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[speaker001:] have you had to put anyone in a nursing home
[speaker002:] no but my husband's mother was in a nursing home
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and she was in there she got sick and they put her in a nursing home because you couldn't we couldn't afford a nurse to you know all all day nurse
[speaker001:] yeah twenty four hours
[speaker002:] yeah well at least as they told us uh two shifts
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] you know that's sixteen hours because one would come in the morning and one would be at night I mean in the afternoon and then that night it wouldn't need one
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] you know because she would be sleeping so I would be here then
[speaker001:] yeah that would seem like that would be uh more expensive than a uh nursing nursing home wouldn't it
[speaker002:] well the nursing home is covered by uh social security see
[speaker001:] oh and the nurse at home isn't oh okay I got you
[speaker002:] and the nurses aren't no see you have to pay that
[speaker001:] yeah I didn't know that
[speaker002:] and oh yeah if you put nursing home and that's another thing I you know you got to find a good nursing home is very hard to find because the people don't care most of them don't care some of them do care the work that you know the the nurse aide that what the problem is I think it's the nurses' aide they don't pay them enough to keep them there and to do the things that they need to do
[speaker001:] now well my brother in law was working with uh in one for a little bit and uh he just he couldn't handle the things he had to do
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know uh cleaning up after men uh men and women using the restroom and stuff he he he couldn't handle it
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's gets bad some of them and then it depends on the nursing home and how bad it is you know because they have some nursing home that don't have anybody that's not walking you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and it just depends on how bad that person is
[speaker001:] well seems to me if a person gets into that area they I I don't know it seems like if you're going to get in that area and spend the time learning it because you do have to go to school on some of it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] you ought to do your job
[speaker001:] yeah and um
[speaker002:] and if you can't if you can't I think they should get out of it instead of mistreating the people
[speaker001:] yeah I I've heard a lot of bad things about them mistreating people and uh
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] I've even heard of some people being sexually abused
[speaker002:] they steal yeah that and they steal
[speaker001:] yeah they steal from them
[speaker002:] uh oh yeah I used to take uh every week you know I have to threaten it which it doesn't make sense for me to have to sit there and threaten uh people um that work there
[speaker001:] I didn't yeah
[speaker002:] you know like I bring her I bought her a blanket and I had this girl hand crocheted her a lap blanket you know because she sits in a wheel chair but she can walk they just sit them in wheel chairs and I told her uh I came up there the following week and it was gone I said where is it she said in the washer I said I tell you what when I come back it better be here because they went to the washer we didn't find it I said you all better find it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and you know bedspread her bedspread she I took her a bedspread because she a comforter because she was always cold
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and so uh you know then I had to put write the name on the whole bedspread I'm talking uh like it's
[speaker001:] in each square
[speaker002:] it almost you know on both sides so that they can't turn it over and put it on somebody else's bed
[speaker001:] all over that's that's not right
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] I've I've only known two people in a nursing home and you know it was my grandmother and grandfather on my father's side and I just heard through my father what was going on and uh
[speaker002:] yeah well see this this one I I is more or less first hand you know she just died um we buried her February but she had been in there at least I know for seven years eight years and he didn't want to put her in there but he can't afford it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and that's another thing you know
[speaker001:] yeah something I guess you get forced to do make decisions and
[speaker002:] but you don't have it depends on when didn't you you have a choice the only thing I can say is you have a choice of where they go sometimes
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] sometimes you don't and then you have to check out the nursing home and the only way you're going to check out a nursing home is to actually put them in there and check on them every time but don't tell the people
[speaker001:] what time you going to come in just come in uh
[speaker002:] yeah you have to do one of them you know spontaneous things like maybe three o'clock in the afternoon or one o'clock in the afternoon and stuff like that because they're not expecting you
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] you know they expect you Saturday like on Saturdays Friday you know Saturdays and Sundays and Friday and stuff but not during the week
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] hum-um it gets bad it is nursing home I think is sometimes I think some people put them in there and then they just die that's about what it's for and it's really not some people don't need to be in there
[speaker001:] you know that's what I've heard too you know I heard that they just put them in there because they don't want to mess with them
[speaker002:] that's right and I don't think that's right I think they should have a place to some of the people that don't need to be in the nursing home with nurses they need to have a place for them like a retirement home
[speaker001:] well yeah I've heard uh some things you know uh I I don't where I heard it from it might have been a movie or something where they made a apartment complex into a what you're saying for people who can take care of themselves but they they uh need a little help in doing it
[speaker002:] yeah don't yeah and see that would be okay you could have somebody check on each one of them every day you know go by and see what they need
[speaker001:] yeah each of them have their own little apartment or little
[speaker002:] little place to live you know even just a little room or whatever
[speaker001:] yeah well do they share rooms in nursing homes
[speaker002:] sometimes yeah it depends on the patient and and I guess sometimes the availability of that of the room and how they done built the hospitals because I know one lady like she had a roommate but the woman across the hall didn't have one
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] get my purse uh but it it it you know it just to me nursing homes are um
[speaker001:] bad news
[speaker002:] bad news unless you can find a really good one and those are rare but there are some good ones and there are some bad ones I mean
[speaker001:] well I'll I'll say something I said in the last conversation I hope I'm never in that position where I have to be put in one uh from all I've heard about it just not and I've heard
[speaker002:] I told my husband well is this weird because see what people don't understand is even the people that work in the nursing home they will get old one day
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and everything that they do to somebody will come back to them that's the way I feel yeah
[speaker001:] well if it ain't uh well you know uh
[speaker002:] or maybe that won't not make it that far in life for what they did to somebody but
[speaker001:] well yeah I have my beliefs in the hereafter and I believe that uh God will take care of them
[speaker002:] that's the whole that's what I think I think God will definitely get uh you know uh there's two people that I know you should not mess uh abuse and that's a child and a someone person that's elderly you shouldn't abuse anybody but but down right
[speaker001:] true
[speaker002:] them people them two people are the most helpless people you see what I'm saying
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know they can't really defend themselves like somebody grown uh say my age you know yeah
[speaker001:] or mine yeah I got you there
[speaker002:] because I can tell somebody to go leave me alone but they so old
[speaker001:] or you can force them to do it if you know
[speaker002:] yeah you can force their hand more or less but see somebody that old they don't know
[speaker001:] yeah uh
[speaker002:] and then what they what are they going to do and if they tell anybody people always say oh they're just senile you know huh-uh and that ain't right neither
[speaker001:] no it's not
[speaker002:] so it it it gets bad you know it just depends on like I said the nursing home now my grandmother was in a nursing home in California before she died but it was a nice nursing home for you know it was one of the nice ones
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but now my mom and them had to pay for that too
[speaker001:] yeah I was going to say you have to pay something like three and four times more
[speaker002:] you have to pay more you know social security covers so much and then um you have to pay some more and she chose to pay some more
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] if she you know since it was like my my grandmother had thirteen kids so they all you know paid their month which was better but see my husband's a only child
[speaker001:] yeah and then he'd have to pay it all
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I know what big families are like and how they can get together if you if they're really cooperative and wanting the best
[speaker002:] if yeah see and then there's another thing she told me is you have to make sure everybody cooperates because like by her her being there if someone if one of her brothers didn't send in their check she would have to pay it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know and wait for him to whenever he decide to pay it you know
[speaker001:] yeah well I know my mom from a family of at least sixteen I've lost count uh and my grandmother just died sometime last well about two years ago
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh they was all talking about pulling together and paying for the uh hospital costs and stuff and uh you know there's some of my family that's not exactly in the homeless level but you know darn close
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and uh then there's others who is uh-huh lots better off
[speaker002:] just pretty oh yeah see that's what that's what gets me like well just like my brother he has got his five bedroom house
[speaker001:] and
[speaker002:] in California with the swimming pool and here I am renting a house barely making it
[speaker001:] you know well in California too I've got a friend that lives out there and uh she's got a little two three bedroom house with a garage a double car garage and it's costing her a thousand dollars a month
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] California is high
[speaker002:] yeah and then you know it's like I tell him you make more money than I do than I could ever really think about if I made as much money as my brother I would be just like set for life
[speaker001:] that's what we keep saying
[speaker002:] you know but not him he's never happy and I think that's that's why he makes as much as he do is because he keeps thriving for more
[speaker001:] uh well that's
[speaker002:] which I probably if I got what I wanted I'd be okay you know
[speaker001:] well that's a good initiative uh I guess if but |
[speaker001:] what kind of car would you like to buy next
[speaker002:] well I guess Cadillac I guess that's kind of everybody's dream
[speaker001:] huh why would that be a
[speaker002:] oh I guess it's a General Motors product and I like General Motors because they're made in the United States and uh we've had General Motors for years and have always had real good luck with them
[speaker001:] okay well that's good if you had uh no financial requirements if you could buy any car in the entire world no matter what it cost what would you buy
[speaker002:] um-hum oh um I think I'd still go with a Cadillac I don't I don't care about a big fancy fancy
[speaker001:] say what which type of Cadillac uh is your favorite
[speaker002:] oh I don't know I guess the Seville probably or yeah yeah
[speaker001:] the Seville that's a sharp looking car that really is it it always has been though
[speaker002:] yeah they have been
[speaker001:] you know it doesn't have the Coup de Ville or the Sedan de Ville squareness it never really has it's always had it's own unique look
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] yeah I've always liked that I liked the the one year they had or the couple of years they had were uh the trunk head would look like belt buckles across the back of it
[speaker002:] oh yeah right
[speaker001:] I thought now that looks sharp that looks real sharp
[speaker002:] yeah well I think the ones uh now with all of the um fancy gold lettering and all you know I think they're very pretty
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and course the top now the vinyl what is it a vinyl top I think those are pretty
[speaker001:] yeah and uh the I I've never really uh I've never ridden in one recently um but they're supposed to be just real smooth
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] just a nice comfortable ride
[speaker002:] yeah they are and uh they they're just always they they look like they're sturdy you know they look like they're very sturdy and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you don't have to worry that much about um getting you know hurt like you would in a small one
[speaker001:] right now they've got a uh a unique feature uh feature in them now if uh if you have a front end accident at such a rate of speed the engine the engine will actually drop out of the car so that it doesn't come through the so it does not go it doesn't go through the you know into the inside it'll go underneath the car instead
[speaker002:] oh I didn't know that
[speaker001:] so that's that's a big safety factor they've got in them now
[speaker002:] yeah and I suppose they all have the balloons
[speaker001:] the air bags yep
[speaker002:] the air bags yeah well
[speaker001:] so though that's great that's great so you say you've you've always uh preferred General Motors products what uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah I do um I I go for things you know built in the United States rather than foreign countries help our economy and
[speaker001:] right what kind of uh General Motors cars have you had in the past
[speaker002:] mostly Oldsmobiles
[speaker001:] Oldsmobiles those are real nice riding cars too
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah that's what I have now but of course if I had my choice I'd still have the Cadillac but um I've been very satisfied with the with the Oldsmobiles we've driven them for about probably twenty years
[speaker001:] has that been the Cutlass or the Sierra
[speaker002:] uh no the Ninety Eight
[speaker001:] the Ninety Eight okay
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah so
[speaker001:] well I don't think uh let's see the Ninety Eight now that's got that big V eight engine in it doesn't it doesn't it
[speaker002:] well no now the one we have has a six uh-huh but it's a very good car it's uh
[speaker001:] has a little V six okay
[speaker002:] a have not had one minute's problem with it and I've had and I have twenty three thousand miles on it
[speaker001:] it oh that's great that's great that's always nice to get uh reliability
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] in a product especially when you're spending you know anywhere from fifteen to twenty five thousand dollars for for a single item
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know you just don't want any hassles with it you just you expect it to do its its job and I think a lot of
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] a lot of car manufacturers don't really keep that into consideration don't take that into consideration you know
[speaker002:] um-hum there that's true
[speaker001:] they just expect you to buy their product but that's always been something that's been a key factor in me is how reliable is this car gonna be you know price is is an issue but it's not the most important issue
[speaker002:] um-hum no it really isn't because now you can get like five year financing on them and so um but I I I would go with the General Motors any time
[speaker001:] right uh well I've always been a Ford man myself
[speaker002:] oh really oh
[speaker001:] yes but that's all right you know it's it's American made too which is good um but I I've ever since I guess I was I was growing up my dad's always had Fords
[speaker002:] yeah well sure right uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh well I grew up in South Dakota so everybody has a truck
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh my Ford trucks have just I've I've just never had problems with them I honestly think I would die before my truck would kill over on me
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah well uh Ford yeah those are good products also um
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] doesn't seem like |
[speaker001:] [sneezing] [sniffing].
[speaker002:] [clicking] [sigh] Well, here in Logan, Utah, [sniffing] we've got a nice little valley here and it's like crystal clear all the time except for during the winter [pause] when the inversion sets in and then we get a little bit of pollution in the valley.
[speaker001:] [breathing] Huh. [Lipsmack] Well, here in Seattle, uh, it's g-, the air's getting more and more polluted. We're, uh, we're in kind of a basin [inhaling]. And, uh, [sigh] [lipsmack] Seattle is on Puget Sound which is a inland waterway between two mountains. And, uh, there's been a lot, a lot of growth, population growth around here [inhaling]. And, uh, [sigh] it's, uh, it's getting worse [LAUGHTER]. I think
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] most of it is from cars.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Definitely. Here in Utah up along the Wasatch along the western side of the, of these Rocky Mountains here, where a lot of the big cities are Salt Lake and Ogden and Provo and Logan's up in the valley a little bit further north, we get a lot of pollution and it's like seventy percent of it is from cars.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [music].
[speaker002:] And, uh, it always really hits hard during the winter when we get the inversion [clicking]. And when we get,
[speaker001:] [NOISE].
[speaker002:] get cold air down in the valleys and warm air up above and it just sits and sits and sits and we're starting to hit pollution levels now on the Wasatch front which match that of L A a few years ago.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] It's not, it's almost sad. Because when I grew up here, it was just always the crisp air up in the mountain valleys and now it's not in the mountain valleys.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [inhaling] Yeah, I live in the,
[speaker002:] [sniffing].
[speaker001:] university district and, uh, uh, it's supposed to have about the worst air pollution [LAUGHTER]. I think probably due to, uh, a lot of students going back and forth to school.
[speaker002:] [talking] Huh.
[speaker001:] And then we're right next to Interstate Five also.
[speaker002:] They're getting serious about things like, uh, mandatory, well they've already passed laws where you have to get your cars checked for pollution if you're in certain counties, emissions.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah. have they started doing that yet?
[speaker002:] Yeah. They've actually started doing it down along the, not in Logan up here cause we're doing a lot better. We have a lot, population is a lot lighter up here.
[speaker001:] [inhaling] We have that here and, uh, they're, they're expanding it to, uh, more counties here. Uh, as the population spreads out [sigh] and I think they're also going to be making it, uh, [lipsmack] mandatory for more cars. Th-, th-, there was, uh, something in the law about if your car was over a certain age, like over twenty years old, you didn't have to get it done anymore. And
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think they're eliminating that, uh
[speaker002:] Yeah. They're ge-, eliminating that out here.
[speaker001:] that loophole. Yeah.
[speaker002:] They're also talking very seriously about the thing called a dirt gun. Where they're, uh, looking at the emissions from the car using basically a spectrometer and looking at the, basically how much of what is coming out of the exhaust. Kind of like a radar gun. And...
[speaker001:] Oh, really, You mean they could
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] do that remotely?
[speaker002:] Yeah. Do it remotely just looking at the, what they do, they do several different types of things. Sometimes they put a source light and they look at the source light and then as the car goes by, you can see the exhaust pipe and the source light behind it and you can look at the emissions actually.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] And...
[speaker001:] Now where does the source light go?
[speaker002:] Like across the street. They'll set up
[speaker001:] Oh, I see.
[speaker002:] like a trap or something like that in some sense. And they're also looking at, uh, other, you know, ways of monitoring this and, cause they've found out something basically that, uh, and a poorly tuned car can emit something, it's an incredible amount. It was like four hundred times as much
[speaker001:] Jeez.
[speaker002:] uh, of certain pollutants, and it was like unburned hydrocarbons, then a properly tuned car. And, and the idea being that if you just tuned up all the cars, well if you tuned up this ten percent of the cars that were producing like fifty percent of the, the pollution then, you know, you, it'd be one way to cut the pollution in half.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's neat [inhaling] [sniffing].
[speaker002:] [sniffing] [sniffing].
[speaker001:] But it's also been, uh, oh, you know, everybody [sigh] is talking about using more mass transient here but it, uh, it's tough, you know. Like I've, I've looked into riding the bus to work and I can drive to work in, uh, and get there in twenty to twenty-five minutes over a very congested corridor. Which goes over Lake Washington on one of the floating bridges.
[speaker002:] [clicking] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But if I, uh, [lipsmack] if I take the bus, it requires several transfers and it takes over an hour.
[speaker002:] [NOISE] Huh.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] So [LAUGHTER] so it
[speaker002:] Yeah. And they're...
[speaker001:] it's, it's not hard to see [LAUGHTER] why, why I keep driving. And you know, I feel guilty cause I'm driving a [music] [breathing], |
[speaker001:] Well, how about you. Do you use P C -s?
[speaker002:] Oh constantly.
[speaker001:] Yeah. You and me both.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] It seems everything I do is computer related.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And if it goes down, then we're stuck all day.
[speaker001:] Yeah. And so I like the I B M P C, personally.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] But that's pretty much everything I've worked with and, uh, I've become so accustomed to it that, uh, it's second nature.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] What do you use?
[speaker002:] Well, I have an, I, I B M P S two, model thirty.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It's kind of, kind of getting too slow for me, but my job, I'm an E D P auditor, so I audit, uh, computer applications both on the personal computer and the mainframe level.
[speaker001:] Oh, huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And I use my personal computer constantly, not only do I do P C type things like, uh, using lotus or word processors,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] I also use my P C to emulate a mainframe terminal for our I B M mainframe
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] and also to emulate a deck terminal for our deck machine.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] So all I have on my desk is my P C, but I'm, I'm getting, not only our local area network, but I'm getting two separate mainframe machines, also.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay. So we, um, we use, it's an I B M P S two also.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] And, um, you know, every now and then the file gets so big, that, you know, it moves slower than I'd like
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] but I, uh, I do mainly graphic work on it.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, a little bit of word processing and then lotus applications to it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I don't know, I just, I enjoy working with them.
[speaker002:] Yeah [Voice faded].
[speaker001:] There's so many capabilities out there, I mean, the things you can do are endless.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I've become kind of the P C guru in our audit department because it's mostly financial auditors with an accounting back ground,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And there's three of us E D P auditors and one of the three of us has an accounting background and so she's not real proficient in P C's and the other just has,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] not used P C's that much, so I ended up taking on the load of making sure everybody knows what they're doing and I'm the administrator for our local area network. And I need to keep that going {C and,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] So, } I, I'm, I couldn't live my life without a P C. I don't have one at home,
[speaker001:] We have one at home, but I just don't find the time that I can use it.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Right now I would rather not have one at home, because I would work at home.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Um, we've got a couple of portable lap top P C's at the office that I end up bringing one of them home a lot,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] to do work. If I had a machine already installed at home I would probably work just about every night [LAUGHTER]. [There are many breaks in the tape.]
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] One of the reasons why I got mine, was before I went on maternity leave, they didn't know how they were going to do without me at work because, I am pretty much the, like you said, the guru,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] in the office with the different programs and any trouble shooting that there is,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] and, um, so they didn't know how it was going to work, they knew they were going to have to get a modem so that we could, in the decks machine so that we could, in my home, so that we could make it through this eight weeks or so.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's almost like we could become too dependent on them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And oh, I, we use a lot of free lance.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, that's, uh, pretty much takes up a lot of our day so for as producing transparencies and things.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, um, it, uh, compared to the way the things have upgraded,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Have, uh, really, what's the word I'm looking for, I'm just totally drawing a blank [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But, uh, the way things have changed over the years with the P C and the different programs is just great. It's remarkable the things we can do now, and compared to, you know, a few years.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Just the power, I'm, I'm trying to, uh, get an updated machine. Mine, uh, is just putting along [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] And it's not fast enough for a new four eighty six chip, but, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I don't know [LAUGHTER] if my boss will spring for it.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But I'm determined to brake mine so he has to get me another one.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] We think about that a lot.
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, that's what I do. We had a printer, a Hewlett Packard Ready Writer.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And we had about ten people sharing this printer by, it was attached to like a central P C and you had to take your diskette to the P C to print something.
[speaker001:] Um, now that's awful.
[speaker002:] So the first thing [voice has faded] when I started working at this bank, is, I said, well, now first of all we need to all be able to share this P C without getting up. So I talked my boss into investing in a, it's not a, uh, a uh, real elaborate local area network,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] but we can share the printer and we can, uh, send files to each other,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And we can mail, send mail messages to each other,
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] which is good enough, it's what we need.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And then I talked them into buying a H P Laser Jet.
[speaker001:] Oh, yes.
[speaker002:] And that was a major ordeal to get him to buy it. But once he bought it, he has been so pleased. It's, it's fast, it's quite, oh, it has good copy.
[speaker001:] Right. The copy that you can with one of those as compared to one of those dot matrix printers.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I've got a little, little, uh, I B M Pro Printer on my desk,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but, and I can use either the Pro Printer or I've got my P C configured to where I can use either printer. The one that's on the network or my own.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] So if I just need something real quick, and I don't feel like getting up and going and getting what I printed, I can just print it in my office.
[speaker001:] Um, we're just trying to talk ours into getting a laser printer.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, it's just so, the budget restraints and things like that, it's, makes it difficult and, uh,
[speaker002:] They have gotten really cheap. Hewlett Packard makes, it's actually a dot matrix printer
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] but the quality is almost laser quality.
[speaker001:] Oh, huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And I think it's called the desk jet and they're, you understand, I think they're about five hundred dollars now.
[speaker001:] And we, uh, got a quote on some laser printers the other day at six hundred dollars.
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I don't remember what kind they were, but, uh, we do a lot of transparencies.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] Sometimes the color would take too long to plot out.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So they just want black and white, which see we can just run them through the laser printer real quick.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because it will only take a minute to print one of those out and then run a thermal copy of it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, it, uh,
[speaker002:] So that's all you need for like charts and stuff. You don't need them in four colors.
[speaker001:] No, huh-uh. If it was a customer presentation then that would be different.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We would want to razzle-dazzle a bit. But, uh, it's, uh, yeah. We have one in the office and if we want, well in our area, if we want to use it, we have to, you know, like you said, you had to change it, put it on a disc,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And carry it over to there, and see if they're not using the printer,
[speaker002:] You use the sneak-, system.
[speaker001:] Right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, wait for an opportunity to use it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, we you'd have to just sit and wait while someone else was using the printer.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Until they got off the machine.
[speaker001:] I know, I know, I understand.
[speaker002:] That was, I was amazed when I came to work, I worked at the, uh, well, it used to be the largest bank in San Antonio until N C N B came up and bought the rival and now N C N B.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And now N C N B's got a little larger market share, but it's the only, uh, well, it's part of the bank holding company and that bank holding company of the ten largest banking holding companies in Texas. It's the only one that's still alive.
[speaker001:] Oh, huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Any way, I work in a big prestigious place.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And I couldn't believe when I walked in the door on my first day and here's the audit department of this, this huge holding company, sharing a H P Rugged Writer [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I was going oh, wait a minute [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Come on guys, this is crummy.
[speaker001:] So how are you supposed to expect to stay number one when you're behind the times in technology.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. We're pushing real hard though. We're, we're trying, well, see, the entire bank is not like that. We, the, the bank philosophy is one of innovation and,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Lead the market. It's just the audit department happened to be just a little behind the times because the, uh, the senior vice president, over audits, is cheap.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And it's real hard to pry money out of him to, to do these things, but I was, I was able to convince him that it would be cost effective and that our board presentations would be much better and,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] We find it hard to believe sometimes, or hard to understand when, uh, we work for a computer company, and, uh, how are we supposed to present the imagine that we're supposed to present with equipment that's outdated,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's obsolete and the guys that, some of the guys that run this place are very tight and it's like, Well, why do we need this, can't you do that with, you know, what we have, and when we try and then they complain about, this doesn't look good.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Unfortunately, the, the, uh, computer equipment and, and related peripherals are changing and improving so rapidly, like for instance, we bought a [voices have faded]... |
[speaker001:] okay my views it asked for my views so my views on that are yes I do still consider them a threat
[speaker002:] uh-huh really
[speaker001:] and yes I do and the reason I do is because um I've with uh Gorbachev was raised and his mentor was I because it was Nikita Khrushchev I believe I know it was one of the old old school Russian and uh he he is a definite he is a Marxist Leninist communist through and through
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and Marxist Leninist communism is a threat to the United States because um the whole nature of it is to control the world the the whole goal of the Marxist Leninist theology is world domination
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I do not believe that it has not they've never stated that their goal is not to you know take over the world and they've never repented of all the massacres all the just the you know the hundreds of thousands of uh massacres they've killed more Jews
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and all this and so no I don't trust them a bit I think it's a big scam
[speaker002:] think so
[speaker001:] yes I do I yes I would all but say I know it's a scam you can't trust him he was the head of the KGB for years
[speaker002:] was he
[speaker001:] yes he was for many many years he was trained in the old school of Lenin theology and he he's never changed any of his any of the he he deals in that kind of theology he's you know he might say one thing but what he does is Marxist and Leninist in nature and so
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and so that's why the Russians are so angry with him right now is because they've they know it's a scam and so you know I that's what I feel I don't know what do you feel do you agree with me or disagree
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah um you know it's it's hard to say uh if if things change uh change there so rapidly but uh Gorbachev Gorbachev Gorbachev is I don't know I think I think you you're right he's a chameleon he's just a he's he he's just he seems to have flip flopped on you know uh uh you know when they first came into power when uh President Reagan was in he was this real nice guy and he was
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] trying to uh win everybody in the West over about what oh what a great reformer he was and all this other stuff but then you know now he's uh know now he's uh you know crushing the uh demonstrations and and and trying to close close it off again so I I I can't figure I can't figure him out I don't know if he's being pressured from
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh above or around or uh from other places in in
[speaker001:] well if he got out of line too much from the old school they'd just knock him off I mean they're not going they're not going to permit anyone in that Russian Parliament to get in power that's going to change anything too much so
[speaker002:] yeah that their people are starving I mean they cannot
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] they've got to know that something's got to give because they're in their society you're not at you know it's supposed to be all for one and one for all but that ain't how it works baby I mean that's you know they're not going to do something unless they've got incentives and they don't have any incentives to work
[speaker001:] uh-huh no because they've taken them from the people because the Marxist Leninist theology is to I mean it really is its own religion it it could be classified in theological terms as a religion because it is
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but they deny God self is everything self you know everything is um for me for me for me and therefore
[speaker002:] or for the for the people for the people which means everybody else except you
[speaker001:] right but that's not what they really do they say that but that's not the reality of it even the Bolshevik revolution the whole thing was uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] an attempt to uh gain authority without you know having to be risen up in authority the best way to get Godly authority is to you know work and and work your way to the you know work your way up not being promoted by man because promotion comes from God
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] but when you anytime you see a nation go in and just overtake it and it's take it take authority take control it's a I believe it's a spiritual
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] thing that happens and it's like a spirit of witchcraft it's like a a bad spirit goes over that nation because you have these people that want they're power hungry
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they want all this power and they want to control all these people and it's not for the people it's for themselves and the way you know that is because they didn't work their way up from the bottom up they went in and they took power and they took authority and they
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] took authority and they cut and they stab and and our nation does that a lot too I know it's not necessarily I don't think this is the greatest system either but I just feel like there's just a lot of oppression over the Soviet Union because of that the authority is there to exalt self that's the whole Leninist theology they deny God they deny any creator they've
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] forbade religion for years and years and God's the one that opened the doors for their religion for for Christianity to go in Russia it's not it's not Gorbachev he will not receive the credit for that because one man
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] saying that could not have done anything God had to open those doors and I believe that the the pressure just got so great from the people
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] because that they you know they God just honored their prayers and did a miracle because I don't know we our pastor went to Russia and we work with a lot of churches in Minsk and in Belev Russia and some other places and so I don't know I have a real heart for Russia that's why I think it's funny we got this call because I have a good friend my one of my best friends is going into into the underground church cause it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] basically it's still underground it
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and so they're going in a mission trip into Latvia in about six months and so they're preparing for the trip you know and and it was I sat behind her Sunday and they had their Russia team folder so I thought oh that's cool so anyway so this is kind of one of my little pet babies but anyway I don't know I just
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I think they want a one world order that's what I think I think Gorbachev would like to see a one world order a one world economic community and a one world government with him in charge of it and Bush is going around talking about it too
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and it's like all these pawns on this chess big all these players on this big chess game you know and it's a world championship and who is ultimately going to get the power who's going to get put in checkmate and who's going to be ruled out of the game
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and who's going to have the power over what they want to establish in this one world you know community they're always talking about it all the time
[speaker002:] oh yeah you hear a lot about it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but it it's all that it's it's all that uh the new age philosophy and um
[speaker001:] uh-huh are you a Christian you must be to know new age
[speaker002:] yes oh yes oh yes I know all about the new age philosophy yeah and uh it's
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] but they are in such disarray over there they're not in any position to exalt exert themselves over anybody right now like they were
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean with Eastern Europe falling apart and their whole economic system falling apart they can that that we need to take real advantage of that
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] to to pull their satellites away from them
[speaker001:] but yeah I think that they still are a threat but yet maybe a different ki nd of a threat than a military threat but I do believe that they're a military threat I think
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] just look what we did to Iraq
[speaker002:] well it was with Russian were they fought us with Russian weapons and they've they found out the hard way how bad badly put together the Russian weapons are
[speaker001:] right uh-huh that's true yeah that's true they did didn't they I know it's it's interesting I still wouldn't want to take them on though I still wouldn't want to take them I still think we need to be very careful but I believe that their economic or an economic threat more than anything at this point because they want control over the I know they want control over the European economic community and that you know that's why I see them diversifying their their power and their control that they have
[speaker002:] oh yeah oh yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] and like for you know instead of just being oh big tough Russia but I still believe they've uh they've probably got weapons we can I mean they they never would sell to anybody else
[speaker002:] yeah oh of course
[speaker001:] you know so I guess I feel like yeah they probably I wouldn't want to mess with them but I don't trust them I'm not all like oh yeah they're just like us I I have a heart for the people of Russia no
[speaker002:] no no no not not not for the leaders definitely not for the leaders
[speaker001:] no I wouldn't be surprised if Gorbachev wasn't a satanist wasn't a satanist I'm not kidding
[speaker002:] well they're they're they're a secret they're a secret society they're a secretive society
[speaker001:] right even yeah
[speaker002:] you know and they're not going to let you see what they don't want you to see
[speaker001:] exactly even you know in our own country I mean Bush was in the scull and bones the Trilateral Commission and all these groups with ulterior motives and so it's like what on earth is you know are these people ever here and involved in
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] in the high ranking things I mean when you look at their history and what they've done to their own people what they've done it's like
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] man can we trust them have they repented for what they did have they made a world apology
[speaker002:] no they haven't
[speaker001:] we we repented this was wrong we're going to start seeking God and we're going to start seeing God to do for our nation what needs to be done and even Bush will call a national day of prayer is Bush saved I don't know God knows he says he is and I'm going to trust that with him but I mean it's just no I don't trust them
[speaker002:] yeah no
[speaker001:] you'd be crazy if you trust them but anyway call it what is it McCarthyism no I'm not like that I just got enough common sense that nope to you come repent make a world apology for all the wrongs that you've done and yeah we've done wrongs but we've not done near the atrocities they've done and we need to maybe do that also you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know I'm saying I'm not saying like oh America we're so we're perfect over here I'm not saying that either but that's not what the question asked so boy I could preach
[speaker002:] uh-huh |
[speaker001:] all right are you a music fan
[speaker002:] oh by all means various types um my tastes range from rock and roll to classical in fact about the only type of music that I really find offensive would be uh country western
[speaker001:] oh is that right
[speaker002:] yeah I take that back rap but I consider rap music to be an oxymoron
[speaker001:] yeah I guess I I'll have to agree with you on rap uh that's uh it's not my that's not my style my uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] let's let's see one more question here do you uh do you play an instrument
[speaker002:] yes I do I play two a bass guitar and kalimba
[speaker001:] okay so that's
[speaker002:] I used to play three which was the clarinet but I've that's since gone into disuse
[speaker001:] well now there's there's multiple kinds of country western music uh not that I'm an expert in that uh area but
[speaker002:] yeah well there was rockabilly in the fifties and that's what gave rise to like Carl Perkins uh Jerry Lee Lewis uh Elvis Presley in the beginning
[speaker001:] but there's yeah right
[speaker002:] and that type of music I do appreciate it had some it had it had the spark of creativity it was it was out there
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh since then it's sort of fallen into formula and I guess that's my thing is I have a problem with formula music
[speaker001:] now is is uh I guess the other thing that that uh there there is one kind of music that I don't know I wouldn't consider it country western but but it is in a sense
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] and that's bluegrass what about that
[speaker002:] well I've only been exposed to that minimally and that's usually through occasional you know viewings of concerts of said type on public television
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] did you watch the the did did you watch it for very long or was it just
[speaker002:] oh it was something I had basically for background it was not uh obtrusive
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] it was something I could listen to and uh and do my chores around the house
[speaker001:] okay so you listen to it I I mean it's not
[speaker002:] oh yes
[speaker001:] it not
[speaker002:] it's not completely offensive
[speaker001:] it's not offensive to you is what I'm
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] oh that's that's interesting my uh there for uh a long time uh I I liked folk music but uh folk music is you know a a back in the seventies
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] so to speak sixties and seventies and then
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] and uh then I became a a bluegrass fan and I listened to it all the time and I've got lots of tapes of it and then
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I like but I'm kind of like you I I I mean in some ways I'm like you I I don't uh uh I don't like music that it's this uh where you where you know what the next phrase is going to be because you know they have these dumb rhymes like a lot of I mean the where the how shall I say it the words are just so predictable
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] and although I do laugh at some of the country western things they have this one uh country western song about the guy the perfect country western song and he said it had to have trains and all that stuff trains and mama I don't know if you've heard that one
[speaker002:] oh that that that's cute I would've liked to have heard that
[speaker001:] and then he uh basically said okay so I went back to him and finally it what he came up with was the song about uh his mom got hit by a train and and uh she or it was the day she got out of jail she got hit by a train and and things like that so you know and anyways went to see her in his pickup truck and stuff like that so it was kind of creative I like that but uh
[speaker002:] oh yeah had to have some beer too or or some sort of alcoholic substance
[speaker001:] yeah but uh the thing one of the things that that the northwest I've been told has has got a lot of uh it's kind of the center of activity is uh uh I don't know if you would call it new wave music or or uh new age music I is that it
[speaker002:] new age yes
[speaker001:] yeah George Winston and which is he's a little bit uh uh well he's kind of the recognized uh I don't know if he's the founder of it but
[speaker002:] huh yeah it's like the Windham Hill stuff it's it's
[speaker001:] but they yeah Windham Hill
[speaker002:] yeah it's uh new age classical so to speak
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] well what I what I often uh call air pudding yeah
[speaker001:] now they have some of that uh uh some of it's very interesting and other and and others uh is how shall I say it it's very predictable now that's interesting you'd say the air pudding some people would call it yuppie music
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well I only use it when I'm studying and that's the extent of it it's just it's good background filter stuff and you know it what it is it's pleasant but it's not talent in in my view it's not genius um when I really wish to get into listening pleasure uh with something of that nature I put on Mozart or Beethoven something that will evoke a response something that almost reaches in and and hits those proverbial heart strings
[speaker001:] the I I can respond to that a little bit by uh I spent three years in the Far East and of course the some of the I mean what kids
[speaker002:] uh |
[speaker001:] well Nancy what kind of a personal computer do you have
[speaker002:] uh we still have an old uh Texas Instruments Professional Computer back in the days when TI was making uh computers that were similar to in terms of power to the IBM I don't remember what those were the ATs or something like that or
[speaker001:] something like that yeah I have one of those too
[speaker002:] way back when I don't know where to get any new software for it unfortunately so we just sort of stumble on using the same stuff that we always have
[speaker001:] yeah do you use computers at work or
[speaker002:] um well I used to I have a Master's degree in computer science but I haven't I I took a time out on careers about
[speaker001:] uh-huh so do I
[speaker002:] six years ago when my first one turned a year old and
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] so nowadays I'm teaching him at home and we're using the computer to drill him on math and to let him do some creative writing without having to have uh uh the mechanics of handwriting get in the way of his words this way he can he this way he just has to hunt and peck on the keyboard I have to admit I'd like a
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] a more logical arrangement of the letters and uh what do they call it the Cortiope or something
[speaker001:] something like that
[speaker002:] arrangement
[speaker001:] oh do you use your computer for other things balancing checkbooks do you keep budgets and that sort of thing in it or
[speaker002:] um we haven't for we ended up uh actually just sort of keeping it in the closet for a number of years isn't that a terrible statement people who are we're pretty involved with computers in all sorts of other aspects but um I guess I wanted something that was easier to use than this and that was more intuitive and so we just it just ended up not not getting used I should use it to balance my checkbook but then you have to remember to write it down
[speaker001:] that's right that's right well mine mine kind of died so it's being worked on right now
[speaker002:] or enter it oh my where do you find a place to work on a TI
[speaker001:] I found a technician who works at TI
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and does things like that in his spare time
[speaker002:] well that's nice to know that there are still such people around
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah but I most of the stuff I've used that computer for were work related just bringing work home
[speaker002:] yeah well I used to do that I'd used it um until as I say until I took a hiatus hiatus from working I used to to uh trying to think of what you call it I I used it essentially as a terminal then
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know and
[speaker001:] yeah I've done a lot of that
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] and I suspect most people do uh use them as terminals or have a spreadsheet and a word processor and that's about it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] what else do you need right
[speaker002:] well my kids think I should have games
[speaker001:] well that's probably true
[speaker002:] on top of games on top of games and of course we don't have any I keep telling them well you know just learn how to program
[speaker001:] yeah write your own games right
[speaker002:] write your own games yeah I just
[speaker001:] the computer I work have at work came with uh Windows software and it has a couple of games on it one of which is a solitaire just
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] just standard card solitaire
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but the graphics are so incredible and you can choose what you want the deck of cards to look like you know you can have flowers on the back of them or fishes or oh yes or a robot who has a little gauge that moves in his tummy and
[speaker002:] oh really uh
[speaker001:] I just I just happened to stumble across that of course I don't play games at work right
[speaker002:] no who would do something like that but uh yeah we have basically we use the WordStar on it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know for a bunch of I'm taking a class now and um I'm actually getting a degree in nursing at this point and I asked the and the class I'm taking now all of a sudden they want everything typed till now everything's been handwritten so it was a good thing that the computer was back up and running hooked the printer up to it
[speaker001:] that's right I was going to say you must have a printer then
[speaker002:] right right well I couldn't figure out how to it's been a while since I've gotten it going all right so I tried to hook the printer up and I was sure I put all the
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] connectors in right and everything and had checked to make sure the pins were all facing the right way and I couldn't get the computer to recognize that there was a printer there to save my life and so I was like oh this thing doesn't work and we've lost the you know we've lost the install software documentation what am I supposed to do so my husband took it in to work |
[speaker002:] hobbies do you have
[speaker001:] oh I love quilting crocheting painting uh just a number of things what do you have
[speaker002:] well you've got you you're good at all the things that I'm very poor at
[speaker001:] what are your hobbies
[speaker002:] oh I um I jog and I play the saxophone and the piano
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] I play in a little jazz band a local community band over here
[speaker001:] what part of Dallas are you in
[speaker002:] um North Dallas
[speaker001:] uh what's the name of the town
[speaker002:] I live in Garland uh right on the border of Richardson
[speaker001:] oh he he lives my son lives in Dallas in Plano
[speaker002:] oh quite close
[speaker001:] uh-huh well uh do you have much opportunity to play the saxophone
[speaker002:] quite yeah because I'm in this jazz band I you know we we meet once a week and then we'll have a concert um several times a year we'll go play wherever anybody needs a band
[speaker001:] oh how fun
[speaker002:] yeah we play a lot of um jazz from the from the forties and fifties and it's it's a lot of fun I'm I'm I'm the only girl in the band
[speaker001:] oh oh that would be fun
[speaker002:] and uh well the average the median age has to be about sixty so
[speaker001:] oh my goodness
[speaker002:] so it's a bunch of you know old folks getting together and playing
[speaker001:] um-hum well you don't sound like you're in that category
[speaker002:] no I'm not I'm I'm twenty seven but um I enjoy it a whole lot because they talk about you know a lot of um older musicians
[speaker001:] oh um-hum well I have we I belong to a quilting group
[speaker002:] uh-huh and do you all meet like once a week
[speaker001:] once a month and there's about eleven of us and so we meet every uh once a month and then we each get a turn to have a quilt
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh so you each get a quilt out of it
[speaker001:] and then everybody helps on it uh-huh
[speaker002:] well that's nice
[speaker001:] yeah we get help with the quilt so we enjoy that and then I do a lot of quilting on the side
[speaker002:] on the ones that you um do for your like if you get the quilt do you get to pick what pattern you want or
[speaker001:] yes we furnish the material and the quilt and everything and then people just come that and then we spend all day quilting and have dinner and uh just just get together and visit and quilt
[speaker002:] well that sounds nice
[speaker001:] it is nice we really enjoy that and then in the evenings I I do a lot of crocheting
[speaker002:] crocheting and what kind of things do you crochet
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh afghans uh pillows uh I'm I I'm just doing right now some uh Christmas ornaments
[speaker002:] uh-huh Christmas ornaments well that sounds nice
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah snowflakes and things like that bells balls
[speaker002:] it's always nice to get a few unique ornaments you know that mean something to you
[speaker001:] yes like a we have uh six children and I gave each of them some for their trees this year
[speaker002:] you have quite a large family
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] plenty of quilting to keep you busy
[speaker001:] yes and we have fourteen grandchildren so I'm trying to get a quilt for each one of them oh fifteen after today
[speaker002:] oh my yeah that'll keep you busy right there
[speaker001:] fifteen after today
[speaker002:] yeah that's true well congratulations that's just wonderful what's what's the little child's name
[speaker001:] we don't know yet
[speaker002:] oh they haven't quite decided
[speaker001:] well no it came early and she had to have an emergency C section so we didn't get we they don't have the name yet
[speaker002:] oh well I'm glad everything's all right
[speaker001:] yeah but uh do you have any other uh hobbies
[speaker002:] well I didn't I we jog quite a bit um this
[speaker001:] you and your husband
[speaker002:] my husband and I yes and um we take one of our dogs she jogs with us and just recently I did my first fifteen K which is a little over nine miles
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so hopefully this year I'll be able to do a half of a marathon which is thirteen miles so
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] that's kind of what I'd like to work up to I've been ill a little bit over the holidays so I haven't um had time to um you know do any type of running really
[speaker001:] uh-huh we have two sons that run one's a pilot for American and the other one's a doctor in Cleveland and so they uh they do those marathons too
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh well
[speaker001:] but my husband walks a lot but he doesn't jog
[speaker002:] what kind of painting do you do
[speaker001:] tole painting and uh painting on wood wood things
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] mostly I don't do any oil or anything like that
[speaker002:] my mother just started painting and so
[speaker001:] with what
[speaker002:] uh she started water color and she took a class at the local community college and I wanted her to take another class she wants to um I think get into some drawing by hand because that's what she feel best with
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but other than that I don't have a whole lot of hobbies I've got three pets and they pretty much two dogs and a cat and they keep me kind of busy and
[speaker001:] um well those are hobbies aren't they
[speaker002:] yeah I suppose so
[speaker001:] what kind of dogs are they
[speaker002:] well one of them is part Great Dane in fact we think she's mostly Great Dane but um we found her and then the second dog she looks Black Lab we found her too
[speaker001:] oh oh
[speaker002:] so uh we got a bunch of strays running around the house
[speaker001:] my husband has a little cocker spaniel that walks with him
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] when he when he's here when he doesn't you know he walks at the University of Utah a lot too but he's he uh walks here and takes the dog with her with him
[speaker002:] is he a professor out there
[speaker001:] no no he's an educational specialist
[speaker002:] what kind of what uh what does that mean
[speaker001:] well he is a civilian employee of the Army and he just uh tests uh universities and the high schools to place students where they'd like to be if they join the Army
[speaker002:] oh I see um-hum
[speaker001:] well even if they don't they can still take the test
[speaker002:] have all your kids left home
[speaker001:] yes well yes we have one that's uh on a mission in Germany for our church
[speaker002:] uh-huh well how neat |
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] All right. Well, I am, uh, the product of, uh, I think as much the changing roles of women as anyone, my mother, uh, we come from a, my mother and I were, uh, really, prac-, first generation divorce in our family.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] My, uh, mother was divorced in nineteen, uh, fifty-seven,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] when I was seven years old.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, was, I was the first one, of anyone that, that anyone had ever known, [LAUGHTER] to have a divorce.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Of course, now fifty percent divorces in the United States, uh, my mother, uh, was treated very badly, uh, in a, by a lot of people, family members, um, especially from my father's side of the family, and also, uh, uh, uh, we were, uh,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] ostracized by his family, uh, basically just, you know, uh, we just kind of dropped off the face of the earth.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And, they all felt that th-, there was never an issue that my father was the, was the cause of the reason for the split up, even though he had impregnated another woman and forced the divorce.
[speaker001:] Oh, mercy.
[speaker002:] Uh, it was always my mother's fault, she was not, uh, sufficient, you know, she just was not good enough. What was wrong with her, was she not attractive enough, did she not take good enough care of her man to keep his interest. It was that kind of an attitude.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that, that's too bad.
[speaker002:] [Inhaling] So, uh, yeah it was too bad, it was really rough.
[speaker001:] Um, um, that's sad. It really is.
[speaker002:] Uh, so, {D you know, that's so changing, some of the changing roles of women in that respect, I have been a product of.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, I think that there are people that, I think that, uh, I was a-, I was first generation going to college in my family.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, first, my mother had always had a quote career, but always a career as a, uh, uh, in a secretarial position. She did rise to the highest position that a woman could rise to in a secretarial pro-, profession in Des Moines, Iowa.
[speaker001:] That's, that's wonderful.
[speaker002:] She was a secretary to, uh, uh, the jud-, to, uh, a circuit court judge, federal judge.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it was a lifetime appointment for her as well as for him. So, that was a really high, high status position.
[speaker001:] Well, that's wonderful.
[speaker002:] She made over thirty thousand,
[speaker001:] That speaks,
[speaker002:] a year.
[speaker001:] well of your mother.
[speaker002:] Well, yeah, she a real hard la-,
[speaker001:] She had high standards.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] hard driving lady with a steel rod up her back, you know.
[speaker001:] Oh, bless her heart.
[speaker002:] But, uh, so I went to college and now since have completed two master's degrees and I am the director of music in a church. Um, and but it's interestingly enough, I am still, everyday, confronted with,
[speaker001:] Challenges.
[speaker002:] Absolutely.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Challenges that have to do with my sex.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh, for instance, uh, well, you know, I am just not taken as seriously, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] at professions, as many of the wom-, as many of the men who are doing the same job I do. And, uh, the choir members treat me differently because I am a woman, they expect me to be more motherly, they [NOISE] question my authority more, uh, than they ever would a man. And I have experience with this, because I work at both, both as a director of music and also as an associate under a man.
[speaker001:] Uh-, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So I am pretty, I am pretty ob-, pretty cons-, I mean, I am pretty aware of what goes on
[speaker001:] Surely.
[speaker002:] uh, in the church. So, basically that's, that's, well I am done talking. Do you want to talk? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, I think that you carried forth your subject matter very well, uh, Nickie. And I can, uh, relate to that, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, I think it's, it's the image that the woman has and, uh, in the world,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] as, uh, the lesser of the two.
[speaker002:] Oh, always.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I think things are changing, but the changing is taking a long time longer than we would like it to,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] like it to take. And,
[speaker002:] Indeed.
[speaker001:] uh, I think we are progressing at a snail's pace, but we are progressing.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, that's the main point is that we are going ahead.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I think that, uh, in the long term that women are going to be able to have the recognition [inhaling] that they deserve.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, men, uh, have, a lot of them have, uh, come around and have seen,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the error of their ways.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But there are a lot of die-hards out there that will never change.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So we have to, uh, face that reality also.
[speaker002:] I have never been able to figure out why they can not ever change, why they can not bend. I mean, why they can not just accept, you know, competent women, I, I have never been able to understand that. I guess it's fear [inhaling]. I mean what,
[speaker001:] It could be, if they are af-, they are not sure of themselves.
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] The ones that, uh, go along with that, they are sure of themselves.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And they know that they can, uh, you know, uh, be on the same level.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And they do not have any, uh, ego, uh, problems that they are fighting.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I think that we are going to be, uh, on par with them
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] in salary and in recognition,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] in the long term.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, and I, what I would like to see happen futuristically,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] is what we are discussing,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] is that yes, uh, we each have our, uh, jobs in life,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and that we should recognize that. And that we should support each other.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I think our problems would be fewer,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] if we supported each other.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And just looked at each other as equals and none lesser, because [inhaling] we are equal.
[speaker002:] Men have a lot of trouble with that though.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] They, in their, in their own peer relationships, they do not treat themselves equal, and so it's really difficult for them to treat women as equals. They are, they are really much more comfortable with somebody being the boss and somebody being the follower. Uh, it just seems that, it seems, it seems that they are more comfortable that way. And I do not know if that's, I mean, that's, it's a militaristic point of view I guess, you know, somebody can not be colonel and everybody else is infantry, but it's just really interesting to me. I am married to a wonderful man,
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] you know, who treats me very, you know, with a, with as, I think probably is as enlightened as anyone can be at this particular stage in their life time. But, when he gets angry, it's always over control issues, it's always over power issues, it's never over, you know, it's always, you said you were going to do something and you did not do it. As if he is the boss and I am the, you know, and I am the slave.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it, those are the only, only issues we ever fight about. I think it's just, I think it's just difficult for men to, uh, to accept women equally, even if they want to, they are more comfortable when somebody is the boss [LAUGHTER]. Uh, dictator, dictatorships are real efficient.
[speaker001:] Well, I guess we would have to go back to the way that the Lord made us.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And, uh, the women when they are married, they are to be subjective to their husbands.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And I believe that strongly.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And, uh, but I think that they should be in harmony with what they are, with what the subject matter is.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And I think the issue should be settled [inhaling] before there's a conflict.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, and I think that can happen in a very won-, wonderful way.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] And if we, men and women, would do as the Bible said, that we would esteem each other higher than ourselves.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Can you picture that?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean, if your husband did that to you,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and you did that to your husband,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you would always be trying to please each other and not yourself.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's true.
[speaker001:] And, uh, that's really the, the divine answer,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, and the right answer [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, uh, uh, that would be a beautiful relationship.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, it would be.
[speaker001:] And I think there are some people that have done that,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I have seen it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And it's, it's just marvelous, and I am just in awe to see this, |
[speaker001:] well uh I don't know I think the budget is really out of hand right now and especially in this election year I think that uh there ought to be some at least some conversation about what we are supposed to do about this
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah see it like seems to me you know that everyone's offering you know their token little tax cut program you know when it's when it's just such a bad time for it you know
[speaker001:] right right and uh well as you said mostly they are token cuts uh especially what for instance George Bush is offering
[speaker002:] no it the ninety seven cents a week
[speaker001:] yeah ninety seven cents a week now what that's really not gonna do a lot of good it doesn't seem to me to your average middle income person you know another ninety seven cents hell you can buy a Coke or something for that
[speaker002:] uh-huh hell I mean mostly you know it's it's not actually a a a cut it's just a cut in the with hold in the amount with held you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um yeah I don't just don't see it changing my life style a whole lot
[speaker001:] nah that ninety seven cents really isn't gonna do it for me either uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I I haven't really heard much of what the other people other candidates have said that has made a lot of sense to me either especially the Democratic candidates uh don't seem to be coming up with much that really sparks my interest as far as yeah maybe that could do something to affect our budget at this point
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah I mean you know in in retrospect um was it was it Mondale or Dukakis that said you know I'll I'll tell you right now I'm gonna raise taxes
[speaker001:] I believe it was Dukakis but I I can't
[speaker002:] it was Dukakis yeah I have a lot of respect for him
[speaker001:] yeah I mean that's better than George Bush who came out and said no I will not read my lips or whatever and then you know ten months later he said well sorry you know I I can't follow through on this but it seems to me that uh
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] that the budget is so out of hand and especially now that they say okay the cold war is over and we're supposed to be getting a peace dividend of you know of X number of billion trillion dollars a year well I'd really like to know where where that money is actually gonna go because
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] in my opinion I don't think I'm ever gonna see any of this peace so called peace dividend
[speaker002:] oh yeah I know it it's
[speaker001:] I mean if they could actually put put something together and make I'm not really in favor of large government social programs either because I feel that they waste money also but with this peace dividend it seems like you could set up some kind of like public works
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] projects like they had in the thirties or whatever
[speaker002:] oh yeah I I I I I think that would be a great idea you know like the conservation corps you know where it would it would it would help unemployment greatly
[speaker001:] right exactly exactly and in that way we could really focus on building the infrastructure structure of the country
[speaker002:] and it yeah our infrastructure is in is in I mean we we've we've hurt ourselves incredibly over the last fifty fifty years of the cold war yeah
[speaker001:] yeah and and there's no way that we can ever really recover from from the state that we're in right now unless at least I feel unless we focus on the infrastructure and I surely don't hear anybody saying that right now
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um yeah I I agree totally um I mean we this this it just seems so you know so ridiculous that it was allowed to happen um I I'm in college right now and oh really where do you go
[speaker001:] so am I uh IU
[speaker002:] right I go to Georgia Tech um and in my I had political you know the required political science class a couple of years ago
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum
[speaker002:] and one of the things we discussed was you know were where the budget situation how how the budget situation just got so out of hand and essentially what happened was and I think it was like in eighty in the um tax year of eighty one um
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] Ronald Reagan basically said you know I'm gonna give this much of a tax cut to the tax payers and and created this this ludicrous budget that he knew that that um that the Congress would not in the right mind pass and Congress Congress realizing that they were gonna lose a the Democratic Congress realizing that they were gonna lose a propaganda war you know by by you know slicing by by removing the tax cut
[speaker001:] right uh-huh
[speaker002:] further cut the taxes and created you know that that that you know what created the the huge deficit that year which moved us into the trillion dollar deficit
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and you just I mean it's just
[speaker001:] you you just have to wonder what they're thinking in Washington
[speaker002:] I mean it's just like you know playing chicken with a loaded gun
[speaker001:] yeah uh well it's it's more than a loaded it's a loaded cannon I mean they've got trillions of dollars to spend every year and they in my opinion don't do a very responsible job of spending that money
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum well yeah and what really bothers me is it just seems like if if anyone were to say you know well I'm gonna raise taxes and cut the budget and we're gonna have you know we're we're gonna we're gonna have to do some unpopular things I mean he wouldn't have a chance of getting elected
[speaker001:] oh no
[speaker002:] I mean it's kind of like Rome and the bread and circuses thing you know where where people just want want to have
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know what ever will make them feel good right now you know and
[speaker001:] for the for the moment and that's what really is getting me about what George Bush's stand on the budget is right now is that he is saying I am gonna give you this ludicrous little tax cut so that you'll be happy come November and you'll elect me again
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and then I'm gonna go on and just forget everything that I said or you know it doesn't seem that it's gonna make much of a difference
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum yeah that I mean I don't know I I I don't I don't think George Bush will make the American people happy with ninety seven cents a week
[speaker001:] no no not at all
[speaker002:] well I just don't think it was a well thought out incentive
[speaker001:] no |
[speaker001:] this is the first I have used this have you talked to anyone before
[speaker002:] only one time before
[speaker001:] okay uh I understand that we're supposed to talk about pets so do you have any pets
[speaker002:] that's right I sure do I was just feeding them all I have a a large aquarium
[speaker001:] oh what do you have
[speaker002:] and
[speaker001:] that sounds fishy
[speaker002:] excuse me
[speaker001:] that sounds fishy
[speaker002:] yeah it is
[speaker001:] I don't guess you make any waves though do you
[speaker002:] no I've got I've got a lot of fish in my aquarium and I've also got a dog who is sitting out there in the rain wishing I'd let him in but I yeah it's raining here
[speaker001:] rain where what part of town are you in
[speaker002:] uh real far north just north of Addison yeah
[speaker001:] oh really well I'm out in Garland so it's not raining uh well it may be raining I haven't been outside
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's raining out here and I just steam cleaned my carpet today and I really don't wanna let the dog in
[speaker001:] oh bless his heart what kind is it
[speaker002:] he's a a mutt he's part Schipperkes and part Chow
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and he's he's real cute he's a he can turn me into a real sucker sometimes but
[speaker001:] can he get in out of the rain
[speaker002:] uh oh yeah he has a house but
[speaker001:] oh he just wants to give you the guilt trip
[speaker002:] well he usually spends all his time with us the whole time
[speaker001:] I see oh well that's good that's good
[speaker002:] so how about yourself do you have any
[speaker001:] well I used to have a poodle and he died and so my neighbor's cat has adopted me so it comes in and to see me and I have it a bed made on the little patio outside and
[speaker002:] um-hum oh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I think it's adopted me so I think it's my cat now because I even took it and had its shots but because it's so friendly
[speaker002:] oh you're kidding uh
[speaker001:] I was afraid she hadn't well I'll ask her she had not had it's shots so I was concerned so I took it and had the shots
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's not good
[speaker001:] no it's a beautiful gray cat it's real sweet but anyway I'm I have to travel a lot right now in about um another year I'll probably get another dog because I'll be through traveling
[speaker002:] uh-huh huh uh-huh so you're a dog person huh
[speaker001:] well I think so I don't know how to handle cats
[speaker002:] really I I used to have a cat and he actually he died this summer but uh I had him for thirteen years and when we got this dog I didn't know what to do it just I never had a dog before in my whole life
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and it was it's really different to have a different type of animal
[speaker001:] well I I just don't know much about cats and I um I don't know why I don't they see to themselves I think more than dogs do so that
[speaker002:] yes they do they're very self sufficient and they don't demand nearly as much attention or care
[speaker001:] that's right they say you you um have a dog but you what is the saying that you never really own a cat that you may own a dog but you the cats just kind of tolerate tolerates you
[speaker002:] yes that's right that's right
[speaker001:] well do you um um have your are you going to breed your dogs
[speaker002:] no huh-uh he's been neutered
[speaker001:] oh its just just for fun huh
[speaker002:] oh yeah he's just a pet and he he actually has turned out to be a great watchdog too so
[speaker001:] uh-huh have you been to North Park to see the kennel they have over there this year that you can adopt a dog you know for the holidays
[speaker002:] no uh no I haven't well I certainly don't need another one
[speaker001:] that's real cute well don't go over there then because it really hurt touches you when you see those that are up for adoption
[speaker002:] I know well you know I went before we got this dog we were looking around and we went to um some humane societies and that sort of thing and they would not allow us to adopt a dog
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh how come
[speaker002:] because we both work and they required someone to be home all the time and quite honestly I think probably some dogs got put to sleep that could've had a good home I mean
[speaker001:] oh well I didn't realize that because I most people do work now and uh that's surprising
[speaker002:] yeah that's right yeah and I was too and and also there you know they come out and inspect your property and make sure you have a fence it has to be like an eight foot fence and our fence only happens to be six feet I mean I'm not
[speaker001:] but your little dog can't go over an eight foot fence
[speaker002:] no no I just
[speaker001:] so did you have to end up buying him
[speaker002:] yeah we ended we ended up we got him it was sort of a flea market but they had a pet store had a little shop setup
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and yeah we ended up buying a dog which isn't you know really what I wanted to do but I couldn't pass the requirements
[speaker001:] yeah isn't that I didn't realize that well did you go to
[speaker002:] and yeah and I'll tell you my dog is spoiled
[speaker001:] well somebody told me that the Richardson kennel was good or the Richardson
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] what do you call it where they pound I guess is real good about letting you have them there so I don't know
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I guess we should've tried the pound but the humane society uh wasn't interested in giving us a pet so
[speaker001:] huh well that's terrible
[speaker002:] yeah I thought it was too but
[speaker001:] I don't know how long we're supposed to talk do you
[speaker002:] um it's usually like five minutes not too long
[speaker001:] okay so I well does it does the recording come on or something
[speaker002:] no you just sort of decide when you're done talking and that's it did you
[speaker001:] okay well do you work in Dallas
[speaker002:] yeah I work at TI yeah
[speaker001:] oh TI I see oh so you're part of the program then
[speaker002:] well I just found out about it through a different department um I don't know anyone actually well I I might
[speaker001:] uh-huh |
[speaker001:] All right.
[speaker002:] Um, there was a crime here in McKinney,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, a rather heinous murder. There was no um, remorse shown by, uh, at least one of the perpetrators.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And yet, for whatever reason, um, his crime was not considered a capital crime.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] An, and quite honestly I, I feel very strongly that the, man ha-, the has no redeeming social values and if, if and when he comes, gets free again,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] he will have no compunction but to complete that, that same kind of lifestyle, I mean continue that same kind of lifestyle,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] and perhaps do the same thing again. So, it really bothers me that there's not a way of getting him out of the way forever.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Really, I think that, I don't know, I don-, I don't think our prison system isn't set up,
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] where we, um, rehabilitate, or, you know, restore anybody. I think it'll only make them worse, but, I, I believe that God can come in and change a person's heart and genuinely change it, but, that doesn't negate that you do reap what you sow. And if you do kill a person and it is, you know, you're found to be guilty, I believe God establishes the authority of our court system and I believe that, you know, that I do believe that capital punishment is, uh, alternative. Even, you know, God can still change your heart but that doesn't mean, like the alcoholic that charges up all the bills on the credit card, or the shopaholic, you know you get your life right with God but you still have to pay your Visa bill.
[speaker002:] That's, that's right [breathing].
[speaker001:] You still have to, you know, so, but God sent us his grace and they give pardons but I believe if it's a genuine conversion, there's a genuine, and those prison people know, they know a genuine turnaround in a person's character, they see that.
[speaker002:] But, yeah.
[speaker001:] And, I, I worked in a prison in Fort Worth.
[speaker002:] Did you?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I have a degree in social work. You see it, you know the ones that have a genuine character change.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It is obvious. And they know that. They're, they're not going to pardon someone from the governor, you know what I'm saying, they're not going to go, without going through every channel of authority in the prison. So I feel like you know, that's is, there is occasions where there are, they do spare lives and, you know, I leave that with the governor, who, of course, is going to go through every authority because they want to be be reelected, so [throat clearing].
[speaker002:] Yes but, my concern is,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] first of all that not all, all persons who I think, should be receiving capital, uh,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] whatever, capital, uh, tha-, [breathing] uh, th-, uh, hum,
[speaker001:] Punishment.
[speaker002:] punishment, thank you, I'm sorry, I just got home from work and I'm just kind of spaced out a little bit.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's okay.
[speaker002:] Uh, that, not all of them are being convicted of it, that, that, the, the, they're not even being charged with that appropr-, I agree with you that, that,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] a person's heart can be changed, but the same God that can work that miracle also established the laws that said, um, for certain kinds of [Pause] sin, certain kinds of, of, uh, breaking of the law, there would be a capital punishment.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Right then it was, it was, uh, almost immediate.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] As soon as, as the trial was over, then it was stoning.
[speaker001:] Right, but, in, in the Old Testament,
[speaker002:] We don't have a speedy trial, we don't have speedy, um, punishment and so it kind of loses its meaning,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah.
[speaker002:] if you sit on death row for months and years and so forth [breathing].
[speaker001:] Right, we don't, well, yeah we definitely have lost the Judeo-Christian ethic of the judicial system for sure, but the ba-, the base is still there, the foundation is still there, though, bu-, of the system, but, I know what you're saying, uh, but also, they're under a law, because we haven't been removed from the law we've just been taken out from under, under a law. Because under the law if your child mo-, back talks you,
[speaker002:] [Clicking].
[speaker001:] he would be stoned.
[speaker002:] That's correct.
[speaker001:] He, under the law he would be stoned, so we've been removed from the law, of un-, from being under the law but we're still, you know, we're still accountable to it. We don't need to back talk, but, you know, it's like God changes your heart to not do that. He changes your heart not to look upon a woman in lust. Because in the Old Testament, they could look all they wanted, just couldn't do it. But in the new, he's looking at your heart and so, I guess that's what, what I mean by their character changes and, you know, what I mean, it's like looking beyond what they're doing and looking at a heart and seeing what is the heart, what's the character showing me here. And, those, and then any of, if I don't think see, if I don't believe that there's not a character change and the authorities agree, that this person needs to be excused, I believe for murder, uh, rape, I even believe incest, things [throat clearing],
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that will permanently damage, uh, the character of the child. I believe crimes against children should be punished bu-, by, by death. I believe,
[speaker002:] I tend to agree on that, very strongly.
[speaker001:] sexual crimes, unless there's a true change of character. And that's where we just have to, to trust the authorities. And they're not going to excuse people, if it was, was run like that, I don't, there would probably be very few exceptions to that and if it was done quickly and done swiftly and, but it's not, because the judicial system has rejected, they've rejected the answer to all these problems they have, pretty much.
[speaker002:] Plus the, all the judicial system is overloaded with,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] all kinds of, um, problems, and crimes and so forth and then all of the, um, civil things that clog the courts,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and having sat on both, uh, uh, criminal and a civil, uh, jury,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] some of what goes through our courts is a total waste of time.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Because we're suit happy.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, but back to the, to the capital situation, sounds like you and I have a lot of, of, of, uh, common ground at least as, as far as, as capital punishment is concerned.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I would like to see some, some kind of reform, or some kind of streamlining so that, if a person is, um, convicted,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [throat clearing].
[speaker002:] and sentenced to, to death, that that automatic appeal which goes in could be more quickly dealt with.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah.
[speaker002:] And, and go ahead and get the punishment phase out of the way, because it doesn't do the criminal or the victim's family,
[speaker001:] Yeah. Anybody, yeah.
[speaker002:] r-, r-, any of us, the taxpayer any good to have him sitting around for months and years.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] An, an, bu-, him could be a her.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But.
[speaker001:] I know in Jamaica, uh, it think it's Jamaica, I think it's Jamaica, I know that they have, you know, crimes punishable by death, and I'm sure they hit a few every now and then, and I wouldn't want to be one of them, that are not guilty. But, I know that they have like, uh, their, crime rate, it's not Jamaica, I don't think, I can't remember which, it's, uh, one of the Caribbean Islands and, and they, [talking] Singapore, is it like that? My husband's going Singapore. And they don't have a lot of the crime because there is a law and the law is enforced. And that's what, wh-, when you have lawlessness, I mean the law's not being enforced and all that does is lawlessness. We were, we went on a mission trip to Manhattan and to the Bronx and stuff, two years ago, and all these kids were up on there getting arrested for crack and everyone was out, uh, we were across from that big bus station, I forget what you call it, but anyway, and everyone, they had like fifteen people lined up on the fence and within two hours, there were fifteen boys sitting there doing the same thing.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And, you'd see the same kid who were back out there in two days.
