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RE: Re: When are we going to get. [making ALSA rpms]
> made. Other than that, I bet you could do non-root. The following can
be scripted
> easily.
>
...
> 2. unpack them somewhere.
> 3. for each of them, go to the top directory of the unpacked tarball,
and do
> ../configure, then look in (I'm going by memory) TOPDIR/utils/* you
should see a spec
> file there. Do this for the 3 tarballs and you get 3 spec files.
>
The above steps can all be performed "automatically",
if the .spec files are updated to include the necessary
macros in the %prep (%setup -q) and %build stages.
This would make the building of the .rpm files less
error prone and more self-contained, and it would be
somewhat self-documenting.
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Re: Java is for kiddies
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>
>
> Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any idea at all how
the
> hardware functions.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice
there is.
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Making a mesh on the move
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0%2c3858%2c4489999%2c00.html
Making a mesh on the move
A new way to give us fast mobile net access spells further trouble for 3G,
reports Peter Rojas
Peter Rojas
Thursday August 29, 2002
The Guardian
Imagine being able to surf the net at speeds faster than DSL from
anywhere, at any time - you could watch a live video webcast while waiting
for the bus, email photos to your friends while sitting in the park, or
download the MP3 of the song that's playing in the pub before it finishes.
This is the vision of a high-speed wireless internet paradise that the
third-generation (3G) mobile phone companies have been promoting for
years. 3G services are just beginning to be rolled out, but a new
technology called mesh networking promises to deliver on this vision
sooner and more effectively than the mobile phone companies could ever
dream.
Two companies, US startup MeshNetworks and Moteran Networks of Germany,
are each developing their own competing version of mesh networking.
Instead of the current hub-and-spoke model of wireless communications,
with every device connecting to an overburdened central antenna, any time
"mesh-enabled" devices - mobile phones, PDAs, laptops - are in close
proximity to each other, they automatically create a wireless mesh
network. Every device in the area acts as a repeater or router, relaying
traffic for everyone else. Traffic hops from person to person until it
reaches the nearest internet access point, reducing the need for central
antennas, and improving wireless coverage.
As the number of mobile phones soars, and wireless PDAs, laptops, and
other devices begin to crowd the spectrum, this approach to wireless
networking may be inevitable.
Mesh networks also have several other advantages over 3G wireless
networks. While 3G operators roll out mobile services that offer users
connection speeds of up to 144 kbps (roughly three times faster than a
dial-up modem), Moteran and MeshNetworks are able to offer connection
speeds of up to 6Mbps, over a hundred times faster than dial-up. The
technologies they use include Wi-Fi - the emerging standard for high-speed
wireless networking also known as 802.11b. A similarly short-range
protocol called UltraWideBand, which is poised to succeed Wi-Fi, is even
faster and could, by 2005, approach 400 Mbps.
The range of a typical Wi-Fi network is generally too limited to be of
much use when travelling around a city. Mesh networks get around the
problem of coverage by having every device in the network relay traffic.
Even though the range of any individual device is relatively small,
because (in theory) there will be so many users in the surrounding area,
connections will be faster and better than that of a standard 3G wireless
connection.
Because mesh networks use Wi-Fi, the equipment and infrastructure needed
to create them is cheap and readily available. Instead of building
cellular phone towers that often cost hundreds of thousands of pounds, all
that is needed to get a network going are wireless access points (around
�100 now) placed strategically around town to relay traffic, and the
proper software. Existing laptops and PDAs can be mesh-enabled by
software.
It also means that anyone could set up their own mobile phone network.
Unlike with 3G cellular, the part of the spectrum that Wi-Fi operates on
is unregulated in the US, Britain. The mobile phone companies are none too
pleased about this, especially since many of them spent billions of pounds
acquiring 3G licences.
All that's needed are cheap relays and mobile phones equipped to connect
to the network. With every additional customer that signs up coverage gets
better, instead of getting worse, as is the case with mobile phone
networks.
But things get very interesting when you realise that when you have
high-speed internet connections everywhere, and everyone's laptops, PDAs,
and mobile phones are connected together at blazingly fast speeds, sharing
music, movies, or whatever else becomes ridiculously easy. When
UltraWideBand hits, all of this will just accelerate.
At 400Mbps, copying a pirated copy of the Lord of the Rings from the
person sitting across from you at the cafe would take about 15 seconds.
Sooner or later, playgrounds will be filled with kids swapping files of
their favourite songs, movies, and video games.
But the first mesh networks are not likely to be available to consumers.
MeshNetworks has no plans to offer its own high-speed wireless service.
Instead the company plans to sell its technology to others, such as cities
that want to provide wireless internet to police, fire, and public works
employees, or businesses that want to establish wireless networks on the
cheap. Moteran has similar aspirations for small businesses and for
enterprise networks.
The first place average users may use the technology is when it is
incorporated into vehicles, enabling motorists to access the internet at
high speeds, which both companies see happening soon.
When will you be able to wander around town with a 6Mbps connection in
your pocket? It's too soon to say, but just as broadband internet service
was initially available only to businesses and universities, eventually
someone will see the profit in bringing mesh networking to the masses.
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Re: Electric car an Edsel...
On 2 Sep 2002, RossO wrote:
> John Waylan (who was interviewed in Wired a few years back) pulled out a
> 14.4 second run in the quarter mile (91mph), on a battery pack that
> hasn't been broken in yet. He expects to break his record next year
> topping his 13.1sec/99mph run a couple of years ago. He's shooting for a
> 12 second run.
Battery pack, huh what???
You dont use batteries for a 1/4 mile run, you use capacitors. MANY times
the energy density, and you can get the energy out fast enough. Note that
the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run
anyway, just like a gas dragster is refueled, so this wouldnt be cheating.
200 MPH should be no problem.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Re: Electric car an Edsel...
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> Battery pack, huh what???
>
> You dont use batteries for a 1/4 mile run, you use capacitors. MANY times
Actually, you use both.
> the energy density, and you can get the energy out fast enough. Note that
No, even best supercapacitors are a long way to go from reasonably good
electrochemical energy sources. But you can recharge and discharge them
very quickly, and they take lots more of cycles than the best battery.
Ideal for absorbing the braking energy and turn them into smoking tires
few moments or minutes afterwards.
> the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run
> anyway, just like a gas dragster is refueled, so this wouldnt be cheating.
> 200 MPH should be no problem.
I don't see any reason why EVs shouldn't dominate dragster runs. The
traction is the limiting factor, not motor power. You can basically put
the motors into wheelhubs mounted on a composite frame, and dump juice
into them until they melt, which will be some 100 sec downstream. Plenty
of time to smoke anything.
Of course, it doesn't roar, and spew smokage, so it won't happen.
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Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies)
I stand corrected --- I'd thought I'd seen a display there listing in
the Ben Franklin museum which showed them as ranging in age from 19 to
just over 30 for the oldest, most in their early twenties.
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)
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Re: no matter where you go
> Another thing to note about Australia is that, while the highest income
> tax bracket (47%) isn't *that* high, it kicks in at around USD33,000.
and it looks like PPP for USD 33k is only
about USD 50k*, at least in Big Macs:
<http://www.economist.com/images/20020427/CFN751.gif>
Australia A$3.00 USD 1.62 -35%
US $2.49 USD 2.49
Switzerland SFr6.30 USD 3.81 +53%
Interestingly enough, although housing in
Perth seems cheap, housing in Switzerland
doesn't seem to be as expensive as the Big
Macs would imply.
-Dave
* which still doesn't sound bad, if one
can convert urban CA equity into free and
clear Oz ownership.
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Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies)
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
> For the most part, these were angry, middle-aged men. A column in this
> table shows their age at the time:
Mainly they were a bunch of rich people (the white/old/male is irrelivant
but how it happened to be at the time) that didnt want to pay their taxes to
da man er... king. So they had a revolution and formed a no-tax zone,
leading to a very fast growing economy and dreams for all - amazing what
an economy without 40% of everything disappearing to taxes. It was a great
many years before their were federal taxes in the US.
Now we give rich men who dont want to pay any taxes corporations to run,
with enough writeoffs and loopholes that they dont have to pay any :)
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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RE: Gasp!
I used Async IO on System V in the '87, '88 time frame. I did it that
way cause I thought it was cool to see if I could keep the tape
spinning.
I can believe Linux is catching up to this, but some ability to do async
IO already existed in the UNIX world.
John Hall
13464 95th Ave NE
Kirkland WA 98034
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
Adam
> L. Beberg
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:35 PM
> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: Gasp!
>
> "Red Hat Linux Advanced Server provides many high end features such
as:
> Support for Asynchronous I/O. Now read I/O no longer needs to stall
your
> application while waiting for completion."
>
> Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally catches
up
> to
> Windows and has I/O that doesnt totally suck for nontrivial apps? No
way!
>
> OK, so they do it with signals or a flag, which is completely ghetto,
but
> at
> least they are trying. Keep trying guys, you got the idea, but not the
> clue.
>
> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> beberg@mithral.com
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Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies)
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:31, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> It was a great many years before their were federal taxes in the US.
And during said period there were more than a few serious depressions.
Amazing what economies tend to do with or without taxes.
Luis
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InfoWorld profile of Max Levchin
Congrats, in the end...
> "If they didn't have Max, they might have succumbed, because PayPal was
> susceptible to fraud and money laundering, and Max tightened them up,"
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/ct/xml/02/09/02/020902ctspotlight.xml
Secure and at ease
By�Jack Mccarthy
August 30, 2002 1:01 pm PT
MAX LEVCHIN'S FASCINATION with encryption started when he was a teenager
in Kiev, Ukraine, and continued as he immigrated to the United States
where he attended the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. In
late 1998, not two years out of college, he drew on his passion to
co-found PayPal, the online payment system that has since attracted tens
of millions of users and gained the reputation as the premier Internet
transaction processor. Now online auction house eBay has acquired his
company for a king's ransom.
Not bad for a 27-year-old kid from Ukraine.
A programmer since he was 10 years old, Levchin and his family moved to
Chicago in 1991, and since then he has pursued security as if on a
mission. He created a startup right out of college to build secure
passwords for Palm Pilots. He met Peter Thiel, and the two founded
PayPal to target online payment security. Thiel is now CEO of the
company.
"This company was founded on the notion of security value," Levchin
says. "Peter Thiel and I shared that vision from the very beginning."
Thiel concentrates on company business matters, whereas Levchin remains
focused on security, which he says is the key to the company's good
fortune.
"I explain [PayPal] as a security company posing as a transaction
processor," Levchin says. "We spend a lot of time designing security so
it doesn't step on the toes of convenience and not the other way around.
The trade-off is fundamental."
Mountain View, Calif.-based PayPal allows businesses and consumers with
e-mail addresses to send and receive payments via the Internet,
accepting credit card or bank account payments for purchases. The
service extends to 38 countries, with more than 17 million users and
more than 3 million business accounts.
Most of PayPal's users are participants in online auctions, which led
PayPal to be closely linked with eBay, the leading Web auction site.
Although they were once rivals, the relationship between the two
companies resulted July 8 in eBay's tentative $1.5 billion acquisition
of PayPal. The agreement is subject to regulatory review.
Levchin says he will stay at PayPal as it merges with eBay. "There are
areas of synergy and collaboration we can explore."
Although security is a dominant feature for PayPal, the company's
ability to carry out open communications among the millions of
participants fits the growing Web services model, Levchin says.
"This is a service that links people and allows them to send messages to
one another," he says. Levchin is a panelist at InfoWorld's
Next-Generation Web Services II conference Sept. 20
PayPal, as an online payment system, is a natural target for fraud. And
Levchin has almost singlehandedly saved the company from thieves bent on
exploiting the system, says Avivah Litan, a vice president and analyst
covering financial services at Stamford, Conn.-based Gartner.
"If they didn't have Max, they might have succumbed, because PayPal was
susceptible to fraud and money laundering, and Max tightened them up,"
Litan says.
To combat criminals, Levchin established "Igor," an antifraud program
that monitors transactions and warns of suspicious accounts. Levchin
says building security and antifraud systems is a job he relishes. "The
work I do is important to PayPal and to consumers in general because the
work makes Internet shopping safe. It's the view that ecommerce has
arrived."
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asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!)
Of course we've had select() since BSD 4.2 and poll() since System V
or so, and they work reasonably well for asynchronous I/O up to a
hundred or so channels, but suck after that; /dev/poll (available in
Solaris and Linux) is one approach to solving this; Linux has a way to
do essentially the same thing with real-time signals, and has for
years; and FreeBSD has kqueue.
More details about these are at
http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/linux-scalability/
None of this helps with disk I/O; most programs that need to overlap
disk I/O with computation, on either proprietary Unixes or Linux, just
use multiple threads or processes to handle the disk I/O.
POSIX specifies a mechanism for nonblocking disk I/O that most
proprietary Unixes implement. The Linux kernel hackers are currently
rewriting Linux's entire I/O subsystem essentially from scratch to
work asynchronously, because they can easily build efficient
synchronous I/O primitives from asynchronous ones, but not the other
way around. So now Linux will support this mechanism too.
It probably doesn't need saying for anyone who's read Beberg saying
things like "Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any
idea at all how the hardware functions," but he's totally off-base.
People should know by now not to take anything he says seriously, but
apparently some don't, so I'll rebut.
Not surprisingly, the rebuttal requires many more words than the
original stupid errors.
In detail, he wrote:
> Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally
> catches up to Windows and has I/O that doesnt [sic] totally suck for
> nontrivial apps? No way!
Unix acquired nonblocking I/O in the form of select() about 23 years
ago, and Solaris has had the particular aio_* calls we are discussing
for many years. Very few applications need the aio_* calls ---
essentially only high-performance RDBMS servers even benefit from them
at all, and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with
multiple threads or processes. This just provides a modicum of extra
performance.
> OK, so they do it with signals or a flag, which is completely
> ghetto, but at least they are trying. Keep trying guys, you got the
> idea, but not the clue.
Readers can judge who lacks the clue here.
> The Windows I/O model does definately [sic] blow the doors off the
> UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's [sic]
> suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just
> now looking at it's [sic] I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess
> multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API
> comes out of it.
Although I don't have a copy of the spec handy, I think the aio_* APIs
come from the POSIX spec IEEE Std 1003.1-1990, section 6.7.9, which is
13 years old, and which I think documented then-current practice.
