390513-00390716 Marxism Leninism being a prime example eN22YPDopzc-01669-00390717-00390974 and narco syndicalists deny that there eN22YPDopzc-01670-00390975-00391159 can be any kind of worker state or a eN22YPDopzc-01671-00391160-00391330 state which acts in the interests of eN22YPDopzc-01672-00391331-00391526 workers as opposed to those of the rich eN22YPDopzc-01673-00391527-00391793 and powerful reflecting the anarchist eN22YPDopzc-01674-00391794-00391967 philosophy from which it draws its eN22YPDopzc-01675-00391968-00392147 primary inspiration and narco eN22YPDopzc-01676-00392148-00392372 syndicalism holds to the idea that power eN22YPDopzc-01677-00392373-00392573 corrupts although and Marco syndicalism eN22YPDopzc-01678-00392574-00392782 originated close to the beginning of the eN22YPDopzc-01679-00392783-00393023 20th century it remains a popular and eN22YPDopzc-01680-00393024-00393235 active school of anarchism today and has eN22YPDopzc-01681-00393236-00393398 many supporters as well as many eN22YPDopzc-01682-00393399-00393695 currently active organizations and narco eN22YPDopzc-01683-00393696-00393931 syndicalist trade unionists being social eN22YPDopzc-01684-00393932-00394132 and arcus vary in their points of view eN22YPDopzc-01685-00394133-00394333 on anarchist economic arrangements from eN22YPDopzc-01686-00394334-00394565 a collectivist anarchism type economic eN22YPDopzc-01687-00394566-00394790 system to an anarchic communist economic eN22YPDopzc-01688-00394791-00395071 system eN22YPDopzc-01689-00395072-00395588 topic concept of wage slavery eN22YPDopzc-01690-00395589-00395847 wage slavery refers to a situation eN22YPDopzc-01691-00395848-00396120 perceived as quasi voluntary slavery eN22YPDopzc-01692-00396121-00396324 where a person's livelihood depends on eN22YPDopzc-01693-00396325-00396390 wages eN22YPDopzc-01694-00396391-00396594 especially when the dependence is total eN22YPDopzc-01695-00396595-00396810 and immediate it is a negatively eN22YPDopzc-01696-00396811-00396981 connoted term used to draw an analogy eN22YPDopzc-01697-00396982-00397215 between slavery and wage labor by eN22YPDopzc-01698-00397216-00397425 focusing on similarities between owning eN22YPDopzc-01699-00397426-00397707 and renting a person the term wage eN22YPDopzc-01700-00397708-00397941 slavery has been used to criticize eN22YPDopzc-01701-00397942-00398187 economic exploitation and social eN22YPDopzc-01702-00398188-00398376 stratification with the former seen eN22YPDopzc-01703-00398377-00398583 primarily as unequal bargaining power eN22YPDopzc-01704-00398584-00398745 between labor and capital eN22YPDopzc-01705-00398746-00398931 particularly when workers are paid eN22YPDopzc-01706-00398932-00399207 comparatively low wages eg in sweatshops eN22YPDopzc-01707-00399208-00399372 and the latter is a lack of workers eN22YPDopzc-01708-00399373-00399618 self-management fulfilling job choices eN22YPDopzc-01709-00399619-00399903 and leisure in an economy the criticism eN22YPDopzc-01710-00399904-00400125 of social stratification covers a wider eN22YPDopzc-01711-00400126-00400329 range of employment choices bound by the eN22YPDopzc-01712-00400330-00400554 pressures of a hierarchical society to eN22YPDopzc-01713-00400555-00400764 perform otherwise unfulfilling work that eN22YPDopzc-01714-00400765-00400956 deprives humans of their species eN22YPDopzc-01715-00400957-00401220 character not only under threat of eN22YPDopzc-01716-00401221-00401475 starvation or poverty but also of social eN22YPDopzc-01717-00401476-00401675 stigma and status diminution the eN22YPDopzc-01718-00401676-00401895 exchange of money and debt for work eN22YPDopzc-01719-00401896-00402096 traces back to the disintegration of eN22YPDopzc-01720-00402097-00402339 that playful work in hunter-gatherer eN22YPDopzc-01721-00402340-00402585 gift economies and the establishment of eN22YPDopzc-01722-00402586-00402858 prostitution is a fundamental feature of eN22YPDopzc-01723-00402859-00403179 human civilization similarities between eN22YPDopzc-01724-00403180-00403410 wage labor and slavery were noted in eN22YPDopzc-01725-00403411-00403584 ancient Rome by Cicero while the eN22YPDopzc-01726-00403585-00403809 pervasive practice of voluntary slavery eN22YPDopzc-01727-00403810-00403980 in medieval Russia indicates the eN22YPDopzc-01728-00403981-00404181 previous historical coexistence of eN22YPDopzc-01729-00404182-00404475 slavery and voluntary choice before the eN22YPDopzc-01730-00404476-00404589 American Civil War eN22YPDopzc-01731-00404590-00404805 southern defenders of African American eN22YPDopzc-01732-00404806-00404991 slavery invoked the concept of wage eN22YPDopzc-01733-00404992-00405174 slavery to favorably compare the eN22YPDopzc-01734-00405175-00405363 condition of their slaves to workers in eN22YPDopzc-01735-00405364-00405558 the north with the advent of the eN22YPDopzc-01736-00405559-00405762 Industrial Revolution thinkers such as eN22YPDopzc-01737-00405763-00405945 proud hend and Marx elaborated the eN22YPDopzc-01738-00405946-00406146 comparison between wage labor and eN22YPDopzc-01739-00406147-00406350 slavery in the context of a critique of eN22YPDopzc-01740-00406351-00406539 societal property not intended for eN22YPDopzc-01741-00406540-00406728 active personal use while Luddites eN22YPDopzc-01742-00406729-00406914 emphasized the dehumanization brought eN22YPDopzc-01743-00406915-00407220 about by machines Emma Goldman famously eN22YPDopzc-01744-00407221-00407457 denounced wage slavery by saying the eN22YPDopzc-01745-00407458-00407640 only difference is that you are hired eN22YPDopzc-01746-00407641-00407982 slaves instead of block slaves the eN22YPDopzc-01747-00407983-00408144 introduction of wage labor in eN22YPDopzc-01748-00408145-00408330 eighteenth-century Britain was met with eN22YPDopzc-01749-00408331-00408582 resistance giving rise to the principles eN22YPDopzc-01750-00408583-00408881 of syndicalism historically some labor eN22YPDopzc-01751-00408882-00409089 organizations and individual social eN22YPDopzc-01752-00409090-00409253 activists have espoused workers eN22YPDopzc-01753-00409254-00409464 self-management or worker cooperatives eN22YPDopzc-01754-00409465-00409937 as possible alternatives to wage labor eN22YPDopzc-01755-00409938-00410216 topic collectivization z' and workers eN22YPDopzc-01756-00410217-00410562 control eN22YPDopzc-01757-00410563-00410772 workers control is a term meaning eN22YPDopzc-01758-00410772-00410959 participation in the management of eN22YPDopzc-01759-00410960-00411087 factories and other commercial eN22YPDopzc-01760-00411088-00411293 enterprises by the people who work there eN22YPDopzc-01761-00411294-00411568 it has been variously advocated by eN22YPDopzc-01762-00411568-00411870 anarchists socialists communists social eN22YPDopzc-01763-00411871-00412078 democrats and christian democrats and eN22YPDopzc-01764-00412079-00412282 has been combined with various socialist eN22YPDopzc-01765-00412283-00412545 and mixed economy systems workers eN22YPDopzc-01766-00412546-00412784 councils are a form of workers control eN22YPDopzc-01767-00412785-00413124 for proudhon mutualism involved creating eN22YPDopzc-01768-00413125-00413437 industrial democracy a system where eN22YPDopzc-01769-00413438-00413670 workplaces would be handed over to eN22YPDopzc-01770-00413671-00413889 democratically organized workers eN22YPDopzc-01771-00413889-00414301 associations we want these associations eN22YPDopzc-01772-00414302-00414580 to be models for agriculture industry eN22YPDopzc-01773-00414581-00414799 and trade the pioneering core of that eN22YPDopzc-01774-00414800-00415009 vast federation of companies and eN22YPDopzc-01775-00415010-00415264 societies woven into the common cloth of eN22YPDopzc-01776-00415264-00415620 the democratic social republic he urged eN22YPDopzc-01777-00415621-00415837 workers to form themselves into eN22YPDopzc-01778-00415838-00416068 democratic societies with equal eN22YPDopzc-01779-00416068-00416301 conditions for all members on pain of a eN22YPDopzc-01780-00416302-00416634 relapse into feudalism this would result eN22YPDopzc-01781-00416635-00416957 in see a pit allistic and proprietary eN22YPDopzc-01782-00416958-00417214 exploitation stopped everywhere the wage eN22YPDopzc-01783-00417214-00417478 system abolished equal and just exchange eN22YPDopzc-01784-00417479-00417822 guaranteed workers would no longer sell eN22YPDopzc-01785-00417823-00418014 their labor to a capitalist but rather eN22YPDopzc-01786-00418015-00418218 work for themselves in cooperatives eN22YPDopzc-01787-00418219-00418443 council communism such as in the early eN22YPDopzc-01788-00418444-00418674 soviet union advocated workers control eN22YPDopzc-01789-00418675-00418851 through workers councils and factory eN22YPDopzc-01790-00418852-00419107 committee's syndicalism advocates eN22YPDopzc-01791-00419108-00419293 workers control through trade unions eN22YPDopzc-01792-00419293-00419541 guild socialism advocates workers eN22YPDopzc-01793-00419542-00419712 control through a revival of the guild eN22YPDopzc-01794-00419713-00419955 system participatory economics eN22YPDopzc-01795-00419956-00420189 represents a recent variation on the eN22YPDopzc-01796-00420190-00420529 idea of workers control workers control eN22YPDopzc-01797-00420530-00420714 can be contrasted to control of the eN22YPDopzc-01798-00420715-00420870 economy via the states such as eN22YPDopzc-01799-00420871-00421110 nationalization and central planning see eN22YPDopzc-01800-00421111-00421327 state socialism and private control of eN22YPDopzc-01801-00421328-00421485 the means of production is found in eN22YPDopzc-01802-00421486-00421764 capitalism a worker cooperative as a eN22YPDopzc-01803-00421765-00421966 cooperative owned and democratically eN22YPDopzc-01804-00421967-00422214 managed by its worker owners this eN22YPDopzc-01805-00422215-00422428 control may be exercised in a number of eN22YPDopzc-01806-00422429-00422691 ways a cooperative enterprise may mean a eN22YPDopzc-01807-00422692-00422847 firm where every worker owner eN22YPDopzc-01808-00422848-00423064 participates in decision-making in a eN22YPDopzc-01809-00423064-00423259 democratic fashion or it may refer to eN22YPDopzc-01810-00423260-00423487 one in which managers and administration eN22YPDopzc-01811-00423488-00423682 is elected by every worker owner and eN22YPDopzc-01812-00423683-00423895 finally it can refer to a situation in eN22YPDopzc-01813-00423896-00423939 which eN22YPDopzc-01814-00423940-00424173 are considered and treated as workers of eN22YPDopzc-01815-00424174-00424452 the firm in traditional forms of worker eN22YPDopzc-01816-00424453-00424641 cooperative all shares are held by the eN22YPDopzc-01817-00424642-00424858 workforce with no outside or consumer eN22YPDopzc-01818-00424859-00425050 owners and each member has one voting eN22YPDopzc-01819-00425051-00425340 share in practice controlled by worker eN22YPDopzc-01820-00425341-00425496 owners may be exercised through eN22YPDopzc-01821-00425497-00425673 individual collective or majority eN22YPDopzc-01822-00425674-00425877 ownership by the workforce or the eN22YPDopzc-01823-00425878-00426079 retention of individual collective or eN22YPDopzc-01824-00426080-00426294 majority voting rights exercised on a eN22YPDopzc-01825-00426295-00426573 one member one vote basis a worker eN22YPDopzc-01826-00426574-00426735 cooperative therefore has the eN22YPDopzc-01827-00426736-00426945 characteristic that the majority of its eN22YPDopzc-01828-00426946-00427158 workforce own shares and the majority of eN22YPDopzc-01829-00427159-00427320 shares are owned by the workforce eN22YPDopzc-01830-00427321-00427552 nevertheless and narco communism has eN22YPDopzc-01831-00427553-00427743 been critical of workers ownership of eN22YPDopzc-01832-00427744-00427900 large means of production for the eN22YPDopzc-01833-00427901-00427998 following reasons eN22YPDopzc-01834-00427999-00428220 whereas the syndicalist alternative eN22YPDopzc-01835-00428221-00428483 reprieve Atty zé's the economy into eN22YPDopzc-01836-00428484-00428769 self-managed collectives and opens the eN22YPDopzc-01837-00428770-00428943 way to their degeneration into eN22YPDopzc-01838-00428944-00429135 traditional forms of private property eN22YPDopzc-01839-00429136-00429492 whether collectively owned or not eN22YPDopzc-01840-00429493-00429727 libertarian municipal ISM pull it aside eN22YPDopzc-01841-00429728-00429975 as the economy and dissolves it into the eN22YPDopzc-01842-00429976-00430287 Civic domain neither factory or land eN22YPDopzc-01843-00430288-00430504 appear as separate interests within the eN22YPDopzc-01844-00430505-00430779 communal collective nor can workers eN22YPDopzc-01845-00430780-00431015 farmers technicians engineers eN22YPDopzc-01846-00431016-00431260 professionals and the like perpetuate eN22YPDopzc-01847-00431260-00431485 their vocational identities as separate eN22YPDopzc-01848-00431485-00431679 interests that exist apart from the eN22YPDopzc-01849-00431680-00431960 citizen body and face-to-face assemblies eN22YPDopzc-01850-00431961-00432333 quote property is integrated into the eN22YPDopzc-01851-00432334-00432597 communist a material constituent of its eN22YPDopzc-01852-00432598-00432825 libertarian institutional framework eN22YPDopzc-01853-00432826-00433068 indeed as a part of a larger whole that eN22YPDopzc-01854-00433069-00433272 is controlled by the citizen body in eN22YPDopzc-01855-00433273-00433542 assembly as citizens not as vocationally eN22YPDopzc-01856-00433543-00433922 oriented interest groups eN22YPDopzc-01857-00433923-00434079 you eN22YPDopzc-01858-00434080-00434614 topic forms of exchange eN22YPDopzc-01859-00434614-00434858 anarchist economist Kevin Carson eN22YPDopzc-01860-00434859-00435182 manifests that l/o cal currencies barter eN22YPDopzc-01861-00435183-00435404 networks and mutual credit clearing eN22YPDopzc-01862-00435405-00435626 systems are a solution to a basic eN22YPDopzc-01863-00435627-00435847 problem a world in which there is a lot eN22YPDopzc-01864-00435849-00436067 of work to be done but there is simply eN22YPDopzc-01865-00436068-00436271 no money around to bring the people and eN22YPDopzc-01866-00436272-00436543 the work together eN22YPDopzc-01867-00436543-00436714 you eN22YPDopzc-01868-00436715-00437214 topic alternate currency eN22YPDopzc-01869-00437214-00437466 an alternative currency as any currency eN22YPDopzc-01870-00437467-00437670 used as an alternative to the dominant eN22YPDopzc-01871-00437671-00437870 national or multinational currency eN22YPDopzc-01872-00437871-00438095 systems usually referred to as national eN22YPDopzc-01873-00438096-00438399 or fiat money alternative currencies can eN22YPDopzc-01874-00438400-00438639 be created by an individual corporation eN22YPDopzc-01875-00438639-00438852 or organization they can be created by eN22YPDopzc-01876-00438853-00439091 national state or local governments or eN22YPDopzc-01877-00439092-00439302 they can arise naturally as people begin eN22YPDopzc-01878-00439303-00439538 to use a certain commodity as a currency eN22YPDopzc-01879-00439539-00439809 mutual credit as a form of alternative eN22YPDopzc-01880-00439810-00440001 currency and thus any form of lending eN22YPDopzc-01881-00440002-00440151 that does not go through the banking eN22YPDopzc-01882-00440152-00440325 system can be considered a form of eN22YPDopzc-01883-00440326-00440616 alternative currency when used in eN22YPDopzc-01884-00440617-00440793 combination with or when designed to eN22YPDopzc-01885-00440793-00440985 work in combination with national or eN22YPDopzc-01886-00440985-00441197 multinational fiat currencies they can eN22YPDopzc-01887-00441198-00441410 be referred to as complementary currency eN22YPDopzc-01888-00441410-00441684 most complementary currencies are also eN22YPDopzc-01889-00441685-00441891 local currencies and are limited to a eN22YPDopzc-01890-00441892-00442158 certain region barters are another type eN22YPDopzc-01891-00442159-00442374 of alternative currency these are eN22YPDopzc-01892-00442375-00442578 actually exchange systems which only eN22YPDopzc-01893-00442579-00442782 trade items thus without the use of any eN22YPDopzc-01894-00442783-00442922 currency whatsoever eN22YPDopzc-01895-00442922-00443220 finally local exchange trading system as eN22YPDopzc-01896-00443221-00443412 a special form of barter which trades eN22YPDopzc-01897-00443413-00443706 points for items one point stands for eN22YPDopzc-01898-00443707-00443895 one man hour of work and often there are eN22YPDopzc-01899-00443896-00444180 issues related to paying tax some eN22YPDopzc-01900-00444181-00444372 alternative currencies are considered eN22YPDopzc-01901-00444372-00444570 tax-exempt but most of them are fully eN22YPDopzc-01902-00444571-00444762 taxed as if they were national currency eN22YPDopzc-01903-00444763-00444951 with the caveat that the tax must be eN22YPDopzc-01904-00444952-00445191 paid in the national currency the eN22YPDopzc-01905-00445192-00445425 legality and tax status of alternative eN22YPDopzc-01906-00445426-00445638 currencies varies widely from country to eN22YPDopzc-01907-00445639-00445847 country as some systems in use in some eN22YPDopzc-01908-00445848-00446266 countries would be illegal in others eN22YPDopzc-01909-00446267-00446563 topic labor notes and local exchange eN22YPDopzc-01910-00446564-00446960 trading systems eN22YPDopzc-01911-00446960-00447176 labor notes are an alternative currency eN22YPDopzc-01912-00447177-00447412 based on exchange of hours of labor eN22YPDopzc-01913-00447413-00447695 Josiah Warren is widely regarded as the eN22YPDopzc-01914-00447696-00447962 first American anarchist Josiah Warren eN22YPDopzc-01915-00447963-00448193 termed the phrase cost the limit of eN22YPDopzc-01916-00448193-00448574 price with cost here referring not to eN22YPDopzc-01917-00448575-00448795 monetary price paid but the labor one eN22YPDopzc-01918-00448796-00449141 exerted to produce an item therefore h e eN22YPDopzc-01919-00449142-00449354 proposed a system to pay people with eN22YPDopzc-01920-00449355-00449600 labor notes indicating how many hours of eN22YPDopzc-01921-00449601-00449885 work they did they could exchange the eN22YPDopzc-01922-00449885-00450091 notes at local time stores for goods eN22YPDopzc-01923-00450092-00450284 that took the same amount of time to eN22YPDopzc-01924-00450285-00450602 produce he put his theories to the test eN22YPDopzc-01925-00450603-00450845 by establishing an experimental labor eN22YPDopzc-01926-00450846-00451109 for labor store called the Cincinnati eN22YPDopzc-01927-00451110-00451339 time store where trade was facilitated eN22YPDopzc-01928-00451340-00451516 by notes backed by a promise to perform eN22YPDopzc-01929-00451517-00451832 labor the store proved successful and eN22YPDopzc-01930-00451833-00452035 operated for three years after which it eN22YPDopzc-01931-00452036-00452216 was closed so that Warren could pursue eN22YPDopzc-01932-00452217-00452470 establishing colonies based on mutualism eN22YPDopzc-01933-00452471-00452824 these included utopia and modern times a eN22YPDopzc-01934-00452825-00453139 local exchange trading system also local eN22YPDopzc-01935-00453140-00453368 employment and trading system or local eN22YPDopzc-01936-00453368-00453589 energy transfer system abbreviated to eN22YPDopzc-01937-00453590-00453770 let sir let system is a locally eN22YPDopzc-01938-00453771-00453970 initiated democratically organized eN22YPDopzc-01939-00453971-00454199 not-for-profit community enterprise that eN22YPDopzc-01940-00454200-00454412 provides a community information service eN22YPDopzc-01941-00454413-00454591 and record transactions of members eN22YPDopzc-01942-00454592-00454802 exchanging goods and services by using eN22YPDopzc-01943-00454803-00454993 the currency of locally created let's eN22YPDopzc-01944-00454994-00455054 credits eN22YPDopzc-01945-00455055-00455339 let's networks use interest-free local eN22YPDopzc-01946-00455339-00455549 credits of direct swaps do not need to eN22YPDopzc-01947-00455550-00455807 be made for instance a member may earn eN22YPDopzc-01948-00455808-00456043 credit by doing childcare for one person eN22YPDopzc-01949-00456044-00456224 and spend it later on carpentry with eN22YPDopzc-01950-00456225-00456509 another person in the same network let's eN22YPDopzc-01951-00456510-00456752 unlike other local currencies no scrip eN22YPDopzc-01952-00456753-00456956 is issued but rather transactions are eN22YPDopzc-01953-00456957-00457166 recorded in a central location open to eN22YPDopzc-01954-00457167-00457420 all members as credit is issued by the eN22YPDopzc-01955-00457421-00457612 network members for the benefit of the eN22YPDopzc-01956-00457613-00457799 members themselves let's are considered eN22YPDopzc-01957-00457800-00458268 mutual credit systems eN22YPDopzc-01958-00458270-00458738 topic credit and banking eN22YPDopzc-01959-00458739-00458988 anarchist mutualists argued that free eN22YPDopzc-01960-00458989-00459156 banking should be taken back by the eN22YPDopzc-01961-00459157-00459347 people to establish systems of free eN22YPDopzc-01962-00459349-00459588 credit they contend that banks have a eN22YPDopzc-01963-00459589-00459828 monopoly on credit just as capitalists eN22YPDopzc-01964-00459829-00460074 have a monopoly on land banks are eN22YPDopzc-01965-00460075-00460257 essentially creating money by lending eN22YPDopzc-01966-00460258-00460472 out deposits that do not actually belong eN22YPDopzc-01967-00460474-00460643 to them then charging interest on the eN22YPDopzc-01968-00460645-00460905 difference mutualists argue that by eN22YPDopzc-01969-00460906-00461145 establishing a democratically run mutual eN22YPDopzc-01970-00461146-00461367 savings bank or credit union it would be eN22YPDopzc-01971-00461368-00461562 possible to issue free credit so that eN22YPDopzc-01972-00461563-00461739 money could be created for the benefit eN22YPDopzc-01973-00461739-00461916 of the participants rather than for the eN22YPDopzc-01974-00461917-00462189 benefit of the bankers individualist eN22YPDopzc-01975-00462189-00462368 anarchists noted for their detailed eN22YPDopzc-01976-00462370-00462570 views on mutualist banking include eN22YPDopzc-01977-00462571-00462759 pierre-joseph Proudhon William eN22YPDopzc-01978-00462760-00462959 Batchelder Greene and Lysander Spooner eN22YPDopzc-01979-00462960-00463247 some modern forms of mutual credit are eN22YPDopzc-01980-00463249-00463431 let's in the ripple monetary system eN22YPDopzc-01981-00463432-00463701 project in a session of the French eN22YPDopzc-01982-00463702-00463896 legislature Proudhon proposed a eN22YPDopzc-01983-00463897-00464109 government imposed income tax to fund eN22YPDopzc-01984-00464110-00464310 his mutual banking scheme with some tax eN22YPDopzc-01985-00464310-00464481 brackets reaching as high as thirty eN22YPDopzc-01986-00464482-00464693 three one third of a percent and fifty eN22YPDopzc-01987-00464695-00464853 percent which was turned down by the eN22YPDopzc-01988-00464854-00465153 legislature this income tax Proudhon eN22YPDopzc-01989-00465154-00465330 proposed to fund his bank was to be eN22YPDopzc-01990-00465331-00465528 levied on rents interest debts and eN22YPDopzc-01991-00465529-00465801 salaries specifically proud Hans eN22YPDopzc-01992-00465802-00465984 proposed law would have required all eN22YPDopzc-01993-00465985-00466203 capitalists and stockholders to disburse eN22YPDopzc-01994-00466204-00466364 one-sixth of their income to their eN22YPDopzc-01995-00466366-00466557 tenants and debtors in another six to eN22YPDopzc-01996-00466558-00466734 the national treasury to fund the bank eN22YPDopzc-01997-00466735-00467007 this scheme was vehemently objected to eN22YPDopzc-01998-00467008-00467193 by others in the legislature including eN22YPDopzc-01999-00467193-00467418 Frederic Bastiat the reason given for eN22YPDopzc-02000-00467418-00467613 the income taxes rejection was that it eN22YPDopzc-02001-00467614-00467799 would result in economic ruin and that eN22YPDopzc-02002-00467800-00468117 it violated the right of property in his eN22YPDopzc-02003-00468118-00468321 debates with Bastiat proudhon did once eN22YPDopzc-02004-00468322-00468507 proposed funding a national bank with a eN22YPDopzc-02005-00468508-00468888 voluntary tax of 1% proudhon also argued eN22YPDopzc-02006-00468889-00469128 for the abolition of all taxes American eN22YPDopzc-02007-00469129-00469332 mutualist William Batchelder Greene is eN22YPDopzc-02008-00469333-00469542 best known for the works mutual banking eN22YPDopzc-02009-00469543-00469746 which proposed an interest-free banking eN22YPDopzc-02010-00469747-00470163 system in 1850 and 1851 he organized eN22YPDopzc-02011-00470164-00470387 citizens of Brookfield Warren and where eN22YPDopzc-02012-00470388-00470589 Massachusetts to petition the state's eN22YPDopzc-02013-00470589-00470796 General Court for a charter to establish eN22YPDopzc-02014-00470797-00471078 a mutual bank upon all the petitions the eN22YPDopzc-02015-00471079-00471291 Committee on banks and banking after eN22YPDopzc-02016-00471292-00471489 hearing the arguments of the petitioners eN22YPDopzc-02017-00471489-00471855 reported simply leave to withdraw the eN22YPDopzc-02018-00471856-00472085 radical deficiency of the existing eN22YPDopzc-02019-00472087-00472488 circulating medium 1857 similar attempts eN22YPDopzc-02020-00472489-00472701 by the New England labor reform League eN22YPDopzc-02021-00472702-00473024 in the 1870s met with similar results eN22YPDopzc-02022-00473025-00473379 greens mutualist banking ideas resembled eN22YPDopzc-02023-00473380-00473688 those of Proudhon as well as the land eN22YPDopzc-02024-00473689-00473937 banks of the colonial period he had an eN22YPDopzc-02025-00473938-00474129 important influence on Benjamin Tucker eN22YPDopzc-02026-00474130-00474321 the editor of the anarchist journal eN22YPDopzc-02027-00474322-00474621 Liberty during the episode known as the eN22YPDopzc-02028-00474622-00474804 Spanish revolution contemporary eN22YPDopzc-02029-00474805-00475005 anarchist theorist Peter Gelder Lou's eN22YPDopzc-02030-00475006-00475392 reports the following eN22YPDopzc-02031-00475393-00475958 topic gift economy eN22YPDopzc-02032-00475959-00476231 in anthropology and the social sciences eN22YPDopzc-02033-00476232-00476495 a gift economy or gift culture is a mode eN22YPDopzc-02034-00476496-00476696 of exchange where valuable goods and eN22YPDopzc-02035-00476697-00476893 services are regularly given without any eN22YPDopzc-02036-00476895-00477083 explicit agreement for immediate or eN22YPDopzc-02037-00477084-00477359 future rewards ie no formal quid pro quo eN22YPDopzc-02038-00477360-00477454 exists eN22YPDopzc-02039-00477455-00477718 ideally voluntary and recurring gift eN22YPDopzc-02040-00477720-00477929 exchange circulates and redistributes eN22YPDopzc-02041-00477930-00478112 wealth throughout a community and serves eN22YPDopzc-02042-00478113-00478334 to build societal ties and obligations eN22YPDopzc-02043-00478335-00478637 in contrast to a barter economy or a eN22YPDopzc-02044-00478638-00478892 market economy social norms and custom eN22YPDopzc-02045-00478893-00479078 governs gift exchange rather than an eN22YPDopzc-02046-00479079-00479243 explicit exchange of goods or services eN22YPDopzc-02047-00479243-00479450 for money or some other commodity eN22YPDopzc-02048-00479451-00479689 traditional societies dominated by gift eN22YPDopzc-02049-00479691-00479870 exchange were small in scale and eN22YPDopzc-02050-00479871-00480064 geographically remote from each other eN22YPDopzc-02051-00480066-00480322 as states formed to regulate trade and eN22YPDopzc-02052-00480324-00480512 commerce within their boundaries market eN22YPDopzc-02053-00480513-00480746 exchange came to dominate nonetheless eN22YPDopzc-02054-00480747-00480997 the practice of gift exchange continues eN22YPDopzc-02055-00480999-00481157 to play an important role in modern eN22YPDopzc-02056-00481158-00481445 society one prominent example is eN22YPDopzc-02057-00481446-00481622 scientific research which can be eN22YPDopzc-02058-00481622-00481859 described as a gift economy contrary to eN22YPDopzc-02059-00481860-00482051 popular conception there is no evidence eN22YPDopzc-02060-00482052-00482249 that societies relied primarily on eN22YPDopzc-02061-00482250-00482452 barter before using money for trade eN22YPDopzc-02062-00482453-00482797 instead non-monetary societies operated eN22YPDopzc-02063-00482799-00482981 largely along the principles of gift eN22YPDopzc-02064-00482982-00483214 economics and in more complex economies eN22YPDopzc-02065-00483216-00483509 on debt when barter did in fact occur it eN22YPDopzc-02066-00483510-00483685 was usually between either complete eN22YPDopzc-02067-00483687-00483863 strangers or would-be enemies the eN22YPDopzc-02068-00483864-00484052 expansion of the Internet has witnessed eN22YPDopzc-02069-00484053-00484222 a resurgence of the gift economy eN22YPDopzc-02070-00484224-00484464 especially in the technology sector eN22YPDopzc-02071-00484466-00484712 engineers scientists and software eN22YPDopzc-02072-00484713-00484910 developers create open-source software eN22YPDopzc-02073-00484910-00485180 projects the Linux kernel and the new eN22YPDopzc-02074-00485181-00485378 operating system are prototypical eN22YPDopzc-02075-00485379-00485549 examples for the gift economies eN22YPDopzc-02076-00485550-00485764 prominence in the technology sector and eN22YPDopzc-02077-00485766-00485966 its active role in in stating the use of eN22YPDopzc-02078-00485967-00486170 permissive free software and copyleft eN22YPDopzc-02079-00486171-00486392 licenses which allow free reuse of eN22YPDopzc-02080-00486393-00486662 software and knowledge other examples eN22YPDopzc-02081-00486663-00486872 include file sharing the Commons and eN22YPDopzc-02082-00486872-00487187 open access and narco Communists eN22YPDopzc-02083-00487188-00487433 advocate a gift economy as an ideal with eN22YPDopzc-02084-00487434-00487652 neither money nor markets nor central eN22YPDopzc-02085-00487653-00487922 planning this view traces back at least eN22YPDopzc-02086-00487922-00488108 to Peter Kropotkin who saw in the eN22YPDopzc-02087-00488109-00488270 hunter-gatherer tribes he had visited eN22YPDopzc-02088-00488271-00488609 the paradigm of mutual aid anarchist eN22YPDopzc-02089-00488610-00488849 anthropologist David Gruber in his 2011 eN22YPDopzc-02090-00488850-00489134 book debt the first 5,000 years argues eN22YPDopzc-02091-00489135-00489343 that with the advent of the great axial eN22YPDopzc-02092-00489345-00489578 civilizations the nexus between coinage eN22YPDopzc-02093-00489579-00489809 and the calculability of economic values eN22YPDopzc-02094-00489810-00489992 was concomitant with the disrupt of what eN22YPDopzc-02095-00489993-00490328 grubber calls human economies as found eN22YPDopzc-02096-00490329-00490631 among the Iroquois Celts Inuit tiv and eN22YPDopzc-02097-00490632-00490864 yu-er and the Malagasy people of eN22YPDopzc-02098-00490866-00491066 Madagascar among other groups which eN22YPDopzc-02099-00491067-00491239 according to grabber held a radically eN22YPDopzc-02100-00491241-00491438 different conception of debt and social eN22YPDopzc-02101-00491439-00491609 relations based on the radical and eN22YPDopzc-02102-00491610-00491801 calculability of human life and the eN22YPDopzc-02103-00491802-00492002 constant creation and recreation of eN22YPDopzc-02104-00492003-00492221 social bonds through gifts marriages and eN22YPDopzc-02105-00492222-00492479 general sociability eN22YPDopzc-02106-00492480-00492699 the author postulates the growth of a eN22YPDopzc-02107-00492700-00493056 military coinage slave complex around eN22YPDopzc-02108-00493057-00493260 this time through which mercenary armies eN22YPDopzc-02109-00493260-00493466 looted cities and human beings were cut eN22YPDopzc-02110-00493467-00493643 from their social context to work as eN22YPDopzc-02111-00493644-00493854 slaves in Greece Rome and elsewhere in eN22YPDopzc-02112-00493855-00494085 the Eurasian continent the extreme eN22YPDopzc-02113-00494085-00494258 violence of the period marked by the eN22YPDopzc-02114-00494259-00494516 rise of great empires in China India and eN22YPDopzc-02115-00494517-00494672 the Mediterranean was in this way eN22YPDopzc-02116-00494673-00494841 connected with the advent of large-scale eN22YPDopzc-02117-00494842-00495045 slavery and the use of coins to pay eN22YPDopzc-02118-00495046-00495266 soldiers together with the obligation eN22YPDopzc-02119-00495267-00495464 enforced by the state for its subjects eN22YPDopzc-02120-00495465-00495735 to pay its taxes in currency this was eN22YPDopzc-02121-00495735-00495900 also the same time that the great eN22YPDopzc-02122-00495901-00496077 religion spread out and the general eN22YPDopzc-02123-00496078-00496268 questions of philosophical inquiry eN22YPDopzc-02124-00496269-00496514 emerged on world history many of those eN22YPDopzc-02125-00496515-00496727 directly related as in Plato's Republic eN22YPDopzc-02126-00496728-00496947 with the nature of debt in its relation eN22YPDopzc-02127-00496947-00497256 to ethics eN22YPDopzc-02128-00497257-00497737 topic free shops eN22YPDopzc-02129-00497738-00498034 giveaway shops free shops or free stores eN22YPDopzc-02130-00498035-00498301 are stores where all goods are free they eN22YPDopzc-02131-00498302-00498514 are similar to charity shops with mostly eN22YPDopzc-02132-00498514-00498766 secondhand items only everything is eN22YPDopzc-02133-00498767-00499033 available at no cost whether it is a eN22YPDopzc-02134-00499034-00499272 book a piece of furniture a garment or a eN22YPDopzc-02135-00499273-00499483 household item it is all freely given eN22YPDopzc-02136-00499484-00499687 away although some operator one in one eN22YPDopzc-02137-00499688-00499978 out type policy swap shops the free eN22YPDopzc-02138-00499979-00500191 store as a form of constructive direct eN22YPDopzc-02139-00500192-00500353 action that provides a shopping eN22YPDopzc-02140-00500354-00500541 alternative to a monetary framework eN22YPDopzc-02141-00500542-00500745 allowing people to exchange goods and eN22YPDopzc-02142-00500746-00500910 services outside of a money-based eN22YPDopzc-02143-00500912-00501307 economy the anarchist 1960s counter eN22YPDopzc-02144-00501308-00501493 cultural group the diggers opened free eN22YPDopzc-02145-00501493-00501658 stores which simply gave away their eN22YPDopzc-02146-00501659-00501901 stock provided free food distributed eN22YPDopzc-02147-00501902-00502122 free drugs gave away money organized eN22YPDopzc-02148-00502123-00502345 free music concerts and performed works eN22YPDopzc-02149-00502346-00502600 of political art the diggers took their eN22YPDopzc-02150-00502601-00502785 name from the original English diggers eN22YPDopzc-02151-00502787-00503002 led by Gerrard Winstanley and sought to eN22YPDopzc-02152-00503003-00503214 create a mini society free of money and eN22YPDopzc-02153-00503215-00503295 capitalism eN22YPDopzc-02154-00503296-00503452 although free stores have not been eN22YPDopzc-02155-00503453-00503652 uncommon in the United States since the eN22YPDopzc-02156-00503653-00503920 1960's the freegan movement has inspired eN22YPDopzc-02157-00503921-00504126 the establishment of more free stores eN22YPDopzc-02158-00504127-00504412 today the idea is kept alive by the new eN22YPDopzc-02159-00504413-00504601 generations of social centers and eN22YPDopzc-02160-00504602-00504816 artists and environmentalists who view eN22YPDopzc-02161-00504817-00504997 the idea as an intriguing way to raise eN22YPDopzc-02162-00504997-00505207 awareness about consumer culture and to eN22YPDopzc-02163-00505208-00505614 promote the reuse of commodities eN22YPDopzc-02164-00505615-00506174 topic peer-to-peer p2p eN22YPDopzc-02165-00506175-00506474 peer-to-peer p2p is not restricted to eN22YPDopzc-02166-00506475-00506687 technology but covers every social eN22YPDopzc-02167-00506688-00506888 process with a peer-to-peer dynamic eN22YPDopzc-02168-00506889-00507041 whether these peers are humans or eN22YPDopzc-02169-00507042-00507287 computers peer-to-peer is a term eN22YPDopzc-02170-00507288-00507506 originated from the popular concept of eN22YPDopzc-02171-00507507-00507791 p2p distributed application architecture eN22YPDopzc-02172-00507792-00507980 that partitions tasks or workloads