Tp2RotxiVBo-00000-00000003-00001140 they like to roll the dice Tp2RotxiVBo-00001-00001141-00002456 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00002-00002457-00005283 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00003-00005284-00006698 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00004-00006698-00008545 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00005-00008546-00011043 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00006-00011044-00012553 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00007-00012554-00013394 [Applause] Tp2RotxiVBo-00008-00013396-00014810 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00009-00014811-00016761 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00011-00022263-00022339 [Applause] Tp2RotxiVBo-00012-00022340-00023808 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00013-00023809-00025468 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00014-00025469-00026793 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00015-00026794-00027901 [Music] Tp2RotxiVBo-00016-00027902-00028208 [Applause] Tp2RotxiVBo-00017-00028208-00028549 [Music] TPlTYajelEU-00000-00000035-00000193 foreign TPlTYajelEU-00001-00000194-00001200 [Music] TPlTYajelEU-00002-00001201-00001408 to the house committee on government TPlTYajelEU-00003-00001409-00001667 operations and Military Affairs it is TPlTYajelEU-00004-00001668-00001895 Tuesday February 14th Happy Valentine's TPlTYajelEU-00005-00001896-00002092 Day committee I would like to welcome TPlTYajelEU-00006-00002093-00002284 representative Burroughs who is here to TPlTYajelEU-00007-00002285-00002584 give us a quick intro to her bill h-180 TPlTYajelEU-00008-00002585-00002800 act relating to standardizing the TPlTYajelEU-00009-00002801-00003041 opening time of polling places so TPlTYajelEU-00010-00003042-00003221 represent Burris thanks for being with TPlTYajelEU-00011-00003222-00003419 us TPlTYajelEU-00012-00003420-00003761 coming in TPlTYajelEU-00013-00003761-00004145 present Windsor one TPlTYajelEU-00014-00004146-00004297 tons of TPlTYajelEU-00015-00004298-00004667 Heartland West Windsor and Windsor and I TPlTYajelEU-00016-00004668-00005002 represent or I reside in West Windsor TPlTYajelEU-00017-00005003-00005315 and I think that introduction is TPlTYajelEU-00018-00005316-00005670 probably longer than the bill TPlTYajelEU-00019-00005671-00005986 which simply says uh TPlTYajelEU-00020-00005987-00006256 this bill proposes to standardize the TPlTYajelEU-00021-00006257-00006491 opening time for all polling places in TPlTYajelEU-00022-00006492-00006623 the state of Vermont TPlTYajelEU-00023-00006623-00006892 all polling places in the state already TPlTYajelEU-00024-00006893-00007291 have a standardized closing time of 7 pm TPlTYajelEU-00025-00007292-00007817 and uh if you look at the TPlTYajelEU-00026-00007818-00007889 um TPlTYajelEU-00027-00007890-00008296 signers of the bill that um yeah TPlTYajelEU-00028-00008297-00008560 the bill as currently drafted TPlTYajelEU-00029-00008561-00009005 um it's uh the people who supported it TPlTYajelEU-00030-00009006-00009305 are totally tripartisan TPlTYajelEU-00031-00009306-00009701 um it's a love it or hate it Bill and uh TPlTYajelEU-00032-00009702-00009910 I'm not asking I'm asking you to set the TPlTYajelEU-00033-00009911-00010163 time if you should take this up I don't TPlTYajelEU-00034-00010164-00010355 care what the time is TPlTYajelEU-00035-00010356-00010463 um although TPlTYajelEU-00036-00010464-00010756 uh part of the reason for the bill is TPlTYajelEU-00037-00010757-00011153 that there are several if not many towns TPlTYajelEU-00038-00011154-00011638 that open uh well into the morning TPlTYajelEU-00039-00011639-00011974 which is uh and 10 30 TPlTYajelEU-00040-00011975-00012156 um which is really not Equitable for TPlTYajelEU-00041-00012157-00012406 people to be able to vote especially in TPlTYajelEU-00042-00012407-00012844 the close the polls close at seven TPlTYajelEU-00043-00012845-00013121 that's it TPlTYajelEU-00044-00013122-00013576 that's really it TPlTYajelEU-00045-00013577-00014203 [Music] TPlTYajelEU-00046-00014204-00014525 I think the the window of opening right TPlTYajelEU-00047-00014526-00014825 now ranges from somewhere I think 5am is TPlTYajelEU-00048-00014826-00015005 the earliest I know I think Huntington TPlTYajelEU-00049-00015006-00015144 actually TPlTYajelEU-00050-00015145-00015599 yeah and that's the yeah I think TPlTYajelEU-00051-00015600-00016180 Huntington opens at 5 A.M TPlTYajelEU-00052-00016181-00016499 7 A.M is uh most of the larger towns I TPlTYajelEU-00053-00016500-00016771 think that's probably the medians TPlTYajelEU-00054-00016772-00017099 uh I have I have three towns in my TPlTYajelEU-00055-00017100-00017291 district and each opens at a different TPlTYajelEU-00056-00017292-00017405 time TPlTYajelEU-00057-00017406-00017686 and uh the TPlTYajelEU-00058-00017687-00018011 not that you need a bill to TPlTYajelEU-00059-00018012-00018358 um correct the the mishandling of the TPlTYajelEU-00060-00018359-00018521 Times by the Secretary of State's office TPlTYajelEU-00061-00018522-00018713 but they're often misprinted and TPlTYajelEU-00062-00018714-00018911 different different TPlTYajelEU-00063-00018912-00019133 um types of information heading out to TPlTYajelEU-00064-00019134-00019397 the public and causing confusion TPlTYajelEU-00065-00019398-00019547 um TPlTYajelEU-00066-00019548-00019900 so that's another aspect of it TPlTYajelEU-00067-00019901-00020105 representative news um I was just TPlTYajelEU-00068-00020106-00020200 curious TPlTYajelEU-00069-00020201-00020441 um yeah if you've heard from folks in TPlTYajelEU-00070-00020442-00020633 towns that have different or you know TPlTYajelEU-00071-00020634-00020872 kind of unique opening times that that TPlTYajelEU-00072-00020873-00021197 would be helpful for them TPlTYajelEU-00073-00021198-00021472 we we had this conversation we thought TPlTYajelEU-00074-00021473-00021743 oh we're the only town that TPlTYajelEU-00075-00021744-00022085 but my one of my towns the town I live TPlTYajelEU-00076-00022086-00022307 in doesn't open until 10 and everyone TPlTYajelEU-00077-00022308-00022600 around us is either seven or eight A.M TPlTYajelEU-00078-00022601-00022999 it's two hours less voted yeah we had TPlTYajelEU-00079-00023000-00023399 our town had uh the Secretary of State's TPlTYajelEU-00080-00023400-00023843 office put out uh notice that our town TPlTYajelEU-00081-00023844-00024125 or polls opened like two hours before TPlTYajelEU-00082-00024126-00024269 they actually did TPlTYajelEU-00083-00024270-00024514 and so people but people did persevere TPlTYajelEU-00084-00024515-00024797 and come a second and third time TPlTYajelEU-00085-00024798-00025072 three times in several cases to to TPlTYajelEU-00086-00025073-00025264 actually be able to TPlTYajelEU-00087-00025265-00025925 vote so TPlTYajelEU-00088-00025926-00026183 you know not meant to stand on its own TPlTYajelEU-00089-00026183-00026423 um TPlTYajelEU-00090-00026424-00026717 well as you know uh we are going to be TPlTYajelEU-00091-00026718-00026962 hearing testimony on there's a TPlTYajelEU-00092-00026963-00027227 miscellaneous Bill we have on the table TPlTYajelEU-00093-00027227-00027358 that we're going to start taking some TPlTYajelEU-00094-00027360-00027557 testimony on in Earnest today and so I TPlTYajelEU-00095-00027558-00027695 appreciate you coming in and sharing TPlTYajelEU-00096-00027695-00028007 this additional idea for consideration I TPlTYajelEU-00097-00028008-00028151 talked to several of the clerks who are TPlTYajelEU-00098-00028152-00028361 visiting for Vermont Municipal clerks TPlTYajelEU-00099-00028362-00028546 and treasurers Association uh they were TPlTYajelEU-00100-00028547-00028733 in the card room today and there's a TPlTYajelEU-00101-00028733-00028955 variety of opinions amongst them so I'm TPlTYajelEU-00102-00028956-00029146 sure if their feedback if the committee TPlTYajelEU-00103-00029147-00029267 feels like we should take further TPlTYajelEU-00104-00029268-00029437 discussion on uh TPlTYajelEU-00105-00029438-00029812 I will say that I heard from one uh poll TPlTYajelEU-00106-00029813-00030089 operator who was upset at the idea of TPlTYajelEU-00107-00030089-00030364 being forced to open her polls later TPlTYajelEU-00108-00030366-00030545 than she already does TPlTYajelEU-00109-00030545-00031108 so it goes both ways TPlTYajelEU-00110-00031110-00031402 interesting uh I feel like the simple TPlTYajelEU-00111-00031404-00031714 idea may have uh sparked a lot of TPlTYajelEU-00112-00031716-00031979 conversation represent growth so thanks TPlTYajelEU-00113-00031980-00032224 for bringing this we're not afraid of TPlTYajelEU-00114-00032225-00032668 tackling the tough issues okay TPlTYajelEU-00115-00032669-00032818 thank you so much for being with us TPlTYajelEU-00116-00032819-00032987 today you need anything else for me TPlTYajelEU-00117-00032988-00033137 cheers anybody else have any other TPlTYajelEU-00118-00033138-00033401 questions representative Burroughs TPlTYajelEU-00119-00033402-00033652 you can take a chocolate kiss on your TPlTYajelEU-00120-00033653-00033877 way out if you would like you thank you TPlTYajelEU-00121-00033878-00034571 happy Valentine's Day TPlTYajelEU-00122-00034572-00034721 all right TPlTYajelEU-00123-00034722-00035081 um so I have invited TPlTYajelEU-00124-00035082-00035393 um representatives from the major TPlTYajelEU-00125-00035394-00035657 parties and some other TPlTYajelEU-00126-00035658-00035915 um government groups and over the next TPlTYajelEU-00127-00035916-00036143 couple of days so TPlTYajelEU-00128-00036144-00036418 um we first on our list here have uh Mr TPlTYajelEU-00129-00036419-00036611 Paul Dame who's the chair of the Vermont TPlTYajelEU-00130-00036612-00036851 Republican party so if you'd like to TPlTYajelEU-00131-00036852-00037007 come and take the wit and see it really TPlTYajelEU-00132-00037008-00037157 appreciate you spending some time with TPlTYajelEU-00133-00037158-00037612 us today I've asked the um folks to give TPlTYajelEU-00134-00037613-00037829 their thoughts in response to the draft TPlTYajelEU-00135-00037830-00038302 miscellaneous elections Bill the 23-0 TPlTYajelEU-00136-00038303-00038452 um miscellaneous changes to election TPlTYajelEU-00137-00038453-00038662 laws and I appreciate you being with us TPlTYajelEU-00138-00038663-00038873 today well thank you for the invitation TPlTYajelEU-00139-00038874-00039046 it's uh it's kind of fun that some of TPlTYajelEU-00140-00039047-00039227 you know including our representative TPlTYajelEU-00141-00039228-00039377 Ricky I used to be a rep so it's TPlTYajelEU-00142-00039378-00039496 interesting to be on this side of the TPlTYajelEU-00143-00039497-00039773 table uh for once but uh thanks for the TPlTYajelEU-00144-00039774-00040139 opportunity to to weigh in on on this uh TPlTYajelEU-00145-00040140-00040330 yeah my name is Paul Dame I am the state TPlTYajelEU-00146-00040331-00040511 chair of the Vermont Republican party TPlTYajelEU-00147-00040512-00040679 and TPlTYajelEU-00148-00040680-00040883 um I just you know there's a lot in here TPlTYajelEU-00149-00040884-00041129 uh which I think uh you know it's kind TPlTYajelEU-00150-00041130-00041230 of interesting so I just want to go TPlTYajelEU-00151-00041231-00041446 through some of the main points TPlTYajelEU-00152-00041447-00041657 um you know the the first first off sort TPlTYajelEU-00153-00041658-00041837 of the sore loser law TPlTYajelEU-00154-00041838-00042052 um I think is is something that you know TPlTYajelEU-00155-00042053-00042365 we don't really have a problem with uh I TPlTYajelEU-00156-00042366-00042743 do what I do notice here is is TPlTYajelEU-00157-00042744-00043030 um or a way you can sort of enhance this TPlTYajelEU-00158-00043031-00043283 is I think people need to decide up TPlTYajelEU-00159-00043284-00043457 front if they're going to be an TPlTYajelEU-00160-00043458-00043595 independent if they're going to be a TPlTYajelEU-00161-00043596-00043799 republican Progressive they should pick TPlTYajelEU-00162-00043800-00043973 a lane at the beginning of the process TPlTYajelEU-00163-00043974-00044183 and commit to that lane at least through TPlTYajelEU-00164-00044184-00044345 that that election right next election TPlTYajelEU-00165-00044346-00044602 they can make a different choice and so TPlTYajelEU-00166-00044603-00044861 I think even if people win a particular TPlTYajelEU-00167-00044862-00045202 primary or uh they still shouldn't have TPlTYajelEU-00168-00045203-00045455 the option option to go into another TPlTYajelEU-00169-00045456-00045724 primary or to run as an independent so I TPlTYajelEU-00170-00045725-00045899 think what's what I saw missing there TPlTYajelEU-00171-00045900-00046199 was even if you win a Party primary as TPlTYajelEU-00172-00046200-00046402 almost or would have happened if the TPlTYajelEU-00173-00046403-00046643 election laws were different we we had TPlTYajelEU-00174-00046644-00046793 somebody running one of our primaries TPlTYajelEU-00175-00046794-00047062 whose intention was to take that that TPlTYajelEU-00176-00047063-00047267 place and eliminate it on the general TPlTYajelEU-00177-00047268-00047495 election ballot and then run as an TPlTYajelEU-00178-00047496-00047830 independent so I think that you could TPlTYajelEU-00179-00047831-00048137 add to the store loser law a Prohibition TPlTYajelEU-00180-00048138-00048401 on even if you win the primary you still TPlTYajelEU-00181-00048402-00048599 shouldn't get to run as an independent I TPlTYajelEU-00182-00048600-00048779 think that makes it clear that people TPlTYajelEU-00183-00048780-00048965 are either an independent or they're TPlTYajelEU-00184-00048966-00049271 running in a uh in a primary represent a TPlTYajelEU-00185-00049272-00049462 party TPlTYajelEU-00186-00049463-00049673 um I think it's a good move to line up TPlTYajelEU-00187-00049674-00049955 the filing deadlines it was always kind TPlTYajelEU-00188-00049956-00050233 of peculiar to me why TPlTYajelEU-00189-00050234-00050573 Independence I got the file later then TPlTYajelEU-00190-00050574-00050740 everybody knows sort of at the beginning TPlTYajelEU-00191-00050741-00051058 of the process in May uh that these are TPlTYajelEU-00192-00051059-00051179 the candidates that are going to be on TPlTYajelEU-00193-00051180-00051401 the general election ballot TPlTYajelEU-00194-00051402-00051713 or uh or you know in the case of TPlTYajelEU-00195-00051714-00051892 primaries we're eliminating people who TPlTYajelEU-00196-00051894-00052092 who don't make it through the primary TPlTYajelEU-00197-00052094-00052366 uh one of the concerns I had was on sort TPlTYajelEU-00198-00052367-00052630 of the organizational reporting TPlTYajelEU-00199-00052632-00052961 um you know obviously a lot of uh the TPlTYajelEU-00200-00052962-00053315 the people who are serve as Town chairs TPlTYajelEU-00201-00053316-00053585 as County Chairs uh they're doing so in TPlTYajelEU-00202-00053586-00053794 a volunteer capacity TPlTYajelEU-00203-00053795-00053944 um and so I'm a little concerned about TPlTYajelEU-00204-00053945-00054107 putting name address phone number TPlTYajelEU-00205-00054108-00054538 information into a uh into Secretary of TPlTYajelEU-00206-00054539-00054773 State's office that then becomes TPlTYajelEU-00207-00054774-00055049 publicly searchable without knowing a TPlTYajelEU-00208-00055050-00055216 lot about who's requesting that TPlTYajelEU-00209-00055217-00055494 information where is it going who are TPlTYajelEU-00210-00055495-00055871 just everybody in those Town and County TPlTYajelEU-00211-00055872-00056032 organizations know that their TPlTYajelEU-00212-00056033-00056261 information is going to be subject to a TPlTYajelEU-00213-00056262-00056575 public records request TPlTYajelEU-00214-00056576-00056788 especially when you consider there are TPlTYajelEU-00215-00056789-00057053 other organizations that are involved in TPlTYajelEU-00216-00057054-00057304 political activity uh that are not TPlTYajelEU-00217-00057305-00057544 parties you know packs and other things TPlTYajelEU-00218-00057545-00057821 who have similar people in volunteer TPlTYajelEU-00219-00057822-00058030 capacities and none of their personal TPlTYajelEU-00220-00058032-00058354 information is getting collected by the TPlTYajelEU-00221-00058355-00058547 the secretary of state so obviously the TPlTYajelEU-00222-00058548-00058823 Republican party is concerned about you TPlTYajelEU-00223-00058824-00058991 know privacy and I think this is a place TPlTYajelEU-00224-00058991-00059279 where uh I don't understand what the TPlTYajelEU-00225-00059279-00059542 public benefit is for names address TPlTYajelEU-00226-00059544-00059813 contact info for volunteers on those TPlTYajelEU-00227-00059814-00060250 town uh on those Town committees TPlTYajelEU-00228-00060251-00060544 um on the matter of dual nominations uh TPlTYajelEU-00229-00060545-00060935 again I I I I think what my my TPlTYajelEU-00230-00060936-00061175 preference is my goal is making sure we TPlTYajelEU-00231-00061176-00061385 give voters as much information on the TPlTYajelEU-00232-00061386-00061661 ballot as as we can and so when when a TPlTYajelEU-00233-00061662-00061907 candidate decides to run sort of as a TPlTYajelEU-00234-00061908-00062116 fusion candidate or get this dual TPlTYajelEU-00235-00062117-00062338 nomination they're communicating to the TPlTYajelEU-00236-00062339-00062621 voter uh or they're communicating the TPlTYajelEU-00237-00062622-00062842 voters in those particular primaries TPlTYajelEU-00238-00062844-00063130 that I have some level of support uh TPlTYajelEU-00239-00063132-00063365 amongst both of those primaries I think TPlTYajelEU-00240-00063366-00063623 that vermonters like people who like TPlTYajelEU-00241-00063624-00063904 candidates who can cross the line work TPlTYajelEU-00242-00063905-00064073 across the line and if we want to TPlTYajelEU-00243-00064074-00064319 encourage that or at least communicate TPlTYajelEU-00244-00064320-00064594 to voters that we have a candidate who TPlTYajelEU-00245-00064595-00064816 has done that or is trying making an TPlTYajelEU-00246-00064817-00065026 effort to do that I think that's a good TPlTYajelEU-00247-00065027-00065399 thing and I think it reduces some of the TPlTYajelEU-00248-00065400-00065776 um you know some of the the uh the TPlTYajelEU-00249-00065777-00066143 partisan uh nature of of some of the TPlTYajelEU-00250-00066144-00066443 elections by allowing candidates who are TPlTYajelEU-00251-00066444-00066749 we're doing that to uh to keep those TPlTYajelEU-00252-00066750-00066941 dual nominations TPlTYajelEU-00253-00066942-00067067 um TPlTYajelEU-00254-00067068-00067343 see uh for Canada demographic info I TPlTYajelEU-00255-00067344-00067679 think uh you know I I don't you know we TPlTYajelEU-00256-00067680-00067799 don't have a problem with that TPlTYajelEU-00257-00067800-00067943 especially I think the fact that it's TPlTYajelEU-00258-00067944-00068219 listed as being optional you know is is TPlTYajelEU-00259-00068220-00068405 appropriate TPlTYajelEU-00260-00068406-00068585 um and then another place where you know TPlTYajelEU-00261-00068586-00068741 I think I have a little more concern is TPlTYajelEU-00262-00068742-00069011 on the certification for write-ins uh TPlTYajelEU-00263-00069012-00069191 especially because the the deadline is TPlTYajelEU-00264-00069192-00069467 so early a lot of times people don't TPlTYajelEU-00265-00069468-00069665 realize that there isn't somebody TPlTYajelEU-00266-00069666-00069832 especially for some of these smaller TPlTYajelEU-00267-00069833-00070061 offices uh that there's nobody on the TPlTYajelEU-00268-00070062-00070331 ballot until they get their uh absentee TPlTYajelEU-00269-00070332-00070594 ballot now and sometimes we've had folks TPlTYajelEU-00270-00070595-00070756 in races where we weren't able to TPlTYajelEU-00271-00070757-00070903 recruit somebody before the deadline TPlTYajelEU-00272-00070904-00071159 decide that hey you know if nobody else TPlTYajelEU-00273-00071160-00071291 is going to run TPlTYajelEU-00274-00071292-00071482 um I'll throw my name in and so whenever TPlTYajelEU-00275-00071483-00071806 we put a hurdle in front of any voter TPlTYajelEU-00276-00071807-00071969 who wants to participate in the process TPlTYajelEU-00277-00071970-00072203 especially if they're sort of not part TPlTYajelEU-00278-00072204-00072532 of the regular and traditional TPlTYajelEU-00279-00072533-00072863 um uh you know party apparatus I I think TPlTYajelEU-00280-00072864-00073043 it's a good thing it's a welcoming thing TPlTYajelEU-00281-00073044-00073300 to allow people to enter into the TPlTYajelEU-00282-00073301-00073475 process especially as a candidate and TPlTYajelEU-00283-00073476-00073847 keep that bar as low as possible so I TPlTYajelEU-00284-00073848-00074050 think allowing the writing candidate to TPlTYajelEU-00285-00074051-00074375 to get on uh and to be counted and be TPlTYajelEU-00286-00074376-00074621 accepted as a potential winner if they TPlTYajelEU-00287-00074622-00074891 meet the requirements is important but I TPlTYajelEU-00288-00074892-00075125 also think it's important to count those TPlTYajelEU-00289-00075126-00075419 actual votes right I think that when TPlTYajelEU-00290-00075420-00075659 people want to vote when people make a TPlTYajelEU-00291-00075660-00075832 write-in vote it's one of the most TPlTYajelEU-00292-00075833-00076000 intentional votes that you can possibly TPlTYajelEU-00293-00076001-00076276 make right some of the the least TPlTYajelEU-00294-00076277-00076505 intentional are in other states they TPlTYajelEU-00295-00076506-00076685 have straight uh straight party ticket TPlTYajelEU-00296-00076686-00076912 voting uh which you may not even know TPlTYajelEU-00297-00076913-00077056 the names of the people that you voted TPlTYajelEU-00298-00077057-00077291 for but when a voter decides I'm going TPlTYajelEU-00299-00077292-00077471 to write somebody's name and you got to TPlTYajelEU-00300-00077472-00077603 know that person's name and you gotta TPlTYajelEU-00301-00077604-00077729 have a really good reason to do TPlTYajelEU-00302-00077730-00077932 something that's sort of out of out of TPlTYajelEU-00303-00077933-00078143 the normal so I can't think of a vote TPlTYajelEU-00304-00078144-00078317 that's more intentional than a right in TPlTYajelEU-00305-00078318-00078503 vote and what I see in this bill that's TPlTYajelEU-00306-00078504-00078688 concerning is that we're going to count TPlTYajelEU-00307-00078689-00078971 that vote as less right the that name TPlTYajelEU-00308-00078972-00079373 isn't going to show up in the um in the TPlTYajelEU-00309-00079374-00079667 official totals there if that person if TPlTYajelEU-00310-00079668-00079894 it wasn't an official write-in candidate TPlTYajelEU-00311-00079895-00080231 uh so that individual who cast that vote TPlTYajelEU-00312-00080232-00080435 isn't going to really feel like their TPlTYajelEU-00313-00080436-00080717 vote got recorded and I think in a in a TPlTYajelEU-00314-00080718-00080981 time where uh you know folks are uh TPlTYajelEU-00315-00080982-00081185 there's there's greater attention on the TPlTYajelEU-00316-00081186-00081509 election process uh having individual TPlTYajelEU-00317-00081510-00081719 write-in votes show up I understand it's TPlTYajelEU-00318-00081720-00081893 a little it's extra work for the town TPlTYajelEU-00319-00081894-00082276 clerks but I think it gives our voters TPlTYajelEU-00320-00082277-00082438 um you know the confidence that their TPlTYajelEU-00321-00082439-00082721 vote really does count no matter uh how TPlTYajelEU-00322-00082722-00082949 sort of outside the mainstream uh it is TPlTYajelEU-00323-00082950-00083188 so I think that uh you know we would be TPlTYajelEU-00324-00083189-00083423 for leaving the the write-in process the TPlTYajelEU-00325-00083424-00083656 way that it is I think the 25 minimum TPlTYajelEU-00326-00083657-00083926 you know for for house races and and at TPlTYajelEU-00327-00083927-00084106 various different offices is appropriate TPlTYajelEU-00328-00084107-00084347 right you've got to have a threshold uh TPlTYajelEU-00329-00084348-00084569 to actually get elected but I think it's TPlTYajelEU-00330-00084570-00084797 important to voters let them know your TPlTYajelEU-00331-00084798-00084923 vote counts and we're going to count TPlTYajelEU-00332-00084924-00085306 even uh even the write-ins there TPlTYajelEU-00333-00085307-00085541 um so I think those were the main uh TPlTYajelEU-00334-00085542-00085799 parts of the bill that I saw I think uh TPlTYajelEU-00335-00085800-00085955 while I'm here you know I wanted to TPlTYajelEU-00336-00085956-00086111 mention a couple things that I think you TPlTYajelEU-00337-00086112-00086285 know we're missing uh you know we've had TPlTYajelEU-00338-00086286-00086488 a little bit of discussion uh in our TPlTYajelEU-00339-00086489-00086693 party about uh the primary especially TPlTYajelEU-00340-00086694-00086921 this last year and one of the things TPlTYajelEU-00341-00086922-00087125 that that seems to be missing is really TPlTYajelEU-00342-00087126-00087587 a party is is a brand and uh We've over TPlTYajelEU-00343-00087588-00087749 time right it used to be that the TPlTYajelEU-00344-00087750-00087869 parties would get together in a TPlTYajelEU-00345-00087870-00088000 smoke-filled room and they'd pick people TPlTYajelEU-00346-00088001-00088121 and if you didn't know the right person TPlTYajelEU-00347-00088122-00088331 you didn't get on the ballot and we've TPlTYajelEU-00348-00088332-00088547 moved farther away from that to creating TPlTYajelEU-00349-00088548-00088715 probably one of the most open processes TPlTYajelEU-00350-00088716-00088937 that we have because we don't have uh TPlTYajelEU-00351-00088938-00089171 party registration in Vermont anybody TPlTYajelEU-00352-00089172-00089441 can run on any ballot and so if I wanted TPlTYajelEU-00353-00089442-00089638 to I could run for governor as a TPlTYajelEU-00354-00089639-00089806 Democrat even though I'm the chair of TPlTYajelEU-00355-00089807-00090017 the Republican party and I think there's TPlTYajelEU-00356-00090018-00090256 a case where we've gotten so open that TPlTYajelEU-00357-00090257-00090425 we may need to come back towards the TPlTYajelEU-00358-00090426-00090629 middle and give parties some kind of a TPlTYajelEU-00359-00090630-00091037 mechanism either to restrict people from TPlTYajelEU-00360-00091038-00091205 getting on the ballot or at least do TPlTYajelEU-00361-00091206-00091565 noting hey this is somebody who the the TPlTYajelEU-00362-00091566-00091918 people in the party have talked to is a TPlTYajelEU-00363-00091919-00092176 legitimate and valid candidate one TPlTYajelEU-00364-00092177-00092303 suggestion is in the state of TPlTYajelEU-00365-00092304-00092579 Connecticut they allow parties uh to TPlTYajelEU-00366-00092580-00092776 endorse candidates while I'm not a big TPlTYajelEU-00367-00092777-00092968 fan of the idea of having a single TPlTYajelEU-00368-00092969-00093215 candidate be endorsed I think maybe a TPlTYajelEU-00369-00093216-00093550 modification of that would be where you TPlTYajelEU-00370-00093551-00093737 allow the party to maybe have approved TPlTYajelEU-00371-00093738-00093929 candidates so if you have maybe four TPlTYajelEU-00372-00093930-00094241 candidates and there's somebody who for TPlTYajelEU-00373-00094242-00094438 whatever reasons don't meet the criteria TPlTYajelEU-00374-00094439-00094606 of the party you know we have rules TPlTYajelEU-00375-00094607-00094756 against TPlTYajelEU-00376-00094757-00094894 um you know that we wouldn't support TPlTYajelEU-00377-00094895-00095087 felons we wouldn't support other people TPlTYajelEU-00378-00095088-00095291 who've run in primaries and gotten less TPlTYajelEU-00379-00095292-00095459 than a certain percentage before the TPlTYajelEU-00380-00095460-00095687 people we just think aren't viable or TPlTYajelEU-00381-00095688-00095905 aren't representing you know our party TPlTYajelEU-00382-00095906-00096143 uh then we could say all right these TPlTYajelEU-00383-00096144-00096538 three people are candidates that the the TPlTYajelEU-00384-00096539-00096826 state party is amenable to working with TPlTYajelEU-00385-00096827-00096982 and here's somebody who really doesn't TPlTYajelEU-00386-00096983-00097181 belong on our ballot but because we've TPlTYajelEU-00387-00097182-00097379 got an open process you know we're not TPlTYajelEU-00388-00097380-00097600 preventing anyone from running but it TPlTYajelEU-00389-00097601-00097762 sends that signal again getting more TPlTYajelEU-00390-00097763-00097979 information to the voter that this TPlTYajelEU-00391-00097980-00098141 person is going to be working with the TPlTYajelEU-00392-00098142-00098465 party this person is not working with TPlTYajelEU-00393-00098466-00098638 the party I think one of the things I TPlTYajelEU-00394-00098639-00098843 had heard sort of anecdotally people TPlTYajelEU-00395-00098844-00099161 voting in uh in other primaries you know TPlTYajelEU-00396-00099162-00099329 the only information you really get on TPlTYajelEU-00397-00099330-00099611 the primary is the name of the town that TPlTYajelEU-00398-00099612-00099809 the person's from and so sometimes TPlTYajelEU-00399-00099810-00099929 that's the only information on the TPlTYajelEU-00400-00099930-00100150 ballot and people will make decisions uh TPlTYajelEU-00401-00100151-00100331 sometimes even on Statewide races TPlTYajelEU-00402-00100332-00100517 because they haven't heard maybe they TPlTYajelEU-00403-00100518-00100691 don't watch TV or maybe they don't you TPlTYajelEU-00404-00100692-00100829 know they don't get email whatever else TPlTYajelEU-00405-00100830-00101062 they say oh well this person's from such TPlTYajelEU-00406-00101063-00101194 and such TPlTYajelEU-00407-00101195-00101393 um that you know that that's a that's a TPlTYajelEU-00408-00101394-00101626 more Republican town a more democratic a TPlTYajelEU-00409-00101627-00101843 more Progressive town and can make TPlTYajelEU-00410-00101844-00102023 inference there and I think what would TPlTYajelEU-00411-00102024-00102287 be more helpful information for voters TPlTYajelEU-00412-00102288-00102575 is to say hey in the cases where a party TPlTYajelEU-00413-00102576-00102832 would want to they can say here are two TPlTYajelEU-00414-00102833-00103078 of those three candidates that we would TPlTYajelEU-00415-00103079-00103336 uh that we doors for that we would work TPlTYajelEU-00416-00103338-00103540 with here's somebody who got on the TPlTYajelEU-00417-00103541-00103804 ballot but is not going to cooperate you TPlTYajelEU-00418-00103805-00104027 know with the party and allowing also TPlTYajelEU-00419-00104028-00104213 the parties to decide not to do that I TPlTYajelEU-00420-00104214-00104458 think most of the time the parties would TPlTYajelEU-00421-00104459-00104656 rather keep their hands clean and not TPlTYajelEU-00422-00104657-00104890 put their thumb on the scale but in TPlTYajelEU-00423-00104891-00105178 those rare cases where there's kind of a TPlTYajelEU-00424-00105179-00105443 reason uh you know to break the rule it TPlTYajelEU-00425-00105444-00105743 would give the parties some control over TPlTYajelEU-00426-00105744-00106036 uh over the brand and over the uh TPlTYajelEU-00427-00106038-00106307 um the party that they're uh that TPlTYajelEU-00428-00106308-00106577 they're they're communicating to to TPlTYajelEU-00429-00106578-00106763 voters TPlTYajelEU-00430-00106764-00106889 um two other things I think that would TPlTYajelEU-00431-00106890-00107039 be helpful you know that maybe aren't TPlTYajelEU-00432-00107040-00107219 quite on the same scope of the the bill TPlTYajelEU-00433-00107220-00107489 but are still general election related TPlTYajelEU-00434-00107490-00107693 um is uh is looking at cleaning up our TPlTYajelEU-00435-00107694-00107927 voter rolls I think a lot of times we've TPlTYajelEU-00436-00107928-00108125 we've realized with covet and sort of TPlTYajelEU-00437-00108126-00108340 the universal mail-out ballot how many TPlTYajelEU-00438-00108341-00108599 people are on our voter rolls that don't TPlTYajelEU-00439-00108600-00108875 belong there I I purchased the house TPlTYajelEU-00440-00108876-00109108 four years ago and I got a ballot this TPlTYajelEU-00441-00109109-00109295 year from somebody who hasn't lived TPlTYajelEU-00442-00109296-00109439 there since then and they weren't the TPlTYajelEU-00443-00109440-00109660 person I bought my house from TPlTYajelEU-00444-00109661-00109840 um and I was talking to some of the TPlTYajelEU-00445-00109841-00110039 clerks before and it sounds like there TPlTYajelEU-00446-00110040-00110201 could be up to an eight-year process TPlTYajelEU-00447-00110202-00110466 from the time that we suspect somebody TPlTYajelEU-00448-00110467-00110716 is not TPlTYajelEU-00449-00110717-00110951 um is not a valid voter anymore until we TPlTYajelEU-00450-00110952-00111197 can actually get them removed this used TPlTYajelEU-00451-00111198-00111425 to be a problem because we didn't allow TPlTYajelEU-00452-00111426-00111857 people uh you know to register after uh TPlTYajelEU-00453-00111858-00111977 where was it the week before the TPlTYajelEU-00454-00111978-00112133 election but now that we have same-day TPlTYajelEU-00455-00112133-00112354 voter registration if we ever remove TPlTYajelEU-00456-00112355-00112595 somebody inappropriately we took TPlTYajelEU-00457-00112596-00112751 somebody off the list before we should TPlTYajelEU-00458-00112752-00112954 have maybe they just didn't vote for two TPlTYajelEU-00459-00112955-00113171 years for whatever reason everyone can TPlTYajelEU-00460-00113172-00113357 get back on the list and cast their TPlTYajelEU-00461-00113358-00113693 ballot on Election Day so to me we had TPlTYajelEU-00462-00113694-00113873 this hedge about why we didn't take TPlTYajelEU-00463-00113874-00114136 people off voter rolls too easy and I TPlTYajelEU-00464-00114138-00114310 think we've solved that problem with TPlTYajelEU-00465-00114311-00114545 same-day voter registration so I think TPlTYajelEU-00466-00114546-00114802 giving Town clerks and Boards of civil TPlTYajelEU-00467-00114803-00114983 Authority who can be a check on that TPlTYajelEU-00468-00114983-00115234 town clerk the the ability to remove TPlTYajelEU-00469-00115235-00115583 people who everybody in town knows that TPlTYajelEU-00470-00115583-00115810 they left or whatever the case may be TPlTYajelEU-00471-00115811-00116063 because when we reduce those voter rules TPlTYajelEU-00472-00116064-00116221 first of all we're spending less money TPlTYajelEU-00473-00116222-00116447 mailing out ballots that don't belong TPlTYajelEU-00474-00116448-00116723 places it's even people who get those TPlTYajelEU-00475-00116724-00117016 ballots and have no ill intention it TPlTYajelEU-00476-00117017-00117215 doesn't create confidence when you get a TPlTYajelEU-00477-00117216-00117340 ballot mailed to your house that doesn't TPlTYajelEU-00478-00117341-00117586 belong there and so while there's no TPlTYajelEU-00479-00117588-00117773 reports of anybody doing something like TPlTYajelEU-00480-00117774-00117940 that there is a there is a confidence TPlTYajelEU-00481-00117941-00118186 issue there and when we reduce the voter TPlTYajelEU-00482-00118188-00118397 rolls to make them more accurate it TPlTYajelEU-00483-00118398-00118625 actually shows that Vermont has a higher TPlTYajelEU-00484-00118626-00118804 voter participation right if you think TPlTYajelEU-00485-00118805-00118984 about border participation being a TPlTYajelEU-00486-00118985-00119231 fraction if our if our denominator is TPlTYajelEU-00487-00119232-00119404 too big with people who have moved out TPlTYajelEU-00488-00119405-00119728 of state uh if we if we right-size that TPlTYajelEU-00489-00119729-00119963 number uh you know Vermont can report TPlTYajelEU-00490-00119964-00120190 accurately our voter participation TPlTYajelEU-00491-00120191-00120431 scores so we think making it easier for TPlTYajelEU-00492-00120432-00120751 Town clerks going through uh the BCA TPlTYajelEU-00493-00120752-00120984 shortening that time frame that they can TPlTYajelEU-00494-00120985-00121360 remove voter rolls and then obviously TPlTYajelEU-00495-00121361-00121577 you know uh the something that the TPlTYajelEU-00496-00121578-00121715 Republican party has always been looking TPlTYajelEU-00497-00121716-00121973 for is implementing voter ID and I think TPlTYajelEU-00498-00121974-00122260 especially uh for same-day registration TPlTYajelEU-00499-00122261-00122477 I mean one of the issues I had is when I TPlTYajelEU-00500-00122478-00122584 moved TPlTYajelEU-00501-00122585-00122843 I was on if I had gone to the town clerk TPlTYajelEU-00502-00122844-00122999 in Essex everybody had known me there I TPlTYajelEU-00503-00123000-00123215 had won elections there before my name TPlTYajelEU-00504-00123216-00123502 was on uh the voter roll there I would TPlTYajelEU-00505-00123503-00123719 have voted no problem TPlTYajelEU-00506-00123720-00123904 um but two weeks before I had just moved TPlTYajelEU-00507-00123905-00124175 into my new house and when I went uh to TPlTYajelEU-00508-00124176-00124343 vote where I was supposed to vote in my TPlTYajelEU-00509-00124344-00124571 new house I walked in and was able to TPlTYajelEU-00510-00124572-00124816 cast a vote that day so I think there's TPlTYajelEU-00511-00124817-00125051 still an area there where we it's TPlTYajelEU-00512-00125052-00125363 there's potential uh for people on same TPlTYajelEU-00513-00125364-00125645 day voter registration uh TPlTYajelEU-00514-00125646-00125860 um to vote in more one more than one TPlTYajelEU-00515-00125861-00126023 location and we're not even requiring TPlTYajelEU-00516-00126024-00126233 voter ID there Vermont's the only state TPlTYajelEU-00517-00126233-00126443 that does same-day voter registration TPlTYajelEU-00518-00126444-00126797 with no voter ID so I think at least on TPlTYajelEU-00519-00126798-00127001 same day registration in introducing TPlTYajelEU-00520-00127002-00127331 voter ID is a good safety mechanism to TPlTYajelEU-00521-00127332-00127481 make sure that TPlTYajelEU-00522-00127482-00127739 um uh that that that we're getting the TPlTYajelEU-00523-00127740-00127949 right people voting in the right place TPlTYajelEU-00524-00127950-00128278 so that's really all I had for TPlTYajelEU-00525-00128279-00128590 any prepared testimony so I'm happy to TPlTYajelEU-00526-00128591-00128795 take any questions or TPlTYajelEU-00527-00128796-00129149 thanks I think you you covered uh most TPlTYajelEU-00528-00129150-00129239 of the TPlTYajelEU-00529-00129240-00129419 the big points and I appreciate some of TPlTYajelEU-00530-00129420-00129551 the feedback TPlTYajelEU-00531-00129552-00129719 um are there folks in the committee have TPlTYajelEU-00532-00129720-00129928 questions for Mr Dean TPlTYajelEU-00533-00129929-00130090 represented Byron TPlTYajelEU-00534-00130091-00130336 how are you uh no thanks for coming in TPlTYajelEU-00535-00130338-00130583 and offering the perspective so what I TPlTYajelEU-00536-00130583-00130847 wanted to Circle back to was TPlTYajelEU-00537-00130848-00131171 the point you were raised or proposed TPlTYajelEU-00538-00131172-00131345 um about primary candidates within the TPlTYajelEU-00539-00131346-00131578 party and getting sort of bug TPlTYajelEU-00540-00131579-00131851 S I guess sort of a a mark of approval TPlTYajelEU-00541-00131852-00132149 from the party apparatus whatever that TPlTYajelEU-00542-00132150-00132281 may be TPlTYajelEU-00543-00132282-00132421 um TPlTYajelEU-00544-00132422-00132635 so that would be something you would be TPlTYajelEU-00545-00132636-00132802 visibly known on the primary ballot so TPlTYajelEU-00546-00132803-00132977 let's say just sort of TPlTYajelEU-00547-00132978-00133181 so I I see this correctly in my head TPlTYajelEU-00548-00133182-00133439 right five candidates TPlTYajelEU-00549-00133440-00133601 two of them a party does not find TPlTYajelEU-00550-00133602-00133775 favorable for able to do but we would TPlTYajelEU-00551-00133776-00134140 have that on spark of sorts yep okay TPlTYajelEU-00552-00134141-00134416 um and TPlTYajelEU-00553-00134417-00134602 I don't know it just at first my first TPlTYajelEU-00554-00134603-00134764 instinct C is like there could be ways I TPlTYajelEU-00555-00134765-00134914 could get a little murky right it's like TPlTYajelEU-00556-00134915-00135245 how do people go about that do maybe you TPlTYajelEU-00557-00135246-00135443 know candidates willingness to donate to TPlTYajelEU-00558-00135444-00135628 a party apparatus maybe come into play TPlTYajelEU-00559-00135629-00135971 you know what I mean I just it made my TPlTYajelEU-00560-00135972-00136109 stomach do a couple of funny things when TPlTYajelEU-00561-00136110-00136289 I started thinking about it yeah but TPlTYajelEU-00562-00136290-00136433 just for clarification that's what TPlTYajelEU-00563-00136434-00136661 you're sort of well I think giving TPlTYajelEU-00564-00136662-00136795 parties TPlTYajelEU-00565-00136796-00137087 yeah right giving parties the option uh TPlTYajelEU-00566-00137088-00137435 to do that would allow them to uh to TPlTYajelEU-00567-00137436-00137621 really couldn't control their their TPlTYajelEU-00568-00137622-00137843 brand and allow right because uh what TPlTYajelEU-00569-00137844-00138125 happens uh especially with TPlTYajelEU-00570-00138126-00138473 you know in certain cases uh anybody can TPlTYajelEU-00571-00138474-00138773 get on any party's ballot TPlTYajelEU-00572-00138774-00139139 there's there's really no prohibition uh TPlTYajelEU-00573-00139140-00139354 and Brook Pages run as a Democrat for TPlTYajelEU-00574-00139355-00139661 governor uh before so so this would be TPlTYajelEU-00575-00139662-00139871 one way that the party could communicate TPlTYajelEU-00576-00139872-00140285 to voters this person isn't really uh TPlTYajelEU-00577-00140286-00140452 playing TPlTYajelEU-00578-00140453-00140669 um you know within the intent of of the TPlTYajelEU-00579-00140670-00140981 party apparatus because our party our TPlTYajelEU-00580-00140982-00141257 our primary system is so open I think TPlTYajelEU-00581-00141258-00141425 it's just a little bit too open and TPlTYajelEU-00582-00141426-00141599 we've got to do something to fence that TPlTYajelEU-00583-00141600-00141904 in uh I would see it as something that TPlTYajelEU-00584-00141905-00142187 parties would probably rarely use uh TPlTYajelEU-00585-00142188-00142319 that there would no there would not be TPlTYajelEU-00586-00142320-00142535 any requirement for the party to uh TPlTYajelEU-00587-00142536-00142781 endorse or approve any candidates but TPlTYajelEU-00588-00142782-00142937 that they would be able to do that TPlTYajelEU-00589-00142938-00143104 through the same mechanisms that they TPlTYajelEU-00590-00143105-00143327 can fill a vacancy TPlTYajelEU-00591-00143328-00143447 um you know if somebody were to pass TPlTYajelEU-00592-00143448-00144407 away or something like that TPlTYajelEU-00593-00144408-00144911 so with party registrations TPlTYajelEU-00594-00144912-00145199 um I I think it could I'm not an TPlTYajelEU-00595-00145200-00145385 advocate for party registration I think TPlTYajelEU-00596-00145386-00145721 vermonters are independent and they they TPlTYajelEU-00597-00145722-00145943 like being independent TPlTYajelEU-00598-00145944-00146207 um you know that party registration uh TPlTYajelEU-00599-00146208-00146333 you know there's games you can play with TPlTYajelEU-00600-00146334-00146543 that too what would happen is people in TPlTYajelEU-00601-00146544-00146704 certain districts find that one party TPlTYajelEU-00602-00146705-00146969 tends to do well so they register and TPlTYajelEU-00603-00146970-00147137 that party's primary you know we see TPlTYajelEU-00604-00147138-00147389 that a lot both in Massachusetts and in TPlTYajelEU-00605-00147390-00147611 places like Texas where the one party is TPlTYajelEU-00606-00147612-00147785 more dominant TPlTYajelEU-00607-00147786-00147989 um but I'm not advocating for party TPlTYajelEU-00608-00147990-00148733 registration TPlTYajelEU-00609-00148734-00148901 your uh TPlTYajelEU-00610-00148902-00149201 denial at the poll same day registration TPlTYajelEU-00611-00149202-00149471 scenario TPlTYajelEU-00612-00149472-00149813 and this is ignorance on my part can not TPlTYajelEU-00613-00149814-00150083 only be done at the poll or at the town TPlTYajelEU-00614-00150084-00150371 clerk's office or TPlTYajelEU-00615-00150372-00150640 my question basically is TPlTYajelEU-00616-00150641-00150863 JP have the authority to go and register TPlTYajelEU-00617-00150864-00151025 somebody TPlTYajelEU-00618-00151026-00151235 they can't come to the poll when I just TPlTYajelEU-00619-00151236-00151385 found out they were TPlTYajelEU-00620-00151386-00151697 anymore TPlTYajelEU-00621-00151698-00151919 um so you're saying is somebody who TPlTYajelEU-00622-00151920-00152087 found out on Election Day that they're TPlTYajelEU-00623-00152088-00152423 not on the rolls and is unable to go to TPlTYajelEU-00624-00152424-00152590 handicap TPlTYajelEU-00625-00152591-00152669 um TPlTYajelEU-00626-00152670-00152939 uh that might be a better question for TPlTYajelEU-00627-00152940-00153161 the town clerks I'm not I'm not aware of TPlTYajelEU-00628-00153162-00153347 that scenario I think that most of the TPlTYajelEU-00629-00153348-00153671 same day registration is done at the at TPlTYajelEU-00630-00153672-00153802 the polling place I don't know if TPlTYajelEU-00631-00153803-00153923 there's been a case of somebody TPlTYajelEU-00632-00153924-00154078 registering TPlTYajelEU-00633-00154079-00154307 you know like uh you know when you send TPlTYajelEU-00634-00154308-00154493 send JPS TPlTYajelEU-00635-00154494-00154625 um I don't know that there's any TPlTYajelEU-00636-00154626-00154978 prohibition on that but I'm not I'm not TPlTYajelEU-00637-00154979-00155104 the authority on that we could ask TPlTYajelEU-00638-00155105-00155297 director sending about that when he next TPlTYajelEU-00639-00155298-00155478 is up to testify TPlTYajelEU-00640-00155479-00155843 all right he's in the room so that hence TPlTYajelEU-00641-00155844-00156113 the look John TPlTYajelEU-00642-00156114-00156304 representative Eugene TPlTYajelEU-00643-00156305-00156413 um TPlTYajelEU-00644-00156414-00156659 I just wanted to clarify in terms of the TPlTYajelEU-00645-00156660-00156893 verifying identity at the polls um TPlTYajelEU-00646-00156894-00157090 having been at JP for a while but we TPlTYajelEU-00647-00157091-00157204 would do TPlTYajelEU-00648-00157205-00157426 um is that someone could register on the TPlTYajelEU-00649-00157427-00157559 same day and then they would fill out TPlTYajelEU-00650-00157560-00157804 the voter information form which does TPlTYajelEU-00651-00157805-00157931 require you to give like a license TPlTYajelEU-00652-00157932-00158039 number TPlTYajelEU-00653-00158040-00158213 um and then after this TPlTYajelEU-00654-00158214-00158501 uh after the election the clerk would go TPlTYajelEU-00655-00158502-00158728 in and verify that and if it turned out TPlTYajelEU-00656-00158729-00159040 it wasn't accurate they would yeah do TPlTYajelEU-00657-00159041-00159251 something about it after that but it's TPlTYajelEU-00658-00159252-00159431 not like there's no verification yeah TPlTYajelEU-00659-00159432-00159623 well I mean that's that's an interesting TPlTYajelEU-00660-00159624-00159875 because uh in that scenario the vote has TPlTYajelEU-00661-00159876-00160126 already been placed into The Ballot Box TPlTYajelEU-00662-00160127-00160276 um so there wouldn't be much the that TPlTYajelEU-00663-00160277-00160445 the JP could do about it it's one of the TPlTYajelEU-00664-00160446-00160661 reasons that uh when I was when I was TPlTYajelEU-00665-00160662-00160823 here before saying same-day voter TPlTYajelEU-00666-00160824-00161009 registration should be done on a TPlTYajelEU-00667-00161010-00161207 provisional ballot so if we did find TPlTYajelEU-00668-00161208-00161369 that there was something inaccurate TPlTYajelEU-00669-00161370-00161639 about a same-day registration if it was TPlTYajelEU-00670-00161640-00161837 set aside in those provisional ballots TPlTYajelEU-00671-00161838-00162226 then before you give the the JPS or the TPlTYajelEU-00672-00162227-00162395 election officials a day or two to TPlTYajelEU-00673-00162396-00162647 verify the records and if everything's TPlTYajelEU-00674-00162648-00162802 good it gets included in with the rest TPlTYajelEU-00675-00162803-00163049 of the votes and if not then you've TPlTYajelEU-00676-00163050-00163199 already identified that vote and TPlTYajelEU-00677-00163200-00163511 separated at the time TPlTYajelEU-00678-00163512-00163811 thing I wanted to ask about is I heard TPlTYajelEU-00679-00163812-00164002 you say pretty clearly uh in your TPlTYajelEU-00680-00164003-00164316 testimony in response to the store loser TPlTYajelEU-00681-00164317-00164549 proposal that's in the draft language TPlTYajelEU-00682-00164550-00164849 about kind of the strong feeling that TPlTYajelEU-00683-00164850-00164993 have integrity you got to stay in your TPlTYajelEU-00684-00164994-00165214 lane you pick pick whether you're going TPlTYajelEU-00685-00165215-00165395 to be an i or a d or an RRP at the TPlTYajelEU-00686-00165396-00165526 beginning and follow that all the way TPlTYajelEU-00687-00165527-00165731 through and at least for that election TPlTYajelEU-00688-00165732-00166061 next election you can change your mind I TPlTYajelEU-00689-00166062-00166193 wanted to contrast that a little bit TPlTYajelEU-00690-00166194-00166457 against your testimony around the sort TPlTYajelEU-00691-00166458-00166607 of dual nominations TPlTYajelEU-00692-00166608-00166685 um TPlTYajelEU-00693-00166686-00166883 because I've wrestled with this a lot in TPlTYajelEU-00694-00166884-00167021 deciding what to present to the TPlTYajelEU-00695-00167022-00167249 committee to solve especially the issue TPlTYajelEU-00696-00167250-00167369 which we'll hear more about tomorrow TPlTYajelEU-00697-00167370-00167633 around a relatively small number of TPlTYajelEU-00698-00167634-00167740 write-ins TPlTYajelEU-00699-00167741-00168004 if there's an open Party candidate in TPlTYajelEU-00700-00168005-00168239 like a county election for instance you TPlTYajelEU-00701-00168240-00168454 can grab that nod and there's no way for TPlTYajelEU-00702-00168455-00168719 the local party to say that candidate TPlTYajelEU-00703-00168720-00168911 they got some of their friends to grab TPlTYajelEU-00704-00168912-00169151 our ballot but they're not with us like TPlTYajelEU-00705-00169152-00169349 they we don't want Our Brands to use TPlTYajelEU-00706-00169350-00169540 your your language absolutely so how TPlTYajelEU-00707-00169541-00169699 would you feel about TPlTYajelEU-00708-00169700-00170009 some some mechanism perhaps other than TPlTYajelEU-00709-00170010-00170243 endorsement like raising the threshold TPlTYajelEU-00710-00170244-00170423 of the percentage of right and votes TPlTYajelEU-00711-00170424-00170578 that you need to get or to have some TPlTYajelEU-00712-00170579-00170837 check-in from parties where they've TPlTYajelEU-00713-00170838-00171035 they'd have some say if the person TPlTYajelEU-00714-00171036-00171257 hadn't filed and they want and they won TPlTYajelEU-00715-00171258-00171533 that writing nod yeah yeah I mean that's TPlTYajelEU-00716-00171534-00171845 that's that was sort of another angle TPlTYajelEU-00717-00171846-00172126 that I had had toyed with sort of as a TPlTYajelEU-00718-00172127-00172366 contrast to the kind of approval process TPlTYajelEU-00719-00172367-00172690 is allowing uh you know giving parties TPlTYajelEU-00720-00172691-00173099 some kind of discretion to either uh you TPlTYajelEU-00721-00173100-00173363 know remove names or require something TPlTYajelEU-00722-00173364-00173531 from the can some kind of Engagement TPlTYajelEU-00723-00173532-00173813 with the party and the candidate TPlTYajelEU-00724-00173814-00174137 um to uh to getting their their name on TPlTYajelEU-00725-00174138-00174316 there you know the the reason I didn't TPlTYajelEU-00726-00174317-00174533 sort of lead with that is I feel like TPlTYajelEU-00727-00174534-00174875 there's a lot more unintended problems TPlTYajelEU-00728-00174876-00175037 with that TPlTYajelEU-00729-00175038-00175264 um and we we maybe moved back too far TPlTYajelEU-00730-00175265-00175516 towards that sort of smoke-filled room a TPlTYajelEU-00731-00175517-00175769 lack of transparency there where you TPlTYajelEU-00732-00175770-00176021 know a party can tell somebody you can't TPlTYajelEU-00733-00176022-00176381 run or we're not going to endorse you uh TPlTYajelEU-00734-00176382-00176554 or we're not going to let you have the TPlTYajelEU-00735-00176555-00176819 party the party label TPlTYajelEU-00736-00176820-00177143 um but I but I think if you gave gave TPlTYajelEU-00737-00177144-00177359 parties some kind of mechanism TPlTYajelEU-00738-00177360-00177497 to TPlTYajelEU-00739-00177498-00177575 um TPlTYajelEU-00740-00177576-00177790 yeah I guess as I had always thought of TPlTYajelEU-00741-00177791-00177940 it it would be at the beginning of the TPlTYajelEU-00742-00177941-00178259 primary process allowing the parties to TPlTYajelEU-00743-00178260-00178463 say this person right we could do an TPlTYajelEU-00744-00178464-00178595 inverse of that saying this person TPlTYajelEU-00745-00178596-00178954 doesn't meet party standards uh for for TPlTYajelEU-00746-00178955-00179152 something I don't know if it quite TPlTYajelEU-00747-00179153-00179321 addresses the fact that after they've TPlTYajelEU-00748-00179322-00179483 won the Primary because they got enough TPlTYajelEU-00749-00179484-00179704 write-in votes TPlTYajelEU-00750-00179705-00179854 um that to be seems to be a little TPlTYajelEU-00751-00179855-00180107 stickier situation because they've TPlTYajelEU-00752-00180108-00180316 already won the election TPlTYajelEU-00753-00180317-00180461 um TPlTYajelEU-00754-00180462-00180707 and how do you TPlTYajelEU-00755-00180708-00181001 how do you eliminate sort of Nefarious TPlTYajelEU-00756-00181002-00181297 actors and still encourage TPlTYajelEU-00757-00181298-00181716 genuine kind of Grassroots uh engagement TPlTYajelEU-00758-00181717-00181937 uh it's one of those things where you're TPlTYajelEU-00759-00181938-00182116 gonna you're gonna make an error TPlTYajelEU-00760-00182117-00182261 somewhere and if you're gonna make that TPlTYajelEU-00761-00182262-00182525 error I would rather make the error that TPlTYajelEU-00762-00182526-00182788 includes greater participation TPlTYajelEU-00763-00182789-00183011 uh from from people who maybe haven't TPlTYajelEU-00764-00183012-00183431 understood the process before TPlTYajelEU-00765-00183432-00183683 um but I think you know creating some TPlTYajelEU-00766-00183684-00183863 kind of mechanism where the party gets a TPlTYajelEU-00767-00183864-00183995 check TPlTYajelEU-00768-00183996-00184366 after the um after the primary TPlTYajelEU-00769-00184367-00184493 I don't know what that would look like TPlTYajelEU-00770-00184494-00184751 but that's something I could see myself TPlTYajelEU-00771-00184752-00185087 supporting with some details well I'd TPlTYajelEU-00772-00185088-00185225 love to encourage the committee to think TPlTYajelEU-00773-00185226-00185393 about this particular issue has been on TPlTYajelEU-00774-00185394-00185590 my mind since last August and we're TPlTYajelEU-00775-00185591-00185716 going to hear some testimony tomorrow TPlTYajelEU-00776-00185717-00185975 morning about this very thing so that TPlTYajelEU-00777-00185976-00186197 threshold issue of if you're already on TPlTYajelEU-00778-00186198-00186364 one part of the line TPlTYajelEU-00779-00186365-00186551 what should it really take to get the TPlTYajelEU-00780-00186552-00186754 other major party nominations I think is TPlTYajelEU-00781-00186755-00186935 a key fundamental question that I wanted TPlTYajelEU-00782-00186936-00187090 this committee to look at and put in TPlTYajelEU-00783-00187091-00187276 this bill I really really appreciate you TPlTYajelEU-00784-00187277-00187499 being here chair damn I know you know TPlTYajelEU-00785-00187500-00187714 we're from opposite parties and you've TPlTYajelEU-00786-00187715-00187871 really done a thoughtful job of TPlTYajelEU-00787-00187872-00188014 responding to some of the things we put TPlTYajelEU-00788-00188015-00188154 on the table and TPlTYajelEU-00789-00188155-00188369 really welcome that feedback thank you TPlTYajelEU-00790-00188370-00188488 for being here today TPlTYajelEU-00791-00188489-00188802 um glad to do it thank you TPlTYajelEU-00792-00188803-00189257 so next up uh I believed uh Mr rotsky is TPlTYajelEU-00793-00189258-00189383 here exactly where the Vermont TPlTYajelEU-00794-00189384-00189761 Progressive Party TPlTYajelEU-00795-00189762-00189995 that's welcome to the housego apps thank TPlTYajelEU-00796-00189996-00190211 you thanks for being with us today yes TPlTYajelEU-00797-00190212-00190469 thank you for inviting me so my name is TPlTYajelEU-00798-00190470-00190685 Josh ronsky I'm the executive director TPlTYajelEU-00799-00190686-00190823 of the Vermont Progressive Party I've TPlTYajelEU-00800-00190824-00191093 been in this position since 2016. so TPlTYajelEU-00801-00191094-00191309 I've been through a few election Cycles TPlTYajelEU-00802-00191310-00191507 at this point TPlTYajelEU-00803-00191508-00191711 um yeah so I'll just get right into it TPlTYajelEU-00804-00191712-00191921 um you know we don't have a decent TPlTYajelEU-00805-00191922-00192107 number of The Proposal we don't have TPlTYajelEU-00806-00192108-00192281 strong feelings about um so I really TPlTYajelEU-00807-00192282-00192490 want to focus on TPlTYajelEU-00808-00192491-00192790 um a few a few key areas one of which TPlTYajelEU-00809-00192791-00192976 um being the elimination of candidates TPlTYajelEU-00810-00192977-00193114 to run TPlTYajelEU-00811-00193115-00193421 um as fusion fusion candidates either d TPlTYajelEU-00812-00193422-00193811 slash r or D PD PDR whatever we've had TPlTYajelEU-00813-00193812-00194057 all combinations of fusion candidates in TPlTYajelEU-00814-00194058-00194152 Vermont TPlTYajelEU-00815-00194153-00194723 um so just you know a few quick facts on TPlTYajelEU-00816-00194724-00194969 um Fusion boating and how it kind of TPlTYajelEU-00817-00194970-00195125 operates TPlTYajelEU-00818-00195126-00195281 um in reality TPlTYajelEU-00819-00195282-00195551 um at least in the past election TPlTYajelEU-00820-00195552-00196025 um so in the past in 2022 there were a TPlTYajelEU-00821-00196026-00196402 total of 69 Fusion candidates TPlTYajelEU-00822-00196403-00196738 um that ran in Vermont and eight of them TPlTYajelEU-00823-00196739-00197176 were p d 10 were d slash T 16 were d TPlTYajelEU-00824-00197177-00197525 slash R and 30 were r slash D and then TPlTYajelEU-00825-00197526-00197885 another five were our libertarian TPlTYajelEU-00826-00197886-00198193 um so 69 majority of those are not TPlTYajelEU-00827-00198194-00198443 Progressive Party candidates I'm just TPlTYajelEU-00828-00198444-00198640 kind of saying that to you know show TPlTYajelEU-00829-00198641-00198802 this is something used by all political TPlTYajelEU-00830-00198803-00199085 parties from TPlTYajelEU-00831-00199086-00199337 um so Fusion is really popular among TPlTYajelEU-00832-00199338-00199721 vermonters um of the 69 candidates who TPlTYajelEU-00833-00199722-00199937 ran using Fusion I believe 60 of them TPlTYajelEU-00834-00199938-00200273 actually won including 7p slash d is TPlTYajelEU-00835-00200274-00200788 eight d slash PS 16 d slash R's and 29r TPlTYajelEU-00836-00200789-00201071 slash DS a large number of those are in TPlTYajelEU-00837-00201072-00201407 the county level so 32 were County there TPlTYajelEU-00838-00201408-00201671 were two Statewide 18 TPlTYajelEU-00839-00201672-00201769 um TPlTYajelEU-00840-00201770-00201964 Fusion candidates one in the Vermont TPlTYajelEU-00841-00201965-00202126 house and eight TPlTYajelEU-00842-00202127-00202307 um Fusion candidates believe in the TPlTYajelEU-00843-00202308-00202450 Vermont Senate TPlTYajelEU-00844-00202451-00202607 um so this is something that you know TPlTYajelEU-00845-00202608-00202787 it's being used on every level of TPlTYajelEU-00846-00202788-00202961 government TPlTYajelEU-00847-00202962-00203195 um you know from the county to State and TPlTYajelEU-00848-00203196-00203416 Statewide office by all different TPlTYajelEU-00849-00203417-00203614 political parties and it's been you know TPlTYajelEU-00850-00203615-00203837 fairly popular vermonters like it and I TPlTYajelEU-00851-00203838-00204071 think a major reason why vermonters like TPlTYajelEU-00852-00204072-00204245 Fusion voting is because they appreciate TPlTYajelEU-00853-00204246-00204425 when the parties can actually work TPlTYajelEU-00854-00204426-00204623 together and collaborate on a candidate TPlTYajelEU-00855-00204624-00204827 I think we see so much TPlTYajelEU-00856-00204828-00205001 um vitriol at the national level and TPlTYajelEU-00857-00205002-00205325 even in Vermont that when the political TPlTYajelEU-00858-00205326-00205546 parties get behind the same candidate in TPlTYajelEU-00859-00205548-00205714 certain races TPlTYajelEU-00860-00205715-00205942 um you know vermonters do appreciate TPlTYajelEU-00861-00205944-00206153 that and I think that's that's not a bad TPlTYajelEU-00862-00206154-00206248 thing TPlTYajelEU-00863-00206250-00206314 um TPlTYajelEU-00864-00206315-00206458 we're not the only state that uses TPlTYajelEU-00865-00206459-00206632 Fusion voting there are eight states in TPlTYajelEU-00866-00206633-00206831 total um the biggest one one of the TPlTYajelEU-00867-00206832-00207023 biggest being New York state which has a TPlTYajelEU-00868-00207023-00207281 long history of fusion voting they do it TPlTYajelEU-00869-00207282-00207466 a little bit different than us rather TPlTYajelEU-00870-00207467-00207586 than TPlTYajelEU-00871-00207587-00207934 um having a r d or P slash D on the TPlTYajelEU-00872-00207935-00208162 ballot they have different ballot lines TPlTYajelEU-00873-00208163-00208355 um so there are different ways you know TPlTYajelEU-00874-00208356-00208546 we if there was interest in reforming TPlTYajelEU-00875-00208548-00208762 how Fusion voting operates there are TPlTYajelEU-00876-00208763-00209086 different ways that you know we could TPlTYajelEU-00877-00209087-00209381 um we could do that but in general yeah TPlTYajelEU-00878-00209382-00209525 we are very opposed to the idea of TPlTYajelEU-00879-00209526-00209771 eliminating a candidate's ability to run TPlTYajelEU-00880-00209771-00209975 with two different party labels TPlTYajelEU-00881-00209976-00210317 um Vermont yeah has a long tradition of TPlTYajelEU-00882-00210317-00210581 allowing open affiliation with whatever TPlTYajelEU-00883-00210582-00210827 political party you choose and it really TPlTYajelEU-00884-00210828-00210965 feels like TPlTYajelEU-00885-00210966-00211229 um you know I heard my colleague on the TPlTYajelEU-00886-00211230-00211469 Republican Party talk about how TPlTYajelEU-00887-00211469-00211625 um it's good for voters to have more TPlTYajelEU-00888-00211626-00211798 information and fusion voting is a TPlTYajelEU-00889-00211800-00211984 really good way to do that TPlTYajelEU-00890-00211985-00212171 um what better way for a voter to TPlTYajelEU-00891-00212171-00212398 understand where someone's values lie TPlTYajelEU-00892-00212400-00212663 then by actually having those multiple TPlTYajelEU-00893-00212664-00212855 party labels on the ballot like if TPlTYajelEU-00894-00212856-00213071 you're running as a p slash D that is a TPlTYajelEU-00895-00213071-00213251 very clear understanding that you know TPlTYajelEU-00896-00213252-00213341 you have the support of both TPlTYajelEU-00897-00213342-00213515 progressives and Democrats and you lean TPlTYajelEU-00898-00213516-00213646 more towards the progressive side of the TPlTYajelEU-00899-00213648-00213748 spectrum TPlTYajelEU-00900-00213750-00213965 um ideologically if you're running as an TPlTYajelEU-00901-00213966-00214210 r slash D or a d slash R TPlTYajelEU-00902-00214211-00214360 um it's good for voters to know that TPlTYajelEU-00903-00214361-00214582 both Republicans and Democrats are TPlTYajelEU-00904-00214583-00214769 supporting your candidacy and you're TPlTYajelEU-00905-00214769-00215015 running more to the center potentially TPlTYajelEU-00906-00215016-00215146 um and maybe you're a bridge builder TPlTYajelEU-00907-00215148-00215410 between those two parties TPlTYajelEU-00908-00215411-00215591 um so you know it's it really doesn't TPlTYajelEU-00909-00215592-00215813 feel like something that TPlTYajelEU-00910-00215814-00215927 um TPlTYajelEU-00911-00215928-00216119 that there's a problem that we should be TPlTYajelEU-00912-00216119-00216341 looking to address it feels like this is TPlTYajelEU-00913-00216342-00216575 something that has worked very well in TPlTYajelEU-00914-00216576-00216796 Vermont and it should be continued TPlTYajelEU-00915-00216798-00216892 um TPlTYajelEU-00916-00216894-00217127 so moving on to some of the other the TPlTYajelEU-00917-00217128-00217444 idea that we're going to eliminate TPlTYajelEU-00918-00217446-00217619 um you know as it's often referred to TPlTYajelEU-00919-00217619-00217775 the second buy at the Apple or the sore TPlTYajelEU-00920-00217776-00217877 loser TPlTYajelEU-00921-00217878-00218141 um provision we also disagree with that TPlTYajelEU-00922-00218142-00218398 um yeah I would wonder how many times TPlTYajelEU-00923-00218400-00218573 that has actually happened in recent TPlTYajelEU-00924-00218573-00218746 memory in Vermont I don't think it's a TPlTYajelEU-00925-00218748-00218998 very common instance and generally the TPlTYajelEU-00926-00219000-00219256 Progressive Party we discourage folks TPlTYajelEU-00927-00219257-00219439 yeah TPlTYajelEU-00928-00219440-00219767 I'll just say it happened here yes TPlTYajelEU-00929-00219767-00220127 or against me okay TPlTYajelEU-00930-00220128-00220192 um TPlTYajelEU-00931-00220194-00220481 yeah so it doesn't happen very TPlTYajelEU-00932-00220482-00220601 frequently TPlTYajelEU-00933-00220602-00220810 um although it does happen generally at TPlTYajelEU-00934-00220811-00220942 least speaking for the Progressive Party TPlTYajelEU-00935-00220944-00221134 we discourage TPlTYajelEU-00936-00221135-00221308 um folks within our party from doing TPlTYajelEU-00937-00221309-00221465 that because generally if you do lose a TPlTYajelEU-00938-00221466-00221741 Democratic or Progressive primary TPlTYajelEU-00939-00221742-00221879 um you're not likely to then go on and TPlTYajelEU-00940-00221880-00222244 win the general at the same time I would TPlTYajelEU-00941-00222246-00222592 um point out the fact that Vermont has a TPlTYajelEU-00942-00222594-00222755 huge issue with TPlTYajelEU-00943-00222756-00223037 um uncontested races right so I believe TPlTYajelEU-00944-00223038-00223301 about a third of all Races in Vermont in TPlTYajelEU-00945-00223302-00223582 the past election were uncontested TPlTYajelEU-00946-00223583-00223732 um and that's that's a huge problem TPlTYajelEU-00947-00223733-00223937 right and TPlTYajelEU-00948-00223938-00224201 um this has a potential to actually make TPlTYajelEU-00949-00224202-00224482 that worse right so if we're saying that TPlTYajelEU-00950-00224483-00224632 you can't run TPlTYajelEU-00951-00224633-00224801 um in the general election if you lost TPlTYajelEU-00952-00224802-00225106 the nomination of one political party TPlTYajelEU-00953-00225107-00225287 um that's eliminating more people from TPlTYajelEU-00954-00225288-00225394 being able to run on the general TPlTYajelEU-00955-00225396-00225653 election ballot and you know with so so TPlTYajelEU-00956-00225654-00225856 many uncontested races I think really we TPlTYajelEU-00957-00225857-00226042 should be looking at ways to expand the TPlTYajelEU-00958-00226044-00226187 ability of TPlTYajelEU-00959-00226188-00226337 people to get on the ballot and make TPlTYajelEU-00960-00226338-00226613 that easier and not not make it more TPlTYajelEU-00961-00226614-00226744 challenging for people to get on the TPlTYajelEU-00962-00226746-00227017 ballot the same thing is true with the TPlTYajelEU-00963-00227017-00227369 restrictions so the write-in campaigns TPlTYajelEU-00964-00227369-00227584 um it just feels like it's a further TPlTYajelEU-00965-00227585-00227789 it's a weakening of the democratic TPlTYajelEU-00966-00227790-00228023 process and further cutting down ability TPlTYajelEU-00967-00228023-00228305 of writing candidates to actually TPlTYajelEU-00968-00228306-00228479 um get on the ballot and as my TPlTYajelEU-00969-00228480-00228719 Republican colleague said we have a long TPlTYajelEU-00970-00228719-00228851 project edition of counting every vote TPlTYajelEU-00971-00228852-00228994 in Vermont and I think that that's TPlTYajelEU-00972-00228996-00229258 that's really a good thing if someone is TPlTYajelEU-00973-00229259-00229510 going out and putting their name down TPlTYajelEU-00974-00229511-00229660 and putting a name of a candidate down TPlTYajelEU-00975-00229661-00229829 as a writing candidate TPlTYajelEU-00976-00229830-00230021 um that vote should be counted and we TPlTYajelEU-00977-00230021-00230284 should have a good sense of TPlTYajelEU-00978-00230285-00230356 um TPlTYajelEU-00979-00230357-00230525 you know how many writing votes and who TPlTYajelEU-00980-00230526-00230710 those writing votes are for TPlTYajelEU-00981-00230711-00230873 um because even if they're really TPlTYajelEU-00982-00230873-00231034 unlikely to get elected and I do TPlTYajelEU-00983-00231035-00231196 understand it is a lot of extra work for TPlTYajelEU-00984-00231198-00231448 the town clerks and I appreciate that TPlTYajelEU-00985-00231450-00231623 um it is important for voters to see TPlTYajelEU-00986-00231623-00231760 like where those write-in votes are TPlTYajelEU-00987-00231761-00231898 going TPlTYajelEU-00988-00231900-00232121 um and yeah just the last piece I would TPlTYajelEU-00989-00232121-00232301 comment on TPlTYajelEU-00990-00232302-00232492 um the idea that we're going to TPlTYajelEU-00991-00232494-00232691 eliminate the campaign contribution TPlTYajelEU-00992-00232692-00232871 limits for TPlTYajelEU-00993-00232871-00233105 um candidates between between candidates TPlTYajelEU-00994-00233106-00233242 and political parties I don't think TPlTYajelEU-00995-00233244-00233392 that's a good thing that we should be TPlTYajelEU-00996-00233394-00233489 supporting TPlTYajelEU-00997-00233490-00233710 um vermonters in general I believe want TPlTYajelEU-00998-00233711-00233998 us to get more money out of politics and TPlTYajelEU-00999-00234000-00234239 there are already ways for candidates to TPlTYajelEU-01000-00234240-00234491 you know if you're done running for TPlTYajelEU-01001-00234492-00234605 office and you want to donate the money TPlTYajelEU-01002-00234606-00234731 you can already donate that money to TPlTYajelEU-01003-00234732-00235019 charity or other other other ways and we TPlTYajelEU-01004-00235019-00235181 shouldn't be creating more Avenues to TPlTYajelEU-01005-00235182-00235391 funnel money into the political system TPlTYajelEU-01006-00235392-00235660 and avoid campaign limits we should be TPlTYajelEU-01007-00235661-00235858 looking at ways to TPlTYajelEU-01008-00235859-00236081 um TPlTYajelEU-01009-00236082-00236260 lessen the amount of money in our TPlTYajelEU-01010-00236261-00236423 political system TPlTYajelEU-01011-00236423-00236639 um so yeah those are some of the key TPlTYajelEU-01012-00236640-00236801 points on the actual bill and I would TPlTYajelEU-01013-00236802-00236927 say TPlTYajelEU-01014-00236928-00237023 um TPlTYajelEU-01015-00237023-00237221 you know there are a lot of issues with TPlTYajelEU-01016-00237221-00237358 our current system that and there are TPlTYajelEU-01017-00237359-00237491 reforms that we would support and we TPlTYajelEU-01018-00237492-00237713 think that are really valuable TPlTYajelEU-01019-00237714-00237898 um for this committee and others to look TPlTYajelEU-01020-00237900-00238132 into those include systems such as rant TPlTYajelEU-01021-00238133-00238319 Choice voting which TPlTYajelEU-01022-00238319-00238625 um would expand you know our Democratic TPlTYajelEU-01023-00238626-00238805 and enhance our democratic system TPlTYajelEU-01024-00238806-00238960 um we could look at TPlTYajelEU-01025-00238961-00239182 um what other states have done TPlTYajelEU-01026-00239183-00239315 um in terms of creating a unified TPlTYajelEU-01027-00239316-00239471 primary system TPlTYajelEU-01028-00239471-00239621 um that's that's an interesting model TPlTYajelEU-01029-00239621-00239801 that's worth exploring TPlTYajelEU-01030-00239802-00239921 um and we should also be looking at TPlTYajelEU-01031-00239921-00240113 public financing of Elections TPlTYajelEU-01032-00240114-00240256 um so those are all the types of reforms TPlTYajelEU-01033-00240257-00240455 that we support or at least support TPlTYajelEU-01034-00240456-00240701 exploring but TPlTYajelEU-01035-00240702-00240892 yeah eliminating Fusion voting and TPlTYajelEU-01036-00240894-00241132 eliminating second bite of Apple TPlTYajelEU-01037-00241133-00241469 um we do not support it all and TPlTYajelEU-01038-00241469-00241631 um that's all I have for my testimony TPlTYajelEU-01039-00241632-00241871 happy to answer questions what's TPlTYajelEU-01040-00241871-00242153 happening Senator Cooper TPlTYajelEU-01041-00242154-00242339 Josh thanks for coming uh could you give TPlTYajelEU-01042-00242340-00242531 us a rundown on the unified primary TPlTYajelEU-01043-00242532-00242801 system yeah so the unified primary TPlTYajelEU-01044-00242802-00242908 system TPlTYajelEU-01045-00242909-00243119 um and this is not we haven't this isn't TPlTYajelEU-01046-00243119-00243227 like a statement of support it's just TPlTYajelEU-01047-00243228-00243448 something I think is worth looking at TPlTYajelEU-01048-00243450-00243623 um so basically you have a single TPlTYajelEU-01049-00243623-00243839 primary and every political party TPlTYajelEU-01050-00243840-00244042 candidate runs so there could be like TPlTYajelEU-01051-00244044-00244306 three Democrats three Republicans three TPlTYajelEU-01052-00244307-00244492 progressives TPlTYajelEU-01053-00244494-00244703 um for one seat all on that same primary TPlTYajelEU-01054-00244704-00244913 election ballot no then the top two TPlTYajelEU-01055-00244914-00245110 Independents in that case TPlTYajelEU-01056-00245111-00245315 um I believe that would it probably TPlTYajelEU-01057-00245316-00245525 depends on how it's actually structured TPlTYajelEU-01058-00245526-00245687 how the law is structured TPlTYajelEU-01059-00245688-00245746 um TPlTYajelEU-01060-00245748-00245896 yeah so that's that's a good question TPlTYajelEU-01061-00245898-00246082 I'm unsure and it would probably depend TPlTYajelEU-01062-00246083-00246263 on like how how the law would be written TPlTYajelEU-01063-00246264-00246334 here TPlTYajelEU-01064-00246335-00246425 um whether you want to include TPlTYajelEU-01065-00246426-00246569 Independence or not TPlTYajelEU-01066-00246569-00246725 um but the idea is then you're you're TPlTYajelEU-01067-00246726-00246982 narrowing it down to two candidates TPlTYajelEU-01068-00246983-00247205 um from the from from that primary TPlTYajelEU-01069-00247206-00247469 ballot so you could end up with you know TPlTYajelEU-01070-00247469-00247642 in a very conservative District you TPlTYajelEU-01071-00247644-00247834 could end up with two Republicans in the TPlTYajelEU-01072-00247835-00248008 general election or you could end up TPlTYajelEU-01073-00248009-00248260 with a Democrat and a Republican or a TPlTYajelEU-01074-00248261-00248434 republican in a progressive TPlTYajelEU-01075-00248435-00248729 um so it's a way to kind of TPlTYajelEU-01076-00248730-00248956 um yeah have everyone on the same ballot TPlTYajelEU-01077-00248957-00249125 initially and then it moves on to a TPlTYajelEU-01078-00249126-00249665 second round essentially TPlTYajelEU-01079-00249666-00250006 represent environment so Aiden glass all TPlTYajelEU-01080-00250007-00250331 access Cycles primary 2022 how many TPlTYajelEU-01081-00250332-00250601 Standalone ballots were cast aggressive TPlTYajelEU-01082-00250602-00250769 candidates TPlTYajelEU-01083-00250769-00250932 um are you talking about in the primary TPlTYajelEU-01084-00250933-00251158 I'm actually not sure I don't have those TPlTYajelEU-01085-00251159-00251465 numbers on me right now TPlTYajelEU-01086-00251466-00251675 I'm sorry about that yeah it's easily TPlTYajelEU-01087-00251676-00251903 accessible on the yeah Secretary of TPlTYajelEU-01088-00251904-00252131 State yeah because we did see them I TPlTYajelEU-01089-00252132-00252275 don't remember exactly what it was I TPlTYajelEU-01090-00252276-00252431 remember being a little surprised at how TPlTYajelEU-01091-00252432-00252592 actually low like that never was TPlTYajelEU-01092-00252594-00252875 compared it so if TPlTYajelEU-01093-00252876-00253163 hybrid candidates were no longer allowed TPlTYajelEU-01094-00253164-00253529 moving forward without actually build up TPlTYajelEU-01095-00253530-00253805 voter enthusiasm for TPlTYajelEU-01096-00253806-00254008 a straight P candidate instead of a TPlTYajelEU-01097-00254009-00254158 hybrid going on the Democratic party TPlTYajelEU-01098-00254159-00254339 kind of yeah see what I'm saying yeah no TPlTYajelEU-01099-00254340-00254506 absolutely I think a lot of co-mingling TPlTYajelEU-01100-00254507-00254656 there there is yeah and I think it's TPlTYajelEU-01101-00254657-00254903 it's on all sides right so TPlTYajelEU-01102-00254904-00255023 um we hear all the time you know TPlTYajelEU-01103-00255023-00255341 Republicans are TPlTYajelEU-01104-00255342-00255617 yeah yeah I I would push back on that a TPlTYajelEU-01105-00255617-00255767 little bit I think you know we saw in TPlTYajelEU-01106-00255767-00255892 the Chittenden County State's Attorney's TPlTYajelEU-01107-00255894-00256067 race in Trenton County TPlTYajelEU-01108-00256067-00256253 um a lot of Republicans voting in the TPlTYajelEU-01109-00256254-00256439 Democratic primary um to vote for Sarah TPlTYajelEU-01110-00256440-00256660 Fair Georgia's opponent right and that's TPlTYajelEU-01111-00256661-00256834 you know the potentially thousands of TPlTYajelEU-01112-00256835-00257015 people or at least hundreds and hundreds TPlTYajelEU-01113-00257016-00257146 of people TPlTYajelEU-01114-00257148-00257398 um you know we see that in gubernatorial TPlTYajelEU-01115-00257400-00257830 races um how many votes did you know TPlTYajelEU-01116-00257831-00258017 Phil Scott get on the Democratic you TPlTYajelEU-01117-00258017-00258160 know write-in votes to Phil Scott get in TPlTYajelEU-01118-00258161-00258323 the Democratic primary and I'm sure some TPlTYajelEU-01119-00258323-00258496 of those are Democrats but I think a lot TPlTYajelEU-01120-00258498-00258653 of Republicans if they see a contested TPlTYajelEU-01121-00258654-00258863 race and a Democratic primary for their TPlTYajelEU-01122-00258864-00259042 District they do choose to pull the TPlTYajelEU-01123-00259044-00259192 Democratic ballot so we have an Open TPlTYajelEU-01124-00259194-00259558 Primary system exactly because we want TPlTYajelEU-01125-00259559-00259691 to give voters the choice every election TPlTYajelEU-01126-00259692-00259865 and which primary they want to vote in TPlTYajelEU-01127-00259866-00259991 and TPlTYajelEU-01128-00259992-00260171 um that happens all the time TPlTYajelEU-01129-00260171-00260291 um and yes certainly there are TPlTYajelEU-01130-00260292-00260458 progressives who will vote in the TPlTYajelEU-01131-00260459-00260627 Democratic primary but you're allowed to TPlTYajelEU-01132-00260628-00260819 do that in Vermont and I think that's TPlTYajelEU-01133-00260819-00261058 you know that's part of our political TPlTYajelEU-01134-00261059-00261196 tradition and that's a very good thing TPlTYajelEU-01135-00261198-00261629 would would that shift if we ended TPlTYajelEU-01136-00261630-00261844 Fusion voting um TPlTYajelEU-01137-00261846-00262048 I think certainly there would be more TPlTYajelEU-01138-00262050-00262277 people voting in the Progressive primary TPlTYajelEU-01139-00262278-00262469 as there would probably be more people TPlTYajelEU-01140-00262470-00262630 voting in the Republican primary as well TPlTYajelEU-01141-00262631-00262877 if they had to kind of people had to TPlTYajelEU-01142-00262878-00263129 choose in the same election TPlTYajelEU-01143-00263130-00263195 um TPlTYajelEU-01144-00263196-00263584 but yeah and we may very well have more TPlTYajelEU-01145-00263585-00263825 um three-way races on the state level TPlTYajelEU-01146-00263826-00264071 Statewide level and the house level I TPlTYajelEU-01147-00264072-00264208 think that's certainly a possibility as TPlTYajelEU-01148-00264209-00264341 well TPlTYajelEU-01149-00264342-00264605 um but yeah I don't think that's the TPlTYajelEU-01150-00264606-00264827 direction that vermonters want us to go TPlTYajelEU-01151-00264828-00265013 I think we want to continue this TPlTYajelEU-01152-00265014-00265205 tradition of allowing the political TPlTYajelEU-01153-00265206-00265403 parties to work together TPlTYajelEU-01154-00265404-00265469 um TPlTYajelEU-01155-00265470-00265715 on on candidates when those candidates TPlTYajelEU-01156-00265716-00265877 choose to TPlTYajelEU-01157-00265878-00266039 Josh TPlTYajelEU-01158-00266040-00266267 do you think that TPlTYajelEU-01159-00266268-00266530 so I I think one of the key things you TPlTYajelEU-01160-00266531-00266825 said that struck my ear was this idea of TPlTYajelEU-01161-00266826-00267191 providing information to voters and I TPlTYajelEU-01162-00267192-00267365 don't know how we would do this but do TPlTYajelEU-01163-00267366-00267508 you think it would resolve some of the TPlTYajelEU-01164-00267509-00267641 concern that folks who support TPlTYajelEU-01165-00267642-00267917 eliminating the fusion voting in TPlTYajelEU-01166-00267918-00268084 there was a clear indication for TPlTYajelEU-01167-00268085-00268271 instance in the legislative level of who TPlTYajelEU-01168-00268272-00268421 are you going to caucus with or do you TPlTYajelEU-01169-00268422-00268613 have a party's endorsement because one TPlTYajelEU-01170-00268614-00268805 of the the things I've struggled with as TPlTYajelEU-01171-00268806-00269032 we've considered these policies will be TPlTYajelEU-01172-00269033-00269201 considered you know making modifications TPlTYajelEU-01173-00269202-00269441 of primaries over the years is I do TPlTYajelEU-01174-00269442-00269627 really care about the Integrity of what TPlTYajelEU-01175-00269628-00269758 it says on that ballot and what it's TPlTYajelEU-01176-00269759-00269945 communicating to voters and whether TPlTYajelEU-01177-00269946-00270191 system being as open as it is where a TPlTYajelEU-01178-00270192-00270305 county candidate can get a couple TPlTYajelEU-01179-00270306-00270556 hundred votes and get a party's TPlTYajelEU-01180-00270557-00270743 endorsement that they have no connection TPlTYajelEU-01181-00270744-00271037 to like do you do you think there's any TPlTYajelEU-01182-00271038-00271210 mechanism that your party or you would TPlTYajelEU-01183-00271211-00271571 support to clarify for folks who really TPlTYajelEU-01184-00271572-00271823 is affiliated with a party as as opposed TPlTYajelEU-01185-00271824-00271997 to Just Happening to get a small number TPlTYajelEU-01186-00271998-00272297 of write-ins on on an open Line yeah and TPlTYajelEU-01187-00272298-00272429 I think up a little bit of that is on TPlTYajelEU-01188-00272430-00272597 the party like we we have that issue all TPlTYajelEU-01189-00272598-00272777 the time right like you know it's no TPlTYajelEU-01190-00272778-00272932 secret that TPlTYajelEU-01191-00272933-00273173 um our as a political party we don't run TPlTYajelEU-01192-00273174-00273347 candidates in most races and that's TPlTYajelEU-01193-00273348-00273575 intentional because we are TPlTYajelEU-01194-00273576-00273749 um the smallest of the major parties at TPlTYajelEU-01195-00273750-00273863 this point TPlTYajelEU-01196-00273864-00274241 um and we run races strategically where TPlTYajelEU-01197-00274242-00274456 we feel like we we want to focus our TPlTYajelEU-01198-00274457-00274673 energy and that does create openings TPlTYajelEU-01199-00274674-00274967 like in both Statewide and you know TPlTYajelEU-01200-00274968-00275134 local races for candidates to do exactly TPlTYajelEU-01201-00275135-00275327 what you're saying who you know have no TPlTYajelEU-01202-00275328-00275543 affiliation with us to win those those TPlTYajelEU-01203-00275544-00275753 riding votes and TPlTYajelEU-01204-00275754-00275963 um you know political parties can TPlTYajelEU-01205-00275964-00276149 address that by running candidates in TPlTYajelEU-01206-00276150-00276310 those races even you know they can run TPlTYajelEU-01207-00276311-00276515 and then withdraw that's like one option TPlTYajelEU-01208-00276516-00276689 that parties have and that does happen TPlTYajelEU-01209-00276690-00276929 all the time I believe the Republicans TPlTYajelEU-01210-00276930-00277127 did that for most of their Statewide TPlTYajelEU-01211-00277128-00277301 races or many of their Statewide races TPlTYajelEU-01212-00277302-00277493 in the last election TPlTYajelEU-01213-00277494-00277763 um so a little bit of that is kind of I TPlTYajelEU-01214-00277764-00277967 think could be on the political party TPlTYajelEU-01215-00277968-00278243 kind of to fight that and it's on them TPlTYajelEU-01216-00278244-00278458 to kind of organize in those communities TPlTYajelEU-01217-00278459-00278651 where they're worried about that TPlTYajelEU-01218-00278652-00278873 um you know raising the the write-in TPlTYajelEU-01219-00278874-00279047 threshold I think I haven't thought TPlTYajelEU-01220-00279048-00279305 about that fully but that's something TPlTYajelEU-01221-00279306-00279484 that might you know be worth looking TPlTYajelEU-01222-00279485-00279658 into TPlTYajelEU-01223-00279659-00279851 um and again I would also look at how TPlTYajelEU-01224-00279852-00279995 many times has this actually happened TPlTYajelEU-01225-00279996-00280199 and I know there are some a few like TPlTYajelEU-01226-00280200-00280403 high-profile cases from this past TPlTYajelEU-01227-00280404-00280529 election TPlTYajelEU-01228-00280530-00280775 um but yeah I would really want us to TPlTYajelEU-01229-00280776-00281015 think about how how frequently is that TPlTYajelEU-01230-00281016-00281297 an issue versus you know is it just one TPlTYajelEU-01231-00281298-00281447 or two TPlTYajelEU-01232-00281448-00281597 um high profile instances that we're TPlTYajelEU-01233-00281598-00281813 looking to change the entire kind of TPlTYajelEU-01234-00281814-00282106 election system around TPlTYajelEU-01235-00282107-00282275 representative Cooper TPlTYajelEU-01236-00282276-00282539 uh Mr chair do you mind if we explore TPlTYajelEU-01237-00282540-00282725 some hypotheticals with some historical TPlTYajelEU-01238-00282726-00283037 context so just keep in mind we have one TPlTYajelEU-01239-00283038-00283210 more witness on this topic and we're TPlTYajelEU-01240-00283211-00283510 going to take a look so if so if you uh TPlTYajelEU-01241-00283511-00283732 if it's more something if your specific TPlTYajelEU-01242-00283733-00283889 questions for Mr rotsky and the TPlTYajelEU-01243-00283890-00284110 Progressive Party uh position on the TPlTYajelEU-01244-00284111-00284303 bill I would say let's do that now if TPlTYajelEU-01245-00284304-00284519 you uh want to throw certain things on TPlTYajelEU-01246-00284520-00284680 the table we'll have time to have lots TPlTYajelEU-01247-00284681-00284795 of committee discussion on this bill TPlTYajelEU-01248-00284796-00284921 because we'll be working on it for a TPlTYajelEU-01249-00284922-00285173 while I understand okay totally thank TPlTYajelEU-01250-00285174-00285305 you I really appreciate that I don't TPlTYajelEU-01251-00285306-00285569 wanna I don't wanna make sure we're TPlTYajelEU-01252-00285570-00285737 asking the questions and discussing TPlTYajelEU-01253-00285738-00285923 things at the right time TPlTYajelEU-01254-00285924-00286156 um great well any final questions for Mr TPlTYajelEU-01255-00286157-00286360 ronsky TPlTYajelEU-01256-00286361-00286547 great thank you so much for being here TPlTYajelEU-01257-00286548-00286715 Josh so much I very much appreciate the TPlTYajelEU-01258-00286716-00286919 opportunity and good luck with TPlTYajelEU-01259-00286920-00286986 your work TPlTYajelEU-01260-00286987-00287182 [Applause] TPlTYajelEU-01261-00287183-00287447 and our last witness on this topic uh TPlTYajelEU-01262-00287448-00287675 today is Paul Burns is the executive TPlTYajelEU-01263-00287676-00287908 director at The Purge and Paul thanks TPlTYajelEU-01264-00287909-00288401 for being with us today TPlTYajelEU-01265-00288402-00288730 thank you very much Mr chairman members TPlTYajelEU-01266-00288731-00288947 of the committee for the record my name TPlTYajelEU-01267-00288948-00289121 is Paul Burns I'm the executive director TPlTYajelEU-01268-00289122-00289355 of deeper which is the Vermont public TPlTYajelEU-01269-00289356-00289655 interest research group and TPlTYajelEU-01270-00289656-00289949 um it's a pleasure to be here I have had TPlTYajelEU-01271-00289950-00290225 an opportunity many times uh over the TPlTYajelEU-01272-00290226-00290447 last 22 years uh that I've been doing TPlTYajelEU-01273-00290448-00290651 this work for v-perg to address this TPlTYajelEU-01274-00290652-00290789 committee TPlTYajelEU-01275-00290790-00291005 um as committee members may know veeper TPlTYajelEU-01276-00291006-00291232 works on a broad range of issues from TPlTYajelEU-01277-00291233-00291443 environment to democracy to health care TPlTYajelEU-01278-00291444-00291865 to Consumer Protection Etc and democracy TPlTYajelEU-01279-00291866-00292115 uh kind of writ large is one of the TPlTYajelEU-01280-00292116-00292505 areas where I am chiefly involved as one TPlTYajelEU-01281-00292506-00292679 of the advocates for the organization TPlTYajelEU-01282-00292680-00292930 and I do have a long history here so TPlTYajelEU-01283-00292931-00293134 again a pleasure to be here TPlTYajelEU-01284-00293135-00293387 since it is my first time before the TPlTYajelEU-01285-00293388-00293513 committee this year I want to just TPlTYajelEU-01286-00293514-00293795 provide a brief context and I want to TPlTYajelEU-01287-00293796-00293891 make sure I get it right so I'm going to TPlTYajelEU-01288-00293892-00294025 read some of this TPlTYajelEU-01289-00294026-00294227 I have been the executive director of TPlTYajelEU-01290-00294228-00294389 viewpurg again for more than 22 years TPlTYajelEU-01291-00294390-00294737 vperk itself has operated as a 501c4 TPlTYajelEU-01292-00294738-00295105 non-profit in Vermont for 51 years since TPlTYajelEU-01293-00295106-00295547 1975 we have also had a 501c3 charitable TPlTYajelEU-01294-00295548-00295756 non-profit organization called Vermont TPlTYajelEU-01295-00295757-00295937 public interest research and education TPlTYajelEU-01296-00295938-00296051 fund TPlTYajelEU-01297-00296052-00296267 and in the last several years we became TPlTYajelEU-01298-00296268-00296477 active in candidate elections for the TPlTYajelEU-01299-00296478-00296710 first time launching vperk votes and TPlTYajelEU-01300-00296711-00296975 vperk votes action fund a coordinated TPlTYajelEU-01301-00296976-00297155 political committee and an independent TPlTYajelEU-01302-00297156-00297389 expenditure committee respectively TPlTYajelEU-01303-00297390-00297569 in my testimony today I'll be TPlTYajelEU-01304-00297570-00297851 representing vperg the advocacy arm with TPlTYajelEU-01305-00297852-00298019 which you are no doubt most familiar TPlTYajelEU-01306-00298020-00298480 with uh and and I I will note for the TPlTYajelEU-01307-00298481-00298613 record that V park has long been TPlTYajelEU-01308-00298614-00298787 involved in policy matters related to TPlTYajelEU-01309-00298788-00299003 democratic reform including campaign TPlTYajelEU-01310-00299004-00299315 Finance uh disclosure lobbying ranked TPlTYajelEU-01311-00299316-00299495 Choice voting and various measures that TPlTYajelEU-01312-00299496-00299639 have helped to make it easier for people TPlTYajelEU-01313-00299640-00299897 in the state to vote and today I'm TPlTYajelEU-01314-00299898-00300077 obviously focusing on the miscellaneous TPlTYajelEU-01315-00300078-00300419 elections bill before you and broadly I TPlTYajelEU-01316-00300420-00300569 would say that there are parts of the TPlTYajelEU-01317-00300570-00300760 bill that viewpark supports parts that TPlTYajelEU-01318-00300761-00300982 we oppose uh other parts that we don't TPlTYajelEU-01319-00300983-00301241 have any formal position on and I know TPlTYajelEU-01320-00301242-00301445 the time is brief and so I'd be happy to TPlTYajelEU-01321-00301446-00301721 come back if that's helpful to you but TPlTYajelEU-01322-00301722-00301906 let me uh just kind of run through some TPlTYajelEU-01323-00301907-00302260 of the top lines we support the TPlTYajelEU-01324-00302261-00302471 provision in Section 8 allowing for the TPlTYajelEU-01325-00302472-00302615 voluntary filing and collection of TPlTYajelEU-01326-00302616-00302843 candidates demographic information we TPlTYajelEU-01327-00302844-00303029 believe this is important so Vermont can TPlTYajelEU-01328-00303030-00303221 better track how we're doing as a state TPlTYajelEU-01329-00303222-00303371 when it comes to having people in office TPlTYajelEU-01330-00303372-00303605 who provide Fair representation for the TPlTYajelEU-01331-00303606-00303856 state as a whole we believe that it's TPlTYajelEU-01332-00303857-00304073 valuable to have various perspectives TPlTYajelEU-01333-00304074-00304529 taking uh helping to shape the debate TPlTYajelEU-01334-00304530-00304829 and decide the policy on lots of TPlTYajelEU-01335-00304830-00305015 different issues and priorities TPlTYajelEU-01336-00305016-00305243 collecting these data will allow State TPlTYajelEU-01337-00305244-00305482 the state individuals organizations and TPlTYajelEU-01338-00305483-00305675 candidates to assess where we are and TPlTYajelEU-01339-00305676-00305879 what improvements might be made the fact TPlTYajelEU-01340-00305880-00306101 that the data collection is voluntary I TPlTYajelEU-01341-00306102-00306271 think should help to TPlTYajelEU-01342-00306272-00306503 resolve or remove any concerns about TPlTYajelEU-01343-00306504-00306721 privacy TPlTYajelEU-01344-00306722-00306965 also supports some of the provisions TPlTYajelEU-01345-00306966-00307291 that deal with writing candidates TPlTYajelEU-01346-00307292-00307510 specifically I think serious writing TPlTYajelEU-01347-00307511-00307727 candidates would not should not be TPlTYajelEU-01348-00307728-00307889 dissuaded by the requirement to file TPlTYajelEU-01349-00307890-00308021 with appropriate state or local TPlTYajelEU-01350-00308022-00308243 officials in the days leading up to an TPlTYajelEU-01351-00308244-00308519 election such a requirement eases the TPlTYajelEU-01352-00308520-00308758 burden on local election officials Lord TPlTYajelEU-01353-00308759-00309077 knows that would be a good thing and TPlTYajelEU-01354-00309078-00309377 um and I think we're less serious TPlTYajelEU-01355-00309378-00309623 writing candidates uh this would be the TPlTYajelEU-01356-00309624-00309749 case where less serious writing TPlTYajelEU-01357-00309750-00309929 candidates have almost no chance of TPlTYajelEU-01358-00309930-00310051 winning TPlTYajelEU-01359-00310052-00310289 there are other aspects of the write-in TPlTYajelEU-01360-00310290-00310654 uh policy which we don't are not taking TPlTYajelEU-01361-00310655-00310799 a kind of a formal position on today I'd TPlTYajelEU-01362-00310800-00310937 be happy to kind of think about it and TPlTYajelEU-01363-00310938-00311130 and TPlTYajelEU-01364-00311131-00311363 provide more information later if that's TPlTYajelEU-01365-00311364-00311545 helpful but TPlTYajelEU-01366-00311546-00311837 there are two significant provisions of TPlTYajelEU-01367-00311838-00312065 the bill however the vperk opposes TPlTYajelEU-01368-00312066-00312299 first is section 6 relating to the Cross TPlTYajelEU-01369-00312300-00312443 nominations TPlTYajelEU-01370-00312444-00312653 it's our position that voters benefit TPlTYajelEU-01371-00312654-00312839 from the opportunity to see all TPlTYajelEU-01372-00312840-00313132 candidate party endorsements that a TPlTYajelEU-01373-00313133-00313337 candidate receives cross nominations may TPlTYajelEU-01374-00313338-00313493 tell us something useful and important TPlTYajelEU-01375-00313494-00313679 about the candidate and their beliefs TPlTYajelEU-01376-00313680-00313919 conversely we see no value in denying TPlTYajelEU-01377-00313920-00314080 voters a chance to see that a candidate TPlTYajelEU-01378-00314081-00314291 has received the nomination of multiple TPlTYajelEU-01379-00314292-00314530 parties we don't believe that this is a TPlTYajelEU-01380-00314531-00314795 problem that needs to be fixed and TPlTYajelEU-01381-00314796-00315017 indeed it was mentioned there are TPlTYajelEU-01382-00315018-00315275 opportunities even to strengthen Fusion TPlTYajelEU-01383-00315276-00315473 voting I Come From New York State TPlTYajelEU-01384-00315474-00315721 originally and I will just uh TPlTYajelEU-01385-00315722-00316006 say that my father was a local elected TPlTYajelEU-01386-00316007-00316175 official for 22 years a county TPlTYajelEU-01387-00316176-00316330 legislator there his districts were TPlTYajelEU-01388-00316331-00316680 about the size of yours with 4 000 plus TPlTYajelEU-01389-00316681-00317063 constituents he first ran for office as TPlTYajelEU-01390-00317064-00317291 a Democrat but was cross-endorsed by the TPlTYajelEU-01391-00317292-00317530 conservative party and he had a lot of TPlTYajelEU-01392-00317531-00317729 friends in our small town who assured TPlTYajelEU-01393-00317730-00317879 him they would never have voted for him TPlTYajelEU-01394-00317880-00318089 on the Democratic line but because they TPlTYajelEU-01395-00318090-00318280 could vote for him on a separate line as TPlTYajelEU-01396-00318281-00318629 a conservative he he ultimately won that TPlTYajelEU-01397-00318630-00318827 election he served as primarily as a TPlTYajelEU-01398-00318828-00318958 Democrat for 11 years and then switched TPlTYajelEU-01399-00318959-00319115 to a republican so my you know TPlTYajelEU-01400-00319116-00319379 background is very uh bi or tripartisan TPlTYajelEU-01401-00319380-00319637 in that respect I guess uh from the TPlTYajelEU-01402-00319638-00319793 family history TPlTYajelEU-01403-00319794-00320075 um but I'm not really proposing that you TPlTYajelEU-01404-00320076-00320321 move that direction on Fusion voting TPlTYajelEU-01405-00320322-00320549 here but that's what New York has is TPlTYajelEU-01406-00320550-00320777 your name is literally listed multiple TPlTYajelEU-01407-00320778-00320987 times for each political party where you TPlTYajelEU-01408-00320988-00321239 have an endorsement and that does give I TPlTYajelEU-01409-00321240-00321406 think voters an option that they TPlTYajelEU-01410-00321407-00321580 otherwise do not have gives them that TPlTYajelEU-01411-00321581-00321713 freedom I mean we can criticize what TPlTYajelEU-01412-00321714-00321863 voters some voters feel very strong I'm TPlTYajelEU-01413-00321864-00321995 never going to pull the lever under this TPlTYajelEU-01414-00321996-00322145 political party but I would under TPlTYajelEU-01415-00322146-00322349 another so it kind of frees them up to TPlTYajelEU-01416-00322350-00322589 vote for a candidate if they receive TPlTYajelEU-01417-00322590-00322882 multiple party endorsements TPlTYajelEU-01418-00322883-00323129 and it gives those smaller tend to be TPlTYajelEU-01419-00323130-00323291 smaller political parties a little bit TPlTYajelEU-01420-00323292-00323430 more TPlTYajelEU-01421-00323431-00323680 credibility and Power in an election TPlTYajelEU-01422-00323681-00323969 process as well by by getting involved TPlTYajelEU-01423-00323970-00324184 in a race like that can tip the balance TPlTYajelEU-01424-00324185-00324347 it has in States like New York or TPlTYajelEU-01425-00324348-00324649 Connecticut and others TPlTYajelEU-01426-00324650-00325001 moving then to the question of campaign TPlTYajelEU-01427-00325002-00325204 Finance in this bill this is a provision TPlTYajelEU-01428-00325205-00325325 that would allow candidates to give TPlTYajelEU-01429-00325326-00325499 unlimited contributions TPlTYajelEU-01430-00325500-00325739 two political parties we have been very TPlTYajelEU-01431-00325740-00325919 active on campaign Finance issues for TPlTYajelEU-01432-00325920-00326063 decades TPlTYajelEU-01433-00326064-00326308 our belief is that TPlTYajelEU-01434-00326309-00326567 elections and races are not benefited by TPlTYajelEU-01435-00326568-00326717 allowing for unlimited contributions TPlTYajelEU-01436-00326718-00326963 from any Source in fact we think the TPlTYajelEU-01437-00326964-00327130 opposite is true unlimited contributions TPlTYajelEU-01438-00327131-00327299 or expenditures from very wealthy TPlTYajelEU-01439-00327300-00327647 individuals candidates parties or TPlTYajelEU-01440-00327648-00327887 corporations tend to have a corrupting TPlTYajelEU-01441-00327888-00328175 influence over the process I was at the TPlTYajelEU-01442-00328176-00328445 U.S Supreme Court in February of 2006 TPlTYajelEU-01443-00328446-00328630 when the Vermont case on campaign TPlTYajelEU-01444-00328631-00328841 Finance reform was heard before the U.S TPlTYajelEU-01445-00328842-00329032 Supreme Court it was kind of a proud TPlTYajelEU-01446-00329033-00329195 moment V perk had played a role in TPlTYajelEU-01447-00329196-00329477 passing that law to begin with in 1997 TPlTYajelEU-01448-00329478-00329854 here and you may recall that law set TPlTYajelEU-01449-00329855-00330082 strict limits on campaign contributions TPlTYajelEU-01450-00330083-00330239 two hundred dollars to State Rep TPlTYajelEU-01451-00330240-00330395 candidates three hundred dollars for TPlTYajelEU-01452-00330396-00330521 Senate candidates and four hundred TPlTYajelEU-01453-00330522-00330760 dollars for Statewide candidates TPlTYajelEU-01454-00330761-00331073 quaint I guess uh today but those were TPlTYajelEU-01455-00331074-00331180 the limits that went to the Supreme TPlTYajelEU-01456-00331181-00331475 Court and that that law also passed with TPlTYajelEU-01457-00331476-00331691 an absolute limit on what candidates TPlTYajelEU-01458-00331692-00331984 could spend in their races that was TPlTYajelEU-01459-00331985-00332123 intentionally you could say TPlTYajelEU-01460-00332124-00332380 constitutionally provocative because of TPlTYajelEU-01461-00332381-00332632 the Buckley Valeo decision that had been TPlTYajelEU-01462-00332633-00332837 they had come down in 1976 essentially TPlTYajelEU-01463-00332838-00332993 saying money equals speech and you can't TPlTYajelEU-01464-00332994-00333191 limit what candidates spend in their TPlTYajelEU-01465-00333192-00333515 races however I would point out that the TPlTYajelEU-01466-00333516-00333701 second Circuit Court of Appeals just TPlTYajelEU-01467-00333702-00333917 below the U.S Supreme Court upheld TPlTYajelEU-01468-00333918-00334049 Vermont's provisions on both TPlTYajelEU-01469-00334050-00334354 contributions and on that expenditure TPlTYajelEU-01470-00334355-00334606 limit and had the U.S Supreme Court make TPlTYajelEU-01471-00334607-00334732 up and a little bit different for TPlTYajelEU-01472-00334733-00334913 instance had the 2000 election been TPlTYajelEU-01473-00334914-00335104 decided a little bit differently in the TPlTYajelEU-01474-00335105-00335356 State of Florida we maybe wouldn't have TPlTYajelEU-01475-00335357-00335513 lost that on a six to three Supreme TPlTYajelEU-01476-00335514-00335758 Court uh decision and perhaps would have TPlTYajelEU-01477-00335759-00336082 prevailed there oh I really and I TPlTYajelEU-01478-00336083-00336329 hesitate to interrupt your testimony but TPlTYajelEU-01479-00336330-00336617 I I just want to ask you a question on TPlTYajelEU-01480-00336618-00336929 the specific thing and I I held off from TPlTYajelEU-01481-00336930-00337229 asking Mr ronsky when he characterized TPlTYajelEU-01482-00337230-00337589 uh the this provision in a similar way I TPlTYajelEU-01483-00337590-00337804 supported putting the suggestion into TPlTYajelEU-01484-00337805-00338099 this bill because I believe that in a TPlTYajelEU-01485-00338100-00338345 post-citizens United World the most TPlTYajelEU-01486-00338346-00338579 transparent way that we keep track of TPlTYajelEU-01487-00338580-00338819 who's spending money on what is to have TPlTYajelEU-01488-00338820-00339167 candidates raise money report who's TPlTYajelEU-01489-00339168-00339443 getting those kind contributions and TPlTYajelEU-01490-00339444-00339634 then if they want to work with their TPlTYajelEU-01491-00339635-00339856 party to help get themselves elected TPlTYajelEU-01492-00339857-00339989 higher Staff TPlTYajelEU-01493-00339990-00340223 Etc they should be able to freely do TPlTYajelEU-01494-00340224-00340432 that as long as it's totally transparent TPlTYajelEU-01495-00340433-00340589 how they're spending that's why I TPlTYajelEU-01496-00340590-00340823 supported this increase just from TPlTYajelEU-01497-00340824-00340949 candidates TPlTYajelEU-01498-00340950-00341237 to their parties so that there is TPlTYajelEU-01499-00341238-00341447 transparency because the reality in a TPlTYajelEU-01500-00341448-00341584 post TPlTYajelEU-01501-00341585-00341837 citizens united world is there are lots TPlTYajelEU-01502-00341838-00341975 of ways that you can get the money there TPlTYajelEU-01503-00341976-00342215 but they're the least transparent ways TPlTYajelEU-01504-00342216-00342401 so I'm wondering if you could just end TPlTYajelEU-01505-00342402-00342629 up like respond to that version of the TPlTYajelEU-01506-00342630-00342821 framing of why that Provisions in the TPlTYajelEU-01507-00342822-00343025 bill the Supreme Court has made it TPlTYajelEU-01508-00343026-00343204 probably difficult to achieve a lot of TPlTYajelEU-01509-00343205-00343469 the aims that that I'm guessing we may TPlTYajelEU-01510-00343470-00343601 share or the values that we would like TPlTYajelEU-01511-00343602-00343793 to see in elections I grant that that is TPlTYajelEU-01512-00343794-00344027 absolutely the case so the question has TPlTYajelEU-01513-00344028-00344182 often come down to well maybe is TPlTYajelEU-01514-00344183-00344375 transparency the way to go and just have TPlTYajelEU-01515-00344376-00344627 greater transparency and no limits on TPlTYajelEU-01516-00344628-00344945 contributions than expenditures and we TPlTYajelEU-01517-00344946-00345191 have maintained a belief that that is TPlTYajelEU-01518-00345192-00345463 not the way to go to move away from TPlTYajelEU-01519-00345464-00345784 reasonable limits on contributions and TPlTYajelEU-01520-00345785-00345923 you can look at reasons why why do TPlTYajelEU-01521-00345924-00346049 people give to candidates so I think TPlTYajelEU-01522-00346050-00346175 most people give so that they can help TPlTYajelEU-01523-00346176-00346349 that candidate get elected to office not TPlTYajelEU-01524-00346350-00346504 necessarily so that that candidate can TPlTYajelEU-01525-00346505-00346660 turn around and use that money for some TPlTYajelEU-01526-00346661-00346810 other purpose even backing up the TPlTYajelEU-01527-00346811-00347015 political party uh that that candidate TPlTYajelEU-01528-00347016-00347219 happens to belong to so you can ask you TPlTYajelEU-01529-00347220-00347495 know is is that the right way to allow TPlTYajelEU-01530-00347496-00347680 for that kind of money to flow through TPlTYajelEU-01531-00347681-00348082 the system we are in a sense allowing uh TPlTYajelEU-01532-00348083-00348371 our laws to be circumvented by if we TPlTYajelEU-01533-00348372-00348508 were to allow candidates to make TPlTYajelEU-01534-00348509-00348808 unlimited contributions I think the also TPlTYajelEU-01535-00348809-00349054 the idea of unlimited is also giving me TPlTYajelEU-01536-00349055-00349360 and perhaps others pause here um and is TPlTYajelEU-01537-00349361-00349510 that really necessary I mean how many TPlTYajelEU-01538-00349511-00349721 candidates can we imagine who are going TPlTYajelEU-01539-00349722-00349906 to make a contribution of a million TPlTYajelEU-01540-00349907-00350123 dollars to a political party here and TPlTYajelEU-01541-00350124-00350351 yet one could um with this kind of thing TPlTYajelEU-01542-00350352-00350591 perhaps a retiring U.S senator might TPlTYajelEU-01543-00350592-00350884 decide uh that he or she wanted to make TPlTYajelEU-01544-00350885-00351004 that kind of a contribution to a party TPlTYajelEU-01545-00351005-00351203 and I don't I don't think that would be TPlTYajelEU-01546-00351204-00351473 fair I mean I don't think that really is TPlTYajelEU-01547-00351474-00351641 what was intended by the people who made TPlTYajelEU-01548-00351642-00351803 those contributions to that candidate TPlTYajelEU-01549-00351804-00351982 and I don't think that's really fair for TPlTYajelEU-01550-00351983-00352163 our election system here that one party TPlTYajelEU-01551-00352164-00352391 could be advantaged in that massive way TPlTYajelEU-01552-00352392-00352654 by the decision of one individual who TPlTYajelEU-01553-00352655-00352799 happened to use the wealth that they TPlTYajelEU-01554-00352800-00352978 accumulated by receiving these TPlTYajelEU-01555-00352979-00353215 contributions so TPlTYajelEU-01556-00353216-00353567 that scenario that you talked about is TPlTYajelEU-01557-00353568-00353899 is current law today for senators TPlTYajelEU-01558-00353900-00354119 members of Congress that are elected TPlTYajelEU-01559-00354120-00354334 from Vermont they they can make those TPlTYajelEU-01560-00354335-00354610 contributions unlimited and the proposal TPlTYajelEU-01561-00354611-00354845 we have before us is to say Statewide TPlTYajelEU-01562-00354846-00355013 candidates for Governor Secretary of TPlTYajelEU-01563-00355014-00355330 State Etc could also do that yeah TPlTYajelEU-01564-00355331-00355727 um would vperk feel more inclined to to TPlTYajelEU-01565-00355728-00356003 support or be neutral if we came up with TPlTYajelEU-01566-00356004-00356195 some reasonable threshold because ten TPlTYajelEU-01567-00356196-00356410 thousand dollars in the modern era is TPlTYajelEU-01568-00356411-00356651 just it's absurdly small it asks TPlTYajelEU-01569-00356652-00357034 Statewide candidates to get Pacs to TPlTYajelEU-01570-00357035-00357287 contribute on their behalf and that is TPlTYajelEU-01571-00357288-00357545 the least transparent way to run an TPlTYajelEU-01572-00357546-00357706 election and ten thousand dollars for a TPlTYajelEU-01573-00357707-00358013 Statewide race uh from their campaign to TPlTYajelEU-01574-00358014-00358217 a party doesn't allow for hardly any TPlTYajelEU-01575-00358218-00358469 collaboration I mean it wouldn't pay one TPlTYajelEU-01576-00358470-00358649 fraction of one staff person's salary TPlTYajelEU-01577-00358650-00358882 for instance so that's just the kind of TPlTYajelEU-01578-00358883-00359063 thing I'm wrestling with this bill is TPlTYajelEU-01579-00359064-00359177 how do we TPlTYajelEU-01580-00359178-00359453 you know have some reasonable way for a TPlTYajelEU-01581-00359454-00359693 Statewide candidate to TPlTYajelEU-01582-00359694-00359891 coordinate with the party without having TPlTYajelEU-01583-00359892-00360077 an end run around our transparency TPlTYajelEU-01584-00360078-00360269 system yeah but to be clear we don't TPlTYajelEU-01585-00360270-00360371 support the idea that the federal TPlTYajelEU-01586-00360372-00360515 candidates can spend their money that TPlTYajelEU-01587-00360516-00360941 way clear but I understand TPlTYajelEU-01588-00360942-00361330 um and yeah um I mean unlimited is TPlTYajelEU-01589-00361331-00361480 particularly problematic if we're TPlTYajelEU-01590-00361481-00361630 talking about something else and yes you TPlTYajelEU-01591-00361631-00361787 know uh we can have some conversation TPlTYajelEU-01592-00361788-00362171 about that we have uh so probably enough TPlTYajelEU-01593-00362172-00362339 said there but I'd be happy to revisit TPlTYajelEU-01594-00362340-00362482 we have commented on these laws we've TPlTYajelEU-01595-00362483-00362621 commented on Ten Thousand we comment on TPlTYajelEU-01596-00362622-00362741 all the others that are in place now TPlTYajelEU-01597-00362742-00362903 these are these are aspects of Vermont TPlTYajelEU-01598-00362904-00363137 law that we have been rather involved in TPlTYajelEU-01599-00363138-00363353 over the years so would be happy to TPlTYajelEU-01600-00363354-00363487 engage in further conversation TPlTYajelEU-01601-00363488-00363730 representative thank you TPlTYajelEU-01602-00363731-00363821 um TPlTYajelEU-01603-00363822-00363982 okay so if you've never been to the U.S TPlTYajelEU-01604-00363983-00364156 Supreme Court I encourage you to go it TPlTYajelEU-01605-00364157-00364319 is democracy in action and even if you TPlTYajelEU-01606-00364320-00364547 don't win the case it is an awesome TPlTYajelEU-01607-00364548-00364889 thing to see and observe and to be there TPlTYajelEU-01608-00364890-00365080 as Vermont's campaign Finance law was TPlTYajelEU-01609-00365081-00365195 debated in front of the Supreme Court TPlTYajelEU-01610-00365196-00365332 was a really special TPlTYajelEU-01611-00365333-00365549 um experience it happened that Anna TPlTYajelEU-01612-00365550-00365680 Nicole Smith was there on the same day TPlTYajelEU-01613-00365681-00365921 having her case argued and um that's TPlTYajelEU-01614-00365922-00366280 another story so TPlTYajelEU-01615-00366281-00366419 um TPlTYajelEU-01616-00366420-00366647 those are the TPlTYajelEU-01617-00366648-00366875 um Chief Provisions that in this field TPlTYajelEU-01618-00366876-00367025 there are others that we really don't TPlTYajelEU-01619-00367026-00367187 have an organizational position on I TPlTYajelEU-01620-00367188-00367343 know there are a keen interest to this TPlTYajelEU-01621-00367344-00367456 committee and you've received some other TPlTYajelEU-01622-00367457-00367582 testimony and consideration there TPlTYajelEU-01623-00367583-00367715 they're just not things that deeper TPlTYajelEU-01624-00367716-00367967 itself has weighed in on at this point I TPlTYajelEU-01625-00367968-00368189 would say that in terms of other ways of TPlTYajelEU-01626-00368190-00368327 looking at these elections and how they TPlTYajelEU-01627-00368328-00368567 might move forward I encourage the TPlTYajelEU-01628-00368568-00368903 committee to be open to ideas like TPlTYajelEU-01629-00368904-00369065 Banning corporate contributions Direct TPlTYajelEU-01630-00369066-00369227 Corporate contributions to candidates TPlTYajelEU-01631-00369228-00369347 this is something that we have been TPlTYajelEU-01632-00369348-00369484 supporting for years the Senate has TPlTYajelEU-01633-00369485-00369706 passed that legislation a few times we TPlTYajelEU-01634-00369707-00369851 hope that it will be taken up again this TPlTYajelEU-01635-00369852-00370030 year as part of that bill they've also TPlTYajelEU-01636-00370031-00370180 looked at ways to improve our public TPlTYajelEU-01637-00370181-00370439 financing system which is on the books TPlTYajelEU-01638-00370440-00370703 today but is it is not really TPlTYajelEU-01639-00370704-00370967 um an effective or usable system for TPlTYajelEU-01640-00370968-00371117 those who are serious candidates for you TPlTYajelEU-01641-00371118-00371284 know if they intend to get elected why TPlTYajelEU-01642-00371285-00371465 do we keep a law on the books that is TPlTYajelEU-01643-00371466-00371627 like that I mean it maybe make us feel TPlTYajelEU-01644-00371628-00371777 good that we've got public financing but TPlTYajelEU-01645-00371778-00372047 if it's not real I don't think that's um TPlTYajelEU-01646-00372048-00372239 that's a good thing and so we encourage TPlTYajelEU-01647-00372240-00372413 you to consider ways to change that TPlTYajelEU-01648-00372414-00372628 there are ideas like democracy dollars TPlTYajelEU-01649-00372629-00372784 being that has been used in a couple of TPlTYajelEU-01650-00372785-00372928 elections in Seattle that we are TPlTYajelEU-01651-00372929-00373151 particularly supportive of and that was TPlTYajelEU-01652-00373152-00373301 listed specifically in previous TPlTYajelEU-01653-00373302-00373493 legislation that was passed by the TPlTYajelEU-01654-00373494-00373613 Senate TPlTYajelEU-01655-00373614-00373751 um I think you know we support ranked TPlTYajelEU-01656-00373752-00373954 Choice voting um we're very active in TPlTYajelEU-01657-00373955-00374075 the Burlington TPlTYajelEU-01658-00374076-00374249 um town meeting day which will be a TPlTYajelEU-01659-00374250-00374423 proposal to expand right choice voting TPlTYajelEU-01660-00374424-00374597 there it'll also be used in All City TPlTYajelEU-01661-00374598-00374758 District city council races in TPlTYajelEU-01662-00374759-00375028 Burlington and was used effectively in TPlTYajelEU-01663-00375029-00375263 the December 6th special election for a TPlTYajelEU-01664-00375264-00375406 city council race in Burlington went TPlTYajelEU-01665-00375407-00375569 really well would love to come back and TPlTYajelEU-01666-00375570-00375769 talk more about that at some point TPlTYajelEU-01667-00375770-00375958 ranked Choice voting has also been TPlTYajelEU-01668-00375959-00376234 paired with uh something similar to what TPlTYajelEU-01669-00376235-00376469 Mr ronsky spoke of earlier which is a TPlTYajelEU-01670-00376470-00376660 kind of a winnowing of the field in the TPlTYajelEU-01671-00376661-00376865 primary and there's something called TPlTYajelEU-01672-00376866-00377219 final four or final five policies that TPlTYajelEU-01673-00377220-00377404 are in place in other places so for TPlTYajelEU-01674-00377405-00377554 instance some of you may have watched TPlTYajelEU-01675-00377555-00377891 Alaska the special election for the TPlTYajelEU-01676-00377892-00378106 congressional seat in Alaska got a lot TPlTYajelEU-01677-00378107-00378299 of attention because both Sarah Palin TPlTYajelEU-01678-00378300-00378484 and Santa Claus were running in at race TPlTYajelEU-01679-00378485-00378784 and uh it was ultimately won by a TPlTYajelEU-01680-00378785-00378995 Democrat but the way they run the TPlTYajelEU-01681-00378996-00379169 primary there is that you can be of any TPlTYajelEU-01682-00379170-00379337 political party or I believe independent TPlTYajelEU-01683-00379338-00379697 candidates as well and the top four move TPlTYajelEU-01684-00379698-00379895 on to the general election TPlTYajelEU-01685-00379896-00380051 whatever product it could be four TPlTYajelEU-01686-00380052-00380243 Republicans four Democrats whatever mix TPlTYajelEU-01687-00380244-00380495 uh Etc and and then that general TPlTYajelEU-01688-00380496-00380680 election is decided on a ranked Choice TPlTYajelEU-01689-00380681-00380993 voting ballot and so you choose those TPlTYajelEU-01690-00380994-00381160 candidates you can rank them one to four TPlTYajelEU-01691-00381161-00381334 or choose not to do if that's your TPlTYajelEU-01692-00381335-00381425 preference TPlTYajelEU-01693-00381426-00381628 um but that's the way the the Alaska TPlTYajelEU-01694-00381629-00381839 special election and the general TPlTYajelEU-01695-00381840-00382001 election were held TPlTYajelEU-01696-00382002-00382223 um and that is uh how Senator murkowski TPlTYajelEU-01697-00382224-00382487 was also re-elected uh a relatively TPlTYajelEU-01698-00382488-00382630 moderate Republican and there was TPlTYajelEU-01699-00382631-00382769 concerned that there was no way she was TPlTYajelEU-01700-00382770-00382937 going to win a Republican primary in TPlTYajelEU-01701-00382938-00383141 Alaska anymore unless it had an open TPlTYajelEU-01702-00383142-00383417 process like this and that is one of the TPlTYajelEU-01703-00383418-00383597 reasons why Alaska moved forward they TPlTYajelEU-01704-00383598-00383860 can barely read state in terms of TPlTYajelEU-01705-00383861-00384065 national politics and adopted ranked TPlTYajelEU-01706-00384066-00384232 Choice voting to allow for a more TPlTYajelEU-01707-00384233-00384467 moderate candidate giving that more TPlTYajelEU-01708-00384468-00384634 moderate candidate the possibility of TPlTYajelEU-01709-00384635-00384941 moving forward in the election so I just TPlTYajelEU-01710-00384942-00385103 encourage you to think about that there TPlTYajelEU-01711-00385104-00385384 are other ways of going forward and we TPlTYajelEU-01712-00385385-00385582 support as a kind of a first step in TPlTYajelEU-01713-00385583-00385756 this field simply using ranked Choice TPlTYajelEU-01714-00385757-00385889 voting for the next Presidential Prime TPlTYajelEU-01715-00385890-00386177 area here which would be in obviously TPlTYajelEU-01716-00386178-00386447 next year in 2024 a half dozen or so TPlTYajelEU-01717-00386448-00386603 states are already using ranked Choice TPlTYajelEU-01718-00386604-00386777 voting in the presidential primary and TPlTYajelEU-01719-00386778-00387004 they are the key incentive I think is TPlTYajelEU-01720-00387005-00387221 that by the time the primary takes place TPlTYajelEU-01721-00387222-00387419 in Vermont we now have mail-in voting TPlTYajelEU-01722-00387420-00387647 that many people use but if you vote TPlTYajelEU-01723-00387648-00387958 early a good chance well it's not TPlTYajelEU-01724-00387959-00388145 uncommon for the candidate you you TPlTYajelEU-01725-00388146-00388313 supported it when you set your ballot in TPlTYajelEU-01726-00388314-00388523 is no longer in the race by the time our TPlTYajelEU-01727-00388524-00388691 primary takes place and thousands of TPlTYajelEU-01728-00388692-00388930 vermonters have been disenfranchised or TPlTYajelEU-01729-00388931-00389128 their votes have been wasted when a TPlTYajelEU-01730-00389129-00389297 candidate has dropped out before the TPlTYajelEU-01731-00389298-00389501 primary even takes place here in case of TPlTYajelEU-01732-00389502-00389608 the presidential and I think that's one TPlTYajelEU-01733-00389609-00389723 of the most important reasons to TPlTYajelEU-01734-00389724-00389939 consider ranked choice in that situation TPlTYajelEU-01735-00389940-00390041 I know that's not what you're TPlTYajelEU-01736-00390042-00390251 considering as part of this so I will TPlTYajelEU-01737-00390252-00390484 just say uh while we're on it that um I TPlTYajelEU-01738-00390485-00390778 know Senator Hardy's uh our counterpart TPlTYajelEU-01739-00390779-00391030 is taking a lot of testimony on ranked TPlTYajelEU-01740-00391031-00391217 Choice voting I imagine that we'll have TPlTYajelEU-01741-00391218-00391397 a charter change bill from Burlington if TPlTYajelEU-01742-00391398-00391595 that measure to expand the RCB there TPlTYajelEU-01743-00391596-00391889 passes so that is a topic that I would TPlTYajelEU-01744-00391890-00392147 encourage the committee to start doing TPlTYajelEU-01745-00392148-00392327 your your reading on them because TPlTYajelEU-01746-00392328-00392549 there's a lot to it and uh I know that TPlTYajelEU-01747-00392550-00392777 deeper is a big advocate for it I'm sure TPlTYajelEU-01748-00392778-00392980 we will be talking about rcd later in TPlTYajelEU-01749-00392981-00393143 the session report to it thank you and TPlTYajelEU-01750-00393144-00393269 thanks so thanks very much for the TPlTYajelEU-01751-00393270-00393389 opportunity to provide testimony be TPlTYajelEU-01752-00393390-00393580 happy to answer any questions TPlTYajelEU-01753-00393581-00394060 questions for Paul TPlTYajelEU-01754-00394061-00394578 really I was the only one yeah TPlTYajelEU-01755-00394579-00395003 Paul in an ideal world uh how soon would TPlTYajelEU-01756-00395004-00395278 we adopt ranked Choice voting outright TPlTYajelEU-01757-00395279-00395482 I think there are probably steps that we TPlTYajelEU-01758-00395483-00395717 would take as a state so again I think TPlTYajelEU-01759-00395718-00395908 giving voters Statewide the opportunity TPlTYajelEU-01760-00395909-00396137 to try out ranked Choice voting on a TPlTYajelEU-01761-00396138-00396275 ballot where it's the only thing on the TPlTYajelEU-01762-00396276-00396443 ballot for the presidential primary has TPlTYajelEU-01763-00396444-00396634 real Merit there's no confusion there TPlTYajelEU-01764-00396635-00396778 for the voters that there's multiple TPlTYajelEU-01765-00396779-00396910 offices some with ranked Choice some TPlTYajelEU-01766-00396911-00397127 without so I think getting a chance to TPlTYajelEU-01767-00397128-00397349 try that out in a presidential primary TPlTYajelEU-01768-00397350-00397523 where again a number of states have done TPlTYajelEU-01769-00397524-00397715 it we're not inventing the wheel here we TPlTYajelEU-01770-00397716-00397906 can look to how they have done it and TPlTYajelEU-01771-00397907-00398069 participate in Broad public education TPlTYajelEU-01772-00398070-00398345 around it in that instance as well I TPlTYajelEU-01773-00398346-00398465 think from there we would probably look TPlTYajelEU-01774-00398466-00398687 at the federal races here U.S Congress TPlTYajelEU-01775-00398688-00398952 and U.S Senate there are no issues about TPlTYajelEU-01776-00398953-00399191 constitutionality for those offices that TPlTYajelEU-01777-00399192-00399413 they exist now Maine for instance has TPlTYajelEU-01778-00399414-00399599 used it Alaska as I mentioned in other TPlTYajelEU-01779-00399600-00399839 states that are looking at that as well TPlTYajelEU-01780-00399840-00400097 um and so I think that could happen you TPlTYajelEU-01781-00400098-00400289 could look at that in 2026 or something TPlTYajelEU-01782-00400290-00400493 like that but uh but then as you move TPlTYajelEU-01783-00400494-00400673 forward there are other questions I will TPlTYajelEU-01784-00400674-00401008 say with respect to Statewide offices I TPlTYajelEU-01785-00401009-00401182 think it might make a lot of sense for a TPlTYajelEU-01786-00401183-00401302 governor and lieutenant governor under TPlTYajelEU-01787-00401303-00401513 here where we have with all due respect TPlTYajelEU-01788-00401514-00401789 a very undemocratic process if a TPlTYajelEU-01789-00401790-00401945 candidate running for governor receives TPlTYajelEU-01790-00401946-00402173 less than less than 50 percent it goes TPlTYajelEU-01791-00402174-00402395 to all of you you decide on a secret TPlTYajelEU-01792-00402396-00402658 ballot who our governor is TPlTYajelEU-01793-00402659-00402952 um right that's that's unusual TPlTYajelEU-01794-00402953-00403265 um and not very Democratic uh to be uh TPlTYajelEU-01795-00403266-00403475 perfectly honest and um the last time TPlTYajelEU-01796-00403476-00403667 that happened in a gubernatorial race TPlTYajelEU-01797-00403668-00404104 there were nearly 70 uh uh legislators TPlTYajelEU-01798-00404105-00404260 who voted for the second place finisher TPlTYajelEU-01799-00404261-00404704 in that case and again uh TPlTYajelEU-01800-00404705-00404830 say I don't think that's the best TPlTYajelEU-01801-00404831-00405004 process I would love to see this but TPlTYajelEU-01802-00405005-00405167 there are constitutional questions there TPlTYajelEU-01803-00405168-00405425 that would need to be addressed or TPlTYajelEU-01804-00405426-00405617 figured out we think it is it would be TPlTYajelEU-01805-00405618-00405760 constitutional others take a different TPlTYajelEU-01806-00405761-00405958 opinion about that because of the way TPlTYajelEU-01807-00405959-00406115 that our specific constitutional TPlTYajelEU-01808-00406116-00406391 language says it goes to the legislature TPlTYajelEU-01809-00406392-00406697 if nobody gets 50 overall you endorse an TPlTYajelEU-01810-00406698-00406901 incremental approach yeah I think that TPlTYajelEU-01811-00406902-00407087 makes sense and it and that's exactly TPlTYajelEU-01812-00407088-00407201 kind of the path that we're on with TPlTYajelEU-01813-00407202-00407458 Burlington the largest city using it TPlTYajelEU-01814-00407459-00407645 implementing it and moving to expand it TPlTYajelEU-01815-00407646-00407819 potentially for presidential primaries TPlTYajelEU-01816-00407820-00408173 and then Federal and then we'll see TPlTYajelEU-01817-00408174-00408419 right I think we will definitely be TPlTYajelEU-01818-00408420-00408628 having you back Mr Burns so thank you TPlTYajelEU-01819-00408629-00408863 very much for bringing the perspective TPlTYajelEU-01820-00408864-00409013 to our bill TPlTYajelEU-01821-00409014-00409121 um we're going to have representative TPlTYajelEU-01822-00409122-00409313 bloomley in in just a bit so I want to TPlTYajelEU-01823-00409314-00409469 give the committee 10 minutes so we'll TPlTYajelEU-01824-00409470-00410251 go off live and be back at 3 33. TPlTYajelEU-01825-00410252-00410459 all right welcome back to the second TPlTYajelEU-01826-00410460-00410759 half of our Valentine's Day uh testimony TPlTYajelEU-01827-00410760-00410932 here at the last government operation TPlTYajelEU-01828-00410933-00411160 military Affairs committee uh I want to TPlTYajelEU-01829-00411162-00411424 welcome representative bloomley and um TPlTYajelEU-01830-00411425-00411568 you're going to talk to us a little bit TPlTYajelEU-01831-00411569-00411797 about I'm forgetting the bill number age TPlTYajelEU-01832-00411797-00412043 226 which is uh TPlTYajelEU-01833-00412043-00412210 and acts relating to candidate TPlTYajelEU-01834-00412212-00412366 information to be provided by the TPlTYajelEU-01835-00412367-00412637 secretary of state which uh we I got out TPlTYajelEU-01836-00412638-00412757 a little bit ahead of you with some of TPlTYajelEU-01837-00412758-00412937 our committee Bill language but here you TPlTYajelEU-01838-00412938-00413041 are TPlTYajelEU-01839-00413042-00413243 that's all right it's always nice when TPlTYajelEU-01840-00413243-00413464 somebody likes Medea enough to put it TPlTYajelEU-01841-00413466-00413626 into something else TPlTYajelEU-01842-00413627-00413920 um so for the record typically from uh TPlTYajelEU-01843-00413921-00414107 representative from Burlington TPlTYajelEU-01844-00414108-00414203 um TPlTYajelEU-01845-00414204-00414472 so some of you may know that in a past TPlTYajelEU-01846-00414473-00414880 life between 1998 and 2015 I ran an TPlTYajelEU-01847-00414881-00415037 organization called Vermont works for TPlTYajelEU-01848-00415038-00415264 women which was focused specifically on TPlTYajelEU-01849-00415266-00415487 when increasing women's Economic TPlTYajelEU-01850-00415488-00415624 Opportunity TPlTYajelEU-01851-00415625-00415810 um and their abilities support TPlTYajelEU-01852-00415812-00416134 themselves and their families during TPlTYajelEU-01853-00416135-00416363 that time I came to this body many many TPlTYajelEU-01854-00416364-00416584 times never imagining I would actually TPlTYajelEU-01855-00416585-00416749 sit in this body TPlTYajelEU-01856-00416750-00417089 and I was asked to testify on our TPlTYajelEU-01857-00417089-00417389 programs and the need for them and to do TPlTYajelEU-01858-00417389-00417622 that I needed state employment and TPlTYajelEU-01859-00417623-00417874 state-sponsored training data Broken Out TPlTYajelEU-01860-00417875-00418037 by gender TPlTYajelEU-01861-00418038-00418409 year after year it was never available TPlTYajelEU-01862-00418410-00418739 and so in 2015 in frustration I founded TPlTYajelEU-01863-00418739-00418966 another non-profit initiative called TPlTYajelEU-01864-00418967-00419230 change the story which focused on TPlTYajelEU-01865-00419231-00419447 developing that data and because TPlTYajelEU-01866-00419447-00419731 changing the story really hinges upon TPlTYajelEU-01867-00419732-00419941 telling the story TPlTYajelEU-01868-00419942-00420305 the value of demographic data enables us TPlTYajelEU-01869-00420306-00420545 to know more about those who are being TPlTYajelEU-01870-00420546-00420916 served by the programs that we fund and TPlTYajelEU-01871-00420917-00421229 who we may not be reaching and it helps TPlTYajelEU-01872-00421230-00421564 flesh out a picture of where we are and TPlTYajelEU-01873-00421566-00421849 can indicate where we might want to to TPlTYajelEU-01874-00421850-00422170 dedicate energy moving forward TPlTYajelEU-01875-00422171-00422441 study after study after study has TPlTYajelEU-01876-00422442-00422729 demonstrated the benefits of diversity TPlTYajelEU-01877-00422730-00423097 to teams of scientists to TPlTYajelEU-01878-00423097-00423587 workplaces to bodies like this and this TPlTYajelEU-01879-00423588-00423820 body and the administration have been TPlTYajelEU-01880-00423821-00424085 really clear about our need to attract TPlTYajelEU-01881-00424085-00424439 and support a more a diverse Workforce TPlTYajelEU-01882-00424439-00424691 and encourage people to come and live TPlTYajelEU-01883-00424692-00424931 here and to do that we really have to TPlTYajelEU-01884-00424932-00425164 work to make Vermont a place where TPlTYajelEU-01885-00425165-00425422 Equity matters and one of the measures TPlTYajelEU-01886-00425423-00425651 by which we can measure our progress TPlTYajelEU-01887-00425652-00425785 against TPlTYajelEU-01888-00425785-00426155 that goal is how well Vermont's full TPlTYajelEU-01889-00426156-00426347 complement of perspectives and TPlTYajelEU-01890-00426347-00426649 experiences are engaged in shaping local TPlTYajelEU-01891-00426650-00427120 and state policies and problems TPlTYajelEU-01892-00427121-00427366 knowing the current representation of TPlTYajelEU-01893-00427367-00427516 women people of color young people TPlTYajelEU-01894-00427517-00427805 serving in elective office at every TPlTYajelEU-01895-00427806-00427997 level of government enables us to more TPlTYajelEU-01896-00427997-00428231 know more about whose voices and TPlTYajelEU-01897-00428232-00428483 experience we might be missing TPlTYajelEU-01898-00428484-00428759 it helps organizations who work with TPlTYajelEU-01899-00428760-00428897 marginalized communities better TPlTYajelEU-01900-00428897-00429113 understand the work that must be done to TPlTYajelEU-01901-00429114-00429509 achieve equality of representation and TPlTYajelEU-01902-00429510-00429737 after data about representation and the TPlTYajelEU-01903-00429738-00429959 length of terms uh can inform and TPlTYajelEU-01904-00429960-00430259 potentially encourage more people to run TPlTYajelEU-01905-00430260-00430535 for office there's no TPlTYajelEU-01906-00430535-00430901 single publicly available repository of TPlTYajelEU-01907-00430902-00431309 data on the name age gender race or term TPlTYajelEU-01908-00431310-00431593 exploration of locally TPlTYajelEU-01909-00431593-00431927 elected officials in Vermont and this TPlTYajelEU-01910-00431928-00432131 demographic data is also not collected TPlTYajelEU-01911-00432132-00432509 for legislative or Statewide officials TPlTYajelEU-01912-00432510-00432725 the bill that I introduced seeks to TPlTYajelEU-01913-00432726-00433001 remedy that situation by collecting this TPlTYajelEU-01914-00433002-00433301 data from local candidates and requiring TPlTYajelEU-01915-00433302-00433570 Municipal clerks to pass it on to the TPlTYajelEU-01916-00433571-00433745 Secretary of State's office when filing TPlTYajelEU-01917-00433746-00434063 local and Statewide election results TPlTYajelEU-01918-00434064-00434477 the for the victors and collecting this TPlTYajelEU-01919-00434478-00434705 data from legislative and Statewide TPlTYajelEU-01920-00434706-00434891 candidates when they file for candidacy TPlTYajelEU-01921-00434892-00435299 with a Secretary of State's office so TPlTYajelEU-01922-00435300-00435551 only information on individuals elected TPlTYajelEU-01923-00435552-00435833 not all candidates would be forwarded to TPlTYajelEU-01924-00435834-00436139 the Secretary of State which reduces its TPlTYajelEU-01925-00436139-00436331 burden on the Secretary of State and the TPlTYajelEU-01926-00436332-00436493 Secretary of State's office would make TPlTYajelEU-01927-00436493-00436679 the data available to the public on its TPlTYajelEU-01928-00436680-00436810 website TPlTYajelEU-01929-00436812-00437053 so the bill that I offer for your TPlTYajelEU-01930-00437054-00437309 consideration is really TPlTYajelEU-01931-00437310-00437591 um largely embedded into in your current TPlTYajelEU-01932-00437592-00437927 Community bill um the only such changes TPlTYajelEU-01933-00437928-00438172 between the bills are TPlTYajelEU-01934-00438173-00438491 um the following there's four things my TPlTYajelEU-01935-00438492-00438757 own inclusion of school board members um TPlTYajelEU-01936-00438758-00439247 I think that conversations with ledge TPlTYajelEU-01937-00439247-00439433 Council and others have convinced me TPlTYajelEU-01938-00439434-00439703 that that is hard enough to crack TPlTYajelEU-01939-00439704-00439925 because there isn't a direct pipeline of TPlTYajelEU-01940-00439926-00440087 that information to the Secretary of TPlTYajelEU-01941-00440088-00440377 State's office the use of the word TPlTYajelEU-01942-00440378-00440657 municipality instead of town and County TPlTYajelEU-01943-00440658-00440909 I don't care what is what you will know TPlTYajelEU-01944-00440910-00441059 this could be you know what is the TPlTYajelEU-01945-00441060-00441335 better term to use uh including the end TPlTYajelEU-01946-00441335-00441522 date of a particular offices term TPlTYajelEU-01947-00441523-00441893 because there are you know in many city TPlTYajelEU-01948-00441893-00442199 councils um staggered terms so it's TPlTYajelEU-01949-00442200-00442391 helpful for people to know when is this TPlTYajelEU-01950-00442392-00442499 person's term TPlTYajelEU-01951-00442500-00442859 um ending and so when might they be up TPlTYajelEU-01952-00442860-00443014 for re-election and then TPlTYajelEU-01953-00443015-00443368 your bills very explicit acknowledgment TPlTYajelEU-01954-00443369-00443657 that candidates are not required to fill TPlTYajelEU-01955-00443658-00443897 out their own demographic information TPlTYajelEU-01956-00443897-00444172 they will not be penalized for it TPlTYajelEU-01957-00444173-00444479 um the information I mean the the TPlTYajelEU-01958-00444480-00444737 nothing TPlTYajelEU-01959-00444738-00444893 um TPlTYajelEU-01960-00444893-00445114 whatever they fill out will be accepted TPlTYajelEU-01961-00445115-00445318 by the Secretary of State by the the TPlTYajelEU-01962-00445319-00445487 local official and the Secretary of TPlTYajelEU-01963-00445488-00445685 State as long as the signatures um TPlTYajelEU-01964-00445685-00445883 required have been collected TPlTYajelEU-01965-00445884-00446116 so TPlTYajelEU-01966-00446117-00446470 so I and I I support completely the TPlTYajelEU-01967-00446471-00446718 acknowledgment that um TPlTYajelEU-01968-00446719-00446993 acknowledging in the terms that you have TPlTYajelEU-01969-00446993-00447209 in your committee bill this TPlTYajelEU-01970-00447210-00447287 um TPlTYajelEU-01971-00447288-00447683 uh TPlTYajelEU-01972-00447684-00447953 I've lost my words today I'm sorry there TPlTYajelEU-01973-00447954-00448235 have been too many I've never too much TPlTYajelEU-01974-00448235-00448691 testimony today TPlTYajelEU-01975-00448692-00448925 um but I think it's really important to TPlTYajelEU-01976-00448926-00449129 leave this as a voluntary thing TPlTYajelEU-01977-00449130-00449381 um I because I think that some people TPlTYajelEU-01978-00449382-00449579 will choose to fill it out some people TPlTYajelEU-01979-00449580-00449710 will not TPlTYajelEU-01980-00449712-00449801 um TPlTYajelEU-01981-00449802-00450005 um and nobody should be penalized for TPlTYajelEU-01982-00450006-00450370 not filling it out but it will if the TPlTYajelEU-01983-00450371-00450868 provision in your bill which adopts TPlTYajelEU-01984-00450869-00451205 Provisions in my bill were passed and we TPlTYajelEU-01985-00451206-00451464 would have a single authoritative TPlTYajelEU-01986-00451465-00451697 repository of information by which we TPlTYajelEU-01987-00451697-00451931 could then measure progress in terms of TPlTYajelEU-01988-00451932-00452131 the diversity TPlTYajelEU-01989-00452132-00452368 of uh TPlTYajelEU-01990-00452369-00452729 that the diverse representation TPlTYajelEU-01991-00452730-00453118 um of our TPlTYajelEU-01992-00453119-00453497 cities and states I apologize you know TPlTYajelEU-01993-00453497-00454145 what I'm trying to say okay TPlTYajelEU-01994-00454146-00454529 thank you representative uh and uh I TPlTYajelEU-01995-00454530-00454714 want to appreciate and acknowledge that TPlTYajelEU-01996-00454715-00455087 you are are on our hallowed and TPlTYajelEU-01997-00455088-00455272 hard-working Appropriations Committee so TPlTYajelEU-01998-00455273-00455620 