They might be even older than that.
Unix has been multiprocess since 1969, and most Unix implementations
have supported multithreading for a decade or more.
> Bottom line is the "do stuff when something happens" model turned
> out to be right, and the UNIX "look for something to do and keep
> looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look"
> is not really working so great anymore.
Linux's aio_* routines can notify the process of their completion with
a "signal", a feature missing in Microsoft Windows; a "signal" causes
the immediate execution of a "signal handler" in a process. By
contrast, the Microsoft Windows mechanisms to do similar things (such
as completion ports) do not deliver a notification until the process
polls them.
I don't think signals are a better way to do things in this case
(although I haven't written any RDBMSes myself), but you got the
technical descriptions of the two operating systems exactly backwards.
Most programs that use Linux real-time signals for asynchronous
network I/O, in fact, block the signal in question and poll the signal
queue in a very Windowsish way, using sigtimedwait() or sigwaitinfo().
--
<kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. This is a terrible loss after
which the world will never be the same.
http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2002-August/013974.html
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Re: Electric car an Edsel...
Ah, THIS is the car i've seen on discovery channel, but url via a lurker.
http://arivettracing.com/battery.html
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!)
Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote:
> [entire post included]
Yep, he sure did. But thanks for reminding us.
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Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!)
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote:
> Of course we've had select() since BSD 4.2 and poll() since System V
> or so, and they work reasonably well for asynchronous I/O up to a
> hundred or so channels, but suck after that; /dev/poll (available in
> Solaris and Linux) is one approach to solving this; Linux has a way to
> do essentially the same thing with real-time signals, and has for
> years; and FreeBSD has kqueue.
>
> More details about these are at
> http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/linux-scalability/
>
> None of this helps with disk I/O; most programs that need to overlap
> disk I/O with computation, on either proprietary Unixes or Linux, just
> use multiple threads or processes to handle the disk I/O.
>
> POSIX specifies a mechanism for nonblocking disk I/O that most
> proprietary Unixes implement. The Linux kernel hackers are currently
> rewriting Linux's entire I/O subsystem essentially from scratch to
> work asynchronously, because they can easily build efficient
> synchronous I/O primitives from asynchronous ones, but not the other
> way around. So now Linux will support this mechanism too.
>
> It probably doesn't need saying for anyone who's read Beberg saying
> things like "Memory management is a non-issue for anyone that has any
> idea at all how the hardware functions," but he's totally off-base.
> People should know by now not to take anything he says seriously, but
> apparently some don't, so I'll rebut.
>
> Not surprisingly, the rebuttal requires many more words than the
> original stupid errors.
>
> In detail, he wrote:
> > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally
> > catches up to Windows and has I/O that doesnt [sic] totally suck for
> > nontrivial apps? No way!
>
> Unix acquired nonblocking I/O in the form of select() about 23 years
> ago, and Solaris has had the particular aio_* calls we are discussing
> for many years. Very few applications need the aio_* calls ---
> essentially only high-performance RDBMS servers even benefit from them
> at all, and most of those have been faking it fine for a while with
> multiple threads or processes. This just provides a modicum of extra
> performance.
>
> > OK, so they do it with signals or a flag, which is completely
> > ghetto, but at least they are trying. Keep trying guys, you got the
> > idea, but not the clue.
>
> Readers can judge who lacks the clue here.
>
> > The Windows I/O model does definately [sic] blow the doors off the
> > UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's [sic]
> > suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just
> > now looking at it's [sic] I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess
> > multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API
> > comes out of it.
>
> Although I don't have a copy of the spec handy, I think the aio_* APIs
> come from the POSIX spec IEEE Std 1003.1-1990, section 6.7.9, which is
> 13 years old, and which I think documented then-current practice.
> They might be even older than that.
>
> Unix has been multiprocess since 1969, and most Unix implementations
> have supported multithreading for a decade or more.
>
> > Bottom line is the "do stuff when something happens" model turned
> > out to be right, and the UNIX "look for something to do and keep
> > looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look"
> > is not really working so great anymore.
>
> Linux's aio_* routines can notify the process of their completion with
> a "signal", a feature missing in Microsoft Windows; a "signal" causes
> the immediate execution of a "signal handler" in a process. By
> contrast, the Microsoft Windows mechanisms to do similar things (such
> as completion ports) do not deliver a notification until the process
> polls them.
>
> I don't think signals are a better way to do things in this case
> (although I haven't written any RDBMSes myself), but you got the
> technical descriptions of the two operating systems exactly backwards.
> Most programs that use Linux real-time signals for asynchronous
> network I/O, in fact, block the signal in question and poll the signal
> queue in a very Windowsish way, using sigtimedwait() or sigwaitinfo().
>
> --
> <kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
> Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. This is a terrible loss after
> which the world will never be the same.
> http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2002-August/013974.html
>
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Re: Electric car an Edsel...
--- begin forwarded text
From: A guy who models plasma all day...
To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel...
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:49:20 -0600
Bob,
This capacitor drive idea isn't completely stupid, but neither is it well
thought out.
Maxwell (www.maxwell.com) makes and sells high energy density capacitors,
called ultracapacitors. They deliver them in an air-cooled, voltage
regulated module that will charge to 42 V and hold 128 kilojoules -- roughly
the energy in 2 teaspoons of sugar or a bite of a donut -- and weighs 16
kilograms. If that electrical energy could all be converted to kinetic
energy, there's enough to get the capacitor module up to about 200 mph -- in
a vacuum.
Suppose you take the entire power density of the capacitor module -- 2.8
kw/kg (~4 hp/kg!) -- and punch it through an electric motor. How much does
the 64 hp electric motor weigh? If it were as little as 50 kg -- and I bet
it isn't -- that capacitor and motor would have a top speed of 100 mph --
the speed at which their energy is the 128 kJ that was initially stored
electrically in the capacitor. And it's not at all obvious that the torque
vs. speed characteristic of 42 V DC motors will support this, or how they do
it without wheels, drive train, etc.
But if they can, they can only do it in a vacuum where there is no drag!
On to the Lunarnationals? Or would you prefer the bite of donut?
<Somebody's .sig>
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
To: "Vinnie Moscaritolo" <vinnie@vmeng.com>; "Randolph Elliott"
<elliott@engineous.com>; <NicholasFC@aol.com>; "Duncan Goldie-Scot"
<dgs@btinternet.com>; "G. Gruff" <g_gruff@yahoo.com>;
<michael.frese@numerex.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel...
>
> --- begin forwarded text
>
>
> Status: RO
> Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>
> To: RossO <fork@ordersomewherechaos.com>
> Cc: <fork@spamassassin.taint.org>
> Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel...
> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
> On 2 Sep 2002, RossO wrote:
>
> > John Waylan (who was interviewed in Wired a few years back) pulled out a
> > 14.4 second run in the quarter mile (91mph), on a battery pack that
> > hasn't been broken in yet. He expects to break his record next year
> > topping his 13.1sec/99mph run a couple of years ago. He's shooting for a
> > 12 second run.
>
> Battery pack, huh what???
>
> You dont use batteries for a 1/4 mile run, you use capacitors. MANY times
> the energy density, and you can get the energy out fast enough. Note that
> the battery packs are fully swapped out for recharging after each run
> anyway, just like a gas dragster is refueled, so this wouldnt be cheating.
> 200 MPH should be no problem.
>
> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> beberg@mithral.com
>
> --- end forwarded text
>
>
> --
> -----------------
> R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com>
> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
> "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
> [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
> experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>
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"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: Signers weren't angry young men (was: Java is for kiddies)
At 4:12 PM +0000 on 9/3/02, Russell Turpin wrote:
> Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence,
> only two were in their twenties at the time. Their
> average age was forty-five. There were no teenagers.
> Fourteen were over fifty. Ben Franklin was the oldest,
> at seventy. For the most part, these were angry,
> middle-aged men.
I think it was George Carlin who said something to the effect that young
men in general are boring, but, around fifty, men either have everything
they ever wanted, or have almost nothing of what they wanted; either of
which makes them behave quite interestingly.
Cheers,
RAH
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--George Carlin
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EPA Stunned: Diesel Exhaust Can Cause Cancer
Glad they finally figured this one out... Note the very careful wording, so
exhaust may be beneficial to ones health as long as you have a glass a day
with some cheese.
Interesting timing, since 16,000 truckers just lost their jobs and dont have
to worry about death from this anymore.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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EPA: Diesel Exhaust Can Cause Cancer
Wed Sep 4, 3:29 AM ET
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Inhaling diesel exhausts from large trucks and other
sources over time can cause cancer in humans, an Environmental Protection
Agency ( news - web sites) report concludes after a decade of study.
The EPA finding, released Tuesday, is expected to buttress the government's
push to reduce truck tailpipe emissions by requiring cleaner-burning engines
and diesel fuel with ultra-low sulfur content.
While acknowledging uncertainties about the long-term health effects of
exposure to diesel exhausts, the EPA report said studies involving both
animal tests and occupational exposure suggest strong evidence of a cancer
risk to humans.
"It is reasonable to presume that the hazard extends to environmental
exposure levels" as well, the report said. "The potential human health
effects of diesel exhausts is persuasive, even though assumptions and
uncertainties are involved."
The report mirrors conclusions made previously in documents from various
world health agencies and studies in California and is particularly
significant because the EPA is the federal agency that regulates diesel
emissions under the Clean Air Act.
Some environmentalists have raised concerns recently that the Bush
administration might try to back away from a Clinton-era regulation that
would establish tougher requirements on emissions from large trucks and a
separate rule that virtually would eliminate sulfur from diesel fuel.
EPA Administrator Christie Whitman repeatedly has promised to go ahead with
the tougher truck and diesel rules. Last month, with White House approval,
the EPA rebuffed attempts by some diesel engine manufacturers to postpone
the requirements, approving new penalties against manufacturers who fail to
meet an October deadline for making cleaner-burning truck engines.
The engine rule does not affect emissions from trucks already on the road,
although the separate regulation cutting the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel
is expected to produce pollution reductions.
The EPA's 651-page diesel health assessment did not attempt to estimate the
probability of an individual getting cancer, given certain exposure to
diesel exhaust. Such a risk assessment is commonly made by the EPA when
gauging pollution health concerns.
But in this case, the report said, "the exposure-response data are
considered too uncertain" to produce a confident quantitative estimate of
cancer risk to an individual.
Nevertheless, said the report, the "totality of evidence from human, animal
and other supporting studies" suggests that diesel exhaust "is likely to be
carcinogenic to humans by inhalation, and that this hazard applies to
environmental exposure."
The report reiterated that environmental exposure to diesel exhausts poses
short-term health problems and in the long term has been shown to be a
"chronic respiratory hazard to humans" contributing to increased asthma and
other respiratory problems. In some urban areas diesel exhausts account for
as much as a quarter of the airborne microscopic soot, the report said.
Environmentalists welcomed the study as clear evidence that pollution needs
to be curtailed not only from large trucks but also from off-road
diesel-powered vehicles. EPA spokeswoman Steffanie Bell said the agency
expects to publish a rule early next year dealing with those diesel exhaust
sources, which include farm tractors and construction equipment.
Emily Figdor of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, a private
environmental organization, said: "To reduce the public's exposure to
harmful diesel emissions, the Bush administration should ... fully implement
clean air standards for diesel trucks and buses and should pass equivalent
standards for diesel construction and farm equipment."
Allen Schaeffer, executive director of the industry group Diesel Technology
Forum, said the EPA's report "focused on the past," whereas "the future is
clean diesel. Diesel trucks and buses built today are more than eight times
cleaner than just a dozen years ago."
The report acknowledged that its findings were based on emissions levels in
the mid-1990s, but said the results continued to be valid because the slow
turnover of truck engines has kept many of these vehicles on the road.
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Kill Your Gods
Hindus mourn 'monkey god'
By Omer Farooq
BBC reporter in Hyderabad
Hundreds of people have attended the funeral of a monkey which became
revered as a divine incarnation of a Hindu god in the southern Indian
state of Andhra Pradesh.
The monkey was quite old and both its hind legs were paralysed
Animal rights campaigners say the monkey died of starvation and exhaustion
after being trapped in a temple for a month by over-zealous worshippers.
The animal was cremated in Anantapur district, 400 kilometres (250 miles)
south of the state capital, Hyderabad, on Sunday.
It had not eaten for three weeks.
Last rites were performed by priests in the village of Timmiganipally in
the presence of hundreds of devotees who had come to believe that the
monkey was a reincarnation of the Hindu monkey god, Hanuman.
Garlanded
One animal rights activist said his group's efforts to save the monkey had
failed because of the blind faith of the people.
The monkey's death came a day after he and others tried to move the animal
out of the temple, but were prevented by villagers.
The monkey, which was found perched on top of an idol of Hanuman a month
ago, attracted hundreds of devotees every day from surrounding villages,
as well as from the neighbouring state of Karnataka.
Devotees showered the monkey with fruit and flowers and worshipped it
around the clock.
'Exploited'
Locals said they believed that Lord Hanuman was visiting the village, as
the temple had stopped daily rituals after a dispute between two groups of
residents.
But animal rights campaigners complained that the animal was being
mistreated.
They filed a petition in the state's High Court saying the monkey had been
forcibly confined in the temple.
The group also alleged that people's religious feelings were being
exploited to make money.
The court then ordered the local administration to rescue the monkey - but
villagers prevented officials from taking him for treatment in time.
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Re: Kill Your Gods
Hindus got 3 billion gods..... So, losing one is no
big deal, really....
Its just sick that they killed an innocent animal,
which doesn't even know the concept of "God".
Sateesh
--- Tom <tomwhore@slack.net> wrote:
> Hindus mourn 'monkey god'
>
>
> By Omer Farooq
> BBC reporter in Hyderabad
>
> Hundreds of people have attended the funeral of a
> monkey which became
> revered as a divine incarnation of a Hindu god in
> the southern Indian
> state of Andhra Pradesh.
>
>
> The monkey was quite old and both its hind legs were
> paralysed
>
> Animal rights campaigners say the monkey died of
> starvation and exhaustion
> after being trapped in a temple for a month by
> over-zealous worshippers.
>
> The animal was cremated in Anantapur district, 400
> kilometres (250 miles)
> south of the state capital, Hyderabad, on Sunday.