[speaker002:] That's sad.
[speaker001:] Because, there's no, the answer is not being given to them, in the court system and I think initially, when our country was set up, it was set up with God and it was really an integral part, and no, you can't, you can't force people, but I think people are hurting and they're out doing crack sitting on the street. They were the kind of people that, I think mostly, we would want to receive it. If it was presented to see. I don't know, I guess, I'm kind of frustrated that, you know, we've gotten away from the Christian basis that our court system was founded upon. I mean, it reeks of the BIBLE, just, the whole thing, the whole system. And, so I feel like if that was presented more openly, and not just relying upon, and para-church ministry to come in and do it, that, that the system itself, you know, you know what I mean.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I feel like that might be better, if it was run on a more scriptural basis, which would include, you know, you know, and expediting the penalties and just getting it over with.
[speaker002:] However, certain uh, very liberal minded groups who do not, um, subscribe to the same ethical system that you and I do,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] such as the, uh, civil liberties unions and so forth,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] will lobby against that and hold that out as long as they have breath.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Which is most unfortunate because we all lose out,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] when people go so far out to the extreme, on either side.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Because too, too often, there can be extremism that, that hurts from, from any direction,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] regardless of wha-, whatever you're arguing or concerned about.
[speaker001:] Right. Yeah, I know, you're right, they would lobby that and, and I see that, and that's why, you know, I'm like, okay, what's my role in this thing, [LAUGHTER], you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] what's my part, because I don't think the system is going to get fixed. I think it's crippled... |
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Well let's start with you [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Okay, um, the last movie I saw was the FIVE HEARTBEATS and I liked it a lot because it had a lot of music in it.
[speaker002:] FIVE HEARTBEATS?
[speaker001:] Yeah it's,
[speaker002:] Who, who was in that.
[speaker001:] It's, it's, uh, Robert Townsend movie.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Um, I, I don't know all the actors or anything, but it was just, it was a lot of music a lot of old songs, things like that.
[speaker002:] When was it out?
[speaker001:] Um, it's still out now, uh, it came out I guess about a month or, about a month and half ago, something like that. It's about a Black singing group. It, and, uh, it was called the DELLS,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, it was kind of like just about their,
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] their life, and their, uh, history and things like that and the way they went from, from, how they went from stardom to nonstardom.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, that was pretty good. I enjoyed, I saw DANCES WITH WOLVES. Have you seen that?
[speaker002:] Yeah, I saw that one, that was pretty good.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, that won best picture, I think.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And Costner got best director.
[speaker001:] Yeah, right now Kevin Costner, I mean, he's starring in everything. He's doing the Kennedy movie that's coming out, um, and there's one,
[speaker002:] Another Kennedy movie, huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, starring Kevin Costner, and let me see, what else. Um, he's doing some other movie, I can't, I think ROBIN HOOD, that's it, the ROBIN HOOD coming out and he's going to be in also. And, let me see, what else have I seen. What have you seen?
[speaker002:] One comes to mind here and I ca-, not sure about the name, has Meryl Streep and, um, what was the name of that? Anyway the ba-, the premise of the story is that, uh, uh, uh, you go to a pla-, after you die you go to a place called Judgment City.
[speaker001:] Oh, I know what you're talking about.
[speaker002:] And, um, anyway,
[speaker001:] My.
[speaker002:] uh, I can't remem-, the other, the other actor, uh,
[speaker001:] It's called REVIEWING MY LIFE, or something like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah and, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I didn't get to see that.
[speaker002:] D-, DEFENDING YOUR LIFE.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's it, okay.
[speaker002:] DEFENDING YOUR LIFE, and it's, it's an excellent movie,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, it's pretty entertaining, uh. Let's see, what else have I seen lately, um.
[speaker001:] One of my favorite movies, it's not one that I haven't seen, I, w-, it's not a late movie. It's, uh,
[speaker002:] HOME ALONE.
[speaker001:] FATAL ATTRACTION [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Okay, yeah.
[speaker001:] It's probably my all time, well not all time favorite, but one of my favorites,
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] that I can watch over and over.
[speaker002:] Ye-, di-, well, did you ever see HOME ALONE?
[speaker001:] No, I never did, I, I heard it was really good, I've never, just haven't gone out to see it.
[speaker002:] That was a, that was a good one, too.
[speaker001:] Was that pretty funny?
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's pretty good, and, um.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, somehow just never made it to see that, but I need to see it.
[speaker002:] I can't believe I'm just drawing a blank, because, I've s-,
[speaker001:] Yeah, FATAL ATTRACTION, that, I don't know why I like that movie so much, I guess it was so much suspense.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I like suspense.
[speaker002:] That kind of reminds me like, uh, did you ever see, this is going way back, uh, JAGGED EDGE.
[speaker001:] Yes, uh-huh, yeah, on that order.
[speaker002:] Tha-, that was a good one too, yeah.
[speaker001:] Certainly is.
[speaker002:] But, uh.
[speaker001:] And I liked the woman that played in that, I forgot what her name is now.
[speaker002:] Yeah that's,
[speaker001:] Anne Archer [pause] she's the one, she was the wife in FATAL ATTRACTION, yeah,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] and she played in, uh, narrow margin which was a little more recent,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and that was kind of another suspense type, Alfred Hitchcock type thriller.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That was good. Uh, God, I guess I haven't seen too many movies lately. I need to,
[speaker002:] I haven't seen a whole lot either, but [throat clearing],
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I know I'm drawing a blank on what I've seen.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Somehow, I mean it's hard for me to get to movies now because it's getting so expensive, you know, I'd, I'd rather rent.
[speaker002:] I know it's [throat clearing], it's obnoxious,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] because you go in there and you spend six bucks a ticket, but then you end up spending another six dollars on food.
[speaker001:] Yeah and that's just for a bok-, a bucket of popcorn, you know.
[speaker002:] And a pop, you know, so it's, it gets pretty,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, God forbid you should want something to drink with it, but, uh.
[speaker002:] Yeah like if I, so if I take a date,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it, it cost me, you know, twenty bucks, easy.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah easily.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I don't know.
[speaker001:] And you're usually going to do, you're usually going to go to a dinner, go to dinner or something with that.
[speaker002:] I was going to say, you, you know, you can find certain restaurants that are nice,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and have good food for ea-, eat for thirty dollars.
[speaker001:] It's almost more fun really, yeah, it's almost more fun really to rent movies. You know, just kind of stay at home, maybe.
[speaker002:] Yeah, the problem is you always have to wait until they're out.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's true too.
[speaker002:] So that's what you're, you're, uh, dealing with.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but then you can make your popcorn and you know, be comfortable.
[speaker002:] That's true, that is true.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] Well that's about all the movies I've seen recently [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I ought to open the paper here because I know I've seen a few that have, have played. But, um, [pause] I just can't come up with any names here,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] haven't, haven't been to one for a little while, but, um. Did you ever see KINDERGARTEN COP?
[speaker001:] No, I never did.
[speaker002:] That was pretty good.
[speaker001:] Was that Arnold Schwarzenegger?
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] But, um.
[speaker001:] There's a movie I do want to see, uh, I haven't seen it, what is it, oh,
[speaker002:] Oka-,
[speaker001:] KISS BEFORE DYING.
[speaker002:] Yeah, whose in that?
[speaker001:] It looks, it looks pretty suspenseful.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Another one I saw is called the OBJECT OF BEAUTY. I don't re-, recommend that,
[speaker001:] [Clicking].
[speaker002:] as much as, uh, DEFENDING YOUR LIFE, but, it was, it was all right, kind of funny. [pause] Um, but, um, what else has been on and about.
[speaker001:] Are you looking in the paper?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] I'm trying to, I wanted to get to the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, I hear that,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, that was great.
[speaker002:] Oh, did you see that?
[speaker001:] Yes, that was, that, that might be one of my all time favorites too, that was an excellent movie. It was pretty scary because I was visiting a V A Hospital, uh, near to where I live and they were saying that some of the patients there, you can't leave by themselves, because they'll make a weapon out of anything, you know, out of a piece of paper, they can kill somebody, you know.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And this guy in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS Hannibal Lector, he was, he was that kind of person, and you, they couldn't leave him alone and that's, that's what was so scary about the movie, you know.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Because he was such an awesome character, you know, it was, it was really fas-, he was very dangerous, but you were kind of on his side because he was so fascinating.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] But, but they couldn't leave him alone at all. And they found out what happened when they did leave him alone one time, but I won't tell you that, just in case you see the movie.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I'll probably try to go se-, to see it in a little while here.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, oh very good.
[speaker002:] But it's been out for a while.
[speaker001:] Oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm not sure when it will be hitting video stores, it should be a while yet, though.
[speaker002:] Have you heard anything on, like, OUT FOR JUSTICE.
[speaker001:] Oh, I haven't heard anything about it. I, but I don't like Steven Seagal things, uh, [LAUGHTER] so.
[speaker002:] Has he had, has he had very many other movies out?
[speaker001:] He's had OUT FOR JUSTICE and there was one right before that with a similar title like, uh, I don't know some, I don't know, some macho title. [LAUGHTER] That's why, I,
[speaker002:] Because it's a macho movie.
[speaker001:] I just don't like the, yeah, it is, I, I don't like that a lot. I don't watch a lot of Arnold Schwarzenegger or anything like that either.
[speaker002:] Speaking of that I think TERMINATOR TWO is supposed to be out.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, that might be good, though, that might be good.
[speaker002:] I don't know, I've enjoyed a lot of his movies,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, they just, they're action filled, and a little bit of humor,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh.
[speaker001:] I guess, I'm not fond of the action packed movie,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] where they're always chasing or fighting, or, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I like the more, movies that make you think.
[speaker002:] Yeah, did you ever see, um, um, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY?
[speaker001:] No, I haven't seen that yet, and that's something I really should have seen. Was that good, did you see it?
[speaker002:] I haven't, I haven't heard much lately.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I just remember when it first came out that it had kind of mixed reviews.
[speaker001:] Yeah, a friend of mine saw it and she said it was okay,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, it wasn't anything spectacular.
[speaker002:] You expect more out of, uh, Julia Roberts, though.
[speaker001:] Yeah, the previews looked so good [pause] that I wanted to see it but I never did, uh.
[speaker002:] Did you ever see the original F X movie.
[speaker001:] Yea-, well I saw half of it, and I remember I was in school, I saw half of it and I fell asleep and everyone else watched it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing] Oh, okay, because I was going to say I always enjoyed that, I, I, uh, I remember that movie,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, it was, I mean I got in to it, and, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] they have F, F X TWO out, I don't know if,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, I really need to go see the original one, I'm sure it was a good movie, I just, I probably had a test that day, or something, I don't know.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it was one of those that has a lot of twists in it,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, I can't put it exactly on the lines of the JAGGED EDGE, but it, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah.
[speaker002:] kind of on that end, you know, you get these twists and, it's usually pretty good, but, uh.
[speaker001:] I think, I think though, that movies are losing their luster.
[speaker002:] What's that?
[speaker001:] I think movies are losing their attractiveness, just to a lot of people. Just, I think, I don't know, because of the cost and, I think it, it's just losing its originality or something. I don't, I can't pin, pinpoint it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah [throat clearing].
[speaker001:] But it doesn't seem like it's as big, uh, rage to get the movie theater as it used to be.
[speaker002:] That's probably true. I, I, I just you see the same story lines, different characters and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah, exactly.
[speaker002:] um, I don't know, it's, it's, it's hard to say. An, and I know I don't, you, know, I don't keep up with it,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] you know. But, uh, I don't try to ju-, ju-, just for that reason, it is a, it does cost a lot,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so why go out and see something right away, you know, you kind of wait and if something gets really good reviews, maybe you'd finally go spend the twelve bucks,
[speaker001:] Right, right, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know to go to it. But, um, you know, I haven't been to a g-, to an opening for, oh, you know ages,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Just because. |
[speaker001:] do you think should be done for the the uh huge budget we have
[speaker002:] uh uh well I think the first thing that every every time they talk about it they they say well we can't cut this or we don't need to cut this out of the budget because it's such a small amount in comparison to the overall decifit deficit but I think they need to start doing it I mean the taxes are going to grow so high there's no way we'll ever pay off what we owe now our children is going to pay it
[speaker001:] yeah I know Graham Krugman that guy Krugman was it uh Grudman he's he's not going for we elected him for that uh again and he said that he didn't think that we'd ever be able to have uh balanced budget
[speaker002:] I don't think so they had an article in the paper here the other day about
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] the interest alone in the year two thousand's going to be more than John Kennedy's entire budget
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and when it's it's gone ridiculous now I don't know what's going to happen
[speaker001:] we'll be like California soon right or what or New York
[speaker002:] bankrupt
[speaker001:] yep totally everything yeah the year two thousand that uh we'd be totally dependent on foreign capital and
[speaker002:] I think so like Japan
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh I don't know if that's such a bad thing one so once Japan becomes if we're dependent on them they're most certainly dependent upon us I don't think that the world market would would be as possible for them with out us I mean I don't think Europe is consumer oriented as we are
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] they more or less have to sell to us whether where else would you sell that many Toyotas and Hondas and stuff it'd have to be here
[speaker001:] well you go were the money is and if you don't have the money anymore then that's that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] I don't know I think the first thing we could do is uh I'd like to see Congress attached to the decifit or you know or
[speaker001:] performance right
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] attach performance
[speaker002:] yeah performance calls like you might have at work or or I might have too
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] certainly do
[speaker002:] you do I do too uh it's uh I don't know why they should be uh unregulated and and over the last twenty years we've strictly gone down hill and the salary's gone up
[speaker001:] well actually their well that's one thing but we also got to change the voting stuff and the uh special interest groups and all that stuff you know we we take a lot of the blame for it we have to start voting we have to start talking we have to start uh doing something about it but we're so apathetic it's almost ridiculous
[speaker002:] well for one thing uh we've got lives to live I mean for us to uh to stay knowledgeable on all these issues it's a full time job
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean I go to work every day just like you do I don't I can't sit down and keep up with all of this that's why we elect them
[speaker001:] oh I understand that but we have to go to vote
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] we have to uh participate in political parties or something uh those kinds of things and we don't even do that
[speaker002:] no I I don't even think uh participation would have as far as democrats and republicans go it'd have to be a third party
[speaker001:] oh still I mean we have the right to do it we don't do it that's the whole problem we don't exercise those rights I don't know I think part of the things is maybe a value added tax like what they have in Europe I mean um that would definitely cut down on the consumerism and which really pushes a lot of the uh you know it'd be a good way of getting revenues and all so bring in line towards savings and and putting money into uh instead of spending into investment
[speaker002:] um you know do you sometimes think it's got to a hopeless position now that there's nothing we could do to reverse it
[speaker001:] well I don't know I think if people put their minds to it they can do it it's just a matter of mobilizing uh you know the people that do it it's a very difficult task I'm not saying that any of this is easy
[speaker002:] you know we're we're talking about numbers that I can't even comprehend the numbers were too large for me
[speaker001:] yeah well think about the wars the nuclear situation and all that talking about the numbers of atomic bombs and how many times you can bomb the world over and how incredible that was and now you you know that's coming to a point where that's less likely less and less likely right economic ruling brought that down |
[speaker001:] now um we're driving a nineteen eighty five uh Buick Park Avenue that's still on the road
[speaker002:] you must have a family
[speaker001:] yeah it's uh it it's an interesting car with all sorts of problems that crop up now that it's in it's seventh year
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh like anytime anything happens it's immediately five hundred dollar repair or
[speaker002:] ooh
[speaker001:] what have you so I uh you know in looking for the next car that we get here we're gonna look for something that has a very good track record that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] isn't going to cost us a bundle every time something goes wrong
[speaker002:] well I can tell you about reliability the last two cars I've had have both been Honda Accords and uh I mean it's probably it's not a huge car but it's been very reliable and uh I was just very impressed by it uh when I first looked at it and when I talked to other people that had Hondas they cost a little more and when I was looking for them the dealer just wouldn't negotiate at all because they're such a big demand but it had all the features I needed the uh you know the power and the uh adjustability and power windows and things like that and the dashboard just looked good to me it was just no nonsense had the the speedometer uh speedometer and the tach and the couple of other little gauges like engine heat but none of the you know big flashy electronic stuff
[speaker001:] yeah I I've continually I've come to learn in having this car that it was fully loaded when we got it and the problem is it's the fully loaded gives the car more chances for things to go wrong
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker001:] that make it not drivable and I'd heard good things about the Hondas uh especially the Accord um but uh you know we've been we've been we've been an American car family for the most part for um a long time not because of any great desire to like wow we're just going to buy American because it's American
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] but but I don't know it's just been traditional type of uh General Motors type of car the last car we had was a um um a Grand Prix which never again
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that was a nightmare that one that I mean the thing just literally fell apart as time went on
[speaker002:] God well it's well if you like American cars it's a good thing that they're getting better I'll tell you that you
[speaker001:] yeah it's it's been you know the the Park Avenue this year that's come out you know being a very high end type car uh they put a lot into it this year but the one in eighty five
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] apparently was a problem year for them because they you know what's happened is most people have just gotten rid of them as soon as you know they pass the three year mark and things start going they go and buy a new car
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] well with the Northeast and the recession up here
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know that's certainly not an easy option and uh we've kind of stuck with it trying to keep it you know we figure sooner or later we'll probably replace everything on the silly thing and
[speaker002:] maybe it'll work right then huh
[speaker001:] yeah I know know then when one of the doors fall off then it's time to get a new car you know
[speaker002:] great yeah well Chrysler is supposed to be when if you're looking at reliability Chrysler's supposed to be one of the best American cars right now and the American cars the uh one advantage one advantage one big advantage they still have is you can typically find them for a lot less
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so anyway but uh some of the other things I like about well some of the things I don't like usually are um the flashy stuff you know the all the doors lock when you do something or uh um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I used to now I'm getting more to where I think I might like a a sun roof on my next car
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I'm not really sure about that because I'm very much a person who uh likes to drive around with every with all the windows closed and the air conditioning on so I can hear my stereo well but you know so a sun roof or or a tee top or something like that you're just going to have to crank the stereo up to compete with the wind noise
[speaker001:] well you're in a climate that's a little bit more where you have need the air conditioning more than we do up here
[speaker002:] you bet they don't sell any cars down here without it you know
[speaker001:] yeah see up here it's it's definitely definitely an option type thing because we only have about three months of really hot weather
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] everything else is fairly moderate then we have the world famous Rochester slash Buffalo winters so a sun roof is really a snow roof you know ooh look snow
[speaker002:] yeah great
[speaker001:] I mean I think what else you're going to see you know looking up at your doom as the snow comes pummeling down but
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh no
[speaker001:] well that's the other thing is a car needs to be able to handle the salt up here that they pour on the roads
[speaker002:] that's right right
[speaker001:] and that's what kills cars up here is you know the salt rusts them out and then they die years before you you know a car from California might be undrivable
[speaker002:] right or or they they die of rust years before their major systems would otherwise go out
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's what happened basically to our last car I mean it just this rust took over and |
[speaker001:] well I don't know if there's gonna be a solutions to the US budget
[speaker002:] well I know it's in pretty disastrous shape for sure
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's only getting worse exponentially it seems um
[speaker001:] yes exactly there's uh maybe some short term things that they can do and it hurts everybody's pocket of course but um I know that state has uh cutback uh raises for a year to help uh the uh state financial or whatever you might want to say to get better in a better condition that
[speaker002:] um-hum oh which state is that
[speaker001:] uh state of Minnesota
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so there's the potential that perhaps you know the US budget might wanna take a look at it's uh federal employees or and take a look at saying well let's freeze wages I mean everybody's doing it so it isn't like uh private business has had to do it so it might have to be something that they might consider doing as a shirt that's got to be very short term
[speaker002:] um-hum right right
[speaker001:] and and the only other avenue that I can think of is um looking at where they're spending the money and not so much as saying well we're spending too much in that area as perhaps looking at what is costing them the moneys uh
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] for for instance I think you probably remember the military getting caught um with toilet seats that cost them four hundred five hundred dollars
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and it was just I mean you can go to Kmart and buy them for uh eight dollars or I think six dollars or whatever for toilet seats so
[speaker002:] yep yeah definitely I think that there's probably a lot of
[speaker001:] so it gives you an idea that
[speaker002:] waste in defense and in government funded research in the first place
[speaker001:] sure sure so
[speaker002:] I mean there was um people at Stanford who were soaking the government you know using millions of dollars of research money to um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] for the President to buy beach homes or whatever it was
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I think that that may be more widespread
[speaker001:] than we think sure
[speaker002:] than well than we'd like to think but but then
[speaker001:] sure yeah
[speaker002:] you know it's something that's hard to enforce too I'm sure
[speaker001:] um-hum it sure is the you know as far as I think there was something with the government official that went on conferences for two days and actually uh the conferences were nothing but uh you know they're getting paid for this and it was something more than just the conferences they were using it as eating out um when you think about people uh taking vacations these big government officials taking descendants in congress the rest of them taking these vacations and using the taxpayers' money for that and it's a real big crunch
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] uh of course when they get caught then they're you know they're guilty of course but uh during that time I'm sure there's hundreds of uh thousands of people that are um spending money that does not belong to them
[speaker002:] um-hum well that's right the I think that oh politicians talk a lot about waste but I'm not sure that that's really that much of the
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] problem I mean when you look at
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] something like the Gulf War it cost us God knows
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] how much you know at a million dollars a pop for Patriot missiles
[speaker001:] exactly and I I don't think uh it's ended up being I mean it gave people jobs
[speaker002:] and yeah
[speaker001:] but I think it also cost um quite a bit as far as because after they're done with the war a lot of things were no longer put to use I mean it was kind of like okay we'll do this during this point and time but after that that's you know um they didn't wanna do it anymore
[speaker002:] right um-hum
[speaker001:] so a lot of things that they're saying that they're no longer gonna be doing for next wars that are coming up that they did for this one in getting rid of a lot of things so
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't know okay well it was good talking to you and have a good evening
[speaker002:] right okay all right you too bye-bye
[speaker001:] uh-huh thanks bye now |
[speaker001:] did you see in the newspaper or on the news when uh President Bush fainted at a dinner it was was that in Japan
[speaker002:] that was in Japan uh I didn't get to see that uh we've uh just gotten back yesterday from vacation
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and so I was bumping up and down the highway in a camper and uh I didn't get to watch any television so I've just been finding out about this once I got back
[speaker001:] well I thought it was pretty scary I I missed it uh I mean I when they were rerunning rerunning it like the next day or something I mean I didn't hear about it on the day it happened but I it was interesting you know that when he fainted and every one kind of jumped up on the table and surrounded him and it's really amazing that that would happen and then of course all the Dan Quayle discussion comes up again
[speaker002:] yeah well I was kind of pleased that uh when I got back that that was the hot item on the news that uh the President had fainted at dinner because that means that nothing else happened anywhere in the world
[speaker001:] that's uh that is true that is real good well he you know as for as young as he is he seems to have had several health problems you know health uh incidences if not problems
[speaker002:] yeah well you need about three kids running around the house and uh you you'd have your share of health problem too
[speaker001:] right that's right well I um I guess I haven't really been I've been trying to tune out a lot of the political issues right now when because the campaigning is starting and uh so
[speaker002:] yeah well I think the key issue that's going on at the moment is the uh uh current economy
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I think there's a lot of things that need to be done to to rectify that situation I'm not sure that the government is the key player
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] it is scary
[speaker002:] I think one of the statements that was made uh a year ago by uh Gorbachev when he was announcing some of the problems that existed in the Soviet Union he made the comment he said well our country may be bankrupt but referring to the United States he says your schools are bankrupt
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and uh that's been a big concern for me and I noticed that uh when I go into the tougher courses at some of the universities like Organic Chemistry or something like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that uh you don't find very many white American males taking the tough courses
[speaker001:] right they're foreign students
[speaker002:] you find you find a lot of Asian students uh you find uh a lot of females in the class
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and in all of the tough courses that I have taken the only blacks that I've found in the class have have generally been from Nigeria or some other African country they're foreign students
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it's I think it's kind of pathetic that uh our kids are not motivated to uh to study in depth and uh to take the hard courses and I'm I'm concerned that that is our economic problem not not how much money is being spent at Christmas time
[speaker001:] well they seem well that's really true and but I have noticed from uh my associations with teenagers in high school that they are really motivated by how much money they can make and when they hear on the news about people being laid off and uh you know corporations and things I mean I feel like they don't wanna make the effort out of um their own personal interests to follow a particular field or they wanna think you know how quickly can they make money
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and they're not attracted by the the work that has to be done to achieve uh you know a position like that
[speaker002:] yeah well I know when I went through school uh I went through an engineering school and of all my close friends they were all there because they loved engineering
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] they loved building things they loved solving problems uh they liked you know being creative and there was another group of students there that were there to be engineers because they heard that engineers made a lot of money
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and we didn't mix very well you know there was a a total difference in attitude and we felt very isolated or uh discriminated against in not being you know separate classes in terms of attitude
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum well you're right when you say that um the important issues need to be not so as much what's going on other places I mean that it's important for us to do I mean we we can't be isolated here but um you know we do need to pay more attention to our own economy and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and our own civilization because we've seen how quickly and it's almost unbelievable the fall of the um Soviet Union and and the um Berlin Wall and all of that's almost unreal to me still
[speaker002:] yeah well that was a terribly precarious economy economy uh I've been kind of watching it over the years and observing that the the amount of bureaucracy over there |
[speaker001:] well what kind of books do you like best
[speaker002:] well I alternate between uh Danielle Steele is one of my very favorites and uh then I try to go into one of the self improvement books um we we take books every once in a while in our Sunday school class and go through them um I love Scott Peck and his Road Less Traveled
[speaker001:] huh yeah I've heard of that one I don't think I've read it
[speaker002:] oh it is it is wonderful I I thoroughly enjoy that what do you read
[speaker001:] well uh I'm a Tom Clancy fan
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] and I read I just finished a book on Novell Netware uh that's computer stuff I do a lot of computer reading and uh I'm just finishing another one up on uh statistical sampling
[speaker002:] oh yes
[speaker001:] so I do more work kind of related reading than uh just for enjoyment
[speaker002:] I I try to keep a book going all the time uh I try to read when I first wake up in the morning and then before I go to sleep so I probably get oh thirty to fifty pages a day read
[speaker001:] well that's pretty good
[speaker002:] and I just you know I don't feel like in in fact this morning I was almost late for work because I'm almost at the end of this book and I didn't wanna put it down
[speaker001:] oh I've had them like that before too
[speaker002:] but I like I like mysteries
[speaker001:] mysteries any particular writer
[speaker002:] uh yes I like uh um oh I'm drawing a blank uh he wrote the uh Bourne Ultimatum
[speaker001:] Ludwig Ludwig yes
[speaker002:] Ludwig yes and uh I like Jeffrey Archer
[speaker001:] what does he read write
[speaker002:] he is an English author who writes some mystery um well I guess they're they're a type of mystery they're usually some part he's a ex-lawyer so or he he's a lawyer who no longer practices but his are all have some part of the law uh enveloped in them
[speaker001:] so you kind of learn something as well as enjoy enjoy yourself
[speaker002:] right and then uh the new author that came out with uh oh the one that uh Harrison Ford starred in
[speaker001:] Raiders Raiders of the Lost Ark stuff
[speaker002:] no no it was the uh
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] it's late I'm tired so I'm not thinking too well
[speaker001:] what what time is it there ten thirty
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh it's nine thirty here
[speaker002:] oh it's uh it was his first book it came it was on the top of the list um he was a DA
[speaker001:] uh Presumed Innocent uh
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] oh I haven't seen the movie read the book but
[speaker002:] okay and then his he came out with the second one uh a sequel to it
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and both of those I've enjoyed real well but I I like that I love Danielle Steele and and you know if I wanna get a fantasy and get away from it all
[speaker001:] is she is she kind of racy
[speaker002:] no no she isn't at all her books uh
[speaker001:] just feel good
[speaker002:] you always cry
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] I mean it's it's always good for good tears uh one book that she wrote that's good for both men and women is Fine Things
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] F I N E things
[speaker001:] my my mother-in-law's a real fan of hers
[speaker002:] well it's it's one that you know it's it's always gonna make you have a good cry and you dow it's gonna turn out good and you're gonna be happy in the end
[speaker001:] oh well that's nice
[speaker002:] and I said you know I don't want anything too real anymore I have enough of that in my own life I want I want happy fantasy like
[speaker001:] yeah uh you mentioned Sunday school LaDonna uh do you are you a Bible fan too
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh I I do my share of it I I certainly can't say that I understand a lot of it
[speaker001:] oh yeah that's that's always a challenge so do you do my wife talks with other people |
[speaker001:] Well, how do you feel about spot test-, spot testing for drugs?
[speaker002:] [Noise] Well, basically I think it would be a good idea myself. I, uh, I think if somebody's not on drugs, they have no reason, you know, to be afraid of it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I do think that there has to be some controls, uh, like, I don't think one test positive should, uh, be, uh, [pause] the end of it, you know.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I, I think they should test more than once.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's, it's
[speaker002:] It,
[speaker001:] it's refreshing to hear somebody,
[speaker002:] [Static].
[speaker001:] that has a similar opinion as mine. I mean, all these people that are against it that may, the-, you know, they may not even be on drugs. They, they call it an invasion of privacy.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [baby].
[speaker001:] And I don't see that. To me that just doesn't sound like a valid argument because this company is paying you good money that you're working for
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] and they, I believe that,
[speaker002:] [Baby] [very faint].
[speaker001:] they have the right to know if you're using a, a dangerous substance [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] There's so many jobs that, uh,
[speaker001:] [Barking].
[speaker002:] really have other people's lives in their hands or even their own life [baby] and, you know, and it's, uh
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, how can you do anything about a problem besides if you don't know about it?
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] You know, and I just, um, I, I think
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] there definitely needs to be some control to it. I guess it is possible to have a false [baby] positive report.
[speaker001:] [Barking] Yes. No, I, I, I agree that, you know, you, there needs to be a, a well thought out, sane approach to,
[speaker002:] [Baby].
[speaker001:] how to administer that program.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Just because you, you, something can get mixed in the mail, or
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, the chemicals could react incorrectly than, than what you would expect them to. And, yeah, you, you know [very faintly],
[speaker002:] Or somebody's test gets mixed up with somebody else's.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I mean, those things do happen.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, I certainly wouldn't want people's lives ruined
[speaker001:] Right, and, you know, I've
[speaker002:] uh, [NOISE] wrongly.
[speaker001:] the, the, the company that I work for, uh, has just recently, well, you know, within the last couple of years, instituted for all new hired employees, they submit to a urine test.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [NOISE].
[speaker001:] And, they, they say that there's been, you know, they, they, they've also implemented random testing.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, it hasn't happened to me in the couple of years that, you know, it's been in progress
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, I, I fully agree with it and there's, you know, there's all these memos going around about folks that are disgruntled and feel it's an invasion of privacy, and
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, I agree with you. If, if, if you feel it's an invasion of privacy, you've, you've probably got something you're trying to hide [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah and you maybe need to look for some other type of job to do
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that, uh, doesn't require the testing.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh, to me, it's, to me it's not an invasion or privacy. I think it's people have a right to know if, if, uh, their, their life maybe's in jeopardy or, uh,
[speaker001:] Or, the quality of their product.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Their work, the work they're doing for their company. Uh, those things are all affected. If not immediately, it certainly does eventually.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I think that's where a lot of the problem is at first. It doesn't seem to, uh, bother the quality of work
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but eventually it does.
[speaker001:] Right, because it usually requires more and more of that substance that you're misusing
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] to get the same effect.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] Course, I feel the same way on the AIDS problem. I, I don't think that's an invasion of privacy, that's [static] the only communicable disease that they're not allowed to test for [NOISE],
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know, and it's destroying a lot of
[speaker001:] and then
[speaker002:] people's lives [static].
[speaker001:] and one of the few that they don't have a cure for [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, and it's, you know, it's, it's destroying people's lives and I, I think that person, plus anybody in danger should, should b-, know about it and be aware of it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [very faint].
[speaker002:] I don't know. It's, it's kind of hard to [pause] [lipsmack] I guess the gay movement has had a lot to do with considering that, that, uh, an invasion of privacy. Of course, that's not supposed to be [LAUGHTER] what we're talking about today, I guess. So,
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I kind of get off on a tangent here. Uh, do you work for, uh, Texas Instruments?
[speaker001:] Yes, I do.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I'm, I'm down in the, the central, but I don't know how familiar you are with Texas, but I'm in a, we live in a town, uh, near a town called Temple.
[speaker002:] [Baby] Um.
[speaker001:] Which is right in between Waco and Austin on the freeway.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's probably why, my brother did live in Grapevine, Texas. That's near Dallas.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We're probably about two, two and a half hours south of him.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] It's pretty hot down there probably.
[speaker001:] Oh my!
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] It's, actually, we got about two inches of rain in about three hours, yesterday.
[speaker002:] Oh, did you really?
[speaker001:] And it's
[speaker002:] Oh, that's great.
[speaker001:] cooled things down somewhat. It's getting more humid now, but,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. We, we need rain real bad up here.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [very faintly].
[speaker002:] It's, uh, everything's really getting dry. It's, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah [very faintly]. It's been about three weeks since we've had any.
[speaker002:] [Baby] Yeah. It's kind of at a dangerous level here. People hauling water, and, uh
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] it's getting real bad.
[speaker001:] Wow.
[speaker002:] So.
[speaker001:] How about that?
[speaker002:] So.
[speaker001:] Well, I hope you do get some rain up there.
[speaker002:] Um [pause]. So do I [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I [very faintly],
[speaker002:] Uh, I can't think of anything else, uh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I guess being in agreement
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] kind of tends to limit the conversation
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh, I can understand [baby]. I know if somebody is using drugs and doesn't think there's anything wrong with them, I can see [static] them objecting. You know?
[speaker001:] [Noise].
[speaker002:] there's a lot of people that [breathing] think that there's nothing wrong with [pause].
[speaker001:] One of the things I found interesting, it, it's funny that you mentioned that, T I is pretty much a worldwide company
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and we have manufacturing plants all around the world
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] including some places where the use of certain drugs that are illegal here are not illegal.
[speaker002:] Um. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER] they don't have to submit to drug testing like, like they do here in the States and some places abroad.
[speaker002:] Oh, I'll be darn.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, [NOISE] the different cultures and that
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] too, uh [static].
[speaker001:] I mean, uh, uh, from a quality standpoint, that's not, I mean, just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it doesn't affect you the same way.
[speaker002:] No, no. I'm sure it would have to affect you the same way. I, I can't think that would make any [LAUGHTER] difference
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] whether it was legal or not,
[speaker001:] [Noise] Right.
[speaker002:] it, [static] it would still have to affect you the same way.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but, like if you're going to do business in another country, you've got to respect their rules.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean if, if, you know, that, that's the trade off.
[speaker002:] Oh yeah. You can't you go by their laws.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] The same way [static] our people have to go by their laws when they're over there. That's why a lot get in trouble [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] because they have to follow their rules and, uh
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] some of the countries are very much against drugs and you use them, you [pause] pay for it [LAUGHTER]. .
[speaker001:] Usually [LAUGHTER] with you life in some places.
[speaker002:] Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah. Where, where
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] is it they lose the, if they steal they lose a thumb or a finger?
[speaker001:] Yeah, from the Middle East.
[speaker002:] Is that where it is?
[speaker001:] Yeah. Iraq, Iran, in that area.
[speaker002:] I thought, wow [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You know, that's quite a deterrent [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, in Saudi Arabia, you know, using, uh, alcohol and drugs and something like that, you get the death penalty.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, it's pretty strict over there [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. So I guess, you know, we, re-, we have so many freedoms over here we sometimes forget about [pause] how
[speaker001:] Well, people tend to
[speaker002:] great out country really is.
[speaker001:] take the first amendment out of context.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Which, which means
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know, I could do anything I want to and you can't stop me, and you know [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] They, they abuse it
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] is what they do.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, that's,
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] I don't know. I'm, I'm glad to see more and more companies implementing the policy, |
[speaker001:] course I don't like talking about budgets no not my favorite subject
[speaker002:] oh you don't this is my first one we just bought a house about three months ago and so we had to go on one and um what I do is um just divide up my paycheck and put it in each category I put it in my day planner and I have a certain amount on each column like under groceries or electricity
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I put so much in each one and then just subtract of just spend what the amount in each column what we're allotted
[speaker001:] uh-huh so you pretty much keep pretty close to your budget
[speaker002:] yeah if not we're up a creek
[speaker001:] yeah boy well we bought a house about a year and a half ago but I I can't say that I'm as uh good as as you are about our budget because I mean I'm in charge of paying the bills but uh you know I put a little bit in the savings first and then after that I'll you know pay on everything as I can and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that's I I don't have a budget other than that I know I need to and I know we probably will in the future but as of yet we're just still trying to you know get on on where we wanna be financially and then
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] maybe we can um you know work more on you know they have all these financial plans and how much money you have saved and where you wanna put it and everything well we're still we're still trying to save a little bit
[speaker002:] yeah that's tough we have an emergency fund that we keep and that was tough to get we try to not touch that we've gone to the house but sometimes you dip into it
[speaker001:] yeah well yeah exactly yeah exactly and see we've got two used cars and you know when you have used cars there's always something you're fixing on them
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] you may not have a car payment but you know you have those regular maintenance things I mean like
[speaker002:] uh-huh do both of you work your husband
[speaker001:] yeah yeah but I'm gonna be out of a job in September
[speaker002:] oh you are
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] where do you work at
[speaker001:] oh I work for a liquor uh distiller
[speaker002:] liquor distiller
[speaker001:] yeah and they're moving their offices up offices up to Connecticut
[speaker002:] oh wow
[speaker001:] so I'll be staying down here but I'm not real worried about it so but it's something else that you know we have to be considering in our budget
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and trying to take care of everything you know all the um outstanding debt that we have and kind of getting ready for it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's a thing we try to stay out of is debt um
[speaker001:] it it's the worst thing because when I got out of college you know that was our mistake when we got married you know we didn't have much so we kind of charged it up and now we're you know paying for it
[speaker002:] it it's hard though when you first get married you want things to live on because I just got married what two and a half years ago
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and we tried not to do that my wife worked at the time so we bought most no
[speaker001:] but she's not working now do y'all have a family
[speaker002:] um no it's just me and her right now
[speaker001:] oh well we don't have a family either besides a couple dogs and a cat
[speaker002:] we have one dog but it's good well she's looking for part-time work just to try off to pay off her car
[speaker001:] yeah well I wanna try to um go back to school get a degree that that you know I something I'll enjoy doing a little bit more
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] so you know um I'll
[speaker002:] what's your husband do
[speaker001:] I'm sorry my husband he works in banking he's in finances and economics he's kind of like a loan servicer accountant right now but he's trying to trying to switch over into international trade because you know with the free trade agreements going on here there's really gonna be a lot of opportunity
[speaker002:] uh-huh that's true
[speaker001:] so we hope anyways and what do you do
[speaker002:] um I work for Morton International and make um I'm a process engineer that we make automotive safety bags
[speaker001:] oh automotive safety bags is that like air bags
[speaker002:] the air bags yeah same thing
[speaker001:] another term well I guess I covered all the budgeting that I wanted to
[speaker002:] I don't do you have to go up until do you have to go until the voice comes on but I'm not sure do that
[speaker001:] no you don't you you can stop at anytime you're you're finished I mean I've never I've been doing this for a while now and I've they've never not paid me so
[speaker002:] oh okay oh good all right well thanks for talking Wendy
[speaker001:] yeah it was nice talking to you
[speaker002:] you too bye
[speaker001:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] [Talking] Okay. So, uh, then, do you keep kids? Is this two year old yours or do you keep children for other people?
[speaker002:] [Noise] [dryer] [child talking] [TV] No. I have two children. I have a two year old and a three and a half year old.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's exactly what I have.
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] That's wild.
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I, my, my little girl was three and a half in March and my son was two in January.
[speaker002:] Oh, boy. Well, mine was two in March and the three and a half year old will be four in, in July.
[speaker001:] That's pretty close.
[speaker002:] So that is pretty close [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But I'm home with the kids all day and I have really, uh, tried to make that a priority even though it's financially a big strain on us.
[speaker001:] Yes, it is.
[speaker002:] But,
[speaker001:] Have you been able to do that all along or,
[speaker002:] Pretty much, pretty much. Uh, I work part-time but, uh, my husband's able, you know, mostly to take care of them when I'm working. So.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, uh, we adopted these two little guys
[speaker001:] Oh, how neat.
[speaker002:] and that was another reason why I really wanted to be here because, you know, they have had a couple foster homes already.
[speaker001:] How old were they when you adopted?
[speaker002:] The baby was eleven weeks old and his brother was
[speaker001:] So he probably doesn't remember.
[speaker002:] twenty, twenty-two months.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] Yeah. So.
[speaker001:] Yeah, definitely needed. Well, that's, that's pretty interesting. Well, I have always wanted to be able to stay home with my kids
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know. That was always my dream, you know. I wasn't necessarily a career person
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but as long as I was single and had to work, I was going to get a good job and do the best I could.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And my husband was in the type of business that, you know, it's insurance so you have to build a clientele and by the time we had kids I couldn't quit.
[speaker002:] Oh, boy.
[speaker001:] And so I haven't been able to quit yet. So I've had to deal a lot with child care and course, we're hoping within, hopefully, the next two years I'll be able to quit and stay home.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, I started out, uh, my best friend kept my kids from the time my daughter was born
[speaker002:] Oh, that's neat.
[speaker001:] until she went to work last year in August and it worked out pretty good. You know, we had always said from the beginning that if it gets in the way of the friendship then I'll take them somewhere else. You know, the friendship is more important.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, it was a wonderful experience for my kids because she really loved them, you know. She loved them like they were hers and I
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I knew, you know, I had good peace of mind. I knew that they were taken care of and,
[speaker002:] That's the hardest thing I think, you know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] to, to deal with is that people love your,
[speaker001:] [Sniffing].
[speaker002:] kids. I put, uh, my oldest in a preschool program just for him to have the experience of
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] two mornings a week of being with other kids and starting to learn some taking turns and, you know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that kind of thing and, uh, he was in there for three months when I pulled him out and the, the teacher had eleven kids. It was excellent, supposedly. The reputation was fantastic for this place. Was supposed to be an excellent school and I had several friends who had, had recommended it, too. But it really gets down to the particular teacher.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] And she was a new teacher at the school and she had eleven, you know, three year olds in a room and I just think it was way too much. The were almost all boys.
[speaker001:] But she had no help?
[speaker002:] Pardon?
[speaker001:] She had no help? She was alone with them.
[speaker002:] I didn't think much. I don't think much.
[speaker001:] Oh, that is hard.
[speaker002:] Yeah. And she was just my, uh, three year old is real active.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And she just kept saying how wild he was. Well, you know, there was kind of a connotation there of him being, you know, it being a problem. Like he ran back from the bathroom singing and skipping she said. Well, you know, at three years old
[speaker001:] Jeez.
[speaker002:] I don't find that to be a behavioral problem [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I don't either [LAUGHTER]. So.
[speaker002:] You know [LAUGHTER]. I mean, it's kind of like she was, there was so much going on that she felt like she needed to control more
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and it's really hard to con-, you can't control eleven three year olds with one person, you know.
[speaker001:] You have to let them have some wild time
[speaker002:] Yeah, you know.
[speaker001:] if that's considered wild [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] So I just finally took him out. Plus financial reasons.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It was expensive. But I was real careful and visited and everything ahead of time. But I still felt like even after all the checking I did, [sigh] you know, you really can't know everything
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] about what's going to happen. I felt safe that the kids weren't going to be left alone somewhere in a room where a teacher could do something inappropriate with them, you know, because
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] there was enough classrooms close together that it was like a house with different classrooms. And I
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] felt like that was a big factor for me. That they would would be safe
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] you know, from any kind of abuse or that
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] kind of thing.
[speaker001:] Well, when, when my friend decided to go back to work, and whenever we had problems, it worked out okay because she would come and tell me and we'd work it out.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] After that, I found another girl that had gone to church with us that, you know, they needed it financially. She had a little boy that was the same age as my little boy and I though, well, you know, we'll try her. But she came to our house and that just did not work.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, I mean, she loved the kids and she was good with them. But, uh, you know, they were filthy [LAUGHTER] when I'd get home. Now I understand kids go out and play and they get dirty
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] but I mean filthy. I'm talking sand in the ears and the eyes and the hair and the
[speaker002:] [Child crying] Oh, gosh.
[speaker001:] and I was, like, gosh. And then, you know, my own furniture and stuff was like, you know, the kitchen table, the, I'd find peanut butter and jelly all over the table and the chairs and the,
[speaker002:] You had to come home and clean before you could
[speaker001:] and clean, and I was like,
[speaker002:] even do anything probably.
[speaker001:] Yeah. And then, in the end, uh, she basically ended up stealing a hundred dollars from me so I was, I had a pretty bad taste in my mouth. She told me about five thirty one afternoon, it was a Friday, that she wasn't keeping kids anymore as of Monday morning.
[speaker002:] Oh gosh.
[speaker001:] Well, you know, I work eight to five thirty so what am I supposed to do [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So I, well, I had been sick and I, it ended up that I didn't go to work Monday because I was sick. So I stayed home with them and we went to some of the Kindercares.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. I was, I took the kids there once just to try it. They had a free day at Kindercare.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well, that's what they said. There were two pretty near our house and they said, well, bring them in this week for a free day so I lined up someone Tuesday. They had a Mother's Day Out that my baby-sitter took them to, you know, which was fine. They liked it. They had been going to it for years.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And so I stayed with them Monday. Tuesday they went to that. Wednesday I took them to one Kindercare. Thursday I took them to another Kindercare [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] and then Friday my husband and I split. But on Thursday I didn't like the Kindercares.
[speaker002:] I didn't either. I had
[speaker001:] They,
[speaker002:] one bad, I had two bad experiences just that one day with medicine that my son was supposed to have for a cold that they never gave him.
[speaker001:] They didn't give him.
[speaker002:] And the other one was that the, the younger one got bit
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] really badly by another child and what they did was they took my [swallowing] younger one out and put him in a crib and left him in a crib the rest of the day.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's horrible.
[speaker002:] Instead of taking the kid that was biting out [LAUGHTER] and do something with him.
[speaker001:] And doing something with him.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well, not only was it going to cost me like a hundred and fifty dollars more a month, which I didn't have [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know. I didn't, I, you know, we're, we're a Christian family and, you know, they, because they're, you know, like public, [printer] they're not private
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know. They can't pray, they can't talk about God. They can't do anything like that and I don't want them indoctrinated
[speaker002:] So you feel like your values aren't getting, yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, but I'd like them to be able to say, gee, God made the flowers, you know, and
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] things like that.
[speaker002:] God loves you.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, basic things like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, basic.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, uh, I talked to another lady at church. It was like Thursday of that week and she said oh, I found the most wonderful place that I've been taking my daughter and I've know this girl, I went to college with her so I really, I, you, I, I value her opinion. And she told me about a private one. It, it was associated with one of the churches here. It's not the church I go to but it's, you know, it, it was Lubbock View Christian Church and it's a private academy.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And so I went over there and I talked to the lady. Well, they have like a three year waiting list. But she said, I had a mother tell me that she may take a job in San Antonio and she has a three year old and a toddler, which mine was at the time.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And she said I should know something by tomorrow, which was Friday, and she said if she leaves, she said, I'll let you have her spot.
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] And so Friday afternoon at five thirty, she called me and she said she's going. You can bring your kids Monday [lipsmack].
[speaker002:] Oh, what luck.
[speaker001:] I know. I was just like, God set this,
[speaker002:] [Dishes].
[speaker001:] up for me.
[speaker002:] Really [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] He knew I needed this and, uh, so since October then, they have been going there and i-, I love it. I have been at
[speaker002:] Oh, that's great.
[speaker001:] such peace with myself. It's just been better than even when they were with my best friend because we don't have the little day to day hassles and
[speaker002:] Yeah [dishes].
[speaker001:] the cost was not near as much as the Kindercares [printer] were going to be.
[speaker002:] Oh, really? Wow.
[speaker001:] Did you hear my printer in the background. I'm sorry. I hope you can understand what I s-, [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's okay [LAUGHTER]. I got the dryer going
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] in the background so [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I was only about twenty dollars more a month than I was paying because being a private institution they're nonprofit.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, they don't have to charge as much.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's great.
[speaker001:] And the hours are wonderful and I just, I think it's the best thing. I told Russ yest-, that we should have done this a long time ago
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know [LAUGHTER]. It's great. So I guess as long as I have to work, I feel good that they're there. they're getting the love, the care. They have a little curriculum. They teach them, you know, the alphabet, the numbers, the things which, you know, if they learn, they learn. If they don't, they don't. I don't feel like I have to indoctrinate them by age three
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but it's kind of neat when they
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] come home with it, you know. and, uh,
[speaker002:] They think it's fun. It's not a big, you know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] trauma to them to learn something. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Oh, and the teachers. Well, Taylor got bit several times and Taylor bit several times and the teachers dealt with that. We're like, hey they're two and we keep them apart and we scold them and we correct them and, you know, they mark it all down and they let you know and, [swallowing] and, you know, they get over it real quick and he doesn't do it anymore and
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] they work at the potty train-, I just, just so mu, I don't know. I just feel like a big burden was lifted [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Really. Because sometimes it is a burden having them all day because I can't
[speaker001:] It is.
[speaker002:] do anything with them here. I can't even go grocery shopping right now
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] with the two of them because the baby is so into everything and the older brother is [LAUGHTER] you know, running around all over the place so
[speaker001:] I know
[speaker002:] it is, it's hard.
[speaker001:] and that's hard.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah [sniffing].
[speaker002:] Yeah. So.
[speaker001:] Well, and it, it, you know, but I understa-, I, I, I wish you could find a good Mother's Day Out because that would be good for your
[speaker002:] Yeah, I need to.
[speaker001:] peace of mind also.
[speaker002:] Even for just a couple days a, mornings a week or something
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] to have something like that, so I, I think I'm going to look for that. Remind me of that now that you mention it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I was, been meaning to do that, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Because some of the churches do have them, uh, you know, for like six dollars per child
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and that's not that big a deal, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] For a couple times [sigh].
[speaker001:] And that's usually like, you know, I don't know when mine were going to Mother's Day Out, it was like from nine to three so that was a pretty good
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] pretty good time, you know. My baby-sitter would take them and then pick them up.
[speaker002:] Yeah [thumping].
[speaker001:] So, that worked out real good.
[speaker002:] That's sounds good.
[speaker001:] Well, I'm tickled to death. I hope you find something and
[speaker002:] Well, thanks.
[speaker001:] it was good talking to you.
[speaker002:] Did we cover everything we need to?
[speaker001:] Well, I guess.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] It said child care criteria
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] and I think we both listed an experience [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Well, great. Well, thanks a lot. You have a good day.
[speaker001:] And you too.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye [clicking] [NOISE] [child talking] [TV].
[speaker001:] Bye [clicking] [talking]. |
[speaker001:] okay I hope you know more about the subject of baseball and where they're going than I do because
[speaker002:] oh I know a little bit about it I'm not a die hard fan but I I enjoy the I like the Boston Red Sox myself
[speaker001:] well I of all the sports that there are that there is I like baseball the best however I haven't been to a baseball game in years but I have kept uh my eye on the Rangers
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know and I guess they were doing pretty good up to a point and then they kind of fell on their face
[speaker002:] well with uh their biggest point of interest has been Nolan Ryan not the rest of the team lately so
[speaker001:] correct right they've got a one man show going there which is interesting you know um
[speaker002:] right oh it's amazing
[speaker001:] I guess he can I guess he can really call down a salary they're so astronomical I can't even imagine that kind of money you know it's just uh phenomenal
[speaker002:] right well fortunately the Red Sox last time I saw the paper earlier this week were in first place and doing quite well um I
[speaker001:] well good
[speaker002:] been really busy at work this past week and normally on my way into work I'll pick up a newspaper and uh it so every day I'll have a newspaper at work and when I take a break I'll look at the newspaper but this week I've been so busy I didn't even bother to stop
[speaker001:] I understand I understand
[speaker002:] but hopefully hopefully next week I'll get back to my normal routine
[speaker001:] okay uh you are involved with TI's uh speech um
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] recognition
[speaker002:] well not really I um I
[speaker001:] how did you find out about it
[speaker002:] I work at laboratory from uh I'm an officer in the Air Force and uh
[speaker001:] oh okay I see interesting
[speaker002:] they have a speech lab across the hall from us
[speaker001:] oh great
[speaker002:] and uh the speech laboratory does some work with uh TI at uh not in my office but uh in my division they do
[speaker001:] I see um-hum
[speaker002:] quite a bit of speech work
[speaker001:] well that's good well that's interesting and the topics are interesting uh they run a whole gamut of of uh subjects and uh I think we can address every topic but the depth of knowledge is quite different
[speaker002:] sure sure
[speaker001:] so uh when they chose baseball I mean I'm I'm I can understand baseball you know I don't understand football um you know uh it's such a rugged game that it uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh it seems to be too physical for my uh interest
[speaker002:] oh I prefer to I I I like I never used to really like watching football that much but more and more these days I'm I I'll like a football game but I've always liked baseball I I prefer to watch
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um I guess I'm one of the few people that also prefers baseball to football and I I'd much rather go to a baseball game than to a football game
[speaker001:] well I I can relate to baseball because I used to play baseball but I can't relate to football because I've never played football and and don't and have have any interest and I said if I ever had a son he would not play football
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh I had four daughters so that wasn't a question but now I have a grandson that is you know is gung ho for um football
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh that doesn't please grandma too much
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] I'm always afraid because the injuries are so uh can be very very devastating
[speaker002:] well there's injuries in a lot of sport
[speaker001:] I understand that but I think they they happen more in football I think the odds are cut down you know I I know they can get hurt in baseball too
[speaker002:] I I um-hum
[speaker001:] the bat is a very heavy object can do a lot of damage but uh I think that they have a a lower ratio of injuries ratio of injuries in baseball
[speaker002:] oh baseball that's true I I would say that baseball tends to be one of the less troublesome sports but uh for some people it's just uh
[speaker001:] because the yeah
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] a love for them
[speaker002:] well that that not so much that but uh even in baseball you can like when I played baseball when I was uh growing up I had trouble uh uh just throwing the ball because my I was very I was always very strong and I could throw when I was young I could throw harder than my uh like ligaments and all that should have been allowed to and so I was always throwing my arm out and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum I see uh-huh
[speaker002:] having trouble I and I was a catcher so I was constantly throwing back to the pitcher and then down to second base and all and and that kind of stuff so I
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that was always a problem for me was just just the constant throwing so
[speaker001:] did you did you sustain any permanent uh injury with that
[speaker002:] no I did that wrestling
[speaker001:] oh oh okay
[speaker002:] no I'd well I I uh I always been quite an athlete and doing different things and um the other thing was I'd never really let injuries stop me but interestingly enough you mentioned football is like now I won't play football anymore because of the uh because I separate a shoulder wrestling so
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] um but I stood the stood the injury wrestling but it as long as I let it heal it never really bothered me then playing football this fall
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I it was just flag football too I separated it again and it seemed to be like the straw that broke the camels back so
[speaker001:] oh boy um um-hum well I have uh I have a broken arm that I had since I was three it was never set right
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh uh I liked bowling as a as a kind of a relaxing sport and uh one of the men that was in our league in on our league uh noticed uh you know uh my broken arm and the way my ball would do and he says let me show you how to use your arm to your advantage and so he brought me up from like a hundred and fifteen I had my high game of two eighty seven
[speaker002:] my God
[speaker001:] so uh yeah uh it was really funny you know that he would tell me where to stand and how to hold my arm and and how to uh keep uh follow through with my uh addressing that to put the ball the uh pins
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so that was interesting so I really um I got a lot of uh recognition from the uh uh the bowling league I guess I'm not sure where all my pins came from but but it's but that was quite awhile ago but I and I never pursued it and a lot of people said well you should have turned pro and I thought nah not um hum-um I don't
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] my love wasn't there for the game I liked to as a as a method of uh entertainment and I uh fellowship but uh outside of that no I didn't and I and I still I like to bowl but uh
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] I don't have um Jack standing behind me to tell me what to do
[speaker002:] are you uh you on any leagues now
[speaker001:] no I'm not no no uh at TI they have a sponsor a junior league achievement and uh it's true bowling and I've never uh shared shared that with them I would have to brush up on my bowling before I ev en
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] tried to uh win a lot of money for the junior achievement uh organization but that's the only thing that I would you know be allowed to do
[speaker002:] uh-huh right well my grandmother has been bowling for gosh maybe thirty forty years I don't know a long time and she still she's got to be
[speaker001:] um-hum um um-hum still carries a good league uh average
[speaker002:] well no she doesn't |
[speaker001:] yeah I pushed in
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] so how do you use your credit cards
[speaker002:] oh we use them for paying our gas for paying uh just about anything because um we don't like to pay for our checks so we use it quite a bit
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but we we pay off every month though so we never have to pay interest and we always we never get the the credit cards if there's a monthly or a yearly charge we always get it through our bank or somewhere where it's free so we never have to pay anything extra
[speaker001:] yeah that's me I won't use one that I have to pay an annual fee
[speaker002:] yeah we just don't think it's worth it
[speaker001:] you know and um I'm uh like you I I use it
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] well to buy my gas with my Shell my Shell credit card I use that and then like my Emporium card and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] Weinstocks card I use that but I'm like you I usually pay it off as soon as I get my bill why I don't just write a check I don't know
[speaker002:] see well you I don't do it either
[speaker001:] you know it's just really weird but I I don't carry a lot of cash with me because I'm always afraid that someone's going to steal my purse
[speaker002:] yeah yes exactly that's how I feel I mean it's a rare day when I even have seventy five cents in my purse
[speaker001:] yeah you know enough for a phone call and that's about all
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh other than that that's the that's the way I use them I know some people that uses them so bad that every one of them that they've got they can't they can't charge any more you know and I think that's terrible
[speaker002:] yeah because it's really it helps your if you have good credit you know it helps you in the long run when you want to go make a bigger purchase or something
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah because if anything ever happens that you do need to you know you have excellent credit why it really does help
[speaker002:] yeah and I think it's more convenient too in a lot of cases like whenever we go on trips we always you know use our our Visa or our MasterCard or whatever and then um you know we really don't have to pay for it out of our own pockets until about a month later
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so it helps us gain interest in the bank that when we do it we come out a little even a little bit ahead because we've been able to use whatever first off and then pay for it later
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh yeah well I think it's better to use credit cards too like I say because you there's so many people around any more that's watching what you're doing and if you pull a wad of money out of your pocket
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] they're going to hit you over the head
[speaker002:] yeah even if it's five bucks even
[speaker001:] I know it just uh you know it just seems like they're somebody's always watching so I just don't I don't carry money I'd just soon use my credit cards and just pay them off you know
[speaker002:] yeah and also if you if someone did happen to steal your credit card my husband was saying that if you know you notice it within I think it's twenty four hours you can report it in and I he said the most you'd ever have to pay is fifty dollars for them to cancel you know whatever payments you had and and if whoever tried to uh you know credit it to the hilt
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you'd only have to pay fifty dollars of it and then
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know you can have your card back with
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] pretty good rating you know because you can pay fifty dollars but not you know maybe five thousand or whatever
[speaker001:] yeah right and you know some of those stores don't even seem to check your signature or anything
[speaker002:] I know
[speaker001:] you know I don't know why they don't unless you have to spend a certain amount I don't know but I notice that some of them don't even look you know they just slide it in there and pass it back to you
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] you know so I don't think that's right I think they should check it to make sure that the signature at least matches you know
[speaker002:] yeah sure I mean it's just a precaution for everybody
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah so
[speaker001:] well let's see what else can I say about credit cards
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] oh I also use like to use Discover when I can because uh you know they give you some money back every year
[speaker001:] yeah I don't I don't uh that that that's that Sears Discovery Card is that what that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] yeah now I don't have that one you know
[speaker002:] well we just started doing that and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know what it comes in handy is for when you're buying things like um tickets for the train or um airplanes
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] because they'll give you some money back you know and it's only a little bit but I mean it's still something we got two fifty last year
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so it's you know it helps out here and there so
[speaker001:] oh you mean uh for for you using your credit card you get like a rebate or something
[speaker002:] yeah they give you I think they start giving you like a half a percent back which doesn't sound like a thing but when you you know when you add up everything you've you've charged up on the Discover card for a year
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they give you a half percent of that and that adds up to you know two fifty or something
[speaker001:] oh I see
[speaker002:] and so that's what and I know we're going to get back more this year because they you know we spent a little bit more
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] probably and they do it for how long you've been a member I think too
[speaker001:] um I see
[speaker002:] and they increase the percentage a little bit
[speaker001:] yeah well I'll |
[speaker001:] recently graduated from high school meaning like uh you know three or four years ago I'm a senior in in uh college now and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I can't really talk too much about the problems with uh public education in detail because the school system I went to was uh really superb even though it was a public school system
[speaker002:] really yeah I I feel that my uh I'm a junior in college now and I go to Tech Georgia Tech
[speaker001:] oh okay yeah
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] I got a friend who goes there by the way I wanted to ask talk to you about that afterward okay
[speaker002:] okay uh I've the high school I went to was uh was a good one also and I well I guess you could say one of the problems with the public education system is the disparity between different schools because the one I went to was you know I'm sure a a lot nicer than you know a lot of the inner city schools and the things around Atlanta
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it was a a it's a more or less a suburban school system yes that's that was true for mine too um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] although I I'm sure to some extent that money is part of the problem in the disparity but I don't think I honestly don't think that's the biggest part of it
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] you know I think that uh I mean I know that in my town you know most of the most of the parents they're valued education and uh
[speaker002:] yeah that's true
[speaker001:] you know and so the students were you know to some extent motivated to learn I mean you know
[speaker002:] yeah and I'm also I mean in the in those places where uh like the economy is really bad they might you know be more tempted to to quit school and get jobs and that kind of thing because they need the you know money to put food on the table and stuff like that more than they would you know in areas where they
[speaker001:] yeah that's true but but uh I think I mean even more than that even I mean if you drop out in high school
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] you should still be able to read you know which it sounds I mean it sounds like uh now I think maybe it just started changing in the past few years because uh
[speaker002:] yeah that's true
[speaker001:] they have more of these um sort of mandatory mandatory tests you have to take before you get a diploma but uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but uh certainly before that there are people that you know like would graduate from high school and could barely read um and that's just sort of inexcusable and you can't really I I I mean I just can't even picture how that could happen
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know except maybe to someone whose you know really badly learning uh disabled or something but these people obviously weren't
[speaker002:] that's hard for me to say since I didn't I didn't really grow well when I went to elementary school it it it wasn't in a great area but I still I mean I learned to read started learning to read when I was in kindergarten you know so I guess I can't really
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I can't say what it would be like to uh grow up in a really oppressed uh region you know I guess the whole the whole environment and attitude towards school and learning is different for the for those people
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I mean I think that's almost a bigger factor than anything else probably I mean I don't I think you know if people just
[speaker002:] so I guess the problem is the the thing to do is to try to I don't get some kind of motivation to learn and
[speaker001:] yeah and again I don't I mean again I don't know that I'm you know how qualified I mean I think it'd be interesting
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] to you know to spend a couple of days just looking around an inner city school uh you know sort of sort of maybe from elementary through uh high school you know just sort of to get a feel for what it's like
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] I think that would be an interesting experience but uh I haven't done that
[speaker002:] no I I can't say that I have either
[speaker001:] but uh but I do I do think that um I mean public education in general I think can work and I think it's a good thing
[speaker002:] yeah I've I've I've heard some I mean I've heard statistics statistics statistics and things that that compare a public education to a private education I mean within like within the same uh income groups
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] if you compare the like the people that could have that could have sent their kids to private schools and the people that you know the people that uh did send their kids to private schools I think they compare fairly you know fairly well
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah I mean I don't I honestly don't really think I could have you know done much better than I did in the school system I was in you know I mean it's
[speaker002:] yeah I I know in my schools also I mean they they have a lot of uh once once it seemed I got into high school they had a lot of uh accelerated accelerated programs and all kinds of stuff like that and that mean that that makes a big difference because uh when you're when you're taking classes with uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] with people that are really are interested in the in the subject and stuff like that
[speaker001:] yeah I mean and in the once you book junior high uh start junior high starting in eighth grade all the way through high school there were four levels you well no I guess it was in junior high it was still three then in high school it changed into four levels of uh of instruction in the major subjects
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh which I mean actually I think that works pretty well I mean that that makes |
[speaker001:] Uh, guy, uh, some of my things, I, I'd like to have a short work week
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] you know, and and we need, you know, better health insurance and [NOISE] you know, cau-,
[speaker002:] Okay, we can start off there. Let's just get started.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] If you don't want to, you know, uh, talk about it now and then
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] be bored when we get to it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Okay, so I just press one then right?
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Okay, ready?
[speaker002:] Yep.
[speaker001:] Okay [beep].
[speaker002:] So, so you think, uh, I think that a short work week is real nice. Uh, I have a thirty-seven hour work week. How about you?
[speaker001:] Well, well right now, I, I'm just a student. I only work part time, but I've work in the job force before
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and [smack] forty hours is just too long. You just don't have any time to do anything. It seems like, Saturday you get get off, but Sunday you're getting ready for Monday. And if we get have a
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] if we could have a thirty-two hour work week, with that happen is that, for every four people we could give another job.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And then that way everybody would have a three day holiday, okay. And that way that more, that would make a bigger market. We'd have, uh, more recreation. People would have time to do it. There would be less of a stress level. We'd have, we'd have less crime. We'd have to we'd have to build less prisons, you know, less police force.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it all makes sense to me. Although, there may be more crime. I mean if people have more leisure time. It's not clear. And that,
[speaker001:] It, it, that's, that's a possibility.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] One, one of the problems they're facing now, a lot of people now, is that the health insurance is that the small business can't, can't offer health insurance
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and it, it's too costly and what, what is happening is that they're on a policy where they have X amount of users in it, okay. So they get a specific rate. Well what happens is that if people start becoming having chronic illness and, and things like that, what happened and where they really have to spend out a lot of money
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] for one particular, it's called a a group, well what will, well what happens then is that [smack] they cancel, because they just can't cancel an individual. So they, they have to cancel just like life insurance. They have to cancel everything.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So what they do is that, that they cancel the insurance and then all the people don't have any insurance coverage.
[speaker002:] Right. [inhaling] So,
[speaker001:] But, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm satisfied with my job. I'm, I'm an engineering student.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And I work for my instructor and I'm I'm not a typical student. I'm, I'm older. I'm, I'm in my thirties, okay.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And so I have a lot of job experience and my instructor thrives on that because he can just tell me what he wants and he can give me access and tell me what to do and just turn me loose
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but in, in the same token, it's a very, really enjoyable for me because I don't have to have, you know, nobody breathing down my back and
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and one of the things that I, I really hate about jobs. I don't, I don't like bosses that, that you know want to [inhaling] yell at you and you know are down on your back and all this and that. I, I just really can't deal with that so,
[speaker002:] Yeah [NOISE].
[speaker001:] What kind of, what kind of jobs have you done?
