Eu_jA9e4kkU-00000-00000071-00000223 this is going to be one of the most Eu_jA9e4kkU-00001-00000224-00000390 formulaic Eu_jA9e4kkU-00002-00000391-00000678 sections in calc 2. Eu_jA9e4kkU-00003-00000679-00000862 this is dealing with powers of sine and Eu_jA9e4kkU-00004-00000863-00001070 cosine this is one of those things that Eu_jA9e4kkU-00005-00001071-00001423 we're just following rules that's it Eu_jA9e4kkU-00006-00001424-00001623 these are the rules if i have the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00007-00001623-00001967 integral cosine to the j power of x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00008-00001968-00002287 times sine to the k power of x dx this Eu_jA9e4kkU-00009-00002288-00002463 is what we're going to do Eu_jA9e4kkU-00010-00002464-00002671 if only k is odd Eu_jA9e4kkU-00011-00002672-00002847 you're going to rewrite Eu_jA9e4kkU-00012-00002848-00003039 sine to the k power Eu_jA9e4kkU-00013-00003040-00003415 as sine to the k minus 1 of x times sine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00014-00003415-00003663 of x notice i wrote the 1 in there just Eu_jA9e4kkU-00015-00003664-00003879 so we could explicitly think about Eu_jA9e4kkU-00016-00003879-00004054 what's happening with the exponents in Eu_jA9e4kkU-00017-00004055-00004311 that case for that sine to the k minus Eu_jA9e4kkU-00018-00004312-00004606 1x we're going to use the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00019-00004607-00004886 formula sine squared x equals 1 minus Eu_jA9e4kkU-00020-00004887-00005079 cosine squared x that's our pythagorean Eu_jA9e4kkU-00021-00005080-00005254 identity and we're going to rewrite that Eu_jA9e4kkU-00022-00005255-00005431 in terms of cosine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00023-00005432-00005599 then we're going to go ahead and use the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00024-00005600-00005902 u substitution that u is cosine of x and Eu_jA9e4kkU-00025-00005903-00006215 d u is negative sine x dx Eu_jA9e4kkU-00026-00006216-00006510 if on the other hand only j is odd then Eu_jA9e4kkU-00027-00006511-00006703 instead of rewriting the sine we're Eu_jA9e4kkU-00028-00006704-00006910 going to rewrite cosine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00029-00006911-00007239 cosine to the j minus 1 of x times Eu_jA9e4kkU-00030-00007240-00007383 cosine of x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00031-00007384-00007574 and we're going to this time use cosine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00032-00007575-00007751 squared of x equaling 1 minus sine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00033-00007752-00008078 squared x to rewrite the cosine j minus Eu_jA9e4kkU-00034-00008079-00008383 1 in terms of sine and then our u Eu_jA9e4kkU-00035-00008384-00008759 substitution will be u equals sine x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00036-00008760-00009142 into u is cosine x d if both are odd you Eu_jA9e4kkU-00037-00009143-00009374 can do either one or two it does not Eu_jA9e4kkU-00038-00009375-00009559 matter it will work Eu_jA9e4kkU-00039-00009560-00009799 the only tricky part is if they're both Eu_jA9e4kkU-00040-00009800-00009999 even we're going to have to use the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00041-00010000-00010278 dreaded double angle formulas in order Eu_jA9e4kkU-00042-00010279-00010367 to Eu_jA9e4kkU-00043-00010368-00010719 put it in terms of an odd number so you Eu_jA9e4kkU-00044-00010720-00010927 can either use sine squared x equaling Eu_jA9e4kkU-00045-00010928-00011263 one half minus one half cosine 2x or the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00046-00011264-00011519 cosine squared x equaling one half plus Eu_jA9e4kkU-00047-00011520-00011814 one half cosine 2x notice that brings a Eu_jA9e4kkU-00048-00011815-00012151 sine squared or cosine squared into just Eu_jA9e4kkU-00049-00012152-00012487 a cosine so that brings our exponent Eu_jA9e4kkU-00050-00012488-00012703 down by one which will make one of them Eu_jA9e4kkU-00051-00012704-00012943 odd and then you're just going to go to Eu_jA9e4kkU-00052-00012944-00013166 step one or two Eu_jA9e4kkU-00053-00013168-00013399 all right let's do some quick examples Eu_jA9e4kkU-00054-00013400-00013647 let's start off with case number one Eu_jA9e4kkU-00055-00013647-00013999 let's do cosine to the eighth power of x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00056-00014000-00014311 times sine to the fifth power of x dx Eu_jA9e4kkU-00057-00014312-00014630 j is eight k is five we find that this Eu_jA9e4kkU-00058-00014631-00014983 is case one because the sine exponent is Eu_jA9e4kkU-00059-00014984-00015286 what's um odd so we rewrite sine to the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00060-00015287-00015599 fifth assigned to the fourth times sine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00061-00015600-00015807 sine to the fifth is then Eu_jA9e4kkU-00062-00015808-00016119 one minus cosine squared squared because Eu_jA9e4kkU-00063-00016119-00016311 again if that's sine squared in the Eu_jA9e4kkU-00064-00016312-00016558 parentheses to get to the fourth power Eu_jA9e4kkU-00065-00016559-00016791 we're going to square that Eu_jA9e4kkU-00066-00016792-00017047 and then we multiply it by sine x so Eu_jA9e4kkU-00067-00017048-00017222 let's go ahead and pop that back into Eu_jA9e4kkU-00068-00017223-00017447 our original equation Eu_jA9e4kkU-00069-00017448-00017814 don't forget to properly use um Eu_jA9e4kkU-00070-00017815-00018079 the method of multiplying a binomial Eu_jA9e4kkU-00071-00018080-00018222 times itself Eu_jA9e4kkU-00072-00018223-00018599 and don't just try to distribute that to Eu_jA9e4kkU-00073-00018600-00018775 we'll get this Eu_jA9e4kkU-00074-00018776-00019063 and then if we use our part c Eu_jA9e4kkU-00075-00019064-00019294 we use the substitution that u is equal Eu_jA9e4kkU-00076-00019295-00019558 to cosine x and d u is equal to negative Eu_jA9e4kkU-00077-00019559-00019935 sine dx or since we only have sine dx Eu_jA9e4kkU-00078-00019936-00020111 that's negative du Eu_jA9e4kkU-00079-00020112-00020358 so we plug that in then we go ahead and Eu_jA9e4kkU-00080-00020359-00020639 distribute that u to the eighth power Eu_jA9e4kkU-00081-00020640-00020830 and now we're left with a pretty Eu_jA9e4kkU-00082-00020831-00021039 reasonable integration Eu_jA9e4kkU-00083-00021040-00021263 when we go ahead and integrate we have Eu_jA9e4kkU-00084-00021264-00021471 that negative sign out front again Eu_jA9e4kkU-00085-00021472-00021727 that's from the taking the derivative of Eu_jA9e4kkU-00086-00021728-00021967 cosine x which is negative sine x so Eu_jA9e4kkU-00087-00021968-00022127 that's why we have that negative sign Eu_jA9e4kkU-00088-00022128-00022327 there with that d u Eu_jA9e4kkU-00089-00022328-00022567 and we're going to multiply that by 1 9 Eu_jA9e4kkU-00090-00022568-00022935 u to the ninth minus 2 11 u to the 11 Eu_jA9e4kkU-00091-00022936-00023263 plus 1 13 u to the 13th when we go ahead Eu_jA9e4kkU-00092-00023264-00023519 and distribute that negative sign and go Eu_jA9e4kkU-00093-00023520-00023719 back to our u substitution that u is Eu_jA9e4kkU-00094-00023720-00024103 equal to cosine x we get this as a final Eu_jA9e4kkU-00095-00024104-00024222 answer Eu_jA9e4kkU-00096-00024223-00024439 that's case one case two would be very Eu_jA9e4kkU-00097-00024440-00024567 similar Eu_jA9e4kkU-00098-00024568-00024742 case three is Eu_jA9e4kkU-00099-00024743-00024999 case one or case two but let's look at a Eu_jA9e4kkU-00100-00025000-00025263 what seems like a simple question for Eu_jA9e4kkU-00101-00025264-00025575 case number four where they're both even Eu_jA9e4kkU-00102-00025576-00025662 i'm going to pick a pretty Eu_jA9e4kkU-00103-00025663-00025878 straightforward one just the integral of Eu_jA9e4kkU-00104-00025879-00026134 sine squared x dx it's very interesting Eu_jA9e4kkU-00105-00026135-00026343 that this seems like a simple problem Eu_jA9e4kkU-00106-00026344-00026607 but we have not been able to solve this Eu_jA9e4kkU-00107-00026608-00026702 yet Eu_jA9e4kkU-00108-00026704-00026839 so now we can use Eu_jA9e4kkU-00109-00026839-00027007 what we know about our double angle Eu_jA9e4kkU-00110-00027008-00027318 formulas to help us so sine squared x is Eu_jA9e4kkU-00111-00027319-00027527 equal to one-half minus one-half cosine Eu_jA9e4kkU-00112-00027527-00027631 2x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00113-00027632-00027814 go ahead and plug that in Eu_jA9e4kkU-00114-00027816-00027967 and now this is actually a Eu_jA9e4kkU-00115-00027968-00028143 straightforward integration because we Eu_jA9e4kkU-00116-00028144-00028399 know how to integrate cosine of 2x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00117-00028400-00028735 that's equal to one-half sine of 2x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00118-00028736-00028974 and we go ahead and Eu_jA9e4kkU-00119-00028975-00029239 this one's pretty straightforward so if Eu_jA9e4kkU-00120-00029239-00029390 they're both even Eu_jA9e4kkU-00121-00029391-00029655 in this case cosine to the zero power Eu_jA9e4kkU-00122-00029656-00029879 zero is an even number Eu_jA9e4kkU-00123-00029880-00030102 we're using case number four and we Eu_jA9e4kkU-00124-00030103-00030383 didn't actually have to go back to case Eu_jA9e4kkU-00125-00030383-00030567 one or case two Eu_jA9e4kkU-00126-00030568-00030774 you will have situations if those this Eu_jA9e4kkU-00127-00030775-00031031 was for instance sine to the 4th power Eu_jA9e4kkU-00128-00031032-00031231 then we would have to do something in Eu_jA9e4kkU-00129-00031232-00031567 terms of case 1 in the case 2. Eu_jA9e4kkU-00130-00031568-00031655 now Eu_jA9e4kkU-00131-00031656-00031951 notice that in both of these cases Eu_jA9e4kkU-00132-00031952-00032158 the x's are the same but that doesn't Eu_jA9e4kkU-00133-00032160-00032399 always have to be the case i'm taking Eu_jA9e4kkU-00134-00032400-00032646 this right out of the open stacks book Eu_jA9e4kkU-00135-00032647-00032918 the volume 2 for calculus Eu_jA9e4kkU-00136-00032919-00033183 and this shows you that if we had Eu_jA9e4kkU-00137-00033184-00033335 different coefficients different Eu_jA9e4kkU-00138-00033336-00033599 numerical coefficients in front of the x Eu_jA9e4kkU-00139-00033600-00033918 in terms of sine and cosine they don't Eu_jA9e4kkU-00140-00033919-00034143 actually have to be the same we would be Eu_jA9e4kkU-00141-00034144-00034415 using different substitutions i'm not Eu_jA9e4kkU-00142-00034416-00034599 going to go through examples of this i Eu_jA9e4kkU-00143-00034600-00034790 don't have any homework on this but it Eu_jA9e4kkU-00144-00034791-00035039 would be exactly the same method why Eu_jA9e4kkU-00145-00035040-00035287 would we ever do this well if you wanted Eu_jA9e4kkU-00146-00035288-00035455 to get to Eu_jA9e4kkU-00147-00035456-00035774 signal processing quantum mechanics or Eu_jA9e4kkU-00148-00035775-00036079 fourier series you'd have to do things Eu_jA9e4kkU-00149-00036080-00036239 like this but Eu_jA9e4kkU-00150-00036240-00036383 chances are by time you get to those Eu_jA9e4kkU-00151-00036384-00036559 classes you will totally forgotten how Eu_jA9e4kkU-00152-00036560-00036774 to do this but just know that just like Eu_jA9e4kkU-00153-00036775-00037007 these other substitutions we have Eu_jA9e4kkU-00154-00037008-00037223 different substitutions to help us out Eu_jA9e4kkU-00155-00037224-00037631 in this situation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00000-00000367-00000511 welcome to this uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00001-00000512-00000790 sixth episode of our webinar series Ewu4nW_FtpU-00002-00000791-00001039 artificial intelligence and religion Ewu4nW_FtpU-00003-00001040-00001399 today's speaker is erica baffeli Ewu4nW_FtpU-00004-00001400-00001639 i will introduce her in a second please Ewu4nW_FtpU-00005-00001639-00001791 be reminded Ewu4nW_FtpU-00006-00001792-00002126 that we will record this webinar so if Ewu4nW_FtpU-00007-00002127-00002350 you do not want to be recorded Ewu4nW_FtpU-00008-00002351-00002655 just keep your cameras switched off and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00009-00002656-00002726 your mics Ewu4nW_FtpU-00010-00002727-00003055 muted anyway we would like to ask you to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00011-00003056-00003142 keep your Ewu4nW_FtpU-00012-00003143-00003335 mics muted and cameras switched off Ewu4nW_FtpU-00013-00003336-00003567 during the presentation and only switch Ewu4nW_FtpU-00014-00003568-00003590 it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00015-00003592-00003870 switch them on uh during discussion when Ewu4nW_FtpU-00016-00003871-00003967 you Ewu4nW_FtpU-00017-00003968-00004454 make a question um so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00018-00004455-00004815 yes welcome uh erica we're Ewu4nW_FtpU-00019-00004816-00005047 very glad to to to have you here in our Ewu4nW_FtpU-00020-00005048-00005175 uh webinar Ewu4nW_FtpU-00021-00005176-00005606 um eric aberfeldi is a senior lecturer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00022-00005607-00005806 in japanese studies at the university of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00023-00005807-00005959 manchester Ewu4nW_FtpU-00024-00005960-00006231 um before that she was a visiting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00025-00006232-00006334 researcher at Ewu4nW_FtpU-00026-00006335-00006598 jose university in tokyo and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00027-00006600-00006823 post-doctoral research fellow Ewu4nW_FtpU-00028-00006823-00007223 of the japan society for the promotion Ewu4nW_FtpU-00029-00007223-00007439 of science that should be japanese Ewu4nW_FtpU-00030-00007440-00007639 society for the promotion of science i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00031-00007640-00007774 guess Ewu4nW_FtpU-00032-00007775-00008055 and a lecturer a senior lecturer in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00033-00008056-00008223 asian religions at the university of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00034-00008224-00008351 otago Ewu4nW_FtpU-00035-00008352-00008671 new zealand her main research interests Ewu4nW_FtpU-00036-00008672-00008710 are Ewu4nW_FtpU-00037-00008711-00008959 in the contemporary yeah religion in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00038-00008960-00009078 contemporary Ewu4nW_FtpU-00039-00009079-00009487 japan with a focus on groups Ewu4nW_FtpU-00040-00009488-00009831 religious groups founded from the 1970s Ewu4nW_FtpU-00041-00009832-00009967 onwards Ewu4nW_FtpU-00042-00009968-00010191 let me just mention two of her recent Ewu4nW_FtpU-00043-00010192-00010367 book publications Ewu4nW_FtpU-00044-00010368-00010767 um the first one co-authored with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00045-00010768-00011142 ian reader dynamism and the aging of a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00046-00011143-00011238 japanese Ewu4nW_FtpU-00047-00011239-00011591 new religion published in 2019 Ewu4nW_FtpU-00048-00011592-00011903 by bloomsbury and media and new Ewu4nW_FtpU-00049-00011904-00012070 religions in japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00050-00012071-00012463 published by rautledge in 2016. Ewu4nW_FtpU-00051-00012464-00012742 um erica's title for today is the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00052-00012743-00012799 android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00053-00012800-00013071 and the facts ai and buddhism in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00054-00013072-00013255 contemporary japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00055-00013256-00013599 um erica the floor is yours Ewu4nW_FtpU-00056-00013600-00013791 you will have about 25 minutes then Ewu4nW_FtpU-00057-00013791-00013966 we'll have another 25 minutes for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00058-00013968-00014103 discussion Ewu4nW_FtpU-00059-00014104-00014358 yeah thank you um thank you very much to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00060-00014359-00014566 boris and tomorrow for inviting me and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00061-00014568-00014758 and to isa for organizing Ewu4nW_FtpU-00062-00014759-00015022 all the technical part of this meeting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00063-00015023-00015286 it's a pleasure to be here today Ewu4nW_FtpU-00064-00015287-00015503 and what i wanted to do was just to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00065-00015504-00015647 share a few Ewu4nW_FtpU-00066-00015647-00015975 uh comments and a few ideas about this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00067-00015976-00016343 uh android in a temple in in japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00068-00016344-00016599 and open up a discussion hopefully about Ewu4nW_FtpU-00069-00016600-00016767 how we can look at it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00070-00016768-00017015 and in a sense is more about looking at Ewu4nW_FtpU-00071-00017016-00017086 the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00072-00017087-00017343 future possibilities of ai more than Ewu4nW_FtpU-00073-00017344-00017503 what is actually happening Ewu4nW_FtpU-00074-00017504-00017743 at the moment because as we would see Ewu4nW_FtpU-00075-00017744-00017935 there is still quite a lot of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00076-00017936-00018230 um limitation of what our expectation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00077-00018231-00018399 and what is the reality Ewu4nW_FtpU-00078-00018400-00018679 of this interaction but i thought it was Ewu4nW_FtpU-00079-00018680-00018822 a good way to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00080-00018823-00019143 to start a discussion and hopefully Ewu4nW_FtpU-00081-00019144-00019414 receive also some further comment or Ewu4nW_FtpU-00082-00019415-00019471 list Ewu4nW_FtpU-00083-00019472-00019694 hear what you have to say about about Ewu4nW_FtpU-00084-00019695-00019879 that so i'm really looking forward for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00085-00019880-00020103 the discussion afterwards Ewu4nW_FtpU-00086-00020104-00020486 um so i try to share some slides and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00087-00020487-00020719 hopefully it will it will work Ewu4nW_FtpU-00088-00020720-00021022 uh and then i'll try to talk for about Ewu4nW_FtpU-00089-00021023-00021367 20 25 27 minutes it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00090-00021368-00021750 um and then um we can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00091-00021751-00022063 discuss it together so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00092-00022064-00022607 let's see if it works Ewu4nW_FtpU-00093-00022608-00022871 here it is i hope you are saying it can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00094-00022872-00022975 someone just say Ewu4nW_FtpU-00095-00022976-00023222 to your your you can see it because i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00096-00023223-00023527 cannot see you Ewu4nW_FtpU-00097-00023528-00023703 it's working and then it's working it's Ewu4nW_FtpU-00098-00023704-00023886 working yes Ewu4nW_FtpU-00099-00023887-00024199 i will start um so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00100-00024200-00024550 um in early morning of january 4th of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00101-00024551-00024647 this year so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00102-00024648-00024991 2020 but before in um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00103-00024992-00025167 everything we are leaving now happening Ewu4nW_FtpU-00104-00025168-00025335 so when we cursive travel Ewu4nW_FtpU-00105-00025336-00025614 i boarded a bullet train from tokyo to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00106-00025616-00025878 kyoto to visit the kodaiji Ewu4nW_FtpU-00107-00025879-00026127 with the temple of the rinzai schools Ewu4nW_FtpU-00108-00026127-00026199 and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00109-00026200-00026446 buddhist located in in kyoto in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00110-00026447-00026646 higashiyama district Ewu4nW_FtpU-00111-00026647-00027007 and established in 1606 Ewu4nW_FtpU-00112-00027008-00027295 so the remaining original uh structures Ewu4nW_FtpU-00113-00027295-00027495 of the temple are designed as important Ewu4nW_FtpU-00114-00027495-00027623 cultural properties Ewu4nW_FtpU-00115-00027624-00027943 in japan and kotaji is one of the major Ewu4nW_FtpU-00116-00027944-00028062 tourist attraction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00117-00028063-00028374 in kyoto this time though i was not Ewu4nW_FtpU-00118-00028375-00028639 there to visit the beautiful garden is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00119-00028639-00028807 actually one of my favorite temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00120-00028808-00029127 in into in kyoto or the building but Ewu4nW_FtpU-00121-00029127-00029390 i was there to listen to the sermon of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00122-00029391-00029527 an android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00123-00029527-00029846 call the full name is android canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00124-00029847-00029958 minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00125-00029960-00030383 uh in japanese is android o cannonda Ewu4nW_FtpU-00126-00030383-00030623 and but i'm going to call it minder in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00127-00030624-00030743 in this talk Ewu4nW_FtpU-00128-00030744-00031183 and minder was unveiled in february 2019 Ewu4nW_FtpU-00129-00031183-00031502 via press release by the android canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00130-00031503-00031639 production committee Ewu4nW_FtpU-00131-00031639-00031951 it was established in 2017. Ewu4nW_FtpU-00132-00031952-00032158 the robot is the result of a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00133-00032160-00032502 collaboration between the temple kodaiji Ewu4nW_FtpU-00134-00032503-00032774 and uh ishiguro hiroshi which is one of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00135-00032775-00032918 the japan most famous Ewu4nW_FtpU-00136-00032919-00033215 roboticist and his professor at robotics Ewu4nW_FtpU-00137-00033216-00033431 at osaka university Ewu4nW_FtpU-00138-00033432-00033623 minder is the knight to represent the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00139-00033624-00034246 buddhist attack Ewu4nW_FtpU-00140-00034247-00034511 was worshipped across the buddhist world Ewu4nW_FtpU-00141-00034512-00034574 um in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00142-00034575-00034807 particular in the chapter 25 of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00143-00034808-00035023 lotus sutra commonly known Ewu4nW_FtpU-00144-00035024-00035335 in japan as a canon gyo illustrated the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00145-00035336-00035574 33 manifestation of canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00146-00035575-00035807 an universal savior who respond to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00147-00035808-00035983 humans cry for help Ewu4nW_FtpU-00148-00035984-00036190 and who assume different identities in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00149-00036191-00036343 different contexts Ewu4nW_FtpU-00150-00036344-00036623 canons can take any form and in in some Ewu4nW_FtpU-00151-00036624-00036751 droid form Ewu4nW_FtpU-00152-00036752-00037079 it can um the bodhisattva can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00153-00037080-00037423 move speak and it delivers ceremonies Ewu4nW_FtpU-00154-00037424-00037687 based on the heart sutra the hanyashinyo Ewu4nW_FtpU-00155-00037688-00037807 in japanese Ewu4nW_FtpU-00156-00037808-00038135 one of the most uh sutra in in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00157-00038136-00038318 in the japanese buddhist context in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00158-00038319-00038471 buddhist context Ewu4nW_FtpU-00159-00038472-00038902 so in um several discussion about a.i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00160-00038903-00039151 talk about the potentiality of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00161-00039152-00039462 ai in a sense to reinvigorate Ewu4nW_FtpU-00162-00039463-00039735 uh religious or revitalizing existing Ewu4nW_FtpU-00163-00039736-00039911 tradition and practice Ewu4nW_FtpU-00164-00039912-00040199 um in particular in in the case of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00165-00040200-00040262 minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00166-00040263-00040495 several media commentators talking about Ewu4nW_FtpU-00167-00040496-00040623 the possibility Ewu4nW_FtpU-00168-00040624-00040943 of minder to revitalize buddhism or ai Ewu4nW_FtpU-00169-00040944-00041127 to revitalize buddhism in japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00170-00041128-00041311 a tradition that in japan is often Ewu4nW_FtpU-00171-00041312-00041543 portrayed as antiquated or mainly Ewu4nW_FtpU-00172-00041544-00041671 focused on funeral Ewu4nW_FtpU-00173-00041672-00041999 rituals or in decline so what i wanted Ewu4nW_FtpU-00174-00042000-00042102 to look at Ewu4nW_FtpU-00175-00042103-00042415 was not much about the discussion of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00176-00042416-00042543 buddhism and ai Ewu4nW_FtpU-00177-00042544-00042862 but more about the practice so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00178-00042863-00043095 how this interaction with the android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00179-00043096-00043335 works what are the reaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00180-00043336-00043615 from the visitors and what were the idea Ewu4nW_FtpU-00181-00043616-00043735 of them Ewu4nW_FtpU-00182-00043736-00043935 the temple so the buddhist priests that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00183-00043936-00044118 decided to design Ewu4nW_FtpU-00184-00044119-00044351 uh this android and what they see as the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00185-00044352-00044535 future development Ewu4nW_FtpU-00186-00044536-00044815 um so in doing so with i think i want to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00187-00044816-00044935 just talk Ewu4nW_FtpU-00188-00044936-00045095 visit the end about the effective Ewu4nW_FtpU-00189-00045096-00045279 possibilities and pus Ewu4nW_FtpU-00190-00045280-00045590 of potentiality of of this uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00191-00045591-00045823 although not fully attainable at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00192-00045824-00046055 moment in particular regarding emotional Ewu4nW_FtpU-00193-00046056-00046311 connection between human and non-human Ewu4nW_FtpU-00194-00046312-00046655 actors or artificial human the jinzon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00195-00046656-00046743 engine Ewu4nW_FtpU-00196-00046744-00047030 uh and and it is impossible implication Ewu4nW_FtpU-00197-00047031-00047230 in reshaping the image of buddhists Ewu4nW_FtpU-00198-00047231-00047574 in in japan uh so before Ewu4nW_FtpU-00199-00047575-00047855 going into a more discussion reminder i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00200-00047856-00048055 think it's important to remember that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00201-00048056-00048327 it is not something totally new so the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00202-00048328-00048543 example of robots engage in religious Ewu4nW_FtpU-00203-00048544-00048735 practice and written in japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00204-00048736-00049046 there's been several other examples some Ewu4nW_FtpU-00205-00049047-00049274 are the early one a little bit more Ewu4nW_FtpU-00206-00049275-00049390 unsophisticated Ewu4nW_FtpU-00207-00049391-00049599 machine they're more similar to dole Ewu4nW_FtpU-00208-00049600-00049743 like the one you see on the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00209-00049744-00050127 left side that are robot monk at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00210-00050128-00050351 hotokuji temple and egypt Ewu4nW_FtpU-00211-00050352-00050599 and temple in the hyogo prefecture that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00212-00050600-00050767 when the visitors come in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00213-00050768-00051071 there is a sensor and the the robot will Ewu4nW_FtpU-00214-00051072-00051167 just start Ewu4nW_FtpU-00215-00051168-00051430 chanting the buddhist scripture so those Ewu4nW_FtpU-00216-00051432-00051535 type of machine Ewu4nW_FtpU-00217-00051536-00051782 are very similar to a kind of more Ewu4nW_FtpU-00218-00051783-00051935 modern innovation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00219-00051936-00052254 of devices uh devices they were for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00220-00052255-00052487 chanting prayer and invocations Ewu4nW_FtpU-00221-00052488-00052735 that that's been using in buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00222-00052736-00052919 temples before Ewu4nW_FtpU-00223-00052920-00053094 more recent there has been also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00224-00053095-00053294 different type of technology Ewu4nW_FtpU-00225-00053295-00053654 it in in some temple like the um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00226-00053655-00053863 the performance withdrawn and buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00227-00053864-00053999 status for example in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00228-00054000-00054311 in their yoga and in kyoto um other Ewu4nW_FtpU-00229-00054312-00054575 robots have been employed for funeral Ewu4nW_FtpU-00230-00054576-00054838 practices for example there is a roberts Ewu4nW_FtpU-00231-00054839-00054911 priest in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00232-00054912-00055247 in yokohama already since the 1990s Ewu4nW_FtpU-00233-00055248-00055511 that is programmed to deliver a prayer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00234-00055512-00055694 in different religious traditions so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00235-00055695-00055750 seven Ewu4nW_FtpU-00236-00055751-00055999 buddhist acts shinto christian Ewu4nW_FtpU-00237-00056000-00056135 denomination Ewu4nW_FtpU-00238-00056136-00056375 and these represent more if you want a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00239-00056376-00056647 digital form of ancestral worship Ewu4nW_FtpU-00240-00056648-00056854 introduced already as i say from from Ewu4nW_FtpU-00241-00056855-00057063 the 90s in some temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00242-00057064-00057271 what received a lot of attention more Ewu4nW_FtpU-00243-00057272-00057407 recently was Ewu4nW_FtpU-00244-00057408-00057766 what you see on the on the right in 2007 Ewu4nW_FtpU-00245-00057767-00058030 pepper uh which is one of them probably Ewu4nW_FtpU-00246-00058032-00058094 more Ewu4nW_FtpU-00247-00058095-00058342 well-known robots in in japan the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00248-00058344-00058511 softbank pepper Ewu4nW_FtpU-00249-00058512-00058830 uh which were presented as dressed in in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00250-00058832-00058942 buddhism Ewu4nW_FtpU-00251-00058944-00059135 reading buddhist scripture chanting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00252-00059136-00059303 prayer and tapping drum Ewu4nW_FtpU-00253-00059304-00059607 as part of a funeral ceremonies Ewu4nW_FtpU-00254-00059608-00059879 the other big discussion in the media in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00255-00059879-00060119 particular has been funeral literal in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00256-00060120-00060215 japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00257-00060216-00060599 there are done for um in animated object Ewu4nW_FtpU-00258-00060600-00060871 included personal computer or robots and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00259-00060872-00061230 one of the main example was in 2015 Ewu4nW_FtpU-00260-00061232-00061542 the funeral uh performance for the ibo Ewu4nW_FtpU-00261-00061544-00061623 the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00262-00061624-00062006 sony um the sony dog robots when they Ewu4nW_FtpU-00263-00062007-00062150 were dismissed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00264-00062151-00062487 um that the spare parts were reused to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00265-00062488-00062575 repair Ewu4nW_FtpU-00266-00062576-00062894 the old eyeball and in 2015 a funerary Ewu4nW_FtpU-00267-00062895-00062991 service were Ewu4nW_FtpU-00268-00062991-00063279 19 dismissed robert was firstly Ewu4nW_FtpU-00269-00063279-00063342 performed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00270-00063344-00063663 in a 10 point shiva prefecture so in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00271-00063664-00063782 this sense mind Ewu4nW_FtpU-00272-00063783-00064038 represent a more recent developer but in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00273-00064039-00064287 line with previous example of temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00274-00064288-00064375 using Ewu4nW_FtpU-00275-00064376-00064711 new form of technology and and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00276-00064712-00065063 to perform ritual or to attract new new Ewu4nW_FtpU-00277-00065064-00065175 visitors Ewu4nW_FtpU-00278-00065176-00065415 uh and often built with significant Ewu4nW_FtpU-00279-00065416-00065599 financial investment by Ewu4nW_FtpU-00280-00065600-00065903 enthusiastic priests however compared Ewu4nW_FtpU-00281-00065904-00066111 with the previous example minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00282-00066112-00066431 role is not limited to be a support of a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00283-00066432-00066487 priest Ewu4nW_FtpU-00284-00066488-00066831 in the regular activity such as pepper Ewu4nW_FtpU-00285-00066832-00067023 presented as supporting the priest Ewu4nW_FtpU-00286-00067024-00067159 during the funeral Ewu4nW_FtpU-00287-00067160-00067455 but is being pre or or more as an Ewu4nW_FtpU-00288-00067456-00067550 ingenious Ewu4nW_FtpU-00289-00067551-00067791 uh prayer chanting device to attract Ewu4nW_FtpU-00290-00067792-00067887 visitor Ewu4nW_FtpU-00291-00067888-00068150 but is presented as canon itself uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00292-00068151-00068238 therefore Ewu4nW_FtpU-00293-00068239-00068455 is the idea is to create a particular Ewu4nW_FtpU-00294-00068456-00068655 experience and emotional reaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00295-00068656-00068935 in for its viewers so before then Ewu4nW_FtpU-00296-00068936-00069015 discussing Ewu4nW_FtpU-00297-00069016-00069359 in detail uh i i want to describe a bit Ewu4nW_FtpU-00298-00069360-00069494 the experience of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00299-00069495-00069767 meeting committing minder because i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00300-00069768-00069926 think that is one of the key to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00301-00069927-00070206 understand what could be the future uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00302-00070207-00070382 development of this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00303-00070383-00070687 um of the android or or Ewu4nW_FtpU-00304-00070688-00070999 these kind of devices so when i arrive Ewu4nW_FtpU-00305-00071000-00071182 at the temple first of all it took Ewu4nW_FtpU-00306-00071183-00071487 me oh i think the other final thing is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00307-00071488-00071679 of course i'm not also talking about Ewu4nW_FtpU-00308-00071680-00071823 uniqueness of japan Ewu4nW_FtpU-00309-00071824-00072143 in using uh robots in in religious Ewu4nW_FtpU-00310-00072144-00072350 context there are other examples in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00311-00072351-00072615 in other places like you know that the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00312-00072616-00072767 chinese one Ewu4nW_FtpU-00313-00072768-00073023 on the left or new type of robots Ewu4nW_FtpU-00314-00073024-00073119 developed by Ewu4nW_FtpU-00315-00073120-00073399 a a a researcher in japan in waseda Ewu4nW_FtpU-00316-00073400-00073535 university but Ewu4nW_FtpU-00317-00073536-00073806 the one on the left side on the right Ewu4nW_FtpU-00318-00073807-00073911 photo is called Ewu4nW_FtpU-00319-00073912-00074311 santos is a small robot for a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00320-00074312-00074615 on on catholic uh science images Ewu4nW_FtpU-00321-00074616-00074782 so there are of course other other Ewu4nW_FtpU-00322-00074783-00075015 example in other contexts Ewu4nW_FtpU-00323-00075016-00075238 but let's go back to minder uh so it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00324-00075239-00075438 took me a while to to locate Ewu4nW_FtpU-00325-00075439-00075871 uh the hall and as you can probably see Ewu4nW_FtpU-00326-00075872-00075967 from from my Ewu4nW_FtpU-00327-00075968-00076199 um facing the photo i was a bit Ewu4nW_FtpU-00328-00076200-00076367 skeptical at the beginning Ewu4nW_FtpU-00329-00076368-00076559 and there was a lot of student students Ewu4nW_FtpU-00330-00076560-00076775 queuing up to enter in the main temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00331-00076776-00076823 but Ewu4nW_FtpU-00332-00076824-00077135 i only around 10 visitors were in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00333-00077136-00077215 hall Ewu4nW_FtpU-00334-00077216-00077519 uh with the androids um and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00335-00077520-00077815 everybody can enter the hall and and see Ewu4nW_FtpU-00336-00077816-00077879 and say Ewu4nW_FtpU-00337-00077880-00078143 uh minder but when the performance is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00338-00078144-00078238 about to start Ewu4nW_FtpU-00339-00078239-00078447 everybody's invited to leave and only Ewu4nW_FtpU-00340-00078448-00078703 the registered people can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00341-00078704-00079038 stay registration is free but you need Ewu4nW_FtpU-00342-00079039-00079311 to book by a fax the only way to book Ewu4nW_FtpU-00343-00079312-00079415 your visit Ewu4nW_FtpU-00344-00079416-00079638 uh of course i don't have a fax machine Ewu4nW_FtpU-00345-00079639-00079806 anymore so i was Ewu4nW_FtpU-00346-00079807-00080175 allowed to book by uh phone Ewu4nW_FtpU-00347-00080176-00080479 so minder just you can see well um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00348-00080480-00080711 in in it this is how we look like is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00349-00080712-00080982 around 195 centimeter tall Ewu4nW_FtpU-00350-00080983-00081287 with silicon head and hand but the rest Ewu4nW_FtpU-00351-00081288-00081311 of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00352-00081312-00081623 of the body is the liberty life to look Ewu4nW_FtpU-00353-00081624-00081694 like Ewu4nW_FtpU-00354-00081695-00081982 a machine um when visitor entered the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00355-00081983-00082031 room Ewu4nW_FtpU-00356-00082032-00082287 minder welcomed and with open arms and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00357-00082288-00082447 rotating the body Ewu4nW_FtpU-00358-00082448-00082687 and it really feels like and this came Ewu4nW_FtpU-00359-00082688-00082887 up in a lot of the comments i had Ewu4nW_FtpU-00360-00082888-00083118 access to from from the visitor looking Ewu4nW_FtpU-00361-00083119-00083199 at the visitor Ewu4nW_FtpU-00362-00083200-00083518 in the eyes so the the important aspect Ewu4nW_FtpU-00363-00083519-00083662 that everybody talk about Ewu4nW_FtpU-00364-00083663-00083903 is the the gaze the eyes while Ewu4nW_FtpU-00365-00083904-00084055 transmission a sense of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00366-00084056-00084238 trying to transmit a sense of calm and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00367-00084239-00084455 serenity so at the beginning of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00368-00084456-00084503 event Ewu4nW_FtpU-00369-00084504-00084847 a staff member will introduce us the um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00370-00084848-00085135 reminder saying that she always referred Ewu4nW_FtpU-00371-00085136-00085215 to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00372-00085216-00085438 canon as a she but then she was told Ewu4nW_FtpU-00373-00085439-00085535 that it was Ewu4nW_FtpU-00374-00085536-00085911 uh she had to use the pronoun Ewu4nW_FtpU-00375-00085912-00086159 but then as an android we can we are Ewu4nW_FtpU-00376-00086160-00086479 free to imagine canon as we prefer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00377-00086480-00086679 so she invite the visitor to listen to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00378-00086680-00086862 the teaching and remind us Ewu4nW_FtpU-00379-00086863-00087159 you know we cannot take photo and then Ewu4nW_FtpU-00380-00087160-00087247 um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00381-00087248-00087518 that the performance is about 25 minutes Ewu4nW_FtpU-00382-00087519-00087615 long Ewu4nW_FtpU-00383-00087616-00087823 at the beginning a recorded voice Ewu4nW_FtpU-00384-00087824-00088079 invited us to look at a fixed point if Ewu4nW_FtpU-00385-00088080-00088182 we feel dizzy Ewu4nW_FtpU-00386-00088183-00088494 and to leave the room if we feel unwell Ewu4nW_FtpU-00387-00088495-00088847 then the room turned dark and the images Ewu4nW_FtpU-00388-00088848-00089038 started appearing on the wall Ewu4nW_FtpU-00389-00089039-00089343 only the android is illuminated and that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00390-00089344-00089559 as the main performance on the stage Ewu4nW_FtpU-00391-00089560-00089799 there are several videos online that if Ewu4nW_FtpU-00392-00089800-00090071 you want to go and and see it i didn't Ewu4nW_FtpU-00393-00090072-00090199 want to risk Ewu4nW_FtpU-00394-00090200-00090447 creating a problem with the presentation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00395-00090448-00090518 and edited Ewu4nW_FtpU-00396-00090519-00090791 today but they are available on online Ewu4nW_FtpU-00397-00090792-00090887 if you want to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00398-00090888-00091038 see what kind of feeling you have in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00399-00091039-00091206 entering the room Ewu4nW_FtpU-00400-00091207-00091550 so reminder start it so this is how it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00401-00091551-00091775 looks like at the beginning and then Ewu4nW_FtpU-00402-00091776-00091943 that that when they start Ewu4nW_FtpU-00403-00091944-00092255 their talk so you start this speech by Ewu4nW_FtpU-00404-00092256-00092462 explaining that canon two different Ewu4nW_FtpU-00405-00092463-00092718 formats can appear in any form and now Ewu4nW_FtpU-00406-00092719-00092999 is the current one is being is the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00407-00093000-00093143 android form Ewu4nW_FtpU-00408-00093144-00093374 it focuses then on on both this teaching Ewu4nW_FtpU-00409-00093375-00093574 especially the idea of impermanence and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00410-00093575-00093679 compassion Ewu4nW_FtpU-00411-00093680-00093943 and soup and then after that suffering Ewu4nW_FtpU-00412-00093944-00094031 is discussed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00413-00094032-00094206 quite in-depth explaining that on Ewu4nW_FtpU-00414-00094207-00094438 android is closer to buddhahood Ewu4nW_FtpU-00415-00094439-00094638 because it doesn't have attachment and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00416-00094639-00094855 i'm quoting from minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00417-00094856-00095079 as an android i never seek a constant Ewu4nW_FtpU-00418-00095080-00095279 element that does not change in this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00419-00095280-00095399 fleeting world Ewu4nW_FtpU-00420-00095400-00095599 in addition i'm not burdened with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00421-00095600-00095711 selfish concept Ewu4nW_FtpU-00422-00095712-00096023 like i mean mine as an android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00423-00096024-00096271 one might say i can easily fulfill the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00424-00096272-00096447 buddha's teaching of emptiness Ewu4nW_FtpU-00425-00096448-00096767 in the present age what do you think Ewu4nW_FtpU-00426-00096768-00096982 however a later on minder was also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00427-00096983-00097143 explained that as a robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00428-00097144-00097382 they have limitation and they're limited Ewu4nW_FtpU-00429-00097383-00097574 by the fact that he cannot feel this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00430-00097575-00097638 suffering Ewu4nW_FtpU-00431-00097639-00097887 and he cannot have a sympathetic heart Ewu4nW_FtpU-00432-00097888-00098103 as human as the human being Ewu4nW_FtpU-00433-00098104-00098374 so the event will then end with minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00434-00098375-00098606 chanting the heart sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00435-00098607-00098823 so minder is part of a multimedia Ewu4nW_FtpU-00436-00098824-00098918 performance Ewu4nW_FtpU-00437-00098919-00099223 the ceremonies that com is accompanied Ewu4nW_FtpU-00438-00099224-00099255 by Ewu4nW_FtpU-00439-00099256-00099550 projection mapping of images uh that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00440-00099551-00099599 they are Ewu4nW_FtpU-00441-00099600-00099823 if they move in sync with with the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00442-00099824-00099911 android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00443-00099912-00100126 uh their images are illustrated the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00444-00100127-00100374 teaching and project the character of of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00445-00100375-00100599 the sutra during the recitation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00446-00100600-00100847 and what is interesting are the images Ewu4nW_FtpU-00447-00100848-00100967 of this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00448-00100968-00101231 audience virtual audience that is done Ewu4nW_FtpU-00449-00101232-00101415 recorded by the staff member Ewu4nW_FtpU-00450-00101416-00101718 of the temple and our projector in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00451-00101719-00101806 whole and the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00452-00101807-00102055 android interact with them by moving in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00453-00102056-00102279 the direction of the virtual participant Ewu4nW_FtpU-00454-00102280-00102551 who are asking questions so this is a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00455-00102552-00102806 stage dialogue an interaction reminder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00456-00102807-00103047 the participants show how they move from Ewu4nW_FtpU-00457-00103048-00103318 ignorance to understanding of buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00458-00103319-00103406 teaching Ewu4nW_FtpU-00459-00103407-00103630 and in the in the press announcement of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00460-00103631-00103742 uh february Ewu4nW_FtpU-00461-00103743-00104078 23rd 2019 is explained that the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00462-00104079-00104390 aim of the dialogue is to create uh to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00463-00104391-00104534 enhance the presence Ewu4nW_FtpU-00464-00104535-00104878 of uh create a greater sense of presence Ewu4nW_FtpU-00465-00104879-00105047 of the android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00466-00105048-00105295 uh although it's pre-recorded the stage Ewu4nW_FtpU-00467-00105296-00105534 there are that the experience is very Ewu4nW_FtpU-00468-00105535-00105854 very immersive and the gaze the the eyes Ewu4nW_FtpU-00469-00105855-00106063 of the android at least for a few Ewu4nW_FtpU-00470-00106064-00106231 moments give the impression that he's Ewu4nW_FtpU-00471-00106232-00106502 actually engaging with the audience Ewu4nW_FtpU-00472-00106503-00106790 and during our interview uh as well as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00473-00106791-00106847 other Ewu4nW_FtpU-00474-00106848-00107166 um interviewing in the press release Ewu4nW_FtpU-00475-00107167-00107495 goto who is the kodaiji head priest Ewu4nW_FtpU-00476-00107496-00107807 explain his long long lasting interest Ewu4nW_FtpU-00477-00107808-00108166 and and his dream for ai to create Ewu4nW_FtpU-00478-00108167-00108383 important spiritual figures such as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00479-00108383-00108615 shakyamuni or jesus to give people the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00480-00108616-00108990 opportunity to interact with with them Ewu4nW_FtpU-00481-00108991-00109278 so they they say what he i quote what he Ewu4nW_FtpU-00482-00109279-00109478 said rested android and artificial Ewu4nW_FtpU-00483-00109479-00109671 intelligent technology has given me a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00484-00109672-00109799 glimmer of hope Ewu4nW_FtpU-00485-00109800-00109999 that this desire could be realized Ewu4nW_FtpU-00486-00110000-00110119 afterwards Ewu4nW_FtpU-00487-00110120-00110351 our ultimate goal is to reproduce Ewu4nW_FtpU-00488-00110352-00110486 siddhartha goldsmith Ewu4nW_FtpU-00489-00110488-00110710 and and other eminent figures as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00490-00110711-00110799 androids Ewu4nW_FtpU-00491-00110800-00111071 as to hear their word directly so this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00492-00111072-00111254 will be his final goal Ewu4nW_FtpU-00493-00111255-00111495 uh explain that he wanted minder to look Ewu4nW_FtpU-00494-00111496-00111695 as less human as possible Ewu4nW_FtpU-00495-00111696-00111910 but eventually he compromised on the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00496-00111911-00112015 face and hand Ewu4nW_FtpU-00497-00112016-00112271 pain made in silicon as a way to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00498-00112272-00112471 encourage viewers to connect with the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00499-00112472-00112566 android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00500-00112567-00112799 as recommended by the team lead by Ewu4nW_FtpU-00501-00112800-00112966 professor ishiguro so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00502-00112967-00113263 what the the head priestess is saying is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00503-00113264-00113375 actually what is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00504-00113376-00113543 came up with his discussion with the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00505-00113544-00113678 roboticist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00506-00113679-00113934 and this is something that several Ewu4nW_FtpU-00507-00113935-00114143 roboticists pointed out that the law Ewu4nW_FtpU-00508-00114144-00114302 building androids and much more Ewu4nW_FtpU-00509-00114303-00114478 expensive to build in other Ewu4nW_FtpU-00510-00114479-00114783 non-humanoids robots is important it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00511-00114783-00114934 creates a very difficult Ewu4nW_FtpU-00512-00114935-00115102 different emotional connection and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00513-00115103-00115327 reaction on on people Ewu4nW_FtpU-00514-00115328-00115575 um and they you know that the fact they Ewu4nW_FtpU-00515-00115576-00115654 look more as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00516-00115655-00116063 as human being and um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00517-00116064-00116334 also what uh the priest explained that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00518-00116335-00116375 this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00519-00116376-00116766 uh as but still have in a mind or still Ewu4nW_FtpU-00520-00116767-00116966 have a machine body and that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00521-00116967-00117351 face gesture are there the aim was to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00522-00117352-00117423 make it as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00523-00117424-00117686 as non-gender specific as possible Ewu4nW_FtpU-00524-00117688-00117927 although they again they compromise on Ewu4nW_FtpU-00525-00117928-00118215 the voice the sound is rather feminine Ewu4nW_FtpU-00526-00118216-00118478 um goto's decision regarding minder are Ewu4nW_FtpU-00527-00118479-00118607 also explaining Ewu4nW_FtpU-00528-00118608-00118910 again in in his interview say that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00529-00118911-00119143 minder were no religious clothing or Ewu4nW_FtpU-00530-00119144-00119358 there are no religious articles so this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00531-00119359-00119575 is because we did not create an image of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00532-00119576-00119775 canon out of a robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00533-00119776-00120023 rather canon has transformed into a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00534-00120024-00120134 robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00535-00120135-00120351 it was necessary that the entire figure Ewu4nW_FtpU-00536-00120352-00120502 to be a machine Ewu4nW_FtpU-00537-00120503-00120734 so that was how they he explained his Ewu4nW_FtpU-00538-00120735-00121014 decision so it was if he doesn't see Ewu4nW_FtpU-00539-00121015-00121254 minder is just the statue but as canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00540-00121255-00121447 itself Ewu4nW_FtpU-00541-00121448-00121671 so in his opinion as canon appeared Ewu4nW_FtpU-00542-00121672-00121823 before in different forms Ewu4nW_FtpU-00543-00121824-00122054 which is not just his opinion such as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00544-00122055-00122207 painting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00545-00122208-00122510 different other manifestation nowadays Ewu4nW_FtpU-00546-00122511-00122871 ai could be brought a tool and a hoben a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00547-00122872-00123054 skillful man to transmit buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00548-00123055-00123175 teaching Ewu4nW_FtpU-00549-00123176-00123343 although he doesn't go as far as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00550-00123344-00123623 claiming a special relationship between Ewu4nW_FtpU-00551-00123624-00123871 ai and buddhism he does mention the idea Ewu4nW_FtpU-00552-00123872-00124134 that the android is creating a new deity Ewu4nW_FtpU-00553-00124135-00124366 rather than a new human Ewu4nW_FtpU-00554-00124367-00124654 so goto's aspiration would be to develop Ewu4nW_FtpU-00555-00124655-00124871 the android and became able to teach Ewu4nW_FtpU-00556-00124872-00125134 buddhists independently uh despite the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00557-00125135-00125319 current limitation to the project there Ewu4nW_FtpU-00558-00125320-00125495 are first of all also financial Ewu4nW_FtpU-00559-00125496-00125583 limitation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00560-00125583-00125863 of the cost association with maintain Ewu4nW_FtpU-00561-00125864-00126127 maintenance and developing it further Ewu4nW_FtpU-00562-00126128-00126423 but in his opinion uh as minder cannot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00563-00126424-00126495 die Ewu4nW_FtpU-00564-00126496-00126743 his successor can keep inputting new Ewu4nW_FtpU-00565-00126744-00126847 teaching in minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00566-00126848-00127127 until eventually it would become Ewu4nW_FtpU-00567-00127128-00127343 independent and be able to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00568-00127344-00127583 give the teaching and interact without Ewu4nW_FtpU-00569-00127583-00127734 the input Ewu4nW_FtpU-00570-00127735-00127990 um god also sees very clear the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00571-00127991-00128158 educational potential Ewu4nW_FtpU-00572-00128159-00128486 on on the reminder to encourage younger Ewu4nW_FtpU-00573-00128488-00128639 generations he says Ewu4nW_FtpU-00574-00128640-00128934 in particular children to get closer to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00575-00128935-00129063 buddhism Ewu4nW_FtpU-00576-00129064-00129319 and this was one also included in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00577-00129320-00129519 original briefing that the temple gave Ewu4nW_FtpU-00578-00129520-00129743 to the verbosity is that they wanted to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00579-00129744-00129847 make Ewu4nW_FtpU-00580-00129848-00130047 buddhist scripture and doctrine easy to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00581-00130048-00130310 understand and accessible to everybody Ewu4nW_FtpU-00582-00130311-00130590 including a young student from midland Ewu4nW_FtpU-00583-00130591-00130719 high school Ewu4nW_FtpU-00584-00130720-00130975 so minder therefore is not the only Ewu4nW_FtpU-00585-00130976-00131207 first android canon but the first Ewu4nW_FtpU-00586-00131208-00131447 canon delivering salmon directly to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00587-00131448-00131743 visitors that was the idea Ewu4nW_FtpU-00588-00131744-00131975 uh the sermons are delivering a language Ewu4nW_FtpU-00589-00131976-00132190 that speaks to mother people and the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00590-00132191-00132287 heart sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00591-00132288-00132487 often presented as as a difficult Ewu4nW_FtpU-00592-00132488-00132719 digital text is explained in a simple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00593-00132720-00132847 and straightforward Ewu4nW_FtpU-00594-00132848-00133095 way to make it accessible and relevant Ewu4nW_FtpU-00595-00133096-00133335 to people living in today's world Ewu4nW_FtpU-00596-00133336-00133575 the haniya shingo the heart sutra is a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00597-00133576-00133807 popular sutra in mahayana tradition Ewu4nW_FtpU-00598-00133808-00134031 and considers the less than 300 chinese Ewu4nW_FtpU-00599-00134032-00134127 character Ewu4nW_FtpU-00600-00134128-00134343 but despite his brevity condensed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00601-00134344-00134495 important buddhist concept Ewu4nW_FtpU-00602-00134496-00134839 in particular regarding emptiness uh and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00603-00134840-00135078 in in japanese that the the sutra is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00604-00135079-00135223 performed across the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00605-00135224-00135414 buddhist tradition but is also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00606-00135415-00135623 associated with ritual practices as a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00607-00135624-00135711 pilgrimage Ewu4nW_FtpU-00608-00135712-00136127 and the practice of copying the sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00609-00136128-00136423 for acquiring merit is also discussed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00610-00136424-00136599 regularly in pre-sermon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00611-00136600-00136814 countless commentary and also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00612-00136815-00136966 popularizing a lot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00613-00136967-00137254 of popular explanatory books about the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00614-00137255-00137343 sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00615-00137344-00137575 in rest in the year if you are more Ewu4nW_FtpU-00616-00137576-00137775 familiar with japanese pop culture Ewu4nW_FtpU-00617-00137776-00138102 is also became quite popular uh in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00618-00138103-00138423 social media because of uh computer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00619-00138424-00138575 generation performance Ewu4nW_FtpU-00620-00138576-00138799 of of the heart sutra performed by the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00621-00138800-00139111 vocaloid hatsune mikko singing the sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00622-00139112-00139375 so the sermon so the use of the of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00623-00139376-00139454 har sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00624-00139455-00139711 is making it accessible is actually Ewu4nW_FtpU-00625-00139712-00139759 again Ewu4nW_FtpU-00626-00139760-00139943 part of an established tradition of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00627-00139944-00140119 performance commentary Ewu4nW_FtpU-00628-00140120-00140366 an explanatory of the sutra by buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00629-00140367-00140454 temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00630-00140455-00140695 as well of recent and even previous Ewu4nW_FtpU-00631-00140696-00140895 rediscovering popularization Ewu4nW_FtpU-00632-00140896-00141278 of interest in the sutra and his message Ewu4nW_FtpU-00633-00141279-00141463 but the possibility the pedagogical Ewu4nW_FtpU-00634-00141464-00141678 possibility offered by mandar are also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00635-00141679-00141902 based on the idea of direct transmission Ewu4nW_FtpU-00636-00141903-00142143 of the teaching without the mediation of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00637-00142144-00142335 of the priest so this idea that in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00638-00142336-00142414 future Ewu4nW_FtpU-00639-00142415-00142687 minder can just talk and and and give Ewu4nW_FtpU-00640-00142688-00142839 advice without Ewu4nW_FtpU-00641-00142840-00143111 uh having that the priest uh as a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00642-00143112-00143254 mediator Ewu4nW_FtpU-00643-00143255-00143551 but before uh looking in you know to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00644-00143552-00143735 discuss this is also i think important Ewu4nW_FtpU-00645-00143736-00143935 to look a bit into the reaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00646-00143936-00144190 of of the audience so what how how the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00647-00144191-00144359 visitor react reminder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00648-00144360-00144614 and its performance to look at this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00649-00144615-00144775 connection so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00650-00144776-00145135 uh some of the before going in in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00651-00145136-00145311 final part so just looking Ewu4nW_FtpU-00652-00145312-00145559 uh a few comments and according to the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00653-00145560-00145639 temple stuff Ewu4nW_FtpU-00654-00145640-00145902 minder has received mixed response from Ewu4nW_FtpU-00655-00145903-00146023 from visiting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00656-00146024-00146223 uh including some brew displays so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00657-00146224-00146423 ranging from people crying during the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00658-00146424-00146519 sermon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00659-00146520-00146839 people trying to touch a minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00660-00146840-00147087 to to have a connection and to people Ewu4nW_FtpU-00661-00147088-00147207 being very critical Ewu4nW_FtpU-00662-00147208-00147454 or they're not really inappropriate for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00663-00147455-00147590 an android to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00664-00147591-00147854 preach in a center they come i had Ewu4nW_FtpU-00665-00147855-00147966 access to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00666-00147967-00148190 three months of feedback uh at the very Ewu4nW_FtpU-00667-00148191-00148351 beginning left from the first group of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00668-00148352-00148447 visitors Ewu4nW_FtpU-00669-00148448-00148711 and they tended to be quite positive a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00670-00148712-00148799 lot of them Ewu4nW_FtpU-00671-00148800-00149071 uh connect looking at the was impressed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00672-00149072-00149263 by the feature of the android in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00673-00149264-00149447 particular the movement of the eyes of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00674-00149448-00149551 the face Ewu4nW_FtpU-00675-00149552-00149823 when a movie felt like it was alive the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00676-00149824-00149999 eyes and the mouth move like Ewu4nW_FtpU-00677-00150000-00150231 a human being are some of the comments Ewu4nW_FtpU-00678-00150232-00150414 which give the impression that the robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00679-00150415-00150526 is interacting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00680-00150527-00150854 with them other visitors uh uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00681-00150855-00151095 focus quite a lot on the emotion they Ewu4nW_FtpU-00682-00151096-00151159 felt Ewu4nW_FtpU-00683-00151160-00151366 during the performance how the android Ewu4nW_FtpU-00684-00151367-00151471 look kind Ewu4nW_FtpU-00685-00151472-00151671 and the warm feeling they felt during Ewu4nW_FtpU-00686-00151672-00151807 the sermon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00687-00151808-00151983 interesting for some of them those Ewu4nW_FtpU-00688-00151984-00152119 feelings are quite Ewu4nW_FtpU-00689-00152120-00152335 surprising because they say they were Ewu4nW_FtpU-00690-00152336-00152526 really skeptical at the beginning Ewu4nW_FtpU-00691-00152527-00152719 they thought an android didn't have a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00692-00152720-00153014 soul so many so they are now assuming it Ewu4nW_FtpU-00693-00153015-00153175 actually does have Ewu4nW_FtpU-00694-00153176-00153375 many viewers are captivated by the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00695-00153376-00153590 ceremony and in particular quite a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00696-00153591-00153926 easy way that they that the heart sutra Ewu4nW_FtpU-00697-00153927-00154111 and the buddhist teaching are presented Ewu4nW_FtpU-00698-00154112-00154399 and they related to personal struggle Ewu4nW_FtpU-00699-00154400-00154583 and to the sense of tranquility Ewu4nW_FtpU-00700-00154584-00154854 like that android trans transmitted to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00701-00154855-00154966 them Ewu4nW_FtpU-00702-00154967-00155223 but but some people feel uneasy uh some Ewu4nW_FtpU-00703-00155224-00155431 they don't like the feature of the robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00704-00155432-00155647 they think it's it's the voice is too Ewu4nW_FtpU-00705-00155648-00155790 young for example Ewu4nW_FtpU-00706-00155791-00155975 or struggles to identify it as a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00707-00155976-00156119 bodhisattva Ewu4nW_FtpU-00708-00156120-00156343 uh other cannot refrain from noticing Ewu4nW_FtpU-00709-00156344-00156551 that the event look too much as a stage Ewu4nW_FtpU-00710-00156552-00156631 act Ewu4nW_FtpU-00711-00156632-00156871 uh and they cannot really see this as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00712-00156872-00156959 canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00713-00156960-00157207 for others they imagine and the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00714-00157208-00157431 multimedia event is too distracting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00715-00157432-00157759 and other day comparing to the fact that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00716-00157760-00157863 he's very different Ewu4nW_FtpU-00717-00157864-00158054 listening to a priest delivering a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00718-00158055-00158223 sermon and that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00719-00158224-00158423 without the interaction there is not a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00720-00158424-00158559 fully experience Ewu4nW_FtpU-00721-00158560-00158975 of of the of the sermon of the teaching Ewu4nW_FtpU-00722-00158976-00159287 so in in in his interview Ewu4nW_FtpU-00723-00159288-00159535 goto mentioned the known japanese viewer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00724-00159536-00159751 were more critical of of them Ewu4nW_FtpU-00725-00159752-00159990 droid and talk and ask why he didn't Ewu4nW_FtpU-00726-00159991-00160190 look more human and compare it to the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00727-00160191-00160278 frankenstein Ewu4nW_FtpU-00728-00160279-00160614 monster and his opinion this was because Ewu4nW_FtpU-00729-00160615-00160823 they are less familiar than japanese Ewu4nW_FtpU-00730-00160824-00160966 people to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00731-00160967-00161231 uh relate to androids or to robots Ewu4nW_FtpU-00732-00161232-00161351 emotionally Ewu4nW_FtpU-00733-00161352-00161487 i'm not really sure i didn't have Ewu4nW_FtpU-00734-00161488-00161663 opportunity to interview Ewu4nW_FtpU-00735-00161664-00161966 my my very quick comment might also be Ewu4nW_FtpU-00736-00161967-00162199 that some of the visitor non Ewu4nW_FtpU-00737-00162200-00162454 uh from outside tourist visitor were Ewu4nW_FtpU-00738-00162455-00162566 expecting a different Ewu4nW_FtpU-00739-00162567-00162766 experience when they go to a buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00740-00162767-00162999 temple in kyoto and they didn't fit to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00741-00163000-00163031 the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00742-00163032-00163214 major buddhists they wanted to find Ewu4nW_FtpU-00743-00163215-00163399 there possibly Ewu4nW_FtpU-00744-00163400-00163807 um but also the comments from goto Ewu4nW_FtpU-00745-00163808-00163990 immediately reminded me these these Ewu4nW_FtpU-00746-00163991-00164287 several commentaries presenting japan is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00747-00164288-00164478 a machine loving nation or Ewu4nW_FtpU-00748-00164479-00164711 synonymous a technology of the future Ewu4nW_FtpU-00749-00164712-00164854 and and etc Ewu4nW_FtpU-00750-00164855-00165047 something that of course the techno Ewu4nW_FtpU-00751-00165048-00165302 mythology that marley and robbie's have Ewu4nW_FtpU-00752-00165303-00165623 called techno orientalism for example Ewu4nW_FtpU-00753-00165624-00165926 um however go to discussion of mind Ewu4nW_FtpU-00754-00165927-00166199 minder never refer to animistic view Ewu4nW_FtpU-00755-00166200-00166471 of the robot as a spirit you rather look Ewu4nW_FtpU-00756-00166472-00166575 at buddhist view Ewu4nW_FtpU-00757-00166576-00166878 of human and machine as both having Ewu4nW_FtpU-00758-00166879-00167119 uh buddha nature so what sanction and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00759-00167120-00167287 nonsense should be as good of nature so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00760-00167288-00167383 you tend to refer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00761-00167384-00167759 to to that uh ideas which are Ewu4nW_FtpU-00762-00167760-00168007 similar to the one that the very Ewu4nW_FtpU-00763-00168008-00168071 well-known Ewu4nW_FtpU-00764-00168072-00168254 robotics is more roboticism masahiro Ewu4nW_FtpU-00765-00168255-00168375 also introduced Ewu4nW_FtpU-00766-00168376-00168678 in his book so mori masahiro which i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00767-00168679-00168854 think everybody knows as the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00768-00168855-00169159 the one who coined the term the uncanny Ewu4nW_FtpU-00769-00169160-00169438 valley that uh bukiminotani which is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00770-00169439-00169678 technically the value of creepiness um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00771-00169679-00169823 who also published a book Ewu4nW_FtpU-00772-00169824-00170126 called mori masahiro no new moon uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00773-00170127-00170302 which is translated that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00774-00170303-00170535 in the literally means mori was a hero Ewu4nW_FtpU-00775-00170536-00170702 introduction to buddhist but it's Ewu4nW_FtpU-00776-00170703-00170911 um the english title is the buddha in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00777-00170912-00171054 the robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00778-00171055-00171343 so inspired by the lotus sutra mori also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00779-00171344-00171535 argued that robert has the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00780-00171536-00171766 buddha nature with them and have the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00781-00171767-00172031 potential to attain buddhahood Ewu4nW_FtpU-00782-00172032-00172343 so it this is a similar discussion that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00783-00172344-00172687 goethe does about minder um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00784-00172688-00172943 so that this remark seems to indicate Ewu4nW_FtpU-00785-00172944-00173135 the possibility of minder not only to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00786-00173136-00173326 fulfill the role of bodhisattva as a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00787-00173327-00173575 mediator between buddhas and humans Ewu4nW_FtpU-00788-00173576-00173799 but his way also to replace the role of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00789-00173800-00173902 a priest Ewu4nW_FtpU-00790-00173903-00174102 but also to introduce new ways of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00791-00174103-00174263 teaching transmission based Ewu4nW_FtpU-00792-00174264-00174663 on human and non-human uh interaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00793-00174664-00174966 uh however as minder explained itself in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00794-00174967-00175063 his sermon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00795-00175064-00175326 there is still limitation of the fact Ewu4nW_FtpU-00796-00175327-00175375 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00797-00175376-00175735 uh is not able yet to feel suffering and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00798-00175736-00175766 to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00799-00175767-00176071 then fully emotionally connect uh with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00800-00176072-00176375 the human emotion so those are just Ewu4nW_FtpU-00801-00176376-00176623 some final comments and then uh we can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00802-00176624-00176783 open up the discussion Ewu4nW_FtpU-00803-00176784-00177111 is the um devi white uh discussed the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00804-00177112-00177390 new affected possibilities of caring for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00805-00177391-00177535 example offered by Ewu4nW_FtpU-00806-00177536-00177751 the so-called emotional machine like Ewu4nW_FtpU-00807-00177752-00177935 pepper that we saw at the beginning Ewu4nW_FtpU-00808-00177936-00178175 that is machine that are able to sense Ewu4nW_FtpU-00809-00178176-00178471 feeling and to read facial expression Ewu4nW_FtpU-00810-00178472-00178695 and in a super agent society like the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00811-00178696-00178935 one in japan and even more during Ewu4nW_FtpU-00812-00178936-00179183 a social distance in restriction imposed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00813-00179184-00179399 in the last few months by coving 19 Ewu4nW_FtpU-00814-00179400-00179711 pandemic around in different parts of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00815-00179712-00179790 the world Ewu4nW_FtpU-00816-00179791-00180023 such a robot offer new opportunity for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00817-00180024-00180111 companionship Ewu4nW_FtpU-00818-00180112-00180447 care therapy and in japan the government Ewu4nW_FtpU-00819-00180448-00180631 has been very actively promoting the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00820-00180632-00180838 development of care robots and robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00821-00180839-00181007 enhanced lifestyle Ewu4nW_FtpU-00822-00181008-00181231 as a way to address pressing social Ewu4nW_FtpU-00823-00181232-00181438 issues for example Ewu4nW_FtpU-00824-00181439-00181751 but so robert can support um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00825-00181752-00181966 people living alone dying alone help Ewu4nW_FtpU-00826-00181967-00182135 people with disability Ewu4nW_FtpU-00827-00182136-00182407 and make them feel looked looked after Ewu4nW_FtpU-00828-00182408-00182623 so they can offer assistance they can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00829-00182624-00182678 offer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00830-00182679-00182990 and help to go beyond social limitation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00831-00182991-00183143 and physical limitation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00832-00183144-00183414 and create new type of community at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00833-00183415-00183511 moment though Ewu4nW_FtpU-00834-00183512-00183751 minder can only talk can move with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00835-00183752-00183919 inputted information Ewu4nW_FtpU-00836-00183920-00184159 so reminder is not yet an emotional Ewu4nW_FtpU-00837-00184160-00184383 machine or emotional revolt Ewu4nW_FtpU-00838-00184384-00184614 but some viewers comment especially Ewu4nW_FtpU-00839-00184615-00184807 regard looking at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00840-00184808-00185023 eyes at this idea of the eyes counter Ewu4nW_FtpU-00841-00185024-00185166 the fact they didn't watch us Ewu4nW_FtpU-00842-00185167-00185447 it it it protect us seem to indicate Ewu4nW_FtpU-00843-00185448-00185663 that possibility of future development Ewu4nW_FtpU-00844-00185664-00185926 in creating an emotional connection a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00845-00185927-00186190 heart-to-heart relationship between Ewu4nW_FtpU-00846-00186191-00186487 the human and the androids when canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-00847-00186488-00186575 minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-00848-00186576-00186847 maybe become able to understand the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00849-00186848-00186935 human heart Ewu4nW_FtpU-00850-00186936-00187238 and interact directly with the viewer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00851-00187239-00187438 so in this sense will be something very Ewu4nW_FtpU-00852-00187439-00187599 different from just Ewu4nW_FtpU-00853-00187600-00187854 that type of robot we we have seen in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00854-00187855-00187950 the past so this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00855-00187951-00188263 kind of ritual performing um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00856-00188264-00188607 devices uh but of course it's also Ewu4nW_FtpU-00857-00188608-00188831 also important to remember that it might Ewu4nW_FtpU-00858-00188832-00189063 not work for everybody so i i think in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00859-00189064-00189207 the future that we need to have a very Ewu4nW_FtpU-00860-00189208-00189399 careful analysis of the interaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00861-00189400-00189471 between Ewu4nW_FtpU-00862-00189472-00189743 the viewers and minder and see how this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00863-00189744-00189887 can be developed Ewu4nW_FtpU-00864-00189888-00190207 uh also to avoid a more generalizing Ewu4nW_FtpU-00865-00190208-00190311 association Ewu4nW_FtpU-00866-00190312-00190654 of as living beings Ewu4nW_FtpU-00867-00190655-00190887 associated as often we've seen some Ewu4nW_FtpU-00868-00190888-00191087 commentary with shinto Ewu4nW_FtpU-00869-00191088-00191414 um a view that uh of course is not only Ewu4nW_FtpU-00870-00191415-00191623 problematic from the point of view Ewu4nW_FtpU-00871-00191624-00191935 of the of shinto itself as Ewu4nW_FtpU-00872-00191936-00192231 but also does not really explain how Ewu4nW_FtpU-00873-00192232-00192326 this feeling Ewu4nW_FtpU-00874-00192327-00192566 are created is how this connection with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00875-00192567-00192838 with android is is created Ewu4nW_FtpU-00876-00192839-00193071 um and also in case of mind there are Ewu4nW_FtpU-00877-00193072-00193254 those some of the actors like the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00878-00193255-00193414 kudaiji Ewu4nW_FtpU-00879-00193415-00193614 attributed the relationship between Ewu4nW_FtpU-00880-00193615-00193887 human being and technology Ewu4nW_FtpU-00881-00193888-00194143 uh in in the japanese religious context Ewu4nW_FtpU-00882-00194144-00194319 with the specific tradition like Ewu4nW_FtpU-00883-00194320-00194383 buddhism Ewu4nW_FtpU-00884-00194384-00194590 this does not necessarily mean that is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00885-00194591-00194807 issued by the participant Ewu4nW_FtpU-00886-00194808-00194966 but also at the same time the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00887-00194967-00195159 participant might not feel particularly Ewu4nW_FtpU-00888-00195160-00195263 unease with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00889-00195264-00195614 the presence of the android so this kind Ewu4nW_FtpU-00890-00195615-00195887 of the possibility of of this possible Ewu4nW_FtpU-00891-00195888-00196031 development Ewu4nW_FtpU-00892-00196032-00196438 of this kind of emotional interaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-00893-00196439-00196814 so according to uh rambeli Ewu4nW_FtpU-00894-00196815-00197047 robots and digital ritual practice move Ewu4nW_FtpU-00895-00197048-00197271 the focus from the ritual specialist to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00896-00197272-00197399 the ritual itself Ewu4nW_FtpU-00897-00197400-00197614 shifting the attention from the physical Ewu4nW_FtpU-00898-00197615-00197854 co-presence of ritual specialists and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00899-00197855-00198007 participants Ewu4nW_FtpU-00900-00198008-00198278 and to from from the the direct Ewu4nW_FtpU-00901-00198279-00198407 performance Ewu4nW_FtpU-00902-00198408-00198638 and also gold and walter in a very Ewu4nW_FtpU-00903-00198639-00198750 recent article Ewu4nW_FtpU-00904-00198751-00199054 discussed the robot as techno salvation Ewu4nW_FtpU-00905-00199055-00199087 is Ewu4nW_FtpU-00906-00199088-00199343 intervention in modern buddhist ritual Ewu4nW_FtpU-00907-00199344-00199431 practice Ewu4nW_FtpU-00908-00199432-00199719 the t is that this ritual they can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00909-00199720-00199831 mediate Ewu4nW_FtpU-00910-00199832-00200095 human ritual failure and therefore they Ewu4nW_FtpU-00911-00200096-00200359 might potentially contribute to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00912-00200360-00200590 an effort in revitalizing the image of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00913-00200591-00200678 buddhists Ewu4nW_FtpU-00914-00200679-00200871 uh in in japan and the declining Ewu4nW_FtpU-00915-00200872-00201023 relationship between the temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00916-00201024-00201207 buddhists and parishioners Ewu4nW_FtpU-00917-00201208-00201478 but can this co-presence be created with Ewu4nW_FtpU-00918-00201479-00201599 non-human Ewu4nW_FtpU-00919-00201600-00201895 and human actors how this will work can Ewu4nW_FtpU-00920-00201896-00201999 actually mind their Ewu4nW_FtpU-00921-00202000-00202263 health and in in revitalizing the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00922-00202264-00202447 imaging of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00923-00202448-00202623 buddhism i think it's still too early to Ewu4nW_FtpU-00924-00202624-00202750 see something that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00925-00202751-00203031 you also need to remember the issue in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00926-00203032-00203223 terms of constant and other other Ewu4nW_FtpU-00927-00203224-00203614 aspects related um related to that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00928-00203615-00203926 but um in in an interview uh the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00929-00203927-00204183 roboticist ishiguro defined the temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-00930-00204184-00204399 as a kind of virtual reality Ewu4nW_FtpU-00931-00204400-00204671 where imaginary of hell having already Ewu4nW_FtpU-00932-00204672-00204846 exists so he said there are actually Ewu4nW_FtpU-00933-00204848-00205142 very interesting place where to explore Ewu4nW_FtpU-00934-00205144-00205423 this new possibility of virtual Ewu4nW_FtpU-00935-00205423-00205631 realities and virtual interactions so Ewu4nW_FtpU-00936-00205632-00205806 this is actually another interesting Ewu4nW_FtpU-00937-00205807-00205919 aspect Ewu4nW_FtpU-00938-00205919-00206158 but there is uh the possibility maybe in Ewu4nW_FtpU-00939-00206159-00206279 the future of uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00940-00206280-00206542 of the completely eliminated the human Ewu4nW_FtpU-00941-00206544-00206631 buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00942-00206632-00206903 uh and where buddhist is is conceived Ewu4nW_FtpU-00943-00206904-00207175 more as possible strong humans and where Ewu4nW_FtpU-00944-00207176-00207503 uh i'm caught in uh gold and walter here Ewu4nW_FtpU-00945-00207504-00207671 they talk about the technological Ewu4nW_FtpU-00946-00207671-00207831 perfection of practice Ewu4nW_FtpU-00947-00207832-00208151 will replace the human flow and weakness Ewu4nW_FtpU-00948-00208152-00208446 maybe but for now a fax machine is still Ewu4nW_FtpU-00949-00208448-00208614 mediating our encounter with the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00950-00208615-00208742 buddhist Ewu4nW_FtpU-00951-00208744-00209031 reminder for now is a robot who performs Ewu4nW_FtpU-00952-00209032-00209271 pre-recorded sermons in a multimedia Ewu4nW_FtpU-00953-00209271-00209455 environment creating a sensorial Ewu4nW_FtpU-00954-00209456-00209631 experiencing viewer Ewu4nW_FtpU-00955-00209632-00209967 he's evolving into a supreme teacher Ewu4nW_FtpU-00956-00209967-00210246 which is the dream of goto is still a Ewu4nW_FtpU-00957-00210248-00210431 very long and costly Ewu4nW_FtpU-00958-00210432-00210823 way to go and i'll stop here thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-00959-00210823-00211198 very thank you very much Ewu4nW_FtpU-00960-00211200-00211823 but this was the last slide Ewu4nW_FtpU-00961-00211823-00212079 okay thank you very much um erica for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00962-00212080-00212246 this erica for this Ewu4nW_FtpU-00963-00212248-00212639 okay can you switch off your mic Ewu4nW_FtpU-00964-00212640-00213023 because we have a feedback so thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-00965-00213023-00213198 very much for this very interesting talk Ewu4nW_FtpU-00966-00213200-00213431 which for the first time really um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00967-00213432-00213775 in our webinar series focused on Ewu4nW_FtpU-00968-00213776-00214134 um a form of embodied uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00969-00214135-00214310 artificial intelligence technology that Ewu4nW_FtpU-00970-00214311-00214487 is a robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-00971-00214488-00214871 um we will now have about 25 minutes for Ewu4nW_FtpU-00972-00214871-00215015 discussion Ewu4nW_FtpU-00973-00215016-00215415 uh please just let me know in the chat Ewu4nW_FtpU-00974-00215416-00215591 when you have a question just typing i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00975-00215592-00215734 have a question i will then keep the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00976-00215735-00215806 list and Ewu4nW_FtpU-00977-00215807-00216158 uh um uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-00978-00216159-00216327 that's that's how we'll organize the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00979-00216328-00216463 discussion um Ewu4nW_FtpU-00980-00216464-00216767 and then you can switch on your your mic Ewu4nW_FtpU-00981-00216767-00217087 and camera when you Ewu4nW_FtpU-00982-00217088-00217367 when you take the floor um we already Ewu4nW_FtpU-00983-00217367-00217439 have one Ewu4nW_FtpU-00984-00217440-00217887 question from robert uh robert jarratchi Ewu4nW_FtpU-00985-00217888-00218287 um the floor is yours robert Ewu4nW_FtpU-00986-00218288-00218455 thank you so much for that wonderful Ewu4nW_FtpU-00987-00218456-00218606 talk that was really interesting and i Ewu4nW_FtpU-00988-00218607-00218775 enjoyed it very much Ewu4nW_FtpU-00989-00218776-00218967 my question is kind of trifold but Ewu4nW_FtpU-00990-00218967-00219119 they're all linked to one Ewu4nW_FtpU-00991-00219119-00219431 issue which is about controversies right Ewu4nW_FtpU-00992-00219432-00219742 and and compromises because you used the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00993-00219744-00219927 word compromise right to talk about how Ewu4nW_FtpU-00994-00219928-00220119 the leaders in ishiguro and how people Ewu4nW_FtpU-00995-00220119-00220310 were kind of coming together Ewu4nW_FtpU-00996-00220311-00220751 um so that's like one aspect of it is of Ewu4nW_FtpU-00997-00220752-00220998 what goals were governing right the the Ewu4nW_FtpU-00998-00221000-00221182 compromise decisions Ewu4nW_FtpU-00999-00221183-00221398 but also in terms of the controversies Ewu4nW_FtpU-01000-00221400-00221558 you know were there people who feel that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01001-00221559-00221775 the robot buddha is not a good way to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01002-00221776-00221958 to reach out to young people to teach Ewu4nW_FtpU-01003-00221959-00222079 young people Ewu4nW_FtpU-01004-00222080-00222431 um and then finally one final aspect of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01005-00222432-00222542 that is whether or not you've had a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01006-00222544-00222663 chance to like kind of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01007-00222664-00222967 math out um how many people Ewu4nW_FtpU-01008-00222967-00223223 thought the robot seemed to have a soul Ewu4nW_FtpU-01009-00223223-00223342 or did a good job Ewu4nW_FtpU-01010-00223344-00223542 like do you know the percentages like in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01011-00223544-00223655 just your own Ewu4nW_FtpU-01012-00223656-00223951 research what it looked like in terms of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01013-00223952-00224055 how people Ewu4nW_FtpU-01014-00224056-00224551 did or didn't buy into that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01015-00224552-00224687 so i know that was a lot you don't even Ewu4nW_FtpU-01016-00224688-00224806 have to talk about all of it if you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01017-00224807-00224887 don't want Ewu4nW_FtpU-01018-00224888-00225087 no fantastic thank you thank you so much Ewu4nW_FtpU-01019-00225088-00225198 robert you raised some Ewu4nW_FtpU-01020-00225200-00225479 very very interesting aspects um it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01021-00225480-00225558 actually is put Ewu4nW_FtpU-01022-00225559-00225719 on and so the first one is the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01023-00225719-00225951 compromises i think is one of the key Ewu4nW_FtpU-01024-00225952-00226127 element to look at how this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01025-00226128-00226367 works because of course there is that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01026-00226367-00226431 temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-01027-00226432-00226687 who has their agenda in their idea and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01028-00226688-00226879 there are the roboticists that needs to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01029-00226880-00227015 create it uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01030-00227016-00227223 and so when in the discussion you could Ewu4nW_FtpU-01031-00227223-00227463 see that there is a constant negotiation Ewu4nW_FtpU-01032-00227464-00227719 about how to actually create that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01033-00227719-00227910 there is also very interesting aspect Ewu4nW_FtpU-01034-00227911-00228087 that i didn't mention about Ewu4nW_FtpU-01035-00228088-00228358 that uh osaka university is a public Ewu4nW_FtpU-01036-00228359-00228463 university Ewu4nW_FtpU-01037-00228464-00228663 so there was also attention about Ewu4nW_FtpU-01038-00228664-00228806 collaborating with a religion Ewu4nW_FtpU-01039-00228807-00228894 institution Ewu4nW_FtpU-01040-00228896-00229255 because of this separation of religion Ewu4nW_FtpU-01041-00229256-00229406 and states in japan which is quite Ewu4nW_FtpU-01042-00229407-00229479 strong Ewu4nW_FtpU-01043-00229480-00229694 so one thing they couldn't do was to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01044-00229696-00229975 apply for public funding for the project Ewu4nW_FtpU-01045-00229976-00230263 so the project has to be fun to donation Ewu4nW_FtpU-01046-00230264-00230439 but it couldn't they couldn't apply to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01047-00230440-00230679 the usual kind of public funding so that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01048-00230680-00230815 also limited Ewu4nW_FtpU-01049-00230816-00231103 the thing they could do uh in a sense Ewu4nW_FtpU-01050-00231104-00231134 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01051-00231135-00231310 you know it in in that sense and these Ewu4nW_FtpU-01052-00231311-00231519 this was something that came up Ewu4nW_FtpU-01053-00231519-00231710 i'm presenting the discussion i didn't Ewu4nW_FtpU-01054-00231711-00231910 have the chance to look at it more but Ewu4nW_FtpU-01055-00231911-00232206 these also say that this can be a issue Ewu4nW_FtpU-01056-00232207-00232319 in the future Ewu4nW_FtpU-01057-00232319-00232598 if the temple wants to keep working with Ewu4nW_FtpU-01058-00232600-00232742 a public funded Ewu4nW_FtpU-01059-00232744-00233046 uh institution that that can be raised Ewu4nW_FtpU-01060-00233048-00233279 and then someone else was told when they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01061-00233280-00233463 were mentioned the fact that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01062-00233464-00233727 they might be other development but done Ewu4nW_FtpU-01063-00233728-00233791 between Ewu4nW_FtpU-01064-00233792-00234015 you know researcher and not necessarily Ewu4nW_FtpU-01065-00234016-00234119 involved in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01066-00234119-00234294 religious institution which is also Ewu4nW_FtpU-01067-00234296-00234463 interesting that will be very Ewu4nW_FtpU-01068-00234464-00234639 interesting to see what came out of it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01069-00234640-00234727 and in the kind of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01070-00234728-00235079 different way of looking up robots that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01071-00235080-00235455 are uh related to religious idea but not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01072-00235456-00235679 involving the religion institution in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01073-00235680-00235806 that sense so it's something i would Ewu4nW_FtpU-01074-00235807-00235919 like to see more Ewu4nW_FtpU-01075-00235919-00236191 but the compromise about the face and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01076-00236192-00236342 the hand was a very interesting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01077-00236344-00236455 discussion Ewu4nW_FtpU-01078-00236456-00236806 and i think that it will go to reply Ewu4nW_FtpU-01079-00236807-00237023 reporting in several inter interview in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01080-00237023-00237223 a very similar way so i think at one Ewu4nW_FtpU-01081-00237223-00237287 point Ewu4nW_FtpU-01082-00237288-00237558 you report very similar what some of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01083-00237559-00237815 roboticists were saying that they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01084-00237816-00238079 tend to be especially the ishiguro team Ewu4nW_FtpU-01085-00238080-00238119 are Ewu4nW_FtpU-01086-00238119-00238375 quite keen in creating robots and really Ewu4nW_FtpU-01087-00238376-00238567 looks like humans Ewu4nW_FtpU-01088-00238567-00238806 so that was but he didn't want that to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01089-00238807-00239015 look human at all at the beginning Ewu4nW_FtpU-01090-00239016-00239246 so there was this in ongoing ongoing Ewu4nW_FtpU-01091-00239248-00239406 discussion as well Ewu4nW_FtpU-01092-00239407-00239598 and of course the main compromise is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01093-00239600-00239823 that uh the limits of that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01094-00239823-00240015 that that what they actually could Ewu4nW_FtpU-01095-00240016-00240191 achieve with what is achievable Ewu4nW_FtpU-01096-00240192-00240567 now in in term of of of technology Ewu4nW_FtpU-01097-00240567-00240830 uh that what is it possible to have to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01098-00240831-00240887 be done Ewu4nW_FtpU-01099-00240888-00241142 at the moment um because then you know Ewu4nW_FtpU-01100-00241144-00241191 they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01101-00241192-00241439 one of the things that came up was that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01102-00241440-00241734 the maintenance costs are extremely high Ewu4nW_FtpU-01103-00241735-00242046 of the mapping and all that or the of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01104-00242048-00242110 the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01105-00242111-00242342 minder itself so this is something that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01106-00242344-00242534 made a need to take into account Ewu4nW_FtpU-01107-00242535-00242815 where we're creating we're creating this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01108-00242816-00242894 so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01109-00242896-00243191 the current the compromises is is one of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01110-00243192-00243398 the key aspect i think to look at this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01111-00243400-00243542 to look at the different Ewu4nW_FtpU-01112-00243544-00243830 agencies that play a role in in creating Ewu4nW_FtpU-01113-00243831-00243903 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01114-00243904-00244134 and also the fact that often tend to be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01115-00244135-00244319 quite individual Ewu4nW_FtpU-01116-00244319-00244703 um enterprises by very an enthusiastic Ewu4nW_FtpU-01117-00244704-00244871 priest so go to think Ewu4nW_FtpU-01118-00244871-00245151 talk about his passion for ai for Ewu4nW_FtpU-01119-00245152-00245230 decades Ewu4nW_FtpU-01120-00245231-00245463 it has always been his dream in in a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01121-00245464-00245615 sense and he's also Ewu4nW_FtpU-01122-00245616-00245910 a temple that could afford doing that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01123-00245911-00246046 and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01124-00246048-00246406 um the controversies absolutely so that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01125-00246407-00246430 i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01126-00246431-00246710 i think is you know this this kind of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01127-00246711-00246967 use or different way of presenting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01128-00246967-00247055 ritual Ewu4nW_FtpU-01129-00247056-00247230 is not necessarily something that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01130-00247231-00247423 everybody would embrace Ewu4nW_FtpU-01131-00247423-00247751 um buddhist temple in japan work in a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01132-00247752-00247958 very autonomous way each of them are Ewu4nW_FtpU-01133-00247959-00248223 very independent in that sense Ewu4nW_FtpU-01134-00248223-00248519 um and but you you you talk and you know Ewu4nW_FtpU-01135-00248519-00248694 i know there are people in the room that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01136-00248696-00248855 has been done quite a lot of work Ewu4nW_FtpU-01137-00248856-00249079 on buddhist temple where some some Ewu4nW_FtpU-01138-00249080-00249255 priests are actually quite against Ewu4nW_FtpU-01139-00249256-00249558 bringing in this kind of spectacle or Ewu4nW_FtpU-01140-00249559-00249630 images Ewu4nW_FtpU-01141-00249631-00249846 that they don't see as the appropriate Ewu4nW_FtpU-01142-00249848-00250127 way uh and they still see the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01143-00250128-00250342 interactive direct interaction with the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01144-00250344-00250503 parishioner done by Ewu4nW_FtpU-01145-00250504-00250830 the the priest as the way to go Ewu4nW_FtpU-01146-00250831-00251175 or they can see is is a way to yeah his Ewu4nW_FtpU-01147-00251176-00251279 entertainment Ewu4nW_FtpU-01148-00251280-00251551 is fun but you know it cannot just be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01149-00251552-00251591 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01150-00251592-00251879 that can just be one one on a part so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01151-00251880-00251942 there is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01152-00251944-00252142 uh you know of course very different Ewu4nW_FtpU-01153-00252144-00252327 opinion on on that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01154-00252328-00252646 the priest visited that i i saw in some Ewu4nW_FtpU-01155-00252648-00252830 of the reports some of them they were Ewu4nW_FtpU-01156-00252831-00252927 kind of yeah Ewu4nW_FtpU-01157-00252928-00253223 is nice is that curiosity is interesting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01158-00253223-00253471 and some other they would just say well Ewu4nW_FtpU-01159-00253471-00253630 you know it's probably not something Ewu4nW_FtpU-01160-00253631-00253806 that we will like to see Ewu4nW_FtpU-01161-00253807-00254191 in in our temple in in that sense um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01162-00254192-00254455 but strong strong idea about well you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01163-00254456-00254575 shouldn't do that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01164-00254576-00254775 i don't think that there were many of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01165-00254776-00255063 that in in that in that sense Ewu4nW_FtpU-01166-00255064-00255319 uh but go to mention that some of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01167-00255319-00255503 buddhist priests were a bit puzzled and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01168-00255504-00255742 not particularly keen into the into the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01169-00255744-00255863 idea Ewu4nW_FtpU-01170-00255864-00256223 um and the third one was the oh the idea Ewu4nW_FtpU-01171-00256223-00256319 um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01172-00256319-00256639 in in i i i received they gave me all Ewu4nW_FtpU-01173-00256640-00256687 the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01174-00256688-00256863 comments of all the visitors for the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01175-00256864-00257006 three months and when i went Ewu4nW_FtpU-01176-00257007-00257351 into it uh a lot of them the most of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01177-00257352-00257503 them were focusing on the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01178-00257504-00257798 on the feature or how it looked you know Ewu4nW_FtpU-01179-00257800-00258006 on the eyes i think those were one of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01180-00258007-00258063 the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01181-00258064-00258382 the majority and some on this idea of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01182-00258383-00258455 warmth Ewu4nW_FtpU-01183-00258456-00258719 feeling that they were feeling uh the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01184-00258719-00259015 the one they were talking about Ewu4nW_FtpU-01185-00259016-00259334 the kokoro the soul or the heart uh they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01186-00259335-00259567 are not definitely not the majority Ewu4nW_FtpU-01187-00259567-00259798 as the negative one were definitely a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01188-00259800-00259975 minority as well Ewu4nW_FtpU-01189-00259976-00260319 um but a lot of them were more wow this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01190-00260319-00260551 is very nice this is interesting this is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01191-00260552-00260623 fun Ewu4nW_FtpU-01192-00260623-00260975 uh oh it moves it look at me that's kind Ewu4nW_FtpU-01193-00260976-00260998 of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01194-00261000-00261271 more you know interesting in in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01195-00261271-00261391 appearance Ewu4nW_FtpU-01196-00261392-00261663 more than going further uh is is the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01197-00261664-00261863 reason i say we need to be very careful Ewu4nW_FtpU-01198-00261864-00262046 with you know what the the priest Ewu4nW_FtpU-01199-00262048-00262215 intention and what they think and how Ewu4nW_FtpU-01200-00262216-00262406 actually the people then react to it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01201-00262407-00262606 uh which is i think something can apply Ewu4nW_FtpU-01202-00262607-00262806 to many think in religion Ewu4nW_FtpU-01203-00262807-00263039 but and in this in in this in this case Ewu4nW_FtpU-01204-00263040-00263110 as well Ewu4nW_FtpU-01205-00263111-00263358 um yeah i don't know if i answer all Ewu4nW_FtpU-01206-00263359-00263527 your threes oh it's terrific thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01207-00263528-00263606 very much Ewu4nW_FtpU-01208-00263607-00263910 thanks Ewu4nW_FtpU-01209-00263911-00264158 thank you we now have a question from Ewu4nW_FtpU-01210-00264159-00264487 paulina colata Ewu4nW_FtpU-01211-00264488-00264855 hi paula hi hello Ewu4nW_FtpU-01212-00264856-00265247 um great talk um really fantastic erica Ewu4nW_FtpU-01213-00265248-00265310 thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01214-00265311-00265671 um i have a um question Ewu4nW_FtpU-01215-00265672-00265967 which is a little bit maybe vague but um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01216-00265968-00266039 so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01217-00266040-00266503 you talked about goto saying that um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01218-00266504-00266743 so canon became a buddha right so it is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01219-00266744-00266887 sort of an incarnation Ewu4nW_FtpU-01220-00266888-00267263 of um of canon or and in that way it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01221-00267264-00267406 also embodies Ewu4nW_FtpU-01222-00267407-00267734 the perfection of practice right the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01223-00267735-00268039 um uh and and what you mentioned Ewu4nW_FtpU-01224-00268040-00268143 regarding sort of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01225-00268144-00268463 um golden walter's sort of um idea of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01226-00268464-00268767 ortho uh praxi and kind of non-aero Ewu4nW_FtpU-01227-00268768-00268903 ritual performance Ewu4nW_FtpU-01228-00268904-00269103 but obviously that non-error rituals Ewu4nW_FtpU-01229-00269104-00269334 performance when it comes to android Ewu4nW_FtpU-01230-00269335-00269679 um this perfection of practice really is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01231-00269680-00269791 related to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01232-00269792-00270110 or it's contingent really upon human Ewu4nW_FtpU-01233-00270111-00270375 action so human created algorithms Ewu4nW_FtpU-01234-00270376-00270710 human and created hardware as well Ewu4nW_FtpU-01235-00270711-00271103 um so i i i'm just wondering Ewu4nW_FtpU-01236-00271104-00271399 and how that sort of then ties into this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01237-00271400-00271551 idea that goto has Ewu4nW_FtpU-01238-00271552-00271879 about the canon being the incarnation of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01239-00271880-00272095 that perfection also because Ewu4nW_FtpU-01240-00272096-00272295 um i'm wondering whether he's thinking Ewu4nW_FtpU-01241-00272296-00272551 okay so is ai here Ewu4nW_FtpU-01242-00272552-00272806 becoming part of karmic networks and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01243-00272807-00272943 cycles Ewu4nW_FtpU-01244-00272944-00273215 and is it meant and this is kind of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01245-00273216-00273279 coming back to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01246-00273280-00273455 um the last thing that you were talking Ewu4nW_FtpU-01247-00273456-00273655 in relation to robert's question um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01248-00273656-00273982 is it meant to be relatable because Ewu4nW_FtpU-01249-00273983-00274199 it has human features or is it meant to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01250-00274200-00274343 be relatable because Ewu4nW_FtpU-01251-00274344-00274639 it is compassionate but his advert and i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01252-00274640-00274758 think that these two Ewu4nW_FtpU-01253-00274759-00275103 are slightly different um so i'm kind of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01254-00275104-00275279 i guess i'm asking about three things so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01255-00275280-00275479 one thing is that conversation of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01256-00275480-00275615 perfection Ewu4nW_FtpU-01257-00275616-00275927 um but the other one is that contingency Ewu4nW_FtpU-01258-00275928-00276119 on human actions so how can Ewu4nW_FtpU-01259-00276120-00276382 you know how how can we create that um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01260-00276383-00276543 really as um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01261-00276544-00276855 as part of the karmic cycle um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01262-00276856-00277079 within within the buddhist context um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01263-00277080-00277215 and two Ewu4nW_FtpU-01264-00277216-00277519 is that related yeah that um is it meant Ewu4nW_FtpU-01265-00277520-00277647 to be human or is it meant to be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01266-00277648-00277934 supernatural Ewu4nW_FtpU-01267-00277935-00278295 sorry that's that's it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01268-00278296-00278887 i hope this makes sense Ewu4nW_FtpU-01269-00278888-00279119 uh please turn on your microphone erica Ewu4nW_FtpU-01270-00279120-00279358 we do yeah i couldn't unmute myself for Ewu4nW_FtpU-01271-00279359-00279447 some reason Ewu4nW_FtpU-01272-00279448-00279630 so thank you so much paula i was Ewu4nW_FtpU-01273-00279631-00279775 thinking of you were telling Ewu4nW_FtpU-01274-00279776-00280006 to robert that you know there are people Ewu4nW_FtpU-01275-00280007-00280158 in the who doesn't know a lot about the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01276-00280159-00280199 temple Ewu4nW_FtpU-01277-00280200-00280415 buddhist and the reaction to this kind Ewu4nW_FtpU-01278-00280416-00280591 of technology as Ewu4nW_FtpU-01279-00280592-00280895 as well um they're terrific question and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01280-00280896-00281095 i think they're a very important point Ewu4nW_FtpU-01281-00281096-00281406 because in my um discussion also with Ewu4nW_FtpU-01282-00281407-00281503 goto i think Ewu4nW_FtpU-01283-00281504-00281839 his use of ai was really general Ewu4nW_FtpU-01284-00281840-00282110 it doesn't it didn't really clarify uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01285-00282111-00282215 um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01286-00282216-00282479 and and exactly what he meant by it and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01287-00282480-00282639 also what he meant with his Ewu4nW_FtpU-01288-00282640-00282847 idea of of the perfection of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01289-00282848-00283079 practice but what was very interesting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01290-00283080-00283175 in one point Ewu4nW_FtpU-01291-00283176-00283430 was that he mentioned that the type of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01292-00283431-00283679 explanation of emptiness for example Ewu4nW_FtpU-01293-00283680-00283782 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01294-00283783-00284095 minder does was inputted by Ewu4nW_FtpU-01295-00284096-00284382 a young priest at the temple so it was Ewu4nW_FtpU-01296-00284383-00284471 actually their Ewu4nW_FtpU-01297-00284472-00284734 interpretation of the teaching and and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01298-00284735-00284919 and he made very clear so yeah Ewu4nW_FtpU-01299-00284920-00285134 they are this i know the young monk i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01300-00285135-00285287 let them do that so they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01301-00285288-00285606 are the one putting in the input um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01302-00285607-00285854 so i i think is is the reason was also Ewu4nW_FtpU-01303-00285855-00286079 my my question mark about that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01304-00286080-00286382 today to the fact that uh you know they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01305-00286383-00286710 there is an inputting into uh there are Ewu4nW_FtpU-01306-00286711-00286927 some uh priesthood crates in this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01307-00286928-00287087 teaching and the explanation of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01308-00287088-00287191 teaching in minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-01309-00287192-00287519 and then giving is is still a way to go Ewu4nW_FtpU-01310-00287520-00287839 into what um the article you also Ewu4nW_FtpU-01311-00287840-00287967 mentioned talk about Ewu4nW_FtpU-01312-00287968-00288279 in in the perfection of the practice um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01313-00288280-00288630 that idea of uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01314-00288631-00288871 how relatable so the connection with Ewu4nW_FtpU-01315-00288872-00289087 with canon because of the compassion you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01316-00289088-00289119 know Ewu4nW_FtpU-01317-00289120-00289463 it's because it is um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01318-00289464-00289654 a connection to the feature and how the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01319-00289655-00289847 emotion of that is provoked by the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01320-00289848-00290006 experience itself Ewu4nW_FtpU-01321-00290007-00290223 is something i think we need to look a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01322-00290224-00290334 little bit more in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01323-00290335-00290567 with more with further studies on on Ewu4nW_FtpU-01324-00290568-00290647 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01325-00290648-00290951 uh because uh although uh the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01326-00290952-00291103 the priest and the brief is what these Ewu4nW_FtpU-01327-00291104-00291319 ideas transmits in the teaching and in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01328-00291320-00291399 this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01329-00291400-00291815 stage discussion between Ewu4nW_FtpU-01330-00291816-00292158 the reminder and this uh audience Ewu4nW_FtpU-01331-00292159-00292471 is about them discovering true Ewu4nW_FtpU-01332-00292472-00292782 minder uh that the buddhist teaching and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01333-00292783-00292991 going from ignorance to understanding Ewu4nW_FtpU-01334-00292992-00293223 and in the in the manga which i have Ewu4nW_FtpU-01335-00293224-00293375 here the manga Ewu4nW_FtpU-01336-00293376-00293687 published uh by the temple you can see Ewu4nW_FtpU-01337-00293688-00293879 how it will look like you know there is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01338-00293880-00294095 a minder explaining the teaching and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01339-00294096-00294215 guiding them Ewu4nW_FtpU-01340-00294216-00294503 uh through to knowledge uh so this is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01341-00294504-00294695 the idea but what at the end when the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01342-00294696-00294806 people enter Ewu4nW_FtpU-01343-00294807-00294991 that what the connection what they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01344-00294992-00295158 created is with this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01345-00295159-00295415 emotional connection with how it looks Ewu4nW_FtpU-01346-00295416-00295495 at them Ewu4nW_FtpU-01347-00295496-00295854 and and they talk about the eyes etc Ewu4nW_FtpU-01348-00295855-00296191 so i i think it's probably uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01349-00296192-00296543 not clear what he would like to create Ewu4nW_FtpU-01350-00296544-00296710 a connection that goes through the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01351-00296711-00296910 teaching so the minder became the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01352-00296911-00297063 perfect teacher Ewu4nW_FtpU-01353-00297064-00297263 at the great teacher what what he talked Ewu4nW_FtpU-01354-00297264-00297503 about but this is not necessary how Ewu4nW_FtpU-01355-00297504-00297799 that the viewers are interacting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01356-00297800-00297863 although Ewu4nW_FtpU-01357-00297864-00298110 i must say also in the comments a lot of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01358-00298111-00298287 them mentioned the idea that the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01359-00298288-00298527 teaching would really clearly explain Ewu4nW_FtpU-01360-00298528-00298815 and they they like that you know they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01361-00298816-00298975 finally they could understand what Ewu4nW_FtpU-01362-00298976-00299134 emptiness mean Ewu4nW_FtpU-01363-00299135-00299303 because it was explaining in such a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01364-00299304-00299439 clear way Ewu4nW_FtpU-01365-00299440-00299630 so i'm not really sure if i'm addressing Ewu4nW_FtpU-01366-00299631-00299847 your question and i'm not sure really Ewu4nW_FtpU-01367-00299848-00299991 sure if if Ewu4nW_FtpU-01368-00299992-00300303 paula is still there because i i can i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01369-00300304-00300479 cannot see you moving Ewu4nW_FtpU-01370-00300480-00300767 no yes sorry i am i am uh no no you are Ewu4nW_FtpU-01371-00300768-00300903 and i think as you say it would be just Ewu4nW_FtpU-01372-00300904-00301143 really interesting to see Ewu4nW_FtpU-01373-00301144-00301463 what that effective um atmosphere Ewu4nW_FtpU-01374-00301464-00301734 and versus the delivery of teaching by Ewu4nW_FtpU-01375-00301735-00301815 the end of the day Ewu4nW_FtpU-01376-00301816-00301934 i love it that you say that it's the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01377-00301935-00302158 young monk who input Ewu4nW_FtpU-01378-00302159-00302334 the teaching so the fact that it's so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01379-00302335-00302534 clear it's the credit to the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01380-00302535-00302806 exactly credit to him rather than to the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01381-00302807-00302958 to the robot right but Ewu4nW_FtpU-01382-00302959-00303230 yeah no thanks exactly it's exactly what Ewu4nW_FtpU-01383-00303231-00303382 what you were saying that you know it's Ewu4nW_FtpU-01384-00303383-00303454 something that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01385-00303455-00303663 you know this is the idea in the future Ewu4nW_FtpU-01386-00303664-00303847 the mind there will be able to do it by Ewu4nW_FtpU-01387-00303848-00303919 itself but Ewu4nW_FtpU-01388-00303920-00304191 at the moment is what the young priest Ewu4nW_FtpU-01389-00304192-00304239 told Ewu4nW_FtpU-01390-00304240-00304847 them it to do to say basically Ewu4nW_FtpU-01391-00304848-00305047 thank you we now have a question from Ewu4nW_FtpU-01392-00305048-00305151 incan Ewu4nW_FtpU-01393-00305152-00305430 incan the floor is yours yes thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01394-00305431-00305591 do you hear me because i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01395-00305592-00305782 nothing is working on my computer today Ewu4nW_FtpU-01396-00305783-00305991 great yes Ewu4nW_FtpU-01397-00305992-00306158 thank you very much for that very Ewu4nW_FtpU-01398-00306159-00306358 helpful talk and how wonderful erica Ewu4nW_FtpU-01399-00306359-00306551 that you've been able Ewu4nW_FtpU-01400-00306552-00306806 to visit the temple at the beginning of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01401-00306807-00307039 this year i wish i would have gone Ewu4nW_FtpU-01402-00307040-00307382 yes anyway so when we talk about robots Ewu4nW_FtpU-01403-00307383-00307551 in the japanese context Ewu4nW_FtpU-01404-00307552-00307854 we very often encounter um the whole Ewu4nW_FtpU-01405-00307855-00308039 discourse and also the workings and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01406-00308040-00308382 functions and dynamics of robot sexism Ewu4nW_FtpU-01407-00308383-00308767 so when i listen to your talk and i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01408-00308768-00309006 when when i see the whole production of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01409-00309007-00309079 minder i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01410-00309080-00309334 see that the very male dominated Ewu4nW_FtpU-01411-00309335-00309503 technological world Ewu4nW_FtpU-01412-00309504-00309734 is cooperating with the very male Ewu4nW_FtpU-01413-00309735-00309943 dominated buddhist world Ewu4nW_FtpU-01414-00309944-00310191 and they create an android which is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01415-00310192-00310415 neither woman nor man Ewu4nW_FtpU-01416-00310416-00310727 and she's talking or he is talking Ewu4nW_FtpU-01417-00310728-00311039 about compassion so then we have the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01418-00311040-00311223 japanese society Ewu4nW_FtpU-01419-00311224-00311551 with a huge problem with uh care work Ewu4nW_FtpU-01420-00311552-00311879 when it comes to gender i wondering Ewu4nW_FtpU-01421-00311880-00312206 um what we know that religions play a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01422-00312207-00312343 very important role Ewu4nW_FtpU-01423-00312344-00312719 in gendering roles so i'm wondering if Ewu4nW_FtpU-01424-00312720-00313039 any thoughts on this in this regard on Ewu4nW_FtpU-01425-00313040-00313287 the functions of minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-01426-00313288-00313479 it's very very interesting thank you so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01427-00313480-00313679 much and for bringing it on and it's Ewu4nW_FtpU-01428-00313680-00313799 something i would like Ewu4nW_FtpU-01429-00313800-00314006 and you know i i was supposed to be in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01430-00314007-00314143 japan this semester Ewu4nW_FtpU-01431-00314144-00314447 i couldn't because my i wouldn't really Ewu4nW_FtpU-01432-00314448-00314558 like to talk to the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01433-00314559-00314823 roboticist team about this because of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01434-00314824-00314863 course Ewu4nW_FtpU-01435-00314864-00315206 ishiguro is well known for being in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01436-00315207-00315454 in in one of them in a kind of very uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01437-00315455-00315599 in in in the middle of a lot of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01438-00315600-00315791 controversies and debates when it's come Ewu4nW_FtpU-01439-00315792-00316023 to gender at the robots in particular Ewu4nW_FtpU-01440-00316024-00316295 him and that you know there is erica Ewu4nW_FtpU-01441-00316296-00316575 robert he created right Ewu4nW_FtpU-01442-00316576-00316887 they work in hotel lobbies um so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01443-00316888-00317199 but because again that um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01444-00317200-00317567 the temple really wanted to be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01445-00317568-00317782 completely gender neutral which of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01446-00317783-00317982 course when they have to come to a voice Ewu4nW_FtpU-01447-00317983-00318039 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01448-00318040-00318310 cannot be avoided you know if as much as Ewu4nW_FtpU-01449-00318311-00318534 a computer synthesized voice you they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01450-00318535-00318791 create it it sounds very feminine Ewu4nW_FtpU-01451-00318792-00319047 and and there is this you know in if we Ewu4nW_FtpU-01452-00319048-00319254 know in the japanese tradition canon as Ewu4nW_FtpU-01453-00319255-00319327 a mother and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01454-00319328-00319654 this kind of imagines of canon as well Ewu4nW_FtpU-01455-00319655-00319823 but they didn't came up much in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01456-00319824-00319958 discussion except this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01457-00319959-00320175 constantly repeated that they didn't Ewu4nW_FtpU-01458-00320176-00320287 want to look any Ewu4nW_FtpU-01459-00320288-00320551 engendered at all but then in the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01460-00320552-00320727 viewers comments it came up Ewu4nW_FtpU-01461-00320728-00321023 that it sounded like a woman voice and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01462-00321024-00321279 then they it attributed them with this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01463-00321280-00321543 kindness and and worm and it's Ewu4nW_FtpU-01464-00321544-00321647 stereotyping Ewu4nW_FtpU-01465-00321648-00321958 ideas of femininity uh so that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01466-00321959-00322199 came up in some of the comments uh but Ewu4nW_FtpU-01467-00322200-00322334 also in some of the common they find it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01468-00322335-00322487 was too young to become Ewu4nW_FtpU-01469-00322488-00322734 so that is not a voice that can be for Ewu4nW_FtpU-01470-00322735-00322806 canon Ewu4nW_FtpU-01471-00322807-00323023 which was also quite quite interesting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01472-00323024-00323230 to see but definitely i don't think Ewu4nW_FtpU-01473-00323231-00323343 there's been any Ewu4nW_FtpU-01474-00323344-00323679 exploration yet about gender robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-01475-00323680-00323863 in the religious context there's been Ewu4nW_FtpU-01476-00323864-00324119 you know robertson writing etc but Ewu4nW_FtpU-01477-00324120-00324423 not really looking at the religious one Ewu4nW_FtpU-01478-00324424-00324663 which is definitely something a new Ewu4nW_FtpU-01479-00324664-00324815 avenue to explore Ewu4nW_FtpU-01480-00324816-00325110 so sorry i don't really have much um to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01481-00325111-00325319 say at the moment about that yet so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01482-00325320-00325415 hopefully more Ewu4nW_FtpU-01483-00325416-00325903 to come great thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01484-00325904-00326430 next question is by uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01485-00326431-00326967 the flow is yours hello ma'am Ewu4nW_FtpU-01486-00326968-00327223 my question would be uh ma'am i had come Ewu4nW_FtpU-01487-00327224-00327271 across Ewu4nW_FtpU-01488-00327272-00327639 an article by uh siegel samael Ewu4nW_FtpU-01489-00327640-00327903 who had actually mentioned that uh there Ewu4nW_FtpU-01490-00327904-00327975 are other Ewu4nW_FtpU-01491-00327976-00328158 such uh robots as well in other Ewu4nW_FtpU-01492-00328159-00328391 religions for example in christianity we Ewu4nW_FtpU-01493-00328392-00328503 have bless you too Ewu4nW_FtpU-01494-00328504-00328847 and uh as uh even in china there are Ewu4nW_FtpU-01495-00328848-00329423 there is actually a buddhist robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-01496-00329424-00329663 mantras the buddhist mantras and even in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01497-00329664-00329839 the in hinduism also there have been Ewu4nW_FtpU-01498-00329840-00329943 various robots Ewu4nW_FtpU-01499-00329944-00330127 that have been programmed to conduct Ewu4nW_FtpU-01500-00330128-00330310 parikrama during a puja Ewu4nW_FtpU-01501-00330311-00330671 and other such essentials of the rituals Ewu4nW_FtpU-01502-00330672-00330703 that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01503-00330704-00330951 sometimes especially during the pandemic Ewu4nW_FtpU-01504-00330952-00331134 but ma'am Ewu4nW_FtpU-01505-00331135-00331415 in that article he had mentioned that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01506-00331416-00331534 the objective Ewu4nW_FtpU-01507-00331535-00331967 of doing this was to actually popularize Ewu4nW_FtpU-01508-00331968-00332271 rather than rather than Ewu4nW_FtpU-01509-00332272-00332582 supplement an original priest that is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01510-00332583-00332719 what he had mentioned Ewu4nW_FtpU-01511-00332720-00333119 ma'am do you think that when Ewu4nW_FtpU-01512-00333120-00333367 would you call this to be ai actually Ewu4nW_FtpU-01513-00333368-00333534 because most of the philosophies Ewu4nW_FtpU-01514-00333535-00333678 whatever the robot says is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01515-00333679-00333910 pre-programmed pre-programmed into Ewu4nW_FtpU-01516-00333911-00334151 like a certain responses based on Ewu4nW_FtpU-01517-00334152-00334239 questions Ewu4nW_FtpU-01518-00334240-00334534 uh and uh there is only yes there is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01519-00334535-00334654 only a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01520-00334655-00334910 number of questions that can be