>
> It had not eaten for three weeks.
>
> Last rites were performed by priests in the village
> of Timmiganipally in
> the presence of hundreds of devotees who had come to
> believe that the
> monkey was a reincarnation of the Hindu monkey god,
> Hanuman.
>
> Garlanded
>
> One animal rights activist said his group's efforts
> to save the monkey had
> failed because of the blind faith of the people.
>
>
> The monkey's death came a day after he and others
> tried to move the animal
> out of the temple, but were prevented by villagers.
>
> The monkey, which was found perched on top of an
> idol of Hanuman a month
> ago, attracted hundreds of devotees every day from
> surrounding villages,
> as well as from the neighbouring state of Karnataka.
>
> Devotees showered the monkey with fruit and flowers
> and worshipped it
> around the clock.
>
> 'Exploited'
>
> Locals said they believed that Lord Hanuman was
> visiting the village, as
> the temple had stopped daily rituals after a dispute
> between two groups of
> residents.
>
> But animal rights campaigners complained that the
> animal was being
> mistreated.
>
> They filed a petition in the state's High Court
> saying the monkey had been
> forcibly confined in the temple.
>
> The group also alleged that people's religious
> feelings were being
> exploited to make money.
>
> The court then ordered the local administration to
> rescue the monkey - but
> villagers prevented officials from taking him for
> treatment in time.
>
>
>
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CD player UI for toddlers
So, like many young children, my daughter Tatum (age 21 months) *really*
likes music. She also likes to have control over her environment, and this
means she wants to be the one putting CDs into the CD player, and getting
the music playing.
By watching Tatum, I've discovered that you can learn a lot about UI design
from watching 21-month-olds use technology. There is definitely a market
niche for a toddler-friendly CD/MP3 player.
The CD player we have combines play and pause in a single button, but
doesn't provide *instantaneous* feedback that the button was pushed, instead
requiring you to wait until the music starts, 5-10 seconds. This is a UI
disaster. Since Tatum doesn't get feedback right away, she presses the
button again, thereby pausing the CD before it even plays. She'll only ever
get music if she presses the button an odd number of times. This happens a
surprising amount of the time, since she eventually hits the button again
when the music doesn't play.
For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately,
within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press the
button multiple times. As well, pressing the button multiple times shouldn't
change the semantics, like an elevator button. No matter how many times you
press, the elevator still comes to that floor. The play button needs to be
the same.
The back-hinged door mechanism feeding the CD into the player is also a UI
disaster for Tatum. Since the door hinges on the back, Tatum has to angle
CDs to put them in, and take them out. Putting CDs in isn't much of a
problem, but taking them out is. Since Tatum grabs CDs by the back edge,
that edge comes out first, hitting the lid. Tatum eventually forces and
wiggles the CD out, a process that's hard on the CD and the player (but
which hasn't yet resulted in the CD player being broken). Surprisingly, it
hasn't been a problem getting the CD hole onto the spindle -- Tatum seems to
understand this concept, and the CD load area geometry naturally guides the
CD.
Tatum's CD player also plays tapes and has FM radio. For a toddler, this is
a mistake. Tatum doesn't understand the need to flick a switch to put the
player into a specific mode. She understands putting a CD in, and pressing
the play button. She sometimes understands the buttons for advancing a song,
but uses them erratically. As well, the radio feature has both FM mono and
FM stero, a distinction totally lost on Tatum. Tatum only understands the
binary distinction of music/no music.
What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start
playing a CD after it was loaded. As soon as the CD load door was closed, it
would give some audible feedback. It would have a single large play button.
The other typical CD controls would be larger than normal, but at least half
the size of the play button, and located far away from the play button, so
there is no chance of them getting accidentally pressed on the way to play.
The play button would be a bright color that is different from the color of
the player, and different from the color of the other CD control keys. The
device would only play CDs, no other functions. The CD load area would flip
open at least 80 degrees. It should be small, approachable for a toddler. It
should be possible to repeatedly drop the player from a height of 1-2'
without affecting the player.
- Jim
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
Our preschoolers (2 and 4) use Winamp with a Pokemon skin. It's the
2-yr-old who figured out he could put it into a sidebar menu so all
he need do is click there to launch their favourite MP3 playlist.
What /we/ need is a good "barely literate" email program. Years ago
the university of Hawaii had a word processor that included a
voice-assist and also would pop up menus for common completions as
words were typed; even further back there was a DOS shareware editor
that did that latter function extremely well (targetted at the
handicapped). With just those little bits of assists, maybe some
clever use of pictograms too, I bet kindergarten kids could handle
email.
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)
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whoa
This just blew my mind:
http://www.earthviewer.com/
The detail of my neighborhood -- even my building -- is unbelievable.
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Ouch...
Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
------------
Get Sexier, Keep Husbands, Mayor Tells Wives
Wed Sep 4, 9:14 AM ET
MISSAGLIA, Italy (Reuters) - Husband's eyes wandering? Make yourself sexier.
At least that's the solution proposed by an Italian mayor -- and a woman
mayor at that.
Wives in the northern town of Missaglia had complained to mayor Marta
Casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace.
They complained that the men in the town of some 7,000 people were spending
too much time ogling, so they asked Casiraghi to order the woman to put her
clothes back on.
But the mayor, far from sympathizing, told the wives to get sexy if they
wanted to keep their men. "The girl was very pretty and was soaking up some
sun. Topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays.
There's nothing we can do," Casiraghi told Il Nuovo, a web-based newspaper.
"Instead, I'd advise the wives to play their rival at her own game -- make
themselves more beautiful."
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Re: Gecko adhesion finally sussed.
Jim Whitehead wrote:
>Great, this is half of what I'd need to become Spider Man! Now all I need to
>figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing.
>
Heheheh... So becomming a university professor was your second career
choice? ;-)
Seriously though (or not, as the case may be), The Amazing Spiderman had
many other abilities to help him out. Most notable, perhaps, was his
'spidey strength' and 'spidey senses'. The strength to weight ratio of a
spider is so high that Spiderman is able to throw a bus several city
blocks with little effort. His endurance is similarly enhanced as well.
As for the spidey senses, well they're really great, but AFAIK not
really well explained in the comic series. Spiders have multiple eyes,
ears, noses and tongues which Peter Parker did not visibly have. There
have been a few attempts to explain his heightened reflexes, from the
biological to hidden methamphetamine use, but none seem to do the spidey
sense justice... I seem to recall Spiderman being able to detect the
presence of well concealed weapons and even sense evil-doers while they
were in their street clothes. Perhaps the spidey senses are the result
of some sort of quantum entanglement?
Elias
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RE: Java is for kiddies
<snip>
Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc.
</snip>
Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to
come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good
hackers, no Java, no GUI, not even C++ -- just C and Linux and networking
and good old stuff like that. They just raised a wad of money and they're
looking for a few "really good programmers", says the CTO. I know him --
very smart guy. Drives too fast, though, for what that's worth.
Joe Bob says "check it out". I'd be happy to pass on your resume, or you can
send it straight to them. Probably won't matter if I pass it on, since I
don't know you guys anyway...
http://www.netli.com
-- Sherry.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph S. Barrera III [mailto:joe@barrera.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:58 AM
> To: Adam L. Beberg
> Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies
>
>
> Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> >>> Forwarding me stuff from a list is hardly handing me a job.
> >>
> >> I was talking about the open reqs at Kana (the company I
> work for).
> >> Oh, but programming in Java is beneath you.
> >
> > Nope just lacking years and years of it. For some silly
> reason people
> > always want things to be reliable, fast, and
> cross-platform so all my
> > employers have forced me to code in C :)
>
> C is more reliable than Java??
>
> As for cross-platform, C exists on more platforms, but a Java program
> is much easier to move from one platform to another. So I'm not sure
> what you mean.
>
> I'm not trying to fight a language war, but I'm puzzled by the depth
> of your anti-Java hatred.
>
> > I know lots of high school
> > kiddies with plenty of Java tho, not having to teach people about
> > pointers or optimization or anything shaves years off the
> coder boot
> > time. I'll send them your way when they graduate.
>
> Pointers. So a language has to have pointers to be real? And
> references
> don't count, I gather. What's so great about pointers? Why do you
> miss them? If your doing embedded stuff, fine, yes, you need the
> performance and control over memory that C provides. Probably.
> But if your implementing tier N-1 of a tier N system, and pounding
> against a database, then Java is OFTEN a very reasonable choice.
> Especially if you want that system to run without leaking memory.
>
> Optimization. Who says you can't optimize Java? I can and have,
> and there are good tools that allow you to do it (I use OptimizeIt).
> But usually I find myself optimizing (reducing) database accesses
> instead. I sped one part of the system up by a factor of ten by
> grouping more operations into fewer transactions.
>
> But this is beside the point. If you have decent C++ experience, and
> have poked around in Java, you should be able to convince most
> employers that you can be trusted writing Java. That's what I did --
> I mean, I joined Kana from Microsoft, and I didn't exactly write
> a lot of Java code at Microsoft.
>
> > I'm not displeased you're trying to help, just frustrated that
> > employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills with
> > insane years of experience.
>
> I don't think I've ever interviewed at a place where I actually
> met all the prerequisites. Do you just give up when you don't?
>
> > Interview tommorow with Kodak, doing I have no idea what as the
> > recruiter isnt even sure, but cross your fingers it wont require 10
> > years of Java and 5 years of Windows/IA-64's device driver
> experience
> > (both common requirements).
>
> I wish you best of luck, and I apologies for being a bitch.
> But God DAMN, you piss me off sometimes. My son occasionally
> displays your "can't-do" attitude and I do my damnest to
> get him to reverse course.
>
> - Joe
>
>
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Re: Ouch...
Someone needs to tell the mayor about this:
http://www.cb-2000.com/
kinkily yours,
Cindy
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
> next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
>
> Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
>
> ------------
>
> Get Sexier, Keep Husbands, Mayor Tells Wives
> Wed Sep 4, 9:14 AM ET
>
> MISSAGLIA, Italy (Reuters) - Husband's eyes wandering? Make yourself sexier.
> At least that's the solution proposed by an Italian mayor -- and a woman
> mayor at that.
>
> Wives in the northern town of Missaglia had complained to mayor Marta
> Casiraghi about a young woman who sunbathed topless on her terrace.
>
> They complained that the men in the town of some 7,000 people were spending
> too much time ogling, so they asked Casiraghi to order the woman to put her
> clothes back on.
>
> But the mayor, far from sympathizing, told the wives to get sexy if they
> wanted to keep their men. "The girl was very pretty and was soaking up some
> sun. Topless sunbathing is largely tolerated and widespread nowadays.
> There's nothing we can do," Casiraghi told Il Nuovo, a web-based newspaper.
>
> "Instead, I'd advise the wives to play their rival at her own game -- make
> themselves more beautiful."
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re[2]: Java is for kiddies
SL> <snip>
SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc.
SL> </snip>
<snip>
SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to
SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good
</snip>
I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of
excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :)
GO Adam GO!
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Adam dont job for no one, see.
A groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot, zol men bay im nit
fregn, un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn, and if that aint the truth
nutin is.
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Whitehead" <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu>
>
> For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately,
> within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press
the
> button multiple times.
Or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now.
> As well, pressing the button multiple times shouldn't
> change the semantics, like an elevator button. No matter how many times
you
> press, the elevator still comes to that floor. The play button needs to be
> the same.
Idempotency everywhere you look...
> What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start
> playing a CD after it was loaded.
It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.
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Re: Gecko adhesion finally sussed.
>>>>> "E" == Elias Sinderson <elias@cse.ucsc.edu> writes:
E> ... The strength to weight ratio of a spider is so high
E> that Spiderman is able to throw a bus several city blocks with
E> little effort. His endurance is similarly enhanced as well.
Could this be as simple as a modified molecular structure where the
humanoid cells are in fact exo-skeletally structured with more atoms
per cubic angstrom to achieve the distance-squared tensile strength
enhancements we find when we introduce smaller metal atoms between the
lattice packed grid of iron atoms to create steel?
This 'steel-effect' might give bone structure and tendons dramatically
(several orders of magnitude) more tensile strength without the need
to significantly increase the weight (like magnesium-alloy or
carbon-fiber weight compared to iron, Spidey could even be way under
weight). Only increasing tensile strength could accommodate the
mobility and leverage feats since bones are actually formed from
bubbles of organic material hydrolically assisted, tensile strength
cross-sectionally would give his frame the strength to withstand the
muscular enhancement.
E> As for the spidey senses, well they're really great, but AFAIK
E> not really well explained in the comic series.
If the same close-packing gap-filling arachne-molecular structure
modification occurs in neural tissues, and there'd be no reason to
think that these would grow differently from bones and tendons, then
what we are seeing in spidey sense is no more than the heightened
cerebral functions due to shorter/faster/stronger synapses throughout
the entire nervous system.
Since we know dogs and cats measure human emotions by smell, clearly
hearing the heartbeats, and other subtle clues within their normal
sensory ranges (but seem mystical to us) ... for Peter Parker,
everything from air currents on his facial-hairs to extremely subtle
hormone smells might coallesce into a general gestalt of Spidey-Sense;
don't forget that he'd acquired this ability in adolescence and thus
would lack any cultural or even pathological basis to explain the
heightened awareness to himself in anything but mystical terms. We
know from issue #1 that his collision-avoidance reflex response time
was far swifter than his cognitive awareness since he 'found' himself
already stuck to the tree when the bicycle was already past and hence
his disorientation ("You ok, Mister?") as if it was a hallucination.
Hmmm ... it may even be physio-psychologically interesting to examine
if Peter Parker's personal quandries arose _because_ his physiological
'Spidey' infrastructure had been advanced whereas his psychological
perception of his self had not, ie, "Peter" was not "Spiderman" but
just the "driver of the bus". Only, unlike ourselves, he found his
self driving a body-vehicle not evolutionarily matched to his
cognitive time-scales.
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
Mr Fork writes:
Jim Whitehead writes:
> > For toddlers, pressing play must cause the music to start immediately,
> > within half a second, for the toddler to get the causality and not press
> the
> > button multiple times.
> Or some sound indicating that the music will start real soon now.
A tonal countdown would be nice.
