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[speaker001:] Okay. We're talking about capital punishment.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] How do you feel about that Lenore?
[speaker002:] I am very much for capital punishment.
[speaker001:] Well, wonderful. I am too, one hundred percent.
[speaker002:] My Dad retired from the federal prison of bureaus.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I've been raised around prison
[speaker001:] All your life.
[speaker002:] prisons all my life.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I believe if you don't have a punishment befitting the crime, there's
[speaker001:] There's no deterrent.
[speaker002:] not any deterrent [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's right. There's just no deterrent.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] And so many of those kind of people, they got, they have a better life in prison than they have on the street anyway so, you know, unless they really make it rough on them that's not a, going to prison for a little while is not much of a deterrent I don't think.
[speaker002:] Especially not a federal prison.
[speaker001:] Right. Well, I don't know what Oklahoma's laws are but Texas's I don't know are, [sigh] I don't know it's, it's no one's f-, I mean it's not the judge's fault I don't think. It's just the way the law is down here. Man our cr-, our, uh, prisons are so crowded that, uh, they can commit some pretty serious crimes and be set free within a year to two.
[speaker002:] Well, see we were under, uh, the state's prisons were under a mandate to, uh, it was over crowded and the federal came in and said, hey, you know, you have either got to build more prisons or let people go.
[speaker001:] Well, that's what ours did, same thing.
[speaker002:] And finally our governor at the time which who is not in office now came in and said, okay, where we draw the line is no sex offenders will be let loose.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Under early bail, you know
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or early, uh
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] get out.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, uh, we have, the death penalty is not given often.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] But there have been w-,
[speaker001:] It's not here either really.
[speaker002:] And you know, I, maybe it should be, uh, well, it should be given, you know, I, I won't say sparingly, but I do believe it should be befitting the crime.
[speaker001:] I do too and, and you know, but the way the courts are set up they've, they've got so many chances for appeal, but I think th-, I think it needs to be expedited. You know if they've been convicted and given an appeal and they're still convicted of, of a crime that's deserving of, of a lethal injection, let's do it and not waste so many years to do it.
[speaker002:] Right. Of course, you know, they're, they're entitled to a speedy trial.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] But then they're, they're also entitled to drag it through the courts
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] for years and years
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and years on appeals. So
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] somehow, you know, it doesn't really balance out too much.
[speaker001:] That's right. Somehow it just doesn't, it works and then again it takes too long for it to work.
[speaker002:] And it seems even though, you know, that they got, the prisoner himself can come to the point that, hey, I'm tired. I just want out.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, I'm tired of fighting it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Then the system just keeps on.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah, it equ-,
[speaker002:] And at that point you know I, I really think there needs to be maybe a shorter appeal process.
[speaker001:] I do too. I think that needs to, and I don't see why it couldn't be shortened considerably. But, you know [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Well, part of that is the overcrowding of the court system.
[speaker001:] Yea-, that's true. It is overcrowded because there's so much drug, uh, problem with the people on drugs because that ha-, they, with the drugs they're, they're robbing and killing and, uh, that's why it's filled the prisons up so much I think.
[speaker002:] Uh, it doesn't, it doesn't help them any at all
[speaker001:] No, it doesn't.
[speaker002:] and, of course, your court system when you get into the appeals, I don't believe criminal is in a court by itself. And the whole judicial system is backed up with a lot of junk that shouldn't be in there.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's true. With all these lawsuits and people suing people over ridiculous things but,
[speaker002:] We've gotten into a very litigious, uh, type of life.
[speaker001:] Boy, haven't that we though. We really have. But anyway I'm glad to hear that you agree with me on the [LAUGHTER] capital punishment.
[speaker002:] Well, I just,
[speaker001:] I'm, I'm very muchly for it. Always have been,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] always will be.
[speaker002:] I just feel like their crime and punishment and if, if you don't have the punishment, you double your crime. And the, you know, that is just personal feeling. It's not going on facts. I think
[speaker001:] It could be supportive. It, it's
[speaker002:] the facts would probably back it up but,
[speaker001:] it's supported with facts though.
[speaker002:] What?
[speaker001:] It could very easily be supported with facts.
[speaker002:] Well, yes. I, |
[speaker001:] okay Ron welcome to the net and uh what did you do about your last auto repair oh and might you say what kind of cars you have and so forth
[speaker002:] okay well Larry my last one unfortunately was a an expensive one because I had a brand new Lincoln Town Car and and
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] a couple of ladies ran a stop light the lights weren't working properly it wasn't their fault but we they didn't run it we both had green and she hit me and did about eleven thousand dollars worth of damage to my car so
[speaker001:] my goodness gracious that's
[speaker002:] that was a huge repair bill
[speaker001:] well that's still not enough for a total is it
[speaker002:] I know I hated that
[speaker001:] to get it's a very expensive automobile
[speaker002:] so it wasn't enough to total it but that's my that's been my most uh expensive repair probably in the last year with the except of just service work because I buy a new car every two years and
[speaker001:] oh and do you buy one every two years
[speaker002:] well I travel a lot so you know uh this last one I leased so I don't know and I leased it on a twenty four month program it's the first time I've ever done that but I'll probably go back to buying them because I don't care to lease them
[speaker001:] uh-huh did this car have one of these expanding balloons or just are there normal safety belts in it that you had
[speaker002:] no it has the expanding balloons
[speaker001:] did that help you
[speaker002:] uh it they didn't go off
[speaker001:] they didn't go off
[speaker002:] no I guess we weren't going that sort of upset me we weren't going fast enough according when I called the dealership about it and called Ford Motor about it but no sir didn't go off uh we were it was a bad rainy dark dreary day and
[speaker001:] well what
[speaker002:] and the street lights
[speaker001:] but you were hit in the side weren't you
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] that may be the problem you you might you may need to be hit from something the leaning towards the forward to uh activate it
[speaker002:] yes took off my whole front fender and hood and everything I tell you just
[speaker001:] my goodness
[speaker002:] took it all off it was uh uh my my doors were okay front and back and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but it did uh right eleven thousand dollars in damage it was a expensive then I get it back and two weeks after that I'm driving it in front of the local high school and some young man just wasn't paying any attention and runs in the back of me that's another twelve hundred dollars worth of damage so
[speaker001:] my goodness
[speaker002:] so I'm gonna get rid my twenty four months is up on this car I'm getting rid of this car
[speaker001:] I would think so that doesn't sound like you've got very good luck with that one
[speaker002:] my golly how about you Larry
[speaker001:] well I'm relatively fortunate about that uh here we somehow don't have many people run into us although at the beginning of each school season uh students move into town who are from big cities and they sort of drive kind of wild for about two three weeks then they finally settle down and realize that they don't have to drive that way here and uh that takes the strain out off of everyone that uh is driving a vehicle
[speaker002:] I understand
[speaker001:] and I find that the most of the repairs I have to do here is body damage due to the salt that we have to put on the road to uh take care of us in the winter time
[speaker002:] I understand
[speaker001:] uh I have a sixty nine Cougar and a seventy seven Pontiac so forth and I have to uh and I drive a Honda most of the time and I have to make sure that uh salt and so forth are kept off of it and once in a while we have to replace some of the plates in the bottom of it because it's rusted away
[speaker002:] sure well I understand that because I'm from West Virginia and we had the same thing up there continuously continuously salting the roads for snow
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I just I did I had this Cougar totally uh the body of it totally rebuilt uh to get some of the rusts that were in the fenders
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] uh done and then it all repainted and then winter got here and so I put the cover over it then to keep the ice and snow off so I haven't had a chance to drive it very much but anyhow uh uh now are you gonna buy this next car or you going rent it a lease again
[speaker002:] no I'm gonna I'm gonna buy it Larry I don't like the rental I think I'm getting ready to retire myself and I'm going to I'm going to be you know driving a car for longer so I usually drive a car
[speaker001:] are you
[speaker002:] for three years and and anyway and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so but last couple cars I've only driven for two years so I'd leased this one for two years so I'll probably go back and buy one and uh this next car will probably be my retirement car
[speaker001:] well that's an awfully big one that uh that one that you had the Lincoln uh isn't it too large for normal town driving finding parking places and getting in and out the doors
[speaker002:] well no sir not really not really uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] no problem at all my wife and daughter we have uh two Toyotas in the family one Nissan and we have the Lincoln and uh the not really no problem there at all as finding as far as finding parking places it's it's convenient in that in that regard
[speaker001:] ah yeah well well that certainly would be a wonderful comfortable machine to take on long trips
[speaker002:] yes it is and I'm and I travel I'm like a traveling salesman don't travel a lot any more but uh when I do take it it is very comfortable to drive
[speaker001:] I'm I'm very much aware of that um-hum yes I'm sure it is because that's the way that I enjoy this Pontiac that I have it only has thirty eight thousand miles on it but it's very quiet and very smooth riding machine
[speaker002:] yes is that right well my wife's Toyota is soon to be four years old it only has doesn't even have thirty miles thirty thousand miles on it so gosh been much in such good shape that'll probably be an eight or ten year car
[speaker001:] um-hum do you do you feel that uh |
[speaker001:] You have any pets?
[speaker002:] Do I have pets?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yes, I have a cat and I have two dogs.
[speaker001:] Two dogs, what kind?
[speaker002:] I have a Schnauzer and I have a Sheltie.
[speaker001:] Schnauzers. Is it a miniature or a standard Schnauzer?
[speaker002:] It, it's a miniature.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I'm going into all this because I used to w-, I just got done [LAUGHTER] working at a pet shop actually.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, the Schnauzer I'm, I'm watching for one of, uh, the managers where I work and he's been transferred to Germany for a while
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] and I'm taking care of his dog and, uh, and I had just got the kitten when he asked me that and he says, well, my dog doesn't like cats,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and I said, well, we won't tell him it's a c-, we won't tell her it's a cat,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] because it was a kitten, and, you know, they just, they just love kittens.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] They just are fascinated.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] So she doesn't know that this is a cat yet.
[speaker001:] That's good.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] They say,
[speaker002:] And they get along real good. I said if Tom could see dog lick this kitty, he'd flip. *listen
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] So that was interesting.
[speaker001:] Didn't expect that would happen. Yeah, that's cool, that's nice. Uh, let's see, what was the other dog you had?
[speaker002:] It's a sheltie.
[speaker001:] Oh, a sheltie.
[speaker002:] She's real s-, sweet little dog. She's got a very nice temperament. Uh, they're not as aggressive as a Schnauzer.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, the Schnauzers are a little aggressive.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] They can be nippy.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, shelties are nice. Everybody seems to be really happy with them. They're good temperament.
[speaker002:] They're a good temperament
[speaker001:] They put up with a lot.
[speaker002:] and they, and they just, uh, they, I think they have a good head on their shoulders. I think they have a, a higher level of intelligence than other, uh, dogs that I have encountered.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Schnauzers, in particular probably.
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] yeah, but also some poodles, uh
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] they're kind of, there are some smart ones out there, but there's some also some, uh, not so smart ones [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, I g-, it seems the smaller the are, the, the worse off they are [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's, that's, maybe that's, there's, uh, some credence in that statement.
[speaker001:] Yeah, the-, they're bred down so much. It's,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They aren't the best pets.
[speaker002:] I, I'd, I really don't know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] what the best pet is. I guess it's up to the individual and how they relate to their animal.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I mean, some people seem fairly well suited for
[speaker002:] Um, *slash error
[speaker001:] for, uh, miniature poodles and such.
[speaker002:] And bull dogs [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But I don't know about these, uh, these, uh, uh, these pincers, these, now, what are they called. Pit bulls, pit bulls
[speaker001:] Pit bull.
[speaker002:] that are so vicious.
[speaker001:] They might, they're actually very friendly dogs.
[speaker002:] Are they really? I don't think I've ever
[speaker001:] Uh, they're really nice.
[speaker002:] seen one.
[speaker001:] I, I've dealt with quite a few of them. People, uh, customers that bring them into the shop and ask me like, they, uh, fit collars and stuff on them and they are, they are just really nice, really friendly, uh, kind of like medium intelligence. Uh,
[speaker002:] Well, how do they become s-, w-, how did they get their reputation, then?
[speaker001:] Well, because some people, uh, want to train them as,
[speaker002:] Oh, they train them to be that way, then.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] You really can't get a pit bull from birth that's that way.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it takes a lot of training and a lot of abuse to get a dog to really
[speaker002:] Oh, dear, so the
[speaker001:] respond.
[speaker002:] the poor animal is doing it in self protection.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Oh, dear.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they aren't, they aren't by nature really nasty critters. They are very determined critters
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and so once you get them going, it's not good to [LAUGHTER], to deal with, but, they, I, I really like them. *two utts? I was, I was impressed by them. They're, they're real sturdy little critters and they aren't that big.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, just really friendly.
[speaker002:] Well, that's unusual.
[speaker001:] I was, I was
[speaker002:] I,
[speaker001:] overwhelmed.
[speaker002:] Huh, well, I suppose you were surprised.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] After
[speaker001:] Yeah, right now,
[speaker002:] the reputation that, you know they have quite an, uh, uh, notable reputation as far as, you know,
[speaker001:] They picked up a lot of bad press lately.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they're banned from, in some areas I understand.
[speaker001:] Well, yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, any, any, any pet's going to, can, can be bad if you train it to be that way.
[speaker002:] You know, that, they must have just targeted that breed and said, boy, we're going [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Well, yeah, it's, when, in my hometown, they just outlawed ferrets
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] because they had one incident of a ferret, uh, attacking a k-, a child
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] in a house.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean, these people had left this infant in the same room with this loose ferret. The, the ferret is used to running the house and was kind of wild
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, you know, they should expect something like that to happen. And so bas-, now it's like ferrets are outlawed in the town.
[speaker002:] Oh, did it attack the child, then?
[speaker001:] Yeah, it, it bit him.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And that was, that was not a good thing, but I think it was probably a, an individual ferret thing, because it was f-, it was a fairly wild ferret.
[speaker002:] Well, the
[speaker001:] Hadn't, they hadn't,
[speaker002:] the people that owned him should have been on the
[speaker001:] Yeah, I mean
[speaker002:] lookout for that.
[speaker001:] they really should have, should have expected it.
[speaker002:] Um. *slash error
[speaker001:] And taken the precautions. They didn't.
[speaker002:] Sure, yeah.
[speaker001:] It's too bad it happened, though.
[speaker002:] Yeah, because then the, the animal's in trouble, and not the person.
[speaker001:] Right. |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] so I guess you're a Cowboy fan
[speaker001:] oh yeah I guess we're sort of we're stuck with that down here Brad we have to be but uh been it's been difficult suffering with them through the past few years but it looks like they could be
[speaker002:] that's true
[speaker001:] you know on their way back a little bit
[speaker002:] yeah what's what's the story with uh your quarterback though
[speaker001:] our quarterback's hurt right now he's gonna be out for a couple more weeks at the very least and may miss the rest of the season course if they're lucky enough to make the play-offs he may be ready for then
[speaker002:] oh that's good
[speaker001:] we're we're fortunate to have a you know a a fairly good back up quarterback that's come in but I tell you what the people of Dallas uh they love their Cowboys I'm a I've been here since seventy four and uh they're quite easy to easily to get attached to and uh we've got our new coach now Jimmy Johnson which I we like we like what he's doing they've forgotten about Tom Landry he's a great coach in his day but they've forgotten about him
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so who
[speaker002:] yeah isn't the Cowboys were the tradition you know
[speaker001:] oh yes who who's your favorite team
[speaker002:] uh well it's kind of weird for me I'll tell you why first of all I used to be a Jet fan when I grew up
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I grew up on Long Island where the Jets play uh I mean they're in New York City but it's closer to Long Island
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] uh then the Giants which were up in the Bronx uh but then around eighty five the Giants started playing really good defense and they started you know really not that I'm a fair weather fan but they really started looking good you know so now I root for both teams Jets and the Giants but I'm involved in this uh rotisserie league I don't know if you're familiar with those
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] well you draft players from different teams so it's kind of you get points based on how many how many touch downs and and and and stuff like that that players on all different teams uh make
[speaker001:] well I'll be darned
[speaker002:] so you get kind of caught up um and now I got like you know players players on on like Buffalo and and Washington and and I I happened to have uh your kicker
[speaker001:] why sure um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh Micheal Irvin who was a great he's a great wide receiver and uh
[speaker001:] right so how how's your team doing
[speaker002:] so my team's doing pretty good for for those guys I have I do have a couple of Giants um but they're not doing that much and uh I also have
[speaker001:] well good the Giants are having a sad year
[speaker002:] one Jet yeah they're not they're not looking too good um but you know it's always tough after you win a Super Bowl I guess and
[speaker001:] I know maybe we're maybe we're both teams of the future huh
[speaker002:] yeah and they they um they um I mean last year was just fantastic with the Giants winning the Super Bowl it was just
[speaker001:] oh we're well it was fantastic they had a hell of a season
[speaker002:] yeah and it was such a I don't know maybe because I'm a Giants fan but but uh it was such a unbelievable run you know all the games were like won by field goals and stuff like that so it was
[speaker001:] oh I know they had a great coach I think they're they're missing their coach but
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] most of all they're just they're in a rebuilding type of thing they've got they're quarterback's down too right now so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the big thing oops
[speaker002:] I'm here hello
[speaker001:] big big Phil's trying to come back hold just a second that's that's my other line
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] sorry Brad okay
[speaker002:] that's all right
[speaker001:] so anyway Phil's trying to bring them back right now I guess
[speaker002:] yeah they got a big game this weekend I think if they win it they got a shot at getting into the play-offs but I don't think they're gonna win
[speaker001:] who they play this weekend
[speaker002:] they're playing the Eagles
[speaker001:] oh it's a big game yeah they play at up in Philadelphia
[speaker002:] uh no they play in New York
[speaker001:] play in New York well yeah good chance there hope so
[speaker002:] but I I don't know first of all they don't they haven't done too well against the Eagles lately
[speaker001:] I think we right and we just hope we just hope Dallas makes it and of course all that depends on what Philadelphia and New York does too so I don't know
[speaker002:] and yeah I guess you got to pipe it off having the Giants uh win this weekend to knock out Philadelphia
[speaker001:] that's true because both our teams are like eight and five you guys are up what seven and six I guess
[speaker002:] you know um-hum but uh yeah I think I think I think Dallas will make it I think that I think they're they're uh they're doing pretty well and I think that like if the season ended now they'd be in the play-offs so you just have to like win two out of the next three or something
[speaker001:] yeah I hope so their first play-off games travel to Detroit I believe and that's that'll be a tough one on
[speaker002:] really oh you never know I mean what's to you know Detroit's only one game up maybe they'll oh well they lost to Detroit already though didn't they this year yes so they can
[speaker001:] right yeah it was there but they lost them playing there but uh still a tough game
[speaker002:] well maybe they'll get lucky and not have to go to Detroit because that's a tough place to play lately
[speaker001:] they but you got Emmett Smith versus Barry Sanders it ought to be a little exciting be a good game anyway
[speaker002:] yeah I guess their quarterback on uh Detroit was hurt too they're all getting knocked down so maybe they have a better shot against this new quarterback because they haven't Detroit hasn't played as well with this guy as with
[speaker001:] you bet
[speaker002:] um I don't know I think I think his name's Kramer
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and uh they used to have uh Rodney Pete who was doing really well for them and then he got hurt so
[speaker001:] yeah he was doing well and the kid from Houston they drafted from Houston uh they gave all that money to
[speaker002:] right yeah he's doing a lot
[speaker001:] they've got a lot of high dollar players I tell you
[speaker002:] yeah well uh
[speaker001:] what do you this is off the subject a little bit but what do you feel about the amount of money these guys that are are making and uh the amount of time |
[speaker001:] oops hello I pressed the button one so we're recording right now I'm sorry
[speaker002:] hello that's okay I'm Bill from Raleigh
[speaker001:] okay and I'm Melanie from Harrisville Utah
[speaker002:] oh so another one from a different state besides Texas
[speaker001:] yeah um okay Bill we're talking about family reunions
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] okay um have you ever had to plan a family reunion
[speaker002:] uh yes and no it wasn't really a family a planning one but it was kind of uh it was a birthday and I brought a lot of family together then
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh and how did you feel it went
[speaker002:] it went pretty good I'm I've worked in hotels so I I kind of know how to do these things I used to you know
[speaker001:] oh all of this planning and and getting together and such um oh let's see what else
[speaker002:] usually when we have kind of our family reunion it's my grandmother's birthday and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it's all of like she she comes from a big family she has like seven sisters I think
[speaker001:] oh boy
[speaker002:] and they show up and all their kids and then all she has uh I have like uh let's see she has four sons and two daughters and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] they show up and all their kids so it's a pretty big reunion it's about two hundred people maybe
[speaker001:] oh my word oh well what did you find was most helpful in planning the birthday get together
[speaker002:] um the probably the biggest challenge was uh getting a place where everyone you know could eat comfortably and and everything uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I guess probably the most helpful thing was that uh for the rent uh we rented like a a rescue squad building or something like that and uh
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] each one of the everybody that showed up donated donated some money for the rent and for for like soft drinks and and so nobody like really got stuck with the bill each person in the family you know brought a dish or some
[speaker001:] oh oh that's good uh-huh and then did you have a main meal or did everyone just bring it was just potluck uh-huh
[speaker002:] it was kind of potluck you know everybody brought their specialties I guess you would say
[speaker001:] yeah yeah show off a little bit
[speaker002:] yeah and of course my grandmother's food was as always gone first because she's such a great cook
[speaker001:] oh oh now how old is she
[speaker002:] uh she's eighty six
[speaker001:] oh goodness is she pretty spry is she you know pretty
[speaker002:] now she does she looks probably like she's in her early sixties
[speaker001:] oh wow
[speaker002:] and if she didn't have arthritis she'd get around better than me as a matter of fact
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh oh well that's neat that she's in good health and that at that age
[speaker002:] oh yeah uh my nickname for her is honey woman that's what I call her
[speaker001:] yeah oh really well that sounds fun well I I had a real challenge of planning a family reunion a few years ago and there were we sent out five hundred uh announcements because our family is quite large like your your family there and so that was a real challenge and I was president of our family reunion for two years and I wasn't sure I appreciated that duty for two years in a row but I found that advance planning was the key to success
[speaker002:] uh also one thing that's helpful and I don't know if your family's spread out or whatever but most of all my family lives like in the same county so it's just kind of like get on the telephone and
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh well that was wonderful though
[speaker002:] it's so and such days from such and such date and everybody just shows up
[speaker001:] oh oh well that is that is helpful yeah our family ranges from oh goodness well Australia I have a brother lives in Australia to uh Boise Idaho and and uh all kinds of places
[speaker002:] I would say you're spread out then
[speaker001:] we are
[speaker002:] uh my my immediate family you know my my parents and my brothers and sisters I guess we're the ones that have the gypsy blood or whatever because my dad was in the Army and we were
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] we were pretty strung out all over but since they've moved back to Carolina's uh we still are the only ones do not live in in Anson County
[speaker001:] in oh
[speaker002:] I live in Raleigh and then my my parents live in Greenville and I have one brother and his wife live in Greenville and um another brother that lives in outside of Fayetteville so I mean we're we're
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] we're spread out but everybody else is centralized in in my home town Waynesboro so
[speaker001:] boy oh my gosh
[speaker002:] nobody moves away except us yeah I got out as soon as I graduated
[speaker001:] they must really like it there yeah oh
[speaker002:] just like this town is too small for me good-bye
[speaker001:] oh you're ready to move on to big |
[speaker001:] talk about the activities that we don't do uh
[speaker002:] yeah I I don't have any children so but I I have a lot of friends with children and I know they spend a lot of time with them which is good
[speaker001:] that's good to hear yeah and I haven't uh well I've been around a lot of people lately at work at my job that don't have a lot of values
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] so it's it's always nice to see people that like each other and like uh families that get along with each other and like to do things together
[speaker002:] yeah yeah they have a lot of values I love that do they have children
[speaker001:] um the one the the most valueless girl doesn't but she's married now I I'm not quite sure why I I think he said that he'd give her a big ring and she got married to him
[speaker002:] oh that's wonderful
[speaker001:] but it's it's it's it's kind of weighed on me and then the other day my husband and I met a couple who who're they're just gonna have their first child and they really like each other and they're real happy with one another and she says things like I'm really glad when he comes home and there's not enough time to spend with him in the evening and I'm like
[speaker002:] oh that's neat
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] that's good you know I like to see that you know I have uh some friends that uh first of all
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh the girls joined they have two girls one joined the Girl Scouts and the other was in the Brownies and then the mother got involved as a leader and then all of a sudden the father was getting involved with doing nature hikes for them and working with the Girl Scout camp here in Dallas and then going out to um Betty Perot Camp and working with the horses and stuff and they're gone a lot and they take their girls and they go away for weekends and in the winter time even you know to do work with the Girl Scouts and I think it's neat
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] you know they've really become very much involved in in just that one organization which the organization can use the help too so I I wish I could see more of that you know
[speaker001:] right well on Sunday we just met uh a family we were thinking about getting Maine Coon Cat and we went over to a lady that breeds them here in town and uh her daughter actually it was her she said that her husband said to her daughter you need a hobby so she chose the cats and you can tell it's a family hobby the cats they're all a part of it and it was really neat because they all were interested in each other and and the cats and they raise champion cats
[speaker002:] ooh those are neat cats too
[speaker001:] so they've done really well yeah I've just learned about that breed
[speaker002:] they're really nice looking cats I have seven cats but they're all mongrels
[speaker001:] well that's what we're gonna end up getting
[speaker002:] well they're the ones that need the homes
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] you know mine were just all um strays in the neighborhood little baby kittens dropped and stuff and it just kind of built one at a time just kind I couldn't you know one time two of them came at once and I can't turn a hungry cat down
[speaker001:] oh I know
[speaker002:] so you know and the last one that I picked was here uh the kids brought him over and said he was injured and it was winter time and I said I just cannot have another cat I just cannot have another cat and I looked out there and he was just laying on my lawn just shivering and all and I said I can't stand it I brought him in so
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] those are my children we don't have very many activities but
[speaker001:] no I know what you mean our cat hates other cats and the we've tried to get her to like other cats and she just uh she wants to be around human beings and she does not wanna be around other cats so our next we're gonna try it with a kitten and see if her maternal instincts come out
[speaker002:] huh lots of luck is she spayed oh yeah real maternal
[speaker001:] yeah we're hoping it's our last hope
[speaker002:] she'll eventually I mean mine you know I have five males and two females everybody's spayed everybody's neutered and we still have a scrap every now and then nothing real bad you know a slap here and there but um they put up with each other and they will eventually her nose will be out of joint for a while and she'll hiss and growl and slap every now and then but they'll she'll finally accept it you know they really don't have any choice in my in my household we have a little bit of uh a fight for who's boss mean a male cats are are real you know real territorial and so that's the big battle here you know uh who's who's top dog well top cat I guess you know but um we I don't I don't know I don't have a problem with it I think they
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] just learn to accept and I have two dogs too and they've slapped the dogs around too every now and then so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's true they've got to keep them in line
[speaker002:] yeah but she'll accept another cat eventually as long as you make her feel um like she's still loved and everything so
[speaker001:] yeah well those Maine Coon cats were great they were fourteen pounds and
[speaker002:] and they're
[speaker001:] oh they're just gorgeous but yeah three hundred and fifty dollars for a kitten and I think of those I think of the kittens at the pound
[speaker002:] oh my gosh yeah three hundred and fifty dollars
[speaker001:] I just yeah yeah and they are lovely but
[speaker002:] ooh house payment that is is a lot of money
[speaker001:] right yeah and then she's saying you know you can't let them outside and you can't do all this stuff and I'm like ooh
[speaker002:] I don't let mine out anyway but I let two of them out just in the back yard every now and then but my cats are inside I'm afraid you know with neighbors it people throw rocks at them and people run over them and I I just you know I just don't I know so and and now they've lost the desire most of them don't even try to get you know to go out I just have two that drive me crazy that I let out in the back you know but I won't let them get if they start going in the front and stuff I bring the m in
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] you know I just worry I guess I'm too protective but you know I see these cats that are wandering around the neighborhood and too they can catch diseases really easy just by touching a nose to another cat they can contact leukemia
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker002:] feline leukemia so we know we try try real hard to keep them healthy
[speaker001:] uh we just bought a acre a house with an acre to try to so she'll she'll have some room to walk around and not off of a busy street we're we're choosing our house for our cat isn't that bad
[speaker002:] oh how neat people do it for their children I mean why not well you know why not why not
[speaker001:] oh them too well because I he loves she's one of those that loves outside and she doesn't go far but she just wants to be able to have that freedom
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well if you're off off a road you know away from a road and you're off of the main road you said away from a road you know and you keep an eye on her it's probably okay I'm just real
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know I guess I'm in a neighborhood and it's it's just real tough on animals here you know when I every time I see one run over I just you know it makes me sick so
[speaker001:] yeah it gets hard especially with the cars oh I know
[speaker002:] you know but anyway we kind of got off the subject of children except that I consider them my children
[speaker001:] yeah yeah our cats are our kids or I we we got married a few months ago and I'm like well why can't Ashley be at the wedding
[speaker002:] yeah oh no in her little bridesmaid dress
[speaker001:] yeah you know if I could have I would have done it oh
[speaker002:] well I'm sure it's been done I'm sure it has been done well they have weddings for dogs now and cats and you know you they have all that parties for them where they dress up I've seen it in
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] magazines and stuff where you dress your animals up and take them to a party I haven't gone that far I'm not that bonkers you know my cats do not wear clothes and
[speaker001:] oh my no I I don't think they'd like to I put a bow on her one night on day and Jerry just kept saying you are the meanest person
[speaker002:] no no
[speaker001:] I took a picture of her and that was all it all it lasted for
[speaker002:] well do your do any of your friends have have uh older children that they do anything with do do you have friends with older children or they just all have young kids
[speaker001:] um yeah all the ones I know my brother-in-law has three young kids seven and on down and they they go on family vacations and uh they go like to go skiing the the middle girl doesn't get a whole lot of attention but uh this last ski trip they took um she had contracted chicken pox first and then she spread it to her her little younger sister and her brother and they got it just at the beginning of the
[speaker002:] um no
[speaker001:] vacation where she got better so she not only is she the better skier but she got all the attention because she got to go out I think think she planned it she's only five but I think she planned and she got all the attention from her dad wow oh yeah
[speaker002:] love it oh say that she needed that didn't she you know it must be hard when you have a lot of children I you know to have I was an only child my mother was an only child so I you know I wasn't raised with brothers or sisters and I always got all the attention so I wouldn't know I think I would be extremely jealous or would have been had there been another child in the family
[speaker001:] yeah it's it's we can see it work with her it's she's frustrated
[speaker002:] tough must be tough yeah yeah oh she she's the middle one so she's never been the only one so she really doesn't even know what it is to be the only one
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] yeah that's tough you know |
[speaker001:] well uh my opinion on taxation well could being in New York state where taxes are high and services are low
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] I guess I'd have to say I don't think we're getting our money's worth as far as uh the tax system is concerned I think a lot of it is going to waste on uh services services that aren't necessary and uh out-of-date ideas that just don't make sense anymore in these times
[speaker002:] yeah I I have to agree I'm uh right now I'm in Atlanta in Atlanta but I grew up and am from uh Utica New York so uh I understand and I agree with the uh New York situation situation
[speaker001:] hm yeah it's as a matter of fact they recently in our county here our state sales tax has been seven percent
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] pretty much forever well they've just decided now when our county where I am is looking at upping the tax rate to eight percent to try and close a deficit uh that they've found in the county budget here and uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know between the increases in the sales tax and of course we have the high state tax
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] now we have to look into the possibility of you know it if it isn't from the Bush administration with user fees it's more direct taxation
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I don't know what the taxes are like down in Georgia
[speaker002:] well it's um it's kind of tough to tell I haven't really got no good feel for it yet the um I've been down here for only like six months so it um they're not I don't think they're quite as bad as they are in New York state I guess is my opinion right now um there is like there are there's a tax on food here which is you know a little bit different because they don't have that up there and and other than that right now they're starting to realize that their taxes are low but they also realize that they still have to make sure their roads are paved and so on so they're starting to talk about um raising like instead of registering or uh getting your license which costs five dollars now they decide to well maybe we should charge forty dollars for it
[speaker001:] well they just did that up here too it Mario Mario raised it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] up here um considerably and you know we've had our road road road taxes and gas tax the gas tax was such a Utica boondoggle being from Utica you probably
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um remember when they put that into effect and how that was going to save our roads and what it did is it all went to New York City to refurbish that subway disaster
[speaker002:] yeah that would right of course of course no that seems like we're in from New York state I guess you're you're pretty much your main concern is yes you sit there and to allow um you know taxes like crazy and all you do is see all the money go in a big funnel towards New York City
[speaker001:] well yeah it's you you know roads this year have been especially bad they um here in Rochester they've now because to save tax money and that they have turned off the expressway lights at night
[speaker002:] oh yeah um-hum yeah they've been talking about doing that here too but they haven't they've almost been able to push it through but people started complaining and
[speaker001:] well they just shoved it through here and you know to hell with people and uh put it into effect and then suddenly of course you know ever since every day in the newspaper here it's
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] people complaining you know well it was only saving two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year it's just we're paying good tax money for this and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they turned it off yet they're still giving money to all these bizarre things in New York City the roads aren't any better here
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and uh even the town here where I am in um the taxes have increased again I mean they just can't push property taxes any higher that's why they're looking at this sales tax business now
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's down here they're um that I'm amazed at the one cheap thing down here is gas I'm not sure what the price is up there but that down here it's only like eighty nine cents per per gallon
[speaker001:] oh that's not moving you know that Mario up here is we're I just filled up tonight it was a dollar it's a dollar fifteen nine a gallon
[speaker002:] yeah I was home over at Christmas break and it was I saw the gas prices and it was like boy what a switch
[speaker001:] well you know we also have a somewhat of a monopoly here of the gas suppliers you know anywhere else in the state it's uh probably a nickel less but they say it's going to increase around the summer time to a dollar twenty five up here
[speaker002:] yeah oh sure yeah
[speaker001:] which is insane
[speaker002:] yep well as soon as they get near Memorial Day people start traveling and everyone knows it so we've got to raise the gas prices
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] oh well it's it's it's interesting topic coming two days from tax day
[speaker002:] yes I know I and I just I actually had filed earlier and I got my refund tonight actually small but small but uh I got it back anyway
[speaker001:] yeah we're we're just sitting down tonight to get ours filled out we're going to do it we're going to do it and we're going to get we were doing software to do it and then you know put off put it off put it off
[speaker002:] oh oh yeah yep
[speaker001:] now tonight being two days left
[speaker002:] yeah well it's pretty pretty frustrating when you see the whole situation it doesn't seem as though
[speaker001:] okay |
[speaker001:] okay uh my favorite show is Masterpiece Theater and it has been for a long time but I feel almost ashamed to say that to anybody now because I've never met anybody who likes it do you by any chance you do
[speaker002:] oh yes yes very much
[speaker001:] well wouldn't you know
[speaker002:] as a matter of fact I prefer public television
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh I have particularly enjoy the English comedies
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and the English mysteries
[speaker001:] yeah I watch Mystery too um is is that what you're referring to okay yeah that is good I like uh do you read
[speaker002:] yes vociferously
[speaker001:] okay well that's the reason why I like both of those programs is because they're kind of based on books and the plots are more
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] uh challenging you know than the sitcoms of regular TV
[speaker002:] well unfortunately for us at least here in the United States we the only access we have to that of course is public television
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I I'm not a great television watcher in in any respect uh but uh the watching what I do watch is uh usually news and whatever is on public television uh any kind of I also uh am very fond of great performances in in that regard
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah me too
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] did you stay up late and catch this Red Dwarf oh that was a scream
[speaker002:] no uh no uh no as a matter of fact uh Turner Broadcasting
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] has been uh broadcasting all of the James Bond movies
[speaker001:] really uh-huh
[speaker002:] every night this week so I have concentrated on watching James Bond movies this week
[speaker001:] huh I used to like him too he was my hero in fact I like Sean Connery to this day
[speaker002:] well they're showing uh Live and Let Die at this moment and it is the first appearance of Roger Moore as 007
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] so it it
[speaker001:] oh he could never cut it
[speaker002:] no no that's true I was just thinking that today he well in some of the later movies he looks very effeminate in the early movies whereas uh Sean Connery has maintained the
[speaker001:] yeah yeah he does
[speaker002:] I how would you ruddy uh look uh but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I liked his accent too
[speaker002:] oh yes yes
[speaker001:] and he can even be in movies that are not uh uh sexually oriented and he still comes off great
[speaker002:] well you know he was uh when was it last year or year before last he was voted the sexiest actor in movies or something
[speaker001:] yes yeah he had my vote double
[speaker002:] I mean the man is sixty two years old if
[speaker001:] I don't care
[speaker002:] but uh otherwise you know we uh with you know PBS and so forth and I I particularly enjoy I don't know whether you've whether you had a chance to watch it on PBS but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the series uh Yes Minister
[speaker001:] uh what's that about
[speaker002:] that was about a the interior minister it was a comedy the interior minister of uh in England with the permanent secretary and bureaucracy and all that
[speaker001:] oh yes yes uh-huh right I like I've seen it several times it's a scream but I had to go to bed I have to get up and and work the next morning I wish they'd put those that's why I say did you stay up late to watch this Red Dwarf it came on after Doctor Who on Saturday nights here at least
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and it's just of course I don't you know you really it was I don't think they should show it on during prime time but still
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it was funny
[speaker002:] yeah I know well I I'd I as I said I'm not much of a television watcher I read as I said and uh quite a bit I I read about
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] two or three novels a week
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] in addition to all the technical stuff what do what what do you do what kind of work do you do
[speaker001:] I'm a payroll clerk just an accounting clerk
[speaker002:] at TI
[speaker001:] no uh I have a friend who works for TI and uh I work for a a tire service here in I'm from Dallas
[speaker002:] oh I see um-hum well the last two people who have called both worked for TI and I just wondered huh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it could be TIers uh I think probably are participating more than anybody else but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I needed the money this is five bucks here yeah really do you work for TI
[speaker002:] I guess yeah I I guess we all can no no I work for GTE
[speaker001:] really how'd you hear oh we're not even supposed to be talking about this though are we
[speaker002:] in Maryland yes well that I guess it it doesn't
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] how did I hear about it well I work you know they're gathering a database for voice processing and that's my field of of work also
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so I I know the people at TI who are doing this and I heard about it so I called them and ask if I could could participate and uh
[speaker001:] huh yeah
[speaker002:] you know sent in the forms etcetera and uh so forth
[speaker001:] huh right
[speaker002:] we could go back to television shows if you
[speaker001:] well you know speaking of public TV have you caught any of this series on the Bible
[speaker002:] yes I have
[speaker001:] I've heard that it's really against the well I mean that it's coming out with the idea that the Bible's not true
[speaker002:] well no that's it you could interpret it that way uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I think what they're trying to say is that there is a great deal of historical truth but the interpretation that actually got into the um the writing of the Bible itself is probably uh after the what uh was it the King James Version when the committee
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh did it wrote wrote the uh the or translation that so much was lost in the translation uh particularly since most of the translations most of the translations were from Greek
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh well for example uh in Greek there are seven different words for love
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] okay so you can have there's one word for love of your brother one word for love of your wife one ler word for you know love uh love of uh your father and that sort of thing so in those translations those types of interpretations uh really made a difference in how one might interpret the Bible now and what it says so that you know it's it you know you can look at it as though they are saying it's not true but there's too much historical
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] fact involved just from the uh the histories that are that were developed around that time that are available
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] to deny that at least you know the majority of it is true so you know you know it depends on how you look at it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you can look at it if you know if if you want to say that it's proving that it isn't true then you can you very much look at it that way
[speaker001:] I guess if you're looking for that you're
[speaker002:] yeah hey you could well you can interpret that the what the TV show in the same way you can interpret the Bible well uh so
[speaker001:] but uh uh-huh really
[speaker002:] but uh I as as far as that goes I at we at we at least agree on you know on what we enjoy in that regard but uh
[speaker001:] yeah that's right
[speaker002:] I don't know if there's a there is a time limit on this so uh
[speaker001:] yeah surely we've made it well it was nice talking to you okay you too bye-bye
[speaker002:] I think so too all right well it's been very pleasant talking to you and have a good evening good night |
[speaker001:] well how do you feel about it
[speaker002:] well uh I don't have any strong convictions about it that's for sure um I know I haven't done any Peace Corps service and I don't know anybody in my immediate family that has or you know has ever even thought about it do you know uh do you know anybody that's been it
[speaker001:] no the the only people I know that have done anything remotely like that are people that have gone to be missionaries and that's only because I went to Baylor and a lot of students from Baylor go and and serve as missionaries during the summer but I think I think that's a terrible idea that's like forcing someone to donate to a charity
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean it it's nice to to try to teach young people some some uh uh civil uh consciousness but forcing them to to donate basically their time and efforts
[speaker002:] yeah it's definitely up to the person uh so I'd have to say that uh it you know the people who do it well some feel it's rewarding I don't know you know but uh I don't know how we got the subject you know I have nothing to say about this
[speaker001:] it it I don't either I don't either I was I almost hung up because I thought well gosh I don't I don't really have an opinion except for no I think that's dumb
[speaker002:] um-hum well how long you been in San Antonio
[speaker001:] but uh I've been here for um just uh almost five years well no almost four years
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and I lived with Dana in school
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] that's how we know each other
[speaker002:] and uh you you were just up there then huh
[speaker001:] uh-huh last weekend we went to Six Flags Saturday
[speaker002:] uh oh okay
[speaker001:] yeah a good old time
[speaker002:] well that's good
[speaker001:] well back to the topic at hand what other types of community service would they be talking about I mean the the recording mentioned the Peace Corps
[speaker002:] well it sounded like I mean this is like major long term commitment like a year or six months or
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so you're looking at the Peace Corps or sabbatical maybe or you know I don't know I mean but uh
[speaker001:] I mean I'm all for donating my time to worthy causes like I do some volunteer work here and there and every once in a while I'll do uh a uh local Big Brother Big Sister thing