I really appreciate your time especially TPlTYajelEU-01999-00455621-00455791 um questions TPlTYajelEU-02000-00455792-00456010 I think you did a great job of laying TPlTYajelEU-02001-00456012-00456172 out TPlTYajelEU-02002-00456173-00456593 why I was happy to include this idea and TPlTYajelEU-02003-00456593-00456827 I guess my question is TPlTYajelEU-02004-00456828-00457025 um TPlTYajelEU-02005-00457026-00457225 do you feel like TPlTYajelEU-02006-00457226-00457516 we have captured the spirit of what you TPlTYajelEU-02007-00457517-00457703 were hoping to do at 226 in the TPlTYajelEU-02008-00457704-00458051 miscellaneous Bill I know that we and I TPlTYajelEU-02009-00458052-00458237 was talking to legislative Council TPlTYajelEU-02010-00458238-00458333 um TPlTYajelEU-02011-00458334-00458675 and the elections division there are TPlTYajelEU-02012-00458676-00458999 some concerns about the logistical you TPlTYajelEU-02013-00459000-00459131 mentioned around school board members TPlTYajelEU-02014-00459132-00459233 yeah TPlTYajelEU-02015-00459234-00459401 um so that's you're sort of willing to TPlTYajelEU-02016-00459402-00459551 sacrifice that until we have to figure TPlTYajelEU-02017-00459552-00459743 out an easier way to gather that TPlTYajelEU-02018-00459743-00459941 information I appreciate uh I appreciate TPlTYajelEU-02019-00459942-00460193 that yeah no I I TPlTYajelEU-02020-00460193-00460349 um I have no problems with the bill TPlTYajelEU-02021-00460350-00460589 submitted I just I think it would be TPlTYajelEU-02022-00460589-00460727 very helpful to include the end date of TPlTYajelEU-02023-00460728-00460931 a particular offices term TPlTYajelEU-02024-00460932-00461416 um in in that database TPlTYajelEU-02025-00461417-00461729 but that's everything else I think is TPlTYajelEU-02026-00461730-00461843 great TPlTYajelEU-02027-00461843-00462113 and I'd be I'd be grateful if TPlTYajelEU-02028-00462114-00462175 um TPlTYajelEU-02029-00462176-00462425 you could help satisfy this lifelong TPlTYajelEU-02030-00462426-00462695 quest of mine for there to be a place TPlTYajelEU-02031-00462696-00463114 where one could go for this kind of data TPlTYajelEU-02032-00463115-00463547 any questions for representative TPlTYajelEU-02033-00463547-00463709 no TPlTYajelEU-02034-00463710-00464033 alrighty thank you so much well sorry TPlTYajelEU-02035-00464034-00464245 that I tripped over my words TPlTYajelEU-02036-00464246-00464639 anyway very very nice to see you all and TPlTYajelEU-02037-00464639-00464849 thanks very much for the work you're TPlTYajelEU-02038-00464850-00465349 doing TPlTYajelEU-02039-00465350-00465622 thank you TPlTYajelEU-02040-00465623-00465925 foreign TPlTYajelEU-02041-00465926-00467414 [Music] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00000-00000200-00000659 [Music] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00001-00000660-00002007 [Music] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00002-00002007-00002283 so TPuOMRJ03Wy-00003-00002284-00003175 [Music] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00004-00003176-00003465 so TPuOMRJ03Wy-00005-00003467-00003908 [Music] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00006-00003909-00003957 [Applause] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00008-00014184-00015030 you TPuOMRJ03Wy-00009-00015031-00017596 [Music] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00010-00017597-00017932 [Applause] TPuOMRJ03Wy-00012-00025384-00025564 you TPuOMRJ03Wy-00013-00025565-00027644 [Music] TR_X52MNRVc-00002-00008321-00011256 [Music] TRDBk1Jq368-00000-00000119-00000311 this video helps describe TRDBk1Jq368-00001-00000312-00000671 the conditional expectation function TRDBk1Jq368-00002-00000672-00000975 or cef TRDBk1Jq368-00003-00000976-00001319 so here's a simple TRDBk1Jq368-00004-00001320-00001667 example of conditional TRDBk1Jq368-00005-00001668-00002071 distributions x will be represented by TRDBk1Jq368-00006-00002072-00002455 this coin where heads equals one TRDBk1Jq368-00007-00002456-00002807 and tails equals zero TRDBk1Jq368-00008-00002808-00003183 now when x equals zero TRDBk1Jq368-00009-00003184-00003535 the conditional distribution of y TRDBk1Jq368-00010-00003536-00003927 is there are these six possible values TRDBk1Jq368-00011-00003928-00004247 each with equal probability TRDBk1Jq368-00012-00004248-00004575 one-sixth probability TRDBk1Jq368-00013-00004576-00004927 if instead TRDBk1Jq368-00014-00004928-00005383 x equals 1 then these are the six TRDBk1Jq368-00015-00005384-00005718 possible values of y again with equal TRDBk1Jq368-00016-00005719-00005854 probability TRDBk1Jq368-00017-00005855-00006134 so in other words we can roll the die TRDBk1Jq368-00018-00006135-00006247 and then just count TRDBk1Jq368-00019-00006248-00006527 one two three four five six whatever it TRDBk1Jq368-00020-00006528-00006695 is to pick out TRDBk1Jq368-00021-00006695-00006998 the value TRDBk1Jq368-00022-00007000-00007223 in this particular case we also know x TRDBk1Jq368-00023-00007223-00007359 has approximately TRDBk1Jq368-00024-00007359-00007598 one half probability of being equal to TRDBk1Jq368-00025-00007600-00007695 one TRDBk1Jq368-00026-00007695-00007998 but that is actually not at all relevant TRDBk1Jq368-00027-00008000-00008591 for the conditional expectation function TRDBk1Jq368-00028-00008592-00008814 so the cef TRDBk1Jq368-00029-00008815-00009255 is a function TRDBk1Jq368-00030-00009256-00009574 that maps a value of x TRDBk1Jq368-00031-00009575-00009903 such as 0 or TRDBk1Jq368-00032-00009904-00010255 one into a single TRDBk1Jq368-00033-00010256-00010671 value in the units of y TRDBk1Jq368-00034-00010672-00010959 specifically if we think about again x TRDBk1Jq368-00035-00010960-00011119 equals zero TRDBk1Jq368-00036-00011120-00011510 the value of the cef evaluated TRDBk1Jq368-00037-00011511-00011910 at 0 is the mean TRDBk1Jq368-00038-00011911-00012214 of the conditional distribution of TRDBk1Jq368-00039-00012215-00012583 y so in this case TRDBk1Jq368-00040-00012584-00012799 since i made the numbers very nice the TRDBk1Jq368-00041-00012800-00012886 mean is TRDBk1Jq368-00042-00012887-00013215 seven and a half so the TRDBk1Jq368-00043-00013216-00013558 cef that function evaluated at zero TRDBk1Jq368-00044-00013559-00013879 is seven and a half similarly TRDBk1Jq368-00045-00013880-00014279 if we evaluate the cef at one TRDBk1Jq368-00046-00014280-00014486 the mean over here again very nice TRDBk1Jq368-00047-00014487-00014583 numbers TRDBk1Jq368-00048-00014584-00014991 is four and a half so we have TRDBk1Jq368-00049-00014991-00015230 a function just like any other function TRDBk1Jq368-00050-00015231-00015319 you studied TRDBk1Jq368-00051-00015319-00015663 in high school where that function TRDBk1Jq368-00052-00015663-00015903 evaluated at zero is seven and a half TRDBk1Jq368-00053-00015904-00016158 and the function evaluated at one TRDBk1Jq368-00054-00016159-00016439 is four and a half so there's nothing TRDBk1Jq368-00055-00016440-00016575 random TRDBk1Jq368-00056-00016576-00017007 about the cef it's a way to summarize TRDBk1Jq368-00057-00017008-00017327 the conditional distributions with just TRDBk1Jq368-00058-00017328-00017407 a single TRDBk1Jq368-00059-00017408-00017783 non-random number in the same way that TRDBk1Jq368-00060-00017784-00017814 the TRDBk1Jq368-00061-00017815-00018214 unconditional mean of the distribution TRDBk1Jq368-00062-00018215-00018343 of y TRDBk1Jq368-00063-00018344-00018647 is a single non-random number here we're TRDBk1Jq368-00064-00018648-00018855 just getting a separate TRDBk1Jq368-00065-00018856-00019158 mean for each different value of TRDBk1Jq368-00066-00019159-00019511 x TRDBk1Jq368-00067-00019512-00019894 now we can also write TRDBk1Jq368-00068-00019895-00020230 something that is random if we write TRDBk1Jq368-00069-00020231-00020575 the expected value of y given capital TRDBk1Jq368-00070-00020576-00020911 x where again capital x indicates TRDBk1Jq368-00071-00020912-00021286 a random variable in that case TRDBk1Jq368-00072-00021287-00021630 we're not evaluating the cef at a single TRDBk1Jq368-00073-00021631-00022047 non-random value we're evaluating it at TRDBk1Jq368-00074-00022048-00022439 a random value according to the TRDBk1Jq368-00075-00022440-00022927 random variable x so in this case TRDBk1Jq368-00076-00022928-00023207 where we just have a coin flip for x for TRDBk1Jq368-00077-00023208-00023358 zero or one TRDBk1Jq368-00078-00023359-00023727 there would be a one half probability TRDBk1Jq368-00079-00023728-00023839 that x is zero TRDBk1Jq368-00080-00023840-00024303 one half probability that x is one TRDBk1Jq368-00081-00024304-00024678 which would mean the expected value of y TRDBk1Jq368-00082-00024679-00024991 given capital x has TRDBk1Jq368-00083-00024992-00025319 a one-half probability of value TRDBk1Jq368-00084-00025320-00025550 seven and a half and a one half TRDBk1Jq368-00085-00025551-00025646 probability TRDBk1Jq368-00086-00025647-00026407 of value four and a half TSwrPMNQpDk-00000-00000039-00000271 hello and welcome to this presentation TSwrPMNQpDk-00001-00000272-00000478 describing the stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00002-00000479-00000854 mp1 platform boot booting a linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00003-00000855-00001070 platform is very similar to launching a TSwrPMNQpDk-00004-00001071-00001158 rocket TSwrPMNQpDk-00005-00001159-00001407 since this is a multiple stage process TSwrPMNQpDk-00006-00001408-00001639 where only the last one is useful at the TSwrPMNQpDk-00007-00001639-00001751 end TSwrPMNQpDk-00008-00001752-00001942 the boot chain shown on the screen is TSwrPMNQpDk-00009-00001943-00002175 really standard in the sense that steps TSwrPMNQpDk-00010-00002176-00002263 are similar on TSwrPMNQpDk-00011-00002264-00002575 other mpus available on the market the TSwrPMNQpDk-00012-00002576-00002734 first stage is the rom TSwrPMNQpDk-00013-00002735-00003023 code this is not a software component TSwrPMNQpDk-00014-00003024-00003191 from a user perspective TSwrPMNQpDk-00015-00003192-00003395 since this binary is embedded in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00016-00003396-00003511 microprocessor TSwrPMNQpDk-00017-00003511-00003838 and cannot be modified the rom code TSwrPMNQpDk-00018-00003839-00004095 initializes a minimal clock tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00019-00004096-00004263 in order to get all the peripherals TSwrPMNQpDk-00020-00004264-00004399 involved in the boot detection TSwrPMNQpDk-00021-00004400-00004751 alive once this is done the first stage TSwrPMNQpDk-00022-00004752-00004959 bootloader or fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00023-00004960-00005159 is loaded from the boot device to the TSwrPMNQpDk-00024-00005160-00005279 embedded ram TSwrPMNQpDk-00025-00005280-00005647 then executed the fsbl is the first TSwrPMNQpDk-00026-00005648-00005918 real software component executed just TSwrPMNQpDk-00027-00005919-00006006 after the rom TSwrPMNQpDk-00028-00006007-00006238 code it completes the clock tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00029-00006239-00006351 initialization TSwrPMNQpDk-00030-00006352-00006518 in order to get access to more TSwrPMNQpDk-00031-00006519-00006710 peripherals with among them TSwrPMNQpDk-00032-00006711-00006919 the external ram where it loads the TSwrPMNQpDk-00033-00006920-00007087 second stage bootloader TSwrPMNQpDk-00034-00007088-00007423 or ssbl before execution TSwrPMNQpDk-00035-00007423-00007742 the most famous ssbl used all around the TSwrPMNQpDk-00036-00007743-00007798 world TSwrPMNQpDk-00037-00007800-00008110 is uboot its mission is to load the TSwrPMNQpDk-00038-00008111-00008351 linux kernel into the external ram from TSwrPMNQpDk-00039-00008352-00008510 a given boot device TSwrPMNQpDk-00040-00008511-00008759 among the ones supported by the rom code TSwrPMNQpDk-00041-00008760-00008967 or even other ones like the ethernet TSwrPMNQpDk-00042-00008968-00009327 for instance the ssbl has quite a large TSwrPMNQpDk-00043-00009328-00009439 feature set TSwrPMNQpDk-00044-00009440-00009678 and it is also often used to display an TSwrPMNQpDk-00045-00009679-00009895 image during the startup process TSwrPMNQpDk-00046-00009896-00010159 that is called the splash screen the TSwrPMNQpDk-00047-00010160-00010342 boot file system or boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00048-00010343-00010638 fs contains most of the binaries needed TSwrPMNQpDk-00049-00010639-00010671 by TSwrPMNQpDk-00050-00010672-00011006 u-boot the splash screen image the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00051-00011007-00011063 kernel TSwrPMNQpDk-00052-00011064-00011287 and the device tree blob that contains TSwrPMNQpDk-00053-00011288-00011406 all initialization TSwrPMNQpDk-00054-00011407-00011742 data given to the linux kernel the last TSwrPMNQpDk-00055-00011743-00012014 action from uboot is a jump to the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00056-00012015-00012151 kernel entry point TSwrPMNQpDk-00057-00012152-00012438 and linux is then alive the kernel TSwrPMNQpDk-00058-00012439-00012663 starts by initializing all its device TSwrPMNQpDk-00059-00012664-00012751 drivers TSwrPMNQpDk-00060-00012752-00012983 then it mounts the root file system or TSwrPMNQpDk-00061-00012984-00013111 root fs TSwrPMNQpDk-00062-00013112-00013311 that contains all the user space TSwrPMNQpDk-00063-00013312-00013566 applications and libraries TSwrPMNQpDk-00064-00013568-00013799 the user space switch is realized when TSwrPMNQpDk-00065-00013800-00013999 the linux kernel creates the init TSwrPMNQpDk-00066-00014000-00014094 process TSwrPMNQpDk-00067-00014095-00014271 that launches the services and TSwrPMNQpDk-00068-00014272-00014622 applications stored in the root fs TSwrPMNQpDk-00069-00014623-00014871 this figure shows the typical sizes of TSwrPMNQpDk-00070-00014872-00015079 the successive memories embedding the TSwrPMNQpDk-00071-00015080-00015247 boot chain components TSwrPMNQpDk-00072-00015247-00015447 from a few hundred kilobytes for the TSwrPMNQpDk-00073-00015447-00015566 internal memories TSwrPMNQpDk-00074-00015568-00015791 up to several hundred megabytes for the TSwrPMNQpDk-00075-00015791-00015999 external memories TSwrPMNQpDk-00076-00016000-00016407 beyond linux startup the stm32mp1 boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00077-00016408-00016607 chain is also responsible for the TSwrPMNQpDk-00078-00016608-00016830 startup of two other major components of TSwrPMNQpDk-00079-00016831-00016975 the processor TSwrPMNQpDk-00080-00016976-00017230 the secure monitor supported by the arm TSwrPMNQpDk-00081-00017231-00017294 cortex TSwrPMNQpDk-00082-00017295-00017622 a7 secure context also called TSwrPMNQpDk-00083-00017623-00017935 trust zone this secure monitor can be TSwrPMNQpDk-00084-00017936-00018150 used for user authentication TSwrPMNQpDk-00085-00018151-00018463 key storage or tampering management and TSwrPMNQpDk-00086-00018464-00018647 the co-processor firmware TSwrPMNQpDk-00087-00018648-00018967 running on the arm cortex m4 core TSwrPMNQpDk-00088-00018968-00019143 this one can be used to offload TSwrPMNQpDk-00089-00019144-00019447 real-time or low power services TSwrPMNQpDk-00090-00019448-00019655 the dotted lines in the diagram mean TSwrPMNQpDk-00091-00019656-00019894 that the secure monitor can be started TSwrPMNQpDk-00092-00019895-00020103 by the first stage bootloader or the TSwrPMNQpDk-00093-00020104-00020303 second stage bootloader TSwrPMNQpDk-00094-00020304-00020535 the co-processor can be started by the TSwrPMNQpDk-00095-00020536-00020703 second stage bootloader TSwrPMNQpDk-00096-00020704-00021094 we call it early boot or linux kernel TSwrPMNQpDk-00097-00021095-00021343 this diagram introduces with colored TSwrPMNQpDk-00098-00021344-00021478 vertical frames TSwrPMNQpDk-00099-00021479-00021775 the three hardware execution contexts TSwrPMNQpDk-00100-00021776-00021991 supported on the stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00101-00021992-00022319 mp1 platform the arm cortex TSwrPMNQpDk-00102-00022320-00022719 a secure context in pink the arm cortex TSwrPMNQpDk-00103-00022720-00023063 a non-secure context in dark blue TSwrPMNQpDk-00104-00023064-00023358 and the arm cortex m context in light TSwrPMNQpDk-00105-00023359-00023478 blue TSwrPMNQpDk-00106-00023479-00023727 gray horizontal frames show the boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00107-00023728-00023886 chain on the bottom part TSwrPMNQpDk-00108-00023887-00024207 and runtime services above then TSwrPMNQpDk-00109-00024208-00024455 several boot stages introduced on the TSwrPMNQpDk-00110-00024456-00024575 previous slides TSwrPMNQpDk-00111-00024576-00024742 are mapped on those vertical and TSwrPMNQpDk-00112-00024743-00024903 horizontal frames TSwrPMNQpDk-00113-00024904-00025207 the rom code the first stage bootloader TSwrPMNQpDk-00114-00025208-00025463 the second stage bootloader the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00115-00025464-00025511 kernel TSwrPMNQpDk-00116-00025512-00025846 and user space on top of that the secure TSwrPMNQpDk-00117-00025847-00025990 monitor is on the left TSwrPMNQpDk-00118-00025991-00026190 and the coprocessor firmware on the TSwrPMNQpDk-00119-00026191-00026327 right TSwrPMNQpDk-00120-00026327-00026646 st microelectronics proposes two flavors TSwrPMNQpDk-00121-00026647-00026807 for the fsbl and TSwrPMNQpDk-00122-00026808-00027231 ssbl on stm32mp1 TSwrPMNQpDk-00123-00027232-00027567 one puts the ssbl on the secure side TSwrPMNQpDk-00124-00027568-00027758 whereas the second one runs it in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00125-00027760-00027927 non-secure side TSwrPMNQpDk-00126-00027927-00028118 this is the meaning of the arrow in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00127-00028119-00028262 ssbl box TSwrPMNQpDk-00128-00028263-00028455 and those two options are further TSwrPMNQpDk-00129-00028456-00028751 described in the following slides TSwrPMNQpDk-00130-00028752-00028967 the trusted boot chain is the default TSwrPMNQpDk-00131-00028968-00029111 solution delivered by TSwrPMNQpDk-00132-00029112-00029367 st microelectronics with a complete TSwrPMNQpDk-00133-00029368-00029511 feature set TSwrPMNQpDk-00134-00029512-00029774 it uses the arm trusted firmware for TSwrPMNQpDk-00135-00029775-00029846 cortex TSwrPMNQpDk-00136-00029847-00030167 a also known as tfa as TSwrPMNQpDk-00137-00030168-00030518 fsbl because this bootloader is TSwrPMNQpDk-00138-00030519-00030751 delivered under the bsd license TSwrPMNQpDk-00139-00030752-00030999 that is sometimes preferred by customers TSwrPMNQpDk-00140-00031000-00031190 who want to hide some details or TSwrPMNQpDk-00141-00031191-00031446 implementation in the boot chain TSwrPMNQpDk-00142-00031447-00031695 it was developed by arm with the target TSwrPMNQpDk-00143-00031695-00031814 to be trusted TSwrPMNQpDk-00144-00031816-00031983 so that it should fulfill all TSwrPMNQpDk-00145-00031983-00032174 requirements for customers who are TSwrPMNQpDk-00146-00032175-00032470 sensible to security problematics TSwrPMNQpDk-00147-00032472-00032702 and it is future proof since it is TSwrPMNQpDk-00148-00032703-00032855 widely used on arm TSwrPMNQpDk-00149-00032856-00033167 v8 architecture platforms TSwrPMNQpDk-00150-00033168-00033462 then the trusted boot chain uses u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00151-00033463-00033511 as TSwrPMNQpDk-00152-00033512-00033823 ssbl that is covered by a gpl TSwrPMNQpDk-00153-00033824-00034190 v2 license note that the authentication TSwrPMNQpDk-00154-00034191-00034446 is optional with this boot chain so it TSwrPMNQpDk-00155-00034447-00034902 can run on any stm32mp1 security variant TSwrPMNQpDk-00156-00034903-00035151 having or not having the secure boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00157-00035152-00035279 option TSwrPMNQpDk-00158-00035280-00035639 opti secure os is optional and can only TSwrPMNQpDk-00159-00035640-00035743 be used to run TSwrPMNQpDk-00160-00035744-00036102 trusted applications on the stm32mp1 TSwrPMNQpDk-00161-00036103-00036271 platforms TSwrPMNQpDk-00162-00036272-00036574 otherwise tfa's secure monitor TSwrPMNQpDk-00163-00036575-00036902 so-called sp min is used to implement TSwrPMNQpDk-00164-00036903-00037062 the minimum set of secure TSwrPMNQpDk-00165-00037063-00037255 services expected to support the TSwrPMNQpDk-00166-00037256-00037407 platform TSwrPMNQpDk-00167-00037408-00037679 the basic boot chain is also proposed to TSwrPMNQpDk-00168-00037680-00037767 generate both TSwrPMNQpDk-00169-00037768-00038190 fsbl and ssbl from a unique source code TSwrPMNQpDk-00170-00038191-00038511 u-boot u-boot secondary program loader TSwrPMNQpDk-00171-00038512-00038639 or spl TSwrPMNQpDk-00172-00038640-00038862 can indeed be used as first stage TSwrPMNQpDk-00173-00038863-00038999 bootloader TSwrPMNQpDk-00174-00039000-00039255 st microelectronics uploads the basic TSwrPMNQpDk-00175-00039256-00039423 boot chain with a limited number of TSwrPMNQpDk-00176-00039424-00039646 features to enable the uboot community TSwrPMNQpDk-00177-00039647-00039839 to extend it TSwrPMNQpDk-00178-00039840-00040199 the stm32mp1 boot mode is defined by the TSwrPMNQpDk-00179-00040200-00040446 combination of several inputs TSwrPMNQpDk-00180-00040447-00040783 three boot pins accessible on st boards TSwrPMNQpDk-00181-00040784-00040983 their possible values are shown in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00182-00040984-00041199 first column of the table TSwrPMNQpDk-00183-00041200-00041455 the next column corresponds to the temp TSwrPMNQpDk-00184-00041456-00041662 backup register number 20 TSwrPMNQpDk-00185-00041663-00041895 that allows the user to force a serial TSwrPMNQpDk-00186-00041896-00042207 boot when it is set to 0xff from TSwrPMNQpDk-00187-00042208-00042502 u-boot or linux and the one-time TSwrPMNQpDk-00188-00042503-00042774 programmable word 3 contains a primary TSwrPMNQpDk-00189-00042775-00043039 boot source and a secondary boot source TSwrPMNQpDk-00190-00043040-00043230 shown in the third and fourth columns TSwrPMNQpDk-00191-00043231-00043374 respectively TSwrPMNQpDk-00192-00043375-00043607 the possible values for the boot sources TSwrPMNQpDk-00193-00043608-00043862 are listed in the tables on the right TSwrPMNQpDk-00194-00043863-00044279 parallel nand flash quad spi nor flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00195-00044280-00044583 emmc sd card or TSwrPMNQpDk-00196-00044584-00044967 quad spi nand flash the boot pins have TSwrPMNQpDk-00197-00044968-00045007 two TSwrPMNQpDk-00198-00045008-00045318 special positions all pins at zero TSwrPMNQpDk-00199-00045319-00045646 forces a boot in serial mode binary TSwrPMNQpDk-00200-00045647-00046030 value 100 allows entry in no boot mode TSwrPMNQpDk-00201-00046031-00046174 useful to take the hand on the TSwrPMNQpDk-00202-00046175-00046415 coprocessor via jtag for TSwrPMNQpDk-00203-00046416-00046727 firmware development without linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00204-00046728-00046935 let's consider the example highlighted TSwrPMNQpDk-00205-00046936-00047071 in green TSwrPMNQpDk-00206-00047072-00047311 to configure your board to always boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00207-00047312-00047455 on the sd card TSwrPMNQpDk-00208-00047456-00047679 that is the primary source number four TSwrPMNQpDk-00209-00047680-00047839 in the table on the right TSwrPMNQpDk-00210-00047840-00048086 then write 4 as the primary boot source TSwrPMNQpDk-00211-00048087-00048207 code in otp TSwrPMNQpDk-00212-00048208-00048551 word 3. if the rom code does not succeed TSwrPMNQpDk-00213-00048552-00048686 to boot on the sd TSwrPMNQpDk-00214-00048687-00048974 card then it falls back to a serial boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00215-00048975-00049230 as the secondary boot source is virgin TSwrPMNQpDk-00216-00049231-00049599 in otp the tables in this slide are TSwrPMNQpDk-00217-00049600-00049727 copied from the st TSwrPMNQpDk-00218-00049728-00049935 wiki article given in the bottom of this TSwrPMNQpDk-00219-00049936-00050215 slide so you can easily find them later TSwrPMNQpDk-00220-00050216-00050383 on TSwrPMNQpDk-00221-00050384-00050646 this slide explains how a serial boot is TSwrPMNQpDk-00222-00050647-00050862 managed in order to program the board TSwrPMNQpDk-00223-00050863-00050974 embedded flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00224-00050975-00051238 on the right with binaries available on TSwrPMNQpDk-00225-00051239-00051342 a host computer TSwrPMNQpDk-00226-00051344-00051766 on the left the stm32 cube programmer TSwrPMNQpDk-00227-00051767-00051963 is a tool delivered by st TSwrPMNQpDk-00228-00051964-00052087 microelectronics TSwrPMNQpDk-00229-00052088-00052319 to program flash memories running on the TSwrPMNQpDk-00230-00052320-00052494 host computer TSwrPMNQpDk-00231-00052495-00052719 the flash memory programming process TSwrPMNQpDk-00232-00052720-00052894 requires the connection of the board to TSwrPMNQpDk-00233-00052895-00053023 the host computer TSwrPMNQpDk-00234-00053024-00053335 via a uart or usb link TSwrPMNQpDk-00235-00053336-00053566 then the user has to select a boot pin TSwrPMNQpDk-00236-00053567-00053807 combination corresponding to a serial TSwrPMNQpDk-00237-00053808-00053871 boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00238-00053872-00054199 and reset the board from here the boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00239-00054200-00054415 chain is executed as explained TSwrPMNQpDk-00240-00054416-00054559 previously TSwrPMNQpDk-00241-00054560-00054919 1. the rom code starts and detects the TSwrPMNQpDk-00242-00054920-00055111 selected boot mode is serial TSwrPMNQpDk-00243-00055112-00055487 whether uart or usb it downloads the TSwrPMNQpDk-00244-00055488-00055775 fsbl via the available serial link from TSwrPMNQpDk-00245-00055776-00056007 the host computer to the embedded ram TSwrPMNQpDk-00246-00056008-00056447 and runs it 2. the fsbl does the same to TSwrPMNQpDk-00247-00056448-00056750 get the ssbl from the host computer TSwrPMNQpDk-00248-00056751-00057150 and copies it to the ddr for execution TSwrPMNQpDk-00249-00057151-00057550 3. the ssbl asks for the flash layout to TSwrPMNQpDk-00250-00057551-00057599 the host TSwrPMNQpDk-00251-00057600-00057894 computer the flash layout contains a TSwrPMNQpDk-00252-00057895-00058030 textual description TSwrPMNQpDk-00253-00058032-00058271 of the expected flash memory mapping TSwrPMNQpDk-00254-00058272-00058342 partition TSwrPMNQpDk-00255-00058344-00058647 per partition 4. TSwrPMNQpDk-00256-00058648-00058959 the boot chain remains in a loop in ssbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00257-00058960-00059159 until the end of the flash programming TSwrPMNQpDk-00258-00059160-00059407 process following the instructions from TSwrPMNQpDk-00259-00059408-00059654 the flash layout TSwrPMNQpDk-00260-00059655-00059863 when this sequence is finished the user TSwrPMNQpDk-00261-00059864-00060079 can change the boot pins to select the TSwrPMNQpDk-00262-00060079-00060359 freshly programmed flash as boot device TSwrPMNQpDk-00263-00060360-00060671 and reset its board to boot on it TSwrPMNQpDk-00264-00060672-00060815 now let's see the boot chain TSwrPMNQpDk-00265-00060816-00060982 configuration TSwrPMNQpDk-00266-00060983-00061199 any piece of software needs to get the TSwrPMNQpDk-00267-00061200-00061406 hardware description of the platform on TSwrPMNQpDk-00268-00061407-00061575 which it is executed to run TSwrPMNQpDk-00269-00061576-00061942 properly this includes the kind of cpu TSwrPMNQpDk-00270-00061944-00062223 the memory size the pin configuration TSwrPMNQpDk-00271-00062224-00062366 etc TSwrPMNQpDk-00272-00062367-00062566 the linux kernel used to embed this TSwrPMNQpDk-00273-00062567-00062671 hardware description TSwrPMNQpDk-00274-00062672-00062935 directly inside its binary the TSwrPMNQpDk-00275-00062936-00063111 consequence of this historic TSwrPMNQpDk-00276-00063112-00063319 implementation was that hardware TSwrPMNQpDk-00277-00063320-00063519 variance management often relied on TSwrPMNQpDk-00278-00063520-00063671 compilation switches TSwrPMNQpDk-00279-00063672-00063854 that required the kernel to be compiled TSwrPMNQpDk-00280-00063855-00064054 for each new board TSwrPMNQpDk-00281-00064055-00064271 later the device tree concept was TSwrPMNQpDk-00282-00064272-00064359 developed TSwrPMNQpDk-00283-00064360-00064582 the idea was to describe the hardware TSwrPMNQpDk-00284-00064583-00064679 configuration TSwrPMNQpDk-00285-00064679-00064919 in a device tree source file that is TSwrPMNQpDk-00286-00064920-00065247 compiled to get a device tree blob TSwrPMNQpDk-00287-00065248-00065511 this blob is given as a parameter to the TSwrPMNQpDk-00288-00065512-00065719 linux kernel that can remain the same TSwrPMNQpDk-00289-00065720-00065919 for multiple platforms TSwrPMNQpDk-00290-00065920-00066167 for instance all microprocessors TSwrPMNQpDk-00291-00066168-00066231 implementing TSwrPMNQpDk-00292-00066232-00066543 arm v7 architecture are supported with a TSwrPMNQpDk-00293-00066544-00066767 unique linux kernel configuration that TSwrPMNQpDk-00294-00066768-00066847 is called TSwrPMNQpDk-00295-00066848-00067167 multi v7 config TSwrPMNQpDk-00296-00067168-00067399 uboot adopted the same device tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00297-00067400-00067487 concept TSwrPMNQpDk-00298-00067488-00067831 and arm follows the same trend in tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00299-00067832-00068119 so st microelectronics widely uses the TSwrPMNQpDk-00300-00068120-00068311 device tree for all platform TSwrPMNQpDk-00301-00068312-00068479 configuration data TSwrPMNQpDk-00302-00068480-00068815 including ddr configuration TSwrPMNQpDk-00303-00068816-00069055 linux developers are manually editing TSwrPMNQpDk-00304-00069056-00069206 the device tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00305-00069207-00069471 on the other hand st microelectronics TSwrPMNQpDk-00306-00069472-00069782 customers are widely using the stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00307-00069783-00070119 cube mx tool to configure the stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00308-00070120-00070559 cube firmware for stm32 microcontrollers TSwrPMNQpDk-00309-00070560-00070767 so it has been decided to extend the TSwrPMNQpDk-00310-00070768-00071006 tool with a ddr tuning function TSwrPMNQpDk-00311-00071007-00071191 and make it able to generate the device TSwrPMNQpDk-00312-00071192-00071559 tree for stm32mp1 microprocessors TSwrPMNQpDk-00313-00071560-00071847 to configure the internal peripherals TSwrPMNQpDk-00314-00071848-00072094 this should ease the move from the mcu TSwrPMNQpDk-00315-00072095-00072343 world to the mpu-1 for people who are TSwrPMNQpDk-00316-00072344-00072623 discovering the linux environment TSwrPMNQpDk-00317-00072624-00072879 ubud compilation leads to the generation TSwrPMNQpDk-00318-00072880-00073038 of two binaries TSwrPMNQpDk-00319-00073039-00073399 u dash boot dash spl.bin TSwrPMNQpDk-00320-00073400-00073679 that stands for u-boot secondary program TSwrPMNQpDk-00321-00073680-00073767 loader TSwrPMNQpDk-00322-00073768-00074055 this one is used as fsbl in the basic TSwrPMNQpDk-00323-00074056-00074182 boot chain TSwrPMNQpDk-00324-00074183-00074526 and u-boot.bin that is used as TSwrPMNQpDk-00325-00074527-00074831 ssbl in both boot chains and will be TSwrPMNQpDk-00326-00074832-00075079 executed twice at boot time TSwrPMNQpDk-00327-00075080-00075326 a first partial execution occurs from TSwrPMNQpDk-00328-00075327-00075519 the ddr base address TSwrPMNQpDk-00329-00075520-00075806 where it has been copied by the fsbl in TSwrPMNQpDk-00330-00075807-00076006 order to relocate itself to the end of TSwrPMNQpDk-00331-00076007-00076150 the ddr TSwrPMNQpDk-00332-00076151-00076359 this execution context is called TSwrPMNQpDk-00333-00076360-00076582 pre-relock TSwrPMNQpDk-00334-00076583-00076838 and the second and full execution starts TSwrPMNQpDk-00335-00076839-00077126 from the relocation address TSwrPMNQpDk-00336-00077127-00077367 u-boot generated binary has a device TSwrPMNQpDk-00337-00077368-00077647 tree blob appended at the end TSwrPMNQpDk-00338-00077648-00077903 this means that each binary embeds the TSwrPMNQpDk-00339-00077904-00078031 executable code TSwrPMNQpDk-00340-00078032-00078255 and the device tree configuration data TSwrPMNQpDk-00341-00078256-00078606 that is explored by the executable the TSwrPMNQpDk-00342-00078607-00078799 u-boot device tree embeds TSwrPMNQpDk-00343-00078800-00079199 two special properties u-boot dm-spl TSwrPMNQpDk-00344-00079200-00079431 that stands for u-boot driver model TSwrPMNQpDk-00345-00079432-00079638 secondary program loader TSwrPMNQpDk-00346-00079639-00079967 and u-boot dm pre-relock that stands for TSwrPMNQpDk-00347-00079968-00080287 u-boot driver model pre-relocation TSwrPMNQpDk-00348-00080288-00080575 let's see how they are used since the TSwrPMNQpDk-00349-00080576-00080831 u-boot spl is executed in the internal TSwrPMNQpDk-00350-00080832-00081038 ram that has a limited size TSwrPMNQpDk-00351-00081039-00081223 the device tree blob needs to be TSwrPMNQpDk-00352-00081224-00081447 filtered in order to remove nodes that TSwrPMNQpDk-00353-00081448-00081799 are useless in the fsbl context TSwrPMNQpDk-00354-00081800-00082094 this is done using the ftd grep u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00355-00082095-00082167 tool TSwrPMNQpDk-00356-00082168-00082406 that removes all nodes that do not have TSwrPMNQpDk-00357-00082407-00082475 u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00358-00082476-00082831 dm-spl or u-boot dm pre-relock TSwrPMNQpDk-00359-00082832-00083175 from the dtb file uboot.bin TSwrPMNQpDk-00360-00083176-00083350 does not have this memory size TSwrPMNQpDk-00361-00083351-00083582 constraint but it would be wasting time TSwrPMNQpDk-00362-00083583-00083823 to do too many initialization steps in TSwrPMNQpDk-00363-00083824-00084079 the pre-relock context TSwrPMNQpDk-00364-00084080-00084311 that is why u-boot is only taking into TSwrPMNQpDk-00365-00084312-00084479 account the u-boot dm TSwrPMNQpDk-00366-00084480-00084735 pre-relock tag nodes while running in TSwrPMNQpDk-00367-00084736-00084903 the pre-relock context TSwrPMNQpDk-00368-00084904-00085143 whereas all nodes are taken into account TSwrPMNQpDk-00369-00085144-00085438 after the pre-relocked phase TSwrPMNQpDk-00370-00085439-00085662 now let's see how the u-boot behavior TSwrPMNQpDk-00371-00085663-00085855 can be tuned to fit with everyone's TSwrPMNQpDk-00372-00085856-00085959 needs TSwrPMNQpDk-00373-00085960-00086167 at build time it is possible to TSwrPMNQpDk-00374-00086168-00086350 customize u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00375-00086351-00086575 defining a board configuration file with TSwrPMNQpDk-00376-00086576-00086735 dedicated memory mapping TSwrPMNQpDk-00377-00086736-00087079 boot command etc and using the menu TSwrPMNQpDk-00378-00087080-00087199 config command TSwrPMNQpDk-00379-00087200-00087423 to select the target and decide which TSwrPMNQpDk-00380-00087424-00087591 features to embed TSwrPMNQpDk-00381-00087592-00087982 like distro that will be explained now TSwrPMNQpDk-00382-00087983-00088223 at runtime u-boot behavior can be TSwrPMNQpDk-00383-00088224-00088367 changed thanks to TSwrPMNQpDk-00384-00088368-00088679 the device tree see the previous slides TSwrPMNQpDk-00385-00088680-00088918 and distro feature that allows the load TSwrPMNQpDk-00386-00088919-00089111 of several boot configurations TSwrPMNQpDk-00387-00089112-00089343 and shows a selection menu at boot time TSwrPMNQpDk-00388-00089344-00089511 in the serial console TSwrPMNQpDk-00389-00089512-00089711 where the user can select the one he TSwrPMNQpDk-00390-00089712-00089887 wants to use TSwrPMNQpDk-00391-00089888-00090126 for instance imagine a configuration to TSwrPMNQpDk-00392-00090127-00090367 boot the linux kernel present on the sd TSwrPMNQpDk-00393-00090368-00090447 card TSwrPMNQpDk-00394-00090448-00090631 and another one allowing the load of the TSwrPMNQpDk-00395-00090632-00090823 linux kernel from the network TSwrPMNQpDk-00396-00090824-00091055 directly from the developer host company TSwrPMNQpDk-00397-00091056-00091279 where it was compiled TSwrPMNQpDk-00398-00091280-00091455 this slide shows which group of TSwrPMNQpDk-00399-00091456-00091671 peripherals are initialized all along TSwrPMNQpDk-00400-00091672-00091903 the boot chain execution TSwrPMNQpDk-00401-00091904-00092175 it contains a great deal of information TSwrPMNQpDk-00402-00092176-00092367 so let's first start explaining the TSwrPMNQpDk-00403-00092368-00092615 legend on the top left corner TSwrPMNQpDk-00404-00092616-00092838 the gray color is used for hardware TSwrPMNQpDk-00405-00092839-00092926 blocks TSwrPMNQpDk-00406-00092927-00093174 pink color is used to highlight cortex TSwrPMNQpDk-00407-00093175-00093247 a7 TSwrPMNQpDk-00408-00093248-00093606 secure context dark blue color is used TSwrPMNQpDk-00409-00093607-00093882 to highlight cortex a7 non-secure TSwrPMNQpDk-00410-00093883-00094143 context and dash lines are used to TSwrPMNQpDk-00411-00094144-00094206 identify TSwrPMNQpDk-00412-00094207-00094487 customizations on the device tree and TSwrPMNQpDk-00413-00094488-00094718 especially with regard to the u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00414-00094719-00095055 u-boot dm spl and u-boot dm TSwrPMNQpDk-00415-00095056-00095391 pre-relock properties let's read this TSwrPMNQpDk-00416-00095392-00095567 slide starting from the bottom TSwrPMNQpDk-00417-00095568-00095767 and progressively moving to the top TSwrPMNQpDk-00418-00095768-00095887 frames TSwrPMNQpDk-00419-00095888-00096079 the bottom axis shows the different TSwrPMNQpDk-00420-00096080-00096287 execution contexts that are crossed TSwrPMNQpDk-00421-00096288-00096526 during the boot chain execution TSwrPMNQpDk-00422-00096527-00096774 starting from the reset there are the TSwrPMNQpDk-00423-00096775-00096911 rom context TSwrPMNQpDk-00424-00096912-00097294 the fsbl the ssbl pre-relock TSwrPMNQpDk-00425-00097295-00097606 and the ssbl after relocation that TSwrPMNQpDk-00426-00097607-00097831 finally leads to the runtime context TSwrPMNQpDk-00427-00097832-00098038 where linux is running TSwrPMNQpDk-00428-00098039-00098271 just above is the mapping of the trusted TSwrPMNQpDk-00429-00098272-00098518 and basic boot chains components on top TSwrPMNQpDk-00430-00098519-00098671 of those contexts TSwrPMNQpDk-00431-00098672-00098982 with the coverage of the u-boot dm spl TSwrPMNQpDk-00432-00098983-00099111 and u-boot dm TSwrPMNQpDk-00433-00099112-00099511 pre-relock properties since tfa does not TSwrPMNQpDk-00434-00099512-00099782 have anything equivalent to u-boot ftd TSwrPMNQpDk-00435-00099783-00099894 grep tool TSwrPMNQpDk-00436-00099895-00100135 the only way to optimize its device tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00437-00100136-00100423 size is to remove useless nodes directly TSwrPMNQpDk-00438-00100424-00100655 in the dts files TSwrPMNQpDk-00439-00100656-00100855 the upper part of this slide shows the TSwrPMNQpDk-00440-00100856-00100999 peripherals initialization TSwrPMNQpDk-00441-00101000-00101326 order beyond the rom code context TSwrPMNQpDk-00442-00101327-00101574 the firewalling consists in defining TSwrPMNQpDk-00443-00101575-00101774 which peripheral can be used by which TSwrPMNQpDk-00444-00101775-00101871 context TSwrPMNQpDk-00445-00101872-00102262 so it is set up very early by the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00446-00102263-00102542 the fsbl supports the same set of boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00447-00102543-00102734 devices as the rom code TSwrPMNQpDk-00448-00102735-00103039 whereas the ssbl extends this list with TSwrPMNQpDk-00449-00103040-00103318 usb host and ethernet TSwrPMNQpDk-00450-00103319-00103566 the ddr controller initialization is TSwrPMNQpDk-00451-00103567-00103902 applied by the fsbl and remains visible TSwrPMNQpDk-00452-00103903-00104102 in the pre-relock context TSwrPMNQpDk-00453-00104103-00104382 since it contains the ddr size used to TSwrPMNQpDk-00454-00104383-00104639 perform the relocation TSwrPMNQpDk-00455-00104640-00104823 the clock tree is one of the primary TSwrPMNQpDk-00456-00104824-00105151 configurations applied by the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00457-00105152-00105390 it may eventually be modified at runtime TSwrPMNQpDk-00458-00105391-00105543 later on TSwrPMNQpDk-00459-00105544-00105807 the system time for the cortex a7 TSwrPMNQpDk-00460-00105808-00105919 generic timer TSwrPMNQpDk-00461-00105920-00106199 is provided by st gen that is TSwrPMNQpDk-00462-00106200-00106478 initialized in the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00463-00106479-00106686 the power supplies are provided by the TSwrPMNQpDk-00464-00106688-00106878 external pmic TSwrPMNQpDk-00465-00106879-00107183 that is controlled by i2c4 on st TSwrPMNQpDk-00466-00107183-00107471 boards so both are first initialized in TSwrPMNQpDk-00467-00107472-00107590 the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00468-00107591-00107807 and updated all along the application TSwrPMNQpDk-00469-00107808-00108023 needs at runtime TSwrPMNQpDk-00470-00108024-00108334 the uart4 is used as a serial console TSwrPMNQpDk-00471-00108335-00108631 from all contexts on st boards TSwrPMNQpDk-00472-00108632-00108919 the gpios are progressively initialized TSwrPMNQpDk-00473-00108920-00109054 by each context TSwrPMNQpDk-00474-00109055-00109366 step by step all the other peripherals TSwrPMNQpDk-00475-00109367-00109631 are initialized by u-boot or linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00476-00109632-00109966 when needed the boot process is an TSwrPMNQpDk-00477-00109967-00110158 incremental approach with new TSwrPMNQpDk-00478-00110159-00110351 peripherals being added to the list of TSwrPMNQpDk-00479-00110352-00110607 the previously initialized ones TSwrPMNQpDk-00480-00110608-00110751 but the development flow for the TSwrPMNQpDk-00481-00110752-00111007 corresponding device tree files is done TSwrPMNQpDk-00482-00111008-00111302 in the opposite order linux device tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00483-00111303-00111534 source files are created TSwrPMNQpDk-00484-00111535-00111775 linux files are copied to u-boot then TSwrPMNQpDk-00485-00111776-00111895 completed with TSwrPMNQpDk-00486-00111896-00112207 u-boot add-ons including u-boot dm TSwrPMNQpDk-00487-00112208-00112519 spl and u-boot dm pre-relock TSwrPMNQpDk-00488-00112520-00112878 and ddr settings linux files are partly TSwrPMNQpDk-00489-00112879-00113023 copied to tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00490-00113024-00113302 then completed with security parameters TSwrPMNQpDk-00491-00113303-00113390 and ddr TSwrPMNQpDk-00492-00113391-00113695 settings let's zoom into the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00493-00113696-00113919 device tree that is split in several TSwrPMNQpDk-00494-00113920-00114039 files TSwrPMNQpDk-00495-00114040-00114402 the soc file corresponds to stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00496-00114403-00114734 mp15 peripherals definition most of them TSwrPMNQpDk-00497-00114735-00114975 being disabled in this file TSwrPMNQpDk-00498-00114976-00115331 pin ctrl defines the gpio banks per TSwrPMNQpDk-00499-00115332-00115639 stm32 mp15 packages TSwrPMNQpDk-00500-00115640-00115871 and the pin configurations used for each TSwrPMNQpDk-00501-00115872-00116151 package while assembled on a board TSwrPMNQpDk-00502-00116152-00116454 board files are split in two levels a TSwrPMNQpDk-00503-00116455-00116678 board family factorizing everything that TSwrPMNQpDk-00504-00116679-00116895 is common to a board family TSwrPMNQpDk-00505-00116896-00117119 and a board variant that allows the TSwrPMNQpDk-00506-00117120-00117319 management of the differences across a TSwrPMNQpDk-00507-00117320-00117495 family TSwrPMNQpDk-00508-00117496-00117727 finally each board can be compiled with TSwrPMNQpDk-00509-00117728-00117966 the device tree compiler dtc TSwrPMNQpDk-00510-00117967-00118166 in order to get the device tree blob to TSwrPMNQpDk-00511-00118167-00118390 be given as parameter to the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00512-00118391-00118519 kernel TSwrPMNQpDk-00513-00118520-00118743 this diagram is covering the cases of TSwrPMNQpDk-00514-00118744-00118990 the evaluation board ev1 TSwrPMNQpDk-00515-00118991-00119302 and the discovery kit dk2 TSwrPMNQpDk-00516-00119303-00119486 those boards are variants of the TSwrPMNQpDk-00517-00119488-00119663 evaluation daughter board TSwrPMNQpDk-00518-00119664-00120214 ed1 and the discovery kit dk1 TSwrPMNQpDk-00519-00120215-00120543 st microelectronics maximizes the use of TSwrPMNQpDk-00520-00120544-00120823 open source software and the upload to TSwrPMNQpDk-00521-00120824-00120934 communities TSwrPMNQpDk-00522-00120935-00121134 so all those device tree files are TSwrPMNQpDk-00523-00121135-00121358 uploaded to the linux repository TSwrPMNQpDk-00524-00121359-00121551 and this is also true for the two TSwrPMNQpDk-00525-00121552-00121686 upcoming slides TSwrPMNQpDk-00526-00121688-00122023 for u-boot and tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00527-00122024-00122247 starting from a set of linux device tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00528-00122248-00122334 files TSwrPMNQpDk-00529-00122335-00122575 this diagram shows what files are added TSwrPMNQpDk-00530-00122576-00122671 in u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00531-00122672-00122934 mainly to do some overlay with u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00532-00122935-00123127 u-boot dm-spl TSwrPMNQpDk-00533-00123128-00123431 and u-boot dm pre-relock properties TSwrPMNQpDk-00534-00123432-00123631 but also for the ddr controller TSwrPMNQpDk-00535-00123632-00123799 initialization TSwrPMNQpDk-00536-00123800-00124107 on the right the build process generates TSwrPMNQpDk-00537-00124108-00124223 uboot.dtb TSwrPMNQpDk-00538-00124224-00124710 and ubudspl.dtb files for each board TSwrPMNQpDk-00539-00124711-00124919 starting from a partial set of linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00540-00124920-00125134 device tree files content TSwrPMNQpDk-00541-00125135-00125383 this diagram shows what files are added TSwrPMNQpDk-00542-00125383-00125527 in tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00543-00125528-00125831 reusing ddr settings from uboot TSwrPMNQpDk-00544-00125832-00126083 and adding security peripherals TSwrPMNQpDk-00545-00126083-00126231 configuration TSwrPMNQpDk-00546-00126232-00126475 as explained in previous slides the TSwrPMNQpDk-00547-00126476-00126590 stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00548-00126591-00126914 cube mx tool can be used to generate TSwrPMNQpDk-00549-00126915-00127223 stm32mp1 device tree files TSwrPMNQpDk-00550-00127224-00127431 let's now see this more in detail TSwrPMNQpDk-00551-00127432-00127599 starting with linux device TSwrPMNQpDk-00552-00127600-00127990 tree file generation notice that stm32 TSwrPMNQpDk-00553-00127991-00128254 cube mx only generates the board file TSwrPMNQpDk-00554-00128255-00128358 for linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00555-00128359-00128647 that includes the soc file on one side TSwrPMNQpDk-00556-00128648-00128719 and the pin TSwrPMNQpDk-00557-00128720-00129014 ctrl file corresponding to the selected TSwrPMNQpDk-00558-00129015-00129275 package on the other side TSwrPMNQpDk-00559-00129276-00129623 stm32 cube mx does a copy of the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00560-00129624-00129831 dts file for uboot TSwrPMNQpDk-00561-00129832-00130110 and completes it with two new files one TSwrPMNQpDk-00562-00130111-00130343 file for the ddr configuration TSwrPMNQpDk-00563-00130344-00130599 and one file for u-boot add-ons that TSwrPMNQpDk-00564-00130600-00130827 mainly consist of the use of u-boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00565-00130828-00130966 dms-pl TSwrPMNQpDk-00566-00130967-00131247 and u-boot dm pre-relock properties TSwrPMNQpDk-00567-00131248-00131423 whenever needed TSwrPMNQpDk-00568-00131424-00131623 this approach is very close to the TSwrPMNQpDk-00569-00131624-00131735 development process TSwrPMNQpDk-00570-00131736-00131927 used for the uploaded versions of the TSwrPMNQpDk-00571-00131928-00132166 device tree files TSwrPMNQpDk-00572-00132167-00132566 stm32 cube mx generates a board dts file TSwrPMNQpDk-00573-00132567-00132687 for tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00574-00132688-00132895 that is a lighter version of the linux TSwrPMNQpDk-00575-00132896-00133047 board dts file TSwrPMNQpDk-00576-00133048-00133399 in order to save space this file itself TSwrPMNQpDk-00577-00133400-00133663 includes the already lighter dtsi file TSwrPMNQpDk-00578-00133664-00133743 versions on TSwrPMNQpDk-00579-00133744-00134127 soc and pin ctrl sides that come with TSwrPMNQpDk-00580-00134128-00134278 tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00581-00134279-00134527 then the same ddr configuration file TSwrPMNQpDk-00582-00134528-00134599 generated for TSwrPMNQpDk-00583-00134600-00134959 u-boot is reused for tfa TSwrPMNQpDk-00584-00134960-00135190 to boot properly the right boot device TSwrPMNQpDk-00585-00135191-00135407 must be selected via the boot pins or TSwrPMNQpDk-00586-00135408-00135614 the otp boot source TSwrPMNQpDk-00587-00135615-00135831 the selected boot flash must then be TSwrPMNQpDk-00588-00135832-00136039 properly partitioned to allow the rom TSwrPMNQpDk-00589-00136040-00136214 code booting on it TSwrPMNQpDk-00590-00136215-00136439 this section shows how the rom code is TSwrPMNQpDk-00591-00136440-00136678 looking for the fsbl binary in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00592-00136679-00136831 selected flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00593-00136832-00137054 it also describes the complete flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00594-00137055-00137239 memory mapping that is implemented in TSwrPMNQpDk-00595-00137240-00137454 the st microelectronics open TSwrPMNQpDk-00596-00137455-00137823 st linux distribution let's read this TSwrPMNQpDk-00597-00137824-00137959 table from bottom to TSwrPMNQpDk-00598-00137960-00138190 top to be consistent with the order in TSwrPMNQpDk-00599-00138191-00138487 which the boot chain is considering them TSwrPMNQpDk-00600-00138488-00138814 the fsbl partition contains the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00601-00138815-00138895 binary TSwrPMNQpDk-00602-00138896-00139223 that is tfa or u-boot spl TSwrPMNQpDk-00603-00139224-00139511 depending on the selected boot chain as TSwrPMNQpDk-00604-00139512-00139751 seen earlier this binary also includes TSwrPMNQpDk-00605-00139752-00139839 the dtb TSwrPMNQpDk-00606-00139840-00140183 file used by the bootloader the ssbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00607-00140184-00140247 partition TSwrPMNQpDk-00608-00140248-00140614 contains the ssbl so you boot with its TSwrPMNQpDk-00609-00140615-00140678 dtb TSwrPMNQpDk-00610-00140679-00141047 file and boot fs is the boot file system TSwrPMNQpDk-00611-00141048-00141183 and it contains TSwrPMNQpDk-00612-00141184-00141454 the boot distro configuration file the TSwrPMNQpDk-00613-00141455-00141687 splash screen image except for the nor TSwrPMNQpDk-00614-00141688-00141775 flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00615-00141776-00142135 see next slide linux kernel u-boot image TSwrPMNQpDk-00616-00142136-00142414 linux kernel device tree and optionally TSwrPMNQpDk-00617-00142415-00142590 this partition can contain TSwrPMNQpDk-00618-00142591-00142878 an init ram fs that may be used by the TSwrPMNQpDk-00619-00142879-00143135 linux kernel on startup TSwrPMNQpDk-00620-00143136-00143351 note that the boot fs can combine TSwrPMNQpDk-00621-00143352-00143575 several versions of those binaries in a TSwrPMNQpDk-00622-00143576-00143671 single image TSwrPMNQpDk-00623-00143672-00143839 thanks to the flattened image tree TSwrPMNQpDk-00624-00143840-00144063 format that is out of scope of this TSwrPMNQpDk-00625-00144064-00144175 training TSwrPMNQpDk-00626-00144176-00144431 the vendor fs file system is used to TSwrPMNQpDk-00627-00144432-00144631 store third-party binaries TSwrPMNQpDk-00628-00144632-00144775 to ensure that they cannot be TSwrPMNQpDk-00629-00144776-00145047 contaminated by unwished licenses TSwrPMNQpDk-00630-00145048-00145414 such as gpl v3 that are used in the root TSwrPMNQpDk-00631-00145415-00145575 fs TSwrPMNQpDk-00632-00145576-00145854 the root fs file system contains all TSwrPMNQpDk-00633-00145855-00146023 user space binaries TSwrPMNQpDk-00634-00146024-00146311 so mainly kernel modules executables and TSwrPMNQpDk-00635-00146312-00146431 libraries TSwrPMNQpDk-00636-00146432-00146631 this is usually the biggest partition TSwrPMNQpDk-00637-00146632-00146847 that can be up to 800 megabytes TSwrPMNQpDk-00638-00146848-00147214 wide and the user fs file system TSwrPMNQpDk-00639-00147215-00147399 contains user data and TSwrPMNQpDk-00640-00147400-00147775 st microelectronics examples TSwrPMNQpDk-00641-00147776-00148135 some partitions are optional t-e-e-x TSwrPMNQpDk-00642-00148136-00148519 t-e-e-d and t-e-e-h contain the open TSwrPMNQpDk-00643-00148520-00148775 portable trusted execution environment TSwrPMNQpDk-00644-00148776-00149111 known as opti that is the secure os TSwrPMNQpDk-00645-00149112-00149535 supported on stm32mp1 platforms TSwrPMNQpDk-00646-00149536-00149751 logo contains the bootloader splash TSwrPMNQpDk-00647-00149752-00149895 screen image only on TSwrPMNQpDk-00648-00149896-00150223 nor flash this is because the boot fs TSwrPMNQpDk-00649-00150224-00150478 is stored in another device that can be TSwrPMNQpDk-00650-00150479-00150743 the sd card that is not yet initialized TSwrPMNQpDk-00651-00150744-00150926 when you boot tries to display the TSwrPMNQpDk-00652-00150927-00151166 splash screen TSwrPMNQpDk-00653-00151167-00151399 while booting with an sd card the rom TSwrPMNQpDk-00654-00151400-00151607 code looks for the guid TSwrPMNQpDk-00655-00151608-00151959 partition table or gpt at the beginning TSwrPMNQpDk-00656-00151960-00152039 of the device TSwrPMNQpDk-00657-00152040-00152231 in order to localize all the other TSwrPMNQpDk-00658-00152232-00152366 partitions TSwrPMNQpDk-00659-00152367-00152671 two fsbl copies are available in raw TSwrPMNQpDk-00660-00152672-00152766 partitions TSwrPMNQpDk-00661-00152767-00153007 to be able to perform a fail-safe update TSwrPMNQpDk-00662-00153008-00153135 of the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00663-00153136-00153439 binary fail-safe means that in case TSwrPMNQpDk-00664-00153440-00153635 there is a power failure during the TSwrPMNQpDk-00665-00153636-00153823 fsbl1 update TSwrPMNQpDk-00666-00153824-00154007 then there would still be a valid copy TSwrPMNQpDk-00667-00154008-00154231 in the fsbl2 partition TSwrPMNQpDk-00668-00154232-00154559 and vice versa the ssbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00669-00154560-00154814 and tee binaries are stored in raw TSwrPMNQpDk-00670-00154815-00154919 partitions TSwrPMNQpDk-00671-00154920-00155183 since the fsbl does not support a file TSwrPMNQpDk-00672-00155184-00155311 system TSwrPMNQpDk-00673-00155312-00155702 boot fs is stored as an ext4 partition TSwrPMNQpDk-00674-00155703-00156063 that is a file system supported by uboot TSwrPMNQpDk-00675-00156064-00156447 and root fs and user fs are ext4 file TSwrPMNQpDk-00676-00156448-00156511 systems TSwrPMNQpDk-00677-00156512-00156863 used by linux an emmc TSwrPMNQpDk-00678-00156864-00157087 looks like an sd card except some TSwrPMNQpDk-00679-00157088-00157399 additional special physical partitions TSwrPMNQpDk-00680-00157400-00157599 in the boot context the boot area TSwrPMNQpDk-00681-00157600-00157887 partition 1 and boot area partition 2 TSwrPMNQpDk-00682-00157888-00158199 are the key partitions so the strategy TSwrPMNQpDk-00683-00158200-00158351 consists of putting one TSwrPMNQpDk-00684-00158352-00158623 fsbl instance in the boot area partition TSwrPMNQpDk-00685-00158624-00158702 1 TSwrPMNQpDk-00686-00158703-00158854 and another one in the boot area TSwrPMNQpDk-00687-00158855-00159023 partition 2. TSwrPMNQpDk-00688-00159024-00159263 the rom code then directly tries to find TSwrPMNQpDk-00689-00159264-00159519 the fsbl binary in one of those boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00690-00159520-00159702 area partitions TSwrPMNQpDk-00691-00159703-00159943 then the user data area is partitioned TSwrPMNQpDk-00692-00159944-00160054 with a gpt TSwrPMNQpDk-00693-00160055-00160239 table that is used by all the TSwrPMNQpDk-00694-00160240-00160407 consecutive boot components TSwrPMNQpDk-00695-00160408-00160766 to find the several partitions for cost TSwrPMNQpDk-00696-00160767-00160831 reasons TSwrPMNQpDk-00697-00160832-00161063 nor flash memory sizes should not be TSwrPMNQpDk-00698-00161064-00161247 very big on products TSwrPMNQpDk-00699-00161248-00161526 let's say eight megabytes in most cases TSwrPMNQpDk-00700-00161527-00161663 which is enough to put the small TSwrPMNQpDk-00701-00161664-00161878 partitions but clearly not big enough to TSwrPMNQpDk-00702-00161879-00162078 put the wider file systems TSwrPMNQpDk-00703-00162079-00162326 that is why a second flash memory device TSwrPMNQpDk-00704-00162327-00162590 is needed to store those file systems TSwrPMNQpDk-00705-00162591-00162775 the figure shows the corresponding TSwrPMNQpDk-00706-00162776-00162966 mapping with an sd card TSwrPMNQpDk-00707-00162967-00163190 but this second flash memory could be in TSwrPMNQpDk-00708-00163191-00163423 nand flash for instance TSwrPMNQpDk-00709-00163424-00163719 in case of boot from nor flash the rom TSwrPMNQpDk-00710-00163720-00164007 code looks for fsbl instances at the TSwrPMNQpDk-00711-00164008-00164095 offsets TSwrPMNQpDk-00712-00164096-00164511 0 and 256 kilobytes TSwrPMNQpDk-00713-00164512-00164743 nand flash memory is the cheaper flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00714-00164744-00164902 technology that exists TSwrPMNQpDk-00715-00164903-00165102 but it is also the most complex to TSwrPMNQpDk-00716-00165103-00165223 manage TSwrPMNQpDk-00717-00165224-00165447 being cheaper implies that it is widely TSwrPMNQpDk-00718-00165448-00165535 used TSwrPMNQpDk-00719-00165536-00165735 and on the other hand it is important to TSwrPMNQpDk-00720-00165736-00165951 understand the physical organization of TSwrPMNQpDk-00721-00165952-00165983 an TSwrPMNQpDk-00722-00165984-00166278 and flash and the two main defects that TSwrPMNQpDk-00723-00166279-00166551 make it harder to play with TSwrPMNQpDk-00724-00166552-00166799 on the physical side and nand flash is TSwrPMNQpDk-00725-00166800-00166999 split in blocks that are themselves TSwrPMNQpDk-00726-00167000-00167166 split in pages TSwrPMNQpDk-00727-00167167-00167423 each page contains a user area where the TSwrPMNQpDk-00728-00167424-00167551 data is stored TSwrPMNQpDk-00729-00167552-00167902 and a spare area used to store metadata TSwrPMNQpDk-00730-00167903-00168214 the first kind of defect some blocks TSwrPMNQpDk-00731-00168215-00168526 may be bad over time some of them become TSwrPMNQpDk-00732-00168527-00168695 bad during the product life TSwrPMNQpDk-00733-00168696-00168966 due to wear but some of them are already TSwrPMNQpDk-00734-00168967-00169007 bad TSwrPMNQpDk-00735-00169008-00169271 out of production a special tag in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00736-00169272-00169351 spare area TSwrPMNQpDk-00737-00169352-00169695 is used to identify factory bad blocks TSwrPMNQpDk-00738-00169696-00169999 the second kind of defect due to a TSwrPMNQpDk-00739-00170000-00170183 physical phenomenon such as TSwrPMNQpDk-00740-00170184-00170414 electrical leakage or read disturb TSwrPMNQpDk-00741-00170415-00170495 effect TSwrPMNQpDk-00742-00170496-00170814 some bits may toggle in pages so TSwrPMNQpDk-00743-00170815-00170966 error detection and correction TSwrPMNQpDk-00744-00170967-00171151 mechanisms are needed in order to TSwrPMNQpDk-00745-00171152-00171311 overcome this issue TSwrPMNQpDk-00746-00171312-00171519 storing the error correction code in the TSwrPMNQpDk-00747-00171520-00171695 spare area TSwrPMNQpDk-00748-00171696-00171878 now let's consider the software to TSwrPMNQpDk-00749-00171879-00172126 manage the nand flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00750-00172127-00172351 any piece of software must be able to TSwrPMNQpDk-00751-00172352-00172631 detect and correct errors in the pages TSwrPMNQpDk-00752-00172632-00172983 this is mandatory a software not able to TSwrPMNQpDk-00753-00172984-00173223 manage a bad block replacement strategy TSwrPMNQpDk-00754-00173224-00173535 simply uses a skip bad block method that TSwrPMNQpDk-00755-00173536-00173735 consists of jumping to the next block TSwrPMNQpDk-00756-00173736-00174047 when a bad block is met TSwrPMNQpDk-00757-00174048-00174271 a first level of bad block management TSwrPMNQpDk-00758-00174272-00174454 comes with the mtd TSwrPMNQpDk-00759-00174455-00174735 meaning memory technology device that TSwrPMNQpDk-00760-00174736-00174935 allows the management of bad blocks TSwrPMNQpDk-00761-00174936-00175254 inside the mtd volumes mtd TSwrPMNQpDk-00762-00175255-00175438 does not allow the mitigation of the TSwrPMNQpDk-00763-00175439-00175590 wearing issues TSwrPMNQpDk-00764-00175591-00175871 this is why binaries contained in mtd TSwrPMNQpDk-00765-00175872-00176038 partitions need to be there TSwrPMNQpDk-00766-00176039-00176343 in several copies the ultimate level of TSwrPMNQpDk-00767-00176344-00176566 management for the nand flash is offered TSwrPMNQpDk-00768-00176567-00176759 by the unsorted block image TSwrPMNQpDk-00769-00176760-00176975 that exposes a perfect volume via TSwrPMNQpDk-00770-00176976-00177247 logical blocks to the upper layers TSwrPMNQpDk-00771-00177248-00177543 the ubi is then managing the translation TSwrPMNQpDk-00772-00177544-00177575 to TSwrPMNQpDk-00773-00177576-00177823 valid physical blocks and takes care TSwrPMNQpDk-00774-00177824-00177975 about the wear leveling TSwrPMNQpDk-00775-00177976-00178207 so there is no need to duplicate data TSwrPMNQpDk-00776-00178208-00178399 inside ubi volumes TSwrPMNQpDk-00777-00178400-00178647 and the ubi file system that are defined TSwrPMNQpDk-00778-00178648-00178790 inside TSwrPMNQpDk-00779-00178791-00179031 this being said the diagram above can TSwrPMNQpDk-00780-00179032-00179207 now be understood TSwrPMNQpDk-00781-00179208-00179447 the rom code uses the skip bad block TSwrPMNQpDk-00782-00179448-00179695 strategy to look for a valid fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00783-00179696-00179975 instance starting from the offset 0 in TSwrPMNQpDk-00784-00179976-00180151 the nand flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00785-00180152-00180511 ssbl and tee partitions are stored in TSwrPMNQpDk-00786-00180512-00180654 multiple copies TSwrPMNQpDk-00787-00180655-00180983 inside independent mtd volumes TSwrPMNQpDk-00788-00180984-00181343 boot fs root fs and user fs TSwrPMNQpDk-00789-00181344-00181695 are defined as ubi fs partitions inside TSwrPMNQpDk-00790-00181696-00181966 a common mtd volume TSwrPMNQpDk-00791-00181967-00182207 this slide is an overview of the image TSwrPMNQpDk-00792-00182208-00182271 signature TSwrPMNQpDk-00793-00182272-00182543 and authentication process as it is used TSwrPMNQpDk-00794-00182544-00182838 on stm32 mpus TSwrPMNQpDk-00795-00182839-00183087 as a prerequisite here are the minimal TSwrPMNQpDk-00796-00183088-00183199 acronyms to know TSwrPMNQpDk-00797-00183200-00183551 for a correct understanding a payload is TSwrPMNQpDk-00798-00183552-00183614 a binary TSwrPMNQpDk-00799-00183615-00183838 file on which a cryptographic operation TSwrPMNQpDk-00800-00183839-00183983 is done TSwrPMNQpDk-00801-00183984-00184343 ecd sa-256 stands for TSwrPMNQpDk-00802-00184344-00184551 elliptic curve digital signature TSwrPMNQpDk-00803-00184552-00184926 algorithm with 256-bit key pairs TSwrPMNQpDk-00804-00184927-00185143 it is an asymmetric cryptographic TSwrPMNQpDk-00805-00185144-00185366 algorithm able to encrypt the payload TSwrPMNQpDk-00806-00185367-00185551 via a 256-bit TSwrPMNQpDk-00807-00185552-00185823 private key then decrypt it via the TSwrPMNQpDk-00808-00185824-00186283 corresponding 512-bit public key TSwrPMNQpDk-00809-00186284-00186614 sha-256 means secure hash algorithm TSwrPMNQpDk-00810-00186615-00186943 generating a 256-bit hash from an input TSwrPMNQpDk-00811-00186944-00187071 payload TSwrPMNQpDk-00812-00187072-00187278 it is a common practice to store a TSwrPMNQpDk-00813-00187279-00187399 public key hash TSwrPMNQpDk-00814-00187400-00187559 in order to check the public key TSwrPMNQpDk-00815-00187560-00187902 integrity later on and a signature is TSwrPMNQpDk-00816-00187903-00188087 made of the cryptographic hash of a TSwrPMNQpDk-00817-00188088-00188311 payload containing the initial payload TSwrPMNQpDk-00818-00188312-00188590 to authenticate plus the public key TSwrPMNQpDk-00819-00188591-00188935 a signature is often called hmac TSwrPMNQpDk-00820-00188936-00189119 standing for hashed message TSwrPMNQpDk-00821-00189120-00189350 authentication code TSwrPMNQpDk-00822-00189351-00189575 refer to cryptographic documentation and TSwrPMNQpDk-00823-00189576-00189863 training for further information TSwrPMNQpDk-00824-00189864-00190111 this diagram explains the complete flow TSwrPMNQpDk-00825-00190112-00190287 that is put in place to perform TSwrPMNQpDk-00826-00190288-00190590 fsbl binary authentication with the rom TSwrPMNQpDk-00827-00190591-00190687 code TSwrPMNQpDk-00828-00190688-00190983 one first of all the key generator tool TSwrPMNQpDk-00829-00190984-00191102 is used on the host TSwrPMNQpDk-00830-00191103-00191471 side to generate an ecdsa key pair TSwrPMNQpDk-00831-00191472-00191726 so a private key and the corresponding TSwrPMNQpDk-00832-00191727-00191854 public key TSwrPMNQpDk-00833-00191855-00192095 the tool also generates a public key TSwrPMNQpDk-00834-00192096-00192175 hash TSwrPMNQpDk-00835-00192176-00192550 via an sha-256 operation TSwrPMNQpDk-00836-00192551-00192887 two stm32 cube programmer TSwrPMNQpDk-00837-00192888-00193183 includes an otp burning tool that can be TSwrPMNQpDk-00838-00193184-00193399 used to write the public key hash into TSwrPMNQpDk-00839-00193400-00193854 the stm32 mp1bsec non-volatile memory TSwrPMNQpDk-00840-00193855-00194095 three the signing tool is used on the TSwrPMNQpDk-00841-00194096-00194438 host side to compute the sha-256 hash of TSwrPMNQpDk-00842-00194439-00194550 the fsbl TSwrPMNQpDk-00843-00194551-00194838 payload plus the public key and the file TSwrPMNQpDk-00844-00194839-00194943 header TSwrPMNQpDk-00845-00194944-00195326 4. this hash is encrypted with the ecdsa TSwrPMNQpDk-00846-00195327-00195463 256 TSwrPMNQpDk-00847-00195464-00195702 using the private key to get the payload TSwrPMNQpDk-00848-00195703-00195799 signature TSwrPMNQpDk-00849-00195800-00195999 the signing tool finally generates a TSwrPMNQpDk-00850-00196000-00196111 signed file TSwrPMNQpDk-00851-00196112-00196366 containing the payload the public key TSwrPMNQpDk-00852-00196367-00196447 the header TSwrPMNQpDk-00853-00196448-00196735 and the signature this signed file is TSwrPMNQpDk-00854-00196736-00196850 the one used by TSwrPMNQpDk-00855-00196851-00197166 stm32 cube programmer to populate the TSwrPMNQpDk-00856-00197167-00197343 embedded flash TSwrPMNQpDk-00857-00197344-00197654 five when the stm32a TSwrPMNQpDk-00858-00197655-00197966 target is reset the rom code starts by TSwrPMNQpDk-00859-00197967-00198295 computing the sha-256 hash of the public TSwrPMNQpDk-00860-00198296-00198543 key available in the signed file TSwrPMNQpDk-00861-00198544-00198750 then it compares this hash with the one TSwrPMNQpDk-00862-00198751-00199054 stored in the stm32mp1 TSwrPMNQpDk-00863-00199055-00199366 non-volatile memory if it is different TSwrPMNQpDk-00864-00199367-00199607 the authentication process fails TSwrPMNQpDk-00865-00199608-00199695 otherwise TSwrPMNQpDk-00866-00199696-00200111 it continues six the rom code computes TSwrPMNQpDk-00867-00200112-00200478 the sha-256 of the fsbl payload TSwrPMNQpDk-00868-00200479-00200814 plus the public key and the file header TSwrPMNQpDk-00869-00200815-00201023 it compares this hash to the value TSwrPMNQpDk-00870-00201024-00201231 resulting from the decrypted signature TSwrPMNQpDk-00871-00201232-00201423 with the public key that has just been TSwrPMNQpDk-00872-00201424-00201559 authenticated TSwrPMNQpDk-00873-00201560-00201743 if the comparison fails then the TSwrPMNQpDk-00874-00201744-00201878 authentication process TSwrPMNQpDk-00875-00201879-00202166 fails otherwise the authentication is TSwrPMNQpDk-00876-00202167-00202271 successful TSwrPMNQpDk-00877-00202272-00202619 and the rom code goes on with the boot TSwrPMNQpDk-00878-00202620-00202920 process TT1WwQnu2QA-00000-00000096-00000335 has this happened to you TT1WwQnu2QA-00001-00000336-00000551 you slowly feel like negative emotions TT1WwQnu2QA-00002-00000552-00000686 are coming TT1WwQnu2QA-00003-00000687-00001039 and you surrender you throw yourself TT1WwQnu2QA-00004-00001040-00001470 a pity party like many times before TT1WwQnu2QA-00005-00001471-00001798 but if you stop for a second and TT1WwQnu2QA-00006-00001800-00002151 think you admit that you use your most TT1WwQnu2QA-00007-00002152-00002350 obvious challenge and it's your special TT1WwQnu2QA-00008-00002351-00002542 child to justify TT1WwQnu2QA-00009-00002543-00002831 your negative feelings but in fact your TT1WwQnu2QA-00010-00002832-00002934 frustration TT1WwQnu2QA-00011-00002935-00003254 comes from something else TT1WwQnu2QA-00012-00003255-00003479 for me the answer is yes i've caught TT1WwQnu2QA-00013-00003479-00003606 myself many times TT1WwQnu2QA-00014-00003607-00003967 of being unsatisfied unhappy TT1WwQnu2QA-00015-00003968-00004263 using joanna and her special needs for TT1WwQnu2QA-00016-00004264-00004422 my unhappiness but in TT1WwQnu2QA-00017-00004423-00004679 reality there are other life aspects TT1WwQnu2QA-00018-00004680-00004791 that TT1WwQnu2QA-00019-00004792-00005079 were not perfect let's say that did not TT1WwQnu2QA-00020-00005080-00005175 work TT1WwQnu2QA-00021-00005176-00005422 some work and effort in order for me to TT1WwQnu2QA-00022-00005423-00005711 feel more joyful and helpful TT1WwQnu2QA-00023-00005712-00006031 we carry wounds issues TT1WwQnu2QA-00024-00006032-00006327 and sense of unworthiness deep down in TT1WwQnu2QA-00025-00006328-00006454 ourselves TT1WwQnu2QA-00026-00006455-00006751 our frustration not necessarily always TT1WwQnu2QA-00027-00006752-00006919 come from the fact that we have a TT1WwQnu2QA-00028-00006920-00007063 special child TT1WwQnu2QA-00029-00007064-00007359 and what if our children came to us the TT1WwQnu2QA-00030-00007359-00007487 way they are TT1WwQnu2QA-00031-00007488-00007814 to help us heal emotionally TT1WwQnu2QA-00032-00007815-00008031 hi my name is maya and i'm your coach TT1WwQnu2QA-00033-00008031-00008207 for special parents TT1WwQnu2QA-00034-00008208-00008510 have you seen our story so far if not TT1WwQnu2QA-00035-00008511-00008687 i will put the links down below in the TT1WwQnu2QA-00036-00008688-00008910 description where in 13 chapters you TT1WwQnu2QA-00037-00008911-00008974 will find TT1WwQnu2QA-00038-00008975-00009214 all the details about us where our TT1WwQnu2QA-00039-00009215-00009327 journey began TT1WwQnu2QA-00040-00009328-00009535 how we moved to germany and all the TT1WwQnu2QA-00041-00009536-00009646 details about TT1WwQnu2QA-00042-00009647-00009967 our teacher joanna you will know why i TT1WwQnu2QA-00043-00009968-00010151 do what i do TT1WwQnu2QA-00044-00010152-00010327 i'm so happy that finally the weather TT1WwQnu2QA-00045-00010328-00010519 conditions aligned TT1WwQnu2QA-00046-00010520-00010823 and i can do a video outside i just love TT1WwQnu2QA-00047-00010824-00011014 this balcony this balcony TT1WwQnu2QA-00048-00011015-00011295 is gina all over the place we have many TT1WwQnu2QA-00049-00011296-00011431 pleasant memories here TT1WwQnu2QA-00050-00011432-00011719 and we've spent a lot of time together TT1WwQnu2QA-00051-00011720-00011935 here at this place whenever the TT1WwQnu2QA-00052-00011936-00012214 weather conditions will allow us now TT1WwQnu2QA-00053-00012215-00012310 let's see TT1WwQnu2QA-00054-00012311-00012535 different life aspects and possible TT1WwQnu2QA-00055-00012536-00012614 reasons TT1WwQnu2QA-00056-00012615-00012838 of for your frustration and negative TT1WwQnu2QA-00057-00012839-00012991 emotions TT1WwQnu2QA-00058-00012991-00013199 we will look at four different life TT1WwQnu2QA-00059-00013200-00013294 aspects and TT1WwQnu2QA-00060-00013295-00013551 uh you just answer yourself honestly TT1WwQnu2QA-00061-00013552-00013622 where do TT1WwQnu2QA-00062-00013623-00013951 you stand on each of them first TT1WwQnu2QA-00063-00013952-00014294 other people and others people opinion TT1WwQnu2QA-00064-00014295-00014551 the sadness for your special child is TT1WwQnu2QA-00065-00014552-00014711 not fake TT1WwQnu2QA-00066-00014712-00015063 but very often uh to that sadness TT1WwQnu2QA-00067-00015063-00015350 comes in addition the fear of what other TT1WwQnu2QA-00068-00015351-00015494 peoples will say TT1WwQnu2QA-00069-00015495-00015807 and think my question to you is TT1WwQnu2QA-00070-00015808-00016150 are you afraid from of judgment TT1WwQnu2QA-00071-00016151-00016391 are you afraid that people are going to TT1WwQnu2QA-00072-00016392-00016535 think that you're a failure TT1WwQnu2QA-00073-00016536-00016894 a loser a disaster uh incapable and so TT1WwQnu2QA-00074-00016895-00016975 on TT1WwQnu2QA-00075-00016976-00017175 just please to all of these questions TT1WwQnu2QA-00076-00017176-00017343 until the end of the video TT1WwQnu2QA-00077-00017344-00017567 uh ask for yourself but without TT1WwQnu2QA-00078-00017568-00017775 self-criticism and judgment because TT1WwQnu2QA-00079-00017776-00017894 that's not the point TT1WwQnu2QA-00080-00017895-00018175 the point is for you to get clarity to TT1WwQnu2QA-00081-00018176-00018207 see TT1WwQnu2QA-00082-00018208-00018399 where do you stand on different life TT1WwQnu2QA-00083-00018400-00018567 areas and then TT1WwQnu2QA-00084-00018568-00018903 to decide what do you want uh to choose TT1WwQnu2QA-00085-00018904-00019007 what do you want to TT1WwQnu2QA-00086-00019008-00019222 change or not now let's see TT1WwQnu2QA-00087-00019223-00019455 organizational productivity TT1WwQnu2QA-00088-00019456-00019830 yes special parents need a day from TT1WwQnu2QA-00089-00019831-00020175 35 hours if not longer in order to TT1WwQnu2QA-00090-00020176-00020407 finish everything that's on their plate TT1WwQnu2QA-00091-00020408-00020527 it's just too much TT1WwQnu2QA-00092-00020528-00020847 therapies different activities speech TT1WwQnu2QA-00093-00020848-00020991 therapies TT1WwQnu2QA-00094-00020992-00021199 doctor appointments and many other TT1WwQnu2QA-00095-00021200-00021367 activities that are TT1WwQnu2QA-00096-00021368-00021727 really time consuming still TT1WwQnu2QA-00097-00021728-00021943 if you look at the activities you're TT1WwQnu2QA-00098-00021944-00022150 doing during the day TT1WwQnu2QA-00099-00022151-00022486 would you say that there is a plan there TT1WwQnu2QA-00100-00022487-00022830 i strongly recommend making a plan TT1WwQnu2QA-00101-00022831-00023150 and a to-do list preferably the TT1WwQnu2QA-00102-00023151-00023503 night before organization and plan TT1WwQnu2QA-00103-00023504-00023775 make things easier it will reduce your TT1WwQnu2QA-00104-00023776-00023855 stress and TT1WwQnu2QA-00105-00023856-00024007 it will give you a great sense of TT1WwQnu2QA-00106-00024008-00024278 control the third one goes for partner TT1WwQnu2QA-00107-00024279-00024430 issues TT1WwQnu2QA-00108-00024431-00024727 no relationship is perfect but if you TT1WwQnu2QA-00109-00024728-00024830 constantly TT1WwQnu2QA-00110-00024831-00025111 uh are in a fight with your partner and TT1WwQnu2QA-00111-00025112-00025175 you go TT1WwQnu2QA-00112-00025176-00025439 through some crisis then chances are TT1WwQnu2QA-00113-00025440-00025646 that you are going to feel frustrated TT1WwQnu2QA-00114-00025647-00025967 and in stuck in negative emotions i know TT1WwQnu2QA-00115-00025968-00026070 that TT1WwQnu2QA-00116-00026072-00026279 our special children are the most TT1WwQnu2QA-00117-00026280-00026423 important TT1WwQnu2QA-00118-00026424-00026751 in our life and they deserve most of our TT1WwQnu2QA-00119-00026752-00027079 attention but so does our relationships TT1WwQnu2QA-00120-00027080-00027335 with with our partner that is something TT1WwQnu2QA-00121-00027336-00027518 that deserves TT1WwQnu2QA-00122-00027519-00027846 some effort and some willingness to TT1WwQnu2QA-00123-00027847-00028158 to to make it work to make it better TT1WwQnu2QA-00124-00028160-00028423 so i will put in the description as well TT1WwQnu2QA-00125-00028424-00028462 uh TT1WwQnu2QA-00126-00028463-00028711 the video i made few weeks ago you and TT1WwQnu2QA-00127-00028712-00028870 your partner special parents TT1WwQnu2QA-00128-00028872-00029007 you will find that link in the TT1WwQnu2QA-00129-00029008-00029270 description as well so you can see TT1WwQnu2QA-00130-00029272-00029535 eight principles that help me to have TT1WwQnu2QA-00131-00029536-00029799 better relationship with my partner TT1WwQnu2QA-00132-00029800-00030095 number four is your true calling maybe TT1WwQnu2QA-00133-00030095-00030207 your frustration TT1WwQnu2QA-00134-00030208-00030423 comes from the fact that you're stuck in TT1WwQnu2QA-00135-00030424-00030535 a workplace that you TT1WwQnu2QA-00136-00030536-00030767 hate that you working something that is TT1WwQnu2QA-00137-00030768-00030967 not fulfilling for you TT1WwQnu2QA-00138-00030968-00031279 maybe you have a talent for baking cakes TT1WwQnu2QA-00139-00031280-00031335 for TT1WwQnu2QA-00140-00031336-00031679 cooking uh play music singing TT1WwQnu2QA-00141-00031680-00031911 uh doing something creative but you TT1WwQnu2QA-00142-00031912-00032111 don't follow your passion TT1WwQnu2QA-00143-00032112-00032414 instead you are uh TT1WwQnu2QA-00144-00032416-00032718 in your comfort zone in some office in TT1WwQnu2QA-00145-00032719-00032862 the corporate world TT1WwQnu2QA-00146-00032863-00033183 and uh wondering what's the point TT1WwQnu2QA-00147-00033184-00033487 every day i mean you've studied then you TT1WwQnu2QA-00148-00033488-00033687 find a job in some office TT1WwQnu2QA-00149-00033688-00033902 where you put numbers in computer all TT1WwQnu2QA-00150-00033903-00034167 day after 30 40 years you'd TT1WwQnu2QA-00151-00034168-00034487 retired and it's the end if you TT1WwQnu2QA-00152-00034488-00034695 recognize that this is also a cause for TT1WwQnu2QA-00153-00034696-00034831 your frustration TT1WwQnu2QA-00154-00034832-00035118 then start to take some actions even a TT1WwQnu2QA-00155-00035119-00035246 small ones TT1WwQnu2QA-00156-00035247-00035535 little by little it is possible to make TT1WwQnu2QA-00157-00035536-00035671 a career switch TT1WwQnu2QA-00158-00035672-00035990 and to achieve your dreams TT1WwQnu2QA-00159-00035991-00036199 how can you do that well there are TT1WwQnu2QA-00160-00036200-00036383 really tons of books TT1WwQnu2QA-00161-00036384-00036615 videos and courses you can take that TT1WwQnu2QA-00162-00036616-00036735 will teach you TT1WwQnu2QA-00163-00036736-00037015 how can you achieve all this and feel TT1WwQnu2QA-00164-00037016-00037118 free to call me TT1WwQnu2QA-00165-00037119-00037374 and i will tell you the resources i've TT1WwQnu2QA-00166-00037375-00037446 used TT1WwQnu2QA-00167-00037447-00037759 so i when i made the career switch TT1WwQnu2QA-00168-00037760-00038015 my case and i'm happy to share those TT1WwQnu2QA-00169-00038016-00038143 resources with you TT1WwQnu2QA-00170-00038144-00038343 improving all the other areas of your TT1WwQnu2QA-00171-00038344-00038567 life is not going to move TT1WwQnu2QA-00172-00038568-00038879 your challenge with your child away but TT1WwQnu2QA-00173-00038880-00039062 it is going to give you TT1WwQnu2QA-00174-00039063-00039327 more life quality you have to get to the TT1WwQnu2QA-00175-00039328-00039374 bottom TT1WwQnu2QA-00176-00039375-00039630 of your negative emotions to know TT1WwQnu2QA-00177-00039631-00039743 exactly why TT1WwQnu2QA-00178-00039744-00040030 are you unhappy and frustrated and you TT1WwQnu2QA-00179-00040031-00040062 have TT1WwQnu2QA-00180-00040063-00040390 the power and the ability to change so TT1WwQnu2QA-00181-00040391-00040471 many things TT1WwQnu2QA-00182-00040472-00040774 in your life use that TT1WwQnu2QA-00183-00040775-00041143 i wish you a wonderful sunny day TT1WwQnu2QA-00184-00041144-00041575 and i'll see you very soon TV2FRN1MDrY-00000-00000126-00000425 foreign TV2FRN1MDrY-00002-00004782-00005227 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00003-00005228-00005488 when you finish the second one just TV2FRN1MDrY-00004-00005489-00005959 change your pace to the end TV2FRN1MDrY-00005-00005960-00006143 ing up TV2FRN1MDrY-00006-00006144-00006317 stop four round TV2FRN1MDrY-00007-00006318-00006796 that's right shoulder predator TV2FRN1MDrY-00008-00006797-00007373 what all right Fredericks lovely TV2FRN1MDrY-00009-00007373-00008131 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00010-00008131-00008363 wait wait TV2FRN1MDrY-00011-00008364-00008885 you're around the final game mate TV2FRN1MDrY-00012-00008886-00010999 o TV2FRN1MDrY-00013-00011000-00011746 thank you TV2FRN1MDrY-00014-00011747-00012485 this away on this pass Jay-Z come on TV2FRN1MDrY-00015-00012486-00014147 tonight TV2FRN1MDrY-00016-00014147-00014915 thank you TV2FRN1MDrY-00017-00014916-00016727 back away TV2FRN1MDrY-00018-00016728-00017142 [Applause] TV2FRN1MDrY-00019-00017143-00018361 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00020-00018362-00018703 oh my God TV2FRN1MDrY-00021-00018704-00021167 [Applause] TV2FRN1MDrY-00022-00021168-00021864 thank you TV2FRN1MDrY-00023-00021865-00022456 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00024-00022457-00023197 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00025-00023198-00023892 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00026-00023893-00024319 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00027-00024320-00024503 eight nine TV2FRN1MDrY-00028-00024504-00025133 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00029-00025134-00025279 answers TV2FRN1MDrY-00030-00025280-00027529 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00031-00027530-00028168 hold it TV2FRN1MDrY-00032-00028169-00028927 to the balls TV2FRN1MDrY-00033-00028927-00028952 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00034-00028954-00029245 [Applause] TV2FRN1MDrY-00035-00029247-00030211 [Music] TV2FRN1MDrY-00036-00030212-00030512 thank you TV9Tc3OzFi8-00000-00000126-00000449 and the moment you mention the notion of TV9Tc3OzFi8-00001-00000450-00000688 Human Rights it really depends firstly TV9Tc3OzFi8-00002-00000689-00000827 Who You Are TV9Tc3OzFi8-00003-00000827-00001399 where you stand your ideological Outlook TV9Tc3OzFi8-00004-00001400-00001726 the concept itself human rights tend to TV9Tc3OzFi8-00005-00001727-00001998 be much more uh TV9Tc3OzFi8-00006-00002000-00002399 popularize uh in the western world where TV9Tc3OzFi8-00007-00002400-00002795 it's so limited it's limited to issues TV9Tc3OzFi8-00008-00002796-00003184 of Elections TV9Tc3OzFi8-00009-00003185-00003454 um good governance but it's mainly TV9Tc3OzFi8-00010-00003455-00003593 pro-business TV9Tc3OzFi8-00011-00003594-00003786 opening up TV9Tc3OzFi8-00012-00003788-00004153 of society-free movement of people TV9Tc3OzFi8-00013-00004154-00004541 activities of big companies and that's TV9Tc3OzFi8-00014-00004542-00004877 the trend we've been having In Our TV9Tc3OzFi8-00015-00004878-00005122 Lifetime we tend to look at this TV9Tc3OzFi8-00016-00005123-00005506 minimalist way of Human Rights but what TV9Tc3OzFi8-00017-00005507-00005827 we wish to do in this session and thanks TV9Tc3OzFi8-00018-00005828-00006334 to higher education media as well as the TV9Tc3OzFi8-00019-00006335-00006556 ADF TV9Tc3OzFi8-00020-00006558-00006959 um African diaspora a forum who are TV9Tc3OzFi8-00021-00006959-00007301 heading this session we really want to TV9Tc3OzFi8-00022-00007302-00007637 go much more deeper that when we talk TV9Tc3OzFi8-00023-00007638-00007727 about TV9Tc3OzFi8-00024-00007728-00008106 human rights we're talking the rights TV9Tc3OzFi8-00025-00008108-00008495 that are enshrined in our constitutions TV9Tc3OzFi8-00026-00008496-00008860 the rights that are enshrined in the Au TV9Tc3OzFi8-00027-00008861-00009167 the rights that are in shine in the TV9Tc3OzFi8-00028-00009168-00009401 Universal Declaration of Human Rights as TV9Tc3OzFi8-00029-00009402-00009749 far back as 1948. TV9Tc3OzFi8-00030-00009750-00010151 we need to go much more deeper and ask TV9Tc3OzFi8-00031-00010152-00010583 that what we are talking about it goes TV9Tc3OzFi8-00032-00010584-00010769 beyond The Ballot Box because the moment TV9Tc3OzFi8-00033-00010770-00011051 you talk about human rights the very TV9Tc3OzFi8-00034-00011052-00011177 first thing TV9Tc3OzFi8-00035-00011178-00011441 our politicians who want to get into TV9Tc3OzFi8-00036-00011442-00011735 power and their right to get into state TV9Tc3OzFi8-00037-00011736-00012174 house and the freedom to govern TV9Tc3OzFi8-00038-00012175-00012556 we really want to talk in terms of those TV9Tc3OzFi8-00039-00012557-00012874 rights are important that we have the TV9Tc3OzFi8-00040-00012875-00013060 right to vote we have the right of TV9Tc3OzFi8-00041-00013061-00013319 movement but fundamentally we also have TV9Tc3OzFi8-00042-00013319-00013799 to have the right of the belly to have TV9Tc3OzFi8-00043-00013800-00013943 something to eat TV9Tc3OzFi8-00044-00013944-00014447 to move in a road that has Bridges TV9Tc3OzFi8-00045-00014447-00014694 no portholes TV9Tc3OzFi8-00046-00014695-00014957 right to education TV9Tc3OzFi8-00047-00014958-00015247 a right to 24 7 TV9Tc3OzFi8-00048-00015247-00015744 power it has become a huge crisis TV9Tc3OzFi8-00049-00015745-00016025 particularly in southern Africa where TV9Tc3OzFi8-00050-00016026-00016266 load shedding become a known TV9Tc3OzFi8-00051-00016268-00016577 we reach a point where people TV9Tc3OzFi8-00052-00016578-00016780 are shocked when they have 24 hours TV9Tc3OzFi8-00053-00016781-00017147 electricity it's becoming abnormal to TV9Tc3OzFi8-00054-00017148-00017477 have 24 hour electricity TV9Tc3OzFi8-00055-00017478-00017867 and we need to normalize that the right TV9Tc3OzFi8-00056-00017868-00018244 to education the right to eat the right TV9Tc3OzFi8-00057-00018245-00018683 to move right to employment the right of TV9Tc3OzFi8-00058-00018684-00018917 environment that you need to breathe TV9Tc3OzFi8-00059-00018918-00019236 fresh air that is not poison TV9Tc3OzFi8-00060-00019237-00019697 these rights are all important TV9Tc3OzFi8-00061-00019698-00019949 and this is a critical year for us as TV9Tc3OzFi8-00062-00019950-00020075 Africans TV9Tc3OzFi8-00063-00020076-00020380 our continent the AU TV9Tc3OzFi8-00064-00020381-00020986 will reach its 60th birthday this year TV9Tc3OzFi8-00065-00020987-00021508 from the 25th of May 1963 to the 25th of TV9Tc3OzFi8-00066-00021509-00021672 May TV9Tc3OzFi8-00067-00021673-00022061 2023. this is 60 years TV9Tc3OzFi8-00068-00022062-00022319 and we need to celebrate and there can TV9Tc3OzFi8-00069-00022320-00022643 never be a better way of celebrating the TV9Tc3OzFi8-00070-00022644-00023017 Au without asking fundamental question TV9Tc3OzFi8-00071-00023018-00023333 regardless of which unit these TV9Tc3OzFi8-00072-00023334-00023539 territories that we have TV9Tc3OzFi8-00073-00023540-00023897 out of 55 African countries we're 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tony welcome to sports bike shops TWRFSuTMAvo-00001-00000296-00000543 video about the revit stratos gore-tex TWRFSuTMAvo-00002-00000544-00001127 gloves TWRFSuTMAvo-00003-00001128-00001278 if you're after a pair of warmish TWRFSuTMAvo-00004-00001279-00001470 gore-tex gloves then these could be just TWRFSuTMAvo-00005-00001471-00001695 up your street the revit stratos gloves TWRFSuTMAvo-00006-00001696-00001887 are thermal and they're gore-lined and TWRFSuTMAvo-00007-00001888-00002063 they still offer really good feel and TWRFSuTMAvo-00008-00002064-00002279 they're definitely good value for money TWRFSuTMAvo-00009-00002280-00002463 revit have brought out a sequel to these TWRFSuTMAvo-00010-00002464-00002655 gloves now but they're still producing TWRFSuTMAvo-00011-00002656-00002847 these original stratos gloves for us TWRFSuTMAvo-00012-00002848-00002983 which means we can sell them for a TWRFSuTMAvo-00013-00002984-00003102 reduced price TWRFSuTMAvo-00014-00003103-00003327 these original stratus gloves are now 89 TWRFSuTMAvo-00015-00003328-00003583 pounds 99 which is 40 quid a pair less TWRFSuTMAvo-00016-00003584-00003847 than the new stratos ii so let's go into TWRFSuTMAvo-00017-00003847-00004111 what makes these gloves tick the outer TWRFSuTMAvo-00018-00004112-00004303 is made from a combination of goat hide TWRFSuTMAvo-00019-00004304-00004583 and 300 denier textile you get goat hide TWRFSuTMAvo-00020-00004584-00004743 across the palm and then it's also TWRFSuTMAvo-00021-00004744-00004943 across the bulk of the back of the hand TWRFSuTMAvo-00022-00004944-00005127 the back of the forefinger is textile TWRFSuTMAvo-00023-00005128-00005270 but the fingertip across there is TWRFSuTMAvo-00024-00005271-00005422 leather it's a continuation from the TWRFSuTMAvo-00025-00005423-00005638 palm the four sheets between each of the TWRFSuTMAvo-00026-00005639-00005815 fingers they're made from textile and TWRFSuTMAvo-00027-00005816-00005991 then there's a substantial chunk of TWRFSuTMAvo-00028-00005992-00006263 rivets sea soft armor on the knuckle the TWRFSuTMAvo-00029-00006264-00006486 gloves are rated within the ce standard TWRFSuTMAvo-00030-00006487-00006623 for having impact protection at the TWRFSuTMAvo-00031-00006623-00006870 knuckles and revits labeling suggests TWRFSuTMAvo-00032-00006872-00007087 this would meet level two of the ce TWRFSuTMAvo-00033-00007088-00007263 armor standard if it was tested like a TWRFSuTMAvo-00034-00007264-00007423 piece of limb armor and that doesn't TWRFSuTMAvo-00035-00007423-00007606 surprise me really as it's a really good TWRFSuTMAvo-00036-00007608-00007831 thick lump of armor there's a second TWRFSuTMAvo-00037-00007831-00008046 chunk of foam at the heel of the palm TWRFSuTMAvo-00038-00008047-00008191 but really that's more about comfort TWRFSuTMAvo-00039-00008192-00008342 while riding rather than providing TWRFSuTMAvo-00040-00008343-00008574 impact protection the inner section of TWRFSuTMAvo-00041-00008575-00008863 each forefinger just here has a suede TWRFSuTMAvo-00042-00008864-00009046 panel that acts as a visor wiper for TWRFSuTMAvo-00043-00009047-00009223 riding in the rain it's better than TWRFSuTMAvo-00044-00009224-00009439 having no wiper at all but in my opinion TWRFSuTMAvo-00045-00009440-00009623 it's not as effective as a rubber blade TWRFSuTMAvo-00046-00009624-00009783 especially on longer rides once this TWRFSuTMAvo-00047-00009784-00009959 saturates it's not so good at clearing TWRFSuTMAvo-00048-00009960-00010095 rain from the visor TWRFSuTMAvo-00049-00010096-00010271 one extra point on the fingertips these TWRFSuTMAvo-00050-00010272-00010438 aren't touch screen compatible so you'll TWRFSuTMAvo-00051-00010439-00010583 need to take them off if you want to use TWRFSuTMAvo-00052-00010584-00010814 your phone if having that function is TWRFSuTMAvo-00053-00010815-00010959 crucial to you that touchscreen TWRFSuTMAvo-00054-00010960-00011191 compatibility then the stratos 2 the TWRFSuTMAvo-00055-00011192-00011406 sequel to these gloves they have those TWRFSuTMAvo-00056-00011407-00011583 touchscreen fingertips one of the TWRFSuTMAvo-00057-00011584-00011774 standout features of these gloves is the TWRFSuTMAvo-00058-00011775-00011991 way the restraints work together rather TWRFSuTMAvo-00059-00011992-00012142 than separately TWRFSuTMAvo-00060-00012143-00012478 pulling the cuff flap in this direction TWRFSuTMAvo-00061-00012479-00012703 tightens that wrist strap just there and TWRFSuTMAvo-00062-00012704-00012894 then you fold this flap over and the TWRFSuTMAvo-00063-00012895-00013079 gloves secured and then when you come to TWRFSuTMAvo-00064-00013080-00013207 undo them TWRFSuTMAvo-00065-00013208-00013343 just pull this tab in the other TWRFSuTMAvo-00066-00013344-00013463 direction TWRFSuTMAvo-00067-00013463-00013686 and that opens the wrist strap and you TWRFSuTMAvo-00068-00013687-00013903 can take the glove off that cuff there TWRFSuTMAvo-00069-00013904-00014119 it's not crazy thick and i could easily TWRFSuTMAvo-00070-00014119-00014294 tuck these gloves inside every textile TWRFSuTMAvo-00071-00014295-00014486 jacket i tried them with TWRFSuTMAvo-00072-00014487-00014655 moving to the inside there's a gore-tex TWRFSuTMAvo-00073-00014656-00014822 membrane in there for waterproofing for TWRFSuTMAvo-00074-00014823-00015022 windproofing and also giving decent TWRFSuTMAvo-00075-00015023-00015158 breathability which stops your hands TWRFSuTMAvo-00076-00015159-00015383 getting really sticky on slightly warmer TWRFSuTMAvo-00077-00015384-00015486 days TWRFSuTMAvo-00078-00015487-00015679 there's also a tri-fleece lining in TWRFSuTMAvo-00079-00015680-00015894 there to help keep you warm TWRFSuTMAvo-00080-00015895-00016094 i wouldn't describe these as full winter TWRFSuTMAvo-00081-00016095-00016263 gloves but they're getting there really TWRFSuTMAvo-00082-00016263-00016422 they do have a reasonable level of TWRFSuTMAvo-00083-00016423-00016671 insulation inside i wore these gloves in TWRFSuTMAvo-00084-00016672-00016830 temperatures of around nine degrees TWRFSuTMAvo-00085-00016831-00017039 celsius and my hands were reasonably TWRFSuTMAvo-00086-00017040-00017230 comfortable at that temperature a bit TWRFSuTMAvo-00087-00017231-00017407 later on in the day when it warmed up a TWRFSuTMAvo-00088-00017408-00017567 little bit and we got up to around 11 or TWRFSuTMAvo-00089-00017568-00017799 12 degrees and my hands were absolutely TWRFSuTMAvo-00090-00017800-00017958 fine things like that are always TWRFSuTMAvo-00091-00017959-00018150 subjective and i've met plenty of people TWRFSuTMAvo-00092-00018151-00018358 who are more sensitive to the cold than TWRFSuTMAvo-00093-00018359-00018558 i am and also a fair few riders who are TWRFSuTMAvo-00094-00018559-00018799 less sensitive to it as well i think TWRFSuTMAvo-00095-00018800-00018983 once temperatures get down to five and TWRFSuTMAvo-00096-00018984-00019191 six degrees for me then a chunkier pair TWRFSuTMAvo-00097-00019192-00019407 of full winter gloves are more likely to TWRFSuTMAvo-00098-00019408-00019607 be needed or even heated gloves for TWRFSuTMAvo-00099-00019608-00019847 those people who really feel the cold TWRFSuTMAvo-00100-00019848-00020055 if your bike's got heated grips then i TWRFSuTMAvo-00101-00020056-00020263 think a pair of gloves like these will TWRFSuTMAvo-00102-00020264-00020407 work really well in combination with TWRFSuTMAvo-00103-00020408-00020575 those heated grips i mean you won't need TWRFSuTMAvo-00104-00020576-00020783 to get a thicker pair of winter gloves TWRFSuTMAvo-00105-00020784-00020991 really compromise on your feel if you TWRFSuTMAvo-00106-00020992-00021135 can get away with a glove like this a TWRFSuTMAvo-00107-00021136-00021311 slightly lighter one then you're always TWRFSuTMAvo-00108-00021312-00021422 going to get better feel for what's TWRFSuTMAvo-00109-00021423-00021599 going on with the bike so these offer a TWRFSuTMAvo-00110-00021600-00021839 good balance of protection against the TWRFSuTMAvo-00111-00021840-00022007 elements and also that feel for the TWRFSuTMAvo-00112-00022008-00022150 controls TWRFSuTMAvo-00113-00022151-00022335 the customer feedback on these gloves so TWRFSuTMAvo-00114-00022336-00022550 far has been largely positive as you'd TWRFSuTMAvo-00115-00022551-00022727 expect some reviewers say their hands TWRFSuTMAvo-00116-00022728-00022958 got chilly when it dropped below 10 TWRFSuTMAvo-00117-00022959-00023103 degrees and there are others who say TWRFSuTMAvo-00118-00023104-00023303 these gloves are really good as far down TWRFSuTMAvo-00119-00023304-00023486 as five or six degrees like i said TWRFSuTMAvo-00120-00023487-00023622 earlier that always depends on the TWRFSuTMAvo-00121-00023623-00023839 person and how they feel the cold TWRFSuTMAvo-00122-00023840-00024047 some people do find this strap fastener TWRFSuTMAvo-00123-00024048-00024263 a bit fiddly and some people say it made TWRFSuTMAvo-00124-00024264-00024399 it tricky to put the gloves on i think TWRFSuTMAvo-00125-00024400-00024558 that's because they didn't find enough TWRFSuTMAvo-00126-00024559-00024814 room within this wrist strap here but i TWRFSuTMAvo-00127-00024815-00025007 did an experiment and asked someone on TWRFSuTMAvo-00128-00025008-00025271 our team who's got size xl hands to put TWRFSuTMAvo-00129-00025272-00025414 on this pair of medium gloves just to TWRFSuTMAvo-00130-00025415-00025575 see whether they could get their hands TWRFSuTMAvo-00131-00025576-00025750 through this when it was fully opened TWRFSuTMAvo-00132-00025751-00025887 and they had no problem getting them TWRFSuTMAvo-00133-00025888-00026062 into a medium glove so i'd say as long TWRFSuTMAvo-00134-00026063-00026262 as you've got that opened nice and wide TWRFSuTMAvo-00135-00026263-00026439 as far as it'll go there should be room TWRFSuTMAvo-00136-00026439-00026655 for a good sized hand and wrist to get TWRFSuTMAvo-00137-00026656-00026831 through that strap it took me a couple TWRFSuTMAvo-00138-00026832-00026999 of goes to get completely comfortable TWRFSuTMAvo-00139-00027000-00027199 with how this works but after a few TWRFSuTMAvo-00140-00027200-00027407 rides out i found it pretty easy and in TWRFSuTMAvo-00141-00027408-00027551 the end i actually found it easier than TWRFSuTMAvo-00142-00027552-00027790 fiddling about with another velcro strap TWRFSuTMAvo-00143-00027791-00027935 around the wrist TWRFSuTMAvo-00144-00027936-00028070 the final detail i want to cover with TWRFSuTMAvo-00145-00028072-00028231 these gloves is the ce approval these TWRFSuTMAvo-00146-00028232-00028407 gloves meet the basic level one of the TWRFSuTMAvo-00147-00028408-00028614 ce standard with the rating to show the TWRFSuTMAvo-00148-00028616-00028774 knuckle armor is protective like i said TWRFSuTMAvo-00149-00028775-00029062 earlier these gloves come in sizes small TWRFSuTMAvo-00150-00029063-00029255 to triple extra large and i would say TWRFSuTMAvo-00151-00029256-00029414 the sizing is pretty regular i wear a TWRFSuTMAvo-00152-00029416-00029567 size medium and the vast majority of TWRFSuTMAvo-00153-00029568-00029799 gloves and i took a medium in these two TWRFSuTMAvo-00154-00029800-00029935 i've always liked revvit gloves and i TWRFSuTMAvo-00155-00029936-00030102 feel the same about these which i think TWRFSuTMAvo-00156-00030103-00030318 are a really good value way of getting TWRFSuTMAvo-00157-00030319-00030487 your hands into a pair of thermal TWRFSuTMAvo-00158-00030488-00030883 gore-tex TWRFSuTMAvo-00159-00030883-00031087 gloves hope that tells you everything TWRFSuTMAvo-00160-00031088-00031262 you wanted to know about the revit TWRFSuTMAvo-00161-00031263-00031502 stratos gore-tex gloves but if there is TWRFSuTMAvo-00162-00031503-00031711 anything you'd like to ask or to add TWRFSuTMAvo-00163-00031712-00031911 then please pop a comment below thanks TWRFSuTMAvo-00164-00031912-00034135 for 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Tap-C4E9Sjk-00016-00004153-00004299 of people generally for those product Tap-C4E9Sjk-00017-00004300-00004485 management IBM calls it offering Tap-C4E9Sjk-00018-00004486-00004692 management so you are focused on the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00019-00004693-00005043 public cloud but but specific to the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00020-00005044-00005265 VMware swimlane is that right yeah that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00021-00005266-00005517 is correct so if you think about it I Tap-C4E9Sjk-00022-00005518-00005925 own the VMware offering solutions on our Tap-C4E9Sjk-00023-00005926-00006213 cloud so that is everything associated Tap-C4E9Sjk-00024-00006214-00006410 with the whole VMware software-defined Tap-C4E9Sjk-00025-00006411-00006728 data center stack but also a lot of our Tap-C4E9Sjk-00026-00006729-00006975 partner solutions many solutions in the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00027-00006976-00007223 security space many solutions in the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00028-00007225-00007428 business resiliency space and that's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00029-00007429-00007706 kind of where Veen had came in on that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00030-00007708-00007977 aspect the first public cloud deal that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00031-00007978-00008228 VMware did if kept me from wrong was Tap-C4E9Sjk-00032-00008229-00008546 with IBM was it not yes so if you just Tap-C4E9Sjk-00033-00008547-00009014 go back a little bit in time IBM itself Tap-C4E9Sjk-00034-00009015-00009333 is probably the largest if not the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00035-00009334-00009803 largest provider of VMware workloads and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00036-00009804-00009996 mainly it's due to a lot of our GTS Tap-C4E9Sjk-00037-00009997-00010403 services business but back in 2016 this Tap-C4E9Sjk-00038-00010404-00010617 looked like a great opportunity to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00039-00010618-00010851 actually go on the public cloud and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00040-00010852-00011046 actually stand up a software-defined Tap-C4E9Sjk-00041-00011047-00011313 data center stack from VMware so we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00042-00011314-00011603 started on that in that partnership with Tap-C4E9Sjk-00043-00011604-00011988 VMware and started to just basically Tap-C4E9Sjk-00044-00011989-00012156 grow that business that business has Tap-C4E9Sjk-00045-00012157-00012459 been growing at about a 75% kegger over Tap-C4E9Sjk-00046-00012460-00012717 the last few years and then that was Tap-C4E9Sjk-00047-00012718-00012924 kind of like step one get the stack and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00048-00012925-00013088 then step two was how do you get those Tap-C4E9Sjk-00049-00013089-00013311 security services in and some of those Tap-C4E9Sjk-00050-00013312-00013554 billion business resiliency services in Tap-C4E9Sjk-00051-00013555-00013752 and that's what we started to go in and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00052-00013753-00014088 do a real deep partnership with veem and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00053-00014088-00014312 happy to say that we started that in Tap-C4E9Sjk-00054-00014313-00014811 2017 and we have about 12,000 plus VMS Tap-C4E9Sjk-00055-00014812-00015094 both bare-metal and also in virtualized Tap-C4E9Sjk-00056-00015096-00015465 vmware on our cloud it's been about a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00057-00015466-00015641 hundred and seventy percent year-to-year Tap-C4E9Sjk-00058-00015643-00015888 growth rate so beams killing it on our Tap-C4E9Sjk-00059-00015888-00016206 cloud it really are and and your your Tap-C4E9Sjk-00060-00016207-00016545 scope is anything in the IBM cloud Tap-C4E9Sjk-00061-00016546-00016737 that's VMware related so it could be a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00062-00016738-00016968 database services could be doors Tap-C4E9Sjk-00063-00016969-00017235 obviously data protection with Veen what Tap-C4E9Sjk-00064-00017236-00017535 do you think is driving the beam IBM Tap-C4E9Sjk-00065-00017536-00017853 momentum well I think what's driving it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00066-00017854-00018144 is if you think about a lot of these you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00067-00018145-00018372 know critical customers first thing Tap-C4E9Sjk-00068-00018373-00018558 they're going to want to do is take Tap-C4E9Sjk-00069-00018559-00018780 advantage of a lot of things that you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00070-00018781-00019080 get with a cloud whether it's moving Tap-C4E9Sjk-00071-00019081-00019362 from a capex to an effects model or Tap-C4E9Sjk-00072-00019363-00019509 being able to get that capacity Tap-C4E9Sjk-00073-00019510-00019698 expansion and there's a whole bunch of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00074-00019699-00019887 different use cases that you got but one Tap-C4E9Sjk-00075-00019888-00020156 of the key things to them is this whole Tap-C4E9Sjk-00076-00020157-00020463 business continuity the ability to make Tap-C4E9Sjk-00077-00020464-00020733 sure that I can back it up I can recover Tap-C4E9Sjk-00078-00020734-00021054 as quickly as I possibly can and maybe Tap-C4E9Sjk-00079-00021055-00021369 more importantly we have about 60 data Tap-C4E9Sjk-00080-00021370-00021692 centers worldwide and being able to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00081-00021693-00022053 essentially have that geographic span is Tap-C4E9Sjk-00082-00022054-00022341 a huge advantage and also the fact that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00083-00022342-00022634 just take backup as a simple example Tap-C4E9Sjk-00084-00022635-00023001 when I backup I may be moving data back Tap-C4E9Sjk-00085-00023002-00023202 and forth in a particular region I'm Tap-C4E9Sjk-00086-00023203-00023442 looking for some latency and not to be Tap-C4E9Sjk-00087-00023443-00023589 able to be charged for that it's a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00088-00023590-00023757 powerful value proposition for the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00089-00023758-00023946 customer so we don't charge for any type Tap-C4E9Sjk-00090-00023947-00024330 of data movement inside our cloud and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00091-00024331-00024543 also when you go outside maybe for high Tap-C4E9Sjk-00092-00024544-00025019 availability outside into the geographic Tap-C4E9Sjk-00093-00025020-00025302 reach the same thing happens so I think Tap-C4E9Sjk-00094-00025303-00025578 those are some very key things that it's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00095-00025579-00025895 the security the very fast backup and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00096-00025897-00026076 recovery and knowing that you're not Tap-C4E9Sjk-00097-00026077-00026301 getting charged for that private secure Tap-C4E9Sjk-00098-00026302-00026511 network brings a real good value Tap-C4E9Sjk-00099-00026512-00026708 proposition to our customers that are Tap-C4E9Sjk-00100-00026710-00026862 leveraging Veeam and others Tap-C4E9Sjk-00101-00026863-00027105 services so we think that we're now Tap-C4E9Sjk-00102-00027106-00027387 entering into a third era of cloud where Tap-C4E9Sjk-00103-00027388-00027529 the first one was basically makers Tap-C4E9Sjk-00104-00027530-00027749 companies have created SAS companies Tap-C4E9Sjk-00105-00027750-00028005 gaming companies and then people moved Tap-C4E9Sjk-00106-00028006-00028183 analytics into there for a variety of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00107-00028183-00028330 reasons now the enterprise seems to be Tap-C4E9Sjk-00108-00028331-00028489 getting into the big way certainly at Tap-C4E9Sjk-00109-00028489-00028608 the large size but that's starting to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00110-00028609-00028808 move down into the mid-range as well Tap-C4E9Sjk-00111-00028809-00029058 your advantage IBM's advantage has Tap-C4E9Sjk-00112-00029059-00029358 always been your ability to engage and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00113-00029359-00029851 bind with your customer base how are you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00114-00029852-00030276 how is IBM and helping to move these Tap-C4E9Sjk-00115-00030277-00030523 customers forward and what is the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00116-00030524-00030892 backup/restore conversation in that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00117-00030893-00031140 process is it an afterthought is it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00118-00031141-00031282 something that's becoming more central Tap-C4E9Sjk-00119-00031283-00031501 to their thinking how is it working yeah Tap-C4E9Sjk-00120-00031502-00031729 so that's a great question Peter so the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00121-00031730-00031989 way I think we and IBM cloud have Tap-C4E9Sjk-00122-00031990-00032149 thought about this is we've kind of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00123-00032150-00032370 divided the journey to cloud into two Tap-C4E9Sjk-00124-00032371-00032782 pieces the 20% that are there they Tap-C4E9Sjk-00125-00032783-00033061 weren't the real I'll call them business Tap-C4E9Sjk-00126-00033062-00033235 critical type of workloads that are Tap-C4E9Sjk-00127-00033236-00033601 going on but that next 80% that's where Tap-C4E9Sjk-00128-00033602-00033832 we really see a huge advantage to us Tap-C4E9Sjk-00129-00033833-00034146 it's our enterprise relationships it's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00130-00034147-00034410 what we do from a security aspect on the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00131-00034411-00034830 cloud and how easily we could help them Tap-C4E9Sjk-00132-00034831-00035080 what we call lift and shift and migrate Tap-C4E9Sjk-00133-00035081-00035251 things over and then once you're there Tap-C4E9Sjk-00134-00035252-00035530 how could I help give you that assurance Tap-C4E9Sjk-00135-00035531-00035757 that we're gonna give you the best Tap-C4E9Sjk-00136-00035758-00036042 backup the best recovery in the event of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00137-00036043-00036264 a disaster something that can if you do Tap-C4E9Sjk-00138-00036265-00036457 see a failure being able to have a very Tap-C4E9Sjk-00139-00036458-00036757 fast recovery point you know objective Tap-C4E9Sjk-00140-00036758-00037080 and get you knowing that everything is Tap-C4E9Sjk-00141-00037081-00037345 secure and backed up and has this wide Tap-C4E9Sjk-00142-00037346-00037596 geographic spread and even think about Tap-C4E9Sjk-00143-00037597-00037776 in the areas of compliance these days Tap-C4E9Sjk-00144-00037777-00038035 GDP are I mean you have to have these Tap-C4E9Sjk-00145-00038036-00038242 data centers worldwide and sometimes Tap-C4E9Sjk-00146-00038243-00038551 they have to be you know fixed so we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00147-00038552-00038755 provide that whole value proposition I Tap-C4E9Sjk-00148-00038756-00039033 think to those clients in that in that 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charging vendor that has a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00163-00042196-00042543 reputation for great quality stuff but a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00164-00042544-00042692 lot of innovation moving very quickly Tap-C4E9Sjk-00165-00042693-00042993 how is how are you ensuring that there's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00166-00042994-00043389 no impedance mismatch between you i b m Tap-C4E9Sjk-00167-00043390-00043671 IBM customers and veem and the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00168-00043672-00043873 technology vectors that it's on yeah Tap-C4E9Sjk-00169-00043874-00044082 well first of all it's a very very deep Tap-C4E9Sjk-00170-00044083-00044292 partnership I mean very very close Tap-C4E9Sjk-00171-00044293-00044574 relationship with them this is not a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00172-00044575-00044770 vendor supplier relationship this is a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00173-00044771-00045004 very very deep partnership and the other Tap-C4E9Sjk-00174-00045005-00045296 thing is from a technology standpoint Tap-C4E9Sjk-00175-00045297-00045601 one of our big differentiators on the 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Tap-C4E9Sjk-00189-00048931-00049105 group it's just another another role of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00190-00049106-00049446 VMs absolutely and that whole control Tap-C4E9Sjk-00191-00049447-00049795 and management of that gives you extreme Tap-C4E9Sjk-00192-00049796-00050020 flexibility that you really can't get in Tap-C4E9Sjk-00193-00050021-00050346 any other type of cloud I like to say Tap-C4E9Sjk-00194-00050347-00050601 that you can come in and custom build Tap-C4E9Sjk-00195-00050602-00050849 your infrastructure your VMware Tap-C4E9Sjk-00196-00050850-00051099 software-defined data center stack your Tap-C4E9Sjk-00197-00051100-00051369 services such as Veen you custom build Tap-C4E9Sjk-00198-00051370-00051504 it any way that you want Tap-C4E9Sjk-00199-00051505-00051700 it's like leasing a car after you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00200-00051701-00051979 custom-built that car we hand you the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00201-00051979-00052261 keys its client managed you go out and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00202-00052262-00052498 do whatever you want with that and if Tap-C4E9Sjk-00203-00052499-00052650 you don't like it you can turn those Tap-C4E9Sjk-00204-00052651-00052846 keys back in because we just do things Tap-C4E9Sjk-00205-00052847-00053053 not on a long-term commitment but on Tap-C4E9Sjk-00206-00053054-00053190 monthly commitments Tap-C4E9Sjk-00207-00053191-00053421 I want to maybe drill down on that a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00208-00053422-00053553 little bit jail and try to better Tap-C4E9Sjk-00209-00053554-00053867 understand some of the flexibility that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00210-00053869-00054048 I'm inferring from your statement so you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00211-00054049-00054266 your main framer you remember the days Tap-C4E9Sjk-00212-00054267-00054597 of the SMS and one of the things about Tap-C4E9Sjk-00213-00054598-00054957 it was that I could set policy for data Tap-C4E9Sjk-00214-00054958-00055209 protection for backup based upon the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00215-00055210-00055362 workload I could say back this up you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00216-00055363-00055512 know once a week or back this up every Tap-C4E9Sjk-00217-00055513-00055686 day or every hour or what it was I had a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00218-00055687-00055920 granular level of capability it was Tap-C4E9Sjk-00219-00055921-00056139 mainframe so it was you know big stuff a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00220-00056140-00056385 lot of the challenges within certainly Tap-C4E9Sjk-00221-00056386-00056577 the midsize and smaller businesses it's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00222-00056578-00056757 like one size fits all this has been a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00223-00056758-00056991 you know problem for everybody for years Tap-C4E9Sjk-00224-00056991-00057201 Danny Allen this morning and the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00225-00057202-00057366 analysts and media session was talking Tap-C4E9Sjk-00226-00057366-00057615 about whose the products guy here yeah Tap-C4E9Sjk-00227-00057616-00057888 talking about the ability to sort of set Tap-C4E9Sjk-00228-00057889-00058197 granular levels the pressures of RPO and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00229-00058198-00058419 RTO and and and I wanted to sort of test Tap-C4E9Sjk-00230-00058420-00058659 how challenging it is to do that by Tap-C4E9Sjk-00231-00058660-00058902 workload or by application and how IBM Tap-C4E9Sjk-00232-00058903-00059148 and beam are supporting that how Tap-C4E9Sjk-00233-00059149-00059364 complicated is it are your clients doing Tap-C4E9Sjk-00234-00059365-00059475 it or is it still kind of a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00235-00059476-00059703 one-size-fits-all world I wouldn't say Tap-C4E9Sjk-00236-00059704-00059889 it's one-size-fits-all but what I would Tap-C4E9Sjk-00237-00059890-00060240 say is by given the clients full control Tap-C4E9Sjk-00238-00060241-00060357 and having the freedom and the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00239-00060358-00060546 flexibility to do things that they want Tap-C4E9Sjk-00240-00060547-00060765 the tight integration of this veem Tap-C4E9Sjk-00241-00060766-00061071 technology into the V center console and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00242-00061072-00061359 such it gives them the ability I like to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00243-00061360-00061689 say do it at your own pace do it when Tap-C4E9Sjk-00244-00061690-00061929 you want to even something as simple as Tap-C4E9Sjk-00245-00061929-00062313 let's say managing VMware and patching Tap-C4E9Sjk-00246-00062314-00062484 it instead of having somebody else do Tap-C4E9Sjk-00247-00062485-00062741 for you at their pace we essentially Tap-C4E9Sjk-00248-00062742-00063012 allow you to do it at your pace when you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00249-00063013-00063210 want to and it's the same thing with the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00250-00063211-00063552 backup you do it when you want to at Tap-C4E9Sjk-00251-00063553-00063849 your frequency what regions you want to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00252-00063850-00064065 go or your whole geographic spread and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00253-00064066-00064216 we try to provide the maximum Tap-C4E9Sjk-00254-00064217-00064476 flexibility and control to our mutual Tap-C4E9Sjk-00255-00064477-00064659 clients to enable that and on the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00256-00064660-00064908 automation scale or you know the nine Tap-C4E9Sjk-00257-00064909-00065133 inning game of automation where are we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00258-00065134-00065385 how how automated can I make that but Tap-C4E9Sjk-00259-00065386-00065574 more importantly how fast our customers Tap-C4E9Sjk-00260-00065575-00065745 adopting that sort of automation Tap-C4E9Sjk-00261-00065746-00066057 scenario yeah so your experience when Tap-C4E9Sjk-00262-00066058-00066273 you come into our Tap-C4E9Sjk-00263-00066274-00066543 our cloud and essentially you click on I Tap-C4E9Sjk-00264-00066544-00066726 want to go to the cloud you click on the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00265-00066727-00066999 VMware offering it's a very simple menu Tap-C4E9Sjk-00266-00067000-00067248 you pick your infrastructure compute Tap-C4E9Sjk-00267-00067249-00067440 network storage I'll keep it simple for Tap-C4E9Sjk-00268-00067441-00067791 now you pick your soft software-defined Tap-C4E9Sjk-00269-00067792-00068101 data center stack and we even enable a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00270-00068102-00068391 BYO l a lot of people have their own Tap-C4E9Sjk-00271-00068392-00068709 vSphere licenses we enable them to go in Tap-C4E9Sjk-00272-00068710-00068871 and insert their key which is a cost Tap-C4E9Sjk-00273-00068872-00069090 advantage to them then you pick your Tap-C4E9Sjk-00274-00069091-00069330 partner services and such so you pick Tap-C4E9Sjk-00275-00069331-00069513 your veem and then you can go in there Tap-C4E9Sjk-00276-00069514-00069678 and say well where do I want to put it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00277-00069679-00070094 do I want to put it into V Sam do I want Tap-C4E9Sjk-00278-00070095-00070326 to put it into a file based storage and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00279-00070327-00070524 I think what we're really excited about Tap-C4E9Sjk-00280-00070525-00070794 is we just recently announced being able Tap-C4E9Sjk-00281-00070795-00071067 to put this into IBM's cloud object Tap-C4E9Sjk-00282-00071068-00071334 storage and that's huge because if you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00283-00071335-00071523 think about it we all live in this area Tap-C4E9Sjk-00284-00071524-00071760 of regulatory and compliance and it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00285-00071761-00071949 can't throw anything away and the data Tap-C4E9Sjk-00286-00071950-00072219 is just exploding all over the place so Tap-C4E9Sjk-00287-00072220-00072516 having that ability to put it into a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00288-00072517-00072855 lower cost storage and all automated and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00289-00072856-00073155 essentially Veen consensually point to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00290-00073156-00073437 any of those multiple storage tiers it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00291-00073438-00073704 gives our customers a big advantage so Tap-C4E9Sjk-00292-00073705-00074015 that they could essentially I'll call it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00293-00074016-00074313 right tune what they want to do and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00294-00074314-00074556 where they want to do their backups they Tap-C4E9Sjk-00295-00074557-00074763 want something they're quick or they say Tap-C4E9Sjk-00296-00074764-00074922 now you know that could be a cold vault Tap-C4E9Sjk-00297-00074923-00075117 I can keep that out there for awhile Tap-C4E9Sjk-00298-00075118-00075332 when I need it I'll go back and get it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00299-00075333-00075531 so a lot of flexibility on storage Tap-C4E9Sjk-00300-00075532-00075723 options a lot of flexibility on the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00301-00075724-00076006 pricing but Veen essentially is that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00302-00076007-00076238 powerhouse behind it that's actually Tap-C4E9Sjk-00303-00076239-00076538 interfacing that VMware world as well as Tap-C4E9Sjk-00304-00076539-00076746 on the bare metal side over to those Tap-C4E9Sjk-00305-00076747-00076878 various levels of storage Tap-C4E9Sjk-00306-00076879-00077051 so David answer your question we're only Tap-C4E9Sjk-00307-00077052-00077196 one that nine innings I would have said Tap-C4E9Sjk-00308-00077197-00077454 bottom of the first one out two men on Tap-C4E9Sjk-00309-00077455-00077882 one of them's Manny Ramirez because you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00310-00077883-00078042 just don't know what's gonna happen next Tap-C4E9Sjk-00311-00078043-00078206 and that's what I want to bring up being Tap-C4E9Sjk-00312-00078207-00078562 talked about the embossing fan No Tap-C4E9Sjk-00313-00078563-00078847 being talked about the the whiff Veen Tap-C4E9Sjk-00314-00078848-00079291 and I'm wondering how IBM sees it Tap-C4E9Sjk-00315-00079292-00079575 bringing its this massive innovation you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00316-00079576-00079818 still are one of the leading generators Tap-C4E9Sjk-00317-00079819-00080076 of patents in in certainly in the tech Tap-C4E9Sjk-00318-00080077-00080456 industry but globally how do you see IBM Tap-C4E9Sjk-00319-00080457-00080787 bringing IBM intellectual property IBM Tap-C4E9Sjk-00320-00080788-00081199 invention to this with veeam platform to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00321-00081200-00081478 increase the degree to which it can Tap-C4E9Sjk-00322-00081479-00081715 serve a broader range of customers of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00323-00081716-00081862 different sizes different geographies Tap-C4E9Sjk-00324-00081863-00082107 and different workload forms how do you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00325-00082108-00082287 see IBM participating in that process Tap-C4E9Sjk-00326-00082288-00082504 let me give you a couple examples so let Tap-C4E9Sjk-00327-00082505-00082719 me just take a non vein example just to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00328-00082720-00083062 talk about some IBM innovation so about Tap-C4E9Sjk-00329-00083063-00083293 a month ago we actually introduced Tap-C4E9Sjk-00330-00083294-00083497 something called hyper protect crypto Tap-C4E9Sjk-00331-00083498-00083769 services it's a big word there basically Tap-C4E9Sjk-00332-00083770-00084049 it is it's the same technology that we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00333-00084050-00084298 have in System z that's used by our Tap-C4E9Sjk-00334-00084299-00084571 large enterprise customers that gives Tap-C4E9Sjk-00335-00084572-00085024 you that that FIPS 140-2 level 4 so we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00336-00085025-00085255 are the only cloud in the world that has Tap-C4E9Sjk-00337-00085256-00085441 that technology that's on there Tap-C4E9Sjk-00338-00085442-00085711 basically once you put your keys in Tap-C4E9Sjk-00339-00085712-00085926 there nobody's going to get to them at Tap-C4E9Sjk-00340-00085927-00086161 all and it's an innovation of taking Tap-C4E9Sjk-00341-00086162-00086296 something that was done in a different Tap-C4E9Sjk-00342-00086297-00086566 division within IBM and now making that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00343-00086567-00086957 as an endpoint service within our cloud Tap-C4E9Sjk-00344-00086958-00087211 now let me give me an example of doing a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00345-00087212-00087501 little bit of innovation even with what Tap-C4E9Sjk-00346-00087502-00087748 veem so one of the things that we are Tap-C4E9Sjk-00347-00087749-00087922 trying to do is you know we started out Tap-C4E9Sjk-00348-00087923-00088092 hey let's lay down the software data Tap-C4E9Sjk-00349-00088093-00088279 center stack let's lay down partner Tap-C4E9Sjk-00350-00088280-00088498 services now let's focus on what's a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00351-00088499-00088725 solution layer on top of it how do we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00352-00088726-00088980 add more value into our clients so just Tap-C4E9Sjk-00353-00088981-00089260 take sa P for example we've just Tap-C4E9Sjk-00354-00089261-00089467 recently announced both on a bare-metal Tap-C4E9Sjk-00355-00089468-00089878 and also on our VMware side to be able Tap-C4E9Sjk-00356-00089879-00090099 to have a we're the only cloud that has Tap-C4E9Sjk-00357-00090100-00090441 a certified s ap server in the cloud and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00358-00090442-00090726 what we've just recently done is we've Tap-C4E9Sjk-00359-00090727-00091017 integrated and put V as that backup Tap-C4E9Sjk-00360-00091018-00091299 choice for that so now what that really Tap-C4E9Sjk-00361-00091300-00091626 enables everyone to do is leverage a lot Tap-C4E9Sjk-00362-00091627-00091781 of innovative work that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00363-00091782-00091952 was stolen to make sure that you can Tap-C4E9Sjk-00364-00091953-00092285 back up sa P correctly we married that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00365-00092286-00092555 with our infrastructure and our bare Tap-C4E9Sjk-00366-00092556-00092951 metal / VMware stack with beam is that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00367-00092952-00093167 back up and just a little bit of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00368-00093168-00093350 foreshadowing in the future we're gonna Tap-C4E9Sjk-00369-00093351-00093641 look at ways to further automate a lot Tap-C4E9Sjk-00370-00093642-00093902 of that s ap landscape so our clients Tap-C4E9Sjk-00371-00093903-00094252 see you know a much better automated Tap-C4E9Sjk-00372-00094253-00094553 solution so that they essentially and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00373-00094554-00094721 using your baseball analogy you're gonna Tap-C4E9Sjk-00374-00094722-00094898 see that full range of automation and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00375-00094899-00095114 say wow I think we're at the end of the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00376-00095115-00095420 game here this thing truly is automated Tap-C4E9Sjk-00377-00095421-00095759 easy to consume and I'll have the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00378-00095760-00095954 confidence of the security and the Tap-C4E9Sjk-00379-00095955-00096149 business resiliency knowing that it's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00380-00096150-00096431 got the trusted IBM name behind it I'll Tap-C4E9Sjk-00381-00096432-00096680 give us a summary of 2019 maybe some of Tap-C4E9Sjk-00382-00096681-00096923 the first-half highlights and maybe show Tap-C4E9Sjk-00383-00096924-00097159 a little leg for the second half sure Tap-C4E9Sjk-00384-00097160-00097451 leading up to I didn't think so I Tap-C4E9Sjk-00385-00097452-00097697 mentioned a few things about what we did Tap-C4E9Sjk-00386-00097698-00097970 in the security space already so we've Tap-C4E9Sjk-00387-00097971-00098294 enabled besides our what we've done with Tap-C4E9Sjk-00388-00098295-00098630 high trust with data and key protection Tap-C4E9Sjk-00389-00098631-00098825 we've also enabled IBM's key protect Tap-C4E9Sjk-00390-00098826-00099122 services we brought this systems e hyper Tap-C4E9Sjk-00391-00099123-00099389 protect services into the mix we've Tap-C4E9Sjk-00392-00099390-00099635 enabled things like cavi onyx to bring Tap-C4E9Sjk-00393-00099636-00099824 their risk foresight so now we can Tap-C4E9Sjk-00394-00099825-00100040 monitor a lot of compliance and keep Tap-C4E9Sjk-00395-00100041-00100367 things in compliance and monitor you we Tap-C4E9Sjk-00396-00100368-00100592 brought some app modernization to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00397-00100593-00100850 essentially help people on their journey Tap-C4E9Sjk-00398-00100851-00101114 modernize their apps leveraging both and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00399-00101115-00101333 in a tight integration of VMware and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00400-00101334-00101585 what we call ICP hosted or IBM cloud Tap-C4E9Sjk-00401-00101586-00101789 private hosted to get that tight Tap-C4E9Sjk-00402-00101790-00102020 integration and such but moving forward Tap-C4E9Sjk-00403-00102021-00102248 I see a couple big things and I'll try Tap-C4E9Sjk-00404-00102249-00102356 to maybe put them in the Veen Tap-C4E9Sjk-00405-00102357-00102650 perspective as such you heard me mention Tap-C4E9Sjk-00406-00102651-00102947 before about this 80% of that real key Tap-C4E9Sjk-00407-00102948-00103106 workload coming over to the cloud that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00408-00103107-00103316 you know business critic or Tap-C4E9Sjk-00409-00103317-00103556 mission-critical we announced last year Tap-C4E9Sjk-00410-00103557-00103763 something called mission-critical VMware Tap-C4E9Sjk-00411-00103764-00104110 and basically what it is it's two to Tap-C4E9Sjk-00412-00104111-00104335 active active type of sites with a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00413-00104336-00104593 witness site and essentially are moving Tap-C4E9Sjk-00414-00104594-00104758 things back and forth so if you have a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00415-00104759-00104981 failure within a region you instantly Tap-C4E9Sjk-00416-00104982-00105160 can go in and switch over Tap-C4E9Sjk-00417-00105161-00105304 and the idea is to give you the highest Tap-C4E9Sjk-00418-00105305-00105596 availability into the cloud and Veeam is Tap-C4E9Sjk-00419-00105597-00105760 a very much integral part of that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00420-00105761-00106001 solution in the sense that it'll be our Tap-C4E9Sjk-00421-00106002-00106223 backup and that's since you said to do a Tap-C4E9Sjk-00422-00106224-00106379 little bit of foreshadowing say what's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00423-00106380-00106636 coming in the future we have a very very Tap-C4E9Sjk-00424-00106638-00107011 strong single tenant VMware offering on Tap-C4E9Sjk-00425-00107013-00107201 the cloud like I was saying you know Tap-C4E9Sjk-00426-00107202-00107386 it's client managed the hypervisor Tap-C4E9Sjk-00427-00107388-00107672 access you got that extreme flexibility Tap-C4E9Sjk-00428-00107673-00107954 and control but we'd like to do is kind Tap-C4E9Sjk-00429-00107955-00108154 of look into a little bit more that Tap-C4E9Sjk-00430-00108155-00108385 multi tenant type of space and we think Tap-C4E9Sjk-00431-00108386-00108632 it opens up a whole new market segment Tap-C4E9Sjk-00432-00108633-00108835 for us in that emerging market and Tap-C4E9Sjk-00433-00108836-00109049 commercial market space guess who's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00434-00109050-00109223 going to be our partner in that to make Tap-C4E9Sjk-00435-00109224-00109427 the backup happen that's gonna be V Tap-C4E9Sjk-00436-00109428-00109670 right go Dale Hoffman thanks so much for Tap-C4E9Sjk-00437-00109671-00109889 coming along with me some of the ways in Tap-C4E9Sjk-00438-00109890-00110099 which IBM is differentiating and not do Tap-C4E9Sjk-00439-00110100-00110228 an infrastructure service and just Tap-C4E9Sjk-00440-00110229-00110456 racing to zero but really trying to pick Tap-C4E9Sjk-00441-00110457-00110648 your spots and really appreciate your Tap-C4E9Sjk-00442-00110649-00110852 insights and thanks again okay thank you Tap-C4E9Sjk-00443-00110853-00110972 all right keep it right to everybody Tap-C4E9Sjk-00444-00110973-00111119 this is Dave Volante with Peterborough's Tap-C4E9Sjk-00445-00111120-00111398 day one at Vemma 2019 and for Miami Tap-C4E9Sjk-00446-00111399-00111779 you're watching the cube over write back Tc1bqGx45ly-00000-00000051-00000302 the MODOK National Forest has a 1 Tc1bqGx45ly-00001-00000303-00000539 million six hundred fifty-four thousand Tc1bqGx45ly-00002-00000540-00000728 three hundred ninety-two acre six Tc1bqGx45ly-00003-00000729-00000937 thousand six hundred ninety five square Tc1bqGx45ly-00004-00000938-00001118 kilometers National Forest in Tc1bqGx45ly-00005-00001119-00001748 northeastern California Tc1bqGx45ly-00006-00001750-00002278 topic geography Tc1bqGx45ly-00007-00002279-00002554 the MODOK National Forest protects parts Tc1bqGx45ly-00008-00002555-00002776 of MODOK eighty-two point nine percent Tc1bqGx45ly-00009-00002777-00003222 of acreage lassen 9.4% and Siskiyou 7.7% Tc1bqGx45ly-00010-00003223-00003547 counties most of the forest was covered Tc1bqGx45ly-00011-00003547-00003751 by immense lava flows occurring over the Tc1bqGx45ly-00012-00003752-00004042 last five hundred thousand years the Tc1bqGx45ly-00013-00004043-00004225 eastern part of the forest east of all Tc1bqGx45ly-00014-00004226-00004432 Taurus contains a spur of the Cascade Tc1bqGx45ly-00015-00004433-00004611 Range to the north known as the Warner Tc1bqGx45ly-00016-00004612-00004858 Mountains the Warner Mountains dropped Tc1bqGx45ly-00017-00004859-00005061 steeply on the eastern slopes whereas Tc1bqGx45ly-00018-00005062-00005242 the western flank has a more gentle Tc1bqGx45ly-00019-00005243-00005815 topography Tc1bqGx45ly-00020-00005816-00006347 topic ecology Tc1bqGx45ly-00021-00006348-00006581 due to the elevation and precipitation Tc1bqGx45ly-00022-00006581-00006797 differences the forests host a large Tc1bqGx45ly-00023-00006798-00007094 number of plant species the western side Tc1bqGx45ly-00024-00007095-00007286 of the brushy foothills consists mostly Tc1bqGx45ly-00025-00007287-00007543 of bitterbrush and crow leaf mahogany as Tc1bqGx45ly-00026-00007544-00007847 elevation increases forests of ponderosa Tc1bqGx45ly-00027-00007848-00008030 pine white and red furs Tc1bqGx45ly-00028-00008031-00008225 incense cedar and Aspen give way to Tc1bqGx45ly-00029-00008226-00008411 lodgepole and Western white pines Tc1bqGx45ly-00030-00008412-00008714 sprinkle towards the summit some 43 Tc1bqGx45ly-00031-00008715-00009014 thousand four hundred acres 176 square Tc1bqGx45ly-00032-00009015-00009196 kilometres of the forest have been Tc1bqGx45ly-00033-00009197-00009428 identified as old growth with lodgepole Tc1bqGx45ly-00034-00009429-00009698 pine ponderosa pine white fir incense Tc1bqGx45ly-00035-00009699-00009874 cedar and red fir being common Tc1bqGx45ly-00036-00009875-00010453 constituents Tc1bqGx45ly-00037-00010454-00010953 topic history Tc1bqGx45ly-00038-00010954-00011235 Modoc National Forest was established as Tc1bqGx45ly-00039-00011236-00011489 the Modoc Forest Reserve on November 29 Tc1bqGx45ly-00040-00011490-00011841 1904 by the General Land Office it was Tc1bqGx45ly-00041-00011842-00011994 named for the Modoc people who Tc1bqGx45ly-00042-00011995-00012174 traditionally had their territory in Tc1bqGx45ly-00043-00012175-00012528 this area in 1905 federal forests were Tc1bqGx45ly-00044-00012529-00012696 transferred to the u.s. Forest Service Tc1bqGx45ly-00045-00012697-00012975 and on March 4th 1907 they became Tc1bqGx45ly-00046-00012976-00013386 national forests on July 1st 1908 Warner Tc1bqGx45ly-00047-00013387-00013584 Mountains National Forest was added to Tc1bqGx45ly-00048-00013585-00013869 Modoc the south Warner wilderness lies Tc1bqGx45ly-00049-00013869-00014429 within the forest Tc1bqGx45ly-00050-00014430-00015110 topic management forest headquarters are Tc1bqGx45ly-00051-00015111-00015377 located in Alturas California there are Tc1bqGx45ly-00052-00015378-00015616 local Ranger District offices located in Tc1bqGx45ly-00053-00015618-00016388 Aden all Torres Cedarville and tule Lake Tc1bqGx45ly-00054-00016389-00016924 topic see also Tc1bqGx45ly-00055-00016925-00017164 list of plants on the Modoc National Tc1bqGx45ly-00056-00017165-00017407 Forest TcH0ITM2tuc-00000-00000000-00000438 Oh everybody Nintendo vez singer here on TcH0ITM2tuc-00001-00000440-00000911 the ad was a misspelling but I miss em TcH0ITM2tuc-00002-00000911-00001199 by mistake and caps lock was on so to TcH0ITM2tuc-00003-00001200-00001739 remind that um so let's start I'd like I TcH0ITM2tuc-00004-00001739-00002087 said before we are going to officially TcH0ITM2tuc-00005-00002088-00002677 catch all Pokemon of the nolvadex to TcH0ITM2tuc-00006-00002678-00002897 complete your pokedex I've got it in my TcH0ITM2tuc-00007-00002898-00003379 Japanese all throughout so did the other TcH0ITM2tuc-00008-00003379-00003838 charm which is um shiny charm so I I've TcH0ITM2tuc-00009-00003839-00004061 already done it so I'm not going to be TcH0ITM2tuc-00010-00004061-00004385 doing on my American black tea version TcH0ITM2tuc-00011-00004386-00004526 just because they'll take too much time TcH0ITM2tuc-00012-00004527-00004781 and as you can see i just read the elite TcH0ITM2tuc-00013-00004782-00004963 for a challenge mode i changed it back TcH0ITM2tuc-00014-00004964-00005485 to normal like right now but anyway ah TcH0ITM2tuc-00015-00005486-00006079 ok and i will be using Oh be sorry oh TcH0ITM2tuc-00016-00006080-00006545 these Pokemon I'm not rehashing a new up TcH0ITM2tuc-00017-00006545-00006721 one of these because mostly Pokemon I've TcH0ITM2tuc-00018-00006722-00007012 already card Vilgax is pretty filled up TcH0ITM2tuc-00019-00007013-00007409 ok so let's open so with a full first TcH0ITM2tuc-00020-00007409-00007658 goal to 108 and second I was doing a TcH0ITM2tuc-00021-00007659-00008402 test run so no wonder it had I'm right TcH0ITM2tuc-00022-00008403-00008531 where I'm only going to be doing up to TcH0ITM2tuc-00023-00008532-00009008 50 and then we take a break so the first TcH0ITM2tuc-00024-00009009-00009569 big one on our list is a snivy I'll just TcH0ITM2tuc-00025-00009570-00009959 put him on uh I'll take you the exact TcH0ITM2tuc-00026-00009960-00010291 place where you can find this naívi it TcH0ITM2tuc-00027-00010292-00011078 it's a joke right over here so Oh jonker TcH0ITM2tuc-00028-00011079-00011306 want to talk to her up here and she TcH0ITM2tuc-00029-00011307-00011731 talks so much I remember not changing TcH0ITM2tuc-00030-00011732-00011995 Jack speed to fashion a pagar la Bianca TcH0ITM2tuc-00031-00011996-00012499 worst I've ever happened to me oh yeah TcH0ITM2tuc-00032-00012500-00012661 Western TcH0ITM2tuc-00033-00012662-00013090 so you create yourself snivy tepig TcH0ITM2tuc-00034-00013091-00013603 awesome or um Oshawott matter what you TcH0ITM2tuc-00035-00013604-00013843 do it by three versions because if you TcH0ITM2tuc-00036-00013844-00013999 want to catch all three year to buy TcH0ITM2tuc-00037-00014000-00014233 three versions thank God I picked TcH0ITM2tuc-00038-00014234-00014557 superior in my white to me am i white TcH0ITM2tuc-00039-00014558-00015196 and Oshawott and my white to be square I TcH0ITM2tuc-00040-00015197-00015499 was all set poor thing and in my black I TcH0ITM2tuc-00041-00015500-00015775 picked each epoch