answered Ewu4nW_FtpU-01521-00334911-00335039 uh and it does not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01522-00335040-00335375 uh develop on or build on its database Ewu4nW_FtpU-01523-00335376-00335606 based on the questions that it is not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01524-00335607-00335727 prepared for Ewu4nW_FtpU-01525-00335728-00336023 so would you call this uh ai or do you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01526-00336024-00336134 think that this is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01527-00336135-00336471 basically a robot that that is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01528-00336472-00336791 generally uh giving about giving Ewu4nW_FtpU-01529-00336792-00336903 discourse Ewu4nW_FtpU-01530-00336904-00337071 based on what has been pre-programmed Ewu4nW_FtpU-01531-00337072-00337334 into it do you think that is how Ewu4nW_FtpU-01532-00337335-00337519 yeah thank you so much there are two Ewu4nW_FtpU-01533-00337520-00337710 very important important points so one Ewu4nW_FtpU-01534-00337711-00337734 is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01535-00337735-00337887 something i mentioned very briefly Ewu4nW_FtpU-01536-00337888-00338063 because it didn't have much time is of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01537-00338064-00338247 course not just happening in japan there Ewu4nW_FtpU-01538-00338248-00338447 has been several examples Ewu4nW_FtpU-01539-00338448-00338599 in different contexts declining Ewu4nW_FtpU-01540-00338600-00338775 different way of course and with also Ewu4nW_FtpU-01541-00338776-00338934 different reaction Ewu4nW_FtpU-01542-00338935-00339175 um so this is not happening there and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01543-00339176-00339295 your second point Ewu4nW_FtpU-01544-00339296-00339510 yes i think it was my conclusion that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01545-00339511-00339719 but i what i'm also interested is not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01546-00339720-00339863 necessarily how Ewu4nW_FtpU-01547-00339864-00340103 i label something about the people doing Ewu4nW_FtpU-01548-00340104-00340175 it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01549-00340176-00340367 how they call it and the fact that the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01550-00340368-00340582 priests keep using the word ai Ewu4nW_FtpU-01551-00340583-00340871 was interesting to me where at the end Ewu4nW_FtpU-01552-00340872-00340927 like when Ewu4nW_FtpU-01553-00340928-00341134 what followers were saying and you were Ewu4nW_FtpU-01554-00341135-00341375 saying you know it's all inputted at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01555-00341376-00341575 moment so there is is not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01556-00341576-00341895 um you receiving and and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01557-00341896-00342134 data information and then re-elaborating Ewu4nW_FtpU-01558-00342135-00342199 and and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01559-00342200-00342454 reacting or responding of interacting Ewu4nW_FtpU-01560-00342455-00342551 independently Ewu4nW_FtpU-01561-00342552-00342878 is always it's a very staged performance Ewu4nW_FtpU-01562-00342879-00343119 so i think what is interesting to see of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01563-00343120-00343247 the expectations that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01564-00343248-00343495 are still not met they are not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01565-00343496-00343663 attainable at the moment Ewu4nW_FtpU-01566-00343664-00343895 but the fact that they keep referring to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01567-00343896-00344078 it as ai is something that i find Ewu4nW_FtpU-01568-00344079-00344254 interesting because i think they're Ewu4nW_FtpU-01569-00344255-00344471 still referring to the possibility that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01570-00344472-00344623 this can open up Ewu4nW_FtpU-01571-00344624-00344895 even if at the moment they are not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01572-00344896-00344975 possible Ewu4nW_FtpU-01573-00344976-00345327 yet but in the in the mind also of this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01574-00345328-00345423 priest this is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01575-00345424-00345654 you know in his dream that one day you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01576-00345655-00345734 will have Ewu4nW_FtpU-01577-00345735-00345927 the buddha there and you can go and ask Ewu4nW_FtpU-01578-00345928-00346071 question directly Ewu4nW_FtpU-01579-00346072-00346487 or if it was the the historical buddha Ewu4nW_FtpU-01580-00346488-00346727 that you know that is his dream but he's Ewu4nW_FtpU-01581-00346728-00346951 aware that he's still not visible so for Ewu4nW_FtpU-01582-00346952-00347103 the moment we have Ewu4nW_FtpU-01583-00347104-00347399 the canon but this i think it's exactly Ewu4nW_FtpU-01584-00347400-00347615 so for me was quite interesting why they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01585-00347616-00347799 you know the fact that they use the word Ewu4nW_FtpU-01586-00347800-00347975 even if technically Ewu4nW_FtpU-01587-00347976-00348278 it is not uh in in in the sense that you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01588-00348279-00348423 exactly said Ewu4nW_FtpU-01589-00348424-00348710 uh that is it's a pre-programmed stage Ewu4nW_FtpU-01590-00348711-00348830 performance Ewu4nW_FtpU-01591-00348831-00349078 in a sense but then it's also quite Ewu4nW_FtpU-01592-00349079-00349247 interesting that if you use the word Ewu4nW_FtpU-01593-00349248-00349447 then how the people looking at it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01594-00349448-00349710 think that in some of the comments that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01595-00349711-00349934 the android is really looking at them Ewu4nW_FtpU-01596-00349935-00350167 and and is recorded what they say which Ewu4nW_FtpU-01597-00350168-00350367 is actually not happening Ewu4nW_FtpU-01598-00350368-00350623 uh but uh they create also these exp the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01599-00350624-00350830 creation of the sublime is something Ewu4nW_FtpU-01600-00350831-00351015 that i feel very interesting when it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01601-00351016-00351071 took with Ewu4nW_FtpU-01602-00351072-00351399 ai so the creation of expectation uh in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01603-00351400-00351582 in a second Ewu4nW_FtpU-01604-00351583-00351806 and furthermore in this regard in any Ewu4nW_FtpU-01605-00351807-00351927 case in buddhism Ewu4nW_FtpU-01606-00351928-00352254 uh the their uh the metaphysical content Ewu4nW_FtpU-01607-00352255-00352534 concept uh it always aims for moksha Ewu4nW_FtpU-01608-00352535-00352782 which can only be attained by a soul Ewu4nW_FtpU-01609-00352783-00353199 so looking forward to a robot Ewu4nW_FtpU-01610-00353200-00353423 i don't think how much how much would Ewu4nW_FtpU-01611-00353424-00353519 you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01612-00353520-00353678 say that the people are getting a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01613-00353679-00353878 religious fulfillment out of this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01614-00353879-00354263 is does it really can it really fit into Ewu4nW_FtpU-01615-00354264-00354327 buddhism Ewu4nW_FtpU-01616-00354328-00354487 or would you call this religion in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01617-00354488-00354687 itself in which Ewu4nW_FtpU-01618-00354688-00354999 ai can be the religion oh i think this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01619-00355000-00355199 is probably something i cannot answer Ewu4nW_FtpU-01620-00355200-00355263 now Ewu4nW_FtpU-01621-00355264-00355478 and and also i is also i think quite Ewu4nW_FtpU-01622-00355479-00355654 difficult to i will need to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01623-00355655-00355854 talk more to the people to see what kind Ewu4nW_FtpU-01624-00355855-00355991 of fulfillment they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01625-00355992-00356263 they receive through the experience uh i Ewu4nW_FtpU-01626-00356264-00356295 think Ewu4nW_FtpU-01627-00356296-00356495 you know it's the reason why i i'm Ewu4nW_FtpU-01628-00356496-00356599 insisted Ewu4nW_FtpU-01629-00356600-00356943 much more um audience analysis is in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01630-00356944-00357143 in important so much more study of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01631-00357144-00357406 interaction and what kind of the people Ewu4nW_FtpU-01632-00357407-00357751 are going doing and interacting with Ewu4nW_FtpU-01633-00357752-00357799 this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01634-00357800-00358199 uh future in android we will produce to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01635-00358200-00358367 them and what kind of development we Ewu4nW_FtpU-01636-00358368-00358591 could see with this developing a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01637-00358592-00358943 new form of buddhism um or Ewu4nW_FtpU-01638-00358944-00359158 would be just kind of contemplation Ewu4nW_FtpU-01639-00359159-00359351 inside the tradition as we have seen Ewu4nW_FtpU-01640-00359352-00359703 happening all the time right um uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01641-00359704-00359951 in in introducing it to buddhists do no Ewu4nW_FtpU-01642-00359952-00360143 different type of practice Ewu4nW_FtpU-01643-00360144-00360447 and interaction and development so Ewu4nW_FtpU-01644-00360448-00360671 this will be interesting to see at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01645-00360672-00360815 moment is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01646-00360816-00361119 no it's too early to say probably Ewu4nW_FtpU-01647-00361120-00361351 in that sense but yeah thank you so much Ewu4nW_FtpU-01648-00361352-00361527 for your growth Ewu4nW_FtpU-01649-00361528-00361854 thank you thank you thank you very much Ewu4nW_FtpU-01650-00361855-00362175 uh we now have uh one last question Ewu4nW_FtpU-01651-00362176-00362487 uh before closing today's webinar Ewu4nW_FtpU-01652-00362488-00362678 uh written in the chat i'll just read it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01653-00362679-00363030 out by marco ventura Ewu4nW_FtpU-01654-00363031-00363367 it regards minder's hands Ewu4nW_FtpU-01655-00363368-00363671 how is hand contact negotiated as a part Ewu4nW_FtpU-01656-00363672-00363895 of the sensorial experience Ewu4nW_FtpU-01657-00363896-00364206 with or off minder also thinking of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01658-00364207-00364327 importance of hands Ewu4nW_FtpU-01659-00364328-00364743 in the buddha of compassion Ewu4nW_FtpU-01660-00364744-00364991 yeah thank you so much marco for Ewu4nW_FtpU-01661-00364992-00365071 bringing this in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01662-00365072-00365215 because it's something that at the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01663-00365216-00365382 moment you cannot touch Ewu4nW_FtpU-01664-00365383-00365671 a reminder at all uh which is something Ewu4nW_FtpU-01665-00365672-00365782 that some of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01666-00365783-00365991 visitors struggle with at the beginning Ewu4nW_FtpU-01667-00365992-00366110 i think a lot of them Ewu4nW_FtpU-01668-00366111-00366303 want to do well as you touch a statue Ewu4nW_FtpU-01669-00366304-00366527 right and and you know usually you can Ewu4nW_FtpU-01670-00366528-00366615 do it Ewu4nW_FtpU-01671-00366616-00366847 uh at the moment there there cannot be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01672-00366848-00366999 any um Ewu4nW_FtpU-01673-00367000-00367287 touching or dire touching with with Ewu4nW_FtpU-01674-00367288-00367382 minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-01675-00367383-00367567 uh which is quite which is quite Ewu4nW_FtpU-01676-00367568-00367734 interesting and Ewu4nW_FtpU-01677-00367735-00368087 um the the the position of the hand is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01678-00368088-00368127 more Ewu4nW_FtpU-01679-00368128-00368406 is modeling position of the mudra is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01680-00368407-00368495 more about Ewu4nW_FtpU-01681-00368496-00368678 you know that the two position of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01682-00368679-00368919 welcoming you know the kind of open arms Ewu4nW_FtpU-01683-00368920-00369119 and and the prayer position which in a Ewu4nW_FtpU-01684-00369120-00369351 sense are easily identifiable Ewu4nW_FtpU-01685-00369352-00369647 uh in in that in that sense but the kind Ewu4nW_FtpU-01686-00369648-00369703 of more Ewu4nW_FtpU-01687-00369704-00370006 in interaction of touching uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01688-00370007-00370254 is is still not possible which is also Ewu4nW_FtpU-01689-00370255-00370358 something that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01690-00370359-00370582 uh was remarked in in some of the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01691-00370583-00370782 comments of of the viewers that they Ewu4nW_FtpU-01692-00370783-00370982 cannot feel any interaction if there is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01693-00370983-00371015 not Ewu4nW_FtpU-01694-00371016-00371271 really you cannot really go you can go Ewu4nW_FtpU-01695-00371272-00371430 relatively close Ewu4nW_FtpU-01696-00371431-00371727 uh but absolutely you cannot touch uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01697-00371728-00371878 you cannot have this kind of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01698-00371879-00372199 interaction with reminder uh which is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01699-00372200-00372319 something that again Ewu4nW_FtpU-01700-00372320-00372519 is is an interesting definitely a very Ewu4nW_FtpU-01701-00372520-00372758 interesting point to look into Ewu4nW_FtpU-01702-00372759-00373047 in look more into this emotional Ewu4nW_FtpU-01703-00373048-00373206 connection Ewu4nW_FtpU-01704-00373207-00373463 which is actually if we talk about the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01705-00373464-00373671 more effective emotion of robots is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01706-00373672-00373854 usually one of the most important point Ewu4nW_FtpU-01707-00373855-00373982 is the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01708-00373983-00374263 you know detection and reacting uh in in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01709-00374264-00374423 the interaction which is Ewu4nW_FtpU-01710-00374424-00374806 still not been considered at all in in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01711-00374807-00375551 at least in this version of minder Ewu4nW_FtpU-01712-00375552-00375863 so um we've reached the end Ewu4nW_FtpU-01713-00375864-00376158 of today's webinar um erica thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01714-00376159-00376254 very much for this Ewu4nW_FtpU-01715-00376255-00376510 um extremely interesting talk we could Ewu4nW_FtpU-01716-00376511-00376695 go on for hours to Ewu4nW_FtpU-01717-00376696-00376871 discuss this i think what it really Ewu4nW_FtpU-01718-00376872-00377063 nicely brought out was the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01719-00377064-00377382 um uh was how uh Ewu4nW_FtpU-01720-00377383-00377606 in the sense this experience of mind Ewu4nW_FtpU-01721-00377607-00377710 capitalizes Ewu4nW_FtpU-01722-00377711-00378023 upon anticipations of the technology Ewu4nW_FtpU-01723-00378024-00378206 that's not really there yet Ewu4nW_FtpU-01724-00378207-00378423 so that's that but but i think it's Ewu4nW_FtpU-01725-00378424-00378534 precisely these Ewu4nW_FtpU-01726-00378535-00378863 these kinds of anticipation anticipated Ewu4nW_FtpU-01727-00378864-00379182 um or ideas about future technology that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01728-00379183-00379271 somehow mix Ewu4nW_FtpU-01729-00379272-00379630 with real experiences which are very Ewu4nW_FtpU-01730-00379631-00379967 telling about about many of the uses of Ewu4nW_FtpU-01731-00379968-00380295 ai technologies or allegedly Ewu4nW_FtpU-01732-00380296-00380623 ai technologies in religious contexts Ewu4nW_FtpU-01733-00380624-00380919 anyway thank you very much again erica Ewu4nW_FtpU-01734-00380920-00381006 thank you very much Ewu4nW_FtpU-01735-00381007-00381263 to everyone who listened participated in Ewu4nW_FtpU-01736-00381264-00381382 the discussion Ewu4nW_FtpU-01737-00381383-00381751 um our next um our next webinar will be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01738-00381752-00382127 on uh december the hold on the Ewu4nW_FtpU-01739-00382128-00382343 sixth is that right now the ninth Ewu4nW_FtpU-01740-00382344-00382519 wednesday december the ninth Ewu4nW_FtpU-01741-00382520-00382815 um and that will be uh oliver kruger Ewu4nW_FtpU-01742-00382816-00383054 from the university of freiburg Ewu4nW_FtpU-01743-00383055-00383367 and he will um give a talk entitled god Ewu4nW_FtpU-01744-00383368-00383510 the singularity Ewu4nW_FtpU-01745-00383511-00383727 and the transcendent super intelligence Ewu4nW_FtpU-01746-00383728-00383919 philosophical contexts Ewu4nW_FtpU-01747-00383920-00384175 of the transhumanist utopia and that Ewu4nW_FtpU-01748-00384176-00384223 will be Ewu4nW_FtpU-01749-00384224-00384495 the first in a series of three talks Ewu4nW_FtpU-01750-00384496-00384639 that will address Ewu4nW_FtpU-01751-00384640-00385158 um the uh the context of transhumanist Ewu4nW_FtpU-01752-00385159-00385415 transhumanism transhumanist ideology Ewu4nW_FtpU-01753-00385416-00385558 ideas Ewu4nW_FtpU-01754-00385559-00385967 and theory so thank you very much again Ewu4nW_FtpU-01755-00385968-00386278 um and i hope to see you again Ewu4nW_FtpU-01756-00386279-00386543 next week in two weeks time thank you Ewu4nW_FtpU-01757-00386544-00386615 very much Ewu4nW_FtpU-01758-00386616-00386775 thank you for all the comments they were Ewu4nW_FtpU-01759-00386776-00387176 great thank you EzUdFzWlccy-00000-00000159-00001894 [Music] EzUdFzWlccy-00001-00001895-00002047 [Music] EzUdFzWlccy-00002-00002048-00002212 do EzUdFzWlccy-00003-00002213-00004886 [Music] EzUdFzWlccy-00004-00004887-00005735 so EzUdFzWlccy-00005-00005736-00006263 [Music] EzUdFzWlccy-00006-00006264-00006702 do EzUdFzWlccy-00007-00006703-00008207 [Music] EzUdFzWlccy-00008-00008208-00008415 you E-5cNGfQ-7I-00000-00000003-00000254 the RPI engineers are composed of 21 E-5cNGfQ-7I-00001-00000254-00000424 teams representing Rensselaer E-5cNGfQ-7I-00002-00000425-00000655 Polytechnic Institute in intercollegiate E-5cNGfQ-7I-00003-00000656-00000862 athletics including men and women's E-5cNGfQ-7I-00004-00000863-00001115 basketball cross country ice hockey E-5cNGfQ-7I-00005-00001116-00001394 lacrosse soccer swimming and diving E-5cNGfQ-7I-00006-00001395-00001759 tennis and track and field men's sports E-5cNGfQ-7I-00007-00001760-00002001 include baseball football and golf E-5cNGfQ-7I-00008-00002002-00002288 women's sports include field hockey and E-5cNGfQ-7I-00009-00002289-00002387 softball E-5cNGfQ-7I-00010-00002388-00002601 the engineers compete in the NCAA E-5cNGfQ-7I-00011-00002602-00002825 Division three and are members of the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00012-00002826-00003034 Liberty League for all sports except ice E-5cNGfQ-7I-00013-00003035-00003331 hockey which competes in NCAA Division E-5cNGfQ-7I-00014-00003332-00004095 one as a member of ECAC Hockey E-5cNGfQ-7I-00015-00004096-00004815 topic teams E-5cNGfQ-7I-00016-00004816-00004997 you E-5cNGfQ-7I-00017-00004998-00005518 topic history E-5cNGfQ-7I-00018-00005519-00005822 in 1995 the nickname of some of the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00019-00005823-00005993 school's teams was officially changed E-5cNGfQ-7I-00020-00005994-00006161 from the engineers to the Redhawks E-5cNGfQ-7I-00021-00006162-00006378 however the hockey football E-5cNGfQ-7I-00022-00006379-00006608 cross-country tennis and track and field E-5cNGfQ-7I-00023-00006609-00006845 teams all chose to retain the engineers E-5cNGfQ-7I-00024-00006845-00007133 name the Redhawks name was never much E-5cNGfQ-7I-00025-00007134-00007339 liked by the student body a Red Hawk E-5cNGfQ-7I-00026-00007340-00007562 mascot was frequently taunted by fans E-5cNGfQ-7I-00027-00007563-00007766 who threw objects at him and chanted E-5cNGfQ-7I-00028-00007767-00008173 kill the chicken finally in 2009 the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00029-00008175-00008374 nickname was changed back to engineers E-5cNGfQ-7I-00030-00008375-00008689 in contrast the official ice hockey E-5cNGfQ-7I-00031-00008690-00008905 mascot puck man an anthropomorphic E-5cNGfQ-7I-00032-00008906-00009134 hockey puck with an engineer's helmet E-5cNGfQ-7I-00033-00009135-00009469 has always been very popular during the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00034-00009470-00009983 1970s and 1980s one RPI cheer was e to E-5cNGfQ-7I-00035-00009984-00010610 the X by DX e to the X DX cosine secant E-5cNGfQ-7I-00036-00010611-00011384 tangent sine three 14100 59 square root E-5cNGfQ-7I-00037-00011385-00011764 cube root blog of Pi disintegrate them E-5cNGfQ-7I-00038-00011765-00012263 RPI E-5cNGfQ-7I-00039-00012264-00012835 topic lacrosse mens E-5cNGfQ-7I-00040-00012836-00013099 the lacrosse team represented the United E-5cNGfQ-7I-00041-00013100-00013341 States in the 1948 Olympics in London E-5cNGfQ-7I-00042-00013343-00013572 playing to a five to five tie with a E-5cNGfQ-7I-00043-00013574-00013866 British site it won the Wingate Memorial E-5cNGfQ-7I-00044-00013868-00014083 Trophy as National Collegiate champions E-5cNGfQ-7I-00045-00014084-00014506 shared with Virginia in 1952 future NHL E-5cNGfQ-7I-00046-00014507-00014722 head coach Ned Harkness coached the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00047-00014722-00014938 lacrosse and ice hockey teams winning E-5cNGfQ-7I-00048-00014938-00015655 national championships in both sports E-5cNGfQ-7I-00049-00015656-00016166 topic baseball E-5cNGfQ-7I-00050-00016166-00016391 the engineers baseball squad is E-5cNGfQ-7I-00051-00016392-00016544 perennial II atop the Liberty League E-5cNGfQ-7I-00052-00016545-00016748 standings and has seen eight players E-5cNGfQ-7I-00053-00016749-00016889 move on to the professional ranks E-5cNGfQ-7I-00054-00016890-00017135 including four players selected in the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00055-00017136-00017537 MLB Draft no RPI engineer has played in E-5cNGfQ-7I-00056-00017538-00017726 the majors but Dave Lohrman and bill E-5cNGfQ-7I-00057-00017727-00018026 Schneider who were both drafted in 1997 E-5cNGfQ-7I-00058-00018027-00018287 made it as far as triple-a ball the team E-5cNGfQ-7I-00059-00018288-00018686 is coached by Carl Stefan Ithaca 78 the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00060-00018687-00018872 engineers play their home games at the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00061-00018873-00019478 historic Robison field E-5cNGfQ-7I-00062-00019479-00020046 topic American football E-5cNGfQ-7I-00063-00020047-00020317 American rugby was played on campus in E-5cNGfQ-7I-00064-00020318-00020583 the late 1870s intercollegiate football E-5cNGfQ-7I-00065-00020584-00020958 began as late as 1886 when an RPI team E-5cNGfQ-7I-00066-00020959-00021166 first played a union college team on a E-5cNGfQ-7I-00067-00021167-00021405 leased field in West Troy Watervliet E-5cNGfQ-7I-00068-00021406-00021814 since 1903 RPI and nearby Union have E-5cNGfQ-7I-00069-00021815-00022024 been rivals in football making it the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00070-00022025-00022305 oldest such rivalry in the state the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00071-00022306-00022462 teams have played for the Dutchman's E-5cNGfQ-7I-00072-00022463-00022804 shoes since 1950 our p i-- football had E-5cNGfQ-7I-00073-00022805-00023062 their most successful season in 2003 E-5cNGfQ-7I-00074-00023063-00023311 when they finished 11 to 2 and lost to E-5cNGfQ-7I-00075-00023312-00023569 st. john's men in the NCAA Division E-5cNGfQ-7I-00076-00023570-00024249 three semifinal game E-5cNGfQ-7I-00077-00024250-00024835 topic athletic facilities E-5cNGfQ-7I-00078-00024836-00025201 the Houston field house is a 4700 80 E-5cNGfQ-7I-00079-00025202-00025432 seat multi-purpose arena located on the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00080-00025433-00025855 rpi campus it opened in 1949 and is home E-5cNGfQ-7I-00081-00025856-00026074 to the RPI engineers men's and women's E-5cNGfQ-7I-00082-00026075-00026392 ice hockey teams the field house was E-5cNGfQ-7I-00083-00026393-00026664 renovated starting in 2007 as part of E-5cNGfQ-7I-00084-00026666-00026875 the major campus improvement project to E-5cNGfQ-7I-00085-00026876-00027069 build the East Campus athletic village E-5cNGfQ-7I-00086-00027070-00027355 the renovations included locker rooms E-5cNGfQ-7I-00087-00027356-00027550 upgrades addition of a new weight room E-5cNGfQ-7I-00088-00027551-00027769 and a new special reception room E-5cNGfQ-7I-00089-00027770-00028072 dedicated to Ned Harkness additionally E-5cNGfQ-7I-00090-00028073-00028249 as part of the renovations through a E-5cNGfQ-7I-00091-00028250-00028447 government grant solar panels were E-5cNGfQ-7I-00092-00028448-00028657 installed on the roof to supply power to E-5cNGfQ-7I-00093-00028658-00028897 the building as part of the Rensselaer E-5cNGfQ-7I-00094-00028898-00029179 plan the Institute recently completed a E-5cNGfQ-7I-00095-00029180-00029383 major project to improve its athletic E-5cNGfQ-7I-00096-00029383-00029605 facilities with the East Campus athletic E-5cNGfQ-7I-00097-00029606-00029839 village the plan included construction E-5cNGfQ-7I-00098-00029839-00030223 of a new and much larger 4840 two-seat E-5cNGfQ-7I-00099-00030224-00030466 football stadium a basketball arena with E-5cNGfQ-7I-00100-00030467-00030832 seating for 1,200 a new 50 meter pool an E-5cNGfQ-7I-00101-00030833-00031066 indoor track and field complex new E-5cNGfQ-7I-00102-00031067-00031302 tennis courts new weight rooms in a new E-5cNGfQ-7I-00103-00031304-00031588 Sports Medicine Center the Institute E-5cNGfQ-7I-00104-00031589-00031920 broke ground on August 26 2007 and E-5cNGfQ-7I-00105-00031922-00032077 construction of the first phase is E-5cNGfQ-7I-00106-00032077-00032437 expected to last two years the estimated E-5cNGfQ-7I-00107-00032438-00032662 cost of the project is 78 million E-5cNGfQ-7I-00108-00032663-00033031 dollars for phase one and $35 to $45 E-5cNGfQ-7I-00109-00033032-00033165 million for Phase two E-5cNGfQ-7I-00110-00033166-00033403 since the completion of the new stadium E-5cNGfQ-7I-00111-00033404-00033595 the bleachers on the Class of 86 E-5cNGfQ-7I-00112-00033596-00033829 football field on the central campus E-5cNGfQ-7I-00113-00033830-00033988 have been removed and the field has E-5cNGfQ-7I-00114-00033989-00034279 become an open space in the future the E-5cNGfQ-7I-00115-00034280-00034483 new space could be used for expansions E-5cNGfQ-7I-00116-00034484-00034684 of the academic buildings but for now E-5cNGfQ-7I-00117-00034685-00034858 members of the campus planning team E-5cNGfQ-7I-00118-00034859-00035059 foresee a historic landscape with E-5cNGfQ-7I-00119-00035060-00035260 different paths and access ways for E-5cNGfQ-7I-00120-00035261-00035599 students and vehicles alike E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00000-00000038-00000364 SSK Industries Inc is an American E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00001-00000365-00000572 designer and manufacturer of guns and E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00002-00000573-00000835 accessories in winters ville Ohio E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00003-00000836-00001244 founded in 1977 the company is known for E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00004-00001245-00001460 its custom contender and encore barrels E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00005-00001461-00001751 started by hunter and gun enthusiast JD E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00006-00001752-00002026 Jones SSK Industries was begun to E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00007-00002027-00002282 manufacture and market specific products E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00008-00002283-00002456 related to hunting handguns and E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00009-00002457-00002752 ammunition it has grown to a company E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00010-00002753-00002933 that makes hundreds of different types E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00011-00002934-00004226 of rounds topic notable product SSK has E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00012-00004227-00004418 produced the largest center fire rifle E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00013-00004419-00004797 in history the point nine five zero JD J E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00014-00004798-00005126 it is a point nine five zero caliber E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00015-00005127-00005342 which produces recoil equivalent to E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00016-00005343-00005726 shooting ten 3006 rifles at the same E-Dyx5OJvqQ-00017-00005727-00005960 time E_nZYI-SBwM-00000-00001132-00001519 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00001-00001520-00001810 dad you're here it's good to see you man E_nZYI-SBwM-00002-00001811-00001976 haven't seen you in hours E_nZYI-SBwM-00003-00001977-00002727 good night E_nZYI-SBwM-00004-00002728-00004693 give me a minute E_nZYI-SBwM-00005-00004694-00004990 hello and better prepared E_nZYI-SBwM-00006-00004991-00005921 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00007-00005922-00008566 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00008-00008567-00009361 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00009-00009362-00009957 Hey E_nZYI-SBwM-00010-00009958-00010152 [Applause] E_nZYI-SBwM-00011-00010153-00010727 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00012-00010728-00011027 happy birthday dear E_nZYI-SBwM-00013-00011028-00011173 [Applause] E_nZYI-SBwM-00014-00011174-00011802 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00015-00011803-00012405 [Applause] E_nZYI-SBwM-00016-00012406-00013628 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00017-00013629-00013794 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00018-00013795-00014103 three guys don't if you win at baseball E_nZYI-SBwM-00019-00014104-00015390 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00020-00015391-00016427 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00021-00016428-00016896 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00022-00016897-00017435 [Laughter] E_nZYI-SBwM-00023-00017436-00017611 yeah E_nZYI-SBwM-00024-00017612-00019464 I love it how I could barely make it E_nZYI-SBwM-00025-00019465-00019788 through here E_nZYI-SBwM-00026-00019789-00020563 [Music] E_nZYI-SBwM-00027-00020564-00021060 conversations continue E_nZYI-SBwM-00028-00021061-00023989 [Laughter] E_nZYI-SBwM-00029-00023990-00025902 time time time hello hello okay you can E_nZYI-SBwM-00030-00025902-00026044 touch this E_nZYI-SBwM-00031-00026045-00026463 hey guys how was your night E_GedJnqJRE-00000-00000152-00000342 well thank you rudy E_GedJnqJRE-00001-00000343-00000559 i would again like to welcome all of you E_GedJnqJRE-00002-00000560-00000726 to this open session of the national E_GedJnqJRE-00003-00000727-00000894 advisory council for human genome E_GedJnqJRE-00004-00000896-00001023 research E_GedJnqJRE-00005-00001024-00001383 as uh you might be able to tell E_GedJnqJRE-00006-00001384-00001591 we still find ourselves in a pandemic E_GedJnqJRE-00007-00001592-00001830 related situation in which i must give E_GedJnqJRE-00008-00001832-00002118 my director's report sitting all alone E_GedJnqJRE-00009-00002119-00002431 in my conference room um and uh E_GedJnqJRE-00010-00002432-00002623 consistent with the past two plus years E_GedJnqJRE-00011-00002624-00002767 we're just gonna have to make the best E_GedJnqJRE-00012-00002768-00002991 of it but hopefully these things shall E_GedJnqJRE-00013-00002992-00003087 change E_GedJnqJRE-00014-00003088-00003351 uh as with the rest of my uh of the open E_GedJnqJRE-00015-00003352-00003486 session my director's report E_GedJnqJRE-00016-00003488-00003670 presentation is being videotaped as you E_GedJnqJRE-00017-00003671-00003831 just heard and that recording will be E_GedJnqJRE-00018-00003832-00004151 made available as a permanent archive on E_GedJnqJRE-00019-00004152-00004535 nhgri's website genome.gov E_GedJnqJRE-00020-00004536-00004686 for those of you who are not familiar E_GedJnqJRE-00021-00004687-00004838 with my director's report which is now a E_GedJnqJRE-00022-00004839-00005143 fairly well oiled machine um i want to E_GedJnqJRE-00023-00005144-00005359 make you aware of an electronic resource E_GedJnqJRE-00024-00005360-00005551 that we put together in the week E_GedJnqJRE-00025-00005552-00005806 preceding uh council meetings each time E_GedJnqJRE-00026-00005807-00005943 it's analogous to a supplemental E_GedJnqJRE-00027-00005944-00006167 material section of a published paper E_GedJnqJRE-00028-00006168-00006463 you can access the current resource at E_GedJnqJRE-00029-00006464-00006655 the url shown at the bottom E_GedJnqJRE-00030-00006656-00006798 the slides i'm going to show throughout E_GedJnqJRE-00031-00006800-00007006 my directors report are also available E_GedJnqJRE-00032-00007008-00007327 at this site for download either in pdf E_GedJnqJRE-00033-00007328-00007527 or powerpoint formats E_GedJnqJRE-00034-00007528-00007687 and then when there's a relevant E_GedJnqJRE-00035-00007688-00007959 document number such as a website or a E_GedJnqJRE-00036-00007959-00008095 particular document that you might want E_GedJnqJRE-00037-00008095-00008271 to download associated with the slide we E_GedJnqJRE-00038-00008272-00008478 always indicate that with a little E_GedJnqJRE-00039-00008479-00008742 number at the very bottom right E_GedJnqJRE-00040-00008743-00009006 and um you can simply access that uh E_GedJnqJRE-00041-00009007-00009271 view the the the website or download the E_GedJnqJRE-00042-00009272-00009519 document at this dedicated website and E_GedJnqJRE-00043-00009520-00009671 all these materials and this entire E_GedJnqJRE-00044-00009672-00009895 website is also being permanently E_GedJnqJRE-00045-00009896-00010159 archived on genome.gov as part of the E_GedJnqJRE-00046-00010160-00010559 historic record of this council meeting E_GedJnqJRE-00047-00010560-00010663 now there's going to be a number of E_GedJnqJRE-00048-00010664-00010855 other presentations as always during the E_GedJnqJRE-00049-00010856-00011063 open session of this council meeting E_GedJnqJRE-00050-00011064-00011246 my director's report will deliberately E_GedJnqJRE-00051-00011247-00011446 try not to have too much redundancy with E_GedJnqJRE-00052-00011447-00011599 topics that are going to be otherwise E_GedJnqJRE-00053-00011600-00011719 covered E_GedJnqJRE-00054-00011720-00011895 we will have a guest joining us E_GedJnqJRE-00055-00011896-00012078 immediately following my director's E_GedJnqJRE-00056-00012079-00012391 report a relatively new institute E_GedJnqJRE-00057-00012392-00012551 director shannon zink who is the E_GedJnqJRE-00058-00012552-00012815 director of nih's national institute of E_GedJnqJRE-00059-00012816-00013030 nursing research will be here to speak E_GedJnqJRE-00060-00013031-00013207 about the future of nursing research E_GedJnqJRE-00061-00013208-00013447 innovation collaboration and impact E_GedJnqJRE-00062-00013447-00013622 and after that we'll be joined by E_GedJnqJRE-00063-00013623-00013975 another um uh guest um marie bernard E_GedJnqJRE-00064-00013976-00014238 who's nih's chief officer for scientific E_GedJnqJRE-00065-00014240-00014383 workforce diversity and she's going to E_GedJnqJRE-00066-00014384-00014591 be here to talk about a chief officer E_GedJnqJRE-00067-00014591-00014807 for scientific workforce diversity E_GedJnqJRE-00068-00014808-00014951 update E_GedJnqJRE-00069-00014952-00015166 uh we then will turn our attention to E_GedJnqJRE-00070-00015168-00015430 business for the council to help us with E_GedJnqJRE-00071-00015431-00015647 and so that's going to start first with E_GedJnqJRE-00072-00015647-00015886 two concept clearances uh that will be E_GedJnqJRE-00073-00015887-00016143 presented by nhgri extramural program E_GedJnqJRE-00074-00016144-00016415 directors first ebony baden will give a E_GedJnqJRE-00075-00016416-00016655 presentation on a concept clearance on E_GedJnqJRE-00076-00016656-00016950 diversity genome research centers E_GedJnqJRE-00077-00016951-00017175 and second chris wellington joined by E_GedJnqJRE-00078-00017176-00017343 ken wiley will present a concept E_GedJnqJRE-00079-00017344-00017535 clearance on the analysis visualization E_GedJnqJRE-00080-00017536-00017935 and informatics lab space for anvil E_GedJnqJRE-00081-00017936-00018103 program E_GedJnqJRE-00082-00018104-00018430 and lastly judy cho who is a director of E_GedJnqJRE-00083-00018431-00018630 the charles brofman institute for E_GedJnqJRE-00084-00018631-00018847 personalized medicine at the icon school E_GedJnqJRE-00085-00018848-00019022 of medicine at mount sinai will give a E_GedJnqJRE-00086-00019023-00019303 workshop report about future directions E_GedJnqJRE-00087-00019304-00019543 in genomics and health equity E_GedJnqJRE-00088-00019544-00019719 so E_GedJnqJRE-00089-00019720-00019975 with that as a backdrop for what you can E_GedJnqJRE-00090-00019976-00020214 expect for the rest of the open session E_GedJnqJRE-00091-00020215-00020350 let me now turn my attention to the E_GedJnqJRE-00092-00020351-00020630 director's report and these seven major E_GedJnqJRE-00093-00020631-00020958 areas that we've organized my slides as E_GedJnqJRE-00094-00020959-00021158 a framework for the topics i want to E_GedJnqJRE-00095-00021159-00021286 cover we're going to first start off E_GedJnqJRE-00096-00021287-00021758 with some general nhgri updates E_GedJnqJRE-00097-00021759-00021919 and i will start with something truly E_GedJnqJRE-00098-00021920-00022199 remarkable last month one of nhgri's E_GedJnqJRE-00099-00022200-00022383 founding staff members and current E_GedJnqJRE-00100-00022384-00022599 leaders betty graham who serves as the E_GedJnqJRE-00101-00022600-00022807 director of the institute's division of E_GedJnqJRE-00102-00022808-00023078 extramural operations reached a truly E_GedJnqJRE-00103-00023079-00023278 remarkable milestone E_GedJnqJRE-00104-00023279-00023686 50 together 5-0 50 years of service in E_GedJnqJRE-00105-00023687-00023847 the federal government E_GedJnqJRE-00106-00023848-00024030 now betty has been a member of the nhra E_GedJnqJRE-00107-00024031-00024222 extramural research program since its E_GedJnqJRE-00108-00024223-00024455 inception being deeply woven into the E_GedJnqJRE-00109-00024456-00024694 fabric of all aspects of nhri's E_GedJnqJRE-00110-00024695-00024927 extramural operations E_GedJnqJRE-00111-00024928-00025150 that he was the third employee to join E_GedJnqJRE-00112-00025151-00025358 the then name national center for human E_GedJnqJRE-00113-00025359-00025711 genome research in 1989 her experience E_GedJnqJRE-00114-00025712-00025911 and wisdom about all things related to E_GedJnqJRE-00115-00025912-00026118 nih are deeply respected by her E_GedJnqJRE-00116-00026119-00026367 colleagues both inside and outside of E_GedJnqJRE-00117-00026368-00026502 nhgri E_GedJnqJRE-00118-00026504-00026718 she has a wealth of knowledge especially E_GedJnqJRE-00119-00026719-00026943 about the intricacies of nih program E_GedJnqJRE-00120-00026944-00027183 management if that was not impressive E_GedJnqJRE-00121-00027183-00027455 enough that he's a decorated fencer E_GedJnqJRE-00122-00027456-00027631 having won multiple medals on the E_GedJnqJRE-00123-00027632-00027911 veteran world epi team and taking home a E_GedJnqJRE-00124-00027912-00028135 national epi individual bronze medal in E_GedJnqJRE-00125-00028136-00028302 2016. E_GedJnqJRE-00126-00028304-00028527 betty graham is a truly dedicated E_GedJnqJRE-00127-00028527-00028799 remarkably competent and overwhelmingly E_GedJnqJRE-00128-00028800-00029118 generous individual and nhgri has been E_GedJnqJRE-00129-00029119-00029302 fortunate to have her within our ranks E_GedJnqJRE-00130-00029304-00029455 including our leadership ranks for many E_GedJnqJRE-00131-00029456-00029639 years and the federal government has E_GedJnqJRE-00132-00029639-00029839 been fortunate to have her as part of E_GedJnqJRE-00133-00029839-00029999 the federal workforce for the for the E_GedJnqJRE-00134-00030000-00030239 past 50 years oh by the way 50 years and E_GedJnqJRE-00135-00030239-00030462 counting so thank you betty for E_GedJnqJRE-00136-00030463-00030774 everything that you do E_GedJnqJRE-00137-00030775-00030935 tina gatlin who E_GedJnqJRE-00138-00030936-00031143 until this past march was an extra E_GedJnqJRE-00139-00031144-00031343 program director in nhgri's division of E_GedJnqJRE-00140-00031344-00031535 genome sciences is now a program E_GedJnqJRE-00141-00031536-00031687 director in the national institute of E_GedJnqJRE-00142-00031688-00031862 biomedical imaging and biomed and E_GedJnqJRE-00143-00031863-00032031 bioengineering's division of E_GedJnqJRE-00144-00032032-00032239 interdisciplinary training E_GedJnqJRE-00145-00032239-00032527 in our over decade-long career at nhri E_GedJnqJRE-00146-00032527-00032735 tina managed a portfolio of grants E_GedJnqJRE-00147-00032736-00032943 focused on training genome sciences and E_GedJnqJRE-00148-00032944-00033174 proteomics she also served as one of the E_GedJnqJRE-00149-00033175-00033374 working group coordinators for the nih E_GedJnqJRE-00150-00033375-00033631 common fund protein capture reagents E_GedJnqJRE-00151-00033632-00033751 program E_GedJnqJRE-00152-00033752-00033927 over the last several years tina was the E_GedJnqJRE-00153-00033928-00034087 lead training program director for E_GedJnqJRE-00154-00034088-00034311 efforts focused on genome sciences and E_GedJnqJRE-00155-00034312-00034518 in that role she developed and fostered E_GedJnqJRE-00156-00034519-00034759 several nhgri initiatives centered on E_GedJnqJRE-00157-00034760-00034918 around promoting career opportunities E_GedJnqJRE-00158-00034919-00035167 for trainees and advancing a diverse E_GedJnqJRE-00159-00035168-00035367 biomedical workforce E_GedJnqJRE-00160-00035368-00035559 we're grateful to tina for her many E_GedJnqJRE-00161-00035560-00035807 contributions to nhgri and the nih E_GedJnqJRE-00162-00035808-00036030 common fund and we wish her much success E_GedJnqJRE-00163-00036031-00036230 as she continues her work in training E_GedJnqJRE-00164-00036231-00036743 and career development E_GedJnqJRE-00165-00036744-00036855 in march E_GedJnqJRE-00166-00036856-00037239 alexander or zander arguio joined nhgri E_GedJnqJRE-00167-00037240-00037407 as an extramural program director in the E_GedJnqJRE-00168-00037408-00037623 division of genome sciences he oversees E_GedJnqJRE-00169-00037624-00037846 an investigator-initiated portfolio in E_GedJnqJRE-00170-00037847-00038079 genomic variation population genetics E_GedJnqJRE-00171-00038080-00038279 and statistical genetics E_GedJnqJRE-00172-00038280-00038527 he is also part of the nhgri program E_GedJnqJRE-00173-00038528-00038751 leadership teams for the human genome E_GedJnqJRE-00174-00038752-00038959 reference program and the developmental E_GedJnqJRE-00175-00038960-00039283 genotype tissue expression or dg text E_GedJnqJRE-00176-00039284-00039535 initiative zander came to nhri from the E_GedJnqJRE-00177-00039536-00039711 national institute of mental health E_GedJnqJRE-00178-00039712-00039871 where he was part of the program E_GedJnqJRE-00179-00039872-00040071 leadership team E_GedJnqJRE-00180-00040072-00040302 um for the psych encode consortium an E_GedJnqJRE-00181-00040303-00040567 oversource portfolio of awards in E_GedJnqJRE-00182-00040568-00040695 functional genomics as well as E_GedJnqJRE-00183-00040696-00040871 statistical and computational methods E_GedJnqJRE-00184-00040872-00041015 development E_GedJnqJRE-00185-00041016-00041302 now prior to coming to nih zander was a E_GedJnqJRE-00186-00041303-00041535 senior scientific editor at nature E_GedJnqJRE-00187-00041536-00041871 neuroscience E_GedJnqJRE-00188-00041872-00042079 now late last year and this year i E_GedJnqJRE-00189-00042080-00042343 established the office of genomic data E_GedJnqJRE-00190-00042344-00042727 science or ogds within the nhgri office E_GedJnqJRE-00191-00042728-00042862 of the director E_GedJnqJRE-00192-00042863-00043087 more recently we established the initial E_GedJnqJRE-00193-00043088-00043407 staffing for this new office E_GedJnqJRE-00194-00043408-00043583 first chris wellington has joined the E_GedJnqJRE-00195-00043584-00043758 office as a computational genomics and E_GedJnqJRE-00196-00043759-00043990 data science program director and the E_GedJnqJRE-00197-00043991-00044255 new co-lead for the nhgri genomic data E_GedJnqJRE-00198-00044256-00044430 science analysis visualization E_GedJnqJRE-00199-00044431-00044774 informatics lab space or anvil program E_GedJnqJRE-00200-00044775-00044918 chris will continue to serve as the E_GedJnqJRE-00201-00044919-00045095 point of contact for the genomic E_GedJnqJRE-00202-00045096-00045495 community resources g24 identity u24 E_GedJnqJRE-00203-00045496-00045695 funding opportunity announcement and as E_GedJnqJRE-00204-00045696-00045871 a program director for the genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00205-00045872-00046087 research to elucidate the genetics of E_GedJnqJRE-00206-00046088-00046495 rare diseases or gregor consortium E_GedJnqJRE-00207-00046496-00046823 next sure jose also joined the office as E_GedJnqJRE-00208-00046824-00046974 a computational genomics and data E_GedJnqJRE-00209-00046975-00047215 science program director and serves as a E_GedJnqJRE-00210-00047216-00047471 coordinator for the nih common fund E_GedJnqJRE-00211-00047472-00047671 bridge to artificial intelligence or E_GedJnqJRE-00212-00047672-00047911 bridge to ai program E_GedJnqJRE-00213-00047912-00048127 sergio focuses on artificial E_GedJnqJRE-00214-00048128-00048335 intelligence and genomics workforce E_GedJnqJRE-00215-00048336-00048535 development diversity equity and E_GedJnqJRE-00216-00048536-00048711 inclusion activities E_GedJnqJRE-00217-00048712-00048911 he also supports training and outreach E_GedJnqJRE-00218-00048912-00049102 for the anvil program and is leading the E_GedJnqJRE-00219-00049103-00049327 educational hub for enhancing diversity E_GedJnqJRE-00220-00049328-00049543 in computational genomics and data E_GedJnqJRE-00221-00049544-00049911 science E_GedJnqJRE-00222-00049912-00050207 assaya yulin is now serving as the nih E_GedJnqJRE-00223-00050208-00050502 data and technology advancement or data E_GedJnqJRE-00224-00050503-00050671 scholar in the office E_GedJnqJRE-00225-00050672-00050911 in this role she supports the nih cloud E_GedJnqJRE-00226-00050912-00051287 platform interoperability effort or ncpi E_GedJnqJRE-00227-00051288-00051430 and focuses on development E_GedJnqJRE-00228-00051432-00051582 implementation and adoption of E_GedJnqJRE-00229-00051583-00052142 ontologies data models and standards E_GedJnqJRE-00230-00052144-00052270 and lastly E_GedJnqJRE-00231-00052271-00052423 elena ganon E_GedJnqJRE-00232-00052424-00052630 serves as the policy advisor for the E_GedJnqJRE-00233-00052632-00052807 data science and sharing within the E_GedJnqJRE-00234-00052808-00053015 office and in this role elena leads E_GedJnqJRE-00235-00053016-00053271 nhgri's scientific data sharing policy E_GedJnqJRE-00236-00053272-00053550 development oversight and implementation E_GedJnqJRE-00237-00053551-00053823 she also works with nih staff extramural E_GedJnqJRE-00238-00053824-00054087 grantees and international partners on E_GedJnqJRE-00239-00054088-00054423 data sharing and privacy policy issues E_GedJnqJRE-00240-00054424-00054550 and keep in mind that all these E_GedJnqJRE-00241-00054551-00054823 individuals in this office are E_GedJnqJRE-00242-00054824-00055023 under the leadership of the head of the E_GedJnqJRE-00243-00055024-00055159 office the director of the office E_GedJnqJRE-00244-00055160-00055542 valentina defrancesca E_GedJnqJRE-00245-00055544-00055847 moving on the nhgri training diversity E_GedJnqJRE-00246-00055848-00056135 and health equity or tied office E_GedJnqJRE-00247-00056136-00056319 another one of the relatively new E_GedJnqJRE-00248-00056320-00056519 offices within the nhri office of the E_GedJnqJRE-00249-00056520-00056775 director hosted a virtual workshop last E_GedJnqJRE-00250-00056776-00056991 month entitled future directions in E_GedJnqJRE-00251-00056991-00057319 genomics and health equity research E_GedJnqJRE-00252-00057320-00057494 the workshop's goal was to identify E_GedJnqJRE-00253-00057495-00057654 research gaps and opportunities that E_GedJnqJRE-00254-00057655-00057823 could help address health disparities E_GedJnqJRE-00255-00057824-00058103 and improve health equity in genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00256-00058104-00058430 and over 300 participants attended the E_GedJnqJRE-00257-00058432-00058591 workshop which included a series of E_GedJnqJRE-00258-00058591-00058863 presentations and panels and breakout E_GedJnqJRE-00259-00058864-00059015 groups on topics such as moving from E_GedJnqJRE-00260-00059016-00059199 health disparities to health equity and E_GedJnqJRE-00261-00059200-00059415 genomics current research and genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00262-00059416-00059630 and health equity and structural factors E_GedJnqJRE-00263-00059632-00059823 needed to support genomics and health E_GedJnqJRE-00264-00059824-00059975 equity research E_GedJnqJRE-00265-00059976-00060126 and the workshop report and video E_GedJnqJRE-00266-00060127-00060326 recording is available on nhgri's E_GedJnqJRE-00267-00060327-00060606 website genome.gov and also you'll hear E_GedJnqJRE-00268-00060607-00060838 more details about this workshop from E_GedJnqJRE-00269-00060839-00061199 judy cho later in this open session of E_GedJnqJRE-00270-00061200-00061654 today's council meeting E_GedJnqJRE-00271-00061655-00061894 i hope all of you heard about the E_GedJnqJRE-00272-00061895-00062182 remarkable advance reported in april of E_GedJnqJRE-00273-00062183-00062454 this year when the telomere to telomere E_GedJnqJRE-00274-00062455-00062775 or t2t consortium published the first E_GedJnqJRE-00275-00062776-00062982 complete gapless sequence of a human E_GedJnqJRE-00276-00062983-00063247 genome roughly two decades after the E_GedJnqJRE-00277-00063248-00063454 human genome project produced the first E_GedJnqJRE-00278-00063455-00063703 draft human genome sequence E_GedJnqJRE-00279-00063704-00063942 this remarkable scientific achievement E_GedJnqJRE-00280-00063944-00064175 reflected a joint effort that involved E_GedJnqJRE-00281-00064176-00064326 the leadership E_GedJnqJRE-00282-00064327-00064542 of investigators supported by both E_GedJnqJRE-00283-00064544-00064863 nhgri's extramural research program and E_GedJnqJRE-00284-00064864-00065111 our intramural research program E_GedJnqJRE-00285-00065112-00065342 and the nhgri office of communications E_GedJnqJRE-00286-00065344-00065503 took the lead in communicating this E_GedJnqJRE-00287-00065504-00065671 historic achievement to the press and E_GedJnqJRE-00288-00065672-00065894 the public and the announcement was a E_GedJnqJRE-00289-00065895-00066191 culmination of nearly a year of planning E_GedJnqJRE-00290-00066192-00066447 between nhgri communications staff and E_GedJnqJRE-00291-00066448-00066750 dozens of t2t consortium researchers E_GedJnqJRE-00292-00066751-00066950 university and institutional E_GedJnqJRE-00293-00066951-00067175 communications offices and members of E_GedJnqJRE-00294-00067176-00067438 the press and public E_GedJnqJRE-00295-00067439-00067735 the success of these collective efforts E_GedJnqJRE-00296-00067736-00067959 are really nicely represented by various E_GedJnqJRE-00297-00067960-00068247 outcomes for example between march 31st E_GedJnqJRE-00298-00068248-00068567 and august and april 3rd nhgri and t2t E_GedJnqJRE-00299-00068568-00068719 received mentions E_GedJnqJRE-00300-00068720-00069038 in 1074 news articles that collectively E_GedJnqJRE-00301-00069039-00069367 have a circulation of 998 million unique E_GedJnqJRE-00302-00069368-00069559 visitors per month E_GedJnqJRE-00303-00069560-00069823 nhgri's website gmail.gov received more E_GedJnqJRE-00304-00069824-00070094 than 13 000 page views of the news E_GedJnqJRE-00305-00070095-00070455 release and over 7 800 page views of the E_GedJnqJRE-00306-00070456-00070838 t2t landing page and over 5600 page E_GedJnqJRE-00307-00070839-00070959 views E_GedJnqJRE-00308-00070960-00071287 on a web profile of nhgri intramural E_GedJnqJRE-00309-00071288-00071526 investigator adam felipe who was one of E_GedJnqJRE-00310-00071527-00071862 the co-chairs of the t2t consortium E_GedJnqJRE-00311-00071863-00072071 so this was a raging success both E_GedJnqJRE-00312-00072072-00072319 scientifically and in terms of capturing E_GedJnqJRE-00313-00072320-00072494 a lot of attention by the press and the E_GedJnqJRE-00314-00072495-00072662 general public E_GedJnqJRE-00315-00072663-00072950 and part of this was nhgri's twitter E_GedJnqJRE-00316-00072951-00073231 account at genome underscore gov which E_GedJnqJRE-00317-00073232-00073519 received over 80 million appearances on E_GedJnqJRE-00318-00073520-00073719 people's twitter feeds more than 3 E_GedJnqJRE-00319-00073720-00073935 million views for our nhra account over E_GedJnqJRE-00320-00073936-00074150 the past 30 days which is by the way a E_GedJnqJRE-00321-00074151-00074431 record high and over 50 000 views for a E_GedJnqJRE-00322-00074432-00074823 special t2t animation E_GedJnqJRE-00323-00074824-00075038 in addition i wrote a commentary that E_GedJnqJRE-00324-00075039-00075223 was published in scientific american E_GedJnqJRE-00325-00075224-00075399 about completing the human genome E_GedJnqJRE-00326-00075400-00075567 sequence again E_GedJnqJRE-00327-00075568-00075726 which was featured on the scientific E_GedJnqJRE-00328-00075727-00075919 american homepage and received a shout E_GedJnqJRE-00329-00075920-00076071 out from scientific american E_GedJnqJRE-00330-00076072-00076326 editor-in-chief laura hellmuth as a E_GedJnqJRE-00331-00076327-00076559 quote fascinating and fun what does it E_GedJnqJRE-00332-00076560-00076862 all means peace on today's big t2t E_GedJnqJRE-00333-00076863-00077303 announcement and a quote E_GedJnqJRE-00334-00077304-00077823 so moving on to some general nih updates E_GedJnqJRE-00335-00077824-00078119 first this guy boomerang francis E_GedJnqJRE-00336-00078120-00078311 recall that at the february council E_GedJnqJRE-00337-00078312-00078582 meeting i reported that francis collins E_GedJnqJRE-00338-00078583-00078831 had boomeranged back to nhgri on a E_GedJnqJRE-00339-00078832-00079103 full-time basis as a senior investigator E_GedJnqJRE-00340-00079104-00079311 in our intramural research program E_GedJnqJRE-00341-00079312-00079479 following his remarkable greater than E_GedJnqJRE-00342-00079480-00079750 12-year tenure as the nih director so he E_GedJnqJRE-00343-00079751-00080079 had him back in the nhgri house E_GedJnqJRE-00344-00080080-00080343 but his full-time status with us did not E_GedJnqJRE-00345-00080344-00080567 even last three months E_GedJnqJRE-00346-00080568-00080823 and in february francis boomerang back E_GedJnqJRE-00347-00080824-00081023 out of here agreed to serve as the E_GedJnqJRE-00348-00081024-00081215 acting science advisor to president E_GedJnqJRE-00349-00081216-00081431 biden an acting co-chair of the E_GedJnqJRE-00350-00081432-00081606 president's council on advisors and E_GedJnqJRE-00351-00081607-00081782 science and technology E_GedJnqJRE-00352-00081783-00081959 well i can tell you that as he did E_GedJnqJRE-00353-00081960-00082255 throughout his roughly 12 years as nih E_GedJnqJRE-00354-00082256-00082503 director francis will continue to direct E_GedJnqJRE-00355-00082504-00082791 his nhgri based research laboratory E_GedJnqJRE-00356-00082792-00082999 while also providing continued service E_GedJnqJRE-00357-00083000-00083247 to our country in yet another crucial E_GedJnqJRE-00358-00083248-00083638 scientific leadership role E_GedJnqJRE-00359-00083639-00083847 and then in a related way elijah nelson E_GedJnqJRE-00360-00083848-00083999 has been named the acting director of E_GedJnqJRE-00361-00084000-00084159 the white house office of science and E_GedJnqJRE-00362-00084160-00084455 technology policy or ostp with plans for E_GedJnqJRE-00363-00084456-00084662 her to serve in this capacity until a E_GedJnqJRE-00364-00084663-00084862 permanent director is nominated and E_GedJnqJRE-00365-00084863-00084991 confirmed E_GedJnqJRE-00366-00084992-00085247 under her leadership osdp's six policy E_GedJnqJRE-00367-00085248-00085391 divisions will advance critical E_GedJnqJRE-00368-00085392-00085615 administration priorities in science and E_GedJnqJRE-00369-00085616-00085735 technology E_GedJnqJRE-00370-00085736-00085926 and elijah was also named deputy E_GedJnqJRE-00371-00085927-00086103 assistant to the president E_GedJnqJRE-00372-00086104-00086350 a renowned scholar of science technology E_GedJnqJRE-00373-00086351-00086623 medicine and social inequality she has E_GedJnqJRE-00374-00086624-00086782 already been serving as the deputy E_GedJnqJRE-00375-00086783-00087094 director of the newly created ostp E_GedJnqJRE-00376-00087095-00087575 science and society division E_GedJnqJRE-00377-00087576-00087775 and then in february robert calif was E_GedJnqJRE-00378-00087776-00087950 sworn in as the commissioner of the u.s E_GedJnqJRE-00379-00087951-00088223 food and drug administration or fda E_GedJnqJRE-00380-00088224-00088455 previously rob served in this capacity E_GedJnqJRE-00381-00088456-00088750 from february of 2016 until january of E_GedJnqJRE-00382-00088751-00088911 2017 E_GedJnqJRE-00383-00088912-00089126 prior to joining the fda this time he E_GedJnqJRE-00384-00089127-00089311 was head of medical strategy and senior E_GedJnqJRE-00385-00089312-00089550 advisor and alphabet incorporated and E_GedJnqJRE-00386-00089551-00089711 professor of medicine and vice E_GedJnqJRE-00387-00089712-00089823 chancellor for clinical and E_GedJnqJRE-00388-00089824-00090015 translational research at duke E_GedJnqJRE-00389-00090016-00090471 university E_GedJnqJRE-00390-00090472-00090782 then in april uh norman or as he's E_GedJnqJRE-00391-00090783-00091023 referred to as ned sharpless stepped E_GedJnqJRE-00392-00091024-00091199 down as the 15th director of the E_GedJnqJRE-00393-00091200-00091431 national cancer institute or nci a E_GedJnqJRE-00394-00091432-00091782 position he had held since 2017. E_GedJnqJRE-00395-00091783-00092006 ned also served as acting commissioner E_GedJnqJRE-00396-00092007-00092262 of the fda for seven months in 2019 E_GedJnqJRE-00397-00092263-00092559 before returning to the nci directorship E_GedJnqJRE-00398-00092560-00092815 at nih he championed health equity E_GedJnqJRE-00399-00092816-00092974 developed important programs in data E_GedJnqJRE-00400-00092975-00093238 science and advocated forcefully for E_GedJnqJRE-00401-00093239-00093447 policies to ensure continued support for E_GedJnqJRE-00402-00093448-00093638 investigator initiated research and E_GedJnqJRE-00403-00093639-00093847 diversity in the cancer research E_GedJnqJRE-00404-00093848-00094038 workforce E_GedJnqJRE-00405-00094039-00094311 nci principal deputy director doug loewy E_GedJnqJRE-00406-00094312-00094559 will now once again serve as acting E_GedJnqJRE-00407-00094560-00094823 director until the new nci director is E_GedJnqJRE-00408-00094824-00094943 appointed E_GedJnqJRE-00409-00094944-00095103 serving as acting director is something E_GedJnqJRE-00410-00095104-00095294 doug has a lot of experience doing over E_GedJnqJRE-00411-00095295-00095535 the years E_GedJnqJRE-00412-00095536-00095759 and actually in news of today and i E_GedJnqJRE-00413-00095760-00095959 actually just saw the press release or a E_GedJnqJRE-00414-00095960-00096255 press announcement come into my inbox E_GedJnqJRE-00415-00096256-00096487 today julie gerberding assumes the E_GedJnqJRE-00416-00096488-00096743 position of chief executive officer of E_GedJnqJRE-00417-00096744-00097135 the foundation for nih or fnih now fnih E_GedJnqJRE-00418-00097136-00097318 raises funds and creates and manages E_GedJnqJRE-00419-00097319-00097511 alliances with public and private E_GedJnqJRE-00420-00097512-00097862 institutions in support of nih's mission E_GedJnqJRE-00421-00097863-00098038 all right now julie previously served as E_GedJnqJRE-00422-00098039-00098247 chief patient officer and executive vice E_GedJnqJRE-00423-00098248-00098431 president for population health and E_GedJnqJRE-00424-00098432-00098655 sustainability at merck E_GedJnqJRE-00425-00098656-00098887 prior to that she headed work vaccine E_GedJnqJRE-00426-00098888-00099006 division E_GedJnqJRE-00427-00099007-00099255 earlier she was the first woman to serve E_GedJnqJRE-00428-00099256-00099487 as the cdc director E_GedJnqJRE-00429-00099488-00099671 her distinguished career has earned her E_GedJnqJRE-00430-00099672-00099911 global recognition for example she has E_GedJnqJRE-00431-00099912-00100159 been included in forbes magazine's 100 E_GedJnqJRE-00432-00100160-00100391 most powerful women in the world and E_GedJnqJRE-00433-00100392-00100647 time magazine's 100 most influential E_GedJnqJRE-00434-00100648-00101103 people in the world E_GedJnqJRE-00435-00101104-00101374 then on the policy front nih is E_GedJnqJRE-00436-00101375-00101606 implementing a general provision in the E_GedJnqJRE-00437-00101607-00101926 2022 consolidated appropriations act E_GedJnqJRE-00438-00101927-00102223 that makes reporting to nih by nih E_GedJnqJRE-00439-00102224-00102590 funded institutions mandatory quote when E_GedJnqJRE-00440-00102591-00102830 individuals identified as a principal E_GedJnqJRE-00441-00102831-00103094 investigator or key personnel in an nih E_GedJnqJRE-00442-00103095-00103327 notice of award are removed from their E_GedJnqJRE-00443-00103328-00103575 position or otherwise disciplined due to E_GedJnqJRE-00444-00103576-00103894 concerns about harassment bullying E_GedJnqJRE-00445-00103895-00104127 retaliation or hostile working E_GedJnqJRE-00446-00104128-00104342 conditions end a quote E_GedJnqJRE-00447-00104343-00104606 now previously nih lacked clear E_GedJnqJRE-00448-00104607-00104839 authority to require funded institutions E_GedJnqJRE-00449-00104840-00105039 to report to nih whether personnel E_GedJnqJRE-00450-00105040-00105334 changes to an nih grant are related to E_GedJnqJRE-00451-00105335-00105463 harassment E_GedJnqJRE-00452-00105464-00105710 passage of this bill into law ensures E_GedJnqJRE-00453-00105711-00105951 nih is made aware when the reason for E_GedJnqJRE-00454-00105952-00106223 the personnel change is harassment and E_GedJnqJRE-00455-00106224-00106447 therefore strengthens nih's ability to E_GedJnqJRE-00456-00106448-00106647 take the necessary action E_GedJnqJRE-00457-00106648-00106766 to ensure E_GedJnqJRE-00458-00106767-00107054 in safe work environments wherever nih E_GedJnqJRE-00459-00107055-00107263 funded activities are conducted E_GedJnqJRE-00460-00107264-00107471 this is an important milestone in E_GedJnqJRE-00461-00107472-00107727 support of nih's commitment to do what E_GedJnqJRE-00462-00107728-00108007 we can do to end harassment and improve E_GedJnqJRE-00463-00108008-00108454 civility in biomedical research E_GedJnqJRE-00464-00108455-00108678 moving on to budget and appropriations E_GedJnqJRE-00465-00108679-00108910 now at the time of the february council E_GedJnqJRE-00466-00108911-00109110 meeting the government was operating E_GedJnqJRE-00467-00109111-00109343 under a continuing resolution E_GedJnqJRE-00468-00109344-00109566 on march 15th though president biden E_GedJnqJRE-00469-00109567-00109863 signed a fiscal year 2022 omnibus E_GedJnqJRE-00470-00109864-00110166 appropriations bill into law E_GedJnqJRE-00471-00110167-00110695 the bill included a 5.3 increase for nih E_GedJnqJRE-00472-00110696-00110943 along with an increase of no less than E_GedJnqJRE-00473-00110944-00111254 3.4 percent for each nih institute and E_GedJnqJRE-00474-00111255-00111407 center E_GedJnqJRE-00475-00111408-00111702 nhgri received a 3.8 E_GedJnqJRE-00476-00111703-00111923 increase bringing our total budget to E_GedJnqJRE-00477-00111924-00112390 639 million dollars in fiscal year 2022. E_GedJnqJRE-00478-00112391-00112695 the bill also appropriated 1 billion E_GedJnqJRE-00479-00112696-00112943 for advanced research projects agency E_GedJnqJRE-00480-00112944-00113215 for health or arpa h something i'll be E_GedJnqJRE-00481-00113216-00113454 talking about more in my next slide E_GedJnqJRE-00482-00113455-00113783 now president biden's fiscal year 2023 E_GedJnqJRE-00483-00113783-00114015 budget request was unveiled on march E_GedJnqJRE-00484-00114016-00114271 28th reflecting the white house's E_GedJnqJRE-00485-00114272-00114463 priorities and serving as an opening E_GedJnqJRE-00486-00114464-00114702 gambit for the appropriations process E_GedJnqJRE-00487-00114703-00114895 for next fiscal year E_GedJnqJRE-00488-00114896-00115127 the budget does not have granularity at E_GedJnqJRE-00489-00115128-00115375 the level of individual nih institutes E_GedJnqJRE-00490-00115376-00115639 and centers but does propose a top-line E_GedJnqJRE-00491-00115640-00115975 budget of 49 billion dollars for nih now E_GedJnqJRE-00492-00115976-00116151 while this would this would reflect a E_GedJnqJRE-00493-00116152-00116407 nearly nine percent increase for nih E_GedJnqJRE-00494-00116408-00116519 overall E_GedJnqJRE-00495-00116520-00116710 such an increase would include E_GedJnqJRE-00496-00116711-00117007 additional funding for rph E_GedJnqJRE-00497-00117008-00117207 now news outlets report that house and E_GedJnqJRE-00498-00117208-00117383 senate appropriators are meeting to E_GedJnqJRE-00499-00117383-00117607 begin discussions on the fiscal year E_GedJnqJRE-00500-00117608-00117975 2023 budget limit so stay tuned for more E_GedJnqJRE-00501-00117976-00118334 information in the months ahead E_GedJnqJRE-00502-00118335-00118631 now very much related to the fiscal year E_GedJnqJRE-00503-00118632-00118934 2022 budget is the recently authorized E_GedJnqJRE-00504-00118935-00119151 advanced research projects agency for E_GedJnqJRE-00505-00119152-00119319 health or rph E_GedJnqJRE-00506-00119320-00119575 which aims to conduct high impact E_GedJnqJRE-00507-00119576-00119758 biomedical and health research with a E_GedJnqJRE-00508-00119759-00120007 mission quote to benefit the health of E_GedJnqJRE-00509-00120008-00120190 all americans by catalyzing health E_GedJnqJRE-00510-00120191-00120390 breakthroughs that cannot readily be E_GedJnqJRE-00511-00120391-00120519 accomplished through traditional E_GedJnqJRE-00512-00120520-00120743 research or commercial activity and a E_GedJnqJRE-00513-00120744-00120895 quote E_GedJnqJRE-00514-00120896-00121110 now last summer the office of science E_GedJnqJRE-00515-00121111-00121327 and technology apology or ostp and the E_GedJnqJRE-00516-00121328-00121614 nih published a commentary in science E_GedJnqJRE-00517-00121615-00121863 outlining a vision for arpa-h E_GedJnqJRE-00518-00121864-00122119 and also they also held information E_GedJnqJRE-00519-00122120-00122254 sessions and numerous meetings with E_GedJnqJRE-00520-00122255-00122447 different organizations and convened a E_GedJnqJRE-00521-00122448-00122647 total of 16 listening sessions to get E_GedJnqJRE-00522-00122648-00122902 community feedback including from E_GedJnqJRE-00523-00122903-00123151 patient advocacy groups industry and E_GedJnqJRE-00524-00123152-00123439 scientific professional organizations E_GedJnqJRE-00525-00123440-00123671 all right as i mentioned the last slide E_GedJnqJRE-00526-00123672-00123958 the fiscal year 22 omnibus provided one E_GedJnqJRE-00527-00123959-00124110 billion dollars that will be available E_GedJnqJRE-00528-00124111-00124478 for three years to launch arpa h E_GedJnqJRE-00529-00124479-00124623 and i can tell you that the arpa age E_GedJnqJRE-00530-00124624-00124814 director will be appointed by the E_GedJnqJRE-00531-00124815-00124990 president and that's information that E_GedJnqJRE-00532-00124991-00125175 came out in march and then most recently E_GedJnqJRE-00533-00125176-00125390 in april the decision was made to E_GedJnqJRE-00534-00125391-00125686 transfer arpa-h to nih and to have its E_GedJnqJRE-00535-00125688-00126047 director reporting to the hhs secretary E_GedJnqJRE-00536-00126048-00126271 and finally as i just mentioned the E_GedJnqJRE-00537-00126272-00126454 president requested five billion dollars E_GedJnqJRE-00538-00126455-00126686 in his fiscal year 2023 budget to E_GedJnqJRE-00539-00126688-00126927 continue building arka-h E_GedJnqJRE-00540-00126928-00127183 so lots happening lots more to come with E_GedJnqJRE-00541-00127183-00127383 arpa h and this is the latest that we E_GedJnqJRE-00542-00127383-00127527 know E_GedJnqJRE-00543-00127528-00127654 so with that E_GedJnqJRE-00544-00127655-00127863 i will now move on to some general E_GedJnqJRE-00545-00127864-00128199 genomics updates E_GedJnqJRE-00546-00128200-00128447 in march arthur rings of medical E_GedJnqJRE-00547-00128448-00128599 researchers whose experiments with E_GedJnqJRE-00548-00128600-00128847 recombinant dna led to the development E_GedJnqJRE-00549-00128848-00129143 of synthetic insulin passed away he was E_GedJnqJRE-00550-00129144-00129295 82 years old E_GedJnqJRE-00551-00129296-00129495 his research across the field of medical E_GedJnqJRE-00552-00129496-00129702 science has profoundly improved the E_GedJnqJRE-00553-00129703-00129839 health and treatment E_GedJnqJRE-00554-00129840-00130054 of millions of individuals with diabetes E_GedJnqJRE-00555-00130055-00130231 and cancer and helped to launch the E_GedJnqJRE-00556-00130232-00130434 genetic engineering revolution of the E_GedJnqJRE-00557-00130435-00130975 biotechnology industry E_GedJnqJRE-00558-00130976-00131135 the international common disease E_GedJnqJRE-00559-00131136-00131343 alliance or icda is a scientific E_GedJnqJRE-00560-00131344-00131575 consortium that aims to define barriers E_GedJnqJRE-00561-00131576-00131807 to progress in tackling the maps to E_GedJnqJRE-00562-00131808-00132063 mechanisms to medicines challenge E_GedJnqJRE-00563-00132064-00132295 identify opportunities for new projects E_GedJnqJRE-00564-00132296-00132447 and facilitate international E_GedJnqJRE-00565-00132448-00132631 collaborations E_GedJnqJRE-00566-00132632-00132887 in march the isda held its second E_GedJnqJRE-00567-00132888-00133119 virtual scientific plenary meeting which E_GedJnqJRE-00568-00133120-00133278 consisted of presentations and E_GedJnqJRE-00569-00133279-00133423 discussions focused on current E_GedJnqJRE-00570-00133424-00133663 challenges and successes in advancing E_GedJnqJRE-00571-00133664-00133878 genetic maps international genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00572-00133879-00134127 resources analytical methods E_GedJnqJRE-00573-00134128-00134335 and cellular models for maps to E_GedJnqJRE-00574-00134336-00134623 mechanisms to medicines E_GedJnqJRE-00575-00134624-00134878 the new icda executive committee was E_GedJnqJRE-00576-00134879-00135071 announced as part of the plenary meeting E_GedJnqJRE-00577-00135072-00135287 which now consists of the individuals E_GedJnqJRE-00578-00135288-00135447 shown here E_GedJnqJRE-00579-00135448-00135711 and as one of their first activities the E_GedJnqJRE-00580-00135712-00135887 executive committee hosted a series of E_GedJnqJRE-00581-00135888-00136111 virtual community town halls E_GedJnqJRE-00582-00136112-00136319 in april and i can tell you that the E_GedJnqJRE-00583-00136320-00136495 video recordings of the plenary meeting E_GedJnqJRE-00584-00136496-00136663 and the community town halls can be E_GedJnqJRE-00585-00136664-00137351 found on the icda youtube channel E_GedJnqJRE-00586-00137352-00137639 uh the global biodata coalition or jbc E_GedJnqJRE-00587-00137640-00137887 the gbc was established as a coalition E_GedJnqJRE-00588-00137888-00138135 of life sciences and biomedical research E_GedJnqJRE-00589-00138136-00138343 funders that aims to optimize the E_GedJnqJRE-00590-00138344-00138559 funding and management of biodata E_GedJnqJRE-00591-00138560-00138759 resources worldwide E_GedJnqJRE-00592-00138760-00139071 now the gbc has two priority aims first E_GedJnqJRE-00593-00139072-00139199 to better coordinate and share E_GedJnqJRE-00594-00139200-00139390 approaches for efficient management and E_GedJnqJRE-00595-00139391-00139631 growth of the biodata infrastructure and E_GedJnqJRE-00596-00139632-00139854 two to stabilize and ensure sustainable E_GedJnqJRE-00597-00139855-00140119 financial support for the global biodata E_GedJnqJRE-00598-00140120-00140287 infrastructure E_GedJnqJRE-00599-00140288-00140431 it is an important step in its E_GedJnqJRE-00600-00140432-00140719 maturation last month gbc appointed guy E_GedJnqJRE-00601-00140720-00140959 cochran as its founding executive E_GedJnqJRE-00602-00140960-00141071 director E_GedJnqJRE-00603-00141072-00141271 now guy has over two decades of E_GedJnqJRE-00604-00141272-00141439 experience working with and leading E_GedJnqJRE-00605-00141440-00141702 biodata resources and as an authority on E_GedJnqJRE-00606-00141703-00141895 large-scale international genome E_GedJnqJRE-00607-00141896-00142414 sequence data sharing E_GedJnqJRE-00608-00142415-00142678 the u.s national academies of sciences E_GedJnqJRE-00609-00142679-00142854 recently announced their newly elected E_GedJnqJRE-00610-00142855-00142951 members E_GedJnqJRE-00611-00142952-00143183 of particular interests to nhgri and the E_GedJnqJRE-00612-00143184-00143359 genomics community are the individuals E_GedJnqJRE-00613-00143360-00143502 listed here E_GedJnqJRE-00614-00143503-00143831 note two former members of this advisory E_GedJnqJRE-00615-00143832-00144111 council among this group mark johnston E_GedJnqJRE-00616-00144112-00144287 and jay shinduri E_GedJnqJRE-00617-00144288-00144495 and in addition nhgri is particularly E_GedJnqJRE-00618-00144496-00144783 proud to see julie segrete on this list E_GedJnqJRE-00619-00144784-00144951 as many of you know julia is a senior E_GedJnqJRE-00620-00144952-00145175 investigator and branch chief within the E_GedJnqJRE-00621-00145176-00145439 institute's intramural research program E_GedJnqJRE-00622-00145440-00145702 so congratulations to all of those E_GedJnqJRE-00623-00145703-00145935 individuals E_GedJnqJRE-00624-00145936-00146175 and with that i will now move on E_GedJnqJRE-00625-00146176-00146423 to some uh summaries about the nhri E_GedJnqJRE-00626-00146424-00146799 extramural research program E_GedJnqJRE-00627-00146800-00147039 the centers for excellence in genomic E_GedJnqJRE-00628-00147040-00147359 science or segs program supports the E_GedJnqJRE-00629-00147360-00147551 interdisciplinary research teams for E_GedJnqJRE-00630-00147552-00147743 developing highly innovative approaches E_GedJnqJRE-00631-00147744-00148007 in genomics research and nhgri recently E_GedJnqJRE-00632-00148008-00148239 made three awards at institutions that E_GedJnqJRE-00633-00148240-00148502 had not previously been part of the segs E_GedJnqJRE-00634-00148503-00148775 program all using the designated E_GedJnqJRE-00635-00148776-00149126 emerging segs or esegs funds E_GedJnqJRE-00636-00149127-00149454 these awards went to the center for live E_GedJnqJRE-00637-00149455-00149599 cell genomics at university of E_GedJnqJRE-00638-00149600-00149775 california santa cruz E_GedJnqJRE-00639-00149776-00150063 the center for admixture science and E_GedJnqJRE-00640-00150064-00150214 technology at the university of E_GedJnqJRE-00641-00150215-00150390 california san diego E_GedJnqJRE-00642-00150391-00150590 and the center for genomic information E_GedJnqJRE-00643-00150591-00150799 encoded by rna E_GedJnqJRE-00644-00150800-00151031 nucleotide modification at wild medical E_GedJnqJRE-00645-00151032-00151351 college at cornell university E_GedJnqJRE-00646-00151352-00151590 and this past march nhgri reissued the E_GedJnqJRE-00647-00151591-00151751 funding opportunity announcement for the E_GedJnqJRE-00648-00151752-00151935 sags program for an additional three E_GedJnqJRE-00649-00151936-00152263 years the next due date is june 22nd of E_GedJnqJRE-00650-00152264-00152711 2022 E_GedJnqJRE-00651-00152712-00152854 the clinical sequencing E_GedJnqJRE-00652-00152855-00153054 evidence-generating research or caesar E_GedJnqJRE-00653-00153055-00153271 program aims to generate evidence E_GedJnqJRE-00654-00153272-00153414 related to the clinical utility of E_GedJnqJRE-00655-00153415-00153654 genome sequencing with a major emphasis E_GedJnqJRE-00656-00153655-00154007 on participant diversity and engagement E_GedJnqJRE-00657-00154008-00154278 in november 2021 cesar investigators E_GedJnqJRE-00658-00154279-00154463 from the hudson alpha south seek E_GedJnqJRE-00659-00154464-00154783 clinical site published a paper about E_GedJnqJRE-00660-00154784-00154983 the utility of genome sequencing as a E_GedJnqJRE-00661-00154984-00155166 first-line diagnostic test for E_GedJnqJRE-00662-00155167-00155351 critically ill infants E_GedJnqJRE-00663-00155352-00155551 while genome sequencing is becoming less E_GedJnqJRE-00664-00155552-00155766 common as a diagnostic tool E_GedJnqJRE-00665-00155767-00155990 for pediatric patients it is less often E_GedJnqJRE-00666-00155991-00156190 used for the medical management of E_GedJnqJRE-00667-00156191-00156359 infants E_GedJnqJRE-00668-00156360-00156551 now the southsea study focused on E_GedJnqJRE-00669-00156552-00156735 evaluating the utility of genome E_GedJnqJRE-00670-00156736-00156926 sequencing in one of the largest cohorts E_GedJnqJRE-00671-00156927-00157166 of infants in the neonatal intensive E_GedJnqJRE-00672-00157167-00157519 care units which included 74 racial E_GedJnqJRE-00673-00157520-00157847 ethnic minority or world participants E_GedJnqJRE-00674-00157848-00158054 the investigators described the results E_GedJnqJRE-00675-00158055-00158326 for 367 infants tested by genome E_GedJnqJRE-00676-00158327-00158623 sequencing of these 30 received a E_GedJnqJRE-00677-00158624-00158839 genetic diagnosis E_GedJnqJRE-00678-00158840-00159119 additionally 50 7 of the detected E_GedJnqJRE-00679-00159120-00159407 genomic variants were not detected by E_GedJnqJRE-00680-00159408-00159647 other genetic tests E_GedJnqJRE-00681-00159648-00159871 and this study extends previous work by E_GedJnqJRE-00682-00159872-00160054 recruiting participants from ethnically E_GedJnqJRE-00683-00160055-00160254 and racially diverse backgrounds as well E_GedJnqJRE-00684-00160255-00160887 as rural medically underserved areas E_GedJnqJRE-00685-00160888-00161126 the clinical genome resource or clingen E_GedJnqJRE-00686-00161127-00161302 evaluates and disseminates the clinical E_GedJnqJRE-00687-00161303-00161495 relevance of genes and genomic variants E_GedJnqJRE-00688-00161496-00161663 for use in precision medicine and E_GedJnqJRE-00689-00161664-00161783 research E_GedJnqJRE-00690-00161784-00161966 clingen is committed to promoting E_GedJnqJRE-00691-00161967-00162159 justice equity diversity and inclusion E_GedJnqJRE-00692-00162160-00162439 in all aspects of its ecosystem from the E_GedJnqJRE-00693-00162440-00162654 tools it generates to the workforce it E_GedJnqJRE-00694-00162655-00162814 develops E_GedJnqJRE-00695-00162815-00162999 to emphasize its commitment to these E_GedJnqJRE-00696-00163000-00163247 values the clingen ancestry and E_GedJnqJRE-00697-00163248-00163447 diversity working group with input from E_GedJnqJRE-00698-00163448-00163607 clingen steering committee and other E_GedJnqJRE-00699-00163608-00163823 members of the clinton consortium E_GedJnqJRE-00700-00163824-00164063 led the development of a justice equity E_GedJnqJRE-00701-00164064-00164343 diversity and inclusion action plan this E_GedJnqJRE-00702-00164344-00164566 plan provides a roadmap of measurable E_GedJnqJRE-00703-00164567-00164775 and actionable goals for clingen to E_GedJnqJRE-00704-00164776-00165135 pursue in three key domains E_GedJnqJRE-00705-00165136-00165375 first contribute data E_GedJnqJRE-00706-00165376-00165551 tools and resources to the genomic E_GedJnqJRE-00707-00165552-00165775 knowledge base that will enhance equity E_GedJnqJRE-00708-00165776-00165935 in patient care across global E_GedJnqJRE-00709-00165936-00166111 populations E_GedJnqJRE-00710-00166112-00166351 second develop recommendations for use E_GedJnqJRE-00711-00166352-00166543 of population descriptors in genetics E_GedJnqJRE-00712-00166544-00166711 and genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00713-00166712-00166926 and third foster diversity equity and E_GedJnqJRE-00714-00166927-00167078 inclusion in the E_GedJnqJRE-00715-00167079-00167311 clingen workforce E_GedJnqJRE-00716-00167312-00167543 clingen also assembled the justice E_GedJnqJRE-00717-00167544-00167759 equity diversity and inclusion advisory E_GedJnqJRE-00718-00167760-00167943 board to review the content of the E_GedJnqJRE-00719-00167944-00168199 generated plan to identify gaps and to E_GedJnqJRE-00720-00168200-00168407 provide advice as clingen embarks on E_GedJnqJRE-00721-00168408-00168638 implementing these goals and as such the E_GedJnqJRE-00722-00168639-00168799 plan is undergoing review and may be E_GedJnqJRE-00723-00168800-00169023 refined in the future and the plan and E_GedJnqJRE-00724-00169024-00169231 advisory board roster can be viewed on E_GedJnqJRE-00725-00169232-00169671 the clingen website E_GedJnqJRE-00726-00169672-00169838 the global genomic medicine E_GedJnqJRE-00727-00169839-00170143 collaborative or ggmc was established in E_GedJnqJRE-00728-00170144-00170375 2016 to create a community of global E_GedJnqJRE-00729-00170376-00170599 leaders dedicated to advancing genomic E_GedJnqJRE-00730-00170600-00170807 medicine implementation E_GedJnqJRE-00731-00170808-00171023 the organization was started within the E_GedJnqJRE-00732-00171024-00171238 u.s national academies of medicine and E_GedJnqJRE-00733-00171239-00171454 supported by nih E_GedJnqJRE-00734-00171455-00171743 now ggmc aims to realize the full E_GedJnqJRE-00735-00171744-00171990 potential of genomic medicine worldwide E_GedJnqJRE-00736-00171991-00172175 for improving individual and population E_GedJnqJRE-00737-00172176-00172375 health with a mission to identify E_GedJnqJRE-00738-00172376-00172607 barriers and solutions lead and develop E_GedJnqJRE-00739-00172608-00172814 programs and leverage global expertise E_GedJnqJRE-00740-00172815-00173014 to bring genomic medicine to low E_GedJnqJRE-00741-00173015-00173263 resource settings worldwide through E_GedJnqJRE-00742-00173264-00173487 educational programs policy development E_GedJnqJRE-00743-00173488-00173726 and implementation science E_GedJnqJRE-00744-00173727-00174078 now ggmc expanded in 2018 to include E_GedJnqJRE-00745-00174079-00174295 more observational components E_GedJnqJRE-00746-00174296-00174566 kneading together large cohort studies E_GedJnqJRE-00747-00174567-00174743 such as the all of us research program E_GedJnqJRE-00748-00174744-00175031 the uk biobank and over 70 global E_GedJnqJRE-00749-00175032-00175143 cohorts E_GedJnqJRE-00750-00175144-00175375 in the international 100k cohort E_GedJnqJRE-00751-00175376-00175678 consortium or ihcc E_GedJnqJRE-00752-00175679-00175943 and recently the ggmc board of directors E_GedJnqJRE-00753-00175944-00176151 decided to establish ggfc as an E_GedJnqJRE-00754-00176152-00176407 organization housing additional programs E_GedJnqJRE-00755-00176408-00176607 with a common thread of genomic medicine E_GedJnqJRE-00756-00176608-00176759 implementation E_GedJnqJRE-00757-00176760-00176959 it provides financial management and E_GedJnqJRE-00758-00176960-00177126 operational support for a variety of E_GedJnqJRE-00759-00177127-00177247 programs E_GedJnqJRE-00760-00177248-00177471 also its genomic medicine implementation E_GedJnqJRE-00761-00177472-00177743 arm was recast as the global E_GedJnqJRE-00762-00177744-00178231 genomic medicine consortium or g2mc E_GedJnqJRE-00763-00178232-00178447 other potential programs may be added at E_GedJnqJRE-00764-00178448-00178575 a later date E_GedJnqJRE-00765-00178576-00178831 and more information about all of this E_GedJnqJRE-00766-00178832-00179175 is available on the organization's 2021 E_GedJnqJRE-00767-00179176-00179623 annual report E_GedJnqJRE-00768-00179624-00179823 nhgri's technology development program E_GedJnqJRE-00769-00179824-00179999 continues to enable the development of E_GedJnqJRE-00770-00180000-00180214 new and improved technologies fostering E_GedJnqJRE-00771-00180215-00180447 genomic discovery E_GedJnqJRE-00772-00180448-00180671 nhgri in collaboration with the national E_GedJnqJRE-00773-00180672-00180807 cancer institute and the national E_GedJnqJRE-00774-00180808-00180943 institute of allergy and infectious E_GedJnqJRE-00775-00180944-00181071 diseases E_GedJnqJRE-00776-00181072-00181351 has three open funding opportunities E_GedJnqJRE-00777-00181352-00181575 designed to accelerate innovation and E_GedJnqJRE-00778-00181576-00181711 early development in the rapidly E_GedJnqJRE-00779-00181712-00181887 emerging field of single molecule E_GedJnqJRE-00780-00181888-00182063 protein sequencing E_GedJnqJRE-00781-00182064-00182238 and the next application due date for E_GedJnqJRE-00782-00182239-00182711 these activities is june 15 2022. E_GedJnqJRE-00783-00182712-00182911 nhgri also supports technology E_GedJnqJRE-00784-00182912-00183095 development more broadly through parent E_GedJnqJRE-00785-00183096-00183263 funding announcements and through E_GedJnqJRE-00786-00183264-00183438 targeted announcements such as the E_GedJnqJRE-00787-00183439-00183647 advancing genomic technology development E_GedJnqJRE-00788-00183648-00183935 notice of special interest or no see and E_GedJnqJRE-00789-00183936-00184199 this genomic technology nosy uses the E_GedJnqJRE-00790-00184200-00184647 standard receipt dates E_GedJnqJRE-00791-00184648-00184807 the recently funded technology E_GedJnqJRE-00792-00184808-00185138 development coordinating center or E_GedJnqJRE-00793-00185139-00185454 dtdcc at the jackson laboratory has E_GedJnqJRE-00794-00185455-00185814 organized two virtual outreach events E_GedJnqJRE-00795-00185815-00186214 on march 23rd nhgri and the tdcc are E_GedJnqJRE-00796-00186215-00186447 hosting a technology area forum E_GedJnqJRE-00797-00186448-00186695 entitled understanding cells in context E_GedJnqJRE-00798-00186696-00186943 facial transcriptomics the event will E_GedJnqJRE-00799-00186944-00187111 highlight the strengths and limitations E_GedJnqJRE-00800-00187112-00187326 of current dna sequencing and imaging E_GedJnqJRE-00801-00187327-00187575 based methods that are used in spatial E_GedJnqJRE-00802-00187576-00187831 gene expression profiling E_GedJnqJRE-00803-00187832-00188007 and then on july E_GedJnqJRE-00804-00188008-00188350 7th the tdcc will be hosting a virtual E_GedJnqJRE-00805-00188351-00188511 symposium on understanding recent E_GedJnqJRE-00806-00188512-00188654 advances in genome technology E_GedJnqJRE-00807-00188655-00188766 development E_GedJnqJRE-00808-00188767-00188935 biomedical researchers learners and E_GedJnqJRE-00809-00188936-00189054 clinical providers will have an E_GedJnqJRE-00810-00189055-00189223 opportunity to gain a fundamental E_GedJnqJRE-00811-00189224-00189431 understanding of how new genomic E_GedJnqJRE-00812-00189432-00189654 technologies are utilized and hear about E_GedJnqJRE-00813-00189655-00189847 emerging opportunities and challenges in E_GedJnqJRE-00814-00189848-00189966 the field E_GedJnqJRE-00815-00189967-00190175 and both of these events are free and E_GedJnqJRE-00816-00190176-00190319 they're virtual and they're open to the E_GedJnqJRE-00817-00190320-00190871 public although registration is required E_GedJnqJRE-00818-00190872-00191087 nhgri small business program awards E_GedJnqJRE-00819-00191088-00191254 grants to support the work of genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00820-00191255-00191463 companies related to commercialization E_GedJnqJRE-00821-00191464-00191638 as well as for technology transfer of E_GedJnqJRE-00822-00191639-00191854 academic innovations E_GedJnqJRE-00823-00191855-00192038 and this year i often showcases our E_GedJnqJRE-00824-00192039-00192254 small business grantees through products E_GedJnqJRE-00825-00192255-00192535 created by our office of communications E_GedJnqJRE-00826-00192536-00192743 for example genome sequencing techniques E_GedJnqJRE-00827-00192744-00192911 and technologies developed by the E_GedJnqJRE-00828-00192912-00193214 companies circulomics aroma genomics and E_GedJnqJRE-00829-00193215-00193438 dovetail genomics were instrumental in E_GedJnqJRE-00830-00193439-00193623 contributing to the recent generation of E_GedJnqJRE-00831-00193624-00193887 a truly complete human genome sequence E_GedJnqJRE-00832-00193888-00194063 and a recent feature article on our E_GedJnqJRE-00833-00194064-00194311 website genome.gov tells the story of E_GedJnqJRE-00834-00194312-00194543 how their work is fueling such important E_GedJnqJRE-00835-00194544-00195014 advances in genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00836-00195015-00195223 nhgri aims to prepare a talented and E_GedJnqJRE-00837-00195224-00195414 diverse genomics workforce by providing E_GedJnqJRE-00838-00195415-00195590 both institutional and individual E_GedJnqJRE-00839-00195591-00195814 funding through a variety of mechanisms E_GedJnqJRE-00840-00195815-00196031 including individual fellowships and E_GedJnqJRE-00841-00196032-00196247 career development awards institutional E_GedJnqJRE-00842-00196248-00196495 awards and diversity supplements E_GedJnqJRE-00843-00196496-00196623 and programs are offered at the E_GedJnqJRE-00844-00196624-00196823 undergraduate post-baccalaureate and E_GedJnqJRE-00845-00196824-00197071 graduate post-doctoral and faculty E_GedJnqJRE-00846-00197072-00197207 levels E_GedJnqJRE-00847-00197208-00197414 while the seventh annual training and E_GedJnqJRE-00848-00197415-00197678 career program meeting was re was E_GedJnqJRE-00849-00197679-00197919 recently held at duke university the E_GedJnqJRE-00850-00197920-00198119 meeting gathered over 200 in-person E_GedJnqJRE-00851-00198120-00198511 attendees and over 150 virtual attendees E_GedJnqJRE-00852-00198512-00198719 and nhgri supported trainees presented E_GedJnqJRE-00853-00198720-00198847 their research and met with other E_GedJnqJRE-00854-00198848-00199087 trainees and researchers from across the E_GedJnqJRE-00855-00199088-00199302 nhgri training programs E_GedJnqJRE-00856-00199303-00199502 and the trainees that participated E_GedJnqJRE-00857-00199503-00199647 included those from the centers of E_GedJnqJRE-00858-00199648-00199799 excellence and ethical legal and social E_GedJnqJRE-00859-00199800-00199999 implications research program the E_GedJnqJRE-00860-00200000-00200319 diversity action plan programs the t-32 E_GedJnqJRE-00861-00200320-00200495 training programs and individual E_GedJnqJRE-00862-00200496-00200638 awardees of fellowships and career E_GedJnqJRE-00863-00200639-00200783 development grants E_GedJnqJRE-00864-00200784-00200950 the trainees presented posters gave E_GedJnqJRE-00865-00200951-00201095 lightning talks E_GedJnqJRE-00866-00201096-00201238 and attended scientific lectures E_GedJnqJRE-00867-00201239-00201414 presented by their peers E_GedJnqJRE-00868-00201415-00201590 and other highlights included keynote E_GedJnqJRE-00869-00201591-00201814 talks network lunches and various E_GedJnqJRE-00870-00201815-00202214 concurrent sessions E_GedJnqJRE-00871-00202215-00202495 nhgri has developed a new awards program E_GedJnqJRE-00872-00202496-00202726 to recognize extramural investigators E_GedJnqJRE-00873-00202727-00202950 who are making sustained and substantial E_GedJnqJRE-00874-00202951-00203190 contributions to enhancing diversity E_GedJnqJRE-00875-00203191-00203450 equity inclusion and accessibility or a E_GedJnqJRE-00876-00203451-00203807 deia in the genomics workforce E_GedJnqJRE-00877-00203808-00204063 the genomics workforce deia award will E_GedJnqJRE-00878-00204064-00204319 recognize an extraordinary an extramural E_GedJnqJRE-00879-00204320-00204511 early stage investigator and an E_GedJnqJRE-00880-00204512-00204695 established investigator or group of E_GedJnqJRE-00881-00204696-00204990 investigators annually that exemplify E_GedJnqJRE-00882-00204991-00205151 their commitment to enhancing the E_GedJnqJRE-00883-00205152-00205398 diversity of the genomics workforce E_GedJnqJRE-00884-00205400-00205638 to be considered for the award a nominee E_GedJnqJRE-00885-00205639-00205919 must have an nhgri grant funding and the E_GedJnqJRE-00886-00205919-00206110 due date for nominations is september E_GedJnqJRE-00887-00206111-00206294 1st 2022 E_GedJnqJRE-00888-00206296-00206471 the program is being administered by the E_GedJnqJRE-00889-00206471-00206662 training diversity and health equity or E_GedJnqJRE-00890-00206663-00206934 tied office at nhri which aims to E_GedJnqJRE-00891-00206935-00207175 promote workforce diversity development E_GedJnqJRE-00892-00207176-00207342 support training programs and provide E_GedJnqJRE-00893-00207344-00207551 leadership to reduce health disparities E_GedJnqJRE-00894-00207552-00207982 and to foster health equity E_GedJnqJRE-00895-00207983-00208151 and the nhgri extramural training E_GedJnqJRE-00896-00208152-00208334 program currently has three funding E_GedJnqJRE-00897-00208335-00208558 opportunities focused on genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00898-00208559-00208798 workforce diversity E_GedJnqJRE-00899-00208800-00209038 the genome research experiences to E_GedJnqJRE-00900-00209039-00209271 attract talented undergraduates into the E_GedJnqJRE-00901-00209271-00209534 genomics field to enhance diversity it's E_GedJnqJRE-00902-00209535-00209782 a mouthful also abbreviated great E_GedJnqJRE-00903-00209783-00209887 program E_GedJnqJRE-00904-00209888-00210063 supports educational activities E_GedJnqJRE-00905-00210064-00210239 encouraging undergraduates from diverse E_GedJnqJRE-00906-00210240-00210415 backgrounds including those from groups E_GedJnqJRE-00907-00210416-00210558 underrepresented the biomedical E_GedJnqJRE-00908-00210559-00210791 workforce to pursue training in careers E_GedJnqJRE-00909-00210792-00211103 in the scientific medical ethical social E_GedJnqJRE-00910-00211104-00211391 and or legal areas of genomics research E_GedJnqJRE-00911-00211392-00211575 now applications for this program are E_GedJnqJRE-00912-00211576-00211846 due july 1st E_GedJnqJRE-00913-00211848-00212055 the faculty institutional recruitment E_GedJnqJRE-00914-00212056-00212342 for sustainable transformation or first E_GedJnqJRE-00915-00212344-00212606 program is an nih common fund initiative E_GedJnqJRE-00916-00212607-00212775 and it is accepting applications to E_GedJnqJRE-00917-00212776-00213023 facilitate institutions in building a E_GedJnqJRE-00918-00213023-00213255 self-reinforcing community of scientists E_GedJnqJRE-00919-00213256-00213391 through the recruitment of a critical E_GedJnqJRE-00920-00213392-00213631 mass of early career faculty with a E_GedJnqJRE-00921-00213632-00213831 demonstrated commitment to inclusive E_GedJnqJRE-00922-00213832-00214071 excellence applications for this program E_GedJnqJRE-00923-00214071-00214319 are due july 12th E_GedJnqJRE-00924-00214319-00214542 and the nih science education E_GedJnqJRE-00925-00214544-00214782 partnership award or cepa program E_GedJnqJRE-00926-00214783-00215039 supports pre-kindergarten to grade 12 E_GedJnqJRE-00927-00215040-00215198 and informal science education E_GedJnqJRE-00928-00215200-00215367 activities that enhance the diversity of E_GedJnqJRE-00929-00215367-00215575 the biomedical behavioral and clinical E_GedJnqJRE-00930-00215576-00215791 research workforce and then foster a E_GedJnqJRE-00931-00215792-00215967 better understanding of nih funded E_GedJnqJRE-00932-00215967-00216167 behavioral biomedical and clinical E_GedJnqJRE-00933-00216167-00216310 research and its public health E_GedJnqJRE-00934-00216311-00216431 implications E_GedJnqJRE-00935-00216432-00216639 and applications for this program are E_GedJnqJRE-00936-00216640-00217110 due july 13th E_GedJnqJRE-00937-00217111-00217310 and with that i will move on to the nih E_GedJnqJRE-00938-00217311-00217734 common fund and other trans nih efforts E_GedJnqJRE-00939-00217735-00217975 starting with the h3 africa program and E_GedJnqJRE-00940-00217976-00218206 remember that the central goal of nih E_GedJnqJRE-00941-00218207-00218406 common funds human heredity and health E_GedJnqJRE-00942-00218407-00218694 and effort or h3 africa program is to E_GedJnqJRE-00943-00218696-00218879 develop a sustainable and collaborative E_GedJnqJRE-00944-00218880-00219223 african genomics research enterprise E_GedJnqJRE-00945-00219223-00219551 now in its 10th and final year h3 africa E_GedJnqJRE-00946-00219552-00219839 has published over 600 papers with many E_GedJnqJRE-00947-00219840-00220094 additional manuscripts in the works E_GedJnqJRE-00948-00220096-00220319 recent papers highlighted on this slide E_GedJnqJRE-00949-00220319-00220527 reveal a previously undescribed gut E_GedJnqJRE-00950-00220528-00220791 microbiome taxa describe methylation E_GedJnqJRE-00951-00220792-00220998 patterns in adults who are in utero E_GedJnqJRE-00952-00221000-00221342 during the rwanda genocide and provide E_GedJnqJRE-00953-00221344-00221534 proposed guidelines for feedback of E_GedJnqJRE-00954-00221535-00221775 individual genomic findings in african E_GedJnqJRE-00955-00221776-00221975 research settings E_GedJnqJRE-00956-00221976-00222191 in addition to publications E_GedJnqJRE-00957-00222192-00222382 h3 africa investigators have played E_GedJnqJRE-00958-00222383-00222615 major roles in the update of consortium E_GedJnqJRE-00959-00222616-00222815 recommendations into policies for E_GedJnqJRE-00960-00222816-00223055 genomics research in african countries E_GedJnqJRE-00961-00223056-00223246 as one example E_GedJnqJRE-00962-00223248-00223446 groups funded as part of the h3 africa E_GedJnqJRE-00963-00223448-00223606 ethical legal and social implications E_GedJnqJRE-00964-00223607-00223871 research projects have collaborated with E_GedJnqJRE-00965-00223871-00224094 their local governments and contributed E_GedJnqJRE-00966-00224096-00224294 to national guidelines on human genomics E_GedJnqJRE-00967-00224296-00224479 research and community engagement in E_GedJnqJRE-00968-00224480-00224775 both uganda and botswana E_GedJnqJRE-00969-00224776-00224958 and the final consortium meeting will E_GedJnqJRE-00970-00224959-00225079 occur at the end of this month in E_GedJnqJRE-00971-00225080-00225303 nigeria and investigators and fellows E_GedJnqJRE-00972-00225304-00225494 will highlight the impact of h3 africa E_GedJnqJRE-00973-00225496-00225663 on their careers on research E_GedJnqJRE-00974-00225664-00225967 infrastructure in africa and on advances E_GedJnqJRE-00975-00225967-00226503 in genomics research E_GedJnqJRE-00976-00226504-00226782 the undiagnosed diseases network or udn E_GedJnqJRE-00977-00226783-00226982 is an nih common fund program that aims E_GedJnqJRE-00978-00226983-00227191 to improve the level of diagnosis for E_GedJnqJRE-00979-00227192-00227358 rare and undiagnosed conditions through E_GedJnqJRE-00980-00227359-00227615 a team-based approach E_GedJnqJRE-00981-00227616-00227839 udn investigators from baylor model E_GedJnqJRE-00982-00227840-00228015 organisms screening center published an E_GedJnqJRE-00983-00228016-00228271 article describing model matchup an E_GedJnqJRE-00984-00228271-00228487 online investigator matchmaking tool E_GedJnqJRE-00985-00228488-00228703 designed to encourage cross-disciplinary E_GedJnqJRE-00986-00228704-00229046 collaboration and rare disease research E_GedJnqJRE-00987-00229048-00229391 as of january 2022 users have access to E_GedJnqJRE-00988-00229392-00229571 a database containing E_GedJnqJRE-00989-00229571-00229831 5383 model organism genes that E_GedJnqJRE-00990-00229832-00230279 correspond to over 6 000 human genes E_GedJnqJRE-00991-00230280-00230479 the same udn baylor investigators E_GedJnqJRE-00992-00230480-00230663 contributed to an article describing a E_GedJnqJRE-00993-00230664-00230863 novel neurodevelopmental phenotype E_GedJnqJRE-00994-00230864-00231119 associated with a mutation in the neuron E_GedJnqJRE-00995-00231119-00231439 navigator 2 or nav2 gene E_GedJnqJRE-00996-00231440-00231655 while mouse studies show nav2 protein is E_GedJnqJRE-00997-00231656-00231767 critical in the development of the E_GedJnqJRE-00998-00231767-00231951 central nervous system particularly the E_GedJnqJRE-00999-00231952-00232175 cerebellum little was known about the E_GedJnqJRE-01000-00232176-00232431 role of the nav2 protein in humans and E_GedJnqJRE-01001-00232432-00232631 by screening exome sequence data from E_GedJnqJRE-01002-00232632-00232806 individuals affected with sporadic E_GedJnqJRE-01003-00232807-00233063 cerebellar dysplasia investigators E_GedJnqJRE-01004-00233064-00233327 identified the first human with biolic E_GedJnqJRE-01005-00233328-00233623 loss of function variants in naf2 E_GedJnqJRE-01006-00233623-00233782 and through animal model analyses E_GedJnqJRE-01007-00233783-00233958 investigators were able to put to E_GedJnqJRE-01008-00233959-00234206 identify a potentially conserved role E_GedJnqJRE-01009-00234207-00234431 for nav2 protein in central nervous E_GedJnqJRE-01010-00234432-00234655 system development across multiple E_GedJnqJRE-01011-00234656-00235263 species E_GedJnqJRE-01012-00235264-00235519 the nih common fund has initiated a new E_GedJnqJRE-01013-00235519-00235839 program of interest to nhgri the somatic E_GedJnqJRE-01014-00235840-00236158 mosaicism across human tissues or smart E_GedJnqJRE-01015-00236159-00236279 program E_GedJnqJRE-01016-00236280-00236494 the smart network aims to transform our E_GedJnqJRE-01017-00236496-00236719 understanding of how somatic mosaicism E_GedJnqJRE-01018-00236719-00236991 in human cells influences human biology E_GedJnqJRE-01019-00236992-00237271 and health E_GedJnqJRE-01020-00237271-00237487 five funding opportunities have been E_GedJnqJRE-01021-00237488-00237639 released for the various components of E_GedJnqJRE-01022-00237640-00237903 the spot network shown here in colored E_GedJnqJRE-01023-00237904-00238006 boxes E_GedJnqJRE-01024-00238007-00238167 the components include a tissue E_GedJnqJRE-01025-00238167-00238398 procurement center and genome E_GedJnqJRE-01026-00238400-00238591 characterization centers E_GedJnqJRE-01027-00238592-00238798 technology and tool developments E_GedJnqJRE-01028-00238800-00239039 projects a data analysis center and an E_GedJnqJRE-01029-00239040-00239198 organizational center E_GedJnqJRE-01030-00239200-00239398 the various components will generate and E_GedJnqJRE-01031-00239400-00239639 analyze validated data and produce a E_GedJnqJRE-01032-00239640-00239823 genomic variant catalog as well as a E_GedJnqJRE-01033-00239823-00240006 workbench to facilitate use of these E_GedJnqJRE-01034-00240007-00240327 data by the broader scientific community E_GedJnqJRE-01035-00240328-00240534 and the application deadline for all E_GedJnqJRE-01036-00240535-00241094 five components is july 8th of this year E_GedJnqJRE-01037-00241096-00241271 and lastly the mission of the all of us E_GedJnqJRE-01038-00241271-00241479 research program is to accelerate health E_GedJnqJRE-01039-00241480-00241639 research and medical breakthroughs E_GedJnqJRE-01040-00241640-00241879 enabling individual prevention treatment E_GedJnqJRE-01041-00241880-00242079 and care for all of us E_GedJnqJRE-01042-00242080-00242246 the program will partner with one E_GedJnqJRE-01043-00242248-00242463 million or more people across the united E_GedJnqJRE-01044-00242464-00242694 states to build the most diverse E_GedJnqJRE-01045-00242696-00242919 biomedical data resource of its kind E_GedJnqJRE-01046-00242919-00243134 thereby helping researchers gain better E_GedJnqJRE-01047-00243135-00243334 on insights into the biological E_GedJnqJRE-01048-00243335-00243542 environmental and behavioral factors E_GedJnqJRE-01049-00243544-00243734 that influence health E_GedJnqJRE-01050-00243735-00243927 the all of us research program released E_GedJnqJRE-01051-00243928-00244246 its first genomic data set in march E_GedJnqJRE-01052-00244248-00244471 and this data release which features E_GedJnqJRE-01053-00244471-00244742 whole genome sequences from nearly 100 E_GedJnqJRE-01054-00244744-00244991 000 participants as well as genotyping E_GedJnqJRE-01055-00244992-00245215 array data genomic variant data and a E_GedJnqJRE-01056-00245216-00245463 suite of genomics analysis tools E_GedJnqJRE-01057-00245464-00245623 is available E_GedJnqJRE-01058-00245623-00245894 via the all of us researchers workbench E_GedJnqJRE-01059-00245896-00246158 cloud-based platform E_GedJnqJRE-01060-00246159-00246351 now the researcher workbench also E_GedJnqJRE-01061-00246352-00246519 includes information from participant E_GedJnqJRE-01062-00246519-00246727 survey responses fitbit devices E_GedJnqJRE-01063-00246728-00246903 electronic health records and physical E_GedJnqJRE-01064-00246904-00247071 measurements E_GedJnqJRE-01065-00247071-00247230 and keep in mind that a key feature of E_GedJnqJRE-01066-00247231-00247446 the all of us research program is its E_GedJnqJRE-01067-00247448-00247727 focus on diverse participants with about E_GedJnqJRE-01068-00247728-00247951 50 percent of the data coming from E_GedJnqJRE-01069-00247952-00248079 individuals E_GedJnqJRE-01070-00248080-00248263 who identify with the racial or ethnic E_GedJnqJRE-01071-00248264-00248423 groups that have historically been E_GedJnqJRE-01072-00248423-00248646 underrepresented in research E_GedJnqJRE-01073-00248648-00248798 and this contrasts with the vast E_GedJnqJRE-01074-00248800-00249055 majority of existing global genome-wide E_GedJnqJRE-01075-00249056-00249255 association study data E_GedJnqJRE-01076-00249256-00249471 which is primarily derived from E_GedJnqJRE-01077-00249471-00249734 individuals of european ancestry E_GedJnqJRE-01078-00249735-00249879 so we encourage interested in E_GedJnqJRE-01079-00249880-00250079 researchers to register for access to E_GedJnqJRE-01080-00250080-00250279 the all of us research or workbench in E_GedJnqJRE-01081-00250280-00250558 order to start using the data and tools E_GedJnqJRE-01082-00250559-00251063 for their own research E_GedJnqJRE-01083-00251064-00251263 and moving on to the nhr activities and E_GedJnqJRE-01084-00251264-00251487 the areas of communication policy and E_GedJnqJRE-01085-00251488-00251830 education E_GedJnqJRE-01086-00251831-00252151 in december of 2021 the nhri history of E_GedJnqJRE-01087-00252152-00252423 genomics program hosted a symposium that E_GedJnqJRE-01088-00252423-00252591 addressed the history of eugenics and E_GedJnqJRE-01089-00252592-00252823 scientific racism and their complex E_GedJnqJRE-01090-00252823-00253142 legacies in the modern health sciences E_GedJnqJRE-01091-00253144-00253382 the symposium illustrated the need for E_GedJnqJRE-01092-00253383-00253582 more import and more informed public E_GedJnqJRE-01093-00253583-00253855 discussions about the connection between E_GedJnqJRE-01094-00253856-00254006 existing and emerging genetic and E_GedJnqJRE-01095-00254007-00254294 genomic technologies and the historic E_GedJnqJRE-01096-00254296-00254551 and present day uses of genetics and E_GedJnqJRE-01097-00254552-00254782 genomics and social behavioral research E_GedJnqJRE-01098-00254783-00255094 it also raised issues about how nhgri as E_GedJnqJRE-01099-00255096-00255319 a key funder of genomics research E_GedJnqJRE-01100-00255319-00255439 communicate E_GedJnqJRE-01101-00255440-00255623 about the state of the science and its E_GedJnqJRE-01102-00255623-00255839 limitations E_GedJnqJRE-01103-00255840-00256055 the nhgri history of genomics program E_GedJnqJRE-01104-00256056-00256351 will next host two roundtable meetings E_GedJnqJRE-01105-00256352-00256446 to further E_GedJnqJRE-01106-00256448-00256710 explore these two themes E_GedJnqJRE-01107-00256711-00257023 a meeting on may 25th will address the E_GedJnqJRE-01108-00257023-00257175 question does genetic and genomic E_GedJnqJRE-01109-00257176-00257423 screening keep open the door to eugenics E_GedJnqJRE-01110-00257423-00257598 at this meeting panelists will discuss E_GedJnqJRE-01111-00257600-00257798 historical and present day eugenics and E_GedJnqJRE-01112-00257800-00258023 scientific racism in the context of E_GedJnqJRE-01113-00258023-00258191 existing and developing genetic and E_GedJnqJRE-01114-00258192-00258479 genomic screening technologies E_GedJnqJRE-01115-00258480-00258719 then in december a second meeting will E_GedJnqJRE-01116-00258719-00258887 address the promise and perils of social E_GedJnqJRE-01117-00258888-00259071 behavioral genomics at which the E_GedJnqJRE-01118-00259071-00259239 discussion will focus on the historic E_GedJnqJRE-01119-00259240-00259471 uses of genetics and genomics in social E_GedJnqJRE-01120-00259471-00259671 behavioral research including the E_GedJnqJRE-01121-00259671-00259894 historical connections of research into E_GedJnqJRE-01122-00259896-00260151 the genetics of social mobility and E_GedJnqJRE-01123-00260152-00260319 educational attainment with E_GedJnqJRE-01124-00260319-00260639 anti-semitism eugenics and scientific E_GedJnqJRE-01125-00260640-00261063 racism E_GedJnqJRE-01126-00261064-00261294 on national dna day this year that is E_GedJnqJRE-01127-00261296-00261558 april 25th the nhgri office of E_GedJnqJRE-01128-00261559-00261823 communications released a fully revamped E_GedJnqJRE-01129-00261823-00262006 version of its incredibly popular E_GedJnqJRE-01130-00262007-00262158 talking glossary E_GedJnqJRE-01131-00262159-00262358 which included a new name E_GedJnqJRE-01132-00262359-00262534 the talking glossary of genomic and E_GedJnqJRE-01133-00262535-00262727 genetic terms E_GedJnqJRE-01134-00262728-00262927 this new and improved educational E_GedJnqJRE-01135-00262928-00263119 resource now features audio recordings E_GedJnqJRE-01136-00263120-00263551 from 37 nhgri experts to date the new E_GedJnqJRE-01137-00263552-00263863 talking glossary has 222 terms of which E_GedJnqJRE-01138-00263864-00264110 142 have new accompanying illustrations E_GedJnqJRE-01139-00264111-00264439 and 15 of new associated animations E_GedJnqJRE-01140-00264440-00264623 there are plans for additional terms E_GedJnqJRE-01141-00264624-00264775 animations and E_GedJnqJRE-01142-00264776-00264982 illustrations in the coming months and E_GedJnqJRE-01143-00264983-00265151 we really encourage you to check out the E_GedJnqJRE-01144-00265152-00265358 new talking glossary and please spread E_GedJnqJRE-01145-00265359-00265863 the word about its availability E_GedJnqJRE-01146-00265864-00266087 the seventh and final event in the E_GedJnqJRE-01147-00266088-00266287 genomics and the media virtual lecture E_GedJnqJRE-01148-00266288-00266495 series will feature magdalena skipper E_GedJnqJRE-01149-00266496-00266663 the editor-in-chief of nature and E_GedJnqJRE-01150-00266664-00266879 that'll occur on june 30th E_GedJnqJRE-01151-00266880-00267087 now this last lecture will cap the E_GedJnqJRE-01152-00267088-00267310 highly successful series which featured E_GedJnqJRE-01153-00267311-00267463 the trailblazers and science E_GedJnqJRE-01154-00267464-00267623 communication shown here and E_GedJnqJRE-01155-00267624-00267847 demonstrated various approaches for E_GedJnqJRE-01156-00267848-00268015 communicating about genomics as well as E_GedJnqJRE-01157-00268016-00268206 the unique challenges and opportunities E_GedJnqJRE-01158-00268207-00268447 that different communications media can E_GedJnqJRE-01159-00268448-00268823 bring E_GedJnqJRE-01160-00268824-00269071 in terms of our social media presence if E_GedJnqJRE-01161-00269072-00269199 you're not aware E_GedJnqJRE-01162-00269200-00269510 ask dr genome is a monthly series of E_GedJnqJRE-01163-00269511-00269767 live twitter q and a's with myself and E_GedJnqJRE-01164-00269768-00269975 invited genomic experts E_GedJnqJRE-01165-00269976-00270167 the series offers a way to engage with E_GedJnqJRE-01166-00270168-00270375 members of the public that is me namely E_GedJnqJRE-01167-00270376-00270615 students educators and science curious E_GedJnqJRE-01168-00270616-00270830 twitter followers who want to know more E_GedJnqJRE-01169-00270831-00271047 about a particular genomics topic E_GedJnqJRE-01170-00271048-00271247 anyone can tweet us a question about the E_GedJnqJRE-01171-00271248-00271487 designated genomics topic and we retweet E_GedJnqJRE-01172-00271488-00271719 an answer from my account E_GedJnqJRE-01173-00271720-00271958 and in march i was joined by josh dede E_GedJnqJRE-01174-00271959-00272158 ceo of the all of us research program to E_GedJnqJRE-01175-00272159-00272303 answer questions about precision E_GedJnqJRE-01176-00272304-00272558 medicine and the generation of diverse E_GedJnqJRE-01177-00272559-00272758 genomic data sets E_GedJnqJRE-01178-00272759-00272975 and then in april i was joined by karen E_GedJnqJRE-01179-00272976-00273143 nega who answered questions about the E_GedJnqJRE-01180-00273144-00273399 telomere telomere consortium's effort to E_GedJnqJRE-01181-00273400-00273639 generate a truly complete human genome E_GedJnqJRE-01182-00273640-00273903 sequence E_GedJnqJRE-01183-00273904-00274127 and with all this communications E_GedJnqJRE-01184-00274128-00274406 activities i'm proud to tell you that E_GedJnqJRE-01185-00274407-00274663 the nhgri office of communications was E_GedJnqJRE-01186-00274664-00274903 recently nominated for a golden post E_GedJnqJRE-01187-00274904-00275151 award for best twitter presence E_GedJnqJRE-01188-00275152-00275334 the golden post awards recognize E_GedJnqJRE-01189-00275335-00275527 outstanding use of social media by E_GedJnqJRE-01190-00275528-00275758 government agencies in the united states E_GedJnqJRE-01191-00275759-00276055 and out of more than 400 entries nhgri E_GedJnqJRE-01192-00276056-00276391 was named one of the top five finalists E_GedJnqJRE-01193-00276392-00276551 in addition the nhgri office of E_GedJnqJRE-01194-00276552-00276758 communication was also nominated for a E_GedJnqJRE-01195-00276759-00276999 shorty award which honors the best of E_GedJnqJRE-01196-00277000-00277239 social media and digital specifically E_GedJnqJRE-01197-00277240-00277430 for its work on the history of eugenics E_GedJnqJRE-01198-00277431-00277687 and scientific racism symposium in E_GedJnqJRE-01199-00277688-00277895 december so congratulations to the E_GedJnqJRE-01200-00277896-00278182 office of communications E_GedJnqJRE-01201-00278183-00278423 now as i mentioned earlier april 25th E_GedJnqJRE-01202-00278424-00278630 was national dna day and like every E_GedJnqJRE-01203-00278631-00278847 other year and nhgri hosted several E_GedJnqJRE-01204-00278848-00279071 programs and offered educational E_GedJnqJRE-01205-00279072-00279287 resources to mark the occasion E_GedJnqJRE-01206-00279288-00279471 this year dna day was celebrated E_GedJnqJRE-01207-00279472-00279758 virtually throughout the month of april E_GedJnqJRE-01208-00279759-00280063 and nhgri hosted two h3 africa dna day E_GedJnqJRE-01209-00280064-00280287 presentations featuring the h3 africa E_GedJnqJRE-01210-00280288-00280479 researchers shown here E_GedJnqJRE-01211-00280480-00280767 and then on april 25th nhgri hosted E_GedJnqJRE-01212-00280768-00280958 carter clinton who's a postdoctoral E_GedJnqJRE-01213-00280959-00281087 scholar in the departments of E_GedJnqJRE-01214-00281088-00281334 anthropology and biology at pennsylvania E_GedJnqJRE-01215-00281335-00281558 state university for the louis m E_GedJnqJRE-01216-00281559-00281830 slaughter national dna day lecture E_GedJnqJRE-01217-00281831-00282006 and carter shared his research E_GedJnqJRE-01218-00282007-00282223 investigating new york african burial E_GedJnqJRE-01219-00282224-00282534 ground population soil samples to better E_GedJnqJRE-01220-00282535-00282782 understand health disparities in living E_GedJnqJRE-01221-00282783-00283023 african americans and discuss the E_GedJnqJRE-01222-00283024-00283230 urgency for diversity in genomic E_GedJnqJRE-01223-00283231-00283647 databases E_GedJnqJRE-01224-00283648-00283863 and the inter society coordinating E_GedJnqJRE-01225-00283864-00284023 committee for practitioner education E_GedJnqJRE-01226-00284024-00284327 genomics or iscc peg focuses on E_GedJnqJRE-01227-00284328-00284527 integrating genomic literacy into E_GedJnqJRE-01228-00284528-00284695 clinical practice E_GedJnqJRE-01229-00284696-00284839 the group does this by making E_GedJnqJRE-01230-00284840-00285015 presentations at professional meetings E_GedJnqJRE-01231-00285016-00285191 creating pharmacogenomic continuing E_GedJnqJRE-01232-00285192-00285406 education modules and publishing a E_GedJnqJRE-01233-00285407-00285727 direct to consumer genetic testing faq E_GedJnqJRE-01234-00285728-00285863 resource E_GedJnqJRE-01235-00285864-00286134 now the iscc peg also sponsors scholars E_GedJnqJRE-01236-00286135-00286382 who work directly with iscc peg mentors E_GedJnqJRE-01237-00286383-00286630 on projects and so recently a scholar E_GedJnqJRE-01238-00286631-00286934 created a genetest 101 app to assist E_GedJnqJRE-01239-00286935-00287127 non-genetics healthcare providers E_GedJnqJRE-01240-00287128-00287503 navigate the genetic testing process E_GedJnqJRE-01241-00287504-00287767 and the iscc peg's 11th annual meeting E_GedJnqJRE-01242-00287768-00287975 was held in february and featured E_GedJnqJRE-01243-00287976-00288182 keynote presentation by nhgri acting E_GedJnqJRE-01244-00288183-00288439 deputy director vince bonham the meeting E_GedJnqJRE-01245-00288440-00288615 also included reports from two new E_GedJnqJRE-01246-00288616-00288919 project groups a nursing genomics group E_GedJnqJRE-01247-00288920-00289127 and an lgbtqi E_GedJnqJRE-01248-00289128-00289599 plus issues in genomics group E_GedJnqJRE-01249-00289600-00289823 and last but not least i have a few E_GedJnqJRE-01250-00289824-00290279 updates about nhgri's intramural program E_GedJnqJRE-01251-00290280-00290479 starting with bill gaul E_GedJnqJRE-01252-00290480-00290679 one of the nhgri intramural E_GedJnqJRE-01253-00290680-00290934 investigators who received the urotis E_GedJnqJRE-01254-00290935-00291215 for rare diseases europe lifetime E_GedJnqJRE-01255-00291216-00291439 achievement award this award recognizes E_GedJnqJRE-01256-00291440-00291623 those lifelong dedication to addressing E_GedJnqJRE-01257-00291624-00291791 the needs of people living with rare and E_GedJnqJRE-01258-00291792-00292054 undiagnosed diseases it also honors him E_GedJnqJRE-01259-00292055-00292206 for the creation of the undiagnosed E_GedJnqJRE-01260-00292207-00292495 diseases program within nih so E_GedJnqJRE-01261-00292496-00292806 congratulations to bill E_GedJnqJRE-01262-00292807-00293023 and then nhgri intramural investigator E_GedJnqJRE-01263-00293024-00293215 neil hansard has been elected to the E_GedJnqJRE-01264-00293216-00293367 american society for clinical E_GedJnqJRE-01265-00293368-00293854 investigation so congratulations to neil E_GedJnqJRE-01266-00293855-00294134 and then diana bianchi who is both an E_GedJnqJRE-01267-00294135-00294382 nhgri intramural investigator but is E_GedJnqJRE-01268-00294383-00294527 also as you know director of the E_GedJnqJRE-01269-00294528-00294679 national institute of child health and E_GedJnqJRE-01270-00294680-00294910 human development is a finalist for the E_GedJnqJRE-01271-00294911-00295182 samuel j hyman service to america medals E_GedJnqJRE-01272-00295183-00295391 also known as the samis E_GedJnqJRE-01273-00295392-00295630 she is a coveted 19 response finalist E_GedJnqJRE-01274-00295631-00295806 for initiating critical research to E_GedJnqJRE-01275-00295807-00296030 understand the medical implications of E_GedJnqJRE-01276-00296031-00296263 the covet 19 virus on underserved E_GedJnqJRE-01277-00296264-00296806 populations so congratulations to diana E_GedJnqJRE-01278-00296807-00297079 and one thing i wanted to um announce at E_GedJnqJRE-01279-00297080-00297375 this open session of an advisory council E_GedJnqJRE-01280-00297376-00297647 meeting is something related to a blue E_GedJnqJRE-01281-00297648-00297830 ribbon panel review that will now take E_GedJnqJRE-01282-00297831-00298103 place um for our intramural research E_GedJnqJRE-01283-00298104-00298206 program E_GedJnqJRE-01284-00298207-00298423 now each nih institute and center's E_GedJnqJRE-01285-00298424-00298719 intramural research program or irp is E_GedJnqJRE-01286-00298720-00298958 required to undergo a blue ribbon panel E_GedJnqJRE-01287-00298959-00299247 review roughly every 10 years E_GedJnqJRE-01288-00299248-00299471 these reviews aim to provide very high E_GedJnqJRE-01289-00299472-00299663 level feedback and general input about E_GedJnqJRE-01290-00299664-00299782 the current state and future E_GedJnqJRE-01291-00299783-00300054 opportunities of the various nih's E_GedJnqJRE-01292-00300055-00300263 intramural research programs E_GedJnqJRE-01293-00300264-00300479 which complements the more detailed E_GedJnqJRE-01294-00300480-00300671 investigator by investigative reviews E_GedJnqJRE-01295-00300672-00300903 that take place every four years by the E_GedJnqJRE-01296-00300904-00301039 institute or center's board of E_GedJnqJRE-01297-00301040-00301239 scientific counselors E_GedJnqJRE-01298-00301240-00301519 now nhgri has conducted two blue ribbon E_GedJnqJRE-01299-00301520-00301703 panel reviews of our intramural research E_GedJnqJRE-01300-00301704-00301958 program to date the most recent one was E_GedJnqJRE-01301-00301959-00302303 held in 2011 and 2012 when dan castner E_GedJnqJRE-01302-00302304-00302582 took the helm as scientific director E_GedJnqJRE-01303-00302583-00302758 well with the recent appointment of E_GedJnqJRE-01304-00302759-00302951 charles rotimi as the new nhgri E_GedJnqJRE-01305-00302952-00303103 scientific director it seemed an E_GedJnqJRE-01306-00303104-00303310 appropriate time to have a blue ribbon E_GedJnqJRE-01307-00303311-00303719 panel review of the nhgri irp again E_GedJnqJRE-01308-00303720-00303934 and so as such i have assembled the E_GedJnqJRE-01309-00303935-00304158 following panel of eight external E_GedJnqJRE-01310-00304159-00304351 experts and put them under the E_GedJnqJRE-01311-00304352-00304615 leadership of two outstanding co-chairs E_GedJnqJRE-01312-00304616-00304839 who are members of this advisory council E_GedJnqJRE-01313-00304840-00305079 gal jarvik and lynn jordy E_GedJnqJRE-01314-00305080-00305303 and this panel will conduct their review E_GedJnqJRE-01315-00305304-00305623 from essentially now may 2022 until a E_GedJnqJRE-01316-00305624-00305887 year from now may in 2023 E_GedJnqJRE-01317-00305888-00306063 and you can expect that the co-chairs E_GedJnqJRE-01318-00306064-00306254 will present their final report from E_GedJnqJRE-01319-00306255-00306499 this blue ribbon panel review at the may E_GedJnqJRE-01320-00306500-00306903 2023 meeting of this advisory council E_GedJnqJRE-01321-00306904-00307167 i and the broader nhri leadership look E_GedJnqJRE-01322-00307168-00307375 forward to the feedback and advice from E_GedJnqJRE-01323-00307376-00307591 the panel about our intramural research E_GedJnqJRE-01324-00307592-00307806 program which currently has an annual E_GedJnqJRE-01325-00307807-00308071 budget in the neighborhood about 125 E_GedJnqJRE-01326-00308072-00308287 million dollars and we're particularly E_GedJnqJRE-01327-00308288-00308487 excited to hear their thoughts about the E_GedJnqJRE-01328-00308488-00308671 coming decade for our intramural E_GedJnqJRE-01329-00308672-00308967 research program E_GedJnqJRE-01330-00308968-00309199 and before i end my director's report i E_GedJnqJRE-01331-00309200-00309382 want to again remind you E_GedJnqJRE-01332-00309383-00309679 about a user-friendly one-stop shop for E_GedJnqJRE-01333-00309680-00309943 staying connected with me and nhgri and E_GedJnqJRE-01334-00309944-00310158 by visiting this webpage through this E_GedJnqJRE-01335-00310159-00310423 convenient url and then scrolling down E_GedJnqJRE-01336-00310424-00310606 you get this menu of nine major E_GedJnqJRE-01337-00310607-00310830 resources associated with the institute E_GedJnqJRE-01338-00310831-00311039 this includes links to genome.gov E_GedJnqJRE-01339-00311040-00311143 website E_GedJnqJRE-01340-00311144-00311310 the genomics landscape monthly E_GedJnqJRE-01341-00311311-00311575 newsletter and my twitter feed there's E_GedJnqJRE-01342-00311576-00311823 also convenient links to the 2020 nhri E_GedJnqJRE-01343-00311824-00312087 strategic vision the nhgri 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people E_GedJnqJRE-01358-00315120-00315382 find this one-stop shop helpful uh when E_GedJnqJRE-01359-00315383-00315582 trying to stay connected with me and E_GedJnqJRE-01360-00315583-00315815 nhgri E_GedJnqJRE-01361-00315816-00316006 finally a personal thanks to my many E_GedJnqJRE-01362-00316007-00316199 nhri staff members who contributed to E_GedJnqJRE-01363-00316200-00316391 the slides and associate materials that E_GedJnqJRE-01364-00316392-00316615 i just reviewed and as always a group E_GedJnqJRE-01365-00316616-00316903 effort to pull this off a huge amount of E_GedJnqJRE-01366-00316904-00317095 information i just conveyed E_GedJnqJRE-01367-00317096-00317254 and that also included the efforts of E_GedJnqJRE-01368-00317255-00317391 our office communication staff for E_GedJnqJRE-01369-00317392-00317543 creating the electronic resource E_GedJnqJRE-01370-00317544-00317782 associated with my director's report and E_GedJnqJRE-01371-00317783-00317951 of course a special thanks to my E_GedJnqJRE-01372-00317952-00318151 ringleader for helping me for over a E_GedJnqJRE-01373-00318152-00318479 decade now do this uh chris rudderstrand E_GedJnqJRE-01374-00318480-00318647 uh we usually show a picture of chris at E_GedJnqJRE-01375-00318648-00318830 this point but chris declined providing E_GedJnqJRE-01376-00318831-00319079 a photo this time but rather offered up E_GedJnqJRE-01377-00319080-00319215 this photo E_GedJnqJRE-01378-00319216-00319303 of E_GedJnqJRE-01379-00319304-00319527 uh which is now it's right up here the E_GedJnqJRE-01380-00319528-00319782 entrance to my director suite where a E_GedJnqJRE-01381-00319783-00320071 masked cardboard version of myself has E_GedJnqJRE-01382-00320072-00320295 been standing by for the last few weeks E_GedJnqJRE-01383-00320296-00320575 as we are welcoming staff back to the E_GedJnqJRE-01384-00320576-00320743 physical workspace E_GedJnqJRE-01385-00320744-00320879 so with that E_GedJnqJRE-01386-00320880-00321087 i will stop and bring my director's E_GedJnqJRE-01387-00321088-00321182 report E_GedJnqJRE-01388-00321183-00321471 to a close and i am happy to take any E_GedJnqJRE-01389-00321472-00321671 questions many council members have E_GedJnqJRE-01390-00321672-00322695 questions E_GedJnqJRE-01391-00322696-00322863 i will look for hands if there are any E_GedJnqJRE-01392-00322864-00323527 questions E_GedJnqJRE-01393-00323528-00323710 all right thank you very much eric for E_GedJnqJRE-01394-00323711-00324023 that report uh dr shannon zank has E_GedJnqJRE-01395-00324024-00324223 joined us she's next on the agenda would E_GedJnqJRE-01396-00324224-00325327 you like to introduce her E_GedJnqJRE-01397-00325328-00325535 you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00000-00000000-00000250 the um some of the things I wish I had EAKVuhyNBnQ-00001-00000252-00000430 known when I first started when I first EAKVuhyNBnQ-00002-00000431-00000676 started investing uh some quick EAKVuhyNBnQ-00003-00000677-00001235 background EAKVuhyNBnQ-00004-00001236-00001415 um yeah I've started and sold three EAKVuhyNBnQ-00005-00001416-00001655 internet companies I'm now working on my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00006-00001655-00001829 fourth startup EAKVuhyNBnQ-00007-00001830-00002014 um I'm an investor uh and an EAKVuhyNBnQ-00008-00002016-00002110 entrepreneur EAKVuhyNBnQ-00009-00002111-00002260 so I've been on both sides of the table EAKVuhyNBnQ-00010-00002261-00002549 uh over the years I've invested in over EAKVuhyNBnQ-00011-00002550-00002915 100 startups and um 25 in the last two EAKVuhyNBnQ-00012-00002916-00003179 years so uh on average I do about one a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00013-00003180-00003245 month EAKVuhyNBnQ-00014-00003246-00003611 and I've had uh 20 plus exits uh in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00015-00003611-00003935 total since I first started investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00016-00003936-00004163 most of the data I'm going to share is a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00017-00004164-00004427 data that I've data from my investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00018-00004428-00004804 up until 2018. EAKVuhyNBnQ-00019-00004805-00005183 um for the last three since 2018 most of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00020-00005184-00005291 them are still EAKVuhyNBnQ-00021-00005292-00005452 um many of the most of them are still in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00022-00005453-00005668 play and many of them are still the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00023-00005669-00005938 markups are still um on paper so I'm not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00024-00005939-00006610 really diving into those Investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00025-00006611-00006928 so sectors that I invest in uh there's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00026-00006929-00007241 there's AI in deep Tech EAKVuhyNBnQ-00027-00007242-00007498 um blockchain EAKVuhyNBnQ-00028-00007500-00007846 um so I pretty much invest in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00029-00007847-00008146 in sectors in all over the place EAKVuhyNBnQ-00030-00008147-00008374 um and I tend to be quite I tend to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00031-00008375-00008783 quite sector agnostic EAKVuhyNBnQ-00032-00008784-00008957 so some of the some of the exits I've EAKVuhyNBnQ-00033-00008958-00009095 had over the years EAKVuhyNBnQ-00034-00009096-00009341 um my the best investment by far has EAKVuhyNBnQ-00035-00009342-00009533 been a cryptocurrency company called EAKVuhyNBnQ-00036-00009534-00009689 Ripple EAKVuhyNBnQ-00037-00009690-00009946 um so that was a 150x return then these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00038-00009947-00010145 are all uh returns in cash EAKVuhyNBnQ-00039-00010146-00010427 and I'll be diving into many of them in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00040-00010428-00010678 more detail in terms of some of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00041-00010679-00010877 lessons learned from these from these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00042-00010878-00011099 Investments and I'll also be covering a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00043-00011100-00011410 few of my misses uh some uh or my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00044-00011411-00011674 anti-portfolio companies I wish I had EAKVuhyNBnQ-00045-00011675-00011921 invested in and what sort of what EAKVuhyNBnQ-00046-00011922-00012437 lessons I've learned from that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00047-00012438-00012701 so typical investment size EAKVuhyNBnQ-00048-00012702-00013013 um this is in US Dollars between 50 000 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00049-00013013-00013253 and 100 000 uh this is my own Capital EAKVuhyNBnQ-00050-00013254-00013480 that I invest so I'm not investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00051-00013481-00013721 through a fund or through a Syndicate I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00052-00013722-00013961 invest directly in startups EAKVuhyNBnQ-00053-00013962-00014321 uh pre-seed and and Seed stage EAKVuhyNBnQ-00054-00014322-00014621 um so most of them are very early most EAKVuhyNBnQ-00055-00014622-00014891 of them are uh pre-product or they may EAKVuhyNBnQ-00056-00014891-00015149 have some sort of a early early version EAKVuhyNBnQ-00057-00015150-00015527 or beta and um and many of them are uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00058-00015528-00015785 and almost all of them are pre-revenue EAKVuhyNBnQ-00059-00015786-00016091 so uh come in come in really early EAKVuhyNBnQ-00060-00016091-00016391 um I love being the um the first check EAKVuhyNBnQ-00061-00016392-00016535 in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00062-00016536-00016865 um and um yeah I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00063-00016866-00017080 um some of the Investments I'm most EAKVuhyNBnQ-00064-00017081-00017380 proud of are where I was the uh where I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00065-00017381-00017579 was the first investor EAKVuhyNBnQ-00066-00017580-00017722 um yeah something I learned as an EAKVuhyNBnQ-00067-00017723-00017879 entrepreneur is most it's a little EAKVuhyNBnQ-00068-00017880-00018107 easier once you have the initial EAKVuhyNBnQ-00069-00018108-00018407 investor on board or initial commitment EAKVuhyNBnQ-00070-00018408-00018730 then it becomes a lot easier to uh to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00071-00018731-00018941 close around uh very few investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-00072-00018942-00019163 typically want to be the first one most EAKVuhyNBnQ-00073-00019164-00019355 investors like to see it as a bit of a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00074-00019356-00019505 