[speaker002:] Well, well, I do wo-, uh, research in computer science and I've just been doing that for a few years now so
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, I, my job has most of the benefits I want. Uh, what I really like is, I like being, like they send me to conferences for instance, but probably not as much as I'd like but, uh, you know, that's just nice being, you know, having a company being able to give you time to do that sort of thing and sort of, uh, they also, a really important thing to me is when they, uh, they pay for continuing education. Like, I, I get night courses that they they'll cover right now and that's really good yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's just great. You have what you might call knowledge power
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] you know, when when you work at a company whether you know it or not, is that you're categorized. Some people can be let go and replaced like, uh, say, uh, a typist, uh, somebody who does data entry or answers the telephone or receptionist. But if you're a person who, that's doing computer type things and you have the, you have the knowledge, you know what the system you've revised and revamped the system, well then you're you're vital to the company
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and you get more benefits so. That's where I, I, I'm like, I'm into computers too and that's one of the things that I've found in any one, one of these jobs and anything I've done is that to have knowledge. When you have the knowledge, you're you're not going to, uh, you know, be let go, be one of the last ones to let go anyway.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] So what I, |
[speaker001:] so uh how do you feel about the taxes you pay do you feel you pay uh too much or about right or
[speaker002:] well it it it's the type of thing of what exactly am I getting out of the taxes and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] to some extent there is definitely you know you can say all right I'm paying this money for this and this is what I'm getting back in terms of roads and highways and you know I guess quote unquote retirement if it's actually there when we actually end up retiring
[speaker001:] yeah it's hard to tell
[speaker002:] there there seems to be some problem you know some question on whether there will be actually money there or not
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that I don't like about the taxes is I was looking through the IRS forms like uh the other day
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I noticed that fourteen percent of the amount of money that we pay in for taxes each year is just going to pay the national debt
[speaker001:] um-hum now is that the debt uh or is that just the interest on the debt
[speaker002:] that that is the interest on the debt
[speaker001:] yes you know I really don't understand this completely I've been a little mystified who who are we paying it to
[speaker002:] ourselves
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] um to a large extent I mean one of the I think I'm not sure if it's the largest but I know a large segment of the national debt is um you know things like savings bonds and other government obligations
[speaker001:] okay so it's to private individuals who own government instruments of some sort
[speaker002:] well not not just private but there's you know lot of public institutions that are holding money as well as a lot of um foreign companies and foreign persons
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that are holding that but
[speaker001:] okay so but these are nongovernmental entities
[speaker002:] yeah nongovernmental
[speaker001:] okay who are holding bonds and whatever
[speaker002:] yeah you know Treasury Certificates and US Savings Bonds and whatever
[speaker001:] okay yeah that is uh I mean well what what can they I mean what's to be done at this point increase that amount for sometime so it will eventually go down or I mean I imagine if you're just servicing the debt you're not really making any progress right
[speaker002:] right well it's actually uh you know also looking at the same form they had that we are borrowing the US is borrowing eighteen percent of the amount of of how how of whatever it's spending every year
[speaker001:] so we're increasing the debt by an amount equal to eighteen percent of the annual budget
[speaker002:] yeah so we're borrowing eighteen percent and fourteen percent of what we're paying out is going to pay the eighteen the uh debt so to some extent we're borrowing money to pay
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] you know fourteen percent that we're borrowing goes directly paying out to the debt
[speaker001:] which is only increasing
[speaker002:] yeah so we're you know net we're doing a net borrowing of four percent each year and then we're doing a borrowing on top of that of fourteen percent that just goes to pay interest on the debt
[speaker001:] right and uh then the question I mean do other countries do this or this a distinctly American phenomenon
[speaker002:] that I don't know I don't know if uh other countries work as a deficit or not I from what I can understand it's only recent within maybe the last fifty years or so
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know except for wartimes that the U S has had a peacetime debt
[speaker001:] uh-huh well and I guess fifty years would pretty much jive with the last big wartime debt
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and they just seemed like it's a good idea why stop
[speaker002:] yeah I I think if you look at some of the uh government spending curves um you know the the curve always went up around wartime and then dropped back down
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] after World War Two it never dropped back down or it was World War Two or uh Korea I think it never dropped back down
[speaker001:] uh-huh so what do you think is the uh you know if you were in charge what would you what parts would you change to fix this problem
[speaker002:] well you know definitely one thing is to say hey we have a year to year balanced budget
[speaker001:] so at least we wouldn't have that additional uh what was it eighteen percent or yeah
[speaker002:] yeah so you know you know maybe raise taxes for a few years until that debt gets paid off and then say you know unless there is a
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] tremendously bad circumstances like a war or something we should not be running a deficit economy you know that's I mean if you look on the individual level if I were to borrow eighteen percent of what I was spending every year year after year I would very quickly get in trouble with creditors
[speaker001:] uh-huh well it does seem like the uh the quality of the bonds that United States sell would eventually be downgraded doesn't it
[speaker002:] um yeah well that's you know the post wartime Germany they just kept printing up money and you know it became worthless so that's one danger
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh um-hum
[speaker002:] but you know it's that that's a very large chunk of the money we pay in for taxes each year
[speaker001:] it is shocking but apparently no one's willing to oh I'm not no one but by the time it all ends up in Congress seems |
[speaker001:] what are you guys having for Christmas
[speaker002:] what are we having let's see well I'm not planning the menu
[speaker001:] oh you're not
[speaker002:] no we usually go out to either either one of our folks they both live close to but um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know it seems like a a big thing for Christmas is usually ham
[speaker001:] well funny you should mention that I'm a pig farmer yeah
[speaker002:] oh you are huh
[speaker001:] well now it's kind of a hobby more than anything else but we're going to have uh wild boar
[speaker002:] my goodness
[speaker001:] we uh we killed a boar the other day it was you know mating with the sows and you can't use the piglets you know so
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] it's about six months of no use so we uh we shot him and cleaned him out and had him you know processed into ham and uh we're also going to have a little roast suckling pig because I've I've got one that's got a a hernia
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yeah and rather than you know pay the vet four hundred dollars for surgery we'll just cook him and eat him
[speaker002:] is that is that hard
[speaker001:] oh no hey I tell you what preparing a little pig is is a snap I'm telling you it really is it's easier than chicken
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yeah you just uh you kill him you know you probably most guys just shoot them in the head they go you know in a second they're gone and then you just dip the carcass in uh boiling water
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] pull it out and there's a we use a little raspy brush pulls the hair off and uh gut it and uh just stick it down in a pit with some cloves and uh some pineapple couple about three pineapples you know sliced them up and uh cover him up with uh wet uh sacks feed sacks is what I usually use and then start a charcoal fire on top of him
[speaker002:] huh oh my goodness
[speaker001:] and after about six hours you put the fire out and dig that baby out of there and it's the best eating you ever had
[speaker002:] oh well does a boar taste just like regular ham
[speaker001:] it's just like a pig I mean you know uh it has a lot less fat
[speaker002:] does that huh
[speaker001:] uh this this wild boar weighed probably about three hundred and thirty pounds and he dressed out to almost two hundred and ten pounds
[speaker002:] oh my God oh my goodness
[speaker001:] well you and we took the skin and the head and the leg and the feet off and that was about you know a hundred hundred pounds of just ham
[speaker002:] oh well how many people are you planning on serving at Christmas
[speaker001:] oh well we're you know we're not going to eat the whole thing gee that take a year but uh you know we're gonna drive up to Kansas City see my wife's folks
[speaker002:] eat it all yeah
[speaker001:] and uh she she what's what's what's your mother cooking for Christmas yeah well her mom's doing brisket
[speaker002:] I don't what is brisket
[speaker001:] brisket it's a part of the cow that they used to throw away
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] it's just tough as a boot
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and uh you know they used to use it for leather I think
[speaker002:] oh my goodness
[speaker001:] no I mean no I'm just kidding
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh it's it's a part of the loin you know the rib cage and it has a lot of muscles in it and a lot of gristle where it attaches to the ribs so it's really really a tough piece of meat but it's so tasty you can't stand it
[speaker002:] oh my goodness huh
[speaker001:] so you just take it and you marinate it for a couple of days and
[speaker002:] that softens it up huh
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] and then uh
[speaker001:] you just put it in the oven takes about four hours to cook one they weigh about anywhere from ten to twenty pounds
[speaker002:] oh gee
[speaker001:] and uh we're gonna have that
[speaker002:] well what else just serve with your pig pig
[speaker001:] oh well we'll have cranberries and hominy and uh we we are we're big on olives and cucumbers and stuff up here
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so we have olive olives black olives and cucumbers and uh tomatoes we still have tomatoes
[speaker002:] oh do you
[speaker001:] yeah fresh tomatoes
[speaker002:] oh we we just got lots of snow
[speaker001:] well it started to freeze up around here we there there's nothing between you and us but our barb wire and half of that's down I mean it's thirty degrees this morning
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yeah but uh it'll go up to fifty or sixty almost
[speaker002:] huh oh my goodness I didn't know it got that low at night
[speaker001:] but oh yeah well it's desert you know where where we are it's it's it's uh the edge of the desert I mean it's part of the Great Plains so in the day time in the summer it goes up to a hundred a hundred and ten at night it goes down to about sixty
[speaker002:] oh gee my goodness
[speaker001:] yeah we get a fifty degree degree temperature swing in about four hours
[speaker002:] oh boy
[speaker001:] so everything that lives around here is real tough
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] like the trees you know we got hundred year old trees that are you know twenty feet tall
[speaker002:] oh gee
[speaker001:] that's it that's all the bigger they get they you know they're just hard as a rock |
[speaker001:] okay you don't have any children
[speaker002:] no we were never blessed with children um we had a foster child for a while and we're real active
[speaker001:] oh oh
[speaker002:] in church with some of the young people
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I hear I heard one of yours
[speaker001:] oh yes yes we have four and they range in ages from eight until the youngest is eight months so
[speaker002:] so you have a considerable range of of interests and activities and so forth
[speaker001:] right we do and when they were speaking about some of the activities that you like to participate in as a family one of our very favorite is reading we love to read read with our children and to them and and so far they've been they've grown up with a love for reading too and we're very glad about that
[speaker002:] that's terrific you know that's not I've I've observed that that's not done enough these year these days
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] when we had our foster son he was um uh two and a half to three and a half that that year in there and we read every night because we just felt like that was important to spend time
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh oh
[speaker002:] with him there's so little time one-on-one time these days with mechanical or or the electronic uh games and and TV and so forth to draw folks away
[speaker001:] boy I'll say right boy I'll say that's right my with our well where with all of them we start right from the time they were born and and spent time reading with them and and they seem they enjoy it the kids will get the books and bring to us and say you know let's read a book
[speaker002:] did they have them memorized and and know if you're skipping a page
[speaker001:] uh yeah they do they do did you experience that too
[speaker002:] yes it it on nights when it was already really late and I'd try to short circuit it it was no no no
[speaker001:] uh-huh and they catch on pretty quick you mentioned TV watching watching too much TV and I I feel that's a real big problem also I I think that there's just too much of that it's used too much as a babysitter and and
[speaker002:] I totally agree
[speaker001:] people just plop the kids down in front of it and
[speaker002:] now there are some wonderful programs for children and when I had our foster son I was babysitting I had
[speaker001:] that's right um-hum
[speaker002:] four under the age of three and we ended up using television couple times a day when Sesame Street was on
[speaker001:] oh wow uh-huh
[speaker002:] to entertain them but also to do some learning things and then we re-enforced that then with with some of the things that we were involved in if I was in the kitchen and and so forth the little girl wanted to emulate everything I did
[speaker001:] right oh oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so and we talked about the letters and numbers and so fourth so we used it as a tool
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] but not I won't say I was perfect it wasn't ever used as a babysitter while I was busy with one of the others but
[speaker001:] oh that's right that's right and then I can't say say that either but then like you say there's some good shows on it and there's some good videos also that you can rent that are
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] you know real helpful and um we also like to play with our kids I one of one of our other favorite things to do is to have pillow fights with them and they really enjoy that they laugh and you know it's winter here and it's hard to get outside and do a lot of
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] lot of outdoor physical type things and so
[speaker002:] I hadn't thought about that
[speaker001:] yeah so we we do pillow fights and um course just play with them play games and um when you were growing up did you spend time did your family camp or or what other activities
[speaker002:] we did we went camping and then Richard and I did that all through our our twenty years together too so it was something that carried over from both our backgrounds and into into our current life
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh oh that's great
[speaker002:] your your pillow fights reminded me though that when when I was growing up um uh we we spent four years in Utah and then we went from there to Germany and and it was even further north
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh oh boy I'll bet
[speaker002:] and uh daddy used to roughhouse in the winter time with us we'd get on the floor and just you know play play play tickle games and and and hug and cuddle and that was important to do that bonding and I never thought of that till you mentioned the pillow fights
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh oh it is oh
[speaker002:] but we'd get everybody involved in that well it was just my brother and I and we thoroughly enjoyed that that time spent with daddy that we didn't get to see him very much at all
[speaker001:] uh-huh boy I'll say I'll say you do and and I think like you say the bonding and the physical you know loving and touching that's that's very important I feel like so um
[speaker002:] do you have outside the home activities that that you do with the the family
[speaker001:] yes we do we well like I say we the little community we live in it's winter a lot of time so we go sleigh riding and the kids love that they love there's
[speaker002:] yeah oh
[speaker001:] several hills close by that we that are kind of designated sleigh riding hills and and we take the tubes you know the tubes and toboggans and and go and do that in the winter and in the summer um oh bike riding and we go well we've we've each got a bike with the little one we haven't done it this last summer as much because she's just so so tiny that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] we didn't get a chance but um we've got the swings and had a trampoline |
[speaker001:] okay have you faced uh elderly care yet uh nursing home care for any of your parents
[speaker002:] unfortunately yes uh in fact tonight I had a dinner with uh my three brothers and our wives and we were talking uh we had a review with the nursing home staff my mother's in a nursing home
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh we had a review today and a few things we had to do that are part of it that you don't really like like uh making decisions on living wills and extended care that type of thing so yes I'm very familiar with it and it's not something that is uh
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] you know I never thought I'd have to go through this kind of an experience but I guess we all do
[speaker001:] I think sooner or later uh both my mother and my husband's mother we had to end up putting in nursing homes and they were to the point that they only lived both of them about six weeks once they got in
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] and uh-huh and it's absolutely I believe that was one of the hardest things I ever did
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] in my life I that it just you know it's absolutely devastating
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] what have you found in dealing with the nursing homes
[speaker002:] well they're not every all the horror stories you hear about them I think are true uh
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] we've we you know we've looked around and my wife has looked at extensively at all the ones in the area and the one she is in now um there's a lot of drawbacks a lot of things we don't like but again it's no different than everyone and you know the cost of it three three thousand dollars a month when you think about it for what you're paying a hospital for
[speaker001:] hm um-hum
[speaker002:] almost the same well even not as much care
[speaker001:] yes yes
[speaker002:] it's not that expensive really
[speaker001:] no uh there was a little bit of difference in in the two between my mother and my mother-in-law
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh theirs both ran oh I think my mother-in-law's was like fifteen hundred and my mother's was two thousand then this has been five years ago and uh uh one of the things that you know I had discovered is that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] if they knew that I came in there at all different hours they got much better care than if when I started out with my mother-in-law because she was in there first
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I would go certain hours and they knew and if I'd pop in unexpectedly I discovered you know they did a little bit they did better
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] you know uh-huh and you know a couple of times with my mother-in-law I would catch something not being taken care of and you know would have to raise so I got to where I knew then when my mother was in
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that you know not to go the same time all the time
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and they would and when I was looking for the nursing homes another thing that I learned uh we had my mother all set to go into one and for some reason I just went back and on my own went around the different floors
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I saw areas that they had not shown me and they did not come across as well
[speaker002:] well I'll be darned
[speaker001:] as you know what they had originally shown me so uh we did not put her in that one we put her in another one that I I went a couple times when they weren't expecting me and saw and you know was much uh better pleased
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] with the situation
[speaker002:] yeah you you know this is the whole point you've got you've got to shop them
[speaker001:] yes you do
[speaker002:] I know my mother's in now in a unit that's mainly Alzheimer's
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and um we're convinced that she probably would be better off in a geriatric
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the fact that these people are they're up and around but they're they're it's reminds me too much of an asylum type situation situation and it's very very
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh does your mother have Alzheimer's
[speaker002:] she well who knows they call it uh dementia
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh we don't know I mean she does not know us anymore
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and whether it's Alzheimer's or what it is nobody really knows but it's basically the same and her health is not that bad
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] although she has gone down downhill drastically since this this this last well she had been in a retirement community and somewhere in so we're in the back of her mind she had it that she would live with her children well
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] she we we just did not have the capabilities to to take care of her and uh but she she has gone down steadily since she has been in and she's been in the nursing home now for oh I would say about three months
[speaker001:] um-hum did she know that she was going to a nursing home did she know that she was going to a nursing home
[speaker002:] and I'm sorry she no as far as she knew she was going to a hospital
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and that she could she could handle a hospital and we says you know mom if you you know if you get a you get better you've got to have the care the doctor insisted on it you know if you get better that you could come out |
[speaker001:] [Beep] Okay.
[speaker002:] So, what's it been doing up there?
[speaker001:] It's real dry up here.
[speaker002:] Oh, really?
[speaker001:] Yeah. We need rain really bad.
[speaker002:] Oh. Well,
[speaker001:] All the farmers, you know, th-, well, it's good for hay. You know all the farmers got their first cut of hay and everything, [baby] but they're going to need some mor-, you know, rain to get the second cut.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] I, I'm working for a lady who has a strawberry field, and if we don't have rain, she's going to lose a lot of money.
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness. Well, we have been drenched.
[speaker001:] Oh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] We have had so much rain for May and June that we've got all the, uh, weather people down here really confused.
[speaker001:] Oh, my.
[speaker002:] Uh, we, it's probably, it, it's just,
[speaker001:] It's usually dry down there, isn't it?
[speaker002:] Yeah. Right now, by now it's usually, no, you know, it's quit raining, you know, by at least a month.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it's still, we're still having April showers,
[speaker001:] Oh, I hope they come,
[speaker002:] for June.
[speaker001:] this way.
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh, I don't know where, where it came from but it's been really, we got a lot of, uh, we're in central Texas and it feels like we live in Houston.
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, it, it, you know, like it rained today and then it just kind of steamed everything up, you know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, it's been great because we haven't had to use our sprinkler system, but,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] it's, uh, it's hard to plan anything outside just because they show up out of nowhere [barking] and then they're gone. We've had some with really, really high winds that have trashed trees and,
[speaker001:] Oh, my.
[speaker002:] everything else. It's just,
[speaker001:] Now see, every, everyone up here with their gardens they're not going to have much of a garden this year because it's so dry.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, I hope you get some of that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We got enough.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] We have had plenty, and we're still, uh, forecast for more.
[speaker001:] Really?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well, gee,
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack] So,
[speaker001:] uh, does Califor-, is California getting rain then?
[speaker002:] Uh, I'm not real sure. I think a lot of this is coming out of, I think what's happen-, of it's coming out of Canada,
[speaker001:] Out of the Gulf?
[speaker002:] and it's meeting what's coming out of the Gulf.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] And it's just causing chaos and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean these are good, these are good summer rains, you know, electrical storms and, and all that, so it's been, it's been, uh, wet.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And we've moved our yard I think three or four times in the last two or three weeks.
[speaker001:] Oh, my gosh.
[speaker002:] I mean just because it just keeps growing and growing and growing and, and one, one week it just rained, thunderstormed for a day straight and you couldn't get out there.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You just couldn't get out there. By the time you finally got out there where your lawn mower wouldn't sink, we were, you know, yeah, lawn mower broke [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] Oh, well, see, now we need, we could use two days straight of rain.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] It's really drying up, up here.
[speaker002:] Well, what always works for me is if I water my plants or we wash the car, it usually rains. If not that night, the next day [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Does it? I was telling everyone, hang your clothes out on the line and it's surely going to rain.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] Whenever you hang your clothes out on the line it always rains [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um,
[speaker001:] We've had real hot weather.
[speaker002:] Hotter than usual?
[speaker001:] Yeah, yes. We, you know, and, uh, let me think. I got out of school in May. In March I was wearing shorts.
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] I was wearing shorts in March up at college, and, uh, we, w-, what they said is that this area has had its summer weather in the spring.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] Is what they said what happened.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] I hope that,
[speaker002:] I guess that means you're going to get a double long summer.
[speaker001:] Oh, I don't know. But,
[speaker002:] Because you surely wouldn't get,
[speaker001:] I hope that doesn't mean we're going to get an early winter.
[speaker002:] No. I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't, not as early as it came. I mean your talking September, maybe.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] That's a little early. Still the,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah, I was wearing shorts in March. You know it was nippy
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, um, like it was still in the seventies.
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, high sixties low seventies in March.
[speaker002:] Yeah. And we were there, we were in New Jersey last October
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and it was hotter there than it was here.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] It was just like a heat wave.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I was like, oh, I want to go home [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, we haven't,
[speaker002:] Because, uh, we had, we packed to cool off, you know, brought shorts and sweaters and everything and we just died.
[speaker001:] Oh, my gosh.
[speaker002:] It was really hot, so.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] But I like it here. I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade it for snow any day.
[speaker001:] Really?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] See I like, I like the snow but I like to watch it fall, and I just like it where it's deep enough, you know, but not [LAUGHTER] too deep.
[speaker002:] Right. And I can handle a vacation in it and, you know, but my husband is from New Jersey and he wouldn't go back either. He did all the,
[speaker001:] Really?
[speaker002:] shoveling and everything else. He said it was a pain.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] Well, isn't it weird at Christmas time without snow?
[speaker002:] No. I don't think so. Well, see last year we had snow at Christmas time.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] So it really wasn't, it was weird because we had snow [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It's like, wow, it actually fell on the right day.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] So, uh, no, it's not. In fact, uh, you know, we're used to running around in, you know, spring clothes in December, and so when it throws in a real cool winter, we get broken pipes and, and all that kind of stuff and because Texas is, just isn't built for
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, real cold weather for long periods of time.
[speaker001:] Well, it's real dry down there. You don't have the humidity either, do you?
[speaker002:] No, not, not were we are. Now in Houston and stuff they've got it, they've got it where no hairsprayer works. It's so humid at times, but here it's, it's just about right. It's, it's pretty dry and, not too dry where, you know
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you just, it hurts to breathe, but
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] we're just about right. We're just having this, all this rain, and late rain has made it kind of uncomfortable. Made it,
[speaker001:] Yeah, muggy, huh?
[speaker002:] the humidity real high. But no, I like it. Well, we're right in a good stop because we're, you know, we get over in the, over the hundreds in the summer,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but it's, it's not, it's a dry heat and it's not really as hot and muggy as it would be being over a hundred plus ninety degree humidity,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] ninety percent humidity, so.
[speaker001:] See that's what's bad up here is when we do get the real, you know, hundred and the high nineties, we have the humidity to go with it,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] so you're like real mucky and you, you know, yo-, your legs stick together just from walking
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I know what,
[speaker001:] So, um,
[speaker002:] So we like it where we're at. If it's not a whole bunch of everything at once
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] type stuff.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So. But no, it's interesting when it gets really cold here and people forget that they're, live in Texas and they don't know how to drive in snow and,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know. But, uh, I wouldn't trade it for anything [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, that's good.
[speaker002:] I was born in Texas and I visited other areas, and I'm just a sun person I think.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I've gotten used to it.
[speaker001:] Well, I don't know [lipsmack]. Well, I guess that's really about all.
[speaker002:] Yeah, weather is not real hard to talk about [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It doesn't last real long either.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I thought the weather is the last thing you talk about,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] but in this case it's the only thing to talk about.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But, well, Michelle, it's great talking to, |
[speaker001:] Well, let's see.
[speaker002:] So what,
[speaker001:] As far as I'm,
[speaker002:] So what gets you?
[speaker001:] Well, the thing I think that annoys me the most is, I have, I have young children, a baby in the house and, and inevitably as soon as they're asleep, someone calls on the phone trying to sell me something.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I think that, that is probably the most aggravating [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, you know, it invades my time. I'm the one that pays for the phone. Uh, if I want to buy something, I'll take the initiative and, and go find it, you know. And that just really does [breathing] aggravate me. Uh, what do you think?
[speaker002:] Well, I mean I, that's exactly the kind of thing I would have said. Although in my case it's my wife and I both work, we come home and just as we're preparing dinner or eating dinner
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] the phone rings and it's one solicitation call after another and, you know.
[speaker001:] Your time is, is
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, it's
[speaker001:] valuable, and,
[speaker002:] like you say, very annoying and, uh, why, why do we let this happen.
[speaker001:] Oh, I, that's, that's interesting. I the, the market seems to just be growing, too. I, I guess enough people are not speaking out. I'm not speaking out, that's for sure. I just get aggravated about it. And,
[speaker002:] Would, would you, I mean if you could legislate something, what would you legislate?
[speaker001:] [Breathing] I really don't know. I'm, I'm not into [breathing], uh, heavy government legislate-, legislating of a lot of different areas, but I [breathing], I don't know. I just, I do particularly find it annoying. Uh, [NOISE] [lipsmack] I'm really not sure. I haven't given that a lot of thought if, if it should, should go, you know *slash error
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] to be,
[speaker002:] It, it seems, it seems to me that we should have the ability to designate with the phone company that we don't want to receive calls like that. *sv
[speaker001:] Well, that, yeah, that might,
[speaker002:] And the people making these calls would be obliged to c-, compare
[speaker001:] Identify themselves, yeah.
[speaker002:] the, their lists
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] that they're going to call against this list of people who don't want to be called.
[speaker001:] Well, that would be a good
[speaker002:] Uh,
[speaker001:] an interesting way, yeah.
[speaker002:] And, that, that way, those who want it can have it and those who don't want it, don't have to have it.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Sort of like an unlisted number where you haven't gone to the trouble of enlisting yourself.
[speaker001:] Right, you're,
[speaker002:] Except even unlisted numbers aren't safe now because they have these things just sort of dial through all the numbers.
[speaker001:] Oh, is that right? Oh, that's interesting.
[speaker002:] Uh, automatically and,
[speaker001:] And they just get everybody.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Oh, boy. Well, I, I do wish that it would stop on my end
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] because it, it seems to happen at the worst possible moments. And I, I guess the next one is, is door-to-door
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] solicitors. I don't mind the children when they're selling things for school. I have kids and, you know, that's just kind [breathing] of
[speaker002:] Yeah [faint].
[speaker001:] part of it but when it's adults selling a variety of things and especially when men arrive at about ten o'clock in the morning
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, that really, it makes you not feel particularly safe
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] and, it's annoying as well.
[speaker002:] And these, and these people may in fact be just looking to s-, find an unoccupied house to rob.
[speaker001:] Right, you just, you really don't know, so I, I find myself being a l-, a bit abrupt and a little bit ruder than [breathing] than I might normally be
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, I do feel like it's a, an invasion of my space.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh,
[speaker002:] What about these telephone callers. Sometimes they're door-to-door but usually they're telephone callers who, who want you to basically help them fill out a questionnaire. *two utts
[speaker001:] I've never quite understood the purpose of that. Yeah, I, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, I think these people were hired by, from, from different sources.
[speaker001:] Just be-,
[speaker002:] Uh, with, you know, and so, therefore, there's no one answer. But, but, yeah sometimes it's a market sur-, basically it's a market survey
[speaker001:] Just a survey.
[speaker002:] but they never say who, who they're really working for or what [throat clearing], you know, what
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] what, what questions are, you know,
[speaker001:] There have been a couple of times when the, the, uh, whatever the subject was, I guess caught my interest and I went along with it and then there have been several times when I just said, well, I just really don't have the time, you know
[speaker002:] Yeah [faint].
[speaker001:] to deal with it at that moment.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, I don't get too many of those.
[speaker002:] Yeah [faint].
[speaker001:] I've had just a few.
[speaker002:] Yeah [faint].
[speaker001:] Uh, generally someone's trying to sell me something or,
[speaker002:] Right, well, and sometimes that's, this is just the lead in to a sales pitch
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] too. Other times [baby crying] it's, you know, wasting your time
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] to collect the data they want for their [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] marketing purpose. For which, if they would just pay me enough money
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I would be willing to consider.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] But, but a dollar isn't it, you know, it's,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Oh.
[speaker002:] Uh, and I also sort of worry that, you know, that sometimes people giveaway personal information. Uh, when, [baby crying] when the call comes and, and they, uh, you know, sort of seductive, to, you know, somebody is asking me my opinion on all of these things, and so I start answering and then you, you know, you go down a path
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] uh, and you don't know where it's going to end.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, *slash error
[speaker001:] Well, we,
[speaker002:] In fact, you don't even know what you've eventually, you know, the totality of what you've revealed *sv and, you know, *slash error
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker002:] This isn't, you know, prob-, most likely not to, going to be used against you, but it could and,
[speaker001:] Yeah, you just never know, I guess.
[speaker002:] And that seems to be something that should, should really be outlawed.
[speaker001:] That, yeah, I, I,
[speaker002:] Because it's subject to abuse and it,
[speaker001:] Asking for information is, is, I can't really see that, I think they ought to, if, if nothing else, they ought to spend money for a postage stamp and, you know, when it arrives at your house, oh, I, |
[speaker001:] well how how do you feel about the immigration laws
[speaker002:] at currently I think they are a little restrictive uh particularly for uh certain ethnic groups or from certain countries um I think we should permit uh more immigration from eastern Europe for example uh particularly the uh the Jewish uh uh people from Russia I think we could permit more of them in than we have uh permitted in the last uh several years and I think we have uh uh too much restriction on the uh on the Orientals also but of course that's just my opinion
[speaker001:] yeah well I'm not real sure why I got this topic because I don't think I checked it off on the list because I know very little about the current immigration laws
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum well we seem to uh to favor certain uh uh countries particularly South American countries and uh there is no uh uh I have nothing of course against uh the uh the South Americans or uh or Hispanics in that sense but I think we uh are more restrictive of the um so called eastern uh European countries than we uh uh we should be of course that's from my own bias since my ancestors from Eastern Europe so
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and uh so I think uh you know the um embargo we placed on the uh on the Russian Jews although we spent of uh spent years and years uh lobbying for their release and their ability to um immigrate from Russia as soon as that occurred we
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] simply said that uh instead of the uh hundred and fifty thousand or so who wanted to immigrate to this country we cut that by uh two thirds so
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] I do not quite go along with that but
[speaker001:] no that doesn't make a whole of lot sense
[speaker002:] no and I still think you know again kind of having uh uh within this century come from a uh uh an immigrant family or immigrant families on both sides both my mother's parents and my father's parents were immigrants so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I'm a little touchy every now and then about that
[speaker001:] yeah well uh my uh my family is from uh Europe from well from England and Ireland
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh have been in this country for oh more than a hundred and fifty years almost two hundred years
[speaker002:] oh my
[speaker001:] so I don't have any any uh relatives that I am or or uh several generations back that I am familiar with their names and how they fit into the family they were all they were all born here
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I don't have any real strong ties with any with with the immigration laws I don't because I don't I don't have any personal feelings about them and I I haven't taken the time or effort to learn what they are
[speaker002:] well I think in a way though uh uh I also have uh an opposite point of view which is uh although I believe we should uh permit uh you know constant immigration into this country um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I think we should uh primarily for economic reasons I think we should have um some quotas of course my family and I again again that was you know my uh grandparents came over during the time when uh there were quotas so they had to wait uh you know in uh certain parts of Europe for years before they were permitted to come over
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so you know but uh
[speaker001:] yeah I I
[speaker002:] I think unrestricted immigration I think is not uh is not best uh
[speaker001:] well I agree with that I I think if immigration was entirely unrestricted uh not only would would the United States become over populated well more over populated awfully quickly I think it it would bring in a lot of uh people that are run out of other countries or in trouble in in other countries I think they'd come here trying to find a new market for their their brand of crime
[speaker002:] um-hum well you know there's another aspect of this too they're also uh uh diminishing the uh health restrictions which
[speaker001:] I was not aware aware of that
[speaker002:] well yes there are were some uh regulations over I don't know whether they're laws passed or or whatever they're called uh just recently where uh people with certain diseases cannot be excluded uh from immigration AIDS is one for example and uh recently uh tuberculosis which at one time if you had tuberculosis you could not get into this country uh they dropped that also
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so I think in in some some aspect some ways we are uh becoming a little too egalitarian in that in that sense but uh I think we should be a little more circumspect about it again my opinion
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] think we've talked long enough
[speaker001:] I think so
[speaker002:] all right
[speaker001:] well I've enjoyed talking to you
[speaker002:] or I I I have talked long enough
[speaker001:] okay thanks
[speaker002:] thank you bye-bye
[speaker001:] good-bye |
[speaker001:] well actually uh I I don't think I'm in the uh uh majority of in in Texas I don't think I agree with no uh I wouldn't say that I think I would have said that a few years ago when I was younger I thought it was a
[speaker002:] oh really you don't believe in it
[speaker001:] a sign of a civilized society if you didn't have uh capital punishment but um uh maybe slowly changing my opinion
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I'm not thoroughly opposed to it I still think it's sort of true that a a more civilized society wouldn't have to use capital punishment but I'm beginning to believe this is less civilized society than I thought
[speaker002:] you sound a lot like a friend of mine a a girl I hang out with she has very
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] very black and white opinions you know there's no gray in her opinions you know she she probably would agree more with you but but I don't know I think I would rather a person go ahead and be put down than give them the opportunity to get out and do it again I've never had a a punishment or a a crime like a murder touch my immediate family but I still feel very strongly that capital punishment is a good way to to punish especially criminals who seem to have absolutely no remorse for what they've done and we see that more and more like in our state right now there's a fourteen year old boy who
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] raped and then killed a seven year old girl you know that's fourteen years old what's he going to be doing when he turns into an adult
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I certainly don't uh advocate turning people like that loose
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I'm not sure executing them uh does anymore than keeping them in jail but uh
[speaker002:] no it doesn't but it costs less
[speaker001:] yeah that's a factor
[speaker002:] and yeah to me it is I mean I work and I pay my taxes and I lived out in Texas for a little while and they're it that's a pretty heavy state compared to Georgia I mean you guys are are a lot more uh for to each his own even than we are in Georgia but even in Georgia that's the attitude for the most part if I work and pay my dues you work and pay your dues and we'd get along just fine
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] but when I've got to work to pay my dues and your dues
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] then I don't like you very much anymore
[speaker001:] yeah well I the cost is something but it's I think it's relatively unimportant compared to what's the most effective way of dealing with crime and I guess uh I would like I don't know the European countries certainly uh none of them have capital punishment and they don't have a they don't have a crime problem either no you can't they don't execute anybody in Britain
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] or France and I don't believe they do in Germany or Italy either and they don't have the crime problems we do I don't really think that there is too much of a relationship between the two
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I guess what worries me about capital punishment is uh when I see people enthusiastic about it and uh uh sort of bloodthirsty I think it brings out the worst in the in the people who do the punishing and the that that bothers me but it but uh
[speaker002:] you might be right I mean I I'd hate to be the person to pull the switch you know I would never in a million years want that job but I do believe it's necessary and I on the one hand I I guess I admire the person who has the
[speaker001:] hum yeah
[speaker002:] guts to do it because I couldn't I couldn't stand behind a gun and shoot somebody for nothing and I couldn't pull the switch but I
[speaker001:] huh well actually I what the other thing that bothers me is when it becomes a political issue because I don't really think it uh I don't really think it's a subject um very important aspect of fighting crime or law and order or anything else I think it just becomes a uh symbolic I'm tougher than you are type of emotional issue for politicians so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I would like for it to be settled once for all and uh get in the background while the more important issues get discussed uh uh like I said some years ago I think I would have said there's no place for capital punishment in the
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] civilized western country now I'm I'm not so sure of that I'm I I wouldn't vote against somebody just because it was for capital punishment and nor the other way around
[speaker002:] uh-huh what what's making you become more convinced that it might be a
[speaker001:] uh I guess I'm I'm my view of
[speaker002:] good way of punishing
[speaker001:] uh my I'm beginning to believe that some people are simply not rehabilitatable and that uh uh costs and other factors justify uh um executing people maybe it's more a symbolic gesture that um um than anything else and uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I've also never been a victim although I have some I have two friends whose wives were murdered and uh
[speaker002:] oh gosh yes if it ever touched my family
[speaker001:] I can imagine that uh uh for some people it would be the only form of justice in that case |
[speaker001:] right uh actually I lived over in Europe for a couple of years I lived in Germany and in Germany they don't have the jury system what they do is they have uh three judges basically and you get up there and the prosecuting attorney presents his evidence and your defense attorney presents their evidence and those three guys take the evidence go off figure it out and then come back and say whether you're guilty or not
[speaker002:] our our our judicial system is in such total chaos I think what they need to do is they need to somehow take the money out of it I mean when you have a man that's signed a a a statement saying he's guilty we have a a family called all day family they were all murderers
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] all the people signed confessions they went to a trial by jury they been trying these people now for twenty two years ever since I was a child
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] and what they've done is they've bought Mercedes after Mercedes after Mercedes is what they've done has nothing to do with justice whatsoever
[speaker001:] well you know it's it's one of those things I mean uh uh I would have to look at that if they did it with the uh just the judges the police have to do a lot better job of making sure that their evidence is airtight because the judges sitting in that kind of stuff day after day they know all the procedures they know what's good and what isn't they'd be able to say I'm sorry you can't use this as uh evidence you know because it was either illegally obtained or whatever and you know you wouldn't have this uh uh theatrics where the lawyer jumps up and presents it to the to the jury and then the judge says oh no disregard disregard that come on any jury's not going to disregard the evidence you know
[speaker002:] uh that's true I I I think our judicial system is attorney welfare myself
[speaker001:] that may very well be
[speaker002:] I I hold it in the utmost contempt the uh
[speaker001:] uh that's a
[speaker002:] the the my favorite is the police department they're not aimed at the criminal the judicial system is aimed at the citizens because you and I we have work schedules we can be called at work we have Social Security numbers they can trace us down we have telephones and we have checkbooks criminals have none of these things they're real difficult to catch and if they do catch them they don't get any monetary gain out of it whereas us we write a check
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so where do you think they target their efforts
[speaker001:] that's true you do have a
[speaker002:] they target their efforts toward the citizens not the criminals
[speaker001:] well how would you go about changing it
[speaker002:] you know that's a I've nailed the problem down but I
[speaker001:] leave the details up to somebody else huh
[speaker002:] yeah I'm going to have to leave those details like what would you do about I think to begin with you would have you would have like here in Atlanta area our crime rate is just astronomical yet you go out on the streets and they're giving speeding tickets
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I think somehow you have to separate the revenues from
[speaker001:] well you know uh talking about the lawyers you know what might very well do uh cause a uh a drop in the number of lawyers and things like that is to set the fees for cases it's kind of like do it do it in the similar vein similar like uh VCR or television repair if you take your TV in a lot of these TV repair places will say well I'll repair your TV for a hundred dollars and if he gets in there and starts rooting around and finds something in there that's really tremendously wrong with it then he eats it he he repairs it gives it back to you and takes your hundred dollars now if he comes in and says you know I'll repair your your VCR or somebody else's VCR for a hundred dollars gets in there maybe it's a blown fuse takes him two minutes he fixes it he still charges you that hundred dollars so maybe if we did that with the lawyers so that you know whether it's a murder case or a you know a civil uh somebody suing somebody else you get X dollars for that case and that's it none of this
[speaker002:] now I I firmly believe in that because when you get the most heinous of crimes have you ever noticed you always get the most renowned defense attorney and here's this bum that didn't have a job and he's got a attorney that you and I could never afford
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah that's true yeah
[speaker002:] who's paying for that
[speaker001:] um yeah well you you know you're talking to part of them that's paying for that
[speaker002:] yeah and you're talking to the other half that's paying for it
[speaker001:] that's right you know that's it it's it's amazing and and when you stop and look at it I mean the judges they're they're all former lawyers
[speaker002:] yeah well that's another problem I think to really correct the judicial system you have to get the lawyers out of it I mean they're they're totally and morally bankrupt without any ethics whatsoever and with that type person running it I mean you you could expect that you you could expect that you |
[speaker001:] camping um I've been to several different kinds of camping when I I've been to a girls camp where we slept you know in tents and there were a bunch of girls and cooked over the fire and I've also uh been camping in a camper trailer or or on a uh with a truck and a and a camper um when I was younger I really enjoyed going in the in the the trailer I didn't realize until I was older how much how much work there was involved for the for the parents of the camping um are you have what kind of camping have you participated in
[speaker002:] uh I'm a boy scout leader so we we go camping every month
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] you know just you know tent camping of I never really camped in you know in a motor home or a trailer
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] it's always been in a tent
[speaker001:] so when you go do you go to to designated camping sites or just up in the mountains or
[speaker002:] just no no the the the boy scouts have their own you know ranches
[speaker001:] well no mountains there uh-huh
[speaker002:] that they own and they've got park rangers that run them
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and that you know they've got campsites set up and latrines and water and all for the boys
[speaker001:] oh so you you don't really have to rough it too bad huh
[speaker002:] no we we bring our own cooking gear you know the the boys split them up in patrols and they cook their own food and stuff
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh do you do you cook over an open fire or do you have the little camp stoves
[speaker002:] uh we we usually cook over an open fire we've we've got camp stoves in you know in case it's if wood is too wet or something but
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh have you ever done Dutch oven cooking while you're camping
[speaker002:] yeah uh yes we we've cooked stews and cobblers and biscuits and
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] in fact every every time I go I end up having to cook biscuits for breakfast in a Dutch oven so
[speaker001:] oh you must be an expert huh oh
[speaker002:] well just a lot of practice
[speaker001:] oh yeah I've had um we go my family once a year goes up to the in the mountains around here it's to a place called Cup River and and camp out with the family and also a family reunion type thing and my uncle makes uh potatoes and onions in the in the in the Dutch ovens and they are sure good I so I don't know how to cook that way but it's
[speaker002:] yeah we
[speaker001:] I've liked the things I've tasted
[speaker002:] we do that for breakfast sometimes
[speaker001:] oh do you set up your own you take your own tents you say and
[speaker002:] uh yeah the the boy scout troop owns enough has enough tents for the boys you know two man tents one for each boy
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then a couple leaders have big tents that most of the adults you know sleep together in them
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and sometimes sometimes we rough it we went there's a lake called Lake Texoma on a Texas Oklahoma border
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we took the boys backpacking there that they didn't have any you know facilities or anything and we
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] each we packed in our tents we packed in our own groceries our own water and stuff
[speaker001:] oh wow oh wow so you have to
[speaker002:] and boy
[speaker001:] take everything you need and do they did you just find a place that you liked and decided to set up camp there or
[speaker002:] it's it's a it's a state park
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so we just you know had to check with the ranger and tell him where we was going we had a map and all
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] we had the boys the boys hiked in I guess about five miles
[speaker001:] oh wow
[speaker002:] and we set up camp and you know spent a night and
[speaker001:] uh-huh do the boys like that kind of better or do they like to just go where it's close and the facilities there
[speaker002:] oh they they seem to like the roughing because they want to go again next month
[speaker001:] oh next month in December oh I keep forgetting you're it's not as cold there as it is here oh well I when I was a fourth year uh
[speaker002:] yeah no it's
[speaker001:] girl scout camper we we hiked into a spot and that was um by a lake and it was beautiful and I almost think that's you feel more rewarded when you when you do it that way than when you drive in with uh other stuff it is a lot more work though
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it takes a lot more so did you camp when you were growing up or is this something you've just done as a result
[speaker002:] uh I was in scouts as a kid so you know I've gotten when camp with kids I've gotten used to it and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh my wife was from Mississippi out in the country and she's her family camps they you know they spend they spend a week on a lake fishing and stuff uh
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] in fact a few years ago we on Labor Day weekend we went into the Arbuckle Mountains in Oklahoma
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] took three days we camped at a different site each day
[speaker001:] oh how nice
[speaker002:] and that was enjoyable
[speaker001:] boy that sounds like it sounds like it was a a nice trip huh I yeah I have lots of good memories when we always used to take a week in the summer my family and have lots of good memories of sitting around the campfire and marshmallows and ghost stories |
[speaker002:] the federal budget boy
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] I was just writing something down that came to mind as I observed what's happened in our society um we I think have become uh dependent upon our federal government to do things for us that really only we can do for ourself
[speaker001:] I agree with that
[speaker002:] and I think more and more people are recognizing that and in addition to that uh we have elected people who really don't know how to manage the money uh they collect
[speaker001:] well what we've got um in my view is is a situation where we've got more people like you say that are customed that are accustomed to being taken care of and than we
[speaker002:] I mean I think it really affects all of us to a degree Glen I think we are I mean I I went through a P H D program that was funded by the Office of Navel Research that's now investigating Stanford and Harvard and MIT
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean we're talking about things that have done some good but have institutionalized corruption
[speaker001:] yeah well I I really I think if you from a
[speaker002:] I mean uh you know I hate to admit that in a way but it's true
[speaker001:] yeah I I really do think that I think the first thing that we need to do and it it would be a hard uh a hard uh medicine uh for everybody to swallow but I think we're gonna have to eventually balance the budget or we're gonna sink we can't continue to pay the kind of interest that we're paying on the deficit
[speaker002:] right well and we need to spend the money better I mean we do not need eight hundred military bases around the world
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] there are lot of things we don't we don't need to be subsidizing tobacco farmers we don't need to be subsidizing water rights for people who are wealthy farm I mean basically you know it it is really true that this this country is suffering because um we are it's not that we don't have the resources we are just squandering them
[speaker001:] oh yeah throwing them away uh it's just like uh uh programs that are federally funded that if they if the they don't spend their allotment
[speaker002:] that's the way it was working on a defense department contract that's what happened
[speaker001:] then they're then they're subject to losing the next year's allotment
[speaker002:] right well that's the way the that's the way the thing works
[speaker001:] yeah and go into a spending frenzy at the year of the end at year end
[speaker002:] that's right I've seen that happen and it it's what's even sadder and what I think is the the tragic part of it that you see in this case of Stanford and MIT and these other universities that are now being investigated for criminal violations is that I think the attitude develops that we deserve this because we're the smart guys and without us society can't function and that that's no license to steal
[speaker001:] um-hum right that's true
[speaker002:] I mean I I honest to God believe that's what what's been going on and that was sort of seeped into the way we operated in those contexts
[speaker001:] well and
[speaker002:] and at the time I you know people I mean it was it was acceptable it's no longer acceptable
[speaker001:] well and well and so many people have have uh the feeling that well if it's if there if it's federal money then it's free money well it's not it costs everybody
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and uh it you know just because you can uh get something from the feds uh that doesn't necessarily make it morally uh responsible
[speaker002:] right and it it's not up to the federal government necessarily to do a lot of things that people are now thinking it ought to do for example determine what industry should survive and what shouldn't survive and do a you know variety of other things if we put the money in the right place which is investing in people in the development of human capital in retraining programs for these poor people who really kind of went through school and got an high school education and thought they'd be able to at least function in a competitive marketplace or went through college or or went out into the marketplace and
[speaker001:] well and and and well don't even began to talk about the educational system I mean that is one example where it's being proven that throwing money does not create a good education okay
[speaker002:] right well and as the product of the academy I can tell you you know if it were that good how come they haven't been able to mass merchandise it and deliver it to everybody how come everybody is not the beneficiary of a Harvard MIT or Stanford education if it's that good and you really
[speaker001:] yeah yeah but I'm even talking I'm I'm not even I'm not even talking about higher education we're I'm talking about the the kids that we've got now they come out of high school that can't read and write and that also it just even the ones that that do read and write that really have a very poor poor grasp of of what a secondary education should have given them
[speaker002:] right but all the people who who are responsible for handling these kids were trained in universities and colleges
[speaker001:] uh true
[speaker002:] okay and my point is hey wait a minute something's wrong here these people are claiming this is the best well if it's the best then it should be translated right on down the line and the general I mean how long has Harvard been around
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] okay so ask yourself some questions why don't we have a higher quality with one of the world's great universities Harvard and Stanford both have schools of education
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean this is a focus it's not like this isn't an interest of theirs this is a specific focus two of the best funded institutions in the country
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] premier universities in the world hey wait a minute how come they can't produce something like MTV which kids want |
[speaker001:] All right.
[speaker002:] Okay, are you on an exercise program now or,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I exercise pretty regularly.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I lift weights quite a bit.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um, I run occasionally. Let's see what else do I do. Play golf some, and I work out on a, on a hanging bag. I'm brown belt in karate, so I
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] keep up with that a little bit.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] How about you.
[speaker002:] Um, the only exercise program I'm doing right now is walking.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I've got a nine month old, and I'm four months pregnant with my second, and so, at the time, walking seems to be the best. It's something I can do with her, plus, um, doesn't tax me too physically.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I have enjoyed aerobics in the past, and I enjoy that because I like the group association, you know, like exercising with other people.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, um, and that's my favorite way to exercise.
[speaker001:] Well, that's neat. Yeah, I do walk some too. My wife's about five months along
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] so she's been walking quite a bit, so that is a good exercise for that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's nice to do it together, too, I guess.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] My husband and I use to walk together, but our schedules don't coincide as well as they used to, and so, we very seldom get together to walk but, when you, when you work out, do you pretty much do it on your own schedule, or do you go to groups or,
[speaker001:] I, I do it on my own schedule.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We used to try and belong to clubs or the Y, stuff like that, but it was so difficult to go on a regular basis, to drive the distance you have to go.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Save the fees, we've, uh, just save the fees and buy some of our own equipment. So,
[speaker002:] And then you can do it whenever you want I guess.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I've got a weight bench, and we got my wife an exercise bike, and I use that sometimes too.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's a little more convenient, but, you're, I guess you're not as dedicated if you don't drive [baby talking] over to do it.
[speaker002:] I guess it depends on the person, depends on how [LAUGHTER] motivated you are.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Because my husband used to work out three days a week with, uh, at the Texas Instruments gym.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And then I would just go on Saturdays. But, since the first of the year neither one of us have been going.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So, I guess, like I say, we've been paying these fees and not going, so it's kind of a waste of money if you don't take advantage of it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think you really have to be disciplined.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I, uh, I try to work out at least a couple of times a week, and I think you really have to, at least twice a week, just to maintain the shape that you're in.
[speaker002:] Yeah. With the walking, I think they said you need to walk at least twelve miles a week for it to be aerobically [pause] beneficial.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And we, I have two friends, that we walk. They have babies that are about the same ages as, as mine, and we've been walking every morning at, going when it was cold we would go to the mall because you can't take the babies out
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] very easily. So we, when we go, we have about, do about fifteen miles a week, but the last little while, for one reason or another, we haven't been [LAUGHTER] real consistent. So [pause] it's a little harder when you're depending on other people to do it with you
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because you have to meet their schedules as well, but
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] but I enjoy doing it more when I've got other people with me. You know, I usually do it because I want to, because I know it's good for me, not because, I don't feel obligated to do it. I enjoy it. If I feel too obligated to do it, I start to rebel, and I won't be as consistent with it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I understand. Did you exercise between your first child and your second?
[speaker002:] I exercised pretty well up until I found, uh, until I was pregnant, and I started having pains. So I've calmed down everything except, I was working out doing aerobic exercises as well as the, um, walking,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I had to stop the aerobics because it was just kind of [pause] painful. But the T I rec center has an aerobics program for, for, um, prenatal and postnatal aerobic type thing.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] And I was going to wait until, um, about my sixth month and then start that. I did that with the second baby, and, um, I went to my exercise class one day, and then she was delivered the next day.
[speaker001:] Gosh.
[speaker002:] So, it would seem to be real beneficial.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah. Maybe it, maybe it speeded up the process and all that.
[speaker002:] Well I think it made parts of it a lot easier. And, and is this your first that you're having?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, well, then I don't know how much you've been through it, but I think parts of it made a lot easier. And, I've talked to a lot of ladies that exercise with one pregnancy and didn't with the other, and they said that they had ex-, that the one they had exercised with was three or four times easier.
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] And we've, I had, having both of them natural, the first one was natural and going natural the second, and, and it's, it's rough but [LAUGHTER] it's not as bad as I thought it would be, and I think the exercise helped.
[speaker001:] Well, that's good.
[speaker002:] So, do you work with T I?
[speaker001:] No, I don't. My, my wife has been working with them.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, well then she could go if she were interested.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I think, that's what the class that meets on Saturday mornings. So she could find out if she wanted to go. [baby crying] It's kind of fun because with the first pregnancy all the other ladies except one were on their first pregnancy, and they would talk about exercise and just general things relating to the birthing process. And so for us it was educational [LAUGHTER] as well as exercise beneficial. So,
[speaker001:] At least its something you enjoy. I know a lot of people that talk about exercise and say, Well, I don't want to exercise, it's too much work. But there's a lot of different things you can do that are enjoyable that you don't have to strain yourself or sweat
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] or be real sore afterwards.
[speaker002:] Yeah. [LAUGHTER] And sometimes if you get a little soreness you feel like, Well I've done a good job because I got, worked myself to that point. But I guess that you don't want to overdo. But [baby] [pause], well have we reached our limit? I'm not sure how long we've been talking but,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think we've talked about six minutes or so.
[speaker002:] Okay, well it's been good talking to you.
[speaker001:] Been good talking to you as well.
[speaker002:] Okay, I hope your baby goes well
[speaker001:] Thanks.
[speaker002:] comes out well.
[speaker001:] Yours too.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] All right. What is your favorite show?
[speaker002:] Well, I was just trying to think. When they called, I didn't have as much time to prepare for this as I did some of the others. Um, I love watching some of the, uh, new, new shows basically.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And we, uh, to-, we subscribe to C N N and we took that, and we started watching a lot of those especially during the war or during anything kind of thing like the earthquake, and I have gotten stuck on a lot of this. The new shows and the stuff that comes on that, that it, you know, like the, uh, at night the discussion talk shows and things.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And we really haven't gotten a lot into the sitcoms that are current, uh, especially with the kids here because we have to kind of filter it before they get here.
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] We have little ones. Uh, we do let them watch NINE ONE ONE,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and we think that's kind of informative to teach them,
[speaker001:] It really is.
[speaker002:] how to handle things in situations.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] What do you watch?
[speaker001:] I watch just about anything,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but not a lot of,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] T V. I mean I'll watch, you know, maybe a little while when I first get home in the evening.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I usually watch, you know, the news and then I'll watch that HARD COPY or
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. That's the same thing we do.
[speaker001:] or that kind of thing, you know, and I like the NINE ONE ONE,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and UNSOLVED MYSTERIES.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that kind, that's the kind I like really more than,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the sitcoms. I haven't gotten,
[speaker001:] Now, I do,
[speaker002:] into many of those.
[speaker001:] like, my husband is really crazy about EVENING SHADE that comes on, on Monday evening.
[speaker002:] I have heard that's real good.
[speaker001:] And I,
[speaker002:] That's,
[speaker001:] uh,
[speaker002:] Burt Reynolds, isn't it?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I've heard that.
[speaker001:] And I've got to where every Monday I rush around so I could sit and watch that with him because it's really funny.
[speaker002:] Now someone told me that and also, uh, I meant to be trying to pick up on MURPHY BROWN,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because they said that that was really good this season.
[speaker001:] Well, his favorite night is Monday night so we've got to where we will sit,
[speaker002:] You've got to [LAUGHTER] yeah,
[speaker001:] and watch it on Monday night,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] because that and then that, uh, oh, I can't even think of the name of it. Like I say I'm not,
[speaker002:] DESIGNING WOMEN is on that night,
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] too.
[speaker001:] and the one with the, the sergeant that married the woman with the kids, Sergeant McGillis.
[speaker002:] Huh, I don't even know.
[speaker001:] Sergeant, uh, MA-, MAJOR DAD.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. Now I,
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] we've never even seen that.
[speaker001:] that comes on right after, uh, the EVENING SHADE and then MURPHY BROWN,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and DESIGNING WOMEN. So we always, he watches that and I kind of s-, I watch the first one then kind of sit in on the others,
[speaker002:] On the others.
[speaker001:] as I can.
[speaker002:] Well, you know, on Friday nights especially, we like to watch TWENTY TWENTY.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Or, um,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It's kind of a competition on Thursdays between PRIME TIME and KNOTS LANDING.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, uh, we used to like KNOTS LANDING a lot. Oh, excuse me just a minute [talks to someone in the background]. [very faint.] The money is right there on the thing and the coupon.
[speaker001:] Well, you can't hardly watch KNOTS LANDING with the little kids around though.
[speaker002:] Oh, I know. That's the thing. And so,
[speaker001:] Except they,
[speaker002:] we,
[speaker001:] probably are in bed,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] by nine.
[speaker002:] Well, they are. In fact, on weeknights they are in bed by eight, but we have just gotten any more that where we just keep it off.
[speaker001:] Did you get your pizza taken care of?
[speaker002:] Yeah, he has gone [LAUGHTER] to get it.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Thank you [LAUGHTER]. Um, but I was to say on Saturdays there is absolutely nothing and that's the day my husband,
[speaker001:] Well, do you know,
[speaker002:] wants to. [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I have picked up a show lately on Saturday night that I've really liked and that's SISTERS. Have you watched that?
[speaker002:] No, but I saw that advertised today and it sounds like it's not fluff. It sounds like it's good.
[speaker001:] It's really, you know, it's really pretty good.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean, it's kind of like, you know, um, soap opera I guess.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's what they said it was kind of,
[speaker001:] But it's a,
[speaker002:] a little more drama to it.
[speaker001:] So far it, I've watched it about three times now and it's really held my attention. It's been pretty good. Some,
[speaker002:] Well, and a-,
[speaker001:] pretty good acting.
[speaker002:] and another one now that it's getting darker and you are wanting to cocoon more, that they said is excellent is the I'LL FLY AWAY and BROOKLYN BRIDGE. Some of these,
[speaker001:] Now I watched,
[speaker002:] that are nostalgic.
[speaker001:] BROOKLYN BRIDGE this week for the first time,
[speaker002:] Did you,
[speaker001:] but I haven't,
[speaker002:] like it?
[speaker001:] I did. I liked it.
[speaker002:] Did you? Well, they said that one and I'LL FLY AWAY are really quality, you know and,
[speaker001:] Now I haven't seen I'LL FLY AWAY yet.
[speaker002:] I haven't seen it either. I think what I need to do is kind of read to see what is on these days because by the time we get the kids in bed at eight o'clock and then I get my bath
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it's, you know, it's almost too late to start,
[speaker001:] It's nearly,
[speaker002:] something new.
[speaker001:] too late for T V.
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's the way I am. I get in,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] from work and I'm tired and I sit and watch for a few minutes so I have to get up and do dinner,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and everything. [Lipsmack].
[speaker002:] Yeah, and then we've gotten to where we rent videos for weekend nights.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] So, it's like,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] we are kind of,
[speaker001:] That's us.
[speaker002:] tuned out of our T V.
[speaker001:] If we are home on the weekend, we always watch videos, so.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, we do too.
[speaker001:] But there are some good shows on. I, I really probably should watch more of them than I do.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I like, I don't know I, I'm always in to making things and,
[speaker002:] I don't know, yeah. There's a lot more to do with,
[speaker001:] And I don't just spend all my time,
[speaker002:] with your time when you get into it.
[speaker001:] and I, my husband, now he sits and watches T V constantly.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well, my, my sister and them and her husband do on weekends. They don't have children yet, and they just turn it on when they walk in, they turn it off when they leave.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So they are used to that too.
[speaker001:] I could be around here for hours by myself and never have it on.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I understand. Same here.
[speaker001:] But, uh, but there are some really good new shows that I have enjoyed, and I'll have to watch that I'LL FLY AWAY this week.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's real good. And then of course, in the afternoons if I get in from work in time I watch OPRAH, some of those,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, talk shows. I like her.
[speaker001:] I never get in in time for any of those.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Very faint] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, it's, it's nice talking to you. I guess we've kind of exhausted this one, but it's nice talking with you.
[speaker001:] Well, it's nice talking with you.
[speaker002:] Thank you.