> > What would the ideal toddler CD player be like? It would immediately start
> > playing a CD after it was loaded.
> It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.
Hmm. Seems like every CD player should include the
capability to rip, encode, and cache the last few CDs
inserted.
Playback would then never need to face seek delays...
after the initial ripping, the only use of the laser
pickup would be recognizing which CD is inserted --
which might be doable faster than a seek-and-start-at-
first-track operation.
You could also take the CD out while it is "playing".
Hmm. If the CD is still in the cache, maybe you don't
even have to insert it. Or choose it from a step-through
UI. Instead, you just wave it at an electronic eye of
some sort... and the player recognizes it from the
silkscreening. Kids would like that. "Play this," they'd
say, facing the CD at the player, and the player would
start immediately.
- Gordon
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote:
--]Hmm. Seems like every CD player should include the
--]capability to rip, encode, and cache the last few CDs
--]inserted.
There are companies doing just that, but given the current state of the
DRm sceen and the litigiouness of the RIAA, who wants to go down like
circus seals?
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Mr. FoRK wrote:
--]It'd be an MP3 player with solid state storage... instant on.
Getting new media on is a bit out of the reach of the kindala. With a CD
solution you hand em a disc and in it goes.
Tradeoffs abound.
Heather got a CD player when she was 5. Even though it was a crappy
handmedown it worked great other than the batterys poping out..bad bad ui
there. Her next one was a store bought. Its an all Audio player, no mp3
decoders for her yet. I wanted to do the bottom line Volt but momala put
the kabash on anything costing over 30 bucks. heck I had to scrounge ebay
to get her a palm m100 for about 25 bucks.
The only hitch is new music. Upshot is we spend time going over usenet
listing togther:)-
Its a happy family.
Now for Benjamin, yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool
Fisher Price My First (cd, casset, vasectomy, dirtybomb) products. Perhaps
the My First Cd might work...time to let ebay do the walking.
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
"Jim Whitehead" <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu> writes:
> The CD player we have combines play and pause in a single button, but
> doesn't provide *instantaneous* feedback that the button was pushed, instead
> requiring you to wait until the music starts, 5-10 seconds. This is a UI
> disaster. Since Tatum doesn't get feedback right away, she presses the
> button again, thereby pausing the CD before it even plays. She'll only ever
> get music if she presses the button an odd number of times. This happens a
> surprising amount of the time, since she eventually hits the button again
> when the music doesn't play.
Nice to hear that somebody else does this too.
--
Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/
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Re: Adam dont job for no one, see.
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Tom wrote:
> A groys gesheft zol er hobn mit shroyre vus er hot, zol men bay im nit
> fregn, un vos men fregt zol er nisht hobn, and if that aint the truth
> nutin is.
A nice curse. Don't get "shroyre", though.
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Re: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies
bitbitch@magnesium.net writes:
> SL> <snip>
> SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc.
> SL> </snip>
> <snip>
> SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to
> SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good
> </snip>
>
> I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of
> excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :)
http://www.netli.com/careers/index.htm
>* Along with your resume, please answer this question: What does this �C� statement do? #define XY(s, m) (&((s *)0)->m)
Besides provide job security?
--
Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/
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Re: CD player UI for toddlers
> Now for Benjamin, yea id love to have something like the amazingly cool
> Fisher Price My First (cd, casset, vasectomy, dirtybomb) products. Perhaps
> the My First Cd might work...time to let ebay do the walking.
Sony makes such a line of products.
My father was legendary for his abilty to break things. His 'thumbs of death'
would rival anything a toddler could do to devices. After countless numbers of
Walkman devices having their lids broken or buttons pressed into oblivion I
found the Sony devices. I got him a "My First Sony" (be afraid of the
marketing) CD player. It was /fire engine red/ but was completely
indestructible. I hacked a headphone jack into it and gave it to him. He
complained of it's looks but used it nonetheless. I also gave him a pack of
headphones as there's no such things indestuctible headphones that aren't
obscenely bulky.
Now that we're riding up the curve of an ever increasing geezer population, how
soon before device makers get wise? Not to be morbid, but would the marketing
be "My Last Sony"? <ducks and runs>
-Bill Kearney
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Re: Ouch...
Eirikur said:
> This incident is an interesting microcosm of how society and law develop.
> The women of this town are attempting to regulate competition. The social
> standards mechanisms (I expect that shame has already been tried) have
> failed, so legal is next.
The point could also be to hassle the sunbather for reasons not given in
the story. The sunbather has probably pissed off the complainers in other
ways, too.
Law and society are wholeheartedly trivial. Big fuzzy concepts like
"sluts vs. moms" are convenient vehicles for petty disputes as often as
not.
- Lucas
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RE: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Karl
> Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:50 AM
> To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
> Cc: 'fork@spamassassin.taint.org'
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies
>
>
> bitbitch@magnesium.net writes:
>
> > SL> <snip>
> > SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good
> programmer, etc.
> > SL> </snip>
> > <snip>
> > SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey,
> jobs are hard to
> > SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking
> for a few good
> > </snip>
> >
> > I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of
> > excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :)
>
> http://www.netli.com/careers/index.htm
>
> >* Along with your resume, please answer this question: What does
> this C statement do? #define XY(s, m) (&((s *)0)->m)
>
> Besides provide job security?
This is more useful...
#define CONTAINING_RECORD(address, type, field) ((type *)( \
(PCHAR)(address) - \
(PCHAR)(&((type
*)0)->field)))
Bill
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy
cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I
close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be
here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,
and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
stumbles around in the dark.
Cindy
P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-
P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab
driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another
computer job. Le Sigh. (:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Hello Adam,
>
> Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
>
> Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
> so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
>
> ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other then
> ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and
> ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
>
> Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
> forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
> and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
> know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> now.
>
> If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
> situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
> marriage.
>
> Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
> blame law school and my cat.
>
> -BB
>
> ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> ALB> beberg@mithral.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
It's a fair trade, IMO. Same for some mid-east bloke who's dying to marry
American so he can start his own business. But BB is right. When the
thrill is gone, she should take his shit. LOL
CindyDrinking
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
>
> > Again, these situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the
> > relationship is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a
> > prostitute he doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't
> > impoverished and teeming with AIDS.
>
> You assume that they just match people up and marry them off, and neither is
> attracted to the other, which is not the case. Even this has arranged
> marrage beat by a long way.
>
> Males gets: A wife for a while, and if they actually like each other, for a
> long time.
> Female gets: Into Britan, out of a country with no real rights for women, no
> opportunities for her or her children, out of the polution, AIDS, and an
> uncountable number of scary tropical diseases. Not to mention in most cases
> living conditions that us spoiled Americans cannot even comprehend.
>
> Yea, the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here.
>
> You're so easy to taunt :)
>
> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> beberg@mithral.com
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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EFnet #fork
Someone has taken it. Mostly newtel users. I think we can take the.
C
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re: Ouch... [Bebergflame]
Adam Beberg writes:
> Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
As the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text,
this politician is a woman.
> next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
ob: no-clue-full-stop, as in nearly all Adam Beberg posts.
--
<kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. The world has lost a great
man. See http://advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=252 and
http://www.kode-fu.com/geek/2002_08_04_archive.shtml for details.
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Again, these situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the
> relationship is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a
> prostitute he doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't
> impoverished and teeming with AIDS.
You assume that they just match people up and marry them off, and neither is
attracted to the other, which is not the case. Even this has arranged
marrage beat by a long way.
Males gets: A wife for a while, and if they actually like each other, for a
long time.
Female gets: Into Britan, out of a country with no real rights for women, no
opportunities for her or her children, out of the polution, AIDS, and an
uncountable number of scary tropical diseases. Not to mention in most cases
living conditions that us spoiled Americans cannot even comprehend.
Yea, the women is definately getting tha bad end of the deal here.
You're so easy to taunt :)
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!)
Adam Beberg writes:
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote:
> > Unix acquired nonblocking I/O in the form of select() about 23 years
> > ago, and Solaris has had the particular aio_* calls we are discussing
> > for many years.
>
> select() "scaling" is a joke at best, and I know you know that. poll() is
> only a bit better.
Not only do I know that, the post to which you were responding
explained that, with somewhat more detail than "a joke". As you
should know, but evidently don't, poll() isn't even "a bit better" ---
in fact, it's about an order of magnitude worse --- for dense file
descriptor sets, which is the normal case. (Except on operating
systems where select() isn't a system call but a library routine that
calls poll().)
> > Very few applications need the aio_* calls --- essentially only
> > high-performance RDBMS servers even benefit from them at all, and
> > most of those have been faking it fine for a while with multiple
> > threads or processes. This just provides a modicum of extra
> > performance.
>
> Wrong, it makes a huge difference in even what I consider small programs.
Why don't you explain this in more detail?
> > Although I don't have a copy of the spec handy, I think the aio_* APIs
> > come from the POSIX spec IEEE Std 1003.1-1990, section 6.7.9, which is
> > 13 years old, and which I think documented then-current practice.
> > They might be even older than that.
>
> Yes, SGI has a patch to the linux kernel to implement the aio_ interfaces,
> but it's still not built in, who knows when it will be. The point is it's
> not portable in either case.
You originally said:
Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally
catches up to Windows and has I/O that doesnt [sic] totally suck for
nontrivial apps? No way!
The point --- my point, the point I was discussing; please don't try
to tell me you were trying to make a different point, because I don't
care --- is that you had no clue what you were talking about; Unix
hasn't been without this feature, and in fact has had it since you
were in elementary school, and operating systems without it don't
"totally suck for nontrivial apps".
For what it's worth, glibc has actually implemented the aio_* calls
for a while, just in a way that doesn't scale to large numbers of
concurrent I/O requests. I find references to the glibc
implementation as far back as 1999 and glibc 2.1.1, and I could
probably find much earlier references if I had time:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/1999-12/msg00070.html
(more details at
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/io-events.html;
details on the SGI patch are at
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/kaio/faq.html)
> > Unix has been multiprocess since 1969, and most Unix implementations
> > have supported multithreading for a decade or more.
>
> And most UNIX is still kinda-sorta supporting the pthreads (POSIX)
> interface, each in their own 7/8 implementation. You're safe if you
> stick to the basics.
Your original complaint was that Unix didn't do multithreading or
multiprogramming well. Now that I've pointed out how obviously
idiotic that claim is, you've amended your complaint: now, although
individual Unixes do these things well, you complain that their
implementations are not entirely conformant with the POSIX threads
specification. Well, that's probably true, but I haven't written
pthreads programs in C much myself, so I can't confirm it from my own
experience. But, even if it's true, it's not a very good reason to
prefer Windows.
I'm sure you can provide examples of bugs in particular threading
implementations. Spare us. Just shut up.
--
<kragen@pobox.com> Kragen Sitaker <http://www.pobox.com/~kragen/>
Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. The world has lost a great
man. See http://advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=252 and
http://www.kode-fu.com/geek/2002_08_04_archive.shtml for details.
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Yet another case where 'marriage' is actually an inappropriate word
> for these guys. What they want is 'housekeeper' 'dog' and
> 'prostitute'.
So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other then
that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and
her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
"de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Hello Adam,
Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other then
ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both she and
ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
now.
If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
marriage.
Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
blame law school and my cat.
-BB
ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
ALB> beberg@mithral.com
--
Best regards,
bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Ah yes..
Yet another case where 'marriage' is actually an inappropriate word
for these guys. What they want is 'housekeeper' 'dog' and
'prostitute'.
All I can say, is I hope these girls come out, take the men for what
they have, be glorified housekeepers for as short a term as possible,
and enjoy the free travel.
Love my arse.
-BB
ALB> ...an alternative to the "kind of de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered,
ALB> mercenary-minded lady available on the British singles scene,"
ALB> Glad to see American culture is making it's way into the British bars too :)
ALB> God bless us uncivilized bastards, every one.
ALB> Still, definately something not right about the below. People are now
ALB> cheaper then a decent laptop? (ok, so we knew that already)
ALB> -------------
ALB> Selling Wedded Bliss Big Business in Thailand
ALB> Thu Aug 29,10:19 AM ET
ALB> By Andrew Marshall
ALB> BANGKOK, Thailand (Reuters) - English dentist Ken Moylan came to Thailand
ALB> looking for a wife. It took two hours to find her.
ALB> "The first day I went out with Wan, she came back to my hotel and hung all
ALB> my clothes up and tidied the room. I thought it was marvelous," he said. "I
ALB> knew then there was something special."
ALB> Moylan, 49, is one of thousands of men who use introduction agencies to meet
ALB> -- and marry -- Thai women. He lives in England now with 28-year-old Wan,
ALB> who is expecting their first child.
ALB> Critics of marriage agencies say they exploit the grinding poverty of women
ALB> in developing countries, offering dreams of a new life in the West that
ALB> often turn sour. But Moylan says he has no regrets about coming to Thailand
ALB> in search of a wife.
ALB> "I got to Thailand at 2 p.m., and by 4 p.m. I'd met Wan," he said. "I knew I
ALB> found her attractive. I could tell straight away that she was very caring."
ALB> Moylan spent a week in Thailand, and after returning to England kept in
ALB> touch with Wan by phone and mail. Six months later she came to England and
ALB> the couple married.
ALB> MR. MARRIAGE
ALB> Lawrence Lynch, 49, runs Thai Professional Introduction Services, the agency
ALB> Moylan used to meet his wife. Lynch, who calls himself "Mr. Marriage,"
ALB> started the company after also marrying a Thai woman through an introduction
ALB> agency.
ALB> Since then he has helped set up hundreds of marriages.
ALB> "In the last five years we've done about 400," he said. "To the best of my
ALB> knowledge, they have all been successful."
ALB> Male clients pay $2,213 for the service, although men from countries that
ALB> require them to handle some of the visa work on their own get a discount.
ALB> Clients then get to view catalogs and videos of hundreds of Thai women
ALB> looking for a husband. If they like what they see they come to Bangkok.
ALB> Clients are introduced to several women in chaperoned meetings in Lynch's
ALB> office -- encounters that can often be awkward given mutual shyness and
ALB> language problems.
ALB> "We find that the gentlemen are usually just as nervous as the ladies,"
ALB> Lynch said. "But once they start meeting the ladies they soon relax."
