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. . . Since I was born in the late Pleistocene, I too remember 1964. That year, the Dodgers were several games out of first and I think finished sixth in the league. This was kind of odd because they won the World Series both the previous year and the following year. -- Warren Usui

[...] I struggled with the margin problem for ages as well, until I finally got hold of the shareware binary editor BEAV133, and dug into NOTEPAD.EXE (there is no SETUP facility to force NOTEPAD to default to 0.0 margins- it's hardwired into code!!!). Do a SEARCH for ".75", then change the offending bytes to ".00", et viola. Who are the guys who hardcode these "options" anyway? I'm interested in whether the problem only rears it's ugly head for certain printers- I'm using an old Epson LX-800 (or is that EX-800? never can remember).

Has anyone noticed or commented on the fact that so many of those who were willing, nay demanding, that we wait forever for Mr Hussein and Iraq, that we use tremendously costly "sanctions", to avoid a loss of life, are now at the fore front of those clammoring that we should have smashed those "religious radicals" and we were wasting money allowing this stand off to go on ? How the worm turns when the sect changes.

Did you miss my post on this topic with the quote from The Indonesian Handbook and Fred Rice's comments about temporary marriages? If so, I will be glad to repost them. Will you accept that it just may be a practice among some Muslims, if I do? Or will you continue to claim that we are all lying and that it is "not practised at all amongst Muslims". I don't think F. Karner has to tell everyone anything. Least of all that he is lying.

: : Seriously, though, Griffen didn't save the lives of children, and he did : destroy the life of a man, so on the most superficial of levels, he's scum. : I almost agree, but Griffen is not scum. Scum has no guilt or freedom to choose anything. Griffen does. God did not make scum when he made Griffen. He made a precious person and this person chose to do wrong. The same goes for Dr. Gunn. : But if you are to examine it more closely, Griffen would have preferred that : these children were born -- yet AFTER their birth, did Griffen have any : assistance to offer them? Did Griffen intend to support them, educate them, : raise them up to be useful citizens? Did he have any intent whatsoever : to help these children after birth? : Here's the real problem. Americans have become so insensitive to the needs of others and so completely wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see straight or think clearly enough to make even the slightest and most obvious moral decisions based on reality. If a man abandons a woman to care for their child on her own, he is not considered to be a very respectable or decent man by anyone. This man has fled his responsibility, has behaved like a lazy coward, and has turned away from his responsibility to his wife and child. However, if a woman decides to kill her unborn child to release her burden, she is not thought of in the same way. When the man abandons, the woman suffers but the child is free to grow up and live a happy and normal life. When the woman abandons, the child is diced or killed with saline or vacuumed out, and the man has no choice, and the man sometimes suffers so badly that he wishes he could trade places with his child. Ths root of this whole problem is selfishness--the arrogance that says, "My feelings and desires are supreme and your well being is not worth dung." And when you come down to it, this is the substance of what hell is made of. It's the reason a loving God can throw selfish people to the devil and his demons for all of eternity. Let any one of us unrepentant into heaven, and we'll ruin it the first chance we get. : Now, I don't really know the answer to these questions, but I've got a real : good guess. : And, it's probably right. : And I wouldn't call *that* 'benevolent', either. : It is a move in the right direction. As it is now, we don't see our responsibility because we kill it and get it out of sight. The media backs us completely. Real responsibility does not sell. The only "responsibility" that sells in the marketplace is that which is just enough to make us "feel responsible" without showing anything that might show us our own true irresponsibility. We want to "feel" like good people, but we want nothing with *being* good people. Just give me the freedom to say "I'm good", and the rest of the world can burn. Rape and kill my children and throw my parents to the places where poor old folks rot until they're dead. I'll hate my brother and sister if I wish and I'll cheat on my wife or husband. Screw the government, because it screws me, and don't talk to me about giving to the church because church people are all a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites. But, I'm a good person. At least I admit what I do. At least I love myself and we all know that is the greatest love in the world--not that a man lay down his life for his brother...That sounds too "christian". At the root, this is the substance of what hell is made of. We've become a self indulgant, backslidden society no longer responsible to our children, to our parents, to our families, to our government, or to our God. This is the root behind justification of every evil, of every corruption in government, of every slanderous remark, of every lie, and of every murder. Society cannot continue to live like this long. it will have to destroy itsself soon, and perhaps in the end, that will be the biggest blessing this world can hope to see. Why do people see so much evil in trying to turn this situation around? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "I deplore the horrible crime of child murder... We want prevention, not merely punishment. We must reach the root of the evil... It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed... No mater what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed... but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."

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Actually, Messier was invited, but declined due to nagging injuries... Keenan and Messier have always gotten along...Keenan dumped Steve Yzerman from the last Canada Cup team, even though Yzerman had endured the training camp, when Messier who had missed essentially the entire camp recovering from injuries became available at the last moment.

Phil> Didn't one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think Phil> the germans did some work on these in WWII. The NACA came up with them before World War II. NASA is directly descended from the NACA, with space added in. You'll notice that I didn't mention sweep wings even though the X-5, tested at what's now Dryden, had them. We did steal that one dirctly from the Germans. The difference is that swept wings don't change their angle of sweep, sweep wings do. Perhaps the similarity of names has caused some confusion? 747s have swept wings, F-111s have sweep wings. Phil> A lot of this was also done by the military... After NASA aerodynamicists proposed them and NASA test teams demonstrated them. Richard Whitcomb and R.T. Jones, at Langley Research Center, were giants in the field. Dryden was involved in the flight testing of winglets and area ruling (in the 70s and 50s, respectively). It's true that we used military aircraft as the testbeds (KC-135 and YF-102) but that had more to do with availability and need than with military involvement. The YF-102 was completely ours and the KC-135 was bailed to us. The Air Force, of course, was interested in our results and supportive of our efforts. Dryden flew the first digital fly by wire aircraft in the 70s. No mechnaical or analog backup, to show you how confident we were. General Dynamics decided to make the F-16 flyby-wire when they saw how successful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.) Phil> Egad! I'm disagreeing with Mary Shafer! The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base can't do.

I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)378-3292

AY> In many recent advertisements I have seen both "486DX-50" and "486DX AY>based systems. Does the first really exists and does it imply that all AY>circuitry on the motherboard with it works at that speed, as opposite AY>latter, where only the internals of the CPU are working at 50MHz? AY> AY> Many thanx in advance! AY> AY>Andrew. Andrew, yes there is a DX and DX2 version of the 50MHz 486. If you are considering buying one or the other, definitely go for the DX with a nice size external cache! The performance is far greater. The DX2 only has the internal 8k cache to work with at 50MHz, while the DX has a potentially much larger cache to work at 50MHz with. Neither systems could actually run a program out of main memory, since DRAM is still too slow for that high of bus speed ( 60ns = 16.66MHz < 50MHz ). -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959

Nick Haines sez; >(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in >maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case). Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in? This is a rating system used by ARPA and other organisations to measure the maturity of a `software process' i.e. the entire process by which software gets designed, written, tested, delivered, supported etc. See `Managing the Software Process', by Watts S. Humphrey, Addison Wesley 1989. An excellent software engineering text. The 5 levels of software process maturity are: 1. Initial 2. Repeatable 3. Defined 4. Managed 5. Optimizing The levels are approximately characterized as follows: 1. no statistically software process control. Have no statistical basis for estimating how large software will be, how long it will take to produce, how expensive it will be, or how reliable it will be. Most software production is at this level. 2. stable process with statistical controls, rigorous project management; having done something once, can do it again. Projects are planned in detail, and there is software configuration management and quality assurance. 3. The process is defined and understood, implementation is consistent. This includes things like software inspection, a rigorous software testing framework, more configuration management, and typically a `software engineering process group' within the project. 4. Statistical information on the software is systematically gathered and analysed, and the process is controlled on the basis of this information. Software quality is measured and has goals. 5. Defects are prevented, the process is automated, software contracts are effective and certified.

Hi I need a one way flight ticket from Des Moines to Chicago on the 28th of May 1993. please send your replies to jasonlim@iastate.edu or to this account as soon as possible thank you

Ethnocentric USian that I am, I've assumed that we and the xUSSR were the only countries with significant capabilities to track non-cooperative objects in low Earth orbit. Grazing in a couple of databases recently, I found that Japan has some optical capabilities along this line, and also uses a radar designed for other purposes for orbital debris surveys (it isn't clear whether the radar can determine orbital elements for the objects it detects). Abstracts of the articles are appended. This leads to the more general question: do yet other people than the US, Russia, and Japan do space surveillance, and if so, how and why? Allen Thomson SAIC McLean, VA, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ABSTRACTS Optical tracking of the experimental geodetic satellite (EGS) TAKABE, MASAO; ITABE, TOSHIKAZU; ARUGA, TADASHI Radio Research Laboratory, Review (ISSN 0033-801X), vol. 34, March 1988, p. 23-34. In Japanese, with abstract in English. This paper reports the optical tracking results of EGS (experimental geodetic satellite) which was launched on August 13, 1986, by NASDA. The EGS optical tracking experiment process and an outline of the Radio Research Laboratory (RRL) optical ground <---- station are discussed. A star tracking technique for optical equipment calibration and satellite tracking technique for orbit prediction improvement are also described. The accuracy of EGS tracking data obtained by RRL at the request of NASDA is also discussed. In addition, it is briefly demonstrated that the position of the Japanese amateur satellite (JAS-1) which was launched with the EGS, was accurately determined by means of a <---- satellite tracking video. It is clear from this experiment that <---- optical observation data (i.e., satellite direction data) are very <---- useful for satellite orbit determination during initial launch <---- stages. Furthermore, the results confirm the effectivenes of these <---- two satellite optical tracking techniques. <---- MU radar measurements of orbital debris SATO, TORU; KAYAMA, HIDETOSHI; FURUSAWA, AKIRA; KIMURA, IWANE (Kyoto University, Japan) AIAA, NASA, and DOD, Orbital Debris Conference: Technical Issues and Future Directions, Baltimore, MD, Apr. 16-19, 1990. 10 p. RPN: AIAA PAPER 90-1343 Distributions of orbital debris versus height and scattering cross section are determined from a series of observations made with a high- power VHF Doppler radar (MU radar) of Japan. An automated data processing algorithm has been developed to discriminate echoes of orbiting objects from those of undesired signals such as meteor trail echoes or lightning atmospherics. Although the results are preliminary, they showed good agreement with those from NORAD tracking radar <---- observations using a much higher frequency. It is found that the <---- collision frequency of a Space Station of 1 km x 1 km size at an altitude of 500 km with orbiting debris is expected to be as high as once per two years. Monitoring of the MU radar antenna pattern by Satellite Ohzora (EXOS-C) SATO, T.; INOOKA, Y.; FUKAO, S. (Kyoto Univ., Japan); KATO, S. Kyoto Univ., Uji (Japan). Radio Atmospheric Science Center. In International Council of Scientific Unions, Middle Atmosphere Program. Handbook for MAP, Vol. 20 5 p Publication Date: Jun. 1986 As the first attempt among MST (mesosphere stratosphere troposphere) type radars, the MU (middle and upper atmosphere) radar features an active phased array system. Unlike the conventional large VHF radars, in which output power of a large vacuum tube is distributed to individual antenna elements, each of 475 solid state power amplifier feeds each antenna element. This system configuration enables very fast beam steering as well as various flexible operations by dividing the antenna into independent subarrays, because phase shift and signal division/combination are performed at a low signal level using electronic devices under control of a computer network. The antenna beam can be switched within 10 microsec to any direction within the zenith angle of 30 deg. Since a precise phase alignment of each element is crucial to realize the excellent performance of this system, careful calibration of the output phase of each power amplifier and antenna element was carried out. Among various aircraft which may be used for this purpose artificial satellites have an advantage of being able to make a long term monitoring with the same system. An antenna pattern monitoring system for the MU radar was developed using the scientific satellite OHZORA (EXOS-C). A receiver named MUM (MU radar antenna Monitor) on board the satellite measures a CW signal of 100 to 400 watts transmitted from the MU radar. The principle of the measurement and results are discussed.

I would e-mail this to you, but my mailserver doesn't recognize you or something. Anyway, the worst pitcher on the Yanks. If you mean currently on the team, then I have to go with Scott "I'm a schizophrenic...No, I'm NOT!" Kamienicki. Sure, occasionally the guy can pitch well for 5 or 6 innings, but then he starts to go insane. A sure sign that he's losing his stuff (and his mind) is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters and yell at himself. The worst all-time Yanks pitcher? Gotta go with Ed "New York? I have to pitch in [gulp] New York?" Whitson. 'Nuff said! --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall XVIII

Who knows... I just quoted what was "written" in SCSI Director... I've tried calling Transoft Corp about this and have either gotten the response "Huh?" to "Yep" to "Nah"... You would expect that a damaging state- ment like this would have _some_ "data" to back it up... Anyone want Transoft's phone number?

he Are we talking about ColorView for DOS here? I have version 2.0 and it writes the temp files to its own current directory. What later versions do, I admit that I don't know. Assuming your "expert" referenced above is talking about the version that I have, then I'd say he is correct. Is the ColorView for unix what is being discussed? Just mixed up, confused, befuddled, but genuinely and entirely curious.... Uncle Fester

Of course, I'd still recommend that Michael read _True and Reasonable_ by Douglas Jacoby. Joe Fisher

(Attempting to define 'objective morality'): So long as you keep that "almost" in there, freedom will be a mostly valuable thing, to most people. That is, I think you're really saying, "a real big lot of people agree freedom is subjectively valuable to them". That's good, and a quite nice starting point for a moral system, but it's NOT UNIVERSAL, and thus not "objective". It isn't in Sahara.

Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed. As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS) You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions. It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other manufacturer Christian Bauer

Well folks, after some thought the answer struck me flat in the face: "Why would Apple release a Duo Dock with a processor of its own?" Here's why- People have hounded Apple for a notebook with a 68040 processor in it. Apple can't deliver that right now because the 040 saps too much power, radiates far too much heat, and is too large for a notebook. How does one get around that without designing a new chipset? Use existing PowerBook technology to your best advantage. The Duo Dock gives Apple a unique ability to give users that 040 power in a "Semi-Portable" fashion. By plunking the 040 into the Dock, you've got "quadra" power at your desk. On the road, that 33mhz 68030 should be able to handle most of your needs. Okay, not the BEST solution, but its an answer to a no-win situation. :-) So, does this mean one will be able to use the PowerBook's processor in parallel to the dock's processor? Okay, we're getting REALLY hypothetical now...

I've been hearing rumblings about Fresco, and it sounds like it may be what I'm looking for, but how far is it from release, or at least some kind of availability? How similar is it to InterViews? If I code to InterViews, will my code work with Fresco? How about Motif? I've heard some mention of versions of InterViews which support Motif. Will it be feasible to use Motif with Fresco? Any information would be much appreciated. - Brad

This subject seems to be incredibly inflammatory. Those who subscribe to _Biblical Archaeology Review_ will remember a spectacular letter battle set off when someone complained about a Franklin Mint ad. (_BAR_ is a great magazine, but the contrast between the rather scholarly articles and the incredibly sleazy ads is extreme.) In this ad, they were hawking a doll with a head based on the famous bust of Nefertiti, giving the face a typical doll-pink complexion. The letter complained about this as a misrepresentation on the grounds that Nefertiti was "a beautiful black queen." This set off an exchange of hotheaded letters than ran for several issues, to the point where they had an article from an Egyptologist titled "Was Cleopatra Black?" (The answer to the title is "no"-- she was greek.) I have to say that I hear a hysterical note in much of the complaining. I personally have seen only one blond-haired Jesus (in the National Shrine in Wash. DC), and I found it very jarring. Western representations vary enourmously, but in general the image of is of a youngish male with dark hair and beard, of a sort that can be found (modulo the nose) all up and down the Mediterranean. (Also, if what I remember is correct, the "Black Madonna" doesn't represent a person with negroid features. It is black because of an accident. Joe Buehler....?) In the presence of all those marble statues, one is prone to forget that greeks are rather likely to have black hair. When one crosses the bosporus, the situation breaks down completely. Are Turks white? How about Persians, or various groups in the indian subcontinent? Was Gandhi white? How about the Arabs? Or picture Nassar and Sadat standing side by side. And then there are the Ethiopians.... Those of a white racist bent are not likely to say that *any* of these people are "white" (i.e., of the racist's "race"). If I may risk a potentially inflammatory remark, one undercurrent of this seems to be the identification of modern jews as members of the oppressor race. Considering the extreme dicotomy between medieval religion on the one hand and medieval antisemitism on the other, I don't think that this "Jesus was white" thesis ever played the roles that some hold it did. Representations of Jesus as black or korean or whatever are fine. It seems awfully self-serving to insist that Jesus belongs to one's own racial group.

#> Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and #> they are not prostitutes. #No, I suppose they must be sluts. Nope. They both are very nice women, whom I'm good friends with. Or do you think its ok to rape anyone when you don't like the way they dress? #> Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments. #Where? Calling someone names, as you did. Are you ignorant of what an ad hominem argument is? #You provided absolutely no evidence, chump. I provided a quote from the judge. What else do you want?

I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is granted to copy this without restriction. Note for newbies: The Delta Clipper project is geared towards producing a single staget to orbit, reusable launch vehicle. The DC-X vehicle is a 1/3 scale vehicle designed to test some of the concepts invovled in SSTO. It is currently undergoing tests. The DC-Y vehicle would be a full scale experimental vehicle capable of reaching orbit. It has not yet been funded. On April 6th, Rocky Nelson of MacDonnell Douglas gave a talk entitled "Optimizing Techniques for Advanced Space Missions" here at the University of Illinois. Mr Nelson's job involves using software to simulate trajectories and determine the optimal trajectory within given requirements. Although he is not directly involved with the Delta Clipper project, he has spent time with them recently, using his software for their applications. He thus used the DC-Y project for most of his examples. While I don't think the details of implicit trajectory simulation are of much interest to the readers (I hope they aren't - I fell asleep during that part), I think that many of you will be interested in some of the details gleaned from the examples. The first example given was the maximization of payload for a polar orbit. The main restriction is that acceleration must remain below 3 Gs. I assume that this is driven by passenger constraints rather than hardware constraints, but I did not verify that. The Delta Clipper Y version has 8 engines - 4 boosters and 4 sustainers. The boosters, which have a lower isp, are shut down in mid-flight. Thus, one critical question is when to shut them down. Mr Nelson showed the following plot of acceleration vs time: ______ 3 G /| / | / | / | As ASCII graphs go, this is actually fairly / | / | good. The big difference is that the lines 2 G / |/ | made by the / should be curves which are / | concave up. The data is only approximate, as / | the graph wasn't up for very long. 1 G / | | | 0 G | ^ ^ ~100 sec ~400 sec As mentioned before, a critical constraint is that G levels must be kept below 3. Initially, all eight engines are started. As the vehicle burns fuel the accelleration increases. As it gets close to 3G, the booster engines are throtled back. However, they quickly become inefficient at low power, so it soon makes more sense to cut them off altogether. This causes the dip in accelleration at about 100 seconds. Eventually the remaining sustainer engines bring the G level back up to about 3 and then hold it there until they cut out entirely. The engine cutoff does not acutally occur in orbit. The trajectory is aimed for an altitude slightly higher than the 100nm desired and the last vestiges of air drag slow the vehicle slightly, thus lowering the final altitude to that desired. Questions from the audience: (paraphrased) Q: Would it make sense to shut down the booster engines in pairs, rather than all at once? A: Very perceptive. Worth considering. They have not yet done the simulation. Shutting down all four was part of the problem as given. Q: So what was the final payload for this trajectory? A: Can't tell us. "Read Aviation Leak." He also apparently had a good propulsion example, but was told not to use it. My question: Does anyone know if this security is due to SDIO protecting national security or MD protecting their own interests? The second example was reentry simulation, from orbit to just before the pitch up maneuver. The biggest constraint in this one is aerodynamic heating, and the parameter they were trying to maximize was crossrange. He showed graphs of heating using two different models, to show that both were very similar, and I think we were supposed to assume that this meant they were very accurate. The end result was that for a polar orbit landing at KSC, the DC-Y would have about 30 degrees of crossrange and would start it's reentry profile about 60 degrees south latitude. I would have asked about the landing maneuvers, but he didn't know about that aspect of the flight profile.

# #No doubt this is an old question, but I didn't find the answer in the #FAQs I could find, so - here goes: # #I have a Sunview application that I want to convert to X (OpenLook, #Motiv, whatever). I remember hearing quite some time ago that there #are tools to accomplish this task. # # a) is that so? # b) are they public domain? # c) any good, i.e. # d) advantages over reimplementing the interface myself? # The simple answer is for you to obtain use XView to do this. XView is a one to one replacement for Sunview. It should already be provided with you Sun running OpenWindows. It is also free available as part of the contrib side of the MIT X11R5 release. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

Other people have already shown this to be a rediculous proposal. however, I wanted to point out that there are many people who do not think that affirmative action is a either intelligent or productive. It is demeaning to those who it supposedly helps and it is discriminatory. Any proposal based on it is likely bunk as well. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu

Well, I never wrote that I would act as you described. I stated that I would not block a would-be passer. I would not block a would-be passer "for their own good" or for any reason other than I was prevented from doing so due to the traffic circumstance. I fail to see how deterring a passer under these circumstance would IN ANY WAY decrease YOUR chances of being involved in an accident, fatal or otherwise. In fact, I could imagine how blocking a would-be passer would actually INCREASE your chances of being "offed" or involved in an accident, especially if this "passer" is riding your bumper. Intentionally blocking a person riding your bumper is certainly NOT a "wise driving practice", it only causes the jam to become more congested. I don't mess with trucks and I actually watch the road ahead AND the road behind! If I perceive that I am rapidly closing on a "pack" of vehicles, I try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you decribe. Usually either traffic is just building and I have to deal with this fact of life, or I wait to a slow passer to complete their pass and make way for the pack to clear. If someone decides then to pull up on my bumper, I signal my intention to move to the right, and do so at the first opportunity (& hope they will open the jam). I feel this is not only courteous driving, but ALOT safer than the actions you advocate!!! There are actually many courteous drivers on the road who do not intentionally impede others.

The word that is missing in this whole discourse is not the "B" word, or the "H" word, or even the "N" or "W" words. It is the "L" word - LOSER !! That's right. When we boil all the crap out of this argument, it is all about WINNING and LOSING, and nothing else. Let me explain. Remember the eighties ? No excuses. Nobody who can handle a mail buffer can claim they are "too young" to remember Ronald Reagan - yet. The eighties were about "How America Learned to Win Once Again". Then (wouldn't you know), we won so well that there was nothing left to win. No Cold War to endure. No nuclear holocaust. No more worlds to conquer (We forgot about outer space long ago). The kind of overwhelming, no holds barred success that killed Alexander the Great. Yes, there were a few "little" problems along the way - stock market meltdown here, an S&L bailout there, a few revolts and crazy Middle Eastern dictators to contend with, but as Tacitus would tell ya', the God Augustus never had it so good. In the meantime, there is guilt for winning, maybe a fear that one doesn't deserve one's bounty - or success. So there is a "kinder and gentler type of politician these days, Bill Clinton, affirmative action, and lots of discourse about people who "don't get it". For those of us in the winning business, this kind of talk is mildly irritating, but there is still no suggestion of losing. But what do we find now ? To put it mildy, the stereotype of our "white male" non-winner is Woody Hayes in the Rose Bowl, punching out photojournalists when those California fruits and nuts steal another one with a "Hail Mary" pass in the Fourth Quarter. (The whole idea behind 'three yards and a cloud of dust' is to wear your opponent down until he collapses in the final period) But Woody just used his fists - Uzzies seem to be the weapon of choice these days. Who is D-FENS, anyway ? The answer is as plain as the horn rims on your face. The guy is MICHAEL DOUGLAS, posing as a LOSER. This is known as controversial casting. But that baggy short-sleeved white shirt sure does look natural on Mike doesn't it. Gordon Gekko will never look the same. (Though Woody always dressed that way.) Did we really expect Gekko to take it easy and enjoy that kind of wardrobe, without putting up a fuss ? What we are starting to lose sight of is, that bashing D-FENS is the same game as bashing that poor African American slug that Clint Eastwood used to blow away all the time. As that arch-WASP (male gender) George C. Scott declaimed, "Americans traditionally LOVE TO WIN. They love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser." And so on. The political implications are simple. If, as many socialists - and Democrats - do, you consider society a finite pie to a apportioned in some "equitable" way, then you have to worry about who is a winner and who is a loser to tell whose side you are on. That could be black women today, Asian homosexuals tommorrow, and yes indeed, white men some yet to be determined day when the balance of the pie has finally swung against that (39%) minority. Or you can just blow the whole thing off and say - as do most conservatives and all the libertarians - and act is if you didn't care who's winning and who's losing. In some cases, you might say something about make sure the game is fair (equality of opportunity, not of condition). In the latter case, you might be able to identify yourself as a "neoconservative" or a "neoliberal" depending on how much you want to limit the pot. Either way you go, the way of the Winner is no longer the way to be popular - at least after you graduate from High School (but you'll still be popular at High School reunions). But it beats being a Nerd, as I would imagine Michael Douglas would now agree, and in the long run, it is the only way to go. (Even in Hollywood, which treats Losers worse than any other place in America except for New York and Washington, D.C. - and even in Columbus, Ohio, which produced Alex Keaton, but no champion football teams in the eighties and the first quarter of the nineties) I'd like to see more Winners in this society, regardless of race, gender, religious preference, and sexual orientation. Maybe we should even let a few more of them be white men !! (We should DEFINITELY let the Buckeyes win the Rose Bowl someday) Bill R. --

Hey Serdar, What are you retarded?