moving train you know they want to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00075-00019506-00019685 the last one before you'll catch the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00076-00019686-00019997 trade not many have the courage and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00077-00019998-00020297 conviction unfortunately to uh to commit EAKVuhyNBnQ-00078-00020298-00020464 early especially if you're a first-time EAKVuhyNBnQ-00079-00020465-00020849 entrepreneur so I love uh if I uh when I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00080-00020850-00021011 find a deal that I'm that where I have EAKVuhyNBnQ-00081-00021012-00021233 high conviction I love to be the first EAKVuhyNBnQ-00082-00021234-00021491 investor on board EAKVuhyNBnQ-00083-00021492-00021785 any any it's a small group so I can you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00084-00021786-00022043 know tailor my tailor it a little more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00085-00022044-00022319 uh any is the speed okay is so any EAKVuhyNBnQ-00086-00022320-00022525 questions so far EAKVuhyNBnQ-00087-00022526-00022841 you're doing those initial Investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00088-00022842-00022978 like that and you like to be the first EAKVuhyNBnQ-00089-00022979-00023219 on board do you let other people invest EAKVuhyNBnQ-00090-00023220-00023441 alongside you with that initial yeah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00091-00023442-00023650 yeah very good question yeah so so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00092-00023651-00023933 typically so these uh so I don't lead uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00093-00023934-00024143 investment I don't and not anymore uh I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00094-00024144-00024305 don't lead investment rounds so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00095-00024306-00024539 typically it's um so these are EAKVuhyNBnQ-00096-00024540-00024797 relatively small Investments so 50k to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00097-00024798-00024899 100K EAKVuhyNBnQ-00098-00024900-00025157 in done most of my recent Investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00099-00025158-00025403 have been in the UK the typical size of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00100-00025404-00025618 a seed round is about half a million EAKVuhyNBnQ-00101-00025619-00025787 pounds about six hundred thousand EAKVuhyNBnQ-00102-00025788-00026020 dollars or so so it's a small part of a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00103-00026022-00026345 seed round uh so I typically uh the way EAKVuhyNBnQ-00104-00026345-00026590 it works is as a lead investor who has EAKVuhyNBnQ-00105-00026591-00026914 negotiated terms and I'm coming in for a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00106-00026916-00027124 part of the round EAKVuhyNBnQ-00107-00027125-00027383 um I used to do more I've done some lead EAKVuhyNBnQ-00108-00027383-00027502 investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00109-00027504-00027677 um but I don't uh don't do that anymore EAKVuhyNBnQ-00110-00027677-00027940 I've just found it to be very very time EAKVuhyNBnQ-00111-00027941-00028174 consuming to do it properly so typically EAKVuhyNBnQ-00112-00028175-00028540 I um I come in as as a part of a round EAKVuhyNBnQ-00113-00028541-00028835 so 50k to 100K is usually you know if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00114-00028836-00029201 it's um 500k round it's about five EAKVuhyNBnQ-00115-00029202-00029477 percent of 150k investment would be 10 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00116-00029477-00030173 of the round EAKVuhyNBnQ-00117-00030174-00030358 where do I invest EAKVuhyNBnQ-00118-00030360-00030640 um I've done 80 so I was based in the US EAKVuhyNBnQ-00119-00030641-00030845 I went to University in the US and I was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00120-00030845-00031114 based in the US for about 25 years EAKVuhyNBnQ-00121-00031116-00031349 so uh most of my initial investing was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00122-00031350-00031583 in the US and about five years ago I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00123-00031583-00031918 moved to the UK and uh more many of my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00124-00031919-00032099 more recent Investments have been in the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00125-00032100-00032231 UK EAKVuhyNBnQ-00126-00032232-00032393 um the rest have been the rest have been EAKVuhyNBnQ-00127-00032394-00032627 all over yet to make my first investment EAKVuhyNBnQ-00128-00032627-00032879 in New Zealand but I'm going to be in uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00129-00032880-00033083 in New Zealand with my family for a few EAKVuhyNBnQ-00130-00033084-00033335 months I'm moving actually moving there EAKVuhyNBnQ-00131-00033336-00033593 next week so very excited about seeing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00132-00033594-00033724 some good deals in New Zealand and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00133-00033725-00034037 making some investments in New Zealand EAKVuhyNBnQ-00134-00034038-00034462 um yeah it's uh uh I have I tend to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00135-00034463-00034799 um I tend to invest I like to invest in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00136-00034800-00035062 um in the in the location where I am so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00137-00035063-00035212 when I was in the US I would do most of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00138-00035213-00035362 my investments when I was in San EAKVuhyNBnQ-00139-00035363-00035561 Francisco I did most of my investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00140-00035562-00035968 in in the Bay Area uh and um in the UK EAKVuhyNBnQ-00141-00035969-00036161 I've been based in London and I've been EAKVuhyNBnQ-00142-00036162-00036340 doing most of my investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00143-00036341-00036701 um uh in in the UK now I I tend to like EAKVuhyNBnQ-00144-00036702-00036857 to um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00145-00036858-00037090 meet with entrepreneurs in person and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00146-00037091-00037301 connect with the founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-00147-00037302-00037409 um so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00148-00037410-00037621 um which is why I prefer to do EAKVuhyNBnQ-00149-00037622-00037852 investments in the area where I'm based EAKVuhyNBnQ-00150-00037853-00038027 at the time I've sort of traveled all EAKVuhyNBnQ-00151-00038028-00038357 over so uh whenever I'm based although a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00152-00038358-00038518 few of these other companies I'm talking EAKVuhyNBnQ-00153-00038519-00038668 about have been EAKVuhyNBnQ-00154-00038669-00038890 um I met the founders on trips to these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00155-00038891-00039046 countries except for the South Korean EAKVuhyNBnQ-00156-00039047-00039365 one where I met the founder in the UK EAKVuhyNBnQ-00157-00039366-00039545 very much have you found that that will EAKVuhyNBnQ-00158-00039546-00039743 change much now you know how covert's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00159-00039744-00039965 made more people EAKVuhyNBnQ-00160-00039966-00040259 um make investments online yeah yeah so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00161-00040260-00040468 I didn't so I was uh during covet of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00162-00040469-00040679 course I made more all uh most of my all EAKVuhyNBnQ-00163-00040680-00040889 my investments were made online EAKVuhyNBnQ-00164-00040890-00041074 um something I noticed EAKVuhyNBnQ-00165-00041075-00041471 um in London this uh uh started about a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00166-00041472-00041729 year ago in in many of the deals that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00167-00041730-00041921 were competitive EAKVuhyNBnQ-00168-00041922-00042209 um investors who were actually present EAKVuhyNBnQ-00169-00042210-00042418 had a had a big competitive Advantage EAKVuhyNBnQ-00170-00042419-00042761 because the um you know people are just EAKVuhyNBnQ-00171-00042762-00042989 Keen both the founders and other EAKVuhyNBnQ-00172-00042990-00043205 investors who share deals we're just EAKVuhyNBnQ-00173-00043206-00043529 more keen on uh interacting in person as EAKVuhyNBnQ-00174-00043530-00043762 sort of a reaction to Kobe right similar EAKVuhyNBnQ-00175-00043763-00043877 to what's happening from some of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00176-00043878-00044135 work from home stuff many uh many EAKVuhyNBnQ-00177-00044136-00044321 employers now are moving now going EAKVuhyNBnQ-00178-00044322-00044645 hybrid or going back to the office so I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00179-00044646-00044861 found something similar happening with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00180-00044862-00045101 uh especially with competitive deals uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00181-00045102-00045305 although during covet I think many EAKVuhyNBnQ-00182-00045306-00045617 U.S investor many U.S investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-00183-00045618-00045887 um us were investing directly in in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00184-00045888-00046205 startups in London uh and as a result EAKVuhyNBnQ-00185-00046206-00046421 the valuations in the UK also went up a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00186-00046422-00046618 lot because many uh many startups of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00187-00046619-00046805 getting Investments directly from funds EAKVuhyNBnQ-00188-00046806-00047177 and investors uh from the US EAKVuhyNBnQ-00189-00047178-00047524 yeah so uh I uh that's my I I was there EAKVuhyNBnQ-00190-00047525-00047746 was also maybe it's also part of it is a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00191-00047747-00047849 little uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00192-00047850-00048011 was a little fatigue which is doing it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00193-00048012-00048190 online he just wanted to interact with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00194-00048191-00048485 people in person so uh but I've always EAKVuhyNBnQ-00195-00048486-00048695 had a preference to meet the to meet the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00196-00048696-00049330 founders in person EAKVuhyNBnQ-00197-00049331-00049702 so in terms of uh how I've done so far EAKVuhyNBnQ-00198-00049703-00049774 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00199-00049775-00049955 so what about 40 percent of my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00200-00049956-00050333 investments I get uh I get zero back EAKVuhyNBnQ-00201-00050334-00050608 um thirty percent it's close to my money EAKVuhyNBnQ-00202-00050609-00050873 back so some anywhere from point you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00203-00050874-00051257 know it's 0.7.8 X to about 1.2 x EAKVuhyNBnQ-00204-00051258-00051442 that is the other 30 that makes it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00205-00051444-00051592 really interesting from a financial EAKVuhyNBnQ-00206-00051594-00051899 standpoint anywhere from uh three three EAKVuhyNBnQ-00207-00051900-00052313 x uh to 100x EAKVuhyNBnQ-00208-00052314-00052666 and off that off the off that 30 you'll EAKVuhyNBnQ-00209-00052667-00052769 see it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00210-00052770-00053044 um about maybe one to two percent I mean EAKVuhyNBnQ-00211-00053045-00053332 of the about uh one to two percent of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00212-00053333-00053585 the total is going to be 100 x EAKVuhyNBnQ-00213-00053586-00053903 so it's uh you have to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00214-00053904-00054149 um it's a very very small percentage of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00215-00054150-00054365 your Investments that actually give you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00216-00054366-00054563 a good return When with Angel Investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00217-00054564-00054838 it's really it's really really difficult EAKVuhyNBnQ-00218-00054839-00055326 foreign EAKVuhyNBnQ-00219-00055327-00055565 go into a few EAKVuhyNBnQ-00220-00055566-00055841 um a few uh Investments that I that some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00221-00055841-00056104 highlights investments from where EAKVuhyNBnQ-00222-00056105-00056261 um where which have been good EAKVuhyNBnQ-00223-00056262-00056482 financially and from which I also EAKVuhyNBnQ-00224-00056483-00056842 learned some valuable lessons so one of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00225-00056844-00057154 my when I first got into EAKVuhyNBnQ-00226-00057155-00057299 um Angel Investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00227-00057300-00057454 um which was after I sold my first EAKVuhyNBnQ-00228-00057455-00057676 startup it was a it was a little more ad EAKVuhyNBnQ-00229-00057677-00057959 hoc uh I was just uh I was investing in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00230-00057960-00058223 investing in friends companies EAKVuhyNBnQ-00231-00058224-00058366 um I had been through EAKVuhyNBnQ-00232-00058367-00058576 um it was quite it had been what a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00233-00058577-00058715 struggle for me as a first-time EAKVuhyNBnQ-00234-00058716-00059038 entrepreneur uh to raise Capital EAKVuhyNBnQ-00235-00059039-00059242 um for my own startup uh because I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00236-00059244-00059404 didn't have a track record Etc so I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00237-00059405-00059632 wanted to I started off wanting to help EAKVuhyNBnQ-00238-00059633-00059873 my friends who were starting companies EAKVuhyNBnQ-00239-00059874-00060107 so that's how I first started so I would EAKVuhyNBnQ-00240-00060108-00060394 so uh this was sort of this was in this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00241-00060395-00060575 was in those days when I did the a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00242-00060576-00060803 little after that so AVG I would say was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00243-00060804-00060959 my first sort of more of a professional EAKVuhyNBnQ-00244-00060960-00061241 investment where uh it was not a it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00245-00061241-00061409 not a free friends company that I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00246-00061410-00061630 invested in and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00247-00061632-00061930 um I happened to be in traveling through EAKVuhyNBnQ-00248-00061932-00062219 the Czech Republic at that time and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00249-00062220-00062387 um actually I happened to be traveling EAKVuhyNBnQ-00250-00062388-00062597 the Czech Republic EAKVuhyNBnQ-00251-00062598-00062849 um a few months before this happened and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00252-00062850-00063125 uh and met some local investors uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00253-00063126-00063538 during my during my trip there and um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00254-00063539-00063826 went on to help one of the investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-00255-00063827-00064138 portfolio companies I put the portfolio EAKVuhyNBnQ-00256-00064139-00064415 the founder of the portfolio company uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00257-00064416-00064661 with some of my uh connected him with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00258-00064662-00064900 some of my contacts in San Francisco EAKVuhyNBnQ-00259-00064901-00065159 and kept in touch with this with his EAKVuhyNBnQ-00260-00065160-00065476 investor and then he uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00261-00065477-00065794 met uh mentioned this deal AVG which is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00262-00065795-00066059 a which is now a public publicly traded EAKVuhyNBnQ-00263-00066060-00066329 security software company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00264-00066330-00066611 um told me about AVG and I it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00265-00066612-00066779 actually a very very competitive local EAKVuhyNBnQ-00266-00066780-00066905 deal EAKVuhyNBnQ-00267-00066906-00067319 um uh in uh in the Czech Republic but I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00268-00067320-00067547 was able to get into that deal because EAKVuhyNBnQ-00269-00067548-00067744 of my because at Health one of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00270-00067745-00067967 investors portfolio companies before so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00271-00067968-00068129 the investor was very very keen on EAKVuhyNBnQ-00272-00068130-00068494 having me uh on the cap table EAKVuhyNBnQ-00273-00068495-00068615 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00274-00068616-00068765 so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00275-00068766-00068999 um I got the deal thanks to good EAKVuhyNBnQ-00276-00069000-00069185 collaboration with local Angels so I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00277-00069186-00069479 think if you're uh if you're of if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00278-00069480-00069671 you're uh getting into early stage EAKVuhyNBnQ-00279-00069672-00069905 investing and want EAKVuhyNBnQ-00280-00069906-00070103 um and won't want to get good deal flow EAKVuhyNBnQ-00281-00070104-00070253 I mean deal flow is going to be is the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00282-00070254-00070438 heart of good investing right you need EAKVuhyNBnQ-00283-00070439-00070721 to see a lot of a lot of a lot of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00284-00070722-00070943 interesting deals to be to be able to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00285-00070944-00071179 make to be able to make those good bets EAKVuhyNBnQ-00286-00071180-00071494 and one way to get better deal flow is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00287-00071495-00071699 to either directly help the founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-00288-00071700-00071855 where EAKVuhyNBnQ-00289-00071856-00072029 um and then Founders will tell their EAKVuhyNBnQ-00290-00072030-00072311 friends and tell them tell their to our EAKVuhyNBnQ-00291-00072312-00072503 fellow entrepreneurs that you want this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00292-00072504-00072731 investor on your cap table you can add EAKVuhyNBnQ-00293-00072732-00073006 value so that's one way to get better to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00294-00073007-00073163 get good deals and the other way to get EAKVuhyNBnQ-00295-00073164-00073325 good deals is to help investors with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00296-00073326-00073487 their portfolio companies EAKVuhyNBnQ-00297-00073488-00073841 so if it is um if it is something you're EAKVuhyNBnQ-00298-00073842-00074135 just getting into and this is a good way EAKVuhyNBnQ-00299-00074136-00074387 to sort of increase your chances of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00300-00074388-00074573 getting good deals just by being helpful EAKVuhyNBnQ-00301-00074574-00074897 to Founders and um or uh or other EAKVuhyNBnQ-00302-00074898-00075100 investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-00303-00075101-00075256 um so I've got this because the investor EAKVuhyNBnQ-00304-00075257-00075509 was very keen on having me as a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00305-00075510-00075676 shareholder EAKVuhyNBnQ-00306-00075677-00075947 um one of the mistakes I did make was uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00307-00075948-00076235 and I'll cover this a little more was I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00308-00076236-00076517 I had the chance uh to do a secondary EAKVuhyNBnQ-00309-00076518-00076709 and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00310-00076710-00076943 um which is where you can set a part of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00311-00076944-00077105 it where you can sell your stake before EAKVuhyNBnQ-00312-00077106-00077350 the company gets acquired or before the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00313-00077351-00077591 company goes public and the mistake I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00314-00077592-00077873 made was very I cashed out my entire 100 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00315-00077874-00078017 stake EAKVuhyNBnQ-00316-00078018-00078341 so uh what I what I learned from that is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00317-00078342-00078569 um you know keep some you know keep some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00318-00078570-00078809 money on you know it's good to getting EAKVuhyNBnQ-00319-00078810-00079019 liquidity is a good thing but it's also EAKVuhyNBnQ-00320-00079020-00079282 good to keep some money on the table for EAKVuhyNBnQ-00321-00079283-00079582 for uh you know for a uh for for you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00322-00079583-00079835 know a Raja moonshot return so it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00323-00079836-00079979 still a very good return it was still a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00324-00079980-00080273 25x return but the if I had kept even a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00325-00080274-00080555 small fraction of that say 20 of that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00326-00080556-00080723 that would have gone on to have been EAKVuhyNBnQ-00327-00080724-00080956 under the 10x so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00328-00080957-00081065 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00329-00081066-00081335 that's it it is it is a tricky it is a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00330-00081336-00081485 tricky one though because it's because EAKVuhyNBnQ-00331-00081486-00081838 the whole evaluation process for EAKVuhyNBnQ-00332-00081839-00081925 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00333-00081926-00082300 evaluating you know a deal where it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00334-00082301-00082493 um at this stage so this was they were EAKVuhyNBnQ-00335-00082494-00082673 being the company was being valued at EAKVuhyNBnQ-00336-00082674-00082882 around 75 million it's a little EAKVuhyNBnQ-00337-00082883-00083219 different from evaluating an early stage EAKVuhyNBnQ-00338-00083220-00083417 a very early stage deal Which is less EAKVuhyNBnQ-00339-00083418-00083567 about EAKVuhyNBnQ-00340-00083568-00083782 um uh Which is less about the revenues EAKVuhyNBnQ-00341-00083783-00083909 and it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00342-00083910-00084143 um so the the whole criteria was where EAKVuhyNBnQ-00343-00084144-00084305 it was very different which is what made EAKVuhyNBnQ-00344-00084306-00084599 it a bit harder for me to evaluate but EAKVuhyNBnQ-00345-00084600-00084881 looking back uh I would still I would EAKVuhyNBnQ-00346-00084882-00085037 always leave something on I would always EAKVuhyNBnQ-00347-00085038-00085259 they'll never Cash Out 100 a full 100 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00348-00085260-00085499 again if I have the option to do so if I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00349-00085500-00085685 have the option to keep something on the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00350-00085686-00085871 table let you know go uh continue EAKVuhyNBnQ-00351-00085872-00086135 continue to go for the ride uh in that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00352-00086136-00086435 situation EAKVuhyNBnQ-00353-00086436-00086656 so that was that was the uh sort of an EAKVuhyNBnQ-00354-00086657-00086891 early sort of early EAKVuhyNBnQ-00355-00086892-00086950 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00356-00086951-00087293 experience with um with sort of a more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00357-00087294-00087455 professional investment this was back I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00358-00087456-00087971 made the investment back in uh was it it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00359-00087972-00088276 was too late 2003 and I was able to was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00360-00088277-00088756 very lucky got able to was able to uh uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00361-00088757-00089075 uh you know liquidate my stake about 18 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00362-00089076-00089387 months after so it is a very very uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00363-00089388-00089717 good return uh in terms of um in in that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00364-00089718-00090293 in that short in that short time frame EAKVuhyNBnQ-00365-00090294-00090605 one of the uh one of the other EAKVuhyNBnQ-00366-00090606-00090881 um Investments that I made which is um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00367-00090882-00091018 which has been a great sort of return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00368-00091019-00091241 Financial return was the was the comp EAKVuhyNBnQ-00369-00091242-00091391 was a cryptocurrency company called EAKVuhyNBnQ-00370-00091392-00091523 Ripple EAKVuhyNBnQ-00371-00091524-00091775 um I invested in their seed round uh in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00372-00091776-00092056 I think it was March 2013. EAKVuhyNBnQ-00373-00092057-00092429 and um Ripple went on to create this uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00374-00092430-00092843 the company the company was was uh uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00375-00092844-00093023 was what was it called at that time they EAKVuhyNBnQ-00376-00093024-00093250 had it it was called some Labs at that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00377-00093251-00093479 time Ripple Labs here it's called Ripple EAKVuhyNBnQ-00378-00093480-00093767 labs and they went on to form to have EAKVuhyNBnQ-00379-00093768-00094073 this token called xrp which became which EAKVuhyNBnQ-00380-00094074-00094285 is one of the which is a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00381-00094286-00094756 successful cryptocurrency uh token and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00382-00094757-00094823 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00383-00094824-00095093 this was uh this was through Ripple is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00384-00095094-00095488 still not public so this was actually uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00385-00095489-00095711 uh got my return in a series of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00386-00095712-00095950 secondaries where I sold these my shares EAKVuhyNBnQ-00387-00095951-00096268 in Ripple to uh to other to other EAKVuhyNBnQ-00388-00096269-00096461 investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-00389-00096462-00096737 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00390-00096738-00097006 do you still invest in crypto now very EAKVuhyNBnQ-00391-00097007-00097300 much yes yes I'm still I'm still not I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00392-00097301-00097487 haven't been I haven't been very active EAKVuhyNBnQ-00393-00097488-00097775 recently uh in crypto but uh yeah I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00394-00097776-00097894 still I'm still very interested in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00395-00097895-00098297 blockchain and blockchain startups yeah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00396-00098298-00098561 uh some of the some of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00397-00098562-00098921 um the the factors which uh which led to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00398-00098922-00099143 it being a successful investment Bitcoin EAKVuhyNBnQ-00399-00099144-00099359 was I just had heard about Bitcoin a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00400-00099360-00099529 couple of months ago this was in early EAKVuhyNBnQ-00401-00099530-00099856 2013. and Bitcoin was already on a tear EAKVuhyNBnQ-00402-00099857-00100097 it had gone up and uh it was very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-00403-00100098-00100481 raw at that time so ripples EAKVuhyNBnQ-00404-00100482-00100726 um their value prop was actually to be a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00405-00100727-00100943 better version of Bitcoin a version of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00406-00100944-00101281 Bitcoin with better settlement mechanics EAKVuhyNBnQ-00407-00101282-00101747 and um a Bitcoin plus plus uh and um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00408-00101748-00101974 that was that was what they wanted to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00409-00101975-00102305 apply it to the uh for the uh money EAKVuhyNBnQ-00410-00102306-00102454 transfer market for the global money EAKVuhyNBnQ-00411-00102455-00102586 transfer market EAKVuhyNBnQ-00412-00102588-00102803 so they were going after they were going EAKVuhyNBnQ-00413-00102804-00103018 after a huge Market EAKVuhyNBnQ-00414-00103019-00103499 um and it was also being led by uh the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00415-00103500-00103840 CEO had had an experience in had had EAKVuhyNBnQ-00416-00103841-00104056 experience before but hadn't had a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00417-00104057-00104260 successful exit under the belt it was a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00418-00104261-00104482 super smart super talented very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-00419-00104483-00104777 driven founder and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00420-00104778-00105125 um he was you know hugely motivated to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00421-00105126-00105365 create a big outcome so that was that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00422-00105366-00105586 was a big factor in the success of in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00423-00105588-00105881 the success of Ripple and I also um I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00424-00105882-00106043 shared this deal with a friend of mine EAKVuhyNBnQ-00425-00106044-00106384 who is a who has who has formed who has EAKVuhyNBnQ-00426-00106385-00106607 started very successful fintech EAKVuhyNBnQ-00427-00106608-00106907 companies and his um his advice to me EAKVuhyNBnQ-00428-00106908-00107236 was not to invest uh in Ripple and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00429-00107238-00107483 fortunately I I didn't I didn't I didn't EAKVuhyNBnQ-00430-00107483-00107783 I didn't take his advice and uh brings EAKVuhyNBnQ-00431-00107783-00108028 up an interesting point about you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-00432-00108029-00108365 about getting do you want to get uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00433-00108366-00108707 um the advice from experts in the domain EAKVuhyNBnQ-00434-00108708-00108904 because when you're doing as an angel EAKVuhyNBnQ-00435-00108905-00109060 investor they may be they're always EAKVuhyNBnQ-00436-00109061-00109204 going to be people who understand the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00437-00109205-00109457 domain better than you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00438-00109458-00109636 um so it's an interesting one I mean I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00439-00109638-00109840 think um most uh you just have to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00440-00109841-00110093 realize that most experts have their own EAKVuhyNBnQ-00441-00110094-00110260 biases so if you if you can understand EAKVuhyNBnQ-00442-00110261-00110460 what they're where they're coming from EAKVuhyNBnQ-00443-00110461-00110752 it can it can help it can help with that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00444-00110753-00110873 but EAKVuhyNBnQ-00445-00110874-00111184 um in quite often experts can can get it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00446-00111185-00111407 wrong when it comes to especially if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00447-00111408-00111490 it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00448-00111491-00111640 if it's a company that's going to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00449-00111641-00111983 disruptive uh in in their sector EAKVuhyNBnQ-00450-00111983-00112252 um I mean the other the one more example EAKVuhyNBnQ-00451-00112253-00112558 that comes to mind is Airbnb uh if you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00452-00112559-00112865 had gone and spoken to experts in in the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00453-00112866-00112990 hospitality industry or the hotel EAKVuhyNBnQ-00454-00112991-00113104 industry EAKVuhyNBnQ-00455-00113105-00113327 they would have probably many of them EAKVuhyNBnQ-00456-00113328-00113483 would have probably said no it's not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00457-00113483-00113639 it's not a good investment it's going to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00458-00113640-00113836 be it's it's these are illegal it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00459-00113838-00113945 going to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00460-00113946-00114190 they're going to be a regulatory EAKVuhyNBnQ-00461-00114191-00114371 barriers it's just not going to work EAKVuhyNBnQ-00462-00114372-00114515 people are not going to want to stay in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00463-00114516-00114671 apartments where the travels are not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00464-00114672-00114845 clean or whatever don't have EAKVuhyNBnQ-00465-00114846-00115163 professional Hotel standards so uh it is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00466-00115164-00115495 uh uh you know they can they can get EAKVuhyNBnQ-00467-00115496-00115721 experts can get it wrong I think it's it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00468-00115722-00115997 depends on how you so you have to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00469-00115998-00116051 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00470-00116052-00116201 I know if you're getting into Angel EAKVuhyNBnQ-00471-00116202-00116393 Investing you have to develop your own EAKVuhyNBnQ-00472-00116394-00116645 sort of style and see EAKVuhyNBnQ-00473-00116646-00116915 um what works for you so that lessons EAKVuhyNBnQ-00474-00116916-00117166 the lessons I'm sharing are lessons that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00475-00117167-00117557 work for me so for me it's often EAKVuhyNBnQ-00476-00117558-00117815 the way I like to do it is I'll uh I I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00477-00117816-00118060 would like to get there I would like to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00478-00118061-00118234 get their opinion but you know take it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00479-00118235-00118451 take it to the barrel full of salt uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00480-00118452-00118613 the the opinion of a sort of a domain EAKVuhyNBnQ-00481-00118614-00118840 expert so I didn't I fortunately I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00482-00118841-00119027 didn't listen to the advice of a fintech EAKVuhyNBnQ-00483-00119028-00119321 expert before uh investing in Ripple and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00484-00119322-00119410 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00485-00119411-00119783 it's also uh it's in one of the in a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00486-00119783-00120052 prior investment I think that I had EAKVuhyNBnQ-00487-00120053-00120245 listened to the advice of someone who EAKVuhyNBnQ-00488-00120246-00120436 had much more experience than me and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00489-00120438-00120683 decided to pass on that investment uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00490-00120683-00120845 and that was actually EAKVuhyNBnQ-00491-00120846-00121025 um that was that was sort of what led me EAKVuhyNBnQ-00492-00121026-00121228 to completely ignore the advice of a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00493-00121229-00121571 fintech expert here EAKVuhyNBnQ-00494-00121572-00121763 and it's and it's that's it's even more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00495-00121764-00121936 frustrating when you when you go against EAKVuhyNBnQ-00496-00121938-00122278 your gut and uh and then you at least if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00497-00122279-00122489 you invest if you make that decision EAKVuhyNBnQ-00498-00122490-00122734 based on your gut you have you can say EAKVuhyNBnQ-00499-00122735-00122969 oh yeah I you know this is a tough but EAKVuhyNBnQ-00500-00122970-00123143 if you this is a tough game to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00501-00123144-00123334 playing uh Miss is a part of the game EAKVuhyNBnQ-00502-00123335-00123652 but if you do it because of the because EAKVuhyNBnQ-00503-00123653-00123808 of the advice we miss on a big EAKVuhyNBnQ-00504-00123809-00123977 investment because of the advise of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00505-00123978-00124186 someone else uh I'll tell you it's even EAKVuhyNBnQ-00506-00124188-00124343 more it's even it's even more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00507-00124344-00124457 frustrating you'd be kicking yourself EAKVuhyNBnQ-00508-00124458-00124795 even more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00509-00124796-00125165 uh one more another uh example if most EAKVuhyNBnQ-00510-00125166-00125273 of you have probably not heard of this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00511-00125274-00125704 company uh company called uh Isaiah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00512-00125705-00125860 as I thought this was a company I was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00513-00125861-00125999 based in New York at the time and this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00514-00126000-00126131 is a company uh that was actually EAKVuhyNBnQ-00515-00126132-00126347 founded by a close friend of mine uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00516-00126348-00126593 from University and they were providing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00517-00126594-00126947 uh data migration solutions for internet EAKVuhyNBnQ-00518-00126948-00127216 service providers uh so their product EAKVuhyNBnQ-00519-00127217-00127493 will let you this was in the uh invested EAKVuhyNBnQ-00520-00127494-00127733 in them back in 2000 one of mine was one EAKVuhyNBnQ-00521-00127733-00127943 of my early Investments actually uh as EAKVuhyNBnQ-00522-00127944-00128266 an angel investor and their product let EAKVuhyNBnQ-00523-00128267-00128602 you migrate uh from one email account to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00524-00128603-00128813 the other so if you had an account with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00525-00128814-00129173 AOL and you wanted to move your move EAKVuhyNBnQ-00526-00129174-00129563 move to say Yahoo mail or to Hotmail EAKVuhyNBnQ-00527-00129564-00129886 they would um they would work with they EAKVuhyNBnQ-00528-00129888-00130084 actually signed deals with the isps EAKVuhyNBnQ-00529-00130085-00130271 they're working with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00530-00130272-00130516 um uh with Hotmail EAKVuhyNBnQ-00531-00130517-00130775 um or MSN and they would transfer all EAKVuhyNBnQ-00532-00130776-00131033 your emails from one account to the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00533-00131033-00131195 other made it really easy to switch EAKVuhyNBnQ-00534-00131196-00131381 their product was called true switch EAKVuhyNBnQ-00535-00131382-00131639 made it really easy to switch from one EAKVuhyNBnQ-00536-00131640-00131825 email account to the other sounds like a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00537-00131826-00132113 bit of a trivial a trivial product but EAKVuhyNBnQ-00538-00132114-00132371 it was actually a very very uh useful EAKVuhyNBnQ-00539-00132372-00132731 product for consumers and um one of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00540-00132732-00132923 one of the uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00541-00132924-00133102 uh interesting things about their EAKVuhyNBnQ-00542-00133103-00133235 business was they were able to charge EAKVuhyNBnQ-00543-00133236-00133469 both the ISP so they would charge EAKVuhyNBnQ-00544-00133470-00133714 um a Hotmail ten dollars to everyone who EAKVuhyNBnQ-00545-00133715-00133859 switched from AOL and they would charge EAKVuhyNBnQ-00546-00133860-00134051 AOL ten dollars to everyone who switched EAKVuhyNBnQ-00547-00134052-00134345 from Hotmail to AOL uh Google went on to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00548-00134346-00134614 begin to become a large um customer of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00549-00134615-00134735 theirs there were a lot of people EAKVuhyNBnQ-00550-00134736-00134885 switching who wanted to switch from EAKVuhyNBnQ-00551-00134886-00135214 Hotmail to Google and they would pay uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00552-00135215-00135454 they would pay uh Isaiah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00553-00135455-00135773 um for that and um yeah they went on to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00554-00135774-00136061 be acquired by by LinkedIn EAKVuhyNBnQ-00555-00136062-00136390 for uh for about 80 million in in cash EAKVuhyNBnQ-00556-00136391-00136751 and LinkedIn stock uh another funny uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00557-00136752-00136937 aspect of the story is LinkedIn was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00558-00136938-00137201 actually founded four years after after EAKVuhyNBnQ-00559-00137202-00137363 Isaiah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00560-00137364-00137561 um and um they went on to be acquired by EAKVuhyNBnQ-00561-00137562-00137813 LinkedIn so it is actually a very it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00562-00137814-00138119 a very good return uh one one of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00563-00138120-00138449 reasons uh for the for the return being EAKVuhyNBnQ-00564-00138450-00138707 um such a good multiple was because EAKVuhyNBnQ-00565-00138708-00138935 there was very little delusion uh Isaiah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00566-00138936-00139331 had not raised much capital and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00567-00139332-00139709 um as a result the the founders and the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00568-00139710-00139931 investors did very very well EAKVuhyNBnQ-00569-00139932-00140171 um so this has been a better return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00570-00140172-00140423 Dan many um than many of my investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00571-00140424-00140621 where the exit figures have been much EAKVuhyNBnQ-00572-00140622-00140764 higher EAKVuhyNBnQ-00573-00140765-00140987 um where there was there was one company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00574-00140988-00141431 that so isai was acquired in 2012. EAKVuhyNBnQ-00575-00141432-00141616 um many years after my investment but EAKVuhyNBnQ-00576-00141617-00141766 there was one company that was acquired EAKVuhyNBnQ-00577-00141767-00142073 for a company called mashery which was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00578-00142074-00142252 acquired for about 180 million around EAKVuhyNBnQ-00579-00142253-00142535 the same time and that was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00580-00142536-00142589 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00581-00142590-00142828 that was a relatively small Return of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00582-00142829-00143069 the 10x return still still a very good EAKVuhyNBnQ-00583-00143070-00143261 run but relatively small because of all EAKVuhyNBnQ-00584-00143262-00143713 the the dilution that mashery had found EAKVuhyNBnQ-00585-00143714-00143890 shareholders had to go through because EAKVuhyNBnQ-00586-00143891-00144113 they'd raised a lot of capital so one EAKVuhyNBnQ-00587-00144114-00144316 more uh something else is and that you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00588-00144317-00144478 should ask yourself as an angel investor EAKVuhyNBnQ-00589-00144479-00144707 is how much Capital would the company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00590-00144708-00145019 need to raise uh over its lifetime EAKVuhyNBnQ-00591-00145020-00145216 before it can be before there's an exit EAKVuhyNBnQ-00592-00145217-00145481 because if a company needs a lot of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00593-00145482-00145751 capital that's gonna uh that's gonna EAKVuhyNBnQ-00594-00145752-00145931 deal you to you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00595-00145932-00146135 um most almost all the time Angel EAKVuhyNBnQ-00596-00146136-00146316 Investors don't have any anti-dilution EAKVuhyNBnQ-00597-00146317-00146681 uh rights and uh and that's really going EAKVuhyNBnQ-00598-00146682-00146957 to bite into your return uh the delusion EAKVuhyNBnQ-00599-00146958-00147131 can really bite into your return so if a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00600-00147132-00147359 company if you're investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00601-00147360-00147569 let's say a small amount in a very early EAKVuhyNBnQ-00602-00147570-00147749 stage company that's going to need a lot EAKVuhyNBnQ-00603-00147750-00147995 of capital over its life cycle it has to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00604-00147996-00148295 be a massive exit for it to generate a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00605-00148296-00148597 good return for you sometimes these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00606-00148598-00148985 Compass these smaller exits a relatively EAKVuhyNBnQ-00607-00148986-00149243 small exits like an 80 million exit can EAKVuhyNBnQ-00608-00149244-00149435 be a better return if the company does EAKVuhyNBnQ-00609-00149436-00149609 not need too much Capital like with EAKVuhyNBnQ-00610-00149610-00149878 Isaiah's um the company was only four EAKVuhyNBnQ-00611-00149879-00150214 people uh four Founders and they had a a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00612-00150215-00150514 team of I think a team of contractors uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00613-00150515-00150640 in Mexico EAKVuhyNBnQ-00614-00150641-00151031 um and uh it was um so they didn't it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00615-00151032-00151235 was actually a very very Capital EAKVuhyNBnQ-00616-00151236-00151463 efficient business uh which is why they EAKVuhyNBnQ-00617-00151464-00151601 didn't need to raise EAKVuhyNBnQ-00618-00151602-00151763 um raise much outside Capital after EAKVuhyNBnQ-00619-00151764-00151978 their initial seed round that led to a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00620-00151979-00152297 very good return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00621-00152298-00152440 some other EAKVuhyNBnQ-00622-00152441-00152704 um you know learnings from uh from EAKVuhyNBnQ-00623-00152705-00152831 Isaiah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00624-00152832-00152945 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00625-00152946-00153178 that uh some of these you know obscure EAKVuhyNBnQ-00626-00153179-00153376 niches can be great Investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00627-00153377-00153599 especially if you have a if that's a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00628-00153600-00153797 niche you understand and if you have a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00629-00153798-00153923 competitive advantage over other EAKVuhyNBnQ-00630-00153924-00154151 investors in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00631-00154152-00154475 evaluating uh such uh such Investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00632-00154476-00154739 so uh in a science case it was a very it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00633-00154740-00154961 was not something that most Venture EAKVuhyNBnQ-00634-00154962-00155159 capitalists were interested in it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00635-00155160-00155323 just not seen as uh interesting enough EAKVuhyNBnQ-00636-00155324-00155626 uh big enough return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00637-00155627-00156064 um and um I mean I I was I was the in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00638-00156065-00156251 terms of category the category was sort EAKVuhyNBnQ-00639-00156252-00156593 of interesting uh but for me the uh the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00640-00156594-00156821 main reason I invested was the uh was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00641-00156822-00157061 the massive sort of uh Drive of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00642-00157062-00157199 founders I knew the founder very well EAKVuhyNBnQ-00643-00157200-00157439 from University so I knew he was hugely EAKVuhyNBnQ-00644-00157440-00157793 driven to create a uh to create a uh uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00645-00157794-00158069 you know a big outcome and uh which is a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00646-00158070-00158339 which is the main reason I invested so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00647-00158340-00158404 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00648-00158405-00158657 yeah that was that was the that was a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00649-00158658-00158825 major factor driving a good return in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00650-00158826-00159059 Messiah and another interesting sort of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00651-00159060-00159323 learning from this investment was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00652-00159324-00159526 um the found since the the company was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00653-00159527-00159814 doing very well in terms of revenues the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00654-00159815-00160199 founders uh were able to take were able EAKVuhyNBnQ-00655-00160200-00160289 to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00656-00160290-00160552 um take something off the table EAKVuhyNBnQ-00657-00160553-00160793 um in uh some of their shares of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00658-00160794-00160961 table which put them in a very strong EAKVuhyNBnQ-00659-00160962-00161285 position financially uh and personally EAKVuhyNBnQ-00660-00161286-00161549 so when LinkedIn first came with their EAKVuhyNBnQ-00661-00161550-00161807 initial offer the initial offer was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00662-00161808-00162095 about half of what they actually landed EAKVuhyNBnQ-00663-00162096-00162287 up selling for the founders were able to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00664-00162288-00162587 walk away and really real and negotiate EAKVuhyNBnQ-00665-00162588-00162863 a very very good offer uh and it's and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00666-00162864-00163049 one reason they've had the courage to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00667-00163050-00163199 walk away was because they were in a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00668-00163200-00163349 strong financial situation EAKVuhyNBnQ-00669-00163350-00163661 so it's in it's actually I mean when you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00670-00163662-00163859 when the topic of secondaries come up EAKVuhyNBnQ-00671-00163860-00164014 many EAKVuhyNBnQ-00672-00164015-00164249 um investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-00673-00164250-00164411 um they have this sort of knee-jerk EAKVuhyNBnQ-00674-00164412-00164663 reaction oh secondaries are not going to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00675-00164664-00164807 be good because now the founders are not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00676-00164808-00164957 going to be hungry boundaries are EAKVuhyNBnQ-00677-00164958-00165251 supposed to be hungry to go for this for EAKVuhyNBnQ-00678-00165252-00165407 this large outcome yes there's some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00679-00165408-00165575 truth to that but if they're going to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00680-00165576-00165773 worrying about paying their mortgage EAKVuhyNBnQ-00681-00165774-00166037 and if they're struggling uh personally EAKVuhyNBnQ-00682-00166038-00166175 then they're going to make the wrong EAKVuhyNBnQ-00683-00166176-00166337 decisions then they're going to take the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00684-00166338-00166619 first you know uh you know 10 million EAKVuhyNBnQ-00685-00166620-00166799 dollar offer or even a five million EAKVuhyNBnQ-00686-00166800-00166943 dollar offer that's going to come their EAKVuhyNBnQ-00687-00166944-00167135 way if it's going to lead to uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00688-00167136-00167369 Financial stability so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00689-00167370-00167597 um I think as I think secondaries can be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00690-00167598-00167861 very very good both for EAKVuhyNBnQ-00691-00167862-00168161 um Founders because it lets them now not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00692-00168162-00168269 have to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00693-00168270-00168514 worry about paying their bills Etc and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00694-00168515-00168737 now they can focus more better on going EAKVuhyNBnQ-00695-00168738-00168916 for a big outcome and also for early EAKVuhyNBnQ-00696-00168917-00169235 investors it provides some liquidity for EAKVuhyNBnQ-00697-00169236-00169475 early investors so I think um I think EAKVuhyNBnQ-00698-00169476-00169702 secondaries are a very good thing that's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00699-00169703-00169901 and they have become they've weren't EAKVuhyNBnQ-00700-00169902-00170183 very common when I started investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00701-00170184-00170440 um I think a big reason for that was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00702-00170441-00170675 because Venture capitalists did not like EAKVuhyNBnQ-00703-00170676-00170951 Founders to be taking you know cashing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00704-00170952-00171251 out early uh um and but now they're EAKVuhyNBnQ-00705-00171252-00171497 becoming more common uh and uh which is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00706-00171498-00172025 a good thing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00707-00172026-00172157 another EAKVuhyNBnQ-00708-00172158-00172390 um another um investment highlight is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00709-00172391-00172547 that is a mobile marketing company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00710-00172548-00172751 called first screen EAKVuhyNBnQ-00711-00172752-00172954 um another sort of under the it's a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00712-00172955-00173351 company uh Dutch Founders based in Dubai EAKVuhyNBnQ-00713-00173352-00173602 um and they provide mobile marketing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00714-00173603-00173831 solutions for primarily for operators EAKVuhyNBnQ-00715-00173832-00174101 and that was that's the return is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00716-00174102-00174347 interesting because it is not just the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00717-00174348-00174557 um the size but it's actually been a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00718-00174558-00174839 return in dividends so the company still EAKVuhyNBnQ-00719-00174840-00175097 has the chance of being Acquired and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00720-00175098-00175301 they have been providing it's over the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00721-00175302-00175613 years they provide a 40x return uh in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00722-00175614-00175763 terms of dividends which would be very EAKVuhyNBnQ-00723-00175764-00175913 very atypical EAKVuhyNBnQ-00724-00175914-00176338 for a Silicon Valley startup so this was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00725-00176339-00176531 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00726-00176532-00176687 this was sort of more of an under the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00727-00176688-00176837 radar investment EAKVuhyNBnQ-00728-00176838-00177113 um not sort of chased by the typical you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00729-00177114-00177304 know Silicon Valley investor so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00730-00177305-00177454 sometimes as I said sometimes these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00731-00177455-00177701 Investments can make sometimes these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00732-00177702-00177904 sort of opportunities uh can be great EAKVuhyNBnQ-00733-00177905-00178031 Investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-00734-00178032-00178090 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00735-00178091-00178354 once again I knew the founders I knew EAKVuhyNBnQ-00736-00178355-00178552 the founders well hugely driven Founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-00737-00178553-00178823 uh so it is their drive that are sort of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00738-00178824-00179111 led to this led to the success EAKVuhyNBnQ-00739-00179112-00179213 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00740-00179214-00179440 one more I mean one more take away from EAKVuhyNBnQ-00741-00179441-00179704 from this is uh I think it's good to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00742-00179705-00179890 have some sort of a mix in your EAKVuhyNBnQ-00743-00179891-00180154 portfolio between these under the radar EAKVuhyNBnQ-00744-00180155-00180328 Investments especially if you I mean not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00745-00180329-00180587 all obscure all are going to be going to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00746-00180588-00180845 lead to good returns and these sort of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00747-00180846-00181187 more more competitive very hot deals so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00748-00181188-00181366 Ripple Ripple on the other hand was a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00749-00181367-00181583 highly competitive oversubscribed deal EAKVuhyNBnQ-00750-00181584-00181978 that I that I uh that I got into EAKVuhyNBnQ-00751-00181979-00182201 um and uh so I think it's good to have EAKVuhyNBnQ-00752-00182202-00182476 sort of a mix see in and and over time EAKVuhyNBnQ-00753-00182477-00182651 you'll have a you'll develop a better EAKVuhyNBnQ-00754-00182652-00182951 intuition of you know where you where EAKVuhyNBnQ-00755-00182952-00183149 you are what's doing better for you and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00756-00183150-00183275 where you want to spend more time and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00757-00183276-00183593 prioritize so I would say have a mix in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00758-00183594-00183838 your portfolio of of both these types of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00759-00183839-00184288 deals EAKVuhyNBnQ-00760-00184289-00184493 some of the some of the investment EAKVuhyNBnQ-00761-00184494-00184595 misses EAKVuhyNBnQ-00762-00184596-00184781 um one of them was uh one of them was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00763-00184782-00184907 Uber EAKVuhyNBnQ-00764-00184908-00185123 um would have been a five five thousand EAKVuhyNBnQ-00765-00185124-00185351 X investment return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00766-00185352-00185554 um if uh if I of course if I'd help my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00767-00185555-00185837 state still live in public and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00768-00185838-00186202 um it was um this was back in I had the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00769-00186203-00186581 chance to invest back in 2000 2010 when EAKVuhyNBnQ-00770-00186582-00186743 they were raising uh when they're EAKVuhyNBnQ-00771-00186744-00186952 raising a seed round EAKVuhyNBnQ-00772-00186953-00187121 um they had a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00773-00187122-00187378 uh this was the initial email that I got EAKVuhyNBnQ-00774-00187379-00187673 from uh from angelist and then I had EAKVuhyNBnQ-00775-00187674-00187931 shared I mean exchanged multiple emails EAKVuhyNBnQ-00776-00187932-00188290 with the uh with the um with the CEO at EAKVuhyNBnQ-00777-00188291-00188543 that time Ryan Travis was not the was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00778-00188544-00188831 not the CEO at that time and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00779-00188832-00189064 um it's when I when I when I read this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00780-00189065-00189233 email it's still sort of mind-boggling EAKVuhyNBnQ-00781-00189234-00189431 how small they were when they first EAKVuhyNBnQ-00782-00189432-00189545 started EAKVuhyNBnQ-00783-00189546-00189826 um 10 drivers doing 10 fast rides on EAKVuhyNBnQ-00784-00189827-00190181 week and evenings at uh so um I think EAKVuhyNBnQ-00785-00190182-00190483 the main the biggest sort of lesson EAKVuhyNBnQ-00786-00190484-00190864 the you know now I mean I I I now you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00787-00190865-00191009 know I cry I mean I'm gonna say I cry EAKVuhyNBnQ-00788-00191010-00191188 almost every time I take it to work when EAKVuhyNBnQ-00789-00191189-00191351 I think about this but that doesn't you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00790-00191352-00191452 know that doesn't really matter now EAKVuhyNBnQ-00791-00191453-00191675 right what matters now is finding the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00792-00191676-00191987 next big investment and it's a very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-00793-00191988-00192395 uh a useful reminder that most big EAKVuhyNBnQ-00794-00192396-00192526 things on the internet start really EAKVuhyNBnQ-00795-00192527-00193366 small really small EAKVuhyNBnQ-00796-00193367-00193601 the other the other Miss was it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00797-00193602-00193895 twilio uh that would have been a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00798-00193896-00194195 thousand x uh return at our investment EAKVuhyNBnQ-00799-00194196-00194393 uh had I invested EAKVuhyNBnQ-00800-00194394-00194602 um I was um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00801-00194603-00194938 okay I don't have I was actually uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00802-00194939-00195238 um introduced to the uh to the founder EAKVuhyNBnQ-00803-00195239-00195478 of twilio by a good friend of mine in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00804-00195479-00195683 Seattle who had introduced me to another EAKVuhyNBnQ-00805-00195684-00195875 startup from Seattle a few months before EAKVuhyNBnQ-00806-00195876-00196061 in which I invested EAKVuhyNBnQ-00807-00196062-00196264 and that startup was uh I was actually EAKVuhyNBnQ-00808-00196265-00196471 quite disappointed in the communication EAKVuhyNBnQ-00809-00196472-00196793 uh by the founders in that startup so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00810-00196794-00196954 when I saw this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00811-00196955-00197278 um saw this email from from my friend uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00812-00197279-00197561 it said another Seattle startup uh that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00813-00197562-00197716 I want to introduce you to said no I EAKVuhyNBnQ-00814-00197717-00198071 just told myself no uh no more no more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00815-00198072-00198275 Seattle I'm done with Seattle startup EAKVuhyNBnQ-00816-00198276-00198545 the normal Seattle startups for me and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00817-00198546-00198785 um so really a good example of really EAKVuhyNBnQ-00818-00198786-00199037 lazy pattern matching where I just sort EAKVuhyNBnQ-00819-00199038-00199228 of I didn't even Explore it further just EAKVuhyNBnQ-00820-00199229-00199366 because of the fact that they were based EAKVuhyNBnQ-00821-00199367-00199769 in Seattle EAKVuhyNBnQ-00822-00199770-00199913 uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00823-00199914-00200219 I'll be doing on time so far sure yeah EAKVuhyNBnQ-00824-00200220-00200387 no that's great and I'm just laughing my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00825-00200388-00200543 head off here at so many of these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00826-00200544-00200716 funnies because even when you're talking EAKVuhyNBnQ-00827-00200717-00200890 back at your 100 times because like EAKVuhyNBnQ-00828-00200891-00201149 we've only had like a couple uh in that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00829-00201150-00201328 area where the original Founders so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00830-00201329-00201581 that's like of trade me and zero you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00831-00201582-00201719 know I would have got a hundred times so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00832-00201720-00201928 it's just pranking me out here you're EAKVuhyNBnQ-00833-00201929-00202231 you're because you've got so many more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00834-00202232-00202433 we have many many more misses EAKVuhyNBnQ-00835-00202434-00202733 unfortunately so uh yeah your choices EAKVuhyNBnQ-00836-00202734-00202900 are so much more your numbers are just EAKVuhyNBnQ-00837-00202901-00203104 so much higher yeah that's interesting EAKVuhyNBnQ-00838-00203105-00203483 keep going this is great EAKVuhyNBnQ-00839-00203484-00203716 um yeah there's another another example EAKVuhyNBnQ-00840-00203717-00203861 I mean these are sharing these examples EAKVuhyNBnQ-00841-00203862-00204028 not because of the interesting numbers EAKVuhyNBnQ-00842-00204029-00204269 are not that the returns are not that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00843-00204270-00204473 out in absolute numbers not that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00844-00204474-00204593 interesting but there were some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00845-00204594-00204814 interesting learnings uh from unrelated EAKVuhyNBnQ-00846-00204815-00205103 it's actually run by a very good uh it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00847-00205104-00205319 was run by a very another by a friend of EAKVuhyNBnQ-00848-00205319-00205457 mine EAKVuhyNBnQ-00849-00205458-00205727 um and they were sold uh two years after EAKVuhyNBnQ-00850-00205728-00205882 they started for 12 million so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00851-00205883-00206194 relatively a very a month a relatively EAKVuhyNBnQ-00852-00206196-00206369 quick exit EAKVuhyNBnQ-00853-00206369-00206434 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00854-00206435-00206627 and they had the they were doing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00855-00206628-00206801 phenomenally they had really good EAKVuhyNBnQ-00856-00206802-00206921 retraction EAKVuhyNBnQ-00857-00206921-00207119 um in in what they were doing and they EAKVuhyNBnQ-00858-00207119-00207257 were actually a Content recommendation EAKVuhyNBnQ-00859-00207258-00207419 one of the early EAKVuhyNBnQ-00860-00207419-00207640 content recommendation companies so when EAKVuhyNBnQ-00861-00207641-00207862 you're on a Publisher's site they'll EAKVuhyNBnQ-00862-00207863-00208055 they will make other recommendations you EAKVuhyNBnQ-00863-00208056-00208469 may want to see this this other uh uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00864-00208469-00208703 article and this these are highly EAKVuhyNBnQ-00865-00208704-00208871 relevant articles otherwise they won't EAKVuhyNBnQ-00866-00208871-00209027 do they don't work and they were all EAKVuhyNBnQ-00867-00209028-00209266 sort of a sponsored content uh company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00868-00209267-00209440 and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00869-00209441-00209507 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00870-00209508-00209717 they were EAKVuhyNBnQ-00871-00209717-00209777 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00872-00209778-00209932 I know they were doing their attraction EAKVuhyNBnQ-00873-00209933-00210232 was phenomenal but the the one of the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00874-00210233-00210508 reasons the uh the founder decided to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00875-00210509-00210881 sell was because uh uh this was he he EAKVuhyNBnQ-00876-00210882-00211079 owned a significant chunk of the company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00877-00211080-00211373 more than 50 and I've uh I've had this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00878-00211373-00211546 discussion of founder he's happy hoping EAKVuhyNBnQ-00879-00211548-00211727 to share this information EAKVuhyNBnQ-00880-00211728-00212044 um he owned about 50 of the company so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00881-00212046-00212279 for him it was actually for someone who EAKVuhyNBnQ-00882-00212280-00212603 was still very young it was actually a a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00883-00212604-00212825 phenomenal a financial return and it was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00884-00212826-00213005 a great return for investors too a six EAKVuhyNBnQ-00885-00213006-00213287 six x return in two years EAKVuhyNBnQ-00886-00213288-00213460 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00887-00213461-00213713 so I think the the for me the takeaway EAKVuhyNBnQ-00888-00213714-00213989 from there was you know fortunately for EAKVuhyNBnQ-00889-00213990-00214175 me the entry evaluation was very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-00890-00214176-00214348 low I came into two million valuation EAKVuhyNBnQ-00891-00214350-00214582 but if let's say my if my entry EAKVuhyNBnQ-00892-00214583-00214894 valuation had been more like the typical EAKVuhyNBnQ-00893-00214896-00215129 um you know Silicon Valley seed EAKVuhyNBnQ-00894-00215130-00215321 valuation today eight to ten million EAKVuhyNBnQ-00895-00215321-00215465 would have been a very it would have EAKVuhyNBnQ-00896-00215466-00215603 been a mediocre return for the risk EAKVuhyNBnQ-00897-00215604-00215782 you're taking EAKVuhyNBnQ-00898-00215783-00216005 um so the major sort of takeaway for me EAKVuhyNBnQ-00899-00216006-00216125 from this EAKVuhyNBnQ-00900-00216126-00216394 um was that you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-00901-00216396-00216623 almost all the time the fine the file if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00902-00216623-00216821 the founder has a personal financial EAKVuhyNBnQ-00903-00216821-00217060 goal that's going to determine the size EAKVuhyNBnQ-00904-00217061-00217319 of the outcome so let's say the if the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00905-00217319-00217537 founder has a personal financial Target EAKVuhyNBnQ-00906-00217538-00217937 of of 5 million and he owns 50 a company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00907-00217938-00218177 or he or she owns 50 of the company it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00908-00218178-00218434 going to be it's highly unlikely that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00909-00218435-00218621 the exit the exit is going to be more EAKVuhyNBnQ-00910-00218621-00218789 than 10 million so it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00911-00218790-00218987 um so it's something that as an angel EAKVuhyNBnQ-00912-00218988-00219184 it's and it's and this can of course it EAKVuhyNBnQ-00913-00219185-00219377 can it can change I mean sometimes these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00914-00219378-00219581 you know the goal posts can shift once EAKVuhyNBnQ-00915-00219582-00219694 the company is doing really well EAKVuhyNBnQ-00916-00219696-00219892 Founders can revisit their initial EAKVuhyNBnQ-00917-00219894-00220151 financial goals but in my experience EAKVuhyNBnQ-00918-00220152-00220421 that's quite rare uh if the founder has EAKVuhyNBnQ-00919-00220421-00220703 has a personal financial goal um in as EAKVuhyNBnQ-00920-00220704-00221021 as a as a Target that's going to limit EAKVuhyNBnQ-00921-00221021-00221267 that can limit this that can also if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00922-00221267-00221434 it's a if it's a large Financial goal EAKVuhyNBnQ-00923-00221435-00221651 it's going to increase the chances of a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00924-00221652-00221842 larger outcome but if it's a small if EAKVuhyNBnQ-00925-00221844-00222046 it's a relatively small Financial goal EAKVuhyNBnQ-00926-00222048-00222256 uh in you know it's six million is not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00927-00222257-00222479 by more standards not but it's all these EAKVuhyNBnQ-00928-00222480-00222671 are all relative right so it's it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00929-00222671-00222832 going to limit the size it's going to EAKVuhyNBnQ-00930-00222833-00223013 limit the size of your so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00931-00223014-00223169 um so something to keep in mind EAKVuhyNBnQ-00932-00223169-00223439 especially especially in the entryway EAKVuhyNBnQ-00933-00223440-00223565 it's more of a factor of the entry EAKVuhyNBnQ-00934-00223566-00223751 valuation is high now I've seen some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00935-00223752-00223955 I've seen some deals where the entry EAKVuhyNBnQ-00936-00223956-00224177 valuations are you know 10 million 15 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00937-00224178-00224382 million dollars EAKVuhyNBnQ-00938-00224383-00224746 and uh there's a and you and you get EAKVuhyNBnQ-00939-00224748-00224981 this and the and you get and you get EAKVuhyNBnQ-00940-00224982-00225184 this impression that and these are EAKVuhyNBnQ-00941-00225185-00225377 really really high and the founders are EAKVuhyNBnQ-00942-00225378-00225575 gonna are not gonna walk away EAKVuhyNBnQ-00943-00225576-00225905 from you know 20 million offer or 30 EAKVuhyNBnQ-00944-00225906-00226060 million offer because it's going to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-00945-00226061-00226234 the personal financial Stakes for them EAKVuhyNBnQ-00946-00226235-00226427 are just too high EAKVuhyNBnQ-00947-00226428-00226529 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-00948-00226530-00226673 so it's not something that people in EAKVuhyNBnQ-00949-00226673-00226919 Silicon Valley actually even said talk EAKVuhyNBnQ-00950-00226919-00227051 about that much because you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-00951-00227052-00227308 Founders are supposed to be the founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-00952-00227309-00227596 read this article a while back and it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00953-00227598-00227777 where I can I can relate to that founder EAKVuhyNBnQ-00954-00227778-00227884 it's supposed to be like Jesus it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00955-00227885-00228101 supposed to be very very very very pure EAKVuhyNBnQ-00956-00228102-00228341 they're doing it for you know for good EAKVuhyNBnQ-00957-00228342-00228527 yes I mean that's a big factor but EAKVuhyNBnQ-00958-00228528-00228725 they're they're all the founders are EAKVuhyNBnQ-00959-00228726-00228875 also EAKVuhyNBnQ-00960-00228876-00229121 you know driven by Financial as EAKVuhyNBnQ-00961-00229121-00229325 entrepreneurs they're also driven by the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00962-00229326-00229534 financial return and if they have a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00963-00229535-00229841 lower sort of financial Target EAKVuhyNBnQ-00964-00229842-00230537 um it's going to limit your your return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00965-00230538-00230765 and I and I and I have and I have some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00966-00230766-00231005 you know as an entrepreneur I have some EAKVuhyNBnQ-00967-00231006-00231167 good experience here as well for my EAKVuhyNBnQ-00968-00231167-00231556 first for my first startup one of the uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-00969-00231557-00231784 one of the reasons EAKVuhyNBnQ-00970-00231785-00231934 um you know we decided to sell was EAKVuhyNBnQ-00971-00231935-00232144 because it more than met the financial EAKVuhyNBnQ-00972-00232146-00232415 goals of our of the founders and it also EAKVuhyNBnQ-00973-00232416-00232606 provided it also provided a good return EAKVuhyNBnQ-00974-00232607-00232792 for the for the investors so once that EAKVuhyNBnQ-00975-00232794-00232991 sort of bar was met for us EAKVuhyNBnQ-00976-00232992-00233225 we were uh it became a very easy EAKVuhyNBnQ-00977-00233226-00233482 decision I mean the question EAKVuhyNBnQ-00978-00233483-00233717 so this was we saw we sold this company EAKVuhyNBnQ-00979-00233717-00234023 for this was a this was a 30 this is a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00980-00234023-00234269 30 million plus exit the question as EAKVuhyNBnQ-00981-00234269-00234496 Founders that we asked ourselves is and EAKVuhyNBnQ-00982-00234498-00234791 that was basically the proceeds from the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00983-00234792-00234982 exit was basically all the money we had EAKVuhyNBnQ-00984-00234983-00235229 we had we had zero savings so the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00985-00235230-00235396 question we asked ourselves as Founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-00986-00235398-00235787 is was if all we had was this much would EAKVuhyNBnQ-00987-00235788-00236032 we invest it all in our startup and the EAKVuhyNBnQ-00988-00236033-00236219 answer to that was no so it became a EAKVuhyNBnQ-00989-00236219-00236429 very easy so uh it became a very easy EAKVuhyNBnQ-00990-00236430-00236663 decision for us to sell so that's EAKVuhyNBnQ-00991-00236664-00236873 something I've asked I've asked myself EAKVuhyNBnQ-00992-00236873-00237142 and as an investor I mean the last thing EAKVuhyNBnQ-00993-00237144-00237341 you want to be doing is EAKVuhyNBnQ-00994-00237342-00237694 trying to come in the way of a young EAKVuhyNBnQ-00995-00237696-00237875 found trying to achieve you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-00996-00237876-00238181 Financial Financial stability so EAKVuhyNBnQ-00997-00238182-00238355 um so that's something you just do not EAKVuhyNBnQ-00998-00238356-00238492 want to do EAKVuhyNBnQ-00999-00238494-00238727 um so when you invest you want to make EAKVuhyNBnQ-01000-00238728-00238984 sure that in the best case it's going to EAKVuhyNBnQ-01001-00238985-00239482 be a good return yeah EAKVuhyNBnQ-01002-00239483-00239765 another sort of example where um this EAKVuhyNBnQ-01003-00239766-00240017 was a company that was actually hired by EAKVuhyNBnQ-01004-00240017-00240292 Amazon uh and um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01005-00240294-00240544 I had the I had the feeling that the the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01006-00240546-00240958 the the had this sort of uh and this is EAKVuhyNBnQ-01007-00240959-00241096 one this is an investment that actually EAKVuhyNBnQ-01008-00241098-00241294 LED I had the feeling that the founder EAKVuhyNBnQ-01009-00241296-00241469 would go for EAKVuhyNBnQ-01010-00241469-00241691 um would not really go make an honest EAKVuhyNBnQ-01011-00241692-00241942 attempt at a huge outcome EAKVuhyNBnQ-01012-00241944-00242153 um so we had we had liquidation EAKVuhyNBnQ-01013-00242154-00242434 preferences in the uh in in our EAKVuhyNBnQ-01014-00242435-00242632 investment where there would be at least EAKVuhyNBnQ-01015-00242633-00243029 a 3X return for the early investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-01016-00243030-00243256 um so they so the company sold for less EAKVuhyNBnQ-01017-00243257-00243413 than 3x EAKVuhyNBnQ-01018-00243414-00243623 investors would get investors would EAKVuhyNBnQ-01019-00243623-00243910 still get a 3X and then EAKVuhyNBnQ-01020-00243911-00244169 um then the proceeds would be divided EAKVuhyNBnQ-01021-00244169-00244355 um and that was actually something I'll EAKVuhyNBnQ-01022-00244356-00244642 never do again in general I want to stay EAKVuhyNBnQ-01023-00244644-00244919 away from uh spending too much time EAKVuhyNBnQ-01024-00244919-00245129 negotiating valuations now that's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01025-00245130-00245321 something I've learned uh with with EAKVuhyNBnQ-01026-00245321-00245482 Founders because EAKVuhyNBnQ-01027-00245483-00245621 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01028-00245621-00245825 you know it's an it's an unpleasant it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01029-00245826-00246071 an unpleasant discussion and quite often EAKVuhyNBnQ-01030-00246071-00246251 these things that the company is going EAKVuhyNBnQ-01031-00246252-00246460 to be is if the company is going to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-01032-00246461-00246682 uh it's these are quite binary so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01033-00246683-00246898 whether you come in for 25 per EAKVuhyNBnQ-01034-00246900-00247210 evaluation that's 25 higher is not EAKVuhyNBnQ-01035-00247211-00247379 really going to matter if the company is EAKVuhyNBnQ-01036-00247380-00247505 going to get if the company is going to EAKVuhyNBnQ-01037-00247506-00247769 get acquired for a massive multiple so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01038-00247769-00248015 it's something I and and plus you know I EAKVuhyNBnQ-01039-00248016-00248248 don't lead I don't lead Investments now EAKVuhyNBnQ-01040-00248250-00248429 so it's something for the lead investor EAKVuhyNBnQ-01041-00248430-00248632 to do so it's not something but I would EAKVuhyNBnQ-01042-00248633-00248782 sort of uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01043-00248783-00249023 you know try and um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01044-00249023-00249329 try and suggest not getting not getting EAKVuhyNBnQ-01045-00249330-00249634 too much into these into these uh into EAKVuhyNBnQ-01046-00249635-00249832 these discussions uh with Founders and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01047-00249833-00250181 not it's sort of uh not the uh not EAKVuhyNBnQ-01048-00250182-00250379 something that's that's my I'm sure many EAKVuhyNBnQ-01049-00250380-00250487 investors would have a very different EAKVuhyNBnQ-01050-00250488-00250703 perspective here uh but it's not EAKVuhyNBnQ-01051-00250704-00251039 something that uh that I uh that uh that EAKVuhyNBnQ-01052-00251040-00251219 you know that I tend to do now in terms EAKVuhyNBnQ-01053-00251219-00251429 of negotiating the terms of value and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01054-00251430-00251608 introducing all these things like like EAKVuhyNBnQ-01055-00251609-00251837 liquidation preference Etc EAKVuhyNBnQ-01056-00251838-00252155 um because uh you know the yes yeah I EAKVuhyNBnQ-01057-00252156-00252306 was just thinking um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01058-00252307-00252671 uh we've just got about 10 minutes left EAKVuhyNBnQ-01059-00252671-00252875 and Lily's got a question here EAKVuhyNBnQ-01060-00252876-00253031 sure so I'm just wondering if I can EAKVuhyNBnQ-01061-00253032-00253355 divert slightly yeah so because you've EAKVuhyNBnQ-01062-00253356-00253613 been Angel Investing for a long time and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01063-00253614-00253769 we've all grown up with traditional EAKVuhyNBnQ-01064-00253769-00254075 metrics well how are you thinking and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01065-00254076-00254482 acting with impact investing now EAKVuhyNBnQ-01066-00254483-00254615 yes EAKVuhyNBnQ-01067-00254616-00254794 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01068-00254796-00254975 um definitely uh definitely interested EAKVuhyNBnQ-01069-00254976-00255287 in uh in in Impact investing because I EAKVuhyNBnQ-01070-00255288-00255413 think uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01071-00255414-00255598 um they are going to be the far more EAKVuhyNBnQ-01072-00255600-00255832 I've done some investing in non-profits EAKVuhyNBnQ-01073-00255833-00256079 and uh I think if the and the biggest EAKVuhyNBnQ-01074-00256080-00256241 challenge with non-profits is they don't EAKVuhyNBnQ-01075-00256242-00256367 scale EAKVuhyNBnQ-01076-00256367-00256667 um so if it can be uh an investment if EAKVuhyNBnQ-01077-00256667-00256882 it can be if it can do a lot of if we EAKVuhyNBnQ-01078-00256883-00257081 can do social good and if it's also EAKVuhyNBnQ-01079-00257082-00257417 scalable uh it's super interesting to me EAKVuhyNBnQ-01080-00257417-00257741 um so uh it is uh it's just one which is EAKVuhyNBnQ-01081-00257742-00257921 one more reason I'm quite excited about EAKVuhyNBnQ-01082-00257921-00258077 spending time in New Zealand I think EAKVuhyNBnQ-01083-00258078-00258203 there's a lot of opportunity in the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01084-00258204-00258484 space in in New Zealand that's okay EAKVuhyNBnQ-01085-00258485-00258682 there's a scaling part of it if you can EAKVuhyNBnQ-01086-00258683-00258892 scale then you can actually then make EAKVuhyNBnQ-01087-00258894-00259103 something happen with it yeah yes yes EAKVuhyNBnQ-01088-00259104-00259360 yes yeah cool EAKVuhyNBnQ-01089-00259361-00259673 may I asked a question yeah go for it EAKVuhyNBnQ-01090-00259673-00259930 Lily EAKVuhyNBnQ-01091-00259931-00260173 um people can you hear me EAKVuhyNBnQ-01092-00260173-00260639 yes we can Lily great okay Kyoto Ramesh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01093-00260640-00260789 thank you very much for sharing your EAKVuhyNBnQ-01094-00260790-00261065 story very very interesting uh my name EAKVuhyNBnQ-01095-00261066-00261329 is Lily Tolga Bay I'm one of our fellows EAKVuhyNBnQ-01096-00261330-00261773 I represent our our Maori tangata Styles EAKVuhyNBnQ-01097-00261773-00262001 and uh one thing I just wanted to ask EAKVuhyNBnQ-01098-00262002-00262277 with you Ramesh is because in terms of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01099-00262278-00262463 many of our VCS that are within the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01100-00262464-00262684 fellowship EAKVuhyNBnQ-01101-00262685-00262871 um but the focus is always financial and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01102-00262872-00263032 I understand that because that's what VC EAKVuhyNBnQ-01103-00263033-00263243 is about financial investment for EAKVuhyNBnQ-01104-00263244-00263560 clinics in returns uh however within EAKVuhyNBnQ-01105-00263561-00263891 aotearoa and as part of the fellowship a EAKVuhyNBnQ-01106-00263892-00264197 whole Cooper is about Virgin EAKVuhyNBnQ-01107-00264198-00264287 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01108-00264288-00264595 Solutions Global Solutions EAKVuhyNBnQ-01109-00264596-00264845 utilizing altered or New Zealand as an EAKVuhyNBnQ-01110-00264846-00265103 incubation Nation EAKVuhyNBnQ-01111-00265104-00265379 so which means we have to sort of think EAKVuhyNBnQ-01112-00265380-00265619 slightly differently to how things are EAKVuhyNBnQ-01113-00265620-00265979 normally done when it comes to moldum EAKVuhyNBnQ-01114-00265980-00266213 and Maori organizations and Maori EAKVuhyNBnQ-01115-00266214-00266351 businesses EAKVuhyNBnQ-01116-00266352-00266632 the biggest factor is actually building EAKVuhyNBnQ-01117-00266633-00266932 the relationships first before we even EAKVuhyNBnQ-01118-00266933-00267232 talk the money side and and there are EAKVuhyNBnQ-01119-00267233-00267473 many Maori organizations that have the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01120-00267474-00267743 ability to scale not as non-profits but EAKVuhyNBnQ-01121-00267744-00267887 it's really about that relationship EAKVuhyNBnQ-01122-00267888-00268103 building net trust EAKVuhyNBnQ-01123-00268104-00268205 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01124-00268206-00268601 but also it's about it's a long term and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01125-00268602-00268877 so for for VCS it's sort of not not on EAKVuhyNBnQ-01126-00268878-00269141 your cards is it what are your thoughts EAKVuhyNBnQ-01127-00269142-00269279 about trying to link with Maori EAKVuhyNBnQ-01128-00269280-00269429 organizations EAKVuhyNBnQ-01129-00269430-00269603 yeah and I'd love to I'd love to learn EAKVuhyNBnQ-01130-00269604-00269723 you know maybe we can have a chat EAKVuhyNBnQ-01131-00269724-00269975 offline uh and you can share some of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01132-00269976-00270197 your uh your insights here EAKVuhyNBnQ-01133-00270198-00270467 um I'd love to uh um yeah I'd love to EAKVuhyNBnQ-01134-00270468-00270641 learn more about how you know what sort EAKVuhyNBnQ-01135-00270642-00270791 of how they approach how they approach EAKVuhyNBnQ-01136-00270792-00270875 it EAKVuhyNBnQ-01137-00270876-00271084 um something else that I'm that I uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01138-00271085-00271301 what was going to cover uh is that you EAKVuhyNBnQ-01139-00271302-00271571 know even even for a typical VC that's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01140-00271572-00271727 looking that's doing it you know purely EAKVuhyNBnQ-01141-00271728-00272015 the tip for for a financial return you EAKVuhyNBnQ-01142-00272016-00272249 need to be very very patient uh like the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01143-00272250-00272453 other example I gave this eye example it EAKVuhyNBnQ-01144-00272454-00272734 took it took 12 years for a return so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01145-00272735-00272908 many of these many of these so you need EAKVuhyNBnQ-01146-00272909-00273203 many of these startups takes before you EAKVuhyNBnQ-01147-00273204-00273460 can get a cash return take seven to ten EAKVuhyNBnQ-01148-00273461-00273677 years which is a fairly long long EAKVuhyNBnQ-01149-00273678-00273917 Horizon EAKVuhyNBnQ-01150-00273918-00274103 um and I I wonder maybe let me throw EAKVuhyNBnQ-01151-00274104-00274384 this back to you I mean I'm in in like EAKVuhyNBnQ-01152-00274385-00274679 in India in Indian culture EAKVuhyNBnQ-01153-00274680-00274919 um you know traditionally it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01154-00274920-00275141 considered quite you know you you don't EAKVuhyNBnQ-01155-00275142-00275303 want it's not something you talk about EAKVuhyNBnQ-01156-00275304-00275519 the finance of the financial return it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01157-00275520-00275729 it's meant to be a little more sort of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01158-00275730-00275939 subtle in the background it's it's so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01159-00275940-00276130 obvious that you're doing it for a EAKVuhyNBnQ-01160-00276131-00276341 financial return it's not even talked EAKVuhyNBnQ-01161-00276342-00276545 about as you know is that is that EAKVuhyNBnQ-01162-00276546-00276889 similar or is that not even a factor EAKVuhyNBnQ-01163-00276890-00277180 no that's that's very similar very EAKVuhyNBnQ-01164-00277181-00277499 similar and because once again it's not EAKVuhyNBnQ-01165-00277500-00277745 just about but the financial it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01166-00277746-00277997 everything that encompasses that that um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01167-00277998-00278141 progress EAKVuhyNBnQ-01168-00278142-00278410 but it also brings into the community at EAKVuhyNBnQ-01169-00278411-00278506 stake as well all the different EAKVuhyNBnQ-01170-00278507-00278723 stakeholders within the community so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01171-00278724-00278987 many of our investments involve EAKVuhyNBnQ-01172-00278988-00279058 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01173-00279059-00279269 supporting EAKVuhyNBnQ-01174-00279270-00279532 the well-being the housing structures EAKVuhyNBnQ-01175-00279533-00279713 the social structures the environmental EAKVuhyNBnQ-01176-00279714-00280097 structures so so when we do deals it EAKVuhyNBnQ-01177-00280098-00280249 encompasses EAKVuhyNBnQ-01178-00280250-00280469 the whole EAKVuhyNBnQ-01179-00280470-00280684 um or all of those aspects as well so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01180-00280685-00281105 it's it's not simple but my point is EAKVuhyNBnQ-01181-00281106-00281297 that at the moment and I've been with EAKVuhyNBnQ-01182-00281298-00281501 the fellowship six years now EAKVuhyNBnQ-01183-00281502-00281651 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01184-00281652-00282017 that the thought pattern of our VCS from EAKVuhyNBnQ-01185-00282018-00282280 my perspective needs to change a little EAKVuhyNBnQ-01186-00282281-00282575 to to working with how we operate and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01187-00282576-00282832 how we think because although there are EAKVuhyNBnQ-01188-00282833-00283151 slower there are slower gain EAKVuhyNBnQ-01189-00283152-00283529 um my belief is there a huge gain which EAKVuhyNBnQ-01190-00283530-00283906 can then be duplicated globally EAKVuhyNBnQ-01191-00283907-00284177 um so so yes it's certainly simply not EAKVuhyNBnQ-01192-00284178-00284393 talking about Financial in fact that is EAKVuhyNBnQ-01193-00284394-00284658 considered rude EAKVuhyNBnQ-01194-00284659-00284915 yeah I can relate to that from you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-01195-00284916-00285101 from my own sort of uh cultural you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-01196-00285102-00285215 background yeah EAKVuhyNBnQ-01197-00285216-00285389 yeah it's interesting you mentioned the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01198-00285390-00285569 word rude yeah it is almost considered EAKVuhyNBnQ-01199-00285570-00285863 rude in many disrespectful in some EAKVuhyNBnQ-01200-00285864-00286037 respects EAKVuhyNBnQ-01201-00286038-00286325 yeah you can uh go and visit uh talaga EAKVuhyNBnQ-01202-00286326-00286408 bay EAKVuhyNBnQ-01203-00286409-00286621 um and say Lily with your family so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01204-00286622-00286882 remission is flying into New Zealand on EAKVuhyNBnQ-01205-00286883-00287008 Good Friday EAKVuhyNBnQ-01206-00287009-00287410 so next Friday yeah well safe Journeys EAKVuhyNBnQ-01207-00287411-00287608 Ramesh we also have another family here EAKVuhyNBnQ-01208-00287609-00287741 living with us he just walked past EAKVuhyNBnQ-01209-00287742-00287956 tabiso he's helping us create Community EAKVuhyNBnQ-01210-00287957-00288160 Development in this region EAKVuhyNBnQ-01211-00288161-00288353 um in China for the east coast is one of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01212-00288354-00288545 the regions a government is currently EAKVuhyNBnQ-01213-00288546-00288815 focusing on due to cycling Gabriel and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01214-00288816-00288982 we need to change some of the ways we EAKVuhyNBnQ-01215-00288983-00289127 are operating and finding different EAKVuhyNBnQ-01216-00289128-00289427 Industries specifically in the tech area EAKVuhyNBnQ-01217-00289428-00289732 so um please hi to my if you're EAKVuhyNBnQ-01218-00289733-00289871 interested in coming to our homelands EAKVuhyNBnQ-01219-00289872-00290069 and meeting our people okay I'd love EAKVuhyNBnQ-01220-00290070-00290327 that yeah thank you so much thanks Lily EAKVuhyNBnQ-01221-00290328-00291119 any other questions EAKVuhyNBnQ-01222-00291120-00291365 okay I think I can skip this one uh I EAKVuhyNBnQ-01223-00291366-00291497 think I've covered this enough times and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01224-00291498-00291803 already uh Founders enough um have also EAKVuhyNBnQ-01225-00291804-00292037 covered secondaries which which uh which EAKVuhyNBnQ-01226-00292038-00292210 I support EAKVuhyNBnQ-01227-00292211-00292438 um it's good for Founders and investors EAKVuhyNBnQ-01228-00292439-00292480 [Music] EAKVuhyNBnQ-01229-00292481-00292619 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01230-00292620-00292853 should I uh in my in terms of my summary EAKVuhyNBnQ-01231-00292854-00292991 I would say EAKVuhyNBnQ-01232-00292992-00293321 um make make lots of small bets uh when EAKVuhyNBnQ-01233-00293322-00293501 I first started I was making when I was EAKVuhyNBnQ-01234-00293502-00293771 making larger bets uh and not as many EAKVuhyNBnQ-01235-00293772-00294089 I've realized that uh you need just need EAKVuhyNBnQ-01236-00294090-00294227 to make you we need to make a lot of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01237-00294228-00294377 small bets EAKVuhyNBnQ-01238-00294378-00294437 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01239-00294438-00294671 and from my from my experience I mean EAKVuhyNBnQ-01240-00294672-00294869 you need to make at least 30 bets to get EAKVuhyNBnQ-01241-00294870-00295091 that one you know 100x return and that's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01242-00295092-00295210 that and that's really going to be EAKVuhyNBnQ-01243-00295211-00295391 what's gonna for if you're doing it for EAKVuhyNBnQ-01244-00295392-00295643 a financial return that's really going EAKVuhyNBnQ-01245-00295644-00295787 to be the one that sort of moves the EAKVuhyNBnQ-01246-00295788-00296008 needle on your portfolio not uh getting EAKVuhyNBnQ-01247-00296009-00296213 that like there's usually one investment EAKVuhyNBnQ-01248-00296214-00296495 in the portfolio 100x return returns EAKVuhyNBnQ-01249-00296496-00296639 your fund EAKVuhyNBnQ-01250-00296640-00296789 um it's something it took me some time EAKVuhyNBnQ-01251-00296790-00297143 to grasp that why why are VCS so uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01252-00297144-00297323 obsessed by that one big you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-01253-00297324-00297532 billion dollar outcome because that's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01254-00297533-00297706 what they need to return their fund to EAKVuhyNBnQ-01255-00297707-00298079 even return their fund um and um you EAKVuhyNBnQ-01256-00298080-00298367 know as uh early stage early stage and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01257-00298368-00298505 with early stage investing it's very EAKVuhyNBnQ-01258-00298506-00298655 very difficult to Size Market Market EAKVuhyNBnQ-01259-00298656-00298889 sizing very very hard EAKVuhyNBnQ-01260-00298890-00298949 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01261-00298950-00299219 for you and I think I gave the uh the uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01262-00299220-00299560 Airbnb example it's very very difficult EAKVuhyNBnQ-01263-00299561-00299729 I mean they actually created a new EAKVuhyNBnQ-01264-00299730-00300010 market made a lot of people uh you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-01265-00300011-00300215 go traveling now as a result of Airbnb EAKVuhyNBnQ-01266-00300216-00300430 because it's far more cost effective for EAKVuhyNBnQ-01267-00300431-00300641 them to live in a you know uh you know EAKVuhyNBnQ-01268-00300642-00300941 in a in a different destination so Uber EAKVuhyNBnQ-01269-00300942-00301108 for example another example I mean how EAKVuhyNBnQ-01270-00301109-00301277 do you size when you when you first see EAKVuhyNBnQ-01271-00301278-00301505 the Uber investment deal how do you size EAKVuhyNBnQ-01272-00301506-00301703 the market I mean they started off as a EAKVuhyNBnQ-01273-00301704-00301906 black cap company is it a black cap EAKVuhyNBnQ-01274-00301907-00302147 company and or or is it is it is it now EAKVuhyNBnQ-01275-00302148-00302345 a taxi company or is it a technology EAKVuhyNBnQ-01276-00302346-00302567 company they're more of a Marketplace so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01277-00302568-00302723 how do you even EAKVuhyNBnQ-01278-00302724-00302945 come up with the so if you if you use EAKVuhyNBnQ-01279-00302946-00303184 sort of conventional Market sizing for EAKVuhyNBnQ-01280-00303185-00303406 some of these Investments or if you size EAKVuhyNBnQ-01281-00303407-00303551 the market based on what is already EAKVuhyNBnQ-01282-00303552-00303941 there uh it's you you could miss out on EAKVuhyNBnQ-01283-00303942-00304060 some opportunities because it's very EAKVuhyNBnQ-01284-00304061-00304253 hard to size a new market that they're EAKVuhyNBnQ-01285-00304254-00304480 going to be creating EAKVuhyNBnQ-01286-00304481-00305075 um so yeah so it's it's far far uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01287-00305076-00305441 uh more sort of practical in a very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-01288-00305442-00305693 early stage investing to invest to make EAKVuhyNBnQ-01289-00305694-00305921 bets based on interesting Founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-01290-00305922-00306047 Founders are going to be resilient EAKVuhyNBnQ-01291-00306048-00306179 bonders are going to be very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-01292-00306180-00306401 motivated EAKVuhyNBnQ-01293-00306402-00306527 um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01294-00306528-00306767 and in my this is in my experience I EAKVuhyNBnQ-01295-00306768-00306995 mean obscure obscure niches can be great EAKVuhyNBnQ-01296-00306996-00307258 things that are overlooked by by other EAKVuhyNBnQ-01297-00307259-00307439 investors two of my best investments EAKVuhyNBnQ-01298-00307440-00307684 have been in sort of these sort of uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01299-00307685-00307979 you know obscure and unsexy niches EAKVuhyNBnQ-01300-00307980-00308171 um they need to be very very patient for EAKVuhyNBnQ-01301-00308172-00308380 cash returns I mean some of these Isaiah EAKVuhyNBnQ-01302-00308381-00308597 was the example where they were started EAKVuhyNBnQ-01303-00308598-00309010 in 2000 and they exited in 2012. EAKVuhyNBnQ-01304-00309011-00309256 um many of the other Investments do uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01305-00309257-00309473 they're all even even the companies that EAKVuhyNBnQ-01306-00309474-00309682 are doing really well a few years later EAKVuhyNBnQ-01307-00309683-00309960 it's all on paper yeah I I haven't EAKVuhyNBnQ-01308-00309961-00310282 received a garden garden any sort of uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01309-00310283-00310487 cash return for that these are all many EAKVuhyNBnQ-01310-00310488-00310660 of these many of the Investments are EAKVuhyNBnQ-01311-00310661-00310949 paper marked up so can take seven seven EAKVuhyNBnQ-01312-00310950-00311267 to ten years sometimes even 13 13 15 EAKVuhyNBnQ-01313-00311268-00311477 years uh so you have to be very very EAKVuhyNBnQ-01314-00311478-00311932 patient EAKVuhyNBnQ-01315-00311933-00312197 yeah exactly that exactly it's hard work EAKVuhyNBnQ-01316-00312198-00312401 time consuming work um sometimes I mean EAKVuhyNBnQ-01317-00312402-00312587 I've given some examples where EAKVuhyNBnQ-01318-00312588-00312856 where uh you know I've got in my return EAKVuhyNBnQ-01319-00312857-00313084 after two years or three years but those EAKVuhyNBnQ-01320-00313085-00313349 are those are atypical if you make if EAKVuhyNBnQ-01321-00313350-00313595 you make you know if you those are those EAKVuhyNBnQ-01322-00313596-00313804 are probably as I said or maybe less EAKVuhyNBnQ-01323-00313805-00313925 than 30 percent EAKVuhyNBnQ-01324-00313926-00314273 of the of my investments that do that uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01325-00314274-00314627 with uh with 40 you get zero and thirty EAKVuhyNBnQ-01326-00314628-00314765 percent you're lucky to get your money EAKVuhyNBnQ-01327-00314766-00314987 back and it's it's a small fraction EAKVuhyNBnQ-01328-00314988-00315149 where you can get those steps and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01329-00315150-00315287 returns and many or even those returns EAKVuhyNBnQ-01330-00315288-00315433 can take a very long time EAKVuhyNBnQ-01331-00315434-00315556 [Music] EAKVuhyNBnQ-01332-00315557-00315875 nice the other I mean the other and it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01333-00315876-00316163 a sort of spoken a lot about the about EAKVuhyNBnQ-01334-00316164-00316367 the financial the financial return here EAKVuhyNBnQ-01335-00316368-00316679 I mean the other really uh sort of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01336-00316680-00316895 inspiring lessons from Angel Investing EAKVuhyNBnQ-01337-00316896-00317123 are you know in in it working when you EAKVuhyNBnQ-01338-00317124-00317297 work with these motivated Founders EAKVuhyNBnQ-01339-00317298-00317495 especially in categories you don't know EAKVuhyNBnQ-01340-00317496-00317699 much about where a Founder has spent a EAKVuhyNBnQ-01341-00317700-00317837 lot of time thinking about a category EAKVuhyNBnQ-01342-00317838-00318058 they teach you a lot even pretty much EAKVuhyNBnQ-01343-00318059-00318221 you know they try and teach you EAKVuhyNBnQ-01344-00318222-00318437 everything they know about a category in EAKVuhyNBnQ-01345-00318438-00318653 one hour in 50 minutes which is actually EAKVuhyNBnQ-01346-00318654-00318910 intellectually super exciting and almost EAKVuhyNBnQ-01347-00318911-00319067 exhilarating you know you hear you have EAKVuhyNBnQ-01348-00319068-00319199 someone who spent years and years EAKVuhyNBnQ-01349-00319200-00319384 thinking about a solution to a problem EAKVuhyNBnQ-01350-00319385-00319643 and he's trying to get you he or she he EAKVuhyNBnQ-01351-00319644-00319793 or she is trying to get you up to speed EAKVuhyNBnQ-01352-00319794-00320080 in 45 minutes one hour so it's intense EAKVuhyNBnQ-01353-00320081-00320327 but it can also be very very exciting so EAKVuhyNBnQ-01354-00320328-00320669 that's a that's a huge sort of uh uh EAKVuhyNBnQ-01355-00320670-00320884 lesson from you know uh sort of EAKVuhyNBnQ-01356-00320885-00321034 inspirational lesson from Angel EAKVuhyNBnQ-01357-00321035-00321565 Investing where you um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01358-00321566-00321851 learning experience EAKVuhyNBnQ-01359-00321852-00322060 yeah that's true you do you get to learn EAKVuhyNBnQ-01360-00322061-00322289 a lot about a sector and about EAKVuhyNBnQ-01361-00322290-00322523 watching another entrepreneur go through EAKVuhyNBnQ-01362-00322524-00322823 there their Journey exactly exactly it's EAKVuhyNBnQ-01363-00322824-00322906 funny it's interesting when you're EAKVuhyNBnQ-01364-00322907-00323069 talking about Uber and Airbnb because EAKVuhyNBnQ-01365-00323070-00323345 both of those were second to Market EAKVuhyNBnQ-01366-00323346-00323567 in that yes those Industries they EAKVuhyNBnQ-01367-00323568-00323843 weren't the first in those Airbnb also EAKVuhyNBnQ-01368-00323844-00324023 second to Market yeah I think they were EAKVuhyNBnQ-01369-00324024-00324184 in the type of thing they were from what EAKVuhyNBnQ-01370-00324185-00324401 I've heard yeah there was actually there EAKVuhyNBnQ-01371-00324402-00324551 was one yeah there was one company in EAKVuhyNBnQ-01372-00324552-00324743 Singapore doing it around the same time EAKVuhyNBnQ-01373-00324744-00324941 uh they didn't they didn't raise as much EAKVuhyNBnQ-01374-00324942-00325241 Capital uh Uber definitely was uh but EAKVuhyNBnQ-01375-00325242-00325480 with Airbnb yeah there was actually I EAKVuhyNBnQ-01376-00325481-00325637 think they were at the same time at EAKVuhyNBnQ-01377-00325638-00325829 least that I know of uh with another EAKVuhyNBnQ-01378-00325830-00326093 company EAKVuhyNBnQ-01379-00326094-00326345 any last questions did you want to do a EAKVuhyNBnQ-01380-00326346-00326608 question Lily otherwise we will wrap it EAKVuhyNBnQ-01381-00326609-00326825 up no that's good well thank you so much EAKVuhyNBnQ-01382-00326826-00327053 Ramesh it's been really interesting and EAKVuhyNBnQ-01383-00327054-00327239 insightful and it's really good to see EAKVuhyNBnQ-01384-00327240-00327575 how an angel investor um is investing in EAKVuhyNBnQ-01385-00327576-00327749 what they are what numbers they're EAKVuhyNBnQ-01386-00327750-00327917 dealing with actually from on the other EAKVuhyNBnQ-01387-00327918-00328073 side of the world compared to here in EAKVuhyNBnQ-01388-00328074-00328265 New Zealand I have actually found that EAKVuhyNBnQ-01389-00328266-00328456 part quite interesting so we look EAKVuhyNBnQ-01390-00328457-00328649 forward to having your family here um EAKVuhyNBnQ-01391-00328650-00328991 next next Friday and um and looking EAKVuhyNBnQ-01392-00328992-00329093 forward to having you here for your EAKVuhyNBnQ-01393-00329094-00329347 welcome week EAKVuhyNBnQ-01394-00329348-00329693 thank you very much safe travels okay EAKVuhyNBnQ-01395-00329694-00329873 thank you so much nice meeting you bye EAKVuhyNBnQ-01396-00329874-00330116 thank you EBY5sZtITy0-00000-00000663-00001015 here's the latest from Earth now this EBY5sZtITy0-00001-00001016-00001174 display shows the NOAA climate digest EBY5sZtITy0-00002-00001175-00001543 for august 2013 the climate digest EBY5sZtITy0-00003-00001544-00001785 summarizes noteworthy statistics for the EBY5sZtITy0-00004-00001786-00002104 month season and year the average global EBY5sZtITy0-00005-00002105-00002320 land and ocean temperature for August EBY5sZtITy0-00006-00002321-00002592 tied with 2005 as the fourth warmest EBY5sZtITy0-00007-00002593-00002904 august since records began in 1880 EBY5sZtITy0-00008-00002905-00003187 Alaska saw its 2nd warmest summer since EBY5sZtITy0-00009-00003188-00003478 records began in 1918 while Australia EBY5sZtITy0-00010-00003479-00003663 experienced the second highest average EBY5sZtITy0-00011-00003664-00003904 maximum temperature on record for both EBY5sZtITy0-00012-00003904-00004111 August and the winter season since EBY5sZtITy0-00013-00004112-00004339 records began in nineteen ten New EBY5sZtITy0-00014-00004340-00004531 Zealand also observed its warmest august EBY5sZtITy0-00015-00004532-00004741 and winter season since records began in EBY5sZtITy0-00016-00004742-00005029 1909 typhoon brought heavy EBY5sZtITy0-00017-00005030-00005233 rainfall to the Philippines Taiwan and EBY5sZtITy0-00018-00005234-00005680 China with maximum winds at 137 km/h the EBY5sZtITy0-00019-00005681-00005929 major flooding brought 27.5 inches of EBY5sZtITy0-00020-00005930-00006178 rain to northern Taiwan trami was the EBY5sZtITy0-00021-00006179-00006358 12th tropical cyclone to hit China EBY5sZtITy0-00022-00006359-00006810 during 2013 to date the 2013 Asian EBY5sZtITy0-00023-00006811-00007023 southwest monsoon season has brought EBY5sZtITy0-00024-00007024-00007387 India 110 percent of the 1951 to 2000 EBY5sZtITy0-00025-00007388-00007633 average rainfall this was certainly not EBY5sZtITy0-00026-00007634-00007819 the case for Germany which observed its EBY5sZtITy0-00027-00007820-00008124 driest summer since 2003 with just 79 EBY5sZtITy0-00028-00008125-00008463 percent of the 1981 to 2010 average EBY5sZtITy0-00029-00008464-00008802 rainfall this real-time dataset is EBY5sZtITy0-00030-00008803-00008959 updated monthly and shows the global EBY5sZtITy0-00031-00008960-00009123 land and ocean temperature anomalies EBY5sZtITy0-00032-00009124-00009319 anomalies are simply departures from EBY5sZtITy0-00033-00009320-00009544 average blue colors indicate cooler than EBY5sZtITy0-00034-00009545-00009720 normal temperatures whereas red colors EBY5sZtITy0-00035-00009721-00009859 indicate warmer than normal temperatures EBY5sZtITy0-00036-00009860-00010130 white indicates near average conditions EBY5sZtITy0-00037-00010131-00010395 first we can see the deep blue colors EBY5sZtITy0-00038-00010396-00010614 over the eastern United States as well EBY5sZtITy0-00039-00010615-00010816 as Far East Russia and parts of South EBY5sZtITy0-00040-00010817-00011010 Africa indicating below average EBY5sZtITy0-00041-00011011-00011376 temperatures throughout august 2013 for EBY5sZtITy0-00042-00011377-00011577 the month of august 2013 there were no EBY5sZtITy0-00043-00011578-00011776 regions of the globe experiencing record EBY5sZtITy0-00044-00011777-00012073 cold read portions of the map highlights EBY5sZtITy0-00045-00012074-00012240 several regions around the world the EBY5sZtITy0-00046-00012241-00012489 experienced above average warmth these EBY5sZtITy0-00047-00012490-00012748 areas include Australia northern South EBY5sZtITy0-00048-00012749-00013038 America Western North America Europe and EBY5sZtITy0-00049-00013039-00013337 much of eastern Asia EBY5sZtITy0-00050-00013338-00013599 this real-time dataset shows sea surface EBY5sZtITy0-00051-00013600-00013776 temperature anomalies measured by NOAA EBY5sZtITy0-00052-00013777-00014061 satellites blue colors indicate cooler EBY5sZtITy0-00053-00014062-00014283 than normal ocean temperatures whereas EBY5sZtITy0-00054-00014284-00014469 red indicates warmer than normal ocean EBY5sZtITy0-00055-00014469-00014772 temperatures notably the August global EBY5sZtITy0-00056-00014772-00015107 ocean temperature tied with 1998 2003 EBY5sZtITy0-00057-00015108-00015465 2005 and 2009 as the record highest for EBY5sZtITy0-00058-00015466-00015690 August portions of the barents sea in EBY5sZtITy0-00059-00015691-00015849 the Arctic region sections of the EBY5sZtITy0-00060-00015850-00016062 western Pacific Ocean as well as part of EBY5sZtITy0-00061-00016063-00016227 the southern central Indian Ocean had EBY5sZtITy0-00062-00016228-00016482 record warmth in August although ocean EBY5sZtITy0-00063-00016483-00016674 temperatures also Hubbard slightly above EBY5sZtITy0-00064-00016675-00016847 average in the Eastern tropical Pacific EBY5sZtITy0-00065-00016848-00017049 Noah's Climate Prediction Center EBY5sZtITy0-00066-00017050-00017277 predicts that the neutral el nino La EBY5sZtITy0-00067-00017278-00017472 Nina conditions will continue through at EBY5sZtITy0-00068-00017473-00017751 least the Northern Hemisphere winter now EBY5sZtITy0-00069-00017752-00017892 take a look at some of the ocean EBY5sZtITy0-00070-00017893-00018647 temperature differences around the world EBY5sZtITy0-00071-00018648-00018903 this real-time dataset collected by EBY5sZtITy0-00072-00018904-00019092 microwave sensors on NOAA satellites EBY5sZtITy0-00073-00019093-00019293 shows snow and ice cover updated daily EBY5sZtITy0-00074-00019294-00019527 watch the progression of days and note EBY5sZtITy0-00075-00019528-00019692 the retreat and expansion of snowfall EBY5sZtITy0-00076-00019693-00019956 the August sea ice extent for the Arctic EBY5sZtITy0-00077-00019957-00020133 was 15 point seven percent below the EBY5sZtITy0-00078-00020134-00020478 1981 to 2010 average this makes it the EBY5sZtITy0-00079-00020479-00020727 six smallest ice extent in the 35-year EBY5sZtITy0-00080-00020728-00020994 record for the month of August finally EBY5sZtITy0-00081-00020995-00021177 we'll move to Antarctica and discover EBY5sZtITy0-00082-00021178-00021396 that it's sea ice extent for August was EBY5sZtITy0-00083-00021397-00021621 four point five percent above the 1981 EBY5sZtITy0-00084-00021622-00021872 to 2010 average making it the largest EBY5sZtITy0-00085-00021873-00022128 August ice extent in the 35 year period EBY5sZtITy0-00086-00022129-00022500 of record and that's your august 2013 EBY5sZtITy0-00087-00022501-00022806 climate digest for more information EBY5sZtITy0-00088-00022807-00022965 please visit the website shown at the EBY5sZtITy0-00089-00022966-00023226 end of this video EF1ezwphXUA-00000-00000005-00001985 [Music] EF1ezwphXUA-00001-00001986-00002200 so I'm going to take you on a journey EF1ezwphXUA-00002-00002201-00002650 today imagine it's the year 2040 and all EF1ezwphXUA-00003-00002651-00002887 of you are some of the first settlers on EF1ezwphXUA-00004-00002888-00003169 Mars and you've just finished your very EF1ezwphXUA-00005-00003170-00003397 first surveillance mission you went EF1ezwphXUA-00006-00003397-00003604 around scouting and you've been checking EF1ezwphXUA-00007-00003604-00003817 things out and now you're coming back EF1ezwphXUA-00008-00003818-00004129 into the habitat and you're about to go EF1ezwphXUA-00009-00004130-00004411 in you need to ask permission to take EF1ezwphXUA-00010-00004412-00004747 off your suits in the airlock and you'll EF1ezwphXUA-00011-00004748-00005034 be decompressed before you go into the EF1ezwphXUA-00012-00005035-00005529 into the have itself and so you would EF1ezwphXUA-00013-00005530-00005863 say the lead the whoever was leading EF1ezwphXUA-00014-00005864-00006222 this mission would say Evie a lead to EF1ezwphXUA-00015-00006223-00006432 have come permission to enter the EF1ezwphXUA-00016-00006433-00006808 airlock over so this is a diverse team EF1ezwphXUA-00017-00006809-00007080 all of us here are very diverse we have EF1ezwphXUA-00018-00007081-00007369 our commanding officer we have the EF1ezwphXUA-00019-00007370-00007573 executive officer we have a health and EF1ezwphXUA-00020-00007573-00007813 safety officer there's an engineer a EF1ezwphXUA-00021-00007814-00008031 geologist and of course there's also an EF1ezwphXUA-00022-00008032-00008383 artists and residents we all come from EF1ezwphXUA-00023-00008384-00008509 different backgrounds in different EF1ezwphXUA-00024-00008510-00008724 countries and different education and EF1ezwphXUA-00025-00008725-00009003 all of us are united by our passion to EF1ezwphXUA-00026-00009004-00009535 explore the unknown and you will hear EF1ezwphXUA-00027-00009536-00009724 from the hab comm if everything checks EF1ezwphXUA-00028-00009725-00010071 out they will say HAP comm - Evi a lead EF1ezwphXUA-00029-00010072-00010234 permission granted EF1ezwphXUA-00030-00010235-00010764 you may now enter in the airlock so this EF1ezwphXUA-00031-00010765-00011002 is an example of a standard interaction EF1ezwphXUA-00032-00011003-00011263 protocol between an astronauts crew EF1ezwphXUA-00033-00011264-00011599 stationed on Mars or the moon and a EF1ezwphXUA-00034-00011600-00011833 local team coming back from an extra EF1ezwphXUA-00035-00011834-00012246 vehicular activity or it's called EBA so EF1ezwphXUA-00036-00012247-00012469 this is a simulation we're not really on EF1ezwphXUA-00037-00012470-00012802 Mars but we are still using our full EF1ezwphXUA-00038-00012803-00013057 body suits as you can see with helmets EF1ezwphXUA-00039-00013058-00013354 with full gear to do this simulation and EF1ezwphXUA-00040-00013355-00013612 if you don't follow this protocol you EF1ezwphXUA-00041-00013613-00013958 die and you can kill your entire crew EF1ezwphXUA-00042-00013959-00014272 I'm happy to report I've done this EF1ezwphXUA-00043-00014272-00014511 simulation multiple times and I have not EF1ezwphXUA-00044-00014512-00015066 killed myself nor my crew so since early EF1ezwphXUA-00045-00015068-00015529 2019 I've done four analog astronaut EF1ezwphXUA-00046-00015530-00015799 missions each lasting about five days EF1ezwphXUA-00047-00015800-00016153 and one of the missions I was even the EF1ezwphXUA-00048-00016154-00016575 crew commander and so you might be EF1ezwphXUA-00049-00016576-00016804 thinking why would somebody do something EF1ezwphXUA-00050-00016805-00017325 like this so I work at the intersections EF1ezwphXUA-00051-00017326-00017605 of experiential futures social research EF1ezwphXUA-00052-00017606-00017914 and design and as a futurist I'm EF1ezwphXUA-00053-00017915-00018187 interested in Megatron's things they're EF1ezwphXUA-00054-00018188-00018367 going to be impacting us collectively EF1ezwphXUA-00055-00018368-00018628 that are happening in the future as a EF1ezwphXUA-00056-00018629-00018831 social researcher I'm interested in EF1ezwphXUA-00057-00018832-00019033 studying human behaviors as we EF1ezwphXUA-00058-00019034-00019330 transition through these changes and as EF1ezwphXUA-00059-00019331-00019564 a designer I'm interested in designing EF1ezwphXUA-00060-00019565-00019780 strategic interventions to help people EF1ezwphXUA-00061-00019781-00020156 transition and adopt to these changes EF1ezwphXUA-00062-00020157-00020580 I'm researching edge cases of how EF1ezwphXUA-00063-00020581-00020833 communities come together and build EF1ezwphXUA-00064-00020834-00021103 resilience through change so this year EF1ezwphXUA-00065-00021104-00021309 the research has taken me to do these EF1ezwphXUA-00066-00021310-00021628 analog astronaut missions I'm interested EF1ezwphXUA-00067-00021629-00021880 in how space exploration can impacts EF1ezwphXUA-00068-00021881-00022072 life on Earth both from a technological EF1ezwphXUA-00069-00022073-00022362 perspective as well as a cultural and EF1ezwphXUA-00070-00022363-00022618 sociology sociological evolutionary EF1ezwphXUA-00071-00022619-00023155 perspective we're living in a time EF1ezwphXUA-00072-00023156-00023422 that's being called liminal space and EF1ezwphXUA-00073-00023423-00023730 this is the time in between we've know EF1ezwphXUA-00074-00023731-00024025 the things that the known where we have EF1ezwphXUA-00075-00024026-00024337 been is already gone and we're still EF1ezwphXUA-00076-00024338-00024558 don't really know what maybe there's so EF1ezwphXUA-00077-00024559-00024730 many transitions that are happening all EF1ezwphXUA-00078-00024731-00024922 at once everything from climate change EF1ezwphXUA-00079-00024923-00025162 to new technologies synthetic biology EF1ezwphXUA-00080-00025163-00025722 and becoming interplanetary species we EF1ezwphXUA-00081-00025723-00025995 need tools to prototype and embody how EF1ezwphXUA-00082-00025997-00026302 these upcoming changes may impact us as EF1ezwphXUA-00083-00026302-00026562 a society and understand possible EF1ezwphXUA-00084-00026563-00026865 unintended consequences of all of these EF1ezwphXUA-00085-00026866-00027238 changes before they occur and this is EF1ezwphXUA-00086-00027239-00027442 going to be really helpful for us as EF1ezwphXUA-00087-00027443-00027564 design EF1ezwphXUA-00088-00027564-00028012 and so experiential futures is actually EF1ezwphXUA-00089-00028013-00028285 a really powerful tool to help us deal EF1ezwphXUA-00090-00028286-00028462 with the unknown because it makes the EF1ezwphXUA-00091-00028463-00028752 intangible tangible so designers and EF1ezwphXUA-00092-00028754-00028920 futures and researchers will come EF1ezwphXUA-00093-00028922-00029131 together and they'll use different tools EF1ezwphXUA-00094-00029132-00029560 such as speculative design theater could EF1ezwphXUA-00095-00029561-00029733 also be using virtual reality and EF1ezwphXUA-00096-00029735-00029974 multimedia to create these experimental EF1ezwphXUA-00097-00029975-00030264 spaces and within those experience EF1ezwphXUA-00098-00030266-00030622 spaces people can people can work people EF1ezwphXUA-00099-00030623-00030829 can live and this is something that EF1ezwphXUA-00100-00030830-00031018 we've done with analog astronaut page EF1ezwphXUA-00101-00031019-00031183 permissions it's an experiential space EF1ezwphXUA-00102-00031183-00031411 where we can prototype different tools EF1ezwphXUA-00103-00031412-00031561 see how people respond to these EF1ezwphXUA-00104-00031562-00031819 different tools and also study behavior EF1ezwphXUA-00105-00031820-00032062 behavioral patterns over time to see how EF1ezwphXUA-00106-00032063-00032332 people respond and these types of spaces EF1ezwphXUA-00107-00032333-00032688 because before they become reality EF1ezwphXUA-00108-00032689-00033013 so to me doing this Mars simulation has EF1ezwphXUA-00109-00033014-00033328 really been a useful way to embody new EF1ezwphXUA-00110-00033329-00033520 ways that humans can create new EF1ezwphXUA-00111-00033521-00033592 paradigms EF1ezwphXUA-00112-00033593-00033883 of living together and through this EF1ezwphXUA-00113-00033884-00034135 research I was also able to identify new EF1ezwphXUA-00114-00034136-00034339 strategic opportunities to design an EF1ezwphXUA-00115-00034340-00034506 intervention EF1ezwphXUA-00116-00034507-00034917 so give you some examples of what I mean EF1ezwphXUA-00117-00034918-00035215 so the training that I've done is with EF1ezwphXUA-00118-00035216-00035446 an organization called Mars Academy USA EF1ezwphXUA-00119-00035447-00035737 or mi u and they paired the Mars EF1ezwphXUA-00120-00035738-00036058 medics training programs focusing on EF1ezwphXUA-00121-00036059-00036274 space medicine health and wellness and EF1ezwphXUA-00122-00036275-00036571 search-and-rescue so in this picture you EF1ezwphXUA-00123-00036572-00036760 can see we're testing a EF1ezwphXUA-00124-00036761-00037078 search-and-rescue protocol and a result EF1ezwphXUA-00125-00037079-00037342 of the spork Mars Academy USA is now EF1ezwphXUA-00126-00037343-00037596 developing new technology to aid in EF1ezwphXUA-00127-00037597-00037879 search and rescue procedures both in EF1ezwphXUA-00128-00037880-00038332 space as well as on earth and here's EF1ezwphXUA-00129-00038333-00038782 another example space medicine we've EF1ezwphXUA-00130-00038783-00039052 undergone training on telesurgery and EF1ezwphXUA-00131-00039053-00039360 Teller anesthesia where again we are EF1ezwphXUA-00132-00039361-00039637 prototyping all these different surgical EF1ezwphXUA-00133-00039638-00039856 procedures including intubation EF1ezwphXUA-00134-00039857-00040117 simulation using 3d printed devices and EF1ezwphXUA-00135-00040118-00040435 learning how to suture and this part of EF1ezwphXUA-00136-00040436-00040723 the research is to identify how quickly EF1ezwphXUA-00137-00040724-00040862 people with no EF1ezwphXUA-00138-00040863-00041159 previous medical training can learn how EF1ezwphXUA-00139-00041160-00041393 to do basic medical procedures of some EF1ezwphXUA-00140-00041394-00041624 of these medical procedures with the EF1ezwphXUA-00141-00041625-00042047 guidance of a telesurgery team I'm being EF1ezwphXUA-00142-00042048-00042281 guided by a remote surgical team and so EF1ezwphXUA-00143-00042282-00042569 this is really useful for advancement of EF1ezwphXUA-00144-00042570-00042863 telemedicine again here on earth as well EF1ezwphXUA-00145-00042864-00043420 as in space and so some of the other EF1ezwphXUA-00146-00043421-00043811 experiments that I was involved in we've EF1ezwphXUA-00147-00043812-00044015 tested different governance models so EF1ezwphXUA-00148-00044016-00044261 how we go about making decisions there's EF1ezwphXUA-00149-00044262-00044474 been different nutrition and diet models EF1ezwphXUA-00150-00044475-00044873 all kinds of scouting technologies soil EF1ezwphXUA-00151-00044874-00045119 sample collection techniques and various EF1ezwphXUA-00152-00045120-00045626 communication techniques and so what I EF1ezwphXUA-00153-00045627-00045851 was really most interested in as human EF1ezwphXUA-00154-00045852-00046079 relations and resilience as I mentioned EF1ezwphXUA-00155-00046080-00046205 earlier I'm interested in community EF1ezwphXUA-00156-00046206-00046427 resilience and to me this is really is EF1ezwphXUA-00157-00046428-00046616 the key because we can have the best EF1ezwphXUA-00158-00046617-00046841 technologies but if the crew doesn't get EF1ezwphXUA-00159-00046842-00047036 along we're not we're gonna get we're EF1ezwphXUA-00160-00047037-00047192 not gonna get really far and if you EF1ezwphXUA-00161-00047193-00047321 think about when we actually are EF1ezwphXUA-00162-00047322-00047711 journeying to Mars for real we're gonna EF1ezwphXUA-00163-00047712-00048073 have our trip to get there as well as EF1ezwphXUA-00164-00048074-00048317 settlements and this crew is going to EF1ezwphXUA-00165-00048318-00048575 have to work together at all the time EF1ezwphXUA-00166-00048576-00048767 and there's something called isolated EF1ezwphXUA-00167-00048768-00048992 confined extreme environment and there's EF1ezwphXUA-00168-00048993-00049190 a lot of research that's being done by EF1ezwphXUA-00169-00049191-00049430 NASA and some of other organizations EF1ezwphXUA-00170-00049431-00049685 focusing on space to test how crews EF1ezwphXUA-00171-00049686-00049847 respond in these types of environments EF1ezwphXUA-00172-00049848-00050108 and so this was part of the work and the EF1ezwphXUA-00173-00050109-00050507 research that I was involved in and so a EF1ezwphXUA-00174-00050508-00050894 lot of the crew bonding happens before EF1ezwphXUA-00175-00050895-00051050 the mission itself will prepare EF1ezwphXUA-00176-00051051-00051370 ourselves not only physically we prepare EF1ezwphXUA-00177-00051371-00051502 ourselves psychologically and EF1ezwphXUA-00178-00051503-00051836 emotionally and during the mission EF1ezwphXUA-00179-00051837-00052030 itself their various activities designed EF1ezwphXUA-00180-00052032-00052277 and being tested for relieving stress EF1ezwphXUA-00181-00052278-00052804 and dealing with crew conflicts and so EF1ezwphXUA-00182-00052805-00053039 as part of this process in my research I EF1ezwphXUA-00183-00053040-00053305 actually ended up developing a virtual EF1ezwphXUA-00184-00053307-00053471 reality conflict resolution training EF1ezwphXUA-00185-00053472-00053714 application to support people who are EF1ezwphXUA-00186-00053715-00053900 going through these missions to learn EF1ezwphXUA-00187-00053901-00054077 about conflict resolution tools because EF1ezwphXUA-00188-00054078-00054170 I have a background EF1ezwphXUA-00189-00054171-00054425 in conflict resolution and so this app EF1ezwphXUA-00190-00054426-00054575 works like a game and you're one of the EF1ezwphXUA-00191-00054576-00054782 players in virtual reality and you go EF1ezwphXUA-00192-00054783-00054950 through the different modules and learn EF1ezwphXUA-00193-00054951-00055267 how to resolve conflict with a virtual EF1ezwphXUA-00194-00055269-00055523 reality player and then once you unplug EF1ezwphXUA-00195-00055524-00055784 you continue learning and sharing that EF1ezwphXUA-00196-00055785-00056462 with your actual crew so this is a EF1ezwphXUA-00197-00056463-00056791 famous photograph it's called Earth rise EF1ezwphXUA-00198-00056792-00057053 many of you have probably seen it it was EF1ezwphXUA-00199-00057054-00057373 taken 51 years ago on Christmas Eve 1968 EF1ezwphXUA-00200-00057374-00057770 on the Apollo 8 mission and it was EF1ezwphXUA-00201-00057771-00057952 declared the most influential EF1ezwphXUA-00202-00057953-00058169 environmental photograph ever taken EF1ezwphXUA-00203-00058170-00058417 because this was an opportunity for EF1ezwphXUA-00204-00058419-00058604 humans to really get to know ourselves EF1ezwphXUA-00205-00058604-00058904 we went out into space to explore the EF1ezwphXUA-00206-00058904-00059162 unknown and yet when we took the EF1ezwphXUA-00207-00059163-00059363 telescope and we pointed it back at us EF1ezwphXUA-00208-00059364-00059624 this was a really crucial image to EF1ezwphXUA-00209-00059625-00059858 really help us think and it mobilized a EF1ezwphXUA-00210-00059859-00060032 movement on environmental and social EF1ezwphXUA-00211-00060033-00060454 issues and so for me this type of EF1ezwphXUA-00212-00060455-00060695 research and space exploration is EF1ezwphXUA-00213-00060696-00060902 important because we're learning a lot EF1ezwphXUA-00214-00060903-00061202 about ourselves as climate-related EF1ezwphXUA-00215-00061203-00061441 disasters become more frequent and I'm EF1ezwphXUA-00216-00061442-00061729 predictable and larger and scales will EF1ezwphXUA-00217-00061730-00062003 have to work very very closely together EF1ezwphXUA-00218-00062004-00062315 and we'll have to collaborate and this EF1ezwphXUA-00219-00062316-00062510 type of work that I've been studying EF1ezwphXUA-00220-00062511-00062861 community resilience really moves moves EF1ezwphXUA-00221-00062862-00063055 us forward and gives us some new EF1ezwphXUA-00222-00063057-00063389 research tools I my hope is that as we EF1ezwphXUA-00223-00063390-00063616 continue explore out there and start EF1ezwphXUA-00224-00063617-00063848 identifying ourselves as interplanetary