ALB> After the first meeting, couples can decide to go on dates to get to know
ALB> each other better. Within two weeks of arrival, Lynch says, almost every
ALB> client has found a potential wife.
ALB> "At the end of a fortnight it's very, very rare for a guy to go back and
ALB> think he hasn't made his mind up," he said. In most cases, marriage follows,
ALB> usually within the next year.
ALB> Roongthip Kamchat, managing director of Thai No. 1 Connections, a
ALB> Bangkok-based agency, says she has introduced about 1,000 couples, and less
ALB> than 10 percent have broken up.
ALB> Roongthip says she sometimes has a difficult time calming men who have just
ALB> arrived in Bangkok looking for a wife.
ALB> "Sometimes they are very nervous," she said. "And sometimes they are very
ALB> impatient and say 'Give me a lady, I want to get married now.' I say: 'Calm
ALB> down, OK, we'll talk."'
ALB> But if men are really in a hurry, Roongthip says, she can find them a wife
ALB> and get them married within a week. Lynch says clients he has found wives
ALB> for include a blind man, a man with one leg and a man with post-traumatic
ALB> stress disorder.
ALB> WHY?
ALB> Similar marriage agencies can be found in many developing countries. Critics
ALB> say they thrive on the neediness of lonely Western men who are unable to
ALB> form relationships in their own country, and on the desperation of
ALB> impoverished women who believe they can find a better life in the West.
ALB> But Moylan says that if the arrangement makes both partners happy, there is
ALB> no reason to object. "If you talk about people who are needy, I think
ALB> everybody wants someone to love them, and wants someone to love, so yes, I
ALB> need Wan," he said.
ALB> "Thai women are dissatisfied with life in Thailand. I think there's no
ALB> secret there. They are looking for a better life. I don't have a problem
ALB> with that. In return they are willing to give a lot of love and care to
ALB> their future husband."
ALB> Lynch says men are dissatisfied with Western women too, and that is why they
ALB> choose to use his agency.
ALB> His brochure promises an alternative to the "kind of de-feminized,
ALB> over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded lady available on the British
ALB> singles scene," and says he can make dreams come true even for men who are
ALB> not "God's gift to women."
ALB> Roongthip said many Western men found it difficult to meet women in their
ALB> own countries -- and found Thai women attractive.
ALB> "They don't know how to meet women. Even if they go to pubs or discotheques
ALB> or restaurants or department stores, how can they ask people to marry them?
ALB> Impossible," she said.
ALB> "Many Thai girls are slim, have long hair, black eyes, small nose. They are
ALB> good at taking care and joking and laughing, not strict. Different from
ALB> ladies from other countries."
ALB> Although many couples married through agencies have a considerable age gap,
ALB> the agencies say this is not a problem. They say language problems are also
ALB> not a major obstacle.
ALB> "Thai ladies are not ageist, and they have no qualms whatsoever about having
ALB> a husband who is significantly older," Lynch said. "When I met my wife she
ALB> couldn't speak a word of English. We muddled along with a phonetic
ALB> dictionary. The ladies are very keen to learn English and they pick it up
ALB> very quickly."
ALB> Many agencies also offer tuition for woman on what to expect when they move
ALB> to the West.
ALB> "We have kitchens, we have study classes," Roongthip said. "We teach them
ALB> how to eat, and when to make tea."
ALB> PITFALLS
ALB> But not all dreams come true. "Bee" is a 26-year-old Thai woman who went to
ALB> Switzerland two years ago with a man she met through an agency. Now she is
ALB> back in Bangkok, sad and angry.
ALB> "He had no friends, and I was so lonely," she said. "I tried to make him
ALB> happy but he just wanted sex and somebody to keep his house clean. He never
ALB> spoke to me."
ALB> Bee came back to Bangkok earlier this year. "I thought I would be happy
ALB> there," she said. "But it was the worst time of my life."
ALB> Lynch says that while some agencies are badly run, he makes checks to ensure
ALB> unsuitable candidates are weeded out.
ALB> "We are ethical and professional," he said. "We will not take on all
ALB> comers."
ALB> Moylan says that despite possible pitfalls, his own marriage is proof the
ALB> arrangement can work. Wan's sister has just signed up with Lynch's company,
ALB> looking for a foreign husband.
ALB> "Perhaps there are cases of women being exploited. I'm sure there are,"
ALB> Moylan said. "But in the majority of cases the women get a good deal."
--
Best regards,
bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net
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Re: Electric car an Edsel...
Ouch.... hooooo....
Cheers,
RAH
--- begin forwarded text
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:17:13 -0700
From: Same Guy
Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel...
To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
Bob,
This guy's an idiot.
I design loads for systems with the 50 kV capacitors. One of those has 864
of such capacitors and stores only 10 megajoules, which means 11 kilojoules
each. They weigh 125 kg.
You need high energy per unit mass, and the capacitive system I picked
maximizes that.
It is precisely the system that Maxwell is touting for electrical braking
and power augmentation for regenerative use in automobiles. You also need
voltage you can use in a DC motor, which is why though the actual
capacitors in the system are charged to 2.5 volts, the system has them
arranged in series to boost the voltage.
Ignore him. He's a waste of my time.
<Somebody's .sig>
------------------------
From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel...
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:31:39 -0400
To: Some people...
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>
To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
cc: <fork@spamassassin.taint.org>
Subject: Re: Electric car an Edsel...
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> Maxwell (www.maxwell.com) makes and sells high energy density capacitors,
> called ultracapacitors. They deliver them in an air-cooled, voltage
> regulated module that will charge to 42 V and hold 128 kilojoules -- roughly
> the energy in 2 teaspoons of sugar or a bite of a donut -- and weighs 16
> kilograms. If that electrical energy could all be converted to kinetic
> energy, there's enough to get the capacitor module up to about 200 mph -- in
> a vacuum.
Since the energy you can pack into a capacitor is something like
1/2*C*(V^2), you want to design your system with the lowest voltage possible
to fully exploit that V^2 ;) So yea, a 42V system will only be useful for
accelerating insects, not cars. That must be why 40kV is standard not 42.
(the joke of putting 42 into goggle to find that model was not missed BTW)
Most production systems use a mix of batteries and capacitors, as very few
real world applications run for less then 10 seconds like the car we were
talking about originally. Even 10 seconds is pushing the "capactior is the
wrong choice" limits. Thats why the landspeed record model is a battery one,
it's got to run for a much longer period of time and needs a steady
discharge curve.
But it should be safe to say that most people want the Indy 500 version, not
the 1/4 mile sprint version when they are looking for a vehice :) For those
you dont want a battery or a capacitor, you want to take advantage of whole
atoms, not just electrons. Then you can suck off the electrons you need with
a fuel cell. However, you will use both capacitors for the braking/accel,
and batteries to not just dump excess energy in the design.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
...an alternative to the "kind of de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered,
mercenary-minded lady available on the British singles scene,"
Glad to see American culture is making it's way into the British bars too :)
God bless us uncivilized bastards, every one.
Still, definately something not right about the below. People are now
cheaper then a decent laptop? (ok, so we knew that already)
-------------
Selling Wedded Bliss Big Business in Thailand
Thu Aug 29,10:19 AM ET
By Andrew Marshall
BANGKOK, Thailand (Reuters) - English dentist Ken Moylan came to Thailand
looking for a wife. It took two hours to find her.
"The first day I went out with Wan, she came back to my hotel and hung all
my clothes up and tidied the room. I thought it was marvelous," he said. "I
knew then there was something special."
Moylan, 49, is one of thousands of men who use introduction agencies to meet
-- and marry -- Thai women. He lives in England now with 28-year-old Wan,
who is expecting their first child.
Critics of marriage agencies say they exploit the grinding poverty of women
in developing countries, offering dreams of a new life in the West that
often turn sour. But Moylan says he has no regrets about coming to Thailand
in search of a wife.
"I got to Thailand at 2 p.m., and by 4 p.m. I'd met Wan," he said. "I knew I
found her attractive. I could tell straight away that she was very caring."
Moylan spent a week in Thailand, and after returning to England kept in
touch with Wan by phone and mail. Six months later she came to England and
the couple married.
MR. MARRIAGE
Lawrence Lynch, 49, runs Thai Professional Introduction Services, the agency
Moylan used to meet his wife. Lynch, who calls himself "Mr. Marriage,"
started the company after also marrying a Thai woman through an introduction
agency.
Since then he has helped set up hundreds of marriages.
"In the last five years we've done about 400," he said. "To the best of my
knowledge, they have all been successful."
Male clients pay $2,213 for the service, although men from countries that
require them to handle some of the visa work on their own get a discount.
Clients then get to view catalogs and videos of hundreds of Thai women
looking for a husband. If they like what they see they come to Bangkok.
Clients are introduced to several women in chaperoned meetings in Lynch's
office -- encounters that can often be awkward given mutual shyness and
language problems.
"We find that the gentlemen are usually just as nervous as the ladies,"
Lynch said. "But once they start meeting the ladies they soon relax."
After the first meeting, couples can decide to go on dates to get to know
each other better. Within two weeks of arrival, Lynch says, almost every
client has found a potential wife.
"At the end of a fortnight it's very, very rare for a guy to go back and
think he hasn't made his mind up," he said. In most cases, marriage follows,
usually within the next year.
Roongthip Kamchat, managing director of Thai No. 1 Connections, a
Bangkok-based agency, says she has introduced about 1,000 couples, and less
than 10 percent have broken up.
Roongthip says she sometimes has a difficult time calming men who have just
arrived in Bangkok looking for a wife.
"Sometimes they are very nervous," she said. "And sometimes they are very
impatient and say 'Give me a lady, I want to get married now.' I say: 'Calm
down, OK, we'll talk."'
But if men are really in a hurry, Roongthip says, she can find them a wife
and get them married within a week. Lynch says clients he has found wives
for include a blind man, a man with one leg and a man with post-traumatic
stress disorder.
WHY?
Similar marriage agencies can be found in many developing countries. Critics
say they thrive on the neediness of lonely Western men who are unable to
form relationships in their own country, and on the desperation of
impoverished women who believe they can find a better life in the West.
But Moylan says that if the arrangement makes both partners happy, there is
no reason to object. "If you talk about people who are needy, I think
everybody wants someone to love them, and wants someone to love, so yes, I
need Wan," he said.
"Thai women are dissatisfied with life in Thailand. I think there's no
secret there. They are looking for a better life. I don't have a problem
with that. In return they are willing to give a lot of love and care to
their future husband."
Lynch says men are dissatisfied with Western women too, and that is why they
choose to use his agency.
His brochure promises an alternative to the "kind of de-feminized,
over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded lady available on the British
singles scene," and says he can make dreams come true even for men who are
not "God's gift to women."
Roongthip said many Western men found it difficult to meet women in their
own countries -- and found Thai women attractive.
"They don't know how to meet women. Even if they go to pubs or discotheques
or restaurants or department stores, how can they ask people to marry them?
Impossible," she said.
"Many Thai girls are slim, have long hair, black eyes, small nose. They are
good at taking care and joking and laughing, not strict. Different from
ladies from other countries."
Although many couples married through agencies have a considerable age gap,
the agencies say this is not a problem. They say language problems are also
not a major obstacle.
"Thai ladies are not ageist, and they have no qualms whatsoever about having
a husband who is significantly older," Lynch said. "When I met my wife she
couldn't speak a word of English. We muddled along with a phonetic
dictionary. The ladies are very keen to learn English and they pick it up
very quickly."
Many agencies also offer tuition for woman on what to expect when they move
to the West.
"We have kitchens, we have study classes," Roongthip said. "We teach them
how to eat, and when to make tea."
PITFALLS
But not all dreams come true. "Bee" is a 26-year-old Thai woman who went to
Switzerland two years ago with a man she met through an agency. Now she is
back in Bangkok, sad and angry.
"He had no friends, and I was so lonely," she said. "I tried to make him
happy but he just wanted sex and somebody to keep his house clean. He never
spoke to me."
Bee came back to Bangkok earlier this year. "I thought I would be happy
there," she said. "But it was the worst time of my life."
Lynch says that while some agencies are badly run, he makes checks to ensure
unsuitable candidates are weeded out.
"We are ethical and professional," he said. "We will not take on all
comers."
Moylan says that despite possible pitfalls, his own marriage is proof the
arrangement can work. Wan's sister has just signed up with Lynch's company,
looking for a foreign husband.
"Perhaps there are cases of women being exploited. I'm sure there are,"
Moylan said. "But in the majority of cases the women get a good deal."
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce.
What is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in.
I don't have statistics on the love half life, but it seems long-term
relationships use something else for glue.
Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have
resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented,
dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our
demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places
with mostly silly and antiquated ideas).
At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
something wrong.
Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way.
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RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??
i agree with rob. i think if the phones (and mms is building traction in europe in handsets), this might be interesting. bottom line is will it a) help sell phones and b) bill enough time on the wcarriers networks?
anyone remember the polariod photo sticker fad? low quality, small in size. but kids totally dug that stuff. seems like every adolescent girl had that stuff at one point. and it never replaced or aimed to replace digital cameras or normal photographs. i don't think mms photos will be a substitute for other photography - developed at the local 1 hour joint or digital photos on your pc. i think it expands the market and forms a new category. the extent of the category size is the big question (will it be a fad or will it a sustained market). that's consumer behavior and marketing. but i don't think the technology adoption will follow a substitution of another product on the market (in this case, digital photos or normal photos). europe's the one to watch - more teenagers have wireless phones and if the pricing and marketing is right, they'll figure out what to do with it once the carriers how to figure out how to market it to them.
-h
>From: "Rob Shavell" <rob@mobiusvc.com>
>To: "'Mike Masnick'" <mike@techdirt.com>
>Cc: <fork@spamassassin.taint.org>
>Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:10:50 -0700
>
>right Mike,
>
>i will agree to disagree but i take your comments to heart. my opinion is
>only that this is one of the last frontiers of communications ('instant
>show') that we cross easily (though you are right as rain on pricing). i am
>mildly amused at the level of skepticism and innatention it is getting.
>
>my premise is that the world will change in dramatic and unexpected ways
>once there are a billion 'eye's' which can instantly share what they see
>amongst each other. that doesn't mean that people will stop talking on
>their phones, or that people will spend more time w/images than voice. just
>that it is fundamental. from news to crime to privacy to dating to family
>life to bloopers and practical jokes, i believe there will be an explosion
>of images unleashed specifically by cell phone integrated lenses because of
>their utter ubiquity that dwarfs all pictures taken in the history of
>photography by orders of magnitude and in short order. and yes, changes
>things 'big time'.