eN22YPDopzc-02173-00507981-00508274 between peers this application structure eN22YPDopzc-02174-00508275-00508520 was popularized by file sharing systems eN22YPDopzc-02175-00508521-00508721 like Napster the first of its kind in eN22YPDopzc-02176-00508722-00509096 the late 1990s the concept has inspired eN22YPDopzc-02177-00509097-00509309 new structures and philosophies in many eN22YPDopzc-02178-00509310-00509651 areas of human interaction p2p human eN22YPDopzc-02179-00509652-00509846 dynamic affords a critical look at eN22YPDopzc-02180-00509847-00510038 current authoritarian and centralized eN22YPDopzc-02181-00510039-00510356 social structures peer-to-peer is also a eN22YPDopzc-02182-00510357-00510572 political and social program for those eN22YPDopzc-02183-00510572-00510707 who believe that in many cases eN22YPDopzc-02184-00510708-00510905 peer-to-peer modes are a preferable eN22YPDopzc-02185-00510906-00511205 option anarchist scholar Ari Gordon has eN22YPDopzc-02186-00511206-00511403 said that the collaborative development eN22YPDopzc-02187-00511404-00511622 of free software like the Linux eN22YPDopzc-02188-00511622-00511877 operating system and applications such eN22YPDopzc-02189-00511878-00512197 as OpenOffice and informational eN22YPDopzc-02190-00512199-00512501 anarchist communism moreover for eN22YPDopzc-02191-00512502-00512776 anarchists it is precisely the logic of eN22YPDopzc-02192-00512777-00513041 expropriation and electronic piracy that eN22YPDopzc-02193-00513042-00513320 enables a radical political extension of eN22YPDopzc-02194-00513321-00513493 the cultural ideals of the free eN22YPDopzc-02195-00513495-00513743 manipulation circulation and use of eN22YPDopzc-02196-00513743-00514060 information associated with the hacker eN22YPDopzc-02197-00514062-00514346 ethic Kimen in 2001 the space of eN22YPDopzc-02198-00514347-00514601 illegality created by p2p peer-to-peer eN22YPDopzc-02199-00514602-00514850 file-sharing opens up the possibility eN22YPDopzc-02200-00514851-00515051 not only of the open circulation of eN22YPDopzc-02201-00515052-00515276 freely given information and software as eN22YPDopzc-02202-00515277-00515468 it is on the internet today but also a eN22YPDopzc-02203-00515468-00515732 conscious copyright violation the eN22YPDopzc-02204-00515733-00515963 Internet then enables not only communist eN22YPDopzc-02205-00515964-00516160 relations around information but also eN22YPDopzc-02206-00516162-00516362 the militant contamination and erosion eN22YPDopzc-02207-00516363-00516610 of non communist regimes of knowledge a eN22YPDopzc-02208-00516610-00516956 technological weapon to equalize access eN22YPDopzc-02209-00516957-00517106 to information eating away at eN22YPDopzc-02210-00517107-00517295 intellectual property rights by eN22YPDopzc-02211-00517296-00517535 rendering them unenforceable p2p as a eN22YPDopzc-02212-00517535-00517763 specific form of relational dynamic eN22YPDopzc-02213-00517764-00517946 based on the assumed equip it and see of eN22YPDopzc-02214-00517947-00518132 its participants organized through the eN22YPDopzc-02215-00518133-00518339 free cooperation of equals in view of eN22YPDopzc-02216-00518339-00518555 the performance of a common task for the eN22YPDopzc-02217-00518556-00518747 creation of the common good with forms eN22YPDopzc-02218-00518747-00518960 of decision-making an autonomy that are eN22YPDopzc-02219-00518960-00519092 widely distributed throughout the eN22YPDopzc-02220-00519093-00519183 network eN22YPDopzc-02221-00519184-00519416 there are three fundamental aspects of eN22YPDopzc-02222-00519417-00519812 social p2p processes peer production the eN22YPDopzc-02223-00519813-00520022 collaborative production of use-value is eN22YPDopzc-02224-00520023-00520227 open to participation and used to the eN22YPDopzc-02225-00520228-00520428 widest possible number as defined by eN22YPDopzc-02226-00520429-00520643 Yochai benkler in his essay Kouzes eN22YPDopzc-02227-00520644-00520953 penguin Pierre governance production or eN22YPDopzc-02228-00520954-00521157 project is governed by the community of eN22YPDopzc-02229-00521158-00521364 producers themselves not by market eN22YPDopzc-02230-00521364-00521691 allocation or corporate hierarchy peer eN22YPDopzc-02231-00521692-00521918 property the use value of property is eN22YPDopzc-02232-00521919-00522153 freely accessible on a universal basis eN22YPDopzc-02233-00522154-00522327 peer services and products are eN22YPDopzc-02234-00522328-00522470 distributed through new modes of eN22YPDopzc-02235-00522471-00522672 property which are not exclusive though eN22YPDopzc-02236-00522672-00522891 recognize individual authorship ieave a eN22YPDopzc-02237-00522892-00523083 GNU general public license or the eN22YPDopzc-02238-00523084-00523272 Creative Commons licenses pure eN22YPDopzc-02239-00523272-00523431 production does not produce commodities eN22YPDopzc-02240-00523432-00523670 for exchange value and does not use the eN22YPDopzc-02241-00523671-00523845 price mechanism or corporate hierarchy eN22YPDopzc-02242-00523846-00524081 to determine the allocation of resources eN22YPDopzc-02243-00524082-00524355 it must therefore be distinguished from eN22YPDopzc-02244-00524356-00524541 both the capitalist market though it can eN22YPDopzc-02245-00524542-00524697 be linked and embedded in the broader eN22YPDopzc-02246-00524698-00524889 market and from production through state eN22YPDopzc-02247-00524890-00525057 and corporate planning as a mode of eN22YPDopzc-02248-00525058-00525191 governance it differs from traditional eN22YPDopzc-02249-00525192-00525422 linear hierarchies and as a mode of eN22YPDopzc-02250-00525423-00525585 property it differs from both eN22YPDopzc-02251-00525586-00525770 traditional private property and eN22YPDopzc-02252-00525771-00525983 state-based collective public property eN22YPDopzc-02253-00525984-00526182 it is rather the common property of its eN22YPDopzc-02254-00526183-00526356 producers and users in the whole of eN22YPDopzc-02255-00526357-00526430 humankind eN22YPDopzc-02256-00526431-00526725 unlike private property peer property is eN22YPDopzc-02257-00526726-00526970 inclusive rather than exclusive its eN22YPDopzc-02258-00526971-00527154 nature as to share ownership is widely eN22YPDopzc-02259-00527155-00527381 rather than as narrowly as possible eN22YPDopzc-02260-00527382-00527637 while many anarcho communists are eN22YPDopzc-02261-00527638-00527856 opposed to trade some post left post eN22YPDopzc-02262-00527857-00528072 scarcity and narco Communists and ones eN22YPDopzc-02263-00528073-00528243 with syndicalist sympathies are not eN22YPDopzc-02264-00528244-00528485 opposed to trade some support a eN22YPDopzc-02265-00528486-00528702 non-monetary form of trade in the form eN22YPDopzc-02266-00528703-00528903 of post monetary trade unions and eN22YPDopzc-02267-00528904-00529158 Commons others such as teats IANA eN22YPDopzc-02268-00529159-00529389 terranova easily see anarcho-communism eN22YPDopzc-02269-00529390-00529616 being compatible with a non-hierarchical eN22YPDopzc-02270-00529617-00529872 open access free association post eN22YPDopzc-02271-00529873-00530480 monetary form of trades such as p2p eN22YPDopzc-02272-00530481-00530738 topic coexistence of economic systems eN22YPDopzc-02273-00530739-00531320 and economic pluralism French anarchist eN22YPDopzc-02274-00531321-00531539 without adjectives max net Lao addressed eN22YPDopzc-02275-00531540-00531698 the issue of the coexistence of eN22YPDopzc-02276-00531699-00531902 different economic systems as follows eN22YPDopzc-02277-00531903-00532079 let me imagine myself for a moment eN22YPDopzc-02278-00532080-00532346 living in a free society I should eN22YPDopzc-02279-00532347-00532532 certainly have different occupations eN22YPDopzc-02280-00532533-00532775 manual and mental requiring strength or eN22YPDopzc-02281-00532776-00533057 skill it would be very monotonous if the eN22YPDopzc-02282-00533058-00533234 three or four groups with whom I would eN22YPDopzc-02283-00533235-00533360 work for I hope there will be no eN22YPDopzc-02284-00533361-00533567 syndicates then would be organized on eN22YPDopzc-02285-00533568-00533774 exactly the same lines I rather think eN22YPDopzc-02286-00533775-00533942 that different degrees are forms of eN22YPDopzc-02287-00533943-00534185 communism will prevail in them but might eN22YPDopzc-02288-00534186-00534377 I not become tired of this and wish for eN22YPDopzc-02289-00534378-00534572 a spell of relative isolation of eN22YPDopzc-02290-00534573-00534854 individualism so I might turn to one of eN22YPDopzc-02291-00534855-00535058 the many possible forms of equal eN22YPDopzc-02292-00535059-00535388 exchange individualism perhaps people eN22YPDopzc-02293-00535389-00535535 will do one thing when they are young eN22YPDopzc-02294-00535536-00535703 and another thing when they grow older eN22YPDopzc-02295-00535704-00535946 those who are but indifferent workers eN22YPDopzc-02296-00535947-00536117 may continue with their groups those who eN22YPDopzc-02297-00536118-00536300 are efficient will lose patience and eN22YPDopzc-02298-00536301-00536468 always working with beginners and we'll eN22YPDopzc-02299-00536469-00536672 go ahead by themselves unless a very eN22YPDopzc-02300-00536673-00536867 altruist disposition makes it a pleasure eN22YPDopzc-02301-00536868-00537074 to them to act as teachers or advisers eN22YPDopzc-02302-00537075-00537344 to younger people I also think that at eN22YPDopzc-02303-00537345-00537533 the beginning I should adopt communism eN22YPDopzc-02304-00537534-00537710 with friends and individualism with eN22YPDopzc-02305-00537711-00537893 strangers and shape my future life eN22YPDopzc-02306-00537894-00538199 according to experience thus a free and eN22YPDopzc-02307-00538200-00538370 easy change from one variety of eN22YPDopzc-02308-00538371-00538562 communism to another thence to any eN22YPDopzc-02309-00538563-00538817 variety of individualism and so on would eN22YPDopzc-02310-00538818-00539018 be the most obvious and elementary thing eN22YPDopzc-02311-00539019-00539213 in a really free society and if any eN22YPDopzc-02312-00539214-00539393 group of people tried to check this to eN22YPDopzc-02313-00539394-00539579 make one system predominant they would eN22YPDopzc-02314-00539580-00539774 be as bitterly thought as revolutionists eN22YPDopzc-02315-00539775-00540011 fight the present system French eN22YPDopzc-02316-00540012-00540230 individualist anarchist Emile Armand eN22YPDopzc-02317-00540231-00540452 argued for a pluralistic economic logic eN22YPDopzc-02318-00540453-00540662 when he said here and there everything eN22YPDopzc-02319-00540663-00540902 happening here everyone receiving what eN22YPDopzc-02320-00540903-00541052 they need there each one getting eN22YPDopzc-02321-00541053-00541235 whatever is needed according to their eN22YPDopzc-02322-00541236-00541577 own capacity here gift and barter one eN22YPDopzc-02323-00541578-00541790 product for another their exchange eN22YPDopzc-02324-00541791-00542111 product for representative value here eN22YPDopzc-02325-00542112-00542333 the producer is the owner of the product eN22YPDopzc-02326-00542334-00542495 there the product is put to the eN22YPDopzc-02327-00542496-00542801 possession of the collectivity at the eN22YPDopzc-02328-00542802-00542999 time of the Spanish Revolution led by eN22YPDopzc-02329-00543000-00543248 the anarcho-syndicalist trade union C&T eN22YPDopzc-02330-00543249-00543467 and by the FAI the issue of the eN22YPDopzc-02331-00543468-00543650 coexistence of different economic eN22YPDopzc-02332-00543651-00543800 systems was addressed eN22YPDopzc-02333-00543801-00544031 Daniel gue Aaron and anarchism from eN22YPDopzc-02334-00544032-00544294 theory to practice reports the following eN22YPDopzc-02335-00544295-00544595 Spanish and narco syndicalism had long eN22YPDopzc-02336-00544596-00544826 been concerned to safeguard the autonomy eN22YPDopzc-02337-00544827-00545195 of what it called affinity groups quote eN22YPDopzc-02338-00545196-00545444 there were many a depths of nature ISM eN22YPDopzc-02339-00545445-00545663 and vegetarianism among its members eN22YPDopzc-02340-00545664-00545894 especially among the poor peasants of eN22YPDopzc-02341-00545895-00546185 the south both these ways of living were eN22YPDopzc-02342-00546186-00546338 considered suitable for the eN22YPDopzc-02343-00546339-00546542 transformation of the human being in eN22YPDopzc-02344-00546543-00546881 preparation for a libertarian society at eN22YPDopzc-02345-00546882-00547133 the Saragosa Congress the members did eN22YPDopzc-02346-00547134-00547304 not forget to consider the fate of eN22YPDopzc-02347-00547305-00547685 groups of naturists and nudists unsuited eN22YPDopzc-02348-00547686-00547961 to industrialization quote as these eN22YPDopzc-02349-00547962-00548168 groups would be unable to supply all eN22YPDopzc-02350-00548169-00548351 their own needs the Congress anticipated eN22YPDopzc-02351-00548352-00548597 that their delegates to the meetings of eN22YPDopzc-02352-00548598-00548810 the Confederation of communes would be eN22YPDopzc-02353-00548811-00549010 able to negotiate special economic eN22YPDopzc-02354-00549011-00549251 agreements with the other agricultural eN22YPDopzc-02355-00549252-00549575 and industrial communes on the eve of a eN22YPDopzc-02356-00549576-00549839 vast bloody social transformation the eN22YPDopzc-02357-00549840-00550088 CNT did not think it foolish to try to eN22YPDopzc-02358-00550089-00550304 meet the infinitely varied aspirations eN22YPDopzc-02359-00550305-00550835 of individual human beings eN22YPDopzc-02360-00550836-00551165 topic commune federalism and economic eN22YPDopzc-02361-00551166-00551551 democracy eN22YPDopzc-02362-00551552-00551821 and narco communism has been critical of eN22YPDopzc-02363-00551822-00552013 a simple call for workers ownership of eN22YPDopzc-02364-00552014-00552199 workplaces and their administration as eN22YPDopzc-02365-00552200-00552484 cooperatives Murray Bookchin has put it eN22YPDopzc-02366-00552485-00552544 this way eN22YPDopzc-02367-00552545-00552780 what of the syndicalist ideal of eN22YPDopzc-02368-00552781-00553102 collectivized self-managed enterprises eN22YPDopzc-02369-00553103-00553357 that are coordinated by like occupations eN22YPDopzc-02370-00553358-00553576 on a national level and coordinated eN22YPDopzc-02371-00553577-00553948 geographically by collectives on a local eN22YPDopzc-02372-00553949-00554299 level here the traditional socialist eN22YPDopzc-02373-00554300-00554497 criticism of this syndicalist form of eN22YPDopzc-02374-00554498-00554689 economic management as not without its eN22YPDopzc-02375-00554690-00554824 point the corporate or private eN22YPDopzc-02376-00554825-00555139 capitalist worker controlled are not eN22YPDopzc-02377-00555140-00555364 ironically a technique in the repertoire eN22YPDopzc-02378-00555365-00555568 of industrial management that is coming eN22YPDopzc-02379-00555569-00555814 very much into vogue today as workplace eN22YPDopzc-02380-00555815-00556176 democracy and employee ownership and eN22YPDopzc-02381-00556177-00556396 constitutes no threat whatever to eN22YPDopzc-02382-00556397-00556708 private property and capitalism eN22YPDopzc-02383-00556709-00557074 in any case economic democracy has not eN22YPDopzc-02384-00557075-00557385 simply meant workplace democracy and eN22YPDopzc-02385-00557386-00557752 employee ownership many workers in fact eN22YPDopzc-02386-00557753-00557884 would like to get away from their eN22YPDopzc-02387-00557885-00558052 factories if they could and find more eN22YPDopzc-02388-00558053-00558259 creative artisanal types of work not eN22YPDopzc-02389-00558260-00558673 simply participate in planning their own eN22YPDopzc-02390-00558674-00559051 misery what economic democracy meant in eN22YPDopzc-02391-00559052-00559230 its profoundest sense was free eN22YPDopzc-02392-00559231-00559504 democratic access to the means of life eN22YPDopzc-02393-00559505-00559702 the counterpart of political democracy eN22YPDopzc-02394-00559703-00559921 that is the guarantee of freedom from eN22YPDopzc-02395-00559922-00560209 material want it is a dirty bourgeois eN22YPDopzc-02396-00560210-00560425 trick in which many radicals unknowingly eN22YPDopzc-02397-00560426-00560788 participate that economic democracy has eN22YPDopzc-02398-00560789-00561043 been reinterpreted as employee ownership eN22YPDopzc-02399-00561044-00561466 and workplace democracy and has come to eN22YPDopzc-02400-00561467-00561784 mean workers participation in profit eN22YPDopzc-02401-00561785-00561979 sharing an industrial management rather eN22YPDopzc-02402-00561980-00562138 than freedom from the tyranny of the eN22YPDopzc-02403-00562139-00562408 factory rationalized labor and planned eN22YPDopzc-02404-00562409-00562681 production which is usually exploitative eN22YPDopzc-02405-00562682-00562861 production with the complicity of the eN22YPDopzc-02406-00562862-00563131 workers a common call within anarchism eN22YPDopzc-02407-00563132-00563314 as for a confederal form in eN22YPDopzc-02408-00563315-00563542 relationships of mutual aid and free eN22YPDopzc-02409-00563543-00563770 association between communes as an eN22YPDopzc-02410-00563771-00563974 alternative to the centralism of the eN22YPDopzc-02411-00563975-00564265 nation-state peter kropotkin thus eN22YPDopzc-02412-00564266-00564538 suggested representative government has eN22YPDopzc-02413-00564539-00564727 accomplished its historical mission it eN22YPDopzc-02414-00564728-00564910 has given a mortal blow to court rule eN22YPDopzc-02415-00564911-00565087 and by its debates it has awakened eN22YPDopzc-02416-00565088-00565369 public interest in public questions but eN22YPDopzc-02417-00565370-00565504 to see in it the government of the eN22YPDopzc-02418-00565505-00565720 future socialist society is to commit a eN22YPDopzc-02419-00565721-00566011 gross error each economic phase of life eN22YPDopzc-02420-00566012-00566233 implies its own political phase and it eN22YPDopzc-02421-00566234-00566452 is impossible to touch the very basis of eN22YPDopzc-02422-00566453-00566635 the present economic life private eN22YPDopzc-02423-00566636-00566809 property without a corresponding change eN22YPDopzc-02424-00566810-00567013 in the very basis of the political eN22YPDopzc-02425-00567014-00567301 organization life already shows in which eN22YPDopzc-02426-00567302-00567520 direction the change will be made not in eN22YPDopzc-02427-00567521-00567724 increasing the powers of the state but eN22YPDopzc-02428-00567725-00567916 in resorting to free organization and eN22YPDopzc-02429-00567917-00568087 free Federation in all those branches eN22YPDopzc-02430-00568088-00568294 which are now considered as attributes eN22YPDopzc-02431-00568295-00568597 of the state as such no community can eN22YPDopzc-02432-00568598-00568819 hope to achieve economic autarky nor eN22YPDopzc-02433-00568820-00569008 should it try to do so unless it wishes eN22YPDopzc-02434-00569009-00569194 to become self enclosed and parochial eN22YPDopzc-02435-00569195-00569518 not only self-sufficient hence the eN22YPDopzc-02436-00569519-00569785 Confederation of communes the commune of eN22YPDopzc-02437-00569786-00570025 communes is reworked economically as eN22YPDopzc-02438-00570026-00570095 well as eN22YPDopzc-02439-00570096-00570260 ethically into a shared universe of eN22YPDopzc-02440-00570261-00570521 publicly managed resources the eN22YPDopzc-02441-00570522-00570710 management of the economy precisely eN22YPDopzc-02442-00570711-00570923 because it is a public activity does not eN22YPDopzc-02443-00570924-00571160 degenerate into privatized interactions eN22YPDopzc-02444-00571161-00571373 between enterprises rather it develops eN22YPDopzc-02445-00571374-00571547 into confederal eyes dint ur actions eN22YPDopzc-02446-00571548-00571823 between municipalities that is to say eN22YPDopzc-02447-00571824-00571997 the very elements of societal eN22YPDopzc-02448-00571998-00572201 interaction are expanded from real or eN22YPDopzc-02449-00572202-00572399 potential privatized components to eN22YPDopzc-02450-00572400-00572674 institutionally real public components eN22YPDopzc-02451-00572675-00572924 Confederation becomes a public project eN22YPDopzc-02452-00572925-00573140 by definition not only because of shared eN22YPDopzc-02453-00573141-00573422 needs and resources if there is any way eN22YPDopzc-02454-00573423-00573596 to avoid the emergence of the city-state eN22YPDopzc-02455-00573597-00573838 not to speak of self-serving bourgeois eN22YPDopzc-02456-00573839-00574121 cooperatives it is through a municipal eN22YPDopzc-02457-00574122-00574322 ization of political life that is so eN22YPDopzc-02458-00574323-00574556 complete that politics embraces not only eN22YPDopzc-02459-00574557-00574724 what we called a public sphere but eN22YPDopzc-02460-00574725-00574964 material means of life as well economic eN22YPDopzc-02461-00574965-00575165 democracy as proposed by takis eN22YPDopzc-02462-00575166-00575318 Fotopoulos and Bookchin as a eN22YPDopzc-02463-00575319-00575573 socio-economic philosophy that proposes eN22YPDopzc-02464-00575574-00575756 to shift decision-making power from eN22YPDopzc-02465-00575757-00575945 corporate shareholders to a larger group eN22YPDopzc-02466-00575946-00576158 of public stakeholders that includes eN22YPDopzc-02467-00576159-00576428 workers customers suppliers neighbors in eN22YPDopzc-02468-00576429-00576647 the broader public no single definition eN22YPDopzc-02469-00576648-00576896 or approach encompasses economic eN22YPDopzc-02470-00576897-00577127 democracy but most proponents claim that eN22YPDopzc-02471-00577128-00577340 modern property relations externalized eN22YPDopzc-02472-00577341-00577544 costs subordinate the general well-being eN22YPDopzc-02473-00577545-00577772 to private profit and deny the polity a eN22YPDopzc-02474-00577773-00577961 democratic voice in economic policy eN22YPDopzc-02475-00577962-00578267 decisions in addition to these moral eN22YPDopzc-02476-00578268-00578480 concerns economic democracy makes eN22YPDopzc-02477-00578481-00578693 practical claims such as that it can eN22YPDopzc-02478-00578694-00578900 compensate for capitalism's claimed lis eN22YPDopzc-02479-00578901-00579125 inherent effective demand gap proponents eN22YPDopzc-02480-00579126-00579338 of economic democracy generally argue eN22YPDopzc-02481-00579339-00579554 that modern capitalism tends to hinder eN22YPDopzc-02482-00579555-00579740 or prevent society from earning enough eN22YPDopzc-02483-00579741-00579967 income to purchase its output production eN22YPDopzc-02484-00579968-00580229 corporate monopolies of common resources eN22YPDopzc-02485-00580230-00580463 typically creates artificial scarcity eN22YPDopzc-02486-00580464-00580715 resulting in socio-economic imbalances eN22YPDopzc-02487-00580716-00580901 that restrict workers from access to eN22YPDopzc-02488-00580902-00581090 Economic Opportunity and diminish eN22YPDopzc-02489-00581091-00581372 consumer purchasing power economic eN22YPDopzc-02490-00581373-00581546 democracy has been proposed as a eN22YPDopzc-02491-00581547-00581768 component of larger socio-economic eN22YPDopzc-02492-00581769-00582014 ideologies as a standalone theory and as eN22YPDopzc-02493-00582015-00582329 a variety of reform agendas for example eN22YPDopzc-02494-00582330-00582509 as a means to securing full economic eN22YPDopzc-02495-00582510-00582749 rights it opens a path to full political eN22YPDopzc-02496-00582750-00582968 rights defined as including the former eN22YPDopzc-02497-00582969-00583274 as a reform agenda supporting theories eN22YPDopzc-02498-00583275-00583466 and real-world examples range from eN22YPDopzc-02499-00583467-00583645 decentralisation to democratic eN22YPDopzc-02500-00583646-00583805 cooperatives fair trade in the eN22YPDopzc-02501-00583806-00584000 regionalization of food production and eN22YPDopzc-02502-00584001-00584413 currency eN22YPDopzc-02503-00584414-00585001 topic examples of anarchist economies eN22YPDopzc-02504-00585002-00585266 utopia sometimes known as trial Ville eN22YPDopzc-02505-00585267-00585476 was an individualist anarchist colony eN22YPDopzc-02506-00585477-00585770 begun in 1847 by Josiah Warren and eN22YPDopzc-02507-00585771-00585953 associates in the United States on a eN22YPDopzc-02508-00585954-00586162 tract of land approximately 30 miles eN22YPDopzc-02509-00586163-00586445 from Cincinnati another example of eN22YPDopzc-02510-00586446-00586652 individual anarchists attempting to put eN22YPDopzc-02511-00586653-00586850 their economic theories into action was eN22YPDopzc-02512-00586851-00587051 the Cincinnati time store where labor eN22YPDopzc-02513-00587052-00587333 notes were redeemable for goods the eN22YPDopzc-02514-00587334-00587516 anarchist collectives formed during the eN22YPDopzc-02515-00587517-00587708 Spanish Civil War are the most famous eN22YPDopzc-02516-00587709-00587912 example of an anarchist economy eN22YPDopzc-02517-00587913-00588109 operating on a large scale the eN22YPDopzc-02518-00588110-00588293 collectives were formed under the eN22YPDopzc-02519-00588294-00588479 influence of the anarcho-syndicalist eN22YPDopzc-02520-00588480-00588758 Union the CNT in rural and urban areas eN22YPDopzc-02521-00588759-00588964 and successfully practiced workers eN22YPDopzc-02522-00588965-00589133 self-management and collectivist eN22YPDopzc-02523-00589134-00589310 anarchism for a number of years in eN22YPDopzc-02524-00589311-00589499 extremely difficult economic and eN22YPDopzc-02525-00589500-00589799 political circumstances other examples eN22YPDopzc-02526-00589800-00589997 of self-management include the factory eN22YPDopzc-02527-00589998-00590150 committee movement during the Russian eN22YPDopzc-02528-00590151-00590372 Revolution and the workplace occupations eN22YPDopzc-02529-00590373-00590564 in Argentina during its crisis at the eN22YPDopzc-02530-00590565-00590885 turn of the 21st century attempts at eN22YPDopzc-02531-00590886-00591091 forming cooperatives also appeared eN22YPDopzc-02532-00591092-00591362 during the Paris Commune of 1871 and the eN22YPDopzc-02533-00591363-00591676 Italian factory occupations of 1920 eN22YPDopzc-02534-00591677-00591962 topics see also autonomous immunity eN22YPDopzc-02535-00591963-00592151 based economics dis centrally planned eN22YPDopzc-02536-00592152-00592343 economy distributism gandhi and eN22YPDopzc-02537-00592344-00592577 economics political economy prosumer eN22YPDopzc-02538-00592578-00592802 socialist economics topic references eN22YPDopzc-02539-00592803-00593024 topic further research topic and darkest eN22YPDopzc-02540-00593025-00593239 economics bibliography Michael Albert eN22YPDopzc-02541-00593240-00593531 Robin Hahnel a quiet revolution in eN22YPDopzc-02542-00593532-00593816 welfare economics Albert Michael Paris eN22YPDopzc-02543-00593817-00594197 on life after capitalism w w Norton & eN22YPDopzc-02544-00594198-00594599 Company April 2003 ISBN one eight five eN22YPDopzc-02545-00594600-00594875 nine eight four six nine eight x albert eN22YPDopzc-02546-00594876-00595072 michael thinking forward learning to eN22YPDopzc-02547-00595073-00595376 conceptualize economic vision 1997 eN22YPDopzc-02548-00595377-00595618 albert michael moving forward programme eN22YPDopzc-02549-00595619-00595937 for a participatory economy 2001 albert eN22YPDopzc-02550-00595938-00596150 michael realizing hope life beyond eN22YPDopzc-02551-00596151-00596462 capitalism 2006 Alexander Berkman eN22YPDopzc-02552-00596463-00596645 what is communist anarchism prison eN22YPDopzc-02553-00596646-00596849 memoirs of an anarchist others Murray eN22YPDopzc-02554-00596850-00597197 Bookchin post-scarcity anarchism 1971 in eN22YPDopzc-02555-00597198-00597902 2004 ISBN 195 906 - carson kevin studies eN22YPDopzc-02556-00597903-00598118 in mutualist political economy book eN22YPDopzc-02557-00598119-00598210 search publish eN22YPDopzc-02558-00598211-00598625 2007 ISBN nine seven eight one four one eN22YPDopzc-02559-00598626-00598937 nine six five eight six nine three Kevin eN22YPDopzc-02560-00598938-00599144 a Carson the Iron Fist behind the eN22YPDopzc-02561-00599145-00599384 invisible hand corporate capitalism is a eN22YPDopzc-02562-00599385-00599576 state guaranteed system of privilege eN22YPDopzc-02563-00599577-00600017 Nanaimo BC Red Lion 2001 revised 2002 eN22YPDopzc-02564-00600018-00600278 Kevin a Carson contract feudalism a eN22YPDopzc-02565-00600279-00600461 critique of employer power over eN22YPDopzc-02566-00600462-00600692 employees London libertarian Alliance eN22YPDopzc-02567-00600693-00601049 2006 Geary Chartier the conscience of an eN22YPDopzc-02568-00601050-00601294 anarchist 2011 Apple Valley California eN22YPDopzc-02569-00601295-00601766 Cobden press ISBN 978 one four three eN22YPDopzc-02570-00601767-00602354 nine two six six nine nine one oclc 760 eN22YPDopzc-02571-00602355-00602591 million 97 thousand two hundred forty eN22YPDopzc-02572-00602592-00602918 two Diego above de Santillan after the eN22YPDopzc-02573-00602919-00603149 revolution archived from the original on eN22YPDopzc-02574-00603150-00603527 the 22nd of June 2004 dole gothic Sam eN22YPDopzc-02575-00603528-00603779 editor the anarchist collectives workers eN22YPDopzc-02576-00603780-00603938 self-management in the Spanish eN22YPDopzc-02577-00603939-00604192 revolution Montreal Black Rose books eN22YPDopzc-02578-00604193-00604562 ISBN o nine one nine six one eight two eN22YPDopzc-02579-00604563-00604805 one nine dole goth Sam the relevance of eN22YPDopzc-02580-00604806-00605054 anarchism to modern society Chicago eN22YPDopzc-02581-00605055-00605468 Charles H Kerr 1989 Fotopoulos takis eN22YPDopzc-02582-00605469-00605717 towards an inclusive democracy online eN22YPDopzc-02583-00605718-00606005 eleven megabytes castle continuum London eN22YPDopzc-02584-00606006-00606428 New York 1997 ISBN oh three oh four eN22YPDopzc-02585-00606429-00606608 three three six two eight nine eN22YPDopzc-02586-00606609-00606872 Fotopoulos takis the multi-dimensional eN22YPDopzc-02587-00606873-00607112 crisis and inclusive democracy Athens eN22YPDopzc-02588-00607113-00607553 2005 grubber david debt the first 5,000 eN22YPDopzc-02589-00607554-00607940 years Melville House 2011 ISBN nine eN22YPDopzc-02590-00607941-00608174 seven eight one nine three three six eN22YPDopzc-02591-00608175-00608456 three three eight six two grubber David eN22YPDopzc-02592-00608457-00608822 2001 toward an anthropological theory of eN22YPDopzc-02593-00608823-00609029 value the false coin of our own dreams eN22YPDopzc-02594-00609030-00609476 PDF New York Palgrave ISBN nine seven eN22YPDopzc-02595-00609477-00609737 eight oh three one two two four oh four eN22YPDopzc-02596-00609738-00610142 four eight oclc forty-six million eight eN22YPDopzc-02597-00610143-00610490 hundred twenty two thousand 270 yen eN22YPDopzc-02598-00610491-00610754 Abraham anarchist economics an eN22YPDopzc-02599-00610755-00611009 alternative for a world in crisis the eN22YPDopzc-02600-00611010-00611216 economics of the Spanish libertarian eN22YPDopzc-02601-00611217-00611581 collectives 1936 239 damn and laprise eN22YPDopzc-02602-00611582-00611966 1992 Hahnel robbing the ABCs of eN22YPDopzc-02603-00611967-00612289 political economy Pluto 2002 Hahnel eN22YPDopzc-02604-00612290-00612554 robbing economic justice and democracy eN22YPDopzc-02605-00612555-00612916 rout Lidge 2005 Kropotkin Peter fields eN22YPDopzc-02606-00612917-00613127 factories and workshops the collected eN22YPDopzc-02607-00613128-00613393 works of Peter Kropotkin v9 black rose eN22YPDopzc-02608-00613394-00613856 books the first of January 1996 ISBN one eN22YPDopzc-02609-00613857-00614122 eight nine five four three one three eN22YPDopzc-02610-00614123-00614368 eight seven Kropotkin Peter anarchist eN22YPDopzc-02611-00614369-00614635 communism its basis and ideals Kropotkin eN22YPDopzc-02612-00614636-00614876 Peter the conquest of bread New York New eN22YPDopzc-02613-00614877-00615197 York University Press LaVon Gaston eN22YPDopzc-02614-00615198-00615350 collectives in the Spanish revolution eN22YPDopzc-02615-00615351-00615814 London Freedom press ISBN Oh 900 three eN22YPDopzc-02616-00615815-00616178 eight four one one five GP maximov eN22YPDopzc-02617-00616179-00616447 program of anarcho-syndicalism extract eN22YPDopzc-02618-00616448-00616604 from his constructive and irk ism eN22YPDopzc-02619-00616605-00616870 published in English in 1952 this eN22YPDopzc-02620-00616871-00617054 section is not included in the only eN22YPDopzc-02621-00617055-00617270 edition of the work now in print Sidney eN22YPDopzc-02622-00617271-00617695 Monte Miller press 1985 Proudhon Pierre eN22YPDopzc-02623-00617696-00617941 the system of economic contradictions or eN22YPDopzc-02624-00617942-00618235 the philosophy of poverty Proudhon eN22YPDopzc-02625-00618236-00618503 Pierre what is property B Tucker eN22YPDopzc-02626-00618504-00618722 translator cambridge university press eN22YPDopzc-02627-00618723-00619114 ISBN oh five to one four oh five five eN22YPDopzc-02628-00619115-00619522 six for solidarity Federation and IWA eN22YPDopzc-02629-00619523-00619754 the economics of freedom an eN22YPDopzc-02630-00619755-00619954 anarcho-syndicalist alternative to eN22YPDopzc-02631-00619955-00620426 capitalism solved booklets 2003 various eN22YPDopzc-02632-00620427-00620666 authors the accumulation of freedom eN22YPDopzc-02633-00620667-00620939 writings on anarchist economics a kay eN22YPDopzc-02634-00620940-00621337 press 2012 ISBN 978 one eight four nine eN22YPDopzc-02635-00621338-00621852 three five oh nine four five eN22YPDopzc-02636-00621853-00622243 topic articles eN22YPDopzc-02637-00622244-00622413 you eN22YPDopzc-02638-00622414-00622855 anarchist economics by a narco the eN22YPDopzc-02639-00622856-00623284 economics of anarchy by a narco archive eN22YPDopzc-02640-00623285-00623491 of anarchist economic articles at the eN22YPDopzc-02641-00623492-00623824 anarchist library anarchist economics eN22YPDopzc-02642-00623825-00624049 compiled by John beckon overview of the eN22YPDopzc-02643-00624050-00624247 topic with extensive reading lists from eN22YPDopzc-02644-00624248-00624583 syndicalist org open-source currency eN22YPDopzc-02645-00624584-00624754 article by Douglas rushkoff eN22YPDopzc-02646-00624755-00625063 on the feature archives the future of eN22YPDopzc-02647-00625064-00625276 payment systems discussion paper by eN22YPDopzc-02648-00625277-00625450 Bernard Lee chair the chapter on eN22YPDopzc-02649-00625451-00625675 complementary currency system starts on eN22YPDopzc-02650-00625676-00626181 page 23 economics kiosk at info shop org eN22YPDopzc-02651-00626182-00626608 Institute for social ecology paracin org eN22YPDopzc-02652-00626609-00626913 information on participatory economics eN22YPDopzc-02653-00626914-00627196 panicky about panarchy volunteerism and eN22YPDopzc-02654-00627197-00627574 a territorialism anarchist economics PDF eN22YPDopzc-02655-00627575-00627962 from invisible Molotov eN22YPDopzc-02656-00627963-00628355 topic extensive sections of an anarchist eN22YPDopzc-02657-00628356-00629060 FAQ on economics section B why do n eN22YPDopzc-02658-00629061-00629369 arcus suppose the current system section eN22YPDopzc-02659-00629370-00629558 c what are the myths of capitalist eN22YPDopzc-02660-00629559-00629717 economics eN22YPDopzc-02661-00629718-00629990 an anarchist FAQ section d how does eN22YPDopzc-02662-00629991-00630268 statism and capitalism affect society eN22YPDopzc-02663-00630269-00630539 asterisk by 0.4 how could an anarchist eN22YPDopzc-02664-00630540-00630860 economy function 0.3 what could the eN22YPDopzc-02665-00630861-00631346 economic structure of Anarchy look like eN22YPDopzc-02666-00631347-00631814 topic films eN22YPDopzc-02667-00631815-00632209 viva la utopia living utopia 5x1 Camaro eN22YPDopzc-02668-00632210-00632486 1997 about anarchism in Spain and the eN22YPDopzc-02669-00632487-00632832 collectives in the Spanish revolution 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eSsWocypjcg-00010-00002346-00002948 deflagration eSsWocypjcg-00011-00002949-00003815 topic causes eSsWocypjcg-00012-00003815-00004333 topic natural eSsWocypjcg-00013-00004334-00004586 explosions can occur in nature due to a eSsWocypjcg-00014-00004587-00004897 large influx of energy most natural eSsWocypjcg-00015-00004898-00005120 explosions arise from volcanic