EF1ezwphXUA-00225-00063849-00064100 species we learn to appreciate what we EF1ezwphXUA-00226-00064101-00064307 have here on this planet and work EF1ezwphXUA-00227-00064308-00064520 together to develop and accelerate EF1ezwphXUA-00228-00064521-00064904 solutions and I just want to leave you EF1ezwphXUA-00229-00064904-00065140 with this final quote by Margaret Mead EF1ezwphXUA-00230-00065141-00065429 human future is something which lies EF1ezwphXUA-00231-00065429-00065660 within our hands to be shaped and molded EF1ezwphXUA-00232-00065661-00065936 by the choices we make in present time EF1ezwphXUA-00233-00065937-00066341 and so as we move into 2020 I really EF1ezwphXUA-00234-00066342-00066548 believe that as designers we have an EF1ezwphXUA-00235-00066549-00066755 incredible opportunity to shape our EF1ezwphXUA-00236-00066756-00067055 future 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youtube's algorithm in EpcmkWOGoMY-00008-00001208-00001335 promoting more of our mental health EpcmkWOGoMY-00009-00001336-00001655 content to more people out there EpcmkWOGoMY-00010-00001655-00001879 hey psych2goers thank you so much for EpcmkWOGoMY-00011-00001880-00002047 your support EpcmkWOGoMY-00012-00002048-00002223 how do the people around you make you EpcmkWOGoMY-00013-00002224-00002471 feel are you truly happy in life right EpcmkWOGoMY-00014-00002472-00002542 now EpcmkWOGoMY-00015-00002543-00002750 having a loving and caring family EpcmkWOGoMY-00016-00002751-00002902 partner and friends EpcmkWOGoMY-00017-00002903-00003079 is important to keep you happy and EpcmkWOGoMY-00018-00003080-00003231 fulfilled in life EpcmkWOGoMY-00019-00003232-00003454 however like anything in life it's EpcmkWOGoMY-00020-00003455-00003638 impossible to have only the good things EpcmkWOGoMY-00021-00003639-00003838 without experiencing the bad things EpcmkWOGoMY-00022-00003839-00004047 and having bad and toxic friends has EpcmkWOGoMY-00023-00004047-00004286 always been a very common occurrence EpcmkWOGoMY-00024-00004287-00004511 toxic relationships can be very damaging EpcmkWOGoMY-00025-00004512-00004670 for your overall well-being EpcmkWOGoMY-00026-00004671-00004879 so it's very important to cut the toxic EpcmkWOGoMY-00027-00004880-00004991 relationships off EpcmkWOGoMY-00028-00004992-00005263 as soon as possible with this in mind EpcmkWOGoMY-00029-00005264-00005438 here are five types of people you should EpcmkWOGoMY-00030-00005439-00005654 stop being friends with EpcmkWOGoMY-00031-00005655-00005863 one the friend who always needs EpcmkWOGoMY-00032-00005864-00005983 something EpcmkWOGoMY-00033-00005984-00006191 does your friend only ever talk to you EpcmkWOGoMY-00034-00006192-00006375 when he or she needs something EpcmkWOGoMY-00035-00006376-00006567 this is a very telling sign that you EpcmkWOGoMY-00036-00006568-00006727 have a toxic relationship with that EpcmkWOGoMY-00037-00006728-00006831 person EpcmkWOGoMY-00038-00006831-00007031 don't get this wrong it's okay to need EpcmkWOGoMY-00039-00007031-00007191 things from your friends from time to EpcmkWOGoMY-00040-00007192-00007255 time EpcmkWOGoMY-00041-00007256-00007439 but a friend who is constantly asking EpcmkWOGoMY-00042-00007440-00007639 for things from you be it money EpcmkWOGoMY-00043-00007640-00007887 class notes or a ride without giving EpcmkWOGoMY-00044-00007888-00007991 anything back EpcmkWOGoMY-00045-00007992-00008142 is certainly someone who will not EpcmkWOGoMY-00046-00008143-00008351 contribute to your happiness EpcmkWOGoMY-00047-00008352-00008583 true friendships involve mutual interest EpcmkWOGoMY-00048-00008584-00008791 and not one person just taking from the EpcmkWOGoMY-00049-00008792-00008878 other EpcmkWOGoMY-00050-00008879-00009087 additionally people tend to change their EpcmkWOGoMY-00051-00009088-00009231 relationship priorities EpcmkWOGoMY-00052-00009232-00009414 at different times in their lives and EpcmkWOGoMY-00053-00009415-00009559 it's normal for your friends to have EpcmkWOGoMY-00054-00009560-00009646 less time for you EpcmkWOGoMY-00055-00009647-00009799 when they start working on a personal EpcmkWOGoMY-00056-00009800-00010063 project or when they find a partner EpcmkWOGoMY-00057-00010064-00010295 what's not okay is only looking for you EpcmkWOGoMY-00058-00010296-00010431 when they need something EpcmkWOGoMY-00059-00010432-00010663 and then giving you zero priority and EpcmkWOGoMY-00060-00010664-00010831 disappearing once they get what they EpcmkWOGoMY-00061-00010832-00010927 want EpcmkWOGoMY-00062-00010928-00011127 that only shows that rather than being EpcmkWOGoMY-00063-00011128-00011231 interested in you EpcmkWOGoMY-00064-00011232-00011399 they only see you as someone who they EpcmkWOGoMY-00065-00011400-00011535 can take from EpcmkWOGoMY-00066-00011536-00011759 so cutting these people out of your life EpcmkWOGoMY-00067-00011760-00011927 will allow you to spend more time EpcmkWOGoMY-00068-00011928-00012119 and effort on people who are actually EpcmkWOGoMY-00069-00012120-00012270 interested EpcmkWOGoMY-00070-00012271-00012574 two the friend who gaslights you have EpcmkWOGoMY-00071-00012575-00012687 you ever had a friend EpcmkWOGoMY-00072-00012688-00012863 who constantly blames you whenever EpcmkWOGoMY-00073-00012863-00012991 something bad happens in the EpcmkWOGoMY-00074-00012991-00013111 relationship EpcmkWOGoMY-00075-00013112-00013327 if the answer is yes you might need to EpcmkWOGoMY-00076-00013328-00013519 consider that your friend is gaslighting EpcmkWOGoMY-00077-00013519-00013599 you EpcmkWOGoMY-00078-00013600-00013775 gaslighting refers to the act of EpcmkWOGoMY-00079-00013776-00013966 manipulating a person to question their EpcmkWOGoMY-00080-00013968-00014030 thoughts EpcmkWOGoMY-00081-00014031-00014230 memories and things happening around EpcmkWOGoMY-00082-00014231-00014447 them make sure that you compare what EpcmkWOGoMY-00083-00014447-00014543 your friend is saying EpcmkWOGoMY-00084-00014544-00014822 with the way they act for example if EpcmkWOGoMY-00085-00014823-00014999 your friend says that they care for you EpcmkWOGoMY-00086-00015000-00015199 after blaming you but treats you very EpcmkWOGoMY-00087-00015200-00015415 badly chances are that they are only EpcmkWOGoMY-00088-00015416-00015591 saying that they care for you as a way EpcmkWOGoMY-00089-00015591-00015799 to gaslight you EpcmkWOGoMY-00090-00015800-00016038 3. the friend who never reaches out to EpcmkWOGoMY-00091-00016040-00016135 you EpcmkWOGoMY-00092-00016136-00016335 do you feel like you are the one doing EpcmkWOGoMY-00093-00016336-00016503 everything in a friendship to maintain EpcmkWOGoMY-00094-00016504-00016575 it EpcmkWOGoMY-00095-00016576-00016750 are you always the one who has to make EpcmkWOGoMY-00096-00016751-00016958 the plans to meet with your friend EpcmkWOGoMY-00097-00016959-00017143 a very common trait of a toxic EpcmkWOGoMY-00098-00017144-00017358 friendship is a one-sided investment of EpcmkWOGoMY-00099-00017359-00017399 time EpcmkWOGoMY-00100-00017400-00017647 and effort if and when they decide to EpcmkWOGoMY-00101-00017648-00017743 answer your texts EpcmkWOGoMY-00102-00017744-00017911 they also make you feel like they are EpcmkWOGoMY-00103-00017912-00018071 doing you a favor EpcmkWOGoMY-00104-00018072-00018286 if you can relate to that situation then EpcmkWOGoMY-00105-00018287-00018399 it might be a good idea EpcmkWOGoMY-00106-00018400-00018639 to find a way out of the relationship EpcmkWOGoMY-00107-00018640-00018814 being in a friendship where you have to EpcmkWOGoMY-00108-00018815-00018894 do everything EpcmkWOGoMY-00109-00018895-00019047 and then they make you feel like they're EpcmkWOGoMY-00110-00019048-00019319 doing you a favor can be very exhausting EpcmkWOGoMY-00111-00019320-00019630 and make you feel under-appreciated EpcmkWOGoMY-00112-00019631-00019855 four the friend who always talks about EpcmkWOGoMY-00113-00019856-00019991 themselves EpcmkWOGoMY-00114-00019992-00020199 keeping a balance in relationships can EpcmkWOGoMY-00115-00020200-00020375 be considered impossible EpcmkWOGoMY-00116-00020376-00020535 so accepting that some things will be EpcmkWOGoMY-00117-00020536-00020807 unfair in friendships is very common EpcmkWOGoMY-00118-00020808-00020967 however do you feel like your EpcmkWOGoMY-00119-00020968-00021119 conversations with your friend EpcmkWOGoMY-00120-00021120-00021391 always end up being about them even when EpcmkWOGoMY-00121-00021392-00021535 you talk to them about a problem that EpcmkWOGoMY-00122-00021536-00021622 you're having EpcmkWOGoMY-00123-00021623-00021783 they turn it around so that the EpcmkWOGoMY-00124-00021784-00022047 conversation ends up being about them EpcmkWOGoMY-00125-00022048-00022222 you might be looking for someone whom EpcmkWOGoMY-00126-00022223-00022391 you can vent your problems to EpcmkWOGoMY-00127-00022392-00022583 only to find yourself being the one EpcmkWOGoMY-00128-00022584-00022783 listening to your friend's problem EpcmkWOGoMY-00129-00022784-00022950 having this kind of friend can be EpcmkWOGoMY-00130-00022951-00023143 frustrating since you will feel like you EpcmkWOGoMY-00131-00023144-00023311 cannot rely on them or tell them EpcmkWOGoMY-00132-00023312-00023375 anything EpcmkWOGoMY-00133-00023376-00023527 while you always have to give them your EpcmkWOGoMY-00134-00023528-00023775 time and attention EpcmkWOGoMY-00135-00023776-00024007 5. the friend who always talks down on EpcmkWOGoMY-00136-00024008-00024119 you EpcmkWOGoMY-00137-00024120-00024303 do you feel like your friend constantly EpcmkWOGoMY-00138-00024304-00024494 says things to put you down or make you EpcmkWOGoMY-00139-00024495-00024630 feel inferior EpcmkWOGoMY-00140-00024631-00024839 if the answer is yes then the best you EpcmkWOGoMY-00141-00024840-00025014 can do is stop being friends with that EpcmkWOGoMY-00142-00025015-00025119 person EpcmkWOGoMY-00143-00025120-00025286 it's normal to feel like you are not in EpcmkWOGoMY-00144-00025287-00025463 a place that you wish to be EpcmkWOGoMY-00145-00025464-00025591 when one of your friends gets a EpcmkWOGoMY-00146-00025592-00025783 promotion or has achieved something you EpcmkWOGoMY-00147-00025783-00025887 have not EpcmkWOGoMY-00148-00025888-00026087 after all this feeling is one of the EpcmkWOGoMY-00149-00026088-00026206 main driving forces EpcmkWOGoMY-00150-00026207-00026502 for success however it's completely EpcmkWOGoMY-00151-00026504-00026558 different EpcmkWOGoMY-00152-00026560-00026718 if your friend is the one who comes to EpcmkWOGoMY-00153-00026719-00026918 you and brags about the promotion with EpcmkWOGoMY-00154-00026919-00027095 the intent of making you feel like you EpcmkWOGoMY-00155-00027095-00027223 are inferior EpcmkWOGoMY-00156-00027224-00027423 you are better off with no friends than EpcmkWOGoMY-00157-00027424-00027623 with friends who enjoy making you feel EpcmkWOGoMY-00158-00027624-00027695 inferior EpcmkWOGoMY-00159-00027695-00027990 constantly if any of the situations EpcmkWOGoMY-00160-00027991-00028087 addressed above EpcmkWOGoMY-00161-00028088-00028343 sound familiar to you then reevaluating EpcmkWOGoMY-00162-00028344-00028543 who you should truly consider a friend EpcmkWOGoMY-00163-00028544-00028751 and reorganizing your priorities is the EpcmkWOGoMY-00164-00028752-00028879 way to go EpcmkWOGoMY-00165-00028880-00029039 after all you wouldn't want to be EpcmkWOGoMY-00166-00029039-00029183 investing most of your time EpcmkWOGoMY-00167-00029183-00029383 and effort into nourishing a toxic EpcmkWOGoMY-00168-00029383-00029551 friendship that will only negatively EpcmkWOGoMY-00169-00029552-00029855 affect your overall well-being EpcmkWOGoMY-00170-00029856-00030055 we hope we were able to 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videos EpcmkWOGoMY-00186-00032624-00033791 thanks for watching EOuEprZOZaI-00000-00000000-00002567 [Music] EOuEprZOZaI-00001-00002568-00002607 so EOuEprZOZaI-00002-00002608-00002887 i think nice to see alan by the way so EOuEprZOZaI-00003-00002888-00003079 when alan hanan and i were EOuEprZOZaI-00004-00003080-00003431 started out um really EOuEprZOZaI-00005-00003432-00003615 we were really in the dark we used to EOuEprZOZaI-00006-00003615-00003799 see people with throat symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00007-00003800-00004086 and the only serious question was did EOuEprZOZaI-00008-00004087-00004279 they have throat cancer or not EOuEprZOZaI-00009-00004280-00004575 um so you know in my day use a mirror EOuEprZOZaI-00010-00004576-00004663 and alan's day EOuEprZOZaI-00011-00004664-00004831 a poor quality endoscope and check they EOuEprZOZaI-00012-00004832-00005022 didn't have cancer um EOuEprZOZaI-00013-00005023-00005231 and if they didn't have cancer then they EOuEprZOZaI-00014-00005232-00005463 were either dispatched back to the gp EOuEprZOZaI-00015-00005464-00005799 telling them not to worry anymore um or EOuEprZOZaI-00016-00005800-00005943 if you're very enlightened you'd send EOuEprZOZaI-00017-00005944-00006127 them off to a speech therapist EOuEprZOZaI-00018-00006128-00006791 but then we all saw the light EOuEprZOZaI-00019-00006792-00007134 lpr came in and thank god so suddenly we EOuEprZOZaI-00020-00007136-00007198 had something EOuEprZOZaI-00021-00007200-00007383 else that we could hang all throat EOuEprZOZaI-00022-00007384-00007606 symptoms on it wasn't just cancer or EOuEprZOZaI-00023-00007608-00007655 nothing EOuEprZOZaI-00024-00007656-00007910 we could have lpr instead and this EOuEprZOZaI-00025-00007911-00008046 spread like wildfire EOuEprZOZaI-00026-00008047-00008367 this is jamie kaufman in her later EOuEprZOZaI-00027-00008368-00008471 iteration EOuEprZOZaI-00028-00008472-00008799 um as a as a lady in new york EOuEprZOZaI-00029-00008800-00009142 um but in an earlier iteration um EOuEprZOZaI-00030-00009143-00009471 she did uh her phd on EOuEprZOZaI-00031-00009472-00009735 looking at extra suffocal reflux in dogs EOuEprZOZaI-00032-00009736-00009839 and coined the term EOuEprZOZaI-00033-00009840-00010103 ring of pharyngeal reflux and then set EOuEprZOZaI-00034-00010104-00010174 about EOuEprZOZaI-00035-00010175-00010510 throughout the 90s and 40s EOuEprZOZaI-00036-00010511-00010791 spreading the concept of lpr with EOuEprZOZaI-00037-00010792-00010983 religious zeal EOuEprZOZaI-00038-00010984-00011119 and it took hold because it was very EOuEprZOZaI-00039-00011120-00011342 fertile ground we literally had no EOuEprZOZaI-00040-00011343-00011471 scientific basis for EOuEprZOZaI-00041-00011472-00011742 for what we were doing but increasingly EOuEprZOZaI-00042-00011743-00011863 it's been shown to be EOuEprZOZaI-00043-00011864-00012263 an element of emperor's new clothes EOuEprZOZaI-00044-00012264-00012431 so the problem is that we don't EOuEprZOZaI-00045-00012432-00012583 understand the pathological basis of EOuEprZOZaI-00046-00012584-00012774 throat symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00047-00012775-00012966 and we really don't and there's so much EOuEprZOZaI-00048-00012967-00013127 more science that needs to go on EOuEprZOZaI-00049-00013128-00013279 we need to understand the way the EOuEprZOZaI-00050-00013280-00013527 muscles work the physiology the sensory EOuEprZOZaI-00051-00013528-00013607 receptors EOuEprZOZaI-00052-00013608-00013938 and i think particularly the EOuEprZOZaI-00053-00013940-00014255 microbiome mucosal immunology EOuEprZOZaI-00054-00014256-00014438 interface and i think that's probably EOuEprZOZaI-00055-00014440-00014671 true for a lot of gi as well EOuEprZOZaI-00056-00014672-00014879 so so we are still working pretty much EOuEprZOZaI-00057-00014880-00015086 in the dark but we're getting EOuEprZOZaI-00058-00015087-00015407 a few clues about what to do so i'm um EOuEprZOZaI-00059-00015408-00015791 an ent surgeon at uh ucl uch and EOuEprZOZaI-00060-00015791-00016007 uh at what used to be the royal national EOuEprZOZaI-00061-00016008-00016135 throats knows any EOuEprZOZaI-00062-00016136-00016535 hospital which is is now this nice shiny EOuEprZOZaI-00063-00016536-00016647 new facility EOuEprZOZaI-00064-00016648-00016791 uh which is on huntley street next to EOuEprZOZaI-00065-00016792-00016958 the main building EOuEprZOZaI-00066-00016959-00017215 and i specialize in throat so i do voice EOuEprZOZaI-00067-00017216-00017294 swallowing EOuEprZOZaI-00068-00017295-00017607 um breathing problems and EOuEprZOZaI-00069-00017608-00017958 rehabilitation of cancer patients EOuEprZOZaI-00070-00017959-00018214 declarations there so well anyway they EOuEprZOZaI-00071-00018215-00018327 are they are what they are EOuEprZOZaI-00072-00018328-00018511 and so i'm not doing much at the moment EOuEprZOZaI-00073-00018512-00018663 but if i i'm going to offers EOuEprZOZaI-00074-00018664-00018967 actually certainly um EOuEprZOZaI-00075-00018968-00019094 so what we're dealing with here the EOuEprZOZaI-00076-00019095-00019335 globus frangius formerly globalist EOuEprZOZaI-00077-00019336-00019494 derrickus of course club sister because EOuEprZOZaI-00078-00019495-00019679 deeply sexist term EOuEprZOZaI-00079-00019680-00019847 uh men can't be hysterical because we EOuEprZOZaI-00080-00019848-00019983 don't have wounds EOuEprZOZaI-00081-00019984-00020335 of course my wife would disagree EOuEprZOZaI-00082-00020336-00020686 and the inflamed larynx so this is a EOuEprZOZaI-00083-00020687-00020871 really inflamed larynx EOuEprZOZaI-00084-00020872-00021263 and it's got big polyp at the front EOuEprZOZaI-00085-00021264-00021575 uh it's got loads of swelling in the EOuEprZOZaI-00086-00021576-00021775 ventricle area between the true vocal EOuEprZOZaI-00087-00021776-00021927 cord and false vocal chord EOuEprZOZaI-00088-00021928-00022191 the whole larynx is edematous so in a EOuEprZOZaI-00089-00022192-00022350 patient where you saw this EOuEprZOZaI-00090-00022351-00022614 and they were getting roaring heartburn EOuEprZOZaI-00091-00022615-00022694 and EOuEprZOZaI-00092-00022695-00022935 regurgitation there would literally be EOuEprZOZaI-00093-00022936-00023022 no EOuEprZOZaI-00094-00023023-00023247 no real problem but unfortunately we EOuEprZOZaI-00095-00023248-00023503 rarely have that situation EOuEprZOZaI-00096-00023504-00023694 so symptoms this is janet wilson who we EOuEprZOZaI-00097-00023695-00023894 heard about earlier from jason EOuEprZOZaI-00098-00023895-00024230 um and she's been the ent guru and has EOuEprZOZaI-00099-00024231-00024335 set about EOuEprZOZaI-00100-00024336-00024655 um jamie kaufman's um hypothesis that EOuEprZOZaI-00101-00024656-00024830 everything's reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00102-00024831-00025078 and there have been the most amazing uh EOuEprZOZaI-00103-00025079-00025286 debates between jamie and janet EOuEprZOZaI-00104-00025287-00025591 because he he now she is about six foot EOuEprZOZaI-00105-00025592-00025631 three EOuEprZOZaI-00106-00025632-00025943 and incredibly extrovert and she's about EOuEprZOZaI-00107-00025944-00026255 three foot four and glaswegian and and EOuEprZOZaI-00108-00026256-00026287 it's EOuEprZOZaI-00109-00026288-00026511 it's a fantastic battle actually which i EOuEprZOZaI-00110-00026512-00026687 have to say she's pretty much won EOuEprZOZaI-00111-00026688-00026855 because there's very little evidence EOuEprZOZaI-00112-00026856-00027014 that um EOuEprZOZaI-00113-00027016-00027199 everything in the throat is due to EOuEprZOZaI-00114-00027200-00027479 reflux um about 25 percent of the uk EOuEprZOZaI-00115-00027480-00027631 population gets some throat symptoms we EOuEprZOZaI-00116-00027632-00027727 heard some EOuEprZOZaI-00117-00027727-00027862 large higher figures than that from EOuEprZOZaI-00118-00027863-00028111 jason earlier and there's a very strong EOuEprZOZaI-00119-00028112-00028246 placebo response EOuEprZOZaI-00120-00028247-00028495 um janet did some elegant studies EOuEprZOZaI-00121-00028495-00028639 looking at um EOuEprZOZaI-00122-00028639-00028862 how much um psychological involvement EOuEprZOZaI-00123-00028863-00028958 there was in EOuEprZOZaI-00124-00028960-00029158 developing globus pharyngeas a feeling EOuEprZOZaI-00125-00029160-00029351 of a lump in the throat and EOuEprZOZaI-00126-00029352-00029711 throat clearing um discomforts EOuEprZOZaI-00127-00029712-00029887 post nasal drip all of those kind of EOuEprZOZaI-00128-00029888-00030023 symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00129-00030024-00030279 and really found no big difference in a EOuEprZOZaI-00130-00030280-00030423 group of women EOuEprZOZaI-00131-00030424-00030614 who are tested psychologically with EOuEprZOZaI-00132-00030616-00030783 globus compared to those who did not EOuEprZOZaI-00133-00030783-00030918 have globus EOuEprZOZaI-00134-00030919-00031199 um there uh there's never been a large EOuEprZOZaI-00135-00031200-00031399 rct showing benefit of ppi EOuEprZOZaI-00136-00031400-00031718 over placebo um but the topics trial um EOuEprZOZaI-00137-00031719-00031951 which again jason alluded to and is not EOuEprZOZaI-00138-00031952-00032102 is about to be published EOuEprZOZaI-00139-00032103-00032455 um showed no real benefit over EOuEprZOZaI-00140-00032456-00032815 um ppi over placebo EOuEprZOZaI-00141-00032816-00032951 and however although this is an EOuEprZOZaI-00142-00032952-00033102 extremely laudable trial and adds EOuEprZOZaI-00143-00033103-00033302 significantly to the evidence base EOuEprZOZaI-00144-00033303-00033599 um i have to point out that there was no EOuEprZOZaI-00145-00033600-00033751 objective testing of whether people EOuEprZOZaI-00146-00033752-00033935 actually had reflux or not in this trial EOuEprZOZaI-00147-00033936-00034118 that would have been you know quite a EOuEprZOZaI-00148-00034119-00034295 logistic exercise EOuEprZOZaI-00149-00034296-00034671 um to do um dual probe and ogds on EOuEprZOZaI-00150-00034672-00034823 everybody EOuEprZOZaI-00151-00034824-00034983 but that was absent from this and it was EOuEprZOZaI-00152-00034984-00035143 purely symptom-based so EOuEprZOZaI-00153-00035144-00035367 i think that is still a question and EOuEprZOZaI-00154-00035368-00035527 there's undoubtedly EOuEprZOZaI-00155-00035528-00035799 um globus patients who do benefit from EOuEprZOZaI-00156-00035800-00035943 treating reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00157-00035944-00036111 uh also in association with cough and i EOuEprZOZaI-00158-00036112-00036215 think we'll be hearing a little bit more EOuEprZOZaI-00159-00036216-00036351 about that later on EOuEprZOZaI-00160-00036352-00036559 and i prefer the term extra esophageal EOuEprZOZaI-00161-00036560-00036783 reflux because it's not just the larynx EOuEprZOZaI-00162-00036784-00037127 it's also the pharynx and the back of EOuEprZOZaI-00163-00037128-00037183 the mouth EOuEprZOZaI-00164-00037184-00037415 and and the lungs as well that can be EOuEprZOZaI-00165-00037416-00037623 affected EOuEprZOZaI-00166-00037624-00037799 measurement of exposure the symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00167-00037800-00037959 could be direct but a lot of them could EOuEprZOZaI-00168-00037960-00038079 be referred EOuEprZOZaI-00169-00038080-00038407 um you know there is as as EOuEprZOZaI-00170-00038408-00038615 presumably we'll hear again later on uh EOuEprZOZaI-00171-00038616-00038774 the concept EOuEprZOZaI-00172-00038775-00039102 of um reflux uh stimulating those EOuEprZOZaI-00173-00039103-00039239 sensory sectors that phil woodland EOuEprZOZaI-00174-00039240-00039351 showed us earlier that are so close to EOuEprZOZaI-00175-00039352-00039399 the surface EOuEprZOZaI-00176-00039400-00039599 lowering the esophagus and stimulating EOuEprZOZaI-00177-00039600-00039743 reflexes higher up EOuEprZOZaI-00178-00039744-00040095 in the aerodigestive tract um 50 EOuEprZOZaI-00179-00040096-00040311 of people with no globus symptoms have EOuEprZOZaI-00180-00040312-00040439 episodes of EOuEprZOZaI-00181-00040440-00040727 ph less than four above the upper EOuEprZOZaI-00182-00040728-00040935 esophageal sphincter EOuEprZOZaI-00183-00040936-00041223 on dual probe monitoring um throat EOuEprZOZaI-00184-00041224-00041271 patients EOuEprZOZaI-00185-00041272-00041471 have more recorded ph drops so people EOuEprZOZaI-00186-00041472-00041702 with globus have more recorded ph drops EOuEprZOZaI-00187-00041703-00041935 but as anthony pointed out there's yet EOuEprZOZaI-00188-00041936-00042127 no international agreement EOuEprZOZaI-00189-00042128-00042439 as to the interpretation of the top part EOuEprZOZaI-00190-00042440-00042574 of the EOuEprZOZaI-00191-00042575-00042815 upper geophysiology studies and globus EOuEprZOZaI-00192-00042816-00043023 diagnosis EOuEprZOZaI-00193-00043024-00043174 pepsin there is definite evidence for EOuEprZOZaI-00194-00043175-00043423 pepsin in the larynx and pharynx EOuEprZOZaI-00195-00043424-00043623 this is as you know extremely aggressive EOuEprZOZaI-00196-00043624-00043855 enzyme uh and the laryngeal means was EOuEprZOZaI-00197-00043856-00043974 very sensitive EOuEprZOZaI-00198-00043975-00044199 and so the concept is that even very EOuEprZOZaI-00199-00044200-00044287 small episodes EOuEprZOZaI-00200-00044288-00044462 and brief episodes of reflux will EOuEprZOZaI-00201-00044463-00044615 stimulate any EOuEprZOZaI-00202-00044616-00044895 nascent pets in and cause damage that EOuEprZOZaI-00203-00044896-00045007 way EOuEprZOZaI-00204-00045008-00045190 um as we've been hearing again from EOuEprZOZaI-00205-00045191-00045374 anthony aerosol and impedance EOuEprZOZaI-00206-00045375-00045702 been a bit less work um and the true EOuEprZOZaI-00207-00045703-00045839 meaning of breast tech we've been EOuEprZOZaI-00208-00045840-00045983 hearing about EOuEprZOZaI-00209-00045984-00046183 um and associations don't equal a EOuEprZOZaI-00210-00046184-00046455 causation of course EOuEprZOZaI-00211-00046456-00046639 we use a tool called reflux finding EOuEprZOZaI-00212-00046640-00046783 score which was developed by peter EOuEprZOZaI-00213-00046784-00046983 bolafsky who's a laryngologist in EOuEprZOZaI-00214-00046984-00047158 california EOuEprZOZaI-00215-00047159-00047374 and he developed it when he was working EOuEprZOZaI-00216-00047375-00047558 as jamie kaufman's EOuEprZOZaI-00217-00047559-00047815 resident in fact um he also developed EOuEprZOZaI-00218-00047816-00047927 something called the reflex symptom EOuEprZOZaI-00219-00047928-00048135 index which we've heard about earlier EOuEprZOZaI-00220-00048136-00048343 and these in combination have been used EOuEprZOZaI-00221-00048344-00048518 as general markers EOuEprZOZaI-00222-00048519-00048774 of whether ent patients have reflux or EOuEprZOZaI-00223-00048775-00048839 not EOuEprZOZaI-00224-00048840-00049055 they are very very general the reflex EOuEprZOZaI-00225-00049056-00049271 symptom index peter now accepts that EOuEprZOZaI-00226-00049272-00049462 it's a general indicator EOuEprZOZaI-00227-00049463-00049702 of throat health and is not really EOuEprZOZaI-00228-00049703-00049862 terribly specific for reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00229-00049863-00050007 and the reflux finding score is EOuEprZOZaI-00230-00050008-00050183 extremely observer dependent EOuEprZOZaI-00231-00050184-00050415 this is a points based scoring system EOuEprZOZaI-00232-00050416-00050551 where you look at the larynx EOuEprZOZaI-00233-00050552-00050790 with the nase endoscope um and look at EOuEprZOZaI-00234-00050791-00050951 various factors and then score them EOuEprZOZaI-00235-00050952-00051135 i do use it but it's really in the EOuEprZOZaI-00236-00051136-00051270 absence of anything else EOuEprZOZaI-00237-00051271-00051542 and it allows me i mean i i know what my EOuEprZOZaI-00238-00051544-00051711 scores are i wouldn't necessarily say EOuEprZOZaI-00239-00051712-00051807 they're going to be exactly the same as EOuEprZOZaI-00240-00051808-00051950 everybody else's EOuEprZOZaI-00241-00051951-00052302 um and there are um abnormal reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00242-00052303-00052407 finding scores EOuEprZOZaI-00243-00052408-00052694 um in 64 to 86 percent of people EOuEprZOZaI-00244-00052695-00052919 depending how you look at it EOuEprZOZaI-00245-00052920-00053230 and in those with globus 38 so as you EOuEprZOZaI-00246-00053232-00053487 can see it's a mess EOuEprZOZaI-00247-00053488-00053887 the observer based scores and the EOuEprZOZaI-00248-00053888-00054166 symptom-based scoring are really messy EOuEprZOZaI-00249-00054167-00054350 there is a suggestion that pseudo sulcus EOuEprZOZaI-00250-00054351-00054479 is the best prediction i'll show you EOuEprZOZaI-00251-00054479-00054663 that in a second EOuEprZOZaI-00252-00054664-00054926 and uh i do look for that specifically EOuEprZOZaI-00253-00054927-00054975 um EOuEprZOZaI-00254-00054976-00055142 but really reflux finding score like EOuEprZOZaI-00255-00055144-00055271 like the symptom index probably EOuEprZOZaI-00256-00055272-00055379 represents to EOuEprZOZaI-00257-00055379-00055647 generic male and mucosal health rather EOuEprZOZaI-00258-00055648-00055847 than being specific for for reflux per EOuEprZOZaI-00259-00055848-00055935 say EOuEprZOZaI-00260-00055936-00056159 um and the use of ppi obviously it tends EOuEprZOZaI-00261-00056160-00056463 to be mandated by gi symptoms really EOuEprZOZaI-00262-00056464-00056671 so this is a nasal endoscopic view of EOuEprZOZaI-00263-00056672-00056766 the larynx EOuEprZOZaI-00264-00056767-00056975 we've got vocal cords um so the right EOuEprZOZaI-00265-00056976-00057103 vocal cord on the left of the picture EOuEprZOZaI-00266-00057104-00057254 and left one on the right EOuEprZOZaI-00267-00057255-00057503 and here um you can see the edge of the EOuEprZOZaI-00268-00057504-00057599 vocal cord is not EOuEprZOZaI-00269-00057600-00057847 really that very clear-cut in fact it EOuEprZOZaI-00270-00057848-00057991 almost looks as though there's two true EOuEprZOZaI-00271-00057991-00058103 vocal chords EOuEprZOZaI-00272-00058104-00058366 uh one below the other um with a groove EOuEprZOZaI-00273-00058367-00058503 in between and this is called EOuEprZOZaI-00274-00058504-00058847 pseudo-sulcus focalis and the theory EOuEprZOZaI-00275-00058848-00059038 here is that EOuEprZOZaI-00276-00059039-00059350 pepsin and reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00277-00059351-00059703 cause subglottic inflammation EOuEprZOZaI-00278-00059704-00060030 with this effect this patient also has a EOuEprZOZaI-00279-00060032-00060182 rather boggy EOuEprZOZaI-00280-00060183-00060511 post a posterior commissure so the area EOuEprZOZaI-00281-00060512-00060591 between the EOuEprZOZaI-00282-00060591-00060791 vocal chords at the back of the triangle EOuEprZOZaI-00283-00060791-00060935 is a bit boggy as well EOuEprZOZaI-00284-00060936-00061111 but that's really very poorly correlated EOuEprZOZaI-00285-00061112-00061271 we did a study with wisconsin which EOuEprZOZaI-00286-00061272-00061342 showed that EOuEprZOZaI-00287-00061344-00061623 actually what's called posterior EOuEprZOZaI-00288-00061624-00061879 laryngitis by some people which is EOuEprZOZaI-00289-00061879-00062111 sometimes used as a synonym for lpl EOuEprZOZaI-00290-00062112-00062326 actually is is pretty non-specific EOuEprZOZaI-00291-00062327-00062719 um and i i prefer the the pseudocircuit EOuEprZOZaI-00292-00062720-00062966 problem is the pseudoscience also occurs EOuEprZOZaI-00293-00062967-00063119 in this condition EOuEprZOZaI-00294-00063120-00063406 and this is um presby laryngis presby EOuEprZOZaI-00295-00063407-00063503 pharyngis EOuEprZOZaI-00296-00063504-00063815 it's an old throat basically EOuEprZOZaI-00297-00063816-00064063 in old throats the thyroidinoid muscle EOuEprZOZaI-00298-00064064-00064223 which is on the side of the vocal cord EOuEprZOZaI-00299-00064224-00064311 wastes EOuEprZOZaI-00300-00064312-00064526 and then the vocal cord appears to be EOuEprZOZaI-00301-00064527-00064638 thinner and smaller EOuEprZOZaI-00302-00064639-00064847 it's not it just moves to one side EOuEprZOZaI-00303-00064848-00064999 because the muscles are weaker EOuEprZOZaI-00304-00065000-00065175 and that reveals the subglottis and EOuEprZOZaI-00305-00065176-00065391 gives you this pseudo circus appearance EOuEprZOZaI-00306-00065391-00065655 we see the windpipe going down there we EOuEprZOZaI-00307-00065656-00065871 can also see in this elderly patient how EOuEprZOZaI-00308-00065872-00066038 wasted all the pharyngeal muscles are EOuEprZOZaI-00309-00066039-00066126 around it so EOuEprZOZaI-00310-00066127-00066263 it's no wonder that these people EOuEprZOZaI-00311-00066264-00066543 aspirate and um it's been measured that EOuEprZOZaI-00312-00066544-00066855 um in um EOuEprZOZaI-00313-00066856-00067094 people over 70 something like 30 percent EOuEprZOZaI-00314-00067095-00067175 of swallows EOuEprZOZaI-00315-00067176-00067526 involve some element of aspiration um EOuEprZOZaI-00316-00067527-00067703 so translator sophogoscopy has been EOuEprZOZaI-00317-00067704-00067847 alluded to earlier EOuEprZOZaI-00318-00067848-00068159 and this has been around for a long time EOuEprZOZaI-00319-00068160-00068463 but it is increasing in use um EOuEprZOZaI-00320-00068464-00068638 it's not found its place properly in the EOuEprZOZaI-00321-00068639-00068894 uk because it's a relatively expensive EOuEprZOZaI-00322-00068895-00068991 setup EOuEprZOZaI-00323-00068992-00069326 and there is a learning curve EOuEprZOZaI-00324-00069327-00069519 really when i use it i use it as a EOuEprZOZaI-00325-00069520-00069687 screening tool it's really handy to have EOuEprZOZaI-00326-00069688-00069838 it in the clinic so if a patient comes EOuEprZOZaI-00327-00069839-00070023 in with global symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00328-00070024-00070311 it's really a long nose endoscope and i EOuEprZOZaI-00329-00070312-00070431 can very quickly check EOuEprZOZaI-00330-00070432-00070711 for um some of the more gross esophageal EOuEprZOZaI-00331-00070712-00070799 disorders EOuEprZOZaI-00332-00070800-00070999 um this does not replace the need for EOuEprZOZaI-00333-00071000-00071119 ogd EOuEprZOZaI-00334-00071120-00071423 in people who have suspected reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00335-00071424-00071782 and other issues and my mantra to any EOuEprZOZaI-00336-00071783-00071967 ents who are learning tno EOuEprZOZaI-00337-00071968-00072238 is to have an incredibly low threshold EOuEprZOZaI-00338-00072239-00072494 for referring on to gi EOuEprZOZaI-00339-00072495-00072815 and even take images and same day share EOuEprZOZaI-00340-00072816-00072982 them with your gi colleagues from clinic EOuEprZOZaI-00341-00072983-00073103 if you're not sure EOuEprZOZaI-00342-00073104-00073255 so we've got a very low threshold for EOuEprZOZaI-00343-00073256-00073423 that but it is really quick EOuEprZOZaI-00344-00073424-00073694 and it's nice to be able to uh more or EOuEprZOZaI-00345-00073695-00073803 less rule out EOuEprZOZaI-00346-00073804-00074206 consolidation and you know rip roaring EOuEprZOZaI-00347-00074207-00074471 esophagitis but we can also look for EOuEprZOZaI-00348-00074472-00074631 some other stuff as well EOuEprZOZaI-00349-00074632-00074935 and this is one of jason's um gastric EOuEprZOZaI-00350-00074936-00075038 inlet patches EOuEprZOZaI-00351-00075039-00075335 with using the iscan facility on my EOuEprZOZaI-00352-00075336-00075447 pentax system but EOuEprZOZaI-00353-00075448-00075719 nvi will do also and that's it's quite EOuEprZOZaI-00354-00075720-00075799 nice to be able to do that EOuEprZOZaI-00355-00075800-00075943 in the clinic as well and the sitting up EOuEprZOZaI-00356-00075944-00076119 patient and the local um EOuEprZOZaI-00357-00076120-00076343 tno takes about seven minutes to do in EOuEprZOZaI-00358-00076344-00076447 total EOuEprZOZaI-00359-00076448-00076638 um and you can use tno to do stuff with EOuEprZOZaI-00360-00076639-00076782 as well so um EOuEprZOZaI-00361-00076783-00077038 i can use it to do um balloon dilatation EOuEprZOZaI-00362-00077039-00077199 in the clinic EOuEprZOZaI-00363-00077200-00077326 more commonly i do this under EOuEprZOZaI-00364-00077327-00077550 maltidation uh in theater EOuEprZOZaI-00365-00077551-00077726 and it's just logistically a lot easier EOuEprZOZaI-00366-00077727-00077887 to do that this is double balloon EOuEprZOZaI-00367-00077888-00078094 dilatation going on here EOuEprZOZaI-00368-00078095-00078287 and so this is for patients with EOuEprZOZaI-00369-00078288-00078447 resilient tightness of the crack of EOuEprZOZaI-00370-00078448-00078550 francis EOuEprZOZaI-00371-00078551-00078879 um cracofangis is um it's actually EOuEprZOZaI-00372-00078880-00078967 kidney shaped EOuEprZOZaI-00373-00078968-00079191 it's not round but we don't have kidney EOuEprZOZaI-00374-00079192-00079343 shaped balloons and so EOuEprZOZaI-00375-00079344-00079582 it's sometimes helpful to dilate with EOuEprZOZaI-00376-00079583-00079735 two balloons in parallel EOuEprZOZaI-00377-00079736-00079887 this is pretty uncomfortable without EOuEprZOZaI-00378-00079888-00080071 sedation i have to say EOuEprZOZaI-00379-00080072-00080279 one balloon can be tolerated but not EOuEprZOZaI-00380-00080280-00080487 always two EOuEprZOZaI-00381-00080488-00080671 and it's very safe and there's only been EOuEprZOZaI-00382-00080672-00080806 one reported perforation in the world EOuEprZOZaI-00383-00080807-00080926 literature for tierno EOuEprZOZaI-00384-00080927-00081223 and um my nosebleed rate is about one EOuEprZOZaI-00385-00081224-00081279 percent EOuEprZOZaI-00386-00081280-00081599 and it's really very minor so um EOuEprZOZaI-00387-00081600-00081767 okay treatment uh ppi's we've been EOuEprZOZaI-00388-00081768-00081959 hearing from phil and i i cannot add to EOuEprZOZaI-00389-00081960-00082038 his EOuEprZOZaI-00390-00082039-00082271 um his mastery discussion of the EOuEprZOZaI-00391-00082272-00082406 medications EOuEprZOZaI-00392-00082407-00082726 um the studies for the throat over are EOuEprZOZaI-00393-00082727-00082918 not uniform inconclusive to a large EOuEprZOZaI-00394-00082919-00083159 extent and the presence of heartburn in EOuEprZOZaI-00395-00083160-00083326 selecting patients EOuEprZOZaI-00396-00083327-00083606 for globus trials really just confound EOuEprZOZaI-00397-00083607-00083750 things quite a lot EOuEprZOZaI-00398-00083751-00083926 um alginates have been effective in one EOuEprZOZaI-00399-00083927-00084055 rct and i was EOuEprZOZaI-00400-00084056-00084271 very pleased here's the advances in EOuEprZOZaI-00401-00084272-00084438 alginates from phil EOuEprZOZaI-00402-00084439-00084671 um and then the issues over weaning all EOuEprZOZaI-00403-00084672-00084815 the people once once we've decided EOuEprZOZaI-00404-00084816-00084943 actually it's not reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00405-00084944-00085231 after all and the very very minor side EOuEprZOZaI-00406-00085232-00085326 effect issue EOuEprZOZaI-00407-00085327-00085511 um and then we've also heard about the EOuEprZOZaI-00408-00085512-00085743 evolving picture for the role of EOuEprZOZaI-00409-00085744-00085959 low esophageal sphincter surgery and EOuEprZOZaI-00410-00085960-00086111 stretter EOuEprZOZaI-00411-00086112-00086462 as well which we've already heard about EOuEprZOZaI-00412-00086463-00086703 so this is critical so um i do my EOuEprZOZaI-00413-00086704-00086887 clinics in association with speech and EOuEprZOZaI-00414-00086888-00087023 swallowing therapists EOuEprZOZaI-00415-00087024-00087215 these are highly specialized speech EOuEprZOZaI-00416-00087216-00087382 therapists who do voices EOuEprZOZaI-00417-00087383-00087735 and swallowing um swallowing therapy EOuEprZOZaI-00418-00087736-00087975 is actually poorly developed in the uk EOuEprZOZaI-00419-00087976-00088143 as is dysphagia management EOuEprZOZaI-00420-00088144-00088343 as a whole in fact that's one of my big EOuEprZOZaI-00421-00088344-00088447 bug bears really EOuEprZOZaI-00422-00088448-00088575 and how we really need to pull that EOuEprZOZaI-00423-00088576-00088759 together um EOuEprZOZaI-00424-00088760-00089111 and um they're indispensable because EOuEprZOZaI-00425-00089112-00089271 uh whether or not the relevance of EOuEprZOZaI-00426-00089272-00089535 reflux there are almost always elements EOuEprZOZaI-00427-00089536-00089662 of muscle tension EOuEprZOZaI-00428-00089663-00089999 and you can feel this in the throat so EOuEprZOZaI-00429-00090000-00090231 if you move the larynx from side to side EOuEprZOZaI-00430-00090232-00090359 in a globus patient you can feel EOuEprZOZaI-00431-00090360-00090447 crepitus EOuEprZOZaI-00432-00090448-00090631 the the larynx is being held rigid it EOuEprZOZaI-00433-00090632-00090743 doesn't elevate properly and it's EOuEprZOZaI-00434-00090744-00090847 pressed back EOuEprZOZaI-00435-00090848-00091087 against the pharynx and against the EOuEprZOZaI-00436-00091088-00091247 pre-vertebral tissues and you can EOuEprZOZaI-00437-00091248-00091431 crackle it against the back EOuEprZOZaI-00438-00091432-00091647 um the hyoid bone can become very tender EOuEprZOZaI-00439-00091648-00091791 and sensitive EOuEprZOZaI-00440-00091792-00091918 and the whole thing doesn't elevate EOuEprZOZaI-00441-00091919-00092111 properly when you swallow so EOuEprZOZaI-00442-00092112-00092367 so the muscles externally become very EOuEprZOZaI-00443-00092368-00092415 tense EOuEprZOZaI-00444-00092416-00092591 as well as the ones inside and speech EOuEprZOZaI-00445-00092592-00092718 consulting therapists EOuEprZOZaI-00446-00092719-00093023 can work with patients dealing with some EOuEprZOZaI-00447-00093024-00093079 of these EOuEprZOZaI-00448-00093080-00093231 psychological issues as well as some of EOuEprZOZaI-00449-00093232-00093471 the physical issues there are exercises EOuEprZOZaI-00450-00093472-00093550 which will EOuEprZOZaI-00451-00093551-00093806 allow them just to relax the insight as EOuEprZOZaI-00452-00093807-00093918 well as massage EOuEprZOZaI-00453-00093919-00094231 therapies will help relax the outside um EOuEprZOZaI-00454-00094232-00094447 these days of course we do an awful lot EOuEprZOZaI-00455-00094448-00094543 of this EOuEprZOZaI-00456-00094544-00094831 um and most species well actually it's EOuEprZOZaI-00457-00094832-00094943 mandatory now that EOuEprZOZaI-00458-00094944-00095150 speech therapy starts with remote EOuEprZOZaI-00459-00095151-00095247 consultations EOuEprZOZaI-00460-00095248-00095391 there are very few speech therapists EOuEprZOZaI-00461-00095392-00095574 still seeing patients in the nhs or even EOuEprZOZaI-00462-00095575-00095679 privately at the moment EOuEprZOZaI-00463-00095680-00095871 which is a shame because actually the EOuEprZOZaI-00464-00095872-00096062 the personal contact is critical where EOuEprZOZaI-00465-00096063-00096247 there's big psychological impact EOuEprZOZaI-00466-00096248-00096694 and also for the the massage therapy um EOuEprZOZaI-00467-00096695-00096887 i've heard from um gastroparent EOuEprZOZaI-00468-00096888-00096999 astrologers and EOuEprZOZaI-00469-00097000-00097174 gr surgeons that they found difficult to EOuEprZOZaI-00470-00097175-00097303 find an interested EOuEprZOZaI-00471-00097304-00097526 voice therapist locally or in their nhs EOuEprZOZaI-00472-00097527-00097615 clinics EOuEprZOZaI-00473-00097616-00097806 um you can find a guide to this in the EOuEprZOZaI-00474-00097807-00097974 british voice association website EOuEprZOZaI-00475-00097975-00098047 website EOuEprZOZaI-00476-00098048-00098191 and you should be able to find a voice EOuEprZOZaI-00477-00098192-00098415 clinic close to you with an interested EOuEprZOZaI-00478-00098416-00098679 voice therapist um and if you are in EOuEprZOZaI-00479-00098680-00098903 london or london area i'm happy to guide EOuEprZOZaI-00480-00098904-00098974 you as to EOuEprZOZaI-00481-00098975-00099150 who are the best there are some who are EOuEprZOZaI-00482-00099151-00099303 absolutely brilliant for EOuEprZOZaI-00483-00099304-00099543 difficult dispages and some who are EOuEprZOZaI-00484-00099544-00099647 really really good at the most EOuEprZOZaI-00485-00099648-00099767 psychological EOuEprZOZaI-00486-00099768-00100087 side of things um EOuEprZOZaI-00487-00100088-00100391 so symptoms cough globus EOuEprZOZaI-00488-00100392-00100526 we think they represent a default EOuEprZOZaI-00489-00100527-00100743 response to all kinds of challenges EOuEprZOZaI-00490-00100744-00100974 um of which reflux is only one and of EOuEprZOZaI-00491-00100975-00101150 course that stands to reason EOuEprZOZaI-00492-00101151-00101359 but this is a big shift away from where EOuEprZOZaI-00493-00101360-00101535 we were in 2005 EOuEprZOZaI-00494-00101536-00101735 where basically you managed everybody EOuEprZOZaI-00495-00101736-00101926 with as though they were lpr EOuEprZOZaI-00496-00101927-00102079 and then moved on if they didn't get any EOuEprZOZaI-00497-00102080-00102318 better EOuEprZOZaI-00498-00102319-00102663 so um i'm uh going to actually ask you EOuEprZOZaI-00499-00102664-00102823 whether you think these people EOuEprZOZaI-00500-00102824-00103142 um have had reflux or not EOuEprZOZaI-00501-00103143-00103447 so this is uh josh josh stone she is EOuEprZOZaI-00502-00103448-00103694 a soul singer and she had these things EOuEprZOZaI-00503-00103695-00103839 vocal nodules EOuEprZOZaI-00504-00103840-00104151 uh kinesh did joss stone have EOuEprZOZaI-00505-00104152-00104775 reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00506-00104776-00104934 this is very unfair i'm catching people EOuEprZOZaI-00507-00104935-00105078 completely EOuEprZOZaI-00508-00105079-00105431 off guard here EOuEprZOZaI-00509-00105432-00105566 kinnish might have to get out of his hot EOuEprZOZaI-00510-00105567-00105775 tub first i think you're right EOuEprZOZaI-00511-00105776-00106143 okay um uh alan EOuEprZOZaI-00512-00106144-00106566 you're ent so she's cheating a bit EOuEprZOZaI-00513-00106567-00106719 this is a really good test of how many EOuEprZOZaI-00514-00106720-00106886 people are actually listening to my talk EOuEprZOZaI-00515-00106888-00107054 i'm gonna i'm gonna butt in here because EOuEprZOZaI-00516-00107055-00107271 i'm my interest in jostling is twofold i EOuEprZOZaI-00517-00107272-00107390 think she's very good but also she's EOuEprZOZaI-00518-00107391-00107471 from dover EOuEprZOZaI-00519-00107472-00107623 which is where i'm from and i don't EOuEprZOZaI-00520-00107624-00107758 think anyone from dover can have EOuEprZOZaI-00521-00107759-00108047 functional symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00522-00108048-00108215 can i just say i think everybody from EOuEprZOZaI-00523-00108216-00108663 dover's got functional symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00524-00108664-00108895 well yeah and uh so so is she where EOuEprZOZaI-00525-00108896-00109039 dover soul comes from then EOuEprZOZaI-00526-00109040-00109534 phil what the sea yeah EOuEprZOZaI-00527-00109535-00109878 so so anyway never mind uh anyway EOuEprZOZaI-00528-00109879-00110263 so yeah so so sh she thank um EOuEprZOZaI-00529-00110264-00110615 famously said that um there we go i've EOuEprZOZaI-00530-00110616-00110775 got nudges on my vocal chords oh hang on EOuEprZOZaI-00531-00110776-00110902 there's the next one actually EOuEprZOZaI-00532-00110903-00111095 uh i wish certain people would realize EOuEprZOZaI-00533-00111096-00111231 that i need time off location i think we EOuEprZOZaI-00534-00111232-00111383 all sympathize with that EOuEprZOZaI-00535-00111383-00111654 so um there is some evidence of an EOuEprZOZaI-00536-00111655-00111863 association to vocal nodules and reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00537-00111864-00111999 and it may be that people EOuEprZOZaI-00538-00112000-00112215 clear their throat a lot more these are EOuEprZOZaI-00539-00112216-00112399 classic nodules associated with vocal EOuEprZOZaI-00540-00112400-00112519 abuse EOuEprZOZaI-00541-00112520-00112839 or overuse the management of these is EOuEprZOZaI-00542-00112840-00112999 speech therapy but if you are going to EOuEprZOZaI-00543-00113000-00113166 operate on the larynx for anything at EOuEprZOZaI-00544-00113167-00113207 all EOuEprZOZaI-00545-00113208-00113534 i always cover my patients with ppis EOuEprZOZaI-00546-00113535-00113815 as well uh for a week beforehand and two EOuEprZOZaI-00547-00113816-00113983 weeks afterwards just to make sure EOuEprZOZaI-00548-00113983-00114166 that we don't get any acid or pepsin on EOuEprZOZaI-00549-00114167-00114302 my beautiful little EOuEprZOZaI-00550-00114303-00114639 wounds uh okay uh nick EOuEprZOZaI-00551-00114640-00114902 uh hopefully you're still listening uh EOuEprZOZaI-00552-00114903-00115047 that's nick boyle by the way EOuEprZOZaI-00553-00115048-00115302 uh did uh what about bill clinton reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00554-00115303-00115495 yes or no EOuEprZOZaI-00555-00115496-00115758 um what sort of gastroesophageal reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00556-00115759-00115966 or ejaculatory reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00557-00115967-00116295 [Laughter] EOuEprZOZaI-00558-00116296-00116495 i have no idea probably i think he did EOuEprZOZaI-00559-00116496-00116686 we'll say his wife did didn't she his EOuEprZOZaI-00560-00116688-00116775 wife did i think EOuEprZOZaI-00561-00116776-00117095 during the uh the last presidential um EOuEprZOZaI-00562-00117096-00117423 uh election campaign is that right uh EOuEprZOZaI-00563-00117424-00117702 yeah kind of so so the the right answer EOuEprZOZaI-00564-00117703-00117815 is that he did have EOuEprZOZaI-00565-00117816-00118015 actual gastroesophageal reflux and and EOuEprZOZaI-00566-00118016-00118263 uh was being managed conservatively for EOuEprZOZaI-00567-00118264-00118471 for good um and then one day he EOuEprZOZaI-00568-00118472-00118599 developed severe EOuEprZOZaI-00569-00118600-00118758 burning in his throat that radiating EOuEprZOZaI-00570-00118759-00118919 down to his chest and in fact it turned EOuEprZOZaI-00571-00118920-00119127 out he was having an mi EOuEprZOZaI-00572-00119128-00119366 and subsequently he's his voices EOuEprZOZaI-00573-00119367-00119519 actually got a lot worse since he had EOuEprZOZaI-00574-00119520-00119695 his triple bypass EOuEprZOZaI-00575-00119696-00120047 um so here is what jamie kaufman said EOuEprZOZaI-00576-00120048-00120254 um bill clinton may have had either EOuEprZOZaI-00577-00120255-00120414 vocal cord damage during surgery EOuEprZOZaI-00578-00120415-00120686 um or acid reflux could also cause it um EOuEprZOZaI-00579-00120688-00120854 he's got a very breathy voice EOuEprZOZaI-00580-00120855-00121071 well actually i know jamie we do love EOuEprZOZaI-00581-00121072-00121158 you very much EOuEprZOZaI-00582-00121159-00121343 but this wasn't reflux this was actually EOuEprZOZaI-00583-00121344-00121566 vocal cord damaging EOuEprZOZaI-00584-00121567-00121758 um but you're right um her voice EOuEprZOZaI-00585-00121759-00121919 famously broke up quite a lot EOuEprZOZaI-00586-00121920-00122271 um during the last presidential campaign EOuEprZOZaI-00587-00122272-00122558 she simply couldn't believe donald trump EOuEprZOZaI-00588-00122559-00122631 and EOuEprZOZaI-00589-00122632-00122863 we're still there aren't we really um EOuEprZOZaI-00590-00122864-00123054 and actually there was no evidence that EOuEprZOZaI-00591-00123055-00123158 she had reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00592-00123159-00123278 her voice was breaking up for EOuEprZOZaI-00593-00123279-00123719 psychological reasons in fact EOuEprZOZaI-00594-00123720-00124071 okay what uh this guy um EOuEprZOZaI-00595-00124072-00124702 who should we ask uh let's uh EOuEprZOZaI-00596-00124703-00125510 bobby you are you listening bobby prasad EOuEprZOZaI-00597-00125511-00125839 this is fantastic everybody's gonna EOuEprZOZaI-00598-00125840-00126175 have a cup of tea um okay anthony come EOuEprZOZaI-00599-00126176-00126214 on EOuEprZOZaI-00600-00126215-00126366 i can hear you sorry i've pressed the EOuEprZOZaI-00601-00126367-00126590 wrong mute button oh no worries okay EOuEprZOZaI-00602-00126591-00126734 bobby what do you reckon EOuEprZOZaI-00603-00126735-00127095 so uh i mean he had um he had a lot of EOuEprZOZaI-00604-00127096-00127319 well he had you know what you call it EOuEprZOZaI-00605-00127320-00127558 sort of hpv related EOuEprZOZaI-00606-00127559-00127871 uh issues didn't he so a lot of oral sex EOuEprZOZaI-00607-00127872-00128086 so i'm afraid i don't know but i'm gonna EOuEprZOZaI-00608-00128088-00128358 say yes he did EOuEprZOZaI-00609-00128359-00128686 uh well so there's there's um there's EOuEprZOZaI-00610-00128688-00128823 actually there's been no evidence that EOuEprZOZaI-00611-00128824-00129014 he did in fact but you're quite right EOuEprZOZaI-00612-00129015-00129214 um he did have he did have threat cancer EOuEprZOZaI-00613-00129215-00129334 um i think EOuEprZOZaI-00614-00129335-00129519 i think we're okay actually there EOuEprZOZaI-00615-00129520-00129678 hopefully there's no children watching EOuEprZOZaI-00616-00129679-00129727 and EOuEprZOZaI-00617-00129728-00129951 anthony's hiding his dogs because this EOuEprZOZaI-00618-00129952-00130095 is what he said about his EOuEprZOZaI-00619-00130096-00130302 thorough symptoms now without wanting to EOuEprZOZaI-00620-00130303-00130447 get too specific EOuEprZOZaI-00621-00130448-00130631 this particular cancer is caused by hiv EOuEprZOZaI-00622-00130632-00130758 which actually comes about from EOuEprZOZaI-00623-00130759-00130814 something EOuEprZOZaI-00624-00130815-00130975 which i'm not going to say i think EOuEprZOZaI-00625-00130976-00131190 that's reasonably specific actually EOuEprZOZaI-00626-00131191-00131431 um there is actually um evidence that EOuEprZOZaI-00627-00131432-00131671 reflux does contribute to throat cancer EOuEprZOZaI-00628-00131672-00131847 it's probably the relative risk is EOuEprZOZaI-00629-00131848-00131999 something like um EOuEprZOZaI-00630-00132000-00132199 three times increase relative risk which EOuEprZOZaI-00631-00132200-00132343 is quite significant EOuEprZOZaI-00632-00132344-00132535 um but a lot of people with throat EOuEprZOZaI-00633-00132536-00132759 cancer still have really bad lifestyles EOuEprZOZaI-00634-00132760-00133135 um and and unpicking that is difficult EOuEprZOZaI-00635-00133136-00133454 however our guys now do tnos when EOuEprZOZaI-00636-00133455-00133535 they're screening EOuEprZOZaI-00637-00133536-00133799 people doing plan endoscopies to make EOuEprZOZaI-00638-00133800-00133878 sure there's no EOuEprZOZaI-00639-00133879-00134039 synchronous tumors but also looking for EOuEprZOZaI-00640-00134040-00134214 reflux as well in all of our head and EOuEprZOZaI-00641-00134215-00134502 neck cancer patients EOuEprZOZaI-00642-00134503-00134823 okay well right stephen fry um EOuEprZOZaI-00643-00134824-00135007 who should we ask who what's new about EOuEprZOZaI-00644-00135008-00135399 steven fry um EOuEprZOZaI-00645-00135400-00135883 uh jason are you still there if you run EOuEprZOZaI-00646-00135884-00136607 away EOuEprZOZaI-00647-00136608-00136895 to run away um i don't know shameen EOuEprZOZaI-00648-00136896-00137223 actually what do you think should mean EOuEprZOZaI-00649-00137224-00137590 uh i'm not i'm not sure actually um EOuEprZOZaI-00650-00137591-00137927 i i wasn't aware that stephen fry had um EOuEprZOZaI-00651-00137928-00138175 had problems with his voice or reflux so EOuEprZOZaI-00652-00138176-00138399 uh i'm uh i plead ignorance here i'm EOuEprZOZaI-00653-00138400-00138551 afraid EOuEprZOZaI-00654-00138552-00138790 yeah well actually he regularly tweets EOuEprZOZaI-00655-00138791-00138966 his ppi dose EOuEprZOZaI-00656-00138967-00139278 in fact um he's a big enthusiast EOuEprZOZaI-00657-00139279-00139519 for ppis and i believe that that's EOuEprZOZaI-00658-00139520-00139695 helped him with everything EOuEprZOZaI-00659-00139696-00139999 but on one famous occasion he also EOuEprZOZaI-00660-00140000-00140287 tweeted this uh awoke with satanically EOuEprZOZaI-00661-00140288-00140471 painful sinusitis wanted to wrench my EOuEprZOZaI-00662-00140472-00140583 left eye out EOuEprZOZaI-00663-00140584-00140871 work sued sudafed so there is a whole EOuEprZOZaI-00664-00140872-00140951 penumbra EOuEprZOZaI-00665-00140952-00141119 about whether sinusitis can be EOuEprZOZaI-00666-00141120-00141311 associated with reflux as well EOuEprZOZaI-00667-00141312-00141663 um in fact there is no evidence that EOuEprZOZaI-00668-00141664-00141887 sinusitis per se is associated with it EOuEprZOZaI-00669-00141888-00142047 but there is some evidence that there is EOuEprZOZaI-00670-00142048-00142190 a EOuEprZOZaI-00671-00142191-00142511 an esophago nasal reflex EOuEprZOZaI-00672-00142512-00142678 and that when you're getting reflex EOuEprZOZaI-00673-00142679-00142878 reflux you are more likely EOuEprZOZaI-00674-00142879-00143183 to get nasal obstruction but EOuEprZOZaI-00675-00143184-00143383 i don't think that his sinusitis was in EOuEprZOZaI-00676-00143384-00143526 fact related to his EOuEprZOZaI-00677-00143527-00143902 very well publicized really folks EOuEprZOZaI-00678-00143903-00144223 and finally this is a another baby i did EOuEprZOZaI-00679-00144224-00144423 try and find a famous baby that had glue EOuEprZOZaI-00680-00144424-00144495 here EOuEprZOZaI-00681-00144496-00144823 that's glue here for you um so EOuEprZOZaI-00682-00144824-00145143 uh rishi single rishi uh EOuEprZOZaI-00683-00145144-00145278 what do you think about glue ear and EOuEprZOZaI-00684-00145279-00145447 reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00685-00145448-00145895 um i'm not sure i mean uh EOuEprZOZaI-00686-00145896-00146247 um babies babies EOuEprZOZaI-00687-00146248-00146478 i mean babies babies do have some kind EOuEprZOZaI-00688-00146479-00146702 of reflux if i can remember from my EOuEprZOZaI-00689-00146703-00146847 pediatric days EOuEprZOZaI-00690-00146848-00147175 babies do get and babies do get reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00691-00147176-00147231 but EOuEprZOZaI-00692-00147232-00147511 is that related to glue ear i'm not sure EOuEprZOZaI-00693-00147512-00147543 i EOuEprZOZaI-00694-00147544-00147871 i'm sorry i'm not sure and and EOuEprZOZaI-00695-00147872-00148054 until you're right to be not sure it's a EOuEprZOZaI-00696-00148055-00148183 relatively unclear EOuEprZOZaI-00697-00148184-00148487 picture however um EOuEprZOZaI-00698-00148488-00148766 gastric type pepsin has been isolated EOuEprZOZaI-00699-00148767-00148887 consistently from EOuEprZOZaI-00700-00148888-00149214 uh the aspirate of babies undergoing EOuEprZOZaI-00701-00149215-00149414 grommet insertion for glue here EOuEprZOZaI-00702-00149415-00149654 so so there is some connection there EOuEprZOZaI-00703-00149655-00149847 they've they are of course lying on EOuEprZOZaI-00704-00149848-00149999 their backs a lot of the time EOuEprZOZaI-00705-00150000-00150223 they're regularly refluxing and they're EOuEprZOZaI-00706-00150224-00150399 very pated new station tubes EOuEprZOZaI-00707-00150400-00150607 so actually perhaps it's not so EOuEprZOZaI-00708-00150608-00150807 surprising but in terms of the causal EOuEprZOZaI-00709-00150808-00150951 link EOuEprZOZaI-00710-00150952-00151263 i think i'm somewhat doubtful but there EOuEprZOZaI-00711-00151264-00151407 we go there's reflux going up the EOuEprZOZaI-00712-00151408-00151575 eustachian tubes EOuEprZOZaI-00713-00151576-00152014 okay um so um we have started a dialogue EOuEprZOZaI-00714-00152015-00152199 the british laryngology association and EOuEprZOZaI-00715-00152200-00152231 the EOuEprZOZaI-00716-00152232-00152607 bsg um about trying to EOuEprZOZaI-00717-00152608-00152814 unify our approach nationally and EOuEprZOZaI-00718-00152815-00153095 guidance to lpr globus and dysphagia EOuEprZOZaI-00719-00153096-00153263 and the bsg as you know has a long EOuEprZOZaI-00720-00153264-00153502 established esophageal committee EOuEprZOZaI-00721-00153503-00153807 and they published some views on EOuEprZOZaI-00722-00153808-00154159 the throat in gastroenterology 2017. EOuEprZOZaI-00723-00154160-00154343 we held an initial meeting with them in EOuEprZOZaI-00724-00154344-00154535 the middle of last year and a subgroup EOuEprZOZaI-00725-00154536-00154599 meeting EOuEprZOZaI-00726-00154600-00154911 in october last year but unfortunately EOuEprZOZaI-00727-00154912-00155071 because of covid we've actually EOuEprZOZaI-00728-00155072-00155319 not progressed any further we would EOuEprZOZaI-00729-00155320-00155431 actually EOuEprZOZaI-00730-00155432-00155799 really like to work um more closely um EOuEprZOZaI-00731-00155800-00156007 so this is something published by harvey EOuEprZOZaI-00732-00156008-00156199 and frontline gastroenterology in 2018 EOuEprZOZaI-00733-00156200-00156407 and it's a kind of simple flowchart EOuEprZOZaI-00734-00156408-00156639 which i suppose is quite useful for geps EOuEprZOZaI-00735-00156640-00156719 although i think EOuEprZOZaI-00736-00156720-00156935 any of us really drilling down into this EOuEprZOZaI-00737-00156936-00157023 will probably EOuEprZOZaI-00738-00157024-00157390 find some issues um i mean for example EOuEprZOZaI-00739-00157391-00157743 uh i would say that just because people EOuEprZOZaI-00740-00157744-00157799 have EOuEprZOZaI-00741-00157800-00158151 an abnormal um laryngoscopy EOuEprZOZaI-00742-00158152-00158295 it doesn't mean that there's not more EOuEprZOZaI-00743-00158296-00158478 than one thing going on so they can have EOuEprZOZaI-00744-00158479-00158607 multiple things going on and they EOuEprZOZaI-00745-00158608-00158719 usually do EOuEprZOZaI-00746-00158720-00158887 they usually do need a bit of a bit of EOuEprZOZaI-00747-00158888-00159063 speech therapy and a bit of hands-on EOuEprZOZaI-00748-00159064-00159207 they usually do need a bit of attention EOuEprZOZaI-00749-00159208-00159375 to their psychological side EOuEprZOZaI-00750-00159376-00159583 as well as a serious consideration about EOuEprZOZaI-00751-00159584-00159726 whether they've got reflux or not EOuEprZOZaI-00752-00159727-00159983 and i have to say i've got quite a low EOuEprZOZaI-00753-00159984-00160159 threshold for referring for EOuEprZOZaI-00754-00160160-00160471 ogd and ph impedance studies EOuEprZOZaI-00755-00160472-00160654 maybe that's because i've got a slightly EOuEprZOZaI-00756-00160655-00160847 tertiary practice and i'm getting more EOuEprZOZaI-00757-00160848-00161159 more resilient patients but you know a EOuEprZOZaI-00758-00161160-00161302 lot of people don't want to be taking EOuEprZOZaI-00759-00161303-00161478 medication unnecessarily EOuEprZOZaI-00760-00161479-00161839 um and i think um if we had a EOuEprZOZaI-00761-00161840-00162175 easier access to uh gi physiology then EOuEprZOZaI-00762-00162176-00162487 we'd probably send a lot more i think on EOuEprZOZaI-00763-00162488-00162575 the EOuEprZOZaI-00764-00162576-00162871 cancer side obviously alarm alarm signal EOuEprZOZaI-00765-00162872-00162935 should go EOuEprZOZaI-00766-00162936-00163190 down the two-week weight anyway um EOuEprZOZaI-00767-00163191-00163383 there's a rather inflammatory paper i EOuEprZOZaI-00768-00163384-00163471 think that's going to come out EOuEprZOZaI-00769-00163472-00163854 soon which is um from an ent surgeon on EOuEprZOZaI-00770-00163855-00164031 the south coast that's going to suggest EOuEprZOZaI-00771-00164032-00164135 that EOuEprZOZaI-00772-00164136-00164295 gastroenterologists miss more head and EOuEprZOZaI-00773-00164296-00164551 neck cancers than the ant surgeons miss EOuEprZOZaI-00774-00164552-00164926 esophageal cancers i think however he EOuEprZOZaI-00775-00164927-00165143 misses the point that ent surgeons also EOuEprZOZaI-00776-00165144-00165254 miss quite a lot of EOuEprZOZaI-00777-00165255-00165478 head and neck cancers as well so don't EOuEprZOZaI-00778-00165479-00165759 get too excited when you see that paper EOuEprZOZaI-00779-00165760-00166063 um okay key points then so a lot of EOuEprZOZaI-00780-00166064-00166111 people EOuEprZOZaI-00781-00166112-00166351 are getting upper aerodigestive symptoms EOuEprZOZaI-00782-00166352-00166551 which could be ascribed to reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00783-00166552-00166743 they present multiple specialties and EOuEprZOZaI-00784-00166744-00166902 we've got many of them presented here EOuEprZOZaI-00785-00166903-00167014 today EOuEprZOZaI-00786-00167015-00167151 we don't understand the pathological EOuEprZOZaI-00787-00167152-00167287 base of throat symbols i think we're EOuEprZOZaI-00788-00167288-00167454 still in the dark age EOuEprZOZaI-00789-00167455-00167663 my son who did philosophy describes us EOuEprZOZaI-00790-00167664-00167823 as being at the we are EOuEprZOZaI-00791-00167824-00168126 ants stage so we think we know so much EOuEprZOZaI-00792-00168127-00168223 but actually EOuEprZOZaI-00793-00168224-00168502 looking back in 50 or 100 years time EOuEprZOZaI-00794-00168503-00168647 we're going to look pretty ant like i EOuEprZOZaI-00795-00168648-00168687 think EOuEprZOZaI-00796-00168688-00168975 when it comes to globus reflux has been EOuEprZOZaI-00797-00168976-00169087 a convenient catch-all EOuEprZOZaI-00798-00169088-00169326 but you know we need to be far more EOuEprZOZaI-00799-00169327-00169454 selective EOuEprZOZaI-00800-00169455-00169671 of course we all need to work together EOuEprZOZaI-00801-00169672-00169807 um ent EOuEprZOZaI-00802-00169808-00170119 gi gi surgery respiratory medicine uh EOuEprZOZaI-00803-00170120-00170407 speech and swallowing therapy thank you EOuEprZOZaI-00804-00170408-00170647 very much EOuEprZOZaI-00805-00170648-00170943 great that's great martin um i've got a EOuEprZOZaI-00806-00170944-00170983 few EOuEprZOZaI-00807-00170984-00171302 questions um first question is from bill EOuEprZOZaI-00808-00171303-00171375 clinton's EOuEprZOZaI-00809-00171376-00171590 defense lawyer over in leeds simon EOuEprZOZaI-00810-00171591-00171719 dexter saying EOuEprZOZaI-00811-00171720-00172295 was the white stained gaviscon after all EOuEprZOZaI-00812-00172296-00172447 yeah it was you have to be really EOuEprZOZaI-00813-00172448-00172631 careful taking the um the top off the EOuEprZOZaI-00814-00172632-00172719 bottle actually EOuEprZOZaI-00815-00172720-00172911 um when you when you were otherwise EOuEprZOZaI-00816-00172912-00173038 engaged EOuEprZOZaI-00817-00173039-00173231 um okay so i've got two two questions EOuEprZOZaI-00818-00173232-00173375 from madrid um EOuEprZOZaI-00819-00173376-00173614 he uh first of all is interested to hear EOuEprZOZaI-00820-00173615-00173759 if martin has an algorithm for the EOuEprZOZaI-00821-00173760-00173975 investigation of sore tongue or burning EOuEprZOZaI-00822-00173976-00174031 tongue EOuEprZOZaI-00823-00174032-00174311 as the predominant symptom same as lpr EOuEprZOZaI-00824-00174312-00174351 and is EOuEprZOZaI-00825-00174352-00174711 does a blood test have any role EOuEprZOZaI-00826-00174712-00175263 oh okay um so you can just say no EOuEprZOZaI-00827-00175264-00175463 no actually my algorithm my algorithm is EOuEprZOZaI-00828-00175464-00175631 to send them to the eastman dental EOuEprZOZaI-00829-00175632-00175935 hospital straight away EOuEprZOZaI-00830-00175936-00176190 yeah so yeah i know it's a heart sink EOuEprZOZaI-00831-00176191-00176287 symptom EOuEprZOZaI-00832-00176288-00176583 burning tongue um and you know there are EOuEprZOZaI-00833-00176584-00176678 there's actually well EOuEprZOZaI-00834-00176679-00176951 i'm very fortunate um one room away from EOuEprZOZaI-00835-00176952-00176983 me EOuEprZOZaI-00836-00176984-00177343 is uh is the uh um throat pain and EOuEprZOZaI-00837-00177344-00177590 burning tongue clinic so uh it's very EOuEprZOZaI-00838-00177591-00177726 easy for me to bounce them EOuEprZOZaI-00839-00177727-00178038 along um yeah i mean you know EOuEprZOZaI-00840-00178039-00178159 there's a whole load of blood tests you EOuEprZOZaI-00841-00178160-00178495 can do for for immune deficiencies for EOuEprZOZaI-00842-00178496-00178799 uh mineral deficiencies um EOuEprZOZaI-00843-00178800-00178943 and you need to make sure they're not EOuEprZOZaI-00844-00178944-00179111 candidiasis um EOuEprZOZaI-00845-00179112-00179407 that is not secondary to drugs that EOuEprZOZaI-00846-00179408-00179502 they're using EOuEprZOZaI-00847-00179503-00179838 but you know 98 of the time there's a EOuEprZOZaI-00848-00179839-00180007 big psychological component to it EOuEprZOZaI-00849-00180008-00180295 and and they need appropriate laying on EOuEprZOZaI-00850-00180296-00180454 of hands EOuEprZOZaI-00851-00180455-00180823 okay so moving on um i have got EOuEprZOZaI-00852-00180824-00181119 two questions on pnd uh so the first EOuEprZOZaI-00853-00181120-00181175 one's from EOuEprZOZaI-00854-00181176-00181447 andrew can you tell us your views about EOuEprZOZaI-00855-00181448-00181535 occult EOuEprZOZaI-00856-00181536-00181759 pnd in patients with throat symptoms in EOuEprZOZaI-00857-00181760-00182111 those seeing gi and those seeing ent EOuEprZOZaI-00858-00182112-00182423 yeah absolutely pnd EOuEprZOZaI-00859-00182424-00182654 i see this is really interesting because EOuEprZOZaI-00860-00182655-00182854 you know again when i roll out EOuEprZOZaI-00861-00182855-00183087 um you know 50 of the people coming EOuEprZOZaI-00862-00183088-00183199 through clinic who had EOuEprZOZaI-00863-00183200-00183447 had pnd and referred with it but it's EOuEprZOZaI-00864-00183448-00183631 just fallen out of favor we EOuEprZOZaI-00865-00183632-00183831 gps don't refer with postnatal drip EOuEprZOZaI-00866-00183832-00184031 anymore and and patients don't pitch up EOuEprZOZaI-00867-00184032-00184166 saying they've got it a lot of the time EOuEprZOZaI-00868-00184167-00184407 maybe they do to gi but you know it's EOuEprZOZaI-00869-00184408-00184471 it's EOuEprZOZaI-00870-00184472-00184583 not certainly not something i EOuEprZOZaI-00871-00184584-00184783 specifically inquire about EOuEprZOZaI-00872-00184784-00185023 the nose produces half liter mucus a day EOuEprZOZaI-00873-00185024-00185135 in normal people EOuEprZOZaI-00874-00185136-00185399 and and you produce up to two liters of EOuEprZOZaI-00875-00185400-00185543 saliva a day EOuEprZOZaI-00876-00185544-00185799 um and we just don't notice it it all EOuEprZOZaI-00877-00185800-00185895 just goes EOuEprZOZaI-00878-00185896-00186214 down if you have some reason why your EOuEprZOZaI-00879-00186215-00186263 throat EOuEprZOZaI-00880-00186264-00186487 is going to be more sensitive than usual EOuEprZOZaI-00881-00186488-00186623 either for pathological reasons because EOuEprZOZaI-00882-00186624-00186726 it's inflamed EOuEprZOZaI-00883-00186727-00187078 or because you have a hypersensitivity EOuEprZOZaI-00884-00187079-00187311 you know a functional hypersensitivity EOuEprZOZaI-00885-00187312-00187431 or um EOuEprZOZaI-00886-00187432-00187735 or post-viral then you can be more aware EOuEprZOZaI-00887-00187736-00187838 of it um EOuEprZOZaI-00888-00187839-00188054 and and so the vast majority of the time EOuEprZOZaI-00889-00188055-00188238 there is not an increased dripping of EOuEprZOZaI-00890-00188239-00188359 stuff coming down EOuEprZOZaI-00891-00188360-00188590 it's really this hypersensitivity and EOuEprZOZaI-00892-00188591-00188735 these are usually the people who've got EOuEprZOZaI-00893-00188736-00188838 a bit of globus EOuEprZOZaI-00894-00188839-00189038 um and and some other functional EOuEprZOZaI-00895-00189039-00189199 symptoms as well EOuEprZOZaI-00896-00189200-00189335 people who've got rip roaring rhino EOuEprZOZaI-00897-00189336-00189519 sinusitis are different EOuEprZOZaI-00898-00189520-00189743 um with them you know if they've got EOuEprZOZaI-00899-00189744-00189950 clear signs of rhinitis and allergy EOuEprZOZaI-00900-00189951-00190126 nasal blockage plus coming out EOuEprZOZaI-00901-00190127-00190343 that's a different story okay cool so EOuEprZOZaI-00902-00190344-00190550 i've got a question here from bobby EOuEprZOZaI-00903-00190551-00190759 about the uh and this is something that EOuEprZOZaI-00904-00190760-00190902 i know is dear to adam's EOuEprZOZaI-00905-00190903-00191078 heart that there was a paper in jama EOuEprZOZaI-00906-00191079-00191271 from 2017 that suggested mediterranean EOuEprZOZaI-00907-00191272-00191447 diet and alkaline water was equivalent EOuEprZOZaI-00908-00191448-00191966 to ppi and lpr EOuEprZOZaI-00909-00191967-00192183 yeah so well actually i'll be very EOuEprZOZaI-00910-00192184-00192302 interested in your views on alkaline EOuEprZOZaI-00911-00192303-00192350 water EOuEprZOZaI-00912-00192351-00192638 um i i don't personally prescribe it but EOuEprZOZaI-00913-00192639-00192847 i have a lot of people coming in with it EOuEprZOZaI-00914-00192848-00193150 and i don't dissuade them um so EOuEprZOZaI-00915-00193151-00193438 actually it's definitely not my area of EOuEprZOZaI-00916-00193439-00193550 expertise EOuEprZOZaI-00917-00193551-00193823 um so yeah i'd be very interested in EOuEprZOZaI-00918-00193824-00194031 other people's views actually EOuEprZOZaI-00919-00194032-00194207 okay so i live in cambridge and it's but EOuEprZOZaI-00920-00194208-00194366 the most alcohol in water i think ever EOuEprZOZaI-00921-00194367-00194590 and i don't have lpr so n equals one and EOuEprZOZaI-00922-00194591-00194750 it seems to work in me EOuEprZOZaI-00923-00194751-00194990 um i've got a question from jordan about EOuEprZOZaI-00924-00194991-00195111 pep test EOuEprZOZaI-00925-00195112-00195319 are there any other ways of non-invasive EOuEprZOZaI-00926-00195320-00195471 ways of looking at extra esophageal EOuEprZOZaI-00927-00195472-00195719 pepsin EOuEprZOZaI-00928-00195720-00196023 um well we've discussed rest tech EOuEprZOZaI-00929-00196024-00196295 it's not really non-invasive um it's EOuEprZOZaI-00930-00196296-00196463 it's much less invasive EOuEprZOZaI-00931-00196464-00196783 and rather better tolerated um i mean EOuEprZOZaI-00932-00196784-00196895 sometimes your EOuEprZOZaI-00933-00196896-00197238 you know pep test is is definitely not EOuEprZOZaI-00934-00197239-00197454 100 correlated with reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00935-00197455-00197663 but it is very easy to do and if you're EOuEprZOZaI-00936-00197664-00197823 trying to paint a picture it's something EOuEprZOZaI-00937-00197824-00197878 that EOuEprZOZaI-00938-00197879-00198238 you can add into that um again patients EOuEprZOZaI-00939-00198239-00198350 tend to pitch up with EOuEprZOZaI-00940-00198351-00198566 to me with their pet test results rather EOuEprZOZaI-00941-00198567-00198743 than me requested i think i've only EOuEprZOZaI-00942-00198744-00198838 requested EOuEprZOZaI-00943-00198839-00199190 like two in the past year um EOuEprZOZaI-00944-00199191-00199375 it's probably not as good as any of the EOuEprZOZaI-00945-00199376-00199599 things that we've been discussing today EOuEprZOZaI-00946-00199600-00199847 okay last question 30 seconds um it's EOuEprZOZaI-00947-00199848-00199959 from madrid saying if you want EOuEprZOZaI-00948-00199960-00200102 anti-reflux surgery EOuEprZOZaI-00949-00200103-00200311 in people who've got evidence of EOuEprZOZaI-00950-00200312-00200543 proximal reflux but distal negative ph EOuEprZOZaI-00951-00200544-00200783 in the absence of esophagitis EOuEprZOZaI-00952-00200784-00200959 are you supportive of an anti-reflux EOuEprZOZaI-00953-00200960-00201095 approaching some of those patients and EOuEprZOZaI-00954-00201096-00201143 what would EOuEprZOZaI-00955-00201144-00201495 push you into that decision-making EOuEprZOZaI-00956-00201496-00201726 yeah so i i would be supportive i would EOuEprZOZaI-00957-00201727-00201919 want to make absolutely sure that they EOuEprZOZaI-00958-00201920-00202054 hadn't responded to any of the other EOuEprZOZaI-00959-00202055-00202175 conservative measures that we've been EOuEprZOZaI-00960-00202176-00202278 talking about EOuEprZOZaI-00961-00202279-00202590 earlier um and you need to have to have EOuEprZOZaI-00962-00202591-00202743 a full and frank discussion with them EOuEprZOZaI-00963-00202744-00202831 about it EOuEprZOZaI-00964-00202832-00203150 or rather nick and nick EOuEprZOZaI-00965-00203151-00203423 and and the other surgical colleagues EOuEprZOZaI-00966-00203424-00203463 here EOuEprZOZaI-00967-00203464-00203766 would have to do so um you know EOuEprZOZaI-00968-00203767-00203966 they they would have to be made aware EOuEprZOZaI-00969-00203967-00204078 that there is some evidence that it's EOuEprZOZaI-00970-00204079-00204135 going to help EOuEprZOZaI-00971-00204136-00204471 um and i would certainly not be a verse EOuEprZOZaI-00972-00204472-00204638 to it in a resilient patients where EOuEprZOZaI-00973-00204639-00204790 you've got that kind of picture on EOuEprZOZaI-00974-00204791-00204942 physiology testing EOuEprZOZaI-00975-00204944-00205151 um i would i would certainly invite them EOuEprZOZaI-00976-00205152-00205398 to have that kind of conversation about EOuEprZOZaI-00977-00205400-00205646 benefits and risks with my surgical EOuEprZOZaI-00978-00205648-00206071 colleagues yeah i would EUQoP21qT74-00000-00000010-00000434 the Society of Jesus SJ Ladon Societas EUQoP21qT74-00001-00000434-00000677 IES U is a scholarly religious EUQoP21qT74-00002-00000678-00000844 congregation of the Catholic Church EUQoP21qT74-00003-00000845-00001085 which originated in 16th century Spain EUQoP21qT74-00004-00001086-00001366 the members are called Jesuits Latin I EUQoP21qT74-00005-00001367-00001448 sweetie EUQoP21qT74-00006-00001449-00001727 the Society is engaged in evangelization EUQoP21qT74-00007-00001728-00002041 and apostolic ministry in 112 Nations EUQoP21qT74-00008-00002042-00002327 Jesuits work in education intellectual EUQoP21qT74-00009-00002328-00002597 research and cultural pursuits Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00010-00002598-00002852 also give retreats minister in hospitals EUQoP21qT74-00011-00002853-00003068 and parishes sponsor direct social EUQoP21qT74-00012-00003069-00003372 ministries and promote ecumenical dialog EUQoP21qT74-00013-00003373-00003659 Ignatius of Loyola a basque nobleman EUQoP21qT74-00014-00003660-00003863 from the Pyrenees area of northern Spain EUQoP21qT74-00015-00003864-00004079 founded the Society after discerning his EUQoP21qT74-00016-00004079-00004279 spiritual vocation while recovering from EUQoP21qT74-00017-00004280-00004445 a wound sustained in the Battle of EUQoP21qT74-00018-00004446-00004711 Pamplona he composed the Spiritual EUQoP21qT74-00019-00004712-00004909 Exercises to help others follow the EUQoP21qT74-00020-00004910-00005059 teachings of Jesus Christ EUQoP21qT74-00021-00005060-00005443 in 1534 Ignatius and six other young men EUQoP21qT74-00022-00005444-00005698 including Francis Xavier and Peter Faber EUQoP21qT74-00023-00005699-00005918 gathered and professed vows of poverty EUQoP21qT74-00024-00005919-00006179 chastity and later obedience including a EUQoP21qT74-00025-00006180-00006388 special vow of obedience to the Pope in EUQoP21qT74-00026-00006389-00006535 matters of mission direction and EUQoP21qT74-00027-00006536-00006817 assignment Ignatius plan of the order's EUQoP21qT74-00028-00006818-00007031 organization was approved by Pope Paul EUQoP21qT74-00029-00007031-00007313 the 3rd in 1540 by a bull containing the EUQoP21qT74-00030-00007314-00007631 formula of the Institute EUQoP21qT74-00031-00007631-00007823 Ignatius was a nobleman who had a EUQoP21qT74-00032-00007823-00008014 military background and the members of EUQoP21qT74-00033-00008015-00008207 the society were supposed to accept EUQoP21qT74-00034-00008208-00008389 orders anywhere in the world where they EUQoP21qT74-00035-00008390-00008555 might be required to live in extreme EUQoP21qT74-00036-00008556-00008846 conditions accordingly the opening lines EUQoP21qT74-00037-00008847-00009035 of the founding document declared that EUQoP21qT74-00038-00009036-00009248 the Society was founded for whoever EUQoP21qT74-00039-00009249-00009503 desires to serve as a soldier of God to EUQoP21qT74-00040-00009504-00009716 strive especially for the defence and EUQoP21qT74-00041-00009717-00009899 propagation of the faith and for the EUQoP21qT74-00042-00009900-00010145 progress of souls in Christian life and EUQoP21qT74-00043-00010146-00010415 doctrine Jesuits are thus sometimes EUQoP21qT74-00044-00010416-00010646 referred to colloquially as God's EUQoP21qT74-00045-00010647-00011093 soldiers God's Marines or the company EUQoP21qT74-00046-00011094-00011318 which evolved from references to EUQoP21qT74-00047-00011319-00011519 Ignatius history as a soldier and the EUQoP21qT74-00048-00011520-00011720 Society's commitment to accepting orders EUQoP21qT74-00049-00011721-00011915 anywhere and to endure any conditions EUQoP21qT74-00050-00011916-00012182 the Society participated in the EUQoP21qT74-00051-00012183-00012368 counter-reformation and later in the EUQoP21qT74-00052-00012369-00012518 implementation of the Second Vatican EUQoP21qT74-00053-00012519-00012857 Council the Society of Jesus is EUQoP21qT74-00054-00012858-00013034 consecrated under the patronage of EUQoP21qT74-00055-00013035-00013253 Madonna della Strada a title of the EUQoP21qT74-00056-00013254-00013454 Blessed Virgin Mary and it is led by a EUQoP21qT74-00057-00013455-00013730 Superior General the headquarters of the EUQoP21qT74-00058-00013731-00014075 Society its general Curia is in Rome the EUQoP21qT74-00059-00014076-00014318 historic Curia of Ignatius is now part EUQoP21qT74-00060-00014319-00014537 of the collegio del gesu attached to the EUQoP21qT74-00061-00014538-00014732 Church of the Gesu the Jesuit Mother EUQoP21qT74-00062-00014733-00015088 Church in 2013 Jorge Mario bergoglio EUQoP21qT74-00063-00015090-00015344 became the first Jesuit to be elected EUQoP21qT74-00064-00015344-00016047 Pope taking the name Pope Francis EUQoP21qT74-00065-00016049-00016584 topic statistics EUQoP21qT74-00066-00016585-00016860 as of 2012 the Jesuits formed the EUQoP21qT74-00067-00016861-00017046 largest single religious order of EUQoP21qT74-00068-00017047-00017223 priests and brothers in the Catholic EUQoP21qT74-00069-00017224-00017385 Church although they are surpassed by EUQoP21qT74-00070-00017386-00017571 the Franciscan family of orders of EUQoP21qT74-00071-00017572-00017745 Friars Minor Capp kitchens and EUQoP21qT74-00072-00017746-00018048 conventions the Jesuits have experienced EUQoP21qT74-00073-00018049-00018225 a decline in numbers in recent decades EUQoP21qT74-00074-00018226-00018588 as of 2017 the society had sixteen EUQoP21qT74-00075-00018589-00018786 thousand eighty eight members eleven EUQoP21qT74-00076-00018787-00018927 thousand five hundred eighty-three EUQoP21qT74-00077-00018928-00019320 priests in 4505 Jesuits in formation EUQoP21qT74-00078-00019321-00019521 which includes brothers and scholastics EUQoP21qT74-00079-00019522-00019893 this represents a 40 2.6 percent decline EUQoP21qT74-00080-00019894-00020082 since 1977 EUQoP21qT74-00081-00020083-00020265 when the society had a total membership EUQoP21qT74-00082-00020266-00020475 of twenty eight thousand thirty eight of EUQoP21qT74-00083-00020476-00020661 which twenty thousand two hundred five EUQoP21qT74-00084-00020662-00020925 were priests this decline is most EUQoP21qT74-00085-00020926-00021060 pronounced in Europe and the Americas EUQoP21qT74-00086-00021061-00021312 with relatively modest membership gains EUQoP21qT74-00087-00021313-00021582 occurring in Asia and Africa there seems EUQoP21qT74-00088-00021583-00021828 to be no Pope Francis effect in EUQoP21qT74-00089-00021829-00022065 counteracting the fall of vocations EUQoP21qT74-00090-00022066-00022287 among the Jesuits the society is divided EUQoP21qT74-00091-00022288-00022515 into 83 provinces along with six EUQoP21qT74-00092-00022516-00022719 independent regions and ten dependent EUQoP21qT74-00093-00022720-00023076 regions on the 1st of January 2007 EUQoP21qT74-00094-00023077-00023361 members served in 112 nations on six EUQoP21qT74-00095-00023362-00023538 continents with the largest number in EUQoP21qT74-00096-00023539-00023826 India in the u.s. their average age was EUQoP21qT74-00097-00023827-00024105 57 point three years sixty three point EUQoP21qT74-00098-00024106-00024363 four years for priests 29 point nine EUQoP21qT74-00099-00024364-00024573 years for scholastics and sixty five EUQoP21qT74-00100-00024574-00024756 point five years for brothers the EUQoP21qT74-00101-00024757-00024969 current Superior General of the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00102-00024970-00025236 as Arturo Sosa the society is EUQoP21qT74-00103-00025237-00025425 characterized by its ministries in the EUQoP21qT74-00104-00025426-00025626 fields of missionary work human rights EUQoP21qT74-00105-00025627-00025863 social justice and most notably higher EUQoP21qT74-00106-00025864-00026147 education it operates colleges and EUQoP21qT74-00107-00026148-00026349 universities in various countries around EUQoP21qT74-00108-00026350-00026564 the world and is particularly active in EUQoP21qT74-00109-00026566-00026829 the Philippines in India in the United EUQoP21qT74-00110-00026830-00027042 States the Jesuits have historical ties EUQoP21qT74-00111-00027043-00027351 to 28 colleges and universities and 61 EUQoP21qT74-00112-00027352-00027608 high schools the degree to which the EUQoP21qT74-00113-00027610-00027744 Jesuits are involved in the EUQoP21qT74-00114-00027745-00027908 administration of each institution EUQoP21qT74-00115-00027910-00028358 varies as of September 2018 15 of the 28 EUQoP21qT74-00116-00028360-00028587 Jesuit universities in the US had non EUQoP21qT74-00117-00028588-00028857 Jesuit lay presidents according to a EUQoP21qT74-00118-00028858-00029160 2014 article in the Atlantic the number EUQoP21qT74-00119-00029161-00029364 of Jesuit priests who are active in EUQoP21qT74-00120-00029364-00029613 everyday operations at the schools isn't EUQoP21qT74-00121-00029614-00029880 nearly as high as it once was EUQoP21qT74-00122-00029881-00030264 worldwide it runs 322 secondary schools EUQoP21qT74-00123-00030264-00030595 in 172 colleges and universities a EUQoP21qT74-00124-00030597-00030837 typical conception of the mission of a EUQoP21qT74-00125-00030838-00031040 Jesuit school will often contain such EUQoP21qT74-00126-00031041-00031251 concepts as proposing Christ as the EUQoP21qT74-00127-00031252-00031439 model of human life the pursuit of EUQoP21qT74-00128-00031441-00031572 excellence in teaching and learning EUQoP21qT74-00129-00031573-00031797 lifelong spiritual and intellectual EUQoP21qT74-00130-00031798-00031998 growth and training men and women for EUQoP21qT74-00131-00031999-00032541 others EUQoP21qT74-00132-00032542-00033147 topic formula of the Institute EUQoP21qT74-00133-00033148-00033382 Ignatius laid out his original vision EUQoP21qT74-00134-00033383-00033616 for the new order in the formula of the EUQoP21qT74-00135-00033617-00033855 Institute of the Society of Jesus EUQoP21qT74-00136-00033856-00034150 witches the fundamental charter of the EUQoP21qT74-00137-00034151-00034390 order of which all subsequent official EUQoP21qT74-00138-00034391-00034621 documents were elaborations and to which EUQoP21qT74-00139-00034622-00034930 they had to conform he ensured that his EUQoP21qT74-00140-00034931-00035143 formula was contained in two papal bulls EUQoP21qT74-00141-00035144-00035416 signed by Pope Paul the third in 1540 EUQoP21qT74-00142-00035417-00035764 and by Pope Julius the third in 1550 the EUQoP21qT74-00143-00035765-00035922 formula expressed the nature EUQoP21qT74-00144-00035923-00036139 spirituality community life and EUQoP21qT74-00145-00036140-00036337 apostolate of the new religious order EUQoP21qT74-00146-00036338-00036610 it's famous opening statement echoed EUQoP21qT74-00147-00036611-00036910 Ignatius military background whoever EUQoP21qT74-00148-00036911-00037105 desires to serve as a soldier of God EUQoP21qT74-00149-00037106-00037291 beneath the banner of the Cross in our EUQoP21qT74-00150-00037292-00037531 society which we desire to be designated EUQoP21qT74-00151-00037532-00037711 by the name of Jesus and to serve the EUQoP21qT74-00152-00037712-00037888 Lord alone in the church his spouse EUQoP21qT74-00153-00037889-00038077 under the roman pontiff the Vicar of EUQoP21qT74-00154-00038078-00038284 Christ on earth should after a solemn EUQoP21qT74-00155-00038285-00038500 vow of Perpetual chastity poverty and EUQoP21qT74-00156-00038501-00038797 obedience keep what follows in mind he EUQoP21qT74-00157-00038798-00039022 is a member of a society founded chiefly EUQoP21qT74-00158-00039023-00039220 for this purpose to strive especially EUQoP21qT74-00159-00039221-00039409 for the defence and propagation of the EUQoP21qT74-00160-00039410-00039607 faith and for the progress of 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EUQoP21qT74-00174-00042200-00042358 perform any other works of charity EUQoP21qT74-00175-00042359-00042571 according to what will seem expedient EUQoP21qT74-00176-00042572-00042754 for the glory of God and the common good EUQoP21qT74-00177-00042755-00043063 a fresco depicting Ignatius of Loyola EUQoP21qT74-00178-00043064-00043276 receiving the papal bull Reggie Meany EUQoP21qT74-00179-00043277-00043501 militant dis ecclesia from Pope Paul the EUQoP21qT74-00180-00043502-00043816 3rd was created after 1743 by Johann EUQoP21qT74-00181-00043817-00044002 Christoph Hankey in the Church of Our EUQoP21qT74-00182-00044003-00044658 Lady of the snow and Olomouc EUQoP21qT74-00183-00044659-00045155 topic history EUQoP21qT74-00184-00045156-00045496 you EUQoP21qT74-00185-00045497-00045997 topic foundation EUQoP21qT74-00186-00045998-00046366 on the 15th of august 1534 ignatius of EUQoP21qT74-00187-00046367-00046633 loyola born amigo lopez de loyola a EUQoP21qT74-00188-00046634-00046834 Spaniard from the basque city of loyola EUQoP21qT74-00189-00046835-00047047 and six others mostly of Castilian EUQoP21qT74-00190-00047048-00047257 origin all students at the University of EUQoP21qT74-00191-00047258-00047512 Paris met in Montmartre outside Paris in EUQoP21qT74-00192-00047513-00047710 a crypt beneath the Church of st. Denis EUQoP21qT74-00193-00047711-00047905 now son Pierre de Montmartre to EUQoP21qT74-00194-00047906-00048094 pronounce the religious vows of poverty EUQoP21qT74-00195-00048095-00048418 chastity and obedience Ignatius six EUQoP21qT74-00196-00048419-00048634 companions were Francisco Xavier from EUQoP21qT74-00197-00048635-00048931 Navarre modern Spain Alfonso saw Miran EUQoP21qT74-00198-00048932-00049165 Diego lanes Nicolas Bobo Dilla from EUQoP21qT74-00199-00049166-00049414 Castile modern Spain Peter Faber from EUQoP21qT74-00200-00049415-00049672 Savoie and Sima Rodriguez from Portugal EUQoP21qT74-00201-00049673-00049921 the meeting has been commemorated in the EUQoP21qT74-00202-00049922-00050209 martyrdom of Saint Denis Montmartre they EUQoP21qT74-00203-00050210-00050368 called themselves the compañía de EUQoP21qT74-00204-00050369-00050629 hey-zeus and also amigos and el senor or EUQoP21qT74-00205-00050630-00050899 friends in the lord because they felt EUQoP21qT74-00206-00050900-00051216 they were placed together by christ the EUQoP21qT74-00207-00051217-00051529 named company had echoes of the military EUQoP21qT74-00208-00051529-00051757 reflecting perhaps Ignatius background EUQoP21qT74-00209-00051758-00051942 as captain in the Spanish army as well EUQoP21qT74-00210-00051944-00052219 as of discipleship the companions of EUQoP21qT74-00211-00052220-00052597 Jesus the Spanish company would be EUQoP21qT74-00212-00052598-00052830 translated into Latin associate is like EUQoP21qT74-00213-00052832-00053146 in sotius a partner or comrade from this EUQoP21qT74-00214-00053147-00053377 came society of Jesus EUQoP21qT74-00215-00053378-00053620 SJ by which they would be known more EUQoP21qT74-00216-00053621-00053854 widely religious orders established in EUQoP21qT74-00217-00053854-00054001 the medieval era were named after EUQoP21qT74-00218-00054002-00054219 particular men Francis of Assisi EUQoP21qT74-00219-00054220-00054487 Franciscans Domingo de guzman later EUQoP21qT74-00220-00054488-00054715 canonized as Saint Dominic Dominicans EUQoP21qT74-00221-00054716-00054963 and Augustine of Hippo Augustinians EUQoP21qT74-00222-00054964-00055191 Ignatius of Loyola and his followers EUQoP21qT74-00223-00055191-00055414 appropriated the name of Jesus for their EUQoP21qT74-00224-00055415-00055609 new order provoking resentment by other EUQoP21qT74-00225-00055610-00055813 religious who considered it presumptuous EUQoP21qT74-00226-00055814-00056098 the resentment was recorded by Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00227-00056099-00056316 Jose de Acosta of a conversation with EUQoP21qT74-00228-00056317-00056596 the Archbishop of Santo Domingo in the EUQoP21qT74-00229-00056597-00056817 words of one historian the use of the EUQoP21qT74-00230-00056819-00057124 name Jesus gave great offense both on EUQoP21qT74-00231-00057125-00057291 the continent and in England it was EUQoP21qT74-00232-00057292-00057544 denounced as blasphemous petitions were EUQoP21qT74-00233-00057545-00057717 sent to Kings and to civil and EUQoP21qT74-00234-00057719-00057949 ecclesiastical tribunals to have it EUQoP21qT74-00235-00057950-00058216 changed and even Pope Sixtus v had EUQoP21qT74-00236-00058216-00058507 signed a brief to do away with it but EUQoP21qT74-00237-00058508-00058704 nothing came of all the opposition there EUQoP21qT74-00238-00058705-00058894 were already congregations named after EUQoP21qT74-00239-00058895-00059196 the Trinity Innes God's daughters in EUQoP21qT74-00240-00059197-00059374 1537 the seven EUQoP21qT74-00241-00059375-00059533 travelled to Italy to seek papal EUQoP21qT74-00242-00059534-00059779 approval for their order Pope Paul the EUQoP21qT74-00243-00059779-00059944 3rd gave them a commendation and EUQoP21qT74-00244-00059945-00060133 permitted them to be ordained priests EUQoP21qT74-00245-00060134-00060405 these initial steps led to the official EUQoP21qT74-00246-00060407-00060741 founding in 1540 they were ordained in EUQoP21qT74-00247-00060742-00060982 Venice by the Bishop of ARP the 24th of EUQoP21qT74-00248-00060983-00061210 June they devoted themselves to EUQoP21qT74-00249-00061211-00061423 preaching and charitable work in Italy EUQoP21qT74-00250-00061424-00061849 the Italian war of 1535 to 1538 renewed EUQoP21qT74-00251-00061850-00062095 between Charles v Holy Roman Emperor EUQoP21qT74-00252-00062096-00062316 Venice the Pope and the Ottoman Empire EUQoP21qT74-00253-00062317-00062521 had rendered any journey to Jerusalem EUQoP21qT74-00254-00062522-00062899 impossible again in 1540 they presented EUQoP21qT74-00255-00062900-00063180 the project to Paul the 3rd after months EUQoP21qT74-00256-00063182-00063397 of dispute a congregation of Cardinals EUQoP21qT74-00257-00063398-00063634 reported favorably upon the Constitution EUQoP21qT74-00258-00063635-00063823 presented and Paul the third confirmed EUQoP21qT74-00259-00063824-00063988 the order through the bull regimen II EUQoP21qT74-00260-00063989-00064207 militant us ecclesia to the government EUQoP21qT74-00261-00064208-00064501 of the church militant on the 27th of EUQoP21qT74-00262-00064502-00064771 September 1540 this is the founding EUQoP21qT74-00263-00064772-00064992 document of the Society of Jesus as an EUQoP21qT74-00264-00064994-00065202 official Catholic religious order EUQoP21qT74-00265-00065203-00065413 Ignatius was chosen as the first EUQoP21qT74-00266-00065414-00065674 Superior General Paul the Third's Bull EUQoP21qT74-00267-00065675-00065848 had limited the number of its members to EUQoP21qT74-00268-00065849-00066154 60 this limitation was removed through EUQoP21qT74-00269-00066155-00066403 the bullocks posit mm of Julius the 3rd EUQoP21qT74-00270-00066404-00066763 in 1515 in fulfilling the mission of the EUQoP21qT74-00271-00066764-00067039 formula of the Institute of the society EUQoP21qT74-00272-00067040-00067342 the first Jesuits concentrated on a few EUQoP21qT74-00273-00067343-00067573 key activities first they founded EUQoP21qT74-00274-00067574-00067780 schools throughout Europe Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00275-00067781-00067960 teachers were trained in both classical EUQoP21qT74-00276-00067961-00068164 studies and theology and their schools EUQoP21qT74-00277-00068165-00068434 reflected this second they sent out EUQoP21qT74-00278-00068435-00068602 missionaries across the globe to EUQoP21qT74-00279-00068603-00068788 evangelize those peoples who had not yet EUQoP21qT74-00280-00068789-00068992 heard the gospel founding missions in EUQoP21qT74-00281-00068993-00069154 widely diverse regions such as EUQoP21qT74-00282-00069155-00069445 modern-day Paraguay Japan Ontario and EUQoP21qT74-00283-00069446-00069736 Ethiopia one of the original seven EUQoP21qT74-00284-00069737-00070126 arrived in India already in 1541 finally EUQoP21qT74-00285-00070127-00070276 though not initially formed for the EUQoP21qT74-00286-00070277-00070501 purpose they aim to stop Protestantism EUQoP21qT74-00287-00070502-00070681 from spreading and to preserve communion EUQoP21qT74-00288-00070682-00070855 with Rome and the successor of Saint EUQoP21qT74-00289-00070856-00071134 Peter the zeal of the Jesuits overcame EUQoP21qT74-00290-00071135-00071338 the movement toward Protestantism in the EUQoP21qT74-00291-00071339-00071518 Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth in EUQoP21qT74-00292-00071519-00071809 southern Germany Ignatius wrote the EUQoP21qT74-00293-00071810-00072106 Jesuit constitutions adopted in 1553 EUQoP21qT74-00294-00072107-00072310 which created a centralized organization EUQoP21qT74-00295-00072311-00072538 and stressed acceptance of any mission EUQoP21qT74-00296-00072539-00072739 to which the Pope might call them EUQoP21qT74-00297-00072740-00072940 his main principle became the unofficial EUQoP21qT74-00298-00072941-00073282 Jesuit motto admire M Dei gloriam for EUQoP21qT74-00299-00073283-00073597 the greater glory of God this phrase is EUQoP21qT74-00300-00073598-00073783 designed to reflect the idea that any EUQoP21qT74-00301-00073784-00073975 work that is not evil can be meritorious EUQoP21qT74-00302-00073976-00074158 for the spiritual life if it is EUQoP21qT74-00303-00074159-00074344 performed with this intention even EUQoP21qT74-00304-00074345-00074518 things normally considered of little EUQoP21qT74-00305-00074519-00074734 importance the Society of Jesus is EUQoP21qT74-00306-00074735-00074914 classified among Institute's as a EUQoP21qT74-00307-00074915-00075124 mendicant order of clerks regular that EUQoP21qT74-00308-00075125-00075328 is a body of priests organized for EUQoP21qT74-00309-00075329-00075523 apostolic work following a religious EUQoP21qT74-00310-00075524-00075757 rule and relying on arms or donations EUQoP21qT74-00311-00075758-00076192 for support the term Jesuit a 15th EUQoP21qT74-00312-00076193-00076399 century origin meaning one who used to EUQoP21qT74-00313-00076400-00076609 frequently are appropriated the name of EUQoP21qT74-00314-00076610-00076831 Jesus was first applied to the society EUQoP21qT74-00315-00076832-00076909 and reproach EUQoP21qT74-00316-00076910-00077296 15:44 252 the term was never used by EUQoP21qT74-00317-00077297-00077563 Ignatius of Loyola but over time members EUQoP21qT74-00318-00077564-00077758 and friends of the society adopted the EUQoP21qT74-00319-00077759-00078357 name with a positive meaning EUQoP21qT74-00320-00078358-00078872 topic early works EUQoP21qT74-00321-00078873-00079115 the Jesuits were founded just before the EUQoP21qT74-00322-00079116-00079222 Council of Trent EUQoP21qT74-00323-00079223-00079529 15:45 to 1563 an ensuing EUQoP21qT74-00324-00079530-00079703 counter-reformation that would introduce EUQoP21qT74-00325-00079704-00079913 reforms within the Catholic Church and EUQoP21qT74-00326-00079914-00080057 so countered the Protestant Reformation EUQoP21qT74-00327-00080058-00080402 throughout Catholic Europe Ignatius and EUQoP21qT74-00328-00080403-00080597 the early Jesuits did recognize though EUQoP21qT74-00329-00080598-00080798 that the hierarchical church was in dire EUQoP21qT74-00330-00080799-00081035 need of reform some of their greatest EUQoP21qT74-00331-00081036-00081191 struggles were against corruption EUQoP21qT74-00332-00081192-00081458 venality and spiritual lassitude within EUQoP21qT74-00333-00081459-00081758 the Catholic Church Ignatius insisted on EUQoP21qT74-00334-00081759-00081989 a high level of academic preparation for EUQoP21qT74-00335-00081990-00082190 the clergy in contrast to the relatively EUQoP21qT74-00336-00082191-00082400 poor education of much of the clergy of EUQoP21qT74-00337-00082401-00082679 his time and the Jesuit vow against EUQoP21qT74-00338-00082680-00082997 ambition increa sees can be seen as an EUQoP21qT74-00339-00082998-00083174 effort to counteract another problem EUQoP21qT74-00340-00083175-00083416 evidenced in the preceding century EUQoP21qT74-00341-00083417-00083648 Ignatius and the Jesuits who followed EUQoP21qT74-00342-00083649-00083789 him believed that the reform of the EUQoP21qT74-00343-00083790-00083963 church had to begin with the conversion EUQoP21qT74-00344-00083964-00084233 of an individual's heart one of the main EUQoP21qT74-00345-00084234-00084416 tools the Jesuits have used to bring EUQoP21qT74-00346-00084417-00084578 about this conversion as the Ignatian EUQoP21qT74-00347-00084579-00084829 retreat called the Spiritual Exercises EUQoP21qT74-00348-00084830-00085084 during a four-week period of silence EUQoP21qT74-00349-00085085-00085349 individuals undergo a series of directed EUQoP21qT74-00350-00085350-00085550 meditations on the purpose of life and EUQoP21qT74-00351-00085551-00085726 contemplations on the life of Christ EUQoP21qT74-00352-00085727-00085994 they meet regularly with a spiritual EUQoP21qT74-00353-00085995-00086150 director who guides their choice of EUQoP21qT74-00354-00086151-00086354 exercises and helps them to develop a EUQoP21qT74-00355-00086355-00086624 more discerning love for Christ the EUQoP21qT74-00356-00086625-00086882 retreat follows a purgative illuminative EUQoP21qT74-00357-00086883-00087125 unitive pattern in the tradition of the EUQoP21qT74-00358-00087126-00087341 spirituality of John Cassian and the EUQoP21qT74-00359-00087342-00087635 Desert Fathers Ignatius innovation was EUQoP21qT74-00360-00087636-00087797 to make this style of contemplative EUQoP21qT74-00361-00087798-00087995 mysticism available to all people in EUQoP21qT74-00362-00087996-00088265 active life further he used it as a EUQoP21qT74-00363-00088266-00088457 means of rebuilding the spiritual life EUQoP21qT74-00364-00088458-00088751 of the church the exercises became both EUQoP21qT74-00365-00088752-00088946 the basis for the training of Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00366-00088947-00089108 and one of the essential ministries of EUQoP21qT74-00367-00089109-00089324 the order giving the exercises to others EUQoP21qT74-00368-00089325-00089683 in what became known as retreats EUQoP21qT74-00369-00089684-00089890 the Jesuits contributions to the late EUQoP21qT74-00370-00089891-00090064 Renaissance were significant in their EUQoP21qT74-00371-00090065-00090268 roles both as a missionary Order and as EUQoP21qT74-00372-00090269-00090442 the first religious order to operate EUQoP21qT74-00373-00090443-00090685 colleges and universities as a principle EUQoP21qT74-00374-00090686-00090937 and distinct ministry by the time of EUQoP21qT74-00375-00090938-00091243 Ignatius death in 1556 the Jesuits were EUQoP21qT74-00376-00091244-00091474 already operating a network of 74 EUQoP21qT74-00377-00091475-00091759 colleges on three continents a precursor EUQoP21qT74-00378-00091760-00092011 to liberal education the Jesuit plan of EUQoP21qT74-00379-00092012-00092197 studies incorporated the classical EUQoP21qT74-00380-00092198-00092398 teachings of Renaissance humanism into EUQoP21qT74-00381-00092399-00092572 the Scholastic structure of Catholic EUQoP21qT74-00382-00092573-00092842 thought in addition to the teachings of EUQoP21qT74-00383-00092843-00093148 faith the Jesuit ratio studi orem 1599 EUQoP21qT74-00384-00093149-00093331 would standardize the study of Latin EUQoP21qT74-00385-00093332-00093601 Greek classical literature poetry and EUQoP21qT74-00386-00093602-00093807 philosophy as well as non-european EUQoP21qT74-00387-00093808-00094050 languages sciences and the arts EUQoP21qT74-00388-00094051-00094300 furthermore Jesuit schools encouraged EUQoP21qT74-00389-00094301-00094501 the study of vernacular literature and EUQoP21qT74-00390-00094502-00094690 rhetoric and thereby became important EUQoP21qT74-00391-00094691-00094870 centers for the training of lawyers and EUQoP21qT74-00392-00094871-00095161 public officials the Jesuit schools EUQoP21qT74-00393-00095162-00095356 played an important part in winning back EUQoP21qT74-00394-00095357-00095524 to Catholicism a number of European EUQoP21qT74-00395-00095525-00095737 countries which had for a time been EUQoP21qT74-00396-00095738-00095971 predominantly Protestant notably Poland EUQoP21qT74-00397-00095972-00096298 in Lithuania today Jesuit colleges and EUQoP21qT74-00398-00096299-00096538 universities are located in over 100 EUQoP21qT74-00399-00096539-00096766 nations around the world under the EUQoP21qT74-00400-00096767-00096928 notion that God can be encountered EUQoP21qT74-00401-00096929-00097107 through created things and especially EUQoP21qT74-00402-00097108-00097309 art they encourage the use of ceremony EUQoP21qT74-00403-00097310-00097519 and decoration in Catholic ritual and EUQoP21qT74-00404-00097520-00097771 devotion perhaps as a result of this EUQoP21qT74-00405-00097772-00097969 appreciation for art coupled with their EUQoP21qT74-00406-00097970-00098227 spiritual practice of finding God in all EUQoP21qT74-00407-00098228-00098532 things many early Jesuits distinguished EUQoP21qT74-00408-00098533-00098671 themselves in the visual and performing EUQoP21qT74-00409-00098672-00099004 arts as well as in music the theatre was EUQoP21qT74-00410-00099005-00099178 a form of expression especially EUQoP21qT74-00411-00099179-00099394 prominent in Jesuit schools Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00412-00099395-00099601 priests often acted as confessors to EUQoP21qT74-00413-00099602-00099780 Kings during the early modern period EUQoP21qT74-00414-00099781-00100024 they were an important force in the EUQoP21qT74-00415-00100025-00100210 Counter Reformation and in the Catholic EUQoP21qT74-00416-00100211-00100360 missions in part because their EUQoP21qT74-00417-00100361-00100537 relatively loose structure without the EUQoP21qT74-00418-00100538-00100735 requirements of living and celebration EUQoP21qT74-00419-00100736-00100906 of the Liturgy of hours in common EUQoP21qT74-00420-00100907-00101074 allowed them to be flexible and meet EUQoP21qT74-00421-00101075-00101721 diverse needs arising at the time EUQoP21qT74-00422-00101722-00102226 topic expansion EUQoP21qT74-00423-00102227-00102466 after much training and experience in EUQoP21qT74-00424-00102467-00102689 theology Jesuits went across the globe EUQoP21qT74-00425-00102690-00102904 in search of converts to Christianity EUQoP21qT74-00426-00102905-00103153 despite their dedication they had little EUQoP21qT74-00427-00103154-00103327 success in Asia except for the EUQoP21qT74-00428-00103328-00103615 Philippines for instance early missions EUQoP21qT74-00429-00103616-00103802 in Japan resulted in the government EUQoP21qT74-00430-00103803-00103976 granting the Jesuits the feudal fiefdom EUQoP21qT74-00431-00103977-00104341 of nagasaki in 1580 however this was EUQoP21qT74-00432-00104342-00104617 removed in 1587 due to fears over their EUQoP21qT74-00433-00104618-00104882 growing influence Jesuits did however EUQoP21qT74-00434-00104883-00105173 have much success in Latin America their EUQoP21qT74-00435-00105174-00105398 ascendancy in societies in the Americas EUQoP21qT74-00436-00105399-00105593 accelerated during the 17th century EUQoP21qT74-00437-00105594-00105848 wherein Jesuits created new missions in EUQoP21qT74-00438-00105849-00106110 Peru Colombia and Bolivia as early as EUQoP21qT74-00439-00106111-00106499 1603 there were 345 Jesuit priests in EUQoP21qT74-00440-00106500-00106757 Mexico alone Francis Xavier one of the EUQoP21qT74-00441-00106758-00106997 original companions of Loyola arrived in EUQoP21qT74-00442-00106998-00107306 Goa in Portuguese India in 1541 to EUQoP21qT74-00443-00107307-00107491 consider evangelical service in the EUQoP21qT74-00444-00107492-00107825 Indies in a 1545 letter to John the EUQoP21qT74-00445-00107826-00108023 third of Portugal he requested an EUQoP21qT74-00446-00108024-00108245 Inquisition to be installed in Goa see EUQoP21qT74-00447-00108246-00108340 Goa Inquisition EUQoP21qT74-00448-00108341-00108593 he died in China after a decade of EUQoP21qT74-00449-00108594-00108848 evangelism in southern India the EUQoP21qT74-00450-00108849-00109082 Portuguese Jesuit Antonio de Andrade EUQoP21qT74-00451-00109083-00109294 founded a mission in western Tibet in EUQoP21qT74-00452-00109295-00109660 1624 two Jesuit missionaries Johann EUQoP21qT74-00453-00109661-00109832 Gruber and Albert doraville reached EUQoP21qT74-00454-00109833-00110215 Lhasa in Tibet in 1661 the Italian EUQoP21qT74-00455-00110216-00110450 Jesuit Eppolito desert re-established a EUQoP21qT74-00456-00110451-00110672 new Jesuit mission in Lhasa and central EUQoP21qT74-00457-00110673-00110975 Tibet 17 16 to 21 and gained an EUQoP21qT74-00458-00110976-00111184 exceptional mastery of Tibetan language EUQoP21qT74-00459-00111185-00111377 and culture writing a long and very EUQoP21qT74-00460-00111378-00111563 detailed account of the country and its EUQoP21qT74-00461-00111564-00111778 religion as well as treatises in Tibetan EUQoP21qT74-00462-00111779-00111947 that attempted to refute key Buddhist EUQoP21qT74-00463-00111948-00112163 ideas and establish the truth of Roman EUQoP21qT74-00464-00112164-00112493 Catholic Christianity Jesuit missions in EUQoP21qT74-00465-00112494-00112714 America became controversial in Europe EUQoP21qT74-00466-00112715-00112933 especially in Spain and Portugal where EUQoP21qT74-00467-00112934-00113086 they were seen as interfering with the EUQoP21qT74-00468-00113088-00113294 proper colonial enterprises of the Royal EUQoP21qT74-00469-00113295-00113554 government's the Jesuits were often the EUQoP21qT74-00470-00113555-00113750 only force standing between the Native EUQoP21qT74-00471-00113751-00113996 Americans and slavery together EUQoP21qT74-00472-00113997-00114173 throughout South America but especially EUQoP21qT74-00473-00114174-00114443 in present-day Brazil and Paraguay they EUQoP21qT74-00474-00114444-00114634 formed Christian Native American city EUQoP21qT74-00475-00114635-00114833 states called reductions EUQoP21qT74-00476-00114833-00115100 these were societies set up according to EUQoP21qT74-00477-00115101-00115343 an idealized theocratic model the EUQoP21qT74-00478-00115344-00115591 efforts of Jesuits like Antonio Ruiz de EUQoP21qT74-00479-00115592-00115613 ma EUQoP21qT74-00480-00115614-00115766 toya to protect the natives from EUQoP21qT74-00481-00115767-00115922 enslavement by Spanish and Portuguese EUQoP21qT74-00482-00115923-00116158 colonizers would contribute to the call EUQoP21qT74-00483-00116159-00116432 for the society suppression Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00484-00116433-00116666 priests such as Manuel Donna Braga and EUQoP21qT74-00485-00116667-00116894 Jose de an kieta founded several towns EUQoP21qT74-00486-00116895-00117060 in Brazil in the sixteenth century EUQoP21qT74-00487-00117061-00117356 including South Paulo and Rio de Janeiro EUQoP21qT74-00488-00117357-00117535 and were very influential in the EUQoP21qT74-00489-00117536-00117752 pacification religious conversion and EUQoP21qT74-00490-00117753-00118031 education of Indian nations they also EUQoP21qT74-00491-00118032-00118265 built schools organized people into EUQoP21qT74-00492-00118266-00118475 villages and created a writing system EUQoP21qT74-00493-00118476-00118708 for the local languages of Brazil Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00494-00118709-00118883 scholars working in foreign missions EUQoP21qT74-00495-00118883-00119059 were very important in studying their EUQoP21qT74-00496-00119060-00119219 languages and strove to produce EUQoP21qT74-00497-00119220-00119410 latinized grammars and dictionaries EUQoP21qT74-00498-00119411-00119747 this included Japanese scene nipa G show EUQoP21qT74-00499-00119748-00120014 also known as vocab Florio da lingo a DI EUQoP21qT74-00500-00120015-00120251 upon vocabulary of the Japanese language EUQoP21qT74-00501-00120252-00120526 a Japanese Portuguese dictionary written EUQoP21qT74-00502-00120527-00120808 1603 Vietnamese Portuguese missionaries EUQoP21qT74-00503-00120809-00121049 created the Vietnamese alphabet which EUQoP21qT74-00504-00121050-00121232 was later formalized by Avignon EUQoP21qT74-00505-00121233-00121447 missionary Alexandre de Rhodes with his EUQoP21qT74-00506-00121448-00121769 1651 trilingual dictionary to P the main EUQoP21qT74-00507-00121770-00121964 language of Brazil and the pioneering EUQoP21qT74-00508-00121965-00122174 study of Sanskrit in the West by Jean EUQoP21qT74-00509-00122175-00122531 Francois pons in the 1740s under EUQoP21qT74-00510-00122532-00122750 Portuguese royal patronage Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00511-00122751-00122999 thrived in Goa and until 1759 EUQoP21qT74-00512-00123000-00123215 successfully expanded their activities EUQoP21qT74-00513-00123216-00123593 to education in health care in 1594 they EUQoP21qT74-00514-00123594-00123815 founded the first roman-style academic EUQoP21qT74-00515-00123816-00124007 institution in the East Saint Paul EUQoP21qT74-00516-00124008-00124349 Jesuit college in Macau China founded by EUQoP21qT74-00517-00124350-00124571 Alessandro Vallecano it had a great EUQoP21qT74-00518-00124572-00124739 influence on the learning of Eastern EUQoP21qT74-00519-00124740-00124952 languages Chinese and Japanese and EUQoP21qT74-00520-00124953-00125165 culture by missionary Jesuits becoming EUQoP21qT74-00521-00125166-00125369 home to the first Western psychologists EUQoP21qT74-00522-00125370-00125690 such as Matteo Ricci Jesuit efforts in EUQoP21qT74-00523-00125691-00125732 Goa EUQoP21qT74-00524-00125733-00125908 were interrupted by the expulsion of the EUQoP21qT74-00525-00125909-00126127 Jesuits from Portuguese territories in EUQoP21qT74-00526-00126128-00126433 1759 by the powerful Marquis of Pombal EUQoP21qT74-00527-00126434-00126683 secretary of state in Portugal Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00528-00126683-00126821 missionaries were active among EUQoP21qT74-00529-00126822-00127009 indigenous peoples in New France in EUQoP21qT74-00530-00127010-00127196 North America many of them compiling EUQoP21qT74-00531-00127197-00127400 dictionaries or glossary zuv the First EUQoP21qT74-00532-00127401-00127604 Nations and Native American languages EUQoP21qT74-00533-00127605-00127871 they had learned for instance before his EUQoP21qT74-00534-00127872-00128147 death in 1708 Jacques Gravier vicar EUQoP21qT74-00535-00128148-00128324 general of the Illinois mission in the EUQoP21qT74-00536-00128325-00128516 Mississippi River Valley compiled at EUQoP21qT74-00537-00128517-00128693 Kaskaskia Illinois French dictionary EUQoP21qT74-00538-00128694-00128908 considered the most extensive among EUQoP21qT74-00539-00128909-00128973 works of the EUQoP21qT74-00540-00128974-00129297 Nerys extensive documentation was left EUQoP21qT74-00541-00129298-00129485 in the form of the Jesuit relations EUQoP21qT74-00542-00129486-00130320 published annually from 1632 until 1673 EUQoP21qT74-00543-00130321-00130771 topic China EUQoP21qT74-00544-00130772-00131010 the Jesuits first entered China through EUQoP21qT74-00545-00131011-00131214 the Portuguese settlement on Macau where EUQoP21qT74-00546-00131215-00131400 they settled on green island and founded EUQoP21qT74-00547-00131401-00131698 st. Paul's College the Jesuit China EUQoP21qT74-00548-00131699-00131971 missions of the 16th and 17th centuries EUQoP21qT74-00549-00131972-00132153 introduced Western science and astronomy EUQoP21qT74-00550-00132154-00132399 then undergoing its own revolution to EUQoP21qT74-00551-00132400-00132682 China the Scientific Revolution brought EUQoP21qT74-00552-00132683-00132888 by the Jesuits coincided with a time EUQoP21qT74-00553-00132889-00133113 when scientific innovation had declined EUQoP21qT74-00554-00133114-00133420 in China the Jesuits made efforts to EUQoP21qT74-00555-00133421-00133621 translate Western mathematical and EUQoP21qT74-00556-00133622-00133827 astronomical works into Chinese and EUQoP21qT74-00557-00133828-00134020 aroused the interest of Chinese scholars EUQoP21qT74-00558-00134021-00134245 in these sciences they made very EUQoP21qT74-00559-00134246-00134487 extensive astronomical observation and EUQoP21qT74-00560-00134488-00134613 carried out the first modern EUQoP21qT74-00561-00134614-00134884 cartographic work in China they also EUQoP21qT74-00562-00134885-00135078 learned to appreciate the scientific EUQoP21qT74-00563-00135079-00135252 achievements of this ancient culture and EUQoP21qT74-00564-00135253-00135481 made them known in Europe through their EUQoP21qT74-00565-00135482-00135706 correspondence european scientists first EUQoP21qT74-00566-00135707-00135883 learned about the chinese science and EUQoP21qT74-00567-00135884-00136147 culture for over a century EUQoP21qT74-00568-00136148-00136381 Jesuits like Michelle Ruggieri Matteo EUQoP21qT74-00569-00136382-00136618 Ricci Phillipe couplet Mahal boy and EUQoP21qT74-00570-00136619-00136882 Francoise Noel refined translations and EUQoP21qT74-00571-00136883-00137091 disseminated Chinese knowledge culture EUQoP21qT74-00572-00137092-00137386 history and philosophy to Europe their EUQoP21qT74-00573-00137387-00137574 Latin works popularized the name EUQoP21qT74-00574-00137575-00137857 Confucius and had considerable influence EUQoP21qT74-00575-00137858-00138070 on the deists and other Enlightenment EUQoP21qT74-00576-00138071-00138244 thinkers some of whom were intrigued by EUQoP21qT74-00577-00138245-00138424 the Jesuits attempts to reconcile EUQoP21qT74-00578-00138425-00138673 Confucian morality with Catholicism upon EUQoP21qT74-00579-00138674-00138861 the arrival of the Franciscans and other EUQoP21qT74-00580-00138862-00139111 monastic orders Jesuit accommodation of EUQoP21qT74-00581-00139112-00139314 Chinese culture and rituals led to the EUQoP21qT74-00582-00139315-00139519 long-running Chinese rites controversy EUQoP21qT74-00583-00139520-00139788 despite the personal testimony of the EUQoP21qT74-00584-00139789-00140011 Kang Zi Emperor and many Jesuit converts EUQoP21qT74-00585-00140012-00140245 that Chinese veneration of ancestors in EUQoP21qT74-00586-00140246-00140451 Confucius was a non religious token of EUQoP21qT74-00587-00140452-00140751 respect pope clement xi papal decree EUQoP21qT74-00588-00140752-00141123 deus Optimus ruled that such behavior EUQoP21qT74-00589-00141124-00141343 constituted impermissible forms of EUQoP21qT74-00590-00141344-00141658 idolatry and superstition in 1704 his EUQoP21qT74-00591-00141659-00141823 Leggett tour nun and the Bishop of EUQoP21qT74-00592-00141824-00142006 Fujian tasked with presenting this EUQoP21qT74-00593-00142007-00142203 finding to the Kang Zi Emperor displayed EUQoP21qT74-00594-00142204-00142396 such extreme ignorant that the Emperor EUQoP21qT74-00595-00142397-00142573 mandated the expulsion of Christian EUQoP21qT74-00596-00142574-00142740 missionaries unable to abide by the EUQoP21qT74-00597-00142741-00143044 terms of Ricci's Chinese catechism torn EUQoP21qT74-00598-00143045-00143224 on summary and automatic excommunication EUQoP21qT74-00599-00143225-00143494 for any violators of Clements decree EUQoP21qT74-00600-00143495-00143972 upheld by the 1715 bull ex illud I EUQoP21qT74-00601-00143973-00144182 led to the Swift collapse of all the EUQoP21qT74-00602-00144183-00144388 missions in China the last Jesuits were EUQoP21qT74-00603-00144389-00145083 finally expelled after 1721 EUQoP21qT74-00604-00145084-00145531 topic Canada EUQoP21qT74-00605-00145532-00145771 during the French colonization of new EUQoP21qT74-00606-00145772-00146008 France in the 17th century Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00607-00146009-00146206 played an active role in north america EUQoP21qT74-00608-00146207-00146500 when samuel de champlain established the EUQoP21qT74-00609-00146501-00146677 foundations of the french colony at EUQoP21qT74-00610-00146678-00146896 quebec he was aware of native tribes who EUQoP21qT74-00611-00146897-00147067 possessed their own languages customs EUQoP21qT74-00612-00147068-00147334 and traditions these natives that EUQoP21qT74-00613-00147335-00147607 inhabited modern-day Ontario Quebec and EUQoP21qT74-00614-00147608-00147784 the areas around Lake Simcoe and EUQoP21qT74-00615-00147785-00147958 Georgian Bay were the Montaigne a the EUQoP21qT74-00616-00147959-00148237 Algonquin and the Huron Champlain EUQoP21qT74-00617-00148238-00148393 believed that these had souls to be EUQoP21qT74-00618-00148394-00148696 saved so in 1614 he initially obtained EUQoP21qT74-00619-00148697-00148894 the recollects a reformed branch of the EUQoP21qT74-00620-00148895-00149095 Franciscans in France to convert the EUQoP21qT74-00621-00149096-00149440 native inhabitants in 1624 the French EUQoP21qT74-00622-00149441-00149632 recollects realized the magnitude of EUQoP21qT74-00623-00149633-00149836 their task and send a delegate to France EUQoP21qT74-00624-00149837-00150052 to invite the Society of Jesus to help EUQoP21qT74-00625-00150053-00150289 with this mission the invitation was EUQoP21qT74-00626-00150290-00150508 accepted and Jesuits Jean Dubreuil buff EUQoP21qT74-00627-00150509-00150730 annamund Mass and Charles layman arrived EUQoP21qT74-00628-00150731-00151111 in Quebec in 1625 Leyland is considered EUQoP21qT74-00629-00151112-00151276 to have been the first author of one of EUQoP21qT74-00630-00151277-00151495 the Jesuit relations of New France which EUQoP21qT74-00631-00151496-00151687 chronicled their evangelization during EUQoP21qT74-00632-00151688-00152014 the 17th century the Jesuits became EUQoP21qT74-00633-00152015-00152284 involved in the Huron mission in 1626 EUQoP21qT74-00634-00152285-00152560 and lived among the Huron people's brave EUQoP21qT74-00635-00152561-00152731 a'f learned the native language and EUQoP21qT74-00636-00152732-00152860 created the first Huron language EUQoP21qT74-00637-00152861-00153199 dictionary outside conflict forced the EUQoP21qT74-00638-00153200-00153496 Jesuits to leave New France in 1629 when EUQoP21qT74-00639-00153497-00153700 Quebec was captured by the Kirk brothers EUQoP21qT74-00640-00153701-00154003 under the English flag but in 1632 EUQoP21qT74-00641-00154004-00154231 Quebec was returned to the French under EUQoP21qT74-00642-00154232-00154432 the Treaty of Saint German and lay and EUQoP21qT74-00643-00154433-00154645 the Jesuits returned to Huron territory EUQoP21qT74-00644-00154646-00154978 modern Huronia in 1639 jesuit jerome EUQoP21qT74-00645-00154979-00155167 whalemen decided that the missionaries EUQoP21qT74-00646-00155168-00155314 among the Hurons needed a local EUQoP21qT74-00647-00155315-00155503 residence and established Saint Marie EUQoP21qT74-00648-00155504-00155737 which expanded into a living replica of EUQoP21qT74-00649-00155738-00156028 European society it became the Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00650-00156029-00156208 headquarters in an important part of EUQoP21qT74-00651-00156209-00156484 Canadian history throughout most of the EUQoP21qT74-00652-00156485-00156739 1640s the Jesuits had great success EUQoP21qT74-00653-00156740-00156994 establishing five chapels in Huronia and EUQoP21qT74-00654-00156995-00157254 baptizing over 1,000 Huron natives EUQoP21qT74-00655-00157255-00157552 however as the Jesuits began to expand EUQoP21qT74-00656-00157553-00157747 westward they encountered more Iroquois EUQoP21qT74-00657-00157748-00157996 natives rivals of the Hurons the EUQoP21qT74-00658-00157997-00158176 Iroquois grew jealous of the Hurons EUQoP21qT74-00659-00158177-00158383 wealth and fur trade system began to EUQoP21qT74-00660-00158384-00158644 attack Huron villages in 1648 EUQoP21qT74-00661-00158645-00158857 they killed missionaries and burnt EUQoP21qT74-00662-00158858-00158926 villages EUQoP21qT74-00663-00158927-00159127 and the her and scattered both Jean EUQoP21qT74-00664-00159128-00159316 Dubreuil buff and Gabriel ailment were EUQoP21qT74-00665-00159317-00159487 tortured and killed in the Iroquois EUQoP21qT74-00666-00159488-00159652 raids they have been canonized as EUQoP21qT74-00667-00159653-00159892 martyrs in the Catholic Church with the EUQoP21qT74-00668-00159893-00160090 knowledge of the invading Iroquois the EUQoP21qT74-00669-00160091-00160300 jesuit paul ragueneau burned down Saint EUQoP21qT74-00670-00160301-00160483 Marie instead of allowing the Iroquois EUQoP21qT74-00671-00160484-00160747 the satisfaction of destroying it by EUQoP21qT74-00672-00160748-00161026 late June 1649 the French and some EUQoP21qT74-00673-00161027-00161248 Christian Hurons built Saint Marie - on EUQoP21qT74-00674-00161249-00161469 Christian island Isle de st. Joseph EUQoP21qT74-00675-00161470-00161755 however facing starvation lack of EUQoP21qT74-00676-00161756-00161935 supplies and constant threats of EUQoP21qT74-00677-00161936-00162166 Iroquois attack the small st. Marie - EUQoP21qT74-00678-00162167-00162457 was abandoned in June 1650 the remaining EUQoP21qT74-00679-00162458-00162661 Hurons and Jesuits departed for Quebec EUQoP21qT74-00680-00162662-00162952 and Ottawa after a series of epidemics EUQoP21qT74-00681-00162953-00163243 beginning in 1630 for some Huron began EUQoP21qT74-00682-00163244-00163441 to mistrust the Jesuits and accused them EUQoP21qT74-00683-00163442-00163642 of being sorcerers casting spells from EUQoP21qT74-00684-00163643-00163912 their books as a result of the Iroquois EUQoP21qT74-00685-00163913-00164113 raids an outbreak of disease many EUQoP21qT74-00686-00164114-00164337 missionaries traders and soldiers died EUQoP21qT74-00687-00164338-00164653 today the Huron tribe also known as the EUQoP21qT74-00688-00164654-00164872 Wyandotte of a First Nations reserve in EUQoP21qT74-00689-00164873-00165049 Quebec Canada and three major EUQoP21qT74-00690-00165050-00165244 settlements in the United States after EUQoP21qT74-00691-00165245-00165451 the collapse of the Huron nation the EUQoP21qT74-00692-00165452-00165637 Jesuits were to undertake the task of EUQoP21qT74-00693-00165638-00165820 converting the Iroquois something they EUQoP21qT74-00694-00165821-00166060 had attempted in 1642 with little EUQoP21qT74-00695-00166061-00166453 success in 1653 the Iroquois nation had EUQoP21qT74-00696-00166454-00166678 a fallout with the Dutch they then EUQoP21qT74-00697-00166679-00166840 signed a peace treaty with the French EUQoP21qT74-00698-00166841-00167068 and a mission was established the EUQoP21qT74-00699-00167069-00167254 Iroquois took the treaty lightly and EUQoP21qT74-00700-00167255-00167584 soon turned on the French again in 1658 EUQoP21qT74-00701-00167585-00167770 the Jesuits were having very little EUQoP21qT74-00702-00167771-00167956 success and were under constant threat EUQoP21qT74-00703-00167957-00168142 of being tortured or killed but EUQoP21qT74-00704-00168143-00168406 continued their effort until 1687 when EUQoP21qT74-00705-00168407-00168589 they abandoned their permanent posts in EUQoP21qT74-00706-00168590-00168880 the Iroquois homeland by 1700 Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00707-00168881-00169051 turned to maintaining Quebec Montreal EUQoP21qT74-00708-00169052-00169276 and Ottawa without establishing new EUQoP21qT74-00709-00169277-00169540 posts during the Seven Years War EUQoP21qT74-00710-00169541-00169843 Quebec fell to the English in 1759 and EUQoP21qT74-00711-00169844-00170013 knew France was under British control EUQoP21qT74-00712-00170014-00170263 the English barred the emigration of EUQoP21qT74-00713-00170264-00170638 more Jesuits to new France by 1763 there EUQoP21qT74-00714-00170639-00170839 were only twenty-one Jesuits stationed EUQoP21qT74-00715-00170840-00171214 in new friends by 1773 only eleven EUQoP21qT74-00716-00171215-00171448 Jesuits remained during the same year EUQoP21qT74-00717-00171449-00171640 the English crown laid claim to New EUQoP21qT74-00718-00171641-00171832 France and declared that the Society of EUQoP21qT74-00719-00171833-00172054 Jesus in new France was dissolved the EUQoP21qT74-00720-00172055-00172246 dissolution of the order left in place EUQoP21qT74-00721-00172247-00172324 substan EUQoP21qT74-00722-00172325-00172539 estates and investments amounting to an EUQoP21qT74-00723-00172540-00172752 income of approximately five thousand EUQoP21qT74-00724-00172753-00172927 pounds a year and the council for the EUQoP21qT74-00725-00172928-00173127 affairs of the province of Quebec later EUQoP21qT74-00726-00173128-00173340 succeeded by the Legislative Assembly of EUQoP21qT74-00727-00173341-00173563 Quebec assumed the task of allocating EUQoP21qT74-00728-00173564-00173782 the funds to suitable recipients chiefly EUQoP21qT74-00729-00173783-00174019 schools the Jesuit mission in Quebec was EUQoP21qT74-00730-00174020-00174327 re-established in 1842 there were a EUQoP21qT74-00731-00174328-00174552 number of Jesuit colleges founded in the EUQoP21qT74-00732-00174553-00174757 decades following one of these colleges EUQoP21qT74-00733-00174758-00174919 evolved into present-day Laval EUQoP21qT74-00734-00174920-00175443 University EUQoP21qT74-00735-00175444-00175979 topic United States EUQoP21qT74-00736-00175980-00176270 you EUQoP21qT74-00737-00176271-00176750 topic Mexico EUQoP21qT74-00738-00176751-00176990 the Jesuits in New Spain distinguished EUQoP21qT74-00739-00176991-00177230 themselves in several ways they had high EUQoP21qT74-00740-00177231-00177422 standards for acceptance to the order EUQoP21qT74-00741-00177423-00177626 and many years of training they EUQoP21qT74-00742-00177627-00177788 attracted the patronage of elite EUQoP21qT74-00743-00177789-00177983 families whose sons they educated in EUQoP21qT74-00744-00177984-00178216 rigorous newly founded Jesuit collegial EUQoP21qT74-00745-00178217-00178589 colleges including Colegio de San Pedro EUQoP21qT74-00746-00178590-00178892 Y San Pablo Colegio de san ildefonso EUQoP21qT74-00747-00178893-00179111 and the colegio de san francisco javier EUQoP21qT74-00748-00179112-00179435 Tepes olan those same elite families EUQoP21qT74-00749-00179436-00179615 hoped that a son with a vocation to the EUQoP21qT74-00750-00179616-00179857 priesthood would be accepted as a Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00751-00179858-00180067 Jesuits were also zealous in EUQoP21qT74-00752-00180068-00180232 evangelization of the indigenous EUQoP21qT74-00753-00180233-00180472 particularly on the northern frontières EUQoP21qT74-00754-00180473-00180752 to support their collegio z' and members EUQoP21qT74-00755-00180753-00180968 of the Society of Jesus the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00756-00180969-00181145 acquired landed estates that were run EUQoP21qT74-00757-00181146-00181331 with the best practices for generating EUQoP21qT74-00758-00181332-00181580 income in that era a number of these EUQoP21qT74-00759-00181581-00181814 haciendas were donated by wealthy elites EUQoP21qT74-00760-00181815-00182042 the donation of the Hacienda to the EUQoP21qT74-00761-00182043-00182219 Jesuits was the spark igniting a EUQoP21qT74-00762-00182220-00182477 conflict between 17th century Bishop of EUQoP21qT74-00763-00182478-00182687 Puebla Don Juan de Palafox and the EUQoP21qT74-00764-00182688-00182972 Jesuit Colegio in that city since the EUQoP21qT74-00765-00182973-00183152 Jesuits resisted paying the tide on EUQoP21qT74-00766-00183153-00183383 their estates this donation effectively EUQoP21qT74-00767-00183384-00183515 took revenue out of the church EUQoP21qT74-00768-00183516-00183719 hierarchies pockets by removing it from EUQoP21qT74-00769-00183720-00183983 the tide rolls many of Jesuit haciendas EUQoP21qT74-00770-00183984-00184196 were huge with Palafox asserting that EUQoP21qT74-00771-00184197-00184448 just two college's own 300 thousand head EUQoP21qT74-00772-00184449-00184628 of sheep whose wool was transformed EUQoP21qT74-00773-00184629-00184856 locally in Puebla to cloth six sugar EUQoP21qT74-00774-00184857-00185081 plantations worth a million pesos and EUQoP21qT74-00775-00185082-00185336 generating an income of 100,000 pesos EUQoP21qT74-00776-00185337-00185642 the immense jesuit Hacienda of santa EUQoP21qT74-00777-00185643-00185843 lucia produced pulp the fermented juice EUQoP21qT74-00778-00185844-00186095 of the agave cactus whose main consumers EUQoP21qT74-00779-00186096-00186281 were the lower classes and Indians in EUQoP21qT74-00780-00186282-00186578 Spanish cities although most haciendas EUQoP21qT74-00781-00186579-00186785 had a free workforce of permanent or EUQoP21qT74-00782-00186786-00187022 seasonal laborers the jesuit haciendas EUQoP21qT74-00783-00187023-00187220 in mexico had a significant number of EUQoP21qT74-00784-00187221-00187319 black slaves EUQoP21qT74-00785-00187320-00187529 the Jesuits operated their properties as EUQoP21qT74-00786-00187530-00187697 an integrated unit with the larger EUQoP21qT74-00787-00187698-00187787 Jesuit Order EUQoP21qT74-00788-00187788-00187982 thus revenues from haciendas funded EUQoP21qT74-00789-00187983-00188213 their collegiate Jesuits did EUQoP21qT74-00790-00188214-00188399 significantly expand missions to the EUQoP21qT74-00791-00188400-00188609 indigenous in the northern frontier area EUQoP21qT74-00792-00188610-00188789 and a number were martyred but the crown EUQoP21qT74-00793-00188790-00189038 supported those missions mendicant EUQoP21qT74-00794-00189039-00189233 orders that had real estate were less EUQoP21qT74-00795-00189234-00189428 economically integrated so that some EUQoP21qT74-00796-00189429-00189608 individual houses were wealthy while EUQoP21qT74-00797-00189609-00189839 others struggled economically the EUQoP21qT74-00798-00189840-00190052 Franciscans who were founded as an order EUQoP21qT74-00799-00190053-00190133 embracing EUQoP21qT74-00800-00190134-00190343 poverty did not accumulate real estate EUQoP21qT74-00801-00190344-00190535 unlike the Augustinians and Dominicans EUQoP21qT74-00802-00190536-00190624 in Mexico EUQoP21qT74-00803-00190625-00190922 the Jesuits engaged in conflict with the EUQoP21qT74-00804-00190923-00191144 Episcopal hierarchy over the question of EUQoP21qT74-00805-00191145-00191378 payment of tithes the ten percent tax on EUQoP21qT74-00806-00191379-00191609 agriculture levied on landed estates for EUQoP21qT74-00807-00191610-00191777 support of the church hierarchy from EUQoP21qT74-00808-00191778-00191993 bishops and Cathedral chapters to parish EUQoP21qT74-00809-00191994-00192251 priests since the Jesuits were the