>
>rgds,
>rob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Masnick [mailto:mike@techdirt.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:58 PM
>To: Rob Shavell
>Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
>Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??
>
>
>Not to keep harping on this, but...
>
>At 11:36 PM 8/20/02 -0700, Rob Shavell wrote:
>
>>content: who cares about content? that no one can think of 'useful'
>content
>>is always the business persons mistake. the content is the users
>>communications. its anything and everything. avg person could easily send
>>half dozen pics to a dozen people a day. mainly humorous i'd guess. who
>>cares if content is trivial in nature. picture speaks a thousand words.
>
>This does nothing to answer my question. I *do* care about content. Hell,
>if I could be convinced that people would send stupid pics back and forth
>all day, I'd have a different opinion of this. I just am not convinced
>that they will (stupid or not).
>
>While a picture may be worth a thousand words (and this is the same
>argument the guy who works for me made), how many people do you know who
>communicate by pictures? Sure, it sounds nice to say that a picture is
>such an efficient messaging mechanism, but how often do you actually find
>yourself drawing someone a picture to explain something?
>
>I don't buy it.
>
>For most messages, text works fine and is the most efficient
>mechanism. For some messages, pictures do the job, but I would say not
>nearly as often as words. Why do you think Pictionary and Charades and
>such are games? Because images are usually not the most efficient way to
>get a message across.
>
>>misc ramblings: i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same
>>thing about '1 hour photo' processing. trivial, who needs it, i get better
>>resultion elswhere. and yet, it had great decentralizing impact - the
>plant
>>had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation - the digital
>camera,
>>and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of
>>decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion (which will put the
>>photo giants to bed) and change the world in a meaningful way. also, SMS
>>didn't take off because its easy, it took off because it costs less. its
>>greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the 'profitabilty' of their SMS
>>traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth. in reality,
>>SMS cannibilizes the voice rev's they bought their networks to handle.
>
>Again, this is the same argument my colleague made (along with "you just
>don't understand kids today, and they'll run with this"). I wasn't saying
>that MMS wouldn't take off because it wasn't high quality or that it wasn't
>easy. I was saying that I couldn't see why people would use it in a way
>that "changed the face of communications".
>
>I'm looking for the compelling reason (even if it's a stupid one) why
>people would want to do this. Sure, if they integrate cameras into the
>phone, and the quality improves (even only marginally) I can certainly see
>people taking pictures with their cameras and occasionally sending them to
>other people. But, mostly, I don't see what the benefit is to this over
>sending them to someone's email address, or putting together an online (or
>offline) photoalbum.
>
>I don't think 1 hour photos are trivial. People want to see their own pics
>right away, and the quality is plenty good enough for snapshots. That's
>one of the main reasons why digital cameras are catching on. The instant
>view part. I'm guessing your argument is that people not only want
>"instant view", but also "instant show". Which is what this service
>offers. I'm not convinced that most people want "instant show". I think
>people like to package their pictures and show them. That's why people put
>together fancy albums, and sit there and force you to go through them while
>they explain every picture. Sure, occasionally "instant show" is nice, but
>it's just "nice" on occasion. I still can't see how it becomes a integral
>messaging method.
>
>What's the specific benefit of taking a picture and immediately sending it
>from one phone to another? There has to be *some* benefit, even if it's
>silly if people are going to flock to it.
>
>I'm searching... no one has given me a straight answer yet.
>
>The *only* really intriguing idea I've heard about things like MMS lately
>are Dan Gillmor's assertion that one day in the near future some news event
>will happen, and a bunch of people will snap pictures with their mobile
>phones, from all different angles, and those photos tell the real story of
>what happened - before the press even gets there.
>
>Willing to be proven wrong,
>Mike
>
>PS If the wireless carriers continue to price these services as stupidly as
>they currently are, then MMS is *never* going to catch on.
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Re: Ouch...
LOL! They're not doomed at all. Thousands of men wear cb2000s to work
every day (along with other chastity devices). They are not just
decorations. You will not get a woody or have an orgasm until your
keyholder allows you to. Anyhow, I know better than to have this
type of conversation with a 'nilla, but these men wear these happily, and
consensually. (: There is little power struggle in the lifestyles of the
people who use these. There is power exchange instead. Lots of
variations on the definition, but this one's from Gloria Brame's site:
Power exchange: the consensual transfer of power by the submissive to the
dominant. The exchange takes place when the returned energy from the
dominant empowers the submissive.
Anyhow, there are tons of informative sites out there for anyone who cares
to read them, but I assure you, the chastity device business is doing very
well, and it is illegal to force someone to wear one. It's not coercion,
it is creative sensuality. (:
Cindy
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Eirikur Hallgrimsson wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 September 2002 10:59 pm, CDale wrote:
> > Someone needs to tell the mayor about this:
> > http://www.cb-2000.com/
>
> "Chastity" technologies were doomed from the start, and I'll add chemical
> ones to the trash heap. (Yeah, Cindy, these are decorative toys for the
> subculture, but....)
>
> Generally,someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this
> nonsense, when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where
> preserving it is of little value. Hardware is of no real use save for
> playing the power-struggle game. I don't want to see the future of this.
> "Invisible Fence" for your mate. "Must wear" location transponders and
> endocrine monitors. More movies like "Minority Report."
>
> It seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions. So
> surprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense
> of overwhelming force advantage.
>
> Eirikur
>
>
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re: Ouch...
On Wednesday 04 September 2002 10:59 pm, CDale wrote:
> Someone needs to tell the mayor about this:
> http://www.cb-2000.com/
"Chastity" technologies were doomed from the start, and I'll add chemical
ones to the trash heap. (Yeah, Cindy, these are decorative toys for the
subculture, but....)
Generally,someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this
nonsense, when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where
preserving it is of little value. Hardware is of no real use save for
playing the power-struggle game. I don't want to see the future of this.
"Invisible Fence" for your mate. "Must wear" location transponders and
endocrine monitors. More movies like "Minority Report."
It seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions. So
surprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense
of overwhelming force advantage.
Eirikur
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
>
> > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce.
>
> What is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in.
It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (:
> I don't have statistics on the love half life, but it seems long-term
> relationships use something else for glue.
>
> Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have
> resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented,
> dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our
> demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places
> with mostly silly and antiquated ideas).
Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have
resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical instrumnet,
and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs. Dash on them? (:
Or cayenne. Or ginger. (mm ask me about ginger root play).
And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be
single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is dysfunctional
or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church has tried to make
it look like there is a disintegration, when in fact, there is a coming
together of other family members and friends to raise children. It's not
decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong with change.
> At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
> counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
> something wrong.
>
> Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way.
>
Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth.
C
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates
This is preaty neat.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates
Thu Sep 5,10:09 AM ET
BERLIN (Reuters) - Diners at Berlin's newest restaurant cannot see what they
are eating and have to be guided to their table by blind waiters because the
bar is pitch black.
The restaurant, which opened Wednesday, aims to make guests concentrate on
senses other than sight.
Holding on to one another, the first visitors followed waiter Roland
Zimmermann, 33, into the dining room. Although the PhD student has been
blind since childhood, he is the only one able to point out chairs, cutlery
and drinks.
"I'm putting your plate right in front of you," Zimmermann said. "I can't
find my mouth," one voice replied out of the dark. "I wonder what this dish
is -- Lasagne? Or some casserole?" another invisible guest said.
In the "unsicht-Bar," which means invisible in German, diners cannot choose
complete dishes from the menu but can only indicate whether they would like
a fish, meat or vegetarian option.
"We want people to have an extraordinary experience of tasting, feeling and
smelling," said Manfred Scharbach, head of the organization for blind and
sight-restricted people, which is running the bar.
"People are surprised that their tongues and taste senses are taking over
and are sending signals, which their eyes would normally have sent," he
added.
Of the 30 staff, 22 are blind.
An average meal lasts about three hours and the waiters are always around to
help, Scharnbach said.
And at the end of the night, they will even reveal what customers have
actually been eating.
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Re: Ouch... [Bebergflame]
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Kragen Sitaker wrote:
> Adam Beberg writes:
> > Shouldn't a politician know not to tell the truth? Odds he's impeached by
>
> As the article you forwarded explained in the second line of text,
> this politician is a woman.
>
> > next Monday? [ob: no-clue-how-they-remove-mayors-in-italy]
>
> ob: no-clue-full-stop, as in nearly all Adam Beberg posts.
posts, or pouts?
in rare webster form,
C
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, CDale wrote:
> It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (:
DNA's idea of fads is on the 100 kiloyear scale, unfortunately. As long as
current fads don't involve in-vivo rewrite of the genome, homeoboxes
including (now there's a problem for you, homeoboxing the adult), they're
not all that smart an idear.
> Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have
> resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical
> instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs.
Art is sure nice. However, if art is our first priority we're kinda
fux0red, if we've set our sight on a sustainable culture.
> Dash on them? (: Or cayenne. Or ginger. (mm ask me about ginger
> root play).
>
> And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be
> single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is
> dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church
Our firmware is not built to be single-parented. You can counteract that
somewhat by exposing the kid to a community of close friends, but not too
many do that.
> has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in
> fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends
> to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong
> with change.
I don't know what exactly is wrong, but something is definitely wrong.
This is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is
right and what is wrong.
> > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
> > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
> > something wrong.
> >
> > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way.
> >
>
> Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth.
m-w?
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Re: sprint delivers the next big thing??
these are being advertised all over the UK/ Chief come-on seems to be to the
same people who use phones for text messaging--i.e. teenagers. "Hi, we're at
the beach and I met this awesome guy--here's his pic"
Tom
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Eugen Leitl:
>Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have
>resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented,
>dysfunctional kids ..
Don't swallow too quickly what you have read about
more traditional cultures, today or in the past. Do
we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from
centuries past? Are you so sure that the kids in 18th
century England were any more "functional" than those
today? What about 20th century Saudi Arabia?
>At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
>counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
>something wrong.
Granting your first two points, I'm skeptical about
the last. Do you see ANY signs that America specifically
or the west generally are suffering from lack of
innovation, vis-a-vis youth nations such as Iran? The
last I read, the third generation of the revolution all
(a) want to move to America, and (b) failing that, are
importing everything they can American.
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
> Don't swallow too quickly what you have read about
> more traditional cultures, today or in the past. Do
I don't swallow ;>
I was just offering anecdotal first-hand experiences from a number of
cultures indicating 1) we apparently have a problem 2) which requires more
than ad hoc hand-waving approach (it's trivial! it's obvious! all we have
to do is XY!).
> we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from
> centuries past? Are you so sure that the kids in 18th
That's easy. Divorce didn't happen. The church and the society looked
after that. Only relatively recently that privilege was granted to kings,
and only very recently to commoners.
> century England were any more "functional" than those
> today? What about 20th century Saudi Arabia?
Is Saudi Arabia a meaningful emigration source?
> >At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
> >counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
> >something wrong.
>
> Granting your first two points, I'm skeptical about
> the last. Do you see ANY signs that America specifically
I wasn't talking about the US specifically. (Though the demographics
problem exists there as well, albeit not in that extent we Eurotrash are
facing right now).
> or the west generally are suffering from lack of
> innovation, vis-a-vis youth nations such as Iran? The
1) I'm seeing lack of innovation, and -- more disturbing -- trend towards
even less innovation by an autocatalytic process (gerontocracy favors
gerontocracy).
> last I read, the third generation of the revolution all
> (a) want to move to America, and (b) failing that, are
> importing everything they can American.
My point was that the west, US first and foremost, importing innovation
carriers and working against bad trend in the demographics by large scale
import. While this kinda, sorta works on the short run, this is not
something sustainable.
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SoE at UCSC looking for an experienced IT support person
Hi all,
We're looking for an experienced IT support person in the School of
Engineering at UC Santa Cruz -- please foward to anyone who you think might
be interested.
- Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perrone [mailto:mperrone@cs.ucsc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:31 PM
To: techstaff@cse.ucsc.edu
Subject: Recruiting for PAIII-IV Supervisor
Dear SoE Community,
Forgive the spam, but I wanted to make sure that everyone is aware that
we are recruiting to replace the position vacated by Gary Moro.
This is a technical position with supervisor responsibilities. The focus is
on Solaris and Linux systems administration with Veritas and Irix experience
a plus.
The posting is here:
http://www2.ucsc.edu/staff_hr/employment/listings/020809.htm
Regards,
Michael Perrone
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Related anecdote:
I was eating in a restaurant in chinatown in Boston. The place was empty.
The only other customer was a white guy reading an asian-language
newspaper. The guy asked the waiter for help translating a word.
Eventually his story came out.
He had married an asian woman through one of these introduction services.
after about a year of marriage she had charged him with assault and left
him, leaving no contact information. He was hanging around in Chinatown,
asking random asians for help finding her.
I obviously don't know if he did assault her, but what struck me was that
the possibility of mutual exploitation is high.
Anecdote number two:
In college I had a job as a street vendor. There was a guy I worked with
who was a lifer in the job. He was a noticably messed up guy. Among
other odd characteristics he fawned on women customers, doing stuff like
offering them flowers.
I asked him about it. He said that he'd never had sex with a woman who
wasn't a prostitute, and his dream was to save up enough money to get a
mail order bride.
I was really moved. The guy was a loon, but he wanted a companion as much
as anyone else and he was realistic about his chances.
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The Needle and the damage done
>>From the Hoax or Hack Dept:
Digital Needle - A Virtual Gramophone , a reported method to scan yourr
old LPs on a flat bed scanner and then use the resulting images to make
MP3's of the fine playing conatined therein. Its all still sketchy to the
point of possible hoaxdom, but the idea is dang interesting.
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Turpin:
>>Do we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from centuries past?
Eugen Leitl:
>That's easy. Divorce didn't happen.
You seem not to know what a "poor man's divorce" is.
It is an old term, from the time when divorce was
difficult, but walking was easy, and identity was
not so locked down as it is today. Not every widow
had a dead husband.
>I'm seeing lack of innovation ..