processes eSsWocypjcg-00016-00005121-00005417 of various sorts explosive volcanic eSsWocypjcg-00017-00005418-00005656 eruptions occur when magma rising from eSsWocypjcg-00018-00005657-00005891 below has much dissolved gas in it the eSsWocypjcg-00019-00005892-00006110 reduction of pressure as the magma rises eSsWocypjcg-00020-00006111-00006341 causes the gas to bubble out of solution eSsWocypjcg-00021-00006342-00006628 resulting in a rapid increase in volume eSsWocypjcg-00022-00006629-00006889 explosions also occur as a result of eSsWocypjcg-00023-00006890-00007099 impact events and in phenomena such as eSsWocypjcg-00024-00007100-00007358 hydrothermal explosions also due to eSsWocypjcg-00025-00007359-00007681 volcanic processes explosions can also eSsWocypjcg-00026-00007683-00007885 occur outside of Earth in the universe eSsWocypjcg-00027-00007886-00008201 in events such as supernova explosions eSsWocypjcg-00028-00008202-00008402 frequently occur during bushfires in eSsWocypjcg-00029-00008403-00008627 eucalyptus forests where the volatile eSsWocypjcg-00030-00008628-00009324 oils in the treetops suddenly combust eSsWocypjcg-00031-00009325-00009841 topic astronomical eSsWocypjcg-00032-00009842-00010084 among the largest known explosions in eSsWocypjcg-00033-00010085-00010264 the universe are supernovae which eSsWocypjcg-00034-00010265-00010474 results when a star explodes from the eSsWocypjcg-00035-00010475-00010671 sudden starting or stopping of nuclear eSsWocypjcg-00036-00010672-00010909 fusion and gamma-ray bursts whose nature eSsWocypjcg-00037-00010910-00011209 is still in some dispute solar flares eSsWocypjcg-00038-00011210-00011431 are an example of common explosion on eSsWocypjcg-00039-00011432-00011638 the Sun and presumably on most other eSsWocypjcg-00040-00011639-00011932 stars as well the energy source for eSsWocypjcg-00041-00011933-00012127 Solar Flare activity comes from the eSsWocypjcg-00042-00012128-00012310 tangling of magnetic field lines eSsWocypjcg-00043-00012311-00012517 resulting from the rotation of the sun's eSsWocypjcg-00044-00012518-00012819 conductive plasma another type of large eSsWocypjcg-00045-00012820-00013044 astronomical explosion occurs when a eSsWocypjcg-00046-00013045-00013263 very large meteoroid or an asteroid eSsWocypjcg-00047-00013265-00013488 impacts the surface of another object eSsWocypjcg-00048-00013490-00014074 such as a planet eSsWocypjcg-00049-00014075-00014569 topic chemical eSsWocypjcg-00050-00014569-00014827 the most common artificial explosives eSsWocypjcg-00051-00014828-00015025 are chemical explosives usually eSsWocypjcg-00052-00015026-00015262 involving a rapid and violent oxidation eSsWocypjcg-00053-00015263-00015480 reaction that produces large amounts of eSsWocypjcg-00054-00015481-00015751 hot gas gunpowder was the first eSsWocypjcg-00055-00015752-00015955 explosive to be discovered and put to eSsWocypjcg-00056-00015956-00016003 use eSsWocypjcg-00057-00016004-00016263 other notable early developments in eSsWocypjcg-00058-00016265-00016468 chemical explosive technology were eSsWocypjcg-00059-00016469-00016690 Frederick Augustus Abel's development of eSsWocypjcg-00060-00016691-00016987 nitrocellulose in 1865 and Alfred eSsWocypjcg-00061-00016988-00017322 Nobel's invention of dynamite in 1866 eSsWocypjcg-00062-00017323-00017617 chemical explosions both intentional and eSsWocypjcg-00063-00017618-00017833 accidental are often initiated by an eSsWocypjcg-00064-00017834-00018040 electric spark or flame in the presence eSsWocypjcg-00065-00018041-00018343 of oxygen accidental explosions may eSsWocypjcg-00066-00018344-00019112 occur in fuel tanks rocket engines etc eSsWocypjcg-00067-00019113-00019708 topic electrical and magnetic eSsWocypjcg-00068-00019709-00019939 a high current electrical fault can eSsWocypjcg-00069-00019940-00020141 create an electrical explosion by eSsWocypjcg-00070-00020142-00020347 forming a high-energy electrical arc eSsWocypjcg-00071-00020348-00020552 which rapidly vaporizes metal and eSsWocypjcg-00072-00020553-00020828 insulation material this arc flash eSsWocypjcg-00073-00020829-00021067 hazard is a danger to persons working on eSsWocypjcg-00074-00021068-00021389 energized switchgear also excessive eSsWocypjcg-00075-00021390-00021592 magnetic pressure within an ultra strong eSsWocypjcg-00076-00021593-00021800 electromagnet can cause a magnetic eSsWocypjcg-00077-00021801-00022350 explosion eSsWocypjcg-00078-00022351-00022746 topic mechanical and vapor eSsWocypjcg-00079-00022747-00022925 you eSsWocypjcg-00080-00022926-00023208 strictly a physical process as opposed eSsWocypjcg-00081-00023209-00023487 to chemical or nuclear eg the bursting eSsWocypjcg-00082-00023488-00023643 of a sealed or partially sealed eSsWocypjcg-00083-00023644-00023841 container under internal pressure as eSsWocypjcg-00084-00023842-00024021 often referred to as a mechanical eSsWocypjcg-00085-00024022-00024125 explosion eSsWocypjcg-00086-00024126-00024411 examples include an overheated boiler or eSsWocypjcg-00087-00024412-00024651 a simple tin can of beans tossed into a eSsWocypjcg-00088-00024652-00024954 fire boiling liquid expanding vapor eSsWocypjcg-00089-00024955-00025203 explosion Tsar one type of mechanical eSsWocypjcg-00090-00025204-00025401 explosion that can occur when a vessel eSsWocypjcg-00091-00025402-00025596 containing a pressurized liquid is eSsWocypjcg-00092-00025597-00025788 ruptured causing a rapid increase in eSsWocypjcg-00093-00025789-00025997 volume as the liquid evaporates eSsWocypjcg-00094-00025998-00026211 note that the contents of the container eSsWocypjcg-00095-00026212-00026397 may cause a subsequent chemical eSsWocypjcg-00096-00026398-00026616 explosion the effects of which can be eSsWocypjcg-00097-00026617-00026829 dramatically more serious such as a eSsWocypjcg-00098-00026830-00027052 propane tank in the midst of a fire in eSsWocypjcg-00099-00027054-00027297 such a case to the effects of the eSsWocypjcg-00100-00027298-00027527 mechanical explosion when the tank fails eSsWocypjcg-00101-00027529-00027741 are added the effects from the explosion eSsWocypjcg-00102-00027742-00027902 resulting from the released initially eSsWocypjcg-00103-00027904-00028125 liquid and then almost instantaneously eSsWocypjcg-00104-00028126-00028341 gaseous propane in the presence of an eSsWocypjcg-00105-00028342-00028587 ignition source for this reason eSsWocypjcg-00106-00028588-00028824 emergency workers often differentiate eSsWocypjcg-00107-00028825-00029430 between the two events eSsWocypjcg-00108-00029431-00029935 topic nuclear eSsWocypjcg-00109-00029936-00030139 in addition to stellar nuclear eSsWocypjcg-00110-00030139-00030396 explosions a man-made nuclear weapon as eSsWocypjcg-00111-00030397-00030604 a type of explosive weapon that derives eSsWocypjcg-00112-00030605-00030786 its destructive force from nuclear eSsWocypjcg-00113-00030787-00030996 fission or from a combination of fishin eSsWocypjcg-00114-00030997-00031299 and fusion as a result even a nuclear eSsWocypjcg-00115-00031300-00031458 weapon with a small yield as eSsWocypjcg-00116-00031459-00031645 significantly more powerful than the eSsWocypjcg-00117-00031645-00031818 largest conventional explosives eSsWocypjcg-00118-00031819-00032035 available with a single weapon capable eSsWocypjcg-00119-00032036-00032758 of completely destroying an entire city eSsWocypjcg-00120-00032758-00033739 topic properties of explosions eSsWocypjcg-00121-00033740-00034242 topic force eSsWocypjcg-00122-00034243-00034461 explosive force is released in a eSsWocypjcg-00123-00034462-00034660 direction perpendicular to the surface eSsWocypjcg-00124-00034661-00034926 of the explosive if a grenade is in eSsWocypjcg-00125-00034927-00035112 midair during the explosion the eSsWocypjcg-00126-00035113-00035373 direction of the blast will be 360 eSsWocypjcg-00127-00035374-00035670 degrees in contrast in a shaped charge eSsWocypjcg-00128-00035671-00035904 the explosive forces are focused to eSsWocypjcg-00129-00035905-00036552 produce a greater local effect eSsWocypjcg-00130-00036553-00037062 topic velocity eSsWocypjcg-00131-00037063-00037273 the speed of the reaction is what eSsWocypjcg-00132-00037274-00037489 distinguishes an explosive reaction from eSsWocypjcg-00133-00037490-00037780 an ordinary combustion reaction unless eSsWocypjcg-00134-00037781-00038008 the reaction occurs very rapidly the eSsWocypjcg-00135-00038009-00038182 thermally expanding gases will be eSsWocypjcg-00136-00038183-00038404 moderately dissipated in the medium with eSsWocypjcg-00137-00038405-00038605 no large differential in pressure and eSsWocypjcg-00138-00038606-00038862 there will be no explosion consider a eSsWocypjcg-00139-00038863-00039108 wood fire as the fire burns there eSsWocypjcg-00140-00039109-00039307 certainly as the evolution of heat and eSsWocypjcg-00141-00039308-00039511 the formation of gases but neither is eSsWocypjcg-00142-00039512-00039720 liberated rapidly enough to build up a eSsWocypjcg-00143-00039721-00039927 sudden substantial pressure differential eSsWocypjcg-00144-00039928-00040204 and then cause an explosion this can be eSsWocypjcg-00145-00040205-00040362 likened to the difference between the eSsWocypjcg-00146-00040363-00040567 energy discharge of a battery which is eSsWocypjcg-00147-00040568-00040810 slow and that of a flash capacitor like eSsWocypjcg-00148-00040811-00041023 that in a camera flash which releases eSsWocypjcg-00149-00041024-00041648 its energy all at once eSsWocypjcg-00150-00041649-00042201 topic evolution of heat eSsWocypjcg-00151-00042202-00042408 the generation of heat in large eSsWocypjcg-00152-00042409-00042639 quantities accompanies most explosive eSsWocypjcg-00153-00042640-00042921 chemical reactions the exceptions are eSsWocypjcg-00154-00042922-00043137 called entropic explosives and include eSsWocypjcg-00155-00043138-00043371 organic peroxides such as acetone eSsWocypjcg-00156-00043372-00043674 peroxide it is the rapid liberation of eSsWocypjcg-00157-00043675-00043887 heat that causes the gaseous products of eSsWocypjcg-00158-00043888-00044130 most explosive reactions to expand and eSsWocypjcg-00159-00044131-00044400 generate high pressures this rapid eSsWocypjcg-00160-00044401-00044577 generation of high pressures of the eSsWocypjcg-00161-00044578-00044811 released gas constitutes the explosion eSsWocypjcg-00162-00044812-00045099 the liberation of heat with insufficient eSsWocypjcg-00163-00045100-00045390 rapidity will not cause an explosion for eSsWocypjcg-00164-00045391-00045600 example although a unit mass of coal eSsWocypjcg-00165-00045601-00045855 yields five times as much heat as a unit eSsWocypjcg-00166-00045856-00046101 mass of nitroglycerin the coal cannot be eSsWocypjcg-00167-00046102-00046317 used as an explosive except in the form eSsWocypjcg-00168-00046318-00046497 of coal dust because the rate at which eSsWocypjcg-00169-00046498-00046718 it yields this heat is quite slow in eSsWocypjcg-00170-00046719-00046992 fact a substance which burns less eSsWocypjcg-00171-00046993-00047235 rapidly ie slow combustion may actually eSsWocypjcg-00172-00047236-00047505 evolve more total heat than an explosive eSsWocypjcg-00173-00047506-00047712 which detonates rapidly ie fast eSsWocypjcg-00174-00047713-00048009 combustion in the former slow combustion eSsWocypjcg-00175-00048010-00048270 converts more of the internal energy ie eSsWocypjcg-00176-00048271-00048444 chemical potential of the burning eSsWocypjcg-00177-00048445-00048627 substance into heat released to the eSsWocypjcg-00178-00048628-00048816 surroundings while in the latter fast eSsWocypjcg-00179-00048817-00049047 combustion ie detonation instead eSsWocypjcg-00180-00049048-00049272 converts more internal energy into work eSsWocypjcg-00181-00049273-00049500 on the surroundings ie less internal eSsWocypjcg-00182-00049501-00049776 energy converted into heat C F qidan eSsWocypjcg-00183-00049777-00050007 work thermodynamics are equivalent forms eSsWocypjcg-00184-00050008-00050295 of energy C heat of combustion for a eSsWocypjcg-00185-00050296-00050586 more thorough treatment of this topic eSsWocypjcg-00186-00050587-00050787 when a chemical compound is formed from eSsWocypjcg-00187-00050788-00050967 its constituents heat may either be eSsWocypjcg-00188-00050968-00051239 absorbed or released the quantity of eSsWocypjcg-00189-00051240-00051416 heat absorbed or given off during eSsWocypjcg-00190-00051417-00051608 transformation is called the heat of eSsWocypjcg-00191-00051609-00051917 formation heats of formations for solids eSsWocypjcg-00192-00051919-00052154 and gases found in explosive reactions eSsWocypjcg-00193-00052155-00052335 have been determined for a temperature eSsWocypjcg-00194-00052336-00052607 of 25 degrees Celsius and atmospheric eSsWocypjcg-00195-00052608-00052815 pressure and are normally given in units eSsWocypjcg-00196-00052816-00053045 of kilojoules per gram molecule a eSsWocypjcg-00197-00053046-00053304 positive value indicates that heat is eSsWocypjcg-00198-00053304-00053480 absorbed during the formation of the eSsWocypjcg-00199-00053482-00053661 compound from its elements such a eSsWocypjcg-00200-00053662-00053838 reaction is called an endothermic eSsWocypjcg-00201-00053839-00054174 reaction in explosive technology only eSsWocypjcg-00202-00054175-00054432 materials that are exothermic that have eSsWocypjcg-00203-00054433-00054609 a net liberation of heat and have a eSsWocypjcg-00204-00054610-00054834 negative heat of formation are of eSsWocypjcg-00205-00054835-00055119 interest reaction heat is measured under eSsWocypjcg-00206-00055120-00055307 conditions either of constant pressure eSsWocypjcg-00207-00055308-00055607 or constant volume it is this heat of eSsWocypjcg-00208-00055608-00055817 reaction that may be properly expressed eSsWocypjcg-00209-00055819-00056438 as the heat of explosion eSsWocypjcg-00210-00056439-00057045 topic initiation of reaction eSsWocypjcg-00211-00057046-00057321 a chemical explosive as a compound or eSsWocypjcg-00212-00057322-00057528 mixture which upon the application of eSsWocypjcg-00213-00057529-00057776 heat our shock decomposes or rearranges eSsWocypjcg-00214-00057777-00058004 with extreme rapidity yielding much gas eSsWocypjcg-00215-00058005-00058313 and heat many substances not ordinarily eSsWocypjcg-00216-00058314-00058580 classed as explosives may do one or even eSsWocypjcg-00217-00058582-00058938 two of these things a reaction must be eSsWocypjcg-00218-00058939-00059117 capable of being initiated by the eSsWocypjcg-00219-00059119-00059366 application of shock heat or a catalyst eSsWocypjcg-00220-00059367-00059576 in the case of some explosive chemical eSsWocypjcg-00221-00059577-00059799 reactions to a small portion of the mass eSsWocypjcg-00222-00059800-00060116 of the explosive material a material in eSsWocypjcg-00223-00060117-00060291 which the first three factors exist eSsWocypjcg-00224-00060291-00060530 cannot be accepted as an explosive eSsWocypjcg-00225-00060532-00060735 unless the reaction can be made to occur eSsWocypjcg-00226-00060736-00061275 when needed eSsWocypjcg-00227-00061276-00061813 topic fragmentation eSsWocypjcg-00228-00061814-00062066 fragmentation is the accumulation and eSsWocypjcg-00229-00062066-00062273 projection of particles as the result of eSsWocypjcg-00230-00062274-00062576 a high explosives detonation fragments eSsWocypjcg-00231-00062577-00062750 could be part of a structure such as a eSsWocypjcg-00232-00062751-00063026 magazine high velocity low angle eSsWocypjcg-00233-00063027-00063194 fragments can travel hundreds or eSsWocypjcg-00234-00063195-00063395 thousands of feet with enough energy to eSsWocypjcg-00235-00063396-00063572 initiate other surrounding high eSsWocypjcg-00236-00063573-00063821 explosive items injure or kill personnel eSsWocypjcg-00237-00063822-00064529 and damaged vehicles or structures eSsWocypjcg-00238-00064529-00065485 topic notable explosions eSsWocypjcg-00239-00065486-00066087 topic chemical explosions eSsWocypjcg-00240-00066088-00066417 you eSsWocypjcg-00241-00066418-00067181 topic nuclear explosions Trinity test eSsWocypjcg-00242-00067182-00067635 Castle Bravo Tsar Bomba eSsWocypjcg-00243-00067636-00068280 Tomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki eSsWocypjcg-00244-00068281-00068811 topic use in war eSsWocypjcg-00245-00068812-00069200 artillery mortars and cannons gunpowder eSsWocypjcg-00246-00069201-00069425 and smokeless powder as a propellant in eSsWocypjcg-00247-00069426-00069851 firearms and artillery bombs missiles eSsWocypjcg-00248-00069852-00070226 rockets and torpedoes atomic bombings of eSsWocypjcg-00249-00070227-00070617 Hiroshima and Nagasaki landmines naval eSsWocypjcg-00250-00070618-00070982 mines and IEDs satchel charges and eSsWocypjcg-00251-00070983-00071602 sapping hand grenades eSsWocypjcg-00252-00071603-00072182 topic volcanic eruptions eSsWocypjcg-00253-00072183-00072752 Santorini krakatoa Mount st. Helens eSsWocypjcg-00254-00072753-00073254 Mount Tambora Mount Pinatubo Toba eSsWocypjcg-00255-00073255-00074008 catastrophe theory Yellowstone Caldera eSsWocypjcg-00256-00074009-00074559 topic etymology eSsWocypjcg-00257-00074560-00074872 classical Latin exploder means to hiss a eSsWocypjcg-00258-00074873-00075207 bad actor off the stage to drive an eSsWocypjcg-00259-00075208-00075538 actor off the stage by making noise from eSsWocypjcg-00260-00075539-00075898 X out + plot ear to clap to applaud the eSsWocypjcg-00261-00075899-00076231 modern meaning developed later classical eSsWocypjcg-00262-00076232-00076510 Latin to drive an actor off the stage by eSsWocypjcg-00263-00076511-00076857 making noise hence meaning to drive out eSsWocypjcg-00264-00076858-00077318 or to reject in English eSsWocypjcg-00265-00077319-00077699 15:38 drive out or off by clapping eSsWocypjcg-00266-00077700-00078186 originally theatrical around 1660 drive eSsWocypjcg-00267-00078187-00078516 out with violence and sudden noise eSsWocypjcg-00268-00078517-00078961 around 1790 go off with a loud noise eSsWocypjcg-00269-00078962-00079406 around 1882 first uses bursting with eSsWocypjcg-00270-00079407-00080006 destructive force equals equals see also eVgerAm9KY8-00000-00000119-00000347 welcome welcome to the rickhouse real eVgerAm9KY8-00001-00000348-00000515 estate show we try to make sense of this eVgerAm9KY8-00002-00000516-00000743 crazy Arizona real estate market and as eVgerAm9KY8-00003-00000744-00000985 predicted it's prediction season eVgerAm9KY8-00004-00000986-00001235 prediction season everybody comes out eVgerAm9KY8-00005-00001236-00001397 with their predictions eVgerAm9KY8-00006-00001398-00001553 for next year and they are not eVgerAm9KY8-00007-00001554-00001757 disappointing eVgerAm9KY8-00008-00001757-00001889 not that the predictions are eVgerAm9KY8-00009-00001889-00002014 disappointing but the level of eVgerAm9KY8-00010-00002016-00002195 predictions are not disappointing there eVgerAm9KY8-00011-00002196-00002405 are many let's start out with this one eVgerAm9KY8-00012-00002406-00002752 here housing market collapse eVgerAm9KY8-00013-00002753-00003018 could push home prices down 20 percent eVgerAm9KY8-00014-00003019-00003263 major markets like Dallas Los Angeles eVgerAm9KY8-00015-00003264-00003599 experts predict experts there's always eVgerAm9KY8-00016-00003600-00003797 devil in the details eVgerAm9KY8-00017-00003797-00003953 so they're they're going on here and eVgerAm9KY8-00018-00003954-00004127 saying is mortgage demand plummets to eVgerAm9KY8-00019-00004128-00004325 its lowest level in 25 years some eVgerAm9KY8-00020-00004326-00004456 experts believe the housing market eVgerAm9KY8-00021-00004457-00004649 decline will hit a Cadre of regions eVgerAm9KY8-00022-00004650-00004925 especially hard pushing prices down as eVgerAm9KY8-00023-00004926-00005254 much as 20 percent in pandemic era hot eVgerAm9KY8-00024-00005255-00005452 area hot spots eVgerAm9KY8-00025-00005453-00005668 I think we're one of those they call us eVgerAm9KY8-00026-00005669-00006052 the pandemic era hot spot so they go on eVgerAm9KY8-00027-00006053-00006227 to say they give you a little data here eVgerAm9KY8-00028-00006228-00006372 and uh eVgerAm9KY8-00029-00006373-00006713 Redfin says sales prices have climbed eVgerAm9KY8-00030-00006714-00006917 seven percent over the past year and eVgerAm9KY8-00031-00006918-00007109 that's true but they were up much higher eVgerAm9KY8-00032-00007109-00007306 around 15. I'll show you those numbers eVgerAm9KY8-00033-00007308-00007534 in just a moment the prices in San eVgerAm9KY8-00034-00007536-00007696 Francisco have ticked down four percent eVgerAm9KY8-00035-00007697-00007859 while those neighboring Oakland eVgerAm9KY8-00036-00007859-00008081 California and New Orleans have fallen a eVgerAm9KY8-00037-00008081-00008405 half a percent to 11 respectfully eVgerAm9KY8-00038-00008406-00008753 so it gets interesting now and uh where eVgerAm9KY8-00039-00008754-00008969 Goldman eVgerAm9KY8-00040-00008970-00009142 well he also predicts the correction be eVgerAm9KY8-00041-00009143-00009310 worse for pandemic area hot spots like eVgerAm9KY8-00042-00009311-00009503 Phoenix Austin Las Vegas we've seen that eVgerAm9KY8-00043-00009504-00009767 before and uh you know that we've had eVgerAm9KY8-00044-00009768-00010006 this influx of people in the past two eVgerAm9KY8-00045-00010007-00010313 years with uh people getting to work eVgerAm9KY8-00046-00010314-00010463 remotely and I've got an article about eVgerAm9KY8-00047-00010464-00010733 that too it's one of my see I told you eVgerAm9KY8-00048-00010734-00010978 Soul moments eVgerAm9KY8-00049-00010979-00011201 it says here Goldman notes that nine eVgerAm9KY8-00050-00011202-00011363 percent of active listings have cut eVgerAm9KY8-00051-00011364-00011663 prices on Zillow mainly in areas that eVgerAm9KY8-00052-00011664-00011914 saw a sharp run-up like us and I'm going eVgerAm9KY8-00053-00011915-00012071 to show you the price cuts that we have eVgerAm9KY8-00054-00012072-00012251 here in this market too but here's an eVgerAm9KY8-00055-00012252-00012353 interesting thing I wanted to show you eVgerAm9KY8-00056-00012354-00012655 surprising fact Goldman Chief strategist eVgerAm9KY8-00057-00012656-00012910 lofty karui I probably butchered that eVgerAm9KY8-00058-00012911-00013133 name says National home prices will eVgerAm9KY8-00059-00013134-00013372 likely avoid a correction next year but eVgerAm9KY8-00060-00013373-00013666 he expects 39 percent of metropolan eVgerAm9KY8-00061-00013668-00013913 areas Metropolitan what the hell is eVgerAm9KY8-00062-00013913-00014147 Metropolis metropolitan areas will eVgerAm9KY8-00063-00014147-00014375 experience price declines eVgerAm9KY8-00064-00014376-00014722 but here's something to um eVgerAm9KY8-00065-00014723-00014944 for sellers to consider here it's eVgerAm9KY8-00066-00014945-00015088 important to remember that much of the eVgerAm9KY8-00067-00015090-00015299 housing market data being reported are eVgerAm9KY8-00068-00015300-00015479 based on home purchases that were agreed eVgerAm9KY8-00069-00015480-00015779 to a month or two ago when mortgage eVgerAm9KY8-00070-00015780-00015994 rates were a point and a half lower says eVgerAm9KY8-00071-00015995-00016258 Redfin Economist Taylor Marr sellers eVgerAm9KY8-00072-00016259-00016493 should anticipate that buyers are eVgerAm9KY8-00073-00016494-00016750 unwilling to pay a price similar to what eVgerAm9KY8-00074-00016751-00016967 the neighbors home sold for eVgerAm9KY8-00075-00016968-00017308 a month ago now there are some comments eVgerAm9KY8-00076-00017309-00017555 that I see in in the comment section of eVgerAm9KY8-00077-00017556-00017777 some of my videos and people go sellers eVgerAm9KY8-00078-00017778-00018011 are just being greedy look eVgerAm9KY8-00079-00018012-00018179 sellers put their home on the market eVgerAm9KY8-00080-00018180-00018419 it's the buyers that determine what it's eVgerAm9KY8-00081-00018420-00018635 going to be sold for and they determine eVgerAm9KY8-00082-00018636-00018785 that based on the home that they want eVgerAm9KY8-00083-00018786-00018983 the size they want and a payment that eVgerAm9KY8-00084-00018984-00019235 fits their budget you can ask a million eVgerAm9KY8-00085-00019236-00019379 dollars for your home if you want and eVgerAm9KY8-00086-00019380-00019564 you can be greedy but it's not going to eVgerAm9KY8-00087-00019565-00019649 sell eVgerAm9KY8-00088-00019650-00019817 if the buyers are not willing to eVgerAm9KY8-00089-00019818-00019936 participate eVgerAm9KY8-00090-00019937-00020183 house prices went up not because sellers eVgerAm9KY8-00091-00020184-00020363 got greedy and decided to Mark home eVgerAm9KY8-00092-00020364-00020579 prices up they went up because there was eVgerAm9KY8-00093-00020580-00020855 so much Demand by buyers because of the eVgerAm9KY8-00094-00020856-00021167 easy access of low interest rates that's eVgerAm9KY8-00095-00021168-00021443 what drove prices up and that's what's eVgerAm9KY8-00096-00021444-00021755 going to drive prices down as we've eVgerAm9KY8-00097-00021756-00021935 reached a point now where financing the eVgerAm9KY8-00098-00021936-00022157 home becomes way more expensive than it eVgerAm9KY8-00099-00022158-00022493 was a month ago or two months ago prices eVgerAm9KY8-00100-00022494-00022786 will adjust because the seller that is eVgerAm9KY8-00101-00022787-00022997 has that asking price and is eVgerAm9KY8-00102-00022998-00023200 anticipating getting that asking price eVgerAm9KY8-00103-00023201-00023471 is going to find out that nobody's even eVgerAm9KY8-00104-00023472-00023693 coming to look at the home so again the eVgerAm9KY8-00105-00023694-00023914 price of the home is driven by who the eVgerAm9KY8-00106-00023915-00024172 buyers not the sellers eVgerAm9KY8-00107-00024173-00024341 you can ask whatever you want for your eVgerAm9KY8-00108-00024342-00024544 home and you'll eventually get there eVgerAm9KY8-00109-00024545-00024833 when your price comes down the buyers eVgerAm9KY8-00110-00024834-00024964 will dictate that for you so I'll get eVgerAm9KY8-00111-00024965-00025133 off my soapbox here for a moment here's eVgerAm9KY8-00112-00025134-00025361 our price reductions here in the valley eVgerAm9KY8-00113-00025362-00025625 look at this we are sitting there at 4 eVgerAm9KY8-00114-00025626-00025828 115. eVgerAm9KY8-00115-00025829-00026183 that's pretty hefty that's uh quite the eVgerAm9KY8-00116-00026183-00026458 spike up and we're seeing here let me eVgerAm9KY8-00117-00026460-00026627 get my little handy dandy magnifying eVgerAm9KY8-00118-00026627-00026801 glass out that eVgerAm9KY8-00119-00026802-00027107 resale closings were down 42 percent eVgerAm9KY8-00120-00027108-00027407 from September of last year that's huge eVgerAm9KY8-00121-00027408-00027712 and it said that new home closings down eVgerAm9KY8-00122-00027713-00027868 four percent from last year so they're eVgerAm9KY8-00123-00027869-00028079 winning the battle out there eVgerAm9KY8-00124-00028080-00028205 they're winning it because they're eVgerAm9KY8-00125-00028206-00028474 coming out with some creative financing eVgerAm9KY8-00126-00028475-00028883 but what it did say it says uh that we eVgerAm9KY8-00127-00028883-00029117 are let me my magnifying glass is eVgerAm9KY8-00128-00029118-00029345 confusing here eVgerAm9KY8-00129-00029345-00029602 we can see that resale homes are or new eVgerAm9KY8-00130-00029604-00029740 sale homes are very much better than eVgerAm9KY8-00131-00029741-00029939 sales with new record high median sales eVgerAm9KY8-00132-00029939-00030112 price up one percent from last year last eVgerAm9KY8-00133-00030113-00030407 month new homes now represent 22.3 eVgerAm9KY8-00134-00030408-00030635 percent of all closings eVgerAm9KY8-00135-00030636-00030857 resale closings are down dramatically eVgerAm9KY8-00136-00030858-00031117 the lowest monthly total since January eVgerAm9KY8-00137-00031118-00031435 2016. the median sales price has fallen eVgerAm9KY8-00138-00031436-00031858 8.4 percent from the peak in May that's eVgerAm9KY8-00139-00031860-00032117 a uh a crucial number to remember so eVgerAm9KY8-00140-00032118-00032311 you're going to hear that we're down eVgerAm9KY8-00141-00032312-00032596 eight percent we're down eight percent eVgerAm9KY8-00142-00032597-00032783 from our Peak nobody rings a bell when eVgerAm9KY8-00143-00032784-00032902 you're at the top they don't ring a bell eVgerAm9KY8-00144-00032903-00033071 and you're at the bottom but guess what eVgerAm9KY8-00145-00033072-00033371 may was the top and we are down eight eVgerAm9KY8-00146-00033372-00033581 percent from that top but we're still eVgerAm9KY8-00147-00033582-00033959 above 2021 so we're probably above 2021 eVgerAm9KY8-00148-00033960-00034217 by about seven percent eVgerAm9KY8-00149-00034218-00034487 so when you start seeing headlines just eVgerAm9KY8-00150-00034488-00034624 just remember that you're going to hear eVgerAm9KY8-00151-00034625-00034829 a couple of different numbers being eVgerAm9KY8-00152-00034830-00035087 floated out there now I it looks like we eVgerAm9KY8-00153-00035088-00035279 are trending eVgerAm9KY8-00154-00035280-00035423 um now I don't want to say quickly but eVgerAm9KY8-00155-00035424-00035723 we're trending towards 2021 pricing and eVgerAm9KY8-00156-00035724-00035933 you can see it in this chart here the eVgerAm9KY8-00157-00035934-00036185 monthly median sales price still hasn't eVgerAm9KY8-00158-00036186-00036317 hit the blue line eVgerAm9KY8-00159-00036318-00036701 of 2021 and we had a run-up last year at eVgerAm9KY8-00160-00036702-00037031 the end of the year that continued in eVgerAm9KY8-00161-00037032-00037307 2022 went up at a pretty alarming rate eVgerAm9KY8-00162-00037308-00037583 and now it's just coming down so it eVgerAm9KY8-00163-00037584-00037829 won't be long couple weeks three weeks eVgerAm9KY8-00164-00037830-00038002 maybe we'll be down here well it's going eVgerAm9KY8-00165-00038003-00038189 to be more than let's I'll say six weeks eVgerAm9KY8-00166-00038190-00038495 we're going to be a 20 21 pricing so eVgerAm9KY8-00167-00038496-00038777 that's uh eVgerAm9KY8-00168-00038778-00039065 um as you look ahead the 2023 that's eVgerAm9KY8-00169-00039066-00039167 where you're going to start seeing these eVgerAm9KY8-00170-00039168-00039293 predictions that you get from Goldman eVgerAm9KY8-00171-00039294-00039490 that says well you know yeah some eVgerAm9KY8-00172-00039491-00039640 markets are going to go down 20 to 30 eVgerAm9KY8-00173-00039641-00039874 percent but not everywhere eVgerAm9KY8-00174-00039875-00040043 um some of the hot markets might some eVgerAm9KY8-00175-00040044-00040223 won't all depends on how much new eVgerAm9KY8-00176-00040224-00040493 construction is going on uh and where eVgerAm9KY8-00177-00040494-00040649 interest rates are and nobody really eVgerAm9KY8-00178-00040650-00040799 knows where interest rates are even the eVgerAm9KY8-00179-00040800-00040930 bond market eVgerAm9KY8-00180-00040931-00041152 wrote an article here talking about the eVgerAm9KY8-00181-00041153-00041321 comparison to the price of oil in the eVgerAm9KY8-00182-00041322-00041530 10-year Treasury and it it's usually eVgerAm9KY8-00183-00041531-00041759 correlated you know eVgerAm9KY8-00184-00041760-00041980 you have oil prices going down and eVgerAm9KY8-00185-00041981-00042185 10-year treasuries went went down but eVgerAm9KY8-00186-00042186-00042424 then oil prices went eVgerAm9KY8-00187-00042425-00042665 up or oil prices went down here and the eVgerAm9KY8-00188-00042666-00042809 10-year treasury is still considered to eVgerAm9KY8-00189-00042810-00043121 go up so they're saying well eVgerAm9KY8-00190-00043122-00043361 there's a correlation maybe not so now eVgerAm9KY8-00191-00043362-00043637 with OPEC clamping down again people are eVgerAm9KY8-00192-00043638-00043949 asking well is this going to uh eVgerAm9KY8-00193-00043950-00044189 raise rates again nobody knows eVgerAm9KY8-00194-00044190-00044393 everybody's everybody's guessing here's eVgerAm9KY8-00195-00044394-00044639 an interesting article here too eVgerAm9KY8-00196-00044640-00044879 over 50 percent of CEOs say they're eVgerAm9KY8-00197-00044880-00045095 considering cutting jobs over the next eVgerAm9KY8-00198-00045096-00045455 six months ouch and remote workers may eVgerAm9KY8-00199-00045456-00045707 be the first to go eVgerAm9KY8-00200-00045708-00045923 now when we first first started getting eVgerAm9KY8-00201-00045924-00046073 into the remote eVgerAm9KY8-00202-00046074-00046289 worker phase of this there's a couple eVgerAm9KY8-00203-00046290-00046457 things that that I said being the old eVgerAm9KY8-00204-00046458-00046649 fart in the building and one is eVgerAm9KY8-00205-00046650-00046877 you know one I think you after a while eVgerAm9KY8-00206-00046878-00047171 start to in sales jobs lose some eVgerAm9KY8-00207-00047172-00047387 momentum and productivity because there eVgerAm9KY8-00208-00047388-00047524 are a lot of decisions that are made at eVgerAm9KY8-00209-00047525-00047746 the water cooler people standing next to eVgerAm9KY8-00210-00047747-00047867 each other and going you know I had an eVgerAm9KY8-00211-00047868-00048089 idea that doesn't happen during a zoom eVgerAm9KY8-00212-00048090-00048383 call it does but not at the same level eVgerAm9KY8-00213-00048384-00048707 and guess what it's a lot easier now to eVgerAm9KY8-00214-00048708-00048995 lay you off if you're a remote worker eVgerAm9KY8-00215-00048996-00049235 remember all of the zoom calls where eVgerAm9KY8-00216-00049236-00049367 people there was even a title company eVgerAm9KY8-00217-00049368-00049595 here in Arizona and Seattle that laid eVgerAm9KY8-00218-00049596-00049852 off 100 people on a zoom call eVgerAm9KY8-00219-00049853-00050015 you're just a number now you're out eVgerAm9KY8-00220-00050016-00050201 there now I remember I worked for a eVgerAm9KY8-00221-00050202-00050345 large corporation we went through a eVgerAm9KY8-00222-00050346-00050555 major layoff a couple times eVgerAm9KY8-00223-00050556-00050771 and I was a guy that had to deliver the eVgerAm9KY8-00224-00050772-00050927 laughs and our human resources eVgerAm9KY8-00225-00050928-00051130 department would put the severance eVgerAm9KY8-00226-00051131-00051364 packages in a blue folder eVgerAm9KY8-00227-00051365-00051551 so you'd walk in with a blue folder and eVgerAm9KY8-00228-00051552-00051814 sit down and people knew what that blue eVgerAm9KY8-00229-00051815-00052001 folder meant but you had to have a eVgerAm9KY8-00230-00052002-00052120 conversation with him you had to say eVgerAm9KY8-00231-00052121-00052276 here's what we're offering you it was eVgerAm9KY8-00232-00052277-00052559 more personal and make it any easier but eVgerAm9KY8-00233-00052560-00052685 as managers eVgerAm9KY8-00234-00052686-00052954 we have to be very careful that we eVgerAm9KY8-00235-00052955-00053165 didn't walk into the office with a blue eVgerAm9KY8-00236-00053166-00053344 folder that had different stuff in it eVgerAm9KY8-00237-00053345-00053500 because if you walked into a sales eVgerAm9KY8-00238-00053501-00053716 office with a blue folder everybody eVgerAm9KY8-00239-00053717-00054065 froze like oh no oh no no no no this is eVgerAm9KY8-00240-00054066-00054371 uh we have a new dental plan so Human eVgerAm9KY8-00241-00054372-00054532 Resources would send it in the blue eVgerAm9KY8-00242-00054533-00054911 folder we'd put it on a red one eVgerAm9KY8-00243-00054912-00055199 so now they're saying that uh eVgerAm9KY8-00244-00055200-00055450 remote workers might be the first to go eVgerAm9KY8-00245-00055451-00055679 and it did say down here let me see if I eVgerAm9KY8-00246-00055679-00055841 can find it eVgerAm9KY8-00247-00055841-00055937 um eVgerAm9KY8-00248-00055938-00056159 uh it's likely and extremely likely eVgerAm9KY8-00249-00056160-00056303 remote workers will be laid out first eVgerAm9KY8-00250-00056304-00056471 according to a majority of the three eVgerAm9KY8-00251-00056472-00056765 thousand managers polled another 20 were eVgerAm9KY8-00252-00056766-00057076 undecided and they were saying that uh eVgerAm9KY8-00253-00057077-00057413 in this article that eVgerAm9KY8-00254-00057414-00057671 it's probably much easier to lay off the eVgerAm9KY8-00255-00057672-00057821 people that aren't in the office the eVgerAm9KY8-00256-00057822-00057941 ones that are in the office you're eVgerAm9KY8-00257-00057941-00058066 talking to them every day you're meeting eVgerAm9KY8-00258-00058067-00058241 