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So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida?

I've seen a film of it, my memory may be faulty, but as I remember it the vehicle was slightly over a meter long, with a thick baseplate 30-40 cm in diameter. I think the narrative said it was propelled by dynamite sticks. There were four detonations within about 2 s, the second coming after about 2 m of flight in. Max altitude seemed to be on the order of 50 m, but that is hard to judge.

Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people *before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this?

Hi all, could someone please tell me if there are drivers for windows 3.1 for the new soundblaster 2.0. Or will the 1.5 drivers be sufficient? I would be appreciate any info.

How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious.

1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes and game reports. ------------------------------------------------- Kings 6 @ Calgary Flames 3 - 04/18/93 The third place Kings opened the 1993 Stanley Cup Playoffs in Calgary, against the second place Flames and came out with an impressive 6-3 victory in front of a non-sellout crowd of 18,605 at the Saddledome in Calgary. Symthe Division playoff hockey this was. Both teams seemed a bit tense in the opening period though the Kings scored off the opening face-off. The Kings got into the flow of the game much earlier than the Flames as they played out- standing team defense. It took the Flames 9:45 of the first period to record their first shot on goal. The Kings, ranked 16th of the 16 playoff teams on penalty killing, shut down the Flames. The Flames went 0-8 on the power play and could record only 8 shot on goal in those 8 opportunities. The Kings had their problems on the power play, yet they did manager to score 2 goals in 10 tries. The Kings forwards back-checked while the defense stood the Flames up at the blue line, allowing the Kings to take took the home ice advantage away from the Flames. Rob Blake missed the game due to the lower back contusion but is ex- pected to be in the lineup on Wednesday. Wayne Gretzky suffered a charlie horse in his right leg. He took a few shifts in the second period before retiring to the dressing room for the rest of the game. Interviewed on the radio this morning, he stated that he was fine and would be in the lineup on Wednesday. 1st period: 1-0. The Kings got things started right off the opening face-off. Gretzky won the draw with the puck going to Sydor. He crossed center ice and slapped the puck into the Flames zone and behind the net. The puck carried around to the far side where Robitaille wacked at it and the rebound bounced to Sandstrom. He put the puck behind the Flames net where Gretzky picked it up. Gretzky set up in 'his office', moved to the near side and passed into the near circle where Sydor had moved in. Sydor, who got the puck between the face-off dot and the hash mark, shot off the pass, beating Vernon low and between the legs. Millen and Fleury went off at 4:57. Skrudland went off at 12:25 but the Kings failed to convert. Carson went off at 14:53 and the Flames failed to convert. Dahlquist went off at 18:34 and Dahl went off at 19:30, giving the Kings a 30 second 5on3 which they failed to convert. The Kings recorded 2 goal posts in the period. 2nd period: The Kings opened with a 5on3 carried over from the 1st period which they failed to convert on. With 6 seconds left in the 5on4, Vernon put a bouncing puck into the stands and received a delay of game. 1-1. Calgary evened the score on the ensuing Kings power play. Kurri, with the puck in the neutral zone, tried to put the puck into the Flames zone but it hit the stick of Fleury and bounced to Suter at the Flames blue line. Suter skated down the near wing and into the Kings zone. He faked a shot at the circle and skated around Kurri. As he cut thorugh the crease, he got Hrudey to go with him and he put the puck behind Hrudey, on his stick side for a short hander. 2-1. The Kings reclaimed the lead 25 seconds later on the same power play. Shuchuk, in the far circle passed to Sydor at the top of the slot and headed for the net. Sydors shot hit Shuchuk in the back and dropped into the low slot where 2 Kings (Shuchuk and Granato) were being checked by 3 Flames. Carson came from the far corner, picked up the loose puck and snapped a wrist shot between the legs of Vernon from 5 feet above the crease. 3-1. The Kings widened their lead just 24 seconds later. Rychel was checked off the puck at the Flames blue line. Taylor picked up the puck and sent a pass cross the slot to Huddy. Huddy shot off the pass, from the near face-off dot, beating a diving Vernon on the glove side. 4-1. 2:59 later, the Kings had a 3 goal lead. McSorley took a shot form the near point that hit a Flame and deflected towards the boards. Marty got his own rebound, skated to the bottom of the circle and sent a pass into the low slot that hit Dahlquist on the leg and deflected past the stick of Vernon. Skrudland went off at 10:53 but the Kings could not convert. Sydor went off at 12:35 and Watters went off at 14:40, giving the Flames a 5 second 5-3 but they failed to convert. McSorley went off at 17:19 and the Flames had 3 consecutive power plays but the Flames killed it themselves when Suter went off for high sticking at 17:31. Sandstrom went off at 18:03 to close out the period. The Kings hit 3 goal post in the period. 3rd period: The Kings used the phrase "Initiate, not retaliate" and it was very evident here in the 3rd period as the Kings continued to pound the body and the Flames continued to take bad penalties to take themselves out of the game. 5-1. The Kings extended their lead to 4 goals at the 1:06 mark. The Kings shot the puck into the near corner of the Flames zone. Vernon went behind the net to cut off the puck but he could not control it. Donnelly, who was behind him, wacked at the puck, sending it into the low slot. As Vernon slid back in to the crease, Granato got a shot that hit a Flame and bounced to the left of the net where Millen fired the rebound behind Vernon. Sydor went off at 1:24; Nieuwendyk went off at 3:22 as the teams skated 4 on 4. 5-2. Otto, skating down the far side, stepped around McSorley, cut to the net and passed to Dahlquist in the low slot. Dahlquist cut through the top of the crease and put the puck in under a diving Hrudey. Carson and Rychel came in on a 2-1. When Carson passed across to Rychel, Fleury tripped Rychel with no call. The puck got shoveled into the far corner where Fleury knocked Rychel down and checked him from behind into the boards, drawing a 5-minute major and a game misconduct at the 6:08 mark. Unfortunately, the Kings squandered the 5 minute power play when Granato (at 6:44) and Watters (at 8:19) took penalties. 5-3. The Flames closed to within 2 at the 8:47 mark. MacInnis, at the near point, passed to Yawney at the far point. He took a few strides towards the net, wound up and drove a shot off the near post and in over the glove of Hrudey. The play started on another faceoff that the Kings lost. Timeout - LA. 6-3. MacInnis took a penalty at 9:56 and the Kings converted on the power play to seal the victory. Sandstrom, skating down the far wing in the Flames zone cut towards the back of the net. Just as he crossed the goal line, he passed the puck into the low slot, on the far side, to Carson who shot off the pass, beating Vernon on the ice, stick side. At the 16:17 mark, Skrudland went off for slashing and Stern went crazy as he went after Shuchuk. Stern wound up with a double minor for roughing, a single minor for cross checking and a 10 minute misconduct, and he took the Flames right out of the game. On the plus side: The Kings, for the most part, played very disciplined hockey as they let Calgary retaliate. The Kings played good team defense and excellent penalty killing. On the minus side: The Kings lost almost every face-off. This must improve or the Flames will surely get that power play back on track. Notes: ------ The Kings recalled Guy Leveque, Brandy Semchuk and Jim Thomson from Phoenix. Wayne Gretzkys 1st period assist was his 307th career playoff point. The Kings entered the game 24th in the league in shots per game against, giving the opposing team an average of 34.4 shots per game. Flames goaltender Mike Vernon entered the game with a 3-9-1 record in afternoon games. The Flames entered the game with a 34% success rate on the power play over their last 9 games. The teams were 3-3-1 against each other in the regular season. Playoffs: Campbell Conference: Smythe Division: LA 6 @ CAL 3 LA leads 1-0 WIN @ VAN Norris Division: STL 4 @ CHI 3 STL leads 1-0 TOR @ DET Wales Conference: Adams Division: BUF 5 @ BOS 4 (OT) BUF leads 1-0 MON 2 @ QUE 3 (OT) QUE leads 1-0 Patrick Division: NJ 3 @ PIT 6 PIT leads 1-0 NYI 1 @ WAS 3 WAS leads 1-0 Records: -------- vs Smythe Norris Patrck Adams Overall ================================================ Home: 0- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0- 0-0 Road: 1- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 1- 0-0 ============================================================== Total: 1- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 1- 0-0 Box Score: ========================= Calgary 0 1 2 - 3 Los Angeles 1 3 2 - 6 ========================= 1st period: LA Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom), 0:16 LA Millen - high sticking, 4:57 CAL Fleury - high sticking, 4:57 CAL Skrudland - interference, 12:25 LA Carson - tripping 14:53 CAL Dahlquist - holding stick, 18:34 CAL Dahl - roughing 19:30 2nd period: CAL Verson - delay of game (served by Ashton), 1:34 CAL Suter 1 (Fleury), 2:48 (sh) LA Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor), 3:13 (pp) LA Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel), 3:37 LA McSorley 1 (unassisted), 6:36 CAL Skrudland - elbowing, 10:53 LA Sydor - tripping, 12:35 LA Watters- hooking, 14:40 LA McSorley - holding, 17:19 CAL Suter - high sticking, 17:31 LA Sandstrom - hooking, 18:03 3rd period: LA Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly), 1:06 LA Sydor - hooking, 1:24 CAL Nieuwendyk - tripping, 3:22 CAL Dahlquist 1 (Otto), 4:23 CAL Fleury - major (boarding), game misconduct, 6:08 LA Granato - tripping, 6:44 LA Watters - interference, 8:19 CAL Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel), 8:47 CAL MacInnis - roughing, 9:56 LA Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille), 10:32 (pp) LA Hardy - holding, 11:38 CAL Skrudland - slashing, 16:17 CAL Stern - double roughing, cross-checking, 10 min. misconduct, 16:17 Overtime: none Shots: ------ Los Angeles 8 9 14 - 31 Calgary 5 8 11 - 24 Power play conversions: ----------------------- For: 2 of 10; for the year: 2 of 10, 20.00% Against: 0 of 8; for the year: 8 of 8, 100.00% Goalies: -------- Los Angeles - Hrudey (1-0-0) Calgary - Vernon (0-1-0) Attendance: 18,605 Scratches: ---------- Rob Blake - back contusion Guy Leveque - numbers Lonnie Loach - numbers Marc Potvin - numbers Brandy Semchuk - numbers Robb Stauber - numbers Brent Thompson - numbers Jim Thomson - numbers Lines - Forwards: ---------------- *Robitaille - Gretzky - Sandstrom Donnelly - Millen - Kurri Rychel - Conacher - Taylor Granato - Carson - Shuchuk Lines - Defense: ---------------- *Huddy - Sydor Watters - Zhitnik Hardy - McSorley * denotes starting lineup Next game: ---------- Wednesday, April 21 @ Calgary Flames; 6:30pm Pacific Time on Prime Ticket =============================================================================== Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) net contact: L.A. Kings