That doesn't tell us anything except what is
happening in Eugen Leitl's life. The more common
observation is that the rate of change is increasing.
Do you have any data that might persuade us that what
you see is more telling than what others see?
>gerontocracy favors gerontocracy.
I would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech
research and plenty of young workers to pay taxes.
Note that the fertility rate doesn't result from
decisions made by the old, but by the young. If we
want more kids, we have to convince people who are
in their twenties to become parents.
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
> You seem not to know what a "poor man's divorce" is.
I know very little in general. I hope you can excuse me for that.
> It is an old term, from the time when divorce was
> difficult, but walking was easy, and identity was
> not so locked down as it is today. Not every widow
> had a dead husband.
Yeah, you could always run away, strangle your wife, your wife could
always poison you, scooby dooby doo. It wasn't the rule, and I don't feel
like desintegrating into a nitpicking orgy. You win.
> >I'm seeing lack of innovation ..
>
> That doesn't tell us anything except what is
> happening in Eugen Leitl's life. The more common
Yeah, I happen to live in a small hole, under the roots of an old oak
tree. You don't, so innovation is a global phenomenon.
> observation is that the rate of change is increasing.
> Do you have any data that might persuade us that what
> you see is more telling than what others see?
>
> >gerontocracy favors gerontocracy.
>
> I would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech
> research and plenty of young workers to pay taxes.
So thought I, but apparently all it favours is a lot of whining about good
old times, the inability of youngn's to pay for your pension and the
health insurance, and the generic influx of uncouth furriners, which must
be stopped, Somehow.
> Note that the fertility rate doesn't result from
> decisions made by the old, but by the young. If we
Uh, I'm kinda aware of that.
> want more kids, we have to convince people who are
> in their twenties to become parents.
Now we're talking. Got a plan?
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Googlecooking
Originally linked by Dave's Scripting News:
http://www.megnut.com/archive.asp?which=2002_09_01_archive.inc#000194
We've got Googlewhacking, Googlebombing and now we can add Googlecooking to
our lexicon. My mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into
Google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results.
What a good idea!
- Jim
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Hoag's Object
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2002/21/
(Shows a picture of a wheel within a wheel galaxy).
The universe is a strange and wonderful place.
- Jim
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
--]want more kids, we have to convince people who are
--]in their twenties to become parents.
--]
Hey give me a break, I was working on finding the right mate. Once I did,
boomsky theres a puppy and if you would kindly not put on So much preasure
there culd well be another.
3 is a magic number...yes it is , its a magic number
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RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
> Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have
> resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented,
> dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our
> demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places
> with mostly silly and antiquated ideas).
>
> At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
> counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
> something wrong.
There was a fascinating article in the Economist 1-2 weeks back (the issue
with a pregnant-looking Statue of Liberty on the Front) that stated that
even for the native US population, fertility had jumped in the last decade
and a half. I think the current figure for the US is a little over 2, but
not quite the ~2.1 of replacement rate. Combined with the very fertile
non-native population, the article implied the US was going to have a
significant increase in population over earlier predictions. As well, the
population would overall be more youthful, with associated implications for
being able to fund social programs, military spending, consumer spending,
etc.
Europe did not show the same increase in fertility.
Some actual data for the US are here:
http://www.census.gov/population/pop-profile/2000/chap04.pdf
Part of:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/profile2000.html
- Jim
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Google? Not in China
In a slightly old news story, it turns out the Chinese government has banned
all access to the Google and AltaVista search engines.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/04/international/asia/04BEIJ.html
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/business/3996218.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2233229.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2238236.stm
The reason appears to be the Google cache feature. I can only imagine the
Internet Archive will soon follow, if it isn't already blocked.
Seems that governments do have some power over the Web, after all.
- Jim
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Re: Googlecooking
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Jim Whitehead wrote:
--]We've got Googlewhacking, Googlebombing and now we can add Googlecooking to
--]our lexicon. My mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into
--]Google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results.
--]What a good idea!
Dude, this is at least two years old and probably older. Of course we had
a more catchy phrase for it, we call it Iron Chef Google.
When the garden was in full bloom a few summers back Dawn and I would
google the ingrediants we just grew to come up with tasty recipes, or more
often ideas from recipes from which toi make our own.
Fight the hypebuzzword war, be an army of one:)-
-tom (iron che tempah)wsmf
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Re: asynchronous I/O (was Re: Gasp!)
> Wrong, [VMS-like async io] makes a huge difference in even what I
> consider small programs.
So it sounds as if, to your thinking,
most useful apps are also trivial.
Unless each key on my keyboard were
(to the apps) distinct event sources,
I can't think of any of my usual job
mix that would need hundreds, or even
tens, of async requests; perhaps you
can explain how nontrivial apps will
be compellingly useful?
> but it's still not built in, who knows when it will be. The point is it's
> not portable in either case.
Does that lack of portability imply it
isn't generally useful? (When it was
apparent that TCP networks were useful,
berkeley sockets could be found even
on VMS and Win 3.1 boxen)
Why would early Unix have run with the
idea that, if one wishes to do multiple
things at the same time, one can use a
group of processes to do them?
- they had Multics as a counterexample?
- in the days of tiny memories and tapes,
people were more accustomed to writing
programs that didn't run entirely in a
single address space?
- one is a great number for an interface,
as log(1) is 0, and specification can
be implicit?
- some combination of the above?
Now, as Hoare says:
> There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make
> it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to
> make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies.
As programmers, we've been able to make
our lives complicated for at least half
a century; the hardware interrupt gives
us the rope.
Part of Dijkstra's inspiration for THE
was the counterexample of IBM's multi-
programmed boxes (were these the same
ones that inspired Mythical Man Month?)
and I suppose he would say the question
is how not to make a mess of it -- how
should we structure computations so if
we try to do ten times as many things
at the same time, reasoning about the
resulting system is at most ten times
more complex -- not one hundred, and
certainly not three and a half million
times more.
Compared to that project, the prospect
of writing a driver library for various
vendors' aio implementations seems to
be truly trivial.
-Dave
(Oracle, in their quest for portability,
used to use raw disks for the database.
This finessed the filesystem issue; did
it also allow them to roll their own set
of async drivers?)
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Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, CDale wrote:
>
> > It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (:
>
> DNA's idea of fads is on the 100 kiloyear scale, unfortunately. As long as
> current fads don't involve in-vivo rewrite of the genome, homeoboxes
> including (now there's a problem for you, homeoboxing the adult), they're
> not all that smart an idear.
I forgot what we were taking about. (:
>
> > Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have
> > resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical
> > instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs.
>
> Art is sure nice. However, if art is our first priority we're kinda
> fux0red, if we've set our sight on a sustainable culture.
Nah, didn't say art's our priority. Said our ideas about relationships
and love are.
> > And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be
> > single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is
> > dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church
>
> Our firmware is not built to be single-parented. You can counteract that
> somewhat by exposing the kid to a community of close friends, but not too
> many do that.
I see it a lot in the south. Also family.
>
> > has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in
> > fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends
> > to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong
> > with change.
>
> I don't know what exactly is wrong, but something is definitely wrong.
> This is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is
> right and what is wrong.
One thing that's wrong is who some of us choose as babysitters. Too many
kids are put in front of the television for hours each day, to be
influenced by what the media and government thinks is important. I
learned a long time ago that what they think is important and what is are
two different things. I threw the TV out when Xi was 9. She's got her
own place now, and still doesn't have one. YaY! Another thing that's
wrong is what goes on in public schools. Some allow a bit of
individuality, but only for a class or a short period of time, depending
on the teachers, most of the time. I dunno how many times I've seen Xi
come home from school absolutely miserable or outraged about something
that happened at school. She made it to college, though, whew. It's a
big problem to tackle, and I don't know the answer. I like the idea of
the voucher system, because in a way it is a way parents can vote more
efficiently for how their kids are taught.
> > > > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and
> > > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing
> > > something wrong.
> > >
> > > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth.
>
> m-w?
>
merriam-webster. (:
C
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re: Google? Not in China
>>>>> "J" == Jim Whitehead <ejw@CSE.UCSC.EDU> writes:
J> Seems that governments do have some power over the
J> Web, after all.
At the 1993 ITAC "Roadwork" Conference, Peter Mansbridge asked the
panel of experts how it might be possible to censor the internet. All
of the panelists laughed except Bill Buxton. Peter asked him if he
knew something the others didn't. Bill replied that it /was/ possible
to censor the internet, which drew a gasp from the audience. "All you
need is a global government more Draconian than any that has occured
before in history"
Scientology DMCA suits against Norwegians, legal RIAA file-trading
virii, Bush's Homeland Insecurity, Canada using ISPs as spies, RIAA
suing Prodigy for P2P users and having Foreign sites barred from the
US, France tempers Yahoo, China IP-filters Google ...
Seems Bill didn't know much about how Government really works. Either
that, or there's a smelly similarity between Buxton's global Big
Brother and the US and Chinese.
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)
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RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
quitcherbraggin.
:-)
gg
-----Original Message-----
From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM
To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy
cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I
close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be
here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,
and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
stumbles around in the dark.
Cindy
P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-
P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab
driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another
computer job. Le Sigh. (:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Hello Adam,
>
> Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
>
> Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
> so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
>
> ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other
then
> ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both
she and
> ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
>
> Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
> forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
> and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
> know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> now.
>
> If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
> situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
> marriage.
>
> Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
> blame law school and my cat.
>
> -BB
>
> ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> ALB> beberg@mithral.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Online contents of Electronic Publishing journal
I recently stumbled across the contents of the journal, "Electronic
Publishing", which was published from January, 1988 through December, 1995.
All papers are available online in PDF (this was apparently one of the first
journals to disseminate in PDF, in 1994). The journal also reprints some of
the better papers from the Electronic Publishing conferences, held bi-yearly
from 1986-1992 (EP86, EP88, EP90, EP92).
http://cajun.cs.nott.ac.uk/compsci/epo/papers/epoddtoc.html
Today's reader might look at the contents and wonder about their relevance,
since they don't directly discuss the Web. As an academic, I find this
journal valuable, since the papers are of generally high quality (by top
researchers), and they provide lots of pointers to the evolution of the
ideas that led to many Web technologies. It's one source among many for
sifting through the intellectual lineage of electronic publishing
technologies.
Rohit and Adam might find the following papers especially relevant, in the
context of their WWW7 "Evolution of Document Species" paper:
Page Description Languages: Development, Implementation and Standardization:
A. L. Oakley and A. C. Norris
http://cajun.cs.nott.ac.uk/compsci/epo/papers/volume1/issue2/epalo012.pdf
Important papers in the history of document preparation systems: basic
sources:
Richard K. Furuta
http://cajun.cs.nott.ac.uk/compsci/epo/papers/volume5/issue1/ep057rf.pdf
(Excellent overview of sources)
Several of the authors of papers in this journal are now involved in the ACM
Document Engineering conference series:
http://www.documentengineering.org/
- Jim
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RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Why should I? (:
C
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote:
> quitcherbraggin.
>
> :-)
> gg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM
> To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
> Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
>
>
> I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
> right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy
> cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
> of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I
> close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
> unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be
> here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,
> and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
> have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
> the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
> clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
> stumbles around in the dark.
> Cindy
> P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
> the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-
> P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab
> driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
> like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another
> computer job. Le Sigh. (:
>
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
>
> > Hello Adam,
> >
> > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
> >
> > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
> > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
> >
> > ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other
> then
> > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both
> she and
> > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> > ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded" choices?
> >
> > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
> > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
> > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
> > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> > now.
> >
> > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
> > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
> > marriage.
> >
> > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
> > blame law school and my cat.
> >
> > -BB
> >
> > ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> > ALB> beberg@mithral.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
>
>
>
>
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Friday 06 September 2002 06:16 am, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> I don't know what exactly is wrong, but something is definitely wrong.
> This is way too important to be left to just our intuition of what is
> right and what is wrong.
This is one of those formally difficult points from a philosophy
perspective. You can't really throw out intuition and emotion because
reason really only gets you answers that reflect the genome and the
ancestral environment. Going forward requires creativity and experiment.
Eirikur
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RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
If it's unwritten, how'm I supposed to know unless someone CALLS me up and
tells me/ hint hint. LOL (: Well, I reckon it's a written rule now,
since it's on the internet in text format w/ your name attached, but then
again, when have I ever followed any damned rules??? (:
C
On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote:
> unwritten rule. 8-)
>
> gg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:21 PM
> To: Geege Schuman
> Cc: bitbitch@magnesium.net; Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
>
>
> Why should I? (:
> C
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote:
>
> > quitcherbraggin.
> >
> > :-)
> > gg
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM
> > To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
> > Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> > Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
> >
> >
> > I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
> > right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy
> > cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
> > of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I
> > close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
> > unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be
> > here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,
> > and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
> > have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
> > the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
> > clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
> > stumbles around in the dark.
> > Cindy
> > P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
> > the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-
> > P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab
> > driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
> > like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another
> > computer job. Le Sigh. (:
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Adam,
> > >
> > > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
> > >
> > > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
> > > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
> > >
> > > ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other
> > then
> > > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both
> > she and
> > > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> > > ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"
> choices?
> > >
> > > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> > > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> > > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
> > > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
> > > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> > > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> > > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
> > > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> > > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> > > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> > > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> > > now.
> > >
> > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
> > > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> > > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> > > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> > > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
> > > marriage.
> > >
> > > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
> > > blame law school and my cat.
> > >
> > > -BB
> > >
> > > ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> > > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> > > ALB> beberg@mithral.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
>
>
>
>
>
--
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
CDale URLed thusly:
>http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/10.19/01_monogamy.html
>The assumption that females of all species tend to be less promiscuous
>than males simply does not fit the facts, Hrdy contended.
Well, DUH!!!
It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly,
precisely identical between males and females.
Of course the shapes of the distributions may differ.
R
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Robert Harley:
>It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly,
>precisely identical between males and females.
Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations.
But that obscures the different modes of
promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for
money or power or companionship and the person
who uses money and power and companionship to
get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense
of the word. But their motives and behavior are
quite different.