[speaker001:] Bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] okay are you on any kind of uh regular exercise plan
[speaker002:] I I yeah I'm yeah I I do aerobics uh step classes and um toning classes yes
[speaker001:] step classes what's that
[speaker002:] it's um it's a new uh form I think uh it's like low impact aerobics but at it
[speaker001:] oh instead of hopping and jumping your just stepping
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah you you have a step and you literally step up on the step and move your arms it's it's it's it's new it's fun
[speaker001:] oh okay huh I probably couldn't do that because of my knee
[speaker002:] uh-huh bad knee
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um and uh I do toning a lot and uh some every once in a while I play tennis
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I'm not too great at it but I I try to play
[speaker001:] yeah I've I've kind of gotten out of the habit myself I mean it's I guess what I do now is I play softball right now that's about well right now I'm on two teams so it's four nights a week but uh
[speaker002:] um-hum gosh
[speaker001:] uh so I enjoy it but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] as far as you know uh instead of having to join a health club and make myself go out there I went and bought a weight bench and don't ever hardly use it need to need to make myself do that
[speaker002:] uh-huh right yeah yeah I slacked off a little because of um I'm about to graduate from college and so this past couple months have been really hectic so I haven't really gone and I've really been faithful these past two months of going to the health club and working out but
[speaker001:] what school you going to
[speaker002:] I'm at East Carolina
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] but um no I uh my step classes and toning is about the only thing well I mean
[speaker001:] now what's what's toning is that lifting lifting weights
[speaker002:] it's it's um like isolated movements for each muscle certain muscles groups you can do with
[speaker001:] oh okay isometrics stuff like that
[speaker002:] yeah you can do it with certain you know you can do it with weights if you wanted to but you know you leave out of there usually the next morning if you haven't done it in a while you wake up the next morning you're like oh no what did I do to myself and your whole body aches you know um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I know I'm looking forward to getting back into getting into shape uh I feel like I'm out of shape but I feel guilty for not going because I really I'm I'm so used to going for you know three or four years now but um
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I stayed in pretty good shape during school I played baseball all the way through and you know working out six hours a day usually six or seven days a week that kind of kept us all in pretty good shape
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh yeah oh yeah
[speaker001:] but uh ever ever since I got out of school you know just jumped right into the job and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I guess the job that I'm in it's stuff to stay on any kind of a regular schedule
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] because I work some weird hours and do some traveling and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] no some
[speaker002:] um I walk a lot because uh you know being in in school we I don't know if your campus was anything like ours but our parking lot's in one end of the of the campus and the school the buildings are all at the other end so
[speaker001:] yeah no I didn't have well much of a problem we I guess I went to a small Baptist school and we had about when I was there maybe thirteen hundred people so it's pretty small yeah
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh okay that's if yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but I usually get in at least a couple of miles at work just walking around the plant
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] yeah it's uh I live I live on the second story apartments so I walk up and down stairs all day long so
[speaker001:] uh uh we've got a one story house now that's that's enough I guess I push the lawn mower around that's fairly regular
[speaker002:] yeah that's one of the exercise now I I um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] would like to start running I've never been much of a runner but I want to start I want to run but I don't I don't know if I'll be able to to do it
[speaker001:] what just because you you don't like to or because because you won't be able to
[speaker002:] I'm I'm afraid I won't be able to I wish I'd
[speaker001:] oh if you do if you do aerobics you shouldn't have any problem running
[speaker002:] yeah I hope not oh
[speaker001:] we've we've ride our bike occasionally but again not nearly often enough
[speaker002:] uh-huh I don't even own a bike I think the last time I was on a bike when I was about twelve so uh I don't know I'd be afraid afraid I probably forgot how to ride a bike you know
[speaker001:] no you can't forget how to ride a bike
[speaker002:] yeah but um no I guess that's about the only form I'm trying to think of of other things that I do that would be considered exercise or things I should do
[speaker001:] yeah now when I was going to I I went to a junior college for a couple of years and played baseball and then transferred well when we were at this junior college uh
[speaker002:] I know
[speaker001:] our coach you know we one semester the whole team was required to take aerobics and the next semester they were required to do weight lifting
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so they uh I mean it was a regular I mean we had it for course credit but still I mean it was pretty high impact stuff
[speaker002:] uh-huh those aerobic classes are are tough the the high impact
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] definitely are are tough classes
[speaker001:] yeah and she'd uh you know most of the guys were all in one class so she'd kind of lay it on occasionally you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] first thing eight I think we had eight o'clock in the morning was our class
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] wake up
[speaker002:] well now they have those uh those exercise bands now that are better that you can use for like toning instead of using a weight you have like bands I don't know if you've seen them they're
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I think my wife has some
[speaker002:] yeah they're they're weird they're uh you get uh they're just made of I guess it's different kinds of rubber uh and they get
[speaker001:] um-hum or sand even some of them well no they're elastic so I guess it wouldn't be sand
[speaker002:] uh-huh and there's some that like the different colors denotes how much they how much the tension I guess they are and how easy they are to move
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] uh there's like I know there's purple gray and uh green and some of them are real short and they're the ones that are the tough ones to use you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh those classes I I enjoy uh I think uh with the aerobic classes you have to get an instructor that's fun if you don't have one that's fun and not enjoy it look not acting like she's enjoying what she's doing the class is not going to get out uh what they should get out of the class
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh if the
[speaker001:] so are you going to get into instructing well what are you studying
[speaker002:] oh I'm an interior design major
[speaker001:] oh okay not in the not in the aerobic instructor type field
[speaker002:] oh no no no no oh I could never do that I don't think I'd rather just be the student
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh oh occasionally I do the weights at the health club but low weights just
[speaker001:] yeah the uh the some of the Nautilus equipment that I started seeing at the one that we used to go to was really interesting I mean they they they really know how to isolate each of the different muscle groups
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] with those things but man they are ah uh I don't know to me that was just too much of a hassle to get all geared up and take the time to drive over there and workout and then drive back
[speaker002:] um-hum right well they um I just noticed at our health club they they put on these computerized one these computerized machines and you set a speed on it and the weight and it and it makes you do it and it tells you like if you're going too slow it will say my grandmother could do this faster than you and stuff like a turtle goes faster and um it tells it and the whole place can hear what this machine is telling you
[speaker001:] a little negative reinforcement there while you're going
[speaker002:] yeah so uh do that stuff like that but just I've never used those machines I just use the regular machines and the free weights you know like little five pound hand weights and eight pound hand weights
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] just to do you know some bicep tricep exercises sit-ups of course
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's where I'm really starting to get noticeable I'm just getting real soft in the middle
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh yeah I think that's uh number one problem with everyone
[speaker001:] um-hum I haven't really started to put on a lot of weight I'm I guess I probably put on about ten nine or ten pounds since I stopped playing which was about four years ago
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I've just myself I just notice myself just really real soft and I'm sure I don't have near the endurance that I did
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but I I intend I keep saying I intend to get back into it
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] I just need to put the old nose to the grindstone I I I guess at that point it would turn into a task
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't consider it fun doing that but
[speaker002:] right yeah I plan on getting back once I graduate next weekend
[speaker001:] next weekend all right
[speaker002:] next weekend yeah one week then I plan to get right back into it you know it's it does a lot for you I think makes you feel a lot better
[speaker001:] yeah oh no yeah there there's no no question the the end result is great and I I mean I enjoyed you know we when I was playing ball we could like run all day and not be tired you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh and I mean you feel so much better about yourself just that you know
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] you don't feel guilty when you eat that cake after dinner
[speaker001:] oh I still don't but
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] yeah well good luck on your graduation and your
[speaker002:] alrighty well thank you it was nice talking to you okay bye-bye
[speaker001:] yeah you too bye |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] all right uh feelings on what caused the S and L crisis I guess I don't have a real technical knowledge for what happened I gather that there where large numbers of situations where loan were made that appear to be a good loan but in a speculative since and with have little regulation going on because of deregulation during the Reagan eight years uh more and more S and L simply began to take riskier and riskier loans and then when they began to collapse one after the other I think almost like an avalanche of of property values devalued
[speaker001:] um-hum kind of like a domino's effect
[speaker002:] right I don't have a a field for whether or not this is the equivalent of what was called the teapot dome
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] uh scandal are you familiar with that from your histories lessons or whatever
[speaker001:] no no
[speaker002:] uh I vaguely recall but I've never gone and done any study on it since the S and L thing that teapot dome scandal is when I think during the Hoover years where gobs of land was was sold at really inflated prices on the theory that there were natural gas beneath it and that that appeared to be corruption within the Hoover administration I don't have a real since of of like corruption that caused S and L all though I have a feeling that people look the other way when things began to go sour
[speaker001:] um-hum no I don't think it was really corruption that caused it
[speaker002:] maybe
[speaker001:] or within I think people just started you know not not being as careful with the loans that they were making whenever you you know whenever they gave them out
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I think maybe they didn't check into them enough or maybe because everyone else was doing they figured they would just go ahead and approve it also so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it it seems like there were on awful a lot of people making loans and business decisions on a get rich quick is is the wrong phrase but if it captures some of the the feeling I have from the people making business decisions that if they failed it's sort of well no skin of my back I'll move on to this other company or
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I I just since that they didn't have a commitment to the stability of the organizations they were were making the decisions for and I don't know whether that's because they had other opportunities to which they could move
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know that it was that easy for them to find new work that they didn't weren't stuck to where they were and as the things begin to collapse they just moved on
[speaker001:] I'm not sure
[speaker002:] or whether they had extracted enough money in a percentage base such that they didn't they didn't care any more I I just I'm rather puzzled about the whole thing
[speaker001:] um-hum I know well I'm um I know a little bit about it but I don't as much as I should know about it I'm a finance major here at Clarion
[speaker002:] it okay
[speaker001:] and um I do know that one of the reasons that caused it is the fact that the federal reserved backed any loan that the Savings and L made with a a hundred thousand dollars so they were kind of insured with that hundred thousand dollars and I think that's kind of why they they were making the riskier loans because they were like oh well we have a hundred thousand dollars insurance on it
[speaker002:] well they didn't they didn't have a since of risk
[speaker001:] no I don't think so
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] and uh plus where the fact where they were allowed to make loans in any almost any type of loan and like some banks you know they're limited to the types of loans that they're allowed to make
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I think the S and L's were more open with the types of loans that they were allowed to make
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and I think if they would be more bound to certain loans and not as high of insurance by the reserve then I don't think this would have happened
[speaker002:] well do you think we there's a final accounting yet not in the since of pennies and nickels but do you think there's accounting on an ordered of magnitude or that that they really do understand how much money it is for awhile it seemed like every time I opened the paper up it was escalating in terms of the damage uh did is your since that we now understand how bad it is
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] or is there more to be heard yet
[speaker001:] um I think that people just basically got tired of hearing it and it wasn't making it was wasn't as good news as it was I think it's still adding you know adding up and I think it will be for awhile
[speaker002:] so you don't think necessarily they don't have a complete grasp yet or whether or
[speaker001:] no I don't I don't think they do I don't think how I don't think how they could find that big how much was really lost or how much they were going to lose because there still are some S and L's still open
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it's and it's very possible for them to go down in the future because of this
[speaker002:] to be caught in the land slide
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] do you think to possibly is that it'll happen with the regular banks
[speaker001:] I I don't know I think I think it would be harder but I think there are some regular banks that will go down with it
[speaker002:] it seems that I recall reading for the last oh let's say starting three years ago but not so much in the last year of bank risks of relative to the loaning funds to third world countries like Mexico Venezuela
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh and Argentina based on oil loans and then the price of oil had had gone south resulting in those loans being very risky and I guess I read articles of various banks that have done the right thing to contain their risks given that they had made multiple billion dollar loans I have this vague since that that could happen that that there are still monies loaned out to third world countries that could end up being totally lost
[speaker001:] oh yeah um in some of my classes now I was just reading I think it was in Venezuela I can't remember what company it was but they just wrote off like millions of dollars because they know they will never get it back
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know and they just they just wrote it right off I think I think we've lost a lot of money and you know like we every never going to get it back it's impossible to get it back
[speaker002:] and so you think that it's just gone
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah because we're we're you know we're talking about some peens that have just like even gave up on getting it back they're even trying any more
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] they just totally wrote it off their book
[speaker002:] do you think it is necessary to have the federal guaranty program like my since is that was there to try to protect small investors but it ended up protecting big investors
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] which I don't think what it was meant to do so I guess it I feel like as long as we have the possibility for this large numbers of people to be protected the possibility exists for for these sorts of of problems
[speaker001:] um-hum um yeah I think is it necessary to have um the backing um it it's it's just for you know safe purposes you know in case something would happen um yeah as long as there's enough little companies we're going to have to ha ve something
[speaker002:] um so your since is that the that uh the the loan guarantees which really were accounts guaranties so the so that the account holders that if something went wrong they would have their money
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] and given that the S and L's have had disasters then those account holders are are their money is still being protected
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and that is it's million of people with anywhere from thousands to tens of thousands I guess of
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] of dollars being protected it it seems like um there was a lot of money being protected in multiple accounts uh it's if if you take ten million people and protect ten thousand dollars it still only a hundred billion billion dollars and we're taking about monies way in access of that now so it's obvious that we've protected large accounts
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and perhaps multiple people in multiple S and L's and and it seems like maybe that needs to be thought about rethought
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know that the for I guess I'm content with the need to have protection on on accounts but I feel likes it's on an individual basis someone whose got
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] accounts in thirty five different S and L's or thirty or forty thousand dollars and they're all protected by the government seems to me like they've gotten around what was intended to be the issue there
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I guess I don't have a personal sense of vulnerability on it since I was not a heavy user of any S and L's and and let alone any of them that went bankrupt
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I guess that means that from my perspective it could happen again because that means I'm not worried enough
[speaker001:] I think it could happen yeah
[speaker002:] uh it's kind of thing where maybe we'll survive and then I then it will happen again because we don't pay attention to those kinds of things
[speaker001:] um-hum I think it'll happen again but I think it'll be a long time in the future before it does happen again because I think like the bank people and any kind of people like that are gonna be worried about it and not to let it happen again in the near future but I think later on they're gonna start and forget about it and start making some of the riskier loans I mean you're gonna have to take some risks and as long as they're backed I think they're still gonna you know start taking on riskier loans and I think there is a chance it could happen again but not until you know late you know in the future
[speaker002:] uh-huh well perhaps if there are regulatory um constraints put back in place
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it will protect that maybe we have learned a little bit of a lesson here about what happens if you remove a little of the regulation uh |
[speaker001:] okay Gene so it's nice to talk with you and um food is a very intriguing thing our lives are are built around foods that we like and and nutritionally good for us what kind of dining out do you like
[speaker002:] yes sir well there is two kinds one I guess I'd say is with my wife where we enjoy uh
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] oh I guess we usually enjoy a good seafood restaurant uh you know something nice
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and the other is with my whole family whom we uh go somewhere that the kids will enjoy uh recently we've been hitting Pancho's up it's a local Mexican restaurant pretty heavily because they've got a good rate on the you know good prices and everything
[speaker001:] uh-huh Pancho that's a new one um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it's it's a chain down here uh it goes up into Colorado and down here I don't know where else it is what about you
[speaker001:] we had one called Chi-Chi's in this in our area
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and uh we had a restaurant called La Bamba but it's just it closed recently but Chi-Chi's is a national restaurant I think isn't it Mexican do you have it there
[speaker002:] I think think it might be I've seen I think I've seen it around yes sir yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I love Mexican food myself
[speaker002:] oh do you yeah
[speaker001:] but you go ahead now
[speaker002:] oh we we do too we uh we enjoy Mexican food I'm just not impressed with the quality of it it's just primarily the price that's uh satisfying at this point but the kids seem to enjoy it
[speaker001:] is that right uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh let's see we've uh just recently discovered a super restaurant down here but it's uh not part of a chain it's just an individually owned seafood restaurant but the first one we've been to that uh I don't think there was anything on the menu that that any of us had that was uh not just really super it's nice to find a place like that
[speaker001:] oh boy that is wonderful well I I agree with you on that and I was was really a seafood addict myself I I love crab meat in particular
[speaker002:] you know yeah um
[speaker001:] I uh I can almost live on on seafood and almost live on the crab meat if had to
[speaker002:] oh boy have you ever been to uh what is it Original Book Binders in Philadelphia
[speaker001:] I know the name but I haven't been there
[speaker002:] uh that's an old established uh restaurant I used to go there when I was in college
[speaker001:] uh-huh where did you go to college
[speaker002:] I went to the Naval Academy and we used to we used to go up there on uh for football games sometimes
[speaker001:] oh the Naval Academy uh-huh
[speaker002:] and have some liberty and yeah we'd go over there to uh pretty sure it was original Original Book Binders I think it was yes
[speaker001:] I'll be darn
[speaker002:] I haven't been back there in years
[speaker001:] well we're we're supposed to be talking about dining out but I'll just make one comment that uh I just retired from Penn State and uh all my work has been in research for the Navy
[speaker002:] okay what area
[speaker001:] underwater acoustics
[speaker002:] is that right did you have any dealings with the uh underwater sound reference laboratory in Orlando Florida
[speaker001:] I have dealt with nearly all of the all of the research laboratories that the country has
[speaker002:] yes sir my dad worked there for years and years that's where that's uh that's where I grew up was down in Orlando so
[speaker001:] um-hum oh you grew up in Orlando uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's uh that's interesting well I was in submarines uh
[speaker001:] well that's what I worked on
[speaker002:] okay yeah must have had some interesting uh assignments for you there when when did you retire
[speaker001:] uh end of last month
[speaker002:] well great I'm sure you've seen some interesting developments in acoustics
[speaker001:] I certainly have
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so what I hate to uh I wish I could talk to you about that uh but uh I guess we should continue on uh
[speaker002:] okay right first
[speaker001:] okay how do you like Chinese food
[speaker002:] oh we we do enjoy that yes sir uh I don't know if we're particularly adventurous we find something we like uh like cashew shrimp or something that's got a good uh at a particular restaurant and then we usually stick by it but do you what about you
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I uh enjoy the Szechuan type of uh Chinese food
[speaker002:] hot um-hum
[speaker001:] yes yep um it's it's I I do a lot of Chinese cooking myself I have in the past I haven't done it recently but uh it's in the sweet and sour porks and things like are just really delicious meals
[speaker002:] um where did you learn how to do Chinese cooking
[speaker001:] um just at home
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I I enjoyed the food and I bought a lot of uh good cookbooks and I've been following through on that when you find the right cookbook why it works out
[speaker002:] uh-huh what's a good reference cookbook for Chinese food
[speaker001:] okay well that one's a good question here it's right under my nose if I can find it oh boy
[speaker002:] I guess one of the things we've uh started avoiding is the uh run of the mill chop suey and things like that but we enjoy trying uh different kinds of chicken or uh seafood you know even uh shrimp uh
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] dishes that are fixed in a Chinese restaurant
[speaker001:] one of the the this book I have is called Chinese Cooking Made Easy um it's a paperback and I think it's by someone named Chang yeah Isabelle Chang
[speaker002:] okay thanks for that uh reference
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I think'll enjoy that
[speaker002:] okay good yeah
[speaker001:] well it certainly is nice talking with you Gene and uh what is your phone number at home |
[speaker001:] so do you your privacy being invaded at any time
[speaker002:] well one of the things that uh that I found to be uh an invasion is when I pay for something with a credit card and they ask me to put my telephone number on the on the uh credit card bill that is something that is not required and in fact uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it is actually prohibited but it doesn't stop many people from uh from doing it and it's one of the things that it's used for primarily is for demographic uh research and to get the your your phone number on uh uh lists for phone solicitations
[speaker001:] yep yep there's a lot that you you can still yeah I have always done that I started once I found out that that's really not necessary or legal then I just refuse and I say what are you gonna do you gonna say you don't wanna sell me this product then that's fine I'll just buy it somewhere else or not buy it at all
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then ultimately they say no you don't have to put it down but uh really it's part of this compliance thing
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh the thing I don't like I know that certain states actually sell their uh their lists like uh motor vehicles
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that really burns me because hey you're required you have to do that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and nowhere does it say you have asks you whether you have permission or not to sell your name or information regarding that to anyone
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I think that's it it's one thing voluntarily give it because someone asks you can always refuse but it's another thing where it's required by law and then they go ahead and take that information and sell it to somebody
[speaker002:] right uh that
[speaker001:] you know I don't think I don't think they have the right to do that
[speaker002:] I agree with you there that's something that uh people have seen oh here's an easy way to make some money but uh I don't know if that's been challenged in the courts or not I've I've heard fairly recently uh some talk about that in this in in my state ah the budget problems up here are are pretty tense and people are looking for alternate ways of uh you know enhancing revenue is the uh phrase they use and they were talking about selling the DMV lists and there was a lot of uh a lot of uh consternation about that and the last I heard they'd backed down from that idea but it really makes you wonder what other lists you're on that have been made uh public that you don't know about
[speaker001:] well that's easy whenever you donate money to someone
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] they you become put on something like a sucker list and you start getting millions of calls or
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] solicitations and then you start it kind of makes you feel deeded from doing it again like uh National Public Radio or
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] any of these the public uh stations you know I I I I think I sent in in money for
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] once to uh to public uh TV
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I started getting calls from all sorts of diseases and syndromes and everything you could imagine I it's like
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] and it just started soon after I had done that once and I just said this is this is terrible
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um and that's also happened to me where as I've given money to my old Alma Mater in college
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh it's one thing they don't sell the list but the thing that makes me mad is uh then they start getting uh other people to the people do these phonathons and they call you up
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and they actually happen to be people who are graduated in your class or something like that and they say oh we we know you you uh had uh contributed X amount last year can you do better this year and you know like hold on here who how do you know that why why you even telling me this
[speaker002:] how do you know that
[speaker001:] is it any of your business I mean it's one thing that I and the colleges knows that that's just our business there's no need for someone who's soliciting should know it all
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] just uh and that was very offensive too
[speaker002:] last year the uh Lotus Development Company the uh company that puts out One Two Three was planning on marketing a uh cd-rom
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] with peoples names sorted by number of different criteria |
[speaker002:] so interesting political trends or events huh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] well I guess the uh most interesting one that's uh going on right now from my perspective is this uh phenomena of um uh Ross Perot uh caught his interview last night with David Frost and it was the the first time I had you know heard um you know his views expressed by himself I had heard other people talk about what they thought he believed in
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but the whole phenomena of him coming out of uh literally no where no party um at least no apparent party support on either side is pretty interesting
[speaker001:] huh yeah I have not even heard believe it or not of that person I'm not kidding when you when you said it it was kind of like a surprise
[speaker002:] um-hum like out of nowhere yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I think mainly because I haven't been watching what's politically going on um in that at you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] in that aspect uh as far as like now the new health bill that went through Minnesota uh being that it is their neighboring state and that I lived in Minnesota and more familiar with the politics that involved with that and that being passed
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but um as far as politics in the grander uh part of it as if you want to look at uh election type things I'm not quite sure even if I'm going to vote uh
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] it it gets harder and harder each time an election comes up like that to make the decision on who would be the best to run um
[speaker002:] um-hum well it seems that the decisions so far has been filtered by uh you know party politics so much that when the candidates finally get party approval party support and therefore get presented to the public
[speaker001:] um-hum sure exactly
[speaker002:] the the candidates are already beyond what uh most public uh feels is acceptable behavior
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know the one of the common criticisms of Clinton is uh gee he'll say or do anything in order to get to the White House and and up unto the point of uh Perot being a serious candidate it seems like that
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] that was a requirement of being a a contender within the party is is to have done all those things
[speaker001:] um-hum sure
[speaker002:] I mean here's a here's a guy who for twenty years has been working toward you know getting the party nomination and and preparing himself for the presidency and now it seems like both he and the incumbent President are you know pretty seriously threatened by somebody who comes out of a whole nonpolitical arena
[speaker001:] he might be a a one of those sure uh it it's kind of when you think back of the old politics where a dirt farmer uh when you think of some of the best presidents we've had in the past have been people that have struggled to get to the top I mean they were not rich in in any means
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and it has been kind of in the past uh I don't know maybe fifty years that in order for a person to get involved involved with politics they've had to have money
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and you had to have the views of the people that were going to be paying your way um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so it makes the common person uh not to say that a common person couldn't run for government and do a a fabulous job because he's got people that are quite intelligent and I don't know if we'll ever see that you know where a common person could ever get in there that has good moral standings and uh has um you know you think of Abraham linking Lincoln and you know just the the background of Abraham Lincoln you know teaching himself to read he didn't go to college he didn't
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know do all the other things that um you know you would think that was real popular to do and to get politically politically involved and and have money he didn't come from money um
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah and and yet even he was a a consummate politician in the sense that uh not only did he fail uh fail in business twice with bankruptcy and and failure but he lost some eighteen elections before he finally won one
[speaker001:] and now it it um-hum sure um-hum
[speaker002:] and the first election first and only election he won was um the presidency he he had lost every other office that he had you know he was appointed a couple of times to like uh uh state legislator
[speaker001:] so you really know a lot of his background
[speaker002:] yeah then when then when he finally did when an election uh it was the presidency yeah
[speaker001:] it was the big one it's the one that everybody wants yeah whether or not uh you know you look at all these candidates that want to become President I really have to ask them why you know um
[speaker002:] yeah but yeah
[speaker001:] it's the toughest job in the world to do and not only that you don't have that much freedom to make choices I mean you have to go through so many different you got to go through the House the Congress and all of the a other things to get a bill passed
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and sure you can veto veto it at the last minute but then it's not like you have all that power and I think along time ago Presidents did have a lot of power and I think we're
[speaker002:] um-hum |
[speaker001:] why don't you go ahead and say what you feel and then I'll respond
[speaker002:] all right well I'm uh I'm very guilty of of not doing my part with recycling I'm afraid we um recently moved here from North Carolina and they had curbside recycling and it was very easy put everything out there but we don't have it in at least in our neighborhood right now
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh so I've been very guilty about not making the effort to to take things where they belong
[speaker001:] well how long have you been here
[speaker002:] well we've been here since January so we we still feel very new but I it's working up to a year now so I guess we're old-timers compared to some people
[speaker001:] well yeah yeah I think that's a good excuse you need to get into the the system a little more and know where to take things
[speaker002:] uh yeah
[speaker001:] we've been here probably two and a half years and and we didn't recycle at all before we came so I think we're doing well we we've saved most of our aluminum cans and glass and newspaper right now
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh where do you take those things
[speaker001:] well the um glass and the newspaper we usually take to Wal-Mart they have um in behind Wal-Mart they have bins
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and then we usually save up our cans and and change them in for money
[speaker002:] where do you do that because we've been saving cans for my daughter's choir um but I didn't know where to take them
[speaker001:] um-hum um there's a place on Parker Road um it's just over the overpass before you get like to KMart I think there's a a service station there there's usually a semi truck that has a a person there that will weigh them and
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] now they aren't worth much right now but it's better than nothing so and
[speaker002:] yeah better than nothing right
[speaker001:] what I hear a lot of neighborhoods do have the the pickup now and we hopefully we'll be getting them in the month of October
[speaker002:] yeah I it seems like ever since we've moved here we've been hearing that you know it's coming in a couple of months but
[speaker001:] yeah and I think it's been delayed I think it was originally scheduled for February but the trucks that were supposed to do it there's been some problems with
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] from what I've read in you know the mail that we get and I can't wait for that that will be easy I get tired of newspaper littering the garage
[speaker002:] right yeah yeah it gets to be a bit much before haul it off but
[speaker001:] I feel guilty we don't recycle our our milk containers because they seem like a big waste
[speaker002:] well they do yeah they they're a lot of bulk anyway and yeah
[speaker001:] yeah yeah they fill up the whole kitchen garbage pail so I'll be glad when the bins do come and I think that's when I'll I'll start doing the plastic too
[speaker002:] right yeah it was real easy with the bins it really was and it was it was just no effort at all um no more trouble than taking out the garbage so um I
[speaker001:] yeah I've gotten used to washing the you know the um salad dressing bottles and things like that it's not that big of a deal I mean it's nicer to just throw them out but we can do our part take an extra minute or two
[speaker002:] right yeah yeah well how much do you earn on the cans I I didn't know how what kind of an idea to give her for
[speaker001:] oh when we first were were here it was like we'd take maybe a oh a grocery sack full or maybe two grocery sacks full and it'd be like two dollars
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] but since last time we've gotten more like a dollar
[speaker002:] so it's gone down yeah
[speaker001:] yeah which is understandable I think more people are are recycling but that's something that we we don't really make any effort to
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] and whatever pop we drink we used to take the boys out for a bike ride and pick up the litter you know the the cans and that was kind of fun but we haven't done that for a long time
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] well that sounds like a pretty good project well
[speaker001:] well the boys think it's fun plus you get your exercise and you you do get to stop once in a while when there is a can to rest so but
[speaker002:] oh well I'll I'll have to kick myself and and get get on it my neighbor across the street um is so careful about recycling and so I
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] keep telling myself I'll I'll get it organized but maybe maybe they'll beat me and and do the city wide first and
[speaker001:] well hopefully the bins will be here in this month and that will spur you on so all right well it sounds like we're doing our part and at least starting so
[speaker002:] right right I don't have any excuse then that's for sure thinking about it anyway yeah but well um have you do they time this thing for us or do we
[speaker001:] yeah trying that's all you can do so that um yeah you can do it as long as you want they you know if it's been long enough five minutes is is when they cut in and say say we don't have anymore room for recording so so we can say good-bye now it was good talking to you and maybe we'll get on line again thanks Sherry bye-bye
[speaker002:] you can't you can't chat all day huh okay okay bye-bye |
[speaker001:] okay uh have you did you have you grown up in Dallas Stephanie
[speaker002:] uh no I've only been here for the last ten years uh
[speaker001:] oh where are you from
[speaker002:] I grew up most of my childhood in Germany
[speaker001:] in Germany
[speaker002:] uh and we we took a lot of vacations while we were there because everything was within driving distance
[speaker001:] well now there's a place I'd like to visit
[speaker002:] so we we traveled all over Europe
[speaker001:] oh that's neat
[speaker002:] when I was when I was very young unfortunately a a little bit too young to really appreciate
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh I was grade school age uh
[speaker001:] my husband my husband had a bicycle tour of Europe or took a bicycle tour about five months right after the second world war and so we've seen lots of pictures of the of the beautiful spots and areas yeah
[speaker002:] uh uh that that would be a to me a really nice vacation because I'm I'm not in physical shape for something like that but uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I I sure would work on it if I had an opportunity like that
[speaker001:] yeah that's neat neat what kind of vacations do you like
[speaker002:] uh well my husband and I are scuba divers
[speaker001:] oh huh
[speaker002:] so we both like to go to dive resorts uh we went to Hawaii on our honeymoon
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we dove there uh but we we did about six dives while we were there and uh we were originally planning on going to Cayman
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh last year
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh but we weren't able to get enough people together for the trip we had to have like eleven people for this package uh deal
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] uh and we couldn't get enough people together uh to go so it ended up falling uh falling through we were going to get a really good price
[speaker001:] yeah when when our children were younger we enjoyed we lived up in uh New York
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] or or New Jersey and and used to like uh traveling into upstate New York and camping
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and we had a little collapsible sailboat and liked to sail and that sort of thing but we've never really uh did any diving or anything little bit of sailing of uh uh oh
[speaker002:] snorkeling
[speaker001:] water skiing
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] but not much of uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] of anything else uh
[speaker002:] well my husband and I both like water so any any vacation that we go on is usually involves close to the ocean or or something like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh it's got to be the water when when we were in Jersey we used to go down to the Jersey beach a lot and really enjoyed that a lot it's really they had
[speaker002:] yeah we
[speaker001:] a really nice beach areas there
[speaker002:] after we moved away from Germany we moved to New Hampshire
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I lived there for seven years
[speaker001:] oh I see
[speaker002:] uh and I really enjoyed that because you know the mountains were real close we like the we like the white mountains and
[speaker001:] that's a really pretty area too uh-huh no
[speaker002:] uh unfortunately I didn't really get to go skiing much while I was there I went skiing once
[speaker001:] yeah we loved the we loved the the New Jersey area too because the the lakes were really pretty close you know you could
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you could drive within twenty minutes to an hour and just be at a real nice vacation spot where you could sail and and just really and then we weren't too for from the Appalachian Trail we did quite a bit of hiking which is kind of fun
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] are you a you a hiker or not not so much huh
[speaker002:] not not really so much if if if there was some place that that we went to where there was hiking involved I I would be you know happy to go hiking but we we never have really planned a vacation around uh places to go hiking
[speaker001:] uh-huh so your your next your plans are try to find someplace to scuba scuba dive
[speaker002:] yeah our next vacation will will be scuba diving I'm sure
[speaker001:] you have any children
[speaker002:] no not yet
[speaker001:] okay then that's probably one of the reasons our we had little children all the time so some of the things are not as quite as uh adaptable yeah it is
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it's a it's a little more difficult planning a vacation when you have have children
[speaker001:] you have to try to figure out kinds of things that you can do that they will enjoy too and so I think what
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and diving is something that especially for small children uh I think the the minimum age for diving is
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] is probably legal anyway would be probably about sixteen
[speaker001:] eleven or twelve I would think probably but maybe fifteen even I know that uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh one of one thing that happens to us to vacation trips now is that usually that try to involve some of the members of the family you know we go wherever somebody is that we haven't seen for a while so that that's kind of uh we just
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] came back from uh uh Grand Rapids where we saw one of our sons graduate
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] from uh with his Master's degree in social work and so that was fun and and the summer we have a we have a a reunion in in Salt Lake area up by Park Cities
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] where we're going to camp for a week with as many members of of a rather large reunion group that uh as we can get together so
[speaker002:] that that sounds like a lot of fun our family had a reunion last year that was kind of like that too
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] that there were several hundred uh people and they all kind of met at a central place I I didn't go
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] uh but it would have been nice it would have been a nice vacation
[speaker001:] we we've traveled we've moved around enough so that we now have people in different parts of the country I guess my favorite vacation idea would be to somehow figure out something kind of mobile where you could stop and sleep maybe you know like a
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] a small camper we've we've traveled in a big one I hate them because they're hard to jockey around you know but maybe a pickup with the back on
[speaker002:] something or something like uh what's the like the Volkswagen Vanagon I've heard is really nice
[speaker001:] yeah so you could kind of sleep in it sometimes but you wouldn't want to do it all the time
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh we have enough friends here and there I would just love to just drive through the United States and stop and see people I know and visit for a day and then go on and you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh my dad has been talking for years about uh getting a fifth wheel
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and just picking up he's retired uh he's in his sixties and he uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] would like to just get a fifth wheel and just travel across the country and spend a month here or a couple of weeks there and just
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know not be settled anywhere just see see the rest of the country
[speaker001:] yeah I think it is I think that would real and I would like to maybe not take great long trips but but have your home base where your home is
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and then just travel out for like maybe oh a month maybe go
[speaker002:] he he does that quite a bit he he hasn't lately though uh because he's been ill
[speaker001:] and yeah
[speaker002:] uh but he's been known to be gone for a month or two at a time and you know he'll say this is my itinerary I'm going here here and here and I'll be back in about two months
[speaker001:] yeah there are a lot of neat neat places to visit in America that's for sure we've I haven't been much to the south I haven't been in in Georgia or Florida or Mississippi or Alabama I guess that's those are the only states I have not visited but uh up the coast uh at uh uh in Maryland and around there where the where the early history is there's some Johnstown and uh in some in that area is just really neat interesting things to so you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh have you been a to a lot of the different historical sites
[speaker001:] yeah we took a trip uh around to the uh Civil War battle grounds and things back in nineteen sixty when it was the centennial or something I believe it was uh had about three kids then I think but that was a really fun interesting trip I
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] we we read Bruce book before we went you know and so we were ready to look up the places we read about it was really interesting
[speaker002:] yeah I I think right right now while my husband and I don't have any kids we'll probably take as many vacations as we can doing things like scuba diving and and adventurous types of things and then when we eventually when we have kids
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker002:] now his his folks did a lot of traveling across country you know they went to the Grand Canyon and did things like that
[speaker001:] yeah well now camping is fun with kids if you're you know once they get a little bigger not teeny tiny ones but even even some little ones do pretty good but but when they get a little bigger so they can help that that's a fun way to to uh cut costs and it's enjoyable too very restful
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah I I do enjoy camping
[speaker001:] I mean I find yeah I find the outdoors very relaxing and you know kind of a change
[speaker002:] as long as I have a shower nearby I'm fine and electricity
[speaker001:] yeah well I'm with you I need my creature comforts too well it was great to talk to you
[speaker002:] yeah it was nice talking to you too Beth
[speaker001:] okay see you later bye-bye
[speaker002:] okay bye-bye |
[speaker001:] we've my husband's retired and we vacationed a lot and I think I've had a lot in the meantime I'm not sure I would have picked that one either shall we have a go at it
[speaker002:] uh-huh sure okay trial by jury
[speaker001:] um I think one of the facets of living in a small town is that often times you are uh sitting in on a jury trial where you might be acquainted with at least maybe not that person but part of their family
[speaker002:] uh-huh so that might lead you to a biased uh decision perhaps if you were uh-huh
[speaker001:] I would think so
[speaker002:] on the other hand um I don't know if course the judge as all the expertise in that field and he's trained for that and and I'm sure there are certain rules that are set down that he goes by uh along the way to make a decision but perhaps the jury can um give their uh input as to what they think need to be done and then maybe he can go from there uh have you ever sat on a jury trial
[speaker001:] yes I have
[speaker002:] yeah I have too and I found it real interesting but
[speaker001:] I did to yes
[speaker002:] but we weren't given any opportunity to make a decision as to what would happen we just said whether or not we thought the party was guilty
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and he took it from there
[speaker001:] uh the last trial I sat on at the end of the session the prosecuting attorney called us into a private room and more or less instructed us to find her not guilty because even though they knew and they proved that she had set fire to her car in order to collect the insurance money that would we find her guilty she would simply flee the state and avoid any prosecution of any kind whatsoever which we did find her guilty against his instruction and she did flee the state
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but but she was guilty and we just didn't understand why he was doing that
[speaker002:] uh-huh that would merely make for some odd behavior on the on their part
[speaker001:] my husband sat in on a jury trial a murder trial that lasted for two weeks
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] that left him uh I mean in the very beginning he was convinced that the person was not guilty and at the end of their deliberations he finally voted uh guilty uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] which surprised me that that uh through the jury discussion they were able to convince him against his original opinion so maybe that speaks well for juries
[speaker002:] yeah I I remember the one that I sat in on we had quite a problem coming to a conclusion and and we came back with so many people this way and so many that way and the judge told us we couldn't leave until we came to a decision and we just could not we were split and he kept us there one evening until seven uh and everyone wanted to go home and so they were willing some of them were willing to change their uh decision just to get out of uh out of the jury room
[speaker001:] that doesn't seem fair does it
[speaker002:] no and I I couldn't believe they would do that so maybe in a way it should be left up to the judge because uh maybe the jury isn't uh going to give them an honest decision
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know I I don't know I guess if if we had more power we're just people off the street so to speak and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] we don't have the the uh background to maybe make that decision
[speaker001:] the only thing that frightens me about that is the Graylord cases in uh Chicago where so many judges were guilty of so much misjustice from the bench
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] that after all they're only people too in that they're subject to corruption just like any other human being and they do have a lot of power
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh it seems uh sometimes it seems uh rather I guess rather uh odd that one person would have that deciding factor he would be the sole factor uh determining a person's outcome I guess though but the jury still has their input and maybe he goes uh has a lot to decide has to decide a lot from what the jury has input to the case too
[speaker001:] maybe we both agree then that we need to keep juries and
[speaker002:] I think so
[speaker001:] I think so
[speaker002:] we could go on
[speaker001:] I think we've reached a decision nice visiting with you bye
[speaker002:] I think we have thank you bye-bye |
[speaker001:] okay Mary
[speaker002:] yes um the uh the latest one I've seen uh had to do with a uh uh the uh basically a manhunt um and it was uh it was called Manhunter actually uh the uh the guy uh apparently had a a mental dysfunction in which he needed to go out and just slay people uh just uh kill them with uh with as much blood and and guts as possible
[speaker001:] oh how awful
[speaker002:] it was true it was truly awful it was not one that I picked but uh uh it it it did show some some uh some interesting things about the FBI because they were the the uh the characters trying trying to get him were FBI people and uh uh of the of the few good things that were in it it did show uh a lot about the FBI about the training and and how they go through training and how they try to to develop uh uh a mental picture of who they're looking for before they go out and do it and all the different ways they go about doing that and it was uh uh it was was pretty telling about the the the FBI and and their procedures
[speaker001:] I wonder how truthful all of that was or whether that was fictional
[speaker002:] yeah I I I imagine a lot of it had to be fictional just to keep the FBI uh going I guess
[speaker001:] yeah well they keep it rather secretive yes
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] uh the most recent movie I saw uh I'm afraid was uh well two two of them actually uh the Rain Man was one
[speaker002:] oh that was a great one
[speaker001:] wasn't that fabulous and and Driving Miss Daisy
[speaker002:] oh I loved it you know I haven't seen that one yet and I need to go see it
[speaker001:] oh you need to see that that is the most heart rendering story of relationships between two people
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] two diametrically opposed people from the stand point that one was Jewish and one was Black and this all took place in the South and uh normally never the twain shall meet
[speaker002:] oh my um you bet especially in the South
[speaker001:] yes right and um uh it it it really was a fantastic movie the acting was phenomenal
[speaker002:] but as it it as I recall it got some Academy Awards didn't it
[speaker001:] oh yes Jessica Tandy won best actress and uh say
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's right it it might have one best picture too
[speaker001:] yes it did yes it did just as Rain Man uh with Dustin Hoffman
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum that was
[speaker001:] uh that that was tremendous and Tom Cruise
[speaker002:] yeah I I think it was more a lesson for Tom Cruise than anything else in terms of uh of how to act from Dustin Hoffman but uh
[speaker001:] yes uh oh that was that was uh what the much of the hype was that Tom Cruise learned so much from Dustin Hoffman
[speaker002:] yeah it must have been great just being with him on on a daily basis and seeing how he prepares for his for his lines and all that stuff and
[speaker001:] yeah and a good bit of that was filmed right there in Cincinnati which is just forty five miles from from where I am where I actually live in a suburb of Dayton
[speaker002:] oh is is the Kmart there that was
[speaker001:] oh well we do have a Kmart here you better believe it isn't there a Kmart everywhere
[speaker002:] that was so funny had to or was it Kmart uh he had to buy his underwear at Kmart
[speaker001:] yes right right yeah
[speaker002:] that was hilarious the the I guess the the first the first uh scene in that movie that really got my attention uh concerning the the that disease and all that was when he uh dropped the the uh the toothpicks
[speaker001:] yeah oh yes
[speaker002:] and he was able to count the number of toothpicks just by a mental image unbelievable
[speaker001:] yes yes well you know there are people uh referred to as savants also uh who can do most phenomenal things and everyone feels they are totally retarded
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah well because that's the way they they might seem outwardly but boy there's a lots going on in there
[speaker001:] that's right it's amazing
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and I the the I think the the best thing about Rain Man was the uh the way that they put together the the real awfulness of the of the of the disease
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and only and and and then they balanced it with the wonderfulness of it you know and and and you need to to to work with it uh you know certainly on on a daily basis but then again then again work with it toward a good end
[speaker001:] yes and the
[speaker002:] not not toward you know winning in Las Vegas for example
[speaker001:] right well the warmth that developed between them and again it I think was a picture of relationships
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] again the relationship uh between the two uh that uh never would have occurred uh by accident
[speaker002:] yeah right right I was uh I was so impressed with that movie I saw it three times I can I can say tell you oh oh so much about that movie just because it it
[speaker001:] did you
[speaker002:] it really rang uh rang a lot of my uh my personal background I I have a a brother myself that's that's older and uh he's not you know nothing nothing of course serious is wrong with him but uh but we have gone through these these lapses of of a relationship somewhat sometimes
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and then you know uh for for for no real you know uh uh direct reason I guess uh we we get into uh uh a really good relationship for a while and then you know back and forth so I I was really able to to relate to the the relationship aspect of the movie between the brothers that was neat
[speaker001:] uh-huh well that's tremendous that it's good because it does make you think about your own family
[speaker002:] yeah a lot
[speaker001:] and see it did bring out a lot of thoughts between you and your brother
[speaker002:] um-hum no question he the he was he's one of these guys though that doesn't really like to go see movies like that he likes the bang them up shoot them up things
[speaker001:] um-hum uh
[speaker002:] and uh it it was like pulling teeth to go get him to to see it but uh oh boy he was uh uh he he gave the the the best response that I've heard him give of this type of movie for Rain Man I mean he he certainly didn't he only saw it one time and he didn't go back for more but uh but he he said he enjoyed it and and
[speaker001:] well he at least saw it one time
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah and and he really I don't know he he he's kind of a Dustin Hoffman fan anyway but he was but before he saw the movie he said he was like disappointed that Dustin Hoffman would do this I'm like oh come on
[speaker001:] well just think of what a phenomenal actor Dustin Hoffman is be able to do that to research it and be able to mimic a person uh uh with the kinds of problems that he had
[speaker002:] yeah it and to make it believable I mean I was I I was believing it I don't know about anybody else but I was it was great
[speaker001:] yes well I'm sure everybody that saw it was believing it right along with them
[speaker002:] he did great
[speaker001:] well it's just uh been delightful talking with you
[speaker002:] yeah yeah you take care up there and uh let's hear it for the summertime
[speaker001:] absolutely I'm ready for it they're predicting some more snow for our direction
[speaker002:] no oh no oh well take care
[speaker001:] take care now bye bye
[speaker002:] bye bye |
[speaker001:] are they doing a lot of recycling out in Georgia
[speaker002:] well um at my uh workplace they are we have uh places for aluminum cans and we have uh everybody's been issued a separate trash can for uh recyclable recyclable paper let's let's see them get that word straight uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] as far as the community goes uh it's pretty much voluntary nothing's been done um I don't where I live I live in an unincorporated area and we don't have any uh we have just private uh garbage services and uh uh as far as I'm concerned I I guess I should do it but being lazy I don't if if somebody made it easy for me to separate my trash and pick it up I would more than gladly participate uh
[speaker001:] yeah I it it is it is to some degree inconvenient I'd have to say that
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] uh around here they've given us mine already got run over um it it looks sort of like a milk crate a little blue milk milk crate and I have two kids and it's not big enough it's it's kind of it's kind of silly and what you do is you put out paper like paper bags and newspaper and cardboard and that you put separately and you also put out in this little ridiculous container any cans or bottles you have you know like your Campbell soup cans and your milk cartons and that kind of stuff
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] and then the rest you can just you throw out and the town picks it up I've heard of communities where you have to separate your garbage and then put what's left in a clear plastic ga bag so they can kind of look and see if you're throwing out what you shouldn't I thought that was pretty amusing
[speaker002:] have the garbage police looking after you I guess
[speaker001:] I imagine I don't know
[speaker002:] uh well I used to live in California and um just before I left they were um some communities were making that uh mandatory and uh um fortunately I was in a I was in an apartment complex and for some reason we just threw everything in the dumpster that was all right
[speaker001:] well you know it's funny we just got back from a trip to California visiting some friends uh near San Francisco and San Jose and we'd see these signs on the road that said garbage pickup two exits down or something the apartment for the apartment dwellers they didn't make it easy to recycle at all what they did was um you would bring it to this garbage place that they designated and the Lions Club or you know some community organization would do you the favor of picking it up from there you really had to go out of your way to recycle
[speaker002:] yeah you know and most people probably don't wanna carry a couple of bags worth of garbage in their car a few miles uh I mean it's all it's a good idea we should all do it uh but um if it were from a practical viewpoint from a selfish viewpoint if communities made it easy and convenient for you to do it they would have a lot more participation in my opinion
[speaker001:] well around here I it's not too bad because on Tuesdays you put out your paper and your cans and and plastic things and they go away so that I mean that's not too tough to put that at the end of your driveway
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] uh my friends in California have this special garbage fill where they collect all their soda cans and they kind of leave it near the dumpster knowing that the neighborhood kids will grab them because they can sell them or something for recycling
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh gee you haven't
[speaker001:] so they just leave it out for the vultures to take
[speaker002:] gee kids around here I don't think would pay well wouldn't pay any attention to it they'd the dogs would get to it before they would I would imagine
[speaker001:] oh well the soda cans where I live are good for a nickel a piece
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] so if you bring them to the local supermarket they have these can crushers and you know you throw all the cans in one at a time it takes time a lot of time and uh you push a button and you get a nickel for every can because someone you had to pay a deposit on it when you bought it
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and you find these old old men and these bag people collecting all these things and hauling them in in big garbage bags and they just like take up one of these machines to to get you know couple of money uh bucks for beer or something
[speaker002:] is that a city or state law that uh requires it to be recycled or
[speaker001:] yeah it's a state well New York state does it and I know Vermont a lot of the eastern states do it
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so you get a lot of old people one old fellow had crates of beer he made friends with a bartender a bartender at some bar and he gets all the beer bottles because the guy can't be bothered with it and he said he bought himself I said that's pretty heavy for you isn't it and he says well I just bought myself an old station wagon to cart you know this is a real business for him he's making big bucks
[speaker002:] gee well I I guess if you can buy in bulk it so to speak
[speaker001:] well I guess at a nickel a shot if these people are retired and they've got nothing better to do I mean they can come away with ten fifteen dollars at a haul I guess
[speaker002:] well I bet that's resulted in uh it it would seem to me that's resulted in some cleaner highways I would imagine
[speaker001:] well you you do find people picking through the garbage pails at the beach you know my own kids have been guilty of that till they found that the bees were attracted to the Coke cans and that was the end of that
[speaker002:] surprise surprise
[speaker001:] I think it's a fair you know for an eight year old to get three dollars it's like wow
[speaker002:] gee well that's uh well that you know a state law like that would probably encourage people down here uh to do it uh I mean I I don't know |
[speaker001:] hi this my name's Bridgette
[speaker002:] Bridgette this is Maureen
[speaker001:] hi nice to meet you um do you know what we're supposed to talk about
[speaker002:] yeah if there's something wrong with the school system
[speaker001:] yeah so are you ready then okay
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] I press one don't I okay I've never done this before so okay
[speaker002:] right oh you there okay
[speaker001:] uh-huh okay so what do you think is wrong with the school system
[speaker002:] well you know I was listening to uh Sixty Minutes I think the other night they had Andy Rooney on there and one of the comments he was making is that um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know part of the problem is uh parents and um their lack I guess of uh interest in the kids in school and he said do you know basically until we change that uh we're not gonna have the kids uh get any smarter because um you know they're not encouraging their kids to do well in school so
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] otherwise we're not gonna ever achieve a good education system unless we really get the parents involved
[speaker001:] yeah I agree with that but that's coming from because I'm in college right now and seeing how the school systems are my mom's a teacher that's very hard to do in some areas you know it's like they sent
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] and I know where my mom teaches you know and she teaches in like a lower class part of Plano and where it is is they just send their kids to school and you know they don't care if they do their homework if they don't do their homework whatever
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] so she says it's very hard from that aspect I mean she'll call the parents and they you know they're like well you know that's not my responsibility it's yours
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] and I know she gets real frustrated being a teacher that she feels like you know that the parents aren't willing to do that which is very scary I think
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] another another thing I think though is uh I know now because I'm getting ready to graduate and friends of mine that are getting teaching degrees are um people that aren't getting a master's are having an easier time uh getting a job because they can get paid less
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and it seems like they're just compromising good qualified educated teachers just for someone they can pay less and they get they don't get paid much now and I think that's really bad
[speaker002:] yeah it's kind of a shame that um we don't put emphasis and money where we really should I mean we've never really paid teachers real well
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] we've never paid um other public servants like the police and such very well it is kind of a shame um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] there are some times I think that uh you know the quality of teachers may be improved upon I think what they did a few years ago was kind of a joke about testing the teachers and all
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh I think it was
[speaker002:] um I think that I think that they're made some changes you know into um the the kind of courses that should be involved in education curriculum and um trying to improve improve upon them uh somewhat but um they've never really paid you know real well and and you know people have to pick a an occupation that's gonna support themselves it can't be all sacrifice and no you know salary you got to live on something
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] I think it's hard though because even like the like in high school and stuff you take the standardized tests and stuff and I know people that you know are like dyslexic I mean I know people in college that are like dyslexic
[speaker002:] um-hum um
[speaker001:] that I wonder how they pass through all their school you know all their years of school
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and pass through all the tests that they had to pass through and so forth to get to college because they have the hardest time you know things like that always make me wonder too I mean they make all these tests but are they really proving anything
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah true and you know some people are much better test takers than others um
[speaker001:] yeah that's definitely true
[speaker002:] some people you know um just really clam up when it comes to a test and they're so nervous about well is there a is this a trick question and instead of being real straight forward and just trying to answer it they
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um give themselves you know worse grade because they were so anxious about it
[speaker001:] see yeah
[speaker002:] and then other people you know aren't that upset about it and they test very well so there has to be different ways of of testing sometimes you know because um that isn't always a real good reflection of if the person's learned it or not
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I agree I think there's just so many problems now with just kids you know younger these days and all the problems they have and all the problems like in general in the world like with gangs and stuff just being brought into the school is making it worse I think that's not even helping at all
[speaker002:] yeah you know uh I I wouldn't wanna be back in school now I think it uh it's a real challenge and you know um I think maybe the kids need more um I don't know counseling or or psychologists you know psychologist or just you know talking about how to get along in life if they're not getting that so much from home
[speaker001:] yeah |
[speaker001:] do you see as uh the changes that have occurred in the last ten then Beverly
[speaker002:] I think one of the thing that I notice a lot I know it's touching social changes but uh to me what becomes socially acceptable and I I don't know if it's a factor of me growing older and seeing things through different eyes or if it's a factor of our society actually moving in that direction but I notice things on TV being more um open more I I believe that they portray things on TV obviously that they never would've years ago and you know and specifically nudity things like that um I I don't know I I've said several times to my husband that I feel like jeez in ten years they'll have just full nudity on TV and nobody'll think anything of it and to me that's surprising to me that's that's a big change to accept it and it comes across I think subtly you know little at a time to where you get so used to seeing a little change that you know when they go uh one step further you don't notice it that much so that's one of the biggest ones I've seen
[speaker001:] huh yeah that's a big one
[speaker002:] what about you
[speaker001:] well I think that society has come to a point where they're they're not responsible for any of their actions somebody else uh made them do it uh that's what I seem to see a lot of that uh no one is willing to take responsibility for their life and their choices it's rather sue these guys because they made a faulty uh a seat belt that didn't work right or
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] well that's what I think is a big one but
[speaker002:] I tend to agree with you and I think there's a lot of that um ah yeah we have become lawsuit happy any little thing it's like let's see what I can get don't you think that maybe a lot of that came from um oh you know the the the era we went through that was like you know hey if it makes you happy do it you know kind of like disregard to others do what makes you happy and and yes we should take care of ourselves you know and we should see to our own lives but not to a total disregard of others um I don't know I think it's come to that a lot I see it a lot in my daughter I have a four year old and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] hers isn't a social thing as much as it's a stage they go through but whenever something happens it's you made me hit that you made me do this and so I try to tell her Brianna everything isn't always somebody else's fault you know you have to watch where you're going and and so it's what you just said kind of hits home to me just through her
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] yeah and another thing I think has changed quite a bit is uh the roles that men and women play that's really in the last thirty years has changed significantly
[speaker002:] I think you're right um in your opinion good or bad or both
[speaker001:] well both you know there's some great things that uh have come about with more equality but I think that also I don't know what's causing society to have so many broken families and things like that because I think that's bad for us
[speaker002:] I do too I think part of that I I don't know I think the role of women changing has been good in that women are feeling like in in terms of their self confident confidence their self-worth you know I can do something I can be somebody you know if I put my mind to it I can accomplish things too and I think that's good but um I think when you push you know maybe I think when that was first trying come about with you know what we know as the women's lib movement I think it was too extreme um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I think you can be feminine and still be all those other things too you know and I think there's definite roles and I think you know part of the break up of the family maybe it's because of the the the social changes I don't know the fact that ah during their early changes where you know women did come more speak maybe maybe speak out I was gonna say come more out of themselves but speak out I think a lot of men were threatened by that I think now less men are you know because they're used to it it's around them um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but I I don't know I I I don't know why the families are breaking up I think that may go back to what you said a minute ago about people not being responsible for themselves or their actions because it's like they don't go into the marriage with a commitment that this is gonna work they go in and say well hey you know I'll stick with it while it's good and then I'll get out and I I I think that directly affects the effort that you put into that marriage or that commitment
[speaker001:] yeah I would agree with you ah so |
[speaker001:] yeah what do you think about our level of funding to Middle East Trust
[speaker002:] well I I think we could use a lot of it at home but definitely a hot spot is the poor last year proved
[speaker001:] a lot of yeah I was I was thinking while I was waiting to be connected with uh uh another party you know I got real ambivalent uh kind of mixed feelings about it I mean I agree with you I think you know jeez there's an awful lot of money that we go over there to people that seem to be uh shall we say less than appreciative
[speaker002:] I agree
[speaker001:] and at and and at the same time it uh you know I think it's important for us that you know there is some sort of stability in that region but I don't know then again you uh historically there has such a history of uh you know just being constantly in turmoil that I don't know if we can throw enough dollars at them to you know keep any kind of a lasting peace over there so I don't it's it's I I guess bottom line if I had to uh to call the shot I would like to see the the money spent a little more uh judiciously
[speaker002:] uh I I agree I like the I like the the peace process spend more money on things like that and especially with um I don't know the Palestinians and the Israelis fighting so much over who is going to go to this peace conference I'd tie some of the money to those peace conferences if they don't want to go to the peace conference then I guess they don't want the two billion dollars for the next batch of F fifteens or whatever
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] but which we'll never do but I I think it is about time especially with the Israelis that we
[speaker001:] yep yep right
[speaker002:] because many times in the past they've you know they're happy to take our money and stuff but they often times fail to give us any support in return
[speaker001:] yeah well that was exactly who I I was thinking about whenever I made the comment of uh you know money going to people that seem less than appreciative I mean they're they're ready to take it and we set you know have have set uh a precedence over the history with them of always having an open pocket book uh and uh you know they've just have grown to expect it and uh I don't mind uh helping people that I mean I don't expect somebody to grovel but at the same time don't uh you know take the money and and then uh slap me in the face
[speaker002:] right well uh they they seem to do a lot of that stuff the problem I have in the past at least it was you know they were very strategically strategically important to us but I think that's diminished a lot lately too
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] especially with the relationship we've started to develop with Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War and all and I don't know maybe we could use that to our advantage
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] at least if we are going to be giving them all this money then at least you know we should get some at least some cooperation or whatever in return
[speaker001:] yeah the one good thing about the Gulf War I I mean there was several good things about it but it was one of the few things that we've ever done as a as a country that I think practically paid for itself
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and certainly there are countries over there that have the where with all to uh uh foot their fair share of the bill
[speaker002:] well that's for sure
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and we built some good friends over there now with uh time when we can use them you know little rut
[speaker001:] yeah and and we built we we built some good friends and then we've also built some arch enemies so it's you know it's one tit for tat sort of
[speaker002:] right well most of the large enemies were large enemies to begin with though there's not too many people that went from being our friends to being our enemies but just
[speaker001:] that's true that's right that's right I I
[speaker002:] quite a few that have been from our enemies to at least tolerating us or whatever
[speaker001:] well yeah especially when if you look back at wasn't very you know that many years ago I mean back in the early seventies whenever the the Saudi's embargoed uh oil to the US we've certainly come a long way since then
[speaker002:] right that's right uh and I don't know Iran Iran now wants them to reestablish more normal relationships with us I don't know if that is in our best interests either but it's good that I don't know it it seems slightly more stable now but how long that lasts you know it can history has shown that can just be a lull before the storm
[speaker001:] yeah right right well it's you know like I say just as uh as uh a region I don't know of any uh other part of the world that uh is is so prone to change quickly and and I don't know this seems like you know they're these uh deep seeded hostilities and animosities from that are just uh handed down generation to generation
[speaker002:] right well they have the all the religious battles they have the nationalist battle they just seem to have a lot of different cultures and religions nationalisms all packed into that one small geographical area they all believe that they have rights to these lands you know there's two three four groups that all believe that this portion of land rightfully is their's
[speaker001:] you're right
[speaker002:] hopefully you know optimistically maybe maybe something you know I don't think it's all going to be rosy after this latest round of peace talks but hopefully it can be a start at least in the right direction
[speaker001:] yeah well I do like your idea of tying uh |
[speaker001:] We're set.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] What changes do you feel have happened?
[speaker002:] Oh, I guess the first thing has been the, uh, for the right, for women to vote. I think that has been a major change and also the fact that, uh, there are so mu-, many more women in the work force nowadays than there were and that's probably going to increase.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] You know.
[speaker001:] Increases each year, doesn't it?
[speaker002:] I'm sorry?
[speaker001:] It increases each year I think.
[speaker002:] It sure does. Yeah, there is a lot more women in the work place nowadays.
[speaker001:] Well, and I think women have kind of had, uh, in the past the real subservient
[speaker002:] Role?
[speaker001:] role.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And, uh,
[speaker002:] That's changing [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, we do to some degree
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] but, uh, uh, I think it's not as much as it was.
[speaker002:] Right, yeah, I, I agree. It definitely
[speaker001:] I,
[speaker002:] has changed.
[speaker001:] And especially, I think with women increasingly working, they're going to have to demand more [LAUGHTER] from men.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Because there is just, i-, impossible to keep up on everything else.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] Have more of an active role in taking care of children, more of an active role in taking care of the home.
[speaker002:] Well, you know, they've been talking about and I don't know, uh, what the status is on it, but, you know, women get maternity leave and stuff like that and I know that they've, there has been discussion about men also getting maternity leave
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] to help out, but you know, I haven't really heard much about that recently.
[speaker001:] Well, you know, there is a lot of companies that won't give mat-, women maternity leave for that very reason.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, in fact, I know the school districts down here, you, they don't have maternity leave. Uh
[speaker002:] Oh, is that right?
[speaker001:] you simply have to take, accumulate your sick leave.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] And take your sick leave.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I don't know, uh, if bigger company companies do, but when I was employed with the school district, I didn't have maternity leave either and that was the reason because they thought was showing prejisim to women and not to men but,
[speaker002:] Huh, that's interesting.
[speaker001:] So, uh,
[speaker002:] That's a bummer, though [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER], it is.
[speaker002:] I mean,
[speaker001:] You have to save all of your, uh, vacation time.
[speaker002:] You got to take the time off [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] You do. You have to save all your vacation time and
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that's usually how it's, uh, happened, but, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] What do you see, uh, changing in the future?
[speaker002:] [Breathing] I think that we're probably going to see a lot more companies, uh, run by females.
[speaker001:] Right, and, and
[speaker002:] And we'll prob-,
[speaker001:] top level.
[speaker002:] I'm sorry?
[speaker001:] Maybe top level.
[speaker002:] Right, right, upper management, more women in upper management and probably, uh, we'll see more females in political roles. More governors and, I think, you know, roles like that.
[speaker001:] That would be kind of nice [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, we've got, in Texas, we have a female governor.
[speaker001:] That's right, that's right.
[speaker002:] And we had a female mayor here in Dallas, and she just, her term just ended and, uh, so I think we're probably going to see more of that
[speaker001:] Yeah
[speaker002:] in the future [faint].
[speaker001:] I think that's probably good. A little more integration.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, maybe not so much that we sit on the back burners and,
[speaker002:] Right, you know, I mean, and that's fine with me
[speaker001:] I think,
[speaker002:] but sometimes, I mean I'm not a women's libber by any means, but
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I do, there are issues that, you know, as far as, like, equal pay for men and women and that kind of stuff, I totally am for.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But, I don't get into the, uh, the real [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] No, I don't either.
[speaker002:] women libber movement, you know.
[speaker001:] I don't think they're ever going to prove that men and women are equal [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We just function differently [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I'm not capable of lifting what, uh, a man can lift and
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, that type of, that type of thing, but, uh
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] one of the big changes, uh, they're doing in Salt Lake is, uh, and they're probably, I'm sure, in Dallas since you're big places, a lot more women are, uh, working right out of their home with their P C's or with their lap computers or whatever.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I've heard of that. Uh, I haven't really talked to anybody that's, you know, too involved with that. But, I mean, I think that is a,
[speaker001:] I think that,
[speaker002:] Like the cottage industry. Is, is that what you're talking about, women working out of their homes?
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh, I think it's wonderful [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right. You only have to check in with the office once or twice a week and,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Course, they're talking about, uh, that we're going to be able to do our grocery shopping and [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Oh, I kn-,
[speaker001:] banking and
[speaker002:] By the phone and all that.
[speaker001:] everything like that, so, uh, it would be kind of exciting in some ways to, to see a little bit more of that and some ways, it might be kind of [LAUGHTER] scary.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Think anybody could do it, but,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Anyway,
[speaker002:] Yeah, I wouldn't mind just calling up the grocery store and giving them my order and
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] going an hour later and picking it up [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right, but then you know, there is the process of selection. Would you have to give them [breathing]
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] the brand and, uh, *slash error
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] You know, when you shop, you usually compare the prices and, would be nice, though. |
[speaker002:] well do you watch much TV
[speaker001:] well I watch in the evening with my kids
[speaker002:] your kids how many kids do you have
[speaker001:] I have four children
[speaker002:] oh goodness I have got two that's about all I want
[speaker001:] well yeah it keeps you busy doesn't it
[speaker002:] yeah they do they're still babies
[speaker001:] uh my children like to watch Sesame Street I watch with them every once in a while but that is not my favorite programs
[speaker002:] oh well we have only get two channels we do not have cable but I am not crazy about TV much it just
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] well it kind of is an idiot box now Sesame Street is a good program because uh I do have that on videotape and I will let him watch that every once in a while and he has learned to count to twenty from that so
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah it can be very educational there are shows that that I like uh I like good family shows uh though uh I let my kids watch things like Little House On The Prairie
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh okay
[speaker001:] and the Cosby Show is uh is uh kind of unrealistic as a family unless you live in upper class and have money
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I think that sometimes the things they show on there though uh the problems that their kids get into are are good to uh show that they do have problems anyway
[speaker002:] right but they also have a lot easier time disciplining their kids than real people do
[speaker001:] uh yeah I mean like I said real life is not that easy
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh I watch a show that I like it for entertainment uh it is called the Quantum Leap
[speaker002:] oh I love Quantum Leap
[speaker001:] I watch that show every time and uh
[speaker002:] yes that is a good show
[speaker001:] I I like uh how the how he has to help with the people that he that he becomes
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um because it is not a show that he just becomes these people and then he lives there for a while and then he is gone he has to do something positive to help them
[speaker002:] uh-huh right he always got to change history is what it is
[speaker001:] so I yeah yeah
[speaker002:] usually yeah that it is so good I was glad when they put that back on this channel because like I said we only get two channels because we do not get cable
[speaker001:] it me too me too uh-huh
[speaker002:] and still my little boy he watches videotapes he won't hum this is terrible I do not like him sitting in front of the TV all day
[speaker001:] no that's not terrible I do not think that's terrible at all
[speaker002:] well it but it is a not really a good baby sitter
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] it's really not he needs to get outside and play and he's four years old and he just does not like to go out there by his self and I'll let him watch the TV when I am wanting to get my house work done
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but other than that I do not like him glued to the TV all the time
[speaker001:] well I do not think it's it's healthy all the time either
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] uh and my kids like to to go play with their friends and so I guess I do not mind too much when they do watch a little bit now I there are shows I do not have cable either and there are shows that I really put my foot down on if there starts to be a lot of violence I do not go for that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I will not let them watch that if there is a lot of language or
[speaker002:] well we made the mistake right we made the mistake of getting Robocop and that is one of the worst oh I do not let him watch it anymore because just the pieces l
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] like especially where they kill somebody it is just not good I mean it is just real violent I mean
[speaker001:] well it you know today I watched and it is like they show bloody you know things and they show it in slow motion and
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and everything like that and before in a western or something in the in the olden days
[speaker002:] you would see somebody get shot they would just fall down
[speaker001:] yeah and they were gone and and it wasn't uh not like today uh
[speaker002:] yeah so graphic today it's it's really graphic they try to make it too realistic
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah too much realism I think sometimes
[speaker002:] and yeah
[speaker001:] I don't
[speaker002:] now he is watching Honey I Shrunk The Kids right now
[speaker001:] oh that is a fun show oh I really like that one
[speaker002:] it is cute and that little Roger Rabbit on before that that is cute and they have got the He Man uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh the cartoon or the
[speaker002:] Masters Of The Universe the movie
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] that is a real cute show
[speaker001:] that has good moral values too
[speaker002:] He Man
[speaker001:] uh-huh well uh I think uh
[speaker002:] yeah good versus evil huh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] oh well it sounds like we have the same tapes for our kids anyway
[speaker001:] yeah at least we have the same ideas
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah language too and language and violence and sexual you you know things I I get kind of uh saying I am sorry kids this is and I I think it is important that I see
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] what they're watching
[speaker002:] yeah they do have like those parental control things on the uh remote controls you know where you can block out what channels you do not want them to watch
[speaker001:] if you mean in cable oh I do not know because I do not have that but
[speaker002:] uh-huh well my my uh stepfather and them have my stepfather my father-in-law and them have that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh they do not have any kids but they was told how to use that but still when the kids get older they learn how to break through that parental control
[speaker001:] oh do they
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] they're too smart
[speaker002:] I think all you have to do is push a couple buttons
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it's it's I'm hoping that he will grow up not really caring much for those movies because now we have got a lot of western tapes Josey Wells now he loves to watch Josey Wells
[speaker001:] uh-huh I think that is a good show too yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah Clint Eastwood and like The Man From Showy River we've oh my husband likes westerns and he also likes Star Trek now Star Trek are good movies good shows
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the uh series we have got a lot of those
[speaker001:] uh I think not even the old one but the new one too I like both of those
[speaker002:] uh-huh The Next Generation yeah my little boy is crazy about Captain Kirk and my little girl has Mister Spock's ears
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah oh
[speaker002:] and I told my husband he cursed my kids they were both born with pointy ears
[speaker001:] yeah oh well
[speaker002:] not real pointy my little boy grew out of it
[speaker001:] oh that is not a problem anyway but it is fun to you know seeing the show anyway uh now I like uh everything Michael oh no not Michael Douglas um
[speaker002:] no uh-huh
[speaker001:] oh I can't think of his name
[speaker002:] Kirk Douglas
[speaker001:] no the the man right now who is having uh who has done uh Bonanza and then he did Little House On The Prairie Michael Landon there you go Michael Landon I have always liked and thought he did good shows
[speaker002:] oh Michael Landon oh now there yeah like Highway to Heaven
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] here are some cookies Kyle yeah I liked Highway To Heaven and I and I thought that was kind of neat though but I loved Little House On The Prairie especially when Melissa Gilbert grew up she was kind of like my
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] idol when I was growing up because I am twenty seven so it is you know she is about the same age as I am I wanted to be just like her because she is so cute
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I and I liked that show because it it portrayed I thought really well uh pioneer kind of days
[speaker002:] yeah and well I liked it but there that is about the only uh
[speaker001:] you know but
[speaker002:] show I have seen where every time they sit down at the table they pray before they eat and I thought that was real neat
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] because there is not a lot of shows that do that
[speaker001:] I
[speaker002:] and uh they have this little cartoon that's on Sunday mornings
[speaker001:] now what is that
[speaker002:] with Jot I remember him in school but I do not it is just this little dot with arms and feet and little eyes and his parents are there they have it like before one of the church things uh you know church that comes on
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it is a just this little dot and he will go out and get himself into trouble and come home and the parents will tell him that there is a verse in the Bible that will help him with that and it is just
[speaker001:] oh I have not seen that
[speaker002:] well it's usually we go to church on Sundays but we will miss every once in a while and I will let Kyle watch that and he just well I even like Jot I mean I it is funny
[speaker001:] uh-huh what channel is it on
[speaker002:] it is on channel well let us see you're in Plano
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh it's twelve or ten down here
[speaker001:] well I will look and and see yeah we go to church on Sunday about one o'clock is when our meetings start and uh
[speaker002:] oh well this is of the mornings uh around nine or ten I think it is before one of the I think it is before the First Baptist in Sherman airs I think that is the one that
[speaker001:] it is in the morning okay
[speaker002:] it uh comes on before but it's real cute well he's bouncing around and his name is Jot and then he has got a friend named Cat
[speaker001:] well we'll look
[speaker002:] and I think the dog is the only one that's not a a dot but it is real cute and like I say they they teach him stuff from the Bible and I think it is just a real cute show I'm trying to get my little boy into reading uh like church books and things we have got like Noah's Ark and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh Lord is My Shepherd we have got about eight or twelve books for him just little Bible stories and they're he is he is getting to where he likes them
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] we got him a little Jesus doll uh about a year ago and he has always kept that he likes it
[speaker001:] well I really like now we get channel fifty five although we do not have cable we do get channel fifty five and that is a uh like a
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] a song they sing songs on there but they're uh worship through music kind of things but they are up to date uh and some of them are like uh videos like music videos that go along with the songs about church and Jesus and and I
[speaker002:] uh-huh so it's a uh Christian songs
[speaker001:] yeah the Christian it's called the Christian music station or something like that
[speaker002:] oh that sounds fun that's sound good well
[speaker001:] and uh I really like that uh I turn that on on Sunday mornings and I do not you know and so my kids don't uh I have an
[speaker002:] yeah |
[speaker001:] The AIDS issue is, is a bit of a problem. I guess the first thing that comes to my mind not having any immediate friends with that problem, is, is the financial end. And how can a country stand to, uh, spend as much or much more than they already are on such a problem, uh, but, then that kind of thinking is also tempered with the, the knowledge, or at least the, the rumor, I'm not really sure if it's true or not, that, uh, we're not spending as much per, let's say, afflicted person on cancer. Uh, there's some, uh, take breast cancer, for instance. It seems to be doing much more damage and affecting much more pe-, many more people than AIDS. And yet, uh, more people die of it, and yet the funding has already, uh, exceeded, AIDS has more money than, uh, breast cancer [breathing] [whistling].
[speaker002:] Than, well, that's interesting, isn't it, yeah.