with them you're making decisions with eVgerAm9KY8-00259-00058241-00058594 them so beware of any upcoming Zoom eVgerAm9KY8-00260-00058595-00058715 calls if you're with a large eVgerAm9KY8-00261-00058716-00058900 organization now going forward here in eVgerAm9KY8-00262-00058901-00059219 Phoenix we are seeing price declines we eVgerAm9KY8-00263-00059220-00059465 are in a highly interest rate sensitive eVgerAm9KY8-00264-00059466-00059650 market so the predictions are going to eVgerAm9KY8-00265-00059651-00059897 be fast and furious going forward be eVgerAm9KY8-00266-00059898-00060053 sure and hit that subscribe button and eVgerAm9KY8-00267-00060054-00060238 the like button I'll keep you up to date eVgerAm9KY8-00268-00060239-00060376 thanks eVgerAm9KY8-00269-00060377-00060595 foreign 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eXV5pQujH8k-00085-00018468-00018683 moves everyone says it but like when you eXV5pQujH8k-00086-00018684-00018902 can go that fast with that kind of eXV5pQujH8k-00087-00018903-00019247 quality like I got dig deeper and so we eXV5pQujH8k-00088-00019248-00019358 just kind of went down that path and eXV5pQujH8k-00089-00019359-00019595 it's been it's been quite an adventure eXV5pQujH8k-00090-00019596-00019997 Oh obviously Microsoft playing github is eXV5pQujH8k-00091-00019998-00020270 made for a whole lot of discussions in a eXV5pQujH8k-00092-00020271-00020471 whole lot of different ways for us yeah eXV5pQujH8k-00093-00020472-00020660 and competition is good so it's been a eXV5pQujH8k-00094-00020661-00020798 lot of black great fun but we definitely eXV5pQujH8k-00095-00020799-00020969 want to talk about the get lab and eXV5pQujH8k-00096-00020970-00021155 beacon platform partnership but I want eXV5pQujH8k-00097-00021156-00021449 to first ask you Alex tell our viewers a eXV5pQujH8k-00098-00021450-00021560 little bit more about the beacon eXV5pQujH8k-00099-00021561-00021794 platform so beacon is a a beacon eXV5pQujH8k-00100-00021795-00021923 platform as a company came out of the eXV5pQujH8k-00101-00021924-00022091 financial services from the large banks eXV5pQujH8k-00102-00022092-00022265 the the Goldman Sachs's the JP Morgan's eXV5pQujH8k-00103-00022266-00022463 the Bank of America and in those places eXV5pQujH8k-00104-00022464-00022643 internally they actually have this quite eXV5pQujH8k-00105-00022644-00022868 open source like culture where there is eXV5pQujH8k-00106-00022869-00023024 people contributing the same codebase eXV5pQujH8k-00107-00023025-00023213 there's a life cycle of how things are eXV5pQujH8k-00108-00023214-00023405 done and its rapid moving and people eXV5pQujH8k-00109-00023406-00023531 don't associate that with large banks eXV5pQujH8k-00110-00023532-00023702 but there is these products out there in 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companies your even eXV5pQujH8k-00125-00026713-00026841 your large banks insurance commodity eXV5pQujH8k-00126-00026842-00027000 commodities firms insurance plant people eXV5pQujH8k-00127-00027001-00027227 they can take our platform and then eXV5pQujH8k-00128-00027229-00027489 bring their own analytics and then build eXV5pQujH8k-00129-00027489-00027669 financial applications that they want on eXV5pQujH8k-00130-00027670-00028110 top of it and whilst doing so be ensure eXV5pQujH8k-00131-00028111-00028308 that they are compliant with with eXV5pQujH8k-00132-00028308-00028479 security there we've we've done the eXV5pQujH8k-00133-00028480-00028617 governance for you we've done the eXV5pQujH8k-00134-00028618-00028836 security for you all you have to do is eXV5pQujH8k-00135-00028837-00029045 put your good ideas to use and make eXV5pQujH8k-00136-00029047-00029352 applications so give us some examples of eXV5pQujH8k-00137-00029352-00029520 the business problems that this platform 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eXV5pQujH8k-00151-00032239-00032394 can start saying oh I've got an idea eXV5pQujH8k-00152-00032395-00032622 Oh hack it up and when it's hacked they eXV5pQujH8k-00153-00032623-00032775 can publish it it comes out the other eXV5pQujH8k-00154-00032776-00033015 end and all the reporting is underneath eXV5pQujH8k-00155-00033016-00033162 it it's there there's security is there eXV5pQujH8k-00156-00033163-00033318 the compliance is there all the eXV5pQujH8k-00157-00033319-00033549 authentication is there and that idea eXV5pQujH8k-00158-00033550-00033744 has now been actualized in the matter of eXV5pQujH8k-00159-00033745-00034065 days weeks rather than months and years eXV5pQujH8k-00160-00034066-00034278 and that means that our customers can eXV5pQujH8k-00161-00034279-00034446 take these ideas that they be working on eXV5pQujH8k-00162-00034447-00034689 or just conceiving and turn it into eXV5pQujH8k-00163-00034690-00034830 reality in a very short amount of time eXV5pQujH8k-00164-00034831-00035153 and then be comfortable that that whole eXV5pQujH8k-00165-00035154-00035487 platform itself remains secure compliant eXV5pQujH8k-00166-00035488-00035643 and all the same thing that Amazon is eXV5pQujH8k-00167-00035644-00035868 actually counting to us you know it eXV5pQujH8k-00168-00035869-00036117 seems like if you if you're your focus eXV5pQujH8k-00169-00036118-00036423 your core competence was or is financial eXV5pQujH8k-00170-00036424-00036660 services I mean you're starting at a eXV5pQujH8k-00171-00036661-00037071 very high level of demand client right eXV5pQujH8k-00172-00037072-00037368 well and appropriately so and so there eXV5pQujH8k-00173-00037369-00037608 are a lot of lessons that migrate to eXV5pQujH8k-00174-00037609-00037803 other businesses that I would assume are eXV5pQujH8k-00175-00037804-00038142 quite attractive to them because if you eXV5pQujH8k-00176-00038143-00038403 mentioned your client boa if they've got 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collaboration of symbiotic in many eXV5pQujH8k-00218-00046381-00046577 respects right you're leaning on them eXV5pQujH8k-00219-00046578-00046718 and what about the relationship between eXV5pQujH8k-00220-00046719-00046946 the two of you then in terms of yeah so eXV5pQujH8k-00221-00046947-00047189 as much as beacon it's very financial eXV5pQujH8k-00222-00047190-00047387 services focus we're you know we're eXV5pQujH8k-00223-00047388-00047651 we're DevOps tool and and DevOps tool eXV5pQujH8k-00224-00047652-00048054 for for anyone right so in many ways eXV5pQujH8k-00225-00048055-00048348 what beacon is doing is taking what get eXV5pQujH8k-00226-00048349-00048593 labs done about building that whole tool eXV5pQujH8k-00227-00048594-00048780 chain cuz there's really a tool chain eXV5pQujH8k-00228-00048781-00049058 crisis out there of if you start looking eXV5pQujH8k-00229-00049059-00049239 at what needs to be set up for a eXV5pQujH8k-00230-00049240-00049418 developer like they want to live in eXV5pQujH8k-00231-00049419-00049695 their IDE do their development be you eXV5pQujH8k-00232-00049696-00049880 know and publish as he said but you eXV5pQujH8k-00233-00049881-00050015 start looking at what that needs to be eXV5pQujH8k-00234-00050016-00050210 set up after that you're talking eXV5pQujH8k-00235-00050211-00050598 oftentimes in a company 1215 other steps eXV5pQujH8k-00236-00050599-00050886 they go through and that was kind of our eXV5pQujH8k-00237-00050887-00051132 AHA was there's an opportunity to treat eXV5pQujH8k-00238-00051133-00051425 that as one full application as a DevOps eXV5pQujH8k-00239-00051426-00051743 tool set across the entire board started eXV5pQujH8k-00240-00051744-00051863 down that journey really like three eXV5pQujH8k-00241-00051864-00052095 years ago and eXV5pQujH8k-00242-00052096-00052271 that's kind I think where we got to eXV5pQujH8k-00243-00052272-00052517 match up the similar story they wrap all eXV5pQujH8k-00244-00052519-00052722 the important financial data all the eXV5pQujH8k-00245-00052723-00052935 other things that matter to a bank right eXV5pQujH8k-00246-00052936-00053037 and there get a whole bunch of extra eXV5pQujH8k-00247-00053038-00053412 tooling extra data extra services but at eXV5pQujH8k-00248-00053413-00053579 the core of it they also leverage gitlab eXV5pQujH8k-00249-00053580-00053778 both as a tool to develop their own eXV5pQujH8k-00250-00053779-00054024 product and also to offer it as a tool eXV5pQujH8k-00251-00054025-00054246 possibly to their own customers right so eXV5pQujH8k-00252-00054247-00054360 their other customers need to develop eXV5pQujH8k-00253-00054361-00054621 they need a DevOps toolset so we work eXV5pQujH8k-00254-00054622-00054735 back and forth a whole lot on this eXV5pQujH8k-00255-00054736-00055004 they've moved so fast it's been amazing eXV5pQujH8k-00256-00055005-00055232 and so every time we sit down we're like eXV5pQujH8k-00257-00055233-00055554 wait what if we did okay cool let's eXV5pQujH8k-00258-00055554-00055749 iterate and we have we can turn that eXV5pQujH8k-00259-00055750-00055967 around we ship every month to our eXV5pQujH8k-00260-00055969-00056192 customers you can run it anywhere you eXV5pQujH8k-00261-00056194-00056417 want the majority of our customers they eXV5pQujH8k-00262-00056419-00056547 love the fact that they could run eXV5pQujH8k-00263-00056548-00056816 anywhere which is back to while beacon eXV5pQujH8k-00264-00056817-00057155 does runs on Amazon their customer bases eXV5pQujH8k-00265-00057157-00057429 have to run on Prem right and you know eXV5pQujH8k-00266-00057429-00057585 while we're seeing that Hybrid become eXV5pQujH8k-00267-00057586-00057753 more and more common which is great eXV5pQujH8k-00268-00057754-00057857 that's the truth that's been there eXV5pQujH8k-00269-00057858-00057903 forever eXV5pQujH8k-00270-00057904-00058125 right um that's a world that we've lived eXV5pQujH8k-00271-00058126-00058355 they live every day and have lived 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infrastructure industry eY0dg_tOU2o-00006-00001204-00001399 [Music] eY0dg_tOU2o-00007-00001400-00001591 welcome to our new podcast series data eY0dg_tOU2o-00008-00001592-00001863 movers i'm jamie scott okataya your host eY0dg_tOU2o-00009-00001864-00002183 and founder and ceo of jsa and my eY0dg_tOU2o-00010-00002184-00002263 co-host eY0dg_tOU2o-00011-00002264-00002599 mr evan christelle top b2b social media eY0dg_tOU2o-00012-00002600-00002799 influencer eY0dg_tOU2o-00013-00002800-00002999 yeah hi good to see you and uh welcome eY0dg_tOU2o-00014-00003000-00003183 everyone to data movers where we sit eY0dg_tOU2o-00015-00003184-00003335 down with the eY0dg_tOU2o-00016-00003336-00003654 top movers and shakers in today's telco eY0dg_tOU2o-00017-00003655-00003886 and data center world supporting eY0dg_tOU2o-00018-00003887-00004111 the network infrastructure requirements eY0dg_tOU2o-00019-00004112-00004222 of this new eY0dg_tOU2o-00020-00004223-00004527 normal jamie how are you great evan eY0dg_tOU2o-00021-00004528-00004606 thank you eY0dg_tOU2o-00022-00004607-00004902 it's been uh it's been quite the start eY0dg_tOU2o-00023-00004903-00005070 of the holiday season eY0dg_tOU2o-00024-00005071-00005359 definitely not the same but making it eY0dg_tOU2o-00025-00005360-00005406 work eY0dg_tOU2o-00026-00005407-00005695 how about you yeah it's it's definitely eY0dg_tOU2o-00027-00005696-00005886 different so we managed to get through eY0dg_tOU2o-00028-00005887-00005967 thanksgiving eY0dg_tOU2o-00029-00005968-00006263 and now we have that run up to christmas eY0dg_tOU2o-00030-00006264-00006463 which is always a busy time eY0dg_tOU2o-00031-00006464-00006710 shopping and the like so are you fully eY0dg_tOU2o-00032-00006711-00006846 online eY0dg_tOU2o-00033-00006847-00006998 shopping or do you actually go into eY0dg_tOU2o-00034-00007000-00007214 stores or retailers or little eY0dg_tOU2o-00035-00007215-00007446 boutiques that kind of thing i'm not in eY0dg_tOU2o-00036-00007447-00007655 the stores anymore but i will tell you eY0dg_tOU2o-00037-00007656-00007919 um um online and it's usually middle of eY0dg_tOU2o-00038-00007920-00008014 the night eY0dg_tOU2o-00039-00008015-00008199 which is dangerous shopping time eY0dg_tOU2o-00040-00008200-00008359 actually because i'll wake up and be eY0dg_tOU2o-00041-00008360-00008478 like i forgot eY0dg_tOU2o-00042-00008479-00008759 my nanny you know and then going like eY0dg_tOU2o-00043-00008760-00008791 and eY0dg_tOU2o-00044-00008792-00009055 and start ordering things off of amazon eY0dg_tOU2o-00045-00009056-00009095 and eY0dg_tOU2o-00046-00009096-00009246 and then a few days later i'm like what eY0dg_tOU2o-00047-00009247-00009478 was this what did i order eY0dg_tOU2o-00048-00009479-00009710 yeah we're all suffering from that and eY0dg_tOU2o-00049-00009711-00009871 just looking at the data it's really eY0dg_tOU2o-00050-00009872-00010046 phenomenal i mean this is the biggest eY0dg_tOU2o-00051-00010047-00010206 e-commerce eY0dg_tOU2o-00052-00010207-00010438 surge in history in the history of the eY0dg_tOU2o-00053-00010439-00010646 internet so it's um eY0dg_tOU2o-00054-00010647-00010823 pretty shocking to see the numbers from eY0dg_tOU2o-00055-00010824-00011038 the likes of amazon and others eY0dg_tOU2o-00056-00011039-00011263 yeah i mean amazon is literally becoming eY0dg_tOU2o-00057-00011264-00011510 like santa claus being able to deliver eY0dg_tOU2o-00058-00011511-00011687 anywhere in the world in like one eY0dg_tOU2o-00059-00011688-00011903 night's time with prime you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00060-00011904-00012223 i even saw that santa is now moving to eY0dg_tOU2o-00061-00012224-00012270 zoom eY0dg_tOU2o-00062-00012271-00012503 so you know this is going to be a rather eY0dg_tOU2o-00063-00012504-00012719 different holiday experience eY0dg_tOU2o-00064-00012720-00012943 yeah i'm looking forward to uh to my eY0dg_tOU2o-00065-00012944-00013022 little daughter eY0dg_tOU2o-00066-00013023-00013238 knowing who santa is and being excited eY0dg_tOU2o-00067-00013240-00013375 about like the story eY0dg_tOU2o-00068-00013376-00013727 you know but why don't we uh dive into eY0dg_tOU2o-00069-00013728-00013879 our guest eY0dg_tOU2o-00070-00013880-00014063 yeah i'm so excited about our guest eY0dg_tOU2o-00071-00014063-00014222 today um he is eY0dg_tOU2o-00072-00014223-00014407 absolutely one of the main headliners eY0dg_tOU2o-00073-00014408-00014647 recently with some major acquisitions in eY0dg_tOU2o-00074-00014647-00014751 the news eY0dg_tOU2o-00075-00014752-00014966 um so let's get right to it i should eY0dg_tOU2o-00076-00014968-00015263 also say he is the poster ceo eY0dg_tOU2o-00077-00015263-00015583 of navigating uh these uh these crazy eY0dg_tOU2o-00078-00015584-00015743 times and really keeping eY0dg_tOU2o-00079-00015744-00015958 corporate culture alive and well even in eY0dg_tOU2o-00080-00015959-00016063 this new virtual eY0dg_tOU2o-00081-00016063-00016294 reality that we're living in so let's eY0dg_tOU2o-00082-00016295-00016391 get right to it eY0dg_tOU2o-00083-00016392-00016679 today we welcome raoul martinek ceo of eY0dg_tOU2o-00084-00016680-00016758 data bank eY0dg_tOU2o-00085-00016759-00017030 raul thank you for joining us thanks eY0dg_tOU2o-00086-00017031-00017199 jamie and thanks evan thanks for having eY0dg_tOU2o-00087-00017200-00017294 me eY0dg_tOU2o-00088-00017295-00017535 yeah welcome raul and first question eY0dg_tOU2o-00089-00017536-00017655 databank eY0dg_tOU2o-00090-00017656-00018094 are you a bank uh no we're not eY0dg_tOU2o-00091-00018095-00018279 in a way we are right because i actually eY0dg_tOU2o-00092-00018280-00018463 really like the name because eY0dg_tOU2o-00093-00018464-00018671 data is obviously a very valuable eY0dg_tOU2o-00094-00018672-00018950 commodity in data bank we store data eY0dg_tOU2o-00095-00018951-00019183 obviously in our data center so in a way eY0dg_tOU2o-00096-00019184-00019391 you know we're a bank for for digital eY0dg_tOU2o-00097-00019392-00019614 assets right as opposed to monetary eY0dg_tOU2o-00098-00019615-00019719 assets eY0dg_tOU2o-00099-00019720-00019839 love it well i was going to ask you what eY0dg_tOU2o-00100-00019840-00020039 my interest rate might be but in all eY0dg_tOU2o-00101-00020040-00020175 seriousness eY0dg_tOU2o-00102-00020176-00020439 you guys have had a pretty uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00103-00020440-00020575 fascinating year eY0dg_tOU2o-00104-00020576-00020830 it's been tumultuous for all of us but eY0dg_tOU2o-00105-00020831-00020886 you've eY0dg_tOU2o-00106-00020887-00021111 not only survived but you're thriving eY0dg_tOU2o-00107-00021112-00021214 through this eY0dg_tOU2o-00108-00021215-00021494 you know difficult time to tell us more eY0dg_tOU2o-00109-00021495-00021614 yeah sure so eY0dg_tOU2o-00110-00021615-00021791 and just really briefly i mean databanks eY0dg_tOU2o-00111-00021792-00021975 the company's 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uh type of dynamic in a world where you eY0dg_tOU2o-00603-00114032-00114183 can't have the water cooler anymore eY0dg_tOU2o-00604-00114183-00114254 right eY0dg_tOU2o-00605-00114255-00114423 and uh so anyway it's been really it's eY0dg_tOU2o-00606-00114424-00114575 been really fun they're gonna prepare eY0dg_tOU2o-00607-00114576-00114686 season two eY0dg_tOU2o-00608-00114688-00114934 uh and uh you know hopefully that will eY0dg_tOU2o-00609-00114935-00114999 you know allow eY0dg_tOU2o-00610-00115000-00115127 other people to come up with their own eY0dg_tOU2o-00611-00115128-00115351 ideas over you know what we can do to eY0dg_tOU2o-00612-00115352-00115439 again eY0dg_tOU2o-00613-00115440-00115686 um you know remind people of you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00614-00115688-00115854 what our purpose is as a company eY0dg_tOU2o-00615-00115855-00116023 how important our customers are and what eY0dg_tOU2o-00616-00116024-00116190 we do for our customers eY0dg_tOU2o-00617-00116191-00116358 and then also you 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going to be quote unquote eY0dg_tOU2o-00707-00134255-00134478 edge markets and then number two with eY0dg_tOU2o-00708-00134479-00134599 edge presence eY0dg_tOU2o-00709-00134600-00134927 to give us a solution for very eY0dg_tOU2o-00710-00134928-00135159 geographically specific locations eY0dg_tOU2o-00711-00135160-00135319 because i think what we've learned from eY0dg_tOU2o-00712-00135320-00135471 20 years ago is eY0dg_tOU2o-00713-00135472-00135719 20 years ago you go into the office and eY0dg_tOU2o-00714-00135720-00135895 the people have the server eY0dg_tOU2o-00715-00135896-00136175 like in the water closet you know by the eY0dg_tOU2o-00716-00136176-00136263 broom mop eY0dg_tOU2o-00717-00136264-00136535 because it was cheap and people just eY0dg_tOU2o-00718-00136536-00136695 almost looked at it as an eY0dg_tOU2o-00719-00136696-00137054 expense right now i t is everything eY0dg_tOU2o-00720-00137055-00137231 technology is everything it is your eY0dg_tOU2o-00721-00137232-00137439 competitive capability eY0dg_tOU2o-00722-00137440-00137719 to operate in this marketplace so you eY0dg_tOU2o-00723-00137720-00137919 need you can't afford to have eY0dg_tOU2o-00724-00137920-00138239 this infrastructure in a eY0dg_tOU2o-00725-00138240-00138451 location where it's not going to survive eY0dg_tOU2o-00726-00138452-00138751 24x7 365 eY0dg_tOU2o-00727-00138752-00139039 100 of the time and that's why you need eY0dg_tOU2o-00728-00139040-00139190 data center enclosures because eY0dg_tOU2o-00729-00139191-00139343 ultimately what a data center does eY0dg_tOU2o-00730-00139344-00139719 is exactly that right it can it protects eY0dg_tOU2o-00731-00139720-00139966 that infrastructure so that it can be eY0dg_tOU2o-00732-00139967-00140063 have power eY0dg_tOU2o-00733-00140064-00140351 and cooling and connectivity and access eY0dg_tOU2o-00734-00140352-00140471 and security eY0dg_tOU2o-00735-00140472-00140743 and the compliance you know and meet all eY0dg_tOU2o-00736-00140744-00140943 those things but in a smaller footprint eY0dg_tOU2o-00737-00140944-00140999 so eY0dg_tOU2o-00738-00141000-00141311 so we see those two trends um eY0dg_tOU2o-00739-00141312-00141495 emerging and i think from a timing eY0dg_tOU2o-00740-00141496-00141695 perspective i think it's happening right eY0dg_tOU2o-00741-00141696-00141735 now eY0dg_tOU2o-00742-00141736-00141902 right i mean i think you could you can eY0dg_tOU2o-00743-00141903-00142119 argue that there's a lot of eY0dg_tOU2o-00744-00142120-00142351 new workloads that are showing up and eY0dg_tOU2o-00745-00142352-00142487 i'm just talking about our industry eY0dg_tOU2o-00746-00142488-00142559 right because eY0dg_tOU2o-00747-00142560-00142719 one of the funny things if you go listen eY0dg_tOU2o-00748-00142720-00142951 to uh you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00749-00142952-00143263 uh the ceo of nvidia lang eY0dg_tOU2o-00750-00143264-00143566 um you know his his uh keynote speech eY0dg_tOU2o-00751-00143567-00143654 last year 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ultimately i eY0dg_tOU2o-00767-00146727-00146999 i think uh it's happening today i think eY0dg_tOU2o-00768-00147000-00147102 it's happening eY0dg_tOU2o-00769-00147103-00147335 on certainly on the hyperscale side it's eY0dg_tOU2o-00770-00147336-00147566 happening uh in a major way eY0dg_tOU2o-00771-00147567-00147799 um and i think the mobile edge will eY0dg_tOU2o-00772-00147800-00147911 really start to eY0dg_tOU2o-00773-00147912-00148295 emerge uh around 5g which is still eY0dg_tOU2o-00774-00148296-00148607 you know kind of year one um eY0dg_tOU2o-00775-00148608-00148807 you know i would say year one of uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00776-00148808-00148911 probably a five eY0dg_tOU2o-00777-00148912-00149263 year type of deployment cycle to get to eY0dg_tOU2o-00778-00149264-00149519 what we call standalone 5g type of eY0dg_tOU2o-00779-00149520-00149702 networks and capabilities eY0dg_tOU2o-00780-00149703-00149911 uh so but i so i think it's happening eY0dg_tOU2o-00781-00149912-00150063 today and i 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us and that ultimately when eY0dg_tOU2o-00812-00157327-00157487 that bust happens eY0dg_tOU2o-00813-00157488-00157711 people lose faith right and i do think eY0dg_tOU2o-00814-00157712-00157919 the dot-com bubble was a quote-unquote eY0dg_tOU2o-00815-00157920-00158175 near-death experience for the space eY0dg_tOU2o-00816-00158176-00158478 and that ultimately you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00817-00158479-00158671 i you know we shouldn't have lost faith eY0dg_tOU2o-00818-00158672-00158790 that it was gonna happen eY0dg_tOU2o-00819-00158791-00158926 it's just you know it was ahead of its eY0dg_tOU2o-00820-00158927-00159199 time right all the business ideas that eY0dg_tOU2o-00821-00159200-00159439 were created in 95 to 2000 they're eY0dg_tOU2o-00822-00159440-00159551 happening today eY0dg_tOU2o-00823-00159552-00159671 and they're the trillion dollar eY0dg_tOU2o-00824-00159672-00159854 companies of today right so eY0dg_tOU2o-00825-00159855-00160063 so there was nothing wrong with the way 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function eY0dg_tOU2o-00842-00162872-00163023 right where you have these periods of eY0dg_tOU2o-00843-00163024-00163207 very quick adoption eY0dg_tOU2o-00844-00163208-00163431 followed by absorption and then you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00845-00163432-00163623 things like and then some declines too eY0dg_tOU2o-00846-00163624-00163799 so so ultimately i think that would be eY0dg_tOU2o-00847-00163800-00164014 the advice i'd give myself eY0dg_tOU2o-00848-00164015-00164319 well good advice and i think most people eY0dg_tOU2o-00849-00164320-00164502 younger than us perhaps don't remember eY0dg_tOU2o-00850-00164503-00164638 that dot com eY0dg_tOU2o-00851-00164639-00165038 bust so uh you know it's an industry eY0dg_tOU2o-00852-00165039-00165295 that's dominated by mostly sort of eY0dg_tOU2o-00853-00165296-00165399 middle-aged types like eY0dg_tOU2o-00854-00165400-00165759 ourselves raul jamie excluded but um eY0dg_tOU2o-00855-00165760-00166119 uh how do we as an industry attract eY0dg_tOU2o-00856-00166120-00166390 this younger generation to you know join eY0dg_tOU2o-00857-00166391-00166551 in the opportunity and the fun eY0dg_tOU2o-00858-00166552-00166854 and what are you doing maybe a data bank eY0dg_tOU2o-00859-00166855-00166919 uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00860-00166920-00167151 to to kind of recruit and engage a eY0dg_tOU2o-00861-00167152-00167366 younger generation of workers eY0dg_tOU2o-00862-00167367-00167614 i i that's a great point evan and eY0dg_tOU2o-00863-00167615-00167799 absolutely and i think you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00864-00167800-00167990 you know the you know the the future eY0dg_tOU2o-00865-00167991-00168183 obviously belongs to the young right so eY0dg_tOU2o-00866-00168184-00168335 we should remember that eY0dg_tOU2o-00867-00168336-00168559 and ultimately you know there's some eY0dg_tOU2o-00868-00168560-00168687 really interesting eY0dg_tOU2o-00869-00168688-00168959 differences in terms of how younger eY0dg_tOU2o-00870-00168960-00169023 people eY0dg_tOU2o-00871-00169024-00169207 who haven't been exposed to all that eY0dg_tOU2o-00872-00169208-00169375 thing that you that we've just been eY0dg_tOU2o-00873-00169376-00169502 talking about eY0dg_tOU2o-00874-00169503-00169719 approach problems and then kind of what eY0dg_tOU2o-00875-00169720-00169854 kind of uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00876-00169855-00169999 folks that have been in the space for eY0dg_tOU2o-00877-00170000-00170190 you know for a couple of decades right eY0dg_tOU2o-00878-00170191-00170454 and and really you know uh it's the eY0dg_tOU2o-00879-00170455-00170535 future is eY0dg_tOU2o-00880-00170536-00170766 again this is not anything revolutionary eY0dg_tOU2o-00881-00170767-00170943 but i think it's much more eY0dg_tOU2o-00882-00170944-00171199 a software-centric view of the world i eY0dg_tOU2o-00883-00171200-00171271 think that eY0dg_tOU2o-00884-00171272-00171519 the younger generation has grown up in eY0dg_tOU2o-00885-00171520-00171631 software grown up eY0dg_tOU2o-00886-00171632-00171975 you know gaming grown up using apps um eY0dg_tOU2o-00887-00171976-00172263 and they look at software as a way to eY0dg_tOU2o-00888-00172264-00172495 solve problems first but i think eY0dg_tOU2o-00889-00172496-00172726 um you know the previous generation eY0dg_tOU2o-00890-00172727-00172871 myself included eY0dg_tOU2o-00891-00172872-00173054 looked at kind of building things to eY0dg_tOU2o-00892-00173055-00173223 solve problems as opposed to using eY0dg_tOU2o-00893-00173224-00173383 software to solve problems so eY0dg_tOU2o-00894-00173384-00173566 so i think you know mark andreessen and eY0dg_tOU2o-00895-00173567-00173751 again it's amazing it's an article that eY0dg_tOU2o-00896-00173752-00174038 was um it's almost 10 years old at this eY0dg_tOU2o-00897-00174039-00174102 point eY0dg_tOU2o-00898-00174103-00174375 and it was so prescient in its time and eY0dg_tOU2o-00899-00174376-00174526 it continues to be eY0dg_tOU2o-00900-00174527-00174790 uh you know a valid today right he wrote eY0dg_tOU2o-00901-00174791-00174926 an article in the wall street journal eY0dg_tOU2o-00902-00174927-00175047 you know why is eY0dg_tOU2o-00903-00175048-00175207 software is eating the world right eY0dg_tOU2o-00904-00175208-00175407 that's where that phrase comes from eY0dg_tOU2o-00905-00175408-00175583 and go i mean you can google that eY0dg_tOU2o-00906-00175584-00175766 article and you can read it and it's eY0dg_tOU2o-00907-00175767-00175838 like eY0dg_tOU2o-00908-00175839-00176023 my god if people had actually just paid eY0dg_tOU2o-00909-00176024-00176199 attention to what he wrote 10 years ago eY0dg_tOU2o-00910-00176200-00176351 you'd be a billionaire right now right eY0dg_tOU2o-00911-00176352-00176511 because ultimately he's like eY0dg_tOU2o-00912-00176512-00176695 this thing's going to take over every eY0dg_tOU2o-00913-00176696-00176863 industry and you've got to be thinking eY0dg_tOU2o-00914-00176864-00176983 of every eY0dg_tOU2o-00915-00176984-00177295 problem as a software problem um and if eY0dg_tOU2o-00916-00177296-00177351 you're not eY0dg_tOU2o-00917-00177352-00177478 you're going to be you know you're going eY0dg_tOU2o-00918-00177479-00177735 to be roadkill right so so ultimately i eY0dg_tOU2o-00919-00177736-00177790 mean what eY0dg_tOU2o-00920-00177791-00178063 we we believe in that as well here at eY0dg_tOU2o-00921-00178064-00178263 databank that you know for us it's funny eY0dg_tOU2o-00922-00178264-00178343 how do you eY0dg_tOU2o-00923-00178344-00178519 how do you it's a data center how do you eY0dg_tOU2o-00924-00178520-00178687 make that a software problem well you eY0dg_tOU2o-00925-00178688-00178878 make it a software problem by eY0dg_tOU2o-00926-00178879-00179183 um analyzing every ex every interaction eY0dg_tOU2o-00927-00179184-00179335 that your customer has eY0dg_tOU2o-00928-00179336-00179614 with you as a company and as a building eY0dg_tOU2o-00929-00179615-00179790 and how can software enhance that eY0dg_tOU2o-00930-00179791-00179871 interaction eY0dg_tOU2o-00931-00179872-00180023 that's exactly how you make that a eY0dg_tOU2o-00932-00180024-00180199 software problem and i think that eY0dg_tOU2o-00933-00180200-00180359 requires people that eY0dg_tOU2o-00934-00180360-00180623 intuitively believe that um and that's eY0dg_tOU2o-00935-00180624-00180751 why you got to recruit eY0dg_tOU2o-00936-00180752-00181014 you know younger workers and maybe you eY0dg_tOU2o-00937-00181015-00181111 know you gotta eY0dg_tOU2o-00938-00181112-00181311 take someone that doesn't have the the eY0dg_tOU2o-00939-00181312-00181502 level of experience that eY0dg_tOU2o-00940-00181503-00181719 uh someone else has but has that eY0dg_tOU2o-00941-00181720-00181807 mentality eY0dg_tOU2o-00942-00181808-00182031 right and i think it's having a good eY0dg_tOU2o-00943-00182032-00182111 healthy mix eY0dg_tOU2o-00944-00182112-00182431 of of old and new is i think a great way eY0dg_tOU2o-00945-00182432-00182495 to go eY0dg_tOU2o-00946-00182496-00182743 and um you know they're out there right eY0dg_tOU2o-00947-00182744-00182951 i mean uh the universities are chumming eY0dg_tOU2o-00948-00182952-00183007 out eY0dg_tOU2o-00949-00183008-00183326 a lot of uh of you know computer science eY0dg_tOU2o-00950-00183327-00183366 uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00951-00183367-00183614 people and then obviously you know talk eY0dg_tOU2o-00952-00183615-00183695 about uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00953-00183696-00184063 a uh kind of egalitarian uh technology eY0dg_tOU2o-00954-00184064-00184231 right you learn how to be a software eY0dg_tOU2o-00955-00184232-00184326 programmer eY0dg_tOU2o-00956-00184327-00184495 you don't need to go to school right and eY0dg_tOU2o-00957-00184496-00184631 you can work anywhere eY0dg_tOU2o-00958-00184632-00184975 um so they're out there in droves and eY0dg_tOU2o-00959-00184976-00185119 looking for a mission eY0dg_tOU2o-00960-00185120-00185263 right and that's that's where that eY0dg_tOU2o-00961-00185264-00185438 culture piece comes in you got to eY0dg_tOU2o-00962-00185439-00185735 give them a mission to uh to conquer eY0dg_tOU2o-00963-00185736-00185799 yeah eY0dg_tOU2o-00964-00185800-00186166 i love it love it so uh just before we eY0dg_tOU2o-00965-00186167-00186375 close we like to do this rapid fire eY0dg_tOU2o-00966-00186376-00186559 section where we throw out eY0dg_tOU2o-00967-00186560-00186814 a phrase and we like to hear what's the eY0dg_tOU2o-00968-00186815-00186990 first thing that comes to your mind eY0dg_tOU2o-00969-00186991-00187263 so if you could have lunch with a famous eY0dg_tOU2o-00970-00187264-00187383 person in history eY0dg_tOU2o-00971-00187384-00187711 who would it be and why uh winston eY0dg_tOU2o-00972-00187712-00187838 churchill eY0dg_tOU2o-00973-00187839-00188214 um he my my middle son my my um eY0dg_tOU2o-00974-00188215-00188431 my second son is uh his middle name is eY0dg_tOU2o-00975-00188432-00188583 winston eY0dg_tOU2o-00976-00188584-00188775 and uh i just think that the guy was eY0dg_tOU2o-00977-00188776-00188959 brilliant right he was eY0dg_tOU2o-00978-00188960-00189254 he was incredible incredible command of eY0dg_tOU2o-00979-00189255-00189407 the english language eY0dg_tOU2o-00980-00189408-00189695 and an ability to express himself such eY0dg_tOU2o-00981-00189696-00189838 clear thinking eY0dg_tOU2o-00982-00189839-00190078 prolific book writer i mean just from a eY0dg_tOU2o-00983-00190079-00190287 historical perspective i think you know eY0dg_tOU2o-00984-00190288-00190543 hard to heart to beat in terms of of eY0dg_tOU2o-00985-00190544-00190614 impact eY0dg_tOU2o-00986-00190615-00190854 and uh intellect i think there'd be more eY0dg_tOU2o-00987-00190855-00190999 drinking than eating though that's just eY0dg_tOU2o-00988-00191000-00191071 my personality eY0dg_tOU2o-00989-00191072-00191471 i also like that piece too the fact that eY0dg_tOU2o-00990-00191472-00191750 cigars so he's able to do all that and eY0dg_tOU2o-00991-00191751-00191983 also have his uh his eY0dg_tOU2o-00992-00191984-00192343 fantastic and what is the most used app eY0dg_tOU2o-00993-00192344-00192495 on your phone eY0dg_tOU2o-00994-00192496-00192878 um we email of course but after that eY0dg_tOU2o-00995-00192879-00193231 um i'd say uh my news apps eY0dg_tOU2o-00996-00193232-00193495 uh and i read three or four of them so eY0dg_tOU2o-00997-00193496-00193559 uh eY0dg_tOU2o-00998-00193560-00193735 that's probably what i i know that is eY0dg_tOU2o-00999-00193736-00193871 because i looked at my screen time eY0dg_tOU2o-01000-00193872-00194054 that's where i spend most of my time eY0dg_tOU2o-01001-00194055-00194335 yeah they they remind you how how now eY0dg_tOU2o-01002-00194336-00194478 how you're using eY0dg_tOU2o-01003-00194479-00194663 your time and you're like oh that's eY0dg_tOU2o-01004-00194664-00194783 terrible eY0dg_tOU2o-01005-00194784-00194943 what did you say last time seven hours eY0dg_tOU2o-01006-00194944-00195135 to social evan eY0dg_tOU2o-01007-00195136-00195271 you don't want to know it's it's very eY0dg_tOU2o-01008-00195272-00195478 sad very sad eY0dg_tOU2o-01009-00195479-00195719 um and what is your favorite hobby or eY0dg_tOU2o-01010-00195720-00196014 pastime when you're able to break away eY0dg_tOU2o-01011-00196015-00196295 i love exercise and when it comes to eY0dg_tOU2o-01012-00196296-00196407 that i love skiing eY0dg_tOU2o-01013-00196408-00196711 so um that's uh uh something that eY0dg_tOU2o-01014-00196712-00196919 do with the family and uh obviously you eY0dg_tOU2o-01015-00196920-00197111 can't do it all the time but eY0dg_tOU2o-01016-00197112-00197302 um and it's harder now that i'm in eY0dg_tOU2o-01017-00197303-00197423 dallas but eY0dg_tOU2o-01018-00197424-00197726 that's uh my my day of fishing is is eY0dg_tOU2o-01019-00197727-00197887 being out on the slopes eY0dg_tOU2o-01020-00197888-00198031 well there aren't too many hills in in eY0dg_tOU2o-01021-00198032-00198214 dallas but come up to your new hampshire eY0dg_tOU2o-01022-00198215-00198287 and conway eY0dg_tOU2o-01023-00198288-00198454 you'll get some good skiing this winter eY0dg_tOU2o-01024-00198455-00198654 yep i i hear you i hear you eY0dg_tOU2o-01025-00198655-00198883 i've been up in that area a lot in eY0dg_tOU2o-01026-00198884-00199014 vermont eY0dg_tOU2o-01027-00199015-00199254 well thanks so much uh raul for joining eY0dg_tOU2o-01028-00199255-00199390 us and uh eY0dg_tOU2o-01029-00199391-00199623 while your enthusiasm and vision for the eY0dg_tOU2o-01030-00199624-00199799 industry is really infectious eY0dg_tOU2o-01031-00199800-00200143 and sometimes we we get lulled into eY0dg_tOU2o-01032-00200144-00200326 a sense that the data center industry eY0dg_tOU2o-01033-00200327-00200519 has kind of stayed and a little bit eY0dg_tOU2o-01034-00200520-00200814 old school but you really shook that up eY0dg_tOU2o-01035-00200815-00200911 so eY0dg_tOU2o-01036-00200912-00201207 uh we're excited to see uh you follow eY0dg_tOU2o-01037-00201208-00201311 your journey eY0dg_tOU2o-01038-00201312-00201495 yeah thanks evan i appreciate that and eY0dg_tOU2o-01039-00201496-00201631 yeah i mean if you're gonna eY0dg_tOU2o-01040-00201632-00201759 do something you got to do something