Pascal Perret, in article <1993Apr21.125750.263@eicn.etna.ch>, wrote Funny thing, the InterNet: I have no idea what xv221 might be - except that it might be something to do with X-windows on PCs (? If you know, and have used it, and think that it is good, email me. [ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au]). DV/X is a common abbreviation for QuarterDeck corporation's Desqview/X software. I have not used DV/X yet, but reading the blurbs that Quarterdeck sent me, it sounds pretty great: * allows multiple DOS machines - the way that OS/2 does, but without requiring 10 MB of RAM to get OS/2 going * pre-emptive multi-tasking * network computing - a proper X-windows client/server application - this means that DOS program can be used on other X-windows computers on your network, and that X-windows programs can be used on your DV/X computer * although it is NOT a version of Unix, it effectively has many of Unix's features, and mostly you will be able to compile unix-type programs using the djgpp or gnu c compilers They advertise regularly in all of the major computing and programming magazines. They also have InterNet support online (support@qdeck.com). Hope that this helps anyone wanting to know.

Howdy all, Where could I find a screen-grabber program for MS-Windows? I'm writing up some documentation and it would be VERY helpful to include sample screens into the document. Please e-mail as I don't usualy follow this group. Thanks a lot, Grant

The VW "Thing" Kubelwagen lookalike is still manufactured in Mexico and possibly South America. Good luck importing one-- They probably don't meet US safety and pollution requirements. There are mechanics and junkyards which specialize in VW; they might be helpful for finding a "Thing" unless the WWII re-enacters have grabbed them all. The WWII Kubelwagen was the German equivalent of the Jeep, but was not 4- wheel drive. One is on display at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox, Kentucky, also the rare "Schwimwagen" (sp?) amphibious version, in full-scale dioramas. Highly recommended! --

Or, with no dictionary available, they could gain first hand knowledge by suffering through one of your posts. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.

The r.s.h FAQ sheet never fails to crash my newsreader. The only way I can avoid crashing (and restarting the machine) is to look at the headers and avoid reading the FAQ. Does anyone else have problems reading the FAQ?

/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) / 8:51 pm Apr 12, 1993 / I've been watching this knife verses gun bit for a while now, (even contributed a few comments) but this stuff "I'd rather face a knife than a gun" has GOT to come from ignorance! I used to think pretty much the same thing, then I got 'educated.' People do not as a rule understand how deadly knives can be, or how quickly you can be killed with one. Most people don't understand that it takes less than an inch of penetration in some areas to cause quick (within a minute or so) death. The death rates from handguns and knives are within a few percentage points of each other. Many people not realizing how deadly knives are 'try their luck' and thus more get injured by knives. A gun is deadly only in a single direction and it's only advantage is that it is a remote control weapon. A contact weapon such as a knife controls a spherical area 7 to 10 feet in diameter. Most people have never seen knife wounds, aside from slicing a finger by accident. From 21 feet or so, a knife is very nearly an even match for a holstered gun in experienced hands, even if the knife wielder has only moderate skill. From inside 10 feet or so, a knife is a match for a DRAWN gun. A knife is utterly silent, it never jams and never runs out of ammunition. It is limited only by the speed, dexterity skill and ability of it's wielder. Criminals in general are young, fast and strong. It's interesting to note that the patterned slashing attacks used by many martial artists remarkably resemble the wild uncontrolled slashing attacks of novices. I've talked to several well trained martial artists. They have unanimously agreed that if they ever go up against a knife they simply plan on being cut, hopefully not as bad as the attacker. Practicing with firearms requires facilities and equipment. Practicing with knives requires only a small area and something to simulate a knife, say a popsicle stick or tooth brush. Criminals practice their knife attacks in prison. If you have not trained against knives with a firearm and do not realize these facts the first inkling you will have that something is wrong is the knife ripping through your throat, or in the case of an experienced attacker, parts of your body falling off onto the ground. A 60 year old man with arthritis can close that 7 yard distance and gut you in about one and a half seconds. Dennis Tueller with a broken leg in a walking cast managed it in two. I've seen people close that distance and strike in 1 second. I'm old, over weight and slow. I can do it in 1.3 seconds. I've seen morgue footage of people killed with edged weapons that you would not believe. (How about a single stab wound to the chest with a TABLE FORK! In this case the attacker used the HANDLE, not the pointed end.) Add to this the 'fact' that hand gun 'stopping' power is largely a myth. Except in the case of a central nervous system shot, or a round that destroys the skeletal structure, it takes anywhere from 3 to twelve seconds for a bullet wound to 'take effect.' This is true of even heart shots. There is the case of the police woman in L.A., the first recorded survivor of a .357 shot to the heart. That lady not only killed her attacker, but chased him down to do it! All four of her shots, fired after SHE had been shot, struck the perp. Atta girl! The bullet entered her on a downward angle, went through the apex of her heart, down through the diaphragm, clipped her liver and destroyed her spleen. It then exited her back leaving a tennis ball sized hole. She died about six times on the operating table, but was out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight months! She was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest. She was on her way home so happened to have her gun. No, she doesn't think civilians should have the same rights. Sigh. The moral of the story is that even if you DO manage to shoot a knife attacker, you'd better be planning on doing some dodging. A good alternative is to shoot for and break the pelvis. People can often walk (a little) on broken legs but a broken pelvis will nearly always anchor them. Many firearms schools recommend pelvis shots against contact weapons. The target is as large as the traditional 'center of mass' and is more reliable to STOP somebody with a contact weapon, assuming a caliber powerful enough to 'do the job.' Hot .38's on up will usually do this. Remember folks, the idea isn't to 'take em with you' but for you to live and them to fail, whatever the consequences for them. This the reason 'killing them' isn't our goal, or in many cases even good enough to keep us alive. I don't want to face a violent attack of any sort. Knowing what I now know, I can't rightly say I'd rather face a knife than an gun. It would have to depend on the attacker, and if I could pick and choose, I WOULDN'T BE THERE. This is really the bottom line. Criminals do not fear the law. Criminals do not fear the weapon. They fear the citizen behind the weapon that has shown the resolution and determination to do whatever it takes.

No. As soon as you blit two of this icons once on top of the other with a little dislocation, you see the rectangular blit crashes too much of the icon first blitted, because it draws a full rectangle. The way to do it is masking: Create a bitmap with all pixels to be merged are 1 and all not to be merged are 0. Then, set the clip_mask of the gc to this bitmap, set the clip_x_origin and clip_y_origin of the gc to the x/y coordinates where you blit the icon to the destination drawable, use GXCopy, and XCopyArea() the icon pixmap to the destination drawable using this gc.

You obviously did not watch the Twins in Chicago. No cold spell? It's been snowing most of the week in Minnesota. (5 inches in Duluth last weekend) Yup.

I have a Bel-966. I just looked at the manual yesterday... and it does indeed claim to be undetectable by RDD's.

But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima somewhere. You *can* have it both ways :-) Spiros

Jim Brown wrote : [ deleted ] [ deleted ] Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The KJV is preferred by the majority of fundamentalists (at least here). The second part of your argument fails as well, since that statement can be used against any version (not just the KJV). [ deleted ] [ deleted ] I would not find this statement to be very useful since it is an appeal to authority and the opposition will just claim that their authorities are "better". A second tact that local creationists have used is to reply "but those scholars are atheists and cannot be believed" (they will also use this phrase to describe any theologians that they don't agree with). [ deleted ] [ deleted ]

Mysstem crashes aftwer sleepp. I use 1.0.1 enabler. I use appletalk and filesharing. I have and ExpressModem. --Lowell

ACLU Official Policies. Policy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion pictures: "Industry sponsored ratings systems create the potential for constraining the creative process and thus contracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of providing guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of expression." In regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its Policy 84: "The insertion of the words `under God' into the Pledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional principle of separation of Church and State." Policy 120 states that, "Military conscription under any circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and constitutional guarantees." The ACLU objects to the draft even during wartime because of the "anti-democratic power it gives government to wage war without support of the people." Policy 125 states, "The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes against humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the actions of the United States military and other combatants against the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam." Policy 133 states, "The ACLU recognizes that US government reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign and domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy, is in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount threat to our civil liberties." Policy 217 objects to roadblocks "where drivers are stopped for sobriety tests" because they "violate Fourth Amendment principles." Policy 242 states the following on criminal sentencing: "The most appropriate correctional approach is reintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the offender within the community than by incarceration. Probation should be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions to the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made, should be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder or treason." Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)

First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, I think. In any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual as an "immoral lifestyle choice" This is another misconception. You are not being told the whole story. My former minister is a lesbian, and I know personally and professionally several openly gay and lesbian ministers. I am a Unitarian-Universalist and like most others in my denomination, am pro-choice. You needn't go looking to the Unitarian Universalists (which is a liberal religion) for acceptance of your sexual identification and pro-choice views, however; there are many of us who believe in spirituality AND freedom of conscience. Good Luck on your journey!

This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say for sure that no Beduins were "moved" or harmed in any way. On the contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population. All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's poster, I have to say.

THere is a defect in the 13" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and they will replace the flyback for free, I think. I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing them for free.

Go back to nursery school jerk.

Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. | | They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. | | They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't | | remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had | | the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my | | clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The | | atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among | | themselves who would go first. | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF KARINE (KARINA) GRIGOREVNA M. [1] Born 1964 Secretary-Typist Azsantekmontazh Trust Sumgait Construction and Installation Administration Secretary of the SMU Komsomol Organization Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] On the 27th my sister Marina and I went to the movies the seven o'clock show, at the theater that is across from the City Party Committee, about 50 yards away. The SK theater. They were showing an Argentinian film, "The Abyss." Before the film we noticed about 60 to 70 people standing near the podium at the City Party Committee, but they were silent, there's no conversation whatsoever, and we couldn't figure out what was going on. That is, we knew it was about Karabagh, but what it was exactly, what they were talking about, if someone gave a speech or not, we didn't know. We bought our tickets. There were 30 or 40 people in the theater. This was a very small number for that large movie theater. The film started. About 30 minutes later they stopped the film. A crowd burst in. About 60 people. They came up onto the stage. Well mostly they were young people, from 16 to 23 years old. They demanded that an Armenian woman come up onto the stage. They used foul language and said that they were going to show what Azerbaijanis were capable of, what they could do to Armenian girls. I thought that's what they meant because they had demanded a girl specifically. Marina and I were sitting together. I told her to move over, there were some Russian girls sitting nearby. So that if someone recognized me or if something happened, they would take me, and not Marina. It got quiet, 2 or 3 girls jumped up to run out, but the door was closed--it's only opened at the end of the show--and they returned to their seats. Everyone in the theater was looking at one another, Russians, Azerbaijanis, people of various nationalities. But no one reacted at all, no one in the auditorium made a sound. They were silent, looking at one another, and gradually started to leave. Some guy, a really fat one, says, "OK, we've scared them enough, let's leave." They leave slowly, pompously. It seemed to me that those people were not themselves. Either they had smoked a bunch of "anasha", or had taken something else, because they all looked beastly, like they were ready to tear anyone apart. Then it was all over, as though nothing had happened at all. The film started up again, it was one of those cheerful films which should have only brought pleasure, made you happy to be alive. We could barely sit to the end. So it had started at seven it was over by nine, and it was dark . . . Marina and I were walking home, Lenin Street, that's the center of town. Lenin Street was packed, just packed with young people. They were shouting, something about Karabagh and something about Armenians. We weren't especially listening, because the way we were feeling we didn't know if we were going to make it home or not, and just what had happened anyway? Public transportation wasn't running. Incidentally, when we came out of the theater we saw police, policemen standing there. The director of the movie theater was looking at the doors, because when they were leaving they had broken the glass, the doors there are basically all glass. Everything was broken. He stood there grief- stricken, but looking as though nothing really big had happened, like some naughty boys had just broken them quite by accident, with a slingshot. Well, since he looked more or less calm I decided that, nothing all that super serious had happened. We went out very slowly; we wanted to catch a bus, we live literally one stop away. We didn't want to go on foot, not because it was dark, but because something might happen. We flagged down a cab, but the driver didn't want to take us. We told him we live near the bus station, and he said he'd take us to the bus station and not a yard farther. I said, well, OK . . . So we got into the cab and managed to get there. Something incredible was happening at the bus station. There was a traffic jam. Public transportation was at a standstill and everyone was shouting "Ka-ra-bagh," they're not going to give up Karabagh. I go home and tell my family what's going on, and there's immediate panic in the house. Mamma says, what should we do? Like the end had come, they were going to come, kill us, that's it . . . Somehow we managed to cheer ourselves up: Nothing that bad could happen. Where are we living anyway, just what kind of social order do we have? Somehow we manage to calm Mamma down. And we went to bed. But no one could sleep. Everyone made as though nothing had happened. That was on Saturday. In short, the day went by. We didn't go anywhere and didn't call our relatives. No one did anything. Because . . . life goes on. That day I realized something was approaching, but what exactly, I couldn't guess. On the 28th everything was like it was supposed to be, we lived like we always had. There were five of us at home: Mamma, Papa and us, three sisters: Lyuda, Marina, and I. My sister Lyuda was in Yerevan at the time. We sat at home and no one went out. Later we learned that a demonstration had started that morning. It all started . . . They were smashing up stores. We were sitting at home and didn't know anything about it. Then a girlfriend of mine, Lyuda Zimogliad, came by at around three o'clock I think. We worked together, we did our apprenticeships together, she's a Russian girl. She said that something awful was happening in town. I asked, "Don't they want Armenians? Well what are they after, if they're already in that state?" She says, no, nothing like that, it's just a demonstration, but it's awful to watch it. Somehow, it feels like a war has broken out. Public transportation has been stopped . . . The cabs, the buses, well it's just a nightmare. Then Papa decides to go to the drugstore, my mother was having allergy problems at the time . . . He left the house and our neighbor, Aunt Vera, asked him, "Where are you going? Stop! There are such terrible things going on in the courtyard; aren't you afraid to go out?" Papa didn't know what she was talking about. She simply pushed him back into the entryway. He came home and told Mamma. Mamma said, "Well, if Aunt Vera was talking like that it means that something is really going on." But we didn't go see her, she's a Russian, she lives across from us. I had to see my friend out. Around five o'clock I tell Lyuda, "Ok, look, it's time for you to go, it's late already, I'll see you out." Mamma says, "You don't need to go, it's too late already, you can see what the situation in town is." So we decided to stay home. Dinner was ready. Mamma says, "Let her eat with us, then she can go." We sat down at the table. But no one was hungry, no one was in the mood, we just put everything out on the table to calm ourselves down, and make it appear that we're eating. We turned on the television, and the show "In Fairy-Tale Land" was coming on. We cleared the table. We hear some noise out in the courtyard. I go out on the balcony, but I can't see what's going on, because the noise is coming from the direction of the bus station, and there is a 9-story building in the way. There is mob of people . . . I can't figure out what's happening. They're shouting something, looking somewhere, I can't make out what is going on. I go down to a neighbor, she's an Azerbaijani; we've been friends of her family for about 25 years. I go down to look from their place. I see people shouting, looking at the 5-and 9-story buildings near the bus station. Just then soldiers set upon them, about 20 people, with clubs. The mob runs off in different directions. I even see several people from our building. They are looking and laughing . . . I decide that means it's not all that bad if they are laughing: it means they're not killing anyone. But now the crowd suddenly dashes toward the soldiers. One of the soldiers cannot manage to get away, they start stomping on him with their feet, everyone's kicking him . . . I become ill and go home, and explain in general terms that horrible things are going on out there . . . can't speak . . . Well, they've probably killed that soldier, the way that crowd is . . . If each of them kicked him just once . . . They took his club away from him and started to beat him with it. But it was far away and I couldn't see if he got up and left or not. I become terrified and go home and say, "Lyuda, don't go anywhere, stay at our place, because if you go out they could kill you or . . . " Then the crowd runs over closer toward our building and stands at the 12-story building and starts shouting something. We go out onto the balcony. All of our neighbors are also out on theirs, too. Everyone is standing, staring. The mob is shouting and about 5 minutes later comes running toward our building. As it turns out, at the 12-story building the Azerbaijani neighbors went down and kept them from coming in. There's only one entryway there, they could stop them. They all run up to our building. Mamma immediately starts closing the windows, afraid that they might throw stones. They have stones and they break the windows, all of them. There are very many people. We have a large courtyard, and it's packed with people. They spill up to the first floor so they don't crush each other. They crawl up on trees, posts, and garages. It's just a huge cloud of people. They break and burn the motorcycle of the Armenian Sergey Sargisian, from our building. We close the windows and immediately hear tramping in our entryway. They come up to our fifth floor with a tremendous din and roar. It's incomprehensible. Mamma told me later that they were shouting Father's name, "Grisha, open the door, we've come to kill you!," or something like that. I don't remember that, I was spaced out, kind of. Mamma says, "Into the bedroom, quickly!" In the bedroom we have two tall beds, part of our dowry; Mamma says, "Hide there, they probably won't come in there, they'll ask something, say something, and leave." She says, "We'll tell them that we live alone here." I can't imagine that my parents will stand out in the hall alone talking with some sort of beasts . . . I go to them and say that I'll stand together with them, I'll talk with them if they come, maybe I can find a common language with them, all the more so if they know me: I speak Azerbaijani more or less, and I can find out what they want. I told Marina and Lyuda to hide under the bed, and my sister Lyuda, I can't remember if I told her anything or not. Then . . . they open the door: it's like they blew on it and it broke and fell right into the hall. The crows bursts in and starts to shout: Get out of here, leave, vacate the apartment and go back to your Armenia; things like that. I tell them, "What has happened, speak calmly. One of you, tell me, calmly, what has happened." In Azerbaijani, they say, "Get out of the apartment, leave." I say, "OK. Go downstairs. We'll gather everything we need and leave the apartment." I realize that it is senseless to discuss any sort of rights with them, these are animals. They must be stopped. The ones standing in the doorway, the young guys, say, "There are old people and one girl with them. Too bad!" They take two or three steps back. It seems as though I have pacified them with our exchange. Then someone in the courtyard shouts, commanding them: "Don't you understand what you are saying? Kill them?" And that was it! That was all it took. They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among themselves who would go first. Later, I remember, I came to. I don't know if I'm dead or alive. Someone comes in, someone tall, I think, clean-shaven, in an Eskimo dogskin coat, balding. He looks around at what's happening. At that instant everything stops. It seems to me that he is either their commander or . . . that somehow everything depends on him. He looks and says, "Well, we're done here." They are beating Mamma on the head. They break up the chairs and beat her with the chair legs . . . She loses consciousness, and they decide that she's dead. Papa . . . was out cold. They want to throw Lyuda off the balcony, but they can't get the window open. Apparently the window frames are stuck after the rain and the windows can't be opened. They leave her next to the window. She was thinking about being thrown out the window and passed out. She's not a real strong person anyway . . . He looks at me and sees that I'm saying something, that I'm still twitching. Well, I start saying the opposite of what I should be, which is humbling myself and pleading. I start shouting, cursing . . . they don't get any entreaty out of me. I already know that I'm dead, why would I humble myself before anyone? And he says that if that's what I think, since my tongue is so long . . . maybe he thinks that I still look quite appealing . . . In short, he commands that I be taken outside. I no longer saw or remembered what was happening to Marina and Lyuda, I don't know if they are alive or not. They take me outside. They are dragging me by my arms, by my legs. They are hitting me against the wall, the railings, something metal . . . While they are carrying me someone is biting me, someone else is pinching me . . .I don't even know. I think, my God, when will death come? If only it were sooner . . . Then . . . they carry me out, throw me near the entryway . . . and start kicking me. I lose consciousness . . . What happened after that, how many people there were, I don't remember. I come to after a while, I don't remember how long. A neighbor is bringing me clothing. I'm entirely covered with blood, she puts a dress on me. I remember that I said the same words over and over again: "Mamma, what happened, Mamma, what have they done to us, where are we, whose house are we at?" I can't make sense out of anything. There is a guy standing over me, I sort of know him, he served in Afghanistan, his name is Igor, he brought me indoors. When they all went to the third entryway and killed a person there, Igor gathered his courage, took me into his arms, and brought me to the neighbors', even though he's small-minded, he put himself at risk. Igor Agayev is Azerbaijani; he served in Afghanistan. There are three brothers. The older brother also served there, I think; now he's stationed here, on the border, in Armenia. Igor brought me to the neighbors', and then helped me come to my senses, saying, "Karina, I know you, calm down, I'm not one of them." How do I know who's who and what's what? I come to, and they clean me up. I was covered in blood. Then Papa . . . I saw Papa, I saw Mamma. And Marina, too . . . Igor was there when they dragged Marina and Lyuda out from under the bed . . . Marina . . . Lyuda said that she was Russian, they said, we'll let you go, we aren't touching the Russians, go. And while they are dragging Marina out she decides she's going to tell them she's Azerbaijani. Igor immediately grabs Marina's and Lyuda's hands, because he knows Marina, and knows that she is Armenian and is our sister, and takes her to the second floor to a neighbor's and starts pounding on the door so she will open up. She opens the door and Igor pushes them in there. So they survived. My sister Lyuda lost consciousness after the bandits started stealing things. While they were going downstairs, taking things downstairs, then coming back up again, Lyuda seized the opportunity and crawled under the bed and stayed there. Then, when she was herself again, she found a torn night shirt and put it on, and some sort of robe and went to a neighbor's on the fourth floor, the one whose apartment I had watched the crowd from, the friend of ours, and knocked on the door. The neighbor opened and said, "I'm not going to let you in the apartment because I'm afraid of them. But I'll give you some stockings and we'll leave the building." Lyuda says, "I'll stay at your place because of what's going on, they keep going up and down the stairs." It was just for a moment, just a moment in life, but the neighbor wouldn't consent. Lyuda came back to our place and lay under the bed . . . I came to. Mother was there. I can't remember my supervisor's telephone number, but something had to be done. Somehow I remembered and called, and he came to get us. He didn't have any idea what was going on. He thought we were simply afraid, he didn't know that they were killing us and that we had passed between life and death. He came and got us and took us to the police precinct. There they looked us over. I was having trouble walking, my lungs hurt badly, it was hard to breathe . . . My supervisor's name is Urshan Feyruzovich Mamedov. He's the head of our administration. They took us there. When we were leaving, I saw a great number of buses full of soldiers at the entrance to town. The buses were ordinary passenger buses. There were very many soldiers. We left around eleven, right after eleven. If these people could stop what was happening they could save a great many lives . . . Because the crowd was moving on, toward the school, and what was going on there . . . I think everyone know not only in Sumgait, not only in Yerevan. Because there they murdered them all one after the next, without stopping. After us. I think 14 people died in Microdistrict No. 3, and 10 to 12 of them were from Buildings 4, 5, and 6. In our building one person died, and one old woman died from Building 16, that's the building in front of ours. There young Azerbaijani men stopped the mob and wouldn't let it into their building. Incidentally, when we were at the neighbors', Marina called our relatives to warn them, so they would all know what was happening. I called a aunt in Microdistrict No. 5. They have three neighbors who are Armenians. I said, "Run quickly, I can't explain what's going on; hide, do what you can, just stay alive. Hide at Azerbaijanis', ones who won't give you away." At that moment three people came in, policemen. I think they were Azerbaijanis. I was in such awful condition, my face was completely distorted my lips were puffed up, there was blood, my eye was swollen, no one thought I would ever see anything out of that eye again . . . my forehead was badly cut, and one-half of my face was pushed out forward. No one would have thought that I would survive, get my normal appearance back, and be able to grasp anything at all. I started to scream at those people, why did you come, who sent you here, no one wants you here, haven't you killed people people yet, what are you doing here? One of the soldiers said, "Don't scream at us. We're Muslims, but we're not from the Sumgait police. They called in from Daghestan." So at that point the Daghestan police were there. When we got to the police precinct there were an awful lot of police there, there were soldiers, police with dogs, ambulances, firemen . . . I don't know, maybe they were waiting for people to bring them the goners and the seriously injured to treat them there in the police precinct. I don't know what they were there for. There were also doctors from Baku there. They examined Lyuda and me and said, "These women need to go to the Maternity Home, but we don't know what to do with the rest." So they took us, and I lost contact with my parents, my boss, everyone. My boss said, "Don't worry, I'll find you, no matter where you are, no matter what happens." We went to the hospital. There we were examined by a department head from the Sumgait Maternity Home, Pashayeva, I think her name was. She examined us. The ambulance was from Baku; I figured out that the Sumgait ambulances hadn't done anything, they didn't respond to any calls. People called and neither the police nor the ambulances showed any sign of life. That doctor looked me over and I could tell from her behavior that something very good had happened, for she became quite glad. I even thought to myself, "God, can it be that nothing all that bad is wrong?" She looks me over and says, "Now why are you suffering so? You don't know what your people have been doing, your people did even worse things." And I think, great, I have to deal with her . . . And I felt so bad, I thought, why don't I just die so as not to have to hear more stuff like this from people like her? Here I am in this condition and being told about something that our people did. I just didn't have the energy to say, "How could our people possibly be smart enough to think of something that yours haven't already done?" I stayed there. Then they brought in another woman, Ira B., she was married, and she was raped in her own apartment, too. There were three of us, Ira, Lyuda, and 1. The next morning they took Lyuda and Ira away. They didn't do anything to help us. This was in the old Maternity Home, in the combined block. They didn't do anything more than examine me, that was it. I didn't want any shots or tranquilizer, nothing. What shots could have calmed me down? I didn't even want to look at them. I lay in the ward. Either it just worked out that way or they did it on pur- pose, but I was alone. I was alone even though the wards were packed. That same evening a woman came by and asked me what was wrong with me, that my face was disfigured. She asked what had happened to me, and I said, "Better to ask your brother what happened, there's no point in asking me, your brother can better explain what happened." She fell into a faint. All the doctors threw themselves at her, and the doctor categorically forbade anyone to come into my ward. Then people from work came to see me, my boss, his daughter; they brought me clothing, because I was literally naked. The only thing I had on was a dress, but the woman who gave it to me was very short, and the dress was way up above my knees, and the woman orderly said, "I can't believe you put on such a short dress, who are you showing off your legs to here?" I went back to my ward thinking, just one more thing from something. People from work came and brought me something in a sack, apples, I think, three or four pounds, but I couldn't take them. I had become so weak that it was just embarrassing. I said that I couldn't take the apples, and really didn't have any appetite. No one had to bring me anything. Some woman took the sack . . . And, oh yes! . . . Then I heard that the head doctor tell a nurse that my medical history should be hidden or torn up completely so that no one would know that I was an Armenian, maybe they wouldn't figure it out from looking at me. So they must have been thinking that there would be some kind of attack, that something else would happen. That it would be worse. Or, perhaps, someone was outside on the street, I don't know. In any case, I didn't sleep a wink that night. The next morning they picked me up, a whole police detail, put me in a bus, and off we went. I didn't even know where they were taking me. They took me to the club where the troops were, the very one I was in that ill-fated evening. I got off the bus. Near the City Party Committee there were a great many troops, tanks, armored personnel carriers; the whole scene was terrible. I saw a few people I knew there, and that calmed me a little. I had already thought that I was the only one left. So there were five or six of us left in Sumgait after that night. I still didn't know what happened to my parents, they didn't come to see me in the hospital, and my boss told me that everything was fine. I didn't know whether to believe him or not. Maybe he was just trying to calm me down, maybe something happened on the way. Then I went to the club and saw a lot of people I knew. They all knew one another, they were all kissing each other and asking, "What happened, what went on?" Two days later they came to see me from work. They were there all the time. Each day they came, showed interest, and were constantly bringing me money. They did everything they could. Of course I'm most thankful to my boss, the only one of my colleagues who didn't lose his presence of mind and who didn't change his opinions, neither before, nor after, nor in the heat of the moment, no matter what happened. He constantly took an interest. A sincere interest, from the heart . . . Then, about two days later, the secretary of the Party Committee came, not from our Party organization, but from the First Trust, which ours is part of, Comrade Kerimov, a very important figure in our town. He made arrangements with the emergency medical personnel to take me away, because if I sat down by myself I couldn't get up or lie down again. There was something wrong with my lungs, it was hard to breathe. They examined me there several times, there I lay were several doctors, they all thought that . . . that it must just be from all the blows, I don't know. They didn't diagnose anything in particular. When I was in the Maternity Home I even asked . . . I made it a point of insisting that they take me to the trauma section because I felt so awful. There was no way something inside wasn't broken, my ribs . . . Well they took me there and took x-rays and said that everything was fine. There were emergency medical workers on duty in the club. The mother of one of Marina's friends was there. She was the head doctor at the Sumgait Children's Clinic. They had every kind of antifever agent in the world, which was exactly what I needed at that moment, I thought. I said that I was having great difficulty breathing, I couldn't seem to get enough air, something was wrong with me. They put tight bandages around my chest and waist. Later I overheard some people saying that I had been cut all over. I think they just saw me being all bandaged up and decided that my breasts and face had been cut . . . But I wasn't cut. They took us to the Khimik boarding house. We lived there a long time. Soon appeared representatives . . . They were agitating. At first people would not talk to them, and drove them off. One of the Armenian women shouted, "We demand that Seidov come!" The response was, "It's Seidov who sent us." Seidov is the Chairman of the Azerbaijani Council of Ministers. The woman said, "We'll only see Seidov's daughter, have her come here, we'll do the same things to her that they did to our daughters, and then we'll deal with you agitators." And so on. More of them said, "Have Seidov himself come." This went on day in, day out. The agitators kept coming and