[speaker001:] So, uh, I mean, if it's true. I, I've, I've always heard these things. I've never bothered to dig it out and make sure, but, uh, I've heard it on more than one documentary that, uh, they were complaining that whoever's sitting up there making these decisions or whatever institutions raise the money and, uh, it's just one big P R campaign that, yeah, we think that's the world's worst thing so let's give money to AIDS. And yet we've had breast cancer problems for years.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And, it's just one of those, uh, course, one of the shows I saw was taking it from the angle that, since it doesn't effect men, it's not going to get funded. And, uh, having thought about that for a while,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] What did you think about that idea?
[speaker001:] [Breathing] Well, I, I kind of, I thought, well, that, that might be possible since there are a lot of men in control of that kind of thing. But then I got, I got to thinking, the, the number one killer of men seems to be the prostate and there's only one test that just recently got developed, uh, a blood in-, antigen, uh, antibody test for the antigen in the blood and that's fairly recent. And yet men have been dying from prostate cancer for years.
[speaker002:] They've not really given it attention either, yeah.
[speaker001:] So it's not really cured, yeah, it's not, uh, not that heavily funded either and then that seems to be one of the, the major, uh, problems that men have in the realm of cancer, so, I don't know. I, I guess there's just some strange public opinion as to who they want to give to. Uh, be it through different organizations, March of Dimes type, uh, telethons or, or bicycle rides or whatever, how they fund whatever, uh, illness they wish.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] It's kind of hard to, to get an even keel on that. I mean, it's really hard to say, well, there's, you know, a hundred thousand per year affected by this one so let's give it this amount, and then this other one's only a tenth of that, so give it a tenth of that and, and just keep [breathing] doling it out that way or,
[speaker002:] Well, I'm, I'm glad I'm not the one that's, that's in charge of, of making those decisions. They, uh, you wish that there could just be money for all these problems because they're all so serious, you know. I mean it's not so serious, I guess, until it affects your family and then all of a sudden it's the most important thing.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack] So I, I would hate to have that [breathing] responsibility just personally but, but then, again, we really, we really do have it as a society to decide which things we need to address [breathing]. I, uh, I guess I, it, it frightens me to think [breathing] of so many people with, with AIDS and with cancer and many of those things, uh, if they're not able to, to be insured then the country's going to pay for it one way or the other.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Whether it's through prevention or, or [breathing] treatment or, you know, [pause] just, uh, just helping the people when they are not able to take care of themselves. It seems like one way or the other we're going to end up paying for it.
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker002:] But [very faint],
[speaker001:] You know the, the other thought that I had, uh, I've had several minutes to think about this after I, uh, while I was finding people, I, uh, I could think about the topic longer that the person that receives it, so it's kind of a, a [typo: that for than] unfair advantage,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] as it were, but, the other thing that I thought of on this is, I wonder if there isn't enough money, uh, in our economy or in our system. Uh, it seems like there's so much that goes to things that don't really do a whole lot of good. I mean, yeah, they're kind of nice. But, we have such an affluent a-, society, society that I wonder if, if we took a little from here and there and the other if we might wind up with a, a cure for just about everything.
[speaker002:] Just change our p-,
[speaker001:] Of course, then we wouldn't have any room to put people, but that's [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Right, just change our priorities
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] a little bit.
[speaker001:] You know, you hear these ridiculous figures for pizza or you hear these, these phenomenal amounts of dollars spent for this, that or the other and then you have all the arts that, that are nice and aesthetic, but
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] are they that enhancing for the, for the masses, you know. They certainly do well for those who go to the [breathing] symphony orchestra and all that, but, uh, had all that donation and time and labor and effort gone toward something else, |
[speaker001:] well Carol since today's subject is our homes why don't you tell me about yours
[speaker002:] okay I live in Plano in a four bedroom two bath house which is the area's dominantly three bedroom two bath so I'm just a little bit different than typical uh and of course the Plano area is basically with alleyways so everything around here is set up that way which I think is little a little bit different than most areas in the houses the way they're constructed and it's a brick house with uh some wood it's real nice I like it how about you
[speaker001:] well I I certainly hope so we have a a classic ranch up in Denton Ranch style home I should I would hate to think that anybody thought I the lot we live on is a ranch uh it's in a subdivision and one story it started out life as a three bedroom house and now has no two car garage and has uh the two extra rooms enclosed I suppose we still only have three effective bedrooms but we gained a playroom for the kids and an office out of enclosing the garage
[speaker002:] are most of the houses in your area three bedroom two bath
[speaker001:] almost a hundred percent I I can't think of any four bedroom houses in the subdivision ours is probably the closest to it you know how realtors are they'll say oh this could be five bedrooms yeah if you had two people that don't have any clothes it could be a five bedroom house don't need a closet
[speaker002:] yeah me too the only thing about mine um I think there's probably about oh when I go down the street I can just pick out houses that are that are identical to mine and usually they are the four bedroom um but they're spaced out oh I'd say maybe three or two block period because it's all different builders up here so it's kind of hard at that point to you know classify some of the builders but most of the builders all built three two but the one thing my house is a little bit different and I can pick it out again because it's not typical is I've got the oh what do you call it a uh double ceiling double high in one half of the house so like the den and the living room are all double cathedral ceilings
[speaker001:] uh cathedral ceilings
[speaker002:] and uh the kitchen is norm and the bedrooms are norm so it just goes down the dining room the family room and the living room that way and I love the space it just it's uh luckily I came from a house in Colorado which had the cathedral ceilings and I just lucked out and walked into this one and of course I felt the same airy feeling which I liked it real well so it's a nice thing to move into but again it's not typical in this area you can just spot them because the ceiling the roof is so high much higher but uh
[speaker001:] well I hadn't thought about it in that sense of the high roofs we have cathedral ceilings in uh two rooms and the uh family room and in the master bedroom those are are pleasant
[speaker002:] yeah well it's like when my son goes up into the up into the furnace area over the garage he can walk and he's six foot and he says oh come on up mom I'm not going up there I'm not going up there but he says there's plenty of room up there for a room
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so that means if I knock out the wall in my family room I could make another room overlooking my family room from upstairs with no problem but um I'm not that ambitious I told maybe someday when I feel really ambitious and then get angry I'll start poking holes up there but until that time but uh I've noticed the houses around here are basically it's one story and they're all basically two uh bath two uh with three bedrooms and we're ninety I would say about oh about ninety five percent no I guess maybe probably a hundred percent of them all are mostly brick uh with some wood
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it's basically all brick the next subdivision over from me is total brick and the one on the other side of me is about the same as mine but uh the one on opposite the street now they're total brick and they're basically almost all three two they're all three two but of course they have a little river going down their area too which is kind of nice
[speaker001:] if it's the kind of river I'm thinking of better them than than us you know are you talking about a real river creek
[speaker002:] no it's a creek they've put little fountains in and such
[speaker001:] well that's nice uh I came from Mississippi recently and the rivers that we had there were the ones that came with the rains and they didn't pay any any attention to banks and
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] that kind of stuff so you're just as likely to wake up and discover you're in two inches of water
[speaker002:] do you have a lot of property I mean a lot of yard around your house now in Denton
[speaker001:] uh it's a third of an acre I don't think that's a lot uh in fact I have been real disappointed in the six years that I've lived out here about lot sizes I'm more accustomed to a one acre lot being a standard and the two acre being what most people have
[speaker002:] yeah when you get down closer in to the newer track homes you find almost like there's no lot line at all they're built practically on top of each other
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] I know I was
[speaker001:] and an and while while there are some advantages to that there's less time spent outside making it look nice and taking care of things uh I just feel hemmed in by that it's not as comfortable a living for me
[speaker002:] um-hum well this subdivision here has got oh there's enough to put oh I'd say uh what twelve feet between each house on each side well I've got more on one side than I've got on the other but I'm like you I came down from Colorado and there was more land up there around the yard with a big full back yard which here I look out my back yard and I can see the gate I mean the fence is right there I mean just don't run too fast or you'll hit it and I'm not used to that either I mean I could see people putting swimming pools in the back yard all around me but to me you put the swimming pool in your back yard and you've lost your back yard
[speaker001:] entirely
[speaker002:] I mean uh sure I mean you've got a little place on one side or the other but but to me their not that big enough for a pool but you know they're going up so but it's uh it's great for mowing
[speaker001:] from from that aspect you're right and and it doesn't take nearly as long to get out there and weed it by hand and that kind of stuff
[speaker002:] but yes I'm used to uh walking out the back yard and you can play catch across the back yard and you've got plenty of room to even play a small game of baseball but don't do it around here
[speaker001:] no the one that's sort of what drove me to Denton when I first came out here in eighty five I started looking and it seemed like the further I got away from Dallas center uh the more lot came with the house and and the lower the price at the same time and it just seemed like there was a ten thousand dollar drop for each city
[speaker002:] I hadn't thought about it that way
[speaker001:] so so moving up thirty five I stopped when I got to Denton
[speaker002:] it just well see now with our jobs mainly hitting downtown Dallas we couldn't go too much further but we we went that way it was the schools and the cost of houses so we kept going out until we figured we hit a point where we need the traffic time to get into work and that's where we stopped it was the thing same problem but I think Plano is so very different
[speaker001:] you all both you all both work downtown
[speaker002:] I got laid off by TI
[speaker001:] oh well this is a wonderful thing that you that you're doing here still helping them out uh but you were working downtown
[speaker002:] oh I no I was working at the Dallas site my ex-husband was working downtown
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] but I uh uh no TI as far as I'm concerned they've been great as far as layoffs is concerned so I have no problems problems but as far as the housing I would like personally I would like to move out of a four bedroom house and go with something smaller but prices in Plano there isn't um there isn't a section in Plano you can really move to without getting caught and uh if my price right now for what I pay |
[speaker002:] okay so what kind of car are you thinking about getting
[speaker001:] well none at the moment No no no
[speaker002:] well when you decide to
[speaker001:] I currently drive a a Ford Taurus and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I would imagine I would imagine that if I change or if I get another car a new car I will go with the Taurus or something similar uh in that regard
[speaker002:] so you like the Ford
[speaker001:] absolutely I have had it for about two years now and it's uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it's everything it's supposed to be uh I haven't had a minutes trouble with it and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] the only thing I have against it in that's it's a Taurus but is it I still feel a little even after two years I still feel uncomfortable driving it because I had a Honda before that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and so it's a little bit larger but that's the only the only difference that I see really
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but I would my my criteria would be at the moment it would be uh American uh personally
[speaker002:] uh-huh Yeah it's the this the car I had before this one was a Thunderbird as a matter of fact and uh I loved it I really did
[speaker001:] and um-hum
[speaker002:] But uh um I finally decided to go check out what the uh what the uh foreign cars were So I bought myself a a a Nissan a two forty S X
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] But even though I love the car I've got now I think my next car will probably be American again because if I can at all do it I'd like to stay American I always have up until now I just for one time decided to go outside So
[speaker001:] uh-huh well my wife drives a still has a a Honda Accord and it's a very it's an excellent automobile
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh but you know price and so forth I'm not a real car fan so I I I do not uh opt for uh something that would be you know expensive you know I want I want something that's serviceable serviceable something that I can use and uh and I and with the Taurus I have a Taurus uh you know LX and it's you know
[speaker002:] right uh-huh
[speaker001:] you're talking when you think about price it's several thousand dollars lower than the comparable Honda or Nissan or something along those lines
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and as I said as far I'm concerned it it has been extremely uh uh serviceable and everything I wanted
[speaker002:] well Ford's done a real good job in the last uh say ten years or at least the last five to ten six years so of really turning around their um quality I think um
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh I think so too now I you know in travel and renting automobiles uh in I've driven you know Chevrolet automobiles and so forth and Dodge and I
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] if it's Chevrolet I just will not touch it uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] I had a Chevrolet before I bought my Taurus I purchased a
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] a Chevy um Citation
[speaker002:] oh yeah those were not good cars
[speaker001:] and uh I was ready to get rid of it two months after I bought it and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I I shopped around and I would I probably if I had thought I uh wanted to pay the amount of money I probably would have gone with uh uh an Accord or even a a Civic or something comparable from Nissan or or Toyota
[speaker002:] uh-huh right
[speaker001:] and uh but it was just I had I have a friend who uh has a uh an auto shop and he purchased one of the first Sables that was uh manufactured for his wife a Sable station wagon and he just absolutely swore by it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it was upon his recommendation and so forth for you know comparable comparably equipped you know with cruise control and air conditioning and AM FM radio and all these other things uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it was just there was no there was no comparison uh the only thing that I find you know if I would have anything against it is that it still has that soft American ride uh uh not well that about the only thing I find you know disadvantageous to it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but my criteria is simply something that looks good something that's serviceable and I you know I drive around a lot but uh and it's you know it's very comfortable on the highway I can drive for you know ten hours or so and not really be tired in any way
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but those are my criteria and I I probably in another six months to a year or something will probably start looking around again and if there's something out there that uh is comparable to what I have now so I'll go ahead and get it
[speaker002:] uh-huh You know the only thing I'm looking at right now um I just I just bought you know the Nissan that I've got about uh say nine months ago I guess it was So the only thing that that would um get me to change cars right now would be if see at the moment I'm single and if I were to get married and have a family that would have to have something to do with it But uh I don't have any plans for probably another two three years of even looking you know
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh cars are too expensive right now to uh
[speaker001:] I see yeah
[speaker002:] to even think about buying new cars every couple of years you know it's
[speaker001:] in our parking lots uh two or three days ago I saw one of the new Honda sports cars
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I I can't remember what the name is it's the thirty five or forty thousand dollar one whatever it is and it looked it resembled a Mazaratti very very closely
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] and it's an absolutely beautiful automobile and well appointed and so forth but
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] to pay that much money for an automobile uh is just I can't I can't conceive of doing that
[speaker002:] yeah that's uh I went to a a car show down here about uh about two weeks ago and um you know of course they had the normal the Ford the the Chevrolet that stuff But then you started looking at the uh uh they had Ferrari there they had uh BMW and and all these other kind of cars and and Ferrari didn't even let you near the car I mean they were that's how expensive they were
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um and then you saw uh hundred thousand dollar cars you saw eighty thousand dollar cars and you know even even though I I I do enjoy cars I enjoy um driving them I enjoy uh riding in them and everything but uh I can't see buying or paying more for a car than I would for a house you know I
[speaker001:] that's true well
[speaker002:] that doesn't seem likely
[speaker001:] uh the difference there is too is uh is between us is that I am not really crazy about driving I never have been since you know my parents had to force me to get my driver's license when I was young when I was sixteen
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I've never really cared now what I was you know before I was married and before I went to graduate school I used to do little you know sports car racing I never it was never my own car it was always someone else's
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that sort of thing I enjoy but to go out and drive uh never has really been had any appeal to me in that regard so
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] well I guess we've discussed that enough don't you think we won't we don't we won't get the recorder or the uh system to shut us off uh tonight that's happened to me almost every time I've
[speaker002:] I think so that's happened to me once so uh
[speaker001:] well when it's it's very easy when you get a topic you get on a topic that you know you enjoy and
[speaker002:] yeah like uh you know I think the one time I did it was on Saudi the Mid the Mid East the crisis out there and everything that was had a great conversation but uh then they came off and told us we couldn't do it any more so
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah well I was talking to a lady last evening and we were talking about fishing and uh we were cut off uh-huh well we were told to quit okay well you have a pleasant evening
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah you too uh-huh bye-bye
[speaker001:] take care good-bye |
[speaker001:] Okay, should begin. *listen; could probably code if we could tell if it said "we" or "you"
[speaker002:] Okay. All right.
[speaker001:] Uh, I can begin this, um, basically I work for Honeywell in Minneapolis
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and the, the benefit program we have here is really quite good. I'm, I'm pretty pleased with it. They cover, uh, just about everything, vision, dental, medical
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, you name it, and for me this is the first job I've had where they've covered that much, so I'm pretty satisfied myself.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um, what's your situation?
[speaker002:] I work for the University of New Hampshire, and
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] uh, our benefits package isn't, uh, isn't quite as good in some ways. Uh, you know, overall I'm satisfied with it. We don't have the vision care, we do have the health care and the, uh, and the medi-, or the dental.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh.
[speaker001:] Are you a professor there?
[speaker002:] No, I work in, I'm a, on the professional administrative and technical staff, and I, effectively I run the telephone switch at, uh, at the University of New Hampshire.
[speaker001:] Oh, I see, okay.
[speaker002:] Uh, so the, uh, the benefits, uh, probably the main thing I like about the benefits is the, uh, the, uh, very generous vacation time and sick time.
[speaker001:] Oh, no doubt [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] We get fifteen days a year sick time, and, uh, we get twenty-four days a year, right from the day one when you start work, you get twenty-four days a year, uh, time off.
[speaker001:] Right. Well, that's good.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's one of the things I guess I would change about Honeywell, is, uh, I used to work with the Army Research Institute, and being a, uh, a government organization you got quite a few holidays off.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] But here you don't get that. You maybe get two or three a year.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So it's really, unless you, unless you have some vacation time or some, some sick leave or whatever, um, you kind of have to finagle your way around to get that time.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, that's, that's kind of a drawback I think. But, uh. I don't know. What do you consider most important, you think, in terms of, of the different benefits?
[speaker002:] Well, I think, uh, the, the health care, of course, is an important, and has to be the single most important benefit
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, the rates that we keep paying seem to keep increasing, uh
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, I'm, I'm a little disturbed about that, but I think that's a national trend, and I don't know that, uh, I don't know what the solution is to it. It's bigger than just the benefits part.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I don't know if you saw on TWENTY TWENTY the other night, they, uh, they basically reviewed Oregon's plan
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] or The Oregon Plan
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] toward, uh, nationalizing health care and that kind of thing. It's kind of an interesting plan. It's kind of cold though. They've essentially made up a list of, uh, oh, all the different, uh, medical maladies that you can have
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] and then basically made a cutoff, about six hundred and eighty-seven and below will not be covered by, by, uh, subsidized health care, and the ones above would.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] So it's kind of like drawing this line and, and if you have it great, if you don't, you're kind of out of luck
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, um, it was kind of an interesting show.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] I think you're right, I think health care is probably the, the most pressing
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] uh, the pressing one, but I'll tell you, I, I don't mind having dental, you know, sometimes dental costs can be, um, just about as expensive, if not more, and I know historically a lot of companies I think carried dental as a rider along with the medical
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but I'm not sure that's, that's widely followed any more. I'm not sure, how, how does, uh, University of New Hampshire handle it?
[speaker002:] Well, we have two different plans that we can subscribe to under dental, uh, depending, and, and the cost between them is very, is very little. I think it costs me something like five dollars a, a month for the dental plan.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] But it pays, uh, a substantial amount. I mean, the examinations and, and, uh, checkups every year, or every six months are free
[speaker001:] Great.
[speaker002:] and, uh, it, it covers the bulk of the dental expenses.
[speaker001:] Is that, uh, let me interrupt, is that the same for both, uh, professors and, and also staff and administration, is that generally across the board, do you think or,
[speaker002:] Uh, yes, it is. The benefits plan is different for operating, for what we call operating staff, which are considered to be, uh, clerical personnel, accountants, things like that
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] as opposed to what they call the P A T staff, which I belong to
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but the main, I think the, the health and all that and the dental is the same for everybody, and the retirement plan. But
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the main difference is in the, uh, the way sick time is accrued and vacation time is accrued.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] Uh, for the operating staff it's on a seniority, it's, you know, based on how long they've worked there.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] That determines how much, uh, vacation time they get.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I'm kind of interested because I'm actually, that's the route I'd like to take when I finally get my degree
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] is to, uh, is to teach in a university.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I'm a doctoral student in Florida right now
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, yeah, that's, that's interesting. That's one of the things I'd like to think about is in what kind of benefits they would, uh, they would cover and things like that.
[speaker002:] College programs belong to this T I A A, uh, C R E F retirement fund.
[speaker001:] Oh, is that right?
[speaker002:] Right, and in the case of the University of New Hampshire, uh, |
[speaker001:] What are you guys having for Christmas?
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing] What are we having? Let's see [LAUGHTER]. Well, I'm not planning the menu.
[speaker001:] Oh, you're not.
[speaker002:] No [LAUGHTER]. We usually go out to ei-, either one of our folks, they both live close to
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but, um, I don't know, it seems like a, a big thing for Christmas is usually ham.
[speaker001:] Well, funny you should mention that. I'm a pig farmer [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, you are
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] huh.
[speaker001:] Well, now, it's kind of a hobby more than anything else, but we're going to have, uh, wild boar
[speaker002:] My goodness.
[speaker001:] we, uh, we killed a boar the other day, it was, you know, mating with the sows, and you can't use the piglets, you know, so.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] It's about six months of no use, so, we, uh, we shot him and cleaned him out and had him, you know, processed into ham, and, uh, we're also going to have a little roast suckling pig, because I, I've got one that's got a, a hernia
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] and rather than, you know, pay the vet four hundred dollars for surgery, we'll just cook him and eat him [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Is that, is that hard?
[speaker001:] Well, no, hey, I tell you what, preparing a little pig is, is a snap,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I'm telling you, real easy, easier than chicken.
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] Yeah, you just, uh, you kill him, you know, you probably, most guys just shoot them in the head, they go, you know, in a second they're gone
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and then you just dip the carcass in, uh, boiling water, pull it out, {C and there's a, we use a little raspy brush, pulls the hair off, } and, uh, gut it, and, uh, just stick it down in a pit with some cloves and, uh, some pineapple, about three pineapples, you know, sliced them up, and, uh, cover him up with, uh, wet, uh, sacks, feed sacks is what I usually use *more than one utt??
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] and then start a charcoal fire on top of him.
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness.
[speaker001:] And after about six hours, you put the fire out and dig that baby out of there, and it's the best eating you ever had.
[speaker002:] Oh, well, does a boar taste just like regular ham?
[speaker001:] Yep, just like a pig
[speaker002:] Does it.
[speaker001:] I mean, you know, uh, it has a lot less fat.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] This wild boar weighed probably about three hundred and thirty pounds
[speaker002:] Oh my.
[speaker001:] and he dressed out to almost two hundred and ten pounds.
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness.
[speaker001:] Well, you know, we took the skin and the head and the le-, and the feet off, and that was about, you know, a hundred, hundred pounds of just ham.
[speaker002:] Oh, well, how many people are you planning on serving at Christmas?
[speaker001:] Oh, well, we're, you know, we're not going to eat the whole thing [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Eat it all, yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] It would take a year. But, uh, you know, we're going to drive up to Kansas City, see my wife's folks, and, uh, she, she, what's, what's what's your mother cooking for Christmas [talking], yeah, well her mom's doing brisket.
[speaker002:] I don't, what is brisket?
[speaker001:] Brisket? It's a part of the cow that they used to throw away.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] It's just tough as a boot
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, you know, they used to use it for leather, I think [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness.
[speaker001:] I mean, no, I was kidding.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, it's, it's a part of the loin, you know, the rib cage, and it has a lot of muscle in it and a lot of,
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] gristle where it attaches to the ribs, so it's really, really a tough piece of meat
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness.
[speaker001:] but it's so tasty, you can't stand it.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] So you just take it and you marinate it for a couple of days
[speaker002:] And that softens it up, huh.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] And then, uh, you just put it in the oven, takes about four hours to cook one. They weigh about anywhere from ten to twenty pounds.
[speaker002:] Oh, gee.
[speaker001:] And, uh, we're going to have that.
[speaker002:] Well, [throat clearing] what else do you serve with your pig?
[speaker001:] Oh, well, we'll have cranberries and hominy and, uh, we, we are, we're big on olives and cucumbers and stuff up here.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] We have oliv-, olives, black olives and cucumbers and, uh, tomatoes, we still have tomatoes
[speaker002:] Oh, do you?
[speaker001:] yeah, fresh tomatoes.
[speaker002:] Oh, we, we just got lots of snow [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, it started to freeze up around here, you know, there's nothing between you and us but our barb wire, and half of that's down. I mean it's thirty degrees this morning.
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] But, uh, it'll go up to fifty or sixty almost.
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness. I didn't know it got that low at night.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Well, it's desert, you know, where, where we are, it's, it's, it's, uh, the edge of the desert, I mean, it's part of the Great Plains. So in the day time in the summer it goes up to a hundred, hundred and ten
[speaker002:] Oh, gee.
[speaker001:] and at night it goes down to about sixty.
[speaker002:] My goodness.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we get a fifty de-, degree temperature swing in about four hours.
[speaker002:] Oh, boy.
[speaker001:] So everything that lives around here is real tough [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's trees, you know, we got hundred year old trees that are, you know, twenty feet tall.
[speaker002:] Oh, gee.
[speaker001:] That's all the bigger they get, they, you know, they're just hard as a rock. |
[speaker001:] okay what uh go ahead and tell me about your home
[speaker002:] well my my home at the moment is an apartment
[speaker001:] oh is that right
[speaker002:] yeah I work here in Germantown but I live in Pensacola Florida
[speaker001:] oh that's interesting
[speaker002:] so I own a home in Pensacola and uh let's see we are to compare homes correct
[speaker001:] okay yeah
[speaker002:] uh my home is well is typical for the area I live in a development uh it's a relatively I would say oh well God it sounds like sounds like I'm bragging
[speaker001:] no that's okay
[speaker002:] no it's upper middle class uh kind of an environment it's a
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] two story colonial which my wife and I designed
[speaker001:] oh that's neat
[speaker002:] uh it has around thirty two hundred square feet
[speaker001:] wow that's large
[speaker002:] uh five bedrooms and so forth and so on and it is I would imagine in terms of of size and so forth it's relatively typical for the area it might be I would say it's probably midsized for the area there are some smaller and there are several you know several larger
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh but in based you know in terms of you know in in Pensacola in that area of Florida it uh it's what now it is uh probably ten years old
[speaker001:] oh well that's not too bad that's still fairly new
[speaker002:] yeah and so it's in terms of cost and and and size and so forth it uh the house you know housing there is extremely affordable and uh compared to other parts of the country you know let's say compared to Maryland that same house here would probably cost three quarters of a million dollars but
[speaker001:] well oh you're kidding well do you mind if I ask what it's worth down there I mean what it's
[speaker002:] I really haven't I really haven't uh when we built it ten years ago it was it ran around a hundred and forty thousand dollars
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] so I I would have really I haven't really priced you know in the market so I
[speaker001:] huh it it sounds like I mean from the way you described it a home like that here would be at least two hundred and fifty thousand
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I mean Dallas is a very marked up area although right now it's a lot lower um because of all the layoffs and everything the economy around here is real poor
[speaker002:] um-hum I thought that was on the upswing again now
[speaker001:] well no not really
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um the area itself uh the Fort Worth Dallas area um has become become kind of depressed because there's been so many layoffs with big companies including Texas Instruments um there's been tremendous amounts of of uh layoffs
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] so really housing is real bad the economy itself around here is not too terribly bad but housing is still real bad
[speaker002:] um-hum well Pensacola has
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's really is a buyer's market there now and it isn't because of the well there is been a lot of speculative building
[speaker001:] yeah this is oh
[speaker002:] uh I don't know perhaps not in Dallas but uh I'm sure people in uh you know in uh Galveston and so forth would be knowledgeable about it uh Pensacola is a Navy town
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and home porting was a possibility a few years ago
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] they were expecting an influx of something on the order of fifty thousand people or more from the Navy a new carrier was coming in and uh
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] the uh attendant uh support vessels well that's no longer
[speaker001:] so do you think it was overdeveloped then
[speaker002:] the case oh it's it is I mean the the number of single family units on sale is phenomenal compared to the population
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] and so uh overbuilding is it it has been a real problem there
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] so you can still get a get a a good good house for a very very reasonable price and I mean good I would let's say typical say three bedroom uh two and a half baths on a half acre or so of land uh reasonable construction would probably run you uh right now anywhere between somewhere between a hundred and a hundred and forty thousand dollars
[speaker001:] um yeah that's
[speaker002:] and probably perhaps cheaper depending upon the neighborhood so
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] what about your home
[speaker001:] that's well right now we're just renting but it is a home um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it's a four bedroom home it has about I guess eighteen hundred square feet it's on one floor
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh we have no basement I don't know if Pensacopla okay I wasn't sure most of the ones you know know up north and everything do but um anyway
[speaker002:] no nor nor do we but um
[speaker001:] it's uh it's pretty also pretty typical for the area most of this area was developed uh this house was built in seventy four
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so most of the it's almost twenty years old and most of the houses around here were built pretty much the same style uh we have a friend that lives two blocks over and his house is almost identical to us except his is three bedrooms and ours is four
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but otherwise the layout is pretty much the same so I I think most of them are there was it like most areas that are built um there were probably like two or three styles you could choose from
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and and uh that's pretty much all the houses in the area uh for probably a square mile I'd say at least maybe even a little bit more than that
[speaker002:] w ell the housing here in Maryland is just atrocious and in in the entire DC area I'm I'm only about uh twelve miles or so from the uh border of Washington DC and Montgomery County Maryland is probably one of the most expensive
[speaker001:] where are you in relation to Sevren are you close to Sevren
[speaker002:] places to no we are west Sevren is East near the Eastern Shore if I had
[speaker001:] oh okay well I just my I have a sister that used to live in Sevren and they bought their home in I I want to say like around
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] nineteen seventy five or something like that and they paid like they they had it built from you know they they designed it and everything and to have it built they only paid forty thousand for it and when they left the area they sold it for a hundred and twenty thousand so I
[speaker002:] oh that's not unusual yeah
[speaker001:] yeah so I just wondered you know if the whole area was like that or
[speaker002:] well that's that area over there is not as expensive as in the the immediate you know Washington area
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and so we uh I was just looking for example there is a uh condominium complex next to the apartment complex where I live and I was over there recently looking at the possibility of buying a two bedroom condominium and ninety two thousand dollars for two bedroom which is essentially a two bedroom apartment
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] now it was very nicely done
[speaker001:] yeah sounds like a lot of money though
[speaker002:] yes I I can't I can't envision spending that much money uh and
[speaker001:] for
[speaker002:] on on something along those lines so you know it's you I guess you pay the piper but
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] plus the the the phenomenal taxes around here are phenomenally high uh
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] uh for the and so you on that it's not unusual for example for somewhere around here on a on an on a what we would you know what you described as your house and what I would describe as my house say for example in Pensacola Florida on that house with the homestead exemption and so forth and so on might pay three or four hundred dollars a year taxes maybe maybe you know maybe a little bit higher than that now
[speaker001:] wow yeah that's
[speaker002:] but that same house here you'd pay almost six thousand dollars a year taxes on it
[speaker001:] wow wow that's pretty
[speaker002:] so it's uh so the question of whether to buy here or move to another county say drive twenty more miles north buy a condominium for approximately uh the same price maybe a little lower but the taxes would be you know perhaps maybe one third uh of
[speaker001:] really that much of a difference uh wow
[speaker002:] oh absolutely you know so
[speaker001:] that's
[speaker002:] it's it's really sad
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] this is one this is one of the most highly taxed areas in the country
[speaker001:] wow why is that do you know I mean
[speaker002:] well they it uh the their they do have an extremely good such things as extremely good school systems for example it has one of the best school systems in the country
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh and because the cost of living around here is so high public employees make great salaries around here
[speaker001:] oh well
[speaker002:] I was reading just recently where the typical administrator in the Montgomery County Public Schools makes and and and I'm not this is uh the figure he makes eighty thousand dollars a year
[speaker001:] my goodness wow
[speaker002:] that's and I by administrator I I think I mean I they didn't they did not define it but for example a curriculum supervisor or principal or someone you know in that uh in that range |
[speaker001:] so how do you keep abreast of the world's happenings
[speaker002:] when I'm driving to work I listen to a radio station which is twenty four hour news and that's how I get most of my stuff that gives me about uh thirty minutes thirty five minutes each way each day so that's about an hour and hour and ten minutes worth of
[speaker001:] what station's that
[speaker002:] uh KRLD
[speaker001:] KRLD I listen to uh ninety point one which is KERA
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so uh that's the same way I do it I drive about thirty minutes to work twenty minutes actually so listen to that going and coming
[speaker002:] yeah uh I don't usually watch the news at night time because uh I'm you know just got home ready for dinner and and all that and by the time I get done with dinner it's already over and
[speaker001:] uh-huh what a deal
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] well do you feel like you're kept abreast
[speaker002:] pretty much yeah because they have the uh CBS uh world news on on the hour on the radio so I get all of that stuff then plus I get all the local news
[speaker001:] uh-huh well what do you think about the US telling the Iraqis to get out of their camp areas
[speaker002:] uh what do you think I don't know that's pretty strange
[speaker001:] it's a it's a different bold move I mean uh with still regardless if we won the war or not it's still uh the country is Iraq
[speaker002:] yeah you know I mean uh with with like with regard to the Soviet Union we're telling the uh Soviets you know hey the Baltic States wanna separate go ahead and let us separate that'll be good you know what what if the American south wanted to separate like they tried to do in eighteen sixties would we be so forgiving and say ah sure go ahead form your own country
[speaker001:] uh-huh exactly
[speaker002:] you know I mean seems kind of hypocritical hypocritical of us to to be telling other countries to like go ahead and let part of their country separate off you know and Gorbachev he's the one who wants to keep his country together which I can understand you know
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and the other countries that wanna separate they wanna get away from all that garbage the Soviet Union I don't blame them either
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah it's it's an interesting uh kind of a catch twenty two
[speaker002:] it's not something that's something that they got to work out for themselves we shouldn't be involved in that we shouldn't even be talking about it you know the government should just stay away from them people and just let them figure out for themselves what they need to do
[speaker001:] that that is uh that is a bit difficult
[speaker002:] yeah Bush should not do anything but as as as for the rest of but though I don't you know we get the paper on the weekend
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I'll I'll flip through that you know once or twice but not won't won't read it cover to cover
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] do you read T News at work
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah that's uh I used to read that all the time
[speaker002:] I do that all everyday so that's another way but that's mainly you know that doesn't have like a whole lot just a few things on there which is
[speaker001:] uh-huh did you notice what TI stock closed at today I didn't either
[speaker002:] huh I didn't see it
[speaker001:] I hear it's forty two though yeah no it well a couple of weeks probably about a week ago it was at forty seven
[speaker002:] is that right is that up wow
[speaker001:] but that was uh I believe because of the stockholders' meeting
[speaker002:] should've sold
[speaker001:] yeah exactly exactly
[speaker002:] the building I was in well it guess you work for TI too
[speaker001:] pardon me
[speaker002:] I guess you work for TI too
[speaker001:] I did until December
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and uh that's how come I don't read T News anymore
[speaker002:] yeah you got surplused I got I got surplused last year myself yeah
[speaker001:] did you that's that's great did you just find a a place in another
[speaker002:] yeah another organization yeah they
[speaker001:] another TI organization
[speaker002:] they needed somebody just like me whereas before I was not even doing what I was supposed been doing but uh that's not that's not the topic I guess but uh
[speaker001:] that's kind of interesting that they can you know say get out of here in one second and then the other side say come on over here
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so that worked out pretty well for you I was talking talking to a guy from Colorado Springs yesterday who is
[speaker002:] it did quite a bit better
[speaker001:] implied or inferred definitely that he has been surplused from up there and he didn't know what he wanted to do he's been with TI for fifteen years
[speaker002:] yeah oh gosh
[speaker001:] so it's uh and he's a nonexempt uh he doesn't know what he's gonna do they're just shutting down the whole plant up there
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it's gonna be a tough time for all around the country I mean you look at the look in the paper and you see all the stuff about you know layoffs here layoffs there and you think oh man what's gonna happen
[speaker001:] exactly uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know thank goodness General Dynamics got that big contract because that'll least bring some money to the area
[speaker001:] right who who got the contract
[speaker002:] General Dynamics and Lockheed and Boeing
[speaker001:] oh well yeah I always get mixed up who's their partners with that late latest deal
[speaker002:] Lockheed and Boeing on this
[speaker001:] is it Lockheed and Boeing
[speaker002:] yeah but Lockheed I used to work for Lockheed and at the time I was there they were developing the prototype for the uh that fighter
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so it was pretty big stuff there then now they got the contract for it so
[speaker001:] so GD didn't get it or is not associated
[speaker002:] well they're they're in in partnership with uh Lockheed and and Boeing yeah it's a it's a threesome
[speaker001:] oh they are okay so it's I thought it was Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas or was that uh Northrop
[speaker002:] no McDonnell Douglas lost out they lost the contract they were in partnership with Northrop and they lost the contract and so
[speaker001:] okay yeah that'll be a biggie I wonder what they do with those planes now that they've made as uh test
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] test plane
[speaker002:] probably sell to somebody who wants to pay for I don't know
[speaker001:] yeah becomes a new corporate jet
[speaker002:] yeah there you go old Jerry can use that
[speaker001:] there you go yeah exactly alrighty well it's been good talking to you
[speaker002:] yes have a good day bye
[speaker001:] okay you too bye |
[speaker002:] yeah uh do do you uh do any work on your own cars
[speaker001:] I uh I used to I don't uh much anymore except just change the oil occasionally
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah I actually I just uh just recently thought about buying a new car and I went and I saw all the Japanese cars and uh really liked the uh actually the Diamante which is uh sort of the luxury Nissan
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] uh but I I just decided I wasn't gonna get I wasn't first of all I wasn't gonna get a Japanese car that was about the time that uh
[speaker001:] oh yeah that
[speaker002:] you know all the all the sort of antitrade stuff was going on and then uh later decided that uh I'd just hang on to my own car which has about two hundred and eighteen thousand miles on it it's a Chevy Celebrity four cylinder
[speaker001:] oh my goodness that's very good
[speaker002:] and I've driven it since uh grad school and uh just decided you know I think I'll hang on to this car you know it's been so good for me for me all this time so uh in fact I got my wife a a used car that was uh also a Chevy Celebrity because
[speaker001:] you had good luck with that one huh
[speaker002:] you know I've I had good luck and uh I knew enough about all the the basic maintenance you know brakes oil and that kind of stuff to do it myself so
[speaker001:] well that's uh I I'd certainly agree with your with your logic there my uh uh feelings about cars are I'd look under the hood and I see all the um all the stuff under there and I say boy my chances of of doing how shall I say it uh everything's electronic uh uh it's not that I'd I mean cancel their time it's just that uh there's so much you know you can't and you can't tune it yourself you can't do anything it's because you don't have the the tools to measure it on on the other hand I'm I I have a
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] a ninety Honda and uh I'm kind of on the other end of the spectrum I have let's see I have uh twelve thousand miles on a little over a two year old car
[speaker002:] all right
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] so you don't have any problems with it
[speaker001:] so yeah and it's a it's a absolutely flawless car it uh and it's the smoothest car I've ever ridden I uh ah what's that
[speaker002:] is it an Accord it's an Accord
[speaker001:] Accord yes and uh so the the things that personally if I ever if I had to buy another car uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] huh I'd be the the new American cars uh their ads intrigue me because they think they can catch up uh with uh the Japanese but as far as
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I I think one of the things that they are going to have to impress me with is is again this uh the thing that impresses you about yours and that's uh frequency of repair and and absolute reliability
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] because the worst thing that can happen to a person is I think is uh to have to go in and get it fixed you know it's it's
[speaker002:] yep yeah because it just breaks it more
[speaker001:] yeah there's a a that that was I I noticed that uh uh with one of my other cars uh if if there's this kind of uh natural curve of decay you know decay curve uh half the time when you take it in it's farther down the and you get it back it's farther down the curve than when you took it in
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] because those guys are they're being paid for uh you know last time I had my car repaired uh even even this car I took it in they said sixty dollars an hour and
[speaker002:] wow that's as much as I make programming
[speaker001:] and well I said sixty dollars an hour
[speaker002:] I mean and I don't even get the sixty I only make I only get the thirty so
[speaker001:] they charged me a hundred and thirty dollars labor but they clocked my car out at an hour after they clocked it in
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so they they charged me for two and a half you know basically two and a half hours uh labor an hour later and I asked them about that and they said that's uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] oh that's flat rate sir you know that they look it up in the book and if it takes an hour to do something why and they can get it done in thirty minutes why they charge you an hour
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so anyway those that uh
[speaker002:] in other words there's no there's no benefit for going to a skilled mechanic
[speaker001:] yeah so uh anyway what I'm looking for is is reliability because I wanna keep it away from the from the uh the repair people
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and the other thing I'm I guess I'd be looking for is uh um you know mileage counts with me even though I even though I don't drive that much I I like mileage
[speaker002:] yeah yeah somebody told me uh once the a casual conversation that this guy ran a a towing service
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] and uh I was telling him about you know I was thinking about buying a car and he said you know I he said he he knew it would sound biased but he said that about uh I don't know four out of five cars that he tows are Japanese cars and he said he just he didn't why you know he'd been in the he'd been in the business for awhile and he wasn't sure maybe it was because people who bought those cars you know would would rather have it towed than try some other thing you know like you know having somebody drag it home with a chain |
[speaker001:] Okay, uh.
[speaker002:] Do you have annual family reunions or,
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah, uh, our, the my mother's side of the family is quite large, or well, was quite large at one time, [LAUGHTER] and, uh, [throat clearing] they, uh, for as long as I can remember, have had, uh, a yearly reunion, um, back, uh, early on they used to, to rotate them from hou-, from som-, to, to different people's houses,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] in the family. [sigh] And,
[speaker002:] All local. Were they like all in Dallas?
[speaker001:] Uh, no, no not, no, this was, well, I am actually from Mississippi, {C and,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] so that's, it, it was around there generally.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, that's where the family
[speaker002:] Just from city to city then.
[speaker001:] grew. Yeah, and it was not only in Mississippi, in some other places,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] as well, so. It was, uh, it was a big deal, but, uh, they tried to, to centralize it in one spot. So, in the past couple of years they had it at a state park every year.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We rent a pavilion and, [inhaling] and do that and that's usually works out to be pretty good. And, uh, they will rent a pavilion on a weekend, and uh [throat clearing],
[speaker002:] Do you go back?
[speaker001:] I have not gone back lately. In fact, uh, this past Sunday was the, was the reunion, but I did not get to go. Uh, I have,
[speaker002:] Is it choice or just business or,
[speaker001:] Not getting to go.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, just, uh, the distance involved and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, just not, I have a younger daughter now and, uh, I, it's kind of hard to get her, [throat clearing] get her there,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and everything. But I am going to, to, uh, hopefully next year get to go back, cause, uh, a lot of the family has not, uh, on her side, my mother's side, has not seen, you know, my daughter, so [inhaling].
[speaker002:] Oh. Do you have brothers and sisters?
[speaker001:] I have one brother, so.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. And, is your mother still living?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Oh, so, so you go back and visit with her anyway. Would you not?
[speaker001:] Right, yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean, either way there was family reunion time,
[speaker001:] Right, I, I usually see her a,
[speaker002:] or not,
[speaker001:] couple times a year so that's no, no big thing. But, uh, I, uh, I do, I do enjoy the reunions. The only problem is that now, uh, originally when we had them, uh, they were mainly [sigh] my mother's [sigh],
[speaker002:] Relatives, right.
[speaker001:] uh, father's. My mother's father's family had quite a few,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, brothers and sisters. So, it was a large reunion of, of, of that group, uh, from that descendants.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, a lot of those people have, and at time, you know, they all knew one another.
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] And now it has gotten, uh, that, uh, a lot of those people are d-, have, uh, have died off, or, you know, what we are left with is the, the relatives of, of,
[speaker002:] The next generation, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] of that group. [sigh] And so, uh, it's not quite as close as it used to be. So, I think people feel less of a desire to really go. I know that,
[speaker002:] Wh-, why do you think that it's less close than it used to be?
[speaker001:] Well, I, I just think that, uh, you know, at that ti-, when, [sigh] when they were a-, you know, the, those were all brothers and sisters a lot and or they were all in the same ar-, geographical location.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You know, back around, you know, in the twenties and thirties when they were growing up, uh, you know, they were all located together,
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] in one small community.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And as, as time grew, I mean when time went on the family grew and moved away and so forth. And now [breathing] when they come together it's, it's generally, [inhaling] you know, like say the kids of those people who are not, you know, anywhere near one another and I do not think they feel the, [inhaling] the closeness that they used to be there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Which is a shame but that's just how it is. My mother was complaining last year about th-, you know, it's dwindling down every year, you know, that's just, I think
[speaker002:] Is that just family's lack of priority, anymore, maybe yes,
[speaker001:] that's just [throat clearing],
[speaker002:] we get so involved in our work lives and [sigh] just,
[speaker001:] Well, yeah.
[speaker002:] social lives and so forth.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, I think that's some of it. But, you know, I have, uh, I, I, it's just the way, you know, I think society is now, is that we are not, we do not have the extensive family we used to.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's more of a, you know, a smaller, [inhaling] smaller unit, and you know, we, [inhaling] we tend to try to do things, I think with our immediate family,
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] as opposed to the extended family. Of people that we may or may not remember or know, you know, very well. Uh [sigh],
[speaker002:] It really makes an effort on, to,
[speaker001:] Right,
[speaker002:] do this anymore.
[speaker001:] it requires a lot of effort to, to,
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] to do that sort of thing. I mean, I, I used to enjoy going, I mean I still do kind of enjoy it, but, uh, it's, it does not, it's not as many people there that I really, really enjoy seeing.
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] You know, I, it's going just for the sake of getting together, I think for the family. And,
[speaker002:] Do you correspond with anybody other than your mother and brother that's in that group?
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Uh,
[speaker002:] On a regular basis, not just Christmas cards.
[speaker001:] Um, um, no, not really. Tha-, in that, but, then again, uh, well, I, you know, I have some aunts that, uh, I, I, I do. That's about th-, my mother's sisters,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know, but I feel closer to them, because I kind of grew up with them. But,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] [Inhaling] But, uh, as, you know, for the rest of that group, no not really. Uh, you know, and, and generally when I was growing up a lot of those people, the only time I ever saw them was at the reunion, so, uh
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] you do not really feel that [sigh] that really close to them.
[speaker002:] Right. In my, my, uh, father's family, we get together [throat clearing] every year at a different location, either Dallas or Oklahoma City. They had chosen Santa Barbara, California for this summer and, and did not get enough people that were willing to go that far,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because most of us live either in the midwest, or like in the Texas, Oklahoma area. And, {F uh, [swallowing] so } they cancelled that one and, uh, are looking next year bringing it back closer, but we have a letter, a family letter,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that circulates, and it usually goes through me twice a year and what you do is take out the last letter you wrote that's on the bottom and put the, your new letter on the top, and then that's the way it's kept in order. And then, [sigh] about twice a year then you are kept up with what is going on and when you meet them at the reunion, you do not feel like, I do not know anything about this person. You have,
[speaker001:] That's a good idea.
[speaker002:] read something about what is going on and [inhaling] about their children and so forth. So, you are kind of,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] half way acquainted that way. [inhaling] And that,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that's been a, that's been a nice way of keeping us all aware of each other, I think.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] We tried to start that in my husband's family. His mother's side decided they were going to have a reunion a couple of years ago, and I said, well let's start this letter, and it just never my husband's sisters started it and sent it to us and that's as far as [LAUGHTER] it got. I sent it,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] on to the next one, and, and, but we are going in a couple of weeks to the next one, in Scottsdale, Arizona,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] for that family. [inhaling] We are real glad we got together because since that, that time there were only like two of the, one sister and one sister-in-law of the original family left. And the sister-in-law died and the sister is in a nursing home, so, we are glad that we took that opportunity two years ago. |
[speaker001:] okay official time well what do you think of about the budget here you first
[speaker002:] oh well I think it needs some drastic uh drastic drastic help um
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] I I think there's a lot of waste that that could uh that would be cut out if we could get uh politicians to be less less of politicians um and um I I think it needs to be given a really high priority because I I think it has a horrible effect on the economy and and what we can do as a country and everything else
[speaker001:] I know that we're affected uh directly uh at TI because of uh the defense budget cuts but I certainly think that's one of the the things that they're doing already which is uh which which was needed to be done for probably the last few years uh
[speaker002:] sure right yeah
[speaker001:] although with the Russian situation and all the world situation changing the way it is uh it certainly needed I the obvious one that people all talk about that I still don't understand is uh I'm at work let me turn my radio off here uh is uh all the foreign aid I you know it's over it's a fifty years roughly since World War II
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I don't understand why we're I understand that we support Israel and all the other countries but why do we have to give them cash rather than just selling them military things at a discount or something I don't get the idea the idea of giving people three billion dollars a year
[speaker002:] yeah right I I have a hard time with that too now I can understand uh for instance the uh the situation in say the Philippines where they needed some cash to jump start their economy
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but I don't see where we I mean I think it's crazy to be just pouring money into an economy that's obviously mismanaged for instance um
[speaker001:] right well I think that we should give humanitarian aid and that's it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know I think we can loan food or or relief relief aid or whatever you want to call it but I
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] not cash money I think you can send them wheat in other words I think that helps farmers but
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] to send them money I don't I don't
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] see under any circumstances where you send anybody money
[speaker002:] I'm not sure I understand the I I guess there's a a a reason for that and I I just don't know enough about it to understand the sense of it because it's not an obvious I I mean on the surface there's no obvious reason why we should be doing that
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I have to agree with you there
[speaker001:] I'm amazed that neither neither party or or the which I guess they're independent parties too why they don't talk about it I mean they don't bring it up at all why you would think they'd be real having a real campaign with one party or the other
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] and they never talk about it they just keep doing it you know
[speaker002:] yeah that there's some kind of justification there and I don't know what it is and I don't know if I agree with it or not yeah
[speaker001:] I I just like to hear them talk about it you know I like to hear some of the congressmen or senators at least
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] say well let's let's bring this before let's examine every one of our foreign aids
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and look like like they did with the defense with the military bases they they investigated all those rightfully wrongly wrongfully whether which ones should be closed I don't know
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] at least they looked at it I think they should look at foreign aid and say hey which ones do we not need to give you know
[speaker002:] right well you know the the the other thing is that you have all this this this all this partisan politics where you have a person who's representing a particular state and he says well my my state it would advantageous if the if the United States spent money to uh you know to investigate uh potato blithe or something you know and that's and there is tons of that and
[speaker001:] right yeah I know that is amazing
[speaker002:] and that is just a horrible waste of money I think and it's and it's done because some constituent you know I well it's done because they want to impress the the people that are going to vote for him next month
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh if if there was a way to get around that and I think I think some of that could be avoided if we put uh uh a finite term on on some of these peoples um uh uh you know stay in office um
[speaker001:] oh I agree with you there
[speaker002:] I I think they would have they wouldn't have time to I mean they'd have to I think their incentive would be to go out uh or and making their mark on history and they wouldn't even be wasting their time on little piddly stuff that's just draining draining money uh instead they'd concentrate on doing something that was significant um I would hope so anyway
[speaker001:] yeah I saw one about a month or so ago on Twenty Twenty I think it was where one of the congressmen I think it was from Connecticut and I probably will will screw that up but
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] he wanted to start another drug headquarters in his state and no one was asking for it but him and he got the money approved got it approved by tagging it on to some other bill
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and it didn't you know the the newsman asked him what what no one is asking for this why do you you know and it was just totally a boondoggle I mean it was just uh him wanting to build something that nobody wanted
[speaker002:] yeah sure right well that's that's you know that's the catch word these days is drug you know drug fight drug
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] I mean he got himself
[speaker001:] but the drug agency wasn't asking for it he was asking for it you know which didn't make any sense at all
[speaker002:] yeah I don't know he it looked can look good on his resume resume
[speaker001:] right it is amazing how the the congressmen and senators just start are totally in another world once they get elected
[speaker002:] yeah yeah oh yeah and well you know it's like I've I've really gotten cynical I guess as I've gotten older but I've I've been watching you know the the campaigns and stuff and it's it just it's just amazing how little anybody really says
[speaker001:] right or well duh I thought you were going to say what they do
[speaker002:] oh that too
[speaker001:] I I've been trying to go over in my own mind when they say we're gonna really if you vote for me we're gonna control crime and drugs they don't do anything nothing they don't have they had any president or anybody every done anythin g against crime and drugs you know
[speaker002:] right right well no no I mean and because it's you know and it's because nothing is black and white
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know you just can't go up and go up there and say well we're going to we're going to stop crime now
[speaker001:] right yeah exactly
[speaker002:] if it were that simple somebody would have done it a long time ago
[speaker001:] right exactly
[speaker002:] and that's what kind you know they there's the people that says well we'll we'll never raise taxes or we will raise taxes or you know it's like the guy who says you're never going to raise taxes doesn't isn't realistic about what he sees about what he's doing the guy who says well we should raise taxes
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] will raise them but but it will all it the money will not help anything that's what kills me um you know the for instance here here in Texas they're talking about uh an income tax well I could almost support an income tax if they reduced or got rid of the sales tax
[speaker001:] right yeah you can't double up yeah
[speaker002:] but nobody's talking about that they want both you know no I know and they never go away they just get higher and there's more of them you know
[speaker001:] exactly exactly they never go away the the funniest thing I heard lately about politicians uh joke was uh uh do you know how you can tell it when a politician is lying his lips are moving
[speaker002:] yeah my favorite yeah yeah yeah my favorite one about politicians is that a politician's a person who's made it to the top because he didn't have what it takes to make it at the bottom
[speaker001:] that that that that see that covers is all you know right yeah but it it is the budget thing is just and I don't know why they don't talk about it logically it's always always uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] again the only thing I guess they're doing logically now is the defense which is certainly hurting TI to a degree although we've done so well with the
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] Gulf War we got a lot of good positive press with all the exotic uh weapon systems and I think we'll get a lot of those you know but uh
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] uh you you need to close so many bases and you need to cut out some missiles or I mean some uh programs and all
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh and they're doing that I think that's that's really good even though it it hurts a lot bit you know
[speaker002:] well yeah the the problem is that the budget is so complicated and what they're doing are the things that are easy they're making the easy choices
[speaker001:] well then that's probably true
[speaker002:] and and uh um and it's and I think part of it is that the budget you know the the economy and the budget is too complicated for a lot of the politicians I mean they can't comprehend um you know what it takes what it needs they just don't have the expertise the other thing is they can't it's too
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh it's not in their political career interest to make some of the hard decisions that are going to need to be made
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh and so what you do is you do the obvious things you know and and they they don't really help all that much I mean sure they help some and I'm sure
[speaker001:] right I don't go ahead I was going to say I know you mentioned it but I don't know why we can't change the laws where there the congress and the senators just have eight years or or terms because the president has it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and I think that uh is you know you don't want someone in there forever
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and the congressmen go in there forever and that's that's their whole life then
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and their family's life and every one of their relatives gets on it has got a job you know it's ridiculous
[speaker002:] yeah well uh you know I think uh it's got to come from the you know it's it's got to be you know there certainly the politicians aren't going to introduce that as a bill so so so you know if something like that's going to happen it's usually because somebody's
[speaker001:] right there you go there you go
[speaker002:] you know somebody has gotten angry enough and has got the time an the energy to to you know have to to develop something from the from the you know ground swell level you know where you get a petition up and you you know get signatures and you call for a referendum and it's not easy it's not easy
[speaker001:] no that's true maybe that long-term though I think that is a a factor that is to keep the our government uh rotating you know keep them moving uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and not get the career politicians huh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] yeah there's uh historians I thought that keep saying will that that never was meant that the politicians would make a career it was just something that you would serve like in the military
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and then you'd be done you know
[speaker002:] that's right well you know it and and what was supposed to be uh so healthy about our our former government is that these were regular people who were who you know these were the doctors and the lawyers and the accountants and the janitors and the uh who were in there for their brief period of time to do their to to to serve proudly and
[speaker001:] right right right right right |
[speaker001:] good so what common hobbies do do you have Cathy and
[speaker002:] oh I do um cross stitch and some needle point
[speaker001:] cross-stitch and uh needle point uh-huh
[speaker002:] and needle needle point and I also crochet
[speaker001:] and you do crocheting
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] my goodness I ought to have my wife here talking to you I think
[speaker002:] uh what kind what kind of hobbies do you have
[speaker001:] well I don't whether we can call it a hobby or not and uh many years ago music was a hobby to me
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] but as I have gotten older I found out that music has taken over about half of my time and uh now that I'm I retired about uh not quite a month ago that'll be uh I guess most of my efforts
[speaker002:] what kind of music do you do do you do you perform or do you
[speaker001:] well I I yes I play uh violin in um three different symphony orchestras local a local one here in State College and then one in Altoona which is oh forty five miles away and
[speaker002:] wow um-hum
[speaker001:] and another one at the Lockhaven University which is about forty five fifty miles away
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh I formed what is called a State College Municipal Band oh about ten fifteen years ago I play trumpet in that and conduct occasionally once in a while
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] so I'm pretty busy in keeping that band going and trying to keep my violin playing up to uh an acceptable level of these other orchestras
[speaker002:] oh it sounds like you are busy that's almost an occupation now
[speaker001:] it does does take a lot of work and then when I have spare time I uh also am an amateur radio operator
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I don't
[speaker002:] for uh for ham radios
[speaker001:] um-hum I have so little opportunity I am hopefully the next year or so going to uh rebuild my station and uh get back on the air a little bit more consistently
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I do have the equipment but as the antennas blew down the last few years I just went off the air and that uh that was the end of that
[speaker002:] oh yeah I've always thought that was interesting I've never know anyone or or used a ham radio but I always thought that the concept was really interesting
[speaker001:] it is it's it's a very interesting thing to talk to people all over the world it's what it amounts to
[speaker002:] um-hum I didn't know how far of a of a distance I guess depending on what kind of aerial that you use
[speaker001:] depends upon the frequency and how good of an antenna you have and how conditions are about every eleven or twelve years conditions change
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so that uh you're signals get into different parts of the world
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] man I have at one time or another talked almost not every country in the world but in all areas of the world
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] I oh I have when I was really active I had well over a hundred different countries that I had talked to
[speaker002:] uh-huh regularly
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum fairly consistently yeah well tell me about this work that you do and uh do you display display these sell them or uh how do uh
[speaker002:] that's exciting oh uh well actually yeah I've I've done some original work not very much in cross stitch
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but I I did do one for my husband's mother and unfortunately she passed away the day I finished the day after I finished it
[speaker001:] you know that sounds exactly like things that Pat does but
[speaker002:] and uh she never saw it she never knew anything about it
[speaker001:] hum that is a shame
[speaker002:] it is and it's kind of spooky the the thing that I did I did the twenty third psalm the last verse
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it was I presume you're familiar with that
[speaker001:] yeah and this is something that you would make into one square and hang on the wall is the way you do it uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh yeah it's it's in uh it's one picture and it is hanging on the wall and I entered it in the State Fair of Texas under original art work and I won fourth place with it
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] but I do pictures all around I've done some pictures oh I've done polar bears and sayings and I've done um uh sunsets and quite a few wedding and baby announcements
[speaker001:] where do you get the information to that enables you to do these different pictures uh are they already worked out so that you know
[speaker002:] most of them are already worked out I have worked up some but not many of them and the ones that I haven't worked out there's magazines everywhere
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and there's uh craft books and there's several designers that once you've you've been with a particular craft like this you get to know the designers and you end up having some favorites in the designers
[speaker001:] hum well that is a very interesting thing it it is awfully nice to have something to do that that you enjoy so much that you can put you soul into it so to speak
[speaker002:] well well I do well and you can easily uh there's parts of me sometimes there's even a little bit of blood in some of my art work from needles
[speaker001:] yeah I can imagine from needles yeah
[speaker002:] yeah but I've got uh a little baby he's there he goes he's seventeen months and uh my cross stitch time has
[speaker001:] yeah I can hear him |
[speaker001:] go ahead um I haven't given this a a lot of thought I'm uh I'd that's a whole pleased with the practice practice that is they I uh I don't you would favor invasions of privacy on the other hand I'd say arguable that that that uh people who's jobs are critical to to public safety should have to meet special standards uh I haven't given this matter enough thought
[speaker002:] do you work for TI
[speaker001:] no uh uh I'm in the Washington area I work for NIST
[speaker002:] oh oh okay oh all right well see we have the testing already here we've had it for oh about five years it used to just be for new employees
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and now it's for all employees they uh randomly select employee numbers and uh the day that they select you is when you have to go and and be tested so we're familiar with it
[speaker001:] and now and how do people feel about it
[speaker002:] uh we have a lot of um people upset about it at the beginning some not all but what was happening at TI is that they found certain parts of the company there was a lot of drug abuse um mainly the areas where where they were doing a lot of um manufacturing type things and what they ended up doing is um kind of like doing a little bit of an undercover agent to watch what was happening and we had people using on the premises and actually selling and dealing you know on the premises
[speaker001:] well okay that's that's a very different issue
[speaker002:] well yeah it it was you know combination of of uh both activities and uh and using too so they developed this uh drug policy so that uh to eliminate there's some parts of the company that we do uh government contracts and I think some of those require the drug testing but now TI thought well we'll just do it for all employees that um not just because of safety issues but because we want a totally drug free safe environment for all people to work in and that we shouldn't have um people on drugs within our you know offices and such I haven't personally ever been tested but I don't have a problem with it
[speaker001:] and um does the testing cover alcohol as well as illegal drugs
[speaker002:] no but one thing that to to me was um going on stretching it a little too far was that they also check um if you're taking somebody else's prescription drug you know it happens a lot of times like some member of the family gets the flu or whatever and you know then they give it to everybody else in the family and don't always go back to the you know doctor and get another prescription
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] well according to what they do at TI if you take a prescription drug it has to be in your name it you know it can't be in your spouse's name so they will look I mean the testing will look for I guess any kind of drugs and you have to tell them what you're taking a prescription for
[speaker001:] so they ask you to declare beforehand what prescription drugs you are taking
[speaker002:] right yes yes when you get tested you're supposed to tell them you know everything that that might be there and then if they ever um question you or something you may have to show proof that you do have a prescription in your name
[speaker001:] okay well well I mean it's I would guess that in fact they don't test for for they don't routinely test for very many prescription drugs but that I but they don't tell you in advance uh so
[speaker002:] well what they were be testing for are the ones that would have like you know barbiturates or codeine things like that in them
[speaker001:] the ones that would constitute controlled substances or something anyway
[speaker002:] right right I guess that's what is they wouldn't be looking for penicillin and antibiotics antibiotics and stuff they'd be looking for the yeah controlled things barbiturates amphetamines
[speaker001:] so what they're asking you to tell them is all the prescription drugs you're taking which are controlled substances
[speaker002:] right right you pretty much you know put down what you remember even if it is was just Contact or something like that but afterwards uh maybe if you had a controlled substance well you you probably put down you know you had Drixoral or Contact if you would remember that you did it
[speaker001:] is Contact a what okay is Contact a
[speaker002:] no I'm just saying you probably probably put down on the sheet anything you have taken but if they had a controlled substance maybe they would ask you then to show that you had that prescription in your name
[speaker001:] substance okay okay
[speaker002:] I know I had one contract employee through manpower was not a TI person but was it contract person and they test them too even if you are not a real uh TIer if you are a contract employee here they test you too
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and he had taken some kind of um oh you know uh just he had some kind of flu or something he got a real bad migraine and he took his mother's |
[speaker001:] Hi, my last, uh, auto repair was my, my, uh, alternator went out. I have a nineteen eighty-six Toyota, uh, it's a little Tercel [static].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [pounding].
[speaker001:] And, uh, I have a fri-, a friend who's real good with, uh, repairing cars so I got him to take the alternator off and take it and, uh, you know, get a replacement part.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So we went to a, uh, a, a place called Quality Auto Parts an, and their parts are supposed to be guaranteed and, and everything and they're, they're, uh, very reasonable. So, uh, I bought the alternator, we p-, put it on the car and it, it didn't work, and it blew out all the fuses.
[speaker002:] Oh, no [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] How much was the alternator?
[speaker001:] Uh, I bel-, something like sixty-nine dollars, som-, something on that order.
[speaker002:] Did he, did he hook up the wir-, wiring wrong?
[speaker001:] No, he hooked it up right. It, it was just that the, the part just, just didn't fit the car, so. I took it back and, uh, he, he took the alter-, the guy in, in the parts shop took the alternator and he put it on the little thing he has in there to test them and, uh, he said there was nothing wrong with the alternator so we, we went back and tried it again, put it on again and it still didn't work, and we took the car up to, um, a little place called Pep Boys, I don't know if you have them in your area
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, they're, they're pretty reasonable, uh, car repair place also. So, uh, took it up there, towed it up there because it, you know, wouldn't start or anything and this thing just kept blowing out the fuses and, uh, took them about an, an hour to, um, figure out what was, what was blowing the fuse, and it was, it was the alternator that was blowing the fuse. Anyway, [breathing] ended up taking it to the Toyota dealer and the only problem was that, uh, it had to be a genuine Toyota, uh, alternator because most of the other ones that they say will fit it, that, that, you know, they sit in there and everything but there's just some little difference that, um, causes it not to work an i-,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, they probably built that in so they could make money.
[speaker001:] Ye-, yeah, I guess so and that was my, that was my last experience.
[speaker002:] Well I had a weird, there's a little sensing device, uh, in front of my, uh, [pause] um, I'm not sure, right in front of the f-, fan, it's a, it's an air conditioner sensing device. I don't know why, it actually, there's a metal piece that fits through the belts, uh, and somehow that broke off and, uh, I, I still can't figure out how it broke, and, uh, anyway, so a-, this piece obviously, um, I have a Subaru, and, uh, I think you can only get it through Subaru dealer, etcetera, so.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, this little sensing device costed like sixty bucks [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Goodness, are you able,
[speaker002:] And, and I haven't had too many problems with my car, I got a eighty-eight Subaru, G L X T and it,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, and then, you know just basic maintenance and oil changes an I, and I do not do my oil changes and I will not do my oil changes. I've, I think the first time I tried to do one and ended up, um, trying to ge-, uh, yo-, borrowed somebody else's jack and I did this and I went and bought everything,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so after buying the filter and all the oil, you're looking at ten bucks at least,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or somewhere in there an, and, uh, and then to go to the trouble, that I figured it's easier spending eighteen bucks at Jiffy Lube.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So that, that's, um, you know, [throat clearing] as far as any maintenance on my car, I, I shy away from the oil changes, that's for sure.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, well my car is, uh, it's an eighty-six and I really hadn't had any, any trouble with it un-, until that and the car now has a hundred and thirty something thousand miles on it and, uh, and this was just recent, so I really can't complain about this one.
[speaker002:] How did you put that many miles on it, in,
[speaker001:] Um, well, I used,
[speaker002:] four or five years?
[speaker001:] I used to work, uh, it was a seventy mile trip everyday, you know, two ways was seventy miles.
[speaker002:] Oh, a hundred and forty mile trip?
[speaker001:] No, it was, it was just seventy miles.
[speaker002:] Oh, thirty-five miles each way.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I did that for about three years and it really, it really added up. I've only taken, uh, maybe two trips that were about four hours long dow-, uh, down to Shreveport. And, uh, the rest of it was, you know, it's just basically driving a long ways to work. And now I drive like twenty, twenty-three miles each way, so, I'm getting a little, a little, uh, little relief, but still I drive a long ways.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I guess because they're highway miles, you know, it's not so bad on your car as, as if it, you know, were just regular street, you know.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Do you work for T I?
[speaker001:] Yes I do.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Do you?
[speaker002:] I was going to ask you, you know, as far as how we're getting compensated for what we're doing right now, um, I don't work for T I and I'm just, I get these green, I don't know what you want to call them, fake [pause]
[speaker001:] Points.