eY0dg_tOU2o-01041-00201760-00201895 that you know you're passionate about eY0dg_tOU2o-01042-00201896-00202135 right makes the day go by faster eY0dg_tOU2o-01043-00202136-00202383 and agree more and don't lose faith i eY0dg_tOU2o-01044-00202384-00202550 wrote that down eY0dg_tOU2o-01045-00202551-00203038 folded it thank you so much raul eY0dg_tOU2o-01046-00203039-00203271 uh and uh for our listeners if you eY0dg_tOU2o-01047-00203272-00203350 enjoyed eY0dg_tOU2o-01048-00203351-00203614 uh tuning in today to data movers please eY0dg_tOU2o-01049-00203615-00203847 be sure to check out jsa.net eY0dg_tOU2o-01050-00203848-00204102 podcast for upcoming data movers 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this video remember to hit ee9jrR0nU9Y-00012-00002743-00002950 the thumbs up subscribe to the channel ee9jrR0nU9Y-00013-00002951-00002999 and click ee9jrR0nU9Y-00014-00003000-00003199 the little bell icon to make sure you ee9jrR0nU9Y-00015-00003200-00003519 don't miss any of our future videos ee9jrR0nU9Y-00016-00003520-00003727 frontier developments released a trading ee9jrR0nU9Y-00017-00003728-00003927 report to the stock market this week ee9jrR0nU9Y-00018-00003928-00004119 ahead of their full year results which ee9jrR0nU9Y-00019-00004120-00004263 are due this month ee9jrR0nU9Y-00020-00004264-00004479 the report contains general positive ee9jrR0nU9Y-00021-00004480-00004679 news about the company's position all ee9jrR0nU9Y-00022-00004680-00004735 over ee9jrR0nU9Y-00023-00004736-00004895 but there is a small paragraph ee9jrR0nU9Y-00024-00004896-00005102 referencing elite dangerous and the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00025-00005103-00005383 incoming odyssey expansion as well ee9jrR0nU9Y-00026-00005384-00005615 the text does use some rather odd ee9jrR0nU9Y-00027-00005616-00005815 phrasing mentioning as it does that the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00028-00005816-00005959 expansion will bring ee9jrR0nU9Y-00029-00005960-00006247 quote familiar face-to-face personal ee9jrR0nU9Y-00030-00006248-00006367 scale to players ee9jrR0nU9Y-00031-00006368-00006623 unquote we're guessing that what they're ee9jrR0nU9Y-00032-00006623-00006831 trying to reference in rather clunky ee9jrR0nU9Y-00033-00006831-00006934 terms there ee9jrR0nU9Y-00034-00006936-00007231 is first-person action rather than ee9jrR0nU9Y-00035-00007231-00007470 ship-to-ship action between players and ee9jrR0nU9Y-00036-00007472-00007767 npcs the most interesting phrase to us ee9jrR0nU9Y-00037-00007768-00007846 however ee9jrR0nU9Y-00038-00007847-00008023 was when the text went on to claim that ee9jrR0nU9Y-00039-00008023-00008167 the expansion will ee9jrR0nU9Y-00040-00008168-00008478 quote increase cooperative opportunities ee9jrR0nU9Y-00041-00008479-00008671 within the game ee9jrR0nU9Y-00042-00008672-00008846 there's no hint there as to how the game ee9jrR0nU9Y-00043-00008847-00009039 plans to implement those further ee9jrR0nU9Y-00044-00009040-00009191 cooperative opportunities ee9jrR0nU9Y-00045-00009192-00009495 but it is interesting in and of itself ee9jrR0nU9Y-00046-00009496-00009695 that frontier considers it an important ee9jrR0nU9Y-00047-00009696-00009887 enough feature of odyssey ee9jrR0nU9Y-00048-00009888-00010095 to go to the trouble of making specific ee9jrR0nU9Y-00049-00010096-00010367 mention of it in a stock market report ee9jrR0nU9Y-00050-00010368-00010583 if we were to speculate based on what we ee9jrR0nU9Y-00051-00010584-00010751 do know already ee9jrR0nU9Y-00052-00010752-00010983 it's possible it may be alluding to the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00053-00010984-00011055 combined ee9jrR0nU9Y-00054-00011056-00011359 arms sphere of combat gameplay ee9jrR0nU9Y-00055-00011360-00011574 that frontier have mentioned where ships ee9jrR0nU9Y-00056-00011575-00011678 srvs and ee9jrR0nU9Y-00057-00011679-00011991 fps commanders will converge whatever it ee9jrR0nU9Y-00058-00011992-00012174 is pointing at it's clear ee9jrR0nU9Y-00059-00012175-00012374 that frontier consider cooperative ee9jrR0nU9Y-00060-00012375-00012614 gameplay important to both the future of ee9jrR0nU9Y-00061-00012615-00012719 the game ee9jrR0nU9Y-00062-00012720-00013175 and odyssey interesting times ee9jrR0nU9Y-00063-00013176-00013471 the stalwart in universe print magazine ee9jrR0nU9Y-00064-00013472-00013575 sagittarius ee9jrR0nU9Y-00065-00013576-00013838 eye has been reporting and informing on ee9jrR0nU9Y-00066-00013840-00013919 the galaxy ee9jrR0nU9Y-00067-00013919-00014175 gameplay politics and tactics of elite ee9jrR0nU9Y-00068-00014176-00014255 dangerous ee9jrR0nU9Y-00069-00014256-00014599 since september of 2017. in the time ee9jrR0nU9Y-00070-00014600-00014799 since then whilst following the fortunes ee9jrR0nU9Y-00071-00014800-00014951 and favor of elite dangerous the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00072-00014952-00015199 formerly monthly magazine has evolved ee9jrR0nU9Y-00073-00015200-00015463 and adapted to its readership's demands ee9jrR0nU9Y-00074-00015463-00015630 launching a podcast version ee9jrR0nU9Y-00075-00015631-00015855 alongside the monthly journal as the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00076-00015856-00016055 demands of the readership of ebden ee9jrR0nU9Y-00077-00016056-00016286 flowed however the magazine and podcast ee9jrR0nU9Y-00078-00016287-00016550 eventually became a quarterly affair ee9jrR0nU9Y-00079-00016551-00016703 this month has seen the galaxy's ee9jrR0nU9Y-00080-00016704-00016967 flagship magazine evolve yet again ee9jrR0nU9Y-00081-00016968-00017230 dropping the undoubtedly huge production ee9jrR0nU9Y-00082-00017231-00017479 overheads for a print-based production ee9jrR0nU9Y-00083-00017480-00017758 in a changing community instead this ee9jrR0nU9Y-00084-00017759-00017814 time ee9jrR0nU9Y-00085-00017815-00018079 settling as a shorter tighter purely ee9jrR0nU9Y-00086-00018080-00018230 audio podcast ee9jrR0nU9Y-00087-00018231-00018447 while simultaneously returning to its ee9jrR0nU9Y-00088-00018448-00018758 roots in a monthly release format ee9jrR0nU9Y-00089-00018759-00018950 personally whilst i was always a fan of ee9jrR0nU9Y-00090-00018951-00019183 the printed magazine i rarely had time ee9jrR0nU9Y-00091-00019184-00019391 in my schedule to give it the attention ee9jrR0nU9Y-00092-00019392-00019622 that it's so richly deserved instead ee9jrR0nU9Y-00093-00019623-00019814 defaulting to listening to the podcast ee9jrR0nU9Y-00094-00019815-00020047 version and then only in hurriedly ee9jrR0nU9Y-00095-00020048-00020311 grabbed segments where time allowed ee9jrR0nU9Y-00096-00020312-00020591 the now shorter hour long audio version ee9jrR0nU9Y-00097-00020592-00020814 still comes with the same high writing ee9jrR0nU9Y-00098-00020815-00020886 standards ee9jrR0nU9Y-00099-00020887-00021119 professional production quality and what ee9jrR0nU9Y-00100-00021120-00021375 the spoons fantastic hitchhikers guide ee9jrR0nU9Y-00101-00021376-00021519 like narration between ee9jrR0nU9Y-00102-00021520-00021791 segments but it is now for my money at ee9jrR0nU9Y-00103-00021792-00021847 least ee9jrR0nU9Y-00104-00021848-00022071 much more convenient to digest in the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00105-00022072-00022199 middle of a busy day ee9jrR0nU9Y-00106-00022200-00022439 and i'm pleased to say presented more ee9jrR0nU9Y-00107-00022440-00022543 regularly back ee9jrR0nU9Y-00108-00022544-00022863 on its monthly schedule that has to be a ee9jrR0nU9Y-00109-00022864-00022903 win ee9jrR0nU9Y-00110-00022904-00023255 all round and finally canon ee9jrR0nU9Y-00111-00023256-00023478 interstellar research the galaxy's ee9jrR0nU9Y-00112-00023479-00023678 finest collection of mines ee9jrR0nU9Y-00113-00023679-00023886 has this week launched the canon ee9jrR0nU9Y-00114-00023887-00023999 challenge a ee9jrR0nU9Y-00115-00024000-00024311 galaxy spanning tour to end all tours ee9jrR0nU9Y-00116-00024312-00024391 that will ee9jrR0nU9Y-00117-00024392-00024630 for the moment at least take in all ee9jrR0nU9Y-00118-00024631-00024783 flavors of the sights ee9jrR0nU9Y-00119-00024784-00025030 sounds phenomena and life forms that the ee9jrR0nU9Y-00120-00025031-00025286 organization has ever documented ee9jrR0nU9Y-00121-00025287-00025494 if you wanted to see one of everything ee9jrR0nU9Y-00122-00025495-00025718 that elite dangerous has to offer ee9jrR0nU9Y-00123-00025719-00026062 in its scientific cupboard then this 500 ee9jrR0nU9Y-00124-00026063-00026351 000 light year round trip will serve it ee9jrR0nU9Y-00125-00026352-00026431 up for you ee9jrR0nU9Y-00126-00026432-00026631 if you bring the frameshift drive and ee9jrR0nU9Y-00127-00026632-00026823 have the internal fortitude ee9jrR0nU9Y-00128-00026824-00027087 to keep the space madness at bay should ee9jrR0nU9Y-00129-00027088-00027246 you choose to document the journey ee9jrR0nU9Y-00130-00027247-00027439 producing evidence of your grand ee9jrR0nU9Y-00131-00027439-00027639 tour to canon there could even be a ee9jrR0nU9Y-00132-00027639-00027774 prize in it for you ee9jrR0nU9Y-00133-00027775-00027943 you'll find a link in the description ee9jrR0nU9Y-00134-00027944-00028207 below to the tour on canon's website ee9jrR0nU9Y-00135-00028208-00028431 alongside links to everything else we've ee9jrR0nU9Y-00136-00028432-00028623 talked about this week ee9jrR0nU9Y-00137-00028624-00028790 that's it for now thanks very much for ee9jrR0nU9Y-00138-00028791-00028990 watching we'll be back later this week ee9jrR0nU9Y-00139-00028991-00029199 with more videos until then 07 ee9jrR0nU9Y-00140-00029200-00029279 commanders ee9jrR0nU9Y-00141-00029280-00029462 follow the greens on the way out and do ee9jrR0nU9Y-00142-00029463-00029631 keep clear of the toast rack ee9jrR0nU9Y-00143-00029632-00029783 we very much look forward to seeing you ee9jrR0nU9Y-00144-00029783-00031032 next time eeucfi88KuU-00000-00000038-00000401 thermal energy storage tes is achieved eeucfi88KuU-00001-00000401-00000640 with widely differing technologies eeucfi88KuU-00002-00000641-00000961 depending on the specific technology it eeucfi88KuU-00003-00000963-00001187 allows excess thermal energy to be eeucfi88KuU-00004-00001188-00001439 stored in used hours days or months eeucfi88KuU-00005-00001440-00001705 later at scales ranging from individual eeucfi88KuU-00006-00001707-00001988 process building multi-user Building eeucfi88KuU-00007-00001989-00002363 District town or region usage examples eeucfi88KuU-00008-00002364-00002617 are the balancing of energy demand eeucfi88KuU-00009-00002618-00002879 between daytime and nighttime storing eeucfi88KuU-00010-00002880-00003122 summer heat for winter heating or winter eeucfi88KuU-00011-00003123-00003288 cold for summer air conditioning eeucfi88KuU-00012-00003289-00003661 seasonal thermal energy storage storage eeucfi88KuU-00013-00003663-00003979 media include water or ice slush tanks eeucfi88KuU-00014-00003980-00004213 masses of native earth or bedrock eeucfi88KuU-00015-00004214-00004469 accessed with heat exchangers by means eeucfi88KuU-00016-00004470-00004720 of bore holes deep aquifers contained eeucfi88KuU-00017-00004721-00005000 between impermeable strata shallow line eeucfi88KuU-00018-00005001-00005234 pits filled with gravel and water and eeucfi88KuU-00019-00005235-00005506 insulated at the top as well as eutectic eeucfi88KuU-00020-00005507-00005750 solutions and phase change materials eeucfi88KuU-00021-00005751-00005986 other sources of thermal energy for eeucfi88KuU-00022-00005987-00006229 storage include heat or cold produced eeucfi88KuU-00023-00006230-00006488 with heat pumps from off-peak lower cost eeucfi88KuU-00024-00006489-00006742 electric power a practice called peak eeucfi88KuU-00025-00006743-00006946 shaving heat from combined heat and eeucfi88KuU-00026-00006947-00007309 power CHP power plants heat produced by eeucfi88KuU-00027-00007311-00007573 renewable electrical energy that exceeds eeucfi88KuU-00028-00007575-00007763 grid demand and waste heat from eeucfi88KuU-00029-00007764-00008114 industrial processes heat storage both eeucfi88KuU-00030-00008115-00008378 seasonal and short-term is considered an eeucfi88KuU-00031-00008379-00008609 important means for cheaply balancing eeucfi88KuU-00032-00008610-00008816 high shares of variable renewable eeucfi88KuU-00033-00008817-00009053 electricity production and integration eeucfi88KuU-00034-00009054-00009284 of electricity and heating sectors in eeucfi88KuU-00035-00009285-00009563 energy systems almost or completely fed eeucfi88KuU-00036-00009564-00010233 by renewable energy eeucfi88KuU-00037-00010234-00010867 topic solar energy storage eeucfi88KuU-00038-00010868-00011149 most practical active solar heating eeucfi88KuU-00039-00011150-00011392 systems provide storage from a few hours eeucfi88KuU-00040-00011393-00011659 to a day's worth of energy collected eeucfi88KuU-00041-00011660-00011924 however there are a growing number of eeucfi88KuU-00042-00011925-00012155 facilities that use seasonal thermal eeucfi88KuU-00043-00012156-00012476 energy storage ste s enabling solar eeucfi88KuU-00044-00012477-00012721 energy to be stored in summer for space eeucfi88KuU-00045-00012722-00013003 heating use during winter the Drake eeucfi88KuU-00046-00013004-00013232 landing solar community in Alberta eeucfi88KuU-00047-00013233-00013628 Canada has now achieved a year-round 97% eeucfi88KuU-00048-00013629-00013880 solar heating fraction a world record eeucfi88KuU-00049-00013881-00014180 made possible only by incorporating ste eeucfi88KuU-00050-00014181-00014413 s the use of both latent heat and eeucfi88KuU-00051-00014415-00014638 sensible heat are also possible with eeucfi88KuU-00052-00014640-00014902 high temperature solar thermal input eeucfi88KuU-00053-00014903-00015233 various eutectic mixtures of metals such eeucfi88KuU-00054-00015234-00015463 as aluminium and silicon aluminium eeucfi88KuU-00055-00015463-00015746 silicide offer a high melting point eeucfi88KuU-00056-00015747-00015958 suited to efficient steam generation eeucfi88KuU-00057-00015959-00016172 while high alumina cement based eeucfi88KuU-00058-00016172-00016397 materials offer good thermal storage eeucfi88KuU-00059-00016398-00017029 capabilities eeucfi88KuU-00060-00017030-00017700 topic molten salt technology eeucfi88KuU-00061-00017701-00017986 sensible heat of molten salt is also eeucfi88KuU-00062-00017987-00018235 used for storing solar energy at a high eeucfi88KuU-00063-00018236-00018577 temperature molten salts can be employed eeucfi88KuU-00064-00018578-00018817 as a thermal energy storage method to eeucfi88KuU-00065-00018818-00019158 retain thermal energy presently this is eeucfi88KuU-00066-00019159-00019405 a commercially used technology to store eeucfi88KuU-00067-00019406-00019656 the heat collected by concentrated solar eeucfi88KuU-00068-00019657-00019783 power eg eeucfi88KuU-00069-00019784-00020128 from a solar tower or solar trough the eeucfi88KuU-00070-00020129-00020308 heat can later be converted into eeucfi88KuU-00071-00020309-00020572 superheated steam to power conventional eeucfi88KuU-00072-00020573-00020767 steam turbines and generate electricity eeucfi88KuU-00073-00020768-00021124 and bad weather or at night it was eeucfi88KuU-00074-00021125-00021372 demonstrated in the Solar to project eeucfi88KuU-00075-00021373-00021936 from 1995 to 1999 estimates in 2006 eeucfi88KuU-00076-00021937-00022216 predicted an annual efficiency of 99 eeucfi88KuU-00077-00022217-00022431 percent a reference to the energy eeucfi88KuU-00078-00022432-00022669 retained by storing heat before turning eeucfi88KuU-00079-00022670-00022903 it into electricity versus converting eeucfi88KuU-00080-00022904-00023144 heat directly into electricity eeucfi88KuU-00081-00023145-00023400 various eutectic mixtures of different eeucfi88KuU-00082-00023401-00023728 salts are used eg sodium nitrate eeucfi88KuU-00083-00023729-00024075 potassium nitrate and calcium nitrate eeucfi88KuU-00084-00024076-00024364 experienced with such systems exists in eeucfi88KuU-00085-00024365-00024619 non solar applications in the chemical eeucfi88KuU-00086-00024620-00024796 and metals industries as a heat eeucfi88KuU-00087-00024797-00025240 transport fluid the salt melts at 131 eeucfi88KuU-00088-00025241-00025612 degrees Celsius 268 degrees Fahrenheit eeucfi88KuU-00089-00025613-00026081 it is kept liquid at 288 degrees Celsius eeucfi88KuU-00090-00026082-00026395 550 degrees Fahrenheit in an insulated eeucfi88KuU-00091-00026395-00026796 cold storage tank the liquid salt is eeucfi88KuU-00092-00026797-00026970 pumped through panels in a solar eeucfi88KuU-00093-00026972-00027220 collector where the focused Sun heats it eeucfi88KuU-00094-00027220-00027670 to 566 degrees Celsius 1000 51 degrees eeucfi88KuU-00095-00027670-00027990 Fahrenheit it is then sent to a hot eeucfi88KuU-00096-00027991-00028293 storage tank with proper insulation of eeucfi88KuU-00097-00028294-00028477 the tank the thermal energy can be eeucfi88KuU-00098-00028477-00028789 usefully stored for up to a week when eeucfi88KuU-00099-00028789-00029014 electricity is needed the hot molten eeucfi88KuU-00100-00029014-00029265 salt is pumped to a conventional steam eeucfi88KuU-00101-00029266-00029524 generator to produce superheated steam eeucfi88KuU-00102-00029525-00029737 for driving a conventional turbine eeucfi88KuU-00103-00029738-00030007 generator set as used in any coal or oil eeucfi88KuU-00104-00030008-00030408 or nuclear power plant a 100 megawatt eeucfi88KuU-00105-00030409-00030643 turbine would need a tank of about nine eeucfi88KuU-00106-00030644-00030973 point one meters 30 feet tall and 24 eeucfi88KuU-00107-00030974-00031071 meters seven eeucfi88KuU-00108-00031072-00031342 9 feet in diameter to drive it for 4 eeucfi88KuU-00109-00031343-00031704 hours by this design single tank with eeucfi88KuU-00110-00031705-00031932 divider plate to hold both cold and hot eeucfi88KuU-00111-00031933-00032271 molten salt is under development it is eeucfi88KuU-00112-00032272-00032589 more economical by achieving 100 percent eeucfi88KuU-00113-00032590-00032848 more heat storage per unit volume over eeucfi88KuU-00114-00032849-00033082 the dual tank system as the molten salt eeucfi88KuU-00115-00033083-00033315 storage tank is costly due to its eeucfi88KuU-00116-00033316-00033630 complicated construction phase change eeucfi88KuU-00117-00033631-00033976 material PCMs are also used in molten eeucfi88KuU-00118-00033977-00034254 salt energy storage several parabolic eeucfi88KuU-00119-00034255-00034614 trough power plants in Spain and solar eeucfi88KuU-00120-00034615-00034882 power tower developer solar reserve used eeucfi88KuU-00121-00034883-00035208 this thermal energy storage concept the eeucfi88KuU-00122-00035209-00035463 Solana Generating Station in the u.s. eeucfi88KuU-00123-00035464-00035721 can store six hours worth of generating eeucfi88KuU-00124-00035722-00036036 capacity in molten salt during the eeucfi88KuU-00125-00036037-00036324 summer of 2013 the Gemma solar thermos eeucfi88KuU-00126-00036325-00036573 solar solar power tower molten salt eeucfi88KuU-00127-00036574-00036804 plant in Spain achieved a first by eeucfi88KuU-00128-00036805-00037104 continuously producing electricity 24 eeucfi88KuU-00129-00037105-00037858 hours per day for 36 days eeucfi88KuU-00130-00037859-00038197 topic heat storage in tanks or rock eeucfi88KuU-00131-00038198-00038620 caverns eeucfi88KuU-00132-00038621-00038896 a steam accumulator consists of an eeucfi88KuU-00133-00038897-00039142 insulated steel pressure tank containing eeucfi88KuU-00134-00039143-00039474 hot water and steam under pressure as a eeucfi88KuU-00135-00039475-00039730 heat storage device it is used to eeucfi88KuU-00136-00039731-00039973 mediate heat production by a variable or eeucfi88KuU-00137-00039974-00040215 steady source from a variable demand for eeucfi88KuU-00138-00040216-00040549 heat steam accumulators may take on the eeucfi88KuU-00139-00040550-00040801 significance for energy storage in solar eeucfi88KuU-00140-00040802-00041215 thermal energy projects large stores are eeucfi88KuU-00141-00041216-00041482 widely used in Scandinavia to store heat eeucfi88KuU-00142-00041483-00041721 for several days to decouple heat and eeucfi88KuU-00143-00041722-00041932 power production and to help meet peak eeucfi88KuU-00144-00041933-00042240 demands inter seasonal storage in eeucfi88KuU-00145-00042241-00042457 caverns has been investigated and eeucfi88KuU-00146-00042458-00042673 appears to be economical and plays a eeucfi88KuU-00147-00042674-00042983 significant role in heating in Finland eeucfi88KuU-00148-00042984-00043308 Pelin estimates eleven point six eeucfi88KuU-00149-00043309-00043630 gigawatt hours capacity and 120 eeucfi88KuU-00150-00043631-00043948 megawatts thermal output for its 260 eeucfi88KuU-00151-00043949-00044185 thousand cubic meters water cistern eeucfi88KuU-00152-00044186-00044412 under moose Tacoma fully charged or eeucfi88KuU-00153-00044413-00044655 discharged in four days at capacity eeucfi88KuU-00154-00044656-00045004 operating from 2021 to offset days of eeucfi88KuU-00155-00045005-00045271 peak production demand while the 300 eeucfi88KuU-00156-00045272-00045556 thousand cubic meters rock caverns 50 eeucfi88KuU-00157-00045557-00045768 metres under sea level in Crewe a new eeucfi88KuU-00158-00045769-00045970 view or in Ranta near Lodge Asolo eeucfi88KuU-00159-00045971-00046270 were designated in 2018 to store heat in eeucfi88KuU-00160-00046271-00046521 summer from warm seawater and release it eeucfi88KuU-00161-00046522-00047209 in winter for district heating eeucfi88KuU-00162-00047210-00047623 topic heat storage in hot rocks concrete eeucfi88KuU-00163-00047624-00047902 pebbles etc eeucfi88KuU-00164-00047903-00048111 you eeucfi88KuU-00165-00048112-00048339 water has one of the highest thermal eeucfi88KuU-00166-00048340-00048822 capacities heat capacity 4.2 J cm3 K eeucfi88KuU-00167-00048823-00049077 whereas concrete has about one third of eeucfi88KuU-00168-00049078-00049386 that on the other hand concrete can be eeucfi88KuU-00169-00049387-00049734 heated to much higher temperatures 1200 eeucfi88KuU-00170-00049735-00050018 degrees Celsius by eg electrical heating eeucfi88KuU-00171-00050019-00050259 and therefore has a much higher overall eeucfi88KuU-00172-00050260-00050625 volumetric capacity thus in the example eeucfi88KuU-00173-00050626-00050937 below an insulated cube of about 2.8 eeucfi88KuU-00174-00050938-00051102 meters would appear to provide eeucfi88KuU-00175-00051103-00051354 sufficient storage for a single house to eeucfi88KuU-00176-00051354-00051711 meet 50% of heating demand this could in eeucfi88KuU-00177-00051712-00051989 principle be used to store surplus wind eeucfi88KuU-00178-00051990-00052205 or PV heat due to the ability of eeucfi88KuU-00179-00052207-00052386 electrical heating to reach high eeucfi88KuU-00180-00052387-00052674 temperatures at the neighborhood level eeucfi88KuU-00181-00052675-00052953 the Wigan housing sud solar development eeucfi88KuU-00182-00052954-00053136 at Friedrichshafen has received eeucfi88KuU-00183-00053137-00053455 international attention this features a eeucfi88KuU-00184-00053457-00053867 12,000 cubic meters 420 thousand cubic eeucfi88KuU-00185-00053869-00054126 feet reinforced concrete Thermal store eeucfi88KuU-00186-00054127-00054566 linked to 4,300 square meters 46,000 eeucfi88KuU-00187-00054567-00054801 square feet of solar collectors which eeucfi88KuU-00188-00054802-00055112 will supply the 570 houses with around eeucfi88KuU-00189-00055113-00055412 50% of their heating and hot water eeucfi88KuU-00190-00055413-00055740 siemens builds a 36 megawatt hours eeucfi88KuU-00191-00055741-00056016 thermal storage near Hamburg with 600 eeucfi88KuU-00192-00056016-00056259 degrees Celsius basalt and one point eeucfi88KuU-00193-00056260-00056622 five megawatts Electric output a similar eeucfi88KuU-00194-00056623-00056889 system is scheduled for Saro Denmark eeucfi88KuU-00195-00056890-00057240 with 41 to 58 percent of the stored 18 eeucfi88KuU-00196-00057241-00057465 megawatt hours heat returned for the eeucfi88KuU-00197-00057466-00057789 town's district heating and 32 41% eeucfi88KuU-00198-00057790-00058467 returned as electricity eeucfi88KuU-00199-00058469-00058890 topic miscibility gap alloy mga eeucfi88KuU-00200-00058891-00059146 technology eeucfi88KuU-00201-00059147-00059354 you eeucfi88KuU-00202-00059354-00059672 miscibility gap alloys rely on the phase eeucfi88KuU-00203-00059673-00059960 change of a metallic material see latent eeucfi88KuU-00204-00059961-00060209 heat to store thermal energy rather than eeucfi88KuU-00205-00060210-00060446 pumping the liquid metal between tanks eeucfi88KuU-00206-00060447-00060691 as in a molten salt system the metal is eeucfi88KuU-00207-00060692-00060914 encapsulated in another metallic eeucfi88KuU-00208-00060915-00061133 material that it cannot alloy with eeucfi88KuU-00209-00061134-00061328 immiscible depending on the two eeucfi88KuU-00210-00061329-00061562 materials selected the phase changing eeucfi88KuU-00211-00061563-00061823 material and the encapsulating material eeucfi88KuU-00212-00061824-00062177 storage densities can be between 0.2 and eeucfi88KuU-00213-00062178-00062542 2 mega joules per liter a working fluid eeucfi88KuU-00214-00062544-00062810 typically water or steam is used to eeucfi88KuU-00215-00062811-00063059 transfer the heat into and out of the mg eeucfi88KuU-00216-00063060-00063485 a thermal conductivity of MGAs is often eeucfi88KuU-00217-00063486-00063809 higher up to 400 with M K than competing eeucfi88KuU-00218-00063810-00064100 technologies which means quicker charge eeucfi88KuU-00219-00064101-00064541 and discharge of the thermal storage is eeucfi88KuU-00220-00064541-00064838 possible the technology has not yet been eeucfi88KuU-00221-00064839-00065509 implemented on a large scale eeucfi88KuU-00222-00065510-00066202 topic electric thermal storage heaters eeucfi88KuU-00223-00066203-00066442 storage heaters are commonplace in eeucfi88KuU-00224-00066443-00066714 European homes with time-of-use metering eeucfi88KuU-00225-00066715-00066916 traditionally using cheaper electricity eeucfi88KuU-00226-00066917-00067243 at nighttime they consist of eeucfi88KuU-00227-00067244-00067501 high-density ceramic bricks or feel like eeucfi88KuU-00228-00067502-00067735 blocks heated to a high temperature with eeucfi88KuU-00229-00067736-00067975 electricity and may or may not have good eeucfi88KuU-00230-00067976-00068209 insulation and controls to release heat eeucfi88KuU-00231-00068210-00068873 over a number of hours eeucfi88KuU-00232-00068874-00069317 topic ice-based technology eeucfi88KuU-00233-00069318-00069507 you eeucfi88KuU-00234-00069508-00069765 several applications are being developed eeucfi88KuU-00235-00069766-00069972 where ice is produced during off-peak eeucfi88KuU-00236-00069973-00070221 periods and used for cooling at later eeucfi88KuU-00237-00070222-00070578 time for example air-conditioning can be eeucfi88KuU-00238-00070579-00070818 provided more economically by using eeucfi88KuU-00239-00070819-00071055 low-cost electricity at night to freeze eeucfi88KuU-00240-00071056-00071304 water into ice then using the cooling eeucfi88KuU-00241-00071305-00071538 capacity of ice in the afternoon to eeucfi88KuU-00242-00071539-00071753 reduce the electricity needed to handle eeucfi88KuU-00243-00071754-00072093 air-conditioning demands thermal energy eeucfi88KuU-00244-00072094-00072350 storage using ice makes use of the large eeucfi88KuU-00245-00072351-00072696 heat of fusion of water historically ice eeucfi88KuU-00246-00072697-00072948 was transported from mountains to cities eeucfi88KuU-00247-00072949-00073269 for use as a coolant one metric ton of eeucfi88KuU-00248-00073270-00073622 water equals one cubic metre can store eeucfi88KuU-00249-00073623-00074132 334 million joules MJ or 317 thousand eeucfi88KuU-00250-00074133-00074586 BTUs 93 kilo watt hours a relatively eeucfi88KuU-00251-00074587-00074825 small storage facility can hold enough eeucfi88KuU-00252-00074826-00075069 ice to cool a large building for a day eeucfi88KuU-00253-00075070-00075405 or a week in addition to using ice eeucfi88KuU-00254-00075406-00075693 indirect cooling applications it is also eeucfi88KuU-00255-00075694-00075924 being used in heat pump based heating eeucfi88KuU-00256-00075925-00076260 systems in these applications the phase eeucfi88KuU-00257-00076261-00076455 change energy provides a very eeucfi88KuU-00258-00076456-00076704 significant layer of thermal capacity eeucfi88KuU-00259-00076705-00076872 that is near the bottom range of eeucfi88KuU-00260-00076873-00077109 temperature that water source heat pumps eeucfi88KuU-00261-00077110-00077415 can operate in this allows the system to eeucfi88KuU-00262-00077416-00077601 ride out the heaviest heating load eeucfi88KuU-00263-00077602-00077850 conditions and extends the timeframe by eeucfi88KuU-00264-00077851-00078054 which the source energy elements can eeucfi88KuU-00265-00078055-00078784 contribute heat back into the system eeucfi88KuU-00266-00078785-00079465 topic cryogenic energy storage eeucfi88KuU-00267-00079466-00079726 this uses liquification of air or eeucfi88KuU-00268-00079727-00080000 nitrogen as an energy store eeucfi88KuU-00269-00080001-00080294 a pilot cryogenic energy system that eeucfi88KuU-00270-00080295-00080571 uses liquid air as the energy store and eeucfi88KuU-00271-00080572-00080774 low-grade waste heat to drive the eeucfi88KuU-00272-00080775-00081021 thermal reexpansion of the air has been eeucfi88KuU-00273-00081022-00081257 operating at a power station in slough eeucfi88KuU-00274-00081258-00081977 UK since 2010 eeucfi88KuU-00275-00081978-00082655 topic hot silicon technology eeucfi88KuU-00276-00082656-00082955 solid or molten silicon offers much eeucfi88KuU-00277-00082956-00083194 higher storage temperatures than salts eeucfi88KuU-00278-00083195-00083429 with consequent greater capacity and eeucfi88KuU-00279-00083430-00083741 efficiency it is being researched as a eeucfi88KuU-00280-00083742-00083990 possible more energy efficient storage eeucfi88KuU-00281-00083991-00084373 technology silicon is able to store more eeucfi88KuU-00282-00084374-00084619 than one megawatt hour of energy per eeucfi88KuU-00283-00084620-00084992 cubic meter at 1,400 degrees Celsius eeucfi88KuU-00284-00084993-00085292 molten silicon thermal energy storage is eeucfi88KuU-00285-00085293-00085551 being developed by Australian company eeucfi88KuU-00286-00085552-00085873 1414 degrees as a more energy efficient eeucfi88KuU-00287-00085874-00086101 storage technology with a combined heat eeucfi88KuU-00288-00086102-00086204 and power eeucfi88KuU-00289-00086205-00086878 CHP output eeucfi88KuU-00290-00086879-00087564 Topic pumped heat electricity storage eeucfi88KuU-00291-00087565-00087926 in pumped heat electricity storage pH es eeucfi88KuU-00292-00087927-00088206 a reversible heat pump system is used to eeucfi88KuU-00293-00088207-00088431 store energy as a temperature difference eeucfi88KuU-00294-00088432-00089090 between two heat stores eeucfi88KuU-00295-00089091-00089478 topic isentropic eeucfi88KuU-00296-00089479-00089632 you eeucfi88KuU-00297-00089633-00089905 one system which was being developed by eeucfi88KuU-00298-00089906-00090196 the now bankrupt UK company isentropic eeucfi88KuU-00299-00090197-00090541 operates as follows it comprises two eeucfi88KuU-00300-00090542-00090784 insulated containers filled with crushed eeucfi88KuU-00301-00090785-00091048 rock or gravel a hot vessel storing eeucfi88KuU-00302-00091049-00091270 thermal energy at high temperature and eeucfi88KuU-00303-00091271-00091525 high pressure and a cold vessel storing eeucfi88KuU-00304-00091526-00091732 thermal energy at low temperature and eeucfi88KuU-00305-00091733-00092047 low pressure the vessels are connected eeucfi88KuU-00306-00092048-00092269 at top and bottom by pipes and the whole eeucfi88KuU-00307-00092270-00092473 system is filled with the inert gas eeucfi88KuU-00308-00092474-00092630 argon eeucfi88KuU-00309-00092631-00092875 during the charging cycle the system eeucfi88KuU-00310-00092876-00093118 uses off-peak electricity to work as a eeucfi88KuU-00311-00093119-00093467 heat pump argon at ambient temperature eeucfi88KuU-00312-00093468-00093661 and pressure from the top of the cold eeucfi88KuU-00313-00093662-00093925 store is compressed adiabatically to a eeucfi88KuU-00314-00093926-00094196 pressure of 12 bars heating it to around eeucfi88KuU-00315-00094197-00094513 500 degrees Celsius 900 degrees eeucfi88KuU-00316-00094514-00094804 Fahrenheit the compressed gas is eeucfi88KuU-00317-00094805-00095032 transferred to the top of the hot vessel eeucfi88KuU-00318-00095033-00095212 where it percolates down through the eeucfi88KuU-00319-00095213-00095431 gravel transferring its heat to the rock eeucfi88KuU-00320-00095432-00095743 and cooling to ambient temperature the eeucfi88KuU-00321-00095744-00095980 cooled but still pressurized gas eeucfi88KuU-00322-00095981-00096203 emerging at the bottom of the vessel is eeucfi88KuU-00323-00096204-00096473 then expanded again adiabatically back eeucfi88KuU-00324-00096474-00096682 down to one bar which lowers its eeucfi88KuU-00325-00096683-00097029 temperature to minus 150 degrees Celsius eeucfi88KuU-00326-00097030-00097336 the cold gas has then passed up through eeucfi88KuU-00327-00097337-00097547 the cold vessel where it cools the rock eeucfi88KuU-00328-00097548-00097726 while being warmed back to its initial eeucfi88KuU-00329-00097727-00098092 condition the energy is recovered as eeucfi88KuU-00330-00098093-00098384 electricity by reversing the cycle the eeucfi88KuU-00331-00098385-00098648 hot gas from the hot vessel is expanded eeucfi88KuU-00332-00098649-00098863 to drive a generator and then supplied eeucfi88KuU-00333-00098864-00099142 to the cold store the cooled gas eeucfi88KuU-00334-00099143-00099343 retrieved from the bottom of the cold eeucfi88KuU-00335-00099344-00099574 store as compressed which heats the gas eeucfi88KuU-00336-00099575-00099913 to ambient temperature the gas is then eeucfi88KuU-00337-00099914-00100097 transferred to the bottom of the hot eeucfi88KuU-00338-00100098-00100438 vessel to be reheated the compression eeucfi88KuU-00339-00100439-00100691 and expansion processes are provided by eeucfi88KuU-00340-00100692-00100906 a specially designed reciprocating eeucfi88KuU-00341-00100907-00101257 machine using sliding valves surplus eeucfi88KuU-00342-00101258-00101516 heat generated by inefficiencies in the eeucfi88KuU-00343-00101517-00101723 process is shed to the environment eeucfi88KuU-00344-00101724-00101905 through heat exchangers during the eeucfi88KuU-00345-00101906-00102154 discharging cycle the developer claims eeucfi88KuU-00346-00102155-00102478 that a round trip efficiency of 72 to 80 eeucfi88KuU-00347-00102479-00102793 percent is achievable this compares to eeucfi88KuU-00348-00102794-00103049 greater than 80 percent achievable with eeucfi88KuU-00349-00103050-00103285 pumped hydro energy storage another eeucfi88KuU-00350-00103286-00103574 proposed system uses turbo machinery and eeucfi88KuU-00351-00103575-00103802 is capable of operating at much higher eeucfi88KuU-00352-00103803-00104110 power levels use of phase change eeucfi88KuU-00353-00104111-00104455 material PCMs as heat storage material eeucfi88KuU-00354-00104456-00104740 would enhance the performance further eeucfi88KuU-00355-00104741-00105179 you eeucfi88KuU-00356-00105180-00105526 topic endothermic exothermic chemical eeucfi88KuU-00357-00105527-00106336 reactions eeucfi88KuU-00358-00106338-00106835 topic salt hydrate technology eeucfi88KuU-00359-00106836-00106992 you eeucfi88KuU-00360-00106993-00107283 one example of an experimental storage eeucfi88KuU-00361-00107283-00107556 system based on chemical reaction energy eeucfi88KuU-00362-00107557-00107874 as the salt hydrate technology the eeucfi88KuU-00363-00107875-00108153 system uses the reaction energy created eeucfi88KuU-00364-00108154-00108501 when salts are hydrated or dehydrated it eeucfi88KuU-00365-00108502-00108723 works by storing heat in a container eeucfi88KuU-00366-00108724-00109082 containing 50% sodium hydroxide NaOH eeucfi88KuU-00367-00109083-00109515 solution heat AG from using a solar eeucfi88KuU-00368-00109516-00109764 collector is stored by evaporating the eeucfi88KuU-00369-00109765-00110079 water in an endothermic reaction when eeucfi88KuU-00370-00110080-00110343 