Two developments have brought these type of activities back to the forefront in 1993. First, in February, the Russians deployed a 20-m reflector from a Progress vehicle after it had departed from the Mir Space Station. While this "Banner" reflector was blank, NPO Energia was very active in reporting that future Banner reflectors will be available to advertisers, who could use a space- based video of their logo or ad printed on the Banner in a TV commercial, as filmed from the Mir. The second development, has been that Space Marketing Inc, the same company responsible for merchandising space on the Conestoga booster and COMET spacecraft, is now pushing the "Environmental Billboard". As laid out by SMI Chief Engineer Dr Ron Humble of the University of Colorado Space Laboratory and Preston Carter of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the "Environmental Billboard" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to 804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area, deployed by the inflatable 'frame'. To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry "ozone reading sensors" to "continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's delicate protective ozone layer," according to Mike Lawson, head of SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere. According to IMI, "as the biodegradable material burns, it will release ozone-building components that will literally replenish the ozone layer." The remaining spacecraft will monitor the atmosphere for another year before it, too, re-enters and burns up and "adds to the ozone supply." This would not be a cheap advertisement, costing at least several millions of dollars (exact costs were not available). But SMI estimates that market exposure would be 3-5X that of the people who watched the SuperBowl, where a 30-second advertising 'unit' cost $600,000. Since SMI is located in Atlanta, Georgia, it is being promoted as being available in time for the opening of the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. But back to Brian's questions: See above. As for serious -- if they can get $15-20 M or so (my estimate of $5-10 for development costs and a flight unit, plus $10-15 M for a launch), then it's probably real. They are claiming to tailor the orbit to overfly specific locations at specific times for optimum advertising impact so they probably can't piggy back upon someone else's planned launch and will have to buy a dedicated launch. That's a $10-15 M cost they need to raise, right there. And there will probably be some legal challenges to this as well. Note there is one potential legal challenge to SMI on the use of launch vehicle advertising already. While I don't think the legal challenges would win out (and yes, I am an amateur astronomer, and no, I don't really like the idea of this additional light pollution, but I know of no prohibition of it...), the legal challenges and court fights would probably remove any positive aspects of the advertising. I can imagine several ways to make the advertisers look like louts for doing this -- which would change positive market exposure to negative market exposure, and negate the space advertising advantage. (Would you spend $15 M to look like an idiot?) (And light pollution might not be too bad -- if it's in a low enough orbit, and it relies upon reflected light only, it would only be visible for a short time just after local dusk and before dawn. For maximum market exposure, you want to have it visible just after dusk --minimizing impact on astronomy, since that's the time of worse seeing due to day/night thermal turbulence. It might still be a problem, but perhaps there are ways to mitigate this...) As for having real funding -- none that I can identify. There were about 60 expressions of interest made on the Conestoga advertising opportunity, but that included curious folks and was for only a $500,000 commitment. I haven't heard of any serious funding for this, but I'm sure they are shopping the venture around looking for some money in order to flesh out the concept some more. But I am confident there are no firm or paying customers at this time. And if anybody wants to cross-post this to sci.astro, please be my guest. I don't have posting privileges to that area (or at least I don't THINK I do...). ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor

Hello, I have the following list of books about ISA/EISA buses: 1. ISA System Architecture by Tom Shanley/Don Anderson MindShare Press, 1993 $34.95 2. EISA System Architecture by Tom Shanley/Don Anderson MindShare Press, 1993 $24.95 3. ISA, EISA: PC,XT,AT,E-ISA,ISA, and EISA I/O timing and specs. by Edward Solari, Copyright 1992 ISBN: 0-929392-15-9 4. AT Bus Design by Edward Solari, Copyright 1990 ISBN: 0-929392-08-6 5. Interfacing to the IBM PC/XT by Eggebrecht, Lewis C. Copyright 1990 Do you have any comments on any of them? Please reply by e-mail,

re: majority of users not readding from floppy. Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current didrectory?

: 8~> I require BGI drivers for Super VGA Displays and Super XVGA Displays. Does : 8~> anyone know where I could obtain the relevant drivers ? (FTP sites ??) : I would like to know too! : Regards, : Dominic garbo.uwasa.fi (or one of its many mirrors) has a file called "svgabg40" in the programming subdirectory. These are svga bgi drivers for a variety of cards. [from the README]: "Card types supported: (SuperVGA drivers) Ahead, ATI, Chips & Tech, Everex, Genoa, Paradise, Oak, Trident (both 8800 and 8900, 9000), Tseng (both 3000 and 4000 chipsets) and Video7. These drivers will also work on video cards with VESA capability. The tweaked drivers will work on any register-compatible VGA card." enjoy, Clark Verbrugge clump@cs.mcgill.ca --

Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but humor us. Thanks for your help.

I'm posting this for a friend that runs a BBS. I'm not sure if its under DOS or Windows. He is interested in a board that has 16 ports on it. In another post, someone suggeted a DigiBoard, but didn't have too much info on it. Could someone give me information on any boards that they know of with the before mentioned configuration. Models. Specifications. Prices. Manufacturers. Thanks, Rob --

#Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism.

And you wrote an *excellent* report about it. I understand (from an unreliable source) that Canseco was considered expendable by the A's when he refused to accept any coaching about his batting stance. The A's brain trust came to believe that his back problems were exacerbated, if not caused, by having a wide open stance, closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque (that's a paraphrase of what I remember). In any event, Canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide his stance, and the A's began to believe that he would either reinjure himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power. Apparently, you sound like LaRussa. The A's also objected about this. Again, I'm just repeating something I heard. But possibly the cause and effect is the reverse of that. -- The Beastmaster

>>>Does the greatly increased rates of incarceration amongst >>>blacks show that they are dysfunctional or that the majority >>>of them support criminal activity? >>> >Isn't this a matter of demographics? Doesn't this simply show >that since criminal behaviour is common (or apt to be common) >in the 18-34 (insert your favorite correct numbers here) year >old range and since the percentage of blacks in this range is >higher than in other groups, then it follows statistically >that more blacks in prison is an expected result? > >Note that I haven't said anything about blacks being given >stiffer or longer sentences than other groups. I'm sure this >has to have an effect on the issue of over-representation of >blacks in prison... Blacks have the same (+- 2%) crime report rate, arrest rate, and incarceration rate for violent crimes. So I doubt that for violent crimes, that there is any inherent bias mechanism present. There is a wider discrepancy for all crimes for blacks wrt to 3 categories. Interestingly enough, the discrepancy is the largest in the Southern United States -- where blacks are incarcerated well BELOW the average in the rest of the United States! Which points to an anti-bias-against wrt blacks. In any case, for violent crimes and burglary and drug selling, blacks are reported 53%, arrested 44%, and are present in jails/prisons 47% (1988). Considering that 12% of the population is black, 6% are black males, and some percentage of that is out of the high/low age groups, we do have a situation where (if I remember my old calculations right) 4% of the population commits almost half of the really nasty crimes. Blacks with similar histories (crime) to whites get the same sentences, except in the South, where they receive around 20% less on paper!! -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh?

April 16, 1993 INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to robust encryption, and law enforcement issues posed by new technology. However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the National Security Agency. The so-called "Clipper Chip" is an 80-bit, split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be classified, but the chips will be available to any manufacturer for incorporation into its communications products. This proposal raises a number of serious concerns . First, the Administration has adopted a solution before conducting an inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper Chip may not be the most secure product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes. Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for the Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards. Second, an algorithm cannot be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet, the Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is open to independent, expert scrutiny. Third, while the use of the use of a split-key, dual escrowed system may prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys? Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive an individual's Fifth Amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? These are but a few of the many questions the Administrations proposal raised but fails to answer. In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy and security. However, the "Clipper Chip" solution ought to be considered as part of the inquiry, and not be adopted before the discussion even begins. DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: ESCROW The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it. Upon presentation of a valid court order, the two escrow agents would have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. According to the Presidential Directive just issued, the Attorney General will be asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration have suggested that one non-law enforcement federal agency (perhaps the Federal Reserve), and one non-governmental organization could be chosen, but there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet. CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS The Administration claims that there are no back doors -- means by which the government or others could break the code without securing keys from the escrow agents -- and that the President will be told there are no back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this, Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be made public. The Clipper Chipset was designed and is being produced and a sole-source, secret contract between the National Security Agency and two private firms: VLSI and Mycotronx. NSA work on this plan has been underway for about four years. The manufacturing contract was let 14 months ago. GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al Gore, and maybe even the President. At today's Commerce Department press briefing, a number of people asked this question, though: why would any private organization or individual adopt a classified standard that had no independent guaranty of security or freedom from trap doors? COMPREHENSIVE POLICY INQUIRY The Administration has also announced that it is about to commence an inquiry into all policy issues related to privacy protection, encryption, and law enforcement. The items to be considered include: export controls on encryption technology and the FBI's Digital Telephony Proposal. It appears that the this inquiry will be conducted by the National Security Council. Unfortunately, however, the Presidential Directive describing the inquiry is classified. Some public involvement in the process has been promised, but they terms have yet to be specified. FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Jerry Berman, Executive Director (jberman@eff.org) Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel (djw@eff.org) Full text of the Press releases and Fact Sheets issued by the Administration will be available on EFF's ftp site.

ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers CONDITION: Mint AGE: 6 months old PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair)

My girlfriend switched to gas-permeable hard lenses and no longer needs a one year old soft contact lens cleaning unit. It's one of those where you pop in the lens case filled with solution and the lenses, press the lighted timer button and let it cook. No stains (of course -- if you've owned one of these, you understand), maybe a little dust on the cover. Best cash offer, or equivalent worth in used CD's or Betamax tapes (some blanks or a couple of pre-recorded movies/concerts). gld

On the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy that can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar. Of course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke)

I knew that Cutie would sell us out. Full-blooded Democrat, he is :-) Seriously folks, if it can happen here (remember? we all got gun racks on our 4x4s), it can happen anywhere. Now to get that letter ready. `Dear Cutie, as one who didn't vote for you, I can sincerely say I am unhappy...' Those who know what's best for us Must try to save us from ourselves -- RUSH --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For Sale: OS/2 2.0 Extended Services - * Extended Database support * Extended Networking Support * Remote Host support * Extended Communication Support PLUS! A copy of OS/2 2.0. The ES package is brand new and uninstalled, all manuals, disks, etc. are included. The ES package retails for $495 with OS/2 2.0 selling for $79 or something like that. I'll let both of them go for $200. My needs changed thus eliminating my need for the package once I bought it. If Interested, please Email me at:

I bought the diamond stealth 24 a few months ago. it seems to be a great card especially with my multimedia presentations. It runs graphics and animation as well as some near full motion video very well. The only thing I can tell that it lacks is speed above 256 colors. Its qualit in between 256 and 16.7 million collors un unreal but you definitly compromise speed. It seems to be a great card for graphics and it comes with some great software, but Im not so sure about the excelerator part. I used to own a paridise and it doesnt seem to be much faster than that. One thing I do like is that it loads its own vesa driver from ROM at startup, (I think) because I have never had to load it for links386 or any other programs that require special VESA drivers at startup. gromi a16pd HINTMATT@BA.BA.ISU.EDU

PLease take these and use them. Take advantage of me... I really don't know what they are worth. Qty 2 - Canoga Perkins Fiber Optic Modems, Model 2250, RS-422 Interface, appear new. I have powered up but that's all, I have not used them and I cannot tell you whether they work or not. Make Offer......... Qty 1 - ISC Datacom RF Modem, Model 1056-TX1-RX5-SM-120, Interface RS-449, Internal Fan, powers up fine but otherwise condition unknown, Phone # for the company is 408-747-0300. Make Offer ............ Qty 1 - Motorola UDS 212 A/D Modem, RS-232 interface appears to work but I have not and cannot check it. Make Offer ............. Thanks and please buy this stuff or it goes out the door

I am working on a project where we are going to be including both still and moving grapics within a database. Of course JPEG and MPEG come to mind as the formats of choice for the various files. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems as if there are several different forms of each of these. What I want to do, is settle on a file format which I can count on as being a standard format 10 years from now. I know Apple is going to support Quicktime on the new Power PC's and, so this may be the format of choice. What format does Apple's Quicktime use for their products? I guess it is some kind of MPEG for their motion picture. Is it any different than standard MPEG files? Thanx for any info!

There was an article on Jewish major leaguers in a recent issue of "Elysian Fields", what used to be the "Minnesota Review of Baseball". As I recall, it had an amazing amount of research, with a long list of players and a large bibliography.

l diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models, and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two (because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have to go with a leftover or "slightly" used model for that price range....tough decision... Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu

Any new reports about iisi clock upgrade to 25 mhz, 33 mhz? Any failures?

--- I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? With highest regards, Babak Sehari.

Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour...

I am looking for a program I can insert into some code that will allow the title bar to be changed on a window dynamicly. If one already is out there, I would appreciate a location so I don't have to create this from scratch.