[speaker002:] point things,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, I just wondering how I go about getting the cash [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh, there's a number that you call, it's the same number that you, that you call to make a call.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] You, you call that number and, and, uh, somehow or another they'll give you an option to leave a message and you can leave a message.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I know someone that did that, you leave a message and they'll, they'll call you back.
[speaker002:] Okay, all right, well that's good to know. I haven't been doing th-, this is the first time I've been called in a long time and I haven't been doing it so,
[speaker001:] Oh really.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I've done it maybe twelve times.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Well I don't know if I've done it quite that much, but, uh, mine is mixed up too, I have to call and get it fixed [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh, let's see before I had this car I had a, um, I bought an Audi five thousand
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but I bought it, I bought it used. I, I just bought it from a friend who was going to, who just charged me what the dealer was going to give, give him for it for a trade-in, and, uh, it had a whole lot of miles on it. I, I figured maybe I'd get one or two years out of it, an I, an I did get a couple of good years out of it and the, uh, the engine messed up on me and then I gave it to a guy to repair who works for the aut-, for the Audi dealer and, uh, he took the engine apart and, you know, he just said he couldn't fix it so the engine never got put back together again.
[speaker002:] Huh, oh well.
[speaker001:] I,
[speaker002:] I was driving a sixty-six Plymouth Fury.
[speaker001:] Wow. I think those old cars
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, and,
[speaker001:] might, might be a pretty good bet because you [LAUGHTER], I don't know, i-,
[speaker002:] Oh, tha-, that's when they made cars, though, this things was, the body was in good condition and you know, it ran fine. It was starting to burn some oil.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Um.
[speaker002:] And, um, but I had to [pause], you know, ge-, you know, I, after about thr-, couple of months after I was out of college I finally splurged and bought my car so.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, I read a book one time that said that the best cars were made before seventy-four.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, you know, these, these cars made in the sixties and stuff, I mean the steel, I mean, the thickness, I mean, i-, those thin-, they're just, th-, you just don't see cars like that.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And they last a long time. And they were simple too, the engines were simple and durable and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] some people will still buy them, you know, they'll,
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's easy to, it's easy, I guess it's still easy to find engines for those cars, engines and transmissions and if you, I guess if you keep trad-, changing them out you can keep a car for a long time. Course I guess I could do the same thing with the, the Toyota that I have, I just don't know how much they'll want to charge me to,
[speaker002:] [Yawning] It almost costs so much to fix anything or do anything with it, you're just better off buying another car.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I guess so, but I just think they cost too much in the, in the first place, now a days. |
[speaker001:] What kind of movies have you been seeing lately?
[speaker002:] Uh, it's been probably a month or so since I've been to the movies. Course, my, my favorite now is, is DANCES WITH WOLVES.
[speaker001:] Oh, it's an excellent movie.
[speaker002:] Uh, SILENCE OF THE LA-, uh, of the LAMBS was good.
[speaker001:] SILENCE OF THE LAMBS?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] What was that anyway? .
[speaker002:] Oh, it's a, I guess it's a mystery, you'd call it. It's with, uh, Jodie Foster.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And it, uh, it's pretty good. Another one that I think I really liked was, uh, THE FISHER KING.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Let's see, who was in FISHER KING? That was, um, Robin Williams and, uh
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and, uh, I can't the last name.
[speaker002:] How about you? What are you?
[speaker001:] Uh, we've not been having many opportunities to see movies lately. Um, we really enjoyed, um, DEAD POETS'SOCIETY.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Um, several years back one we saw, we saw we really, really enjoyed was, uh, ORDINARY PEOPLE, with, uh, Timothy Hutton and, uh, Mary Tyler Moore, and, uh, uh, who played the father, anyway
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] excellent movie.
[speaker002:] That was, that was an excellent movie. Have you seen DANCES WITH WOLVES?
[speaker001:] Yes we have.
[speaker002:] What'd you think of it?
[speaker001:] Oh, we loved it.
[speaker002:] I don't think I can see it enough times.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Course I'm a Kevin Costner fan.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with stuff he's done. Uh, he made kind of an odd sounding ROBIN HOOD, but, uh, I mean, you know, basic [throat clearing] thick western U S accent for a ROBIN HOOD just doesn't seem to fit.
[speaker002:] No, but you know, it wasn't a bad movie.
[speaker001:] Oh, no. It's a good movie.
[speaker002:] It got such bad reviews, really, and, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But I, then I wasn't expecting any classic either.
[speaker001:] Well, um, they did a real good job with it.
[speaker002:] I thought so.
[speaker001:] Um, they didn't try to make him super human or, you know, invincible. They just, just, he worked hard at it. .
[speaker002:] Have you seen THE FISHER KING?
[speaker001:] No I haven't, not an opportunity to see that, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh, it, you, you know, I guess it, it really isn't for everybody. It's, it's pretty deep and, uh, uh, philosophical.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But I thought it had a wonderful message to it. It's the kind you came out and looked at somebody and said, You know, I think I liked that [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And then the more you got to thinking about it, the more you thought, You know, I did like it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But when you first came out, you weren't real sure.
[speaker001:] It sounds kind of like one, uh, we saw at home here on the, rented it, um, CLARA'S HEART.
[speaker002:] Haven't seen that.
[speaker001:] Um, Whoopi Goldberg.
[speaker002:] Oh, yes, I did, yes, I did.
[speaker001:] And she played a, uh, the, uh, she's a housekeeper.
[speaker002:] Uh, the nanny type.
[speaker001:] Yeah, she's a housekeeper she.
[speaker002:] Housekeeper, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] She was a, oh, now I can't say it, a Haitian. Anyway, she, uh, she seemed to be that sort of person that seems half crazy, but then again, she's got a whole lot on the ball, and the movie had the whole, lot of philosophical content, more than, more than, you know, it wasn't a mystery, it wasn't, you know, blood and guts and violence and, and car chases type thing. It was just a good movie.
[speaker002:] I saw one the other day that was A KISS BEFORE DYING.
[speaker001:] A KISS BEFORE DYING.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. I had not heard about it when it was on the movies, but was out on video.
[speaker001:] And.
[speaker002:] And it's with Sean Young.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And it's a, it's a mystery. It was very predictable, I mean, you knew, you knew when the murder was going to happen or something, but it was still so well done
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that it was enjoyable.
[speaker001:] That, that takes a good bit to make one that's predictable that's still worth watching.
[speaker002:] That's right. I had, uh, uh, I like the, I think it's called the, uh, [breathing] RAZOR'S EDGE, but, no
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] no, the JAGGED EDGE, the JAGGED EDGE
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] with, uh, |
[speaker001:] okay I will I guess I will start and say that I keep up uh with current events mostly from three or four areas
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I'll tell you what they are and uh then you uh would you please uh tell me how you do it
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] I think I keep up better with what's going on in the world from the newspaper but I usually am introduced to subjects by television
[speaker002:] and then if something that struck your fancy then you pay attention more to that kind of topic then when you get the newspaper
[speaker001:] exactly in more detail
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I also take uh Time magazine and I enjoy that a lot and uh I get a lot of uh I think pretty good detail there and uh I'm pretty I'm pretty satisfied with I think those and some friends who are who are very knowledgeable
[speaker002:] um-hum yes
[speaker001:] and how how do you
[speaker002:] well basically the same thing I I know uh my husband's favorite radio station in all the world is KRLD he we wake up to KRLD we go to sleep at night to KRLD and I used to just really argue about that and battle that and I don't so much anymore because I do want to keep up and know what's going on and it helps I don't often uh have time to sit down and watch the evening news kind of thing but if I'm around during the daytime and have a chance I'll switch on CNN always have watched CNN ever since we got the cable
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] uh you know coverage that provided for that and have always enjoyed it and am glad to see them getting a little uh boost these days since the uh war a little more uh recognition and credibility
[speaker001:] yes yes
[speaker002:] I've I uh have access to Time and Newsweek and The Wall Street Journal all of which I rely on more I think than what I get over network TV news
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and like you you know knowledgeable friends I work for a fellow who is uh in the oil industry internationally and travels a lot to third world countries and all around and I feel like a lot of times what we get from his contacts is far more valid
[speaker001:] wonderful
[speaker002:] then you know but that's only in a real specialized area you know that's not that's just political it's not the medical arena it's not technology particularly although sometimes it overlaps
[speaker001:] of course
[speaker002:] into those kinds of things but I don't think I would be satisfied if all I had was just television
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] you know the uh the newspapers I think you know they uh I think a lot of the meat of what I get out out of the newspaper's not on the front page
[speaker001:] I think that's right too well especially The Wall Street Journal
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I uh I have really enjoyed being able to have access to that the last couple of years it uh
[speaker001:] don't you find though that it's hard to find time
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] to yeah to the reading is The Wall Street Journal if I don't read it the day that it comes in then if they start piling up on me then I have to just forget about about it usually
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum well and you know you just take a a newspaper just your your regular daily average big city newspaper there's more information in one than an entire month magazine you know monthly periodical
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and a lot of times I'll just take the whole thing soon as I get it and I take out the sections I want trash the rest otherwise you like you say the the stack of paper is so large
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] it's unmanageable just in your home situation
[speaker001:] it really is and especially if you're trying to
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] save papers for recycling
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right yeah
[speaker001:] just terrible job but uh I think I enjoy uh Time and I I get Insight and I don't like that magazine very much
[speaker002:] I I'm not familiar with that one
[speaker001:] it looks like a little Time
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] but it is not written as well as Time staff uh writers do but I I like some of those magazines because they just choose certain subjects I guess
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and deal with a uh
[speaker002:] well I'm a nonfiction oriented kind of person anyway oh I enjoy a good novel but you know given the choice in the doctor's office when they're all lined up I'm much more apt to grab the Time or Newsweek or US News and World Reports than I ever would People or McCall's or although I've you know I read those kinds of things too occasionally and and and find things that are current and
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] updated but I don't know I just just my particular predisposition I I tend more the other way so I try not to ever find myself in a situation without something to read because my reading time comes in
[speaker001:] yes right
[speaker002:] little snatches I have five kids so by the time I get around to actually reading I have you know I may have ten or fifteen minutes of slot to read so
[speaker001:] I guess you have five children well
[speaker002:] uh-huh well they're good kids
[speaker001:] uh oh well of course
[speaker002:] and this you know this is another reason though I think that ah makes me real aware and encouraging because I know there's always a a a tidbit of information that's going to come across some I'm either gonna read it or I'm gonna hear it that they can turn right around and use in a report
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] so if I hear a statistic that's interesting or whatnot even just driving in the car I'll make a little note and uh you know of where that came from and the time I heard it and whatnot so they can use that in a bibliography
[speaker001:] well you are passing good information on to them aren't you
[speaker002:] I hope so I hope so I think kids tend to watch news for the sensationalism my kids love to watch the news but it's not always you know you wonder if it's for the right reason
[speaker001:] yes right
[speaker002:] not just the gore
[speaker001:] they've heard it though
[speaker002:] yeah yeah but I think it's a good habit to
[speaker001:] sure it is
[speaker002:] to establish uh
[speaker001:] it has been nice talking to you
[speaker002:] thank you so much and uh
[speaker001:] enjoyed it a great deal
[speaker002:] I'll uh just be anxious to tell my daughter's friend that there's a nice lady out there
[speaker001:] there really is it's beautiful
[speaker002:] and that there's she's not falling off the face of the earth
[speaker001:] it really is beautiful you will enjoy I know she will enjoy it
[speaker002:] well my daughter hopes to come visit before too long so we're uh we're anxious to point that way sometime take care and have a good day
[speaker001:] oh good thank you you too
[speaker002:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] start
[speaker002:] what kind of recycling programs do you have in Rowlett
[speaker001:] um the well right now they've got a kind of a central location off of the main highway and they've got some great big bins there for newspaper um plastic um I think three bins for glass white green and whatever whatever other combination there is and and I think they've got a comp uh some kind of container for aluminum
[speaker002:] Plano's doing real good on that they have uh they start off putting out great big huge garbage cans
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] which we're supposed to put all our week's garbage into it and of course it doesn't fit right now but now we start in May breaking it down and they're picking it all up
[speaker001:] yeah um
[speaker002:] so they're going to by and we have to separate our papers and our glass and then uh they have one day for like um oh everything you picked up from your yard and we put that in disposable bags and they pick that up on Monday
[speaker001:] uh-huh um
[speaker002:] so it's really great I I'm really going head you know completely for it I think it's marvelous
[speaker001:] well that's good well Rowlett had sent sent out a survey not too long ago um in terms in how many people were interested in having a a pick up I guess on the days they do trash or something like that And apparently a lot of people responded to it favorably favorably because they're going to do it I don't know how how soon they're going to do it or how organized it's going to be but they're they're supposed to initiate that some sometime in the next couple of months
[speaker002:] well does your uh where you work do they also have aluminum cans pickups and things like that
[speaker001:] um I've never noticed that we don't have a a whole lot because we're in a hospital setting so most of the things we have are through our cafeteria um
[speaker002:] well down in the cafeteria do they have any place where you can put your you know pop cans and things like that
[speaker001:] um no there's there's only one pop machine and it's not accessible to the cafeteria now so uh mainly what they serve in there is juice and coffee and tea
[speaker002:] so you don't have much choice there
[speaker001:] no not not really
[speaker002:] well I work at uh JC Penny and last week they brought they have a sign up that says for one full week
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you bring in your old wire hangers and they are going to recycle them
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] so it's getting people clean out their closets and such and then like the week before that they said go through your cupboards and any food that is still good bring it in and they brought it down to the shelters
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they have one two they have three I think that I know of for cans for people have pop and they put them right near where they have the time cards and it works great and they have one in the room where the snack machines are too
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah that's good
[speaker002:] so they're really going at it and I think it's marvelous because
[speaker001:] yeah I I guess Rowlett's done a lot for the size town it is and I think they're trying to to make some changes I I noticed at the library or someplace this past uh month month and a half ago they were having a speaker um talk about
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] and I think they're trying to to make some changes I I noticed at the library or someplace this past uh month month and a half ago they were having a speaker um talk about doing lawn work and how how important it is to to cut your lawn without a bag just kind of mulch it rather than bag it up because of all all the the grass that's being bagged and being hauled away by the garbage trucks and stuff
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it's uh I guess a lot more ecological ecological to just mow the grass and let it work it's way back into the soil
[speaker002:] well did you watch the program the other night on um was it Save America it was good
[speaker001:] I saw part of that
[speaker002:] the only thing I guess thought um that I haven't been trying is when I you know go to take a shower to save the water and to put it on my plants which I had never thought about before
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I've already gone to oh I started years ago I guess not years ago but yeah I would say five years ago turning off my fountain I mean my water faucet in the sink when I brush my teeth
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I didn't realize that was the biggest waste of water that was surprising to me
[speaker001:] yeah um
[speaker002:] I missed that question totally I mean really bad I'm trying to think I didn't miss too many I can't remember what my score was but I did exceeding well I was surprised but I didn't realize that our garbage isn't being decomposed that was a shocker to me
[speaker001:] yeah well there are a lot of things that aren't I'm that's uh one of the things I wonder about uh one of the questions was do you think more should be done or something else I I wonder about some of the products products that they don't take like some of the plastics and things that they don't take uh why why they couldn't do more recycling with those
[speaker002:] well I was in uh Bizmart the other day and what I don't understand is there is recycled paper in there and it cost more than regular paper than regular paper
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] and it was only I think uh forty cents more you know fifty cents more but
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it upseted me to realize that hey the recycling that they're going through the expense of recycling but people aren't buying it so the cost of it is higher
[speaker001:] true yeah I noticed that about things like I seen I seen a lot of adds recently for organic fertilizers and lawn additives and that type of thing but the cost is is like double or sometimes triple what the regular things you fertilizers and things you buy so in in terms of that it's you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] for the environment it its there is good reason to do it the cost is kind of prohibited
[speaker002:] now see that's recycling you know companies that do at least go into it I'd like to see subsidy by the government or something or taxwise or something heavily enough to where they could get their prices lower than regular
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so that people would use this stuff reuse over again
[speaker001:] yeah it's a good idea
[speaker002:] it's like when he was saying uh which one was recyclable which was reusable and the recycle ones are better to use but lots of times you don't even see the signs on the bottles
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah true
[speaker002:] and if we're going to really do something they ought to put that stuff out bigger for people to see it I had to put my bifocals on to see it
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] that's hard when you're in a grocery store and you're short anyway you have to get enough nerve to ask somebody to take something off the top shelf you haven't got enough nerve to say well put it back it's not recyclable
[speaker001:] yeah I I'd heard something stranger talk about bottles the other day on uh on the radio station I think it's K L T Y they were talking about the I think it's in Canada they're using oh recyclable milk jugs plastic milk jugs
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] as a a reinforcement for roads for road repairs
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] and apparently they they don't break down very easily and
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] they don't expand or or contract when the weather changes and this is kind of an unusual use for that type of thing
[speaker002:] well you know they're along that same line they said they were using um what is oh I know it was toilets smashing the m up because they're that stuff there is great for in road work
[speaker001:] uh-huh huh
[speaker002:] and I thought well that's good and then I saw recycling on tires between uh well hoses were being used
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh uh soaker hoses made out of old tires what else something else was made out of old tires I was trying to remember what it was
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] oh I can't think of it now but I was I was trying to get my uh kids you know to see different things that we could come up with for recycling purposes
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and just anything to you know recycle rather than keep throwing it away but my biggest problem is I take the bags out of the store buy the bags to bring them back and then I forget to bring them in the store
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I'm forever going back out to my car to pick up my bags to bring them and take my garbage back out I wish they'd really push this recycling bit because I never realized I really didn't realize how much stuff I actually throw away
[speaker001:] well I think the the more people are aware of it the the more they'll do I think that's just the biggest problem is keeping it in in front of the public so they understand how serious the problem is and how important it is to do that
[speaker002:] you know what I'd like to see a little more I don't have any little tiny kids but if they get the little tiny kids saving it now
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] in five years when they get bigger it'll work a little bit more too
[speaker001:] true
[speaker002:] because it's we've all got to do it right now I just I really amazed to find out that what is it eighty per cent are filled now in in garbage fills in five years we're supposed to be at max
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't think I can keep my own garbage I mean I might not have that much but I would |
[speaker002:] okay uh do you live in a home
[speaker001:] yes we we it's a house we bought uh about two and a half years ago now
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh did you uh-huh we've we've lived in ours for about six years we had it built actually and um
[speaker001:] uh-huh the first house uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah it it's our first home too
[speaker001:] uh-huh so what do you think of of owning a home as opposed to
[speaker002:] yeah huh
[speaker001:] to renting somebody else's
[speaker002:] um well before we built our home we were managing some apartments that we were living in and um that was quite an experience
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I I much prefer having my own home and and uh just the space and and more privacy
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] do you have is it a fairly large house
[speaker002:] um it's uh oh it's like twenty four fifty square feet it's a two story yeah how about yours
[speaker001:] oh that's a pretty good size yeah uh-huh it's tiny it's not much bigger actually we had an apartment two bedroom apartment that was about as big as this house is so yeah it's uh it's only like eleven hundred square feet
[speaker002:] is it small oh really oh uh-huh do you do you have children
[speaker001:] just one yeah but it it uh all the rooms are small I I mean but it ends up giving us three bedrooms which we wanted yeah and uh use an extra one for an office
[speaker002:] just one huh oh oh uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] which is handy I'd rather have have more rooms and less space in each one I guess rather have lots of rooms and lots lots of space but uh that ends up costing me
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah well like um how does it compare to the ones in your neighborhood
[speaker001:] well they're the it's pretty typical I mean it's it's a very very middle class neighborhood uh lots of lots of young couples with you know usually oh I'm sure that virtually everybody in the neighborhood that's their first homes and uh
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] lots of kids and and stuff and so it it fits well in the neighborhood it's it's certainly not a real upscale neighborhood but on the other hand it's clean and kind of suburban
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] little bit more than I want
[speaker002:] yeah uh
[speaker001:] is is yours also pretty much in conformance with a neighborhood or is it
[speaker002:] um yeah it it it it does it it seems about oh probably average um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that our neighborhood has a just a wide variety of of um people and you know there's older people here and and um people that are about our age we're in our thirties and um there's a lot of kids a lot of kids people the people across the street have eight
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh wow eight kids oh my gosh
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh yeah their home just burned down matter of fact and um last summer and they're just rebuilding and um their house is going to be really big they're
[speaker001:] ooh I'm sure with eight gosh
[speaker002:] yeah they're building it up bigger he's at um uh oh not an obstetrician an an orthopedic surgeon and um so since the house did burn they're they're going it's quite different than it was before and it's it's a lot bigger
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and um but ours is about it's you know it's a nice nice home it's it's definitely not one of the the smaller ones and um it's not the biggest either but
[speaker001:] yeah neighborhoods I mean they'll they'll they'll tend to to be real tight about that uh especially newer neighborhoods my my brother just built a new house uh um he he lives in Wichita Kansas and the um uh the neighborhood actually fought him on it because he he was um the house was gonna cost less to build than any other house in the neighborhood
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] now that's because he was he's doing a lot of it himself and you know for example landscaping and and lots of the other stuff and his house actually ends up being nicer than lots of other in the neighborhood but but they were they were pretty touchy on it he was a little surprised
[speaker002:] yeah yeah you you know that's interesting you say that because we do have we have those architectural codes here and when we um put our house in um they wanted us to have there was one
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] we have part siding it on on the two story part and then on the back and they there was one side where our chimney was and just the chimney was gonna be brick and they wanted us to have more brick so we ended up having to go halfway up
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] which it does look nicer and you know we would have liked to have had all brick but of course at that point we couldn't afford it and but it's funny that you'd say that because there were homes in here that didn't have any brick at all so it's kind of like they were
[speaker001:] right kind of depends on when they get in you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and I and so it was kind of like it's they ours is the last street that they built on so the houses actually on our street are a little bit they've kind of gone a little bit nicer
[speaker001:] um-hum oh they have it's got yeah yeah oh
[speaker002:] yeah I mean just they you know it's like the second phase and and so they've kind of changed the the codes a little bit and so that's kind of why I guess they stuck us with more brick when there were other homes that didn't have any and
[speaker001:] uh-huh hum well my see my sister kind of got in the opposite end of that because they they moved into a neighborhood and bought a a real nice stone house down in in South Austin and um
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and what the builder apparently plans to do is they they do phase one and they they kind of give it a very upscale and and very tightly controlled um codes and and and stuff and then they come back in and and and then they sell |
[speaker001:] All right.
[speaker002:] Have you ever been drug tested?
[speaker001:] Um, that's a good question. Um,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I had a job I had to go get a blood test for.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um,
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] and, and they did a full blood screen [NOISE] on me, but they didn't call that a drug test. So tha-, I think they checked for drugs. They just don't [NOISE] tell you they did.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] I had, I've had, uh, [NOISE] [faint] two or three drug tests that I had to get before I could start working at a job [NOISE]
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, different jobs. I had one at T I and then one at another engineering company. And, really, I mean, I don't mind them. I don't do drugs anyway. I guess if I did, maybe I would but, [breathing] um, I don't know. I know a girl that, she's a nurse, and they get drug tested randomly. I've,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] never been randomly [NOISE] drug tested. But that would probably bother me to wake up [NOISE] one day and find out halfway through the day that you're going to be drug tested and you didn't know about it.
[speaker001:] Yeah [pause] [NOISE]. Well, I guess it depends on if you got something to worry about [throat clearing].
[speaker002:] Yeah. I guess so. [breathing] [Exhales deeply while saying the first I guess so] [breathing] I guess so [pause]. Do you think that it's right?
[speaker001:] Well, I, I, I come from kind of a biased opinion because I'm a, a therapist and a drug and alcohol counselor.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I've done employee assistant work and I, I know the kind of cost businesses go through in terms of accidents,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] on the job that are specifically drug and alcohol [NOISE] related,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and it's like in the billions of dollars every year. Um, and th-, the only way that they can prevent that is, [NOISE] is, you know, making sure that the employees are drug and alcohol free.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] And, you know, the, the problem in the work place is that, that people are, like if your boss is your drinking buddy or whatever, I mean, you can come to, come to work drunk and get in an accident and he'll cover up for you and,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] nobody knows about it, but c-, you know, ends up costing the company lots and lots of money.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] I believe,
[speaker001:] you know,
[speaker002:] it's right,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] especially for certain jobs. I think anyone in a, in a public job like bus drivers, and cab drivers, and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] police officers, and [NOISE] things like that, I think they should be
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] randomly drug tested. I believe,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] full force in that. I don't know that I believe every secretary in every company needs to be.
[speaker001:] True.
[speaker002:] You know, secretaries aren't, aren't really going to cost the company that much money if they fall face forward in their typewriter or something. So, [LAUGHTER] I don't know. I, I'm kind of biased, too, because I don't do drugs {C and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so, } I really don't care one way or another if anybody wants to pull me up tomorrow and test me.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Because I have nothing to worry about. So, I guess that's kind of biased.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, there, it's, I, I think one of the problems with it is it affects a lot of other folks on the job
[speaker002:] Yeah. It does.
[speaker001:] if somebody else is impaired. Because, generally you know it. Uh, you find out one way or another if somebody's got a problem on the job.
[speaker002:] Yeah. That's true.
[speaker001:] And if, e-, even if, like you say, even if it's just the secretary, if her work or abilities start affecting her co-workers
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] then it, it's still a problem.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] But, what do you do about,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] the occasional user that may have gone to a party three days before and, you know, it's, it's been the whole weekend since they've done anything and they happen to be tested Monday morning and they could be fired for that? [pause] You know, that, that's kind of unfair, also.
[speaker001:] Well, yeah. I guess it comes with the turf.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I guess so. I guess if you're going to do it you need to suffer the consequences [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah. Man. And, in terms [NOISE] of drugs, they're illegal. So you're,
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] you're breaking the law anyway.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] Probably the, the biggest problem with those is they don't do a real good job of, of assessing for alcohol.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] And that's probably the biggest problem there is [throat clearing].
[speaker002:] Yeah. I think so, more than drugs [throat clearing]. And I know a lot of companies that will [NOISE] put you in an alcohol rehabilitation before they would put you in a drug rehab.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] They would pay for an alcohol
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but they don't always pay for drug rehabilitation.
[speaker001:] Well, I guess that's one of the positive things that ha-, have come out of it, some of the employee assistance program. If you do test positive [NOISE] for something
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] they will give you an op-, o-, opportunity to go get your life straight rather than to lose your job. *you're -] your
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] And I,
[speaker002:] I,
[speaker001:] th-,
[speaker002:] think that's fair.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think the benef-, the company benefits in the long run.
[speaker002:] Yeah [pause]. That's true [pause]. That's about all I have,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] to say [NOISE] on it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] What, what kind of testing do they do when you went?
[speaker002:] Uh, it's a urine test.
[speaker001:] Urine screen.
[speaker002:] And,
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] they, uh, it was really very official. You have to go in a room solely by yourself, sign papers that say you were totally alone, sign papers that [NOISE] say this is yours,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] and, and you have to seal the bottle yourself and label it yourself and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] all of that. So that they're sure that you haven't borrowed anybody's, I guess, or something.
[speaker001:] Well, that happens.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I know,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I ca-, it's hard to believe,
[speaker001:] It happens a lot.
[speaker002:] but I guess it does [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] There, there are people that n-, pay other people to [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] I know. I'm amazed,
[speaker001:] to help them out.
[speaker002:] at the things people,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] will do.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It is amazing. I guess there are people that do that. And they are, those are expensive tests. I'm,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] glad I never had to pay for one.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It depends r-, r-, really on how, how strong a test it is. They've got different degrees,
[speaker002:] Yeah. I guess so.
[speaker001:] as far as, as how far back they can check. They got some unusual things besides blood and urine tests. They've some companies that are doing, uh, hair tests.
[speaker002:] Oh, really?
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, that, they'll pull out one of your hairs and they can apparently test, um, [NOISE] back a certain period of time.
[speaker002:] How weird. I didn't [NOISE] know that.
[speaker001:] Because some of the, the residue ends up in your hair follicles, you know, it's kind of,
[speaker002:] Oh, that's weird.
[speaker001:] Hair follicles, I guess, are just dead protein and they,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] And it, it's apparently al-, almost like a, a calendar. They, they've got it pretty precise now. They can go back and look at, in terms of growth in a, in a hair, when you used and, and that type of thing.
[speaker002:] That's wild.
[speaker001:] So [whispering],
[speaker002:] It's amazing the things [NOISE] they can find out from different things [NOISE] on your body.
[speaker001:] Yeah [NOISE]. So, I guess if they perfect that is not quite as cumbersome as having to go fill a bottle or
[speaker002:] Yeah. That's true [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] give blood or something like that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's true. I'm glad I never had to do it by giving blood. [NOISE] I can't stand the thought of giving blood.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I can't even do it for Wadley, even though it's a good cause [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Pause] Well, I enjoyed talking to you.
[speaker001:] Well, I did, too.
[speaker002:] Thank you.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] Okay, cars, you, you maybe this is a fantasy we can to talk about any kind of car,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] we want here [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I want a Rolls Royce and a Cadillac [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Hey, that sounds like a great deal to me [LAUGHTER]. You have great aspirations [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, let's see I, we just bought, uh, a seventy-three Mercedes that we have restored
[speaker001:] Oh, that's great. I'm,
[speaker002:] and it,
[speaker001:] I'm a hobbyist too, I like to work on cars too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it has really been a lot of fun. Uh, we found some guys that actually, you know, worked for a Mercedes dealership and, uh, they also repair them for other the people on their off time
[speaker001:] Oh, that's good.
[speaker002:] so have, we, we have redone that thing from stem to stern, I mean inside, outside, you know, we've redone the body, repainted it, detailed it, so, you know, I really haven't thought much past that [LAUGHTER] it seems like, you know, I don't know if I'll ever want another new car again,
[speaker001:] Was you, why they, they didn't,
[speaker002:] you know.
[speaker001:] say buy it they didn't necessarily say buy it new they just said,
[speaker002:] Maybe not.
[speaker001:] what would you buy, you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's true. I, I don't know it just seems like, uh, you know, for what we've put into it I feel like that's something that might retain it's value a little bit more,
[speaker001:] Oh, sure,
[speaker002:] than, you know,
[speaker001:] a restored,
[speaker002:] yeah, yeah, yeah,
[speaker001:] vehicle is, is great,
[speaker002:] yeah,
[speaker001:] I think,
[speaker002:] yeah,
[speaker001:] certainly if it's an old Mercedes will be good.
[speaker002:] right, we, the one thing that, uh, we did decide as, it's, it's, we wanted it to be as authentic as possible but we did break down and put a C D player in it,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, that's great.
[speaker002:] that's not quite authentic, but at any rate that, that was one thing that I, one of the features that I did want, I'd passed up on one and put a sunroof in it,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, you all,
[speaker002:] I had to stop there.
[speaker001:] done a lot more, when I talk about working on cars I sure don't do that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, of course, we do it ourselves but,
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] like I said, we were just lucky to find these guys that do it, you know, they're, they just weren't really expensive,
[speaker001:] Oh, that is good,
[speaker002:] and, uh, yeah, you know,
[speaker001:] acknowledgeable people.
[speaker002:] right, and they work on it, so, the things that can be done here they just come here to our home and, and work on it or work on it, so,
[speaker001:] That's amazing.
[speaker002:] yeah, it's, you know, it's really, it's really been nice. We, uh,
[speaker001:] I, I do all my own work, uh, so, I, I have Chevies,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] mostly, well,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that's all I've got right now
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I've got three Chevy V Eights. I'm, uh, I'm, uh, a Chevy, I'm an American car person,
[speaker002:] You're an American car person.
[speaker001:] but I do like Mercedes.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, I, I have always had an American, American car and, uh, I had a real, real bad experience with the Cougar that I had, it was an eighty-two Cougar,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh, I don't know, I think it just soured me on it for some reason because I had trouble with it starting, the engine blew up [LAUGHTER] in it, I had to replace the engine when it was only two years old so,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, I, I thought what the heck, you know, we'll try something different so.
[speaker001:] Well, I'm not a Ford person and never have been as a kid,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, uh, I do like the V Eight engines and I think the, I went to the auto show with my daughter recently,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] down in Dallas and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, to me the American cars are far superior to the Japanese in styling, engines,
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] right now, I mean,
[speaker002:] Yeah, right,
[speaker001:] I'm not saying that they were,
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] a couple of years ago.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I would that that there's, I see a marked improvement,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, as far as, uh, what I've heard about performance and such, you know, so, uh, uh, hopefully it'll stay that way, I mean, you know, I'd, I'd, I would hate to see the American car industry suffering more than it already has
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, even though right now I'm not driving an American car, but, uh, I think,
[speaker001:] I, uh, you know, they said, they said what do we want to buy, I, I'm, uh, seri-, not seriously thinking but I, I would like to,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] put it in that category, uh, by a Cadillac but I wouldn't,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] buy a new one and, you know, of course, if I had the money I'd be happy to by a new one,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] but, uh, I do look for a one year old vehicle,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] with twenty some odd miles or whatever twenty thousand miles,
[speaker002:] Yeah, twenty thousand, yeah,
[speaker001:] whatever.
[speaker002:] yeah. Well, that's what my parents are avid Cadillac freaks. They had, uh, and I think my, my mother drives the SeVille now that's, uh, I guess it's a couple of years old, and, uh, she had a SeVille before that that had the odd backs that was,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, I remember those.
[speaker002:] that was so, uh, yeah, yeah, and she, it final just wore out they had, they had purchased it, I don't, can't remember how many years they had that car, but she loved the styling of it.
[speaker001:] That she may want to save, if she, she doesn't have it anymore.
[speaker002:] No, she sold it and she,
[speaker001:] That, since they don't make them anymore,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] she, that could be turned into a classic,
[speaker002:] I know.
[speaker001:] in, in ten, fifteen years, uh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, she kept telling herself that and it's sort of a bone of contention between she and my dad because my dad said well, just let me take it down there and find out what's wrong with it, I mean he came back with a new car [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] No, he wanted new one, yeah, right, yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think he had an ulterior motive he could just see, you know, dollar signs starting to flip by as far as repairs went but, uh, they, they really are nice cars, there, there,
[speaker001:] I'm still a full size person,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and I like a full size Cadillac, I, I want one of those, I think they are, I don't know, a classic but they're,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] certainly not, they haven't changed in about, uh, twenty years, and,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] and they'll eventually phase them out and I sure would like one ever those, uh, uh, within the next five years,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] or so.
[speaker002:] it seems funny you how within the last couple of years cars have gotten bigger again, you know,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] they had, they've scaled everything down so much and, uh, I have, I don't, I've never owned a really large car, I don't know, I think that Cougar was the biggest thing I ever had and,
[speaker001:] Well, even the Japanese cars are bigger too but, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] I've never had a Jap-,
[speaker002:] now the Lexus are very nice looking cars,
[speaker001:] I've never had,
[speaker002:] you know.
[speaker001:] a Japanese car, I, I've had friends who had them,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I think they're a lot over ra-, and they're is just no styling to them, you can't tell one Japanese car from the other,
[speaker002:] That's true,
[speaker001:] because they all a like,
[speaker002:] that's true.
[speaker001:] you know, I don't mean that as a joke, I mean,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] they really all look a like,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and the I don't have any idea what, which car it is,
[speaker002:] What is what, yeah.
[speaker001:] until I look at it to see what it is,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I think they have not, uh, lead the field in styling, they do have sports cars
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but the price is way more, you can get a Cadillac for,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the same price as you can get a small Japanese,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] car, it's ridiculous now.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I know that, uh, I've, I've sort of always felt like with Buicks it seems like all Buicks to me look alike [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, I guess it just, uh, it seems to me they're all the same shape. I have a very good friend that has a Buick Regal and she, she's had, she's got way offer a hundred thousand miles on it and that's what she's going to buy again and I'm like, oh, please, it looks exactly the same as this old one [LAUGHTER] that you've got and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] I suppose.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, if, if you're interested you ought to go to the next auto show. I, I look at the Cadillacs and boy there were some Cadillacs that I didn't even realize they made but they were,
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] just styled so differently,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] they were standard Cadillacs but they really looked beautiful.
[speaker002:] Are they still, are what they're, what they have out for like the next year, is everything still pretty square, it seems like the Cadillacs is one of the few makers that are still making really, I, I can't think of a car that they make are the than maybe the Alliance.
[speaker001:] Oh, no, they have, they have convertibles now in the Cadillac,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] field and they have that new, uh, it's not the big, uh, Fleetwood, the one I want,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] which is been the same in the last twenty years,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] there's another one that has came out in the last two year, not the Seville, the Seville is totally different,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] now at the auto show they had fantastic looking cars.
[speaker002:] Now when, when was this, was this recently?
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, it was a month or so ago.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, because I have,
[speaker001:] Well, they have it every year.
[speaker002:] Yeah, usually when I see the new cars it's during the fair when I go to the auto building at the State Fair and that's usually when I see anything,
[speaker001:] Right,
[speaker002:] you know.
[speaker001:] now this was, uh, in it was downtown in the, uh, Convention Center and,
[speaker002:] Oh, I see.
[speaker001:] they had all the cars they had Japanese and German cars,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] they had the full range, and they had some, they had some new cars that weren't even out they had, uh, a new Chevy Suburban,
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] truck, you know, that big, big one that was, uh, they didn't have a price on it,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] nor did they know had a it would cost, it had a microwave in it and everything,
[speaker002:] Oh, my word.
[speaker001:] it was, they had several futuristic cars.
[speaker002:] That's wild,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, you hear about things like that and you think that can't possibly be done, I mean, it just,
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] that's just too weird.
[speaker001:] And I like engines they had a lot of broken down engin-,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] not broken down, {E I mean, you know, cut, } uh,
[speaker002:] Right,
[speaker001:] displayed engines, you know.
[speaker002:] uh-huh, so you could tell, see the inside of them or whatever.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but, uh, that, that sold me in buying a new car, you know, I mean, certainly interested in buying a new car but again the, yeah, the American cars were for superior in styling and,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah,
[speaker001:] new engines,
[speaker002:] well, maybe,
[speaker001:] and, uh,
[speaker002:] somebody's finally woken up, you know.
[speaker001:] I thing so, because they've been making these four cylinder and six cylinder engines for a while * spelling "think"? and,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think that, I, I would definitely buy, again there's the question are we in the market, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and I could buy anything, you know.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah, you know, if I could fine, * spelling "find"? I, I was really crazy about Jags for a while and the convertible, had a is it X J S or something like that, and I,
[speaker001:] Yeah, Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, thought that's a dream car, and, and you really would have to be a dream car because the repair bills are supposedly just constant, you know.
[speaker001:] Well, I haven't work on them myself so I don't, that, you know, my cars don't go to the shop, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] so, uh,
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] I am the kind of engineer and I've always done it myself and, uh
[speaker002:] Well, that's good that you can.
[speaker001:] I've got three of them and, uh, I can't remember one, I think I had one someone welded a muffler on for me,
[speaker002:] Oh, really, that,
[speaker001:] in a years time,
[speaker002:] oh, gosh, that's great.
[speaker001:] I think that's the only thing of the three vehicles that I've in it just the welding on like I said I don't do that you know.
[speaker002:] I think it takes a talent to do that, you know, my, my husband is, uh, engineer but he cannot, I mean, or maybe he's just doesn't want to mess with it [LAUGHTER] that's might be part of it, but, uh, you know, we just, I just say forget it we'll just take it in,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and get it taken care it. He drives,
[speaker001:] I, I,
[speaker002:] drives a Honda.
[speaker001:] noticed that when I was a kid, uh, I was wasn't a mechanical engineer but I worked my way through college as a mechanic so,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh,
[speaker001:] I learned early from,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] fifteen on,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and dropped it for a long time when,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] when after I got out of college and,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] then picked it up again later on and now again, I've got three vehicles and I don't, I never get in them and just go to the shop at you will, you know.
[speaker002:] Well, that's to, that's one thing that when you would consider, see when I go out to think about a new car or buy another car, I don't think about, well, is this engine that I can work on [LAUGHTER] or that, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] my husband can work on or whatever, you know so, you're, you're pretty lucky in that respect that,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I'm keeping V eight, V eight Chevy engines,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] because that's what I know,
[speaker002:] That's when you know, yeah.
[speaker001:] and, in fact, I stock the same part, I'm like a little stock, if you,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] brought your Chevy to me I could, I'd probably have some parts,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] for it right now, you knows [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's pretty good, it's really been funny because we have like been you are own contractors kind of with this car and when I say we have redone everything I mean we have done everything,
[speaker001:] Oh, that's great,
[speaker002:] and it's,
[speaker001:] I've always wanted to that too.
[speaker002:] it's really been so interesting the people you meet because, uh, my husband Carl has called all over the country, you know, he's gotten these catalogs try-, it's really more difficult to find these vintage parts when you might think this is for a seventy-three,
[speaker001:] Oh, I can imagination, |
[speaker002:] so uh what do you think about our involvement in the Middle East
[speaker001:] well actually I think it's good I I I hope that we uh uh get a chance to uh promote peace out there uh because I think without peace we're not going to get uh stable oil prices and and uh I'd I'd really like to see stability in in that area because I'm always afraid that's where uh another big war is going to start not that Desert Storm was a small one
[speaker002:] yeah well yeah that's probably true I I suspect that if any world war is come at this point in time they're going to come from there uh I would think anyway I mean it just seems to me that that's that's the most unstable part of the world as far as I can tell
[speaker001:] I saw um just recently where uh uh the US is supposedly going to be uh putting pressure on all the you know the Israelis supposedly to to come to a bargaining table to uh actually I heard that the Israelis were even talking at least mentioned about giving up some of the Golan Heights
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that'd be interesting because I um I actually um um I'm I'm I'm Jewish and I'm actually sort of not not not not not really a Zionist per se you know I'm not
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] but I have a um I have a lot of friends you know who are sort of adamant you know Israel should it's his right and they do whatever they want and I think they've been sort of hard nosed about the entire thing and uh you know in some sense may the moderates may be right they may you know may be it is better if they give up just a little bit just to sort of settle things down
[speaker001:] well uh I guess it's one of those things that uh if it's going to really promote a lasting peace if there is not going to be a peace
[speaker002:] right then then then it then is it worth it at all
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean I I because the way I mean sort of the way to think about it is well they won you know they sort of took over the um they're one of the only countries in in in history that has been told that they have to give back what they took in a war which they didn't start basically so
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] so I don't I don't know how to I don't I don't know what to do about it but um but I think that that you know in general the region is really in bad shape
[speaker001:] do you think the US is going to wind up keeping uh military bases over there
[speaker002:] um probably oh isn't isn't there a plan now to make a command center there or something
[speaker001:] I I haven't heard that I I watch CNN every once in a while but I I haven't specifically heard anything about that
[speaker002:] I just heard something about moving recently about moving um there there there's some central command post in Tampa I think they now want to move to somewhere in the Middle East actually there was um a small country or small city I think well you know not actually in Saudi Arabia or or anything but a little bit off to the um east of it I think and I they want to keep something over there so that they don't have to um I guess it's I guess it's so that so they don't have to move troops out so quickly or something I'm not quite sure exactly why they want to do it but they want to keep some sort of central command post there
[speaker001:] what I thought was interesting is that uh apparently the formal cease fire has not actually been signed yet
[speaker002:] that's true yeah
[speaker001:] and uh well I guess there's still the possibility that uh hostilities with uh US troops could still break out
[speaker002:] yeah that they they they claim that's why we're still there I mean you know why only you note it's only only a small number of people have actually come back yet
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but I think that's actually the scariest part because when in the way what what's happening in Iraq right now you know just in itself it it it being so crazy there I have no idea what I mean what do you know just to imagine that one day they're going to turn around and someone's going to say we don't like you and just start attacking again and it's going to be worse I don't know um
[speaker001:] do you have relatives over in Israel
[speaker002:] no I don't I have I I have some friends in Israel and and coincidently actually my wife is Syrian um
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] yeah so I am we are sort of we are the Middle East peace talks at home um and uh pardon me I'm just sort of putting away some things from dinner now in the background but we um we
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] she has sort of friends and family in Saudi Arabia actually well friends in Saudi Arabia and um I have some friends in Israel and we we talk a bit about it but we try and keep it out of out of the home life
[speaker001:] do you uh does does she ever want to go back to Syria
[speaker002:] no she was she's actually um I think it's um for her not not really relevant because she was she's second generation American actually
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] her parents who were born here would like to go see it though I think they would like to go to Syria but but they recognize that Syria's not the place that one wants to visit
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] right about now
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] you know just something about the place makes it not not quite enjoyable
[speaker001:] do you ever want to go over to Israel
[speaker002:] yeah I I'd actually been there um I was there a couple years ago when it wasn't as you know sort of dangerous to be out there I guess
[speaker001:] oh okay yeah
[speaker002:] and I do I do I do like it actually um I would never live there I think I'm too Americanized and um sort of have too much you know too much invested in sort of the the easy life but I do like the food
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] if that if so if that if if that amounts for anything
[speaker001:] okay well who you know do you have uh a lot of Kosher foods there at your house
[speaker002:] yeah actually my house is Kosher but um it turns out that one one of the strangest things about about Israel is that no um most folks don't realize that but all the food that people think of as sort of you know Jewish food and so forth um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you know um in general really isn't the food that is eaten in Israel so you you I'm sure you probably typically think of it like bagels right you know bagels and lox
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] turns out you don't you don't you don't really find bagels in Israel what you find is sort of Middle Eastern foods the same foods that you find in um Syria and Egypt and everything else you find things called have you ever had those
[speaker001:] yeah no no no uh kishkes or knishes or
[speaker002:] which is oh oh knishes no you don't you you you don't see a lot of that that's basically Eastern European Jewish food
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] it's it's very different I'm I I was actually very amazed when I sort of figured this out for myself that everything I grew up with really wasn't Israeli it was more Jewish you know
[speaker001:] I got you
[speaker002:] it it it it is very strange um
[speaker001:] yeah still get your Passover Matzi and all that right
[speaker002:] that that starts tomorrow night that's what I'm making that's what I'm d oing now I'm making dinner
[speaker001:] oh really I dated uh I dated a nice Jewish girl for many years up in Chicago and I was the only Goyim at at all the you know Seder dinners and everything and I used to have to go with rolls of not pocketful of change to buy all this bread the kids would sell me
[speaker002:] ought to buy the bread from that's great well you've you've you've really got a handle on this stuff I've noticed you
[speaker001:] not not
[speaker002:] got got the vocabulary down and everything
[speaker001:] yeah not uh just just enough to get by
[speaker002:] that that that's actually real good yeah we um we actually we have the reverse situation turns out that um um most of my friends aren't Jewish and and and my wife's not but I
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] but I um I sort of you know do a lot of these things so so that um Seder's you know our our first Seder is tomorrow night and this is a rare exception there are going to be sixteen people at my house tomorrow night which and five of them will be Jewish
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] two two years ago we had a Seder we had sixteen people each night sixteen seems the magic number for us
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] and I was the only Jew both nights
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] so so which to me is wonderful because it means that people who never would get these to see this um so get to see it and my view is Passover is should sort of be in in in in in in my mind Passover is sort of a generic holiday anyway because it it sort of predates Christ
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] well they had the matter of fact I just watched uh Charles Heston this uh this weekend in the Ten Commandments
[speaker002:] oh yeah I caught the end of that
[speaker001:] did you
[speaker002:] yeah every year I try and catch that but yeah that's what always amazes me actually is that um is that you know my my wife and I always sort of bring this up about she her her being Syrian you know and my being Jewish and all we look alike we act alike we sound alike well not totally alike but you know um um it's amazing to think that people in the Middle East sort of all hate each other
[speaker001:] well that's uh to me it's it's really um I I I guess I guess I can intellectually uh kind of come to grips with all of that but you know emotionally I have a real difficult time believing that uh that that people that believe in God and and love not war and to forgive can't get together
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know I mean I I know that the problems are so deep but I mean even even within the Muslim uh religions different sects they can't get together
[speaker002:] right that that's actually the part that that that I find really strange I mean I I I sort of understand somewhat I mean I I knowing the history I understand that the hatred of the Muslims for you know the Israelis or whatever and I can sort of handle I can sort of handle that and the Palestinians but I sort of think about the Muslims sort of running around having jihads against themselves
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know I mean and and that seems really weird
[speaker001:] or the uh the the you know the Catholics and the Protestants up in Ireland
[speaker002:] right exactly
[speaker001:] you know I mean I I
[speaker002:] same same thing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't I'll I'll I'll never understand it uh my view is look what'd you ever do to me
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] didn't hurt me you know at at at the moment so um and and I I don't know there's a there's something about there's a poem somewhere I don't know if you've ever seen it or not um um Everything I Ever Wanted to Know I Learned in Kindergarten have you ever seen this and it talks about how you know if we could just all get together you know when we were young everything was great because we you know just sort of all went to class together and in the middle you know we all had snack time together and then we all took naps and we all held hands and hugged
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know and that's and that's and that's what that's what kindergarten was like and wouldn't it be nice if if we could solve all our problems by just sort of getting together and everyone in the world sat down and and took a nap together woke up and had snack time you know and then hugged each other as as we left
[speaker001:] it sounds like a it sounds like a John Lennon uh type
[speaker002:] yeah I wonder if he secretly did that
[speaker001:] gosh |
[speaker001:] do regular exercise
[speaker002:] since I was just feeling extremely guilty about this it's a timely question um I do not exercise enough I have um I'm overweight and uh under under exercised and um can I can tell it affects me and I don't know why I can't make myself do it
[speaker001:] have you have you tried uh you know beginning something and it hasn't worked so you've stopped after a while or just try to get
[speaker002:] well I used to I used to do more things uh currently I've just gotten a they're a really nice tape Angela Lansbury has done and it's very mild it's mostly stretching but I've I've more mornings than not I will do at least ten minutes with her which is a good starter then then there's a twenty minute part afterwards that I tell myself every day when I get back I have a erratic schedule you know and when I come back in I'll do the twenty minutes uh-huh but anyway uh
[speaker001:] well that's good I mean at least you've given some time to it every day it's not as if you're not doing anything
[speaker002:] it's some some a little something yes but uh I really enjoy walking and somehow I'll do it for a while maybe a month or two months and you know walk two miles a day or something and then and then quit I
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it's hard hard to schedule in what about you
[speaker001:] it is you know I think the problem for me has always been trying to find a time of day that's going to work um
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] I think probably the best way to get it done is to do it in the morning but I'm not a morning person
[speaker002:] um-hum um
[speaker001:] and if I try to wait till the end of the day when I think I have a little bit more time I don't always have the energy level
[speaker002:] yeah that's hard isn't it uh that that four to six o'clock I see a lot of people out walking and I just think oh I'm just going to go and you know just sit
[speaker001:] yeah you get home and you start fixing dinner or whatever
[speaker002:] um yeah
[speaker001:] um I've tried to do a combination of stretching and and strengthening because my problem has been keeping strong I think enough I I tend if I don't I tend to have over stretched muscles in fact it's called a hypomobility
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but if I don't keep strong enough I can pull a muscle more easily say if I go on vacation
[speaker002:] oh I see
[speaker001:] uh and pick up some heavy suitcases it might stretch a muscle that would not have felt injured if I had kept the muscle strong enough to really support the joints so
[speaker002:] um yeah
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and so do you do it
[speaker001:] that's well you know tomorrow night there's a sale at one of the shopping centers close by on barbells well
[speaker002:] uh-huh and you're thinking about getting them
[speaker001:] I'm definitely going to because I work at a hospital where there is a physical therapy department and I've used their barbells for a long while but I know I need to get more regular and do it at home so if I
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] purchase my own I think I'm more inclined to do so and they're a good price
[speaker002:] yeah that it is and it is hard to do I mean it is easier to do at home even the walking which I can do right here the idea of getting of getting in a car to drive to a a place which a number of my friends keep suggesting just exhausts me because I drive so much in my job and I just am not going to get back in the car to drive somewhere you know and there are all these people there and you have to put on these clothes and and I uh so I'd much rather do it here now my daughter has a
[speaker001:] see I can't do that yeah and that's that's exactly the same with me
[speaker002:] a bike uh but it's a real bike and she cycles and she can put it on a thing but you have to be the right size to fit that
[speaker001:] oh so you've thought about that as well a bike exercise
[speaker002:] I've thought I've thought about doing that uh this tape is nice walking as I say is one that I really like I'm concerned about flexibility I'm I'm almost fifty and and I can you know begin to feel a little of that
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] going and and I want to be able to turn around and see if the you know uh when I'm driving uh not just look in the rear view mirror but easily turn around and go up steps and all that without huffing and puffing
[speaker001:] well right feel it in your neck in other words
[speaker002:] yes yeah yeah my legs
[speaker001:] uh-huh it's interesting some people choose to go to classes because they feel that that will maintain their motivation they've either invested the money in it or there're people there that expect them or
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] whatever but I think it's just the opposite with me I I need to have the flexibility to do it on my own time and yet I'm not sure
[speaker002:] well there is there is that that is a plus and I did do that I used to do it and and it and it is a plus and I almost took Tai Che that's something that's interested me for a long time and I
[speaker001:] it is beautiful um-hum
[speaker002:] oh uh it is beautiful and it seems like it it combines a lot of things so so you know sort of a a mental attitude as well as the physical but um
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] the the the guy insisted that you would have to come everytime he and I thought well this is really good because he's you know dedicated and you have to do these things but the first three Saturdays uh I was doing trainings I mean you know it's it was on Saturday mornings and already they you know I I already couldn't do it so I was like oh okay well that's
[speaker001:] oh jobs uh-huh needs to be more flexible for your schedule
[speaker002:] yeah that's the problem and he just says has to be you know I've got a class opening at nine thirty on Saturday and you can every once in a while go to a different class but you that's when you're supposed to come
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and actually I hadn't been doing any Saturday trainings and then all of a sudden right when the class opened
[speaker001:] I'm
[speaker002:] you know so |
[speaker001:] uh what is what is your practice as far as budgeting do you manage the money
[speaker002:] well I we talk about it but I'm usually the one that sits down and puts the pencil to the paper and and tries to somehow make the ends meet which uh
[speaker001:] oh I see that's how kind I am too are you married you are I think the women for the most part end up managing the money my husband always says he earns it and I have to spend only what he earns it
[speaker002:] um yes yeah I don't mind the spending it's just that I trying to trying to get what you need out of out of what you have that seems to be our challenge so
[speaker001:] well I don't work outside of the home and he always threatens that when I spend more than what's coming in I have to go back to work so I I manage
[speaker002:] I see well I'm I'm at home also so it does get rather interesting trying to survive on one salary but uh
[speaker001:] no do you actually follow a budget
[speaker002:] well we pretty well do um several years we didn't and we found that we just weren't making the most of of what we had and so we we um set aside a certain amount each week that goes for things that have to be paid for you know just our bills and then what's left we divvy up we try to save a little bit although we're not always successful and then the rest of it just goes for normal weekly needs
[speaker001:] well that's pretty much the way we do um or we did in the past I would say what right at this point our children are grown and so I really don't have the obligations there anymore that we have to balance to
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] you know get things together for them and I really just keep very good records and most of our expenses are fairly the same every month with the exception of utilities and things like that and I try to keep my MasterCards and things paid currently
[speaker002:] right uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I don't always succeed at that I usually keep one with a low interest rate and I'd put things on there that I think I'm not gonna give to
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and then I have another one but for the most part our mortgage and our utilities at this point we're in a new home and uh they take a pretty big chunk compared to what they used to
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so I'm still getting used to that but we make sure that we just do not buy unless we really can see how we're going to pay for it ahead
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and we do not buy used ah new cars uh do you get into the car
[speaker002:] well we had new cars um always until about four years ago my husband um owned his own company and it went under and so we could no longer afford that monthly payment and now it's just seems just such a large amount of money to spend that that we do have a used car well he has a company car also but for our personal car we have a used car um do you think that it's wiser to buy used
[speaker001:] we do for us very much so in fact we are in a position that most of our friends why wonder why we just don't go to a new car you know whatever and I said
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] look you guys are all into car payments we haven't had car payments for so many years I love it this way and recently we just created the laugh among everyone because we had a car that we really liked and it has eighty two thousand miles on it and we were kept saying boy wouldn't it be great if we could find another one just like it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] believe it or not we did we found one one newer the worst part is it's the same color
[speaker002:] oh no oh wow
[speaker001:] and so everybody's saying you're kidding you have two cars the same and I said you know how when you have a bad one you say never again
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] I said well we had one and we found one with just seventeen thousand miles on it and it's an eighty five
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] and so I said hey this was a cinch we've paid for the car and we still know now that we have this car to put all the miles on
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] this is for all the long running back and forth on you know interstate driving and things and we intend to replace our other one with a much newer car in the next couple of years or next year probably
[speaker002:] do you um buy from dealers or from individuals
[speaker001:] generally from dealers and uh it depends because I don't like to sell what we're trading in to an individual
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] uh unless we we have done that when we had a really good one that we wanted to sell you know uh we were going up to a larger one
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but we have found that by trading in and going through a dealer and we always make a deal I mean we have walked out of more dealerships saying don't bring us the manager and all of that unless you wanna bring him right away you're gonna get one shot at us
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] we will you know and they say well you're kidding you know I no this is the price we're going to give you out the door we don't wanna hear about taxes |
[speaker001:] okay do you have a boat
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] do you like to boat oh yeah
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah I went and saw boat today I about flipped over it
[speaker001:] what kind
[speaker002:] I'm not I'm not sure what kind it was I saw it just sitting on the side of the road
[speaker001:] oh a ski boat though
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah no doubt about it
[speaker001:] we have a seventeen foot invader
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah
[speaker001:] and yeah it's we've only had it a couple of years but it's so much better than the other boat we had a an older trihold that was just horrible because I mean God you felt every wave but the uh the invader is really neat I really like it it's got the bow up and the bow down and all that stuff so it's kind of fun
[speaker002:] that sounds neat
[speaker001:] yeah so we ski every weekend
[speaker002:] well at least you have weekends off
[speaker001:] yeah we didn't I think I'd go nuts
[speaker002:] oh I know I know I don't have that luxury yet
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] yeah I am in the restaurant business I run restaurants and uh didn't really don't really have that time off yet so
[speaker001:] oh yeah that would be difficult where did you see the boat
[speaker002:] it was out out in out in Garland
[speaker001:] oh well there's been one sitting up in Addison for the last few days that's really neat it's a Baja but it's huge I think it'd be more boat than I'd want right now
[speaker002:] yeah this one's big too
[speaker001:] huh well eventually my husband thinks that we are going to sell everything that we own and live on a boat in the Caribbean
[speaker002:] oh that'd be great
[speaker001:] yeah I think we'd kill each other
[speaker002:] I think I could probably handle that
[speaker001:] well I think I could for awhile I do not know but yeah
[speaker002:] for awhile
[speaker001:] but I'd I mean I'd have to get away from him eventually but another friend of mine has said that he and his wife are going to do that and he said that they're just planning to take their bikes and then go into port every once in a while and say see you later and take off and he said that they thought they could keep their sanity that way
[speaker002:] well that'd be great
[speaker001:] yeah I do not know if I could live on a boat
[speaker002:] who cares about sanity though
[speaker001:] well I know what could make you insane floating around in the middle of the Caribbean
[speaker002:] I know it no telephone no fax machines nothing nothing
[speaker001:] exactly well that's another thing good thing about our boat is going out on the weekends at least we are forced to talk to each other and there's nothing to interrupt us and it's just so relaxing
[speaker002:] oh that's true
[speaker001:] so even if we do not ski but now that the water is warm enough we have been skiing a lot and my little seven year nephew is coming next week so I guess I will have to teach him how to ski
[speaker002:] well that's good seven that's about the right age
[speaker001:] yeah I think that's about when I learned
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] do you ski
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] oh yeah do you have your own ski and everything
[speaker002:] yeah I sure do
[speaker001:] oh yeah it's a lot of fun my husband has a wet suit so he can ski pretty much year around if he if he has the guts to but uh it was really neat last weekend we were sitting out in the in the boat and a a a school of shad came bebopping across the water and he threw the line out and caught a fish on the first cast
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yeah that was really neat I had never seen the shad do that so that was pretty cool
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so anyway
[speaker002:] that's kind of different
[speaker001:] yeah I was amazed
[speaker002:] yeah I kind of I kind of enjoyed that boat I looked at today it's nice and clean it wasn't yeah it was not that old
[speaker001:] really did it have a cabin
[speaker002:] no it didn't it's open open up front had a little and it was open in the back too in the back kind of had a little
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] deck in the back of it also
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] yeah it was kind of different I thought
[speaker001:] huh it must've been pretty big
[speaker002:] yeah it was
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] rather large I do not know how big it was or anything I was just looking at it and until I got around to the for sale sign
[speaker001:] how much was it
[speaker002:] uh fourteen thousand
[speaker001:] oh my I wonder how old it was was it very old
[speaker002:] yeah uh pardon me no it couldn't have been that old it's
[speaker001:] huh was it inboard outboard
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you don't know how big the engine was
[speaker002:] no I did not even I did not even look at it I got around the price tag and said okay I said that's enough
[speaker001:] yeah well ours will be paid off in ninety three and I will feel like I hit the lottery then I guess but
[speaker002:] yeah I know it
[speaker001:] it's pretty nice it's nice to have it's a good way to get away Kyle is afraid that he doesn't want me to to pull it by myself yet but the way our drive way is there's like a forty five degree turn so I do not think I could get it out even if I wanted to
[speaker002:] um where do you all where do you all go skiing
[speaker001:] we go to Lewisville and but it's really nice I mean we've talked about getting the the slip so that if after work if I wanted to go out and play around in the boat I would have plenty of time because now it does not get dark until nine o'clock but
[speaker002:] oh I know it
[speaker001:] it's really nice having it in the garage because then if we want to go to Whitney or you know Grapevine or any other place it's just there and we can load up and go
[speaker002:] yeah that's true
[speaker001:] so plus I don't have any idea how much slip rental is it probably probably get a little expensive I would think
[speaker002:] uh somebody was talking about that at one time they were talking about uh was it one hundred fifty a month
[speaker001:] whoa
[speaker002:] something a hundred twenty a hundred twenty a hundred fifty a month oh I know it
[speaker001:] I think I'll keep it in the garage that's outrageous
[speaker002:] well it yeah it is and
[speaker001:] just to have a place to park you boat
[speaker002:] yeah especially on water even
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] with some wood going around it
[speaker001:] that's pretty wild
[speaker002:] yeah ev erybody's got to make a buck though
[speaker001:] oh that's true
[speaker002:] the name of the game I think
[speaker001:] well that's what we were coming back from Arkansas I guess last October and there was a marina for sale and he said now that would be a fun job but yeah I can probably do that for a while
[speaker002:] working around the working around the water and take off on the boat anytime you wanted to
[speaker001:] yeah yeah you know hang out the gone fishing sign
[speaker002:] yeah in it's truest sense right
[speaker001:] really I do not know a lot of people say boats are just a hole in the water that you pour money into but we've been real fortunate we have not had any problems so but Kyle's real good with the maintenance I think that that's real important so fortunately he knows what he is doing there
[speaker002:] well that's good does he know how to work on them or just minor stuff
[speaker001:] well just the minor stuff uh we took it in for its hundred hour check up and all that stuff but you got to do stuff like that to keep the warranties good
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's true
[speaker001:] so that's fine I can live with that
[speaker002:] took took it in and got it got all of its shots right
[speaker001:] yeah it's kind of like our only child now
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] well hopefully someday you will get that dream boat and
[speaker002:] oh I know it or that time off one of the two
[speaker001:] yeah really yeah you kind of need need them to go hand in hand I guess
[speaker002:] yeah it helps it helps
[speaker001:] yeah because I mean I there's times you know even our weekends where we don't have time to go and it's sad because you think God you are paying all that money for the boat and it's just sitting there
[speaker002:] oh I know it
[speaker001:] so but it's well worth it when we do get to go and hopefully it will be good weather this weekend so we can go
[speaker002:] man it's supposed to be
[speaker001:] I hope so well I enjoyed talking to you okay maybe I will get you again sometime all right bye-bye
[speaker002:] myself all right take care bye-bye |
[speaker001:] okay so I think I think what we should talk about is the the war um the war that just went on see I don't agree with it first of all I don't believe in war
[speaker002:] okay um-hum
[speaker001:] and then the United States has this attitude by saying you know thank you for keeping us our freedom and stuff like that and I think it's all independent because it's it has nothing to do with the United States you didn't gain anything from it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and it wasn't our freedom that you were saving it was just the thing the thing that that uh that I saw was okay Iraq wants to raise oil prices Kuwait wants to take Iraq out of the whole system by leaving them independent
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and so when Iraq you know saw this they said let's take over the country which is a good idea
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] right then the United States says okay our our oil prices are going to go up and like for example see okay like Lithuania Lithuania right they declared themselves uh an independent country with a president right
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] Russia goes in there well the main government in Moscow goes in there and they kick everybody's ass and the United States doesn't go in there and say listen they were uh you know named an independent you know state with a president and everything but we're not going to go into your country
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but these countries here which you know are you know like in nineteen eighty four have you ever read that book
[speaker002:] no huh-uh
[speaker001:] okay nineteen eighty four there are like three big continents and uh there's just this area like around Egypt and stuff that everybody's fighting over now the problem is is that nobody's going to invade anybody else's boundaries
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] right like their immediate boundaries like you're not going to go you know it's like the Army's not going to go straight into Russia because there you're you're invading their border right but all the other countries you can fight about
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and so the thing is is that you're wasting so much money to send you know it's like how much money did the US spend when they could have paid so much money for each barrel of oil that was being
[speaker002:] we'll probably never know how much it actually cost
[speaker001:] and you know it's it was uh basically all based on oil because nobody actually like for example if uh let's say if uh you know Brazil took over you know Surinam I don't think anybody would care
[speaker002:] um-hum yep
[speaker001:] you know and uh that's something that that has been you know very because see the thing is is like every time that I see a war I see myself on the front line and on the other side I see myself again and I got to shoot myself you know I got to shoot somebody that's that's got the same family that I do you know the same relationships that I do and just because I was born here I've got to shoot them down
[speaker002:] um-hum oh it's never a pleasant thing that's true
[speaker001:] and uh but at least it was it was over quick and there weren't that many deaths now the only problem is is the aftermath that you're having so many deaths in the border with uh Turkey
[speaker002:] yes that's amazing yes yes that's really unfortunate it really is I don't know if we stopped too soon I don't I don't I really don't know what we need to do about that
[speaker001:] and uh well there's there's something that that the US did right which is say say you know okay let's kick him out of Kuwait which was our basic goal
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh now indirectly let's try to overthrow him
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know and they're not going to do that directly but the thing is is that they they didn't go into into Iraq and say you know because they have the force to go in there and say get out of the country you know you can seek seek asylum here and you can go there but no way are you going to rule ever again
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah um-hum I've been hearing some talk too of trying to bring Hussein up on you know criminal charges I don't know if that will ever happen or not
[speaker001:] well the thing is is that first of all they got to they got they have to get him
[speaker002:] uh-huh which is very difficult to do
[speaker001:] and and there's no way that you can get him unless it's by force
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know and then you can put him on trial
[speaker002:] obviously he's not going to turn himself in
[speaker001:] no no I think I think he'd rather commit suicide than turn himself in because there's I mean there's like it's like there's no hope you know like what Hitler did you know like if you were going to put on trial you get to live the rest of your life but where
[speaker002:] um-hum true yeah
[speaker001:] you know and so um the thing is is that once you've done something wrong which is nationally you know internationally recognized then you're going to try to get out of it and the there's no way you know and especially since he's got inside Iraq for using you know chemical weapons and stuff
[speaker002:] yeah true um-hum
[speaker001:] and you know like he sent planes over to to shoot the people down that were on the border with uh that that were on their way to Turkey
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] he had a couple of them bombarded
[speaker002:] yeah yeah obviously human life means nothing to him
[speaker001:] um-hum but uh you know he's got uh millions of dollars like
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] fifty I think it was like I don't know if it was fifty billion or fifty million which is really doesn't make any difference
[speaker002:] that's true past a point it doesn't make any difference
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah that's really really unfortunate it really is
[speaker001:] and but it's just it's just that uh you know it you know like the we just put our goals in different you know levels is like saying you know it's like yeah sure we need oil you know and we need it desperately
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum yep
[speaker001:] but the other countries that you know that have oil but not as big you know like they say you know like when the prices went up and then they went down when they took that big dip it was because they discovered another big oil well somewhere in Saudi Arabia or something
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum seems like the prices never go down to where they were originally though before the before the increase started
[speaker001:] well the it it's an advantage you know it's like you're saying okay I can bring my prices up to a dollar fifty a gallon
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I'm not going to bring them back down to you know ninety nine cents why because people are willing to pay a dollar fifty a gallon
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] so if I ten leave it at a dollar ten people are still going to pay
[speaker002:] true
[speaker001:] you know I went down forty cents but I went up ten cents
[speaker002:] um-hum yep
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] about the lowest I've seen gasoline in the Dallas area is uh I guess about ninety two point nine now
[speaker001:] ninety eight
[speaker002:] ninety two
[speaker001:] oh God here it's like it's like a dollar five yeah
[speaker002:] oh really well there's still a lot of dollar five places around here but you can find some that's under a dollar but not not a whole lot that's the lowest I've seen
[speaker001:] but still the I mean have you ever checked like uh the most money makers in uh in nin eteen uh ninety uh you can see that uh Exxon and Amaco and uh other companies oh God I forgot their names but uh Exxon was the number one money maker and that was just because of of the last quarter
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum right I think Mobil's doing very well too well I assume I assume all the major major brands are
[speaker001:] yeah and uh that was I mean and one of the companies uh went up four hundred and some percent
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and that's practically impossible to do now a days for a company to to shoot up in that way and uh
[speaker002:] that's true yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it's just that you know people people take advantage take advantage of that you know like the the companies were saying we're trying not to raise our prices but when you know when we get a barrel coming in at more than what we're selling it for we've got to raise our prices
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know but still if you realize that uh one barrel has like how much was it like uh forty gallons
[speaker002:] yeah something like yeah
[speaker001:] something it's got forty gallons and they're selling you know you you know you you got to pay forty dollars at least and you know for uh for one gallon and it's it was selling like at twenty five or something
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] so you're making uh you know fifteen dollars profit easily
[speaker002:] yep yep sure
[speaker001:] and uh everything I mean and and the expenses you know of the war you know it's like uh you know it's like who's gaining on this okay because uh I uh does does the US government own any gas companies like like you know like gas stations and stuff
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I because see like for example I don't know if the British government owns Shell I'm not sure about that
[speaker002:] I'm not sure either
[speaker001:] but the thing is like the US government got nothing out of it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] because well you know it's like other the other independent companies the gas stations you know and they did and uh then the taxes go up and then everybody else loses
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but um you know they're just they're just some things that might not be worth it
[speaker002:] yeah that's true
[speaker001:] you know and and uh first of all how many how many people had to had to die before the war you know it's like transporting stuff and
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] things like that before you know it's like yeah sure you know like to to a couple people that died there their families don't feel it was necessary to do that yeah yeah you you could never you could never bring them back so oh well
[speaker002:] sure dead's dead that's true well I don't guess we resolved anything but it's interesting it's
[speaker001:] yeah so okay nice talking to you
[speaker002:] to you too take care bye-bye
[speaker001:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] Okay, let's see. I think, uh, I guess, if I call I'm supposed to start. I think, uh, that's the way everybody has done it so far.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] But, anyway I think that, um, we are paying a lot in taxes, but I think that we have a government and we have a lot of freedoms, and we have a lot of things that the governments do with our money. Um, we're probably one of the, the only countries in the world that has all the things that we have. The, you know, as far as the quality of the streets, the school systems, um, the hospital stuff that the government gives money to. Um, the, you know, all the things that the government does like that. I, uh, I think they need to manage it a little bit better, but I don't think, uh, anybody is just going to come in and fix it in a couple of weeks, because they've been messing it up for many years, now. So,
[speaker002:] I have to agree that [LAUGHTER]. *listen
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And you're right. We, I mean, we, you know, we do have a good government. We do have a lot of things that, you know, that, you know, the taxes are there to support, but I do think they're mismanaged and I think that sometimes it's too easy of a, I don't know, to easy of an answer. It seems to say, I'll tax them if you can't get enough money, instead of trying to figure out how to cut budgets or cut spending or, or, you know, get all of the waste out of the spending.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I don't know what y'all are paying in Dallas, but, you know, it seems like we pay the state, you know there's a, the taxes set by, you know, the state and the city can add theirs, and the county adds theirs, and, you know, we're paying almost eight percent sales tax, right now. Which seems to me nuts. I came from California and, you know, when I left there, we paid six cents on the dollar, and that was like one of the highest in the nation.