coming, this drove us out of our wits. Then people gradually started departing for Yerevan because they realized it was senseless to stay. Everything got on our nerves: The smell, the small children. There were children at the SK club, children who had literally just come out of the Maternity Home. What were they doing in a club that didn't even have running water all the time? At first we had to pay to eat there. They even overcharged us, as it turned out. On the second day someone told us that they would bring us food for free. The children were ill. Everything stank there. Well imagine about 3,000 people in a small movie theater with seating for no more than 500. You couldn't sit or lie down, it was impossible to even move. The stench was awful. Even the smallest infants took ill overnight there. I heard that they were arriving seriously ill in Yerevan, the infants. They have to be washed, they have to be bathed, not to mention that we, the adults, were ill and needed care. People were fainting right and left. I just don't know, everyone was crying, everyone . . . Only the young people, the men, somehow managed to keep it together. But the women were in a constant state of panic. It seemed to everyone that they would come any minute and kill and stab. It seemed clear that we had been gathered together purposely, like during the war, so that they could burn the movie theater and there wouldn't be a single Armenian left. Then people went up to the attic. I didn't see them, I only heard them, because I was lying down and couldn't get up. I lay right on the stage, we had some room there. Apparently they caught two people with either oil or gas. I think they wanted to burn the theater. Maybe someone saw them, I didn't. I was in no condition to open my eyes. Everyone was suspicious of everyone else. They would ask, "Aren't you an Azerbaijani? I think I saw you somewhere, I think you're an Azerbaijani." They led out all the men and started letting them back in by checking their passports, relatives might be covering for each other. Half of the people did not have any documents. There were people who had run out of their homes in nothing but a pair of pants and slippers, or wearing just a shirt, not like they should have, with their IDs. So on the 28th, on Sunday, I think, the police did nothing to help us. On Monday everything resumed where it had left off on Block 41A. They didn't spare a soul there: not children, not pregnant women, nobody. They killed, they burned, they hacked with axes, just everything possible. They murdered the Melkumian family whom I knew, my mother worked with them. Their daughter- in-law went to school with my older sister. They were brutally murdered. Only the two daughters-in-law survived. By a miracle one was able to save herself, she ran away, the neighbors wouldn't take her in, so she ran about the building until she found refuge. She was pregnant and had two small children. This all continued on Monday in Block 41A, on the 29th, when the troops were already in the city. They murdered people, they overturned automobiles, and they burned entire families. They say they didn't even know for sure if the people were Armenians or not. I heard that the Lezgins suffered, too. I'm not sure myself, I didn't see any Lezgins who had been injured. They burned cars so it's very difficult now to say exactly who died and who didn't. It was very difficult to identify the corpses, or rather, what remained of the corpses after they were doused in gasoline and burned . . . it's all very hard to imagine, of course I heard that many people disappeared without a trace, from the BTZ plant two people, including a woman who worked the night shift, Aunt Razmella, who also lived in Microdistrict 3. They were stopping buses between Baku and Sumgait. In the evening people who had been visiting Baku were returning to Sumgait, and people from Baku were going home from Sumgait, and there were students, too. They were simply savagely murdered. They were stopping the buses, the drivers immediately did what they were told because there was just no other way to deal with that hoard of brutally minded people. They stopped the buses, dragged the Armenians out and killed them on the spot. I didn't see it myself, but I heard that they put them all in a pile so as to burn them. Later it was hard to discern from the corpses, well you can't call them corpses, you had to figure out from the ashes who it was. l heard that two fellows saved two women, one a student, Ira G., if I'm not mistaken. She was in the hospital a long time after that, and she still can't figure out who saved her. She was also brutally raped and beaten and thrown onto a pile of corpses. The fellow pulled her out of that whole pile of corpses, put his coat on her, took her into his arms, and carried her to the city. I still can't imagine how he managed to do that. I heard that from Engels Grigorian. He knows her, apparently. Well a lot of people went to that hospital anyway. She was in the hospital and singing a song in Armenian, and they wrote the words down, and, I think he still has that piece of paper, because he says that a lot of people now have that song, the one she sang in the hospital where she lay in such bad shape. They couldn't find the guy who saved her. He left her in someone's apartment and called the ambulance, she was in such awful shape that, probably, like me, she couldn't remember anyone's face. I think that I knew one of the people who broke into our house, maybe I had talked with him once. But I received so many blows everything was just knocked out of my head. I can't remember to this day who he was. Then, it seems, I saw the Secretary of the Directorate's Party organization, where Marina works. She goes to school and works, she goes to night school at AZI, and works by day at the Khimzashchita Construction and Installation Administration. I'm the Secretary of the Komsomol organization at our administration and often met with the secretaries of Party and Komsomol organizations. We had joint meetings. I know them all, I've even talked with them, and he, I know, is from Armenia. An Azerbaijani, but from Armenia. It became obvious that many of those people were Azerbaijanis born in Armenia. They took me to various police stations, to the police precinct, and to the Procuracy, because the USSR Procuracy got involved in the case, and I iden- tified the photographs of people who I could more or less recognize. They showed me the people who were in our apartment, they're working on our case, but I can't even recognize them, although it was proved that they were the ones, they're processing it somehow. They tell me that they know that someone held me by the arm and someone else held me by the leg when they were dragging me. There was someone else in our apartment who did not even touch me, he just stole a blanket and an earring or something like that. All these people, all of them, as much as I've heard about them and seen them, they were all from Kafan. The Secretary of the Party organization is named Najaf, Najaf Rzayev. He was there when everything started. It must have been him because I didn't recognize anyone else in the crowd whom I knew besides him. All the more since I told him, "Listen, you do something, because you know me." He turned away and went toward the bedroom, where Marina was. Well you couldn't see Marina anyway. There was such a noisy confusion of people that you couldn't make out anyone. All of it flew right out of my head, and then gradually I became myself again, at the City Party Committee . . . There were military people there. I told them what went on, and they wrote it all down. I told them his name. On March 8 the Secretary of our First Trust Party organization, the one we're part of, came to see us, his name is Najaf Rzayev. I tell Mamma, "If he's here despite the fact that I gave his name, it means that either his alibi has been confirmed or, probably, that they think I'm crazy, not responsible for my words." He said, "What did they do to you, how awful, myself, I hid an Armenian family." Then after some time goes by he comes back again and says something entirely different: "I wasn't at home, my family and I went to Baku." I said, "Marina, what is he saying? He said something totally different before." After that I didn't go to see our Procurator, our case is being handled by a procurator from Voronezh, Fedorov by name. Fedorov told me that Rzayev's case had just gotten to him, and there were so names involved. What are they doing with Rzayev? Did he prove his alibi or not? They just think that since I was hit in the head I can't say anything for sure, whether it was him or not. It will be an insult if he was in our apartment and doesn't have to pay for it, but at the same time I'm afraid to say I'm a hundred percent sure that it was he. Because no mat- ter who I name, they tell me, no, you're wrong, he didn't do that, that one wasn't there. All the faces have gotten mixed up in my mind. Who did what exactly I can't say. When they took me outside there was a whole crowd there, but I didn't see it, because I had my eyes closed all the time. It seemed to me that I always got it because of my eyes, people were always hassling me, for some reason it always seemed to me that my eyes are responsible. When they were beating my face I thought they were trying to put my eyes out. So I had my eyes closed, they took me outside and started to beat me. A young guy, 22, held my arms, he works at the BTZ plant. And right nearby, across the road from us, Block 41, is where all this was going on. Right across the road from us. The BTZ dormitory is over there, that's where he lives. Now he's in custody, they even have proved, as far as I know, that it was he who killed Shurik Gambarian, the clarinet player from the third entryway of our building. One person in our building was killed, it was that man. A guy comes by who shared a room with the guy who was holding me. He saw that he was holding me by the arms and that he was beating me, but he didn't come over, he just looked and then went into the dormitory. A while after it was all over, people started making announcements in town saying that investigators had been summoned. That guy went and told them everything. Now they've caught him, everything's been proved. Now, evidently, they've been beating him, I don't know what they're doing with them over there, but he himself said that he was working the night shift at the plant. Some young guy came to the plant and said, "Everyone who wants to kill Armenians come to the bus station on Saturday at ten." That was it. He said, the ones who wanted to, went. This was at the BTZ plant, during the night shift, probably, late Friday night. It was at night, they were at the sauna together. And he said, what do you mean, do you understand what you are saying? The others were silent, probably, in their hearts they were thinking, I'm going to go. But they didn't say anything to one another. He said that he thought it important to to go, because he had heard a lot about what had happened in Kafan, that they had killed their Azerbaijani sisters, their mothers, burned villages, and all of that. That guy was also born in Kafan. That is certain. And Marina says that the Secretary of the Party organization is from Armenia, too. from I've participated in the investigation a couple of times. I'm satisfied with them thus far. They summoned us and asked about what happened, and every word I said was recorded. I met some guy there . . . By the way, he was an Armenian. I said that he was in our apartment, but what he did, I don't know. His last name was Grigorian, Eduard Grigorian. He s from Sumgait, from Microdistrict 1. He was sentenced I think, to five years, not his first time. His mother is Russian. I met with him at the KGB in Baku, at the Azerbaijani KGB. They took us there and showed me photographs. There were so many photographs, I think they even photographed those people who were caught at curfew, and I've got them all confused. I say, the face was about like this, the guy in the white coat with the red clasps. But he could take that coat off and burn it somewhere, and it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Well. This guy, Grigorian, I said, he was in our apartment, but he is so light-complected that he looks like a Lezgin. I don't know what he did, I can't remember. Maybe he beat me or raped me. But he was in our apartment. At the KGB he started asking me, pleading with me, there's no need for this, all this stuff, look me in the eyes, you're like a sister to me. I took a look at him and thought, "My God, Heaven forbid that I should have a brother like you." But they were satisfied with my responses, because I said everything without great certainty. I was there with Mamma. Then Lyuda came in, but when she came in she got sick immediately. She wanted to kill him, she crawled over the table at him. She recognized him. When she came to, Lyuda was lying on the balcony, the mob threw her there and all of them ran into the bedroom. We had all kinds of boxes with dishes in them, the dowries for all three sisters. They stole everything in the apartment, leaving only small things. At that moment Lyuda came to and started remembering everything. Well, seeing the faces, hearing the voices . . . Two people were saying they could burn the apartment. Another says, why burn the apartment when I've got three kids and no place to live. So this guy was in temporary housing, he didn't have anywhere to live, he was from Sumgait. They were sure that they would get the apartment. Besides, the neighbors were Azerbaijani. Why should they burn the apartment, they might burn Azerbaijanis. That's what they said. How did they know there were Azerbaijanis there, if they just picked a place, thinking that Armenians lived there? We have a list of the residents for our part of the building, our name is in there, but how could they know that Azerbaijanis lived on the other side of the wall from us? So they didn't set fire to our apartment. I don't know, I was in such bad shape that if all of it had come to a halt when I was outside, if someone had asked me what was happening, I would have said that a civil war was going on. Well, maybe not civil . . . but probably civil, because when they were beating me I opened my eyes and saw that all the neighbors were standing on their balconies and watching, like at a free horror film. So a civil war was going on, and only the Armenians were being fought. If it were a world war or something like that, they would have been fighting everyone. But they only fought us. Then I met some women from our building, some Azerbaijanis. They are crying, they tell me, "Karina, we saw all of it, how could it happen?" They're asking me! Well I just don't know what to call it if a normal girl can stand there and watch what happened to me. I think that if it were the other way around either I wouldn't have been able to take it, or I would have tried to avert it, like that one Azerbaijani woman did in front of our building. A woman lives there, an awful, dissipated woman, if you can call her a woman, the dissipated life she leads. Two Armenian families live there, in her part of the building. She came out on the balcony and saw what was happening to me and started to scream and curse. She came down to the entryway and said, "You'll come in this entryway over my dead body." So not one of them took it in his head to go in that entryway. Some folks were saying that those people were so out of control that they didn't even know what they were doing. I don't think that's true. They knew very well what they were doing if they didn't even lift a hand against that woman. They couldn't have cared less about her, but the fact that she was an Azerbaijani stopped them. They were just beasts, they had smoked so much. When they came to our place they were all chewing something. I noticed: Everyone who came into the apartment was chewing something. I think, my God, maybe I just think that? Maybe I'm losing my mind? But no, they're all chewing something. Maybe it is some kind of drug, it must be, because . . . At first glance they all seemed to be such normal people, young, clean-shaven, looking exactly as if they had come to some sort of celebration. But they were shouting something. They didn't talk, they shouted, as though there were deaf people there. They screamed and screamed: "Yeah, killing, killing, we're killing the Armenians!" Only they didn't shout "kill," they shouted "gurun ermianlary." Gurun literally means "kill," or "destroy." That's how it was! I'll continue. We hid in a captain's apartment, he's an Azerbaijani, his wife is a Tatar. We were sitting in their apartment, their kids were out in the yard. Their kids knew a whole lot. This was in our part of the building, on the third floor. When Mamma came to and couldn't find Lyuda she took Papa's hand, this was while the looters were stealing things, but they didn't pay attention because they were stealing things. Apparently they had already ceased killing and switched to stealing. Mamma found the courage to . . . A boy said to my mother "Where's the gold?" Mamma said he must have been 12 to 14 years old. He even looked Russian, he was so fair-skinned. But the Azerbaijanis from Armenia are fair-skinned. I noticed they were all on the fair side. He shouted, they were all smashing things, and he asks Mamma where the gold is. We kept our gold in the wardrobe with our important papers. In a little black bag, we kept everything in there. Mamma doesn't really like to wear gold. She probably never even wore those things from the time they were bought for her. They took everything that was lying on the cheval glass. Mamma thinks that the gold saved us. Because they threw themselves at the gold, and Mamma grabbed Papa, who was trying to breathe. They had closed his mouth, bound his hands, and put a pillow and a chair on his face . . . They had shoved something into his mouth so he would suffocate. Mamma grabbed him and tore all that stuff off . . . He had something in his mouth, he was having trouble breathing, his nose was filled with blood. Mamma grabbed him and started running from the fifth down to the first floor because no one wanted to open their doors to them. Mamma said that by accident, completely by accident that person opened his door, he was sleeping, and said, half-awake, "What's happened?" He sees that they are bloody. Mamma said, "At least go and find out what's happening to my daughters, even if they've burned them or murdered them, at least bring the corpses." He went looking for us. At that moment Lyuda was under the bed. She says that after they left it seemed that someone was calling her name. When he quietly called her she couldn't get out from under the bed. She wanted to get out and was calling softly. She thought she was shouting, but in fact she was either silent or was only talking to herself, it just seemed to her that she was shouting. When she got out from under the bed everyone was gone. And again . . . She thought that she had lost her mind. I'll never leave here, never! To hell with it! It just seems that way to me, I'll come to eventually. But then, when everything had settled down, stopped, that mall brought Lyuda down, and Igor carried me in from outside. Or first I was brought in, then Lyuda, I don't remember what order it happened in. And Mamma said, "Listen, they're all running around down there, shouting something or other, and running toward the other building." It had more or less calmed down where we were. Who's dead, who's alive, we don't know. I tried to call my girlfriend. I had basically come to. Mamma says, "Listen; let's go upstairs, at least get a mattress or something. We don't know how long we'll be here. Maybe they didn't burn everything." I don't get it, all women have that feeling, they want to get something from their homes, maybe not everything was taken? I tell Mamma, "Mamma, what do you need any of that for? To hell with it! We're alive, forget the rest of it, all of it!" She says, "No, let's go get at least something. Maybe we'll leave here, spend the night at someone else's." Mamma went upstairs, and their little boy, their son Alik, was standing on the lookout. lIe was standing there to see if they were coming. They only managed to run up there and grab something one time. He shouts, "Come back, they're coming!" They didn't have enough time to get a lot, mattresses from one apartment, a blanket from another . . . Mamma got my knitting . . . Someone managed to grab our old things, the ones we never wore, out of the hall . . . Someone took Father's old coveralls. The neighbor, his wife, Mamma and Papa . . . Marina went with them. I was in no condition to leave. Neither was Lyuda. We just sat. They ran out and we closed the door and just then we hear that the mob is on its way toward our place upstairs, they're dragging something again. They were going toward the other building, maybe over by the school, or . . . There was an unfinished building over there, people said they were going toward the basement or the unfinished building, they could gradually carry everything over there. Then things more or less calmed down. I tried to call my boss. Later there was more noise. We were on the third floor, in a one-bedroom apartment, and a woman lives in the one-bedroom place on the second floor, Asya Dallakian. She's an old woman, retired. She wasn't at home, at that time she was usually in the country, she has a married daughter there, and her grandson is in the army. She is only very rarely in town; she gets her retirement money and the apartment is essentially vacant. They started pounding on her door and broke it down. She had two or three beds in there, something like that, she's a 60-to 70-year-old woman who really does not even live there. Probably she had some pots, a couple of metal bed frames and mattresses, and a television. When her grandson came she bought a television. They started wrecking everything. I started getting sick again. I think, "My God, what is going on around here? When will this end?" We turned off the lights and sat. As it turns out the people who weren't afraid, the ones who knew what was going on, knew not to turn off the lights. We didn't know, but they didn't come to where we were all the same. They all knew very well that he was a captain. He went out and closed the door, and we sat in his apartment. His last name was Kasumov. He's an exserviceman, retired, works up at the fire station at some plant or other. He went out and stood at his door. They tell him, "Comrade Captain, don't worry, we won't harm you, you're one of us." He went upstairs, and they say, "Aren't you taking anything from this apartment?" He says, "I don't need anything." And the women who were standing in the yard . . . we have a basement, full of water . . . the women who were standing in the yard saw. Those guys, they left everything they stole on the first floor and ran upstairs again. The women threw everything they had time to into the basement, to save our property. Some things were left: dirty pillows, two or three other things and a rug. A guy came downstairs, really mad, and he says, "Where's the rug? I just put it right here!" They tell him, "Some guy came and took it and went off toward the school." He ran off in that direction. Oh! I forgot the most important point. When Igor picked me up in his arms, there were women standing there who saw everything that was going on. They just didn't tell me about it for a long time. The wife of that military man, she didn't want to kill my spirit, I was already dead enough. Later she told me, that after they murdered Uncle Shurik in the third entryway one of them, the ringleader, apparently a young man, said, "Where's the girl who was here?" And he became furious. The woman tells him, "She came to . . . " She didn't know what to say: Think something up? Someone carried her off? Then they would comb the whole house and find me and our whole family. So the woman says, "She came to and went to the basement." Now, our basement is full of water. So the whole mob dashes off to the basement to look for me or my corpse. They took flashlights; they were up to their waists in water, water which had been standing there for years, and soot, and fuel oil. They climbed down in there to get me. Then one of them said, "There's so much water down there, she probably walked and walked and then passed out and died. She met her death in the basement. That's it, we can leave, no problem!" I didn't know that, and when I was told, I felt worse. Two times worse. A lot worse! So they didn't just want to pound me flat, something more awful was awaiting me . . . After that we of course didn't want to live in Sumgait any longer. We really didn't want to go back to our apartment. When we moved, I went up there and started to quiver and shake all over, because I started remembering it all. Although the neighbors all sobbed, it was all . . . so cheap . . . The people who sat in their apartments and didn't help us at a time like that. I think that they could have helped! I don't think that they were obligated to, but they could have helped us! Because that one woman was able to stop that whole brutal crowd by herself. That means they could have, too. It would have been enough foe one man or women to say, What do you think you're doing?" That's all! That would have done it. There were 60 apartments in our building. Not one person said it! When I was lying on the ground and all those people were standing on their balconies I didn't hear anyone's voice, no one said what are you doing, leave her alone . . . Mamma even told one of the neighbor women that if it had been an Azerbaijani woman in my place they would have dropped a bomb if it would have killed even one Armenian. They would have stood up for one of their own. True, they say that our neighbor from the fourth entryway, an old/ sick woman tried to stop the pogrom. The Azerbaijanis have a custom: if a woman takes her scarf and throws it on the ground, the men are supposed to stop immediately. The old woman from the fourth entryway did that, but they stomped her scarf into the ground, pushed her off to the side, and said, "If you want to go on living, you'll disappear into your apartment." So she left. That trick didn't work on them. Even the neighbors who helped us move told me, OK, fine, calm down, forget that it happened. I said I'd only forget it if I told them right then that it had happened to their daughter--and if that didn't have any effect on them, then I would forget everything, too. Imagine that it happened to your sister. And no one did anything. Anything. April 25, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 93-109