My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was) On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT! My wife is concerned about this. She saw a TV show a couple months back (something like 20/20 or Dateline NBC, etc.) where an expert on fetal ultrasounds (a radiologist) was showing all the different deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound. Should my wife be concerned? Should we take the pictures to a radiologist for a second opinion? (and if so, where would we find such an expert in Chicago?) We don't really have any special medical reason to be concerned, but if a radiologist will be able to see things the ob-gyn can't, then I don't see why we shouldn't use one. Any thoughts?

??? I've heard about that Italian guy distributing Motif binaries for 386BSD, but I haven't heard of anybody doing the same thing for Linux. ... and I do follow the Linux news group pretty closely. So, have I missed something? I'd LOVE to get hold of Motif libs for Linux for $100!

I have a novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11 for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except the ID card. --

Well, some quick math on my part shows that an 8.3MHz bus, 16 bits wide, performing a transfer every two clock cycles will provide 8.3M bytes/sec. Someone said that it really takes 3 clock cycles to perform a transfer, so that reduces the transfer rate to 5.5MB/s, which is the commonly-used figure for ISA bus speed. However, I believe a two-clock transfer is possible (0 wait states).

And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. IITimothy 2:24-26

So that's why the 13 newly independent states all had tax systems...

Yet again, the escape sequences you are speaking about here are non standard and dangerous. In fact, an ANSI compliant sequence parser HANGS on them. Why are there such strange ESC sequences instead of compatible DSC ?

The NASM photo archives are open to the public. All (or almost all) still pictures in the collection are available for viewing, but I don't know about films. At least it might be worth a try. I'm not sure if appointments are necessary, but I think not. Good luck, and let us know what you find.

Since the losers that sold me the hard disk for my computer are so generous, I need the info to set this drive from master to slave. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please reply via e-mail. Incidentally, avoid purchasing a computer from ACS in Endicott, NY.

Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance.

(forgive any inaccuracies, i deleted the original post) isn't this the same person who wrote the book, and was censured in canada a few years back?

I don't have nor Imagine nor Real 3d, but as old Amiga user I think you should take a look also to Real 3d 2.0 for the Amiga. I saw Imagine 2.0 on the Amiga for a long time at my friend's home, and I've seen R3D 2.0 in action at Bit.Movie 93 in Riccione, Italy (an Italian Computer Graphics Contest). Many professionals using 3d Studio on PC, SoftImage for Silicon Graphics and Imagine on the Amiga were *VERY IMPRESSED* by the power of this programs. Sorry, I've lost the posting with full description of features of this great program. For more informations give a look in comp.sys.amiga.graphics. Representative of Activa International told me that it will be out in 2 weeks for the Amiga and that PC MS-Windows, Silicon Indigo and Unix version are under development. Ciao, Sergio

In the May issue of C't Magazine was an article about upgrading 040 models of apple. They simply change crystals and add a fan. Hammerhead: Centris 610 was able to work with 25 MHz (cooler prefered) and for 1000 DM you get an 68040 (33MHz) which works with the appropriate crystal at full speed. (extra cooling required) Centris 650 like Quadra 700 with extra cooling 33MHz works on most machines and for real power enthusiasts they used a Quadra 950 at 40 MHz wow! But for better description you should get this issue of C't (a german PC magazine!) Christian Bauer

[constitution sacrificed to the bandwidth gods] im glad i finally have heard exactly what the OTO is all about. i finally know that i can stop looking, content i the knowlege that im not interested. it's tough enough listening to all the religions who refer to themselves as "the One Truth". How can i possibly accept it from a magical order? "We have all the Answers and will give them to those who join us (and pay dues)?" Scary. Besides, answers are easy. Questions! now that's another story... rintaw

Ya, he cut me off on 128 the other day, he drives like a crazy person. I'd have to say he's responsible for most accidents, they really should pull his licence. -Steve

Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay. Good thing those walls are so soft, eh Rollie? --

It's not really their _decision_ to be tried. The rulings _do_ have legal consequences, but only in Islamic law and not in UK law (this should be obvious). Enforcing a judgment is distinct from the making of a judgment. Take for example the judgments of the World Court. This is an internationally recognized tribunal whose judgments often have no physical or economic effect but which _are_ important despite the fact that their judgments cannot be enforced Of course, have you read any of this thread before this post? Of course, it is a sort of anarchism. Anarchism is explicitly against Islam. Thank you for your well reasoned response, but it is beside the points I've been making in this thread.

: Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close : one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn : signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and : starts to pass me on the RIGHT. This has happened to me twice before. the I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it. On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are 3 lanes in my direction. One for left turns, one for straight through, and one for right turns. All clearly marked. Plus there is a clearly marked bicycle lane. I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at the stop line. Looking left to see if I can make a "right turn on red" and when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike lane and is trying to pass me on the right. GRRR. I always do a head check on bike lanes. Not always for bicycles. . .

I am not so sure of Jewish proselytism then, but I would like to relate an account of a recent dinner I had with Jews a few months ago. The dinner was instigated by the aunt of the hostess, whom I had met while visiting my wife in Galveston last October. The dear old aunt (now deceased) was very proud of her Jewish heritage, although not especially devout. Her parents were both murdered in Nazi concentration camps in Austria during WWII because they were Jewish. While conversing with her about politics, world affairs and religion, she remarked that it would be a good idea for me to visit her niece on my return to Atlanta. Within two days of returning to Atlanta, her niece called to invite me over for dinner with her husband. I went, not knowing really what to expect, other than stimulating conversation and fellowship. What I got, however, was rather unexpected. The thrust of the evening's discussion was to condemn the Reagan-Bush policies prohibiting abortion counseling in federally funded family planning clinics, prohibiting the sterilization of minorities on welfare here and in Puerto Rico, on the ban on fetal tissue research, and against the Mexico City policy, "which denies U.S. foreign aid to programs overseas that promote abortion." The crux of their position was to place the blame for the problems of "overpopulation," rampant domestic crime, African starvation, unwed mothers, etc., on Christianity, rather on the fall of Adam. Now, this is not what I had to come to talk about. But every time I tried to bring up the subject of Judaism, they would condemn Jews for Jesus and admonish me against converting to Judaism, "because it involves too much study and effort." And I did not even raise the prospect, nor try to convert them to the truth of Christ! There was certainly no Jewish proselytism going on there. And again, last November I toured a "traditional" Jewish synagogue and was subjected to a 30-minute harangue against Jesus and Christianity in general. I realize that these are two isolated incidents, and that the best supervisor I ever had at work is Jewish, but from my experience, the modern Jew is not known for his proselytism. -- boundary

I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver? Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft), and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so. How about measuring vertical distance as well, any chance - or am I getting ridiculous? What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter? Sorry if I'm "mucking up" the network with one of those questions best answered by Bill Willis via US Mail... and I apologize for not being "tuned-in" to electronics. :-)

Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's ~.300 OBP in front of you...

I am not an expert in the cryptography science, but some basic things seem evident to me, things which this Clinton Clipper do not address. The all pertain to opportunites for abuse, and conclusions based on what I have seen the membership of this group (except for two notable persons) agree to. If anything bad is possible by the government in theory, it almost always ends up happening in fact. So the key is to make abuse IMPOSSIBLE. Question authority, and remember power DOES corrupt. I think one has to regard this whole idea in the sense that it WILL be expanded to include other data forms, such as data transfer and stored data. and as such should be treated as if it were expanded (or such expansion will be almost impossible to stop, using Clipper as a precident). There was a hint of that in the proposal, remember. That said, please bear with me, I am not very articulate, so I take more words to say what others could say much more briefly. Thank you. As I suggested this is NOW. The hint is in the proposal that this or similar proposals are being considered for other forms of encryptions such as data transfer, data files, and such, largely dependent on how this thing is accepted or flies. I think one would be wise to treat this in the manner one would when (not if) it gets expanded to other areas than cellular phones. I think this is guaranteed to happen, if this proposal gets by. Salami politics. It has been and is used in several other areas, it is certain to be used here. Government is not going to easily give up on the idea that they should be able to eavesedrop whenever they want to. 'Court order required' has proven to be a rather flimsy guarantee. If the case warrants, they can always sieze the material, and force one to give the key, or sit in jail forever on periodically renewed contempt charges. So it is not denying the justice system the information, nor the ability to lock someone up if guilty (or refuses to divulge the means to access the info - this is not protected under the Fifth - one can be forced to perform ACTS that would result in divulging incriminating evidence). So, blocking restrictions on private encryption is not preventing LEGITIMATE law enforcement - it does make ILLEGITIMATE law enforcement a bunch more difficult. Especially fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing, figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). How come those consulted could be roughly described as "us insiders"? They cannot quietely IMPLIMENT it though, when they ban other schemes to ensure its exclusive use. Hence the nice PR document to try and reassure everyone. Don't buy into it. Has government really earned that kind of trust, past or future? To be secure and free, one must keep government honest and the only way to do that is to make abuse IMPOSSIBLE, not 'unlikely' or 'difficult'. So what? One could use information gained by re-use of the keys (saved after the last case was finished) or other means (master key, backdoor, easily broken algorithm) to find other evidence which, given to a judge, would authorize a tap which wouldn't have been possible otherwise. This has been the more common manner of abuse of wiretaps in the past... For local cops, this might be workable to keep them honest, but the Feds have a workaround somehow, BET on it. Does anyone really believe for example, that the government will use a scheme NSA cannot listen in on scanning for keywords - either easily defeated in realtime or via a 'master key'? I sure don't. This whole thing sounds like something to eliminate the need to use old-fashioned police work to build a case. In the past, eavesdropping was rather easy (with or without a court order). I think the Law Enforcement community has become a bit spoiled, and will resist changes that require them to revert to using old-fashioned detective work. I just find it somewhat surprising coming from a bunch that cares so much about civil and individual rights, that "puts people first". The question is "put people first" to WHERE? With the innards not being revealed, how is one to be sure there DOESN'T exist a 'master key' for use by NSA, etc (so they can do their keyword scan, etc on conversations they routinely monitor, without a specific court order)? Remember, the cellular phone limitiation is only TEMPORARY. Bet on it. And so far I have not heard about police telling people that they have been tapped and nothing incriminating was found. What is to keep them from simply keeping the keys on file for 'next time'? After awhile, they would have quite a collection. Kept especially for folks they deem 'disruptive'. And if they get only one key, that would reduce the search space a lot, unless it is an RSA scheme. Remember Nixon years? Need for court orders really slowed them down, didn't it? And unless the escrow accounts are not government controlled (fat chance! I see one ending up being under, say Treasury, the other under Justice :-)) it could be worth some serious bucks to some folks to get keys to a competitor's Clinton Clipper (or descendent when this idea is expanded to be used for all non-government encryption). Enough bucks would get one the keys or the innards for this algorithm. Perhaps not an important concern, but given past government behavior and the other problems... What will one do when it is expanded to data storage encryption? You can BET that if Clipper is accepted, that will be next on the agenda. It is even hinted at in the proposal - read it carefully... Expect the argumet "well, if you got nothing to hide..." Fine. Then using that argument, one should not object to video cameras being installed in every room of one's home. Granted - an exteme expansion of the idea but the principle holds. Private stuff should remain private, even from a govt fishing expedition. And laws/rules may change in the future as to 'safeguards'. When it comes to the Fed Government, safeguards are pretty meaningless, if they want to do/get something. Don't work so hard to give up some rather treasured rights, or establish bad precidents, please. The price could be hell to pay, later. People would fight laws forbidding more NOW, but in, say two years, because we have this 'crisis' situation which MUST be addressed by some 'drastic action', just this added reasonable restriction will only bother those who have someting to hide... etc. Please don't buy into it. If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a certain professor who likes key banks would be one of the selected experts... this does seem to expand on some ideas the person was advocating, if I recall :-). How would anybody know that what the experts examine is the same as what will end up being used in the Clipper Chip, if it is kept secret? Perhaps the Clipper will use a crippled version (with a 'master key' provision), or features not present in the version subjected for study and evaluation by the experts. And who chooses the expertes? The government? No conflict of interest there... :-) And isn't it a REQUIREMENT for any decent encryption scheme that it NOT have its effectiveness reduced by having the algrorithm widely known? I was lead to believe that one should assume the other side has everything you have, except for the key(s)... I recall ideas presented to this group are rejected if a requirement exists the algorithm be secret... Another question - since it is a safe bet this Clipper thing would not be used for government security, they are regarding it as not real secure but "good enough" for common folk. I think I would like to see a full description (not a PR non-statement) of just what "good enough" means? I think when saying how strong it is, "good enough" really means "not very". The excuse that other countries have these restrictions is not acceptable: Other countries do not have our Bill of Rights and Constitution (which the people, not the governments, of those other countries often regard with envy - what we have as rights they have as revokable privileges). And if we expect to retain those rights and protections, we must not allow them to be gutted because we just GOTTA have this thing to 'fight crime'. We have allready have our Bill of Rights pretty much torn to shreds. We should not permit more weakining for yet another 'noble cause', instead we should be trying to repair the damage. Our crime problem may have a number of causes, but "too many rights and safeguards" is not a signifigant one. A broken court system and poor police work are a much more signifigant cause as having "too many rights" (disregarding addressing the root causes for crime, etc). BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it isn't too late allready.

CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. This is very bad advice. Helmets have two major impact absorbing layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer. Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or delaminates from age. Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression. I have a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail. Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender. Even when the comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously degrade the effectiveness of a helmet. If you are in the habit of "parking your lid" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the comfort liner at the condition of the foam. If it is significantly damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet.

libXaw3d, the 3D Athena widget set will greatly improve the "sculptured" look. In Linux, with its shared, jump-table libs, you don't even have to recompile or relink. you merely have to: ln -sf /lib/libXaw3d.so.3.0 /lib/libXaw.so.3

I've had very good results from the SSM2016 from PMI (part of Analogue Devices). They have also now introduced the SSM2017 which looks good on paper, but which I haven't tried yet. Christopher

Lets just say it is DUI here now! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

[Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...] Hmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of those endless threads 'Mac Vs Win" and might even end up as "OS/2 Vs Win". Well, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which case that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge... First of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try to use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and shareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself thought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace- ment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will even change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan does that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do that, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda hard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not paying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet story ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM's icons not correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :).. PM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your settings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities from cica that supposedly give you a 'Mac feel'... I dont wanna get in the discussion which is a better system: Mac's are good in their own way -- they are _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing this from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) ) By all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under the pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac's OS on a PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )... Just trying to avoid another Mac-Win war...

Hello, I am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 Honda Civic Si. I was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not too drastic. I thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new header. Does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give me? I think I would check with Jackson Racing for the part. Are there any other comparines would make Honda parts. Are there any other small changes that can be easily made and won't screw up the car. Things like new injectors?, new fuel injection chip etc? I would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a difference. I don't really want to change the cam etc because I have heard that it would be much harder on the engine. E-Mail relpies prefered please and I will post a summary of all the replies. Thanks for any help you may have to offer!

God CAN be seen: "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23) "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11) "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30) God CANNOT be seen: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20) "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)

Tammy, is this all explicitly stated in the bible, or do you assume that you know that Ezekiel indirectly mentioned? It could have been another metaphor, for instance Ezekiel was mad at his landlord, so he talked about him when he wrote about the prince of Tyre. Sorry, but my interpretation is more mundane, Ezekiel wrote about the prince of Tyre when we wrote about the prince of Tyre. Cheers, Kent

Or perhaps it's referring to the wife and child sitting in the sidecar next to the one-up on the moto? :) Anyone ever heard of a game called oneup-onedown? (it's a drinking game, for all you older folx...:)

Ideologies also split, giving more to disagree upon, and may also lead to intolerance. So do you also oppose all ideologies? I don't think your argument is an argument against religion at all, but just points out the weaknesses of human nature. I would like a reference if you have got one, for this is news to me. One must approach the Qur'an with intelligence. Any thinking approach to the Qur'an cannot but interpret the above verse and others like it that women and men are spiritual equals. I think that the above verse does clearly imply that women have souls. Does it make any sense for something without a soul to be forgiven? Or to have a great reward (understood to be in the after-life)? I think the usual answer would be no -- in which case, the part saying "For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward" says they have souls. (If it makes sense to say that things without souls can be forgiven, then I have no idea _what_ a soul is.) As for your saying that the quote above may not be given a high priority in all interpretations, any thinking approach to the Qur'an has to give all verses of the Qur'an equal priority. That is because, according to Muslim belief, the _whole_ Qur'an is the revelation of God -- in fact, denying the truth of any part of the Qur'an is sufficient to be considered a disbeliever in Islam. Look, any approach to the Qur'an must be done with intelligence and thought. It is in this fashion that one can try to understand the Quran's message. In a book of finite length, it cannot explicitly answer every question you want to put to it, but through its teachings it can guide you. I think, however, that women are the spiritual equals of men is clearly and unambiguously implied in the above verse, and that since women can clearly be "forgiven" and "rewarded" they _must_ have souls (from the above verse). Let's try to understand what the Qur'an is trying to teach, rather than try to see how many ways it can be misinterpreted by ignoring this passage or that passage. The misinterpretations of the Qur'an based on ignoring this verse or that verse are infinite, but the interpretations fully consistent are more limited. Let's try to discuss these interpretations consistent with the text rather than how people can ignore this bit or that bit, for that is just showing how people can try to twist Islam for their own ends -- something I do not deny -- but provides no reflection on the true teachings of Islam whatsoever.

Okay, lets get the record straight on the Livermore gas gun. The project manager is Dr. John Hunter, and he works for the Laser group at Livermore. What, you may ask, does gas guns have to do with lasers? Nothing, really, but the gun is physically located across the road from the Free Electron Laser building, and the FEL building has a heavily shielded control room (thick walls) from which the gun firings are controlled. So I suspect that the office he works for is an administrative convenience. I visited Hunter at the beginning of Feb. and we toured the gun. At the time I was working on gas gun R&D at Boeing, where I work, but I am now doing other things (helping to save the space station), The gun uses a methane-air mixture, which is burned in a chamber about 200 ft long by 16 inch ID (i.e. it looks like a pipe). The chamber holds a 1 ton piston which is propelled at several hundred m/s down the chamber. On the other side of the piston is hudrogen gas, initially at room temperature andsome tens of atmospheres. The piston compresses and heats the hydrogen ahead of it until a stainless steel burst diaphragm ruptures, at around 50,000 psi. The barrel of the gun is about 100 feet long and has a 4 inch bore. It is mounted at right angles to the chamber (i.e. they intersect). This was done so that in the future, the barrel could be raised and the gun fired into the air without having to move the larger and heavier chamber. The projectile being used in testing is a 5 kg cylinder of Lexan plastic, 4 in in diameter and about 50 cm long. All of the acceleration comes from the expansion of the hydrogen gas from 50,000 psi downwards until the projectile leaves the barrel. The barrel is evacuated, and the end is sealed with a sheet of plastic film (a little thicker than Saran wrap). The plastic is blown off by the small amount of residual air trapped in the barrel ahead of the projectile. The gun is fired into a bunker filled with sandbags and plastic water jugs. In the early testing fragments of the plastic projectile were found. At the higher speeds in later testing, the projectile vaporizes. The testing is into a bunker because the Livermore test range is about 3 miles across, and the projectile would go 100-200 km if fired for maximum range. The intent is to move the whole gun to Vandenberg AFB after the testing is complete, where they can fire into the Pacific Ocean, and use the tracking radar at VAFB to follow the projectiles. The design goal of the gun is to throw a 5 kg projectile at 4 km/s (half of orbital speed). So far they have reached 2 km/s, and the gun is currently down for repairs, as on the last test they blew a seal and damaged some of the hardware (I think it had to do with the methane-air more detonating than burning, but I haven't had a chance to talk to Hunter directly on this). There are people waiting to test scramjet components in this gun by firing then out of the gun into the air (at Mach 12= 4 km/s), since the most you can get in wind tunnels is Mach 8. This gun cost about 4 million to develop, and is basically a proof-of-concept for a bigger gun capable of firing useful- sized payloads into space. This would require on the order of 100 kg projectiles, which deliver on the order of 20 kg useful payload to orbit. Dani Eder

Hi there netters, I have a question I would very much like to see some discussion on: Is there such a thing as a 'justifible' war? What I would love to see it some basis from scripture for either: "All war is wrong", or "Some war is justifiable". To get things started I would like to outline why I am asking the question. In my high school days I had been quite involved in the the New Zealand Cadet Forces (This is a bit like ROTC from what I understand of it, but with a lot more emphasis on fun than military career training). Through this I became extremely enamoured of flying, have become involved in the sport of gliding, and have a great interest in military aviation hardware as the very best a 'real' flyer could ask for. My favourite computer games are the accurate simulations of military aircraft, both past and present. I became a Christian about 10 years ago, and at the time rejected all military activity as immoral. For me, all war was in complete opposition to God's commandments to love one another, especially one's enemies. During the war in Iraq, I found myself with great excitement listening to the reports of the effectiveness of the the attacks using the aviation technology I so admire - The F117A 'Stealh' bomber, the F14, F15 and F16 strike aircraft, etc. After the war concluded I began to really enjoy simulations based around this conflict - Great to go and bomb Saddam's bio-weapons plants in an F117A on my computer, or shoot down some of his Mig's in an F16. The simulation of the death of people was a wonderful game. I imagine the real pilots view the real thing in much the same way. One only has to look at the language used to see that the personal impact of war is ignored: A building containing people, or an aircraft flown by a pilot is simply a 'target'. Dead civilians are 'collateral damage'. These euphanisms are a way of removing the reality of war from the people whose support are necessary for the continued waging of war - One only has to look at Vietnam to see how important public opinion is. Now we see troops sponsored by the United Nations entering Somalia, and the prospect of military intervention in the Muslim/Croat/Serb conflict in the former Yugoslavia. My revulsion in particular to the siege of Sarajevo, and in the last few days of (sorry 'bout spelling) Sebrenitsa, has caused me to rethink where I stand on 'justifiable' war. I will list several wars in the last 50 years I can look at each, and say - Yes this may have been justifible, this may not. These are simply my gut reactions to each - In many cases with the benefit of the impartiality history brings. Let me go through a few and state some of my reasons for my reaction - I am not a historian, so excuse any historical blunders, I am working from popular history as it is known in New Zealand. 1. The Second World War - Murder of Jews - Hitler had to be stopped. - Massive civilian casualties on both sides - Dresden, Hiroshima/Nagasaki - Probably justifiable. 2. Korean war - Political expansionism by North Korea, basically communism vs. capitalism. - Probably not justifiable. 3. Vietnam - As above, worsened by US involvement. 4. Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. - Genocide by Khmer Rouge. - Probably justifiable. 5. Iraq (Desert Storm) - Political expansionism, threat to world oil supply - Other factors such as genocide. - Not sure, but probably justifiable 6. A future involvement in Bosnia - Genocide - so called 'Ethnic Cleansing' - Emotive - much TV coverage of atrocities and civilian casualties. - Probably justifiable 7. Possible future use of nuclear weapons - tactical or strategic, somewhere in the world by the US in response to someone else - e.g. Libya or Israel. - My feelings in this are simple - Nuclear war/weapons are abhorrent - I love the New Zealand government's stand on banning all nuclear armed or powered warships from NZ port. - Never justifiable. These are my own views, I have looked at scripture, and I am confused. I would appreciate others view, particularly those based on scripture. I *don't* want a - Naaahh, yer wrong - I think answers 8-). Thanks for your help. ========================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 Chief Programmer, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 The Black Albatross Porject, | University of Otago, | Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | athomson@otago.ac.nz Dunedin | NeXTmail Welcome New Zealand | "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase

I recently bought a pack of prospect hockey cards which had various players that were coming into the NHL. I got this particular card of a Russian named Viktor Kozlov. It says "many scouts believe he will be the #1 pick in 1993". Another guy is quoted as saying "He's as good as Mario Lemieux". Anyone know who this guy is?????