so I'd like to else TcH0ITM2tuc-00042-00015776-00016051 but to tempe but i love ways i can just TcH0ITM2tuc-00043-00016052-00016837 good ways can freakin awesome yeah it's TcH0ITM2tuc-00044-00016838-00017140 packed this we're going to fight someone TcH0ITM2tuc-00045-00017141-00017527 but the starters ever you have to do you TcH0ITM2tuc-00046-00017528-00017697 do out to buy three versions for that TcH0ITM2tuc-00047-00017698-00018085 yeah it's pretty sad let's both mad TcH0ITM2tuc-00048-00018086-00018322 scheme for money truthfully it's pretty TcH0ITM2tuc-00049-00018323-00018688 good scheme going up trapped there's my TcH0ITM2tuc-00050-00018689-00019045 star over here for one reason I'm by the TcH0ITM2tuc-00051-00019046-00019260 way Patrat do every live show you that TcH0ITM2tuc-00052-00019261-00019927 it if you look ghettofied Sherrod you TcH0ITM2tuc-00053-00019928-00020172 can find Patrat and on anywhere in route TcH0ITM2tuc-00054-00020173-00020769 19 okay so I've never ever had chicken TcH0ITM2tuc-00055-00020770-00021258 glossary I'll probably an odd Dino or a TcH0ITM2tuc-00056-00021259-00021721 flat see I don't even think you can TcH0ITM2tuc-00057-00021722-00022074 catch an odd no on this route that's TcH0ITM2tuc-00058-00022075-00022839 that's how dumb isn't gonna change soon TcH0ITM2tuc-00059-00022840-00023199 and she can cause you only get the track TcH0ITM2tuc-00060-00023200-00023743 even if that just bad really bad slope TcH0ITM2tuc-00061-00023744-00024433 oh my god sucks so many encounters ok so TcH0ITM2tuc-00062-00024434-00024865 there's Lily pop well proline why is it TcH0ITM2tuc-00063-00024866-00025145 Lily popped TcH0ITM2tuc-00064-00025146-00025664 okay so um these two are the first TcH0ITM2tuc-00065-00025664-00025952 normal pokemon catching the pokédex as TcH0ITM2tuc-00066-00025952-00026564 you can see it directly says tribe TcH0ITM2tuc-00067-00026564-00026879 member owain so i showed you both now TcH0ITM2tuc-00068-00026880-00027557 pit of a little bit harder to get but I TcH0ITM2tuc-00069-00027558-00027806 have sworn to myself this will take a TcH0ITM2tuc-00070-00027807-00028145 long time show all of you guys and I TcH0ITM2tuc-00071-00028145-00028349 don't have a book you want with surf so TcH0ITM2tuc-00072-00028350-00029000 that's sucks we may have to put it make TcH0ITM2tuc-00073-00029001-00029308 a stop at pc just collect my latios who TcH0ITM2tuc-00074-00029310-00029801 knows surf and that's going to be TcH0ITM2tuc-00075-00029802-00030514 awesome we cannot see my face he can go TcH0ITM2tuc-00076-00030516-00030920 pretty mad but don't write in the TcH0ITM2tuc-00077-00030920-00031613 comments so I don't think I left on the TcH0ITM2tuc-00078-00031614-00032030 eggs but I mean I sound so wrong I don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00079-00032031-00032198 think I left any program will be bread TcH0ITM2tuc-00080-00032199-00032474 now I think sixty percent of the time TcH0ITM2tuc-00081-00032475-00032648 you could encounter watch all right here TcH0ITM2tuc-00082-00032649-00033146 um and I believe that you're even in TcH0ITM2tuc-00083-00033147-00033344 Connor watch out just to continue on in TcH0ITM2tuc-00084-00033345-00033593 the game and they're pretty close to TcH0ITM2tuc-00085-00033594-00033887 each other Leopardi go to this is like TcH0ITM2tuc-00086-00033888-00034193 exit game thing so leave hajek find in TcH0ITM2tuc-00087-00034194-00034670 this essential area on route hi how to TcH0ITM2tuc-00088-00034671-00035042 the road route to so I wrote two and TcH0ITM2tuc-00089-00035043-00035356 three you could find a watch hold and TcH0ITM2tuc-00090-00035357-00035942 Lee apart now who's up next on I up a TcH0ITM2tuc-00091-00035943-00036437 trap um kiddo now pit of is a weird TcH0ITM2tuc-00092-00036438-00036773 thing to actually find just because of TcH0ITM2tuc-00093-00036774-00037112 its locality you don't find it in many TcH0ITM2tuc-00094-00037113-00037682 many places oh this up let's start with TcH0ITM2tuc-00095-00037683-00038042 the above no we're certain you all for TcH0ITM2tuc-00096-00038043-00038290 the tranquil so the shackle is the TcH0ITM2tuc-00097-00038291-00038465 closest one to me right now TcH0ITM2tuc-00098-00038466-00038776 it's so close that it's virtually TcH0ITM2tuc-00099-00038777-00039140 virtually right over here I've been TcH0ITM2tuc-00100-00039141-00039332 called tranquil thirty percent of time TcH0ITM2tuc-00101-00039333-00039773 and yeah I met Yama's ten percent of TcH0ITM2tuc-00102-00039774-00039982 time and makes the one hundred percent TcH0ITM2tuc-00103-00039983-00040430 system um then we go to an efficient now TcH0ITM2tuc-00104-00040431-00040745 this volume on I'll shape it up lashes TcH0ITM2tuc-00105-00040746-00041140 because it up is in a weird location I TcH0ITM2tuc-00106-00041141-00041519 believe you going cover it and two parts TcH0ITM2tuc-00107-00041520-00041957 of falsity wrapped so i'm not sure but TcH0ITM2tuc-00108-00041958-00042350 I'm pretty sure so now I'm just moving TcH0ITM2tuc-00109-00042351-00042683 around in random places now universum I TcH0ITM2tuc-00110-00042684-00042893 believe that you can only catch a known TcH0ITM2tuc-00111-00042894-00043103 effect you've always seen it just TcH0ITM2tuc-00112-00043104-00043391 because of you he has a new 2000 you TcH0ITM2tuc-00113-00043392-00043631 obviously have seen it but I believe TcH0ITM2tuc-00114-00043632-00043886 that you could catch a I've caught a new TcH0ITM2tuc-00115-00043887-00044165 owner pheasant here too so the way it TcH0ITM2tuc-00116-00044166-00044306 works is that after you beat the game TcH0ITM2tuc-00117-00044307-00044500 you don't need an outbreak to do this TcH0ITM2tuc-00118-00044501-00044813 when the pheasant will be wait let me TcH0ITM2tuc-00119-00044814-00045185 slap on a match battle it's good i don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00120-00045186-00045883 want to do it right now so c maxwell yes TcH0ITM2tuc-00121-00045884-00046376 now lavani I appreciate that would TcH0ITM2tuc-00122-00046377-00046651 resident lavanya like rly or something TcH0ITM2tuc-00123-00046652-00047126 so I'm Fisher that there in an eye on TcH0ITM2tuc-00124-00047127-00047672 ified any trainers stupid trainer yes TcH0ITM2tuc-00125-00047673-00048032 got away from you I see that patch of TcH0ITM2tuc-00126-00048033-00048320 grass but I don't want to go to so TcH0ITM2tuc-00127-00048321-00048623 that's why luned pretty much anywhere TcH0ITM2tuc-00128-00048624-00048872 but the best areas right here find a TcH0ITM2tuc-00129-00048873-00049160 couple of swallowing is there now my TcH0ITM2tuc-00130-00049161-00049460 first shiny was like right here in this TcH0ITM2tuc-00131-00049461-00049784 exact spot I remember Isaac that was on TcH0ITM2tuc-00132-00049785-00050006 the bike and I was pretty mad I could TcH0ITM2tuc-00133-00050007-00050336 miss of incoming trailers and I did not TcH0ITM2tuc-00134-00050337-00050696 I only had one repel yeah not even a TcH0ITM2tuc-00135-00050697-00051104 super repel repel rush of at maxvill TcH0ITM2tuc-00136-00051105-00051350 nevermind you can find in una pheasant TcH0ITM2tuc-00137-00051351-00051626 here it's already weird location but you TcH0ITM2tuc-00138-00051627-00051700 can buy TcH0ITM2tuc-00139-00051701-00052282 it there now um Peabody oh yes the bunny TcH0ITM2tuc-00140-00052283-00052660 is in an even weirder location I think TcH0ITM2tuc-00141-00052661-00052921 as you can find them in this spot after TcH0ITM2tuc-00142-00052922-00053089 you beat the game but if not one TcH0ITM2tuc-00143-00053090-00053212 absolute sure since I've never TcH0ITM2tuc-00144-00053213-00053590 encountered one means the upper yeah you TcH0ITM2tuc-00145-00053591-00053875 have to encounter Levon eburg as one but TcH0ITM2tuc-00146-00053876-00054088 I don't think you could catch him in the TcH0ITM2tuc-00147-00054089-00054342 game unless you get a swablu or swaddle TcH0ITM2tuc-00148-00054344-00054769 and evolve it because why I don't know TcH0ITM2tuc-00149-00054770-00055129 whether to make it that way now our next TcH0ITM2tuc-00150-00055129-00055454 location is ready to find yourself a TcH0ITM2tuc-00151-00055455-00056158 swaddle and a pit of a bit of fun pretty TcH0ITM2tuc-00152-00056159-00056602 easily only nine is in uh I'm innocent TcH0ITM2tuc-00153-00056603-00056809 okay let's go check out believe humble TcH0ITM2tuc-00154-00056810-00057040 serf just gonna need that for the end of TcH0ITM2tuc-00155-00057041-00057411 the video I realized two Pokemon I need TcH0ITM2tuc-00156-00057412-00057829 help us find it oh why do you guys TcH0ITM2tuc-00157-00057829-00058270 bother me so much with Mimi have program TcH0ITM2tuc-00158-00058271-00058900 with surf and but I have all sinned TcH0ITM2tuc-00159-00058901-00059491 album on shiny it was an issue mint I TcH0ITM2tuc-00160-00059491-00059979 want to get it was not very hard oh also TcH0ITM2tuc-00161-00059980-00060532 tired so let's just do this fast now one TcH0ITM2tuc-00162-00060533-00060867 of these two okay where's my videos it's TcH0ITM2tuc-00163-00060869-00061222 weird oh I know it is Oh gets those TcH0ITM2tuc-00164-00061223-00061791 three dumb the past him he's right over TcH0ITM2tuc-00165-00061791-00062335 yeah yeah he's not hm slave huh it was TcH0ITM2tuc-00166-00062336-00062641 waterfall here's to no dive but did I TcH0ITM2tuc-00167-00062641-00062839 give him something else now I don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00168-00062840-00063112 think any article right now Articuno is TcH0ITM2tuc-00169-00063113-00063544 not the 1i music fly so now keep let's TcH0ITM2tuc-00170-00063545-00063802 keep on going only time is in that's TcH0ITM2tuc-00171-00063803-00064075 fine um this would be a pretty long TcH0ITM2tuc-00172-00064076-00064341 video that damages I will not be doing TcH0ITM2tuc-00173-00064342-00064791 this video's weakly please no TcH0ITM2tuc-00174-00064792-00065251 I am NOT gonna be doing it I couple 5c TcH0ITM2tuc-00175-00065252-00065509 wallow in this specific area I don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00176-00065510-00065722 think you can find them anywhere else in TcH0ITM2tuc-00177-00065723-00066190 this area right I think yeah only on TcH0ITM2tuc-00178-00066191-00066442 this route you can find some bottles but TcH0ITM2tuc-00179-00066443-00066613 you should have seen it already some TcH0ITM2tuc-00180-00066614-00066888 traders have soup how do you not see us TcH0ITM2tuc-00181-00066889-00067257 a waddle trainers house he wants now pit TcH0ITM2tuc-00182-00067258-00067521 of you could find in this specific area TcH0ITM2tuc-00183-00067522-00068143 now for pokedex completion you should TcH0ITM2tuc-00184-00068144-00068307 all just an audit now but just in case TcH0ITM2tuc-00185-00068308-00068599 you didn't i'm skipping it a bit but i'd TcH0ITM2tuc-00186-00068600-00068968 know just find anyways it isn't even an TcH0ITM2tuc-00187-00068969-00069226 option you had to find out now by the TcH0ITM2tuc-00188-00069227-00069496 way to go there's always Jimmy training TcH0ITM2tuc-00189-00069497-00069637 without now that you know we can't TcH0ITM2tuc-00190-00069638-00069856 stumble upon in the grass but you're TcH0ITM2tuc-00191-00069857-00070015 never going to gas town fighting change TcH0ITM2tuc-00192-00070016-00070413 then why are you even playing pokemon if TcH0ITM2tuc-00193-00070414-00070785 you catch them all yeah that's kinda the TcH0ITM2tuc-00194-00070786-00071419 truth okay now some turn I do believe TcH0ITM2tuc-00195-00071420-00071719 that it's very close but first let me TcH0ITM2tuc-00196-00071720-00071959 show you a lil epub since I'm already TcH0ITM2tuc-00197-00071960-00072190 here really probably this is find here TcH0ITM2tuc-00198-00072191-00072501 anywhere on the rat she's very common TcH0ITM2tuc-00199-00072502-00072844 what's rare as a riolu I think he's ten TcH0ITM2tuc-00200-00072845-00073099 percent she's the rare some blue no TcH0ITM2tuc-00201-00073100-00073321 Dunsparce is five percent of the rarest TcH0ITM2tuc-00202-00073322-00073606 now some current you can find here in TcH0ITM2tuc-00203-00073607-00073930 this central area okay running into TcH0ITM2tuc-00204-00073931-00074185 another but I probably oh no another TcH0ITM2tuc-00205-00074186-00074769 unknown oh that's cool yes I'm innocent TcH0ITM2tuc-00206-00074770-00075001 flora I don't leave it you could get it TcH0ITM2tuc-00207-00075002-00075540 in the game see this is the Sunstone and TcH0ITM2tuc-00208-00075541-00075898 evolve the sudden turn of your delicious TcH0ITM2tuc-00209-00075899-00076044 by the way if you're shy off the game is TcH0ITM2tuc-00210-00076045-00076159 poke him all right here I already TcH0ITM2tuc-00211-00076160-00076644 collected it um so oh yeah just don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00212-00076645-00077013 mind okay so all of the entire line you TcH0ITM2tuc-00213-00077014-00077305 can find in one pretty good Rhea I TcH0ITM2tuc-00214-00077306-00077575 usually hunt there come back to strive TcH0ITM2tuc-00215-00077576-00077929 in city yay no I'm not happy just TcH0ITM2tuc-00216-00077930-00078157 because i have i am not there TcH0ITM2tuc-00217-00078158-00078346 very good and i'm doing this video for TcH0ITM2tuc-00218-00078347-00078751 you guys oh really this is Monday today TcH0ITM2tuc-00219-00078752-00079069 so I'll probably posted tomorrow it's TcH0ITM2tuc-00220-00079070-00079282 going to take so long this gonna be like TcH0ITM2tuc-00221-00079283-00079567 a 20 minute video so you know YouTube TcH0ITM2tuc-00222-00079568-00079795 they want to mess with you now going to TcH0ITM2tuc-00223-00079796-00079939 use them all of my master calls it to TcH0ITM2tuc-00224-00079940-00080266 buy some more later I don't know if TcH0ITM2tuc-00225-00080267-00080593 elephant pokemon or not so good areas TcH0ITM2tuc-00226-00080594-00080842 right here you could get some roads i'm TcH0ITM2tuc-00227-00080843-00081088 pretty sure that you can if you can't TcH0ITM2tuc-00228-00081089-00081715 then um i believe if you just go oh I'm TcH0ITM2tuc-00229-00081716-00082051 pretty sure it's over here it means you TcH0ITM2tuc-00230-00082052-00082551 get oh stop banana Rodeo Drive you um TcH0ITM2tuc-00231-00082552-00082828 and when I meant by her ear not being TcH0ITM2tuc-00232-00082829-00083008 over here man in this specific grass TcH0ITM2tuc-00233-00083009-00083497 area okay so you can find both of them TcH0ITM2tuc-00234-00083498-00083812 there but I but someone you'll need an TcH0ITM2tuc-00235-00083813-00084235 com m and rustling grass now um a lot of TcH0ITM2tuc-00236-00084236-00084715 these booked one are in falsity ranch so TcH0ITM2tuc-00237-00084716-00085075 many okay so i've already shown you all TcH0ITM2tuc-00238-00085076-00085549 they know only now Dunsparce um I'll go TcH0ITM2tuc-00239-00085550-00086059 show you if I can now Dunsparce the TcH0ITM2tuc-00240-00086060-00086308 girls upon find this glossy ranch but TcH0ITM2tuc-00241-00086309-00086572 essentially you'd be like what if I'd TcH0ITM2tuc-00242-00086573-00086707 done sports they're just so awesome TcH0ITM2tuc-00243-00086708-00086956 because done source can learn some TcH0ITM2tuc-00244-00086957-00087217 pretty good moves um the thing is that TcH0ITM2tuc-00245-00087218-00087463 uh when I said I didn't even know done TcH0ITM2tuc-00246-00087464-00087700 squash was there I just ran into him I TcH0ITM2tuc-00247-00087701-00088000 mistake and then I ended up training him TcH0ITM2tuc-00248-00088001-00088324 with my friends for a riolu which was TcH0ITM2tuc-00249-00088325-00088675 the shiny my friend is not very smart TcH0ITM2tuc-00250-00088676-00089094 and that's how i got my love 100 Lucario TcH0ITM2tuc-00251-00089095-00089782 yeah he's my buddy yeah but truthfully TcH0ITM2tuc-00252-00089783-00090052 make a ball is my favorite on my team he TcH0ITM2tuc-00253-00090053-00090355 done so much anyway so um I supposed to TcH0ITM2tuc-00254-00090356-00090526 find the shaking blast odd notify oh TcH0ITM2tuc-00255-00090527-00090924 and grasp dilla TcH0ITM2tuc-00256-00090925-00091404 then you could find mareep mareep is TcH0ITM2tuc-00257-00091405-00091610 five percent I believe or ten percent TcH0ITM2tuc-00258-00091611-00092013 it's pretty rare but if you want to you TcH0ITM2tuc-00259-00092014-00092697 can find it um it's as you wear as the TcH0ITM2tuc-00260-00092698-00092943 car yet as value the widened what is a TcH0ITM2tuc-00261-00092944-00093144 look vicario is here than you just beat TcH0ITM2tuc-00262-00093145-00093618 the game you should be the game sorry it TcH0ITM2tuc-00263-00093619-00093828 knows a lot of in immersive just beat TcH0ITM2tuc-00264-00093829-00094098 the game um right Lou you can find over TcH0ITM2tuc-00265-00094099-00094344 here Marie virtually see them right TcH0ITM2tuc-00266-00094345-00094587 there can't catch them but you could see TcH0ITM2tuc-00267-00094588-00095055 them pretty close now flaaffy I do TcH0ITM2tuc-00268-00095056-00095370 believe I don't remember where it to go TcH0ITM2tuc-00269-00095371-00095592 to catch him that's the only problem I TcH0ITM2tuc-00270-00095593-00095946 don't remember um regularly cannot get TcH0ITM2tuc-00271-00095947-00096150 any shortcuts you have to actually make TcH0ITM2tuc-00272-00096151-00096864 him evolve Merrill oh oh yeah I think I TcH0ITM2tuc-00273-00096865-00097355 know where there was oh I'll show you TcH0ITM2tuc-00274-00097356-00097818 and I forgot where Zoo marilla's sorry TcH0ITM2tuc-00275-00097819-00098172 guys but gol dach is in another area 2 TcH0ITM2tuc-00276-00098173-00098472 i'll show you a little bit with floppy TcH0ITM2tuc-00277-00098473-00098817 it's actually pretty good so that bears TcH0ITM2tuc-00278-00098818-00098957 no don't mean that you can get short TcH0ITM2tuc-00279-00098958-00099180 cuts without barrows let me get cash TcH0ITM2tuc-00280-00099181-00099435 coffee somewhere now i will show you how TcH0ITM2tuc-00281-00099436-00099717 to get yourself a mayoral and philosophy TcH0ITM2tuc-00282-00099718-00100007 rationally hey you only get a zoom real TcH0ITM2tuc-00283-00100008-00100317 and blossom as is also true but once you TcH0ITM2tuc-00284-00100318-00100566 get surf and you're like wait once you TcH0ITM2tuc-00285-00100567-00100737 get served you would not even want to TcH0ITM2tuc-00286-00100738-00100965 come back here because these people are TcH0ITM2tuc-00287-00100966-00101295 so under level which is true I'm not TcH0ITM2tuc-00288-00101296-00101570 saying this early guys are wrong but TcH0ITM2tuc-00289-00101571-00101807 there's a perfect game they're all right TcH0ITM2tuc-00290-00101808-00102102 here pretty low-level Merrill but if you TcH0ITM2tuc-00291-00102103-00102297 want to catch them I'm pretty sure it's TcH0ITM2tuc-00292-00102298-00102605 a guy so it's pretty good I'm not caught TcH0ITM2tuc-00293-00102606-00102990 him if I'm not find catch him I know why TcH0ITM2tuc-00294-00102991-00103224 but mailed he get you in choked up he TcH0ITM2tuc-00295-00103225-00103566 like three still just kind of things TcH0ITM2tuc-00296-00103567-00103878 aren't never appealed to me I don't like TcH0ITM2tuc-00297-00103879-00104121 them so there's a Hindi drat TcH0ITM2tuc-00298-00104122-00104327 Roger I don't i have not tampered with TcH0ITM2tuc-00299-00104328-00104625 this there should be Meryl right over TcH0ITM2tuc-00300-00104626-00105144 here I'm blocking it so right there if TcH0ITM2tuc-00301-00105145-00105348 you can you first you'll always get a TcH0ITM2tuc-00302-00105349-00105618 marrow then we'll get toki ball or TcH0ITM2tuc-00303-00105619-00105859 something very rapidly gets generated TcH0ITM2tuc-00304-00105860-00106143 but I think the first time always will TcH0ITM2tuc-00305-00106144-00106403 get a Meryl azumarill I believe that you TcH0ITM2tuc-00306-00106404-00106689 could get underneath a bridge I'm not TcH0ITM2tuc-00307-00106690-00106877 sure which bridge I know it's on road TcH0ITM2tuc-00308-00106878-00107189 bridge now I suck at remembering things TcH0ITM2tuc-00309-00107190-00107739 um yeah I'm Golduck I actually remember TcH0ITM2tuc-00310-00107740-00108069 this get you me right I don't lose TcH0ITM2tuc-00311-00108070-00108614 subscribers um where is it it's in TcH0ITM2tuc-00312-00108615-00108927 Honolulu City it's pretty far from our TcH0ITM2tuc-00313-00108928-00109361 desk Oh me azuma wasn't hum oh oh yeah TcH0ITM2tuc-00314-00109363-00109718 now both drummer in the same area TcH0ITM2tuc-00315-00109719-00109977 outside at you girls 1 Fosse ranch TcH0ITM2tuc-00316-00109978-00110721 that's weird but you can oh my god are TcH0ITM2tuc-00317-00110722-00111035 you kidding me with what why do you have TcH0ITM2tuc-00318-00111036-00111898 a guy next to you that's weird TcH0ITM2tuc-00319-00111899-00112225 no offense to anyone naughty woman says TcH0ITM2tuc-00320-00112226-00112597 because it's kind of fancy man I look TcH0ITM2tuc-00321-00112598-00113271 like nine that way Irish mean the guy um TcH0ITM2tuc-00322-00113272-00113533 veteran says he always walks alone TcH0ITM2tuc-00323-00113533-00113863 they'll never have anyone by his side no TcH0ITM2tuc-00324-00113864-00114202 people will be inside and many other guy TcH0ITM2tuc-00325-00114203-00114570 was taking photos with so that's kind of TcH0ITM2tuc-00326-00114571-00114834 am i running into odd nose everywhere TcH0ITM2tuc-00327-00114835-00115116 are you kidding me know before you not TcH0ITM2tuc-00328-00115117-00115288 as level 60 then that would be pretty TcH0ITM2tuc-00329-00115289-00115736 good but I love 100 so I don't need you TcH0ITM2tuc-00330-00115738-00116014 if it didn't let me always pound it to TcH0ITM2tuc-00331-00116015-00116389 death with dark pulse or I guess don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00332-00116390-00116773 have to do better or worse fear but you TcH0ITM2tuc-00333-00116774-00116974 can find yourself a goal duck or a TcH0ITM2tuc-00334-00116975-00117411 zoomare oh oh wait one second what's TcH0ITM2tuc-00335-00117413-00118086 name is route route 22 yeah so this is TcH0ITM2tuc-00336-00118088-00118399 gonna take quite a while but I am ready TcH0ITM2tuc-00337-00118400-00118608 to do this because you guys are worth it TcH0ITM2tuc-00338-00118608-00118978 now well desireless because I'll just TcH0ITM2tuc-00339-00118979-00119360 fly there I think the worst is gone oh TcH0ITM2tuc-00340-00119361-00119857 so tired still I'm tired so are they TcH0ITM2tuc-00341-00119858-00120141 were in the 30s which is good really TcH0ITM2tuc-00342-00120142-00120850 good okay yes we're almost done okay TcH0ITM2tuc-00343-00120851-00121000 good we're done for the day probably TcH0ITM2tuc-00344-00121001-00121329 pretty soon about 20 minutes that's TcH0ITM2tuc-00345-00121330-00121606 pretty much how long is gonna be 20 TcH0ITM2tuc-00346-00121607-00121806 minutes and we're gonna fly ourselves TcH0ITM2tuc-00347-00121807-00122107 macaroon city is because the maximals TcH0ITM2tuc-00348-00122108-00122610 mom we have to get our the monkeys how TcH0ITM2tuc-00349-00122611-00123094 fun is that no one likes them they're TcH0ITM2tuc-00350-00123095-00123343 just annoying they can they can counter TcH0ITM2tuc-00351-00123344-00123561 every starter yet they are not starters TcH0ITM2tuc-00352-00123563-00124381 they're posers pelzer so you get the TcH0ITM2tuc-00353-00124382-00124624 monkeys ten percent of the time in the TcH0ITM2tuc-00354-00124625-00124815 grass I know it's an percentage because TcH0ITM2tuc-00355-00124816-00125238 um I think I found 10 TcH0ITM2tuc-00356-00125239-00125542 shrieking grass when I was training am I TcH0ITM2tuc-00357-00125543-00125806 feel this is to complete my pokedex in TcH0ITM2tuc-00358-00125807-00126058 your wall ring I don't know why I could TcH0ITM2tuc-00359-00126058-00126307 not look at that but what happened is TcH0ITM2tuc-00360-00126308-00126565 out of tension glasses you know one TcH0ITM2tuc-00361-00126566-00127083 pants age ok you can evolve your evening TcH0ITM2tuc-00362-00127084-00127321 to leafeon by that stone I'll get to TcH0ITM2tuc-00363-00127322-00127858 that later Oh where's all right so this TcH0ITM2tuc-00364-00127858-00128238 it's pretty annoying how to get there TcH0ITM2tuc-00365-00128239-00128851 but there's no it isn't annoying um you TcH0ITM2tuc-00366-00128852-00129022 can find any of them shaking in the TcH0ITM2tuc-00367-00129023-00129360 grass I believe in this area on the TcH0ITM2tuc-00368-00129361-00129541 outer side I don't think about it i TcH0ITM2tuc-00369-00129542-00129786 think they are seismitoad ten percent TcH0ITM2tuc-00370-00129788-00130054 time and then you give all done with TcH0ITM2tuc-00371-00130055-00130453 stars like the leaf stone by stone and TcH0ITM2tuc-00372-00130454-00130804 the water stone so yeah so just do that TcH0ITM2tuc-00373-00130805-00131061 is it cuz I'm pretty sure that you could TcH0ITM2tuc-00374-00131063-00131389 find it somewhere else but it isn't TcH0ITM2tuc-00375-00131390-00131914 worth it ok sorry well I'll just so many TcH0ITM2tuc-00376-00131915-00132582 shuttles and seeing him listen yeah so TcH0ITM2tuc-00377-00132583-00132820 20 minutes in i think it could finish TcH0ITM2tuc-00378-00132821-00133204 this video okay so um how'd you told you TcH0ITM2tuc-00379-00133205-00133552 about the elemental monkeys ok Venna TcH0ITM2tuc-00380-00133553-00133771 peed but first let me tell you about TcH0ITM2tuc-00381-00133772-00134026 will and scholar you can find boiler TcH0ITM2tuc-00382-00134027-00134530 peed in the arm it's virtually there all TcH0ITM2tuc-00383-00134531-00134812 the time in pinwheel force and sculpt is TcH0ITM2tuc-00384-00134813-00135058 in the shaking grass i think twenty TcH0ITM2tuc-00385-00135059-00135487 percent of the time uh do either yes TcH0ITM2tuc-00386-00135488-00135847 help you or i'd know most of time it's TcH0ITM2tuc-00387-00135848-00136363 very real really you'll get a monkey you TcH0ITM2tuc-00388-00136364-00136669 could define the hashimoto or whatever TcH0ITM2tuc-00389-00136670-00136906 the name is yeah and then he just TcH0ITM2tuc-00390-00136907-00137113 completed you know i'm just going to TcH0ITM2tuc-00391-00137114-00137296 take a shortcut i am getting sick of one TcH0ITM2tuc-00392-00137297-00137608 philosophy ranch all right i'm gonna go TcH0ITM2tuc-00393-00137609-00137980 to vert aback city is gonna think oh my TcH0ITM2tuc-00394-00137981-00138697 ends there yeah so what more to go well TcH0ITM2tuc-00395-00138698-00138880 a lot not a lot more but a lot more TcH0ITM2tuc-00396-00138881-00139339 travel oh so many mouths surprised me by TcH0ITM2tuc-00397-00139340-00139738 more blue outbreak at route 9 don't care TcH0ITM2tuc-00398-00139739-00139957 i already have through tonight oh c'mon TcH0ITM2tuc-00399-00139958-00140449 i think it was a not too ok so um you TcH0ITM2tuc-00400-00140450-00140848 can catch of bella p over here it won't TcH0ITM2tuc-00401-00140849-00141088 take too long I by the way actually do TcH0ITM2tuc-00402-00141089-00141361 have to see is because in Roxy's gym so TcH0ITM2tuc-00403-00141362-00141730 catch it there sorry as if this video is TcH0ITM2tuc-00404-00141731-00142021 kind of lame but I don't care just go so TcH0ITM2tuc-00405-00142022-00142408 tired now i'm so tired i have gives us TcH0ITM2tuc-00406-00142409-00142848 just for the subscribers else do this TcH0ITM2tuc-00407-00142849-00143560 the final 50 yard why it's all i can say TcH0ITM2tuc-00408-00143561-00144448 why TcH0ITM2tuc-00409-00144449-00144751 you can get yourselves a Magnemite and TcH0ITM2tuc-00410-00144752-00145131 easing I mean now is it coughing right TcH0ITM2tuc-00411-00145132-00145482 here now you guys don't really want that TcH0ITM2tuc-00412-00145483-00145889 is if you guys want to ever when they TcH0ITM2tuc-00413-00145890-00146186 evolve you want to magnet on a magnezone TcH0ITM2tuc-00414-00146187-00146583 and wheeze and a wheezing so I'm gonna TcH0ITM2tuc-00415-00146584-00146852 give you that that's wrong we'll have to TcH0ITM2tuc-00416-00146853-00147245 fly us there though it's the closest TcH0ITM2tuc-00417-00147246-00147440 thing we could get there like new Verma TcH0ITM2tuc-00418-00147441-00147740 town and why don't I haven't you seen TcH0ITM2tuc-00419-00147741-00148079 these yet you should see these already TcH0ITM2tuc-00420-00148080-00148569 it's not even me you should have ok so a TcH0ITM2tuc-00421-00148570-00148743 new rumor town you have to go on a TcH0ITM2tuc-00422-00148744-00149264 bicycle I'm just one riding now i'm glad TcH0ITM2tuc-00423-00149265-00149699 i have so many mash spells yes see so TcH0ITM2tuc-00424-00149700-00150254 nice now myish up slave will take us TcH0ITM2tuc-00425-00150255-00150532 there now I know that could be milotic TcH0ITM2tuc-00426-00150533-00150875 but I already have my leg so I don't TcH0ITM2tuc-00427-00150876-00151679 need that anymore ok so we're almost TcH0ITM2tuc-00428-00151680-00151973 done with the first 50 which is good TcH0ITM2tuc-00429-00151974-00152345 always five more episodes my agonies I TcH0ITM2tuc-00430-00152346-00152795 show you all pokedex completion but it's TcH0ITM2tuc-00431-00152796-00153168 kind of fun means yeah now there is no TcH0ITM2tuc-00432-00153169-00153338 I'm using a Mac spells that i want to TcH0ITM2tuc-00433-00153339-00153695 show you as any Pokemon that is not TcH0ITM2tuc-00434-00153696-00153904 meant to be shown on this episode oh TcH0ITM2tuc-00435-00153905-00154274 yeah pushes me back I haven't been here TcH0ITM2tuc-00436-00154275-00154598 in a while I've I've got to fight polar TcH0ITM2tuc-00437-00154599-00154916 list all the time but I haven't been in TcH0ITM2tuc-00438-00154917-00155308 quite a while though oh by the way I TcH0ITM2tuc-00439-00155309-00155722 would ever walked through um well white TcH0ITM2tuc-00440-00155723-00156120 butt white too but in challenge mode so TcH0ITM2tuc-00441-00156121-00156449 it should be interesting we losing to TcH0ITM2tuc-00442-00156450-00156773 sharing more than 82 million times it TcH0ITM2tuc-00443-00156774-00156965 should be funny fulfilling TcH0ITM2tuc-00444-00156966-00157415 um so we're almost yes i'll probably be TcH0ITM2tuc-00445-00157416-00157796 the last match ball till we get there so TcH0ITM2tuc-00446-00157797-00158243 many master spells wasted and confine TcH0ITM2tuc-00447-00158244-00158630 crash awake right here the actual weird TcH0ITM2tuc-00448-00158631-00158951 is normal and then if I'm Emma Stone TcH0ITM2tuc-00449-00158952-00159089 right here if you haven't already I'm TcH0ITM2tuc-00450-00159090-00159389 not going to change house I was in there TcH0ITM2tuc-00451-00159390-00159557 for like three hours I did not know what TcH0ITM2tuc-00452-00159558-00159872 to do and that song finally hit me like TcH0ITM2tuc-00453-00159873-00160259 lavender town um the Casilla tower did TcH0ITM2tuc-00454-00160260-00160556 not really affect me but the lavender TcH0ITM2tuc-00455-00160557-00161053 town theme song really did it was weird TcH0ITM2tuc-00456-00161054-00161423 do do do I even forgot to turn I've TcH0ITM2tuc-00457-00161424-00161636 never played Baldwin read and go back to TcH0ITM2tuc-00458-00161637-00161861 Lavender Town my could get yourself a TcH0ITM2tuc-00459-00161862-00162239 Magneton and a wheezing right here this TcH0ITM2tuc-00460-00162240-00162518 area and in shaking grass you can either TcH0ITM2tuc-00461-00162519-00162956 get a pug you on that it's also very TcH0ITM2tuc-00462-00162957-00163361 close to Magneton but evolved from a TcH0ITM2tuc-00463-00163362-00163571 black and white polka one muckin say the TcH0ITM2tuc-00464-00163572-00163751 name I now just give it a moment give TcH0ITM2tuc-00465-00163752-00163937 our spoilers you should have already TcH0ITM2tuc-00466-00163938-00164189 know what it is let's shake you guys you TcH0ITM2tuc-00467-00164190-00164357 can get yourself I don't even care TcH0ITM2tuc-00468-00164358-00164696 anymore plane flying but um that's fifty TcH0ITM2tuc-00469-00164697-00165034 percent of the well 50 like 40 times TcH0ITM2tuc-00470-00165035-00165491 pitch silicon clean and then ten percent TcH0ITM2tuc-00471-00165492-00165650 of the time it gets herself a magazine TcH0ITM2tuc-00472-00165651-00166094 and chetan grass and like six like fifty TcH0ITM2tuc-00473-00166095-00166223 percent of the time they'll get yourself TcH0ITM2tuc-00474-00166224-00166604 an odd you know so that's watching that TcH0ITM2tuc-00475-00166605-00167015 was 30 minutes long and I was only put TcH0ITM2tuc-00476-00167016-00167630 one did for me right anyway so stop at TcH0ITM2tuc-00477-00167631-00168164 magnet on my edits and as you can see TcH0ITM2tuc-00478-00168165-00168593 you could see the area you guys to see TcH0ITM2tuc-00479-00168594-00168788 it's you could it could only be found TcH0ITM2tuc-00480-00168789-00169328 here Magneton only we found there I know TcH0ITM2tuc-00481-00169329-00169634 it can be found there and we think you TcH0ITM2tuc-00482-00169635-00169844 can see it it can only be found there so TcH0ITM2tuc-00483-00169845-00170024 I'm not making this up TcH0ITM2tuc-00484-00170025-00170334 it's actually true it can only be found TcH0ITM2tuc-00485-00170335-00170790 in a peachy lab Lucille Ball bit so TcH0ITM2tuc-00486-00170791-00171276 thanks for watching guys um can export TcH0ITM2tuc-00487-00171277-00171780 will be up later like never yeah see you TcH0ITM2tuc-00488-00171781-00172125 guys I will be giving my right to the TcH0ITM2tuc-00489-00172126-00172329 challenge key and then we will be on TcH0ITM2tuc-00490-00172330-00172677 their way so thank you for everyone who TcH0ITM2tuc-00491-00172678-00172902 actually kept on watching this but TcH0ITM2tuc-00492-00172903-00173073 doesn't matter long video I know I would TcH0ITM2tuc-00493-00173074-00173475 have tuned out yeah so thanks for TcH0ITM2tuc-00494-00173476-00173631 watching please subscribe read koukla my TcH0ITM2tuc-00495-00173632-00173928 best light see you later Nintendo vs TcH0ITM2tuc-00496-00173929-00174177 agus signing out oh I'm by the way TcH0ITM2tuc-00497-00174178-00174402 probably in two weeks I messed that up TcH0ITM2tuc-00498-00174403-00174648 tonight Nintendo or Sega signing out TcH0ITM2tuc-00499-00174649-00174876 peace TflyLSG6tAg-00000-00000068-00000434 Galilee Hebrew htl transliteration TflyLSG6tAg-00001-00000434-00000778 hoggle el Arabic al jold translate all TflyLSG6tAg-00002-00000779-00001139 Jalil is a region in northern Israel TflyLSG6tAg-00003-00001140-00001466 the term Galilee traditionally refers to TflyLSG6tAg-00004-00001467-00001766 the mountainous part divided into Upper TflyLSG6tAg-00005-00001767-00002141 Galilee hebrew lil lion Galil Elyon and TflyLSG6tAg-00006-00002142-00002465 lower Galilee Hebrew lil tongue Galil TflyLSG6tAg-00007-00002466-00002858 Totten in the modern common usage TflyLSG6tAg-00008-00002859-00003173 Galilee refers to all of the area that TflyLSG6tAg-00009-00003174-00003438 is beyond Mount Carmel to the Northeast TflyLSG6tAg-00010-00003439-00003728 extending from Dan to the north at the TflyLSG6tAg-00011-00003729-00004019 base of Mount Hermon along Mount Lebanon TflyLSG6tAg-00012-00004020-00004286 to the ridges of Mount Carmel and Mount TflyLSG6tAg-00013-00004287-00004586 Gilboa north of Jenin to the south and TflyLSG6tAg-00014-00004587-00004820 from the Jordan Rift Valley to the east TflyLSG6tAg-00015-00004821-00005081 across the plains of the Jezreel Valley TflyLSG6tAg-00016-00005082-00005320 and acre to the shores of the TflyLSG6tAg-00017-00005321-00005618 Mediterranean Sea and the coastal plain TflyLSG6tAg-00018-00005619-00005867 in the West including Beth Sheen's TflyLSG6tAg-00019-00005868-00006209 Valley Sea of Galilee Valley and Hula TflyLSG6tAg-00020-00006210-00006425 Valley although it usually does not TflyLSG6tAg-00021-00006426-00006905 include - immediate northern suburbs by TflyLSG6tAg-00022-00006906-00007184 this definition it overlaps with much of TflyLSG6tAg-00023-00007184-00007459 the administrative northern district of TflyLSG6tAg-00024-00007461-00007691 the country which also includes the TflyLSG6tAg-00025-00007692-00007909 Golan Heights and part of Menashe TflyLSG6tAg-00026-00007911-00008339 Heights but not curiata beyond Western TflyLSG6tAg-00027-00008340-00008717 Galilee Hebrew glimmer beagle ilmar avi TflyLSG6tAg-00028-00008718-00008951 is a common term referring to the TflyLSG6tAg-00029-00008952-00009221 western part of the Upper Galilee and TflyLSG6tAg-00030-00009222-00009467 its Shore and usually also the TflyLSG6tAg-00031-00009468-00009706 northwestern part of the lower Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00032-00009707-00009977 mostly overlapping with acre sub TflyLSG6tAg-00033-00009978-00010394 district Galilee Panhandle as a common TflyLSG6tAg-00034-00010395-00010781 term referring to the Panhandle in the TflyLSG6tAg-00035-00010782-00011033 east that extends to the north where TflyLSG6tAg-00036-00011034-00011345 Lebanon is to the west and includes Hula TflyLSG6tAg-00037-00011346-00011635 Valley in Ramat Naftali mountains of the TflyLSG6tAg-00038-00011636-00012041 Upper Galilee historically the part of TflyLSG6tAg-00039-00012042-00012289 southern Lebanon south of the east-west TflyLSG6tAg-00040-00012290-00012595 section of the Litani River also TflyLSG6tAg-00041-00012596-00012854 belonged to the region of Galilee but TflyLSG6tAg-00042-00012855-00013102 the present article mainly deals with TflyLSG6tAg-00043-00013103-00013363 the Israeli part of the region TflyLSG6tAg-00044-00013365-00013838 you TflyLSG6tAg-00045-00013840-00014425 topic etymology TflyLSG6tAg-00046-00014426-00014736 the region's Israelite name as from the TflyLSG6tAg-00047-00014737-00015036 Hebrew root Galil an ultimately unique TflyLSG6tAg-00048-00015037-00015563 word for district and usually cylinder TflyLSG6tAg-00049-00015565-00015982 the Hebrew form used in Isaiah chapter 8 TflyLSG6tAg-00050-00015983-00016405 verse 23 or 9 to 1 in different biblical TflyLSG6tAg-00051-00016406-00016768 versions is in the construct state G lil TflyLSG6tAg-00052-00016769-00017106 hag William meaning Galilee of the TflyLSG6tAg-00053-00017107-00017544 nations ie the part of Galilee inhabited TflyLSG6tAg-00054-00017545-00017797 by Gentiles at the time that the book TflyLSG6tAg-00055-00017798-00018211 was written the region in turn gave rise TflyLSG6tAg-00056-00018212-00018483 to the English name for the Sea of TflyLSG6tAg-00057-00018484-00018853 Galilee referred to as such in many TflyLSG6tAg-00058-00018854-00019144 languages including ancient Arabic in TflyLSG6tAg-00059-00019145-00019477 the Hebrew language the lake is referred TflyLSG6tAg-00060-00019478-00019803 to as Kinneret numbers chapter 34 verse TflyLSG6tAg-00061-00019804-00020297 11 etc from Hebrew keen or harp TflyLSG6tAg-00062-00020298-00020565 describing its shape lake of Gennesaret TflyLSG6tAg-00063-00020566-00021015 Luke chapter 5 verse 1 etc from Guinness TflyLSG6tAg-00064-00021016-00021511 or Hebrew GE Valley and either netzer TflyLSG6tAg-00065-00021512-00022177 branch or nets or to guard to watch the TflyLSG6tAg-00066-00022178-00022408 name which may have been a reference to TflyLSG6tAg-00067-00022409-00022714 nazareth town alternatively renamed the TflyLSG6tAg-00068-00022715-00023062 sea of Tiberias John chapter 6 verse 1 TflyLSG6tAg-00069-00023063-00023430 etc from the town of Tiberias at its TflyLSG6tAg-00070-00023431-00023700 southwestern end named after the Greek TflyLSG6tAg-00071-00023701-00024030 Tiberias following the 1st century CE II TflyLSG6tAg-00072-00024031-00024421 Roman emperors greek-derived name these TflyLSG6tAg-00073-00024422-00024690 are the three names used in originally TflyLSG6tAg-00074-00024691-00024949 internal Jewish authored literature TflyLSG6tAg-00075-00024950-00025262 rather than the Sea of Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00076-00025263-00025756 however Jews did use the Galilee to TflyLSG6tAg-00077-00025757-00026011 refer to the whole region aramaic TflyLSG6tAg-00078-00026012-00026761 h.glenn li including its lake TflyLSG6tAg-00079-00026762-00027352 topic geography TflyLSG6tAg-00080-00027352-00027667 most of Galilee consists of rocky TflyLSG6tAg-00081-00027668-00027985 terrain at heights of between 500 and TflyLSG6tAg-00082-00027986-00028441 700 meters several high mountains are in TflyLSG6tAg-00083-00028442-00028693 the region including Mount Tabor and TflyLSG6tAg-00084-00028694-00028939 Mount Marin which have relatively low TflyLSG6tAg-00085-00028939-00029277 temperatures and high rainfall as a TflyLSG6tAg-00086-00029279-00029587 result of this climate flora and fauna TflyLSG6tAg-00087-00029588-00029851 thrive in the region while many birds TflyLSG6tAg-00088-00029852-00030151 annually migrate from colder climates to TflyLSG6tAg-00089-00030152-00030418 Africa and back through the hula Jordan TflyLSG6tAg-00090-00030419-00030823 corridor the streams and waterfalls the TflyLSG6tAg-00091-00030824-00031095 latter mainly in Upper Galilee along TflyLSG6tAg-00092-00031097-00031320 with vast fields of greenery and TflyLSG6tAg-00093-00031322-00031642 colorful wildflowers as well as numerous TflyLSG6tAg-00094-00031643-00031914 towns of biblical importance make the TflyLSG6tAg-00095-00031916-00032307 region a popular tourist destination TflyLSG6tAg-00096-00032308-00032664 due to its high rainfall 900 millimeters TflyLSG6tAg-00097-00032664-00033293 35 in - 1200 millimeters 47 in mild TflyLSG6tAg-00098-00033294-00033558 temperatures and high mountains mount TflyLSG6tAg-00099-00033559-00034071 meirin's elevation as 1000 to 1200 8 TflyLSG6tAg-00100-00034072-00034398 meters the Upper Galilee region contains TflyLSG6tAg-00101-00034399-00034730 some distinctive flora and fauna prickly TflyLSG6tAg-00102-00034731-00035082 juniper juniperus Aqsa cedrus Lebanese TflyLSG6tAg-00103-00035083-00035418 cedar cedrus Lebon II which grows in a TflyLSG6tAg-00104-00035419-00035727 small grove on Mount Marin cyclamens TflyLSG6tAg-00105-00035728-00036048 paeonia sand rhododendron Ponte cam TflyLSG6tAg-00106-00036049-00036813 which sometimes appears on Marin TflyLSG6tAg-00107-00036814-00037354 topic history TflyLSG6tAg-00108-00037355-00037707 you TflyLSG6tAg-00109-00037708-00038285 topic ancient times TflyLSG6tAg-00110-00038286-00038607 according to the Bible Galilee was named TflyLSG6tAg-00111-00038608-00038877 by the Israelites and was the tribal TflyLSG6tAg-00112-00038878-00039156 region of naphthalene Dan at times TflyLSG6tAg-00113-00039157-00039487 overlapping the tribe of Asher sland TflyLSG6tAg-00114-00039488-00039819 however Dan was dispersed among the TflyLSG6tAg-00115-00039820-00040092 whole people rather than isolated to the TflyLSG6tAg-00116-00040093-00040386 lands of Dan as the tribe of Dan was the TflyLSG6tAg-00117-00040387-00040698 hereditary local law enforcement and TflyLSG6tAg-00118-00040699-00040985 judiciary for the whole nation TflyLSG6tAg-00119-00040986-00041319 normally Galilee is just referred to as TflyLSG6tAg-00120-00041320-00041754 Naphtali chapter nine of first king TflyLSG6tAg-00121-00041755-00042012 states that solomon rewarded his TflyLSG6tAg-00122-00042013-00042321 Phoenician Ally King Hiram the first of TflyLSG6tAg-00123-00042322-00042606 Sidon with twenty cities in the land of TflyLSG6tAg-00124-00042607-00042783 Galilee which would then have been TflyLSG6tAg-00125-00042784-00043053 either settled by foreigners during and TflyLSG6tAg-00126-00043054-00043323 after the reign of Hiram or by those who TflyLSG6tAg-00127-00043324-00043557 had been forcibly deported there by TflyLSG6tAg-00128-00043558-00043901 later conquerors such as the Assyrians TflyLSG6tAg-00129-00043902-00044253 Hiram to reciprocate previous gifts TflyLSG6tAg-00130-00044254-00044526 given to David accepted the upland TflyLSG6tAg-00131-00044527-00044751 plain among the mountains of Naphtali TflyLSG6tAg-00132-00044752-00045152 and renamed it the land of Kabul for a TflyLSG6tAg-00133-00045153-00045658 time TflyLSG6tAg-00134-00045659-00046307 topic classical antiquity TflyLSG6tAg-00135-00046308-00046607 Galilee in the first century was dotted TflyLSG6tAg-00136-00046608-00047027 with small towns and villages the Jewish TflyLSG6tAg-00137-00047028-00047321 historian Josephus claims that there TflyLSG6tAg-00138-00047322-00047699 were 204 small towns in Galilee but TflyLSG6tAg-00139-00047700-00047989 modern scholars believe this estimate to TflyLSG6tAg-00140-00047990-00048165 be an exaggeration TflyLSG6tAg-00141-00048166-00048467 many of these towns were centered around TflyLSG6tAg-00142-00048468-00048764 the Sea of Galilee which contained many TflyLSG6tAg-00143-00048765-00049027 edible fish and which was surrounded by TflyLSG6tAg-00144-00049028-00049474 fertile land salted dried and pickled TflyLSG6tAg-00145-00049475-00049795 fish were an important export good in TflyLSG6tAg-00146-00049796-00050230 for BCE a rebel named Judah plundered TflyLSG6tAg-00147-00050231-00050614 Galilee's largest city Sepphoris in TflyLSG6tAg-00148-00050615-00050974 response the Syrian governor Publius TflyLSG6tAg-00149-00050975-00051289 quintilius Varis sacked Sepphoris and TflyLSG6tAg-00150-00051290-00051604 sold the population into slavery after TflyLSG6tAg-00151-00051605-00051841 the death of Herod the Great that same TflyLSG6tAg-00152-00051842-00052060 year the Roman Emperor Augustus TflyLSG6tAg-00153-00052061-00052363 appointed his son Herod Antipas as TflyLSG6tAg-00154-00052364-00052630 Tetrarch of Galilee which remained a TflyLSG6tAg-00155-00052632-00053054 Roman client State Antipas paid tribute TflyLSG6tAg-00156-00053054-00053305 to the Roman Empire in exchange for TflyLSG6tAg-00157-00053307-00053663 Roman protection the Romans did not TflyLSG6tAg-00158-00053664-00053926 stationed troops in Galilee but TflyLSG6tAg-00159-00053927-00054176 threatened to retaliate against anyone TflyLSG6tAg-00160-00054177-00054538 who attacked it as long as he continued TflyLSG6tAg-00161-00054539-00054824 to pay tribute Antipas was permitted to TflyLSG6tAg-00162-00054825-00055042 govern however he wished and was TflyLSG6tAg-00163-00055044-00055321 permitted to mint his own coinage TflyLSG6tAg-00164-00055322-00055622 Antipas was relatively observant of TflyLSG6tAg-00165-00055623-00055942 Jewish laws and customs although his TflyLSG6tAg-00166-00055944-00056188 palace was decorated with animal TflyLSG6tAg-00167-00056189-00056479 carvings which many Jews regarded as a TflyLSG6tAg-00168-00056480-00056696 transgression against the law TflyLSG6tAg-00169-00056697-00057028 prohibiting idols his coins bore only TflyLSG6tAg-00170-00057029-00057338 agricultural designs which his subjects TflyLSG6tAg-00171-00057339-00057788 deemed acceptable in general Antipas was TflyLSG6tAg-00172-00057789-00058150 a capable ruler Josephus does not record TflyLSG6tAg-00173-00058151-00058436 any instance of him using force to put TflyLSG6tAg-00174-00058437-00058663 down an uprising and he had a long TflyLSG6tAg-00175-00058664-00059056 prosperous reign however many Jews TflyLSG6tAg-00176-00059057-00059273 probably resented him as not TflyLSG6tAg-00177-00059274-00059629 sufficiently devout Antipas rebuilt the TflyLSG6tAg-00178-00059630-00059687 city TflyLSG6tAg-00179-00059688-00060071 Sepphoris and in either 18 CEO or 19 TflyLSG6tAg-00180-00060072-00060448 seee he founded the new city of Tiberias TflyLSG6tAg-00181-00060449-00060770 these two cities became Galilee's TflyLSG6tAg-00182-00060771-00061094 largest cultural centres they were the TflyLSG6tAg-00183-00061095-00061379 main centres of greco-roman influence TflyLSG6tAg-00184-00061379-00061723 but were still predominantly Jewish a TflyLSG6tAg-00185-00061724-00062063 massive gap existed between the rich and TflyLSG6tAg-00186-00062064-00062396 poor but lack of uprisings suggests that TflyLSG6tAg-00187-00062397-00062692 taxes were not exorbitantly high and TflyLSG6tAg-00188-00062694-00062966 that most Galileans did not feel their TflyLSG6tAg-00189-00062966-00063220 livelihoods were being threatened the TflyLSG6tAg-00190-00063221-00063497 archaeological discoveries of synagogues TflyLSG6tAg-00191-00063498-00063805 from the Hellenistic and Roman period in TflyLSG6tAg-00192-00063807-00064042 the Galilee shows strong Phoenician TflyLSG6tAg-00193-00064044-00064358 influences and a high level of tolerance TflyLSG6tAg-00194-00064359-00064589 for other cultures relative to other TflyLSG6tAg-00195-00064590-00064958 Jewish religious centers late in his TflyLSG6tAg-00196-00064959-00065230 reign Antipas married his half niece TflyLSG6tAg-00197-00065232-00065540 Herodias who was already married to one TflyLSG6tAg-00198-00065541-00065882 of her other uncle's his wife whom he TflyLSG6tAg-00199-00065883-00066194 divorced fled to her father a redis an TflyLSG6tAg-00200-00066195-00066485 arab king who invaded Galilee and TflyLSG6tAg-00201-00066486-00066704 defeated Antipas troops before TflyLSG6tAg-00202-00066705-00067145 withdrawing both Josephus and the Gospel TflyLSG6tAg-00203-00067146-00067628 of Mark chapter 6 verses 17 to 29 record TflyLSG6tAg-00204-00067629-00067868 that the itinerant preacher John the TflyLSG6tAg-00205-00067869-00068162 Baptist criticized Antipas over his TflyLSG6tAg-00206-00068163-00068447 marriage and Antipas consequently had TflyLSG6tAg-00207-00068448-00068678 him imprisoned and then beheaded in TflyLSG6tAg-00208-00068679-00069071 around 39 C II at the urging of Herodias TflyLSG6tAg-00209-00069072-00069374 Antipas went to Rome to request that he TflyLSG6tAg-00210-00069375-00069647 be elevated from the status of Tetrarch TflyLSG6tAg-00211-00069648-00070016 to the status of King the Romans found TflyLSG6tAg-00212-00070017-00070307 him guilty of storing arms so he was TflyLSG6tAg-00213-00070308-00070619 removed from power and exiled ending his TflyLSG6tAg-00214-00070620-00071167 43 year reign during the great revolt 66 TflyLSG6tAg-00215-00071168-00071591 273 C II a Jewish mob destroyed Herod TflyLSG6tAg-00216-00071592-00071942 Antipas his palace according to medieval TflyLSG6tAg-00217-00071943-00072344 Hebrew legend simeon bar Yochai one of TflyLSG6tAg-00218-00072345-00072590 the most famed of all the Tanning wrote TflyLSG6tAg-00219-00072591-00072889 the zohar while living in galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00220-00072890-00073180 Eastern Galilee retained a Jewish TflyLSG6tAg-00221-00073181-00073432 majority until at least the seventh TflyLSG6tAg-00222-00073433-00074022 century TflyLSG6tAg-00223-00074023-00074587 topic Middle Ages TflyLSG6tAg-00224-00074588-00074909 after the Arab Caliphate took control of TflyLSG6tAg-00225-00074910-00075365 the region in 638 it became part of Jun TflyLSG6tAg-00226-00075366-00075760 dal or done district of Jordan its major TflyLSG6tAg-00227-00075761-00076109 towns were Tiberias which was capital of TflyLSG6tAg-00228-00076110-00076588 the district Coty's basin acre Sofia and TflyLSG6tAg-00229-00076589-00076897 Kabul the Shia Fatimids conquered the TflyLSG6tAg-00230-00076898-00077176 region in the 10th century a breakaway TflyLSG6tAg-00231-00077177-00077500 sect venerating the Fatimid caliph al TflyLSG6tAg-00232-00077501-00077840 Hakim formed the Druze religion centered TflyLSG6tAg-00233-00077841-00078180 in Mount Lebanon and partially Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00234-00078181-00078472 during the Crusades Galilee was TflyLSG6tAg-00235-00078473-00078730 organized into the Principality of TflyLSG6tAg-00236-00078731-00078985 Galilee one of the most important TflyLSG6tAg-00237-00078986-00079655 Crusader sceneries TflyLSG6tAg-00238-00079656-00080209 topic ottoman era TflyLSG6tAg-00239-00080210-00080560 during early ottoman era the Galilee was TflyLSG6tAg-00240-00080561-00080887 governed as the sathan sanjak initially TflyLSG6tAg-00241-00080888-00081166 part of the larger administrative unit TflyLSG6tAg-00242-00081167-00081673 of Damascus Island 1549 to 1660 and TflyLSG6tAg-00243-00081674-00082146 later as part of Sidon Island 1660 to TflyLSG6tAg-00244-00082147-00082605 1864 during the 18th century the TflyLSG6tAg-00245-00082606-00082881 administrative division of Galilee was TflyLSG6tAg-00246-00082882-00083118 renamed to a curse and Jack and the TflyLSG6tAg-00247-00083119-00083397 island itself became centered in Acre TflyLSG6tAg-00248-00083398-00083676 factually becoming the acre island TflyLSG6tAg-00249-00083677-00084303 between 1775 and 1841 the Jewish TflyLSG6tAg-00250-00084304-00084555 population of Galilee increased TflyLSG6tAg-00251-00084556-00084807 significantly following their expulsion TflyLSG6tAg-00252-00084808-00085080 from Spain and welcome from the Ottoman TflyLSG6tAg-00253-00085081-00085465 Empire the community for a time made TflyLSG6tAg-00254-00085466-00085762 Safed an international center of cloth TflyLSG6tAg-00255-00085763-00086047 weaving and manufacturing as well as a TflyLSG6tAg-00256-00086048-00086424 key site for Jewish learning today it TflyLSG6tAg-00257-00086425-00086704 remains one of Judaism's four holy TflyLSG6tAg-00258-00086705-00087067 cities and a center for Kabbalah TflyLSG6tAg-00259-00087068-00087415 in the mid 17th century Galilee and TflyLSG6tAg-00260-00087416-00087673 Mount Lebanon became the scene of the TflyLSG6tAg-00261-00087674-00087918 Druze power struggle which came in TflyLSG6tAg-00262-00087919-00088179 parallel with much destruction in the TflyLSG6tAg-00263-00088180-00088551 region and decline of major cities TflyLSG6tAg-00264-00088552-00088881 in the mid 18th century Galilee was TflyLSG6tAg-00265-00088882-00089138 caught up in a struggle between the Arab TflyLSG6tAg-00266-00089139-00089426 leaders Zaheer al Ahmar and the Ottoman TflyLSG6tAg-00267-00089427-00089619 authorities who were centered in TflyLSG6tAg-00268-00089620-00090090 Damascus Zaheer ruled Galilee for 25 TflyLSG6tAg-00269-00090091-00090354 years until ottoman loyalists jezzer TflyLSG6tAg-00270-00090355-00090868 pasha conquered the region in 1775 TflyLSG6tAg-00271-00090869-00091285 in 1831 the Galilee a part of Ottoman TflyLSG6tAg-00272-00091286-00091588 Syria switched hands from Ottomans to TflyLSG6tAg-00273-00091589-00092086 Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt until 1840 during TflyLSG6tAg-00274-00092087-00092350 this period aggressive social and TflyLSG6tAg-00275-00092351-00092638 politic policies were introduced which TflyLSG6tAg-00276-00092639-00093151 led to a violent 1834 Arab revolt in the TflyLSG6tAg-00277-00093152-00093391 process of this revolt the Jewish TflyLSG6tAg-00278-00093392-00093697 community of Safed was greatly reduced TflyLSG6tAg-00279-00093698-00093961 in the event of Safed plunder by the TflyLSG6tAg-00280-00093962-00094369 rebels the Arab rebels were subsequently TflyLSG6tAg-00281-00094370-00094648 defeated by the Egyptian troops though TflyLSG6tAg-00282-00094649-00094999 in 1838 the Druze of Galilee led another TflyLSG6tAg-00283-00095000-00095581 uprising in 1834 in 1837 major TflyLSG6tAg-00284-00095582-00095847 earthquakes leveled most of the towns TflyLSG6tAg-00285-00095848-00096192 resulting in great loss of life TflyLSG6tAg-00286-00096193-00096709 following the 1864 Tanzimat reforms in TflyLSG6tAg-00287-00096710-00096994 the Ottoman Empire the Galilee remained TflyLSG6tAg-00288-00096995-00097210 within a curse and Jack but was TflyLSG6tAg-00289-00097211-00097474 transferred from sidon islet to the TflyLSG6tAg-00290-00097475-00097768 newly formed Syria Vilayet and shortly TflyLSG6tAg-00291-00097769-00098101 from 1888 became administered from TflyLSG6tAg-00292-00098102-00098341 beirut village TflyLSG6tAg-00293-00098342-00098803 in 1866 Galilee's first hospital the TflyLSG6tAg-00294-00098804-00099088 nazareth hospital was founded under the TflyLSG6tAg-00295-00099089-00099322 leadership of american armenian TflyLSG6tAg-00296-00099323-00099559 missionary doctor collusive arden TflyLSG6tAg-00297-00099560-00099829 assisted by german missionary John TflyLSG6tAg-00298-00099830-00100345 Zeller in the early 20th century Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00299-00100346-00100600 remained part of a curse and Jack of TflyLSG6tAg-00300-00100601-00100996 Ottoman Syria it was administered as the TflyLSG6tAg-00301-00100997-00101248 southernmost territory of the beirut TflyLSG6tAg-00302-00101249-00101782 village TflyLSG6tAg-00303-00101783-00102206 topic British administration and Israeli TflyLSG6tAg-00304-00102207-00102839 rule following the defeat of the Ottoman TflyLSG6tAg-00305-00102840-00103097 Empire in World War one and the TflyLSG6tAg-00306-00103098-00103367 Armistice of Mudros it came under TflyLSG6tAg-00307-00103368-00103640 British rule as part of the occupied TflyLSG6tAg-00308-00103641-00104059 enemy territory administration shortly TflyLSG6tAg-00309-00104060-00104458 after in 1920 the region was included in TflyLSG6tAg-00310-00104459-00104675 the British Mandate territory TflyLSG6tAg-00311-00104676-00105010 officially a part of mandatory Palestine TflyLSG6tAg-00312-00105011-00105610 from 1923 after the 1948 arab-israeli TflyLSG6tAg-00313-00105611-00105950 war nearly the whole of Galilee came TflyLSG6tAg-00314-00105951-00106333 under Israel's control a large portion TflyLSG6tAg-00315-00106334-00106646 of the population fled or was forced to TflyLSG6tAg-00316-00106647-00106907 leave leaving dozens of entire villages TflyLSG6tAg-00317-00106908-00107282 empty however a large Israeli Arab TflyLSG6tAg-00318-00107283-00107540 community remained based in and near the TflyLSG6tAg-00319-00107541-00107894 cities of Nazareth acre Tamara Sakhnin TflyLSG6tAg-00320-00107895-00108314 and shefa Armour due to some extent to a TflyLSG6tAg-00321-00108315-00108619 successful rapprochement with the Druze TflyLSG6tAg-00322-00108620-00108890 the kibbutz seemed around the Sea of TflyLSG6tAg-00323-00108891-00109145 Galilee were sometimes shelled by the TflyLSG6tAg-00324-00109146-00109430 Syrian army's artillery until Israel TflyLSG6tAg-00325-00109431-00109823 seized the Golan Heights in the 1967 TflyLSG6tAg-00326-00109824-00110061 six-day war TflyLSG6tAg-00327-00110063-00110527 during the 1970s and the early 1980s the TflyLSG6tAg-00328-00110528-00110880 Palestine Liberation Organization PLO TflyLSG6tAg-00329-00110881-00111208 launched several attacks on towns and TflyLSG6tAg-00330-00111208-00111427 villages of the upper and Western TflyLSG6tAg-00331-00111428-00111748 Galilee from Lebanon this came in TflyLSG6tAg-00332-00111749-00112059 parallel to the general disabled ization TflyLSG6tAg-00333-00112060-00112357 of southern Lebanon which became a scene TflyLSG6tAg-00334-00112358-00112617 of fierce sectarian fighting which TflyLSG6tAg-00335-00112618-00112873 deteriorated into the Lebanese civil war TflyLSG6tAg-00336-00112874-00113241 on the course of the war Israel TflyLSG6tAg-00337-00113242-00113704 initiated operation Litani 1979 an TflyLSG6tAg-00338-00113705-00114100 operation peace for Galilee 1982 TflyLSG6tAg-00339-00114101-00114349 with the stated objectives of destroying TflyLSG6tAg-00340-00114350-00114649 the PLO infrastructure in Lebanon TflyLSG6tAg-00341-00114650-00114922 protecting the citizens of the Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00342-00114923-00115167 and supporting Allied Christian Lebanese TflyLSG6tAg-00343-00115168-00115549 malicious Israel took over much of TflyLSG6tAg-00344-00115550-00115867 southern Lebanon in support of Christian TflyLSG6tAg-00345-00115868-00116245 Lebanese militias until 1985 when it TflyLSG6tAg-00346-00116246-00116521 withdrew to a narrow security buffer TflyLSG6tAg-00347-00116522-00117103 zone from 1985 to 2000 Hezbollah and TflyLSG6tAg-00348-00117104-00117360 earlier Amal continued to fight the TflyLSG6tAg-00349-00117361-00117616 south Lebanon Army supported by the TflyLSG6tAg-00350-00117617-00117964 Israel Defense Forces sometimes shelling TflyLSG6tAg-00351-00117965-00118252 Upper Galilee communities with Katyusha TflyLSG6tAg-00352-00118253-00118690 rockets in May 2000 Israeli prime TflyLSG6tAg-00353-00118691-00118996 minister a hoot Barak unilaterally TflyLSG6tAg-00354-00118997-00119290 withdrew IDF troops from southern TflyLSG6tAg-00355-00119291-00119617 Lebanon maintaining a security force on TflyLSG6tAg-00356-00119618-00119869 the Israeli side of the international TflyLSG6tAg-00357-00119870-00120204 border recognized by the United Nations TflyLSG6tAg-00358-00120205-00120523 the move brought a collapse to the south TflyLSG6tAg-00359-00120524-00120814 Lebanon army and takeover of southern TflyLSG6tAg-00360-00120815-00121206 Lebanon by Hezbollah however despite TflyLSG6tAg-00361-00121207-00121491 Israeli withdrawal clashes between TflyLSG6tAg-00362-00121492-00121813 Hezbollah and Israel continued along the TflyLSG6tAg-00363-00121814-00122101 border and UN observers condemned both TflyLSG6tAg-00364-00122102-00122550 for their attacks the 2006 TflyLSG6tAg-00365-00122551-00122767 israel-lebanon conflict was TflyLSG6tAg-00366-00122768-00122967 characterized by round-the-clock TflyLSG6tAg-00367-00122968-00123283 Katyusha rocket attacks with a greatly TflyLSG6tAg-00368-00123283-00123426 extended reign TflyLSG6tAg-00369-00123427-00123687 by Hezbollah on the whole of Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00370-00123688-00123990 with long-range ground-launched missiles TflyLSG6tAg-00371-00123991-00124275 hitting as far south as the Sharon plain TflyLSG6tAg-00372-00124276-00124599 Jezreel Valley and Jordan Valley below TflyLSG6tAg-00373-00124600-00125275 the Sea of Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00374-00125276-00125849 topic demography TflyLSG6tAg-00375-00125850-00126143 the largest cities in the region are TflyLSG6tAg-00376-00126144-00126548 acre nihari a-- nazareth Safed carmel TflyLSG6tAg-00377-00126549-00127108 sagar shefa armor a fula and Tiberias TflyLSG6tAg-00378-00127108-00127439 the port city of Haifa serves as a TflyLSG6tAg-00379-00127440-00127807 commercial center for the whole region TflyLSG6tAg-00380-00127808-00128107 because of its hilly terrain most of the TflyLSG6tAg-00381-00128108-00128344 people in the Galilee live in small TflyLSG6tAg-00382-00128345-00128629 villages connected by relatively few TflyLSG6tAg-00383-00128630-00129049 roads a railroad runs south from nihari TflyLSG6tAg-00384-00129050-00129336 ax along the Mediterranean coast and a TflyLSG6tAg-00385-00129338-00129600 fork to the east as due to operate in TflyLSG6tAg-00386-00129601-00129988 2015 the main sources of livelihood TflyLSG6tAg-00387-00129989-00130300 throughout the area are agriculture and TflyLSG6tAg-00388-00130301-00130635 tourism industrial parks are being TflyLSG6tAg-00389-00130636-00130750 developed TflyLSG6tAg-00390-00130751-00130923 bringing further employment TflyLSG6tAg-00391-00130924-00131224 opportunities to the local population TflyLSG6tAg-00392-00131225-00131508 which includes many recent immigrants TflyLSG6tAg-00393-00131509-00131851 the Israeli government is contributing TflyLSG6tAg-00394-00131852-00132106 funding to the private initiative the TflyLSG6tAg-00395-00132107-00132433 Galilee finance facility organized by TflyLSG6tAg-00396-00132434-00132748 the Milken Institute and Corot Economic TflyLSG6tAg-00397-00132749-00133045 Development Fund the Galilee is home to TflyLSG6tAg-00398-00133046-00133351 a large Arab population comprising a TflyLSG6tAg-00399-00133352-00133611 Muslim majority and two smaller TflyLSG6tAg-00400-00133612-00133933 populations of Druze and Arab Christians TflyLSG6tAg-00401-00133934-00134368 of comparable sizes both Israeli Druze TflyLSG6tAg-00402-00134369-00134599 and Christians have their majorities in TflyLSG6tAg-00403-00134600-00134983 the Galilee other notable minorities are TflyLSG6tAg-00404-00134984-00135196 the Bedouins the Maronites and the TflyLSG6tAg-00405-00135197-00135649 circassians the north-central portion of TflyLSG6tAg-00406-00135650-00135916 the Galilee is also known as central TflyLSG6tAg-00407-00135917-00136177 Galilee stretching from the border with TflyLSG6tAg-00408-00136178-00136411 Lebanon to the northern edge of the TflyLSG6tAg-00409-00136412-00136675 Jezreel Valley including the cities of TflyLSG6tAg-00410-00136676-00136945 Nazareth and Sakhnin has an Arab TflyLSG6tAg-00411-00136946-00137338 majority of 75% with most of the Jewish TflyLSG6tAg-00412-00137339-00137647 population living in hilltop cities like TflyLSG6tAg-00413-00137648-00137986 Upper Nazareth the northern half of the TflyLSG6tAg-00414-00137987-00138247 central lower Galilee surrounding TflyLSG6tAg-00415-00138248-00138580 caramel and Sakhnin is known as the part TflyLSG6tAg-00416-00138581-00138949 of the Galilee the eastern Galilee is TflyLSG6tAg-00417-00138950-00139324 nearly 100 percent Jewish this part TflyLSG6tAg-00418-00139325-00139585 includes the finger of the Galilee the TflyLSG6tAg-00419-00139586-00139846 Jordan River Valley and the shores the TflyLSG6tAg-00420-00139847-00140113 Sea of Galilee and contains two of TflyLSG6tAg-00421-00140114-00140536 Judaism's four holy cities the southern TflyLSG6tAg-00422-00140537-00140818 part of the Galilee including Jezreel TflyLSG6tAg-00423-00140819-00141082 Valley and the Gilboa region are also TflyLSG6tAg-00424-00141083-00141184 nearly TflyLSG6tAg-00425-00141185-00141532 100% Jewish with a few small Arab TflyLSG6tAg-00426-00141533-00141915 villages near the West Bank border about TflyLSG6tAg-00427-00141916-00142201 80 percent of the population of the TflyLSG6tAg-00428-00142202-00142510 Western Galilee as Jewish all the way up TflyLSG6tAg-00429-00142511-00142924 to the Lebanese border Jews also form a TflyLSG6tAg-00430-00142925-00143190 small majority in the mountainous Upper TflyLSG6tAg-00431-00143191-00143512 Galilee with a significant minority Arab TflyLSG6tAg-00432-00143513-00143895 population mainly Druze and Christians TflyLSG6tAg-00433-00143896-00144228 the Jewish Agency has attempted to TflyLSG6tAg-00434-00144229-00144511 increase the Jewish population in this TflyLSG6tAg-00435-00144512-00144838 area but the non-jewish population also TflyLSG6tAg-00436-00144839-00145258 has a high growth rate as of 2006 there TflyLSG6tAg-00437-00145259-00145624 were 1.2 million residents in Galilee of TflyLSG6tAg-00438-00145625-00146026 which 47% were Jewish currently the TflyLSG6tAg-00439-00146027-00146272 Galilee is attracting significant TflyLSG6tAg-00440-00146273-00146575 internal migration of Haredi Jews who TflyLSG6tAg-00441-00146576-00146821 are increasingly moving to the Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00442-00146822-00147090 in Negev as an answer to rising housing TflyLSG6tAg-00443-00147091-00147868 prices in central Israel TflyLSG6tAg-00444-00147869-00148432 topic tourism TflyLSG6tAg-00445-00148433-00148737 Galilee is a popular destination for TflyLSG6tAg-00446-00148738-00149008 domestic and foreign tourists who enjoy TflyLSG6tAg-00447-00149009-00149346 its scenic recreational and gastronomic TflyLSG6tAg-00448-00149347-00149749 offerings the Galilee attracts many TflyLSG6tAg-00449-00149750-00150004 Christian pilgrims as many of the TflyLSG6tAg-00450-00150005-00150301 miracles of Jesus occurred according to TflyLSG6tAg-00451-00150302-00150538 the New Testament on the shores of the TflyLSG6tAg-00452-00150539-00150886 Sea of Galilee including his walking on TflyLSG6tAg-00453-00150887-00151158 water calming the storm and feeding TflyLSG6tAg-00454-00151159-00151387 5,000 people in Taba TflyLSG6tAg-00455-00151388-00151789 in addition numerous sites of biblical TflyLSG6tAg-00456-00151790-00152062 importance are located in the Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00457-00152063-00152398 such as Megiddo Jezreel Valley Mount TflyLSG6tAg-00458-00152399-00152895 Tabor Hazor horns of Hattin and more a TflyLSG6tAg-00459-00152896-00153202 popular hiking trail known as the yam TflyLSG6tAg-00460-00153203-00153547 lamb or C 2 C starts hikers at the TflyLSG6tAg-00461-00153548-00153859 Mediterranean they then hike through the TflyLSG6tAg-00462-00153860-00154237 Galilee Mountains Tabor Neriah and Marin TflyLSG6tAg-00463-00154238-00154489 until their final destination the TflyLSG6tAg-00464-00154490-00154977 Kinneret Sea of Galilee in April 2011 TflyLSG6tAg-00465-00154978-00155485 Israel unveiled the Jesus trail a 40 TflyLSG6tAg-00466-00155486-00155869 mile 60 km hiking trail in the Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00467-00155870-00156190 for Christian pilgrims the trail TflyLSG6tAg-00468-00156191-00156484 includes a network of footpaths roads TflyLSG6tAg-00469-00156485-00156838 and bicycle paths linking sites central TflyLSG6tAg-00470-00156839-00157056 to the lives of Jesus and His disciples TflyLSG6tAg-00471-00157057-00157429 including tab de the traditional site of TflyLSG6tAg-00472-00157430-00157735 Jesus miracle of the loaves and fishes TflyLSG6tAg-00473-00157736-00158014 and the Mount of Beatitudes where he TflyLSG6tAg-00474-00158015-00158320 delivered his Sermon on the Mount it TflyLSG6tAg-00475-00158321-00158581 ends at Capernaum on the shores of the TflyLSG6tAg-00476-00158582-00158893 Sea of Galilee where Jesus espoused his TflyLSG6tAg-00477-00158894-00159093 teachings TflyLSG6tAg-00478-00159094-00159393 many kibbutzim and moshav families TflyLSG6tAg-00479-00159394-00159837 operate Zimmern German rooms the local TflyLSG6tAg-00480-00159838-00160185 term for a bed and breakfasts numerous TflyLSG6tAg-00481-00160186-00160392 festivals are held throughout the year TflyLSG6tAg-00482-00160393-00160653 especially in the autumn and spring TflyLSG6tAg-00483-00160654-00161043 holiday seasons these include the acre TflyLSG6tAg-00484-00161044-00161406 eco festival of alternative theater the TflyLSG6tAg-00485-00161407-00161730 olive harvest festival music festivals TflyLSG6tAg-00486-00161731-00162062 featuring Anglo American folk klezmer TflyLSG6tAg-00487-00162063-00162414 Renaissance and chamber music and Carmel TflyLSG6tAg-00488-00162415-00163075 Dance Festival TflyLSG6tAg-00489-00163076-00163623 topic cuisine TflyLSG6tAg-00490-00163624-00163899 the cuisine of the Galilee is very TflyLSG6tAg-00491-00163900-00164211 diverse the meals are lighter than in TflyLSG6tAg-00492-00164212-00164523 the central and southern regions dairy TflyLSG6tAg-00493-00164524-00164841 products are heavily consumed especially TflyLSG6tAg-00494-00164842-00165114 the Safed cheese that originated in the TflyLSG6tAg-00495-00165115-00165435 mountains of the Upper Galilee herbs TflyLSG6tAg-00496-00165436-00165798 like thyme mint parsley basil and TflyLSG6tAg-00497-00165799-00166098 rosemary are very common with everything TflyLSG6tAg-00498-00166099-00166407 including dips meat fish stews and TflyLSG6tAg-00499-00166408-00166626 cheese TflyLSG6tAg-00500-00166627-00166869 in the eastern part of the Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00501-00166870-00167138 freshwater fish as much as meat TflyLSG6tAg-00502-00167139-00167451 especially the tilapia that lives in the TflyLSG6tAg-00503-00167452-00167739 Sea of Galilee Jordan River and other TflyLSG6tAg-00504-00167740-00168012 streams in the region fish filled with TflyLSG6tAg-00505-00168013-00168249 thyme and grilled with rosemary to TflyLSG6tAg-00506-00168250-00168510 flavor or stuffed with oregano leaves TflyLSG6tAg-00507-00168511-00168783 then topped with parsley and served with TflyLSG6tAg-00508-00168784-00169224 lemon to squash this technique exists in TflyLSG6tAg-00509-00169225-00169461 other parts of the country including the TflyLSG6tAg-00510-00169462-00169722 coasts of the Mediterranean and the Red TflyLSG6tAg-00511-00169723-00170136 Sea a specialty of the region as a baked TflyLSG6tAg-00512-00170137-00170460 tilapia flavoured with celery mint and a TflyLSG6tAg-00513-00170461-00170811 lot of lemon juice baked fish with TflyLSG6tAg-00514-00170812-00171141 tahini is also common in Tiberias while TflyLSG6tAg-00515-00171142-00171432 the coastal Galileans prefer to replace TflyLSG6tAg-00516-00171433-00171738 the tahini with yogurt and add sumac on TflyLSG6tAg-00517-00171739-00172214 top the galilee is famous for its olives TflyLSG6tAg-00518-00172215-00172548 pomegranates wine and especially its lab TflyLSG6tAg-00519-00172549-00172803 nawaz otta which is served with pita TflyLSG6tAg-00520-00172804-00173163 bread meat stews with wine pomegranates TflyLSG6tAg-00521-00173164-00173526 and herbs such as aku parsley calm it TflyLSG6tAg-00522-00173527-00174009 meant fennel etc are common Galilean TflyLSG6tAg-00523-00174010-00174291 kuba is usually flavored with cumin TflyLSG6tAg-00524-00174292-00174591 cinnamon cardamom concentrated TflyLSG6tAg-00525-00174592-00174951 pomegranate juice onion parsley and pine TflyLSG6tAg-00526-00174952-00175337 nuts and served as mieze with tahini dip TflyLSG6tAg-00527-00175338-00175686 kebabs are also made almost in the same TflyLSG6tAg-00528-00175687-00175991 way with sumac replacing cardamom and TflyLSG6tAg-00529-00175992-00176244 with carob sometimes replacing the TflyLSG6tAg-00530-00176245-00176503 pomegranate juice TflyLSG6tAg-00531-00176504-00176803 because of its climate beef has become TflyLSG6tAg-00532-00176804-00177061 more popular than lamb although both are TflyLSG6tAg-00533-00177062-00177490 still even their dates are popular in TflyLSG6tAg-00534-00177491-00177718 the tropical climate of the Eastern TflyLSG6tAg-00535-00177719-00178289 Galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00536-00178290-00178874 topic sub-regions TflyLSG6tAg-00537-00178875-00179186 the Galilee is often divided into these TflyLSG6tAg-00538-00179187-00179600 sub regions lower Galilee covers the TflyLSG6tAg-00539-00179601-00179939 area north of the valleys Jezreel Herat TflyLSG6tAg-00540-00179940-00180214 and beth shean valley and south of the TflyLSG6tAg-00541-00180215-00180593 beta carom valley its borders to the TflyLSG6tAg-00542-00180594-00180833 east on the Jordan Rift Valley TflyLSG6tAg-00543-00180834-00181237 it contains the arab village of Cana TflyLSG6tAg-00544-00181238-00181547 Upper Galilee extends from the beta TflyLSG6tAg-00545-00181548-00181832 carom valley northwards into southern TflyLSG6tAg-00546-00181833-00182227 Lebanon its eastern border as the Hula TflyLSG6tAg-00547-00182228-00182519 Valley and the Sea of Galilee separating TflyLSG6tAg-00548-00182520-00182890 it from the Golan Heights to the west it TflyLSG6tAg-00549-00182891-00183119 reaches to the coastal plain which TflyLSG6tAg-00550-00183120-00183512 separates it from the Mediterranean the TflyLSG6tAg-00551-00183513-00184082 Jezreel Valley Jordan Valley Valley of TflyLSG6tAg-00552-00184083-00184597 beit she'an sea of galilee in its valley TflyLSG6tAg-00553-00184598-00185276 the Hula Valley Mount Gilboa the korazim TflyLSG6tAg-00554-00185277-00185720 plateau Western Galilee in its minimal TflyLSG6tAg-00555-00185721-00186004 definition refers to the coastal plain TflyLSG6tAg-00556-00186005-00186260 just west of the Upper Galilee also TflyLSG6tAg-00557-00186261-00186599 known as plain of Asher or plain of the TflyLSG6tAg-00558-00186600-00186851 Galilee which stretches from north of TflyLSG6tAg-00559-00186852-00187129 acre to Rosh Hanikra on the Israel TflyLSG6tAg-00560-00187130-00187394 Lebanon border and in the common broad TflyLSG6tAg-00561-00187395-00187666 definition adds the western part of TflyLSG6tAg-00562-00187667-00187891 Upper Galilee and usually the TflyLSG6tAg-00563-00187892-00188168 northwestern part of lower Galilee as TflyLSG6tAg-00564-00188169-00188464 well corresponding more or less to acre TflyLSG6tAg-00565-00188465-00188812 sub district or the northern district TflyLSG6tAg-00566-00188813-00189395 the Galilee Panhandle hebrew z bh lil e TflyLSG6tAg-00567-00189396-00189827 TZ ba hoggle ill-lit finger of galilee TflyLSG6tAg-00568-00189828-00190175 is a Panhandle along the Hula Valley TflyLSG6tAg-00569-00190176-00190453 it contains the towns of Mutulu and TflyLSG6tAg-00570-00190454-00191360 curiata Mona and a Dan and Banias rivers TflyLSG6tAg-00571-00191361-00191903 topic gallery TflyLSG6tAg-00572-00191904-00192287 you TflyLSG6tAg-00573-00192288-00192890 topic see also TflyLSG6tAg-00574-00192891-00193110 galilean TflyLSG6tAg-00575-00193111-00193439 Northern District Israel TflyLSG6tAg-00576-00193440-00193727 kay nygma random TflyLSG6tAg-00577-00193728-00194084 a hose it Naftali TfMD4k8012y-00000-00000000-00001407 [Music] TfMD4k8012y-00001-00001408-00001561 welcome back TfMD4k8012y-00002-00001562-00001753 aunt Brandi frying with us again today TfMD4k8012y-00003-00001754-00001932 with legislation how are you doing Randy TfMD4k8012y-00004-00001934-00002173 are you I'm doing great TfMD4k8012y-00005-00002174-00002398 so you had a little vacation because of TfMD4k8012y-00006-00002399-00002610 koban oh no kidding and the State House TfMD4k8012y-00007-00002611-00002782 been shut down for quite a while yeah TfMD4k8012y-00008-00002783-00002929 everybody's been trying to stay healthy TfMD4k8012y-00009-00002930-00003340 and hopefully you are as well trying to TfMD4k8012y-00010-00003340-00003397 get our state back TfMD4k8012y-00011-00003397-00003583 I've been running you know and then it TfMD4k8012y-00012-00003584-00003772 starts Monday yeah that's why our chairs TfMD4k8012y-00013-00003772-00003961 are so far apart compared to what TfMD4k8012y-00014-00003961-00004300 normally to it just but it works as long TfMD4k8012y-00015-00004301-00004497 as we stay a good distance it helps out TfMD4k8012y-00016-00004498-00004845 so with this summer thing you've got all TfMD4k8012y-00017-00004846-00004987 kinds of things going on during the TfMD4k8012y-00018-00004988-00005154 summer months not just in the winter TfMD4k8012y-00019-00005155-00005386 months but you've got new bills that are TfMD4k8012y-00020-00005387-00005668 coming out some of those well Debbie TfMD4k8012y-00021-00005669-00006043 today is the first day of July yes and TfMD4k8012y-00022-00006044-00006381 and that's the first day that new bills TfMD4k8012y-00023-00006382-00006676 go into effect in Indiana now it is TfMD4k8012y-00024-00006677-00006834 possible for a bill to go into effect TfMD4k8012y-00025-00006836-00007087 earlier but those are considered TfMD4k8012y-00026-00007088-00007204 emergency provisions TfMD4k8012y-00027-00007205-00007431 most bills go into effect after the TfMD4k8012y-00028-00007433-00007584 governor signs them on July the 1st TfMD4k8012y-00029-00007586-00007798 which is today is the first day of the TfMD4k8012y-00030-00007798-00008116 state's new year right it runs July 1 to TfMD4k8012y-00031-00008117-00008458 June 30 and so we do have our new bills TfMD4k8012y-00032-00008459-00008763 going into effect today one of them I'm TfMD4k8012y-00033-00008764-00008938 sure your listeners are aware of it is a TfMD4k8012y-00034-00008939-00009190 bill that deals with cell phones and not TfMD4k8012y-00035-00009191-00009337 being able to hold that phone in your TfMD4k8012y-00036-00009338-00009529 hand anymore TfMD4k8012y-00037-00009530-00009858 what it does Debbie and I'm on the roads TfMD4k8012y-00038-00009859-00010054 and transportation committee that bill TfMD4k8012y-00039-00010055-00010204 came through our committee and I'll be TfMD4k8012y-00040-00010205-00010333 honest with you in the beginning I TfMD4k8012y-00041-00010334-00010471 wasn't too sure I was going to support TfMD4k8012y-00042-00010472-00010726 it I don't much like those kind of TfMD4k8012y-00043-00010727-00011005 restrictions I also know that there are TfMD4k8012y-00044-00011006-00011326 things like a Big Mac that can distract TfMD4k8012y-00045-00011327-00011458 you hot coffee TfMD4k8012y-00046-00011459-00011716 a drop cigarette a lot of different TfMD4k8012y-00047-00011717-00012016 things music as a friend so where does TfMD4k8012y-00048-00012017-00012099 it end TfMD4k8012y-00049-00012100-00012412 but noon to testimony we heard from law TfMD4k8012y-00050-00012413-00012633 enforcement we heard from citizens that TfMD4k8012y-00051-00012634-00012874 the number one cause of these accidents TfMD4k8012y-00052-00012875-00013180 of distracted drivers was the cellphone TfMD4k8012y-00053-00013181-00013453 we had testimony from folks who ride TfMD4k8012y-00054-00013454-00013825 motorcycles man and his wife on two TfMD4k8012y-00055-00013826-00013991 different bikes pulled off side of the TfMD4k8012y-00056-00013991-00014347 road to to do something and a distracted TfMD4k8012y-00057-00014348-00014808 driver hit him and they each lost a leg TfMD4k8012y-00058-00014809-00015153 we heard from a mom a young woman that's TfMD4k8012y-00059-00015154-00015416 her daughter it was Jackson Dale I TfMD4k8012y-00060-00015416-00015677 believe senior this was a few years back TfMD4k8012y-00061-00015678-00015844 and her daughter was texting while she TfMD4k8012y-00062-00015845-00016094 was driving and she had an accident TfMD4k8012y-00063-00016094-00016355 killer and and that was just the TfMD4k8012y-00064-00016356-00016540 beginning what law enforcement testified TfMD4k8012y-00065-00016541-00016756 over and over in favor of the bill as a TfMD4k8012y-00066-00016757-00016877 matter of fact I don't remember anybody TfMD4k8012y-00067-00016878-00017252 testified against the bill but that to TfMD4k8012y-00068-00017253-00017509 make it clear if you were to hit in your TfMD4k8012y-00069-00017510-00017719 car right now and drive from here in TfMD4k8012y-00070-00017720-00018034 Madison to Florida as soon as you cross TfMD4k8012y-00071-00018035-00018190 the Ohio River you'd have already been TfMD4k8012y-00072-00018191-00018317 in a state where you couldn't hold TfMD4k8012y-00073-00018318-00018500 yourself phone in your hand you know TfMD4k8012y-00074-00018501-00018650 Kentucky Tennessee Georgia and Florida TfMD4k8012y-00075-00018651-00018905 already have enacted it so we were not TfMD4k8012y-00076-00018906-00019228 on the cutting edge with this we are now TfMD4k8012y-00077-00019229-00019486 part of it but other states had already TfMD4k8012y-00078-00019487-00019805 adopted it but you know when your way TfMD4k8012y-00079-00019806-00020186 that the restrictions on someone's TfMD4k8012y-00080-00020187-00020486 freedom versus protecting the people you TfMD4k8012y-00081-00020487-00020642 have to err on side of protecting the TfMD4k8012y-00082-00020643-00020939 people and that's what we did and Bill TfMD4k8012y-00083-00020940-00021167 pass overwhelmingly and government Corps TfMD4k8012y-00084-00021168-00021392 signed it into law and it took effect TfMD4k8012y-00085-00021393-00021578 today and it's not really that bad I TfMD4k8012y-00086-00021579-00021742 mean if you have a device that you put TfMD4k8012y-00087-00021743-00022096 in your little Vince burger case you or TfMD4k8012y-00088-00022097-00022336 your cup holder you can always just TfMD4k8012y-00089-00022337-00022592 touch the button and do a voice can you TfMD4k8012y-00090-00022593-00022871 use your speaker I don't have Bluetooth TfMD4k8012y-00091-00022872-00023125 in my car I drove today so I use the TfMD4k8012y-00092-00023126-00023311 speaker that it's not great but it's TfMD4k8012y-00093-00023312-00023474 okay I could get it perry said of TfMD4k8012y-00094-00023475-00023734 earbuds they make it even better but or TfMD4k8012y-00095-00023735-00023936 you can use as we said Bluetooth TfMD4k8012y-00096-00023937-00024283 technology yep you can pick up that TfMD4k8012y-00097-00024284-00024464 phone and use it if you're calling 9-1-1 TfMD4k8012y-00098-00024465-00024772 no yes that's a that's an exemption in TfMD4k8012y-00099-00024773-00025021 the bill so if you are needed to call TfMD4k8012y-00100-00025022-00025183 9-1-1 you can pick the phone up and do TfMD4k8012y-00101-00025184-00025290 that TfMD4k8012y-00102-00025291-00025584 but again it's it is a little TfMD4k8012y-00103-00025585-00025868 inconvenient sometimes but in the end TfMD4k8012y-00104-00025869-00026181 it's for safety you can continue to use TfMD4k8012y-00105-00026182-00026394 your phone all the different apps that TfMD4k8012y-00106-00026395-00026574 are all different things your phone can TfMD4k8012y-00107-00026575-00027087 do math right but if it's up there where TfMD4k8012y-00108-00027088-00027258 you can see it you can see the road map TfMD4k8012y-00109-00027258-00027470 and you just find it's that looking down TfMD4k8012y-00110-00027470-00027813 that is what's caused so much stuff it's TfMD4k8012y-00111-00027814-00028020 also they told us that when it's held up TfMD4k8012y-00112-00028020-00028176 here you're pretty much blind your TfMD4k8012y-00113-00028177-00028320 vision here over or if you're TfMD4k8012y-00114-00028320-00028698 left-handed from here over and so also TfMD4k8012y-00115-00028699-00029002 causes quite a problem with accidents TfMD4k8012y-00116-00029004-00029262 and then now that brings us to another TfMD4k8012y-00117-00029263-00029556 one about the smoking bill right and TfMD4k8012y-00118-00029557-00029886 there's there's several reasons why that TfMD4k8012y-00119-00029887-00030123 bill was brought into effect right and TfMD4k8012y-00120-00030124-00030408 and Debbie to be clear that bill was TfMD4k8012y-00121-00030408-00030606 actually the changing of the age from TfMD4k8012y-00122-00030607-00030885 smoking illegal smoking from 18 to 21 TfMD4k8012y-00123-00030886-00031131 was done to federal level the federal TfMD4k8012y-00124-00031132-00031347 government did it this year and the TfMD4k8012y-00125-00031348-00031587 reason in Indiana matched the federal TfMD4k8012y-00126-00031588-00031908 law was because in a lot of cases we do TfMD4k8012y-00127-00031908-00032145 that with matching the federal law but TfMD4k8012y-00128-00032145-00032454 our penalties had to be the same as the TfMD4k8012y-00129-00032455-00032679 federal law so instead of someone TfMD4k8012y-00130-00032680-00032931 selling to someone under age 18 they had TfMD4k8012y-00131-00032932-00033065 to be changed to someone selling someone TfMD4k8012y-00132-00033066-00033393 under age 21 and you know we aren't a TfMD4k8012y-00133-00033394-00033576 lot of testimony on that bill as well TfMD4k8012y-00134-00033577-00033753 and I heard from constituents some of TfMD4k8012y-00135-00033754-00033969 them felt like it was an overreach and TfMD4k8012y-00136-00033970-00034251 that you shouldn't go there but I can TfMD4k8012y-00137-00034252-00034470 tell you that the big factor and why we TfMD4k8012y-00138-00034471-00034857 changed it I like to travel about and TfMD4k8012y-00139-00034858-00035205 and visit my schools I'd like to have TfMD4k8012y-00140-00035206-00035385 lunch with my seniors and I like to just TfMD4k8012y-00141-00035386-00035580 talk to them with the administrators and TfMD4k8012y-00142-00035581-00035721 I always ask them what's your biggest TfMD4k8012y-00143-00035722-00035889 challenge in the school what's the TfMD4k8012y-00144-00035890-00036180 biggest problem and every time every TfMD4k8012y-00145-00036181-00036444 school says vaping anything biggest TfMD4k8012y-00146-00036445-00036636 problem and they tell me it goes all the TfMD4k8012y-00147-00036637-00036870 way down into elementary school and so I TfMD4k8012y-00148-00036871-00037224 said well what's the solution I said TfMD4k8012y-00149-00037225-00037496 raise the age to be able to buy it I TfMD4k8012y-00150-00037497-00037692 said what I can't afford another TfMD4k8012y-00151-00037693-00037914 category but elementary school school TfMD4k8012y-00152-00037915-00038127 child or middle school child they can't TfMD4k8012y-00153-00038128-00038310 buy it I said but their older siblings TfMD4k8012y-00154-00038311-00038455 are buying it that living TfMD4k8012y-00155-00038456-00038788 and they're giving it to them so that TfMD4k8012y-00156-00038789-00039055 was a situation where when we raise the TfMD4k8012y-00157-00039056-00039361 age we're hopefully we can keep it out TfMD4k8012y-00158-00039362-00039554 of the hands of these young people whose TfMD4k8012y-00159-00039555-00039727 brains are still developing and they're TfMD4k8012y-00160-00039728-00040151 addicted to nicotine it's terrible so TfMD4k8012y-00161-00040152-00040396 hopefully that'll work I've heard folks TfMD4k8012y-00162-00040397-00040591 and you have two most likely that said TfMD4k8012y-00163-00040592-00040832 well if you could serve your country and TfMD4k8012y-00164-00040833-00040996 age 18 you want to be able to smoke at TfMD4k8012y-00165-00040997-00041383 age 18 and I can tell you that the the TfMD4k8012y-00166-00041384-00041557 military testified in our committee that TfMD4k8012y-00167-00041558-00041701 they didn't want any of their soldiers TfMD4k8012y-00168-00041702-00041995 smoking and so I think it's probably TfMD4k8012y-00169-00041996-00042226 that was again one of those factors that TfMD4k8012y-00170-00042227-00042580 helped me support the legislation well I TfMD4k8012y-00171-00042581-00042738 can't imagine somebody in the military TfMD4k8012y-00172-00042739-00043085 running ten miles and smoking it's make TfMD4k8012y-00173-00043086-00043621 it awfully difficult so as a as a TfMD4k8012y-00174-00043622-00043904 grandfather I cannot imagine one of my TfMD4k8012y-00175-00043905-00044092 grandchildren telling me that they TfMD4k8012y-00176-00044093-00044285 started smoking today and me being happy TfMD4k8012y-00177-00044286-00044662 about it so I certainly I want to TfMD4k8012y-00178-00044663-00044977 protect them and and but the vaping was TfMD4k8012y-00179-00044978-00045385 a huge issue it has to be so that'll be TfMD4k8012y-00180-00045386-00045574 a good thing for the high schools hope TfMD4k8012y-00181-00045575-00045848 it works it will definitely have an TfMD4k8012y-00182-00045849-00046024 effect we'll find out there you'll never TfMD4k8012y-00183-00046025-00046219 eliminate everything I don't think but TfMD4k8012y-00184-00046220-00046462 it will have a huge impact on their TfMD4k8012y-00185-00046463-00046762 ability to access baby wolf I know I TfMD4k8012y-00186-00046763-00047135 think oh yeah you'll definitely get it TfMD4k8012y-00187-00047136-00047451 within six months after school starts so TfMD4k8012y-00188-00047452-00047662 but now there's there's another thing TfMD4k8012y-00189-00047663-00047881 that's really cool hmm the farmers now TfMD4k8012y-00190-00047882-00048217 have another avenue to access health TfMD4k8012y-00191-00048218-00048398 insurance how do they do that TfMD4k8012y-00192-00048399-00048676 well they do it if our Bureau and by the TfMD4k8012y-00193-00048677-00048829 way India Farm Bureau is that excellent TfMD4k8012y-00194-00048830-00048946 organization that comes to the TfMD4k8012y-00195-00048947-00049198 Statehouse all the time and lets us know TfMD4k8012y-00196-00049199-00049408 what their opinion is on legislation and TfMD4k8012y-00197-00049409-00049639 where they wanted to they don't and they TfMD4k8012y-00198-00049640-00049801 brought us a bill this year that allows TfMD4k8012y-00199-00049802-00050146 Indiana Farm Bureau to sell life TfMD4k8012y-00200-00050147-00050518 insurance to farmers or members of any TfMD4k8012y-00201-00050519-00050911 Farm Bureau now they're not an insurance TfMD4k8012y-00202-00050912-00051212 agent so much as they are a ability to TfMD4k8012y-00203-00051213-00051395 sell the product someone else TfMD4k8012y-00204-00051396-00051711 the insurance company but we know that TfMD4k8012y-00205-00051712-00051899 it was successful and been used in TfMD4k8012y-00206-00051900-00052217 Tennessee and they have done very well TfMD4k8012y-00207-00052218-00052370 and it gives those farmers the TfMD4k8012y-00208-00052371-00052584 opportunity to have another option TfMD4k8012y-00209-00052585-00052742 besides going to the marketplace they at TfMD4k8012y-00210-00052743-00052935 their health care a lot of times we TfMD4k8012y-00211-00052936-00053124 heard that the health care just wasn't TfMD4k8012y-00212-00053125-00053310 there or what didn't didn't work for TfMD4k8012y-00213-00053311-00053537 them where it's too expensive and so TfMD4k8012y-00214-00053538-00053756 here's another option and that was it TfMD4k8012y-00215-00053757-00053904 that was a bill that I think pretty much TfMD4k8012y-00216-00053904-00054050 sailed through everybody wanted to see TfMD4k8012y-00217-00054051-00054311 that give those those folks another TfMD4k8012y-00218-00054312-00054510 option you get okay that'll be good TfMD4k8012y-00219-00054511-00054782 because they everybody needs it they do TfMD4k8012y-00220-00054783-00054974 and they need more options and this is TfMD4k8012y-00221-00054975-00055479 just one more option for them now TfMD4k8012y-00222-00055479-00055580 there's some other things that you've TfMD4k8012y-00223-00055581-00055899 got going on I guess more than just one TfMD4k8012y-00224-00055900-00056237 yeah and one of those is your summer TfMD4k8012y-00225-00056238-00056399 committee's Summer Study committee's TfMD4k8012y-00226-00056400-00056661 mm-hmm so maybe the way the Summer Study TfMD4k8012y-00227-00056662-00056819 committee's work is the Speaker of the TfMD4k8012y-00228-00056820-00056991 House and the President Pro Tem of the TfMD4k8012y-00229-00056991-00057275 Senate a sign your to a summer study TfMD4k8012y-00230-00057276-00057515 community or committees in some cases TfMD4k8012y-00231-00057516-00057854 and I chair the Veterans Affairs and TfMD4k8012y-00232-00057855-00058023 Public Safety Committee during this TfMD4k8012y-00233-00058024-00058274 session that doesn't necessarily mean I TfMD4k8012y-00234-00058275-00058442 would chair the Summer Study Committee TfMD4k8012y-00235-00058443-00058592 on Veterans Affairs Public Safety but I TfMD4k8012y-00236-00058593-00058797 have a last few years and I am again TfMD4k8012y-00237-00058798-00059075 this year and then I'm also on the roads TfMD4k8012y-00238-00059076-00059237 and transportation summer study TfMD4k8012y-00239-00059238-00059454 committee the integrated Public Safety TfMD4k8012y-00240-00059454-00059598 Commission and they homeland security TfMD4k8012y-00241-00059599-00059811 foundation set that forth yeah that's TfMD4k8012y-00242-00059812-00060044 that's a lot to have and it's a lot now TfMD4k8012y-00243-00060045-00060210 with all those Summer Study committee's TfMD4k8012y-00244-00060211-00060504 I don't think everybody understands why TfMD4k8012y-00245-00060504-00060699 there's a Summer Study Committee what TfMD4k8012y-00246-00060700-00061067 they do and why they're in place so can TfMD4k8012y-00247-00061068-00061229 you tell everybody what summer movie TfMD4k8012y-00248-00061230-00061521 Study Committee actually does right we TfMD4k8012y-00249-00061522-00061751 will take subjects that are assigned to TfMD4k8012y-00250-00061752-00061955 us we're not free to come up with our TfMD4k8012y-00251-00061956-00062243 own subject matter there's a group of TfMD4k8012y-00252-00062244-00062409 legislators called the Legislative TfMD4k8012y-00253-00062410-00062636 Council and the Legislative Council TfMD4k8012y-00254-00062637-00062963 determines what topics will be studied TfMD4k8012y-00255-00062964-00063273 in summer study committee at the end of TfMD4k8012y-00256-00063274-00063549 the summer study committee session TfMD4k8012y-00257-00063550-00063842 let's there be reports will be issued TfMD4k8012y-00258-00063843-00064136 and those reports will have the findings TfMD4k8012y-00259-00064137-00064221 of the committee TfMD4k8012y-00260-00064222-00064536 for that particular subject it's pretty TfMD4k8012y-00261-00064537-00064752 common for legislation to grow out of TfMD4k8012y-00262-00064753-00064863 that TfMD4k8012y-00263-00064864-00065103 once we've studied it we learned that TfMD4k8012y-00264-00065104-00065310 there is an issue and maybe we thought TfMD4k8012y-00265-00065311-00065496 we knew the right solution and maybe we TfMD4k8012y-00266-00065497-00065712 didn't and now we have done the TfMD4k8012y-00267-00065713-00066009 testimony and we've found that we do TfMD4k8012y-00268-00066010-00066327 have a viable option or options to work TfMD4k8012y-00269-00066328-00066543 with and so you'll see legislation grow TfMD4k8012y-00270-00066544-00066792 out of that the difference is in Summer TfMD4k8012y-00271-00066793-00066933 Study committee's the Senate and House TfMD4k8012y-00272-00066934-00067245 are one committee and during the session TfMD4k8012y-00273-00067246-00067407 they're in separate committees and in TfMD4k8012y-00274-00067408-00067614 separate chambers and so committees TfMD4k8012y-00275-00067615-00067896 larger will have Senate members from TfMD4k8012y-00276-00067897-00068118 both sides of the aisle House members TfMD4k8012y-00277-00068119-00068448 both sides they are and will be will be TfMD4k8012y-00278-00068449-00068697 studying the topics that were assigned TfMD4k8012y-00279-00068698-00068910 to us in this particular case is going TfMD4k8012y-00280-00068911-00069210 to be quite unique I don't believe has TfMD4k8012y-00281-00069211-00069399 ever happened before but we will be TfMD4k8012y-00282-00069400-00069807 using folks remotely if they wish TfMD4k8012y-00283-00069808-00070017 instead of being in the committee room TfMD4k8012y-00284-00070018-00070083 itself TfMD4k8012y-00285-00070084-00070467 they'll be live on a device iPad or TfMD4k8012y-00286-00070468-00070794 computer but there are folks who are TfMD4k8012y-00287-00070795-00071088 rightly so concerned with Coburn 19 and TfMD4k8012y-00288-00071089-00071313 so they will be able to be a part of TfMD4k8012y-00289-00071314-00071658 that committee and but do so from from TfMD4k8012y-00290-00071659-00071868 another location homework wherever they TfMD4k8012y-00291-00071869-00072327 wanted to be and then the topic that we TfMD4k8012y-00292-00072328-00072582 are signed and my committees assigned is TfMD4k8012y-00293-00072583-00072909 to evaluate different state agencies TfMD4k8012y-00294-00072910-00073227 that were assigned to me in their TfMD4k8012y-00295-00073228-00073530 response to Kovac 19 then you can TfMD4k8012y-00296-00073531-00073695 actually put together something that TfMD4k8012y-00297-00073696-00073929 worked this is what worked best that's TfMD4k8012y-00298-00073930-00074229 right and it's not designed to be TfMD4k8012y-00299-00074230-00074534 critical right it's not designed to TfMD4k8012y-00300-00074535-00074802 suggest that someone didn't do right or TfMD4k8012y-00301-00074803-00075057 well there was no playbook for coping 19 TfMD4k8012y-00302-00075058-00075279 we're doing as best we can and I know TfMD4k8012y-00303-00075280-00075480 you see it across the river in Kentucky TfMD4k8012y-00304-00075481-00075639 sitting Indian we're doing the best that TfMD4k8012y-00305-00075640-00075819 we can but we didn't have a playbook TfMD4k8012y-00306-00075820-00075993 what we're doing is writing a playbook TfMD4k8012y-00307-00075994-00076269 yes and so what we want to do is TfMD4k8012y-00308-00076270-00076488 evaluate various state agencies to see TfMD4k8012y-00309-00076489-00076755 how did they do and so the four agencies TfMD4k8012y-00310-00076756-00076899 that the Veterans Affairs the Public TfMD4k8012y-00311-00076900-00077064 Safety Committee everybody evaluate as TfMD4k8012y-00312-00077065-00077253 the Department of Veterans Affairs I TfMD4k8012y-00313-00077254-00077403 think you got a fellow from around here TfMD4k8012y-00314-00077404-00077445 named TfMD4k8012y-00315-00077446-00077730 Vito it works there and I think you'll TfMD4k8012y-00316-00077731-00077964 have plenty of statistics Joe will and TfMD4k8012y-00317-00077965-00078180 Dennis Weimer is the director and TfMD4k8012y-00318-00078181-00078393 they'll be working with us TfMD4k8012y-00319-00078394-00078548 then we have the Indiana State Police TfMD4k8012y-00320-00078549-00078783 the Commissioner of State Police says TfMD4k8012y-00321-00078784-00078981 Doug Carter and Doug will be very TfMD4k8012y-00322-00078982-00079218 helpful they're the Department of TfMD4k8012y-00323-00079219-00079365 Homeland Security TfMD4k8012y-00324-00079366-00079575 we'll be working with them and under TfMD4k8012y-00325-00079576-00079743 them as the Indiana State Fire Marshal's TfMD4k8012y-00326-00079744-00079923 Office that's a pretty big agency and TfMD4k8012y-00327-00079924-00080169 then the last one that we'll do the TfMD4k8012y-00328-00080170-00080394 floor that will do is Indian National TfMD4k8012y-00329-00080395-00080640 Guard if you can imagine that there's TfMD4k8012y-00330-00080641-00080949 going to be a lot of work to analyze an TfMD4k8012y-00331-00080950-00081099 agency of the size of the Indian TfMD4k8012y-00332-00081100-00081303 National Guard or any of State Police TfMD4k8012y-00333-00081304-00081516 for that matter so we're gonna have our TfMD4k8012y-00334-00081517-00081846 work cut out for us but our goal is to TfMD4k8012y-00335-00081847-00082155 simply say did we do well didn't we do TfMD4k8012y-00336-00082156-00082404 well if we did what did we do well what TfMD4k8012y-00337-00082405-00082542 should we have done what maybe what TfMD4k8012y-00338-00082543-00082746 shouldn't we have done what would you TfMD4k8012y-00339-00082747-00082923 change if you can do it again and we all TfMD4k8012y-00340-00082924-00083280 think things like that but it's just to TfMD4k8012y-00341-00083281-00083715 learn from how we responded so and I'm TfMD4k8012y-00342-00083716-00083898 also a I'm also on the roads and TfMD4k8012y-00343-00083899-00084048 transportation summer study committee TfMD4k8012y-00344-00084049-00084414 and we'll be evaluating in dot and your TfMD4k8012y-00345-00084415-00084627 beer and motor vehicles so I mean that TfMD4k8012y-00346-00084628-00084786 those are some of the biggest state TfMD4k8012y-00347-00084787-00085059 agencies there are in Indiana and then TfMD4k8012y-00348-00085060-00085311 we'll be a part of evaluating them so be TfMD4k8012y-00349-00085312-00085413 a busy TfMD4k8012y-00350-00085414-00085692 probably September and October but with TfMD4k8012y-00351-00085693-00086052 those all those state agencies each TfMD4k8012y-00352-00086053-00086340 county has a department so you're gonna TfMD4k8012y-00353-00086341-00086550 get more than just a state agency you're TfMD4k8012y-00354-00086551-00086802 gonna get all the county's input from TfMD4k8012y-00355-00086803-00086973 each department what they did that TfMD4k8012y-00356-00086974-00087219 worked best and I think that will really TfMD4k8012y-00357-00087220-00087497 benefit in a lot of ways they do Debbie TfMD4k8012y-00358-00087498-00087801 each county would have for instance the TfMD4k8012y-00359-00087802-00087945 end not would have a state highway TfMD4k8012y-00360-00087946-00088251 garage or something like that each TfMD4k8012y-00361-00088252-00088461 agency is very different in their task TfMD4k8012y-00362-00088462-00088701 is different and and so it's going to be TfMD4k8012y-00363-00088702-00088980 interesting to see what decisions they TfMD4k8012y-00364-00088981-00089237 made they have people working from home TfMD4k8012y-00365-00089238-00089484 did they continue to have people working TfMD4k8012y-00366-00089485-00089700 together in dock crews TfMD4k8012y-00367-00089701-00089850 you know they ride the truck together TfMD4k8012y-00368-00089851-00090012 and they work together so how do they TfMD4k8012y-00369-00090013-00090309 handle that be interesting to see State TfMD4k8012y-00370-00090310-00090546 Police you know they they usually are TfMD4k8012y-00371-00090547-00090753 pretty much by themselves or with one of TfMD4k8012y-00372-00090754-00090999 the trooper but they also do a you know TfMD4k8012y-00373-00091000-00091209 training and so on how to handle that so TfMD4k8012y-00374-00091210-00091532 be interesting to see I'm excited to TfMD4k8012y-00375-00091533-00091901 wade into it and by the end of October TfMD4k8012y-00376-00091902-00092136 we'll have to have our report finished TfMD4k8012y-00377-00092137-00092312 and submitted to the Legislative Council TfMD4k8012y-00378-00092313-00092634 before all the holidays come well and TfMD4k8012y-00379-00092635-00092874 shortly after election is organization TfMD4k8012y-00380-00092875-00093018 day and it's a first official day of TfMD4k8012y-00381-00093019-00093297 session so so it'll come around much TfMD4k8012y-00382-00093298-00093524 quicker than you think TfMD4k8012y-00383-00093525-00093729 well now is there anything else we need TfMD4k8012y-00384-00093730-00093921 to tell people about what's going on so TfMD4k8012y-00385-00093922-00094287 far we-well probably just the one to TfMD4k8012y-00386-00094288-00094548 thank everyone for their patience with TfMD4k8012y-00387-00094549-00094950 the covert 19 it's dangerous it's very TfMD4k8012y-00388-00094951-00095207 dangerous we've got hospitals in our TfMD4k8012y-00389-00095208-00095417 state right now they're at capacity TfMD4k8012y-00390-00095418-00095732 we've done I think a really good job I TfMD4k8012y-00391-00095733-00095912 think governor Holcomb some fabulous job TfMD4k8012y-00392-00095913-00096153 in guiding our state but on the same TfMD4k8012y-00393-00096154-00096411 hand we still have to continue to be TfMD4k8012y-00394-00096412-00096705 careful ourselves we need to continue to TfMD4k8012y-00395-00096706-00096960 social distance as we are here and and TfMD4k8012y-00396-00096961-00097353 when you're in public group certainly TfMD4k8012y-00397-00097354-00097623 should wear a mask certainly continue to TfMD4k8012y-00398-00097624-00097850 wash your hands and I think good common TfMD4k8012y-00399-00097851-00098193 sense sometimes go a long way and we TfMD4k8012y-00400-00098194-00098405 protect one another and together we get TfMD4k8012y-00401-00098406-00098496 through all right TfMD4k8012y-00402-00098497-00098679 you know when I was a kid my grandmother TfMD4k8012y-00403-00098680-00098862 washed all the groceries that came in TfMD4k8012y-00404-00098863-00099042 the house and I never really understood TfMD4k8012y-00405-00099043-00099413 why she did that until this I mean and I TfMD4k8012y-00406-00099414-00099782 did do some of that as I grew up but not TfMD4k8012y-00407-00099783-00099883 like I do now TfMD4k8012y-00408-00099884-00100072 so everything that comes in the house TfMD4k8012y-00409-00100073-00100267 gets washed it certainly makes you think TfMD4k8012y-00410-00100268-00100579 it does it does so well this is TfMD4k8012y-00411-00100580-00100645 wonderful TfMD4k8012y-00412-00100646-00100858 you'll be back again I'm sure well if TfMD4k8012y-00413-00100859-00101023 you'll have us back we'll be like Oh TfMD4k8012y-00414-00101024-00101425 what have you back no problem TfMD4k8012y-00415-00101426-00101839 well thanks again and we are greatly TfMD4k8012y-00416-00101840-00102019 appreciate our sponsors for making all TfMD4k8012y-00417-00102020-00102214 of this possible and we thank you for TfMD4k8012y-00418-00102215-00102329 watching TfMD4k8012y-00419-00102330-00103513 [Music] TgFvVNI0frc-00000-00000020-00001266 [Music] TgFvVNI0frc-00001-00001267-00001507 if having missing teeth keeps you from TgFvVNI0frc-00002-00001508-00001663 smiling you'll be happy to know about TgFvVNI0frc-00003-00001664-00002030 the three best options to replace them TgFvVNI0frc-00004-00002032-00002398 is it first ceases with a personalized TgFvVNI0frc-00005-00002399-00002623 design made by your dentist in order to TgFvVNI0frc-00006-00002624-00003124 assemble your natural 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not going to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00014-00005384-00005670 be only the work of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00015-00005671-00005911 the leftist groups indonesia but all the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00016-00005912-00006159 leftist groups throughout the world TjcfNKjQ0Au-00017-00006160-00006439 so we need to discuss together all these TjcfNKjQ0Au-00018-00006440-00006567 issues TjcfNKjQ0Au-00019-00006568-00006678 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00020-00006679-00007046 to have i am going to give you just what TjcfNKjQ0Au-00021-00007047-00007246 is happening give you an opinion and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00022-00007247-00007439 we'd like to share the different TjcfNKjQ0Au-00023-00007440-00007551 opinions TjcfNKjQ0Au-00024-00007552-00007942 uh about what is happening in tunisia TjcfNKjQ0Au-00025-00007943-00008039 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00026-00008040-00008327 how things are going to to go on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00027-00008328-00008646 first of all you know that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00028-00008647-00008903 when the uprising or the revolution TjcfNKjQ0Au-00029-00008904-00009103 whatever you might call it happened in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00030-00009104-00009391 tunisia that there were different issues TjcfNKjQ0Au-00031-00009392-00009710 the first one is the social issue TjcfNKjQ0Au-00032-00009711-00009806 that's TjcfNKjQ0Au-00033-00009807-00009883 we TjcfNKjQ0Au-00034-00009884-00010119 have uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00035-00010120-00010399 unemployment rising prices rising TjcfNKjQ0Au-00036-00010400-00010655 inequality between the different regions TjcfNKjQ0Au-00037-00010656-00010735 so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00038-00010736-00010846 from TjcfNKjQ0Au-00039-00010847-00011087 the colonization until TjcfNKjQ0Au-00040-00011088-00011303 that was long time ago until the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00041-00011304-00011503 different governments in tunisia there TjcfNKjQ0Au-00042-00011504-00011742 was always a difference between the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00043-00011743-00011959 coast of tunisia and the interior parts TjcfNKjQ0Au-00044-00011960-00012287 of tunisia also another problem which is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00045-00012288-00012646 the problem of unemployment that caused TjcfNKjQ0Au-00046-00012647-00012902 many uprisings throughout the history of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00047-00012903-00013263 tunisia that was an uprising in 1978 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00048-00013263-00013686 1984 in 2008 with the mining region and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00049-00013687-00013958 the last one is insidious and in city TjcfNKjQ0Au-00050-00013959-00014303 busy it is one of the poorest regions in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00051-00014304-00014591 tunisia where you have high unemployment TjcfNKjQ0Au-00052-00014591-00014799 high school dropouts TjcfNKjQ0Au-00053-00014800-00015015 where the level of unemployment reaches TjcfNKjQ0Au-00054-00015016-00015350 about 30 to 35 percent the number of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00055-00015351-00015750 school dropouts reaches about 40 percent TjcfNKjQ0Au-00056-00015751-00015894 where you have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00057-00015895-00015991 women TjcfNKjQ0Au-00058-00015991-00016343 out of work about 50 percent where you TjcfNKjQ0Au-00059-00016344-00016567 have those who have got certificates and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00060-00016568-00016863 those who have got university degrees TjcfNKjQ0Au-00061-00016864-00017079 many of them are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00062-00017080-00017327 right they didn't get a job and many of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00063-00017328-00017615 them are unemployed now this is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00064-00017616-00017935 the first thing was the social issue TjcfNKjQ0Au-00065-00017936-00018158 that was the first the beginning of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00066-00018159-00018430 revolution now what happened later on is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00067-00018431-00018719 that the civil rights movement the civil TjcfNKjQ0Au-00068-00018720-00018911 rights activists the trade union TjcfNKjQ0Au-00069-00018912-00019327 activists they have given an overall TjcfNKjQ0Au-00070-00019328-00019463 to this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00071-00019464-00019807 uprising to make of it a revolution TjcfNKjQ0Au-00072-00019808-00020039 first of all to ask ben ali and his TjcfNKjQ0Au-00073-00020040-00020319 group to leave to the gash that's the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00074-00020320-00020550 the the thing that's what what they have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00075-00020551-00020639 said TjcfNKjQ0Au-00076-00020640-00020799 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00077-00020800-00021063 to ask for TjcfNKjQ0Au-00078-00021064-00021143 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00079-00021144-00021294 for the most TjcfNKjQ0Au-00080-00021295-00021607 important rights first of all the right TjcfNKjQ0Au-00081-00021608-00021871 to dignity the right to to have a job TjcfNKjQ0Au-00082-00021872-00022103 the right to democracy the the right to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00083-00022104-00022294 freedom the right to equality between TjcfNKjQ0Au-00084-00022295-00022575 men and women so those are the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00085-00022576-00022927 fundamental slogans of the revolution to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00086-00022928-00023103 ask bernalillo de grace and his party TjcfNKjQ0Au-00087-00023104-00023430 digas why because this party is supposed TjcfNKjQ0Au-00088-00023431-00023622 not only to be a political party that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00089-00023623-00023767 repressed people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00090-00023768-00024142 not only through a security system that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00091-00024143-00024294 is one of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00092-00024295-00024494 most frightful systems in the whole TjcfNKjQ0Au-00093-00024495-00024607 region TjcfNKjQ0Au-00094-00024608-00024950 that's one so a judicial system where TjcfNKjQ0Au-00095-00024951-00025183 the judges most of them are corrupt and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00096-00025184-00025439 through a media that is always in the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00097-00025440-00025678 hands of the government so that's was TjcfNKjQ0Au-00098-00025679-00025822 the system through which ben ali TjcfNKjQ0Au-00099-00025823-00026046 governed but at the same time through a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00100-00026047-00026279 mafia which took the economy in its TjcfNKjQ0Au-00101-00026280-00026390 hands TjcfNKjQ0Au-00102-00026391-00026783 leaving tunisia in poverty so the issues TjcfNKjQ0Au-00103-00026783-00026983 these issues have been risen during the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00104-00026983-00027231 revolution now the situation TjcfNKjQ0Au-00105-00027232-00027558 so that's what people asked for dignity TjcfNKjQ0Au-00106-00027560-00027983 jobs liberty uh freedom of the press a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00107-00027983-00028223 freedom of the civil society jobs for TjcfNKjQ0Au-00108-00028224-00028502 the unemployed etc TjcfNKjQ0Au-00109-00028504-00028662 after bin ali left and you know the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00110-00028663-00028855 conditions in which they were left there TjcfNKjQ0Au-00111-00028856-00029199 were many uh challenges to the to the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00112-00029200-00029390 new the first of all was the challenge TjcfNKjQ0Au-00113-00029391-00029574 of the elections TjcfNKjQ0Au-00114-00029575-00029783 the election we had TjcfNKjQ0Au-00115-00029783-00029983 quite a fair TjcfNKjQ0Au-00116-00029983-00030270 election we must admit that but the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00117-00030272-00030567 outcome of the election does not TjcfNKjQ0Au-00118-00030568-00030655 match TjcfNKjQ0Au-00119-00030656-00030751 with TjcfNKjQ0Au-00120-00030752-00030958 the outcome of the revolution so there TjcfNKjQ0Au-00121-00030960-00031167 is a bit of contradiction between both TjcfNKjQ0Au-00122-00031168-00031390 and this is quite many people sees it we TjcfNKjQ0Au-00123-00031391-00031527 are going to discuss it i'd like to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00124-00031527-00031846 discuss it after with you it is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00125-00031847-00032039 quite normal because those who did the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00126-00032039-00032279 revolution are not always those who are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00127-00032280-00032574 always electing people so those who did TjcfNKjQ0Au-00128-00032575-00032799 the evolution there were hundreds of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00129-00032800-00032951 thousands of people they are not the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00130-00032952-00033207 millions of people who want to vote and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00131-00033208-00033431 we are going to discuss later on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00132-00033432-00033679 the outcome of this now a year after TjcfNKjQ0Au-00133-00033680-00033767 this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00134-00033768-00034135 the the situation is not so good it's TjcfNKjQ0Au-00135-00034136-00034407 promising but at the same time there are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00136-00034408-00034567 a lot of dangers TjcfNKjQ0Au-00137-00034568-00034767 it's promising because we have a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00138-00034768-00035046 resilient quite strong civil society TjcfNKjQ0Au-00139-00035047-00035302 that is still fighting for TjcfNKjQ0Au-00140-00035303-00035527 the rights that we had to keep on with TjcfNKjQ0Au-00141-00035528-00035767 the rights you know for example that the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00142-00035768-00036143 tunisian country is the country that has TjcfNKjQ0Au-00143-00036144-00036327 the first country in the arab world that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00144-00036328-00036702 has banned polygamy since the 1956. it TjcfNKjQ0Au-00145-00036703-00036983 is the first country that allowed TjcfNKjQ0Au-00146-00036984-00037239 abortion since 1973 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00147-00037240-00037439 it's the first country that has a human TjcfNKjQ0Au-00148-00037440-00037735 rights league since the the 1970s in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00149-00037736-00038039 africa and in the arab country now this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00150-00038040-00038287 resilient civil society we have a trade TjcfNKjQ0Au-00151-00038288-00038543 union a strong trade union that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00152-00038544-00038727 collaborates very well with all the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00153-00038728-00039030 civil society and it has a tradition of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00154-00039031-00039415 reward and of rebellion every time there TjcfNKjQ0Au-00155-00039416-00039662 is a problem that concerns the workers TjcfNKjQ0Au-00156-00039663-00039879 whether it is the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00157-00039880-00040207 structural adjustment plan or the rising TjcfNKjQ0Au-00158-00040208-00040487 of prices or the releasing of workers TjcfNKjQ0Au-00159-00040488-00040807 there is always the trade union which is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00160-00040808-00041118 which is always there and we found TjcfNKjQ0Au-00161-00041119-00041367 we human rights activists in the trade TjcfNKjQ0Au-00162-00041368-00041630 union locals the place where we start TjcfNKjQ0Au-00163-00041631-00041862 revolt from and the place where there TjcfNKjQ0Au-00164-00041863-00042055 were strikes and where there were TjcfNKjQ0Au-00165-00042056-00042351 meetings after a year now of this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00166-00042352-00042615 revolution the economic situation is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00167-00042616-00042967 still very very bad TjcfNKjQ0Au-00168-00042968-00043262 and very bad because of two things the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00169-00043263-00043502 first thing is that the sit-ins and the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00170-00043503-00043727 problems and the expectations of people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00171-00043728-00044039 are not yet met people who were asking TjcfNKjQ0Au-00172-00044040-00044455 for jobs they didn't have jobs TjcfNKjQ0Au-00173-00044456-00044607 so far TjcfNKjQ0Au-00174-00044608-00044807 sit-ins continue TjcfNKjQ0Au-00175-00044808-00044887 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00176-00044888-00045151 also the problems the services the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00177-00045152-00045462 revolts etc have created more TjcfNKjQ0Au-00178-00045463-00045846 unemployment now we have about 300 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00179-00045847-00046199 000 people more unemployed than before TjcfNKjQ0Au-00180-00046200-00046558 we have about 40 percent less of risky TjcfNKjQ0Au-00181-00046559-00046902 receipts of tourism less we have still TjcfNKjQ0Au-00182-00046903-00047230 because the government so far didn't TjcfNKjQ0Au-00183-00047231-00047511 answer the expectations of people and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00184-00047512-00047774 it's difficult for a government that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00185-00047775-00048046 pretends to keep on with the same TjcfNKjQ0Au-00186-00048047-00048279 capitalist TjcfNKjQ0Au-00187-00048280-00048607 principles to try to solve a solution so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00188-00048608-00048927 that's that's that's one factor TjcfNKjQ0Au-00189-00048928-00049199 so that that has contributed to more TjcfNKjQ0Au-00190-00049200-00049590 social problems now in tunisia the also TjcfNKjQ0Au-00191-00049591-00049855 the the uh the democratic and civil TjcfNKjQ0Au-00192-00049856-00050207 rights we find now problems mainly TjcfNKjQ0Au-00193-00050208-00050567 raised by the salafist groups those who TjcfNKjQ0Au-00194-00050568-00050879 were under benelli cut and put in prison TjcfNKjQ0Au-00195-00050880-00051167 because of their principles because of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00196-00051168-00051430 they've been tortured etc now these TjcfNKjQ0Au-00197-00051432-00051582 people come out TjcfNKjQ0Au-00198-00051583-00051870 of the blue there are thousands of them TjcfNKjQ0Au-00199-00051871-00052207 and they try to find a food in the in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00200-00052208-00052438 the revolution now the reaction of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00201-00052439-00052630 government to that and these selfish TjcfNKjQ0Au-00202-00052632-00052863 groups first of all you know they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00203-00052864-00053054 they believe in the salaf and the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00204-00053055-00053399 predecessor etc they threaten people and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00205-00053400-00053687 their basic rights they threaten tourism TjcfNKjQ0Au-00206-00053688-00053766 too TjcfNKjQ0Au-00207-00053767-00054023 they use they try to force TjcfNKjQ0Au-00208-00054024-00054303 young girls to to put on the kneecap et TjcfNKjQ0Au-00209-00054304-00054519 cetera et cetera et cetera they organize TjcfNKjQ0Au-00210-00054520-00054703 sit-ins in the university in order to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00211-00054704-00054863 separate between TjcfNKjQ0Au-00212-00054864-00055079 between girls and boys etc now the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00213-00055079-00055279 reaction of the government is not is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00214-00055279-00055526 still a soft reaction and we have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00215-00055527-00055791 explanation to that it's because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00216-00055791-00056071 most of the islamist groups TjcfNKjQ0Au-00217-00056072-00056311 that especially the islamist group that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00218-00056312-00056599 takes the power now does not TjcfNKjQ0Au-00219-00056600-00056791 try to solve TjcfNKjQ0Au-00220-00056791-00056975 or to be rough TjcfNKjQ0Au-00221-00056976-00057335 on those selfies because they are part TjcfNKjQ0Au-00222-00057336-00057647 of their platform they're part of their TjcfNKjQ0Au-00223-00057648-00057999 background militants down on the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00224-00058000-00058182 so the mill and the militants on the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00225-00058183-00058350 ground you do not make a difference TjcfNKjQ0Au-00226-00058351-00058575 match between those who belong to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00227-00058576-00058830 another and those two who belong to the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00228-00058832-00059087 salafist groups now this is threatening TjcfNKjQ0Au-00229-00059088-00059375 to the to this the to the civil society TjcfNKjQ0Au-00230-00059376-00059663 this threat is threatening to democracy TjcfNKjQ0Au-00231-00059664-00059879 this threatening even to the principles TjcfNKjQ0Au-00232-00059879-00060223 of the revolution now but that's not TjcfNKjQ0Au-00233-00060224-00060454 the only they are not the only players TjcfNKjQ0Au-00234-00060455-00060671 we organized many meetings we are gonna TjcfNKjQ0Au-00235-00060672-00060894 we try to defend ourselves also the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00236-00060895-00061126 media they have been attacked TjcfNKjQ0Au-00237-00061127-00061359 because it seems that the government TjcfNKjQ0Au-00238-00061360-00061519 does not make a difference between a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00239-00061520-00061775 media that is free and a media that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00240-00061776-00061991 speaks in the name of the government so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00241-00061991-00062206 the media has reacted the women have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00242-00062207-00062519 reacted to that there was there was we TjcfNKjQ0Au-00243-00062520-00062726 suggested even an alternative TjcfNKjQ0Au-00244-00062727-00062975 constitution where you guarantee the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00245-00062976-00063215 rights one of the first fundamental TjcfNKjQ0Au-00246-00063216-00063423 rights and we are backed by the trade TjcfNKjQ0Au-00247-00063424-00063719 unions which is the right to have a job TjcfNKjQ0Au-00248-00063720-00064047 we like to introduce that among in the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00249-00064048-00064319 constitution equality between men and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00250-00064320-00064494 women we try to put it in the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00251-00064495-00064711 constitution and to force things and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00252-00064712-00064975 what is helping us is that there is a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00253-00064976-00065175 group of democratic groups TjcfNKjQ0Au-00254-00065176-00065471 there is a group of democrats in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00255-00065472-00065638 the constituency TjcfNKjQ0Au-00256-00065639-00065943 and also another cannot work by itself TjcfNKjQ0Au-00257-00065944-00066119 because it does not although it has the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00258-00066120-00066399 majority it cannot work without a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00259-00066400-00066663 coalition so we rely on that on the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00260-00066664-00066863 friction among the coalition in order to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00261-00066864-00067103 introduce the most fundamental rights TjcfNKjQ0Au-00262-00067104-00067255 the rights TjcfNKjQ0Au-00263-00067256-00067519 the right uh to have a job the right to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00264-00067520-00067799 the original equality the right to have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00265-00067800-00067982 equality between TjcfNKjQ0Au-00266-00067983-00068326 men and women and the right to have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00267-00068327-00068550 freedom and the right the freedom of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00268-00068551-00068694 press and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00269-00068695-00068991 to have a transitional justice because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00270-00068992-00069326 that's one of the most important things TjcfNKjQ0Au-00271-00069327-00069711 transitional justice that is going to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00272-00069712-00069799 tax TjcfNKjQ0Au-00273-00069800-00070247 those who were responsible for torture TjcfNKjQ0Au-00274-00070248-00070719 before establishing a sort of uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00275-00070720-00071006 right alien between different people and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00276-00071007-00071150 pardon between different people but TjcfNKjQ0Au-00277-00071151-00071375 before that there should be TjcfNKjQ0Au-00278-00071376-00071719 there should be a right transitional TjcfNKjQ0Au-00279-00071720-00071950 justice that is worth it that is going TjcfNKjQ0Au-00280-00071951-00072215 to everyone who is you know many people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00281-00072216-00072479 were tortured many people died TjcfNKjQ0Au-00282-00072480-00072647 in torture many people have been TjcfNKjQ0Au-00283-00072648-00072838 followed harassed by the police many TjcfNKjQ0Au-00284-00072839-00073023 people were kept sickest rated in their TjcfNKjQ0Au-00285-00073024-00073359 house four months and four years and all TjcfNKjQ0Au-00286-00073360-00073582 these they need we need to uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00287-00073583-00073911 traditional transitional justice that is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00288-00073912-00074191 going to talk about that to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00289-00074192-00074415 to have that to bring those people to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00290-00074416-00074806 court and to have a judicial system that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00291-00074807-00074894 is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00292-00074895-00075094 really independent TjcfNKjQ0Au-00293-00075095-00075343 out from the government and from anybody TjcfNKjQ0Au-00294-00075344-00076391 else TjcfNKjQ0Au-00295-00076392-00076623 because as i said the social aspect was TjcfNKjQ0Au-00296-00076624-00076838 the first that triggered the revolution TjcfNKjQ0Au-00297-00076839-00077006 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00298-00077007-00077350 people started because of the social TjcfNKjQ0Au-00299-00077351-00077647 problems so the political problem is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00300-00077648-00077847 only does not mean that it's not TjcfNKjQ0Au-00301-00077848-00078150 important but it means that in tunisia TjcfNKjQ0Au-00302-00078151-00078391 after a vacuum and an absence of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00303-00078392-00078638 politics for so many years TjcfNKjQ0Au-00304-00078639-00078871 only the elite through the associations TjcfNKjQ0Au-00305-00078872-00079167 and the trade union have kept with the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00306-00079168-00079431 political ideas so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00307-00079432-00079743 and only the leftist groups have got TjcfNKjQ0Au-00308-00079744-00080006 this idea of politics the islamist TjcfNKjQ0Au-00309-00080007-00080215 groups through history TjcfNKjQ0Au-00310-00080216-00080503 in tunisia where people who were asking TjcfNKjQ0Au-00311-00080504-00080799 for power they didn't contribute to the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00312-00080800-00080975 social issues TjcfNKjQ0Au-00313-00080976-00081350 so so this is this is why the social TjcfNKjQ0Au-00314-00081351-00081582 issue is the most important thing it TjcfNKjQ0Au-00315-00081583-00081799 started a revolution there was a general TjcfNKjQ0Au-00316-00081800-00082015 strike in 1978 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00317-00082016-00082326 in tunisia with many people dead because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00318-00082327-00082511 of the reaction of the government there TjcfNKjQ0Au-00319-00082512-00082694 is another reaction there was another TjcfNKjQ0Au-00320-00082695-00082982 one when there was the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00321-00082983-00083323 structural adjustment plan in 1940 in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00322-00083324-00083655 1984 where there were many people also TjcfNKjQ0Au-00323-00083656-00083950 dead there that was well it just it was TjcfNKjQ0Au-00324-00083951-00084159 called the revolt of bread because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00325-00084160-00084367 people reacted when the prices of bread TjcfNKjQ0Au-00326-00084368-00084694 has got uh as have gone up and there was TjcfNKjQ0Au-00327-00084695-00085055 another one which is in 2008 another TjcfNKjQ0Au-00328-00085056-00085294 milestone where people were entered and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00329-00085295-00085575 where people were were dead and people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00330-00085576-00085959 were asking for regional equality were TjcfNKjQ0Au-00331-00085960-00086247 asking for full employment were asking TjcfNKjQ0Au-00332-00086248-00086550 for the end of corruption because we had TjcfNKjQ0Au-00333-00086551-00086855 a very very corrupt regime which TjcfNKjQ0Au-00334-00086856-00087094 everybody those who were dealing with TjcfNKjQ0Au-00335-00087095-00087318 politics as those who did not deal with TjcfNKjQ0Au-00336-00087319-00087606 politics know that we were governed by a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00337-00087607-00087791 sort of mafia TjcfNKjQ0Au-00338-00087792-00087975 a mafia which TjcfNKjQ0Au-00339-00087976-00088262 has done of privatization a way to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00340-00088263-00088455 gather on and to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00341-00088456-00088726 accumulate wealth throw TjcfNKjQ0Au-00342-00088727-00088950 so you know what happens they take a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00343-00088951-00089167 sector they privatize it before they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00344-00089168-00089399 privatize it what what they did the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00345-00089400-00089615 first thing is that they change TjcfNKjQ0Au-00346-00089616-00089823 and they put new machines that the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00347-00089824-00089967 government is going to pay the new TjcfNKjQ0Au-00348-00089968-00090271 machines and then they are going to sell TjcfNKjQ0Au-00349-00090272-00090694 it and then who is going to sell it TjcfNKjQ0Au-00350-00090695-00090999 to whom the to those people to those uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00351-00091000-00091255 either his own laws or his family or his TjcfNKjQ0Au-00352-00091256-00091447 brother or his sister or those who are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00353-00091448-00091735 people who are around him so corruption TjcfNKjQ0Au-00354-00091736-00092111 was a sign a very important sign and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00355-00092112-00092247 corruption TjcfNKjQ0Au-00356-00092248-00092391 has led TjcfNKjQ0Au-00357-00092392-00092855 to i think that's my opinion to the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00358-00092856-00093174 election of the islamists why because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00359-00093175-00093462 islamist groups have insisted on one TjcfNKjQ0Au-00360-00093463-00093743 thing which is the moral issue TjcfNKjQ0Au-00361-00093744-00093991 so people with morals are not going to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00362-00093992-00094247 be to be people who are going to to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00363-00094248-00094535 steal or to get the money or to take TjcfNKjQ0Au-00364-00094536-00094806 privatize and taken their products so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00365-00094807-00095087 this is one issue the second issue is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00366-00095088-00095343 that even after the revolution the trade TjcfNKjQ0Au-00367-00095344-00095615 union groups the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00368-00095616-00095855 the civil rights activists the human TjcfNKjQ0Au-00369-00095856-00096111 rights activists the women activists TjcfNKjQ0Au-00370-00096112-00096374 they have they didn't end with the 14th TjcfNKjQ0Au-00371-00096375-00096662 of january the 14th of january was the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00372-00096663-00096871 beginning of another movement the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00373-00096872-00097150 protests in order to get rid of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00374-00097151-00097406 political party in power which had got TjcfNKjQ0Au-00375-00097407-00097726 about two million people so they are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00376-00097727-00097950 they were outlawed they were they didn't TjcfNKjQ0Au-00377-00097951-00098182 have the they were most of them were TjcfNKjQ0Au-00378-00098183-00098487 pursued for what they did etc and they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00379-00098488-00098847 asked for a new constituency so that's TjcfNKjQ0Au-00380-00098848-00099223 the first thing but then later on it it TjcfNKjQ0Au-00381-00099224-00099287 is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00382-00099288-00099559 the the social issue is carried on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00383-00099560-00099655 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00384-00099656-00099767 why is gap TjcfNKjQ0Au-00385-00099768-00100111 i mean people had a lot of expectations TjcfNKjQ0Au-00386-00100112-00100367 you know for example and this is very TjcfNKjQ0Au-00387-00100368-00100487 sad to say TjcfNKjQ0Au-00388-00100488-00100767 that in march 2018 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00389-00100768-00101047 about 30 000 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00390-00101048-00101350 young people have illegally TjcfNKjQ0Au-00391-00101351-00101694 immigrated to europe many of them died TjcfNKjQ0Au-00392-00101695-00101959 in the sea and when you say immigrated i TjcfNKjQ0Au-00393-00101960-00102247 myself part of the social forum for the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00394-00102248-00102510 tunisian forum i went to visit those TjcfNKjQ0Au-00395-00102511-00102847 people and i find that most of them they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00396-00102848-00103158 take small boats originally meant for 10 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00397-00103159-00103382 people and 15 people and what do you TjcfNKjQ0Au-00398-00103383-00103839 find in it you find 170 180 young people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00399-00103840-00104151 most of them young and most of them are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00400-00104152-00104518 students and now some of them have got a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00401-00104519-00104710 university degree TjcfNKjQ0Au-00402-00104711-00104951 some women go there with babies because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00403-00104952-00105215 they like to join their husbands over TjcfNKjQ0Au-00404-00105216-00105558 there in italy so this is really a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00405-00105559-00105702 catastrophic TjcfNKjQ0Au-00406-00105703-00105999 thing the second social issue is that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00407-00106000-00106343 the refugees that come along from libya TjcfNKjQ0Au-00408-00106344-00106663 we have received about hundred thousand TjcfNKjQ0Au-00409-00106664-00106871 people you see the difference between us TjcfNKjQ0Au-00410-00106872-00107047 and the european countries we have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00411-00107048-00107263 received about seven hundred thousand TjcfNKjQ0Au-00412-00107264-00107575 people we have tried as civil rights TjcfNKjQ0Au-00413-00107576-00107895 movements and associations to find means TjcfNKjQ0Au-00414-00107896-00108102 in order to give them food in order to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00415-00108103-00108351 protect them and we send to europe about TjcfNKjQ0Au-00416-00108352-00108639 30 000 people and these people you would TjcfNKjQ0Au-00417-00108640-00109031 not fi most of them died and even