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] or I'll go you know do a
[speaker002:] but that that time is minuscule compared to what what it sound like they were referring to
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I I couldn't possibly commit a year or two of my life to to go do something
[speaker002:] yeah yeah they couldn't cover my hourly rate I couldn't afford it
[speaker001:] no kidding
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] I have this thing against bugs too and seems to me like the Peace Corps they send you someplace that there's a lot of bugs
[speaker002:] yeah Africa
[speaker001:] a lot of yeah have to live in a shack with no air conditioning and no medicine and no anything I'd probably catch a terrible disease and die
[speaker002:] yeah well I doubt that but you know I guess well I I mean it would it would have to be tough going somewhere you don't know the culture usually I guess I think that maybe that's why some people do it is
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh to see the other cultures or you know and some of that but
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh to do that I don't know I'd have to be I don't know
[speaker001:] oh I don't know either the other growing up all I knew was
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] you go to high school you you know you work you go to college you get out of college and you get a good job and you work and and none of this you go spend two years in the Peace Corps to expand to broaden your horizons
[speaker002:] um-hum well you know uh I know American Express I'm now I'm working at American Express now and they
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] after a certain amount of years of service these employees can take off like six months or something for some type of sabbatical or some you know some something like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they're allowed to take that time off and then come back where they left off
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] so it is something that I think uh you know even the larger organizations will support uh it's really it's really for the community to give you know to to give back to the community type of thing
[speaker001:] I'm for
[speaker002:] I don't know pretty it's for yeah I think at the same time it's for some people to you know help them grow in other areas
[speaker001:] kind of like joining the military well I mean in that respect a lot of people join the military to to grow up
[speaker002:] yeah maybe
[speaker001:] and to decide what they want to do and the Peace Corps or something like that is probably useful as as that kind of a time
[speaker002:] yeah maybe a little bit in that perspective but uh I know a lot of people that have gone in the military I mean in you know when they're in the college sometimes it's to support help support college you know the money
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh others people don't know what they want to do but as far as uh you know the Peace Corps I guess I suppose there's a few people that have done it at that point in their lives but I think a lot of it's you know when the people get older they'll do something like that
[speaker001:] I'd probably have a different perspective if I actually knew someone that had gone into the Peace Corps
[speaker002:] yeah I I I don't
[speaker001:] but I don't and none of my
[speaker002:] didn't mean to cut you off there
[speaker001:] oh that's okay none and none of my really close friends in college went off to be missionaries or anything so I don't really know anyone first hand that's that's committed committed a chunk of their life to do service work everybody I know has been well I'm going to go get a job good job and make some money and buy a nice car
[speaker002:] uh I know
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] or try or try to make a living
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh yeah I I have no I don't know anybody that's that done that either so I it's it's interesting we got this topic because I I I don't know what I marked off to get this but
[speaker001:] I certainly didn't mark off anything to get this one I can't I can't imagine and the switchboard's been down for several days and the last time I called it before it went down I had this topic and I didn't feel like talking about it so I hung up and I guess they they keep you on the same topic until you actually talk to somebody about it
[speaker002:] so you had the same one huh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] oh well well you you'll get it over with here
[speaker001:] I know it
[speaker002:] how many times have you talked
[speaker001:] oh probably five or six
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] not a whole lot
[speaker002:] oh I've done maybe four or five
[speaker001:] yeah did Dana sign you up for this
[speaker002:] well she just sent me the information out I I got a hold of it you know I just sent it back in and
[speaker001:] yeah that's she stuck my name on some list so they mailed me the information that I filled out
[speaker002:] what other topics have you had
[speaker001:] well that's pretty um I've talked about camping with someone I've talked about the weather
[speaker002:] great great
[speaker001:] that one was interesting because I talked to a man in in Washington DC and it was hot here and it was snowing there so that was pretty interesting
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I talked to someone about the uh the uh education system I forget exactly what the focus was on that one but that was fairly interesting and I've talked to somebody about credit card usage
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and and I talked to this person who I gathered from speaking to her that that she and her family just didn't have much and they didn't have much credit available to them
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and so she basically didn't use credit cards and didn't know very much about them and how they work and and how you can use them to your advantage and and how you know you
[speaker002:] hm yeah I always
[speaker001:] you can do certain things with them
[speaker002:] I use everything with my Visa and I pay it all off so that's a good deal for me I get free money for thirty days so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] that's the way I use them uh I try I try to make sure I don't get in debt so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well that's always a good plan I can't think of anything else that I've talked about all the the most most of the ones on the list I checked off stuff like football and and stuff that I can I I would enjoy talking about and I haven't gotten a one of them yet when I've called
[speaker002:] I had uh let's see I've had fishing and uh I can't remember me and I think me and Dana had football yeah we did
[speaker001:] oh how funny
[speaker002:] yeah uh we so we talked about the Cowboys a little bit and I'm out here in Phoenix so we talked about Phoenix Cardinals and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so so that one was all right and then what else I had I think I had some other uh like staying in shape or working out this other guy I got this guy from New York so
[speaker001:] I had to talk to someone about hobbies and the switchboard called me so I was caught a little off guard and I couldn't think of anything at all so I started making stuff up I told this woman that my hobby was gardening and I can't even I can't even grow an ivy my grandfather gave me a plant once that told and he told me when he gave it to me that it was impossible to kill you could freeze it you could
[speaker002:] and you've probably never gardened in your life
[speaker001:] you could dry it out no matter what you couldn't kill it well I killed it pretty quick
[speaker002:] yeah I don't I don't have too much of a green thumb either so I do have one plant here it's been hanging out for a while but I think it's one of your easiest plants I can't I don't know the name of it but I'm not too much into |
[speaker001:] Uh, you know, I, when I was much younger, uh, than I am now, I, I had wanted to go to the Peace Corps and, uh, it seems like I, it, it was something that I, I really wanted, wanted to do.
[speaker002:] Can you speak up, please.
[speaker001:] Seems like wanting to go to the Peace Corps was something that I had really wanted to do when I was young.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] But, uh, I don't believe they accept you after you, you know, after you're married and you have, uh, kids and all that so I got into,
[speaker002:] Uh,
[speaker001:] that and then I wasn't able to, to, uh, participate.
[speaker002:] But they will accept you later in life also.
[speaker001:] Oh, they will?
[speaker002:] Yeah, after your children are grown.
[speaker001:] Oh, I didn't know that.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Then there's no age limit?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] Your kidding. *typo -] you're
[speaker002:] No, I'm not. Some of the people that have been involved with Peace Corps, among other things, were retired teachers. Uh, there was a retired plumber that went to, uh, uh, Uruguay I think and helped them quite a bit with concepts in plumbing, you know, providing for a, for better public hygiene.
[speaker001:] Goodness I'm surprised. I really had no idea.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but, so, do you think that people should be required to give a couple years for the good of the country?
[speaker001:] Well, [breathing], I don't, I don't really think that they sh-, they should be, it should be mandatory. I mean,
[speaker002:] Why?
[speaker001:] [Breathing] well, I don't know, I, it's, that just might not be something that everybody wants to do, I mean, there are a lot of people who would like to do it, and there are a lot of people who get into other things and they get all involved and they just, you know, don't want to or don't have the time.
[speaker002:] Well, I understand, but if it were told to us that we would find the time somewhere between our seventeenth and, uh, twenty-sixth birthday to give a year or two to the, to the country in the form of maybe building better roads or the parks service or the Peace Corps or somet-, you know, the military service or something. Wouldn't we have, uh, maybe a better class of Americans?
[speaker001:] I don't see how that can, can make a better class of Americans to make everybody, to make it mandatory for everybody to participate.
[speaker002:] A lot of these peop-, a lot of our, uh, pardon the terminology, but yuppies, now, are interested in one thing and one thing only and that's themselves.
[speaker001:] That's true. Well, I don't, I don't think that,
[speaker002:] And at least if you legislated,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] giving for a couple years of their lives or, or, uh, a honestly purely giving but, but some sort of equitable exchange, then at least the country would have gotten two years from them where, um, they would have given something to the country instead of take, taking away all their lives.
[speaker001:] Yeah, are, are you suggesting then that if, if, uh, if I have to go and, and do something for the country for two years that the country will compensate me in some way.
[speaker002:] Uh,
[speaker001:] I, I will be compensated for this, I'm not just going to,
[speaker002:] Give them your ti-, give them your entire life for two years, no. * I think this really should be 2 slash units, with the respective labels.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] It will be a job of sorts, I'm sure, that the Peace Corps pays, it doesn't pay well, it's not top wages,
[speaker001:] [Very faint] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but, but it does pay.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] The military, for young hiring in soldiers does pay, it doesn't pay well.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Okay, currently in our country, especially in some regions, there's an employment problem. You're aware of that I'm sure.
[speaker001:] That, that, that's true. But in, even in our region there's an employment problem. There's a lot of, uh, people gotten laid off lately. You know, from just companies like General Dynamics, and,
[speaker002:] And Texas Instruments.
[speaker001:] and Texas Instruments, [LAUGHTER]. Thousands, and thousands of people are out there looking for jobs.
[speaker002:] You know in, in another time we had the W P A,
[speaker001:] [Very faint], no, I'm not,
[speaker002:] Works Progress Administration,
[speaker001:] I'm not familiar with that.
[speaker002:] during the great depression,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] though I can't see why it was great.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh, that gave people pay that was halfway between relief which was welfare,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the minimum wage.
[speaker001:] I see, and that was, that was simi-, that was some, some program where people gave their time,
[speaker002:] In trade for,
[speaker001:] in trade for,
[speaker002:] money,
[speaker001:] [very faint] for money, okay.
[speaker002:] and, and living.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] They gave them food and uniforms and,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] uh, here in Colorado you'll find a great many things. Public roads that were worked on by the W P A, uh, dams that were built by the W P A,
[speaker001:] [Very faint] uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, scenic overlooks, parks,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] We are road, our road system's falling apart. Our air-, our national road system, system of highways,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and roads, is falling apart.
[speaker001:] Well, then I guess there are a lot of, a lot of things that people could do to contribute to the good of the country.
[speaker002:] Ther-, there's a lot of work to be done.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. I, I really don't see anything wrong with it, I just don't think that it should be mandatory that every person have to do that.
[speaker002:] I, I can't see the problem in it for a year. Th-,
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] what, what I'm saying is that if it were mandatory,
[speaker001:] [Very faint] uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that every person, right after graduation from high school,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that were able-bodied,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] would give a year, well, or, not give a year but, but trade a year, then they, at least one not more than say three or four, then it would definitely effect unemployment.
[speaker001:] All right, I wonder if, if they didn't make it mandatory if they would actually get enough people volunteering to, to do it that it, you know, that they would have enough.
[speaker002:] I don't know.
[speaker001:] I mean, I, I'd probably,
[speaker002:] Well, you know, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, huge numbers of other western states, have no real welfare system.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] There's Aid to Dependent Children, and Aid to Mothers of Dependent Children, but there's no real welfare system.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But if we took these people off, off the streets for a year, there would darn sure be more hours labor available in the nation for everyone else. And who knows, maybe some of our graduating high school seniors would find out a little bit more of th-, what the traditional American work ethic means. You know, we have had some problem with that in recent years.
[speaker001:] Oh, well, yes, we have. With, with, uh, recent generations I, I know exactly what you are talking about, I, I mean, I know several people who do not wish to work.
[speaker002:] Uh, they wish only for the paycheck.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, they wish for the money and they, they decide that they're going to get the money anyway they can with, you know, without, uh,
[speaker002:] Really producing.
[speaker001:] without, without working in the, the traditional American job market.
[speaker002:] Yeah, be it selling drugs or whatever.
[speaker001:] Right. So, one other thing, and they, they get the money anyway they can.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. And maybe if we instilled the work ethic, you know, I enjoy the, I enjoy working.
[speaker001:] Yeah. |
[speaker001:] are you a player
[speaker002:] uh I like to think I am it's it's been a while now
[speaker001:] is it
[speaker002:] yeah I've uh oh just recently I got married and we bought a house we're about fifty yards from the golf course but unfortunately the house is taking up my time
[speaker001:] um yeah
[speaker002:] so it's been uh it's been almost a year I guess since I've actually uh swung a club for a purpose
[speaker001:] yeah I haven't I haven't played in about two years and then I went out two weeks ago with the guys here I work at TI and I played in a tournament out there and I shot a net fifty nine they were kind of little upset
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but I guess I laid off long enough to get rid of all my bad habits
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I have a hard time inventing shots you know let's go around this tree and you know try a slice through a hook here and I can't do that so I I finally got out and I've been watching quite a few videos I
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] hadn't been able to play so I took out a few videos and watched them for a while and I I hope I'm on the right track you know I shot a career low eighty nine so and my handicap's twenty I
[speaker002:] yeah that's that's great yeah
[speaker001:] I like the
[speaker002:] no it's uh I could say it's been a while for me too I uh I've got my wife motivated about it um
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] and uh I think that's probably going to be one of our next investments is get her get her a set of clubs and uh we'll get out of the driving range and and get some interest built up and hopefully we can uh we can start in
[speaker001:] yeah I've tried to get my wife I bought her a set of clubs four years ago she hasn't even swung them but she wants to get into it now after I came home and won the tournament the other day she's
[speaker002:] really well great great that's good
[speaker001:] she's ready to get off into it but you know I like I just like getting out being in the outdoors and I'm a hunter and a fisher anyway but you know I I you know at least I can get out and play a few hours of golf and
[speaker002:] yeah same thing here
[speaker001:] it's not going to cost me an arm and a leg really
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and I you know I walk I don't ride so you know I get a little exercise there too so
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah that's I've got the same attitude I uh I tell you I I started I guess the first time I played golf has been probably about eight or ten years ago now when I was in college
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh I took uh took it as a PE course and then kind of left it alone for a while and then finally got got into it when I was while I was still in school
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] since then uh we've made it um as as the friends start getting married and things like that we've made a tradition of uh having a a Thursday or well have have probably like a like a Thursday night bachelor party and a Friday golf day before the wedding
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh so it that's back in South Dakota where I grew up and uh so that that's uh that's been my main my main involvement is it seems like I go home and play golf more than I do around here but uh
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] eventually I get people to come and visit me in Dallas and then I'll show them that we can play golf in the middle of winter when we can't do it back home
[speaker001:] yeah it's pretty nice we played out here a couple of times in the middle of the winter when my parents came down and what not they were amazed
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know here it is sixty five degrees we're out playing golf and they're freezing cold back there so
[speaker002:] yep yep
[speaker001:] but I uh I I picked it up when I was in high school at on the same as a PE course and then when I got into the service I got into it
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] and then when I come out here I just kind of let it go and then one of one of the guys mentioned to me at work one day if I played golf I said well yeah you know I've got my clubs but I haven't swung them in quite a few years
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and then I got into it and then back out of it and it it just seems like every couple of years I get back in there
[speaker002:] yeah that's right
[speaker001:] you know I really enjoy it it's really nice
[speaker002:] oh it is it's it's a lot of fun especially especially if you can find somebody that's uh that's got the same level of interest that that seems to be the hardest thing well about that's that's that's true of any sport you know if you want to play tennis or
[speaker001:] yeah yeah you don't want to go out and get beat to death but
[speaker002:] racquetball right and and people don't want to play with somebody that they're going to beat every time you know and and uh and
[speaker001:] no and then you know we've got some guys here they're you know four and five handicappers and they don't like to play with me because I'm too slow for them so
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] you know but get somebody around your own handicap and you can just mosey on out for three or four hours and have a good time
[speaker002:] that's right yeah
[speaker001:] and I've you know I've never yet never yet have I walked up now I've walked up a few times on the golf course by myself with nobody else to play with and never yet have I met anybody on the golf course that wouldn't allow me to join their twosome or threesome you know they're always friendly sure come on out you know and they don't mind if you make a mistake they don't mind saying well you know let me teach tell you how to do that or teach you how to do that or
[speaker002:] that's true that's true well
[speaker001:] you know it's it's pretty nice and friendly out there and you can't find that in all sports
[speaker002:] that that that's uh yeah that's absolutely right and you can gain a lot of ground doing that too if you
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you you know you you get stuck you get in a rut if if you do play a lot but you play with the same people you you aren't going to learn anything uh after after a short period once you learn everything they've got to offer then uh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah you need to
[speaker002:] you know you've basically tapped your resources there
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh I'd I'd like to uh eventually I'd like to work work up if if my wife does get interested and and maybe get involved in a league in a in a mixed mixed doubles league or something like that
[speaker001:] oh yeah we we have one down here in the summertime uh it runs from like five o'clock to seven thirty or eight o'clock you know because it doesn't get dark until nine thirty or ten
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] and we play in the summertime out here we get a mixed league in and that's what I'm trying to get her ready for it's going to start well when we change the time back whenever that is next month I guess
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it'll start then and you know we had a lot of girls out there a couple of years ago and they were just starting to learn and you know they were shooting a hundred a hundred and twenty but they were
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] you know now they're down into the hundreds nineties nineties nineties so it won't take her long
[speaker002:] right well that's good that's good that sounds like a lot of fun
[speaker001:] you know and it's something we can do together so well she doesn't do much hunting she could care less about that she does a little fishing but you know golf would give her the exercise she'd be outside give her something to do that we both enjoy so
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it it sounds like we've got real similar situations uh I I go home uh I've gone home every year now since I've moved to Dallas to to go pheasant hunting and uh
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] um the the last time I I took my wife along and uh kind kind of the same situation she sat she sat in the house and talked to my mother the whole time we were out hunting and stuff but
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] she'll definitely uh she'll make the trip for fishing if we if that comes along but uh
[speaker001:] yeah all right
[speaker002:] it's uh that's interesting though
[speaker001:] yeah and it's you know it's a game that you don't like bowling you know you feel bad if you bowl a hundred but if you shoot a hundred in golf you know you don't have to be an expert to play any novice can pick up a club and learn how to hold one and learn how to do it and do it right
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right um-hum
[speaker001:] so you know you don't have to be an expert in any aspect of it at all
[speaker002:] that's right well yeah that's I've I've kind of formed the attitude that you know if if I could just if I could pick two or three shots out uh out of my game every time and put them together on one hole then I do pretty good and then and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I keep I keep rationalizing that well you know I I can do it I I just got to do it all at the on the same hole and and then it'll get better and you just keep going and in the meantime just enjoy what you're doing and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it it it really works that way
[speaker001:] and when you know when I first got back into it I used to get mad because I knew I could do something and I didn't get it done you know and I just well I need to slice this ball around here I naturally slice anyway
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] now you know the ball'll go straight and I go I never broke a club or anything but you know I'd get upset about it sometimes and now I guess you know being in my forties I just kind of mellowed out a little bit I don't get upset any more so
[speaker002:] yeah yeah sure sure
[speaker001:] and
[speaker002:] yeah that's great
[speaker001:] well I enjoyed talking to you
[speaker002:] well you bet
[speaker001:] I guess I'll go back to work
[speaker002:] okay sounds like it
[speaker001:] all right see you later bud bye-bye
[speaker002:] okay bye |
[speaker001:] live in New York and capital punishment is illegal in this state and uh it's just coincidental that that's the way it is but my feelings happen to be that I'm against capital punishment uh and I feel that it's barbaric actually it seems out of date with civilization as
[speaker002:] really even if the the crime is extremely extremely serious
[speaker001:] I think so because I think what we're talking about is is uh life making and life taking decisions and I I don't think any one human being has the right to take away the life of any other human being not that it's a a religious feeling or anything like that but it seems hypocritical to me that we'd say in the case of murder for instance that uh because you took away somebody else's life and because that is so very wrong we are going to take away your life I don't see that that makes any sense really
[speaker002:] well it's not necessarily someone has the right but we do have the responsibility to punish criminals so if some person just blatantly slaughtered painfully killed ten people does he really have the right to continue living and be a burden on society
[speaker001:] I don't think it's a matter of the of the murderer's rights I think it's a matter of our uh penal people's rights and I don't think they have the right to take away a life no I think definitely there should be uh severe punishment uh to deter other people from doing such heinous crimes uh for instance I think life imprisonment should be necessary for anybody who commits any murder of any sort and I also think that uh other things that are currently not legal in the country should be made legal such as putting prisoners to work and making them earn their their pay
[speaker002:] yeah I agree with that part yeah definitely
[speaker001:] but I think life imprisonment is a much better alternative to uh people that perform crimes I think also people that are prone to commit a murder are not going to be deterred by the thought of being put to death I think that if they're uh the sort of mentality that they could do such a thing that it doesn't matter what threat you pose to them that that wouldn't change things as far as what they were capable of doing so I don't see it as much of a deterrent either
[speaker002:] well some criminals would see it as a life in jail doesn't particularly sound too harsh to someone who's been living on the street you know for all his life and then uh jail jail time would seem like uh you know a break or a a paid paid sustenance for the rest of his life
[speaker001:] yeah and I think that's unfortunate that is probably the way it is today and I think that ought to be changed uh I think like I said I think people ought to be made to pay for their stay and not make it pleasant for them I think hard labor should be required even among people that are are are not able
[speaker002:] yeah make it make it harsh as possible
[speaker001:] to perform hard labor you know if they if they died naturally from working then I guess that would be okay because that wouldn't be uh putting anybody to death forcibly
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh I I can't see I can't see executing people it just seems so barbarous barbaric in these times
[speaker002:] uh well I live in California I'm not really up on it I I think we don't have capital punishment either huh-uh
[speaker001:] in California I I thought there was but I could be wrong
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] what amazes me is how many people speak out in favor of capital punishment even here in New York people really want to see it uh be put into effect it seems more so than those of us who feel the way I feel uh uh at least are vocal
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] saying that no they want things to stay the way they are lot of people want to see capital punishment made legal
[speaker002:] yeah I'm one of those guys
[speaker001:] okay um I guess uh I guess we did what we have to do and I don't see any instructions as far as doing anything else so I uh it's nice talking with you
[speaker002:] okay you too you too bye bye
[speaker001:] okay take care bye |
[speaker001:] I you know actually in this modern day and age it seems like uh uh we have more and more leisure time because uh we have so many uh convenience appliances and whatnot and we don't even have to cook dinner anymore uh
[speaker002:] yeah really
[speaker001:] but I uh I've heard I don't know this for a fact but I've heard that a lot of families really don't spend a great deal of time together that kids the kids maybe on the average get uh something like thirty seconds of quality time with the parents
[speaker002:] that's what I've heard too uh
[speaker001:] it seems bizarre to me I don't quite understand it although I think probably the the worst thing that's happening in the world at least the modern world today is television
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] not so much because uh it's bad per se although there is some pretty crappy programming and I think there's also some uh I think um poorer lifestyles illustrated but simply because it dominates so much discussionary time
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] it's so darned easy to turn the thing on
[speaker002:] I know it I've I've found myself sometimes just sit down after work and
[speaker001:] so I refuse to have one in the house yeah
[speaker002:] oh really well good for you good for you a lot of people I've talk to a lot of people about that and I've thought about it myself and I thought about it a lot
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] but uh I still haven't done it yet well that's good
[speaker001:] well I'll tell you television sure makes child rearing easy on you I mean the kids can be a real pest uh and turning the TV on is almost like magic you know it's uh like sticking uh an electrode into their pleasure center and you don't have to worry about them
[speaker002:] that's true I've noticed that
[speaker001:] but I don't think it's too good
[speaker002:] I don't think so either
[speaker001:] um so you know I don't know I take advantage I don't have a great deal of time to spend with the kids but I take advantage of um dinner time we always eat together and you know whenever you're with your kids you wanna interact with them rather than just ignore them
[speaker002:] do you keep your kids uh active in sports or anything or
[speaker001:] uh I guess our big outlet is music um our thirteen year old son plays violin and our nine year old daughter plays cello
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] and uh when our son started playing violin I took up violin and when our daughter started playing cello I took up cello so there's plenty of
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] plenty of interactive time in uh practicing although neither kid likes to practice I guess that's not a big surprise
[speaker002:] no not for kids
[speaker001:] but I mean I imagine with infants you are most of your time is sort of spent taking care of them rather than interacting with them
[speaker002:] yeah well I I I try and read to them and
[speaker001:] although you
[speaker002:] and I take them to the park and stuff and
[speaker001:] oh you know reading is so good
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I uh I took great pleasure in reading to my kids when they were little and I still try to read to them although our son is not liking that anymore
[speaker002:] yeah well they get to this stage
[speaker001:] uh but I read you know there's this Doctor Seuss sleep book have you ever seen that yet
[speaker002:] sleep book no
[speaker001:] yeah it's called a sleep book and uh you ought to get it I tell you I read that book to my kids so many times I almost have the thing memorized
[speaker002:] uh we've got a quite a few of Doctor Seuss's books and
[speaker001:] yeah well I think I think his sleep book is my favorite
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] well yeah I like to I like to do it and they enjoy reading and I've actually I never read a lot growing up and I never read until a few years ago I just started picking up books and so it I've found that you know it's really important to me to get to read to I like to get away in a book you know
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and so I've put a lot more emphasis on that on my kids
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] to try
[speaker001:] so how much time do you think you spend with your kids on the average per each day
[speaker002:] oh I probably spend an hour or two
[speaker001:] oh that's great
[speaker002:] my wife works at night so she does uh Tupperware so she's gone a lot at nights and so I spend a lot of time with them
[speaker001:] oh I see so how old are your kids again
[speaker002:] they're two and one
[speaker001:] two and one
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] yeah so you have your hands full with them that's for sure
[speaker002:] yeah |
[speaker001:] we're to discuss a little bit about the process of putting someone in a nursing home and and making the decision on a family basis and probably the first question would be whether you've ever had to go through that process
[speaker002:] well not so much personally but my um husband has an aunt who has been like a second mother I mean always lived in the same town and took care of him and such they live down in College Station where his parents do too and they put her in a home last year she appeared to have a couple of light strokes and started to uh not be able to be in her apartment on her own
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] so they found a a place nearby that they put her in last year
[speaker001:] so it was pretty much a physical decision
[speaker002:] uh yeah although she is uh in pretty good health and she's doesn't take any medication it's just she had had her own apartment and drove a car and everything up until that point
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] then she was starting to get uh you know lose memory sometimes and which is kind of frightening when she's in the car
[speaker001:] yeah my husband's family are reaching that point but it's it's so difficult was she in favor of it or or was she
[speaker002:] uh well yeah when it finally came down to it um she just got to the point after the I mean it wasn't a very um strong stroke it was just kind of all of a sudden she wasn't herself anymore
[speaker001:] kind of opposed to it uh-huh
[speaker002:] and she got kind of fearful of being on her own she never really ate very well it was one thing she hardly ever took care of herself and she didn't eat she ate very poor so I think she was you know bad uh nutrition on top of
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh she got to the point she didn't want to alone anymore so
[speaker001:] so often I think though elderly people don't realize that their diet is that bad I work with a lot of elderly people I'm a trust officer
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] and so often they think they're adequately caring for themselves when they're really not eating very much or very balanced meals
[speaker002:] well she was almost ridiculous like she'd eat ice cream and cookies
[speaker001:] yes well you know that's part of the aging process that your taste buds goes back to the sweet taste it really is yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] she'd didn't one oh really well she didn't want to cook for herself anymore oh that's too much trouble that's too much trouble didn't want to cook
[speaker001:] yeah and the portions people don't want to try to figure out little bitty individual meals I do that right now and I'm not near nursing home age
[speaker002:] yeah although they've got uh Meals On Wheels which I understand is a really good you know way to handle that so that at least they eat
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum so as a family you all just visited nursing homes or probably in College Station there wasn't a whole lot of choice
[speaker002:] no I don't think there was um I know a little bit more from a a coworker her mother-in-law had been in for quite some time and had different degrees of a place that she was in
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um she was ambulatory and so there was a lesser care uh then she got uh uh hip broken and then uh she wasn't as ambulatory so they were almost you know to the point of saying she can't be here anymore but
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I remember from her checking around she ended up staying at the Arkansas House I think out in Arlington something like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh you know the type of facilities whether it's a shared room or two separate rooms that share uh a uh bathroom all of them all seem to say that people there are going to steal their items
[speaker001:] oh yeah that's a given
[speaker002:] they they're always saying that somebody's going to and some of them I think unconsciously do it you know as a just you know half senile
[speaker001:] um-hum and sometimes the the help there does it I think
[speaker002:] hum so they they uh don't have too many facilities it seems for their personal items very limited space waste but um at least they all seem to have some
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know people that monitor their uh medication intake and dining facilities you know go to the dining room and and eat some good meals I know when my friend's mother-in-law first went in I mean
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] very antisocial maybe it takes a while for them to say okay well I'll be with other people but
[speaker001:] adapt yeah
[speaker002:] yeah I don't understand that they they don't want to be with anybody else
[speaker001:] I as I think I mentioned I was in the trust business and I've seen so many elderly people usually there has to be some wealth involved which is great if if you're financially if if you don't make the decisions so late that you're worried about money but
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] the the places like Presbyterian Village and some of the the retirement places where where they have different levels of care seems to be so much better as far as elderly people adapting they're able to move in while they're still independent and still social and and they do group things
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and then as health or or mental capacity deteriorates they're able to take the next steps without so much change and oh I wish everybody could go that direction rather than just all of a sudden moving out of the home they've always been in it's really kind of difficult
[speaker002:] yeah I have a um my aunt's mother is uh gotten ill recently and uh she lives in Pennsylvania they live in Alabama and they're saying hey we need you to be closer and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you have uh women like that I don't to men it seems like the women out just out live their husbands but very reluctantly that whole I mean they don't get out of the house they don't socialize but it's my home and I don't want to leave it
[speaker001:] uh-huh well and it's the first step in in actually accepting that you are failing and and aging
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] you know once you make that step you know that it's just going to be downhill from then on and and I've seen people really fight it that desperately needed to make the change
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] they they became in fact that's probably what's going to happen with my husband's mother she's going to endanger herself before she'll willingly and probably will never willingly make the decision and that scares me the the thought of forcing somebody to do something
[speaker002:] but it's it's so lonely you know they can't get out and see anyone and I mean it's hard for for someone like me to understand that because I think I think what do you have there it's a house it's walls and it's furniture but
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh not as independence
[speaker002:] there's nobody there don't you want to be close to me
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean you know be with other people I just don't understand why they so much want to just stay in that building and there's no family there they don't get to see their grandkids they don't get to see their children they just there in that house
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah and the quality of life really isn't there
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] oh it's tough it really is
[speaker002:] that's from the child's standpoint the child is going why don't you want to be close to me and your other family what does that house got attraction I never really thought of independence
[speaker001:] uh-huh well they fear being dependent on somebody they they fear being a burden to to family members
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] my husband's mother will have major surgery and we'll find out about it in a casual conversation she'll let something slip and we'll say wait a minute and and that's it she just well I didn't want to bother you she can't accept that we want to be the care givers
[speaker002:] well when she got home who took care of her
[speaker001:] yeah well she stayed she stayed in a temporary nursing home until she was okay
[speaker002:] ah
[speaker001:] you know it's just but it's frightening to us b ecause we live pretty far from her she's down in Temple and we can't see her often enough to really know what's going on
[speaker002:] um-hum um
[speaker001:] so it's difficult it really is and we're all heading that way and
[speaker002:] yeah my husband and I we have been thinking about his folks are in College Station and we've pretty much planned that we'll be here in the Dallas area and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] there's nothing to hold them there in College Station since they're retired so we thought maybe we could get them to move a little closer here
[speaker001:] yeah |
[speaker001:] opinion on uh domestic or our policy towards uh Latin America is that especially during the Reagan now Bush administrations we seem to have a double standard in place over um how we treat them countries down there for example a left wing regime or communist regime is God awful and uh basically uh you know Satan incarnate while nations like for a long time uh El Salvador and uh uh Guatemala with with right wing regimes we kind of just winked at things like death squads and alike yeah we found Nicaragua to be the most horrible thing in the earth
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and I just felt and it's the same thing with Cuba that we we really seem to have this kind of double standard down there whereas if your regime doesn't want to bother us a reason of threat to us we'll kind of ignore you you can do whatever you want but if you invite the commies in you know look out
[speaker002:] or if it it doesn't even have to be commies if it's just a little left of uh of uh what the prevailing attitude is in the United States it was bad somehow and um certainly the right wing death squads were just as uh deadly if not more so than anything set up by any of the left wing governments uh and and that uh showed in the uh who allowed to to come into this country
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um if people are coming from left wing countries uh it was viewed that they were uh only seeking uh economic uh benefits and not actually escaping uh death threats whereas if uh they were coming from right uh am I saying this correctly or if if if they were coming from um right wing regimes um
[speaker001:] you wouldn't want them in
[speaker002:] we wouldn't let them in yeah
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it's like Guatemala how many Guatemalan and El Salvador refugees have we seen and heard about in the last ten years yet Nicaraguan refugees for the longest time were welcome with open arms as escapees and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and and any communist type of regime down there I mean the whole the whole farce in Granada
[speaker002:] oh gosh what an embarrassment
[speaker001:] right was it just I mean it was the most ridiculous thing and this is the kind of policy that we have down there I mean then we have this fake drug war
[speaker002:] no with uh
[speaker001:] down there and that seems to be well we'll give you aid but oh no not to feed your people no we want you to clean up uh our drug problem for us here's some money go shoot people with it you know
[speaker002:] right what was the whole thing with Panama I mean here we were paying uh Noriega for years and and then suddenly we go in and bomb his country and uh in Panama and and and try and indite him I I don't understand what that was all about
[speaker001:] well it's the same thing that happened with Iraq for years and years here we are sending money over here playing these people off of each other it's was same thing in Iraq playing Saddam Hussein off off you know off of Iran in this case Panama off of Nicaragua and uh Cuba and any of the other left wing regimes down there here we are giving them all this money and they're crooks and then when they don't do something that's suitable to our particular policy we have to go and invade them
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] and for what what does it leave us with absolutely nothing I mean it wouldn't surprise me it wouldn't have surprised me if uh Noriega got off on all of the charges that you know instead of being found guilty and then let him go just isn't we're an embarrassment you know
[speaker002:] truly truly
[speaker001:] and and I just think you know we have this kind of short term we are not interested in developing the region unless there's big business involved and wants to get involved down there we we tend to treat them as sort of like a backyard and you know I'm just just like Mexico
[speaker002:] right it's sort of it's our our little colony is that they do just if they provide the labor and the debiting of uh of Ford or uh uh the united fruit then that's fine
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] but uh if they're actually trying to educate |
[speaker001:] well who's the team
[speaker002:] well I think uh NCAA is going to go to Kansas
[speaker001:] oh really well I I'm picking Duke because uh they just won it
[speaker002:] they just won it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] holy cow I just walked in I I didn't even I guess it's I can't believe it's over already
[speaker001:] it's just yeah it's just over just uh about five ten minutes ago I guess it was a good game uh they won by about eight I think
[speaker002:] what was the score
[speaker001:] either five or eight it was a good game but uh Duke was just too much for them Kansas just couldn't couldn't hang with them
[speaker002:] well I suppose they must be still must be pretty good if they took on UNLV so
[speaker001:] oh yeah and see I was I was really thinking that they might have a let down because I I I was in a basketball pot and I picked uh Kansas for I guess more or less an upset but I I was thinking that uh Duke might have a let down after playing such a tough game with UNLV but uh I tell you what they uh they came back and put it to them it was a good game but I I I had thought all the way through that UNLV was going to be the team that would just walk away with it
[speaker002:] well you and everybody else
[speaker001:] that's right that's right I tell you what they uh they they looked like they were just men among boys but they they they fell I tell you
[speaker002:] well a lot of pressure on them though I think uh I don't think they had the same type of enthusiasm enthusiasm or attitude probably too conservative or too
[speaker001:] yeah yeah they they just need to go for it instead of uh worrying about the other team because I think if they would play their game I don't know if there's anybody that could that could keep up with them
[speaker002:] uh yeah yeah well what about professionally
[speaker001:] but uh I I was since the
[speaker002:] I'm out in uh Phoenix uh Phoenix there so the Suns are starting to look pretty descent but there I think yeah
[speaker001:] yeah that's right yeah here in Dallas I'll tell you what the the Mavericks are having just all kinds of problems
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I tell you
[speaker002:] well I used to live out there and uh seems like they've well Tarpley just got pulled over again
[speaker001:] oh really yeah so he he's uh he's probably going to be going to jail and and the problem with him is he's on a guaranteed salary like for three years so whether he plays or not they've got to pay him ten million dollars so if they uh they can't hardly trade him because nobody wants to pay that much for him and if they just keep him that hurts their salary cap so that guy's got Dallas in a big old bind but uh they they I think they've just got to forget about him and uh try to build a team without him maybe go for some good they ought to get some good draft picks this year
[speaker002:] who who else do they got on that team now I
[speaker001:] they've uh they've got Derek Harper that's a real good point guard him and Rolando Blackman
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh really they're about it they've got a guy named Herb Williams that that I guess sort of was supposed to take the place of uh Tarpley but he uh he just doesn't have the offensive skills
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and then they've got James Donaldson who's been there forever playing center and uh
[speaker002:] yeah how's he doing this year
[speaker001:] just all right but he's getting to where uh I don't know if it's his age or what but he just can't play the whole game they've got to get somebody young that can uh run the court that's still big
[speaker002:] how about the guy from North Carolina
[speaker001:] oh uh not McCrae but uh let's see are you uh Perkins
[speaker002:] Perkins Perkins
[speaker001:] they traded Perkins Sam Perkins they traded him he was from North Carolina and uh they traded him to the Lakers last year and that he was a good player and then they they've got a
[speaker002:] that's right that's right okay yeah he was a finesse player he was good
[speaker001:] yeah and then they they uh last year went out and got oh Fat Leever and uh Alex English and and Rodney McCrae
[speaker002:] Dantely didn't they get Dantely
[speaker001:] yeah they didn't and I'm not for sure what the deal is on him I think he's been hurt but he hadn't played he hadn't played in probably two months and I've I've gone to about three or four of their games and I don't even think he was on the sidelines so I I think he hurt his knee or something but he he definitely didn't turn out to be anything like he was supposed to so uh
[speaker002:] I think that was involved with the Perkins Perkins trade to tell you the truth
[speaker001:] it uh you know I I bet it was
[speaker002:] oh oh no no no no no no it was what is his name McGuire that was McGuire yeah
[speaker001:] that's right that's right from uh uh Detroit that's right that's who that was yeah because I don't think they got anything from Perkins I think he was a free agent or uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah free agent his contract ended and they didn't sign him and uh
[speaker002:] I don't understand that I thought that he was always a good player
[speaker001:] you know he was but he just went for the the big bucks I think Dallas was going to pay him like sixteen million over five years and he got something like eighteen or nineteen million from Las Angeles so he just went where the bucks were and shoot you can't blame him man that's that's a phenomenal amount of money but uh yeah the Mavericks are sucking it up I tell you
[speaker002:] are they over five hundred
[speaker001:] uh no I don't think so they they were right before the uh uh oh what do you call it all-star break but ever since the all-star break uh shoot they've they've played terrible
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh so now it'd be really to their benefit to to really play uh some bad ball and and hopefully get a lucky uh lottery pick
[speaker002:] because uh
[speaker001:] there's no way they can even I think mathematically they're out of the play-off scene now
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so you know they they need to just play for a play-off pick
[speaker002:] yeah I think I think the Suns are
[speaker001:] or a you know the Suns are are pretty good
[speaker002:] well they had I don't think it was last year the year before they were doing really good and I think they had an off year last year
[speaker001:] they're uh yeah and they did they made some trades uh oh they had one white guy I can't think of his name that was real good
[speaker002:] did you say white or black
[speaker001:] white uh Chambers yeah and uh
[speaker002:] Chambers yeah he's the big guy yeah
[speaker001:] you know if if they could get somebody to help compliment him you know I think they'd be uh awesome because that guy can play that Chambers is is something else but uh I don't know it'll it'll be interesting
[speaker002:] I haven't been I don't follow basketball real close but
[speaker001:] I I really don't follow the pros that close either they they just play so many games that uh you know it's just hard t o keep up with them but college I really enjoy college basketball
[speaker002:] yeah the big ten didn't fair too well in the tournament
[speaker001:] the most no they sure didn't sure didn't
[speaker002:] I'm I'm from the midwest so
[speaker001:] oh okay so you keep up with the
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I kind of watch you know see what's happening
[speaker001:] uh yeah more of a football powerhouse I guess
[speaker002:] but uh what's that
[speaker001:] more of a football powerhouse up there I guess
[speaker002:] well no basketball is you know Michigan won it last year
[speaker001:] is basketball pretty big do what
[speaker002:] yeah Indiana and Michigan uh and uh Iowa and
[speaker001:] I
[speaker002:] Ohio State Ohio State was ranked like number two most of the year
[speaker001:] that's that's true that is right
[speaker002:] Michigan won the NCAA last year and and you know there's always about six teams that go to the tournament uh from the big ten it's it's
[speaker001:] yeah so that's a tough conference
[speaker002:] they are they're really good in all the sports they
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] actually in the last few years um football you know looks like has gone down a little bit so
[speaker001:] yeah because Ohio State used to be just a perennial powerhouse
[speaker002:] yeah and uh
[speaker001:] but uh and Michigan too but uh well I tell you what I appreciate uh the conversation and uh we'll have to we'll have to see how Phoenix ends up
[speaker002:] yeah we'll see
[speaker001:] you too bye-bye
[speaker002:] alrighty well uh have a good one okay bye-bye |
[speaker001:] [Beep] Hi, good morning.