I have a CASIO B.O.S.S. SF-9500 Digital Dairy/organizer for sale. The unit has 64 kb with the expansion card slot. Very good condition. Asking $110.00 plus shipping.

As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money down a rathole. When you guys sort this out let me know.

I see no difference between Janet Reno's claim of responsibility for the Waco Massacre and the IRA's claims of responsibility for various acts of terrorism against British citizens. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>

: : Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a : high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony : 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It : is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic : image, and the large image size, etc, etc... : : It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third : down, the other two thirds down) come from. : The 2 lines are not a result of the high end trinitron tube, these 2 wires will be found on all 17" trinitron tubes (e.g., Mitsubishi 17", Sony 1604, etc). On 14" Sony tubes, you'll find one wire. Their level of annoyance is purely subjective. I'm so happy with the sharpness of the T560i that I don't even notice the lines. The T560i uses a Trinitron SA tube which, when viewed as a complete tube, has a larger diameter than the standard Trinitron tube. This results in a flatter screen than other 17" monitors using the standard trinitron (which has a vertically flat but not horizontally flat surface), and apparently the ability to provide a tighter beam focus.

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More like Philadelphia making dust out of dead Leafs. Roger why do you continue to embarass yourself with your brash predictions? They got whitewashed by a last place team. Granted Philly is pretty decent but the "best team in the Cambell Conference" would have beaten a last place team.

rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes ... Benchmarks are for marketing dweebs and CPU envy. OK, if it will make you happy, the 486 is faster than the 040. BFD. Both architectures are nearing then end of their lifetimes. And especially with the x86 architecture: good riddance. The point being the processor speed is only one of many aspects of a computers performance. Clock speed, processor, memory speed, CPU architecture, I/O systems, even the application program all contribute to the overall system performance. Look them up yourself.

GEC/Plessey specify a series of FM demodulators (SL1454 etc) for use in satellite TV receivers : 150 or 600MHz in, 10MHz of baseband video out. I think there's also a related data slicer / clock recovery circuit intended for use in DMAC decoders, though that isn't used in the most common implementation - it may not be in volume production. The most easily available components probably vary with local satellite standards, and I think the european systems vary rather widely from those in the US - so it may be worth investigating locally-available receiver designs to find out what's in common use. -adrian

You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious.

Archive-name: space/data Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:07 $ ONLINE AND OTHER SOURCES OF IMAGES, DATA, ETC. INTRODUCTION A wide variety of images, data, catalogs, information releases, and other material dealing with space and astronomy may be found on the net. A few sites offer direct dialup access or remote login access, while the remainder support some form of file transfer. Many sites are listed as providing 'anonymous FTP'. This refers to the File Transfer Protocol on the Internet. Sites not connected to the Internet cannot use FTP directly, but there are a few automated FTP servers which operates via email. Send mail containing only the word HELP to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com or bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu, and the servers will send you instructions on how to make requests. The sources with the broadest selection of material are the NASA Ames SPACE archive and the National Space Science Data Center. Don't even ask for images to be posted to the net. The data volume is huge and nobody wants to spend the time on it. VIEWING IMAGES The possible combinations of image formats and machines is forebodingly large, and I won't attempt to cover common formats (GIF, etc.) here. To read PDS and VICAR (and many other) formats on Unix systems running X, use XV 2.11, available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in contrib/xv-2.11.tar.Z and the other standard X11 FTP sites. The FAQ for the Usenet group alt.binaries.pictures discusses image formats and how to get image viewing software. A copy of this document is available by anonymous FTP from the Usenet FAQ archives at pit-manager.mit.edu (18.72.1.58), in directory pub/usenet/alt.binaries.pictures. ONLINE ARCHIVES NASA AMES Extensive archives are maintained at NASA Ames and are available via anonymous FTP or an email server. These archives include many images and a wide variety of documents including this FAQ list, NASA press releases, shuttle launch advisories, and mission status reports. Please note that these are NOT maintained on an official basis. FTP users should connect to ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) and look in pub/SPACE. pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the archive (the index is about 200K by itself). To access the archives by email, send a letter to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like: send SPACE Index send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91. The capitalization of the subdirectory names is important. All are in caps. Only text files are handled by the email server at present; use one of the FTP email servers described in the introduction to this section for images or programs. The Magellan Venus and Voyager Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus CD-ROM image disks have been put online in the CDROM and CDROM2 directories. The disks will be rotated on a weekly basis. Thousands of images are available in these collections. The GIF directory contains images in GIF format. The VICAR directory contains Magellan images in VICAR format (these are also available in the GIF directory). A PC program capable of displaying these files is found in the IMDISP directory (see the item "VIEWING IMAGES" below). The NASA media guide describes the various NASA centers and how to contact their public affairs officers; this may be useful when pursuing specific information. It's in MISC/media.guide. Any problems with the archive server should be reported to Peter Yee (yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov). NASA ASTROPHYSICS DATA SYSTEM The ADS is a distributed data retrieval system which is easy to use and provides uniform access to ground-based and space-based astronomy data from NASA data centers across the country. It currently has over 140 data catalogs of radio, infrared, optical, UV, and X-ray data which can be queried by position or any other parameter in the catalog. The ADS also provides tools to manipulate and plot tabular results. In addition, ADS has a Beta version of an Abstracts Service which allows users to query over 125,000 abstracts of astronomy papers since 1975 by authors, keywords, title words, or abstract text words. ADS use requires direct Internet access. For more info and to sign up to become a user, email ads@cuads.coloradu.edu. The User's Guide and "QuickStart" Guide are available by anonymous FTP to sao-ftp.harvard.edu in directory pub/ads/ADS_User_Guide (PostScript files). Contact Carolyn Stern Grant (stern@cfa.harvard.edu). NASA JET PROPULSION LAB (MISSION INFORMATION AND IMAGES) pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) is an anonymous FTP site operated by the JPL Public Information Office, containing news releases, status reports, fact sheets, images, and other data on JPL missions. It may also be reached by modem at (818)-354-1333 (no parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit). Contact newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov or phone (818)-354-7170. NASA LANGLEY (TECHNICAL REPORTS) techreports.larc.nasa.gov is an anonymous FTP site offering technical reports. To get started, cd to directory pub/techreports/larc/92 and retrieve files README and abstracts.92. Most files are compressed PostScript. The reports are also in a WAIS database with the following description: (:source :version 3 :ip-name "techreports.larc.nasa.gov" :tcp-port 210 :database-name "nasa-larc-abs" :cost 0.00 :cost-unit :free :maintainer "M.L.Nelson@LaRC.NASA.GOV" :description "NASA Langley Research Center Technical Reports Contact tr-admin@techreports.larc.nasa.gov. NASA SPACELINK SpaceLink is an online service located at Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. The system is specifically designed for teachers. The data base is arranged to provide easy access to current and historical information on NASA aeronautics, space research, and technology transfer information. Also included are suggested classroom activities that incorporate information on NASA projects to teach a number of scientific principles. Unlike bulletin board systems, NASA Spacelink does not provide for interaction between callers. However it does allow teachers and other callers to leave questions and comments for NASA which may be answered by regular mail. Messages are answered electronically, even to acknowledge requests which will be fulfilled by mail. Messages are generally handled the next working day except during missions when turnaround times increase. The mail system is closed-loop between the user and NASA. SpaceLink also offers downloadable shareware and public domain programs useful for science educators as well as space graphics and GIF images from NASA's planetary probes and the Hubble Telescope. You can dial in at (205)-895-0028 (300/1200/2400/9600(V.32) baud, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit), or telnet to spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov (128.158.13.250, also known as xsl.msfc.nasa.gov) if you're on the Internet. Anonymous FTP capability (password guest) is now available. Most of this information is also available from the Ames server in directory SPACELINK. NATIONAL SPACE SCIENCE DATA CENTER (NSSDC) The National Space Science Data Center is the official clearinghouse for NASA data. The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online. Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.36.23) and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). You can also get the catalog by sending email to 'request@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov'. You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop). At the "Enter Number:" prompt, enter MD and carriage return. When the system responds "Call Complete," enter a few more carriage returns to get the "Username:" and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). The system is menu-driven; topics available as of 3/93 are: 1 - Master Directory - NASA & Global Change 2 - Personnel Information Management System 3 - Nimbus-7 GRID TOMS Data 4 - Interplanetary Medium Data (OMNI) 5 - Request data and/or information from NSSDC 6 - Geophysical Models 7 - CANOPUS Newsletter 8 - International Ultraviolet Explorer Data Request 9 - CZCS Browse and Order Utility 10 - Astronomical Data Center (ADC) 11 - STEP Bulletin Board Service 12 - Standards and Technology Information System 13 - Planetary Science & Magellan Project Information 14 - Other Online Data Services at NSSDC 15 - CD-ROMS Available at NSSDC For users with Internet access, datasets are made available via anonymous FTP once you select the desired datasets from the online catalog. For other users, data may be ordered on CD-ROM and in other formats. Among the many types of data available are Voyager, Magellan, and other planetary images, Earth observation data, and star catalogs. Viewers for Macintosh and IBM systems are also available. As an example of the cost, an 8 CD set of Voyager images is $75. Data may ordered online, by email, or by physical mail. The postal address is: National Space Science Data Center Request Coordination Office Goddard Space Flight Center Code 633 Greenbelt, MD 20771 Telephone: (301) 286-6695 Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE stsci.edu (130.167.1.2) has a large amount of information about the Hubble Space Telescope available by anonymous FTP, such as status reports and newsletters, in addition to material oriented towards HST observers and proposers. Get the top level README file to begin with. Contact Pete Reppert (reppert@stsci.edu) or Chris O'Dea (odea@stsci.edu). STARCAT The Space Telescope European Coordination Facility, at ESO/Garching provides on-line access to a huge astronomical database, featuring - Observation log files of several satellites/telescopes (IUE,IRAS,HST,NTT...). - Spectra and images (IUE, HST). - Most of the astronomical catalogues (SAO, HR, NGC, PPM, IRAS, Veron, GSC and many others, more than 50) in a very convenient way (give center+radius+kind of objects, and you get the corresponding files!). Log on as ``starcat'' (no password) on node stesis.hq.eso.org (134.171.8.100) or on STESIS (DECnet). The files created can be retreived by FTP. Contact: Benoit Pirenne, bpirenne@eso.org (phone +49 89 320 06 433) at ST-ECF ASTRONOMICAL DATABASES The full SAO stellar database is *NOT* available online, probably due to the 40 MB size. It may be ordered on magnetic tape from the NSSDC. A subset containing position and magnitude only is available by FTP (see "Astronomy Programs" below). nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) has a large collection of astronomical programs for many types of computers, databases of stars and deep sky objects, and general astronomy information in directory /pub/astro. This site is mainly for European users, but overseas connections are possible. The Ames archives contain a database of 8,436 galaxies including name, RA, declination, magnitude, and radial velocity in MISC/galaxy.dat. Supplied by Wayne Hayes (wayne@csri.utoronto.ca). iris1.ucis.dal.ca (129.173.18.107) has a number of GIFs from Voyager, Hubble, and other sources available by anonymous FTP in pub/gif (most of this data is also in SPACE/GIF on the Ames server). Please restrict access to 5pm - 8am Atlantic time. pomona.claremont.edu has the Yale Bright Star catalog for anonymous FTP in directory [.YALE_BSC]. Contact James Dishaw (jdishaw@hmcvax.claremont.edu). The Hubble Guide Star catalog is available on CD-ROM for the Mac and PC for $49.95 US (catalog # ST101). Astronomical Society of the Pacific 390 Ashton Ave. San Francisco, CA 94112 Phone: (415) 337-2624 9 AM - 3 PM Pacific Time FAX: (415) 337-5205 For German (and possibly other European) readers, Jost Jahn has a service to distribute astronomical data to interested amateurs at cost. About 30-40 catalogs are available for DM 6..8/disk. Several floppy disk formats are available. Because of the expense of receiving email on his system, he asks that you contact him by physical mail: Jost Jahn Neustaedter Strasse 11 W-3123 Bodenteich GERMANY Phone: FRG-5824-3197 ASTRONOMY PROGRAMS Various astronomy-related programs and databases posted to the net in the past are archived for anonymous FTP at multiple sites, including ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9). Also see the ASTRO-FTP list posted to sci.astro monthly, which is more complete than this list. Astonomical/Space-related sources of interest in comp.sources.unix: Volume 8: phoon moon phase and date routines Volume 12,13: starchart starchart program & Yale Star data Volume 15: moontool shows moon phase picture on Suns Volume 16: sao reduced SAO catalog Astonomical/Space-related sources of interest in comp.sources.misc: Volume 8: moon another moon phase program Volume 11: starchart starchart program, version 3.2 Volume 11: n3emo-orbit orbit: track earth satellites Volume 12: starchart2 starchart program, update to version 3.2.1 Volume 13: jupmoons plotter for Jupiter's major moons [in perl] Volume 13: lunisolar lunisolar (not sure what this does) Volume 14: ephem-4.21 astronomical ephemeris, v4.21 Volume 14: n3emo-orbit patch to orbit 3.7 Volume 18: planet planet generation simulator Elwood Downey (e_downey@tasha.cca.cr.rockwell.com), the author of "ephem", has offered to mail copies to people who can't find it on one of the archives. XSAT, an X Window System based satellite tracking program, is available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in contrib/xsat1.0.tar.Z. Contact Dave Curry (davy@ecn.purdue.edu) for more information. Xsky, a computerized sky atlas for the X Window System, is available for anonymous FTP on arizona.edu in the directory [.SOFTWARE.UNIX.XSKY] as xsky.tarz. Contact Terry R. Friedrichsen (terry@venus.sunquest.com) for more information. The "Variable Stars Analysis Software Archive" is available via anonymous FTP from kauri.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.11.3) in directory pub/astrophys. This is intended for specialists in this field, and they would appreciate people from outside New Zealand confining their FTP access to the astrophys directory, as they pay a significant amount for Internet access. Contents are relatively sparse at present due to the youth of the archive - contributions are encouraged. Contact the archive administrator, Timothy Banks (bankst@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) for more information. The "IDL Astronomy Users Library" is available by anonymous FTP from idlastro.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.57.82). This is a central repository for general purpose astronomy procedures written in IDL, a commercial image processing, plotting, and programming language. Contact Wayne Landsman (landsman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov) for more information. ORBITAL ELEMENT SETS The most recent orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513)-427-0674. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Orbital element sets are available via anonymous FTP from the following sites: archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) NASA,TVRO,Shuttle directory: /pub/space ftp.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) NASA,TVRO,Molczan,CelBBS, directory: /pub/astro/pc/satel Shuttle (*) kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.165) NASA,Molczan directory: /pub/space/ SPACE DIGEST ARCHIVES Copies of back issues of Space Digest are archived on LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET. Send mail containing the message "INDEX SPACE" to get an index of files; send it the message "GET filename filetype" to get a particular file. LANDSAT AND NASA PHOTOS You can get black-and-white 1:1M prints, negatives, or positives for $10, $18, $12 respectively for any Landsat data more than 2 years old from EDC, (Eros (Earth Resources Orbiting Satellite) Data Center). Call them at (605)-594-6511. You get 80 meter resolution from the MSS scanner, 135x180 kilometers on a picture 135x180 mm in size. I think you have to select one band from (green, red, near IR, second near IR), but I'm not sure. Digitial data is also available at higher prices. Transparencies of all NASA photos available to the public can be borrowed from the NASA photo archive; you can have copies or prints made. NASA Audio-Visual Facility 918 North Rengstorff Ave Mountain View, CA 94043 (415)-604-6270 PLANETARY MAPS The USGS address for maps of the planets is: U.S. Geological Survey, Distribution Branch, Box 25286, Federal Center, Bldg. 41 Denver, CO 80225 Maps cost $2.40 to $3.10 per sheet (a few come in sets of 2 or 3 sheets). The best global maps of Mars based on Viking images are 1:15,000,000 scale in 3 sheets. These maps are: I-1535 (2 sheets only) - relief, albedo, names I-1535 I-1618 (3 sheets) - relief, names I-2030 (3 sheets) - relief, topographic contours I-1802-A,B,C (3 sheets) - geology There are many other maps as well: 30 sheets at 1:5,000,000 scale in relief, albedo, geology, photomosaic forms (not all 30 sheets available in all formats); 140 sheets at 1:2,000,000 scale as photomosaics of the whole planet, about 100 sheets of interesting sites at 1:500,000 scale in photomosaic format, and lots of special sheets. Then there are maps of Mercury, Venus, the Moon, the four Galilean Satellites, six moons of Saturn and five of Uranus. [Phil Stooke (stooke@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca), the author of this item, has offered to respond to email requests for information on any topic relating to lunar and planetary maps.] COMETARY ORBIT DATA The Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams and the Minor Planet Center announce the sixth edition of the Catalogue of Cometary Orbits in IAU Circular 4935. The catalogue contains 1292 entries which represent all known comets through November 1989 and is 96 pages long. Non-subscribers to the Circulars may purchase the catalogue for $15.00 while the cost to subscribers is $7.50. The basic catalogue in ASCII along with a program to extract specific orbits and calculate ephemerides is available on MS-DOS 5.25-inch 2S2D diskette at a cost of $75.00 (the program requires an 8087 math coprocessor). The catalogue alone is also available by e-mail for $37.50 or on magnetic tape for $300.00. Except for the printed version of the catalogue, the various magnetic media or e-mail forms of the catalogue do not specifically meantion non-subscribers. It is possible that these forms of the catalogue may not be available to non-subscribers or that their prices may be more expensive than those given. Mail requests for specific information and orders to: Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory Cambridge, MA 02138, USA