until TjcfNKjQ0Au-00418-00109032-00109143 now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00419-00109144-00109534 they did not let us know who TjcfNKjQ0Au-00420-00109535-00109719 in this camps TjcfNKjQ0Au-00421-00109720-00109863 is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00422-00109864-00110119 alive and who is that still we have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00423-00110120-00110351 families now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00424-00110352-00110551 that don't know about TjcfNKjQ0Au-00425-00110552-00110743 the outcome of their children whether TjcfNKjQ0Au-00426-00110744-00111023 they've died or not i was speaking to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00427-00111024-00111134 my friends TjcfNKjQ0Au-00428-00111135-00111383 before i said i was speaking to a lady TjcfNKjQ0Au-00429-00111383-00111647 and was telling and she said to me that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00430-00111648-00111958 she's she she will never eat fish TjcfNKjQ0Au-00431-00111959-00112190 because she knows that her two children TjcfNKjQ0Au-00432-00112191-00112358 died in the sea TjcfNKjQ0Au-00433-00112359-00112671 right and is being eaten by the v now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00434-00112672-00112951 this is one of the other issues other TjcfNKjQ0Au-00435-00112952-00113199 issues other social issues is the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00436-00113200-00113439 increasing in employment now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00437-00113440-00113871 in 2010 example we had a growth of three TjcfNKjQ0Au-00438-00113872-00114151 percent which is a bit low now we have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00439-00114152-00114366 zero percent growth TjcfNKjQ0Au-00440-00114367-00114678 with sit-ins etc many companies that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00441-00114679-00114910 have been in tunisia they have left TjcfNKjQ0Au-00442-00114911-00115102 because of sit-ins the problem of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00443-00115103-00115399 tourism we have a lot of problems and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00444-00115400-00115566 the main thing TjcfNKjQ0Au-00445-00115567-00115671 is that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00446-00115672-00115886 this government TjcfNKjQ0Au-00447-00115888-00116254 does not have a solution to the these TjcfNKjQ0Au-00448-00116255-00116471 economic problems TjcfNKjQ0Au-00449-00116472-00116551 so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00450-00116552-00116775 regional in inequality is the main TjcfNKjQ0Au-00451-00116776-00116999 problem and its cause TjcfNKjQ0Au-00452-00117000-00117223 it causes many revolts throughout the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00453-00117224-00117439 history of tunisia because it's a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00454-00117440-00117695 tradition now if we give you the map of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00455-00117696-00117966 tunisia you can in the coast TjcfNKjQ0Au-00456-00117967-00118119 so the colonization the french TjcfNKjQ0Au-00457-00118120-00118319 colonization that had been before they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00458-00118320-00118495 have been settled business and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00459-00118496-00118695 everything and enterprise on the coast TjcfNKjQ0Au-00460-00118696-00118854 the different governments that came TjcfNKjQ0Au-00461-00118855-00119102 after they continued on the same trade TjcfNKjQ0Au-00462-00119103-00119310 so you had the interior regions like TjcfNKjQ0Au-00463-00119311-00119551 city buses where the the revolt started TjcfNKjQ0Au-00464-00119552-00119863 like gafsa in the southwest where the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00465-00119864-00120166 revolt in 2008 started you have all this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00466-00120167-00120343 religion lacking TjcfNKjQ0Au-00467-00120344-00120583 infrastructure TjcfNKjQ0Au-00468-00120583-00120839 employment lacking everything and you TjcfNKjQ0Au-00469-00120840-00121358 have rising poverty of between 20 and 30 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00470-00121359-00121710 poverty as opposed to the cost so these TjcfNKjQ0Au-00471-00121711-00122123 issues with employment we have about TjcfNKjQ0Au-00472-00122124-00122543 250 000 people with a university degree TjcfNKjQ0Au-00473-00122544-00122831 who don't have jobs and every year we TjcfNKjQ0Au-00474-00122832-00122951 have about TjcfNKjQ0Au-00475-00122952-00123319 something like 40 000 young degree TjcfNKjQ0Au-00476-00123320-00123558 young people who have got degree most of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00477-00123559-00123639 them TjcfNKjQ0Au-00478-00123640-00124039 girls and they don't find jobs so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00479-00124040-00124295 addressing this issue how is the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00480-00124296-00124454 government going to face that the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00481-00124455-00124566 government TjcfNKjQ0Au-00482-00124567-00124983 has a political plan which is to try to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00483-00124983-00125190 govern the country TjcfNKjQ0Au-00484-00125191-00125439 they give promises they give promises TjcfNKjQ0Au-00485-00125440-00125623 during the election that they are going TjcfNKjQ0Au-00486-00125624-00125902 to find jobs that the gulf countries uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00487-00125903-00126134 is are going to help them TjcfNKjQ0Au-00488-00126135-00126343 that they are no longer going to rely on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00489-00126344-00126590 the west but on eastern countries TjcfNKjQ0Au-00490-00126591-00126814 regions of the gulf but later on their TjcfNKjQ0Au-00491-00126815-00127054 expectations didn't come TjcfNKjQ0Au-00492-00127055-00127247 right they didn't find an answer to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00493-00127248-00127414 these problems and they continue with TjcfNKjQ0Au-00494-00127415-00127671 the same thing and there is this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00495-00127672-00127863 government is dominated by islamic TjcfNKjQ0Au-00496-00127864-00128151 groups and honestly these islamic groups TjcfNKjQ0Au-00497-00128152-00128254 do not TjcfNKjQ0Au-00498-00128255-00128431 have an answer TjcfNKjQ0Au-00499-00128432-00128775 to the social problems why because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00500-00128776-00128958 they continue with the same capitalist TjcfNKjQ0Au-00501-00128959-00129047 trend TjcfNKjQ0Au-00502-00129048-00129271 and for poverty they have just one TjcfNKjQ0Au-00503-00129272-00129575 answer which is to give charity to the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00504-00129576-00129823 other people so they don't have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00505-00129824-00130127 their they don't believe in so some type TjcfNKjQ0Au-00506-00130128-00130431 of social equality or whatever they have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00507-00130432-00130654 only that else and they like to continue TjcfNKjQ0Au-00508-00130655-00130839 with the same trend with the other TjcfNKjQ0Au-00509-00130840-00130975 governments TjcfNKjQ0Au-00510-00130976-00131247 what happened with the with benelli etc TjcfNKjQ0Au-00511-00131248-00131399 now this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00512-00131400-00131631 is not going to solve problem and in the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00513-00131632-00131854 long run is going to create problem the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00514-00131855-00132078 same as it created a problem through TjcfNKjQ0Au-00515-00132079-00132366 this every time i tell you something TjcfNKjQ0Au-00516-00132367-00132678 it's funny but it's like this every time TjcfNKjQ0Au-00517-00132679-00132935 the imf and the world bank intervenes in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00518-00132936-00133151 tunisia in order to put pressure on the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00519-00133152-00133407 government to privatize what happens if TjcfNKjQ0Au-00520-00133408-00133671 that privatization go to the people that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00521-00133672-00133990 are very well affluent and at the same TjcfNKjQ0Au-00522-00133991-00134263 time they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00523-00134264-00134447 release workers TjcfNKjQ0Au-00524-00134448-00134727 there there are there is high prices and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00525-00134728-00135063 the uh the essential prices of food also TjcfNKjQ0Au-00526-00135064-00135351 go up and the reaction is that of trade TjcfNKjQ0Au-00527-00135352-00135687 union movement and association is that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00528-00135688-00135951 there was a contest and there was a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00529-00135952-00136327 revolt which is usually savagely TjcfNKjQ0Au-00530-00136328-00136519 repressed now the government the new TjcfNKjQ0Au-00531-00136520-00136735 government has two things other to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00532-00136736-00136983 address these issues which is going to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00533-00136984-00137278 be something very difficult due to the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00534-00137279-00137551 principles they have on the economy etc TjcfNKjQ0Au-00535-00137552-00137711 as they don't have an answer to this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00536-00137712-00138054 problem or to repress and we are going TjcfNKjQ0Au-00537-00138055-00138335 to come back to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00538-00138336-00138590 the old repressive ways but this time TjcfNKjQ0Au-00539-00138591-00138831 it's not going to work because there is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00540-00138832-00138943 one thing TjcfNKjQ0Au-00541-00138944-00139199 that happened in tunisia is that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00542-00139200-00139327 people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00543-00139328-00139735 have no problem of fear anymore TjcfNKjQ0Au-00544-00139736-00139831 so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00545-00139832-00140071 that at least is an optimistic side TjcfNKjQ0Au-00546-00140072-00141502 thank you TjcfNKjQ0Au-00547-00141503-00141647 the first thing TjcfNKjQ0Au-00548-00141648-00141863 is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00549-00141864-00142102 the majority of tunisians TjcfNKjQ0Au-00550-00142103-00142366 are muslims TjcfNKjQ0Au-00551-00142367-00142478 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00552-00142479-00142751 i don't think that we should TjcfNKjQ0Au-00553-00142752-00143151 mix between islamists and muslims TjcfNKjQ0Au-00554-00143152-00143414 muslims they are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00555-00143415-00143678 it's a religion TjcfNKjQ0Au-00556-00143679-00143966 they can have political views TjcfNKjQ0Au-00557-00143967-00144271 but does not mean necessarily a mixing TjcfNKjQ0Au-00558-00144272-00144551 between politics and religion TjcfNKjQ0Au-00559-00144552-00144726 to give you an example TjcfNKjQ0Au-00560-00144727-00145054 a concrete example my wife is a true TjcfNKjQ0Au-00561-00145055-00145335 muslim she prays five days TjcfNKjQ0Au-00562-00145336-00145639 five times a day but at the same time TjcfNKjQ0Au-00563-00145640-00145935 she does not believe in the veil TjcfNKjQ0Au-00564-00145936-00146031 she TjcfNKjQ0Au-00565-00146032-00146263 has no problem with TjcfNKjQ0Au-00566-00146264-00146575 my drinking habits she has TjcfNKjQ0Au-00567-00146576-00146663 she TjcfNKjQ0Au-00568-00146664-00146766 no but TjcfNKjQ0Au-00569-00146767-00146966 this is important because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00570-00146967-00147071 this uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00571-00147072-00147263 the islam we have seen TjcfNKjQ0Au-00572-00147264-00147702 in the 70s and 80s 90s is in islam that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00573-00147703-00148054 has does not refuse others TjcfNKjQ0Au-00574-00148055-00148431 an islam that is not mixed with politics TjcfNKjQ0Au-00575-00148432-00148671 and whereas in islamist so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00576-00148672-00149007 you we need this because uh sometimes TjcfNKjQ0Au-00577-00149008-00149243 the reaction to what is to this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00578-00149244-00149583 islamophobia that exists there is always TjcfNKjQ0Au-00579-00149584-00149743 sometimes they felt that there is a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00580-00149744-00150007 mixing between both which we need to be TjcfNKjQ0Au-00581-00150008-00150111 careful TjcfNKjQ0Au-00582-00150112-00150239 in other TjcfNKjQ0Au-00583-00150240-00150335 in this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00584-00150336-00150583 muslim is not always an islamist now an TjcfNKjQ0Au-00585-00150584-00150726 islamist TjcfNKjQ0Au-00586-00150727-00151014 is a person he can be a moderate TjcfNKjQ0Au-00587-00151015-00151183 as he can be TjcfNKjQ0Au-00588-00151184-00151263 more TjcfNKjQ0Au-00589-00151264-00151439 fanatic or TjcfNKjQ0Au-00590-00151440-00151695 he can be a jihadist or whatever TjcfNKjQ0Au-00591-00151696-00151790 now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00592-00151791-00151887 how TjcfNKjQ0Au-00593-00151888-00152263 does this islamist work in the condition TjcfNKjQ0Au-00594-00152264-00152487 now what we have in tunisia we have a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00595-00152488-00152743 tradition of an islamist party TjcfNKjQ0Au-00596-00152744-00153135 that has used violence during history TjcfNKjQ0Au-00597-00153136-00153263 in tunisia TjcfNKjQ0Au-00598-00153264-00153463 either with leftist groups at the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00599-00153464-00153783 university i was evicting myself of that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00600-00153784-00153871 or TjcfNKjQ0Au-00601-00153872-00154135 it has used against the government TjcfNKjQ0Au-00602-00154136-00154254 right TjcfNKjQ0Au-00603-00154255-00154431 uh hotels TjcfNKjQ0Au-00604-00154432-00154711 uh party headquarters throwing acid on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00605-00154712-00154975 people etc this is part of history TjcfNKjQ0Au-00606-00154976-00155190 that's part of the past now this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00607-00155191-00155399 islamist party the problem of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00608-00155400-00155711 islamist party is this is whether to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00609-00155712-00156047 rely on sharia the fundamentals of islam TjcfNKjQ0Au-00610-00156048-00156383 or to rely on modern principles TjcfNKjQ0Au-00611-00156384-00156654 and sometimes there is a double speech TjcfNKjQ0Au-00612-00156655-00156951 and this why people nowadays in tunisia TjcfNKjQ0Au-00613-00156952-00157199 say why another does have a double speed TjcfNKjQ0Au-00614-00157200-00157414 it has a double speech because it is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00615-00157415-00157671 torn between two things the islamic TjcfNKjQ0Au-00616-00157672-00158054 principles which are TjcfNKjQ0Au-00617-00158055-00158231 in the past there is no belief in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00618-00158232-00158407 democracy there is no belief in human TjcfNKjQ0Au-00619-00158408-00158735 rights there is no belief in an equality TjcfNKjQ0Au-00620-00158736-00158935 between men and women etc TjcfNKjQ0Au-00621-00158936-00159047 and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00622-00159048-00159343 the new principles of democracy now how TjcfNKjQ0Au-00623-00159344-00159478 to manage both TjcfNKjQ0Au-00624-00159479-00159719 normally there is there is always this TjcfNKjQ0Au-00625-00159720-00160031 confusion who is going to make of an TjcfNKjQ0Au-00626-00160032-00160335 islamic party whether moderate or not is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00627-00160336-00160583 the reaction of the other of the civil TjcfNKjQ0Au-00628-00160584-00160814 society towards this and the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00629-00160815-00161071 understanding that people have to make a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00630-00161072-00161239 difference between an islamist and a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00631-00161240-00161439 muslim so that not to put in the same TjcfNKjQ0Au-00632-00161440-00161726 bag everybody and then having the hatred TjcfNKjQ0Au-00633-00161727-00161966 of everybody else now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00634-00161967-00162119 this is so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00635-00162120-00162366 this party this another party now has TjcfNKjQ0Au-00636-00162367-00162487 got TjcfNKjQ0Au-00637-00162488-00162631 41 TjcfNKjQ0Au-00638-00162632-00162751 of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00639-00162752-00162878 the the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00640-00162879-00163111 deceits in the parliament TjcfNKjQ0Au-00641-00163112-00163343 it cannot it does not have a majority TjcfNKjQ0Au-00642-00163344-00163583 and it cannot govern without other TjcfNKjQ0Au-00643-00163584-00163863 political parties it has other two TjcfNKjQ0Au-00644-00163864-00164151 secular parties within a new coalition TjcfNKjQ0Au-00645-00164152-00164566 to govern one has got the president but TjcfNKjQ0Au-00646-00164567-00164919 his role is rather ceremonial not very TjcfNKjQ0Au-00647-00164920-00165207 important the president and the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00648-00165208-00165399 president of the constituency the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00649-00165400-00165535 constitution TjcfNKjQ0Au-00650-00165536-00165854 of the constituent who is rather has a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00651-00165855-00166095 certain power now another has the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00652-00166096-00166351 majority TjcfNKjQ0Au-00653-00166352-00166654 it has the important the key ministries TjcfNKjQ0Au-00654-00166655-00166838 the prime minister who has got a very TjcfNKjQ0Au-00655-00166839-00166975 important power TjcfNKjQ0Au-00656-00166976-00167271 the the minister of the the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00657-00167272-00167454 judiciary system TjcfNKjQ0Au-00658-00167455-00167543 right TjcfNKjQ0Au-00659-00167544-00167983 and the minister of the interior TjcfNKjQ0Au-00660-00167984-00168214 and the minister of foreign affairs the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00661-00168215-00168575 most important keys so these uh the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00662-00168576-00168919 another and other ministers right TjcfNKjQ0Au-00663-00168920-00169183 but this the another has TjcfNKjQ0Au-00664-00169184-00169295 stick TjcfNKjQ0Au-00665-00169296-00169671 has asked to have forcibly this minister TjcfNKjQ0Au-00666-00169672-00169847 now is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00667-00169848-00170143 now the two parts that are with another TjcfNKjQ0Au-00668-00170144-00170407 uh because there are there were problems TjcfNKjQ0Au-00669-00170408-00170590 with the media TjcfNKjQ0Au-00670-00170591-00170831 because they like to appoint another TjcfNKjQ0Au-00671-00170832-00171038 like to upon certain people who are near TjcfNKjQ0Au-00672-00171039-00171295 to it because in the mind of another and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00673-00171296-00171575 this is a problem is that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00674-00171576-00171935 you have we have won the election TjcfNKjQ0Au-00675-00171936-00172175 so all the groups have to shut up now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00676-00172176-00172359 and let us work TjcfNKjQ0Au-00677-00172360-00172566 so this is in the mind of another and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00678-00172567-00172743 this is what he's telling people TjcfNKjQ0Au-00679-00172744-00173071 now you have we have the legitimacy we TjcfNKjQ0Au-00680-00173072-00173366 have won the election TjcfNKjQ0Au-00681-00173367-00173654 so the other two parties now are working TjcfNKjQ0Au-00682-00173655-00173863 one another but they've got problems TjcfNKjQ0Au-00683-00173864-00174071 every time TjcfNKjQ0Au-00684-00174072-00174287 there is a problem for example every TjcfNKjQ0Au-00685-00174288-00174471 time there is one from another who talks TjcfNKjQ0Au-00686-00174472-00174711 about the inferiority of women etc a TjcfNKjQ0Au-00687-00174712-00174807 group TjcfNKjQ0Au-00688-00174808-00174926 from TjcfNKjQ0Au-00689-00174927-00175047 from TjcfNKjQ0Au-00690-00175048-00175407 the two parties is going out so TjcfNKjQ0Au-00691-00175408-00175631 now the two other TjcfNKjQ0Au-00692-00175632-00176087 parties have known lots of problems TjcfNKjQ0Au-00693-00176088-00176326 because of the alliance of these two TjcfNKjQ0Au-00694-00176327-00176575 party within not because of the alliance TjcfNKjQ0Au-00695-00176576-00176823 because of the subsequent what happens TjcfNKjQ0Au-00696-00176824-00177023 later on because another does not have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00697-00177024-00177263 an answer to the social problem because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00698-00177264-00177478 sometimes what they say in their TjcfNKjQ0Au-00699-00177479-00177726 speeches and what they do sometimes they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00700-00177727-00178014 have used violence against journalists TjcfNKjQ0Au-00701-00178015-00178231 the the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00702-00178232-00178447 the militants of another they have used TjcfNKjQ0Au-00703-00178448-00178775 and now they are organizing a sit-in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00704-00178776-00179166 for days in front of television asking TjcfNKjQ0Au-00705-00179167-00179247 for TjcfNKjQ0Au-00706-00179248-00179335 those TjcfNKjQ0Au-00707-00179336-00179551 who are working on television and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00708-00179552-00179847 sometimes threatening them with violence TjcfNKjQ0Au-00709-00179848-00180166 if they don't speak about the activities TjcfNKjQ0Au-00710-00180167-00180390 and they put in the forefront of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00711-00180391-00180487 news TjcfNKjQ0Au-00712-00180488-00180783 the activities of the prime minister and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00713-00180784-00181038 other ministers of another now you see TjcfNKjQ0Au-00714-00181039-00181278 now the issue has been now the reaction TjcfNKjQ0Au-00715-00181279-00181454 of the of the militants of the other TjcfNKjQ0Au-00716-00181455-00181911 parties many of them have got out now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00717-00181912-00182207 how far is this is going to be because TjcfNKjQ0Au-00718-00182208-00182511 the two other parties are considered to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00719-00182512-00182759 be central left they are considered to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00720-00182760-00183166 be secular and they were secular now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00721-00183167-00183423 they are torn between two things either TjcfNKjQ0Au-00722-00183424-00183654 to go with another because nothing is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00723-00183655-00183895 going to ensure for them they think TjcfNKjQ0Au-00724-00183896-00184166 the elections in the future TjcfNKjQ0Au-00725-00184167-00184407 or they are going to obey their TjcfNKjQ0Au-00726-00184408-00184519 militants TjcfNKjQ0Au-00727-00184520-00184831 and get out and on the principle that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00728-00184832-00185135 this islamic party does not always TjcfNKjQ0Au-00729-00185136-00185438 believe on the principles of democracy TjcfNKjQ0Au-00730-00185439-00185678 so the other two parties have known TjcfNKjQ0Au-00731-00185679-00185854 friction there is a friction between TjcfNKjQ0Au-00732-00185855-00186054 another and the two other parties and TjcfNKjQ0Au-00733-00186055-00186302 there are there is a friction in among TjcfNKjQ0Au-00734-00186303-00186559 the other two parties now you might ask TjcfNKjQ0Au-00735-00186560-00186750 why because there is no friction or TjcfNKjQ0Au-00736-00186751-00186926 problems inside another you can TjcfNKjQ0Au-00737-00186927-00187254 understand this is always based and like TjcfNKjQ0Au-00738-00187255-00187366 the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00739-00187367-00187687 iran is based on a single leader who TjcfNKjQ0Au-00740-00187688-00187983 knows everything who is sheikh who has TjcfNKjQ0Au-00741-00187984-00188126 got all the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00742-00188127-00188383 the knowledge and who is the person who TjcfNKjQ0Au-00743-00188384-00188638 dictates and who gives and everyone has TjcfNKjQ0Au-00744-00188639-00188950 got to it's like the imam everyone else TjcfNKjQ0Au-00745-00188951-00189143 has got to obey TjcfNKjQ0Au-00746-00189144-00189295 now TjcfNKjQ0Au-00747-00189296-00189566 the two but i don't think that we should TjcfNKjQ0Au-00748-00189567-00189799 rely i come to this question we should TjcfNKjQ0Au-00749-00189800-00190054 not rely on the friction that exists on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00750-00190055-00190254 the among the other party TjcfNKjQ0Au-00751-00190255-00190407 we still have TjcfNKjQ0Au-00752-00190408-00190511 uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00753-00190512-00190895 a very resilient strong civil society TjcfNKjQ0Au-00754-00190896-00190999 which is TjcfNKjQ0Au-00755-00191000-00191343 which is holding to the principles of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00756-00191344-00191566 the slogans of the revolution and they TjcfNKjQ0Au-00757-00191567-00191814 are going to stick in and i think in the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00758-00191815-00192071 civil society that uh TjcfNKjQ0Au-00759-00192072-00192278 uh with the leftist groups with the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00760-00192279-00192543 trade union it's going to TjcfNKjQ0Au-00761-00192544-00192807 later on it's going to counterbalance TjcfNKjQ0Au-00762-00192808-00193247 because we stood we we stood in front of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00763-00193248-00193487 the uh violence used against the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00764-00193488-00193726 journalists and we organized sit-ins on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00765-00193727-00193831 that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00766-00193832-00194047 when we they thought on the 8th of march TjcfNKjQ0Au-00767-00194048-00194302 we organized marches and sit-ins in TjcfNKjQ0Au-00768-00194303-00194550 front of the general assembly TjcfNKjQ0Au-00769-00194551-00194750 and we we have given a paper in which TjcfNKjQ0Au-00770-00194751-00194983 how we imagine the equality between men TjcfNKjQ0Au-00771-00194984-00195271 and women etc so this resilient civil TjcfNKjQ0Au-00772-00195272-00195654 society although it's not so strong TjcfNKjQ0Au-00773-00195655-00195935 although it doesn't have the means that TjcfNKjQ0Au-00774-00195936-00196047 another TjcfNKjQ0Au-00775-00196048-00196295 i think that this is going to carry on TjcfNKjQ0Au-00776-00196296-00196399 the fight TjcfNKjQ0Au-00777-00196400-00196671 not against islam because we believe TjcfNKjQ0Au-00778-00196672-00196775 that these TjcfNKjQ0Au-00779-00196776-00197063 elections are more or less fair TjcfNKjQ0Au-00780-00197064-00197166 but TjcfNKjQ0Au-00781-00197167-00197478 in order to carry on with the principles TjcfNKjQ0Au-00782-00197479-00197775 we have been fighting for them TjcfNKjQ0Au-00783-00197776-00197983 for all these years for all these TjcfNKjQ0Au-00784-00197984-00198247 decades the principles that we have been TjcfNKjQ0Au-00785-00198248-00198519 talking about about the principles of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00786-00198520-00198719 equality the principles of TjcfNKjQ0Au-00787-00198720-00198975 social rights the principles of freedom TjcfNKjQ0Au-00788-00198976-00199190 the principle of independence of the TjcfNKjQ0Au-00789-00199191-00201175 media etc thank you TjcfNKjQ0Au-00790-00201176-00201384 you Tkpo_llXqec-00000-00000000-00000758 are you ready Tkpo_llXqec-00001-00000759-00001408 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00002-00001409-00002655 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00003-00002656-00004022 oh Tkpo_llXqec-00004-00004023-00005290 right Tkpo_llXqec-00005-00005291-00005511 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00006-00005512-00006839 where to Tkpo_llXqec-00007-00006840-00007548 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00008-00007550-00009043 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00009-00009044-00009719 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00010-00009720-00009953 everybody Tkpo_llXqec-00011-00009954-00010383 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00012-00010384-00010621 everybody Tkpo_llXqec-00013-00010622-00011510 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00014-00011511-00011670 i'm surprised they don't have a god rail Tkpo_llXqec-00015-00011671-00011919 of horns this is rule man if you Tkpo_llXqec-00016-00011920-00012087 fall off this you probably Tkpo_llXqec-00017-00012088-00012832 deserve it Tkpo_llXqec-00018-00012833-00014779 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00019-00014780-00016725 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00020-00016726-00017388 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00021-00017389-00019783 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00022-00019784-00019863 you Tkpo_llXqec-00023-00019864-00021358 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00024-00021359-00022750 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00026-00027752-00027879 so what do you think Tkpo_llXqec-00027-00027880-00028055 do you like my little do you like my Tkpo_llXqec-00028-00028056-00028374 little race track that was 24 miles Tkpo_llXqec-00029-00028375-00028839 average speed of 24 my top speed was 38. Tkpo_llXqec-00030-00028839-00029199 all right what about mine i don't know Tkpo_llXqec-00031-00029200-00029479 average speed 20. Tkpo_llXqec-00032-00029480-00029651 it's all right Tkpo_llXqec-00033-00029652-00030202 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00034-00030204-00030897 [Applause] Tkpo_llXqec-00035-00030898-00032120 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00036-00032120-00032782 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00037-00032783-00034655 [Music] Tkpo_llXqec-00038-00034656-00034863 you Tm1OVEOvAeI-00000-00000112-00000407 hi i'm the hare the fastest animal in Tm1OVEOvAeI-00001-00000408-00000591 the forest if there's a race Tm1OVEOvAeI-00002-00000592-00000886 a relay any kind of competition i'm the Tm1OVEOvAeI-00003-00000888-00000950 winner Tm1OVEOvAeI-00004-00000951-00001374 i'm the best and i'm Tm1OVEOvAeI-00005-00001375-00001710 the tortoise she's really Tm1OVEOvAeI-00006-00001711-00002059 slow and talks so Tm1OVEOvAeI-00007-00002060-00002367 slowly and she never wins Tm1OVEOvAeI-00008-00002368-00002671 anything i have way more fun than she Tm1OVEOvAeI-00009-00002672-00002758 does Tm1OVEOvAeI-00010-00002759-00003079 that's not true i Tm1OVEOvAeI-00011-00003080-00003438 have lots of fun Tm1OVEOvAeI-00012-00003439-00003759 how can you have fun if you never win Tm1OVEOvAeI-00013-00003760-00004095 anything winning is the best part of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00014-00004096-00004406 everything i'll prove it to you we'll Tm1OVEOvAeI-00015-00004407-00004519 have a race Tm1OVEOvAeI-00016-00004520-00004870 and i'll win and you won't Tm1OVEOvAeI-00017-00004871-00005135 and you won't have as much fun how's Tm1OVEOvAeI-00018-00005136-00005286 that for a plan Tm1OVEOvAeI-00019-00005287-00005711 you want to race with me Tm1OVEOvAeI-00020-00005712-00006038 i want to win a race well i Tm1OVEOvAeI-00021-00006039-00006351 haven't done something like that Tm1OVEOvAeI-00022-00006352-00006831 in a long Tm1OVEOvAeI-00023-00006831-00007214 time trying new things Tm1OVEOvAeI-00024-00007215-00007687 can be lots of fun Tm1OVEOvAeI-00025-00007688-00008542 sure hair i'll give it a try Tm1OVEOvAeI-00026-00008543-00008839 we'll race right here we'll have a nice Tm1OVEOvAeI-00027-00008840-00008942 long road to Tm1OVEOvAeI-00028-00008943-00009183 run on we just need someone to start the Tm1OVEOvAeI-00029-00009184-00009359 race to make it official and tell me Tm1OVEOvAeI-00030-00009360-00009454 when i win Tm1OVEOvAeI-00031-00009455-00009663 [Music] Tm1OVEOvAeI-00032-00009664-00010742 okay official tell us when to start Tm1OVEOvAeI-00033-00010743-00011087 oh wait a minute my phone's buzzing Tm1OVEOvAeI-00034-00011088-00011319 hey it's one of my 55 children sending Tm1OVEOvAeI-00035-00011320-00011495 me a text Tm1OVEOvAeI-00036-00011496-00011767 oh they sent me a picture i should send Tm1OVEOvAeI-00037-00011768-00011887 them one too Tm1OVEOvAeI-00038-00011888-00012478 okay i'll send them one of me winning Tm1OVEOvAeI-00039-00012479-00012791 winner hey nice one Tm1OVEOvAeI-00040-00012792-00013022 tortoise wait a minute how did she catch Tm1OVEOvAeI-00041-00013023-00013143 up so fast Tm1OVEOvAeI-00042-00013144-00013455 ah whoo Tm1OVEOvAeI-00043-00013456-00013758 how'd she catch up so fast well Tm1OVEOvAeI-00044-00013759-00014022 i really left her in the dust that time Tm1OVEOvAeI-00045-00014023-00014086 oh Tm1OVEOvAeI-00046-00014087-00014463 wild carrots they look delicious Tm1OVEOvAeI-00047-00014463-00014975 i'll have a snack Tm1OVEOvAeI-00048-00014976-00015303 those do look good hair no they are a Tm1OVEOvAeI-00049-00015304-00015399 tortoise Tm1OVEOvAeI-00050-00015400-00015743 hey wait a minute Tm1OVEOvAeI-00051-00015744-00016015 how does she keep doing that well she's Tm1OVEOvAeI-00052-00016016-00016166 miles behind now Tm1OVEOvAeI-00053-00016168-00016455 and i'm really getting tired all that Tm1OVEOvAeI-00054-00016456-00016655 sprinting is making me so Tm1OVEOvAeI-00055-00016656-00016903 tired i think i'll go back here and take Tm1OVEOvAeI-00056-00016904-00017071 a little nap she'll never Tm1OVEOvAeI-00057-00017072-00017958 catch up Tm1OVEOvAeI-00058-00017959-00018286 just keep running just keep running Tm1OVEOvAeI-00059-00018287-00018694 just keep running hey that's funny Tm1OVEOvAeI-00060-00018695-00019022 i don't see hair Tm1OVEOvAeI-00061-00019023-00019383 she's supposed to be in front of me Tm1OVEOvAeI-00062-00019384-00019694 but i see the finish line Tm1OVEOvAeI-00063-00019695-00020119 and i hear giraffe she's cheering Tm1OVEOvAeI-00064-00020120-00020471 me i think i'm Tm1OVEOvAeI-00065-00020472-00020799 about to win i Tm1OVEOvAeI-00066-00020800-00021158 think i just gone you did Tm1OVEOvAeI-00067-00021159-00021575 you did i can't believe it you won Tm1OVEOvAeI-00068-00021576-00021983 how did i do that hair but i had a lot Tm1OVEOvAeI-00069-00021984-00022103 of fun Tm1OVEOvAeI-00070-00022104-00022567 i think i'm gonna keep running Tm1OVEOvAeI-00071-00022568-00022927 want to race some more maybe if friends Tm1OVEOvAeI-00072-00022928-00023030 like you Tm1OVEOvAeI-00073-00023031-00023358 want to but really i just like Tm1OVEOvAeI-00074-00023359-00023742 the exercise the fresh air Tm1OVEOvAeI-00075-00023743-00024158 being outside i think i'm just gonna Tm1OVEOvAeI-00076-00024159-00024605 keep on running keep on running Tm1OVEOvAeI-00077-00024606-00024935 [Music] Tm1OVEOvAeI-00078-00024936-00025303 i am a reptile i'm a mammal Tm1OVEOvAeI-00079-00025304-00025511 in our story you heard me talk about my Tm1OVEOvAeI-00080-00025512-00025702 55 children Tm1OVEOvAeI-00081-00025704-00025934 mammals give birth to live young most of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00082-00025935-00026143 us take care of our babies too Tm1OVEOvAeI-00083-00026144-00026358 so most reptiles we don't take care of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00084-00026360-00026607 our young some crocodilian species do Tm1OVEOvAeI-00085-00026608-00026767 and other species as well Tm1OVEOvAeI-00086-00026768-00027023 but most of us just lay our eggs and Tm1OVEOvAeI-00087-00027024-00027118 walk away Tm1OVEOvAeI-00088-00027119-00027287 our babies hatch out small but Tm1OVEOvAeI-00089-00027288-00027479 completely capable of taking care of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00090-00027480-00027590 themselves Tm1OVEOvAeI-00091-00027591-00027814 our babies are born pretty defenseless Tm1OVEOvAeI-00092-00027816-00027967 and they need their parents help to Tm1OVEOvAeI-00093-00027968-00028070 survive Tm1OVEOvAeI-00094-00028072-00028343 we even feed them mammals provide milk Tm1OVEOvAeI-00095-00028344-00028455 for their babies Tm1OVEOvAeI-00096-00028456-00028758 and we make sure they stay safe and warm Tm1OVEOvAeI-00097-00028760-00029079 you provide milk like you make milk Tm1OVEOvAeI-00098-00029080-00029311 okay yeah reptiles don't don't do the Tm1OVEOvAeI-00099-00029312-00029414 milk thing Tm1OVEOvAeI-00100-00029416-00029599 and we couldn't keep our young warm if Tm1OVEOvAeI-00101-00029600-00029879 we wanted to reptiles are a cold Tm1OVEOvAeI-00102-00029880-00030087 are cold-blooded we can't regulate our Tm1OVEOvAeI-00103-00030088-00030318 own temperature so when it's hot outside Tm1OVEOvAeI-00104-00030319-00030599 we get hot and when it's cold outside we Tm1OVEOvAeI-00105-00030600-00030639 get Tm1OVEOvAeI-00106-00030639-00030911 cold so then the cold in particular Tm1OVEOvAeI-00107-00030912-00031023 really slows us down Tm1OVEOvAeI-00108-00031024-00031190 it's part of the reason why so many of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00109-00031191-00031399 us hibernate through the winter Tm1OVEOvAeI-00110-00031400-00031583 some mammals hibernate too but that's Tm1OVEOvAeI-00111-00031583-00031743 mostly because finding food in the Tm1OVEOvAeI-00112-00031744-00031870 winter is hard Tm1OVEOvAeI-00113-00031872-00032046 because we can definitely control our Tm1OVEOvAeI-00114-00032047-00032295 body temperature we're warm blooded Tm1OVEOvAeI-00115-00032295-00032607 most of us also have fur or hair that Tm1OVEOvAeI-00116-00032608-00032767 help with that too Tm1OVEOvAeI-00117-00032768-00033071 reptiles do not have fur or hair most of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00118-00033072-00033311 us have scales and some of us like Tm1OVEOvAeI-00119-00033312-00033574 snakes can shed our own skin Tm1OVEOvAeI-00120-00033575-00033799 mammals cannot shed their skin most of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00121-00033800-00033911 us shed our fur Tm1OVEOvAeI-00122-00033912-00034174 or our hair depending on the season but Tm1OVEOvAeI-00123-00034175-00034327 that's completely different Tm1OVEOvAeI-00124-00034328-00034551 a lot of mammals have defenses though Tm1OVEOvAeI-00125-00034552-00034631 claws Tm1OVEOvAeI-00126-00034632-00034959 teeth and more porcupines have quills Tm1OVEOvAeI-00127-00034960-00035223 skunks have stinky glands armadillos and Tm1OVEOvAeI-00128-00035224-00035439 pangolins have armor and the list goes Tm1OVEOvAeI-00129-00035440-00035574 on Tm1OVEOvAeI-00130-00035575-00035815 ah lots of reptiles have that stuff too Tm1OVEOvAeI-00131-00035816-00036039 we have venomous snakes and komodo Tm1OVEOvAeI-00132-00036040-00036287 dragons and lots of reptiles also have Tm1OVEOvAeI-00133-00036288-00036399 sharp claws Tm1OVEOvAeI-00134-00036400-00036639 and turtles and tortoises like me have Tm1OVEOvAeI-00135-00036640-00036735 shells Tm1OVEOvAeI-00136-00036736-00036959 but our spines are part of our shells Tm1OVEOvAeI-00137-00036960-00037159 our backbones are in our shells Tm1OVEOvAeI-00138-00037160-00037471 so while they help give us protection if Tm1OVEOvAeI-00139-00037472-00037623 our shells get hurt Tm1OVEOvAeI-00140-00037624-00037887 it's it's bad news it's probably also Tm1OVEOvAeI-00141-00037888-00038046 not good for the armadillo Tm1OVEOvAeI-00142-00038047-00038239 the lesson from this probably is if you Tm1OVEOvAeI-00143-00038240-00038390 see a wild animal somewhere Tm1OVEOvAeI-00144-00038391-00038574 it's cool to watch it from a distance Tm1OVEOvAeI-00145-00038575-00038695 but leave it alone Tm1OVEOvAeI-00146-00038696-00038879 don't touch it that will keep things Tm1OVEOvAeI-00147-00038880-00039007 safe for you Tm1OVEOvAeI-00148-00039008-00039295 and the animal that's probably a good Tm1OVEOvAeI-00149-00039296-00039511 idea hair Tm1OVEOvAeI-00150-00039512-00039790 so for our story today the hair miss Tm1OVEOvAeI-00151-00039791-00040030 cindy and i we took a classic story of Tm1OVEOvAeI-00152-00040031-00040207 the tortoise and the hair and we Tm1OVEOvAeI-00153-00040208-00040439 made up a script to make a little play Tm1OVEOvAeI-00154-00040440-00040615 out of it and it was a lot of fun Tm1OVEOvAeI-00155-00040616-00040815 taking classic stories and changing them Tm1OVEOvAeI-00156-00040816-00041062 around is a great way to make a story Tm1OVEOvAeI-00157-00041063-00041143 your own Tm1OVEOvAeI-00158-00041144-00041302 but it's also a lot of fun to make Tm1OVEOvAeI-00159-00041303-00041487 stories from scratch so in your Tm1OVEOvAeI-00160-00041488-00041687 programming bag this month you'll see Tm1OVEOvAeI-00161-00041688-00041743 that we Tm1OVEOvAeI-00162-00041744-00042015 included a roll a story game all you Tm1OVEOvAeI-00163-00042016-00042199 need is that paper and a dice that's Tm1OVEOvAeI-00164-00042200-00042462 also in your bag to create something Tm1OVEOvAeI-00165-00042463-00042662 from scratch to get the creative juices Tm1OVEOvAeI-00166-00042663-00042735 rolling Tm1OVEOvAeI-00167-00042736-00042935 you can play it once you can play it a Tm1OVEOvAeI-00168-00042936-00043102 bunch of times and you can change it up Tm1OVEOvAeI-00169-00043103-00043367 however you want there's no wrong way Tm1OVEOvAeI-00170-00043368-00043615 to write a story and we'd love to see Tm1OVEOvAeI-00171-00043616-00043790 your end product if you'd like to take a Tm1OVEOvAeI-00172-00043791-00043974 picture of it and send it to us you can Tm1OVEOvAeI-00173-00043975-00044158 share it on our facebook page or you can Tm1OVEOvAeI-00174-00044159-00044271 email it to us Tm1OVEOvAeI-00175-00044272-00044471 our email address is in your programming Tm1OVEOvAeI-00176-00044472-00044671 bag we'd love to see it Tm1OVEOvAeI-00177-00044672-00044839 thanks for joining us today happy Tm1OVEOvAeI-00178-00044840-00045184 playing bye Tmv1JzHDCOy-00000-00000017-00000299 the Apollo command and service module Tmv1JzHDCOy-00001-00000300-00000503 CSM was one of two principal components Tmv1JzHDCOy-00002-00000504-00000728 of the United States Apollo spacecraft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00003-00000729-00000983 used for the Apollo program which landed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00004-00000984-00001245 astronauts on the moon between 1969 and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00005-00001246-00001643 1972 the CSM functioned is a mothership Tmv1JzHDCOy-00006-00001644-00001832 which carried a crew of three astronauts Tmv1JzHDCOy-00007-00001832-00002023 in the second Apollo spacecraft the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00008-00002025-00002234 Apollo lunar module to lunar orbit and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00009-00002235-00002498 brought the astronauts back to earth it Tmv1JzHDCOy-00010-00002499-00002677 consisted of two parts the conical Tmv1JzHDCOy-00011-00002678-00002860 command module a cabin that housed the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00012-00002861-00003029 crew and carried equipment needed for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00013-00003030-00003208 atmospheric reentry and splashed down Tmv1JzHDCOy-00014-00003209-00003419 and the cylindrical service module which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00015-00003420-00003640 provided propulsion electrical power and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00016-00003642-00003856 storage for various consumables required Tmv1JzHDCOy-00017-00003857-00004076 during a mission an unbiblical Tmv1JzHDCOy-00018-00004077-00004265 connection transferred power and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00019-00004266-00004511 consumables between the two modules just Tmv1JzHDCOy-00020-00004512-00004711 before re-entry of the command module on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00021-00004712-00004808 the return home Tmv1JzHDCOy-00022-00004809-00004991 the umbilical connection was severed in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00023-00004992-00005156 the service module was cast off and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00024-00005157-00005461 allowed to burn up in the atmosphere the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00025-00005462-00005690 CSM was developed and built for NASA by Tmv1JzHDCOy-00026-00005691-00005891 North American Aviation starting in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00027-00005892-00006229 November 1961 it was initially designed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00028-00006230-00006409 to land on the moon atop a landing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00029-00006411-00006584 rocket stage and return all three Tmv1JzHDCOy-00030-00006584-00006776 astronauts on a direct descent mission Tmv1JzHDCOy-00031-00006777-00006934 which would not use a separate lunar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00032-00006936-00007112 module and thus had no provisions for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00033-00007113-00007358 docking with another spacecraft these Tmv1JzHDCOy-00034-00007359-00007583 plus other required design changes led Tmv1JzHDCOy-00035-00007584-00007769 to the decision to design two versions Tmv1JzHDCOy-00036-00007770-00007988 of the CSM lock I was to be used for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00037-00007989-00008144 uncrewed missions in a single crewed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00038-00008145-00008342 Earth orbit flight Apollo 1 while the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00039-00008343-00008539 more advanced block 2 was designed for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00040-00008540-00008801 use with the lunar module the Apollo 1 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00041-00008802-00009026 flight was canceled after a cabin fire Tmv1JzHDCOy-00042-00009027-00009178 killed the crew and destroyed their Tmv1JzHDCOy-00043-00009179-00009383 command module during a launch rehearsal Tmv1JzHDCOy-00044-00009384-00009638 test corrections of the problems which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00045-00009639-00009799 caused the fire were applied to the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00046-00009800-00009989 Block 2 spacecraft which was used for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00047-00009990-00010358 all crewed space flights 19 CSM's were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00048-00010359-00010606 launched into space of these nine flew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00049-00010607-00010937 humans to the moon between 1968 and 1972 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00050-00010938-00011141 and another to perform crude test Tmv1JzHDCOy-00051-00011142-00011351 flights in low-earth orbit all as part Tmv1JzHDCOy-00052-00011352-00011633 of the Apollo program before these and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00053-00011634-00011855 other four CSM's had flown as uncrewed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00054-00011856-00012077 apollo tests of which ii was suborbital Tmv1JzHDCOy-00055-00012078-00012238 flights and another two were orbital Tmv1JzHDCOy-00056-00012239-00012496 flight following the conclusion of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00057-00012497-00012863 Apollo program and during 1973 1974 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00058-00012863-00013096 three CSM's ferried astronauts to the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00059-00013097-00013303 orbital Skylab space station Tmv1JzHDCOy-00060-00013304-00013449 finally in nine Tmv1JzHDCOy-00061-00013450-00013731 75 the last flown CSM docked with the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00062-00013732-00013968 Soviet crafts or use 19 as part of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00063-00013969-00014704 International apollo-soyuz test project Tmv1JzHDCOy-00064-00014705-00015349 topic development history when NASA Tmv1JzHDCOy-00065-00015350-00015571 rewarded the initial apollo contract to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00066-00015572-00015849 north american aviation on November 28 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00067-00015850-00016105 1961 it was still attuned the lunar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00068-00016106-00016266 landing would be achieved by direct Tmv1JzHDCOy-00069-00016268-00016438 ascent rather than by lunar orbit Tmv1JzHDCOy-00070-00016439-00016518 rendezvous Tmv1JzHDCOy-00071-00016519-00016753 therefore design proceeded without a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00072-00016754-00016945 means of docking the command module to a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00073-00016946-00017227 lunar excursion module LEM but the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00074-00017228-00017428 change to lunar orbit rendezvous plus Tmv1JzHDCOy-00075-00017429-00017611 several technical obstacles encountered Tmv1JzHDCOy-00076-00017612-00017839 in some subsystems such as environmental Tmv1JzHDCOy-00077-00017840-00018004 control soon made it clear that Tmv1JzHDCOy-00078-00018005-00018210 substantial redesign would be required Tmv1JzHDCOy-00079-00018211-00018616 in 1963 NASA decided the most efficient Tmv1JzHDCOy-00080-00018617-00018799 way to keep the program on track was to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00081-00018800-00018961 proceed with the development in two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00082-00018962-00019246 versions block I would continue the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00083-00019247-00019444 preliminary design to be used for early Tmv1JzHDCOy-00084-00019445-00019774 low Earth orbit test flights only block Tmv1JzHDCOy-00085-00019775-00019951 2 would be the lunar capable version Tmv1JzHDCOy-00086-00019952-00020110 including a docking hatch and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00087-00020111-00020275 incorporating weight reduction in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00088-00020276-00020455 lessons learned in block I detailed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00089-00020456-00020580 design of the docking capability Tmv1JzHDCOy-00090-00020581-00020824 depended on design of the LEM which was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00091-00020825-00020971 contracted to groom and aircraft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00092-00020972-00021259 engineering by January 1964 North Tmv1JzHDCOy-00093-00021260-00021448 American started presenting block 2 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00094-00021449-00021739 design details to NASA block I Tmv1JzHDCOy-00095-00021740-00021928 spacecraft were used for all uncrewed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00096-00021929-00022182 Saturn 1b and Saturn V test flights Tmv1JzHDCOy-00097-00022183-00022387 initially two crewed flights were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00098-00022388-00022569 planned but this was reduced to one in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00099-00022570-00023029 late 1966 this mission designated as 204 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00100-00023030-00023236 but named Apollo 1 by its flight crew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00101-00023237-00023502 was planned for launch on February 21st Tmv1JzHDCOy-00102-00023503-00023842 1967 during a dress rehearsal for the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00103-00023843-00024069 launch on January 27th all three Tmv1JzHDCOy-00104-00024070-00024256 astronauts Gus Grissom ed white and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00105-00024257-00024444 Roger Chaffee were killed in a cabin Tmv1JzHDCOy-00106-00024445-00024625 fire which revealed serious design Tmv1JzHDCOy-00107-00024626-00024736 construction and maintenance Tmv1JzHDCOy-00108-00024737-00024955 shortcomings in block life many of which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00109-00024956-00025135 had been carried over into block to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00110-00025136-00025421 command modules being built at the time Tmv1JzHDCOy-00111-00025422-00025639 after a thorough investigation by the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00112-00025641-00025952 Apollo 204 Review Board it was decided Tmv1JzHDCOy-00113-00025952-00026144 to terminate the crude block I faced and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00114-00026145-00026336 redefined block 2 to incorporate the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00115-00026337-00026624 review board's recommendations block 2 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00116-00026625-00026849 incorporated a revised CM heat shield Tmv1JzHDCOy-00117-00026850-00027041 design which was tested on the uncrewed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00118-00027042-00027281 Apollo foreign Apollo six flights so the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00119-00027282-00027500 first all our block two spacecraft flew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00120-00027501-00027742 on the first crewed mission Apollo seven Tmv1JzHDCOy-00121-00027743-00028013 the two blocks were essentially similar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00122-00028014-00028238 in overall dimensions but several design Tmv1JzHDCOy-00123-00028239-00028382 improvements resulted in weight Tmv1JzHDCOy-00124-00028383-00028625 reduction in block two also the block I Tmv1JzHDCOy-00125-00028626-00028808 service module propellant tanks were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00126-00028808-00029066 slightly larger than in block two the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00127-00029067-00029227 Apollo 1 spacecraft weighed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00128-00029229-00029495 approximately 45,000 pounds twenty Tmv1JzHDCOy-00129-00029495-00029687 thousand kilograms while the block two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00130-00029688-00029912 Apollo 7 weighed thirty six thousand Tmv1JzHDCOy-00131-00029913-00030107 four hundred pounds sixteen thousand Tmv1JzHDCOy-00132-00030108-00030377 five hundred kilograms these two earth Tmv1JzHDCOy-00133-00030377-00030533 orbital crafts were lighter than the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00134-00030533-00030704 craft which later went to the moon as Tmv1JzHDCOy-00135-00030705-00030911 they carried propellant in only one set Tmv1JzHDCOy-00136-00030912-00031100 of tanks and did not carry the high-gain Tmv1JzHDCOy-00137-00031101-00031402 s-band antenna in the specifications Tmv1JzHDCOy-00138-00031404-00031619 given below unless otherwise noted all Tmv1JzHDCOy-00139-00031620-00031769 weights given up for the block two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00140-00031770-00032132 spacecraft the total cost of the CSM for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00141-00032133-00032306 development and the units produced was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00142-00032307-00032512 thirty-six point nine billion dollars in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00143-00032513-00032804 2016 dollars adjusted from a nominal Tmv1JzHDCOy-00144-00032805-00032984 total of three point seven billion Tmv1JzHDCOy-00145-00032985-00033155 dollars using the nasa new start Tmv1JzHDCOy-00146-00033156-00033770 inflation indices Tmv1JzHDCOy-00147-00033771-00034344 topic command module cm Tmv1JzHDCOy-00148-00034345-00034621 the command module was a truncated cone Tmv1JzHDCOy-00149-00034622-00034987 frustum 10 feet 7 inches 3.2 3 meters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00150-00034988-00035197 tall with a diameter of 12 feet 10 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00151-00035198-00035560 inches 3.91 meters across the base the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00152-00035561-00035728 forward compartment contained two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00153-00035729-00035920 reaction control engines the docking Tmv1JzHDCOy-00154-00035921-00036076 tunnel and the components of the earth Tmv1JzHDCOy-00155-00036077-00036361 landing system the inner pressure vessel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00156-00036362-00036559 has the crew accommodation equipment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00157-00036560-00036769 bays controls and displays and many Tmv1JzHDCOy-00158-00036770-00037105 spacecraft systems the aft compartment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00159-00037106-00037330 contains 10 reaction control engines and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00160-00037331-00037468 their related propellant tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00161-00037469-00037711 freshwater tanks and the CSM umbilical Tmv1JzHDCOy-00162-00037712-00038230 cables Tmv1JzHDCOy-00163-00038231-00038833 topic construction the command module Tmv1JzHDCOy-00164-00038834-00039035 consisted of two basic structures joined Tmv1JzHDCOy-00165-00039036-00039202 together the inner structure pressure Tmv1JzHDCOy-00166-00039203-00039479 shell and the outer structure the inner Tmv1JzHDCOy-00167-00039480-00039646 structure was an aluminum sandwich Tmv1JzHDCOy-00168-00039647-00039835 construction which consisted of a welded Tmv1JzHDCOy-00169-00039836-00040012 aluminum inner skin adhesively bonded Tmv1JzHDCOy-00170-00040013-00040252 aluminum honeycomb core and outer face Tmv1JzHDCOy-00171-00040253-00040468 sheet the thickness of the honeycomb Tmv1JzHDCOy-00172-00040469-00040765 varied from about 1.5 inches 3.8 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00173-00040766-00041035 centimeters at the base to about 0.25 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00174-00041036-00041311 inches 0.6 4 centimeters at the forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00175-00041312-00041573 access tunnel this inner structure was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00176-00041574-00041842 the pressurised crew compartment the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00177-00041843-00041998 outer structure was made of stainless Tmv1JzHDCOy-00178-00041999-00042199 steel braised honeycomb bracelet Wien Tmv1JzHDCOy-00179-00042200-00042482 steel alloy face sheets it varied in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00180-00042483-00042786 thickness from 0.5 inch to 2.5 inches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00181-00042787-00043027 part of the area between the inner and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00182-00043028-00043210 outer shells was filled with a layer of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00183-00043211-00043414 fiberglass insulation as additional heat Tmv1JzHDCOy-00184-00043415-00043920 protection Tmv1JzHDCOy-00185-00043921-00044510 topic thermal protection heat shield an Tmv1JzHDCOy-00186-00044511-00044768 ablative heat shield on the outside of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00187-00044769-00044952 the cm protected the capsule from the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00188-00044953-00045137 heat of reentry which is sufficient to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00189-00045138-00045408 melt most metals this heat shield was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00190-00045409-00045624 composed of phenolic formaldehyde resin Tmv1JzHDCOy-00191-00045625-00045749 during reentry Tmv1JzHDCOy-00192-00045750-00045962 this material child and melted away whoo Tmv1JzHDCOy-00193-00045963-00046140 absorbing and carrying away the intense Tmv1JzHDCOy-00194-00046141-00046407 heat in the process the heat shield has Tmv1JzHDCOy-00195-00046408-00046626 several outer coverings a poor seal and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00196-00046627-00046793 moisture barrier a white reflective Tmv1JzHDCOy-00197-00046794-00046980 coating and a silver mile a thermal Tmv1JzHDCOy-00198-00046981-00047180 coating that looks like aluminum foil Tmv1JzHDCOy-00199-00047181-00047436 the heat shield varied in thickness from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00200-00047437-00047676 two inches five point one centimeters in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00201-00047677-00047901 the aft portion the base of the capsule Tmv1JzHDCOy-00202-00047902-00048096 which faced forward during reentry to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00203-00048097-00048417 0.5 inches 1.3 centimeters in the crew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00204-00048418-00048705 compartment in forward portions total Tmv1JzHDCOy-00205-00048706-00048902 weight of the shield was about 3,000 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00206-00048903-00049582 pounds 1,400 kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00207-00049583-00050187 topic forward compartment the forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00208-00050188-00050374 compartment was the area outside the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00209-00050375-00050536 inner pressure shell in the nose of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00210-00050537-00050718 capsule located around the forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00211-00050719-00050857 docking tunnel and covered by the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00212-00050858-00051133 forward heat shield the compartment was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00213-00051134-00051351 divided into four 90-degree segments Tmv1JzHDCOy-00214-00051352-00051523 that contained earth landing equipment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00215-00051524-00051736 all the parachutes recovery antennas and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00216-00051737-00051954 beacon light and see recovery sling - Tmv1JzHDCOy-00217-00051955-00052162 reaction control engines and the forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00218-00052163-00052479 heat shield release mechanism at about Tmv1JzHDCOy-00219-00052479-00052837 25,000 feet 7600 meters during reentry Tmv1JzHDCOy-00220-00052838-00053053 the forward heat shield was jettisoned Tmv1JzHDCOy-00221-00053054-00053232 to expose the earth landing equipment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00222-00053233-00053849 and permit deployment of the parachutes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00223-00053850-00054485 topic aft compartment the aft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00224-00054486-00054659 compartment was located around the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00225-00054660-00054839 periphery of the command module at its Tmv1JzHDCOy-00226-00054840-00055052 widest part just forward of above the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00227-00055053-00055334 aft heatshield the compartment was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00228-00055335-00055583 divided into 24 Bay's containing ten Tmv1JzHDCOy-00229-00055584-00055739 reaction control engines the fuel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00230-00055740-00055994 oxidizer and helium tanks for the CM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00231-00055995-00056234 reaction control subsystem water tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00232-00056235-00056387 the crushable ribs of the impact Tmv1JzHDCOy-00233-00056388-00056576 attenuation system and a number of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00234-00056577-00056885 instruments the CM sm umbilical the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00235-00056886-00057079 point where wiring and plumbing ran from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00236-00057080-00057287 one module to the other was also in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00237-00057288-00057569 aft compartment the panels of the heat Tmv1JzHDCOy-00238-00057570-00057788 shield covering the aft compartment were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00239-00057789-00057935 removable for maintenance of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00240-00057936-00058530 equipment before flight Tmv1JzHDCOy-00241-00058532-00059057 topic earth landing system Tmv1JzHDCOy-00242-00059058-00059257 the components of the elves were housed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00243-00059258-00059498 around the forward docking tunnel the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00244-00059499-00059669 forward compartment was separated from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00245-00059670-00059830 the central by a bulkhead and was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00246-00059832-00060125 divided into four 90-degree wedges the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00247-00060126-00060319 ELLs consisted of two drogue parachutes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00248-00060320-00060532 with mortars three main parachutes three Tmv1JzHDCOy-00249-00060533-00060706 pilot parachutes to deploy the mains Tmv1JzHDCOy-00250-00060707-00060907 three inflation bags for up riding the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00251-00060908-00061094 capsule if necessary a see recovery Tmv1JzHDCOy-00252-00061095-00061291 cable a dye marker and a swimmer Tmv1JzHDCOy-00253-00061292-00061541 umbilical the command module Tmv1JzHDCOy-00254-00061541-00061744 center-of-mass was offset a foot or so Tmv1JzHDCOy-00255-00061745-00061898 from the center of pressure along the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00256-00061899-00062213 symmetry axis this provided a rotational Tmv1JzHDCOy-00257-00062214-00062392 moment during reentry angling the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00258-00062394-00062579 capsule and providing some lift a lift Tmv1JzHDCOy-00259-00062579-00062975 to drag ratio of about 0.368 the capsule Tmv1JzHDCOy-00260-00062976-00063166 was then steered by rotating the capsule Tmv1JzHDCOy-00261-00063167-00063344 using thrusters when no steering was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00262-00063345-00063560 required the capsule was spun slowly and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00263-00063561-00063791 the lift effects cancelled out this Tmv1JzHDCOy-00264-00063791-00063974 system greatly reduced the g-force Tmv1JzHDCOy-00265-00063975-00064178 experienced by the astronauts permitted Tmv1JzHDCOy-00266-00064179-00064330 a reasonable amount of directional Tmv1JzHDCOy-00267-00064332-00064478 control and allowed the capsule Tmv1JzHDCOy-00268-00064479-00064669 splashdown point to be targeted within a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00269-00064670-00065056 few miles at 24,000 feet seven point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00270-00065057-00065249 three kilometers the forward heat shield Tmv1JzHDCOy-00271-00065250-00065429 was jettisoned using four pressurized Tmv1JzHDCOy-00272-00065429-00065675 gas compression springs the drogue Tmv1JzHDCOy-00273-00065676-00065863 parachutes were then deployed slowing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00274-00065864-00066238 the spacecraft to 125 miles per hour 201 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00275-00066239-00066599 km/h at ten thousand seven hundred feet Tmv1JzHDCOy-00276-00066600-00066794 three point three kilometers the drugs Tmv1JzHDCOy-00277-00066795-00066941 were jettisoned and the pilot parachutes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00278-00066942-00067144 which pulled out the mains were deployed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00279-00067145-00067487 these slowed the CM to 22 miles per hour Tmv1JzHDCOy-00280-00067488-00067894 35 km/h for splashdown the portion of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00281-00067895-00068063 the capsule that first contacted the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00282-00068064-00068246 water surface contained four crushable Tmv1JzHDCOy-00283-00068247-00068423 ribs to further mitigate the force of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00284-00068424-00068675 impact the command module could safely Tmv1JzHDCOy-00285-00068676-00068869 parachute to an ocean landing with only Tmv1JzHDCOy-00286-00068870-00069068 two parachutes deployed has occurred on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00287-00069069-00069311 Apollo 15 the third parachute being a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00288-00069312-00069874 safety precaution Tmv1JzHDCOy-00289-00069875-00070480 topic reaction control system the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00290-00070481-00070650 command module attitude control system Tmv1JzHDCOy-00291-00070651-00071017 consisted of 1293 pound-force 410 n Tmv1JzHDCOy-00292-00071018-00071260 attitude control jets 10 were located in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00293-00071261-00071481 the aft compartment and to pitch motors Tmv1JzHDCOy-00294-00071482-00071736 in the forward compartment for tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00295-00071737-00072075 toward 270 pounds 120 kilograms of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00296-00072076-00072292 monomethylhydrazine fuel and nitrogen Tmv1JzHDCOy-00297-00072293-00072574 tetroxide oxidizer they were pressurized Tmv1JzHDCOy-00298-00072575-00072963 by 1.1 pounds 0.5 0 kilograms of helium Tmv1JzHDCOy-00299-00072964-00073278 stored at 4,150 pounds per square inch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00300-00073279-00074001 28.6 mega Pascal's into tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00301-00074002-00074625 topic hatches the forward docking hatch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00302-00074626-00074793 was mounted at the top of the docking Tmv1JzHDCOy-00303-00074794-00075138 tunnel it was 30 inches 76 centimeters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00304-00075139-00075396 in diameter and weighed 80 pounds 36 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00305-00075397-00075672 kilograms it was constructed from two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00306-00075673-00075855 machine rings that were well joined to a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00307-00075856-00076125 braised honeycomb panel the exterior Tmv1JzHDCOy-00308-00076126-00076392 side was covered with a 0.5 inch 13 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00309-00076393-00076596 millimeters of insulation in a layer of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00310-00076597-00076860 aluminum foil it was latched in six Tmv1JzHDCOy-00311-00076861-00077154 places and operated by a pump handle the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00312-00077155-00077328 hatch contained a valve in its center Tmv1JzHDCOy-00313-00077329-00077493 used to equalize the pressure between Tmv1JzHDCOy-00314-00077494-00077703 the tunnel and the CM so the hatch could Tmv1JzHDCOy-00315-00077704-00078054 be removed the unified crew hatch uch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00316-00078055-00078354 measured 29 inches 74 centimeters high Tmv1JzHDCOy-00317-00078355-00078644 34 inches 86 centimeters wide and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00318-00078645-00079125 weighed 225 pounds 102 kilograms it was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00319-00079126-00079341 operated by a pump handle which drove a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00320-00079342-00079566 ratchet mechanism to open or close 15 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00321-00079567-00080170 latches simultaneously Tmv1JzHDCOy-00322-00080171-00080815 topic docking assembly Apollo's mission Tmv1JzHDCOy-00323-00080816-00081043 required the LM to dock with the CSM on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00324-00081044-00081223 return from the moon and also in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00325-00081224-00081418 transposition docking and extraction Tmv1JzHDCOy-00326-00081419-00081562 maneuver at the beginning of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00327-00081563-00081790 translunar Coast the docking mechanism Tmv1JzHDCOy-00328-00081791-00082063 was a non androgynous system consisting Tmv1JzHDCOy-00329-00082064-00082243 of a probe located in the nose of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00330-00082244-00082447 CSM which connected to the drogue a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00331-00082448-00082638 truncated cone located on the lunar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00332-00082639-00082897 module the probe was extended like a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00333-00082898-00083068 scissor jack to capture the drogue on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00334-00083069-00083269 initial contact known as soft docking Tmv1JzHDCOy-00335-00083270-00083530 then the probe was retracted to pull the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00336-00083531-00083713 vehicles together and establish a firm Tmv1JzHDCOy-00337-00083714-00083998 connection known as hard docking the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00338-00083999-00084219 mechanism was specified by NASA to have Tmv1JzHDCOy-00339-00084220-00084496 the following functions allow the two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00340-00084497-00084700 vehicles to connect and attenuate excess Tmv1JzHDCOy-00341-00084701-00084932 movement and energy caused by docking Tmv1JzHDCOy-00342-00084933-00085174 align and center the two vehicles and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00343-00085175-00085456 pull them together for capture provide a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00344-00085457-00085654 rigid structural connection between both Tmv1JzHDCOy-00345-00085655-00085876 vehicles and be capable of removal and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00346-00085877-00086112 reinstallation by a single crewman Tmv1JzHDCOy-00347-00086113-00086371 provide a means of remote separation of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00348-00086372-00086524 both vehicles for the return to Earth Tmv1JzHDCOy-00349-00086525-00086746 using pyrotechnic fasteners at the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00350-00086747-00087009 circumference of the CSM docking collar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00351-00087010-00087247 provide redundant power and logic Tmv1JzHDCOy-00352-00087248-00087406 circuits for all electrical and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00353-00087407-00087977 pyrotechnic components Tmv1JzHDCOy-00354-00087978-00088607 topic coupling the probe head located in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00355-00088608-00088829 the CSM was self centering and gym ball Tmv1JzHDCOy-00356-00088830-00089102 mounted to the probe piston as the probe Tmv1JzHDCOy-00357-00089103-00089285 had engaged in the opening of the drogue Tmv1JzHDCOy-00358-00089286-00089462 socket free spring-loaded latches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00359-00089463-00089690 depressed and engage these latches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00360-00089691-00089897 allowed a so-called soft docked state Tmv1JzHDCOy-00361-00089898-00090080 and enabled the pitch in your movement Tmv1JzHDCOy-00362-00090081-00090353 in the two vehicles to subside excess Tmv1JzHDCOy-00363-00090354-00090539 movement in the vehicles during the hard Tmv1JzHDCOy-00364-00090540-00090716 dot process could cause damage to the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00365-00090717-00090896 docking ring and put stress on the upper Tmv1JzHDCOy-00366-00090897-00091148 tunnel a depressed locking trigger link Tmv1JzHDCOy-00367-00091149-00091310 at each latch allowed a spring-loaded Tmv1JzHDCOy-00368-00091311-00091508 spool to move forward maintaining the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00369-00091509-00091682 toggle linkage in an over center lock Tmv1JzHDCOy-00370-00091683-00091946 position in the upper end of the lunar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00371-00091947-00092111 module tunnel the drogue which was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00372-00092112-00092297 constructed of one-inch thick aluminum Tmv1JzHDCOy-00373-00092298-00092507 honeycomb core bonded front and back to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00374-00092508-00092705 aluminum face sheets was the receiving Tmv1JzHDCOy-00375-00092706-00093326 end of the probe head capsule latches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00376-00093327-00093901 topic retraction after the initial Tmv1JzHDCOy-00377-00093902-00094088 capture and stabilization of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00378-00094089-00094265 vehicles the probe was capable of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00379-00094266-00094513 exerting a closing force of 1000 pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00380-00094514-00094732 force 4.4 kilonewtons to draw the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00381-00094733-00094979 vehicles together this force was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00382-00094980-00095180 generated by gas pressure acting on the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00383-00095181-00095366 center piston within the probe cylinder Tmv1JzHDCOy-00384-00095367-00095630 piston retraction compressed the probe Tmv1JzHDCOy-00385-00095631-00095855 in interface seals and actuated the 12 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00386-00095856-00096017 automatic ring latches which were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00387-00096018-00096185 located radially around the inner Tmv1JzHDCOy-00388-00096186-00096467 surface of the CSM docking ring the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00389-00096468-00096638 latches were manually recopy in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00390-00096639-00096830 docking tunnel by an astronaut after Tmv1JzHDCOy-00391-00096831-00097013 each hard docking event lunar missions Tmv1JzHDCOy-00392-00097014-00097578 required two dockings Tmv1JzHDCOy-00393-00097579-00098214 topic separation an automatic extension Tmv1JzHDCOy-00394-00098215-00098391 latch attached to the probe cylinder Tmv1JzHDCOy-00395-00098392-00098559 body engaged and retained the probe Tmv1JzHDCOy-00396-00098560-00098759 Center piston in the retracted position Tmv1JzHDCOy-00397-00098760-00099036 before vehicle separation in lunar orbit Tmv1JzHDCOy-00398-00099037-00099270 manual cocking of the 12 ring latches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00399-00099271-00099528 was accomplished the separating force Tmv1JzHDCOy-00400-00099529-00099711 from the internal pressure in the tunnel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00401-00099712-00099900 area was then transmitted from the ring Tmv1JzHDCOy-00402-00099901-00100173 latches to the probe-and-drogue in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00403-00100174-00100350 undocking the release of the capture Tmv1JzHDCOy-00404-00100351-00100530 latches was accomplished by electrically Tmv1JzHDCOy-00405-00100531-00100764 energizing tandem mounted DC rotary Tmv1JzHDCOy-00406-00100765-00100983 solenoids located in the center piston Tmv1JzHDCOy-00407-00100984-00101256 in a temperature degraded condition a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00408-00101257-00101451 single motor release operation was done Tmv1JzHDCOy-00409-00101452-00101631 manually in the lunar module by Tmv1JzHDCOy-00410-00101632-00101796 depressing the locking spool through an Tmv1JzHDCOy-00411-00101797-00101964 open hole in the probe heads while Tmv1JzHDCOy-00412-00101965-00102150 release from the CSM was done by Tmv1JzHDCOy-00413-00102151-00102333 rotating a release handle at the back of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00414-00102334-00102531 the probe to rotate the motor talk shaft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00415-00102532-00102794 manually when the command and lunar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00416-00102795-00103005 modules separated for the last time just Tmv1JzHDCOy-00417-00103006-00103221 before re-entry the probe and forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00418-00103222-00103380 docking ring were pyrotechnical II Tmv1JzHDCOy-00419-00103381-00103590 separated leaving all docking equipment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00420-00103591-00103821 attached to the lunar module in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00421-00103822-00103994 event of an abort during launch from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00422-00103995-00104132 Earth the same system would have Tmv1JzHDCOy-00423-00104133-00104331 explosively jettisoned the docking ring Tmv1JzHDCOy-00424-00104332-00104531 and probe from the CM as it separated Tmv1JzHDCOy-00425-00104532-00104916 from the boost protective cover topic Tmv1JzHDCOy-00426-00104917-00105114 cabin interior arrangement the central Tmv1JzHDCOy-00427-00105115-00105288 pressure vessel of the command module Tmv1JzHDCOy-00428-00105289-00105555 was its sole habitable compartment we've Tmv1JzHDCOy-00429-00105556-00105840 had an interior volume of 210 cubic feet Tmv1JzHDCOy-00430-00105841-00106101 5.9 cubic metres and has the main Tmv1JzHDCOy-00431-00106102-00106332 control panels crew seats guidance and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00432-00106333-00106511 navigation systems food and equipment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00433-00106513-00106725 lockers the waste management system and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00434-00106726-00106956 the docking tunnel dominating the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00435-00106957-00107118 forward section of the cabin was the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00436-00107119-00107289 crescent-shaped main display panel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00437-00107290-00107574 measuring nearly 7 feet 2.1 metres wide Tmv1JzHDCOy-00438-00107575-00107955 and 3 feet 0.91 metres tall it was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00439-00107956-00108110 arranged into three panels each Tmv1JzHDCOy-00440-00108111-00108300 emphasizing the duties of each crew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00441-00108301-00108555 member the mission commanders paneled Tmv1JzHDCOy-00442-00108556-00108789 left side included the velocity attitude Tmv1JzHDCOy-00443-00108790-00108996 and altitude indicators the primary Tmv1JzHDCOy-00444-00108997-00109182 flight controls and the main FDA eye Tmv1JzHDCOy-00445-00109183-00109482 flight director attitude indicator the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00446-00109483-00109685 CM pilot served as navigator Tmv1JzHDCOy-00447-00109686-00109914 so his control panel Center included the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00448-00109915-00110076 guidance and navigation computer Tmv1JzHDCOy-00449-00110077-00110205 controls the caution and warning Tmv1JzHDCOy-00450-00110206-00110433 indicator panel the event timer the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00451-00110433-00110631 service propulsion system and RCS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00452-00110632-00110829 controls and the environmental control Tmv1JzHDCOy-00453-00110830-00110967 system controls Tmv1JzHDCOy-00454-00110968-00111267 the LM pilot service systems engineer so Tmv1JzHDCOy-00455-00111268-00111444 his control panel right hand side Tmv1JzHDCOy-00456-00111445-00111633 included the fuel cell gauges and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00457-00111633-00111801 controls the electrical and battery Tmv1JzHDCOy-00458-00111802-00112058 controls and the communications controls Tmv1JzHDCOy-00459-00112058-00112286 flanking the sides of the main panel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00460-00112288-00112554 with sets of smaller control panels on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00461-00112555-00112709 the left side were a circuit breaker Tmv1JzHDCOy-00462-00112710-00112974 panel audio controls and the SCS power Tmv1JzHDCOy-00463-00112975-00113247 controls on the right were additional Tmv1JzHDCOy-00464-00113248-00113435 circuit breakers in a redundant audio Tmv1JzHDCOy-00465-00113436-00113577 control panel along with the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00466-00113578-00113880 environmental control switches in total Tmv1JzHDCOy-00467-00113881-00114120 the command module panels included 24 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00468-00114121-00114434 instruments 566 switches forty event Tmv1JzHDCOy-00469-00114435-00114761 indicators and 71 lights the three crew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00470-00114763-00114927 couches were constructed from hollow Tmv1JzHDCOy-00471-00114928-00115101 steel tubing and covered in a heavy Tmv1JzHDCOy-00472-00115102-00115392 fireproof cloth known as I'm along the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00473-00115393-00115583 leg pans of the two outer couches could Tmv1JzHDCOy-00474-00115584-00115743 be folded in a variety of positions Tmv1JzHDCOy-00475-00115744-00115941 while the hip pan of the center couch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00476-00115942-00116106 could be disconnected and laid on the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00477-00116107-00116408 aft bulkhead one rotation in one Tmv1JzHDCOy-00478-00116409-00116580 translation hand controller was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00479-00116581-00116751 installed on the armrest of the left Tmv1JzHDCOy-00480-00116752-00117024 hand couch the translation controller Tmv1JzHDCOy-00481-00117025-00117222 was used by the crew member performing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00482-00117223-00117432 the transposition docking and extraction Tmv1JzHDCOy-00483-00117433-00117663 maneuver with the LM usually the CM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00484-00117664-00117945 pilot the center and right hand couches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00485-00117946-00118179 had duplicate rotational controllers the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00486-00118180-00118353 couches were supported by eight shock Tmv1JzHDCOy-00487-00118354-00118545 attenuating struts designed to ease the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00488-00118546-00118767 impact of touchdown on water or in case Tmv1JzHDCOy-00489-00118768-00118984 of an emergency landing on solid ground Tmv1JzHDCOy-00490-00118985-00119283 the contiguous cabin space was organized Tmv1JzHDCOy-00491-00119283-00119466 into six equipment bays the lower Tmv1JzHDCOy-00492-00119467-00119670 equipment Bay which has the guidance and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00493-00119671-00119895 navigation computer sextant telescope Tmv1JzHDCOy-00494-00119896-00120096 and inertial measurement unit various Tmv1JzHDCOy-00495-00120097-00120300 communications beacons medical stores Tmv1JzHDCOy-00496-00120301-00120507 and audio Center the s-band power Tmv1JzHDCOy-00497-00120508-00120843 amplifier etc there was also an extra Tmv1JzHDCOy-00498-00120844-00121041 rotation hand controller mounted on the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00499-00121042-00121296 bay wall so the CM pilot navigator could Tmv1JzHDCOy-00500-00121297-00121470 rotate the spacecraft as needed while Tmv1JzHDCOy-00501-00121471-00121602 standing and looking through the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00502-00121603-00121755 telescope to find stars to take Tmv1JzHDCOy-00503-00121756-00121914 navigational measurements with the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00504-00121915-00122214 sextant this bait provided a significant Tmv1JzHDCOy-00505-00122215-00122382 amount of room for the astronauts to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00506-00122383-00122547 move around in unlike the cramped Tmv1JzHDCOy-00507-00122548-00122735 conditions which existed in the previous Tmv1JzHDCOy-00508-00122736-00123024 mercury and Gemini spacecraft the left Tmv1JzHDCOy-00509-00123025-00123195 hand forward equipment Bay which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00510-00123196-00123402 contained for food storage compartments Tmv1JzHDCOy-00511-00123403-00123594 the cabin heat exchanger pressure suit Tmv1JzHDCOy-00512-00123595-00123852 connector potable water supply and GNN Tmv1JzHDCOy-00513-00123853-00123966 telescope eyepieces Tmv1JzHDCOy-00514-00123967-00124221 the right hand forward equipment Bay Tmv1JzHDCOy-00515-00124222-00124352 which has to survive Tmv1JzHDCOy-00516-00124353-00124577 kid containers a data card kid flight Tmv1JzHDCOy-00517-00124578-00124782 data books and files and other mission Tmv1JzHDCOy-00518-00124783-00125075 documentation the left-hand intermediate Tmv1JzHDCOy-00519-00125076-00125276 equipment Bay housing the oxygen surge Tmv1JzHDCOy-00520-00125277-00125453 tank water delivery system Tmv1JzHDCOy-00521-00125454-00125646 food supplies the cabin pressure relief Tmv1JzHDCOy-00522-00125647-00126047 valve controls and the ACS package the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00523-00126048-00126236 right-hand intermediate equipment Bay Tmv1JzHDCOy-00524-00126237-00126434 which contained the bio instrument kits Tmv1JzHDCOy-00525-00126435-00126629 waste management system food and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00526-00126630-00126821 sanitary supplies and a waste storage Tmv1JzHDCOy-00527-00126822-00127172 compartment the aft storage Bay behind Tmv1JzHDCOy-00528-00127173-00127415 the crew couches this has the 70 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00529-00127416-00127577 millimeters camera equipment the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00530-00127578-00127796 astronauts garments toolsets storage Tmv1JzHDCOy-00531-00127797-00128072 bags a fire extinguisher co2 absorbers Tmv1JzHDCOy-00532-00128073-00128261 sleep restraint ropes spacesuit Tmv1JzHDCOy-00533-00128262-00128441 maintenance kits sixteen millimeters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00534-00128442-00128619 camera equipment and the contingency Tmv1JzHDCOy-00535-00128620-00128844 lunar sample container the CM had five Tmv1JzHDCOy-00536-00128845-00129171 windows the two side windows measured 13 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00537-00129172-00129464 inches 330 millimeters square next to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00538-00129465-00129710 the left and right hand couches two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00539-00129711-00129914 forward-facing triangular rendezvous Tmv1JzHDCOy-00540-00129915-00130194 windows measured 8 by 13 inches 200 by Tmv1JzHDCOy-00541-00130195-00130448 300 and 30 millimeters used to aid in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00542-00130449-00130719 rendezvous and docking with the LM the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00543-00130720-00130976 circular hatch window was 10 and 5/8 in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00544-00130977-00131297 diameter 27 centimeters and was directly Tmv1JzHDCOy-00545-00131298-00131549 over the center couch each window Tmv1JzHDCOy-00546-00131550-00131745 assembly consisted of three thick panes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00547-00131746-00131978 of glass the inner two panes which were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00548-00131979-00132191 made of alumina silicate made up part of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00549-00132192-00132437 the modules pressure vessel the fused Tmv1JzHDCOy-00550-00132438-00132629 silica outer pane served as both a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00551-00132630-00132800 debris shield and as part of the heat Tmv1JzHDCOy-00552-00132801-00133079 shield each pane had an anti-reflective Tmv1JzHDCOy-00553-00133080-00133253 coating and a blue red reflective Tmv1JzHDCOy-00554-00133254-00133862 coating on the inner surface Tmv1JzHDCOy-00555-00133863-00134653 topic specifications crew free crew Tmv1JzHDCOy-00556-00134654-00135056 cabin volume 218 cubic feet 6.2 cubic Tmv1JzHDCOy-00557-00135057-00135185 meters living space Tmv1JzHDCOy-00558-00135186-00135500 pressurized 366 cubic feet ten point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00559-00135501-00135821 four cubic meters length eleven point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00560-00135822-00136051 four feet three point five meters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00561-00136052-00136337 diameter twelve point eight feet three Tmv1JzHDCOy-00562-00136338-00136666 point nine meters mass twelve thousand Tmv1JzHDCOy-00563-00136667-00136835 two hundred and fifty pounds five Tmv1JzHDCOy-00564-00136836-00137115 thousand five hundred and 60 kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00565-00137116-00137345 structural mass three thousand four Tmv1JzHDCOy-00566-00137346-00137734 hundred and fifty pounds 1560 kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00567-00137735-00137989 heat shield mass one thousand eight Tmv1JzHDCOy-00568-00137990-00138176 hundred and seventy pounds eight hundred Tmv1JzHDCOy-00569-00138177-00138502 and fifty kilograms ICS engine mass Tmv1JzHDCOy-00570-00138503-00138679 twelve by seventy three point three Tmv1JzHDCOy-00571-00138680-00138982 pounds thirty three point two kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00572-00138983-00139244 recovery equipment mass five hundred and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00573-00139245-00139329 forty pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00574-00139330-00139729 240 kilograms navigation equipment mass Tmv1JzHDCOy-00575-00139730-00139913 one thousand one hundred and ten pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00576-00139914-00140215 five hundred kilograms telemetry Tmv1JzHDCOy-00577-00140216-00140396 equipment mask four hundred and forty Tmv1JzHDCOy-00578-00140397-00140740 pounds 200 kilograms electrical Tmv1JzHDCOy-00579-00140741-00141059 equipment mask 1,500 pounds six hundred Tmv1JzHDCOy-00580-00141060-00141344 and eighty kilograms communications Tmv1JzHDCOy-00581-00141345-00141729 systems mask 220 pounds 100 kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00582-00141730-00142085 crew captures and provisions masks 1,200 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00583-00142086-00142387 pounds five hundred and forty kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00584-00142388-00142619 environmental control system mass four Tmv1JzHDCOy-00585-00142620-00142897 hundred and forty pounds 200 kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00586-00142898-00143123 misc contingency masks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00587-00143124-00143329 four hundred and forty pounds 200 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00588-00143330-00143897 kilograms ICS 1293 lbf 410 n thrusters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00589-00143898-00144475 firing in pairs ICS propellants MMH n2o4 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00590-00144476-00144896 ICS propellant mass 270 pounds 120 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00591-00144897-00145286 kilograms drinking water capacity 33 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00592-00145287-00145619 pounds 15 kilograms waste water capacity Tmv1JzHDCOy-00593-00145620-00146039 58 pounds twenty six kilograms co2 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00594-00146040-00146408 scrubber lithium hydroxide odor absorber Tmv1JzHDCOy-00595-00146409-00146723 activated charcoal electric system Tmv1JzHDCOy-00596-00146724-00146975 batteries free 40mp our silver zinc Tmv1JzHDCOy-00597-00146976-00147252 batteries to 0.75 ampere Tmv1JzHDCOy-00598-00147253-00147506 our silver zinc pyrotechnic batteries Tmv1JzHDCOy-00599-00147507-00147795 parachute to 16 feet four point nine Tmv1JzHDCOy-00600-00147796-00148028 meters conical ribbon drogue parachutes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00601-00148029-00148374 37.2 fee 2.2 meters reach up pilot Tmv1JzHDCOy-00602-00148375-00148836 parachutes 380 3.5 feet 25 5 meters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00603-00148837-00149392 bring sail main parachutes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00604-00149393-00150320 topic service module SM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00605-00150321-00150771 topic construction Tmv1JzHDCOy-00606-00150772-00151023 the service module was an unpressurized Tmv1JzHDCOy-00607-00151024-00151309 cylindrical structure measuring 24 feet Tmv1JzHDCOy-00608-00151310-00151672 7 inches 7.4 9 meters long in 12 feet 10 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00609-00151673-00152061 inches 3.91 meters in diameter the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00610-00152062-00152226 interior was a simple structure Tmv1JzHDCOy-00611-00152227-00152424 consisting of a central tunnel section Tmv1JzHDCOy-00612-00152425-00152679 44 inches 1.1 meters in diameter Tmv1JzHDCOy-00613-00152680-00153019 surrounded by six pie shaped sectors the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00614-00153020-00153159 sector's were topped by a forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00615-00153160-00153390 bulkhead and fairing separated by six Tmv1JzHDCOy-00616-00153391-00153607 radial beams covered on the outside by Tmv1JzHDCOy-00617-00153608-00153808 four honeycomb panels and supported by Tmv1JzHDCOy-00618-00153809-00154023 an aft bulkhead in engine heat shield Tmv1JzHDCOy-00619-00154024-00154297 the sector's were not all equal 60 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00620-00154298-00154497 degrees angles but varied according to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00621-00154498-00154878 required size sector 150 degrees was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00622-00154879-00155073 originally unused so it was filled with Tmv1JzHDCOy-00623-00155074-00155277 ballast to maintain the SM center of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00624-00155278-00155550 gravity on the last three lunar landing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00625-00155551-00155736 IJ class missions it carried the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00626-00155737-00155964 scientific instrument module sim which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00627-00155965-00156145 contained a package of lunar orbital Tmv1JzHDCOy-00628-00156146-00156516 sensors in a sub satellite sector 270 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00629-00156517-00156714 degrees contained the service propulsion Tmv1JzHDCOy-00630-00156715-00156999 system SPS oxidizer sump tank so-called Tmv1JzHDCOy-00631-00157000-00157176 because it directly fed the engine and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00632-00157177-00157335 was kept continuously filled by a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00633-00157336-00157524 separate storage tank until the latter Tmv1JzHDCOy-00634-00157525-00157803 was empty the sump tank was a cylinder Tmv1JzHDCOy-00635-00157804-00158095 with hemispherical ends 150 three point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00636-00158096-00158446 eight inches 3.91 meters high 51 inches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00637-00158447-00158707 1.3 meters in diameter and contained Tmv1JzHDCOy-00638-00158708-00158869 thirteen thousand nine hundred and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00639-00158870-00159225 twenty-three pounds 6315 kilograms of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00640-00159226-00159624 oxidizer sector 360-degrees contained Tmv1JzHDCOy-00641-00159625-00159864 the SPS oxidizer storage tank which was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00642-00159865-00160035 the same shape as a sump tank but Tmv1JzHDCOy-00643-00160036-00160347 slightly smaller at 154 point four seven Tmv1JzHDCOy-00644-00160348-00160686 inches 3.9 to four meters high in 44 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00645-00160687-00160969 inches 1.1 meters in diameter and held Tmv1JzHDCOy-00646-00160970-00161460 11,000 284 pounds 5118 kilograms of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00647-00161461-00161850 oxidizer sector 450 degrees contained Tmv1JzHDCOy-00648-00161851-00162094 the electrical power system EPS fuel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00649-00162095-00162271 cells with their hydrogen and oxygen Tmv1JzHDCOy-00650-00162272-00162654 reactants sector 570 degrees contained Tmv1JzHDCOy-00651-00162655-00162963 the SPS fuel sump tank this was the same Tmv1JzHDCOy-00652-00162964-00163185 size as the oxidizer sump tank and held Tmv1JzHDCOy-00653-00163186-00163338 eight thousand seven hundred and eight Tmv1JzHDCOy-00654-00163339-00163531 pounds three thousand nine hundred and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00655-00163532-00163897 fifty kilograms of fuel sector six sixty Tmv1JzHDCOy-00656-00163898-00164124 degrees contained the SPS fuel storage Tmv1JzHDCOy-00657-00164125-00164349 tank also the same size as the oxidizer Tmv1JzHDCOy-00658-00164350-00164640 storage tank it held seven thousand and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00659-00164641-00164968 fifty eight pounds 3201 kilograms of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00660-00164969-00165153 fuel the forward fairing measured two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00661-00165154-00165450 feet 10 inches 860 millimetres long and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00662-00165451-00165678 has the reaction control system RCS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00663-00165679-00165933 computer power distribution block ECS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00664-00165934-00166134 controller separation controller and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00665-00166135-00166338 components for the high gain antenna and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00666-00166339-00166551 included a DPS radiators in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00667-00166552-00166740 umbilical connection arm containing the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00668-00166741-00166923 main electrical and plumbing connections Tmv1JzHDCOy-00669-00166924-00167190 to the CM the faring externally Tmv1JzHDCOy-00670-00167191-00167364 contained a retractable forward-facing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00671-00167365-00167577 spotlight and Eva floodlight a the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00672-00167578-00167760 command module pilot in sim film Tmv1JzHDCOy-00673-00167761-00167932 retrieval and a flashing rendezvous Tmv1JzHDCOy-00674-00167933-00168165 beacon visible from 54 nautical miles Tmv1JzHDCOy-00675-00168166-00168435 100 kilometres away as a navigation aid Tmv1JzHDCOy-00676-00168436-00168765 for rendezvous with the LM the SM was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00677-00168766-00168994 connected to the CM using three tension Tmv1JzHDCOy-00678-00168995-00169248 ties and six compression pads the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00679-00169249-00169447 tension ties were stainless steel straps Tmv1JzHDCOy-00680-00169448-00169686 bolted to the CMS aft heat shield Tmv1JzHDCOy-00681-00169687-00169906 he'd remained attached to the command Tmv1JzHDCOy-00682-00169907-00170071 module throughout most of the mission Tmv1JzHDCOy-00683-00170072-00170241 until being jettisoned just prior to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00684-00170242-00170514 re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere at Tmv1JzHDCOy-00685-00170515-00170760 jettison the CM umbilical connections Tmv1JzHDCOy-00686-00170761-00170979 were cut using a pyrotechnic activated Tmv1JzHDCOy-00687-00170980-00171252 guillotine assembly following jettison Tmv1JzHDCOy-00688-00171253-00171486 the SM aft translation thrusters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00689-00171487-00171672 automatically fired continuously to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00690-00171673-00171876 distance it from the CM until either the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00691-00171877-00172110 ICS fuel or the fuel cell power was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00692-00172111-00172381 depleted the roll thrusters were also Tmv1JzHDCOy-00693-00172382-00172578 fired for five seconds to make sure it Tmv1JzHDCOy-00694-00172579-00172756 followed a different trajectory from the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00695-00172757-00173427 CM and faster breakup on re-entry Tmv1JzHDCOy-00696-00173428-00174111 topic service propulsion system the SPS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00697-00174112-00174285 engine was used to place the Apollo Tmv1JzHDCOy-00698-00174286-00174498 spacecraft into an out of lunar orbit Tmv1JzHDCOy-00699-00174499-00174672 and for mid-course Corrections between Tmv1JzHDCOy-00700-00174673-00174945 the Earth and Moon it also served as a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00701-00174946-00175143 retro rocket to perform the deorbit burn Tmv1JzHDCOy-00702-00175144-00175413 for earth orbital Apollo flights the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00703-00175414-00175752 engine selected was the AJ 10 - 137 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00704-00175753-00175986 which used eros in 50 as fuel and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00705-00175987-00176301 nitrogen tetroxide n2o4 as oxidizer to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00706-00176302-00176676 produce 20,500 lbf 91 kilonewtons of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00707-00176677-00176934 thrust the thrust level was twice what Tmv1JzHDCOy-00708-00176935-00177132 was needed to accomplish the lunar orbit Tmv1JzHDCOy-00709-00177133-00177354 rendezvous law mission mode because the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00710-00177355-00177528 engine was originally sized to lift the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00711-00177529-00177720 CSM off of the lunar surface in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00712-00177721-00177918 direct descent mode assumed in original Tmv1JzHDCOy-00713-00177919-00178107 planning see choosing a mission mode a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00714-00178108-00178383 contract was signed in April 1962 for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00715-00178384-00178569 the Aerojet general company to start Tmv1JzHDCOy-00716-00178570-00178740 developing the engine before the long Tmv1JzHDCOy-00717-00178741-00178941 road was officially chosen in July of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00718-00178942-00179094 that year the propellants were pressure Tmv1JzHDCOy-00719-00179095-00179301 fed to the engine by thirty nine point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00720-00179302-00179586 two cubic feet 1.11 cubic metres of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00721-00179587-00179880 gaseous helium at 3,600 pounds per Tmv1JzHDCOy-00722-00179881-00180144 square inch 25 mega Pascal's carried in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00723-00180145-00180537 two 40-inch 1.0 m/s tanks the exhaust Tmv1JzHDCOy-00724-00180538-00180882 nozzle engine Bell measured 150 2.8 two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00725-00180883-00181134 inches three point eight 8/2 meters long Tmv1JzHDCOy-00726-00181135-00181317 in ninety-eight point four eight inches Tmv1JzHDCOy-00727-00181318-00181548 two point five zero one metres wide at Tmv1JzHDCOy-00728-00181549-00181824 the base it was mounted on two Gimbels Tmv1JzHDCOy-00729-00181825-00181998 to keep the thrust vector aligned with Tmv1JzHDCOy-00730-00181999-00182235 the spacecraft center of mass during SPS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00731-00182236-00182496 firings the combustion chamber and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00732-00182497-00182658 pressure on tanks were housed in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00733-00182659-00183197 central tunnel Tmv1JzHDCOy-00734-00183198-00183733 topic reaction control system Tmv1JzHDCOy-00735-00183734-00183969 for clusters of for reaction control Tmv1JzHDCOy-00736-00183970-00184235 system RCS thrusters were installed Tmv1JzHDCOy-00737-00184236-00184436 around the upper section of the SM every Tmv1JzHDCOy-00738-00184437-00184763 90 degrees the 16 thruster arrangement Tmv1JzHDCOy-00739-00184764-00184898 provided rotation and translation Tmv1JzHDCOy-00740-00184899-00185168 control in all three spacecraft axes Tmv1JzHDCOy-00741-00185169-00185510 each are for defrosted generated 100 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00742-00185511-00185819 pounds force 440 n of frost and used Tmv1JzHDCOy-00743-00185820-00186071 monomethylhydrazine mmh as fuel and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00744-00186072-00186428 nitrogen tetroxide NT o as oxidizer each Tmv1JzHDCOy-00745-00186429-00186662 quoted assembly measured 8 by 3 feet two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00746-00186663-00186884 point four four by zero point nine one Tmv1JzHDCOy-00747-00186885-00187076 meters and had its own fuel tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00748-00187077-00187307 oxidizer tanks helium pressure on tank Tmv1JzHDCOy-00749-00187308-00187544 and associated valves and regulators Tmv1JzHDCOy-00750-00187545-00187799 each cluster of Bruster's had its own Tmv1JzHDCOy-00751-00187800-00188031 independent primary fuel MMH Tmv1JzHDCOy-00752-00188032-00188213 tank containing sixty nine point one Tmv1JzHDCOy-00753-00188214-00188459 pounds thirty-one point three kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00754-00188460-00188738 secondary fuel tank containing 45 point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00755-00188739-00188932 two pounds 20 point five kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00756-00188933-00189314 primary oxidizer tank containing 137 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00757-00189315-00189602 point five pounds 62.1 kilograms and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00758-00189603-00189806 secondary oxidizer tank containing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00759-00189807-00190028 eighty nine point two pounds forty point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00760-00190029-00190271 five kilograms the fuel and oxidizer Tmv1JzHDCOy-00761-00190272-00190499 tanks were pressurized by a single Tmv1JzHDCOy-00762-00190500-00190706 liquid helium tank containing one point Tmv1JzHDCOy-00763-00190707-00191035 three five pounds 0.61 kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00764-00191036-00191276 backflow was prevented by a series of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00765-00191277-00191477 check valves and backflow and haulage Tmv1JzHDCOy-00766-00191478-00191657 requirements were resolved by containing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00767-00191658-00191897 the fuel and oxidizer in teflon bladders Tmv1JzHDCOy-00768-00191898-00192065 which separated the propellants from the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00769-00192066-00192251 helium pressure on all of the elements Tmv1JzHDCOy-00770-00192252-00192419 were duplicated resulting in four Tmv1JzHDCOy-00771-00192420-00192752 completely independent ICS clusters only Tmv1JzHDCOy-00772-00192753-00192935 two adjacent functioning units were Tmv1JzHDCOy-00773-00192936-00193094 needed to allow complete attitude Tmv1JzHDCOy-00774-00193095-00193298 control the lunar module used a similar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00775-00193299-00193490 forecourt arrangement of the identical Tmv1JzHDCOy-00776-00193491-00194159 thruster engines for its RCS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00777-00194160-00194717 topic electrical power system Tmv1JzHDCOy-00778-00194718-00194952 electrical power was produced by three Tmv1JzHDCOy-00779-00194953-00195264 fuel cells each measuring 44 inches 1.1 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00780-00195265-00195621 meters tall by 22 inches 0.5 6 meters in Tmv1JzHDCOy-00781-00195622-00195900 diameter and weighing 245 pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00782-00195901-00196254 111 kilograms these combined hydrogen Tmv1JzHDCOy-00783-00196255-00196428 and oxygen to generate electrical power Tmv1JzHDCOy-00784-00196429-00196623 and produced drinkable water as a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00785-00196624-00196872 by-product the cells were fed by two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00786-00196873-00197181 hemispherical cylindrical 31.7 5 inch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00787-00197182-00197493 0.8 0 6 meters diameter tanks each Tmv1JzHDCOy-00788-00197494-00197796 holding 29 pounds 13 kilograms of liquid Tmv1JzHDCOy-00789-00197797-00198141 hydrogen and two spherical 26 inch 0.6 6 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00790-00198142-00198456 meters diameter tanks each holding 326 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00791-00198457-00198750 pounds 148 kilograms of liquid oxygen Tmv1JzHDCOy-00792-00198751-00198951 which also supplied the environmental Tmv1JzHDCOy-00793-00198952-00199209 control system on the flight of Apollo Tmv1JzHDCOy-00794-00199210-00199293 13 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00795-00199294-00199512 the EPS was disabled by an explosive Tmv1JzHDCOy-00796-00199513-00199698 rupture of one oxygen tank which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00797-00199699-00199869 punctured the second tank and led to the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00798-00199870-00200160 loss of all oxygen after the accident a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00799-00200161-00200355 third oxygen tank was added to obviate Tmv1JzHDCOy-00800-00200356-00200691 operation below 50% tank capacity that Tmv1JzHDCOy-00801-00200692-00200862 allowed the elimination of the tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00802-00200863-00201042 internal stirring fan equipment which Tmv1JzHDCOy-00803-00201043-00201339 had contributed to the failure also Tmv1JzHDCOy-00804-00201340-00201591 starting with Apollo 14 a 400 hour Tmv1JzHDCOy-00805-00201592-00201804 auxilary battery was added to the SM for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00806-00201805-00202119 emergency use Apollo 13 had drawn Tmv1JzHDCOy-00807-00202120-00202290 heavily on its entry batteries in the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00808-00202291-00202467 first hours after the explosion and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00809-00202468-00202638 while this new battery could not power Tmv1JzHDCOy-00810-00202639-00202863 the CM for more than 5 to 10 hours it Tmv1JzHDCOy-00811-00202864-00202998 would buy time in the event of a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00812-00202999-00203198 temporary loss of all three fuel cells Tmv1JzHDCOy-00813-00203199-00203445 such an event had occurred when Apollo Tmv1JzHDCOy-00814-00203446-00203655 12 was struck twice by lightning during Tmv1JzHDCOy-00815-00203656-00204164 launch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00816-00204165-00204823 topic environmental control system cabin Tmv1JzHDCOy-00817-00204825-00205031 atmosphere was maintained at five pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00818-00205032-00205283 per square inch 34 kiloPascals of pure Tmv1JzHDCOy-00819-00205284-00205502 oxygen from the same liquid oxygen tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-00820-00205503-00205676 that fed the electrical power systems Tmv1JzHDCOy-00821-00205677-00205966 fuel cells potable water supplied by the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00822-00205967-00206156 fuel cells were stored for drinking and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00823-00206157-00206413 food preparation a thermal control Tmv1JzHDCOy-00824-00206414-00206587 system using a mixture of water and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00825-00206588-00206788 ethylene glycol is coolant dump waste Tmv1JzHDCOy-00826-00206789-00206986 heat from the CM cabin and electronics Tmv1JzHDCOy-00827-00206987-00207265 to outer space via 230 square foot 2.8 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00828-00207266-00207485 square meters radiators located on the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00829-00207486-00207686 lower section of the exterior walls one Tmv1JzHDCOy-00830-00207687-00207844 covering sectors two and three and the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00831-00207846-00208491 other covering sectors five and six Tmv1JzHDCOy-00832-00208492-00209151 topic communication system short range Tmv1JzHDCOy-00833-00209152-00209388 communications between the CSM and LM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00834-00209389-00209652 employed to VHF similar antennas mounted Tmv1JzHDCOy-00835-00209653-00209969 on the sm just above the ACS radiators a Tmv1JzHDCOy-00836-00209971-00210234 steerable unified s band high gain Tmv1JzHDCOy-00837-00210235-00210435 antenna for long-range communications Tmv1JzHDCOy-00838-00210436-00210609 with earth was mounted on the aft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00839-00210610-00210909 bulkhead this was an array of four 31 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00840-00210910-00211225 inch 0.79 meters diameter reflectors Tmv1JzHDCOy-00841-00211226-00211519 surrounding a single 11 inch 0.28 meters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00842-00211519-00211798 square reflector during launch it was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00843-00211798-00212004 folded down parallel to the main engine Tmv1JzHDCOy-00844-00212005-00212194 to fit inside the spacecraft two LM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00845-00212194-00212559 adapter SLA after CSM separation from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00846-00212560-00212784 the SLA it deployed at a right angle to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00847-00212785-00213135 the SM for omnidirectional s-band Tmv1JzHDCOy-00848-00213136-00213342 antennas on the CM were used when the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00849-00213344-00213528 attitude of the CSM kept the high gain Tmv1JzHDCOy-00850-00213529-00213717 antenna from being pointed at earth Tmv1JzHDCOy-00851-00213719-00213960 these antennas were also used between sm Tmv1JzHDCOy-00852-00213961-00214536 jettison and landing Tmv1JzHDCOy-00853-00214537-00215065 topic specifications Tmv1JzHDCOy-00854-00215066-00215277 length twenty four point eight feet Tmv1JzHDCOy-00855-00215278-00215614 seven point six meters diameter twelve Tmv1JzHDCOy-00856-00215615-00215841 point eight feet three point nine meters Tmv1JzHDCOy-00857-00215842-00216214 mass 54,000 and sixty pounds twenty four Tmv1JzHDCOy-00858-00216215-00216346 thousand five hundred and twenty Tmv1JzHDCOy-00859-00216346-00216753 kilograms structure mass 4,200 pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00860-00216754-00217167 1000 900 kilograms electrical equipment Tmv1JzHDCOy-00861-00217169-00217680 mass 2600 pounds 1200 kilograms service Tmv1JzHDCOy-00862-00217681-00218017 propulsion SPS engine mass 6,600 pounds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00863-00218017-00218409 3,000 kilograms SPS engine propellants Tmv1JzHDCOy-00864-00218410-00218592 forty thousand five hundred and ninety Tmv1JzHDCOy-00865-00218594-00218802 pounds 18 thousand four hundred and ten Tmv1JzHDCOy-00866-00218803-00219428 kilograms RCS thrust to or 4x100 lbf 440 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00867-00219429-00219940 n-r-c-s propellants MMH n2o4 SPS engine Tmv1JzHDCOy-00868-00219941-00220176 thrust twenty thousand five hundred lbf Tmv1JzHDCOy-00869-00220177-00220492 ninety one thousand n SPS engine Tmv1JzHDCOy-00870-00220492-00221234 propellants udmh n2h4 n2o4 SPS ISP 314 s Tmv1JzHDCOy-00871-00221235-00221667 3,100 NS per kilogram spacecraft Delta V Tmv1JzHDCOy-00872-00221669-00221823 nine thousand two hundred feet per Tmv1JzHDCOy-00873-00221825-00222158 second 2,800 meters per second Tmv1JzHDCOy-00874-00222159-00222471 electrical system three one four Tmv1JzHDCOy-00875-00222473-00223136 kilowatts 30 volts DC fuel cells Tmv1JzHDCOy-00876-00223137-00223409 topic modifications for Saturn IB Tmv1JzHDCOy-00877-00223410-00223832 missions Tmv1JzHDCOy-00878-00223833-00224051 the payload capability of the Saturn IB Tmv1JzHDCOy-00879-00224052-00224217 launch vehicle used to launch the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00880-00224217-00224417 low-earth orbit missions Apollo 1 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00881-00224418-00224723 planned Apollo 7 Skylab 2 Skylab 3 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00882-00224724-00224988 Skylab 4 an Apollo Soyuz could not Tmv1JzHDCOy-00883-00224989-00225143 handle the sixty six thousand nine Tmv1JzHDCOy-00884-00225144-00225344 hundred pound 30 thousand three hundred Tmv1JzHDCOy-00885-00225345-00225580 kilograms mass of the fully fueled CSM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00886-00225581-00225827 this was not a problem because the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00887-00225828-00226028 spacecraft Delta V requirement of these Tmv1JzHDCOy-00888-00226029-00226181 missions was much smaller than that of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00889-00226182-00226341 the lunar mission therefore they could Tmv1JzHDCOy-00890-00226342-00226499 be launched with less than half of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00891-00226500-00226727 full SPS propellant load by filling only Tmv1JzHDCOy-00892-00226728-00226904 the SPS sump tanks and leaving the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00893-00226905-00227204 storage tanks empty the CSM's launched Tmv1JzHDCOy-00894-00227205-00227420 in orbit on Saturn IB ranged from thirty Tmv1JzHDCOy-00895-00227421-00227592 two thousand five hundred and fifty Tmv1JzHDCOy-00896-00227592-00227780 eight pounds fourteen thousand seven Tmv1JzHDCOy-00897-00227781-00227913 hundred and sixty eight kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00898-00227914-00228170 apollo-soyuz to forty six thousand Tmv1JzHDCOy-00899-00228171-00228335 pounds twenty-one thousand kilograms Tmv1JzHDCOy-00900-00228336-00228728 Skylab for the omnidirectional antennas Tmv1JzHDCOy-00901-00228729-00228893 sufficed for ground communications Tmv1JzHDCOy-00902-00228894-00229092 during the earth orbital missions so the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00903-00229092-00229307 high-gain s-band antenna on the sm was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00904-00229308-00229553 emitted from apollo one apollo 7 and the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00905-00229554-00229839 three Skylab flights it was restored for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00906-00229840-00230040 the apollo-soyuz mission to communicate Tmv1JzHDCOy-00907-00230041-00230214 through the minus six austrian shilling Tmv1JzHDCOy-00908-00230215-00230412 satellite in geostationary orbit an Tmv1JzHDCOy-00909-00230413-00230600 experimental precursor to the current Tmv1JzHDCOy-00910-00230601-00230954 tdrss system on the Skylab and Apollo Tmv1JzHDCOy-00911-00230955-00231165 Soyuz missions some additional dry Tmv1JzHDCOy-00912-00231166-00231315 weight was saved by removing the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00913-00231316-00231491 otherwise empty fuel and oxidizer Tmv1JzHDCOy-00914-00231492-00231674 storage tanks leaving the partially Tmv1JzHDCOy-00915-00231675-00231854 filled sump tanks along with one of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00916-00231855-00232118 two helium pressure on tanks this Tmv1JzHDCOy-00917-00232119-00232338 permitted the addition of some extra RCS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00918-00232339-00232508 propellant to allow for use as a backup Tmv1JzHDCOy-00919-00232509-00232697 for the deorbit burn in case of possible Tmv1JzHDCOy-00920-00232698-00232958 SPS failure since the spacecraft for the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00921-00232959-00233126 Skylab missions would not be occupied Tmv1JzHDCOy-00922-00233127-00233318 for most of the mission there was lower Tmv1JzHDCOy-00923-00233319-00233528 demand on the power system so one of the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00924-00233529-00233712 three fuel cells was deleted from these Tmv1JzHDCOy-00925-00233713-00234044 SMS the command module could be modified Tmv1JzHDCOy-00926-00234045-00234254 to carry extra astronauts as passengers Tmv1JzHDCOy-00927-00234255-00234455 by adding jump seat couches in the aft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00928-00234456-00234872 equipment Bay CM 119 was fitted with two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00929-00234873-00235091 jump seats as a Skylab rescue vehicle Tmv1JzHDCOy-00930-00235092-00235694 which was never used Tmv1JzHDCOy-00931-00235694-00236006 topic major differences between block I Tmv1JzHDCOy-00932-00236007-00236748 and block 2 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00933-00236750-00237234 topic command module Tmv1JzHDCOy-00934-00237235-00237419 the block - used a one-piece Tmv1JzHDCOy-00935-00237421-00237603 quick-release outward opening hatch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00936-00237604-00237789 instead of the two-piece plug hatch used Tmv1JzHDCOy-00937-00237790-00237978 on block I in which the inner piece had Tmv1JzHDCOy-00938-00237979-00238148 to be unbolted and placed inside the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00939-00238150-00238319 cabin in order to enter or exit the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00940-00238321-00238482 spacecraft a floor that doomed the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00941-00238483-00238767 Apollo 1 crew the block to hatch could Tmv1JzHDCOy-00942-00238767-00238994 be open quickly in case of an emergency Tmv1JzHDCOy-00943-00238996-00239232 both hatch versions were covered with an Tmv1JzHDCOy-00944-00239233-00239417 extra removable section of the boost Tmv1JzHDCOy-00945-00239419-00239619 protective cover which surrounded the CM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00946-00239619-00239825 to protect it in case of a launch aboard Tmv1JzHDCOy-00947-00239826-00240087 the block I forward access tunnel was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00948-00240088-00240282 smaller than block 2 and intended only Tmv1JzHDCOy-00949-00240283-00240467 for emergency crew egress after Tmv1JzHDCOy-00950-00240469-00240648 splashdown in case of problems with the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00951-00240648-00240915 main hatch it was covered by the nose of Tmv1JzHDCOy-00952-00240916-00241085 the forward heat shield during flight Tmv1JzHDCOy-00953-00241086-00241353 block 2 contained a shorter forward heat Tmv1JzHDCOy-00954-00241354-00241515 shield with a flat removable hatch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00955-00241516-00241662 beneath a docking ring and probe Tmv1JzHDCOy-00956-00241663-00241889 mechanism which captured and held the LM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00957-00241890-00242196 the aluminized pet film layer which gave Tmv1JzHDCOy-00958-00242196-00242358 the block two heat shield a shiny Tmv1JzHDCOy-00959-00242359-00242541 mirrored appearance was absent on block Tmv1JzHDCOy-00960-00242542-00242763 I exposing the light gray epoxy resin Tmv1JzHDCOy-00961-00242764-00242921 material which on some flights was Tmv1JzHDCOy-00962-00242923-00243252 painted white the block I VHF scimitar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00963-00243253-00243398 antennas were located in two Tmv1JzHDCOy-00964-00243400-00243594 semicircular strikes originally thought Tmv1JzHDCOy-00965-00243594-00243798 necessary to help stabilise the CM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00966-00243798-00243902 during reentry Tmv1JzHDCOy-00967-00243903-00244158 however the uncrewed reentry tests Tmv1JzHDCOy-00968-00244159-00244311 proved these to be unnecessary for Tmv1JzHDCOy-00969-00244312-00244523 stability and also aerodynamically Tmv1JzHDCOy-00970-00244525-00244701 ineffective at high simulated lunar Tmv1JzHDCOy-00971-00244702-00244829 re-entry speeds Tmv1JzHDCOy-00972-00244830-00245064 therefore the strikes were removed from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00973-00245065-00245241 block 2 and the antennas were moved to Tmv1JzHDCOy-00974-00245242-00245589 the service module the block IC M SM Tmv1JzHDCOy-00975-00245590-00245769 umbilical connector was smaller than on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00976-00245769-00245955 block 2 located me the crew hatch Tmv1JzHDCOy-00977-00245956-00246183 instead of nearly 180 degrees away from Tmv1JzHDCOy-00978-00246184-00246459 it the separation point was between the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00979-00246460-00246657 modules instead of the larger hinged arm Tmv1JzHDCOy-00980-00246658-00246864 mounted on the service module separating Tmv1JzHDCOy-00981-00246865-00247236 at the CM sidewall on block to the two- Tmv1JzHDCOy-00982-00247237-00247467 pitch RCS engines located in the forward Tmv1JzHDCOy-00983-00247467-00247641 compartment were arranged vertically on Tmv1JzHDCOy-00984-00247642-00248321 block I and horizontally on block 2 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00985-00248321-00248816 topic service module Tmv1JzHDCOy-00986-00248817-00249034 on the Apollo six uncrewed block I Tmv1JzHDCOy-00987-00249035-00249232 flight the SM was painted white to match Tmv1JzHDCOy-00988-00249233-00249512 the command modules appearance on Apollo Tmv1JzHDCOy-00989-00249513-00249742 one Apollo 4 and all the block 2 Tmv1JzHDCOy-00990-00249744-00249934 spacecraft the SM walls were left Tmv1JzHDCOy-00991-00249935-00250163 unpainted except for the EPS and ECS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00992-00250164-00250492 radiators which were white the EPS and Tmv1JzHDCOy-00993-00250494-00250717 ECS radiators were redesigned for block Tmv1JzHDCOy-00994-00250719-00250925 to block I had three larger EPS Tmv1JzHDCOy-00995-00250926-00251252 radiators located on sectors 1 & 4 the Tmv1JzHDCOy-00996-00251253-00251521 ec s radiators were located on the aft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00997-00251523-00251846 section of sectors 2 & 5 the block I Tmv1JzHDCOy-00998-00251846-00252041 fuel cells were located at the aft Tmv1JzHDCOy-00999-00252042-00252242 bulkhead in sector 4 and their hydrogen Tmv1JzHDCOy-01000-00252242-00252460 and oxygen tanks were located in Sector Tmv1JzHDCOy-01001-00252461-00252817 one block I had slightly longer SPS fuel Tmv1JzHDCOy-01002-00252819-00253003 and oxidizer tanks which carried more Tmv1JzHDCOy-01003-00253004-00253346 propellant than block 2 the block 2 aft Tmv1JzHDCOy-01004-00253346-00253528 heat shield was a rectangular shape with Tmv1JzHDCOy-01005-00253529-00253676 slightly rounded corners at the Tmv1JzHDCOy-01006-00253677-00253928 propellant tank sectors the block ice Tmv1JzHDCOy-01007-00253929-00254114 shield was the same basic shape but Tmv1JzHDCOy-01008-00254115-00254278 bulged out slightly near the ends more Tmv1JzHDCOy-01009-00254279-00254479 like an hourglass or figure 8 to cover Tmv1JzHDCOy-01010-00254480-00255066 more of the tanks Tmv1JzHDCOy-01011-00255067-00255980 topic CSM's produced Tmv1JzHDCOy-01012-00255981-00256492 topic see also Tmv1JzHDCOy-01013-00256492-00256957 orbital module re-entry capsule space Tmv1JzHDCOy-01014-00256958-00257527 capsule spacesuit space exploration u.s. Tmv1JzHDCOy-01015-00257528-00257961 space exploration history on us stamps Tmv1JzHDCOy-01016-00257962-00258246 Apollo Lunar Module TmH2HBOUwey-00000-00000074-00000286 Pennsylvania's seventh congressional TmH2HBOUwey-00001-00000287-00000461 district incorporates parts of the TmH2HBOUwey-00002-00000462-00000680 Philadelphia suburbs including most of TmH2HBOUwey-00003-00000681-00000883 Delaware County along with portions of TmH2HBOUwey-00004-00000884-00001112 Chester County Montgomery County Berks TmH2HBOUwey-00005-00001113-00001382 County and Lancaster County it is TmH2HBOUwey-00006-00001383-00001603 currently vacant and last represented by TmH2HBOUwey-00007-00001604-00001918 Republican pat Mian in the 115th united TmH2HBOUwey-00008-00001919-00002114 states congress who resigned on April TmH2HBOUwey-00009-00002115-00002485 27th 2018 Mary gave Scanlon one the TmH2HBOUwey-00010-00002486-00002687 special election to replace Mian in the TmH2HBOUwey-00011-00002688-00002963 current Congress susan wild won the TmH2HBOUwey-00012-00002964-00003146 election in the new redrawn district TmH2HBOUwey-00013-00003147-00003463 taking office January 3rd 2019 the TmH2HBOUwey-00014-00003464-00003725 districts extreme non congruity was the TmH2HBOUwey-00015-00003726-00004045 result of gerrymandering On January 22nd TmH2HBOUwey-00016-00004046-00004250 2018 the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania TmH2HBOUwey-00017-00004251-00004486 ruled that the map violated the state TmH2HBOUwey-00018-00004487-00004711 constitution and in February it issued TmH2HBOUwey-00019-00004712-00004910 its own district boundaries for use in TmH2HBOUwey-00020-00004911-00005141 the 2018 elections and representation TmH2HBOUwey-00021-00005142-00005426 thereafter most of the population in the TmH2HBOUwey-00022-00005427-00005600 old seventh will become part of a new TmH2HBOUwey-00023-00005601-00005816 heavily Democratic fifth district while TmH2HBOUwey-00024-00005817-00006008 most of the old 15th district will TmH2HBOUwey-00025-00006009-00006708 become a new marginal 7th district TmH2HBOUwey-00026-00006709-00007216 topic elections TmH2HBOUwey-00027-00007217-00007583 you TmH2HBOUwey-00028-00007584-00008127 topic geography TmH2HBOUwey-00029-00008128-00008496 the 2003 to 2013 version of the district TmH2HBOUwey-00030-00008497-00008699 was located in southeastern Pennsylvania TmH2HBOUwey-00031-00008700-00008919 it contained the western and TmH2HBOUwey-00032-00008920-00009165 northwestern suburbs of Philadelphia it TmH2HBOUwey-00033-00009166-00009366 consisted of the majority of Delaware TmH2HBOUwey-00034-00009367-00009582 County except for the city of Chester TmH2HBOUwey-00035-00009583-00009738 and some of the eastern boroughs a TmH2HBOUwey-00036-00009739-00009942 portion of Chester County east of West TmH2HBOUwey-00037-00009943-00010143 Chester in the affluent mainline area TmH2HBOUwey-00038-00010144-00010326 and a portion of southern Montgomery TmH2HBOUwey-00039-00010327-00010559 County centered on Upper Merion Township TmH2HBOUwey-00040-00010560-00010962 the 2013 to 2018 version of the district TmH2HBOUwey-00041-00010963-00011187 contains most of Delaware County outside TmH2HBOUwey-00042-00011188-00011360 of the city of Chester and the heavily TmH2HBOUwey-00043-00011361-00011565 african-american townships and boroughs TmH2HBOUwey-00044-00011566-00011760 in the eastern portion of the county TmH2HBOUwey-00045-00011761-00012015 it also contains parts of central TmH2HBOUwey-00046-00012016-00012234 Montgomery County southern portions of TmH2HBOUwey-00047-00012235-00012417 Berks County southern and central TmH2HBOUwey-00048-00012418-00012627 portions of Chester County and a small TmH2HBOUwey-00049-00012628-00012906 portion of eastern Lancaster County the TmH2HBOUwey-00050-00012907-00013172 district as it stood in October 2016 was TmH2HBOUwey-00051-00013173-00013374 named on NPR's on the media as an TmH2HBOUwey-00052-00013375-00013647 egregious example of gerrymandering the TmH2HBOUwey-00053-00013647-00013830 shape of the district was described as TmH2HBOUwey-00054-00013831-00014144 goofy kicking Donald Duck the only point TmH2HBOUwey-00055-00014145-00014361 that is essentially contiguous there is TmH2HBOUwey-00056-00014362-00014769 Goofy's foot in Donald Duck's rear end TmH2HBOUwey-00057-00014770-00015016 however these district lines are the TmH2HBOUwey-00058-00015016-00015244 building blocks of democracy and when TmH2HBOUwey-00059-00015244-00015433 they get as perverted and twisted as TmH2HBOUwey-00060-00015434-00015675 this it leads to deeply undemocratic TmH2HBOUwey-00061-00015676-00016017 outcomes the Washington Post listed it TmH2HBOUwey-00062-00016018-00016194 as one of the ten most gerrymandered TmH2HBOUwey-00063-00016195-00016392 districts in the country on February TmH2HBOUwey-00064-00016393-00016639 19th 2018 the Supreme Court of TmH2HBOUwey-00065-00016640-00016780 Pennsylvania released a new TmH2HBOUwey-00066-00016781-00016980 congressional map after lawmakers had TmH2HBOUwey-00067-00016981-00017130 failed to agree on a map that would TmH2HBOUwey-00068-00017131-00017344 reduce gerrymandering the map TmH2HBOUwey-00069-00017345-00017998 substantially redrew the district TmH2HBOUwey-00070-00017999-00018537 topic demographics TmH2HBOUwey-00071-00018538-00018768 the district encompasses an area of TmH2HBOUwey-00072-00018769-00018975 diverse wealth ranging from blue-collar TmH2HBOUwey-00073-00018976-00019164 and working-class households in the TmH2HBOUwey-00074-00019165-00019386 southeastern portions of Delaware County TmH2HBOUwey-00075-00019387-00019626 mostly around in the oil refinery areas TmH2HBOUwey-00076-00019627-00019800 of Marcus hook and Trainor to the TmH2HBOUwey-00077-00019801-00019968 southern and western portions of the TmH2HBOUwey-00078-00019969-00020154 affluent mainline area of Chester TmH2HBOUwey-00079-00020155-00020439 Delaware and Montgomery counties the TmH2HBOUwey-00080-00020440-00020613 district is the home of several major TmH2HBOUwey-00081-00020614-00020799 colleges and universities including TmH2HBOUwey-00082-00020800-00021008 Haverford College Villanova University TmH2HBOUwey-00083-00021009-00021312 Penn State Brandywine Delaware County TmH2HBOUwey-00084-00021313-00021543 Community College Eastern University and TmH2HBOUwey-00085-00021544-00021708 Cheney University the first TmH2HBOUwey-00086-00021709-00021912 traditionally black college in the u.s. TmH2HBOUwey-00087-00021913-00022065 the district is also the home of TmH2HBOUwey-00088-00022066-00022287 Boeing's helicopter facility in Ridley TmH2HBOUwey-00089-00022288-00022596 Park Chester the only city in Delaware TmH2HBOUwey-00090-00022597-00022836 County is split between the 7th district TmH2HBOUwey-00091-00022837-00023025 and 1st congressional district but is TmH2HBOUwey-00092-00023026-00023672 mostly in the first district TmH2HBOUwey-00093-00023673-00023975 topic list of members