water is added again heat is released in eeucfi88KuU-00371-00110344-00110604 an exothermic reaction at 50 degrees eeucfi88KuU-00372-00110605-00111027 Celsius 120 degrees Fahrenheit current eeucfi88KuU-00373-00111028-00111399 systems operate at 60% efficiency the eeucfi88KuU-00374-00111400-00111654 system is especially advantageous for eeucfi88KuU-00375-00111655-00111903 seasonal thermal energy storage because eeucfi88KuU-00376-00111904-00112080 the dried salt can be stored at room eeucfi88KuU-00377-00112081-00112323 temperature for prolonged times without eeucfi88KuU-00378-00112324-00112638 energy loss the containers with the eeucfi88KuU-00379-00112639-00112908 dehydrated salt can even be transported eeucfi88KuU-00380-00112908-00113217 to a different location the system has a eeucfi88KuU-00381-00113218-00113463 higher energy density than heat stored eeucfi88KuU-00382-00113464-00113711 in water and the capacity of the system eeucfi88KuU-00383-00113713-00113925 can be designed to store energy from a eeucfi88KuU-00384-00113926-00114213 few months to years in 2013 the Dutch eeucfi88KuU-00385-00114214-00114516 technology developer tno presented the eeucfi88KuU-00386-00114517-00114734 results of the merits project to store eeucfi88KuU-00387-00114735-00115047 heat in a salt container the heat which eeucfi88KuU-00388-00115048-00115281 can be derived from a solar collector on eeucfi88KuU-00389-00115282-00115548 a rooftop expels the water contained in eeucfi88KuU-00390-00115549-00115851 the salt when the water is added again eeucfi88KuU-00391-00115852-00116073 the heat is released with almost no eeucfi88KuU-00392-00116074-00116394 energy losses a container with a few eeucfi88KuU-00393-00116395-00116628 cubic meters of salt could store enough eeucfi88KuU-00394-00116629-00116841 of this thermo chemical energy to heat a eeucfi88KuU-00395-00116842-00117096 house throughout the winter in a eeucfi88KuU-00396-00117097-00117273 temperate climate like that of the eeucfi88KuU-00397-00117274-00117492 Netherlands an average low energy eeucfi88KuU-00398-00117493-00117846 household requires about 6.7 Giga joules eeucfi88KuU-00399-00117847-00118194 winter to store this energy in water at eeucfi88KuU-00400-00118195-00118401 a temperature difference of 70 degrees eeucfi88KuU-00401-00118402-00118791 Celsius 23 cubic meters insulated water eeucfi88KuU-00402-00118792-00119009 storage would be needed exceeding the eeucfi88KuU-00403-00119010-00119282 storage abilities of most households eeucfi88KuU-00404-00119283-00119585 using salt hydrate technology with a eeucfi88KuU-00405-00119586-00119861 storage density of about 1 Giga Joule eeucfi88KuU-00406-00119863-00120150 per cubic meter 4 to 8 cubic meters eeucfi88KuU-00407-00120151-00120329 could be sufficient as of eeucfi88KuU-00408-00120330-00120594 sixteen researchers in several countries eeucfi88KuU-00409-00120595-00120854 are conducting experiments to determine eeucfi88KuU-00410-00120855-00121121 the best type of salt or salt mixture eeucfi88KuU-00411-00121122-00121419 low pressure within the container seems eeucfi88KuU-00412-00121420-00121660 favorable for the energy transport eeucfi88KuU-00413-00121661-00121961 especially promising are organic salts eeucfi88KuU-00414-00121962-00122264 so-called ionic liquids compared to eeucfi88KuU-00415-00122265-00122489 lithium halide based sorbents they are eeucfi88KuU-00416-00122490-00122738 less problematic in terms of limited eeucfi88KuU-00417-00122739-00122978 global resources and compared to most eeucfi88KuU-00418-00122979-00123345 other halides in sodium hydroxide naoh eeucfi88KuU-00419-00123346-00123536 they are less corrosive and not eeucfi88KuU-00420-00123537-00123760 negatively affected by co2 eeucfi88KuU-00421-00123761-00124372 contaminations eeucfi88KuU-00422-00124373-00124761 topic molecular bonds eeucfi88KuU-00423-00124763-00124970 you eeucfi88KuU-00424-00124971-00125236 storing energy in molecular bonds is eeucfi88KuU-00425-00125238-00125516 being investigated energy densities eeucfi88KuU-00426-00125517-00125771 equivalent to lithium-ion batteries have eeucfi88KuU-00427-00125772-00126361 been achieved equals equals see also eheCK_ajVdk-00000-00000138-00000733 foreign eheCK_ajVdk-00001-00000734-00001025 we explored the astonishing discovery eheCK_ajVdk-00002-00001026-00001273 recently made upon the Giza Plateau eheCK_ajVdk-00003-00001274-00001601 hidden in plain sight another Great eheCK_ajVdk-00004-00001602-00001925 Sphinx however this doppelganger of the eheCK_ajVdk-00005-00001926-00002195 better known long-claimed Soul guardian eheCK_ajVdk-00006-00002196-00002399 of the Great Pyramids seemingly eheCK_ajVdk-00007-00002400-00002663 possesses a greater level of undiluted eheCK_ajVdk-00008-00002664-00002945 erosion indicative of both sculptures eheCK_ajVdk-00009-00002946-00003269 tremendous age the questions are however eheCK_ajVdk-00010-00003270-00003599 just how great is their age how long eheCK_ajVdk-00011-00003600-00003809 have the Sphinx or indeed the Great eheCK_ajVdk-00012-00003810-00004033 Pyramids been here on our planet eheCK_ajVdk-00013-00004034-00004313 furthermore the tremendous levels of eheCK_ajVdk-00014-00004314-00004554 erosion seen on the pyramids themselves eheCK_ajVdk-00015-00004555-00004865 not only do the pyramids display a level eheCK_ajVdk-00016-00004866-00005159 of erosion indicative of a prehistoric eheCK_ajVdk-00017-00005160-00005381 timeline but they have seen many eheCK_ajVdk-00018-00005382-00005627 additional efforts by a number of now eheCK_ajVdk-00019-00005628-00005945 lost civilizations each far more capable eheCK_ajVdk-00020-00005946-00006197 in regards to stonework than the Modern eheCK_ajVdk-00021-00006198-00006550 Man created a number of layers of far eheCK_ajVdk-00022-00006551-00006827 less eroded pacing Stones each eheCK_ajVdk-00023-00006828-00007091 displaying of varying age this evidence eheCK_ajVdk-00024-00007092-00007325 indicative of several attempts at eheCK_ajVdk-00025-00007326-00007456 conservation eheCK_ajVdk-00026-00007458-00007691 these factors all but support the eheCK_ajVdk-00027-00007692-00007919 following posit made by a number of eheCK_ajVdk-00028-00007920-00008201 researchers all claiming that the Sphinx eheCK_ajVdk-00029-00008202-00008441 and indeed we feel the pyramids eheCK_ajVdk-00030-00008442-00008764 themselves are in actuality as much as eheCK_ajVdk-00031-00008765-00009023 800 000 years old eheCK_ajVdk-00032-00009024-00009191 the most recent studies were eheCK_ajVdk-00033-00009192-00009389 surprisingly presented at the eheCK_ajVdk-00034-00009390-00009514 International Conference of eheCK_ajVdk-00035-00009515-00009778 geo-archeology and archaeominirology eheCK_ajVdk-00036-00009779-00009959 held in Sofia eheCK_ajVdk-00037-00009960-00010241 titled geological aspect of the problem eheCK_ajVdk-00038-00010242-00010451 of dating the great Egyptian Sphinx eheCK_ajVdk-00039-00010452-00010559 Construction eheCK_ajVdk-00040-00010560-00010805 the authors of this paper mainstream eheCK_ajVdk-00041-00010806-00011069 scientists Monica vachuslaw from The eheCK_ajVdk-00042-00011070-00011291 Institute of environmental geochemistry eheCK_ajVdk-00043-00011292-00011519 of the National Academy of Sciences of eheCK_ajVdk-00044-00011520-00011860 Ukraine and Alexander G parkomenko eheCK_ajVdk-00045-00011861-00012071 Institute of geography of the National eheCK_ajVdk-00046-00012072-00012341 Academy of Sciences of Ukraine have eheCK_ajVdk-00047-00012342-00012538 blown the whistle regarding what we have eheCK_ajVdk-00048-00012539-00012773 supported for a number of years eheCK_ajVdk-00049-00012774-00013007 the starting point of these two experts eheCK_ajVdk-00050-00013008-00013235 is the Paradigm Shift which has been eheCK_ajVdk-00051-00013236-00013558 initiated within the quote debate which eheCK_ajVdk-00052-00013559-00013763 has been intended to overcome the eheCK_ajVdk-00053-00013763-00014080 Orthodoxy within egyptology referring to eheCK_ajVdk-00054-00014081-00014315 the possible remote origins of the eheCK_ajVdk-00055-00014316-00014579 Egyptian civilization and on the other eheCK_ajVdk-00056-00014580-00014843 physical evidence of water erosion eheCK_ajVdk-00057-00014844-00015065 present at the monuments of the Giza eheCK_ajVdk-00058-00015066-00015377 Plateau which although suspiciously eheCK_ajVdk-00059-00015378-00015683 mainstream researchers such as West and eheCK_ajVdk-00060-00015684-00015858 skoch have made over the years eheCK_ajVdk-00061-00015859-00016121 specifically titles the water erosion eheCK_ajVdk-00062-00016122-00016307 controversy which deliberately eheCK_ajVdk-00063-00016308-00016589 overlooked that the Sphinx having once eheCK_ajVdk-00064-00016590-00016786 been recorded as having been surrounded eheCK_ajVdk-00065-00016787-00017093 by a body of water namely Anubis Lake eheCK_ajVdk-00066-00017094-00017339 meaning that the enclosure was once eheCK_ajVdk-00067-00017340-00017549 designed with the intent of holding eheCK_ajVdk-00068-00017550-00017836 water itself in turn concealing the eheCK_ajVdk-00069-00017837-00018179 Sphinx's possible true identity instead eheCK_ajVdk-00070-00018180-00018467 focuses on the erosion clearly made by eheCK_ajVdk-00071-00018468-00018658 rainfall and ancient water levels eheCK_ajVdk-00072-00018659-00018922 features we indeed claim were later eheCK_ajVdk-00073-00018923-00019061 additions eheCK_ajVdk-00074-00019062-00019307 according to manichev and Parco menko eheCK_ajVdk-00075-00019308-00019564 quote the problem of dating the Great eheCK_ajVdk-00076-00019565-00019822 Pyramid Sphinx construction is still eheCK_ajVdk-00077-00019823-00020080 valid despite the long-term history of eheCK_ajVdk-00078-00020081-00020194 its research eheCK_ajVdk-00079-00020195-00020417 geological approaches and other eheCK_ajVdk-00080-00020418-00020686 scientific methods permits us to answer eheCK_ajVdk-00081-00020687-00020897 the question about the relative age of eheCK_ajVdk-00082-00020898-00021130 the Sphinx the conducted visual eheCK_ajVdk-00083-00021131-00021394 investigation of the Sphinx allowed the eheCK_ajVdk-00084-00021395-00021599 conclusion regarding the important role eheCK_ajVdk-00085-00021600-00021850 of water from large bodies which eheCK_ajVdk-00086-00021851-00022078 partially flooded the monument with the eheCK_ajVdk-00087-00022079-00022343 formation of wave cut Hollows on its eheCK_ajVdk-00088-00022344-00022480 vertical walls eheCK_ajVdk-00089-00022481-00022775 the morphology of these formations has eheCK_ajVdk-00090-00022776-00023003 an analogy with similar such Hollows eheCK_ajVdk-00091-00023004-00023293 formed by the sea in the coastal zones eheCK_ajVdk-00092-00023294-00023555 genetic resemblance of the compared eheCK_ajVdk-00093-00023556-00023758 erosion forms and the geological eheCK_ajVdk-00094-00023759-00023980 structure and petrographic composition eheCK_ajVdk-00095-00023981-00024299 of sedimentary rock complexes leads to eheCK_ajVdk-00096-00024300-00024514 the conclusion of the existence of eheCK_ajVdk-00097-00024515-00024785 long-lived freshwater lakes within eheCK_ajVdk-00098-00024786-00025025 various periods of the lower pleistocene eheCK_ajVdk-00099-00025026-00025325 era these Lakes were distributed in the eheCK_ajVdk-00100-00025326-00025589 territories adjacent to the Nile the eheCK_ajVdk-00101-00025590-00025840 absolute Mark of the upper large erosion eheCK_ajVdk-00102-00025841-00026140 Hollow of the Sphinx corresponds to the eheCK_ajVdk-00103-00026141-00026362 level of water surface which took place eheCK_ajVdk-00104-00026363-00026777 in this early pleistocene age end quote eheCK_ajVdk-00105-00026777-00026981 a link to the research can be found in eheCK_ajVdk-00106-00026982-00027239 the script it is a vindicating exposure eheCK_ajVdk-00107-00027239-00027508 of ours and others were one which we eheCK_ajVdk-00108-00027510-00027774 find highly compelling eheCK_ajVdk-00109-00027775-00028049 there are countless ancient ooparts eheCK_ajVdk-00110-00028050-00028252 which can be found littering ancient eheCK_ajVdk-00111-00028254-00028523 Antiquities and indeed the exhibits eheCK_ajVdk-00112-00028524-00028762 which are so often attributed to an eheCK_ajVdk-00113-00028763-00028949 ancient civilization subsequently eheCK_ajVdk-00114-00028950-00029237 debunked by said studies as having been eheCK_ajVdk-00115-00029238-00029561 capable of such ancient developments as eheCK_ajVdk-00116-00029562-00029837 such these artifacts are known as out of eheCK_ajVdk-00117-00029838-00030137 place artifacts or uparts as they have eheCK_ajVdk-00118-00030138-00030461 become affectionately known one such eheCK_ajVdk-00119-00030462-00030802 artifact is that of the wedge of ayud a eheCK_ajVdk-00120-00030804-00031043 large clearly machined piece of metal eheCK_ajVdk-00121-00031044-00031390 made of high Purity aluminum dated by eheCK_ajVdk-00122-00031391-00031631 many researchers as that of an ancient eheCK_ajVdk-00123-00031632-00032020 artifact the problem is aluminum in this eheCK_ajVdk-00124-00032022-00032267 density was not developed by Modern Man eheCK_ajVdk-00125-00032268-00032645 until the late 19th century around 1825 eheCK_ajVdk-00126-00032645-00032818 to be precise eheCK_ajVdk-00127-00032819-00033071 weighing an impressive five pounds in eheCK_ajVdk-00128-00033072-00033335 weight the wedge was originally dug up eheCK_ajVdk-00129-00033336-00033587 found deep within the sediments of a eheCK_ajVdk-00130-00033588-00033839 riverbank in modern-day Romania eheCK_ajVdk-00131-00033840-00034121 disregarded by many as that of a eheCK_ajVdk-00132-00034122-00034462 modern-day JCB tooth there are just as eheCK_ajVdk-00133-00034463-00034805 many however who argue and we feel for eheCK_ajVdk-00134-00034806-00035093 good reason as we shall reveal that this eheCK_ajVdk-00135-00035094-00035362 artifact is indeed ancient and has eheCK_ajVdk-00136-00035363-00035590 Through The Years continue to raise eheCK_ajVdk-00137-00035591-00035831 difficult questions to answer eheCK_ajVdk-00138-00035832-00036124 ancient alien enthusiasts insist that eheCK_ajVdk-00139-00036125-00036329 the wedge is a segment of an ancient eheCK_ajVdk-00140-00036330-00036712 alien craft or more specifically a VTOL eheCK_ajVdk-00141-00036713-00037012 type craft better known as a vertical eheCK_ajVdk-00142-00037013-00037295 takeoff and landing craft and the large eheCK_ajVdk-00143-00037296-00037601 visible signs of aging are supportive of eheCK_ajVdk-00144-00037602-00037895 not only a tremendous age but of its eheCK_ajVdk-00145-00037896-00038146 currently unexplainable Origins here on eheCK_ajVdk-00146-00038147-00038230 Earth eheCK_ajVdk-00147-00038231-00038446 it was found during digging on a eheCK_ajVdk-00148-00038447-00038662 construction project along with two eheCK_ajVdk-00149-00038663-00039011 Mastodon bones in 35 feet of sand eheCK_ajVdk-00150-00039012-00039227 someone gave it to the Museum of History eheCK_ajVdk-00151-00039228-00039557 of Transylvania where it lay ignored in eheCK_ajVdk-00152-00039558-00039839 a storeroom for 20 years before editors eheCK_ajVdk-00153-00039840-00040187 from a Romanian UFO magazine founded in eheCK_ajVdk-00154-00040188-00040355 1995. eheCK_ajVdk-00155-00040356-00040607 furthermore although some Skeptics eheCK_ajVdk-00156-00040608-00040840 attempt to argue that the wedge is of eheCK_ajVdk-00157-00040841-00041135 modern Origins it was found in the same eheCK_ajVdk-00158-00041136-00041435 layer as that of the Mastodon bones with eheCK_ajVdk-00159-00041436-00041662 a wedge accepted by a large number of eheCK_ajVdk-00160-00041663-00041980 others as being at least 11 000 years eheCK_ajVdk-00161-00041981-00042083 old eheCK_ajVdk-00162-00042084-00042365 this dating makes this a very peculiar eheCK_ajVdk-00163-00042366-00042640 item indeed and something which we feel eheCK_ajVdk-00164-00042641-00042893 demands further examination eheCK_ajVdk-00165-00042894-00043193 if the wedge is indeed around 11 000 eheCK_ajVdk-00166-00043194-00043421 years old as the evidence witness eheCK_ajVdk-00167-00043422-00043702 testimony and dating of the sediments it eheCK_ajVdk-00168-00043703-00043937 was found within would suggest eheCK_ajVdk-00169-00043938-00044218 then the question of how such a lump of eheCK_ajVdk-00170-00044219-00044501 almost pure clearly machined aluminum eheCK_ajVdk-00171-00044502-00044824 originated from and indeed what was the eheCK_ajVdk-00172-00044825-00045101 original purpose of the wedge was it eheCK_ajVdk-00173-00045102-00045317 like the ancient alien enthusiasts eheCK_ajVdk-00174-00045318-00045574 insist once part of a vertical takeoff eheCK_ajVdk-00175-00045575-00045833 and landing craft or maybe from eheCK_ajVdk-00176-00045834-00045965 something else eheCK_ajVdk-00177-00045966-00046246 questions Still Circle the wedges true eheCK_ajVdk-00178-00046247-00046523 Origins and without solid evidence to eheCK_ajVdk-00179-00046524-00046817 prove the Wedge's modern Origins we must eheCK_ajVdk-00180-00046818-00047033 stick to the evidence already acquired eheCK_ajVdk-00181-00047034-00047296 that of the Wedge's original resting eheCK_ajVdk-00182-00047297-00047596 place the dating of said sediments and eheCK_ajVdk-00183-00047597-00047818 the lack of any contradictory evidence eheCK_ajVdk-00184-00047819-00048065 in regards to Works being done in this eheCK_ajVdk-00185-00048066-00048346 area at this depth along the riverbank eheCK_ajVdk-00186-00048347-00048521 within Romania eheCK_ajVdk-00187-00048522-00048839 we must entertain the idea that this eheCK_ajVdk-00188-00048840-00049121 five pound almost pure metallic object eheCK_ajVdk-00189-00049122-00049474 is indeed that of an ancient upart and eheCK_ajVdk-00190-00049475-00049702 any other explanation lacking evidence eheCK_ajVdk-00191-00049703-00050015 is just an attempt to disregard such eheCK_ajVdk-00192-00050016-00050296 claims as they do not jive with modern eheCK_ajVdk-00193-00050297-00050621 Paradigm An Occurrence we witness all eheCK_ajVdk-00194-00050622-00050740 too often eheCK_ajVdk-00195-00050741-00051130 what is the wedge of ayud how old is it eheCK_ajVdk-00196-00051131-00051502 could it indeed be 11 000 years old and eheCK_ajVdk-00197-00051503-00051766 if so how was it manufactured and eheCK_ajVdk-00198-00051767-00051976 machined and what could it have been eheCK_ajVdk-00199-00051977-00052307 possibly used for it is an object which eheCK_ajVdk-00200-00052308-00053238 we find highly compelling eheCK_ajVdk-00201-00053239-00054179 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00202-00054179-00055187 oh eheCK_ajVdk-00203-00055188-00055748 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00204-00055749-00056790 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00205-00056791-00058401 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00206-00058402-00059819 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00207-00059820-00059933 foreign eheCK_ajVdk-00208-00059934-00061598 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00209-00061599-00062854 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00210-00062855-00064866 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00211-00064867-00065446 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00212-00065447-00066186 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00213-00066187-00067231 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00214-00067232-00067794 all right eheCK_ajVdk-00215-00067795-00068911 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00216-00068912-00069442 thank you eheCK_ajVdk-00217-00069443-00071092 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00218-00071093-00071623 [Music] eheCK_ajVdk-00219-00071624-00072076 thank you eheCK_ajVdk-00220-00072077-00072473 the tunguska river Russia at 7 14 in the eheCK_ajVdk-00221-00072474-00072719 morning on June the 30th 1908 and eheCK_ajVdk-00222-00072720-00072941 mysterious unexplained and deadly event eheCK_ajVdk-00223-00072942-00073181 occurred during which there was an eheCK_ajVdk-00224-00073182-00073325 enormous explosion eheCK_ajVdk-00225-00073326-00073547 it has been estimated that the explosion eheCK_ajVdk-00226-00073548-00073781 was equal to more than 2 000 Hiroshima eheCK_ajVdk-00227-00073782-00073985 atom bombs and for over a hundred years eheCK_ajVdk-00228-00073986-00074213 no one has been able to figure out what eheCK_ajVdk-00229-00074214-00074326 caused it eheCK_ajVdk-00230-00074327-00074603 at around breakfast time Mr seminov was eheCK_ajVdk-00231-00074604-00074788 sitting outside his house at vanuvara eheCK_ajVdk-00232-00074789-00075053 trading post about 40 miles south of the eheCK_ajVdk-00233-00075054-00075250 edge of the explosion he recalls the eheCK_ajVdk-00234-00075251-00075473 event suddenly seeing directly to the eheCK_ajVdk-00235-00075474-00075725 north over on girls tungusker Road the eheCK_ajVdk-00236-00075726-00076025 sky split in two fire appeared high and eheCK_ajVdk-00237-00076026-00076235 wide over the forest the split in the eheCK_ajVdk-00238-00076236-00076438 sky grew larger and the entire Northern eheCK_ajVdk-00239-00076439-00076625 side was covered with fire eheCK_ajVdk-00240-00076626-00076882 at that moment I became so hot that I eheCK_ajVdk-00241-00076883-00077099 couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on eheCK_ajVdk-00242-00077100-00077171 fire eheCK_ajVdk-00243-00077172-00077356 from the northern side where the fire eheCK_ajVdk-00244-00077357-00077609 was came strong heat I wanted to tear eheCK_ajVdk-00245-00077610-00077825 off my shirt and throw it down but then eheCK_ajVdk-00246-00077826-00078059 the sky shut closed and the strong boom eheCK_ajVdk-00247-00078060-00078341 sounded I was thrown a few meters I lost eheCK_ajVdk-00248-00078342-00078605 my senses for a moment then my wife ran eheCK_ajVdk-00249-00078606-00078844 out and led me to the house after that eheCK_ajVdk-00250-00078845-00079079 Such Noise came as if rocks were falling eheCK_ajVdk-00251-00079080-00079294 or cannons were firing the Earth Shook eheCK_ajVdk-00252-00079295-00079505 and when I was on the ground I pressed eheCK_ajVdk-00253-00079506-00079744 my head down fearing rocks would land on eheCK_ajVdk-00254-00079745-00080050 me when the sky opened up hot wind raced eheCK_ajVdk-00255-00080051-00080255 between the houses which left tracers in eheCK_ajVdk-00256-00080256-00080459 the ground like Pathways and it damaged eheCK_ajVdk-00257-00080460-00080573 the crops eheCK_ajVdk-00258-00080574-00080800 this witness testimony was recorded in eheCK_ajVdk-00259-00080801-00081023 1930 by Leonard police Expedition eheCK_ajVdk-00260-00081024-00081256 although for many years scientists eheCK_ajVdk-00261-00081257-00081449 thought it was probably a meteor the eheCK_ajVdk-00262-00081450-00081629 lack of evidence has led to numerous eheCK_ajVdk-00263-00081630-00081856 speculations ranging from UFOs to black eheCK_ajVdk-00264-00081857-00082150 holes to this day no one knows for sure eheCK_ajVdk-00265-00082151-00082415 what caused the explosion during the eheCK_ajVdk-00266-00082416-00082600 explosion the fireball that ensued eheCK_ajVdk-00267-00082601-00082793 witnessed by the handful of terrified eheCK_ajVdk-00268-00082794-00083075 distant onlookers a fireball witness as eheCK_ajVdk-00269-00083076-00083309 falling from the sky was later estimated eheCK_ajVdk-00270-00083310-00083621 to happen many miles wide what caused eheCK_ajVdk-00271-00083622-00083855 the tungusker explosion and most eheCK_ajVdk-00272-00083856-00084005 importantly what is buried at the eheCK_ajVdk-00273-00084006-00084197 epicenter of the event or what was left eheCK_ajVdk-00274-00084198-00084299 on the Earth eheCK_ajVdk-00275-00084300-00084544 whatever it is for the past 100 years eheCK_ajVdk-00276-00084545-00084755 the only vegetation capable of surviving eheCK_ajVdk-00277-00084756-00085055 the location's environment is glass the eheCK_ajVdk-00278-00085056-00085259 sheer force of the event destroyed trees eheCK_ajVdk-00279-00085260-00085493 far and wide near Ground Zero damages eheCK_ajVdk-00280-00085494-00085661 were similar to those registered during eheCK_ajVdk-00281-00085662-00085925 atmospheric nuclear tests in the 1950s eheCK_ajVdk-00282-00085926-00086243 and 1960s the trees directly below the eheCK_ajVdk-00283-00086244-00086399 explosion were stripped to their bark eheCK_ajVdk-00284-00086400-00086609 and snapped flat while trees farther eheCK_ajVdk-00285-00086610-00086806 away were knocked over and uprooted eheCK_ajVdk-00286-00086807-00087041 interestingly the explosion's pattern eheCK_ajVdk-00287-00087042-00087244 was in the shape of a butterfly the eheCK_ajVdk-00288-00087245-00087437 tungusker event is the largest impact eheCK_ajVdk-00289-00087438-00087647 event ever recorded on earth eheCK_ajVdk-00290-00087648-00087844 Studies have yielded different estimates eheCK_ajVdk-00291-00087845-00088043 of the object's size depending on eheCK_ajVdk-00292-00088044-00088241 whether the body was a comet a denser eheCK_ajVdk-00293-00088242-00088523 asteroid or something else entirely a eheCK_ajVdk-00294-00088524-00088715 team of researchers published analysis eheCK_ajVdk-00295-00088716-00088949 results of micro samples from a peat bog eheCK_ajVdk-00296-00088950-00089093 near the center of the affected area eheCK_ajVdk-00297-00089094-00089267 showing fragments that may be of eheCK_ajVdk-00298-00089268-00089494 meteoritic origin whether these eheCK_ajVdk-00299-00089495-00089662 fragments have been found to contain eheCK_ajVdk-00300-00089663-00089909 alien pollutants has not been disclosed eheCK_ajVdk-00301-00089910-00090082 but the physical evidence of the site eheCK_ajVdk-00302-00090083-00090275 would suggest a hostile chemical was eheCK_ajVdk-00303-00090276-00090437 released during the event which even eheCK_ajVdk-00304-00090438-00090635 after a hundred years is still having a eheCK_ajVdk-00305-00090636-00090881 drastic effect on the landscape it is eheCK_ajVdk-00306-00090882-00091079 estimated that the tungusker explosion eheCK_ajVdk-00307-00091080-00091276 knocked down some 80 million trees over eheCK_ajVdk-00308-00091277-00091399 an area of eheCK_ajVdk-00309-00091400-00091661 2150 square kilometers and that the eheCK_ajVdk-00310-00091662-00091817 shock wave from the blast would have eheCK_ajVdk-00311-00091818-00092062 measured 5.0 on the Richter magnitude eheCK_ajVdk-00312-00092063-00092362 scale whatever it was this thing was big eheCK_ajVdk-00313-00092363-00092591 also there is clearly something that eheCK_ajVdk-00314-00092592-00092776 Still Remains at the location and it eheCK_ajVdk-00315-00092777-00093053 isn't friendly to life eheCK_ajVdk-00316-00093054-00093644 the Flying Carpet was always used ei6HVAtjdho-00000-00000850-00001128 so we were first introduced to this ei6HVAtjdho-00001-00001129-00001350 workshop by a colleague of ours that ei6HVAtjdho-00002-00001351-00001543 heard about it from a Google colleague ei6HVAtjdho-00003-00001544-00001762 and we were very intrigued I think it's ei6HVAtjdho-00004-00001763-00002010 very important to do self-promotion we ei6HVAtjdho-00005-00002011-00002217 don't do enough of it and watching my ei6HVAtjdho-00006-00002218-00002374 colleagues are only we sell ourselves ei6HVAtjdho-00007-00002375-00002638 short and this is where I'm remarkable ei6HVAtjdho-00008-00002639-00002859 came in beautifully at the right time so ei6HVAtjdho-00009-00002860-00003126 with the Google initiative we started ei6HVAtjdho-00010-00003127-00003364 doing exactly that it's based on ei6HVAtjdho-00011-00003365-00003577 developing people's self promotion ei6HVAtjdho-00012-00003578-00003760 skills but that's something I have ei6HVAtjdho-00013-00003761-00003964 struggled with unknowingly until I knew ei6HVAtjdho-00014-00003965-00004161 about this training I didn't appreciate ei6HVAtjdho-00015-00004162-00004393 the value of self-promotion and I think ei6HVAtjdho-00016-00004394-00004618 as confident as you think you are this ei6HVAtjdho-00017-00004619-00004816 is definitely a skill that you need to ei6HVAtjdho-00018-00004817-00005109 learn and evolve over time deep down I ei6HVAtjdho-00019-00005110-00005368 know I'm remarkable but it took me a ei6HVAtjdho-00020-00005369-00005668 while really to translate this to ei6HVAtjdho-00021-00005669-00006052 writing so so far PwC Middle East have ei6HVAtjdho-00022-00006053-00006331 trained 600 people across the region and ei6HVAtjdho-00023-00006332-00006585 I'm remarkable we've covered six ei6HVAtjdho-00024-00006586-00006784 countries across the region and we still ei6HVAtjdho-00025-00006784-00007035 have at least another four to go it's ei6HVAtjdho-00026-00007036-00007248 great that other people recognize what ei6HVAtjdho-00027-00007250-00007398 we bring to the table but it's really ei6HVAtjdho-00028-00007400-00007591 important that we ourselves speak about ei6HVAtjdho-00029-00007592-00007824 it because you're your own best advocate ei6HVAtjdho-00030-00007825-00008016 aren't you quite honestly unremarkable ei6HVAtjdho-00031-00008017-00008269 helped me on my success and I will give ei6HVAtjdho-00032-00008270-00008518 you a tangible example this year for the ei6HVAtjdho-00033-00008519-00008776 first time I'm approaching my appraisal ei6HVAtjdho-00034-00008777-00009033 process differently so I'm owning my ei6HVAtjdho-00035-00009034-00009244 success and I'm literally writing down ei6HVAtjdho-00036-00009245-00009519 why I'm remarkable and what made me ei6HVAtjdho-00037-00009520-00009760 successful it's definitely helped me to ei6HVAtjdho-00038-00009761-00009952 be a better coach to my colleagues ei6HVAtjdho-00039-00009953-00010171 because with me sharing with my ei6HVAtjdho-00040-00010172-00010324 colleagues hopefully there's a domino ei6HVAtjdho-00041-00010325-00010546 effect and a bigger ripple that more and ei6HVAtjdho-00042-00010547-00010783 more people start to appreciate their ei6HVAtjdho-00043-00010784-00010993 own successes so we've taken on ei6HVAtjdho-00044-00010994-00011140 remarkable to our clients and other ei6HVAtjdho-00045-00011141-00011352 stakeholders and ran sessions there ei6HVAtjdho-00046-00011353-00011505 because we've seen the impact that it's ei6HVAtjdho-00047-00011506-00011668 had on our people and we want to take ei6HVAtjdho-00048-00011669-00011830 that to other people outside of our ei6HVAtjdho-00049-00011831-00012036 organization and that's been really ei6HVAtjdho-00050-00012037-00012249 powerful as well ei6HVAtjdho-00051-00012250-00012456 you ejTT01EnAAg-00000-00000143-00000311 two sides i'm christy mazurek and i'm ejTT01EnAAg-00001-00000312-00000495 michael caputo steve pigeon here joining ejTT01EnAAg-00002-00000496-00000671 us so we've been talking a lot starting ejTT01EnAAg-00003-00000672-00000919 out of the gate a lot of topics are now ejTT01EnAAg-00004-00000919-00001150 really starting to percolate in albany ejTT01EnAAg-00005-00001151-00001319 they have the week off ejTT01EnAAg-00006-00001320-00001431 do you think everybody is in their ejTT01EnAAg-00007-00001432-00001663 district office steve trying to decide ejTT01EnAAg-00008-00001664-00001767 where they're going to go on some of ejTT01EnAAg-00009-00001768-00001959 these issues well i'm sure they are and ejTT01EnAAg-00010-00001960-00002087 i'm sure everybody's going to be ejTT01EnAAg-00011-00002088-00002287 contacting their local opinion leaders ejTT01EnAAg-00012-00002288-00002431 and moving around with the public ejTT01EnAAg-00013-00002432-00002542 because there's a lot of interesting ejTT01EnAAg-00014-00002543-00002807 issues that are developing in albany and ejTT01EnAAg-00015-00002808-00002983 and mike i think you actually just hit ejTT01EnAAg-00016-00002984-00003166 the nail on the head i think what ejTT01EnAAg-00017-00003167-00003399 governor cuomo is trying to do ejTT01EnAAg-00018-00003400-00003622 is he's trying to codify into state law ejTT01EnAAg-00019-00003623-00003847 what is already available in federal law ejTT01EnAAg-00020-00003847-00004054 which is that health considerations of ejTT01EnAAg-00021-00004055-00004167 the mother ejTT01EnAAg-00022-00004168-00004351 can be considered during a late term ejTT01EnAAg-00023-00004352-00004447 pregnancy ejTT01EnAAg-00024-00004448-00004695 uh and i think that's where most new ejTT01EnAAg-00025-00004696-00004951 yorkers are um and i think that's where ejTT01EnAAg-00026-00004952-00005175 most people in the country are so uh i ejTT01EnAAg-00027-00005176-00005383 know that the again i think we're right ejTT01EnAAg-00028-00005384-00005543 from a political sense ejTT01EnAAg-00029-00005544-00005718 because people on both sides will you ejTT01EnAAg-00030-00005719-00005934 know do the sensational sides of these ejTT01EnAAg-00031-00005935-00006022 issues ejTT01EnAAg-00032-00006023-00006263 this is another threat to that coalition ejTT01EnAAg-00033-00006264-00006542 and it's it's a very uh tenuous ejTT01EnAAg-00034-00006543-00006670 tightrope that ejTT01EnAAg-00035-00006672-00006870 dean skelos is walking senator skelos ejTT01EnAAg-00036-00006872-00007095 because in reality they have a majority ejTT01EnAAg-00037-00007095-00007351 light they really lost they are not in ejTT01EnAAg-00038-00007352-00007598 the majority more democrats were elected ejTT01EnAAg-00039-00007600-00007831 they're only surviving because of the ejTT01EnAAg-00040-00007831-00008127 the the mainstream you know centrist ejTT01EnAAg-00041-00008128-00008383 uh upstate and upstate democrats who are ejTT01EnAAg-00042-00008384-00008535 supporting this ejTT01EnAAg-00043-00008536-00008742 independent conference and that have the ejTT01EnAAg-00044-00008743-00008927 tacit support of the governor ejTT01EnAAg-00045-00008928-00009174 so i would imagine that the tight rope ejTT01EnAAg-00046-00009175-00009455 he's on he has the conservative ejTT01EnAAg-00047-00009456-00009695 side of his party and his conference ejTT01EnAAg-00048-00009696-00009806 and if you remember the conservative ejTT01EnAAg-00049-00009807-00009951 party the conservative party actually ejTT01EnAAg-00050-00009952-00010142 was started in this state as a reaction ejTT01EnAAg-00051-00010143-00010399 to nelson rockefeller and jacob javits ejTT01EnAAg-00052-00010400-00010663 and the downstate republicans that many ejTT01EnAAg-00053-00010664-00010846 republicans felt were republican in name ejTT01EnAAg-00054-00010847-00011087 only and that were too moderate and too ejTT01EnAAg-00055-00011088-00011287 progressive for them so you're going ejTT01EnAAg-00056-00011288-00011503 gonna going to re fight that fight in ejTT01EnAAg-00057-00011504-00011695 the republican party and he's he has to ejTT01EnAAg-00058-00011696-00011910 try to hold his conference together uh ejTT01EnAAg-00059-00011911-00012078 the main way he's probably doing it is ejTT01EnAAg-00060-00012079-00012351 by playing practical politics he has the ejTT01EnAAg-00061-00012352-00012527 top political lieutenants in uh tom ejTT01EnAAg-00062-00012528-00012735 libous and and george maysia who ejTT01EnAAg-00063-00012736-00012951 understand the practicality of this ejTT01EnAAg-00064-00012952-00013175 basically saying hey guys we lost and in ejTT01EnAAg-00065-00013176-00013391 order to survive in a majority and ejTT01EnAAg-00066-00013391-00013591 survive in this state we're going to ejTT01EnAAg-00067-00013591-00013783 have to allow for these uh ejTT01EnAAg-00068-00013784-00013927 you know senators centrist and ejTT01EnAAg-00069-00013928-00014183 progressive issues in new york to go ejTT01EnAAg-00070-00014184-00014391 through in legislation so it's very ejTT01EnAAg-00071-00014391-00014583 dangerous game he's playing so it'll be ejTT01EnAAg-00072-00014584-00014766 interesting to watch do you think though ejTT01EnAAg-00073-00014768-00014919 i mean one of the things that has come ejTT01EnAAg-00074-00014919-00015063 out of the governor's office he said ejTT01EnAAg-00075-00015063-00015319 listen by just the odd chance ejTT01EnAAg-00076-00015319-00015550 that roe versus wade comes in front of ejTT01EnAAg-00077-00015551-00015719 the supreme court ejTT01EnAAg-00078-00015719-00015999 new york state is protecting women's ejTT01EnAAg-00079-00016000-00016263 health issues well that's part of it ejTT01EnAAg-00080-00016263-00016407 because it's only been one vote ejTT01EnAAg-00081-00016408-00016567 separating roe versus wade in this ejTT01EnAAg-00082-00016568-00016719 current supreme court but the other part ejTT01EnAAg-00083-00016720-00016919 is what mike you pointed out ejTT01EnAAg-00084-00016920-00017150 is