EUQoP21qT74-00810-00192252-00192446 largest religious order holding real EUQoP21qT74-00811-00192447-00192653 estate surpassing the Dominicans and EUQoP21qT74-00812-00192654-00192824 Augustinians who had accumulated EUQoP21qT74-00813-00192825-00193016 significant property this was no small EUQoP21qT74-00814-00193017-00193295 matter they argued that they were exempt EUQoP21qT74-00815-00193296-00193520 due to special pontifical privileges in EUQoP21qT74-00816-00193521-00193847 the mid 17th century bishop of puebla EUQoP21qT74-00817-00193848-00194096 Don Juan de Palafox took on the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00818-00194097-00194267 over this matter and was so soundly EUQoP21qT74-00819-00194268-00194450 defeated that he was recalled to Spain EUQoP21qT74-00820-00194451-00194627 where he became the bishop of the minor EUQoP21qT74-00821-00194628-00194939 Diocese of ozma as elsewhere in the EUQoP21qT74-00822-00194940-00195164 Spanish Empire the Jesuits were expelled EUQoP21qT74-00823-00195165-00195560 from Mexico in 1767 their haciendas were EUQoP21qT74-00824-00195561-00195737 sold off and their collegio Xand EUQoP21qT74-00825-00195738-00195953 missions in Baja California were taken EUQoP21qT74-00826-00195954-00196280 over by other orders exiled Mexican born EUQoP21qT74-00827-00196281-00196562 jesuit francisco javier Clavijo wrote an EUQoP21qT74-00828-00196563-00196760 important history of Mexico while in EUQoP21qT74-00829-00196761-00197005 Italy a basis for Creole patriotism EUQoP21qT74-00830-00197006-00197279 andres Calvo also wrote an important EUQoP21qT74-00831-00197280-00197486 text on mexican history that Carlos EUQoP21qT74-00832-00197487-00197690 Maria de Bustamante published in the EUQoP21qT74-00833-00197691-00198017 early 19th century an earlier Jesuit who EUQoP21qT74-00834-00198018-00198212 wrote about the history of Mexico was EUQoP21qT74-00835-00198213-00198599 diego luis de moda zuma 1619 to 99 a EUQoP21qT74-00836-00198600-00198788 descendant of the aztec monarchs of EUQoP21qT74-00837-00198789-00198883 Tenochtitlan EUQoP21qT74-00838-00198884-00199208 Mota's umas corona mexicana o historia EUQoP21qT74-00839-00199209-00199439 de las nueve moto Zuma's was completed EUQoP21qT74-00840-00199440-00199850 in 1696 he aimed to show that Mexican EUQoP21qT74-00841-00199851-00200075 emperors were a legitimate dynasty in EUQoP21qT74-00842-00200076-00200368 the 17th century in the European sense EUQoP21qT74-00843-00200369-00200615 the Jesuits were allowed to return to EUQoP21qT74-00844-00200616-00200900 Mexico in 1840 when general Antonio EUQoP21qT74-00845-00200901-00201110 Lopez de Santa Ana was once more EUQoP21qT74-00846-00201111-00201368 president of Mexico their reintroduction EUQoP21qT74-00847-00201369-00201647 to Mexico was to assist in the education EUQoP21qT74-00848-00201648-00201821 of the poorer classes and much of their EUQoP21qT74-00849-00201822-00202409 property was restored to them EUQoP21qT74-00850-00202410-00202975 topic northern Spanish America EUQoP21qT74-00851-00202976-00203197 the Jesuits arrived in the Viceroyalty EUQoP21qT74-00852-00203198-00203548 of Peru by 1571 it was a key area of EUQoP21qT74-00853-00203549-00203749 Spanish Empire with not only dense EUQoP21qT74-00854-00203750-00203977 indigenous populations but also huge EUQoP21qT74-00855-00203978-00204271 deposits of silver at potosi a major EUQoP21qT74-00856-00204272-00204499 figure in the first wave of Jesuits was EUQoP21qT74-00857-00204500-00204871 Jose Costa 1542 1600 whose book EUQoP21qT74-00858-00204871-00205146 historian natural y Morel de las indias EUQoP21qT74-00859-00205148-00205411 1590 introduced Europeans to Spain's EUQoP21qT74-00860-00205412-00205666 American Empire via fluid prose and keen EUQoP21qT74-00861-00205667-00205933 observation and explanation based on 15 EUQoP21qT74-00862-00205934-00206128 years in Peru and a bit of time in New EUQoP21qT74-00863-00206129-00206458 Spain Mexico Viceroy of Peru Don EUQoP21qT74-00864-00206459-00206692 Francisco de Toledo urged the Jesuits to EUQoP21qT74-00865-00206692-00206892 evangelize the indigenous peoples of EUQoP21qT74-00866-00206894-00207082 Peru wanting to put them in charge of EUQoP21qT74-00867-00207083-00207289 parishes but Acosta adhered to the EUQoP21qT74-00868-00207290-00207442 Jesuit position that they were not EUQoP21qT74-00869-00207442-00207648 subject to the jurisdiction of bishops EUQoP21qT74-00870-00207650-00207841 and de catechized in Indian parishes EUQoP21qT74-00871-00207842-00207994 would bring them into conflict with the EUQoP21qT74-00872-00207994-00208282 bishops for that reason the Jesuits in EUQoP21qT74-00873-00208283-00208521 Peru focused on education of elite men EUQoP21qT74-00874-00208523-00208723 rather than the indigenous populations EUQoP21qT74-00875-00208723-00208930 to minister to newly arrived African EUQoP21qT74-00876-00208931-00209383 slaves alonso de sandoval 1576 to 1651 EUQoP21qT74-00877-00209384-00209554 worked at the port of Cartagena de EUQoP21qT74-00878-00209555-00209803 Indias Sandoval wrote about this EUQoP21qT74-00879-00209804-00210054 ministry into Instron to Ethiopia salute EUQoP21qT74-00880-00210055-00210301 16:27 describing how he and his EUQoP21qT74-00881-00210302-00210546 assistant pedro claver later canonized EUQoP21qT74-00882-00210548-00210784 met slave transport ships in the harbor EUQoP21qT74-00883-00210785-00211071 went below decks where 300 to 600 slaves EUQoP21qT74-00884-00211073-00211279 were chained and gave physical aid with EUQoP21qT74-00885-00211280-00211483 water while introducing the Africans to EUQoP21qT74-00886-00211484-00211765 Christianity in his treatise he did not EUQoP21qT74-00887-00211766-00211975 condemn slavery or the ill treatment of EUQoP21qT74-00888-00211976-00212158 slaves but sought to instruct fellow EUQoP21qT74-00889-00212159-00212367 Jesuits to this ministry and described EUQoP21qT74-00890-00212369-00212592 how he catechized the slaves Rafael EUQoP21qT74-00891-00212594-00212821 Ferrer was the first Jesuit of Quito to EUQoP21qT74-00892-00212821-00213019 explore and found missions in the upper EUQoP21qT74-00893-00213019-00213229 Amazon regions of South America from EUQoP21qT74-00894-00213230-00213529 1602 to 1610 which belonged to the EUQoP21qT74-00895-00213530-00213754 audience iya high court of Quito that EUQoP21qT74-00896-00213755-00213931 was a part of the Viceroyalty of Peru EUQoP21qT74-00897-00213932-00214108 until it was transferred to the newly EUQoP21qT74-00898-00214109-00214346 created Viceroyalty of New Granada in EUQoP21qT74-00899-00214348-00214794 1717 in 1602 Ferrer began to explore the EUQoP21qT74-00900-00214796-00215067 aguar eco Napa and Marin young rivers su EUQoP21qT74-00901-00215069-00215292 cambios region in what is today Ecuador EUQoP21qT74-00902-00215294-00215665 and Peru and between 1604 and 1605 set EUQoP21qT74-00903-00215666-00215932 up missions among the cofĂ¡n natives he EUQoP21qT74-00904-00215933-00216117 was martyred by an apostate native in EUQoP21qT74-00905-00216119-00216276 1610 EUQoP21qT74-00906-00216277-00216582 in 1639 the audience iya of quito EUQoP21qT74-00907-00216583-00216783 organized an expedition to renew its EUQoP21qT74-00908-00216784-00216998 exploration of the Amazon River and the EUQoP21qT74-00909-00217000-00217206 Quito Jesuits Jesuit Aquitaine yo EUQoP21qT74-00910-00217207-00217413 Cristobal da Cunha was a part of this EUQoP21qT74-00911-00217414-00217496 expedition EUQoP21qT74-00912-00217498-00217764 the expedition disembarked from the Napa EUQoP21qT74-00913-00217765-00218069 River the 16th of February 16 39 and EUQoP21qT74-00914-00218071-00218280 arrived in what is today para Brazil on EUQoP21qT74-00915-00218281-00218444 the banks of the Amazon River on the EUQoP21qT74-00916-00218446-00218925 12th of December 16 39 in 1641 a Cunha EUQoP21qT74-00917-00218926-00219105 published in Madrid a memoir of his EUQoP21qT74-00918-00219106-00219339 expedition to the Amazon River entitled EUQoP21qT74-00919-00219340-00219642 nuevo descubrimiento del gran Rio de las EUQoP21qT74-00920-00219642-00219888 Amazonas which for academics became a EUQoP21qT74-00921-00219889-00220071 fundamental reference on the amazon EUQoP21qT74-00922-00220071-00220482 region in 1637 the Jesuits Gaspard EUQoP21qT74-00923-00220483-00220734 Cuccia and lucas de la cueva from Quito EUQoP21qT74-00924-00220735-00220938 began establishing missions in maina's EUQoP21qT74-00925-00220939-00221139 territories on the banks of the Marian EUQoP21qT74-00926-00221140-00221340 River around the Pongo de man series EUQoP21qT74-00927-00221341-00221541 region close to the Spanish settlement EUQoP21qT74-00928-00221542-00222000 of Borja between 1637 and 1652 there EUQoP21qT74-00929-00222001-00222219 were 14 missions established along the EUQoP21qT74-00930-00222219-00222351 Marin Yan River and its southern EUQoP21qT74-00931-00222352-00222569 tributaries the wallaga in the Ucayali EUQoP21qT74-00932-00222571-00222896 rivers jesuit lucas de la cueva and EUQoP21qT74-00933-00222898-00223125 Raimundo de santa cruz opened up two new EUQoP21qT74-00934-00223126-00223305 routes of communication with Quito EUQoP21qT74-00935-00223306-00223517 through the pastas and napa river's EUQoP21qT74-00936-00223517-00223989 between 1637 and 1715 samuel fritz EUQoP21qT74-00937-00223990-00224208 founded 38 missions along the length of EUQoP21qT74-00938-00224209-00224412 the Amazon River between the Napo and EUQoP21qT74-00939-00224413-00224567 Negro rivers that were called the O EUQoP21qT74-00940-00224569-00224805 Magua missions these missions were EUQoP21qT74-00941-00224806-00225003 continually attacked by the Brazilian EUQoP21qT74-00942-00225004-00225264 ban Durant's beginning in the year 1705 EUQoP21qT74-00943-00225265-00225644 in 1768 the only Omigawa mission that EUQoP21qT74-00944-00225646-00225864 was left was San Joaquin de Umaga's EUQoP21qT74-00945-00225865-00226017 since it had been moved to a new EUQoP21qT74-00946-00226017-00226227 location on the Napo River away from the EUQoP21qT74-00947-00226228-00226466 band Durant EUQoP21qT74-00948-00226467-00226678 in the immense territory of Maness the EUQoP21qT74-00949-00226679-00226877 jesuits of Quito made contact with a EUQoP21qT74-00950-00226878-00227080 number of indigenous tribes which spoke EUQoP21qT74-00951-00227081-00227294 40 different languages and founded a EUQoP21qT74-00952-00227294-00227560 total of 173 Jesuit missions EUQoP21qT74-00953-00227561-00227839 encompassing 150 thousand inhabitants EUQoP21qT74-00954-00227840-00228071 because of the constant epidemics EUQoP21qT74-00955-00228071-00228307 smallpox and measles and warfare with EUQoP21qT74-00956-00228308-00228496 other tribes and the ban Durant's the EUQoP21qT74-00957-00228498-00228673 total number of Jesuit missions were EUQoP21qT74-00958-00228675-00229048 reduced to 40 by 1744 at the time when EUQoP21qT74-00959-00229050-00229238 the Jesuits were expelled from Spanish EUQoP21qT74-00960-00229239-00229562 America in 1767 the Jesuits of Quito EUQoP21qT74-00961-00229563-00229901 registered 36 missions run by 25 Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00962-00229902-00230131 of Quito in the audience iya of Quito 6 EUQoP21qT74-00963-00230132-00230332 in the Napo and aguar eco missions and EUQoP21qT74-00964-00230333-00230569 19 in the pastas and nikitos missions EUQoP21qT74-00965-00230571-00230762 with the population at 20,000 EUQoP21qT74-00966-00230763-00231279 inhabitants EUQoP21qT74-00967-00231280-00231748 topic Paraguay EUQoP21qT74-00968-00231750-00232079 the first Jesuits arrived in 1588 and in EUQoP21qT74-00969-00232080-00232313 1610 Philip the third proclaimed that EUQoP21qT74-00970-00232314-00232601 only the sort of the word should be used EUQoP21qT74-00971-00232602-00232792 to subdue Paraguayan Indians mostly EUQoP21qT74-00972-00232794-00233057 Guarani the church granted Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-00973-00233058-00233216 extensive powers to phase out the EUQoP21qT74-00974-00233217-00233410 encomienda system of forced labour EUQoP21qT74-00975-00233411-00233596 angering settlers dependant on a EUQoP21qT74-00976-00233598-00233804 continuing supply of Indian labor and EUQoP21qT74-00977-00233805-00234104 concubines the first Jesuit mission in EUQoP21qT74-00978-00234105-00234302 the Paraguay area which encompassed the EUQoP21qT74-00979-00234303-00234544 border regions of Paraguay Argentina and EUQoP21qT74-00980-00234546-00235019 Brazil was founded in 1609 by 1732 the EUQoP21qT74-00981-00235019-00235234 Jesuits had gathered into 30 missions or EUQoP21qT74-00982-00235235-00235687 reductions a total of 140 1382 Guarani EUQoP21qT74-00983-00235688-00235991 due to disease european politics an EUQoP21qT74-00984-00235992-00236213 internal discord the population in the EUQoP21qT74-00985-00236214-00236467 missions declined afterwards at their EUQoP21qT74-00986-00236469-00236671 apogee the Jesuits dreamed of a Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00987-00236673-00236842 empire that would stretch from the EUQoP21qT74-00988-00236844-00237034 Paraguay Perron de confluence to the EUQoP21qT74-00989-00237035-00237233 coast and back to the Piranha headwaters EUQoP21qT74-00990-00237234-00237413 in the early years the new Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-00991-00237414-00237575 reductions were threatened by the slave EUQoP21qT74-00992-00237576-00237848 raiding ban Duran's the banda rants EUQoP21qT74-00993-00237848-00238048 captured indians and sold them as slaves EUQoP21qT74-00994-00238050-00238333 to planters in Brazil having depleted EUQoP21qT74-00995-00238334-00238526 the Indian population near Sao Paulo EUQoP21qT74-00996-00238527-00238694 they discovered the richly populated EUQoP21qT74-00997-00238694-00239021 reductions the Spanish authorities chose EUQoP21qT74-00998-00239021-00239180 not to defend the settlements and the EUQoP21qT74-00999-00239181-00239351 Jesuits and their thousands of Mia EUQoP21qT74-01000-00239352-00239548 fights thus had little means to protect EUQoP21qT74-01001-00239550-00239634 themselves EUQoP21qT74-01002-00239635-00239884 thousands of Gorani were captured by the EUQoP21qT74-01003-00239885-00240128 banda rants before organized and armed EUQoP21qT74-01004-00240129-00240365 by the Jesuits a Guarani army defeated EUQoP21qT74-01005-00240366-00240515 the slave Raiders at the Battle of EUQoP21qT74-01006-00240516-00240800 Mobile Rey subsequently the Viceroy of EUQoP21qT74-01007-00240801-00241009 Peru conceded the right of bearing arms EUQoP21qT74-01008-00241010-00241309 to the Guarani thereafter well-trained EUQoP21qT74-01009-00241310-00241510 and highly motivated Indian units were EUQoP21qT74-01010-00241511-00241715 able to defend themselves from slavers EUQoP21qT74-01011-00241716-00241969 and other threats the victory Atma bore EUQoP21qT74-01012-00241971-00242182 a set the stage for the Golden Age of EUQoP21qT74-01013-00242183-00242453 the Jesuits in Paraguay life in the EUQoP21qT74-01014-00242454-00242644 reductions offered the Guarani higher EUQoP21qT74-01015-00242646-00242825 living standards protection from EUQoP21qT74-01016-00242826-00243104 settlers and physical security these EUQoP21qT74-01017-00243105-00243323 reductions which became quite wealthy EUQoP21qT74-01018-00243323-00243532 exported goods and supplied Indian EUQoP21qT74-01019-00243533-00243742 armies to the Spanish on many occasion EUQoP21qT74-01020-00243744-00243965 the reductions where the Jesuits created EUQoP21qT74-01021-00243966-00244226 orchestras musical ensembles and actors EUQoP21qT74-01022-00244227-00244417 troupes and in which virtually all the EUQoP21qT74-01023-00244419-00244616 profits derived from Indian labor were EUQoP21qT74-01024-00244617-00244781 distributed to the laborers earned EUQoP21qT74-01025-00244782-00244942 praise from some of the leaders of the EUQoP21qT74-01026-00244944-00245077 French enlightenment who are EUQoP21qT74-01027-00245078-00245344 predisposed to favor Jesuits by means of EUQoP21qT74-01028-00245345-00245656 religion d'alembert wrote the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01029-00245657-00245890 established a monarchical authority in EUQoP21qT74-01030-00245891-00246137 Paraguay founded solely on their powers EUQoP21qT74-01031-00246138-00246325 of persuasion and on their lenient EUQoP21qT74-01032-00246326-00246607 methods of government masters of the EUQoP21qT74-01033-00246608-00246799 country they rendered happy the people EUQoP21qT74-01034-00246800-00247018 under their sway they succeeded in EUQoP21qT74-01035-00247019-00247171 subduing them without ever having EUQoP21qT74-01036-00247172-00247538 recourse to force and Jesuit educated EUQoP21qT74-01037-00247539-00247741 Voltaire called the Jesuit government a EUQoP21qT74-01038-00247742-00248017 triumph of humanity because of their EUQoP21qT74-01039-00248018-00248242 success the Paraguay and Jesuits gained EUQoP21qT74-01040-00248243-00248428 many enemies and the reductions fell EUQoP21qT74-01041-00248429-00248752 prey to changing times during the 1720s EUQoP21qT74-01042-00248753-00249062 and 1730's Paraguayan settlers rebelled EUQoP21qT74-01043-00249063-00249271 against Jesuit privileges in the revolt EUQoP21qT74-01044-00249272-00249437 of the comuneros and against the EUQoP21qT74-01045-00249438-00249665 government that protected them although EUQoP21qT74-01046-00249666-00249844 this revolt failed it was one of the EUQoP21qT74-01047-00249845-00250033 earliest and most serious risings EUQoP21qT74-01048-00250034-00250207 against Spanish Authority in the new EUQoP21qT74-01049-00250208-00250390 world and caused the crown to question EUQoP21qT74-01050-00250391-00250576 its continued support for the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01051-00250577-00250865 the Jesuit inspired War of the seven EUQoP21qT74-01052-00250866-00251170 reductions 1750 to 61 increased EUQoP21qT74-01053-00251171-00251365 sentiment in Madrid for suppressing this EUQoP21qT74-01054-00251366-00251782 Empire within an empire the spanish king EUQoP21qT74-01055-00251783-00252137 charles the 3rd 1759 to 88 expelled the EUQoP21qT74-01056-00252138-00252424 Jesuits in 1767 from spain and its EUQoP21qT74-01057-00252425-00252691 territories within a few decades of the EUQoP21qT74-01058-00252692-00252898 expulsion most of what the Jesuits had EUQoP21qT74-01059-00252899-00253159 accomplished was lost the missions were EUQoP21qT74-01060-00253160-00253364 mismanaged and abandoned by the Guarani EUQoP21qT74-01061-00253365-00253678 today these ruins of a 160 year EUQoP21qT74-01062-00253679-00253822 experiment have become a tourist EUQoP21qT74-01063-00253823-00254342 attraction EUQoP21qT74-01064-00254342-00254856 topic colonial Brazil EUQoP21qT74-01065-00254857-00255141 Tomei D'Souza first governor-general of EUQoP21qT74-01066-00255142-00255313 Brazil brought the first group of EUQoP21qT74-01067-00255314-00255589 Jesuits to the colony the Jesuits were EUQoP21qT74-01068-00255590-00255783 officially supported by the king who EUQoP21qT74-01069-00255784-00255975 instructed Tomei de Souza to give them EUQoP21qT74-01070-00255976-00256141 all the support needed to Christianize EUQoP21qT74-01071-00256142-00256473 the indigenous peoples the first Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01072-00256474-00256722 guided by Manuel Donna Braga one to us EUQoP21qT74-01073-00256723-00256833 bill Cayton Navarro EUQoP21qT74-01074-00256834-00257070 Leonardo Nunez and later jose de an EUQoP21qT74-01075-00257071-00257280 kieta established the first Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01076-00257281-00257502 missions in Salvador and in South Paolo EUQoP21qT74-01077-00257503-00257697 dos campos de pyridine inga the EUQoP21qT74-01078-00257698-00257887 settlement that gave rise to the city of EUQoP21qT74-01079-00257888-00257958 Sao Paolo EUQoP21qT74-01080-00257959-00258228 na briga and an kieta were instrumental EUQoP21qT74-01081-00258229-00258444 in the defeat of the French colonists of EUQoP21qT74-01082-00258445-00258678 France Antarctic by managing to pacify EUQoP21qT74-01083-00258679-00258889 the Tomoya natives who had previously EUQoP21qT74-01084-00258890-00259162 fought the Portuguese the Jesuits took EUQoP21qT74-01085-00259163-00259341 part in the foundation of the city of EUQoP21qT74-01086-00259342-00259765 Rio de Janeiro in 1565 the success of EUQoP21qT74-01087-00259766-00259968 the Jesuits in converting the indigenous EUQoP21qT74-01088-00259969-00260137 peoples is linked to their efforts to EUQoP21qT74-01089-00260138-00260280 understand the native cultures EUQoP21qT74-01090-00260281-00260550 especially their languages the first EUQoP21qT74-01091-00260551-00260766 grammar of the 2p language was compiled EUQoP21qT74-01092-00260767-00261024 by Jose de anda and printed in Coimbra EUQoP21qT74-01093-00261025-00261375 in 1595 the Jesuits often gathered the EUQoP21qT74-01094-00261376-00261589 Aborigines in communities the Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01095-00261590-00261774 reductions where the natives worked for EUQoP21qT74-01096-00261775-00262050 the community and were evangelized the EUQoP21qT74-01097-00262051-00262242 Jesuits had frequent disputes with other EUQoP21qT74-01098-00262243-00262416 colonists who wanted to enslave the EUQoP21qT74-01099-00262417-00262704 natives the action of the Jesuits saved EUQoP21qT74-01100-00262705-00262888 many natives from being enslaved by EUQoP21qT74-01101-00262889-00263085 Europeans but also disturbed their EUQoP21qT74-01102-00263086-00263298 ancestral way of life and inadvertently EUQoP21qT74-01103-00263299-00263451 helped spread infectious diseases EUQoP21qT74-01104-00263452-00263649 against which the Aborigines had no EUQoP21qT74-01105-00263650-00263962 natural defenses slave labor and trade EUQoP21qT74-01106-00263963-00264132 were essential for the economy of Brazil EUQoP21qT74-01107-00264133-00264364 and other American colonies and the EUQoP21qT74-01108-00264365-00264558 Jesuits usually did not object to the EUQoP21qT74-01109-00264559-00264753 enslavement of African peoples but EUQoP21qT74-01110-00264754-00264903 rather critique the conditions of EUQoP21qT74-01111-00264904-00265434 slavery EUQoP21qT74-01112-00265435-00266016 topic suppression and restoration EUQoP21qT74-01113-00266017-00266220 the suppression of the Jesuits in EUQoP21qT74-01114-00266221-00266502 Portugal France the Two Sicilies Parma EUQoP21qT74-01115-00266503-00266799 and the Spanish Empire by 1767 was EUQoP21qT74-01116-00266800-00267012 troubling to the society's defender Pope EUQoP21qT74-01117-00267013-00267297 Clement the thirteenth on the 21st of EUQoP21qT74-01118-00267298-00267663 July 1773 Pope Clement the 14th issued EUQoP21qT74-01119-00267664-00267897 the papal brief domine si si redemptor EUQoP21qT74-01120-00267898-00268200 de Creon having further considered that EUQoP21qT74-01121-00268201-00268401 the said company of Jesus can no longer EUQoP21qT74-01122-00268402-00268681 produce those abundant fruits EUQoP21qT74-01123-00268682-00268888 in the present case we are determining EUQoP21qT74-01124-00268889-00269089 upon the fate of a society classed among EUQoP21qT74-01125-00269090-00269248 the mendicant orders both by its EUQoP21qT74-01126-00269249-00269476 Institute and by its privileges after a EUQoP21qT74-01127-00269477-00269680 mature deliberation we do out of our EUQoP21qT74-01128-00269681-00269845 certain knowledge and the fullness of EUQoP21qT74-01129-00269846-00270067 our apostolic empower suppress and EUQoP21qT74-01130-00270068-00270268 abolish the said company we deprive it EUQoP21qT74-01131-00270269-00270531 of all activity whatever EUQoP21qT74-01132-00270532-00270729 and to this end a member of the regular EUQoP21qT74-01133-00270730-00270937 clergy recommendable for his prudence EUQoP21qT74-01134-00270938-00271131 and sound morals shall be chosen to EUQoP21qT74-01135-00271132-00271335 preside over and govern the set houses EUQoP21qT74-01136-00271336-00271513 so that the name of the company shall be EUQoP21qT74-01137-00271514-00271680 and is forever extinguished and EUQoP21qT74-01138-00271681-00271963 suppressed the suppression was carried EUQoP21qT74-01139-00271964-00272160 out in all countries except Prussia and EUQoP21qT74-01140-00272161-00272331 Russia where Catherine the Great had EUQoP21qT74-01141-00272332-00272574 forbidden its promulgation because EUQoP21qT74-01142-00272575-00272767 millions of Catholics including many EUQoP21qT74-01143-00272768-00272979 Jesuits lived in the Polish provinces EUQoP21qT74-01144-00272980-00273150 recently annexed by the Kingdom of EUQoP21qT74-01145-00273151-00273351 Prussia the society was able to maintain EUQoP21qT74-01146-00273352-00273579 its existence and carry on its work all EUQoP21qT74-01147-00273580-00273758 through the period of suppression EUQoP21qT74-01148-00273759-00274020 subsequently Pope Pius the 6th would EUQoP21qT74-01149-00274021-00274165 grant formal permission for the EUQoP21qT74-01150-00274166-00274356 continuation of the society in Russia EUQoP21qT74-01151-00274357-00274719 and Poland with Stanislas turn evidence EUQoP21qT74-01152-00274720-00275113 'even teen 82 Pope Pius the seventh had EUQoP21qT74-01153-00275114-00275310 resolved during his captivity in France EUQoP21qT74-01154-00275311-00275523 to restore the Jesuits universally and EUQoP21qT74-01155-00275524-00275719 after his return to Rome he did so with EUQoP21qT74-01156-00275720-00276078 little delay on the 7th of August 1814 EUQoP21qT74-01157-00276079-00276268 by the bull solicitude o omnium EUQoP21qT74-01158-00276269-00276487 ecclesiam he reversed the suppression of EUQoP21qT74-01159-00276488-00276681 the society and therewith another polish EUQoP21qT74-01160-00276682-00276894 Jesuit Thaddeus breeze offski who had EUQoP21qT74-01161-00276895-00277093 been elected to superior in Russia in EUQoP21qT74-01162-00277094-00277476 1805 acquired universal jurisdiction the EUQoP21qT74-01163-00277477-00277677 period following the restoration of the EUQoP21qT74-01164-00277678-00277968 Jesuits in 1814 was marked by tremendous EUQoP21qT74-01165-00277969-00278167 growth as evidenced by the large number EUQoP21qT74-01166-00278168-00278368 of Jesuit colleges and universities EUQoP21qT74-01167-00278369-00278652 established in the 19th century in the EUQoP21qT74-01168-00278653-00278955 United States 22 of the Society's 28 EUQoP21qT74-01169-00278956-00279177 universities were founded or taken over EUQoP21qT74-01170-00279178-00279435 by the Jesuits during this time it has EUQoP21qT74-01171-00279436-00279621 been suggested that the experience of EUQoP21qT74-01172-00279622-00279834 suppression served to hide an orthodoxy EUQoP21qT74-01173-00279835-00280110 among the Jesuits upon restoration while EUQoP21qT74-01174-00280111-00280315 this claim is debatable Jesuits were EUQoP21qT74-01175-00280316-00280530 generally supportive of papal Authority EUQoP21qT74-01176-00280531-00280701 within the church and some members were EUQoP21qT74-01177-00280702-00280875 associated with the ultra montanus EUQoP21qT74-01178-00280876-00281070 movement and the declaration of papal EUQoP21qT74-01179-00281071-00281451 infallibility in 1870 in Switzerland EUQoP21qT74-01180-00281452-00281625 following the defeat of the Sun Durbin EUQoP21qT74-01181-00281626-00281788 Catholic defense Alliance the EUQoP21qT74-01182-00281789-00282013 Constitution was modified and Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01183-00282014-00282337 were banished in 1848 the ban was lifted EUQoP21qT74-01184-00282338-00282675 on the 20th of May 1973 when fifty-four EUQoP21qT74-01185-00282676-00282889 point nine percent of voters accepted a EUQoP21qT74-01186-00282890-00283243 referendum modifying the Constitution EUQoP21qT74-01187-00283244-00283566 you EUQoP21qT74-01188-00283567-00284150 topic early 20th century EUQoP21qT74-01189-00284151-00284471 in the constitution of norway from 1814 EUQoP21qT74-01190-00284472-00284678 a relic from the earlier anti-catholic EUQoP21qT74-01191-00284679-00284906 laws of denmark norway paragraph 2 EUQoP21qT74-01192-00284907-00285143 originally read the Evangelical Lutheran EUQoP21qT74-01193-00285144-00285422 religion remains the public religion of EUQoP21qT74-01194-00285423-00285707 the state those inhabitants who confess EUQoP21qT74-01195-00285708-00285893 thereto are bound to raise their EUQoP21qT74-01196-00285894-00286169 children to the same Jesuits and EUQoP21qT74-01197-00286170-00286442 monastic orders are not permitted Jews EUQoP21qT74-01198-00286443-00286660 are still prohibited from entry to the EUQoP21qT74-01199-00286661-00286913 realm Jews were first allowed into the EUQoP21qT74-01200-00286914-00287177 realm in 1851 after the famous Norwegian EUQoP21qT74-01201-00287178-00287396 poet Henrik were 'land had campaigned EUQoP21qT74-01202-00287397-00287681 for it monastic orders were permitted in EUQoP21qT74-01203-00287682-00287969 1897 but the ban on Jesuits was only EUQoP21qT74-01204-00287970-00288266 lifted in 1956 Republican Spain in the EUQoP21qT74-01205-00288267-00288539 1930s passed laws banning the Jesuits on EUQoP21qT74-01206-00288540-00288689 grounds that they were obedient to a EUQoP21qT74-01207-00288690-00288950 power different from the state pope pius EUQoP21qT74-01208-00288951-00289196 xi wrote about this it was an expression EUQoP21qT74-01209-00289197-00289430 of a soul deeply hostile to God and the EUQoP21qT74-01210-00289431-00289622 Catholic religion to have disbanded the EUQoP21qT74-01211-00289623-00289814 religious orders that had taken a vow of EUQoP21qT74-01212-00289815-00290012 obedience to an authority different from EUQoP21qT74-01213-00290013-00290195 the legitimate authority of the state in EUQoP21qT74-01214-00290196-00290420 this way it was sought to do away with EUQoP21qT74-01215-00290421-00290633 the Society of Jesus which can well EUQoP21qT74-01216-00290634-00290798 glory in being one of the soundest EUQoP21qT74-01217-00290799-00291002 auxiliaries of the chair of st. Peter EUQoP21qT74-01218-00291003-00291200 with the hope perhaps of then being able EUQoP21qT74-01219-00291201-00291413 with less difficulty to overthrow in the EUQoP21qT74-01220-00291414-00291596 near future the Christian faith and EUQoP21qT74-01221-00291597-00291746 morale in the heart of the Spanish EUQoP21qT74-01222-00291747-00291914 nation which gave to the Church of God EUQoP21qT74-01223-00291915-00292112 the grand and glorious figure of EUQoP21qT74-01224-00292113-00292690 Ignatius Loyola EUQoP21qT74-01225-00292691-00293245 topic post Vatican 2 EUQoP21qT74-01226-00293246-00293497 the 20th century witnessed both growth EUQoP21qT74-01227-00293498-00293734 and decline following a trend within the EUQoP21qT74-01228-00293735-00293944 Catholic priesthood at large jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01229-00293945-00294160 numbers peaked in the 1950s and have EUQoP21qT74-01230-00294161-00294445 declined steadily since meanwhile the EUQoP21qT74-01231-00294446-00294661 number of Jesuit institutions has grown EUQoP21qT74-01232-00294662-00294883 considerably due in large part to a post EUQoP21qT74-01233-00294884-00295114 Vatican to focus on the establishment of EUQoP21qT74-01234-00295115-00295330 Jesuit secondary schools in inner-city EUQoP21qT74-01235-00295331-00295552 areas and an increase in voluntary lay EUQoP21qT74-01236-00295553-00295777 groups inspired in part by the Spiritual EUQoP21qT74-01237-00295778-00295860 Exercises EUQoP21qT74-01238-00295861-00296140 among the notable Jesuits of the 20th EUQoP21qT74-01239-00296141-00296353 century John Courtney Marie was called EUQoP21qT74-01240-00296354-00296581 one of the architects of the Second EUQoP21qT74-01241-00296582-00296830 Vatican Council and drafted what EUQoP21qT74-01242-00296831-00296989 eventually became the council's EUQoP21qT74-01243-00296990-00297178 endorsement of religious freedom dignity EUQoP21qT74-01244-00297179-00297568 as human a persona in Latin America the EUQoP21qT74-01245-00297569-00297787 Jesuits had significant influence in the EUQoP21qT74-01246-00297788-00297997 development of liberation theology a EUQoP21qT74-01247-00297998-00298183 movement that was controversial in the EUQoP21qT74-01248-00298184-00298369 catholic community after the negative EUQoP21qT74-01249-00298370-00298630 assessment of it by pope john paul ii in EUQoP21qT74-01250-00298631-00298948 1984 under superior general pedro era EUQoP21qT74-01251-00298949-00299155 social justice and the preferential EUQoP21qT74-01252-00299156-00299356 option for the poor emerged as dominant EUQoP21qT74-01253-00299357-00299605 themes of the work of the Jesuits when EUQoP21qT74-01254-00299606-00299896 Arup was paralyzed by a stroke in 1981 EUQoP21qT74-01255-00299897-00300169 pope john paul ii not entirely pleased EUQoP21qT74-01256-00300170-00300361 with the progressive turn of the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01257-00300362-00300562 took the unusual step of appointing the EUQoP21qT74-01258-00300563-00300763 venerable and aged paolo des afore an EUQoP21qT74-01259-00300764-00301018 interim to oversee the authentic renewal EUQoP21qT74-01260-00301019-00301300 of the church instead of the progressive EUQoP21qT74-01261-00301301-00301498 American priest Vincent O'Keefe whom EUQoP21qT74-01262-00301499-00301852 Arab had preferred in 1983 John Paul EUQoP21qT74-01263-00301853-00302056 gave leave for the Jesuits to appoint a EUQoP21qT74-01264-00302057-00302359 successor to Arab on the 16th of EUQoP21qT74-01265-00302360-00302500 November 1989 EUQoP21qT74-01266-00302501-00302794 six Jesuit priests Ignacio elect area EUQoP21qT74-01267-00302795-00303055 Segundo Montes Ignacio Martine burro EUQoP21qT74-01268-00303056-00303379 Joaquin Lopez Y Lopez one Ramon Moreno EUQoP21qT74-01269-00303380-00303622 and Amato Lopez Alba Ramos their EUQoP21qT74-01270-00303623-00303886 housekeeper and Celia Marisela Ramos her EUQoP21qT74-01271-00303887-00304075 daughter were murdered by the Salvadoran EUQoP21qT74-01272-00304076-00304300 military on the campus of the University EUQoP21qT74-01273-00304301-00304522 of Central America in San Salvador El EUQoP21qT74-01274-00304523-00304723 Salvador because they had been labeled EUQoP21qT74-01275-00304724-00304960 as subversives by the government the EUQoP21qT74-01276-00304961-00305191 assassinations galvanized the Society's EUQoP21qT74-01277-00305192-00305395 peace and justice movements including EUQoP21qT74-01278-00305396-00305566 annual protests at the western EUQoP21qT74-01279-00305567-00305758 hemisphere Institute for security EUQoP21qT74-01280-00305759-00305931 cooperation at Fort Benning Georgia EUQoP21qT74-01281-00305932-00306181 United States where several of the EUQoP21qT74-01282-00306182-00306361 assassins had been trained under US EUQoP21qT74-01283-00306362-00306642 government sponsorship on the 21st of EUQoP21qT74-01284-00306643-00306955 2001 the Jesuit priest Avery Dulles an EUQoP21qT74-01285-00306956-00307138 internationally known author lecturer EUQoP21qT74-01286-00307139-00307399 and theologian was created a cardinal of EUQoP21qT74-01287-00307400-00307588 the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul EUQoP21qT74-01288-00307589-00307873 the second the son of former Secretary EUQoP21qT74-01289-00307874-00308128 of State John Foster Dulles Avery Dulles EUQoP21qT74-01290-00308129-00308287 was long known for his carefully EUQoP21qT74-01291-00308288-00308491 reasoned argumentation and fidelity to EUQoP21qT74-01292-00308492-00308662 the teaching office of the church an EUQoP21qT74-01293-00308663-00308973 author of 22 books in over 700 EUQoP21qT74-01294-00308974-00309226 theological articles Dulles died on the EUQoP21qT74-01295-00309227-00309460 12th of December 2008 at Fordham EUQoP21qT74-01296-00309461-00309607 University where he had taught for EUQoP21qT74-01297-00309608-00309832 twenty years as the Lawrence J McKinley EUQoP21qT74-01298-00309833-00310114 professor of religion and society he was EUQoP21qT74-01299-00310115-00310327 at his passing one of ten Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01300-00310328-00310693 Cardinals in the Catholic Church in 2002 EUQoP21qT74-01301-00310694-00310924 boston college president and Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01302-00310925-00311131 priest William Peele a he initiated the EUQoP21qT74-01303-00311132-00311383 church in the 21st century program as a EUQoP21qT74-01304-00311384-00311623 means of moving the church from crisis EUQoP21qT74-01305-00311624-00311884 to renewal the initiative has provided EUQoP21qT74-01306-00311885-00312073 the society with a platform for EUQoP21qT74-01307-00312074-00312256 examining issues brought about by the EUQoP21qT74-01308-00312257-00312463 worldwide Catholic sex abuse cases EUQoP21qT74-01309-00312464-00312685 including the priesthood celibacy EUQoP21qT74-01310-00312686-00312934 sexuality women's roles and the role of EUQoP21qT74-01311-00312935-00313360 the laity in April 2005 Thomas J Reese EUQoP21qT74-01312-00313361-00313588 editor of the American Jesuit weekly EUQoP21qT74-01313-00313589-00313804 magazine America resigned at the request EUQoP21qT74-01314-00313805-00314035 of the society the move was widely EUQoP21qT74-01315-00314036-00314272 published in the media as the result of EUQoP21qT74-01316-00314273-00314443 pressure from the Vatican following EUQoP21qT74-01317-00314444-00314653 years of criticism by the Congregation EUQoP21qT74-01318-00314654-00314791 for the Doctrine of the Faith on EUQoP21qT74-01319-00314792-00314974 articles touching subjects such as EUQoP21qT74-01320-00314975-00315243 hiv/aids religious pluralism EUQoP21qT74-01321-00315244-00315460 homosexuality and the right of life for EUQoP21qT74-01322-00315461-00315664 the unborn following his resignation EUQoP21qT74-01323-00315665-00315919 Reese spent a year-long sabbatical at EUQoP21qT74-01324-00315920-00316117 Santa Clara University before being EUQoP21qT74-01325-00316118-00316255 named a fellow at the Woodstock EUQoP21qT74-01326-00316256-00316525 theological Center in Washington DC and EUQoP21qT74-01327-00316526-00316729 later senior analyst for the National EUQoP21qT74-01328-00316730-00317029 Catholic Reporter President Barack Obama EUQoP21qT74-01329-00317030-00317182 appointed him to the United States EUQoP21qT74-01330-00317183-00317404 Commission on International Religious EUQoP21qT74-01331-00317405-00317743 Freedom in 2014 and again in 2016 on the EUQoP21qT74-01332-00317744-00318070 2nd of February 2006 Peter Hans Colvin EUQoP21qT74-01333-00318071-00318274 Bach informed members of the Society of EUQoP21qT74-01334-00318275-00318460 Jesus that with the consent of pope EUQoP21qT74-01335-00318461-00318727 benedict xvi he intended to step down as EUQoP21qT74-01336-00318728-00318991 Superior General in 2008 the year he EUQoP21qT74-01337-00318992-00319411 would turn 80 on the 22nd of April 2006 EUQoP21qT74-01338-00319412-00319657 feast of Our Lady Mother of the Society EUQoP21qT74-01339-00319658-00319912 of Jesus pope benedict xvi greeted EUQoP21qT74-01340-00319913-00320008 thousands of jazz EUQoP21qT74-01341-00320009-00320197 it's on pilgrimage to Rome and took the EUQoP21qT74-01342-00320198-00320398 opportunity to thank God for having EUQoP21qT74-01343-00320399-00320620 granted to your company the gift of men EUQoP21qT74-01344-00320621-00320821 of extraordinary sanctity and of EUQoP21qT74-01345-00320822-00321097 exceptional apostolic zeal such as Saint EUQoP21qT74-01346-00321098-00321376 Ignatius of Loyola st. Francis Xavier EUQoP21qT74-01347-00321377-00321576 and BL Peter Faber EUQoP21qT74-01348-00321577-00321976 he said st. Ignatius of Loyola was above EUQoP21qT74-01349-00321977-00322189 all a man of God who gave the first EUQoP21qT74-01350-00322190-00322417 place of his life to God to his greater EUQoP21qT74-01351-00322418-00322726 glory and his greater service he was a EUQoP21qT74-01352-00322727-00322960 man of profound Prayer which found its EUQoP21qT74-01353-00322961-00323185 Center in its culmination in the daily EUQoP21qT74-01354-00323186-00323566 Eucharistic celebration in May 2006 EUQoP21qT74-01355-00323567-00323830 benedict xvi also wrote a letter to EUQoP21qT74-01356-00323831-00324064 Superior General Peter Hans Colvin Bach EUQoP21qT74-01357-00324065-00324244 on the occasion of the 50th anniversary EUQoP21qT74-01358-00324245-00324559 of Pope Pius the 12th encyclical Haridas EUQoP21qT74-01359-00324560-00324742 Aquos on devotion to the Sacred Heart EUQoP21qT74-01360-00324743-00324937 because the Jesuits have always been EUQoP21qT74-01361-00324938-00325192 extremely active in the promotion of EUQoP21qT74-01362-00325193-00325483 this essential devotion in his the 3rd EUQoP21qT74-01363-00325484-00325774 of November 2006 visit to the Pontifical EUQoP21qT74-01364-00325775-00326020 Gregorian University Benedict the 16th EUQoP21qT74-01365-00326021-00326236 cited the University as one of the EUQoP21qT74-01366-00326237-00326449 greatest services that the Society of EUQoP21qT74-01367-00326450-00326674 Jesus carries out for the universal EUQoP21qT74-01368-00326675-00326748 church EUQoP21qT74-01369-00326749-00327052 the 35th general Congregation of the EUQoP21qT74-01370-00327053-00327268 Society of Jesus convened on the 5th of EUQoP21qT74-01371-00327269-00327565 January 2008 and elected a dolphin ickis EUQoP21qT74-01372-00327566-00327796 as the new Superior General on the 19th EUQoP21qT74-01373-00327797-00328111 of January 2008 in a letter to the EUQoP21qT74-01374-00328112-00328339 fathers of the congregation benedict xvi EUQoP21qT74-01375-00328340-00328666 wrote as my predecessors have said to EUQoP21qT74-01376-00328667-00328852 you on various occasions the church EUQoP21qT74-01377-00328853-00329083 needs you relies on you and continues to EUQoP21qT74-01378-00329084-00329203 turn to you with trust EUQoP21qT74-01379-00329204-00329401 particularly to reach those physical and EUQoP21qT74-01380-00329402-00329584 spiritual places which others do not EUQoP21qT74-01381-00329585-00329772 reach or have difficulty in reaching EUQoP21qT74-01382-00329773-00330064 paul the six words remain engraved on EUQoP21qT74-01383-00330065-00330301 your hearts wherever in the church even EUQoP21qT74-01384-00330302-00330553 in the most difficult and extreme fields EUQoP21qT74-01385-00330554-00330811 at the crossroads of ideologies in the EUQoP21qT74-01386-00330812-00331039 social trenches there has been and there EUQoP21qT74-01387-00331040-00331243 is confrontation between the burning EUQoP21qT74-01388-00331244-00331465 exigencies of man and the perennial EUQoP21qT74-01389-00331466-00331693 message of the gospel here also there EUQoP21qT74-01390-00331694-00331976 have been and there are Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01391-00331977-00332159 address to the thirty second general EUQoP21qT74-01392-00332160-00332384 congregation of the Jesuits the third of EUQoP21qT74-01393-00332385-00332734 December 1974 or the 12th of December EUQoP21qT74-01394-00332735-00333233 n2p for in 2013 Jesuit Cardinal Jorge EUQoP21qT74-01395-00333234-00333572 bergoglio became Pope Francis before he EUQoP21qT74-01396-00333573-00333785 became Pope he was appointed bishop when EUQoP21qT74-01397-00333786-00334025 he was in virtual estrangement from the EUQoP21qT74-01398-00334026-00334370 Jesuits since he was seen as an enemy of EUQoP21qT74-01399-00334371-00334781 Liberation Theology gotten viewed by EUQoP21qT74-01400-00334782-00335144 others is still far too Orthodox trying EUQoP21qT74-01401-00335145-00335354 to protect Jesuits but not approving of EUQoP21qT74-01402-00335355-00335548 their participation in violent groups EUQoP21qT74-01403-00335549-00335782 once elected there was an immediate EUQoP21qT74-01404-00335783-00336020 reconciliation and Pope Francis has been EUQoP21qT74-01405-00336021-00336233 bringing the Jesuit simplicity love for EUQoP21qT74-01406-00336234-00336416 the poor and service of the flock into EUQoP21qT74-01407-00336417-00336707 the papacy on the 2nd of October 2016 EUQoP21qT74-01408-00336708-00336995 general congregation 36 convened in Rome EUQoP21qT74-01409-00336996-00337235 can vote by Superior General Adolfo EUQoP21qT74-01410-00337236-00337430 nicolĂ¡s who had announced his intention EUQoP21qT74-01411-00337431-00337751 to resign at age 80 on October 14th the EUQoP21qT74-01412-00337752-00338030 36th general congregation of the Society EUQoP21qT74-01413-00338031-00338246 of Jesus elected Arturo Sosa a EUQoP21qT74-01414-00338247-00339038 Venezuelan as its 31st Superior General EUQoP21qT74-01415-00339039-00339656 topic Ignatian spirituality EUQoP21qT74-01416-00339657-00339878 the spirituality practiced by the EUQoP21qT74-01417-00339879-00340078 Jesuits called Ignatian spirituality EUQoP21qT74-01418-00340079-00340319 ultimately based on the Catholic faith EUQoP21qT74-01419-00340320-00340496 and the Gospels is drawn from the EUQoP21qT74-01420-00340497-00340666 Constitution's the letters and EUQoP21qT74-01421-00340667-00340887 autobiography and most specially from EUQoP21qT74-01422-00340888-00341078 Ignatius Spiritual Exercises EUQoP21qT74-01423-00341079-00341340 whose purpose is to conquer oneself and EUQoP21qT74-01424-00341341-00341546 to regulate one's life in such a way EUQoP21qT74-01425-00341547-00341729 that no decision is made under the EUQoP21qT74-01426-00341730-00341971 influence of any inordinate attachment EUQoP21qT74-01427-00341972-00342221 the exercises culminate in a EUQoP21qT74-01428-00342222-00342425 contemplation whereby one develops a EUQoP21qT74-01429-00342426-00343141 facility to find God in all things EUQoP21qT74-01430-00343142-00343650 topic formation EUQoP21qT74-01431-00343651-00343926 the formation training of Jesuit seeks EUQoP21qT74-01432-00343927-00344148 to prepare men spiritually academically EUQoP21qT74-01433-00344149-00344343 and practically for the ministries they EUQoP21qT74-01434-00344344-00344496 will be called to offer the church in EUQoP21qT74-01435-00344497-00344757 world Saint Ignatius was strongly EUQoP21qT74-01436-00344758-00344940 influenced by the Renaissance and he EUQoP21qT74-01437-00344941-00345102 wanted Jesuits to be able to offer EUQoP21qT74-01438-00345103-00345303 whatever ministries were most needed at EUQoP21qT74-01439-00345304-00345509 any given moment and especially to be EUQoP21qT74-01440-00345510-00345723 ready to respond to missions assignments EUQoP21qT74-01441-00345724-00345996 from the Pope formation for priesthood EUQoP21qT74-01442-00345997-00346248 normally takes between 8 and 14 years EUQoP21qT74-01443-00346249-00346443 depending on the man's background in EUQoP21qT74-01444-00346444-00346668 previous education and final vows are EUQoP21qT74-01445-00346669-00346863 taken several years after that making EUQoP21qT74-01446-00346864-00347058 Jesuit formation among the longest of EUQoP21qT74-01447-00347059-00347694 any of the religious orders EUQoP21qT74-01448-00347695-00348291 topic government of the society EUQoP21qT74-01449-00348292-00348533 the society is headed by a superior EUQoP21qT74-01450-00348534-00348758 general with the formal title pre posit EUQoP21qT74-01451-00348759-00349062 is generally Latin for Provost general EUQoP21qT74-01452-00349063-00349323 more commonly called father general or EUQoP21qT74-01453-00349324-00349550 general he is elected by the general EUQoP21qT74-01454-00349551-00349737 congregation for life or until he EUQoP21qT74-01455-00349738-00349955 resigns he is confirmed by the Pope and EUQoP21qT74-01456-00349956-00350129 has absolute authority in running the EUQoP21qT74-01457-00350130-00350439 society the current Superior General of EUQoP21qT74-01458-00350440-00350640 the Jesuits as the Venezuelan Arturo EUQoP21qT74-01459-00350641-00350858 Sosa who was elected on the 14th of EUQoP21qT74-01460-00350859-00351018 October 2016 EUQoP21qT74-01461-00351019-00351191 the father general is assisted by EUQoP21qT74-01462-00351192-00351540 assistants four of whom are assistance EUQoP21qT74-01463-00351541-00351792 for Provident care and serve as general EUQoP21qT74-01464-00351793-00352031 advisors in a sort of inner council and EUQoP21qT74-01465-00352032-00352224 several other regional assistants each EUQoP21qT74-01466-00352225-00352529 of whom heads n assistants II which is EUQoP21qT74-01467-00352530-00352722 either a geographic area for instance EUQoP21qT74-01468-00352723-00352955 the north american assistance ii or an EUQoP21qT74-01469-00352956-00353139 area of ministry for instance higher EUQoP21qT74-01470-00353140-00353439 education the assistance normally reside EUQoP21qT74-01471-00353440-00353627 with father general in rome and along EUQoP21qT74-01472-00353628-00353834 with others form an advisory council to EUQoP21qT74-01473-00353835-00354083 the general a vicar general and EUQoP21qT74-01474-00354084-00354315 secretary of the society run day-to-day EUQoP21qT74-01475-00354316-00354578 administration the general is also EUQoP21qT74-01476-00354579-00354741 required to have an ED monitor a EUQoP21qT74-01477-00354742-00354959 confidential adviser whose task is to EUQoP21qT74-01478-00354960-00355116 warn the general honestly and EUQoP21qT74-01479-00355117-00355290 confidentially when he might be acting EUQoP21qT74-01480-00355291-00355494 imprudently or contrary to the church's EUQoP21qT74-01481-00355495-00355754 Magisterium the central staff of the EUQoP21qT74-01482-00355755-00355941 general is known as the Curia the EUQoP21qT74-01483-00355942-00356153 society is divided into Geographic EUQoP21qT74-01484-00356154-00356340 provinces each of which is headed by a EUQoP21qT74-01485-00356341-00356549 provincial superior generally called EUQoP21qT74-01486-00356550-00356769 Father provincial chosen by the general EUQoP21qT74-01487-00356770-00357045 he has authority over all Jesuits and EUQoP21qT74-01488-00357046-00357237 ministries in his area and is assisted EUQoP21qT74-01489-00357238-00357431 by a sotius who acts as a sort of EUQoP21qT74-01490-00357432-00357707 secretary and chief of staff with the EUQoP21qT74-01491-00357708-00357899 approval of the general the provincial EUQoP21qT74-01492-00357900-00358100 appoints a novice master and a master of EUQoP21qT74-01493-00358101-00358290 torsions to oversee formation and EUQoP21qT74-01494-00358291-00358517 rector's of local communities of Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01495-00358518-00358821 for better cooperation and apostolic EUQoP21qT74-01496-00358822-00359024 efficacy in each continent the Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01497-00359025-00359228 provinces are grouped into six Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01498-00359229-00359525 conferences worldwide each Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01499-00359526-00359726 community within a province is normally EUQoP21qT74-01500-00359727-00359909 headed by a rector who has assisted by a EUQoP21qT74-01501-00359910-00360273 minister from the Latin for servant a EUQoP21qT74-01502-00360274-00360509 priest who helps oversee the community's EUQoP21qT74-01503-00360510-00360776 day-to-day needs the general EUQoP21qT74-01504-00360777-00360969 congregation is a meeting of all of the EUQoP21qT74-01505-00360970-00361173 assistants provincials and additional EUQoP21qT74-01506-00361174-00361349 representatives who are elected by the EUQoP21qT74-01507-00361350-00361600 professed Jesuits of each province EUQoP21qT74-01508-00361601-00361831 it meets irregularly and rarely normally EUQoP21qT74-01509-00361832-00362053 to elect a new Superior General and/or EUQoP21qT74-01510-00362054-00362272 to take up some major policy issues for EUQoP21qT74-01511-00362273-00362491 the order the general meets more EUQoP21qT74-01512-00362492-00362713 regularly with smaller councils composed EUQoP21qT74-01513-00362714-00363340 of just the provincials EUQoP21qT74-01514-00363341-00363901 topic habit and dress EUQoP21qT74-01515-00363902-00364141 Jesuits do not have an official habit EUQoP21qT74-01516-00364142-00364390 the societies constitutions gives the EUQoP21qT74-01517-00364391-00364624 following instructions the clothing two EUQoP21qT74-01518-00364625-00364837 should have three characteristics first EUQoP21qT74-01519-00364838-00365113 it should be proper second conform to EUQoP21qT74-01520-00365114-00365275 the usage of the country of residence EUQoP21qT74-01521-00365276-00365518 and third not contradictory to the EUQoP21qT74-01522-00365519-00366042 poverty we profess Const 577 EUQoP21qT74-01523-00366043-00366360 historically aa Jesuit style cassock EUQoP21qT74-01524-00366361-00366718 became standard-issue it was wrapped EUQoP21qT74-01525-00366719-00366885 around the body and was tied with a EUQoP21qT74-01526-00366886-00367045 cincture rather than the customary EUQoP21qT74-01527-00367046-00367342 button front a tuft less Baretta only EUQoP21qT74-01528-00367343-00367579 diocesan clergy wore Tufts and a fair EUQoP21qT74-01529-00367580-00367870 iolo cape completed the look as such EUQoP21qT74-01530-00367871-00368059 though it was the common priestly dress EUQoP21qT74-01531-00368060-00368290 of Ignatius de Jesuit garb appeared EUQoP21qT74-01532-00368291-00368515 distinctive and became identifiable over EUQoP21qT74-01533-00368516-00368779 time during the missionary periods of EUQoP21qT74-01534-00368780-00369001 North America the various native peoples EUQoP21qT74-01535-00369002-00369234 referred to Jesuits as black robes EUQoP21qT74-01536-00369235-00369592 because of their black Kasich's today EUQoP21qT74-01537-00369593-00369826 most Jesuits in the United States where EUQoP21qT74-01538-00369827-00370009 the clerical collar and black clothing EUQoP21qT74-01539-00370010-00370222 of ordinary priests although some still EUQoP21qT74-01540-00370223-00370465 wear the black cassock Jesuits in EUQoP21qT74-01541-00370466-00370642 tropical countries may use a white EUQoP21qT74-01542-00370643-00371333 cassock when ministering outdoors EUQoP21qT74-01543-00371334-00371870 topic controversies EUQoP21qT74-01544-00371871-00372211 you EUQoP21qT74-01545-00372212-00372726 topic power seeking EUQoP21qT74-01546-00372727-00372978 the Monita secreta secret instructions EUQoP21qT74-01547-00372979-00373272 of the Jesuits published in 1612 and in EUQoP21qT74-01548-00373273-00373539 1614 in Krakow is alleged to have been EUQoP21qT74-01549-00373540-00373767 written by Claudio aqua vive the fifth EUQoP21qT74-01550-00373768-00373985 general of the society but was probably EUQoP21qT74-01551-00373986-00374178 written by former Jesuit Jerome's a EUQoP21qT74-01552-00374179-00374454 offski it purports to describe the EUQoP21qT74-01553-00374455-00374660 methods to be adopted by Jesuits for the EUQoP21qT74-01554-00374661-00374832 acquisition of greater power and EUQoP21qT74-01555-00374833-00375012 influence for the society and for the EUQoP21qT74-01556-00375013-00375270 Roman Catholic Church the Catholic EUQoP21qT74-01557-00375271-00375453 Encyclopedia states the book is a EUQoP21qT74-01558-00375454-00375687 forgery fabricated to ascribe a sinister EUQoP21qT74-01559-00375688-00376387 reputation to the Society of Jesus EUQoP21qT74-01560-00376388-00376923 topic political intrigue EUQoP21qT74-01561-00376924-00377160 the Jesuits were temporarily banished EUQoP21qT74-01562-00377161-00377448 from France in 1594 after a man named EUQoP21qT74-01563-00377449-00377643 Jean Chatel tried to assassinate the EUQoP21qT74-01564-00377644-00377931 King of France on re the 4th under EUQoP21qT74-01565-00377932-00378135 questioning Chatel revealed that he had EUQoP21qT74-01566-00378136-00378315 been educated by the Jesuits of the EUQoP21qT74-01567-00378316-00378564 College de Clermont the Jesuits were EUQoP21qT74-01568-00378565-00378774 accused of inspiring 'shit ELLs attack EUQoP21qT74-01569-00378775-00379023 two of his former teachers were exiled EUQoP21qT74-01570-00379024-00379281 and a third was hanged the college de EUQoP21qT74-01571-00379282-00379482 Clermont was closed and the building was EUQoP21qT74-01572-00379483-00379755 confiscated the Jesuits were banned from EUQoP21qT74-01573-00379756-00379941 France although this ban was quickly EUQoP21qT74-01574-00379942-00380283 lifted in England Henry Garnett one of EUQoP21qT74-01575-00380284-00380469 the leading English Jesuits was hanged EUQoP21qT74-01576-00380470-00380661 for misprision of treason because of his EUQoP21qT74-01577-00380662-00381009 knowledge of the Gunpowder Plot 1605 the EUQoP21qT74-01578-00381010-00381216 plot was the attempted assassination of EUQoP21qT74-01579-00381217-00381432 King James the first of England and V of EUQoP21qT74-01580-00381433-00381636 Scotland his family and most of the EUQoP21qT74-01581-00381637-00381834 Protestant aristocracy in a single EUQoP21qT74-01582-00381835-00382011 attack by exploding the houses of EUQoP21qT74-01583-00382012-00382275 parliament another Jesuit oswald EUQoP21qT74-01584-00382276-00382494 testament managed to escape arrest for EUQoP21qT74-01585-00382495-00383100 his involvement in this plot EUQoP21qT74-01586-00383101-00383703 topic casuistic justification EUQoP21qT74-01587-00383704-00383889 Jesuits have been accused of using EUQoP21qT74-01588-00383890-00384153 casuistry to obtain justifications for EUQoP21qT74-01589-00384154-00384429 unjustifiable actions cf formulary EUQoP21qT74-01590-00384430-00384645 controversy and lettre province II Alice EUQoP21qT74-01591-00384646-00384930 by Blaise Pascal hence the concise EUQoP21qT74-01592-00384931-00385071 Oxford Dictionary of the English EUQoP21qT74-01593-00385072-00385377 language lists equivocating as a EUQoP21qT74-01594-00385378-00385688 secondary denotation of the word Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01595-00385689-00385929 modern critics of the Society of Jesus EUQoP21qT74-01596-00385930-00386208 include Avro Manhattan Alberto Rivera EUQoP21qT74-01597-00386209-00386451 and Malachi Martin the latter being the EUQoP21qT74-01598-00386452-00386649 author of the Jesuits the Society of EUQoP21qT74-01599-00386650-00386844 Jesus and the betrayal of the Roman EUQoP21qT74-01600-00386845-00387505 Catholic Church 1987 EUQoP21qT74-01601-00387506-00388027 topic anti-semitism EUQoP21qT74-01602-00388028-00388249 although in the first 30 years of the EUQoP21qT74-01603-00388250-00388474 existence of the Society of Jesus there EUQoP21qT74-01604-00388475-00388654 were many Jesuits who were conversos EUQoP21qT74-01605-00388655-00388900 Catholic convert Jews an anti converse EUQoP21qT74-01606-00388901-00389116 olfaction led to the decree to generate EUQoP21qT74-01607-00389117-00389236 1593 EUQoP21qT74-01608-00389237-00389416 which proclaimed that either Jewish or EUQoP21qT74-01609-00389417-00389635 Muslim ancestry no matter how distant EUQoP21qT74-01610-00389636-00389815 was an insurmountable impediment for EUQoP21qT74-01611-00389816-00390091 admission to the Society of Jesus this EUQoP21qT74-01612-00390092-00390301 new rule was contrary to the original EUQoP21qT74-01613-00390302-00390517 wishes of Ignatius who said that he EUQoP21qT74-01614-00390518-00390715 would take it as a special grace from EUQoP21qT74-01615-00390716-00391039 our Lord to come from Jewish lineage the EUQoP21qT74-01616-00391040-00391282 16th century decreed a Jenner a remain EUQoP21qT74-01617-00391283-00391465 Dan exclusive force until it was EUQoP21qT74-01618-00391466-00392121 repealed in 1946 EUQoP21qT74-01619-00392122-00392686 topic theological debates EUQoP21qT74-01620-00392687-00392920 within the Roman Catholic Church there EUQoP21qT74-01621-00392921-00393085 has existed a sometimes tense EUQoP21qT74-01622-00393086-00393289 relationship between Jesuits and the EUQoP21qT74-01623-00393290-00393502 Holy See due to questioning of official EUQoP21qT74-01624-00393503-00393700 church teaching and papal directives EUQoP21qT74-01625-00393701-00393931 such as those on abortion birth control EUQoP21qT74-01626-00393932-00394177 women deacons homosexuality and EUQoP21qT74-01627-00394178-00394471 Liberation Theology usually this EUQoP21qT74-01628-00394472-00394627 theological free thinking is EUQoP21qT74-01629-00394628-00394861 academically oriented being prevalent at EUQoP21qT74-01630-00394862-00395071 the university level from this EUQoP21qT74-01631-00395072-00395260 standpoint the function of this debate EUQoP21qT74-01632-00395261-00395458 is less to challenge the Magisterium EUQoP21qT74-01633-00395459-00395611 than to publicize the results of EUQoP21qT74-01634-00395612-00395812 historical research or to illustrate the EUQoP21qT74-01635-00395813-00396007 church's ability to compromise in a EUQoP21qT74-01636-00396008-00396205 pluralist society based on shared values EUQoP21qT74-01637-00396206-00396430 that do not always align with religious EUQoP21qT74-01638-00396431-00396694 teachings this has not prevented Pope's EUQoP21qT74-01639-00396695-00396871 from appointing Jesuits to powerful EUQoP21qT74-01640-00396872-00397159 positions in the church John Paul the EUQoP21qT74-01641-00397160-00397324 second and Benedict the sixteenth EUQoP21qT74-01642-00397325-00397546 together appointed 10 Jesuit Cardinals EUQoP21qT74-01643-00397547-00397810 two notable jobs under benedict EUQoP21qT74-01644-00397811-00398041 Archbishop Louis Leterrier Ferrer was EUQoP21qT74-01645-00398042-00398227 secretary of the Congregation for the EUQoP21qT74-01646-00398228-00398398 Doctrine of the Faith and federico EUQoP21qT74-01647-00398399-00399094 Lombardi was vatican press secretary EUQoP21qT74-01648-00399095-00399677 topic child sexual abuse EUQoP21qT74-01649-00399678-00399908 members of the Society of Jesus have EUQoP21qT74-01650-00399909-00400058 been implicated in the Catholic Church EUQoP21qT74-01651-00400059-00400726 sexual abuse cases EUQoP21qT74-01652-00400727-00401304 topic Nazi persecution EUQoP21qT74-01653-00401305-00401563 the Catholic Church faced persecution in EUQoP21qT74-01654-00401564-00401832 Nazi Germany Hitler was anti-clerical EUQoP21qT74-01655-00401833-00402003 and had particular disdain for the EUQoP21qT74-01656-00402004-00402255 Jesuits according to John Pollard the EUQoP21qT74-01657-00402256-00402515 Jesuits ethos represented the most EUQoP21qT74-01658-00402516-00402708 intransigent opposition to the EUQoP21qT74-01659-00402709-00402990 philosophy of Nazism and so the Nazis EUQoP21qT74-01660-00402991-00403164 considered them as one of their most EUQoP21qT74-01661-00403165-00403467 dangerous enemies a jesuit college in EUQoP21qT74-01662-00403468-00403665 the city of innsbruck served as a center EUQoP21qT74-01663-00403666-00403875 for anti-nazi resistance and was closed EUQoP21qT74-01664-00403876-00404241 down by the nazis in 1938 Jesuits were a EUQoP21qT74-01665-00404242-00404478 target for Gestapo persecution and many EUQoP21qT74-01666-00404479-00404638 Jesuit priests were deported to EUQoP21qT74-01667-00404639-00404946 concentration camps Jesuits made up the EUQoP21qT74-01668-00404947-00405165 largest contingent of clergy imprisoned EUQoP21qT74-01669-00405166-00405315 in the priests barracks of Dachau EUQoP21qT74-01670-00405316-00405624 concentration camp lipoma de lists some EUQoP21qT74-01671-00405625-00405876 30 Jesuits as having died at Dachau of EUQoP21qT74-01672-00405877-00406191 the total of 152 Jesuits murdered by the EUQoP21qT74-01673-00406192-00406443 Nazis across Europe 43 died in the EUQoP21qT74-01674-00406444-00406692 concentration camps and an additional 27 EUQoP21qT74-01675-00406693-00406939 died from captivity or its results the EUQoP21qT74-01676-00406940-00407139 Superior General of Jesuits at the EUQoP21qT74-01677-00407140-00407314 outbreak of war was well on Djem ears EUQoP21qT74-01678-00407315-00407607 Letta Kowski a pole the Nazi persecution EUQoP21qT74-01679-00407608-00407835 of the Catholic Church in Poland was EUQoP21qT74-01680-00407836-00408114 particularly severe Vincent LuPone EUQoP21qT74-01681-00408115-00408291 murder wrote that Letta Kowski helped EUQoP21qT74-01682-00408292-00408514 stiffen the general attitude of the EUQoP21qT74-01683-00408515-00408798 Jesuits against the Nazis and that he EUQoP21qT74-01684-00408799-00409008 permitted Vatican Radio to carry on its EUQoP21qT74-01685-00409009-00409235 campaign against the Nazis in pulling EUQoP21qT74-01686-00409236-00409500 Vatican Radio was run by the Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01687-00409501-00409731 filippo so Corsi and spoke out against EUQoP21qT74-01688-00409732-00409956 Nazi oppression particularly with regard EUQoP21qT74-01689-00409957-00410095 to Poland and to Vichy French EUQoP21qT74-01690-00410096-00410391 anti-semitism several Jesuits were EUQoP21qT74-01691-00410392-00410607 prominent in the small German resistance EUQoP21qT74-01692-00410608-00410814 among the central membership of the EUQoP21qT74-01693-00410815-00411009 kreisau circle of the resistance where EUQoP21qT74-01694-00411010-00411255 the Jesuit priests Agustin rosh alfred EUQoP21qT74-01695-00411256-00411591 dumped and lethargic the bavarian jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01696-00411592-00411822 provincial augustine rosh ended the war EUQoP21qT74-01697-00411823-00412018 on death row for his role in the July EUQoP21qT74-01698-00412018-00412260 plot to overthrow Hitler another EUQoP21qT74-01699-00412261-00412476 non-military German resistance group EUQoP21qT74-01700-00412477-00412870 dubbed the Frau solf Tea Party by the EUQoP21qT74-01701-00412871-00413089 Gestapo included the Jesuit priest EUQoP21qT74-01702-00413089-00413314 Friedrich Kirk's Leben the German Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01703-00413314-00413535 Robert liber acted as intermediary EUQoP21qT74-01704-00413536-00413745 between Pius the 12th and the German EUQoP21qT74-01705-00413746-00413955 resistance among the Jesuit victims of EUQoP21qT74-01706-00413956-00414168 the Nazis Germany's Rupert Mayer has EUQoP21qT74-01707-00414169-00414447 been beatified Mayer was a Bavarian EUQoP21qT74-01708-00414448-00414643 Jesuit who clashed with the Nazis as EUQoP21qT74-01709-00414643-00414696 early EUQoP21qT74-01710-00414697-00415047 19:23 continuing his critique following EUQoP21qT74-01711-00415049-00415234 Hitler's rise to power Mayer was EUQoP21qT74-01712-00415235-00415456 imprisoned in 1939 and sent to EUQoP21qT74-01713-00415457-00415734 Sachsenhausen concentration camp as his EUQoP21qT74-01714-00415735-00415924 health declined the Nazis feared the EUQoP21qT74-01715-00415925-00416101 creation of a martyr and sent him to the EUQoP21qT74-01716-00416102-00416437 Abbey of Idul in 1940 there he continued EUQoP21qT74-01717-00416438-00416620 to give sermons and lectures against the EUQoP21qT74-01718-00416621-00416827 evils of the Nazi regime until his death EUQoP21qT74-01719-00416828-00417437 in 1945 EUQoP21qT74-01720-00417438-00417704 topic rescue efforts during the EUQoP21qT74-01721-00417705-00418097 Holocaust EUQoP21qT74-01722-00418098-00418310 in his history of the heroes of the EUQoP21qT74-01723-00418312-00418532 Holocaust the Jewish historian Martin EUQoP21qT74-01724-00418533-00418695 Gilbert notes that in every country EUQoP21qT74-01725-00418696-00418928 under German occupation priests played a EUQoP21qT74-01726-00418929-00419157 major part in rescuing Jews and that the EUQoP21qT74-01727-00419158-00419343 Jesuits were one of the Catholic orders EUQoP21qT74-01728-00419343-00419522 that hid Jewish children in monasteries EUQoP21qT74-01729-00419523-00419691 and schools to protect them from the EUQoP21qT74-01730-00419692-00419988 Nazis 14 Jesuit priests have been EUQoP21qT74-01731-00419989-00420218 formally recognized by Yad Vashem the EUQoP21qT74-01732-00420220-00420450 Holocaust martyrs and heroes remembrance EUQoP21qT74-01733-00420451-00420647 authority in Jerusalem for risking their EUQoP21qT74-01734-00420648-00420804 lives to save Jews during the Holocaust EUQoP21qT74-01735-00420805-00420978 of World War two EUQoP21qT74-01736-00420979-00421356 Roger Braun 1910 to 1981 of France EUQoP21qT74-01737-00421357-00421725 Pierre chalid 1900 to 1972 of France EUQoP21qT74-01738-00421726-00422163 Jean Baptist de Coster 1896 to 1968 of EUQoP21qT74-01739-00422164-00422562 Belgium Jean Fleury 1905 to 1982 of EUQoP21qT74-01740-00422563-00422960 France amel Gessler 1891 to 1958 of EUQoP21qT74-01741-00422962-00423275 Belgium Gen Baptist Johnson's 1889 to EUQoP21qT74-01742-00423276-00423678 1964 of Belgium Alphonse lamb Brett 1884 EUQoP21qT74-01743-00423679-00423985 to 1970 of Belgium a meal plan carat EUQoP21qT74-01744-00423987-00424284 1906 to 2006 of France EUQoP21qT74-01745-00424285-00424677 Jacob Rael 1894 to 1949 of Hungary EUQoP21qT74-01746-00424678-00425060 uhnari revell 1904 to 1992 of France EUQoP21qT74-01747-00425062-00425520 atom SZ tark 1907 to 1942 of Poland EUQoP21qT74-01748-00425521-00425918 unruhe van you stay in 1906 to 1945 of EUQoP21qT74-01749-00425920-00426279 Belgium Joanne's Merengues 1901 to 1989 EUQoP21qT74-01750-00426280-00426554 of Greece and Raphael de chanda's Cubbie EUQoP21qT74-01751-00426555-00426909 1904 to 1983 of Italy several other EUQoP21qT74-01752-00426910-00427089 Jesuits are known to have rescued or EUQoP21qT74-01753-00427089-00427281 given refuge to Jews during that period EUQoP21qT74-01754-00427282-00427674 a plaque commemorating the 152 Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01755-00427675-00427835 priests who gave of their lives during EUQoP21qT74-01756-00427837-00428039 the Holocaust was installed in April EUQoP21qT74-01757-00428041-00428283 2007 at the Jesuits Rockhurst University EUQoP21qT74-01758-00428284-00429096 in Kansas City Missouri United States EUQoP21qT74-01759-00429097-00429622 topic in science EUQoP21qT74-01760-00429622-00429808 between the sixteenth and eighteenth EUQoP21qT74-01761-00429809-00430039 centuries the teaching of Science in EUQoP21qT74-01762-00430039-00430234 Jesuit schools has laid down in the EUQoP21qT74-01763-00430235-00430471 ratio at qui institutio studi orem EUQoP21qT74-01764-00430472-00430768 societĂ  si es you the official plan of EUQoP21qT74-01765-00430768-00431080 studies for the Society of Jesus of 1599 EUQoP21qT74-01766-00431081-00431293 was almost entirely based on the works EUQoP21qT74-01767-00431293-00431533 of Aristotle asterisk translation of the EUQoP21qT74-01768-00431534-00431824 ratio studio room by Alan P Farrell SJ EUQoP21qT74-01769-00431825-00432262 available in PDF or HTML the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01770-00432263-00432433 nevertheless have made numerous EUQoP21qT74-01771-00432434-00432601 significant contributions to the EUQoP21qT74-01772-00432602-00432889 development of science for example the EUQoP21qT74-01773-00432889-00433110 Jesuits have dedicated significant study EUQoP21qT74-01774-00433112-00433333 to earthquakes and seismology has been EUQoP21qT74-01775-00433334-00433660 described as the Jesuit science the EUQoP21qT74-01776-00433660-00433831 Jesuits have been described as the EUQoP21qT74-01777-00433832-00434068 single most important contributor to EUQoP21qT74-01778-00434068-00434433 experimental physics in the 17th century EUQoP21qT74-01779-00434434-00434683 according to Jonathan Wright in his book EUQoP21qT74-01780-00434684-00434902 God's soldiers by the 18th century the EUQoP21qT74-01781-00434903-00435121 Jesuits had contributed to the EUQoP21qT74-01782-00435122-00435301 development of pendulum clocks EUQoP21qT74-01783-00435302-00435564 pantographs barometers reflecting EUQoP21qT74-01784-00435566-00435850 telescopes and microscopes to scientific EUQoP21qT74-01785-00435851-00436120 fields as various as magnetism optics EUQoP21qT74-01786-00436121-00436443 and electricity they observed in some EUQoP21qT74-01787-00436445-00436618 cases before anyone else EUQoP21qT74-01788-00436618-00436828 the colored bands on Jupiter's surface EUQoP21qT74-01789-00436829-00437142 the Andromeda nebula and Saturn's rings EUQoP21qT74-01790-00437143-00437446 they theorized about the circulation of EUQoP21qT74-01791-00437447-00437680 the blood independently of Harvey the EUQoP21qT74-01792-00437681-00437914 theoretical possibility of flight the EUQoP21qT74-01793-00437914-00438127 way the moon affected the tides and the EUQoP21qT74-01794-00438128-00438433 wave-like nature of light the Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01795-00438434-00438664 China missions of the 16th and 17th EUQoP21qT74-01796-00438664-00438883 centuries introduced Western science and EUQoP21qT74-01797-00438884-00439180 astronomy one modern historian writes EUQoP21qT74-01798-00439181-00439378 that in late Ming courts the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01799-00439379-00439588 were regarded as impressive especially EUQoP21qT74-01800-00439589-00439783 for their knowledge of astronomy EUQoP21qT74-01801-00439784-00440125 calendar making mathematics hydraulics EUQoP21qT74-01802-00440126-00440446 and geography the Society of Jesus EUQoP21qT74-01803-00440447-00440691 introduced according to Thomas Woods a EUQoP21qT74-01804-00440692-00440950 substantial body of scientific knowledge EUQoP21qT74-01805-00440951-00441202 and a vast array of mental tools for EUQoP21qT74-01806-00441203-00441379 understanding the physical universe EUQoP21qT74-01807-00441380-00441631 including the Euclidean geometry that EUQoP21qT74-01808-00441632-00441912 made planetary motion comprehensible EUQoP21qT74-01809-00441913-00442197 another expert quoted by Woods said the EUQoP21qT74-01810-00442199-00442372 Scientific Revolution brought by the EUQoP21qT74-01811-00442372-00442576 Jesuits coincided with a time when EUQoP21qT74-01812-00442577-00442951 science was at a very low level in China EUQoP21qT74-01813-00442952-00443299 you EUQoP21qT74-01814-00443300-00443854 topic notable members EUQoP21qT74-01815-00443855-00444104 notable Jesuits include missionaries EUQoP21qT74-01816-00444105-00444350 educators scientists artists EUQoP21qT74-01817-00444351-00444679 philosophers and Pope Francis among many EUQoP21qT74-01818-00444680-00444910 distinguished early Jesuits was Francis EUQoP21qT74-01819-00444911-00445114 Xavier a missionary to Asia who EUQoP21qT74-01820-00445115-00445321 converted more people to Catholicism EUQoP21qT74-01821-00445322-00445534 than anyone before and Robert Bellarmine EUQoP21qT74-01822-00445535-00445675 a doctor of the church EUQoP21qT74-01823-00445676-00445996 Jose de an kieta and Manuel de braga EUQoP21qT74-01824-00445997-00446215 founders of the city of Sao Paulo Brazil EUQoP21qT74-01825-00446216-00446521 were Jesuit priests another famous EUQoP21qT74-01826-00446522-00446755 Jesuit was Jean Dubreuil buff a French EUQoP21qT74-01827-00446756-00446929 missionary who was martyred during the EUQoP21qT74-01828-00446930-00447154 17th century in what was once New France EUQoP21qT74-01829-00447155-00447556 now Ontario in Canada in Spanish America EUQoP21qT74-01830-00447557-00447784 Jose de Costa wrote a major work on EUQoP21qT74-01831-00447785-00447991 early Peru and New Spain with important EUQoP21qT74-01832-00447992-00448285 material on indigenous peoples in South EUQoP21qT74-01833-00448286-00448546 America st. Peter Claver was notable for EUQoP21qT74-01834-00448547-00448741 his mission to African slaves building EUQoP21qT74-01835-00448742-00448959 on the work of alonso de sandoval EUQoP21qT74-01836-00448960-00449200 francisco javier Clabby hero was EUQoP21qT74-01837-00449201-00449356 expelled from New Spain during the EUQoP21qT74-01838-00449357-00449589 suppression of the Society of Jesus in EUQoP21qT74-01839-00449590-00449857 1767 and wrote an important history of EUQoP21qT74-01840-00449858-00450079 Mexico during his exile in Italy EUQoP21qT74-01841-00450080-00450316 Eusebio Kino is renowned in the EUQoP21qT74-01842-00450317-00450532 southwestern United States in northern EUQoP21qT74-01843-00450533-00450754 Mexico an area then called the poem area EUQoP21qT74-01844-00450755-00451027 Alta he founded numerous missions and EUQoP21qT74-01845-00451028-00451195 served as the peace bringer between the EUQoP21qT74-01846-00451196-00451395 tribes and the government of New Spain EUQoP21qT74-01847-00451396-00451702 Antonio Ruiz de Montoya was an important EUQoP21qT74-01848-00451703-00451900 missionary in the Jesuit reductions of EUQoP21qT74-01849-00451901-00452260 Paraguay Baltasar Gracian was a 17th EUQoP21qT74-01850-00452261-00452494 century Spanish Jesuit and baroque prose EUQoP21qT74-01851-00452495-00452764 writer and philosopher he was born in EUQoP21qT74-01852-00452765-00453037 Belmonte near Coolatta at Aragon his EUQoP21qT74-01853-00453038-00453361 writings particularly el critic on 1650 EUQoP21qT74-01854-00453362-00453631 one to seven and oraculo manuel y arte EUQoP21qT74-01855-00453632-00454036 de prudential the art of prudence 1647 EUQoP21qT74-01856-00454037-00454198 were lauded by Schopenhauer and EUQoP21qT74-01857-00454199-00454423 Nietzsche in Scotland EUQoP21qT74-01858-00454424-00454663 John Ogilvie Saint a Jesuit is the EUQoP21qT74-01859-00454664-00454957 nation's only made of Saint Cardinal EUQoP21qT74-01860-00454958-00455212 Jorge bergoglio of Argentina was elected EUQoP21qT74-01861-00455213-00455477 Pope Francis on the 13th of March 2013 EUQoP21qT74-01862-00455478-00455692 and is the first Jesuit to be elected EUQoP21qT74-01863-00455693-00455914 Pope gerard manley hopkins was one of EUQoP21qT74-01864-00455915-00456097 the first english poets to use sprung EUQoP21qT74-01865-00456098-00456385 verse Anthony de Mello was a Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01866-00456386-00456592 priest in psychotherapist who became EUQoP21qT74-01867-00456593-00456745 widely known for his books which EUQoP21qT74-01868-00456746-00456946 introduced Westerners to the east indian EUQoP21qT74-01869-00456947-00457163 traditions of spirituality EUQoP21qT74-01870-00457164-00457385 the Feast of all Jesuit Saints and EUQoP21qT74-01871-00457386-00458091 blessed is celebrated on November 5th EUQoP21qT74-01872-00458092-00458641 topic institutions EUQoP21qT74-01873-00458642-00458979 you EUQoP21qT74-01874-00458980-00459593 topic educational institutions EUQoP21qT74-01875-00459595-00459816 although the work of the Jesuits today EUQoP21qT74-01876-00459817-00460056 embraces a wide variety of apostolate EUQoP21qT74-01877-00460057-00460305 ministries and civil occupations they EUQoP21qT74-01878-00460306-00460470 are probably most well known for their EUQoP21qT74-01879-00460471-00460752 educational work since the inception of EUQoP21qT74-01880-00460753-00460922 the order Jesuits have been teachers EUQoP21qT74-01881-00460922-00461145 besides serving on the Faculty of EUQoP21qT74-01882-00461146-00461397 Catholic and secular schools the Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01883-00461397-00461571 are the Catholic religious order with EUQoP21qT74-01884-00461572-00461739 the second highest number of schools EUQoP21qT74-01885-00461739-00462072 which they run 168 tertiary institutions EUQoP21qT74-01886-00462072-00462363 in 40 countries and 324 secondary EUQoP21qT74-01887-00462364-00462666 schools in 55 countries the Brothers of EUQoP21qT74-01888-00462667-00462947 the Christian schools have over 560 EUQoP21qT74-01889-00462949-00463188 Lasallian educational institutions they EUQoP21qT74-01890-00463189-00463368 also run elementary schools at which EUQoP21qT74-01891-00463368-00463626 they are less likely to teach many of EUQoP21qT74-01892-00463627-00463797 the schools are named after Francis EUQoP21qT74-01893-00463797-00464060 Xavier and other prominent Jesuits EUQoP21qT74-01894-00464060-00464355 Jesuit educational institutions aim to EUQoP21qT74-01895-00464356-00464496 promote the values of eloquentia EUQoP21qT74-01896-00464497-00464766 perfecta this is a Jesuit tradition that EUQoP21qT74-01897-00464767-00464970 focuses on cultivating a person as a EUQoP21qT74-01898-00464971-00465156 whole as one learns to speak and write EUQoP21qT74-01899-00465157-00465725 for the common good EUQoP21qT74-01900-00465726-00465985 topic social and development EUQoP21qT74-01901-00465987-00466357 institutions EUQoP21qT74-01902-00466358-00466631 since the Second Vatican Council and EUQoP21qT74-01903-00466632-00466805 their own general congregations which EUQoP21qT74-01904-00466806-00466960 followed it Jesuits have become EUQoP21qT74-01905-00466962-00467180 increasingly involved in works directed EUQoP21qT74-01906-00467181-00467393 primarily towards social and economic EUQoP21qT74-01907-00467393-00467522 development for the poor and EUQoP21qT74-01908-00467522-00467797 marginalized included in this would be EUQoP21qT74-01909-00467798-00468047 researched training advocacy an action EUQoP21qT74-01910-00468047-00468251 for human development as well as direct EUQoP21qT74-01911-00468252-00468542 services most Jesuit schools have an EUQoP21qT74-01912-00468543-00468758 office that fosters social awareness and EUQoP21qT74-01913-00468759-00468941 social service in the classroom and EUQoP21qT74-01914-00468942-00469133 through extracurricular programs usually EUQoP21qT74-01915-00469134-00469301 detailed on their websites EUQoP21qT74-01916-00469302-00469658 the Jesuits also run over 500 notable or EUQoP21qT74-01917-00469659-00469799 standalone social or economic EUQoP21qT74-01918-00469800-00470033 development centers in 56 countries EUQoP21qT74-01919-00470034-00470335 around the world since the Second EUQoP21qT74-01920-00470337-00470546 Vatican Council Jesuits have founded EUQoP21qT74-01921-00470547-00470747 many schools with the special purpose of EUQoP21qT74-01922-00470747-00470930 serving the poor or marginalized as EUQoP21qT74-01923-00470931-00471146 among the Dalits in India and the Cristo EUQoP21qT74-01924-00471147-00471827 Rey Network in the United States EUQoP21qT74-01925-00471828-00472379 topic publications EUQoP21qT74-01926-00472380-00472577 Jesuits are also known for their EUQoP21qT74-01927-00472578-00472787 involvement in publications bless EUQoP21qT74-01928-00472788-00472997 Seville Takuto Lika a periodical EUQoP21qT74-01929-00472997-00473201 produced in Rome by the Jesuits has EUQoP21qT74-01930-00473202-00473357 often been used as a semi-official EUQoP21qT74-01931-00473358-00473555 platform for Pope's and Vatican EUQoP21qT74-01932-00473556-00473774 officials to float ideas for discussion EUQoP21qT74-01933-00473775-00473927 or hint at future statements or EUQoP21qT74-01934-00473928-00474242 positions in the United States America EUQoP21qT74-01935-00474243-00474439 magazine has long had a prominent place EUQoP21qT74-01936-00474441-00474728 in Catholic intellectual circles most EUQoP21qT74-01937-00474729-00474953 Jesuit colleges and universities have EUQoP21qT74-01938-00474954-00475114 their own presses which produce a EUQoP21qT74-01939-00475116-00475370 variety of books book series textbooks EUQoP21qT74-01940-00475371-00475688 and academic publications Ignatius press EUQoP21qT74-01941-00475689-00475931 founded by a Jesuit is an independent EUQoP21qT74-01942-00475932-00476135 publisher of Catholic books most of EUQoP21qT74-01943-00476135-00476333 which are the popular academic or lay EUQoP21qT74-01944-00476334-00476657 intellectual variety in Australia the EUQoP21qT74-01945-00476658-00476858 Jesuits produce a number of magazines EUQoP21qT74-01946-00476859-00477017 including Eureka Street EUQoP21qT74-01947-00477018-00477214 Madonna Australian Catholics and EUQoP21qT74-01948-00477216-00477554 Provence Express in Sweden the Catholic EUQoP21qT74-01949-00477555-00477764 cultural magazine Signum edited by the EUQoP21qT74-01950-00477764-00477968 Newman Institute covers a broad spectrum EUQoP21qT74-01951-00477968-00478189 of issues concerning faith culture EUQoP21qT74-01952-00478191-00478510 research and society the printed version EUQoP21qT74-01953-00478512-00478691 of Signum is published eight times per EUQoP21qT74-01954-00478692-00478918 year in addition there is an up-to-date EUQoP21qT74-01955-00478920-00479312 website WWC embassy containing an EUQoP21qT74-01956-00479313-00479609 article archive dating from 1975 to the EUQoP21qT74-01957-00479610-00480150 present EUQoP21qT74-01958-00480151-00480729 topic in popular culture EUQoP21qT74-01959-00480730-00480999 the character father Mulcahy is a Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01960-00481000-00481257 priest in the novel film and TV show M EUQoP21qT74-01961-00481258-00481614 asterisk a sh franchise the character EUQoP21qT74-01962-00481614-00481833 Damien Karras is a Jesuit priest from EUQoP21qT74-01963-00481834-00482106 the book and film The Exorcist the EUQoP21qT74-01964-00482107-00482322 Jesuits are the antagonists in the novel EUQoP21qT74-01965-00482322-00482706 and TV miniseries Shogun the 1986 EUQoP21qT74-01966-00482707-00482868 British drama filmed the mission EUQoP21qT74-01967-00482868-00483057 revolves around the experiences of a EUQoP21qT74-01968-00483058-00483291 Jesuit missionary in 18th century South EUQoP21qT74-01969-00483292-00483668 America Antonio Banderas plays a Jesuit EUQoP21qT74-01970-00483670-00484043 priest in the 2001 film the body Edgar EUQoP21qT74-01971-00484045-00484338 Ramirez plays a Jesuit priest in 2014 EUQoP21qT74-01972-00484339-00484683 film deliver us from evil the 2016 EUQoP21qT74-01973-00484684-00484935 Martin Scorsese film silence is based on EUQoP21qT74-01974-00484935-00485157 two Jesuit priests who traveled to Japan EUQoP21qT74-01975-00485158-00485421 to spread Christianity the main EUQoP21qT74-01976-00485422-00485745 protagonist in James Blish is 1958 novel EUQoP21qT74-01977-00485746-00486029 a case of conscience as a Jesuit priest EUQoP21qT74-01978-00486030-00486312 Aramis has made Superior General of the EUQoP21qT74-01979-00486313-00486558 Jesuits in Alexandre Dumas Amman in the EUQoP21qT74-01980-00486559-00487056 iron mask 1850 Mary Doria Russell's 1996 EUQoP21qT74-01981-00487057-00487299 novel the sparrow follows a Jesuit space EUQoP21qT74-01982-00487300-00487467 mission to make contact with a newfound EUQoP21qT74-01983-00487468-00487680 planet the majority of the characters EUQoP21qT74-01984-00487681-00488016 are Jesuits Angelo Cardenal men Dhoni is 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audience is out there they're the ones EVg5HjJn9Lo-00062-00015950-00016312 that you have to reach reach right and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00063-00016313-00016644 to reach them you have to know what it EVg5HjJn9Lo-00064-00016645-00016918 is that they do what they like how they EVg5HjJn9Lo-00065-00016919-00017103 use the platform and all that so the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00066-00017104-00017314 first step is to understand what you do EVg5HjJn9Lo-00067-00017315-00017482 using the platform how you use the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00068-00017483-00017805 platform what is this how would you know EVg5HjJn9Lo-00069-00017806-00018000 how the platform works you have to EVg5HjJn9Lo-00070-00018001-00018283 understand how other people are using it EVg5HjJn9Lo-00071-00018284-00018555 but the first step is like I said it's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00072-00018556-00018808 just going in there starting going for EVg5HjJn9Lo-00073-00018809-00019155 it doing it going to start to post EVg5HjJn9Lo-00074-00019156-00019455 content that it's like I said it's a EVg5HjJn9Lo-00075-00019456-00019597 little bit more complicated and than EVg5HjJn9Lo-00076-00019598-00019906 just doing it so what I'm going to do is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00077-00019907-00020019 I'm going to share my screen here I'm EVg5HjJn9Lo-00078-00020020-00020224 gonna show you a few things that have to EVg5HjJn9Lo-00079-00020225-00020478 do with what I'm doing and we're gonna EVg5HjJn9Lo-00080-00020479-00020805 show you a little bit of what to expect EVg5HjJn9Lo-00081-00020806-00021081 on the platform so if let's just start EVg5HjJn9Lo-00082-00021082-00021300 with Facebook let me just go here to why EVg5HjJn9Lo-00083-00021301-00021514 well actually let's just go to Facebook EVg5HjJn9Lo-00084-00021515-00021712 right let's just go to Facebook let's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00085-00021713-00021975 share the screen here yeah so you're on EVg5HjJn9Lo-00086-00021976-00022261 Facebook right you have a profile the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00087-00022262-00022431 first thing you want to do is you want 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EVg5HjJn9Lo-00101-00025081-00025321 picture that is of you not a profile EVg5HjJn9Lo-00102-00025322-00025561 picture of your dog or even you and your EVg5HjJn9Lo-00103-00025562-00025839 wife are you and your husband just you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00104-00025841-00026056 because when people look at your profile EVg5HjJn9Lo-00105-00026057-00026233 date you want them to know who you are EVg5HjJn9Lo-00106-00026233-00026473 right that it's you that's your profile EVg5HjJn9Lo-00107-00026474-00026535 now EVg5HjJn9Lo-00108-00026536-00026889 cover photo on Facebook is particular in EVg5HjJn9Lo-00109-00026889-00027071 the sense that its Facebook is very EVg5HjJn9Lo-00110-00027072-00027386 social very very its non-business EVg5HjJn9Lo-00111-00027387-00027620 oriented so it's got to be a personal EVg5HjJn9Lo-00112-00027621-00027810 thing it's got to be maybe your family EVg5HjJn9Lo-00113-00027811-00027995 that is where you may might have a EVg5HjJn9Lo-00114-00027996-00028251 picture of your dog or your house you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00115-00028252-00028430 know those kinds of things but it has to EVg5HjJn9Lo-00116-00028431-00028661 kind of represent you as a person now if EVg5HjJn9Lo-00117-00028662-00028860 you go through my if you go through my EVg5HjJn9Lo-00118-00028861-00029174 profile Mike cover photos I've always EVg5HjJn9Lo-00119-00029175-00029424 posted family pictures right that's what EVg5HjJn9Lo-00120-00029425-00029817 I've been posting on on my timeline on EVg5HjJn9Lo-00121-00029818-00030065 my profile right these pictures of my EVg5HjJn9Lo-00122-00030066-00030470 family so and let's close this this is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00123-00030471-00030852 they change the okay so and and then the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00124-00030852-00031229 thing is that when you go to your EVg5HjJn9Lo-00125-00031230-00031470 profile pictures same thing it should be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00126-00031470-00031637 a profile picture of you Rachel for me EVg5HjJn9Lo-00127-00031638-00031818 I've done the profile picture for a long EVg5HjJn9Lo-00128-00031819-00032018 time it's been the same profile picture EVg5HjJn9Lo-00129-00032019-00032321 for a while and probably I should be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00130-00032322-00032445 changing it but the thing is that you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00131-00032445-00032580 got to be careful not to change it too EVg5HjJn9Lo-00132-00032581-00032901 often because it's got to be represents EVg5HjJn9Lo-00133-00032902-00033183 who you are and the other thing is we EVg5HjJn9Lo-00134-00033184-00033386 talked about going on multiple different EVg5HjJn9Lo-00135-00033387-00033570 platforms you should have the same EVg5HjJn9Lo-00136-00033571-00033737 profile picture on all of them because EVg5HjJn9Lo-00137-00033738-00033893 you want people to recognize you when EVg5HjJn9Lo-00138-00033894-00034133 they're going from one to the other the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00139-00034134-00034262 other thing is you want to make sure you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00140-00034263-00034551 have decent I mean in my case I got a EVg5HjJn9Lo-00141-00034552-00034805 lot of jobs in there maybe I don't need EVg5HjJn9Lo-00142-00034806-00034952 that many but it's got to make sure you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00143-00034953-00035124 have some jobs in there that kind of let EVg5HjJn9Lo-00144-00035125-00035264 people know what you're about what are EVg5HjJn9Lo-00145-00035265-00035499 you doing you're in your life not not EVg5HjJn9Lo-00146-00035500-00035561 your business EVg5HjJn9Lo-00147-00035562-00035823 sure you should have something on here EVg5HjJn9Lo-00148-00035824-00036126 that talks about what you do like for me EVg5HjJn9Lo-00149-00036127-00036318 I put helping attraction marketers right EVg5HjJn9Lo-00150-00036319-00036590 that kind of thing that's in my profile EVg5HjJn9Lo-00151-00036591-00036867 there as to what I do online but there's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00152-00036868-00037082 my jobs in here to my family that kind EVg5HjJn9Lo-00153-00037083-00037476 of stuff my blog my pages my links other EVg5HjJn9Lo-00154-00037477-00037686 social media platforms Augusta now the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00155-00037687-00037940 other thing is you want to have a series EVg5HjJn9Lo-00156-00037941-00038118 of pictures on Facebook that represents EVg5HjJn9Lo-00157-00038119-00038471 you as a as a you know personally right EVg5HjJn9Lo-00158-00038472-00038639 and this is kind of the same thing I've EVg5HjJn9Lo-00159-00038640-00038780 done here most of the pictures here are EVg5HjJn9Lo-00160-00038781-00039077 pictures with the kids and my wife and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00161-00039078-00039251 then of course this is you don't control EVg5HjJn9Lo-00162-00039252-00039383 this this is just pictures that you're EVg5HjJn9Lo-00163-00039384-00039557 tagged in so whatever it is you post EVg5HjJn9Lo-00164-00039558-00039730 regularly right and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00165-00039731-00039916 you should have things in your timeline EVg5HjJn9Lo-00166-00039917-00040231 that you know your audience would be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00167-00040232-00040477 interested in right in my case it's my EVg5HjJn9Lo-00168-00040478-00040669 family right my family life and some EVg5HjJn9Lo-00169-00040670-00040825 other things in here that I post once a EVg5HjJn9Lo-00170-00040826-00041023 while like for example this morning I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00171-00041024-00041521 posted last Friday's episode which has EVg5HjJn9Lo-00172-00041522-00041728 to do with with this right job I do post EVg5HjJn9Lo-00173-00041729-00041971 these things on my timeline as well just EVg5HjJn9Lo-00174-00041972-00042130 to let people know that you know this is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00175-00042131-00042382 the stuff I do as a business you got to EVg5HjJn9Lo-00176-00042383-00042649 be careful to not have just business EVg5HjJn9Lo-00177-00042650-00042913 stuff on Facebook especially Facebook if EVg5HjJn9Lo-00178-00042914-00043141 you go to other platforms like for EVg5HjJn9Lo-00179-00043142-00043279 example you know we're talking about EVg5HjJn9Lo-00180-00043280-00043546 other platforms like like like LinkedIn EVg5HjJn9Lo-00181-00043547-00043777 for example LinkedIn is a little bit of EVg5HjJn9Lo-00182-00043778-00044071 a different beast right because LinkedIn EVg5HjJn9Lo-00183-00044072-00044389 is just show you here I go back to EVg5HjJn9Lo-00184-00044390-00044719 LinkedIn let's just do that I'm kind of EVg5HjJn9Lo-00185-00044720-00044902 doing open I'm not stopping the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00186-00044903-00045109 recording one of the things I found is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00187-00045110-00045511 recently my my recordings have stopped EVg5HjJn9Lo-00188-00045512-00045766 whenever I was okay so LinkedIn let me EVg5HjJn9Lo-00189-00045767-00046081 go back here share the screen again yeah EVg5HjJn9Lo-00190-00046082-00046399 so unlinked in your profile needs to be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00191-00046400-00046603 a little bit more business driven right EVg5HjJn9Lo-00192-00046604-00046861 for me I've got this cover photo that I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00193-00046862-00047080 share amongst all my other social media EVg5HjJn9Lo-00194-00047081-00047290 platforms because everything else that I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00195-00047291-00047467 do on social media is more about a EVg5HjJn9Lo-00196-00047468-00047662 business it's not really a personal EVg5HjJn9Lo-00197-00047663-00047959 thing and you know you can see that I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00198-00047960-00048124 have this if you go to the Twitter if EVg5HjJn9Lo-00199-00048125-00048319 you go to other platforms you'll see the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00200-00048320-00048478 same cover photo the same profile EVg5HjJn9Lo-00201-00048479-00048898 picture here and in LinkedIn you're EVg5HjJn9Lo-00202-00048899-00049084 professional so you want to have you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00203-00049085-00049234 want to make sure that your jobs are EVg5HjJn9Lo-00204-00049235-00049546 here they they are they are well well EVg5HjJn9Lo-00205-00049547-00050026 shown and what you do it's more or less EVg5HjJn9Lo-00206-00050027-00050412 like a job resume rate for in LinkedIn EVg5HjJn9Lo-00207-00050413-00050650 so that's one of the things but you know EVg5HjJn9Lo-00208-00050651-00050851 the thing is that whatever you whatever EVg5HjJn9Lo-00209-00050852-00051057 you do let me just go back to this this EVg5HjJn9Lo-00210-00051058-00051433 screen here yeah so whatever you do EVg5HjJn9Lo-00211-00051434-00051687 online right whatever you do online is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00212-00051688-00052144 more about helping people it's not about EVg5HjJn9Lo-00213-00052145-00052309 trying to tell them about what you do EVg5HjJn9Lo-00214-00052310-00052612 about your business like me I post these EVg5HjJn9Lo-00215-00052613-00052909 videos these audios these episodes and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00216-00052910-00053119 if you're listening to this on a podcast EVg5HjJn9Lo-00217-00053120-00053466 it's all about helping you to know what EVg5HjJn9Lo-00218-00053467-00053671 you need to do right I'm trying to help EVg5HjJn9Lo-00219-00053672-00053944 you I mean sure in the long term I hope EVg5HjJn9Lo-00220-00053945-00054097 that this is going to generate some EVg5HjJn9Lo-00221-00054098-00054226 income for me and that kind of stuff but EVg5HjJn9Lo-00222-00054227-00054429 the the first priority is you have to be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00223-00054430-00054627 helping people so say for example you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00224-00054628-00054997 you have a restaurant right and right EVg5HjJn9Lo-00225-00054998-00055369 now with the coded 19 you can't you're EVg5HjJn9Lo-00226-00055370-00055609 your dining room is closed because of EVg5HjJn9Lo-00227-00055610-00055750 the you know because of the social EVg5HjJn9Lo-00228-00055751-00056074 distancing thing right so you still need EVg5HjJn9Lo-00229-00056075-00056362 to find customers and until now it's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00230-00056363-00056647 been people driving by or maybe ads on EVg5HjJn9Lo-00231-00056648-00056841 their radio or things like that but now EVg5HjJn9Lo-00232-00056842-00057028 you're trying to go to social media to EVg5HjJn9Lo-00233-00057029-00057334 find people well what do you what can EVg5HjJn9Lo-00234-00057335-00057553 you do as a restaurant owner to help EVg5HjJn9Lo-00235-00057554-00057739 people right I mean you can start EVg5HjJn9Lo-00236-00057740-00057958 talking about the kinds of things that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00237-00057959-00058288 people get from going to your restaurant EVg5HjJn9Lo-00238-00058289-00058519 you know maybe maybe they have some EVg5HjJn9Lo-00239-00058520-00058675 extra time with their family because EVg5HjJn9Lo-00240-00058676-00058951 there because them getting a meal from EVg5HjJn9Lo-00241-00058952-00059074 your restaurant getting it delivered EVg5HjJn9Lo-00242-00059075-00059233 they don't have to worry about cooking EVg5HjJn9Lo-00243-00059234-00059446 thereafter they can spend time doing EVg5HjJn9Lo-00244-00059447-00059686 other things right you're helping them EVg5HjJn9Lo-00245-00059687-00059929 with their personal lives with their and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00246-00059929-00060199 maybe this is not a good example because EVg5HjJn9Lo-00247-00060200-00060484 trying to build a business online you're EVg5HjJn9Lo-00248-00060485-00060661 really going to be trying to sell EVg5HjJn9Lo-00249-00060662-00060865 digital goods right digital things or EVg5HjJn9Lo-00250-00060866-00061027 you're gonna want to promote other EVg5HjJn9Lo-00251-00061028-00061234 people's things and maybe we're getting EVg5HjJn9Lo-00252-00061235-00061486 into a different topic here but to start EVg5HjJn9Lo-00253-00061487-00061804 it's all about getting a presence online EVg5HjJn9Lo-00254-00061804-00062065 that people will be able to connect with EVg5HjJn9Lo-00255-00062066-00062227 you and you're gonna be able to connect EVg5HjJn9Lo-00256-00062228-00062425 with them so if we go back to say EVg5HjJn9Lo-00257-00062426-00062641 Facebook let's go back to Facebook here EVg5HjJn9Lo-00258-00062641-00062977 let me share that again over here so you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00259-00062978-00063178 know the thing is that on Facebook let's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00260-00063179-00063514 say I go to that home which is basically EVg5HjJn9Lo-00261-00063515-00063829 the newsfeed right and it's loading up EVg5HjJn9Lo-00262-00063829-00064024 here let's just let it finish load up EVg5HjJn9Lo-00263-00064025-00064402 not sure about there you go so when you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00264-00064403-00064570 go through the newsfeed one of the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00265-00064571-00064726 things is that one of the things you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00266-00064727-00064891 have to realize is that when you post EVg5HjJn9Lo-00267-00064891-00065176 things on Facebook doesn't matter how EVg5HjJn9Lo-00268-00065177-00065466 many friends you have Facebook is going EVg5HjJn9Lo-00269-00065467-00065740 to show whatever you post to people that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00270-00065741-00066019 Facebook thinks is interested in what EVg5HjJn9Lo-00271-00066020-00066186 you're posting EVg5HjJn9Lo-00272-00066187-00066342 they're also going to reward you for EVg5HjJn9Lo-00273-00066343-00066717 being a good social media person right EVg5HjJn9Lo-00274-00066718-00066980 somebody who uses social media who is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00275-00066981-00067386 there who is engaging with other people EVg5HjJn9Lo-00276-00067387-00067542 who is liking things so if I scroll EVg5HjJn9Lo-00277-00067543-00067698 through the newsfeed and I just look at EVg5HjJn9Lo-00278-00067699-00067875 these things I just look at these EVg5HjJn9Lo-00279-00067876-00068142 pictures I see pictures of people and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00280-00068143-00068346 I'm like okay well this is a person here EVg5HjJn9Lo-00281-00068347-00068517 that's a person there that's a post here EVg5HjJn9Lo-00282-00068518-00068706 there's a there's Giulia posting EVg5HjJn9Lo-00283-00068707-00068856 something oh that's all great I'm EVg5HjJn9Lo-00284-00068857-00069135 enjoying going through the newsfeed and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00285-00069136-00069305 looking at what people are doing right EVg5HjJn9Lo-00286-00069306-00069693 and I'm just just that's all I do EVg5HjJn9Lo-00287-00069694-00069942 right well whenever I post something and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00288-00069943-00070272 if you were to look at my posts you'll EVg5HjJn9Lo-00289-00070273-00070632 see that I'm not super super active on EVg5HjJn9Lo-00290-00070633-00071045 Facebook because I posted this right if EVg5HjJn9Lo-00291-00071046-00071250 well that's just four hours ago that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00292-00071251-00071459 probably doesn't count but I posted this EVg5HjJn9Lo-00293-00071460-00071889 mate second which was last Friday and I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00294-00071890-00072137 had I have eleven comments right and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00295-00072138-00072555 what is it 18 19 20 people can't react EVg5HjJn9Lo-00296-00072556-00072776 it to it right and if I scroll down here EVg5HjJn9Lo-00297-00072777-00072969 and look at this one here this one here EVg5HjJn9Lo-00298-00072970-00073226 there was only three people well 3 4 5 EVg5HjJn9Lo-00299-00073227-00073503 people that engage or liked it EVg5HjJn9Lo-00300-00073504-00073785 no comments right and this one here is EVg5HjJn9Lo-00301-00073786-00074091 29 comments which is a lot of comments EVg5HjJn9Lo-00302-00074092-00074265 but that's probably because Facebook EVg5HjJn9Lo-00303-00074266-00074676 loves 3d photos and 45 look at that 45 EVg5HjJn9Lo-00304-00074677-00074862 people that didn't reacted right same EVg5HjJn9Lo-00305-00074863-00075026 thing with this 3d picture there's only EVg5HjJn9Lo-00306-00075027-00075284 7 comments with its food not a sunset EVg5HjJn9Lo-00307-00075285-00075543 but then the point is the point that I'm EVg5HjJn9Lo-00308-00075544-00075687 trying to make here is that when you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00309-00075688-00076011 look at Facebook when you're posting on EVg5HjJn9Lo-00310-00076012-00076221 Facebook you have to be engaging with EVg5HjJn9Lo-00311-00076222-00076368 people you have to be connecting with EVg5HjJn9Lo-00312-00076369-00076712 people you have to be you know EVg5HjJn9Lo-00313-00076713-00076974 commenting on what people are doing like EVg5HjJn9Lo-00314-00076975-00077217 for example my friend man here as you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00315-00077218-00077472 can see she's got 16 that's two days ago EVg5HjJn9Lo-00316-00077473-00077744 not two days a day ago she she's got EVg5HjJn9Lo-00317-00077745-00077928 only four engagements right that's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00318-00077929-00078147 because probably she's not super active EVg5HjJn9Lo-00319-00078148-00078498 on Facebook but if I like her post and I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00320-00078499-00079146 comment this this is awesome awesome I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00321-00079147-00079409 just watch just put that like this EVg5HjJn9Lo-00322-00079410-00079586 and maybe I go in here and I post EVg5HjJn9Lo-00323-00079587-00079766 replied to this EVg5HjJn9Lo-00324-00079767-00080054 Joey's coming here actually better after EVg5HjJn9Lo-00325-00080055-00081193 lockdown and I'm just gonna like this EVg5HjJn9Lo-00326-00081194-00081479 right so I'm just gonna post that and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00327-00081480-00081818 I'm just gonna you know say that so as EVg5HjJn9Lo-00328-00081819-00082112 I'm engaging Facebook is noticing that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00329-00082113-00082289 I'm engaging that I'm doing things that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00330-00082290-00082463 I mean and interacting with people EVg5HjJn9Lo-00331-00082464-00082619 because there's a rule called EVg5HjJn9Lo-00332-00082620-00082856 reciprocity that is happening on social EVg5HjJn9Lo-00333-00082857-00083078 media it happens in life too but in EVg5HjJn9Lo-00334-00083079-00083260 social media they're actually using your EVg5HjJn9Lo-00335-00083261-00083648 activity to to reward you for showing EVg5HjJn9Lo-00336-00083649-00083810 your stuff to other people I have like EVg5HjJn9Lo-00337-00083811-00083999 almost five I have 4,000 and some EVg5HjJn9Lo-00338-00084000-00084200 friends and when I post something I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00339-00084201-00084410 still just get 10 20 people to see it EVg5HjJn9Lo-00340-00084411-00084698 why is that because I'm not super active EVg5HjJn9Lo-00341-00084699-00084902 and super engaged on Facebook um I'm EVg5HjJn9Lo-00342-00084903-00085157 doing lots of things if I was to spend EVg5HjJn9Lo-00343-00085158-00085448 maybe 15 minutes every single day and be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00344-00085449-00085643 consistent with that it would increase EVg5HjJn9Lo-00345-00085644-00085889 and I'm probably gonna maybe do that at EVg5HjJn9Lo-00346-00085890-00086066 some point but right now I'm not too EVg5HjJn9Lo-00347-00086067-00086186 worried about it but I'm telling you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00348-00086187-00086501 about that when you get started you're EVg5HjJn9Lo-00349-00086502-00086639 gonna be rewarded just because you're EVg5HjJn9Lo-00350-00086640-00086783 starting because you're doing things but EVg5HjJn9Lo-00351-00086784-00087041 over time it's gonna go based on your EVg5HjJn9Lo-00352-00087042-00087311 activity based on your content that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00353-00087312-00087488 you're creating but also based on your EVg5HjJn9Lo-00354-00087489-00087701 interaction and engagement with other EVg5HjJn9Lo-00355-00087702-00087962 people's things right that's kind of how EVg5HjJn9Lo-00356-00087963-00088148 it works and it's the same on LinkedIn EVg5HjJn9Lo-00357-00088149-00088316 it's the same on every other platform EVg5HjJn9Lo-00358-00088317-00088460 it's all about you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00359-00088461-00088793 being consistent and you commenting on EVg5HjJn9Lo-00360-00088794-00089006 people's things and then seeing your EVg5HjJn9Lo-00361-00089007-00089252 stuff because they'll see your stuff if EVg5HjJn9Lo-00362-00089253-00089864 you are you know seeing their stuff EVg5HjJn9Lo-00363-00089865-00090029 they'll see your stuff if you see and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00364-00090030-00090377 engage in their stuff and it's not a one EVg5HjJn9Lo-00365-00090378-00090545 for one thing I don't that's not what I EVg5HjJn9Lo-00366-00090546-00090689 mean it doesn't mean that if you engage EVg5HjJn9Lo-00367-00090690-00090977 on friend a a stuff friend a is gonna EVg5HjJn9Lo-00368-00090978-00091097 see your stuff although that does EVg5HjJn9Lo-00369-00091098-00091393 usually happen but it's more about EVg5HjJn9Lo-00370-00091394-00091658 you're gonna like say for example you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00371-00091659-00092084 post a 3d picture and you and the people EVg5HjJn9Lo-00372-00092085-00092243 that are gonna see your 3d picture in EVg5HjJn9Lo-00373-00092244-00092387 their timeline are people that have EVg5HjJn9Lo-00374-00092388-00092576 engaged with other people's 3d pictures EVg5HjJn9Lo-00375-00092577-00092756 it's people that in EVg5HjJn9Lo-00376-00092757-00092956 with 3d pictures so if you're doing EVg5HjJn9Lo-00377-00092957-00093100 alive you want people to see your lives EVg5HjJn9Lo-00378-00093101-00093230 you've got to engage with other people's EVg5HjJn9Lo-00379-00093231-00093422 lives if you're doing just posts of EVg5HjJn9Lo-00380-00093423-00093613 pictures of a sunset you can engage with EVg5HjJn9Lo-00381-00093614-00093791 other people's posts of pictures if EVg5HjJn9Lo-00382-00093792-00093974 you're engaging if you want if you want EVg5HjJn9Lo-00383-00093975-00094190 to create a super long post what they EVg5HjJn9Lo-00384-00094191-00094657 call it a long text post you have to be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00385-00094658-00094807 engaged and you want people to see it EVg5HjJn9Lo-00386-00094808-00094981 and engage with it you have to be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00387-00094982-00095212 engaging in long text posts of other EVg5HjJn9Lo-00388-00095213-00095506 people's friends and the way that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00389-00095507-00095672 Facebook works too is that as you engage EVg5HjJn9Lo-00390-00095673-00095875 on things you'll start seeing more of EVg5HjJn9Lo-00391-00095876-00096124 those similar things in your newsfeed EVg5HjJn9Lo-00392-00096125-00096380 anyways I hope this helps this is kind EVg5HjJn9Lo-00393-00096381-00096578 of how you get started how do you get EVg5HjJn9Lo-00394-00096579-00096974 started online like I said you start EVg5HjJn9Lo-00395-00096975-00097174 just start just start doing it just do EVg5HjJn9Lo-00396-00097175-00097418 it just start something right it can be EVg5HjJn9Lo-00397-00097419-00097576 Facebook Twitter Instagram LinkedIn EVg5HjJn9Lo-00398-00097577-00097811 whatever platforms you're on start that EVg5HjJn9Lo-00399-00097812-00097963 platform if you're interested in EVg5HjJn9Lo-00400-00097964-00098312 learning how to do certain platforms and EVg5HjJn9Lo-00401-00098313-00098524 you're not really sure I certainly can EVg5HjJn9Lo-00402-00098525-00098696 provide you training with any of the EVg5HjJn9Lo-00403-00098697-00098861 platforms I have access to lots of free EVg5HjJn9Lo-00404-00098862-00099106 training I can send you you can just EVg5HjJn9Lo-00405-00099107-00099337 send me a message or comment and you EVg5HjJn9Lo-00406-00099338-00099467 know having let's have a conversation EVg5HjJn9Lo-00407-00099468-00099688 see what is it that you need I'm gonna EVg5HjJn9Lo-00408-00099689-00099860 help you with what whatever I can help 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EVG4j03xTTy-00010-00039160-00040927 protect the stabilization EVG4j03xTTy-00011-00040928-00041174 the proposal is opening for discussion EVG4j03xTTy-00012-00041175-00041718 and will be submitted in three days EVG4j03xTTy-00013-00041719-00041927 submitted EVG4j03xTTy-00014-00041928-00042079 a discussion EVG4j03xTTy-00015-00042080-00042312 will review EVTm3vSjfKg-00000-00000046-00000361 Bharat biotech is an Indian EVTm3vSjfKg-00001-00000362-00000644 biotechnology company headquartered in EVTm3vSjfKg-00002-00000645-00001075 Hyderabad India the company was founded EVTm3vSjfKg-00003-00001076-00001472 by Indian scientist Krishna ala Bharat EVTm3vSjfKg-00004-00001473-00001712 biotech has a pharmaceutical EVTm3vSjfKg-00005-00001713-00001946 manufacturing plant in the asia-pacific EVTm3vSjfKg-00006-00001947-00002284 region parts of which are leased out to EVTm3vSjfKg-00007-00002285-00002700 other pharmaceutical companies EVTm3vSjfKg-00008-00002701-00003025 topic history and operations Bharat EVTm3vSjfKg-00009-00003026-00003370 biotech is the first biopharma facility EVTm3vSjfKg-00010-00003371-00003634 in india to be audited and approved by EVTm3vSjfKg-00011-00003635-00003929 korean food and drugs administration EVTm3vSjfKg-00012-00003930-00004054 KFDA EVTm3vSjfKg-00013-00004054-00004518 at genome valley hyderabad the company EVTm3vSjfKg-00014-00004519-00004893 reported in early february 2016 that it EVTm3vSjfKg-00015-00004894-00005164 had made vaccines for Zika virus and EVTm3vSjfKg-00016-00005165-00005397 were the first company to patent them EVTm3vSjfKg-00017-00005398-00005736 globally the company claimed that it had EVTm3vSjfKg-00018-00005737-00006088 two vaccine candidates one live and the EVTm3vSjfKg-00019-00006089-00006307 other a recombinant type viral EVTm3vSjfKg-00020-00006308-00006706 medication it also had filed a global EVTm3vSjfKg-00021-00006706-00007084 patent in June 2015 for its vaccine to EVTm3vSjfKg-00022-00007084-00007375 be called as the Zika vac it landed into EVTm3vSjfKg-00023-00007376-00007620 controversy after it was accused of EVTm3vSjfKg-00024-00007622-00007903 importing live viruses without proper EVTm3vSjfKg-00025-00007904-00008257 government approval in 2018 Bharat EVTm3vSjfKg-00026-00008258-00008587 biotechs diarrhoea vaccine rotovac EVTm3vSjfKg-00027-00008588-00008895 received pre-qualification from the EVTm3vSjfKg-00028-00008896-00009328 w-h-o later the company received the EVTm3vSjfKg-00029-00009329-00009577 National Technology Award for the EVTm3vSjfKg-00030-00009578-00010198 vaccine EVTm3vSjfKg-00031-00010199-00011148 topic gallery EVTm3vSjfKg-00032-00011149-00011569 topic C also EVTm3vSjfKg-00033-00011570-00011754 you EVTm3vSjfKg-00034-00011755-00012331 genome Valley Zika virus EWhI9-8dGh0-00000-00000049-00000386 Bale mountains national park BM NP is a EWhI9-8dGh0-00001-00000387-00000672 national park of Ethiopia the park EWhI9-8dGh0-00002-00000673-00000848 encompasses an area of approximately EWhI9-8dGh0-00003-00000849-00001215 2,000 150 square kilometers five hundred EWhI9-8dGh0-00004-00001216-00001374 thirty thousand acres in the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00005-00001375-00001562 mountains and sanity plateau of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00006-00001563-00001865 Ethiopian highlands the park Safra EWhI9-8dGh0-00007-00001866-00002030 Montaigne habitats have one of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00008-00002031-00002238 highest incidences of animal endemicity EWhI9-8dGh0-00009-00002239-00002463 of any terrestrial habitat in the world EWhI9-8dGh0-00010-00002464-00002714 the park was nominated to the World EWhI9-8dGh0-00011-00002715-00003459 Heritage tentative list in 2009 EWhI9-8dGh0-00012-00003460-00003995 topic geography EWhI9-8dGh0-00013-00003996-00004236 Bale mountains national park is located EWhI9-8dGh0-00014-00004237-00004545 in southeastern Ethiopia 400 kilometers EWhI9-8dGh0-00015-00004546-00004827 southeast of Addis Ababa and 150 EWhI9-8dGh0-00016-00004828-00005016 kilometers east of shashi mean in the EWhI9-8dGh0-00017-00005017-00005295 Oromia region national state the EWhI9-8dGh0-00018-00005296-00005513 boundary of the B M and P lies within EWhI9-8dGh0-00019-00005514-00005727 five woredas districts Adama EWhI9-8dGh0-00020-00005728-00006018 West Dinshaw North GoBot Northeast della EWhI9-8dGh0-00021-00006019-00006263 Mina anga - and harina bullock southeast EWhI9-8dGh0-00022-00006264-00006524 the park area is encompassed within EWhI9-8dGh0-00023-00006525-00006928 geographical coordinates of 629 710 and EWhI9-8dGh0-00024-00006929-00007437 3928 39:57 e the bale mountains are part EWhI9-8dGh0-00025-00007438-00007644 of the bale RC Massif which forms the EWhI9-8dGh0-00026-00007645-00007827 western section of the southeastern EWhI9-8dGh0-00027-00007828-00008442 Ethiopian highlands EWhI9-8dGh0-00028-00008443-00009060 topic geology and glaciation EWhI9-8dGh0-00029-00009061-00009291 the bail mountains were formed prior to EWhI9-8dGh0-00030-00009292-00009447 the formation of the Great Rift Valley EWhI9-8dGh0-00031-00009448-00009675 from lava outpourings which covered all EWhI9-8dGh0-00032-00009676-00009912 underlying rock formations between 38 EWhI9-8dGh0-00033-00009913-00010209 and 7 million years ago the rocks of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00034-00010210-00010413 volcanic outpourings are predominantly EWhI9-8dGh0-00035-00010414-00010653 track heights but also include rhyolites EWhI9-8dGh0-00036-00010654-00010878 basalt and associated agglomerates and EWhI9-8dGh0-00037-00010879-00011157 tufts the main bail Highlands consists EWhI9-8dGh0-00038-00011158-00011400 of the vast lava saniti plateau with at EWhI9-8dGh0-00039-00011401-00011660 least six volcanic cones each more than EWhI9-8dGh0-00040-00011661-00011907 4,200 metres high and considerably EWhI9-8dGh0-00041-00011908-00012219 flattened by repeated glaciations there EWhI9-8dGh0-00042-00012220-00012411 have been at least two glacial periods EWhI9-8dGh0-00043-00012412-00012576 in the history of the mountains and they EWhI9-8dGh0-00044-00012577-00012798 were glaciated as little as 2,000 years EWhI9-8dGh0-00045-00012799-00013083 ago during the last ice age the bail EWhI9-8dGh0-00046-00013084-00013215 mountains were one of the most EWhI9-8dGh0-00047-00013216-00013416 extensively glaciated areas in EWhI9-8dGh0-00048-00013416-00013632 present-day Ethiopia with a total area EWhI9-8dGh0-00049-00013633-00013911 of ice in bail of approximately 180 EWhI9-8dGh0-00050-00013912-00014028 square kilometers EWhI9-8dGh0-00051-00014029-00014313 there was a 30 square kilometres ice cap EWhI9-8dGh0-00052-00014313-00014511 around the peak of to lead em to the EWhI9-8dGh0-00053-00014512-00014721 second-highest mountain in Ethiopia on EWhI9-8dGh0-00054-00014722-00014913 the saniti plateau and individual EWhI9-8dGh0-00055-00014913-00015084 glaciers of considerable thickness EWhI9-8dGh0-00056-00015085-00015413 reached down to 3200 meters as a EWhI9-8dGh0-00057-00015415-00015644 consequence the landscape as we see it EWhI9-8dGh0-00058-00015645-00015831 today as the lava outpourings much EWhI9-8dGh0-00059-00015832-00016053 modified by over 20 million years of EWhI9-8dGh0-00060-00016054-00016383 erosion by water wind and ice there are EWhI9-8dGh0-00061-00016384-00016590 certain geological features that remain EWhI9-8dGh0-00062-00016591-00016844 an enigma to geologists and glaciologist EWhI9-8dGh0-00063-00016845-00017043 such as the striations that appear on EWhI9-8dGh0-00064-00017044-00017282 shallow hillsides on the saniti plateau EWhI9-8dGh0-00065-00017283-00017547 Boulder grooves large stones sorted EWhI9-8dGh0-00066-00017548-00017808 stripes 2 to 4 metres wide and 80 metres EWhI9-8dGh0-00067-00017809-00018024 long till ridges and numerous glacial EWhI9-8dGh0-00068-00018025-00018231 valleys such as the toe gonna valley on EWhI9-8dGh0-00069-00018232-00018405 the Northeast facing slopes of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00070-00018406-00018615 saniti plateau provide evidence of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00071-00018616-00018837 ice age effects on the landscape of B m EWhI9-8dGh0-00072-00018838-00018993 and P until the beginning of EWhI9-8dGh0-00073-00018994-00019344 deglaciation 13,000 to 14,000 years ago EWhI9-8dGh0-00074-00019345-00019647 the snow line was at 3,700 meters and EWhI9-8dGh0-00075-00019648-00019785 the upper tree limit in the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00076-00019786-00020063 mountains was well below 3,000 meters EWhI9-8dGh0-00077-00020064-00020289 fluctuations in climate over the last EWhI9-8dGh0-00078-00020290-00020499 historical period including the last EWhI9-8dGh0-00079-00020500-00020747 3,000 years have dramatically affected EWhI9-8dGh0-00080-00020748-00020967 the vegetation and other biodiversity in EWhI9-8dGh0-00081-00020968-00021532 the highlands EWhI9-8dGh0-00082-00021533-00022065 topic hydrology EWhI9-8dGh0-00083-00022066-00022293 the Bale mountains play a vital role in EWhI9-8dGh0-00084-00022294-00022485 climate control of the region by EWhI9-8dGh0-00085-00022486-00022692 attracting large amounts of our graphic EWhI9-8dGh0-00086-00022693-00022917 rainfall which has obvious implications EWhI9-8dGh0-00087-00022918-00023091 for livestock and agricultural EWhI9-8dGh0-00088-00023092-00023463 production some 600 to 1000 millimeters EWhI9-8dGh0-00089-00023464-00023649 fall annually in the lower altitude EWhI9-8dGh0-00090-00023650-00023958 areas while 1,000 to 1,400 millimetres EWhI9-8dGh0-00091-00023959-00024213 fall in areas of higher altitude and EWhI9-8dGh0-00092-00024214-00024414 over 12 million people from Kenya EWhI9-8dGh0-00093-00024415-00024648 Somalia and Ethiopia are dependent on EWhI9-8dGh0-00094-00024649-00025002 water from the Bale Massif a total of 40 EWhI9-8dGh0-00095-00025003-00025206 rivers rise in the B MNP area EWhI9-8dGh0-00096-00025207-00025428 contributing to five major rivers the EWhI9-8dGh0-00097-00025429-00025656 web wave jebel a well known Dumoulin EWhI9-8dGh0-00098-00025657-00025769 Ganahl e EWhI9-8dGh0-00099-00025770-00026001 additionally the Bale Massif is the EWhI9-8dGh0-00100-00026002-00026202 source for many Springs in the lowlands EWhI9-8dGh0-00101-00026202-00026376 which are of paramount importance as EWhI9-8dGh0-00102-00026377-00026493 they are the only source of water EWhI9-8dGh0-00103-00026494-00026772 year-round people living south of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00104-00026773-00026945 National Park are completely dependent EWhI9-8dGh0-00105-00026947-00027114 on good management of the water EWhI9-8dGh0-00106-00027114-00027408 resources from the highland areas if the EWhI9-8dGh0-00107-00027408-00027582 flow of these rivers is altered in any EWhI9-8dGh0-00108-00027583-00027801 way through deforestation over grazing EWhI9-8dGh0-00109-00027802-00028050 of pastures and/or over abstraction for EWhI9-8dGh0-00110-00028051-00028242 irrigation all of which are occurring at EWhI9-8dGh0-00111-00028243-00028443 present a Highland lowland imbalance EWhI9-8dGh0-00112-00028444-00028652 results with loss of perennial water in EWhI9-8dGh0-00113-00028654-00028917 the lowlands if such a situation arises EWhI9-8dGh0-00114-00028918-00029157 the dry season range of the people and EWhI9-8dGh0-00115-00029158-00029370 their livestock reduces dramatically and EWhI9-8dGh0-00116-00029370-00029541 they concentrate about whatever water EWhI9-8dGh0-00117-00029542-00029835 source remains it is widely recognised EWhI9-8dGh0-00118-00029836-00030048 that such an even distribution of people EWhI9-8dGh0-00119-00030049-00030291 and livestock leads to rapid and lasting EWhI9-8dGh0-00120-00030292-00030522 degradation the people are therefore EWhI9-8dGh0-00121-00030523-00030747 likely to become increasingly food aid EWhI9-8dGh0-00122-00030748-00030963 dependent if the water catchment areas EWhI9-8dGh0-00123-00030964-00031137 of the Bale mountains are insufficiently EWhI9-8dGh0-00124-00031138-00031416 protected there is already evidence that EWhI9-8dGh0-00125-00031417-00031608 / abstraction of water in the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00126-00031608-00031895 mountains is occurring furthermore two EWhI9-8dGh0-00127-00031897-00032085 rivers emanating from Bale the wave EWhI9-8dGh0-00128-00032086-00032322 chabela in UDOT tributary of the Ganahl EWhI9-8dGh0-00129-00032323-00032622 II have hydroelectric schemes the dam on EWhI9-8dGh0-00130-00032623-00032844 the UDOT River supplies electricity to EWhI9-8dGh0-00131-00032845-00033039 dela Mena while the dam on the web shop EWhI9-8dGh0-00132-00033040-00033332 la provides electricity to the Bale area EWhI9-8dGh0-00133-00033333-00033543 lastly there are numerous natural EWhI9-8dGh0-00134-00033544-00033759 mineral water springs locally called EWhI9-8dGh0-00135-00033760-00033951 orous which provide an essential source EWhI9-8dGh0-00136-00033952-00034218 of minerals for livestock the mineral EWhI9-8dGh0-00137-00034219-00034392 springs within the park are valued for EWhI9-8dGh0-00138-00034393-00034587 their high mineral content sodium EWhI9-8dGh0-00139-00034588-00034871 potassium magnesium zinc and calcium and EWhI9-8dGh0-00140-00034872-00035100 local pastoralists believe that in order EWhI9-8dGh0-00141-00035101-00035244 to maintain good health and milk EWhI9-8dGh0-00142-00035245-00035448 production their livestock must be given EWhI9-8dGh0-00143-00035449-00035693 or water they will drive their livestock EWhI9-8dGh0-00144-00035694-00035892 for up to two days to reach the Horace EWhI9-8dGh0-00145-00035893-00035949 Springs EWhI9-8dGh0-00146-00035950-00036237 it is increasingly apparent however that EWhI9-8dGh0-00147-00036238-00036417 the Horace Springs have become an excuse EWhI9-8dGh0-00148-00036418-00036602 for local people to enter the park to EWhI9-8dGh0-00149-00036603-00037308 gain access to better grazing areas EWhI9-8dGh0-00150-00037309-00037815 topic climate EWhI9-8dGh0-00151-00037816-00038068 temperatures vary widely throughout BM EWhI9-8dGh0-00152-00038069-00038277 and P on the plateau daytime EWhI9-8dGh0-00153-00038278-00038467 temperatures are usually around 10 EWhI9-8dGh0-00154-00038468-00038680 degrees Celsius 50 degrees Fahrenheit EWhI9-8dGh0-00155-00038681-00038917 with strong winds in the gay se Valley EWhI9-8dGh0-00156-00038918-00039127 average daytime temperatures are around EWhI9-8dGh0-00157-00039128-00039433 20 degrees Celsius 68 degrees Fahrenheit EWhI9-8dGh0-00158-00039434-00039652 and the hora de Forest is around 25 EWhI9-8dGh0-00159-00039653-00039954 degrees Celsius 77 degrees Fahrenheit EWhI9-8dGh0-00160-00039955-00040233 however weather changes frequently and EWhI9-8dGh0-00161-00040234-00040515 sometimes drastically in elevations over EWhI9-8dGh0-00162-00040516-00040758 3,000 meters night Frost's are common EWhI9-8dGh0-00163-00040759-00040933 the rainy season is from May until EWhI9-8dGh0-00164-00040934-00041486 November EWhI9-8dGh0-00165-00041487-00042011 topic ecology EWhI9-8dGh0-00166-00042012-00042349 you EWhI9-8dGh0-00167-00042350-00042864 topic habitats EWhI9-8dGh0-00168-00042865-00043134 the park is divided into five distinct EWhI9-8dGh0-00169-00043135-00043308 and unique habitats the northern EWhI9-8dGh0-00170-00043309-00043524 grasslands gasp a valley northern EWhI9-8dGh0-00171-00043525-00043773 Woodlands Park headquarters afro alpine EWhI9-8dGh0-00172-00043774-00043950 meadows sanity Pluto EWhI9-8dGh0-00173-00043951-00044228 Erica moorlands and the Hana forest EWhI9-8dGh0-00174-00044229-00044454 habitats of the Bale Mountains National EWhI9-8dGh0-00175-00044455-00044687 Park range from grassland areas around EWhI9-8dGh0-00176-00044688-00045075 3,000 meters 9,800 feet in elevation to EWhI9-8dGh0-00177-00045076-00045312 mount 2lewd m2 the second highest point EWhI9-8dGh0-00178-00045313-00045501 in ethiopia at four thousand three EWhI9-8dGh0-00179-00045502-00045790 hundred seventy seven meters EWhI9-8dGh0-00180-00045791-00046052 14,316 above sea level EWhI9-8dGh0-00181-00046053-00046287 surrounded by east african pencil EWhI9-8dGh0-00182-00046288-00046557 juniper juniperus Procera trees and st. EWhI9-8dGh0-00183-00046558-00046758 John's wort waist high wild flowers and EWhI9-8dGh0-00184-00046759-00046983 grasses grow in the northern grasslands EWhI9-8dGh0-00185-00046984-00047268 and woodlands tree Heath Erica arborea EWhI9-8dGh0-00186-00047269-00047462 is native to the Ethiopian Montaigne EWhI9-8dGh0-00187-00047463-00047793 moorlands ecoregion in the park the afro EWhI9-8dGh0-00188-00047794-00048015 alpine more lands of the sanity plateau EWhI9-8dGh0-00189-00048016-00048225 is the largest continuous area of its EWhI9-8dGh0-00190-00048226-00048414 altitude on the entire continent of EWhI9-8dGh0-00191-00048415-00048702 Africa carpeted in lichen covered rocks EWhI9-8dGh0-00192-00048703-00048962 and punctuated by giant lobelia lobelia EWhI9-8dGh0-00193-00048963-00049158 Renshaw patella that grow to heights of EWhI9-8dGh0-00194-00049159-00049452 up to 12 meters the plateau is also EWhI9-8dGh0-00195-00049453-00049617 dotted with alpine lakes and streams EWhI9-8dGh0-00196-00049618-00049839 providing important resident wildlife EWhI9-8dGh0-00197-00049840-00050061 resources as well as wintering and EWhI9-8dGh0-00198-00050062-00050271 passage stations for rare and regionally EWhI9-8dGh0-00199-00050272-00050589 endemic birds the hora de forests plant EWhI9-8dGh0-00200-00050590-00050775 community makes up about half of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00201-00050776-00050982 park a woodland of trees draped in moss EWhI9-8dGh0-00202-00050983-00051158 and lichens that seem to drip off the EWhI9-8dGh0-00203-00051159-00051444 branches the area is frequently cloaked EWhI9-8dGh0-00204-00051445-00052112 in fog and wildlife is elusive EWhI9-8dGh0-00205-00052113-00052579 topic fauna EWhI9-8dGh0-00206-00052579-00052822 the bail mountains national park is an EWhI9-8dGh0-00207-00052823-00053010 important area for several threatened EWhI9-8dGh0-00208-00053011-00053213 Ethiopian endemic species EWhI9-8dGh0-00209-00053214-00053521 additionally the Park holds 26% of EWhI9-8dGh0-00210-00053522-00053763 Ethiopia's endemic species including one EWhI9-8dGh0-00211-00053764-00054036 primate one bovid one hare eight rodent EWhI9-8dGh0-00212-00054037-00054210 species and the entire global population EWhI9-8dGh0-00213-00054211-00054541 of the big-headed african mole rat there EWhI9-8dGh0-00214-00054541-00054717 are also several rare and endemic EWhI9-8dGh0-00215-00054718-00055204 amphibians EWhI9-8dGh0-00216-00055205-00055676 topic mammals EWhI9-8dGh0-00217-00055677-00055901 mammal species in the bail mountains EWhI9-8dGh0-00218-00055902-00056129 national park include Ethiopian wolf EWhI9-8dGh0-00219-00056129-00056351 canis cement zhis mountain niala EWhI9-8dGh0-00220-00056352-00056597 Travis buck stony big-headed African EWhI9-8dGh0-00221-00056598-00056779 mole rat bush buck common duiker EWhI9-8dGh0-00222-00056780-00056873 klipspringer EWhI9-8dGh0-00223-00056874-00057130 bo read buck warthog spotted hyena EWhI9-8dGh0-00224-00057132-00057338 servile and the Bale mountains Verbeck EWhI9-8dGh0-00225-00057339-00057572 Cloris Eva's Jam commences other mammals EWhI9-8dGh0-00226-00057573-00057791 of bale mountains national park include EWhI9-8dGh0-00227-00057791-00058010 the Cape bush buck African golden wolf EWhI9-8dGh0-00228-00058011-00058267 spotted hyena colobus monkey lion EWhI9-8dGh0-00229-00058269-00058479 African Leopard an African wild dog EWhI9-8dGh0-00230-00058480-00058811 almost one-third of the 47 mammals that EWhI9-8dGh0-00231-00058812-00059138 live in B M and P are rodents the rodent EWhI9-8dGh0-00232-00059139-00059332 community particularly of the afro EWhI9-8dGh0-00233-00059333-00059569 Alpine plateau are keystone species in EWhI9-8dGh0-00234-00059570-00059813 the Bale Mountains National Park they EWhI9-8dGh0-00235-00059814-00060035 are the main prey for Ethiopian wolf and EWhI9-8dGh0-00236-00060036-00060284 natural grazers of the afro alpine areas EWhI9-8dGh0-00237-00060285-00060451 where important cry odor Batian EWhI9-8dGh0-00238-00060452-00060710 processes happen the afro alpine area is EWhI9-8dGh0-00239-00060711-00060869 home to over half of the global EWhI9-8dGh0-00240-00060870-00061082 population of the Ethiopian wolf the EWhI9-8dGh0-00241-00061083-00061241 rarest candidate in the world with only EWhI9-8dGh0-00242-00061241-00061535 400 animals surviving the northern EWhI9-8dGh0-00243-00061536-00061741 juniper Hagee mia woodlands harbour the EWhI9-8dGh0-00244-00061742-00061954 largest population of the endemic and EWhI9-8dGh0-00245-00061955-00062129 similarly endangered mountain niala EWhI9-8dGh0-00246-00062129-00062356 estimated to be approximately two-thirds EWhI9-8dGh0-00247-00062357-00062644 of the global population the Ethiopian EWhI9-8dGh0-00248-00062645-00062881 wolf is restricted to just six isolated EWhI9-8dGh0-00249-00062882-00063065 mountainous areas of the Ethiopian EWhI9-8dGh0-00250-00063066-00063226 highlands and is protected in the EWhI9-8dGh0-00251-00063227-00063404 country from any activities that may EWhI9-8dGh0-00252-00063404-00063655 threaten its survival habitat loss EWhI9-8dGh0-00253-00063657-00063875 caused by unsustainable and rapidly EWhI9-8dGh0-00254-00063876-00064100 expanding cattle and crop farming is the EWhI9-8dGh0-00255-00064101-00064298 most severe threat but diseases like EWhI9-8dGh0-00256-00064299-00064526 rabies and canine distemper transmitted EWhI9-8dGh0-00257-00064527-00064705 from domestic dogs are a serious EWhI9-8dGh0-00258-00064707-00064859 immediate threat and have recently EWhI9-8dGh0-00259-00064860-00065060 caused