[speaker002:] Good morning.
[speaker001:] Do you have recycling in Sachse?
[speaker002:] Yes, we do. We've
[speaker001:] Do,
[speaker002:] got, uh, a pickup twice a week that they come out and, they have their own special bin that they hand it out to everybody and [breathing] they take it.
[speaker001:] Oh really?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And it's twice a week?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Really? We have,
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] recently started, uh, a bin program here in Plano where, uh, used to be we, we put all of our trash in green bags and the trash men came out twice a week and picked up. And now they have, uh, these large green containers and you have to put your trash that you don't recycle in there. And then they haven't started curbside recycling yet, but they're, but they're planning on doing it very soon. Apparently the trucks that they had, um, lined up, they needed the parts for,
[speaker002:] [Noise] [paper shuffling].
[speaker001:] Saudi Arabia [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] And so that put off [barking] the program for a while. But, uh, do you recycle?
[speaker002:] Um, my kids do [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Do they? Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Put it that way. They,
[speaker001:] [Knocking] [at door].
[speaker002:] they've been recycling cans
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] for extra money.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So that's, that's been their summer money and they're fixing to go to Disneyland. So,
[speaker001:] Oh, well
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] that's great.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well that's the way we started too. My daughter was going,
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] to Camp Goddard, um, which is through the Plano school system, you know in the fall
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] couple of years ago and she had to earn money for it and she was too young to baby-sit. So, that's how she started. She started recycling cans and from there we now recycle glass and newspapers and, uh, aluminum cans and plastics.
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh [NOISE].
[speaker002:] Is, is that the same way as with the aluminum cans [NOISE] where you go and they,
[speaker001:] [Breathing] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] weigh it or whatever and,
[speaker001:] No, the only thing we get paid for are the aluminum cans.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] Um, the rest of it we just do because [LAUGHTER] my husband has become hooked on recycling.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And so, you know, we don't get paid for that but that's okay.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, it's, it's not that much of a bother really. You just have to rinse out your bottles or whatever and we use a lot of,
[speaker002:] [Children talking].
[speaker001:] two liter bottles. Um, and like milk cartons and things like that. It's amazing how much plastic you generate.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I was amazed at how many cans
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] that we got because when the kids first went down, I said, that, you know that's great and I was thinking, you know maybe I'd help supplement it, you know
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] when they turned them in but [breathing] [NOISE] it's amazing how many cans you go through.
[speaker001:] Yeah it really is.
[speaker002:] And how fast they accumulate.
[speaker001:] Well all that stuff and how much, how much we have reduced our waste.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You know, that we, we're generating a week. Um, I know our neighbors, when we first went to this bin program said, oh, there's no way, you know we're going to have to have pickup twice a week. They were real upset but they weren't, they were only picking up once a week. And we said to them, if you recycle, you'll, you know, you'll go two weeks without having to put out the green container.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, it's, it's really amazing. The other thing he does, that my husband a real stickler about is we don't collect our grass clippings.
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] No. He, he got a little mulcher thing.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's just a little attachment for the lawn mower and we mow once a week. You know, no, no more often then that. And then the clippings just get mulched up and then just lay on the, on, on, the, uh, [lipsmack] the lawn. And it's amazing, it's amazing. We don't collect any of that and that, that has cut down a lot in what we throw out.
[speaker002:] Yeah, we don't e-, we don't catch it either, mainly because my husband rarely has time to mow the yard. So, if it mows, gets mowed, I do it normally.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I can't mow the yard with the grass catch on it.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It's too heavy.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So I just m-, [LAUGHTER] I just mow it and leave it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It just soaks in.
[speaker001:] Sure it does. Sure it does. It really does and it, actually they say that you're wasting fertilizer
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] if you're not, uh, if you're catching your grass clippings. That, that's that much fertilizer you have to use because it does fertilize the lawn. It's amazing.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Oh, I like it better doing it. Well one, [child crying] it cuts down on my mow time anyway
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, that's true.
[speaker002:] and you zip through it quicker.
[speaker001:] That's true. That's true. Well, I, I really think you're going to get hooked on plastics and paper [LAUGHTER] before you know it.
[speaker002:] [Child crying] [LAUGHTER] Proba-, we probably will.
[speaker001:] It's, it's really not that much trouble. We keep a large plastic, uh, just a, you know, a garbage bag in the garage.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And as soon as we use something, you know, we crush it up and put it out there and then, you know, every few weeks we have recycling, a recycling center like near Wal-Mart.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They're, they have the containers that you can just go over there and drop it in and it's really no trouble.
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack].
[speaker001:] And, uh, I feel like at least we're doing something.
[speaker002:] [Noise] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know,, um, I read a book one time or a m-, a magazine article and they said something about how you don't realize even just your small contribution, it seems like a small contribution but it's not. If everyone were to recycle just their newspapers, they would s-, save thousands and thousands of trees a day.
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] A day, just from not throwing out your newspapers. And, uh, when you read that you think, well gee, maybe it is a big deal,
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] you know.
[speaker002:] What, what makes me sick is, is when they show the dump sites
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [NOISE] [hammering].
[speaker002:] you know, and, and, how big they are.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Or like in New York, the barges that
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] that go up and down the, the river
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and they don't have any place to put it and it just floats in the, it's like ugh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, and that's really not necessary.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] It really isn't if everybody would do just a little bit it would make a big difference. It would make a huge impact. So, I'm excited about the recycling program in Plano [NOISE] [hammering]. I, I, can't wait for them to get it started.
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] Um, because it'll be that much easier for us, you know, like I said, now we have to take it over to, to Wal-Mart. It would be real nice if they just came by and just picked up.
[speaker002:] Yeah. It, it's
[speaker001:] Um [throat clearing],
[speaker002:] it's convenient out here for them to do it.
[speaker001:] Now what, what do they pick up? It's just,
[speaker002:] They pick up the, the plastic, the glass, and the newspaper.
[speaker001:] Oh they do?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. And do you have to sort that?
[speaker002:] And they will do the alum-,
[speaker001:] Or do you just put it all in.
[speaker002:] No, you just put it in the one bin and, and I guess they do the sorting. But, um, they'll do the aluminum cans too but we don't give them those [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right. Right.
[speaker002:] The kids keep those [LAUGHTER]. So,
[speaker001:] So you're doing that now? You're doing the newspapers and the glass?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well
[speaker001:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] we don't, we don't take the newspaper to begin with. When, neither one of us are home t-,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] to read it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So we don't have the newspapers but the, the plastic and the glass [child]. At first, when it first started, it, it, it was hard.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, because you're just used to throwing things.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] [LAUGHTER] My husband would,
[speaker002:] [Child].
[speaker001:] come home and go through the trash
[speaker002:] Uh!
[speaker001:] and say, you threw this away [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] He would get, he would get all upset and I'd say, it's just such an automatic reaction. And now
[speaker002:] It is.
[speaker001:] we think before we throw anything away. I mean, it's really funny. We, we really, once you get into the habit of it, it's okay, it's just, it's just making it a habit that's hard [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, I know. Well the kids have even got to the point where they, if they see anybody going in the trash can with a can, you know, they, they're, oh, no, don't do that and they go to the sink, they rinse them out, and they put them upside down, they let them drain and [NOISE]
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then, uh, after a couple of days they take them all outside and, I put them in a big bag anyway
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then they dump the bag out and then they crush them. So that's
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] their activity thing. To go out there and crush.
[speaker001:] That's fun. Yeah, yeah,
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] yeah. Oh, that's a lot of fun.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's a lot of fun. Well, that's great. Well I'm to hear you're,
[speaker002:] [Children talking].
[speaker001:] doing that. I, my sister was here recently from Connecticut and they have a deposit on all their bottles and cans.
[speaker002:] Oh really? [Voices fade]. |
[speaker001:] Okay, what did you buy?
[speaker002:] A Ford Explorer.
[speaker001:] I'm sorry, what?
[speaker002:] A Ford Explorer.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah, one of the new ones.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, um, I'd, I'd probably buy another, this is the first American vehicle I've owned.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So I would probably purchase another one, um, I would be more selective in the dealership that I purchased it from but as far as, uh, the quality seems to be there, um, it's quiet, it's, it handles well, um, but I believe I'd get that or a Porsche, one of the two.
[speaker001:] Oh really?
[speaker002:] No, not [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Um, if I had the money, I think I would love to own a, a B M W.
[speaker002:] And why would that be?
[speaker001:] I don't know, I, from what, or either that or Mercedes, just because they're put together so well. It seems like they last forever.
[speaker002:] What's wrong with the Volvo.
[speaker001:] Oh, I don't know, they're, they're not as nice looking.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Uh, m-, to me, I don't know, I'm sure there are some that are, but everyone I've seen is kind of plain, but.
[speaker002:] What, what city are you calling from?
[speaker001:] Sherman.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] Where are you?
[speaker002:] Up in Dallas.
[speaker001:] Dallas.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] B M W or Mercedes, yeah, well that's a, that's a,
[speaker001:] If I had, um, had the money, I mean that's just, I know I never would own one, but, uh, I don't know. I like, my actual favorite cars i-, were, uh, like the Ford Thunderbirds
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] of nineteen eighty-five. I really like that body style, but I don't own one of those either [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] What do you presently drive?
[speaker001:] Uh, Mercury Topaz.
[speaker002:] Um, fun.
[speaker001:] Cheap taste, cheap taste in cars, okay [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well there nothing wrong with those, uh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they're all right, it's, it's a good car, * Looks like A.37 and 39 should 3 slash units
[speaker002:] They're, they're nice veh-,
[speaker001:] I mean, I've never had any problem with it. *See parsing note above
[speaker002:] they're nice vehicles, nothing wrong with those. It, um, it's just everybody has their own taste, but man the Mercedes are expensive. My wife has a Volvo and it, it's nice, I mean, you know, it's okay an.
[speaker001:] Sorry I roped on Volvos then [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Huh?
[speaker001:] Sorry I roped on Volvos then.
[speaker002:] Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no it, it, I, I kind of wish we would have maybe gone for the G L rather than the D L but, because they-, it is the safest car on the road, uh. * slash error
[speaker001:] Oh, is it?
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. * slash error
[speaker001:] See I don't much about them I guess.
[speaker002:] Yeah, there just safe to just, that's the reason why we mainly got it. We got white and it's the safest four door, you know, it's good for, if you have a family, which we do.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We just, we just one out and so it's, it's, uh, um, you know, they're kind of low to the ground after driving the Explorer. You know, I presently, I used to have a two, eighty Z, and I'm a tall guy an, and, uh, they're hard to get around in traffic to see.
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] Because you can't see a car ahead of you, but they're fast as lightning and all that crap. But the Explorer, I mean, you're sitting up on top of everything and you can really see real well. And I just, it's so comfortable and, and, uh. * I'd call this an incomplete slash unit
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So, you're, what are your feelings about American versus European cars?
[speaker001:] Um, I like anything besides Japanese. Of course everything has Japanese parts in them anymore. I don't like Japanese cars,
[speaker002:] Why not.
[speaker001:] But, uh, European, I don't ha-, have any, I mean, those are the kind I usually end up liking the most. American cars, a lot of people say they, they don't last long but I've never had any problem with, um, my Mercury, or, my cous-, my husband has a, uh, Cougar and he's never had any problem with it either, so, [pause] [breathing] I don't know.
[speaker002:] That's the way it goes, I guess.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well what are your, I guess this is your first time to buy American, so.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I was real hesitant but it was [breathing],
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I don't know, uh, I mean, I think European cars are great, course you've got to have metric wrenches and stuff and they're eas-, some, some of them are easy to work on. A Volvo, being a four cylinder is very easy to work on.
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] Uh, excellent warranty, I mean, just, unbelievable warranty. And, and, uh, of course, Ford isn't too bad. I think Chrysler would probably make a good vehicle, uh, but all of it has to do, in my opinion with the service.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and the attitude of the service, of the dealership.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I wouldn't send my dog to buy a car from Middlekauff Ford.
[speaker001:] Where?
[speaker002:] There's, Middlekauff Ford in Plano.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Their just, their attitude is just slimy. And, and, uh, I've written a, a letter to Middlekauff and I've told them that, matter of fact I got another letter last night from the Quality Ford Division, their still concerned about my attitude *spelling "their" should be "they're and it, it will never change about that place.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] And, uh, but, uh, anyway that's my own personal comment I guess, but.
[speaker001:] Yeah, this girl that works for me just bought a car down there and sh-, they, they had a problem with they, uh, took their Camaro in to get it traded and they, they hadn't signed any papers and they had all ready, uh, taken it in to paint it and everything and everything was stolen out of it and the people, um, wouldn't reim-, reimburse them for anything.
[speaker002:] Middlekauff wouldn't? She needs to find herself a lawyer. She'd, she'd come out like a champ on that one.
[speaker001:] Yeah, so, I've heard some stuff about them. But, um.
[speaker002:] So ha-, have you been using, well anyway.
[speaker001:] What.
[speaker002:] That was, I was asking you some questions about the telephone and how long and how many have you been doing, but that's,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] they, they don't want to hear that.
[speaker001:] Oh, just about a week.
[speaker002:] Is that all? A week.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Good Lord, I think I started in January or February.
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] Oh God, I've, I'm like twenty some phone calls.
[speaker001:] Oh, wow.
[speaker002:] That's why I, I wasn't sure if this was the second time around or what. [breathing] [LAUGHTER] Well look, I've enjoyed speaking with you.
[speaker001:] Yeah, you too.
[speaker002:] And keep smiling.
[speaker001:] Okay, thanks.
[speaker002:] Bye, bye.
[speaker001:] Bye. |
[speaker001:] so I've been concerned about crime lately um it's really scary to listen to the news every night and to hear about all the problems I wondered if you were taking any special precautions in your neighborhood
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum well I I think we have a neighborhood watch I think I'm not real we don't get real involved we're never home so um
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh well I know they were gonna start one but uh I haven't heard any more since so I don't really know but as far as personally doing something no
[speaker001:] no hm
[speaker002:] how about you
[speaker001:] well we moved in when we moved in there there wasn't any outside lights and so we've been trying to install some
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um outside lights and we put up a fence in the backyard mostly you know not so much thinking that we would deter someone to break in but that our children would be safe playing in the yard you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah yeah huh
[speaker001:] and I guess most of the crime that I'm concerned about generally is against my my kids it's scary to send them off down the street a few houses
[speaker002:] oh I'm sure it is
[speaker001:] to let them go play with someone and because of what you hear about people getting picked up and everything and
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] so I have to spend a good deal of time watching them walk down the street and say call me before you leave and come back and
[speaker002:] uh I would too if I had kids we don't have any we did install a um a uh motion detector light back in our driveway
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and that was mainly it was so when we pulled up the light would come on but also we have a boat back there and we have neighborhood kids that like to get into mischief so we thought with that light you know it would
[speaker001:] um-hum oh no
[speaker002:] maybe keep them from doing something to the boat yeah so
[speaker001:] then that's a good thought well we've been real lucky that I don't believe there's been you know much trouble in our neighborhood but it but it does seem there that there is a lot more here in Plano of um just
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] bored teenagers vandalism
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's what it is we live in Coppell and and that's pretty much what it is is you know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] kids that are bored like you say
[speaker001:] but yeah and they don't uh I know my sister-in-law who lives in our neighborhood they've had their they've parked their car out on the street before and it's been spray painted and
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh no
[speaker001:] a few things like that and course you know I don't know I'm getting scared for the kids to get older because you don't know if it's someone their teenagers know who and or is it just random
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] crime but um we've been real lucky that no one in my family with the anywhere that they live has had been a victim of you know a serious crime
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but uh it's really scary to know that you you can live a normal life and try to be a good citizen but it doesn't mean you'll be safe and
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh I know it hm
[speaker001:] but I guess I take a lot of um little bit of um safety in knowing that a lot of the crimes that they report are like drug related or um things that places usually that I wouldn't be going and things I usually wouldn't be involved in
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum yeah yeah huh
[speaker001:] and uh there's not so much of it completely innocent victims compared to but it is scary
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it is it really is
[speaker001:] were you raised in this area
[speaker002:] yeah I'm originally from Chicago but I've been in this area in the Louisville area for uh let's see about twenty three years
[speaker001:] hm um-hum so has it been getting worse that you've noticed or about the same hm
[speaker002:] oh definitely in the last few years I think and uh like I say now I don't think necessarily in this area here but
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] just Dallas in general I don't know I think back of when I was uh younger and in my party days some of those things I did you know I wouldn't be caught dead like being out that late at night in a dark parking lot so
[speaker001:] right right take a lot of chances well I noticed that um that uh when we we moved here from Houston not too long ago and so of course we were interested in schools and um
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] but the schools in Houston all have big tall fences around them and they're not really very safe
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and so it's been interesting to come to the Plano area where the schools don't have fences at all around them and it's just a whole different idea that that at least the people here feel that their kids are pretty safe at school
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and in Houston that there was the mentality that they weren't safe at school
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] and so that's been something that's been good for the you know in this area that you feel like um you know there's not going to be too many knifings or shootings at school today and I guess I don't know how people live with that everyday
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um I don't either
[speaker001:] pretty scary
[speaker002:] yeah hm
[speaker001:] but anyway well I guess I won't take up more of your time
[speaker002:] hm |
[speaker001:] okay well personally I don't have any children I'm twenty two and I'm doing my Master's at NC State so uh uh children wouldn't be very convenient for me right now
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh well no they wouldn't would they no
[speaker001:] so what what how do you spend the time with your children
[speaker002:] well both of mine are boys they're eight and eleven
[speaker001:] oh okay and they
[speaker002:] and we're into sports I mean as a matter of fact that's what we're doing tonight
[speaker001:] yeah what what are you doing
[speaker002:] uh baseball has started
[speaker001:] oh okay do do they play like uh like does the eight year old play baseball
[speaker002:] oh oh yes we start here at uh five
[speaker001:] okay and and in in in his league do they have like a pitcher or do they have a standing ball or a machine or what
[speaker002:] up until it's coach pitch until you get nine which my little boy will be nine in May so he's going to be with uh regular pitching and my eleven year old of course you know is pitching
[speaker001:] okay oh okay yeah I I used to play soccer when I was that age up in New York so
[speaker002:] uh-huh but yes we're into baseball and it seems like soon as that over with we get into basketball we even have peewee basketball here so there's always something
[speaker001:] yeah and how about how about like on the weekends do you do sports or do you go out
[speaker002:] both if we're not doing sports we go somewhere
[speaker001:] do you go uh how about like for uh do you go for long vacations like a week or something when they have school off
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] in the summer or like in the Easter time like around now
[speaker002:] no usually in the summer time
[speaker001:] and where do you go
[speaker002:] different places every year we
[speaker001:] have have you been out of the country
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] oh okay well first they always say get to know your country first before you leave I mean I I lived in places like when I lived in Washington uh Washington DC I never went to the Washington Memorial and then when I went back to visit I went to the Washington Memorial
[speaker002:] uh-huh you know I've heard we have a couple of friends that goes to Washington quite often and that must be the thing they really hadn't either they went to the Memorial you know because when they go it's on business it's not really just to getting to sight see
[speaker001:] right right well it's it's a beautiful city and but the problem is like first example when I was young they they took me to Las Vegas and that was the most boring place on earth
[speaker002:] oh I bet it is too uh-huh oh now my husband and I we go different places but our children but when we go with our children we usually kind of stay close
[speaker001:] yeah did uh did like did you go to Disneyland
[speaker002:] oh yes yes yes
[speaker001:] oh okay so but um now I don't know but um but let's see when I was eleven I went also to the Caribbean
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] that that was fun that was and uh then after that I my sister lives in Turkey so when I was like fourteen fifteen I went I went to Turkey and this Christmas I went to Turkey but basically
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] it's uh for the past couple of years uh I since my parents are are well I'm from Argentina and my parents live down there so all the traveling I do is alone
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh we were never much of uh a very uh family thing you know may like go skiing in Vermont or something
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] that was uh that was a lot of fun but what happens is we used to fight a lot so there's never much of a family family thing you know one of those hell family vacations
[speaker002:] yes yeah yes oh yes but we try you know uh I try my husband also we're involved in everything our kids does because uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] my dad died you know when I was less than a year old so I always just had a mother so I always thought when I have kids you know I really want to be involved with them
[speaker001:] yeah well my dad all he all he wanted to do was get money for us so he could buy us material things and
[speaker002:] uh-huh things yes that is yes
[speaker001:] and and to me you know it's like now I'm twenty two but I still feel you know it's like yeah we never threw a football or something and the way I was brought up and he wants me now he like he you know like he wants to be best friends now and it's very
[speaker002:] uh-huh best friends now yes
[speaker001:] hard for me because you know it's like you grow up to be twenty years old and it's always the same man and then suddenly he sees that he's getting old
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and he wants to be best friends but uh you know it's like
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I can only express myself so much because you know of everything that he taught me you know that my family taught me which is very hard to change that all of a sudden from one year to the next and say I'm sorry you know it's like
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know I love you and let's go out and do things together when I don't feel like it you know
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] and so that's uh that the same thing that you know its like when like like I've seen my uncle and his family you know does everything together and you know his kids are you know when his little girl was five years old and everything they uh they would go to the beach and she could go to sleep at two in the morning
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] you know and uh I was brought up the same way if if it doesn't matter what age you have if just so long as you can get up to go to class the next morning you can stay up you know but his what he does is when he gets home he separates his his work from his house
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh yeah yeah you have to I mean you honestly do now I have friends that I love to death but and they have children but their children does anything we have to take them and
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] you know to do it and that really gets kind of aggravating after a while because you're saying well I work full time too you know
[speaker001:] yeah yeah but uh it's just it's just something that you know my theory is you know when when you have kids and all you want to do well what I'll do is you know it like I mean you might have a problems but it's not your kids problems you know and you got to try to to be with them as much as you can and to you know like thing is is that you know like if
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] if they would ever happen to have a drug problem suppose that they could feel comfortable coming to me and saying I got a problem
[speaker002:] problem uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know and uh and that would make any parent feel good and bad at the same time you know first of all you're coming to me and let's see how we can get rid of the problem you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and that's uh that's very that's very hard to do because once you're best friends with your parents then I think everything go a lot better
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah uh I agree with you very much so now we waited several years before we started having children because we was still in college and we knew time wise or and money wise too would it would not have been a good idea to had them then
[speaker001:] yeah yeah my my father was raising four kids oh well three kids before he had me so it was uh you know you're trying to support uh four kids and it's pretty hard you know and I and I told them listen you could have had a lot of money if you would have only had two kids
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] he goes yeah but then I wouldn't have you I go yeah but then you would have a lot of money you know
[speaker002:] that's right but you can't take this money with us though that's how I keep looking at it
[speaker001:] yeah but you know like four I mean four four children is expensive especially when you consider like especially for for me which I'm paying out of state tuition I'm paying you know three thousand no what is it two thousand six hundred dollars for one semester
[speaker002:] oh yes yeah uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] and uh you know people say you know it's expensive for to send kids to college but if if an everybody would be a little bit responsible you know it's like what what does it cost it costs five hundred dollars a semester suppose that they go to a state college and they live at home
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know and well it costs two hundred dollars for books but you know seven hundred dollars a semester a lot of people can spare that if they planned ahead you know like
[speaker002:] oh yeah if you can't if you can yeah
[speaker001:] I mean it's like if you plan a year ahead you can probably save up seven hundred dollars you know one thousand four hundred dollars to send your child to college you know
[speaker002:] yeah what are you wanting to be
[speaker001:] oh oh excuse me
[speaker002:] what degree I mean what are you wanting to do after you get out of college
[speaker001:] well I I'm doing computer science computer engineering
[speaker002:] oh that that's my husband's into uh computers
[speaker001:] yeah and and now I'm looking for a job before they have to send me back home
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] because since I'm an international student they want to send me back to Argentina well my dad wants me to go back so
[speaker002:] yeah and you don't want to no no
[speaker001:] no no because if you go back there then you can never get out
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] like you don't have any money to to get out
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so uh and uh I was thinking you know like oh my God you know I go back there and then and then I might get married there and then I will have kids there and then I'll never leave the place you know
[speaker002:] hum then you'll never leave yeah oh
[speaker001:] yeah I know and that's that's what happened to my brother he came to school up here and then when he went down there he was just so bad off you know from not being able to stay up here that
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] his life just went down the drain so
[speaker002:] well maybe something will open up for you
[speaker001:] yeah I I've been calling a lot of companies there some of them are interested well at least for a year and a half I can work so
[speaker002:] uh-huh well maybe well I've enjoyed talking to you okay bye-bye
[speaker001:] I'll do it all right same here bye-bye |
[speaker001:] I'm Doug
[speaker002:] hi how you doing Doug my name's Brad where where you from
[speaker001:] from Pennsylvania
[speaker002:] oh okay I'm from New York
[speaker001:] yeah okay so anyway now we're talking about drug testing an all that and you ready okay so what do you think about it
[speaker002:] right right yep okay oh I definitely I I think it shouldn't be if it may be the only exception is when there's public safety involved you know bus drivers uh train train motormen stuff like that you know
[speaker001:] right right I agree with you basically so might be a boring conversation but um but anyway I agree that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um only when there's any question of safety does the employer have a right because otherwise I feel that the measure of whether someone is to stay employed or not it is just performance whether you're able to do the job up to par and that and if that can be done it shouldn't matter whatever the employee might do in his private life
[speaker002:] yes um you're right it's probably is gonna be boring I agree with you a hundred percent
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] uh you know but I I I think that uh I mean people think that they have an interest in in finding things like this out about their employers because it's probably and and maybe it's true that that if if you if you tested people and if they were drug users
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] probably I mean I might even agree with you that they're probably gonna to be less productive employees um I'm not sure about that but I would say that that that may be that might be a good indication
[speaker001:] yeah that well probably at least on the average
[speaker002:] but but you could also you might be able to tell by a person's uh you know whether they're overweight or underweight
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh you know you might make certain value judgments about that you can make value judgments probably about about a number of different things that are clearly within the realm of someone's private ability
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know private you know private interest or or you know I'm trying looking for a word in other words you know maybe maybe uh heavier people uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] tend to not be as good workers you know or maybe maybe extra uh uh ultra thin people tend to not be as good workers maybe people that smoke cigarettes aren't as good workers uh you know
[speaker001:] right certainly and certainly in any case people who drink alcohol a lot are probably not as good workers I think that most drug testing programs don't include that
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] they're really interested in looking for illegal drugs it seems to be more for the purpose of law enforcement than for
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] the purpose of the employer's best interest for the job
[speaker002:] that's true that's true
[speaker001:] yeah um
[speaker002:] so we could talk about pets that was my last subject you know
[speaker001:] oh I see um well we're supposed
[speaker002:] what's that music in the background
[speaker001:] uh that's Miles Davis yeah
[speaker002:] oh okay a little tribute to him or
[speaker001:] uh right exactly it's on the radio um so
[speaker002:] ah that's a good background for this conversation all right well anyhow nice talking to you I I don't think we have to stay on the whole time and we've we've agreed too much
[speaker001:] anyway right okay yeah I guess not and I think we've said about what we have to say sure thing bye bye
[speaker002:] okay take care have a good day bye bye |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] so what do you guys having up there I haven't been up there since oh Lord forty eight I guess well no no it wasn't forty eight it was it was uh
[speaker001:] forty eight that's a long time um
[speaker002:] let's see yeah it was forty eight I was in the Air Force we did an we did an air show out at uh out at uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] Bowling Green no out at um Andrews yeah
[speaker001:] Andrews
[speaker002:] so what's it been like up there
[speaker001:] well for the past week or two it's been cold and wet
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but before that for most of the year it's been hot and dry
[speaker002:] yeah uh like September was hot and drier October
[speaker001:] um September's really was I'm not sure about October I think for about twelve months through September the the average temperature had been higher than normal each month
[speaker002:] really huh
[speaker001:] um lots of ninety degree days during the summer
[speaker002:] it really has been strange here this year I mean this whole year course this whole year has been a different year in more ways than one but uh we had uh you you know all these we have all these uh uh somebody said you know you're either a stranger or a fool if you try to predict Texas weather but we had all these people saying it was gonna be the hottest summer ever you know and we had all this rain and it really is not a bad summer at all really cool but all of a sudden in in um in October
[speaker001:] good
[speaker002:] um September October it got real hot and dry and just stayed that way for a long time then uh then the end of October it started rain almost a week without stopping just pouring down you know and flash floods everywhere and that kind of deal and then uh uh end of November the first like the second week um you know the first week actually we had we had a freeze
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] and the average you know the average uh first frost is like the fifteenth of November here but usually it's not until later it's really strange
[speaker001:] oh if you had it early yeah I think we usually have a frost in October
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um but you know we really need the rain that we've been getting and it has not today but the last few days it's been been pouring most of the day
[speaker002:] is it is it is it flooding anywhere
[speaker001:] is it flooding anywhere I have not heard of it any problems of it flooding anywhere I mean that's occurred certainly at times in the past but uh no I've not heard of any particular problems this time
[speaker002:] it just kind of uh cloud we're supposed to to have a chance to get some rain the next couple of days here uh which will be you know a little bit more typical uh autumn weather but really it's strange we haven't really had an autumn it's like we went into winter without you know the the poor trees said what what's that
[speaker001:] yes yeah yeah yeah we had we had uh summer lasting long and then it then it then it became winter like
[speaker002:] yeah uh uh and
[speaker001:] uh today it's today it's it's sort of change it's warmer to sort of more typical autumn day
[speaker002:] yeah there you you know usually there's uh I have a a farm a hundred miles east of here in East Texas
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] and you know all these huge trees just like the eastern hard wood belt all the way up to Maine you know it's that same trees pines and and hard woods you know hickories and oaks and stuff and um I was up there last weekend and there are trees that that still have their leaves on and they're green but they're dead you know the freeze the freeze just got them they they weren't ready for it at all apparently and and we haven't had a typical fall at all no not much color and you know changes have a color at all
[speaker001:] guess not
[speaker002:] really weird this year I'm not sure what that what that means
[speaker001:] I don't know yeah our leaves are are all on the on the ground now I think it was a especially good winter for fall colors
[speaker002:] so you you all actually had some color huh it kind of crept in and
[speaker001:] the oh yeah yeah oh yeah we we did for a time
[speaker002:] yeah it's usually beautiful up there isn't it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] oh gorgeous that's yeah I'd I'd say you could drive along in Maryland and and look at the sweet gum trees on each side and the and the pines and what not and and you could you know you could be driving along East Texas and it looks just the same it's almost you know identical identical kind of country
[speaker001:] um-hum but not this year for the trees for the leaves
[speaker002:] beautiful yeah oh really yeah I was up I was up there cutting some firewood this weekend yeah pull little oak tree that was dead and
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] cut it up and split it it was kind of fun
[speaker001:] yeah this is because it it can't tolerate a freeze this early is that right
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] if it would came later it'd be all right
[speaker002:] uh it it there's some trees like the oaks like a white oak seem to be pretty hearty that nothing bothers them their leaves are still green and some of the other oaks there are a few oaks that have lost their leaves um what I notice mostly is the red maples the the leaves are just dead the dogwoods look still look you know they got uh bit on the ends of leaf a little bit but they still look pretty good
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] it just depends on the on the uh on the tree |
[speaker001:] well on this subject of invasion of privacy yes it's very easy for anybody to find out about you your
[speaker002:] well I don't really like that very much
[speaker001:] yeah uh the special on channel thirteen that was broadcast I think last week or so ago it detailed how this one person went about finding out this particular person from this particular person his home mortgage how much he pays for it what his payments are uh his uh social security number driver's license any kind of records he may have uh their credit card and the status of their credit
[speaker002:] what was the reason why somebody was trying to find out all that stuff
[speaker001:] it was just as a demonstration to show
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] those who were watching it how easily obtainable information is on any single person and it was mostly it dealt with uh marketing companies these uh direct marketing
[speaker002:] oh yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] associations that was the primary subject that's how they obtain information about segments of society and group them into age brackets uh their habits their hobbies their income
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] and they're able to do that through all the manipulations of the computer
[speaker002:] that's not really good I don't know I guess that's an invasion of privacy I'm not sure that that's an everyday thing though at least not for you know an individual
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] something that I feel is a is a pretty much an invasion of privacy is something that's really so common that it's accepted as the norm now is the open the open office concept
[speaker001:] the open office
[speaker002:] uh-huh where they have the you know the little partition dividers throughout a a large room and and people have little cubicles well that's all fine and good but you don't really have any privacy at all
[speaker001:] yeah not insofar as maybe making conversation with somebody I suppose suppose because it you can easily be overheard overheard