Gee, then I guess the extra horn that's mounted in the floor of some SDPD cars, firing at the ground at a shallow angle, is just for show, huh? (For calibration, they simply turn off one horn or the other.)

Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. 1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at some time before the Feb. 28th raid? 2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. 3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the "right" course of action? And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in general, were proper. But I still have some reservations.

I'm not very impressed by the old so-called "prospecting" work from LPI, it has almost all been geared towards industrially silly processes on the moon as an excuse to put astronauts there. [...] Translation: It doesn't support the Nick Szabo Vision of the Future to Which You MUST Subscribe... Fred, we're all supporting what each of us thinks should be done, to some degree. If you have a problem with what Nick thinks should be done, address it, instead of just complaining about his doing so. You really don't get what the 'complaints' are about, do you? [not incredibly clear explanation of complaints...something between feelings regarding Nick's method, and judgments about his meaning] T F *** Fred's issue #1; Nick's alleged trashing of others *** I only got it when you stopped trashing, and made your point patently, instead of 'allegorically'. That was my point all along, Fred. I see we are dealing with a problem in a conflict of interpretations, not least of which is your belief that only you can adequately judge what is and is not debate. Suffice to say that I disagree with you on that last point. Why don't you take a poll, Fred, if you want some psuedo-objective point-of-view? And, as usual, you defend your insults with "he started it." "Yeah, I took some of his research and called it my own, but he started it." "So what if I stole his car, he stole my lawnmower first." Besides that, I think it's still open to interpretation whether Nick actually did start it. So your defense, besides being lame, and contradicting the first part of the sentence in which it occurs, may not even apply anyway. Your defense reminds me of the guy that broke the borrowed tool: "I never borrowed it, I already gave it back, and it was broken when you gave it to me." Make up yer mind, Fred! First, I try to address what I think you meant, for which I am rewarded with a denial of sorts, and a smart remark. Then, I point out that I am not clear what you did mean, rather than risking your childish ire, wrongly interpreting you a second time, and I'm stupid for it. I just can't win, can I, Fred? You've got a great point here somewhere, it's just that between stupid people that you must insult, and your jealous guarding of your valuable opinions, you never actually get around to making it. *** Fred issue #2; Nick's alleged meaning *** Too bad the plan only exists in your mind, instead of Nick's, or you would have a really good point. Instead you have provided a good reason to ignore your insults, since they are based on incorrect interpretations that you have made about others. Forgive me for giving your insults more meaning than they ever should have had. My reading of what Nick actually said is that "people aren't required in all parts of all space processes", so your taking issue with his opinions regarding people in the space program, I read as "People are required in all parts of all space processes." So, help me out, here, Fred, since I'm so patently stupid. Did you read Nick wrong? Or are you going to eat your terminal now? If the latter, I sure hope it's one of those Cheeto and string models that all the computer mags have been raving about :-) The point is, _I_ am not stupid because of _your_ incorrect assumption. I'd only be stupid if I insulted you for having made it. But, alas, that's your job, Fred. And, finally, your style is confusing, since you tried to make two points, simultaneously, with an allegory/insult. Sadly, one point addressed a 'plan' that only existed in your mind, and the other took issue with behaviors that you do as much as anyone. No, no, I finally got it. You don't like the plan that Nick's posts made you imagine. And you don't like Nick's obnoxious behavior, even though it's no worse than your own. Thanks for taking the time with someone as dense as myself. Of course, Socrates. How could it be otherwise? Who cares who came on the net first? If you do, consider that you saw me come on after a brief haitus, before which I was on for about 2 years. If you had seen me on the net first, you'd remember when Nick and I went down exactly the same road regarding rude, unneccesary behavior. It's just amazing to me that you continue to take issue with behavior that's no worse than your own. Let's see here, my complaints about your obnoxious behavior are hypocritical, while your flames against people you decide are flamers isn't, and my complaints about your name-calling are immature, while your name-calling isn't. Yeah, right. Maybe if you called me some more names, I might see it better, Fred. "Net.ghod wannabe"? Naturally, Fred, you've correctly interpreted my motivations, when yours are impossible to judge from your actions (as your insulting of people that try, proves). I didn't really care about people that fill the net with personal garbage, what I really wanted was to impress everyone. I only put my complaints with your behavior on private mail, not because it belongs there, but because I thought you were such a jerk that you'd bring it back to the Net, playing right into my hands. Alas, I had no idea what an intellectual master you were, turning tables and bringing the history of these posts to the net, for the noble and valuable purpose of embarassing me. Whether I should feel stupid because I tried to make suggestions to such a superior intellect, or becuase I tried to communicate like an adult with a self-righteous ass, still isn't clear. Well, Fred, you exposed me. Now I'll never be able to get a(nother) job with NASA, since they all know that I'm stupider than Fred McCall. Well, I just hope you're happy. Please leave me alone, now. I just don't have the heart to attempt keeping up with one so far above me. Maybe Nick or Pat can approach your high standards, but I'm dropping it now. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.

How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline?

I just got a Quadra 800 8/230 and I've noticed that I can't change the desktop color from the beautiful gray. I thought maybe I should reinstall the OS using the "Install Me First, Macintosh Centris, Quadra..." diskette because the system file on this diskette is more recent than the one on the hard disk. The easy install selects "Macintosh Cnetris System Software". Does anyone know if I should use this or customize and use "System Software for any Macintosh"? Or does it matter? THANKS in advance for any suggestions...

The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so obviously doing. I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it and brought it to fruition. Both of the major parties have what they consider excellent reasons for limiting your freedoms and violating your privacy, and even seem to feel that they're doing you a favor. If this is really surprising to anyone it means they've been willfully ignoring quite a bit of previous evidence. There's only one political party (not calling anarchists a party) that considers your freedom and privacy goals worthy in and of themselves. If you're voting for the big two, you're supporting a reduction of those rights (given their goals and their histories), regardless of whether you personally support that reduction. To paint Clinton and Gore as unwitting tools is really stretching things.

Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact. Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit.