representing the TmH2HBOUwey-00094-00023976-00024361 district TmH2HBOUwey-00095-00024362-00024702 you TmH2HBOUwey-00096-00024703-00025516 topic 1791 to 1793 one seat TmH2HBOUwey-00097-00025517-00025825 district created in 1791 from the TmH2HBOUwey-00098-00025826-00026131 at-large district district redistricted TmH2HBOUwey-00099-00026132-00026767 in 1793 to the at-large district TmH2HBOUwey-00100-00026768-00027562 topic 1795 to 1823 one seat TmH2HBOUwey-00101-00027563-00027877 district created in 1795 from the TmH2HBOUwey-00102-00027878-00028356 at-large district TmH2HBOUwey-00103-00028357-00029139 topic 1823 to 1833 two seats TmH2HBOUwey-00104-00029140-00029490 you TmH2HBOUwey-00105-00029491-00030162 topic 1833 present one seat TmH2HBOUwey-00106-00030163-00030529 you TmH2HBOUwey-00107-00030530-00031073 topic C also TmH2HBOUwey-00108-00031074-00031289 list of United States congressional TmH2HBOUwey-00109-00031289-00031604 districts Pennsylvania's congressional TmH2HBOUwey-00110-00031605-00031852 districts TnuVq827c2u-00000-00000035-00000353 Bharati Braille bark tea or bharatiya TnuVq827c2u-00001-00000354-00000572 Braille hindi bharathi Brella Bharati TnuVq827c2u-00002-00000573-00001000 Braille IPA bia IBL Indian Braille is a TnuVq827c2u-00003-00001001-00001211 largely unified Braille script for TnuVq827c2u-00004-00001212-00001448 writing the languages of India when TnuVq827c2u-00005-00001449-00001664 India gained independence eleven Braille TnuVq827c2u-00006-00001664-00001876 scripts were in use in different parts TnuVq827c2u-00007-00001877-00001988 of the country and four different TnuVq827c2u-00008-00001989-00002342 languages by 1951 a single national TnuVq827c2u-00009-00002343-00002551 standard had been settled on Bharati TnuVq827c2u-00010-00002552-00002758 Braille which has since been adopted by TnuVq827c2u-00011-00002759-00003091 Sri Lanka Nepal and Bangladesh there are TnuVq827c2u-00012-00003092-00003278 slight differences in the orthographies TnuVq827c2u-00013-00003279-00003515 for nepali in India and Nepal and for TnuVq827c2u-00014-00003515-00003794 Tamil in india and sri lanka there are TnuVq827c2u-00015-00003795-00003977 significant differences in bengali TnuVq827c2u-00016-00003978-00004133 braille between india and bangladesh TnuVq827c2u-00017-00004134-00004460 with several letters differing pakistan TnuVq827c2u-00018-00004461-00004681 has not adopted Bharati braille so the TnuVq827c2u-00019-00004682-00004895 urdu braille of pakistan is an entirely TnuVq827c2u-00020-00004896-00005084 different alphabet than the urdu braille TnuVq827c2u-00021-00005085-00005252 of india with their commonalities TnuVq827c2u-00022-00005253-00005443 largely due to their common inheritance TnuVq827c2u-00023-00005444-00005661 from english or international braille TnuVq827c2u-00024-00005662-00005918 Sinhalese Braille largely conforms to TnuVq827c2u-00025-00005919-00006079 other Bharati but differs significantly TnuVq827c2u-00026-00006080-00006304 toward the end of the alphabet and is TnuVq827c2u-00027-00006305-00006575 covered in its own article Bharati TnuVq827c2u-00028-00006576-00006806 Braille alphabets use a six dot cell TnuVq827c2u-00029-00006806-00007009 with values based largely on English TnuVq827c2u-00030-00007011-00007234 Braille letters are assigned as TnuVq827c2u-00031-00007236-00007420 consistently as possible across the TnuVq827c2u-00032-00007422-00007637 various regional scripts of India as TnuVq827c2u-00033-00007638-00007810 they're transliterated in the Latin TnuVq827c2u-00034-00007811-00008017 script so that for example Hindi Urdu TnuVq827c2u-00035-00008018-00008264 Bengali and English are rendered largely TnuVq827c2u-00036-00008265-00008676 the same in Braille TnuVq827c2u-00037-00008677-00009173 topic system TnuVq827c2u-00038-00009174-00009518 topic although basically alphabetic TnuVq827c2u-00039-00009519-00009737 Bharati Braille retains one aspect of TnuVq827c2u-00040-00009738-00009917 indian abugidas in that the default TnuVq827c2u-00041-00009918-00010114 vowel a is not written unless it occurs TnuVq827c2u-00042-00010115-00010301 at the beginning of a syllable or before TnuVq827c2u-00043-00010302-00010520 a vowel this has been called a TnuVq827c2u-00044-00010521-00010910 linearized alpha syllabary abugida for TnuVq827c2u-00045-00010911-00011120 example and taking Dave and auguri as a TnuVq827c2u-00046-00011121-00011306 representative printed script the TnuVq827c2u-00047-00011307-00011524 Braille letter the consonant K renders TnuVq827c2u-00048-00011525-00011816 print caca and Braille th renders print TnuVq827c2u-00049-00011817-00011870 tada TnuVq827c2u-00050-00011871-00012107 to indicate that a consonant occurs TnuVq827c2u-00051-00012108-00012274 without a following vowel as when TnuVq827c2u-00052-00012275-00012473 followed by another consonant or at the TnuVq827c2u-00053-00012474-00012659 end of a syllable of Rama vowel TnuVq827c2u-00054-00012660-00012952 canceling prefix is used Barama K is TnuVq827c2u-00055-00012953-00013379 kaki and ver AMA th is de th however TnuVq827c2u-00056-00013380-00013565 unlike in print there are no vowel TnuVq827c2u-00057-00013566-00013805 diacritics in Bharati Braille vowels are TnuVq827c2u-00058-00013806-00013963 written as full letters following the TnuVq827c2u-00059-00013965-00014144 continent regardless of their order in TnuVq827c2u-00060-00014144-00014447 print for example in print the vowel I TnuVq827c2u-00061-00014447-00014654 is prefixed to a consonant in a reduced TnuVq827c2u-00062-00014655-00014912 diacritic form kiki but in braille it TnuVq827c2u-00063-00014913-00015104 follows the consonant in its full form TnuVq827c2u-00064-00015105-00015368 ki equivalent to writing chi for ki in TnuVq827c2u-00065-00015369-00015616 print thus print click a click as TnuVq827c2u-00066-00015618-00015953 written in Braille as Barama klik the TnuVq827c2u-00067-00015954-00016141 one-time and mon initial short a is TnuVq827c2u-00068-00016143-00016280 written in Braille as when it is TnuVq827c2u-00069-00016281-00016517 followed by another vowel in this TnuVq827c2u-00070-00016518-00016697 environment via must be written because TnuVq827c2u-00071-00016698-00016906 otherwise the subsequent vowel will be TnuVq827c2u-00072-00016907-00017047 read as following the consonant TnuVq827c2u-00073-00017048-00017347 immediately thus print kaya's rendered TnuVq827c2u-00074-00017348-00017603 in braille as ka i to disambiguate it TnuVq827c2u-00075-00017604-00017930 from for Kiki apart from the K's and TnuVq827c2u-00076-00017931-00018119 Jane Bharati Braille does not handle TnuVq827c2u-00077-00018120-00018413 conjunct consonant clusters written as TnuVq827c2u-00078-00018414-00018590 conjunction print are handled with the TnuVq827c2u-00079-00018591-00018778 Rama in Braille just as they are with TnuVq827c2u-00080-00018779-00018981 computer fonts that lack the conjunct TnuVq827c2u-00081-00018982-00019244 váradi Braille is thus equivalent to TnuVq827c2u-00082-00019245-00019415 grade one English Braille though there TnuVq827c2u-00083-00019416-00019592 are plans to extend all the Bharati TnuVq827c2u-00084-00019593-00020209 alphabets to include conjunct TnuVq827c2u-00085-00020210-00020579 alphabet TnuVq827c2u-00086-00020580-00020897 topic following are the charts of the TnuVq827c2u-00087-00020898-00021062 Braille correspondences of the main TnuVq827c2u-00088-00021063-00021353 Indian scripts irregularities where a TnuVq827c2u-00089-00021354-00021512 letter does not match the romanized TnuVq827c2u-00090-00021513-00022035 heading are placed in parentheses TnuVq827c2u-00091-00022036-00022450 topic kotas TnuVq827c2u-00092-00022451-00022775 topic in Hindi written in Devanagari TnuVq827c2u-00093-00022776-00023019 Holanda is not used with the last letter TnuVq827c2u-00094-00023020-00023494 when a word ends in a consonant TnuVq827c2u-00095-00023495-00024025 topic punctuation TnuVq827c2u-00096-00024026-00024352 topic some of the punctuation marks TnuVq827c2u-00097-00024353-00024483 comma close quote TnuVq827c2u-00098-00024484-00024769 duplicate letters the caps mark is only TnuVq827c2u-00099-00024770-00025060 used when transcribing English TnuVq827c2u-00100-00025061-00025456 the accent transcribes do shada TnuVq827c2u-00101-00025457-00025693 - deed and the colon is also used for TnuVq827c2u-00102-00025694-00025944 her duty Tamar Buddha in Bangladesh and TnuVq827c2u-00103-00025945-00026155 Nepal several additional punctuation TnuVq827c2u-00104-00026156-00026335 marks are noted but they do not agree TnuVq827c2u-00105-00026336-00026581 with each other it is not clear which TnuVq827c2u-00106-00026582-00026857 are used in India see Bengali Braille in TnuVq827c2u-00107-00026858-00027212 Nepali Braille TnuVq827c2u-00108-00027213-00027752 topic pointing in urdu TnuVq827c2u-00109-00027752-00028112 topic the pointing symbol is used for TnuVq827c2u-00110-00028113-00028280 consonant letters that in print are TnuVq827c2u-00111-00028281-00028445 derived by adding a dot to another TnuVq827c2u-00112-00028445-00028736 continent for adieu the base letter in TnuVq827c2u-00113-00028737-00028937 Devanagari is used the pointing of the TnuVq827c2u-00114-00028938-00029156 Arabic Persian script is not reflected TnuVq827c2u-00115-00029157-00029489 for example Gurmukhi got Purdue Dave an TnuVq827c2u-00116-00029489-00029762 augury gaga formed by adding a dot to G TnuVq827c2u-00117-00029763-00029936 in Gurmukhi and Dave an augury is TnuVq827c2u-00118-00029937-00030239 written point G in all three with her do TnuVq827c2u-00119-00030239-00030674 this is only done in India TnuVq827c2u-00120-00030675-00031187 topic other languages TnuVq827c2u-00121-00031188-00031574 topic ethnologue 17 reports Braille TnuVq827c2u-00122-00031575-00031926 usage for mizo Garo and Mady it is not TnuVq827c2u-00123-00031927-00032151 clear if these are obsolete alphabets or TnuVq827c2u-00124-00032152-00032318 if they have been unified with Bharati TnuVq827c2u-00125-00032319-00032670 Braille TnuVq827c2u-00126-00032671-00033174 topic digits TnuVq827c2u-00127-00033175-00033473 topic digits follow international TnuVq827c2u-00128-00033474-00034000 conventions and are marked by TnuVq827c2u-00129-00034001-00034525 topic see also TnuVq827c2u-00130-00034526-00034888 topic Sinhalese Braille several letter TnuVq827c2u-00131-00034889-00035182 values different from India Bengali TnuVq827c2u-00132-00035183-00035407 Braille a few different letter values in TnuVq827c2u-00133-00035408-00035701 Bangladesh Purdue Braille different TnuVq827c2u-00134-00035702-00036013 alphabet in Pakistan daven augury TnuVq827c2u-00135-00036014-00036362 Braille Gujarati Braille TnuVq827c2u-00136-00036363-00036767 Kannada Braille Malayalam Braille oriya TnuVq827c2u-00137-00036768-00037216 Braille Punjabi Braille telugu Braille TnuVq827c2u-00138-00037217-00037644 Tamil Braille TnuVq827c2u-00139-00037645-00038208 topic references TnuVq827c2u-00140-00038209-00038499 topic TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00000-00000046-00000371 it is now time for oral questions I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00001-00000372-00000512 recognize the leader of the official TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00002-00000513-00000974 opposition Thank You speaker for my TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00003-00000975-00001166 first questions for the premier in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00004-00001167-00001324 premiers briefing on the NAFTA TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00005-00001325-00001612 renegotiation yesterday was the updated TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00006-00001613-00001784 on the status of the u.s. steel and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00007-00001785-00001918 aluminum tariffs that are still being TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00008-00001919-00002441 applied to Canadian goods green here for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00009-00002442-00002683 you mr. speaker before I answer the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00010-00002684-00002967 question and leader opposition first I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00011-00002968-00003317 want to congratulate congratulate dr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00012-00003318-00003650 Donna Strickland dr. Donna Strickland TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00013-00003651-00004067 has just been awarded the 2018 Nobel TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00014-00004068-00005042 Peace Prize for Physics mr. speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00015-00005043-00005281 she's the first Canadian woman ever to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00016-00005282-00005522 receive this award and the first woman TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00017-00005523-00005867 in 55 years she teaches at the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00018-00005868-00006104 University of Waterloo and she's from TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00019-00006105-00006428 Guelph Ontario so dr. Donna Strickland TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00020-00006429-00007678 congratulations TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00021-00007679-00007952 through you mr. speaker we want to make TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00022-00007953-00008151 sure the world knows that Ontario is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00023-00008152-00008720 open for business that's why that is why TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00024-00008721-00009051 our government the PC government stood TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00025-00009052-00009320 shoulder to shoulder with the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00026-00009321-00009519 government when it came to negotiations TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00027-00009520-00009749 we're calling on the Trudeau government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00028-00009750-00010010 to use federal funds to compensate TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00029-00010011-00010380 around Ontario dairy farmers we need to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00030-00010381-00010667 support our dairy farmers we need to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00031-00010668-00010919 support our farmers our steel and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00032-00010920-00011202 aluminum workers and make sure they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00033-00011203-00011480 aren't being used as bargaining chips TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00034-00011481-00011766 I'm asking the leader of the Opposition TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00035-00011767-00012060 in her caucus to stand with us as we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00036-00012061-00012258 stood side by side with the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00037-00012259-00012569 government stand with us to support the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00038-00012570-00012827 farmers the steel workers the aluminum TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00039-00012828-00013049 workers to make sure they are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00040-00013050-00014219 compensated by the Trudeau TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00041-00014221-00014518 start the clock supplementary tariffs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00042-00014519-00014716 have been in place since June and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00043-00014716-00014929 they're having a devastating effect not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00044-00014930-00015144 just on the steel industry but on the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00045-00015146-00015361 entire manufacturing sector speaker in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00046-00015362-00015604 the people who rely on that sector for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00047-00015605-00015813 good jobs they're worried about the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00048-00015815-00015865 future TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00049-00015866-00016081 across the border in Quebec the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00050-00016082-00016269 provincial government didn't delay they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00051-00016271-00016489 stepped up in June with direct vent TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00052-00016490-00016750 financial aid to companies affected by TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00053-00016751-00016831 the tariffs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00054-00016832-00017023 when will the premier take similar TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00055-00017024-00017848 action here three mr. speaker our number TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00056-00017849-00018184 one priority was to make sure we got the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00057-00018185-00018433 deal done that was critical and I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00058-00018434-00018628 congratulate the federal government for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00059-00018629-00018940 getting the job done but keep in mind TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00060-00018941-00019303 nearly nine million Americans jobs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00061-00019304-00019564 depend on the Canadian Canadian and US TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00062-00019565-00019882 trade investments but even more TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00063-00019883-00020257 importantly there's 389 billion dollars TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00064-00020258-00020551 of trade going back and forth just TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00065-00020552-00020890 between Ontario and the US but almost TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00066-00020891-00021178 equally there is a billion jobs I've TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00067-00021179-00021372 done a million jobs I wish there was a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00068-00021373-00021607 billion jobs a million jobs at stake TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00069-00021608-00022030 right here in Ontario and again again TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00070-00022031-00022344 I'm asking the leader of the Opposition TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00071-00022345-00022639 in the caucus the whole NDP caucus to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00072-00022640-00022915 stand with us support the farmers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00073-00022916-00023169 support the aluminum and steel workers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00074-00023170-00024219 and we can support them TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00075-00024220-00024460 start the clock final supplementary TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00076-00024461-00024700 speaker people worried about losing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00077-00024701-00024994 their shift or losing a job don't want TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00078-00024995-00025230 to hear politicians passing the buck TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00079-00025231-00025438 when their jobs are at risk and they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00080-00025439-00025740 worried about the future in the province TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00081-00025741-00026046 of Quebec the government stepped up they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00082-00026047-00026299 stepped up with direct financial aid TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00083-00026300-00026593 money for training for steel for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00084-00026594-00026808 aluminium and for the agricultural TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00085-00026810-00027093 sector so my question to our premier in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00086-00027094-00027373 this province is is this premier willing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00087-00027374-00028014 to step up with provincial assistance TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00088-00028014-00028245 through you mr. speaker the leader of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00089-00028247-00028342 the Opposition TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00090-00028343-00028518 we're still waiting for the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00091-00028519-00028780 government to give us some numbers we're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00092-00028781-00028942 going to be meeting with the agriculture TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00093-00028943-00029281 industry this afternoon looking forward TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00094-00029282-00029487 to speaking to them and then later on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00095-00029488-00029698 we're in the week we're gonna be meeting TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00096-00029699-00029970 the steel and aluminium industry I asked TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00097-00029972-00030148 the Prime Minister directly yesterday on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00098-00030149-00030412 the phone where's the money TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00099-00030413-00030625 yeah where's the money we're waiting for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00100-00030626-00030955 to support the ceilin aluminium workers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00101-00030956-00031233 and I didn't get a straight answer I'm TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00102-00031234-00031387 looking forward to that straight answer TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00103-00031388-00031740 but I can assure all the agriculture TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00104-00031741-00031983 industry I can assure the steel TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00105-00031984-00032269 aluminium workers that were standing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00106-00032270-00032554 behind them unlike the NDP that I didn't TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00107-00032555-00032827 see one of them stand up to support any TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00108-00032828-00033094 of those industries I will assure that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00109-00033095-00033406 they will have a close ally and a friend TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00110-00033407-00035101 with a PC government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00111-00035102-00035680 order start the clock next question it's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00112-00035681-00036001 not so but nonetheless speaker the truth TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00113-00036002-00036193 is that in Quebec they had a premiere TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00114-00036194-00036355 that did step up didn't wait around TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00115-00036356-00037147 stepped up and tried to the premiere TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00116-00037148-00037300 those speaker because we are joined TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00117-00037301-00037648 today by farmers here in our legislature TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00118-00037649-00037849 and for those farmers who have relied on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00119-00037850-00038029 supply management to ensure they can TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00120-00038030-00038248 earn a living and pay the bills while TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00121-00038249-00038422 they do the hard work of feeding our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00122-00038423-00038683 families the renegotiated NAFTA is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00123-00038684-00038974 devastating news what details does the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00124-00038975-00039130 premier have about the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00125-00039131-00039685 compensation that will be offered to you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00126-00039686-00039928 mr. speaker again if the leader of the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00127-00039929-00040132 Opposition actually stood shoulder to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00128-00040133-00040375 shoulder with the PC government as we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00129-00040376-00040639 did with the Liberal government we might TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00130-00040640-00041060 be able to work a lot better we we need TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00131-00041061-00041308 to stand as a United team here in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00132-00041309-00041377 Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00133-00041378-00041987 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00134-00041988-00042349 we need to protect the jobs go close to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00135-00042350-00042556 the million jobs that all these TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00136-00042557-00042867 industries create day in and day out TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00137-00042868-00043321 again I'm asking the NDP to put their TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00138-00043322-00043696 partisanship to the side just once just TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00139-00043697-00044092 once instead with us and as for the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00140-00044093-00044337 Premier of Quebec I spoke to the new TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00141-00044338-00044646 premier come back last night what a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00142-00044647-00045046 great what a great job he's gonna do and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00143-00045047-00045178 he's looking forward to working with TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00144-00045179-00045382 Ontario because he's fiscally TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00145-00045383-00045475 responsible TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00146-00045476-00046442 just like the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00147-00046443-00046660 and start the clock again supplementary TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00148-00046661-00046919 well speaker the fact is that many farm TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00149-00046920-00047087 families believe that the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00150-00047088-00047273 compensation won't be enough and they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00151-00047274-00047561 asking serious questions speaker serious TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00152-00047562-00047832 questions about whether they can keep TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00153-00047833-00048057 going as the system that made their farm TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00154-00048058-00048311 sustainable is chipped away is the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00155-00048312-00048461 premier prepared to provide additional TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00156-00048462-00048683 assistance and programs from the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00157-00048684-00048854 province to ensure that farms are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00158-00048855-00049610 sustainable in the long term for you mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00159-00049611-00049874 speaker the leader of the Opposition TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00160-00049875-00050225 right it never ends fear mongering the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00161-00050226-00050360 leader of the Opposition doesn't have a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00162-00050361-00050660 clue what it is because she doesn't know TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00163-00050661-00050861 I don't know because it wasn't told to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00164-00050862-00051062 us yesterday when we were on the call TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00165-00051063-00051413 matter of fact no province knows what TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00166-00051414-00051568 they have in hand but I can reassure TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00167-00051569-00051944 again the farmers you have an ally you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00168-00051945-00052179 have a friend we look forward to sitting TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00169-00052179-00052430 down with you this afternoon but once we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00170-00052431-00052674 do find out that number I can assure you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00171-00052675-00052862 we're gonna support them like they've TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00172-00052863-00053865 never seen before TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00173-00053866-00054049 start the clock again final TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00174-00054050-00054282 supplementary sure they're a little bit TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00175-00054283-00054463 concerned speakers seeing how I'm seeing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00176-00054464-00054640 as how the government didn't step up to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00177-00054641-00054922 help the steel and aluminum industries TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00178-00054923-00055069 but farm families are wondering TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00179-00055070-00055222 wondering whether they should actually TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00180-00055223-00055450 continue in farming or pack it in people TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00181-00055451-00055612 are looking for solutions not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00182-00055613-00055788 politicians passing the buck back and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00183-00055789-00056071 forth across the table this is a chance TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00184-00056072-00056379 for the premier to show leadership in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00185-00056380-00056638 the job that he actually holds not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00186-00056639-00056782 waiting for the federal government but TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00187-00056783-00056986 show some leadership in the job that he TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00188-00056987-00057226 holds in other provinces for energy TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00189-00057227-00057436 leaders have stepped up to the plate TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00190-00057437-00057729 will we see that leadership from this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00191-00057730-00058574 premier premier TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00192-00058575-00058926 yeah through you mr. speaker I find it's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00193-00058927-00059094 so ironic listening the leader to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00194-00059095-00059359 opposition when I was in Hamilton over TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00195-00059360-00059643 at the fosco right down the street where TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00196-00059644-00059913 the leader lives I heard how we helped TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00197-00059914-00060079 them we got rid of the cap-and-trade in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00198-00060079-00060165 the carbon TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00199-00060166-00061202 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00200-00061203-00061463 they sense a leader I spoke to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00201-00061464-00061739 frontline workers and they loved it that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00202-00061740-00061823 I showed up TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00203-00061824-00062039 maybe that leader in the opposition to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00204-00062040-00062240 pay him a visit once in a while in her TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00205-00062241-00062358 own backyard TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00206-00062359-00063630 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00207-00063632-00063780 once again I'm gonna remind the house TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00208-00063782-00064054 that personal attacks of any sort do not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00209-00064054-00064477 elevate the debate next question leader TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00210-00064478-00064657 the opposition start the clock next TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00211-00064658-00064924 question is also for the premier the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00212-00064925-00065170 opioid crisis is killing people on a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00213-00065171-00065398 daily basis families with loved ones TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00214-00065399-00065644 caught in addiction know that overdose TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00215-00065645-00065977 prevention sites save lives the Minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00216-00065978-00066166 of Health had promised that the premier TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00217-00066167-00066373 would make a decision about proceeding TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00218-00066374-00066559 with overdose prevention sites by the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00219-00066560-00066826 end of last week instead we see more TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00220-00066827-00067072 delay and more excuses and tragically TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00221-00067073-00067396 more preventable deaths when will this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00222-00067397-00067558 premiere stop dithering and make a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00223-00067559-00068368 decision Speaker I appreciate the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00224-00068369-00068593 question from the member opposite but TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00225-00068594-00068752 let me be perfectly clear the Minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00226-00068753-00068974 of Health has received an extension on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00227-00068975-00069189 three pause sites they received that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00228-00069190-00069415 extension from the federal government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00229-00069416-00069598 but this government and I want to be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00230-00069599-00069817 very clear we are committed to getting TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00231-00069818-00069988 people struggling with addiction the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00232-00069989-00070153 help that they need that's why this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00233-00070154-00070288 government will be making an TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00234-00070289-00071131 unprecedented three point eight billion TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00235-00071132-00071414 and anybody that followed this is party TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00236-00071415-00071588 in the last several years knows that we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00237-00071589-00071810 have been a leader in the fight against TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00238-00071811-00072008 opioids in this province calling for a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00239-00072009-00072140 task force that the previous government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00240-00072141-00072323 took nine months if you want to talk TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00241-00072324-00072497 about delay it was the previous liberal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00242-00072498-00072668 administration that didn't get the job TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00243-00072669-00072722 done TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00244-00072723-00072920 we were leaders on Vanden the pill press TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00245-00072921-00073022 and that's something that we've talked TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00246-00073023-00073199 about we've talked about NICs law making TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00247-00073200-00073406 sure that there's more awareness and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00248-00073407-00073646 greater advertising against the opioid TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00249-00073647-00073877 crisis so I'll stand here on behalf of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00250-00073878-00074027 the Minister of Health and tell them TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00251-00074028-00075189 that we're ready and committed to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00252-00075190-00075537 start the clock next question or rather TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00253-00075538-00075790 Thank You speaker what the minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00254-00075791-00076099 failed to talk about is the 330 million TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00255-00076100-00076273 dollar cut in mental health and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00256-00076274-00077077 addictions finances look every single TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00257-00077078-00077326 day that this this decision is delayed TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00258-00077327-00077581 it means more people are dying and when TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00259-00077582-00077845 people are no longer alive TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00260-00077846-00078106 they cannot seek treatment speaker the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00261-00078107-00078466 evidence is overwhelming these sites are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00262-00078467-00078817 saving lives what evidence is the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00263-00078818-00079906 premier waiting for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00264-00079907-00080266 sir I entirely reject the premise of the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00265-00080267-00080418 leader the official opposition's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00266-00080419-00080662 question this government is going to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00267-00080663-00080850 bring in an unprecedented level of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00268-00080851-00081063 funding for mental health addictions and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00269-00081064-00081399 supportive housing to the tune of 3.8 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00270-00081400-00082798 billion both myself and the Minister of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00271-00082799-00083013 Health have been consistently meeting TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00272-00083014-00083244 and touring across the province to those TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00273-00083245-00083467 who are affected but I say again Speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00274-00083468-00083659 we have hit the pause button on three TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00275-00083660-00083848 injection sites the federal government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00276-00083849-00084061 hasn't allowed that extension and we are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00277-00084062-00084262 committed on this side of the house and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00278-00084263-00084468 by the way on that side of the house and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00279-00084469-00084661 ensuring that we have the proper course TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00280-00084662-00084835 for those people who are struggling with TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00281-00084836-00084973 mental health and addictions including TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00282-00084974-00086276 in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00283-00086277-00086444 next question the member for Hastings TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00284-00086445-00086987 Lennox and Addington my question today TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00285-00086988-00087194 is for the minister of economic develop TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00286-00087195-00087524 a job creation and trade yesterday the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00287-00087525-00087767 United States Canada Mexico agreed to a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00288-00087768-00088092 new trade agreement called the u.s. MCA TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00289-00088093-00088335 the new agreement included major major TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00290-00088336-00088521 concessions from Canada's agricultural TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00291-00088522-00088799 industry on class seven milk increased TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00292-00088800-00089049 access to Ontario's dairy chicken and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00293-00089050-00089300 egg market one thing is clear mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00294-00089301-00089366 speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00295-00089367-00089580 Ontario dairy chicken and egg farmers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00296-00089581-00089721 are the ones that are on the hook for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00297-00089722-00089898 this federal government negotiation TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00298-00089899-00090129 position so then the Minister please TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00299-00090130-00090378 inform this legislature today of what TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00300-00090379-00090567 our government for the people is doing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00301-00090568-00090761 to stand up for this very very critical TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00302-00090762-00091079 part of materials agricultural industry TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00303-00091080-00091454 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00304-00091455-00091856 for the for the question for months now TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00305-00091857-00092103 Ontario has been working with federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00306-00092104-00092363 government going down to Washington and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00307-00092364-00092580 standing up for Ontario workers Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00308-00092581-00092837 farmers steel workers aluminum workers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00309-00092838-00093062 and we were disappointed yesterday that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00310-00093063-00093167 the federal government everyone's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00311-00093168-00093291 knowing that dairies been on the table TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00312-00093292-00093530 for a while didn't have any details of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00313-00093531-00093786 compensation package ready it's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00314-00093787-00093956 unacceptable was one of my colleagues TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00315-00093957-00094209 just said it was shocking and it's also TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00316-00094210-00094376 shocking that they left the steel and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00317-00094377-00094548 aluminum tariffs on the table mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00318-00094549-00094775 speaker because while there might have a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00319-00094776-00095063 new NAFTA here the u.s. still has the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00320-00095064-00095255 ability to put tariffs on anything they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00321-00095256-00095480 want in the future therefore making the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00322-00095481-00095799 new NAFTA practically useless so it's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00323-00095800-00095942 stealing loom today it could be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00324-00095943-00096119 something else in the future depending TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00325-00096120-00096279 on what the flavor of the month is down TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00326-00096280-00096510 there so we call upon the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00327-00096511-00096729 government to come forward immediately TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00328-00096730-00096911 with the details in the conversation to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00329-00096912-00097106 our dairy industry we need to make dairy TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00330-00097107-00097349 poultry and eggs whole again we need to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00331-00097350-00097637 save the 3600 family farms that are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00332-00097638-00097832 active in the dairy industry in Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00333-00097833-00097949 and that's what we're gonna do mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00334-00097950-00098063 speaker we're going to stand up for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00335-00098064-00099088 Ontario fire TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00336-00099089-00099557 supplementary start the clock thank you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00337-00099558-00099747 so time to be your response in your TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00338-00099748-00100065 affirmative action on this file it's a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00339-00100066-00100215 relief to hear that really our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00340-00100216-00100376 government continues to do its part to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00341-00100377-00100509 defend this important part of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00342-00100510-00100730 agricultural community and the many many TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00343-00100731-00100947 families that depend on this this just TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00344-00100948-00101124 not an industry this is a group of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00345-00101125-00101375 families across this province and we're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00346-00101376-00101537 aware of course as well as the minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00347-00101538-00101742 testified at the US Department of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00348-00101743-00101997 Commerce public hearings on section 32 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00349-00101998-00102198 which the investigations of imports on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00350-00102199-00102404 autos and auto parts and despite TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00351-00102405-00102573 reaching an agreement in principle the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00352-00102574-00102836 other day discussions around steel and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00353-00102838-00103040 aluminum have been inconclusive we have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00354-00103041-00103511 heard that 25% tariffs on steel and 10% TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00355-00103513-00103754 tariffs on aluminum still remain in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00356-00103755-00103964 place so to the Minister please inform TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00357-00103965-00104192 this legislature of our government's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00358-00104193-00104408 position on these tariffs that continue TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00359-00104409-00104591 to internationally penalize Ontario's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00360-00104592-00105198 industry my colleagues an excellent TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00361-00105199-00105527 question as I said in the first part of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00362-00105528-00105777 my answer while the threat of tariffs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00363-00105778-00106083 remains after you can you can drive a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00364-00106083-00106407 Mack truck through it you know they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00365-00106408-00106685 solved for a time being the threat of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00366-00106686-00106947 auto tariffs and auto parts tariffs and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00367-00106948-00107133 then they say to us on the phone the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00368-00107133-00107463 premier yesterday that 232 section 332 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00369-00107464-00107652 tariffs on aluminum steel and God knows TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00370-00107653-00107864 what else in the future are separate TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00371-00107865-00107984 issues well they're not separate issues TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00372-00107985-00108171 the technical briefing that at 1 o'clock TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00373-00108172-00108381 said they had tried to discuss that at TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00374-00108382-00108576 the table but were rejected the u.s. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00375-00108577-00108758 didn't want to they want to keep hanging TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00376-00108759-00108924 this over our heads well if they keep TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00377-00108925-00109122 hanging this over our heads thousands TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00378-00109123-00109265 and thousands of people on this side of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00379-00109266-00109403 the border will be affected their jobs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00380-00109404-00109577 could be affected and millions on the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00381-00109578-00109731 other side of the border and so we're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00382-00109732-00109979 asking the NDP today to stand with us to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00383-00109980-00110252 stop putting down the police and stand TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00384-00110253-00111592 up for workers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00385-00111593-00111928 once again once again I'll remind TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00386-00111929-00112150 members that these kinds of personal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00387-00112151-00112420 attacks lead to degenerative TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00388-00112421-00112597 degeneration of the debate we don't want TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00389-00112598-00112786 to go there like we did last week TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00390-00112788-00113906 [Music] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00391-00113907-00114943 house will come to order order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00392-00114944-00115686 order start the clock next question TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00393-00115688-00115930 number four - Miska Ming Cochran Thank TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00394-00115931-00116056 You speaker my question is to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00395-00116057-00116200 Minister of Agriculture and Rural TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00396-00116201-00116470 Affairs all farmers are impacted by TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00397-00116471-00116827 trade deals then do NAFTA agreement will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00398-00116828-00117016 have a major impact on dairy and poultry TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00399-00117017-00117253 sectors and everywhere else involved in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00400-00117254-00117397 the industry including the processors TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00401-00117398-00117718 and Agricole it was signed by the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00402-00117719-00117946 federal government but agriculture is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00403-00117947-00118086 one of the sectors it has federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00404-00118088-00118372 provincial responsibilities under the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00405-00118373-00118672 deal for dairy class seven of milk was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00406-00118673-00118954 eliminated the classes are regulated TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00407-00118955-00119182 provincially under the milk Act that's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00408-00119183-00119431 not a federal issue and the elimination TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00409-00119432-00119691 of class seven could have a much bigger TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00410-00119692-00119995 destabilizing impact than the loss of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00411-00119996-00120133 market access which should be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00412-00120133-00120523 compensated but the destabilization will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00413-00120524-00120982 have could permanently damage supply TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00414-00120983-00121177 management what is the provincial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00415-00121178-00121513 government going to do to stabilize the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00416-00121514-00121723 industry because of the elimination of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00417-00121724-00121921 class seven which is a provincial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00418-00121922-00122575 responsibility well thank you very much TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00419-00122576-00122746 mr. speaker and I thank the member for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00420-00122747-00122929 the question I know many Ontarians TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00421-00122930-00123111 including our agriculture communities TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00422-00123113-00123382 are concerned about what the new us MCA TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00423-00123383-00123697 deal could mean for industries that rely TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00424-00123698-00124008 on trade we're still reviewing what the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00425-00124009-00124171 impact of these changes will be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00426-00124172-00124363 including the class southern however TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00427-00124364-00124552 it's clear that the concessions made in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00428-00124553-00124761 the new agreement will hurt our supply TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00429-00124763-00125203 manies sector particularly the dairy we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00430-00125204-00125383 have reached out to our stakeholders and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00431-00125383-00125542 are committed to continue work with them TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00432-00125543-00125716 as we determine the details of the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00433-00125717-00126016 impact of this new deal we're calling on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00434-00126017-00126229 the Trudeau government to use federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00435-00126230-00126478 funds to compensate dairy farmers this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00436-00126479-00126822 new deal cannot leave our farmers behind TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00437-00126823-00127099 farming jobs and farming families must TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00438-00127100-00127429 never be used as bargaining chips from TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00439-00127430-00127657 day one we have offered full support for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00440-00127658-00127891 our farmers our Premier and our Minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00441-00127892-00127942 of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00442-00127943-00128122 development job creation and trade TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00443-00128123-00128347 traveled to Washington to raise the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00444-00128348-00128614 concerns and make sure our farmers are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00445-00128615-00128914 top of mind we will continue to stand TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00446-00128915-00129552 but thank you thank you supplementary TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00447-00129553-00129928 the long term stability of our dairy TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00448-00129929-00130207 farm families relies on the stability of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00449-00130208-00130456 our milk classification process the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00450-00130457-00130738 elimination of Class seven destabilizes TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00451-00130739-00130963 that process the clock the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00452-00130964-00131242 classification system is a provincial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00453-00131243-00131455 responsibility this isn't about federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00454-00131456-00131689 compensation which is a totally separate TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00455-00131690-00131887 issue this is about the provincial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00456-00131888-00132130 responsibility to maintain the stability TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00457-00132131-00132427 of the system on which farmers and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00458-00132428-00132712 ontario consumers and Canadian consumers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00459-00132713-00133093 have relied on for over 50 years again TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00460-00133094-00133339 to the minister what action is the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00461-00133340-00133588 government going to take to stabilize TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00462-00133589-00133858 the milk classes so Supply Management TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00463-00133859-00134888 can continue to exist TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00464-00134889-00135165 Minister well thank you I thank you very TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00465-00135166-00135351 much mr. speaker and again thank the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00466-00135352-00135585 member for the question in it as I said TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00467-00135586-00135801 we are continuing to review the impact TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00468-00135802-00136116 of this new deal in its entirety and its TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00469-00136117-00136365 impact on our dairy industry that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00470-00136366-00136731 includes class 7 the the issues in that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00471-00136732-00137061 deal are negotiated by the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00472-00137062-00137262 government and the responsibility to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00473-00137263-00137580 look after that is the responsibility of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00474-00137581-00137793 the federal government and so that's why TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00475-00137794-00138012 we need to make sure we reviewed the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00476-00138013-00138279 process and then make sure the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00477-00138280-00138480 government deals with the financial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00478-00138481-00138768 assistance to our farmers in a way that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00479-00138769-00139083 deals with all the impacts they have to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00480-00139084-00139938 this negotiation Thank You mr. speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00481-00139939-00140198 my question is for the Attorney General TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00482-00140199-00140463 yesterday an article in the Toronto Sun TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00483-00140464-00140717 reported that over the last five years TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00484-00140718-00141015 gun violence and murders have spiked TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00485-00141016-00141330 across the Greater Toronto Area the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00486-00141331-00141570 article stated that shootings are up TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00487-00141571-00141945 more than 130 percent from just a few TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00488-00141946-00142149 years ago and with three months TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00489-00142150-00142482 remaining in 2018 the city is expected TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00490-00142483-00142842 to smash as all-time record high of 89 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00491-00142843-00143331 homicides set back in 1991 the article TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00492-00143332-00143727 also found that not since 2007 has TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00493-00143728-00144024 Toronto seen so many killings in a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00494-00144025-00144387 single year mr. speaker the people of my TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00495-00144388-00144656 writing and all throughout the GTA are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00496-00144657-00144894 understandably concerned about the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00497-00144895-00145200 levels of violence experienced in our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00498-00145201-00145416 city this year question could the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00499-00145417-00145623 Minister please share with us the work TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00500-00145624-00145872 this government is currently doing to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00501-00145873-00146616 stop gun violence in Toronto TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00502-00146617-00146786 speaker I'd like to thank the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00503-00146787-00147224 Mississauga smell for that no one should TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00504-00147225-00147425 have to live in fear of gun violence and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00505-00147426-00147635 our hearts go out to the many people TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00506-00147636-00147851 across the city and this province who TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00507-00147852-00148054 have been affected by violent gun crime TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00508-00148055-00148286 which is why in August our government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00509-00148287-00148439 announced that it is taking action to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00510-00148440-00148739 protect families by investing 25 million TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00511-00148740-00148943 dollars in new funding over four years TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00512-00148944-00149150 in initiatives aimed at fighting gang TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00513-00149151-00149399 and gun violence this includes investing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00514-00149400-00149588 over seven million dollars over the next TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00515-00149589-00149828 four years in a brand new intensive TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00516-00149829-00150050 firearm bail support team which will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00517-00150051-00150290 support existing justice resources the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00518-00150291-00150449 team will consist of five crowns and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00519-00150450-00150635 five case management coordinators who TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00520-00150636-00150800 will work with police to develop local TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00521-00150801-00151061 expertise and compile information to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00522-00151062-00151238 ensure that the strongest possible TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00523-00151239-00151400 evidence is placed before the courts TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00524-00151401-00151625 when the crown is seeking detention for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00525-00151626-00151910 serious firearm charges having generated TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00526-00151911-00152138 crowns to focus on firearm bales will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00527-00152139-00152318 help people keep people who present a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00528-00152319-00152543 danger to the public off our streets mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00529-00152544-00152714 speaker I'm happy to report that as of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00530-00152715-00153519 yesterday the team is up and running TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00531-00153520-00153774 mr. speaker I'd like to thank the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00532-00153775-00153978 Attorney General for that update TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00533-00153979-00154203 I agree that it's important that people TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00534-00154204-00154539 feel safe in their communities and I'm TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00535-00154540-00154761 glad that our government is taking TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00536-00154762-00155127 action to ensure that is the case there TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00537-00155128-00155424 have been too many tragic headlines over TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00538-00155425-00155727 the past year and I look forward to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00539-00155728-00155985 success of this initiative as well as TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00540-00155986-00156271 all efforts aimed at curbing gun TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00541-00156272-00156552 violence mr. speaker the Attorney TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00542-00156553-00156837 Journal has given us good news with the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00543-00156838-00157083 announcement that our legal SWAT teams TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00544-00157084-00157434 are now in place and I'm hoping that she TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00545-00157435-00157701 can provide further information on how TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00546-00157702-00157921 they will assist in keeping violence off TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00547-00157922-00158784 our streets thank you I'm very happy to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00548-00158785-00158932 provide further information to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00549-00158933-00159162 member and to his constituents on August TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00550-00159163-00159327 4th I stood with the premier and the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00551-00159328-00159469 Minister of Community Safety and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00552-00159470-00159612 Correctional Services to announce this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00553-00159613-00159822 initiative and yesterday I met with the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00554-00159823-00159954 team and I can tell you that they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00555-00159955-00160156 enthusiastic about getting to work and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00556-00160157-00160308 putting a dent in gun violence TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00557-00160309-00160570 experienced in this city this year it TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00558-00160571-00160773 was our aim to have this team up and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00559-00160774-00161013 running in six to eight weeks and mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00560-00161014-00161194 speaker yesterday was their first day on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00561-00161195-00161356 the job they're stationed at courthouses TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00562-00161357-00161596 across the city and moving where they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00563-00161597-00161796 need to go on a daily basis they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00564-00161797-00161991 working with the police to ensure that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00565-00161992-00162237 the best possible evidence is before the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00566-00162238-00162469 courts during a bail hearing it's an TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00567-00162470-00162651 innovative approach that will deliver TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00568-00162652-00162924 real results to tackle gun crimes in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00569-00162925-00163379 city TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00570-00163380-00163571 next question remember for Toronto TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00571-00163572-00163748 Danforth Thank You speaker my question TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00572-00163749-00163936 to the Minister of the Environment TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00573-00163937-00164249 Ontario is facing potential for many TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00574-00164250-00164435 billions of dollars of damages and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00575-00164436-00164633 potential loss of life from climate TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00576-00164634-00164844 change-related extreme weather events in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00577-00164845-00164960 the years to come TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00578-00164961-00165245 cap and trade funds were raised to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00579-00165246-00165575 reduce emissions from greenhouse sources TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00580-00165576-00165829 the projects were meant to help corner TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00581-00165830-00166119 Ontarians for the future what when the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00582-00166120-00166352 government wound down cap and trade they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00583-00166353-00166547 cancelled many initiatives that would TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00584-00166548-00166796 have helped reduce emissions including TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00585-00166797-00167039 hundreds of millions of dollars for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00586-00167040-00167273 hospital school and social housing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00587-00167274-00167615 upgrades it was not necessary to cancel TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00588-00167616-00167825 those initiatives so can the government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00589-00167826-00168122 inform the house as to what they will be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00590-00168123-00168371 using the cap and trade funds for if not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00591-00168372-00169010 for reducing emissions mr. speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00592-00169011-00169187 through you the member and thank you for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00593-00169188-00169445 the thank him for the question he's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00594-00169446-00169668 quite right that this this government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00595-00169669-00169850 did make a clear commitment the election TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00596-00169851-00170007 that it would wind down the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00597-00170008-00170189 cap-and-trade program one of the first TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00598-00170190-00170315 actions this government was to do that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00599-00170316-00170573 and as a result we're putting $260 back TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00600-00170574-00171215 in the pockets of a tariff and he raises TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00601-00171216-00171362 the question about cap and trade funds TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00602-00171363-00171554 some of the cap and trade funds that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00603-00171555-00171752 were going to be spent for example were TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00604-00171753-00171911 on an electric truck company that's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00605-00171912-00172119 backed by Warren Buffett and Chinese TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00606-00172120-00172281 billionaires we decided those weren't TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00607-00172282-00172421 good things to spend money on that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00608-00172422-00172613 Ontario taxpayers were subsidized the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00609-00172614-00172850 monies that have been raised have been TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00610-00172851-00173012 raised under a charge that was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00611-00173013-00173177 appropriately for greenhouse gas TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00612-00173178-00173387 reduction the funds that were raised for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00613-00173388-00173528 that will be used either to fight TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00614-00173529-00173684 greenhouse gas reductions or for the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00615-00173685-00173840 wind-down of that fund as I've said TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00616-00173841-00174216 before thank you supplementary TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00617-00174217-00174507 Thank You speaker the minister says the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00618-00174508-00174678 funds meant to be spent to reduce TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00619-00174679-00174897 emissions will be spent for that purpose TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00620-00174898-00175143 that's what he says then why did the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00621-00175144-00175440 government cut funding for schools and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00622-00175441-00175674 hospitals when those projects would have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00623-00175675-00176352 cut emissions mr. speaker I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00624-00176353-00176589 I don't know entirely what funds the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00625-00176590-00176826 members talking about but let's say what TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00626-00176827-00177008 we did which was responsible or TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00627-00177009-00177249 responsible responsible thing to do mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00628-00177250-00177495 speaker when we cancelled the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00629-00177496-00177672 cap-and-trade program because it was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00630-00177673-00177957 ineffective was to cut the funding TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00631-00177958-00178188 remove the dollars that were being spent TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00632-00178189-00178395 that were raised by that order it was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00633-00178396-00178557 the only responsible thing that her from TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00634-00178558-00178710 Waterloo come to order the premier come TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00635-00178711-00179043 to order the only responsible thing that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00636-00179044-00179153 the government could do at the end of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00637-00179154-00179436 that peer Condor committed to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00638-00179437-00179613 orderly wind down of the cap-and-trade TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00639-00179614-00179823 program and this fall we'll talk about a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00640-00179824-00180060 mate in Ontario solution a solution that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00641-00180061-00180183 doesn't take money out of Ontarians TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00642-00180184-00180940 pocket produces greenhouse gas TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00643-00180941-00181175 next question the member for Dawn Dolly TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00644-00181176-00181398 ease well thank you mr. speaker my TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00645-00181399-00181683 question is to the premier bill 148 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00646-00181684-00181850 brought in fair and important changes to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00647-00181851-00182112 the Employment Standards Act for workers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00648-00182113-00182278 in this province TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00649-00182279-00182624 mr. government side come to order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00650-00182625-00182871 Mr Speaker I think it's reasonable that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00651-00182872-00183060 workers be given fair notice or TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00652-00183061-00183350 compensation when their employer cancels TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00653-00183351-00183612 their shift it allows employees to have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00654-00183613-00183795 some stability in their schedule if TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00655-00183796-00183981 they're going to school if they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00656-00183982-00184161 ensuring that they to ensure that they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00657-00184162-00184359 have adequate childcare and if they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00658-00184360-00184613 working a second job the mr. speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00659-00184614-00184841 we've heard from the premier or we've TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00660-00184842-00185015 heard from this government that they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00661-00185016-00185208 considering rolling back these changes TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00662-00185209-00185445 in addition to cancelling of $15 minimum TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00663-00185446-00185736 wage does the premier believe that it's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00664-00185737-00186045 fair that work can be done and work can TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00665-00186046-00186215 be cancelled only hours before a shift TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00666-00186216-00186524 with no compensation and my question to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00667-00186525-00186747 the speaker my question through you mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00668-00186748-00186914 speaker to the premier will he commit TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00669-00186915-00187134 today to not rolling back this important TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00670-00187135-00187643 aspect within the legislation premier TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00671-00187644-00187971 through you mr. speaker when I traveled TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00672-00187972-00188160 across his province and talked to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00673-00188161-00188385 thousands and thousands of people I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00674-00188386-00188673 found out very very quickly the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00675-00188674-00188843 number-one issue TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00676-00188844-00189302 number two was bill 148 that you're part TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00677-00189303-00189527 of destroyed this province and put us in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00678-00189528-00189646 Norfolk TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00679-00189647-00190281 [Music] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00680-00190282-00190494 Thanks TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00681-00190495-00190726 we're going to make sure we tell the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00682-00190727-00191527 world Ontario is open for business we're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00683-00191528-00191674 going to make sure we protect the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00684-00191675-00191959 frontline workers because 60,000 people TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00685-00191960-00192338 lost their jobs under bill 148 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00686-00192339-00192885 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00687-00192886-00193147 supplementary so there's going to be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00688-00193148-00193338 certain aspects that we disagree with TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00689-00193339-00193636 148 certain aspects of the bill but TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00690-00193637-00193894 let's let me try order a guide to the - TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00691-00193895-00194004 mr. speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00692-00194005-00194284 Primera it has a date dinner up with the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00693-00194285-00194461 member government side has to come to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00694-00194462-00194604 order the member has a right to place TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00695-00194605-00194923 his question again I apologize the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00696-00194924-00195148 memory mr. speaker so I'm going to ask a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00697-00195149-00195460 very simple question to the Primera 1.6 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00698-00195461-00195715 million Ontarians do not have sick days TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00699-00195716-00195928 in the legislation it guarantees two TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00700-00195929-00196216 days to on Terrance mr. speaker this is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00701-00196217-00196489 not about this is this is about decency TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00702-00196490-00196738 for employees employees that work hard TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00703-00196739-00196924 to support support businesses here in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00704-00196925-00197143 the province of Ontario and I think when TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00705-00197144-00197395 we when those people go out that 1.6 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00706-00197396-00197560 million Ontarians go out and support TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00707-00197561-00197773 businesses the businesses should support TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00708-00197774-00197916 the people that support those businesses TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00709-00197917-00198220 does the premier believe that two sick TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00710-00198221-00198415 days is too much for people of in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00711-00198416-00198634 Ontario he says he stands up for the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00712-00198635-00198820 little guy he says he stands up for the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00713-00198821-00199045 people of Ontario two sick days his TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00714-00199046-00199554 decency Mr Speaker Boehner TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00715-00199555-00199928 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00716-00199929-00200194 through you mr. speaker into the member TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00717-00200195-00200473 of Don Valley ease again when I Criss TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00718-00200474-00200637 crosses province and I talk to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00719-00200638-00200850 people that earn minimum wage the ones TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00720-00200851-00201121 that even were able to keep their job I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00721-00201122-00201390 go into a little home hard work rather TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00722-00201391-00201658 than at least seven employees they cut TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00723-00201659-00201970 three employees because of the 140s I'm TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00724-00201971-00202234 doing their people the people on minimum TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00725-00202235-00202423 wage we're actually going to give them a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00726-00202424-00202774 tax credit TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00727-00202775-00202991 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00728-00202992-00203183 [Music] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00729-00203184-00204023 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00730-00204024-00204302 we're gonna create more job that we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00731-00204303-00204470 didn't hire more people TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00732-00204471-00204719 unlike the Liberals that destroyed this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00733-00204720-00205430 problem next question the member for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00734-00205431-00205754 Peterborough Court mr. speaker will not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00735-00205755-00205967 remember from Nipissing my question is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00736-00205967-00206230 to the Minister of many things including TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00737-00206231-00206462 children community and social services TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00738-00206463-00206771 more than 34,000 illegal border crossers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00739-00206771-00207069 if it entered our country since 2017 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00740-00207071-00207281 overloading our Housing and social TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00741-00207282-00207629 assistance systems so much so that the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00742-00207630-00207817 federal government is forced to put them TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00743-00207819-00208157 in hotels across the GTA today we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00744-00208158-00208342 learned that there stays being extended TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00745-00208344-00208538 by four weeks while they wait for their TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00746-00208539-00208796 silent claims to be heard meanwhile the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00747-00208796-00209048 Federal Minister responsible has tried TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00748-00209048-00209240 to tell us that the overwhelming TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00749-00209241-00209791 majority have left Canada pure fiction TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00750-00209792-00210044 costs are piling up with the Minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00751-00210044-00210278 please tell us how Ontario will handle TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00752-00210279-00210517 the growing financial burden to services TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00753-00210519-00210721 such as education TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00754-00210721-00212417 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00755-00212417-00212917 order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00756-00212919-00213198 and start the clock responds the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00757-00213198-00213342 minister of children community and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00758-00213342-00213564 social services speaker my my greatest TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00759-00213565-00213708 appreciation to the member opposite who TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00760-00213709-00213852 I've been speaking with on immigration TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00761-00213853-00214125 refugee issues for the past week I want TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00762-00214126-00214323 to be very clear and I hope the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00763-00214323-00214571 liberals are listening that the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00764-00214573-00214866 government has sole jurisdiction over TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00765-00214867-00215262 border management in this country on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00766-00215263-00215573 canada's asylum and refugee programs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00767-00215575-00215766 including who is eligible to make a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00768-00215767-00215985 refugee claim the federal government's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00769-00215986-00216252 failed policies at the border in Quebec TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00770-00216253-00216465 have allowed people to enter this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00771-00216466-00216750 country illegally and then seek asylum TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00772-00216751-00217005 without following the proper processes TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00773-00217006-00217251 this government the board government has TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00774-00217252-00217410 called on the federal government to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00775-00217411-00217619 actively manage the influx of illegal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00776-00217621-00217835 border crossers and to provide full TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00777-00217836-00218163 compensation to the province of Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00778-00218164-00218553 at the tune of 200 million dollars and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00779-00218554-00219073 those concerns TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00780-00219075-00219275 that the federal government has a plan TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00781-00219276-00219448 to deal with this and there has been no TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00782-00219450-00219590 indication that the federal government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00783-00219591-00220121 will pay for it stop lament Creek Thank TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00784-00220121-00220250 You speaker and thank you to Minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00785-00220251-00220444 for a detailed answer I understand the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00786-00220446-00220709 cost Ontario faces the minister has been TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00787-00220710-00221003 perfectly clear in this house some would TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00788-00221004-00221252 say crystal clear with the federal ad TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00789-00221253-00221585 hoc committee on my migration with the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00790-00221586-00221834 Minister of Immigration on the 200 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00791-00221835-00222073 million dollars that's odes ontario mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00792-00222075-00222410 speaker the stack of bills is mounting TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00793-00222411-00222734 the ministry for children community and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00794-00222735-00222902 social services still needs to pay for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00795-00222903-00223144 its priorities programs for autistic TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00796-00223146-00223334 children funding for the Children's Aid TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00797-00223335-00223709 Society youth and care custody and so TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00798-00223710-00223967 much more does the minister believe that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00799-00223967-00224141 the cost for illegal border crossings TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00800-00224142-00224398 are increasing and in light of the state TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00801-00224400-00224579 of the deficit and the results from the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00802-00224580-00224794 line-by-line audit do these escalating TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00803-00224796-00225608 costs concern the Minister sense of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00804-00225609-00225731 costs that we're starting to see as a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00805-00225732-00225898 result of kids going back to school in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00806-00225900-00226082 September but let me be clear the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00807-00226083-00226190 federal government should be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00808-00226191-00226550 compensating Ontario 474 million dollars TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00809-00226551-00226736 and growing in temporary housing in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00810-00226737-00226979 City of Toronto 11 million dollars and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00811-00226980-00227126 growing in the City of Ottawa offer TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00812-00227127-00227315 temporary shelters three million dollars TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00813-00227316-00227504 has been given to the Red Cross 20 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00814-00227505-00227633 million dollars for primary and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00815-00227634-00227896 secondary education specific spaces and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00816-00227898-00228200 19 million dollars and growing on the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00817-00228201-00228421 social assistance rates and my my our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00818-00228423-00228571 government isn't the only ones that are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00819-00228573-00228704 concerned there's a new government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00820-00228705-00228875 elected in Quebec that is in line with TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00821-00228876-00229037 where we're at and telling the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00822-00229038-00229157 government that they have to pay their TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00823-00229158-00229379 bills and we also have all premiers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00824-00229380-00229607 across this great country that have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00825-00229608-00229819 lined up shoulder to shoulder with our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00826-00229821-00230003 premier in saying that the federal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00827-00230004-00230201 government should fully compensate the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00828-00230202-00230392 cost of the province and that's not it TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00829-00230394-00230585 we also have fun TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00830-00230586-00230807 MP that says the only fair thing for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00831-00230808-00230996 everybody to do is process and click TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00832-00230996-00231169 quickly and I think that's where the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00833-00231171-00231329 government's weakness is that's John TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00834-00231330-00232452 McCain TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00835-00232453-00232666 start the clock remember for Davenport TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00836-00232667-00232912 Thank You mr. speaker my question is to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00837-00232913-00233116 the Minister of Education it's now TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00838-00233117-00233296 October and students have been taught TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00839-00233296-00233569 and archaic curriculum for one month now TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00840-00233569-00233821 a curriculum that does not address the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00841-00233821-00234046 current realities that Ontario students TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00842-00234046-00234358 are facing teachers students concerned TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00843-00234359-00234634 parents to name a few have literally TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00844-00234635-00234790 stood on the lawns of Queens Park TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00845-00234791-00235042 speaking out against this sex ed TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00846-00235042-00235273 curriculum roll back but it is painfully TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00847-00235273-00235494 clear that this government has not been TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00848-00235496-00235666 listening to them and then last Friday TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00849-00235667-00235973 the government quietly released a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00850-00235975-00236206 predetermined form online that appears TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00851-00236207-00236377 to be this government's version of the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00852-00236378-00236590 largest consultation in Ontario's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00853-00236591-00236644 history TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00854-00236644-00236871 and then the minister said the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00855-00236873-00237010 government will only be promoting the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00856-00237011-00237283 consultations within their regions so TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00857-00237284-00237439 which is it will we be seeing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00858-00237440-00237625 consultations in every writing in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00859-00237626-00237894 province or will the government only be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00860-00237896-00238123 picking and choosing which voices they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00861-00238123-00238225 feel like hearing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00862-00238226-00238608 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00863-00238609-00238888 speaker and I can tell you we are very TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00864-00238889-00239249 assertively addressing the archaic math TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00865-00239250-00239944 curriculum that's out there from math TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00866-00239944-00240241 was not cutting it and our consultation TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00867-00240242-00240391 is going to be very comprehensive TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00868-00240392-00240681 starting off with hearing from parents TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00869-00240682-00240852 hearing from teachers hearing from TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00870-00240853-00241092 businesses how we can be better equipped TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00871-00241094-00241326 our students to be competitive in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00872-00241327-00241591 today's global economy I can tell you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00873-00241592-00241803 that meant that people attending our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00874-00241804-00242085 guests today in the members gallery will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00875-00242086-00242355 be applauding us for taking a look at TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00876-00242356-00242709 staff science technology engineering and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00877-00242710-00242944 mathematics will unlock everything that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00878-00242944-00243183 the agri-food and the business of food TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00879-00243184-00243453 in particular need to be competitive in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00880-00243454-00243699 today's global economy both are moving TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00881-00243700-00243994 forward and I invite every single member TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00882-00243994-00244260 in this husband to participate and read TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00883-00244261-00245655 your mail you receive information TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00884-00245656-00245880 foreigner TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00885-00245881-00246289 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00886-00246290-00246661 order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00887-00246662-00247773 [Music] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00888-00247775-00248227 order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00889-00248228-00248357 start the clock TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00890-00248358-00248542 supplementary about any information TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00891-00248544-00248771 about this on Friday mr. speaker or TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00892-00248771-00249011 actually the school boards right the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00893-00249012-00249236 public didn't find out anything but mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00894-00249237-00249367 speaker back to the Minister of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00895-00249369-00249551 Education that was an incredible TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00896-00249552-00249769 non-answer I suspect that perhaps she's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00897-00249771-00249989 feeling a little ashamed looking up at TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00898-00249990-00250171 all of these students who are here today TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00899-00250173-00250741 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00900-00250742-00251012 consultations do not mean much unless TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00901-00251013-00251363 those most impacted are invited to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00902-00251364-00251606 table Minister students and teachers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00903-00251607-00251891 must be consulted indigenous youth must TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00904-00251892-00252116 be consulted queer and trans you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00905-00252117-00252356 differently-abled you they must be TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00906-00252357-00252613 consulted and the list goes on it is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00907-00252614-00252887 irresponsible of this government to make TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00908-00252888-00253058 decisions without listening to those who TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00909-00253059-00253283 are going to be the most impacted mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00910-00253284-00253471 speaker why is this government trying to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00911-00253473-00253673 handpick who will be involved in the sex TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00912-00253673-00253886 ed consultations and what are you so TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00913-00253887-00254052 very afraid of hearing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00914-00254053-00254596 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00915-00254596-00254884 mr. speaker and I would suggest to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00916-00254885-00255116 everyone in the House today watching TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00917-00255117-00255476 this is a lesson and not what to do this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00918-00255477-00255869 is a lesson on how not to stand up and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00919-00255869-00256192 be poor opposition we need to have an TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00920-00256194-00256498 opposition that stands with us I invited TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00921-00256500-00256771 the member from Davenport to stand with TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00922-00256773-00257323 us because she was absolutely incorrect TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00923-00257325-00257560 in saying that the members have not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00924-00257561-00257756 received information I can confirm a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00925-00257757-00257996 hundred percent that everybody received TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00926-00257996-00258223 information about this consultation on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00927-00258225-00258662 Friday we're very proud to be working on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00928-00258663-00258960 an initiative that's going to invite TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00929-00258961-00259187 business invite everyone parents TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00930-00259188-00259490 teachers everyone it's boards turf or TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00931-00259491-00259658 Davenport because every single person TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00932-00259659-00259919 who wants ice their voice about stem TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00933-00259919-00260306 ever about job skills about that's my TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00934-00260307-00260830 house thank you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00935-00260831-00261114 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00936-00261115-00261339 next question the member for Flamborough TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00937-00261340-00261831 land broker my question is to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00938-00261832-00262014 Minister of Finance Minister when I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00939-00262015-00262239 listened to your speech on the findings TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00940-00262240-00262440 of the independent financial commission TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00941-00262441-00262746 of inquiry like most Ontarians I was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00942-00262747-00262986 truly shocked to hear the reality of the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00943-00262987-00263268 provinces financial situation clearly TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00944-00263269-00263586 our government needs to take action not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00945-00263587-00263736 only do we need to fix the financial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00946-00263737-00263943 problems that we have inherited from the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00947-00263944-00264195 previous government but we must also TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00948-00264196-00264480 determine how the situation was ever TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00949-00264481-00264777 allowed to get this bad that's why I am TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00950-00264778-00264954 encouraged that the motion to form a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00951-00264955-00265113 select committee on financial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00952-00265114-00265314 transparency was passed this morning TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00953-00265315-00265581 could the minister please reiterate the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00954-00265582-00265746 importance of the Select Committee on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00955-00265747-00266007 financial transparency that is being TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00956-00266008-00266340 formed Minister Annette thank you a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00957-00266341-00266499 speaker thank you to remember from TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00958-00266500-00266739 Flamborough grant Glenbrook this morning TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00959-00266740-00266945 we took the next step in restoring TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00960-00266946-00267180 accountability and Trust in government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00961-00267181-00267438 the formation of the Select Committee on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00962-00267439-00267789 financial transparency solidifies our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00963-00267790-00268035 government's commitment to restoring the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00964-00268036-00268347 public's faith we must remember we are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00965-00268348-00268770 in unprecedented time in history the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00966-00268771-00269088 public's trust has been shattered the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00967-00269089-00269313 previous government's accounting scheme TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00968-00269314-00269661 was deliberately designed to keep the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00969-00269662-00269952 true cost of the Liberals spending off TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00970-00269953-00270275 the books this is simply unacceptable TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00971-00270276-00270608 the Select Committee on financial trends TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00972-00270609-00270969 transparency is a necessity they will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00973-00270970-00271239 find up speaker find out speaker who TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00974-00271240-00271491 came up with this scheme where's the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00975-00271492-00271518 money TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00976-00271519-00271699 supplementary TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00977-00271700-00271966 mr. speaker back to the minister you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00978-00271967-00272179 know I am really encouraged that we are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00979-00272180-00272425 taking action to restore accountability TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00980-00272426-00272659 and Trust and I'm confident that the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00981-00272660-00272770 Select Committee on financial TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00982-00272771-00273094 transparency will discover where these TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00983-00273095-00273348 schemes came from and hold those TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00984-00273349-00273700 responsible to account however over the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00985-00273701-00273862 past week many of our critics have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00986-00273863-00274021 claimed that the Select Committee isn't TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00987-00274022-00274312 necessary the naysayers and critics have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00988-00274313-00274612 shrugged off its importance but there is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00989-00274613-00274882 a larger principle at play here and that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00990-00274883-00275014 is accountability TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00991-00275015-00275269 it's unfortunate some people simply TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00992-00275270-00275509 don't recognize the importance of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00993-00275510-00275773 seeking accountability could the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00994-00275774-00275973 minister please inform the house why TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00995-00275974-00276319 restoring accountability and Trust is so TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00996-00276320-00276538 important for our governments you're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00997-00276539-00276898 here Minister thank you speaker and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00998-00276899-00277069 thank you to the member the importance TnJ2VxtH3DQ-00999-00277070-00277377 of restoring accountability and Trust TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01000-00277378-00277813 cannot be understated remember it was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01001-00277814-00278089 the Auditor General who used words and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01002-00278090-00278397 I'm going to quote her like concealed TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01003-00278398-00278770 bogus deceptive and unreliable she used TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01004-00278771-00278968 those words to describe liberal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01005-00278969-00279256 documents tabled right here in this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01006-00279257-00279553 legislature the Auditor General also TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01007-00279554-00279838 issued this warning to the people of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01008-00279839-00280183 Ontario again I quote when governments TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01009-00280184-00280432 pass legislation to make their own TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01010-00280433-00280810 accounting rules that serve to obfuscate TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01011-00280811-00281119 the impact of their financial decision TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01012-00281120-00281385 their financial statements become TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01013-00281386-00281551 unreliable TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01014-00281552-00281905 that is why accountability and Trust TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01015-00281906-00282349 need to be restored it was absent in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01016-00282350-00282559 previous government speaker we can TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01017-00282560-00282838 calculate the cost of the deficit but we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01018-00282839-00283066 cannot calculate the cost of the trust TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01019-00283067-00283149 deficit TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01020-00283150-00284638 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01021-00284639-00284882 start the clock remember for Hamilton TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01022-00284883-00285113 West and cast redundants Hugh mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01023-00285114-00285326 speaker my question this morning is for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01024-00285327-00285440 the Minister for seniors and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01025-00285441-00285695 accessibility this government recently TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01026-00285696-00285935 made a decision to ignore the concerns TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01027-00285936-00286220 of both investors investment regulators TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01028-00286221-00286472 and seniors advocate groups such as a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01029-00286473-00286658 Canadian Association of Retired Persons TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01030-00286659-00286981 who call for the banning of deferred TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01031-00286982-00287285 deferred sales charges on mutual funds TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01032-00287286-00287560 mr. speaker people across our province TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01033-00287561-00287798 struggle to save and put a little money TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01034-00287799-00288029 aside for their retirement and these TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01035-00288030-00288287 deferred charges are an unnecessary and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01036-00288288-00288578 extra burden on these people so why is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01037-00288579-00288755 this government ignoring the voices of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01038-00288756-00288980 seniors and people who are saving for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01039-00288981-00289805 their retirement thank you I like to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01040-00289806-00289973 refer that question to the Minister of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01041-00289974-00290378 Finance Thank You Minister finance Thank TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01042-00290379-00290864 You speaker our government is absolutely TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01043-00290865-00291172 committed to making Ontario a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01044-00291173-00291425 competitive place a place that we can TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01045-00291426-00291824 invest in grow and create jobs and we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01046-00291825-00292028 want the world speaker to know that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01047-00292029-00292418 Ontario is open for business we will TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01048-00292419-00292724 continue to work with other provinces TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01049-00292725-00293009 other territories and other stakeholders TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01050-00293010-00293296 to explore potential alternatives TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01051-00293297-00293570 outside of the measures of the Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01052-00293571-00293837 security Commission that what they are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01053-00293838-00294062 proposing is one thing we will continue TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01054-00294063-00294347 to work with our partners to look for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01055-00294348-00294665 other proposals we want the market TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01056-00294666-00295001 speaker to be a fair place for investors TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01057-00295002-00295215 thank you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01058-00295216-00295480 complementary the mr. speaker back to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01059-00295481-00295606 the Minister for seniors and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01060-00295607-00295837 accessibility mr. speaker if this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01061-00295838-00295981 government won't listen to our own TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01062-00295982-00296272 seniors and groups like harp who say TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01063-00296273-00296497 that deferred sales charges mean TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01064-00296498-00296767 Ontarians will not be able to say invest TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01065-00296768-00296989 or fund their retirements effectively TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01066-00296990-00297217 will they listen to Investment TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01067-00297218-00297373 regulators such as the Canadian TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01068-00297374-00297544 Securities Commission and the Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01069-00297545-00297733 Securities Commission who study these TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01070-00297734-00297958 charges and they have long described TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01071-00297959-00298225 these fees as bad for investors or is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01072-00298226-00298405 this really about making conservative TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01073-00298406-00298539 lobbyists happy TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01074-00298540-00299821 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01075-00299822-00300191 spots Minister thank you very much TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01076-00300192-00300443 speaker but I won't thank the member for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01077-00300444-00300802 the insult to to our party whatsoever TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01078-00300803-00301075 I do find those types of comments are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01079-00301076-00301544 not helpful in this legislature she's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01080-00301545-00301769 not only impugning motive she doesn't TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01081-00301770-00302101 have her facts right speaker the members TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01082-00302102-00302315 should understand what the deferred TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01083-00302316-00302521 Commission's the embedded commissions TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01084-00302522-00302782 were all about she may want to study TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01085-00302783-00303022 what happened in the UK with embedded TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01086-00303023-00303229 commissions and how this did not work TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01087-00303230-00303580 speaker she may she may need to do a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01088-00303581-00303802 little bit of studying of other embedded TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01089-00303803-00304037 commissions and the damage that had TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01090-00304038-00304075 caused TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01091-00304076-00304321 elsewhere throughout the world and begin TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01092-00304322-00304471 to understand that we're trying to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01093-00304472-00304742 consult with the other provinces the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01094-00304743-00304948 other territories and other stakeholders TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01095-00304949-00305230 to make sure that our marketplace is a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01096-00305231-00305527 fair player investor speaker we've got TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01097-00305528-00305821 the people of all of the people in mind TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01098-00305822-00305993 as we continue to look for a better a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01099-00305994-00306382 better way till next question TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01100-00306383-00306715 remember for Scarborough Agincourt a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01101-00306716-00307054 speaker my question today is for the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01102-00307055-00307214 Minister of Community Safety and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01103-00307215-00307595 Correctional Services speaker Ontario's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01104-00307596-00307822 dedicated correctional officers and the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01105-00307823-00308047 staff have faced a significant amount of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01106-00308048-00308350 work-related stress due to the previous TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01107-00308351-00308650 Liberal government's neglect and their TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01108-00308651-00308872 failure to act in providing these men TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01109-00308873-00309092 and woman with the tools they need to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01110-00309093-00309362 perform their duties safely and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01111-00309363-00309658 effectively after 15 years of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01112-00309659-00309866 mismanagement by the previous Liberal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01113-00309867-00310115 government our dedicated correctional TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01114-00310116-00310415 officers and staff were ignored for too TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01115-00310416-00310688 long speaker the safety of our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01116-00310689-00310897 hard-working and dedicated correctional TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01117-00310898-00311305 officers can no no longer be ignored to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01118-00311306-00311398 the minister TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01119-00311399-00311596 can you please update the members of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01120-00311597-00311785 this legislature on what you are doing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01121-00311786-00312004 to enhance security and improve safety TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01122-00312005-00312410 in Ontario's correctional system TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01123-00312411-00312933 Thank You mr. speaker and thank you to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01124-00312934-00313122 the member for Scarborough Agincourt for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01125-00313123-00313329 the question mr. speaker this past TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01126-00313330-00313593 Friday I was proud to stand alongside TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01127-00313594-00313830 the Minister of Natural Resources and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01128-00313831-00314037 forestry and the member from Chatham TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01129-00314038-00314226 Kent Leamington to announce our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01130-00314227-00314508 government's new plan to enhance safety TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01131-00314509-00314808 and security at Elgin Middlesex TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01132-00314809-00315120 detention center mr. speaker as the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01133-00315121-00315288 member stated the previous Liberal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01134-00315289-00315507 government failed to act and Leopard TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01135-00315508-00315726 correctional officers and staff in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01136-00315727-00316101 harm's way for over 15 years prior to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01137-00316102-00316323 this announcement I visited the city of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01138-00316324-00316536 London and heard firsthand the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01139-00316537-00316794 challenges that frontline officers and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01140-00316795-00317019 staff are encountering at algún TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01141-00317020-00317307 Middlesex detention centre as well as TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01142-00317308-00317550 the challenges being faced by police and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01143-00317551-00317784 community members in the city response TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01144-00317785-00318009 our government is listening and remains TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01145-00318010-00318159 committed to providing our hard-working TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01146-00318160-00318339 and dedicated correctional officers and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01147-00318340-00318546 staff the necessary tools and resources TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01148-00318547-00319365 they need to do their jobs properly the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01149-00319366-00319590 speaker I want to thank the Minister for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01150-00319591-00319830 his response I am proud to stand here TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01151-00319831-00320082 today knowing that our government for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01152-00320083-00320349 the people is taking the safety and the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01153-00320350-00320580 security of our correctional officers TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01154-00320581-00320934 and staff seriously speaker our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01155-00320935-00321156 hard-working and dedicated correctional TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01156-00321157-00321429 staff deserve better after 15 long years TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01157-00321430-00321711 of mismanagement and neglect by the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01158-00321712-00322040 previous Liberal government a speaker TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01159-00322041-00322350 can the Minister please explain what TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01160-00322351-00322563 actions he is taking to address the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01161-00322564-00322911 safety of our neighborhoods and security TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01162-00322912-00323094 of the provinces hard-working and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01163-00323095-00323328 dedicated correctional officers and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01164-00323329-00323724 staff TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01165-00323725-00323916 Thank You mr. speaker and