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and they get I suppose any items that you have laying out can be easily seen
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah there's there is
[speaker002:] and and it's not it's not just that it's uh the whole thing about you know if if you're trying to concentrate well it's rather hard sometimes it's almost impossible to do
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] because um you know you're uh you're time and you're space is is not your own space
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I've work in a situation like that and I well kind of have a problem with that
[speaker001:] do you work with uh mixed company male and female or
[speaker002:] oh yeah is there anybody who doesn't
[speaker001:] well there there are a few out there it's I suppose it depends on who you're working for and where at
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but um my own environment is open totally there are no cubicles there's nothing to block anything
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] so yeah but um I guess we're changing ever so rapidly in the devices of communications that anything can be obtained from anybody's record or
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] the computer is the the big advent of that I believe because it they can all hold such large data bases on anybody that all you have to do is touch a button and it appears
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] in front of them and you don't have to I I know the government sells information to private companies about individuals or families
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that's no secret and it shouldn't be that way I don't think
[speaker002:] yeah I don't I don't think that's that's quite right either
[speaker001:] I mean it's not really government for the people and by the people I'll tell you that
[speaker002:] yeah hm
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] what do you think could be done about it
[speaker001:] uh the only way it can change is um if if everybody bands together it's just like we need to get rid of these clowns that's serving in the office the only thing really that can be changed is for us to everybody to say we've had enough of you out you go but uh I don't see anything like that to occur unless everybody bands together to do that it has to be one common ideal goal for that to be done um I don't know it's it's still a a free I suppose country insofar as we're we're able to obtain information and I wouldn't be for total banning of uh all information or it's mostly the private information that we're all concerned about but it's it's hard to define
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh a lot of those boundaries
[speaker002:] it really is it's something that something that I've just had a a dealing with is like a credit bureau
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] well they take they take my name which is a very common name and my last name is even more common
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they they check that name against uh their list and they find several and without even bothering to try to match up any other information at all they just report everything under that name
[speaker001:] so you've received a lot of uh flack
[speaker002:] they don't they don't even check my social security number
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and companies are paying them good money to report accurately and they're not they're so lazy they're just not doing it I mean they just find your name and they match it up
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know and that just drives me crazy because they're and then they want then you know to get it removed they say well you know you have to write this write this long detailed letter and everything like that to them you know and then it takes three weeks and all and I'm like baloney
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you messed it up you fix it
[speaker001:] is that usually what you tell them in the letter
[speaker002:] no what I've taken to doing lately is calling the company that they report
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] like uh uh recently I was reported as having JC Penney accounts and I don't so I called JC Penney and I said uh I just wanted to let you know that the credit agency you're using is incorrectly reporting the information that you're providing to them and they say uh-huh because they really don't want to pay for services that's not being done properly either so then they can call
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the credit bureau and say hey you know we're paying you good money to report this properly and you're not doing your job
[speaker001:] good idea
[speaker002:] so that's what I've taken to doing lately and it seems to work pretty well so far
[speaker001:] um-hum oh that's good any other problems
[speaker002:] not that I can think of
[speaker001:] yeah I I guess I've just about run out of
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] I I can probably go on but it's it's uh I'm clouding up right now
[speaker002:] oh yeah probably better let you get back to work
[speaker001:] well it's nice talking to you
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] maybe again
[speaker002:] alrighty bye-bye
[speaker001:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] okay okay do you uh do any woodworking
[speaker002:] I do and I really love it um
[speaker001:] oh um what do you do for a hobby or for
[speaker002:] uh-huh I do it for a hobby
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I have my own equipment and I have a jig saw and a scroll saw and uh in the process of getting a router
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and so I like to cut out my wood and then tole paint on the items that I cut out what kind of things do you like to do with wood
[speaker001:] well I'm not the one that cuts them out my husband cuts them out but um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] he likes using the little band saws and jig saws more than the stroll saw because the stroll saw is
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] is a lot slower
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and then um he's got a router but now he wants a plunge router
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] but anyhow he cuts them out and then I I took a tole painting class
[speaker002:] oh um-hum
[speaker001:] to learn how to paint them right you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and what we wanna do is you know make them and then maybe take them to these craft shows or flea market things and see and see if we can sell some of them
[speaker002:] uh-huh yes
[speaker001:] but uh I really like it so far
[speaker002:] oh that is fun
[speaker001:] and then my neighbor had a little doll made out of wood so I took a pattern off of that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then it's just a wooden doll with a painted face and then you you make the dress for it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and you drill holes around the top of the head and you you stick in uh like rope
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh the twine
[speaker001:] and tie ribbons around it it looked really cute you know so I've got a couple of those started
[speaker002:] yeah those are so cute they are really cute
[speaker001:] yeah and then uh but as far as wood work that's all we've been doing right now
[speaker002:] oh that is that sounds really fun I love those well they have a really fancy boutique out here in Ogden Utah
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I just got back from that today so if you could get your projects into boutiques oh they are wonderful
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you could make a lot of money from those
[speaker001:] what do you do I wonder how you you just they buy them from you or you just give them to them on consignment or something
[speaker002:] uh apparently with that boutique um they take oh what was it twenty percent of the sell price you would put your sell price
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh and then they would take twenty percent off of that
[speaker001:] um I see
[speaker002:] at the counter and so and then at the end of the boutique which usually runs for a week
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] then they give you what you earned
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] so you have to decide what your price is going to be and then
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] up it twenty percent so you can get what you need out of it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so if the customers are willing to pay it then you get a profit
[speaker001:] yeah these little things are so cute though you know
[speaker002:] they are I I have seen those those are darling
[speaker001:] I I went through some of the books down here at the craft shop you know and uh there's a lots of little things you can get to cut out in fact I just sent to Shop Smith
[speaker002:] um-hum oh
[speaker001:] back in Ohio for a rocking horse pattern
[speaker002:] oh oh that's what I want is a Shop Smith that's my ultimate
[speaker001:] yeah we well Gene's got one of those too
[speaker002:] oh does he oh that's my ultimate dream oh you're lucky
[speaker001:] yeah so anyhow yeah well uh he's retired now and um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I'm kind of semi retired my company went bankruptcy so I'm drawing my pension from them but I'm still looking for a part time job you know
[speaker002:] oh yeah oh oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but um he has all day long that he can you know work on this stuff and
[speaker002:] oh how fun
[speaker001:] do do cut outs like that you know and he's got a lot a lot of tools so
[speaker002:] oh how nice I'm jealous
[speaker001:] it's just it's just getting started you know
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] but um these little wooden things they seem to sell really good um I know a lot of people that have gotten them you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] my next door neighbor every time she sees something she thinks it's so cute she wants to buy it you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] so I'm just hoping that you know that we can get some cut out and painted you know before summer summer starts because we don't want to have garage sales or anything like that in the winter time you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but um
[speaker002:] well how is the market for things like that in California
[speaker001:] it seems it seems like they go real good you know I mean the country anyhow out here and I live out in the valley and country seems to be the in thing out here
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] you know everybody wants little country pieces so anything that looks like it might be country is what they want you know yeah
[speaker002:] hum-um they just snap it right up huh oh
[speaker001:] and uh this little rabbit that I made in uh tole painting class you know is like a welcome it's got a it's gonna have little wooden hearts holding it in its hands and then welcome written on those little wooden hearts
[speaker002:] um-hum oh
[speaker001:] and |
[speaker001:] your turn
[speaker002:] oh I I start okay well uh we keep a budget to an extent um and really it it we were really forced into keeping a budget because I'm I'm paid once a month which sort of sort of forces some uh uh restrictions and you need to make sure all your bills are paid uh how about yourself
[speaker001:] well I have to say I really don't have a budget both my wife and I uh grew up in uh families of rather modest means and uh our family income at this point is comfortable upper middle class I guess you might say and uh we're both so uh frugal that um we really don't need a budget you know we just sort of invest the money and go on vacations and always never seem to have any money problems which I guess is a comfortable thing
[speaker002:] yeah well I guess that really is sort of of keeping a budget you know you stay within your uh
[speaker001:] well we stay within our means but we don't do it uh by conscious effort it just sort of happens automatically
[speaker002:] within your means yeah
[speaker001:] although we just moved to California and uh the cost of living here in California is um I would say rather pathological
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] uh housing prices are you know like from four to ten times more expensive than um um they were where I came from in uh Dallas yeah so uh
[speaker002:] oh you moved from Dallas to San Francisco that is a huge difference
[speaker001:] uh that presents um a real shock actually actually our standard of living has gone down somewhat since we've moved to California but
[speaker002:] yeah but you have good sour dough and it's a beautiful place to live
[speaker001:] yeah it's God's country uh and one way you know that is that only God can afford it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um so budget is not a problem for us uh least it hasn't been it may it may be at this point but uh up until this point it really hasn't been when I uh was in uh undergraduate school a long long time ago I uh noted that the monthly salary starting average monthly saly salary for engineers that in my discipline was like oh six hundred and ten dollars a month or something like that and uh I noted at that point that I was
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know if that's what my salary was that I drew then I would be making almost twice as much as my father made during his best year ever so I stopped worrying about money and uh never have worried about money since then
[speaker002:] yeah well that's that's a system too
[speaker001:] sometimes uh it's a bit of a a problem you know because I guess I don't really manage my money the way I should but uh I suppose I've lost money on not taking good advantage of of uh investments but
[speaker002:] well then again you know you said you you are able to take trips and you do obviously have enough to live on so I guess you're indirectly budgeting
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh just by by the fact you said that you're both very frugal uh in spending the money so I mean that's that's a form of budgeting I would think it's kind of a kind of a strange topic to to try to for two people who don't really have a budget to talk about budgeting and how they manage their money
[speaker001:] well I guess we're both lucky in that regard then
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh how big is your family
[speaker002:] uh well we're we have one on the way um my wife and then we're we're having one on the way in uh in uh September
[speaker001:] I see so how do you and when once you get ten children though you may have
[speaker002:] no I think it's just going to be one
[speaker001:] oh all right
[speaker002:] how about yourself
[speaker001:] I have two kids uh one nine and one thirteen and they are beginning to be a budget problem but uh have not been really up until this up to this point
[speaker002:] oh do they budget at all I mean do you have them on an allowance or
[speaker001:] I give them uh I give them an allowance and they um I basically give my son ten dollars a week and I put half of it in the bank and I give give him the other half in cold cash
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh he has a teller card so he can uh do what he wishes do what he wishes with the money that I put in the bank but at least it isn't you know burning a hole in his pocket
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] if he wants to use it he has to go get it and that usually |
[speaker001:] Well, what d-, do you think in terms of, uh, benefits?
[speaker002:] Well, personally, you know, I think, you know, of course I'm sure we're familiar with the exact same benefit package and I think that, uh, we've probably got one of the best around, you know, besides, they tend to offer ad-, adequate vacation, I guess. And the paid time off is wonderful, and, uh, one of the things that we were just talking about as a matter of fact this week at work was the CODA Plan that is offered and I think that is just a, a fabulous one, so. I don't know if you participate in that or not, but
[speaker001:] Absolutely.
[speaker002:] isn't it great? [LAUGHTER] It's just a, it's just a miracle that how fast that adds up, you know.
[speaker001:] Well, I have to agree with that. You know, I was thinking about, uh, importance of benefits and that kind of thing, other than salary
[speaker002:] Uh-huh
[speaker001:] while I was waiting for, uh, the system to find a, a respondent.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I started thinking that over the years that importance has changed and I suspect that that's probably true for everyone.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] When I was much younger it was, uh, less important to consider retirement and less important to consider medical benefits. But as I grow older and my family grows, it, the medical benefits are more important and the retirement is more important.
[speaker002:] I had never really thought of it that way but I guess that's true, I guess that's true. I'm still young enough that, that, uh, the vacation's real important to me and the paid time off is real important to me and, and that kind of thing. But, uh, you know, I was just, as a matter of fact, I just, uh, celebrated my fifth year at T I the end of last month and, uh, kind of started looking through the, the book because of that, you know, now that I'm a hundred percent vested, you know, you kind of look through the book and see well, what exactly, what does that mean and what is the pension all about and, you know, when you're, when you're, you know, in your, I'm only in my late twenties now, so you tend not to think about retirement. But, uh, it's, I guess now is the time to think about it, so. Does T I have a pretty good retirement package, do you think?
[speaker001:] I think they have, uh, a-, one that we need to recognize that we're going to have to supplement ourselves.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And that's certainly one of the reasons that I'm sure that they've begun the, uh, CODA Plan.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] certainly a, a supplemental way, uh, and I suppose if, b-, maybe in, in your instance, if, if you're started with T I in your early to mid-twenties, and happen to stay with them until you're sixty-five, then you'll have a very good retirement plan.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] But I had another career first and then came to T I a little later.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So it's not, uh, all by itself it won't be adequate for,
[speaker002:] It's not going to build up,
[speaker001:] for my situation.
[speaker002:] quite enough, yeah.
[speaker001:] So, I have to find a way to supplement that.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, they just, they seem to make it so easy to save. You know, one of the things that we're doing which is probably the worst investment in the world, but I've got money coming out to buy savings bonds, just coming straight out of my check. And it's probably not a great investment, but if I wasn't doing that the money wouldn't be being saved anyway, you know. I kind of have to trade off, you know. If you never see it you don't spend it, so [LAUGHTER]. And it's,
[speaker001:] I unders-, understand though, it,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, believe me, I do that myself.
[speaker002:] Do you? Yeah?
[speaker001:] And I disagree with you. I don't think it's the worst investment,
[speaker002:] Do you really not?
[speaker001:] in the world.
[speaker002:] I, I, fr-, you know, I, I debate about whether it's really good or not, you know.
[speaker001:] Well, it's, in terms of guaranteed return on investment and maybe you don't start looking for that word guaranteed,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] until later.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, it's shown a history that, uh, sure beats anything else.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's true. That's very true.
[speaker001:] Over many, many years.
[speaker002:] We went, uh, and did a, a thing through I B S which is a, like a financial consultant [NOISE] type thing here in Dallas and, uh, one of the things that we talked about with the counselor there was, [NOISE] you know, they work up this whole big, you know, proposal, profile for you, that, ev-, all the things that you need to work on and you need to do. And then one of the things that we talked about with her was, you know, the need to save for our son's education. We have a two year old, you know, and, and, you know, we can't start saving for college when he's sixteen, you know, we have to do that now. And, and uh, they have a way that they can figure, you know, what, you know, and he's two now, in sixteen years when he's ready to go to college, this is how much it'll cost, you know, and it's just really scary the thought of how much it's going to, it's, what it costs now is ridiculous, what it's going to cost sixteen years from now is just really scary. And they sat down and figured up that we needed to save like between fifteen and seventeen hundred dollars a year at a, oh, you know, six percent interest rate, to be able to have, you know, money for his college. And that's exactly what we have coming out in saving bonds, is, is, you know, about fifteen hundred dollars a year. So, I guess it, you know, in that way, at least we know that that's taken care of, you know. We, we can worry about other things so,
[speaker001:] I understand,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that approach. That's,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] what, that's exactly what's happening in my family.
[speaker002:] Is it really? Yeah.
[speaker001:] Un-, except that mine are a little bit older and, and I've shown them the numbers and said this is what's going to be available, all this is going to do is give you a little spending money while you're there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You better make sure that you've got a scholarship.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]. *slash error
[speaker002:] That's right. Well, that's what she said to us. She said, now, do you all want him to go to a, a state college or a private college? And, and our answer was, that, you know, we will have enough money available for him to attend a state college. And if he wants to go to a private college, he can get a scholarship to attend, you know. And that was kind of our view on it. It just costs too much, you just can't do it, you know. So, I don't know, it's, it's, I don't, uh, it just amazing, it amazes me how much the, the costs are going to go up over the next ten or fifteen years. I just don't know how anybody's going to do it.
[speaker001:] I know. *slash error should be 'aa' And boy, it gets really scary when you start talking to them. Uh, I have a, an eleven year old daughter now who's saying, gee, Dad, I want to be an allergist,
[speaker002:] Oh, goodness.
[speaker001:] and I said, that's wonderful. I applaud that. Let,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] me explain to you how you get scholarships to do that.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Exactly.
[speaker001:] {C And,
[speaker002:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] then } her little brother's only two years behind and he says, well, I don't know, I think that I probably want to be a veterinarian. And I said, that's great. Let me explain to you how you get scholarships [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] That's right,
[speaker001:] to do that.
[speaker002:] That's right [LAUGHTER]. Well, you know, T I, you know, T I offers some good stuff and then I think there's, I mean I think there's some negatives, but there's going to be some negatives anywhere, you know, no matter where you go. I have, you know, all, this is the first really large company I've worked for. I've always been involved in little small, you know, ind-, privately owned s-, owned firms and so I've never had the, the big benefit package. So, I really don't know how to compare it to other big companies, you know. It, when I came on it was great because I had never had anything even close to what, what they offered. So, I've been real pleased.
[speaker001:] Well, that's fantastic,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and on whole o-, I would say that they're equal to, uh, most of our competitors.
[speaker002:] Think so?
[speaker001:] Uh, I can see some, some potential changes that probably are, are, would not cost very much but might, uh, make things a little easier.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Such as offering a, a smorgasbord. Having a larger variety of benefits but,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but here's the amount, that, that T I is going to pay for it,
[speaker002:] Yeah, and you can pick what you want and, yeah.
[speaker001:] now it's up to you it's menu selection, so,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] to speak.
[speaker002:] That sounds really good. I read a thing, I don't even remember if it was in the DALLASITE or the INSITE one, about uh, companies allowing you, and they said that T I was looking into it, to purchase extra vacation days. Which I thought sounded like a good idea. You know, if you've been there, you know, under five years and you get two weeks of vacation but that's really not enough and you want an extra week, then you can purchase an extra week of vacation by saying, okay, I'm going to want an extra five days this year and they'll take a set amount out of each paycheck, you know, and they're deducting it all along, so you, you can have an extra five days off and be paid for them at the time, you know, you're really not being paid for them, the money is actually coming out of your own pocket, but it's coming out a little bit at a time instead of all at once, you know. So, that is kind of an idea that, that a lot of people sounded like that they were really interested in and T I said that they were looking into something like that so,
[speaker001:] Well, I could certainly, personally stand seeing them go to a, a standardized compensatory time
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] for overtime.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I don't believe any of us would have to purchase any extra vacation days,
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] if they did,
[speaker002:] true.
[speaker001:] that.
[speaker002:] True.
[speaker001:] Uh, and, and I would certainly support something like four to one or five to one or, or, you know, maybe they want to get generous and make it three to one.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, a-, as a repayment for,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] every three to five days that I work overtime there,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] they should give me one day.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But it should be a standard and, and not left up to either the whim or the current overhead rate t-, uh, that's running in each department.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well, and, yeah, and, and a lot of that is left up to whoever your supervisor happens to be and what type of relationship you have with that person and, you know, I see a lot of differences, but, from one group to the next, you know, about who gets it and who doesn't get it, you know. But that's, and that's that way with a lot of things, you know, there. It seems like, it depends on what, what group you happen to be in, what, what you're going to get and what you're not going to get so,
[speaker001:] Well, that's for sure.
[speaker002:] Which is the same, but, but then it's probably that way anywhere, you know, that's,
[speaker001:] Oh, I'm sure personalities always come into play.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, just in this size of organization, |
[speaker001:] well um as far as the as far as spending goes the way um the way I see it in the in the last article I read was that I think US ought to spend the same amount of money that we're spending but I think the states need to take advantage of it more than they are because I know the article I read stated that Texas had um what was it like eleven million not a million but like a hundred and ten thousand
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] offered to it or more than that and it didn't take advantage of all the money that it was offered
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] because the state that I'm in has is the fourth largest in AIDS cases and it's just not taking advantage of the money that's being provided
[speaker002:] I wasn't aware that there was a very large uh gay community in Texas
[speaker001:] well there's well well we have we have our own you know that we have I guess a fair share um and it's it's spreading outside of of the homosexual community
[speaker002:] interesting yeah and Atlanta is sort of the homosexual capital of the Southeast so we have quite a few cases here and of course we here a lot about it because the Centers for Disease Control is located here
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh my feeling on the funding issue is uh uh proportion in proportion to the number of people who are dying of AIDS uh compared to uh other diseases like cancer and heart disease
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] we're spending many many times more on AIDS research than we are for these other diseases
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I think a lot of it's just due to political clout and pressure
[speaker001:] well also because it's so new
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and cancer and cancer and such doesn't spread as readily to other people as it does as AIDS does
[speaker002:] that well yes that's true but also uh we haven't learned enough about cancer to be able to prevent it but it many ways AIDS is completely preventable through uh behavioral changes
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I do think that uh part of the reason that we haven't made as much progress in AIDS research and the reason we're spending so much money on it is that it's almost all of the research is in the hands of the government and we all know how efficient the government is uh the way I look at it is if uh if all the internal bickering between in Center for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health health uh over who's going to get credit for solving it were to be set aside
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and if private industry just through the profit motive more than anything else were set loose to go off and find uh a cure with the promise that they'd be able to get the financial rewards from it uh I feel that we'd find a cure really quick
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh but as it is it's just being the whole program is just being mismanaged by bureaucrats uh and it's real disappointing uh you know so many of the other uh major advances that we have today are are done by private industry but for some reason in this case no one's really willing to give them a chance
[speaker001:] that's true I hadn't I hadn't thought about that
[speaker002:] uh course you know I'm a big advocate of the free market anyway and uh it seems to me that so much of what the government gets involved in just just goes to pot uh but uh I uh I do want there to be a cure
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh uh but like so many other things I think the way just the way that we're going about it is not the best way
[speaker001:] well um I I think a lot of a lot I mean this is a this is a a an a totally new experience we haven't come really ever come across at least not in my like time that you know where we've come across a disease that has spread this rapidly um and that we've you know is is changing I know just in the last three months the CDC has come back and redefined AIDS
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] you know and so I mean it's it's very difficult to put a cure on something that you keep expanding and we keep you know and all the new um you know things that we keep finding you know that you can be HIV positive for you know now what have they bumped it up to eleven years now
[speaker002:] uh it's a long time
[speaker001:] yeah you know
[speaker002:] and it's interesting that there are there do seem to be a lot of people who are HIV positive but who never get the disease
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it seems to me that it's it's likely that there's some other uh it's not just the virus that causes it but it's something else in your body that the virus triggers uh that causes it and if they can find whatever that other that other trigger
[speaker001:] um-hum |
[speaker001:] So, do you have any credit cards?
[speaker002:] Yes, I do. I keep, uh, I have an American Express, and a Visa card that I keep, you know, kind of for emergency purposes, and I have, you know, I use a gasoline credit card which I, you know, pay off
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] every, every month.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] But I've, I've gotten rid of all of the credit cards, you know, that I possibly could, and my balances are practically zero on the ones that I have. Especially since, you know, it's no longer after this year, or after tax year nineteen ninety, there's no deductions for, you know, credit card interest that you pay.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So it's a, you know, gosh, credit cards run, what, anywhere from, up to eighteen, nineteen percent, I guess.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It's just a bad deal. Course, there are emergencies, you know, that you, you know, probably need to have a card.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I have one card.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, that's, that's probably enough.
[speaker001:] And I try not to use it, but
[speaker002:] Absolutely.
[speaker001:] right now, it's maxed out [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It's, it's very easy to, you know, to do that or, you know, to abuse it, it really is.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It's so easy to pull out the plastic, but we're trying our best not to, not to add any, you know, credit card debt to our structure here.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Um, I have, uh, the thing that bothers me worse than the credit cards, I think, is, uh, you mentioned the gasoline credit card.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I don't have that, but I've got, you know, one of the tex-, the, the instant teller cards
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that you can use for point of sale purchases.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And we use that usually to buy gasoline, and it's just
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] it's really amazing how quickly that goes.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. I'm sure you're right. I don't, I don't, I don't participate in that, but, you know, a lot of folks do.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, at least with the, uh, [throat clearing] gasoline company credit cards you have, you know, up to thirty, twenty-five, thirty days, you know, interest free for it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, you know, the instant thing may be, may, may be the way of the future to, you know, to replace checks and every other thing.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's what they've, they've talked about it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Course it eliminates any waiting period.
[speaker002:] It certainly does.
[speaker001:] God help those people who have to float checks occasionally
[speaker002:] Absolutely.
[speaker001:] because you won't be able to with that.
[speaker002:] That's right. Do you get any sort of discount when you use a card like that?
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] I see.
[speaker001:] Oh, it was, well, they consider it to be the same as cash
[speaker002:] I see, I see.
[speaker001:] well, cause it actually is.
[speaker002:] It certainly is, yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It's better than cash [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They don't even have to deposit it, it just goes straight in there.
[speaker002:] That's right. No returned checks or anything.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Yeah. No, I, I understand it's becoming, you know, the popular thing to do. We're not participating in that particular program at the moment, and I don't really perceive doing it unless we absolutely have to.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [dishes].
[speaker002:] But, uh, I have in times past gotten into a bit of trouble with credit cards. It's just, you know, too easy to do.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but I'm so glad he told me that when, that they, they got to such a point with their credit cards they didn't want to cut them up because they were afraid sometime they might actually need them.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] They paid them off, and then they stuck them in a thing of water and froze them.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] She said at least [LAUGHTER] before she could use them she'd have to thaw them out. I mean, that's funny.
[speaker002:] Well, that's a novel idea. Yeah, that would cause you think a little while, wouldn't it.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That may not be a bad idea.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But I'm kind of getting a little more leery of credit cards, you know, as time goes by. Unless you just absolutely have to. Now, there are times when you'd
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] at least think you do, anyway.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I, I want to still have just one
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] just in case. But, I'd
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] sure want to get the, get it paid down and
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] not use it for a while [dishes].
[speaker002:] That's right. My wife and I really, I guess are fortunate. We're really not compulsive shoppers, you know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] We, we plan purchases, you know, pretty well, you know, watch for the best buys, things like that. But, uh, some people have a real problem with it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, our, our limit is, you know, fairly low
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, so that's, that's one thing that's good.
[speaker002:] Sure. Absolutely. Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Click] Oh, I've got another call.
[speaker002:] Oh, I'm sorry. Was nice talking to you.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Take care.
[speaker001:] All right. Bye-bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] It seems to me that one of the biggest differences is the computer revolution.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, I can very clearly remember ten years ago I was just beginning to explore computerizing my office and, and trying to find out what kinds of computers might be useful and we did end up with, uh, I B M, P C -s, which I now would not have chosen [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] But that was before the Macintosh.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And twenty years ago I was, uh, in graduate school pecking out a dissertation on a manual typewriter [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, I know it.
[speaker001:] So I would say that's one of the largest changes in, at least in my life.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I've seen that just in the last, uh, even five years how much they've in-, uh, increased in use. Or probably eight years, when I was a freshman in college
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, my degree was in computer, uh, technology originally and it seemed like it would, they were just getting out with the, you know, the disks and all that, getting away with the cards,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, doing away with the, the programming cards
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] and, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, thirty years ago I, I had a college job, uh, working as a programmer and we had to write code in binary and, uh, have it punched in on those little cardboard cards [LAUGHTER] which,
[speaker002:] I know.
[speaker001:] I don't think exists anymore.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] You never see one of those punch cards anymore.
[speaker002:] Uh, I think T V has a lot to do with the changes, too. Don't you? In, like, people's attitudes.
[speaker001:] Well, very possibly. Uh, I'm not sure in the last ten years it's been very different from before. Uh, certainly in the last thirty I would say there have been significant changes. Even, even the change from black and white to color television.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Thirty years ago I guess there were color T V -s, but I sure didn't have access to one.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, but, twenty years ago, practically everybody had a color T V, and now I think they're as, almost as many, well, there are more T V -s than households, so
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] it's close to getting, uh, one T V per person they say [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] And now everybody, uh, has V C R -s and two or three V C R -s
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and that kind of thing.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Certainly ten years ago, uh, V C R -s were just coming on the market so that's made a significant difference in the way I watch television for instance, because, uh, now I almost never watch a T V program when it's on.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I know.
[speaker001:] I tape it and then watch it when it's convenient and that way I don't have to worry about being interrupted. I can just put it on pause [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, and you can, you can flip through the commercials so you don't have to watch the commercials.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] That's always h-, convenient.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yes, you can watch a program in forty-five minutes instead of an hour [LAUGHTER]. You skip the commercials.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [LAUGHTER]. So, what was our question about, decline in socio-,
[speaker001:] Wasn't the decline so much. I think they just said the changes in, uh, social, social changes in the United States.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] How was life different ten, twenty, or thirty years ago. So,
[speaker002:] Well, I can't really remember back that far, but [breathing] ten years ago, uh, I don't know. I'd say, like in the nineteen seventies you remember how kids would walk around with A M, what do you call those, little A M radios
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] and now people have jam box with C D players in them, you know.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yes. That's certainly,
[speaker002:] And,
[speaker001:] a difference.
[speaker002:] hand held T V -s and car phones.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's another one, yeah, car phones is a good point, and, uh, cellular phones of all types and beepers. Uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] ten years ago I was working in a job at a medical center and I had to carry a beeper around and they were kind of bulky and all they did was just, uh, make a beep noise and then you had to go find a telephone and call in to find out what they wanted you for and who you were supposed to call.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] These days they have these tiny little things that are only about the size of two or three pencils and they fit in your shirt pocket and they have a little display screen that shows you a message and either tells you a person or a, a phone number to respond to and,
[speaker002:] Those are cool.
[speaker001:] Yeah, those are pretty neat. And they have the kind that just vibrates so you can shut them off,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] in a theatre or something and you can still get your messages [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, let's see, social changes, uh, uh,
[speaker002:] Where do you think it's, where do you think it's going to go in twenty years?
[speaker001:] I haven't the slightest idea. I was just thinking, though, about a, a huge social change in the last ten years is AIDS.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It was just beginning to be recognized and noticed ten years ago. I, I know that because I was writing a paper about it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I was writing a, a journal article. Uh, and they still didn't even know what caused it or anything. And, uh, there was a suspicion,
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] that it was a virus but nobody had identified it and they were really just going on epidemiological, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, guesswork, uh, because the way it was transmitted made it look an awful lot like, uh, hepatitis and then,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] from, from the spread pattern of hepatitis, they could work backwards to the transmission by, uh, blood and semen. And then I,
[speaker002:] I'm curious what was your, uh, graduate study in?
[speaker001:] Well, I, I was in English as a matter of fact, and
[speaker002:] Oh, wow.
[speaker001:] medieval studies,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, but I went to work as an editor and writer, so, uh, uh, the, ten years ago I was working in the medical center, uh, publishing a journal and writing about medical topics [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, let's see, twenty years ago, I guess we 're were just beginning to get into what they were calling the, uh, the sex revolution where, uh
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] after the pill and, uh, uh, freed people up from worries about, uh, illegitimate pregnancy and, I guess in the seventies is the, the time when that was supposed to have exploded. Thirty years ago there was no pill.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. You think that's caused a lot of pressure on, like younger kids today,
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] to make choices that they probably shouldn't have to make?