population crashes in the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00260-00065061-00065589 mountains EWhI9-8dGh0-00261-00065590-00066069 topic flora EWhI9-8dGh0-00262-00066070-00066410 Bale mountains national park is home to EWhI9-8dGh0-00263-00066411-00066840 1321 species of flowering plants 163 of EWhI9-8dGh0-00264-00066841-00067167 which are endemic to Ethiopia 12% and 23 EWhI9-8dGh0-00265-00067168-00067470 to bale alone 14% of Ethiopia's endemic EWhI9-8dGh0-00266-00067471-00067746 plants the forests of the Bale mountains EWhI9-8dGh0-00267-00067747-00067992 are important for genetic stocks of wild EWhI9-8dGh0-00268-00067993-00068220 forest coffee coffea arabica and for EWhI9-8dGh0-00269-00068221-00068487 medicinal plants in Ethiopia three EWhI9-8dGh0-00270-00068488-00068670 medicinal plant hotspots have been EWhI9-8dGh0-00271-00068671-00068895 identified two in the gay se area and EWhI9-8dGh0-00272-00068896-00069120 one in the N Jesu area spanning the park EWhI9-8dGh0-00273-00069121-00069420 boundary the female flowers of Hagee Mia EWhI9-8dGh0-00274-00069421-00069618 contain and lamenting which is used to EWhI9-8dGh0-00275-00069619-00069765 treat tapeworms among the local EWhI9-8dGh0-00276-00069766-00070068 populations st. John's wort is used to EWhI9-8dGh0-00277-00070069-00070395 combat depression a 2006 study estimated EWhI9-8dGh0-00278-00070396-00070557 the value of the medicinal plants EWhI9-8dGh0-00279-00070558-00070785 industry to be approximately 2 billion EWhI9-8dGh0-00280-00070786-00071049 Ethiopian bur annually some 8% of EWhI9-8dGh0-00281-00071050-00071729 Ethiopia's federal budget at the time EWhI9-8dGh0-00282-00071730-00072395 topic avifauna rated by the african bird EWhI9-8dGh0-00283-00072396-00072605 club as the number for birding site in EWhI9-8dGh0-00284-00072606-00072803 africa the bale mountains are home to EWhI9-8dGh0-00285-00072804-00073013 over two hundred eighty two species of EWhI9-8dGh0-00286-00073014-00073202 birds including nine of the sixteen EWhI9-8dGh0-00287-00073203-00073502 species endemic to ethiopia furthermore EWhI9-8dGh0-00288-00073503-00073781 over 170 migratory birds have been EWhI9-8dGh0-00289-00073782-00074003 recorded within the park bale mountains EWhI9-8dGh0-00290-00074004-00074270 national park is home to almost every EWhI9-8dGh0-00291-00074271-00074527 highland Abyssinian in Ethiopian endemic EWhI9-8dGh0-00292-00074528-00074951 with over 863 species of birds recorded EWhI9-8dGh0-00293-00074952-00075161 representing approximately nine point EWhI9-8dGh0-00294-00075162-00075320 five percent of the world's bird EWhI9-8dGh0-00295-00075321-00075551 diversity and 39 percent of the bird EWhI9-8dGh0-00296-00075552-00075797 species in Africa Ethiopia is often EWhI9-8dGh0-00297-00075798-00075998 considered one of the most Avenel rich EWhI9-8dGh0-00298-00075999-00076277 countries in Africa sixteen of Bale's EWhI9-8dGh0-00299-00076278-00076631 bird species are endemic to Ethiopia due EWhI9-8dGh0-00300-00076632-00076832 to the diversity and density of rodents EWhI9-8dGh0-00301-00076833-00077039 the Bale mountains are also an extremely EWhI9-8dGh0-00302-00077040-00077252 important area for resident as well as EWhI9-8dGh0-00303-00077253-00077582 wintering and passing Raptors Ethiopian EWhI9-8dGh0-00304-00077583-00077747 endemic birds found in the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00305-00077748-00077927 mountains include blue-winged goose EWhI9-8dGh0-00306-00077928-00078197 cyanogen cyano tara spot breasted EWhI9-8dGh0-00307-00078198-00078434 Lapwing Vandellas milena cephalus yellow EWhI9-8dGh0-00308-00078435-00078629 fronted parrot poi so Phyllis flavy EWhI9-8dGh0-00309-00078630-00078830 fronds Abyssinian long claw that EWhI9-8dGh0-00310-00078831-00079085 chronics flava kalus Abyssinian catbird EWhI9-8dGh0-00311-00079086-00079334 para phasma gala nari bail Paris oma EWhI9-8dGh0-00312-00079335-00079577 Paris Alma grisaille Ventris Ethiopian EWhI9-8dGh0-00313-00079578-00079640 Siskin EWhI9-8dGh0-00314-00079641-00079859 Serena snig recep's thawne breasted wax EWhI9-8dGh0-00315-00079860-00080066 ville estriol de pollute Ecola and the EWhI9-8dGh0-00316-00080067-00080820 Abyssinian owl ASIO abbess Inachus EWhI9-8dGh0-00317-00080821-00081364 topic people of bail EWhI9-8dGh0-00318-00081365-00081589 the people of the region are dominantly EWhI9-8dGh0-00319-00081590-00081781 Oromo speaking farmers and cattle EWhI9-8dGh0-00320-00081782-00082036 herders the population of the entire EWhI9-8dGh0-00321-00082037-00082362 bail zone is approximately 1.5 million EWhI9-8dGh0-00322-00082363-00082648 Alvin or Omo as the official language of EWhI9-8dGh0-00323-00082649-00082903 Oromia it belongs to the Kishida clang EWhI9-8dGh0-00324-00082904-00083098 guaa jiz and serves as a sort of lingua EWhI9-8dGh0-00325-00083099-00083357 franca for over 25 million or omos EWhI9-8dGh0-00326-00083358-00083590 however most people in bale mountains EWhI9-8dGh0-00327-00083591-00083917 speak some Amharic the predominant EWhI9-8dGh0-00328-00083918-00084112 religion in the Bale mountains as Muslim EWhI9-8dGh0-00329-00084113-00084361 77 percent followed by Orthodox EWhI9-8dGh0-00330-00084362-00084613 Christian 20 percent and Protestant 1 EWhI9-8dGh0-00331-00084614-00084676 percent EWhI9-8dGh0-00332-00084677-00084904 the bale mountains are the true EWhI9-8dGh0-00333-00084905-00085138 ancestral home of the Oromo the largest EWhI9-8dGh0-00334-00085139-00085306 single ethnic group in the Horn of EWhI9-8dGh0-00335-00085307-00085576 Africa living as pastoralists and EWhI9-8dGh0-00336-00085577-00085762 farmers the population grew quite EWhI9-8dGh0-00337-00085763-00085939 quickly and expanded to different EWhI9-8dGh0-00338-00085940-00086104 corners of the country beginning in the EWhI9-8dGh0-00339-00086105-00086431 16th century little is known about the EWhI9-8dGh0-00340-00086432-00086626 Oromo people of the area and how they EWhI9-8dGh0-00341-00086627-00086848 came to be there they are part of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00342-00086849-00087049 eastern Pacific people stemming from a EWhI9-8dGh0-00343-00087050-00087232 branch of the caucus oi trace which EWhI9-8dGh0-00344-00087233-00087436 includes Western Asians Arabs and EWhI9-8dGh0-00345-00087437-00087616 Europeans and are distributed from EWhI9-8dGh0-00346-00087617-00087862 Willow in Ethiopia's north to Mombasa in EWhI9-8dGh0-00347-00087863-00088159 Kenya to the south some 3,000 years ago EWhI9-8dGh0-00348-00088160-00088369 they passed on practices such as the EWhI9-8dGh0-00349-00088370-00088603 initiation ceremony of circumcision and EWhI9-8dGh0-00350-00088604-00088801 habit of not eating fish to Nile Adak EWhI9-8dGh0-00351-00088802-00089056 peoples in the West furthermore they EWhI9-8dGh0-00352-00089057-00089236 incorporated the ideas of the goddess EWhI9-8dGh0-00353-00089237-00089434 system and cattle husbandry into their EWhI9-8dGh0-00354-00089435-00089722 own society the goddess system is based EWhI9-8dGh0-00355-00089723-00089905 on the principles of classifying a EWhI9-8dGh0-00356-00089906-00090112 society into eleven functional grades EWhI9-8dGh0-00357-00090113-00090316 each of which has its special roles in EWhI9-8dGh0-00358-00090317-00090667 statuses currently people subsist mainly EWhI9-8dGh0-00359-00090668-00090891 on agriculture they follow a traditional EWhI9-8dGh0-00360-00090892-00091141 transhuman system known as the Godin - EWhI9-8dGh0-00361-00091142-00091339 system a key feature of traditional EWhI9-8dGh0-00362-00091340-00091603 human use of the Bale mountains in this EWhI9-8dGh0-00363-00091604-00091843 system livestock particularly cattle are EWhI9-8dGh0-00364-00091844-00092019 sent to higher grazing grounds during EWhI9-8dGh0-00365-00092020-00092194 the months when crops are growing in EWhI9-8dGh0-00366-00092195-00092401 lower altitudes or into the forest for EWhI9-8dGh0-00367-00092402-00092668 shade during the dry season however this EWhI9-8dGh0-00368-00092669-00092844 should not be confused with the cattle EWhI9-8dGh0-00369-00092845-00093016 movements that are a consequence of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00370-00093017-00093232 loss of grazing land outside of the park EWhI9-8dGh0-00371-00093233-00093430 thus forcing cattle into the park to EWhI9-8dGh0-00372-00093431-00093732 graze Bale houses are circular in shape EWhI9-8dGh0-00373-00093733-00093996 and locally referred to as Montecito EWhI9-8dGh0-00374-00093997-00094249 juniper and sometimes eucalyptus are EWhI9-8dGh0-00375-00094250-00094501 used to make the walls and roof the roof EWhI9-8dGh0-00376-00094502-00094690 is covered with thatched grass cut from EWhI9-8dGh0-00377-00094691-00094741 Sid EWhI9-8dGh0-00378-00094742-00094960 tussock grass or stubble especially EWhI9-8dGh0-00379-00094961-00095158 barley and supported by a wooden pillar EWhI9-8dGh0-00380-00095159-00095341 which stands in the middle of the floor EWhI9-8dGh0-00381-00095342-00095617 the house is divided into portions by EWhI9-8dGh0-00382-00095618-00095833 walls made of bamboo or mud mixed with EWhI9-8dGh0-00383-00095834-00096496 stubble of barley or grass EWhI9-8dGh0-00384-00096497-00097005 topic history EWhI9-8dGh0-00385-00097006-00097215 in contrast to other parts of Ethiopia EWhI9-8dGh0-00386-00097216-00097446 very little was written about the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00387-00097447-00097716 mountains prior to the 1950s despite the EWhI9-8dGh0-00388-00097717-00097923 facts that goba a main town within the EWhI9-8dGh0-00389-00097924-00098115 mountains was connected to Addis Ababa EWhI9-8dGh0-00390-00098116-00098418 by a telegraph line in 1931 was served EWhI9-8dGh0-00391-00098419-00098649 with Ethiopian Airlines dc-3 aircraft EWhI9-8dGh0-00392-00098650-00098940 prior to the 1950s and that the brief EWhI9-8dGh0-00393-00098941-00099237 period of Italian government 1935 to EWhI9-8dGh0-00394-00099238-00099522 1941 reached the region with stations in EWhI9-8dGh0-00395-00099523-00099852 goba densho and De La Mina as records EWhI9-8dGh0-00396-00099853-00100020 begin to appear at the beginning of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00397-00100021-00100224 20th century the Bale mountains were EWhI9-8dGh0-00398-00100225-00100512 largely uninhabited the first recorded EWhI9-8dGh0-00399-00100513-00100713 visit was by the German naturalist and EWhI9-8dGh0-00400-00100714-00100917 Explorer Carlo van Ayer Langer who EWhI9-8dGh0-00401-00100918-00101154 reached the Bale mountains between 1899 EWhI9-8dGh0-00402-00101155-00101466 and 1901 during his time in the region EWhI9-8dGh0-00403-00101467-00101700 he documented the existence of the giant EWhI9-8dGh0-00404-00101701-00101973 mole rat thereafter a Frenchman the EWhI9-8dGh0-00405-00101974-00102180 vicomte de Bourg spent two months in EWhI9-8dGh0-00406-00102181-00102420 goba in 1901 hunting elephant to the EWhI9-8dGh0-00407-00102421-00102594 south and traveling around the mountains EWhI9-8dGh0-00408-00102595-00102867 he reported the existence of elephant EWhI9-8dGh0-00409-00102868-00103061 and Buffalo in the hora de Forest and EWhI9-8dGh0-00410-00103063-00103230 commented on the ivory hunting of the EWhI9-8dGh0-00411-00103231-00103467 area primarily by mounted horsemen using EWhI9-8dGh0-00412-00103468-00103776 guns following these early records there EWhI9-8dGh0-00413-00103777-00104013 is no information until the late 1950s EWhI9-8dGh0-00414-00104014-00104265 when finished geographer Elmer smells EWhI9-8dGh0-00415-00104266-00104565 arrived in Bale he made three journeys EWhI9-8dGh0-00416-00104566-00104772 to Bale and cross the area from goba EWhI9-8dGh0-00417-00104773-00105035 through reira to della Mina by the time EWhI9-8dGh0-00418-00105036-00105236 of his visits just 50 years after EWhI9-8dGh0-00419-00105238-00105461 vicomte de Bourg had noted the presence EWhI9-8dGh0-00420-00105463-00105635 of elephants they had disappeared from EWhI9-8dGh0-00421-00105636-00105908 the hora de Forest smells noted that EWhI9-8dGh0-00422-00105909-00106058 although the sanity plateau was EWhI9-8dGh0-00423-00106059-00106269 uninhabited people drove their cattle to EWhI9-8dGh0-00424-00106270-00106458 the plateau for grazing during the dry EWhI9-8dGh0-00425-00106458-00106711 season sometimes for up to three months EWhI9-8dGh0-00426-00106713-00106938 additionally the mountains were used for EWhI9-8dGh0-00427-00106939-00107133 their mineral springs Aurora's to which EWhI9-8dGh0-00428-00107133-00107322 the pastoral people also drove their EWhI9-8dGh0-00429-00107323-00107607 cattle people stayed overnight in simple EWhI9-8dGh0-00430-00107608-00107816 temporary shelters made of split bamboo EWhI9-8dGh0-00431-00107817-00108120 the hora de Forest was uninhabited but EWhI9-8dGh0-00432-00108121-00108321 for small groups of temporary huts in EWhI9-8dGh0-00433-00108322-00108471 some of the clearings where people EWhI9-8dGh0-00434-00108472-00108642 grazed their cattle for part of the year EWhI9-8dGh0-00435-00108643-00108846 although not dwelling there permanently EWhI9-8dGh0-00436-00108847-00109083 honey gatherers have always been active EWhI9-8dGh0-00437-00109083-00109358 in the hora de Forest during the same EWhI9-8dGh0-00438-00109359-00109599 period a British botanist Herbert Mooney EWhI9-8dGh0-00439-00109600-00109815 visited the hora de Forest and sanity EWhI9-8dGh0-00440-00109816-00110094 plateau he noted the growing settlement EWhI9-8dGh0-00441-00110095-00110283 of reira within the hora de forests and EWhI9-8dGh0-00442-00110283-00110371 other Hamlet's of EWhI9-8dGh0-00443-00110372-00110524 honey gatherers and pastoral people EWhI9-8dGh0-00444-00110525-00110749 although the Horan de Forest was EWhI9-8dGh0-00445-00110750-00110979 probably quite populated towards the end EWhI9-8dGh0-00446-00110980-00111186 of the 19th century the area was EWhI9-8dGh0-00447-00111188-00111390 depopulated again as a result of a EWhI9-8dGh0-00448-00111391-00111591 rinderpest epidemic that killed most of EWhI9-8dGh0-00449-00111592-00111903 the cattle in the early 1890s the EWhI9-8dGh0-00450-00111904-00112096 impetus for the present National Park EWhI9-8dGh0-00451-00112097-00112320 began with two visits to the area in EWhI9-8dGh0-00452-00112321-00112645 1963 in 1965 by the British naturalist EWhI9-8dGh0-00453-00112646-00112881 dr. Leslie Brown who was in the area EWhI9-8dGh0-00454-00112882-00113103 explicitly to assess the status of EWhI9-8dGh0-00455-00113104-00113184 mountain niala EWhI9-8dGh0-00456-00113185-00113458 the major recommendation of his visits EWhI9-8dGh0-00457-00113458-00113614 was that a National Park should be EWhI9-8dGh0-00458-00113615-00113784 established in the Bale mountains to EWhI9-8dGh0-00459-00113785-00114022 protect their habitat John Blower EWhI9-8dGh0-00460-00114023-00114258 adviser to the Ethiopian wildlife EWhI9-8dGh0-00461-00114259-00114520 conservation organization now Ethiopian EWhI9-8dGh0-00462-00114521-00114796 wildlife conservation authority ewc a EWhI9-8dGh0-00463-00114797-00115014 and a Peace Corps volunteer followed EWhI9-8dGh0-00464-00115015-00115213 through with dr. Browns recommendation EWhI9-8dGh0-00465-00115214-00115389 by surveying the area and proposed EWhI9-8dGh0-00466-00115390-00115752 boundaries of the park in 1969 the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00467-00115753-00116443 Mountains National Park was established EWhI9-8dGh0-00468-00116444-00116946 topic threats EWhI9-8dGh0-00469-00116947-00117198 baile Mountains National Park is faced EWhI9-8dGh0-00470-00117199-00117383 with many threats associated with an EWhI9-8dGh0-00471-00117384-00117554 ever developing and an increasingly EWhI9-8dGh0-00472-00117555-00117849 populated Ethiopia one of the biggest EWhI9-8dGh0-00473-00117850-00118058 threats to the park is grazing for EWhI9-8dGh0-00474-00118059-00118274 example within the Webb Valley a prime EWhI9-8dGh0-00475-00118275-00118538 Ethiopian wolf habitat cattle density is EWhI9-8dGh0-00476-00118539-00118818 estimated at 250 per square kilometres EWhI9-8dGh0-00477-00118819-00119070 other threats include increasing EWhI9-8dGh0-00478-00119071-00119213 settlements within the park EWhI9-8dGh0-00479-00119214-00119477 currently over 40,000 people live within EWhI9-8dGh0-00480-00119478-00119682 the parks boundaries increasing pressure EWhI9-8dGh0-00481-00119683-00119909 on the natural resources of the area and EWhI9-8dGh0-00482-00119910-00120108 diminishing natural habitats of wild EWhI9-8dGh0-00483-00120108-00120348 animals with these settlements come EWhI9-8dGh0-00484-00120349-00120539 domestic dogs which pose a great threat EWhI9-8dGh0-00485-00120540-00120863 to the Ethiopian wolf dogs transmit EWhI9-8dGh0-00486-00120864-00121133 rabies and canine distemper and in 2010 EWhI9-8dGh0-00487-00121134-00121340 killed 106 individuals EWhI9-8dGh0-00488-00121341-00121613 approximately 40% of the Bale population EWhI9-8dGh0-00489-00121614-00121893 other serious threats include the use of EWhI9-8dGh0-00490-00121894-00122084 the wolf habitat by livestock for EWhI9-8dGh0-00491-00122085-00122279 grazing which significantly reduces the EWhI9-8dGh0-00492-00122280-00122583 availability of rodent prey over 12 EWhI9-8dGh0-00493-00122583-00122789 million people their livestock and the EWhI9-8dGh0-00494-00122790-00122994 environment in the South of Ethiopia as EWhI9-8dGh0-00495-00122995-00123156 well as neighbouring Somalia and EWhI9-8dGh0-00496-00123157-00123341 northern Kenya rely on the water that EWhI9-8dGh0-00497-00123342-00123569 originates from the Bale Massif EWhI9-8dGh0-00498-00123570-00123779 unsustainable use and pollution are EWhI9-8dGh0-00499-00123780-00124056 major threats conservationists suggest EWhI9-8dGh0-00500-00124057-00124253 that if conservation efforts in the Bale EWhI9-8dGh0-00501-00124254-00124463 mountains are not successful and people EWhI9-8dGh0-00502-00124464-00124674 continue to exploit the resources in an EWhI9-8dGh0-00503-00124675-00124913 unsustainable way more species of mammal EWhI9-8dGh0-00504-00124914-00125106 would go extinct than any other area of EWhI9-8dGh0-00505-00125107-00125759 equivalent size on the planet EWhI9-8dGh0-00506-00125760-00126289 topic activities EWhI9-8dGh0-00507-00126290-00126541 the bail mountains national park is open EWhI9-8dGh0-00508-00126542-00126727 year-round although the most popular EWhI9-8dGh0-00509-00126728-00126885 time to visit as November through April EWhI9-8dGh0-00510-00126886-00127168 when the rains have stopped the park can EWhI9-8dGh0-00511-00127169-00127339 be reached by private car or public EWhI9-8dGh0-00512-00127340-00127678 transportation from addis ababa visitors EWhI9-8dGh0-00513-00127679-00127836 may choose to trek throughout the park EWhI9-8dGh0-00514-00127838-00128041 either by horseback or on foot or EWhI9-8dGh0-00515-00128042-00128242 alternatively to visit the park entirely EWhI9-8dGh0-00516-00128243-00128559 by car treks range from 1 to 12 nights EWhI9-8dGh0-00517-00128560-00128704 and travel through all the different EWhI9-8dGh0-00518-00128705-00129355 ecosystems of the park EWhI9-8dGh0-00519-00129356-00129891 topic see also EWhI9-8dGh0-00520-00129892-00130233 Bale mountains topics geography of EWhI9-8dGh0-00521-00130233-00130494 Oromia region EWuX6ejeP24-00000-00000544-00000671 although there are many EWuX6ejeP24-00001-00000672-00000902 aspects of cappadocia in which we have EWuX6ejeP24-00002-00000903-00001087 touched upon in the past EWuX6ejeP24-00003-00001088-00001278 mentioned its apparent incredible EWuX6ejeP24-00004-00001279-00001487 antiquity and to some degree EWuX6ejeP24-00005-00001488-00001663 investigated and explored some EWuX6ejeP24-00006-00001664-00001830 hand-picked sections of this EWuX6ejeP24-00007-00001832-00002071 incredible site's numerous anomalous EWuX6ejeP24-00008-00002072-00002175 features EWuX6ejeP24-00009-00002176-00002455 however there also exists although EWuX6ejeP24-00010-00002456-00002647 considerably lesser shared EWuX6ejeP24-00011-00002648-00002910 an equally enigmatic yet seemingly EWuX6ejeP24-00012-00002911-00003118 additional hidden past EWuX6ejeP24-00013-00003119-00003359 a fascinating area of study which we EWuX6ejeP24-00014-00003360-00003695 feel requires far more in-depth study EWuX6ejeP24-00015-00003696-00003943 cappadocia is seemingly home to more EWuX6ejeP24-00016-00003944-00004103 than one very ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00017-00004104-00004343 now lost civilizations littered with EWuX6ejeP24-00018-00004344-00004559 seemingly prehistoric ruins EWuX6ejeP24-00019-00004560-00004847 treasures of antiquity invaluable in our EWuX6ejeP24-00020-00004848-00005079 ongoing attempts at understanding our EWuX6ejeP24-00021-00005080-00005215 distant past EWuX6ejeP24-00022-00005216-00005454 during the following synopsis we intend EWuX6ejeP24-00023-00005455-00005679 to put forward sufficient evidence EWuX6ejeP24-00024-00005680-00005927 to suggest that not just one advanced EWuX6ejeP24-00025-00005928-00006070 now lost civilization EWuX6ejeP24-00026-00006071-00006318 once called this place home but that the EWuX6ejeP24-00027-00006319-00006446 site was once home EWuX6ejeP24-00028-00006447-00006727 to more than one extremely ancient yet EWuX6ejeP24-00029-00006728-00006942 extremely well preserved legacies EWuX6ejeP24-00030-00006943-00007239 from what we recognize as ruins left by EWuX6ejeP24-00031-00007240-00007446 varying civilizations EWuX6ejeP24-00032-00007447-00007727 we feel that due to the site's location EWuX6ejeP24-00033-00007728-00007798 it has EWuX6ejeP24-00034-00007800-00008119 predictably yet we presume reluctantly EWuX6ejeP24-00035-00008120-00008327 undergoing substantial academic EWuX6ejeP24-00036-00008328-00008455 explorations EWuX6ejeP24-00037-00008456-00008671 most possibly to create a permitted EWuX6ejeP24-00038-00008672-00008774 chronology EWuX6ejeP24-00039-00008775-00009031 whether accurate or not for the history EWuX6ejeP24-00040-00009032-00009159 of the site EWuX6ejeP24-00041-00009160-00009406 with a rarely experienced buzz within EWuX6ejeP24-00042-00009407-00009559 mainstream circles EWuX6ejeP24-00043-00009560-00009791 surrounding feudal attempts accompanied EWuX6ejeP24-00044-00009792-00009999 with supposed explorations and EWuX6ejeP24-00045-00010000-00010246 explanations for many of these still EWuX6ejeP24-00046-00010247-00010359 visually stunning EWuX6ejeP24-00047-00010360-00010703 yet utterly puzzling signs anyone with EWuX6ejeP24-00048-00010704-00010903 an alternative opinion regarding the EWuX6ejeP24-00049-00010904-00011014 site however EWuX6ejeP24-00050-00011015-00011255 one we often conclude to be logical EWuX6ejeP24-00051-00011256-00011335 grounded EWuX6ejeP24-00052-00011336-00011527 accompanied by many examples of EWuX6ejeP24-00053-00011528-00011735 incredible artistic abilities EWuX6ejeP24-00054-00011736-00011942 comparatively impossible to have EWuX6ejeP24-00055-00011943-00012159 achieved with the tools accessible EWuX6ejeP24-00056-00012160-00012478 to the academically claimed builders one EWuX6ejeP24-00057-00012479-00012678 often senses that many funded EWuX6ejeP24-00058-00012679-00012966 obedient academics find themselves EWuX6ejeP24-00059-00012967-00013166 considerably out of their depth EWuX6ejeP24-00060-00013168-00013375 when it comes to producing a solid EWuX6ejeP24-00061-00013376-00013527 intellectual explanation EWuX6ejeP24-00062-00013528-00013791 for the many anomalies we highlight EWuX6ejeP24-00063-00013791-00013879 encountering EWuX6ejeP24-00064-00013880-00014127 almost impossible tasks in producing EWuX6ejeP24-00065-00014128-00014303 logical explanations EWuX6ejeP24-00066-00014304-00014527 for not only cappadocias almost EWuX6ejeP24-00067-00014528-00014751 inconceivably huge labyrinths of EWuX6ejeP24-00068-00014752-00015063 underground complexes some so large EWuX6ejeP24-00069-00015063-00015255 they are classified as underground EWuX6ejeP24-00070-00015256-00015430 cities each and all EWuX6ejeP24-00071-00015431-00015750 hewn direct from solid bedrocks some to EWuX6ejeP24-00072-00015751-00015911 considerable depths EWuX6ejeP24-00073-00015912-00016127 now understood to plummet hundreds of EWuX6ejeP24-00074-00016128-00016286 feet into the rock of EWuX6ejeP24-00075-00016287-00016575 earth's mantle the more impossible this EWuX6ejeP24-00076-00016576-00016630 task EWuX6ejeP24-00077-00016631-00016919 seems to become the challenges involved EWuX6ejeP24-00078-00016920-00017022 in explaining EWuX6ejeP24-00079-00017023-00017286 and most crucially demonstrating how EWuX6ejeP24-00080-00017287-00017327 these EWuX6ejeP24-00081-00017328-00017567 mazes of tunnels and passageways were EWuX6ejeP24-00082-00017568-00017639 created EWuX6ejeP24-00083-00017640-00017919 and in addition secured these ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00084-00017920-00018055 builders somehow EWuX6ejeP24-00085-00018056-00018335 utilizing enormous rolling stones that EWuX6ejeP24-00086-00018336-00018511 modern man would find to be EWuX6ejeP24-00087-00018512-00018758 a considerable and extremely effective EWuX6ejeP24-00088-00018759-00018871 obstacle EWuX6ejeP24-00089-00018872-00019183 once painstakingly carved transported EWuX6ejeP24-00090-00019184-00019471 and placed into their purpose-built ruts EWuX6ejeP24-00091-00019472-00019683 somehow becoming a working blocking EWuX6ejeP24-00092-00019684-00019830 mechanism which EWuX6ejeP24-00093-00019831-00020071 to this day we still don't fully EWuX6ejeP24-00094-00020072-00020143 understand EWuX6ejeP24-00095-00020144-00020383 how they work them or even manage to EWuX6ejeP24-00096-00020384-00020455 unravel EWuX6ejeP24-00097-00020456-00020719 any logical technique possibly once used EWuX6ejeP24-00098-00020720-00020935 to utilize these incredible blocking EWuX6ejeP24-00099-00020936-00021047 stones EWuX6ejeP24-00100-00021048-00021319 however as previously mentioned it is EWuX6ejeP24-00101-00021320-00021519 not just these incredibly ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00102-00021520-00021663 underground labyrinths EWuX6ejeP24-00103-00021664-00021943 which make cappadocia one of antiquities EWuX6ejeP24-00104-00021944-00021983 least EWuX6ejeP24-00105-00021984-00022239 understood yet clearly one of the most EWuX6ejeP24-00106-00022240-00022303 important EWuX6ejeP24-00107-00022304-00022567 ancient locations on earth there are EWuX6ejeP24-00108-00022568-00022607 many EWuX6ejeP24-00109-00022608-00022814 other parts of this enormous ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00110-00022815-00023071 wonder that many people are predictably EWuX6ejeP24-00111-00023072-00023311 little aware of and the reason for this EWuX6ejeP24-00112-00023312-00023542 may soon become apparent EWuX6ejeP24-00113-00023543-00023767 although underground layers such as that EWuX6ejeP24-00114-00023768-00023886 of derenkuyu EWuX6ejeP24-00115-00023887-00024119 have an appearance akin to the neolithic EWuX6ejeP24-00116-00024120-00024191 age EWuX6ejeP24-00117-00024192-00024407 in other words displaying the scars of EWuX6ejeP24-00118-00024408-00024522 relics which are EWuX6ejeP24-00119-00024523-00024807 unimaginably old although located in the EWuX6ejeP24-00120-00024808-00024886 open air EWuX6ejeP24-00121-00024887-00025127 and at the mercy of the far more rapid EWuX6ejeP24-00122-00025128-00025191 erosion EWuX6ejeP24-00123-00025192-00025375 triggered by weathering the site and EWuX6ejeP24-00124-00025376-00025542 also displays sections EWuX6ejeP24-00125-00025543-00025743 which show advanced stone cutting EWuX6ejeP24-00126-00025744-00025855 technologies EWuX6ejeP24-00127-00025856-00026078 absent the tunnels and was clearly EWuX6ejeP24-00128-00026079-00026351 created at a much more recent date EWuX6ejeP24-00129-00026352-00026590 which unlike the sites which display EWuX6ejeP24-00130-00026591-00026767 extremely ancient ages EWuX6ejeP24-00131-00026768-00026999 namely the underground cities are EWuX6ejeP24-00132-00027000-00027231 seemingly from a vastly different time EWuX6ejeP24-00133-00027232-00027367 in antiquity EWuX6ejeP24-00134-00027368-00027590 hopefully as the evidence and knowledge EWuX6ejeP24-00135-00027591-00027831 regarding said sites grows EWuX6ejeP24-00136-00027832-00028127 we will hopefully one day fully decipher EWuX6ejeP24-00137-00028127-00028231 the mysteries EWuX6ejeP24-00138-00028232-00028527 of not only cappadocia but our own past EWuX6ejeP24-00139-00028527-00028646 as a whole EWuX6ejeP24-00140-00028647-00028951 it is a subject which we find highly EWuX6ejeP24-00141-00028952-00029158 compelling EWuX6ejeP24-00142-00029160-00029455 ancient uparts a section of ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00143-00029456-00029646 history which many find as their EWuX6ejeP24-00144-00029647-00029727 preference EWuX6ejeP24-00145-00029727-00029983 it is undeniably one of the strongest EWuX6ejeP24-00146-00029983-00030174 areas of argument within the study of EWuX6ejeP24-00147-00030175-00030279 antiquities EWuX6ejeP24-00148-00030280-00030455 which is in support of the past EWuX6ejeP24-00149-00030456-00030670 existence of once highly capable EWuX6ejeP24-00150-00030672-00030943 incredibly technologically advanced yet EWuX6ejeP24-00151-00030944-00031031 now lost EWuX6ejeP24-00152-00031032-00031302 ancient civilizations the ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00153-00031303-00031414 astronaut theory EWuX6ejeP24-00154-00031416-00031639 being one main topic of interest within EWuX6ejeP24-00155-00031639-00031807 the uparts realm EWuX6ejeP24-00156-00031808-00032031 when it comes to certain current or now EWuX6ejeP24-00157-00032032-00032143 past allies EWuX6ejeP24-00158-00032144-00032414 in alliance with our so often reiterated EWuX6ejeP24-00159-00032416-00032495 posit EWuX6ejeP24-00160-00032495-00032679 of the existence and the volumes of EWuX6ejeP24-00161-00032680-00032815 surviving evidence EWuX6ejeP24-00162-00032816-00033102 in support of a now lost often also EWuX6ejeP24-00163-00033103-00033159 claimed EWuX6ejeP24-00164-00033160-00033431 now actively hidden enormous number of EWuX6ejeP24-00165-00033432-00033623 chapters of human history EWuX6ejeP24-00166-00033624-00033815 it is thanks to their laborious EWuX6ejeP24-00167-00033816-00033959 collaborative efforts EWuX6ejeP24-00168-00033960-00034174 which has allowed us to accomplish such EWuX6ejeP24-00169-00034175-00034399 a strong and compelling evidence EWuX6ejeP24-00170-00034400-00034662 in addition the realization that much of EWuX6ejeP24-00171-00034663-00034735 these sites EWuX6ejeP24-00172-00034736-00035015 and anomalous features also display a EWuX6ejeP24-00173-00035016-00035215 strong evidential suggestion EWuX6ejeP24-00174-00035216-00035479 that many of these civilizations somehow EWuX6ejeP24-00175-00035480-00035623 succumbed suddenly EWuX6ejeP24-00176-00035624-00035967 possibly to a past cataclysm however EWuX6ejeP24-00177-00035968-00036223 if this vast and still growing file of EWuX6ejeP24-00178-00036224-00036287 evidence EWuX6ejeP24-00179-00036288-00036559 all suggesting sudden demise is in the EWuX6ejeP24-00180-00036560-00036639 future EWuX6ejeP24-00181-00036640-00036895 somehow found to have been an undeniable EWuX6ejeP24-00182-00036896-00036990 reality EWuX6ejeP24-00183-00036991-00037287 possibly a repeated event a question EWuX6ejeP24-00184-00037288-00037407 arises EWuX6ejeP24-00185-00037408-00037607 who could these claimed ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00186-00037608-00037887 astronauts possibly have been EWuX6ejeP24-00187-00037888-00038135 the evidence suggesting sudden halts in EWuX6ejeP24-00188-00038136-00038230 undertaking EWuX6ejeP24-00189-00038231-00038511 within countless elaborately created by EWuX6ejeP24-00190-00038512-00038727 clearly highly resourced people EWuX6ejeP24-00191-00038728-00038935 megalithic quarries which were EWuX6ejeP24-00192-00038936-00039151 inexplicably abandoned EWuX6ejeP24-00193-00039152-00039415 litter our planet this may suggest that EWuX6ejeP24-00194-00039416-00039455 these EWuX6ejeP24-00195-00039456-00039695 uparts are either of returning EWuX6ejeP24-00196-00039696-00039967 unfortunate witnesses to this cataclysm EWuX6ejeP24-00197-00039968-00040246 somehow returning many generations later EWuX6ejeP24-00198-00040247-00040455 successfully making contact with a EWuX6ejeP24-00199-00040456-00040567 civilization EWuX6ejeP24-00200-00040568-00040783 raised from the ashes of their now EWuX6ejeP24-00201-00040784-00040951 forgotten world EWuX6ejeP24-00202-00040952-00041199 somehow surviving all this time in an EWuX6ejeP24-00203-00041200-00041367 ancient spacecraft EWuX6ejeP24-00204-00041368-00041623 possibly better possibly similar to our EWuX6ejeP24-00205-00041624-00041790 own modern space stations EWuX6ejeP24-00206-00041791-00042046 absent long enough to be depicted by a EWuX6ejeP24-00207-00042047-00042111 people EWuX6ejeP24-00208-00042112-00042446 presumably astonished by their existence EWuX6ejeP24-00209-00042447-00042695 secondly they could quite possibly EWuX6ejeP24-00210-00042696-00042751 depict EWuX6ejeP24-00211-00042752-00043039 ancient alien visitors to our planet EWuX6ejeP24-00212-00043040-00043302 either once deliberately making contact EWuX6ejeP24-00213-00043303-00043558 or once crashing here forcing these EWuX6ejeP24-00214-00043559-00043607 entities EWuX6ejeP24-00215-00043608-00043943 to make contact thus witnessed yet if EWuX6ejeP24-00216-00043944-00044007 true EWuX6ejeP24-00217-00044008-00044190 their likeness to earthlings is a EWuX6ejeP24-00218-00044191-00044383 controversial consequence to said EWuX6ejeP24-00219-00044384-00044495 history EWuX6ejeP24-00220-00044496-00044935 or are all somehow a mere coincidence EWuX6ejeP24-00221-00044936-00045190 one or two hoaxes we feel is a real EWuX6ejeP24-00222-00045191-00045279 reality EWuX6ejeP24-00223-00045280-00045558 but for all these magnificent enigmatic EWuX6ejeP24-00224-00045559-00045727 and often clear depictions EWuX6ejeP24-00225-00045728-00045974 of similarly looking individuals all EWuX6ejeP24-00226-00045975-00046118 being hoaxes EWuX6ejeP24-00227-00046119-00046399 yet so far separated geographically we EWuX6ejeP24-00228-00046400-00046446 find EWuX6ejeP24-00229-00046447-00046735 unlikely one must keep this in mind when EWuX6ejeP24-00230-00046736-00046935 studying such artifacts EWuX6ejeP24-00231-00046936-00047286 such as the istanbul rocket the claimed EWuX6ejeP24-00232-00047287-00047383 ancient space EWuX6ejeP24-00233-00047384-00047590 module which became one of the most EWuX6ejeP24-00234-00047591-00047823 popular artifacts of the istanbul EWuX6ejeP24-00235-00047824-00048118 archaeological museum sought after by EWuX6ejeP24-00236-00048119-00048390 western scientists and media alike EWuX6ejeP24-00237-00048391-00048574 poured over and written about in EWuX6ejeP24-00238-00048575-00048823 hundreds of articles across europe EWuX6ejeP24-00239-00048824-00049071 even featuring on television programs EWuX6ejeP24-00240-00049072-00049223 and within many newspaper EWuX6ejeP24-00241-00049224-00049527 articles however what is fascinating EWuX6ejeP24-00242-00049528-00049655 about this reality EWuX6ejeP24-00243-00049656-00049895 that for many years many specialists EWuX6ejeP24-00244-00049896-00050071 often talented people EWuX6ejeP24-00245-00050072-00050358 also just as often funded to presumably EWuX6ejeP24-00246-00050359-00050423 determine EWuX6ejeP24-00247-00050424-00050702 an inaccuracy in the object's claimed EWuX6ejeP24-00248-00050703-00050774 age EWuX6ejeP24-00249-00050775-00051086 did not not until a few years ago that EWuX6ejeP24-00250-00051087-00051190 is EWuX6ejeP24-00251-00051191-00051399 in the last few years it has been that EWuX6ejeP24-00252-00051400-00051550 the istanbul rocket EWuX6ejeP24-00253-00051551-00051830 was apparently found to have been a hoax EWuX6ejeP24-00254-00051832-00051919 a plaster EWuX6ejeP24-00255-00051920-00052254 cast made some 25 years ago a puzzling EWuX6ejeP24-00256-00052255-00052414 claim when one remembers EWuX6ejeP24-00257-00052415-00052679 that just five years after the space EWuX6ejeP24-00258-00052679-00052911 module was sought after by german and EWuX6ejeP24-00259-00052912-00053159 english among many other national EWuX6ejeP24-00260-00053160-00053271 archaeologists EWuX6ejeP24-00261-00053272-00053566 and was for a long time secured in the EWuX6ejeP24-00262-00053567-00053815 preservation unit of the museum EWuX6ejeP24-00263-00053816-00054094 was this really a plaster cast a mere EWuX6ejeP24-00264-00054095-00054287 five years old when this discovery was EWuX6ejeP24-00265-00054288-00054366 announced EWuX6ejeP24-00266-00054367-00054542 successfully fooling the world EWuX6ejeP24-00267-00054544-00054726 scientific communities EWuX6ejeP24-00268-00054727-00054999 or was it like so many other artifacts EWuX6ejeP24-00269-00055000-00055087 we study EWuX6ejeP24-00270-00055088-00055359 successfully stolen then replaced with a EWuX6ejeP24-00271-00055360-00055494 clear fake EWuX6ejeP24-00272-00055495-00055694 we will leave that up to you to decide EWuX6ejeP24-00273-00055695-00055903 from the evidence available EWuX6ejeP24-00274-00055904-00056223 but an argument for found crash craft EWuX6ejeP24-00275-00056224-00056447 can also be seen in the inspiration for EWuX6ejeP24-00276-00056448-00056591 the creation of things EWuX6ejeP24-00277-00056591-00056903 like that of the lid of pakal's tomb an EWuX6ejeP24-00278-00056904-00057159 enigmatic depiction of the same form of EWuX6ejeP24-00279-00057160-00057254 technology EWuX6ejeP24-00280-00057255-00057550 again turns up all over south america EWuX6ejeP24-00281-00057551-00057750 and even further afield EWuX6ejeP24-00282-00057751-00058063 the kiev spaceman yet another found far EWuX6ejeP24-00283-00058064-00058287 away in the remote desolate landscapes EWuX6ejeP24-00284-00058288-00058430 of ukraine EWuX6ejeP24-00285-00058432-00058663 clearly a depiction of a gas-breathing EWuX6ejeP24-00286-00058664-00058830 humanoid-shaped being EWuX6ejeP24-00287-00058832-00059094 depicted with seemingly no injuries yet EWuX6ejeP24-00288-00059095-00059279 the reason for said depiction EWuX6ejeP24-00289-00059279-00059542 is an ongoing debate yet due to its EWuX6ejeP24-00290-00059544-00059694 clear characteristics EWuX6ejeP24-00291-00059695-00059935 a welcome member of this long list of EWuX6ejeP24-00292-00059936-00060111 ancient uparts EWuX6ejeP24-00293-00060112-00060350 ancient astronauts or merely an EWuX6ejeP24-00294-00060351-00060494 extremely elaborate EWuX6ejeP24-00295-00060495-00060799 highly complex hard-worked long-lived EWuX6ejeP24-00296-00060800-00060919 hoax EWuX6ejeP24-00297-00060920-00061103 we find the evidence to support the EWuX6ejeP24-00298-00061104-00061566 theory highly compelling EWuX6ejeP24-00299-00061567-00061775 one of the strongest arguments in EWuX6ejeP24-00300-00061776-00061926 support of the existence EWuX6ejeP24-00301-00061927-00062191 of a past but now deliberately obscured EWuX6ejeP24-00302-00062191-00062247 ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00303-00062248-00062519 advanced now lost civilization are the EWuX6ejeP24-00304-00062520-00062691 impossibly enormous EWuX6ejeP24-00305-00062691-00062999 erosion-resistant megaliths many far EWuX6ejeP24-00306-00063000-00063263 over a thousand tons in weight seemingly EWuX6ejeP24-00307-00063264-00063366 effortlessly EWuX6ejeP24-00308-00063367-00063623 placed atop one another as if the task EWuX6ejeP24-00309-00063624-00063759 was a simple one EWuX6ejeP24-00310-00063760-00063950 tasks that appear to have required EWuX6ejeP24-00311-00063951-00064206 minimal effort to have once accomplished EWuX6ejeP24-00312-00064207-00064447 yet any explanation as to how these EWuX6ejeP24-00313-00064448-00064566 stones were moved EWuX6ejeP24-00314-00064567-00064815 or any logical explanation as to how EWuX6ejeP24-00315-00064816-00064926 they achieve such EWuX6ejeP24-00316-00064927-00065254 task remains elusive not only are there EWuX6ejeP24-00317-00065255-00065326 enormous EWuX6ejeP24-00318-00065327-00065582 as yet unexplained megaliths all over EWuX6ejeP24-00319-00065583-00065726 ancient antiquity EWuX6ejeP24-00320-00065727-00066023 the almost impossibly precise decoration EWuX6ejeP24-00321-00066024-00066255 and seemingly laser-cut accuracy EWuX6ejeP24-00322-00066256-00066535 found upon many of these ruins baffle EWuX6ejeP24-00323-00066536-00066694 all who gaze upon them EWuX6ejeP24-00324-00066695-00066887 or have the unthankful task of EWuX6ejeP24-00325-00066888-00067087 attempting to explain them EWuX6ejeP24-00326-00067088-00067326 nearly every aspect of these masterfully EWuX6ejeP24-00327-00067327-00067399 decorated EWuX6ejeP24-00328-00067400-00067726 stones many clearly of a tremendous age EWuX6ejeP24-00329-00067727-00068006 are indicative of an advanced now lost EWuX6ejeP24-00330-00068007-00068206 stone cutting technology EWuX6ejeP24-00331-00068207-00068479 the reality that these decorated temples EWuX6ejeP24-00332-00068480-00068615 tombs and pyramids EWuX6ejeP24-00333-00068616-00068799 are found littering the countless EWuX6ejeP24-00334-00068800-00068943 inexplicable ruins EWuX6ejeP24-00335-00068944-00069182 found all over the world are nearly EWuX6ejeP24-00336-00069183-00069455 always accompanied by megalithic blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00337-00069456-00069655 somehow quarried and once brought to EWuX6ejeP24-00338-00069656-00069831 each site and seemingly EWuX6ejeP24-00339-00069832-00070175 no matter the size lifted aloft forming EWuX6ejeP24-00340-00070176-00070455 incredible trilethons or blocks placed EWuX6ejeP24-00341-00070456-00070550 into walls EWuX6ejeP24-00342-00070551-00070838 perfectly placed with stunning precision EWuX6ejeP24-00343-00070839-00071079 another reason why stone ruins are such EWuX6ejeP24-00344-00071080-00071238 a great area for debate EWuX6ejeP24-00345-00071239-00071519 and ultimately a field which presents so EWuX6ejeP24-00346-00071520-00071606 many proofs EWuX6ejeP24-00347-00071607-00071799 for an advanced anti-diluvian EWuX6ejeP24-00348-00071800-00071911 civilization EWuX6ejeP24-00349-00071912-00072119 one who were once capable of achieving EWuX6ejeP24-00350-00072120-00072215 such feats EWuX6ejeP24-00351-00072216-00072438 is the unexplainable nature of these EWuX6ejeP24-00352-00072439-00072735 puzzling inexplicably large blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00353-00072736-00072950 unexplainable according to mainstream EWuX6ejeP24-00354-00072951-00073079 academic opinion EWuX6ejeP24-00355-00073080-00073311 and are predictably still widely EWuX6ejeP24-00356-00073312-00073438 overlooked EWuX6ejeP24-00357-00073439-00073694 regardless of this our own research has EWuX6ejeP24-00358-00073695-00073926 exposed countless of these blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00359-00073927-00074175 the pregnant woman in balbec for example EWuX6ejeP24-00360-00074176-00074399 once argued as being left where it now EWuX6ejeP24-00361-00074400-00074615 lay due to the incline and its EWuX6ejeP24-00362-00074616-00074782 tremendous once argued EWuX6ejeP24-00363-00074783-00075031 impossible size is now however EWuX6ejeP24-00364-00075032-00075126 understood EWuX6ejeP24-00365-00075127-00075335 to have been found to have been part of EWuX6ejeP24-00366-00075336-00075631 a wall with blocks now excavated EWuX6ejeP24-00367-00075632-00075831 discovered to have been of an even EWuX6ejeP24-00368-00075832-00075991 larger size EWuX6ejeP24-00369-00075992-00076294 without question many undeniable proofs EWuX6ejeP24-00370-00076295-00076511 in direct contradiction of the currently EWuX6ejeP24-00371-00076512-00076703 defended mainstream theory EWuX6ejeP24-00372-00076704-00076943 which pertains to this being our first EWuX6ejeP24-00373-00076944-00077175 and only ever societal development EWuX6ejeP24-00374-00077176-00077447 after simply appearing after an ice age EWuX6ejeP24-00375-00077448-00077687 this being our only ever technologically EWuX6ejeP24-00376-00077688-00077815 advanced civilization EWuX6ejeP24-00377-00077816-00078126 ever to have existed and although again EWuX6ejeP24-00378-00078127-00078391 as previously mentioned our ancestors EWuX6ejeP24-00379-00078392-00078479 within known EWuX6ejeP24-00380-00078480-00078767 permitted history often reinhabited EWuX6ejeP24-00381-00078768-00078871 these builds EWuX6ejeP24-00382-00078872-00079071 they often left an archaeological EWuX6ejeP24-00383-00079072-00079182 footprint EWuX6ejeP24-00384-00079183-00079406 not only allowing those in the so-called EWuX6ejeP24-00385-00079407-00079743 no a stooge to pin the construction on EWuX6ejeP24-00386-00079744-00079950 allowing the site to simply be brushed EWuX6ejeP24-00387-00079951-00080135 under the proverbial rug EWuX6ejeP24-00388-00080136-00080399 but then to simply overlook any logical EWuX6ejeP24-00389-00080400-00080550 explanation as to how EWuX6ejeP24-00390-00080551-00080759 they were utilized by said capable EWuX6ejeP24-00391-00080760-00080950 claimed culprits EWuX6ejeP24-00392-00080951-00081206 this secrecy deprives us of what we all EWuX6ejeP24-00393-00081207-00081279 deserve EWuX6ejeP24-00394-00081280-00081559 as equally sentient beings to provide us EWuX6ejeP24-00395-00081560-00081711 with the truth EWuX6ejeP24-00396-00081712-00081991 during our own investigative research in EWuX6ejeP24-00397-00081992-00082135 an effort to identify EWuX6ejeP24-00398-00082136-00082391 just how many times civilization had EWuX6ejeP24-00399-00082392-00082615 possibly experienced cataclysm here on EWuX6ejeP24-00400-00082616-00082711 earth EWuX6ejeP24-00401-00082712-00082887 a question which arose during our EWuX6ejeP24-00402-00082888-00083079 studies surrounding italy's EWuX6ejeP24-00403-00083080-00083335 incredible ancient stone walls when EWuX6ejeP24-00404-00083336-00083471 during said research EWuX6ejeP24-00405-00083472-00083726 we thankfully stumbled across a very EWuX6ejeP24-00406-00083727-00083999 special part of this surviving relic EWuX6ejeP24-00407-00084000-00084223 we found one of the ancient walls had EWuX6ejeP24-00408-00084224-00084447 two stages of ancient stonework in its EWuX6ejeP24-00409-00084448-00084535 makeup EWuX6ejeP24-00410-00084536-00084806 one known as cyclopian masonry a EWuX6ejeP24-00411-00084807-00084975 substantial amount is now known EWuX6ejeP24-00412-00084976-00085175 regarding cyclopean masonry EWuX6ejeP24-00413-00085176-00085367 and has virtually been replicated in the EWuX6ejeP24-00414-00085368-00085487 modern era EWuX6ejeP24-00415-00085488-00085735 however the other style is known as EWuX6ejeP24-00416-00085736-00085894 polygonal masonry EWuX6ejeP24-00417-00085895-00086167 a style we know nothing of how they EWuX6ejeP24-00418-00086168-00086287 built these walls EWuX6ejeP24-00419-00086288-00086503 or even how they created the randomly EWuX6ejeP24-00420-00086504-00086638 shaped blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00421-00086639-00086862 it is a mystifying style of stone EWuX6ejeP24-00422-00086863-00086982 working and yet EWuX6ejeP24-00423-00086983-00087231 another piece of undeniable proof of EWuX6ejeP24-00424-00087232-00087382 lost knowledge and thus EWuX6ejeP24-00425-00087383-00087718 of a lost civilization if one watches EWuX6ejeP24-00426-00087719-00087926 our video regarding bosda EWuX6ejeP24-00427-00087927-00088159 not only is there enormous amounts of EWuX6ejeP24-00428-00088160-00088367 undeniable photographic evidence of EWuX6ejeP24-00429-00088368-00088559 advanced ancient tool marks EWuX6ejeP24-00430-00088560-00088767 like a fingerprint cast in stone for EWuX6ejeP24-00431-00088768-00088879 millennia EWuX6ejeP24-00432-00088880-00089135 these tool marks eventually enabling us EWuX6ejeP24-00433-00089136-00089247 to link the cave EWuX6ejeP24-00434-00089248-00089471 with countless ancient ruins the world EWuX6ejeP24-00435-00089472-00089550 over EWuX6ejeP24-00436-00089551-00089823 ultimately we believe we have not only EWuX6ejeP24-00437-00089824-00089879 proven EWuX6ejeP24-00438-00089880-00090118 beyond doubt that these technologically EWuX6ejeP24-00439-00090119-00090191 advanced EWuX6ejeP24-00440-00090192-00090423 and once highly capable civilizations EWuX6ejeP24-00441-00090424-00090535 did exist EWuX6ejeP24-00442-00090536-00090782 not only existed but are still being EWuX6ejeP24-00443-00090783-00091006 blatantly denied and overlooked EWuX6ejeP24-00444-00091007-00091343 by funded individuals yet it is not only EWuX6ejeP24-00445-00091344-00091599 the feat of being able to cut the stones EWuX6ejeP24-00446-00091600-00091791 but create structures from them of EWuX6ejeP24-00447-00091792-00091975 gargantuan sizes EWuX6ejeP24-00448-00091976-00092199 all once perfectly refined with such EWuX6ejeP24-00449-00092200-00092303 delicacy EWuX6ejeP24-00450-00092304-00092567 masterful cutting ability and finish and EWuX6ejeP24-00451-00092568-00092623 to say EWuX6ejeP24-00452-00092624-00092831 such tasks were achieved with mere EWuX6ejeP24-00453-00092832-00093031 copper or similar metals EWuX6ejeP24-00454-00093032-00093382 is a lie so preposterous that even those EWuX6ejeP24-00455-00093383-00093526 providing explanation EWuX6ejeP24-00456-00093527-00093711 must know it's a lie and this EWuX6ejeP24-00457-00093712-00093926 willingness to do so for funding EWuX6ejeP24-00458-00093927-00094391 we find highly compelling EWuX6ejeP24-00459-00094392-00094599 one of the strongest arguments in EWuX6ejeP24-00460-00094600-00094750 support of the existence EWuX6ejeP24-00461-00094751-00095015 of a past but now deliberately obscured EWuX6ejeP24-00462-00095016-00095079 ancient EWuX6ejeP24-00463-00095080-00095343 advanced now lost civilization are the EWuX6ejeP24-00464-00095344-00095511 impossibly enormous EWuX6ejeP24-00465-00095512-00095823 erosion resistant megaliths many far EWuX6ejeP24-00466-00095824-00096087 over a thousand tons in weight seemingly EWuX6ejeP24-00467-00096088-00096199 effortlessly EWuX6ejeP24-00468-00096200-00096455 placed atop one another as if the task EWuX6ejeP24-00469-00096456-00096591 was a simple one EWuX6ejeP24-00470-00096592-00096782 tasks that appear to have required EWuX6ejeP24-00471-00096783-00097038 minimal effort to have once accomplished EWuX6ejeP24-00472-00097039-00097279 yet any explanation as to how these EWuX6ejeP24-00473-00097280-00097399 stones were moved EWuX6ejeP24-00474-00097400-00097647 or any logical explanation as to how EWuX6ejeP24-00475-00097648-00097815 they achieve such tasks EWuX6ejeP24-00476-00097816-00098079 remains elusive not only are there EWuX6ejeP24-00477-00098080-00098359 enormous as yet unexplained megaliths EWuX6ejeP24-00478-00098360-00098631 all over ancient antiquity the almost EWuX6ejeP24-00479-00098632-00098847 impossibly precise decoration EWuX6ejeP24-00480-00098848-00099111 and seemingly laser-cut accuracy found EWuX6ejeP24-00481-00099112-00099311 upon many of these ruins EWuX6ejeP24-00482-00099312-00099567 baffle all who gaze upon them or have EWuX6ejeP24-00483-00099568-00099774 the unthankful task of attempting to EWuX6ejeP24-00484-00099775-00099918 explain them EWuX6ejeP24-00485-00099919-00100159 nearly every aspect of these masterfully EWuX6ejeP24-00486-00100160-00100311 decorated stones EWuX6ejeP24-00487-00100312-00100582 many clearly of a tremendous age are EWuX6ejeP24-00488-00100583-00100655 indicative EWuX6ejeP24-00489-00100656-00100911 of an advanced now lost stone cutting EWuX6ejeP24-00490-00100912-00101038 technology EWuX6ejeP24-00491-00101039-00101303 the reality that these decorated temples EWuX6ejeP24-00492-00101304-00101438 tombs and pyramids EWuX6ejeP24-00493-00101439-00101631 are found littering the countless EWuX6ejeP24-00494-00101632-00101774 inexplicable ruins EWuX6ejeP24-00495-00101775-00102015 found all over the world are nearly EWuX6ejeP24-00496-00102016-00102287 always accompanied by megalithic blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00497-00102288-00102486 somehow quarried and once brought to EWuX6ejeP24-00498-00102488-00102663 each site and seemingly EWuX6ejeP24-00499-00102664-00102999 no matter the size lifted a loft forming EWuX6ejeP24-00500-00103000-00103166 incredible trilethons EWuX6ejeP24-00501-00103167-00103447 or blocks placed into walls perfectly EWuX6ejeP24-00502-00103448-00103671 placed with stunning precision EWuX6ejeP24-00503-00103672-00103910 another reason why stone ruins are such EWuX6ejeP24-00504-00103911-00104071 a great area for debate EWuX6ejeP24-00505-00104072-00104351 and ultimately a field which presents so EWuX6ejeP24-00506-00104352-00104630 many proofs for an advanced antediluvian EWuX6ejeP24-00507-00104631-00104742 civilization EWuX6ejeP24-00508-00104743-00104943 one who were once capable of achieving EWuX6ejeP24-00509-00104944-00105047 such feats EWuX6ejeP24-00510-00105048-00105271 is the unexplainable nature of these EWuX6ejeP24-00511-00105272-00105566 puzzling inexplicably large blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00512-00105567-00105783 unexplainable according to mainstream EWuX6ejeP24-00513-00105783-00105910 academic opinion EWuX6ejeP24-00514-00105911-00106143 and are predictably still widely EWuX6ejeP24-00515-00106144-00106263 overlooked EWuX6ejeP24-00516-00106264-00106519 regardless of this our own research has EWuX6ejeP24-00517-00106520-00106751 exposed countless of these blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00518-00106752-00106999 the pregnant woman in balbec for example EWuX6ejeP24-00519-00107000-00107223 once argued as being left where it now EWuX6ejeP24-00520-00107224-00107263 lay EWuX6ejeP24-00521-00107264-00107527 due to the incline and its tremendous EWuX6ejeP24-00522-00107528-00107615 once argued EWuX6ejeP24-00523-00107616-00107863 impossible size is now however EWuX6ejeP24-00524-00107864-00107958 understood EWuX6ejeP24-00525-00107959-00108158 to have been found to have been part of EWuX6ejeP24-00526-00108159-00108454 a wall with blocks now excavated EWuX6ejeP24-00527-00108455-00108654 discovered to have been of an even EWuX6ejeP24-00528-00108655-00108823 larger size EWuX6ejeP24-00529-00108824-00109119 without question many undeniable proofs EWuX6ejeP24-00530-00109120-00109334 in direct contradiction of the currently EWuX6ejeP24-00531-00109335-00109399 defended EWuX6ejeP24-00532-00109400-00109654 mainstream theory which pertains to this EWuX6ejeP24-00533-00109655-00109775 being our first EWuX6ejeP24-00534-00109776-00110039 and only ever societal development after EWuX6ejeP24-00535-00110040-00110278 simply appearing after an ice age EWuX6ejeP24-00536-00110279-00110510 this being our only ever technologically EWuX6ejeP24-00537-00110511-00110647 advanced civilization EWuX6ejeP24-00538-00110648-00110958 ever to have existed and although again EWuX6ejeP24-00539-00110959-00111223 as previously mentioned our ancestors EWuX6ejeP24-00540-00111224-00111310 within known EWuX6ejeP24-00541-00111311-00111590 permitted history often re-inhabited EWuX6ejeP24-00542-00111591-00111702 these builds EWuX6ejeP24-00543-00111703-00111895 they often left an archaeological EWuX6ejeP24-00544-00111896-00112007 footprint EWuX6ejeP24-00545-00112008-00112231 not only allowing those in the so-called EWuX6ejeP24-00546-00112232-00112566 no a stooge to pin the construction on EWuX6ejeP24-00547-00112567-00112783 allowing the site to simply be brushed EWuX6ejeP24-00548-00112783-00112966 under the proverbial rug EWuX6ejeP24-00549-00112967-00113231 but then to simply overlook any logical EWuX6ejeP24-00550-00113232-00113383 explanation as to how EWuX6ejeP24-00551-00113383-00113590 they were utilized by said capable EWuX6ejeP24-00552-00113591-00113783 claimed culprits EWuX6ejeP24-00553-00113783-00114039 this secrecy deprives us of what we all EWuX6ejeP24-00554-00114040-00114110 deserve EWuX6ejeP24-00555-00114111-00114390 as equally sentient beings to provide us EWuX6ejeP24-00556-00114391-00114543 with the truth EWuX6ejeP24-00557-00114544-00114823 during our own investigative research in EWuX6ejeP24-00558-00114824-00115047 an effort to identify just how many EWuX6ejeP24-00559-00115048-00115119 times EWuX6ejeP24-00560-00115120-00115343 civilization had possibly experienced EWuX6ejeP24-00561-00115344-00115543 cataclysm here on earth EWuX6ejeP24-00562-00115544-00115719 a question which arose during our EWuX6ejeP24-00563-00115720-00115966 studies surrounding italy's incredible EWuX6ejeP24-00564-00115967-00116143 ancient stone walls EWuX6ejeP24-00565-00116144-00116399 when during said research we thankfully EWuX6ejeP24-00566-00116400-00116510 stumbled across EWuX6ejeP24-00567-00116511-00116719 a very special part of this surviving EWuX6ejeP24-00568-00116720-00116831 relic EWuX6ejeP24-00569-00116832-00117047 we found one of the ancient walls had EWuX6ejeP24-00570-00117048-00117278 two stages of ancient stonework in its EWuX6ejeP24-00571-00117279-00117366 makeup EWuX6ejeP24-00572-00117367-00117639 one known as cyclopean masonry a EWuX6ejeP24-00573-00117640-00117807 substantial amount is now known EWuX6ejeP24-00574-00117808-00118007 regarding cyclopian masonry EWuX6ejeP24-00575-00118008-00118199 and has virtually been replicated in the EWuX6ejeP24-00576-00118200-00118319 modern era EWuX6ejeP24-00577-00118320-00118558 however the other style is known as EWuX6ejeP24-00578-00118559-00118727 polygonal masonry EWuX6ejeP24-00579-00118728-00118999 a style we know nothing of how they EWuX6ejeP24-00580-00119000-00119119 built these walls EWuX6ejeP24-00581-00119120-00119327 or even how they created the randomly EWuX6ejeP24-00582-00119328-00119471 shaped blocks EWuX6ejeP24-00583-00119472-00119695 it is a mystifying style of stone EWuX6ejeP24-00584-00119696-00119815 working and yet EWuX6ejeP24-00585-00119816-00120054 another piece of undeniable proof of EWuX6ejeP24-00586-00120055-00120214 lost knowledge and thus EWuX6ejeP24-00587-00120215-00120551 of a lost civilization if one watches EWuX6ejeP24-00588-00120552-00120614 our video EWuX6ejeP24-00589-00120615-00120871 regarding bazda not only is there EWuX6ejeP24-00590-00120872-00121063 enormous amounts of undeniable EWuX6ejeP24-00591-00121064-00121254 photographic evidence of advanced EWuX6ejeP24-00592-00121255-00121390 ancient tool marks EWuX6ejeP24-00593-00121391-00121599 like a fingerprint cast in stone for EWuX6ejeP24-00594-00121600-00121702 millennia EWuX6ejeP24-00595-00121703-00121958 these tool marks eventually enabling us EWuX6ejeP24-00596-00121959-00122078 to link the cave EWuX6ejeP24-00597-00122079-00122295 with countless ancient ruins the world EWuX6ejeP24-00598-00122296-00122383 over EWuX6ejeP24-00599-00122383-00122647 ultimately we believe we have not only EWuX6ejeP24-00600-00122648-00122807 proven beyond doubt EWuX6ejeP24-00601-00122808-00123039 that these technologically advanced and EWuX6ejeP24-00602-00123040-00123278 once highly capable civilizations did EWuX6ejeP24-00603-00123279-00123358 exist EWuX6ejeP24-00604-00123359-00123614 not only existed but are still being EWuX6ejeP24-00605-00123615-00123863 blatantly denied and overlooked by EWuX6ejeP24-00606-00123864-00124054 funded individuals EWuX6ejeP24-00607-00124055-00124271 yet it is not only the feat of being EWuX6ejeP24-00608-00124272-00124431 able to cut the stones EWuX6ejeP24-00609-00124432-00124623 but create structures from them of EWuX6ejeP24-00610-00124624-00124807 gargantuan sizes EWuX6ejeP24-00611-00124808-00125031 all once perfectly refined with such EWuX6ejeP24-00612-00125032-00125127 delicacy EWuX6ejeP24-00613-00125128-00125390 masterful cutting ability and finish and EWuX6ejeP24-00614-00125391-00125447 to say EWuX6ejeP24-00615-00125448-00125663 such tasks were achieved with mere EWuX6ejeP24-00616-00125664-00125863 copper or similar metals EWuX6ejeP24-00617-00125864-00126207 is a lie so preposterous that even those EWuX6ejeP24-00618-00126208-00126358 providing explanation EWuX6ejeP24-00619-00126359-00126543 must know it's a lie and this EWuX6ejeP24-00620-00126544-00126758 willingness to do so for funding EWuX6ejeP24-00621-00126759-00127214 we find highly compelling EWuX6ejeP24-00622-00127215-00127423 there are many theories which orbit the EWuX6ejeP24-00623-00127424-00127599 apollo space missions EWuX6ejeP24-00624-00127600-00127871 however apart from the obvious moon hoax EWuX6ejeP24-00625-00127872-00127951 claims EWuX6ejeP24-00626-00127952-00128158 there are many other baffling tales EWuX6ejeP24-00627-00128159-00128351 surrounding these missions EWuX6ejeP24-00628-00128352-00128551 surrounding not only a proof to the EWuX6ejeP24-00629-00128552-00128734 validity of the programs EWuX6ejeP24-00630-00128735-00128958 but also a seemingly transparent EWuX6ejeP24-00631-00128959-00129175 approach to presumably many EWuX6ejeP24-00632-00129176-00129399 although we would never believe all of EWuX6ejeP24-00633-00129400-00129614 the anomalies that the american space EWuX6ejeP24-00634-00129615-00129695 agency EWuX6ejeP24-00635-00129696-00129886 encountered during those incredibly EWuX6ejeP24-00636-00129888-00130214 expensive yet highly successful missions EWuX6ejeP24-00637-00130215-00130414 watched by nearly everyone spinning EWuX6ejeP24-00638-00130415-00130614 around on our small globe EWuX6ejeP24-00639-00130615-00130878 one very few lucky enough to travel away EWuX6ejeP24-00640-00130879-00130934 from EWuX6ejeP24-00641-00130935-00131239 like to call the blue marble there are EWuX6ejeP24-00642-00131240-00131278 many EWuX6ejeP24-00643-00131279-00131463 unexplained images that have been EWuX6ejeP24-00644-00131464-00131695 snapped of the moon by nasa EWuX6ejeP24-00645-00131696-00131911 some claimed as showing nothing like EWuX6ejeP24-00646-00131912-00132087 that of the famous pyramid we have EWuX6ejeP24-00647-00132088-00132231 covered in the past EWuX6ejeP24-00648-00132232-00132519 seemingly rediscovered on an image once EWuX6ejeP24-00649-00132520-00132671 claimed by nasa as an EWuX6ejeP24-00650-00132672-00132990 overexposed image yet there are many EWuX6ejeP24-00651-00132991-00133231 other anomalies and objects nasa EWuX6ejeP24-00652-00133232-00133471 neither confirm nor deny the existence EWuX6ejeP24-00653-00133472-00133535 of EWuX6ejeP24-00654-00133536-00133751 yet still release said images to the EWuX6ejeP24-00655-00133752-00133839 world EWuX6ejeP24-00656-00133840-00134127 they do not deny and equally accept that EWuX6ejeP24-00657-00134128-00134175 many EWuX6ejeP24-00658-00134176-00134519 they cannot explain the shard EWuX6ejeP24-00659-00134520-00134831 this image is a 44 time enlargement of a EWuX6ejeP24-00660-00134832-00134959 lunar orbiter frame EWuX6ejeP24-00661-00134960-00135295 coded lo384m EWuX6ejeP24-00662-00135296-00135527 taken with the medium resolution camera EWuX6ejeP24-00663-00135528-00135814 at a distance of at least 250 miles EWuX6ejeP24-00664-00135815-00136047 it shows an object dubbed by richard EWuX6ejeP24-00665-00136048-00136151 hoagland as EWuX6ejeP24-00666-00136152-00136454 the shard interestingly although some EWuX6ejeP24-00667-00136455-00136654 have dismissed the object as a simple EWuX6ejeP24-00668-00136655-00136807 camera malfunction EWuX6ejeP24-00669-00136808-00137071 the shard also possesses a shadow EWuX6ejeP24-00670-00137072-00137263 correctly aligned with the position of EWuX6ejeP24-00671-00137264-00137431 saul at that time EWuX6ejeP24-00672-00137432-00137663 according to hoagland quote poor EWuX6ejeP24-00673-00137664-00137807 resolution images EWuX6ejeP24-00674-00137808-00138071 like this one of the shard have led some EWuX6ejeP24-00675-00138072-00138278 to conclude it is an ephemeral EWuX6ejeP24-00676-00138279-00138583 outgassing event however the enterprise EWuX6ejeP24-00677-00138584-00138719 mission enhancements EWuX6ejeP24-00678-00138720-00139014 reveal no spray or splatter which would EWuX6ejeP24-00679-00139015-00139287 be consistent with such a conclusion EWuX6ejeP24-00680-00139288-00139535 he goes on to state the object appears EWuX6ejeP24-00681-00139536-00139631 to be solid EWuX6ejeP24-00682-00139632-00139895 though badly battered by meteors end EWuX6ejeP24-00683-00139896-00140031 quote EWuX6ejeP24-00684-00140032-00140319 above and behind the shard is the tower EWuX6ejeP24-00685-00140320-00140478 another among this collection of EWuX6ejeP24-00686-00140479-00140711 mystifying images of apparent lunar EWuX6ejeP24-00687-00140712-00140814 objects EWuX6ejeP24-00688-00140815-00140983 the tower has been researched and EWuX6ejeP24-00689-00140984-00141159 studied by many people EWuX6ejeP24-00690-00141160-00141463 since its discovery among nasa's images EWuX6ejeP24-00691-00141464-00141719 a massive structure calculated as being EWuX6ejeP24-00692-00141720-00141807 an incredible EWuX6ejeP24-00693-00141808-00142111 seven miles high this estimation clearly EWuX6ejeP24-00694-00142112-00142335 makes any consideration that the tower EWuX6ejeP24-00695-00142336-00142607 is indeed a real structural anomaly EWuX6ejeP24-00696-00142608-00142831 soaring from the lunar surface a tough EWuX6ejeP24-00697-00142832-00142951 pill to swallow EWuX6ejeP24-00698-00142952-00143183 yet the images remain an incredibly EWuX6ejeP24-00699-00143184-00143366 difficult thing to explain EWuX6ejeP24-00700-00143367-00143654 and the tower's cuboid feature atop just EWuX6ejeP24-00701-00143655-00143878 adds to this ongoing mystery EWuX6ejeP24-00702-00143879-00144175 yet one of deep intrigue is the mystery EWuX6ejeP24-00703-00144176-00144214 of EWuX6ejeP24-00704-00144215-00144478 castle the name given to an object EWuX6ejeP24-00705-00144479-00144726 captured by the apollo 10 astronauts EWuX6ejeP24-00706-00144727-00145171 during the moon orbit mission codenamed EWuX6ejeP24-00707-00145172-00145302 as10324822 EWuX6ejeP24-00708-00145303-00145614 it is of a one mile long object floating EWuX6ejeP24-00709-00145615-00145814 miles above the lunar surface EWuX6ejeP24-00710-00145815-00146063 like a satellite to our satellite that EWuX6ejeP24-00711-00146064-00146207 even more amazingly EWuX6ejeP24-00712-00146208-00146414 is possibly like that of what makes EWuX6ejeP24-00713-00146415-00146543 saturn's rings EWuX6ejeP24-00714-00146544-00146823 that being ice crystals of pure water is EWuX6ejeP24-00715-00146824-00146902 apparently EWuX6ejeP24-00716-00146903-00147159 according to future enhanced image study EWuX6ejeP24-00717-00147160-00147326 also made from a material EWuX6ejeP24-00718-00147327-00147623 alike glittering glass apart from the EWuX6ejeP24-00719-00147624-00147847 reports of strange music being heard on EWuX6ejeP24-00720-00147848-00148023 the far side of the moon EWuX6ejeP24-00721-00148024-00148263 a claim few will ever be able to confirm EWuX6ejeP24-00722-00148264-00148390 the truth of EWuX6ejeP24-00723-00148391-00148639 this extraordinary object is something EWuX6ejeP24-00724-00148640-00148775 very few know of EWuX6ejeP24-00725-00148776-00149071 and even less have studied unless more EWuX6ejeP24-00726-00149072-00149278 attention is given to such incredible EWuX6ejeP24-00727-00149279-00149383 anomalies EWuX6ejeP24-00728-00149384-00149647 ones witnessed by us already and so EWuX6ejeP24-00729-00149648-00149871 relatively close to our little home EWuX6ejeP24-00730-00149872-00150223 we may never know what they are they are EWuX6ejeP24-00731-00150224-00152407 undoubtedly highly compelling EWuX6ejeP24-00732-00152408-00152615 you EY4cdFfbKCU-00000-00000166-00000559 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00001-00000560-00001391 man i love jesus EY4cdFfbKCU-00002-00001392-00001558 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00003-00001559-00001798 i leave them EY4cdFfbKCU-00004-00001800-00002237 you have a body EY4cdFfbKCU-00005-00002238-00003424 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00006-00003425-00004247 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00007-00004248-00004839 i EY4cdFfbKCU-00008-00004840-00005191 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00009-00005192-00005422 [Applause] EY4cdFfbKCU-00010-00005423-00008046 please EY4cdFfbKCU-00011-00008047-00008295 hey yo it's caesar i hope it's not to EY4cdFfbKCU-00012-00008296-00008407 like EY4cdFfbKCU-00013-00008408-00008599 now you're fine uh what's up are you EY4cdFfbKCU-00014-00008600-00008774 okay EY4cdFfbKCU-00015-00008775-00008863 yeah EY4cdFfbKCU-00016-00008864-00009031 so uh EY4cdFfbKCU-00017-00009032-00009327 my mom feels weird um EY4cdFfbKCU-00018-00009328-00009591 so i'm going to the hospital EY4cdFfbKCU-00019-00009592-00009806 but can you do me a favor EY4cdFfbKCU-00020-00009807-00010087 ah no man sorry i am EY4cdFfbKCU-00021-00010088-00010414 i'm really busy oh come on come on mark EY4cdFfbKCU-00022-00010415-00010678 please please do do me give me no no see EY4cdFfbKCU-00023-00010679-00010999 sir i i'm sorry i can't i can't please i EY4cdFfbKCU-00024-00011000-00011191 never ask you i'm really busy right now EY4cdFfbKCU-00025-00011192-00011374 i'm EY4cdFfbKCU-00026-00011375-00011814 please mark i need you right now EY4cdFfbKCU-00027-00011815-00012023 it's not that i want EY4cdFfbKCU-00028-00012024-00012319 that i need EY4cdFfbKCU-00029-00012320-00012551 okay yeah well what do you need EY4cdFfbKCU-00030-00012552-00012735 can you turn on the camera that we set EY4cdFfbKCU-00031-00012736-00012886 up you know when EY4cdFfbKCU-00032-00012887-00013022 we go up EY4cdFfbKCU-00033-00013023-00013375 uh and why you don't mind me asking EY4cdFfbKCU-00034-00013376-00013703 uh well just secured uh i'm going to the EY4cdFfbKCU-00035-00013704-00013911 hospital you know what if EY4cdFfbKCU-00036-00013912-00014119 when someone rubs the house it's kind of EY4cdFfbKCU-00037-00014119-00014335 disrespectful man like my mom EY4cdFfbKCU-00038-00014336-00014727 no it's going to talk EY4cdFfbKCU-00039-00014728-00015055 well do you have your doors and windows EY4cdFfbKCU-00040-00015056-00015183 locked EY4cdFfbKCU-00041-00015184-00015447 oh yeah yeah of course there it is again EY4cdFfbKCU-00042-00015447-00015647 with these questions while you're asking EY4cdFfbKCU-00043-00015647-00015863 questions i need to enter your house EY4cdFfbKCU-00044-00015863-00016055 that's why i'm asking EY4cdFfbKCU-00045-00016056-00016350 oh oh yeah just there's just a key um EY4cdFfbKCU-00046-00016351-00016622 onto the carpet you can you can grab it EY4cdFfbKCU-00047-00016623-00016871 okay EY4cdFfbKCU-00048-00016872-00017063 yeah i'm just gonna switch them on and EY4cdFfbKCU-00049-00017064-00017279 i'm gonna get out of there you you know EY4cdFfbKCU-00050-00017280-00017663 i don't like your house that much EY4cdFfbKCU-00051-00017664-00017847 yeah that's fine EY4cdFfbKCU-00052-00017848-00018014 uh one last thing EY4cdFfbKCU-00053-00018015-00018286 can you get a good view EY4cdFfbKCU-00054-00018287-00019222 okay EY4cdFfbKCU-00055-00019223-00019422 that that what was that EY4cdFfbKCU-00056-00019423-00019503 but EY4cdFfbKCU-00057-00019504-00019647 i don't know EY4cdFfbKCU-00058-00019648-00020014 i didn't EY4cdFfbKCU-00059-00020015-00020255 are you making fun of me or something do EY4cdFfbKCU-00060-00020256-00020471 you think caesar i i'm gonna do jokes EY4cdFfbKCU-00061-00020472-00020599 hearing something EY4cdFfbKCU-00062-00020600-00020758 i'm hearing something i don't i don't EY4cdFfbKCU-00063-00020759-00020967 like it it's annoying i'm gonna do that EY4cdFfbKCU-00064-00020968-00021222 i can do you a favor but i i cannot EY4cdFfbKCU-00065-00021223-00021407 understand why that sounds in the EY4cdFfbKCU-00066-00021408-00021694 background so that's why i'm asking you EY4cdFfbKCU-00067-00021695-00021999 you're always asking dumb ass questions EY4cdFfbKCU-00068-00022000-00022175 um but i don't know i don't know what to EY4cdFfbKCU-00069-00022176-00022422 tell you EY4cdFfbKCU-00070-00022423-00022743 probably a bird or something EY4cdFfbKCU-00071-00022744-00023055 a bird EY4cdFfbKCU-00072-00023056-00023375 yeah i don't know EY4cdFfbKCU-00073-00023376-00023494 thank EY4cdFfbKCU-00074-00023495-00023703 uh of you in the back hallway and that's EY4cdFfbKCU-00075-00023704-00023883 it EY4cdFfbKCU-00076-00023884-00024063 yeah that's it EY4cdFfbKCU-00077-00024064-00024230 okay EY4cdFfbKCU-00078-00024231-00024383 all right gotta go EY4cdFfbKCU-00079-00024384-00024647 i'm almost on the hospital uh EY4cdFfbKCU-00080-00024648-00024822 hey mark thank you EY4cdFfbKCU-00081-00024823-00025142 yeah yeah no no problem EY4cdFfbKCU-00082-00025143-00026670 caesar not eating please stop EY4cdFfbKCU-00083-00026672-00027007 who are you are you my son i cannot see EY4cdFfbKCU-00084-00027008-00027255 let me turn on the lights what no yeah EY4cdFfbKCU-00085-00027256-00027527 yeah i'm gonna turn the lights no EY4cdFfbKCU-00086-00027527-00028702 no EY4cdFfbKCU-00087-00028704-00028943 it's me mark EY4cdFfbKCU-00088-00028944-00029255 i have a gift for you you you EY4cdFfbKCU-00089-00029256-00029927 i have a surprise EY4cdFfbKCU-00090-00029929-00030327 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00091-00030327-00031089 i have a EY4cdFfbKCU-00092-00031091-00031423 [Applause] EY4cdFfbKCU-00093-00031424-00033096 surprised EY4cdFfbKCU-00094-00033097-00034407 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00095-00034408-00035646 [Applause] EY4cdFfbKCU-00096-00035647-00035727 oh EY4cdFfbKCU-00097-00035728-00035807 um EY4cdFfbKCU-00098-00035808-00036279 thanks EY4cdFfbKCU-00099-00036280-00037895 i am sorry i don't have any money EY4cdFfbKCU-00100-00037896-00038374 want you to get out of my house EY4cdFfbKCU-00101-00038375-00038527 okay that's it EY4cdFfbKCU-00102-00038528-00038799 what the hell are you smiling at EY4cdFfbKCU-00103-00038800-00039143 i want you to get out of my house now EY4cdFfbKCU-00104-00039144-00039359 what the [__] EY4cdFfbKCU-00105-00039360-00039646 eyes what do you mean open your eyes i EY4cdFfbKCU-00106-00039647-00039790 can't see anything EY4cdFfbKCU-00107-00039791-00040079 come on just open your eyes mark these EY4cdFfbKCU-00108-00040080-00040359 is that you EY4cdFfbKCU-00109-00040360-00040507 come back EY4cdFfbKCU-00110-00040508-00041615 [__] what are you doing EY4cdFfbKCU-00111-00041616-00041871 no you're one of them you're one of them EY4cdFfbKCU-00112-00041872-00042390 i am your father EY4cdFfbKCU-00113-00042391-00043255 [Music] EY4cdFfbKCU-00114-00043256-00044751 you don't call me faster i am your mom EY4cdFfbKCU-00115-00044752-00045124 what is so funny EYOPn4mdM4y-00000-00000730-00000965 in the first week we began to explore EYOPn4mdM4y-00001-00000966-00001370 the love of God and this week we're EYOPn4mdM4y-00002-00001371-00001574 learning how that love of God has been EYOPn4mdM4y-00003-00001575-00001775 made manifest in our life through the EYOPn4mdM4y-00004-00001776-00002242 Incarnation of Jesus Christ a few years EYOPn4mdM4y-00005-00002243-00002449 ago I got into an argument with a friend EYOPn4mdM4y-00006-00002450-00002714 when I made the statement that I didn't EYOPn4mdM4y-00007-00002715-00002967 believe in the self-made man EYOPn4mdM4y-00008-00002968-00003260 he pushed back a little bit and he said EYOPn4mdM4y-00009-00003261-00003545 the gym your success as a musician has EYOPn4mdM4y-00010-00003546-00003869 been the result of of your heart study EYOPn4mdM4y-00011-00003870-00004115 and your hard work in the practice room EYOPn4mdM4y-00012-00004116-00004447 and in your courage to take an audition EYOPn4mdM4y-00013-00004448-00004709 when there were many other people who EYOPn4mdM4y-00014-00004710-00004938 could play the part just as well as you EYOPn4mdM4y-00015-00004939-00005384 and whilst some of that is true I would EYOPn4mdM4y-00016-00005385-00005647 be remiss if I didn't recognize that EYOPn4mdM4y-00017-00005648-00005806 there were many people in my life who EYOPn4mdM4y-00018-00005807-00006092 actually nurtured my love of music who EYOPn4mdM4y-00019-00006093-00006445 taught me how to read music who taught EYOPn4mdM4y-00020-00006447-00006644 me how to practice efficiently and how EYOPn4mdM4y-00021-00006645-00006898 to showcase the ways that I could EYOPn4mdM4y-00022-00006900-00007112 perform the part that was unique to me EYOPn4mdM4y-00023-00007113-00007514 and that might win the audition as a EYOPn4mdM4y-00024-00007515-00007709 matter of fact I think it's true that EYOPn4mdM4y-00025-00007709-00007960 none of us show up on the scene ready to EYOPn4mdM4y-00026-00007961-00008414 go fully complete our first instinct as EYOPn4mdM4y-00027-00008415-00008621 soon as our lungs are cleared is to cry EYOPn4mdM4y-00028-00008622-00009239 out for help as loud as we can I believe EYOPn4mdM4y-00029-00009240-00009476 that this is what the Johanna community EYOPn4mdM4y-00030-00009477-00009851 was witnessing to when they wrote and we EYOPn4mdM4y-00031-00009852-00010091 have seen and do testify that the father EYOPn4mdM4y-00032-00010092-00010363 has sent his son as the savior of the EYOPn4mdM4y-00033-00010364-00010430 world EYOPn4mdM4y-00034-00010431-00010853 I believe we never really fully outgrow EYOPn4mdM4y-00035-00010854-00011342 the instinct to cry for help but how can EYOPn4mdM4y-00036-00011343-00011549 love of God as we manifest in our life EYOPn4mdM4y-00037-00011550-00011912 is by the fact that Jesus has come into EYOPn4mdM4y-00038-00011913-00012196 our lives and into our human condition EYOPn4mdM4y-00039-00012197-00012691 to be with us to guide us to walk with EYOPn4mdM4y-00040-00012692-00013035 us and to help nurture the things that EYOPn4mdM4y-00041-00013036-00013341 we need in order to be fully alive to be EYOPn4mdM4y-00042-00013343-00013636 more completely who God has created us EYOPn4mdM4y-00043-00013637-00013836 to be EYOPn4mdM4y-00044-00013837-00014230 so maybe in your prayer life maybe you EYOPn4mdM4y-00045-00014231-00014593 would want to focus on on what in my EYOPn4mdM4y-00046-00014594-00014991 life needs help EYOPn4mdM4y-00047-00014991-00015433 where can I not do it alone where do I EYOPn4mdM4y-00048-00015434-00015805 need God's help and love and provision EYOPn4mdM4y-00049-00015806-00016243 in order to take the next step this is EYOPn4mdM4y-00050-00016244-00016564 how God is waiting to meet us in our EYOPn4mdM4y-00051-00016565-00018015 lives all we have to do is ask EYOPn4mdM4y-00052-00018016-00018331 [Music] Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00000-00000050-00000499 Sardar swore insane 1907 to 1994 was an Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00001-00000500-00000749 Indian politician he was India's Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00002-00000750-00001444 longest-serving union cabinet minister Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00003-00001445-00001971 topic early life Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00004-00001972-00002233 Swaran Singh puree wall was born on the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00005-00002234-00002530 19th of August 1907 in Shanker village Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00006-00002531-00002758 in Jalandhar district of Punjab he was Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00007-00002759-00002962 born into an agricultural family he Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00008-00002963-00003145 completed his intermediate high school Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00009-00003146-00003454 at Randhir College in Capitola he then Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00010-00003454-00003654 joined Government College Lahore and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00011-00003655-00003825 completed a degree in physics with Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00012-00003826-00004018 honors he then worked as a lecturer in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00013-00004019-00004324 physics in Lyallpur Khalsa College after Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00014-00004325-00004513 leaving this job he studied law in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00015-00004514-00004711 government law College in Lahore and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00016-00004712-00005041 received his LLB in 1932 he started a la Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00017-00005042-00005224 practice near his birth village in the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00018-00005225-00005463 nearby town of Jalandhar specializing in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00019-00005464-00006036 criminal law Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00020-00006037-00006584 topic political career Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00021-00006586-00006924 you Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00022-00006925-00007456 topic the early days Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00023-00007456-00007731 in 1930s he joined the akali dal Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00024-00007733-00007966 political party and by the mid 40s he Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00025-00007967-00008196 was a prominent leader in the mid 1940s Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00026-00008197-00008446 he played an important role in the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00027-00008447-00008647 compromise between the Indian National Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00028-00008648-00008863 Congress party and the Akali Dal in the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00029-00008864-00009169 early 1940s just before the 1946 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00030-00009170-00009379 elections the pantech party was formed Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00031-00009380-00009529 with Baldev Singh as the leader and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00032-00009530-00009831 Singh was elected its deputy leader in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00033-00009832-00010075 1946 he was elected a member of the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00034-00010076-00010354 Punjab Legislative Assembly he then Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00035-00010355-00010555 became parliamentary secretary to the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00036-00010556-00010746 Punjab coalition government he was a Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00037-00010747-00010948 member of the Punjab partition committee Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00038-00010949-00011140 where he played an important role on the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00039-00011141-00011446 15th of August 1947 the day of Indian Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00040-00011447-00011626 independence he was sworn in as home Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00041-00011627-00011809 minister in the cabinet of the state of Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00042-00011810-00012094 Punjab at the same time the capital of Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00043-00012095-00012298 the Punjab was shifted from Shimla to Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00044-00012299-00012589 Jalandhar on the 13th of May 1952 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00045-00012590-00012766 he resigned his position here when Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00046-00012767-00012958 jawaharlal nehru included him in the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00047-00012959-00013516 central cabinet Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00048-00013518-00014060 topic in the central government Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00049-00014061-00014285 he entered the cabinet of India's first Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00050-00014286-00014615 prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru in 1952 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00051-00014616-00014825 and was that government's last surviving Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00052-00014826-00015182 member he spent 23 years of his life as Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00053-00015183-00015383 a high-ranking cabinet minister in the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00054-00015384-00015613 Government of India he had a reputation Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00055-00015615-00015809 for being an effective debater and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00056-00015810-00016034 negotiator his debates at the UN Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00057-00016035-00016297 Security Council on Bangladesh is cause Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00058-00016299-00016700 when East Pakistan liberation war 1971 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00059-00016701-00017063 was in full swing were impressive a test Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00060-00017064-00017291 former Indian ambassador to the United Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00061-00017292-00017351 Nations Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00062-00017352-00017585 Narendra P Jain he proved to be more Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00063-00017586-00017819 than just a match for his then Pakistani Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00064-00017820-00018188 counterpart Zell fiqar Ali Bhutto during Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00065-00018189-00018407 one of the council debates when Bhutto Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00066-00018408-00018644 said that Sardar hands are full of blood Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00067-00018645-00018893 in conflict swarn Singh got up and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00068-00018894-00019222 showed his clean spotless hands he was Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00069-00019223-00019400 familiar with and was a proficient Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00070-00019401-00019691 speaker of several languages he assisted Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00071-00019692-00019907 Jawaharlal Nehru in his talks with the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00072-00019908-00020102 Chinese leader Cho and lie on the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00073-00020103-00020450 Indochina border questioned in 1960 he Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00074-00020451-00020630 was in the Indian delegation during the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00075-00020631-00020850 six rounds of talks with Pakistan in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00076-00020851-00021025 1962-63 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00077-00021026-00021191 he remained a part of successive Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00078-00021192-00021338 governments until he resigned in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00079-00021339-00021722 November 1975 he was elected to the Lok Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00080-00021723-00022771 Sabha in 1957 1962 1967 and 1972 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00081-00022772-00023320 topic cabinet positions Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00082-00023321-00023545 to this date he is the longest-serving Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00083-00023546-00023764 Union cabinet minister in India Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00084-00023765-00024040 Babu Jai's given Ram holds the record Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00085-00024041-00024271 for maximum duration as cabinet minister Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00086-00024272-00024505 ie around 30 years but the record for Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00087-00024506-00024703 consistent and uninterrupted membership Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00088-00024704-00024901 of the cabinet in continuation as held Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00089-00024902-00025216 by mr. Swaran Singh he is best known for Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00090-00025217-00025396 his role as India's External Affairs Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00091-00025397-00025624 Minister equivalent to Secretary of Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00092-00025625-00025813 State he was also president of the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00093-00025814-00026652 National Congress in 1969 and 1978 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00094-00026654-00027257 topic External Affairs Minister Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00095-00027258-00027658 he visited the USSR in July 1966 along Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00096-00027659-00027877 with then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00097-00027877-00028151 he led the Indian delegation to the UN Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00098-00028152-00028457 General Assembly in 1971 to explain Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00099-00028458-00028661 India's position in the ongoing war with Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00100-00028662-00028952 Pakistan on the 12th of December 1971 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00101-00028952-00029146 while the war went on mr. Singh Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00102-00029147-00029305 addressed the United Nations Security Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00103-00029306-00029530 Council for an hour and a half an Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00104-00029531-00029824 imposing turban figure he said over and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00105-00029825-00029992 over that the root cause of the conflict Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00106-00029993-00030277 was the brutal repression of the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00107-00030278-00030461 populace in East Pakistan by the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00108-00030462-00030670 Pakistani military government and the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00109-00030671-00030905 forced flight of East Pakistani refugees Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00110-00030906-00031162 to India George HW Bush who at the time Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00111-00031163-00031408 was the US ambassador to the UN and led Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00112-00031409-00031636 the US delegation at the UN Security Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00113-00031637-00031823 Council demanded an unconditional Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00114-00031824-00032048 ceasefire by India to which Swaran Singh Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00115-00032049-00032324 responded this one-sided and partisan Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00116-00032325-00032480 attitude of the distinguished Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00117-00032481-00032714 representative of the United States has Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00118-00032714-00033029 shocked and surprised us the US has Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00119-00033030-00033220 entitled to its own opinions and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00120-00033221-00033562 interpretations so are we but facts are Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00121-00033563-00033824 facts and must be stated right from the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00122-00033825-00034001 beginning of this unfortunate situation Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00123-00034002-00034235 that has arisen in the subcontinent Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00124-00034236-00034457 India had been asking for a political Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00125-00034458-00034702 settlement acceptable to elected and Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00126-00034703-00034895 acknowledged representatives of the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00127-00034896-00035233 people of Bangladesh on the 16th of Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00128-00035234-00035504 December 1971 the secessionist leaders Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00129-00035505-00035776 of newly born Bangladesh previously East Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00130-00035777-00035965 Pakistan took over when the West Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00131-00035966-00036151 Pakistan troops there surrendered to Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00132-00036152-00036386 joint forces of Bangladesh and India who Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00133-00036387-00036593 had seized the capital city of Dhaka now Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00134-00036594-00036914 Dhaka at the United Nations mr. Singh Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00135-00036915-00037085 called on the world to recognize the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00136-00037086-00037694 reality of Bangladesh Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00137-00037695-00038245 topic Swaran Singh committee Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00138-00038246-00038519 Sardar Swaran Singh was chairperson of Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00139-00038520-00038654 the committee entrusted with the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00140-00038655-00038819 responsibility of studying the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00141-00038820-00039122 Constitution of India in 1976 during the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00142-00039123-00039248 national emergency Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00143-00039249-00039479 soon after the Declaration of the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00144-00039480-00039695 national emergency Indira Gandhi Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00145-00039696-00039845 constituted a committee under the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00146-00039846-00040070 chairmanship of Sardar Soran Singh to Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00147-00040071-00040226 study the question of amending the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00148-00040227-00040388 Constitution in the light of past Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00149-00040389-00040703 experiences based on its recommendations Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00150-00040704-00040874 the government incorporated several Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00151-00040875-00041090 changes to the Constitution including Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00152-00041091-00041303 the preamble through the 42nd Amendment Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00153-00041304-00041518 of the Constitution of India passed in Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00154-00041519-00041786 1976 and came into effect on the 3rd of Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00155-00041787-00042342 January 1977 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00156-00042343-00042675 topic Awards Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00157-00042676-00042831 you Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00158-00042832-00043113 he was awarded Padma Vibhushan award the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00159-00043114-00043272 second highest civil award by the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00160-00043273-00044005 Republic of India in 1992 won Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00161-00044006-00044320 topic the eminent persons group on South Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00162-00044321-00044692 Africa Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00163-00044693-00044951 Sardar Swaran Singh met with Nelson Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00164-00044952-00045148 Mandela in prison three times in the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00165-00045149-00045464 mid-1980s he was a member of the eminent Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00166-00045465-00045695 persons group on South Africa sponsored Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00167-00045696-00045868 by the Commonwealth Institute that Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00168-00045869-00046079 consisted of malcolm fraser who had been Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00169-00046080-00046267 prime minister of australia for eight Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00170-00046268-00046310 years Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00171-00046311-00046552 general abbas anjo of nigeria lord Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00172-00046553-00046717 barber who had been Edward Heath Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00173-00046718-00046939 Chancellor of the Exchequer and was also Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00174-00046940-00047098 chairman of the Standard Chartered Bank Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00175-00047099-00047377 Dame Nita Barrow Reverend Scott and John Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00176-00047378-00047620 Malik Ella a Tanzanian former government Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00177-00047621-00047905 minister the group went to South Africa Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00178-00047906-00048064 and spent five weeks there to collect Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00179-00048065-00048286 information interact with local people Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00180-00048287-00048482 and met with Nelson Mandela and the ANC Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00181-00048483-00048704 their findings were published by the Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00182-00048705-00048943 Commonwealth Institute entitle mission Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00183-00048944-00049692 to South Africa the Commonwealth report Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00184-00049693-00050303 topic UNESCO boards of directors Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00185-00050304-00050577 Sardar Swaran Singh served as a member Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00186-00050578-00050892 of board of directors from 1985 to 1989 Eb7Qx-Hm7b8-00187-00050893-00051432 for sessions 123 to 132 EcdzGY_hOqg-00000-00000000-00000333 foreign EcdzGY_hOqg-00001-00000334-00001014 [Music] EcdzGY_hOqg-00002-00001015-00003652 [Music] EcdzGY_hOqg-00003-00003653-00004867 [Music] EcdzGY_hOqg-00004-00004868-00006356 thank you EcdzGY_hOqg-00005-00006357-00006964 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EdFYVS3s9R4-00013-00005280-00005518 share EdFYVS3s9R4-00014-00005519-00005986 all right so this month at Brewing Club EdFYVS3s9R4-00015-00005987-00006125 um and and for those who are new to EdFYVS3s9R4-00016-00006126-00006347 bring Club this is our weekly Community EdFYVS3s9R4-00017-00006348-00006664 conversation on everyday life stuff EdFYVS3s9R4-00018-00006665-00006928 um so spring cleaning we mean in the EdFYVS3s9R4-00019-00006929-00007103 metaphorical sense we're like actually EdFYVS3s9R4-00020-00007104-00007367 not cleaning I haven't actually cleaned EdFYVS3s9R4-00021-00007368-00007559 anything and like whoever knows how long EdFYVS3s9R4-00022-00007559-00007753 we're talking about you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00023-00007754-00008189 metaphorically shedding of ideas so all EdFYVS3s9R4-00024-00008190-00008477 month long different each week like what EdFYVS3s9R4-00025-00008478-00008687 no longer serves you EdFYVS3s9R4-00026-00008688-00008974 um what are some old ideas or some old EdFYVS3s9R4-00027-00008975-00009214 habits or some old ways of seeing the EdFYVS3s9R4-00028-00009215-00009455 world that are not really working EdFYVS3s9R4-00029-00009456-00009592 um which is you know we have this EdFYVS3s9R4-00030-00009593-00009814 conversation uh every week at Brink club EdFYVS3s9R4-00031-00009815-00009964 we just call it something different so EdFYVS3s9R4-00032-00009965-00010042 anyway EdFYVS3s9R4-00033-00010043-00010187 um but this week we're going to be EdFYVS3s9R4-00034-00010188-00010445 talking about what no longer serves us EdFYVS3s9R4-00035-00010446-00010655 with regard to education EdFYVS3s9R4-00036-00010656-00010810 so EdFYVS3s9R4-00037-00010811-00010973 um just before we before we jump into EdFYVS3s9R4-00038-00010974-00011195 the topic and I introduce our panelists EdFYVS3s9R4-00039-00011196-00011405 so we're joined by our community EdFYVS3s9R4-00040-00011406-00011591 panelists this week EdFYVS3s9R4-00041-00011592-00011909 um just some introductions so all forms EdFYVS3s9R4-00042-00011910-00012155 of participation are okay here you as EdFYVS3s9R4-00043-00012156-00012346 many of you have figured out already you EdFYVS3s9R4-00044-00012347-00012617 can have your video on or off and even EdFYVS3s9R4-00045-00012618-00012796 if it's on we do not expect anything of EdFYVS3s9R4-00046-00012797-00012958 you we certainly don't need you to look EdFYVS3s9R4-00047-00012959-00013222 at the camera you know walk move fidget EdFYVS3s9R4-00048-00013223-00013565 stim eat leave come back and everyone is EdFYVS3s9R4-00049-00013566-00013829 welcome and all communication is okay EdFYVS3s9R4-00050-00013830-00014141 you can unmute and use math words you EdFYVS3s9R4-00051-00014141-00014386 can type in the chat you can gesture you EdFYVS3s9R4-00052-00014387-00014555 can do all the above EdFYVS3s9R4-00053-00014556-00014765 um just a word about language you'll EdFYVS3s9R4-00054-00014766-00014933 hear me EdFYVS3s9R4-00055-00014934-00015161 um if I use if I use this term which I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-00056-00015162-00015388 often speaking about my own identity so EdFYVS3s9R4-00057-00015390-00015701 I use the term autistic EdFYVS3s9R4-00058-00015702-00015833 um because EdFYVS3s9R4-00059-00015834-00016019 um I am autistic and it's part of my EdFYVS3s9R4-00060-00016019-00016307 identity and you may hear other people EdFYVS3s9R4-00061-00016308-00016583 um speaking about their neurotype in EdFYVS3s9R4-00062-00016584-00016822 terms of identity first language you may EdFYVS3s9R4-00063-00016823-00017015 also hear people talking about their EdFYVS3s9R4-00064-00017016-00017230 neurotype in person first language and EdFYVS3s9R4-00065-00017231-00017386 so you're welcome to speak about EdFYVS3s9R4-00066-00017387-00017579 speaking without whatever terms about EdFYVS3s9R4-00067-00017580-00017765 your own identity EdFYVS3s9R4-00068-00017766-00018035 um are are comfortable for you EdFYVS3s9R4-00069-00018036-00018185 um because certainly it's not a it's not EdFYVS3s9R4-00070-00018186-00018436 a one it's not a one size fits-all for EdFYVS3s9R4-00071-00018437-00018647 anything EdFYVS3s9R4-00072-00018648-00018857 um safety comes first here at brainclub EdFYVS3s9R4-00073-00018858-00019079 so in addition to affirming all aspects EdFYVS3s9R4-00074-00019080-00019289 of identity it's really important to us EdFYVS3s9R4-00075-00019290-00019403 that we respect and protect one EdFYVS3s9R4-00076-00019404-00019547 another's access needs what everyone EdFYVS3s9R4-00077-00019548-00019727 needs to meaningfully and fully EdFYVS3s9R4-00078-00019728-00019913 participate and whatever that means to EdFYVS3s9R4-00079-00019914-00020075 them and and on our next slide we're EdFYVS3s9R4-00080-00020076-00020236 going to talk more about that but the EdFYVS3s9R4-00081-00020237-00020471 last thing I'll say here is that just as EdFYVS3s9R4-00082-00020472-00020639 a reminder this is an educational event EdFYVS3s9R4-00083-00020640-00020843 it's not a medical or therapeutic event EdFYVS3s9R4-00084-00020844-00021094 so individual traumatic experiences are EdFYVS3s9R4-00085-00021095-00021286 best processed in a therapeutic setting EdFYVS3s9R4-00086-00021287-00021539 of which spring club is not EdFYVS3s9R4-00087-00021540-00021839 so back to access so EdFYVS3s9R4-00088-00021840-00022030 um because we all have different brains EdFYVS3s9R4-00089-00022031-00022289 who communicate think learn process EdFYVS3s9R4-00090-00022290-00022828 differently in order to create space and EdFYVS3s9R4-00091-00022829-00023122 time for a broad range of communication EdFYVS3s9R4-00092-00023123-00023453 access needs we may periodically pause EdFYVS3s9R4-00093-00023454-00023743 to just give give space for for for EdFYVS3s9R4-00094-00023744-00024047 people to enter the conversation if they EdFYVS3s9R4-00095-00024048-00024430 choose to there's no pressure at all to EdFYVS3s9R4-00096-00024431-00024653 directly communicate during during EdFYVS3s9R4-00097-00024654-00024905 Brewing Club at all observation is a EdFYVS3s9R4-00098-00024906-00025153 completely valid form of participation EdFYVS3s9R4-00099-00025154-00025439 and there may be people who want to EdFYVS3s9R4-00100-00025440-00025637 share some ideas but if the EdFYVS3s9R4-00101-00025638-00025817 conversations like ping-ponging too EdFYVS3s9R4-00102-00025818-00026099 quickly it's hard to like insert oneself EdFYVS3s9R4-00103-00026100-00026308 into conversation that's why giving EdFYVS3s9R4-00104-00026310-00026620 processing space and time is important EdFYVS3s9R4-00105-00026622-00026783 so we will do that EdFYVS3s9R4-00106-00026783-00026914 okay EdFYVS3s9R4-00107-00026916-00027245 last bit of access closed captioning is EdFYVS3s9R4-00108-00027245-00027502 enabled you just need to toggle it on if EdFYVS3s9R4-00109-00027504-00027737 you'd like to use it so depending on EdFYVS3s9R4-00110-00027738-00027958 your version of Zoom you can click EdFYVS3s9R4-00111-00027960-00028193 either the live transcript closed EdFYVS3s9R4-00112-00028194-00028367 captioning icon and if you don't see EdFYVS3s9R4-00113-00028368-00028702 that try the more dot dot dot and choose EdFYVS3s9R4-00114-00028704-00028924 show subtitles and you can do the same EdFYVS3s9R4-00115-00028925-00029224 if you change your mind add subtitles to EdFYVS3s9R4-00116-00029225-00029339 turn them off EdFYVS3s9R4-00117-00029339-00029464 okay EdFYVS3s9R4-00118-00029466-00029855 so what no longer serves Us in education EdFYVS3s9R4-00119-00029856-00029999 so EdFYVS3s9R4-00120-00030000-00030058 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00121-00030060-00030377 I'm gonna share a quote that Sarah EdFYVS3s9R4-00122-00030377-00030695 pulled for us from John Holt EdFYVS3s9R4-00123-00030695-00030977 um uh children learn from anything and EdFYVS3s9R4-00124-00030977-00031252 everything they see they learn wherever EdFYVS3s9R4-00125-00031254-00031505 they are not just in special learning EdFYVS3s9R4-00126-00031506-00031714 places EdFYVS3s9R4-00127-00031716-00032195 and I think as as we reimagine so many EdFYVS3s9R4-00128-00032195-00032381 things EdFYVS3s9R4-00129-00032382-00032674 um it's so it's uh the invitation might EdFYVS3s9R4-00130-00032675-00033077 come from just rethinking what EdFYVS3s9R4-00131-00033078-00033359 what education is about EdFYVS3s9R4-00132-00033360-00033755 um and as we think about EdFYVS3s9R4-00133-00033756-00034301 uh reimagining the uh the defaults part EdFYVS3s9R4-00134-00034302-00034762 of that is is is learning from EdFYVS3s9R4-00135-00034763-00034912 kids EdFYVS3s9R4-00136-00034913-00035249 kids have a lot of really amazing ideas EdFYVS3s9R4-00137-00035250-00035471 and I think that one of the one of the EdFYVS3s9R4-00138-00035472-00035668 things that we will hear one of the EdFYVS3s9R4-00139-00035669-00035849 themes that I think we'll hear from our EdFYVS3s9R4-00140-00035850-00035981 our panelists because they're all EdFYVS3s9R4-00141-00035982-00036173 they're they're all returning panelists EdFYVS3s9R4-00142-00036174-00036383 we're very very uh thrilled to have EdFYVS3s9R4-00143-00036384-00036665 returning panelists uh today EdFYVS3s9R4-00144-00036666-00036959 um and that that I think is is one of EdFYVS3s9R4-00145-00036960-00037271 the themes that we'll hear about so EdFYVS3s9R4-00146-00037272-00037367 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00147-00037368-00037727 our four panelists today EdFYVS3s9R4-00148-00037728-00038111 um so we have our asynchronous panelists EdFYVS3s9R4-00149-00038112-00038177 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00150-00038178-00038545 uh Cecilia Portland and Vicki Sunny EdFYVS3s9R4-00151-00038546-00038830 Educators from Turtle Island children's EdFYVS3s9R4-00152-00038831-00039173 center we have Anna house who is an EdFYVS3s9R4-00153-00039174-00039430 early childhood educator as well as a EdFYVS3s9R4-00154-00039431-00039623 family coach EdFYVS3s9R4-00155-00039624-00039880 um and Melissa Anderson who is a social EdFYVS3s9R4-00156-00039881-00040133 emotional learning coach here in EdFYVS3s9R4-00157-00040134-00040445 Montpelier as well as a special educator EdFYVS3s9R4-00158-00040446-00040589 um so EdFYVS3s9R4-00159-00040590-00040955 I'm gonna stop sharing and tell you a EdFYVS3s9R4-00160-00040956-00041123 little bit more and like maybe what we EdFYVS3s9R4-00161-00041124-00041399 can do is maybe I'll do the thing where EdFYVS3s9R4-00162-00041400-00041771 I Spotlight all of you as panelists and EdFYVS3s9R4-00163-00041772-00042023 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00164-00042024-00042299 and you can just smell is there a way EdFYVS3s9R4-00165-00042300-00042424 you could put your camera down a little EdFYVS3s9R4-00166-00042425-00042599 bit if we can't see like the bottom of EdFYVS3s9R4-00167-00042600-00042780 your face well I can't but EdFYVS3s9R4-00168-00042781-00043223 yeah what I probably need to do EdFYVS3s9R4-00169-00043224-00043445 um is raise my chair EdFYVS3s9R4-00170-00043446-00043739 there we go yes there you are thank you EdFYVS3s9R4-00171-00043740-00044002 yeah it's an internal conflicting access EdFYVS3s9R4-00172-00044003-00044399 need thing because I have a desktop and EdFYVS3s9R4-00173-00044400-00044879 so in order to be at eye level EdFYVS3s9R4-00174-00044880-00045107 it's this trade-off because I'm actually EdFYVS3s9R4-00175-00045108-00045268 I think I actually make people dizzy EdFYVS3s9R4-00176-00045269-00045437 when I'm too low on the screen because EdFYVS3s9R4-00177-00045438-00045646 of like the you know the the lines EdFYVS3s9R4-00178-00045647-00045845 anyway so it's like this non-stop of EdFYVS3s9R4-00179-00045846-00046030 like um can you see me no I have to EdFYVS3s9R4-00180-00046031-00046180 raise you oh I can't reach the mouse EdFYVS3s9R4-00181-00046181-00046373 anymore but it's all right so it's like EdFYVS3s9R4-00182-00046374-00046618 it's this it's this balance all day long EdFYVS3s9R4-00183-00046619-00047051 all right so thanks so much for sure EdFYVS3s9R4-00184-00047052-00047452 all right so I am going to EdFYVS3s9R4-00185-00047453-00047743 spotlight EdFYVS3s9R4-00186-00047744-00048233 Anna and Spotlight Melissa I think Jen EdFYVS3s9R4-00187-00048234-00048490 does not have internet EdFYVS3s9R4-00188-00048491-00048683 oh EdFYVS3s9R4-00189-00048684-00048785 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00190-00048786-00049187 add Spotlight so maybe what we can do is EdFYVS3s9R4-00191-00049188-00049535 um we can hear from Anna and Melissa and EdFYVS3s9R4-00192-00049536-00049973 then we'll pause and play a recording EdFYVS3s9R4-00193-00049974-00050261 with Vicki and Cecilia and then we'll EdFYVS3s9R4-00194-00050262-00050645 have plenty of time for conversation EdFYVS3s9R4-00195-00050646-00051319 foreign EdFYVS3s9R4-00196-00051320-00051785 so uh we can uh we can we can do any any EdFYVS3s9R4-00197-00051786-00051964 number of things EdFYVS3s9R4-00198-00051965-00052480 um you know I I I I I I think that um as EdFYVS3s9R4-00199-00052482-00052871 we shift away from the idea of school EdFYVS3s9R4-00200-00052872-00053111 being you know only one way to learn for EdFYVS3s9R4-00201-00053112-00053326 for students I wonder like what do you EdFYVS3s9R4-00202-00053327-00053975 think about that and you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00203-00053976-00054263 yeah I have a lot to say about that EdFYVS3s9R4-00204-00054264-00054599 uh and I also I appreciated you sending EdFYVS3s9R4-00205-00054600-00054754 the questions along so it kind of gave EdFYVS3s9R4-00206-00054755-00055000 me like as I was writing down some EdFYVS3s9R4-00207-00055001-00055180 thoughts when I was reading those it was EdFYVS3s9R4-00208-00055182-00055361 really helpful and I think you're right EdFYVS3s9R4-00209-00055362-00055613 the theme that I kind of came up with on EdFYVS3s9R4-00210-00055614-00055811 my own so it's interesting Mel you EdFYVS3s9R4-00211-00055812-00056092 mentioned this was that the kids are the EdFYVS3s9R4-00212-00056094-00056303 the Educators EdFYVS3s9R4-00213-00056304-00056530 um which is why I think I love teaching EdFYVS3s9R4-00214-00056532-00056849 and stay in teaching because they come EdFYVS3s9R4-00215-00056850-00057221 up with the best ideas so if you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00216-00057222-00057466 how to elicit the answers and ask the EdFYVS3s9R4-00217-00057467-00057582 right questions EdFYVS3s9R4-00218-00057583-00057880 uh their ideas just they blow my mind EdFYVS3s9R4-00219-00057882-00058066 every single time I do a lot of EdFYVS3s9R4-00220-00058067-00058325 restorative circles with kids you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00221-00058326-00058492 maybe two kids got in an argument on a EdFYVS3s9R4-00222-00058494-00058738 playground or there might be a group of EdFYVS3s9R4-00223-00058739-00058985 four people who are really struggling to EdFYVS3s9R4-00224-00058986-00059165 get along and so we sit down we have EdFYVS3s9R4-00225-00059166-00059369 these conversations using their EdFYVS3s9R4-00226-00059370-00059566 restorative Circle type model EdFYVS3s9R4-00227-00059567-00059891 and basically that's you sit down you EdFYVS3s9R4-00228-00059891-00060113 talk about what the problem is and then EdFYVS3s9R4-00229-00060114-00060365 you brainstorm Solutions and you pick a EdFYVS3s9R4-00230-00060366-00060509 couple of them and really dive deeper EdFYVS3s9R4-00231-00060510-00060821 into them but I could not make up these EdFYVS3s9R4-00232-00060822-00061049 things that the kids say I mean the the EdFYVS3s9R4-00233-00061050-00061349 solutions that they come up with are so EdFYVS3s9R4-00234-00061350-00061679 kind they're so forgiving they work you EdFYVS3s9R4-00235-00061679-00061894 know they they have ownership in them so EdFYVS3s9R4-00236-00061895-00062111 when they leave the circle they actually EdFYVS3s9R4-00237-00062112-00062357 go back and implement the things that EdFYVS3s9R4-00238-00062358-00062741 they come up with so you know it just my EdFYVS3s9R4-00239-00062741-00062987 as far as like shedding of ideas you EdFYVS3s9R4-00240-00062988-00063137 know I always thought like I'm the EdFYVS3s9R4-00241-00063138-00063269 teacher I have the experience I know EdFYVS3s9R4-00242-00063270-00063407 what I can tell them what they need to EdFYVS3s9R4-00243-00063408-00063797 do but once I let go of that idea EdFYVS3s9R4-00244-00063798-00064019 um I my mind was just opened up to these EdFYVS3s9R4-00245-00064020-00064523 kids brains that are absolutely amazing EdFYVS3s9R4-00246-00064524-00064792 that is amazing and I would I I'd like EdFYVS3s9R4-00247-00064794-00065063 us to come back to EdFYVS3s9R4-00248-00065064-00065411 the restorative Circle concept EdFYVS3s9R4-00249-00065412-00065644 um because I that that is that is really EdFYVS3s9R4-00250-00065645-00065813 cool and really interesting we've been EdFYVS3s9R4-00251-00065814-00065969 hearing a lot about that from others EdFYVS3s9R4-00252-00065970-00066263 over the last couple of months and EdFYVS3s9R4-00253-00066264-00066394 anyway I'd love to come back to that EdFYVS3s9R4-00254-00066395-00066526 because I think it's it's really EdFYVS3s9R4-00255-00066527-00066738 powerful EdFYVS3s9R4-00256-00066739-00067019 Anna what do you think EdFYVS3s9R4-00257-00067020-00067471 um is there one right way to learn EdFYVS3s9R4-00258-00067472-00067769 well I am just excited to be a returning EdFYVS3s9R4-00259-00067770-00067973 panelist because EdFYVS3s9R4-00260-00067974-00068206 um the first panel I was on with all EdFYVS3s9R4-00261-00068207-00068476 brains belong was about EdFYVS3s9R4-00262-00068477-00068597 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00263-00068598-00068963 my experience as an adult living with EdFYVS3s9R4-00264-00068964-00069244 dyslexia and EdFYVS3s9R4-00265-00069245-00069347 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00266-00069348-00069605 I think that school was really hard for EdFYVS3s9R4-00267-00069606-00069875 me as a kid because EdFYVS3s9R4-00268-00069876-00070025 um I was EdFYVS3s9R4-00269-00070026-00070325 you know I I was going through school in EdFYVS3s9R4-00270-00070326-00070487 a time when EdFYVS3s9R4-00271-00070488-00070738 um the idea was to try to kind of you EdFYVS3s9R4-00272-00070739-00070967 know sort of force around peg into a EdFYVS3s9R4-00273-00070968-00071153 square hole you know there was there was EdFYVS3s9R4-00274-00071154-00071393 only one way to learn and I found a lot EdFYVS3s9R4-00275-00071394-00071573 of coping mechanisms for that and and EdFYVS3s9R4-00276-00071574-00071747 being on the panel for all brains belong EdFYVS3s9R4-00277-00071748-00071885 was one of the first times I had EdFYVS3s9R4-00278-00071886-00072173 articulated some of that stuff realizing EdFYVS3s9R4-00279-00072174-00072461 how much I had EdFYVS3s9R4-00280-00072462-00073156 um created you know these kind of like EdFYVS3s9R4-00281-00073157-00073361 I I don't know what else to call it EdFYVS3s9R4-00282-00073362-00073571 aside from masking that's what you all EdFYVS3s9R4-00283-00073572-00073799 have have taught me to call it but it EdFYVS3s9R4-00284-00073800-00074075 was like these coping mechanisms became EdFYVS3s9R4-00285-00074076-00074297 the person was was the person that I EdFYVS3s9R4-00286-00074298-00074500 became and it's taken a lot for me to EdFYVS3s9R4-00287-00074501-00074729 get back to like how I authentically EdFYVS3s9R4-00288-00074730-00074981 learn and how I authentically like to EdFYVS3s9R4-00289-00074982-00075179 express myself EdFYVS3s9R4-00290-00075180-00075503 um what comes most naturally to me and EdFYVS3s9R4-00291-00075504-00075791 um so and I love love love love what EdFYVS3s9R4-00292-00075792-00075982 Melissa said about the kids being the EdFYVS3s9R4-00293-00075983-00076229 teacher because one of the one of the EdFYVS3s9R4-00294-00076230-00076505 things that transformed My Life as a EdFYVS3s9R4-00295-00076506-00076703 teacher and I want to start by saying I EdFYVS3s9R4-00296-00076704-00076909 remember very clearly in Middle School EdFYVS3s9R4-00297-00076910-00077182 thinking I will never be a teacher EdFYVS3s9R4-00298-00077183-00077459 teachers are the worst right and this EdFYVS3s9R4-00299-00077460-00077662 was like at the height of my educational EdFYVS3s9R4-00300-00077663-00077944 career of masking EdFYVS3s9R4-00301-00077945-00078238 um I was like they are awful and then EdFYVS3s9R4-00302-00078239-00078431 only like three years later I was like I EdFYVS3s9R4-00303-00078432-00078587 want to be a teacher EdFYVS3s9R4-00304-00078588-00078688 oh EdFYVS3s9R4-00305-00078689-00078887 so EdFYVS3s9R4-00306-00078888-00079187 um so yeah I have spent a lot of time in EdFYVS3s9R4-00307-00079188-00079421 education and one of the one of the EdFYVS3s9R4-00308-00079422-00079649 pivotal moments was for me was when I EdFYVS3s9R4-00309-00079650-00079853 started to imagine EdFYVS3s9R4-00310-00079854-00080219 or kind of dismantle this old Paradigm EdFYVS3s9R4-00311-00080220-00080429 thought that like children are these EdFYVS3s9R4-00312-00080430-00080609 empty vessels that need to be like EdFYVS3s9R4-00313-00080610-00080776 filled with information and so the EdFYVS3s9R4-00314-00080777-00080962 teacher's job is to like give them the EdFYVS3s9R4-00315-00080963-00081059 facts EdFYVS3s9R4-00316-00081060-00081203 um and that was kind of the hardest part EdFYVS3s9R4-00317-00081204-00081394 for me growing up in learning was that EdFYVS3s9R4-00318-00081395-00081599 like all these facts were laid out for EdFYVS3s9R4-00319-00081600-00081682 me EdFYVS3s9R4-00320-00081683-00081994 um to memorize and the way my brain EdFYVS3s9R4-00321-00081995-00082223 works it doesn't like file things in EdFYVS3s9R4-00322-00082224-00082612 that clear like memorizational order EdFYVS3s9R4-00323-00082613-00082762 um I had to come up with a lot of tricks EdFYVS3s9R4-00324-00082763-00082997 to recall that information EdFYVS3s9R4-00325-00082998-00083285 um and then you know come now 25 years EdFYVS3s9R4-00326-00083286-00083543 later I'm like oh I I know that stuff I EdFYVS3s9R4-00327-00083544-00083759 know it deep within myself I don't have EdFYVS3s9R4-00328-00083760-00084035 to memorize facts and figures all these EdFYVS3s9R4-00329-00084036-00084311 things that made me feel so unsmart and EdFYVS3s9R4-00330-00084312-00084605 so you know I only wish that I had a EdFYVS3s9R4-00331-00084606-00084844 teacher who was able to to see you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00332-00084845-00085061 what I now see which is that in fact EdFYVS3s9R4-00333-00085062-00085367 children are these whole complete beings EdFYVS3s9R4-00334-00085368-00085679 that just need the right soil and you EdFYVS3s9R4-00335-00085680-00085900 know sunlight and watering just to EdFYVS3s9R4-00336-00085901-00086147 Blossom like their own wisdom within EdFYVS3s9R4-00337-00086148-00086423 them can can unfold when they give them EdFYVS3s9R4-00338-00086424-00086687 spaces like a restorative Circle and I EdFYVS3s9R4-00339-00086688-00086909 also want to talk more about that EdFYVS3s9R4-00340-00086910-00087071 um because that just sounded amazing I EdFYVS3s9R4-00341-00087072-00087256 wrote it down and I was like wow you EdFYVS3s9R4-00342-00087257-00087437 know like when we give kids the space EdFYVS3s9R4-00343-00087438-00087599 it's like all of a sudden all this EdFYVS3s9R4-00344-00087600-00087881 wisdom just pours from them EdFYVS3s9R4-00345-00087882-00088103 um and I remember early on with my EdFYVS3s9R4-00346-00088104-00088361 daughter who just turned 17 EdFYVS3s9R4-00347-00088362-00088576 um you know she's like this tiny little EdFYVS3s9R4-00348-00088577-00088811 thing two and a half years old saying EdFYVS3s9R4-00349-00088812-00089087 profound wisdom and we would say how do EdFYVS3s9R4-00350-00089088-00089429 you know that oh I just know three years EdFYVS3s9R4-00351-00089430-00089638 old I just know EdFYVS3s9R4-00352-00089639-00089806 no you don't you don't even know how to EdFYVS3s9R4-00353-00089807-00090017 read how could you know that but now EdFYVS3s9R4-00354-00090018-00090209 that I've embraced this that concept EdFYVS3s9R4-00355-00090210-00090532 it's like I start to understand how her EdFYVS3s9R4-00356-00090533-00090737 brain makes meaning of the world and how EdFYVS3s9R4-00357-00090738-00091037 she knows and understands things and the EdFYVS3s9R4-00358-00091038-00091312 more respect and recognition I give her EdFYVS3s9R4-00359-00091313-00091661 um to have autonomy in her own education EdFYVS3s9R4-00360-00091662-00091918 um the more profound wisdom seems to EdFYVS3s9R4-00361-00091919-00092194 just pour from her her being EdFYVS3s9R4-00362-00092195-00092447 um and so I wanted to close by saying my EdFYVS3s9R4-00363-00092448-00092656 my favorite book that I bought recently EdFYVS3s9R4-00364-00092657-00092999 is titled raising Free People EdFYVS3s9R4-00365-00093000-00093347 and the woman who wrote it EdFYVS3s9R4-00366-00093348-00093550 um I've I've I follow her on social EdFYVS3s9R4-00367-00093551-00093761 media and I'm now also a member of her EdFYVS3s9R4-00368-00093762-00093953 patreon because I love all the content EdFYVS3s9R4-00369-00093954-00094175 she's providing and one of the terms EdFYVS3s9R4-00370-00094176-00094312 that she's coined is called EdFYVS3s9R4-00371-00094313-00094499 schoolishness EdFYVS3s9R4-00372-00094500-00094876 and so she's like how do we like how do EdFYVS3s9R4-00373-00094877-00095200 we examine our own schoolishness EdFYVS3s9R4-00374-00095201-00095459 um you know these kind of EdFYVS3s9R4-00375-00095460-00095717 um these ideas that we have around you EdFYVS3s9R4-00376-00095718-00095921 know power over an authoritarian EdFYVS3s9R4-00377-00095922-00096215 concepts of adults like you know having EdFYVS3s9R4-00378-00096216-00096353 to EdFYVS3s9R4-00379-00096354-00096671 um uh kind of direct everything and how EdFYVS3s9R4-00380-00096672-00096899 do we kind of unpack that and leave more EdFYVS3s9R4-00381-00096900-00097079 space for EdFYVS3s9R4-00382-00097080-00097312 um you know sort of more natural EdFYVS3s9R4-00383-00097313-00097576 unfolding of learning as a lifestyle EdFYVS3s9R4-00384-00097577-00098021 learning as an everyday occurrence EdFYVS3s9R4-00385-00098022-00098285 um thank you Mel just put the link to my EdFYVS3s9R4-00386-00098286-00098471 website on there so EdFYVS3s9R4-00387-00098472-00098747 um I just I love providing EdFYVS3s9R4-00388-00098748-00098950 um resources for families who want to EdFYVS3s9R4-00389-00098951-00099179 unpack this stuff within their EdFYVS3s9R4-00390-00099180-00099473 households as well as Educators EdFYVS3s9R4-00391-00099474-00099703 um who want to just like keep EdFYVS3s9R4-00392-00099704-00100012 evolving with the ideas of how to EdFYVS3s9R4-00393-00100013-00100300 continuously create more spaces for for EdFYVS3s9R4-00394-00100301-00100511 kids to be in that EdFYVS3s9R4-00395-00100512-00100600 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00396-00100601-00100853 you know in in an environment in which EdFYVS3s9R4-00397-00100854-00101123 they really truly feel like their brain EdFYVS3s9R4-00398-00101124-00101356 belongs I think that that's really EdFYVS3s9R4-00399-00101357-00101597 special and we might see something that EdFYVS3s9R4-00400-00101598-00101831 we've never seen before happen if we can EdFYVS3s9R4-00401-00101832-00102071 really create those kinds of spaces EdFYVS3s9R4-00402-00102072-00102238 thanks for inviting me to be on the EdFYVS3s9R4-00403-00102239-00102454 panel EdFYVS3s9R4-00404-00102455-00102671 and uh thanks for recommending a book EdFYVS3s9R4-00405-00102672-00102880 I'm going to recommend one as well EdFYVS3s9R4-00406-00102881-00103121 um one that I wish that I could carry EdFYVS3s9R4-00407-00103122-00103301 copies around in my purse and hand them EdFYVS3s9R4-00408-00103302-00103468 out to every single person who talks to EdFYVS3s9R4-00409-00103469-00103601 Children EdFYVS3s9R4-00410-00103602-00103853 um it's called good inside by Dr Becky EdFYVS3s9R4-00411-00103854-00104003 Kennedy EdFYVS3s9R4-00412-00104004-00104368 um and it's just a really good resource EdFYVS3s9R4-00413-00104369-00104771 for how to respectfully talk to kids and EdFYVS3s9R4-00414-00104772-00105023 provide you know ask them questions and EdFYVS3s9R4-00415-00105024-00105233 talk to them in a way that gives them EdFYVS3s9R4-00416-00105233-00105545 the autonomy of figuring things out for EdFYVS3s9R4-00417-00105546-00105827 themselves so instead of you know the EdFYVS3s9R4-00418-00105828-00106019 adult putting the parameters in place EdFYVS3s9R4-00419-00106020-00106271 and saying do one of these things the EdFYVS3s9R4-00420-00106272-00106528 the technique that and and the way that EdFYVS3s9R4-00421-00106529-00106931 she uses it is so respectful and it's EdFYVS3s9R4-00422-00106932-00107110 just it's absolutely amazing I've read EdFYVS3s9R4-00423-00107111-00107333 it three times already because it's more EdFYVS3s9R4-00424-00107333-00107573 for um parents of younger kids but I EdFYVS3s9R4-00425-00107574-00107849 have teenagers and just when I'm like is EdFYVS3s9R4-00426-00107850-00108016 this the book I really need she'll say EdFYVS3s9R4-00427-00108017-00108190 something in the book like you may think EdFYVS3s9R4-00428-00108191-00108539 it's too late it's not keep reading so EdFYVS3s9R4-00429-00108540-00108773 yeah it uh I'm gonna check out your EdFYVS3s9R4-00430-00108774-00108971 recommendation Anna but also I wanted to EdFYVS3s9R4-00431-00108972-00109151 put that one in there thanks for post EdFYVS3s9R4-00432-00109152-00109402 posting the link Mill thank you I love EdFYVS3s9R4-00433-00109403-00109636 that one of my favorite phrases to just EdFYVS3s9R4-00434-00109638-00109931 constantly come back to is I wonder EdFYVS3s9R4-00435-00109932-00110236 you know I it's my favorite thing is to EdFYVS3s9R4-00436-00110238-00110458 instill this sense of wonder in every EdFYVS3s9R4-00437-00110459-00110686 moment with kids EdFYVS3s9R4-00438-00110688-00110927 um and you know even just being able EdFYVS3s9R4-00439-00110928-00111107 like you said just EdFYVS3s9R4-00440-00111108-00111371 the the process of like asking questions EdFYVS3s9R4-00441-00111372-00111719 and giving space and waiting for their EdFYVS3s9R4-00442-00111720-00111833 answers EdFYVS3s9R4-00443-00111833-00111886 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00444-00111888-00112139 so anytime I find myself wanting to like EdFYVS3s9R4-00445-00112140-00112552 insert my own opinion I step back and EdFYVS3s9R4-00446-00112553-00112757 I'm like how can I start that sentence EdFYVS3s9R4-00447-00112758-00113081 with I wonder it is such hard work it's EdFYVS3s9R4-00448-00113082-00113375 such hard work as the adult to like bite EdFYVS3s9R4-00449-00113376-00113669 your tongue and not insert yourself I EdFYVS3s9R4-00450-00113670-00113860 mean it's like very intentional and you EdFYVS3s9R4-00451-00113861-00113999 have to think about it carefully every EdFYVS3s9R4-00452-00114000-00114184 single time EdFYVS3s9R4-00453-00114185-00114490 and I would also say that when you say I EdFYVS3s9R4-00454-00114491-00114778 wonder you have to act truly be EdFYVS3s9R4-00455-00114779-00115013 wondering sometimes I wonder is used as EdFYVS3s9R4-00456-00115014-00115240 like a manipulative tool of like I EdFYVS3s9R4-00457-00115241-00115384 wonder but like you don't really wonder EdFYVS3s9R4-00458-00115385-00115607 you're just trying to like manipulate EdFYVS3s9R4-00459-00115608-00115751 someone so EdFYVS3s9R4-00460-00115752-00116183 um as the parent of a PDA or and a PDA EdFYVS3s9R4-00461-00116183-00116357 or myself EdFYVS3s9R4-00462-00116358-00116860 um I can smell a foe I wonder like none EdFYVS3s9R4-00463-00116861-00117119 other and so can Luna anyway so uh EdFYVS3s9R4-00464-00117120-00117281 Christina's saying oh yeah now my EdFYVS3s9R4-00465-00117282-00117389 daughter picks up on that right away EdFYVS3s9R4-00466-00117390-00117647 yeah yeah EdFYVS3s9R4-00467-00117648-00117881 um you know what I'm gonna do I'm going EdFYVS3s9R4-00468-00117882-00118331 to play the video from just uh from from EdFYVS3s9R4-00469-00118332-00118865 Vicky and Cecilia EdFYVS3s9R4-00470-00118866-00119110 are working with the EdFYVS3s9R4-00471-00119111-00119363 the the the tiniest of the little ones EdFYVS3s9R4-00472-00119364-00119657 like the under fives so EdFYVS3s9R4-00473-00119658-00119902 um let's see so we were talking about EdFYVS3s9R4-00474-00119903-00120208 education through the lifespan EdFYVS3s9R4-00475-00120209-00120508 all right so open EdFYVS3s9R4-00476-00120509-00120784 and then share screen quick with sound EdFYVS3s9R4-00477-00120785-00121139 okay so we're here today with um with EdFYVS3s9R4-00478-00121140-00121408 Vicki and Cecilia who both work at EdFYVS3s9R4-00479-00121409-00121619 Turtle Island children's center EdFYVS3s9R4-00480-00121620-00121949 and um we're talking today Vicki and EdFYVS3s9R4-00481-00121950-00122249 Cecilia about sort of zooming out EdFYVS3s9R4-00482-00122250-00122428 um this whole month is about you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00483-00122429-00122675 metaphorical spring cleaning kind of EdFYVS3s9R4-00484-00122676-00122951 moving past some of the paradigms that EdFYVS3s9R4-00485-00122952-00123190 maybe we grew up with EdFYVS3s9R4-00486-00123191-00123436 um maybe our training even was in and EdFYVS3s9R4-00487-00123438-00123671 kind of learning how to zoom out and do EdFYVS3s9R4-00488-00123672-00123863 the bigger picture EdFYVS3s9R4-00489-00123864-00124049 um and I know that Turtle Island is very EdFYVS3s9R4-00490-00124050-00124277 intentional about setting a space that EdFYVS3s9R4-00491-00124278-00124510 feels welcoming for the children and the EdFYVS3s9R4-00492-00124511-00124751 staff so I'd love to hear more about EdFYVS3s9R4-00493-00124752-00124954 that you know how do you metaphorically EdFYVS3s9R4-00494-00124955-00125284 you know spring clean and create a space EdFYVS3s9R4-00495-00125285-00125597 that's so welcoming EdFYVS3s9R4-00496-00125598-00125897 a great question I I think you know it's EdFYVS3s9R4-00497-00125898-00126113 definitely something that these like you EdFYVS3s9R4-00498-00126114-00126299 said intentionality EdFYVS3s9R4-00499-00126300-00126431 um and is not something that happens EdFYVS3s9R4-00500-00126432-00126551 overnight EdFYVS3s9R4-00501-00126552-00126760 um and it takes a variety of folks EdFYVS3s9R4-00502-00126761-00126881 working together EdFYVS3s9R4-00503-00126882-00126952 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00504-00126953-00127216 I think for me the biggest part of it EdFYVS3s9R4-00505-00127217-00127360 whether we're talking about the physical EdFYVS3s9R4-00506-00127361-00127552 environment or sort of the you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00507-00127553-00127751 metaphorical environment EdFYVS3s9R4-00508-00127752-00128008 um is it comes down to respect for EdFYVS3s9R4-00509-00128009-00128123 humans EdFYVS3s9R4-00510-00128124-00128345 um so whether they're our youngest EdFYVS3s9R4-00511-00128346-00128758 humans or you know teacher humans or any EdFYVS3s9R4-00512-00128759-00128873 kind of human EdFYVS3s9R4-00513-00128874-00129102 um respect is sort of the First EdFYVS3s9R4-00514-00129103-00129419 Foundation that we work with and that EdFYVS3s9R4-00515-00129420-00129671 might look like respecting the child to EdFYVS3s9R4-00516-00129672-00129923 enough to set up the environment that EdFYVS3s9R4-00517-00129924-00130186 encourages their learning EdFYVS3s9R4-00518-00130188-00130360 um it could look like EdFYVS3s9R4-00519-00130361-00130595 you know creating a space where teachers EdFYVS3s9R4-00520-00130596-00130889 are able to call the Housing and EdFYVS3s9R4-00521-00130890-00131116 Development uh office if that's EdFYVS3s9R4-00522-00131117-00131309 something that they need to do EdFYVS3s9R4-00523-00131310-00131573 um because we are all human and that's EdFYVS3s9R4-00524-00131574-00131735 where we're operating from and there's EdFYVS3s9R4-00525-00131736-00132023 all this interconnectivity so it doesn't EdFYVS3s9R4-00526-00132024-00132227 make sense anymore EdFYVS3s9R4-00527-00132228-00132413 to focus on the individual and EdFYVS3s9R4-00528-00132414-00132652 