I thank the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01166-00323917-00324162 member for that question in response to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01167-00324163-00324480 the recent inmate overdoses at egg Alvin TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01168-00324481-00324678 Middlesex Detention Center our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01169-00324679-00324921 government introduced enhance safety and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01170-00324922-00325164 security measures to ensure that our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01171-00325165-00325385 correctional officers and staff can TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01172-00325386-00325599 perform their duties safely and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01173-00325600-00325865 effectively mr. speaker as of yesterday TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01174-00325866-00326202 staff at MDC will have access to a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01175-00326203-00326487 dedicated k-9 unit additional TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01176-00326488-00326745 correctional officers enhanced body TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01177-00326746-00326984 scanner training and new drug detection TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01178-00326985-00327354 kits to quickly identify whether a found TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01179-00327355-00327663 substance is contraband in addition mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01180-00327664-00327858 speaker our government is piloting a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01181-00327859-00328173 dedicated hospital escort team for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01182-00328174-00328467 inmate health care needs our government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01183-00328468-00328743 also plans on hiring more healthcare TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01184-00328744-00329049 staff to support inmate care enhancing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01185-00329050-00329301 staff training to recognize the signs of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01186-00329302-00329514 potential overdoses response I've TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01187-00329515-00329757 private in an ion scanner that can TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01188-00329758-00329952 identify trace elements of drugs on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01189-00329953-00330165 items that through our facilities Mr TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01190-00330166-00330383 Speaker we are using evidence-based of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01191-00330384-00330561 thank you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01192-00330562-00330972 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01193-00330973-00330996 [Music] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01194-00330997-00331273 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01195-00331274-00331598 Thank You mr. speaker my question is for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01196-00331599-00331759 the minister of government and consumer TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01197-00331760-00332201 services now that John Tavares is on the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01198-00332202-00332860 Leafs roster we all know thank you we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01199-00332861-00333028 all know there will be a Stanley Cup TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01200-00333029-00333910 parade here in Toronto next year but but TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01201-00333911-00334241 there is a but after reading ongoing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01202-00334242-00334477 investigative reports that have shocked TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01203-00334478-00334817 sports and music fans not only in Canada TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01204-00334818-00335101 but the United States as well it's clear TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01205-00335102-00335410 that most hockey fans in my riding won't TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01206-00335411-00335623 be able to afford Maple Leaf tickets TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01207-00335624-00336068 this is because of unethical ticket TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01208-00336069-00336376 scalping practices that have been not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01209-00336377-00336630 only tolerated but enabled by TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01210-00336631-00336926 Ticketmaster what is the minister doing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01211-00336927-00337199 about these unethical and unfair sales TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01212-00337200-00337772 practices thanks very much for the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01213-00337773-00337973 member opposite for the question finally TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01214-00337974-00338185 we found something that we can agree on TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01215-00338186-00338966 with the NDP I couldn't be happier I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01216-00338967-00339194 couldn't be happier that John Tavares is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01217-00339195-00339365 a member of the buds here in Toronto TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01218-00339366-00339968 this year I can tell you that what was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01219-00339969-00340252 happening previously with the Liberal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01220-00340253-00340462 government on the ticket sale issue TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01221-00340463-00340796 wasn't actually helping those who wanted TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01222-00340797-00341026 to attend sporting events and concerts TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01223-00341027-00341297 and other big events that were happening TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01224-00341298-00341564 this first came to light actually mr. TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01225-00341565-00341813 speaker when the unfortunate diagnosis TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01226-00341814-00342084 of Gore Downey of The Tragically Hip TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01227-00342085-00342310 occurred and the government made some TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01228-00342311-00342500 changes to the ticket speculation Act TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01229-00342501-00342706 during that summer I can tell you that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01230-00342707-00342904 our government is committed to working TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01231-00342905-00343145 with the minister the Attorney General TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01232-00343146-00343426 our bar attorney general here in Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01233-00343427-00343654 and making sure that we bring in some TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01234-00343655-00343862 legislation that has some teeth so we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01235-00343863-00344029 can keep ticket prices low for those who TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01236-00344030-00344557 want to attend these events one of the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01237-00344558-00344728 berries one of the very first things TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01238-00344729-00344876 this government did when an assumed TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01239-00344877-00345089 office was to block legislation that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01240-00345090-00345242 would have stopped scalpers from selling TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01241-00345243-00345401 tickets for more than 50% of the face TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01242-00345402-00345590 value I don't remember the premier TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01243-00345591-00345778 telling anyone before the election he TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01244-00345779-00346001 would do this why was it suddenly the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01245-00346002-00346183 government's top priority after the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01246-00346184-00346354 election to help Ticketmaster in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01247-00346355-00346568 scalpers while hurting music fans and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01248-00346569-00347100 hockey fans TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01249-00347101-00347404 speaker I should acknowledge as well it TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01250-00347405-00347677 this is the first crashing from my TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01251-00347678-00347923 critic and I appreciate the question in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01252-00347924-00348181 the legislature here this morning but TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01253-00348182-00348511 but I should say that you know what the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01254-00348512-00348682 Liberals used to do when they were the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01255-00348683-00348865 government of Ontario was they would TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01256-00348866-00349174 bring in pieces of legislation and then TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01257-00349175-00349573 actually we're just all about fluff they TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01258-00349574-00349768 made you feel like the government was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01259-00349769-00350112 actually doing something when TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01260-00350113-00350437 legislation didn't do anything to attack TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01261-00350438-00350614 the problem at hand and that was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01262-00350615-00350836 ensuring that ticket prices remained TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01263-00350837-00351022 affordable for the average person across TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01264-00351023-00351253 the province what we've done is we pause TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01265-00351254-00351451 the implementation until we can actually TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01266-00351452-00351727 bring in legislation that's going to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01267-00351728-00351916 take these scalpers off the streets TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01268-00351917-00352087 that's going to take these scalpers off TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01269-00352088-00352312 line it's not just simply putting it TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01270-00352313-00352471 down on a piece of paper on you're gonna TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01271-00352472-00352657 bring in legislation you know you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01272-00352658-00352867 actually have to have legislation that's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01273-00352868-00353068 enforceable we're bringing in meaningful TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01274-00353069-00353363 legislation for the people of Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01275-00353364-00354428 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01276-00354429-00354917 order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01277-00354918-00355565 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01278-00355566-00355810 order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01279-00355811-00356051 start the clock next question remember TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01280-00356052-00356745 for Niagara West tourism culture and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01281-00356746-00356984 sport speaker this past Monday the the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01282-00356985-00357138 Minister for tourism culture and sport TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01283-00357139-00357369 visited the Niagara region and engaged TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01284-00357370-00357498 with stakeholders on red tape reduction TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01285-00357499-00357827 in tourism the wine culinary and Agri TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01286-00357828-00358034 tourism industries are growing a key TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01287-00358035-00358326 component of tourism in Ontario adding TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01288-00358327-00358532 good jobs to our economy especially in TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01289-00358533-00358692 the Niagara region I'm proud to call TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01290-00358693-00358872 home so could the Minister please TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01291-00358873-00359025 explain to the house what steps our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01292-00359026-00359234 premier and government are taking to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01293-00359235-00359445 making sure that on Niagara and Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01294-00359446-00360053 is finally open for business thank you TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01295-00360054-00360281 for the question and thank you for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01296-00360282-00360506 participating in the roundtable TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01297-00360507-00360677 yesterday was very valuable because TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01298-00360678-00360902 there is no doubt that our Niagara TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01299-00360903-00361137 region is a success story we have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01300-00361138-00361746 something but we need to do better as a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01301-00361747-00361982 government and part of the round tables TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01302-00361983-00362217 goal was to listen to those stakeholders TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01303-00362218-00362421 listen to those agribusinesses listening TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01304-00362422-00362660 to those tourism operators and find out TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01305-00362661-00362862 where the regulations are in the red TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01306-00362863-00363075 tape that are blocking their ability to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01307-00363076-00363359 expand we want to make sure that Ontario TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01308-00363360-00363570 is open for business and yesterday was a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01309-00363571-00364213 first good step towards that goal TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01310-00364214-00364480 my riding we're very pleased to see the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01311-00364481-00364640 minister down in Niagara and they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01312-00364641-00364801 pleased that steps are being taken by TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01313-00364802-00364972 our government to address the unfair TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01314-00364973-00365141 regulatory burdens that have been TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01315-00365142-00365369 plaguing tourism and business in Agra TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01316-00365370-00365669 for far too long I'm confident in our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01317-00365670-00365848 government in our premier to make it TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01318-00365849-00366025 easier for businesses to thrive and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01319-00366026-00366259 succeed in the Niagara region something TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01320-00366260-00366395 that the former Liberal government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01321-00366396-00366638 failed to do with the minister please TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01322-00366639-00366832 elaborate to the house on what is being TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01323-00366833-00367033 done to attract tourism and increase TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01324-00367034-00367268 business to both Niagara and Ontario as TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01325-00367269-00368270 a whole as you know really showed how we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01326-00368271-00368572 need to work together we have impacts TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01327-00368573-00368884 and and regulations that that all of our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01328-00368885-00369062 caucus and cabinet colleagues have to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01329-00369063-00369235 deal with whether it's Municipal Affairs TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01330-00369236-00369413 and housing whether it's infrastructure TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01331-00369414-00369676 finance all of us need to work together TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01332-00369677-00369866 to make sure that the regulations that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01333-00369867-00370067 are are in place are protecting our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01334-00370068-00370276 people in our business but also that the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01335-00370277-00370544 regulations make sense and it was it was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01336-00370545-00370804 enlightening and very helpful to have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01337-00370805-00371047 those stakeholders share very specific TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01338-00371048-00371267 examples of how we can do better and I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01339-00371268-00371479 can assure the member that with his help TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01340-00371480-00371701 and with our our government open for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01341-00371702-00372368 business we will do that Thank You TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01342-00372369-00372518 speaker my questions to the Minister of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01343-00372519-00372662 the Environment conservation in parks TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01344-00372663-00372910 speakers sunrise place nonprofit housing TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01345-00372911-00373153 co-op is a vibrant 58 unit seniors TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01346-00373154-00373408 building in my riding sunrise has to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01347-00373409-00373619 replace their make up air unit which TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01348-00373620-00373810 brings in fresh air from outside it TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01349-00373811-00373975 would improve air quality and reduce TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01350-00373976-00374200 energy the cost of replacement is a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01351-00374201-00374400 hundred and five thousand dollars TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01352-00374401-00374687 sunrise applied for the green on social TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01353-00374688-00374890 housing grant and was successful TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01354-00374891-00375124 unfortunately as of July 9th this brand TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01355-00375125-00375247 has now been cancelled and with it the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01356-00375248-00375382 money for sunrise does this government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01357-00375383-00375572 want seniors in Oshawa to be able to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01358-00375573-00375760 breathe easily and will this government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01359-00375761-00375920 reinstate the grant to cover the cost of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01360-00375921-00376087 the air quality unit TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01361-00376088-00376439 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01362-00376440-00376638 mr. speaker through you to the member TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01363-00376639-00376869 and I I appreciate the question TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01364-00376870-00377132 as I've said before in this in this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01365-00377133-00377340 legislature when our government was TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01366-00377341-00377505 elected on the basis of getting rid of TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01367-00377506-00377694 the cap-and-trade program responsibly we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01368-00377695-00377979 also needed to wind down the program TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01369-00377980-00378246 that the costs of the various items that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01370-00378247-00378453 were being paid for by that program and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01371-00378454-00378723 so very early we announced to transfer TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01372-00378724-00378873 partners that we would be doing that TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01373-00378874-00379062 it's being wound down in a very orderly TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01374-00379063-00379326 fashion we're working with the various TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01375-00379327-00379494 organizations that were transfer TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01376-00379495-00379680 partners in some cases because the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01377-00379681-00379856 contracts have been signed programs are TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01378-00379857-00380019 going forward in the cases where they're TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01379-00380020-00380190 not the responsible thing because the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01380-00380191-00380403 program has been ended it's not to not TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01381-00380404-00380592 proceed with that program this is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01382-00380593-00380754 because we believe that affordability is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01383-00380755-00380909 a critical issue we believe that putting TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01384-00380910-00381180 260 dollars back in the pockets of every TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01385-00381181-00381381 family is an important item we believe TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01386-00381382-00381591 that reducing gas prices and natural gas TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01387-00381592-00381870 prices are the priority and and that is TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01388-00381871-00382124 the approach we've taken TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01389-00382125-00382419 Supplementary thank you and again to the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01390-00382420-00382587 Minister one of the Premier's first TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01391-00382588-00382784 priorities was to cancel support for TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01392-00382785-00382929 green initiatives improvements and TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01393-00382930-00383105 repairs across our communities this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01394-00383106-00383333 government cancelled the green on social TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01395-00383334-00383582 housing grant and so now sunrise place TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01396-00383583-00383814 seniors co-op has had to cancel their TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01397-00383815-00384027 plans to install this necessary air TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01398-00384028-00384264 quality unit this government cut this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01399-00384265-00384468 grant and seems proud of that decision TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01400-00384469-00384730 but our seniors need to live in helpful TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01401-00384731-00384959 environments sunrise reached out TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01402-00384960-00385143 directly to the premiers office and has TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01403-00385144-00385317 heard nothing back so I'll ask the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01404-00385318-00385559 minister today for them will this TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01405-00385560-00385749 government work with sunrise to ensure TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01406-00385750-00385955 they can move ahead with their building TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01407-00385956-00386405 improvement plans TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01408-00386406-00386729 then through you to the member with the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01409-00386730-00386967 end of cap-and-trade also came the end TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01410-00386968-00387125 of that program this is a government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01411-00387126-00387299 that is enormous ly sensitive to seniors TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01412-00387300-00387575 and all all of our citizens in the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01413-00387576-00387738 Durham Region that's one of the reasons TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01414-00387739-00387947 that we did not proceed with the NDP's TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01415-00387948-00388085 plan to close the Pickering nuclear TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01416-00388086-00388989 power plant which would this the people TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01417-00388990-00389159 of Ontario can count on this government TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01418-00389160-00389343 to respect seniors to respect all TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01419-00389344-00389592 taxpayers to behave responsibly with our TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01420-00389593-00389759 finances and obviously to balance the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01421-00389760-00390022 needs of a healthy environment as well TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01422-00390023-00390359 thank you that concludes the time we TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01423-00390360-00390516 have this morning for question period I TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01424-00390517-00390710 want to recognize the Minister missable TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01425-00390711-00390843 Affairs and housing on a point of order TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01426-00390844-00391019 Thank You speaker point of order I want TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01427-00391020-00391215 to introduce to you and through you two TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01428-00391216-00391409 members of the Legislative Assembly a TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01429-00391410-00391676 very special guest in the public gallery TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01430-00391677-00391937 my daughter Caitlin Clarke TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01431-00391938-00393405 [Applause] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01432-00393406-00393616 [Music] TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01433-00393617-00394049 once again the minister I also have TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01434-00394050-00394427 another introduction today we have the TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01435-00394428-00394838 father of page captain Victoria McLeod TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01436-00394839-00395075 Varner in the public gallery I know her TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01437-00395076-00395291 mother gets lots of opportunities to TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01438-00395292-00395482 speak but I wanted to introduce her TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01439-00395483-00397171 father Joe Varner welcome TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01440-00397172-00397445 this house stands in recess until 1:00 TnJ2VxtH3DQ-01441-00397446-00397724 p.m. this afternoon TnU1kw69G-I-00000-00000028-00000398 sir William Richard Joseph cook the 10th TnU1kw69G-I-00001-00000399-00000837 of April 1905 to the 16th of September TnU1kw69G-I-00002-00000838-00001190 1987 was a British mathematician and TnU1kw69G-I-00003-00001191-00001589 civil servant a graduate of Bristol TnU1kw69G-I-00004-00001590-00001855 University he joined the staff of the TnU1kw69G-I-00005-00001857-00002234 Woolwich Arsenal in 1928 working on the TnU1kw69G-I-00006-00002235-00002495 six-inch naval guns and the 3-inch TnU1kw69G-I-00007-00002496-00002867 anti-aircraft rocket during the Second TnU1kw69G-I-00008-00002868-00003155 World War he was deputy controller of TnU1kw69G-I-00009-00003156-00003465 the projectile development establishment TnU1kw69G-I-00010-00003467-00003797 after the war he became director of the TnU1kw69G-I-00011-00003797-00004084 ministry of supplies rocket propulsion TnU1kw69G-I-00012-00004085-00004279 establishment at Westcott TnU1kw69G-I-00013-00004280-00004763 Buckinghamshire in 1947 he joined the TnU1kw69G-I-00014-00004764-00005075 Royal Naval scientific service serving TnU1kw69G-I-00015-00005076-00005534 as its chief from 1950 to 1954 when he TnU1kw69G-I-00016-00005535-00005797 became deputy head of the weapons group TnU1kw69G-I-00017-00005798-00006061 of the newly created United Kingdom TnU1kw69G-I-00018-00006062-00006559 Atomic Energy Authority UK aea it was TnU1kw69G-I-00019-00006561-00006776 under his leadership that Britain TnU1kw69G-I-00020-00006777-00007039 developed the hydrogen bomb and he was TnU1kw69G-I-00021-00007040-00007298 present as the scientific director of TnU1kw69G-I-00022-00007298-00007616 the operation grapple nuclear tests at TnU1kw69G-I-00023-00007617-00008014 Malden island in May and June 1957 and TnU1kw69G-I-00024-00008015-00008299 the successful thermonuclear tests at TnU1kw69G-I-00025-00008300-00008788 Christmas Island in November 1957 in TnU1kw69G-I-00026-00008789-00009227 1958 he became the UK a EA's member for TnU1kw69G-I-00027-00009228-00009496 engineering and production and oversaw TnU1kw69G-I-00028-00009497-00009778 the expansion of the civil nuclear power TnU1kw69G-I-00029-00009779-00010208 industry Cooke returned to the Ministry TnU1kw69G-I-00030-00010209-00010528 of Defence in 1960 as one of two TnU1kw69G-I-00031-00010529-00010820 deputies to the chief scientific adviser TnU1kw69G-I-00032-00010821-00011210 to the Ministry of Defence Cooke served TnU1kw69G-I-00033-00011211-00011501 as the chief scientific adviser to the TnU1kw69G-I-00034-00011502-00012017 Ministry of Defence from 1966 until 1970 TnU1kw69G-I-00035-00012018-00012303 when he retired from the civil service TnU1kw69G-I-00036-00012304-00012641 he oversaw the development of weapons TnU1kw69G-I-00037-00012642-00012941 such as the panavia tornado rapier TnU1kw69G-I-00038-00012941-00013299 surface-to-air missile se P EC TnU1kw69G-I-00039-00013300-00013782 tea Jaguar and FH 70 howitzer after TnU1kw69G-I-00040-00013783-00014175 rolls-royce went bankrupt in 1970 he TnU1kw69G-I-00041-00014176-00014391 chaired a committee that determined that TnU1kw69G-I-00042-00014391-00014778 the rolls-royce rb211 engine should be TnU1kw69G-I-00043-00014779-00015105 continued when rolls-royce was TnU1kw69G-I-00044-00015106-00015494 nationalized in 1971 he was appointed TnU1kw69G-I-00045-00015495-00015846 one of the company's directors he TnU1kw69G-I-00046-00015847-00016260 retired in 1976 but continued to assist TnU1kw69G-I-00047-00016261-00016635 the company for four more years he was TnU1kw69G-I-00048-00016636-00016949 also a director of GEC Marconi TnU1kw69G-I-00049-00016950-00017460 electronics from 1972 to 1979 and TnU1kw69G-I-00050-00017461-00017853 Marconi International Marine from 1971 TnU1kw69G-I-00051-00017854-00018276 to 1975 and a consultant to British TnU1kw69G-I-00052-00018277-00018844 Telecom from 1982 to 1985 TnU1kw69G-I-00053-00018845-00019208 you TnU1kw69G-I-00054-00019209-00019596 topic early life TnU1kw69G-I-00055-00019597-00019789 you TnU1kw69G-I-00056-00019790-00020092 William Richard Joseph bill cooke was TnU1kw69G-I-00057-00020093-00020371 born in Trowbridge Wiltshire on the 10th TnU1kw69G-I-00058-00020372-00020758 of April 1905 the oldest child of John TnU1kw69G-I-00059-00020759-00021052 Cook a railway inspector and his wife TnU1kw69G-I-00060-00021053-00021230 even a bubier TnU1kw69G-I-00061-00021231-00021594 he had two younger siblings a sister TnU1kw69G-I-00062-00021595-00021991 Stella and a brother Lionel he was TnU1kw69G-I-00063-00021992-00022258 educated at Trowbridge Trinity School TnU1kw69G-I-00064-00022259-00022630 and Trowbridge boys high school he TnU1kw69G-I-00065-00022631-00022778 gained his higher school certificate TnU1kw69G-I-00066-00022779-00023116 with a distinction in mathematics for TnU1kw69G-I-00067-00023117-00023341 which he was awarded a university TnU1kw69G-I-00068-00023342-00023653 scholarship he entered Bristol TnU1kw69G-I-00069-00023654-00023914 University from which he received his TnU1kw69G-I-00070-00023915-00024391 Bachelor of Science degree in 1925 this TnU1kw69G-I-00071-00024392-00024700 was followed by a diploma of education TnU1kw69G-I-00072-00024701-00025108 in 1926 and a Master of Science degree TnU1kw69G-I-00073-00025109-00025558 in 1927 writing his dissertation on the TnU1kw69G-I-00074-00025559-00026395 forces between atoms and ions TnU1kw69G-I-00075-00026397-00026939 topic rockets TnU1kw69G-I-00076-00026939-00027254 cook worked as a part-time lecturer and TnU1kw69G-I-00077-00027255-00027652 an assistant to john lennard-jones he TnU1kw69G-I-00078-00027654-00027943 considered becoming a teacher but in TnU1kw69G-I-00079-00027944-00028232 1928 he elected to become a civil TnU1kw69G-I-00080-00028233-00028526 servant instead joining the staff of the TnU1kw69G-I-00081-00028527-00028849 Royal Arsenal in Woolwich as a librarian TnU1kw69G-I-00082-00028850-00029146 he initially worked in the external TnU1kw69G-I-00083-00029147-00029371 ballistics section of the research TnU1kw69G-I-00084-00029372-00029627 department there where he developed the TnU1kw69G-I-00085-00029627-00029930 cooked camera this was used to TnU1kw69G-I-00086-00029931-00030137 investigate the problem of the TnU1kw69G-I-00087-00030138-00030421 inaccuracy of the Royal Navy's triple TnU1kw69G-I-00088-00030422-00030845 mounted 6-inch naval guns the problem TnU1kw69G-I-00089-00030845-00031031 was traced to the blast waves TnU1kw69G-I-00090-00031032-00031264 interfering with each other and was TnU1kw69G-I-00091-00031266-00031523 resolved by delaying the firing of the TnU1kw69G-I-00092-00031524-00032018 middle gun by a few milliseconds in 1929 TnU1kw69G-I-00093-00032019-00032233 he married Grace Purnell TnU1kw69G-I-00094-00032235-00032651 they had a daughter Betty in 1935 TnU1kw69G-I-00095-00032652-00032870 Cook was sent to work on the 3-inch TnU1kw69G-I-00096-00032871-00033134 anti-aircraft rocket the brainchild of TnU1kw69G-I-00097-00033135-00033545 Lord Cherwell and Duncan Sandy's the TnU1kw69G-I-00098-00033546-00033802 rocket had a problem the bonding of the TnU1kw69G-I-00099-00033803-00034181 cordite to the outer case failing cook TnU1kw69G-I-00100-00034182-00034433 led the project which corrected this TnU1kw69G-I-00101-00034434-00034726 enabling the Rockets to be deployed in TnU1kw69G-I-00102-00034727-00035000 1940 with the first battery under TnU1kw69G-I-00103-00035001-00035282 Sandy's command in time to support the TnU1kw69G-I-00104-00035283-00035546 air defense of Britain during the Second TnU1kw69G-I-00105-00035547-00036043 World War he divorced grace in 1939 and TnU1kw69G-I-00106-00036044-00036337 married glady Alan's a librarian at TnU1kw69G-I-00107-00036338-00036707 Woolwich they had a son Robert Anthony TnU1kw69G-I-00108-00036708-00037165 and a daughter Elizabeth Mary the rocket TnU1kw69G-I-00109-00037166-00037396 development department moved from TnU1kw69G-I-00110-00037397-00037664 Woolwich to Fort Halstead and then to TnU1kw69G-I-00111-00037665-00038002 Aberforth in 1940 where it became the TnU1kw69G-I-00112-00038003-00038193 projectile development establishment TnU1kw69G-I-00113-00038194-00038521 with Sir Alwyn Crowe as controller of TnU1kw69G-I-00114-00038522-00038783 projectile development and cook as his TnU1kw69G-I-00115-00038784-00039196 deputy in 1943 Cook was asked to provide TnU1kw69G-I-00116-00039197-00039437 an expert opinion on military TnU1kw69G-I-00117-00039438-00039652 intelligence that the Germans were TnU1kw69G-I-00118-00039653-00040049 developing long-range rockets cherwell TnU1kw69G-I-00119-00040050-00040325 Crowe and Cooke were agreed that a TnU1kw69G-I-00120-00040326-00040585 range liquid propellant rocket was TnU1kw69G-I-00121-00040586-00040892 technologically infeasible and a solid TnU1kw69G-I-00122-00040893-00041180 propellant rocket using cordite would be TnU1kw69G-I-00123-00041181-00041558 impractical II large Wernher von Braun TnU1kw69G-I-00124-00041559-00041819 proved them wrong with the successful TnU1kw69G-I-00125-00041820-00042209 deployment of the v2 rocket cook then TnU1kw69G-I-00126-00042210-00042436 turned to the study of missile guidance TnU1kw69G-I-00127-00042437-00042746 mechanisms for the British liquid oxygen TnU1kw69G-I-00128-00042747-00043097 petrol guided aerial projectile lop gap TnU1kw69G-I-00129-00043098-00043484 liquid propellant rocket after the war TnU1kw69G-I-00130-00043485-00043739 he became director of the ministry of TnU1kw69G-I-00131-00043740-00044057 supplies rocket propulsion establishment TnU1kw69G-I-00132-00044058-00044435 at Westcott Buckinghamshire TnU1kw69G-I-00133-00044436-00044799 you TnU1kw69G-I-00134-00044800-00045542 topic nuclear-weapons funding for the TnU1kw69G-I-00135-00045543-00045796 rocket propulsion establishment was TnU1kw69G-I-00136-00045797-00046184 niggardly and in 1947 the chief of the TnU1kw69G-I-00137-00046185-00046574 royal naval scientific service CR and SS TnU1kw69G-I-00138-00046575-00046877 frederick braun dritt recruited Cooke as TnU1kw69G-I-00139-00046878-00047158 his director of physical research in TnU1kw69G-I-00140-00047159-00047498 this capacity Cooke was mainly concerned TnU1kw69G-I-00141-00047499-00047855 with underwater warfare particularly the TnU1kw69G-I-00142-00047856-00048326 detection of submarines in 1950 Brun TnU1kw69G-I-00143-00048327-00048593 dritt became deputy chief scientific TnU1kw69G-I-00144-00048594-00048896 adviser to the Ministry of Defense to TnU1kw69G-I-00145-00048897-00049183 sir Henry Tizard and Cooke succeeded him TnU1kw69G-I-00146-00049184-00049624 as CR and SS he was made a companion of TnU1kw69G-I-00147-00049625-00049852 the order of the bath on the 1st of TnU1kw69G-I-00148-00049853-00050390 January 1951 Tizard retired soon after TnU1kw69G-I-00149-00050391-00050765 the 1951 election that returned Winston TnU1kw69G-I-00150-00050766-00051043 Churchill's Conservative Party to office TnU1kw69G-I-00151-00051044-00051385 and was succeeded by Sir John Cockcroft TnU1kw69G-I-00152-00051386-00051737 the Cockcroft was also the director of TnU1kw69G-I-00153-00051738-00051976 the Atomic Energy Research Establishment TnU1kw69G-I-00154-00051977-00052345 at Harwell Oxfordshire and found himself TnU1kw69G-I-00155-00052346-00052649 unable to devote sufficient time to both TnU1kw69G-I-00156-00052650-00053015 roles he therefore was succeeded as TnU1kw69G-I-00157-00053016-00053329 chief scientific adviser to the ministry TnU1kw69G-I-00158-00053330-00053798 of defence by Brun dritt in 1954 Brun TnU1kw69G-I-00159-00053799-00054041 dritt asked cook to become the chairman TnU1kw69G-I-00160-00054041-00054314 of the defence research policy committee TnU1kw69G-I-00161-00054315-00054824 on the 27th of july 1954 cabinet agreed TnU1kw69G-I-00162-00054825-00055184 to develop the hydrogen bomb this task TnU1kw69G-I-00163-00055185-00055394 would fall most heavily on the shoulders TnU1kw69G-I-00164-00055395-00055724 of Sir William penny who was appointed TnU1kw69G-I-00165-00055725-00055930 the head of the weapons group of the TnU1kw69G-I-00166-00055932-00056222 newly created United Kingdom Atomic TnU1kw69G-I-00167-00056223-00056690 Energy Authority UK AEA to help him TnU1kw69G-I-00168-00056691-00056987 penny suggested cook be appointed as his TnU1kw69G-I-00169-00056988-00057091 deputy TnU1kw69G-I-00170-00057091-00057442 Sir Geoffrey taylor supported this and TnU1kw69G-I-00171-00057444-00057706 the Lord President of the Council the TnU1kw69G-I-00172-00057707-00057976 Marquess of Salisbury persuaded the TnU1kw69G-I-00173-00057977-00058115 first seal TnU1kw69G-I-00174-00058116-00058403 sir Roderick McGregor to release cook to TnU1kw69G-I-00175-00058404-00058759 work with penny cook commenced work at TnU1kw69G-I-00176-00058760-00059017 the atomic weapons establishment at TnU1kw69G-I-00177-00059018-00059448 Aldermaston on the 1st of September 1954 TnU1kw69G-I-00178-00059449-00059759 his task was to manage the British TnU1kw69G-I-00179-00059760-00060091 hydrogen bomb program he confessed to TnU1kw69G-I-00180-00060092-00060385 the chief scientist Samuel Curran I'm TnU1kw69G-I-00181-00060386-00060809 not a real scientist although penny and TnU1kw69G-I-00182-00060810-00061046 cook had very different temperaments TnU1kw69G-I-00183-00061047-00061329 they forged a good working relationship TnU1kw69G-I-00184-00061330-00061759 under cook the establishment ran like TnU1kw69G-I-00185-00061760-00062058 clockwork TnU1kw69G-I-00186-00062059-00062383 everything was well documented there was TnU1kw69G-I-00187-00062384-00062691 a lot of open discussion and everything TnU1kw69G-I-00188-00062692-00063080 operated on the very short timescale TnU1kw69G-I-00189-00063082-00063370 cooked kept a tight rein on the work TnU1kw69G-I-00190-00063371-00063637 through the weapons development Policy TnU1kw69G-I-00191-00063638-00064065 Committee which he created in April 1956 TnU1kw69G-I-00192-00064066-00064411 the consensus of scientists who worked TnU1kw69G-I-00193-00064412-00064651 on the project was that Britain would TnU1kw69G-I-00194-00064652-00064882 not have developed the hydrogen bomb TnU1kw69G-I-00195-00064883-00065119 without cook although cook gave the TnU1kw69G-I-00196-00065120-00065488 credit to Penny Cook was present as the TnU1kw69G-I-00197-00065489-00065767 scientific director of the operation TnU1kw69G-I-00198-00065768-00066073 grapple nuclear tests at Malden Island TnU1kw69G-I-00199-00066074-00066460 in May and June 1957 and the successful TnU1kw69G-I-00200-00066461-00066751 thermonuclear tests at Christmas Island TnU1kw69G-I-00201-00066752-00067252 in November 1957 he was created a knight TnU1kw69G-I-00202-00067253-00067805 bachelor in the 1958 New Year Honours TnU1kw69G-I-00203-00067806-00068171 you TnU1kw69G-I-00204-00068172-00068955 topic UK Atomic Energy Authority TnU1kw69G-I-00205-00068956-00069363 on the first of February 1958 cook TnU1kw69G-I-00206-00069364-00069657 became the UK a EAS member for TnU1kw69G-I-00207-00069658-00069903 engineering and production Vice Sir TnU1kw69G-I-00208-00069904-00070125 Christopher Hinton who had left to TnU1kw69G-I-00209-00070126-00070314 become chairman of the central TnU1kw69G-I-00210-00070315-00070686 electricity generating board in the wake TnU1kw69G-I-00211-00070687-00070982 of an inquiry by Lord Fleck production TnU1kw69G-I-00212-00070983-00071244 was separated from the UK a EA's TnU1kw69G-I-00213-00071245-00071676 industry group in July 1959 and cook TnU1kw69G-I-00214-00071677-00071904 became member for development and TnU1kw69G-I-00215-00071905-00072387 engineering in April 1961 these two TnU1kw69G-I-00216-00072388-00072675 functions were also separated and cook TnU1kw69G-I-00217-00072676-00073017 became the head of the reactor group the TnU1kw69G-I-00218-00073018-00073440 British government decided in 1957 that TnU1kw69G-I-00219-00073441-00073731 electricity generation by nuclear power TnU1kw69G-I-00220-00073732-00073974 would be promoted and that there would TnU1kw69G-I-00221-00073975-00074319 be a building program to achieve 5,000 TnU1kw69G-I-00222-00074320-00074820 to 6,000 megawatts capacity by 1965 a TnU1kw69G-I-00223-00074821-00075144 quarter of UK's generating needs Cooke TnU1kw69G-I-00224-00075145-00075405 was responsible for the four Magnox TnU1kw69G-I-00225-00075406-00075678 reactors at Calder Hall the four TnU1kw69G-I-00226-00075679-00075945 reactors under construction at Chapel TnU1kw69G-I-00227-00075946-00076209 cross and the uranium enrichment plant TnU1kw69G-I-00228-00076210-00076560 at cap and Hurst from Hinton he had TnU1kw69G-I-00229-00076561-00076872 inherited a conflict of responsibilities TnU1kw69G-I-00230-00076873-00077124 for reactor development between the TnU1kw69G-I-00231-00077125-00077403 industry group and Kok Crofts research TnU1kw69G-I-00232-00077404-00077748 group Cockcroft wanted it in the TnU1kw69G-I-00233-00077749-00078006 research group and proposed building a TnU1kw69G-I-00234-00078007-00078257 research center in Winfred with low TnU1kw69G-I-00235-00078258-00078537 powered research reactors for testing TnU1kw69G-I-00236-00078538-00078849 various combinations of coolants neutron TnU1kw69G-I-00237-00078850-00079251 moderators and nuclear fuels in the end TnU1kw69G-I-00238-00079252-00079544 Cockcroft prevailed and Winfred was TnU1kw69G-I-00239-00079545-00079812 built cook mainly dealt with the TnU1kw69G-I-00240-00079813-00080148 development of new reactors a number of TnU1kw69G-I-00241-00080149-00080382 types were developed including the TnU1kw69G-I-00242-00080383-00080754 advanced gas-cooled reactor AGR at TnU1kw69G-I-00243-00080755-00081075 Windscale considered a natural successor TnU1kw69G-I-00244-00081076-00081396 to the Magnox reactors the fast breeder TnU1kw69G-I-00245-00081397-00081735 reactor FBR at Doon ray the TnU1kw69G-I-00246-00081736-00081978 high-temperature dragon reactor at TnU1kw69G-I-00247-00081979-00082131 Winfred TnU1kw69G-I-00248-00082132-00082605 in addition under the 1958 US UK mutual TnU1kw69G-I-00249-00082606-00082832 defense agreement the Royal Navy TnU1kw69G-I-00250-00082833-00083130 received access to pressurized water TnU1kw69G-I-00251-00083131-00083556 reactor PW our technology used in u.s. TnU1kw69G-I-00252-00083557-00083934 nuclear submarines he was elected a TnU1kw69G-I-00253-00083935-00084511 fellow of the Royal Society in 1962 TnU1kw69G-I-00254-00084512-00084873 you TnU1kw69G-I-00255-00084874-00085520 topic Ministry of Defense TnU1kw69G-I-00256-00085521-00085922 in 1960 cook returned to the Ministry of TnU1kw69G-I-00257-00085923-00086201 Defence as one of two deputies to the TnU1kw69G-I-00258-00086202-00086519 chief scientific adviser to the Ministry TnU1kw69G-I-00259-00086520-00086828 of Defence Sir Sally Zuckerman the other TnU1kw69G-I-00260-00086829-00087206 being Alan Cottrell this was a turbulent TnU1kw69G-I-00261-00087207-00087500 time for the Ministry of Defence with TnU1kw69G-I-00262-00087501-00087782 tight budgetary constraints leading to TnU1kw69G-I-00263-00087783-00088040 heated debates over procurement of new TnU1kw69G-I-00264-00088041-00088310 weapons systems none more so than the TnU1kw69G-I-00265-00088311-00088783 BAC tsr-2 which was eventually cancelled TnU1kw69G-I-00266-00088784-00089123 Cooke was involved in negotiations with TnU1kw69G-I-00267-00089124-00089404 the French and later German and Italian TnU1kw69G-I-00268-00089405-00089708 government to build a replacement which TnU1kw69G-I-00269-00089709-00089978 eventually saw service with the RAF as TnU1kw69G-I-00270-00089979-00090386 the panavia tornado he also managed to TnU1kw69G-I-00271-00090387-00090784 salvage a troubled project known as PT TnU1kw69G-I-00272-00090785-00091049 428 which became the rapier TnU1kw69G-I-00273-00091050-00091390 surface-to-air missile the controversial TnU1kw69G-I-00274-00091391-00091703 1966 defense white paper led to the TnU1kw69G-I-00275-00091704-00091916 resignation of Zuckerman and then TnU1kw69G-I-00276-00091917-00092279 Cottrell Cooke then served as the chief TnU1kw69G-I-00277-00092280-00092561 scientific adviser to the Ministry of TnU1kw69G-I-00278-00092562-00093059 Defence from 1966 until 1970 when he TnU1kw69G-I-00279-00093060-00093329 retired from the civil service although TnU1kw69G-I-00280-00093330-00093566 he chaired nuclear safety committees TnU1kw69G-I-00281-00093567-00094007 until 1981 he was involved in several TnU1kw69G-I-00282-00094008-00094484 projects including the SE P EC 80 Jaguar TnU1kw69G-I-00283-00094485-00094787 the mallard communication system and the TnU1kw69G-I-00284-00094788-00095339 FH 70 howitzer in 1967 the Prime TnU1kw69G-I-00285-00095340-00095627 Minister Harold Wilson sent Cooke to TnU1kw69G-I-00286-00095628-00095885 brief the French military attache in TnU1kw69G-I-00287-00095886-00096197 London Colonel Andre Toulouse on the TnU1kw69G-I-00288-00096198-00096581 British hydrogen bomb project the French TnU1kw69G-I-00289-00096582-00096890 hydrogen bomb project was stalled and TnU1kw69G-I-00290-00096891-00097121 Wilson hoped that providing some TnU1kw69G-I-00291-00097122-00097385 assistance might influence the president TnU1kw69G-I-00292-00097386-00097670 of France Charles de Gaulle to approve TnU1kw69G-I-00293-00097671-00097925 the accession of the United Kingdom to TnU1kw69G-I-00294-00097926-00098255 the European communities he gave the TnU1kw69G-I-00295-00098256-00098510 French indications of paths that would TnU1kw69G-I-00296-00098511-00098744 not work and suggested that their TnU1kw69G-I-00297-00098745-00098894 proposed design with TnU1kw69G-I-00298-00098895-00099287 to complex this proved to be sufficient TnU1kw69G-I-00299-00099288-00099506 to set the French scientists on the TnU1kw69G-I-00300-00099507-00099757 right track and France successfully TnU1kw69G-I-00301-00099758-00100087 tested a hydrogen bomb on the 24th of TnU1kw69G-I-00302-00100088-00100344 August 1968 TnU1kw69G-I-00303-00100345-00100651 despite this de Gaulle still vetoed TnU1kw69G-I-00304-00100652-00100961 Britain's membership of the EEC a second TnU1kw69G-I-00305-00100962-00101350 time for his services Cook was raised to TnU1kw69G-I-00306-00101351-00101549 a knight commander of the Order of the TnU1kw69G-I-00307-00101550-00102066 bath in the 1970 Birthday Honours TnU1kw69G-I-00308-00102067-00102430 you TnU1kw69G-I-00309-00102431-00103007 topic later life TnU1kw69G-I-00310-00103008-00103439 after Rolls Royce went bankrupt in 1970 TnU1kw69G-I-00311-00103440-00103764 the Secretary of State for Defence Lord TnU1kw69G-I-00312-00103765-00104001 Carrington asked cook to chair a TnU1kw69G-I-00313-00104002-00104214 committee to determine whether the TnU1kw69G-I-00314-00104215-00104594 development of the rb211 jet engine TnU1kw69G-I-00315-00104595-00104936 should be continued he recommended that TnU1kw69G-I-00316-00104938-00105219 it should be when Rolls Royce was TnU1kw69G-I-00317-00105220-00105608 nationalized in 1971 he was appointed TnU1kw69G-I-00318-00105609-00105959 one of the company's directors he TnU1kw69G-I-00319-00105960-00106356 retired as a director in 1976 but TnU1kw69G-I-00320-00106357-00106610 continued to assist the company for four 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another half U11eua0krLA-00004-00001379-00001726 century Deputy p.m Novak says the world U11eua0krLA-00005-00001727-00001925 will still be dependent on petroleum U11eua0krLA-00006-00001926-00002147 coal and natural gas for at least five U11eua0krLA-00007-00002148-00002368 more decades despite the transition to U11eua0krLA-00008-00002369-00002567 alternative energy sources Russian U11eua0krLA-00009-00002568-00002800 Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak U11eua0krLA-00010-00002801-00003010 said on Friday during his speech at a U11eua0krLA-00011-00003011-00003166 forum on the subject U11eua0krLA-00012-00003167-00003401 talking about hydrocarbons in our U11eua0krLA-00013-00003402-00003586 opinion and this probably our oil U11eua0krLA-00014-00003588-00003863 companies will confirm I think that for U11eua0krLA-00015-00003864-00004036 more than 50 years they will hold a U11eua0krLA-00016-00004037-00004229 dominant position in the energy balance U11eua0krLA-00017-00004230-00004391 and then it will be possible to see U11eua0krLA-00018-00004392-00004672 Novak said as quoted by Tas U11eua0krLA-00019-00004673-00004883 he noted that Cole has retained a U11eua0krLA-00020-00004884-00005056 significant share in the global energy U11eua0krLA-00021-00005057-00005291 balance even after the emergence of new U11eua0krLA-00022-00005292-00005435 energy sources U11eua0krLA-00023-00005436-00005681 the same coal the share of which was 90 U11eua0krLA-00024-00005682-00005933 in the energy balance at the end of the U11eua0krLA-00025-00005934-00006154 19th century has not gone anywhere today U11eua0krLA-00026-00006155-00006443 despite the fact that oil gas Sun wind U11eua0krLA-00027-00006444-00006767 hydrogen have appeared Novak indicated U11eua0krLA-00028-00006768-00007073 that coal currently comprises 25 of the U11eua0krLA-00029-00007073-00007289 global energy balance while oil stands U11eua0krLA-00030-00007290-00007625 at about 26 and gas 28 percent U11eua0krLA-00031-00007626-00007828 maybe when the sun and wind take their U11eua0krLA-00032-00007829-00008063 share on a larger scale say a third of U11eua0krLA-00033-00008064-00008260 the energy balance it will still require U11eua0krLA-00034-00008261-00008627 15 or 20 of each type of hydrocarbons U11eua0krLA-00035-00008628-00008789 they won't disappear U11eua0krLA-00036-00008790-00009017 according to Novak he hasn't seen a U11eua0krLA-00037-00009018-00009191 single forecast neither from the U11eua0krLA-00038-00009192-00009389 International Energy agency or from U11eua0krLA-00039-00009390-00009551 leading scientists where the energy U11eua0krLA-00040-00009552-00009760 balance of the future would consist only U11eua0krLA-00041-00009761-00009964 of clean energy sources U11eua0krLA-00042-00009965-00010205 at the same time the energy transition U11eua0krLA-00043-00010206-00010403 itself will continue despite the current U11eua0krLA-00044-00010404-00010606 slowdown he anticipated U11eua0krLA-00045-00010607-00010817 obviously there is a trend that the U11eua0krLA-00046-00010818-00010996 energy balance will change and we can't U11eua0krLA-00047-00010997-00011146 get away from this U11eua0krLA-00048-00011147-00011381 yes it can be slower this year this U11eua0krLA-00049-00011382-00011596 energy transition has slowed down due to U11eua0krLA-00050-00011597-00011795 a shortage of energy resources on the U11eua0krLA-00051-00011796-00011987 market for various reasons U11eua0krLA-00052-00011988-00012245 anyway it will be faster or slower it U11eua0krLA-00053-00012246-00012401 will depend on the development of U11eua0krLA-00054-00012402-00012623 Science and Technology the deputy PM U11eua0krLA-00055-00012624-00012889 explained U3Th_fepQg4-00000-00000624-00000815 [Music] U3Th_fepQg4-00001-00000816-00000854 hi U3Th_fepQg4-00002-00000855-00001143 i'm gage and i eat a lot of beans U3Th_fepQg4-00003-00001144-00001343 welcome to my youtube channel now i know U3Th_fepQg4-00004-00001344-00001527 what you guys are saying this video is U3Th_fepQg4-00005-00001528-00001687 four years late well let me tell you U3Th_fepQg4-00006-00001688-00001926 what i was doing during these four years U3Th_fepQg4-00007-00001927-00002191 finally preparing my channel trailer U3Th_fepQg4-00008-00002192-00002287 alright guys U3Th_fepQg4-00009-00002288-00002550 so today i will be doing my top five U3Th_fepQg4-00010-00002551-00002679 favorite beans U3Th_fepQg4-00011-00002680-00002950 number five dark red kidney beans i feel U3Th_fepQg4-00012-00002951-00003126 like these taste pretty earthy U3Th_fepQg4-00013-00003127-00003390 and they taste good in some chili number U3Th_fepQg4-00014-00003392-00003470 four U3Th_fepQg4-00015-00003471-00003783 lima beans code name ligma beans these U3Th_fepQg4-00016-00003784-00003822 things U3Th_fepQg4-00017-00003823-00004038 literally taste like marshmallows after U3Th_fepQg4-00018-00004039-00004222 you cook them they don't even taste like U3Th_fepQg4-00019-00004223-00004295 a bean U3Th_fepQg4-00020-00004296-00004567 number three peas now not a lot of U3Th_fepQg4-00021-00004568-00004711 people know this but p U3Th_fepQg4-00022-00004712-00004935 is a type of lentil and a lentil is what U3Th_fepQg4-00023-00004936-00005095 you call a bean so peas U3Th_fepQg4-00024-00005096-00005302 are beans they taste really good number U3Th_fepQg4-00025-00005303-00005535 two U3Th_fepQg4-00026-00005536-00005791 refried beans now refried beans are U3Th_fepQg4-00027-00005792-00005967 really just mashed potato U3Th_fepQg4-00028-00005968-00006175 pinto beans now before we get to our U3Th_fepQg4-00029-00006176-00006351 number one spot i would like to do an U3Th_fepQg4-00030-00006352-00006454 honorable mention U3Th_fepQg4-00031-00006455-00006791 to 16 bean soup this is basically 16 U3Th_fepQg4-00032-00006792-00006895 different beans U3Th_fepQg4-00033-00006895-00007151 in one so this is why it's an honorable U3Th_fepQg4-00034-00007152-00007359 mention because this is a top five but U3Th_fepQg4-00035-00007359-00007414 16 U3Th_fepQg4-00036-00007415-00007663 beans in one soup whoever thought of U3Th_fepQg4-00037-00007664-00007791 that is a genius U3Th_fepQg4-00038-00007792-00008055 finally number one black beans you U3Th_fepQg4-00039-00008056-00008310 cannot go wrong with black beans U3Th_fepQg4-00040-00008311-00008519 put it in a suit just heat it up in the U3Th_fepQg4-00041-00008520-00008767 can that it came in over a campfire or U3Th_fepQg4-00042-00008768-00008983 just eat it raw out of the can there are U3Th_fepQg4-00043-00008984-00009135 so many things you can do with it you U3Th_fepQg4-00044-00009136-00009359 can even make it into refried beans U3Th_fepQg4-00045-00009360-00009559 that's why refried beans wasn't on U3Th_fepQg4-00046-00009560-00009695 number one and with U3Th_fepQg4-00047-00009696-00009971 each can of black beans clocking in at U3Th_fepQg4-00048-00009972-00010174 420 calories which is U3Th_fepQg4-00049-00010175-00010463 epic 28 grams of protein three and a U3Th_fepQg4-00050-00010464-00010606 half servings that is U3Th_fepQg4-00051-00010607-00010878 awesome and fun fact i ate a can of U3Th_fepQg4-00052-00010879-00011167 black beans every day throughout 2019 U3Th_fepQg4-00053-00011168-00011431 and 2020. that's dedication thank you so U3Th_fepQg4-00054-00011432-00011599 much for checking out the channel now U3Th_fepQg4-00055-00011600-00011767 what most youtubers would do U3Th_fepQg4-00056-00011768-00011942 in their channel trailer and see what U3Th_fepQg4-00057-00011943-00012119 kind of content they make but U3Th_fepQg4-00058-00012120-00012335 the content's always evolving so it U3Th_fepQg4-00059-00012336-00012503 wouldn't make sense to say what kind of U3Th_fepQg4-00060-00012504-00012678 content i'm making now when i won't U3Th_fepQg4-00061-00012679-00012886 always be making that type of content U3Th_fepQg4-00062-00012887-00013143 guys all i gotta say content style is U3Th_fepQg4-00063-00013144-00013536 temporary and beans are forever U7KJyN8dsnA-00000-00000079-00000455 in 1993 cern announces that world wide U7KJyN8dsnA-00001-00000456-00000726 web protocols will remain free U7KJyN8dsnA-00002-00000727-00000919 by offering the software required to U7KJyN8dsnA-00003-00000919-00001119 operate a web server with an open U7KJyN8dsnA-00004-00001120-00001358 license the european organization U7KJyN8dsnA-00005-00001359-00001751 ensured its dissemination and the www U7KJyN8dsnA-00006-00001752-00001895 flourished U7KJyN8dsnA-00007-00001896-00002207 in 1993 tennis ace monica celeste is U7KJyN8dsnA-00008-00002208-00002431 stabbed by an obsessed fan although the U7KJyN8dsnA-00009-00002432-00002679 staff won't prove to be relatively U7KJyN8dsnA-00010-00002680-00002950 harmless the psychological ramifications U7KJyN8dsnA-00011-00002951-00003191 meant that sailors did not play any U7KJyN8dsnA-00012-00003192-00003486 tournaments for over two years in 1975 U7KJyN8dsnA-00013-00003488-00003679 the fall of saigon marks the end of the U7KJyN8dsnA-00014-00003679-00003951 vietnam war as communist forces gained U7KJyN8dsnA-00015-00003952-00004191 control of saigon south vietnamese U7KJyN8dsnA-00016-00004192-00004447 president dwang van min who had only U7KJyN8dsnA-00017-00004448-00004670 been in office for two days surrendered U7KJyN8dsnA-00018-00004671-00004902 unconditionally in 1916 germany and its U7KJyN8dsnA-00019-00004903-00005102 world war one allies became the first U7KJyN8dsnA-00020-00005103-00005327 countries to use daylight saving time U7KJyN8dsnA-00021-00005328-00005470 dst U7KJyN8dsnA-00022-00005471-00005735 the rationale was to save energy to aid U7KJyN8dsnA-00023-00005736-00005895 the war effort U7KJyN8dsnA-00024-00005896-00006063 other european countries such as the U7KJyN8dsnA-00025-00006064-00006318 united kingdom first introduced dst U7KJyN8dsnA-00026-00006319-00006583 later that year in 1789 george U7KJyN8dsnA-00027-00006584-00006751 washington becomes the first u.s U7KJyN8dsnA-00028-00006752-00006855 president U7KJyN8dsnA-00029-00006856-00007087 washington took the oath of office on U7KJyN8dsnA-00030-00007088-00007295 the balcony of federal hall in new york U7KJyN8dsnA-00031-00007295-00007510 city in the united states he is U7KJyN8dsnA-00032-00007511-00007710 venerated as one of the country's U7KJyN8dsnA-00033-00007711-00007883 founding fathers U7KJyN8dsnA-00034-00007884-00008284 [Music] Us3gn6rrWtY-00000-00000152-00000472 and a cola on the cabinet secretary Us3gn6rrWtY-00001-00000473-00000712 Thank You presiding officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00002-00000713-00000956 presiding officer I welcome the audit Us3gn6rrWtY-00003-00000957-00001154 Scotland's recommendations that were set Us3gn6rrWtY-00004-00001155-00001420 out in their recent annual overview of Us3gn6rrWtY-00005-00001421-00001723 the NHS indeed we've already been taking Us3gn6rrWtY-00006-00001725-00001984 decisive action to deliver them they Us3gn6rrWtY-00007-00001985-00002174 highlight the challenges faced by our Us3gn6rrWtY-00008-00002175-00002420 health service similar to challenges Us3gn6rrWtY-00009-00002421-00002650 being faced by health services across Us3gn6rrWtY-00010-00002651-00003010 the UK and beyond importantly the report Us3gn6rrWtY-00011-00003011-00003166 acknowledges that our committees Us3gn6rrWtY-00012-00003167-00003374 workforce has continued to deliver Us3gn6rrWtY-00013-00003375-00003617 high-quality care and I pay tribute Us3gn6rrWtY-00014-00003618-00003836 today to all of our health and social Us3gn6rrWtY-00015-00003836-00004025 care staff who deliver outstanding Us3gn6rrWtY-00016-00004026-00004391 services day in and day out as the Us3gn6rrWtY-00017-00004392-00004604 Auditor General recognized last week Us3gn6rrWtY-00018-00004605-00004847 demands on the service from Scotland's Us3gn6rrWtY-00019-00004848-00005206 aging population are growing since 2013 Us3gn6rrWtY-00020-00005207-00005504 for example we have seen 13% more cancer Us3gn6rrWtY-00021-00005505-00005726 patients receiving treatment under the Us3gn6rrWtY-00022-00005727-00006061 62-day referral standard an increase of Us3gn6rrWtY-00023-00006062-00006617 26% in CT scans an increase in 34% in Us3gn6rrWtY-00024-00006618-00007003 MRI scans and an increase of over 15% in Us3gn6rrWtY-00025-00007004-00007373 comes patients a small snapshot of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00026-00007373-00007585 additional demand our health service is Us3gn6rrWtY-00027-00007586-00007885 coping with in addition to demographic Us3gn6rrWtY-00028-00007886-00008108 change we also face price pressures and Us3gn6rrWtY-00029-00008109-00008420 rising expectations but as the First Us3gn6rrWtY-00030-00008421-00008687 Minister said last week the task for us Us3gn6rrWtY-00031-00008688-00008956 is not just to describe the challenge it Us3gn6rrWtY-00032-00008957-00009170 is to put the solutions in place and Us3gn6rrWtY-00033-00009171-00009367 that is exactly what the Scottish Us3gn6rrWtY-00034-00009368-00009620 Government is doing on the fourth of Us3gn6rrWtY-00035-00009621-00009830 October I published the medium-term Us3gn6rrWtY-00036-00009831-00010037 Health and Social Care financial Us3gn6rrWtY-00037-00010038-00010285 framework to give more detail on how the Us3gn6rrWtY-00038-00010286-00010549 potential approach required to deliver a Us3gn6rrWtY-00039-00010550-00010769 financially balanced and sustainable Us3gn6rrWtY-00040-00010770-00011038 health and social care system now and Us3gn6rrWtY-00041-00011039-00011123 for the years ahead Us3gn6rrWtY-00042-00011124-00011388 last week I published our waiting times Us3gn6rrWtY-00043-00011389-00011692 improvement plan this will see more than Us3gn6rrWtY-00044-00011693-00012013 850 million pounds of investment through Us3gn6rrWtY-00045-00012014-00012302 phased focused and decisive action to Us3gn6rrWtY-00046-00012303-00012527 secure substantial unsustainable Us3gn6rrWtY-00047-00012528-00012838 improvements to performance solutions Us3gn6rrWtY-00048-00012839-00013033 will be different in different areas of Us3gn6rrWtY-00049-00013034-00013258 the country and in different specialties Us3gn6rrWtY-00050-00013259-00013341 but Us3gn6rrWtY-00051-00013343-00013563 derive for improvement is national in Us3gn6rrWtY-00052-00013565-00013825 scope requiring a focused intense Us3gn6rrWtY-00053-00013826-00014110 program of work the accelerates action Us3gn6rrWtY-00054-00014111-00014419 that is already underway from my Us3gn6rrWtY-00055-00014419-00014594 statement of the fourth of October Us3gn6rrWtY-00056-00014595-00014869 members will be aware of my commitment Us3gn6rrWtY-00057-00014869-00015049 to facilitate a new planning and Us3gn6rrWtY-00058-00015050-00015355 performance cycle for all NHS boards or Us3gn6rrWtY-00059-00015356-00015625 it Scotland have recommended that this Us3gn6rrWtY-00060-00015626-00015909 is supported by a robust and transparent Us3gn6rrWtY-00061-00015910-00016161 financial management system and that is Us3gn6rrWtY-00062-00016162-00016396 exactly what we intend and further Us3gn6rrWtY-00063-00016397-00016608 detail on the new approach will be Us3gn6rrWtY-00064-00016609-00016950 provided as part of the 2019 20 budget Us3gn6rrWtY-00065-00016951-00017242 the new arrangements will require boards Us3gn6rrWtY-00066-00017243-00017484 to deliver a break-even position over a Us3gn6rrWtY-00067-00017485-00017746 three-year period rather than annually Us3gn6rrWtY-00068-00017747-00018000 as is the case currently in each year Us3gn6rrWtY-00069-00018001-00018247 boys will have one percent flexibility Us3gn6rrWtY-00070-00018248-00018600 on the annual resource budget to allow Us3gn6rrWtY-00071-00018601-00018831 them scope to marginally under spend or Us3gn6rrWtY-00072-00018832-00018912 overspend Us3gn6rrWtY-00073-00018913-00019236 in that year presiding officer audit Us3gn6rrWtY-00074-00019237-00019444 Scotland recognized in the report that Us3gn6rrWtY-00075-00019445-00019683 there was a range of work underway to Us3gn6rrWtY-00076-00019684-00019855 strengthen governance arrangements Us3gn6rrWtY-00077-00019856-00020146 including piloting a standardized review Us3gn6rrWtY-00078-00020147-00020353 of corporate governance across all Us3gn6rrWtY-00079-00020354-00020643 boards the review of NHS corporate Us3gn6rrWtY-00080-00020644-00020836 governance carried out by John Brown and Us3gn6rrWtY-00081-00020837-00021124 Susan Walsh will enable us to pursue the Us3gn6rrWtY-00082-00021125-00021339 adoption of good practice across all Us3gn6rrWtY-00083-00021340-00021661 boards and yesterday I met our NHS board Us3gn6rrWtY-00084-00021662-00021903 chairs and tasked them with implementing Us3gn6rrWtY-00085-00021904-00022153 those recommendations by the end of this Us3gn6rrWtY-00086-00022154-00022474 financial year our review of progress Us3gn6rrWtY-00087-00022475-00022719 with integration will report in the new Us3gn6rrWtY-00088-00022720-00022939 year and will consider areas where Us3gn6rrWtY-00089-00022940-00023190 integration is working well along with Us3gn6rrWtY-00090-00023191-00023364 any where governance and accountability Us3gn6rrWtY-00091-00023365-00023736 can be improved we are also committed to Us3gn6rrWtY-00092-00023737-00023937 ensuring that all non-executive members Us3gn6rrWtY-00093-00023938-00024196 of boards have the necessary training Us3gn6rrWtY-00094-00024197-00024480 skills and expertise to fulfill their Us3gn6rrWtY-00095-00024481-00024759 roles effectively in terms of addressing Us3gn6rrWtY-00096-00024760-00025059 leadership positions project lift is a Us3gn6rrWtY-00097-00025060-00025296 new approach to recruit retain develop Us3gn6rrWtY-00098-00025297-00025630 and manage talent within the NHS in Us3gn6rrWtY-00099-00025631-00025902 Scotland to ensure the very best and Us3gn6rrWtY-00100-00025903-00026220 most able leaders reach boardrooms in Us3gn6rrWtY-00101-00026220-00026506 terms of capital investment audit Us3gn6rrWtY-00102-00026507-00026683 Scotland's report reckon Us3gn6rrWtY-00103-00026683-00026908 the development of a national capital Us3gn6rrWtY-00104-00026908-00027286 investment strategy I agree and members Us3gn6rrWtY-00105-00027287-00027499 will again be aware from my statement on Us3gn6rrWtY-00106-00027500-00027720 the fourth of October of my commitment Us3gn6rrWtY-00107-00027722-00027976 to bring a capital investment strategy Us3gn6rrWtY-00108-00027977-00028137 to Parliament by the end of this Us3gn6rrWtY-00109-00028138-00028423 financial year this new strategy will Us3gn6rrWtY-00110-00028424-00028695 create a framework considering necessary Us3gn6rrWtY-00111-00028697-00028948 investment over the longer term and will Us3gn6rrWtY-00112-00028949-00029145 accompany the medium-term Health and Us3gn6rrWtY-00113-00029147-00029377 Social Care financial framework to Us3gn6rrWtY-00114-00029377-00029623 create an integrated overview of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00115-00029624-00029851 funding needed across Scotland's Health Us3gn6rrWtY-00116-00029852-00029974 and Care System Us3gn6rrWtY-00117-00029975-00030237 this will include important investment Us3gn6rrWtY-00118-00030238-00030481 in primary and community care projects Us3gn6rrWtY-00119-00030482-00030712 which will be key and delivering the Us3gn6rrWtY-00120-00030713-00030892 emergent Health and Social Care Us3gn6rrWtY-00121-00030893-00031150 integration agenda and shifting the Us3gn6rrWtY-00122-00031151-00031437 balance of care from hospitals to local Us3gn6rrWtY-00123-00031438-00031792 facilities and people's homes audit Us3gn6rrWtY-00124-00031793-00032050 Scotland recommended that a clear Us3gn6rrWtY-00125-00032051-00032258 understanding of demand and capacity Us3gn6rrWtY-00126-00032260-00032614 should inform Workforce Planning again I Us3gn6rrWtY-00127-00032614-00032865 agree with them our fully integrated Us3gn6rrWtY-00128-00032866-00033058 health and social care workforce plan Us3gn6rrWtY-00129-00033059-00033265 that we were published by the end of Us3gn6rrWtY-00130-00033266-00033526 this year will encourage all health and Us3gn6rrWtY-00131-00033527-00033733 social care providers to adopt a Us3gn6rrWtY-00132-00033734-00033892 comprehensive approach to Workforce Us3gn6rrWtY-00133-00033893-00034129 Planning in order to ensure that Us3gn6rrWtY-00134-00034130-00034365 workforce resources are deployed as Us3gn6rrWtY-00135-00034366-00034575 efficiently as possible Us3gn6rrWtY-00136-00034576-00034833 lastly I welcome audit Scotland's Us3gn6rrWtY-00137-00034834-00035071 recommendation about publishing clear Us3gn6rrWtY-00138-00035072-00035305 and easy to understand information on Us3gn6rrWtY-00139-00035306-00035529 how the health funding system works Us3gn6rrWtY-00140-00035530-00035800 including information about levels of Us3gn6rrWtY-00141-00035801-00036064 spending the Parliament knows that we Us3gn6rrWtY-00142-00036065-00036220 are committed to ensuring transparency Us3gn6rrWtY-00143-00036221-00036483 on health funding and that we have Us3gn6rrWtY-00144-00036484-00036718 recently introduced regular reporting of Us3gn6rrWtY-00145-00036719-00037054 the financial position of NHS NHS boards Us3gn6rrWtY-00146-00037055-00037324 and integration authorities this is Us3gn6rrWtY-00147-00037325-00037546 essential in providing the clarity Us3gn6rrWtY-00148-00037547-00037756 necessary for the important discussion Us3gn6rrWtY-00149-00037757-00037957 that we will need to have about the Us3gn6rrWtY-00150-00037958-00038236 future shape of our NHS and social care Us3gn6rrWtY-00151-00038237-00038629 services presiding officer our financial Us3gn6rrWtY-00152-00038630-00038871 framework was predicated on what I Us3gn6rrWtY-00153-00038872-00039223 described in an earlier statement as the Us3gn6rrWtY-00154-00039224-00039445 perhaps bold assumption that the UK Us3gn6rrWtY-00155-00039446-00039621 government will honor its commitment Us3gn6rrWtY-00156-00039622-00039889 delivering the consequentials as a true Us3gn6rrWtY-00157-00039890-00040005 net Us3gn6rrWtY-00158-00040006-00040257 I regret to tell the Parliament that the Us3gn6rrWtY-00159-00040258-00040461 UK government has failed to keep that Us3gn6rrWtY-00160-00040462-00040742 commitment I'm very disappointed that Us3gn6rrWtY-00161-00040743-00041015 yesterday's UK autumn budget confirmed Us3gn6rrWtY-00162-00041016-00041223 that the UK government would shortchange Us3gn6rrWtY-00163-00041224-00041577 Scotland's NHS by a total of 54 point Us3gn6rrWtY-00164-00041578-00041817 five million pounds next year and by Us3gn6rrWtY-00165-00041818-00042152 over 270 million pounds over the period Us3gn6rrWtY-00166-00042153-00042608 to 2023 24 that the UK government has Us3gn6rrWtY-00167-00042609-00042824 shot changed our health service by fifty Us3gn6rrWtY-00168-00042825-00043098 four and a half million pounds compared Us3gn6rrWtY-00169-00043099-00043320 to their claimed level of consequentials Us3gn6rrWtY-00170-00043321-00043635 in this summer is an insult to our NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00171-00043636-00043874 and the people who depend on it in Us3gn6rrWtY-00172-00043875-00044151 addition the UK government have not set Us3gn6rrWtY-00173-00044152-00044382 out the consequential funding that will Us3gn6rrWtY-00174-00044383-00044643 be delivered beyond next year leaving Us3gn6rrWtY-00175-00044644-00044924 open the possibility of the NHS funding Us3gn6rrWtY-00176-00044925-00045233 commitment being further eroded not Us3gn6rrWtY-00177-00045234-00045474 least as the Chancellor has more than Us3gn6rrWtY-00178-00045475-00045732 hinted at the potential of a totally Us3gn6rrWtY-00179-00045733-00045942 revised budget from the UK government as Us3gn6rrWtY-00180-00045943-00046193 a result of them crashing us out of Us3gn6rrWtY-00181-00046194-00046405 Europe with an audio brexit Us3gn6rrWtY-00182-00046406-00046721 notwithstanding this disappointing but Us3gn6rrWtY-00183-00046722-00046964 regrettably not surprising step by the Us3gn6rrWtY-00184-00046965-00047061 UK government Us3gn6rrWtY-00185-00047062-00047240 the Scottish Government remains Us3gn6rrWtY-00186-00047241-00047493 committed to channel every penny of Us3gn6rrWtY-00187-00047494-00047720 Health consequentials into Scotland's Us3gn6rrWtY-00188-00047721-00047939 health service and I can assure members Us3gn6rrWtY-00189-00047940-00048230 today that despite the actions of the UK Us3gn6rrWtY-00190-00048231-00048458 government we remain committed to our Us3gn6rrWtY-00191-00048459-00048651 programme for government promises and Us3gn6rrWtY-00192-00048652-00048861 our recently announced waiting times Us3gn6rrWtY-00193-00048862-00048968 plan Us3gn6rrWtY-00194-00048969-00049245 returning to the audit Scotland overview Us3gn6rrWtY-00195-00049246-00049514 report it is understandable that due to Us3gn6rrWtY-00196-00049515-00049776 the timing of the report audit Scotland Us3gn6rrWtY-00197-00049777-00050030 were not able to fully and reflect that Us3gn6rrWtY-00198-00050031-00050211 the framework sets out additional Us3gn6rrWtY-00199-00050212-00050507 funding for the health portfolio of 3.3 Us3gn6rrWtY-00200-00050508-00050993 billion pounds by 2023 24 this expected Us3gn6rrWtY-00201-00050994-00051204 increase would mean an annual growth for Us3gn6rrWtY-00202-00051204-00051494 the health portfolio of 2.9 percent in Us3gn6rrWtY-00203-00051495-00051740 real terms and as audit Scotland's Us3gn6rrWtY-00204-00051741-00051989 report says the Fraser of Allender Us3gn6rrWtY-00205-00051990-00052217 Institute predict predicts that the Us3gn6rrWtY-00206-00052219-00052473 health resource budget is likely to have Us3gn6rrWtY-00207-00052474-00052757 to increase by around 2% per year to Us3gn6rrWtY-00208-00052758-00053028 stand still this is a vitally important Us3gn6rrWtY-00209-00053029-00053235 point about funding and sustainability Us3gn6rrWtY-00210-00053236-00053328 which Us3gn6rrWtY-00211-00053329-00053571 is not again understandably but is not Us3gn6rrWtY-00212-00053572-00053804 reflected by audit Scotland in their Us3gn6rrWtY-00213-00053805-00054176 report presiding officer in conclusion I Us3gn6rrWtY-00214-00054177-00054387 welcome this annual contribution from Us3gn6rrWtY-00215-00054388-00054585 audit Scotland I accept the Us3gn6rrWtY-00216-00054586-00054849 recommendations in full and as I have Us3gn6rrWtY-00217-00054850-00055086 set out in this statement I am taking Us3gn6rrWtY-00218-00055087-00055325 the steps necessary to ensure that the Us3gn6rrWtY-00219-00055326-00055556 challenges are addressed we have a Us3gn6rrWtY-00220-00055557-00055860 record number of staff record funding in Us3gn6rrWtY-00221-00055861-00056091 excess of 13 billion pounds this year Us3gn6rrWtY-00222-00056091-00056334 and even more investment climbed by the Us3gn6rrWtY-00223-00056335-00056456 Scottish Government Us3gn6rrWtY-00224-00056457-00056726 although essential this will not be Us3gn6rrWtY-00225-00056727-00056963 enough and we must continue to follow Us3gn6rrWtY-00226-00056964-00057206 our twin approach of investment and Us3gn6rrWtY-00227-00057207-00057488 reform I now look forward to working Us3gn6rrWtY-00228-00057489-00057692 together across this chamber in a Us3gn6rrWtY-00229-00057694-00057938 responsible and mature manner to deliver Us3gn6rrWtY-00230-00057939-00058179 this and to ensure a balanced and Us3gn6rrWtY-00231-00058179-00058391 sustainable health and social care Us3gn6rrWtY-00232-00058392-00058635 system for the years ahead and I commend Us3gn6rrWtY-00233-00058636-00059294 the statement thank you very much we Us3gn6rrWtY-00234-00059295-00059466 move now to questions starting with a Us3gn6rrWtY-00235-00059466-00059661 brine results before by monocle in a Us3gn6rrWtY-00236-00059662-00059823 Thank You presiding officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00237-00059824-00060021 and can I thank the cabinet secretary to Us3gn6rrWtY-00238-00060022-00060366 advance notice of a statement training Us3gn6rrWtY-00239-00060366-00060585 officer another week another ministerial Us3gn6rrWtY-00240-00060586-00060779 statement on health and perhaps the Us3gn6rrWtY-00241-00060780-00060897 cabinet secretary and the Scottish Us3gn6rrWtY-00242-00060898-00061055 Government are waking up to the fact Us3gn6rrWtY-00243-00061056-00061319 that I've been feeling the NHS over that Us3gn6rrWtY-00244-00061320-00061578 11 year tenure the Scottish Government Us3gn6rrWtY-00245-00061579-00061730 had been paying attention to the day job Us3gn6rrWtY-00246-00061731-00061913 the cabinet Secretary's statement that Us3gn6rrWtY-00247-00061914-00062126 we have an aging population would hardly Us3gn6rrWtY-00248-00062127-00062391 have come as a surprise yet we have a Us3gn6rrWtY-00249-00062391-00062681 shortfall in the GPS of some 850 across Us3gn6rrWtY-00250-00062682-00062934 Scotland must be the cabinet secretaries Us3gn6rrWtY-00251-00062935-00063222 an extra 410 in places training it takes Us3gn6rrWtY-00252-00063223-00063378 seven years to complete Us3gn6rrWtY-00253-00063379-00063591 my fake cabinet secretary that still Us3gn6rrWtY-00254-00063591-00063812 remains a shortfall horribly prudent Us3gn6rrWtY-00255-00063813-00064031 forced planning and it doesn't even take Us3gn6rrWtY-00256-00064032-00064284 into account any future trends in fact Us3gn6rrWtY-00257-00064285-00064430 is such a high proportion of our nursing Us3gn6rrWtY-00258-00064431-00064712 staff are approaching retirement age was Us3gn6rrWtY-00259-00064713-00064919 hardly difficult to work out and plan Us3gn6rrWtY-00260-00064920-00065201 for yet in 2012 then in health cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00261-00065202-00065366 secretary Nicolas doesn't cut winning Us3gn6rrWtY-00262-00065367-00065593 places on Nazis and midwife's Us3gn6rrWtY-00263-00065594-00065807 short-sighted and we are seeing the Us3gn6rrWtY-00264-00065808-00066078 consequences on the wars today camera Us3gn6rrWtY-00265-00066079-00066212 secretary you see there is a record Us3gn6rrWtY-00266-00066213-00066518 investment in a Scottish NHS what you Us3gn6rrWtY-00267-00066519-00066687 conveniently forgive field Us3gn6rrWtY-00268-00066688-00066984 to mention as a direct result of Barnett Us3gn6rrWtY-00269-00066985-00067212 consequentials and yesterday the Us3gn6rrWtY-00270-00067213-00067398 Scottish government one handed nearly 1 Us3gn6rrWtY-00271-00067399-00067647 billion pounds extra which they can they Us3gn6rrWtY-00272-00067648-00067944 can have complete autonomy to spend as Us3gn6rrWtY-00273-00067945-00068041 they see fit Us3gn6rrWtY-00274-00068042-00068226 we know that the Scottish earnings yes Us3gn6rrWtY-00275-00068227-00068440 well the 214 million pounds extra this Us3gn6rrWtY-00276-00068441-00068622 year whether father seven hundred and Us3gn6rrWtY-00277-00068623-00068856 twenty million pounds this next year so Us3gn6rrWtY-00278-00068857-00068971 can i therefore ask the cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00279-00068972-00069190 secretary following the damning audit Us3gn6rrWtY-00280-00069191-00069351 Scotland report on the state of the NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00281-00069352-00069628 finances which stated after the 11 years Us3gn6rrWtY-00282-00069629-00069876 of SNP government and I quote that Us3gn6rrWtY-00283-00069877-00070072 meeting key targets on a downward spiral Us3gn6rrWtY-00284-00070073-00070278 because its current model is not Us3gn6rrWtY-00285-00070279-00070599 financial snip is it sustainable for the Us3gn6rrWtY-00286-00070600-00070749 she will ensure that this funding boost Us3gn6rrWtY-00287-00070750-00070923 from the UK government will go directly Us3gn6rrWtY-00288-00070924-00071197 to the NHS or will she continue to Us3gn6rrWtY-00289-00071198-00071331 follow the Scottish Government's usual Us3gn6rrWtY-00290-00071332-00071590 pattern of finding a grievance for every Us3gn6rrWtY-00291-00071591-00072009 solution cabinet secretary Thank You Us3gn6rrWtY-00292-00072010-00072105 presiding officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00293-00072106-00072375 and I thank mr. Whittle for his comments Us3gn6rrWtY-00294-00072376-00072588 and questions I'm always happy to come Us3gn6rrWtY-00295-00072589-00072750 to this Parliament presiding officer and Us3gn6rrWtY-00296-00072751-00072942 talk about our health service it is Us3gn6rrWtY-00297-00072943-00073206 indeed a successful service and an Us3gn6rrWtY-00298-00073207-00073365 excellent track record on the part of Us3gn6rrWtY-00299-00073366-00073638 this government I'm disappointed however Us3gn6rrWtY-00300-00073639-00073915 that mr. wittol is surprised that we Us3gn6rrWtY-00301-00073916-00074079 have an aging population we have been Us3gn6rrWtY-00302-00074080-00074298 talking about that for some time and Us3gn6rrWtY-00303-00074299-00074556 have taken the steps I outlined them Us3gn6rrWtY-00304-00074557-00074760 really as a pity people don't listen and Us3gn6rrWtY-00305-00074761-00074947 read and pay attention I have taken Us3gn6rrWtY-00306-00074948-00075253 steps already on the back of this Us3gn6rrWtY-00307-00075254-00075460 government's track record to further Us3gn6rrWtY-00308-00075461-00075687 address the challenges that the aging Us3gn6rrWtY-00309-00075688-00075936 population and other challenges placed Us3gn6rrWtY-00310-00075937-00076155 on this health service and on health Us3gn6rrWtY-00311-00076156-00076437 services across the UK what is different Us3gn6rrWtY-00312-00076438-00076660 is that is this government that has Us3gn6rrWtY-00313-00076661-00076885 plans in place and action already Us3gn6rrWtY-00314-00076886-00077127 underway to address those challenges and Us3gn6rrWtY-00315-00077128-00077502 mr. Whittle we have fed my colleague mr. Us3gn6rrWtY-00316-00077503-00077748 Mack I said I have said we've repeated Us3gn6rrWtY-00317-00077749-00077994 it that every single penny of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00318-00077995-00078204 consequentials for health will be Us3gn6rrWtY-00319-00078205-00078429 invested in health by this government Us3gn6rrWtY-00320-00078430-00078715 but you know that increased investment Us3gn6rrWtY-00321-00078716-00078972 of our health service over the track Us3gn6rrWtY-00322-00078973-00079165 record of this government over many Us3gn6rrWtY-00323-00079166-00079473 years is about political choice mr. Us3gn6rrWtY-00324-00079474-00079719 Whittle it's not thanks to the UK Us3gn6rrWtY-00325-00079720-00079997 government continuing to cut the overall Us3gn6rrWtY-00326-00079998-00080258 budget delivered to this Parliament into Us3gn6rrWtY-00327-00080259-00080435 this government is about the political Us3gn6rrWtY-00328-00080436-00080702 choices that this government makes which Us3gn6rrWtY-00329-00080703-00080933 are so much more in tune with what the Us3gn6rrWtY-00330-00080934-00081146 people of this country needs than a Tory Us3gn6rrWtY-00331-00081147-00081587 government ever will be Monica Lenin to Us3gn6rrWtY-00332-00081588-00081833 be followed by Alan Johnson Otto Us3gn6rrWtY-00333-00081834-00082010 Scotland has delivered a damning report Us3gn6rrWtY-00334-00082011-00082316 on 11 years of SNP mess management's Us3gn6rrWtY-00335-00082317-00082634 over NHS it should shame this government Us3gn6rrWtY-00336-00082635-00083003 under the SNP the future of our NHS is Us3gn6rrWtY-00337-00083004-00083207 not financially sustainable Us3gn6rrWtY-00338-00083208-00083471 the SNP cut the health budget and view Us3gn6rrWtY-00339-00083472-00083735 theorems last year despite rising Us3gn6rrWtY-00340-00083736-00084056 wasting times and rising staff stress Us3gn6rrWtY-00341-00084057-00084311 levels auto Scotland's err cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00342-00084312-00084488 secretary of Finance read the reports Us3gn6rrWtY-00343-00084489-00084860 the serious challenges facing our NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00344-00084861-00085132 requires action not more of the same Us3gn6rrWtY-00345-00085133-00085610 broken promises from this SNP gene Us3gn6rrWtY-00346-00085611-00085820 Freeman's gland plants employers waiting Us3gn6rrWtY-00347-00085821-00086039 times will continue to break the law for Us3gn6rrWtY-00348-00086040-00086221 years to come it hardly inspires Us3gn6rrWtY-00349-00086222-00086495 confidence today statement doesn't Us3gn6rrWtY-00350-00086496-00086771 reveal a plan for the future overt NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00351-00086772-00087008 it's his damage control James Freeman Us3gn6rrWtY-00352-00087009-00087218 herself said last week the heart Peter Us3gn6rrWtY-00353-00087219-00087350 says does not cost arjun and surely Us3gn6rrWtY-00354-00087351-00087500 dobersen failed to keep their promise Us3gn6rrWtY-00355-00087501-00087842 east on the NHS so I have to ask was Us3gn6rrWtY-00356-00087843-00088061 aiding officer why should the people of Us3gn6rrWtY-00357-00088062-00088229 Scotland believe that this cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00358-00088230-00088595 secretary is any deference camera Us3gn6rrWtY-00359-00088596-00088940 signature Thank You presiding officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00360-00088941-00089171 and I'm grateful to miss Lennon for her Us3gn6rrWtY-00361-00089172-00089420 questions can I start by clarifying the Us3gn6rrWtY-00362-00089421-00089624 audit Scotland's did not say that this Us3gn6rrWtY-00363-00089625-00089846 government had cut NHS investment it Us3gn6rrWtY-00364-00089847-00090137 really is important and I'm genuine when Us3gn6rrWtY-00365-00090138-00090383 I have said since the day and over was Us3gn6rrWtY-00366-00090384-00090539 appointed as cabinet secretary for Us3gn6rrWtY-00367-00090540-00090827 health that I look for a mature and Us3gn6rrWtY-00368-00090828-00091058 responsible discussion and the starting Us3gn6rrWtY-00369-00091059-00091277 point for that has to be accuracy in Us3gn6rrWtY-00370-00091278-00091640 what we are saying I am disappointed too Us3gn6rrWtY-00371-00091641-00091952 that the medium-term financial framework Us3gn6rrWtY-00372-00091953-00092291 appears not to have been read it came as Us3gn6rrWtY-00373-00092292-00092525 I made the point as audit Scotland Us3gn6rrWtY-00374-00092526-00092888 itself recognizes after the time the Us3gn6rrWtY-00375-00092889-00093095 audit Scotland could take full account Us3gn6rrWtY-00376-00093096-00093350 of it but that medium-term financial Us3gn6rrWtY-00377-00093351-00093680 teamwork shows clearly the intention to Us3gn6rrWtY-00378-00093681-00094031 invest in the NHS in Scotland beyond the Us3gn6rrWtY-00379-00094032-00094226 anticipated amount from Fraser Laval Us3gn6rrWtY-00380-00094227-00094463 under that is required simply to stand Us3gn6rrWtY-00381-00094464-00094694 still and the medium-term financial Us3gn6rrWtY-00382-00094695-00094982 framework also makes clear that what we Us3gn6rrWtY-00383-00094983-00095276 need is investment and reform we already Us3gn6rrWtY-00384-00095277-00095495 have reforms underway we have Us3gn6rrWtY-00385-00095496-00095729 significant investment underway we have Us3gn6rrWtY-00386-00095730-00095996 undoubtedly challenges and I have been Us3gn6rrWtY-00387-00095997-00096266 very honest in recognising those and Us3gn6rrWtY-00388-00096267-00096413 setting out to deal with them Us3gn6rrWtY-00389-00096414-00096617 the big difference presiding officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00390-00096618-00096866 between those of us who sit on these Us3gn6rrWtY-00391-00096867-00097124 benches and those who say elsewhere in Us3gn6rrWtY-00392-00097125-00097346 this chamber is that we face up to those Us3gn6rrWtY-00393-00097347-00097574 challenges and have a plan in place what Us3gn6rrWtY-00394-00097575-00097856 we do not have our manifesto commitments Us3gn6rrWtY-00395-00097857-00098096 that would cut our budget for the NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00396-00098097-00098345 reduce the number of nurses and our Us3gn6rrWtY-00397-00098346-00098609 current non commitment from the Labour Us3gn6rrWtY-00398-00098610-00098966 Party a UK level not to reverse the tax Us3gn6rrWtY-00399-00098967-00099215 cuts for the rich that the Tories want Us3gn6rrWtY-00400-00099216-00099293 to impose Us3gn6rrWtY-00401-00099294-00099581 so if we're looking to see who will the Us3gn6rrWtY-00402-00099582-00099833 electorate believe I believe that they Us3gn6rrWtY-00403-00099834-00100070 will put their trust in us as they Us3gn6rrWtY-00404-00100071-00100298 currently do as a government that Us3gn6rrWtY-00405-00100299-00100544 delivers because we understand the Us3gn6rrWtY-00406-00100545-00100778 reality of the situation we need to deal Us3gn6rrWtY-00407-00100779-00100973 with and we have the plans in place to Us3gn6rrWtY-00408-00100974-00101180 deal with them not the slogans that we Us3gn6rrWtY-00409-00101181-00101539 get from either side of this chamber Us3gn6rrWtY-00410-00101540-00101774 Alison Johnston's before by William any Us3gn6rrWtY-00411-00101775-00102125 to the increase in agency staff costs Us3gn6rrWtY-00412-00102126-00102317 over the past five years has been Us3gn6rrWtY-00413-00102318-00102641 staggering an unsustainable 38% increase Us3gn6rrWtY-00414-00102642-00102872 with almost a hundred and sixty six Us3gn6rrWtY-00415-00102873-00103064 million pounds spent last year alone Us3gn6rrWtY-00416-00103065-00103364 this isn't a new problem and we can't we Us3gn6rrWtY-00417-00103365-00103688 until 2020 spring 2024 the government's Us3gn6rrWtY-00418-00103689-00103933 framework for recruitment so I'd like to Us3gn6rrWtY-00419-00103934-00104099 understand what the government is doing Us3gn6rrWtY-00420-00104100-00104276 now what does it intend to do in the Us3gn6rrWtY-00421-00104277-00104560 immediate future thank you cameras taken Us3gn6rrWtY-00422-00104561-00104804 Thank You presiding officer and my Us3gn6rrWtY-00423-00104805-00104999 thanks to miss Johnston she is of course Us3gn6rrWtY-00424-00105000-00105266 correct that agency costs take up to Us3gn6rrWtY-00425-00105267-00105455 greater proportion of our budget that is Us3gn6rrWtY-00426-00105456-00105746 why the workforce recruitment exercises Us3gn6rrWtY-00427-00105747-00105953 that we've begun are so important why Us3gn6rrWtY-00428-00105954-00106124 for the sixth successive year we've Us3gn6rrWtY-00429-00106125-00106418 increased the numbers of student nurses Us3gn6rrWtY-00430-00106419-00106676 and midwives in training why we have Us3gn6rrWtY-00431-00106677-00106739 only Us3gn6rrWtY-00432-00106740-00106943 simply announced a significant increase Us3gn6rrWtY-00433-00106944-00107195 to the non means-tested bursaries for Us3gn6rrWtY-00434-00107196-00107516 student nurses and midwives unique here Us3gn6rrWtY-00435-00107517-00107804 in Scotland compared to the NHS in Us3gn6rrWtY-00436-00107805-00108091 England and why we have for example Us3gn6rrWtY-00437-00108092-00108283 undertaken and supported other Us3gn6rrWtY-00438-00108284-00108524 initiatives in terms of noting that Us3gn6rrWtY-00439-00108525-00108784 return to practice which we would intend Us3gn6rrWtY-00440-00108785-00109157 to increase the transfer course in the Us3gn6rrWtY-00441-00109158-00109331 with universities of the Highlands and Us3gn6rrWtY-00442-00109332-00109560 Islands the increase in the number of Us3gn6rrWtY-00443-00109561-00109810 radiographers in training and the new Us3gn6rrWtY-00444-00109811-00110219 Scot Jam course with university of s and Us3gn6rrWtY-00445-00110220-00110483 andrews and in d there is a postgraduate Us3gn6rrWtY-00446-00110483-00110768 course of a shorter duration clinically Us3gn6rrWtY-00447-00110769-00110930 approved and safe but particularly Us3gn6rrWtY-00448-00110931-00111242 focused on GPS in remote and rural areas Us3gn6rrWtY-00449-00111243-00111559 all of those and more are actions that Us3gn6rrWtY-00450-00111560-00111788 we are currently taking in order to Us3gn6rrWtY-00451-00111789-00112040 address the particular pockets of a Us3gn6rrWtY-00452-00112041-00112234 recruitment difficulty that we have in Us3gn6rrWtY-00453-00112235-00112472 our workforce not notwithstanding the Us3gn6rrWtY-00454-00112473-00112718 fact as audit Scotland recognizes that Us3gn6rrWtY-00455-00112719-00112952 the workforce numbers in the NHS of Us3gn6rrWtY-00456-00112953-00113150 Scotland in Scotland are higher than Us3gn6rrWtY-00457-00113151-00113308 they have ever been Us3gn6rrWtY-00458-00113308-00113522 William any to be followed by Willie Us3gn6rrWtY-00459-00113523-00113807 coffee why is it that when it's been two Us3gn6rrWtY-00460-00113808-00114109 weeks since the washed NHS report by Us3gn6rrWtY-00461-00114110-00114353 audit Scotland there is very little you Us3gn6rrWtY-00462-00114354-00114581 in the government response today what Us3gn6rrWtY-00463-00114582-00114775 force planning has been a major Us3gn6rrWtY-00464-00114776-00114980 long-standing weakness for the Us3gn6rrWtY-00465-00114981-00115196 government so why do we have to wait Us3gn6rrWtY-00466-00115197-00115442 still longer before we see this Us3gn6rrWtY-00467-00115443-00115700 workforce plan published camera Us3gn6rrWtY-00468-00115701-00116110 secretary well we've already published Us3gn6rrWtY-00469-00116111-00116327 three workforce plans the workforce plan Us3gn6rrWtY-00470-00116328-00116536 I'm talking about is the one where we Us3gn6rrWtY-00471-00116538-00116785 integrate all of those so that we make Us3gn6rrWtY-00472-00116786-00117008 absolutely certain that we're taking a Us3gn6rrWtY-00473-00117008-00117208 whole system approach so I don't Us3gn6rrWtY-00474-00117209-00117503 understand really why mr. Rainey doesn't Us3gn6rrWtY-00475-00117504-00117872 recognize that we we appreciate the Us3gn6rrWtY-00476-00117873-00118111 Workforce Planning is a critical element Us3gn6rrWtY-00477-00118113-00118384 of what we have to do is one of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00478-00118385-00118625 pillars on which our work carries Us3gn6rrWtY-00479-00118626-00118826 forward medium-term financial framework Us3gn6rrWtY-00480-00118827-00119054 is one the waiting times improvement is Us3gn6rrWtY-00481-00119055-00119258 the other the the fourth is of course Us3gn6rrWtY-00482-00119258-00119485 the move towards integrated health and Us3gn6rrWtY-00483-00119486-00119624 social care and by the end of this Us3gn6rrWtY-00484-00119625-00120026 Parliament over half a billion pounds Us3gn6rrWtY-00485-00120027-00120254 annually will be invested and from Us3gn6rrWtY-00486-00120255-00120599 frontline NHS budget into the integrated Us3gn6rrWtY-00487-00120600-00120873 health and social care so I I would Us3gn6rrWtY-00488-00120874-00121158 never underestimate the challenges we Us3gn6rrWtY-00489-00121158-00121368 face and I would never say that there Us3gn6rrWtY-00490-00121369-00121589 isn't more that we have to do but the Us3gn6rrWtY-00491-00121590-00121802 starting point we have to go all go from Us3gn6rrWtY-00492-00121803-00122060 is an accurate reflection of exactly Us3gn6rrWtY-00493-00122061-00122268 where we are and we already have three Us3gn6rrWtY-00494-00122269-00122622 workforce plans on the stocks there are Us3gn6rrWtY-00495-00122623-00122820 no more question nerves if we get chance Us3gn6rrWtY-00496-00122821-00122885 to get through them all Us3gn6rrWtY-00497-00122886-00123029 Willie coffee'd followed by Edward Us3gn6rrWtY-00498-00123030-00123266 mountain thank you can I ask the cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00499-00123267-00123485 secretary given that the Tory UK Us3gn6rrWtY-00500-00123486-00123708 government has shortchanged the Health Us3gn6rrWtY-00501-00123708-00123933 Service in Scotland by almost 55 million Us3gn6rrWtY-00502-00123933-00124178 pounds next year has the UK government Us3gn6rrWtY-00503-00124179-00124424 given any indication as to when they Us3gn6rrWtY-00504-00124425-00124557 will come from all the health Us3gn6rrWtY-00505-00124558-00124733 consequentials that have previously Us3gn6rrWtY-00506-00124734-00125195 claimed through 20 Us3gn6rrWtY-00507-00125196-00125499 um thank you to mr. Coffey for his Us3gn6rrWtY-00508-00125500-00125724 question no the UK government has not Us3gn6rrWtY-00509-00125725-00126038 confirmed when the rest of those Us3gn6rrWtY-00510-00126039-00126332 consequentials will be announced I Us3gn6rrWtY-00511-00126333-00126633 understand there may be that may happen Us3gn6rrWtY-00512-00126633-00126822 in a spring budget but of course the Us3gn6rrWtY-00513-00126823-00127051 uncertainty around the spring the spring Us3gn6rrWtY-00514-00127052-00127304 statement or budget however the UK Us3gn6rrWtY-00515-00127305-00127596 Chancellor wants to frame it is whether Us3gn6rrWtY-00516-00127597-00127833 or not we are cashing a break say with Us3gn6rrWtY-00517-00127833-00128060 no deal or cashing out of the European Us3gn6rrWtY-00518-00128061-00128264 Union with a deal that none of us Us3gn6rrWtY-00519-00128265-00128615 understand and is totally unclear and at Us3gn6rrWtY-00520-00128616-00128868 the moment a few short months away from Us3gn6rrWtY-00521-00128869-00129179 that that level of uncertainty for our Us3gn6rrWtY-00522-00129180-00129369 health service and particularly for our Us3gn6rrWtY-00523-00129370-00129594 workforce in Health and Social Care is Us3gn6rrWtY-00524-00129595-00129875 of a matter of considerable concern but Us3gn6rrWtY-00525-00129876-00130146 at this point we have no confirmation at Us3gn6rrWtY-00526-00130147-00130548 all on the rest of the consequentials it Us3gn6rrWtY-00527-00130549-00130688 would mountain to be filled by Emma Us3gn6rrWtY-00528-00130689-00130893 Harper Thank You presiding officer and Us3gn6rrWtY-00529-00130894-00131039 I'm pleased the cabinet secretary has Us3gn6rrWtY-00530-00131040-00131261 mentioned governance and leadership to Us3gn6rrWtY-00531-00131262-00131486 areas where your advisers John Brown and Us3gn6rrWtY-00532-00131487-00131706 Susan Walsh have already documented the Us3gn6rrWtY-00533-00131707-00131931 failures of NHS Highland and I've Us3gn6rrWtY-00534-00131932-00132111 welcomed the meetings that you and I Us3gn6rrWtY-00535-00132112-00132338 have had cabinet secretary to discuss Us3gn6rrWtY-00536-00132339-00132524 this so perhaps you could explain to me Us3gn6rrWtY-00537-00132525-00132686 how will the Scottish Government ensure Us3gn6rrWtY-00538-00132687-00132926 that the new chief executive of NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00539-00132927-00133146 Ireland the chair of the board and the Us3gn6rrWtY-00540-00133147-00133362 similar appointments across Scotland Us3gn6rrWtY-00541-00133363-00133611 provide the charismatic and positive Us3gn6rrWtY-00542-00133612-00133848 leadership are excellent doctors and Us3gn6rrWtY-00543-00133849-00134238 nurses deserve Cavanaugh second Thank Us3gn6rrWtY-00544-00134239-00134427 You presiding officer and I'm grateful Us3gn6rrWtY-00545-00134428-00134673 to mr. mountain for his question and Us3gn6rrWtY-00546-00134674-00134879 also for those productive discussions Us3gn6rrWtY-00547-00134880-00135179 that we have so far had on NHS Highland Us3gn6rrWtY-00548-00135180-00135381 and I'm sure we will continue to have Us3gn6rrWtY-00549-00135382-00135708 those and there are two particular ways Us3gn6rrWtY-00550-00135709-00136022 by which we have changed how we Us3gn6rrWtY-00551-00136023-00136290 undertake recruitment not only in terms Us3gn6rrWtY-00552-00136291-00136584 of non-executive members of our health Us3gn6rrWtY-00553-00136585-00136782 boards but also for those key leadership Us3gn6rrWtY-00554-00136783-00137127 positions and that is what is described Us3gn6rrWtY-00555-00137128-00137378 as a value-based recruitment exercise Us3gn6rrWtY-00556-00137379-00137619 which looks to have more than if you Us3gn6rrWtY-00557-00137620-00137828 like more than one dimension of an Us3gn6rrWtY-00558-00137829-00138108 applicant before the decision making Us3gn6rrWtY-00559-00138109-00138372 panel it is an approach that has been Us3gn6rrWtY-00560-00138373-00138702 successfully undertaken in the golden Us3gn6rrWtY-00561-00138703-00139002 time golden jubilee national board over Us3gn6rrWtY-00562-00139003-00139227 many years is being picked up in other Us3gn6rrWtY-00563-00139228-00139550 boards and it ensures that those who Us3gn6rrWtY-00564-00139551-00139875 apply for posts that consideration is Us3gn6rrWtY-00565-00139876-00140106 given not only to their previous Us3gn6rrWtY-00566-00140107-00140364 experience and what they say in their CV Us3gn6rrWtY-00567-00140365-00140523 and how they answer questions and Us3gn6rrWtY-00568-00140524-00140816 interview but also to how they perform Us3gn6rrWtY-00569-00140817-00141135 in other situations so that you have a Us3gn6rrWtY-00570-00141136-00141372 better a more rounded if you like Us3gn6rrWtY-00571-00141373-00141588 perception of the applicant and Us3gn6rrWtY-00572-00141589-00141833 therefore can make more informed choices Us3gn6rrWtY-00573-00141834-00142173 that alongside the governance work that Us3gn6rrWtY-00574-00142174-00142527 as you rightly said John Brown and Susan Us3gn6rrWtY-00575-00142528-00142872 Walsh undertook and my requirement of Us3gn6rrWtY-00576-00142873-00143121 NHS board chairs that they have Us3gn6rrWtY-00577-00143122-00143364 implemented that by the end of this Us3gn6rrWtY-00578-00143365-00143661 financial year together with the series Us3gn6rrWtY-00579-00143662-00143898 of ministerial reviews of boards which Us3gn6rrWtY-00580-00143899-00144261 are about to begin we're all territorial Us3gn6rrWtY-00581-00144262-00144432 boards will have a ministerial review Us3gn6rrWtY-00582-00144433-00144744 where we will look directly at their Us3gn6rrWtY-00583-00144745-00144902 governance issues and that where we Us3gn6rrWtY-00584-00144903-00145103 expect to see them improve at their Us3gn6rrWtY-00585-00145104-00145323 performance and that the challenges they Us3gn6rrWtY-00586-00145324-00145529 may face and how we might further assist Us3gn6rrWtY-00587-00145530-00145754 those all of those taken in the round I Us3gn6rrWtY-00588-00145755-00146034 believe will see us reach the level of Us3gn6rrWtY-00589-00146035-00146334 leadership and that we inquire across Us3gn6rrWtY-00590-00146335-00146470 our NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00591-00146471-00146758 in our chief executives but also in our Us3gn6rrWtY-00592-00146759-00146968 boards who have the critical and vitally Us3gn6rrWtY-00593-00146969-00147139 important role of scrutiny and challenge Us3gn6rrWtY-00594-00147140-00147366 charisma I'm not sure I can promise you Us3gn6rrWtY-00595-00147367-00147574 but I can certainly commit to all those Us3gn6rrWtY-00596-00147575-00147847 others in my Harper to be followed by Us3gn6rrWtY-00597-00147848-00147939 Kezia Dugdale Us3gn6rrWtY-00598-00147940-00148152 presiding officer in a statement the Us3gn6rrWtY-00599-00148153-00148297 cabinet secretary recognized the Us3gn6rrWtY-00600-00148298-00148486 increased demands on the health service Us3gn6rrWtY-00601-00148487-00148716 for example in my South : region we have Us3gn6rrWtY-00602-00148717-00148948 a particularly high aging population Us3gn6rrWtY-00603-00148949-00149131 with increasingly complex health and Us3gn6rrWtY-00604-00149132-00149344 care needs country therefore outline Us3gn6rrWtY-00605-00149345-00149557 what action has been taken to meet the Us3gn6rrWtY-00606-00149558-00149895 demand on these needs nama sankirtan Us3gn6rrWtY-00607-00149896-00150175 thank you I'm grateful to miss Harper Us3gn6rrWtY-00608-00150176-00150664 for her question in terms of the aging Us3gn6rrWtY-00609-00150665-00150961 population there are two things I want Us3gn6rrWtY-00610-00150962-00151144 to say first of all in terms of that Us3gn6rrWtY-00611-00151145-00151450 population as it presents to us then Us3gn6rrWtY-00612-00151451-00151740 obviously that is picked up in terms of Us3gn6rrWtY-00613-00151741-00151936 the additional capacity that the waiting Us3gn6rrWtY-00614-00151937-00152202 times improvement plan with our 850 Us3gn6rrWtY-00615-00152203-00152437 million pound investment brings into the Us3gn6rrWtY-00616-00152438-00152689 servers in the system in order to cope Us3gn6rrWtY-00617-00152690-00152884 with those additional demands in terms Us3gn6rrWtY-00618-00152885-00153090 of particularly elective health care Us3gn6rrWtY-00619-00153091-00153301 needs but also Diagnostics that the Us3gn6rrWtY-00620-00153302-00153552 aging population largely but also others Us3gn6rrWtY-00621-00153553-00153775 bring to our health service but the Us3gn6rrWtY-00622-00153776-00153964 other point I want to make is also in Us3gn6rrWtY-00623-00153965-00154237 terms of our public health program and Us3gn6rrWtY-00624-00154238-00154578 the need that we have to try and do more Us3gn6rrWtY-00625-00154579-00155011 in this field of working with mothers Us3gn6rrWtY-00626-00155012-00155241 before they give birth hence an element Us3gn6rrWtY-00627-00155242-00155443 of the mental health plan that Miss Us3gn6rrWtY-00628-00155444-00155674 hawky is taking forward around perinatal Us3gn6rrWtY-00629-00155675-00156007 mental health our understanding of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00630-00156008-00156327 impact of ACE our work with mothers and Us3gn6rrWtY-00631-00156328-00156591 babies and children our work in schools Us3gn6rrWtY-00632-00156592-00156826 in order to try and ensure that the Us3gn6rrWtY-00633-00156827-00157102 generations coming behind us have more Us3gn6rrWtY-00634-00157103-00157249 healthier lifestyles Us3gn6rrWtY-00635-00157250-00157636 than we currently have and therefore the Us3gn6rrWtY-00636-00157637-00157837 demands will change on our health Us3gn6rrWtY-00637-00157838-00158020 service as we go into the future Us3gn6rrWtY-00638-00158021-00158272 that is part of what we talk about as a Us3gn6rrWtY-00639-00158273-00158490 whole system approach and as part of Us3gn6rrWtY-00640-00158491-00158703 that investment under reform that I Us3gn6rrWtY-00641-00158704-00158816 touched on earlier Us3gn6rrWtY-00642-00158817-00159061 Kezia Dugdale to be followed by George Us3gn6rrWtY-00643-00159062-00159307 Adam thank you audit Scotland reported Us3gn6rrWtY-00644-00159308-00159520 their nHS Lothian missed all eight Us3gn6rrWtY-00645-00159521-00159695 performance targets and Us3gn6rrWtY-00646-00159696-00159998 six of them weren't even close given the Us3gn6rrWtY-00647-00159999-00160187 cabinet's actually has quietly sent in a Us3gn6rrWtY-00648-00160188-00160394 rescue team led by the heads of NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00649-00160395-00160615 Northumbria can she advise when that Us3gn6rrWtY-00650-00160616-00160751 task force will report back to Us3gn6rrWtY-00651-00160752-00160982 government and when staff and patients Us3gn6rrWtY-00652-00160983-00161144 can expect to see some significant Us3gn6rrWtY-00653-00161145-00161486 improvement Cabrio second team thank you Us3gn6rrWtY-00654-00161487-00161638 I'm grateful to mr. Hill for her Us3gn6rrWtY-00655-00161639-00162001 question and the task force is work is a Us3gn6rrWtY-00656-00162002-00162233 continuous piece of work I received Us3gn6rrWtY-00657-00162234-00162581 regular reports from it on the progress Us3gn6rrWtY-00658-00162582-00162872 that is making I'm pleased to say that Us3gn6rrWtY-00659-00162873-00163153 obeah it's only a short time inand I Us3gn6rrWtY-00660-00163154-00163313 wouldn't over claim this but what we Us3gn6rrWtY-00661-00163314-00163697 have seen is a small improvement in NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00662-00163698-00163886 eluvians performance in terms of Us3gn6rrWtY-00663-00163887-00164210 accident and emergency I'm very happy to Us3gn6rrWtY-00664-00164211-00164456 update ms dovetail on the work of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00665-00164457-00164675 task force and other MSPs with a Us3gn6rrWtY-00666-00164676-00164945 particular local interest in the work of Us3gn6rrWtY-00667-00164946-00165275 nHS Lothian as the task force continues Us3gn6rrWtY-00668-00165276-00165524 its work but there is no particular you Us3gn6rrWtY-00669-00165525-00165776 go in look at things report and go away Us3gn6rrWtY-00670-00165777-00166058 again they are working with healthcare Us3gn6rrWtY-00671-00166059-00166319 staff nHS Lothian and with the Us3gn6rrWtY-00672-00166320-00166475 management team there to make Us3gn6rrWtY-00673-00166476-00166678 improvements on the ground which is Us3gn6rrWtY-00674-00166679-00166832 where i think is the right place for Us3gn6rrWtY-00675-00166833-00167171 them to be George Adam to be followed by Us3gn6rrWtY-00676-00167172-00167399 a bill Bowman Thank You presiding Us3gn6rrWtY-00677-00167400-00167464 officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00678-00167465-00167681 on Sunday the Chancellor said that an Us3gn6rrWtY-00679-00167682-00167963 event of an audio breaks his quote was Us3gn6rrWtY-00680-00167964-00168176 frankly we need to have a new budget Us3gn6rrWtY-00681-00168177-00168391 that said so the different strategy for Us3gn6rrWtY-00682-00168392-00168470 the future Us3gn6rrWtY-00683-00168471-00168722 he then promptly forgot about breaks it Us3gn6rrWtY-00684-00168723-00168935 yesterday but for the rare couple for Us3gn6rrWtY-00685-00168936-00169124 the sake of all those are working in our Us3gn6rrWtY-00686-00169125-00169354 national health service has the Scottish Us3gn6rrWtY-00687-00169355-00169603 Government been given any assurances by Us3gn6rrWtY-00688-00169604-00169856 the UK government the end event of an Us3gn6rrWtY-00689-00169857-00170135 ordeal breaks that their commitment to Us3gn6rrWtY-00690-00170136-00170393 the NHS spend will be kept and not just Us3gn6rrWtY-00691-00170394-00170756 thrown away in any new budget a person Us3gn6rrWtY-00692-00170757-00171016 no such assurances have been given Us3gn6rrWtY-00693-00171017-00171214 presiding officer and as I said earlier Us3gn6rrWtY-00694-00171215-00171565 all of that simply as to the significant Us3gn6rrWtY-00695-00171566-00171814 uncertainty that our staff in the NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00696-00171815-00172043 are facing added to the uncertainty of Us3gn6rrWtY-00697-00172044-00172264 those very valuable members of our Us3gn6rrWtY-00698-00172265-00172463 healthcare workforce who are EU Us3gn6rrWtY-00699-00172464-00172741 nationals and I along with everyone else Us3gn6rrWtY-00700-00172742-00172963 I have little hope that it would be hurt Us3gn6rrWtY-00701-00172964-00173116 but I urge Us3gn6rrWtY-00702-00173117-00173351 not only the UK government but our Us3gn6rrWtY-00703-00173352-00173534 colleagues here in the conservative Us3gn6rrWtY-00704-00173535-00173791 benches to join with us and press very Us3gn6rrWtY-00705-00173792-00174079 hard for some of this resolution to be Us3gn6rrWtY-00706-00174080-00174319 given and they could start by giving us Us3gn6rrWtY-00707-00174320-00174497 assurances in terms of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00708-00174498-00174766 consequentials going forward bill Bowman Us3gn6rrWtY-00709-00174767-00174964 to be followed by Luz MacDonald Thank Us3gn6rrWtY-00710-00174965-00175076 You presiding officer Us3gn6rrWtY-00711-00175077-00175250 well health boards were able to make Us3gn6rrWtY-00712-00175251-00175471 savings last year of around 500 million Us3gn6rrWtY-00713-00175472-00175702 the audit Scotland report has said that Us3gn6rrWtY-00714-00175703-00175850 this was largely thanks to one-off Us3gn6rrWtY-00715-00175851-00176152 measures like building sales further Us3gn6rrWtY-00716-00176153-00176309 savings will obviously have to be made Us3gn6rrWtY-00717-00176310-00176554 in the future and since they cannot come Us3gn6rrWtY-00718-00176555-00176714 from building sales our creative Us3gn6rrWtY-00719-00176715-00176908 accounting as we saw in NHS Tayside Us3gn6rrWtY-00720-00176909-00177188 however the cabinet secretary ensure how Us3gn6rrWtY-00721-00177189-00177379 will she ensure they do not come from Us3gn6rrWtY-00722-00177380-00177539 areas that will compromise patient Us3gn6rrWtY-00723-00177540-00177968 safety and patient care Us3gn6rrWtY-00724-00177969-00178238 thank you my thanks to mr. Bowman for Us3gn6rrWtY-00725-00178239-00178409 his question I need to make one point Us3gn6rrWtY-00726-00178410-00178721 about savings that are required for NHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00727-00178722-00178994 boards and the where they save money Us3gn6rrWtY-00728-00178995-00179191 they keep the money that they save and Us3gn6rrWtY-00729-00179192-00179399 they're expected to then use that money Us3gn6rrWtY-00730-00179400-00179696 precisely for patient services and Us3gn6rrWtY-00731-00179697-00179918 patient care I have been very clear with Us3gn6rrWtY-00732-00179919-00180143 all our boards that as they look at how Us3gn6rrWtY-00733-00180144-00180338 they make best use of areas of their Us3gn6rrWtY-00734-00180339-00180614 resources patient centred care and Us3gn6rrWtY-00735-00180615-00180865 quality care has to be the number one Us3gn6rrWtY-00736-00180866-00181220 priority and as we monitor their use of Us3gn6rrWtY-00737-00181221-00181504 resources and their spending plans their Us3gn6rrWtY-00738-00181505-00181760 own budgets going forward we will be Us3gn6rrWtY-00739-00181761-00181978 paying very careful attention to where Us3gn6rrWtY-00740-00181979-00182246 they are looking to make reductions in Us3gn6rrWtY-00741-00182247-00182498 cost in order to apply those funds Us3gn6rrWtY-00742-00182499-00182882 elsewhere and the the core answer to mr. Us3gn6rrWtY-00743-00182883-00183214 Bowman's question is you you focus on Us3gn6rrWtY-00744-00183215-00183539 quality quality produces reform reform Us3gn6rrWtY-00745-00183540-00183863 produces financial prudence and good use Us3gn6rrWtY-00746-00183864-00184121 of resources that is absolutely my Us3gn6rrWtY-00747-00184122-00184277 experience in the Health Service and Us3gn6rrWtY-00748-00184278-00184433 that is the way we will do it going Us3gn6rrWtY-00749-00184434-00184507 forward Us3gn6rrWtY-00750-00184508-00184765 Louise McDonald's before by Colin Beatty Us3gn6rrWtY-00751-00184766-00184895 thank you very much the cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00752-00184896-00185087 secretary rightly said that this is an Us3gn6rrWtY-00753-00185088-00185278 annual report but you will also know Us3gn6rrWtY-00754-00185279-00185510 that the Auditor General's warnings of Us3gn6rrWtY-00755-00185511-00185726 the need for a change of grown more Us3gn6rrWtY-00756-00185727-00186023 urgent year-on-year given the importance Us3gn6rrWtY-00757-00186024-00186263 of public engagement in meeting these Us3gn6rrWtY-00758-00186264-00186464 challenges does she agree with you Us3gn6rrWtY-00759-00186465-00186674 the general that better information is Us3gn6rrWtY-00760-00186675-00186953 needed on how the NHS uses funding to Us3gn6rrWtY-00761-00186954-00187233 support change and that reporting on Us3gn6rrWtY-00762-00187234-00187499 progress towards vision 2020 needs to be Us3gn6rrWtY-00763-00187500-00187676 made public if she does agree with those Us3gn6rrWtY-00764-00187677-00187968 views endless report how will she Us3gn6rrWtY-00765-00187969-00188366 deliver those changes and thank you I'm Us3gn6rrWtY-00766-00188367-00188546 grateful to mr. McDonald for those Us3gn6rrWtY-00767-00188547-00188745 questions important questions and yes I Us3gn6rrWtY-00768-00188746-00189023 do agree over I have said I accept it I Us3gn6rrWtY-00769-00189024-00189227 have accepted all the recommendations Us3gn6rrWtY-00770-00189228-00189566 and the audit Scotland report and I'm Us3gn6rrWtY-00771-00189567-00189785 hopeful that I will shortly have the Us3gn6rrWtY-00772-00189786-00190008 opportunity to meet with the Auditor Us3gn6rrWtY-00773-00190009-00190322 General in order to discuss what is in Us3gn6rrWtY-00774-00190323-00190610 that report and take her mind on some of Us3gn6rrWtY-00775-00190611-00190775 the other areas where she thinks we Us3gn6rrWtY-00776-00190776-00191060 might make improvements over the coming Us3gn6rrWtY-00777-00191061-00191465 year we are I think clearly committed to Us3gn6rrWtY-00778-00191466-00191687 transparency of information we make Us3gn6rrWtY-00779-00191688-00191948 information public but that doesn't mean Us3gn6rrWtY-00780-00191949-00192132 that there isn't more that we can do and Us3gn6rrWtY-00781-00192133-00192346 I'd be very happy to hear of any Us3gn6rrWtY-00782-00192347-00192563 propositions from across this chamber Us3gn6rrWtY-00783-00192564-00192785 about what more we can do because it's Us3gn6rrWtY-00784-00192786-00192947 not just about making information public Us3gn6rrWtY-00785-00192948-00193220 it's about making information accessible Us3gn6rrWtY-00786-00193221-00193652 and understood and I think that we have Us3gn6rrWtY-00787-00193653-00193932 a way to go and in that regard in terms Us3gn6rrWtY-00788-00193933-00194133 of individual health boards and Us3gn6rrWtY-00789-00194134-00194303 ourselves as government and I'm very Us3gn6rrWtY-00790-00194304-00194576 keen to look at how we might do that : Us3gn6rrWtY-00791-00194577-00194868 BT can the cabinet secretary outlined Us3gn6rrWtY-00792-00194869-00195096 what audit Scotland observed in their Us3gn6rrWtY-00793-00195097-00195314 report on the long-term increase in Us3gn6rrWtY-00794-00195315-00195760 health spending in Scotland per second Us3gn6rrWtY-00795-00195761-00196131 well in terms of the long term health Us3gn6rrWtY-00796-00196132-00196571 spending in Scotland the audit Scotland Us3gn6rrWtY-00797-00196572-00196825 report said Fraser Island Us3gn6rrWtY-00798-00196826-00197087 Institute estimates that the health Us3gn6rrWtY-00799-00197088-00197303 resource budget is likely to have to Us3gn6rrWtY-00800-00197304-00197483 increase by around two percent per year Us3gn6rrWtY-00801-00197484-00197801 to stand still and what I have said in Us3gn6rrWtY-00802-00197802-00198045 my statement and otherwise is that the Us3gn6rrWtY-00803-00198046-00198212 commitment made in the financials Us3gn6rrWtY-00804-00198213-00198389 framework our medium-term financial Us3gn6rrWtY-00805-00198390-00198608 framework sets our additional funding Us3gn6rrWtY-00806-00198609-00198821 for the health portfolio of 3.3 billion Us3gn6rrWtY-00807-00198822-00199283 pounds by 2023 24 which represents a 2.9 Us3gn6rrWtY-00808-00199284-00199487 percent increase in real terms Us3gn6rrWtY-00809-00199488-00199784 no that is as I said at the Us3gn6rrWtY-00810-00199785-00200036 when I made that statement and as I said Us3gn6rrWtY-00811-00200037-00200261 when I made the waiting times Us3gn6rrWtY-00812-00200262-00200348 Improvement Plan Us3gn6rrWtY-00813-00200349-00200525 when I published that and made that Us3gn6rrWtY-00814-00200526-00200783 statement there there this is predicated Us3gn6rrWtY-00815-00200784-00201101 on the UK government making good its Us3gn6rrWtY-00816-00201102-00201422 commitment from June for consequentials Us3gn6rrWtY-00817-00201423-00201698 they've already failed in the first year Us3gn6rrWtY-00818-00201699-00201965 of that I hope that they will not fail Us3gn6rrWtY-00819-00201966-00202175 in future years but what we absolutely Us3gn6rrWtY-00820-00202176-00202484 need from them is how they are going to Us3gn6rrWtY-00821-00202485-00202712 make good to short fall in this first Us3gn6rrWtY-00822-00202713-00202943 year and what they are going to do in Us3gn6rrWtY-00823-00202944-00203179 future years so that we can have a Us3gn6rrWtY-00824-00203180-00203477 realistic forward look and understand Us3gn6rrWtY-00825-00203478-00203689 whether or not we can make our political Us3gn6rrWtY-00826-00203690-00203960 choices an ultimate political commitment Us3gn6rrWtY-00827-00203961-00204143 good are whether the UK government is Us3gn6rrWtY-00828-00204144-00204547 going to let us down yet again a new Us3gn6rrWtY-00829-00204548-00204865 weekend we saw NHS London exposed taken Us3gn6rrWtY-00830-00204866-00205036 and private patients for millions of Us3gn6rrWtY-00831-00205037-00205177 pounds worth of procedures and Us3gn6rrWtY-00832-00205178-00205501 diagnostic tests where any a private Us3gn6rrWtY-00833-00205502-00205717 procedures and diagnostic tests where Us3gn6rrWtY-00834-00205719-00206014 NHS patients we up to 60 weeks and Us3gn6rrWtY-00835-00206015-00206219 beyond on waiting lists as the cabinet Us3gn6rrWtY-00836-00206219-00206369 sexually understand just how angry Us3gn6rrWtY-00837-00206369-00206617 patients are who are waiting with worry Us3gn6rrWtY-00838-00206619-00206930 and pain how angry are they that's Us3gn6rrWtY-00839-00206931-00207148 unacceptable situation and what you Us3gn6rrWtY-00840-00207150-00207241 gonna do about it Us3gn6rrWtY-00841-00207242-00207650 camera secretary well in terms of the Us3gn6rrWtY-00842-00207651-00208087 situation that mr. Finley's refers to I Us3gn6rrWtY-00843-00208088-00208379 am not best pleased myself I have to say Us3gn6rrWtY-00844-00208380-00208741 from my point of view our NHS boards Us3gn6rrWtY-00845-00208742-00209000 should deal with private patients only Us3gn6rrWtY-00846-00209001-00209361 in circumstances where life is at risk Us3gn6rrWtY-00847-00209362-00209641 my understanding is it is something like Us3gn6rrWtY-00848-00209642-00210031 2.2 million pounds so it's not a Us3gn6rrWtY-00849-00210032-00210319 enormous amount of money that doesn't Us3gn6rrWtY-00850-00210321-00210788 however lessen my concern about what nHS Us3gn6rrWtY-00851-00210789-00211009 Lothian have done here and what I have Us3gn6rrWtY-00852-00211010-00211316 already done is asked for detail on the Us3gn6rrWtY-00853-00211317-00211642 circumstances in which they have dealt Us3gn6rrWtY-00854-00211644-00211826 with thought that private sector in Us3gn6rrWtY-00855-00211827-00212021 terms of treating patients from the Us3gn6rrWtY-00856-00212021-00212321 private sector the circumstances and Us3gn6rrWtY-00857-00212321-00212594 whether or not they can justify that Us3gn6rrWtY-00858-00212594-00212834 they were able to do that because they Us3gn6rrWtY-00859-00212835-00213142 had capacity in terms of their service Us3gn6rrWtY-00860-00213144-00213488 for NHS patients once I have seen what Us3gn6rrWtY-00861-00213489-00213707 they wish to tell me on that then I will Us3gn6rrWtY-00862-00213708-00214007 make a decision about what I do not only Us3gn6rrWtY-00863-00214008-00214280 in terms of NHS all then but in terms of Us3gn6rrWtY-00864-00214281-00214484 any other boards so that there is a real Us3gn6rrWtY-00865-00214485-00214826 clarity that NHS resources are focused Us3gn6rrWtY-00866-00214827-00215135 on NHS patients and that that is the Us3gn6rrWtY-00867-00215136-00215402 right direction for us to go on and that Us3gn6rrWtY-00868-00215403-00215569 private the private the treatment of Us3gn6rrWtY-00869-00215571-00215794 private sector patients should be of Us3gn6rrWtY-00870-00215796-00216116 course possible when there is a matter Us3gn6rrWtY-00871-00216117-00216442 of life or death at risk but otherwise I Us3gn6rrWtY-00872-00216444-00216656 do not expect to see it in our NHS in Us3gn6rrWtY-00873-00216657-00216953 Scotland thank you very much Us3gn6rrWtY-00874-00216954-00217163 Kara secretary and ministers for their Us3gn6rrWtY-00875-00217164-00217342 cooperation that concludes that Us3gn6rrWtY-00876-00217344-00217498 statement we're not going to move on to Us3gn6rrWtY-00877-00217500-00217736 the next item of business which is a Us3gn6rrWtY-00878-00217737-00218051 debate on motion one for 5:09 in the Us3gn6rrWtY-00879-00218052-00218269 name of Kate Forbes on a digital society Us3gn6rrWtY-00880-00218271-00218567 for all working together to maximise the Us3gn6rrWtY-00881-00218567-00218882 benefits of Digital Inclusion and again Us3gn6rrWtY-00882-00218883-00219011 I would encourage all members who wish Us3gn6rrWtY-00883-00219012-00219203 to take part in this debate to press Us3gn6rrWtY-00884-00219204-00219584 their request to speak buttons UteeTTGRXRI-00000-00000194-00000615 [Music] UteeTTGRXRI-00001-00000616-00001126 so UteeTTGRXRI-00002-00001127-00001201 [Music] UteeTTGRXRI-00003-00001202-00001332 [Applause] UteeTTGRXRI-00004-00001333-00002407 [Music] UteeTTGRXRI-00005-00002408-00002567 welcome to this online event with the UteeTTGRXRI-00006-00002568-00002726 british library from wherever you're UteeTTGRXRI-00007-00002727-00002934 watching in the world my name is baron UteeTTGRXRI-00008-00002935-00003110 gibson and i'll be in conversation with UteeTTGRXRI-00009-00003111-00003327 art historian james fox about his brand UteeTTGRXRI-00010-00003328-00003559 new book the world according to color a UteeTTGRXRI-00011-00003560-00003815 cultural history a brilliant and often UteeTTGRXRI-00012-00003815-00004015 surprising exploration UteeTTGRXRI-00013-00004015-00004254 of something so central to the way we UteeTTGRXRI-00014-00004255-00004567 live in a huge part of all cultures UteeTTGRXRI-00015-00004568-00004751 james will shortly give an illustrated UteeTTGRXRI-00016-00004752-00004967 talk about the themes of the book filmed UteeTTGRXRI-00017-00004968-00005206 especially for this event and after that UteeTTGRXRI-00018-00005207-00005367 will be joining me for a live UteeTTGRXRI-00019-00005368-00005583 conversation and taking your questions UteeTTGRXRI-00020-00005584-00005775 if you'd like to send in a question at UteeTTGRXRI-00021-00005776-00005975 any point please go to the forum just UteeTTGRXRI-00022-00005976-00006222 below the video screen we'll get to as UteeTTGRXRI-00023-00006223-00006439 many as we can later on UteeTTGRXRI-00024-00006440-00006623 during the event if you're inspired to UteeTTGRXRI-00025-00006623-00006870 buy the book and you should please go to UteeTTGRXRI-00026-00006872-00007046 the books tab at the top of the screen UteeTTGRXRI-00027-00007047-00007183 where you'll find a link to the british UteeTTGRXRI-00028-00007184-00007398 library bookshop also at the top of the UteeTTGRXRI-00029-00007400-00007551 screen you'll see links that will enable UteeTTGRXRI-00030-00007552-00007774 you to give feedback about this event or UteeTTGRXRI-00031-00007775-00007967 support the work of the library UteeTTGRXRI-00032-00007968-00008214 finally a little more about a background UteeTTGRXRI-00033-00008215-00008351 about our speaker UteeTTGRXRI-00034-00008352-00008542 james fox is an art historian UteeTTGRXRI-00035-00008543-00008742 broadcaster and fellow of godville and UteeTTGRXRI-00036-00008743-00008959 geese college cambridge has many UteeTTGRXRI-00037-00008960-00009174 fascinating and widely acclaimed bbc UteeTTGRXRI-00038-00009175-00009342 television documentaries which many of UteeTTGRXRI-00039-00009343-00009567 you may have seen include programs on UteeTTGRXRI-00040-00009568-00009791 the history of cornish art british UteeTTGRXRI-00041-00009792-00009983 renaissance and the culture and politics UteeTTGRXRI-00042-00009984-00010310 of vienna in 1908 paris in 1928 in new UteeTTGRXRI-00043-00010311-00010503 york in 1951. UteeTTGRXRI-00044-00010504-00010767 now please enjoy this wonderful video by UteeTTGRXRI-00045-00010768-00010991 james UteeTTGRXRI-00046-00010992-00011174 thank you veron and thank you very much UteeTTGRXRI-00047-00011175-00011342 all of you for listening to me talk UteeTTGRXRI-00048-00011343-00011551 about my latest book the world according UteeTTGRXRI-00049-00011552-00011846 to color now this uh really has been a UteeTTGRXRI-00050-00011847-00012038 labor of love for me i uh first UteeTTGRXRI-00051-00012039-00012342 conceived it back in 2012 UteeTTGRXRI-00052-00012343-00012527 thinking it would be a really quick and UteeTTGRXRI-00053-00012528-00012767 simple project but as i began UteeTTGRXRI-00054-00012768-00012943 researching many of that research done UteeTTGRXRI-00055-00012944-00013135 in the british library in fact UteeTTGRXRI-00056-00013136-00013335 the subject got bigger and bigger and UteeTTGRXRI-00057-00013336-00013615 the research went on and on and in the UteeTTGRXRI-00058-00013616-00013879 end i think i spent about eight years UteeTTGRXRI-00059-00013880-00014103 working on this book UteeTTGRXRI-00060-00014104-00014247 though in some ways i've been working on UteeTTGRXRI-00061-00014247-00014471 it since i was a child um i know that's UteeTTGRXRI-00062-00014472-00014743 a strange thing to say but i first truly UteeTTGRXRI-00063-00014744-00014951 fell in love with colour at the age of UteeTTGRXRI-00064-00014952-00015183 six and i remember very vividly what UteeTTGRXRI-00065-00015184-00015366 happened it was a hot day i was sitting UteeTTGRXRI-00066-00015368-00015591 in my parents kitchen was drinking some UteeTTGRXRI-00067-00015591-00015919 orange juice when this huge fly UteeTTGRXRI-00068-00015919-00016063 came in through the window and rattled UteeTTGRXRI-00069-00016063-00016199 around the room for several minutes and UteeTTGRXRI-00070-00016200-00016335 when eventually it landed on the table UteeTTGRXRI-00071-00016336-00016511 my mum rolled up a magazine and crushed UteeTTGRXRI-00072-00016512-00016743 it beneath the magazine and i did what UteeTTGRXRI-00073-00016744-00017022 any child would do i lent in to examine UteeTTGRXRI-00074-00017023-00017358 the carcass which was spasming in a pool UteeTTGRXRI-00075-00017359-00017583 of body fluid and of course my initial UteeTTGRXRI-00076-00017584-00017839 response was disgust UteeTTGRXRI-00077-00017840-00018135 but then i started to look at it closely UteeTTGRXRI-00078-00018136-00018350 and i noticed the colors of that fly UteeTTGRXRI-00079-00018351-00018591 were just exceptional the the abdomen UteeTTGRXRI-00080-00018592-00018807 was a sapphire blue and emerald green UteeTTGRXRI-00081-00018808-00018999 the eyes were burgundy the wings were UteeTTGRXRI-00082-00019000-00019167 like little rainbows UteeTTGRXRI-00083-00019168-00019367 and i remember so vividly thinking well UteeTTGRXRI-00084-00019368-00019663 look if something as insignificant and UteeTTGRXRI-00085-00019664-00019983 small and ugly as a fly is actually this UteeTTGRXRI-00086-00019984-00020183 beautiful and this full of color close UteeTTGRXRI-00087-00020184-00020383 up i really start should start looking UteeTTGRXRI-00088-00020384-00020599 more closely at everything else and that UteeTTGRXRI-00089-00020600-00020863 is exactly what i did i over the UteeTTGRXRI-00090-00020864-00021007 following weeks over the following UteeTTGRXRI-00091-00021008-00021135 months of the following years i UteeTTGRXRI-00092-00021136-00021358 scrutinized the colors of pretty much UteeTTGRXRI-00093-00021359-00021519 everything that i encountered so i UteeTTGRXRI-00094-00021520-00021686 remember counting the reds and the rose UteeTTGRXRI-00095-00021687-00021967 petals i counted the grays in the clouds UteeTTGRXRI-00096-00021968-00022143 and i even discovered a few years later UteeTTGRXRI-00097-00022144-00022303 that if i in the middle of the night UteeTTGRXRI-00098-00022304-00022503 when it was pitch black if i closed my UteeTTGRXRI-00099-00022504-00022839 eyes and jab my eyelids extremely hard i UteeTTGRXRI-00100-00022840-00023039 could summon these extraordinary colors UteeTTGRXRI-00101-00023040-00023191 and patterns UteeTTGRXRI-00102-00023192-00023391 out of the darkness we we call them UteeTTGRXRI-00103-00023392-00023550 phosphenes in fact and i highly UteeTTGRXRI-00104-00023551-00023735 recommend people doing it themselves UteeTTGRXRI-00105-00023736-00023919 it's quite an extraordinary experience UteeTTGRXRI-00106-00023920-00024150 so we can see color and light in the UteeTTGRXRI-00107-00024151-00024271 darkness UteeTTGRXRI-00108-00024272-00024471 but the more i looked the UteeTTGRXRI-00109-00024472-00024742 the more questions i guess i had um you UteeTTGRXRI-00110-00024743-00024855 know UteeTTGRXRI-00111-00024856-00025199 why for instance was the sea blue but UteeTTGRXRI-00112-00025200-00025503 sea water colorless why did UteeTTGRXRI-00113-00025504-00025727 cooked beef turn red and cooked chicken UteeTTGRXRI-00114-00025727-00026134 turn white why did we say that white UteeTTGRXRI-00115-00026135-00026399 spirit and white wine and white people UteeTTGRXRI-00116-00026400-00026599 for that matter were white when clearly UteeTTGRXRI-00117-00026600-00026774 they weren't white UteeTTGRXRI-00118-00026775-00026967 and i think it was that curiosity about UteeTTGRXRI-00119-00026968-00027095 color that UteeTTGRXRI-00120-00027095-00027351 ultimately led me to become UteeTTGRXRI-00121-00027352-00027567 an artist orient and even today you know UteeTTGRXRI-00122-00027568-00027743 every time i look at the the blues of UteeTTGRXRI-00123-00027744-00027935 islamic architecture or the incredible UteeTTGRXRI-00124-00027936-00028190 myriad blacks of chinese and japanese UteeTTGRXRI-00125-00028191-00028487 inkwash painting or the dazzling reds of UteeTTGRXRI-00126-00028488-00028783 angry matisse i do feel like i am UteeTTGRXRI-00127-00028783-00029127 indulging a childhood addiction UteeTTGRXRI-00128-00029127-00029302 but anyway before i UteeTTGRXRI-00129-00029304-00029518 get started i think we really must UteeTTGRXRI-00130-00029519-00029702 answer a pretty fundamental question and UteeTTGRXRI-00131-00029704-00030087 that that question is what is color UteeTTGRXRI-00132-00030088-00030287 well in some ways i'm reminded here of UteeTTGRXRI-00133-00030288-00030607 um the us supreme court justice potter UteeTTGRXRI-00134-00030608-00030846 stewart who back in the 1960s he had to UteeTTGRXRI-00135-00030847-00030974 decide UteeTTGRXRI-00136-00030975-00031270 whether something was pornography or not UteeTTGRXRI-00137-00031272-00031470 and he concluded really quite famously UteeTTGRXRI-00138-00031472-00031687 by saying well i can't define UteeTTGRXRI-00139-00031688-00031814 pornography UteeTTGRXRI-00140-00031816-00032135 but i know it when i see it and you know UteeTTGRXRI-00141-00032136-00032327 i think that the very same thing is true UteeTTGRXRI-00142-00032327-00032527 of color we all see color all the time UteeTTGRXRI-00143-00032527-00032655 we all know what it is we know the UteeTTGRXRI-00144-00032656-00032783 difference between red and blue and UteeTTGRXRI-00145-00032784-00033031 yellow and green but as soon as we have UteeTTGRXRI-00146-00033032-00033215 to define it UteeTTGRXRI-00147-00033216-00033399 we run into trouble and that is because UteeTTGRXRI-00148-00033400-00033687 despite its ubiquity by despite its ever UteeTTGRXRI-00149-00033688-00033871 presence color is actually a really UteeTTGRXRI-00150-00033872-00034151 mysterious entity that raises all kinds UteeTTGRXRI-00151-00034152-00034359 of difficult physical philosophical UteeTTGRXRI-00152-00034360-00034462 questions UteeTTGRXRI-00153-00034463-00034687 and i think the main debate i suppose is UteeTTGRXRI-00154-00034688-00034774 whether UteeTTGRXRI-00155-00034775-00035079 color exists out in the world UteeTTGRXRI-00156-00035080-00035311 in light and in things or whether it UteeTTGRXRI-00157-00035312-00035518 exists inside us in our brains in other UteeTTGRXRI-00158-00035519-00035727 words whether color is objective or UteeTTGRXRI-00159-00035728-00035983 subjective now of course common sense UteeTTGRXRI-00160-00035984-00036167 tells us that color is objective that UteeTTGRXRI-00161-00036168-00036399 that objects this cut that i'm drinking UteeTTGRXRI-00162-00036400-00036702 this has a kind of color in it that is UteeTTGRXRI-00163-00036703-00036895 there whether we look at it or not UteeTTGRXRI-00164-00036896-00037095 but actually that's very often not the UteeTTGRXRI-00165-00037096-00037343 case i've got here a little prop UteeTTGRXRI-00166-00037344-00037502 this is one of my prized