[speaker001:] I do. I really do. I have, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] four kids in college right now, children and stepchildren and I know that the expectation for them was, uh, to have sex and, much earlier,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] than the expectation when I was in college.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] In my day, we talked quietly behind our hands about people that we suspected might be,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] sleeping with their boyfriends [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, they certainly didn't expect everybody to and it was really only, uh, acceptable if you were engaged and planning to get married in, in the relatively near future.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I certainly know from talking to my stepdaughter that girls in high school were under a whole lot more pressure nowadays.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. It's kind of scary when I think of what will happen in twenty years, you know, when I have kids and they're grown and [pause] [breathing], uh, just kind of some of the changes that will happen even more so.
[speaker001:] And I guess the answer,
[speaker002:] Seems like it can't get much worse.
[speaker001:] is, is, stay flexible because nobody can predict what's going to happen in twenty years [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I certainly wouldn't have been able to twenty years ago tell you what, uh, my kids were likely to be like. Course, one of them was just a, a, a brand new baby twenty years ago, so [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I sure wouldn't have been able to predict for him.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And some of the other ones weren't born.
[speaker002:] Yeah. So, sounds like America's going to become even more communication society with faxes and cellular phones and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] worldwide communication and,
[speaker001:] Electronic mail.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I just got on that this past, about a year ago and that's made a difference in the way I do my job because it's so much easier to get hold of people and get quick answers to things.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Even when they're on another continent.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] It's pretty wild.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Even, you know, that reminds me, Federal Express was around ten years ago, but it was used as kind of an extreme emergency
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and nowadays people use Fed Ex, all the time.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Sure do. Huh.
[speaker001:] People do seem to travel more. It's much more common for people, even teenagers to be going to Europe and South America and,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Asia. Uh, I was almost thirty before I got off this continent.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, both my kids had been abroad when they were still in high school [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah [pause] [breathing]. I know that's what, uh, what my family was talking when I picked up and moved to Texas from Indiana and they were like, well, you know, twen-, thirty years ago we wouldn't have done that, you know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, especially come home every couple months.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, and, |
[speaker001:] about how many calls have you made on this system
[speaker002:] uh I've originated only a a few
[speaker001:] oh okay yeah
[speaker002:] but I've received quite a few
[speaker001:] I uh I only started doing it after uh I started getting calls and said oh heck that's right I'm supposed to make a few calls so I started about month ago and I this is getting close to twenty here which I think is about all
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh our little gift book goes up to but I don't really know
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] I've got about twelve tickets in the mail do you have you've a few
[speaker002:] yeah I've been getting mine
[speaker001:] okay uh medical go ahead I'm I'm medical that's mine
[speaker002:] uh you pushed the record button we're supposed to be discussing the subject
[speaker001:] yeah I I'm benefits go ahead you first
[speaker002:] yeah uh well I'll tell you I've been around for quite a few years and worked for a lot of different companies and uh it's hard to beat any of the benefits that or salaries either
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that we get from TI I'm quite pleased with it course there's a few things that uh I think I could do better if I was sitting up in the CEO's seat but um
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] I think Jerry's doing a pretty good job as it goes
[speaker001:] the one it's kind of like uh automobile insurance the ones uh that I think are the highest and important to me uh I hope I never have to use them really per se although I've used medical a little bit uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] that well that one certainly is high I I worry that it's weakening rather than strengthening so I like to reverse that trend and say I'd like to get those to strengthen you know be better and better then salary salary salary continuance I've never used that one I hope I never will but that's kind of like an insurance thing I sure like that one
[speaker002:] well ah yes
[speaker001:] that's like automobile insurance you never want to get in an accident but it you like to have it there
[speaker002:] um-hum well uh like I say I worked for several different companies and there's nothing to compare with uh TI here
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] now I really got caught up back in eighty five I got caught up in the oil layoff uh I wasn't with GSI but I was connected with uh uh oil uh exploration
[speaker001:] right with TI or somebody else
[speaker002:] no with TI
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I say I wasn't connected with GSI
[speaker001:] oh right yeah
[speaker002:] and I got caught up in a layoff now
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh course you get six months uh unemployment from the state
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but what TI did for us is is uh I I've never heard of it before they fixed us up with an office with uh telephones access to long distance uh computers a secretary to take messages for us or type uh letters for us
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh they had out of town newspapers and then the company
[speaker001:] and outside consultants didn't they have an outside consultant too
[speaker002:] I beg your pardon
[speaker001:] did they have an outside consultant like a
[speaker002:] uh yes they they did have uh seminars every once in a while
[speaker001:] the employee yeah
[speaker002:] uh cause that was not uh restricted just to just us
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but the most important thing was that uh they had made up the difference between uh unemployment pay and seventy five percent of my net pay and they then TI paid me that
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] so uh I was able to uh not just exist I mean I I lived just as comfortably as I did before I was laid off
[speaker001:] yeah they seem to be doing doing a good job of that I'm in facilities and and our organization built builds those facilities over in Park Central now
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I guess they've been using them for six months now and I've known several engineers that got laid off and they said it's like getting a PhD almost they the much they learn over there you know after they've been laid off uh one engineer said it was really an education he he just learned like you he said he learned a tremendous amount that he never would have able to pick up on his own he was very thankful for that too
[speaker002:] well this was not a learning thing by any means it was just a uh uh an assistance trying to find another job
[speaker001:] to have an office yeah yeah well he said he learned so much and how he thought he thought he had a PhD in how to get a job after he was through the whole process for for several months he did eventually get a job
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh well course I went through this uh what about five years ago they may have improved it considerably
[speaker001:] yeah apparently it's very sophisticated and I guess it may be one of the best uh that anyone's doing
[speaker002:] well that's one of those little uh uh little extras that you don't see in the uh the the the handbook you know
[speaker001:] right you're absolutely right that's a good one
[speaker002:] it
[speaker001:] what do you think about pensions anything on that or
[speaker002:] well now I have uh uh I'm getting close to retirement
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and of course I've been looking into it but uh since I'm only a yellow badger I won't be getting a whole heck of a lot from TI as far as retirement is concerned
[speaker001:] um-hum right what do you think of a pension that goes from one company to the other like an account like a 401K account I I've been thinking about that for years uh
[speaker002:] I've never heard of such a thing
[speaker001:] I know that's what I'm saying that that pensions you see just like you were you're saying you've only got uh so many years say you work for two three companies if you take your pension with you after you're vested
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then just add the money together like you do with a 401K account you know
[speaker002:] uh yeah
[speaker001:] uh it's your account period it doesn't matter where you go or anything that's your account to roll over
[speaker002:] I that that sounds like a hell of an idea I didn't know there was such a thing
[speaker001:] no no there isn't I I'm saying that's the question what do you think could be better and I'm saying that pensions say in the year two thousand or more when social security goes away which it probably will I think they ought to have a pension at least that you'd never lose you work for a company seven years
[speaker002:] yes by all means well what would be the difference between that and social security
[speaker001:] uh well social security's going to go to way I think and you can or you can invest your own money you have no control over your social security and it's not paid for by the current like when say we retire after the year two thousand social security's paid for by the twenty five year olds you know they may rebel and you won't have any social security where if your money was in your account I mean you can never lose it it's there you don't have to depend on anybody to be putting that money in for you you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] that's just a thought I mean I
[speaker002:] uh-huh no I I like the idea course that's that's some something like an IRA
[speaker001:] if they say which yeah yeah and instead of having a a socialized pension it just would be really money that you and your company maybe you had to put some money in it too I don't really know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I I can see where they'd need to do something on that because the statistics are you don't work for a company twenty years through no fault of your own you know you work for five six seven and you you a lot of people I know guys
[speaker002:] yeah that that's what I've done I I've bounced around about every ten years I change
[speaker001:] yeah I have too but not not quite that often but uh yeah I've only got uh I've got fourteen now here at TI and I hope to make twenty five but say if something happened to me I mean you know they lay me off uh you have a pension but then you'd have to try to get a pension in another one it would be nice if they could get them together
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I do worry about medical though again knock wood that uh I haven't used it I guess you I'm sorry you really do use it throughout the year because you get your teeth fixed and all that I mean I but I'm not I'm talking about major items I haven't used it for anything major
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I'm glad it's there though
[speaker002:] well knock wood I haven't used mine anything for anything major just doctor visits and well I I have the uh the Homa I use Homa
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I like that uh a lot better than Aetna
[speaker001:] I have the regular I again I just I haven't I can't complain about it because I haven't used it and every time I needed it it it it's uh you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] fallen right in line for the the minor things I guess I'm the one just supporting most of the others
[speaker002:] well doesn't it work you don't see uh uh anything until you spend the minimum don't you have to spend the minimum of two three hundred
[speaker001:] uh yeah yeah I think it's two seventy five for a family but the dental is right away if you exams uh
[speaker002:] yeah well now I have the same dental you have
[speaker001:] okay yeah the medical you have to have a deductible
[speaker002:] uh-huh now see I don't have a deductible
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] I pay a straight five dollars for anything a doctor visit or drugs
[speaker001:] well drugs are okay now I'm on that uh plan where I take blood pressure medicine if you take an allergy medicine so anything you need a prescription for for more than six months you get it for used to be six bucks they just raised it to twelve
[speaker002:] oh that one I haven't heard about
[speaker001:] yeah that's a typical that's a typical one that's in there the forms are right in personnel
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] fact you may be able to take care of take advantage of that it's through Baxter Labs uh
[speaker002:] yeah I have high blood pressure problems myself
[speaker001:] well maybe you still can do that do you do you buy your pills one at a time
[speaker002:] every thirty days at a time
[speaker001:] well turn turn in your forms go right to personnel I don't know whether you have to about an HMO I don't think so you turn you get your doctor to give you a more than six months prescription and uh they're twelve dollars again they just were six they just raised them to twelve this year twelve dollars for a three months supply
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] or whatever whatever the the amount is uh I don't want to say three months but
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it's a lot cheaper allergy medicine's really uh expensive and that blood pressure medicine is fairly expensive I take two go right to personnel they got the forms in personnel and maybe I maybe I've told you go something you didn't know about in benefits there
[speaker002:] um yeah yeah I just might do that
[speaker001:] I do it yeah I you know it's a very common thing it's through Baxter Labs tell yeah
[speaker002:] well thanks thanks for the tip Jim I I shall look into it
[speaker001:] yeah what else I'm sure we're getting close to our five minutes whatever here
[speaker002:] yeah uh let's see we discussed uh uh medical and dental
[speaker001:] what other benefits
[speaker002:] uh retirement
[speaker001:] yeah the salary continuation I think that's a great one but again a hope I never use that one that means you're really sick if you have to use that one
[speaker002:] uh-huh what about vacation
[speaker001:] I'm satisfied with the vacation I don't know what else you know you nice to say you get another week
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] and when I'm well I only got fourteen years so I'll get another week when I hit fifteen
[speaker002:] uh yeah that's right
[speaker001:] so that's that's fair I mean it's reasonable if four weeks is a lot I think I know some people who have twenty five years and thirty and they want more but uh you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] well I'm uh I'm here I've got just eleven years and I don't think I'll ever see a a silver badge I won't I won't be around that long
[speaker001:] um-hum well the way things go I think I'm going to have to work till I'm seventy five whether I quit and uh uh or when I retire get a part-time job |
[speaker001:] Now we're ready. Do you have a personal computer?
[speaker002:] We have one.
[speaker001:] You do, in your home?
[speaker002:] Yes, yes, ma'am.
[speaker001:] I do not have one in my home. I use one all day at work, but I don't have one at home.
[speaker002:] Do you wish you,
[speaker001:] Do you find you use it a lot?
[speaker002:] I don't use it as much as my children and my husband do. My, actually my husband and I are taking a class at our local junior college called micro, micro computers one o one and we're just touching on data base, spreadsheets and word processing and just kind of, you know, different kinds of [NOISE] storage and we're just kind of touching on a basic
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] computer.
[speaker001:] What kind do you have?
[speaker002:] We have an I B M compatible. It's a Gateway brand
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that we bought mainly for our children to have educational programs.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, that sounds interesting.
[speaker002:] Yeah. What kind of a computer do you use at work?
[speaker001:] I have a, a P S one I B M type.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, and I use it all day at work and I put all my personal stuff on it at work [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So I really don't, haven't had a need for one at home but probably if I didn't have access to one all the time at work, I'd want one at home.
[speaker002:] Right. I worked on my airline Apollo Focal Point computer for about four years.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Which was different [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But I didn't,
[speaker001:] What is that tracing, tracking the flights and things?
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] How long are we supposed to talk on this?
[speaker001:] They tell us when we're through.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, okay. This is,
[speaker001:] They come in and tell us. Have you just started doing this?
[speaker002:] This is my very first time.
[speaker001:] Oh really?
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] They'll come in and tell us that the switchboard is full now and it's time for you to wind up in the next thirty seconds or something like that.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] It's not more than five min-, [clicking],
[speaker002:] Uh-oh.
[speaker001:] But, I'm going to ignore that. That's a call on my other line, so
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] I'm just going to ignore it. But,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. That, I have that, too.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] It's kind of a hassle when you have this, but other times [clicking] it.
[speaker002:] W-, where do you work?
[speaker001:] I work at Texas Instruments.
[speaker002:] Oh, you do?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Oh, well, of course.
[speaker001:] I sure do.
[speaker002:] Of course. That's why you [LAUGHTER], why you're making these calls, right?
[speaker001:] Well, no, I'm doing this at home. I'm already home for the day.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see. Well, this is a pretty good deal.
[speaker001:] I [clicking] do it, you know, I can't do it at work. I, I'm, I work in the legal department so I'm pretty busy.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But I use my P C there mostly for creating legal documents. We use Word Perfect, Lotus.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh,
[speaker002:] Oh, you do know Lotus, huh? Oh, that's great. That's something we want to learn.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's really, I love Lotus.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] I think that's about my favorite.
[speaker002:] I've heard that people that finally learn how to use it really like it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] That's great.
[speaker001:] It really is, and I know there's still a hundred things I don't know how to do on it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, uh, you know, you learn something every time you use it.
[speaker002:] I have a question. On this, this thing that I'm, this survey or whatever, you know, this
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I volunteered for. Do I start calling in myself or do I wait for people to call me?
[speaker001:] You can, did they give you a number to call?
[speaker002:] Right, and eight hundred number.
[speaker001:] You can start calling in whenever it's convenient for you but you can only make one call a day.
[speaker002:] Oh, only one a day.
[speaker001:] Yeah, if you've talked to someone, like you're talking to me now
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and I place the call, this counts as your call.
[speaker002:] Oh,
[speaker001:] So you cannot make a call now until tomorrow.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see. Okay, so then, do you get the five bucks or do I?
[speaker001:] No, we both do.
[speaker002:] Oh, we both do. Well that's
[speaker001:] Didn't they
[speaker002:] a,
[speaker001:] ask you for your I D number when you answered?
[speaker002:] Right, I had to put that in.
[speaker001:] Okay so you both do.
[speaker002:] Well, that's a pretty good deal.
[speaker001:] From what I understand.
[speaker002:] So why, why are we doing this?
[speaker001:] It's for research.
[speaker002:] Actually, I'm doing this for somebody else but, you know, for a friend of mine.
[speaker001:] It's a research type project on
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, voice activated electronics, you know.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] To, uh, it's, uh
[speaker002:] It's almost like that,
[speaker001:] well they call it the speech lab that is setting this thing up.
[speaker002:] Like a voice command
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] computer type
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] thing, oh.
[speaker001:] They're doing research for a lot of big companies from what I understand on this. Now I don't know,
[speaker002:] Well, that's wonderful.
[speaker001:] I don't know everything about it but they, uh, try to get as many people as they possibly can to contribute to this and that way they can check voice patterns.
[speaker002:] I see, different kinds of voices and things.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, and get the computer where it recognizes voices.
[speaker002:] Wonderful. See that's why I, it's interesting because you have I, I'm going to say you have an accent [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, I probably do because I've,
[speaker002:] And I, and I think that I don't. I mean to you but,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know.
[speaker001:] Well, I've been b-, I was born and raised in Texas. Have lived here forever so I probably do.
[speaker002:] And you're in what city?
[speaker001:] I'm in Richardson. It's right outside of Dallas.
[speaker002:] Okay, my sister, one of my sisters lives in Plano.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And that's right outside of,
[speaker001:] Well, Richardson's right between Dallas and Plano.
[speaker002:] How about that. I probably went through Richardson, then.
[speaker001:] You probably did.
[speaker002:] And then I have a sister that lives in Austin.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But,
[speaker001:] Well, what are you doing way in Washington?
[speaker002:] Well, we're actually all from Nebraska. They just are recently moved there. My brother-in-law is director of Admissions at the University of Texas
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] in Dallas.
[speaker001:] Well, that's interesting.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and then my sister works at the Air Force Base.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. So I imagine they use personal computers.
[speaker002:] Actually, yes, they both have personal computers.
[speaker001:] Do they do their correspondence on it?
[speaker002:] Uh, I think they just send Christmas letters on it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] As far as I, mostly my one sister uses hers for her children.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, children's games. |
[speaker001:] okay uh we're going to talk about our lawn and garden garden chores do you have either one
[speaker002:] well I don't do anything with the lawn really but I do gardening both flowers and vegetable gardening
[speaker001:] do you oh really
[speaker002:] um I we have enough property that we uh can have a little bit of a garden and that's fun well actually we've always had one even when we haven't had big yard because um we enjoy that we love fresh vegetables in the summer and it's just one of the things I enjoy doing
[speaker001:] so do I I would I had rather be outside than inside any day
[speaker002:] so would I
[speaker001:] do you work during the week uh outside the home
[speaker002:] yes I do uh so I manage to fit in my gardening chores afterward I work for a school system so I'm able to do that um because I get at home a little earlier
[speaker001:] uh-huh yes
[speaker002:] and I can still do some some sorts of things but
[speaker001:] or you sneak out in the morning after daylight savings time starts and with your cup of coffee and see if it has grown overnight
[speaker002:] oh absolutely
[speaker001:] well I unfortunately am not gardening this year I love gardening in fact I was presented at like twenty no about thirty years ago with a life membership uh from the Richmond Virginia counsel of uh garden clubs
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] and it wasn't because I was so good but I organized a very large garden club but I still have uh
[speaker002:] oh that's wonderful
[speaker001:] it well it's always something that seems so odd to me but uh
[speaker002:] but that's that's I mean you really feel you can accomplish something and to help other people too that's neat
[speaker001:] yes it had really nothing to do with uh actual gardening or flower arranging or anything like that it was just that I happened to organize this group that was about seventy people
[speaker002:] uh-huh right that's wonderful yeah
[speaker001:] that isn't yeah that that those numbers were were great but it
[speaker002:] yeah well I think it sounds good I've never belonged to a garden club because I've always been more interested in just doing what I can do my on my own I've never had the time really to get involved in the organized
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] sort of format but I know people who do it and and enjoy it very much
[speaker001:] well and actually I think that most women's garden clubs that I've been aware of in the past uh are only flowers what I would like we've spent the last twenty years in Oklahoma just moved to to North Carolina
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and uh we were originally originally of course from this area from Virginia but uh in North uh in Oklahoma it's the men's garden clubs that I would have wanted to join
[speaker002:] my word
[speaker001:] and you would have because they do all kinds of uh gardening and not just flowers like women do um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] for heaven's sake well um there aren't men's gardening clubs in this area that I know of they're they're women but um and usually they're the tea type things you know where they have a little luncheon and they do their thing but um flowers are primarily the emphasis
[speaker001:] um-hum yes I think so too
[speaker002:] um whereas I enjoy vegetable gardening almost more I do flowers sort of look pretty but I I really like to do the vegetables
[speaker001:] yes and and I have spent the last ten ten years being a florist
[speaker002:] being what
[speaker001:] being a florist
[speaker002:] oh my well what a wonderful thing
[speaker001:] it was nice it was exhilarating uh for many years uh many of those ten
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] until the last couple when uh we had such an economic slowdown
[speaker002:] oh terrible yeah
[speaker001:] yeah well tell me what's in your garden this year since I don't have one
[speaker002:] okay well uh the flowers I'm just in fact I was going to go out today to buy some plants so I could put them in I I always have geraniums and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um and then I have a shady area that I need to uh be concerned about not getting something that has to have sun so I've discovered that uh impatiens that tried and true is turns out to be about the best thing to use there along with coleus
[speaker001:] um um-hum
[speaker002:] because they uh look pretty and in my front garden uh but I like the vinca which is something I hadn't they look sort of like impatiens you know but they're not quite and they're better for the sun areas um and of course you know the mine are old very ordinary flowers marigolds and and that sort of thing
[speaker001:] yes do you have trouble with uh red spider on marigolds
[speaker002:] in my no I don't I don't know maybe this climate is a little better
[speaker001:] maybe it's yes um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] um but in the vegetable garden we grow um usually well our favorite is something called white half runner green beans now that's
[speaker001:] well do you isn't that funny so is my favorite
[speaker002:] well you know why because I grew up in North Carolina and that was my mother's um favorite bean she always she always grows you know five different varieties but that's the kind that produces the best
[speaker001:] okay yeah yeah well I think it has the best flavor
[speaker002:] and and they're wonderful and I pick them when they're very young and have very little string and then just steam them a little bit my mother picks them when they're fat and she cooks them for an hour with some fat back
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh well I like them in between I like them in between
[speaker002:] and they're good both ways yeah yeah
[speaker001:] the flavor is better I think in between
[speaker002:] oh in between the size wise yeah yeah
[speaker001:] yes yeah um-hum my mother
[speaker002:] well my mother doesn't think they have any flavor the way I cook them
[speaker001:] well and I no I love them well that's the yankee way but I think that's like another vegetable I love them that way just the thrill of
[speaker002:] oh of course yeah it is they're two different vegetables that way um-hum
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum in fact I my mother who is eighty six years old canned over a hundred quarts of half runners last year
[speaker002:] oh my gosh my does mother mother will be thirty ninety this year and she lives in western North Carolina and uh she would do that if uh if we didn't tell her that she'd better not
[speaker001:] yes um-hum yes
[speaker002:] but she doesn't have that big a garden but she has a bigger one than I do and I have four children you know so
[speaker001:] really yes and she tends to it herself uh-huh isn't that wonderful
[speaker002:] oh yes oh yes oh it is it's great it's it's really her joy and I guess suppose that's why I enjoy gardening because you know growing up with it we also grow um yellow and green squash um much to my children's chagrin
[speaker001:] I think so too yeah uh-huh right
[speaker002:] and uh we grow a lot of tomatoes uh there's just no replacement for fresh grown tomatoes
[speaker001:] uh-huh no
[speaker002:] so we enjoy that um we grow I I have been trying to grow watermelon and cantaloupe and get teased by my family but I actually was successful for the last two years so
[speaker001:] wonderful bet you showed them
[speaker002:] I'm going to do it again that's right and we grow broccoli
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and I have been very uh happy about the new way of controlling the the uh worm that gets in broccoli um Bacillus by using the Bacillus thuringiansis which is the uh little well in fact that's what they use for gypsy moth I don't know if you have had that problem there or not
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] but it's you know it's a problem that's that's moving south from from the New England area and they devastate the trees so they they spray the the government uh sprays um
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] two two three times in the spring when the uh caterpillars are are coming along because what they do this this uh Bacillus um the worms ingest it and it expands in their in their um digestive tract and they die
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so that's the same technique that is you know for any of the other uh little varmints that get in vegetables so it that's really very nice because it's a non-toxic way of of handling the problem
[speaker001:] great well we could chat we could really talk gardening a long time I'm enjoying hearing you so much
[speaker002:] so well it's nice hearing you talk and I'm I wish you uh good luck have you just recently moved to Charlotte
[speaker001:] um yes uh no October uh so yes recently seven months and it the weather is wonderful I love it it's just terrific you know rains a little too often
[speaker002:] oh so well that's not very long yes oh that's great that's great well I hope you have a an opportunity to garden again
[speaker001:] oh I think so I have a little spinach
[speaker002:] oh well good
[speaker001:] bye-bye
[speaker002:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] so uh what uh kind of clothing do you have to wear for work
[speaker002:] well uh I bear a variety uh I'm a supervisor out at TI so I wear anything from uh jeans and uh a sport shirt to a you know dress slacks or dress shirt no coat and tie thanks goodness
[speaker001:] yeah I don't like those much myself
[speaker002:] how about you
[speaker001:] uh it's it's pretty casual uh I usually uh usually wear something like jeans sneakers uh
[speaker002:] kind of work you do
[speaker001:] um I do engineering uh using uh computer operated and grading machines
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and some of it so some of
[speaker002:] I guess that would be pretty casual
[speaker001:] yeah some of it's uh I mean I don't have to see customers or anything
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but some of it's a little bit dirty you know you got all this machinery and stuff so you don't really want to be wearing your best stuff for that
[speaker002:] well I was in the uh retail business for about fifteen years so I uh had my fill of coat and ties
[speaker001:] um yeah fifteen years
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] were were you supervising then too
[speaker002:] I was uh store manager for Kinney shoes
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] I guess you'd say uh supervisor
[speaker001:] um some anyway yeah
[speaker002:] not a topic you can get into very deep is it
[speaker001:] yeah so let's see where where did you you said you're in Houston
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so you don't have to dress very warmly I suppose
[speaker002:] no we uh even this this year particular was real warm uh it didn't hardly get cold not to wear a coat almost
[speaker001:] really how how cold did it get
[speaker002:] uh I don't we didn't even have a freeze I don't believe got down about thirty
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] below thirties is about the worst it did that I can remember not very often at that
[speaker001:] you say you have to wear a tie or no
[speaker002:] no I don't huh-uh
[speaker001:] ah that's good
[speaker002:] fortunately
[speaker001:] yeah guess that can be pretty hot too
[speaker002:] what'd you think about that thing out in LA
[speaker001:] which thing they've got more than one
[speaker002:] that verdict they came up with
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] everybody's talking about that here
[speaker001:] really yeah I guess it's uh created quite a stir
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] rioting and stuff
[speaker002:] yeah I hear there's some uh smaller amount going on in Atlanta too
[speaker001:] oh I hadn't uh hadn't been paying that close attention to the news I guess I ought to tune in tonight
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and what do you think about it you think he was uh you think it was a good verdict or
[speaker002:] yeah they uh acquitted the cops that supposed that beat him up
[speaker001:] yeah certainly by looking at the video tape it didn't seem all that uh reasonable but
[speaker002:] yeah I think that's what surprised everybody was the fact they let them off after looking at the tape
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] course I guess there was a lot more uh to it
[speaker001:] yeah must've been I guess only saw you know a small part of the the story that is that what you're uh seeing on the TV now or
[speaker002:] I'm sorry
[speaker001:] is is that on the TV now why you mentioned it or
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's been on there I was listening to it on a talk show on the way home from work tonight
[speaker001:] yeah hum
[speaker002:] yep |
[speaker001:] Where are you, Bob?
[speaker002:] I am in Plano. Where are you?
[speaker001:] Oh, okay. I am in Waco.
[speaker002:] Is that right?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] Right down the street.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, credit cards. My favorite subject [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You mean you use credit cards?
[speaker001:] Oh, do I.
[speaker002:] I bet you used them all up over Christmas.
[speaker001:] Yeah, mostly over Christmas. Uh, I get in a rut with credit cards cause they get me kind of in a vicious cycle. Where you use them a lot one month and then you have to use whatever money you have to pay those off
[speaker002:] And then your are in debt.
[speaker001:] and so then you have no money,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] so you use a credit card.
[speaker002:] I understand that.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Uh, I probably have one of every credit card there is.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Do you use them a lot?
[speaker002:] Well, uh, it kind of comes and goes, uh, I use uh, Citibank, the, uh, Advantage one
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] pretty much cause you get vantage points for every dollar you spend. Once a year, I get a free airplane ride that way.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] So, as long as you pay it off every month, it doesn't cost you anything.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Well, that is a good idea. Is that
[speaker002:] That is what I,
[speaker001:] that through a VISA?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] But, uh, I got all sorts of credit cards for my business that I use but, uh,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] If I can get away with paying them off every month, it is alright. If I don't then it gets expensive [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah. That is my problem. I don't try and pay them off. I pay, like the minimum.
[speaker002:] Well you shouldn't do that.
[speaker001:] I know [LAUGHTER]. So I have got myself,
[speaker002:] You never, you never get out of the hole that way.
[speaker001:] Exactly. I have got, that is why I have got myself with all this trouble now. But, I pay most of them on time and everything. It is just the, I always have them. So, it is kind of strange.
[speaker002:] Kind of like the federal government right?
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Exactly like the government [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] In,
[speaker002:] Can't never get out of debt.
[speaker001:] In debt.
[speaker002:] And every time you try to get out of debt, the economy goes to pot because people are spending money, right.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Have they put the cap on the interest rates?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] I didn't know if they actually did that or not. I know they were considering it.
[speaker002:] Just the people who don't need credit get the four and a half percent. The rest of the, uh, and me, we have got to pay fourteen and eighteen percent.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Funny how that works, isn't it [LAUGHTER]?
[speaker002:] The, thou who doesn't need credit, gets cheap credit.
[speaker001:] I would be interested to find out how many people, or how much, uh, people use credit this year. Say in nineteen ninety-two as opposed to nineteen ninety-one, even nineteen ninety. I think, I think it would be amazing how much, how many more people use it.
[speaker002:] Well, I think so because the,
[speaker001:] Because of the economy.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You have got to use everything you have got just to stay where you are at.
[speaker001:] Exactly. I would be very, I would like to see some numbers on that. I think that would be interesting.
[speaker002:] Do you, do you have any, uh, credit union where you work or anything like that?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I have a credit union.
[speaker002:] Do they have a Mastercard or VISA card?
[speaker001:] Yeah, they do. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You have got that one.
[speaker001:] Yes, I do [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yes, I do a matter of fact.
[speaker002:] Who, who do you work for?
[speaker001:] Uh, I work for Channel six.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] It's it's an N B C affiliate down here.
[speaker002:] I do a lot of work down in Waco, a
[speaker001:] Oh really.
[speaker002:] lot of, I call on a lot of my business is down there.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay. Where do you work? What is your,
[speaker002:] I sell metal fabricating equipment and tooling.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] Tyme and Mercury and Tempco and all those people
[speaker001:] Oh, okay [faint].
[speaker002:] down there. Uh Gene He-,
[speaker001:] So you probably work with, uh, uh, what is the boy from here? [Very faint]. You ever work with Davis?
[speaker002:] Davis Iron?
[speaker001:] Davis Iron Work, yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah, matter of fact I just saw them last week.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay. And, uh, what else.
[speaker002:] Are you in that part, are you in the south part of town now?
[speaker001:] Well, I live actually in Hewett.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. Okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, right outside.
[speaker002:] You know
[speaker001:] So, that is where Davis Iron Works is.
[speaker002:] Do you know Parker Machine Tool down there.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Bobby Parker and, uh,
[speaker001:] I don't think I have seen that one. I am sure I pass by it or something, but I am not sure.
[speaker002:] There is a place in Hewett, called, it is a new company called Prime Air. That is in Hewett. Just around the corner from Davis Iron Works.
[speaker001:] Huh. Prime Air.
[speaker002:] They make, uh, humidifiers and
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] uh, filters for air filtration stuff for
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] hospitals, homes, something like that.
[speaker001:] Have you ever been to Marlin?
[speaker002:] Uh, yeah.
[speaker001:] I think it is Marlin or Mart. They have, uh, uh, a place, I guess that would be similar to Prime Air. It is called H G H
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] or something like K G H or,
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] I can't think of it. I can't think of the name.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] I will have to stop in there. I went, I have gone through there, uh, my oldest son goes to A and M.
[speaker001:] Oh yeah.
[speaker002:] He is working on his Master's. The Navy sent him there for his Master's. Mostly in engineering. So, once and a while we go up six there rather than take forty-five.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] That is about the last time I have been through Marlin and Mart [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Oh, I don't like that drive. I make that drive sometimes we have stories out there but, uh,
[speaker002:] There is always a state trooper down there.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] You have got to drive careful.
[speaker001:] Oh, really [LAUGHTER]. I know.
[speaker002:] Between Mart and Marlin, they will nail you if you go over sixty miles an hour.
[speaker001:] Oh, goodness. They, they are bad at Hewett too. On eighty-four.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They are real bad. That is where I got my last ticket.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] So, of course, I couldn't pay that on a credit card. |
[speaker002:] I assume most of the books you're reading these days since you're a student have to do with studies
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's about all I get a chance for between that and um uh Bible study as often as I can that's about the bulk of it
[speaker002:] the uh
[speaker001:] not a whole lot of chances otherwise
[speaker002:] what year are you in in computer science
[speaker001:] okay um officially a junior right now um
[speaker002:] yeah and so the course work you're doing is what
[speaker001:] well right now I'm taking a a uh my fourth semester of of electronics dealing mostly with uh uh MOSFET and JFET transistors
[speaker002:] I thought you said computer science was your major
[speaker001:] and well okay they they're are gonna uh computer engineering
[speaker002:] oh computer engineering okay that's yeah okay
[speaker001:] okay I am getting some programming right right now I'm taking my first semester in in
[speaker002:] well no no I actually I'm an engineer by training and uh I it is my impression that's easier for an engineer to learn about computers than it is for a computer science person to learn about computers
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well with this well they classify it as computer engineering technology so I'm getting a fair amount of programming as well as electronics
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum right so who's books do you use for programming
[speaker001:] uh it depends on which language they're working with um
[speaker002:] well tell me what language we're taking these days
[speaker001:] right now I'm taking C I've got three semesters in Pascal behind me
[speaker002:] taking C okay is that just standard C or C plus plus
[speaker001:] uh that we're working with what what they called standard uh ANSI C
[speaker002:] yes right um-hum
[speaker001:] um I'm not real sure what the difference is gonna be between C and C
[speaker002:] well C plus plus is object oriented and there is uh quite a bit of difference and it quite often has you need a book up front to tell you about uh precompiling and that sort of thing and then it normally does a little shuffle up front
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] and then runs on ANSI C or some other similar dialect of C so it does uh some preprocessing to begin with who's book do you use in Pascal
[speaker001:] okay well what we're working with is uh I don't remember the author's name
[speaker002:] well how we going to talk about books well maybe we better switch to pleasure then uh what do you read for pleasure
[speaker001:] used to be I read a good deal of uh science fiction
[speaker002:] so Isaac Asimov for example
[speaker001:] um Asimov um Clark uh
[speaker002:] yeah Arthur Clark
[speaker001:] there's uh the big one was Asimov his he's his stuff was easiest to find
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] what got me started in the first place was uh my brother-in-law gave me a set the uh um Foundation Trilogy
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's fantastic
[speaker001:] back junior a year and a when I was a in in junior high school he gave it to me
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's hard to put down those
[speaker001:] oh yeah and he's come up with what three more books
[speaker002:] have you ever read Asimov's I Robot
[speaker001:] uh parts of it I got three parts of it
[speaker002:] I tell you that that is hilarious some parts of that you know the the one I
[speaker001:] yeah yeah wait a minute matter of fact I did read I I Robot
[speaker002:] I have actually gone back and is is long enough that was the first science fiction book I ever read was I Robot
[speaker001:] I Robot yeah that's pretty light reading for science fiction those kind of things
[speaker002:] and it and it was so good I went back and read it again because Asimov knows how to string things together you know
[speaker001:] yes he does well the uh Foundation Trilogy is directly connected to I Robot
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah right
[speaker001:] as a matter of fact his last book Foundation and Earth
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] they made the finally made the connection
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] that uh um leader robot whatever his I don't remember his name now
[speaker002:] I can't remember the name either but
[speaker001:] anyway he's still going in the Foundation at the uh in Foundation and Earth they meet up with him
[speaker002:] uh huh I'll be darned
[speaker001:] he's on a base on the moon and somehow or another earth has been so utterly polluted with uh uh uh radioactive fallout that it's utterly inhabitable uninhabitable even though it's been several million years
[speaker002:] right oh yeah
[speaker001:] uh several hundred thousand years anyway
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so it's it's utterly uninhabitable
[speaker002:] well while I was working I got enough I read on the job a lot of course just like a student does because you're learning all the time in research so I read
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I uh started uh long enough ago that uh vacuum tubes were still in business when I was a young engineer you know so I had to continually upgrade my education and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that was really good for me because that's what I'd like to do anyway I'd like to be a permanent student you know so uh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah well I I got started on student late I was thirty three when I started to college for the first time
[speaker002:] yeah so you knew what you wanted to do yeah yeah
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah I'd I'd been an auto mechanic for twenty years
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] started about twelve years old for my father but uh decided you know I I had a pretty good idea that wasn't what I wanted to do any more
[speaker002:] yeah yeah have you been in the military at all
[speaker001:] no didn't go through military um
[speaker002:] oh so probably so probably the things that I enjoy reading relative to military you would enjoy The Web Web Griffin stuff uh which uh has to do with the military and other right wing things
[speaker001:] uh uh not familiar with it |
[speaker001:] I'm ready. Well in Atlanta, Georgia you probably have a lot more crime than we have here in Patterson, California.