Langur monkeys were the example in the cited
article. "Dominant males .. kill babies that
are not their own." "The dominant male monkey
.. seeks to defend his harem of females." But
cozying up to the current dominant male isn't
the best strategy for female langurs, because
"dominant males are dethroned by rivals every
27 months or so." "By mating with as many
extra-group males as possible, female langurs
ensure their offspring against infanticide,"
by the male who is likely next to rule the
roost.
Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a
picture of carefree females engaged in joyously
promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who
is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a
better picture of that. ;-)
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RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
unwritten rule. 8-)
gg
-----Original Message-----
From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:21 PM
To: Geege Schuman
Cc: bitbitch@magnesium.net; Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Why should I? (:
C
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote:
> quitcherbraggin.
>
> :-)
> gg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of CDale
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM
> To: bitbitch@magnesium.net
> Cc: Adam L. Beberg; fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
>
>
> I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the
> right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy
> cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number
> of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I
> close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he
> unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be
> here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,
> and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned "chores") Adam can
> have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has
> the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO
> clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he
> stumbles around in the dark.
> Cindy
> P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only
> the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-
> P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab
> driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking
> like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another
> computer job. Le Sigh. (:
>
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
>
> > Hello Adam,
> >
> > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.
> >
> > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every
> > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)
> >
> > ALB> And how is this any different from "normal" marriage exactly? Other
> then
> > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both
> she and
> > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of
> > ALB> "de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded"
choices?
> >
> > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of
> > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,
> > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't
> > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,
> > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even
> > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and
> > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I
> > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things
> > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my
> > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a
> > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation
> > now.
> >
> > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then
> > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these
> > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship
> > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he
> > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished
> > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest
> > marriage.
> >
> > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I
> > blame law school and my cat.
> >
> > -BB
> >
> > ALB> - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
> > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
> > ALB> beberg@mithral.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
>
>
>
>
>
--
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RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
cdale is a double chocolate chip macadamia to my vanilla wafer. wait, maybe
i'm a ginger snap.
<cough>
gg
-----Original Message-----
From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of
Russell Turpin
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:06 AM
To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
Subject: Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Robert Harley:
>It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly,
>precisely identical between males and females.
Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations.
But that obscures the different modes of
promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for
money or power or companionship and the person
who uses money and power and companionship to
get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense
of the word. But their motives and behavior are
quite different.
Langur monkeys were the example in the cited
article. "Dominant males .. kill babies that
are not their own." "The dominant male monkey
.. seeks to defend his harem of females." But
cozying up to the current dominant male isn't
the best strategy for female langurs, because
"dominant males are dethroned by rivals every
27 months or so." "By mating with as many
extra-group males as possible, female langurs
ensure their offspring against infanticide,"
by the male who is likely next to rule the
roost.
Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a
picture of carefree females engaged in joyously
promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who
is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a
better picture of that. ;-)
_________________________________________________________________
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RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Hah. I guess she doesn't want everyone to know about all the kinky sex
she and I have had. LOL
C
On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote:
> cdale is a double chocolate chip macadamia to my vanilla wafer. wait, maybe
> i'm a ginger snap.
>
> <cough>
> gg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of
> Russell Turpin
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
>
>
> Robert Harley:
> >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly,
> >precisely identical between males and females.
>
> Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations.
> But that obscures the different modes of
> promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for
> money or power or companionship and the person
> who uses money and power and companionship to
> get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense
> of the word. But their motives and behavior are
> quite different.
>
> Langur monkeys were the example in the cited
> article. "Dominant males .. kill babies that
> are not their own." "The dominant male monkey
> .. seeks to defend his harem of females." But
> cozying up to the current dominant male isn't
> the best strategy for female langurs, because
> "dominant males are dethroned by rivals every
> 27 months or so." "By mating with as many
> extra-group males as possible, female langurs
> ensure their offspring against infanticide,"
> by the male who is likely next to rule the
> roost.
>
> Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a
> picture of carefree females engaged in joyously
> promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who
> is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a
> better picture of that. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Oh, well, uh, thank you, Russell. LOL@#! (I think?)
C
On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:
> Robert Harley:
> >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly,
> >precisely identical between males and females.
>
> Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations.
> But that obscures the different modes of
> promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for
> money or power or companionship and the person
> who uses money and power and companionship to
> get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense
> of the word. But their motives and behavior are
> quite different.
>
> Langur monkeys were the example in the cited
> article. "Dominant males .. kill babies that
> are not their own." "The dominant male monkey
> .. seeks to defend his harem of females." But
> cozying up to the current dominant male isn't
> the best strategy for female langurs, because
> "dominant males are dethroned by rivals every
> 27 months or so." "By mating with as many
> extra-group males as possible, female langurs
> ensure their offspring against infanticide,"
> by the male who is likely next to rule the
> roost.
>
> Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a
> picture of carefree females engaged in joyously
> promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who
> is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a
> better picture of that. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Definitional nit to pick:
Robert Harley writes:
> It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly,
> precisely identical between males and females.
>
> Of course the shapes of the distributions may differ.
You've redefined "promiscuity" above as "total" or "average"
activity, which seems to rob it of its common meaning:
activity above some specific threshold (usually "one") or
norm, or involving extra or indiscriminate variety.
"Promiscuity" is thus inherently a description of
distributions rather than averages.
Consider a population of 3 males and 3 females. Let
there be three pairings which result in each person
having sex once. Then, let one of the males also have
sex with the other two females.
Sure, the average number of sex acts and sex partners
is equal between the sexes, tautologically.
But here more women than men are:
- above the single partner threshold
- above the overall average 1.67 acts/partners threshold
- above the overall median 1.5 acts/partners
- above the overall mode 1 acts/partners
And here women have a higher mode (2) and median (2)
number of partners.
So in this contrived population, females are more
"promiscuous" than males, unless "promiscuity" is
defined uselessly.
- Gordon
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RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
CDale:
>I guess [Geege] doesn't want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she
>and I have had.
Yeah, like I'm going to believe that without
seeing the photos. Next, you'll be telling me
that Beberg found a job he likes.
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RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
intersectedness: i'd be surprised if beberg ever had a BLOWjob he liked. i
mean, it would have involved OTHERS, less EVOLVED others.
:-)
gg
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Russell Turpin
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:07 PM
To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
Subject: RE: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
CDale:
>I guess [Geege] doesn't want everyone to know about all the kinky sex she
>and I have had.
Yeah, like I'm going to believe that without
seeing the photos. Next, you'll be telling me
that Beberg found a job he likes.
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The Big Jump
Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get in a
350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 km
altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and reach
speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at the
end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the
ground and still hasn't opened it.
R
ObQuote:
"Veder�, si aver� si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di Franza."
("Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!")
- Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511
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Re: The Big Jump
So uh, would this qualify for the Darwin awards if he doesn't make it?
Freaking french people...
:-)
-BB
RH> Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get in a
RH> 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40 km
RH> altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and reach
RH> speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at the
RH> end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the
RH> ground and still hasn't opened it.
RH> R
RH> ObQuote:
RH> "Veder�, si aver� si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di Franza."
RH> ("Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!")
RH> - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511
--
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Re: whoa
On 9/8/02 7:38 AM, "Gary Lawrence Murphy" <garym@canada.com> wrote:
> J> ... If you want a region of the globe mapped out to a very
> J> high resolution (e.g. 1-meter), they can scan the area with
> J> aircraft LIDAR and add it to the database, thereby making that
> J> region zoomable to the resolution of the database for that
> J> area.
>
> Can you give us an example of an application where 1-m resolution
> would be worth the considerable expense?
An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three dimensions for a
metro area when deploying wireless networks. By having every single tree
and building detail and similar, you can "see" even tiny dead spots due to
physical blockage and signal attenuation. Overlay this with fiber map data
for yourself and your competitors (when you can glean such data), which is
also useful at this resolution, and you have a very slick way of modeling
existing network deployments in excruciating detail and optimizing further
deployments to maximize coverage and bandwidth. Take that and tie it into a
slick geo-physically aware real-time network monitoring and management
system and you've really got something...
For many applications though, 5-meter data is probably adequate.
-James Rogers
jamesr@best.com
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
Robert Harley:
> Gordon Mohr wrote:
> >Definitional nit to pick:
> >You've redefined "promiscuity" above as "total" or "average" activity,
>
> I think it's clear that I'm talking about averages, so I'm not sure
> why that nit needs to be picked...
It was clear you were talking about averages. But it should
be equally clear that that isn't what people mean when they
use the word "promiscuity".
> >which seems to rob it of its common meaning:
> >activity above some specific threshold (usually "one")
>
> In that case, "promiscous" is a vacuous term in modern Western
> societies (but we knew that :), where people average 7 partners or so
> in their adult lives.
Not at all. There are still people who only have one partner.
There are many more whoe only have one partner over "long"
periods of time. So it is far from "vacuous" to describe some
people as "promiscuous" and others as "not promiscuous",
especially over a set period. ("He was promiscuous in college.
He is no longer promiscuous.")
The word has a clear meaning, despite your continuing tendency
to gloss that meaning over with population averages.
> >Consider a population of 3 males and 3 females.
> >[...]
> >so in this contrived population, females are more "promiscuous" than males,
>
> So 1 girl gets 1 guy, 2 girls get 2 guys, 2 guys get 1 girl, 1 guy
> gets 3 girls. Sounds like six of one versus half a dozen of the other
> to me.
OK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each
pair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him "Wilt",
also has sex with the other 499,999 women.
499,999 women have had more than one partner. 499,999 men have
only had one partner. It is now "perfectly obvious" that in the
common meaning of the term, among this contrived population,
that women are "more promiscuous" than men -- even though the
single "most promiscuous" person, Wilt, is a man.
"Promiscuity" is not "exactly, perfectly identical between males
and females", except under a degenerate custom definition of
"promiscuity".
> >unless "promiscuity" is defined uselessly.
>
> Ain't nothin' useless about averages.
Averages are useful, sure -- but much more so if called by their
actual name, rather than conflated with another concept.
- Gordon
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote:
> OK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each
> pair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him "Wilt",
> also has sex with the other 499,999 women.
It is not uncommon to find gay males who had sex with several thousands
partners (there would be more, in fact lots more, probably, but a lot of
them have died). Don't have to be a callboy, if considering that you can
have intercourse with several partners in a single day in a bathouse it
doesn't look particularly difficult to do.
Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into
account.
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Re: whoa
>>>>> "J" == James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> writes:
J> An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three
J> dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks.
J> By having every single tree and building detail and similar,
J> you can "see" even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and
J> signal attenuation.
Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses
whatsoever ;) ... do the biz guys in your office /really/ think WISPs
are really going to shell out /their/ money to find a house or two
they can't reach? Experience suggests (a) they won't care and (b)
they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a
run-around blaming the dead-spot on "unsupported vendor equipment".
Thus, yes, it is 'cool': Expensive toy with no apparent function ;)
--
Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)
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earthviewer (was Re: whoa}
On 9/8/02 7:38 AM, "Gary Lawrence Murphy" <garym@canada.com> wrote:
> J> ... If you want a region of the globe mapped out to a very
> J> high resolution (e.g. 1-meter), they can scan the area with
> J> aircraft LIDAR and add it to the database, thereby making that
> J> region zoomable to the resolution of the database for that
> J> area.
>
> Can you give us an example of an application where 1-m resolution
> would be worth the considerable expense?
Planning battle tactics; for this reason, the intelligence press
reports, spy satellites have had 1-meter resolution for many years.
Finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be possible
with 1-m images and might occasionally also be worth the money.
For small areas you have legitimate access to, it's probably cheaper
to go there with a digital camera and a GPS and take some snapshots
from ground level. Aerial photos might be cheaper for large areas,
areas where you're not allowed --- or, perhaps, physically able --- to
go, and cases where you don't have time to send a ground guy around
the whole area.
--
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Edsger Wybe Dijkstra died in August of 2002. The world has lost a great
man. See http://advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=252 and
http://www.kode-fu.com/geek/2002_08_04_archive.shtml for details.
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Re: whoa
On 9/8/02 3:16 PM, "Gary Lawrence Murphy" <garym@canada.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "J" == James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> writes:
>
> J> An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three
> J> dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks.
> J> By having every single tree and building detail and similar,
> J> you can "see" even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and
> J> signal attenuation.
>
> Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses
> whatsoever ;) ... do the biz guys in your office /really/ think WISPs
> are really going to shell out /their/ money to find a house or two
> they can't reach? Experience suggests (a) they won't care and (b)
> they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a
> run-around blaming the dead-spot on "unsupported vendor equipment".
Errrr....the biz guys in my office don't care what the "WISPs" want to do
with their little WiFi networks. And the bandwidth shadows in most cities
are surprisingly large and common. They aren't selling the software, which
is pretty pricy as it happens. They are using it to optimize next
generation wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a large
scale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro wireless
configurations, some of which generate far more dead or marginal spots and
others which are very expensive to operate (due to backhaul transit
considerations) or both. This software can be used as a tool to optimize
the canopy coverage and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless
is tied into fiber at multiple points.
The canopies we are talking about aren't short-range wifi technologies, but
a mixture of long-range high-performance wireless networking, with bandwidth
measured in tens to hundreds of mbits and ranges measured in miles (up to
well over a hundred miles on the extreme end). At those ranges and
bandwidth levels, the cost of providing the network can easily vary by an
order of magnitude or more depending on how you manage RF shadows and
proximity to fiber access points. The idea ultimately is to optimize the
cost and performance such that no existing network infrastructure providers
can remotely compete and maintain profitability. This is a surprisingly low
bar, and it is about time networks were designed with this level of
large-scale optimization (cost per mbit, maximizing coverage, and effective
bandwidth available per unit area) in any case. And for this company's
long-term plans, this type of capability will be absolutely necessary to
keep things sane.
Or at least investors find this capability very sexy and compelling,
especially since we have this lovely visualization engine tied into the
system (CLI batches never have the same effect, even if it is more
efficient).
-James Rogers
jamesr@best.com
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Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)
On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote:
--]doesn't look particularly difficult to do.
--]
--]Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into
--]account.
So lets see, hets dont go to swing clubs, meat markets or the like at all?
Hmm. And being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster
while you listen to the Devine Ms M belt one out for the boys?
Ugh, with thinking like this who needs the bible belt?
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Recommended Viewing
who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen the original?
if it's airing now on the west coast, do catch it.
gg
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