Preliminary data regarding similar research into kangaroo overpopulation in Australia do not in any way support the cost-effectiveness of this approach. It _may_ be cost-effective for deer--if you quietly overlook the fact that the net cost to the state of deer hunting is _negative_ (i.e. a profit) because the (majority of) hunters pay for licences. The cost comparisons are probably being done assuming that people have to be employed to cull the animals, which is not in fact the case. You figure people are going to pay for licences to implant contraceptive pellets or spread baits? There has been a fair bit of discussion about this here recently, because the kangaroo population in the grounds of the Governor- General's residence has now reached plague proportions. Despite the whines of the rampant animal-libbers, the most effective method of controlling the population is still considered to be controlled shooting. Some people take satisfaction (IMHO, legitimate satisfaction) in eating food that they have harvested themselves. The pleasure derived from hunting is the same as that you get from eating fruit and vegetables grown in your own garden (and, in general, game meat is probably much freer of unpleasant chemicals than what you buy from the butcher or the supermarket). By "cannot now be justified" I guess you mean that you personally don't see any justification. Fine--but what makes your opinion so important? Certainly the last point is correct. If politicians don't see any votes for themselves in opposing stupid legislation or in developing and supporting measures which might be effective in reducing the incidence of violent crime they won't do these things.

Hi folks, ] Does anybody know for a good 32-bit C++/C compiler for OS/2 that supports OS/2 API and Microsoft windows (maybe Windows NT)? thanx

I HEARTILY agree. Now that the BATF warrant has been unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this? NO authority for a 'no-knock" raid NO authority to use helicopters. NO authority to search for a "drug lab" And, apparently, not even any authority to search for "automatic weapons".