[speaker002:] [Noise] Oh could, could be.
[speaker001:] Uh, this little city is only about eight thousand people.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] Yeah, we, is, is crime a problem there? like a major problem, minor problem or,
[speaker001:] Well in Patterson there's, it's not a problem here. But like, uh, I lived in Oakland, uh, until just recently
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, Oakland, California, God, they've had like, uh, sixty-seven murders so far this year compared to like, uh, forty at this time last year.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So it's really bad there.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, and it's all related to drugs it seems like.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] [Swallowing] Is that what it's there too?
[speaker002:] Yeah. I've only been here for like, uh, probably just over six months I start, I
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] started school here. [clicking] Uh, I came from a smaller town in, in New York
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and cri-, the city was fairly big size or not real big but we had a problem there but here there's just no comparison that, much more crime.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, every night the news is very depressing because it just, they run down the list of how many people were shot, you know, drive by shootings or
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] whatever and it's, it, it's pretty bad. They're, they're, it's, things have basically improved here over the last few years. They've, they've actually taken steps to try to make it better but it still, it still is a problem.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Like I don't know what they can do to make it better unless they just hire more policemen.
[speaker002:] Well that's, that seems to be what they were doing and it has, and they've started, stepped up more patrols in certain areas and it has
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] has made some places safer but, you know, it's very difficult. I mean if you don't have an infinite amount of money to, to try to stop the problem although most people wish you could
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] as it is a, it's definitely a problem and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, the more, more, less that's done about it the more it seems it tends to spread into smaller areas unfortunately.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well I, I think that if they would do something to these people that they do catch instead of just slapping their little hands
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and, you know, then maybe those other people would be kind of scared and they would not do these bad things, you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think, I think that, uh, it's, uh, seems to be that, I don't know, some people they te-, they do something, you know, they shoot somebody or whatever, they go to jail, sentenced to jail for like thirty years they're out in five and they're back on the street and then they shoot someone else and just a, a cycle [mispronounced] and it seems, seems as though the, the system doesn't cha-, tend to stop them unless something is drastic is done.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I just don't understand our, our laws here. Because, you know, like in other countries, man, I mean, they're really a lot stricter than we are.
[speaker002:] Yeah. It's, definitely true. It seems, seems as though we try to play humanitarian I think to, a little to much *typo too and maybe some of the people don't deserve the, the humanitarian treatment that they get.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But I don't know. It's a difficult situation I think and some, something has to be done because I definitely think it's, it, it really plays, reeks havoc with your quality of life when, you know, you can see it's going on around you but then when, once it finally affects you then, then it really starts to bother you.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh,
[speaker002:] But it seems, I mean, people have moved like out of the city because they want to get away from the crime and so they tend to spread the cities farther and farther out but, you know, it's only a matter of time before, you know, it still catches up with them. You can't really run away from the problem
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and something, you know, something has to be done but just that too many people argue about how to fix it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I know when I lived in Oakland, it was just that, uh, like, I definitely wouldn't go into certain areas of, of the city by myself.
[speaker002:] Oh, sure.
[speaker001:] And, uh, and then, then again some areas I wouldn't go by myself after dark
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] you know.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] But down here, in Patterson, well like I say, it's so small
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that you can go anywhere.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's good.
[speaker001:] But just, uh, like twenty miles away see in Modesto, they have, uh, those gangs and things over there.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And it, it's bad. In Sacramento also, they have, uh, drive by shootings it seems like all the time.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, I don't know.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I just, I just don't know what, what they can do you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah. It's, it's to bad because it's, uh, I mean, th-, just even the random occurrences where, you know, it's unsafe for a woman just to walk from the car to the, some, in certain areas like from the car, from their car to the mall or something and it's dangerous.
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] And it's just, that's just ridiculous and you know, it's just, that's just not right. Something you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I mean like even, even going to the grocery store. I know we've had this one lady that was attacked, you know.
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] I mean, just, [sigh] you just, you just don't know what to do anymore, you know.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And some of the times it's happening in the daytime too, you know, so it's not always happening at dark.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So I don't know.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's definitely unfortunate [NOISE]. |
[speaker001:] Well, um, I'm, uh, pretty pro gun control over all. I, uh, I've had a lot of arguments with people about the issue of gun control and, uh, I must say that there are a couple of arguments against, uh, strong gun control which I find very compelling, although most the people who argue gun control with me I find, uh, use sort of canned arguments, you know, sort of the N R A slogan arguments and, um, uh, see I've been very frustrated when I do debate with people about it. Um, I guess on a one, a scale of one of ten I'm probably around a two in terms of fair restricting guns and I have to admit most of that is, uh, strong personal distaste. I don't like the idea of people being able to kill me with very little effort. Um, and, uh, guns are very symbolic of them having that power over me.
[speaker002:] Well, me being from Texas [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I hope you're ready for this.
[speaker001:] Um, uh, I'll give it a try. I've got my Texan stereotypes in place.
[speaker002:] Well, I'm not your stereotypical Texan. I was raised around guns, hunting.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [Smack] So I don't have a fear of fire arms in any respect.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I resp-, I respect them and what their capabilities are.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And on top of that spending a good portion of my earlier years in the military, as a Green Beret, I definitely respect the power of weaponry.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. It's pretty power isn't it [LAUGHTER]?
[speaker002:] And here in Houston, as well as just about any big city anywhere across this country, and here, here, here you go, here you, this will be border line N R A which I am not a member of.
[speaker001:] Okay. Okay.
[speaker002:] When you, I mean, you've heard the, the slogan, um, if you outlaw guns then only out laws will have guns.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. That applies to anything as well as guns. a gun.
[speaker002:] Well, you, you've got, well, any of the big cities you've got the different rival gangs and they're having their little turf wars over their little drug kingdoms and such,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And they get out their little Mac tens, they get out their little uzis and they're going to fight with them. And it doesn't matter what restrictions you put on that type of weapon or a class three firearm. If they want it they'll get it. I don't care if, if they've got to go down into New Mexico to get it they'll get it and they'll get across the border. Now my position, although, I have absolutely no use for a fully automatic weapon,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] anyway. Since I am a law-abiding citizen and I have never had a felony, if I wanted to buy one, I don't think there should be that big of a restriction on it. If they want to run a background check on me, fine. If they want to put a seven day waiting period, fine, again.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] If they want, want me to present a letter from my county sheriff saying that I've got his permission to have an automatic weapon in his county, that's fine too.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What I don't gets dangerous in terms of civil liberties because pretty soon it's [LAUGHTER] it wouldn't, you don't want to have someone making a personal trust in that way, I would hope. I mean, because I mean someone the personal sheriff doesn't like doesn't get to have a gun and someone the personal sheriff,
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] ,
[speaker002:] the only, well, the criteria the sheriff would have to follow has, is this guy a convicted felon? Uh, is he a habitual trouble maker? Are we picking him up every Saturday,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] for a drunk and disorderly and if he had an automatic weapon could he really be raising some problems. You know, just proving that you're a basically a good citizen.
[speaker001:] But if you're not a, if you're not a basically good citizen, you just told me that you're going to get one of those guns anyway.
[speaker002:] If, if they want the firepower they can get it.
[speaker001:] So why hav-,
[speaker002:] because it doesn't matter how restrictive your border control points are they'll get it across the border one way or the other.
[speaker001:] So why have any restrictions at all?
[speaker002:] Uh, okay. Let-, go back to that one to ten scale where one,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] being,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] full gun control,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] ten being none.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I'd said about an eight.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, we can could be,
[speaker002:] I said the restrictions I would like to see on, for anybody, whether it being for handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, I would like to see them go through either, I'd like to see a law enforcement agency, not N R A, but whether it be the, your state police or your county police for you to be able purchase a handgun. You got to go through their course and get certified that you know how to properly handle the weapon, how to safely handle the weapon, how to properly maintain it, the three basics.
[speaker001:] Well, that makes a lot of since to me. I mean, I certainly feel that if, if, we may disagree on when someone should own a fire arm but, uh, I certainly agree that if someone owns a fire arm that have as much responsibility to know how do, use it safely as someone learns how to drive, if not more so.
[speaker002:] Well, the han-, in the hands of the wrong person the car can be just as deadly as the weapon,
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] as a, as a pistol.
[speaker001:] Well, I have a bicycle [LAUGHTER] and that scares me too to tell you the truth [LAUGHTER] because I've been run off the road and all sorts of things. Well, I'm still, I'm still puzzled though, what is the argument, how does the argument work if, uh, if the bad guys are going to have guns anyway. What's the point of putting a restrictio-, basically, the restrictions are just to penalize the good guys because the bad guys are going to get the guns anyway they're not going to take those courses. Is it, uh, is it a way of raising the prices of illegal guns?
[speaker002:] Well there's,
[speaker001:] If it's not going to cut the supply of illegal guns it must going to at least raise the prices does that, uh, mean advantage?
[speaker002:] Uh, not necessarily a price thing. What is happening at least in this state and I expect to see it in other states very soon, legislation been introduced as that, if a citizen of the state, being,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] myself, has not committed a felony and has completed a certified weapons course, I can carry a weapon on me at all times concealed or uncon-, unconcealed.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Okay. You, you're, you're from California, right?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] L A area?
[speaker001:] Uh, no. Bay area. San Francisco,
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Bay area.
[speaker002:] Okay. You've been to the city?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And all these people come around, someone attempts to mug me I would ju-, I would, as it stands now if he pulls a blade on me we're equally matched because I can meet him blade for blade.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Now if this legislation comes through, he pull-, I'm out with my family
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] we've gone shopping, we're fixing to get in the car, this guy comes up, he pulls a blade on me. I can pull a gun on him now. When you're, and when you're looking down the barrel of a hand cannon things change real quick.
[speaker001:] What if you're looking down the barrel of a hand cannon?
[speaker002:] Then it's still equally matched. Having,
[speaker001:] I,
[speaker002:] having spent time in combat I feel,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I feel it before they'll get the gun on me.
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] If I'm,
[speaker001:] I'm, I'm sure,
[speaker002:] at the same,
[speaker001:] I'm sure given all,
[speaker002:] time.
[speaker001:] given all your training I'm sure that, you know, you'd, [LAUGHTER] if I walk into a bad neighborhood I'm sure I'd want to walk through with you because I'm sure you have good, you know, fa-, far above the average instinct for how to use guns and how to use them effectively and everything. Um, I'm, quite concerned that if you let everyone hasn't yet used a gun in a, haven't, hasn't yet committed a felony, if you let them all walk around carrying guns in this sort of wild west scenario, you're going to get an awful lot of people shooting guns pretty quickly just given human nature. You're going to start getting a lot of gunfire. It's, it's hard for me to imagine that a, a situation of, you know, take it to a logical extreme, if everyone walking around carrying a guns you're not going to have an increase in gunfire.
[speaker002:] I, actually it's no-, it's more of a police action in itself, the fact that everybody is packing a piece is a deterrence for someone saying, well, I'm going to mug this guy right here but hey, he's carrying just as much firepower as I can. And if they're sca-, if you got to go through a certification course to get where, to where you can carry it in public,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] then this individual also knows this guy's pretty good with it. Now whether this person is made the moral decision whether he can take another human life or not,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that's another trip,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh
[speaker002:] but.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] In defense of myself, defense of my family or defense of my friends I can blow somebody a way in a heart beat.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Even, even more so when it comes to my, my wife and son.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Anybody,
[speaker001:] I know,
[speaker002:] anybody tries to hurt them I won't even blink,
[speaker001:] No. I, I understand that. What if, uh, what if you think someone's trying to hurt them and you make a mistake?
[speaker002:] This, this is where the question of gun control comes in.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, uh, that,
[speaker002:] What,
[speaker001:] that was the topic.
[speaker002:] I consider gun control is being able to hit my target with the first shot.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Say a person, uh, uh, get, all of a sudden my combat in me goes up and say I've got the vibes, this guy's fixing to do something, I go ahead and pull my piece.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I make sure this persons sees it so that he's got now doubt that I will use it on him and I will use it right then.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] If he doesn't back up at that point he deserves what he gets because I have sent the clearest signal you mess with me, you mess with my family, I'm going to dust you. As it stands now I've got to do that with a blade. And the only reason I feel confid-, com-, com-, comfortable doing that is because of the training I've had.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well as, as someone who would, would possibly be in the role of an independent bystander, I feel more comfortable with people having blades because, uh, you're not going to get [breathing] bullets flying around killing people instantly and, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, if I'm the one doing the shooting I don't miss. That's the kind of training I've had. I mean... |
[speaker001:] Uh, I guess I've always kind of liked golf. I, I worked on a golf course at, at one time and that's how I picked up golf. And, uh, I don't know it's just a, kind of a challenging game.
[speaker002:] It sure is. I play at least three times a week.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I'm on it,
[speaker001:] I haven't gotten the chance lately though to play. I'm trying to get back into it. Uh, so, uh, I got to start all over again. It's not like riding a bicycle. You do tend to,
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] forget.
[speaker002:] Well, I'm one of those rare left-handed golfers.
[speaker001:] [Very faint] Oh. Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I do enjoy playing.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] What is your handicap?
[speaker002:] Right now it's three.
[speaker001:] Okay. Uh, I was down at about four or five quite awhile ago. It's probably up there to twenty now if I to start again.
[speaker002:] Well, if you play with some consistency though, you can get it right back down.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. I have got to try and get out there. I, I know with our, our long winters I, I enjoy watching it. I don't know if it's just because I like the game or I just like to, to see the warm weather.
[speaker002:] Uh, well, we can usually play here year around. Sometimes in January it's not too comfortable to play.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But there is usually two or three days in the week that you can get out there and play, and I'm pretty much addicted to golf, so. I get out there one way or the other.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Yeah, that's the problem out here with the long layovers with the winter you almost have to relearn every spring [LAUGHTER] to, to get back out.
[speaker002:] It's a good game though. It's very challenging and the reason I like it so much is because I'm essentially playing against myself.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] That's the way I look at it. I, I play in, in lo-, a lot of groups and but I, they keep score and, between themselves but I really don't care. Um, I go out and each shot I say, well, this is what I'm going to try to do
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then I see how close I can come to that.
[speaker001:] Right. Yeah, you always work on trying to improve each day and,
[speaker002:] Yeah, and i-, inevitably one facet of my game isn't working at one time or another. Either I'm not driving very well or I'm not hitting long irons very well or I'm not putting well or, but sometimes it all comes together.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. I, when I used to golf out there I'd putt well but I, I wouldn't, uh, chip well. One of the two, uh, or something would go wrong but I always managed to, to get near par anyway.
[speaker002:] Well, we just had the tour championship here in Pine Hurst.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] And I went to that. Craig Statler won in a playoff.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But we, uh, this is a big golf area.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We have a lot of, uh, I'd say we probably have [breathing] within fifteen miles, twenty golf communities built around courses that are pretty well designed and then of course, Pine Hurst and we still have the Greensboro Open here every year.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Do you have, uh, long waits, uh, to get on the course?
[speaker002:] Yes, we do as a matter of fact. It, it, uh, it's only been that way in the last five years.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But now you, uh, most of the courses have a, uh, two day advance tee time you have to call,
[speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. I just moved into this small community so I'm going to try and get into one of the golf courses here.
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] I'm hoping that won't be,
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] cou-, I,
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] was from the, uh,
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] twin cities area.
[speaker002:] [Cough] That's some cold golf too, isn't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] Are you sure you guys aren't having the bad weather?
[speaker002:] [Cough] We have cold.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Usually January and the first two weeks of February.
[speaker001:] Well, I wish that's all we had.
[speaker002:] But, uh, last week we were in the seventies. Something is coming through now so it's like in the low forties right now.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] But, uh, it's supposed to leave early in the week and then be back in the sixties. We have very windy winters
[speaker001:] [Cough] Yeah [NOISE].
[speaker002:] [Cough] and very cold. But we don't get any snow anymore. I don't, I don't know what changed that pattern. We used to get four or five inches a year. Now we get nothing. It's been probably five years since we've had any measurable snowfall.
[speaker001:] I see. Well, at least it, that doesn't, uh, get in the way of golfing so that [NOISE],
[speaker002:] No, but I have played golf in the snow before. *slash error
[speaker001:] [Noise] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Get out my orange golf ball and go out.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, that's what they do here sometimes. You hear about it where they will take the orange ball out there but, if you got, |
[speaker001:] okay capital punishment oh I honestly don't feel like it's strict enough in my opinion
[speaker002:] in the way that it's applied or that it's applied at all
[speaker001:] uh-huh applied at all
[speaker002:] so I how do you feel that it should be applied
[speaker001:] well I just I just feel like there's a lot of murderers and rapists and everything else just walking the streets you know
[speaker002:] and that that the penalty ought to be out there and be enforced
[speaker001:] yes yes not getting paroled lets say in so many years I mean if your going to sentence somebody lets say twenty years let them stay twenty years
[speaker002:] yes that's I agree with that completely I know we don't have enough prisons but there has got to be some kind of punishment for these people
[speaker001:] there has that's right
[speaker002:] because if they turn around they can get away they get away with it and they get away with it and they get away with it and then they do something worse and they get a slap on the wrist they get thirty days in jail and they finally get up to where they kill somebody else and they go through fourteen appeals and
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] how many hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars
[speaker001:] that's right that's honestly right
[speaker002:] and it's
[speaker001:] they have really got it better than we do in a lot of ways you know
[speaker002:] well they certainly are living off our expense at our expense
[speaker001:] but they sure are just because some innocent person can really it seems like really serve a rough time you know I'm not saying innocent person let's say someone wrote a hot check for instance
[speaker002:] I didn't yes
[speaker001:] you know it seems like when they go to prison it they really seem like it's a rough time for them and a murderer well go to prison oh he's just there to serve his time and get back out on the street
[speaker002:] um-hum and and be paroled and and have served the sentence that's what that's what people face with that choice one thing I really hate is they don't explain to the jurors in a in a trial on a capital murder trial or in
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] cases of rape or in different things that are so horrible what it means when they sentence them to you know they'll sentence them to ninety years and say that it's you know that it's going to you know that should be life but instead in in given the choice of either sentencing to death or sentencing to life they'll give them ninety years in prison or something
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then turn around in thirty years that you know and less they're out
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] even if if they're even in that long or they appeal and then they get an appeal that says it was you know an unjust amount of time it was an extraordinary long length or something
[speaker001:] time uh-huh yes I just I would just be I would love to see them just really get real strict on parole
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] I'd like to see the death penalty more as a deterrent I think people know that nobody that it doesn't you know it it's not a deterrent right now because it's not really effective
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] there's should be you know this for this crime this is the penalty you killed someone you know in cold blood or whatever this is what's going to happen
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah you get it back yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and I mean it sounds horrible it I I hear myself saying this and but I don't know what else to do with some of these people that are because they let them back out again and they do the same thing over and over again then they put them back in jail and they get out and and more and more innocent people are hurt or killed
[speaker001:] but it's I I know yeah same thing yes yes uh-huh
[speaker002:] and these guys just are on the endless merry-go-round in the legal system
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it's like I said at our expense
[speaker001:] uh a lot of people really doesn't think that much about it because it hasn't happened to them which it hasn't to me either you know thank goodness but still it it could
[speaker002:] yes I know I you read about it in the paper every day somebody who's done this or that
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] something really horrible and they just get away with it and nothing happens
[speaker001:] uh-huh and as far as the other states I honestly don't know what their capital punishment is you know I I haven't kept up you know anything like that
[speaker002:] yeah I think I think Texas is what Texas the southern states seem to be somewhat more conservative and still have the death penalty and I think I know California had it for a long time and then they um took it off the books they repealed it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and people like Charles Manson and and some of these other people who were sentenced to death at the time they repealed the death penalty were sentenced to life in prison and are now now that even though California has reinstated the death penalty for whatever various crimes the people who were there originally when they when they changed the laws to revoke the death penalty are still in there for are in prison in quote for life and and are now coming up for parole some of them like Manson who's come up
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know it's been denied fortunately but
[speaker001:] but yes but still it came up though didn't it I mean you know
[speaker002:] yeah well the jury that originally sentenced him sentenced him to death
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then while he was on appeal on his thousandth and one appeal the state of California reverked revoked the law in the early seventies and then they reinstated it later but the penalty didn't go back you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it seems like a lot of times the law is is totally on the criminal side and and isn't protecting the rest of the people
[speaker001:] yes the victim is really seems like left out in the cold more or less doesn't it in a lot of well especially in things you pick up the paper and you read you know you think oh my goodness
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah and the the laws are all the rules some of the things that would make sense to to tell the jury that this this guy has a a prior criminal history you know where he's raped ten women
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then he gets up for this one trial and they don't find anything out about the facts that he's done this over and over and over again
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so they say well this is you know I I don't know if they say it's the first time offense or whatever but they give him a lighter sentence thinking he's not a habitual criminal
[speaker001:] or you know plead insanity
[speaker002:] yeah well
[speaker001:] you know and a lots of things
[speaker002:] to some extent if they would do something with some of those people but that seems to be a good way to get off for a lot of them too
[speaker001:] oh yes I think yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] they plead insanity and then three years later they're cured and let loose on society again
[speaker001:] yes I it just just doesn't make sense I just
[speaker002:] I mean it's a it's a scary world out there anymore where your afraid to go out I know in in the Dallas metroplex area I don't go out hardly if I don't have to at night by myself
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I I certainly I I grew up in a smaller town in Texas and it wasn't that way when I was younger
[speaker001:] uh-huh well like I said I live in a small place you know
[speaker002:] we could go around and boy
[speaker001:] but uh even the small towns now though has really changed from when I was a kid but now I'm raising children it just it really is
[speaker002:] yes ever you can't even when I was a kid I would run between my neighbors three and four blocks sometimes and as long as my mom had a general idea where I was and I was back on the time and now I don't let my kids out of the front yard that I can't see them
[speaker001:] uh-huh see them yep yeah it really is well we're probably fixing to run out of time pretty soon but I've enjoyed talking to you
[speaker002:] um-hum well good talking to you too bye bye
[speaker001:] bye okay bye-bye |
[speaker001:] Well, what's your views on it?
[speaker002:] I think it's, uh, a good idea. Um, I grew up, uh, my teenage years were spent during the sixties, graduating, uh, high school in sixty-eight. Um, I remember when the Peace Corps movement first came about, and I thought it was a very good idea at the time. I was one of those, uh, Kennedy children, if you know what I mean.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, right now I see a lot of kids who get out of school, have no idea what they want to do.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And there's a lot of things out there that we could do, uh, for our own country,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] let alone other countries,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] and I think that we've got the, the people power to do it, it's just, uh, we need to channel it and focus it on some things that, that need some fixing up. Um,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] some examples are this, uh, some of the things, like Jimmy Carter's been involved in, uh, a little program to, you know, fix up housing for people.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And there's a lot of housing,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] a-, I know in the area that I live in, that's run down and beat up, but it could be fixed up and used,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and it's just, you know, sitting there wasting away.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we're not too far behind [horn]. I graduated in seventy-one, so I'm, I'm same generation. I, I'm, it's going to be a short conversation because I agree with you.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I, I think, uh, [horn] I don't, I don't even think it ought to be, uh, voluntary, I think it ought to be mandatory. Uh, for kids to either, either do military service, or public service, one of the two. Uh, a lot of reasons for that, not, not just because I'm a, I'm a hard ass or anything.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's just that, like you say, kids are getting out of high school not knowing what in the heck they're going to do, and either the military or public service organization can give them a lot of focus. And, I think that it might stop us some problems later on. I mean, you know y-, these kids will get their, their heads on straight, and, and figure out what they want to do, instead of hanging around street corners selling drugs or something. Uh, it's, I think it would be good for them, uh, it helps mature them a little bit, and helps them understand the world, the way it really is.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think a lot of people grow up with, uh, with, uh, preconceived notions li-, what the world's about.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] A lot of it has to do from too much T V,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh, you know, it's, there's, there's a heck of a lot of difference between, you know, the intake that you get from T V and, and movies, and what you hear in school, and then what reality is.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I remember, uh, I've, I've worked since I was, well, I started delivering papers when I was ten, and I had a real job when I was thirteen, so I've, you know, worked most of my life. But I remember when I got out of high school, all through high school was, boy, I can't wait to get out of high school, I can't wait to get out of high school. And I wanted to go to college, and I had the grades to go to college, and I got accepted to college, but when I got out of high school, I kind of said, you know, what am I going to do now?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, it's like, you know, when I actually started working full time, and I, I got married shortly after getting out of high school. I, uh, thought I was smart, ran away and got married,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and, uh, I remember there was a time, and within the first year of marriage, I said, boy wouldn't I give to get, be back in school,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and just have to do homework, and, and go work my part time job.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Because, life, and the reality of working for a living, and trying to make ends meet, is just so overwhelming to someone,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] if they aren't prepared for it.
[speaker001:] And, and most of them aren't.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] I mean, you look, you look at the number of marriages that are occurring right ou-, I mean, even in high school, and, you know, y-, you wonder, where are the parents in all of this. You know, why isn't somebody stepping in and, and sto-, putting a stop to this. Kids in high school are just too young to be married.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They ha-, they have no idea what the world is like. They don't how tough it is out there to make a living.
[speaker002:] Yeah, a,
[speaker001:] Uh, I mean, I was in the same boat when I left high school. I, my parents wanted me to go straight to college and I didn't. You know, I was ready, I was ready, I had wanderlust, I wanted to get out and see some things. So, I joined the Air Force and ended up staying there for thirteen years.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] Um, but, I had lived in my own little bubble up until that time, and, and after traveling around the world a few times, I realized that, things ain't the way they seem.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And I, I did a lot of growing up there, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think once, once kids get out and see how other people really live,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[speaker002:] and know how bad off some people really are, and how good they've got it,
[speaker001:] That's right [throat clearing].
[speaker002:] and what it takes to have that good life,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] a-, if you're willing to work for it,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] then they're probably be more inclined to work for it.
[speaker001:] Well, you know, it's just like you say, there's so much stuff that needs to be done here in this country, and, uh, you know, if, if you could have a thought of something like, uh, like a, uh, uh, a Peace Corps sort of organization. I mean, this would be so useful, just in, uh, for instance, just helping old folks.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, exactly.
[speaker001:] You know, they, you know they need help, they don't have anybody to depend on, and it would be nice to have somebody come over and cut their yard or paint their house, or do minor repairs, or something like that. Y-,
[speaker002:] You know, I've, I've s-, I, my, my parents are in their late sixties now, and, um, so many of the people that live around them are unable to do those things for themselves anymore.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, it's, it's really hard on them, and the, you know, the thought that I, I see the, uh, the mall rats, you know, walking around the mall, nothing better to do than just walk around the mall all day long, when they could be doing something to help someone.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh, you know, yo-, there's a, uh, a nice warm feeling, I remember getting out of doing things like that when I was younger,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean, I was a Boy Scout and the whole bit and,
[speaker001:] Yeah, my mom's in the same position, late sixties, and, and it got to the, got to the point where, I mean, me and my brother both were, were gone, and she couldn't maintain the house, without large expenditures of money.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, it finally got to a point where she just had to sell it and move into an apartment. And, uh, I, I'm not, I'm not saying that that wouldn't have happened anyway, but it would have been nice if there had been somebody to come around and take care of the little things. You know, like the, like the yard work and little repairs, and painting and stuff like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I think there'd, there'd be a, you know, a, uh, economic benefit for, you know, everyone concerned,
[speaker001:] Oh yeah, sure.
[speaker002:] those doing the work, and those receiving the, the, uh, the services.
[speaker001:] Sure, I mean, I mean, the kids who would be giving the service are going to get a lot more out of it than just money.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, that, I, I remember when I was a kid, I used to do little, little things for the old folks around the neighborhood, and, uh, I know how it made me feel. [pause] You know, you s-, uh, peop-, people just don't help people anymore. They're, they're out for themselves and,
[speaker002:] Yeah. I think, uh, President Bush covered that in his, uh, State of the Union Address this year when he said that, you know, it's time for, you know, the individuals to start thinking about what they can do to help each other out instead of counting on government to do everything.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well that's, that's the, that's the point we've gotten to, you know. Every time somebody wants something they always turn to the government. And, y-, the government's going to be limited. I, where are they going to get the money? They're going to get it from us. And we can do it a lot more efficiently than the government.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We don't need to add fourteen layers of bureaucracy to a program.
[speaker002:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] Um, the thing that Carter works on, uh, Habitats For Humanity, I was involved in that w-, uh, in Montgomery, before I came up to North Carolina,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [throat clearing].
[speaker001:] and, uh, it was, it was a pretty neat little program. We'd just go out, and they would buy a plot of land, and contractors and builders, and everybody else would donate their, their time, and, uh, the materials were at cost. And we'd put up houses. And, that was kind, that was kind of neat. I, uh, in a way, I think it's a little bit inefficient, but, but it's better than nothing.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, and at least I had the opportunity of seeing two families move into decent housing. Um, course, on the other hand, I can start complaining very loudly about people on public assistance who are quite capable of doing something for themselves, but just won't.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Because it's far more advantageous for them to sit there and just draw, uh, welfare money than it is to work. Uh, we did a, uh, a cost comparison in one of my courses, and we took all the benefits that a family, that a, a married couple with two kids would get under welfare, and what they would be making at minimum wage. And they came out four thousand dollars better a year, by taking welfare.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] So there's no incentive for them to do anything. [pause] Far better for them to sit on their butts and draw the money.
[speaker002:] Yeah. One of the things they tried to push through in Maryland, and, uh, weren't very successful was that if you were an able-bodied person on welfare,
[speaker001:] You had to do something.
[speaker002:] you had to do some work. And,
[speaker001:] Yeah. A-, an-, and that's been tried, that was tried in Alabama too, and it got shot down.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I d-, and I don't understand the reasoning for it. I really don't. It, it seems perfectly logical that if somebody's going to take public money, then they should return something to the public. I mean, if nothing else, go out along an interstate and pick up garbage.
[speaker002:] That's exactly what they were trying to get them to do.
[speaker001:] Yeah. What do they, what do they do in Maryland, do they use highway people or do they use prisoners?
[speaker002:] Um, both.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Tha-, that's the way they did it in Alabama, too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they use both.
[speaker001:] U-, usually you'd see these big chain gangs out there, [LAUGHTER] picking up trash.
[speaker002:] Uh, they have a, they have another program in Maryland that's called Adopt A Highway.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, we have that here in North Carolina. |
[speaker001:] uh guy uh some of my things I I'd like to have a short work week
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] you know and and we need you know better health insurance and you know cause
[speaker002:] okay we can start off there let's just get started I don't wanna well you know uh talk about it now and then be bored when we get to it
[speaker001:] yeah okay okay so I just press one then right okay ready
[speaker002:] right yep
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] so so you think uh I I think a short work week is real nice uh I have a thirty seven hour work week how about you
[speaker001:] well right now I'm I'm just a student I only work part time but I I've work in the job force before and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] forty hours is just too long you just don't have any time to do anything it it seems like Saturday Saturday you you get off but Sunday you're getting ready for Monday and if we could have us if we could have a thirty two hour work week well that'd happen is that for every four people we'd give another job
[speaker002:] uh-huh right
[speaker001:] and then that way that everybody would have a three day holiday okay and that way that more that that would make a a bigger market we'd have uh more recreation people would have time to do it there'd be less of a stress level we'd have less we'd have less crime we'd have to we'd have to build less prisons we'd need you know less police force
[speaker002:] yeah it all makes sense to me although there may be more crime I mean if people have more leisure time it's not clear in that
[speaker001:] it it that's that's that's a that's a possibility one of one of the problems they're facing now a lot of people now is that the health insurance
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] is that the small businesses can't afford can't offer us health insurance
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it it it's too costly and then what is what is happening is that they're on um a policy where they have so X amount of of users in it okay and so they get a specific rate well what happens is that if if people start becoming having chronic illness and and and things like that what happens and they where they have to spend out a lot of money for one particular it's called a a group well what'll what happens then is that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] they cancel because they just can't cancel the indivigal so that they have to cancel is just like life insurance they have to cancel everything
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so what they do is is that they they cancel the insurance and then all the people don't have any insurance coverage
[speaker002:] right so
[speaker001:] but I'm I'm you know I'm I'm satisfied with my job I'm I'm an engineering student and I work for my instructor and I'm
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I'm not a typical student I'm I'm older I'm I'm in my thirties okay and so I have a lot of job experience and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] my instructor thrives on that because he can just tell me what he wants and he can give me access and tell me what to do and just turn me loose but in the in the same token
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] it's a really really enjoyable for me because I don't have to have you know nobody breathing down my back and one of the things that I I really hate about jobs I don't I don't like bosses that that you know wanna yell at you and you know and are are down your back and all this and that I I just really can't deal with that so
[speaker002:] yeah uh
[speaker001:] what kind of what kind of jobs have you done
[speaker002:] well I do work uh research in computer science and I've just been doing that for a few years now so
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh I my job has most of the benefits I want um what I really like is I like being like they send me to conferences for instance but probably not as much as I'd like but uh you know that's just nice being you know having a company being able to give you time to do that sort of thing and sort of uh they also a really important thing to me is when they uh they pay for continuing education like I I get night courses that they're they'll cover right now and that's really good
[speaker001:] yeah that's great you have what you might call knowledge power you know when when you work at a company
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] whether you know it or not is that you're categorized some people can be let go and replaced like uh say uh a a typist uh somebody who does data entry or answers the telephone a receptionist but if you're a person that's doing computer type things and you have the you have the knowledge you know what the system you've revised and revamped the system well then you're you're vital to the company and you get more of the benefits so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that's where I'm that I'm I like I'm into computers too and that's one of the things that I've found in in any one one of these jobs and anything I've done is that to have knowledge when you have the knowledge you're you're not gonna um you know be let go you know be one of the last ones to let go anyway
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but what I |
[speaker001:] Mark I was wondering if you had any uh what do what do you like to do in your spare time
[speaker002:] uh I like to play my guitar a lot and uh I I do a little bit of uh wood working out in the garage a lot
[speaker001:] really have you had lessons guitar lessons
[speaker002:] uh not really very formal I I took uh some classical guitar lessons from my church once but they weren't very good
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh so I didn't really learn much from that I I generally learn how to play songs just by ear I I listen to it and and figure it out myself and then go from there
[speaker001:] huh well have you ever wanted to play in a band
[speaker002:] yeah I was I was in several bands when I was some what younger and then I just kind of got tired of it because they were all a little pig headed and self centered didn't care about anybody else but themselves
[speaker001:] well and bad hours too
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that too
[speaker001:] huh well I um I like to play the piano I mean I like to dabble in it I don't play very well but uh I wouldn't say that was a hobby so much as um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I usually you know I do some crafts and things but mostly out of necessity like if it's Christmas time or a birthday or uh we bought a house not too long ago and I needed some decorations and things for the walls and so I've done some
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] um crafts and things to hang up but I don't do it I don't think so much out of enjoyment now do you do your woodworking for enjoyment
[speaker002:] yeah um yeah I I usually do my wood working for stuff that I want and for just so that I don't have to you know it's it's cheaper to to build it yourself than it is to go out and buy it from a furniture store
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so I I I do it for monetary and personal enjoyment it's it's it's it's an accomplishment to finish something that you that you made by yourself
[speaker001:] yeah that's true is is it one of those uh things that you have to have expensive equipment for
[speaker002:] um it really depends on what you're making uh if if you're making a piece of furniture yeah you'd generally need a a good you know table saw and everything uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] if it's just some little old knickknack or something you can usually get away with a like a hand held saw or something like that
[speaker001:] um-hum hum
[speaker002:] but uh it's a it's a lot of fun you just you have to be careful so you don't like go lopping your fingers off or anything
[speaker001:] sounds like it
[speaker002:] my my dad's gotten into the to the the wood working stuff here lately and he's trying to make a a uh jewelry box for my grandmother for Christmas and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] he didn't get it finished because he kept screwing up the lid for it but uh he uh he doesn't know all the the safety rules and everything so I had to kind of keep him from taking off a finger or two and there's a couple of things he's done that I've like near had nearly had a heart attack over it's like Dad you're doing it wrong
[speaker001:] that's awful
[speaker002:] you're gonna hurt yourself yeah but uh
[speaker001:] that's pretty funny well I uh since my kids started to school um they have to have costumes it seems like every little bit they have like a pirate day and a Pilgrim feast and things and so I've done some
[speaker002:] yeah and Halloween and
[speaker001:] right so I've done some sewing and things but uh you know to meet the demands of all these costumes but um and I enjoy it in a way but um it seems like we keep busy you know at work and at school and I volunteer a lot of places so that in my spare time I like to rest and read
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I I work I work out of the I work at a Renaissance festival down in Waxahachie and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I have to make my own costume for that out there and uh
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] it uh tries your patience sometimes because the the patterns aren't always the best things in the world they they draw you a pattern on a on a a piece of paper and you're supposed to like you know figure out all the dimensions and everything yourself and
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] kind of helps if you can either get somebody else to do it or find somebody else that already has a good pattern and just copy it
[speaker001:] well and there's a lot of people that enjoy sewing
[speaker002:] yeah like my mom sew has sewn for years and years and years and years and years
[speaker001:] hum but I have um you know done some knitting and some other crafts like that but not um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know not so much because it's all so expensive to go and collect all of the material and then the tools you need
[speaker002:] yeah yeah one one one thing that is a lot of fun is to do calligraphy
[speaker001:] uh-huh I like that
[speaker002:] I I took a couple classes in when I was in high school and stuff like that it's it's a lot of fun and it's fairly inexpensive you go out and get you two dollar pen that lasts forever and
[speaker001:] um-hum and it's right and it's functional so that you're always needing you know it's nice to do your Christmas cards
[speaker002:] yeah you can do it yourself do your Christmas cards and invitations and things like that
[speaker001:] yeah sounds good
[speaker002:] or even something you just wanna frame and stick on your wall
[speaker001:] yep that's right we have enjoyed that seems like um we've done a lot too well has it has it been snowing that way wherever you are
[speaker002:] uh I I live in Richardson just outside of Dallas it snowed snowed just
[speaker001:] um-hum |
[speaker001:] [Beep] Yes, um, [breathing] I, I think that Plano has really done a fantastic job. I mean, at least their plans have, are good. Um, how-, however, I was,
[speaker002:] [Noise] [banging].