that the state law actually does not ejTT01EnAAg-00085-00017151-00017367 go as far as federal law in terms of ejTT01EnAAg-00086-00017368-00017591 protect letting the health of the mother ejTT01EnAAg-00087-00017592-00017807 not just a life threatening but the ejTT01EnAAg-00088-00017808-00018022 health of the mother be a consideration ejTT01EnAAg-00089-00018023-00018230 in a late term ejTT01EnAAg-00090-00018231-00018455 procedure well you know we've heard some ejTT01EnAAg-00091-00018456-00018743 talk that uh the the initial bill that ejTT01EnAAg-00092-00018744-00018991 uh the governor had talked about has has ejTT01EnAAg-00093-00018992-00019094 not been revealed he's actually ejTT01EnAAg-00094-00019095-00019286 rewriting it and he says that he's just ejTT01EnAAg-00095-00019287-00019503 simply codifying federal law into the ejTT01EnAAg-00096-00019504-00019679 state law but there's also talk that ejTT01EnAAg-00097-00019680-00019871 there will be some uh ejTT01EnAAg-00098-00019872-00020086 measures in there like for example uh ejTT01EnAAg-00099-00020087-00020247 making it legal for any health care ejTT01EnAAg-00100-00020248-00020511 provider uh to perform an abortion not ejTT01EnAAg-00101-00020512-00020758 just a physician and another measure uh ejTT01EnAAg-00102-00020759-00021039 that uh that that takes it even further ejTT01EnAAg-00103-00021040-00021327 uh with uh according to the law here it ejTT01EnAAg-00104-00021328-00021543 says it removes abortion from the ejTT01EnAAg-00105-00021544-00021830 state's penal code and puts it into the ejTT01EnAAg-00106-00021831-00022086 public health law uh those two things ejTT01EnAAg-00107-00022087-00022263 are really counter to what skelos is ejTT01EnAAg-00108-00022264-00022471 really hoping for and i think you'll see ejTT01EnAAg-00109-00022472-00022630 republicans peel away if those things ejTT01EnAAg-00110-00022631-00022830 are in well first off i think both of ejTT01EnAAg-00111-00022831-00023103 those are common sense uh ejTT01EnAAg-00112-00023104-00023263 you know pieces that you know he may be ejTT01EnAAg-00113-00023264-00023519 considering doing because the procedure ejTT01EnAAg-00114-00023520-00023799 itself can be performed by a myriad of ejTT01EnAAg-00115-00023800-00024078 of health professionals not just doctors ejTT01EnAAg-00116-00024079-00024247 and i think it is time that we take it ejTT01EnAAg-00117-00024248-00024407 out of the penal law and put it into ejTT01EnAAg-00118-00024408-00024599 health lobbies it is a health issue and ejTT01EnAAg-00119-00024600-00024839 has been a health issue but i agree i ejTT01EnAAg-00120-00024840-00025103 think that can inflame the extreme right ejTT01EnAAg-00121-00025104-00025255 in this state and probably inflame the ejTT01EnAAg-00122-00025256-00025455 conservative ejTT01EnAAg-00123-00025456-00025655 right in this state so again it has to ejTT01EnAAg-00124-00025656-00025839 be a political calculation that's being ejTT01EnAAg-00125-00025839-00026150 made and i think that on top of ejTT01EnAAg-00126-00026151-00026327 the situation where you know we were ejTT01EnAAg-00127-00026327-00026543 talking about you know the gun laws will ejTT01EnAAg-00128-00026544-00026718 be interesting to watch is what the ejTT01EnAAg-00129-00026719-00026935 niagara county legislature does because ejTT01EnAAg-00130-00026936-00027207 you have nazirs who is a pragmatic ejTT01EnAAg-00131-00027208-00027470 uh supporter really of the governor and ejTT01EnAAg-00132-00027472-00027646 one of his point men and getting bills ejTT01EnAAg-00133-00027647-00027831 passed through this ejTT01EnAAg-00134-00027832-00027999 coalition that's ejTT01EnAAg-00135-00028000-00028183 come together with jeff klein but he's ejTT01EnAAg-00136-00028183-00028423 also locked stock and barrel totally in ejTT01EnAAg-00137-00028424-00028527 control of the niagara county ejTT01EnAAg-00138-00028527-00028751 legislature he controls it he really is ejTT01EnAAg-00139-00028752-00028887 the niagara county legislature there's ejTT01EnAAg-00140-00028888-00029062 no independent member there they all ejTT01EnAAg-00141-00029063-00029262 take their marching orders from him and ejTT01EnAAg-00142-00029263-00029487 if he actually goes ahead and ejTT01EnAAg-00143-00029488-00029670 has the county legislature ejTT01EnAAg-00144-00029672-00029967 uh vote to undo the safe act i think ejTT01EnAAg-00145-00029968-00030118 that that's showing you that he's ejTT01EnAAg-00146-00030119-00030287 playing more to the right than he's ejTT01EnAAg-00147-00030288-00030455 playing to this coalition that he's that ejTT01EnAAg-00148-00030456-00030687 he helped engineer with the governor so ejTT01EnAAg-00149-00030688-00030799 those are the type of things that will ejTT01EnAAg-00150-00030800-00030951 be interesting from a political sense ejTT01EnAAg-00151-00030952-00031190 from a philosophic sense ejTT01EnAAg-00152-00031191-00031367 you know as far as i'm concerned ejTT01EnAAg-00153-00031368-00031518 they'll do business in new york because ejTT01EnAAg-00154-00031519-00031702 there's too much business in new york to ejTT01EnAAg-00155-00031703-00031958 walk away from and all this safe act did ejTT01EnAAg-00156-00031960-00032246 is bring common sense regulation ejTT01EnAAg-00157-00032247-00032462 it it's not confiscating guns it's ejTT01EnAAg-00158-00032463-00032655 allowing for you know for for for ejTT01EnAAg-00159-00032656-00032799 citizens to carry guns but it's just ejTT01EnAAg-00160-00032800-00033007 bringing common sense regulation try to ejTT01EnAAg-00161-00033008-00033207 stop these uh killing machines and ejTT01EnAAg-00162-00033208-00033455 assault rifles try not to have magazines ejTT01EnAAg-00163-00033456-00033655 that can just uh you know spray into ejTT01EnAAg-00164-00033656-00033855 crowds that no no hunter needs or no one ejTT01EnAAg-00165-00033856-00034046 needs to protect their home i can barely ejTT01EnAAg-00166-00034047-00034190 take a breath i'm itching so hard to ejTT01EnAAg-00167-00034191-00034423 come back each year i think first of all ejTT01EnAAg-00168-00034424-00034607 those those ejTT01EnAAg-00169-00034608-00034767 those those gun manufacturers that ejTT01EnAAg-00170-00034768-00034871 you're talking about there are 10 of ejTT01EnAAg-00171-00034872-00035031 them they're small but ejTT01EnAAg-00172-00035032-00035135 and they're not going to have much of an ejTT01EnAAg-00173-00035136-00035262 effect but if you look at the map we ejTT01EnAAg-00174-00035263-00035607 have up right now we have uh 20 counties ejTT01EnAAg-00175-00035608-00035783 that you see in green there that have ejTT01EnAAg-00176-00035784-00035895 passed ejTT01EnAAg-00177-00035896-00036055 county legislation that have urged the ejTT01EnAAg-00178-00036056-00036287 repeal of the law you have 15 which you ejTT01EnAAg-00179-00036288-00036535 see in yellow there that are that have ejTT01EnAAg-00180-00036536-00036759 uh repeal votes pending and that's out ejTT01EnAAg-00181-00036760-00036951 of 62 counties now if you know if we get ejTT01EnAAg-00182-00036952-00037183 all the rest of the 15 as pro-gun folks ejTT01EnAAg-00183-00037184-00037383 uh we'll still only be in half and what ejTT01EnAAg-00184-00037384-00037495 does that mean ejTT01EnAAg-00185-00037496-00037718 those are very rural counties and if you ejTT01EnAAg-00186-00037719-00037895 took the population of those those ejTT01EnAAg-00187-00037896-00038023 counties they don't even equal the ejTT01EnAAg-00188-00038024-00038239 population of erie county let alone ejTT01EnAAg-00189-00038240-00038335 queens ejTT01EnAAg-00190-00038336-00038630 manhattan brooklyn the bronx or staten ejTT01EnAAg-00191-00038631-00038823 islands geography ejTT01EnAAg-00192-00038824-00039030 you're talking about an extreme ejTT01EnAAg-00193-00039031-00039255 right in in this situation they're the ejTT01EnAAg-00194-00039256-00039502 loudest they're the most funded but what ejTT01EnAAg-00195-00039503-00039702 they won't tell you is that if you bring ejTT01EnAAg-00196-00039703-00039895 a gun into your home you're more likely ejTT01EnAAg-00197-00039896-00040095 that somebody will be killed by accident ejTT01EnAAg-00198-00040096-00040311 or a domestic argument that often ends ejTT01EnAAg-00199-00040312-00040455 in violence will end in a killing ejTT01EnAAg-00200-00040456-00040695 because the gun is available or or that ejTT01EnAAg-00201-00040696-00040846 someone will you know ejTT01EnAAg-00202-00040847-00041071 that a person being suicidal when they ejTT01EnAAg-00203-00041072-00041302 when they take pills they're more likely ejTT01EnAAg-00204-00041303-00041455 to live through the suicide attempt when ejTT01EnAAg-00205-00041456-00041599 they use a gun they're more likely not ejTT01EnAAg-00206-00041600-00041735 to live through the sights but stephen ejTT01EnAAg-00207-00041736-00041918 are you saying so when you're gone ejTT01EnAAg-00208-00041919-00042102 it's more likely that somebody will be ejTT01EnAAg-00209-00042103-00042335 hurt accidentally in your family or or ejTT01EnAAg-00210-00042336-00042543 an argument will will go to an incident ejTT01EnAAg-00211-00042544-00042679 then you'll ever be in protecting ejTT01EnAAg-00212-00042680-00042902 yourself from an intruder so those are ejTT01EnAAg-00213-00042903-00043207 the type of of common sense uh facts ejTT01EnAAg-00214-00043208-00043415 that we don't like to talk about anymore ejTT01EnAAg-00215-00043416-00043615 but in reality all the gun law what ejTT01EnAAg-00216-00043616-00043735 we're talking about is let's get rid of ejTT01EnAAg-00217-00043736-00043943 the assault rifles let's not make it ejTT01EnAAg-00218-00043944-00044143 easy for mentally ill people or people ejTT01EnAAg-00219-00044144-00044335 with ill thoughts to get a hold of these ejTT01EnAAg-00220-00044336-00044471 guns there ought to be universal ejTT01EnAAg-00221-00044472-00044687 background checks uh we ought to stop ejTT01EnAAg-00222-00044688-00044830 with the straw purchases where someone ejTT01EnAAg-00223-00044831-00045007 can go to a gun show and buy 30 or 40 ejTT01EnAAg-00224-00045008-00045230 guns and sell them privately we had to ejTT01EnAAg-00225-00045231-00045367 plug those loopholes we ought to have ejTT01EnAAg-00226-00045368-00045558 federal gun trafficking so that we could ejTT01EnAAg-00227-00045559-00045767 raise it to the level that it's uniform ejTT01EnAAg-00228-00045768-00045918 across the country and not just a ejTT01EnAAg-00229-00045919-00046102 patchwork among the states and we ejTT01EnAAg-00230-00046103-00046279 shouldn't make it so easy for these ejTT01EnAAg-00231-00046280-00046455 crazy people to get a hold of these guns ejTT01EnAAg-00232-00046456-00046671 and be able to walk into movie theaters ejTT01EnAAg-00233-00046672-00046902 or schools and just and just slaughter ejTT01EnAAg-00234-00046903-00047071 people fortunately the point of being ejTT01EnAAg-00235-00047072-00047199 ridiculous and that's all that the ejTT01EnAAg-00236-00047200-00047407 governor's asked to do and ejTT01EnAAg-00237-00047408-00047630 asked for this state to do the majority ejTT01EnAAg-00238-00047631-00047815 of people in this state support the new ejTT01EnAAg-00239-00047816-00048062 york safe gun act the majority do so you ejTT01EnAAg-00240-00048063-00048230 can show me a bunch of rural counties ejTT01EnAAg-00241-00048231-00048430 where you have republican legislators ejTT01EnAAg-00242-00048431-00048639 playing to the hard right but that is ejTT01EnAAg-00243-00048640-00048790 not where the people of new york are ejTT01EnAAg-00244-00048791-00048943 they're with the governor well and i ejTT01EnAAg-00245-00048944-00049127 think it's safe to say that unless uh ejTT01EnAAg-00246-00049128-00049390 new york city votes against any law in ejTT01EnAAg-00247-00049391-00049583 this state we're not going anywhere on ejTT01EnAAg-00248-00049584-00049839 any repeal so this is an exercise in ejTT01EnAAg-00249-00049840-00050046 futility in the end but it's also a ejTT01EnAAg-00250-00050047-00050207 proof that there's a rising tide of ejTT01EnAAg-00251-00050208-00050407 voices you may not think it's enough but ejTT01EnAAg-00252-00050408-00050583 it's a large number of people here in ejTT01EnAAg-00253-00050584-00050839 this state who are who are opposed and ejTT01EnAAg-00254-00050840-00051102 feel this is an egregious uh step back ejTT01EnAAg-00255-00051103-00051287 on the second amendment i i agree with ejTT01EnAAg-00256-00051288-00051479 them now the governor i think is ejTT01EnAAg-00257-00051479-00051623 suffering right now i don't think this ejTT01EnAAg-00258-00051624-00051766 he's there's going to be no repeal ejTT01EnAAg-00259-00051767-00051958 obviously he's going to get reelected i ejTT01EnAAg-00260-00051959-00052175 don't care who runs against him but when ejTT01EnAAg-00261-00052176-00052358 you when the second amendment supporters ejTT01EnAAg-00262-00052359-00052550 across the united states see that we ejTT01EnAAg-00263-00052551-00052759 have an anti-gun candidate for president ejTT01EnAAg-00264-00052760-00052919 he's going to say i have to stop you ejTT01EnAAg-00265-00052920-00053087 this isn't an egregious infringement ejTT01EnAAg-00266-00053088-00053319 upon the senate of course it is it the ejTT01EnAAg-00267-00053320-00053454 second amendment says that we have a ejTT01EnAAg-00268-00053455-00053679 right to a regulated militia and a right ejTT01EnAAg-00269-00053679-00053999 to bear arms but it has with every right ejTT01EnAAg-00270-00054000-00054199 there is a you have a right the ejTT01EnAAg-00271-00054200-00054447 government can limit those rights and ejTT01EnAAg-00272-00054448-00054615 have common sense regulation on those ejTT01EnAAg-00273-00054616-00054847 rights just like every right that we're ejTT01EnAAg-00274-00054848-00055015 we're given under the constitution you ejTT01EnAAg-00275-00055016-00055191 can't walk into a crowded movie theater ejTT01EnAAg-00276-00055191-00055415 and falsely yell fire there's slander ejTT01EnAAg-00277-00055416-00055647 and libel laws that that that that limit ejTT01EnAAg-00278-00055648-00055815 the first amendment and that's all we're ejTT01EnAAg-00279-00055816-00055982 saying on the second amendment yes the ejTT01EnAAg-00280-00055983-00056223 citizen you have a right to uh bear arms ejTT01EnAAg-00281-00056224-00056382 but doesn't mean you have a right to a ejTT01EnAAg-00282-00056383-00056663 military style assault killing machine ejTT01EnAAg-00283-00056664-00056991 with magazines that allow for multi uh ejTT01EnAAg-00284-00056991-00057223 shootings so that that goes beyond what ejTT01EnAAg-00285-00057224-00057575 the right in 1789 that was written for ejTT01EnAAg-00286-00057576-00057903 an agrarian society in a hunting society ejTT01EnAAg-00287-00057904-00058159 and in a society that just used to have ejTT01EnAAg-00288-00058160-00058359 english troops come in and take their ejTT01EnAAg-00289-00058360-00058694 houses to to use as as dorms for the ejTT01EnAAg-00290-00058695-00058863 british soldiers that's a whole ejTT01EnAAg-00291-00058864-00059023 different world and the reason the ejTT01EnAAg-00292-00059024-00059230 constitution is a strong document is ejTT01EnAAg-00293-00059232-00059423 because it's living and breathing and it ejTT01EnAAg-00294-00059424-00059647 can change with the times and it is ejTT01EnAAg-00295-00059648-00059871 elastic and everything that was written ejTT01EnAAg-00296-00059872-00060199 in 1789 it does does not apply today as ejTT01EnAAg-00297-00060200-00060350 a matter of fact when they said then all ejTT01EnAAg-00298-00060351-00060526 men are created equal they meant men ejTT01EnAAg-00299-00060527-00060703 they didn't mean black men they didn't ejTT01EnAAg-00300-00060704-00060935 mean women they didn't they meant white ejTT01EnAAg-00301-00060936-00061126 men that of course no one would argue ejTT01EnAAg-00302-00061127-00061271 that the constitution doesn't protect ejTT01EnAAg-00303-00061272-00061526 all of us today so the constitution is a ejTT01EnAAg-00304-00061527-00061759 changing document and no one is saying ejTT01EnAAg-00305-00061760-00061903 that we should confiscate guns or that ejTT01EnAAg-00306-00061904-00062030 citizens shouldn't have the right to ejTT01EnAAg-00307-00062032-00062199 bear arms you shouldn't have the right ejTT01EnAAg-00308-00062200-00062487 to do is have military style assault ejTT01EnAAg-00309-00062488-00062711 killing machines that could be so easily ejTT01EnAAg-00310-00062712-00062894 accessed by anyone in this country ejTT01EnAAg-00311-00062895-00063094 including the mentally ill that needs to ejTT01EnAAg-00312-00063095-00063279 be a whole picture of this thing we need ejTT01EnAAg-00313-00063279-00063438 to deal with the mentally ill better we ejTT01EnAAg-00314-00063439-00063575 need to deal with the violence in the ejTT01EnAAg-00315-00063576-00063775 video games in hollywood better and we ejTT01EnAAg-00316-00063776-00064006 need to yes have limits to what these ejTT01EnAAg-00317-00064007-00064230 weapons can do now i wish we had canned ejTT01EnAAg-00318-00064232-00064406 applause because right now it should be ejTT01EnAAg-00319-00064407-00064630 like the national anthem thing i loved ejTT01EnAAg-00320-00064632-00064823 it i loved it no i disagree with ejTT01EnAAg-00321-00064824-00064950 everything you say but yeah really i ejTT01EnAAg-00322-00064951-00065111 know you're doing this ejTT01EnAAg-00323-00065112-00065287 i know you do but here's what i do agree ejTT01EnAAg-00324-00065288-00065511 with you is that yes the governor's ejTT01EnAAg-00325-00065512-00065655 numbers might have dropped and where did ejTT01EnAAg-00326-00065656-00065831 they drop they dropped amongst ejTT01EnAAg-00327-00065832-00066055 republicans they they dropped amongst ejTT01EnAAg-00328-00066056-00066182 people that considered themselves ejTT01EnAAg-00329-00066183-00066375 far-right republicans they dropped in ejTT01EnAAg-00330-00066376-00066663 some rural areas but he's still at at 60 ejTT01EnAAg-00331-00066664-00066894 plus percent and in in long island and ejTT01EnAAg-00332-00066895-00067087 in erie county he's you know still in ejTT01EnAAg-00333-00067088-00067367 the 70s and so i think that he's he he ejTT01EnAAg-00334-00067368-00067535 is going to be re-elected governor and i ejTT01EnAAg-00335-00067536-00067719 think that isn't going to hurt his ejTT01EnAAg-00336-00067720-00067926 future as some democrat said in fred ejTT01EnAAg-00337-00067927-00068111 dicker's uh column yesterday that ejTT01EnAAg-00338-00068112-00068294 somehow that would hurt him as a his ejTT01EnAAg-00339-00068295-00068559 future if he doesn't have a strong race ejTT01EnAAg-00340-00068560-00068679 he's not going to have a strong race ejTT01EnAAg-00341-00068680-00068815 because the republicans have no one to ejTT01EnAAg-00342-00068816-00069047 challenge him he's been able to to come ejTT01EnAAg-00343-00069048-00069287 together and do well in this legislature ejTT01EnAAg-00344-00069288-00069503 because the majority of new yorkers ejTT01EnAAg-00345-00069504-00069775 support his common sense positions that ejTT01EnAAg-00346-00069776-00069991 is why he's doing well in the polls and ejTT01EnAAg-00347-00069992-00070199 it's this loud minority that is ejTT01EnAAg-00348-00070200-00070391 substantial and they are extreme and ejTT01EnAAg-00349-00070392-00070519 there's money and there's outside ejTT01EnAAg-00350-00070520-00070694 interests that want to rev this up for ejTT01EnAAg-00351-00070695-00070903 other reasons so you're going to see you ejTT01EnAAg-00352-00070904-00071063 know a lot of this in these in these ejTT01EnAAg-00353-00071064-00071279 county legislatures but in the end the ejTT01EnAAg-00354-00071280-00071550 safe act was strong and good and sound ejTT01EnAAg-00355-00071551-00071750 common sense uh ejTT01EnAAg-00356-00071751-00071950 legislation that i think will will ejTT01EnAAg-00357-00071951-00072150 continue to stay on the books what else ejTT01EnAAg-00358-00072151-00072375 to say steve pidgeon thanks so much for ejTT01EnAAg-00359-00072376-00072503 coming on two sides we have to take a ejTT01EnAAg-00360-00072504-00072831 quick break up next matt sabuda will be ejTT01EnAAg-00361-00072832-00072950 chatting about ejTT01EnAAg-00362-00072951-00073143 things going on in the nfl and could a ejTT01EnAAg-00363-00073144-00073287 downtown stadium be coming right here ejTT01EnAAg-00364-00073288-00073631 for our bills what's up next ejTT01EnAAg-00365-00073632-00073887 hurt in a car call william matar ejTT01EnAAg-00366-00073888-00074094 everybody knows the number you can dial ejTT01EnAAg-00367-00074095-00074335 it at any time dial floor for your ejTT01EnAAg-00368-00074336-00074606 rights or for peace of mind four for ejTT01EnAAg-00369-00074607-00074862 results four for your family four for ejTT01EnAAg-00370-00074863-00075071 your future four for the money you ejTT01EnAAg-00371-00075072-00075311 deserve and dial four for the no fee ejTT01EnAAg-00372-00075312-00075423 guarantee ejTT01EnAAg-00373-00075424-00075687 hurt in the car call william guitar and ejTT01EnAAg-00374-00075688-00076262 get the no fee guarantee 444-4444 ejTT01EnAAg-00375-00076263-00076647 helping people it's what we do ejTT01EnAAg-00376-00076648-00076847 it's a paddock's 78th anniversary ejTT01EnAAg-00377-00076848-00077006 exclusive bring in your trade and leave ejTT01EnAAg-00378-00077007-00077238 with a brand new equinox for just 199 a ejTT01EnAAg-00379-00077239-00077462 month no gimmicks no games gotta trade ejTT01EnAAg-00380-00077463-00077662 you qualify it's a no money down deal ejTT01EnAAg-00381-00077663-00077871 for everyone no taxes no first payment ejTT01EnAAg-00382-00077872-00078079 no security deposit no fine print no ejTT01EnAAg-00383-00078080-00078255 special programs nothing down but your ejTT01EnAAg-00384-00078256-00078438 trade no matter the year miles or ejTT01EnAAg-00385-00078439-00078615 condition replace that whole clunker and ejTT01EnAAg-00386-00078616-00078791 step into a brand new equinox for just ejTT01EnAAg-00387-00078792-00079023 199 a month qualify for lease conquest ejTT01EnAAg-00388-00079024-00079231 gm card top off or a private offer ejTT01EnAAg-00389-00079232-00079431 you'll pay less everyone qualifies but ejTT01EnAAg-00390-00079432-00079703 only at paddock chevrolet ejTT01EnAAg-00391-00079704-00079855 hey welcome back to two sides christine ejTT01EnAAg-00392-00079856-00080119 missouri here and i'm michael caputo wow ejTT01EnAAg-00393-00080120-00080406 another uh hot topic too um you know ejTT01EnAAg-00394-00080407-00080647 will we see a downtown stadium digs for ejTT01EnAAg-00395-00080648-00080862 the bills matsubuda here a lot of things ejTT01EnAAg-00396-00080863-00081182 going on um around the nfl i mean just ejTT01EnAAg-00397-00081183-00081479 to get locally this coming week on ejTT01EnAAg-00398-00081480-00081655 thursday erie county legislature ejTT01EnAAg-00399-00081656-00081831 chairperson betty jean grant and ejTT01EnAAg-00400-00081832-00082216 legislator hopes sponsoring a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00000-00000136-00000390 okay now we come to the second part of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00001-00000391-00000495 the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00002-00000496-00000919 uh mobility industry um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00003-00000919-00001150 driver forcing and that's the electrical ekuSTJa_Pzg-00004-00001151-00001239 power ekuSTJa_Pzg-00005-00001240-00001487 which the the other part of course was ekuSTJa_Pzg-00006-00001488-00001759 the ai and the self-driving features ekuSTJa_Pzg-00007-00001760-00001967 and the electrical power is possibly not ekuSTJa_Pzg-00008-00001968-00002142 as revolutionary as the others because ekuSTJa_Pzg-00009-00002143-00002334 it's been around for a while ekuSTJa_Pzg-00010-00002335-00002623 but finally batteries are getting cheap ekuSTJa_Pzg-00011-00002624-00002679 enough ekuSTJa_Pzg-00012-00002680-00002895 and that is really becoming a very ekuSTJa_Pzg-00013-00002896-00003063 viable technology ekuSTJa_Pzg-00014-00003064-00003406 we saw in the previous section on the gm ekuSTJa_Pzg-00015-00003407-00003783 uh driving forces that um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00016-00003784-00004031 the reason why people liked say teslas ekuSTJa_Pzg-00017-00004032-00004086 or ekuSTJa_Pzg-00018-00004087-00004351 current electrical vehicles was actually ekuSTJa_Pzg-00019-00004352-00004406 the the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00020-00004407-00004711 ease of drive the funness of the driving ekuSTJa_Pzg-00021-00004712-00004767 because ekuSTJa_Pzg-00022-00004768-00005038 the had such excellent acceleration so ekuSTJa_Pzg-00023-00005039-00005199 electrical motors ekuSTJa_Pzg-00024-00005200-00005438 have significant advantage over internal ekuSTJa_Pzg-00025-00005439-00005551 combustion ekuSTJa_Pzg-00026-00005552-00005751 engines and given how simple they are ekuSTJa_Pzg-00027-00005752-00005959 compared to a complex ekuSTJa_Pzg-00028-00005960-00006175 internal combustion engine it's a little ekuSTJa_Pzg-00029-00006176-00006343 surprising actually electrical power ekuSTJa_Pzg-00030-00006344-00006503 didn't come along earlier ekuSTJa_Pzg-00031-00006504-00006719 the reason must simply be batteries the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00032-00006720-00006831 batteries ekuSTJa_Pzg-00033-00006831-00007119 are so heavy that they just become good ekuSTJa_Pzg-00034-00007120-00007206 enough to work ekuSTJa_Pzg-00035-00007208-00007534 but they really have ekuSTJa_Pzg-00036-00007536-00007742 you just press the accelerator on my ekuSTJa_Pzg-00037-00007743-00007942 tesla and you realize there's a huge ekuSTJa_Pzg-00038-00007943-00008039 difference ekuSTJa_Pzg-00039-00008040-00008287 from uh internal combustion engines ekuSTJa_Pzg-00040-00008288-00008471 although of course ferraris go quite ekuSTJa_Pzg-00041-00008472-00008599 fast with internal ekuSTJa_Pzg-00042-00008600-00008839 combustion engines all right so let's ekuSTJa_Pzg-00043-00008840-00009135 move on ekuSTJa_Pzg-00044-00009136-00009495 so here is uh the global feet of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00045-00009496-00009783 electrical vehicles getting up to 127 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00046-00009784-00009887 million ekuSTJa_Pzg-00047-00009888-00010151 by 2030 as usual with these graphs ekuSTJa_Pzg-00048-00010152-00010255 they're sort of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00049-00010256-00010519 metaphysical in that there are lots of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00050-00010520-00010703 assumptions built into them ekuSTJa_Pzg-00051-00010704-00010878 but they're illustrative of what people ekuSTJa_Pzg-00052-00010879-00011006 think if anything like ekuSTJa_Pzg-00053-00011007-00011327 my impression is more and more driving ekuSTJa_Pzg-00054-00011328-00011487 forces are going to the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00055-00011488-00011670 more more horses are jumping to the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00056-00011671-00011806 electrical side ekuSTJa_Pzg-00057-00011807-00012167 from the internal combustion side um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00058-00012168-00012470 so and we notice that gm ekuSTJa_Pzg-00059-00012471-00012886 has 20 new electrical vehicles in 2023 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00060-00012887-00013430 gm 20 there we are 20. ekuSTJa_Pzg-00061-00013431-00013871 so it's getting pretty popular ekuSTJa_Pzg-00062-00013872-00014279 now as well as automobiles which we ekuSTJa_Pzg-00063-00014280-00014438 we can look at trucks we mentioned ekuSTJa_Pzg-00064-00014440-00014591 trucks already ekuSTJa_Pzg-00065-00014591-00014815 um they have interesting features ekuSTJa_Pzg-00066-00014816-00014983 compared to cars ekuSTJa_Pzg-00067-00014984-00015230 uh they tend to drive on more regular ekuSTJa_Pzg-00068-00015231-00015303 trucks these ekuSTJa_Pzg-00069-00015304-00015630 large trucks drive on rather um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00070-00015631-00015750 straightforward boots because that's ekuSTJa_Pzg-00071-00015751-00015911 sort of like a train train set for ekuSTJa_Pzg-00072-00015912-00016279 running train drone trucks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00073-00016280-00016567 rail tracks but and trucks go on ekuSTJa_Pzg-00074-00016568-00016783 ordinary roads but they tend to use the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00075-00016784-00016927 roads like route ekuSTJa_Pzg-00076-00016928-00017222 like railroads they tend to very they ekuSTJa_Pzg-00077-00017223-00017494 don't go on all possible roads ekuSTJa_Pzg-00078-00017495-00017622 uh that's a little different from the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00079-00017623-00017879 ups delivery trucks before the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00080-00017880-00018063 postal service delivery trucks which go ekuSTJa_Pzg-00081-00018064-00018199 everywhere ekuSTJa_Pzg-00082-00018200-00018511 and now if we go to e-trucks uh they uh ekuSTJa_Pzg-00083-00018512-00018830 satisfy the need for stricter emissions ekuSTJa_Pzg-00084-00018831-00019143 and um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00085-00019144-00019543 the fact that uh it just costs a lot ekuSTJa_Pzg-00086-00019544-00019886 to to buy into trucks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00087-00019887-00020271 um and you can look at ekuSTJa_Pzg-00088-00020272-00020671 these two classes the ups usps ekuSTJa_Pzg-00089-00020672-00020943 class the short deliveries these are ekuSTJa_Pzg-00090-00020944-00021135 running around bloomington delivering ekuSTJa_Pzg-00091-00021136-00021294 things all day ekuSTJa_Pzg-00092-00021295-00021750 and um although we as well see later we ekuSTJa_Pzg-00093-00021751-00021935 expect these trucks to come along at all ekuSTJa_Pzg-00094-00021936-00022071 distances ekuSTJa_Pzg-00095-00022072-00022407 um there are various costing ekuSTJa_Pzg-00096-00022408-00022719 and infrastructure like chargers which ekuSTJa_Pzg-00097-00022720-00022791 make it ekuSTJa_Pzg-00098-00022792-00022999 more is somewhat easier to do for the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00099-00023000-00023199 short distance first ekuSTJa_Pzg-00100-00023200-00023527 um yeah ekuSTJa_Pzg-00101-00023528-00023767 this number here surprises me that there ekuSTJa_Pzg-00102-00023768-00023919 are actually so many ekuSTJa_Pzg-00103-00023920-00024214 over ten percent of the guests as many ekuSTJa_Pzg-00104-00024215-00024278 guest ekuSTJa_Pzg-00105-00024279-00024455 charges there are gas stations that's ekuSTJa_Pzg-00106-00024456-00024639 certainly not true in indiana ekuSTJa_Pzg-00107-00024640-00024839 the number of useful charges is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00108-00024840-00024975 negligible ekuSTJa_Pzg-00109-00024976-00025183 um it's counts on you know what it is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00110-00025184-00025358 maybe a hundred or something i don't ekuSTJa_Pzg-00111-00025359-00025558 know what it is it's natural ekuSTJa_Pzg-00112-00025559-00025799 and the whole parts of indiana were no ekuSTJa_Pzg-00113-00025800-00026014 no useful um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00114-00026016-00026455 charges so here is the electric truck ekuSTJa_Pzg-00115-00026456-00026695 sales ekuSTJa_Pzg-00116-00026695-00027014 hundred um in two thousand in 2026 and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00117-00027016-00027214 it's growing like all these ekuSTJa_Pzg-00118-00027216-00027623 exponentials thirty percent per year ekuSTJa_Pzg-00119-00027624-00027935 and here this is um about ekuSTJa_Pzg-00120-00027936-00028358 um greenhouse gas emissions by economic ekuSTJa_Pzg-00121-00028360-00028470 segment ekuSTJa_Pzg-00122-00028472-00028895 and its uh transportation is 28 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00123-00028895-00029183 so cutting that down to zero will make a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00124-00029183-00029462 non-trivial difference ekuSTJa_Pzg-00125-00029463-00029918 um okay so ekuSTJa_Pzg-00126-00029919-00030102 if you're on a short distance charging ekuSTJa_Pzg-00127-00030103-00030311 is a lot easier because you either ekuSTJa_Pzg-00128-00030312-00030551 you don't drive these giant because ekuSTJa_Pzg-00129-00030552-00030727 you're running around ekuSTJa_Pzg-00130-00030727-00031070 um you don't drive long distances and by ekuSTJa_Pzg-00131-00031072-00031158 the way ekuSTJa_Pzg-00132-00031160-00031343 electrical motors are more efficient for ekuSTJa_Pzg-00133-00031344-00031502 the stop and go ekuSTJa_Pzg-00134-00031503-00031823 um scenario and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00135-00031824-00032062 it's running around bloomington than uh ekuSTJa_Pzg-00136-00032063-00032351 compared to internal combustion engines ekuSTJa_Pzg-00137-00032352-00032695 and so you don't go as big a distance ekuSTJa_Pzg-00138-00032695-00033007 and you will always be in the nearer ekuSTJa_Pzg-00139-00033008-00033183 charger and you'll probably almost ekuSTJa_Pzg-00140-00033184-00033318 certainly be able to just charge ekuSTJa_Pzg-00141-00033319-00033662 overnight ekuSTJa_Pzg-00142-00033663-00033967 all right so if we go to continue this ekuSTJa_Pzg-00143-00033968-00034279 um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00144-00034280-00034631 we have the cost and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00145-00034632-00034951 medium trucks uh have smaller batteries ekuSTJa_Pzg-00146-00034952-00035190 and there's the batteries are primary ekuSTJa_Pzg-00147-00035191-00035455 driver of the additional cost of an ekuSTJa_Pzg-00148-00035456-00035783 of a electric uh truck that's pretty ekuSTJa_Pzg-00149-00035784-00035902 important ekuSTJa_Pzg-00150-00035903-00036255 as i pointed out um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00151-00036256-00036446 running around bloomington you may get ekuSTJa_Pzg-00152-00036447-00036767 up to 100 250 miles but not ekuSTJa_Pzg-00153-00036768-00037095 up to 400 miles and so you can you will ekuSTJa_Pzg-00154-00037096-00037343 just have to recharge once a day ekuSTJa_Pzg-00155-00037344-00037543 i pointed out stop and go is more ekuSTJa_Pzg-00156-00037544-00037751 efficient for electrical ekuSTJa_Pzg-00157-00037752-00038102 vehicles than internal combustion ekuSTJa_Pzg-00158-00038103-00038439 um the long-haul weights so ekuSTJa_Pzg-00159-00038440-00038623 these classes haven't but that's called ekuSTJa_Pzg-00160-00038624-00038815 classes seven and eight ekuSTJa_Pzg-00161-00038816-00039359 uh will take longer and um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00162-00039360-00039662 they need lots of battery and that means ekuSTJa_Pzg-00163-00039663-00040007 higher upfront costs and um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00164-00040008-00040318 tesla has a semi ekuSTJa_Pzg-00165-00040319-00040607 large semi truck and it's meant to be ekuSTJa_Pzg-00166-00040608-00040799 around 150 000 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00167-00040800-00041230 compared to a diesel truck at 120. ekuSTJa_Pzg-00168-00041231-00041423 um because they're heavy you may not be ekuSTJa_Pzg-00169-00041424-00041615 able to carry as much ekuSTJa_Pzg-00170-00041616-00041983 and we need also um charges which are ekuSTJa_Pzg-00171-00041984-00042207 suitable we need to take the text the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00172-00042208-00042479 superchargers are not positioned ekuSTJa_Pzg-00173-00042480-00042711 suitably for suitably for trucks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00174-00042712-00042887 you wouldn't be able to park your truck ekuSTJa_Pzg-00175-00042888-00043055 without um blocking ekuSTJa_Pzg-00176-00043056-00043287 all the superchargers in the in the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00177-00043288-00043558 little collection ekuSTJa_Pzg-00178-00043559-00043967 and here we have a typical supercharger ekuSTJa_Pzg-00179-00043968-00044158 claims will take eight hours to charge a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00180-00044159-00044335 heavy juicer truck that's obviously ekuSTJa_Pzg-00181-00044336-00044511 unacceptable ekuSTJa_Pzg-00182-00044512-00044830 all right here is a sort of summary and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00183-00044831-00044911 