perpetuate individualism EdFYVS3s9R4-00529-00132653-00132881 um for us it makes sense to work EdFYVS3s9R4-00530-00132882-00133061 together because we're all connected as EdFYVS3s9R4-00531-00133062-00133319 humans into this to this earth EdFYVS3s9R4-00532-00133320-00133564 yeah yeah and we you know with this EdFYVS3s9R4-00533-00133565-00133745 topic of spring cleaning and what no EdFYVS3s9R4-00534-00133746-00133985 longer serves us as humans and just as EdFYVS3s9R4-00535-00133986-00134243 people in the world who have this idea EdFYVS3s9R4-00536-00134244-00134411 that we are we want to connect to EdFYVS3s9R4-00537-00134412-00134663 humanity we see children and people of EdFYVS3s9R4-00538-00134664-00134890 all ages as human EdFYVS3s9R4-00539-00134891-00135089 um it does require that consistent EdFYVS3s9R4-00540-00135090-00135257 spring cleaning in our brains kind of EdFYVS3s9R4-00541-00135258-00135473 like and it does require I think EdFYVS3s9R4-00542-00135474-00135737 assessing especially as like you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00543-00135738-00135887 Cecilia and I are the administrators EdFYVS3s9R4-00544-00135888-00136151 here and so we always have to question EdFYVS3s9R4-00545-00136152-00136295 like our own EdFYVS3s9R4-00546-00136296-00136523 um behaviors our own words the things EdFYVS3s9R4-00547-00136524-00136757 we're saying our own actions and it is EdFYVS3s9R4-00548-00136758-00136997 constant it like you said it's not a EdFYVS3s9R4-00549-00136998-00137214 like one and done situation it's EdFYVS3s9R4-00550-00137215-00137573 constantly assessing the things that I EdFYVS3s9R4-00551-00137574-00137783 say like this morning you said oh yeah I EdFYVS3s9R4-00552-00137784-00137975 I had a moment where I said something to EdFYVS3s9R4-00553-00137976-00138352 a child like I need you to do this and I EdFYVS3s9R4-00554-00138353-00138521 caught myself I was like what what does EdFYVS3s9R4-00555-00138522-00138689 that even mean and they're you know and EdFYVS3s9R4-00556-00138690-00138839 I've been doing this work for a very EdFYVS3s9R4-00557-00138840-00139163 long time and still reassessing EdFYVS3s9R4-00558-00139164-00139457 reflecting whatever am I saying what is EdFYVS3s9R4-00559-00139458-00139661 my intention do those things match up EdFYVS3s9R4-00560-00139662-00139961 and then do my actions also match with EdFYVS3s9R4-00561-00139962-00140207 that and it's like we've all been well EdFYVS3s9R4-00562-00140208-00140495 you know most of us have sort of EdFYVS3s9R4-00563-00140496-00140675 received the same kind of ideas about EdFYVS3s9R4-00564-00140676-00140819 the world EdFYVS3s9R4-00565-00140820-00141052 um through how we we've grown up and EdFYVS3s9R4-00566-00141053-00141239 still like how that's perpetuated EdFYVS3s9R4-00567-00141240-00141497 through stories through media through EdFYVS3s9R4-00568-00141498-00141652 school you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00569-00141653-00142031 um and so to get to the bottom of that EdFYVS3s9R4-00570-00142032-00142264 it just requires I think lifelong work EdFYVS3s9R4-00571-00142265-00142504 because it's so embedded EdFYVS3s9R4-00572-00142505-00142739 um and but as long as it's coming from a EdFYVS3s9R4-00573-00142740-00142954 place of love love for humans and love EdFYVS3s9R4-00574-00142955-00143183 for each other and compassion for EdFYVS3s9R4-00575-00143184-00143375 yourself too you know because we could EdFYVS3s9R4-00576-00143376-00143639 easily like beat ourselves up for saying EdFYVS3s9R4-00577-00143640-00143843 the wrong thing or you know did I do EdFYVS3s9R4-00578-00143844-00144064 that right did I because it happens to EdFYVS3s9R4-00579-00144065-00144389 me constantly and that's probably a good EdFYVS3s9R4-00580-00144390-00144545 thing you know because I'm I'm in EdFYVS3s9R4-00581-00144546-00144793 practice with children with teachers EdFYVS3s9R4-00582-00144794-00145078 sometimes I respond in a way that is not EdFYVS3s9R4-00583-00145079-00145211 my ideal EdFYVS3s9R4-00584-00145212-00145463 um yeah you know so I will reflect and EdFYVS3s9R4-00585-00145464-00145661 there are days where I really feel bad EdFYVS3s9R4-00586-00145662-00145877 about you know how I responded and I EdFYVS3s9R4-00587-00145878-00146123 want to go back and redo it fortunately EdFYVS3s9R4-00588-00146124-00146339 as humans we're also forgiving of each EdFYVS3s9R4-00589-00146340-00146614 other and welcoming the next day EdFYVS3s9R4-00590-00146615-00146890 um and so it's just kind of about that EdFYVS3s9R4-00591-00146891-00147293 the understanding um sorry about that no EdFYVS3s9R4-00592-00147294-00147364 problem EdFYVS3s9R4-00593-00147365-00147575 oh it's okay EdFYVS3s9R4-00594-00147576-00147652 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00595-00147653-00147863 and the other you know I wanted to just EdFYVS3s9R4-00596-00147864-00148054 reiterate what Vicki said about that EdFYVS3s9R4-00597-00148055-00148421 internal work we talk a lot about EdFYVS3s9R4-00598-00148422-00148673 um you have to put the oxygen mask on EdFYVS3s9R4-00599-00148674-00149075 First and that idea of that I think also EdFYVS3s9R4-00600-00149076-00149416 a lot of us have been part of society EdFYVS3s9R4-00601-00149417-00149704 that does not invite us to reflect on EdFYVS3s9R4-00602-00149705-00149854 our own EdFYVS3s9R4-00603-00149855-00150299 um moves and and to look internally and EdFYVS3s9R4-00604-00150300-00150545 unlearn maybe if that's what's happening EdFYVS3s9R4-00605-00150546-00150616 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00606-00150617-00150839 and that is a really really important EdFYVS3s9R4-00607-00150840-00151078 piece and I think as caregivers a lot of EdFYVS3s9R4-00608-00151079-00151325 us can say we're really good at EdFYVS3s9R4-00609-00151326-00151552 helping others with their needs but EdFYVS3s9R4-00610-00151553-00151709 we're maybe not so good at doing that EdFYVS3s9R4-00611-00151710-00151835 for ourselves EdFYVS3s9R4-00612-00151836-00152045 um and again I think that's another EdFYVS3s9R4-00613-00152046-00152375 thing if you are going to invite a child EdFYVS3s9R4-00614-00152376-00152554 to join you in something that's EdFYVS3s9R4-00615-00152555-00152759 respectful but you should be respecting EdFYVS3s9R4-00616-00152760-00153047 yourself as well as a human as that EdFYVS3s9R4-00617-00153048-00153226 human connection EdFYVS3s9R4-00618-00153227-00153299 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00619-00153300-00153461 and EdFYVS3s9R4-00620-00153462-00153778 we're all doing this together and we the EdFYVS3s9R4-00621-00153779-00153935 the thing that has felt really important EdFYVS3s9R4-00622-00153936-00154240 about our our space is that it's over EdFYVS3s9R4-00623-00154241-00154421 time that we're having conversations EdFYVS3s9R4-00624-00154422-00154673 together and we're collaboratively EdFYVS3s9R4-00625-00154674-00154913 problem solving with one another or you EdFYVS3s9R4-00626-00154914-00155026 know inviting the children to EdFYVS3s9R4-00627-00155027-00155254 collaborative collaboratively problem EdFYVS3s9R4-00628-00155255-00155411 solved EdFYVS3s9R4-00629-00155412-00155639 um and it's a lot of connection it's a EdFYVS3s9R4-00630-00155640-00155890 lot of Funston talking and reflecting EdFYVS3s9R4-00631-00155891-00156143 and making a different Choice EdFYVS3s9R4-00632-00156144-00156316 um again whether that's working with the EdFYVS3s9R4-00633-00156317-00156647 children or for ourselves solving things EdFYVS3s9R4-00634-00156648-00157066 um and I think for so long EdFYVS3s9R4-00635-00157067-00157289 we've been in a world that hasn't even EdFYVS3s9R4-00636-00157290-00157499 invited us to like put our heads up to EdFYVS3s9R4-00637-00157500-00157721 see what's going on and I'm excited to EdFYVS3s9R4-00638-00157722-00157883 say that I feel more and more that EdFYVS3s9R4-00639-00157884-00158213 that's that's changing particularly in EdFYVS3s9R4-00640-00158214-00158452 where we are and then this small group EdFYVS3s9R4-00641-00158453-00158687 of brain Club I feel so EdFYVS3s9R4-00642-00158688-00158902 sort of inspired because I can recognize EdFYVS3s9R4-00643-00158903-00159076 that people are really trying to examine EdFYVS3s9R4-00644-00159077-00159299 these things that we've learned and say EdFYVS3s9R4-00645-00159300-00159497 this doesn't serve us anymore and we EdFYVS3s9R4-00646-00159498-00159725 don't have to deal with it we can change EdFYVS3s9R4-00647-00159726-00159971 it we can flip the perspective EdFYVS3s9R4-00648-00159972-00160175 um because we have power and we do have EdFYVS3s9R4-00649-00160176-00160390 agency as humans EdFYVS3s9R4-00650-00160391-00160690 um and collectively we have much more EdFYVS3s9R4-00651-00160691-00160966 power and agency to be able to do some EdFYVS3s9R4-00652-00160967-00161075 of those things EdFYVS3s9R4-00653-00161076-00161363 yeah we ever since all brains came along EdFYVS3s9R4-00654-00161364-00161549 or that we first learned about all EdFYVS3s9R4-00655-00161550-00161789 brains I think we were just so jazzed EdFYVS3s9R4-00656-00161790-00161945 because EdFYVS3s9R4-00657-00161946-00162061 um you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00658-00162062-00162376 finally it just feels like the EdFYVS3s9R4-00659-00162377-00162559 conversation is being lifted up EdFYVS3s9R4-00660-00162560-00162802 everybody's normal you know there is no EdFYVS3s9R4-00661-00162803-00163175 normal or everybody and um that feels so EdFYVS3s9R4-00662-00163176-00163589 so huge yeah because we're up against so EdFYVS3s9R4-00663-00163590-00163666 much EdFYVS3s9R4-00664-00163667-00163835 um in terms of that right just having EdFYVS3s9R4-00665-00163836-00164051 that idea and it's very sad that like EdFYVS3s9R4-00666-00164052-00164231 that's not the common idea in the world EdFYVS3s9R4-00667-00164232-00164459 but yeah um when I've been thinking a EdFYVS3s9R4-00668-00164460-00164602 lot lately about you know in early EdFYVS3s9R4-00669-00164603-00164837 childhood in this particular work there EdFYVS3s9R4-00670-00164838-00165004 are certain developmental stages that EdFYVS3s9R4-00671-00165005-00165175 children have to reach of course EdFYVS3s9R4-00672-00165176-00165425 according to you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00673-00165426-00165671 what people came up with many years ago EdFYVS3s9R4-00674-00165672-00165899 typically a white male scientist or EdFYVS3s9R4-00675-00165900-00166126 whatever it was and then there and then EdFYVS3s9R4-00676-00166127-00166252 once they leave the Early Childhood EdFYVS3s9R4-00677-00166253-00166421 realm they're they're up against these EdFYVS3s9R4-00678-00166422-00166583 standards that they have to meet in EdFYVS3s9R4-00679-00166584-00166757 order to move on to the next and all of EdFYVS3s9R4-00680-00166758-00166990 these stages and standards and it's like EdFYVS3s9R4-00681-00166991-00167183 I keep looking at these kids and they EdFYVS3s9R4-00682-00167184-00167393 just want to live in the world that that EdFYVS3s9R4-00683-00167394-00167663 exists you know they want to do stuff EdFYVS3s9R4-00684-00167664-00167933 that matters they want to like have EdFYVS3s9R4-00685-00167934-00168173 meetings with us about real things they EdFYVS3s9R4-00686-00168174-00168328 want to put their hands and their bodies EdFYVS3s9R4-00687-00168329-00168683 and Minds to work and here we are you EdFYVS3s9R4-00688-00168684-00168952 know like just I'm just saying that EdFYVS3s9R4-00689-00168953-00169139 because it's like such a huge force that EdFYVS3s9R4-00690-00169140-00169349 we're up against in this in all of these EdFYVS3s9R4-00691-00169350-00169595 systems that kind of cross over like the EdFYVS3s9R4-00692-00169596-00169816 education system the healthcare says all EdFYVS3s9R4-00693-00169817-00169985 of those things yeah EdFYVS3s9R4-00694-00169986-00170237 um and we and it's just like we we just EdFYVS3s9R4-00695-00170238-00170428 want to let them live and play and learn EdFYVS3s9R4-00696-00170429-00170704 about their world that exists instead of EdFYVS3s9R4-00697-00170705-00170969 coming in and saying here are the things EdFYVS3s9R4-00698-00170970-00171166 you have to meet in this world EdFYVS3s9R4-00699-00171167-00171335 by the way this world doesn't work for EdFYVS3s9R4-00700-00171336-00171563 most people like most people can't EdFYVS3s9R4-00701-00171564-00171766 afford to live in this world with a EdFYVS3s9R4-00702-00171767-00171923 family like most people are really EdFYVS3s9R4-00703-00171924-00172276 struggling and but we're still saying EdFYVS3s9R4-00704-00172277-00172426 that these are the standards we need to EdFYVS3s9R4-00705-00172427-00172625 meet to live in this world and the EdFYVS3s9R4-00706-00172626-00172840 children I think they know better and EdFYVS3s9R4-00707-00172841-00173069 they're really teaching us a lot about EdFYVS3s9R4-00708-00173070-00173387 that but it is a a lot of we're just up EdFYVS3s9R4-00709-00173388-00173554 against a lot of forces when we're EdFYVS3s9R4-00710-00173555-00173693 trying to um EdFYVS3s9R4-00711-00173694-00173897 constantly do this kind of spring EdFYVS3s9R4-00712-00173898-00174173 cleaning uh these ideas in our in our EdFYVS3s9R4-00713-00174174-00174364 mind and I would say one of those things EdFYVS3s9R4-00714-00174365-00174601 in particular is this EdFYVS3s9R4-00715-00174602-00174959 idea you know bad behavior or these you EdFYVS3s9R4-00716-00174960-00175187 know behavior problems that you hear and EdFYVS3s9R4-00717-00175188-00175440 we you know we talk about this a lot um EdFYVS3s9R4-00718-00175441-00175763 but from a perspective that respects EdFYVS3s9R4-00719-00175764-00175949 that the child is trying to communicate EdFYVS3s9R4-00720-00175950-00176176 something through that EdFYVS3s9R4-00721-00176177-00176399 um they are humans and they are on this EdFYVS3s9R4-00722-00176400-00176578 world but they've been on this world for EdFYVS3s9R4-00723-00176579-00176776 a short amount of time so there are EdFYVS3s9R4-00724-00176777-00176981 still things that we can offer to EdFYVS3s9R4-00725-00176982-00177214 support them as they do this EdFYVS3s9R4-00726-00177215-00177521 um so they shouldn't be experts in EdFYVS3s9R4-00727-00177522-00177857 regulating their emotions or solving a EdFYVS3s9R4-00728-00177858-00178025 problem on their own EdFYVS3s9R4-00729-00178026-00178211 um and that's one of the things I've EdFYVS3s9R4-00730-00178212-00178343 found EdFYVS3s9R4-00731-00178344-00178564 has completely I've completely flipped EdFYVS3s9R4-00732-00178565-00178816 my perspective upside down on on EdFYVS3s9R4-00733-00178817-00179014 behaviors EdFYVS3s9R4-00734-00179015-00179249 um and really looking them at looking at EdFYVS3s9R4-00735-00179250-00179501 them as a communication tool and I would EdFYVS3s9R4-00736-00179502-00179909 say the same is for adults there are EdFYVS3s9R4-00737-00179910-00180197 some adult behaviors again EdFYVS3s9R4-00738-00180198-00180413 um that are really indicative of EdFYVS3s9R4-00739-00180414-00180713 something else and for us it feels EdFYVS3s9R4-00740-00180714-00180916 really important to think about what's EdFYVS3s9R4-00741-00180917-00181295 happening sort of at the root to to make EdFYVS3s9R4-00742-00181296-00181564 this Behavior happen and then solve that EdFYVS3s9R4-00743-00181565-00181811 as opposed to throw a Band-Aid on on the EdFYVS3s9R4-00744-00181812-00182104 behavior or exclude a child because EdFYVS3s9R4-00745-00182105-00182297 they're being physical EdFYVS3s9R4-00746-00182298-00182486 um or something like that EdFYVS3s9R4-00747-00182487-00182614 [Music] EdFYVS3s9R4-00748-00182615-00182975 yeah it's kind of like that um with EdFYVS3s9R4-00749-00182976-00183287 I mean just as as we we've been talking EdFYVS3s9R4-00750-00183288-00183502 about just with people struggling um EdFYVS3s9R4-00751-00183503-00183731 even just struggling to afford to live EdFYVS3s9R4-00752-00183732-00184025 or to buy food or anything like that so EdFYVS3s9R4-00753-00184026-00184216 just like if the children if a child EdFYVS3s9R4-00754-00184217-00184457 comes in and it and is is struggling or EdFYVS3s9R4-00755-00184458-00184666 maybe has a meltdown of some forms EdFYVS3s9R4-00756-00184667-00184943 something's going on and and we see them EdFYVS3s9R4-00757-00184944-00185225 as as struggling or needing support we EdFYVS3s9R4-00758-00185226-00185507 don't see them as bad or purposefully EdFYVS3s9R4-00759-00185508-00185711 doing anything and I think with adults EdFYVS3s9R4-00760-00185712-00185947 too we have to see when somebody is EdFYVS3s9R4-00761-00185948-00186161 behaving a certain way EdFYVS3s9R4-00762-00186162-00186323 um or you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00763-00186324-00186616 generally just like we can identify oh EdFYVS3s9R4-00764-00186617-00186778 maybe they're struggling and they need EdFYVS3s9R4-00765-00186779-00186947 something and so that's how we approach EdFYVS3s9R4-00766-00186948-00187133 it again just kind of like out of love EdFYVS3s9R4-00767-00187134-00187326 and connection to this fellow Human EdFYVS3s9R4-00768-00187327-00187751 Instead of out of um seeing them as EdFYVS3s9R4-00769-00187752-00188051 sort of purposefully making a mistake or EdFYVS3s9R4-00770-00188052-00188297 doing something wrong I think that's the EdFYVS3s9R4-00771-00188298-00188507 other Paradigm that I've seen shift too EdFYVS3s9R4-00772-00188508-00188788 is the sort of right wrong dichotomy EdFYVS3s9R4-00773-00188789-00188999 um which isn't serving anyone because EdFYVS3s9R4-00774-00189000-00189269 someone's bound to be left out and EdFYVS3s9R4-00775-00189270-00189523 that's a very um EdFYVS3s9R4-00776-00189524-00189913 subjective so you know just thinking EdFYVS3s9R4-00777-00189914-00190121 thinking more along those lines of EdFYVS3s9R4-00778-00190122-00190331 supporting supporting that EdFYVS3s9R4-00779-00190332-00190613 yeah yeah no that's beautiful this has EdFYVS3s9R4-00780-00190614-00190816 been a really great conversation thank EdFYVS3s9R4-00781-00190817-00190997 you so much for helping us sort of zoom EdFYVS3s9R4-00782-00190998-00191254 out and look at you know early childhood EdFYVS3s9R4-00783-00191255-00191561 through uh uh with a paradigm shift you EdFYVS3s9R4-00784-00191562-00191752 know on behaviors I think it's really EdFYVS3s9R4-00785-00191753-00191933 important work that you're doing so EdFYVS3s9R4-00786-00191934-00192137 thank you very much for your time thank EdFYVS3s9R4-00787-00192138-00192388 you so much Sarah I will see you there EdFYVS3s9R4-00788-00192389-00193276 and okay tell everyone we said hi EdFYVS3s9R4-00789-00193277-00193528 it's lovely EdFYVS3s9R4-00790-00193529-00193804 um so uh Sarah by the way you are EdFYVS3s9R4-00791-00193805-00193954 totally in charge of bring Club EdFYVS3s9R4-00792-00193955-00194171 interviews from now on EdFYVS3s9R4-00793-00194172-00194290 um I can't believe you didn't have to EdFYVS3s9R4-00794-00194291-00194471 edit that or anything it was just like I EdFYVS3s9R4-00795-00194472-00194704 did it the hardest part was looking at EdFYVS3s9R4-00796-00194705-00194938 the clock because I could talk to Vicki EdFYVS3s9R4-00797-00194939-00195166 and Cecilia all day and they have such EdFYVS3s9R4-00798-00195167-00195431 great points I it was that was the EdFYVS3s9R4-00799-00195432-00195604 hardest part EdFYVS3s9R4-00800-00195605-00195838 yes all right hold on let's take the EdFYVS3s9R4-00801-00195839-00195988 spotlight off so we can just open up EdFYVS3s9R4-00802-00195989-00196235 conversation and I'm I'm curious because EdFYVS3s9R4-00803-00196236-00196457 I know that there are actually a few a EdFYVS3s9R4-00804-00196458-00196685 few Educators in the audience too anyway EdFYVS3s9R4-00805-00196686-00196835 we just open up this conversation what's EdFYVS3s9R4-00806-00196836-00197009 come up for folks what do you what do EdFYVS3s9R4-00807-00197010-00197554 you think about these ideas EdFYVS3s9R4-00808-00197555-00197711 and I mean truly open to everyone EdFYVS3s9R4-00809-00197712-00197945 whether or not you're an educator or or EdFYVS3s9R4-00810-00197946-00198197 or or a parent or have anything to do EdFYVS3s9R4-00811-00198198-00198485 with children accessing education I just EdFYVS3s9R4-00812-00198486-00198809 want to hear from anybody EdFYVS3s9R4-00813-00198810-00199061 um I have I just had an interesting EdFYVS3s9R4-00814-00199062-00199390 conversation recently with my daughter EdFYVS3s9R4-00815-00199391-00199463 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00816-00199464-00199793 and she brought up the concept of power EdFYVS3s9R4-00817-00199794-00200081 and it comes up a lot in EdFYVS3s9R4-00818-00200082-00200428 conversations with Educators and EdFYVS3s9R4-00819-00200429-00200788 um she had a lot to say about EdFYVS3s9R4-00820-00200789-00200873 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00821-00200874-00201076 distribution of power EdFYVS3s9R4-00822-00201077-00201485 and she was saying how she feels EdFYVS3s9R4-00823-00201486-00201731 sometimes that there's EdFYVS3s9R4-00824-00201732-00201940 that that every she said everybody EdFYVS3s9R4-00825-00201941-00202163 should have power everybody should have EdFYVS3s9R4-00826-00202164-00202378 their own power and everybody should EdFYVS3s9R4-00827-00202379-00202661 have power together EdFYVS3s9R4-00828-00202662-00203045 and she said that sometimes she sees EdFYVS3s9R4-00829-00203046-00203219 like how EdFYVS3s9R4-00830-00203220-00203483 parents or teachers or whatever EdFYVS3s9R4-00831-00203484-00203602 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00832-00203603-00203909 seem to assume that they have more power EdFYVS3s9R4-00833-00203910-00204071 than EdFYVS3s9R4-00834-00204072-00204526 the kids do and she said you know power EdFYVS3s9R4-00835-00204527-00204623 is EdFYVS3s9R4-00836-00204624-00204773 like EdFYVS3s9R4-00837-00204774-00205007 but she wrote while they was skill it's EdFYVS3s9R4-00838-00205008-00205229 like um you know somebody could be EdFYVS3s9R4-00839-00205230-00205516 really powerful in one specific topic if EdFYVS3s9R4-00840-00205517-00205679 you give them the right topic but if you EdFYVS3s9R4-00841-00205680-00205871 give them the wrong topic the wrong fit EdFYVS3s9R4-00842-00205871-00206123 they're not going to be really great at EdFYVS3s9R4-00843-00206123-00206327 that particular thing so it's as she was EdFYVS3s9R4-00844-00206328-00206627 like saying like you know just saying EdFYVS3s9R4-00845-00206628-00206957 that like it it seems like EdFYVS3s9R4-00846-00206958-00207310 the teachers or whatever some person EdFYVS3s9R4-00847-00207311-00207442 that sees themselves as Authority EdFYVS3s9R4-00848-00207444-00207688 fingers sort of handing down things to EdFYVS3s9R4-00849-00207689-00207923 them that are ill-fit and she feels like EdFYVS3s9R4-00850-00207923-00208175 that the students should be able to EdFYVS3s9R4-00851-00208176-00208438 assert their own power and and and like EdFYVS3s9R4-00852-00208439-00208751 own it so she was this is a comment that EdFYVS3s9R4-00853-00208752-00208973 she she shared with me actually recorded EdFYVS3s9R4-00854-00208973-00209086 the whole conversation because it was EdFYVS3s9R4-00855-00209087-00209284 interesting but anyway she had a lot to EdFYVS3s9R4-00856-00209285-00209536 say about power distribution EdFYVS3s9R4-00857-00209537-00209825 he did she's amazing EdFYVS3s9R4-00858-00209826-00210107 um so it it's almost like she's talking EdFYVS3s9R4-00859-00210108-00210508 about autonomy right so power over self EdFYVS3s9R4-00860-00210509-00210832 right so if if someone is power over you EdFYVS3s9R4-00861-00210833-00211121 that interferes with your ability to EdFYVS3s9R4-00862-00211121-00211348 have power over yourself EdFYVS3s9R4-00863-00211350-00211696 um and that is what is happening EdFYVS3s9R4-00864-00211698-00212044 all over the place EdFYVS3s9R4-00865-00212046-00212315 um so and I agree Sarah Sarah says in EdFYVS3s9R4-00866-00212316-00212525 the chat such a wise sweet little love EdFYVS3s9R4-00867-00212526-00212717 you have yes EdFYVS3s9R4-00868-00212717-00212915 I agree EdFYVS3s9R4-00869-00212916-00213191 um and I I I I think and Melissa's EdFYVS3s9R4-00870-00213192-00213341 adding that is similar to Anna's idea of EdFYVS3s9R4-00871-00213342-00213617 children's being vessels to fill rather EdFYVS3s9R4-00872-00213617-00213815 than individual beings who have ideas to EdFYVS3s9R4-00873-00213816-00213958 share EdFYVS3s9R4-00874-00213959-00214156 David says yes to listening to the EdFYVS3s9R4-00875-00214157-00214331 wisdom of children my granddaughter at EdFYVS3s9R4-00876-00214332-00214529 age four or so went through a time when EdFYVS3s9R4-00877-00214530-00214817 she'd answer most questions I don't know EdFYVS3s9R4-00878-00214817-00215087 with a great smile wonderful I fear EdFYVS3s9R4-00879-00215088-00215351 she'll all too often begin to know and EdFYVS3s9R4-00880-00215352-00215579 then eventually have to find a way back EdFYVS3s9R4-00881-00215580-00215789 to not knowing EdFYVS3s9R4-00882-00215790-00216137 so so beautifully said EdFYVS3s9R4-00883-00216138-00216382 um it's kind of like um a couple months EdFYVS3s9R4-00884-00216383-00216473 ago EdFYVS3s9R4-00885-00216473-00216706 um one of our volunteers she's a medical EdFYVS3s9R4-00886-00216707-00216994 student Elizabeth Barker and I we did an EdFYVS3s9R4-00887-00216996-00217079 interview EdFYVS3s9R4-00888-00217080-00217373 um we did a podcast interview about EdFYVS3s9R4-00889-00217373-00217606 um neural inclusive medical education EdFYVS3s9R4-00890-00217607-00217679 um we were actually talking about EdFYVS3s9R4-00891-00217680-00217841 ableism and medical education but we EdFYVS3s9R4-00892-00217842-00218153 oblique angled it and um and and we EdFYVS3s9R4-00893-00218154-00218308 talked about EdFYVS3s9R4-00894-00218309-00218644 um how fake it till you make it EdFYVS3s9R4-00895-00218646-00218831 um which is like really a big part of EdFYVS3s9R4-00896-00218832-00218975 Medical Training I mean it's a big part EdFYVS3s9R4-00897-00218976-00219137 of a lot of training in a lot of EdFYVS3s9R4-00898-00219138-00219281 different fields it's a lot of it's like EdFYVS3s9R4-00899-00219282-00219532 a big message of society it's like so EdFYVS3s9R4-00900-00219533-00219905 it's so unhelpful it's so bad for Brains EdFYVS3s9R4-00901-00219906-00220253 it's so bad for society anyway fake it EdFYVS3s9R4-00902-00220254-00220427 till you make it EdFYVS3s9R4-00903-00220428-00220684 um interferes with someone being able to EdFYVS3s9R4-00904-00220685-00221015 say I don't know it is so profoundly EdFYVS3s9R4-00905-00221016-00221398 important to say when you don't know EdFYVS3s9R4-00906-00221400-00221603 um uh Luna and I we've been watching a EdFYVS3s9R4-00907-00221604-00221842 lot of Super Monsters lately that's like EdFYVS3s9R4-00908-00221844-00222113 the new mini monotropic Focus EdFYVS3s9R4-00909-00222114-00222346 um and there's this episode where EdFYVS3s9R4-00910-00222348-00222515 there's a character who's like EdFYVS3s9R4-00911-00222516-00222755 pretending to know stuff so Luna says EdFYVS3s9R4-00912-00222756-00222923 why is she EdFYVS3s9R4-00913-00222923-00223198 to know she clearly doesn't know why did EdFYVS3s9R4-00914-00223200-00223367 she decisions oh EdFYVS3s9R4-00915-00223367-00223708 I know EdFYVS3s9R4-00916-00223709-00223931 Melissa says I don't know is where all EdFYVS3s9R4-00917-00223932-00224291 the magic happens absolutely EdFYVS3s9R4-00918-00224292-00224567 so you know it's it's it's interesting EdFYVS3s9R4-00919-00224567-00224734 because EdFYVS3s9R4-00920-00224735-00225041 so much of this wisdom EdFYVS3s9R4-00921-00225042-00225377 um is only able to be accessed when you EdFYVS3s9R4-00922-00225378-00225653 give time and space and autonomy and all EdFYVS3s9R4-00923-00225654-00225887 these raw ingredients um for the sweet EdFYVS3s9R4-00924-00225888-00226079 little loves being able to express their EdFYVS3s9R4-00925-00226080-00226379 true selves but they also need access to EdFYVS3s9R4-00926-00226380-00226763 upstairs brain meaning their cortex we EdFYVS3s9R4-00927-00226764-00227044 all need access to our cortex so like in EdFYVS3s9R4-00928-00227046-00227267 my house on the language that that I EdFYVS3s9R4-00929-00227267-00227506 will use sometimes is like you don't EdFYVS3s9R4-00930-00227507-00227734 have access to my cortex right now I EdFYVS3s9R4-00931-00227735-00227975 tell my husband that like on the regular EdFYVS3s9R4-00932-00227976-00228239 um and uh so so it's like cortex to EdFYVS3s9R4-00933-00228240-00228442 Cortex has to be communicating and EdFYVS3s9R4-00934-00228444-00228617 that's like not happening a lot of the EdFYVS3s9R4-00935-00228617-00228887 time as long as somebody is dysregulated EdFYVS3s9R4-00936-00228888-00229313 in a dyad a conversation is not going to EdFYVS3s9R4-00937-00229314-00229589 be effective so I'm wondering if anyone EdFYVS3s9R4-00938-00229590-00229787 has thoughts about EdFYVS3s9R4-00939-00229788-00229894 um EdFYVS3s9R4-00940-00229896-00230284 uh why is it that EdFYVS3s9R4-00941-00230285-00230644 um we are holding downstairs brain to EdFYVS3s9R4-00942-00230646-00231005 upstairs brain standards so often EdFYVS3s9R4-00943-00231006-00231208 it's not just in school it's at home EdFYVS3s9R4-00944-00231209-00231437 it's in all Society but like it is EdFYVS3s9R4-00945-00231438-00232258 definitely happening in school EdFYVS3s9R4-00946-00232259-00232451 I think I need you to say more can you EdFYVS3s9R4-00947-00232452-00232782 say more about that in school setting EdFYVS3s9R4-00948-00232783-00233303 yeah so like if I'm a kid and I am you EdFYVS3s9R4-00949-00233304-00233675 know talking incessantly or like or I EdFYVS3s9R4-00950-00233676-00233860 you know I have some kind of behavior EdFYVS3s9R4-00951-00233861-00234029 some kind of behavior and it's like well EdFYVS3s9R4-00952-00234030-00234227 you should know better EdFYVS3s9R4-00953-00234228-00234365 um you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00954-00234366-00234587 as though the kid has like complete EdFYVS3s9R4-00955-00234588-00234773 control over the thing because it's not EdFYVS3s9R4-00956-00234773-00234934 like I mean they didn't make a choice to EdFYVS3s9R4-00957-00234935-00235210 do the thing choices come from upstairs EdFYVS3s9R4-00958-00235211-00235487 brain a regulated cortex EdFYVS3s9R4-00959-00235488-00235829 um it is mostly a a lot of a lot of EdFYVS3s9R4-00960-00235830-00236215 behavior is just communication of EdFYVS3s9R4-00961-00236216-00236663 someone's underlying physiologic State EdFYVS3s9R4-00962-00236664-00236860 um which is like I don't have my access EdFYVS3s9R4-00963-00236861-00237281 needs met so I am under threat and like EdFYVS3s9R4-00964-00237282-00237515 that's what comes out EdFYVS3s9R4-00965-00237516-00237694 um it's the way of signaling to the EdFYVS3s9R4-00966-00237696-00237869 people around you EdFYVS3s9R4-00967-00237869-00238067 that you don't know if your access needs EdFYVS3s9R4-00968-00238067-00238469 met and yet the shame that gets EdFYVS3s9R4-00969-00238469-00238691 inflicted EdFYVS3s9R4-00970-00238692-00238948 um from about things that as though they EdFYVS3s9R4-00971-00238950-00239146 were done with like you know you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00972-00239148-00239327 you know that you know I'm weighing the EdFYVS3s9R4-00973-00239328-00239489 pros and the cons and like this is the EdFYVS3s9R4-00974-00239490-00239651 decision I'm gonna make like that's not EdFYVS3s9R4-00975-00239652-00239801 how it happened EdFYVS3s9R4-00976-00239802-00239998 Anna EdFYVS3s9R4-00977-00240000-00240298 yeah I I think this smell connects a lot EdFYVS3s9R4-00978-00240300-00240491 to what Cecilia and Vicki were talking EdFYVS3s9R4-00979-00240492-00240784 about right like they they kind of like EdFYVS3s9R4-00980-00240785-00241037 were able to articulate a bit about how EdFYVS3s9R4-00981-00241038-00241277 this can you know reframing it in an EdFYVS3s9R4-00982-00241278-00241456 early childhood setting EdFYVS3s9R4-00983-00241457-00241582 um because then you'd think at least EdFYVS3s9R4-00984-00241583-00241829 then it's pretty obvious that like I EdFYVS3s9R4-00985-00241830-00242032 mean child's only been on the planet for EdFYVS3s9R4-00986-00242033-00242315 three years like they you know EdFYVS3s9R4-00987-00242316-00242489 um and they so they kind of use the EdFYVS3s9R4-00988-00242490-00242621 language like EdFYVS3s9R4-00989-00242621-00242873 they shouldn't they shouldn't have to we EdFYVS3s9R4-00990-00242873-00243041 shouldn't have to assume that they have EdFYVS3s9R4-00991-00243042-00243346 the skills to you know to be regulated EdFYVS3s9R4-00992-00243348-00243629 or to regulate themselves that EdFYVS3s9R4-00993-00243630-00243958 um you know that as adults EdFYVS3s9R4-00994-00243959-00244265 um you know we can have this like EdFYVS3s9R4-00995-00244266-00244498 opportunity to actually model for EdFYVS3s9R4-00996-00244500-00244708 children what it's like to be regulated EdFYVS3s9R4-00997-00244709-00244991 and what why I think this thing that EdFYVS3s9R4-00998-00244992-00245146 you're saying is happening in schools EdFYVS3s9R4-00999-00245148-00245344 right where especially in schools EdFYVS3s9R4-01000-00245346-00245608 especially as kids get to be like second EdFYVS3s9R4-01001-00245609-00245777 grade third grade fourth grade fifth EdFYVS3s9R4-01002-00245778-00245848 grade EdFYVS3s9R4-01003-00245850-00245981 um and then Middle School when their EdFYVS3s9R4-01004-00245982-00246196 brains are like completely exploding and EdFYVS3s9R4-01005-00246198-00246358 then all of a sudden everyone's like you EdFYVS3s9R4-01006-00246359-00246527 should you should know better than this EdFYVS3s9R4-01007-00246528-00246719 you're practically an adult you know and EdFYVS3s9R4-01008-00246719-00246913 there's like all this pressure EdFYVS3s9R4-01009-00246914-00247258 really they're just like giant toddlers EdFYVS3s9R4-01010-00247259-00247577 um but I think that some of the pressure EdFYVS3s9R4-01011-00247578-00247931 comes and um from the fact that actually EdFYVS3s9R4-01012-00247932-00248110 the teachers are under so much stress EdFYVS3s9R4-01013-00248111-00248351 that it can be really really hard even EdFYVS3s9R4-01014-00248352-00248519 for the teachers to get through a day EdFYVS3s9R4-01015-00248519-00248951 feeling calm cool collected regulated EdFYVS3s9R4-01016-00248952-00249184 like in that rest and digest it just EdFYVS3s9R4-01017-00249185-00249413 doesn't happen that often for educators EdFYVS3s9R4-01018-00249414-00249671 at least Educators that I know EdFYVS3s9R4-01019-00249671-00249832 um especially early Educators because EdFYVS3s9R4-01020-00249833-00250084 they're so poorly paid they're you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01021-00250085-00250379 they're often living with toxic stress EdFYVS3s9R4-01022-00250380-00250625 in their daily personal lives and then EdFYVS3s9R4-01023-00250626-00250882 that comes into the classroom EdFYVS3s9R4-01024-00250883-00251171 um and so it can be really really EdFYVS3s9R4-01025-00251171-00251489 difficult for us you know and actually EdFYVS3s9R4-01026-00251490-00251681 heard Gabor mate talking about this too EdFYVS3s9R4-01027-00251682-00251860 with the medical right being in medical EdFYVS3s9R4-01028-00251861-00252071 school is so stressful that you then EdFYVS3s9R4-01029-00252071-00252329 become a stressed out EdFYVS3s9R4-01030-00252330-00252623 um doctor and I feel like teachers are EdFYVS3s9R4-01031-00252623-00252784 kind of in that same position where EdFYVS3s9R4-01032-00252785-00253121 they're under so much constant stress EdFYVS3s9R4-01033-00253121-00253306 um and pressure that they get into a EdFYVS3s9R4-01034-00253307-00253517 situation in which like the expectations EdFYVS3s9R4-01035-00253517-00253792 are that everybody just like get their EdFYVS3s9R4-01036-00253794-00253984 stuff together EdFYVS3s9R4-01037-00253985-00254225 um and so it's yeah they're just shaming EdFYVS3s9R4-01038-00254226-00254519 and all over each other EdFYVS3s9R4-01039-00254519-00254771 um and EdFYVS3s9R4-01040-00254771-00255017 I think that you know again coming back EdFYVS3s9R4-01041-00255017-00255275 to what Cecilia and Vicki were talking EdFYVS3s9R4-01042-00255276-00255448 about I mean it's so incredible to hear EdFYVS3s9R4-01043-00255450-00255623 a director of a program talk about EdFYVS3s9R4-01044-00255623-00255898 self-compassion EdFYVS3s9R4-01045-00255900-00256079 um talk about you know what it takes to EdFYVS3s9R4-01046-00256080-00256463 be supportive to their um their staff to EdFYVS3s9R4-01047-00256464-00256619 create a supportive environment no EdFYVS3s9R4-01048-00256619-00256858 matter what people's needs are really EdFYVS3s9R4-01049-00256859-00257092 understanding that when we're when we EdFYVS3s9R4-01050-00257094-00257273 are dysregulated right there's an access EdFYVS3s9R4-01051-00257273-00257453 need that's not being met there's a need EdFYVS3s9R4-01052-00257454-00257639 that's not being met or that they're EdFYVS3s9R4-01053-00257640-00257813 trying to communicate EdFYVS3s9R4-01054-00257814-00257944 um and when we can give that compassion EdFYVS3s9R4-01055-00257946-00258184 also to the adults EdFYVS3s9R4-01056-00258185-00258442 um that can be really important and um EdFYVS3s9R4-01057-00258444-00258713 and just one last thought that's been on EdFYVS3s9R4-01058-00258714-00259048 my mind that I think needs to be like EdFYVS3s9R4-01059-00259050-00259360 some spring cleaning attention on EdFYVS3s9R4-01060-00259361-00259696 um is that we also have a lot of our EdFYVS3s9R4-01061-00259698-00260008 reactions a lot of dysregulation EdFYVS3s9R4-01062-00260009-00260194 um you know in these like knee-jerk EdFYVS3s9R4-01063-00260196-00260392 reactions or the phrases that just roll EdFYVS3s9R4-01064-00260394-00260705 off our tongue that come from our past EdFYVS3s9R4-01065-00260706-00260903 um they can be triggered they can be EdFYVS3s9R4-01066-00260904-00261148 triggered by someone who like reminds us EdFYVS3s9R4-01067-00261150-00261419 of someone from our past as well and I EdFYVS3s9R4-01068-00261419-00261623 think that that happens for teachers a EdFYVS3s9R4-01069-00261623-00261701 lot EdFYVS3s9R4-01070-00261702-00261958 um that a child might remind them of the EdFYVS3s9R4-01071-00261959-00262234 bully that they you know were bullied by EdFYVS3s9R4-01072-00262235-00262487 in elementary school and so they're EdFYVS3s9R4-01073-00262488-00262715 already making the Assumption about this EdFYVS3s9R4-01074-00262716-00262925 child based on past experience with EdFYVS3s9R4-01075-00262926-00263189 someone who maybe looks similar or said EdFYVS3s9R4-01076-00263190-00263429 something similar and then and then it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01077-00263430-00263663 like all of a sudden all of those like EdFYVS3s9R4-01078-00263664-00263951 automatic phrases start coming out who EdFYVS3s9R4-01079-00263952-00264113 do you think you are like get your EdFYVS3s9R4-01080-00264114-00264305 together you know all these things that EdFYVS3s9R4-01081-00264306-00264539 we've all heard so many times and even EdFYVS3s9R4-01082-00264540-00264808 the with the best intentions sometimes EdFYVS3s9R4-01083-00264809-00265055 um when you're in that triggered place EdFYVS3s9R4-01084-00265056-00265217 um you know through transference or EdFYVS3s9R4-01085-00265218-00265403 something like that where you just have EdFYVS3s9R4-01086-00265404-00265630 this haunting uh maybe not even EdFYVS3s9R4-01087-00265631-00265823 conscious memory of something that was EdFYVS3s9R4-01088-00265824-00266045 really painful for you it can be really EdFYVS3s9R4-01089-00266046-00266219 difficult to EdFYVS3s9R4-01090-00266220-00266441 um to be able to have compassion in EdFYVS3s9R4-01091-00266442-00266584 those moments and those are some of the EdFYVS3s9R4-01092-00266585-00266747 things that I think EdFYVS3s9R4-01093-00266748-00266975 the majority of Educators aren't taught EdFYVS3s9R4-01094-00266976-00267179 but I'd be curious to hear from some of EdFYVS3s9R4-01095-00267180-00267389 the current Educators if there are any EdFYVS3s9R4-01096-00267390-00267532 in this space EdFYVS3s9R4-01097-00267533-00267875 um how the handles that kind of stuff EdFYVS3s9R4-01098-00267876-00268097 yeah trauma lives in the body melro in EdFYVS3s9R4-01099-00268098-00268475 the chat yeah EdFYVS3s9R4-01100-00268476-00268679 um thank you Anna I I had a couple EdFYVS3s9R4-01101-00268680-00268871 things that I connected with uh with EdFYVS3s9R4-01102-00268872-00269291 what you said and one of them is the EdFYVS3s9R4-01103-00269292-00269434 stress that teachers are under just EdFYVS3s9R4-01104-00269435-00269639 taking that perspective of thinking EdFYVS3s9R4-01105-00269640-00269908 about all of the initiatives and all of EdFYVS3s9R4-01106-00269909-00270149 the academics and all the things that EdFYVS3s9R4-01107-00270150-00270293 they're required to do the curriculum EdFYVS3s9R4-01108-00270294-00270460 they're supposed to teach and there's EdFYVS3s9R4-01109-00270461-00270719 not a lot of time in the day so teachers EdFYVS3s9R4-01110-00270720-00270880 feel like they need to press through EdFYVS3s9R4-01111-00270881-00271097 these curriculum EdFYVS3s9R4-01112-00271098-00271493 um and I don't I don't know if they one EdFYVS3s9R4-01113-00271494-00271763 they haven't been taught some haven't EdFYVS3s9R4-01114-00271764-00271877 been taught EdFYVS3s9R4-01115-00271878-00272237 that it's okay to pause in a moment EdFYVS3s9R4-01116-00272238-00272405 where you could do some reflection on EdFYVS3s9R4-01117-00272406-00272675 some social emotional learning you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01118-00272676-00272803 education EdFYVS3s9R4-01119-00272804-00273227 modeling it with the whole class the the EdFYVS3s9R4-01120-00273228-00273515 it seems to be like it's like okay let's EdFYVS3s9R4-01121-00273516-00273677 have a half an hour for guidance class EdFYVS3s9R4-01122-00273678-00273863 or a half an hour for social emotional EdFYVS3s9R4-01123-00273864-00274006 learning and move on with our day and do EdFYVS3s9R4-01124-00274007-00274210 our math and do our reading and and and EdFYVS3s9R4-01125-00274211-00274439 the social emotional learning and the EdFYVS3s9R4-01126-00274440-00274630 understanding of our emotions and the EdFYVS3s9R4-01127-00274631-00274810 responses to our emotions EdFYVS3s9R4-01128-00274811-00275008 is something that really needs to be EdFYVS3s9R4-01129-00275009-00275303 integrated throughout the entire day and EdFYVS3s9R4-01130-00275304-00275530 and I really feel like most teachers EdFYVS3s9R4-01131-00275531-00275717 haven't had the training on how to do EdFYVS3s9R4-01132-00275718-00275843 that EdFYVS3s9R4-01133-00275844-00276143 um and so it's just it's a really hard EdFYVS3s9R4-01134-00276144-00276413 place to be when they are thinking EdFYVS3s9R4-01135-00276414-00276593 here's the expectation from me and I EdFYVS3s9R4-01136-00276594-00276821 need to do this good job and teachers EdFYVS3s9R4-01137-00276822-00277013 are amazing in trying to manage their EdFYVS3s9R4-01138-00277014-00277234 time and do all those things but how can EdFYVS3s9R4-01139-00277235-00277367 we EdFYVS3s9R4-01140-00277368-00277571 um teach them how to to make those EdFYVS3s9R4-01141-00277572-00277865 things more integrated and just the idea EdFYVS3s9R4-01142-00277866-00278160 about kids do better when they can EdFYVS3s9R4-01143-00278161-00278405 teachers also do better when they can EdFYVS3s9R4-01144-00278406-00278603 what you know as my my role as a EdFYVS3s9R4-01145-00278604-00278921 learning social learning coach when I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-01146-00278922-00279113 working with teachers it's like you see EdFYVS3s9R4-01147-00279114-00279305 the light bulbs go off and there and I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-01148-00279306-00279551 explaining this is why we are saying it EdFYVS3s9R4-01149-00279552-00279713 this is why we're doing it this way this EdFYVS3s9R4-01150-00279714-00279899 is why we're modeling it this way and EdFYVS3s9R4-01151-00279900-00280115 they're like oh oh this makes so much EdFYVS3s9R4-01152-00280116-00280289 sense like I had a teacher in my office EdFYVS3s9R4-01153-00280290-00280493 today Crossing arms he needs a EdFYVS3s9R4-01154-00280494-00280763 consequence and I was explaining all EdFYVS3s9R4-01155-00280764-00280937 this stuff like if you just throw a EdFYVS3s9R4-01156-00280938-00281105 consequence after the behavior has EdFYVS3s9R4-01157-00281106-00281327 happened because he wasn't able to make EdFYVS3s9R4-01158-00281328-00281513 the conscious choice if I make this EdFYVS3s9R4-01159-00281514-00281710 choice and this choice that may not be EdFYVS3s9R4-01160-00281711-00281903 the best choice I know what my EdFYVS3s9R4-01161-00281904-00282125 consequence is you cannot Implement that EdFYVS3s9R4-01162-00282126-00282395 after the fact it's like throwing out EdFYVS3s9R4-01163-00282396-00282515 these EdFYVS3s9R4-01164-00282516-00282725 tickets you know that you didn't know EdFYVS3s9R4-01165-00282726-00283060 you were gonna get uh and she kind of I EdFYVS3s9R4-01166-00283061-00283156 don't know if that makes sense for EdFYVS3s9R4-01167-00283157-00283282 people but EdFYVS3s9R4-01168-00283283-00283541 um she kind of stood back and was like EdFYVS3s9R4-01169-00283542-00283793 okay I see and I was like now we can say EdFYVS3s9R4-01170-00283794-00283991 if you call someone names this is the EdFYVS3s9R4-01171-00283992-00284171 you know this is what might happen we'll EdFYVS3s9R4-01172-00284172-00284327 have to do some repair work and this is EdFYVS3s9R4-01173-00284328-00284489 what it's going to look like very EdFYVS3s9R4-01174-00284490-00284741 clearly saying to the kid you know so EdFYVS3s9R4-01175-00284742-00284921 that when they decide to make a choice EdFYVS3s9R4-01176-00284922-00285034 to call someone a name or something EdFYVS3s9R4-01177-00285035-00285203 they're gonna know okay I made I called EdFYVS3s9R4-01178-00285204-00285353 someone a name here's what's going to EdFYVS3s9R4-01179-00285354-00285491 happen here's the repair work this is EdFYVS3s9R4-01180-00285492-00285713 what it's going to look like EdFYVS3s9R4-01181-00285714-00285977 um so teachers do better when they can EdFYVS3s9R4-01182-00285978-00286084 but EdFYVS3s9R4-01183-00286085-00286505 the problem is time so how when are they EdFYVS3s9R4-01184-00286506-00286684 learning these things and when are they EdFYVS3s9R4-01185-00286685-00286834 practicing these things and when are EdFYVS3s9R4-01186-00286835-00287117 they getting feedback on these things to EdFYVS3s9R4-01187-00287118-00287308 help them move forward in that EdFYVS3s9R4-01188-00287309-00287573 um and to help them feel better not so EdFYVS3s9R4-01189-00287574-00287789 stressed out in school EdFYVS3s9R4-01190-00287790-00288023 um and EdFYVS3s9R4-01191-00288024-00288208 and one other thing I just wanted to say EdFYVS3s9R4-01192-00288209-00288497 before I passed to someone else's EdFYVS3s9R4-01193-00288498-00288737 one of the things that I've come across EdFYVS3s9R4-01194-00288738-00289079 is traditional ways of responding to EdFYVS3s9R4-01195-00289080-00289456 unexpected behaviors are punishments and EdFYVS3s9R4-01196-00289457-00289708 consequences and there's still quite a EdFYVS3s9R4-01197-00289709-00289853 few people who are like well what's the EdFYVS3s9R4-01198-00289854-00290063 consequence what's the restitution what EdFYVS3s9R4-01199-00290064-00290177 are they going to get for doing this EdFYVS3s9R4-01200-00290178-00290410 instead of stepping over the behavior EdFYVS3s9R4-01201-00290411-00290639 and really looking for what's causing EdFYVS3s9R4-01202-00290640-00290819 the behavior to begin with which you EdFYVS3s9R4-01203-00290820-00290980 there's lots of ways you can do that one EdFYVS3s9R4-01204-00290981-00291221 of them being CPS EdFYVS3s9R4-01205-00291222-00291341 um Ross Green EdFYVS3s9R4-01206-00291342-00291563 collaborative and proactive Solutions EdFYVS3s9R4-01207-00291564-00291803 conversations with kids to help them EdFYVS3s9R4-01208-00291804-00292055 share their wisdom EdFYVS3s9R4-01209-00292056-00292289 um and what I've come across is kids EdFYVS3s9R4-01210-00292290-00292517 come into my office or my space with me EdFYVS3s9R4-01211-00292518-00292673 and I try to make it as warm and EdFYVS3s9R4-01212-00292674-00292901 friendly as possible and they're EdFYVS3s9R4-01213-00292902-00293117 terrified you know kids who don't know EdFYVS3s9R4-01214-00293118-00293369 me they think they're in trouble you EdFYVS3s9R4-01215-00293370-00293639 know they're they're either this big and EdFYVS3s9R4-01216-00293640-00293801 so I start the circle with like giving EdFYVS3s9R4-01217-00293802-00293963 them some toys and talking to them EdFYVS3s9R4-01218-00293964-00294119 you're not in trouble it's okay we're EdFYVS3s9R4-01219-00294120-00294299 gonna work through this together by the EdFYVS3s9R4-01220-00294300-00294484 time we're done they've calmed down but EdFYVS3s9R4-01221-00294485-00294730 their initial response to EdFYVS3s9R4-01222-00294731-00295121 having a conversation that's hard is I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-01223-00295122-00295301 in trouble what's going to happen to me EdFYVS3s9R4-01224-00295302-00295571 uh you know so I'm really on a mission EdFYVS3s9R4-01225-00295572-00296195 to change that change that for kids EdFYVS3s9R4-01226-00296196-00296429 oh that's all just so amazing to hear EdFYVS3s9R4-01227-00296430-00296656 the other thing I'll add to what you've EdFYVS3s9R4-01228-00296657-00296921 said about I mean like I I I can't even EdFYVS3s9R4-01229-00296922-00297275 imagine what it's like to be a teacher EdFYVS3s9R4-01230-00297276-00297671 like I can't even have two kids in my EdFYVS3s9R4-01231-00297672-00297856 exam room at the same time without my EdFYVS3s9R4-01232-00297857-00298079 brain exploding let alone like all just EdFYVS3s9R4-01233-00298080-00298360 like the sensory chaos of most EdFYVS3s9R4-01234-00298361-00298643 classrooms and because most people are EdFYVS3s9R4-01235-00298644-00298877 not talking about sensory processing I EdFYVS3s9R4-01236-00298878-00299197 think that there's maybe some just even EdFYVS3s9R4-01237-00299198-00299549 unrecognized impact of the environment EdFYVS3s9R4-01238-00299550-00299813 on the adults in the environment and I EdFYVS3s9R4-01239-00299814-00300047 put a link in the chat to an old brain EdFYVS3s9R4-01240-00300048-00300239 Club about this Hannah Bloom is an EdFYVS3s9R4-01241-00300240-00300395 occupational therapist talking about EdFYVS3s9R4-01242-00300396-00300556 stuff in your environment you don't EdFYVS3s9R4-01243-00300557-00300791 realize is stressing you out so I just EdFYVS3s9R4-01244-00300792-00301060 like just that that that is a EdFYVS3s9R4-01245-00301061-00301253 conversation that I think I think needs EdFYVS3s9R4-01246-00301254-00301505 to be had sensory processing is not just EdFYVS3s9R4-01247-00301506-00301723 for kids with like an identified EdFYVS3s9R4-01248-00301724-00302015 neurodevelopmental disability like we EdFYVS3s9R4-01249-00302016-00302363 all have sensory processing systems we EdFYVS3s9R4-01250-00302364-00302603 all have brains so like this is EdFYVS3s9R4-01251-00302604-00302795 something that I wish what I would like EdFYVS3s9R4-01252-00302796-00303082 to see is that this is part of like talk EdFYVS3s9R4-01253-00303083-00303334 like this is the part of preschool EdFYVS3s9R4-01254-00303335-00303580 um so like you know Luna's Luna's grown EdFYVS3s9R4-01255-00303581-00303791 up talking about her sensory systems EdFYVS3s9R4-01256-00303792-00304079 like her whole life and so I just I EdFYVS3s9R4-01257-00304080-00304295 think that would be an important piece EdFYVS3s9R4-01258-00304296-00304429 of EdFYVS3s9R4-01259-00304430-00304643 sociomotional learning EdFYVS3s9R4-01260-00304644-00304799 um is like understanding how your brain EdFYVS3s9R4-01261-00304800-00304925 works EdFYVS3s9R4-01262-00304926-00305273 um and that stuff I got so much out of EdFYVS3s9R4-01263-00305274-00305519 um you describing like all the different EdFYVS3s9R4-01264-00305520-00305753 senses that go beyond like the five EdFYVS3s9R4-01265-00305754-00305956 senses we teach kids like I could just EdFYVS3s9R4-01266-00305957-00306287 imagine how valuable that would be first EdFYVS3s9R4-01267-00306288-00306575 for educators and then for kids to learn EdFYVS3s9R4-01268-00306576-00306899 about like all those different layers of EdFYVS3s9R4-01269-00306900-00307301 our system that's taking in information EdFYVS3s9R4-01270-00307302-00307397 um EdFYVS3s9R4-01271-00307398-00307667 it's it's just so empowering to EdFYVS3s9R4-01272-00307668-00307930 understand that stuff EdFYVS3s9R4-01273-00307931-00308260 thank you I I absolutely and so you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01274-00308261-00308693 this is these are um and ABB does a lot EdFYVS3s9R4-01275-00308694-00308908 of educational trainings and so um I can EdFYVS3s9R4-01276-00308909-00309167 think of last year we did a training for EdFYVS3s9R4-01277-00309168-00309460 uh an independent school about this EdFYVS3s9R4-01278-00309461-00309803 stuff and specifically how to talk about EdFYVS3s9R4-01279-00309804-00310067 these topics with students anyway they EdFYVS3s9R4-01280-00310068-00310313 they ended up creating like an EdFYVS3s9R4-01281-00310314-00310606 experiential work set of workshops for EdFYVS3s9R4-01282-00310607-00311027 their students in a k through four EdFYVS3s9R4-01283-00311028-00311243 um uh school about sensory processing EdFYVS3s9R4-01284-00311244-00311356 because this is like this impacts EdFYVS3s9R4-01285-00311357-00311597 literally everybody I'm gonna put a link EdFYVS3s9R4-01286-00311598-00311891 in the chat this is from our brain Club EdFYVS3s9R4-01287-00311892-00312115 um on like discussing EdFYVS3s9R4-01288-00312116-00312406 neurodiversity with kids EdFYVS3s9R4-01289-00312407-00312610 I love how you have all these brain EdFYVS3s9R4-01290-00312611-00312821 clubs at your fingertips thank you well EdFYVS3s9R4-01291-00312822-00313043 it's only the cause of the bring Club EdFYVS3s9R4-01292-00313044-00313330 2022 guide we had some volunteers who EdFYVS3s9R4-01293-00313331-00313487 put this together EdFYVS3s9R4-01294-00313488-00313613 um I'll put that in the chat too you EdFYVS3s9R4-01295-00313614-00313769 feel like at Brewing club we have this EdFYVS3s9R4-01296-00313770-00314003 document open like at the ready so EdFYVS3s9R4-01297-00314004-00314171 something comes up and I'd be like EdFYVS3s9R4-01298-00314172-00314417 control F neurodiversity and then in a EdFYVS3s9R4-01299-00314418-00314603 fight there's a brain club for that yeah EdFYVS3s9R4-01300-00314604-00314867 there's a brain club for everything once EdFYVS3s9R4-01301-00314868-00314993 you have like you know we're 15 months EdFYVS3s9R4-01302-00314994-00315167 into brain club like we got a lot of EdFYVS3s9R4-01303-00315168-00315341 archives now EdFYVS3s9R4-01304-00315342-00315556 um this is the whole directory EdFYVS3s9R4-01305-00315557-00315730 um so there's a couple of things I just EdFYVS3s9R4-01306-00315731-00315953 want to poke in right now which is that EdFYVS3s9R4-01307-00315954-00316193 this thing like we don't all have to be EdFYVS3s9R4-01308-00316194-00316397 good at all the things and I talked EdFYVS3s9R4-01309-00316398-00316601 about this in reimagining education I EdFYVS3s9R4-01310-00316602-00316769 think this is a big spring cleaning EdFYVS3s9R4-01311-00316770-00316937 moment for us of like what does not EdFYVS3s9R4-01312-00316938-00317273 serve us like we don't need every single EdFYVS3s9R4-01313-00317274-00317501 child to get an A plus in every single EdFYVS3s9R4-01314-00317502-00317758 subject like let's just stop doing that EdFYVS3s9R4-01315-00317759-00317927 you know these and the standardized EdFYVS3s9R4-01316-00317928-00318179 tests that came up earlier EdFYVS3s9R4-01317-00318180-00318449 um and one of the things that made me EdFYVS3s9R4-01318-00318450-00318737 think of that is because this idea of EdFYVS3s9R4-01319-00318738-00319097 not knowing I got so used to pretending EdFYVS3s9R4-01320-00319098-00319432 I knew because I couldn't bear to like EdFYVS3s9R4-01321-00319433-00319654 have the embarrassment of being caught EdFYVS3s9R4-01322-00319655-00320008 in the classroom not knowing that I find EdFYVS3s9R4-01323-00320009-00320243 myself as an adult in conversations EdFYVS3s9R4-01324-00320244-00320399 people are like oh you know it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01325-00320400-00320608 something really silly like oh this EdFYVS3s9R4-01326-00320609-00320771 movie with such and such an actor like EdFYVS3s9R4-01327-00320772-00320897 those are the kinds of things my brain EdFYVS3s9R4-01328-00320898-00321125 doesn't categorize like I don't memorize EdFYVS3s9R4-01329-00321126-00321317 those kinds of things and I'll just say EdFYVS3s9R4-01330-00321318-00321563 oh yeah yeah I totally yeah like EdFYVS3s9R4-01331-00321564-00321706 pretending I know what they're talking EdFYVS3s9R4-01332-00321707-00321875 about and they'll be like oh you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01333-00321876-00322115 that one I'm like no actually I don't I EdFYVS3s9R4-01334-00322116-00322373 actually I don't I've gotten I've had to EdFYVS3s9R4-01335-00322374-00322649 like rewire my habit on that and one of EdFYVS3s9R4-01336-00322650-00322853 the things that has EdFYVS3s9R4-01337-00322854-00323087 um really helped is my kids like my kids EdFYVS3s9R4-01338-00323088-00323369 in my classroom like my own children EdFYVS3s9R4-01339-00323370-00323537 um they've helped me get more EdFYVS3s9R4-01340-00323538-00323825 comfortable saying I don't know let's EdFYVS3s9R4-01341-00323826-00324130 figure it out let's find out together EdFYVS3s9R4-01342-00324131-00324287 um but one of the things my brain does EdFYVS3s9R4-01343-00324288-00324467 awesome EdFYVS3s9R4-01344-00324468-00324671 so what you were saying like you just EdFYVS3s9R4-01345-00324672-00324856 have a couple of kids and you're like ah EdFYVS3s9R4-01346-00324857-00325175 I'm like 35 three-year-olds bring it on EdFYVS3s9R4-01347-00325176-00325391 I'm ready I'm at the ready and it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01348-00325392-00325697 because my brain like I love untangling EdFYVS3s9R4-01349-00325698-00326015 knots like a jewelry box that's been EdFYVS3s9R4-01350-00326016-00326279 neglected for years and has like 500 EdFYVS3s9R4-01351-00326280-00326554 necklaces in it like oh yes I can like EdFYVS3s9R4-01352-00326555-00326753 untangle them all and like figure out EdFYVS3s9R4-01353-00326754-00326963 which one's which and like that's what EdFYVS3s9R4-01354-00326964-00327143 my brain does in the classroom it's like EdFYVS3s9R4-01355-00327144-00327395 all right I've got I've got eyes on like EdFYVS3s9R4-01356-00327396-00327623 and ears on every student and I know EdFYVS3s9R4-01357-00327624-00327863 just what they're into and I'm making EdFYVS3s9R4-01358-00327864-00328103 observations and I'm creating you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01359-00328104-00328337 you know developing the environment so EdFYVS3s9R4-01360-00328338-00328529 it's meeting everyone's access needs and EdFYVS3s9R4-01361-00328530-00328727 I'm just like oh like all over the place EdFYVS3s9R4-01362-00328728-00329032 and I I get so fired up in those EdFYVS3s9R4-01363-00329033-00329284 settings like I just love it but not EdFYVS3s9R4-01364-00329285-00329737 everybody does and that's okay EdFYVS3s9R4-01365-00329738-00329951 so that's how I tied all of that EdFYVS3s9R4-01366-00329952-00330119 together but that's been a really EdFYVS3s9R4-01367-00330120-00330406 important thing for me my my two um EdFYVS3s9R4-01368-00330407-00330784 kids at home my biological kids they are EdFYVS3s9R4-01369-00330785-00331073 very different they they excel in very EdFYVS3s9R4-01370-00331074-00331223 different things and it's taken us a EdFYVS3s9R4-01371-00331224-00331523 while to say like it's okay if you're EdFYVS3s9R4-01372-00331524-00331756 amazing at math your sister doesn't have EdFYVS3s9R4-01373-00331757-00332039 to be as amazing at math at you she's EdFYVS3s9R4-01374-00332040-00332297 awesome artist and she loves to write EdFYVS3s9R4-01375-00332298-00332519 poetry and like so that's what she EdFYVS3s9R4-01376-00332520-00332789 focuses on you go focus on you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01377-00332790-00333058 building things and calculating things EdFYVS3s9R4-01378-00333059-00333353 like and then we know who to turn to and EdFYVS3s9R4-01379-00333354-00333515 we need something built or calculated EdFYVS3s9R4-01380-00333516-00333713 and we know who to turn to and we want EdFYVS3s9R4-01381-00333714-00333947 some beautiful art you know we all have EdFYVS3s9R4-01382-00333948-00334199 these amazing skills EdFYVS3s9R4-01383-00334200-00334415 um and like so let's stop wasting time EdFYVS3s9R4-01384-00334416-00334558 trying to EdFYVS3s9R4-01385-00334559-00334763 you know figure out the things we're not EdFYVS3s9R4-01386-00334764-00334841 good at EdFYVS3s9R4-01387-00334842-00335015 that's what I so that's what all I have EdFYVS3s9R4-01388-00335016-00335104 to say EdFYVS3s9R4-01389-00335105-00335315 thank you for that right I mean like EdFYVS3s9R4-01390-00335316-00335530 like or like figure out how your brain EdFYVS3s9R4-01391-00335531-00335771 works and then design your life in a way EdFYVS3s9R4-01392-00335772-00336041 that works for your brain that's Niche EdFYVS3s9R4-01393-00336042-00336191 construction EdFYVS3s9R4-01394-00336192-00336610 um um uh to coin um the term that Dr EdFYVS3s9R4-01395-00336611-00336827 Thomas Armstrong coined EdFYVS3s9R4-01396-00336828-00337013 um that's that's what we should want for EdFYVS3s9R4-01397-00337014-00337229 anybody is to have Niche construction EdFYVS3s9R4-01398-00337230-00337415 and it's Sarah said it takes all types EdFYVS3s9R4-01399-00337416-00337565 in the village oh absolutely right EdFYVS3s9R4-01400-00337566-00337708 that's why we this is this is like why EdFYVS3s9R4-01401-00337709-00337829 we have all different brains I'm hearing EdFYVS3s9R4-01402-00337830-00337960 this and I'm like literally everything EdFYVS3s9R4-01403-00337961-00338123 you just described as your strengths are EdFYVS3s9R4-01404-00338124-00338429 like my hardest things for my brain I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-01405-00338430-00338663 so glad that you exist in the world EdFYVS3s9R4-01406-00338664-00338860 right so so that's that's what this EdFYVS3s9R4-01407-00338861-00339125 should be about EdFYVS3s9R4-01408-00339126-00339467 um and I and I I I I I I I think it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01409-00339468-00339821 not just I mean that frame applies to to EdFYVS3s9R4-01410-00339822-00340210 All Humans right so if we spend all of EdFYVS3s9R4-01411-00340211-00340517 our time trying to get people to do the EdFYVS3s9R4-01412-00340518-00340721 thing that's power over that's the thing EdFYVS3s9R4-01413-00340722-00340913 Christina's daughter EdFYVS3s9R4-01414-00340914-00341158 um knows is unsafe EdFYVS3s9R4-01415-00341159-00341471 um that that that that's that doesn't EdFYVS3s9R4-01416-00341472-00341987 serve anybody EdFYVS3s9R4-01417-00341988-00342173 so EdFYVS3s9R4-01418-00342174-00342341 um as Sarah says spring cleaning EdFYVS3s9R4-01419-00342342-00342497 education means helping each child EdFYVS3s9R4-01420-00342498-00342701 discover their natural and unique gifts EdFYVS3s9R4-01421-00342702-00343043 yeah yeah and I think also EdFYVS3s9R4-01422-00343044-00343258 um you know one one comment that hasn't EdFYVS3s9R4-01423-00343259-00343403 that sort of came up but that didn't EdFYVS3s9R4-01424-00343404-00343697 really clearly come up yet EdFYVS3s9R4-01425-00343698-00344093 um uh it is is around the self-concept EdFYVS3s9R4-01426-00344094-00344237 piece EdFYVS3s9R4-01427-00344238-00344795 so if you grow up receiving the message EdFYVS3s9R4-01428-00344796-00345208 that there's something about you that EdFYVS3s9R4-01429-00345209-00345623 needs to be fixed or cured or like EdFYVS3s9R4-01430-00345624-00346060 significantly changed that takes its EdFYVS3s9R4-01431-00346061-00346384 toll you you know you might be doing EdFYVS3s9R4-01432-00346385-00346654 like you know well enough in school but EdFYVS3s9R4-01433-00346655-00346823 you're still getting the message that EdFYVS3s9R4-01434-00346824-00346997 there's something about you that needs EdFYVS3s9R4-01435-00346998-00347347 to be changed that stuff EdFYVS3s9R4-01436-00347348-00347741 stays it stays and it has such I mean um EdFYVS3s9R4-01437-00347742-00348013 as a as a doctor who takes care of EdFYVS3s9R4-01438-00348014-00348184 neurodivergent people through the EdFYVS3s9R4-01439-00348185-00348395 through the lifespan I have it's just so EdFYVS3s9R4-01440-00348396-00348587 many adults EdFYVS3s9R4-01441-00348588-00348941 um who have such significant health EdFYVS3s9R4-01442-00348942-00349223 problems stemming from the messages they EdFYVS3s9R4-01443-00349224-00349579 got in grade school EdFYVS3s9R4-01444-00349580-00349919 and you know even you know even myself EdFYVS3s9R4-01445-00349920-00350327 as an autistic person who like also EdFYVS3s9R4-01446-00350328-00350573 happens to have this like professional EdFYVS3s9R4-01447-00350574-00350941 lens of knowing about brains I still EdFYVS3s9R4-01448-00350942-00351245 inadvertently things fly off the tongue EdFYVS3s9R4-01449-00351246-00351610 so like Luna hums at the top of her EdFYVS3s9R4-01450-00351611-00351904 lungs and she like strains her neck EdFYVS3s9R4-01451-00351905-00352127 muscles because she's humming so hard EdFYVS3s9R4-01452-00352128-00352354 and she's grinding her teeth while she's EdFYVS3s9R4-01453-00352355-00352691 humming and this is what goes on and so EdFYVS3s9R4-01454-00352692-00353017 my brain has this big limbic response EdFYVS3s9R4-01455-00353018-00353351 every time she does that and even if I EdFYVS3s9R4-01456-00353352-00353734 don't say anything I am casting the EdFYVS3s9R4-01457-00353735-00353969 energy it's like the force field of like EdFYVS3s9R4-01458-00353970-00354263 nah nah unsafe unsafe because to my EdFYVS3s9R4-01459-00354264-00354460 brain it is unsafe because it makes me EdFYVS3s9R4-01460-00354461-00354682 feel like my brain's gonna explode I EdFYVS3s9R4-01461-00354683-00354910 can't not have that sensory experience EdFYVS3s9R4-01462-00354911-00355210 and I am giving the message that there's EdFYVS3s9R4-01463-00355211-00355403 something fundamental about her that EdFYVS3s9R4-01464-00355404-00355715 needs to be changed and I'm so EdFYVS3s9R4-01465-00355716-00355930 furious at myself like all day long EdFYVS3s9R4-01466-00355931-00356110 about that because I you know all I can EdFYVS3s9R4-01467-00356111-00356237 do is put on earphones and hope for the EdFYVS3s9R4-01468-00356238-00356519 best but I think this is what goes on EdFYVS3s9R4-01469-00356520-00356939 like all day everywhere in in in in EdFYVS3s9R4-01470-00356940-00357263 subtle yet profound ways and as Melissa EdFYVS3s9R4-01471-00357264-00357497 says as a mom to a teenager it's so hard EdFYVS3s9R4-01472-00357498-00357743 without adding this message of it needs EdFYVS3s9R4-01473-00357744-00357917 to be fixed it's intentional and it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01474-00357918-00358234 hard work to hold my tongue yeah yeah EdFYVS3s9R4-01475-00358235-00358553 and uh see the experiences this too yeah EdFYVS3s9R4-01476-00358554-00358793 it's it's it is so hard so it's like at EdFYVS3s9R4-01477-00358794-00359141 least the cortical override to like oh EdFYVS3s9R4-01478-00359142-00359410 pause oh don't say the thing but to be EdFYVS3s9R4-01479-00359411-00359704 aware especially with our with our EdFYVS3s9R4-01480-00359705-00359897 nervous systems that have EdFYVS3s9R4-01481-00359898-00360143 um hypersensitive neuroception or threat EdFYVS3s9R4-01482-00360144-00360341 detection uh these are these are our EdFYVS3s9R4-01483-00360342-00360689 pdaers for example who have EdFYVS3s9R4-01484-00360690-00360827 um you know you don't have to say EdFYVS3s9R4-01485-00360828-00360958 anything EdFYVS3s9R4-01486-00360959-00361228 um you know we're porous to energy I can EdFYVS3s9R4-01487-00361229-00361427 feel your energy I feel your judgment I EdFYVS3s9R4-01488-00361428-00361595 feel your Vibe EdFYVS3s9R4-01489-00361596-00361949 um and so that that is real and so all EdFYVS3s9R4-01490-00361950-00362249 all all we do in my house about that is EdFYVS3s9R4-01491-00362250-00362501 just like try to bring some transparency EdFYVS3s9R4-01492-00362502-00362873 like Luna I I just want to let you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01493-00362874-00363082 I'm having this response to the humming EdFYVS3s9R4-01494-00363083-00363310 it's not because there's anything wrong EdFYVS3s9R4-01495-00363311-00363556 with your humming this is me and my EdFYVS3s9R4-01496-00363557-00363739 accents I'm gonna pop on some headphones EdFYVS3s9R4-01497-00363740-00364043 I love you I love you and I love your I EdFYVS3s9R4-01498-00364044-00364217 love I want you to I want you to have EdFYVS3s9R4-01499-00364218-00364480 all your access needs met and you you EdFYVS3s9R4-01500-00364481-00364751 may feel my energy this is about me and EdFYVS3s9R4-01501-00364752-00364973 my my sensory processing experience and EdFYVS3s9R4-01502-00364974-00365147 like that I think I mean I don't know EdFYVS3s9R4-01503-00365148-00365356 but she says that she's like yeah I know EdFYVS3s9R4-01504-00365357-00365441 I don't care EdFYVS3s9R4-01505-00365442-00365560 um but I think if I didn't say anything EdFYVS3s9R4-01506-00365561-00365813 I think she might have cared EdFYVS3s9R4-01507-00365814-00366125 so what I would like to see EdFYVS3s9R4-01508-00366126-00366539 um and is is is just just about everyone EdFYVS3s9R4-01509-00366540-00366917 talking about their own access needs as EdFYVS3s9R4-01510-00366918-00367282 though they are you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01511-00367283-00367534 equal you know my access needs matter EdFYVS3s9R4-01512-00367535-00367751 just as as much as your access needs and EdFYVS3s9R4-01513-00367752-00367984 vice versa as opposed to like like uh EdFYVS3s9R4-01514-00367985-00368123 like Christina's daughter was talking EdFYVS3s9R4-01515-00368124-00368363 about when there's power dynamics power EdFYVS3s9R4-01516-00368364-00368669 over my access needs are become rules my EdFYVS3s9R4-01517-00368670-00368867 access needs to become policy my access EdFYVS3s9R4-01518-00368868-00369028 needs become law EdFYVS3s9R4-01519-00369029-00369203 um that's dangerous that's power over EdFYVS3s9R4-01520-00369204-00369503 that's perpetuation of of Oppression EdFYVS3s9R4-01521-00369504-00369767 Anna you want to close us out EdFYVS3s9R4-01522-00369768-00370127 I just you know as you were talking this EdFYVS3s9R4-01523-00370128-00370391 this thing is bubbling in me and I want EdFYVS3s9R4-01524-00370392-00370649 to see if I can articulate it because EdFYVS3s9R4-01525-00370650-00370901 so often I feel like when our access EdFYVS3s9R4-01526-00370902-00371165 needs aren't met when we're kids EdFYVS3s9R4-01527-00371166-00371363 and we kind of end up with this like EdFYVS3s9R4-01528-00371364-00371591 chip on our shoulder like well when I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-01529-00371592-00371837 an adult I'll show them you know and I EdFYVS3s9R4-01530-00371838-00372089 see it happen with teachers and I and I EdFYVS3s9R4-01531-00372090-00372358 feel it in myself as a parent you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01532-00372359-00372695 in those moments where it's like I I EdFYVS3s9R4-01533-00372696-00372941 actually feel like as an adult like it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01534-00372942-00373210 my responsibility actually to provide my EdFYVS3s9R4-01535-00373211-00373415 child with their access needs and so EdFYVS3s9R4-01536-00373416-00373649 sometimes I put that above my own but EdFYVS3s9R4-01537-00373650-00373823 then I can start to feel really resent EdFYVS3s9R4-01538-00373824-00374171 like some resentment about it and so one EdFYVS3s9R4-01539-00374172-00374441 of the things that's been so key for me EdFYVS3s9R4-01540-00374442-00374675 and this is you know something that I've EdFYVS3s9R4-01541-00374676-00374873 had a lot of support with a lot of EdFYVS3s9R4-01542-00374874-00375095 therapy around a lot of different pieces EdFYVS3s9R4-01543-00375096-00375401 it's like being able to like almost go EdFYVS3s9R4-01544-00375402-00375725 back to my child self and actually like EdFYVS3s9R4-01545-00375726-00376049 offers that nurturing and offer that EdFYVS3s9R4-01546-00376050-00376301 like I see you and I know your needs EdFYVS3s9R4-01547-00376302-00376534 weren't met and like and now you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01548-00376535-00376823 like almost like convincing myself that EdFYVS3s9R4-01549-00376824-00377117 there's a new way to be with myself so EdFYVS3s9R4-01550-00377118-00377260 that I can and better have those EdFYVS3s9R4-01551-00377261-00377393 conversations because you're right that EdFYVS3s9R4-01552-00377394-00377632 transparency is so important but when it EdFYVS3s9R4-01553-00377633-00377849 happens in a split second and that EdFYVS3s9R4-01554-00377850-00378058 resentment like flares up in me and I'm EdFYVS3s9R4-01555-00378059-00378328 like I'm gonna get my needs from that EdFYVS3s9R4-01556-00378329-00378556 and it's the last thing I do you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01557-00378557-00378784 because it's been so many years that EdFYVS3s9R4-01558-00378785-00378982 that need hasn't been met and the adults EdFYVS3s9R4-01559-00378983-00379241 in my life kept reflecting to me for so EdFYVS3s9R4-01560-00379242-00379456 many years my teachers my parents you EdFYVS3s9R4-01561-00379457-00379595 know that there was something wrong with EdFYVS3s9R4-01562-00379596-00379865 me that needed to be fixed and uh it EdFYVS3s9R4-01563-00379866-00380147 just there's it's there's so many layers EdFYVS3s9R4-01564-00380148-00380417 they're so so so so so so many layers EdFYVS3s9R4-01565-00380418-00380717 and the more that I've been able to do EdFYVS3s9R4-01566-00380718-00380915 you know and again coming back to what EdFYVS3s9R4-01567-00380916-00381119 Cecilia and Vicki said it was just just EdFYVS3s9R4-01568-00381120-00381280 so important The more I've been able to EdFYVS3s9R4-01569-00381281-00381604 do the work myself you know re you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01570-00381605-00381947 give myself just the the opportunity to EdFYVS3s9R4-01571-00381948-00382360 even say I have access needs and then to EdFYVS3s9R4-01572-00382361-00382637 maybe see a future or or a present EdFYVS3s9R4-01573-00382638-00382823 moment in which they could possibly be EdFYVS3s9R4-01574-00382824-00382960 met EdFYVS3s9R4-01575-00382961-00383087 um EdFYVS3s9R4-01576-00383088-00383303 it gives me like just that little bit EdFYVS3s9R4-01577-00383304-00383560 more space to to be with my kids in a EdFYVS3s9R4-01578-00383561-00383710 more real way EdFYVS3s9R4-01579-00383711-00383771 um EdFYVS3s9R4-01580-00383772-00384041 give them that respect but I have to EdFYVS3s9R4-01581-00384042-00384354 give it to myself first EdFYVS3s9R4-01582-00384355-00384634 absolutely and that is so there's a EdFYVS3s9R4-01583-00384635-00384797 question in the chat EdFYVS3s9R4-01584-00384798-00385001 um around what is an access need and EdFYVS3s9R4-01585-00385002-00385175 thank you for the question EdFYVS3s9R4-01586-00385176-00385534 um so access needs being anything that EdFYVS3s9R4-01587-00385535-00385799 anyone needs for full and meaningfully EdFYVS3s9R4-01588-00385800-00386063 meaningful participation in their EdFYVS3s9R4-01589-00386064-00386369 activity and so if I if I'm a wheelchair EdFYVS3s9R4-01590-00386370-00386656 user I have an access need for a ramp EdFYVS3s9R4-01591-00386657-00386873 um but when it comes to EdFYVS3s9R4-01592-00386874-00387028 um you know first off everyone has EdFYVS3s9R4-01593-00387029-00387160 access needs not just people with EdFYVS3s9R4-01594-00387161-00387287 disabilities EdFYVS3s9R4-01595-00387288-00387521 um it's just that there are people who EdFYVS3s9R4-01596-00387522-00387719 are more or less likely to have their EdFYVS3s9R4-01597-00387720-00387928 access needs met by the defaults of EdFYVS3s9R4-01598-00387929-00388103 society EdFYVS3s9R4-01599-00388104-00388378 um so if I have the kind of brain that EdFYVS3s9R4-01600-00388379-00388780 is really sensitive to loud sounds if I EdFYVS3s9R4-01601-00388781-00389021 enter a space where there's like a you EdFYVS3s9R4-01602-00389022-00389278 know a fluorescent light buzzing it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01603-00389279-00389417 not even a loud sound but it's like may EdFYVS3s9R4-01604-00389418-00389615 as well be like you know EdFYVS3s9R4-01605-00389616-00389747 anyway EdFYVS3s9R4-01606-00389748-00389969 um or like today in my office there was EdFYVS3s9R4-01607-00389970-00390160 some like alarm sounding and it like was EdFYVS3s9R4-01608-00390161-00390377 sounding for an hour and like I I have EdFYVS3s9R4-01609-00390378-00390569 an access need to that sound not Beyond EdFYVS3s9R4-01610-00390570-00390706 so I'm gonna leave EdFYVS3s9R4-01611-00390707-00390971 um so like that kind of thing EdFYVS3s9R4-01612-00390972-00391193 um uh and Kat says conflicting access EdFYVS3s9R4-01613-00391194-00391445 needs might be the need for quiet to EdFYVS3s9R4-01614-00391446-00391630 concentrate and the need to bounce and EdFYVS3s9R4-01615-00391631-00391775 hum to concentrate at the exact same EdFYVS3s9R4-01616-00391776-00391943 time yeah Luna and I we have conflicting EdFYVS3s9R4-01617-00391944-00392189 access means all the time EdFYVS3s9R4-01618-00392190-00392428 um and in fact um actually when when um EdFYVS3s9R4-01619-00392429-00392687 uh next week EdFYVS3s9R4-01620-00392688-00392891 um uh I forget what we're calling it but EdFYVS3s9R4-01621-00392892-00393058 we're it's uh it's it's it's neural EdFYVS3s9R4-01622-00393059-00393232 inclusive employment bring up we always EdFYVS3s9R4-01623-00393233-00393365 it's always the third week of the month EdFYVS3s9R4-01624-00393366-00393575 we talk about employment and uh we're EdFYVS3s9R4-01625-00393576-00393845 gonna um we're gonna be like taking the EdFYVS3s9R4-01626-00393846-00394019 curtain down and we're gonna we're gonna EdFYVS3s9R4-01627-00394020-00394139 show EdFYVS3s9R4-01628-00394140-00394427 um some clips of all brain's belong EdFYVS3s9R4-01629-00394428-00394630 staff meetings EdFYVS3s9R4-01630-00394631-00394787 um working through conflicting access EdFYVS3s9R4-01631-00394788-00394925 needs EdFYVS3s9R4-01632-00394926-00395063 um because that is part of spring EdFYVS3s9R4-01633-00395064-00395363 cleaning of like at all times we have to EdFYVS3s9R4-01634-00395364-00395747 both hold and explore address our access EdFYVS3s9R4-01635-00395748-00396251 needs and bring some transparency to EdFYVS3s9R4-01636-00396252-00396460 when they're not being met and there's EdFYVS3s9R4-01637-00396461-00396743 conflicts because that's like a healthy EdFYVS3s9R4-01638-00396744-00397019 neural inclusive workplace culture it's EdFYVS3s9R4-01639-00397020-00397247 not like it's definitely not easy but EdFYVS3s9R4-01640-00397248-00397403 it's just like a commitment to the EdFYVS3s9R4-01641-00397404-00397667 Paradigm that I think is the most EdFYVS3s9R4-01642-00397668-00397841 important thing EdFYVS3s9R4-01643-00397842-00398182 um so so with with that we we look EdFYVS3s9R4-01644-00398183-00398465 forward to seeing you next week oh and EdFYVS3s9R4-01645-00398466-00398651 Sarah's reminding me EdFYVS3s9R4-01646-00398652-00398813 um oh yeah what no longer serves you at EdFYVS3s9R4-01647-00398814-00398927 work yeah it sounds like something we EdFYVS3s9R4-01648-00398928-00399058 would call next week EdFYVS3s9R4-01649-00399059-00399245 um anyway but EdFYVS3s9R4-01650-00399246-00399606 um it so so often we find um because EdFYVS3s9R4-01651-00399607-00400037 very few of us are are at a workstation EdFYVS3s9R4-01652-00400038-00400277 a computer that has access to an EdFYVS3s9R4-01653-00400278-00400510 ethernet cable which is like when you're EdFYVS3s9R4-01654-00400511-00400691 when you're playing a streaming video EdFYVS3s9R4-01655-00400692-00400925 it's really hard if it's not coming EdFYVS3s9R4-01656-00400926-00401219 through the ethernet so anyway EdFYVS3s9R4-01657-00401220-00401417 um we are wondering if there's anyone EdFYVS3s9R4-01658-00401418-00401734 who regularly comes to bring club that EdFYVS3s9R4-01659-00401735-00402082 would be interested in like signing up EdFYVS3s9R4-01660-00402083-00402437 for like you know a day here and there EdFYVS3s9R4-01661-00402438-00402695 to be the backup person when our staff EdFYVS3s9R4-01662-00402696-00402863 member who has an Ethernet like doesn't EdFYVS3s9R4-01663-00402864-00403006 make it home from school in time picking EdFYVS3s9R4-01664-00403007-00403169 up their kids or something like that EdFYVS3s9R4-01665-00403170-00403432 um so anyway if uh if if anybody is EdFYVS3s9R4-01666-00403433-00403756 willing and interested and has access to EdFYVS3s9R4-01667-00403757-00403930 a computer and like participates on EdFYVS3s9R4-01668-00403931-00404165 brain Club from a computer that um EdFYVS3s9R4-01669-00404166-00404393 connects to an ethernet cable or could EdFYVS3s9R4-01670-00404394-00404602 connect to an ethernet cable we would be EdFYVS3s9R4-01671-00404603-00404758 so grateful and I put our email address EdFYVS3s9R4-01672-00404759-00405189 a chat EdFYVS3s9R4-01673-00405190-00405401 [Music] EdFYVS3s9R4-01674-00405402-00405875 oh EdFYVS3s9R4-01675-00405876-00406963 [Music] EgEaikEep6U-00000-00000056-00000318 hello everyone welcome to another new EgEaikEep6U-00001-00000319-00000671 video from mccorsmorz and EgEaikEep6U-00002-00000672-00000983 today we have a brand new mod which is EgEaikEep6U-00003-00000984-00001239 already the 10th mode which we've made EgEaikEep6U-00004-00001240-00001470 which is very crazy EgEaikEep6U-00005-00001471-00001830 damn i can't believe how far and how EgEaikEep6U-00006-00001832-00002151 many mods we can create with your ideas EgEaikEep6U-00007-00002152-00002367 and suggestions EgEaikEep6U-00008-00002368-00002518 so yeah EgEaikEep6U-00009-00002519-00002895 um okay so why don't we start EgEaikEep6U-00010-00002896-00003303 so oh what do we have here EgEaikEep6U-00011-00003304-00003486 a wooden path EgEaikEep6U-00012-00003488-00003815 how nice shall we follow it i think we EgEaikEep6U-00013-00003815-00004119 should so yeah this new mccos mod is EgEaikEep6U-00014-00004120-00004199 called EgEaikEep6U-00015-00004200-00004375 puffs and pavings EgEaikEep6U-00016-00004376-00004591 and as you can see here we have the very EgEaikEep6U-00017-00004592-00004831 first new addition a wooden puff EgEaikEep6U-00018-00004832-00005047 which can be nicely used in a garden EgEaikEep6U-00019-00005048-00005151 like this EgEaikEep6U-00020-00005152-00005479 or just in nature which it looks very EgEaikEep6U-00021-00005480-00005743 good it's so simple but so nice and yeah EgEaikEep6U-00022-00005744-00005967 you can extend it if you want to you can EgEaikEep6U-00023-00005968-00006111 have EgEaikEep6U-00024-00006112-00006431 any white you want they have they can be EgEaikEep6U-00025-00006431-00006687 faced EgEaikEep6U-00026-00006688-00006983 they can be faced like this or this EgEaikEep6U-00027-00006984-00007142 and yeah EgEaikEep6U-00028-00007143-00007406 a wooden path very nice EgEaikEep6U-00029-00007408-00007710 so yeah and if you decide that you don't EgEaikEep6U-00030-00007711-00007903 want them to use you can use them as EgEaikEep6U-00031-00007904-00008142 fuel so you don't have to throw them EgEaikEep6U-00032-00008143-00008327 throw them out from your chest you can EgEaikEep6U-00033-00008328-00008663 just use it as fuel instead EgEaikEep6U-00034-00008664-00008831 okay yeah here you can see all the EgEaikEep6U-00035-00008832-00008974 variations EgEaikEep6U-00036-00008975-00009239 here we have oh experience birch jungle EgEaikEep6U-00037-00009240-00009606 acacia darko crimson and warp and yeah i EgEaikEep6U-00038-00009607-00010023 know 1.11.11.9 EgEaikEep6U-00039-00010024-00010303 is gonna release very soon so yeah i EgEaikEep6U-00040-00010304-00010559 will be updating each and every mode to EgEaikEep6U-00041-00010560-00010831 that version and yeah i will add the new EgEaikEep6U-00042-00010832-00011014 wooden EgEaikEep6U-00043-00011015-00011278 variation and maybe also the new mad EgEaikEep6U-00044-00011279-00011542 brick variation for all of my mods so EgEaikEep6U-00045-00011543-00011646 yeah EgEaikEep6U-00046-00011647-00011959 how do we craft it well we just need to EgEaikEep6U-00047-00011960-00012246 use a birch slab and we have six of the EgEaikEep6U-00048-00012247-00012374 path EgEaikEep6U-00049-00012375-00012695 birch spruce anything just decide which EgEaikEep6U-00050-00012696-00012974 one you want and yeah you can use it oh EgEaikEep6U-00051-00012975-00013071 also EgEaikEep6U-00052-00013072-00013230 um EgEaikEep6U-00053-00013231-00013471 the textures for this mod were made by EgEaikEep6U-00054-00013472-00013694 peachy so she made EgEaikEep6U-00055-00013695-00013911 the majority of the work for this mod so EgEaikEep6U-00056-00013912-00014079 yeah EgEaikEep6U-00057-00014080-00014311 yeah this is her second masterpiece EgEaikEep6U-00058-00014312-00014527 after paintings which is great EgEaikEep6U-00059-00014528-00014638 okay EgEaikEep6U-00060-00014640-00014903 let's oh what do we have here do you see EgEaikEep6U-00061-00014904-00015135 that hmm EgEaikEep6U-00062-00015136-00015350 a new path EgEaikEep6U-00063-00015351-00015766 a and a side path how nice EgEaikEep6U-00064-00015768-00016063 so yeah this is the second path this mod EgEaikEep6U-00065-00016063-00016150 adds EgEaikEep6U-00066-00016151-00016407 it is the diamond and the side and the EgEaikEep6U-00067-00016408-00016679 side diamond path i believe paving yeah EgEaikEep6U-00068-00016680-00016863 this is paving EgEaikEep6U-00069-00016864-00017094 so what's the difference between EgEaikEep6U-00070-00017095-00017358 paths and pavings uh this this first EgEaikEep6U-00071-00017359-00017615 version adds just this path but many EgEaikEep6U-00072-00017616-00017830 pavings and i will show you EgEaikEep6U-00073-00017831-00017999 what the EgEaikEep6U-00074-00018000-00018327 reason is that that pavings are made EgEaikEep6U-00075-00018328-00018519 transparent like this EgEaikEep6U-00076-00018520-00018711 so basically EgEaikEep6U-00077-00018712-00019022 we decided with pg that it would be EgEaikEep6U-00078-00019023-00019303 great if you could customize the EgEaikEep6U-00079-00019304-00019599 feelings here in some way so we decided EgEaikEep6U-00080-00019600-00019694 that EgEaikEep6U-00081-00019695-00019911 if they are transparent and you put EgEaikEep6U-00082-00019912-00020135 a block beneath it for example here we EgEaikEep6U-00083-00020136-00020279 have the EgEaikEep6U-00084-00020280-00020558 gray concrete if you place it you can EgEaikEep6U-00085-00020559-00020847 see that it looks like it's filled out EgEaikEep6U-00086-00020848-00021047 with EgEaikEep6U-00087-00021048-00021286 gray concrete also if we take another EgEaikEep6U-00088-00021287-00021455 one for example here we have the deep EgEaikEep6U-00089-00021456-00021663 slate one yeah the cobble deep slight EgEaikEep6U-00090-00021664-00021911 one if you place it here it is filled EgEaikEep6U-00091-00021912-00022207 with gray a great gravel yeah EgEaikEep6U-00092-00022208-00022607 or here we have the brick paving yeah EgEaikEep6U-00093-00022608-00022991 and they all i all are made to EgEaikEep6U-00094-00022992-00023271 be able to connect so if you place them EgEaikEep6U-00095-00023272-00023455 like this multiple times they will EgEaikEep6U-00096-00023456-00023791 nicely connect and you can make various EgEaikEep6U-00097-00023792-00023886 paths EgEaikEep6U-00098-00023887-00024199 pavings just like you want EgEaikEep6U-00099-00024200-00024358 so yeah EgEaikEep6U-00100-00024359-00024622 here we have all the variations so EgEaikEep6U-00101-00024623-00024791 first up is the endocyte which we've EgEaikEep6U-00102-00024792-00025086 seen here next we have the diorite EgEaikEep6U-00103-00025087-00025294 granite EgEaikEep6U-00104-00025295-00025550 sandstone red sandstone brick EgEaikEep6U-00105-00025551-00025758 cobblestone mossy cobblestone and cobble EgEaikEep6U-00106-00025760-00025870 deepslate EgEaikEep6U-00107-00025872-00026127 so we have nine variations and there are EgEaikEep6U-00108-00026127-00026295 many more pavings EgEaikEep6U-00109-00026295-00026607 so i think this first release adds about EgEaikEep6U-00110-00026608-00026862 60 of them but be sure to leave your EgEaikEep6U-00111-00026863-00027095 suggestion in the comments or discord EgEaikEep6U-00112-00027095-00027302 anywhere just let us know EgEaikEep6U-00113-00027304-00027495 that which page of which painting which EgEaikEep6U-00114-00027495-00027702 path would you be like to be added for EgEaikEep6U-00115-00027704-00027862 example you can EgEaikEep6U-00116-00027863-00028118 show us a image from the internet or EgEaikEep6U-00117-00028119-00028358 just draw it and EgEaikEep6U-00118-00028360-00028535 be like hey this could be nice to be EgEaikEep6U-00119-00028536-00028783 added so yeah here's how it it could EgEaikEep6U-00120-00028783-00028999 look and yeah we will talk about it with EgEaikEep6U-00121-00029000-00029207 peachy and we can edit because EgEaikEep6U-00122-00029208-00029439 again my cosmos are based on suggestions EgEaikEep6U-00123-00029439-00029574 so yeah EgEaikEep6U-00124-00029575-00029823 be sure to suggest us everything EgEaikEep6U-00125-00029824-00030070 and how are they are they crafted so EgEaikEep6U-00126-00030072-00030295 we wanted it to make as simple as EgEaikEep6U-00127-00030295-00030423 possible so EgEaikEep6U-00128-00030424-00030599 for example cobblestone granite and EgEaikEep6U-00129-00030600-00030839 decide if you put it here up spoilers EgEaikEep6U-00130-00030839-00031079 yeah just like this EgEaikEep6U-00131-00031080-00031351 and yeah maybe we will later change the EgEaikEep6U-00132-00031352-00031631 recipe to give more than one EgEaikEep6U-00133-00031632-00031967 paving yeah i i think i will do that EgEaikEep6U-00134-00031968-00032111 actually EgEaikEep6U-00135-00032112-00032358 right before after this video EgEaikEep6U-00136-00032360-00032487 so yeah EgEaikEep6U-00137-00032488-00032702 after this video EgEaikEep6U-00138-00032703-00032927 one and the site will give you four EgEaikEep6U-00139-00032928-00033135 pavings of these ones EgEaikEep6U-00140-00033136-00033399 not one yeah that will be fixed EgEaikEep6U-00141-00033400-00033607 but i've already started recording this EgEaikEep6U-00142-00033608-00033879 video and i don't want to do it again EgEaikEep6U-00143-00033880-00034015 okay EgEaikEep6U-00144-00034016-00034207 um so how about EgEaikEep6U-00145-00034208-00034487 we move to the next one oh yeah this is EgEaikEep6U-00146-00034488-00034679 the basket with paving EgEaikEep6U-00147-00034680-00035039 a very nice paving EgEaikEep6U-00148-00035040-00035215 yeah here you can see all the variations EgEaikEep6U-00149-00035216-00035439 again they can be combined and you can EgEaikEep6U-00150-00035440-00035535 make EgEaikEep6U-00151-00035536-00035687 really nice EgEaikEep6U-00152-00035688-00035902 looking areas with them i i love this EgEaikEep6U-00153-00035903-00036151 mod it's so simple but it is so great EgEaikEep6U-00154-00036152-00036430 and why is there no other maybe there is EgEaikEep6U-00155-00036431-00036646 another mod that adds something like EgEaikEep6U-00156-00036647-00036790 this but i EgEaikEep6U-00157-00036791-00037062 i am not aware of it so yeah that's why EgEaikEep6U-00158-00037063-00037415 we decided to make puffs and pavings so EgEaikEep6U-00159-00037416-00037655 yeah they are crafted again in the EgEaikEep6U-00160-00037656-00037902 stone cutter which is pretty easy oh EgEaikEep6U-00161-00037903-00038111 yeah and before EgEaikEep6U-00162-00038112-00038271 i EgEaikEep6U-00163-00038272-00038439 move to the next path i just want to EgEaikEep6U-00164-00038440-00038574 tell you that EgEaikEep6U-00165-00038575-00038735 if you are looking for a minecraft EgEaikEep6U-00166-00038736-00038895 hosting you can EgEaikEep6U-00167-00038896-00039143 go to bisect hosting and use my code EgEaikEep6U-00168-00039144-00039590 sketchmoko to get 25 of your first month EgEaikEep6U-00169-00039591-00039823 and enjoy playing with your friends so EgEaikEep6U-00170-00039824-00040118 yeah that's all and let's move EgEaikEep6U-00171-00040119-00040335 here so yeah here we have the square EgEaikEep6U-00172-00040336-00040583 paving the underside one it looks very EgEaikEep6U-00173-00040584-00040679 nice EgEaikEep6U-00174-00040680-00040951 i love it yeah and here we can see again EgEaikEep6U-00175-00040952-00041223 all of the variations that it has EgEaikEep6U-00176-00041224-00041511 damn it's so good i am so looking EgEaikEep6U-00177-00041512-00041758 forward to this mod because there is so EgEaikEep6U-00178-00041759-00042079 much potential for it EgEaikEep6U-00179-00042080-00042327 in the next update so yeah man this this EgEaikEep6U-00180-00042328-00042487 can be huge EgEaikEep6U-00181-00042488-00042687 i i know that after the release i will EgEaikEep6U-00182-00042688-00042895 get like tens and hundreds of EgEaikEep6U-00183-00042896-00043111 suggestions which is awesome and we will EgEaikEep6U-00184-00043112-00043399 look through each one of that and EgEaikEep6U-00185-00043400-00043655 yeah we love it we love doing that it's EgEaikEep6U-00186-00043656-00043815 so great EgEaikEep6U-00187-00043816-00044079 so yeah oh and you also EgEaikEep6U-00188-00044080-00044446 may be wondering that why is it not EgEaikEep6U-00189-00044447-00044783 a model just like like the wooden one EgEaikEep6U-00190-00044784-00044983 because you can see that this is a model EgEaikEep6U-00191-00044984-00045246 but this one is kind of EgEaikEep6U-00192-00045247-00045518 floating here so yeah i will i guess in EgEaikEep6U-00193-00045519-00045735 the second update i will make a vote if EgEaikEep6U-00194-00045736-00045935 we can let it stay like this or if you EgEaikEep6U-00195-00045936-00046071 would be EgEaikEep6U-00196-00046072-00046287 if you would like to have it like EgEaikEep6U-00197-00046288-00046455 the wooden puff EgEaikEep6U-00198-00046456-00046711 but the reason why i've made them like EgEaikEep6U-00199-00046712-00046855 this is to EgEaikEep6U-00200-00046856-00046943 be EgEaikEep6U-00201-00046944-00047118 less EgEaikEep6U-00202-00047119-00047239 uh EgEaikEep6U-00203-00047240-00047518 less heavy on your computer so this is a EgEaikEep6U-00204-00047519-00047751 very lightweight mod now EgEaikEep6U-00205-00047752-00048095 for even very weak computers which is EgEaikEep6U-00206-00048096-00048239 great i guess EgEaikEep6U-00207-00048240-00048471 so yeah that's the reason why if you are EgEaikEep6U-00208-00048472-00048599 wondering EgEaikEep6U-00209-00048600-00048799 okay let's move to EgEaikEep6U-00210-00048800-00049023 one of my favorites and that's the EgEaikEep6U-00211-00049024-00049199 honeycomb ring EgEaikEep6U-00212-00049200-00049423 you can see that oh my god this looks so EgEaikEep6U-00213-00049424-00049527 good EgEaikEep6U-00214-00049528-00049639 yeah EgEaikEep6U-00215-00049640-00049911 yeah you can just come back and make a EgEaikEep6U-00216-00049912-00050135 massive honeycomb platform EgEaikEep6U-00217-00050136-00050286 like this EgEaikEep6U-00218-00050287-00050599 just imagine how good your gardens and EgEaikEep6U-00219-00050600-00050902 parks can look with pavings man EgEaikEep6U-00220-00050903-00050974 i EgEaikEep6U-00221-00050975-00051174 i'm so looking forward for the EgEaikEep6U-00222-00051175-00051414 screenshots that you will send me EgEaikEep6U-00223-00051415-00051599 on discord EgEaikEep6U-00224-00051600-00051807 on the macos server that that will be EgEaikEep6U-00225-00051808-00052030 fantastic and again here you can see all EgEaikEep6U-00226-00052032-00052190 of the variations EgEaikEep6U-00227-00052191-00052407 again here we have the EgEaikEep6U-00228-00052408-00052487 uh EgEaikEep6U-00229-00052488-00052782 diorite yeah yeah diorite honeycomb EgEaikEep6U-00230-00052783-00053087 granite sensto and so on and so on and EgEaikEep6U-00231-00053088-00053254 yeah i guess when EgEaikEep6U-00232-00053255-00053623 1.19 will be out i will add a mud EgEaikEep6U-00233-00053624-00053959 stone brick variation of it as well so EgEaikEep6U-00234-00053960-00054350 yeah peachy will have a little job there EgEaikEep6U-00235-00054351-00054566 okay let's move 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EgEaikEep6U-00251-00058079-00058271 variations and they are again crafted in EgEaikEep6U-00252-00058272-00058415 the stone cutter EgEaikEep6U-00253-00058416-00058799 which is very easy to craft EgEaikEep6U-00254-00058800-00059015 here yeah here i made something like EgEaikEep6U-00255-00059016-00059238 this i don't know why and let's move to EgEaikEep6U-00256-00059239-00059471 the final my favorite ones the dumbbell EgEaikEep6U-00257-00059472-00059694 paving EgEaikEep6U-00258-00059695-00059847 and yeah EgEaikEep6U-00259-00059848-00060142 some of you can recognize this from EgEaikEep6U-00260-00060144-00060447 villages or sittings where the paving is EgEaikEep6U-00261-00060448-00060719 like this at least here we have it EgEaikEep6U-00262-00060720-00060966 in the city EgEaikEep6U-00263-00060967-00061206 so we've decided to add this as well and EgEaikEep6U-00264-00061207-00061438 yeah you can again EgEaikEep6U-00265-00061439-00061711 go for concrete EgEaikEep6U-00266-00061712-00061919 or even powder EgEaikEep6U-00267-00061920-00062166 just place it place it in that and you EgEaikEep6U-00268-00062167-00062366 can see that you have the gaps filled in EgEaikEep6U-00269-00062367-00062463 with it EgEaikEep6U-00270-00062464-00062615 and if you want EgEaikEep6U-00271-00062616-00062830 them to be darker you can just black EgEaikEep6U-00272-00062832-00063015 concrete or wool EgEaikEep6U-00273-00063016-00063279 i just picked wool i don't know why so EgEaikEep6U-00274-00063279-00063623 yeah you place it down and yeah see EgEaikEep6U-00275-00063624-00063830 it's nice and yeah they they can be EgEaikEep6U-00276-00063832-00064063 faced like this or that EgEaikEep6U-00277-00064064-00064271 and um yeah so EgEaikEep6U-00278-00064272-00064606 that's all for today so i hope no not EgEaikEep6U-00279-00064607-00064863 that we hope that you've enjoyed this EgEaikEep6U-00280-00064864-00065071 showcase for this mod and EgEaikEep6U-00281-00065072-00065271 we are ready for your suggestions and EgEaikEep6U-00282-00065272-00065494 ideas for this mod EgEaikEep6U-00283-00065495-00065694 we have so much stuff planned i just EgEaikEep6U-00284-00065695-00066023 want this exam to end and ah so so many EgEaikEep6U-00285-00066024-00066135 stuff EgEaikEep6U-00286-00066136-00066423 there will be a update for lights EgEaikEep6U-00287-00066424-00066638 with many new lights EgEaikEep6U-00288-00066639-00067023 after that i think we are planning EgEaikEep6U-00289-00067024-00067238 another new mode EgEaikEep6U-00290-00067239-00067575 then another new mod then we have EgEaikEep6U-00291-00067576-00067799 what do we have yeah a trapdoor update EgEaikEep6U-00292-00067800-00068038 will be come out yeah but EgEaikEep6U-00293-00068039-00068582 all before but after the 1. 1.19 porting EgEaikEep6U-00294-00068583-00068719 will be done yeah EgEaikEep6U-00295-00068720-00068999 so yeah i hope you enjoyed this video EgEaikEep6U-00296-00069000-00069111 and EgEaikEep6U-00298-00073104-00073312 you 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with tunisia EilYQ3Q4jiU-00006-00001903-00002207 libya niger mali EilYQ3Q4jiU-00007-00002208-00002583 mauritania western sahara morocco EilYQ3Q4jiU-00008-00002584-00002863 and the mediterranean sea algeria has a EilYQ3Q4jiU-00009-00002864-00003083 land area of 919 EilYQ3Q4jiU-00010-00003084-00003470 595 square miles and a population EilYQ3Q4jiU-00011-00003471-00003815 of about 44 million its capital EilYQ3Q4jiU-00012-00003815-00004047 algiers has a population of about 4 EilYQ3Q4jiU-00013-00004047-00004231 million EilYQ3Q4jiU-00014-00004232-00004431 the official languages are arabic and EilYQ3Q4jiU-00015-00004432-00004599 berber however EilYQ3Q4jiU-00016-00004600-00004831 french is also widely used and algeria EilYQ3Q4jiU-00017-00004832-00004991 is the second largest francophone EilYQ3Q4jiU-00018-00004992-00005111 country in the world EilYQ3Q4jiU-00019-00005112-00005438 in terms of speakers 99 EilYQ3Q4jiU-00020-00005439-00005686 of algeria's residents are arab berber 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EilYQ3Q4jiU-00036-00008847-00008999 desert EilYQ3Q4jiU-00037-00009000-00009295 algeria is a presidential republic the EilYQ3Q4jiU-00038-00009296-00009463 president is the head of state EilYQ3Q4jiU-00039-00009464-00009646 leading the council of ministers and the EilYQ3Q4jiU-00040-00009647-00009839 high security council EilYQ3Q4jiU-00041-00009840-00010039 the prime minister appointed by the EilYQ3Q4jiU-00042-00010040-00010295 president is the head of government EilYQ3Q4jiU-00043-00010296-00010527 algeria has a bicameral parliament for EilYQ3Q4jiU-00044-00010528-00010887 its legislative and judicial branches EilYQ3Q4jiU-00045-00010888-00011110 algeria's economy is dominated by its EilYQ3Q4jiU-00046-00011111-00011287 export trade in petroleum and natural EilYQ3Q4jiU-00047-00011288-00011374 gas EilYQ3Q4jiU-00048-00011375-00011559 it contributes to roughly one-third of EilYQ3Q4jiU-00049-00011560-00011742 the country's gross domestic product EilYQ3Q4jiU-00050-00011743-00011999 every year EilYQ3Q4jiU-00051-00012000-00012231 impressive landmarks include the EilYQ3Q4jiU-00052-00012232-00012487 monument of the martyr EilYQ3Q4jiU-00053-00012488-00012799 botanical garden hama EilYQ3Q4jiU-00054-00012800-00013135 basilic notre dame d'afrique EilYQ3Q4jiU-00055-00013136-00013479 and the great mosque of algiers EilYQ3Q4jiU-00056-00013480-00013694 the national animal is the fennec fox EilYQ3Q4jiU-00057-00013695-00013991 which is the world's smallest fox EilYQ3Q4jiU-00058-00013991-00014215 algeria is the largest country in africa EilYQ3Q4jiU-00059-00014216-00014527 and 10th largest in the world EilYQ3Q4jiU-00060-00014528-00014719 the sahara desert makes up more than EilYQ3Q4jiU-00061-00014719-00015135 four-fifths of the country's area EilYQ3Q4jiU-00062-00015136-00015335 thanks for watching like and comment EilYQ3Q4jiU-00063-00015336-00015503 below if you enjoyed today's video EilYQ3Q4jiU-00064-00015504-00015858 and subscribe for more 3-minute country EilYQ3Q4jiU-00065-00015859-00016483 [Music] EilYQ3Q4jiU-00066-00016484-00016784 profiles EicypYj5r1M-00000-00000000-00000526 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00001-00000527-00000719 ciao friends about the thimble hooks EicypYj5r1M-00002-00000720-00000911 thanks for stopping by today and i know EicypYj5r1M-00003-00000911-00001087 that everybody has been working on their EicypYj5r1M-00004-00001088-00001223 interlock EicypYj5r1M-00005-00001224-00001454 diligently but if you have been doing EicypYj5r1M-00006-00001455-00001734 the either my reversible which you just EicypYj5r1M-00007-00001735-00001967 saw probably yesterday EicypYj5r1M-00008-00001968-00002207 or the traditional EicypYj5r1M-00009-00002208-00002439 if you've been doing it horizontally EicypYj5r1M-00010-00002440-00002639 you have the little zigzags at the top EicypYj5r1M-00011-00002640-00002807 all the way around the edges EicypYj5r1M-00012-00002808-00002966 and you probably are saying i wish i EicypYj5r1M-00013-00002967-00003150 could fill those in i'm going to show EicypYj5r1M-00014-00003151-00003375 you how to fill in the triangles today EicypYj5r1M-00015-00003376-00003663 it is so simple it is so very simple so EicypYj5r1M-00016-00003664-00003983 don't be afraid at all this is amazingly EicypYj5r1M-00017-00003984-00004095 fast EicypYj5r1M-00018-00004096-00004311 even if you made a huge blanket won't EicypYj5r1M-00019-00004312-00004502 take much time at all so this is my EicypYj5r1M-00020-00004503-00004863 reversible i'd done all of these already EicypYj5r1M-00021-00004864-00005111 and then i added added a border but as EicypYj5r1M-00022-00005112-00005263 you can see these are all just half EicypYj5r1M-00023-00005264-00005415 these are all just half squares just EicypYj5r1M-00024-00005416-00005622 triangles filling in because it used to EicypYj5r1M-00025-00005623-00005815 look just like this so i'm going to show EicypYj5r1M-00026-00005816-00005975 you that right now and also when you EicypYj5r1M-00027-00005976-00006183 fill in these triangles EicypYj5r1M-00028-00006184-00006470 it helps with EicypYj5r1M-00029-00006472-00006703 this rolling EicypYj5r1M-00030-00006704-00006934 it'll make that basically go away the EicypYj5r1M-00031-00006936-00007167 bigger it is the less it will roll so EicypYj5r1M-00032-00007168-00007406 you just pick a place to start in any of EicypYj5r1M-00033-00007408-00007598 these v's EicypYj5r1M-00034-00007600-00007783 just like you're going to be EicypYj5r1M-00035-00007784-00007951 making another square EicypYj5r1M-00036-00007952-00008119 like you had a new row so i'm going to EicypYj5r1M-00037-00008120-00008495 go into this corner right here EicypYj5r1M-00038-00008496-00008839 use the same hook that you used to make EicypYj5r1M-00039-00008840-00009071 your product in the first place EicypYj5r1M-00040-00009072-00009863 and we want to pull up a loop EicypYj5r1M-00041-00009864-00010039 just like we did before make sure you EicypYj5r1M-00042-00010040-00010231 keep a nice long tail there so that you EicypYj5r1M-00043-00010232-00010455 don't accidentally pull your stitches EicypYj5r1M-00044-00010456-00010695 out and we want to do that again all the EicypYj5r1M-00045-00010696-00010983 way down EicypYj5r1M-00046-00010984-00011110 we're pulling up EicypYj5r1M-00047-00011111-00011231 seven loops EicypYj5r1M-00048-00011232-00011535 just like we did before EicypYj5r1M-00049-00011536-00011695 just like you did with all those other EicypYj5r1M-00050-00011696-00011878 squares so this should be a no-brainer EicypYj5r1M-00051-00011879-00012335 this will be so simple EicypYj5r1M-00052-00012336-00012414 pull EicypYj5r1M-00053-00012415-00012606 up EicypYj5r1M-00054-00012607-00012838 seven loops EicypYj5r1M-00055-00012839-00013007 and that should be my number seven one EicypYj5r1M-00056-00013008-00013238 two three four five six seven EicypYj5r1M-00057-00013238-00013407 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00058-00013408-00013607 and we want to yarn over pull through EicypYj5r1M-00059-00013608-00013711 two EicypYj5r1M-00060-00013712-00013951 yarn over pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00061-00013952-00014207 yarn over pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00062-00014208-00014455 yarn over pull through two but now when EicypYj5r1M-00063-00014456-00014599 we have three EicypYj5r1M-00064-00014600-00014799 left on our hook instead of our typical EicypYj5r1M-00065-00014800-00015038 two when we have three yarn over pull EicypYj5r1M-00066-00015040-00015543 through everything EicypYj5r1M-00067-00015544-00015735 and now we have four vertical bars to EicypYj5r1M-00068-00015736-00015830 work EicypYj5r1M-00069-00015831-00016047 so go underneath EicypYj5r1M-00070-00016047-00016182 one EicypYj5r1M-00071-00016183-00016313 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00072-00016315-00016494 [Applause] EicypYj5r1M-00073-00016495-00016719 two EicypYj5r1M-00074-00016720-00016911 three EicypYj5r1M-00075-00016912-00017143 and four vertical bars because that EicypYj5r1M-00076-00017144-00017471 other one we just did a reduce EicypYj5r1M-00077-00017472-00017647 so then we use our next stitch that EicypYj5r1M-00078-00017648-00017814 hasn't been worked and pull up a loop EicypYj5r1M-00079-00017815-00018014 now we have six loops on our hook EicypYj5r1M-00080-00018015-00018181 because we did a reduction EicypYj5r1M-00081-00018182-00018327 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00082-00018328-00018511 pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00083-00018512-00018694 pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00084-00018695-00018855 pull through two and when you get to EicypYj5r1M-00085-00018856-00019047 three loops on your hook it's a yarn EicypYj5r1M-00086-00019048-00019222 over and pull through everything EicypYj5r1M-00087-00019223-00019486 it told you this was easy EicypYj5r1M-00088-00019487-00019694 it's not scary or daunting or anything EicypYj5r1M-00089-00019695-00019935 it's amazingly simple EicypYj5r1M-00090-00019936-00020103 i hope you're enjoying my video and my EicypYj5r1M-00091-00020104-00020303 channel if so please click that button EicypYj5r1M-00092-00020304-00020543 to subscribe thanks EicypYj5r1M-00093-00020544-00020735 so now we have three vertical bars to EicypYj5r1M-00094-00020736-00020943 work with EicypYj5r1M-00095-00020944-00021263 one EicypYj5r1M-00096-00021264-00021486 two EicypYj5r1M-00097-00021487-00021694 and three EicypYj5r1M-00098-00021695-00021975 and then we have to go over and find one EicypYj5r1M-00099-00021976-00022247 more stitch i have five loops on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00100-00022248-00022471 yarn over pull through two yarn over EicypYj5r1M-00101-00022472-00022727 pull through two three loops on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00102-00022728-00022967 so we will yarn over EicypYj5r1M-00103-00022968-00023214 and pull through everything EicypYj5r1M-00104-00023215-00023719 now we have two vertical bars one EicypYj5r1M-00105-00023720-00023919 two EicypYj5r1M-00106-00023920-00024222 and go and catch our next stitch EicypYj5r1M-00107-00024223-00024430 three so i have four loops on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00108-00024431-00024647 yarn over pull through two three loops EicypYj5r1M-00109-00024648-00024799 on my hook yarn over pull through EicypYj5r1M-00110-00024800-00025007 everything EicypYj5r1M-00111-00025008-00025191 please remember that it really helps my EicypYj5r1M-00112-00025192-00025335 channel when you watch the video all the EicypYj5r1M-00113-00025336-00025471 way to the end EicypYj5r1M-00114-00025472-00025694 now we have one vertical bar as all the EicypYj5r1M-00115-00025695-00025878 other ones have been reduced basically EicypYj5r1M-00116-00025879-00026150 are gone so we go under that EicypYj5r1M-00117-00026151-00026270 and the next one EicypYj5r1M-00118-00026270-00026535 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00119-00026536-00026767 three loops on our hook EicypYj5r1M-00120-00026768-00027199 pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00121-00027200-00027399 now we have a triangle so we want to try EicypYj5r1M-00122-00027400-00027599 that again EicypYj5r1M-00123-00027600-00027767 keep going until you have seven loops on EicypYj5r1M-00124-00027768-00027918 your EicypYj5r1M-00125-00027919-00028223 hook EicypYj5r1M-00126-00028224-00028358 and then we're just going to reduce them EicypYj5r1M-00127-00028360-00028711 down EicypYj5r1M-00128-00028712-00028951 this is so easy EicypYj5r1M-00129-00028952-00029158 seven loops on my hook yarn over and EicypYj5r1M-00130-00029160-00029287 pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00131-00029288-00029462 until you have three loops left on your EicypYj5r1M-00132-00029463-00029758 hook EicypYj5r1M-00133-00029760-00030039 yarn over pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00134-00030039-00030327 so this first vertical bar is gone now EicypYj5r1M-00135-00030327-00030824 so now we just work under these four EicypYj5r1M-00136-00030825-00031095 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00137-00031095-00031262 and our next stitch so now we have six EicypYj5r1M-00138-00031263-00031423 loops on our hook because we've reduced EicypYj5r1M-00139-00031424-00031670 one down yarn over pull through two and EicypYj5r1M-00140-00031672-00031814 through two until you have three loops EicypYj5r1M-00141-00031816-00031990 on your hook yarn over and pull through EicypYj5r1M-00142-00031991-00032239 all three EicypYj5r1M-00143-00032239-00032543 and repeat EicypYj5r1M-00144-00032544-00033239 every row will get one less stitch EicypYj5r1M-00145-00033240-00033431 so there's our last vertical bar plus we EicypYj5r1M-00146-00033432-00033583 want to jump over and get one through EicypYj5r1M-00147-00033584-00033695 this stitch EicypYj5r1M-00148-00033696-00033918 now i have five yarn over pull through EicypYj5r1M-00149-00033919-00034007 two EicypYj5r1M-00150-00034008-00034215 until i have three left on my hook yarn EicypYj5r1M-00151-00034216-00034583 over pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00152-00034584-00034799 see this is just as easy as the squares EicypYj5r1M-00153-00034800-00035083 there's nothing scary about this at EicypYj5r1M-00154-00035084-00035327 all pull through two have three loops on EicypYj5r1M-00155-00035328-00035583 my hook yarn over pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00156-00035584-00036030 one vertical bar left all by itself EicypYj5r1M-00157-00036031-00036199 three loops on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00158-00036200-00036446 yarn over and pull through all three and EicypYj5r1M-00159-00036447-00036702 then to finish our triangle go into the EicypYj5r1M-00160-00036703-00036887 next stitch EicypYj5r1M-00161-00036888-00037190 and EicypYj5r1M-00162-00037191-00037430 then i made too tight up good and slip EicypYj5r1M-00163-00037431-00037702 stitch there's our beautiful triangle EicypYj5r1M-00164-00037703-00038135 i'm going to do one more EicypYj5r1M-00165-00038136-00038287 one EicypYj5r1M-00166-00038288-00038455 two EicypYj5r1M-00167-00038456-00038711 three EicypYj5r1M-00168-00038712-00038951 four EicypYj5r1M-00169-00038952-00039111 five EicypYj5r1M-00170-00039112-00039367 and six and that makes seven loops on my EicypYj5r1M-00171-00039368-00039655 hook yarn over pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00172-00039656-00039862 until you have three left and do this EicypYj5r1M-00173-00039863-00040039 one so i can show you what i did on the EicypYj5r1M-00174-00040040-00040287 edges EicypYj5r1M-00175-00040288-00040487 yarn over pull through all three but i EicypYj5r1M-00176-00040488-00040743 did on the edge of my blanket over here EicypYj5r1M-00177-00040744-00041207 that's the way i finished it off EicypYj5r1M-00178-00041208-00041415 two EicypYj5r1M-00179-00041416-00042327 three EicypYj5r1M-00180-00042328-00042639 four EicypYj5r1M-00181-00042640-00042935 and our other stitch so we have EicypYj5r1M-00182-00042936-00043102 six loops on our hook yarn over pull EicypYj5r1M-00183-00043103-00043246 through two EicypYj5r1M-00184-00043247-00043407 until you have three loops left on your EicypYj5r1M-00185-00043408-00043751 hook yarn over pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00186-00043752-00043951 and next EicypYj5r1M-00187-00043952-00044174 one two EicypYj5r1M-00188-00044175-00044471 three EicypYj5r1M-00189-00044472-00044639 plus EicypYj5r1M-00190-00044640-00044790 a stitch over there EicypYj5r1M-00191-00044791-00045079 yarn over pull through two i have three EicypYj5r1M-00192-00045080-00045262 loops left on my hook yarn over pull EicypYj5r1M-00193-00045263-00045396 through all three EicypYj5r1M-00194-00045397-00045862 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00195-00045863-00046045 and go to our find our next stitch EicypYj5r1M-00196-00046046-00046167 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00197-00046168-00046351 yarn over pull through two three loops EicypYj5r1M-00198-00046352-00046543 left on my hook yarn over pull through EicypYj5r1M-00199-00046544-00046679 everything EicypYj5r1M-00200-00046680-00047071 one more vertical bar EicypYj5r1M-00201-00047072-00047295 there's three loops on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00202-00047296-00047455 yarn over pull through everything and EicypYj5r1M-00203-00047456-00047758 then go to this next stitch and do a EicypYj5r1M-00204-00047759-00047935 slip stitch EicypYj5r1M-00205-00047936-00048327 oh i made that one tight too EicypYj5r1M-00206-00048328-00048735 and slip stitch EicypYj5r1M-00207-00048736-00048839 hooray EicypYj5r1M-00208-00048840-00049127 and now when i get to the corner EicypYj5r1M-00209-00049128-00049295 well it's not really a corner i guess EicypYj5r1M-00210-00049296-00049502 this would be the corner EicypYj5r1M-00211-00049503-00049815 i just either do a slip stitch EicypYj5r1M-00212-00049816-00050023 all the way across EicypYj5r1M-00213-00050024-00050223 or a single crochet if you want to keep EicypYj5r1M-00214-00050224-00050326 with the EicypYj5r1M-00215-00050327-00050535 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00216-00050536-00050718 the way that uh EicypYj5r1M-00217-00050719-00050967 so your stitches show nice nicely EicypYj5r1M-00218-00050968-00051143 however you want your stitches to show EicypYj5r1M-00219-00051144-00051302 you can do a slip stitch or a single EicypYj5r1M-00220-00051303-00051585 crochet EicypYj5r1M-00221-00051586-00051726 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00222-00051727-00051870 and then there's this little one right EicypYj5r1M-00223-00051871-00052638 here i gotta get that one too EicypYj5r1M-00224-00052639-00052807 and now we're back to making another EicypYj5r1M-00225-00052808-00053179 corner EicypYj5r1M-00226-00053180-00053921 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00227-00053922-00054634 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00228-00054635-00054935 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00229-00054936-00055150 and there's the seven loops on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00230-00055151-00055399 yarn over pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00231-00055400-00055766 until you have three left EicypYj5r1M-00232-00055767-00056142 and pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00233-00056144-00056350 finish this one quickly so i can show EicypYj5r1M-00234-00056351-00056726 you how my corner turned out EicypYj5r1M-00235-00056727-00057228 oops EicypYj5r1M-00236-00057229-00057519 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00237-00057520-00057663 pull through two EicypYj5r1M-00238-00057664-00057887 two and two i have three loops on my EicypYj5r1M-00239-00057888-00058854 hook yarn over pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00240-00058855-00059142 for the next stitch over on our square EicypYj5r1M-00241-00059144-00059319 remember pull through two pull through EicypYj5r1M-00242-00059320-00059511 two three on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00243-00059512-00060007 pull through all three EicypYj5r1M-00244-00060008-00060463 two vertical bars left EicypYj5r1M-00245-00060464-00060566 plus EicypYj5r1M-00246-00060567-00060782 a stitch over here EicypYj5r1M-00247-00060783-00060900 gives us four EicypYj5r1M-00248-00060901-00061015 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00249-00061016-00061191 yarn over pull through two three loops EicypYj5r1M-00250-00061191-00061269 on my hook EicypYj5r1M-00251-00061270-00061494 [Music] EicypYj5r1M-00252-00061495-00061926 one vertical bar left EicypYj5r1M-00253-00061927-00062119 three loops on my hook right off the bat EicypYj5r1M-00254-00062120-00062335 so yarn over pull through all three and EicypYj5r1M-00255-00062336-00062735 then go to our last stitch right here EicypYj5r1M-00256-00062736-00063006 for a slip stitch EicypYj5r1M-00257-00063007-00063350 and you can see now EicypYj5r1M-00258-00063351-00063623 we made this into EicypYj5r1M-00259-00063624-00063935 more of a square EicypYj5r1M-00260-00063936-00064166 stand my corners here i just did a EicypYj5r1M-00261-00064167-00064415 single crochet or a slip stitch because EicypYj5r1M-00262-00064416-00064694 i was going to add a border anyway EicypYj5r1M-00263-00064695-00064919 so it has a little bit of a rounded edge EicypYj5r1M-00264-00064920-00065103 not quite as pointy EicypYj5r1M-00265-00065104-00065335 it's very rounded and it's very EicypYj5r1M-00266-00065336-00065663 very delicate and very very very pretty EicypYj5r1M-00267-00065664-00065831 so that's what it would look like so EicypYj5r1M-00268-00065832-00065967 then you just do that all the way around EicypYj5r1M-00269-00065968-00066143 do it in any color you want do it in EicypYj5r1M-00270-00066144-00066294 something that completely doesn't match EicypYj5r1M-00271-00066295-00066382 at all EicypYj5r1M-00272-00066383-00066575 or just to make a nice white border all EicypYj5r1M-00273-00066576-00066743 the way around something EicypYj5r1M-00274-00066744-00066863 so you know it EicypYj5r1M-00275-00066864-00067111 wasn't that simple so now you can make EicypYj5r1M-00276-00067112-00067326 the horizontal traditional or the EicypYj5r1M-00277-00067327-00067582 horizontal reversible EicypYj5r1M-00278-00067583-00067863 into a big square or a big rectangle EicypYj5r1M-00279-00067864-00068023 instead of having EicypYj5r1M-00280-00068024-00068223 all of these little edges EicypYj5r1M-00281-00068224-00068494 that curl up a little bit EicypYj5r1M-00282-00068495-00068687 you'll end up flattening it out very EicypYj5r1M-00283-00068688-00068982 nicely with beautiful little triangles EicypYj5r1M-00284-00068983-00069215 all ready and set up and waiting to go EicypYj5r1M-00285-00069216-00069438 for you to add a border EicypYj5r1M-00286-00069439-00069663 so told you it would be easy thanks for EicypYj5r1M-00287-00069664-00069847 stopping by thank you for supporting my EicypYj5r1M-00288-00069848-00070038 small business please subscribe to EicypYj5r1M-00289-00070039-00070206 thimblehooks and stop back soon my EicypYj5r1M-00290-00070207-00070399 calendar is full there's some great EicypYj5r1M-00291-00070400-00070864 stuff coming up thanks bye EicypYj5r1M-00292-00070865-00071478 [Music] EjzbqBQIHJ4-00000-00002002-00002231 I'd like to welcome you all to this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00001-00002232-00002452 conversation session on grief loss and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00002-00002453-00002663 mental health and to respectfully EjzbqBQIHJ4-00003-00002664-00002806 acknowledge the traditional owners and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00004-00002807-00003038 custodians of the land both here and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00005-00003039-00003215 wherever this session is being viewed EjzbqBQIHJ4-00006-00003215-00003458 and pay my respects to elders both past EjzbqBQIHJ4-00007-00003459-00003728 and present my name is Monica Moore and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00008-00003729-00003935 I'm a GP working exclusively in mental EjzbqBQIHJ4-00009-00003936-00004136 health and with me is Mental Health EjzbqBQIHJ4-00010-00004137-00004346 social worker Julianne white welcome EjzbqBQIHJ4-00011-00004347-00004559 Jillian Oh Thank You Monica thank you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00012-00004560-00004685 for being here today it's really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00013-00004686-00004952 exciting it is it is exciting yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-00014-00004953-00005141 so Julianne there's a lot to discuss in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00015-00005142-00005411 grief and Lawson and mental health okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-00016-00005412-00005575 where would you start EjzbqBQIHJ4-00017-00005576-00005884 look I always try to side you know it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00018-00005885-00006300 using I have those lovely curious EjzbqBQIHJ4-00019-00006301-00006574 reflecting because instead of you know I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00020-00006575-00006731 often find people come in so I say so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00021-00006731-00006916 what's brought you here today well I've EjzbqBQIHJ4-00022-00006917-00007030 got aa look you know I've got this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00023-00007031-00007285 depressed or this people often don't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00024-00007286-00007456 come in and describe a situation they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00025-00007458-00007559 sort of come in depressed I've been EjzbqBQIHJ4-00026-00007559-00007738 really anxious I haven't been sleeping EjzbqBQIHJ4-00027-00007739-00007981 well yeah you know just things aren't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00028-00007983-00008234 you they'll describe sometimes a very EjzbqBQIHJ4-00029-00008235-00008549 complex tricky lots of information EjzbqBQIHJ4-00030-00008550-00008690 you've really got to be a bit of a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00031-00008691-00008947 detective don't you and try to listen to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00032-00008948-00009674 some key pointers or just some things EjzbqBQIHJ4-00033-00009675-00009946 that they might bring up talking to like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00034-00009947-00010133 they'll say when you got that sounds EjzbqBQIHJ4-00035-00010134-00010277 interesting to me I'd like to explore EjzbqBQIHJ4-00036-00010278-00010526 that more mm-hmm and and it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00037-00010527-00010733 interesting that you say that you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00038-00010734-00010904 like one of the things you know if it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00039-00010905-00011102 starting to talk about grief and mental EjzbqBQIHJ4-00040-00011103-00011458 health and loss is that it's not I mean EjzbqBQIHJ4-00041-00011459-00011666 I don't know about you but certainly in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00042-00011667-00011863 general practice it's often really muddy EjzbqBQIHJ4-00043-00011864-00012072 and not clear why someone's coming in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00044-00012073-00012266 someone might come in and they might EjzbqBQIHJ4-00045-00012267-00012583 come in with a really angry okay and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00046-00012584-00012763 they're really angry for example because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00047-00012764-00012971 of the way the relative was treated when EjzbqBQIHJ4-00048-00012972-00013175 they died and so you know what they had EjzbqBQIHJ4-00049-00013176-00013358 to do is they you know we have to listen EjzbqBQIHJ4-00050-00013359-00013646 to that story first and that's when you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00051-00013647-00013822 find out that someone you know a really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00052-00013823-00014011 important person in their life has EjzbqBQIHJ4-00053-00014012-00014263 passed away and how awful it is so you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00054-00014265-00014455 know even just listening and then I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00055-00014456-00014644 think that would listen I mean in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00056-00014645-00014761 general practice we've only got 15 EjzbqBQIHJ4-00057-00014762-00015041 minutes and sometimes that extends EjzbqBQIHJ4-00058-00015041-00015230 obviously but it's it's difficult to do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00059-00015231-00015366 and so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00060-00015368-00015583 but if we can actually listen to someone EjzbqBQIHJ4-00061-00015584-00015802 and really allow them that space it EjzbqBQIHJ4-00062-00015803-00016111 helps them to to calm down and then they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00063-00016112-00016258 can think more clearly that's right EjzbqBQIHJ4-00064-00016259-00016450 absolutely and and then they can tell EjzbqBQIHJ4-00065-00016451-00016732 you know what's happening for them and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00066-00016733-00016918 think you know how do you sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00067-00016919-00017158 determine what are the things that that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00068-00017159-00017407 are going on because it's often not just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00069-00017408-00017575 the death isn't it I mean there's all EjzbqBQIHJ4-00070-00017576-00017785 sorts of other sort of griefs and losses EjzbqBQIHJ4-00071-00017786-00017998 so what are the things that you know I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00072-00017999-00018148 was reading your presentation there's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00073-00018149-00018358 lots and lots of different types of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00074-00018359-00018523 grief and loss I know it's really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00075-00018524-00018649 interesting isn't it when you actually EjzbqBQIHJ4-00076-00018650-00018838 and you can get caught up in the whole EjzbqBQIHJ4-00077-00018839-00019168 is it this or is it that because but it EjzbqBQIHJ4-00078-00019169-00019417 is one victims yeah so what's lovely is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00079-00019418-00019561 that we don't actually have to see grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00080-00019562-00019762 who's conceptualise around deaths mm-hmm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00081-00019763-00019972 I think if we keep if we we just have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00082-00019973-00020230 that very narrow view of grief I've just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00083-00020231-00020422 been associated with the loss with the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00084-00020423-00020574 death of a person then we're really not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00085-00020575-00020893 we're not seeing and acknowledging for EjzbqBQIHJ4-00086-00020894-00021112 people that for a lot of things that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00087-00021113-00021391 happen in life we do feel sad we have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00088-00021392-00021562 lowered mood or we're very anxious and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00089-00021563-00021766 they're very very normal reactions to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00090-00021767-00021946 coping with adjustment or coping with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00091-00021947-00022186 change so a lot of people can have you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00092-00022187-00022339 know this is where we do that whole EjzbqBQIHJ4-00093-00022340-00022525 looking at the different types of grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00094-00022526-00022765 like ambiguous loss disenfranchised EjzbqBQIHJ4-00095-00022766-00022993 grief complicated grief only bad EjzbqBQIHJ4-00096-00022994-00023218 ambiguous loss so ambiguous losses is a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00097-00023219-00023382 really interesting one and I think it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00098-00023383-00023632 really lovely for us as clinicians to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00099-00023633-00023812 help someone to see that this is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00100-00023813-00024055 something that's shifted for someone so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00101-00024056-00024274 the person hasn't died but something has EjzbqBQIHJ4-00102-00024275-00024444 changed so we often think in mental EjzbqBQIHJ4-00103-00024445-00024667 health so someone might have a psychosis EjzbqBQIHJ4-00104-00024668-00025000 or a changed personality or they've EjzbqBQIHJ4-00105-00025001-00025267 become extremely agitated or this being EjzbqBQIHJ4-00106-00025268-00025504 under mange sure yep dementia EjzbqBQIHJ4-00107-00025505-00025647 particularly some of the Loess Madhi EjzbqBQIHJ4-00108-00025648-00025831 dimensions where there is actually some EjzbqBQIHJ4-00109-00025832-00026139 frontal lobe changes they might have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00110-00026141-00026470 been a very calm normal normal person EjzbqBQIHJ4-00111-00026470-00026652 before and have whatever normal is and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00112-00026654-00026893 then have had some huge personality turn EjzbqBQIHJ4-00113-00026894-00027124 a lot of anger or you know sort of some EjzbqBQIHJ4-00114-00027125-00027358 shifting between you know what if EjzbqBQIHJ4-00115-00027358-00027495 they're normal for the person that they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00116-00027497-00027676 knew this is the person they've changed EjzbqBQIHJ4-00117-00027677-00027883 and that often is really missed so we EjzbqBQIHJ4-00118-00027883-00028054 can actually call that an ambiguous loss EjzbqBQIHJ4-00119-00028055-00028312 it is that a loss is it adjustment this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00120-00028313-00028507 is where perhaps as clinicians we get a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00121-00028508-00028586 bit stuck in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00122-00028587-00028751 you know it looks to me like anxiousness EjzbqBQIHJ4-00123-00028752-00029012 or we say they're stressed or we don't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00124-00029013-00029180 quite know what's wrong with the person EjzbqBQIHJ4-00125-00029181-00029373 or we just go to the medical diagnosis EjzbqBQIHJ4-00126-00029374-00029687 and ignore the psychological impact for EjzbqBQIHJ4-00127-00029688-00029810 people because as you would know the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00128-00029811-00030017 anger and the frustration that people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00129-00030018-00030360 present is just a behavior when we can't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00130-00030361-00030605 communicate what's really going on so if EjzbqBQIHJ4-00131-00030606-00030767 someone said look I'm grieving the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00132-00030768-00030989 person I was that's an ambiguous like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00133-00030990-00031232 it's a grief or is it depression or what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00134-00031233-00031487 is it so people really don't feel