[speaker001:] maybe you saw in the paper this morning that, um, they've had some problems with,
[speaker002:] With the plastic.
[speaker001:] the recycling on plastic, uh-huh. I thought that was most interesting.
[speaker002:] Well, I just, I thought it was sad that they, it [NOISE] started out as a good program. *two utts?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But then people started dumping trash.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] and the wrong objects in there, and I,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and that concerned me, that people were using it as a way to get rid of things they just didn't want to set at the curb or take to the
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] dump, and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh,
[speaker001:] I guess that's going to happen.
[speaker002:] I, it's too bad that people have to ruin,
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] [Noise] a good part thing.
[speaker001:] a really good effort, that's right, yeah.
[speaker002:] But, uh,
[speaker001:] Well, I was thinking about the other day, um, when I, when Dick and I were, oh, many, many years ago when we were first married and he was in graduate school in [NOISE] Missouri, um, I went, oh, I was probably, this was probably, see, it have been like nineteen sixty-seven or sixty-eight, um, we, I went to a meeting, and, uh, one of the, the speakers at the meeting was a woman who was recycling and, um,
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] she was from Saint Louis, and she had this fantastic, um, family effort in, in recycling, and she was dividing her colored glass and her plastics,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and her aluminum, and I thought wow, I mean, how, one person is doing that, you know, but my, my thought was it's a shame, I mean, it's wonderful that she's doing it and it, but wouldn't it be mu-, much nicer if we all did it, because her effort would have really, um, really, uh, been a good example for all of us. And yet, you know, and we were just sort of talking about it at the time. And here we are, you know, now we're doing it on a,
[speaker002:] Doing it [talking].
[speaker001:] city wide basis in, in communities. So it's wonderful that we've come that far, I think but, *slash error
[speaker002:] What did she do with, if, if she, was she like a group that was doing it,
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] or was she doing it on her own, and,
[speaker001:] I think she was,
[speaker002:] what did she do with the,
[speaker001:] I was trying to remember, it seems to me that she was doing it on her own, and living in Saint Louis, there were places where she could actually take her,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, things herself, uh, and so it wasn't, you know, something that was being picked up or, um, and I think she was encouraging other people to do it if they would. But I remember her saying yes, I have a trash can for this and a trash can for that, and a trash can for the other thing, and [LAUGHTER] I thought wow, that's, that is wonderful, that somebody does that.
[speaker002:] You, you have to really want to do it, though.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] This is, even, even what you recycle, because we, we do the, the, plastics and the,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the aluminum,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] and the glass and the paper.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] And, um, and, of course, then, you know, you try to buy right too, but, *slash error
[speaker001:] Sure you do, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, a lot of our neighbors say, well, what, you have to rinse out this and you have to make sure it's that, *sd
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and you have to, it's, uh, we, we had neighbors that complained when we got the new garbage cans.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Isn't that amazing?
[speaker002:] And I thought what are you complaining about,
[speaker001:] Well, you know,
[speaker002:] when you're only going to get picked up once a month, you know,
[speaker001:] [Lipsmack] Yes.
[speaker002:] or once a week and,
[speaker001:] People, I don't know, they find fault in everything, rather than say this is a good effort.
[speaker002:] Rather than work with it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I don't know. It's, it's, I under-, I know what you're saying, kind of people like that and, *slash error
[speaker002:] Well, it's for everybody's benefit.
[speaker001:] Well, sure it is. *ba
[speaker002:] I mean, it's, it's not, so maybe we don't realize it in our lifetime, but we, you have to think grandchildren,
[speaker001:] Yep.
[speaker002:] and great grandchildren and,
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's on down the line.
[speaker002:] what kind of quality of life are you leaving them?
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And, and the, and I have a real concern about that.
[speaker001:] Yes. Yeah,
[speaker002:] Uh.
[speaker001:] I agree. When,
[speaker002:] We've never had much trash, because wh-, while I was raised in a big family, and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and Gene's family wasn't big, but they weren't rich [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and they had to, to recycle.
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] And, and, you know, the fu-, well, they didn't, they just used things, they didn't,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] throw things away,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] before they were used up and,
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, I know, um, I guess I got a good example from my mother, because she was always [breathing] very, very conscientious about recycling things, and she is to this day, and, you know, I mean, she'll even,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] um, if she, for instance, she, she would take the waxed paper out of a cereal box and use that for, you know, when she made cookies, it would go on that or,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] if she needed to wrap something for, needed, uh, sandwich paper or something, she'd use that.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] She just, she recycles everything. And I have done the same thing. I recycle like zip lock bags and,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] things like that. My kids get the biggest kick out of that. Although, they do the same thing [LAUGHTER]. I mean, they
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I think they give me a hard time, but I think they know that that's,
[speaker002:] They've picked up the hab-,
[speaker001:] it's the right way [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, they do, and when they actually get out away from the home,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and have to do their own buying of things,
[speaker001:] Yes, and they appreciate how much it costs to do that.
[speaker002:] Th-, and then they say, well, hey, you know, mom used to do this and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] dad used to do that,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] and pretty soon they're, they're figuring out that's not such a bad way *slash error with utt2; one utt to go. *slash error
[speaker001:] That's true, yeah. *slash errortwo utts
[speaker002:] But, *%
[speaker001:] Well, I don't know, you know. I, I wonder how, how you instill in people the necessity for doing just a little bit extra to, to make this whole thing work. I mean, the extra like washing out bottles and jars, or the extra of actually, uh, making sure that, uh, you take stuff over to, you know, some people are compl-, now are complaining because the stuff isn't picked up at the curbside, you know,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] and I think golly Moses, you just do your part. You know, people are not, you, you, you can't be waited on all your life and expect things to always ha-, work ou-, out.
[speaker002:] Right. Well, see, this, this is what concerns me. You, over in Europe they don't have the kind of waste we do here.
[speaker001:] No, that's right.
[speaker002:] You, you've got to be in a country, even in, in Mexico,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you don't see things thrown away,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] like we do here.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean, what we throw away is, is a ransom, a king's,
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] ransom to most people,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I, and even to people in our country,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] who scavenge for food and,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] and, and I, I think you have to get into a period of need,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] bef-, you can't tell a person that lives in a hundred, two hundred, three hundred thousand dollar house that have all that they need,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and all that they could want
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that they've got to be careful.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] This is, uh, I, this is why I thought Jimmy Carter was never very po-, very pos-,
[speaker001:] Uh. *slash error
[speaker002:] you know, people didn't like him.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Because he tried to say,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] turn off the lights [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Yeah, right,
[speaker002:] conserve this, do that.
[speaker001:] do those little things, yeah,
[speaker002:] And, and, uh,
[speaker001:] that make a lot of difference, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the pe-, I, nobody wanted to hear it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, it's, I, you know, and,
[speaker002:] It's,
[speaker001:] I think you're right, though. I think that it has to really hit home before,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the message sometimes. Or you have to grow up with it being im-, important in your life,
[speaker002:] [Faint] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] um, oh, oh, um, before the message really takes hold sometimes. And, um, I don't know, it's, uh [breathing], it's just really interesting to me how now more aware of things I am than I, even myself, than I used to be,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] a few years ago. I mean, like I, I'd go to the, um, to the U T D, um, cafeteria for lunch sometimes
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and they use styrofoam plates, when they wouldn't,
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] need to use styrofoam plates.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] You know, and I think to myself that's, that's crazy. I wonder if, you know, maybe I need to bring that to someone's attention, you know,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, and, uh, I'm seeing more and more of that, and, and I think it's, uh, just McDonald's effort to reduce the number of, of styrofoam, uh, boxes that they use,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] for hamburgers and stuff, I think is a good, good example, you know, that even,
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] industry is willing to do it.
[speaker002:] I, I think the big question too we're looking at is, would you be willing to pay more for a product,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so it can be recycled.
[speaker001:] Well, I think that may, that's kind of what it's coming to, I'm sure.
[speaker002:] That's, that's right and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh, do we have to wait until all the landfills,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] are full and there is nowhere else to put our garbage.
[speaker001:] That's right, yeah.
[speaker002:] Or, and I don't, with the mind set of the American public, I think what they will do is start paying Mexico
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] to take our trash. *slash error
[speaker001:] Wow. That doesn't,
[speaker002:] That isn't, that isn't harmful. *sv
[speaker001:] wouldn't surprise me. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Or they will go dump it out in the middle of some ocean.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Uh, *slash error
[speaker002:] That's the way we solve problems.
[speaker001:] I know it, and unfortunately.
[speaker002:] And it's sad. |
[speaker001:] well Lynn what do you think should elderly be cared for in the home or do you think they're always better off in a nursing home or are there any answers to something like that
[speaker002:] well there certainly are times when uh it's necessary I believe to place someone in a nursing home um that uh person just becomes too expensive and too um hard on the family to care for somebody within their home but uh I think everything possible should be done to uh keep someone at home before that happens
[speaker001:] yeah well my my mother who's seventy is has living with her my eighty nine year old grandmother
[speaker002:] oh my
[speaker001:] and oh they're doing fine so far
[speaker002:] oh thank goodness
[speaker001:] but uh
[speaker002:] does your mother have any help
[speaker001:] it no no and and my grandmother's pretty self-sufficient uh she did have a mini stroke recently which is left her just a tiny bit addled but I don't think she's any place close to needing a nursing home
[speaker002:] no I I think it's only when a person becomes uh my father had to be placed eventually in a nursing home he had uh Alzheimer's disease
[speaker001:] oh how sad
[speaker002:] yeah it's um and it was just impossible to care for him uh twenty four hours a day um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh and there weren't enough um resources I think in the community to help uh my mother care for him
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] which was really unfortunate
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] I think it it it the placement could have been delayed had there been um more resources in their community
[speaker001:] that must have been very difficult for her to make that decision
[speaker002:] oh it it was and uh I think she she was there every every day uh at noon and at night to make sure that he was fed and cared for in a proper way and it was exhausting
[speaker001:] I think one of the the toughest parts about the decision would be finding the home uh I know in Texas we hear so many of so many abuses in nursing homes that it's just I don't know where you'd start
[speaker002:] he well I think you know the first thing is just to look at lots of them and then it it does make a difference if there are regular visits by family um that uh the staff you know is aware that they can't be neglecting somebody if the family's there everyday
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um and I I must say I have some sympathy for the nursing home staff itself they you they are overworked
[speaker001:] oh yes and probably underpaid in a lot of cases I mean I think that's treated as pretty much unskilled labor
[speaker002:] uh certainly yes it's doesn't have um uh it's not compensated adequately and the um and there's certainly no prestige attached to uh um you know it's sort of a yeah it's it's it's a sad situation
[speaker001:] yeah I wonder if the church run nursing homes in general are better than the others
[speaker002:] I think any uh nonprofit facility is probably better run than uh those institutions that are strictly for profit uh so that means often that they are church run
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but um
[speaker001:] my late in-laws lived at Leisure World uh for a number of years but I actually they moved away from there with a daughter before they needed the final care I guess it had graduated levels of care or something in that facility I don't know if you're familiar with that or not it's in Southern California
[speaker002:] oh yeah actually I um my my work is to advise families in finding care for their elders and sometimes that means getting in all kinds of community resources to the home whether it's Meals-on-Wheels or uh home help aids or whatever but when somebody is looking for care I recommend that they look for something that's uh has more than one level
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that it's not just an independent living facility |
[speaker001:] I guess I'll give my opinions here first okay uh in terms of taxes here I guess uh I feel like we are paying an awful lot of them uh and getting apparently very little for it
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] uh especially since uh the things that I think that our taxes are going for are I I guess in my opinion not the uh appropriate necessarily appropriate things
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I think that uh uh we should be emphasizing uh things like more like education and less on on programs which are permanent black holes which will never do anything but continue to be uh uh sponges for money
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I mean we need to do uh programs which are more on the concept of uh well like one of the concepts they had before was trying to renovate the housing but uh then turning the housing over that now see I I agreed with that one and I'm not very often into those kind of those kind of programs but that one made sense help these people to fix their houses to improve their their environment I mean uh uh projects projects were the most idiotic concept in the world
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you had they had no sense of ownership no sense of responsibility
[speaker002:] like a warehouse almost
[speaker001:] it well it was like it's just a place for you to stay and you had no uh feeling of of responsibility ownership concern uh in fact it was insulting it was it was almost insulting it was embarrassing it was so embarrassing
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that I you know I I I I don't know exactly what the motivations were but basically they were destroyed they were they uh you know people would strew feces across the uh uh rooms you know just incredible the abuses that occured it was obviously a failed concept okay so yes I think we do have problems with taxes
[speaker002:] um-hum well uh-huh well the uh unfortunate truth is that no matter what sort of a program or whatever that uh gets put out there and made available by the taxpayers' money
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] there is going to be someone who will abuse it they will find a way people are very creative especially those that are on the public dole and want to be there uh they can be very creative in their in their abuses and not surprisingly some of the worst offenders are the people who are inside the system and are in a position to know exactly where the red flags would be what they can get away with uh I happen to work for an assemblyman at one time and I saw abuse of power there uh really subtle
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but it was still there okay uh the man was not a millionaire uh however he could have never gone to work again and lived comfortably
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh he owned a lot of low income housing for which he got considerable government aid
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] refurbish it and
[speaker001:] and it was all legal
[speaker002:] oh sure
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and oh doing a public service and like like I say you're right in that we're paying an awful lot well not really comparatively to
[speaker001:] right other countries
[speaker002:] uh other countries especially European countries they pay a larger percentage than we do but the things that they get in return are more tangible
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] to the common person national health care uh education systems that you know that's one of mine own pet peeves is how can how can our teachers be so damn efficient
[speaker001:] well if it's nothing okay
[speaker002:] that they can teach our students in a hundred and eighty days what it takes Europe two hundred and forty days to teach you know how can they be that good come on come on
[speaker001:] right well I uh then what it really comes down to the fact that uh uh we don't have enough balls to actually make these programs work
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh well part part of the symptom symptom of a democratic system system is that it it kind of uh freezes itself up you very seldom able able able able to do anything that's strong on either side whether it be left or right
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I mean I mean sometimes I say you know even though I tend to go with the with the conservative line I sit there and I say you know at least if we did something it would be better than what we do now
[speaker002:] oh yeah um who it was Ross Perot was speaking in front of the National Press Club and he was talking about how people in the government say well you know we've got a hundred and eighty billion dollars in fraud and mismanagement okay
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] a hundred eighty billion dollars a year just sort of going out of window and why don't they do anything to stop it well it'd cost a billion dollars to track all the fraud and mismanagement well guess what I think that's a really good return on investment don't you
[speaker001:] right yeah oh yeah
[speaker002:] a billion versus a hundred and eighty billion |
[speaker001:] And I guess, the suggestion is that we maybe talk about a menu for a dinner party, if we wanted to do something like that or,
[speaker002:] Yes, uh-huh. sure.
[speaker001:] share recipes or something, um.
[speaker002:] Right,
[speaker001:] Are you one who gives dinner parties very often?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] No, nor am I.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I avoid them with all [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] They are a lot of work, that is for sure.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they are, I mean I do them,
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] but they are a lot of work.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I usually have them when I, [sigh] there is a special event in our lives and I,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I make a big deal out of it for them.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I think I am most, uh, happiest with my most,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] familiar foods that I know are successful.
[speaker001:] Right, yes.
[speaker002:] You know, and I have, I make my own pies and pie crust and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, I can make my pies from scratch, I do not need a recipe to follow. And, uh,
[speaker001:] Oh, that's great. You sound like my mother who has been, well I bake pies too, but my mother was always the famous pie baker in the family and [sigh] she has the same, the same technique, I mean, I guess after many years of doing it, you just,
[speaker002:] Yeah, you just know from heart.
[speaker001:] kind of do it second nature.
[speaker002:] I had one of the ladies at church that tasted my coconut cream pie and she said make me one, and I made her one.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] And when I, when she gave me back the plate, she said "I did not share this with anybody". [LAUGHTER] And I thought whoa, [LAUGHTER] that was a big pie.
[speaker001:] She enjoyed it, huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yes [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, there is a woman in our choir, who is nearly famous for her apple pies,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, we had a, a, [throat clearing] an auction one time at the church [throat clearing] excuse me, and, uh, one of her pies was auctioned for fifty dollars [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] My word,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] she must have a great pie recipe then.
[speaker001:] Well, I think I, I have had it once and it has been a few years ago, but I do recall that it was quite good, so, uh,
[speaker002:] Wonderful.
[speaker001:] Yeah. So, that is her specialty, uh, I like to bake, uh, also, I do not bake so much now that my children are grown, but I do enjoy baking and I guess I always liked making, uh, cookies and bars and things like that, that was more my specialty,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I suppose. And they seem to last longer than pies around here [LAUGHTER] pies would go practically,
[speaker002:] Yeah you,
[speaker001:] in a day's time [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's right, yeah they are meant for the, that evening's,
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] dessert and, you know, it has got to be gone or daddy gets into the, you know, the leftovers.
[speaker001:] Right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Puts about two more inches on his waistline and then he is [LAUGHTER] chastising,
[speaker001:] And,
[speaker002:] himself afterward [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, it is interesting that, yesterday, I had lunch with a friend and she was telling me that she had a dinner party over the weekend,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] for friends of hers. For, um, uh, one of her acquaintances, one of her old friends, I guess, had been in town and, uh, they invited two other couples over and so there were seven of them that, uh, I said "well, what did you have" and she said what she had, uh, just Mexican food, but, you know, she had, uh, uh, guacamole and, uh, I cannot remember all she had. But she also had made, uh, flan, which is actually Spanish, I think. Have you ever made that or had it?
[speaker002:] No, I have not, huh-uh.
[speaker001:] It's, uh, it's, um, I had, used to work with a gentleman who was from Cuba, who would make it,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, it's just a wonderful dessert. It's like, uh, an egg custard in a caramelized sugar,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] with on top of it. And it's, it's quite, actually, not very difficult to make, but it's very, very high in cholesterol, I am sure with all the eggs that are in it.
[speaker002:] Sure, yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, she said that she and her husband had, uh, traveled in Spain a couple years ago. And, and flan is almost, uh, a basic with every meal that you get,
[speaker002:] Like apple pie in America, right.
[speaker001:] there. Yeah, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Wow, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's just very customary to get flan. So if you ever run into that [LAUGHTER] you will sort,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] of be aware of what that is all about. But, uh, I would never have thought of making that as part of a, a Mexican dinner, but, you know, sopapillas, I guess, would be another kind of a dessert, if you decided to do something like that. But [throat clearing],
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] flan is something you can,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] make ahead and have just, you know, have ready but, uh. Well, I would, have been thinking I would like to have a dinner party sometime soon, but I tell you it, th-, I my it's one of those things where it does require some real, uh, planning and,
[speaker002:] Yes, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] it's, you know, you don't just make the dinner, you have the house to clean and, you know, the whole business that goes with it.
[speaker002:] Well, when I have a dinner party that is my motivation for getting the,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] house clean [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Probably a good way to do it. [LAUGHTER] Oh, the house needs cleaning, I guess I had better have a dinner party [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, we are catering a wedding, uh, um, in August and,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] uh, this lady that is, it at, it's at her house, she is not a good housekeeper.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So she has got to hire this crew,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] of four women to come in two weeks prior to the wedding and get it ready.
[speaker001:] Good heavens [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yes,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and there, you know, she is, she must have found some jewels,
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] because they start in the corner and work out.
[speaker001:] Oh, wow.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so,
[speaker001:] That is such a nice thing, it's,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [Sigh] I, you know, until, well we have, my husband and I have been married twenty six years, and until last year I had never had another person clean my house, {C and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] then } I got so involved and so busy, I said "this is one luxury I am going to let myself have every now and then". And so, I had a woman come in, uh, once a month, and you know, it was not just very often, but for me it was wonderful [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Sure, yeah that is nice, you know, to have that, that's a,
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] luxury, today.
[speaker001:] it is, and it is buys you time to do other things, like have a dinner party, I guess.
[speaker002:] That's right, yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] So, it is just a real gift of time as far as I am concerned,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, [sigh] well, uh, I,
[speaker002:] I, I have a pie crust recipe that I, that is unique,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that has vinegar and egg in it,
[speaker001:] I have heard about that.
[speaker002:] Have you?
[speaker001:] but I have never tried it.
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] No, well I should say I have heard of one that has vinegar in it, I do not know that it has egg in it.
[speaker002:] Egg and sugar.
[speaker001:] uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Do you have it right on the top of you head? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh, I, no, I think it would be too hazy, because, um, the, I, uh, no.
[speaker001:] You do not have it, yeah. I would,
[speaker002:] Well, it, like the liquid is like,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] a half cup of water and then your egg and then your tablespoon of vinegar,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] and you mix that together and then you, [sigh] you know, your, see it makes, it makes, uh, five pie crusts at once.
[speaker001:] Uh, quite large, yeah.
[speaker002:] So, that, it's quite a volume of,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I think it's four cups of floor,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, like, uh, a tablespoon of salt and a tablespoon of sugar and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and you combine your dry ingredients and then you, uh, put in your liquid.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Uh, what is it about the, uh, the vinegar that, uh, makes,
[speaker002:] It just,
[speaker001:] the crust better.
[speaker002:] it just makes it very pliable and,
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] and very flaky,
[speaker001:] Interesting.
[speaker002:] and, [sigh] you can really treat it rough and you are still going to have a flaky pie crust.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, boy, that, that's the real secret.
[speaker002:] Like, uh, it's not mine, it was from the, one of the magazines, probably, [sigh] twenty years ago and it said you can throw this on the floor and step on it and,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] it will still be flaky. I thought, wow, quite a statement for them to make.
[speaker001:] Oh, th-, it makes me think of years ago, uh, when I was visiting my mother-in-law in, uh, Michigan, she lived very near an apple orchard and we just had, we could take as many apples as we wanted from it. Accor-, you know, according to the owners, and so [sigh] I decided to bake about four pies ahead, you know,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and freeze them,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] well, talk about working with big amounts of pie crust, and having it be tough. [LAUGHTER] Those were the toughest apple crust, or apple, uh, pie crust,
[speaker002:] Oh, wow.
[speaker001:] I have ever, ever made.
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] It was terrible. I, I could have used that recipe, it sounds like.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well, I am from Michigan.
[speaker001:] Where about?
[speaker002:] Detroit, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Well, we lived in Plymouth for four years, uh,
[speaker002:] Oh yeah, that's real close.
[speaker001:] Yeah. In fact, I, we were there from, uh, seventy three to seventy seven and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I was, I worked for the little, the weekly newspaper there, the,
[speaker002:] Oh, how neat.
[speaker001:] the Plymouth, {F oh what was it called, } CRIER. [sigh] And, uh, my husband is from the upper peninsula, so he was born and,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] raised up there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] That is where my mother-in-law still lives, so, uh. Are you originally from Michigan or,
[speaker002:] Oh, yes.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Born in Detroit.
[speaker001:] I will be darn. |
[speaker001:] all right uh I I would like to talk about just briefly what happened over there in Saudi Arabia in the political context I think it's uh refreshing to see the uh the support that the President got from the American people
[speaker002:] yeah it we I I read an interesting article in the paper that discussed uh that uh seemed that every other time a President tried to get support for an action like uh uh President Carter and his thing with the the hostage crisis and he always did it through rhetoric
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] and this time President Bush did it through action and he he drove policy
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] by the course he took and almost forced public support or uh I mean he left almost no alternative
[speaker001:] yes that's right
[speaker002:] and and it was very interesting how he did it and uh I mean I'm I'm an Air Force officer so it uh it was interesting for me uh you know I'd certainly
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] uh I I mean I think it's great that all the support I have uh friends of mine from the Air Force I'm I'm an engineer and work in the Rolm Laboratory but other engineers guys here on base this is a B fifty two base where I work so
[speaker001:] right yeah
[speaker002:] we had about a thousand people gone from the base that went over there and they're getting a tremendous amount of support out of it
[speaker001:] that's great um if if you remember the vote in the Congress to authorize war if necessary was actually pretty close
[speaker002:] yes it was
[speaker001:] and if if my memory serves me right I believe a majority of Democrats may even have opposed it
[speaker002:] yeah I'm I don't know the exact figure but I I would imagine that because of the
[speaker001:] it it was
[speaker002:] how close the the vote was I'm uh I mean almost certainly would have to be Just based on the sheer numbers of uh the disparity of excuse me Democrats and Republicans in Congress he'd think that it would have to have been
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] um and uh I I gosh this uh this whole thing now with all the uh all the political cartoons on the Democrats and how they're
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] uh uh they're in in a sad way for ninety two now in terms of the presidential election anyway
[speaker001:] especially the ones that came out and said oh come on guys let's talk about this little while longer
[speaker002:] but yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I mean how many years are we going to wait and what what do you do with the people that are over there in the mean time
[speaker002:] right right I think that was all those factors played a part in you know uh the everyone was
[speaker001:] no doubt
[speaker002:] discussing whether we should uh wait longer but I I I know that there's a lot of reasons to wait longer but I think we were genuinely concerned about how their military capability and we uh I think we over estimated it but still we were really
[speaker001:] I think so too
[speaker002:] highly concerned about it and that we were worried that they were getting dug in and uh
[speaker001:] well they were and in fact they were so well dug in that uh when we sent our tanks around behind them they couldn't get turned around in time
[speaker002:] yeah right they couldn't yeah they couldn't yeah it's true they Saddam thought he had the whole thing uh figured out to to which way we were coming and which what what our doctrine was that uh
[speaker001:] well had had we done a frontal assault it probably would have worked more to his favor
[speaker002:] that's right that's true that's interesting I think uh this political situation over there now is uh uh it'll be interesting to see what comes out of it whether the this opposition will uh uh today the Turks uh agreed to support the Kurds which is something they've never done before and uh
[speaker001:] hum interesting
[speaker002:] and uh this and the Israelis uh and not the Israelis but the Arabs all of a sudden are uh are cheering for Baker on his drive for to reconcile relations with the Israelis so it's like
[speaker001:] well Baker is is really not very much pro Israel
[speaker002:] yeah I
[speaker001:] and did you know John Sununu is uh half Arab
[speaker002:] no uh I I think I did hear that at one time a long time ago because I used to live in uh Massachusetts but uh
[speaker001:] yeah right in fact when he was Governor of New Hampshire I believe okay
[speaker002:] yeah New Hampshire
[speaker001:] I believe he was the only one of fifty governors that voted against some kind of resolution of support for Israel a few years back
[speaker002:] oh my gosh
[speaker001:] and uh now he is a conservative but he is not a conservative that favors Israel and that that concerns me greatly
[speaker002:] uh well I don't yeah I'd certainly uh support Israel in in their their policy that in defending themselves and in uh in their handling of their foreign policy I think I think the stand they have or or the way the command respect I I support that I think that is a a positive thing for them after um uh thousands of years they have to uh they had I think they in when they became became a country they more than or more or less decided they weren't going to take it anymore and uh
[speaker001:] well they didn't have much choice they could either fight or die
[speaker002:] yeah exactly exactly and uh um so gee I lost my train of thought here but uh um so okay so I can't say whether that that I'm pro Israel or anti Israel I mean I'd like to see them resolve something in that situation and get some stability in the region and looks uh that the joining of forces for this uh uh Desert Shield and Desert Storm thing ended up being a positive thing
[speaker001:] it is a positive thing um however uh every time an organization such as the PLO says well we'll see if we can work with Israel then uh they get embarrassed some every few months by documents that reveal that their ultimate purpose is to totally eliminate them
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and so you you basically have uh mutually exclusive interests either Israel is going to occupy the area or the Arabs are going to occupy the area and I'm just not sure that that there's going to be any easy permanent solution
[speaker002:] yeah somebody's going to and I think that's the problem the P L O has is that when they whenever one group of them decides that they're going to negotiate or they're going to do something they're going to try to make some peace but uh the end result is that they there so many factions of them and uh some more violent than others some with a certain agenda different than the others or they split they end up being becoming divisive themselves
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] uh I it's interesting I I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what happens over there in the next couple of months but uh that's
[speaker001:] it is yeah I I commend Israel for their restraint in not responding to the Scud attacks
[speaker002:] yeah I know that that is almost I mean that's absolutely unprecedented that was an an incredible foreign policy
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] coup on the part of the President and the State Departme nt and that I mean that's never happened before
[speaker001:] exactly exactly no
[speaker002:] and I don't know if it will e ver happen again but
[speaker001:] may not well it's been fun I enjoyed enjoyed talking with you
[speaker002:] yeah okay uh I guess uh well maybe the computer will pair us up together another time
[speaker001:] you never know
[speaker002:] all right bye bye
[speaker001:] bye bye |
[speaker002:] well we're gonna be talking about vacations I guess huh where have you been recently
[speaker001:] right right I have been well I go quite a bit I travel about forty percent of my time but my vacations my favorite spot is Las Vegas yeah
[speaker002:] Las Vegas well my dad goes there but I am not a betting man I've been there one time and I'll be honest I did not enjoy it no no
[speaker001:] really I are there any particular reason you're not into gambling or
[speaker002:] I I guess just because I'm not that type of a person I'm I'm a CPA and I I'm very conservative with my money and I just did to me that was not a vacation
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] uh I now I'm a big world traveler I enjoy traveling the world I just got back from Hawaii uh this past July uh the prior year before that I'd been to uh Tokyo Disneyland uh I've been I've got a trip coming up next year I'm going to the EuroDisney
[speaker001:] oh really in France
[speaker002:] uh that's gonna be in Paris France we're going there in July
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh
[speaker002:] and at the same time we're also gonna go visit Norway I've always wanted to go see the Fjords of Norway I just love have have have you ever been on a cruise to um Alaska
[speaker001:] um-hum no uh my in-laws have and I I stay stay steer away from boats as much as possible only because I can't take it
[speaker002:] okay well I tell you what if I possibly can uh there's a spot that I would love to encourage you to go visit
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] my father same way he had absolutely no desire to be around a boat he says man I get seasick I don't like it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the thing that is so wonderful about the Alaskan cruise it is on what they call the inside passage
[speaker001:] right right exactly
[speaker002:] you're not in the ocean you are in a river almost
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] only only the only thing you have are cliffs on the left and cliffs on the right side and we're talking about five hundred foot thousand foot cliffs absolutely gorgeous and
[speaker001:] I yes everything I see that they brought back it I I definitely agree
[speaker002:] and and and and every yeah and every thirty yards here comes another uh waterfall which is nothing more than the melting snow
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that's just more glorious than the last one it is absolutely fantastic and with those cliffs the sunsets are just oh my goodness uh for me and my wife it was probably the most romantic one week trip I have ever ever taken
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] and the food the food on we were on uh Princess Cruise Lines and the food was just out of this world
[speaker001:] oh yes yes I it's it cruises from what I understand are are really the way to go and someday someday I will convince my or convince myself that I can handle it and I will surprise my wife and and book a cruise uh I much definitely prefer warmer climates than Alaska so I would probably head for the Caribbean
[speaker002:] well if that be the case I was gonna say you can go to the Caribbean but the now the problem with the Caribbean though now you've got the ocean and I've been to the Caribbean three times now you got the ocean and if you have a motion sickness problem now they have these little patches you can put behind your ear
[speaker001:] um-hum I've used those right
[speaker002:] uh you'd wanna use those but the same time though you you're not going to get as pleasant of a ride as you would on that Alaskan cruise
[speaker001:] um-hum interesting interesting I never I really never thought of that that's pretty good to know
[speaker002:] uh but and and and there there are parts especially when you get close to Cuba there are the water can get very very rough
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] really can but uh otherwise as far as vacation I've I've course I see I guess I like the cold weather I I've been up to New England and I thought that was fantastic
[speaker001:] yeah and this is one spot you know being in Ohio the New England states are not that far uh that is one thing that really has not interested us we do like the Virginias the Carolinas Carolina
[speaker002:] um now oh have you have you been on the Blue Ridge Parkway oh wow now that's fantastic
[speaker001:] oh yes several times yeah and uh we next week we're leaving for New Orleans and I'm I I do prefer the warmer the warmer
[speaker002:] see I'm a Louisiana boy so I know where you're talking about there
[speaker001:] um-hum but uh and I loved Hawaii
[speaker002:] yes now that was my first trip I've ever been to Hawaii yes
[speaker001:] uh we had bought really it it's it's uh it's just beautiful I just I would be very happy staying in Hawaii and becoming a beachcomber when I retire which isn't too far off which is something I might wanna consider but uh
[speaker002:] well stay away from the Texas coastlines Texas doesn't have anything for you
[speaker001:] I you know I've I've been tempted I've gotten down as far as San Antonio but I've never gone down to uh really to the coastline
[speaker002:] yeah the the coastline yeah the coastline here is the pits uh there's there's much better in Florida much much better uh other places Hawaii was wonderful that was great
[speaker001:] yeah so uh-huh I love it yes I that
[speaker002:] uh I thought Waikiki Beach was as nice of a of a beach as I ever wanna see and we went to four different islands we had a great time
[speaker001:] um-hum yes it is and you have to do that uh people that go and they only go to one area you have to see it all
[speaker002:] well tell you what I've got a I've got a phone ringing on the other line I better go answer it I've enjoyed talking to you though catch you later bye-bye
[speaker001:] yes very good well it's nice talking to you okay um-hum bye-bye |
[speaker001:] hi this is Judy I'm from Maryland and I'm in California visiting right now
[speaker002:] hi Judy this is Norma and I live in Virginia
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] we got a great topic
[speaker001:] I know I'm sitting here going oh dear should we give it a try
[speaker002:] I guess we might as well
[speaker001:] okay okay
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] well um so so so what changes have you seen
[speaker002:] let you start what changes uh I guess the biggest I don't know your age Judy but I in my lifetime the biggest is in more women working definitely
[speaker001:] well actually that's what I was thinking too
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and um you know just to jump ahead a little bit but then we can back up is it perhaps women in politics is for the future
[speaker002:] for the future right yeah
[speaker001:] because I don't see that really yet in positions of power really
[speaker002:] right I don't see them in positions in power in corporations either not many
[speaker001:] ah that's true that's true um do you work in private corporation or government
[speaker002:] I did work in government
[speaker001:] ah
[speaker002:] and before that I worked in a bank for eight years
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and now I'm retired
[speaker001:] oh are you that's the best status yes um I don't I see um in
[speaker002:] that's right which do you work in excuse me
[speaker001:] a government
[speaker002:] in government
[speaker001:] and I work in academia before
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and um actually there's one um woman in our I don't know what you'd call it uh institute who is a manager and I mean in a sense perhaps um a lot of she gets protected a lot because uh it's almost like a token
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and and it's sort of unfortunate because I think that they don't accept her technically and but she's a good paper pusher
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it's in a technical position really and you know she should be more technical for what she does
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I think that's sort of unfortunate because it doesn't it doesn't really help the cause in the long run
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um but um you know I don't know and and teaching I still see that that's where most of the women are
[speaker002:] in teaching
[speaker001:] in teaching and you know and it's always been that way
[speaker002:] but not at the college level
[speaker001:] right not well
[speaker002:] we live in a college town and I worked at the university for a while and there are there are woman there but they're not the high paid
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum not department chairmen
[speaker002:] professors that the men are
[speaker001:] yeah not the deans and things like that
[speaker002:] well they did have one woman dean but and I guess she she probably did very well but that's the minority
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum hum and do you think it's because women aren't qualified or or just don't or don't want the job or just aren't hired for the jobs
[speaker002:] none of the above I think they are extremely well qualified
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh I don't know how
[speaker001:] they're just not selected somehow
[speaker002:] I think they're not selected
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and course at this university uh this it's a big engineering school
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I don't think there are many women in the engineering college
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and that's where the high pay is
[speaker001:] oh okay but I'm wondering how many women actually major in engineering actually but you know I say that but yet I know two
[speaker002:] quite an well I think there are more than there used to be
[speaker001:] yeah I'm sure there are yeah
[speaker002:] but they may not go into teaching