um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00184-00044912-00045215 blue is medium red is heavy ekuSTJa_Pzg-00185-00045216-00045551 and this is the parity between ekuSTJa_Pzg-00186-00045552-00045774 electric trucks and diesels and so we ekuSTJa_Pzg-00187-00045775-00045879 see ekuSTJa_Pzg-00188-00045880-00046318 um initial cost it will be 2030 before ekuSTJa_Pzg-00189-00046319-00046711 there's parity for the um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00190-00046712-00047079 any of the trucks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00191-00047080-00047374 uh cast it will actually be first even ekuSTJa_Pzg-00192-00047375-00047423 before ekuSTJa_Pzg-00193-00047424-00047646 2030 for heavy duty trucks i'm not ekuSTJa_Pzg-00194-00047647-00047815 certain how much we really know about ekuSTJa_Pzg-00195-00047816-00047902 that ekuSTJa_Pzg-00196-00047903-00048199 operating cost you can see actually ekuSTJa_Pzg-00197-00048200-00048351 between 2020 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00198-00048352-00048718 and 2025 all everything will be sort of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00199-00048719-00048935 okay the maximum daily range is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00200-00048936-00049083 non-trivial ekuSTJa_Pzg-00201-00049084-00049439 and that will not be competitive between ekuSTJa_Pzg-00202-00049440-00049799 till 2030 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00203-00049800-00050286 so you can see as long as you um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00204-00050287-00050551 don't need huge range and you can afford ekuSTJa_Pzg-00205-00050552-00050615 something ekuSTJa_Pzg-00206-00050616-00050830 increased initial cost because you might ekuSTJa_Pzg-00207-00050831-00050918 have other ekuSTJa_Pzg-00208-00050919-00051143 cost savings later on plus you might ekuSTJa_Pzg-00209-00051144-00051479 have to satisfy regulations ekuSTJa_Pzg-00210-00051479-00051719 about greenhouse gases and things and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00211-00051720-00051902 carbon neutrality ekuSTJa_Pzg-00212-00051903-00052087 that means you would like to invest in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00213-00052088-00052407 e-trucks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00214-00052408-00052719 all right so there's some sort of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00215-00052720-00053054 interesting discussion in trucking about ekuSTJa_Pzg-00216-00053055-00053335 whether there's a problem with drivers ekuSTJa_Pzg-00217-00053336-00053679 namely there was a general comment about ekuSTJa_Pzg-00218-00053679-00053903 um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00219-00053904-00054159 new technologies they put take away the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00220-00054160-00054294 old jobs ekuSTJa_Pzg-00221-00054295-00054535 now the optimists will say they will ekuSTJa_Pzg-00222-00054536-00054687 create new jobs ekuSTJa_Pzg-00223-00054688-00055079 which are which uh is equal in number to ekuSTJa_Pzg-00224-00055079-00055294 the old jobs they're just different ekuSTJa_Pzg-00225-00055295-00055575 um in the case of trucking um my mother ekuSTJa_Pzg-00226-00055576-00055887 the new job as well they'll be the uh ekuSTJa_Pzg-00227-00055888-00056182 i don't know the manager of the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00228-00056183-00056326 supercharger ekuSTJa_Pzg-00229-00056327-00056654 station or the um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00230-00056655-00056894 writer of the software but the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00231-00056895-00057103 interesting thing is there already is a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00232-00057104-00057326 shortage of drivers which says that the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00233-00057327-00057535 current younger generation ekuSTJa_Pzg-00234-00057536-00058023 doesn't want to drive trucks and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00235-00058024-00058335 actually the the the salary for ekuSTJa_Pzg-00236-00058336-00058615 drivers is going up recently just to be ekuSTJa_Pzg-00237-00058616-00058703 able to ekuSTJa_Pzg-00238-00058704-00058911 be able to get the current trucks on the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00239-00058912-00059054 road ekuSTJa_Pzg-00240-00059055-00059375 so there's this interesting ekuSTJa_Pzg-00241-00059376-00059679 thing called platooning which says that ekuSTJa_Pzg-00242-00059679-00060126 as a stop gap between ekuSTJa_Pzg-00243-00060127-00060423 full self-driving trucks and now you ekuSTJa_Pzg-00244-00060424-00060566 could actually have a collection of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00245-00060567-00060782 trucks maybe half a dozen ekuSTJa_Pzg-00246-00060783-00061175 and you would link them together ekuSTJa_Pzg-00247-00061176-00061366 and control them with a single human ekuSTJa_Pzg-00248-00061367-00061550 being that's a pretty scary actually if ekuSTJa_Pzg-00249-00061551-00061671 i was ekuSTJa_Pzg-00250-00061672-00061935 driving a semi's pretty scary to drive ekuSTJa_Pzg-00251-00061936-00062054 six semis ekuSTJa_Pzg-00252-00062055-00062254 in a complicated situation i'm not ekuSTJa_Pzg-00253-00062255-00062479 certain i'd ever want to do that ekuSTJa_Pzg-00254-00062479-00062919 um so anyway this ekuSTJa_Pzg-00255-00062920-00063238 peloton startup company has an automatic ekuSTJa_Pzg-00256-00063239-00063423 platooning system ekuSTJa_Pzg-00257-00063424-00063687 and you have to obviously be very ekuSTJa_Pzg-00258-00063688-00063782 careful ekuSTJa_Pzg-00259-00063783-00064054 you can't go gallivanting down the down ekuSTJa_Pzg-00260-00064055-00064166 a hill ekuSTJa_Pzg-00261-00064167-00064406 and have six trucks piling in on top of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00262-00064407-00064671 each other all sorts of things happening ekuSTJa_Pzg-00263-00064672-00065038 um and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00264-00065039-00065230 it's not it may not even be possible ekuSTJa_Pzg-00265-00065232-00065454 that's a big and they will stretch over ekuSTJa_Pzg-00266-00065455-00065543 very different ekuSTJa_Pzg-00267-00065544-00065791 physical environments and that somehow ekuSTJa_Pzg-00268-00065792-00065967 what you do with the lead truck may not ekuSTJa_Pzg-00269-00065968-00066055 be the correct ekuSTJa_Pzg-00270-00066056-00066303 thing to do with the back end truck so ekuSTJa_Pzg-00271-00066304-00066503 i'm not so certain this actually works ekuSTJa_Pzg-00272-00066504-00066623 but we'll see ekuSTJa_Pzg-00273-00066624-00066782 i don't think it's actually used in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00274-00066783-00066967 practice at the moment ekuSTJa_Pzg-00275-00066968-00067303 and here is this survey of the trucking ekuSTJa_Pzg-00276-00067304-00067503 industry's um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00277-00067504-00067711 concerns and they point out that their ekuSTJa_Pzg-00278-00067712-00067831 current ekuSTJa_Pzg-00279-00067832-00068182 dominant problem is driver shortage and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00280-00068183-00068391 there are all sorts of other ones like ekuSTJa_Pzg-00281-00068392-00068575 salary which is related to shortage ekuSTJa_Pzg-00282-00068576-00069238 because salary goes up um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00283-00069239-00069647 and so anyway the the other that's just ekuSTJa_Pzg-00284-00069648-00069799 a host of problems none of these are ekuSTJa_Pzg-00285-00069800-00069847 actually ekuSTJa_Pzg-00286-00069848-00070111 huge numbers for 14.8 percent is not a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00287-00070112-00070238 very big number ekuSTJa_Pzg-00288-00070239-00070415 compared to some other numbers you have ekuSTJa_Pzg-00289-00070416-00070631 when you do polling ekuSTJa_Pzg-00290-00070632-00070982 um now here's another feature here ekuSTJa_Pzg-00291-00070983-00071167 it's another view of the trucking ekuSTJa_Pzg-00292-00071168-00071359 industry which is there's a recession at ekuSTJa_Pzg-00293-00071360-00071871 the moment ekuSTJa_Pzg-00294-00071872-00072311 in 2018 there were lots of new truck ekuSTJa_Pzg-00295-00072312-00072599 drivers i did 56 000 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00296-00072600-00072831 and lots of people started their own ekuSTJa_Pzg-00297-00072832-00073015 trucking companies and so on but then ekuSTJa_Pzg-00298-00073016-00073103 certainly ekuSTJa_Pzg-00299-00073104-00073271 for some reason i don't know why there ekuSTJa_Pzg-00300-00073272-00073543 was a recession maybe people just ekuSTJa_Pzg-00301-00073544-00073782 added too many trucks i don't know ekuSTJa_Pzg-00302-00073783-00074071 anyway 640 trucking companies went out ekuSTJa_Pzg-00303-00074072-00074238 of business in the first ekuSTJa_Pzg-00304-00074239-00074567 six months of 2019 which was twice the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00305-00074568-00074815 failures of 2018 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00306-00074816-00075143 and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00307-00075144-00075511 in 2019 and not the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00308-00075512-00075959 number of um jobs also went down ekuSTJa_Pzg-00309-00075960-00076335 um and in fact in 2020 there's going to ekuSTJa_Pzg-00310-00076336-00076526 be a continuing ekuSTJa_Pzg-00311-00076527-00076711 drop in orders look here the changing ekuSTJa_Pzg-00312-00076712-00076943 orders 2018 they ordered ekuSTJa_Pzg-00313-00076944-00077367 500 000 in 2019 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00314-00077368-00077719 less than 200 and they expect 2020 to be ekuSTJa_Pzg-00315-00077720-00077903 worse than 2019. ekuSTJa_Pzg-00316-00077904-00078062 so it does look as though people have ekuSTJa_Pzg-00317-00078063-00078303 been a little this is a remarkable ekuSTJa_Pzg-00318-00078304-00078599 variation here ekuSTJa_Pzg-00319-00078600-00078791 it doesn't sound quite rational you'd ekuSTJa_Pzg-00320-00078792-00078975 expect it to be ekuSTJa_Pzg-00321-00078976-00079319 more like small sort of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00322-00079320-00079711 average um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00323-00079712-00079919 insurance rates have contributed a bit ekuSTJa_Pzg-00324-00079920-00080062 to this ekuSTJa_Pzg-00325-00080063-00080391 and because uh ekuSTJa_Pzg-00326-00080392-00080550 these trucking companies are deep ekuSTJa_Pzg-00327-00080551-00080767 pockets so uh juries of war ekuSTJa_Pzg-00328-00080768-00081079 giant giant awards assuming the tracking ekuSTJa_Pzg-00329-00081080-00081447 company will just pay up ekuSTJa_Pzg-00330-00081448-00081743 uh when their driver is uh guilty of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00331-00081744-00081806 some ekuSTJa_Pzg-00332-00081807-00082143 driving mistake so anyway ekuSTJa_Pzg-00333-00082144-00082494 i think tracking is tricky i'm not even ekuSTJa_Pzg-00334-00082495-00082518 so ekuSTJa_Pzg-00335-00082519-00082711 i think i might prefer just simple ekuSTJa_Pzg-00336-00082712-00082911 self-driving trucks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00337-00082912-00083135 and they then view the freeways like ekuSTJa_Pzg-00338-00083136-00083311 railroads where you have self-driving ekuSTJa_Pzg-00339-00083312-00083415 trucks on them ekuSTJa_Pzg-00340-00083416-00083631 then you have to have self-driving cars ekuSTJa_Pzg-00341-00083632-00083903 clever enough ekuSTJa_Pzg-00342-00083904-00084175 here's another sort of random remark ekuSTJa_Pzg-00343-00084176-00084355 which is tesla's ekuSTJa_Pzg-00344-00084356-00084711 capitalization compared to volkswagen ekuSTJa_Pzg-00345-00084712-00085015 so as uh in early 2020 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00346-00085016-00085326 tesla passed volkswagen ekuSTJa_Pzg-00347-00085327-00085647 in valuation volkswagen was um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00348-00085648-00085935 really this was january 28th and tesla ekuSTJa_Pzg-00349-00085936-00086006 became ekuSTJa_Pzg-00350-00086007-00086318 almost 100 billion dollars um actually ekuSTJa_Pzg-00351-00086319-00086471 continued going up and is now ekuSTJa_Pzg-00352-00086472-00086806 up here it's now and february 4th at 158 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00353-00086807-00086879 billion ekuSTJa_Pzg-00354-00086880-00087150 that's some sort of bubble which might ekuSTJa_Pzg-00355-00087151-00087326 don't bubble itself but anyway test is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00356-00087327-00087455 now worth quite a lot ekuSTJa_Pzg-00357-00087456-00087606 because it's actually successful it's ekuSTJa_Pzg-00358-00087607-00087871 making money it seems to have ekuSTJa_Pzg-00359-00087872-00088055 it's on a roll with a new factory in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00360-00088056-00088215 china and so on ekuSTJa_Pzg-00361-00088216-00088487 and it's amazing now that you know gm is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00362-00088488-00088711 48 billion ekuSTJa_Pzg-00363-00088712-00089015 um tesla is much larger than gm ekuSTJa_Pzg-00364-00089016-00089431 plus ford remarkable ekuSTJa_Pzg-00365-00089432-00089911 and um and then here is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00366-00089912-00090199 volkswagen's own chief exec officer says ekuSTJa_Pzg-00367-00090200-00090343 the time of the traditional ekuSTJa_Pzg-00368-00090344-00090591 car manufacturer is over i actually ekuSTJa_Pzg-00369-00090592-00090662 think gm ekuSTJa_Pzg-00370-00090663-00090926 knows that and is trying to address it ekuSTJa_Pzg-00371-00090927-00091111 but uh it's amazing ekuSTJa_Pzg-00372-00091112-00091479 even though gm in terms of people ekuSTJa_Pzg-00373-00091480-00091982 is four over four times the size of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00374-00091983-00092287 tesla gm is worth ekuSTJa_Pzg-00375-00092288-00092599 one third of tesla so there's some sort ekuSTJa_Pzg-00376-00092600-00092974 of discrepancy which is a factor of 10 ekuSTJa_Pzg-00377-00092975-00093279 in the valuations just to reflect the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00378-00093280-00093526 quality like the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00379-00093527-00093703 the value-added or quality of the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00380-00093704-00093926 company ekuSTJa_Pzg-00381-00093927-00094215 taylor tesla is focused on the up and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00382-00094216-00094343 coming things ekuSTJa_Pzg-00383-00094344-00094623 gm is wallowing in the past by gm i mean ekuSTJa_Pzg-00384-00094624-00094694 i ekuSTJa_Pzg-00385-00094695-00095094 refer to all the classic car companies ekuSTJa_Pzg-00386-00095095-00095518 now we switch to a different term ekuSTJa_Pzg-00387-00095519-00095831 topic drones here is a very pretty ekuSTJa_Pzg-00388-00095832-00096118 recent october 2019 announcement ekuSTJa_Pzg-00389-00096119-00096406 the wing which is a subsidiary of google ekuSTJa_Pzg-00390-00096407-00096471 uh ekuSTJa_Pzg-00391-00096472-00096862 delivered by drones medication snacks ekuSTJa_Pzg-00392-00096863-00096974 and gifts ekuSTJa_Pzg-00393-00096975-00097206 in this uh community christiansburg in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00394-00097207-00097311 virginia ekuSTJa_Pzg-00395-00097312-00097750 it has correctly in the us you have to ekuSTJa_Pzg-00396-00097751-00097823 get a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00397-00097824-00098135 certificate from the faa and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00398-00098136-00098271 google slash willing have that ekuSTJa_Pzg-00399-00098272-00098543 certificate and uh they were the first ekuSTJa_Pzg-00400-00098544-00098574 to ekuSTJa_Pzg-00401-00098575-00098759 have a sort of commercial delivery ekuSTJa_Pzg-00402-00098760-00099015 service to homes that stuff ekuSTJa_Pzg-00403-00099016-00099303 and they work with fedex walgreens for ekuSTJa_Pzg-00404-00099304-00099350 the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00405-00099351-00099687 medication notice this thing here ekuSTJa_Pzg-00406-00099688-00100006 it's perceived that the value of drones ekuSTJa_Pzg-00407-00100007-00100199 in medication is particularly high ekuSTJa_Pzg-00408-00100200-00100423 because it's very important to get ekuSTJa_Pzg-00409-00100424-00100855 prescriptions on time to needy patients ekuSTJa_Pzg-00410-00100856-00101150 and it may make it a lot easier we had a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00411-00101151-00101255 comment ekuSTJa_Pzg-00412-00101256-00101606 that um for this medical delivery ekuSTJa_Pzg-00413-00101607-00101974 medical um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00414-00101975-00102335 delivery services that actually when you ekuSTJa_Pzg-00415-00102336-00102367 had ekuSTJa_Pzg-00416-00102368-00102630 automatic delivery uh people took their ekuSTJa_Pzg-00417-00102631-00102902 pills uh more diligently ekuSTJa_Pzg-00418-00102903-00103094 and here we have sugar and magnolia ekuSTJa_Pzg-00419-00103095-00103286 which is basically a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00420-00103288-00103830 a uh a retailer of these um snacks and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00421-00103831-00104054 gifts which we mentioned up there ekuSTJa_Pzg-00422-00104055-00104406 and um so this is obviously the first of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00423-00104407-00104702 something she's expected to explode in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00424-00104703-00105015 importance and it had this ekuSTJa_Pzg-00425-00105016-00105207 this particular text here must have come ekuSTJa_Pzg-00426-00105208-00105358 from a press release ekuSTJa_Pzg-00427-00105359-00105575 because it said all these companies are ekuSTJa_Pzg-00428-00105576-00105766 innovative wonderful working in the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00429-00105767-00105886 public ekuSTJa_Pzg-00430-00105888-00106190 best interest and they're pictures of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00431-00106191-00106327 all these drones and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00432-00106328-00106695 related drones on the next slide so ekuSTJa_Pzg-00433-00106696-00107058 let's go to that now ekuSTJa_Pzg-00434-00107059-00107478 [Music] ekuSTJa_Pzg-00435-00107479-00107783 so here you have a wing drone ekuSTJa_Pzg-00436-00107783-00108071 and here we have a ups drone comparing ekuSTJa_Pzg-00437-00108072-00108151 them ekuSTJa_Pzg-00438-00108152-00108423 again here is the autonomous vehicle ekuSTJa_Pzg-00439-00108424-00108519 market ekuSTJa_Pzg-00440-00108520-00108878 we've seen this to graph type before and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00441-00108879-00109254 this is with um flight forward the ups ekuSTJa_Pzg-00442-00109255-00109463 people have a deal with cvs ekuSTJa_Pzg-00443-00109464-00109799 previous wing had a deal with ekuSTJa_Pzg-00444-00109800-00110239 with walgreens ekuSTJa_Pzg-00445-00110240-00110478 um and ups actually has this mandate ekuSTJa_Pzg-00446-00110479-00110734 from faa ekuSTJa_Pzg-00447-00110735-00111175 and here is um some comment of 5g is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00448-00111176-00111310 reasonably important we ekuSTJa_Pzg-00449-00111311-00111543 know we're in a technology change we're ekuSTJa_Pzg-00450-00111544-00111647 going from 4g ekuSTJa_Pzg-00451-00111648-00111951 to 5g and there's an enormous increase ekuSTJa_Pzg-00452-00111952-00112166 in performance 100 times faster and also ekuSTJa_Pzg-00453-00112167-00112199 lower ekuSTJa_Pzg-00454-00112200-00112502 latency so that'll ekuSTJa_Pzg-00455-00112503-00112695 that's a very important for drones you ekuSTJa_Pzg-00456-00112696-00112807 can not only ekuSTJa_Pzg-00457-00112808-00113102 get controls up to the drones and in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00458-00113103-00113327 greater quality and um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00459-00113328-00113631 shorter time uh you can also use the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00460-00113632-00113815 drone to gather data ekuSTJa_Pzg-00461-00113816-00114199 in a quicker time and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00462-00114200-00114447 the ai can now be more efficiently on ekuSTJa_Pzg-00463-00114448-00114590 the on the earth ekuSTJa_Pzg-00464-00114591-00114878 when if you have a very fast connection ekuSTJa_Pzg-00465-00114879-00115054 you can afford to put the ai ekuSTJa_Pzg-00466-00115055-00115366 controller on the ground and put and ekuSTJa_Pzg-00467-00115367-00115566 therefore not use up weight ekuSTJa_Pzg-00468-00115567-00115783 in the air because these these drones ekuSTJa_Pzg-00469-00115783-00115999 here do not have very high range ekuSTJa_Pzg-00470-00116000-00116283 and they're significantly limited by ekuSTJa_Pzg-00471-00116283-00116495 that ekuSTJa_Pzg-00472-00116496-00116663 and here we have low latency is ekuSTJa_Pzg-00473-00116664-00116799 important because when you're making ekuSTJa_Pzg-00474-00116800-00117023 real-time decisions the latency of the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00475-00117024-00117215 sending the message back from the drone ekuSTJa_Pzg-00476-00117216-00117302 to the ekuSTJa_Pzg-00477-00117303-00117710 base is non-trivial ekuSTJa_Pzg-00478-00117711-00118063 here's an um another this is not a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00479-00118064-00118390 not a aircraft drone it's a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00480-00118391-00118647 it's a wheel drone and this comes from ekuSTJa_Pzg-00481-00118648-00119083 yandex which is the um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00482-00119083-00119486 russian company the equivalent of google ekuSTJa_Pzg-00483-00119488-00119815 and it's um and say here's the index hq ekuSTJa_Pzg-00484-00119816-00119934 in moscow ekuSTJa_Pzg-00485-00119935-00120199 and it's basically delivering it around ekuSTJa_Pzg-00486-00120200-00120286 a large ekuSTJa_Pzg-00487-00120288-00120608 company campus that is clearly a ekuSTJa_Pzg-00488-00120609-00120758 [Music] ekuSTJa_Pzg-00489-00120759-00121110 sort of realistic thing to do ekuSTJa_Pzg-00490-00121111-00121423 compared to trying to drive on ekuSTJa_Pzg-00491-00121424-00121695 a complex dynamic road if you're just ekuSTJa_Pzg-00492-00121696-00121934 driving around the company campus ekuSTJa_Pzg-00493-00121935-00122271 that is much easier and here ekuSTJa_Pzg-00494-00122272-00122623 is uh expectation of the growth of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00495-00122624-00122823 drones in um ekuSTJa_Pzg-00496-00122824-00123302 logistics then we're not drones robots ekuSTJa_Pzg-00497-00123303-00123695 and we know that's hugely successful in ekuSTJa_Pzg-00498-00123696-00123902 amazon warehouses we've seen pictures of ekuSTJa_Pzg-00499-00123903-00124039 those before ekuSTJa_Pzg-00500-00124040-00124263 and here is the growth which is pretty ekuSTJa_Pzg-00501-00124264-00124414 fast here ekuSTJa_Pzg-00502-00124415-00124983 going up to 712 000 and 2022. ekJltQFwKPk-00000-00000144-00000799 [Music] ekJltQFwKPk-00001-00000800-00001614 what's happened ekJltQFwKPk-00002-00001616-00002102 gautama the buddha you heard of him ekJltQFwKPk-00003-00002103-00002750 yes everybody heard of gautam ekJltQFwKPk-00004-00002751-00003079 so buddha is not his name ekJltQFwKPk-00005-00003080-00003438 his name is gautama siddhartha ekJltQFwKPk-00006-00003439-00003775 he became a buddha ekJltQFwKPk-00007-00003776-00003951 so he is not the only buddha in the ekJltQFwKPk-00008-00003952-00004254 world there have been thousands of them ekJltQFwKPk-00009-00004255-00004695 and they still are ekJltQFwKPk-00010-00004696-00004886 so gautama i was sitting in a large ekJltQFwKPk-00011-00004887-00005270 congregation of people one morning ekJltQFwKPk-00012-00005271-00005767 and early morning earlier than this okay ekJltQFwKPk-00013-00005768-00006151 a man arrived and stood there in the ekJltQFwKPk-00014-00006152-00006351 shadows ekJltQFwKPk-00015-00006352-00006663 this man is a great devotee ekJltQFwKPk-00016-00006664-00006878 he is a devotee of rama you heard of ekJltQFwKPk-00017-00006879-00007127 rama ekJltQFwKPk-00018-00007128-00007503 not ramming rama ekJltQFwKPk-00019-00007504-00007863 rama is one of the most popular deities ekJltQFwKPk-00020-00007864-00008303 in india if you do not already know this ekJltQFwKPk-00021-00008304-00008527 in india we have 36 million gods and ekJltQFwKPk-00022-00008528-00008663 goddesses ekJltQFwKPk-00023-00008664-00009335 it's a very rich country ekJltQFwKPk-00024-00009336-00009814 so ekJltQFwKPk-00025-00009815-00010174 he's a great devotee of rama ekJltQFwKPk-00026-00010175-00010510 the devotees in india not now ekJltQFwKPk-00027-00010511-00010863 and not everybody but those who take ekJltQFwKPk-00028-00010864-00010935 this ekJltQFwKPk-00029-00010936-00011238 seriously they will not utter any other ekJltQFwKPk-00030-00011239-00011303 word ekJltQFwKPk-00031-00011304-00011478 than the name of god that they believe ekJltQFwKPk-00032-00011479-00011646 in ekJltQFwKPk-00033-00011647-00011831 so if they want you to come they'll say ekJltQFwKPk-00034-00011832-00012031 ramram ekJltQFwKPk-00035-00012032-00012278 they want you to go ramram if they want ekJltQFwKPk-00036-00012279-00012527 something ramram ekJltQFwKPk-00037-00012528-00012815 no other word but ram the clothes are ekJltQFwKPk-00038-00012816-00012999 all printed ramram they utter only ekJltQFwKPk-00039-00013000-00013366 ramram they live ramram ekJltQFwKPk-00040-00013368-00013727 they devoted their whole life to god ekJltQFwKPk-00041-00013728-00014030 you're smart you're not like that you ekJltQFwKPk-00042-00014031-00014071 get ekJltQFwKPk-00043-00014072-00014438 you kept god like insurance just in case ekJltQFwKPk-00044-00014440-00014630 something goes wrong i have also paid my ekJltQFwKPk-00045-00014631-00014966 premium ekJltQFwKPk-00046-00014968-00015135 everything that you need to do you do it ekJltQFwKPk-00047-00015136-00015575 yourself you kept god like insurance ekJltQFwKPk-00048-00015576-00015822 smart but this man invested his whole ekJltQFwKPk-00049-00015823-00016007 life in god ekJltQFwKPk-00050-00016008-00016455 total age is passing away ekJltQFwKPk-00051-00016456-00016775 little doubt has come ekJltQFwKPk-00052-00016776-00016935 other people here who don't believe in ekJltQFwKPk-00053-00016936-00017127 god ekJltQFwKPk-00054-00017128-00017494 nobody no leftist ekJltQFwKPk-00055-00017495-00017807 no only one ekJltQFwKPk-00056-00017808-00018143 okay what's your name john ekJltQFwKPk-00057-00018144-00019071 only john nobody else ekJltQFwKPk-00058-00019072-00019358 so a little doubt has come he knows ekJltQFwKPk-00059-00019359-00019503 there is god ekJltQFwKPk-00060-00019504-00019727 just a little doubt suppose there is no ekJltQFwKPk-00061-00019728-00019894 god ekJltQFwKPk-00062-00019895-00020111 i'm wasting my whole life doing ram ram ekJltQFwKPk-00063-00020112-00020255 ram ekJltQFwKPk-00064-00020256-00020430 see this doubt will come to you only if ekJltQFwKPk-00065-00020431-00020639 you invest all your whole life ekJltQFwKPk-00066-00020640-00020991 you invest just 10 minutes in a week ekJltQFwKPk-00067-00020992-00021143 then you will not get this doubt it's ekJltQFwKPk-00068-00021144-00021463 all right what's the problem ekJltQFwKPk-00069-00021464-00021663 if you invest your life completely into ekJltQFwKPk-00070-00021664-00021903 god then within three days doubt will ekJltQFwKPk-00071-00021904-00021999 come ekJltQFwKPk-00072-00022000-00022519 am i wasting my life just doing this ekJltQFwKPk-00073-00022520-00022855 and there are other people who don't ekJltQFwKPk-00074-00022856-00022919 believe ekJltQFwKPk-00075-00022920-00023263 see look at this john he doesn't believe ekJltQFwKPk-00076-00023264-00023503 but him also son comes up in the morning ekJltQFwKPk-00077-00023504-00023694 for him also flowers blossom ekJltQFwKPk-00078-00023695-00023999 from him also life happens looks like ekJltQFwKPk-00079-00024000-00024342 he's having a better time than me ekJltQFwKPk-00080-00024343-00024527 it's a little doubt he knows there is ekJltQFwKPk-00081-00024528-00024830 god just a little doubt ekJltQFwKPk-00082-00024831-00025007 now there is an enlightened being here ekJltQFwKPk-00083-00025008-00025263 he wants to confirm ekJltQFwKPk-00084-00025264-00025670 but after being a well-known devotee for ekJltQFwKPk-00085-00025672-00025846 a long time because he did not just go ekJltQFwKPk-00086-00025847-00026174 to the temple he built many temples ekJltQFwKPk-00087-00026175-00026455 at this stage in his life how to ask ekJltQFwKPk-00088-00026456-00026670 whether there is god or not now ekJltQFwKPk-00089-00026672-00026895 so he came early morning stood in the ekJltQFwKPk-00090-00026895-00027014 shadows there ekJltQFwKPk-00091-00027016-00027302 and asked this inevitable question is ekJltQFwKPk-00092-00027304-00027527 there god ekJltQFwKPk-00093-00027527-00027846 gautama looked at the man and gave a ekJltQFwKPk-00094-00027847-00027935 clear ekJltQFwKPk-00095-00027936-00028358 emphatic no ekJltQFwKPk-00096-00028360-00028527 here this large congregation of ekJltQFwKPk-00097-00028527-00028687 disciples ekJltQFwKPk-00098-00028688-00028879 this has always been a struggle in their ekJltQFwKPk-00099-00028880-00029095 their mind is their god or no god is ekJltQFwKPk-00100-00029095-00029343 their god or no god ekJltQFwKPk-00101-00029344-00029783 who one big relief ekJltQFwKPk-00102-00029783-00030007 whenever they ask such a question to ekJltQFwKPk-00103-00030008-00030135 gautama ekJltQFwKPk-00104-00030136-00030358 he just becomes silent he doesn't say ekJltQFwKPk-00105-00030360-00030495 anything ekJltQFwKPk-00106-00030495-00030807 for the first time he gave a clear ekJltQFwKPk-00107-00030808-00031151 answer no god ekJltQFwKPk-00108-00031152-00031527 joy spread across the congregation ekJltQFwKPk-00109-00031527-00031743 just the struggle is that god or no god ekJltQFwKPk-00110-00031744-00031902 is over the enlightened one ekJltQFwKPk-00111-00031903-00032199 has declared there is no god the message ekJltQFwKPk-00112-00032200-00032543 spread across the town ekJltQFwKPk-00113-00032544-00032846 through the day celebrations happened ekJltQFwKPk-00114-00032847-00033262 because just imagine the freedom ekJltQFwKPk-00115-00033263-00033583 of it no god means ekJltQFwKPk-00116-00033584-00033902 nobody sitting up there keeping accounts ekJltQFwKPk-00117-00033903-00034159 of what you did and what you did not do ekJltQFwKPk-00118-00034160-00034311 to punish you ekJltQFwKPk-00119-00034312-00034623 burn you in hell or do this or that life ekJltQFwKPk-00120-00034624-00035102 is completely yours ekJltQFwKPk-00121-00035103-00035407 so through the day celebrations happened ekJltQFwKPk-00122-00035408-00035774 everybody is in great joy ekJltQFwKPk-00123-00035775-00035974 the evening once again the congregation ekJltQFwKPk-00124-00035975-00036079 is sitting ekJltQFwKPk-00125-00036080-00036399 another man came ekJltQFwKPk-00126-00036400-00036727 he also standing in the shadows this man ekJltQFwKPk-00127-00036728-00036846 is a charvaka ekJltQFwKPk-00128-00036847-00037190 charvaka means in india there are groups ekJltQFwKPk-00129-00037191-00037399 of people who are known as charvakas ekJltQFwKPk-00130-00037400-00037655 these charvakas are out and out ekJltQFwKPk-00131-00037656-00037855 materialists ekJltQFwKPk-00132-00037856-00038111 they don't believe anything other than ekJltQFwKPk-00133-00038112-00038502 what they can see ekJltQFwKPk-00134-00038503-00038767 probably this is the only culture that ekJltQFwKPk-00135-00038768-00038959 allows this ekJltQFwKPk-00136-00038960-00039255 you will see actively missionaries of ekJltQFwKPk-00137-00039256-00039430 god going from village to village ekJltQFwKPk-00138-00039431-00039599 spreading ekJltQFwKPk-00139-00039600-00039911 their god message and missionaries of no ekJltQFwKPk-00140-00039912-00039959 god ekJltQFwKPk-00141-00039960-00040190 going from village to village arguing ekJltQFwKPk-00142-00040191-00040343 with people and proving to them how ekJltQFwKPk-00143-00040344-00040623 there is no god ekJltQFwKPk-00144-00040624-00040790 probably this only culture that allows ekJltQFwKPk-00145-00040791-00041183 that anywhere else they would be killed ekJltQFwKPk-00146-00041184-00041390 so if you want you can spread god or if ekJltQFwKPk-00147-00041391-00041583 you want you can spread no god ekJltQFwKPk-00148-00041584-00041935 this is true democracy you know ekJltQFwKPk-00149-00041936-00042095 this has been there like this for ekJltQFwKPk-00150-00042096-00042327 thousands of years people come and set ekJltQFwKPk-00151-00042328-00042511 up arguments in the village ekJltQFwKPk-00152-00042512-00042702 and they prove to you how there is no ekJltQFwKPk-00153-00042703-00042911 god ekJltQFwKPk-00154-00042912-00043190 so this is an expert charvaka whatever ekJltQFwKPk-00155-00043191-00043399 kind of believer you are ekJltQFwKPk-00156-00043400-00043607 if you talk to him for ten minutes he'll ekJltQFwKPk-00157-00043608-00043862 prove to you no god ekJltQFwKPk-00158-00043863-00044095 but thousands of people he's proved no ekJltQFwKPk-00159-00044096-00044390 god no god no god ekJltQFwKPk-00160-00044391-00044743 age is passing little ekJltQFwKPk-00161-00044744-00045351 doubt has come suppose there is god ekJltQFwKPk-00162-00045352-00045695 when i go there will he leave me ekJltQFwKPk-00163-00045696-00045918 and all these believers say that he's ekJltQFwKPk-00164-00045919-00046135 got all kinds of torture equipment up ekJltQFwKPk-00165-00046136-00046287 there ekJltQFwKPk-00166-00046288-00046486 so because i went about proving to ekJltQFwKPk-00167-00046487-00046599 everybody that he doesn't ekJltQFwKPk-00168-00046600-00046943 exist he may torture me much more ekJltQFwKPk-00169-00046944-00047158 he knows there is no god he's proved to ekJltQFwKPk-00170-00047159-00047374 thousands of people there is no god ekJltQFwKPk-00171-00047375-00047807 just a little doubt ekJltQFwKPk-00172-00047808-00048030 now there's an enlightened being here he ekJltQFwKPk-00173-00048031-00048199 wants to confirm ekJltQFwKPk-00174-00048200-00048583 so he appeared there in the evening ekJltQFwKPk-00175-00048584-00048830 and he asked the same inevitable ekJltQFwKPk-00176-00048831-00048895 question ekJltQFwKPk-00177-00048896-00049190 is there god gautama looked at the man ekJltQFwKPk-00178-00049191-00049486 and said yes ekJltQFwKPk-00179-00049487-00049790 once again turmoil started ekJltQFwKPk-00180-00049791-00050015 this morning he said no god they were ekJltQFwKPk-00181-00050016-00050158 all really happy ekJltQFwKPk-00182-00050159-00050511 in the evening he says there is god ekJltQFwKPk-00183-00050512-00050735 so what's the game gautama is trying to ekJltQFwKPk-00184-00050736-00051135 play ekJltQFwKPk-00185-00051136-00051470 see if you believe there is god or if ekJltQFwKPk-00186-00051471-00051535 you believe ekJltQFwKPk-00187-00051536-00051854 there is no god you are in the same boat ekJltQFwKPk-00188-00051855-00052007 you believe something that you do not ekJltQFwKPk-00189-00052008-00052375 know ekJltQFwKPk-00190-00052376-00052654 i believe this you believe that doesn't ekJltQFwKPk-00191-00052655-00052807 make any difference ekJltQFwKPk-00192-00052808-00053119 you can believe whatever you want ekJltQFwKPk-00193-00053120-00053438 yes everybody can believe whatever they ekJltQFwKPk-00194-00053439-00053519 want ekJltQFwKPk-00195-00053520-00053687 it need not have anything to do with ekJltQFwKPk-00196-00053688-00054094 reality as such ekJltQFwKPk-00197-00054095-00054447 if you see i do not know the longing to ekJltQFwKPk-00198-00054448-00054679 know will arise within you ekJltQFwKPk-00199-00054679-00054959 if the longing arises the seeking arises ekJltQFwKPk-00200-00054960-00055175 if the seeking arises the possibility of ekJltQFwKPk-00201-00055176-00055571 knowing ekJltQFwKPk-00202-00055572-00056082 [Music] ekJltQFwKPk-00203-00056083-00056247 exists ekJltQFwKPk-00204-00056248-00057766 [Music] ekJltQFwKPk-00205-00057767-00057976 you