possessions UteeTTGRXRI-00167-00037503-00037646 this is a UteeTTGRXRI-00168-00037647-00037902 ulysses butterfly from australasia it's UteeTTGRXRI-00169-00037903-00038039 one of the most famous UteeTTGRXRI-00170-00038040-00038262 and very rare blue creatures in the UteeTTGRXRI-00171-00038263-00038495 world but when scientists actually UteeTTGRXRI-00172-00038496-00038671 ground down and examine the wings they UteeTTGRXRI-00173-00038672-00038887 discovered there wasn't a single piece UteeTTGRXRI-00174-00038888-00039071 of blue pigment in it it was all an UteeTTGRXRI-00175-00039072-00039255 optical illusion designed to make us UteeTTGRXRI-00176-00039256-00039335 think UteeTTGRXRI-00177-00039336-00039462 it is blue UteeTTGRXRI-00178-00039463-00039615 and of course what's more than that we UteeTTGRXRI-00179-00039616-00039911 all see colors differently many men are UteeTTGRXRI-00180-00039912-00040087 color blind so they see fewer colors UteeTTGRXRI-00181-00040088-00040215 than other people UteeTTGRXRI-00182-00040216-00040367 there are some women UteeTTGRXRI-00183-00040368-00040623 who by virtue of this a rare chromosomal UteeTTGRXRI-00184-00040624-00040759 condition UteeTTGRXRI-00185-00040760-00040927 might be able to see hundreds if not UteeTTGRXRI-00186-00040928-00041174 millions of more colors than anyone else UteeTTGRXRI-00187-00041175-00041351 and even if those of us with normal UteeTTGRXRI-00188-00041352-00041511 color vision UteeTTGRXRI-00189-00041512-00041702 see things differently i'm sure many of UteeTTGRXRI-00190-00041703-00041902 you will remember a few years ago when UteeTTGRXRI-00191-00041903-00042158 that photograph of a dress UteeTTGRXRI-00192-00042159-00042446 went uh surfaced online and it became a UteeTTGRXRI-00193-00042447-00042607 huge viral thing but i probably UteeTTGRXRI-00194-00042608-00042767 shouldn't use the word viral in the same UteeTTGRXRI-00195-00042768-00042999 way anymore but it became a huge viral UteeTTGRXRI-00196-00043000-00043295 sensation and the reason was because the UteeTTGRXRI-00197-00043296-00043487 world people couldn't agree whether that UteeTTGRXRI-00198-00043488-00043655 dress in that photograph was blue and UteeTTGRXRI-00199-00043656-00043862 black or white and gold and i think in UteeTTGRXRI-00200-00043863-00044135 doing so it it became a perfect example UteeTTGRXRI-00201-00044136-00044399 of how much of color UteeTTGRXRI-00202-00044400-00044623 resides in the eyes of the beholder how UteeTTGRXRI-00203-00044624-00044839 much of it is about the way that our UteeTTGRXRI-00204-00044840-00045102 retinas and our brains UteeTTGRXRI-00205-00045103-00045390 make sense of the waves of light the UteeTTGRXRI-00206-00045391-00045702 photons that vibrate and and bounce and UteeTTGRXRI-00207-00045703-00046095 rattle around us on this planet UteeTTGRXRI-00208-00046096-00046287 and color isn't only a visual phenomenon UteeTTGRXRI-00209-00046288-00046479 you know colors affect our minds and our UteeTTGRXRI-00210-00046480-00046727 bodies in all kinds of ways they help us UteeTTGRXRI-00211-00046728-00046967 understand when to go to sleep and when UteeTTGRXRI-00212-00046968-00047223 to wake up what to eat what to buy who UteeTTGRXRI-00213-00047224-00047390 to find attractive UteeTTGRXRI-00214-00047391-00047590 what emotions to feel so they're UteeTTGRXRI-00215-00047591-00047751 constantly shaping our moods and our UteeTTGRXRI-00216-00047752-00047999 behaviors all the time even though we're UteeTTGRXRI-00217-00048000-00048318 not always aware of them doing so so red UteeTTGRXRI-00218-00048319-00048543 for instance is a good example red has UteeTTGRXRI-00219-00048544-00048807 been found to to raise heart rates to UteeTTGRXRI-00220-00048808-00049015 increase electrical activity in the UteeTTGRXRI-00221-00049016-00049343 brain to contribute to sexual arousal UteeTTGRXRI-00222-00049344-00049567 to improve the body strength speed and UteeTTGRXRI-00223-00049568-00049743 reaction time we even know from a number UteeTTGRXRI-00224-00049744-00049967 of studies that that sports teams or UteeTTGRXRI-00225-00049968-00050215 athletes wearing red strips are at an UteeTTGRXRI-00226-00050216-00050358 advantage UteeTTGRXRI-00227-00050359-00050679 by virtue of wearing red and blue by UteeTTGRXRI-00228-00050680-00050807 contrast UteeTTGRXRI-00229-00050808-00050999 is being found to reduce heart rates and UteeTTGRXRI-00230-00051000-00051183 blood pressure to promote relaxation to UteeTTGRXRI-00231-00051184-00051526 reduce crime to reduce levels of suicide UteeTTGRXRI-00232-00051527-00051702 and so UteeTTGRXRI-00233-00051703-00051975 it's a fascinating myriad amorphous UteeTTGRXRI-00234-00051976-00052294 protein entity colour but my book tells UteeTTGRXRI-00235-00052295-00052447 the story UteeTTGRXRI-00236-00052448-00052663 of human culture all of human culture in UteeTTGRXRI-00237-00052664-00052959 some ways through color so it begins UteeTTGRXRI-00238-00052960-00053166 with the origins of the universe 13.8 UteeTTGRXRI-00239-00053167-00053319 billion years ago and it runs all the UteeTTGRXRI-00240-00053320-00053479 way through to the environmental crisis UteeTTGRXRI-00241-00053479-00053719 we currently face and it covers UteeTTGRXRI-00242-00053720-00053942 societies on every different continent UteeTTGRXRI-00243-00053944-00054247 now i focus on seven major colors black UteeTTGRXRI-00244-00054248-00054454 red yellow blue UteeTTGRXRI-00245-00054455-00054719 white purple and green and i use each of UteeTTGRXRI-00246-00054720-00055038 them to tap into a particular phase or UteeTTGRXRI-00247-00055039-00055287 theme in human history because our UteeTTGRXRI-00248-00055288-00055599 culture has been intimately connected UteeTTGRXRI-00249-00055600-00055887 with color from the very beginning we UteeTTGRXRI-00250-00055888-00056142 have used it as a symbol as a metaphor UteeTTGRXRI-00251-00056144-00056350 as a language i suppose UteeTTGRXRI-00252-00056351-00056679 to communicate the most important ideas UteeTTGRXRI-00253-00056679-00056815 we have UteeTTGRXRI-00254-00056816-00056959 and what i thought i'd do over the next UteeTTGRXRI-00255-00056960-00057142 20 minutes or so UteeTTGRXRI-00256-00057144-00057359 is essentially to try and do i know it UteeTTGRXRI-00257-00057360-00057526 sounds pretty ambitious in 20 minutes UteeTTGRXRI-00258-00057527-00057703 but to try and do a potted history of UteeTTGRXRI-00259-00057704-00058126 humanity through some of these colors UteeTTGRXRI-00260-00058127-00058359 so let's begin at the beginning because UteeTTGRXRI-00261-00058360-00058559 in many respects the first really UteeTTGRXRI-00262-00058560-00058726 salient color UteeTTGRXRI-00263-00058727-00059063 in human culture was red UteeTTGRXRI-00264-00059064-00059199 now maybe this shouldn't surprise us UteeTTGRXRI-00265-00059200-00059399 because of course after all beneath the UteeTTGRXRI-00266-00059400-00059591 surface all of us are made from red meat UteeTTGRXRI-00267-00059591-00059750 and red blood and it's a color that we UteeTTGRXRI-00268-00059751-00059950 have always associated with ourselves UteeTTGRXRI-00269-00059951-00060223 and you only need to think back on early UteeTTGRXRI-00270-00060224-00060391 creation myths you know stories that UteeTTGRXRI-00271-00060391-00060654 talk about the first creations of UteeTTGRXRI-00272-00060655-00060823 humans and there are many different UteeTTGRXRI-00273-00060824-00060966 stories from all over the world all with UteeTTGRXRI-00274-00060967-00061238 different narratives but many of them UteeTTGRXRI-00275-00061239-00061438 many of them UteeTTGRXRI-00276-00061439-00061694 stipulate that the first humans had been UteeTTGRXRI-00277-00061695-00061975 molded out of red materials whether it UteeTTGRXRI-00278-00061976-00062279 was red clay or red sand or red dust in UteeTTGRXRI-00279-00062279-00062423 fact this is one of the reasons why the UteeTTGRXRI-00280-00062424-00062647 first human of the old testament was UteeTTGRXRI-00281-00062648-00063006 called adam because adam in hebrew means UteeTTGRXRI-00282-00063007-00063215 red as well as earth and blood the UteeTTGRXRI-00283-00063216-00063494 materials from which he was made UteeTTGRXRI-00284-00063495-00063654 and i think what's so UteeTTGRXRI-00285-00063655-00063871 fascinating for me about this is that UteeTTGRXRI-00286-00063872-00064191 this this isn't simply a matter of myth UteeTTGRXRI-00287-00064191-00064430 archaeologists who are studying some of UteeTTGRXRI-00288-00064432-00064606 the earliest human societies in stone UteeTTGRXRI-00289-00064607-00064726 age africa UteeTTGRXRI-00290-00064727-00064871 have consistently found something UteeTTGRXRI-00291-00064872-00065054 remarkable everywhere they look every UteeTTGRXRI-00292-00065055-00065294 site they go to they find huge amounts UteeTTGRXRI-00293-00065295-00065487 of red pigments UteeTTGRXRI-00294-00065488-00065647 so a few years ago in south africa for UteeTTGRXRI-00295-00065648-00065847 instance archaeologists found UteeTTGRXRI-00296-00065848-00066038 an astonishing site they found what they UteeTTGRXRI-00297-00066039-00066271 believed to be a hundred thousand year UteeTTGRXRI-00298-00066272-00066543 old pigment workshop three times as old UteeTTGRXRI-00299-00066544-00066694 as the cave paintings where pigments UteeTTGRXRI-00300-00066695-00066911 were being manufactured red ochre was UteeTTGRXRI-00301-00066912-00067063 being brought from a quarry and UteeTTGRXRI-00302-00067064-00067255 processed and turned into paint and they UteeTTGRXRI-00303-00067256-00067463 even discovered on on this piece of red UteeTTGRXRI-00304-00067464-00067567 ochre UteeTTGRXRI-00305-00067568-00067782 one of the very first abstract designs UteeTTGRXRI-00306-00067783-00068063 ever made by humans UteeTTGRXRI-00307-00068064-00068343 now by the time of the upper paleolithic UteeTTGRXRI-00308-00068344-00068526 when the famous cave paintings were UteeTTGRXRI-00309-00068527-00068726 being made in europe red pigments were UteeTTGRXRI-00310-00068727-00068991 being used in figurative artworks and UteeTTGRXRI-00311-00068992-00069135 one of the really interesting things UteeTTGRXRI-00312-00069136-00069294 about that is that these figures were UteeTTGRXRI-00313-00069295-00069567 themselves in some ways color coded UteeTTGRXRI-00314-00069568-00069679 so UteeTTGRXRI-00315-00069680-00069894 in show vacay for instance which was UteeTTGRXRI-00316-00069895-00070119 discovered by accident by some explorers UteeTTGRXRI-00317-00070120-00070263 in the 1990s UteeTTGRXRI-00318-00070264-00070494 what we find is that animals are UteeTTGRXRI-00319-00070495-00070767 typically depicted in black charcoal UteeTTGRXRI-00320-00070768-00071038 and humans in the form of these palm UteeTTGRXRI-00321-00071039-00071215 prints and hand stencils are typically UteeTTGRXRI-00322-00071216-00071455 depicted in red pigments so this is a UteeTTGRXRI-00323-00071456-00071638 particularly interesting image you can UteeTTGRXRI-00324-00071639-00071982 see that the black line is the back of a UteeTTGRXRI-00325-00071983-00072191 of a bison that has been drawn in black UteeTTGRXRI-00326-00072192-00072406 and then on top of that or just UteeTTGRXRI-00327-00072407-00072615 within that we can see the human UteeTTGRXRI-00328-00072616-00072887 presence marked out with red UteeTTGRXRI-00329-00072888-00073119 so clearly there was some color coding UteeTTGRXRI-00330-00073120-00073287 with our species UteeTTGRXRI-00331-00073288-00073550 um so what did red mean you know why did UteeTTGRXRI-00332-00073551-00073719 we go to all these lengths to gain it UteeTTGRXRI-00333-00073720-00073903 what were we doing with it UteeTTGRXRI-00334-00073904-00074055 i mean the truth is UteeTTGRXRI-00335-00074056-00074238 we don't really know i mean it's so long UteeTTGRXRI-00336-00074239-00074447 ago we don't have many records but most UteeTTGRXRI-00337-00074448-00074647 anthropologists think that red was a UteeTTGRXRI-00338-00074648-00074871 symbol of blood and that like blood it UteeTTGRXRI-00339-00074872-00075191 symbolized life and death they think it UteeTTGRXRI-00340-00075192-00075359 was smeared over women's bodies to UteeTTGRXRI-00341-00075360-00075631 symbolize fertility we know for sure UteeTTGRXRI-00342-00075632-00075782 that it was buried with the dead UteeTTGRXRI-00343-00075783-00075975 probably to bring them back to life and UteeTTGRXRI-00344-00075976-00076126 that it would also have been applied to UteeTTGRXRI-00345-00076127-00076455 places and objects to invest them with a UteeTTGRXRI-00346-00076456-00076735 life force associated with blood so it's UteeTTGRXRI-00347-00076736-00076903 entirely possible UteeTTGRXRI-00348-00076904-00077279 that red was humanity's very first UteeTTGRXRI-00349-00077280-00077423 symbol UteeTTGRXRI-00350-00077424-00077679 representing that most important process UteeTTGRXRI-00351-00077680-00077838 of life and death UteeTTGRXRI-00352-00077839-00077991 and we know that in many indigenous UteeTTGRXRI-00353-00077992-00078231 communities around the world even today UteeTTGRXRI-00354-00078232-00078494 red pigments are still being applied to UteeTTGRXRI-00355-00078495-00078679 bodies and objects because of their UteeTTGRXRI-00356-00078680-00078879 spiritual power because of their life UteeTTGRXRI-00357-00078880-00079087 force UteeTTGRXRI-00358-00079088-00079262 now it's i think important to say that UteeTTGRXRI-00359-00079263-00079479 in in prehistoric times UteeTTGRXRI-00360-00079480-00079655 we didn't have that many colors to UteeTTGRXRI-00361-00079656-00079775 choose from UteeTTGRXRI-00362-00079776-00080047 we mostly had blacks whites and yellows UteeTTGRXRI-00363-00080048-00080199 and browns and reds the so-called earth UteeTTGRXRI-00364-00080200-00080399 colours because they could be easily UteeTTGRXRI-00365-00080400-00080631 extracted from the earth but in later UteeTTGRXRI-00366-00080632-00080782 centuries in the neolithic period UteeTTGRXRI-00367-00080783-00081015 especially we devised a whole new range UteeTTGRXRI-00368-00081016-00081247 of pigments and dyes and those colours UteeTTGRXRI-00369-00081248-00081550 became extremely important commodities UteeTTGRXRI-00370-00081551-00081862 luxuries and status symbols and perhaps UteeTTGRXRI-00371-00081863-00081959 the most UteeTTGRXRI-00372-00081960-00082118 luxurious of them all and the one that UteeTTGRXRI-00373-00082119-00082367 most people will have heard of UteeTTGRXRI-00374-00082368-00082694 is tyrion purple now this die was made UteeTTGRXRI-00375-00082695-00083071 around 1500 bc onwards in the near east UteeTTGRXRI-00376-00083072-00083247 and it was made from shellfish and what UteeTTGRXRI-00377-00083248-00083399 would happen is you would catch the UteeTTGRXRI-00378-00083400-00083575 shellfish you would take their their UteeTTGRXRI-00379-00083576-00083782 glands out you would extract the mucus UteeTTGRXRI-00380-00083783-00084015 then you could boil that mucus in salt UteeTTGRXRI-00381-00084016-00084175 water for several weeks apparently it UteeTTGRXRI-00382-00084176-00084406 was the most unbearable stench that the UteeTTGRXRI-00383-00084407-00084615 uh the process emitted UteeTTGRXRI-00384-00084616-00084871 and it was highly labor intensive you UteeTTGRXRI-00385-00084872-00085215 needed somewhere in the region of 10 000 UteeTTGRXRI-00386-00085216-00085526 molluscs to produce just a gram of dye UteeTTGRXRI-00387-00085527-00085791 and this made it extremely expensive so UteeTTGRXRI-00388-00085792-00085943 i found for instance in the process of UteeTTGRXRI-00389-00085944-00086199 my research a fourth century roman price UteeTTGRXRI-00390-00086200-00086423 list the price list of diocletian which UteeTTGRXRI-00391-00086424-00086591 listed all the prices of all the UteeTTGRXRI-00392-00086592-00086871 commodities in fourth century rome UteeTTGRXRI-00393-00086872-00086950 and UteeTTGRXRI-00394-00086951-00087126 what i discovered was that UteeTTGRXRI-00395-00087127-00087438 a pound of tyrion purple silk was more UteeTTGRXRI-00396-00087439-00087671 than twice as expensive as gold by UteeTTGRXRI-00397-00087672-00087959 weight and five times the price of a of UteeTTGRXRI-00398-00087960-00088126 a male slave UteeTTGRXRI-00399-00088127-00088318 that's how expensive it was and in fact UteeTTGRXRI-00400-00088319-00088487 as i trolled through this text i found UteeTTGRXRI-00401-00088488-00088631 that there was UteeTTGRXRI-00402-00088632-00088815 only one item UteeTTGRXRI-00403-00088816-00089079 on this list that was as expensive as a UteeTTGRXRI-00404-00089080-00089191 pound of UteeTTGRXRI-00405-00089192-00089503 tyrion silk and that was a male lion UteeTTGRXRI-00406-00089504-00089726 lion that had to be captured and UteeTTGRXRI-00407-00089727-00089862 imported UteeTTGRXRI-00408-00089863-00090038 from africa UteeTTGRXRI-00409-00090039-00090118 so UteeTTGRXRI-00410-00090119-00090287 this die obviously UteeTTGRXRI-00411-00090288-00090511 naturally became a status symbol and it UteeTTGRXRI-00412-00090512-00090671 was very quickly became associated UteeTTGRXRI-00413-00090672-00090943 really only with imperial rulers and UteeTTGRXRI-00414-00090944-00091303 under theodosius ii for instance anyone UteeTTGRXRI-00415-00091304-00091591 found buying or making or wearing or UteeTTGRXRI-00416-00091592-00091871 even owning this extraordinary purple UteeTTGRXRI-00417-00091872-00092055 color without permission could be UteeTTGRXRI-00418-00092056-00092255 charged with treason which was a crime UteeTTGRXRI-00419-00092256-00092647 punishable by death UteeTTGRXRI-00420-00092648-00092862 now different cultures prize different UteeTTGRXRI-00421-00092863-00092950 colors UteeTTGRXRI-00422-00092951-00093223 for different reasons so um in china for UteeTTGRXRI-00423-00093224-00093335 instance UteeTTGRXRI-00424-00093336-00093535 red became established as the most UteeTTGRXRI-00425-00093536-00093759 celebrated color uh in part because UteeTTGRXRI-00426-00093760-00093999 chinese philosophers had given it these UteeTTGRXRI-00427-00094000-00094174 bold bright and very auspicious UteeTTGRXRI-00428-00094175-00094431 connotations and and those associations UteeTTGRXRI-00429-00094432-00094615 remain absolutely UteeTTGRXRI-00430-00094616-00094918 with us today UteeTTGRXRI-00431-00094919-00095071 behind these people string up red UteeTTGRXRI-00432-00095072-00095174 lanterns UteeTTGRXRI-00433-00095175-00095335 to celebrate a new year they decorate UteeTTGRXRI-00434-00095336-00095543 their front doors with red paper to ward UteeTTGRXRI-00435-00095544-00095759 off bad luck they give newborn babies UteeTTGRXRI-00436-00095760-00095935 red clothes UteeTTGRXRI-00437-00095936-00096087 you see the chinese restaurants often UteeTTGRXRI-00438-00096088-00096318 have red signs chinese products chili UteeTTGRXRI-00439-00096319-00096511 oils for instance often have red labels UteeTTGRXRI-00440-00096512-00096638 because it's a UteeTTGRXRI-00441-00096639-00096838 color of good luck and the meanings of UteeTTGRXRI-00442-00096839-00097062 red are so positive in china UteeTTGRXRI-00443-00097063-00097350 that the chinese stock market shows UteeTTGRXRI-00444-00097351-00097623 rising stocks in red rather than black UteeTTGRXRI-00445-00097624-00097774 which is the opposite of almost every UteeTTGRXRI-00446-00097775-00098087 other country UteeTTGRXRI-00447-00098088-00098382 in south asia by contrast it was yellow UteeTTGRXRI-00448-00098383-00098511 really that emerged as the most UteeTTGRXRI-00449-00098512-00098703 desirable color and in india for UteeTTGRXRI-00450-00098704-00098823 instance UteeTTGRXRI-00451-00098824-00099047 yellow colorants and they had many but UteeTTGRXRI-00452-00099048-00099303 yellow colorants including saffron and UteeTTGRXRI-00453-00099304-00099455 turmeric UteeTTGRXRI-00454-00099456-00099735 were linked to buddhist monks hindu gods UteeTTGRXRI-00455-00099736-00100015 and turmeric in particular is still used UteeTTGRXRI-00456-00100016-00100223 widely used in fact in marriage rituals UteeTTGRXRI-00457-00100224-00100431 so in many parts of india you will UteeTTGRXRI-00458-00100432-00100631 splash turmeric over the bride and groom UteeTTGRXRI-00459-00100632-00100823 over their clothes over the wedding UteeTTGRXRI-00460-00100824-00100982 invitations over the guests over the UteeTTGRXRI-00461-00100983-00101103 food UteeTTGRXRI-00462-00101104-00101391 all to bring about good luck for the for UteeTTGRXRI-00463-00101392-00101655 the wedding in the future UteeTTGRXRI-00464-00101656-00101911 and in islamic cultures the middle east UteeTTGRXRI-00465-00101912-00102182 uh green i think it was the color uh UteeTTGRXRI-00466-00102183-00102406 that reigned supreme it was said to be UteeTTGRXRI-00467-00102407-00102582 muhammad's favorite color UteeTTGRXRI-00468-00102583-00102758 the hadith tells us that he wore green a UteeTTGRXRI-00469-00102759-00102951 lot he talked about green vegetation a UteeTTGRXRI-00470-00102952-00103094 lot UteeTTGRXRI-00471-00103095-00103439 the quran tells us quite explicitly that UteeTTGRXRI-00472-00103440-00103734 paradise itself was green that it was UteeTTGRXRI-00473-00103735-00103966 filled with green plants with green UteeTTGRXRI-00474-00103967-00104158 cushions that people who lived there UteeTTGRXRI-00475-00104159-00104430 wore green clothes and in fact not many UteeTTGRXRI-00476-00104431-00104599 people know UteeTTGRXRI-00477-00104600-00104839 that the shortest verse in the whole of UteeTTGRXRI-00478-00104840-00105102 the quran is just one word long and that UteeTTGRXRI-00479-00105103-00105558 word is green it's a specific kind of UteeTTGRXRI-00480-00105559-00105878 deep dark rich green that exists only on UteeTTGRXRI-00481-00105879-00106286 the trees in paradise itself UteeTTGRXRI-00482-00106288-00106366 so UteeTTGRXRI-00483-00106367-00106590 what of europe then well i mean i think UteeTTGRXRI-00484-00106591-00106783 unlike the people of UteeTTGRXRI-00485-00106783-00107071 asia europeans didn't particularly like UteeTTGRXRI-00486-00107072-00107199 yellow UteeTTGRXRI-00487-00107200-00107390 since antiquity and certainly throughout UteeTTGRXRI-00488-00107391-00107615 the middle ages they linked it to all UteeTTGRXRI-00489-00107616-00107863 kinds of outcasts so we often see UteeTTGRXRI-00490-00107864-00108119 artists painting judas the the apostle UteeTTGRXRI-00491-00108120-00108383 who obviously portrayed christ in yellow UteeTTGRXRI-00492-00108383-00108671 garments and officials meanwhile often UteeTTGRXRI-00493-00108672-00108927 made prostitutes debtors UteeTTGRXRI-00494-00108928-00109151 heretics and of course most famously UteeTTGRXRI-00495-00109152-00109447 jews wear yellow garments or symbols to UteeTTGRXRI-00496-00109448-00109599 mark them out as other and of course UteeTTGRXRI-00497-00109600-00109839 this is something that nazis revived in UteeTTGRXRI-00498-00109840-00110119 the early 1940s UteeTTGRXRI-00499-00110120-00110295 insisting that jews in particular wear UteeTTGRXRI-00500-00110296-00110527 these yellow badges UteeTTGRXRI-00501-00110528-00110783 but the color that emerged i suppose UteeTTGRXRI-00502-00110783-00111071 with with most credit in medieval europe UteeTTGRXRI-00503-00111072-00111166 was UteeTTGRXRI-00504-00111167-00111327 blue UteeTTGRXRI-00505-00111328-00111478 now blue is a really funny one because UteeTTGRXRI-00506-00111479-00111719 blue is now the most popular color in UteeTTGRXRI-00507-00111720-00111983 the world in every single color country UteeTTGRXRI-00508-00111983-00112183 survey after survey shows the blue is by UteeTTGRXRI-00509-00112183-00112366 far the most popular color by a huge UteeTTGRXRI-00510-00112367-00112615 margin 30 or 40 percent of people rate UteeTTGRXRI-00511-00112616-00112823 blue as their favorite color but it UteeTTGRXRI-00512-00112824-00113007 actually played a very marginal role in UteeTTGRXRI-00513-00113008-00113223 earlier societies UteeTTGRXRI-00514-00113224-00113383 um it was UteeTTGRXRI-00515-00113383-00113639 one of the last basic colors UteeTTGRXRI-00516-00113640-00113839 to be named in every human language for UteeTTGRXRI-00517-00113840-00114039 much of history people didn't even have UteeTTGRXRI-00518-00114040-00114254 a word for it so it's well known for UteeTTGRXRI-00519-00114255-00114415 instance that homer UteeTTGRXRI-00520-00114416-00114686 of iliad and odyssey fame UteeTTGRXRI-00521-00114688-00114919 never once used the word blue he called UteeTTGRXRI-00522-00114920-00115102 the the blue mediterranean sea he called UteeTTGRXRI-00523-00115103-00115358 it wine dark instead UteeTTGRXRI-00524-00115359-00115607 and we see a similar absence in UteeTTGRXRI-00525-00115608-00115807 in art and culture as well you know the UteeTTGRXRI-00526-00115808-00116023 thing about blue is that though blue is UteeTTGRXRI-00527-00116024-00116183 everywhere in some ways we have blue UteeTTGRXRI-00528-00116183-00116454 skies and blue seas and blue horizons UteeTTGRXRI-00529-00116455-00116607 there are actually UteeTTGRXRI-00530-00116608-00116983 very few tangible blue things in nature UteeTTGRXRI-00531-00116983-00117223 there are very few blue plants or blue UteeTTGRXRI-00532-00117224-00117439 minerals blue animals and so because of UteeTTGRXRI-00533-00117440-00117663 that it became very very difficult UteeTTGRXRI-00534-00117664-00118039 to manufacture really good blue colors UteeTTGRXRI-00535-00118040-00118247 uh by the middle ages there were some UteeTTGRXRI-00536-00118248-00118463 blue dyes there was indigo and woad for UteeTTGRXRI-00537-00118464-00118654 instance there were some blue pigments UteeTTGRXRI-00538-00118655-00118863 azerite and cobalt but none of them were UteeTTGRXRI-00539-00118864-00118990 quite right UteeTTGRXRI-00540-00118991-00119127 and it was only really in the second UteeTTGRXRI-00541-00119128-00119319 half of the middle ages UteeTTGRXRI-00542-00119320-00119407 when UteeTTGRXRI-00543-00119408-00119654 uh europeans i think discovered this new UteeTTGRXRI-00544-00119655-00119990 blue pigment that surpassed even tyrion UteeTTGRXRI-00545-00119991-00120358 purple uh for splendor UteeTTGRXRI-00546-00120359-00120543 and i think everyone knows what i'm UteeTTGRXRI-00547-00120544-00120727 talking about i'm talking about this UteeTTGRXRI-00548-00120728-00120966 product called lapis lazuli this was an UteeTTGRXRI-00549-00120967-00121223 extremely rare stone that for much of UteeTTGRXRI-00550-00121224-00121383 its history could only be found in one UteeTTGRXRI-00551-00121383-00121623 mountain in afghanistan and you know UteeTTGRXRI-00552-00121624-00121854 lapis lazuli really does look when you UteeTTGRXRI-00553-00121855-00122054 look at it raw as it comes out of the UteeTTGRXRI-00554-00122055-00122247 the quarry it really looks like a UteeTTGRXRI-00555-00122248-00122463 fragment of the sky it's got this UteeTTGRXRI-00556-00122464-00122631 beautiful deep blue UteeTTGRXRI-00557-00122632-00122927 uh celestial color it's got these white UteeTTGRXRI-00558-00122928-00123223 calcite clouds these golden pyrite stars UteeTTGRXRI-00559-00123224-00123423 so it really does look like a fragment UteeTTGRXRI-00560-00123424-00123583 of the firmament and europeans were UteeTTGRXRI-00561-00123583-00123719 convinced that this UteeTTGRXRI-00562-00123720-00123927 this celestial stone had miraculous UteeTTGRXRI-00563-00123928-00124190 properties so they they used it almost UteeTTGRXRI-00564-00124191-00124478 always unsuccessfully it must be said UteeTTGRXRI-00565-00124479-00124558 to UteeTTGRXRI-00566-00124559-00124847 uh heal warts and ulcers UteeTTGRXRI-00567-00124848-00124919 to UteeTTGRXRI-00568-00124920-00125143 manage menstruation and urinary tract UteeTTGRXRI-00569-00125144-00125423 infections to treat fevers and cataracts UteeTTGRXRI-00570-00125424-00125551 and depression UteeTTGRXRI-00571-00125552-00125719 and of course it was also the sole UteeTTGRXRI-00572-00125720-00125919 source of this exceptional blue pigment UteeTTGRXRI-00573-00125920-00126143 although extracting that pigment from UteeTTGRXRI-00574-00126144-00126431 this very impure stone was extremely UteeTTGRXRI-00575-00126432-00126551 difficult so UteeTTGRXRI-00576-00126552-00126854 around 1200 this new recipe emerges that UteeTTGRXRI-00577-00126855-00127095 involves grinding the stone into a UteeTTGRXRI-00578-00127096-00127327 powder mixing it with resin and gum and UteeTTGRXRI-00579-00127328-00127534 linseed oil and wax to form a dough UteeTTGRXRI-00580-00127535-00127790 kneading the dough for several days then UteeTTGRXRI-00581-00127791-00128007 submerging it in a light solution and UteeTTGRXRI-00582-00128008-00128207 trying desperately to get only the blue UteeTTGRXRI-00583-00128208-00128375 bits out of the solution but when they UteeTTGRXRI-00584-00128376-00128623 did that after days and days of work UteeTTGRXRI-00585-00128624-00128790 the results were extraordinary and and UteeTTGRXRI-00586-00128791-00129047 the product when finished was given UteeTTGRXRI-00587-00129048-00129231 what is probably the most UteeTTGRXRI-00588-00129232-00129414 i suppose evocative name in the history UteeTTGRXRI-00589-00129415-00129654 of color it was called atsura ultra UteeTTGRXRI-00590-00129655-00129799 marino UteeTTGRXRI-00591-00129800-00130023 ultramarine as we know which in italian UteeTTGRXRI-00592-00130024-00130278 meant overseas because the raw material UteeTTGRXRI-00593-00130279-00130551 lapis lazuli came from a long way away UteeTTGRXRI-00594-00130552-00130766 in afghanistan UteeTTGRXRI-00595-00130767-00130975 and like other exotic products like UteeTTGRXRI-00596-00130976-00131239 tyrion purple it did not come cheap it UteeTTGRXRI-00597-00131240-00131423 you know it cost up to a hundred times UteeTTGRXRI-00598-00131424-00131639 more than other pigments on the market UteeTTGRXRI-00599-00131640-00131831 in fact i did some more digging to try UteeTTGRXRI-00600-00131832-00132047 to work out the prices and i found that UteeTTGRXRI-00601-00132048-00132263 in 1515 UteeTTGRXRI-00602-00132264-00132439 the florentine artist UteeTTGRXRI-00603-00132440-00132607 andrea del salto UteeTTGRXRI-00604-00132608-00132871 paid five florins for an ounce of UteeTTGRXRI-00605-00132872-00133102 ultramarine uh and i did some UteeTTGRXRI-00606-00133103-00133271 calculations and i worked out that that UteeTTGRXRI-00607-00133272-00133478 equated just for one ounce of UteeTTGRXRI-00608-00133479-00133783 ultramarine that equated to five years UteeTTGRXRI-00609-00133784-00133878 rent UteeTTGRXRI-00610-00133879-00134111 for a laborer living outside the city so UteeTTGRXRI-00611-00134112-00134271 that gives you an impression of how out UteeTTGRXRI-00612-00134272-00134487 of reach some of the most exotic UteeTTGRXRI-00613-00134488-00134863 pigments once were for ordinary people UteeTTGRXRI-00614-00134864-00134975 now the most UteeTTGRXRI-00615-00134976-00135239 famous use of ultramarine in history uh UteeTTGRXRI-00616-00135240-00135502 is probably this UteeTTGRXRI-00617-00135503-00135695 barnstorming painting in the national UteeTTGRXRI-00618-00135696-00135799 gallery UteeTTGRXRI-00619-00135800-00136054 um titians bakas and ariadne and it UteeTTGRXRI-00620-00136055-00136199 captures the UteeTTGRXRI-00621-00136200-00136439 explosive moment when UteeTTGRXRI-00622-00136440-00136743 bacchus leading this ragbag of revelers UteeTTGRXRI-00623-00136744-00137087 first sets eyes on a heartbroken ariadne UteeTTGRXRI-00624-00137088-00137351 she has just been abandoned by theseus UteeTTGRXRI-00625-00137352-00137527 who on the left of the picture sails off UteeTTGRXRI-00626-00137528-00137735 across the horizon without her backus UteeTTGRXRI-00627-00137736-00137902 falls instantly in love with her he UteeTTGRXRI-00628-00137903-00138078 marries her on the spot he transforms UteeTTGRXRI-00629-00138079-00138327 her into a deity like himself so it's an UteeTTGRXRI-00630-00138328-00138583 exuberant and romantic picture but UteeTTGRXRI-00631-00138584-00138775 i think it's popularity its enduring UteeTTGRXRI-00632-00138776-00139127 popularity is above all ode to color but UteeTTGRXRI-00633-00139128-00139351 titian was given a huge amount of money UteeTTGRXRI-00634-00139352-00139590 by his patron to to paint this picture UteeTTGRXRI-00635-00139591-00139807 so he spent it on the most expensive UteeTTGRXRI-00636-00139808-00140054 pigments that money could buy in 16th UteeTTGRXRI-00637-00140055-00140271 century dennis so we have them all here UteeTTGRXRI-00638-00140272-00140543 on on the canvas so the the trees are UteeTTGRXRI-00639-00140544-00140743 made from a very expensive green called UteeTTGRXRI-00640-00140744-00140895 malachite green UteeTTGRXRI-00641-00140896-00141102 there's a little yellow cloth in the UteeTTGRXRI-00642-00141103-00141302 foreground called it's made from the UteeTTGRXRI-00643-00141303-00141478 very highest UteeTTGRXRI-00644-00141479-00141647 best lead tin yellow UteeTTGRXRI-00645-00141648-00141863 the oranges are made from grialgar and UteeTTGRXRI-00646-00141864-00142135 orpam these beautiful exotic expensive UteeTTGRXRI-00647-00142136-00142478 but quite toxic oranges from china UteeTTGRXRI-00648-00142479-00142719 the finest crimson is used on bacchus is UteeTTGRXRI-00649-00142720-00142959 cloaked the finest vermilion is used on UteeTTGRXRI-00650-00142960-00143199 ariadne's sash and of course the the UteeTTGRXRI-00651-00143200-00143399 king of colors in this picture is UteeTTGRXRI-00652-00143400-00143711 ultramarine uh which covers what almost UteeTTGRXRI-00653-00143712-00144023 a third of the canvas the the blue sky UteeTTGRXRI-00654-00144024-00144254 and it is actually as far as scholars UteeTTGRXRI-00655-00144255-00144478 have worked out it's one of the purest UteeTTGRXRI-00656-00144479-00144671 examples of the pigment ever discovered UteeTTGRXRI-00657-00144672-00144887 in the history of art so the cost alone UteeTTGRXRI-00658-00144888-00145063 would have been astronomical and it must UteeTTGRXRI-00659-00145064-00145343 have been so exciting petition to be UteeTTGRXRI-00660-00145344-00145559 able to take this elusive color of the UteeTTGRXRI-00661-00145560-00145719 sky and the sea UteeTTGRXRI-00662-00145720-00145911 and this extraordinarily luxurious UteeTTGRXRI-00663-00145912-00146126 expensive product and then to use it UteeTTGRXRI-00664-00146127-00146559 with such abundance in his art UteeTTGRXRI-00665-00146560-00146847 and yet in some ways despite the despite UteeTTGRXRI-00666-00146848-00147111 the obvious delights of color UteeTTGRXRI-00667-00147112-00147335 some europeans opticians generation had UteeTTGRXRI-00668-00147336-00147511 already started to UteeTTGRXRI-00669-00147512-00147719 i suppose turn their backs on color by UteeTTGRXRI-00670-00147720-00147847 this stage UteeTTGRXRI-00671-00147848-00147999 many of them have been inspired by the UteeTTGRXRI-00672-00148000-00148359 rediscovery of ancient greek and roman UteeTTGRXRI-00673-00148360-00148583 statues now greek and roman statues as UteeTTGRXRI-00674-00148584-00148814 we all know now were originally brightly UteeTTGRXRI-00675-00148815-00149087 colored but over the years they lost UteeTTGRXRI-00676-00149088-00149199 those colors and when they were UteeTTGRXRI-00677-00149200-00149383 rediscovered in the in the renaissance UteeTTGRXRI-00678-00149384-00149566 and in the in the in the UteeTTGRXRI-00679-00149567-00149807 subsequent centuries most of them were UteeTTGRXRI-00680-00149808-00150031 back to their sort of plain unadorned UteeTTGRXRI-00681-00150032-00150207 pale marble UteeTTGRXRI-00682-00150208-00150414 and i think because of this a number of UteeTTGRXRI-00683-00150415-00150631 artists and michelangelo as a famous UteeTTGRXRI-00684-00150632-00150935 example started to advance this UteeTTGRXRI-00685-00150936-00151207 aesthetic of whiteness the plain whitish UteeTTGRXRI-00686-00151208-00151431 things were the best things to make and UteeTTGRXRI-00687-00151432-00151599 of course since ancient times white had UteeTTGRXRI-00688-00151600-00151863 been associated with moral and spiritual UteeTTGRXRI-00689-00151864-00152095 and physical purity but in europe really UteeTTGRXRI-00690-00152096-00152271 from the 16th century onwards and UteeTTGRXRI-00691-00152272-00152559 growing in the 17th and 18th centuries UteeTTGRXRI-00692-00152560-00152823 it also became associated with good UteeTTGRXRI-00693-00152824-00152999 taste UteeTTGRXRI-00694-00153000-00153247 so you know many philosophers many UteeTTGRXRI-00695-00153248-00153583 theorists repeatedly argued that UteeTTGRXRI-00696-00153584-00153847 bright colors were childish UteeTTGRXRI-00697-00153848-00154143 feminine primitive while simple white UteeTTGRXRI-00698-00154144-00154302 things were really noble and UteeTTGRXRI-00699-00154303-00154471 sophisticated UteeTTGRXRI-00700-00154472-00154623 now it was a completely ludicrous UteeTTGRXRI-00701-00154624-00154854 assertion but i think in some ways it it UteeTTGRXRI-00702-00154855-00155031 does remain with us because you know i UteeTTGRXRI-00703-00155032-00155326 think we still do harbor a view UteeTTGRXRI-00704-00155327-00155447 that UteeTTGRXRI-00705-00155448-00155726 a minimalist white interior or UteeTTGRXRI-00706-00155727-00155999 an austere abstraction or a colorless UteeTTGRXRI-00707-00156000-00156359 white device uh or appliance is somehow UteeTTGRXRI-00708-00156360-00156623 is somehow classier than one that comes UteeTTGRXRI-00709-00156624-00156814 in gordy and garish colors we still i UteeTTGRXRI-00710-00156815-00157039 think believe ultimately with regards to UteeTTGRXRI-00711-00157040-00157399 color at least that less is more UteeTTGRXRI-00712-00157400-00157559 um but of course it's important to say UteeTTGRXRI-00713-00157560-00157719 that you know the european taste for UteeTTGRXRI-00714-00157720-00158135 whiteness didn't only have aesthetic UteeTTGRXRI-00715-00158136-00158366 aesthetic consequences it had huge UteeTTGRXRI-00716-00158367-00158543 social and political ramifications as UteeTTGRXRI-00717-00158544-00158743 well particularly with regard to race UteeTTGRXRI-00718-00158744-00158935 maybe that's something we can discuss UteeTTGRXRI-00719-00158936-00159175 later on UteeTTGRXRI-00720-00159176-00159414 now if europeans went through a period UteeTTGRXRI-00721-00159415-00159614 of what some have called chromophobia UteeTTGRXRI-00722-00159615-00159799 this fear of color this resistance to UteeTTGRXRI-00723-00159800-00160063 color through the 16th 17th 18th UteeTTGRXRI-00724-00160064-00160271 centuries really by the 19th century UteeTTGRXRI-00725-00160272-00160478 they've very much emphatically come out UteeTTGRXRI-00726-00160479-00160654 of it now UteeTTGRXRI-00727-00160655-00160831 they've only been i think UteeTTGRXRI-00728-00160832-00160990 a few real UteeTTGRXRI-00729-00160991-00161302 um how can i put it quantum leaps UteeTTGRXRI-00730-00161303-00161390 in UteeTTGRXRI-00731-00161391-00161575 the history of color so one might have UteeTTGRXRI-00732-00161576-00161775 come in ancient egypt perhaps in UteeTTGRXRI-00733-00161776-00161966 medieval china perhaps in renaissance UteeTTGRXRI-00734-00161967-00162190 venice but perhaps the most fundamental UteeTTGRXRI-00735-00162191-00162454 leap of all took place actually in 1850s UteeTTGRXRI-00736-00162455-00162687 europe and probably to be more specific UteeTTGRXRI-00737-00162688-00162983 1850s london because that was when the UteeTTGRXRI-00738-00162984-00163271 modern chemists and the the subcanni UteeTTGRXRI-00739-00163272-00163487 businessmen of the industrial revolution UteeTTGRXRI-00740-00163488-00163759 work together to completely transform UteeTTGRXRI-00741-00163760-00164023 the range of colors available to us and UteeTTGRXRI-00742-00164024-00164151 i think that breakthrough moment is UteeTTGRXRI-00743-00164152-00164351 often believed to have come UteeTTGRXRI-00744-00164352-00164638 in the spring of 1856 when an 18 year UteeTTGRXRI-00745-00164639-00164726 old UteeTTGRXRI-00746-00164727-00164887 amateur chemist called william henry UteeTTGRXRI-00747-00164888-00165151 perkin conducted was conducting some UteeTTGRXRI-00748-00165152-00165359 experiments in his parents spare room in UteeTTGRXRI-00749-00165360-00165575 shadwell when he by mistake invented UteeTTGRXRI-00750-00165576-00165814 this extraordinarily bright purple UteeTTGRXRI-00751-00165815-00166063 synthetic dye now he originally named it UteeTTGRXRI-00752-00166064-00166271 tyrion purple as you would UteeTTGRXRI-00753-00166272-00166526 um but by the beginning of 1858 he was UteeTTGRXRI-00754-00166527-00166678 mass producing the product under the UteeTTGRXRI-00755-00166679-00166895 name move UteeTTGRXRI-00756-00166896-00167126 now move became a sensation you know UteeTTGRXRI-00757-00167127-00167319 queen victoria started wearing it UteeTTGRXRI-00758-00167320-00167495 empress usually started wearing then the UteeTTGRXRI-00759-00167496-00167647 aristocracy started wearing then the UteeTTGRXRI-00760-00167648-00167919 middle classes by 1859 it was everywhere UteeTTGRXRI-00761-00167920-00168087 it was being likened to a contagious UteeTTGRXRI-00762-00168088-00168359 disease punch magazine was uh writing UteeTTGRXRI-00763-00168360-00168495 about um UteeTTGRXRI-00764-00168496-00168711 move mania you know it was being used in UteeTTGRXRI-00765-00168712-00168966 morning suits and store uniforms and and UteeTTGRXRI-00766-00168967-00169214 and wallpapers and leather-bound books UteeTTGRXRI-00767-00169215-00169438 and sweets and confectionary even UteeTTGRXRI-00768-00169439-00169607 billions of postage stamps were being UteeTTGRXRI-00769-00169608-00169783 printed in mode UteeTTGRXRI-00770-00169784-00169935 and i think it's interesting because for UteeTTGRXRI-00771-00169936-00170214 so long purple light blue to some extent UteeTTGRXRI-00772-00170215-00170399 had been this rare luxurious color a UteeTTGRXRI-00773-00170400-00170654 color that was really hard to produce UteeTTGRXRI-00774-00170655-00170990 but in the 1860s all kinds of purples or UteeTTGRXRI-00775-00170991-00171319 purpley synthetic dyes appeared UteeTTGRXRI-00776-00171320-00171623 from move to magenta to regina purple to UteeTTGRXRI-00777-00171624-00171854 palma violet UteeTTGRXRI-00778-00171855-00172031 and you know something we UteeTTGRXRI-00779-00172032-00172254 we often think UteeTTGRXRI-00780-00172255-00172599 that the past is less colorful UteeTTGRXRI-00781-00172600-00172799 than the present partly because i think UteeTTGRXRI-00782-00172800-00173007 we're so used to seeing it in black and UteeTTGRXRI-00783-00173008-00173247 white photographs um but i think the UteeTTGRXRI-00784-00173248-00173559 inventions of the 1850s and 60s give the UteeTTGRXRI-00785-00173560-00173766 lie to such assumptions they remind us UteeTTGRXRI-00786-00173767-00174190 that the 19th century was saturated with UteeTTGRXRI-00787-00174191-00174343 color UteeTTGRXRI-00788-00174344-00174551 and particularly purple and by the end UteeTTGRXRI-00789-00174552-00174759 of the 19th century UteeTTGRXRI-00790-00174760-00174871 purple UteeTTGRXRI-00791-00174872-00175166 um which was once an ancient imperial UteeTTGRXRI-00792-00175167-00175319 color with all those connotations of UteeTTGRXRI-00793-00175320-00175607 tyrion purple had become a symbol really UteeTTGRXRI-00794-00175608-00175751 important symbol i think of the UteeTTGRXRI-00795-00175752-00175951 industrial revolution itself for good UteeTTGRXRI-00796-00175952-00176151 and for that so you know on the one hand UteeTTGRXRI-00797-00176152-00176375 it captured the brilliance and ingenuity UteeTTGRXRI-00798-00176376-00176543 of modern science and manufacturing but UteeTTGRXRI-00799-00176544-00176807 on the other hand it epitomized a world UteeTTGRXRI-00800-00176808-00177047 of capitalist extravagance and toxic UteeTTGRXRI-00801-00177048-00177311 chemicals and so that is why in the UteeTTGRXRI-00802-00177312-00177543 years around 1900 you start to see UteeTTGRXRI-00803-00177544-00177814 people really associating purple with UteeTTGRXRI-00804-00177815-00177935 pollution UteeTTGRXRI-00805-00177936-00178143 with toxicity and there's one book i UteeTTGRXRI-00806-00178144-00178447 discussed uh in in in my book a UteeTTGRXRI-00807-00178448-00178751 remarkable novel called the purple cloud UteeTTGRXRI-00808-00178752-00178966 written by a very strange man called mp UteeTTGRXRI-00809-00178967-00179223 shiel i think in 1901 UteeTTGRXRI-00810-00179224-00179471 it describes this huge purple cloud that UteeTTGRXRI-00811-00179472-00179671 spreads across the world UteeTTGRXRI-00812-00179672-00179935 and kills pretty much the entire human UteeTTGRXRI-00813-00179936-00180175 population so there's a real sense UteeTTGRXRI-00814-00180176-00180351 of purple being toxic by the end of the UteeTTGRXRI-00815-00180352-00180495 19th century and being a form of UteeTTGRXRI-00816-00180496-00180631 pollution UteeTTGRXRI-00817-00180632-00180943 although not everyone was worried um UteeTTGRXRI-00818-00180944-00181166 you know claude money for instance for UteeTTGRXRI-00819-00181167-00181375 his part he traveled to london to paint UteeTTGRXRI-00820-00181376-00181623 the pollution to paint the purple smog UteeTTGRXRI-00821-00181624-00181895 he saw hanging over the city and he UteeTTGRXRI-00822-00181896-00182054 thought it was one of the most beautiful UteeTTGRXRI-00823-00182055-00182478 things he had ever witnessed UteeTTGRXRI-00824-00182479-00182831 i think this brings us quite smoothly to UteeTTGRXRI-00825-00182832-00183102 uh the final color in my book and this UteeTTGRXRI-00826-00183103-00183311 talk i think and the color i think that UteeTTGRXRI-00827-00183312-00183495 in many respects UteeTTGRXRI-00828-00183496-00183719 represents the defining issue UteeTTGRXRI-00829-00183720-00183863 of our own time UteeTTGRXRI-00830-00183864-00184071 because the industrialization of human UteeTTGRXRI-00831-00184072-00184319 society i've just discussed had as we UteeTTGRXRI-00832-00184320-00184559 all know now a momentous impact on our UteeTTGRXRI-00833-00184560-00184751 planet and one that's growing with every UteeTTGRXRI-00834-00184752-00184883 passing UteeTTGRXRI-00835-00184884-00185175 year the color green of course has has UteeTTGRXRI-00836-00185176-00185399 long been associated UteeTTGRXRI-00837-00185400-00185623 with nature more for more than a billion UteeTTGRXRI-00838-00185624-00185863 years in fact because chlorophyll UteeTTGRXRI-00839-00185864-00186023 the pigment responsible for UteeTTGRXRI-00840-00186024-00186319 photosynthesis in plants is green UteeTTGRXRI-00841-00186320-00186550 um but it's really only in the last 50 UteeTTGRXRI-00842-00186551-00186735 years or so that we have come to UteeTTGRXRI-00843-00186736-00186959 identify the color green the color of UteeTTGRXRI-00844-00186960-00187159 chlorophyll with the environmental UteeTTGRXRI-00845-00187160-00187366 crisis the environmental revolution you UteeTTGRXRI-00846-00187367-00187559 know the so-called green movement has UteeTTGRXRI-00847-00187560-00187766 been gathering momentum since the late UteeTTGRXRI-00848-00187767-00188031 1960s early 1970s and it's now virtually UteeTTGRXRI-00849-00188032-00188238 impossible to avoid UteeTTGRXRI-00850-00188239-00188438 green's environmental connections we are UteeTTGRXRI-00851-00188439-00188631 perpetually behind aren't we to buy UteeTTGRXRI-00852-00188632-00188878 green to go green to think green and i UteeTTGRXRI-00853-00188879-00189071 think really green has become a key word UteeTTGRXRI-00854-00189072-00189295 of our times an ideology of our times UteeTTGRXRI-00855-00189296-00189414 loaded UteeTTGRXRI-00856-00189415-00189743 in the way that gender or sexuality or UteeTTGRXRI-00857-00189744-00190150 nation race or ethnicity are UteeTTGRXRI-00858-00190151-00190311 but it's funny though when we when we UteeTTGRXRI-00859-00190312-00190559 think of climate change UteeTTGRXRI-00860-00190560-00190775 we typically think of the world becoming UteeTTGRXRI-00861-00190776-00191031 less green and yet the opposite UteeTTGRXRI-00862-00191032-00191278 so far is the case because over the last UteeTTGRXRI-00863-00191279-00191487 35 years or so UteeTTGRXRI-00864-00191488-00191702 largely as a result of warming UteeTTGRXRI-00865-00191703-00192047 temperatures and rising co2 levels UteeTTGRXRI-00866-00192048-00192319 18 million square kilometers of new UteeTTGRXRI-00867-00192320-00192471 vegetation has appeared on this planet UteeTTGRXRI-00868-00192472-00192647 that's an area roughly twice the size of UteeTTGRXRI-00869-00192648-00192854 the united states so the earth UteeTTGRXRI-00870-00192855-00192990 surprisingly UteeTTGRXRI-00871-00192991-00193263 is greener today than it has been for UteeTTGRXRI-00872-00193264-00193431 millennia for all the wrong reasons of UteeTTGRXRI-00873-00193432-00193599 course but it is greener today than it UteeTTGRXRI-00874-00193600-00193790 has been for many thousands of years UteeTTGRXRI-00875-00193791-00194007 although what color it will turn in the UteeTTGRXRI-00876-00194008-00194199 long run remains UteeTTGRXRI-00877-00194200-00194463 uh deeply uncertain and will in part UteeTTGRXRI-00878-00194464-00194683 depend on how we change our UteeTTGRXRI-00879-00194684-00194983 behavior i fear i have uh pretty much UteeTTGRXRI-00880-00194984-00195150 run out of time but i thought i would UteeTTGRXRI-00881-00195151-00195302 just conclude by UteeTTGRXRI-00882-00195303-00195463 by trying to say what do i hope readers UteeTTGRXRI-00883-00195464-00195695 will take from this book well UteeTTGRXRI-00884-00195696-00195911 above all i think i want readers and UteeTTGRXRI-00885-00195912-00196071 anyone UteeTTGRXRI-00886-00196072-00196335 to look at the world more closely UteeTTGRXRI-00887-00196336-00196550 uh as a result of reading this book you UteeTTGRXRI-00888-00196551-00196687 know the philosopher jean-jacques UteeTTGRXRI-00889-00196688-00196935 rousseau he once said that um the UteeTTGRXRI-00890-00196936-00197119 hardest things to see UteeTTGRXRI-00891-00197120-00197326 are the things we see every day UteeTTGRXRI-00892-00197327-00197583 and i think color is one of those things UteeTTGRXRI-00893-00197584-00197783 uh it's UteeTTGRXRI-00894-00197784-00197999 so ubiquitous it's so much a part of UteeTTGRXRI-00895-00198000-00198263 life and technology has made colors so UteeTTGRXRI-00896-00198264-00198502 plentiful and so easily reproduce that UteeTTGRXRI-00897-00198503-00198759 we take color for granted you know we UteeTTGRXRI-00898-00198760-00198959 can buy products in almost any color we UteeTTGRXRI-00899-00198960-00199063 like UteeTTGRXRI-00900-00199064-00199335 home decorators have so many colors to UteeTTGRXRI-00901-00199336-00199559 choose from that that they can't even UteeTTGRXRI-00902-00199560-00199647 have UteeTTGRXRI-00903-00199648-00199807 sensible names for them you know think UteeTTGRXRI-00904-00199808-00200031 of elephant's breath for instance UteeTTGRXRI-00905-00200032-00200231 um and i've got one other example here UteeTTGRXRI-00906-00200232-00200543 this is my son's box of crayons let me UteeTTGRXRI-00907-00200544-00200783 open it UteeTTGRXRI-00908-00200784-00201023 there you are a few centuries ago UteeTTGRXRI-00909-00201024-00201214 a product like this UteeTTGRXRI-00910-00201215-00201399 which reproduces pretty much every color UteeTTGRXRI-00911-00201400-00201566 in the spectrum and lines it up and puts UteeTTGRXRI-00912-00201567-00201759 it in a box that you can buy would have UteeTTGRXRI-00913-00201760-00202023 sent alchemists and emperors into UteeTTGRXRI-00914-00202024-00202190 raptures artists would have gone crazy UteeTTGRXRI-00915-00202191-00202350 for it people might have fought wars UteeTTGRXRI-00916-00202351-00202543 over it nowadays it's little more than a UteeTTGRXRI-00917-00202544-00202854 children's toy so i do hope that after UteeTTGRXRI-00918-00202855-00202983 reading this book UteeTTGRXRI-00919-00202984-00203271 people will find more wonder in their UteeTTGRXRI-00920-00203272-00203511 surroundings even in banal things like UteeTTGRXRI-00921-00203512-00203726 boxes of crayons or the myriad greens UteeTTGRXRI-00922-00203727-00203926 and a piece of broccoli or the shades of UteeTTGRXRI-00923-00203927-00204183 brown on a flat white or indeed the the UteeTTGRXRI-00924-00204184-00204463 colors of an annoying fly UteeTTGRXRI-00925-00204464-00204678 and i think in the end UteeTTGRXRI-00926-00204679-00204903 we should never forget UteeTTGRXRI-00927-00204904-00205142 that we as humans UteeTTGRXRI-00928-00205144-00205271 are UteeTTGRXRI-00929-00205271-00205398 ultimately UteeTTGRXRI-00930-00205400-00205582 inseparable from color UteeTTGRXRI-00931-00205583-00205879 because every hue we see around us is UteeTTGRXRI-00932-00205880-00206119 actually manufactured within us it's UteeTTGRXRI-00933-00206119-00206310 manufactured in the same gray matter UteeTTGRXRI-00934-00206311-00206503 that forms our language that stores our UteeTTGRXRI-00935-00206504-00206686 memories that stokes emotions that UteeTTGRXRI-00936-00206687-00206855 shapes thoughts that gives rise to UteeTTGRXRI-00937-00206856-00207031 consciousness itself UteeTTGRXRI-00938-00207032-00207319 and to pardon the pun color is UteeTTGRXRI-00939-00207319-00207575 a pigment of the imagination UteeTTGRXRI-00940-00207576-00207806 that we paint all over the world and i UteeTTGRXRI-00941-00207807-00207990 think it might well be UteeTTGRXRI-00942-00207991-00208310 the greatest human creation of them all UteeTTGRXRI-00943-00208311-00208542 thank you UteeTTGRXRI-00944-00208544-00208782 that was such a fascinating conversation UteeTTGRXRI-00945-00208783-00209006 that covers so many different areas UteeTTGRXRI-00946-00209007-00209231 and and before i get into my own UteeTTGRXRI-00947-00209232-00209414 questions with james i just want to UteeTTGRXRI-00948-00209415-00209575 remind everyone to please do send them UteeTTGRXRI-00949-00209576-00209798 your questions down below UteeTTGRXRI-00950-00209800-00209998 and so yeah let's get right into it UteeTTGRXRI-00951-00210000-00210127 because there's so many different things UteeTTGRXRI-00952-00210128-00210327 to cover and it's it's just really UteeTTGRXRI-00953-00210328-00210439 interesting UteeTTGRXRI-00954-00210440-00210663 and the first thing i noticed is that UteeTTGRXRI-00955-00210664-00210958 there was one color of the kind of main UteeTTGRXRI-00956-00210959-00211127 colors of the rainbow i guess that was UteeTTGRXRI-00957-00211128-00211382 missing and that's orange and i was just UteeTTGRXRI-00958-00211383-00211575 wondering if you could explain why maybe UteeTTGRXRI-00959-00211576-00211823 orange didn't make the cut i would have UteeTTGRXRI-00960-00211823-00211991 loved to write about orange i would have UteeTTGRXRI-00961-00211992-00212167 loved to write about gray i would have UteeTTGRXRI-00962-00212167-00212446 loved to write about brown um but in the UteeTTGRXRI-00963-00212448-00212710 end i i made the decision that UteeTTGRXRI-00964-00212711-00212887 the number of chapters i wanted to write UteeTTGRXRI-00965-00212888-00213134 was seven and i did that for a reason i UteeTTGRXRI-00966-00213135-00213334 did that because i think seven is UteeTTGRXRI-00967-00213335-00213534 a particularly meaningful color in human UteeTTGRXRI-00968-00213535-00213694 history you think of uh you know the UteeTTGRXRI-00969-00213696-00213879 seven days of the week the seven ages of UteeTTGRXRI-00970-00213880-00214087 man the seven cardinal sins the seven UteeTTGRXRI-00971-00214088-00214294 virtues and of course the seven colors UteeTTGRXRI-00972-00214296-00214534 that isaac newton uh identified on the UteeTTGRXRI-00973-00214535-00214742 spectrum so i thought seven had seven UteeTTGRXRI-00974-00214744-00214894 felt like the right UteeTTGRXRI-00975-00214896-00215119 color at the the right number of colors UteeTTGRXRI-00976-00215119-00215439 to choose um but what i did try to do UteeTTGRXRI-00977-00215440-00215703 a where possible was to allude to other UteeTTGRXRI-00978-00215704-00215846 colors within UteeTTGRXRI-00979-00215848-00216094 those colors i've chosen so my chapter UteeTTGRXRI-00980-00216096-00216358 on yellow does deal with quite a lot of UteeTTGRXRI-00981-00216359-00216615 orangey substances so i deal with UteeTTGRXRI-00982-00216616-00216775 saffron for instance which is probably UteeTTGRXRI-00983-00216776-00216975 more orange than it is yellow i deal UteeTTGRXRI-00984-00216976-00217223 with gold which is a you know not UteeTTGRXRI-00985-00217223-00217446 strictly yellow either and in purple i UteeTTGRXRI-00986-00217448-00217598 deal with colors all the way through UteeTTGRXRI-00987-00217600-00217855 from magenta through to indigo so i do UteeTTGRXRI-00988-00217856-00218046 try to allude to the broader range of UteeTTGRXRI-00989-00218048-00218246 colors but you know this book took me so UteeTTGRXRI-00990-00218248-00218446 long to write had i added some extra UteeTTGRXRI-00991-00218448-00218575 chapters i think you know it'd have been UteeTTGRXRI-00992-00218576-00218791 another 10 years to write it UteeTTGRXRI-00993-00218792-00219206 yeah that's fair enough UteeTTGRXRI-00994-00219207-00219406 i'm sorry and so UteeTTGRXRI-00995-00219407-00219519 i guess UteeTTGRXRI-00996-00219519-00219646 now i think it would be interesting to UteeTTGRXRI-00997-00219648-00219879 talk about um colors and relationships UteeTTGRXRI-00998-00219880-00220127 to maybe some artists so for example you UteeTTGRXRI-00999-00220128-00220391 mentioned titian space and ariadne UteeTTGRXRI-01000-00220392-00220575 and there's so many colors in there and UteeTTGRXRI-01001-00220576-00220710 aside from the blue that you mentioned UteeTTGRXRI-01002-00220711-00220863 that are really interesting UteeTTGRXRI-01003-00220864-00221094 and i also have heard of titian red UteeTTGRXRI-01004-00221096-00221279 which is uh he's associated with that UteeTTGRXRI-01005-00221280-00221519 hair color that he used in his work is UteeTTGRXRI-01006-00221519-00221734 now a name for that um and i'm just UteeTTGRXRI-01007-00221735-00221871 wondering are there other artists that UteeTTGRXRI-01008-00221871-00222103 come to mind if someone says ah blue red UteeTTGRXRI-01009-00222104-00222391 black um that artists at work are known UteeTTGRXRI-01010-00222392-00222575 to work with those colors UteeTTGRXRI-01011-00222576-00222806 yes i think that i think many artists UteeTTGRXRI-01012-00222807-00223055 have had color preferences as we all do UteeTTGRXRI-01013-00223056-00223206 i mean one of the one of the most UteeTTGRXRI-01014-00223207-00223446 fascinating things i discovered in in my UteeTTGRXRI-01015-00223448-00223751 research was in an archive a manuscript UteeTTGRXRI-01016-00223752-00224031 a piece of paper that from the 1860s UteeTTGRXRI-01017-00224032-00224391 that um recorded the outcome of a UteeTTGRXRI-01018-00224392-00224694 uh an after-dinner game that was played UteeTTGRXRI-01019-00224696-00224855 quite a lot in the victorian period and UteeTTGRXRI-01020-00224856-00225055 this game was called my favorite things UteeTTGRXRI-01021-00225056-00225158 and what would happen is you would UteeTTGRXRI-01022-00225159-00225398 bombard a particular person with a UteeTTGRXRI-01023-00225400-00225567 series of quick fire questions saying UteeTTGRXRI-01024-00225567-00225694 what's your favorite food what are your UteeTTGRXRI-01025-00225696-00225839 favorite clothes what is your favorite UteeTTGRXRI-01026-00225840-00226206 activity and um and one of the the UteeTTGRXRI-01027-00226207-00226479 people who played this game was the very UteeTTGRXRI-01028-00226480-00226782 great victorian artist ford maddox brown UteeTTGRXRI-01029-00226783-00226967 and at one point he was asked what's UteeTTGRXRI-01030-00226967-00227287 your favorite color and he wrote magenta UteeTTGRXRI-01031-00227288-00227446 which was actually a very new color it UteeTTGRXRI-01032-00227448-00227582 had only been invented a few years UteeTTGRXRI-01033-00227583-00227671 earlier UteeTTGRXRI-01034-00227671-00227823 and when you actually look UteeTTGRXRI-01035-00227823-00228023 for max brown's work you see a lot of UteeTTGRXRI-01036-00228023-00228287 magenta in his work one of his most UteeTTGRXRI-01037-00228288-00228463 famous paintings is the last of england UteeTTGRXRI-01038-00228464-00228727 it's got the most incredible magenta UteeTTGRXRI-01039-00228728-00228903 ribbon in it that took him four weeks to UteeTTGRXRI-01040-00228904-00229127 paint on its own and so i think that you UteeTTGRXRI-01041-00229128-00229334 do find a number of artists being UteeTTGRXRI-01042-00229335-00229487 identified with certain colors through UteeTTGRXRI-01043-00229488-00229606 history particularly in the modern UteeTTGRXRI-01044-00229607-00229734 period so UteeTTGRXRI-01045-00229735-00229942 turner admitted UteeTTGRXRI-01046-00229944-00230087 you know that that yellow was his UteeTTGRXRI-01047-00230088-00230375 favorite color uh the impressionists UteeTTGRXRI-01048-00230376-00230494 i've already shown mono but the UteeTTGRXRI-01049-00230496-00230710 impressionists were were famed for their UteeTTGRXRI-01050-00230711-00231055 association with violets and purples UteeTTGRXRI-01051-00231056-00231294 manet was a big fan of black as he was UteeTTGRXRI-01052-00231296-00231479 inspired by velasquez he was also a fan UteeTTGRXRI-01053-00231480-00231639 of black and then in the 20th century UteeTTGRXRI-01054-00231640-00231910 you get artists with real monomanias UteeTTGRXRI-01055-00231911-00232134 devoted to to particular colors you UteeTTGRXRI-01056-00232135-00232334 could think of you know ben nicholson's UteeTTGRXRI-01057-00232335-00232631 whites and uh robert ryman's whites and UteeTTGRXRI-01058-00232632-00233071 um uh you know ad reinhardts blacks UteeTTGRXRI-01059-00233071-00233294 pierre soulages blacks UteeTTGRXRI-01060-00233296-00233455 eve klein blue UteeTTGRXRI-01061-00233456-00233703 gustav klimt's gold so i think that as UteeTTGRXRI-01062-00233704-00233839 you go through time particularly the UteeTTGRXRI-01063-00233840-00234151 modern period artists are um often UteeTTGRXRI-01064-00234152-00234294 particularly um UteeTTGRXRI-01065-00234296-00234519 uh affectionate towards UteeTTGRXRI-01066-00234519-00234823 specific colors not always but some are UteeTTGRXRI-01067-00234823-00235063 yeah and klein blue is definitely one of UteeTTGRXRI-01068-00235064-00235239 the first one that that comes to your UteeTTGRXRI-01069-00235240-00235446 mind he got his name on a color you know UteeTTGRXRI-01070-00235448-00235623 and it's still to this day quite hard to UteeTTGRXRI-01071-00235623-00235887 get your hands on a true kind of UteeTTGRXRI-01072-00235888-00236079 ultramarine blue it's still an expensive UteeTTGRXRI-01073-00236080-00236239 color to get UteeTTGRXRI-01074-00236240-00236375 yes i mean UteeTTGRXRI-01075-00236376-00236646 you know klein was a huge fan of UteeTTGRXRI-01076-00236648-00236951 ultramarine a huge fan of blue and but UteeTTGRXRI-01077-00236952-00237142 he felt that there was some problems UteeTTGRXRI-01078-00237144-00237351 with it so actually ultramarine which i UteeTTGRXRI-01079-00237352-00237519 talked about which was very hard to get UteeTTGRXRI-01080-00237519-00237751 very hard to make in the early 1800s UteeTTGRXRI-01081-00237752-00237991 there was a competition in france to try UteeTTGRXRI-01082-00237992-00238151 and create a synthetic version of UteeTTGRXRI-01083-00238152-00238358 ultramarine and someone did ultimately UteeTTGRXRI-01084-00238359-00238487 crack several people actually at the UteeTTGRXRI-01085-00238488-00238719 same time cracked this synthetic UteeTTGRXRI-01086-00238719-00238910 ultramarine that's the color we still UteeTTGRXRI-01087-00238911-00239119 use today when you see in your box of UteeTTGRXRI-01088-00239119-00239303 oil paints you see ultramarine that's UteeTTGRXRI-01089-00239304-00239542 synthetic ultramarine but eve klein felt UteeTTGRXRI-01090-00239544-00239798 that when you actually put that pigment UteeTTGRXRI-01091-00239800-00240006 on on canvas UteeTTGRXRI-01092-00240007-00240271 it was slightly deader than he wanted it UteeTTGRXRI-01093-00240271-00240503 to be so he spent a year in the late UteeTTGRXRI-01094-00240504-00240671 1950s UteeTTGRXRI-01095-00240671-00240919 with a remarkable legendary color man UteeTTGRXRI-01096-00240919-00241182 called edward adam to try and devise a UteeTTGRXRI-01097-00241183-00241455 new way of suspending that pigment so UteeTTGRXRI-01098-00241456-00241655 that the whole thing was more was more UteeTTGRXRI-01099-00241656-00241934 resonant and vibrant and when you do UteeTTGRXRI-01100-00241935-00242039 actually see UteeTTGRXRI-01101-00242040-00242398 ikb blue the the color that he patented UteeTTGRXRI-01102-00242400-00242679 i think in 1959 it is just UteeTTGRXRI-01103-00242680-00242879 so explosive and resonant it's the most UteeTTGRXRI-01104-00242880-00243167 magnificent it's nearly neon i mean it's UteeTTGRXRI-01105-00243167-00243327 not quite a neon but there's there's UteeTTGRXRI-01106-00243328-00243463 like a UteeTTGRXRI-01107-00243464-00243639 yeah you know the way that neon colors UteeTTGRXRI-01108-00243640-00243863 have a glow to them i find that true UteeTTGRXRI-01109-00243864-00244087 ultramarine has that sort of glow to it UteeTTGRXRI-01110-00244088-00244223 it really does and when you look at UteeTTGRXRI-01111-00244223-00244382 those paintings closely and he applied UteeTTGRXRI-01112-00244383-00244575 them in very clever ways to enhance the UteeTTGRXRI-01113-00244576-00244727 effect but when you look at those UteeTTGRXRI-01114-00244728-00244934 paintings i mean your retina can't UteeTTGRXRI-01115-00244935-00245287 really land on the color it's so it's so UteeTTGRXRI-01116-00245288-00245534 um oscillating and vibrating that it's UteeTTGRXRI-01117-00245535-00245734 uh it's quite an unsettling experience UteeTTGRXRI-01118-00245735-00245934 but a but a magnificent experience as UteeTTGRXRI-01119-00245935-00246094 well UteeTTGRXRI-01120-00246096-00246367 it sounds to me that um describing what UteeTTGRXRI-01121-00246367-00246639 you find in the blue and the move and UteeTTGRXRI-01122-00246640-00246758 things like that UteeTTGRXRI-01123-00246759-00246975 also the processes that you described it UteeTTGRXRI-01124-00246976-00247191 sounds like very hard work again boiling UteeTTGRXRI-01125-00247192-00247319 all those mollusks and all of those UteeTTGRXRI-01126-00247319-00247455 things UteeTTGRXRI-01127-00247456-00247551 were UteeTTGRXRI-01128-00247552-00247734 the people creating these pigments very UteeTTGRXRI-01129-00247735-00247991 precious about their recipes because it UteeTTGRXRI-01130-00247992-00248142 sounds like it's a real commodity a lot UteeTTGRXRI-01131-00248144-00248334 of money to be made if you're the only UteeTTGRXRI-01132-00248335-00248455 person that knows how to make this UteeTTGRXRI-01133-00248456-00248598 desirable color UteeTTGRXRI-01134-00248600-00248806 absolutely before you know we've got to UteeTTGRXRI-01135-00248807-00248982 remember that for most of history you UteeTTGRXRI-01136-00248983-00249175 couldn't just go to a shop and buy a box UteeTTGRXRI-01137-00249176-00249391 of mass-produced paint you had you you UteeTTGRXRI-01138-00249392-00249598 were often making it yourself in your UteeTTGRXRI-01139-00249600-00249815 workshop you had your own specific UteeTTGRXRI-01140-00249816-00249991 recipe that might have been passed down UteeTTGRXRI-01141-00249992-00250239 by uh your your you know by your UteeTTGRXRI-01142-00250240-00250455 ancestors and you would guard it UteeTTGRXRI-01143-00250456-00250646 jealously and it was an important part UteeTTGRXRI-01144-00250648-00250806 of your intellectual property it was a UteeTTGRXRI-01145-00250807-00251030 part of your signature style as an UteeTTGRXRI-01146-00251031-00251287 artist and so people really really were UteeTTGRXRI-01147-00251288-00251494 very possessive about their colors in UteeTTGRXRI-01148-00251496-00251710 the 19th century when we when we see the UteeTTGRXRI-01149-00251711-00251919 emergence of move and all those purples UteeTTGRXRI-01150-00251919-00252134 i mean it was unbelievable the amount of UteeTTGRXRI-01151-00252135-00252406 court cases that took place to try for UteeTTGRXRI-01152-00252407-00252606 when people tried to stop other people UteeTTGRXRI-01153-00252607-00252855 using their recipes or mass or producing UteeTTGRXRI-01154-00252856-00253039 their colours without permission there i UteeTTGRXRI-01155-00253040-00253182 mean i've actually UteeTTGRXRI-01156-00253183-00253558 described some of those court cases uh UteeTTGRXRI-01157-00253559-00253742 in in the book and of course this UteeTTGRXRI-01158-00253744-00253982 process this this kind of competition UteeTTGRXRI-01159-00253983-00254206 still goes on today i remember UteeTTGRXRI-01160-00254207-00254358 a few years ago UteeTTGRXRI-01161-00254359-00254655 uh the british sculptor anish kapoor got UteeTTGRXRI-01162-00254656-00254919 into real trouble when he signed an UteeTTGRXRI-01163-00254919-00255223 exclusivity deal with a company for the UteeTTGRXRI-01164-00255223-00255471 so-called blackest black ever made so he UteeTTGRXRI-01165-00255471-00255615 went down there to the fact i actually UteeTTGRXRI-01166-00255616-00255806 went down to see this product myself to UteeTTGRXRI-01167-00255807-00255982 the factory and it's an incredible black UteeTTGRXRI-01168-00255983-00256158 um and he signed this deal with them so UteeTTGRXRI-01169-00256159-00256303 no other artist could use it and of UteeTTGRXRI-01170-00256304-00256510 course this made artists furious so it's UteeTTGRXRI-01171-00256511-00256751 still happening even today yeah that's UteeTTGRXRI-01172-00256752-00256982 the vantablack is that right UteeTTGRXRI-01173-00256983-00257223 so you have you've seen it in person i UteeTTGRXRI-01174-00257223-00257375 have seen it in person i went down UteeTTGRXRI-01175-00257376-00257558 shortly after it for the research of UteeTTGRXRI-01176-00257559-00257767 this book actually and uh shortly after UteeTTGRXRI-01177-00257767-00258063 they've dead announced it it's a very UteeTTGRXRI-01178-00258064-00258239 strange it's not really even a pigment UteeTTGRXRI-01179-00258240-00258423 it's a material that is UteeTTGRXRI-01180-00258423-00258679 uh grown in a very dense uh like a very UteeTTGRXRI-01181-00258680-00258887 dense forest of nanotubes and they're so UteeTTGRXRI-01182-00258888-00258975 dense UteeTTGRXRI-01183-00258976-00259127 that when light UteeTTGRXRI-01184-00259128-00259367 hits them the light gets trapped between UteeTTGRXRI-01185-00259367-00259639 the carbon nanotubes and hardly any of UteeTTGRXRI-01186-00259640-00259815 that light comes back and UteeTTGRXRI-01187-00259816-00259967 when you see it next to another black UteeTTGRXRI-01188-00259967-00260215 product you are uh it makes the other UteeTTGRXRI-01189-00260216-00260446 black project pop product look gray by UteeTTGRXRI-01190-00260448-00260655 comparison it's that dark yeah you know UteeTTGRXRI-01191-00260656-00260775 that's interesting that you mentioned UteeTTGRXRI-01192-00260776-00260991 that about shades black because i think UteeTTGRXRI-01193-00260992-00261158 it's one of those colors that you think UteeTTGRXRI-01194-00261159-00261382 of as being like UteeTTGRXRI-01195-00261383-00261503 how can there be shades if there are UteeTTGRXRI-01196-00261504-00261710 shades then it's gray right um but if UteeTTGRXRI-01197-00261711-00261934 you've ever like tried to mix and match UteeTTGRXRI-01198-00261935-00262110 black clothes you know very well that UteeTTGRXRI-01199-00262111-00262271 there are these undertones and things so UteeTTGRXRI-01200-00262272-00262423 that's actually really interesting to UteeTTGRXRI-01201-00262424-00262639 think about shades did you talk much UteeTTGRXRI-01202-00262640-00262863 about that in the book yes i mean black UteeTTGRXRI-01203-00262864-00263063 is the i think the most misunderstood UteeTTGRXRI-01204-00263064-00263223 color in some ways and that so often UteeTTGRXRI-01205-00263224-00263527 people think of it as a as a as a as a UteeTTGRXRI-01206-00263528-00263663 non-color UteeTTGRXRI-01207-00263664-00263782 um as a UteeTTGRXRI-01208-00263783-00263975 as a form of darkness you know they UteeTTGRXRI-01209-00263976-00264215 think of black as pitch dark the truth UteeTTGRXRI-01210-00264216-00264591 is it's not it's not dark really i mean UteeTTGRXRI-01211-00264592-00264887 actually the the color of pitch darkness UteeTTGRXRI-01212-00264888-00265095 absolute darkness is not black it is UteeTTGRXRI-01213-00265096-00265319 grey so if you go into a room and there UteeTTGRXRI-01214-00265320-00265534 is absolutely no light you see something UteeTTGRXRI-01215-00265535-00265703 called eigengrowl you see something UteeTTGRXRI-01216-00265704-00265919 called brain gray black is actually a UteeTTGRXRI-01217-00265920-00266151 contrast effect so in order to have UteeTTGRXRI-01218-00266152-00266334 blackness you need to have UteeTTGRXRI-01219-00266335-00266447 light UteeTTGRXRI-01220-00266448-00266647 to create that contrast so that was one UteeTTGRXRI-01221-00266648-00266751 of that's one of the biggest UteeTTGRXRI-01222-00266752-00266958 misunderstandings of all is that black UteeTTGRXRI-01223-00266959-00267206 is an absence of light you need light to UteeTTGRXRI-01224-00267207-00267423 see black and of course as many artists UteeTTGRXRI-01225-00267424-00267543 have shown UteeTTGRXRI-01226-00267544-00267767 you think of artists like um pierre UteeTTGRXRI-01227-00267768-00267967 soulage as i've mentioned before he's UteeTTGRXRI-01228-00267968-00268206 someone who shows that color with black UteeTTGRXRI-01229-00268207-00268406 which contains all the colors UteeTTGRXRI-01230-00268407-00268703 is the most unbelievably luscious rich UteeTTGRXRI-01231-00268704-00268887 generous color of all and i should say UteeTTGRXRI-01232-00268888-00269079 that people people knew this before UteeTTGRXRI-01233-00269080-00269206 people you know UteeTTGRXRI-01234-00269207-00269455 the very word black UteeTTGRXRI-01235-00269456-00269663 it originates in the proto-indo-european UteeTTGRXRI-01236-00269664-00269975 word bleg which means shine or bright or UteeTTGRXRI-01237-00269976-00270095 gleam UteeTTGRXRI-01238-00270096-00270310 so black you know even even though even UteeTTGRXRI-01239-00270311-00270527 in terms of our language it's linked to UteeTTGRXRI-01240-00270528-00270703 brightness and light UteeTTGRXRI-01241-00270704-00270847 that's so interesting because like you UteeTTGRXRI-01242-00270848-00270975 say everyone thinks of it as the UteeTTGRXRI-01243-00270976-00271215 opposite so that is really interesting UteeTTGRXRI-01244-00271216-00271303 and UteeTTGRXRI-01245-00271304-00271487 so you mentioned with marv we called it UteeTTGRXRI-01246-00271488-00271710 like a quantum leap UteeTTGRXRI-01247-00271711-00271903 um and i'm wondering are there other UteeTTGRXRI-01248-00271904-00272030 moments UteeTTGRXRI-01249-00272031-00272263 that stand out in your mind that you UteeTTGRXRI-01250-00272264-00272487 researched and wrote about that um UteeTTGRXRI-01251-00272488-00272687 really felt like big advances in color UteeTTGRXRI-01252-00272688-00272927 development yeah as i say as i said in UteeTTGRXRI-01253-00272928-00273087 my talk then they're not that many UteeTTGRXRI-01254-00273088-00273223 they're i would say there are there are UteeTTGRXRI-01255-00273224-00273527 a handful of moments when we make this UteeTTGRXRI-01256-00273528-00273727 great leap forward in terms of how many UteeTTGRXRI-01257-00273728-00273895 colors we can produce i think the first UteeTTGRXRI-01258-00273896-00274134 one is probably right at the beginning UteeTTGRXRI-01259-00274135-00274351 when humans first start UteeTTGRXRI-01260-00274352-00274575 creating pigments they first start UteeTTGRXRI-01261-00274576-00274903 burning woods and stones and bones to UteeTTGRXRI-01262-00274904-00275110 make charcoal they start excavating and UteeTTGRXRI-01263-00275111-00275319 processing red ochre then you get in the UteeTTGRXRI-01264-00275320-00275599 neolithic period the development of UteeTTGRXRI-01265-00275600-00275782 colours like vermilion UteeTTGRXRI-01266-00275783-00276095 in spain and indigo and south america UteeTTGRXRI-01267-00276096-00276206 and um UteeTTGRXRI-01268-00276207-00276567 and uh egyptian blue in ancient egypt an UteeTTGRXRI-01269-00276568-00276951 early synthetic blue han purple in china UteeTTGRXRI-01270-00276952-00277103 and then you get UteeTTGRXRI-01271-00277104-00277295 massive developments in dye UteeTTGRXRI-01272-00277296-00277527 manufacturing in venice in the late UteeTTGRXRI-01273-00277528-00277710 middle ages in the renaissance and then UteeTTGRXRI-01274-00277711-00277871 of course in the 19th century i've UteeTTGRXRI-01275-00277872-00278023 mentioned it already you get the UteeTTGRXRI-01276-00278024-00278255 synthetic revolution when you get all UteeTTGRXRI-01277-00278256-00278439 these extraordinary pigments UteeTTGRXRI-01278-00278440-00278695 that are being manufactured in the lab UteeTTGRXRI-01279-00278696-00278830 and these are the pigments these are the UteeTTGRXRI-01280-00278831-00279015 dyes that we still use today you know as UteeTTGRXRI-01281-00279016-00279151 i say you know if you find an UteeTTGRXRI-01282-00279152-00279351 ultramarine in your paint palette that's UteeTTGRXRI-01283-00279352-00279606 a synthetic ultramarine if you see your UteeTTGRXRI-01284-00279607-00279782 genes have died with indigo that UteeTTGRXRI-01285-00279783-00279958 synthetic indigo that was invented in UteeTTGRXRI-01286-00279959-00280295 the 19th century um so i think that the UteeTTGRXRI-01287-00280296-00280519 synthetic revolution is the one that UteeTTGRXRI-01288-00280520-00280775 that shapes i mean it's the one that has UteeTTGRXRI-01289-00280776-00280999 dyed all the colors on those beautiful UteeTTGRXRI-01290-00281000-00281199 books uh behind you farah and those are UteeTTGRXRI-01291-00281200-00281558 all synthetic colors UteeTTGRXRI-01292-00281559-00281775 yeah um UteeTTGRXRI-01293-00281776-00281991 then as you were talking and especially UteeTTGRXRI-01294-00281992-00282151 when you were talking about um purple UteeTTGRXRI-01295-00282152-00282439 and toxicity and things it made me think UteeTTGRXRI-01296-00282440-00282655 how many of these colors and pigments UteeTTGRXRI-01297-00282656-00282863 were poisonous because you hear about UteeTTGRXRI-01298-00282864-00283230 women um putting on makeup and like like UteeTTGRXRI-01299-00283231-00283382 queen elizabeth maybe to get the white UteeTTGRXRI-01300-00283383-00283510 on her face and then it was like UteeTTGRXRI-01301-00283511-00283775 poisonous so is was there a bit of UteeTTGRXRI-01302-00283776-00283991 danger involved oh yes of course i mean UteeTTGRXRI-01303-00283992-00284191 many of these colors were were made from UteeTTGRXRI-01304-00284192-00284463 various toxic chemicals that greens were UteeTTGRXRI-01305-00284464-00284647 particularly toxic i mean it's it's UteeTTGRXRI-01306-00284648-00284879 quite an irony actually the green UteeTTGRXRI-01307-00284880-00285167 synthetic dyes that we use today are UteeTTGRXRI-01308-00285168-00285382 some of the the least environmentally UteeTTGRXRI-01309-00285383-00285639 friendly so all those recyclable green UteeTTGRXRI-01310-00285640-00285751 bags UteeTTGRXRI-01311-00285752-00285895 that are supposed to be good for the UteeTTGRXRI-01312-00285896-00286071 planet are actually pretty bad compared UteeTTGRXRI-01313-00286072-00286223 to various other pigments because they UteeTTGRXRI-01314-00286224-00286430 use a lot of chlorine to make them UteeTTGRXRI-01315-00286431-00286703 lead white is the most famous uh toxic UteeTTGRXRI-01316-00286704-00286887 white and you know killed many people UteeTTGRXRI-01317-00286888-00287119 people put this white on their skin UteeTTGRXRI-01318-00287120-00287263 and on their bodies and they painted UteeTTGRXRI-01319-00287264-00287463 their houses in it and you know that was UteeTTGRXRI-01320-00287464-00287806 found to be toxic realgar and orpament UteeTTGRXRI-01321-00287807-00287991 which i mentioned in the titian those UteeTTGRXRI-01322-00287992-00288263 had arsenic in them uh vermilion UteeTTGRXRI-01323-00288264-00288527 beautiful red had arsenic in it as well UteeTTGRXRI-01324-00288528-00288775 so lots of these pigments were were made UteeTTGRXRI-01325-00288776-00288934 from chemicals that that weren't UteeTTGRXRI-01326-00288935-00289158 necessarily very good for us UteeTTGRXRI-01327-00289159-00289397 so interesting to think of how um UteeTTGRXRI-01328-00289398-00289519 [Music] UteeTTGRXRI-01329-00289520-00289679 in a way because as you mentioned it's UteeTTGRXRI-01330-00289680-00289934 all around you almost um if you're a UteeTTGRXRI-01331-00289935-00290191 person who you know sees all the colors UteeTTGRXRI-01332-00290192-00290430 just take them for granted but then you UteeTTGRXRI-01333-00290431-00290663 start to hear the kind of risk involved UteeTTGRXRI-01334-00290664-00290854 in reducing the colors the amount of UteeTTGRXRI-01335-00290855-00291087 money that went into UteeTTGRXRI-01336-00291088-00291279 acquiring the colors it's like this UteeTTGRXRI-01337-00291280-00291615 quietly very important cultural thing UteeTTGRXRI-01338-00291616-00291934 that's happening but also kind of UteeTTGRXRI-01339-00291935-00292151 not really talked about that much but UteeTTGRXRI-01340-00292152-00292334 good for you in terms of meaning to have UteeTTGRXRI-01341-00292335-00292519 been right about to write this book and UteeTTGRXRI-01342-00292520-00292839 talk absolutely yeah absolutely UteeTTGRXRI-01343-00292840-00293119 i think maybe we can take some questions UteeTTGRXRI-01344-00293120-00293406 and let's see what we have here UteeTTGRXRI-01345-00293407-00293695 someone says loving this thank you UteeTTGRXRI-01346-00293696-00293903 um do we see a rise and mention UteeTTGRXRI-01347-00293904-00294167 citations and usages of the word blue UteeTTGRXRI-01348-00294168-00294423 this question is from benji in europe UteeTTGRXRI-01349-00294424-00294623 that corresponds with the arrival and UteeTTGRXRI-01350-00294624-00294991 growth of lapis lazuli based pigments UteeTTGRXRI-01351-00294992-00295319 well not not necessarily then however UteeTTGRXRI-01352-00295320-00295630 one of the things i um i discovered in UteeTTGRXRI-01353-00295631-00295903 uh my research was i was able to UteeTTGRXRI-01354-00295904-00296119 with regard to us of uh with the help of UteeTTGRXRI-01355-00296120-00296454 a phd thesis from from the 19th century UteeTTGRXRI-01356-00296455-00296647 was able to do this calculation and UteeTTGRXRI-01357-00296648-00296958 there are two graphs in the book uh that UteeTTGRXRI-01358-00296959-00297287 show how the uh incidents the number of UteeTTGRXRI-01359-00297288-00297527 uses of blue in english in english UteeTTGRXRI-01360-00297528-00297863 literature uh in novels and poetry rose UteeTTGRXRI-01361-00297864-00298023 dramatically UteeTTGRXRI-01362-00298024-00298175 from the UteeTTGRXRI-01363-00298176-00298510 15th 14th 15th century to the romantic UteeTTGRXRI-01364-00298511-00298775 period so chaucer hardly ever uses the UteeTTGRXRI-01365-00298776-00298887 word blue UteeTTGRXRI-01366-00298888-00299071 shakespeare uses a little bit more but UteeTTGRXRI-01367-00299072-00299254 by the time you get to byron and keats UteeTTGRXRI-01368-00299255-00299479 and shelley it's it's one of the most if UteeTTGRXRI-01369-00299480-00299758 not the most oft used colors so i think UteeTTGRXRI-01370-00299759-00300182 you do see a massive rise in the the use UteeTTGRXRI-01371-00300183-00300415 of the the color the word blue uh UteeTTGRXRI-01372-00300416-00300582 throughout this period i don't think UteeTTGRXRI-01373-00300583-00300823 it's due to ultramarine i think it's due UteeTTGRXRI-01374-00300824-00300919 to UteeTTGRXRI-01375-00300920-00301103 probably broader cultural phenomena UteeTTGRXRI-01376-00301104-00301310 about describing nature and describing UteeTTGRXRI-01377-00301311-00301551 skies it's also about the word just UteeTTGRXRI-01378-00301552-00301775 becoming more common as i said before UteeTTGRXRI-01379-00301776-00301991 you know blue arrives very late in most UteeTTGRXRI-01380-00301992-00302167 languages and there are still many UteeTTGRXRI-01381-00302168-00302343 languages around the world that don't UteeTTGRXRI-01382-00302344-00302575 have a word for blue yet uh or don't UteeTTGRXRI-01383-00302576-00302927 have a word for blue uh at all um so uh UteeTTGRXRI-01384-00302928-00303230 it takes time to get to get the the word UteeTTGRXRI-01385-00303231-00303447 for the color blue but then obviously as UteeTTGRXRI-01386-00303448-00303679 i said with regard to the um the UteeTTGRXRI-01387-00303680-00303863 popularity blue then takes over UteeTTGRXRI-01388-00303864-00304215 everything well it makes you wonder UteeTTGRXRI-01389-00304216-00304358 how do you come up with a name for UteeTTGRXRI-01390-00304359-00304575 something that's never had a name UteeTTGRXRI-01391-00304576-00304799 um i guess some some languages are still UteeTTGRXRI-01392-00304800-00304927 wondering yet UteeTTGRXRI-01393-00304928-00305119 yeah i mean that's what my my theory is UteeTTGRXRI-01394-00305120-00305295 the reason it comes late is you don't UteeTTGRXRI-01395-00305296-00305510 need to name it i mean if if you're not UteeTTGRXRI-01396-00305511-00305863 dealing with blue things in your life uh UteeTTGRXRI-01397-00305864-00306158 in nature on a regular basis uh but UteeTTGRXRI-01398-00306159-00306343 you're but but the sky is blue and the UteeTTGRXRI-01399-00306344-00306503 sea is but you don't need to name those UteeTTGRXRI-01400-00306504-00306671 things as blue you can call them a sky UteeTTGRXRI-01401-00306672-00306823 you can call them the sea but it's when UteeTTGRXRI-01402-00306824-00306982 you're actually manipulating and dealing UteeTTGRXRI-01403-00306983-00307127 with things and making distinctions UteeTTGRXRI-01404-00307128-00307343 between things that's when you need UteeTTGRXRI-01405-00307344-00307567 color terms whether it's dark and light UteeTTGRXRI-01406-00307568-00307719 or red UteeTTGRXRI-01407-00307720-00307887 fruit and yellow fruit or particular UteeTTGRXRI-01408-00307888-00308175 kinds of green leaves or not UteeTTGRXRI-01409-00308176-00308439 i think of color i guess in a hierarchy UteeTTGRXRI-01410-00308440-00308663 hierarchical way in terms of their UteeTTGRXRI-01411-00308664-00308879 primary colors so UteeTTGRXRI-01412-00308880-00309047 red blue yellow UteeTTGRXRI-01413-00309048-00309263 it feels like that's the starting point UteeTTGRXRI-01414-00309264-00309423 because the other colors come from a UteeTTGRXRI-01415-00309424-00309606 combination of that so to think that UteeTTGRXRI-01416-00309607-00309782 blue UteeTTGRXRI-01417-00309783-00309982 is kind of like at the end UteeTTGRXRI-01418-00309983-00310143 it's interesting well culturally UteeTTGRXRI-01419-00310144-00310295 speaking anthropologists will tell you UteeTTGRXRI-01420-00310296-00310534 that the primary colors are black white UteeTTGRXRI-01421-00310535-00310751 and red these are the colors that are UteeTTGRXRI-01422-00310752-00310895 the kind of the if you like the UteeTTGRXRI-01423-00310896-00311110 fundamental archetypal colors in human UteeTTGRXRI-01424-00311111-00311327 culture they are the first three colors UteeTTGRXRI-01425-00311328-00311534 we get that human language gives names UteeTTGRXRI-01426-00311535-00311806 to and all the others green yellow blue UteeTTGRXRI-01427-00311807-00312095 purple elephant's breath um they come UteeTTGRXRI-01428-00312096-00312751 later on in in society UteeTTGRXRI-01429-00312752-00312982 um all right let's do another question UteeTTGRXRI-01430-00312983-00313223 um has your research on color caused you UteeTTGRXRI-01431-00313224-00313527 to reevaluate the meanings of specific UteeTTGRXRI-01432-00313528-00313823 works of art that's coming from well UteeTTGRXRI-01433-00313824-00314015 that's that's a really good question yes UteeTTGRXRI-01434-00314016-00314215 i think it has and i think that when you UteeTTGRXRI-01435-00314216-00314463 uh when you look at you know works when UteeTTGRXRI-01436-00314464-00314663 you when you realize how the meanings of UteeTTGRXRI-01437-00314664-00314782 color UteeTTGRXRI-01438-00314783-00314991 change over time and colors that we UteeTTGRXRI-01439-00314992-00315358 might find appealing um are UteeTTGRXRI-01440-00315359-00315551 were unappealing at a given point in UteeTTGRXRI-01441-00315552-00315815 time uh you begin to realize that those UteeTTGRXRI-01442-00315816-00316023 were chosen for a meaning so chosen for UteeTTGRXRI-01443-00316024-00316230 a reason i always for instance in in UteeTTGRXRI-01444-00316231-00316430 jotto's arena chapel i always really UteeTTGRXRI-01445-00316431-00316687 admired that picture i showed of the UteeTTGRXRI-01446-00316688-00316815 kiss of judas it's the most UteeTTGRXRI-01447-00316816-00316982 extraordinary confrontational picture UteeTTGRXRI-01448-00316983-00317143 and i always admired that beautiful UteeTTGRXRI-01449-00317144-00317503 golden yellow cloak that that judas was UteeTTGRXRI-01450-00317504-00317679 wearing but it's only when you look back UteeTTGRXRI-01451-00317680-00317847 and you think well what did that color UteeTTGRXRI-01452-00317848-00317943 mean UteeTTGRXRI-01453-00317944-00318175 back then that you realize that it would UteeTTGRXRI-01454-00318176-00318310 have been something that anyone who UteeTTGRXRI-01455-00318311-00318471 walked into that chapel before they even UteeTTGRXRI-01456-00318472-00318663 saw the picture before they even saw UteeTTGRXRI-01457-00318664-00318951 judas's face they would have known that UteeTTGRXRI-01458-00318952-00319206 that meant he was not to be trusted so i UteeTTGRXRI-01459-00319207-00319391 think that yeah when you start to think UteeTTGRXRI-01460-00319392-00319567 about how meanings of color change over UteeTTGRXRI-01461-00319568-00319654 time UteeTTGRXRI-01462-00319655-00319927 it's it's inevitable that uh it will it UteeTTGRXRI-01463-00319928-00320054 will change your UteeTTGRXRI-01464-00320055-00320295 response to the pictures UteeTTGRXRI-01465-00320296-00320623 yeah i think it does unlock something in UteeTTGRXRI-01466-00320624-00320758 the way that you UteeTTGRXRI-01467-00320759-00320958 can look at art the more you know about UteeTTGRXRI-01468-00320959-00321127 color and their potential meanings and UteeTTGRXRI-01469-00321128-00321391 it makes me think about there's a scroll UteeTTGRXRI-01470-00321392-00321495 um UteeTTGRXRI-01471-00321496-00321719 a chinese scroll that shows um the UteeTTGRXRI-01472-00321720-00321903 emperor on this journey it's a southern UteeTTGRXRI-01473-00321904-00322079 tour and all of these things and you can UteeTTGRXRI-01474-00322080-00322247 immediately find him UteeTTGRXRI-01475-00322248-00322391 because he's wearing yellow and that's UteeTTGRXRI-01476-00322392-00322623 the emperor's color so once you have UteeTTGRXRI-01477-00322624-00322847 that context it just unlocks that you UteeTTGRXRI-01478-00322848-00323030 know little bit of information which i UteeTTGRXRI-01479-00323031-00323303 think is really interesting yeah UteeTTGRXRI-01480-00323304-00323406 um UteeTTGRXRI-01481-00323407-00323582 one another question this time from UteeTTGRXRI-01482-00323583-00323830 david uh it was interesting to hear your UteeTTGRXRI-01483-00323831-00323991 views on the relationship between the UteeTTGRXRI-01484-00323992-00324279 centrality of red and art and the earth UteeTTGRXRI-01485-00324280-00324495 can the links between our biological UteeTTGRXRI-01486-00324496-00324791 reactions to color and our use of color UteeTTGRXRI-01487-00324792-00325175 and art be quantified UteeTTGRXRI-01488-00325176-00325334 i'm not sure if they can be UteeTTGRXRI-01489-00325335-00325487 quantified UteeTTGRXRI-01490-00325488-00325727 i think that it's UteeTTGRXRI-01491-00325728-00325830 it's UteeTTGRXRI-01492-00325831-00326127 certainly true that some of these UteeTTGRXRI-01493-00326128-00326391 connotations seem very deep rooted and UteeTTGRXRI-01494-00326392-00326534 this is one of the things i try to talk UteeTTGRXRI-01495-00326535-00326703 about in the book is that obviously in UteeTTGRXRI-01496-00326704-00326830 some ways UteeTTGRXRI-01497-00326831-00327167 meanings of color are ever changing uh UteeTTGRXRI-01498-00327168-00327310 they're you know there's they're not UteeTTGRXRI-01499-00327311-00327567 universal they're not consistent they're UteeTTGRXRI-01500-00327568-00327847 constantly on on the move and yet we UteeTTGRXRI-01501-00327848-00328134 also see these these these particular UteeTTGRXRI-01502-00328135-00328430 kinds of associations and correlations UteeTTGRXRI-01503-00328431-00328527 just UteeTTGRXRI-01504-00328528-00328758 sticking around and so one is that yeah UteeTTGRXRI-01505-00328759-00328943 that connection between UteeTTGRXRI-01506-00328944-00329158 red and blood you know you see it from UteeTTGRXRI-01507-00329159-00329327 the start it sounds like a cliche but UteeTTGRXRI-01508-00329328-00329582 that's because we it's it's so hard UteeTTGRXRI-01509-00329583-00329823 wired we see it from those earliest cave UteeTTGRXRI-01510-00329824-00330047 paintings all the way through to you UteeTTGRXRI-01511-00330048-00330303 know if you look at schindler's list or UteeTTGRXRI-01512-00330304-00330695 uh or american beauty or um UteeTTGRXRI-01513-00330696-00330910 alfred hitchcock's film marnie blood UteeTTGRXRI-01514-00330911-00331239 that that symbolism of red as blood UteeTTGRXRI-01515-00331240-00331510 is still the case the same is true of UteeTTGRXRI-01516-00331511-00331734 black and darkness we see it very very UteeTTGRXRI-01517-00331735-00331975 early on in human society we still have UteeTTGRXRI-01518-00331976-00332175 it today even though as i say UteeTTGRXRI-01519-00332176-00332471 black and darkness are not the same UteeTTGRXRI-01520-00332472-00332743 thing uh so i think that there are UteeTTGRXRI-01521-00332744-00333047 certain deep-rooted uh connotations that UteeTTGRXRI-01522-00333048-00333295 i wouldn't want to quantify UteeTTGRXRI-01523-00333296-00333367 um them UteeTTGRXRI-01524-00333368-00333606 i but i do think they are they they are UteeTTGRXRI-01525-00333607-00333791 hard to ignore UteeTTGRXRI-01526-00333792-00333951 there does certainly seem to be UteeTTGRXRI-01527-00333952-00334087 something UteeTTGRXRI-01528-00334088-00334327 to it because you find that hospitals UteeTTGRXRI-01529-00334328-00334463 are sometimes UteeTTGRXRI-01530-00334464-00334823 painted in certain colors um UteeTTGRXRI-01531-00334824-00335054 fast food restaurants often use similar UteeTTGRXRI-01532-00335055-00335310 colors and go down the cereal aisle the UteeTTGRXRI-01533-00335311-00335527 boxes might ease so there must be some UteeTTGRXRI-01534-00335528-00335815 kind of physiological response UteeTTGRXRI-01535-00335816-00335982 yes i mean UteeTTGRXRI-01536-00335983-00336110 well but that's definitely true i mean UteeTTGRXRI-01537-00336111-00336223 there's certainly UteeTTGRXRI-01538-00336224-00336447 certainly true that lots of studies have UteeTTGRXRI-01539-00336448-00336799 found that for instance um UteeTTGRXRI-01540-00336800-00337039 that red and yellow are appetite UteeTTGRXRI-01541-00337040-00337254 stimulants and so that's why a lot of UteeTTGRXRI-01542-00337255-00337447 fast food places will have red and UteeTTGRXRI-01543-00337448-00337623 yellow signage because it's more likely UteeTTGRXRI-01544-00337624-00337806 when you see it to think i want to eat UteeTTGRXRI-01545-00337807-00338006 they've also found UteeTTGRXRI-01546-00338007-00338334 that blue is associated with stability UteeTTGRXRI-01547-00338335-00338591 and loyalty and so therefore we often UteeTTGRXRI-01548-00338592-00338799 see banks financial service companies UteeTTGRXRI-01549-00338800-00339015 choosing to have blue purple is often UteeTTGRXRI-01550-00339016-00339247 associated with extravagance and so if UteeTTGRXRI-01551-00339248-00339430 if brands want to UteeTTGRXRI-01552-00339431-00339663 present themselves as luxurious you know UteeTTGRXRI-01553-00339664-00339903 whether it's liberty or whether it's uh UteeTTGRXRI-01554-00339904-00340175 particular chocolate companies then uh UteeTTGRXRI-01555-00340176-00340430 purple will be the color they go for UteeTTGRXRI-01556-00340431-00340758 we've also got studies that um that you UteeTTGRXRI-01557-00340759-00340958 know people are more likely to trust a UteeTTGRXRI-01558-00340959-00341223 doctor if they're wearing white a white UteeTTGRXRI-01559-00341224-00341406 coat even though we know now that white UteeTTGRXRI-01560-00341407-00341575 coats are great carriers of disease and UteeTTGRXRI-01561-00341576-00341719 that's why at the nhs for instance UteeTTGRXRI-01562-00341720-00341839 doctors aren't allowed to wear white UteeTTGRXRI-01563-00341840-00341943 coats UteeTTGRXRI-01564-00341944-00342071 i didn't know that UteeTTGRXRI-01565-00342072-00342254 well it's only because people weren't UteeTTGRXRI-01566-00342255-00342406 washing their doctors weren't washing UteeTTGRXRI-01567-00342407-00342647 their white coats regularly UteeTTGRXRI-01568-00342648-00342871 so that's why the nhs guidance is no UteeTTGRXRI-01569-00342872-00343110 white coats but people prefer to be told UteeTTGRXRI-01570-00343111-00343327 information by a doctor wearing a white UteeTTGRXRI-01571-00343328-00343567 coat we also also causes fear for some UteeTTGRXRI-01572-00343568-00343743 people does it yes they call it white UteeTTGRXRI-01573-00343744-00343934 coat syndrome yeah there is there is UteeTTGRXRI-01574-00343935-00344230 fear there's also trust as well and when UteeTTGRXRI-01575-00344231-00344415 you talk about the color of hospitals UteeTTGRXRI-01576-00344416-00344654 another study found that UteeTTGRXRI-01577-00344655-00344895 people are believed to recover more UteeTTGRXRI-01578-00344896-00345191 quickly from surgery if they have uh if UteeTTGRXRI-01579-00345192-00345439 they're either in green rooms or have UteeTTGRXRI-01580-00345440-00345743 access to or can see green uh vegetation UteeTTGRXRI-01581-00345744-00345958 green trees green landscapes outside UteeTTGRXRI-01582-00345959-00346263 their their windows so there are these UteeTTGRXRI-01583-00346264-00346454 interesting studies i think we have to UteeTTGRXRI-01584-00346455-00346623 take some of them with a pinch of salt UteeTTGRXRI-01585-00346624-00346782 um but i think there is certainly UteeTTGRXRI-01586-00346783-00346975 something in them UteeTTGRXRI-01587-00346976-00347230 i think we've got time for just a couple UteeTTGRXRI-01588-00347231-00347567 more questions um UteeTTGRXRI-01589-00347568-00347734 this UteeTTGRXRI-01590-00347735-00348039 jp says have you explored UteeTTGRXRI-01591-00348040-00348382 musical tones related to certain colors UteeTTGRXRI-01592-00348383-00348606 as with synesthesia UteeTTGRXRI-01593-00348607-00348823 my experience is that those affected see UteeTTGRXRI-01594-00348824-00349078 the same tones per color UteeTTGRXRI-01595-00349079-00349247 well i mean farron you'll probably know UteeTTGRXRI-01596-00349248-00349406 more about this than i do but so you did UteeTTGRXRI-01597-00349407-00349599 a fantastic podcast on the on the UteeTTGRXRI-01598-00349600-00349791 subject but i think that it's certainly UteeTTGRXRI-01599-00349792-00350039 true that people have linked UteeTTGRXRI-01600-00350040-00350478 colors and music uh many for for a long UteeTTGRXRI-01601-00350479-00350710 time i mean the most famous example is UteeTTGRXRI-01602-00350711-00350951 kandinsky of course uh vasily kandinsky UteeTTGRXRI-01603-00350952-00351247 could hear color he could see sound he UteeTTGRXRI-01604-00351248-00351558 had particular correlations uh that he UteeTTGRXRI-01605-00351559-00351758 thought for instance a cello sounded UteeTTGRXRI-01606-00351759-00352039 dark blue i think in a violin UteeTTGRXRI-01607-00352040-00352343 sounded pale blue there's a there is one UteeTTGRXRI-01608-00352344-00352534 study that showed that many people think UteeTTGRXRI-01609-00352535-00352743 of trumpets as red although i don't UteeTTGRXRI-01610-00352744-00352919 think of trumpets as red but that is uh UteeTTGRXRI-01611-00352920-00353047 supposed to be something that lots of UteeTTGRXRI-01612-00353048-00353327 people think of um synesthesia is UteeTTGRXRI-01613-00353328-00353478 obviously a fascinating phenomenon i UteeTTGRXRI-01614-00353479-00353663 think actually most of us experience it UteeTTGRXRI-01615-00353664-00353863 on to a lesser degree but then of course UteeTTGRXRI-01616-00353864-00353951 there are UteeTTGRXRI-01617-00353952-00354119 wonderful writers and artists who are UteeTTGRXRI-01618-00354120-00354310 able to exploit it and make something UteeTTGRXRI-01619-00354311-00354439 from it UteeTTGRXRI-01620-00354440-00354582 yeah i think it's interesting as well UteeTTGRXRI-01621-00354583-00354782 that that it kind of UteeTTGRXRI-01622-00354783-00355015 has infiltrated art history synesthesia UteeTTGRXRI-01623-00355016-00355327 because with kandinsky UteeTTGRXRI-01624-00355328-00355478 he started making what he called UteeTTGRXRI-01625-00355479-00355615 compositions UteeTTGRXRI-01626-00355616-00355823 right from hearing music and then he UteeTTGRXRI-01627-00355824-00355943 would make these paintings and he called UteeTTGRXRI-01628-00355944-00356182 them composition borrowing the term from UteeTTGRXRI-01629-00356183-00356447 music and now it's quite normal to talk UteeTTGRXRI-01630-00356448-00356630 about compositions of artworks and UteeTTGRXRI-01631-00356631-00356887 things like that so it's quite fun um UteeTTGRXRI-01632-00356888-00357127 synesthesia is really interesting i i UteeTTGRXRI-01633-00357128-00357271 don't have it but i find it really UteeTTGRXRI-01634-00357272-00357423 fascinating especially people who have UteeTTGRXRI-01635-00357424-00357606 it with like tastes and UteeTTGRXRI-01636-00357607-00357839 things like that yeah now it could be if UteeTTGRXRI-01637-00357840-00358023 you if you had it quite strongly it UteeTTGRXRI-01638-00358024-00358191 could be a bit burdensome UteeTTGRXRI-01639-00358192-00358327 yeah and UteeTTGRXRI-01640-00358328-00358478 we've got UteeTTGRXRI-01641-00358479-00358751 another one last question and i'm gonna UteeTTGRXRI-01642-00358752-00358982 combine two questions here um one of UteeTTGRXRI-01643-00358983-00359278 them was what is your favorite color and UteeTTGRXRI-01644-00359279-00359399 the other is UteeTTGRXRI-01645-00359400-00359567 if you could only see one color for the UteeTTGRXRI-01646-00359568-00359782 rest of your life UteeTTGRXRI-01647-00359783-00359967 what would you choose UteeTTGRXRI-01648-00359968-00360054 well UteeTTGRXRI-01649-00360055-00360143 um UteeTTGRXRI-01650-00360144-00360351 i mean i think that i'm extremely UteeTTGRXRI-01651-00360352-00360582 unoriginal in this and i would say that UteeTTGRXRI-01652-00360583-00360887 my favorite color is is blue and as i UteeTTGRXRI-01653-00360888-00361143 say that's what many many people think UteeTTGRXRI-01654-00361144-00361358 but is it just regular blue you know is UteeTTGRXRI-01655-00361359-00361582 there is there a specific UteeTTGRXRI-01656-00361583-00361663 i think UteeTTGRXRI-01657-00361664-00361806 i think give me an ultramarine i UteeTTGRXRI-01658-00361807-00361982 generally like the deeper the deeper UteeTTGRXRI-01659-00361983-00362199 tones of every color the richer tones of UteeTTGRXRI-01660-00362200-00362423 every color but deep deep ultramarine UteeTTGRXRI-01661-00362424-00362663 blue and that's the blue that has UteeTTGRXRI-01662-00362664-00363030 a slight violet tinge to it uh not a UteeTTGRXRI-01663-00363031-00363303 greeny blue don't like a greeny blue um UteeTTGRXRI-01664-00363304-00363391 although UteeTTGRXRI-01665-00363392-00363647 you know turquoises and eggshells and UteeTTGRXRI-01666-00363648-00363791 lovelets and those kinds of colors are UteeTTGRXRI-01667-00363792-00363975 wonderful but i don't like a sort of UteeTTGRXRI-01668-00363976-00364143 i've never liked prussian blue which is UteeTTGRXRI-01669-00364144-00364375 a kind of dull greeny blue but a UteeTTGRXRI-01670-00364376-00364639 beautiful violety blue i think is a UteeTTGRXRI-01671-00364640-00364919 really really desirable experience there UteeTTGRXRI-01672-00364920-00365158 it has a depth to it it you feel like UteeTTGRXRI-01673-00365159-00365478 you can fall into it in a way that UteeTTGRXRI-01674-00365479-00365678 you can't with other colors UteeTTGRXRI-01675-00365679-00365991 um blue recedes from the from the eye so UteeTTGRXRI-01676-00365992-00366230 some are some colors advanced towards as UteeTTGRXRI-01677-00366231-00366478 yellows and reds advanced to the eye uh UteeTTGRXRI-01678-00366479-00366815 blues and purples recede and i think UteeTTGRXRI-01679-00366816-00367071 actually that that that the color that UteeTTGRXRI-01680-00367072-00367310 draws you into it in that sense i find UteeTTGRXRI-01681-00367311-00367503 particularly appealing so yes blue would UteeTTGRXRI-01682-00367504-00367582 be UteeTTGRXRI-01683-00367583-00367823 would probably be my choice but as i say UteeTTGRXRI-01684-00367824-00368047 30 to 40 percent of people would choose UteeTTGRXRI-01685-00368048-00368239 would make the same decision UteeTTGRXRI-01686-00368240-00368447 yeah i have to admit i do really love UteeTTGRXRI-01687-00368448-00368678 ultramarine blue i also like ochre i UteeTTGRXRI-01688-00368679-00368830 think yogurt is a really it has a UteeTTGRXRI-01689-00368831-00368967 similar UteeTTGRXRI-01690-00368968-00369182 uh gives me similar good feelings is UteeTTGRXRI-01691-00369183-00369399 when i see the ultramarine UteeTTGRXRI-01692-00369400-00369503 yeah UteeTTGRXRI-01693-00369504-00369678 and then if you could only see one color UteeTTGRXRI-01694-00369679-00369847 that sounds pretty intense UteeTTGRXRI-01695-00369848-00369975 like UteeTTGRXRI-01696-00369976-00370103 what's this UteeTTGRXRI-01697-00370104-00370247 i'm not sure i think UteeTTGRXRI-01698-00370248-00370503 i maybe i'd go for something like gray i UteeTTGRXRI-01699-00370504-00370719 mean i wonder if you go if you can have UteeTTGRXRI-01700-00370720-00370919 shades of grey and we're so used to UteeTTGRXRI-01701-00370920-00371127 seeing the world seeing things through UteeTTGRXRI-01702-00371128-00371303 black and white photographs black and UteeTTGRXRI-01703-00371304-00371471 white films that perhaps it would be UteeTTGRXRI-01704-00371472-00371758 less unsettling than uh than seeing the UteeTTGRXRI-01705-00371759-00371982 world in only one other color um but UteeTTGRXRI-01706-00371983-00372071 obviously UteeTTGRXRI-01707-00372072-00372254 what about just wearing one color maybe UteeTTGRXRI-01708-00372255-00372423 that seems more UteeTTGRXRI-01709-00372424-00372615 like if you can only you know wear one UteeTTGRXRI-01710-00372616-00372799 color decorate your house UteeTTGRXRI-01711-00372800-00373023 you know my house is blue i have a bunch UteeTTGRXRI-01712-00373024-00373143 of songs UteeTTGRXRI-01713-00373144-00373375 if you if everything was one color that UteeTTGRXRI-01714-00373376-00373599 you used what would you go with oh i UteeTTGRXRI-01715-00373600-00373791 think black black or gray probably we UteeTTGRXRI-01716-00373792-00373951 recently renovated our house and we went UteeTTGRXRI-01717-00373952-00374175 for a we we went for some murky mid-tone UteeTTGRXRI-01718-00374176-00374375 grey i'm ashamed to admit and i i do UteeTTGRXRI-01719-00374376-00374502 quite like it because you don't really UteeTTGRXRI-01720-00374503-00374702 almost you don't really notice it so UteeTTGRXRI-01721-00374703-00374871 maybe gray or black UteeTTGRXRI-01722-00374872-00375054 yeah i think if you wear black all the UteeTTGRXRI-01723-00375055-00375287 time you could you just shake then right UteeTTGRXRI-01724-00375288-00375502 yeah UteeTTGRXRI-01725-00375503-00375623 well that's the other thing about black UteeTTGRXRI-01726-00375624-00375767 actually although it has these these UteeTTGRXRI-01727-00375768-00375982 negative connotations going back UteeTTGRXRI-01728-00375983-00376143 thousands of years of you people think UteeTTGRXRI-01729-00376144-00376391 of it connected to darkness it did UteeTTGRXRI-01730-00376392-00376575 emerge particularly in the early 20th UteeTTGRXRI-01731-00376576-00376815 century as the most chic color and this UteeTTGRXRI-01732-00376816-00377030 the color that was somehow timeless and UteeTTGRXRI-01733-00377031-00377271 stylish and we still use that phrase you UteeTTGRXRI-01734-00377272-00377495 know x is the new black again and again UteeTTGRXRI-01735-00377496-00377599 and again UteeTTGRXRI-01736-00377600-00377710 yeah UteeTTGRXRI-01737-00377711-00377895 i can't thank you enough for taking the UteeTTGRXRI-01738-00377896-00378071 time to uh have this conversation with UteeTTGRXRI-01739-00378072-00378254 me this is so interesting i hope UteeTTGRXRI-01740-00378255-00378454 everyone has enjoyed this as much as i UteeTTGRXRI-01741-00378455-00378551 have UteeTTGRXRI-01742-00378552-00378751 and had your questions answered don't UteeTTGRXRI-01743-00378752-00378999 forget to click that link above to UteeTTGRXRI-01744-00379000-00379271 buy the book because james does talk UteeTTGRXRI-01745-00379272-00379423 about these things and more and in UteeTTGRXRI-01746-00379424-00379599 greater detail and there's so much pop UteeTTGRXRI-01747-00379600-00379743 culture and art and so many things UteeTTGRXRI-01748-00379744-00379871 discussed in the book it's really UteeTTGRXRI-01749-00379872-00380110 interesting so thank you so much thank UteeTTGRXRI-01750-00380111-00380319 you fair and thank you everybody for for UteeTTGRXRI-01751-00380320-00380567 listening in on a friday night yeah good UteeTTGRXRI-01752-00380568-00381458 times UteeTTGRXRI-01753-00381459-00384095 [Music] UteeTTGRXRI-01754-00384096-00384303 you UuIajePDVdM-00000-00000071-00000445 good day foreign UuIajePDVdM-00001-00000446-00003329 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00002-00003329-00004046 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00003-00004047-00005728 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00004-00005729-00006522 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00005-00006523-00007097 [Applause] UuIajePDVdM-00006-00007098-00008870 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00007-00008871-00009656 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00008-00009657-00012125 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00009-00012126-00013007 [Music] UuIajePDVdM-00010-00013008-00013216 you UvrGNzLxiYU-00000-00000416-00000623 welcome to sermon brainwave with me UvrGNzLxiYU-00001-00000624-00000950 matt skinner and me caroline lewis UvrGNzLxiYU-00002-00000951-00001407 and me roth jacobson and me joy jaymore UvrGNzLxiYU-00003-00001408-00001782 the text for ash wednesday 2021 UvrGNzLxiYU-00004-00001784-00002110 which falls on february 17th are the UvrGNzLxiYU-00005-00002111-00002255 same as they were last year UvrGNzLxiYU-00006-00002256-00002571 and the year before that uh joel 2 1-2 UvrGNzLxiYU-00007-00002572-00003031 12-17 psalm 51 1-17 UvrGNzLxiYU-00008-00003032-00003383 second corinthians 5 20 b through 6 UvrGNzLxiYU-00009-00003384-00003686 10 and matthew 6 1 through 6 UvrGNzLxiYU-00010-00003688-00004063 and 16 through 21 UvrGNzLxiYU-00011-00004064-00004263 so as you said matt that's the that's UvrGNzLxiYU-00012-00004264-00004447 always the challenge right that UvrGNzLxiYU-00013-00004448-00004751 the texts for this year and UvrGNzLxiYU-00014-00004752-00005031 last year and the year before that and UvrGNzLxiYU-00015-00005032-00005222 the year before that and the year before UvrGNzLxiYU-00016-00005223-00005254 that UvrGNzLxiYU-00017-00005255-00005615 so the the main question becomes what is UvrGNzLxiYU-00018-00005616-00005951 the what are the the ways in which this UvrGNzLxiYU-00019-00005952-00006151 text sounds different particularly i UvrGNzLxiYU-00020-00006152-00006231 think UvrGNzLxiYU-00021-00006232-00006534 this ash wednesday uh because last UvrGNzLxiYU-00022-00006536-00006878 last ash wednesday we were not quite UvrGNzLxiYU-00023-00006879-00007270 in the pandemic uh we were looking at uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00024-00007272-00007431 what this possibly could mean but it UvrGNzLxiYU-00025-00007431-00007591 really was a couple sundays into lent UvrGNzLxiYU-00026-00007592-00007774 before we went into UvrGNzLxiYU-00027-00007775-00008006 uh lockdowns and stopped meeting in UvrGNzLxiYU-00028-00008008-00008167 person and so UvrGNzLxiYU-00029-00008168-00008351 a lot of uh well all the preachers out UvrGNzLxiYU-00030-00008352-00008487 there are trying to figure out okay what UvrGNzLxiYU-00031-00008488-00008678 are we doing for ashes and how are we UvrGNzLxiYU-00032-00008679-00008791 marking this but UvrGNzLxiYU-00033-00008792-00009039 uh but i think and we're not a UvrGNzLxiYU-00034-00009040-00009119 liturgical UvrGNzLxiYU-00035-00009120-00009399 podcast so i didn't think a whole lot UvrGNzLxiYU-00036-00009400-00009606 about what i'm going to do with ashes UvrGNzLxiYU-00037-00009607-00009951 but but that's the lens right through UvrGNzLxiYU-00038-00009952-00010142 uh through which we hear this text this UvrGNzLxiYU-00039-00010143-00010295 year is is still UvrGNzLxiYU-00040-00010296-00010519 in uh in this pandemic and how do we UvrGNzLxiYU-00041-00010520-00010687 hear this text differently and UvrGNzLxiYU-00042-00010688-00010895 and this day differently and this time UvrGNzLxiYU-00043-00010896-00011095 going into lent differently UvrGNzLxiYU-00044-00011096-00011246 how can we help preachers out there UvrGNzLxiYU-00045-00011247-00011510 think about um think about this day UvrGNzLxiYU-00046-00011511-00011838 at this moment i think is is the primary UvrGNzLxiYU-00047-00011839-00011974 question for UvrGNzLxiYU-00048-00011975-00012399 uh for this year well and of course UvrGNzLxiYU-00049-00012400-00012567 the the obvious thing here is that death UvrGNzLxiYU-00050-00012568-00012719 is in the air this year in ways that it UvrGNzLxiYU-00051-00012720-00012879 has not been for most of us UvrGNzLxiYU-00052-00012880-00013222 in our lives so while we're recording UvrGNzLxiYU-00053-00013223-00013279 this UvrGNzLxiYU-00054-00013280-00013558 at the very end of january at least in UvrGNzLxiYU-00055-00013559-00013775 the united states one out of every 750 UvrGNzLxiYU-00056-00013776-00013983 people have died UvrGNzLxiYU-00057-00013984-00014143 from the pandemic probably more than UvrGNzLxiYU-00058-00014144-00014391 that some communities have been hit UvrGNzLxiYU-00059-00014391-00014551 incredibly hard some congregations UvrGNzLxiYU-00060-00014552-00014719 incredibly hard so UvrGNzLxiYU-00061-00014719-00015055 the context is there for a day like UvrGNzLxiYU-00062-00015056-00015311 this and maybe not so much these texts UvrGNzLxiYU-00063-00015312-00015438 in particular UvrGNzLxiYU-00064-00015440-00015591 although we can talk about that but UvrGNzLxiYU-00065-00015591-00015838 certainly the context of UvrGNzLxiYU-00066-00015840-00016015 you know to dust you shall return and UvrGNzLxiYU-00067-00016016-00016199 and UvrGNzLxiYU-00068-00016200-00016494 and and not just the realization of that UvrGNzLxiYU-00069-00016495-00016558 but the UvrGNzLxiYU-00070-00016559-00016758 the deep pain that so many communities UvrGNzLxiYU-00071-00016759-00017047 are feeling right now UvrGNzLxiYU-00072-00017048-00017391 i agree no i can't cheer everybody up as UvrGNzLxiYU-00073-00017392-00017479 we get started UvrGNzLxiYU-00074-00017480-00017663 no i think i don't wonder how that it's UvrGNzLxiYU-00075-00017664-00017871 the rea it's the reality of the moment UvrGNzLxiYU-00076-00017872-00017958 that we're in UvrGNzLxiYU-00077-00017959-00018286 and um the other side of that UvrGNzLxiYU-00078-00018287-00018583 is you know just as we lean into the UvrGNzLxiYU-00079-00018584-00018727 gospel you know UvrGNzLxiYU-00080-00018728-00018999 how do you practice your piety you know UvrGNzLxiYU-00081-00019000-00019135 in the midst of UvrGNzLxiYU-00082-00019136-00019486 not only the um the loss that has been UvrGNzLxiYU-00083-00019487-00019711 experienced in terms of death UvrGNzLxiYU-00084-00019712-00019999 but the reality of our cultural UvrGNzLxiYU-00085-00020000-00020127 conflicts UvrGNzLxiYU-00086-00020128-00020519 the weight of mental health UvrGNzLxiYU-00087-00020520-00020830 that people are experiencing having been UvrGNzLxiYU-00088-00020831-00021150 you know on quarantine for a nearly uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00089-00021151-00021503 a year now um how do you practice your UvrGNzLxiYU-00090-00021504-00021599 piety UvrGNzLxiYU-00091-00021600-00021783 uh how do you do that in a way that UvrGNzLxiYU-00092-00021784-00021911 isn't arrogant UvrGNzLxiYU-00093-00021912-00022207 how do you do that in a way that um UvrGNzLxiYU-00094-00022208-00022422 draws attention to god UvrGNzLxiYU-00095-00022423-00022711 and uh so the question of how do we do UvrGNzLxiYU-00096-00022712-00022767 what is UvrGNzLxiYU-00097-00022768-00023055 a practice that we do all the time we UvrGNzLxiYU-00098-00023056-00023286 gather together we get this symbol UvrGNzLxiYU-00099-00023287-00023599 of ashes and we probably shouldn't do UvrGNzLxiYU-00100-00023600-00023735 that this year UvrGNzLxiYU-00101-00023736-00024094 uh and how do we practice our piety UvrGNzLxiYU-00102-00024095-00024407 so i think the approach that i would UvrGNzLxiYU-00103-00024408-00024791 lean into um for the gospel reading UvrGNzLxiYU-00104-00024792-00025071 reading would be to start there to UvrGNzLxiYU-00105-00025072-00025191 recognize UvrGNzLxiYU-00106-00025192-00025471 that we're doing this not to be seen by UvrGNzLxiYU-00107-00025472-00025662 others UvrGNzLxiYU-00108-00025663-00025894 and maybe this is an opportunity for us UvrGNzLxiYU-00109-00025895-00026039 to remember UvrGNzLxiYU-00110-00026039-00026295 what uh the season of lent does it UvrGNzLxiYU-00111-00026295-00026502 causes us to pause UvrGNzLxiYU-00112-00026504-00026814 and to turn our attention to the UvrGNzLxiYU-00113-00026816-00027023 presence and promise of god UvrGNzLxiYU-00114-00027024-00027327 that ultimately is made UvrGNzLxiYU-00115-00027327-00027743 is confirmed in the life teachings UvrGNzLxiYU-00116-00027744-00028062 death and resurrection of jesus UvrGNzLxiYU-00117-00028063-00028279 and that we don't i wanted to pause UvrGNzLxiYU-00118-00028280-00028446 there to say that we don't jump straight UvrGNzLxiYU-00119-00028447-00028527 to UvrGNzLxiYU-00120-00028527-00028831 the resurrection that we linger in the UvrGNzLxiYU-00121-00028832-00029023 difficulty of a life UvrGNzLxiYU-00122-00029024-00029287 that called for a counter-cultural a UvrGNzLxiYU-00123-00029288-00029407 reality UvrGNzLxiYU-00124-00029408-00029767 um and um it's not UvrGNzLxiYU-00125-00029768-00030079 it's not for others to see that we're UvrGNzLxiYU-00126-00030080-00030214 doing this UvrGNzLxiYU-00127-00030216-00030439 uh and i i think that's a challenge of UvrGNzLxiYU-00128-00030439-00030679 this text that maybe this moment UvrGNzLxiYU-00129-00030680-00031327 uh truly invites us to reconsider UvrGNzLxiYU-00130-00031327-00031727 go ahead caroline well i i i want to uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00131-00031727-00031935 build off of one thing that you said joy UvrGNzLxiYU-00132-00031936-00032055 that i think is helpful UvrGNzLxiYU-00133-00032056-00032351 in in terms of of this language of UvrGNzLxiYU-00134-00032352-00032399 leaning UvrGNzLxiYU-00135-00032400-00032718 into something uh leaning into UvrGNzLxiYU-00136-00032719-00033007 you know we talk so much about uh lent UvrGNzLxiYU-00137-00033008-00033055 being UvrGNzLxiYU-00138-00033056-00033271 uh and it's appropriate i think for us UvrGNzLxiYU-00139-00033272-00033462 to talk about the beginning of lent and UvrGNzLxiYU-00140-00033463-00033518 some of the UvrGNzLxiYU-00141-00033519-00033855 uh some of the realities around that and UvrGNzLxiYU-00142-00033856-00034087 we talk about lent as a time of of you UvrGNzLxiYU-00143-00034088-00034295 know giving up or what are we going to UvrGNzLxiYU-00144-00034296-00034679 and and uh several years ago i issued UvrGNzLxiYU-00145-00034680-00034790 all of that giving up UvrGNzLxiYU-00146-00034791-00035055 and um have over the years and UvrGNzLxiYU-00147-00035056-00035231 especially this year UvrGNzLxiYU-00148-00035232-00035439 thinking about what do we what what UvrGNzLxiYU-00149-00035440-00035623 kinds of practices can we lean UvrGNzLxiYU-00150-00035624-00035983 into uh that uh that that distinguished UvrGNzLxiYU-00151-00035984-00036095 this time UvrGNzLxiYU-00152-00036096-00036502 and uh and what and that's where i UvrGNzLxiYU-00153-00036503-00036646 one of the things that i heard in in UvrGNzLxiYU-00154-00036647-00036783 what you were saying joy is that what UvrGNzLxiYU-00155-00036784-00036951 are we leaning what kinds of UvrGNzLxiYU-00156-00036952-00037167 ways of being what kinds of ways of UvrGNzLxiYU-00157-00037168-00037279 doing discipleship UvrGNzLxiYU-00158-00037280-00037623 not about denial but leaning into UvrGNzLxiYU-00159-00037624-00037883 uh embodiment of discipleship in such a UvrGNzLxiYU-00160-00037884-00037999 way uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00161-00038000-00038279 that uh that you like as you said is not UvrGNzLxiYU-00162-00038280-00038407 is not for the sake of UvrGNzLxiYU-00163-00038408-00038599 not for the sake of others but the sake UvrGNzLxiYU-00164-00038600-00038735 of your own UvrGNzLxiYU-00165-00038736-00039102 uh your own uh deepening relationship UvrGNzLxiYU-00166-00039103-00039246 with god UvrGNzLxiYU-00167-00039247-00039551 and uh maybe that's a framework to UvrGNzLxiYU-00168-00039552-00039823 uh think about uh this passage and think UvrGNzLxiYU-00169-00039824-00039959 about when UvrGNzLxiYU-00170-00039960-00040287 ralph you were gonna jump in yeah UvrGNzLxiYU-00171-00040288-00040655 um coming off um UvrGNzLxiYU-00172-00040656-00041079 it's it seems to me that at least um UvrGNzLxiYU-00173-00041080-00041390 the two old testament uh readings UvrGNzLxiYU-00174-00041391-00041790 the customary for the day joel 2 UvrGNzLxiYU-00175-00041791-00042118 and psalm 51 and it's implicit in parts UvrGNzLxiYU-00176-00042119-00042279 of the gospel UvrGNzLxiYU-00177-00042280-00042623 call for the counter cultural practice UvrGNzLxiYU-00178-00042624-00042815 there's two different things that they UvrGNzLxiYU-00179-00042816-00042943 call for that which are profoundly UvrGNzLxiYU-00180-00042944-00043055 counter-cultural UvrGNzLxiYU-00181-00043056-00043239 the first is that we confess our own UvrGNzLxiYU-00182-00043240-00043367 sins UvrGNzLxiYU-00183-00043368-00043679 as i reflect on the broader culture our UvrGNzLxiYU-00184-00043680-00043815 culture is damn UvrGNzLxiYU-00185-00043816-00044118 good at confessing other people's sins UvrGNzLxiYU-00186-00044119-00044327 i've been watching politicians the last UvrGNzLxiYU-00187-00044328-00044558 few months get in front of the mic UvrGNzLxiYU-00188-00044559-00044974 and confess other people since and UvrGNzLxiYU-00189-00044975-00045279 never their own ever never does UvrGNzLxiYU-00190-00045280-00045623 anybody take uh accountability for their UvrGNzLxiYU-00191-00045624-00045751 own mistakes UvrGNzLxiYU-00192-00045752-00046039 they get up and they say uh you might be UvrGNzLxiYU-00193-00046040-00046183 able to tell the politician UvrGNzLxiYU-00194-00046184-00046423 i am speaking of but one of them said UvrGNzLxiYU-00195-00046424-00046502 you know UvrGNzLxiYU-00196-00046503-00046767 a bad government cost people lives and UvrGNzLxiYU-00197-00046768-00046943 the person that UvrGNzLxiYU-00198-00046944-00047358 was in front of the mic doing this um UvrGNzLxiYU-00199-00047359-00047615 is is uh known for having made some UvrGNzLxiYU-00200-00047616-00047839 really bad mistakes uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00201-00047840-00048007 in the pandemic which cost people their UvrGNzLxiYU-00202-00048008-00048151 lives but there's UvrGNzLxiYU-00203-00048152-00048343 there's no sense of ir there's first of UvrGNzLxiYU-00204-00048344-00048567 all there's no sense of contrition UvrGNzLxiYU-00205-00048568-00048846 not even a sense of irony that is yeah UvrGNzLxiYU-00206-00048847-00048927 that was you UvrGNzLxiYU-00207-00048928-00049302 dude right so what we don't do on ash UvrGNzLxiYU-00208-00049303-00049390 wednesday is come UvrGNzLxiYU-00209-00049391-00049727 and confess other people's sins UvrGNzLxiYU-00210-00049728-00049879 although a lot of pastors do that in UvrGNzLxiYU-00211-00049880-00050095 their sermons UvrGNzLxiYU-00212-00050096-00050446 um they think it's being prophetic UvrGNzLxiYU-00213-00050447-00050679 it's not in the joel sense we confess UvrGNzLxiYU-00214-00050680-00050951 our own sins UvrGNzLxiYU-00215-00050952-00051118 and that is something that our culture UvrGNzLxiYU-00216-00051119-00051302 doesn't know how to do UvrGNzLxiYU-00217-00051303-00051566 because our culture doesn't have a UvrGNzLxiYU-00218-00051567-00051702 gracious and merciful UvrGNzLxiYU-00219-00051703-00051999 god to whom we go and that's the other UvrGNzLxiYU-00220-00052000-00052094 pieces UvrGNzLxiYU-00221-00052095-00052479 return to the lord joel um UvrGNzLxiYU-00222-00052479-00052726 joel among the prophets is unique UvrGNzLxiYU-00223-00052727-00052991 because he actually thinks worship is UvrGNzLxiYU-00224-00052991-00053294 grace-bearing and beneficial amos UvrGNzLxiYU-00225-00053295-00053671 isaiah probably hosea UvrGNzLxiYU-00226-00053672-00053887 micah they don't think much of worship UvrGNzLxiYU-00227-00053888-00054175 they think worship is just a rote UvrGNzLxiYU-00228-00054176-00054335 ritual people go through that doesn't UvrGNzLxiYU-00229-00054336-00054542 change them joel's different joel says UvrGNzLxiYU-00230-00054544-00054847 no actually i think um sound the trumpet UvrGNzLxiYU-00231-00054848-00055015 and gather people for worship UvrGNzLxiYU-00232-00055016-00055223 um so the people that are there on ash UvrGNzLxiYU-00233-00055224-00055382 wednesday are the people that actually UvrGNzLxiYU-00234-00055383-00055550 think that worship UvrGNzLxiYU-00235-00055551-00055775 bears the grace of god in some way and UvrGNzLxiYU-00236-00055776-00056030 we do believe that and so UvrGNzLxiYU-00237-00056032-00056294 joel says return to the lord your god UvrGNzLxiYU-00238-00056295-00056479 for you is gracious and merciful slow to UvrGNzLxiYU-00239-00056479-00056638 anger bound in steadfast love and then UvrGNzLxiYU-00240-00056639-00056823 he's got this beautiful UvrGNzLxiYU-00241-00056824-00057159 beautiful um line UvrGNzLxiYU-00242-00057160-00057359 rend your hearts not your clothing which UvrGNzLxiYU-00243-00057360-00057638 to me also echoes deuteronomy UvrGNzLxiYU-00244-00057639-00057966 circumcise the foreskin of your hearts UvrGNzLxiYU-00245-00057967-00058215 and so that this the deep spiritual UvrGNzLxiYU-00246-00058216-00058479 moment of ash wednesday to me is that we UvrGNzLxiYU-00247-00058479-00058654 confess our own sins UvrGNzLxiYU-00248-00058655-00059054 as an act of returning to god and we do UvrGNzLxiYU-00249-00059055-00059126 so UvrGNzLxiYU-00250-00059127-00059399 um and that and that then is the leads UvrGNzLxiYU-00251-00059400-00059511 to what does that look like in UvrGNzLxiYU-00252-00059512-00059711 practicing the piety full circle back to UvrGNzLxiYU-00253-00059712-00059823 joy's UvrGNzLxiYU-00254-00059824-00060079 a joy in matthew which is don't do this UvrGNzLxiYU-00255-00060079-00060215 for the sake of appearances but what UvrGNzLxiYU-00256-00060216-00060438 does it actually mean to rend your heart UvrGNzLxiYU-00257-00060439-00060791 and circumcise your heart UvrGNzLxiYU-00258-00060791-00061126 i really appreciate that ralph um UvrGNzLxiYU-00259-00061127-00061366 one of the pieces i i thought you were UvrGNzLxiYU-00260-00061367-00061526 going to say something also about UvrGNzLxiYU-00261-00061527-00061815 about psalms and in in many ways that is UvrGNzLxiYU-00262-00061816-00062006 one that is exactly about UvrGNzLxiYU-00263-00062007-00062254 you know rending one's heart you know uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00264-00062255-00062350 uh uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00265-00062351-00062654 david's response uh when um UvrGNzLxiYU-00266-00062655-00062903 the prophet you know called him out on UvrGNzLxiYU-00267-00062904-00062982 his UvrGNzLxiYU-00268-00062983-00063430 irony um but as we we are often UvrGNzLxiYU-00269-00063432-00063742 told to put psalm 51 in the context of UvrGNzLxiYU-00270-00063744-00064111 king david's life but a few years ago UvrGNzLxiYU-00271-00064112-00064326 i was in a context that was pretty UvrGNzLxiYU-00272-00064327-00064471 dysfunctional UvrGNzLxiYU-00273-00064472-00064782 and uh it got to the point where UvrGNzLxiYU-00274-00064783-00065087 i could not preach because UvrGNzLxiYU-00275-00065088-00065406 uh people were looking for UvrGNzLxiYU-00276-00065407-00065806 ways that anything i said had to be UvrGNzLxiYU-00277-00065807-00066087 particularly pointing the finger at an UvrGNzLxiYU-00278-00066088-00066175 individual UvrGNzLxiYU-00279-00066176-00066335 and then they would you know say why did UvrGNzLxiYU-00280-00066336-00066647 you say my life story from the pulpit UvrGNzLxiYU-00281-00066648-00066903 so uh i did something that i've never UvrGNzLxiYU-00282-00066904-00067094 done before never done since UvrGNzLxiYU-00283-00067095-00067455 um but i told my uh bishop UvrGNzLxiYU-00284-00067456-00067750 that i would be preaching a packet a UvrGNzLxiYU-00285-00067751-00067967 prepared packet of sermons UvrGNzLxiYU-00286-00067968-00068303 that had been done by an organization UvrGNzLxiYU-00287-00068304-00068599 and i taped the sermon so that there was UvrGNzLxiYU-00288-00068600-00068694 proof that i was UvrGNzLxiYU-00289-00068695-00068991 reading someone else's sermon and the UvrGNzLxiYU-00290-00068992-00069135 commitment i made UvrGNzLxiYU-00291-00069136-00069294 because i'm a biblical preacher they UvrGNzLxiYU-00292-00069295-00069479 they gave a topical sermon UvrGNzLxiYU-00293-00069480-00069663 um and they gave a biblical sermon and UvrGNzLxiYU-00294-00069664-00069815 the commitment i gave UvrGNzLxiYU-00295-00069816-00070082 was that i would always do the biblical UvrGNzLxiYU-00296-00070083-00070271 sermon well UvrGNzLxiYU-00297-00070272-00070687 this sermon this year was UvrGNzLxiYU-00298-00070688-00071167 as we began lent was psalm 51 UvrGNzLxiYU-00299-00071168-00071550 and the when i was preparing the sermon UvrGNzLxiYU-00300-00071551-00071647 or preparing UvrGNzLxiYU-00301-00071648-00071959 to be able to deliver the sermon i in my UvrGNzLxiYU-00302-00071960-00072006 prayer UvrGNzLxiYU-00303-00072007-00072343 i said god i UvrGNzLxiYU-00304-00072344-00072591 know that this interpretation of the UvrGNzLxiYU-00305-00072592-00072687 text UvrGNzLxiYU-00306-00072688-00072943 and this wording of the sermon is UvrGNzLxiYU-00307-00072944-00073079 faithful UvrGNzLxiYU-00308-00073080-00073391 i don't think i'm currently in a place UvrGNzLxiYU-00309-00073392-00073623 where if i had been writing a sermon i UvrGNzLxiYU-00310-00073624-00073775 would write this UvrGNzLxiYU-00311-00073776-00074094 to say to this congregation but UvrGNzLxiYU-00312-00074095-00074391 i promised that i would do the biblical UvrGNzLxiYU-00313-00074392-00074455 text UvrGNzLxiYU-00314-00074456-00074606 so i'm not going to cheat and jump over UvrGNzLxiYU-00315-00074607-00074806 to the topical sermon UvrGNzLxiYU-00316-00074807-00075150 the sermon was setting UvrGNzLxiYU-00317-00075151-00075543 the text of david in of the psalm UvrGNzLxiYU-00318-00075544-00075791 in the life of david to get david to UvrGNzLxiYU-00319-00075792-00075935 make this prayer UvrGNzLxiYU-00320-00075936-00076238 and i i read the sermon as written UvrGNzLxiYU-00321-00076239-00076494 so i wasn't talking about people i UvrGNzLxiYU-00322-00076495-00076631 wasn't talking about our contemporary UvrGNzLxiYU-00323-00076632-00076743 context UvrGNzLxiYU-00324-00076744-00077055 i was in the scripture and UvrGNzLxiYU-00325-00077056-00077382 afterwards an 83 year old woman in the UvrGNzLxiYU-00326-00077383-00077503 congregation came UvrGNzLxiYU-00327-00077504-00077855 up to me and said if you UvrGNzLxiYU-00328-00077856-00078143 can preach that sermon to this UvrGNzLxiYU-00329-00078144-00078262 congregation UvrGNzLxiYU-00330-00078263-00078550 after what they've done to you then i'm UvrGNzLxiYU-00331-00078551-00078599 going to UvrGNzLxiYU-00332-00078600-00079055 have to have to ask god to rend my heart UvrGNzLxiYU-00333-00079056-00079343 and i tell that story to say that when UvrGNzLxiYU-00334-00079344-00079567 we're talking about being biblical UvrGNzLxiYU-00335-00079568-00079831 especially in a time when people are UvrGNzLxiYU-00336-00079832-00079991 feeling like well what are you talking UvrGNzLxiYU-00337-00079992-00080206 about to me UvrGNzLxiYU-00338-00080207-00080494 that actually the holy spirit can innoce UvrGNzLxiYU-00339-00080495-00080591 intercede UvrGNzLxiYU-00340-00080592-00080879 to do the work that only god can do if UvrGNzLxiYU-00341-00080880-00081182 we will trust this ancient word UvrGNzLxiYU-00342-00081183-00081447 appreciate the story joy a lot i i want UvrGNzLxiYU-00343-00081448-00081591 more details of but of course you're not UvrGNzLxiYU-00344-00081592-00081750 going to tell them all in the podcast UvrGNzLxiYU-00345-00081751-00081943 not on the podcast but we don't have UvrGNzLxiYU-00346-00081944-00082103 coffee all right UvrGNzLxiYU-00347-00082104-00082382 i want to turn the conversation UvrGNzLxiYU-00348-00082383-00082494 hopefully not too far of a different UvrGNzLxiYU-00349-00082495-00082615 direction but UvrGNzLxiYU-00350-00082616-00082782 as i was looking at these texts and UvrGNzLxiYU-00351-00082783-00082935 thinking about UvrGNzLxiYU-00352-00082936-00083231 ash wednesday 2021 it seems so UvrGNzLxiYU-00353-00083232-00083359 incredibly important that UvrGNzLxiYU-00354-00083360-00083503 and this is obvious of course that a UvrGNzLxiYU-00355-00083504-00083687 preacher knows exactly who they're UvrGNzLxiYU-00356-00083688-00083847 preaching to which has become such a UvrGNzLxiYU-00357-00083848-00084055 slippery thing these days UvrGNzLxiYU-00358-00084056-00084423 with so much uh online preaching and UvrGNzLxiYU-00359-00084424-00084599 and kind of not always knowing where the UvrGNzLxiYU-00360-00084600-00084775 message is is going which i think is a UvrGNzLxiYU-00361-00084776-00084855 good thing UvrGNzLxiYU-00362-00084856-00085047 but ash wednesday is typically such an UvrGNzLxiYU-00363-00085048-00085271 insider kind of service the people who UvrGNzLxiYU-00364-00085272-00085455 come to these UvrGNzLxiYU-00365-00085456-00085871 these midweek services so i can imagine UvrGNzLxiYU-00366-00085872-00086047 a preacher needing some real clarity you UvrGNzLxiYU-00367-00086048-00086238 could talk a lot about practices so many UvrGNzLxiYU-00368-00086239-00086438 people have brought their practices home UvrGNzLxiYU-00369-00086439-00086631 this year and have learned to do things UvrGNzLxiYU-00370-00086632-00086815 on their own UvrGNzLxiYU-00371-00086816-00086999 that ordinarily they would rely on a UvrGNzLxiYU-00372-00087000-00087150 group or on on the larger faith UvrGNzLxiYU-00373-00087151-00087335 community for UvrGNzLxiYU-00374-00087336-00087511 we've talked about confession and that UvrGNzLxiYU-00375-00087512-00087655 we've talked about the need for the UvrGNzLxiYU-00376-00087656-00087726 church to have UvrGNzLxiYU-00377-00087727-00088015 something to say about mortality that UvrGNzLxiYU-00378-00088016-00088103 isn't flippant UvrGNzLxiYU-00379-00088104-00088287 in our current circumstances and UvrGNzLxiYU-00380-00088288-00088471 complicated grief and all of the things UvrGNzLxiYU-00381-00088472-00088606 that are UvrGNzLxiYU-00382-00088607-00088847 so terrible but there's also a need i UvrGNzLxiYU-00383-00088848-00089094 think to preach outward UvrGNzLxiYU-00384-00089095-00089294 as well and to help people get a sense UvrGNzLxiYU-00385-00089295-00089567 for how the church UvrGNzLxiYU-00386-00089568-00089775 is already really well equipped to deal UvrGNzLxiYU-00387-00089776-00089967 with circumstances like this that we UvrGNzLxiYU-00388-00089968-00090094 have this kind UvrGNzLxiYU-00389-00090095-00090382 of language where we shouldn't be UvrGNzLxiYU-00390-00090383-00090479 surprised UvrGNzLxiYU-00391-00090480-00090903 by by suffering we have words of hope UvrGNzLxiYU-00392-00090904-00091015 that are going to sound incredibly UvrGNzLxiYU-00393-00091016-00091135 counter-cultural and so second UvrGNzLxiYU-00394-00091136-00091311 corinthians really resonates with me UvrGNzLxiYU-00395-00091312-00091494 this year as a way for the church to UvrGNzLxiYU-00396-00091495-00091615 preach UvrGNzLxiYU-00397-00091616-00091799 both to encourage its own but also to UvrGNzLxiYU-00398-00091800-00091975 preach outwardly UvrGNzLxiYU-00399-00091976-00092118 and say look if you've been looking at UvrGNzLxiYU-00400-00092119-00092318 church as as UvrGNzLxiYU-00401-00092319-00092487 kind of a country club or just kind of a UvrGNzLxiYU-00402-00092488-00092791 a really large support group you've UvrGNzLxiYU-00403-00092792-00092911 missed something and we haven't UvrGNzLxiYU-00404-00092912-00093071 portrayed it to you correctly and the UvrGNzLxiYU-00405-00093072-00093287 way in which paul talks about UvrGNzLxiYU-00406-00093288-00093518 his own sufferings being a means by UvrGNzLxiYU-00407-00093519-00093606 which UvrGNzLxiYU-00408-00093607-00093926 uh christ is manifest in him toward the UvrGNzLxiYU-00409-00093927-00094079 end of that passage people tend to jump UvrGNzLxiYU-00410-00094080-00094231 to the reconciliation language at the UvrGNzLxiYU-00411-00094232-00094471 beginning but the stuff towards the end UvrGNzLxiYU-00412-00094472-00094638 i think speaks really powerfully this UvrGNzLxiYU-00413-00094639-00094887 year especially as a way of helping a UvrGNzLxiYU-00414-00094888-00095023 church recalibrate UvrGNzLxiYU-00415-00095024-00095423 its sense of identity so we don't come UvrGNzLxiYU-00416-00095424-00095606 out of this pandemic and assume there's UvrGNzLxiYU-00417-00095607-00095855 a normal to go back to UvrGNzLxiYU-00418-00095856-00096182 but somehow we use this crisis to UvrGNzLxiYU-00419-00096183-00096462 to regain an understanding of what UvrGNzLxiYU-00420-00096463-00096591 christian witness is supposed to look UvrGNzLxiYU-00421-00096592-00096815 like in the world UvrGNzLxiYU-00422-00096816-00097023 i really appreciate that matt and i i UvrGNzLxiYU-00423-00097024-00097174 realize that we're kind of like weaving UvrGNzLxiYU-00424-00097175-00097215 in UvrGNzLxiYU-00425-00097216-00097479 uh all the text kind of at the same time UvrGNzLxiYU-00426-00097480-00097535 uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00427-00097536-00097767 in part again what we're resonating with UvrGNzLxiYU-00428-00097768-00097879 this year UvrGNzLxiYU-00429-00097880-00098135 i was thinking along the same lines with UvrGNzLxiYU-00430-00098136-00098382 with the matthew passage and UvrGNzLxiYU-00431-00098383-00098718 uh and what is it that what is what is UvrGNzLxiYU-00432-00098719-00098759 it that UvrGNzLxiYU-00433-00098760-00099006 is distinctive about the church in terms UvrGNzLxiYU-00434-00099007-00099062 of its UvrGNzLxiYU-00435-00099063-00099326 uh in terms of its practices and in this UvrGNzLxiYU-00436-00099327-00099550 case in terms of its prayer UvrGNzLxiYU-00437-00099551-00099838 and i this is where i you don't UvrGNzLxiYU-00438-00099839-00100023 necessarily have to add the verses but UvrGNzLxiYU-00439-00100024-00100062 you know UvrGNzLxiYU-00440-00100063-00100335 the verses that are missing in the UvrGNzLxiYU-00441-00100336-00100671 matthew passage are the lord's prayer UvrGNzLxiYU-00442-00100672-00100999 and so it it's like well what what UvrGNzLxiYU-00443-00101000-00101231 does our prayer look like well it looks UvrGNzLxiYU-00444-00101232-00101303 like UvrGNzLxiYU-00445-00101304-00101631 your kingdom come your will be done uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00446-00101632-00101903 and and the way in which the which the UvrGNzLxiYU-00447-00101904-00102015 lord's prayer UvrGNzLxiYU-00448-00102016-00102311 functions as a corrective there uh to UvrGNzLxiYU-00449-00102312-00102454 the kinds of prayer UvrGNzLxiYU-00450-00102455-00102766 that is uh the babbling that's the UvrGNzLxiYU-00451-00102767-00102958 that's the verb in verse seven that's UvrGNzLxiYU-00452-00102959-00103199 translated heap up empty phrases UvrGNzLxiYU-00453-00103200-00103478 the babbling that we hear there's this UvrGNzLxiYU-00454-00103479-00103518 uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00455-00103519-00103839 there's this sense of of what is it UvrGNzLxiYU-00456-00103840-00104086 what is it about uh what is it about our UvrGNzLxiYU-00457-00104088-00104278 prayer what is it about our practices as UvrGNzLxiYU-00458-00104279-00104439 you said matt that are UvrGNzLxiYU-00459-00104440-00104751 uh that are outward focused and UvrGNzLxiYU-00460-00104752-00105007 uh outward focused in that what do UvrGNzLxiYU-00461-00105008-00105095 people see UvrGNzLxiYU-00462-00105096-00105286 or what do people experience or what do UvrGNzLxiYU-00463-00105288-00105423 people hear UvrGNzLxiYU-00464-00105424-00105719 uh in our prayer and that's and that's UvrGNzLxiYU-00465-00105720-00105751 the UvrGNzLxiYU-00466-00105752-00105902 that's the corrective of the lord's UvrGNzLxiYU-00467-00105903-00106063 prayer here uh UvrGNzLxiYU-00468-00106064-00106231 and really going back to what you were UvrGNzLxiYU-00469-00106232-00106431 saying