I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function drawed a line as below fingure: width = 300 ================================ | | | | | p1 | | \ | | \ | height = 300 | \ | | \ | | \ | | \ | | \ | | \|p3 | | |===============================| \ \ p2 I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. x3 = 300; @ = art tan (( 800 - 100)/(500 - 270)) = 71.81 degrees; y3 = 100 + x3/tan(@) = 100 + 300/tan(71.81) = 198.58 ~= (integer) 199. How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not? Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't wan to. Thanks in advance!

Madmen are mad. Do we try to explain the output from a broken computer? I think not.

Confident, or merely crazed? That desert sun :-) Gee, I thought the X-15 was Cable controlled. Didn't one of them have a total electrical failure in flight? Was there machanical backup systems? What do you mean? Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh joints? You'll have to enlighten us in the hinterlands.

Does anyone know of an X server for character cell terminals? Doesn't have to be anything fancy, as long is it works.

Once again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted and for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power.

It depends on what kind of the polygons. Convex - simple, concave - trouble, concave with loop(s) inside - big trouble. Of cause, you can use the box test to avoid checking each edges. According to my experience, there is not a simple way to go. The headache stuff is to deal with the special cases, for example, the overlapped lines.

Nice to think, but naive. The fact is that millions of people today are sending highly confidential information over unencoded, easy to receive cellular phones. They figure the chances of being heard are small, so they risk it. And 99.9% of people don't understand crypto the way the least of the sci.crypt newbies does. If Clinton tells them it's good crypto, they'll believe him, and send important stuff over it, and be thankful that they're no longer using clear-voice FM cellular phones. Only a tiny fraction of people will want more crypto. Worse, in the eyes of the government, which swears up and down the algorithim is spook-level secure (and it may indeed be) the only reason you could possibly want this extra level is to avoid police. By using it, you'll attract attention as a likely lawbreaker. "Your honour, the suspect suddenly started using another level of cryptography and we can't tap his phone calls any more. He must have something to hide. Please sign the warrant to search his house..."

I have noticed in FrameMaker 3.1X on both the SGI and SUN platforms that certain dialogs, such as "Column Layout..." for example, respond to keyboard traversal even though the pointer is NOT in the dialog window and even though the window manager keyboard focus policy is POINTER. How is this done? I would like to emulate this behavior in my application. It seems a reasonable behavior since when a dialog is popped up from a keyboard action, the dialog is not guaranteed to be under the pointer and the user should not have to reach for the mouse just to move the focus. Alternatively, I'm open to any suggestions as to what is the "right" way to insure that popups get the focus when they appear, particularly when they are invoked from the keyboard and one's keyboard focus policy is pointer.

Has anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ? __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_

This past week I've been playing with some of the R-D (Reaction- Diffusion, not to be confused with RDS or R&D) techniques from SIGGRAPH '91. I was wondering what material is available to explain the control mechanism a little more. It seems to me very much like a matter of picking random magic numbers and sitting back and waiting. Although both of the papers (Turk and Witkin & Kass) were very well organized and extremely helpful, I guess what I need is a more basic description of the technique, especially wrt the control mechanisms. The tests that I did had a tendency to either turn into blurry mud or become unstable. Is there any info available online? Source code would be great but not necessary. Thanks! --

Ok, lets say youve got a grid of hexagons that go in a 10 9 10 9 etc.. for a total of 15 rows down that means there are 10 hexagons in the 1st line, 9 lined up underneath in the second line 10 lined up underneath in the third line 9 lined up under neath in the fourht... the problem is given the center of any arbritrary hexagon, and a line with and arbritrary slope, Which hexagons does that line cross through (The line doesn't necessarily have to cross through the center of other hexagon,it can even be a tangent and count). Any helpers, my friend was baffeled when trying to figure this. :w

Hello all. I am thinking about buying an external monitor for my SE/30 and was wondering if anyone out in netland has any advice for me. I am mostly thinking about a 14" color monitor and an 8 bit card that can switch between 640*480 and something higher (like 800*600). I read an old report on a card from Lapis that could do this, but could not use the external monitor as the main screen (with menubar) which to me is a major draw- back. Has this perhaps been fixed? Or can any other cards do this (like the Micron Xceed) ? Also which monitor should I buy? At the moment I am leaning towards the Sony 1304, 1304s or 1320 (what exactly is the difference between these?) but are there any other good cheap monitors I should know about? Doesn't the monitor have to be multisync to support cards that can switch resolutions? Please send me e-mail and I'll summarize. I would also greatly appreciate getting the e-mail addresses of any mail order companys that sell monitors or cards. Thanks in advance

Andrew, You can get the heat sinks at Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 part #HS157-ND $4.10 size 1.89"L x 1.89"W x .600"H comes with clips to install it. But if it was me I would get a $12.99 small fan from Radio Shack and install it where it could just blow at the cpu instead...Sam

Well, I'm a Wings fan and I think the FIRST thing that you should do is to get the opponent's line combinations correct before you try to match up anyone with them. There is no Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert line, except for maybe on a powerplay. These three players usually play on three different lines. Which would mean that Toronto's checking line would have to pull a triple shift. The Wings' lines usually look like this: Gallant-Yzerman-Ciccarelli Kozlov-Fedorov-Drake Kennedy-Burr-Probert Ysebaert-Primeau-Sheppard Oh by the way: Start praying! : )

Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? Ditto. HELSINKI WATCH: "PROBLEMS OF TURKS IN WESTERN THRACE CONTINUE" Ankara (A.A) In a 15-page report of the "Helsinki Watch" it is stated that the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is still faced with problems and stipulated that the discriminatory policy being implemented by the Greek Government be brought to an end. The report on Western Thrace emphasized that the Greek government should grant social and political rights to all the members of minorities that are equal to those enjoyed by Greek citizens and in addition they must recognize the existence of the "Turkish Minority" in Western Thrace and grant them the right to identify themselves as 'Turks'. NEWSPOT, May 1992 GREECE ISOLATES WEST THRACE TURKS The Xanthi independent MP Ahmet Faikoglu said that the Greek state is trying to cut all contacts and relations of the Turkish minority with Turkey. Pointing out that while the Greek minority living in Istanbul is called "Greek" by ethnic definition, only the religion of the minority in Western Thrace is considered. In an interview with Turkish origin. The individuals of the minority living in Western Trace are also Turkish." Emphasizing the education problem for the Turkish minority in Western Thrace Faikoglu said that according to an agreement signed in 1951 Greece must distribute textbooks printed in Turkey in Turkish minority schools in Western Thrace. Recalling his activities and those of Komotini independent MP Dr. SadIk Ahmet to defend the rights of the Turkish minority, Faikoglu said. "In fact we helped Greece. Because we prevented Greece, the cradle of democracy, from losing face before European countries by forcing the Greek government to recognize our legal rights." On Turco-Greek relations, he pointed out that both countries are predestined to live in peace for geographical and historical reasons and said that Turkey and Greece must resist the foreign powers who are trying to create a rift between them by cooperating, adding that in Turkey he observed that there was will to improve relations with Greece. NEWSPOT, January 1993 MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS TO FACE TRIAL IN GREECE. Two ethnic Macedonian human rights activists will face trial in Athens for alleged crimes against the Greek state, according to a Court Summons (No. 5445) obtained by MILS. Hristos Sideropoulos and Tashko Bulev (or Anastasios Bulis) have been charged under Greek criminal law for making comments in an Athenian magazine. Sideropoulos and Bulev gave an interview to the Greek weekly magazine "ENA" on March 11, 1992, and said that they as Macedonians were denied basic human rights in Greece and would field an ethnic Macedonian candidate for the up-coming Greek general election. Bulev said in the interview: "I am not Greek, I am Macedonian." Sideropoulos said in the article that "Greece should recognise Macedonia. The allegations regarding territorial aspirations against Greece are tales... We are in a panic to secure the border, at a time when the borders and barriers within the EEC are falling." The main charge against the two, according to the court summons, was that "they have spread...intentionally false information which might create unrest and fear among the citizens, and might affect the public security or harm the international interests of the country (Greece)." The Greek state does not recognise the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity. There are believed to be between 350,000 to 1,000,000 ethnic Macedonians living within Greece, largely concentrated in the north. It is a crime against the Greek state if anyone declares themselves Macedonian. In 1913 Greece, Serbia-Yugoslavia and Bulgaria partioned Macedonia into three pieces. In 1919 Albania took 50 Macedonian villages. The part under Serbo-Yugoslav occupation broke away in 1991 as the independent Republic of Macedonia. There are 1.5 million Macedonians in the Republic; 500,000 in Bulgaria; 150,000 in Albania; and 300,000 in Serbia proper. Sideropoulos has been a long time campaigner for Macedonian human rights in Greece, and lost his job as a forestry worker a few years ago. He was even exiled to an obscure Greek island in the mediteranean. Only pressure from Amnesty International forced the Greek government to allow him to return to his home town of Florina (Lerin) in Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia), where the majority of ethnic Macedonians live. Balkan watchers see the Sideropoulos affair as a show trial in which Greece is desperate to clamp down on internal dissent, especially when it comes to the issue of recognition for its northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia. Last year the State Department of the United States condemned Greece for its bad treatment of ethnic Macedonians and Turks (who largely live in Western Thrace). But it remains to be seen if the US government will do anything until the Presidential elections are over. Serdar Argic

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[stuff deleted] Actually, it does make a reasonable amount of sense. Fixed disk sectors are buffered by the controller, and transferring them to memory with a 'rep insw' (or whatever the instruction is called) is quite efficient (single instruction, goes as fast as the controller/cpu know how to use the bus). Since the 286 wasn't cached, the bus is likely a critical resource relative to CPU performance, and it's possible that DMA bus interference would cause as much or more loss of CPU cycles (for 'computing') as does the 'rep insw' sequence. The floppy, on the other hand, is not buffered, so that using the CPU for floppy data transfer (as was done on the PC Jr, by the way) really does stink.

There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby.

>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in place. You have it slightly wrong. They dumped the encryption system because they could not export it -- not because they could not produce it for U.S. use. There are no legal restraints on citizen use of strong cryptography -- yet. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com

The village I described was actually the closest I could come to describing mine. I agree there may be other villages where the civilian population has deserted because it is too close to Israeli lines and thus gets bombed more often. In such villages often the only remaining inhabitants are guerillas and some elderly who have nowhere else to go. But for the most part the typical South Lebanon village is more like mine. One where civilians and guerillas live together. They are often inhabiting the same house. Many families are large, some have members of the families involved in Hizollah, most others are not. That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with the local populace. Not because they are evil cowards that use women and children as shields, but because that is the only way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army. Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias. Though Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance operation and better motivated by religious conviction. As to retaliation, It may be a mixture of what we both say. Sometimes Israel chooses its targets carefully. At other times it just sends its pilots on sorties aimed at a town in general since it only knows that the attackers came from that specific village but has no further intelligence. On several occasions Israel retalliated against civilian refugee camps, even in North Lebanon, just to show that it will not sit idly after its soldiers have been attacked. Most of the time it directs the SLA to do the dirty work and indiscriminately shell some Lebanese villages on the other side. I have experienced this shelling myself on several occasions, this is why the SLA militia is sometimes even more despised than Israeli troops. I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's security, since it would reduce its military losses, and I claim that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any further attacks on Northern Israel. Hmm... Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better. I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself. It would be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for Israeli withdrawal. I don't think Syria wants Israel to be involved in its protectorate of Lebanon. Syria is sitting at the negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants to get a political resolution. A renewal of hostilities along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations back in question. I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable.

The answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without doing a lot of autopsies. The second question is something that's been known for some time. It appears that within about 15 years of quitting smoking a person's risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the person who never smoked (assuming you do not get lung cancer in the interim!). The risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non-smoker. Still rather low overall, but significant. Personally, I'd be more concerned about heart disease secondary to smoking -- it's much more common, and even a small increase in risk is significant there.

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>What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a >... You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to learn from your article? Treat people like dogs?