What's "loosing?" I vote. I don't consider RKBA an abomination. I'm sure Sarah Brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and raving. However, Clinton has not publically stated that he would like to repeal the Second Amendment. "Tough titty" to you. Are we going to "make do without" like the people in New York City? You know New York City: That gun ban utopia you dream about, with the millions of unregistered handguns? New York City, by the way, has a very high crime rate. Perhaps you should know about a gungrabber's nightmare - Idaho. Here in Idaho, the police give concealed carry permits to anyone over 21 without a criminal record. There are no gungrabber schemes such as FOIDs, waiting periods, "gun a month," or LTCs. And horror of horrors! You don't even NEED a permit to carry a concealed weapon while outside of city limits (although you do need a permit for concealed carry in an automobile). I feel a hell of a lot safer in Boise than I would in your gun ban dream state (e.g., Washington, D.C.). The voting public in Idaho is staunchly pro-gun. Both senators are NRA-endorsed "A" rated! Buy a clue, pal. Get out your wallet and buy another clue. There are millions upon MILLIONS of pre-1968 (i.e., non-4473'ed) firearms out there. They have a half-life approaching eternity. And cosmoline is not exactly tracked by the feds. Gun control laws were passed to PROTECT the KKK from blacks! Drew

I just had an idea. I'm not sure if its been done and I'm just remembering it unconsiously, but I thought that in dialog boxes and whatever in windowing systems, there should be a way to intuitivly set some things checked or unchecked or filled in a certain way. My idea: tape. You know, like putting a piece of tape over a light switch? Just an idea, if you like it, use it.

No answer. I do not feel like the cameras were out of range. Cameras watched the first confrontation. Cameras watched the banners. Cmaeras watched the final confrontation with tanks. Cameras watched the fire. When weren't cameras able to watch? When would cameras be unable to watch people coming out with their hands up? Well, that is what BATF should have done. Either, Koresh would have gone peaceably as he has done in the past, or perhaps it was already too close to the apocalypse in his own mind. It is hard to predict the actions of a leader who would not release the children when most rational people would. Now will you answer my question up top?

The following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly had with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays. We were there to discuss SSTO, and commercial space. This is how it went... After receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO, I called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty Murray, Washington State. I started asking for an hour, and when I heard the gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1/2 an hour. Later in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes. We got the standard bozo treatment. That is, we were called back by an aide, who scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not bozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to make sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material. Well, I got allocated 1/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking to him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening. We covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific. Most of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer. There was another woman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that we brought up. But, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate aligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space. So, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to LEO. Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming feasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that. We hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism paper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the atmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog over L.A. We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is more pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to understanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis. We hit the education whereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that they havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other fields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday would provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed. We hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business angle. We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal communicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc... Jobs provided in those sectors. Jobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc.. We mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs. We left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order to make this even easier to do. And he asked questions on this point. We ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are proceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the results from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan), and most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along the lines of lowering the cost to LEO. In the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data Purchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it. He asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it, and contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually happen immediatly there. The last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we knew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they could feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know the answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who really did know the answers. Then finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself. He said that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this would be something that she would be very interested in, although they do have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the state 1 week out of 6 these days. All in all we felt like we did a pretty good job.

Hi: Does anybody known how much about to buy an ethernet card for mac se ? Besides,Where do I goto buy.If I buy it by mail-order,which brand is suitable for mac se(the network is coxial wire).Thanks a lot. Could anybody tell me what to do? Thank you.

Hello , I think you are probaly right, in spite of the movement it is getting better each day. cheers

Well, let me see. UZI, no. M-11/9, no. M-16/AR-15, maybe. I remember there being a selector swtich on the AR-15. If I remember correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) the switch would set to an "off" position or an "on" position because the gun (AR-15) is semi-automatic. Wouldn't the M-16 have a position for semi-auto fire and full-auto fire (or maybe 3 round bursts)? If this is correct wouldn't it be easy to distinguish each gun by this alone? Of course if the AR-15 were modified to full-auto fire I wouldn't think it would be that easy but I'm talking about distinguishing between an unmodified AR-15 and M-16. How about the other guns? Do they also have selector switch to switch between semi-auto and fully-auto fire? Actually it was pretty hard for the kids in my neighborhood to figure that out as Richard Petty lived in my neighborhood and left his stock car in the driveway. ;-) Well, what about what I said above? If that is correct I guess TV would be acceptable (if you had a good enough picture and a picture of the lower receiver of the AR-15/M-16).

In addition to startup time, I leave things running because my PC doubles as a fax machine. However, this is off the original subject. I didn't get the replies on BIOS, CMOS, and DOS clock/date logic. All I know is that I've been running this way for many months and it is only recently, the last month, that I have noticed the intermittent clock problem. As I stated, it is not always the date that doesn't roll forward, sometimes I notice that the clock is several minutes behind where it ought to be. When unattended, the following are generally running minimized in Win 3.1: Clock, WinFax Pro 3.0, Print Manager, MS-Word 1.1, File Manager, Program Manager A random screen saver is generally running too.

OpenGL is a graphics programming library and as such is a great, portable interface for the development of interactive 3D graphics applications. It is not, however, an indicator of performance, as that will vary strongly from machine to machine and vendor to vendor. SGI is committed to high performance interactive graphics systems and software tools, so OpenGL means that you can port easily from SGI to other platforms, there is no guarantee that your performance would be comparable. If your sales representative truly mislead you, then you should have a valid grievance against us which you should carry up to your local SGI sales management team. Feel free to contact the local branch manager...we understand that repeat sales come from satisfied customers, so give it a shot. As one of the previous posts stated, the Personal IRIS was introduced in 1988 and grew to include the 4D/20, 4D/25, 4D/30 and 4D/35 as clock rates sped up over time. As a rule of thumb, SGI platforms live for about 4-5 years. This was true of the motorola-based 3000 series ('85-'89), the PI ('88-'93), the Professional Series (the early 4D's - '86-'90), the Power Series parallel systems ('88-'93). Individual CPU subsystems running at a particular clock rate usually live for about 2 years. New graphics architectures at the high end (GT, VGX, RealityEngine) are released every 18 months to 2 years. These are the facts of life. If we look at these machines, they become almost archaic after four years, and we have to come out with a new platform (like Indigo, Onyx, Challenge) which has higher bus bandwidths, faster CPUs, faster graphics and I/O, and larger disk capacities. If we don't, we become uncompetitive. From the user perspective, you have to buy a machine that meets your current needs and makes economic sense today. You can't wait to buy, but if you need a guaranteed upgrade path for the machine, ask the Sales Rep for one in writing. If it's feasible, they should be able to do that. Some of our upgrade paths have specific programs associated with them, such as the Performance Protection Program for older R3000-based Power Series multiprocessing systems which allowed purchasers of those systems to obtain a guaranteed upgrade price for moving to the new Onyx or Challenge R4400-based 64-bit multiprocessor systems. If that's happening, it's becausing of misunderstandings or mis-communication, not because SGI is directly attempting to annoy our customer base. Most SGI customers are onesy-twosey types, but regardless, we rarely give a great deal of notice when we are about to introduce a new system because again, like a previous post stated, if we pre-announced and the schedule slipped, we would mess up our potential customers schedules (when they were counting on the availability of the new systems on a particular date) and would also look awfully bad to both our investors and the financial analysts who watch us most carefully to see if we are meeting our commitments. Five years is an awfully long time in computer years. New processor technologies are arriving every 1-2 years, making a 5 year old computer at least 2 and probably 3 generations behind the times. The competitive nature of the market is demanding that rate of development, so if your timing is really 5 years between purchases, you have to accept the limited viability of whatever architecture you buy into from any vendor. There are some realities about the computer biz that we all have to live with, but keeping customers happy is the most important, so don't give up, we know it. Josh |:-) --

I would like to sell my Logitech Hand-held 256 Gray Scale Scanner. I originally bought it as a toy and have no practical use for it. Hardly ever used it. Package includes: -board -Scan-Mate software -Ansel Image Editing software -All original manuals, box, etc. Originally bought for $350 in Jan '92. Selling for $150.

He is probably referring to the DOS version.. the dos versions is up to like version 6 i think. The window version just came out recently so it is only up to like version 2 or something.

YESSS! You make me proud to be an 'Merkun. Good thing you didn't get shot though. Don't try that with a good'ole boy in Texas. I once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was in my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic and senseless. All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks back (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the freeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, "Stick that finger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your sorry-ass throat." I stared straight ahead, unblinking. A hundred cars were honking. Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red with anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him, waving, honking, flipping him off, yelling... I'm glad he decided not to shoot me. /-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\ \-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

the blood of the lamb. This will be a hard task, because most cultures used most animals for blood sacrifices. It has to be something related to our current post-modernism state. Hmm, what about used computers? Cheers, Kent

You have just reminded me of an old Tom Paxton song... I"M CHANGING MY NAME TO CHRYSLER (Tom Paxton, 1980) Oh the price of gold is rising out of sight And the dollar is in sorry shape tonight What the dollar used to get us Now won't buy a head of lettus No the economic forecast isn't right But amidst the clouds I spot a shining ray I caneven glimpse a new and better way And I've devised a plan of action Worked it down to the last fraction And I'm going into action here today. Chorus: I am changing my name to Chrysler I am going down to Washington D.C. I will tell some power broker What they did for Iacoca Will be perfectly acceptable to me. I am changing my name to Chrysler I am heading for that great receiving line So when they hand a million grand out I'll be standing with my hand out Yes sir I'll get mine When my creditors are screaming for their dough I'll be proud to tell them all where they can go They won'y have to scream and holler They'll all be paid to the last dollar Where the endless streams of money seam to flow I'll be glad to tell them all what they can do Its just a matter of a simple form or two It's not renumeration it's a liberal education Ain't you kind of glad that I'm in debt to you Chorus Since the first first amphibians crawled out of the slime We've been struggling in an unrelenting climb We were hardly up and walking before money started talking And it's sad failure is an awful crime It's been that way for a millennium or two But now it seems there's a different point of view If you're a corporate titanic and your failure is gigantic Down in congress there is a safety net for you. Chorus... Perhaps Steven Jobs should take Paxton's advice and change his name to Chrysler, or perhaps set himself up as an S&L, maybe Neil Bush could give him a hand? ================================================================ akasacou@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn... J.Morrison