that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00135-00031488-00031712 they can say look it's just grief I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00136-00031713-00031923 grieving I'm grieving for the person I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00137-00031924-00032165 was what we in some of the literature I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00138-00032166-00032348 notice too that when someone's begged I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00139-00032349-00032529 know diagnosed particularly with bipolar EjzbqBQIHJ4-00140-00032530-00032744 for example in previously they just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00141-00032745-00032904 thought I just having mood changes lives EjzbqBQIHJ4-00142-00032905-00033077 just a bit tricky I'm a bit up and down EjzbqBQIHJ4-00143-00033078-00033410 but this is me and this is Who I am I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00144-00033411-00033746 mean you get a diagnosis like oh okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-00145-00033747-00033911 so and sometimes they have a reaction EjzbqBQIHJ4-00146-00033912-00034166 which could be perhaps a bit of anger or EjzbqBQIHJ4-00147-00034167-00034574 frustration or confusion it's just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00148-00034575-00034721 interesting you say that about sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00149-00034722-00034967 the diagnosis because as a GP and JP's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00150-00034968-00035225 in the audience will know that you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00151-00035226-00035423 when you diagnose someone with an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00152-00035424-00035612 illness especially chronic illness like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00153-00035613-00035918 diabetes or parents when their children EjzbqBQIHJ4-00154-00035919-00036198 are diagnosed with asthma and just how EjzbqBQIHJ4-00155-00036199-00036605 taken aback they are and and there's you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00156-00036606-00036836 know there's all that sort of idea of a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00157-00036837-00037061 loss of health and the fact that they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00158-00037062-00037217 are no longer the person that they were EjzbqBQIHJ4-00159-00037218-00037450 but there's also fear for the future EjzbqBQIHJ4-00160-00037451-00037700 this is sort of a you know it EjzbqBQIHJ4-00161-00037701-00037913 destabilizes the future they don't know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00162-00037914-00038243 what it's going to be like and and that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00163-00038244-00038504 in itself is a process that you know as EjzbqBQIHJ4-00164-00038505-00038711 clinicians as GPS one of the things EjzbqBQIHJ4-00165-00038712-00038973 about being part of that family sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00166-00038974-00039137 network you know supporting someone EjzbqBQIHJ4-00167-00039138-00039281 through the process and one of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00168-00039282-00039521 lovely things about being a GP is that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00169-00039522-00039719 you have that sure the consultations EjzbqBQIHJ4-00170-00039720-00039896 might be short your GP is in the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00171-00039897-00040037 audience or no sometimes they're a bit EjzbqBQIHJ4-00172-00040038-00040205 longer but but at least you get that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00173-00040206-00040349 chance to sort of meet people on a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00174-00040350-00040558 regular basis and provide that support EjzbqBQIHJ4-00175-00040559-00040808 and the information that they need to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00176-00040809-00041069 have you know to make the referral EjzbqBQIHJ4-00177-00041070-00041300 pathways that that actually going to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00178-00041301-00041492 helpful in their journey and but it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00179-00041493-00041702 more about sort of being that person EjzbqBQIHJ4-00180-00041703-00041892 that they come to that they can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00181-00041893-00042156 listen that kids listen to and then they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00182-00042157-00042351 can actually negotiate what they want to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00183-00042352-00042561 do with their with the process and it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00184-00042562-00042876 it's sometime it's not easy to do but I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00185-00042877-00043037 think it's a beautiful position to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00186-00043038-00043236 and you know from both of us from the GP EjzbqBQIHJ4-00187-00043237-00043401 but also at Mental Health social work EjzbqBQIHJ4-00188-00043402-00043611 you actually be listening and to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00189-00043612-00043830 curious about that person and to offer EjzbqBQIHJ4-00190-00043831-00044187 some different insights into like they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00191-00044188-00044358 might be just seeing your the angle or EjzbqBQIHJ4-00192-00044359-00044490 the frustrations am I just an angry EjzbqBQIHJ4-00193-00044491-00044805 person yeah nobody's an angry person but EjzbqBQIHJ4-00194-00044806-00045009 we have angry reactions to event that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00195-00045010-00045165 Richard stresses so I think even EjzbqBQIHJ4-00196-00045166-00045354 shifting that so that we take the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00197-00045355-00045543 problem from the person and we can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00198-00045544-00045677 actually just see the person just say EjzbqBQIHJ4-00199-00045678-00045840 look it sounds to me this must be really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00200-00045841-00046052 hard for you you know would I be right EjzbqBQIHJ4-00201-00046053-00046251 that paraphrasing and summarizing mmm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00202-00046252-00046433 and then checking in with people is so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00203-00046434-00046583 critical isn't it regardless of whether EjzbqBQIHJ4-00204-00046584-00046718 we're doing grief and loss or we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00205-00046719-00046923 doing some other you know health issues EjzbqBQIHJ4-00206-00046924-00047193 or more serious mental health it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00207-00047194-00047349 interesting what you say about that sort EjzbqBQIHJ4-00208-00047350-00047523 of validation because there's a there's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00209-00047524-00047781 a great book that I recommend two or EjzbqBQIHJ4-00210-00047782-00048111 door gp's of everyone really called the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00211-00048112-00048306 15 minute hour by Stuart and Lieberman EjzbqBQIHJ4-00212-00048307-00048702 and they talk about a technique of you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00213-00048703-00048942 know having a consultation where you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00214-00048943-00049305 bathe someone and essentially the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00215-00049306-00049707 letters in bathe stand for asking them EjzbqBQIHJ4-00216-00049708-00049839 what's concerning them you know what's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00217-00049840-00050055 bothering them in other words what you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00218-00050056-00050193 know how can I help you today what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00219-00050194-00050355 concerns are you bringing today and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00220-00050356-00050583 as for effect and how do you feel about EjzbqBQIHJ4-00221-00050584-00050898 that and then you know validating that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00222-00050899-00051096 emotion it might be anger or it might be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00223-00051097-00051426 fear it might be sadness whatever it is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00224-00051427-00051549 that that might be and sometimes you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00225-00051550-00051752 have to guess a bit and what it is and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00226-00051753-00051902 ask them you know is that what you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00227-00051903-00052161 feeling and T is for trouble as in what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00228-00052162-00052421 troubles are most about it because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00229-00052422-00052619 sometimes you know you might have an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00230-00052620-00052860 idea in your head about oh well this is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00231-00052861-00053136 the issue I mean I you know we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00232-00053137-00053255 talking about that sort of ambiguous EjzbqBQIHJ4-00233-00053257-00053562 loss I mean I I remember a patient who EjzbqBQIHJ4-00234-00053563-00053994 came in and and she you know burst into EjzbqBQIHJ4-00235-00053995-00054194 tears during a pap smear and sitting EjzbqBQIHJ4-00236-00054195-00054384 down talking about it and it was because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00237-00054385-00054641 her husband had left her and so my my EjzbqBQIHJ4-00238-00054642-00055149 thought was as a GP oh you know maybe EjzbqBQIHJ4-00239-00055150-00055279 that the perhaps me of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00240-00055280-00055429 on tears because she's worried about his EjzbqBQIHJ4-00241-00055430-00055658 CDs you know like maybe that's what's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00242-00055659-00055796 going on you know that's where my JP EjzbqBQIHJ4-00243-00055797-00055976 brain went but when I asked her what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00244-00055977-00056230 troubled her most about it yeah it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00245-00056232-00056551 actually that it was her best friend EjzbqBQIHJ4-00246-00056552-00056879 that he'd gone off with and that's what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00247-00056879-00057098 distressed her most about it and so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00248-00057099-00057371 that's the tee further in bathes and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00249-00057372-00057554 then H is for handling how are you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00250-00057554-00057632 handling that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00251-00057633-00057832 and so I happen to remember that and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00252-00057833-00058145 said so how are you handling it and she EjzbqBQIHJ4-00253-00058146-00058388 stood up proudly and she said I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00254-00058389-00058666 handling it really well I frozen the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00255-00058667-00058919 bank accounts everything is good I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00256-00058920-00059135 gonna get through this I've got really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00257-00059136-00059465 supportive friends and family and so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00258-00059466-00059678 just you know the ears for empathise are EjzbqBQIHJ4-00259-00059679-00059861 saying it's a really difficult situation EjzbqBQIHJ4-00260-00059862-00060149 but I can understand you know you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00261-00060150-00060355 handling it really well is all these EjzbqBQIHJ4-00262-00060357-00060557 emotions coming up and it's anything I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00263-00060558-00060788 can do to help so it just also shortens EjzbqBQIHJ4-00264-00060789-00060979 the consultation when you target it like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00265-00060980-00061169 that and I think it works really well EjzbqBQIHJ4-00266-00061170-00061328 for these situations where people have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00267-00061329-00061673 high emotions but you know as you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00268-00061674-00061844 talking there are so many ways we can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00269-00061845-00062191 grieve losses and and to be able to just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00270-00062192-00062435 keep the consultation short so you can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00271-00062436-00062561 target on what's important for that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00272-00062562-00062791 person absolutely yeah and I think you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00273-00062792-00062866 know when were talking about the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00274-00062867-00063026 different types of grief to when we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00275-00063027-00063241 seeing a single event like that that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00276-00063242-00063386 could be for a lot of people feeling at EjzbqBQIHJ4-00277-00063387-00063545 the time quite traumatic mmm so I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00278-00063546-00063728 actually have a trauma reaction yes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00279-00063729-00064080 which might be outside of there since EjzbqBQIHJ4-00280-00064082-00064316 you know how they manage things that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00281-00064316-00064520 might be of be a real emotional or a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00282-00064521-00064700 huge you know sort of stress reaction in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00283-00064701-00064844 their brains you know you were talking EjzbqBQIHJ4-00284-00064845-00065032 before about the dance seagulls model of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00285-00065033-00065167 the brain I think this might be really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00286-00065169-00065402 good too because if someone has a big EjzbqBQIHJ4-00287-00065403-00065606 event there's a traumatic event and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00288-00065607-00065819 they go into that whole front and flight EjzbqBQIHJ4-00289-00065820-00066182 response tuna yeah we were talking about EjzbqBQIHJ4-00290-00066183-00066341 that you know that Dan Siegel who's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00291-00066342-00066607 psychiatrist you know talks about the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00292-00066608-00066905 fact that you know if if this is it me EjzbqBQIHJ4-00293-00066906-00067091 you know then then we've got that's my EjzbqBQIHJ4-00294-00067092-00067322 spinal cord and that's my brainstem you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00295-00067323-00067559 know sort of this is me sideways and my EjzbqBQIHJ4-00296-00067560-00067760 thumb is my limbic system and so that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00297-00067761-00067979 it's there and then my cortex wraps EjzbqBQIHJ4-00298-00067980-00068141 around my limbic system so then I've got EjzbqBQIHJ4-00299-00068142-00068372 the brainstem that controls heart rate EjzbqBQIHJ4-00300-00068373-00068586 and blood pressure respiration EjzbqBQIHJ4-00301-00068587-00068760 and my limbic system is all about my EjzbqBQIHJ4-00302-00068761-00069015 emotions and my fight-or-flight response EjzbqBQIHJ4-00303-00069016-00069279 or Gary's response and then my cortex is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00304-00069280-00069518 all about creativity and problem-solving EjzbqBQIHJ4-00305-00069519-00069816 and memories and connection and and all EjzbqBQIHJ4-00306-00069817-00070098 that kind of stuff and so if I am in a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00307-00070099-00070307 highly aroused State if I'm either EjzbqBQIHJ4-00308-00070308-00070521 scared or if I'm really angry about EjzbqBQIHJ4-00309-00070522-00070785 something or extremely distressed then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00310-00070786-00071001 Dan Siegel has that as the hand model EjzbqBQIHJ4-00311-00071002-00071259 the cortex is not engaged and that's why EjzbqBQIHJ4-00312-00071260-00071403 when someone gets a shock that often EjzbqBQIHJ4-00313-00071404-00071601 speechless they can't communicate and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00314-00071602-00071822 certainly when someone's really upset EjzbqBQIHJ4-00315-00071823-00072099 you know as a GP we would have people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00316-00072100-00072282 you know coming in and and they're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00317-00072283-00072519 brought in a child who's having a you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00318-00072520-00072666 know febrile convulsion or something EjzbqBQIHJ4-00319-00072667-00072846 like that for the first time and how EjzbqBQIHJ4-00320-00072847-00073122 distressing that can be and they're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00321-00073123-00073266 shouting at the receptionist you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00322-00073267-00073382 I've got to see someone I'm going to see EjzbqBQIHJ4-00323-00073383-00073755 someone and that whole reaction you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00324-00073756-00073971 their cortex is not online and I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-00325-00073972-00074085 there are a lot of you know you were EjzbqBQIHJ4-00326-00074086-00074357 talking about traumatic grief yeah and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00327-00074358-00074589 and how that can sort of it can be not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00328-00074590-00074823 just what's happened now but what's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00329-00074824-00074997 happened in the past and it sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00330-00074998-00075405 calls all that up Absalom and it you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00331-00075406-00075747 know the cortex is not going to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00332-00075748-00075930 online we're going that's our job isn't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00333-00075931-00076125 it you know when we're mirroring remand EjzbqBQIHJ4-00334-00076126-00076278 we're doing that thinking about well EjzbqBQIHJ4-00335-00076279-00076476 what do i we can get the situation stead EjzbqBQIHJ4-00336-00076477-00076584 of being caught up in oh my god they're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00337-00076585-00076713 angry we're gonna zoom you know things EjzbqBQIHJ4-00338-00076714-00076956 this situation yeah yeah like this sit EjzbqBQIHJ4-00339-00076957-00077057 in a corner and instead of being EjzbqBQIHJ4-00340-00077058-00077229 punitive and that reception is so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00341-00077230-00077454 important isn't it therapy from the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00342-00077455-00077592 minute they walk in the door that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00343-00077593-00077844 really greeted by the staff yes or you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00344-00077845-00078039 bet go out and meet them yes and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00345-00078040-00078228 you can see there's some agitation here EjzbqBQIHJ4-00346-00078229-00078381 yeah they're not gonna respond they're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00347-00078382-00078507 not gonna be you know in their frontal EjzbqBQIHJ4-00348-00078508-00078639 lobe they're not gonna be thinking and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00349-00078640-00078855 analyzing they're going to be reactive EjzbqBQIHJ4-00350-00078856-00079050 as you said you know in this stage so we EjzbqBQIHJ4-00351-00079051-00079200 need to go so what's you know those EjzbqBQIHJ4-00352-00079201-00079376 they're Bane I love the acronym baby I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00353-00079377-00079554 think it's really lovely yeah and just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00354-00079555-00079686 to be able to go so what can I do for EjzbqBQIHJ4-00355-00079687-00079821 you what's happening here at the moment EjzbqBQIHJ4-00356-00079822-00079929 even though it's a really stressful EjzbqBQIHJ4-00357-00079930-00080082 situation you've gotta fix it EjzbqBQIHJ4-00358-00080083-00080304 but then and even naming the emotion you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00359-00080305-00080421 know the research shows that when you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00360-00080422-00080582 actually name the emotion you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00361-00080583-00080862 you're really angry you're frustrated EjzbqBQIHJ4-00362-00080863-00081150 you're sad you know it sounds like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00363-00081151-00081297 you're a bit scared you're concerned EjzbqBQIHJ4-00364-00081298-00081480 about something we're just naming the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00365-00081481-00081656 emotion and bring the cortex back EjzbqBQIHJ4-00366-00081657-00081919 absolutely um it's really much EjzbqBQIHJ4-00367-00081920-00082085 when we're doing psycho education and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00368-00082086-00082253 teaching in a session isn't it because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00369-00082254-00082393 if we know if that person is still in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00370-00082394-00082634 that stressed state and you're trying to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00371-00082635-00082843 give them strategies ask them what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00372-00082844-00082975 they've done before what's worked EjzbqBQIHJ4-00373-00082976-00083198 previously yeah and they're in this you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00374-00083199-00083603 know responsiveness or even just say you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00375-00083604-00083753 know exhausted often they come in very EjzbqBQIHJ4-00376-00083754-00083869 exclusive if they're not sleeping if the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00377-00083870-00084082 worries are overwhelming and we've got EjzbqBQIHJ4-00378-00084083-00084235 to try and do this education if I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00379-00084236-00084361 actually got to spend quite a bit of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00380-00084362-00084673 time de-escalating just stabilizing EjzbqBQIHJ4-00381-00084674-00084896 holding eye contact engaging with the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00382-00084897-00085300 person and I think that strategies and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00383-00085301-00085496 so what strategies do you recommend as a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00384-00085497-00085624 social worker you know when you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00385-00085625-00085778 working with someone with Greg I do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00386-00085779-00086011 something that I write on everything I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00387-00086012-00086212 was explaining to you earlier this dual EjzbqBQIHJ4-00388-00086213-00086419 processing model I just love it because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00389-00086420-00086629 it's just so clear we write on back of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00390-00086630-00086851 envelopes on serviettes no matter what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00391-00086852-00086978 I've got and I've got this you know one EjzbqBQIHJ4-00392-00086979-00087110 I did earlier and I just bring out this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00393-00087111-00087266 or I write at all just said look I want EjzbqBQIHJ4-00394-00087267-00087460 to draw this for you and so it's to the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00395-00087461-00087661 concentric circles and it actually it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00396-00087662-00087809 shilts and strobe we've got the models EjzbqBQIHJ4-00397-00087810-00088048 so from 1999 brought up a model that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00398-00088049-00088340 actually just fits with but counters EjzbqBQIHJ4-00399-00088341-00088531 some of their older theories of grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00400-00088532-00088717 and loss the stages and phases and tasks EjzbqBQIHJ4-00401-00088718-00088885 model we know that there is still some EjzbqBQIHJ4-00402-00088886-00089078 tasks of morning so wardens tasks or EjzbqBQIHJ4-00403-00089079-00089236 warnings are still relevant but perhaps EjzbqBQIHJ4-00404-00089237-00089443 we moved on from saying that you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00405-00089444-00089638 going through a stage breath yeah you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00406-00089639-00089803 know the anger denial bargaining and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00407-00089804-00090079 some concept of moving on because we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00408-00090080-00090268 really going away from that people have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00409-00090269-00090491 been rid of the grief or get rid of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00410-00090492-00090625 concept of life just can move on get EjzbqBQIHJ4-00411-00090626-00090935 over it and you can't actually deal with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00412-00090936-00091022 what's happening today if you haven't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00413-00091023-00091148 got over it you know it just put it EjzbqBQIHJ4-00414-00091149-00091363 aside it's about bringing it along with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00415-00091364-00091585 you integrating it with your current EjzbqBQIHJ4-00416-00091586-00091804 narrative so the dual processing model EjzbqBQIHJ4-00417-00091805-00092060 has a loss orientation on one side and a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00418-00092061-00092224 restorative orientation on the other EjzbqBQIHJ4-00419-00092225-00092366 side and what we say to people is that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00420-00092367-00092573 it sounds to me like you're oscillating EjzbqBQIHJ4-00421-00092574-00092915 between coping and being in the grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00422-00092916-00093191 and life is about dealing with loss and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00423-00093192-00093382 change constantly dealing with things EjzbqBQIHJ4-00424-00093383-00093619 that just stresses stress are coping EjzbqBQIHJ4-00425-00093620-00093904 mechanisms and what we're doing is I see EjzbqBQIHJ4-00426-00093905-00094105 my role as a clinician it's just helping EjzbqBQIHJ4-00427-00094106-00094247 a person identify what might be the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00428-00094248-00094285 trigger EjzbqBQIHJ4-00429-00094286-00094547 I might be over here being really caught EjzbqBQIHJ4-00430-00094548-00094786 up in my grief of feeling extremely you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00431-00094787-00095074 know frustrated or broken or hurt or not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00432-00095075-00095275 understanding regardless of what the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00433-00095276-00095679 losses woman's a job but you know he was EjzbqBQIHJ4-00434-00095680-00095875 devastated absolutely devastated with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00435-00095876-00096100 after 20 years of marriage he found out EjzbqBQIHJ4-00436-00096101-00096244 that his wife wasn't a virgin when EjzbqBQIHJ4-00437-00096245-00096472 they're married he was and madam he EjzbqBQIHJ4-00438-00096473-00096592 found out about he said oh my god I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00439-00096593-00096728 can't be married to this woman anymore EjzbqBQIHJ4-00440-00096729-00096988 and then he was just angry and you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00441-00096989-00097099 and she want to leave him because he was EjzbqBQIHJ4-00442-00097100-00097378 now turning into this angry man hmm but EjzbqBQIHJ4-00443-00097379-00097648 what I did with him is am to help him EjzbqBQIHJ4-00444-00097649-00097981 redirect that anger to a grief says you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00445-00097982-00098257 must be grieving the lost hope or value EjzbqBQIHJ4-00446-00098258-00098435 that you had it doesn't mean you love EjzbqBQIHJ4-00447-00098436-00098724 your wife less but you are grieving EjzbqBQIHJ4-00448-00098725-00098917 something that you had is a really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00449-00098918-00099043 strong value in your life and when we EjzbqBQIHJ4-00450-00099044-00099284 reframed mmm as a grief and we then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00451-00099285-00099403 looked at what might have been the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00452-00099404-00099610 triggers in his life now moving forward EjzbqBQIHJ4-00453-00099611-00099785 he was able to actually say well EjzbqBQIHJ4-00454-00099786-00100003 actually no I'm not angry I'm just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00455-00100004-00100237 really disappointed overwhelmed a bit EjzbqBQIHJ4-00456-00100238-00100438 frustrated and he had all these other EjzbqBQIHJ4-00457-00100439-00100697 words to describe this reaction that he EjzbqBQIHJ4-00458-00100698-00100853 had instead of just going from you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00459-00100854-00101029 zero to 10 being angry I'm just angry EjzbqBQIHJ4-00460-00101030-00101194 that's right he was able to say to his EjzbqBQIHJ4-00461-00101195-00101368 wife look I'm feeling he could own the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00462-00101369-00101638 emotion I'm feeling frustrated so that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00463-00101639-00101779 what I love about the dual processing EjzbqBQIHJ4-00464-00101780-00102019 model we can reframe things for people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00465-00102020-00102122 around well actually it looks like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00466-00102123-00102256 you're coping quite well at the moment EjzbqBQIHJ4-00467-00102257-00102430 would you say you know always checking EjzbqBQIHJ4-00468-00102431-00102650 and we thought is this coping what might EjzbqBQIHJ4-00469-00102651-00102865 be other losses along the way that you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00470-00102866-00103039 could identify because there's never EjzbqBQIHJ4-00471-00103040-00103213 just one loss is there even if it is a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00472-00103214-00103368 death there's never just the one loss EjzbqBQIHJ4-00473-00103369-00103594 because they save her person's lost EjzbqBQIHJ4-00474-00103595-00103823 their spouse they've just lost the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00475-00103824-00103885 partner EjzbqBQIHJ4-00476-00103886-00104062 they've lost their role they've lost EjzbqBQIHJ4-00477-00104063-00104273 their identity you know one woman who EjzbqBQIHJ4-00478-00104274-00104498 this was so sad how Monica this lady EjzbqBQIHJ4-00479-00104499-00104704 came into me and she handed me a photo EjzbqBQIHJ4-00480-00104705-00105013 and it was of her Medicare card she said EjzbqBQIHJ4-00481-00105014-00105259 look what arrived today was the Medicare EjzbqBQIHJ4-00482-00105260-00105502 card with just her name on it she said EjzbqBQIHJ4-00483-00105503-00105754 he's really died now hasn't he he's off EjzbqBQIHJ4-00484-00105755-00106102 my Medicare card I know and I just was EjzbqBQIHJ4-00485-00106103-00106445 so struck with this was yet another loss EjzbqBQIHJ4-00486-00106446-00106625 this was more traumatic for her than EjzbqBQIHJ4-00487-00106626-00106796 when her husband died it was now I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00488-00106797-00106984 alone seen my name there's only one name EjzbqBQIHJ4-00489-00106985-00107233 on my Medicare card now this is it so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00490-00107234-00107300 that lost EjzbqBQIHJ4-00491-00107301-00107626 roll that lost you know that sense of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00492-00107627-00107851 who's on the journey with me so it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00493-00107852-00108074 more than just a single loss people have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00494-00108075-00108308 multiple losses yeah and one of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00495-00108308-00108458 things you were talking about sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00496-00108458-00108623 was also about the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00497-00108624-00108784 loss of dreams you know when people get EjzbqBQIHJ4-00498-00108785-00108947 to a certain stage in their lives and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00499-00108948-00109429 they go oh well I always thought I would EjzbqBQIHJ4-00500-00109430-00109769 do that XYZ but now I can't oh I'm never EjzbqBQIHJ4-00501-00109770-00109997 going to be able to and that often EjzbqBQIHJ4-00502-00109998-00110138 presents doesn't it as a bit of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00503-00110139-00110393 depression or anxiety and people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00504-00110394-00110552 ruminate a lot over what if I'd only EjzbqBQIHJ4-00505-00110553-00110683 done this I could have done that if this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00506-00110684-00110873 only happened or or blaming other people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00507-00110874-00111034 don't they so they often come in said EjzbqBQIHJ4-00508-00111035-00111233 I'm not sleeping yep I'm not eating or EjzbqBQIHJ4-00509-00111233-00111374 I'm putting on weight so all the other EjzbqBQIHJ4-00510-00111375-00111623 symptoms yes and often not noticing the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00511-00111624-00111866 fact that perhaps there's this perhaps EjzbqBQIHJ4-00512-00111867-00112103 this grief around this loss dream you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00513-00112104-00112289 know the the promotion I missed out on EjzbqBQIHJ4-00514-00112290-00112516 or well even like in a chronic illness EjzbqBQIHJ4-00515-00112517-00112708 if someone gets something before the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00516-00112709-00112913 retirement age yeah and that it just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00517-00112914-00113051 changes the perspective we were always EjzbqBQIHJ4-00518-00113052-00113209 going to travel you know and we can't do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00519-00113210-00113432 that now that's wrong no that's so hard EjzbqBQIHJ4-00520-00113433-00113729 for people is not an adjustment that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00521-00113730-00113888 right and I was thinking you know in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00522-00113889-00114038 terms of the adjustment how would you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00523-00114039-00114194 help someone through that adjustment EjzbqBQIHJ4-00524-00114195-00114368 like what what sort of things would you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00525-00114369-00114604 do from that sort of you know a sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00526-00114605-00114760 emotional perspective cognitive EjzbqBQIHJ4-00527-00114761-00114953 perspective behavioral perspective what EjzbqBQIHJ4-00528-00114954-00115121 are the things that you would suggest EjzbqBQIHJ4-00529-00115122-00115384 would be helpful for clinicians look EjzbqBQIHJ4-00530-00115385-00115516 what I loved that's why I love going EjzbqBQIHJ4-00531-00115517-00115658 back to that dual processing model I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00532-00115658-00115874 really use it as my grounding tool okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-00533-00115875-00116069 so look I know I'd be research to know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00534-00116070-00116207 what you use chase they'd be really good EjzbqBQIHJ4-00535-00116208-00116393 yeah but because what I love about that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00536-00116394-00116573 is that because you can go there's look EjzbqBQIHJ4-00537-00116574-00116822 what might be the triggers that that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00538-00116823-00117016 will bring up the grief or the loss EjzbqBQIHJ4-00539-00117017-00117371 again for you so it could be oh you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00540-00117372-00117688 gonna have to ask me that question again EjzbqBQIHJ4-00541-00117689-00117932 because I love the way you had it set EjzbqBQIHJ4-00542-00117933-00118064 out you know these are the sort of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00543-00118065-00118319 the the emotional the cognitive and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00544-00118320-00118466 their behavioral interventions that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00545-00118467-00118631 might be really useful thank you for EjzbqBQIHJ4-00546-00118632-00118808 that yeah and I know you'd go back to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00547-00118808-00118952 the that you're processing cuz that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00548-00118953-00119144 you a wonderful starting point yeah and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00549-00119145-00119294 look and I often feel to that you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00550-00119295-00119432 when you're just so engrossed in the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00551-00119433-00119588 person's story you're listening and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00552-00119589-00119696 thinking you don't wanna be thinking of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00553-00119697-00119882 the next thing you want to sit with that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00554-00119883-00120146 person be and validate their responses EjzbqBQIHJ4-00555-00120147-00120374 and also be truly present at mindfulness EjzbqBQIHJ4-00556-00120375-00120671 yeah as imprisoned in the situation with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00557-00120672-00120773 the person I think is absolutely EjzbqBQIHJ4-00558-00120774-00120899 critical for you can actually sit with a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00559-00120900-00121091 person hold eye contact EjzbqBQIHJ4-00560-00121092-00121295 perhaps you know do the whole leaning in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00561-00121296-00121418 you know there are micro skills you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00562-00121419-00121598 I'm leaning in and opening yourself up EjzbqBQIHJ4-00563-00121599-00121847 with curiosity and sounds them so I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00564-00121848-00121977 really curious and really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00565-00121978-00122178 interested you've often then forgotten EjzbqBQIHJ4-00566-00122179-00122320 you know where you might be wanting to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00567-00122321-00122574 take that person so I think if you have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00568-00122575-00122814 a default that you go to so that's why I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00569-00122815-00123072 love the tip it's really grounded EjzbqBQIHJ4-00570-00123073-00123297 it's simple there from there would you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00571-00123298-00123595 then because I'm thinking as a GP okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-00572-00123596-00123943 um and I suppose um I use a little bit EjzbqBQIHJ4-00573-00123944-00124161 of that sort of solution focus model in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00574-00124162-00124408 the sense where I I go what can this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00575-00124408-00124725 person have more of that brings life EjzbqBQIHJ4-00576-00124726-00124986 into their life and joy and what can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00577-00124987-00125286 this person have less of that you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00578-00125287-00125472 is about ruminating on the bread for EjzbqBQIHJ4-00579-00125473-00125841 ruminating on the losses and so not that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00580-00125842-00126015 you don't honor the losses and the grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00581-00126016-00126309 but that you certainly don't spend you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00582-00126310-00126435 know there's no need to spend all that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00583-00126436-00126646 time sort of mourning EjzbqBQIHJ4-00584-00126647-00126844 you know I say that with a caveat okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-00585-00126845-00126999 because there are lots of cultural EjzbqBQIHJ4-00586-00127000-00127195 differences and sometimes within EjzbqBQIHJ4-00587-00127196-00127383 different cultures and people in the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00588-00127384-00127527 audience although that more much more EjzbqBQIHJ4-00589-00127528-00127941 than I do you know would have prescribed EjzbqBQIHJ4-00590-00127942-00128154 ways of mourning prescribed ways of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00591-00128155-00128419 doing grief and in certain cultures EjzbqBQIHJ4-00592-00128420-00128634 you're not allowed to express some of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00593-00128635-00128799 these losses that we've been talking EjzbqBQIHJ4-00594-00128800-00129024 about you're not allowed to express some EjzbqBQIHJ4-00595-00129025-00129268 of these griefs and and that actually EjzbqBQIHJ4-00596-00129269-00129508 makes life a lot harder when you're not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00597-00129508-00129750 allowed to do that and you see we call EjzbqBQIHJ4-00598-00129751-00130033 that a disenfranchised grief so a grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00599-00130033-00130176 that's a loss that someone's had that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00600-00130177-00130296 not socially acceptable EjzbqBQIHJ4-00601-00130297-00130507 that's not seen to be sanctioned so that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00602-00130508-00130710 how we'd normally react to grief which EjzbqBQIHJ4-00603-00130711-00130969 might be in some cultures could be never EjzbqBQIHJ4-00604-00130970-00131163 talking about you know Sophie only to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00605-00131164-00131301 see grief that death you know there's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00606-00131302-00131598 cultures there's reactions and cultural EjzbqBQIHJ4-00607-00131599-00131796 practices around certain groups if it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00608-00131797-00132009 about a death but if we actually name EjzbqBQIHJ4-00609-00132010-00132222 something as a grief and it could be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00610-00132223-00132510 around a miscarriage for example or an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00611-00132511-00132885 abortion or you know sort of successive EjzbqBQIHJ4-00612-00132886-00133038 partners in some of you know blended EjzbqBQIHJ4-00613-00133039-00133215 families where there's you know people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00614-00133216-00133464 are grieving the loss of somebody but EjzbqBQIHJ4-00615-00133465-00133653 they don't feel that they're they can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00616-00133654-00133843 call it a grief they're not allowed to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00617-00133844-00134037 grieve or even with a chart and a note EjzbqBQIHJ4-00618-00134038-00134269 to come out you're saying you know mom EjzbqBQIHJ4-00619-00134270-00134482 and dad I'm gay you you know and they're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00620-00134483-00134709 just not allowed to the family aren't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00621-00134710-00134916 allowed to say anything will do anything EjzbqBQIHJ4-00622-00134917-00135114 about it you know like to get the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00623-00135115-00135248 support from their friends EjzbqBQIHJ4-00624-00135249-00135551 and they may want to do some physical EjzbqBQIHJ4-00625-00135552-00135701 reactions to the grief they may want to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00626-00135702-00135986 cry or more just feel very emotive and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00627-00135987-00136115 actually that brings me to another thing EjzbqBQIHJ4-00628-00136116-00136262 is often you know we've had the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00629-00136263-00136532 masculine feminine models of of types of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00630-00136533-00136661 grieving you know and I think it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00631-00136662-00136817 really important to dispel all of that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00632-00136818-00137084 there are no you're a gendered roles EjzbqBQIHJ4-00633-00137085-00137240 wouldn't you say around that women do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00634-00137241-00137393 this and men do that I just think I've EjzbqBQIHJ4-00635-00137394-00137543 just got to dispel all of that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00636-00137544-00137768 completely and talk about is intuitive EjzbqBQIHJ4-00637-00137769-00138029 grieving so that sense of being immersed EjzbqBQIHJ4-00638-00138030-00138389 and invested in the emotive reaction to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00639-00138390-00138656 the grief and the emotive expression of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00640-00138657-00138818 the grief however it is for you as a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00641-00138819-00138995 person and then you could be in the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00642-00138996-00139190 instrumental mode which is the doing the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00643-00139191-00139379 busyness the task focused solution EjzbqBQIHJ4-00644-00139380-00139589 orientated and it's about helping that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00645-00139590-00139751 person circus you know I guy have people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00646-00139752-00139928 come sir I never grieved my mother when EjzbqBQIHJ4-00647-00139929-00140084 she died or I'd never grieved that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00648-00140085-00140228 what's wrong with me today because now EjzbqBQIHJ4-00649-00140229-00140489 I'm feeling emotive yeah and I often EjzbqBQIHJ4-00650-00140490-00140627 just say to people no but at the time EjzbqBQIHJ4-00651-00140628-00140753 you grieved appropriately it was an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00652-00140754-00140975 instrumental grieving you did what was EjzbqBQIHJ4-00653-00140976-00141296 needed so it's an instrumental grieving EjzbqBQIHJ4-00654-00141297-00141581 and an ingenuity of grieving and at EjzbqBQIHJ4-00655-00141582-00141800 times we can just beautifully have that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00656-00141801-00142055 lovely flow between yeah and there's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00657-00142056-00142229 time I love that you know there's a time EjzbqBQIHJ4-00658-00142230-00142382 for everything sometimes there's a time EjzbqBQIHJ4-00659-00142383-00142619 to being intuitive yep to be deeply EjzbqBQIHJ4-00660-00142620-00142805 immersed in the emotion of a go my god EjzbqBQIHJ4-00661-00142806-00143015 I'm so overwhelmed by this yeah and they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00662-00143016-00143132 got right well what do we have to do now EjzbqBQIHJ4-00663-00143133-00143294 I've got to actually get the the dinner EjzbqBQIHJ4-00664-00143295-00143402 ready I've got to go and do shopping EjzbqBQIHJ4-00665-00143403-00143558 I've got to go to work yeah I've got to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00666-00143559-00143795 sort out the will of God ok mum's house EjzbqBQIHJ4-00667-00143796-00143966 I've got to do it yeah but people need EjzbqBQIHJ4-00668-00143967-00144125 to see that that is grief you grieved EjzbqBQIHJ4-00669-00144126-00144389 appropriately you just needed to be and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00670-00144390-00144602 all these it helps to educate partners EjzbqBQIHJ4-00671-00144603-00144725 you know because there will be one EjzbqBQIHJ4-00672-00144726-00144905 partner doing intuitive grief and the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00673-00144906-00145031 other partner will be doing the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00674-00145032-00145241 instrumental bereavement and there's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00675-00145242-00145421 conflict between them because they don't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00676-00145422-00145559 feel like they're travelling the same EjzbqBQIHJ4-00677-00145560-00145775 path that's right absolutely and you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00678-00145776-00145973 can't if there's one person doing all EjzbqBQIHJ4-00679-00145974-00146123 the problem-solving and they're taking EjzbqBQIHJ4-00680-00146124-00146453 over you know we had a significant grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00681-00146454-00146654 in our family a couple of years ago and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00682-00146655-00146858 you know I had two sons that came in and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00683-00146859-00147050 they came to the rescue and you don't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00684-00147051-00147239 stepped into the position and they were EjzbqBQIHJ4-00685-00147240-00147473 brilliant which gave space for the rest EjzbqBQIHJ4-00686-00147474-00147710 of us to be intuitive to be deeply EjzbqBQIHJ4-00687-00147711-00147935 immersed in the emotional the hugging EjzbqBQIHJ4-00688-00147936-00148124 the caring for the you know the the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00689-00148125-00148337 supportive work that was done and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00690-00148338-00148514 there's a time for that too EjzbqBQIHJ4-00691-00148515-00148751 he flipped over for them to then be able EjzbqBQIHJ4-00692-00148752-00148896 to sit back and go oh my god I can't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00693-00148897-00149099 believe this terrible thing happened and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00694-00149100-00149300 for those of us to be caring and support EjzbqBQIHJ4-00695-00149301-00149429 and it's interesting you know because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00696-00149430-00149726 it's also bringing up as a GP a young EjzbqBQIHJ4-00697-00149727-00150146 mum was telling me about her son and and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00698-00150147-00150381 their pet had died and she was EjzbqBQIHJ4-00699-00150382-00150548 distraught they'd had the pet for many EjzbqBQIHJ4-00700-00150549-00150720 years and everybody in the family was EjzbqBQIHJ4-00701-00150721-00151001 distraught but her young son you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00702-00151002-00151259 primary school age doesn't seem to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00703-00151260-00151439 getting on with life and you know life EjzbqBQIHJ4-00704-00151440-00151625 was good and and she was really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00705-00151626-00151829 concerned should I you can give me the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00706-00151830-00151976 name of the psychologist he can go and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00707-00151977-00152493 see he's bottling it all up would you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00708-00152494-00152711 think about that I'll actually just sit EjzbqBQIHJ4-00709-00152712-00152846 with her and say so what part of this is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00710-00152847-00153089 really you're struggling with because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00711-00153090-00153233 and the other thing is part of an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00712-00153234-00153497 understanding loss or grieving EjzbqBQIHJ4-00713-00153498-00153720 associated with any loss is for us as EjzbqBQIHJ4-00714-00153721-00153848 clinicians to help people to understand EjzbqBQIHJ4-00715-00153849-00154010 the meaning here's the meaning is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00716-00154011-00154196 directly proportional to the degree of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00717-00154197-00154446 the depth of the loss so if something EjzbqBQIHJ4-00718-00154447-00154679 has a great meeting and great attachment EjzbqBQIHJ4-00719-00154680-00154886 there will be a greater loss or an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00720-00154887-00155114 experience of grief but I also think EjzbqBQIHJ4-00721-00155115-00155406 that children can be it girls thinking EjzbqBQIHJ4-00722-00155407-00155558 you know I know and I wasn't laughing at EjzbqBQIHJ4-00723-00155559-00155721 her we were laughing together at the end EjzbqBQIHJ4-00724-00155722-00155946 of it well we sort of said children have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00725-00155947-00156179 a really pragmatic view of the world I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00726-00156180-00156408 do and this this animal was in his life EjzbqBQIHJ4-00727-00156409-00156633 for this and you know all his life but EjzbqBQIHJ4-00728-00156634-00156934 in the same way like he he has other EjzbqBQIHJ4-00729-00156935-00157233 really lovely components he's got you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00730-00157234-00157388 he's got your husband he's got his EjzbqBQIHJ4-00731-00157389-00157608 siblings like you know what I mean like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00732-00157609-00157829 his loss is not the same as your loss EjzbqBQIHJ4-00733-00157830-00158039 and so he will grieve differently and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00734-00158040-00158198 you know he went through the usual EjzbqBQIHJ4-00735-00158199-00158378 things like he wasn't bedwetting he EjzbqBQIHJ4-00736-00158379-00158520 wasn't like he wasn't regressing in his EjzbqBQIHJ4-00737-00158521-00158783 age he wasn't you know no problems at EjzbqBQIHJ4-00738-00158784-00158816 school EjzbqBQIHJ4-00739-00158817-00159096 he wasn't irritable or absent at home he EjzbqBQIHJ4-00740-00159097-00159224 wasn't having more conflict with his EjzbqBQIHJ4-00741-00159225-00159386 siblings like we went through all of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00742-00159387-00159596 sort of the scenes that might be markers EjzbqBQIHJ4-00743-00159597-00159935 of bother you know for a child um and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00744-00159936-00160088 and to say no and he's not a sociopath EjzbqBQIHJ4-00745-00160089-00160250 either you know I mean he really does EjzbqBQIHJ4-00746-00160251-00160463 love he does care it's just that this is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00747-00160464-00160853 the way that he's you know is it's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00748-00160854-00161102 pragmatic view sometimes children can EjzbqBQIHJ4-00749-00161103-00161246 have a fairly pragmatic thing and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00750-00161247-00161408 they're lost just cats catches up with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00751-00161409-00161621 them later and I think it's a wonderful EjzbqBQIHJ4-00752-00161622-00161859 opportunity for us to introduce to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00753-00161860-00162033 to people to teach them how to talk to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00754-00162034-00162275 their for that like to go to her son EjzbqBQIHJ4-00755-00162276-00162449 said you know you don't what we call a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00756-00162450-00162618 teachable moment yes sir to go to them EjzbqBQIHJ4-00757-00162619-00162759 and say look if you know you must really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00758-00162760-00163071 miss you know the case so tell me about EjzbqBQIHJ4-00759-00163072-00163241 the relationship tell me about what you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00760-00163242-00163470 miss most about that's right and they so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00761-00163471-00163656 she was going to organize a cooking EjzbqBQIHJ4-00762-00163657-00163853 session with him so they could stand EjzbqBQIHJ4-00763-00163854-00164066 together say what they really loved EjzbqBQIHJ4-00764-00164067-00164291 about it you know what I mean so because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00765-00164292-00164453 actually he might have and some people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00766-00164454-00164673 feel like because Sonya cat should I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00767-00164674-00164879 should I grieve it should I be crying EjzbqBQIHJ4-00768-00164880-00165048 over kept like they come to certain EjzbqBQIHJ4-00769-00165049-00165413 stages and they just think oh maybe EjzbqBQIHJ4-00770-00165414-00165597 everyone think I'm weird if I do this so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00771-00165598-00165786 that's it yeah that's so and this is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00772-00165787-00165965 that part about you know disenfranchised EjzbqBQIHJ4-00773-00165966-00166143 if we don't let people grieve things EjzbqBQIHJ4-00774-00166144-00166434 appropriately but give them perhaps that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00775-00166435-00166661 education to say look you know as a mom EjzbqBQIHJ4-00776-00166662-00166806 you can use these teachable moments with EjzbqBQIHJ4-00777-00166807-00166983 your children to just allow them to say EjzbqBQIHJ4-00778-00166984-00167261 must be very sad but we do said we don't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00779-00167262-00167499 have to be crying sad is interesting and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00780-00167500-00167619 open talk to the child but tell me about EjzbqBQIHJ4-00781-00167620-00167879 must tell you had a beautiful lung-lung EjzbqBQIHJ4-00782-00167880-00168074 nine-year-old in session last year I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00783-00168075-00168207 said it was her tell me what's the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00784-00168208-00168416 opposite to happy and he looked at when EjzbqBQIHJ4-00785-00168417-00168689 he goes not happy and I'm like you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00786-00168690-00169066 right the opposite is not happy not sad EjzbqBQIHJ4-00787-00169067-00169323 so if we're not sad it doesn't mean we EjzbqBQIHJ4-00788-00169324-00169466 have to be happy we just have to be not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00789-00169467-00169799 sad and opposite of happy is just not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00790-00169800-00170051 happy and the other side angry I know I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00791-00170052-00170228 just love it and the other sort of angry EjzbqBQIHJ4-00792-00170229-00170532 is not calm and serene it's just not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00793-00170533-00170789 angry is what it is so here we're not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00794-00170790-00171057 angry and here we're angry so I think we EjzbqBQIHJ4-00795-00171058-00171212 can actually say to people look do it to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00796-00171213-00171669 be not sad is just not sad we don't have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00797-00171670-00171863 to then be happy and I think sometimes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00798-00171864-00172134 that positive psychology creeps in in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00799-00172135-00172383 ways that perhaps not intended it just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00800-00172384-00173099 just be positive things and I think you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00801-00173100-00173349 know when when we're talking about yawn EjzbqBQIHJ4-00802-00173350-00173598 I use that sort of positive psychology a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00803-00173599-00173924 lot okay and the the positive psychology EjzbqBQIHJ4-00804-00173925-00174266 that I use is more in relation to you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00805-00174267-00174563 know focusing on you know what are the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00806-00174564-00174737 things sometimes you know when people EjzbqBQIHJ4-00807-00174738-00174911 find it really hard to get through the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00808-00174912-00175119 day and yes you acknowledge it's really EjzbqBQIHJ4-00809-00175120-00175241 hard to get through the day but can you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00810-00175242-00175454 get to the end of the day and go three EjzbqBQIHJ4-00811-00175455-00175659 things that I'm grateful for can you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00812-00175660-00175898 wake up in the morning and say you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00813-00175899-00176121 before you you get out of bed close your EjzbqBQIHJ4-00814-00176122-00176409 eyes and focus on the five human beings EjzbqBQIHJ4-00815-00176410-00176694 who either are positive forces in your EjzbqBQIHJ4-00816-00176695-00176919 life today or have been in the past and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00817-00176920-00177254 just think about them and say thank you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00818-00177255-00177510 and I wish you well and then as you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00819-00177511-00177665 connect with those five people and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00820-00177666-00177921 get up and go through your day you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00821-00177922-00178095 to use the concept of mindfulness which EjzbqBQIHJ4-00822-00178096-00178245 is really just paying attention in the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00823-00178246-00178548 moment - at the end of the day keeper EjzbqBQIHJ4-00824-00178549-00178809 today is not a to-do list you know like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00825-00178810-00179070 I don't like you know today look what I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00826-00179071-00179279 did today look what I achieved today I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00827-00179280-00179462 think that fits into my 15 minutes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00828-00179463-00179576 therapy you know about 15 minutes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00829-00179577-00179622 therapy EjzbqBQIHJ4-00830-00179623-00180185 tell me more minutes 15 more minutes and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00831-00180186-00180410 just another 15 more minutes right and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00832-00180411-00180578 you can do another 15 more minutes and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00833-00180579-00180843 how was that for you and just you could EjzbqBQIHJ4-00834-00180844-00181061 do it you can actually get through the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00835-00181062-00181260 next two or three hours just yeah 15 EjzbqBQIHJ4-00836-00181261-00181511 more minutes yes yeah okay and so at the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00837-00181512-00181698 end of the day you can write down I got EjzbqBQIHJ4-00838-00181699-00181869 through yeah I got through 10 of those EjzbqBQIHJ4-00839-00181870-00182023 15 more minutes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00840-00182024-00182244 absolutely and seen often - in those EjzbqBQIHJ4-00841-00182245-00182448 feelings just overwhelm and people then EjzbqBQIHJ4-00842-00182449-00182648 start self harming or doing other EjzbqBQIHJ4-00843-00182649-00182861 behaviors of concern yeah often giving EjzbqBQIHJ4-00844-00182862-00183077 them just a simple quick short strategy EjzbqBQIHJ4-00845-00183078-00183285 just 15 more minutes that mindfulness to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00846-00183286-00183476 ghostess Center acknowledge where the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00847-00183477-00183723 feeling arises in the body and we got 15 EjzbqBQIHJ4-00848-00183724-00183848 more minutes that's all I need EjzbqBQIHJ4-00849-00183849-00183989 yeah and then when they get to that guy EjzbqBQIHJ4-00850-00183990-00184221 I can do 15 more with that sense of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00851-00184222-00184443 positive achievement yeah and you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00852-00184444-00184734 as a GP I mean we do see people who you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00853-00184735-00184913 know have had lots of trauma in their EjzbqBQIHJ4-00854-00184914-00185184 lives and so you know suicidal ideation EjzbqBQIHJ4-00855-00185185-00185297 and behavior will occur EjzbqBQIHJ4-00856-00185298-00185660 you know self harming and one of the the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00857-00185661-00185840 real benefits in my area at least of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00858-00185841-00185985 mental health practitioners network is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00859-00185986-00186273 the fact that when we meet you know it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00860-00186274-00186551 we've got now 145 people who've actually EjzbqBQIHJ4-00861-00186552-00186826 attended and so the group is having 145 EjzbqBQIHJ4-00862-00186827-00187047 even though our monthly meetings are a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00863-00187048-00187262 little bit less than that usually you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00864-00187263-00187490 know between 20 and 30 but every EjzbqBQIHJ4-00865-00187491-00187860 clinician presents on their own work not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00866-00187861-00188034 every I mean people who want to yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-00867-00188035-00188193 some people don't want to but we know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00868-00188194-00188521 who people are the GP is in our area EjzbqBQIHJ4-00869-00188522-00188739 know is they want to know of someone in EjzbqBQIHJ4-00870-00188740-00188875 you you know if someone in the audience EjzbqBQIHJ4-00871-00188876-00189102 might do this already you know that you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00872-00189103-00189313 just send an email to the person who's EjzbqBQIHJ4-00873-00189314-00189513 organizing the the network and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00874-00189514-00189727 facilitating and say look we've got I've EjzbqBQIHJ4-00875-00189728-00189927 got this patient or this client who EjzbqBQIHJ4-00876-00189928-00190116 needs someone with these skills and do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00877-00190117-00190389 you know of anyone and I normally send EjzbqBQIHJ4-00878-00190390-00190543 an email out to the group and get lots EjzbqBQIHJ4-00879-00190544-00190720 of people responding it's a really good EjzbqBQIHJ4-00880-00190721-00190902 resource that's wonderful and look I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00881-00190903-00191044 think like this one I love this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00882-00191045-00191166 conference to like I think that the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00883-00191167-00191323 theme is working better together yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-00884-00191324-00191470 any much period actually we've got one EjzbqBQIHJ4-00885-00191471-00191589 in Walker so it gives us that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00886-00191590-00191857 opportunity to meet and greet and think EjzbqBQIHJ4-00887-00191858-00192073 I might collaborate all we can actually EjzbqBQIHJ4-00888-00192074-00192322 get our peer collegial support I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-00889-00192323-00192526 that's absolutely critical I think from EjzbqBQIHJ4-00890-00192527-00192739 a GP perspective knowing you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00891-00192740-00192879 because you just don't want to always go EjzbqBQIHJ4-00892-00192880-00193039 to the default I'll just send them to EjzbqBQIHJ4-00893-00193040-00193210 that person if you know that they do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00894-00193211-00193428 grief well but this person does self EjzbqBQIHJ4-00895-00193429-00193558 harm well this present as eating EjzbqBQIHJ4-00896-00193559-00193735 disorders well you know we can't be EjzbqBQIHJ4-00897-00193736-00193945 everything to everybody we've actually EjzbqBQIHJ4-00898-00193946-00194131 got to be you know real like you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00899-00194132-00194265 wouldn't go to see an orthopedic surgeon EjzbqBQIHJ4-00900-00194266-00194476 if you had a gastric problem you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00901-00194477-00194656 you go you choose your clinicians very EjzbqBQIHJ4-00902-00194657-00194857 wisely don't you because you know that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00903-00194858-00195082 they'll be able to understand and listen EjzbqBQIHJ4-00904-00195083-00195322 in and if you're the first you know the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00905-00195323-00195472 gay to give the first port of call for a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00906-00195473-00195643 lot of clients you know if you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00907-00195644-00195874 listening and thinking this could be I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-00908-00195875-00196174 wondering is there grief instead of EjzbqBQIHJ4-00909-00196175-00196404 perhaps just something else depression EjzbqBQIHJ4-00910-00196405-00196513 yep yeah yep EjzbqBQIHJ4-00911-00196514-00196900 yes a just depression should it's so EjzbqBQIHJ4-00912-00196901-00197197 close because it pays prescribe you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00913-00197198-00197403 what amazed me that's a good segue isn't EjzbqBQIHJ4-00914-00197404-00197725 it yeah I don't want to just talk about EjzbqBQIHJ4-00915-00197726-00197947 medication as a joke you know but this EjzbqBQIHJ4-00916-00197948-00198187 is not the forum for it but um you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00917-00198188-00198409 sometimes because people come in and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00918-00198410-00198583 they say I just want to feel better yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-00919-00198584-00198811 and so you go right okay you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00920-00198812-00199033 medical director or whatever you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00921-00199034-00199156 best practice but ever it is that you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00922-00199157-00199404 use should be saying these things but EjzbqBQIHJ4-00923-00199405-00199590 you know in that and then you just you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00924-00199591-00199738 know cookies here's the script sometimes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00925-00199739-00199989 it's so easy to do that do you find EjzbqBQIHJ4-00926-00199990-00200154 people want that is it do you find EjzbqBQIHJ4-00927-00200155-00200304 people come in and just need something EjzbqBQIHJ4-00928-00200305-00200482 give me something my friends on anti EjzbqBQIHJ4-00929-00200483-00200616 press and my mother's on engineer my EjzbqBQIHJ4-00930-00200617-00200743 sister year could I just have an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00931-00200744-00200926 antidepressant I'll feel better it's not EjzbqBQIHJ4-00932-00200927-00201211 an uncommon presentation and so or even EjzbqBQIHJ4-00933-00201212-00201670 is sleeping tablet okay and and so just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00934-00201671-00201859 taking that time to say look we could do EjzbqBQIHJ4-00935-00201860-00201899 that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00936-00201900-00202169 definitely and and I think that it is EjzbqBQIHJ4-00937-00202170-00202421 important to to reinforce that sometimes EjzbqBQIHJ4-00938-00202422-00202634 in prolonged grief like a prolonged EjzbqBQIHJ4-00939-00202635-00202796 grief reaction and complicated grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-00940-00202797-00203150 where people have aspects of feeling you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00941-00203151-00203479 know a lot of self blame or they just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00942-00203480-00203687 feel that life isn't worth living or EjzbqBQIHJ4-00943-00203688-00203882 they have you know like really severe EjzbqBQIHJ4-00944-00203883-00204161 problems although this means depression EjzbqBQIHJ4-00945-00204162-00204316 before that an antidepressant like an EjzbqBQIHJ4-00946-00204317-00204518 SSRI might actually be a really good EjzbqBQIHJ4-00947-00204519-00204782 thing to add as a support you know I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00948-00204783-00204961 often talk about it's like a plaster EjzbqBQIHJ4-00949-00204962-00205181 cast on your arm you're just using it EjzbqBQIHJ4-00950-00205182-00205328 for the moment so that you can have that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00951-00205329-00205537 support an extra thing that it will let EjzbqBQIHJ4-00952-00205538-00205721 you get through life okay and through EjzbqBQIHJ4-00953-00205721-00205826 this really difficult you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00954-00205827-00206207 adjustment process and so the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00955-00206208-00206488 antidepressants can be really useful I I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00956-00206489-00206756 guess you know the research sort of says EjzbqBQIHJ4-00957-00206757-00206978 that benzodiazepines you know sleeping EjzbqBQIHJ4-00958-00206979-00207292 tablets valium they don't help they EjzbqBQIHJ4-00959-00207294-00207419 don't make any difference to the EjzbqBQIHJ4-00960-00207419-00207664 grieving process and and with a certain EjzbqBQIHJ4-00961-00207665-00207830 number of individuals can actually cause EjzbqBQIHJ4-00962-00207831-00208073 harm because they make is you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-00963-00208073-00208253 groggy during the day they can interfere EjzbqBQIHJ4-00964-00208254-00208448 with working machinery and some EjzbqBQIHJ4-00965-00208448-00208598 addictive like all that kind of stuff I EjzbqBQIHJ4-00966-00208598-00208730 mean addiction probably not so much EjzbqBQIHJ4-00967-00208731-00208931 within this sort of grief and loss sort EjzbqBQIHJ4-00968-00208932-00209129 of environment but you know they're EjzbqBQIHJ4-00969-00209130-00209296 potentially quite harmful so I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-00970-00209298-00209546 anything that you can do you know we EjzbqBQIHJ4-00971-00209546-00209852 live in the world of apps and so you EjzbqBQIHJ4-00972-00209853-00209998 know there are so many addicts which are EjzbqBQIHJ4-00973-00210000-00210278 about meditation there are so many apps EjzbqBQIHJ4-00974-00210279-00210655 which are about sleep and sleep hygiene EjzbqBQIHJ4-00975-00210656-00210910 there's a there are apps about logging EjzbqBQIHJ4-00976-00210911-00211181 your worries thoughts yes it's just EjzbqBQIHJ4-00977-00211182-00211379 brilliant okay as you know I love that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00978-00211380-00211550 to the concept of worry time EjzbqBQIHJ4-00979-00211551-00211682 yeah actually giving people permission EjzbqBQIHJ4-00980-00211683-00211877 it's often says I'm gotta get your worry EjzbqBQIHJ4-00981-00211878-00212129 book sorry Tyler EjzbqBQIHJ4-00982-00212130-00212351 yes so every time it get you borrow when EjzbqBQIHJ4-00983-00212352-00212540 things where you write them down have EjzbqBQIHJ4-00984-00212541-00212729 worry time have adjustment worry time EjzbqBQIHJ4-00985-00212730-00212873 because you can't trick the brain either EjzbqBQIHJ4-00986-00212873-00213062 is you know with worry time if you say EjzbqBQIHJ4-00987-00213063-00213194 I'm gonna worry about that in worry time EjzbqBQIHJ4-00988-00213194-00213371 you actually got to do it do it so that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00989-00213371-00213535 you actually treating your brain and EjzbqBQIHJ4-00990-00213536-00213740 setting up new neural pathways yes that EjzbqBQIHJ4-00991-00213741-00213985 actually say yes that's right you will EjzbqBQIHJ4-00992-00213986-00214127 do that on Thursday at 4 o'clock because EjzbqBQIHJ4-00993-00214128-00214289 that's my worry time yeah and I get my EjzbqBQIHJ4-00994-00214290-00214478 book my bar or up my worries down like EjzbqBQIHJ4-00995-00214479-00214669 my shopping list close the book and put EjzbqBQIHJ4-00996-00214671-00214805 it away that's right I think it's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-00997-00214806-00215006 really good mantle a strategy to deal EjzbqBQIHJ4-00998-00215007-00215182 with worries especially EjzbqBQIHJ4-00999-00215183-00215648 ruminating for separating that's it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01000-00215648-00215819 that'd be good because you know where EjzbqBQIHJ4-01001-00215819-00215987 we're born without the capacity to sort EjzbqBQIHJ4-01002-00215988-00216173 of produce adrenaline yes and so we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01003-00216173-00216356 born you know a bit of a warrior yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-01004-00216357-00216554 all right I mean some people might say EjzbqBQIHJ4-01005-00216555-00216761 that then your life events exacerbate EjzbqBQIHJ4-01006-00216762-00216881 that sort of capacity to produce EjzbqBQIHJ4-01007-00216882-00217112 adrenaline when it's not needed but EjzbqBQIHJ4-01008-00217113-00217277 certainly having these strategies to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01009-00217278-00217517 manage so and that's I think as a GP EjzbqBQIHJ4-01010-00217517-00217826 it's kind of untangling oh you had one EjzbqBQIHJ4-01011-00217827-00217982 on one of your things you had you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01012-00217983-00218192 most people think of grief as it's going EjzbqBQIHJ4-01013-00218192-00218396 to be this sort of straight line no just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01014-00218396-00218519 getting through the process yes it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01015-00218519-00218698 difficult and then you had no grief is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01016-00218700-00218825 actually like this you start off like EjzbqBQIHJ4-01017-00218826-00219026 this and go but it's wrong and then you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01018-00219027-00219185 come out the other end and I think it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01019-00219186-00219401 that we're here you know in this really EjzbqBQIHJ4-01020-00219402-00219629 messy sort of tangled stuff except EjzbqBQIHJ4-01021-00219630-00219755 Monica is really important not to that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01022-00219756-00220013 people think it's chaotic grief is not EjzbqBQIHJ4-01023-00220014-00220235 chaotic okay there's a passion and a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01024-00220236-00220466 rhythm to breathe because it's always EjzbqBQIHJ4-01025-00220467-00220621 said tree is chaotic EjzbqBQIHJ4-01026-00220623-00220792 it feels chaotic because we don't know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01027-00220794-00221039 the triggers it's our job to go grief is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01028-00221040-00221273 not chaotic there are key markers and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01029-00221273-00221486 points along that journey it actually is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01030-00221487-00221894 like that okay but it feels this so EjzbqBQIHJ4-01031-00221894-00222011 you've got to so so what might be the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01032-00222012-00222203 what will be your triggers today and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01033-00222204-00222383 when grief is acute you actually have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01034-00222384-00222491 lots of triggers there are a lot of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01035-00222492-00222694 things I got oh my god you know what EjzbqBQIHJ4-01036-00222696-00222863 let's go to death even though grief is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01037-00222864-00223001 not just about death but you know it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01038-00223002-00223208 that person that you loved has died that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01039-00223209-00223358 it's everything's a trigger like when I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01040-00223359-00223496 make a cup of tea you see it two cups EjzbqBQIHJ4-01041-00223496-00223696 out when I get in the car both of us EjzbqBQIHJ4-01042-00223698-00223889 went when I came home come home from EjzbqBQIHJ4-01043-00223890-00224057 work they would be there when I've read EjzbqBQIHJ4-01044-00224058-00224173 the paper there's someone to talk to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01045-00224175-00224378 like all you know the yearning that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01046-00224379-00224510 people feel especially you know if EjzbqBQIHJ4-01047-00224511-00224684 you've lost a child and yearning is just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01048-00224685-00224936 not with grief of a death of a loved one EjzbqBQIHJ4-01049-00224937-00225107 either that yearning that sense of I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01050-00225108-00225319 want this person that deep physical EjzbqBQIHJ4-01051-00225321-00225665 longing and wanting to hold a hug to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01052-00225666-00225898 touch it also comes in with other losses EjzbqBQIHJ4-01053-00225900-00226096 as well like that acute traumatic loss EjzbqBQIHJ4-01054-00226098-00226475 that yearning for the lost limb or the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01055-00226476-00226703 lost life that you had that yearning for EjzbqBQIHJ4-01056-00226704-00226988 it so often that it is isn't it anybody EjzbqBQIHJ4-01057-00226989-00227198 that's ruminating over what that life EjzbqBQIHJ4-01058-00227198-00227333 would have been like it would could have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01059-00227334-00227564 been like this I would have done this so EjzbqBQIHJ4-01060-00227565-00227719 the triggers are there whenever there's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01061-00227721-00227848 something in our little EjzbqBQIHJ4-01062-00227850-00228128 you know the persons world are the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01063-00228129-00228296 systems that impact on that person there EjzbqBQIHJ4-01064-00228296-00228554 will be a trigger I think our job is to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01065-00228555-00228863 be that quiet presence that listens to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01066-00228864-00229109 the story you know and I often do a like EjzbqBQIHJ4-01067-00229110-00229319 a mind map for people and I'll do a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01068-00229319-00229556 circle and as they talk and I just do a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01069-00229557-00229703 circle and put something in it and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-01070-00229704-00229934 a circle and put something in it and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01071-00229935-00230048 say to the person do you mind if I just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01072-00230048-00230240 put some things down on this page as EjzbqBQIHJ4-01073-00230241-00230477 we're talking and then we line them up EjzbqBQIHJ4-01074-00230478-00230627 we'll link them up and say in any given EjzbqBQIHJ4-01075-00230628-00230873 day you'll go here here here here here EjzbqBQIHJ4-01076-00230873-00231077 where are the triggers for you in this EjzbqBQIHJ4-01077-00231078-00231380 day not just the anniversaries we often EjzbqBQIHJ4-01078-00231381-00231479 just think triggers might be the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01079-00231480-00231644 birthdays the anniversaries or when I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01080-00231644-00231785 lost my job or this thing happened all EjzbqBQIHJ4-01081-00231786-00232061 with the house burned down or tangible EjzbqBQIHJ4-01082-00232062-00232277 triggers we've got to think about what EjzbqBQIHJ4-01083-00232278-00232406 are the other triggers that might happen EjzbqBQIHJ4-01084-00232407-00232571 so you know if you're at work and was EjzbqBQIHJ4-01085-00232571-00232676 because you missed out on a job EjzbqBQIHJ4-01086-00232677-00232946 promotion it could be when you know the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01087-00232946-00233123 person that got the job walks faster you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01088-00233123-00233360 got you know it could be something only EjzbqBQIHJ4-01089-00233361-00233582 you know it might be that at work EjzbqBQIHJ4-01090-00233583-00233783 there's a bullying situation might be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01091-00233784-00234121 that you know there's another situation EjzbqBQIHJ4-01092-00234123-00234271 of this conflict with the neighbor over EjzbqBQIHJ4-01093-00234273-00234464 the tree like you just don't know in the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01094-00234465-00234710 context of people's lives you know how EjzbqBQIHJ4-01095-00234711-00234953 many other factors are sort of impacting EjzbqBQIHJ4-01096-00234954-00235103 and I was just thinking about that word EjzbqBQIHJ4-01097-00235104-00235304 impact I mean something we haven't EjzbqBQIHJ4-01098-00235305-00235423 mentioned already but something it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01099-00235425-00235688 very high on my list of things you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01100-00235689-00235937 when I talk to clinicians and it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01101-00235938-00236123 clinician self-care because you know how EjzbqBQIHJ4-01102-00236123-00236309 you talk about being present about EjzbqBQIHJ4-01103-00236310-00236651 listening it's really hard for us as EjzbqBQIHJ4-01104-00236652-00236834 clinicians to be really present to other EjzbqBQIHJ4-01105-00236835-00237131 people's grieves greets you know sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01106-00237132-00237332 and that sort of emotional experience EjzbqBQIHJ4-01107-00237333-00237539 when our cortex isn't online that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01108-00237540-00237785 wrong when we're aroused and so it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01109-00237786-00237935 really important for us to do our own EjzbqBQIHJ4-01110-00237936-00238259 self-care absolutely - how do you - it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01111-00238260-00238444 how do you do such good I did a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01112-00238446-00238646 presentation yesterday to GP registrar's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01113-00238646-00238973 on on anxiety and I had someone come up EjzbqBQIHJ4-01114-00238973-00239177 to me afterwards I said how do you do it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01115-00239178-00239375 how do you how do you look after EjzbqBQIHJ4-01116-00239376-00239798 yourself and I mean I you know there are EjzbqBQIHJ4-01117-00239798-00240014 so many things that I use an app I used EjzbqBQIHJ4-01118-00240015-00240212 you know a meditation app I do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01119-00240213-00240482 meditation every day I exercise you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01120-00240483-00240737 five days a week I I have good EjzbqBQIHJ4-01121-00240738-00240923 relationships I've got network of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01122-00240923-00241163 friends I can talk to them I can say to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01123-00241164-00241241 them can I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01124-00241242-00241502 your frontal lobes they know these EjzbqBQIHJ4-01125-00241503-00241694 months of looking because you know if EjzbqBQIHJ4-01126-00241694-00241898 I'm like this I'll go can I borrow your EjzbqBQIHJ4-01127-00241898-00242336 frontal lobes you know I have things EjzbqBQIHJ4-01128-00242337-00242540 that I work part-time because I'm an EjzbqBQIHJ4-01129-00242541-00242705 introvert and so I need time off I mean EjzbqBQIHJ4-01130-00242706-00242954 there are lots of things that I do and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01131-00242955-00243233 think I also have supervision and I also EjzbqBQIHJ4-01132-00243234-00243614 talk to my peers and at times when I've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01133-00243615-00243817 needed to because of something that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01134-00243819-00243994 really triggered something in me I've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01135-00243996-00244217 had counseling of my own I think it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01136-00244217-00244379 important that we recognize you know we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01137-00244380-00244628 we're human beings and so sometimes we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01138-00244629-00244865 need to do that you know it's not enough EjzbqBQIHJ4-01139-00244866-00245138 to just say and I think often in in GP EjzbqBQIHJ4-01140-00245139-00245410 land you know people going on counseling EjzbqBQIHJ4-01141-00245411-00245684 that it's important to acknowledge that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01142-00245685-00245942 sometimes it's really helpful yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-01143-00245942-00246194 absolutely I mean it just means we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01144-00246194-00246281 human yeah EjzbqBQIHJ4-01145-00246282-00246437 and that's where that's supervision EjzbqBQIHJ4-01146-00246438-00246748 seeking supervision hmm and not just one EjzbqBQIHJ4-01147-00246750-00246953 supervise but our supervisors or a range EjzbqBQIHJ4-01148-00246954-00247091 of people that can respond to different EjzbqBQIHJ4-01149-00247092-00247192 aspects of your life EjzbqBQIHJ4-01150-00247194-00247616 mentors be seen like 99% of my practices EjzbqBQIHJ4-01151-00247617-00247859 around grief and trauma and we have a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01152-00247860-00248044 wonderful positive approach in our EjzbqBQIHJ4-01153-00248046-00248237 office as we know we know that every EjzbqBQIHJ4-01154-00248238-00248411 single clinician that we work with is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01155-00248412-00248591 going to have some tricky complex EjzbqBQIHJ4-01156-00248592-00248741 clients all day we might have four or EjzbqBQIHJ4-01157-00248742-00249086 five very very tricky situations at the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01158-00249087-00249188 end of the day or in the middle of the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01159-00249189-00249359 day we catch each other in the corridor EjzbqBQIHJ4-01160-00249360-00249646 and we just stop we never just go home EjzbqBQIHJ4-01161-00249648-00249821 you know whatever we just make a point EjzbqBQIHJ4-01162-00249821-00250021 of stopping and be mindful and just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01163-00250023-00250250 acknowledging the other and you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01164-00250251-00250523 this is a research that I think was EjzbqBQIHJ4-01165-00250523-00250736 Hurricane Katrina and you know one of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01166-00250737-00250958 those big you say USA hospitals but they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01167-00250959-00251119 had lots and lots of people who were EjzbqBQIHJ4-01168-00251121-00251315 sort of injuries it was just crowded it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01169-00251316-00251596 was hot with all four yeah okay um and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01170-00251598-00251834 that they did this thing where they said EjzbqBQIHJ4-01171-00251835-00252056 all you have to do as clinicians and and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01172-00252057-00252251 actually wasn't just clinicians it was EjzbqBQIHJ4-01173-00252252-00252506 sort of staff as well like cleaners and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01174-00252507-00252764 you know trolley people and you just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01175-00252765-00252935 have to make eye contact and smile at EjzbqBQIHJ4-01176-00252936-00253178 someone else who works here okay that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01177-00253179-00253376 all you have to do and you feel within EjzbqBQIHJ4-01178-00253377-00253601 ten feet of them because it's an EjzbqBQIHJ4-01179-00253602-00253751 American research if you within ten feet EjzbqBQIHJ4-01180-00253752-00253973 of them you have to say hello right EjzbqBQIHJ4-01181-00253973-00254255 that's it let's see that's engaging okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-01182-00254256-00254537 I contact engage and then and and then EjzbqBQIHJ4-01183-00254538-00254615 they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01184-00254616-00254837 didn't actually ask the clinicians and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01185-00254838-00255044 people who work there the staff how they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01186-00255044-00255335 felt they asked the patients what their EjzbqBQIHJ4-01187-00255336-00255500 experience of being in the hospital was EjzbqBQIHJ4-01188-00255501-00255671 okay and they compared it to another EjzbqBQIHJ4-01189-00255671-00255809 major hospital where they didn't do that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01190-00255810-00256031 intervention how interesting EjzbqBQIHJ4-01191-00256032-00256361 but answer key patients absolutely EjzbqBQIHJ4-01192-00256362-00256592 but isn't that so key it's a quality of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01193-00256592-00256760 human relationship that's it and just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01194-00256761-00256967 helping people to re-engage and find EjzbqBQIHJ4-01195-00256967-00257213 that space that's it yeah and so and you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01196-00257214-00257327 know when you were saying about the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01197-00257328-00257513 receptionist you know a receptionist who EjzbqBQIHJ4-01198-00257514-00257746 comes in and just she's busy she's done EjzbqBQIHJ4-01199-00257748-00257864 something else you know but she just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01200-00257865-00258035 makes eye contact and smile hi be with EjzbqBQIHJ4-01201-00258036-00258173 you in a minute you know what I mean EjzbqBQIHJ4-01202-00258173-00258353 like that's all that you need when EjzbqBQIHJ4-01203-00258354-00258554 someone is really distressed to bring EjzbqBQIHJ4-01204-00258555-00258833 their cortex down absolutely mm-hmm you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01205-00258834-00259004 know isn't it interesting I think is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01206-00259005-00259307 that we've got to as clinicians also be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01207-00259308-00259625 very aware of the dsm-5 our diagnostic EjzbqBQIHJ4-01208-00259626-00259823 criteria class of emotions because EjzbqBQIHJ4-01209-00259823-00260107 there's the new diagnostic criteria of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01210-00260108-00260327 prolonged grief disorder yep and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01211-00260328-00260596 complicated grief and traumatic grief so EjzbqBQIHJ4-01212-00260598-00260723 I think we've got to be really mindful EjzbqBQIHJ4-01213-00260723-00260984 of the you know what the difference EjzbqBQIHJ4-01214-00260985-00261290 between perhaps clinical depression and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01215-00261291-00261458 what complicated grief disorder might be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01216-00261459-00261653 or prolonged grief disorder yeah so I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01217-00261654-00261817 think it's really key to that we're very EjzbqBQIHJ4-01218-00261819-00262021 aware and we can actually do some EjzbqBQIHJ4-01219-00262023-00262265 education for people around what EjzbqBQIHJ4-01220-00262266-00262580 prolonged grief disorder one of those EjzbqBQIHJ4-01221-00262581-00262862 wonderful sli's yeah - pounding go to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01222-00262863-00262988 the neither difference that's right EjzbqBQIHJ4-01223-00262989-00263162 since we've got some slides and we've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01224-00263163-00263441 got some references but you can access EjzbqBQIHJ4-01225-00263442-00263630 as well but you know you've got that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01226-00263631-00263828 lovely slide we've got the ICD a lesson EjzbqBQIHJ4-01227-00263829-00264008 classification as well as the DSD EjzbqBQIHJ4-01228-00264009-00264245 survived and that sort of you know get EjzbqBQIHJ4-01229-00264246-00264395 some prompts as to what you're sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01230-00264396-00264572 looking for but what I love to use it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01231-00264573-00264716 for moniker is when I'm writing back to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01232-00264717-00264848 the GP because as you know under a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01233-00264849-00264971 mental health treatment plan we've got EjzbqBQIHJ4-01234-00264972-00265166 to do and I love it I absolutely love it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01235-00265167-00265490 although it's it's a very time a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01236-00265491-00265907 neighbor of love um and I must have a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01237-00265908-00266057 bit of a dig at the GPS I don't get EjzbqBQIHJ4-01238-00266058-00266291 anything back from JP's I would love a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01239-00266292-00266450 little back when a play or just a quick EjzbqBQIHJ4-01240-00266451-00266657 you know any worry about that like we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01241-00266658-00266849 not taught to do that I wish you would EjzbqBQIHJ4-01242-00266850-00267083 gosh you know I thought cuz I was right EjzbqBQIHJ4-01243-00267084-00267269 after the first session he does EjzbqBQIHJ4-01244-00267270-00267461 accession and then towards the end of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01245-00267462-00267604 the tenth session and I do the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01246-00267605-00267868 let's take a little sort of side issue a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01247-00267869-00268199 little side box okay when we're dealing EjzbqBQIHJ4-01248-00268200-00268340 with all the other specialists that we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01249-00268341-00268571 deal with okay if I write to a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01250-00268572-00268820 specialist and refer someone okay and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01251-00268821-00268979 then the specialist writes back to me EjzbqBQIHJ4-01252-00268980-00269138 and every time that patient goes to see EjzbqBQIHJ4-01253-00269139-00269288 the specialists suspicious then writes EjzbqBQIHJ4-01254-00269289-00269513 back to me the specialist the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01255-00269514-00269723 cardiologist the renal physician you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01256-00269724-00269978 know that the the neurologist they'd EjzbqBQIHJ4-01257-00269979-00270230 feel really like why is Monica writing EjzbqBQIHJ4-01258-00270231-00270296 to me EjzbqBQIHJ4-01259-00270297-00270470 she's already referred unless it's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01260-00270471-00270608 referral please continue to see this EjzbqBQIHJ4-01261-00270609-00270791 person or or a change of meta like EjzbqBQIHJ4-01262-00270792-00270956 something's just such things change EjzbqBQIHJ4-01263-00270957-00271112 something really drastically has changed EjzbqBQIHJ4-01264-00271113-00271292 okay and I need that specialist to know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01265-00271293-00272327 about it they would be kind of going but EjzbqBQIHJ4-01266-00272328-00272602 what I find in mental health spaces EjzbqBQIHJ4-01267-00272603-00272888 therapy and I'm doing stuff and I know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01268-00272889-00273011 they're going back to their GP because EjzbqBQIHJ4-01269-00273012-00273137 you're reviewing them especially if EjzbqBQIHJ4-01270-00273138-00273293 they're on medication and you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01271-00273294-00273452 reviewing the effectiveness or otherwise EjzbqBQIHJ4-01272-00273453-00273635 and then I'm saying look I'm doing some EjzbqBQIHJ4-01273-00273636-00273842 CBT bit of acceptance and commitment and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01274-00273843-00274016 maybe I'm using some group I'd like to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01275-00274017-00274229 Shelly you know I might write to the GP EjzbqBQIHJ4-01276-00274230-00274433 and say look I've actually reviewed the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01277-00274434-00274661 clients story look at this and I would EjzbqBQIHJ4-01278-00274662-00274790 like to put to you that maybe there's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01279-00274791-00274982 some grief happening here because I've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01280-00274983-00275132 written to a few GPS and putting the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01281-00275133-00275273 diagnostic criteria for a complicated EjzbqBQIHJ4-01282-00275274-00275456 grief disorder or prolonged grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-01283-00275457-00275690 disorder or whatever traumatic grief so EjzbqBQIHJ4-01284-00275691-00275888 I'd like to consider the perhaps that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01285-00275889-00276113 this could be a differential diagnosis EjzbqBQIHJ4-01286-00276114-00276377 or a possibility and maybe medication is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01287-00276378-00276635 not best practice for this person they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01288-00276636-00276848 may be presenting like chronic EjzbqBQIHJ4-01289-00276849-00277145 depression however perhaps it's not best EjzbqBQIHJ4-01290-00277146-00277262 practice for this particular EjzbqBQIHJ4-01291-00277263-00277439 presentation and I'm just couldn't EjzbqBQIHJ4-01292-00277440-00277703 wondering or curious what could be and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01293-00277704-00277907 you put it out to the ether Irene if I'm EjzbqBQIHJ4-01294-00277908-00278027 really consider I'll always ring a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01295-00278028-00278270 doctor Gillian I think it's the best EjzbqBQIHJ4-01296-00278271-00278564 thing okay yeah so if you want I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-01297-00278565-00278836 um and even my colleagues who were EjzbqBQIHJ4-01298-00278837-00279101 psychologists okay and they will say EjzbqBQIHJ4-01299-00279102-00279248 like if they really want to communicate EjzbqBQIHJ4-01300-00279249-00279464 with the GP you know looking GP is out EjzbqBQIHJ4-01301-00279465-00279605 there I might be speaking out of turn EjzbqBQIHJ4-01302-00279606-00279869 okay and social workers yeah you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01303-00279870-00280043 just just do the read out there better EjzbqBQIHJ4-01304-00280044-00280154 time if you really want to communicate EjzbqBQIHJ4-01305-00280155-00280361 with the GP don't worry for the GP to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01306-00280362-00280595 write to you or bring you pick up the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01307-00280596-00280705 phone EjzbqBQIHJ4-01308-00280706-00280849 I'm calling you because of bla bla bla EjzbqBQIHJ4-01309-00280850-00281095 just losing you know you think what do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01310-00281096-00281401 you think okay um and I think because of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01311-00281402-00281881 the GP I mean I do remember really um it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01312-00281882-00282079 was so wonderful to when someone rang me EjzbqBQIHJ4-01313-00282080-00282283 up and said this is what I think because EjzbqBQIHJ4-01314-00282284-00282559 that's a GP I know a little bit about a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01315-00282560-00282847 lot of things okay and and the people EjzbqBQIHJ4-01316-00282848-00283173 are referring to know a lot about a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01317-00283174-00283480 narrow field because that's really what EjzbqBQIHJ4-01318-00283481-00283807 a specialist is right um and so when a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01319-00283808-00283981 specialist then contacts me and they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01320-00283982-00284098 know a lot that means that I don't have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01321-00284099-00284280 to use my brain to fit any more stuff EjzbqBQIHJ4-01322-00284281-00284614 and my brains only limited okay it's got EjzbqBQIHJ4-01323-00284615-00284887 lots of little bits okay and so that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01324-00284888-00285199 why a phone call to say I think this and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01325-00285200-00285379 I think that what you using and what do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01326-00285380-00285523 you think and I think this would be best EjzbqBQIHJ4-01327-00285524-00285790 practice and then the GP can either you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01328-00285791-00285982 know I mean the GP might not agree but EjzbqBQIHJ4-01329-00285983-00286135 at least you know you've put it out EjzbqBQIHJ4-01330-00286136-00286339 there is a healthy discussion and they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01331-00286340-00286513 were aware of it yeah if you put it in a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01332-00286514-00286843 letter sometimes it doesn't register mmm EjzbqBQIHJ4-01333-00286844-00287236 it slips in under the radar true so EjzbqBQIHJ4-01334-00287237-00287359 that's really important that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01335-00287360-00287533 collaborative and if we won't have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01336-00287534-00287719 patients to their clients patients to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01337-00287720-00287770 get better EjzbqBQIHJ4-01338-00287771-00288016 yeah and or to feel that life has more EjzbqBQIHJ4-01339-00288017-00288196 meaning yeah and that they can live with EjzbqBQIHJ4-01340-00288197-00288382 this thing that's happening to them EjzbqBQIHJ4-01341-00288383-00288559 that's right yeah and they know that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01342-00288560-00288730 they've got some new skills and new EjzbqBQIHJ4-01343-00288731-00288928 strategies because I've been say to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01344-00288929-00289135 people look you know if you you can't EjzbqBQIHJ4-01345-00289136-00289315 just take the same strategy or the same EjzbqBQIHJ4-01346-00289316-00289462 tool for you toolkit you know you the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01347-00289463-00289675 toolkit analogy you wouldn't just do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01348-00289676-00289825 mindfulness every time you feel a bit EjzbqBQIHJ4-01349-00289826-00290083 anxious so you might need some fifties EjzbqBQIHJ4-01350-00290084-00290272 not minutes therapy everything that's no EjzbqBQIHJ4-01351-00290273-00290434 it's not absolutely really good three EjzbqBQIHJ4-01352-00290435-00290779 good yeah but you know you need a range EjzbqBQIHJ4-01353-00290780-00290929 of tools so that when you've got a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01354-00290930-00291118 problem is we're just not teaching EjzbqBQIHJ4-01355-00291119-00291301 people to fix this problem today are EjzbqBQIHJ4-01356-00291302-00291505 actually helping them to fix that can EjzbqBQIHJ4-01357-00291506-00291742 recognize that feeling and think when EjzbqBQIHJ4-01358-00291743-00291883 something else happens are that was EjzbqBQIHJ4-01359-00291884-00292099 similar to that feeling so then they've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01360-00292100-00292330 got tools then I come in and check in am EjzbqBQIHJ4-01361-00292331-00292537 i doing the right ladies right and our EjzbqBQIHJ4-01362-00292538-00292708 job is to say what if you I love that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01363-00292709-00292918 bathe because it's how are you handling EjzbqBQIHJ4-01364-00292919-00293038 this and how are you handling EjzbqBQIHJ4-01365-00293039-00293140 what are you doing cuz that's a real EjzbqBQIHJ4-01366-00293141-00293287 positive things separating the person EjzbqBQIHJ4-01367-00293288-00293444 from the problem isn't it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01368-00293445-00293635 and I think you know as you're saying EjzbqBQIHJ4-01369-00293636-00293782 about you know things happen again and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01370-00293783-00294205 again as a GP I know that you know I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01371-00294206-00294478 mean talking to other GPS and our EjzbqBQIHJ4-01372-00294479-00294671 experience and you know when a young EjzbqBQIHJ4-01373-00294672-00294910 person who we're looking after gets a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01374-00294911-00295060 really serious illness like you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01375-00295061-00295337 young man with a melanoma and everything EjzbqBQIHJ4-01376-00295338-00295510 that you do in the specialist - it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01377-00295511-00295759 doesn't work and he dies when when a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01378-00295760-00296005 child dies when when someone you know a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01379-00296006-00296195 patient a family I looked after for EjzbqBQIHJ4-01380-00296196-00296366 years and years and they were gorgeous EjzbqBQIHJ4-01381-00296367-00296557 you know like three young girls and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01382-00296558-00296801 their parents and there was a horrific EjzbqBQIHJ4-01383-00296802-00297101 car accident and the girls survived with EjzbqBQIHJ4-01384-00297102-00297256 the parents died and you know what I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01385-00297257-00297464 mean like the impact that it has on us EjzbqBQIHJ4-01386-00297465-00297784 okay that's that's our own grief that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01387-00297785-00298057 our own loss and it will happen it will EjzbqBQIHJ4-01388-00298058-00298279 continue to happen throughout our EjzbqBQIHJ4-01389-00298280-00298582 working life and so it's that thing EjzbqBQIHJ4-01390-00298583-00298780 about you know developing strategies EjzbqBQIHJ4-01391-00298781-00298997 that we can actually use each time EjzbqBQIHJ4-01392-00298998-00299213 having people that we can check in with EjzbqBQIHJ4-01393-00299214-00299465 that we can that can support us through EjzbqBQIHJ4-01394-00299466-00299768 through that process having body based EjzbqBQIHJ4-01395-00299769-00299969 things like yoga you know there's you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01396-00299970-00300221 know we're getting someone in hopefully EjzbqBQIHJ4-01397-00300222-00300392 and throughout the year to talk on EjzbqBQIHJ4-01398-00300393-00300626 trauma-informed yoga like all of these EjzbqBQIHJ4-01399-00300627-00300812 sorts of things that are really helpful EjzbqBQIHJ4-01400-00300813-00300989 to help us to deal with the difficulties EjzbqBQIHJ4-01401-00300990-00301175 of life in general EjzbqBQIHJ4-01402-00301176-00301373 you just mentioned something really EjzbqBQIHJ4-01403-00301374-00301568 interesting then about that car accident EjzbqBQIHJ4-01404-00301569-00301787 and just see just what went through my EjzbqBQIHJ4-01405-00301788-00302051 mind then is that severe trauma going EjzbqBQIHJ4-01406-00302052-00302305 back to traumatic grief when there is a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01407-00302306-00302581 trauma if we understand what's going on EjzbqBQIHJ4-01408-00302582-00302778 in a person's mind where they might have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01409-00302779-00303017 disassociated and just one thing I say EjzbqBQIHJ4-01410-00303018-00303170 to everybody I lecture I talked to about EjzbqBQIHJ4-01411-00303171-00303317 grief is there's no such thing as denial EjzbqBQIHJ4-01412-00303318-00303457 I want to get denial out of the grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-01413-00303458-00303776 language nobody denies that something EjzbqBQIHJ4-01414-00303777-00303910 has changed nobody EjzbqBQIHJ4-01415-00303911-00304151 we might dissociate so we just separate EjzbqBQIHJ4-01416-00304152-00304298 ourself from it because it's said the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01417-00304299-00304490 brain stops us physically and expresser EjzbqBQIHJ4-01418-00304491-00304724 we dissociate and distance it's a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01419-00304725-00304957 survival survival strategy but to say to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01420-00304958-00305179 someone which i think is very judgmental EjzbqBQIHJ4-01421-00305180-00305366 pro jority and subjected to say you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01422-00305367-00305581 in denial or for us to be whispering to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01423-00305582-00305849 each other they're in denial hated as a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01424-00305850-00306074 phrase haters a phrase and I think it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01425-00306075-00306283 very judgmental of people whereas if we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01426-00306284-00306454 say that they're distancing from the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01427-00306455-00306631 grief or it was so traumatic that the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01428-00306632-00306724 brain EjzbqBQIHJ4-01429-00306725-00306865 she's segmented that traumatic EjzbqBQIHJ4-01430-00306866-00307078 experience off because it's just too EjzbqBQIHJ4-01431-00307079-00307255 traumatic to actually get into the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01432-00307256-00307474 rocket separates as we know in trauma EjzbqBQIHJ4-01433-00307475-00307708 that the the thinking part of the brain EjzbqBQIHJ4-01434-00307709-00308005 separates the emotive reaction to it out EjzbqBQIHJ4-01435-00308006-00308212 so that we can actually we could EjzbqBQIHJ4-01436-00308213-00308449 intellectualize the loss without having EjzbqBQIHJ4-01437-00308450-00308623 the experience the emotive experience EjzbqBQIHJ4-01438-00308624-00308737 which is where you know that very EjzbqBQIHJ4-01439-00308738-00308959 specialized trauma therapy comes in like EjzbqBQIHJ4-01440-00308960-00309187 exposure or EMDR other therapies to help EjzbqBQIHJ4-01441-00309188-00309367 with that reconnection of the emotion EjzbqBQIHJ4-01442-00309368-00309666 with the the actual you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01443-00309667-00309913 intellectualizing of it yes so I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-01444-00309914-00310036 we must be mindful too if someone EjzbqBQIHJ4-01445-00310037-00310168 doesn't have a reaction that we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01446-00310169-00310390 expecting mmm that we're not judging EjzbqBQIHJ4-01447-00310391-00310528 them for and say ah well you know you're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01448-00310529-00310792 in denial or that there's a depression EjzbqBQIHJ4-01449-00310793-00310954 or something else happening we could EjzbqBQIHJ4-01450-00310955-00311110 actually just say that this must be so EjzbqBQIHJ4-01451-00311111-00311308 traumatic because the definition you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01452-00311309-00311554 know of trauma especially in chronic or EjzbqBQIHJ4-01453-00311555-00311896 chronic traumatization is somewhere you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01454-00311897-00312178 feel helpless hopeless and having no EjzbqBQIHJ4-01455-00312179-00312415 control of a situation triggers if it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01456-00312416-00312640 has a lot of meaning that it triggers a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01457-00312641-00312829 real grief reaction for people and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01458-00312830-00312934 think that's we're going to be really EjzbqBQIHJ4-01459-00312935-00313168 mindful and help people educator said EjzbqBQIHJ4-01460-00313169-00313273 just don't know what's wrong what's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01461-00313274-00313414 wrong with me I'm not feeling anything EjzbqBQIHJ4-01462-00313415-00313639 and doesn't mean you're in denial it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01463-00313640-00313816 just means your brain is just must have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01464-00313817-00314080 been so traumatic for you and I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-01465-00314081-00314266 that's really yeah it's something else EjzbqBQIHJ4-01466-00314267-00314533 to keep in mind it's field is such a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01467-00314534-00314758 tricky I was sort of aware of the time EjzbqBQIHJ4-01468-00314759-00314896 and that you know we could go on talking EjzbqBQIHJ4-01469-00314897-00315025 for ages oh okay EjzbqBQIHJ4-01470-00315026-00315274 so I'm just wondering is there anything EjzbqBQIHJ4-01471-00315275-00315628 else that you would like to add you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01472-00315629-00315784 to the conversation that might be useful EjzbqBQIHJ4-01473-00315785-00316101 to anyone listening to this conversation EjzbqBQIHJ4-01474-00316102-00316468 look I think it's just as we're human EjzbqBQIHJ4-01475-00316469-00316876 beings we we feel as our clients do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01476-00316877-00317101 we're not unique we're not special we've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01477-00317102-00317212 got a little bit of knowledge they've EjzbqBQIHJ4-01478-00317213-00317335 got their knowledge think we've got to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01479-00317336-00317503 assume that everybody that comes in EjzbqBQIHJ4-01480-00317504-00317710 brings a story brings their own EjzbqBQIHJ4-01481-00317711-00317938 confidence brings their own professional EjzbqBQIHJ4-01482-00317939-00318166 capacity whatever doesn't matter where EjzbqBQIHJ4-01483-00318167-00318391 they are on this scale of life they EjzbqBQIHJ4-01484-00318392-00318571 brings something to that encounter that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01485-00318572-00318700 we've got as human beings and we're EjzbqBQIHJ4-01486-00318701-00318919 human and I think the connection of to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01487-00318920-00319171 human beings over things that we feel EjzbqBQIHJ4-01488-00319172-00319399 intimately like others we all experience EjzbqBQIHJ4-01489-00319400-00319603 loss we've all experienced grief it's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01490-00319604-00319840 the one thing that we all experience and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01491-00319841-00320006 we all go through adjustments to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01492-00320007-00320159 - grief whereas with other mental health EjzbqBQIHJ4-01493-00320160-00320351 presentations we don't all experience EjzbqBQIHJ4-01494-00320352-00320514 schizophrenia we don't all experience EjzbqBQIHJ4-01495-00320515-00320573 paranoia EjzbqBQIHJ4-01496-00320574-00320756 that's wrong but adjustment and grief EjzbqBQIHJ4-01497-00320757-00320951 and coping with loss the things that are EjzbqBQIHJ4-01498-00320952-00321185 that unites us as a human being and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01499-00321186-00321387 think to connect with another whether EjzbqBQIHJ4-01500-00321388-00321596 it's through our body you know their use EjzbqBQIHJ4-01501-00321597-00321794 of self so we're sitting back and just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01502-00321795-00321917 typing at the computer or going well EjzbqBQIHJ4-01503-00321918-00322082 that's interesting but weak actually can EjzbqBQIHJ4-01504-00322083-00322298 lean in we can reflect we can paraphrase EjzbqBQIHJ4-01505-00322299-00322577 we can use our empathetic skills but EjzbqBQIHJ4-01506-00322578-00322751 that actually then gives that person EjzbqBQIHJ4-01507-00322752-00322934 I've been heard I've been listened I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01508-00322935-00323153 think that's you know and you don't have EjzbqBQIHJ4-01509-00323154-00323337 to do a huge boat look you don't have to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01510-00323338-00323516 spend the whole consultation listening EjzbqBQIHJ4-01511-00323517-00323720 you can just listen to someone for 90 EjzbqBQIHJ4-01512-00323721-00323948 seconds and really give them attention EjzbqBQIHJ4-01513-00323949-00324149 and then you know do an empathic EjzbqBQIHJ4-01514-00324150-00324326 interruption just one moment can I just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01515-00324327-00324479 make sure I'm hearing you're correct EjzbqBQIHJ4-01516-00324480-00324639 that so this is what you've just said EjzbqBQIHJ4-01517-00324640-00324974 now we don't have much time so can we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01518-00324975-00325145 just you know and that's what the whole EjzbqBQIHJ4-01519-00325146-00325365 15 minute hours sort of the thing is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01520-00325366-00325568 about and I think that you know as as EjzbqBQIHJ4-01521-00325569-00325757 GPS we do have to do a lot of stuff like EjzbqBQIHJ4-01522-00325758-00326024 in utero you do but but you can sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01523-00326025-00326289 in like you can do the focusing I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-01524-00326290-00326450 just a moment I just need to enter that EjzbqBQIHJ4-01525-00326451-00326642 in the computer and then you know you do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01526-00326643-00326790 your stuff and then you come back to the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01527-00326791-00327056 person and I think you know it sort of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01528-00327057-00327356 from my perspective it's just that life EjzbqBQIHJ4-01529-00327357-00327572 is an ongoing process of working out EjzbqBQIHJ4-01530-00327573-00327765 what works for you as a clinician you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01531-00327766-00327992 know whether you're a GP a social worker EjzbqBQIHJ4-01532-00327993-00328252 or a nurse and occupational therapist EjzbqBQIHJ4-01533-00328253-00328505 you know that there are so many you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01534-00328506-00328643 a psychologist there are so many people EjzbqBQIHJ4-01535-00328644-00328791 who'll be listening in we've got EjzbqBQIHJ4-01536-00328792-00328962 psychiatrist I'm gonna forget people EjzbqBQIHJ4-01537-00328963-00329258 okay so just sorry about this but but EjzbqBQIHJ4-01538-00329259-00329463 it's it's more about recognizing that we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01539-00329464-00329594 can always sort of learn a little bit EjzbqBQIHJ4-01540-00329595-00329810 more and be gentle with ourselves it is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01541-00329811-00330074 also absolutely the you know the old EjzbqBQIHJ4-01542-00330075-00330329 brené Brown birria will be honest and be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01543-00330330-00330647 vulnerable and example actually that's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01544-00330648-00330830 not really and maybe that's a really EjzbqBQIHJ4-01545-00330831-00331031 great thing to finish on - yeah that we EjzbqBQIHJ4-01546-00331032-00331277 don't have to be know everything yes the EjzbqBQIHJ4-01547-00331278-00331413 beautiful thing that I love about you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01548-00331414-00331622 know the whole approach as a revisions EjzbqBQIHJ4-01549-00331623-00331863 to be curious have all about you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01550-00331864-00332003 it's the art and the science isn't it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01551-00332004-00332214 have all the science know our theories EjzbqBQIHJ4-01552-00332215-00332369 know our therapies have a good you know EjzbqBQIHJ4-01553-00332370-00332552 toolkit of things is so we're not just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01554-00332553-00332756 doing the same that everybody alike EjzbqBQIHJ4-01555-00332757-00332984 Groundhog Day oh yeah same story same EjzbqBQIHJ4-01556-00332985-00333216 treatment it's about each person's EjzbqBQIHJ4-01557-00333217-00333368 unique yeah to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01558-00333369-00333563 curious to be open maybe you could be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01559-00333564-00333716 vulnerable the audience as we say EjzbqBQIHJ4-01560-00333717-00334112 goodbye thank you a lovely way and so be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01561-00334113-00334334 real the and in Brene brown some EjzbqBQIHJ4-01562-00334335-00334439 beautiful thing about being vulnerable EjzbqBQIHJ4-01563-00334440-00334646 being open to vulnerability and to EjzbqBQIHJ4-01564-00334647-00334883 actually acknowledge that we as humans EjzbqBQIHJ4-01565-00334884-00335150 are connecting with other humans and in EjzbqBQIHJ4-01566-00335151-00335273 the whole grief and loss field not be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01567-00335274-00335411 frightened to call something grievances EjzbqBQIHJ4-01568-00335412-00335630 just say I'm curious do you think this EjzbqBQIHJ4-01569-00335631-00335819 could be grief it sounds like this is EjzbqBQIHJ4-01570-00335820-00335999 and rather than going straight to a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01571-00336000-00336233 sense of we don't what's it what's a you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01572-00336234-00336401 know tricky diagnosis am I missing EjzbqBQIHJ4-01573-00336402-00336608 something just be very gentle and I EjzbqBQIHJ4-01574-00336609-00336773 think it's the art and the science of EjzbqBQIHJ4-01575-00336774-00337040 working in this space one final thing EjzbqBQIHJ4-01576-00337041-00337139 those I don't want people to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01577-00337140-00337328 frightened we all should do grief and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01578-00337329-00337523 loss as part of our clinical repertoire EjzbqBQIHJ4-01579-00337524-00337688 instead of thinking I need to find a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01580-00337689-00337892 grief specialist I would like every EjzbqBQIHJ4-01581-00337893-00338045 clinician regardless of where you are EjzbqBQIHJ4-01582-00338046-00338249 whatever qualification you've got to be EjzbqBQIHJ4-01583-00338250-00338444 able to sit comfortably and say I can do EjzbqBQIHJ4-01584-00338445-00338687 grief therapy grief therapy is just EjzbqBQIHJ4-01585-00338688-00338954 understanding how grief intersects EjzbqBQIHJ4-01586-00338955-00339158 similar to a person's life and how you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01587-00339159-00339377 know perhaps we can help them reframe EjzbqBQIHJ4-01588-00339378-00339647 and acknowledge the grief exists and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01589-00339648-00339803 it's not just about deaths I think EjzbqBQIHJ4-01590-00339804-00339941 that's you know that we can all do it EjzbqBQIHJ4-01591-00339942-00340088 and not just think I've got to keep EjzbqBQIHJ4-01592-00340089-00340337 referring off to specialists we do need EjzbqBQIHJ4-01593-00340338-00340580 them but perhaps we all need to be able EjzbqBQIHJ4-01594-00340581-00340754 to sit comfortably in this space with EjzbqBQIHJ4-01595-00340755-00341048 people but Monica this is been an EjzbqBQIHJ4-01596-00341049-00341308 amazing opportunity actually sit with a EjzbqBQIHJ4-01597-00341309-00341561 someone I haven't met before today oh EjzbqBQIHJ4-01598-00341562-00341741 you know we've spoken on the phone but EjzbqBQIHJ4-01599-00341742-00341885 this has been delightful so thank you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01600-00341886-00342065 very much you're in sightings you and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01601-00342066-00342209 thank you to everyone in the audience EjzbqBQIHJ4-01602-00342210-00342368 and I hope that it's been helpful and EjzbqBQIHJ4-01603-00342369-00342632 I'm taking away bathe and the 15 minute EjzbqBQIHJ4-01604-00342633-00342803 hour and I'm taking away a lot from EjzbqBQIHJ4-01605-00342804-00343166 today and that tada moment I like thank EjzbqBQIHJ4-01606-00343167-00343259 you so much for today EjzbqBQIHJ4-01607-00343260-00343463 really exciting I hope we do it again EjzbqBQIHJ4-01608-00343464-00343757 yeah okay thank you EjzbqBQIHJ4-01609-00343758-00344632 thank you bye EjzbqBQIHJ4-01610-00344633-00344839 you