You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from. It also gives the amount of "threats" it is picking up, so if you go through the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the number of "threats" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop. It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem. Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu

Check out Xicor's new goodie in the April 12th edition of EETimes X88C64 - an 8k * 8 E2PROM with built in latch AND bootloader setup. You hook it directly to your '51, power it up, the prom initialises the serial port on the '51, you load in your code via RXD, this gets blatted onto the E2PROM, then you reset and run - i'm sure Dallas also does something like this too, i suppose it would boil down to relative prices, and the Dallas part freeing up P0 & P2 completely. I wonder if ANYONE has ever managed to design a single sided PCB with an 8051, 573, EPROM, SRAM and >>NO LINKS<< ? cheers Mike.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't threaten to rip your lips off, did I? Snort. Duh. Listen: thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite characteristics. If you have thrush, you have thrush, because you can see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it, it generally responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics who are convinced they have "candida" from reading a quack book. So?

% telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT expn clipper 250-<csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov> 250-<denning@cs.georgetown.edu> 250-<hoffman@seas.gwu.edu> 250-<mkapor@eff.org> 250-<rotenberg@cpsr.org> 250-<rivest@mit.edu> 250-<mhellman@stanford.edu> 250-<alanrp@aol.com> 250-<dparker@sri.com> 250-<jim@rsa.com> 250-<branstad@tis.com> 250 <mgrsplus@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov> quit 221 first.org closing connection Connection closed. Note also: % telnet csmes.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.54.2... Connected to csmes.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 csmes.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.1/NIST(rbj/dougm) ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:08:58 EDT expn mgrsplus 250-<mcnulty@ecf.ncsl.nist.gov> 250-Irene Gilbert <igilbert> 250-Dennis Branstad <branstad> 250-Robert Rosenthal <rmr> 250-Gene Troy <troy> 250-<smid@st1.ncsl.nist.gov> 250-Dennis Steinauer <dds> 250 <katzke@st1.ncsl.nist.gov> telnet mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.48.199... Connected to mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.1/rbj/jck-3 ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:06:50 EDT expn csspab 250-<burrows@ecf> 250-<mcnulty@ecf> 250-Bill Colvin <colvin> 250-<Gangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil> 250-John Kuyers <kuyers> 250-<slambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com> 250-<lipner@mitre.org> 250-<gallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil> 250-<cindy_rand@postmaster.dot.gov> 250-<walker@tis.com> 250-<willis@rand.org> 250-Eddie Zeitler <zeitler> 250-Cris Castro <castro> 250 <whitehurst@vnet.ibm.com> % telnet st1.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.54.91... Connected to st1.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 st1.ncsl.nist.gov SEndMaIl 4.1/NBS-rbj.11 rEadY At Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:13:43 EDT expn smid 250 Miles Smid <smid> expn katzke 250 Stuart Katzke <katzke> quit 221 st1.ncsl.nist.gov closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. % telnet ecf.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.48.2... Connected to ecf.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV TGV/MultiNet SMTP service ready. expn burrows 250 Burrows, James <burrows> expn mcnulty 250 McNulty, Lynn <mcnulty> quit 221 ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV TGV/MultiNet SMTP service complete. % whois -h rs.internic.net first.org National Institute of Standards and Technology (FIRST-DOM) 225/A216 NIST GAITHERSBURG, MD 20899 Domain Name: FIRST.ORG Administrative Contact: Wack, John P. (JPW18) WACK@ENH.NIST.GOV (301) 975-3411 (FTS) 879-3411 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hunt, Craig W. (CWH3) Hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV (301) 975-3827 (FTS) 879-3827 Record last updated on 17-Dec-91. Domain servers in listed order: DOVE.NIST.GOV 129.6.16.2 AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV 128.102.18.3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host ONLY contains Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.

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From Israel Line, Thursday, April 22, 1993: Today's HA'ARETZ reports that three women were injured when a Katyusha rocket fell in the center of their community. The rocket was one of several dozen fired at the communities of the Galilee in northern Israel yesterday by the terrorist Hizbullah organization [...] Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. Apparently, the Hizbollah were encouraged by Brad's cheers (good job, Brad). Someone forgot to tell them, though, that Brad asks them to place only Israeli _sons_ in the grave, not daughters. Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's holding to the security zone.

I have tested this on a 230 and it does work there. So it would seem that the 140 and 170 are out though. One way to tell is to go and open the PowerBook control panel(7.1). There is a setting there that allows you to set the time to wake up the Mac. If it is present when you open the control panel, then you can assume that SetWUTime will work.

There has been something bothering me while watching NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think) "Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected errors. ...". I am wondering what an "expected error" might be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but inquiring minds just gotta know............

Of course, I do not agree. It does have more horsepower. Horsepower is not the only measurement for 'better'. It does not have full motion, full screen video yet. Does it have CD-ROM XA? Which other manufacturers? We shall see about the date. This is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-).

Since I was the one responsible for these divergent threads of approx. 40+ posts (going back to: The Braves could be better off if an injury happens), I may as well inject a little more fuel to the flame! 1) Back at the beginning of Spring Training, I though Lopez would make the squad easily. Olson was still recovering from his late-season injury (knee, I believe), and there were questions as to whether he would be able to play before June. And then Berryhill was dinged up. I was looking forward to this, because I believe that Lopez can hit AND field the position. Before last season, he was the Braves "Defensive Catcher" prospect, while Brian Deak was the Braves "Offensive Catcher" prospect. Besides, Olson and Berryhill couldn't hit their way out of a wet cardboard box, and don't walk enough to be useful. But Olson recovered quickly, Berryhill recovered, and the Braves went with the two vets. I still say that if one of those two had been down at the start of the season, he wouldn't have gotten his job back. 2) There is a certain logic to keeping Olson and Berryhill around. After all, ML catchers are in short supply and suffer from wear and tear. There are teams out there without ONE average ML catcher (California and Seattle come to mind). Certainly, trying to move Olson or Berryhill through waivers would be unlikely to work. Plus, you'd have to eat that salary, which isn't huge, but isn't tiddleywinks either (I think Olson's at about $800,000, Berryhill at $450,000, but that's only what I recall). 3) Yes, I think arbitration-eligibility may have a role to play in this also. What is it, that 5/6 of the 2+year players aren't eligible for arbitration? Only the 1/6 that were on the roster the longest are eligible? Of course, the system may change, but the extent of that change is not yet known. From a business standpoint, it may make sense to keep Lopez down until June/the first time Olson/Berryhill go on the DL. 4) I am still disappointed that Lopez isn't on the team. I still prefer to think of myself as a fan when it comes to the Braves, and the truth is that I'd rather see our best team on the field, which, IMO, includes Lopez. Of course,today we play the Cubs. Hopefully, we won't need him. ;) As for the Schuerholz/Cox conversation, I imagine it went like this: (Remember, they've BOTH been GM's) (the following is not meant to be read by the humor-impaired) Cox: OK, we've sent Jones down. His fielding could be a little smoother. Besides, Blauser can hit OK and his fielding is better than it used to be. Schuerholz: Well, we'll have to send Nieves down too. Deion just won't sign that baseball only contract. We can't count on him in October, so we have to keep Nixon around for the defense. Besides, Gorman's not ready to give up on Billy Hatcher yet. Once Hatcher's gone AND Deion signs, we can move Nixon for Frankie Rodriguez. That ought to give us some pitching depth in 1995. Cox: Yep, that'll be nice. Too bad Deion won't sign. OK, I'll look for Nieves when Justice starts having Berry-Berry...er, back problems again. Now, what about Klesko? Schuerholz: Well, we've still got to fork out another 1.5 mil for Bream. If we keep Klesko, we either lose the money or Cabrera. I keep dangling Sid in front of Dal Maxwell, but somehow he doesn't seem to be the same GM. First Jeffries for Jose, and now Whiten for Clark! If he gets rid of Brian Jordan, then I'd HAVE to believe that he and Whitey Herzog switched bodies at the Winter Meetings! Cox: OK, keep trying on Bream, and I'll wait til the trading deadline for my Hunter/Klesko platoon. Maybe I can get a few extra at-bats for Cabrera while we wait. Try California... if Snow starts slowly, maybe WhiteyDal will bite on Sid. And if that doesn't work, then perhaps Sid's knees could be "persuaded" to act up. There's always the 15-day DL! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Schuerholz: What about Caraballo? Cox: Well, he's not that much better than Lemke. Maybe if he starts in Richmond, he'll start walking more. Besides, if he's going to be arbitration-eligible, better to stretch him out so that we actually get some value from him before he makes the big bucks. Schuerholz: Now, let's see. That leaves Lopez. Cox: NOOOOO! I gotta keep Lopez! Sure, I didn't think Olson would recover this quickly. Maybe I can talk Caminiti into running into him again? Schuerholz: Nope, Lopez has gotta go. You know that he'll get $3 million in arbitration. May as well put it off that one extra year. Besides, until Olson's shown his stuff a little bit, I can't trade him. Besides, Berryhill's a left-handed hitter. You know how rare that is? Cox: Don't you mean a left-handed whiffer? Pretty common, if you ask me. I mean, he made Pat Borders look good in the World Series. PAT BORDERS!!! Schuerholz: Hey, you're the one who wouldn't write Lopez into the lineup. Cox: Well, you're the one who went out and got me Jeff Reardon! Besides, I thought Lopez wouldn't be used to our pitching staff's stuff. He got some time with them this spring...looked pretty good. Come on, surely we only need to keep one stiff behind the plate? Schuerholz: Yeah, but which stiff? Whichever one we keep will be hurt by May. Cox: OK, OK, you made your point. Keep them both. Surely one of them will be on the DL by June at the latest. Then I can call up Lopez, and then we can win 110 games! The Pennant! THE WORLD SERIES! I'll be up there with John McGraw! Casey Stengel! Earl Weaver! Oh, they laughed at me in Toronto, but have you ever had to deal with George Bell? I'll finally get my just reward! Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Schuerholz: Easy, Bobby. Have you been taking those "happy pills" left around by Chuck Tanner? Why'd you ever hire that guy anyhow? Cox: Don't ask me; ask Ted. ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu "I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.)

[deletia] In the deletions somewhere, it mentioned something about chopping off of hands being a punishment for theft in Saudi Arabia. Assuming this is so (I wouldn't know), and assuming it is done by people fitting your requirement for "muslim" (which I find highly likely), then would you please try to convince Bobby Mozumder that muslims chop people's hands off? Come back when you've succeeded.

Sorry, but *neither* 'dictates' the cost. It's a negotiation. Whether it's up front at a honda dealership in an all out dickering war, or more removed on a larger economic scale (ie, if saturn can't sell at it's price, the price drops, or the company stops building them), it remains a negotiated value controlled by market forces. To think that the consumer controls price is ludicrous. If the consumer controled price, then cars would be *free*...And no one would build cars. Regards, Charles

...and in San Francisco recently, some of our finest examples of humanity poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become immobile, and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their demands known. --------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Mark Barnes, System Engineer | <insert standard disclaimers here> SunSoft | Corporate Technical Escalations | I speak for myself, an individual, Menlo Park, CA, USA | not for the company for which I work. barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM | --------------------------------+---------------------------------------

Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. You believe that the feds offer the least threat to liberty of anyone, and I'm sure I do too. Glad that jerk won't be tapping my phone anymore. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob.

WASHINGTON (UPI) -- A senior State Department official on Tuesday ruled out any softening of U.S. attitudes toward Iraq but said relations with Iran's Islamic regime could improve substantially if that government disassociates itself from international terrorism. ``Despite the name-calling and the harsh rhetoric from across the Gulf, despite all this, we do not take a position of permanent hostility towards the Islamic Republic of Iran,'' David Mack, deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, said. The primary U.S. objection is ``Iran's international behaviour'' which includes ``extending support of violence'' to disrupt the Arab Israeli peace process and its rapid build-up of dangerous weapons. Mack said ``Iran could contribute to regional stability and peace but first it is to end the behaviour which threatens this area.'' Mack spoke at the U.S.-GCC business conference aimed at promoting Gulf-American trade. He said the ``Middle East will be an item very high on the agenda of the U.S. administration.'' The importance of the Gulf is underlined by Secretary of State Warren Christoper's visit last year to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait before anywhere else in the world, Mack said. He added that the U.S. has no long-term plan to station troops in the Gulf. Mack also insisted that the Clinton administration will continue to pressure Iraq to ``comply with all the U.N. Security resolutions.'' ``As long as Iraq is ruled by Saddam Hussein we do not expect compliance,'' Mack told delegates.

SW8,SW7 number of 5.25" drives 0,0 1 drive 0,1 2 drives 1,0 3 drives 1,1 4 drives SW6,SW5 type of display 0,0 reserved 0,1 40x25 color (mono mode) 1,0 80x25 color (mono mode) 1,1 mono 80x25 SW4,SW3 amount of memory on system board 64k chips 256k chips 0,0 64k 256k 0,1 128k 512k 1,0 192k 576k 1,1 256k 640k

Forty-two is six times nine.

Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could be called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were designated and were given power. Remember that there were many thousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them apostles, though.

The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. no jumper set: drive is alone MA: drive is master SL: drive is slave Michael

According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs.

Nope. The Apple 16" monitor does not support multiple resolutions. It is not a multi-synching monitor.