Good point. The New Testament does not quote Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ruth, Job, Ecclesiastes, or Song of Songs, just as it does not quote from the Deuterocanon. But if the non-quotation of the former does not disqualify them, neither does the non-quotation of the later. And the Wisodm of Solomon was quite clearly an influence on St. Paul, especially in the letter to the Romans (cf especially Romans 1.18-32 and Wisdom 13-14). [stuff deleted] True. Not all accepted them as Scripture, though niether were all the books of the New Testament so accepted, which puts to the lie the whole argument of the books being excluded because they were debated and not universally accepted. Hebrews, the Apocalypse, 2 Peter, Esther, and others were debated at various times, but eventually retained. As for the Codexes you mention, both Vaticanus and Sinaitcus include the Deuterocanon, bothe of the New and Old Testaments, and Vaticanus (I think) inlcudes 1 Clement, the Shepard of Hermas, and the Epistle of Baranabas. As for the Muratorian Canon, it deals with the New Testament only, though it is very valuable in its witness to those books. You're not wrong! It is a `tradition of men' to exlcude them, as I will explain below. "That nothing be read in the Church under the nmae of Divine Scripture, except the canonical Scriptures, and the canoncial Scriptures are - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, Four books of Kingdoms [being 1&2 Samuel and 1&2 Kings], Two books of Paralpomenon [being 1&2 Chronicles], Job, the Psalter of David, the Five books of Solomon [being Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom of Solomon, and [misatributed to him] the Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach], The books of the Twelve (Minor) Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah [being Jeremiah, the Lamentations, Baruch, and the Letter, all of which were formerly counted as one], Ezekiel, Daniel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Two books of Ezra [being Ezra and Nehemiah], Two books of Maccabees. And of the New Testament: Four books of the Gospel, One book of the Acts of the Apostles, Thirteen letters of Paul the Apostle, One Letter of the same to the Hebrews, two of Peter the Apostle, Three of John, One of the Apostle Jude, One of the Apostle James, One book of the Apocalypse of John." -Council of Hippo, Statute 36, (393 AD) This same list was promulgated again at the Third Council of Carthage (397 AD), and at the Sixth Council of Carthage (419 AD) - at which council the same list was enumerated with the words "Because we have recieved from the Fathers that these are the books to be read in the Church." Which ought to quiet those who assert "in the name of Holy Scripture we do understand those books of whose authority there was never any doubt in the Church," as the Episcopal Church does in removing the Deuterocanon from the realm of Scripture. (Though the Episcopalians hold them in high regard and read them in the Church, they are not counted as Scripture by them, and may not be used to prove dogma. The Lutherans hold out similarly.) Earlier mention of the so-called Apocrypha as divine scripture can also be found, and below I inlcude only a portion of the quotes calling it divine scripture that could be found among the writings of the Fathers. "And this is the reason why the Law of the old Testament is reckoned as consisting of twenty-two books: so that they may correspond to the number of letters [in the Hebrew alphabet].... It is to be noted also that by adding to these Tobias and Judith, there are twenty-four books, corresponding to the number of letters used by the Greeks." -St. Hillary of Poitiers, "Commentaries on the Psalms," prologue, 15 (365 AD) "The twenty-two books according to the Hebrews are .... Jeremiah, with Lamentations and the Letter, reckoned as one .... and [also] there is Maccabees." -Origen, "Commentaries on the Psalms," Psalm 1 (245 AD) "Divine Scripture, addressing itself to those who love themselves and to the boastful .... says most excellently [Baruch 3.16-19 follows]." -St. Clement of Alexandria, "The Instuctor of Children," 2, 3, 36, 3, (203 AD) "....I learned accurately the books of the Old Testament ... Proverbs of Solomon, and also Wisdom ..." -St. Melito of Sardes, fragment found in Eusebius' "History of the Church," and dating from crica 177 AD, Book 4, 26, 14 "It is likewise decreed: Now, indeed, we must treat of the divine Scriptures: what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she must shun. The list of the Old Testament .... Wisdom, one book; Ecclesiasticus, one book .... Tobit, one book .... Judith, one book; of Maccabees, two books." -St. Damasus I, Pope, "The Decree of Damsus," section 2 (382 AD)

... You can tell, folks, when the man has run out of reason: attack the man's beliefs (in legal terminology, argument ad hominem: attack the man, not what he did that has yet to be proven illegal)> WRONGo. Remember the fire movie a couple of years ago? "Backdraft"? The scene in the factory with propane gas coming out of pipes and gasoline all over the floor, with a 750 degree flame front overhead? Note that it did not flash all at once? Fires ignite and burn unpredictably. Gases (like tear gas) mix and distribute unevenly. And flash unevenly. You are not a fire analyst. You cannnot tell. (NB: Neither am I. And I cannot tell Nor is the FBI spokesman Nor is Reno Maybe we all should shut up and get a forensics analysis first. Yes,. there was a flash: in one room, just pumped full of it.,

We were talking about Migraine and Exercise (I'm the one who can't fathom the thought of exercise during migraine...). Anyway, turning the thread around, the other day I played tennis during my lunch hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.) I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the pain subsided. This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise. I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?). I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this? Thanks,

Scoring stats for the Swedish NHL players, April 5: =================================================== Mats Sundin watch: Most points during a season: 131 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 (49+82) 110 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 (43+67) * 109 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 (43+66) 106 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 (50+56) 104 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 (46+58) 99 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 (37+62) Most goals during a season: 50 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 49 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 46 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 45 Tomas Sandstrom, LA Kings 1990-91 43 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 * 43 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 Most assists during a season: 82 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 67 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 66 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1976-77 * 66 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 62 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 61 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1977-78 61 Thomas Steen, Winnipeg Jets 1988-89 Ulf Samuelsson watch: Most penalty minutes during a season: * 243 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 (through 3/25) 211 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1990-91 206 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92 184 Kjell Samuelsson, Philadelphia Flyers 1988-89 181 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1988-89 174 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1985-86 170 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1980-81 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL Rk Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born G A Pts PL Comment -- -- ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- -- -- --- -- ------- 1 Mats Sundin QUE 13 C 6-2 189 2/13/71 43 66 109 7 2 Ulf Dahlen MIN 22 RW 6-2 195 1/12/67 33 38 71 5 3 Thomas Steen WIN 25 C 5-10 195 6/ 8/60 21 43 64 5 4 Johan Garpenlov SJS 10 LW 5-11 185 3/21/68 21 40 61 5 5 Fredrik Olausson WIN 4 D 6-2 200 10/ 5/66 13 38 51 4 6 Tomas Sandstrom LAK 7 LW 6-2 207 9/ 4/64 22 24 46 2 7 Per-Erik Eklund PHI 9 LW 5-10 175 3/22/63 8 34 42 Injured 8 Calle Johansson WAS 6 D 5-11 205 2/14/67 6 35 41 1 9 Nicklas Lidstrom DET 5 D 6-2 180 4/28/70 7 33 40 2 10 Tommy Sjodin MIN 33 D 5-11 190 8/13/65 7 29 36 11 Ulf Samuelsson PIT 5 D 6-1 195 3/26/64 2 24 26 1 12 Mikael Andersson TBL 34 LW 5-11 185 5/10/66 13 11 24 1 13 Michael Nylander HFD 36 LW 5-11 176 10/ 3/72 5 16 21 2 14 Roger Johansson CGY 34 D 6-1 185 4/ 7/67 4 15 19 1 15 Jan Erixon NYR 20 LW 6-0 196 7/ 8/62 5 10 15 16 Peter Andersson NYR 25 D 6-0 187 8/29/65 4 7 11 1 17 Kjell Samuelsson PIT 28 D 6-6 235 10/18/58 3 6 9 2 18 Tommy Albelin NJD 6 D 6-1 190 5/21/64 1 5 6 19 Per Djoos NYR 44 D 5-11 176 5/11/68 1 1 2 Binghampton? 20 Niclas Andersson QUE 46 LW 5-8 169 5/20/71 0 1 1 Halifax 21 Thomas Forslund CGY 27 LW 6-0 185 11/24/68 0 1 1 Salt Lake 22 Patrik Carnback MON 20 LW 6-0 189 2/ 1/68 0 0 0 Injured 23 Patrik Kjellberg MON 27 LW 6-2 196 6/17/69 0 0 0 Fredericton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL=Rank Last week, Rk=Rank, J#=Jersey Number, Ps=Position, Born (mm/dd/yy) G=Goals, A=Assists, Pts=Points, PL=Points scored since Last posted list =============================================================================== Goalie stats: Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- Tommy Soderstrom PHI 30 G 5-9 163 7/17/69 / - - - - - T O T A L - - - - - \ mm/dd vs res r w/l/t sh - sv GP MP GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO A ----- ---- ---- - ----- -- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- --- -- -- 12/17 PIT 4-5 L 0-1-0 27 - 22 1 62 5 4.84 27 22 0.815 12/19 CHI 3-1 W 1-1-0 28 - 27 2 122 6 2.95 55 49 0.891 12/20 @TBL 1-4 L 1-2-0 31 - 27 3 182 10 3.30 86 76 0.884 12/23 PIT 0-4 L 1-3-0 26 - 22 4 242 14 3.47 112 98 0.875 12/26 @WAS 5-5 T 1-3-1 41 - 36 5 307 19 3.71 153 134 0.876 12/29 @LAK 10-2 W 2-3-1 43 - 41 6 367 21 3.43 196 175 0.893 12/30 @SJS 6-2 W 3-3-1 35 - 33 7 427 23 3.23 231 208 0.900 1/ 2 @CGY 3-7 L 3-4-1 32 - 26 8 486 29 3.58 263 234 0.890 1/ 3 @EDM 2-2 T 3-4-2 33 - 31 9 551 31 3.38 296 265 0.895 1/ 7 WAS 8-2 W 4-4-2 33 - 31 10 611 33 3.24 329 296 0.900 1/ 9 NYR 4-3 W 5-4-2 26 - 23 11 671 36 3.22 355 319 0.899 1/10 EDM 4-0 W 6-4-2 29 - 29 12 731 36 2.95 384 348 0.906 1 1/14 CGY 4-4 T 6-4-3 27 - 23 13 796 40 3.02 411 371 0.903 1/16 @BOS 5-4 W 7-4-3 37 - 33 14 856 44 3.08 448 404 0.902 1/17 DET 4-7 L 7-5-3 36 - 29 15 916 51 3.34 484 433 0.895 1/21 BOS 4-5 L 7-6-3 32 - 27 16 976 56 3.44 516 460 0.891 1/23 @NYI 4-8 L 7-7-3 31 - 23 17 1036 64 3.71 547 483 0.883 1 1/24 HFD 5-4 W 8-7-3 25 - 21 18 1098 68 3.72 572 504 0.881 1/30 @PIT 2-4 L 8-8-3 35 - 32 19 1157 71 3.68 607 536 0.883 2/ 3 @NYR 2-2 T 8-8-4 38 - 36 20 1222 73 3.58 645 572 0.887 2/ 9 OTT 8-1 W 9-8-4 28 - 27 21 1282 74 3.46 673 599 0.890 2/11 MTL 0-0 T 9-8-5 23 - 23 22 1347 74 3.30 696 622 0.894 2 2/13 @NJD 4-6 L 9-9-5 32 - 26 23 1407 80 3.41 728 648 0.890 2/14 NJD 2-5 L 9-10-5 26 - 21 24 1467 85 3.48 754 669 0.887 2/16 @CGY 4-4 T 9-10-6 29 - 29 25 1512 85 3.37 783 698 0.891 2/18 @VAN 3-2 W 10-10-6 30 - 28 26 1572 87 3.32 813 726 0.893 2/20 @MIN 2-5 L 10-11-6 33 - 28 27 1632 92 3.38 846 754 0.891 2/22 DET 5-5 - 10-11-6 15 - 12 28 1653 95 3.45 861 766 0.890 3/ 2 PIT 5-4 W 11-11-6 22 - 21 29 1689 96 3.41 883 787 0.891 3/ 5 @WAS 3-0 W 12-11-6 36 - 36 30 1749 96 3.29 919 823 0.896 3 3/ 7 @NJD 4-7 L 12-12-6 41 - 35 31 1808 102 3.38 960 858 0.894 3/ 9 @NYI 2-4 L 12-13-6 24 - 21 32 1867 105 3.37 984 879 0.893 3/11 WAS 6-4 W 13-13-6 28 - 24 33 1927 109 3.39 1012 903 0.892 3/16 MIN 4-3 W 14-13-6 34 - 31 34 1987 112 3.38 1046 934 0.893 3/20 @PIT 3-9 L 14-14-6 27 - 20 35 2027 119 3.52 1073 954 0.889 3/21 NJD 2-3 L 14-15-6 27 - 24 36 2086 122 3.51 1100 978 0.889 3/24 @NYR 5-4 W 15-15-6 45 - 41 37 2146 126 3.52 1145 1019 0.890 2 3/27 @QUE 3-8 L 15-16-6 25 - 19 38 2186 132 3.62 1170 1038 0.887 4/ 1 LAK 1-3 L 15-17-6 26 - 23 39 2246 135 3.61 1196 1061 0.887 4/ 4 TOR 4-0 W 16-17-6 26 - 26 40 2306 135 3.51 1222 1087 0.890 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- res=result, sh=shots, sv=saves GP=Games Played, MP=Minutes Played, GA=Goals Against, GAA=Goals Against Average SOG=Shots On Goal, SV=SaVes, SV%=SaVing Percentage, SO=ShutOuts, A=Assists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Staffan