[speaker001:] Right. I think it's seven here.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Seven point something.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Ourselves is seven point seven five.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Whole state.
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It drives me crazy. I'm thinking, you know, everybody is sitting here screaming about, we don't want a state income tax, but yet they allow the sales tax to go up and up and up and up and they don't do anything about it.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] You know.
[speaker001:] Where are you at? What state?
[speaker002:] I'm in Lubbock, Texas.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. There's, we're still, we're still one of few that don't have the, uh, state tax.
[speaker002:] That's true. And I did pay state tax in California, but my goodness, that, that, the, what did you call it, the sales tax, is just getting outrageous to pay.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's true.
[speaker002:] You don't sound like you're from Dallas. Where do you, do you come from originally Texas?
[speaker001:] Yeah. I do. I've lived in, in the Dallas area here since I was like four.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] So. Uh, it's, I don't know, an urban area, I guess whatever. I don't know.
[speaker002:] You just, you just managed to escape the real Texan accent,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I thought maybe you had come from somewhere else and had some experience with taxes there.
[speaker001:] No. No. I've just lived here,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, I don't know, I do, I can think of all the biblical things about it, too. Where, what did they say to, uh, I can't think of the scripture. Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's. *listen
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] So, you know, even, even in the story where they had to pay the taxes, the disciples,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, uh, Jesus said the money in the fish's mouth or in the fisher, inside the fish. And, uh, I thought of those two things when I was, I was holding for a long time.
[speaker002:] Oh, were you really,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] trying to find someone at home?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, you know, um, back then what they tried to do, you know, the would always try to stump Jesus, try to give him something that would contradict himself,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And so that's what they were trying to do with the tax situation. And, of course, that's when he said well you render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's, you render unto God what is God's.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And, uh, you know, of course, there, I don't think they really cared about the answer,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] they just wanted to try and catch him in something [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, but I believe in paying taxes and, I mean, yeah, like everybody else, I try to take as many deductions as I can,
[speaker001:] Oh, sure.
[speaker002:] you know, I don't want to pay more than I have to,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] And I get outraged when I feel like they go up for useless reasons, but I believe that they're necessary.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So, I really do,
[speaker001:] Yeah are,
[speaker002:] Do you, do you deal with taxes much in what you do when you work or,
[speaker001:] No, not really. I've, I spends a lot of time with our income tax, though. This, especially, this year and last year. Um, I have been married for just a few years, so I've had to really switch around from the E Z form to the, uh,
[speaker002:] Schedule A
[speaker001:] Right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, yeah.
[speaker001:] All the deductions and all that.
[speaker002:] Did you notice that when they passed the new simplified tax act, it seemed like it made everything harder?
[speaker001:] Yeah. It really did.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I, I saw, that, too.
[speaker002:] I didn't notice anything simplified about it, except that they took away the deductions,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] the interest and,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] other things [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] We're looking at buying a house,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And that was one of the main pluses that we have about buying a house.
[speaker002:] And it will help tremendously.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We bought ours five years ago and it's the one thing, it seems like you make those payments every month and at the end of the year you've paid all interest and no principles.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So that will definitely help in taxes and what you will get back.
[speaker001:] Yeah. There's a thing I just, I've been trying to learn as much as I can about it, if you pay, I know I get paid twice a month, every two weeks,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] that's once a month.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] Well, I get twenty six paychecks,
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] which would come out to be in thirteen months. So if you pay your rent or your house payment every two weeks,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] Instead of once a month, you'll come out paying a, uh, one month extra every year.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] And it will, if have you a thirty year note, it will take like seven or plus years off of your note.
[speaker002:] That's right. My parents, uh, bought a home in San Diego about four or five years ago,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] And they did that. They thought their payment was automatically taken out like every other Wednesday,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] And that's exactly right. Everyone, though the note is thirty years, she said it's going be paid off in twenty or twenty one years,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] or something like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Just because of exactly what you said,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] You're making one more month's payment every year.
[speaker001:] And that's going on the principle, it doesn't pay any interest,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] or,
[speaker002:] So, *needs slash?
[speaker001:] usually it doesn't.
[speaker002:] That's a good way to do it. *ba
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And when we bought this house, we looked at doing a fifteen year note, because it added more to the payment,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] but not significant amounts, you know, it was a good payoff for being able to pay it off sooner.
[speaker001:] Right. That's what we're looking at, fifteen or maybe twenty.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We're not going to go longer than twenty.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, we're taking our time. We're going to try to make our decision by July.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good, though.
[speaker001:] Well, we just started two or three weeks ago.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And we're not going to just kill ourselves just two or three houses a week at the most.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good, though.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Is it kind of a buyer's market down there?
[speaker001:] Absolutely. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good.
[speaker001:] Credit union has nine percent interest.
[speaker002:] That's pretty excellent.
[speaker001:] Yeah. So that's, I don't know, we couldn't think of a better time to buy than now.
[speaker002:] That's good.
[speaker001:] But, anyway. Well, um, I can't think of a whole lot more to say.
[speaker002:] Well, I can't either. I appreciate the call, though.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Me, too.
[speaker002:] I enjoyed talking to you.
[speaker001:] Yeah, same here. My wife, uh, she went to, uh, the school out there in Lubbock.
[speaker002:] In Lubbock?
[speaker001:] She was there for two or three years before we got married. I guess, before I even met her.
[speaker002:] [Speaker is talking to child in background]. Just a second.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Go ahead.
[speaker001:] But anyway,
[speaker002:] So she was at school out here?
[speaker001:] She went to school there.
[speaker002:] Well, what was her name?
[speaker001:] Cathy Walker.
[speaker002:] No. I didn't know any Walker's.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, good luck in your house hunting.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Thanks a lot. You, y'all work at T I?
[speaker002:] I do.
[speaker001:] You do.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I'm in human resources.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's interesting. I work in the waiver.
[speaker002:] Do you really, because that's, I work with Elma.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I used to work, I, I did all of their capital and financial planning for about eight years.
[speaker001:] Oh, wow.
[speaker002:] And then I have been in Human Resources for the last two years and I work with those same people all those nine years, so,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I feel kind of part of the staff.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, I'm, uh, turning in a capital request right now,
[speaker002:] You are.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's funny that's where you're from.
[speaker002:] What are trying to get? *listen
[speaker001:] A machine that puts back grind tape on and off the waivers.
[speaker002:] Oh. Okay. So you work in back grind?
[speaker001:] Yeah. I'm, I'm sort of an acting process engineer.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] Not officially, but that's pretty much what I do.
[speaker002:] That's what you do, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And do you?
[speaker001:] Right and.
[speaker002:] Well good deal. What did you think of Sam?
[speaker001:] Uh, oh, I like him, he's hard, but we needed that.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good.
[speaker001:] Yeah he's,
[speaker002:] He was very good for Lubbock when he came to, you know, it was the same kind of thing, he had a lot of good results.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's, that's what he said here.
[speaker002:] Good.
[speaker001:] He's gotten us into a linear flow that we've never been in before.
[speaker002:] Well, good.
[speaker001:] That's been a real big plus.
[speaker002:] Good.
[speaker001:] He's broadened, our, um, the devices that we're making, too,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] which has made us as lot more stable.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good.
[speaker001:] Anyway, well, it was nice to talk to you.
[speaker002:] Well, you too, and,
[speaker001:] They're are going to interrupt us any minute now, I can tell.
[speaker002:] well, I know they will, and besides my daughter wants me to put her to bed.
[speaker001:] Okay, yeah, me, too.
[speaker002:] Well, have a good day.
[speaker001:] You, too. Bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] um we our subject is golf
[speaker002:] and that's a good subject that I like to talk about
[speaker001:] well good because I thought my goodness I'm I'm a definitely a beginner at golf
[speaker002:] oh are you do you play
[speaker001:] um I took lessons a couple of not last spring but spring before last and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I really enjoyed it and I had taken years ago and I never could see that what I was doing was causing that little ball to do anything and so um but when went I took this time you know it actually went up in the air and and I I mean I could see that what I was doing made a difference and so um my husband and I uh took together he had played some
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] already and then we started playing some and and we played in the summer a few times and then I teach and I don't have time to during the school year much but um
[speaker002:] oh that's the way to do it yeah um-hum right well you got weekends
[speaker001:] well it just seems like it just is all a it really does and then uh and in the spring we've we've been lucky enough to go to several of those tournaments around here the uh
[speaker002:] it takes a lot of time yeah it does
[speaker001:] one at Las Colinas and uh the Byron Byron Nelson and I've loved watching so I'm I'm definitely a good spectator for not so much on TV but you know for live
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh um-hum well I even I enjoy it on TV uh it once you get into it a little more you'll enjoy it on TV also
[speaker001:] well now you know actually I have occasionally occasionally watched a little of it and I never did ever before I took these lessons my my son uh plays golf and he's oh he loves to watch it on TV so I guess if you play a lot you
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh yes the more you get into it you you'll really enjoy it on TV too I think or or everybody I know that does
[speaker001:] right well how about well well what about you
[speaker002:] yeah I play all the time well not all the time but I try to get in at least we play where there's a little course go down East Texas and we go down there a lot in Mount Vernon
[speaker001:] where is that uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] that is that very far
[speaker002:] no it's a hundred miles I'm originally from there and we go down nearly every weekend my folks live there so we have a place to stay and uh it's it's just so much fun when you got a regular group of your buddies you play with
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh sure
[speaker002:] so that's what I do and the wife took it up about two or three years ago and she's she's enjoyed it a lot but it's hard to get the girls to play you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh it is
[speaker002:] and uh so she doesn't really get to play you know enough enough not nearly enough although what she does she and I'll play sometimes you know and and she enjoys it but
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh right
[speaker002:] and she enjoys playing with the girls but heck most of the time they're not all playing you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and course I've got a group that I play with
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it makes it a little bit difficult there but we enjoy it it's a lot of fun and uh one of the best parts about it once she took it up was when we'd go on a little trip somewhere not long trips or anything but just little trips you know well it was always real good to to take our clubs and she could we could play golf
[speaker001:] oh I know I think that's that's great
[speaker002:] whereas before I probably wouldn't even get to play you know and now she enjoys playing with me and and we you know it it just makes the trips more enjoyable for me
[speaker001:] uh-huh sure
[speaker002:] so uh
[speaker001:] so uh how long have you been playing
[speaker002:] oh I've been playing probably twenty years or longer I didn't start it nearly as young as I should have I think I was about
[speaker001:] oh wow uh-huh
[speaker002:] twenty uh I don't know I guess I've been playing longer than that since I'm fifty I've probably been playing uh twenty five years
[speaker001:] uh-huh well um that I mean that's what they all say is that you know that's one of those things that you just can't start young enough
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh well you most well you think you'd be better if you started early I'm not so sure that's true I see
[speaker001:] especially I guess if you you start early and you just get get good lessons and you do it right I guess and
[speaker002:] yeah some some people that helps but then some people are just good at it and some are not
[speaker001:] I I guess so it really is interesting
[speaker002:] uh now now you're gonna improve and it helps to take lessons and and play a lot you're going definitely gonna get better but I'm talking about the difference from being a
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] uh mid nineties to low uh high I mean a low nineties to a mid eighties shooter which that's what I am to being a guy that shoots in the low seventies
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh my well you're doing real well
[speaker002:] that doesn't sound like a lot of difference but believe me it's a lot of difference it really is
[speaker001:] well um uh did and so do you play around here some
[speaker002:] I used to play around here all the time but I don't any more since we just I just play down there now
[speaker001:] uh-huh where would you play here
[speaker002:] uh my favorite courses around here are uh Fire Wheel
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh I I like Chase Oaks real well but it's kind of expensive
[speaker001:] oh so is Fire Wheel not as expensive
[speaker002:] no it's a it's a municipal course Garland owns it city of Garland owns and that's how
[speaker001:] oh well I I course have you ever played at Plano
[speaker002:] oh yeah Plano's a good course I've played there oh gosh ever since it's been there many many times
[speaker001:] well well is it competitive well we've played that's where we've played mostly we've played at Chase Oaks too but um
[speaker002:] it's an excellent golf course Chase Oaks is difficult you really need to be a good golfer to play Chase Oaks
[speaker001:] oh horrors I mean we just lose jillions of balls and
[speaker002:] yeah if you're not a really good golfer don't waste your time at at Chase Oaks yeah it's too
[speaker001:] that's discouraging isn't it |
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] All right.
[speaker001:] Um, I, I understand that it's being proposed as a requirement,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] for, uh, young people to be, to go into public service. I think,
[speaker002:] Yes, all, all young Americans, they did not specify, you know, exactly what young means.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. I think that it probably would be a, a good program. I think probably two years is too long.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think maybe a year would be,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] the longest.
[speaker002:] Yeah, you're prob-, probably right, two years might be a little too long.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and there will be a lot of rebellion in that and when you get people who have no desire to be there in the first place,
[speaker002:] That's right. That,
[speaker001:] I don't think that they're going to be serving anybody.
[speaker002:] that would be the problem. Sure would.
[speaker001:] Yeah. So I think it would be a good thing though,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] to encourage other people who aren't even aware that they can do such a thing.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] to get out there and do so.
[speaker002:] Yeah, or maybe offer them, you know, some sort of an incentive to do it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, you know college credit, you know, something, you know,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I'm not sure what but,
[speaker001:] Right. College credit is a good idea because,
[speaker002:] I'm not sure they need to be, you know, paid, you know, a super do salary of any kind.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] but that, that kind of takes away from public service.
[speaker001:] That's right [LAUGHTER]. Yeah, they probably couldn't do anything monetary, but I think, giving,
[speaker002:] But, just, you know, to receive a letter in the mail,
[speaker001:] giving some kind of college credit,
[speaker002:] that says, you know, you need to report somewhere by next Monday, you know you need to report somewhere by next Monday, you know. I'm not sure that would be a terrifically good idea.
[speaker001:] No, I don't think so either because a lot of people, um, depending on how the public service programs are set up and I'm not that familiar with them to know,
[speaker002:] I'm not either really.
[speaker001:] But, you know, if, a, a lot of people flat can't afford to.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] You know,
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] and most kids these days have gotten themselves into, uh, financial situations,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] where they have to be working all the time.
[speaker002:] That's right. Absolutely. They need, you-,
[speaker001:] So, it's, it's a really tough question.
[speaker002:] young families, whatever,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] they just couldn't, you know, take off to do that.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Oh,
[speaker001:] and, if you put them in public service right out of high school, then that, that postpones their college,
[speaker002:] That's right, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] for a year and that would upset a lot of people too,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, it sure would.
[speaker001:] because they just want to get on,
[speaker002:] It would have to be a lot of, you know, thought given to something like that, I would think.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I, you know, I think it would be good for a lot of people to get involved in that kind of program,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but I, I think it can't be something that's mandatory.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] it has to be something that's voluntary. You know, which is pretty much the way it is now. They might,
[speaker002:] That's right. I'm not even really sure at this point in time, you know, what, what programs are out there.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and that's the other thing is that, you know, instead of making it mandatory, they maybe need to publicize it a little bit better.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, you know, go to the schools and do programs,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and tell them that we need your help, and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know, uh, volunteer for such and such a time,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and you've a choice of where you want to go.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, and that way, handling it that way they could probably get some results out of it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, like maybe if, if there was something they could do in their own, own, in their own town or city,
[speaker001:] Yeah, in their own community, right.
[speaker002:] yeah, and not have to pull up roots and, you know, go somewhere half way around the world, or something.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's true [LAUGHTER]. Most of them probably wouldn't do something like that.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] Although there are a lot of kids who would do it just to get away from their parents [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's, that's true too. That's true too.
[speaker001:] But, they would have to be supported in some way, and I'm not sure that tho-, those programs are available to do that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Me neither. And, you wonder, you know, what kind of quality job would they do, you know,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Just sit around for their year, or would they really, you know, make a contribution of some kind.
[speaker001:] Right, exactly.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it is tough. It's, and I don't know who's even proposing it,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] or, or how they plan on implementing it,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] if they do.
[speaker002:] I, I'm not sure either. But, I think, there would have to be a lot more, you know, information, you know, disseminated, before you say,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] let's do this, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I think going to the schools would be the easiest for them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, it be, it wouldn't take up much, much, it would take up more time than anything but it wouldn't take up a lot of money.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They wouldn't have to spend money advertising and things like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah. That's right.
[speaker001:] You go to school and you have a kind of a captive audience, get them all in the auditorium,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and you, you give them your speech and maybe a little slide show or something,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, I think, that they could get some results from that,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] because there are a lot of people who are volunteer and community minded, but they don't know where to go to, to,
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] to do anything.
[speaker002:] Yeah. That's a real waste too. It really is.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it is. It really is.
[speaker002:] I don't really see the emphasis on things like Peace Corps, like we, you know, we saw back, I guess, in the Carter administration,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] that was, that was a big thing with him.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] And, I guess even back to Kennedy, as a matter of fact, I guess Kennedy may be the one that actually started the thing, or was, you know, really interested in things like that.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I just don't hear much about it anymore. Like I say, I don't even know what programs are, are even ongoing now, you know.
[speaker001:] I don't either [LAUGHTER]. That's one,
[speaker002:] Anyway, it's a tough question.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it is a tough question.
[speaker002:] Okay, well thanks for your time. I enjoyed talking to you.
[speaker001:] Sure, same here.
[speaker002:] Okay, take care.
[speaker001:] Ta-, you too.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Bye. |
[speaker002:] why don't you go ahead and start
[speaker001:] okay my hobby is uh sewing I I've just uh started learning how to sew and uh I've taken some classes and I've made a few few garments do you sew at all
[speaker002:] I used to uh I I sewed you know in high school and when I went to college I think everything in my closet I had made but I haven't sewed since then and that's been fifteen years
[speaker001:] did you
[speaker002:] so uh you know I didn't have access to a machine the whole time I was in college
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and uh my sister sewed and she needed the money so I would pay her and she'd make my clothes
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and uh and then just in the last you know ten or twenty I just haven't sewn anything I would love to I would like to get back to it
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh uh clothes are getting so expensive now in in the stores and the the quality is is sometimes so poor that uh it it really is worth while to sew
[speaker002:] yeah it is you know an even back then I remember you could make something for you know half what it cost to buy and of course the quality was just exceptional
[speaker001:] right an
[speaker002:] uh now it's a little more expensive to make it because you you know you start paying the price for the patterns and the material but it's still such better quality that I think it's worth it
[speaker001:] yeah it certainly is and the patterns have gone up tremendously too the prices for them you used to could get you know a pattern for two or three dollars now they're like you know five six seven eight
[speaker002:] you're kidding me
[speaker001:] oh no I'm not
[speaker002:] see I can remember paying seventy five cents for a pattern
[speaker001:] huh-uh no the the cheapest ones now are like maybe four uh four or five five dollars
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] six seven and then you get into the vogues they get up to into twelve and fifteen and on like that
[speaker002:] good night well do you have kids and a husband are you sewing for a whole family or
[speaker001:] uh right now I'm just sewing for myself I I do have two daughters that you know out they're they're grown now though I wish that I had started sewing you know when they were younger
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh it would have helped me out tremendously but um oh I guess I I just you know I always I have always tried to sew and uh I didn't like the way it looked so I'd never wear anything but now I I really have bought some uh new sewing equipment I bought the Serger machine
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh it really makes it look professional and I've taken some classes here in in uh Dallas
[speaker002:] well and that always is helpful for starters you know you have to have something that kind of gets you on the right track of where you're going
[speaker001:] yeah right I know a lot of people where I work make their clothes it's just there's just so many people sewing now days
[speaker002:] that's true well do you do anything else do you knit or crochet like for sweaters or anything like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh huh-uh no I'm not that talented
[speaker002:] no see I'm not I've not ever been a real craft type person I have a sister-in-law that I mean if it can be done with your hands she does it she makes things for the kids for Christmas and nephews and nieces and I look at them and I think God you know I I should be able to do things like this
[speaker001:] right I have a sister that can can uh crochet real well or or knit I I guess I mean knit and she knits things like hats and uh sweaters an you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well when my sister oh when my sister had her first uh child my niece and this is we're talking fifteen years ago I was it was my last year of college
[speaker001:] bed throws uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I asked my roommate if she would teach me how to crochet granny squares so she did and I crocheted a blanket for my sister's baby
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and I started crocheting a king size bedspread for a guy that I was dating at the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and when we broke things off actually we were supposed to get married when I got out of college so when we broke things off I quit crocheting it and I've never picked up a needle since then in fact I think it's still sitting in the top of the closet
[speaker001:] oh my goodness
[speaker002:] one of these days I keep thinking I'm going to finish it because it would make a really pretty bedspread
[speaker001:] but yeah now now they have the uh knitting machines that will do it for you
[speaker002:] fast
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] my problem I guess is time you know I I talk to my husband we kind of planning for the time eventually when you know maybe I can quit work while my kids because I my kids are young I have a three and a half and a two year old
[speaker001:] uh-huh um
[speaker002:] and he says but Bev I think you'll be so bored because you know all you've ever done is work and I said but there's so many things I want to do I'd like to start sewing again I'd like to learn how to do this cross stitch and these you know knit these things and I think that would be fascinating he kind of laughs
[speaker001:] yeah are you familiar with what a Serger is uh the Serger sewing machine
[speaker002:] I don't think so
[speaker001:] well you know in when we used to sew we'd sew the seam and then we'd finish the edges and we we would uh trim the seams and finish the edges
[speaker002:] sure uh-huh
[speaker001:] well this machine does it all in one step it's
[speaker002:] you're kidding so like as you're sewing the seam it's finishing off the inside edge
[speaker001:] right and it's cutting off the uh the there there are two knives and it cuts off the uh you know excess seam allowance
[speaker002:] well that takes all the work out of it
[speaker001:] right and uh it it really makes it look professional
[speaker002:] well how neat
[speaker001:] especially on you know I mean from the inside you know how you look under under something that you've made and it doesn't really
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh the Serger really makes it look professional
[speaker002:] well that's neat
[speaker001:] they're pretty expensive I like I paid like about eight hundred dollars for mine
[speaker002:] for the machine yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh so since I bought it and paid that much for it I guess I'd better might as well get some use out of it yes I'm going to have to do it
[speaker002:] you have to learn how to do it that's right otherwise they hold it over your head forever right
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] now I bought you that machine well that sounds really good
[speaker001:] ah yeah
[speaker002:] do you paint or anything like that
[speaker001:] no no I I play the piano
[speaker002:] never oh so do I
[speaker001:] oh you do
[speaker002:] except well I have one here it's the one that I grew up with and my folks gave it to me and uh a couple years ago when they uh they sail and so they sold their home and they they've been sailing and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it's here but I haven't touched one like since college so I kind of am picking it all out again and trying to remember how to do it again and of course my kids jump in the middle of it and want to pound on it and I'd love to teach them to play too
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] so I'm not great but I remember it
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I'm not that great either I used to be a lot better than I am now I I have played for uh the church choir and uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I played for the choral club in high school and but I you know I don't practice a lot anymore and uh you know you get rusty
[speaker002:] you do
[speaker001:] you really
[speaker002:] you do
[speaker001:] I never thought I would get rusty but I'm rusty now
[speaker002:] well I I figure it takes practice and I I don't I say I don't have the time that's not true by the time I put my kids in bed at night I don't want to do anything
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] I you know I've worked all day and I come home and I do that I and you know even hobbies and crafts and sewing things like that I I think gee I could do this or that I have an hour here I don't want to do them sometimes I'm too tired
[speaker001:] right uh-huh yeah right
[speaker002:] so I try to save that for the weekend I need to get better at it though
[speaker001:] uh-huh well sewing does take up take an awful lot of time takes an awful lot of time
[speaker002:] now the part about sewing that I never liked was laying out the material and the pattern and cutting it out if if somebody would lay it out for me then I didn't mind cutting it out and sewing it I could do that all day long and I I can remember once in high school I wanted some extra money
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and my mom wanted some pants so she laid out the material and I cut it and sewed it and she paid me I think like two dollars a pair to make her some pants
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but I I hate laying out material and trying to get the most out of the material and make sure it's on the right lines and not on the bias and
[speaker001:] yeah on the on the right on the straight grain and all that stuff uh-huh
[speaker002:] yes on the grain of the fabric it drives me crazy
[speaker001:] yeah that that's that's the part that I don't like too
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I I like sewing sewing up the garment itself I really like to do that but the the cutting and the all the even the cutting I don't like
[speaker002:] well what are some of the other features on this machine it sounds wonderful
[speaker001:] well that's about it really it's it has four uh four threads instead of the the regular basic two threads
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] and uh it's
[speaker002:] is that for designs or is that for the regular seam in the fabric or
[speaker001:] no you you can either use three or four of the threads
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] uh it's kind of it the stitch is kind of like a knitting machine like the they're loopers under the bottom and then the there's a seam stitch and it's the loopers that form the the edge you know that edge finish
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh that's what really makes it look professional you can do a lot with the Serger though you can make uh piping and cording and uh you can use all kinds of different uh textures of thread
[speaker002:] so it has the ability to do just about any type of sewing you want to do
[speaker001:] and well yes but you you have to use it in combination with a sewing machine you can't throw your sewing machine away you you you need it to do things like button holes and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] seams that need to be really strong need to be done on the sewing machine
[speaker002:] so the Serger is not a sewing machine itself it's something that goes with it
[speaker001:] it's uh
[speaker002:] like an attachment or
[speaker001:] no it's it's a it's a it's a machine it's not exactly a sewing machine but it does it does sew the seam and trim the edges and all that stuff but there are other are other things that a regular sewing machine does that it doesn't do like you can't top stitch with it
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] you know you can't do top stitching or um there's there's a few few things that you just can't do with it it will also do a rolled edge um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] gee it's just so versatile like I remember
[speaker002:] well I'm going to have to go check it out that's just something I hadn't heard of but it |
[speaker001:] Well, what is your view, do you consider the Soviet Union a threat?
[speaker002:] I don't know that it's so much a military threat anymore as a, [LAUGHTER], well, you know, it's, it's real confusing right now to know what kind of a, of, of a threat it is, I guess,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] it, it takes awhile to, to get used to something, you know, if, if they have completely chain-, on the, place has completely turned that much around to where they're not, you know, not what they used to be,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] uh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] It's, it's hard to, to know anymore if it's a, a threat one way or another because, uh, it used to be s-, so, f-, much in the past that whatever the top said the rest fell, you know, rank and file in behind it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And now that with Gorbachev is introducing more, I guess, freedoms or expressions of freedom, it doesn't look as though, you know, everybody's following the same pattern.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, those, the people who are, you know, the staunch military conservative people, you never know, well, Gorbachev's future is like whereas,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] whereas in the past it was seen as, you know, whoever was the head of the, the communist party was seen as, you know, untouchable.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I thi-, yeah, the thing that keeps happening is happening so fast and so, uh, dramatic that you almost think, now wait a minute, you know, we're getting stuck into something here, you know, if,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] if somebody's about to, to clobber you, the first thing they do is sort of say, well, you know, we're, we're ashamed, we're not going to do that anymore.
[speaker001:] Exactly.
[speaker002:] And, uh, [throat clearing], um, you know, I'd, I'd like to think that that isn't true but I, I, you know, the evidence is that, uh, you know, he's, he's let some, some stuff go, you know, the east German situation.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] It's just the whole thing is so incomprehensible, you know, if I'd have been asleep for five years,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and read it in a book, I said, no, no, no, that didn't, couldn't have happened that way.
[speaker001:] Right. Well, it's amazing just because of the drain that's been on, you know, both economies that our economy is, of course, been able to, uh, withstand that a little better,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, the Russian economy they, you know, they, I don't know what the percentages are, but I heard it one time, it's just some ungodly number just to support the military machine.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And finally, you know, who knows maybe they're finally waking up and saying, you know, we can't afford this. Uh, the U S isn't the threat that we've always made them out to be,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know, even if they're saying that beneath the doors. But it's hard to thing that just one person can bring that much of a radical change in that short of period.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Even if it is, you know, the best thing in the long run, it just steps on too many people's toes,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] who are comfortable with the way the situation is.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I think, you know, what I'd have to, I, I gues-, I guess to answer the question directly, I'm still just a, a little bit, you know, leery of the whole thing.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] What I haven't seen is the, uh, you know, a great stepping back in the military,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] situation. You know, it's, it's one thing, you know, to let us go ahead and sort of disarm and, you know, I even had a thought once that the whole Iraqi thing might have been just a, a deal to go ahead and let us, uh, you know,
[speaker001:] Expend?
[speaker002:] expend some, some military hardware. Of course, it didn't turn out that way.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, uh, that, that may have been a, a, a kind of far out way of thinking about it I don't know.
[speaker001:] Well, it's interesting, anymore the world's getting so small that it doesn't seem to tolerate anymore any kind of the expansionism,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] philosophy that, that was here in,
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, twenty years ago. Uh, but, of course, the people who have challenged that or tried to do, on-, have cor-, have not been world powers. So, it's easier for us to say, you know, to an Iraq, you know,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, you can't do this, get back, you know, or we're going to force you.
[speaker002:] Yeah, or, or we can do something about it. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Whereas, you know, if the Soviet Union would have, who knows what taking over Mongolia or, or something like that, who is really, will we have been more just rhetoric,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, rather than going in there officially or, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] physically and try to, to remove them.
[speaker002:] Well, the, the China situation, you know, the when, it looked like that thing was, was turning around and all of a sudden it was like somebody in the, in the Red Square or wherever said, okay, and that's enough.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And the tanks came in and,
[speaker001:] Exactly.
[speaker002:] you know, pretty much took care of that. And,
[speaker001:] Yeah, uh, that, personally I don't see as Gorbachev as being maybe a threat, and I think he's actually, honestly trying to do some change.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But I don't believe that he, in this first pass around, you know, being the first one to really turn things around or attempt to is going to be allowed to get away with it either.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, this would be like if somebody was elected president of the United States and suddenly took off toward, you know, just some pretty hard by the socialism,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, you know, the, the reaction, uh, [throat clearing] you know, the, the economic, well, the, uh, the social structure of the Soviet Union, you know, it, it's, it's coming apart at the seams.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, and I've heard people say, well, you know, it's just like the American Civil War, will there be a union or not? Well, no, it's not the same sort of a thing at all because that, the whole Soviet system was put together under total force, you know, there was no, as, as we are seeing now with a lot of those,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] areas wanting out of it,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, they, uh, nobody vo-, you know, a lot man, those people didn't vote to become part of the Soviet Union, they had no choice.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that was always kind of interesting, people, you know, a lot of my friends have a taken us down, the stance of, you know, these people are just trying to be free and trying to get away and I'm thinking more of it from a nationalistic, you know, if I'm a Soviet and if part of, you know, south, let's say South Dakota wanted to succ-, you know, succeed, am I going to stand for that.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Now I realize that the origins are, are different and that we all joined under a common direction and a common bond to begin with,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and that they may have been forced, I'm not that familiar with their future, but I, you know, I, it's easy to believe that they were probably more forced into a pact than, uh, a volunteer or willingness to join.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] There, there was the whole thing was put together, you know, by force. There's, there's no, no real question about that.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And some of the countries that were forced in at th-, later dates is the three Baltic countries, you know, came in, in the forties,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, it's, well, it's not that they came in, it's they were conquered by the Germans,
[speaker001:] And then,
[speaker002:] and then the Russians even,
[speaker001:] just never given back.
[speaker002:] took it back from the Germans and never bothered to give it back,
[speaker001:] Yep.
[speaker002:] you know, so. That's a,
[speaker001:] Well, that whole a,
[speaker002:] a little different situation.
[speaker001:] the whole i-, idea if you look at the Russian history and I guess all countries the way it used to be is, the only way to truly protect your borders was to have a buffer.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And that was the whole idea why they had so many buffers and maybe, you know, more and more people are seeing, oh, countries hopefully are seeing that that buffer isn't going to help you, you can, well, I guess like,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] with, uh, Israel is a perfect example. The reason they have the Angolan Heights and the, the, uh, all their buffer area is between Jordan and the, the Sinai and, and Lebanon was just as a buffer but, you know, as you can see with the, the scuds go right over there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah, they don't really pay a whole lot of attention to buffers.
[speaker001:] Yeah, there's, there's very little that, that binds you anymore in today's technology.
[speaker002:] I knew a lot of guys in the service when they were sent to Germany they said that's the safest place in the world because if a war starts, all the bombs are going to go right over Germany and they're going to land in other places,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know, that's going to be the safest place to be.
[speaker001:] That's probably very true. Ve-, that's very interesting, never thought of that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, uh, I, I guess, what they'd have to do to, I really don't know, you know, in, in the, in, you know, I hope that what's happening is exactly the way it appears.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, some reason or other, you know, is, uh, it's kind of a strange thing we've been trying to make something like this happen for so long that when it finally happens you say,
[speaker001:] Nobody knows what to do.
[speaker002:] whoa, wait a minute, you know. What's, uh,
[speaker001:] Is it real?
[speaker002:] what's, what's really happening here.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But you wonder how, well, this thing, w-, who, was it Boris Yeltsin, the guy that's running the, uh, or evidently was elected president of the Soviet,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] for the Russian republic,
[speaker001:] Exactly.
[speaker002:] which is, I guess, the, uh, the biggest,
[speaker001:] I get confused between all the, which is the Soviet provinces versus which are the, the Russian provinces,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] versus what are,
[speaker002:] Well, in the center but you got a, the, the great big area that's just, was traditionally known as Russia and then all these little nationality groups,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] around it, you know, that were, you know, was there nineteen of them or, or whatever, you know, and these were all the Soviet economists, us you know, they had some real fancy names for them.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Matter of fact when the, uh, [throat clearing] yeah, what I read when the, uh, lee-, uh, United Nations was setup in, in San Francisco, one of the first things the Russians wanted to do was bring in each one of the, uh, of these, you know, republics,
[speaker001:] Oh, as a,
[speaker002:] as a separate country, you know,
[speaker001:] as a vote.
[speaker002:] so there would be, there would be nineteen,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] rather than one.
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] And, uh, the United States said, well, that mean we get to bring in forty-eight, you know.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] And, uh, that sort of, you know, they backed down on that.
[speaker001:] Died down on that. I thought it was interesting that recently here the Warsaw Pact no longer exists as a militor-, military force, but it's merely an economic now.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, wonder if that [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Well, I mean at,
[speaker002:] wh-, uh, w-,
[speaker001:] Yeah, exactly.
[speaker002:] what do you get shot by something that's called a, an economic force or what is called a military pact, you know, it's all, you can change the name of something but I wonder if it's still, exists.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Although, I've seen some evidence that, you know, the, uh, the Russian soldiers are, well, you, the funny thing there is they're not particularly welcome back home because there's, they're having housing shortages now. What do you do with all these troops that have been taken care of by, uh, Bulgaria and,
[speaker001:] Exactly and, and all the,
[speaker002:] and Czechoslovakia and now all of a sudden they're going home and somebody's got to pay for their,
[speaker001:] Well, that's what they're saying the whole problem, you know, with, if we were to demilitarize Europe, [cough], what are we going to do with all the soldiers over there?
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, that's not,
[speaker001:] What's going to happen to the economies that are no longer have a, a million plus people in the indu-, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] in each country from the U S... |
[speaker001:] how do you feel about gun control
[speaker002:] well uh I mean I don't think that guns should be outlawed
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] but it's going to a lot of the stuff that I mean all you do is to get guns
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then like with the stuff of that massacre in Killeen Texas not too long ago
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I don't really know I mean unless they do uh just outlaw them how you can uh I mean prevent that
[speaker001:] well don't you think that you know just having you know some you know almost like a driver's license be required you know with stiff penalties if you are found with with you know you know a gun that is not registered or you know that you are not licensed to carry
[speaker002:] yeah that well do you even know what the procedures are now
[speaker001:] I mean it varies from State to State
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] there is no national
[speaker002:] but it's kind of like if you want a gun you can get a gun especially if you have the money to pay for it
[speaker001:] uh in most States as long as you aren't a convicted felon
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know or on probation or you know other obvious things like that uh and I know I know that like in a lot of states you could you could be just like released from a mental hospital the day before you know be be obviously insane and then you you know but have your legal right to get a gun
[speaker002:] huh I didn't know that well that's pretty scary so does now do they want us to say where we feel about it like in rating it one to ten
[speaker001:] uh uh yes I'd probably I'd probably say about a five
[speaker002:] that's where I would probably be
[speaker001:] seems like it's a good safe number to pick you know
[speaker002:] well I mean I mean I don't really know what they can how they can really enforce the laws any better
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] because I mean I do think that some people need them and like for protection and stuff and I can understand them wanting to have them but then again it's just like all those nuts out there
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh well you know uh uh other than that if you are looking at like you know country that you know uh where they do have a lot more gun control like England and places like that you know the amount of violent crime has decreased by so much
[speaker002:] it has because
[speaker001:] well I mean yeah the uh the in comparing per capita murders are incredibly lower than the United States
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] uh you know I mean the problem though is you know they if the since the United States had this you know pretty much unrestricted flow of guns going for so long that I think you know if you were introduced you know any controls it would probably take a long while for them to take effect just because there is a glut of guns out there already
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know so it's so it's really into a kind of a complex problem
[speaker002:] well is the crime that bad there in Atlanta
[speaker001:] uh I'm not really sure how bad it is I've I've not really had that many problems with it but I mean apparently we we were ranked pretty high up
[speaker002:] yeah I know Dallas is
[speaker001:] uh I mean I think you know in the I mean I I think we have been like ranked in one of the top three for murders in the last few years
[speaker002:] I don't know if Dallas is in the top three but oh do you own a gun
[speaker001:] uh-huh no I've I've thought about getting one if I get one I think I will probably you know get something I probably wouldn't get a hand gun I would probably get like a shotgun just for protecting myself you know from you know burglar type thing I do kind of live in the downtown area
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] you know and shotguns are really good because you know they're I mean somebody is not going to break in steal it and you know use it to mug someone you know
[speaker002:] that's true
[speaker001:] uh and you know you yeah I just don't I just don't understand these people you know that like when they they decide they're going to buy a gun to protect themselves they go out and buy a three fifty seven magnum which is going to shoot through you know they are probably going to miss the person and they're going shoot and they're going to shoot through five wall and hit someone you know I mean a shotgun just just struck me as being you know a real good defensive weapon you can sort of point it somewhere in the direction of you know whoever
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you pretty much you pretty much stop them and you don't then the actual shot doesn't go that far you know a wall will stop it pretty much
[speaker002:] well well now when I first moved to Dallas I moved up here by myself and uh my dad gave me a gun
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I never did go out and practice with it enough to feel comfortable with it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so I finally ended up giving it back to him I said I don't want it I don't want to be responsible for it because
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know if you're not going to teach me how to do it and if I am not going to you know be responsible enough to go out and learn I don't need it
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah that that really does scare me people you know that have guns because you know if you ever get in the situation where you know you are not prepared to shoot but you pick up the gun and point it at the person that that person rushes you
[speaker002:] and they get it from you uh-huh
[speaker001:] and you know you're pretty much dead you know because you you've just told the person that you you're about to kill them then
[speaker002:] set them off
[speaker001:] you know and and well I mean you you you you basically made it clear to the person that you know unless he unless you know that you are a real danger to them and then you know if you if they manage to get the gun from you you know their first reaction is going to be you know stop you
[speaker002:] yeah well that's why I ended up giving it back to him I thought well you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't want it if I don't know how to operate you know if I don't really know how to use it and I just didn't want the responsibility
[speaker001:] uh-huh um
[speaker002:] so well well uh did you hear about that Killeen massacre or whatever
[speaker001:] yeah the did it happen at a cafeteria or something
[speaker002:] yeah right that kind of
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean it just makes you wonder how people get guns I would be scared selling guns to people |
[speaker001:] Yeah, Jonathan, uh, you s-, you say it's near and dear to your heart. Buying a car is, uh, something you're contemplating, I take it.
[speaker002:] Uh, fantasizing about.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Can't do it right now. Our situation is that we're a two car family
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I have a mini van we bought a few years ago.
[speaker001:] Uh [faint].
[speaker002:] It's got a, uh, five year loan, so that's still got a couple years to run
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the car I get to drive is a, uh, Nissan Sentra that's going to be ten years old next month so,
[speaker001:] Wow [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I think
[speaker001:] They get,
[speaker002:] about, uh, sprucing that up in a couple years if I can.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. What do you think you'll, uh, what kind of a car do you think you'll buy next?
[speaker002:] Well [breathing], since I just turned forty, I'm thinking about [LAUGHTER] a forty year old man's car, something, uh, something real sporty
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but, uh, realistically with, uh, the need to take the kids to school, probably have to have something that, uh, wouldn't wined up putting their knees this their throat when they sat in the back seat. *spelling wined should be wind
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Something a little seating room. How about you?
[speaker001:] Well, I think the next car we get will probably be a [breathing], well I, I like Buicks. We have a Buick Century now, it's a nineteen eighty-seven
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, whatever I get, I want to have, uh, air bags, uh, both driver's and passenger side and four door because it's much more convenient if you're carrying anybody to, you know, rather than have them stoop down to get over, so
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] I think the four door is probably a major requirement and, other than that, uh, you know, reasonable cost and safety and, uh, as much economy as you can get out of a car. Uh, you know, I'm not looking for one with a great big engine, uh
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] something that will carry it around careful, I guess is best, best way to describe it. Right now, we've got a V six and it, that seems to be just fine. I know they s-, they're coming out with some V eight now and I think that's probably a little over kill for this day and age.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I was surprised to hear that the V eights are coming back, so, they've got some pretty powerful sixes.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, you know, V eights seem to be a return to the days of, you know, ten or twelve miles a gallon.
[speaker001:] Right. I, uh, I drive a, a truck, a Ford truck. I, I like trucks because they're spacious, and it's handy to haul things. Uh, it's not related to my business, I just really use it, basically, for transportation, but there's so many occasions when I've had to move some members of the family or do this or that, and it's
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] it's handy to have a truck and not have to borrow one.
[speaker002:] Is, uh, traction much of an issue for you up there.
[speaker001:] Traction?
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Uh, not really, uh, you know, it's a two wheel drive truck and I figure if it's so bad that I need a four wheel drive, I probably ought to be home anyway [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Actually, uh, pretty good way of looking at it, yeah. We, uh, we had a small accident with our mini van
[speaker001:] Wow.
[speaker002:] a few years ago. A case where there was a, sort of freak ice storm and we weren't aware of it, and just slipped on some black ice and went into another car, and, this is a rear wheel drive model. So, we got some monster studded snow tires after that.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Haven't had any problems since.
[speaker001:] What kind of, what make is the mini van?
[speaker002:] It's a Mazda.
[speaker001:] Mazda, I see.
[speaker002:] And, uh, we're pleased with it in terms of comfort, and, uh, driveability. Fuel economy isn't great, being a mini van, but, uh it's real nice for carrying around our kids and others and
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] it's, uh, got some nice features in terms of being able to remove seats and flip them around so we've been able to do some real creative, uh, load hauling when called upon.
[speaker001:] One of my sons has a, a Plymouth, uh, van
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] or, you know, uh, uh, that same type of thing, the Voyager, I guess
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and, uh, they have a, a child that's five years old and it's really handy for hauling him around and, and their stuff, and, of course, as he gets friends, I'm sure that will be even handier. So, I know if we were, if we had kids still at home, we're in our fifties now, but, if we had kids still at home, we'd certainly have to seriously consider a van just for their functional value.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think that we're going to be, uh, owning a mini van for some years to come. Probably till the kids are out of, uh, high school anyway.
[speaker001:] What about, uh, all wheel drive? Is that something that you'd be interested in or is that,
[speaker002:] Uh [breathing] I'd be satisfied with a, a good front wheel drive car when it comes time to replace the Sentra.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And even as, as light as that is with, uh, the small tires it's, it's done pretty well
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] in winter, uh, again, like you, if conditions are, are that bad, I probably don't want to be driving anyway.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So I know I'd be happy with a, a reasonable, uh, four door. You know, again, we've, we've got the same issue with getting kids into the, |
[speaker001:] yes uh crime is our subject
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] have you ever been accused of a crime
[speaker002:] have I um no I guess not
[speaker001:] I haven't either really I guess other than you want to count car accidents or something like that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh they asked for solutions uh
[speaker002:] yeah that's it
[speaker001:] I'll I'll be I'll be very out forespoken here uh the Arabs don't do everything in the world right but gosh they sure don't have too many repeat offenders over there
[speaker002:] that's true that's true they uh in in fact uh also I don't know if you're familiar with the Japanese method of of dealing with crimes
[speaker001:] uh no I no I'm not
[speaker002:] but they don't they have an extremely low rate extremely low especially considering the uh the density of the population and stuff um they have uh they have this this sense of of family that's very important to them and and family honor and what they do the the main punishment the most effective portion of their punishment is that they take and publish the offender's name in a newspaper that gets spread all over the country and especially in the region that they're in
[speaker001:] and the family's name too
[speaker002:] it well it gives the the person's name and the family is typically so embarrassed that they have to they sell their house they leave they leave the region and move to to the opposite end of Japan of Japan and so it shames the entire family including the grandparents and and maybe aunts and uncles
[speaker001:] yeah that's similar to what was this town maybe it was here in some place that on prostitution
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] when they caught a uh a a a customer trying to solicit a prostitute either way however you wanna say it they would publish the names of the customer and address of the customer in the newspaper
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] there are a lot of divorces lot of family counseling going on but prostitution went down in that city
[speaker002:] I I'm willing to bet yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it just about killed the business well publicity huh it doesn't work over in this country does it
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah well well you know the thing I guess the thing is is you know with the uh the in part uh one of the things to blame is the disintegration of the family in general and and the importance of the family and and and that's
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] but you know you can't just magically push a button and make that come back I guess but uh
[speaker001:] uh if you yeah if you can wanna compare crime rates by divorce and and single parents and everything else I'm sure they'll be at a direct proportion to it
[speaker002:] probably uh related
[speaker001:] uh unfortunately uh
[speaker002:] but incidentally incidentally um I just uh just just reading in the newspaper about um uh this they're I don't know they were moving some of the uh highway uh things in here in Texas recenttly the offices
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and they had ranked Dallas as being uh seven out of seven on scale of of quality of life and I assume that that that includes that includes crime nowhere nowheres else nowhere else in the state was above about a three point two yeah and and and and Dallas was a seven point O
[speaker001:] seven for Dallas if if you live but we cut them off at five hundred a a year and January first we had three in one day
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I swear uh
[speaker002:] I I really yeah I really I thought it was pretty surprising
[speaker001:] I think Austin should be seven of seven that is I went to school and graduated from UT and oh it's hey if I if I hadn't stayed in Austin I should've gone to Stephenville Texas I'll tell you
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well they they uh even even Austin's had it's share of of nasty crimes recently right with the with the sort of senseless murder of these girls at the um
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] at uh the ice cream parlor guy just walked in and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum pull the trigger
[speaker002:] yeah I guess so
[speaker001:] well obviously in Texas we let them out too soon
[speaker002:] but you know look at the what's the cost of keeping them in it's something like uh uh yeah it's like twenty thousand dollars per per year to keep somebody in jail
[speaker001:] astronomical did you see where the private ventures that built the jails and they're gonna help alleviate the overcrowding conditions are don't have any customers
[speaker002:] hum nobody wants the city or the the government doesn't wanna let them do it
[speaker001:] who I I guess
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] it looks to me like you know whether you you you get government out of it and give it to private enterprise it's done cheaper and more economical and more efficiently put the profit motive in front of anybody and all of a sudden it it works
[speaker002:] yeah all of a sudden it works huh
[speaker001:] isn't that awful no it's not that's what makes just customer go around you know I was telling a guy from IRS and and I said something about profit he said thank goodness for profit I said I beg your pardon he said yeah Internal Revenue Service we tax profits I wouldn't have a job if there wasn't any profits
[speaker002:] yeah huh yeah yeah that's true you rather have people to cry to yeah but I don't know you know I mean obviously you know obviously some more jails isn't really the solution either I don't know I mean that doesn't seem to be
[speaker001:] um well maybe we ought to um
[speaker002:] terribly effective
[speaker001:] put them in these Air Force bases that are closing and utilize those you know
[speaker002:] yeah well there's there've been several you know those those kind of died on the vine they were there were separate proposals around to do that kind of thing and I haven't heard anything about them recently and maybe maybe I'm the one that just hasn't been paying attention
[speaker001:] um I read an interesting article in Texas Monthly a few months back about this guy that was a uh a guard at the Ellis Unit down in Huntsville
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and he was a regular guard a a what they call a new boot or something like that and one thing led to another somebody asked for light of a cigarette or a cigarette and before long he was running dope for them and he got caught and now he's in prison himself
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and the the article purpose of the article was just to emphasize that nobody's above it um
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I know |
[speaker001:] well I currently don't have a pet although uh I have in the past
[speaker002:] oh you don't have one
[speaker001:] not right now we
[speaker002:] I have a cat and a dog both
[speaker001:] oh my gosh well you should have a lot to talk about then
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh well no the place I live in is a little too small right now for uh for a pet I hate to hate to keep a dog or something like that and not have enough room for it to run around in so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh I guess you don't have that problem at least with the cat
[speaker002:] no I have I have a house that uh has a a fairly good sized yard and uh I also I'm here by at night by myself because my husband works at night and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so I I wanted a dog for protection and we
[speaker001:] I can imagine
[speaker002:] and we got a Dalmatian
[speaker001:] that's a pretty big dog
[speaker002:] yeah and he
[speaker001:] that's a pretty dog though
[speaker002:] he's wonderful because uh he's really protective
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh that was probably our main reason for getting him but
[speaker001:] how's how's he like the cat or how's the cat like the dog I guess it
[speaker002:] oh he loves the cat the dog uh Sam our Dalmatian loves the cat but the cat just really doesn't care about the dog at all you know he'll slap at him and hiss at him and everything and the cat stays in all the time so
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's a uh you know barrier there but yeah
[speaker001:] I guess it's a good reason to to have a pet then as protection I guess is one thing
[speaker002:] hm yeah it is
[speaker001:] but uh I guess I they're a lot of company though yeah friendship they're an awful lot of company
[speaker002:] friendship yeah yeah oh Sam is very loving if if one of us are out in the yard you know he wants to jump and play and lick a typical puppy type atmosphere although he's
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] almost two years old but
[speaker001:] oh gee
[speaker002:] um yeah the cat is a lot of companionship
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] he just he's real old and he kind of lays around just wants you pet him and and that kind of thing
[speaker001:] doesn't doesn't get too excited about anything
[speaker002:] no not at all not at all
[speaker001:] he's not one of those cats that like to sit on top of the television is he
[speaker002:] no my mom has a cat though that does that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and that's kind of weird we haven't figured that out yet
[speaker001:] yeah I've I've noticed how they get black cats it seems like they always wanna sit on top of the television set and let their tail only when when there's something you really want to see then they let their tail down in front of the TV set in front of the screen and uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they they just seem to know I guess
[speaker002:] just intuition or something instinct in a way
[speaker001:] but uh it it sounds like you have pretty normal pets though I guess uh you know a lot of people I mean I guess I've never cared for birds or fish or um or gerbils or anything like that but dogs and cats are about the only thing I think of when I think of pets
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I've I've never had any the ones that you just mentioned I have had a rabbit
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it was pretty interesting and it was like a cat it stayed in the house all the time and it used a litter box
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] so it had free run of the house
[speaker001:] was it as was it as friendly as a cat or do you do you think you uh
[speaker002:] uh not not to strangers not strangers at all matter of fact it would run and hide but after it got to know you it was funny because it would jump up on the couch and sit right next to you you know and it kind of pants
[speaker001:] um-hum hm
[speaker002:] I didn't know a rabbit panted but they pant kind of like a dog
[speaker001:] neither did I huh
[speaker002:] and it's kind of funny because you can just sit there and pet them and my rabbit got real large I think he was thirteen pounds
[speaker001:] oh gee that is a big rabbit
[speaker002:] so he was really big that was kind of funny looking
[speaker001:] um-hum but uh was
[speaker002:] but he was a good guard
[speaker001:] was he
[speaker002:] yeah at he heard every little noise and you could tell when a car drove up or anything
[speaker001:] but but he's not much protection I would imagine
[speaker002:] oh no no no I don't think so
[speaker001:] not not not an attack rabbit or anything like that
[speaker002:] no nothing like that
[speaker001:] not real protective but uh well I I guess that's about to say about pets
[speaker002:] okay thanks bye-bye
[speaker001:] all right well very nice speaking to you bye-bye |
[speaker001:] Hi.
[speaker002:] Hi.
[speaker001:] I'm wondering what, what camping means to you.
[speaker002:] When I think of camping I think of, of bugs [LAUGHTER], and sleeping bags and, and tents, uh, like along the Appalachian Trail.
[speaker001:] Oh, very good. That's sort of the same thing that, that I do. I don't think of, um, trailers and campers and all this stuff.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] Um, do you do much camping?
[speaker002:] I have never been camping [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, you've never been camping. Oh, gee.
[speaker002:] No. Do you do much?
[speaker001:] Well, um, yes and no, and, the, uh, I haven't done much recently, but, um, up until, gee, maybe five or six years ago, I did a lot of it [throat clearing]
[speaker002:] Really,
[speaker001:] and, you know I've,
[speaker002:] Where you live now, or,
[speaker001:] Say?
[speaker002:] Did you camp up in Maryland, or,
[speaker001:] No, um, I used to live abroad, and so, I, I camped a lot in, um, the Middle East
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] and I was able to camp right in ruins, which was always very exciting
[speaker002:] Oh, I bet.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] and, a bit exotic [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] for those who love bugs, but, [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] um, and then when I used to come back to the states in summer we'd often go up, um, to the lake country in New York
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] with my brother's family and, and do camping there.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. Well, my cou-, uh, husband and, and his uncle especially, uh, grew up camping together, and, uh, they, they just love it, and they're planning a trip, uh, into Canada this, I guess in about a year, and they're going to spend about a week and a half camping up there,
[speaker001:] And you're not going?
[speaker002:] No, this is, this is a, a man's trip [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, that's too bad,
[speaker002:] So they're really looking forward to that
[speaker001:] Oh, gee.
[speaker002:] so.
[speaker001:] I guess it makes a difference. I grew up camping, being in Girl Scouts and things like that, so.
[speaker002:] And see I was, I was never exposed to it
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I, I feel like I'm a little bit too, uh, much of a city, city mouse to try doing it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, that's too bad. I think the-, you know, there's certainly a lot of aspects you would like, but maybe not the, yo-, you know the Canada men's trip, but some other, you know, a nice tent on the, the shore of a lake, and,
[speaker002:] What's the best part about it to, to you, the, the quiet, the getting away?
[speaker001:] Right, the, the, the no telephone, the, gee whiz, you go to bed when it gets dark,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] and you get up when it gets light [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and, um, I guess just, just the change,
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] from the rat race.
[speaker002:] Now, do you usually, like do you usually go and there's lots of other people around, or is it pretty much isolated.
[speaker001:] No, it's, uh, it's pretty isolated, um, and to me, I like that, I guess, too, although there are people, I mean, you know, it's really hard to get away
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] and I guess when, when we did sites in, in the Middle East, of course it was with a group, in order to make it safe
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] but, I mean, we'd go in different parts of the ruins, and, and things like that. But we didn't even have tents there, [LAUGHTER] we just sort of put out the sleeping roll [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, good grief.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That, that does sound neat, but I don't think I, I've got quite enough nerve to do that.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I know my husband's gone, uh, for several days on the Appalachian Trail before, and he said that you can, a lot of times you can go for, you know, a good day before you'll see or meet anybody else on the trail.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So it's not for the faint of heart, I don't think.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Right. Actually I just joined, um, the Appalachian Trail Walking Club, or whatever they call it, what, uh
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and I'm very eager to, to start, uh, I love to walk
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, um, I'm going to start with day trips, though, because I don't know the territory and all, and I'm not sure, my son is not eager to go and,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] you know, I think that, that that might be a little eerie at first, going alone.
[speaker002:] I think it would be,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, that sounds really neat.
[speaker001:] Oh, but, you know, I'm going to try [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] Well, gee whiz, I hope you get into camping some day, just slowly.