ralph that this is not that this UvrGNzLxiYU-00470-00106432-00106566 is um UvrGNzLxiYU-00471-00106567-00106775 what is it about what is it about ash UvrGNzLxiYU-00472-00106776-00106902 wednesday that's really calling UvrGNzLxiYU-00473-00106903-00107047 attention to UvrGNzLxiYU-00474-00107048-00107278 uh a corrective in our own lives i've UvrGNzLxiYU-00475-00107279-00107478 seen are we praying for UvrGNzLxiYU-00476-00107479-00107766 god's kingdom or are we praying uh for UvrGNzLxiYU-00477-00107767-00107878 ourselves UvrGNzLxiYU-00478-00107879-00108258 and so i think that's appreciated that UvrGNzLxiYU-00479-00108259-00108559 thanks UxddRnQ9vSU-00000-00000000-00000202 Oregon Health and Science University UxddRnQ9vSU-00001-00000202-00000632 heliport FAA lid 900 r6 is a private UxddRnQ9vSU-00002-00000633-00000883 heliport located in Portland in mono UxddRnQ9vSU-00003-00000884-00001202 McCown T Oregon United States at Oregon UxddRnQ9vSU-00004-00001203-00001923 Health and Science 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day UxYAP4L1JO0-00008-00002634-00002915 started let me reassure those who missed UxYAP4L1JO0-00009-00002916-00003034 my class yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00010-00003035-00003359 that in terms of the syllabus in terms UxYAP4L1JO0-00011-00003360-00003533 of the syllabus that is prescribed for UxYAP4L1JO0-00012-00003534-00003838 you for meg7 you have not missed UxYAP4L1JO0-00013-00003839-00004090 anything per se because we were UxYAP4L1JO0-00014-00004092-00004313 discussing an overview of the course we UxYAP4L1JO0-00015-00004314-00004469 were discussing how to approach the UxYAP4L1JO0-00016-00004470-00004715 paper we were talking about the outlets UxYAP4L1JO0-00017-00004716-00004954 or Avenues of uh going through your UxYAP4L1JO0-00018-00004955-00005099 syllabus your previous year question UxYAP4L1JO0-00019-00005100-00005375 papers your assignment questions and so UxYAP4L1JO0-00020-00005376-00005561 on and so forth and we were also UxYAP4L1JO0-00021-00005562-00005843 discovering a few links so even if you UxYAP4L1JO0-00022-00005844-00006065 missed my class yesterday you could say UxYAP4L1JO0-00023-00006066-00006263 hi to any of your batchmate later today UxYAP4L1JO0-00024-00006264-00006532 or tomorrow or anytime you feel like and UxYAP4L1JO0-00025-00006533-00006706 they may be happy to share with you the UxYAP4L1JO0-00026-00006708-00006953 resources that we discussed yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00027-00006954-00007198 just in case they don't feel free to UxYAP4L1JO0-00028-00007200-00007427 contact me as well yesterday I had asked UxYAP4L1JO0-00029-00007428-00007631 you to fill in your details in the sheet UxYAP4L1JO0-00030-00007631-00007834 and asked you to initiate a WhatsApp UxYAP4L1JO0-00031-00007836-00008146 group uh quite interestingly only three UxYAP4L1JO0-00032-00008147-00008309 or four people have entered the details UxYAP4L1JO0-00033-00008310-00008585 and it seems none of you have initiated UxYAP4L1JO0-00034-00008586-00008855 the group so I would request you to do UxYAP4L1JO0-00035-00008856-00009017 that today I'll share the link later a UxYAP4L1JO0-00036-00009018-00009221 little while later today so please form UxYAP4L1JO0-00037-00009222-00009413 a WhatsApp group so that the materials UxYAP4L1JO0-00038-00009414-00009646 can be shared you can discuss among the UxYAP4L1JO0-00039-00009647-00009953 ourselves uh put it into mg7 that is UxYAP4L1JO0-00040-00009954-00010324 okay so for those who joined today be UxYAP4L1JO0-00041-00010325-00010553 happy that there's no portion touch so UxYAP4L1JO0-00042-00010554-00010835 far we'll begin today and then we have UxYAP4L1JO0-00043-00010836-00011003 four more or three more sessions left UxYAP4L1JO0-00044-00011004-00011303 this week so there are seven or eight UxYAP4L1JO0-00045-00011304-00011549 more hours left from this particular UxYAP4L1JO0-00046-00011550-00011885 Point onwards okay so let's get started UxYAP4L1JO0-00047-00011886-00012083 with and uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00048-00012084-00012317 as we get started with let me also ask UxYAP4L1JO0-00049-00012318-00012628 you for those who came yesterday some of UxYAP4L1JO0-00050-00012629-00012815 you were quite Keen to know what I would UxYAP4L1JO0-00051-00012816-00013072 be dealing with today and I did tell you UxYAP4L1JO0-00052-00013073-00013325 that you know come with a blank slate of UxYAP4L1JO0-00053-00013326-00013505 mine but then did you go back to any of UxYAP4L1JO0-00054-00013506-00013619 your blogs did you read something UxYAP4L1JO0-00055-00013619-00013841 yesterday or today did you get time to UxYAP4L1JO0-00056-00013841-00013975 go through something UxYAP4L1JO0-00057-00013976-00014207 Pros poetry something UxYAP4L1JO0-00058-00014208-00014416 the reason why I asked you to come with UxYAP4L1JO0-00059-00014418-00014758 a blank State of Mind is uh I could UxYAP4L1JO0-00060-00014759-00014980 begin from anywhere and as far as this UxYAP4L1JO0-00061-00014981-00015251 m87 sessions are concerned I told you UxYAP4L1JO0-00062-00015252-00015425 yesterday itself academic counseling UxYAP4L1JO0-00063-00015426-00015611 sessions are not actually meant to be UxYAP4L1JO0-00064-00015612-00015953 lecturing sessions uh they are supposed UxYAP4L1JO0-00065-00015954-00016211 to be doubt clearance sessions but UxYAP4L1JO0-00066-00016212-00016553 because most of our Learners are in a UxYAP4L1JO0-00067-00016554-00016744 way Limited in terms of hands-on UxYAP4L1JO0-00068-00016745-00017136 experience or limited to lectures UxYAP4L1JO0-00069-00017137-00017471 they request us to deal with a few UxYAP4L1JO0-00070-00017472-00017758 portions so at times we end up lecturing UxYAP4L1JO0-00071-00017759-00017963 a little bit here and there but ideally UxYAP4L1JO0-00072-00017964-00018179 as far as the conceptualization goes UxYAP4L1JO0-00073-00018180-00018425 academic counselors are not lecturers UxYAP4L1JO0-00074-00018426-00018611 they are not called professors they are UxYAP4L1JO0-00075-00018612-00018772 not called lecturers that's why we are UxYAP4L1JO0-00076-00018773-00018977 called academic counselors we are here UxYAP4L1JO0-00077-00018978-00019264 for doubt here but despite that UxYAP4L1JO0-00078-00019265-00019450 we know that because we only have a few UxYAP4L1JO0-00079-00019451-00019643 sessions we have to deal with some UxYAP4L1JO0-00080-00019644-00019864 pieces or the other with an examination UxYAP4L1JO0-00081-00019865-00020044 perspective in mind UxYAP4L1JO0-00082-00020045-00020369 so when that be kept in mind there is UxYAP4L1JO0-00083-00020370-00020585 one thing I forgot to mention yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00084-00020586-00020783 I was taking you on a tour of the UxYAP4L1JO0-00085-00020784-00020980 assignment questions previous year UxYAP4L1JO0-00086-00020981-00021227 question papers the syllabus and so on UxYAP4L1JO0-00087-00021228-00021449 and so forth but one thing I forgot to UxYAP4L1JO0-00088-00021450-00021761 tell you is apart from the fact that the UxYAP4L1JO0-00089-00021762-00021883 first part of your question paper UxYAP4L1JO0-00090-00021884-00022133 contains annotations UxYAP4L1JO0-00091-00022134-00022385 another thing that you may find slightly UxYAP4L1JO0-00092-00022386-00022649 problematic with meg7 UxYAP4L1JO0-00093-00022650-00022864 also with the paper American literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00094-00022865-00023080 I think it's me G6 if you have opted for UxYAP4L1JO0-00095-00023081-00023494 a paper meg6 these two papers have UxYAP4L1JO0-00096-00023495-00023758 a specific complexity UxYAP4L1JO0-00097-00023759-00024035 which some Learners may find to be UxYAP4L1JO0-00098-00024036-00024203 problematic UxYAP4L1JO0-00099-00024204-00024508 for instance if you ask me about my UxYAP4L1JO0-00100-00024509-00024827 preferences in terms of genres UxYAP4L1JO0-00101-00024828-00025199 I am a person who is extremely fond of UxYAP4L1JO0-00102-00025200-00025391 drama UxYAP4L1JO0-00103-00025392-00025627 the moment you say there's a play in the UxYAP4L1JO0-00104-00025627-00025972 syllabus I'll be excited UxYAP4L1JO0-00105-00025973-00026267 I don't mind reading short stories and UxYAP4L1JO0-00106-00026268-00026446 novels UxYAP4L1JO0-00107-00026447-00026602 but generally UxYAP4L1JO0-00108-00026604-00026837 when it comes to poetry UxYAP4L1JO0-00109-00026838-00027077 or let's say when it comes to some other UxYAP4L1JO0-00110-00027077-00027239 genres UxYAP4L1JO0-00111-00027239-00027545 I may not be as comfortable dealing with UxYAP4L1JO0-00112-00027545-00027917 them as I deal with say poetry or I say UxYAP4L1JO0-00113-00027918-00028199 deal with novel or gram UxYAP4L1JO0-00114-00028200-00028679 so the problem with images 7 and meg6 is UxYAP4L1JO0-00115-00028680-00028805 that UxYAP4L1JO0-00116-00028806-00029170 being a paper that encompasses an entire UxYAP4L1JO0-00117-00029172-00029320 literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00118-00029322-00029662 actually a title is a misnomer UxYAP4L1JO0-00119-00029663-00029896 it is actually not Indian English UxYAP4L1JO0-00120-00029897-00030167 literature or American literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00121-00030168-00030431 if you go to the current mg University UxYAP4L1JO0-00122-00030432-00030773 ma syllabus you would see that the same UxYAP4L1JO0-00123-00030774-00031037 paper with different text that is is UxYAP4L1JO0-00124-00031038-00031349 titled as American literatures and UxYAP4L1JO0-00125-00031350-00031618 Indian English literatures because over UxYAP4L1JO0-00126-00031619-00031973 the last decade or so we the Academia UxYAP4L1JO0-00127-00031974-00032212 have come to acknowledge this UxYAP4L1JO0-00128-00032213-00032543 multiplicity of voices and the UxYAP4L1JO0-00129-00032544-00032752 reciprocity of the literatures that we UxYAP4L1JO0-00130-00032753-00032885 come across UxYAP4L1JO0-00131-00032886-00033137 so we don't speak about a monotonous UxYAP4L1JO0-00132-00033138-00033412 voice we do not speak about a unitary UxYAP4L1JO0-00133-00033413-00033659 literature rather we look at it we look UxYAP4L1JO0-00134-00033660-00033851 at that from a broader perspective and UxYAP4L1JO0-00135-00033852-00034049 we call them literatures UxYAP4L1JO0-00136-00034050-00034259 so from that purview because the paper UxYAP4L1JO0-00137-00034260-00034583 deals with Indian English literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00138-00034584-00034949 it cuts across all sorts of genres UxYAP4L1JO0-00139-00034950-00035117 you may remember the syllabus that I UxYAP4L1JO0-00140-00035118-00035285 showed to you yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00141-00035286-00035596 there are novels there are plays there UxYAP4L1JO0-00142-00035597-00035909 are short stories there are poems there UxYAP4L1JO0-00143-00035910-00036179 is non-fictional prose so there is quite UxYAP4L1JO0-00144-00036180-00036443 a lot of genres coming all together over UxYAP4L1JO0-00145-00036444-00036635 the eight blocks that's prescribed for UxYAP4L1JO0-00146-00036636-00036799 you UxYAP4L1JO0-00147-00036800-00037193 which means in that sense it's slightly UxYAP4L1JO0-00148-00037194-00037373 complicated UxYAP4L1JO0-00149-00037374-00037571 for instance you will have to read the UxYAP4L1JO0-00150-00037572-00037961 blocks of read all the units in Block UxYAP4L1JO0-00151-00037962-00038279 seven poetry with the aim of appearing UxYAP4L1JO0-00152-00038280-00038585 for the first section that is annotation UxYAP4L1JO0-00153-00038586-00038777 you may have to read Midnight children UxYAP4L1JO0-00154-00038778-00039095 or kanta Pura or clear the day of the UxYAP4L1JO0-00155-00039096-00039407 light and the other Pros works with the UxYAP4L1JO0-00156-00039408-00039574 view of writing an essay UxYAP4L1JO0-00157-00039575-00039809 so the preparation and the reading and UxYAP4L1JO0-00158-00039810-00040012 the mental uh effort that you put into UxYAP4L1JO0-00159-00040013-00040337 it varies based on the genre UxYAP4L1JO0-00160-00040338-00040595 say for instance if you prepare for uh I UxYAP4L1JO0-00161-00040596-00040727 mean it's not enough but I'm just saying UxYAP4L1JO0-00162-00040728-00040889 it for the sake of saying it let's say UxYAP4L1JO0-00163-00040890-00041129 you are preparing for kankapura merely UxYAP4L1JO0-00164-00041130-00041357 preparing for that by looking at a UxYAP4L1JO0-00165-00041358-00041615 summary on the web can still help you to UxYAP4L1JO0-00166-00041616-00041855 clear your exams but then if you have to UxYAP4L1JO0-00167-00041856-00042190 prepare uh from block seven let's say a UxYAP4L1JO0-00168-00042191-00042449 poetrical piece then maybe you will have UxYAP4L1JO0-00169-00042450-00042707 to go extensively into that poem read it UxYAP4L1JO0-00170-00042708-00042952 twice Thrice quarterly times and then UxYAP4L1JO0-00171-00042953-00043162 analyze it look at the various facets of UxYAP4L1JO0-00172-00043163-00043367 it and then big beep and also remember UxYAP4L1JO0-00173-00043368-00043589 those lines so the moment it comes into UxYAP4L1JO0-00174-00043590-00043768 the question paper you could recollect UxYAP4L1JO0-00175-00043769-00043955 okay this is from this particular stanza UxYAP4L1JO0-00176-00043956-00044140 this particular poem written by this UxYAP4L1JO0-00177-00044141-00044273 particular writer UxYAP4L1JO0-00178-00044274-00044555 so that's how the genres would confuse UxYAP4L1JO0-00179-00044556-00044777 you sometimes or would create a sort of UxYAP4L1JO0-00180-00044778-00044933 a question mark UxYAP4L1JO0-00181-00044934-00045221 I personally would struggle to memorize UxYAP4L1JO0-00182-00045222-00045485 the lines from poetry I will still be UxYAP4L1JO0-00183-00045486-00045707 able to write what a poem means or UxYAP4L1JO0-00184-00045708-00045935 intense but then to remember the lines UxYAP4L1JO0-00185-00045936-00046151 and then write it down to the answer UxYAP4L1JO0-00186-00046152-00046349 sheets could be difficult for me a UxYAP4L1JO0-00187-00046350-00046630 learner like me and I acknowledge that UxYAP4L1JO0-00188-00046631-00046817 most some at least some of you would UxYAP4L1JO0-00189-00046818-00047002 have same problems some people would UxYAP4L1JO0-00190-00047003-00047218 have the same problem with Place some UxYAP4L1JO0-00191-00047219-00047555 would have it with novels so that is a UxYAP4L1JO0-00192-00047556-00047729 problem that Indian English literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00193-00047730-00048190 presents so when I asked you not to read UxYAP4L1JO0-00194-00048191-00048521 something beforehand for today's session UxYAP4L1JO0-00195-00048522-00048755 that's more because we are gonna get UxYAP4L1JO0-00196-00048756-00049055 into an engaging session UxYAP4L1JO0-00197-00049056-00049283 and I was slightly confused between two UxYAP4L1JO0-00198-00049284-00049415 genres UxYAP4L1JO0-00199-00049416-00049702 I was confused as to where to begin from UxYAP4L1JO0-00200-00049703-00049955 I could begin with short stories I could UxYAP4L1JO0-00201-00049956-00050177 begin with novels I could get started UxYAP4L1JO0-00202-00050178-00050357 with poetry there are quite a lot of UxYAP4L1JO0-00203-00050358-00050543 options in that page and menu we only UxYAP4L1JO0-00204-00050544-00050723 have five sessions and today is the UxYAP4L1JO0-00205-00050724-00050830 second one UxYAP4L1JO0-00206-00050831-00051136 so uh Dr Prema has promised that we'll UxYAP4L1JO0-00207-00051137-00051346 be having extended sessions next week UxYAP4L1JO0-00208-00051347-00051569 but then I'm not so sure about that so UxYAP4L1JO0-00209-00051570-00051808 as far as considering the worst case UxYAP4L1JO0-00210-00051809-00052054 scenario providing we have only sessions UxYAP4L1JO0-00211-00052055-00052163 this week UxYAP4L1JO0-00212-00052164-00052547 then it becomes a challenge for me to UxYAP4L1JO0-00213-00052548-00052757 gauge between these genres UxYAP4L1JO0-00214-00052758-00052979 with quite a lot of UxYAP4L1JO0-00215-00052979-00053237 Works to pick from what to teach and UxYAP4L1JO0-00216-00053238-00053369 what not to teach UxYAP4L1JO0-00217-00053370-00053609 or what to discuss and what not UxYAP4L1JO0-00218-00053610-00054053 discuss so amidst this problem UxYAP4L1JO0-00219-00054054-00054263 I told you yesterday not to go back and UxYAP4L1JO0-00220-00054264-00054544 look or refer anything but then as a UxYAP4L1JO0-00221-00054545-00054904 general suggestion I would ask you to go UxYAP4L1JO0-00222-00054905-00055192 read all the prose Works prescribed for UxYAP4L1JO0-00223-00055194-00056100 you UxYAP4L1JO0-00224-00056101-00056435 and so on because as and when we get UxYAP4L1JO0-00225-00056436-00056644 time in an hour not in two hours but UxYAP4L1JO0-00226-00056645-00056969 then quickly in 45 to 60 minutes we'll UxYAP4L1JO0-00227-00056970-00057185 deal with these words when I started UxYAP4L1JO0-00228-00057186-00057394 today's class with my dad's children I'm UxYAP4L1JO0-00229-00057395-00057532 sure most of you would have thought UxYAP4L1JO0-00230-00057533-00057725 today we are going to deal with it no we UxYAP4L1JO0-00231-00057726-00058026 are not we're not doing it because UxYAP4L1JO0-00232-00058027-00058253 needs some sort of a pitching before I UxYAP4L1JO0-00233-00058254-00058342 started UxYAP4L1JO0-00234-00058344-00058530 roshni is one of the most complex UxYAP4L1JO0-00235-00058532-00058847 novelists that India have ever seen so UxYAP4L1JO0-00236-00058848-00058991 we'll come together a little while later UxYAP4L1JO0-00237-00058991-00059237 also UxYAP4L1JO0-00238-00059238-00059423 The Dilemma is between essays and UxYAP4L1JO0-00239-00059424-00059716 annotations so there were a few Learners UxYAP4L1JO0-00240-00059717-00059932 who had what's happening yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00241-00059933-00060179 asking me about the complexities of UxYAP4L1JO0-00242-00060179-00060407 attempting the annotations and asking me UxYAP4L1JO0-00243-00060408-00060737 how to memorize and get the questions UxYAP4L1JO0-00244-00060738-00060988 from poetry correct so then I thought UxYAP4L1JO0-00245-00060989-00061253 we'll begin with poet generally poetry UxYAP4L1JO0-00246-00061254-00061457 is about invoking the muse UxYAP4L1JO0-00247-00061458-00061882 we invoke the muses we sort of get into UxYAP4L1JO0-00248-00061883-00062141 a solemn prayer and then we get started UxYAP4L1JO0-00249-00062141-00062273 with poetry that's how the Greeks used UxYAP4L1JO0-00250-00062274-00062453 to do so I thought let's begin with UxYAP4L1JO0-00251-00062454-00062842 poetry and let's see where we can uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00252-00062844-00062992 progress from there in this week UxYAP4L1JO0-00253-00062994-00063244 tomorrow hopefully I'll move to prose UxYAP4L1JO0-00254-00063245-00063604 and use poetry as a fit Gap arrange UxYAP4L1JO0-00255-00063605-00063899 let's say if I speak about rusli for an UxYAP4L1JO0-00256-00063900-00064138 hour and a half or quarter for the UxYAP4L1JO0-00257-00064139-00064385 remaining 30 to 35 minutes I'll try to UxYAP4L1JO0-00258-00064386-00064654 rush through one poem here and there and UxYAP4L1JO0-00259-00064655-00064799 as far as poems are concerned it's UxYAP4L1JO0-00260-00064800-00064954 better that you come with a blank slate UxYAP4L1JO0-00261-00064955-00065182 of Mind do not come prepared UxYAP4L1JO0-00262-00065183-00065411 even the same applies for the novels but UxYAP4L1JO0-00263-00065412-00065591 then if you just go through some summary UxYAP4L1JO0-00264-00065592-00065825 or the blocks that would help you to UxYAP4L1JO0-00265-00065826-00066125 maybe form certain questions or maybe UxYAP4L1JO0-00266-00066126-00066425 correct me if at all I go wrong some so UxYAP4L1JO0-00267-00066426-00066623 that's why it would be recommended UxYAP4L1JO0-00268-00066624-00066875 without much had you let's get the day UxYAP4L1JO0-00269-00066876-00067073 started we have an interesting writer to UxYAP4L1JO0-00270-00067074-00067409 believe it today and uh as I told you I UxYAP4L1JO0-00271-00067410-00067565 don't want the lecture to be monotonous UxYAP4L1JO0-00272-00067566-00067817 I'm not intending to speak for the next UxYAP4L1JO0-00273-00067818-00068075 say 75 to 90 minutes UxYAP4L1JO0-00274-00068076-00068344 because then it becomes boring already I UxYAP4L1JO0-00275-00068345-00068500 can't see if you are listening to me or UxYAP4L1JO0-00276-00068501-00068735 not I've told this yesterday itself you UxYAP4L1JO0-00277-00068736-00068915 may be traveling you may be in your UxYAP4L1JO0-00278-00068916-00069047 kitchen you may be doing some other UxYAP4L1JO0-00279-00069048-00069293 business and you'll be just hearing me UxYAP4L1JO0-00280-00069294-00069779 rather than listening so UxYAP4L1JO0-00281-00069780-00070109 so I don't want to have such a futile UxYAP4L1JO0-00282-00070110-00070349 exercise but rather these sessions would UxYAP4L1JO0-00283-00070350-00070571 become a lot more interesting the moment UxYAP4L1JO0-00284-00070572-00070876 this becomes interactional so let's get UxYAP4L1JO0-00285-00070877-00071081 the day started with a poet UxYAP4L1JO0-00286-00071082-00071297 the people from RC coaching or people UxYAP4L1JO0-00287-00071298-00071555 from Kerala are quite familiar with UxYAP4L1JO0-00288-00071556-00071891 she is known in various names unlike UxYAP4L1JO0-00289-00071892-00072059 many other writers who have only one UxYAP4L1JO0-00290-00072060-00072305 name or a pen name perhaps two names UxYAP4L1JO0-00291-00072306-00072544 there but then a nomenclature but here UxYAP4L1JO0-00292-00072545-00072809 this particular order has three or she's UxYAP4L1JO0-00293-00072810-00072953 known by three names UxYAP4L1JO0-00294-00072954-00073217 she's called Kamala Das UxYAP4L1JO0-00295-00073218-00073523 she is called Kabbalah surayya she is UxYAP4L1JO0-00296-00073524-00073829 also called madhavi kutti UxYAP4L1JO0-00297-00073830-00074111 the malayalis in particular would easily UxYAP4L1JO0-00298-00074112-00074344 be able to relate to her and for those UxYAP4L1JO0-00299-00074345-00074567 from the north would have still learned UxYAP4L1JO0-00300-00074568-00074759 her during your bachelor's or maybe UxYAP4L1JO0-00301-00074760-00075035 during your school days in one form or UxYAP4L1JO0-00302-00075036-00075119 the other UxYAP4L1JO0-00303-00075120-00075359 so because she is a malayali writer and UxYAP4L1JO0-00304-00075360-00075550 we have quite a lot of care lights out UxYAP4L1JO0-00305-00075551-00075767 here let's get the day started with what UxYAP4L1JO0-00306-00075768-00075971 you know about kamladas come on let's UxYAP4L1JO0-00307-00075972-00076103 show it to the world there are quite a UxYAP4L1JO0-00308-00076104-00076325 lot of pan Indian audience out here UxYAP4L1JO0-00309-00076326-00076565 let's see what the malayalis know about UxYAP4L1JO0-00310-00076566-00076859 kamaladas before I try to you know bring UxYAP4L1JO0-00311-00076860-00077032 all those together and give you an UxYAP4L1JO0-00312-00077033-00077255 overview on kamaladas UxYAP4L1JO0-00313-00077256-00077419 if you would mind unmuting yourself UxYAP4L1JO0-00314-00077420-00077662 there is no right and wrong answers here UxYAP4L1JO0-00315-00077663-00077800 you can feel free to express yourself UxYAP4L1JO0-00316-00077801-00077993 and mind you you won't get any other UxYAP4L1JO0-00317-00077994-00078191 space like this where you could just UxYAP4L1JO0-00318-00078192-00078365 unleash yourselves UxYAP4L1JO0-00319-00078366-00079456 so feel free to open up them UxYAP4L1JO0-00320-00079457-00079847 um I've learned three poems of us so UxYAP4L1JO0-00321-00079848-00080071 from that when you read the poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00322-00080072-00080375 uh what I felt is UxYAP4L1JO0-00323-00080376-00080826 the expression of being a woman woman or UxYAP4L1JO0-00324-00080827-00081088 how she portrays a woman UxYAP4L1JO0-00325-00081089-00081347 the something that gives you happiness UxYAP4L1JO0-00326-00081348-00081676 it gives you you are happy you give you UxYAP4L1JO0-00327-00081677-00081949 as a woman maybe I feel that UxYAP4L1JO0-00328-00081950-00082259 uh you are UxYAP4L1JO0-00329-00082260-00082475 this is there are some writers whose UxYAP4L1JO0-00330-00082476-00082799 writing when you read you you feel that UxYAP4L1JO0-00331-00082800-00083081 you're Mis portrayed you're not uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00332-00083082-00083362 expressed properly or how the way oh UxYAP4L1JO0-00333-00083363-00083638 this is not our woman behaves sometimes UxYAP4L1JO0-00334-00083639-00083969 you feel that but you read uh Kamala UxYAP4L1JO0-00335-00083970-00084106 Suraj poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00336-00084107-00084526 or work as such you feel wow UxYAP4L1JO0-00337-00084527-00084809 that's how a woman is and that's how she UxYAP4L1JO0-00338-00084810-00085091 should be written UxYAP4L1JO0-00339-00085092-00085949 that's one aspect of it it's just one UxYAP4L1JO0-00340-00085950-00086393 anybody else would like to add to that UxYAP4L1JO0-00341-00086394-00087125 yes believe G please go on UxYAP4L1JO0-00342-00087126-00087329 Mr dilip I can see that your hands are UxYAP4L1JO0-00343-00087330-00087659 raised UxYAP4L1JO0-00344-00087660-00088018 are you there UxYAP4L1JO0-00345-00088019-00088253 Mr dilip UxYAP4L1JO0-00346-00088254-00088571 hello yeah yes please go on UxYAP4L1JO0-00347-00088572-00088768 can you hear yeah yeah so one thing UxYAP4L1JO0-00348-00088769-00088937 about the UxYAP4L1JO0-00349-00088938-00089255 kamla does is that her writings has got UxYAP4L1JO0-00350-00089256-00089585 uh very much a kind of uh very openly UxYAP4L1JO0-00351-00089586-00089794 speaking about the restrictions imposed UxYAP4L1JO0-00352-00089795-00089987 on women UxYAP4L1JO0-00353-00089988-00090179 there is something which I have also UxYAP4L1JO0-00354-00090180-00090317 heard about UxYAP4L1JO0-00355-00090318-00090647 okay UxYAP4L1JO0-00356-00090648-00090959 great uh Tyrone I can see your hands UxYAP4L1JO0-00357-00090960-00091273 raised as well UxYAP4L1JO0-00358-00091274-00091865 yes uh kamla does yeah sees a feminist UxYAP4L1JO0-00359-00091866-00092225 basically and she has written three uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00360-00092226-00092537 in our syllabus there are three poems in UxYAP4L1JO0-00361-00092538-00092855 product and introduction and there are UxYAP4L1JO0-00362-00092856-00092935 other UxYAP4L1JO0-00363-00092936-00093232 grandmothers love and like my old UxYAP4L1JO0-00364-00093233-00093617 grandmother like so my grandmother yeah UxYAP4L1JO0-00365-00093618-00093947 these are the poems taken from uh summer UxYAP4L1JO0-00366-00093948-00094397 in Calcutta so yes she has written these UxYAP4L1JO0-00367-00094398-00094937 uh poems and in these crcs UxYAP4L1JO0-00368-00094938-00095344 uh talking about that what she wanted in UxYAP4L1JO0-00369-00095345-00095573 her life and see UxYAP4L1JO0-00370-00095574-00095938 it's a semi autobiographical in a way UxYAP4L1JO0-00371-00095939-00096487 and so in this poem see uh talks about UxYAP4L1JO0-00372-00096488-00097049 things like she wanted uh some um but UxYAP4L1JO0-00373-00097050-00097300 she could not get what whatever and uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00374-00097301-00097487 so UxYAP4L1JO0-00375-00097488-00097793 and so these things inside series UxYAP4L1JO0-00376-00097794-00097985 mentioned like UxYAP4L1JO0-00377-00097986-00098341 problems he get got and UxYAP4L1JO0-00378-00098342-00098741 inner life so that looks good okay great UxYAP4L1JO0-00379-00098742-00098987 thank you thank you would anybody else UxYAP4L1JO0-00380-00098988-00099275 like to add to it any personal details UxYAP4L1JO0-00381-00099276-00099526 biographical details that you are UxYAP4L1JO0-00382-00099527-00099671 familiar with that you would like to UxYAP4L1JO0-00383-00099672-00100337 share UxYAP4L1JO0-00384-00100338-00100612 anyone else UxYAP4L1JO0-00385-00100613-00100829 okay I could see two hands raised let me UxYAP4L1JO0-00386-00100830-00101038 go back to Shreya once again yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00387-00101039-00101243 ah I just wanted to add one more thing UxYAP4L1JO0-00388-00101244-00101567 to that uh I started I first read her UxYAP4L1JO0-00389-00101568-00101824 poem when I was in 12th so as a young UxYAP4L1JO0-00390-00101825-00102143 adolescent who's growing up her poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00391-00102144-00102341 kind of give you a permission it's not UxYAP4L1JO0-00392-00102342-00102563 that time you feel as if it's a UxYAP4L1JO0-00393-00102564-00102713 permission that it's okay to feel things UxYAP4L1JO0-00394-00102714-00103144 it's okay uh to express yourself uh it's UxYAP4L1JO0-00395-00103145-00103390 more like now I know it is okay it is UxYAP4L1JO0-00396-00103391-00103636 somewhere in the lines of liberalization UxYAP4L1JO0-00397-00103638-00104092 so she gives a kind of encouragement for UxYAP4L1JO0-00398-00104093-00104423 that uh you get that from her while UxYAP4L1JO0-00399-00104424-00104621 reading her works UxYAP4L1JO0-00400-00104622-00105808 foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-00401-00105809-00106060 no I didn't raise the hand it was UxYAP4L1JO0-00402-00106061-00106223 actually previously done UxYAP4L1JO0-00403-00106224-00106501 okay okay fine thank you UxYAP4L1JO0-00404-00106502-00106949 anyone else would like to UxYAP4L1JO0-00405-00106950-00107243 add Tales any personal references from UxYAP4L1JO0-00406-00107244-00107597 kamaladas that comes to your mind UxYAP4L1JO0-00407-00107598-00108473 when we discuss all these things UxYAP4L1JO0-00408-00108474-00108833 all right doesn't matter so let me okay UxYAP4L1JO0-00409-00108833-00109225 I think tarun UxYAP4L1JO0-00410-00109226-00109516 she was married at a young age I think UxYAP4L1JO0-00411-00109517-00110027 at 16 years and uh so at that day is she UxYAP4L1JO0-00412-00110028-00110284 was not mentally prepared nobody is UxYAP4L1JO0-00413-00110285-00110557 prepared at that youngest for marriage UxYAP4L1JO0-00414-00110558-00111113 so and these things so that is that UxYAP4L1JO0-00415-00111114-00111508 I understand thank you so a basic UxYAP4L1JO0-00416-00111509-00111821 understanding of kamla Das personal life UxYAP4L1JO0-00417-00111822-00112102 would help you understand and appreciate UxYAP4L1JO0-00418-00112103-00112283 her poems better UxYAP4L1JO0-00419-00112283-00112486 I am aware that from from our UxYAP4L1JO0-00420-00112488-00112715 interactions yesterday I am aware that UxYAP4L1JO0-00421-00112716-00112895 most of you have gone through the blocks UxYAP4L1JO0-00422-00112896-00113134 and have attempted your assignment UxYAP4L1JO0-00423-00113135-00113273 questions UxYAP4L1JO0-00424-00113274-00113531 so that accounts like some just a while UxYAP4L1JO0-00425-00113532-00113686 ago I think Karen was speaking about the UxYAP4L1JO0-00426-00113688-00113921 three poems so that's because you have UxYAP4L1JO0-00427-00113922-00114101 gone through the blocks you're familiar UxYAP4L1JO0-00428-00114102-00114239 with the titles you know what exactly UxYAP4L1JO0-00429-00114240-00114443 goes in that poem that's why I told you UxYAP4L1JO0-00430-00114444-00114689 I would rather not depend on a UxYAP4L1JO0-00431-00114690-00114899 stereotypical lecture but rather bring UxYAP4L1JO0-00432-00114900-00115115 certain things into your perspective UxYAP4L1JO0-00433-00115116-00115439 so talking about kamaladas she was born UxYAP4L1JO0-00434-00115440-00115673 into a famous or rather prestigious UxYAP4L1JO0-00435-00115674-00115978 family here in Kerala called the UxYAP4L1JO0-00436-00115979-00116158 nalapath UxYAP4L1JO0-00437-00116159-00116351 so the nalapad family is what she UxYAP4L1JO0-00438-00116352-00116860 belonged to and her father nalapatan and UxYAP4L1JO0-00439-00116861-00117013 her mother UxYAP4L1JO0-00440-00117014-00117358 where two prominent writers in Malayalam UxYAP4L1JO0-00441-00117359-00117647 she belonged to a literary family just UxYAP4L1JO0-00442-00117648-00117886 like Virginia wool for instance UxYAP4L1JO0-00443-00117888-00118315 despite the social differences despite UxYAP4L1JO0-00444-00118316-00118560 uh you know the UxYAP4L1JO0-00445-00118561-00118913 uh gender politics and a lot of stuff UxYAP4L1JO0-00446-00118914-00119207 going on despite the restrictions people UxYAP4L1JO0-00447-00119208-00119531 who are born into a literary family or a UxYAP4L1JO0-00448-00119532-00119797 political family or an affluent family UxYAP4L1JO0-00449-00119798-00120101 enjoy this privilege of getting a better UxYAP4L1JO0-00450-00120102-00120431 opportunity to voice themselves so UxYAP4L1JO0-00451-00120432-00120736 kamaladas are not equity for that sake UxYAP4L1JO0-00452-00120738-00121031 being born in the nalapath family had UxYAP4L1JO0-00453-00121032-00121336 that privilege of slightly bypassing UxYAP4L1JO0-00454-00121338-00121552 those gender disorders uh sorry gender UxYAP4L1JO0-00455-00121553-00121763 discriminations and express horses UxYAP4L1JO0-00456-00121764-00121978 because of mother herself sorry her UxYAP4L1JO0-00457-00121979-00122143 grandmother herself UxYAP4L1JO0-00458-00122144-00122339 was a UxYAP4L1JO0-00459-00122340-00122677 an accomplished writer back then UxYAP4L1JO0-00460-00122678-00122836 so UxYAP4L1JO0-00461-00122838-00123154 from that context she grew up at a very UxYAP4L1JO0-00462-00123155-00123539 literary family her house was slight was UxYAP4L1JO0-00463-00123540-00123875 kind of a miniature Library she was born UxYAP4L1JO0-00464-00123876-00124108 and brought up amidst a pile of books UxYAP4L1JO0-00465-00124109-00124510 she was a voracious reader she also had UxYAP4L1JO0-00466-00124511-00124781 it in her genes to get into writing UxYAP4L1JO0-00467-00124782-00125189 and uh like tarun pointed out at a very UxYAP4L1JO0-00468-00125190-00125640 young age she got married UxYAP4L1JO0-00469-00125641-00125963 an extremely elderly person to her and UxYAP4L1JO0-00470-00125964-00126178 his name was Das that's why it is UxYAP4L1JO0-00471-00126179-00126340 kamaladas UxYAP4L1JO0-00472-00126341-00126634 so Kamala gets married to das at a very UxYAP4L1JO0-00473-00126635-00127049 young age and uh there was definitely a UxYAP4L1JO0-00474-00127050-00127295 marital discard between her and her UxYAP4L1JO0-00475-00127296-00127481 husband UxYAP4L1JO0-00476-00127482-00127877 apart to make that worse because Das was UxYAP4L1JO0-00477-00127878-00128158 from Kolkata he worked in Kolkata Kamala UxYAP4L1JO0-00478-00128159-00128483 had to leave her Heritage Home in Kerala UxYAP4L1JO0-00479-00128483-00128873 in nalapata and my grade to Calcutta UxYAP4L1JO0-00480-00128874-00129352 becomes UxYAP4L1JO0-00481-00129353-00129634 the Crux of most of our popes UxYAP4L1JO0-00482-00129635-00129821 somebody mentioned the name of the UxYAP4L1JO0-00483-00129822-00130025 collection summer in Calcutta which is UxYAP4L1JO0-00484-00130026-00130225 her first poetry collection in English UxYAP4L1JO0-00485-00130226-00130607 so if you read somewhere in Kolkata UxYAP4L1JO0-00486-00130608-00130823 most of the works UxYAP4L1JO0-00487-00130824-00131147 narrate her experiences in Calcutta UxYAP4L1JO0-00488-00131148-00131435 maybe domestic problems between her and UxYAP4L1JO0-00489-00131436-00131747 her husband maybe her personal feelings UxYAP4L1JO0-00490-00131748-00132031 maybe her nostalgic longings about her UxYAP4L1JO0-00491-00132032-00132383 nalapat house in Kerala her attempts to UxYAP4L1JO0-00492-00132384-00132701 go back to Kerala and so on and so forth UxYAP4L1JO0-00493-00132702-00132964 uh some of you might have read this poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00494-00132965-00133175 The bangle sellers during your school UxYAP4L1JO0-00495-00133176-00133433 days that deals with or a hot noon in UxYAP4L1JO0-00496-00133434-00133685 Malabar for instance so these are poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00497-00133686-00133985 where she recounts how uh things were UxYAP4L1JO0-00498-00133986-00134219 when she was a child in Kerala and how UxYAP4L1JO0-00499-00134220-00134477 things are different in Calcutta she she UxYAP4L1JO0-00500-00134478-00134735 draws this inevitable comparisons UxYAP4L1JO0-00501-00134736-00134951 between uh the place where she has UxYAP4L1JO0-00502-00134952-00135227 migrated and what is her hometown UxYAP4L1JO0-00503-00135228-00135485 so amidst a wide range of such UxYAP4L1JO0-00504-00135486-00135695 comparisons you could see her poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00505-00135696-00135863 developing UxYAP4L1JO0-00506-00135864-00136145 her personal experiences could indeed be UxYAP4L1JO0-00507-00136146-00136307 seen in her poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00508-00136308-00136583 you could see apart from this nostalgic UxYAP4L1JO0-00509-00136584-00136793 longing and representations of Calcutta UxYAP4L1JO0-00510-00136794-00136985 you could see representations of UxYAP4L1JO0-00511-00136986-00137231 marriage marital Discord UxYAP4L1JO0-00512-00137232-00137495 and when that comes up you could see the UxYAP4L1JO0-00513-00137496-00137789 political patriarchal references UxYAP4L1JO0-00514-00137790-00138028 women empowerment UxYAP4L1JO0-00515-00138029-00138502 so uh gender-based themes all are in UxYAP4L1JO0-00516-00138503-00138881 pregnant and abound in her writings you UxYAP4L1JO0-00517-00138882-00139061 could see that kamla Das dwells deep UxYAP4L1JO0-00518-00139062-00139378 into this uh uh problems that she faces UxYAP4L1JO0-00519-00139379-00139799 as a woman as a wife as someone who is UxYAP4L1JO0-00520-00139800-00139943 Longing For Love UxYAP4L1JO0-00521-00139944-00140290 who's longing for Homeland so all this UxYAP4L1JO0-00522-00140291-00140711 comes uh and becomes part of poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00523-00140712-00140975 along with this UxYAP4L1JO0-00524-00140976-00141202 I have mentioned must also be made to a UxYAP4L1JO0-00525-00141203-00141352 particular term UxYAP4L1JO0-00526-00141353-00141604 most of our poems were personal UxYAP4L1JO0-00527-00141605-00141923 and writing poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00528-00141924-00142235 which are based on one's thoughts or UxYAP4L1JO0-00529-00142236-00142463 feelings or experiences UxYAP4L1JO0-00530-00142464-00142601 in UxYAP4L1JO0-00531-00142602-00143140 canonical terms are called Dash UxYAP4L1JO0-00532-00143141-00143375 I give you examples poems written by UxYAP4L1JO0-00533-00143376-00143675 Emily Dickinson poems written by Sylvia UxYAP4L1JO0-00534-00143676-00143843 Platt UxYAP4L1JO0-00535-00143844-00144109 they all belong to a particular ship UxYAP4L1JO0-00536-00144110-00144377 confessional portrait UxYAP4L1JO0-00537-00144378-00144521 yes UxYAP4L1JO0-00538-00144522-00144821 professional poetry poetry spot on just UxYAP4L1JO0-00539-00144822-00145211 give me a second yes we have class today UxYAP4L1JO0-00540-00145212-00145528 just give me a second somebody is unable UxYAP4L1JO0-00541-00145529-00145866 to log into our class UxYAP4L1JO0-00542-00145867-00146087 this is the UxYAP4L1JO0-00543-00146088-00146413 click please join UxYAP4L1JO0-00544-00146414-00146789 yep sorry for the delay UxYAP4L1JO0-00545-00146790-00146921 um I was trying to tell you yes that's UxYAP4L1JO0-00546-00146922-00147223 called confessional poetry UxYAP4L1JO0-00547-00147224-00147545 poems could also be termed as UxYAP4L1JO0-00548-00147546-00147761 confessional poetry UxYAP4L1JO0-00549-00147762-00147977 there's one thing I forgot to correct in UxYAP4L1JO0-00550-00147978-00148151 terms of your pronunciation most of your UxYAP4L1JO0-00551-00148152-00148331 pronunciation not only today but UxYAP4L1JO0-00552-00148332-00148559 yesterday also uh the word UxYAP4L1JO0-00553-00148560-00148864 p-o-a-e-m-p-o-e-m UxYAP4L1JO0-00554-00148865-00149081 it is I indianized English that we call UxYAP4L1JO0-00555-00149082-00149357 them as poem but its pronunciation was UxYAP4L1JO0-00556-00149358-00149711 poem it's poor it's not poem it's not UxYAP4L1JO0-00557-00149712-00150089 poem it's not poem it's poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00558-00150090-00150316 it's totally fine for you to express it UxYAP4L1JO0-00559-00150317-00150514 as poems here because this is a place UxYAP4L1JO0-00560-00150515-00150707 that I told you I I see this as a UxYAP4L1JO0-00561-00150708-00150911 training ground for you you can unleash UxYAP4L1JO0-00562-00150912-00151133 yourself but the moment you clear your UxYAP4L1JO0-00563-00151134-00151289 post graduation and you go somewhere and UxYAP4L1JO0-00564-00151290-00151552 try to become teachers what you act is UxYAP4L1JO0-00565-00151553-00151733 equally important so I'd like to caution UxYAP4L1JO0-00566-00151734-00151949 you against that pronunciation but yes UxYAP4L1JO0-00567-00151950-00152140 so when it comes to the poems of UxYAP4L1JO0-00568-00152141-00152569 kamladas you could see these many themes UxYAP4L1JO0-00569-00152570-00152749 foreground UxYAP4L1JO0-00570-00152750-00153035 gender-based personal or confessional in UxYAP4L1JO0-00571-00153036-00153287 tone political patriarchal women UxYAP4L1JO0-00572-00153288-00153449 empowerment UxYAP4L1JO0-00573-00153450-00153647 dealing with the locales of Calcutta UxYAP4L1JO0-00574-00153648-00153887 versus Kerala nostalgic longings UxYAP4L1JO0-00575-00153888-00154033 marriage UxYAP4L1JO0-00576-00154034-00154307 Das was not a cruel man but the age UxYAP4L1JO0-00577-00154308-00154576 difference had actually made a huge a UxYAP4L1JO0-00578-00154577-00154889 wide Gulf between Kamala and Das UxYAP4L1JO0-00579-00154890-00155237 and she struggled a lot because of that UxYAP4L1JO0-00580-00155238-00155902 so before we get started with her poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00581-00155903-00156095 like Tyrone said there are three poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00582-00156096-00156221 prescribed UxYAP4L1JO0-00583-00156222-00156443 I can't promise that I'll deal with all UxYAP4L1JO0-00584-00156444-00156587 the three but maybe I'll try to deal UxYAP4L1JO0-00585-00156588-00156923 with two for your convenience and uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00586-00156924-00157163 before we get started with that let me UxYAP4L1JO0-00587-00157164-00157381 also query quickly discuss with you UxYAP4L1JO0-00588-00157382-00157697 about this particular term called Indian UxYAP4L1JO0-00589-00157698-00157973 English literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00590-00157974-00158171 we had partially discussed this UxYAP4L1JO0-00591-00158172-00158261 yesterday UxYAP4L1JO0-00592-00158262-00158459 more often than not UxYAP4L1JO0-00593-00158460-00158716 Indian English in comparison to other UxYAP4L1JO0-00594-00158717-00159059 literatures is considered to be a UxYAP4L1JO0-00595-00159060-00159323 degradable one trying to tell you that UxYAP4L1JO0-00596-00159324-00159623 yeah when it comes to Indian English UxYAP4L1JO0-00597-00159624-00159949 literature there is this particular UxYAP4L1JO0-00598-00159950-00160193 deteriorative view that people have UxYAP4L1JO0-00599-00160194-00160463 regarding the Indian English uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00600-00160464-00160702 literature as such or writing in Indian UxYAP4L1JO0-00601-00160703-00160823 English UxYAP4L1JO0-00602-00160824-00161140 so when it comes to that it is also UxYAP4L1JO0-00603-00161141-00161321 because UxYAP4L1JO0-00604-00161322-00161657 English is not a primary language UxYAP4L1JO0-00605-00161658-00161837 but mind you the same is the case with UxYAP4L1JO0-00606-00161838-00162119 so many other postcolonial countries UxYAP4L1JO0-00607-00162120-00162401 so we generally speak about British UxYAP4L1JO0-00608-00162402-00162587 English as a standard English variety UxYAP4L1JO0-00609-00162588-00162785 then we speak about American English UxYAP4L1JO0-00610-00162786-00163054 even Canadian and Australian English is UxYAP4L1JO0-00611-00163055-00163289 okay but then we speak about the other UxYAP4L1JO0-00612-00163290-00163540 English literatures as others we speak UxYAP4L1JO0-00613-00163541-00163769 about African literatures Caribbean UxYAP4L1JO0-00614-00163770-00164021 literatures Indian literatures in a UxYAP4L1JO0-00615-00164022-00164201 derogatory tone UxYAP4L1JO0-00616-00164202-00164393 so when it comes to Indian English UxYAP4L1JO0-00617-00164394-00164585 literature UxYAP4L1JO0-00618-00164586-00164873 this protects is something that most of UxYAP4L1JO0-00619-00164874-00165107 the Indian writers found to be a little UxYAP4L1JO0-00620-00165108-00165389 bit upsetting UxYAP4L1JO0-00621-00165390-00165616 if you go to the block UxYAP4L1JO0-00622-00165617-00165869 on Midnight's Children UxYAP4L1JO0-00623-00165870-00166037 you would come across in the first unit UxYAP4L1JO0-00624-00166038-00166259 you would come across a discussion in UxYAP4L1JO0-00625-00166260-00166697 this path UxYAP4L1JO0-00626-00166698-00166876 well I'm not gonna deal with it right UxYAP4L1JO0-00627-00166877-00167345 now but then just to give you UxYAP4L1JO0-00628-00167346-00167843 a reference UxYAP4L1JO0-00629-00167844-00168185 I suppose it is in unit two uh you have UxYAP4L1JO0-00630-00168186-00168425 a reference where the block talks to you UxYAP4L1JO0-00631-00168426-00168731 about how writers like mulkarajan and RK UxYAP4L1JO0-00632-00168732-00169187 Narayan and all used English UxYAP4L1JO0-00633-00169188-00169451 so what was until then that is until UxYAP4L1JO0-00634-00169452-00169816 1940s or 1950s considered to be other UxYAP4L1JO0-00635-00169817-00170069 other because we are Indians it is an UxYAP4L1JO0-00636-00170070-00170254 alien tongue to us English is an alien UxYAP4L1JO0-00637-00170255-00170773 come to us from 1940 onwards UxYAP4L1JO0-00638-00170774-00171089 they all started to conceive English as UxYAP4L1JO0-00639-00171090-00171340 our own because for more than 100 years UxYAP4L1JO0-00640-00171341-00171652 being a colony we were using English so UxYAP4L1JO0-00641-00171653-00172019 during the 1940s during the 1940s these UxYAP4L1JO0-00642-00172020-00172343 writers this trial of mulkarajan and the UxYAP4L1JO0-00643-00172344-00172549 arc NRI and then UxYAP4L1JO0-00644-00172550-00172931 Raja Rao they started to look at in UxYAP4L1JO0-00645-00172932-00173116 English literature as not an inferior UxYAP4L1JO0-00646-00173117-00173381 thing but as one of the languages that UxYAP4L1JO0-00647-00173382-00173573 we use UxYAP4L1JO0-00648-00173574-00173807 so disregarding certain common UxYAP4L1JO0-00649-00173808-00174040 attributes of English so UxYAP4L1JO0-00650-00174041-00174287 they started to use it in an indianized UxYAP4L1JO0-00651-00174288-00174485 week and they started to celebrate that UxYAP4L1JO0-00652-00174486-00174652 indianized way we'll come to that later UxYAP4L1JO0-00653-00174653-00174835 when we discuss Untouchable or UxYAP4L1JO0-00654-00174836-00175126 kanthapura or midnight children but for UxYAP4L1JO0-00655-00175127-00175654 the time being as a part of beginning UxYAP4L1JO0-00656-00175655-00175849 I'd like to bring to you notice that UxYAP4L1JO0-00657-00175850-00176225 they used uh this uh Indian English in UxYAP4L1JO0-00658-00176226-00176326 that manner UxYAP4L1JO0-00659-00176327-00176561 then Anita Desai came I'm talking about UxYAP4L1JO0-00660-00176562-00176778 novels for the time so another recycle UxYAP4L1JO0-00661-00176779-00177131 and after another Desai during the 1970s UxYAP4L1JO0-00662-00177132-00177401 they were a kind of void UxYAP4L1JO0-00663-00177402-00177599 there were no major writers or major UxYAP4L1JO0-00664-00177600-00177833 writing styles in Indian English that UxYAP4L1JO0-00665-00177834-00177940 came from UxYAP4L1JO0-00666-00177941-00178343 and then came Salman rusby in 1981. UxYAP4L1JO0-00667-00178344-00178613 followed by arangadi Roy and amida of UxYAP4L1JO0-00668-00178614-00178793 Ghosh a few years later UxYAP4L1JO0-00669-00178794-00179026 and that is where Indian English in a UxYAP4L1JO0-00670-00179027-00179357 way became more prominent in terms of UxYAP4L1JO0-00671-00179358-00179663 comparison but whenever as an Indian you UxYAP4L1JO0-00672-00179664-00179878 attempt to write in English UxYAP4L1JO0-00673-00179879-00180304 you surface a lot of humiliations so UxYAP4L1JO0-00674-00180305-00180533 kamaladas despite being formed to uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00675-00180534-00180701 despite being born to a well-known UxYAP4L1JO0-00676-00180702-00181025 Malayalam malayali family so uh whenever UxYAP4L1JO0-00677-00181026-00181276 she attempted to write in English UxYAP4L1JO0-00678-00181277-00181571 the critics didn't spare her because of UxYAP4L1JO0-00679-00181572-00181775 her language UxYAP4L1JO0-00680-00181776-00182021 and that's where the first poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00681-00182022-00182171 prescribed poem prescribed for your UxYAP4L1JO0-00682-00182172-00182363 study comes from UxYAP4L1JO0-00683-00182364-00182788 the poem is titled an introduction UxYAP4L1JO0-00684-00182789-00182969 more often than not UxYAP4L1JO0-00685-00182970-00183209 you'll find that title in the beginning UxYAP4L1JO0-00686-00183210-00183485 of a work as a preface UxYAP4L1JO0-00687-00183486-00183701 but here an introduction is basically UxYAP4L1JO0-00688-00183702-00183971 the title of the poem for the ease of UxYAP4L1JO0-00689-00183972-00184193 reading I'm sharing it to you UxYAP4L1JO0-00690-00184194-00184475 chat box I'm sharing a link UxYAP4L1JO0-00691-00184476-00184726 I'll share my screen and I would request UxYAP4L1JO0-00692-00184727-00185057 you to attempt a read or two or three UxYAP4L1JO0-00693-00185058-00185273 foreign don't worry I'm not going to ask UxYAP4L1JO0-00694-00185274-00185452 you to read all the 60 lines at a UxYAP4L1JO0-00695-00185453-00185783 stretch maybe we can divide it into 15 UxYAP4L1JO0-00696-00185784-00185981 lines each and maybe four people can UxYAP4L1JO0-00697-00185982-00186088 read it UxYAP4L1JO0-00698-00186089-00186257 that'll be that'll be better because you UxYAP4L1JO0-00699-00186258-00186533 get an opportunity to recite a poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00700-00186534-00186749 which being a distant learner you may UxYAP4L1JO0-00701-00186750-00186983 otherwise not get an opportunity to I UxYAP4L1JO0-00702-00186984-00187199 hope my stream is visible just in case UxYAP4L1JO0-00703-00187200-00187445 my screen is not visible you could uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00704-00187446-00187643 refer the link that I have shared to you UxYAP4L1JO0-00705-00187644-00188069 and I request you to take turns and read UxYAP4L1JO0-00706-00188070-00188321 the poem aloud and mute yourself and UxYAP4L1JO0-00707-00188322-00188638 recite the poem for us we'll slowly try UxYAP4L1JO0-00708-00188639-00188909 to get into that poem but just recite UxYAP4L1JO0-00709-00188910-00189238 that poem for all of us UxYAP4L1JO0-00710-00189239-00189869 who will begin UxYAP4L1JO0-00711-00189870-00190138 oh come on I I really wish all of you UxYAP4L1JO0-00712-00190139-00190319 are there I could see almost 25 people UxYAP4L1JO0-00713-00190320-00190493 out here UxYAP4L1JO0-00714-00190494-00190799 okay Arya great please get started with UxYAP4L1JO0-00715-00190800-00190978 and dilip sir I request you to please UxYAP4L1JO0-00716-00190979-00191249 put your hands down because I I often UxYAP4L1JO0-00717-00191250-00191440 get misled that you want to do something UxYAP4L1JO0-00718-00191441-00191633 okay great thank you if you want to UxYAP4L1JO0-00719-00191634-00191752 speak up please put your answer that's UxYAP4L1JO0-00720-00191753-00191963 fine okay Ariel UxYAP4L1JO0-00721-00191964-00192197 please get this started for us UxYAP4L1JO0-00722-00192198-00192473 yes sir so how many lines shall I read UxYAP4L1JO0-00723-00192474-00192790 15 lines so that we can divide it UxYAP4L1JO0-00724-00192791-00194213 between four people UxYAP4L1JO0-00725-00194214-00194347 right UxYAP4L1JO0-00726-00194348-00194675 I don't know politics but I know the UxYAP4L1JO0-00727-00194676-00194987 names of those in power and can repeat UxYAP4L1JO0-00728-00194988-00195328 them like days of week or names of UxYAP4L1JO0-00729-00195329-00195616 months beginning with nehru UxYAP4L1JO0-00730-00195617-00196061 I am Indian very Brown born in Malabar I UxYAP4L1JO0-00731-00196062-00196378 speak three languages right into dream UxYAP4L1JO0-00732-00196379-00196678 in one don't write in English they said UxYAP4L1JO0-00733-00196679-00196973 English is not your mother tongue UxYAP4L1JO0-00734-00196974-00197352 why not leave me alone critics friends UxYAP4L1JO0-00735-00197353-00197759 visiting cousins every one of you UxYAP4L1JO0-00736-00197760-00198088 why not let me speak in any language I UxYAP4L1JO0-00737-00198089-00198190 like UxYAP4L1JO0-00738-00198191-00198581 the language I speak becomes mine it's UxYAP4L1JO0-00739-00198582-00198919 distortions it's queeriness UxYAP4L1JO0-00740-00198920-00199249 all mine mine alone UxYAP4L1JO0-00741-00199250-00199481 thank you thank you that will do thank UxYAP4L1JO0-00742-00199482-00199625 you thank you that'll do it because UxYAP4L1JO0-00743-00199626-00199973 there is a full stop there thank you UxYAP4L1JO0-00744-00199974-00200164 thank you so much anyone else would like UxYAP4L1JO0-00745-00200165-00200435 to take it from there UxYAP4L1JO0-00746-00200436-00200602 we come back to these lines a little UxYAP4L1JO0-00747-00200603-00200826 while later UxYAP4L1JO0-00748-00200827-00201209 yep I could see two hands up so maybe UxYAP4L1JO0-00749-00201210-00201425 we'll take turns let's get started with UxYAP4L1JO0-00750-00201426-00201664 sangeetaji and Ruby G you can do it UxYAP4L1JO0-00751-00201665-00202121 after this okay so sanctitasi go on UxYAP4L1JO0-00752-00202122-00203238 foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-00753-00203239-00203578 mine alone it is half English half UxYAP4L1JO0-00754-00203579-00203987 Indian funny perhaps but it is honest it UxYAP4L1JO0-00755-00203988-00204304 is as human as I am human don't you see UxYAP4L1JO0-00756-00204305-00204671 it voices my Joys my longings my hopes UxYAP4L1JO0-00757-00204672-00205132 and it is useful to me at us carving is UxYAP4L1JO0-00758-00205133-00205451 to Cross or roaring to the Lions it is UxYAP4L1JO0-00759-00205452-00205757 human speech the speech of the mind that UxYAP4L1JO0-00760-00205758-00206098 is here and not there a mind that sees UxYAP4L1JO0-00761-00206100-00206392 and hears and is aware not the deaf UxYAP4L1JO0-00762-00206394-00206705 blind speech of trees and storm or of UxYAP4L1JO0-00763-00206706-00207005 monsoon clouds or of rain UxYAP4L1JO0-00764-00207006-00207275 or the incoherent matterings of the UxYAP4L1JO0-00765-00207276-00207466 Blazing funeral fire UxYAP4L1JO0-00766-00207467-00207736 I was child and later they told me I UxYAP4L1JO0-00767-00207737-00208060 grew for I became tall my limbs dwelled UxYAP4L1JO0-00768-00208061-00208396 and one or two places sprouted hair UxYAP4L1JO0-00769-00208398-00208631 when I ask for love thank you thank you UxYAP4L1JO0-00770-00208632-00208896 thank you sir UxYAP4L1JO0-00771-00208898-00209375 next person please UxYAP4L1JO0-00772-00209376-00209651 Miss Dotson UxYAP4L1JO0-00773-00209652-00210323 yes please UxYAP4L1JO0-00774-00210323-00210442 huh UxYAP4L1JO0-00775-00210444-00210719 when I asked for love not knowing what UxYAP4L1JO0-00776-00210719-00211108 else to ask for he drew a youth youth of UxYAP4L1JO0-00777-00211109-00211384 16 into the bedroom and closed the door UxYAP4L1JO0-00778-00211385-00211734 he did not beat me but my sad woman body UxYAP4L1JO0-00779-00211735-00212098 felt so beaten the weight of my breasts UxYAP4L1JO0-00780-00212100-00212437 and womb crushed me I shrank beautifully UxYAP4L1JO0-00781-00212438-00212734 then I wore a shirt and my brother's UxYAP4L1JO0-00782-00212735-00213089 trousers cut my hair short and ignored UxYAP4L1JO0-00783-00213090-00213556 my womanliness dress in sarees be girl UxYAP4L1JO0-00784-00213557-00214025 be wife they said be embroiderer be cook UxYAP4L1JO0-00785-00214026-00214475 be a corner with servants fit in oh UxYAP4L1JO0-00786-00214476-00214644 belong UxYAP4L1JO0-00787-00214646-00215003 categorize us don't sit on walls or UxYAP4L1JO0-00788-00215004-00215267 peeping through our lace draped Windows UxYAP4L1JO0-00789-00215267-00215773 be army or be Kamala or better still be UxYAP4L1JO0-00790-00215773-00216396 madhavi kutti UxYAP4L1JO0-00791-00216398-00217369 she was called as Army UxYAP4L1JO0-00792-00217369-00217660 would you like to take it from there UxYAP4L1JO0-00793-00217661-00217810 yes sir UxYAP4L1JO0-00794-00217811-00218008 please UxYAP4L1JO0-00795-00218009-00218209 it is UxYAP4L1JO0-00796-00218210-00218381 [Music] UxYAP4L1JO0-00797-00218382-00218705 so please uh yeah it is time to choose a UxYAP4L1JO0-00798-00218706-00218915 name a role UxYAP4L1JO0-00799-00218916-00219167 trending games don't play at UxYAP4L1JO0-00800-00219167-00219751 schizophrenia or be a nympho UxYAP4L1JO0-00801-00219752-00219917 in love UxYAP4L1JO0-00802-00219917-00220456 I met a man loved him called him not UxYAP4L1JO0-00803-00220457-00220882 not every man who wants a woman UxYAP4L1JO0-00804-00220883-00221260 and every woman who seeks love in him UxYAP4L1JO0-00805-00221261-00221723 the hungry Taste of reverse in me UxYAP4L1JO0-00806-00221723-00222119 waiting who are you I ask each and UxYAP4L1JO0-00807-00222119-00222234 everyone UxYAP4L1JO0-00808-00222235-00222455 it is I UxYAP4L1JO0-00809-00222456-00222773 anywhere and everywhere I see the one UxYAP4L1JO0-00810-00222773-00222881 who UxYAP4L1JO0-00811-00222882-00223223 SE eye in this world he is tightly UxYAP4L1JO0-00812-00223223-00223589 packed like the sword initial UxYAP4L1JO0-00813-00223590-00223937 it is thank you thank you who's gonna UxYAP4L1JO0-00814-00223938-00224196 read the last part UxYAP4L1JO0-00815-00224198-00224542 Mesa yes please go on UxYAP4L1JO0-00816-00224544-00224701 it is UxYAP4L1JO0-00817-00224702-00225131 thank you sir it is I Who Drink lonely UxYAP4L1JO0-00818-00225132-00225546 drinks at 12 midnight in hotels of UxYAP4L1JO0-00819-00225548-00226019 strange towns it is I who love it is I UxYAP4L1JO0-00820-00226019-00226342 who take the who make love and then feel UxYAP4L1JO0-00821-00226344-00226769 shame it is I who die who lie dying with UxYAP4L1JO0-00822-00226769-00227194 a rattle in my throat I am sinner I am UxYAP4L1JO0-00823-00227196-00227621 sent I am the Beloved and the Betrayed I UxYAP4L1JO0-00824-00227621-00228082 have no Joys which are not yours no that UxYAP4L1JO0-00825-00228083-00228467 is which are not yours I too call myself UxYAP4L1JO0-00826-00228467-00228737 I UxYAP4L1JO0-00827-00228738-00229006 great thank you so much all of you for UxYAP4L1JO0-00828-00229007-00229187 your cooperation that was really UxYAP4L1JO0-00829-00229188-00229489 wonderful a good start to say the least UxYAP4L1JO0-00830-00229490-00229889 and uh there is a specific reason why I UxYAP4L1JO0-00831-00229890-00230201 made you read these 60 lines there are UxYAP4L1JO0-00832-00230202-00230434 actually more than one reason uh as you UxYAP4L1JO0-00833-00230435-00230675 all know you have annotations and you UxYAP4L1JO0-00834-00230676-00230842 have if you have to remember the lines UxYAP4L1JO0-00835-00230844-00231077 you have to try practicing reciting them UxYAP4L1JO0-00836-00231078-00231281 so that's one of the primary reasons why UxYAP4L1JO0-00837-00231282-00231629 I wanted you to uh read this on the UxYAP4L1JO0-00838-00231630-00231953 first place but apart from that I also UxYAP4L1JO0-00839-00231954-00232213 wanted to see how you're gonna attempt UxYAP4L1JO0-00840-00232214-00232546 these 60 lines even though you read them UxYAP4L1JO0-00841-00232548-00232805 in Parts I wanted to see how you would UxYAP4L1JO0-00842-00232806-00233087 read these 60 lines today before getting UxYAP4L1JO0-00843-00233088-00233339 started with this poem I spoke to you UxYAP4L1JO0-00844-00233340-00233471 about the reference in Midnight UxYAP4L1JO0-00845-00233471-00233639 children's blog too UxYAP4L1JO0-00846-00233640-00233987 when I told you that uh up until the UxYAP4L1JO0-00847-00233988-00234263 three writers the three novelists uh UxYAP4L1JO0-00848-00234264-00234439 Indian English was seen as something UxYAP4L1JO0-00849-00234440-00234689 inferior and English was seen to be UxYAP4L1JO0-00850-00234690-00234923 something elitist and these three UxYAP4L1JO0-00851-00234923-00235132 writers broke down the shackles and UxYAP4L1JO0-00852-00235133-00235342 brought in an Indian musicality to their UxYAP4L1JO0-00853-00235344-00235453 writings UxYAP4L1JO0-00854-00235454-00235673 again I can give you two cross UxYAP4L1JO0-00855-00235673-00236008 references if you if you uh has opted UxYAP4L1JO0-00856-00236009-00236255 for me G14 which I believe belongs to UxYAP4L1JO0-00857-00236256-00236446 this cluster you would come across this UxYAP4L1JO0-00858-00236448-00236698 poem by Nissim Ezekiel called The UxYAP4L1JO0-00859-00236700-00236831 Patriot UxYAP4L1JO0-00860-00236832-00236975 most of you would have studied another UxYAP4L1JO0-00861-00236976-00237221 poem by Ezekiel titled goodbye party UxYAP4L1JO0-00862-00237221-00237431 from Miss push party yes UxYAP4L1JO0-00863-00237432-00237658 so if you if you remember learning these UxYAP4L1JO0-00864-00237659-00237869 poems or even when you read these poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00865-00237869-00238163 you realize that they are all indianisms UxYAP4L1JO0-00866-00238164-00238489 an indianized way of speaking is being UxYAP4L1JO0-00867-00238490-00238846 employed in writing these poems UxYAP4L1JO0-00868-00238848-00239134 see the moment you read a poem by UxYAP4L1JO0-00869-00239135-00239369 kamaladas where she speaks about her UxYAP4L1JO0-00870-00239369-00239579 dilemma as a poet which later shifts UxYAP4L1JO0-00871-00239580-00239765 into a lot of personal queries and UxYAP4L1JO0-00872-00239766-00240017 gender equations I agree but at least in UxYAP4L1JO0-00873-00240017-00240184 the beginning part I know you didn't do UxYAP4L1JO0-00874-00240185-00240317 that probably because either your UxYAP4L1JO0-00875-00240317-00240539 language is good or you understand that UxYAP4L1JO0-00876-00240540-00240773 kamla does spoke really well but maybe UxYAP4L1JO0-00877-00240773-00241055 think from a normal Indian perspective UxYAP4L1JO0-00878-00241056-00241337 and try reciting this poem there are two UxYAP4L1JO0-00879-00241338-00241553 ways in which you could recite this poem UxYAP4L1JO0-00880-00241554-00241751 I'm not saying that one is right and the UxYAP4L1JO0-00881-00241752-00241871 other is wrong UxYAP4L1JO0-00882-00241871-00242105 but one is Anglican the second one is UxYAP4L1JO0-00883-00242106-00242296 Indian and when you read Indian English UxYAP4L1JO0-00884-00242298-00242434 literature you should be aware of that UxYAP4L1JO0-00885-00242435-00242675 indigenous variety as well you could UxYAP4L1JO0-00886-00242676-00242975 just go on and read this form like this UxYAP4L1JO0-00887-00242976-00243184 I don't know politics but I know the UxYAP4L1JO0-00888-00243185-00243508 names of those and can repeat them like UxYAP4L1JO0-00889-00243509-00243748 days a week or names of months beginning UxYAP4L1JO0-00890-00243750-00244055 with neru I've named it very Brown born UxYAP4L1JO0-00891-00244056-00244313 in malaba I speak three languages right UxYAP4L1JO0-00892-00244314-00244684 into dream in one you could do that UxYAP4L1JO0-00893-00244685-00244967 but just imagine reading this just give UxYAP4L1JO0-00894-00244967-00245242 that to voice just give it the tone and UxYAP4L1JO0-00895-00245244-00245548 try to own them like you do in terms of UxYAP4L1JO0-00896-00245550-00245758 a of a dialogue in a play UxYAP4L1JO0-00897-00245759-00246065 just try reading that poem up until here UxYAP4L1JO0-00898-00246066-00246358 giving it the voice of an Indian and UxYAP4L1JO0-00899-00246359-00246679 then these words would make sense to you UxYAP4L1JO0-00900-00246680-00247006 I don't know politics but I know the UxYAP4L1JO0-00901-00247007-00247325 names of those in power power yeah of UxYAP4L1JO0-00902-00247326-00247553 those in power and can repeat them like UxYAP4L1JO0-00903-00247554-00247798 days of week or names of months UxYAP4L1JO0-00904-00247800-00248039 beginning with the nehru UxYAP4L1JO0-00905-00248040-00248219 okay we come to the gender politics UxYAP4L1JO0-00906-00248219-00248392 later that's a more significant thing UxYAP4L1JO0-00907-00248394-00248608 but we'll come back to that later I am UxYAP4L1JO0-00908-00248609-00248896 Indian very Brown born in Malabar we UxYAP4L1JO0-00909-00248898-00249077 speak to this hyphenated English right UxYAP4L1JO0-00910-00249078-00249401 so I am an Indian very Brown born in UxYAP4L1JO0-00911-00249402-00249532 Malabar UxYAP4L1JO0-00912-00249533-00249894 I speak three languages UxYAP4L1JO0-00913-00249896-00250271 from Malayalam I speak three languages UxYAP4L1JO0-00914-00250271-00250763 writing to writing to a dream in Oneness UxYAP4L1JO0-00915-00250764-00251141 don't write in English they said English UxYAP4L1JO0-00916-00251142-00251387 is not your mother UxYAP4L1JO0-00917-00251388-00251706 why not leave me alone critics friends UxYAP4L1JO0-00918-00251707-00252041 visiting cousins every one of you UxYAP4L1JO0-00919-00252042-00252269 why not let me speak in any language I UxYAP4L1JO0-00920-00252269-00252406 like her UxYAP4L1JO0-00921-00252407-00252755 the language I speak becomes my its UxYAP4L1JO0-00922-00252756-00253073 distortions it's clearness all mine mine UxYAP4L1JO0-00923-00253073-00253198 alone UxYAP4L1JO0-00924-00253200-00253619 right the Curious means strangeness if I UxYAP4L1JO0-00925-00253619-00253834 speak the way I speak right now that's UxYAP4L1JO0-00926-00253835-00254003 my English that's the way I speak UxYAP4L1JO0-00927-00254004-00254267 English what's your problem with it you UxYAP4L1JO0-00928-00254267-00254494 speak a standard English who's stopping UxYAP4L1JO0-00929-00254496-00254677 you from that UxYAP4L1JO0-00930-00254678-00254929 right I speak UxYAP4L1JO0-00931-00254930-00255377 or D or I I say language what's the UxYAP4L1JO0-00932-00255378-00255539 problem with you UxYAP4L1JO0-00933-00255540-00255946 it is half English half Indian funny UxYAP4L1JO0-00934-00255948-00256210 perhaps right if you speak British UxYAP4L1JO0-00935-00256211-00256367 language it's funny UxYAP4L1JO0-00936-00256367-00256639 but when I say edit I'd say funny UxYAP4L1JO0-00937-00256640-00256925 Perhaps Perhaps UxYAP4L1JO0-00938-00256926-00257592 but it is foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-00939-00257594-00257855 don't you see UxYAP4L1JO0-00940-00257856-00258275 it voices my Joys my longings my hopes UxYAP4L1JO0-00941-00258276-00258587 and it is useful to me as calming this UxYAP4L1JO0-00942-00258588-00258905 to crows or roaring to the lines UxYAP4L1JO0-00943-00258906-00259163 it is human speech the speech of the UxYAP4L1JO0-00944-00259164-00259444 mind that is here and not there a mind UxYAP4L1JO0-00945-00259446-00259769 that sees and hears and is aware UxYAP4L1JO0-00946-00259769-00260075 not the deaf blind speech of trees in UxYAP4L1JO0-00947-00260076-00260398 storm out of monsoon clouds or of rain UxYAP4L1JO0-00948-00260400-00260639 or the incoherent mutterings of the UxYAP4L1JO0-00949-00260640-00260975 Blazing funeral fire UxYAP4L1JO0-00950-00260976-00261448 so see how she employs language UxYAP4L1JO0-00951-00261450-00261755 the first three lines actually has some UxYAP4L1JO0-00952-00261756-00261887 other politics will come to that a UxYAP4L1JO0-00953-00261888-00262073 little while later but look from the UxYAP4L1JO0-00954-00262073-00262330 fourth line onwards UxYAP4L1JO0-00955-00262331-00262625 how are we defined UxYAP4L1JO0-00956-00262626-00262913 we are defined based on our language the UxYAP4L1JO0-00957-00262914-00263230 way we look our appearances our color UxYAP4L1JO0-00958-00263231-00263501 and so on and so forth so see how she UxYAP4L1JO0-00959-00263502-00263758 brings in those stereotypes UxYAP4L1JO0-00960-00263759-00263956 I am an Indian UxYAP4L1JO0-00961-00263957-00264179 very Brown UxYAP4L1JO0-00962-00264180-00264473 see black versus brown and she chooses UxYAP4L1JO0-00963-00264474-00264784 Brown okay so I am an Indian very Brown UxYAP4L1JO0-00964-00264785-00265175 deep Brown I'm from Malabar Malabar is UxYAP4L1JO0-00965-00265176-00265421 in the southern coast of India so at the UxYAP4L1JO0-00966-00265422-00265613 end of India I am in Malabar I'm from UxYAP4L1JO0-00967-00265614-00265751 Malabar UxYAP4L1JO0-00968-00265752-00266165 yeah I speak three languages UxYAP4L1JO0-00969-00266166-00266380 right into UxYAP4L1JO0-00970-00266381-00266723 and dream in one I speak three languages UxYAP4L1JO0-00971-00266724-00266980 I speak four to five languages I know UxYAP4L1JO0-00972-00266981-00267299 Malayalam Hindi English Tamil UxYAP4L1JO0-00973-00267300-00267634 so kamlada says you know three languages UxYAP4L1JO0-00974-00267635-00267977 of which she knows to write into UxYAP4L1JO0-00975-00267978-00268319 right so I speak three languages right UxYAP4L1JO0-00976-00268320-00268769 into and dream in one see how she UxYAP4L1JO0-00977-00268770-00269045 brings in that mother tongue quotient UxYAP4L1JO0-00978-00269046-00269465 into a glorified portion I dream in one UxYAP4L1JO0-00979-00269466-00269680 how else can we dream if not in our UxYAP4L1JO0-00980-00269681-00269784 mother UxYAP4L1JO0-00981-00269785-00270119 often for annotation these two lines are UxYAP4L1JO0-00982-00270120-00270377 asked I speak three languages writing UxYAP4L1JO0-00983-00270378-00270647 two dreaming one a postcolonial UxYAP4L1JO0-00984-00270648-00270875 conundrum cannot be explained in a UxYAP4L1JO0-00985-00270876-00271055 better uh cannot be put in a better UxYAP4L1JO0-00986-00271056-00271289 versification UxYAP4L1JO0-00987-00271290-00271523 I speak three languages writing two and UxYAP4L1JO0-00988-00271524-00271823 dreaming one why are you bothered about UxYAP4L1JO0-00989-00271824-00272165 the English that I come up with UxYAP4L1JO0-00990-00272166-00272375 so a point to be noted there so she UxYAP4L1JO0-00991-00272376-00272687 speaks about her writings so don't write UxYAP4L1JO0-00992-00272688-00272956 in English they said UxYAP4L1JO0-00993-00272957-00273329 English is not your mother UxYAP4L1JO0-00994-00273330-00273599 don't write in English they said who are UxYAP4L1JO0-00995-00273600-00273749 this they UxYAP4L1JO0-00996-00273750-00273905 again we'll come to that a little while UxYAP4L1JO0-00997-00273906-00274115 later so don't write in English they are UxYAP4L1JO0-00998-00274116-00274301 not I mean this day is not defined UxYAP4L1JO0-00999-00274302-00274534 anywhere in the poem we can only make UxYAP4L1JO0-01000-00274535-00274877 mute speculations but then UxYAP4L1JO0-01001-00274878-00275075 in a larger context that could still be UxYAP4L1JO0-01002-00275076-00275267 valid so we'll come to that a little UxYAP4L1JO0-01003-00275268-00275495 while later UxYAP4L1JO0-01004-00275496-00275608 sorry UxYAP4L1JO0-01005-00275609-00275873 don't write in English they said English UxYAP4L1JO0-01006-00275874-00276149 is not your mother UxYAP4L1JO0-01007-00276150-00276353 so in order to say UxYAP4L1JO0-01008-00276354-00277091 foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-01009-00277092-00277330 they asked did they pointed out a valid UxYAP4L1JO0-01010-00277331-00277619 reason that your mother tongue is not UxYAP4L1JO0-01011-00277620-00277865 English I've already given you that UxYAP4L1JO0-01012-00277866-00278080 background she was born to a well-known UxYAP4L1JO0-01013-00278081-00278375 Malayalam malayali family UxYAP4L1JO0-01014-00278376-00278556 both her UxYAP4L1JO0-01015-00278557-00278891 grandparents and parents were writers so UxYAP4L1JO0-01016-00278892-00279137 as someone who belongs to a family of UxYAP4L1JO0-01017-00279138-00279319 writers UxYAP4L1JO0-01018-00279320-00279684 notably is a well-known Malayalam poetis UxYAP4L1JO0-01019-00279685-00279995 so from a family where people write in UxYAP4L1JO0-01020-00279996-00280247 Malayalam why do you want to write in UxYAP4L1JO0-01021-00280248-00280421 English there's a question that people UxYAP4L1JO0-01022-00280422-00280721 through at kamaladas UxYAP4L1JO0-01023-00280722-00280906 don't write in English they said English UxYAP4L1JO0-01024-00280907-00281165 is not your mother tongue why not leave UxYAP4L1JO0-01025-00281166-00281351 me alone UxYAP4L1JO0-01026-00281352-00281717 so she asked them why not leave me alone UxYAP4L1JO0-01027-00281718-00281993 so who are this day there are some there UxYAP4L1JO0-01028-00281994-00282155 is quite a lot of broader explanations UxYAP4L1JO0-01029-00282156-00282467 but maybe connecting these three lines UxYAP4L1JO0-01030-00282468-00282832 critics friends visiting cousins and UxYAP4L1JO0-01031-00282833-00283049 everyone in the world UxYAP4L1JO0-01032-00283050-00283241 leave me alone let me write in whatever UxYAP4L1JO0-01033-00283242-00283463 language that I'm comfortable with I UxYAP4L1JO0-01034-00283464-00283601 write it too that is I write in UxYAP4L1JO0-01035-00283602-00283847 Malayalam I write in English but if I'm UxYAP4L1JO0-01036-00283848-00283984 comfortable let me write it English UxYAP4L1JO0-01037-00283985-00284260 what's your problem with that why not UxYAP4L1JO0-01038-00284261-00284747 let me speak in any language I like UxYAP4L1JO0-01039-00284748-00285280 the language I speak becomes mine UxYAP4L1JO0-01040-00285281-00285497 whichever language I speak UxYAP4L1JO0-01041-00285498-00285832 this mind it has my own attributes it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01042-00285833-00286175 like my baby UxYAP4L1JO0-01043-00286176-00286480 it may have its distortions it may have UxYAP4L1JO0-01044-00286481-00286787 its pureness but they are all mine mine UxYAP4L1JO0-01045-00286788-00286939 alone UxYAP4L1JO0-01046-00286940-00287255 you make ridicule that by saying it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01047-00287256-00287393 half English UxYAP4L1JO0-01048-00287394-00287560 half Indian UxYAP4L1JO0-01049-00287561-00287855 you may find it to be funny UxYAP4L1JO0-01050-00287856-00288167 but it is honest UxYAP4L1JO0-01051-00288168-00288521 it is as human as I am human UxYAP4L1JO0-01052-00288522-00288910 don't you see is what she asks UxYAP4L1JO0-01053-00288911-00289132 needless to say every language is about UxYAP4L1JO0-01054-00289133-00289337 expressing ourselves UxYAP4L1JO0-01055-00289338-00289643 so however broken or fragmented or funny UxYAP4L1JO0-01056-00289644-00290056 you may find an Indian language in UxYAP4L1JO0-01057-00290057-00290158 English UxYAP4L1JO0-01058-00290159-00290447 she says that it is an embodiment of me UxYAP4L1JO0-01059-00290448-00290843 my emotions my feelings my expressions UxYAP4L1JO0-01060-00290844-00291160 why are you not able to see that and if UxYAP4L1JO0-01061-00291161-00291425 I am getting some sort of a satisfaction UxYAP4L1JO0-01062-00291426-00291721 by expressing myself UxYAP4L1JO0-01063-00291722-00291971 why should it irk you UxYAP4L1JO0-01064-00291972-00292247 for something that kamaladas wants to UxYAP4L1JO0-01065-00292248-00292469 know UxYAP4L1JO0-01066-00292470-00292679 so she says UxYAP4L1JO0-01067-00292680-00293015 the language I speak becomes mine UxYAP4L1JO0-01068-00293016-00293267 with all its flaws its distortions it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01069-00293268-00293603 queerness it's mine alone UxYAP4L1JO0-01070-00293604-00293795 you may call it as half English half UxYAP4L1JO0-01071-00293796-00294010 Indian funny UxYAP4L1JO0-01072-00294011-00294479 but the intention is honest UxYAP4L1JO0-01073-00294480-00294832 why because it voices my Joys my UxYAP4L1JO0-01074-00294833-00295097 longings my hopes UxYAP4L1JO0-01075-00295098-00295439 and it is useful to me as carving as to UxYAP4L1JO0-01076-00295440-00295697 crows or roaring to the lines UxYAP4L1JO0-01077-00295698-00295937 it is human speech UxYAP4L1JO0-01078-00295938-00296206 the speech of the mind that is here and UxYAP4L1JO0-01079-00296207-00296506 not there a mind that sees and hears and UxYAP4L1JO0-01080-00296507-00296855 is aware UxYAP4L1JO0-01081-00296856-00297173 again a possible annotation UxYAP4L1JO0-01082-00297174-00297575 so what does my versification do to me UxYAP4L1JO0-01083-00297576-00297887 when I write poems in English UxYAP4L1JO0-01084-00297888-00298313 it has a means of expressing my joys UxYAP4L1JO0-01085-00298314-00298523 like someone said her poems are full of UxYAP4L1JO0-01086-00298524-00298756 Happiness not entirely but then there UxYAP4L1JO0-01087-00298757-00298877 are some poems which are full of UxYAP4L1JO0-01088-00298878-00299182 Happiness celebration so it voices my UxYAP4L1JO0-01089-00299183-00299339 joys UxYAP4L1JO0-01090-00299340-00299753 it voices my hopes even when I am at the UxYAP4L1JO0-01091-00299754-00299975 dark end of a tunnel UxYAP4L1JO0-01092-00299976-00300310 my poems give me hope to proceed further UxYAP4L1JO0-01093-00300311-00300821 to combat these issues it UxYAP4L1JO0-01094-00300822-00301043 is useful to me UxYAP4L1JO0-01095-00301044-00301330 as calling us to crows or roaring is to UxYAP4L1JO0-01096-00301331-00301421 lions UxYAP4L1JO0-01097-00301422-00301703 or let's say as breathing as to all UxYAP4L1JO0-01098-00301704-00301973 living beings UxYAP4L1JO0-01099-00301974-00302237 like a duckling to water UxYAP4L1JO0-01100-00302238-00302417 I try UxYAP4L1JO0-01101-00302418-00302617 that's totally okay UxYAP4L1JO0-01102-00302618-00302956 so as roaring is two lines or as going UxYAP4L1JO0-01103-00302957-00303430 as to crows it's part of my living it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01104-00303431-00303623 like human speech UxYAP4L1JO0-01105-00303624-00303910 the speech of the mind that is here and UxYAP4L1JO0-01106-00303911-00304319 not there a mind that sees and hears and UxYAP4L1JO0-01107-00304320-00304505 is aware UxYAP4L1JO0-01108-00304506-00304739 now again look at the construction the UxYAP4L1JO0-01109-00304740-00305069 kamladas seeks UxYAP4L1JO0-01110-00305070-00305471 for me my writing is like human speech UxYAP4L1JO0-01111-00305472-00305819 it's like roaring to lions UxYAP4L1JO0-01112-00305820-00306029 the speech of the Mind UxYAP4L1JO0-01113-00306030-00306310 right the mind conceptualizes and that UxYAP4L1JO0-01114-00306311-00306634 conceptualized abstract thing is put UxYAP4L1JO0-01115-00306635-00306995 into words thereby concretizing it so UxYAP4L1JO0-01116-00306996-00307241 the abstract ideas are put into words UxYAP4L1JO0-01117-00307242-00307679 and they form my poems which so the UxYAP4L1JO0-01118-00307680-00307973 speech of the mind that is here and not UxYAP4L1JO0-01119-00307974-00308297 there right let us hear that is here in UxYAP4L1JO0-01120-00308298-00308543 the paper that has been written down UxYAP4L1JO0-01121-00308544-00308795 it's not lost that's not lost in my mind UxYAP4L1JO0-01122-00308796-00309004 let's put into ideas let's put into UxYAP4L1JO0-01123-00309005-00309371 words that is not abstract not weak but UxYAP4L1JO0-01124-00309372-00309610 very concrete UxYAP4L1JO0-01125-00309611-00310037 so that's here and not there a mind that UxYAP4L1JO0-01126-00310038-00310415 sees and hears and is aware UxYAP4L1JO0-01127-00310416-00310660 that last word is very important UxYAP4L1JO0-01128-00310661-00311039 the mind that sees and hears UxYAP4L1JO0-01129-00311040-00311260 right what actually sees and hears it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01130-00311261-00311434 not physical it's the body it is the UxYAP4L1JO0-01131-00311435-00311704 organs it's the eyes that sees and it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01132-00311705-00311884 the ears that hears UxYAP4L1JO0-01133-00311885-00312304 but for Madhuri it is the mind that sees UxYAP4L1JO0-01134-00312305-00312569 and hears and is aware of what goes UxYAP4L1JO0-01135-00312570-00312779 around me UxYAP4L1JO0-01136-00312780-00313103 yes the mind that can perceptualize UxYAP4L1JO0-01137-00313104-00313354 whatever is going around is aware of UxYAP4L1JO0-01138-00313355-00313601 what's going around knows the good and UxYAP4L1JO0-01139-00313602-00313829 bad knows how to respond knows the need UxYAP4L1JO0-01140-00313830-00314123 to keep kicking UxYAP4L1JO0-01141-00314124-00314387 not the deafblind speech of trees and UxYAP4L1JO0-01142-00314388-00314621 storm or Monsoon clouds or the rain of UxYAP4L1JO0-01143-00314622-00314777 the incorrect mutterings of the Blazing UxYAP4L1JO0-01144-00314778-00314908 funeral fire UxYAP4L1JO0-01145-00314909-00315125 I was child UxYAP4L1JO0-01146-00315126-00315551 and later they told me I grew okay so UxYAP4L1JO0-01147-00315552-00315767 before we proceed any further let me go UxYAP4L1JO0-01148-00315768-00315977 back to the first few lines UxYAP4L1JO0-01149-00315978-00316271 so now the poem takes a gender turn UxYAP4L1JO0-01150-00316272-00316643 from a personal literary Quest the poem UxYAP4L1JO0-01151-00316644-00316799 takes a gender turn which was there in UxYAP4L1JO0-01152-00316800-00317051 the beginning she says UxYAP4L1JO0-01153-00317052-00317243 I don't know politics UxYAP4L1JO0-01154-00317244-00317441 but I know the names of those in power UxYAP4L1JO0-01155-00317442-00317717 and can repeat them like the Ace of weak UxYAP4L1JO0-01156-00317718-00318130 or names of months beginning with meru UxYAP4L1JO0-01157-00318131-00318323 here it's not about a glorification of UxYAP4L1JO0-01158-00318324-00318593 Indian National Congress or anything UxYAP4L1JO0-01159-00318594-00318793 but rather UxYAP4L1JO0-01160-00318794-00319193 nehru as a representational name as an UxYAP4L1JO0-01161-00319194-00319477 embodiment of power and privilege UxYAP4L1JO0-01162-00319478-00319703 invested in men UxYAP4L1JO0-01163-00319704-00319906 it could be anybody else it could be EMS UxYAP4L1JO0-01164-00319907-00320123 it could be penrith it could be anybody UxYAP4L1JO0-01165-00320124-00320423 for that sake so she says I am not fond UxYAP4L1JO0-01166-00320424-00320710 of politics I am someone who doesn't UxYAP4L1JO0-01167-00320711-00320932 want to get involved in politics I know UxYAP4L1JO0-01168-00320933-00321199 nothing about politics energy politics UxYAP4L1JO0-01169-00321200-00321384 but then UxYAP4L1JO0-01170-00321385-00321827 I know a few names like nehru UxYAP4L1JO0-01171-00321828-00322091 so she's while she says she doesn't know UxYAP4L1JO0-01172-00322092-00322277 anything about politics or does not want UxYAP4L1JO0-01173-00322278-00322547 to get involved in politics she tries to UxYAP4L1JO0-01174-00322548-00322734 bring into UxYAP4L1JO0-01175-00322735-00322895 context UxYAP4L1JO0-01176-00322896-00323153 the statement called personal is UxYAP4L1JO0-01177-00323154-00323254 political UxYAP4L1JO0-01178-00323255-00323621 and political is privilege privilege is UxYAP4L1JO0-01179-00323622-00323741 power UxYAP4L1JO0-01180-00323742-00324191 and that privilege power politics is in UxYAP4L1JO0-01181-00324192-00324508 the hands of men it's patriarchal and UxYAP4L1JO0-01182-00324509-00324730 women are targeted that is the vision UxYAP4L1JO0-01183-00324731-00324958 that kamaladas tries to bring forth so UxYAP4L1JO0-01184-00324959-00325139 she says I don't know politics but I UxYAP4L1JO0-01185-00325140-00325330 know the names of those in power and can UxYAP4L1JO0-01186-00325331-00325504 repeat them like days of week or names UxYAP4L1JO0-01187-00325505-00325775 of months beginning with nehru UxYAP4L1JO0-01188-00325776-00325979 then she goes on in the later point of UxYAP4L1JO0-01189-00325980-00326297 time she says UxYAP4L1JO0-01190-00326298-00326591 don't write in English they said UxYAP4L1JO0-01191-00326592-00326843 this day could very well be her critics UxYAP4L1JO0-01192-00326844-00327071 friends cousins or anybody UxYAP4L1JO0-01193-00327072-00327330 but that they could also mean UxYAP4L1JO0-01194-00327331-00327665 patriarchal men who try to look at her UxYAP4L1JO0-01195-00327666-00328001 as a woman writer and try to shame her UxYAP4L1JO0-01196-00328002-00328163 or abuse him UxYAP4L1JO0-01197-00328164-00328379 more often than not a lot of women have UxYAP4L1JO0-01198-00328380-00328649 noted the struggles of becoming writers UxYAP4L1JO0-01199-00328650-00329015 in a male dominant world so kamaladas UxYAP4L1JO0-01200-00329016-00329213 tries to bring in that UxYAP4L1JO0-01201-00329214-00329519 and as we get to this latter part we UxYAP4L1JO0-01202-00329520-00329813 could see how she was conditioned to a UxYAP4L1JO0-01203-00329814-00330293 certain extent UxYAP4L1JO0-01204-00330294-00330730 I was child and later they told me I UxYAP4L1JO0-01205-00330731-00331121 grew for I became tall my limbs swelled UxYAP4L1JO0-01206-00331122-00331475 and one or two places sprouted hair UxYAP4L1JO0-01207-00331476-00331751 when I asked for love not knowing what UxYAP4L1JO0-01208-00331752-00331913 else to ask for UxYAP4L1JO0-01209-00331914-00332177 he drew a youth of 16 into the bedroom UxYAP4L1JO0-01210-00332178-00332375 and closed the door UxYAP4L1JO0-01211-00332376-00332734 he did not beat me but my sad woman body UxYAP4L1JO0-01212-00332735-00332956 felt so beat UxYAP4L1JO0-01213-00332957-00333184 the weight of my breasts and wood UxYAP4L1JO0-01214-00333185-00333677 costume I Swang beautifully UxYAP4L1JO0-01215-00333678-00334049 in just about eight to nine lines she UxYAP4L1JO0-01216-00334050-00334327 sums up the plight of a miserable UxYAP4L1JO0-01217-00334328-00334582 adolescent girl UxYAP4L1JO0-01218-00334583-00334751 into a woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01219-00334752-00334960 this is a common story that most of us UxYAP4L1JO0-01220-00334961-00335254 are familiar for the malayalis out there UxYAP4L1JO0-01221-00335255-00335632 I can give you two movie references UxYAP4L1JO0-01222-00335633-00335827 one is that movie UxYAP4L1JO0-01223-00335828-00336113 starring basil Joseph and darshana UxYAP4L1JO0-01224-00336114-00336353 rajendra which exactly deals with the UxYAP4L1JO0-01225-00336354-00336497 same story UxYAP4L1JO0-01226-00336498-00336737 from the moment you attain puberty there UxYAP4L1JO0-01227-00336738-00336899 are a lot of do's and don'ts that comes UxYAP4L1JO0-01228-00336900-00337127 from the family you can't go out with UxYAP4L1JO0-01229-00337128-00337306 friends you can't climb the trees during UxYAP4L1JO0-01230-00337307-00337463 the periods you have to sit out maybe UxYAP4L1JO0-01231-00337464-00337691 you can't go to the temple you can't eat UxYAP4L1JO0-01232-00337692-00337829 this you can eat that you have to get UxYAP4L1JO0-01233-00337830-00338093 married so all this sort of conditioning UxYAP4L1JO0-01234-00338094-00338413 forms the Crux of that movie UxYAP4L1JO0-01235-00338414-00338608 tries to kind of bring in that UxYAP4L1JO0-01236-00338609-00338765 conditioning pattern UxYAP4L1JO0-01237-00338766-00338939 I was a child UxYAP4L1JO0-01238-00338940-00339208 but later they told me I grew so she UxYAP4L1JO0-01239-00339209-00339430 tries to say that by from my mind I UxYAP4L1JO0-01240-00339431-00339629 still have a lot of fantasies that I UxYAP4L1JO0-01241-00339630-00339839 nurtured as a child I still have that UxYAP4L1JO0-01242-00339840-00340084 kid in me but then they killed it UxYAP4L1JO0-01243-00340085-00340354 because my body grew I became tall my UxYAP4L1JO0-01244-00340355-00340582 limbs swelled UxYAP4L1JO0-01245-00340583-00340954 and one or two places proudered hair UxYAP4L1JO0-01246-00340955-00341219 when I asked for love you know that's UxYAP4L1JO0-01247-00341220-00341434 what you ask I said always UxYAP4L1JO0-01248-00341435-00341704 it's not about sex it's about love it's UxYAP4L1JO0-01249-00341705-00341891 about affection it's about care UxYAP4L1JO0-01250-00341892-00342215 so when I ask for love not knowing what UxYAP4L1JO0-01251-00342216-00342347 else to ask for UxYAP4L1JO0-01252-00342348-00342580 they draw a youth of 16 into the bedroom UxYAP4L1JO0-01253-00342581-00342808 and close the door UxYAP4L1JO0-01254-00342809-00342982 just like the age-old black and white UxYAP4L1JO0-01255-00342983-00343319 movies you know what happens when a girl UxYAP4L1JO0-01256-00343320-00343547 is taken to a bedroom and the door is UxYAP4L1JO0-01257-00343548-00343691 closed UxYAP4L1JO0-01258-00343692-00343889 again I get reminded of a Malayalam UxYAP4L1JO0-01259-00343890-00344117 movie by TV Chandra starring Mira UxYAP4L1JO0-01260-00344118-00344365 Jasmine UxYAP4L1JO0-01261-00344366-00344687 if you haven't seen that movie I would UxYAP4L1JO0-01262-00344688-00345143 recommend you to watch them UxYAP4L1JO0-01263-00345144-00345377 uru UxYAP4L1JO0-01264-00345378-00345745 we love I'm sorry I missed that Mode UxYAP4L1JO0-01265-00345746-00346199 chapter one I yelled away cry UxYAP4L1JO0-01266-00346200-00346571 out cry so uh in that movie we can see UxYAP4L1JO0-01267-00346572-00346865 that uh a teenage girl like this has UxYAP4L1JO0-01268-00346866-00347134 been drawn into marriage was drawn into UxYAP4L1JO0-01269-00347135-00347441 room and literally marital rape is what UxYAP4L1JO0-01270-00347442-00347573 takes place UxYAP4L1JO0-01271-00347574-00347843 so kamlas tries to defend us she she UxYAP4L1JO0-01272-00347844-00348125 says he did not beat UxYAP4L1JO0-01273-00348126-00348484 he was not that cruel though he was UxYAP4L1JO0-01274-00348485-00348821 forceful like he did not be but my sad UxYAP4L1JO0-01275-00348822-00349054 woman body felt so beaten UxYAP4L1JO0-01276-00349055-00349241 the weight of my breasts and womb UxYAP4L1JO0-01277-00349242-00349504 crushed I swung pitifully UxYAP4L1JO0-01278-00349505-00349751 I was forced to rather perform a UxYAP4L1JO0-01279-00349752-00350117 biological function of that of a wife UxYAP4L1JO0-01280-00350118-00350537 I had to play a wife's role forceful UxYAP4L1JO0-01281-00350538-00350782 so see how the poem quickly changes the UxYAP4L1JO0-01282-00350783-00351503 mood from writing to domestic roles UxYAP4L1JO0-01283-00351504-00351787 now look at another Salon UxYAP4L1JO0-01284-00351788-00352630 poems stories UxYAP4L1JO0-01285-00352631-00353230 foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-01286-00353231-00353489 and my brother's trousers UxYAP4L1JO0-01287-00353490-00353710 cut my hair short UxYAP4L1JO0-01288-00353711-00354167 and ignored my womanliness UxYAP4L1JO0-01289-00354168-00354365 we see that in a lot of radical UxYAP4L1JO0-01290-00354366-00354532 feminists for that sake UxYAP4L1JO0-01291-00354533-00354817 so fed up by this stereotyping gender UxYAP4L1JO0-01292-00354818-00355187 roles and the forced uh conceptions over UxYAP4L1JO0-01293-00355188-00355282 me UxYAP4L1JO0-01294-00355283-00355673 I wore a shirt and cut my hair and I UxYAP4L1JO0-01295-00355674-00355937 wove my brother's trousers and ignored UxYAP4L1JO0-01296-00355938-00356467 my womanliness UxYAP4L1JO0-01297-00356468-00356908 they said the embroidered we cook be a UxYAP4L1JO0-01298-00356909-00357239 quarter with servants fit in UxYAP4L1JO0-01299-00357240-00357593 oh the long crying the categorizers UxYAP4L1JO0-01300-00357594-00357899 don't sit on walls or peeping through a UxYAP4L1JO0-01301-00357900-00358217 face Great Windows UxYAP4L1JO0-01302-00358218-00358330 right UxYAP4L1JO0-01303-00358331-00358613 so that's how conditioning happens UxYAP4L1JO0-01304-00358614-00358877 dress in sari UxYAP4L1JO0-01305-00358878-00359080 women have legs as a moment that UxYAP4L1JO0-01306-00359081-00359387 happened a few years ago because of the UxYAP4L1JO0-01307-00359388-00359615 stereotyping in Brazil right so don't UxYAP4L1JO0-01308-00359616-00359795 dress in short skirts don't dress like UxYAP4L1JO0-01309-00359796-00359980 this don't dress like that so dress and UxYAP4L1JO0-01310-00359981-00360125 Sari UxYAP4L1JO0-01311-00360126-00360527 be girl be wife be embroidered be cook UxYAP4L1JO0-01312-00360528-00360803 be that servant to your husband do the UxYAP4L1JO0-01313-00360804-00360934 domestic rules UxYAP4L1JO0-01314-00360935-00361258 fit in that's a conditioning word fitted UxYAP4L1JO0-01315-00361259-00361499 cried the categorizers UxYAP4L1JO0-01316-00361500-00361787 don't sit on walls or people UxYAP4L1JO0-01317-00361788-00362051 or don't go out and play with your UxYAP4L1JO0-01318-00362052-00362141 friends UxYAP4L1JO0-01319-00362142-00362632 yep condition so be army or be Kamala or UxYAP4L1JO0-01320-00362633-00362939 better still be madhavi kuti UxYAP4L1JO0-01321-00362940-00363269 it's time to choose a name a role UxYAP4L1JO0-01322-00363270-00363580 don't play pretending games don't play UxYAP4L1JO0-01323-00363581-00364056 at schizophrenia or be an info don't cry UxYAP4L1JO0-01324-00364057-00364523 embarrassingly loud when jilted in love UxYAP4L1JO0-01325-00364524-00364684 so what happens there UxYAP4L1JO0-01326-00364685-00364919 is what happens when a woman or a girl UxYAP4L1JO0-01327-00364920-00365206 goes through such trauma and starts to UxYAP4L1JO0-01328-00365207-00365369 become rebellious UxYAP4L1JO0-01329-00365370-00365621 the Patriarchs accuse her to be UxYAP4L1JO0-01330-00365622-00366004 schizophrenic accuse her to be wayward UxYAP4L1JO0-01331-00366005-00366304 accuse her to be UxYAP4L1JO0-01332-00366305-00366377 um UxYAP4L1JO0-01333-00366378-00366749 playing games mind game status UxYAP4L1JO0-01334-00366750-00367054 so she says UxYAP4L1JO0-01335-00367055-00367193 these are things that she went through UxYAP4L1JO0-01336-00367194-00367403 don't play pretending games don't play UxYAP4L1JO0-01337-00367404-00367703 at schizophrenia or be a nympho don't UxYAP4L1JO0-01338-00367704-00367943 cry embarrassingly loud when deleted in UxYAP4L1JO0-01339-00367944-00368225 love UxYAP4L1JO0-01340-00368226-00368434 then she goes on to speak about another UxYAP4L1JO0-01341-00368435-00368903 twist I met a man loved him call him not UxYAP4L1JO0-01342-00368904-00369127 by any name he is every man UxYAP4L1JO0-01343-00369128-00369521 right A man is every man UxYAP4L1JO0-01344-00369522-00369821 he is not individual he is a type he's a UxYAP4L1JO0-01345-00369822-00369965 stereotype UxYAP4L1JO0-01346-00369966-00370241 the moment you say man all men are gonna UxYAP4L1JO0-01347-00370242-00370421 be like this as a sort of categorization UxYAP4L1JO0-01348-00370422-00370817 that mother could he brings him UxYAP4L1JO0-01349-00370818-00371267 he is every man who wants a woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01350-00371268-00371543 just as I am UxYAP4L1JO0-01351-00371544-00371939 every woman who seeks love UxYAP4L1JO0-01352-00371940-00372406 so just as I am looking for love UxYAP4L1JO0-01353-00372407-00372689 if I met a man who like any other man UxYAP4L1JO0-01354-00372690-00372958 who wants a woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01355-00372959-00373217 and mind you again this is the contest UxYAP4L1JO0-01356-00373218-00373469 between mind and body UxYAP4L1JO0-01357-00373470-00373834 I look for love and I met a person who UxYAP4L1JO0-01358-00373835-00374104 like any other person who was looking UxYAP4L1JO0-01359-00374105-00374621 for the physical pleasures UxYAP4L1JO0-01360-00374622-00375197 in him the hungry haste or of reverse UxYAP4L1JO0-01361-00375198-00375484 in him the hungry haste of rivers UxYAP4L1JO0-01362-00375485-00376001 in me the ocean style is waiting UxYAP4L1JO0-01363-00376002-00376421 so I am calm and I'm looking for love UxYAP4L1JO0-01364-00376422-00376817 in him the hungry Haste The Hunger UxYAP4L1JO0-01365-00376818-00377128 of lust UxYAP4L1JO0-01366-00377129-00377513 who are you I ask each and every one UxYAP4L1JO0-01367-00377514-00377854 the answer is it is I UxYAP4L1JO0-01368-00377855-00378058 I hope the malayalis would remember this UxYAP4L1JO0-01369-00378059-00379354 famous dialogue UxYAP4L1JO0-01370-00379355-00379660 right epistemological question or the UxYAP4L1JO0-01371-00379661-00379960 existential question that all of us face UxYAP4L1JO0-01372-00379961-00380213 the question faced by Buddha and Christ UxYAP4L1JO0-01373-00380214-00380471 alike who are you UxYAP4L1JO0-01374-00380472-00380651 who am I UxYAP4L1JO0-01375-00380652-00380891 where am I heading UxYAP4L1JO0-01376-00380892-00381167 is it this Mortal Immortal World or is UxYAP4L1JO0-01377-00381168-00381460 it the other world that I belong to UxYAP4L1JO0-01378-00381461-00381593 so UxYAP4L1JO0-01379-00381594-00381667 um UxYAP4L1JO0-01380-00381668-00382193 yeah so she asks them UxYAP4L1JO0-01381-00382194-00382613 who are you and the answer is it is I UxYAP4L1JO0-01382-00382614-00382930 hear that I is more of a privileged UxYAP4L1JO0-01383-00382931-00383380 Pride eye full of perhaps UxYAP4L1JO0-01384-00383381-00384178 o UxYAP4L1JO0-01385-00384179-00384541 to me UxYAP4L1JO0-01386-00384542-00384803 I am I UxYAP4L1JO0-01387-00384804-00385091 you don't know who I am right so that I UxYAP4L1JO0-01388-00385092-00385325 is being that narcissistic eye is being UxYAP4L1JO0-01389-00385326-00385451 projected here UxYAP4L1JO0-01390-00385452-00385728 so I am I UxYAP4L1JO0-01391-00385729-00386045 anywhere and everywhere I see the one UxYAP4L1JO0-01392-00386046-00386356 who calls himself I in this world UxYAP4L1JO0-01393-00386357-00386639 he is tightly packed like the sword in UxYAP4L1JO0-01394-00386640-00386795 its sheath UxYAP4L1JO0-01395-00386796-00387119 it is I here there could be multiple UxYAP4L1JO0-01396-00387120-00387328 meanings in the closing para closing UxYAP4L1JO0-01397-00387329-00387539 stance are that is I'm sorry there could UxYAP4L1JO0-01398-00387540-00387778 be multiple meanings UxYAP4L1JO0-01399-00387779-00388067 primarily it appears to be a depiction UxYAP4L1JO0-01400-00388068-00388603 of the eye as in the I mean UxYAP4L1JO0-01401-00388604-00388895 who is lonely and gets into a personal UxYAP4L1JO0-01402-00388896-00389101 space it could be both UxYAP4L1JO0-01403-00389102-00389327 but based on your blocks and based on UxYAP4L1JO0-01404-00389328-00389682 the reviews it is I Who Drink lonely UxYAP4L1JO0-01405-00389683-00390047 drinks at 12 midnight in hotels of UxYAP4L1JO0-01406-00390048-00390430 strange towns it is I who laugh it is I UxYAP4L1JO0-01407-00390431-00390754 who make love and then feel shame it is UxYAP4L1JO0-01408-00390755-00391073 I who like dying with a rattle in my UxYAP4L1JO0-01409-00391074-00391253 throat UxYAP4L1JO0-01410-00391254-00391553 the male the man the privileged UxYAP4L1JO0-01411-00391554-00391895 who can walk at midnight anywhere drink UxYAP4L1JO0-01412-00391896-00392303 at 12 in strange hotels in strange towns UxYAP4L1JO0-01413-00392304-00392608 the man who can laugh louder UxYAP4L1JO0-01414-00392609-00392908 the man who can make love with anyone he UxYAP4L1JO0-01415-00392909-00393395 or she wants to and then feel guilt UxYAP4L1JO0-01416-00393396-00393689 I am sinner I am saint UxYAP4L1JO0-01417-00393690-00393797 right UxYAP4L1JO0-01418-00393798-00394121 I have slept with many women but UxYAP4L1JO0-01419-00394122-00394403 I'm saying again I get reminds of this UxYAP4L1JO0-01420-00394404-00394697 famous statement by Henry Fielding who UxYAP4L1JO0-01421-00394698-00394871 wrote Tom Jones prescribed to you in me UxYAP4L1JO0-01422-00394872-00395015 G3 UxYAP4L1JO0-01423-00395016-00395303 in order to glorify Tom Jones love UxYAP4L1JO0-01424-00395304-00395587 for his lady I forgot her name right now UxYAP4L1JO0-01425-00395588-00395908 uh Sophie isomers in order to justify UxYAP4L1JO0-01426-00395909-00396160 Tom Jones love for Sofia UxYAP4L1JO0-01427-00396161-00396484 at a mid part of the no Henry Fielding UxYAP4L1JO0-01428-00396485-00396701 intervenes and says because by then Tom UxYAP4L1JO0-01429-00396702-00396971 Jones has been with a lot of ladies so UxYAP4L1JO0-01430-00396972-00397223 uh Henry Fielding intervenes and says UxYAP4L1JO0-01431-00397224-00397469 Tom is an innocent guy UxYAP4L1JO0-01432-00397470-00397663 innocent guy UxYAP4L1JO0-01433-00397664-00398075 he may fall for the UxYAP4L1JO0-01434-00398076-00398267 charms of women UxYAP4L1JO0-01435-00398268-00398608 and even when they request an entice him UxYAP4L1JO0-01436-00398609-00399643 he sleeps with them UxYAP4L1JO0-01437-00399644-00399947 so out of sheer love he sleeps with all UxYAP4L1JO0-01438-00399948-00400054 of them UxYAP4L1JO0-01439-00400055-00400289 but that doesn't mean he doesn't love UxYAP4L1JO0-01440-00400290-00400421 Sophia UxYAP4L1JO0-01441-00400422-00400673 Sophia is so dear to him and he's so UxYAP4L1JO0-01442-00400674-00400967 true in his love says Henry field though UxYAP4L1JO0-01443-00400968-00401158 whenever I read this I find this really UxYAP4L1JO0-01444-00401159-00401423 difficult for me to comprehend that sort UxYAP4L1JO0-01445-00401424-00401693 of innocent genuine love I don't know UxYAP4L1JO0-01446-00401694-00401945 but then that's what is referring I UxYAP4L1JO0-01447-00401946-00402167 slept with many but then I Am The Sinner UxYAP4L1JO0-01448-00402168-00402419 but I am the saint because I am a man if UxYAP4L1JO0-01449-00402420-00402569 you are a woman then you are a sinner UxYAP4L1JO0-01450-00402570-00402730 you are a you are whatever you are UxYAP4L1JO0-01451-00402731-00402958 that's how shaming happens so being UxYAP4L1JO0-01452-00402959-00403313 a man I can drink lonely and drink at 12 UxYAP4L1JO0-01453-00403314-00403577 midnight in hotels of strange towns I UxYAP4L1JO0-01454-00403578-00403865 can laugh out loud I can make love feel UxYAP4L1JO0-01455-00403866-00404189 guilty and I Am The Sinner and I am the UxYAP4L1JO0-01456-00404190-00404254 saint UxYAP4L1JO0-01457-00404255-00404525 I am the Beloved and betrayed I have no UxYAP4L1JO0-01458-00404526-00404710 Joys that are not yours UxYAP4L1JO0-01459-00404711-00405028 no aches which are not yours I too call UxYAP4L1JO0-01460-00405029-00405202 myself I UxYAP4L1JO0-01461-00405203-00405449 see so that's where UxYAP4L1JO0-01462-00405450-00405706 the mood changes maybe it changes from UxYAP4L1JO0-01463-00405707-00405952 here that's disputable but nonetheless UxYAP4L1JO0-01464-00405953-00406180 she says UxYAP4L1JO0-01465-00406181-00406487 gas or any man who's a stereotypical one UxYAP4L1JO0-01466-00406488-00406721 you may be doing all these things but I UxYAP4L1JO0-01467-00406722-00406978 am the Beloved and I am the betreet UxYAP4L1JO0-01468-00406979-00407182 you have betrayed by love UxYAP4L1JO0-01469-00407183-00407465 I have no Joys that are not yours UxYAP4L1JO0-01470-00407466-00407728 no aches which are not yours UxYAP4L1JO0-01471-00407729-00408125 and I too call myself I and that I is UxYAP4L1JO0-01472-00408126-00408245 somehow UxYAP4L1JO0-01473-00408246-00408539 probably less powerful than the eye that UxYAP4L1JO0-01474-00408540-00408749 you use UxYAP4L1JO0-01475-00408750-00409271 because you are a male and I am a woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01476-00409272-00409547 so that's how an introduction UxYAP4L1JO0-01477-00409548-00409691 goes UxYAP4L1JO0-01478-00409692-00409901 when it comes to questions UxYAP4L1JO0-01479-00409902-00410087 annotations of what I've shown you two UxYAP4L1JO0-01480-00410088-00410230 or three occurrences which have been UxYAP4L1JO0-01481-00410231-00410422 repetitive when it comes to annotations UxYAP4L1JO0-01482-00410423-00410687 from this poem but apart from that UxYAP4L1JO0-01483-00410688-00411018 there could be questions regarding UxYAP4L1JO0-01484-00411019-00411376 how uh the language is being employed in UxYAP4L1JO0-01485-00411377-00411497 this poem UxYAP4L1JO0-01486-00411497-00411724 you could also draw from this poem for UxYAP4L1JO0-01487-00411725-00412013 writing an essay in any of the novels UxYAP4L1JO0-01488-00412014-00412518 if a question comes in how uh UxYAP4L1JO0-01489-00412519-00412793 uses Indian English to good effect in UxYAP4L1JO0-01490-00412793-00412913 their normal UxYAP4L1JO0-01491-00412914-00413213 you could definitely bring in kamaladas UxYAP4L1JO0-01492-00413214-00413459 and her poem and introduction in order UxYAP4L1JO0-01493-00413460-00413639 to explain how UxYAP4L1JO0-01494-00413639-00413824 these writers have taken their own UxYAP4L1JO0-01495-00413825-00414132 Indian English to better Heights UxYAP4L1JO0-01496-00414133-00414359 let's quickly move on because we only UxYAP4L1JO0-01497-00414360-00414659 have another 20 minutes perhaps let's UxYAP4L1JO0-01498-00414660-00414863 quickly move on to another poem by her UxYAP4L1JO0-01499-00414864-00415210 title the sunshine cat so apart from the UxYAP4L1JO0-01500-00415212-00415378 language aspect and introduction also UxYAP4L1JO0-01501-00415379-00415672 has a gender conundrum it also has a UxYAP4L1JO0-01502-00415673-00415930 personalized confessional tone that's to UxYAP4L1JO0-01503-00415931-00416326 be noted and this is heightened in the UxYAP4L1JO0-01504-00416327-00416705 next poem The Sunshine cat UxYAP4L1JO0-01505-00416706-00416914 would someone please do the honors of UxYAP4L1JO0-01506-00416916-00417059 reading this poem I can share the link UxYAP4L1JO0-01507-00417060-00417263 with you in the group in the chat that UxYAP4L1JO0-01508-00417264-00417376 is I'm sorry UxYAP4L1JO0-01509-00417377-00417551 just give me a second UxYAP4L1JO0-01510-00417552-00417868 let me share the link yes you may feel UxYAP4L1JO0-01511-00417869-00418066 free to read UxYAP4L1JO0-01512-00418067-00418337 uh let me share the link let me just UxYAP4L1JO0-01513-00418338-00418522 share the screen once again UxYAP4L1JO0-01514-00418523-00418816 the link has been shared let me just UxYAP4L1JO0-01515-00418817-00418918 share the UxYAP4L1JO0-01516-00418919-00419291 form yeah go on UxYAP4L1JO0-01517-00419292-00419489 this is smaller poem this doesn't have UxYAP4L1JO0-01518-00419489-00419747 too much it's comparatively small 22 UxYAP4L1JO0-01519-00419747-00420047 lines they did this to her the man who UxYAP4L1JO0-01520-00420047-00420407 know her the man she loved who loved her UxYAP4L1JO0-01521-00420408-00420772 not enough being selfish and a coward UxYAP4L1JO0-01522-00420773-00421055 the husband who neither loved her nor UxYAP4L1JO0-01523-00421056-00421325 used her but for the was a ruthless UxYAP4L1JO0-01524-00421326-00421625 Watcher and the band of cynics she UxYAP4L1JO0-01525-00421626-00421733 turned to UxYAP4L1JO0-01526-00421734-00421975 clinging to their chest UxYAP4L1JO0-01527-00421976-00422363 wear new hair sprouted like great winged UxYAP4L1JO0-01528-00422364-00422477 moths UxYAP4L1JO0-01529-00422478-00422843 borrowing her face into their smells and UxYAP4L1JO0-01530-00422843-00423203 their young lust to forget to forgot how UxYAP4L1JO0-01531-00423204-00423335 to forgot UxYAP4L1JO0-01532-00423335-00423641 to forgot oh to forgot and they said UxYAP4L1JO0-01533-00423642-00423959 each of them I do not love UxYAP4L1JO0-01534-00423960-00424283 I cannot love it is not in my nature to UxYAP4L1JO0-01535-00424284-00424607 love but I can be kind to you UxYAP4L1JO0-01536-00424608-00424937 they let her slide from pegs of Sanity UxYAP4L1JO0-01537-00424938-00425368 into a bed made soft will tears and UxYAP4L1JO0-01538-00425369-00425681 she'd lay there weeping for Sleep had UxYAP4L1JO0-01539-00425682-00426089 lost its use I shall build walls with UxYAP4L1JO0-01540-00426089-00426677 tears she said walls to shut me in UxYAP4L1JO0-01541-00426678-00427675 foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-01542-00427676-00428051 looked her in a room of books with a UxYAP4L1JO0-01543-00428052-00428291 streak of sunshine lying near the door UxYAP4L1JO0-01544-00428292-00428641 like a yellow cat to keep her company UxYAP4L1JO0-01545-00428642-00429077 but soon winter came and one day while UxYAP4L1JO0-01546-00429078-00429460 locking her in he noticed that the cat UxYAP4L1JO0-01547-00429462-00430055 of sunshine was only a line a hair chin UxYAP4L1JO0-01548-00430056-00430385 line a hair thin line and in the evening UxYAP4L1JO0-01549-00430385-00430822 when he returned to take her out she was UxYAP4L1JO0-01550-00430823-00431209 old she was a cold and half dead women UxYAP4L1JO0-01551-00431210-00431645 now of no use at all to men UxYAP4L1JO0-01552-00431646-00431914 thank you sir thank you thank you so UxYAP4L1JO0-01553-00431915-00432095 that's just one blind reading of those UxYAP4L1JO0-01554-00432096-00432370 22 lines once again congratulations and UxYAP4L1JO0-01555-00432371-00432563 thank you to both of you UxYAP4L1JO0-01556-00432564-00432725 let's continue there could be further UxYAP4L1JO0-01557-00432726-00432935 crashes as well because it's raining UxYAP4L1JO0-01558-00432935-00433091 outside it's summer rain happening UxYAP4L1JO0-01559-00433092-00433301 outside so that might be a possible UxYAP4L1JO0-01560-00433302-00433516 reason why the network crashed so please UxYAP4L1JO0-01561-00433517-00433733 don't go away just in case my internet UxYAP4L1JO0-01562-00433734-00433918 connection fails I'll come back and UxYAP4L1JO0-01563-00433919-00434147 continue from where we left so I was UxYAP4L1JO0-01564-00434147-00434533 trying to tell you that UxYAP4L1JO0-01565-00434534-00434860 yeah so when you try to recite poems in UxYAP4L1JO0-01566-00434862-00435137 particular uh give yourself a few UxYAP4L1JO0-01567-00435138-00435413 seconds by going through those lines and UxYAP4L1JO0-01568-00435414-00435670 give life to what you recite because UxYAP4L1JO0-01569-00435671-00435989 that's what makes it interesting UxYAP4L1JO0-01570-00435989-00436193 so when it comes to UxYAP4L1JO0-01571-00436193-00436493 this particular poem by kamaladas yes UxYAP4L1JO0-01572-00436493-00436691 congratulations to both of you on your UxYAP4L1JO0-01573-00436692-00436907 wonderful recitation and that's also UxYAP4L1JO0-01574-00436908-00437093 because you're just taking baby steps in UxYAP4L1JO0-01575-00437093-00437418 this but uh they could be better UxYAP4L1JO0-01576-00437419-00437735 Renditions in the sense UxYAP4L1JO0-01577-00437735-00437995 um UxYAP4L1JO0-01578-00437996-00438359 so when you when you read this poem look UxYAP4L1JO0-01579-00438360-00438605 at the pervading mood it is again about UxYAP4L1JO0-01580-00438606-00439007 the marital Discord about how the wife UxYAP4L1JO0-01581-00439008-00439259 has been neglected by the husband or how UxYAP4L1JO0-01582-00439260-00439541 the age Gap is playing a major role uh UxYAP4L1JO0-01583-00439542-00439805 in the particular poem so how would you UxYAP4L1JO0-01584-00439806-00439937 read this UxYAP4L1JO0-01585-00439938-00440183 how do you read that first line UxYAP4L1JO0-01586-00440184-00440464 they did this to her the man who knew UxYAP4L1JO0-01587-00440465-00440759 her the man she loved who loved her not UxYAP4L1JO0-01588-00440760-00441029 enough being selfish and a coward UxYAP4L1JO0-01589-00441030-00441310 how do you read this UxYAP4L1JO0-01590-00441312-00441510 there's a sort of a UxYAP4L1JO0-01591-00441512-00441766 exclamation now let's sort of a disgust UxYAP4L1JO0-01592-00441767-00442055 in this they did this to her UxYAP4L1JO0-01593-00442056-00442613 they who they did this to her UxYAP4L1JO0-01594-00442614-00442816 they did this to her UxYAP4L1JO0-01595-00442817-00443033 who are this day UxYAP4L1JO0-01596-00443034-00443225 The Men Who know her UxYAP4L1JO0-01597-00443226-00443489 the man she loved UxYAP4L1JO0-01598-00443489-00443687 who loved her not enough UxYAP4L1JO0-01599-00443688-00443968 being selfish and recovered the husband UxYAP4L1JO0-01600-00443969-00444239 who neither loved nor used her UxYAP4L1JO0-01601-00444239-00444466 but was a ruthless watcher UxYAP4L1JO0-01602-00444467-00444749 and the band of Scenic she turned to UxYAP4L1JO0-01603-00444750-00445013 clinging to their chests when new hair UxYAP4L1JO0-01604-00445014-00445297 sprouted like great winged moths UxYAP4L1JO0-01605-00445297-00445618 borrowing her face into smells and the UxYAP4L1JO0-01606-00445619-00445966 young lusts to forget to forget see how UxYAP4L1JO0-01607-00445967-00446266 do you read that to forget to forget or UxYAP4L1JO0-01608-00446267-00446651 to forget and they said each of them I UxYAP4L1JO0-01609-00446652-00446999 do not love I cannot love it is not in UxYAP4L1JO0-01610-00447000-00447281 my nature to love but I can be kind to UxYAP4L1JO0-01611-00447282-00447413 you UxYAP4L1JO0-01612-00447414-00447739 they let her slide from Tech Society UxYAP4L1JO0-01613-00447739-00448181 into a bed made with soft tears and UxYAP4L1JO0-01614-00448182-00448451 she'll lay there weeping so sleep had UxYAP4L1JO0-01615-00448452-00448685 lost its use UxYAP4L1JO0-01616-00448685-00448993 I shall build walls with tears she said UxYAP4L1JO0-01617-00448993-00449297 who wants to shut me in UxYAP4L1JO0-01618-00449297-00449539 her husband shut her in every morning UxYAP4L1JO0-01619-00449539-00449843 lock her in a room of books with a UxYAP4L1JO0-01620-00449843-00450070 streak of sunshine lying near the door UxYAP4L1JO0-01621-00450071-00450343 like a yellow cat to keep her company UxYAP4L1JO0-01622-00450343-00450695 but soon Wilco came and one day while UxYAP4L1JO0-01623-00450696-00450941 locking her in he noticed that the cat UxYAP4L1JO0-01624-00450942-00451264 of sunshine was only a line a half Thin UxYAP4L1JO0-01625-00451265-00451564 Line and in the evening when he returned UxYAP4L1JO0-01626-00451565-00451829 to take her out she was a cold and half UxYAP4L1JO0-01627-00451830-00452466 dead woman now of no use to all men UxYAP4L1JO0-01628-00452467-00452891 so look how this poem proceeds UxYAP4L1JO0-01629-00452892-00453077 right from the beginning something UxYAP4L1JO0-01630-00453078-00453377 similar to an introduction she speaks UxYAP4L1JO0-01631-00453378-00453749 about how she longed for love how she UxYAP4L1JO0-01632-00453750-00454001 was willing to love and to be loved UxYAP4L1JO0-01633-00454002-00454313 and how men who have passive and abusive UxYAP4L1JO0-01634-00454314-00454649 and utilitarian with her UxYAP4L1JO0-01635-00454650-00454925 how she was UxYAP4L1JO0-01636-00454926-00455249 you know looking for a Ptolemy club or UxYAP4L1JO0-01637-00455250-00455543 from mind related love and how they were UxYAP4L1JO0-01638-00455543-00455731 all physical with them UxYAP4L1JO0-01639-00455732-00456179 so look at her helplessness look at the UxYAP4L1JO0-01640-00456180-00456520 pity from which she writes the smoke UxYAP4L1JO0-01641-00456521-00456743 they did this to her UxYAP4L1JO0-01642-00456743-00457003 they did what to her UxYAP4L1JO0-01643-00457004-00457253 and who are the state UxYAP4L1JO0-01644-00457254-00457601 explained one after the other UxYAP4L1JO0-01645-00457602-00457883 The Men Who know her UxYAP4L1JO0-01646-00457884-00458116 the man she loved UxYAP4L1JO0-01647-00458117-00458447 who loved her not enough right UxYAP4L1JO0-01648-00458447-00458603 she loved the man UxYAP4L1JO0-01649-00458604-00458795 he did not love her enough UxYAP4L1JO0-01650-00458796-00459185 being selfish undercovered UxYAP4L1JO0-01651-00459185-00459479 being selfish and uncovered maybe UxYAP4L1JO0-01652-00459480-00459713 reference to an adolescent love UxYAP4L1JO0-01653-00459714-00459881 She Loved Someone UxYAP4L1JO0-01654-00459882-00460114 but then he didn't allow her as much as UxYAP4L1JO0-01655-00460115-00460427 she loved he was a coward UxYAP4L1JO0-01656-00460428-00460679 he was a coward maybe he didn't want UxYAP4L1JO0-01657-00460680-00460909 this to be public he didn't want to go UxYAP4L1JO0-01658-00460910-00461177 you know public about the fact that they UxYAP4L1JO0-01659-00461178-00461410 are in a relationship UxYAP4L1JO0-01660-00461412-00461591 he was being selfish UxYAP4L1JO0-01661-00461592-00461755 and a cover UxYAP4L1JO0-01662-00461756-00461957 selfish they'd be thinking about a UxYAP4L1JO0-01663-00461958-00462143 better life maybe thinking about his UxYAP4L1JO0-01664-00462143-00462449 personal image or whatever there's a UxYAP4L1JO0-01665-00462450-00462581 latter reference to which I shall come UxYAP4L1JO0-01666-00462582-00462803 back UxYAP4L1JO0-01667-00462804-00463060 the husband who neither loved nor used UxYAP4L1JO0-01668-00463062-00463181 her UxYAP4L1JO0-01669-00463182-00463559 that was a ruthless watcher UxYAP4L1JO0-01670-00463560-00463931 Das is being referred to here thus UxYAP4L1JO0-01671-00463932-00464213 who neither loved nor used her because UxYAP4L1JO0-01672-00464214-00464555 there was a wide gulls of age difference UxYAP4L1JO0-01673-00464556-00464729 there was a huge age difference between UxYAP4L1JO0-01674-00464730-00465059 Kamala and Das so he neither loved her UxYAP4L1JO0-01675-00465060-00465401 nor was he really cruel to her UxYAP4L1JO0-01676-00465402-00465635 but UxYAP4L1JO0-01677-00465635-00465889 he was a ruthless watcher UxYAP4L1JO0-01678-00465889-00466409 and the band of cynics she turned UxYAP4L1JO0-01679-00466410-00466625 cynics UxYAP4L1JO0-01680-00466626-00466937 a person who is motivated purely by UxYAP4L1JO0-01681-00466938-00467113 self-interest UxYAP4L1JO0-01682-00467114-00467351 selfish people UxYAP4L1JO0-01683-00467352-00467663 so the selfish people whom she turned to UxYAP4L1JO0-01684-00467664-00468029 clinging to their chests UxYAP4L1JO0-01685-00468030-00468341 burrowing her face into their smells now UxYAP4L1JO0-01686-00468342-00469451 just imagine the word image UxYAP4L1JO0-01687-00469452-00469768 right so a chest full of hairs and she's UxYAP4L1JO0-01688-00469769-00469999 clinging on to them in question UxYAP4L1JO0-01689-00470000-00470203 affections UxYAP4L1JO0-01690-00470204-00470489 burrowing her face into the smell into UxYAP4L1JO0-01691-00470489-00470813 the what you call into the uh UxYAP4L1JO0-01692-00470814-00471275 we are yeah sweat sweat smells and the UxYAP4L1JO0-01693-00471276-00471583 young lusts to forget UxYAP4L1JO0-01694-00471584-00471845 the young lusts because they were UxYAP4L1JO0-01695-00471846-00472031 lusting after her when she was looking UxYAP4L1JO0-01696-00472032-00472181 for love UxYAP4L1JO0-01697-00472182-00472564 to forget to forget or to forget UxYAP4L1JO0-01698-00472565-00472745 to forget what forget all these UxYAP4L1JO0-01699-00472746-00473051 betrayals and they said UxYAP4L1JO0-01700-00473052-00473410 each of them not one not two but each of UxYAP4L1JO0-01701-00473412-00473759 those cynics they said UxYAP4L1JO0-01702-00473760-00473981 I do not love UxYAP4L1JO0-01703-00473982-00474347 I cannot love it is not in my nature to UxYAP4L1JO0-01704-00474347-00474466 love UxYAP4L1JO0-01705-00474467-00474791 but I can be kind to you UxYAP4L1JO0-01706-00474792-00475043 right go back to the first one the UxYAP4L1JO0-01707-00475043-00475307 selfish and covered lover UxYAP4L1JO0-01708-00475308-00475541 somewhat like that I do not love UxYAP4L1JO0-01709-00475542-00475714 I cannot love UxYAP4L1JO0-01710-00475715-00476047 it is not in my nature to love UxYAP4L1JO0-01711-00476047-00476464 then let her slide from pegs of serenity UxYAP4L1JO0-01712-00476465-00476849 into a bed made soft with tears and she UxYAP4L1JO0-01713-00476850-00477155 lay there weeping for Sleep had lost its UxYAP4L1JO0-01714-00477156-00477383 use UxYAP4L1JO0-01715-00477384-00477695 sleep had lost its use by their constant UxYAP4L1JO0-01716-00477696-00477881 abuse UxYAP4L1JO0-01717-00477882-00478079 so the way they were using her the day UxYAP4L1JO0-01718-00478080-00478247 where they were abusing her the way UxYAP4L1JO0-01719-00478247-00478493 where they they were subjugating her so UxYAP4L1JO0-01720-00478493-00478793 they the way they were abandoning her UxYAP4L1JO0-01721-00478793-00479183 out of misery out of heartbreak out of UxYAP4L1JO0-01722-00479184-00479399 the mishap of breakups UxYAP4L1JO0-01723-00479400-00479639 have that had become soft UxYAP4L1JO0-01724-00479639-00480618 wet with her peers UxYAP4L1JO0-01725-00480619-00481018 she started to weak and the bed became UxYAP4L1JO0-01726-00481019-00481463 soft UxYAP4L1JO0-01727-00481464-00481763 and she lost or she let her slide they UxYAP4L1JO0-01728-00481764-00482122 let her slide from thanks of sanity UxYAP4L1JO0-01729-00482123-00482303 so what happens when you move from UxYAP4L1JO0-01730-00482304-00482627 sanity you became insane remember that UxYAP4L1JO0-01731-00482628-00482785 was referred to in an introduction UxYAP4L1JO0-01732-00482785-00483125 schizophrenia maniac right so packs of UxYAP4L1JO0-01733-00483126-00483251 sanity UxYAP4L1JO0-01734-00483252-00483466 she was out of her mind she lost her UxYAP4L1JO0-01735-00483467-00483568 sanity UxYAP4L1JO0-01736-00483569-00483755 suffering these many heartbreaks UxYAP4L1JO0-01737-00483756-00483941 suffering these many promises being UxYAP4L1JO0-01738-00483942-00484072 broken UxYAP4L1JO0-01739-00484073-00484313 she lost her sanity and they let her UxYAP4L1JO0-01740-00484314-00484553 lose her sanity they stood apart UxYAP4L1JO0-01741-00484554-00484822 nonchalantly without commitment and they UxYAP4L1JO0-01742-00484823-00485153 were like I'm sorry I can't help you UxYAP4L1JO0-01743-00485154-00485710 they brushed aside her queries UxYAP4L1JO0-01744-00485712-00486047 so she laid a weeping in her bed UxYAP4L1JO0-01745-00486047-00486305 for Sleep had lost its use UxYAP4L1JO0-01746-00486306-00486557 right out of the miseries that she was UxYAP4L1JO0-01747-00486558-00486785 going through crying crying crying UxYAP4L1JO0-01748-00486785-00487120 crying crying sleep had a bag that UxYAP4L1JO0-01749-00487121-00487318 only sleep that she could crave for was UxYAP4L1JO0-01750-00487319-00487516 the Eternal sleep UxYAP4L1JO0-01751-00487517-00487720 death UxYAP4L1JO0-01752-00487721-00488009 so sleep had abandoned her UxYAP4L1JO0-01753-00488010-00488266 I shall build walls with tears she said UxYAP4L1JO0-01754-00488267-00488633 who wants to shut me in UxYAP4L1JO0-01755-00488634-00488891 in a way Wars would protect you right so UxYAP4L1JO0-01756-00488892-00489149 I'll build Wars with my tears so that UxYAP4L1JO0-01757-00489150-00489413 nobody else gets into me and breaks my UxYAP4L1JO0-01758-00489414-00489701 heart further UxYAP4L1JO0-01759-00489702-00489955 her husband shut her in every morning UxYAP4L1JO0-01760-00489956-00490283 not in the walls but in the room locked UxYAP4L1JO0-01761-00490284-00490510 her in a room of books with a streak of UxYAP4L1JO0-01762-00490512-00490745 sunshine lying near the door like a UxYAP4L1JO0-01763-00490746-00490955 yellow cat to keep her company UxYAP4L1JO0-01764-00490956-00491243 so her husband shut her in the room UxYAP4L1JO0-01765-00491243-00491449 every morning UxYAP4L1JO0-01766-00491450-00491699 and went for work UxYAP4L1JO0-01767-00491700-00491939 so a room full of books with a little UxYAP4L1JO0-01768-00491939-00492245 bit of sunshine falling into it just as UxYAP4L1JO0-01769-00492246-00492533 a cat is there to keep her comfort UxYAP4L1JO0-01770-00492534-00492772 but soon winter came and when there is UxYAP4L1JO0-01771-00492773-00492977 winter there is no sunshine it's all UxYAP4L1JO0-01772-00492978-00493079 dark UxYAP4L1JO0-01773-00493080-00493349 so one day while locking her in UxYAP4L1JO0-01774-00493350-00493607 he noticed the husband noticed that the UxYAP4L1JO0-01775-00493608-00493889 cat of sunshine was only a line a half UxYAP4L1JO0-01776-00493889-00494087 Thin Line UxYAP4L1JO0-01777-00494088-00494435 that is the lighthouse weight and in the UxYAP4L1JO0-01778-00494435-00494651 evening when he returned to take her out UxYAP4L1JO0-01779-00494652-00495022 she was a cold and half dead woman now UxYAP4L1JO0-01780-00495023-00495299 of no use to at all to men UxYAP4L1JO0-01781-00495300-00495479 now look at the comparisons there are UxYAP4L1JO0-01782-00495480-00495593 quite a lot of things going on there UxYAP4L1JO0-01783-00495593-00495833 literally change of seasons summer to UxYAP4L1JO0-01784-00495834-00496127 Winter sunshine to cold the line has UxYAP4L1JO0-01785-00496128-00496366 become thin but here the line is also UxYAP4L1JO0-01786-00496367-00496649 about Hope or of companionship or of UxYAP4L1JO0-01787-00496650-00497003 love you know the line has become thin UxYAP4L1JO0-01788-00497004-00497351 and by the time he returned UxYAP4L1JO0-01789-00497352-00497633 to take her out she was a cold and half UxYAP4L1JO0-01790-00497634-00497759 dead woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01791-00497760-00498077 cold due to winter cold because of the UxYAP4L1JO0-01792-00498078-00498313 lack of love affection comparative UxYAP4L1JO0-01793-00498314-00498575 companionship taking care of compassion UxYAP4L1JO0-01794-00498576-00498803 blah blah whatever so she was a half UxYAP4L1JO0-01795-00498804-00498905 dead woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01796-00498906-00499199 now of no use at all to men UxYAP4L1JO0-01797-00499200-00499451 you may also think of herself as a UxYAP4L1JO0-01798-00499452-00499618 fragile woman UxYAP4L1JO0-01799-00499619-00499913 without proper food crying all day long UxYAP4L1JO0-01800-00499914-00500237 locked up in a room become so thin that UxYAP4L1JO0-01801-00500238-00500477 men who look for fleshly Affairs would UxYAP4L1JO0-01802-00500478-00500620 no longer be interested in her UxYAP4L1JO0-01803-00500621-00500807 appearance that could also be an UxYAP4L1JO0-01804-00500808-00501131 intention uh in those lines UxYAP4L1JO0-01805-00501132-00501413 so the point ends with that pathetic UxYAP4L1JO0-01806-00501414-00501809 pathos note that I am of no use to any UxYAP4L1JO0-01807-00501810-00502163 man at all men who are always after my UxYAP4L1JO0-01808-00502164-00502475 flesh when I was in quest for that UxYAP4L1JO0-01809-00502476-00502583 eternal love UxYAP4L1JO0-01810-00502584-00502925 that's how that Pope ends due to the UxYAP4L1JO0-01811-00502926-00503177 lack of time I'm not gonna deal with my UxYAP4L1JO0-01812-00503178-00503368 grandmother's house today or maybe later UxYAP4L1JO0-01813-00503369-00503663 either but I could just talk to you very UxYAP4L1JO0-01814-00503664-00503831 briefly about that UxYAP4L1JO0-01815-00503832-00504101 my grandmother's house is completely UxYAP4L1JO0-01816-00504102-00504433 autobiographical in nature UxYAP4L1JO0-01817-00504434-00504839 having lost her grandmother that is UxYAP4L1JO0-01818-00504839-00505127 pays a visit to her ancestral home UxYAP4L1JO0-01819-00505128-00505385 house UxYAP4L1JO0-01820-00505385-00505733 and as she pays a visit to her ancestral UxYAP4L1JO0-01821-00505734-00506051 house memories of a grandmother abounds UxYAP4L1JO0-01822-00506052-00506183 in her mind UxYAP4L1JO0-01823-00506184-00506459 and she discusses them with us the UxYAP4L1JO0-01824-00506460-00506710 Nostalgia the longing how the home has UxYAP4L1JO0-01825-00506712-00506975 become a place for reptiles and snakes UxYAP4L1JO0-01826-00506976-00507275 and so on and so forth so that is UxYAP4L1JO0-01827-00507276-00507605 something that that poem deals with and UxYAP4L1JO0-01828-00507606-00507899 if you are able to understand this much UxYAP4L1JO0-01829-00507900-00508127 the annotations or any other questions UxYAP4L1JO0-01830-00508128-00508331 from that poll would not be that UxYAP4L1JO0-01831-00508332-00508553 difficult to deal with UxYAP4L1JO0-01832-00508554-00508763 it could be anything that you want to UxYAP4L1JO0-01833-00508764-00509039 see if you have nothing to say just feel UxYAP4L1JO0-01834-00509039-00509189 free to open up and share something with UxYAP4L1JO0-01835-00509189-00509429 your friends even that is fine UxYAP4L1JO0-01836-00509430-00509657 because we are all a family extended UxYAP4L1JO0-01837-00509658-00509872 family even though we need online and UxYAP4L1JO0-01838-00509873-00510070 even though we have a fourth wall UxYAP4L1JO0-01839-00510071-00510347 between us it doesn't really matter we UxYAP4L1JO0-01840-00510347-00510797 are still the literature Mi G7 family UxYAP4L1JO0-01841-00510797-00511001 just a few weeks UxYAP4L1JO0-01842-00511002-00511343 yes idea please uh well I would like to UxYAP4L1JO0-01843-00511343-00511577 thank you for putting in your thoughts UxYAP4L1JO0-01844-00511578-00512057 about Tom Jones and the quotes by Henry UxYAP4L1JO0-01845-00512058-00512279 Fielding because uh while I Was UxYAP4L1JO0-01846-00512280-00512527 preparing that particular UxYAP4L1JO0-01847-00512528-00512957 novel for Imaging even I couldn't relate UxYAP4L1JO0-01848-00512958-00513293 with what how the Fielding was trying to UxYAP4L1JO0-01849-00513293-00513631 justify Tom's character and I was like UxYAP4L1JO0-01850-00513632-00513905 am I thinking it the wrong way or UxYAP4L1JO0-01851-00513906-00514097 something wrong with me and I there was UxYAP4L1JO0-01852-00514097-00514259 nothing that I could discuss with anyone UxYAP4L1JO0-01853-00514260-00514553 and all the YouTube channels also they UxYAP4L1JO0-01854-00514554-00514733 just give the story there's no opinion UxYAP4L1JO0-01855-00514734-00515063 and it it was kind of reassuring that UxYAP4L1JO0-01856-00515064-00515441 when use uh voice my thoughts it was UxYAP4L1JO0-01857-00515442-00515681 good because there's no way we can UxYAP4L1JO0-01858-00515682-00515939 justify Tom Jones and while I Was UxYAP4L1JO0-01859-00515939-00516197 preparing that particular novel I am UxYAP4L1JO0-01860-00516197-00516401 still wondering how can it be considered UxYAP4L1JO0-01861-00516402-00516587 as one of the best novels in English UxYAP4L1JO0-01862-00516588-00516845 literature maybe it's because of the UxYAP4L1JO0-01863-00516846-00517079 part of the world that we come from and UxYAP4L1JO0-01864-00517080-00517487 that we cannot uh relate to it but still UxYAP4L1JO0-01865-00517488-00517781 I felt good that at least I could you UxYAP4L1JO0-01866-00517782-00518093 could uh speak out my mind UxYAP4L1JO0-01867-00518093-00518357 thank you thank you for that uh honest UxYAP4L1JO0-01868-00518358-00518609 feedback even though we are discussing UxYAP4L1JO0-01869-00518610-00518909 meg7 because Arya pointed out this UxYAP4L1JO0-01870-00518910-00519095 particular thing allow me a couple of UxYAP4L1JO0-01871-00519096-00519305 minutes to talk about the origin of UxYAP4L1JO0-01872-00519306-00519593 Novel and uh a little bit of further UxYAP4L1JO0-01873-00519593-00519805 discussions on what Arya said UxYAP4L1JO0-01874-00519806-00520103 uh what I told is not actually UxYAP4L1JO0-01875-00520104-00520283 completely true okay I'll come to that a UxYAP4L1JO0-01876-00520284-00520481 little while later Tom Jones can be UxYAP4L1JO0-01877-00520482-00520697 justified in terms of Fielding or the UxYAP4L1JO0-01878-00520697-00520870 rise of the known I'll come back to that UxYAP4L1JO0-01879-00520871-00521045 a little while later but then to get UxYAP4L1JO0-01880-00521046-00521279 started with because Arya said the story UxYAP4L1JO0-01881-00521280-00521531 is unconvincing to you let me give you a UxYAP4L1JO0-01882-00521532-00521662 better story UxYAP4L1JO0-01883-00521663-00521893 much before Henry Fielding and Tom Jones UxYAP4L1JO0-01884-00521893-00522257 in 1740 a person called Samuel UxYAP4L1JO0-01885-00522258-00522562 Richardson wrote what is now regarded as UxYAP4L1JO0-01886-00522563-00522862 the first Modern English novel UxYAP4L1JO0-01887-00522863-00523283 the novelist title Pamela p-a-m-e-l-a UxYAP4L1JO0-01888-00523284-00523493 I'll give you a one sentence plot of UxYAP4L1JO0-01889-00523493-00523631 Tamil UxYAP4L1JO0-01890-00523632-00523912 in Pamela you have a maid UxYAP4L1JO0-01891-00523913-00524189 who take care who takes care of a Lord's UxYAP4L1JO0-01892-00524189-00524416 mother UxYAP4L1JO0-01893-00524417-00524675 and the mother passes away UxYAP4L1JO0-01894-00524676-00524909 and the Lord tries to make sexual UxYAP4L1JO0-01895-00524910-00525101 advances towards her UxYAP4L1JO0-01896-00525102-00525361 she literally tries to molest her UxYAP4L1JO0-01897-00525362-00527575 ironing uh UxYAP4L1JO0-01898-00527576-00528041 so despite those attempts of molestation UxYAP4L1JO0-01899-00528042-00528311 by the time the novel comes to the end UxYAP4L1JO0-01900-00528312-00528659 Pamela conscends to marry the Lord UxYAP4L1JO0-01901-00528660-00529091 I repeat the maid who was attempted the UxYAP4L1JO0-01902-00529092-00529314 molestation by the master UxYAP4L1JO0-01903-00529315-00529541 consents toward him UxYAP4L1JO0-01904-00529542-00529745 to marry him UxYAP4L1JO0-01905-00529746-00530111 by the time the novel comes to a closure UxYAP4L1JO0-01906-00530112-00530303 there are quite a lot of such stories UxYAP4L1JO0-01907-00530304-00530693 which would not sound sensible to us UxYAP4L1JO0-01908-00530694-00531005 at least from a progressive Outlook UxYAP4L1JO0-01909-00531006-00531239 but then let me give you one other UxYAP4L1JO0-01910-00531240-00531491 alternate point of view to you area UxYAP4L1JO0-01911-00531492-00531761 the reason why Henry Fielding justifies UxYAP4L1JO0-01912-00531762-00532135 Tom Jones and his actions is because UxYAP4L1JO0-01913-00532136-00532685 until Henry fielding's time in Britain UxYAP4L1JO0-01914-00532686-00533279 the society nurtured a popular view that UxYAP4L1JO0-01915-00533280-00533639 people and the character is defined by UxYAP4L1JO0-01916-00533640-00533872 their birth UxYAP4L1JO0-01917-00533873-00534059 in India we have this caste system UxYAP4L1JO0-01918-00534060-00534233 people used to believe that if you UxYAP4L1JO0-01919-00534234-00534425 belong to a particular caste you are UxYAP4L1JO0-01920-00534426-00534616 noble and good and whatever Mischief you UxYAP4L1JO0-01921-00534617-00534857 do can be forgiven and if you belong to UxYAP4L1JO0-01922-00534858-00535043 a certain caste then you would have done UxYAP4L1JO0-01923-00535044-00535318 all the mischiefs similarly in Britain UxYAP4L1JO0-01924-00535319-00535541 they had this concept that people of a UxYAP4L1JO0-01925-00535542-00535835 noble parent age the son of a king the UxYAP4L1JO0-01926-00535836-00536033 son of a lord the son of a priest would UxYAP4L1JO0-01927-00536034-00536297 all be good people and bastards or UxYAP4L1JO0-01928-00536298-00536543 people who belong to low class would UxYAP4L1JO0-01929-00536544-00536807 always be Thieves burglars robbers good UxYAP4L1JO0-01930-00536808-00537005 for nothing fellows and so on rapists UxYAP4L1JO0-01931-00537006-00537287 and so on so Tom Jones or Henry Fielding UxYAP4L1JO0-01932-00537288-00537461 wanted to break this perception through UxYAP4L1JO0-01933-00537462-00537845 his nose so in order to do that he UxYAP4L1JO0-01934-00537846-00538157 brings in a bastard child and the UxYAP4L1JO0-01935-00538158-00538372 subtitle of the novel Tom Jones is a UxYAP4L1JO0-01936-00538373-00538643 foundling f-o-u-n-d-l-i-n UxYAP4L1JO0-01937-00538644-00539818 foreign UxYAP4L1JO0-01938-00539819-00539999 so he's found in the Cradle that's why UxYAP4L1JO0-01939-00540000-00540197 it's foundly just like he said duckling UxYAP4L1JO0-01940-00540198-00540503 right so he's found and nobody knows who UxYAP4L1JO0-01941-00540504-00540749 his father is until like a latter part UxYAP4L1JO0-01942-00540750-00540862 of the norm UxYAP4L1JO0-01943-00540863-00541097 so Tom Jones is a bastard UxYAP4L1JO0-01944-00541098-00541318 and there are people who are of noble UxYAP4L1JO0-01945-00541319-00541495 parentage for instance like bliffle UxYAP4L1JO0-01946-00541496-00541799 blifil so blephilis is all mischievous UxYAP4L1JO0-01947-00541800-00542083 despite being of a Nobi Parenthood UxYAP4L1JO0-01948-00542084-00542405 an anti-hero so Fielding wants to UxYAP4L1JO0-01949-00542406-00542633 portray that people with good parentage UxYAP4L1JO0-01950-00542634-00542891 can be vicious and people with you know UxYAP4L1JO0-01951-00542892-00543125 a bastardly appearance or from a low UxYAP4L1JO0-01952-00543126-00543341 life can be good throughout Tom Jones UxYAP4L1JO0-01953-00543342-00543551 she could see Partridge for instance UxYAP4L1JO0-01954-00543552-00543929 he's just a Layman but then Partridge is UxYAP4L1JO0-01955-00543930-00544181 very good by name so there are quite a UxYAP4L1JO0-01956-00544182-00544325 lot of characters who are commoners who UxYAP4L1JO0-01957-00544326-00544612 are good and uh you know high class UxYAP4L1JO0-01958-00544613-00545322 people who are terrible for miserable UxYAP4L1JO0-01959-00545323-00545579 as inherently good UxYAP4L1JO0-01960-00545580-00545843 by saying he is a bastard but by the UxYAP4L1JO0-01961-00545844-00546143 time he ends the novel Tom Jones belongs UxYAP4L1JO0-01962-00546144-00546316 to square alberti's family UxYAP4L1JO0-01963-00546317-00546533 so he's still playing along the British UxYAP4L1JO0-01964-00546534-00546683 standards because if I have a UxYAP4L1JO0-01965-00546684-00546887 stereotypical British leader UxYAP4L1JO0-01966-00546888-00547103 I would after all the disagreements that UxYAP4L1JO0-01967-00547104-00547259 I've had throughout the novel at the end UxYAP4L1JO0-01968-00547260-00547541 I would say yeah so all this afternoon UxYAP4L1JO0-01969-00547542-00547709 belonging to this particular community UxYAP4L1JO0-01970-00547710-00547949 so he'll definitely be good UxYAP4L1JO0-01971-00547950-00548183 so that's where Henry Fielding messes it UxYAP4L1JO0-01972-00548184-00549787 up entirely at the end particles UxYAP4L1JO0-01973-00549788-00550170 okay thank you so much UxYAP4L1JO0-01974-00550171-00550505 for your inputs in on this thank you so UxYAP4L1JO0-01975-00550506-00550799 much UxYAP4L1JO0-01976-00550800-00550966 not sure if the center would have a UxYAP4L1JO0-01977-00550967-00551170 session if we do get a session I'll be UxYAP4L1JO0-01978-00551171-00551362 happy to share this elaborately with you UxYAP4L1JO0-01979-00551363-00551561 at a later point of time yes Shreya I UxYAP4L1JO0-01980-00551562-00551801 could see your hands raised uh yeah I UxYAP4L1JO0-01981-00551802-00552064 just it was not clear what you talked UxYAP4L1JO0-01982-00552065-00552275 about women and politics could you just UxYAP4L1JO0-01983-00552276-00552497 elaborate that point a bit more from UxYAP4L1JO0-01984-00552498-00552622 introduction UxYAP4L1JO0-01985-00552623-00552947 uh I was talking about how Kamala I mean UxYAP4L1JO0-01986-00552948-00553139 what are the themes that comes abound in UxYAP4L1JO0-01987-00553140-00553445 kamla's writings so women and not UxYAP4L1JO0-01988-00553446-00553793 Politics as in uh you know the Congress UxYAP4L1JO0-01989-00553794-00554027 BJP thing but politics has engender UxYAP4L1JO0-01990-00554028-00554309 politics how women are subjugated and UxYAP4L1JO0-01991-00554310-00554555 how patriarchy tries to condition and UxYAP4L1JO0-01992-00554556-00554843 subjugate women so that is predominantly UxYAP4L1JO0-01993-00554844-00555131 no no the gender politics part I meant UxYAP4L1JO0-01994-00555132-00555287 like uh you were talking about this UxYAP4L1JO0-01995-00555288-00555425 point where UxYAP4L1JO0-01996-00555426-00555670 um nobody Associates uh women with UxYAP4L1JO0-01997-00555671-00556416 politics right UxYAP4L1JO0-01998-00556417-00556762 tries to say that the moment even though UxYAP4L1JO0-01999-00556763-00556931 I am a political even though I am not UxYAP4L1JO0-02000-00556932-00557183 involved with politics the moment I say UxYAP4L1JO0-02001-00557184-00557483 Politics the names that come to my mind UxYAP4L1JO0-02002-00557484-00557645 are of men UxYAP4L1JO0-02003-00557646-00557914 nehru for example but I can give you any UxYAP4L1JO0-02004-00557915-00558101 number of men currently I can talk to UxYAP4L1JO0-02005-00558102-00558287 you about pendrive is here but I can UxYAP4L1JO0-02006-00558288-00558491 talk to you about Narendra Modi but I UxYAP4L1JO0-02007-00558492-00558737 can talk to you about we muralid but I UxYAP4L1JO0-02008-00558738-00559620 can talk to you about Rahul Gandhi UxYAP4L1JO0-02009-00559621-00559903 and so on and so forth but then UxYAP4L1JO0-02010-00559904-00560170 says that back in those days when she UxYAP4L1JO0-02011-00560171-00560518 thinks about leaders they are all men UxYAP4L1JO0-02012-00560519-00560716 and it's not because women cannot be UxYAP4L1JO0-02013-00560717-00560855 leaders or women don't want to be UxYAP4L1JO0-02014-00560856-00561029 leaders but it's because of the power UxYAP4L1JO0-02015-00561030-00561341 politics that they engage in you may be UxYAP4L1JO0-02016-00561342-00561599 aware that until recently uh Parliament UxYAP4L1JO0-02017-00561600-00561814 didn't have sufficient amount of UxYAP4L1JO0-02018-00561815-00561989 equality in terms of women UxYAP4L1JO0-02019-00561990-00562120 representation UxYAP4L1JO0-02020-00562121-00562403 it is when 33 percentage of uh that UxYAP4L1JO0-02021-00562404-00562649 government representation was passed UxYAP4L1JO0-02022-00562650-00562889 that it got comparatively better UxYAP4L1JO0-02023-00562890-00563075 okay surinderjee I could see your hand UxYAP4L1JO0-02024-00563076-00564335 raised UxYAP4L1JO0-02025-00564336-00564557 is there a barrier coming up in the UxYAP4L1JO0-02026-00564558-00564899 thought she's actually just uh she knows UxYAP4L1JO0-02027-00564900-00565181 all the names but nobody Associates for UxYAP4L1JO0-02028-00565182-00565849 the talk of politics with women UxYAP4L1JO0-02029-00565850-00566218 is a privilege of men you use the word UxYAP4L1JO0-02030-00566219-00566483 there I did not catch that that time UxYAP4L1JO0-02031-00566484-00566693 that's why I'm so sorry I don't remember UxYAP4L1JO0-02032-00566694-00567107 that either but I think you said but I UxYAP4L1JO0-02033-00567108-00567268 did not I missed that word that's why I UxYAP4L1JO0-02034-00567269-00567491 was trying to ask okay so this is UxYAP4L1JO0-02035-00567492-00567761 exactly what I meant that is uh in that UxYAP4L1JO0-02036-00567762-00568001 poem later also this male dominance and UxYAP4L1JO0-02037-00568002-00568205 the conditioning comes up now so that's UxYAP4L1JO0-02038-00568206-00568433 what the issue is referring to when uh UxYAP4L1JO0-02039-00568434-00568595 right from everything personal is UxYAP4L1JO0-02040-00568596-00568805 political and you try to dominate us and UxYAP4L1JO0-02041-00568806-00568997 subjugate us that's the one line of all UxYAP4L1JO0-02042-00568998-00569221 that