[speaker002:] I don't know, uh, we talk about sometimes going up to Chincoteague
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh, I, maybe, like you said, start out slow and, and kind of get used to it, and find out that it, maybe it's not as bad as I, I fear it might be [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right, I think that, you know, I guess one time recently we went up to Maine, and had planned to camp, and you know, the only site left when we got there was in the middle of a field, and I said, Gee whiz, for twenty dollars we can go down the road and get a, a motel
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] which we did, and, so that, you know, if the setting was right and that, it's, it's great, but if it's, |
[speaker002:] well I guess it depends on what age I'm in the thirty something so I know I mean I lived through it uh are you old enough to know about the war
[speaker001:] um just barely yeah I'm uh twenty nine so uh
[speaker002:] oh okay well yeah you're old enough but it was on the fringe
[speaker001:] yes but just uh yeah exactly had some friends over that were that were in it
[speaker002:] it ended when I was in uh college in uh when I turned nineteen in nineteen seventy I can't even remember at this point um when I turned nineteen it was the year that uh the draft was still going on if I had been a male or in Israel I'd have been number two
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] yeah so I learned a lesson in gender um in terms of the war I don't know um
[speaker001:] wowie uh-huh
[speaker002:] see actually I don't really know that much about it I just know socially the impact it had here and what you hear in the media you know um I guess I think it was not that great that we were in there um in terms of for how long it lasted
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know what do you think
[speaker001:] um-hum well I think it's uh basically the same way it's certainly has affected uh US policy though there's no question it had an overwhelming effect of how we approached the the thing in uh Iraq
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] because uh the whole thing that was bad about Vietnam was no different from Iraq I mean it was uh one country picking on a smaller weaker one
[speaker002:] right the devastation yeah
[speaker001:] yeah the only difference was that the government said okay if we're going to support this smaller country then we're going to support it a hundred percent and we're going to consider ourselves against in war against these people as well
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah and in full faction yeah
[speaker001:] which uh right which really wasn't the attitude with Vietnam it was sort of a president's war rather than a country's war
[speaker002:] yeah it just kind of dragged on um I don't know how you were historically but I was was a little bit older before I realized just how long it had been going on since LBJ and I mean I had yeah
[speaker001:] right yeah it seemed to me like it was it seemed like it was going on forever yeah
[speaker002:] it really well yeah in fact because in terms of when your there's at least ten years between us so in terms of when you were in school I'm sure that it was you know the majority of your high school and junior high years um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] one of the things I didn't like was the weapon the weapons I can't even say it the weaponry that systems that they used um it just didn't seem that um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know technically we knew what we were doing either then you heard about the things like agent orange et cetera and you'd think
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know just uh how could the government or the Pentagon uh whomever whomever's in charge there been so careless
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] of course now uh now everyone's more uh you know environmentally uh intelligent than they were back then I mean back then it wasn't commonly known that saccharin was bad for you and all these other things that people
[speaker002:] conscious yeah Nutrisweet yeah and all these other things that's true uh
[speaker001:] that people know about themselves now
[speaker002:] um monetarily too I just don't think we've done enough for the uh Vietnamese people as a whole um in South Vietnam in general in helping them restore themselves
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know and I don't know if it's because there aren't any oil fields there
[speaker001:] yeah I don't know if they uh I don't know if they have that resource or not
[speaker002:] yeah I mean I don't think they do but I just think it's kind of a shame that uh you still hear things about the children that are orphans there and um so on a whole I don't know war isn't good and that one I probably um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] my main opinion would be we shouldn't have done it
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] well that's what I know about the Vietnam War unless you have
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well you know a little uh a little bit more than I do explain it said I didn't uh get to live through it that the people that I know that it did
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh felt very strongly most of I work for a government contractor so most of the guys I work with are uh well at least some of the guys I work with rather are veterans
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum oh Vietnam
[speaker001:] and uh from Vietnam and I haven't talked to any of them that that weren't you know glad that they went or or rather thought that the reason they went was a good one
[speaker002:] jeez yeah um-hum and that that
[speaker001:] you know most of them are very very strongly that that the reason for America to be there was a good one they just felt that the way America backed them up wasn't wasn't at all right
[speaker002:] uh-huh in terms of the personal yeah the bitterness is more on a personal level than on a
[speaker001:] yeah in term of yeah personal level and and the finances how they started you know like air attacks and stuff like that dropped off like crazy because the Congress wouldn't approve you know yeah
[speaker002:] uh-huh the money's after yeah I mean I think it started actually like like in the late fifties I mean like in fifty eight fifty nine
[speaker001:] um I I
[speaker002:] so it really I mean because I know in nineteen sixty three I mean I was nine years old when Kennedy was shot
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so I mean I remember um right around then that that's when I first started hearing about Vietnam but then as I got older and studied in school I realized it was even going on before that
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know and you think to yourself oh my goodness Eisenhower that sounds ancient yeah and I know I know you know a lot of the Vietnam vets that are my age in their later thirties um guys that I know that
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] they're just kind of bitter you know they they you know I hate to quote that movie Born on the Fourth of July but it's that kind of idea
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know they just don't feel that socially they were given like a friend of mine called it the yellow ribbon syndrome yeah they weren't given the yeah so
[speaker001:] right right the ticker tape parade and all that
[speaker002:] well I won't keep you anymore that's probably about as much as we both but thanks for talking to me ah yes is that where you're at
[speaker001:] okay yes uh were you calling from Texas no I'm in Falls Church Virginia
[speaker002:] oh I know where that is that's beautiful where you're at
[speaker001:] yeah right right near DC
[speaker002:] DC yeah are you a native of there
[speaker001:] ah pretty much yep been
[speaker002:] yeah uh Dallas it is uh ninety two degrees here today but at least the humidity is uh below forty percent which makes it kind of like Phoenix
[speaker001:] yeah it's about the same weather here little bit little bit cooler like eighty nine but basically the same thing
[speaker002:] really well you yeah well you're not missing too much then
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] really well take it easy okay bye-bye
[speaker001:] okay bye-bye |
[speaker001:] okay we're talking about capital punishment
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] how do you feel about that Lenore
[speaker002:] I am very much for capital punishment
[speaker001:] well wonderful I am too one hundred percent
[speaker002:] my dad retired from the federal prison of bureaus and I've been raised around
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] prison prisons all my life and I believe if you don't have a punishment befitting the crime there's not any deterrent
[speaker001:] all your life huh uh-huh there's no deterrent that's right there's just no deterrent
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] and so many of those kind of people uh they got they have a better life in prison than they have on the street anyway so you know unless they really make it rough on them that's not a going to prison for a little while is not much of a deterrent I don't think
[speaker002:] especially not a federal prison
[speaker001:] right well I don't know what the Oklahoma's laws are but Texas is I don't know our I don't know it's it's no ones fault I mean it's not the judges fault I don't think it's just the way the law is down here man our crimes our uh prisons are so crowded that uh they can commit some pretty serious crimes and be set free within a year to two
[speaker002:] well see we were under uh the state prisons were under a mandate to uh it was over crowded and the federal came in and said hey you know you have either got to build more prisons or let people go
[speaker001:] well that's what ours did same thing
[speaker002:] and finally our governor at the time which who is not in office now came in and said okay where we draw the line is no sex offenders will be let loose under early bail you know or early uh out but uh we have
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] the death penalty is not given often
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but there have been
[speaker001:] it's not here either really
[speaker002:] and you know I maybe it should be uh well it should be given you know I I won't say sparingly but I do believe it should be befitting the crime
[speaker001:] I do too and and you know but the way the courts are set up they've they've got so many chances for appeal but I think that I think it needs to be expedited you know if they've been convicted and given them appeal and they're still convicted of of a crime that's deserving of of a lethal injection let's do it and not waste so many years to do it
[speaker002:] right course you know they're they're entitled to a speedy trial
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] but then they're they're also entitled to drag it through the courts for years and years and years on appeals so somehow you know it doesn't really balance out too much
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah that's right somehow it just doesn't it works and then again it takes too long for it to work
[speaker002:] and it seems even though you know that they got the prisoner himself can come to the point that hey I'm tired I just want out
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know I'm tired of fighting it then the system just keeps on
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and at that point you know I I really think there needs to be maybe a shorter
[speaker001:] yeah it it was
[speaker002:] appeal process
[speaker001:] I do too I think that needs to and I don't see why it couldn't be shortened considerably but you know
[speaker002:] well part of that is the overcrowding of the court system
[speaker001:] yeah that's true it is overcrowded because there's so much drug uh problem with the people on drugs because that they with the drugs they're they're robbing and killing and uh that's why it's filled the prisons up so much I think
[speaker002:] uh it doesn't it doesn't help them any at all and course your court system when you get into the appeals
[speaker001:] no it doesn't
[speaker002:] I don't believe criminal is in a court by itself and the whole judicial system is backed up with a lot of junk that shouldn't be in there
[speaker001:] yeah that's true with all these lawsuits and people suing people over things ridiculous things but
[speaker002:] we've gotten into a very litigious uh type of life
[speaker001:] boy haven't that we though we really have but anyway I'm glad to hear that you agree with me on the capital punishment I'm I'm very muchly for it always have been always will be
[speaker002:] well I just I just feel like their crime and punishment and if if you don't have the punishment you double your crime and that you know that is just personal feeling it's not going on facts I think the facts would probably back it up but
[speaker001:] it could be supportive it it's it's supported with facts though
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] it could very easily be supported with facts
[speaker002:] well yes I |
[speaker001:] what movies have uh have you seen lately
[speaker002:] well the last movie I saw was Ghost I there's a lot out that I'd like to see I just don't have much opportunity I have a small child and it's gets so expensive
[speaker001:] right well that's true that's true if you have to get a babysitter and everything else yeah
[speaker002:] but you have to either yeah so but uh what have you seen
[speaker001:] uh I've seen Ghost we really enjoyed that I thought that was a good movie
[speaker002:] yeah I thought that was pretty good
[speaker001:] I thought that was a good movie and uh about a week ago we went out and saw uh Silence of the Lambs
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure that movie out that was just uh uh I don't know I really I didn't really enjoy it that much
[speaker002:] I have a friend who saw that and told he me said I don't want said don't go see it it because you won't be able to sleep but I don't know from all I've read about it I I I really think I'd I I'd like to see it
[speaker001:] I think it you know it probably was a good movie I just uh really didn't get into it that much but uh everybody I've talked to has just loved it and they want to go back and see it you know two or three times
[speaker002:] yeah really um
[speaker001:] but uh there's a lot of little things that go on in the movie that you have to uh really pay attention to uh to get the total gist of it
[speaker002:] really yeah
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] well I do I enjoy going to the movies and I tell you I've try to there we have a dollar theater I don't know where do are you in Dallas or
[speaker001:] uh yeah in Dallas
[speaker002:] okay well I live in Carrollton
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and there's a new dollar theater that's real nice and so uh
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] see I took him and a friend to to see uh Kindergarten Cop a couple of weeks ago
[speaker001:] was that a pretty good movie
[speaker002:] you know it it was so uninteresting that I don't even remember what it was about
[speaker001:] oh really is that really
[speaker002:] the the kids seemed to enjoy it and then uh let's see uh before the week before that I took them to see Look Who's Talking Too which was just awful
[speaker001:] it was that bad huh oh was it
[speaker002:] I mean even the dollar it wasn't even worth a dollar uh the first one was much much better I in fact I enjoyed enjoyed the first one Look Who's Talking
[speaker001:] oh Lord right yeah I I saw the first one and I I thought that was you know pretty humorous
[speaker002:] but the second one's just it's more it really hardly has anything to do with the kids it's more about their relationship and they're just always fighting and they break up and they you know get back typical you know
[speaker001:] I see I see
[speaker002:] typical plot
[speaker001:] right huh
[speaker002:] so but I was real disappointed in that and then Kindergarten Cop like I said I you know I just I don't even remember it my mind must have just been somewhere else so
[speaker001:] don't even remember it right another movie that I've seen that was pretty good was uh Sleeping with the Enemy
[speaker002:] oh I'd like yeah I want to see that one too
[speaker001:] that was a good movie that that was one movie that uh I wasn't ready for it to be over with
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] it was pretty predictable towards the end but uh I still thought it was a good movie
[speaker002:] yeah I definitely want to see that have you seen uh The Doors
[speaker001:] no I haven't no I haven't
[speaker002:] I haven't seen that either I uh when it first came out it was like hey you know I've really got to go see this movie and now that it's been out awhile it's kind of like well maybe I don't really have to go see it
[speaker001:] right right and I haven't uh talked to anybody that's seen that I don't know uh what anybody's views are on
[speaker002:] yeah don't think I I haven't either and it's had terrible reviews
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I see have you seen the movie Flatliners it's out on video now
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I rented the video I thought that was pretty good
[speaker001:] yeah that was uh pretty suspenseful
[speaker002:] so my same friend that told me not to go see Silence of the Lambs also told me not to see Flatliners so I don't think I trust his judgment
[speaker001:] oh okay so they've got a they've got a weak stomach then huh
[speaker002:] I don't think I uh I think if uh I enjoyed Flatliners I rented that not to uh just about a week or so ago and I I like Julia Roberts
[speaker001:] right right she is a a good actress did you see uh oh that movie with her and Dolly Parton and Steel Magnolias
[speaker002:] seems like uh Steel Magnolias yeah I just watched that yesterday or Sunday I just watched that
[speaker001:] really I enjoyed that movie I thought that was a good movie
[speaker002:] yeah that was pretty good I heard it was a real tearjerker so I was pretty much prepared and I knew that she I knew that she died so I was prepared for that just I still cried but I was I was prepared for it
[speaker001:] prepared I see oh Lord
[speaker002:] and uh it seemed like every time I turn on the movie channel Pretty Woman is on
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] have you seen that that that's a good I think that's just a cute real cute movie
[speaker001:] yeah that really is and I didn't think that I was going to enjoy that uh just from what people had told me about it and and I thought well it's not going to be that good but I I really did enjoy that
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I did too
[speaker001:] and anymore uh my wife and I are getting bad we we wait until videos come out instead of going to the movie theater
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh for the very reason you know it's just so expensive
[speaker002:] well uh yeah with the dollar theater though I it's sometimes it's cheaper to pay a dollar to see it than to you know to pay it depends on where you rent your videos but
[speaker001:] that's true that's true plus a lot of movies you need to sort of see them in a theater you know it just makes them that much better
[speaker002:] yeah I'm glad that I'm glad that I saw Ghost before it went
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] because it's out on video now but it's still playing at the dollar theater I'm glad I got to s ee it there rather it's TV just doesn't have the same impact
[speaker001:] right right because you can always you'll either get interrupted with a telephone call or want to get up and leave and that just doesn't make the movie you know you need to just sit through it and and enjoy it
[speaker002:] yeah uh yeah for ones that you want to see again or you know ones that you really weren't sure if you wanted to see or not you know
[speaker001:] right right that you didn't want to waste the time or the the expensive movie ticket then the videos are worth it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] there's another one I want to see is uh uh Dances with Wolves
[speaker002:] I haven't seen that and I and I you know it of course won a lot of Academy Awards
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but I've heard that it's real it's a long movie
[speaker001:] that's what I've heard that uh
[speaker002:] like three hours
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] but uh I've heard the scenery is real good in it yeah
[speaker002:] really I've heard a lot of good things about it but I've also heard that it can it becomes slow
[speaker001:] oh there's parts in it that don't move yeah
[speaker002:] yeah so I don't know you know speaking speaking about making a three hour time commitment I don't know
[speaker001:] I bet that's true that's right that's all afternoon I'll tell you what but uh
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] but uh yeah there are a ton of movies out seems like a lot just uh you know the first three months of this year seemed like there's been a lot of movies come out
[speaker002:] I thought I wanted to see the The Marrying Man with uh Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger but then we saw a uh like a preview of it and it looks pretty formula you know
[speaker001:] yeah oh really
[speaker002:] so oh I don't know now if I want to see it now it's like now I'll probably wait until it's either at the dollar movie or on video
[speaker001:] or on the video that's right but
[speaker002:] and what else what else is out right now that I want to see
[speaker001:] uh let's see there was another movie that I saw a preview to that I wanted to see uh something about cowboys uh uh All My Heroes Are Cowboys or
[speaker002:] is that new
[speaker001:] yeah it's it's pretty new uh I'm trying to think who it's got in it
[speaker002:] I guess uh uh there's a song by that name I guess but it's not new
[speaker001:] uh yeah it's uh that song that Willie Nelson song is in it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um but it's about this this guy that's a rodeo big rodeo guy and he comes home to his dad
[speaker002:] oh okay yeah
[speaker001:] and he's I don't know in a rest home or something and then they go off and do something I don't really know what all it was but uh
[speaker002:] yeah I think I've seen you know commercials yeah
[speaker001:] yeah yeah they sound like that'd be a pretty good Western movie but I I don't know yet uh I'll just have to save my money I guess and splurge a little bit
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but well hey I appreciate the conversation
[speaker002:] yeah it was nice talking to you you have a good day bye
[speaker001:] okay you have a good day bye-bye |
[speaker001:] well how did you like that topic
[speaker002:] uh I don't know I've got mixed feelings about the topic
[speaker001:] do you I don't
[speaker002:] no okay
[speaker001:] no I'm pretty opinionated about that and many other things as you well know I agree with it I think uh I think a company should be able to test at any any employee anytime they see fit I just I just don't think there's a place in our environment environment you know in the work
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] force for drugs or alcohol either
[speaker002:] well I don't believe in drugs or alcohol but if you'll remember when the teachers had to take the TCAT
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] they were talking about drug testing us
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we were laughing that we'd have to go to that examination to prove we could read and write with a specimen of urine
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we found it belittling
[speaker001:] you did uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] well I can sort of understand that uh but not being a teacher as you are you know I I was not quite as sympathetic as you know as I probably would have been if if Kay were a teacher or something
[speaker002:] that's true
[speaker001:] but uh
[speaker002:] but then you know at the same token I'm not against because I look at airline pilots
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] bus drivers
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know people that really have other peoples' lives in their hands truck drivers it's supposed to be a huge problem with truck drivers using drugs
[speaker001:] that's right that's right that's that's right and I think it is a big problem with them using drugs from what you read you know but uh
[speaker002:] and alcohol and you know in those areas I really you know do believe that maybe we should clean up our you know house
[speaker001:] yeah I think so too I I agree with it uh I know Kay's company you know they started it couple of years ago and so many of the people even the professional people were boy they were so against them doing that you know and I thought jeez to me it's quite simple uh you either need a job or you don't the the job is what provides all of your needs and uh if they say hey you can't do this work I'd say hey I agree I don't I won't do that and I think most of them have agreed to that now although they didn't like it at first
[speaker002:] yeah I think it's just like anything else a new concept you know as I had said if I have to go to a testing area with my urine specimen I was insulted
[speaker001:] yeah it it it is I can see where you would think yeah that is belittling you know I'd probably feel the same way if I had to do that
[speaker002:] but at the same token in education we can't do drug drug random drug testing on kids
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] you know I mean their rights are protected
[speaker001:] you bet oh gosh they would they would really raise a stink if that was to happen
[speaker002:] what well but why if you're going to do teachers or professionals why not do the kids when we see them and they're you know under the influence
[speaker001:] right yes I agree with that I I I wouldn't be opposed to it at all it's just our bleeding heart liberals that would fight it tooth tooth and nail you know
[speaker002:] that's true
[speaker001:] but uh well Lynn I've enjoyed talking with you I don't know how long we're supposed to carry on a conversation do you
[speaker002:] it's three minutes and the clicker comes in when it's time to
[speaker001:] oh well we'd better keep talking because I've not heard it have we have you heard it
[speaker002:] yeah no
[speaker001:] anyway we both a sort of agree on it don't we about about random testing
[speaker002:] yeah well do we agree or unless it's it's not me you know here we go again I mean
[speaker001:] well you see I yeah yeah if you agree
[speaker002:] yeah you know I believe that truck drivers and people that have even though teachers have other kids lives in their hands and if they come in stoned or they come in drunk
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and there was an incident in my children's high school where a teacher stayed drunk
[speaker001:] is that right
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you just don't think of that happening with teachers
[speaker002:] and yet
[speaker001:] I really don't I when I think of drug testing I'm thinking of the uh you know outside of education
[speaker002:] uh well no it you know we are as susceptible a society as anybody else
[speaker001:] sure sure I know that but uh you don't think of that first hand normally
[speaker002:] and uh yeah well did you hear on the news where the teacher of the year was up for child molestation
[speaker001:] isn't that
[speaker002:] it was on the news tonight
[speaker001:] isn't that mind boggling goodness it it is it's mind boggling and well you know I agree with you I know teachers are just like everybody else same problems the same uh good qualities as anybody else
[speaker002:] yeah then I think you know if it came push came to shove I'd probably be drug tested
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] you know because it does you know
[speaker001:] you you think the benefit would be greater than the
[speaker002:] yeah because you know as I say I'm sitting there fussing and fussing and yet I know of you know one teacher who was an alcoholic
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] in school as well as you know I presume out
[speaker001:] and that was in your children's high school isn't that amazing
[speaker002:] um-hum and you know my children brought it to my attention I never was there to see it
[speaker001:] if it if it's if it was true there I'm sure it's true with just about probably to some degree every school there is
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know because they represent a pretty good uh
[speaker002:] and that's not giving a good example to students
[speaker001:] no certainly not uh certainly not they don't need that example but |
[speaker001:] okay what did you buy
[speaker002:] okay a Ford Explorer a a Ford Explorer
[speaker001:] I'm sorry what oh really
[speaker002:] yeah one of the new ones
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and um I'd I'd probably buy another this is the first American vehicle I've owned so I would probably purchase another one
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um I would be more selective in the dealership that I purchased it from but as far as uh the quality seems to be there um it's quiet it's it handles well um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but I believe I'd get that or a Porsche one of the two
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] no not
[speaker001:] um if I had the money I think I would love to own a a BMW
[speaker002:] and why would that be
[speaker001:] I don't know I from what or either that or Mercedes just because they're put together so well it seems like they last forever
[speaker002:] what's wrong with the Volvo
[speaker001:] oh I don't know they're they're not as nice looking
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] oh uh meant to me I don't know I'm sure there are some that are but everyone I've seen is kind of plain but
[speaker002:] what what what city are you calling from
[speaker001:] Sherman
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] where're you
[speaker002:] I'm Dallas um
[speaker001:] Dallas
[speaker002:] yeah BMW or Mercedes yeah well that's uh that's um
[speaker001:] if I had money um had the money I mean that's just I know I never would own one but uh I don't know I like my actual favorite cars is were uh like the Ford Thunderbirds of nineteen eighty five I really like that style body style
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but I don't own one of those neither
[speaker002:] what do you presently drive
[speaker001:] um Mercury Topaz
[speaker002:] um fun
[speaker001:] cheap taste cheap taste in cars okay
[speaker002:] well there nothing wrong with those uh
[speaker001:] yeah they're all right it's it's a good car I mean I've never had any problem with it
[speaker002:] they're they're nice vehicles they're nice vehicles nothing wrong with those it um it's just everybody has their own taste but man the Mercedes are expensive my wife has a Volvo and it it's nice I mean you know it's okay an
[speaker001:] sorry I roped on Volvos then
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] sorry I roped on Volvos then
[speaker002:] oh no no no no no no no it it I I kind of wish we would have maybe gone for the GL rather than the DL but because they it is the safest car on the road um oh yeah
[speaker001:] oh is it see I don't much about them I guess
[speaker002:] yeah they're the safest that's the reason why we mainly got it we got white and it's the safest four door and it's good for if you have a family which we do we just we just dominated everyone out and so it's it's uh um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know they're kind of low to the ground after driving the Explorer you know I presently I used to have a two eighty Z and I'm a tall guy and and uh they're hard to get around in traffic to see because you can't see a car ahead of you but they're fast as lightning and all that crap but the Explorer I mean you're sitting up on top of everything and you can really see real well and I just it's it's so comfortable and
[speaker001:] really uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh so you're what are your feelings about American versus European cars
[speaker001:] um I like anything besides Japanese course everything has Japanese parts in them anymore I don't like Japanese cars but uh
[speaker002:] why not
[speaker001:] European I don't have have any I mean those are the kind I usually end up liking the most American cars a lot of people say they they don't last long but I've never had any problem with um my Mercury or my Cougar my husband has a uh Cougar and he's never had any problem with it either so I don't know
[speaker002:] that's the way it goes I guess
[speaker001:] well what are your I guess this is your first time to buy American so
[speaker002:] yeah I was real hesitant but it was
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know uh I mean I think European cars are great course you've got to have metric wrenches and stuff and they're easy some some of them are easy to work on a Volvo being a four cylinder is very easy to work on uh excellent warranty I mean just unbelievable warranty
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] and and uh course Ford isn't too bad I think Chrysler would probably make a good vehicle uh but all of it has to do in my opinion with the service and the attitude of the service of the dealership
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I wouldn't send my dog to buy a car from Middlekauff Ford there's Middlekauff Ford in Plano
[speaker001:] where okay
[speaker002:] their just their attitude is just slimy and and uh I've written a a letter to Middlekauff and I've told them that matter of fact I got another letter last night from the Quality Ford Division they're still concerned about my attitude and it it will never change about that place and uh but uh anyway that's my own personal comment I guess but
[speaker001:] yeah this girl that works for me just bought a car down there and she they they had a problem with they uh took their Camaro in to get it traded and they they hadn't signed any papers and they had all ready uh taken it in to paint it and everything and everything was stolen out of it and the people um wouldn't reimburse reimburse them for anything
[speaker002:] Middlekauff wouldn't she needs to find herself a lawyer she'd she'd come out like a champ on that one
[speaker001:] yeah so I've heard some stuff about them but um
[speaker002:] so have have you been using well anyway
[speaker001:] what
[speaker002:] that was I was asking you some questions about the telephone and how long and how many have you been doing but that's they they don't want to hear that but
[speaker001:] oh just just about a week
[speaker002:] is that all a week
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] good Lord I think I started in January or February oh God I've I'm like twenty some phone calls
[speaker001:] so really oh wow
[speaker002:] that's why I I wasn't sure if this was the second time around or what well look I've enjoyed speaking with you
[speaker001:] yeah you too
[speaker002:] and keep smiling
[speaker001:] okay thanks bye
[speaker002:] bye bye |
[speaker001:] what I mean hobbies do you enjoy
[speaker002:] uh well lets see I suppose I could say I enjoy joy crocheting um gardening knitting uh hiking
[speaker001:] do you have a lot of spare time to do it in or is it something you kind of have to make time for
[speaker002:] well it seems like I don't have time for them but I'm I don't work full-time or anything
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I sell Avon and Stanley products
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but it's that's not you know the same as an eight hour job
[speaker001:] well it can't from what I've heard understood it can can be
[speaker002:] yeah it's it's up to the person
[speaker001:] sometimes yeah well I I enjoy needlepoint although boy I guess I got myself burned out I did too much too fast and
[speaker002:] uh uh-huh
[speaker001:] for some reason my eyes aren't quite what they used to be either
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and um
[speaker002:] you sound young
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I am but I I don't know it's just maybe it's the light but
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and um I enjoy photography as a hobby
[speaker002:] oh good
[speaker001:] and boating and horseback riding although I'm recovering from back surgery so it's going to be awhile before I can do either one of those
[speaker002:] uh-huh um um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and bowling and right now my biggest hobby I guess since um you know recovering is watching television and playing Nintendo with my son
[speaker002:] yeah that could be a little boring sometimes I guess too but
[speaker001:] and I do enjoy reading
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um I do read a lot read quite a lot
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I enjoy reading different types of things
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I enjoy reading novels then uh you know more serious stuff
[speaker002:] how how old is your little boy
[speaker001:] today is his birthday yeah yeah
[speaker002:] oh is it really oh how old
[speaker001:] six
[speaker002:] oh that's nice my baby's expecting her first baby this month say yes
[speaker001:] oh really oh how exciting that could it's always
[speaker002:] so our children our children are all grown up
[speaker001:] do they live close by
[speaker002:] just one of them
[speaker001:] the one that's going to have the baby well that's good you that will be your new hobby then taking care of grandbaby
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] um my sister's going to have a baby this summer
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so but I guess that's a little off the subject
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know I've tried various things I've tried to get interested in things like refinishing furniture woodworking or um ceramics but it just seems like it's so expensive to break into something new
[speaker002:] um um-hum
[speaker001:] that um you know with my I've got quite enough of an investment in my photography equipment
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that
[speaker002:] we we had for a while done uh well we still do a lot of picture taking in that and uh we're in the process of putting our eight millimeter
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh films and now the kids and I were going to put them on video
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and we're we're in the process of doing that right now and
[speaker001:] are you doing that yourself
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] how do you do it
[speaker002:] uh we bought the equipment uh that you do it with
[speaker001:] you don't have to I mean is the something that you don't have to see it as you it's not like your
[speaker002:] well the you buy this little little piece of equipment and you use your video camera of course and uh your projector
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum oh okay that's what I wondered
[speaker002:] and the combination you the way you connect you know connect them up
[speaker001:] do they make good quality copies do you think
[speaker002:] uh I think it's going to we were a little worried there was a lot of background noise on it but uh we can hook it into our uh stereo system after we get the pictures all done
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we can hook it into our uh a video or uh stereo system and uh put music to the film and that will cut out all the background the noise of the uh recorder running and that
[speaker001:] yeah oh well that's nice
[speaker002:] because the projector made a lot makes a lot of noise
[speaker001:] yeah I remember those we've never had one my parents never had one but um
[speaker002:] yeah and uh so that's been kind and our darkroom is very we have a darkroom but it's very dusty
[speaker001:] oh that's my dream I guess is to have my own darkroom
[speaker002:] we we're real active in it for a long time but you know you get busy and
[speaker001:] yeah um
[speaker002:] the kids grow up and
[speaker001:] they're expensive to maintain just the chemicals are expensive
[speaker002:] yeah we mainly just did a bit of black and white it's
[speaker001:] yeah I would still like black and white
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] to me black and white is photography color is more snapshot
[speaker002:] oh you can really get some good really good pictures in black and white
[speaker001:] yeah you really can people don't realize that
[speaker002:] that um-hum
[speaker001:] not realize that black and white it nowadays it's actually more expensive than uh color
[speaker002:] um-hum it's hard to even find film or anything
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah but uh
[speaker001:] and I well I used to I learned how to knit when I was little my grandmother knitted a lot
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and she knitted all the time
[speaker002:] did she
[speaker001:] and uh before she passed away and made some beautiful things but I've never really learned how to do more than the basic
[speaker002:] oh that's great yeah yeah I don't do a whole it uh time seems to be hard to find for anything you want to do I don't know why
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you
[speaker001:] yeah I know
[speaker002:] you'd think I'd have a lot of time but
[speaker001:] yeah you'd think I would too but you know
[speaker002:] but I I I'm knitting an afghan for the baby and I haven't worked on this for several weeks I just haven't got back to it
[speaker001:] um when's the baby due
[speaker002:] the twenty ninth
[speaker001:] time to get busy do you know if it's going to be a boy or a girl
[speaker002:] I don't know
[speaker001:] I don't know
[speaker002:] they don't really care what they have
[speaker001:] is it her first one
[speaker002:] yeah yeah they didn't want to know so uh
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] but but I do enjoy it I I I enjoy painting some too but I I really really have trouble finding time I did did some toll painting for a while and I started doing a still life and it's it never got finished
[speaker001:] yeah that's something I've it's interesting to me people who watch people who are that know how to paint I just felt like that's something I've never been very good at or very good at drawing or anything
[speaker002:] well had have you watched any of these things on TV these large brush
[speaker001:] I've watched uh I've yeah here and there but they make it look uh I I know that you know they just make it look so easy but I know it I'm smart enough to know that it's not quite that easy
[speaker002:] um-hum well once you start it apparently it's not bad some of the girls have gone into the call age group Claritin University is just not too far from here
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] they've gone in and uh done a class on the large brush and actually did the painting
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and you know they've never done anything and they come out pretty nice
[speaker001:] yeah I've yeah and I know a girl that used to do it and hers did too but I just don't think see myself whipping out masterpieces in thirty minutes like they do on the shows do you enjoy cooking
[speaker002:] yeah I like to cook
[speaker001:] I like to cook but I've really gotten away from it it's with just two my son and myself it's just not
[speaker002:] yeah I don't do a lot of fancy cooking
[speaker001:] to me it's just he you know I hate you know hate to admit this but we live on frozen food
[speaker002:] well it depends on what it is uh you know well now we I we garden have a small garden and I can I do canning
[speaker001:] yeah they have
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] yeah I like gardening that's of course that's something I can't do with my back
[speaker002:] uh yeah
[speaker001:] and uh my back
[speaker002:] that's too bad was it lower back or
[speaker001:] yeah my dad's grew up on a farm and he always had gardens and we always had fresh vegetables which I just really like and
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah that's one thing that our gardening we're getting it my husband he's retired but he's having trouble now and he's not not allowed to mow the grass we have a lot of grass takes me about four hours to do our lawn
[speaker001:] um oh you have to do it oh gosh
[speaker002:] and uh and you know he's really shouldn't run the
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and things like that so it makes it a little bit difficult but I I do love to garden my kids loved it because I never allowed anybody in my garden that didn't like to do it I didn't want anybody in my garden I was a grump
[speaker001:] do you garden vegetables or flowers or both or mostly vegetables
[speaker002:] yeah mostly vegetables I had grew some flowers but mostly vegetables
[speaker001:] yeah there's nothing like fresh vegetables picked out of the garden
[speaker002:] yeah yeah uh
[speaker001:] but well it's been nice talking to you
[speaker002:] yes well I hope you have a nice birthday today for your son
[speaker001:] well you too well he's having his party until Friday but
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] he knows today today after the little something today because he knows it's his birthday to make it special but
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] well you have a nice day okay bye-bye
[speaker002:] okay you too and thanks a lot bye-bye |
[speaker001:] what kind of movies have you been seeing lately
[speaker002:] uh it's been probably a month or so since I've been to the movies uh course my my favorite now is is Dances With Wolves
[speaker001:] oh it's an excellent movie
[speaker002:] uh Silence of the Lan uh of the Lambs was good
[speaker001:] Silence of the Lambs
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] what was that anyway because I didn't get a chance to see it
[speaker002:] oh it's a I guess it's a mystery you'd call it it's with uh Jodie Foster
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and it uh it's pretty good another one that I think I really liked was uh The Fisher King
[speaker001:] um-hum let's see who was in Fisher King that was um Robin Williams and uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and um I can't say the other fellow's name
[speaker002:] how about you what are you
[speaker001:] uh we've not been having many opportunities to see movies lately um we really enjoyed um Dead Poet's Society
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] um several years back when we saw uh we saw the we really really enjoyed was uh Ordinary People with um Timothy Hutton and uh Mary Tyler Moore and uh uh who played the father anyway excellent movie
[speaker002:] right that was that was an excellent movie have you seen Dances With Wolves
[speaker001:] yes we have
[speaker002:] that what'd you think of it
[speaker001:] oh we loved it
[speaker002:] I don't think I can see it enough times
[speaker001:] I know what you mean I know what you mean
[speaker002:] course I'm a Kevin Costner fan
[speaker001:] yeah um pretty impressed with stuff he's done uh he made kind of an odd sounding Robin Hood but uh I mean you know basic thick western US accent for a Robin Hood just doesn't seem to fit but
[speaker002:] no but you know it wasn't bad movie it got such bad reviews really and and I thoroughly enjoyed it but I then I wasn't expecting any classic either
[speaker001:] oh no it was a good movie well um they did a real good job with it
[speaker002:] I thought so
[speaker001:] um they didn't try to make him super human or you know invincible they just he worked hard at it
[speaker002:] have you seen The Fisher King
[speaker001:] no I haven't not had the opportunity to see that uh
[speaker002:] uh it you you know I guess it it really isn't for everybody it's it's pretty deep and and uh uh philosophical
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but I thought it had a wonderful message to it it's kind you came out and looked at somebody says you know I think I liked that and then the more you got to thinking about it the more you thought you know I did like it
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] but when you first came out you weren't real sure
[speaker001:] it sounds kind of like one uh we saw at home here on the we rented it um Clara's Heart
[speaker002:] haven't seen that
[speaker001:] um it's Whoopi Goldberg
[speaker002:] oh yes I did yes I did
[speaker001:] yeah she played a uh they um
[speaker002:] uh nanny the nanny type
[speaker001:] she was a housekeeper yeah she's a housekeeper she
[speaker002:] housekeeper uh-huh
[speaker001:] she was um oh no I can't say it not Haitian anyway she uh she seemed to be that sort of person that you know about seems half crazy but then again she's got a whole lot on the ball and the movie had the whole uh a lot of philosophical content more than more than you know it it wasn't a mystery it wasn't a you know blood and guts and violence and and and car chases type thing it was just a good movie
[speaker002:] I saw one the other day that was A Kiss Before Dying
[speaker001:] a Kiss Before Dying
[speaker002:] um-hum I had not heard about it when it was on the movies but was out on video
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and it's with Sean Young
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and it's a it's a mystery it was very predictable I mean you knew you knew when the murder was gonna happen or something but it was still so well done
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that it was enjoyable
[speaker001:] that's that takes a good bit to make one that's predictable but still worth watching
[speaker002:] that's right I had uh oh uh I like the I think it's called the uh Razor's Edge the no no the Jagged Edge the Jagged Edge
[speaker001:] not familiar with that one oh okay
[speaker002:] with uh |
[speaker001:] Lynn, do you, do you want to start?
[speaker002:] Certainly.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Um,
[speaker001:] Do you want to tell me about summer vacations you've taken or,
[speaker002:] Well, I, I tend to, uh, take two kinds of vacations, the vacations to visit family
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the vacations to just have a week being cultural and going to the theater and doing sight-seeing and things like that.
[speaker001:] Which is your favorite?
[speaker002:] Oh, well, I couldn't live without the family vacations, but, uh, my favorite is the, the indulgent ones, where we go off and, and, uh, see places that have interested me since I was a kid,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] for the most part. And, uh,
[speaker001:] Your family doesn't live close, then?
[speaker002:] Uh, not anymore. They, uh, [breathing] they've been in San Diego for the last few years, and they're moving to Florida.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And that's one of those things, you just have to go once a year.
[speaker001:] Yep, I understand.
[speaker002:] So, uh, basically it, it sorts out into that, and then once, about once every three or four years I try to get over to England, because I lived there for a while,
[speaker001:] Wow.
[speaker002:] some years back.
[speaker001:] I've only been there once.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and I'd love to go back.
[speaker002:] Beautiful [breathing] country. Beautiful country,
[speaker001:] And it was,
[speaker002:] beautiful people.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it,
[speaker002:] But, uh, and I'd real,
[speaker001:] we had a great time.
[speaker002:] really like to go because, um, I'm fairly recently married and, and my husband has been hearing about these people for years and, uh, but he's never met them, so, uh, I'd like, I'd like to do that. But anyway, that's, that's our typical vacation, and, uh, we enjoy the family vacations, but the other ones are very special getaways, and we probably take one of each every year. How about yourself?
[speaker001:] Well, uh, we, we, as you do, take family vacations, uh, sometimes one a year, and, but this year we're not going to be taking one for [breathing] several reasons. But vacations we really enjoy, I think we've been on three cruises.
[speaker002:] Oh, I've never,
[speaker001:] And we,
[speaker002:] been on a cruise.
[speaker001:] we really love cruises. We've gone on CARNIVAL CRUISE LINES.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, we've gone fairly inexpensive from, as most cruises go. Uh, we usually book just a month before it's ready to go.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And we get upgraded. Last ti-, last two times, in fact, we had an outside room and it was beautiful.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And we like not having to take our suitcase in and out of hotel rooms and drag it all around. It's kind of,
[speaker002:] Well, what do you do on a cruise? I've never been on a cruise.
[speaker001:] Oh, my God, you do everything.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] You, I mean, you can be as busy as you want to be, or as laid back as you want to be. You can sit in the sun all day around the pool, or you can take part in the games that they have going on. They always have bingo. They have a casino. Uh, they have a massage parlor. They have exercise, I mean, you can do anything.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] And that's just aboard ship. And then when the ship docks, you get to go sight-seeing and shopping.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And that's quite fun.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. And where have you been on these cruises?
[speaker001:] Uh, Nassau, San Juan, Saint Thomas. We've been there twice. We went two cruises that hit those islands, but with different people. We, we've gone with friends each time.
[speaker002:] I see.
[speaker001:] And then we went to, uh, the western Caribbean, which is, uh, Port, uh, Cancun, Cozumel,
[speaker002:] Oh, the, the Mexican coast.
[speaker001:] and Ocho Rios. Pardon me?
[speaker002:] That's all Mexico, I think.
[speaker001:] Yes, uh-huh. And, but it was wonderful. So we really like those. And, uh, I guess we just like to go someplace, someplace entirely different. We've been to a few places in this country. We still have a lot to see, though.
[speaker002:] Where are you from originally?
[speaker001:] We're from Illinois originally.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And we've been down in Texas eighteen years, and so, like you, we always try to make it, you know, back home to see the relatives. We both still have family there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And that's fun. It brings back a lot of memories.
[speaker002:] Oh, yes.
[speaker001:] Uh, things are different there, though. They're, uh, I don't know. It's just entirely different world than this area.
[speaker002:] Well, I, I grew up in Dallas, so I mean,
[speaker001:] Did you?
[speaker002:] it's not, it's not like I'm going home. My,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] my parents retired first to San Diego, and they're going now to Florida, and so they're going very nice places, thank God,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that will be a pleasure to visit and get to know. I really came to love San Diego and feel very,
[speaker001:] [Buzz].
[speaker002:] comfortable there. They've been there eight years.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, you know, I just grab the car and drive everywhere.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's great.
[speaker002:] So it, it is, it is nice, but it's not home. This is home, and, um, and I've never thought about a cruise. It's so funny.
[speaker001:] Oh, they, they, they really are. We've, yeah, as I said, we've done them three times. We'd be going again this, this year if circumstances hadn't changed. We,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] we'd probably go. My husband would, you know, the minute I said the word, he, he, he's chomping at the bit.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] He kind of likes the casinos a little bit.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But I like all of that.
[speaker002:] What's the best part, from your point of view?
[speaker001:] I like seeing other countries and shopping in other places.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I like shopping. I can shop anyplace, shop in London and France and wherever. Now, my kids are moving to Toronto, so we're going to be able to go up there.
[speaker002:] Oh, that will be nice.
[speaker001:] So I'm kind of looking forward to that, except I hate to see them go.
[speaker002:] Oh, sure.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] Sure. Well, go in, don't go in the winter.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's what everybody says, and I, I think it's, I think I'll try to stay away, except my, my second grandchild will be born in [breathing] in the winter in January.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] So that will be hard to stay away from.
[speaker002:] Well, th-, there are exceptions made for special occasions like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But the ordinary thing is to stay out of the north in the winter and get out of Texas in the summer so,
[speaker001:] Isn't that the truth, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Huh. Well, that sounds wonderful. I, I guess I, I would contemplate going on a cruise, uh, oh, all circumstances permitting it.
[speaker001:] Well, there's all age grou-, groups too, and that's, that's kind of fun. Uh, you, if you sit at a table with a lot of people for your meals, you meet different people.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You may meet people, you know, thirty years older than you, or younger, and everybody is really interesting, and everybody is there to have a good time and,
[speaker002:] Huh. How long are the cruises?
[speaker001:] Uh, we've only gone on the seven day cruises.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They have shorter ones and then they have ten day ones. But I think seven days is long enough for us. By that time we're [breathing] ready to get home and get back to our routine.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think most vacations, uh, seven days is enough for us. We've gone, I think when we went to England and France, we were there ten, twelve days, and that was pushing it a bit.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Uh, I tend, when, when I spend enough money to go overseas [LAUGHTER], I,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] go for a long time.
[speaker001:] Well, that, that makes sense, it really does. I mean, oh, we went to Panama too.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's interesting.
[speaker001:] Went to Panama last August.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Our son-in-law is from Panama.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, we went with our daughter and son-in-law to visit his parents, who live there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And his father is a, a doctor and his mother is a kindergarten teacher, and they took time off, it was [breathing] their winter and they were having a little break, so they took some time off that, uh, they could show us around. And it, it is a beautiful country.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] It is beautiful. They have mountains. We were an hour away from the mountains or an hour away from the shore.
[speaker002:] That's really nice.
[speaker001:] And it, it is gorgeous. They live in a small town called David, which is northern Panama up near Costa Rica.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, it's, it's just, it's just a gorgeous country. Most people don't realize it. I think if they could get tourists coming to their country, they'd improve the economy considerably.
[speaker002:] Huh. Well, may, maybe now things are calming down again.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] That will happen.
[speaker001:] We really hope, hope so.
[speaker002:] Well, that, that's really great. Uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I, I mean, as I said, basically all I've done is go back and forth to parents and, uh,
[speaker001:] Well, that, that's, that's pretty good.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's pretty good.
[speaker002:] And, and, uh, we had, my husband had a conference in L A, so we spent a week in L A and of course,
[speaker001:] Oh, do you like L A?
[speaker002:] Uh, I'm, I'm, I'm very unusual. I like, |
[speaker001:] Hi.
[speaker002:] [Noise] [sounds like child's record] Hi, I'm Carol, and I'm calling from Garland, Texas.
[speaker001:] Yeah, this is I'm in Dallas.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. Because yesterday I talked to someone upstate, I'm not even sure where, and my husband talked to the people in Utah, so. Um, anyway, let me press one.
[speaker001:] Okay [beep].
[speaker002:] Okay, um, let me see, I think we've only planned one [LAUGHTER] family reunion in our life, so
[speaker001:] I.
[speaker002:] we don't do this too often. Um, most of my family's in California, but my husband's is in San Antonio, and so we did this in San Antonio, and, um, it was an experience that I, I won't do again [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] How big a family do you have?
[speaker002:] Um, well, it wasn't that big of a family, but, um, it just got out of hand, and, um, so many people were coming that we were trying to figure out how much food we were going to need and, and, um, how much, um, beverages we were going to need and this and that, and oh, it just grew and grew and grew, and, um, when the time came, only about half that [LAUGHTER] amount of people came. So, it wasn't, you know, you have to really just get an accurate amount, and, but overall we all had a good time. We saw people we hadn't see in a while so,
[speaker001:] Did you have people coming from far away?
[speaker002:] No. It was all in the San Antonio area [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well sometimes.
[speaker002:] But it, it just kept growing and growing and growing and growing, and we're going, Oh, my gosh. So.
[speaker001:] Well you have, you have the family lives too close together, they see each other too often
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, basically.
[speaker001:] they don't take that kind of thing seriously.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And if, uh
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] uh, they come from far away, it's, uh, it, it, they take it more seriously and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, I think you're right.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Noise] [child's record] Yeah.
[speaker001:] My family's not very big but, uh, we're kind of.
[speaker002:] Your family's from where?
[speaker001:] Well, I have a, a, a brother lives in Indianapolis, a sister lives in Chicago, and my folks live back in Buffalo, New York.
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] Uh, I guess we have reunions about once a year or so.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We got together over Christmas. My wife's family, they're, they're all in, most of them are in upstate New York. They have regular, uh, regular family reunions every summer.
[speaker002:] Oh, those are nice.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it is.
[speaker002:] And I'm, I'm sure they're a lot more organized too, because they've done it before.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and it's, it's just something that they, they plan on doing every summer. They just have
[speaker002:] That's great.
[speaker001:] a weekend picnic, and every year everyone asks
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] when is it happening and where is it happening
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and they just plan on being here.
[speaker002:] That makes a big difference, too. I know everybody's real eager to participate. Yeah, well that's great.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they, they had a family reunion for, uh, well, for my mother-in-law at her seventy-fifth birthday, and they managed to get just about everybody, everybody into town, uh, last November
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] including a number of people from out in California.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] So it was a, it was good, it, uh
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] it worked out very well. One in-, interesting thing that they did at the time is they, um, they videotaped the, the whole shebang
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] which, it made a nice remembrance of, of the entire party.
[speaker002:] Yeah, more people want to come back again.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they want to come back.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's good.
[speaker001:] So, so that, that works pretty well that way.
[speaker002:] My, uh, my grandmother in California is, um, [throat clearing] this is my dad's part, side of the family is planning a reunion, um, this spring, but we [LAUGHTER] won't be going because, um, I don't know how they thought of this, it's going to be on a cruise, and, um, it seems like most of the family is, uh, going, you know, all the nieces and all the grandchildren and all that are, most of them are going, but it's too costly for us. But anyway, they're going to go on a cruise, and, um, it sounds really neat, it really does.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I can go for that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] What, what do, I guess interesting if you had a, a, a very extended family that, that kind of involved a lot of people that
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] cousins and things that you don't really know, that you've never met, it'd be interesting to meet a lot of those people.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, I don't know how you would go about, uh, getting them together, but that, that would be, uh.
[speaker002:] And a friend of mine, um, she plans her family reunion, um, every year, and they go camping, and she says they have the greatest time, and she says, usually everybody shows up in exception to maybe one person, but she said they all go camping, and they have a really good for the whole weekend. So, that's.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I kind of wonder what, what kind of tradition we're going to establish for our family. I had hoped that our, our kids get together at least regularly.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Right now we only have two children so I, |
[speaker001:] Well Brent, I've been, um, I kind of gave up my career about three years ago to stay home with my children because I thought, uh, if it, it's only going to be another year until the youngest is in school.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And I thought it was a good sacrifice to make,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] because, um, it was important to me to, to spend some time with kids. I know that when I was in school and getting my degree at the same time my husband was, it was really hard on our family because I would, he would come home and I would leave,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and then when I would come home and he would leave, and, um, so I think one day one of our kids said, you know, someone came home and they said, well, when is dad leaving or something. It was like that [children] they thought that's the way life was,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that you didn't have two parents at home at the same time. And so I think, um, it's become real important to me that we try to spend time together as a family. So there's one or two nights a week, we have a, on Monday nights we set aside time where it's called, uh, family home evening and we stay home that evening, all of us, and we do things together.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. You must be a.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] So am I.
[speaker001:] Oh, you are?
[speaker002:] Yes, what a coincidence.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yes and,
[speaker002:] Yeah, I know what family home evening's all about.
[speaker001:] So you do that and, right, and then we try to do a family activity on Saturday,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] usually in the morning.
[speaker002:] Right, and then the family home evening, too.
[speaker001:] Right, and then, you know, sometimes we try to do our lesson on Sunday night and then our activity or something on Monday but,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] We're, it's real important to us to spend time together.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good. Um, how many children do you have?
[speaker001:] I have two.
[speaker002:] Two?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] What, what do you have?
[speaker001:] I have a girl and a boy, and the boy's five, he's in kindergarten, and the girl is four. She'll be in kindergarten next year.
[speaker002:] Five and four.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I have two daughters.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] My oldest is, uh, four and my youngest is about to turn three.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Two girls.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And they are a handful [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] They are a handful.
[speaker002:] Yes. We've, my, uh, well, when we first got married, my wife worked for a year. Then we decided to have kids.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, she, she got pregnant and then we decided she would stay home with the kids. We would make that sacrifice. It is a financial sacrifice to make because we go from two incomes down to one.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, we made that decision and, uh, so sh-, after she had the first baby, she stayed home. And, and we had a second baby and she's still at home [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yes.
[speaker002:] And so, uh, you know, at work a lot of people are, you know, I think well this is not a normal situation anymore in our, in our world we live in. Most of them, uh, continue to work if they have, have kids.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I only have one other person I know in my, in my group here that works where the wife stays home, and that's because of religious values as well. They're Baptists and they, and they think that's important.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But everybody else works and they drop their kids off at day-care and, and leave them and, I don't know, I just don't want, I just don't want strangers raising my children.
[speaker001:] Well, no, and it's, it's just not, um, it's not as stable for the kids,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and they, everybody decided to come over and talk to me right now. But, uh, it's, yeah.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's how it is at our house when you're on the phone. Oh, it's open, anything goes when mom's on the phone [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, it's also important, I think, um, for my husband. I, I try to go out of my way to, to plan things that he can do with the kids because,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] since I am home with them and so I get a lot of time with them, he needs to have, um, some time with them. So he, when he comes home, he, um, you know, it's his job at night. He puts the kids to bed,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and he reads to them,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and he spends about an hour doing that, and that's, that's pretty good quality time,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] with them, and, um, but it's hard for him on Saturdays. He, he wants,
[speaker002:] With all the yard work and things like that.
[speaker001:] Right, he wants to run out and get things done, and so, um, I try to say, well, why don't you go fly kites or why don't you
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] do something. And if I have something in mind, then he, he remembers that,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that's what he wants to do.
[speaker002:] Right, we feel that, you know, just spending time together. You don't necessarily have to be doing anything, you know, that costs money or, or, you know, that requires you to go a great distance or anything like that. It's just the kids like to, being together as a family.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Like last Saturday we went, had some errands to run and so we took the kids and, and went by the Farmers Market down in, in, down there in Garland.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And they had a blast running around the Farmers Market looking at all the, you know,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] the food and tasting all the free samples they were giving out. And they had a little pen there with animals in they could pet, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and they liked that. And then on the way home we drove by the local high school and there happened to be an F A, F A A, Future Far-, F A, Future Farmers of America, F F A
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] going on there, and they had all kinds of pigs and horses and goats and sheep and everything, you know, all out in this, in the, in this schoolyard there. So we just said, hey, let's stop and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the kids got to go around and, you know, see pigs and animals and things like that, and, and for them that's wonderful, you know. They, they thought it was the greatest fun, you know, and it didn't cost any money. And, uh, you don't have quite as much money when, when the wife doesn't work.
[speaker001:] Well, that's right. But I do think, um, you know, like the current trends are that, um, the family unit is devaluated. It's not
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] nearly as important. We find that, you know, back just even fifty years ago when people had financial problems, the first place they went to was their family.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And families took care of themselves and, um, but now, you know, people don't, they don't
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] support each other that way.
[speaker002:] Right. Oh, definitely motherhood is devalued in this s-, society. If you're, stay at home and you're a mother, it's like what a waste.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] People think, you know, you should be fulfilling yourself and, and a mother isn't an important
[speaker001:] That's right and,
[speaker002:] important thing as, as having a career and, and that should be first and, and children second. But they don't have kind of an, what we call an internal perspective of things.
[speaker001:] Right, right,
[speaker002:] But that,
[speaker001:] And it's not an easy sacrifice for a person to make,
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] because, you know, I, you know, I have interests that,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] too, and it is hard to make, uh, those interests not be as a major part of my life.
[speaker002:] Uh, at this point.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It's not to say that some day you won't go back to work. My mother's a school teacher and when, when we started, uh, having kids, she had to work for a little while, but then she just started substituting.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So she would just substitute once or twice a week, you know, just for that little extra money when we were in school. Then we would just come home and just be, you know, go to a neighbor's house for an hour, then she'd be home. But she wouldn't do that every day.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But now that my, my, uh, youngest sister's at B Y U now, and so they have no one at home, she's back teaching school full time now, again. So if, you know, it's not, it's just a temporary thing.
[speaker001:] It is temporary. It, in the middle of it, it seems like a long time,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but you're right, it is temporary. Well, I see that we both share the same belief here that
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] it's important that we spend time with our kids and,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] and, in spite of,
[speaker002:] yeah, you, it's, it's hard sometimes at work because, you know, people say, oh, we're taking a cruise, we're going here, we're going there, you know
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because they have a lot more money. And a lot of them decide just not to have children.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] It's, it's amazing, they either have one or none.
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker002:] And, and the one person I know that has one, they, they feel guilty. She has this continual guilt trip that she's not doing the right thing, and so on, uh, on weekends she would, you know, spend all of her time with her kids and spend lots of, lots and lots of money. Basically, I think they, they really spoil the child,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] to try to overcompensate for their guilt feelings. And, and, and they don't want to have anymore children because they just don't think, you know, that, she doesn't think she could be a mother at home. That's not her bag. So she just doesn't think that she could, you know, the guilt feelings, she can't deal with
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] with it anymore so,
[speaker001:] Well, it is,
[speaker002:] You know,
[speaker001:] the hardest thing I've ever done, as much as you'd go out and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah, my wife, uh, likes staying home.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, she works at home some, though.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] The place she works with, worked with before, um, worked out an arrangement with her where she can work at home,
[speaker001:] Well, that's good.
[speaker002:] part time, and so, uh, that, it's kind of a seasonal thing. Three times a year she's really busy doing certain things
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] based on that kind of business, but the rest of the time she's free. She likes to sew and do crafts and things like that [LAUGHTER]. So she enjoys staying at home, but, uh, the money part of it is not as rewarding, obviously, but
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] there's different rewards, you know, different kinds of rewards.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think so. I think it's an investment in your future, even if it's purely not, not religious. You can at least say that it's important to our country,
[speaker002:] Right, right, right.
[speaker001:] that our family unit stays strong.
[speaker002:] And you really have to make, uh, quite a bit of money. The wife doesn't make it worth it, with the cost of day-care.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] I know there's, you know, when you adjust your income for what you put out for day-care, you know, you're only making like five. |
[speaker001:] okay um I think that in this day and age everyone needs to have some sort of exposure to community service because it it seems like and I'm I'm thinking of the community of community of people that are in jail now I think that maybe if if if some of those people had gotten exposed to the community gotten exposed to working with other people that some of the things that they did they would not have done because they would they understand people more they understand helping people more they understand the plight of people
[speaker002:] that's true um-hum I agree with you in the sense that uh I think that it's important for people to uh also share give something of themselves
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh I think that there's too much in the in uh a way of like self-gratification today
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and there's not enough sharing
[speaker001:] um-hum I would think that for like people that are just filthy filthy rich
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I think that they would benefit also in doing community service so that they can see and I'm I'm speaking about people that are like born rich
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that's all they know and I'm thinking that community service would help them uh just get a feel of what else is out there how other people are living you know if they were to work in in uh uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know in a soup kitchen or something they would understand how other people live
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh you know on the same note if poor if poorer people uh were working to to serve the community I don't know they probably have a better perspective of of I don't know just life itself
[speaker002:] yeah and I think the Peace Corps is great too because uh it you go to different countries and you see
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh you know in fact I saw an interview on TV the other night with uh Patrick Swayze and he's making a movie in
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I think it's uh Calcutta or either India somewhere where it's a it's a very poor poor country
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and he said that people in the West he said since being there and I guess he's been there about six months he said that his whole idea of what's important has changed
[speaker001:] um-hum um
[speaker002:] and he said that people have no idea he said of of what human sacrifice is you know since being there he's he's learned to what it is to be poor and have nothing and yet those people have uh such uh a happy
[speaker001:] um-hum demeanor yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] uh yeah in in other words they don't dwell on on what they don't have they dwell on what they do have and they're happy with each other type of thing
[speaker001:] right that's great
[speaker002:] and he said that out here he said that when he comes back he knows that it it's just completely changed his life
[speaker001:] um-hum and I I think that that you know this on the same note being he was exposed to that and maybe he wasn't before and now he sees and I think that anybody that works
[speaker002:] right exactly
[speaker001:] in the in some kind of service or for the community or something they can see you know you don't see what you don't you can't know what you don't see
[speaker002:] uh-huh exactly right
[speaker001:] you know so and you have to experience some things you know a lot of people know that people that other people are poor
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but you they don't know what poor is
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] unless they actually see it and you know help or something
[speaker002:] uh-huh well I I know that it that must be true especially if you do something along the lines of uh you know helping them learn how to survive how to plant how to find water and I've seen so many uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] extraordinary things on TV that people have done
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] working in the Peace Corps and how you know uh the people or the community they worked in is so much better
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's like one person can make a difference
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and I I really believe that they can in something like that
[speaker001:] there's something I I've really been skeptical of you know when you watch television you'll see the service announcement for children in other countries
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and if you want to send like you know fifty cents a day
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] or something like that and you can help a child
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it's I don't know I guess it's just me but I don't know whether to trust that or not I mean there are so many scams and things going on you know I would love to help somebody
[speaker002:] I know and how do you yeah
[speaker001:] you know but I just I can't bring myself to trust
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] this this company who's trying to do this or whatever it is
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know just because people are so I don't know just today people are just so money hungry that I think they would do anything
[speaker002:] I know it's true it really is it's the sad life I think today it's um
[speaker001:] and so I mean you don't know what they um-hum
[speaker002:] it's it it's not like it used to be even in in the years of my growing up I mean I'm fifty three years old and I have seen a town change from a town to a city
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and it's uh people you know grow from a small town to a large town
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you would think that more people would be better you know share more do more you know be more community oriented and all but if they just get more uh
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] unto themselves kind of
[speaker001:] yeah more self-centered um
[speaker002:] right and and it's not the sharing of uh a neighbor to a neighbor
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and we would go out and not even lock our doors
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and not even worry about it
[speaker001:] but you can't do that today
[speaker002:] but today I mean you know it's like you wouldn't even think of doing that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] if you don't have bars on the window you're not even safe you know
[speaker001:] yeah even when when I first moved to Dallas from New York it seemed like Dallas was so open you know everybody left their doors open you just run in the store you leave your car running
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] you know and this was only uh well I guess it has been awhile it's been almost ten years since I moved here and it's amazing now now how much it's changed I mean I don't go out I don't go outsid e at night you know
[speaker002:] yeah in Dallas they I was going to say because I I heard uh in fact I was talking to someone from Dallas uh just last week they was saying that uh in fact it was this one girl particularly that worked for TI and she had gone over seas to Tokyo
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and she asked them there if there was some anywhere that she shouldn't go because she was alone you know being a girl from another country and everything
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and she said they thought for a few seconds and they said uh no there's nowhere that you can go that you would have to be afraid they said to her that even if she left her purse
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] on the subway
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] okay that she would have that purse returned to her this is how confident they were okay with nothing missing
[speaker001:] wow wow
[speaker002:] okay this is a foreign country
[speaker001:] better um-hum
[speaker002:] and you would think you know uh being uh an American or whatever you know a foreigner there that that would be all the more reason that they'd take advantage of you
[speaker001:] um-hum um oh God that would be the exact opposite here I mean if you leave something anywhere you might as well forget it
[speaker002:] okay and she told me she said she could tell them for fifteen minutes places not to go in in and around Dallas
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and that's where she was from
[speaker001:] um-hum that is sad
[speaker002:] she said even choosing her apartment she had to be so careful because of being a woman alone
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that that's a big that's a big thing with me I live in a one bedroom I'm single
[speaker002:] you know she had there are certain uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I've I could live in an apartment I live in Waco okay and you either live in really low priced housing or you live on the other side of town in the high price apartments
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and I live I don't make a lot of money but I live in the high price apartments simply because I feel safe here
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and I pay I'm paying probably the hundred or hundred and fifty dollars more than I would be paying somewhere else but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night and that to me is worth the extra money for me to be you know I feel very safe where I am
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] you know instead of
[speaker002:] and that that's why I think if people were more exposed to
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh especially uh young kids getting out of high school
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean at one time they would go into the service to have the same exposure and you know uh to further their worldliness so to speak
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] and go to see uh foreign countries that they would not necessarily be able to afford to see it was like they said join the Navy to see the world type of thing you know
[speaker001:] um-hum right right
[speaker002:] but nowadays they don't do that anymore it's not uh a thing uh a lot of young men don't even uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] have the desire to go into the service
[speaker001:] yeah they don't even consider it
[speaker002:] or to uh you know do something for someone else
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah and it
[speaker002:] and I don't know I I attributed I think a lot of that to women working
[speaker001:] to
[speaker002:] you know to mothers not being at home
[speaker001:] yes yes I was talking to someone yesterday about that and we were saying that the basic uh the the basic family is is disrupted these days
[speaker002:] the bonding process yep it very definitely is
[speaker001:] and so I think you know before the father would work and the mother you know would stay home and having that mother there that base I think was a big part of of family big part of
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] of what you know your your uh youngsters thought about what they did you know
[speaker002:] yep and the thing is like I think a man can afford to support a woman but the woman affords the luxuries
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] in in other words like anyone can live on a certain income no matter what it is you have to
[speaker001:] um-hum right right
[speaker002:] so to speak okay it it's what's important to you
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] now a family I I think that like girls today have children and six weeks later they're back to work
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] they don't even have a bonding with that child they don't ever ever see the
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's it's the most beautiful thing that happens between a mother and a child the first like say six years of life
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] so much happens in that period of time
[speaker001:] when I called
[speaker002:] and I mean once the child's in school if you had a job from say nine to three
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] big deal I mean they're they're in school you're at work that's great but it's kids that come home and don't have a mother there or the kids are at home in the morning and the
[speaker001:] right right |
[speaker001:] [Clicking] [talking] [breathing] Uh, [lipsmack] let's see. How about, uh, let's see, about ten years ago, uh, what do you think was different ten years ago from now?
[speaker002:] [Static] Well, I would say as, far as social changes go, uh, I think families were more together. They, they did more things together.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [very faint].
[speaker002:] Uh, they ate dinner at the table together. Uh, the parents usually took out time, uh, you know, more time than they do now to come with the children and just spend the day doing a family activity.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, although I'm not a mother, I, I still think that, uh, a lot has changed since ten years ago. Uh, what do you
[speaker001:] We,
[speaker002:] think about that?
[speaker001:] Well, uh, actually ten years from today seems rather short.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, [lipsmack] but I do agree that, uh, generally it's, society has sort of, uh, let's see, rushed everything ahead.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I don't know, it leaves, leaves a lot of time out for family and things like that. In other words, they just prioritize their lives differently. But I think that has a lot to do with economic situation.
[speaker002:] Yes. What about like as far as, uh, social changes in the individual? Do
[speaker001:] Uh,
[speaker002:] you think that the individual has as much time as they did, let's say, ten, twenty years ago?
[speaker001:] Um. It depends. Uh, it's hard to say because I think people were busy ten twenty [LAUGHTER] years ago too.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, [lipsmack] I just [sigh],
[speaker002:] Well, how, how old are you?
[speaker001:] I'm twenty-eight.
[speaker002:] Twenty-eight. Okay, I'm twenty-three.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So there's maybe a five year gap between us.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So, uh.
[speaker001:] I just, I think that things were a bit, were, have been busy all along. It's just
[speaker002:] Huh [Very faint].
[speaker001:] a matter where priorities are, at placed.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] And that, uh, usually as far as families are concerned, there used to be just one person working and usually the other parent was home.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And now, uh, it's pretty much an economic necessity of, for most, in most places for both parents to work.
[speaker002:] Do you think it's an economic c-, necessity or do you think that we're, we're, uh, all trying to keep up with a certain standard of living?
[speaker001:] I think that's part of it too. But I do think,
[speaker002:] I mean do you think,
[speaker001:] [Sigh].
[speaker002:] people really need two cars and
[speaker001:] No, no. I don't.
[speaker002:] a house in the suburbs or,
[speaker001:] No, I don't think that. But then there are a lot of people that, that don't have that.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, that really do need to work.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I think maybe those people that really do need to work, both parents, just to [sigh] survive. {C And
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] then } there, th-, is, is that other group that is
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] working to maintain a standard of living
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] that, uh, they think is, is surviving [LAUGHTER] which is really more luxuries.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, but I [sigh] I tend to think that it's less those people that have the two cars and everything than it is the group that is just trying to survive.
[speaker002:] Yo-, so you think it's, which group are you saying is the one trying?
[speaker001:] I'm saying that the, uh, the group that is just trying to survive from day to day, where both parents are working
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] is more of the majority than the, than the people that have the higher standard of living. Because if you look at economics across this country and statistics on who has the money and who the decreasing, uh, middle class in this country
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I think that that's, in my opinion, the case.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So. I mean I have met people that, uh, both that, [sigh] that just want to maintain a, the standard of living and those that, that really need the job.
[speaker002:] Okay. And then, sometimes I, I often, uh, find that maybe there's so many different things available to us. Yo-, a microwave, a V C R, a answering machine
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] a, you know, a special, a dishwasher, uh, a refrigerator and some of those items, um, for the, for the, uh, well I guess we're sticking more to social changes but, uh
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] people want all of that and not all of those are necessities.
[speaker001:] Right [breathing] [talking].
[speaker002:] So they're trying to, it has become a necessity [static]. |
[speaker001:] Okay, Jerry, I guess tonight's topic is about recycling.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I'd like to tell you first of all what's happening in our community
[speaker002:] All right.
[speaker001:] here in Plano. Right now we have a pretty nice recycling program where a lot of the recyclable materials can be picked up by the, by the collection agency or the, the city along with your garbage can. Uh, you can put out newspaper, you can put out glass, you can put out aluminum cans, you can put, put out certain types of plastic material and that is on a roll out effort right now. Not all the citizens and the people in Plano can go ahead and, uh, participate right now, but, uh, that will be rolled out to everyone, I hope, in the next year or so. And those that aren't participating, they have the specific drop off sites where you can take glass and newspaper and aluminum. And I think, uh, overall that's an, an excellent opportunity because I hate to see our landfills being filled up and, uh, growing bigger and bigger and bigger where they are becoming a big problem for o-, not only the people that are living today, but for the future also. So,
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh, I was read-,
[speaker001:] How about your community?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] My community, that's cute.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I live in a place called Dye Mound.
[speaker001:] Dye Mound?
[speaker002:] Or Dye Community.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it's not a city, [lipsmack] not incorporated, my nearest neighbor's about a half a mile at least,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I can't even see their house and, uh,
[speaker001:] Sounds like a place where I grew up [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, I mean, uh, I'm out in, I'm out in the wilderness. Literally.
[speaker001:] Well, I like it.
[speaker002:] And, uh, well, give you an idea, it's three and a half miles of dirt road to the concrete,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I mean, to the asphalt, we're out there.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, we, I do some interesting recycling things.
[speaker001:] Well, good.
[speaker002:] I'm building our house right now and I'm going to incorporate into my, uh, garage area a weight activated, uh, crusher.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] So when I drive the car in the, in the driveway in the afternoon, it, it will just drive it up on a ramp that actually puts me on top of the, the, uh, pressure side of a, uh, hydraulic cylinder.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And the weight of the car will crush,
[speaker001:] [Cough].
[speaker002:] what's ever in the disposer.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] Hope-, hopefully, it's not my wife.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, let's hope not. You can be, uh, get in trouble for that.
[speaker002:] Well, I thought I'd, you know, I'd use it as a, an escapement type thing. I don't know if you're familiar with that operation, but, what you do is you just build up the pressure
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then you go over and release it and then it just, it just drops, you know.
[speaker001:] Well, it's quite similar to a hydraulic jack, isn't it?
[speaker002:] Very similar, yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay, okay.
[speaker002:] Well, what, what it will be, you just, you drive up on the jack, but you, it won't go down.
[speaker001:] Yes, until you release it.
[speaker002:] Until you pull the pin, yeah.
[speaker001:] All right.
[speaker002:] Anyway
[speaker001:] I think,
[speaker002:] I have another, uh, recycling method I use.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] You know all that junk mail you get?
[speaker001:] Oh, [LAUGHTER] yes, I sure do.
[speaker002:] The glossy paper that says, buy this, and send off for that and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you have won and all that. Well, anytime they send me a return envelope
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I put all that stuff back in the envelope
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] plus the other stuff that I, you know, happen to gather up.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Because, uh, well, like I say, we live a way and when you throw trash away, you throw it in my yard.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] And I don't like that
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] so I don't do that. So I take it and I send, and I mail it back to them.
[speaker001:] Well, great. That's excellent.
[speaker002:] I've had four companies actually stop mailing me stuff.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, uh, if a lot of people did that, then we wouldn't have a lot of this junk mail. That's a great idea. I hadn't thought about that and we might be able to incorporate some of that. One thing,
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, I think one of the, the best ways to eliminate, uh, or help the recycling problem is to eliminate non reusable items.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] For instance, uh, I saw a thing on, uh, NOVA, I think it was the other day.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] This guy has designed recyclable materials, I mean recyclable items.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Whatever he makes, it's all out of the same thing.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] See, so, plastic, it's all out of plastic.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] If it's metal, it's all out of metal. It's, he's a design, he's a engineer, designing stuff.
[speaker001:] Well, that's a great idea, that's a great idea.
[speaker002:] And, and, in-, incorporating, you know, reusable materials into your, uh, you know, your
[speaker001:] Products.
[speaker002:] assembly line into your actual scheme of product operations is
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] is the only way to really do it on a, on a broad scale. Make it financially, uh, attractive to recycle
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and somebody will find a way to make money at it.
[speaker001:] Yes, they will.
[speaker002:] And,
[speaker001:] Exactly.
[speaker002:] Well, there is a guy in Dallas, that's all he does.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] He collects trash. You know, and,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, that's a full time job.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, he's, he's out for cardboard.
[speaker001:] Yes, well, I've found out, too, that, uh, you know, a couple years ago, we've always been recycling [NOISE] newspaper for the last twelve years, and at one time we could get a pretty good return, uh, with the Boy Scouts. We could take and collect the newspaper, |