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I mean the two that I know obviously are not in teaching but um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it's it I suppose in a since I was surprised when they told me they majored majored in engineering I don't know why I but I don't know that many men that have majored in engineering either
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I mean it's just because I'm in the humanities it's just
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know it's not not something that I tend to hear about
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] but um yeah it's uh
[speaker002:] well I met one one day that uh had just joined the faculty in agricultural engineering and that really surprised me
[speaker001:] oh that's interesting
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I mean I I suppose that that it's difficult to really say why because you know there there probably are a limited number of women who are interested in the subject and well qualified
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and maybe there aren't you know maybe they don't apply for the job
[speaker002:] I don't know I don't I don't know how many go on and get a PhD in engineering
[speaker001:] right right which could be you know partial partially cultural anyway
[speaker002:] that could be that's true
[speaker001:] so that it might be circularly being the same problem of of expecting not to get hired for the good jobs anyway so why spend your time getting qualified
[speaker002:] uh-huh that's right
[speaker001:] it's a it's a rough it's a rough a rough situation um and I guess what I what amazes amazes me is the number of men who are willing to stay home with the kids or and in our case we actually have one father who works part-time a six hour day so that he can take the kids
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] kids or kid I'm not sure to school in the morning and be home
[speaker002:] that's interesting
[speaker001:] when the children or child comes home in the afternoon
[speaker002:] is it uh was she the major wage earner I mean did she earn more money that he did or do you know
[speaker001:] th is is uh well see I don't know anything about the family but but yeah I would imagine she might um because he's you you know he's a really nice guy but he did say that because he was in the humanities and he's now working in more of a technical situation that he had trouble finding a job
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] so that maybe he you know maybe she was more qualified but still but still it's interesting that you know he he's been doing this evidently for a a good number of years
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and but it's unusual
[speaker002:] I I know one uh gal that's she's a CPA and her husband is a house husband
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I
[speaker002:] and then they had a child and he he still was the house husband he's the one that was going to
[speaker001:] oh he was even before they had children
[speaker002:] uh-huh even before that right
[speaker001:] oh now that that really is
[speaker002:] she was a little perturbed about it at one time I don't know how she's moved away I don't know how it is now but I know uh
[speaker001:] oh she was uh-huh
[speaker002:] we're we all went out one evening and after work and uh she was there was an underlying note that she was perturbed about it
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I mean I think that would be it would it would strike one as strange if there's no reason for
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] somebody to stay home that
[speaker002:] I don't think there was a valid reason because her statement was
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] I told him let's face it you're a house husband that's what your going that's what you'll always be
[speaker001:] but but yet you know we have to think about that because if if she had opted to stay home we wouldn't have thought anything strange
[speaker002:] she wouldn't have been that's right uh-huh that's right it would
[speaker001:] so so we're carrying our own prejudice
[speaker002:] it wouldn't have been a downer uh-huh that's true
[speaker001:] yeah oh gee I guess we can't win
[speaker002:] huh-uh oh
[speaker001:] because yeah if if somebody does it and breaks tradition you're surprised but
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] oh dear so so
[speaker002:] I think maybe more men would like to be if they weren't put down so badly
[speaker001:] if they could get away with it oh dear you know well I mean it it's an interesting topic yet I must say it's not one that I've given a great deal of of thought to but um
[speaker002:] huh-uh no I don't
[speaker001:] in the past it's um one of those things that you know seems to happen
[speaker002:] how do you feel your career has gone
[speaker001:] I don't I don't feel for the most part that I've been discriminated against
[speaker002:] you don't that's good
[speaker001:] no I was a department chairman I don't but I don't like administration
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] so then I'm uh uh probably a poor example although you know I was an administrator and could still be I suppose
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh I was discriminated against very definitely in banking
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it was terrible
[speaker001:] oh really you were you were more ambitious than they would let you be
[speaker002:] right and the money didn't go with the positions
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well I would
[speaker002:] the promotion promotions came but there were there wasn't comparable pay for the responsibility and I was told you don't need as much pay as I have because your children are older than my children or your husband has a good job and
[speaker001:] uh oh jeez yeah actually in a since I suppose when I was hired into the government um at I was taken advantage of and and that's true that you know sometimes other people get get higher increments
[speaker002:] I think uh-huh
[speaker001:] for you know even
[speaker002:] I think we are programmed to just take it as it comes
[speaker001:] right right that's probably true I hadn't I hadn't thought about it because I do like what I do and I just sort of ignore the administrative part of it since I didn't like it when when I had to do it
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I I figure you know nobody must uh nobody must like it it must be a rotten job for everybody but I know some people thrive on it
[speaker002:] oh gee
[speaker001:] well since I don't have a whole lot more to say on the topic
[speaker002:] I don't |
[speaker001:] uh so what do you like best about golf
[speaker002:] I like to watch golf my husband plays golf and I've I've really become fairly acquainted with the game it's pretty interesting to watch I think my favorite part of the game is the putting part
[speaker001:] really really
[speaker002:] uh-huh do you play
[speaker001:] yeah I play uh I play probably four or five times a week my my wife and kids
[speaker002:] oh my
[speaker001:] don't like it too much but
[speaker002:] well I've already
[speaker001:] it's such a great game I I I play three you know thirty six holes after work
[speaker002:] good heavens
[speaker001:] and then uh
[speaker002:] it must stay light out there pretty well
[speaker001:] yeah it does in the summertime in the winter it's too you know but uh you know I go to the indoor driving range all all winter and uh
[speaker002:] in the summer well yeah in the summer uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh I practice putting and it's it's a fun game
[speaker002:] there's a place here in Dallas it's called Dave and Buster's
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] and they have a laser well it's like lasers golf game where there's three beams and you take your clubs and you hit the ball and they give you a screen of what you would be seeing from where you lie
[speaker001:] that sounds great
[speaker002:] it's really a lot of fun and it's it's fairly comparable to some of the nicer golf courses around here the nicer public courses the price of it is if you're ever in Dallas you'd have to go to Dave and Buster's
[speaker001:] well I have to do that because I love golf and
[speaker002:] it is a very fine game I think it teaches a lot of good uh a lot of good uh attributes
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] to people
[speaker001:] Cathy is that your name Cathy um
[speaker002:] yeah you got it right
[speaker001:] do you do you uh do you have a favorite golfer
[speaker002:] do I have a favorite golfer
[speaker001:] professional golfer excuse me my wife is making fun of me
[speaker002:] oh talking about golf on the T I thing
[speaker001:] yeah she hates it when I you know she thinks it's funny that I got golf as a topic because you know she dislikes it so much so
[speaker002:] uh when you start up on golf well you probably picked it though on your list of of topics to speak about
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um I would say that my favorite golfer is Greg Norman
[speaker001:] Greg Norman why
[speaker002:] there's just something about the way he plays golf he just approaches the ball so confidently and the way he hits he's just really he's got kind of a funny swing but beyond that he's really he seems a very confident player and he does he does play fairly well what about yourself
[speaker001:] are you sure you're not attracted to him or anything
[speaker002:] well that may be too he's he's not the most attractive guy on the on the tour I'll say that but uh I guess after watching for so long for so long I've been I've been watching and hearing about golf from my husband for six years six and a half years or a little more
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and after a while you get to where yeah you start watching who plays well and who doesn't I think Tom Kite is another good player
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I like Tom he's good
[speaker002:] he's got a real ugly stance but
[speaker001:] yeah I'll agree with you there Cathy
[speaker002:] he does he he does play real well and he he seems to almost always win
[speaker001:] yeah he does
[speaker002:] so he's so that's got to say a lot for him right there that he just wins quite often what about yourself who is your favorite player
[speaker001:] uh I'd have to say uh I I still like the Golden Bear you know
[speaker002:] even on the even on the senior tour
[speaker001:] oh yeah I I like the senior tour I I think it's got more personality
[speaker002:] well yeah well the guys have
[speaker001:] you know and the names don't change every week you know
[speaker002:] the there's one thing that's true yeah you can always count on Lee and Chichi and Don January and
[speaker001:] so sure
[speaker002:] and uh oh yeah the Golden Bear out there hitting them up
[speaker001:] sure really
[speaker002:] putting them in
[speaker001:] my kids do you have kids Cathy
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I have a young boy
[speaker001:] I'm starting them off young I'm gonna get them oh you got a boy good
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh he already plays golf he's not eighteen months and he golfs around the house
[speaker001:] he does has he got a pretty good stance
[speaker002:] uh-huh no he's horrible but but he loves
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] to he's got a a set of three little plastic clubs and little plastic balls and he takes his club and he whacks the ball around the house and he whacks the cat and then he'll get a big play ball and bounce it around with his club
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] but he really enjoys taking them out and he likes to watch his daddy practice swing and putt around the house so
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] yeah I'm I'm already a golf widow and I don't mind it I mean I know where my husband is when he's out
[speaker001:] well that's true
[speaker002:] and he's in a very wholesome environment while he's out there so
[speaker001:] that's true he's out getting some sunshine anyway
[speaker002:] yeah it's |
[speaker001:] so I get most of my news I I am sorry to say from CNN Headline News so I'm not sure how remarkably well informed I am by their like three second sound bytes about everything but uh I'm a college student at this point and uh when I come in when I turn that on for half an hour I see what's going on and then I turn it off and so how do you get your news
[speaker002:] uh to tell you the truth I get most of my stuff uh news from printed media um news magazines like Time uh newspapers
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] I'll watch television at in the evening for local news but uh you know for national things I I tend to go more for printed media uh media because they they don't give you the three sound bytes the three seconds uh gee he looks good in a in a camera you know uh although I have to admit I'm dissatisfied with the
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] quality that you get in the newspapers it's unfortunate but
[speaker001:] which newspapers in particular like USA Today
[speaker002:] that's been well uh well let's see uh no no actually we're LA Times we also get the New York Times out here um
[speaker001:] oh um-hum
[speaker002:] and then of course there are lots of specialized publications for you know I work in engineering so you get engineering uh stuff uh what I found is that uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh you know you are subjected to censorship uh even though that's a bad word uh what happens is an editor has to decide what will fit in the newspaper and what gets dropped on the floor and that's censorship
[speaker001:] um-hum well that I think that comes about from the fact that that the the news gathering business is is just that a business
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] so they're going to tell you what sells and also although I don't believe this is really that rampant at now uh you know sponsors or or advertisers could have some influence as well over over what uh eventually gets printed
[speaker002:] I uh I I agree with that I've seen that in several uh computer magazines where you know if the guy buys six pages of of color ads then he gets a pretty good review in when they review products
[speaker001:] yeah and also I think you'll also notice if you ever do watch CNN Headline News that anytime Ted Turner does anything he shows up on there
[speaker002:] uh gets a favorable light cast on it
[speaker001:] yeah you you know what though uh I kind of wish that I would uh watch more local news because I end up uh sometimes missing things and hearing them secondhand just because I never do sit down to watch the real news
[speaker002:] well you know there's a big problem with the the local news is something we've noticed I mean out here in LA we get gang shootings you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and so what you can do is you turn on the local news and if it's a bad weekend the first fifteen minutes on a on a Sunday night or a Monday night will be how many people got shot and killed
[speaker001:] I think that's the way it usually is they they work from the you know the headline stories you know those ones basically people being killed and murdered and and suffering then they go into like
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know sports and weather then they end up on the really nice stuff so that you're not depressed by the time you're done watching the broadcast
[speaker002:] right a lot of a lot of times though there there isn't the really nice stuff
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] oh yeah the uh in in at least the the news stations that we watch here in LA and I mean you know it's it's uh uh maybe it's just because they're stuck with more bad news than good news
[speaker001:] um it's a possiblity
[speaker002:] uh but uh you know it's it's it's unfortunate but even even now I mean I used to live in Europe and we still get uh we lived in Germany and so we still get some German language magazines some
[speaker001:] where in Europe um-hum I get the
[speaker002:] okay we get
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh the thing is that you know that of course is slanted
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] from a German point of view and uh you know what you notice are the glaring differences between how America perceives some monumentous event in the world versus how the Germans perceive that same event
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and I mean it's uh you know the the difficulty is that okay they're it's a business over there like it is here they're slanting it toward their uh public and we're slanting it toward our public and you know the question is what's the real truth
[speaker001:] um-hum well I think that's uh it's kind of related to like who writes history because obviously the the news eventually does become history it's just always going to be someone's the prevailing opinion
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] well unless you have a particularly strong
[speaker002:] the winners
[speaker001:] disparity and there are two you know two competing views exist
[speaker002:] well it's also again um you know the the uh the the people who write the history it's their view and from wherever they happen to be I mean what we've noticed is that um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the the way the uh the Americans are handling Russia the Germans view that as a critical new market and the Americans are well you know the
[speaker001:] right apart from McDonald's
[speaker002:] well yeah yeah and the uh the thing is that the Americans are well we don't really don't want to get involved with that we don't want to help them they've got to learn to help themselves you know free market economy
[speaker001:] right |
[speaker001:] how do you get your news coverage
[speaker002:] well um most of what I do is um listen to the news in the morning when I'm heading to work um we get uh we have two different stations here that run uh National Public Radio and I really enjoy the format in the morning and the evening when I'm driving home from work so that's where I get most of my stuff uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh that's pretty nice
[speaker002:] yeah we we also subscribe to the newspaper of course so we get the Washington Post here and it's a pretty interesting newspaper
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] and uh so it's you know it's it's uh between the two I generally do okay every great once in a while I manage to uh listen to the evening news but not very often how about
[speaker001:] yeah that's just about all I get is the evening news and the and the newspaper sometimes I wish the evening news was like an hour long instead of thirty minutes
[speaker002:] yeah I don't blame you it's it's uh it's
[speaker001:] but that would be nice to have uh um you know all is it an all news uh radio station
[speaker002:] yeah and it actually well no I it's I guess what is it it's um it's kind of a talk radio station it's run by a university here called American University or at least that the the general program that I listen to National Public Radio itself is um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] a uh uh a syndicated thing that's run by a group that operates here in Washington uh but if you have any public radio stations in your area chances are pretty good
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] especially in Austin come to think of it uh that you're going to be able to get it down there uh
[speaker001:] I I guess I never I never really tried that it probably is on the AM I know it's not on FM
[speaker002:] yeah well I don't know whatever your you know it it the normally the public radio stations are gonna be down at the low end of the dial you know around eighty eight and uh and so forth and and uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] this uh the two radio stations that run here one is a classical station and the other I guess if you had to categorize it's kind of a bluegrass station or something um but uh yeah that that's I'm I'm dead certain some station in your area carries it because every once in a while they'll do little special features on Austin it's a real interesting radio program because they they don't just cover
[speaker001:] yeah well it's probably picking up um KLBJ that's a real famous
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um uh Lady Bird used to own it radio station here but um they're not so much news as they are um uh as far as musicians and and things going on around Austin
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um well that's very interesting well this comes on right in the evening as I'm driving home
[speaker001:] you know um-hum
[speaker002:] and um what they do is they they give you uh about a five to ten minute news uh broadcast and then for the rest of the half hour they usually divide it up into two or three segments where they they cover
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um topics either of current interest or every once in a while they'll just do kind of an indepth reporting on on some uh particular thing like yeah like perhaps for instance how a particular city is doing or something along those lines yeah it's uh
[speaker001:] some subject yeah well not bad that sounds pretty interesting
[speaker002:] yeah it's real good and it it it uh the other thing is is is my politics are kind of liberal and and um so they have a tendency being public radio to sort of take a look at things from the populist point of view as opposed to being terribly sympathetic to the government although the you you've got to give them credit they do a great job of showing both sides of the story
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh they aren't afraid to poke fun at themselves either which is something I really admire so if you watch the evening news which of the news commentators do you tend to like the most
[speaker001:] oh I guess Dan Rather I'll switch around I'm not really partial you know one like Monday I might have one and Tuesday I might have another one you know just to get a different view you know or just someone different but uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I'm the same way but the the evening news on TV it's it's really it's so short that you just uh I don't feel like you wind up getting enough and yet have you ever watched the uh McNeil Lehrer report on public TV
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] I sort of feel like that news program drags on too long
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it's a little draggy
[speaker002:] and uh with you know with their little round table discussions and all that sort of stuff and I must admit I I used to try to watch it used used to make me feel like oh well this is uh something I should be watching
[speaker001:] yeah until it gets a little boring though I know there is something better on
[speaker002:] you know yeah exactly and
[speaker001:] so it it's pretty nice in that the newspaper here it's it's it's only you only have one newspaper and um it's it's kind of biased
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but um it it's all right
[speaker002:] which way which which way does it lean is it conservative or
[speaker001:] yeah it's very conservative I would say it's very conservative but you know being it's only you you don't have one in the evening and you don't have a choice
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and you know I don't I don't like that but other I have uh uh small newspaper community um that's oh it's it's um uh just in this general area it serves maybe twenty thousand people and uh it's free and it's real nice
[speaker002:] um-hum oh wow
[speaker001:] yeah I really like it you yeah it it's like the small hometown newspaper you know you can put your kid's picture in there if they had a birthday or or something like that you know or some
[speaker002:] that's good yeah well that's interesting |
[speaker001:] okay what
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] opinion do you have about what was what happened
[speaker002:] well it's it's a real mixed um feeling about it uh it's really good that we did well and that uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we we went in and did what we set out to do I I have there's there's been like a lot of things said about if it was a political well if it was a war for oil or a a war for ideals and seems to be real mixed between those two things
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um I don't know I think the the the guy should have been ousted out of there and now we don't seem to be as interested in in doing what's right
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] as we were when we started the whole thing
[speaker001:] yeah see I feel like I don't know I feel like the motivation Bush is a member of the Trilateral Commission and he's a member he was a member of the Skull and Bones at I think at Princeton or Yale I'm not Yale
[speaker002:] Yale yeah
[speaker001:] and uh his motivations are I don't feel like he was absolutely on the up and up with us on you know the motivation the true motivation he talks a lot about the new world order
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and most Americans probably don't really know what that would mean and I maybe I'm being maybe I'm assuming too much no I don't think most would I really don't and so I feel like the real motivation was something that uh most people would have absolutely no idea and that that motivation is to um you know to establish a one world order and to break up the monopoly power of the Middle East will so that they will submit under the uh one world order I mean that's what I felt so I'm like going hum am I glad we went over there and did that um I think God's ultimately in charge and
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know I'm not afraid of what they've done I'm not afraid of Saddam Hussein I feel he's lost and you know he needs to get saved just like the everybody else but
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know I just I guess I have kind of like hum kind of real cautious in the whole thing because I know that there's a motive that hasn't been openly discussed or revealed to anybody and uh that's where that's why I really don't have a real
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] set opinion because I don't know everything I don't much you could watch news all the time but you don't know anything hardly and he did talk about that though he did uh at least he did mention it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know what I'm saying I don't think most people understand what he's talking about when he talks about that new world order so I don't know what do you think of that
[speaker002:] it's it's it's a whole monopoly that needs to be broken up that's for sure it doesn't it's they have far too much influence over there and they're so unstable that it makes it hard for um it it makes it hard for us to deal with them I have that same problem at work
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] our our plant is so unstable it makes it very difficult to laughter to plan ahead or or do anything that that's
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] productive
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and I can understand why he he felt he needed to go over there on the other hand it's too bad that he couldn't use this I I I know that oil's real important to our life style but it's too bad he couldn't use this as
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] a launch to say let's conserve more because he never said that
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] during the whole war he never put out like a conservation a conservation effort for oil
[speaker001:] um-hum but the motivation though see wasn't didn't have anything I don't believe it had anything to do with the oil because I think I I feel like the real the real motivation of the war was to break up that Arab power not to disperse the oil but to they were a big problem for the the unifying of the EEC the European Economic Community which are gonna become I I I mean they're gonna be
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] they're gonna put us under if we don't become part of the new world order next year the United States if we don't I mean we're going to be in big trouble because when Europe unites unites that's why TI's building plants in Italy because they're going to have power like we can't imagine
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and so the I think Bush wanted to break up this other power thing and it looks real good but in the end I just see that ultimately who's going to be in charge of this one world order you know what I mean is is George Bush really any better than Saddam Hussein or does he just look better do you know what I'm saying I mean I think one person
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] in power that's not really seeking God and wanting to do good for the people and not deal for selfish motives is very dangerous and I don't see that this one world this new world order that him and Gorbachev keep talking about I just don't see that um that's just a real good thing but I think it's something that's going to happen but I guess that's what I feel happen with the war and that was the motive of the war was to try and break that up and so that they could be you know get more power over that Arab lands when they try and next year really start pushing this new world order well he talks about it all the time I mean
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I mean that's all he talks about but anyway there's a good book by Larry Abraham um you probably have heard of None Dare Call It Treason and Call it Conspiracy
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] well anyway Call it Conspiracy is a real good book and he talks a lot about this I've heard him interviewed some so I think it's kind of interesting but anyway he probably has a new book out that I don't know about yet because I haven't heard him in a while but I don't know so that's kind of my thing on the war I'm kind of like nah it's all power plays you know there's so much stuff going on we don't know about
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's
[speaker001:] you know I'm like going hey Peter Jennings you know he knows a little bit but he doesn't even I mean we would all die if we knew what was really going on I mean all of America would probably go into coronary attack well they would
[speaker002:] yeah I know I agree
[speaker001:] oh my money's in the stock market oh I can't believe they're doing this but it doesn't change anything so I'm just like I don't know just I mean I would probably most people probably think I don't even have a high school education you know because of my attitude about it but I just feel like there's so much going on that you know hey I'm going to pray about it and if I feel led to vote for a certain person I'm going to do it but I'm not going to get all up tight about all this and stuff you know hum-um because I know at first we were watching the news a lot and man it was like gosh we were like all the time and I thought gee you know God's going to protect Israel I mean he starts
[speaker002:] well you can't yeah
[speaker001:] he starts nuking Israel man he's in big trouble I mean we'll just we'll hear about it you know what I mean if anything major happens we're going to find out so let's chill out and just do what we need to do so
[speaker002:] yeah that's where I got to too the first I got chills up and down when I heard the on the radio and the first time they started doing the bombing
[speaker001:] um-hum I know it was kind of exciting at first but and then I know the first night of the bombing we had it was a Wednesday and we had home church and we had a surprise birthday party planned for a sixteen year old
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] and so when we you know we're on the way to home church and the bombing's just begun you know and we go into this birthday party for a surprise party
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and so it was you know we just went from one extreme to the other you know and it was like kind of sad it was like man this is really hard you know I want to watch the war and so and so imagine the sixteen year old yep boy I had a surprise birthday party and a war started in Israel that'll be a good story when she's thirty won't it
[speaker002:] right it will be
[speaker001:] well well anyway well I guess do you think we're finished
[speaker002:] I guess so
[speaker001:] I think so too I don't know if we did what we were supposed to but yeah we did they can do a lot of research we get along good too some of the callers you don't along with that good you know you have you know what I'm saying
[speaker002:] yeah we talked yeah
[speaker001:] isn't that funny I bet they're going to do a lot of research on that
[speaker002:] oh yeah well yeah one one guy I talked to about about colleges he was very opinionated and
[speaker001:] I know uh-huh
[speaker002:] it was difficult
[speaker001:] really he probably had those glasses on like you know those Annie Hall kind of glasses I don't know what you call it John Lennon glasses that's what they are the women I call Annie Hall glasses but
[speaker002:] yeah real thick yeah
[speaker001:] is I don't know if they're Annie Hall glasses or not I just I don't know I always think of Annie Hall when I see them but
[speaker002:] yeah I think they're versions of that
[speaker001:] really I know the female version of John Lennon's but
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I know I talked to some guy who was I talked to some of the yuppie types you know and they're pretty interesting but yeah they're real opinionated but I guess that's better than nothing you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but anyway yeah it's been interesting though all these different people and some of them are real friendly you know and it's like yeah man when I come to Dallas I'll call you you know and then others of them are like they just wanna go but then some of them have babies crying in the background too so there may be other reason than you know that but well anyway are you in Dallas
[speaker002:] right yeah I'm in Dallas I didn't know that people from other parts of the country were doing this
[speaker001:] yeah I had a guy from Rhode Island that we talked about fishing so and uh oh I had some I've had people in Massachusetts and Vermont they work at TI up there do you work at TI
[speaker002:] no my husband does
[speaker001:] see mine does too in Dallas and um yeah but no there's there's TI's up in Rhode Island and stuff and that guy talked about fishing and I asked him if he took his wife and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and then he didn't have a wife and I felt bad but well I'm sorry and he goes we're divorced well I'm sorry it was real sad but he was pretty nice and stuff and then him and my husband started talking salary
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] how much do you make up in Rhode Island so I was just going wait a minute we're supposed to be talking about fishing now stop but yep anyway is that funny but we did talk about fishing though so but I guess I'll let you go I'm going to finish my dishes and if anything happens interesting in the war maybe they'll have another thing and we'll get you again all right bye
[speaker002:] okay all right thanks bye-bye |
[speaker001:] I guess we get started now
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know I you know I've always was interested in in woodworking I I watch a lot of the PBS stations where they have uh you know the woodworking
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh shows and that but I've never really done anything myself because I don't really have the tools for it
[speaker002:] is that right
[speaker001:] but uh someday when I can get up uh enough of the tools I I wanna try and make a lot of the stuff uh I got books on it and everything and it shows you step by step on how to do it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh
[speaker002:] yeah I've never made made much myself I guess uh do they count uh uh let's see I guess tree houses and things like that don't count as woodworking woodworking do they
[speaker001:] well I think anything from you know building a house uh to cabinetry would be woodworking I mean I I think that would be classified that you built a tree house pretty good
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah you know hold on a second you can't pull up hold on you can't pull up on it it will disconnect um yeah I've done tree houses and crafts you know craft type of things you know out of plywood and things of that so I have a a few saws I mean a few a few tools
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] that you need for that kind of stuff just not a not like for uh book shelves well I can make bookshelves too I guess nothing like for cabinets or tables or things like that you know you have to have special some special things for that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah but I mean I do household repairs I guess that counts as woodworking doesn't it
[speaker001:] yeah I think so I mean
[speaker002:] yeah uh
[speaker001:] you get skills in that and it helps you in almost anything you do so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah that's fine yeah I wanted a uh maybe I might try and uh even though I don't have too much tools but I don't think it takes too much to build a bookshelf I know I I need one so maybe
[speaker002:] yeah no it doesn't take too much for that my dad does a lot of woodworking I mean he makes like furniture
[speaker001:] yeah well it sounds like both our dads are good my dad made a a whole wall cabinet uh closet type thing uh and all he did was he hired someone once to build it and then he watched him and and he uh built it himself and he did
[speaker002:] yeah now what did he make a a cabinet
[speaker001:] yeah it's kind of a a a closet cabinet um built on a whole wall took up the whole wall and it's got uh the for hanging up shirts and pants area and drawers and all sorts of things in there it's pretty pretty yeah pretty fancy
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh takes up a whole wall huh yeah I've always wanted to make furniture and stuff but the uh the tools and uh you know after watching my dad do it but the tools have gotten me in uh seems like it very time consuming I've never never with all my kids I've never had much time for that for the time consuming things
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I know uh I know watching these programs with some of the fancy tools they have
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it it makes it so easy that I think almost anyone one could do it if they could afford the probably four or five thousand dollars for each item they got uh it just about everything it does um you know different things for for different cuts and that and uh I think it would make it so much easier but
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I think that'd be more for the professional if you're gonna do it as a business uh those types of tools are fine
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well my dad doesn't do it as business and he's and he's got thousands of dollars worth of we got disconnected we talked for a pretty good while it was here it was on this end here
[speaker001:] yeah yeah are we still I'm still here hello hello hey what happened what what do they do when you're done do they just disconnect you yeah well I just got disconnected that's it you hang I think it's he's got a kid there it must've been |
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] just just as I answered the phone there was there was a voice that came on the line and said you were suppose to you talk about capital punishment how does the law what how do the laws in the different states compare and to be restricted to certain crimes or certain circumstances or something like that
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] I honestly don't know what Illinois' position on capital punishment is do you know for Texas
[speaker001:] well I know we're kind of beefing it up now uh the past year or so the people that are on death row and have been for years and years and years they're beginning to go on and executed them now We have the uh lethal injections lethal injection
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh it's going to take at least all ready this year three have been put to death and I think at this point I am for that as long as you know they've had all the chances they need to have on appeals and this I don't see why they should have to and why we should have to support them for twenty or thirty years on death row that once they have been sentenced by a jury of their peers found guilty and then gone through the appeal bit then why continue
[speaker002:] yeah I I I strongly I strongly agree I think uh well in general I think we have we have a fairly lax legal system as far as protecting the criminal
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] and uh and I can see the the necessity of it but uh I don't know if someone's guilty and there's there's no question if if if there's is no question about it a lot of times you sentence someone to prison and there and there the jury finds them guilt then not in everyone's mind it's not actually settled
[speaker001:] right I can agree with that That it's
[speaker002:] so I can I can see letting uh letting for example the judge make the call or or maybe an appeals court make the call and on this it was this not just beyond a reasonable doubt but beyond any doubt
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and so under circumstances where it's you know where there is no question about it the person actually did kill somebody and in particularly particularly in some of the more brutal cases or prevalent where they've killed several people
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] yeah I I totally agree I I think it's kind of appalling that some one can commit murder and they know that they probably won't die for it
[speaker001:] yes Well I know of uh at least two this year that have been put to death have uh I mean they have already they had admitted to it They I mean there was no question and yes they had been going on fifteen to twenty years there on death row
[speaker002:] is that right
[speaker001:] and
[speaker002:] oh wow
[speaker001:] uh I think probably Texas is the most lax state there is on this That it just oh wow We do everything else fast
[speaker002:] baby that's that's probably why this was picked as one of the topics because Texas Instruments is in Texas and so
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it's in the news it's not really in the news much up here I guess it was the Dahlmer case
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that that was in the news everywhere
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] now where was that at
[speaker001:] uh I think that was in Houston
[speaker002:] so that was in Texas too
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's what I thought
[speaker001:] I believe so and uh I know we're going through a case right now that uh where parent's starved a child to death and uh I've heard you know people wondering whether you know should these people get the death penalty or not uh I I guess I would feel strongly about that when it involves a child especially they they tied this child
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] the police found the child tied and starved and uh there's no doubt a case like that there's no doubt in my mind that these people ought to get the death penalty that uh they did it they did it knowingly
[speaker002:] I guess that would be that would be the issue and they just tie the child and and were they were they punishing the kid and they don't realize that he was going to die or oh they did
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh oh they the were just punishing They didn't think far enough ahead I don't guess that you know that he would actually die or that they would get caught They had two of them
[speaker002:] well see that's I think I would think that differently they had two of them
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] two children two children
[speaker001:] two children One did not die
[speaker002:] one didn't huh yeah in that case he I think he could argue that I don't know if the parents were really intending to kill the kids
[speaker001:] well could be
[speaker002:] that would that would seem that would seem like that would that would I would have a harder time saying the death penalty was in order for that
[speaker001:] well I don't think I would but uh
[speaker002:] well no I I certainly think punishment is in order but the death penalty because that's I am not sure that is homicide because they didn't I I it it certainly wasn't intentional homicide
[speaker001:] uh-huh Well you may have a point there I it's just that I guess they have gotten so much publicity here but and I have read so much about it and
[speaker002:] yeah that's
[speaker001:] just
[speaker002:] that is that is a tough one
[speaker001:] but other than that uh you know I just |
[speaker001:] all right have you ever been to a family reunion
[speaker002:] I go to a family reunion every year religiously it's the well I come from Iowa
[speaker001:] oh wow tell me about that
[speaker002:] my mother was one of nine children in the family uh seven of those children are still living and uh the family has grown of course and we get uh about a hundred and fifty people a year
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] that show up at this family reunion I had come from a large like I say a large family I had forty four first cousins on my mother's side and we all know each other pretty well and and uh so it's a wonderful occasion when we get together and we don't see everybody each year but you know alternate years we get to see most everybody
[speaker001:] is uh so what makes the reunion a good reunion
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] what do they do I mean they can be real boring I've I've been to a couple as a kid
[speaker002:] well you have to go with the right spirit of course uh I think what makes our family reunions so good is that we there is so much love that is shared there uh
[speaker001:] okay so you must keep in touch with each other um other than at the reunion is that right
[speaker002:] well yeah many of us do actually uh I'm in my fifties now and my mother came from a generation where the only option was writing
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] postcards letters whatever
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh and she used to correspond with her sisters quite religiously and they with her so and of course that older generation still always sends all of us Christmas cards and it's wonderful you know
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's
[speaker002:] so uh but it it ours is the type of family if I had no place to be I could call anyone of my aunts or my cousins and they would say come and stay with me for a few weeks
[speaker001:] oh wow that is good so when so when you guys have your reunion uh
[speaker002:] um-hum it's
[speaker001:] now I'm sure that sounds like you guys are pretty satisfied what about your your uh how how what do you do for the kids
[speaker002:] oh well uh these attitudes are projected down to the kids that this is the place where we really want to go and and we can have a good time it's not a boring thing uh I guess once in awhile about thirteen or so maybe it's a little boring for them
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] if if they haven't been there enough years to have formed friendships but my kids went every year and therefore they knew you know a lot of the other kids
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so then you kind of look forward to seeing some of these second cousins once a year we do go to uh it's Clear Lake Iowa where we hold it and we make every effort in the world to get the shelter house so we have a facility where we can be inside but yet the kids can go and be in the lake if they want to
[speaker001:] is is uh and and how do you allocate uh I mean how do you decide when you're going to meet and
[speaker002:] oh and that's set it's going to be it's always the first Sunday after the Fourth of July
[speaker001:] oh okay well the first Sunday after the Fourth of July has got to be hot right
[speaker002:] oh it is but then you can't find any time in Iowa when it's not hot in the summertime
[speaker001:] that's what I meant could be the springtime or something like that the kids are still in school then huh
[speaker002:] oh yeah uh-huh well okay but Iowa is very agricultural and spring is not a good time to try to do anything
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] because so many were involved with agriculture so so do you have a reunion
[speaker001:] well my kids my parents uh used to have reunions and and uh we'd go and and uh actually I kind of remember it as a lot of as a lot of fun but it's been very tough to talk my kids into the idea of meeting any of the relatives uh I don't know exactly why that's true I think part of it's because they're
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] uh they just don't know anybody and we our family is all scattered out we started in California but uh now everybody's all over the United States these days
[speaker002:] uh-huh well you know with as many people as we have we're all over the US too
[speaker001:] but uh I yeah I I know that there's a difference but I haven't quite even even locally uh I I guess I've got a brother that lives uh about a five hour drive from here and I haven't seen him for twenty years so that tells you something about my
[speaker002:] oh my what did you say your first name was Ralph
[speaker001:] but it's Ralph
[speaker002:] uh Ralph shouldn't act like that
[speaker001:] no no I shouldn't I'm uh I have to admit that it's but when I hear these uh well of course I was the last of eight see
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] the very last of eight and my parents were both married before and and uh so I only have half brothers and half sisters so that's I guess that's part of it they were all grown by the time I came along and uh
[speaker002:] oh I see
[speaker001:] I shouldn't say all grown but anyway it's it's one of those uh um I was always the you're their kid you're their kid and I'm not saying they're not nice but but uh you you know we don't have those stories
[speaker002:] okay there's difference yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] real close uh uh I was always the little kid I'll put it that way so that's and then the other side of it and the other thing too is that my parents uh uh my dad had five kids |
[speaker001:] um what have been some well I'll start out with some of my my vacations um
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] um when I graduated from high school um my uh band my jazz band and we visited Europe I visited Germany and Austria um Italy uh Switzerland and that was pretty fun I also have visited South America and just this last summer one of my favorite vacations is I went to China
[speaker002:] oh boy you're a real world traveler here
[speaker001:] so uh I I we my wife and I when we went to China we visited the Great Wall and uh the Forbidden City um the Forbidden City is uh right there Tiananmen Square is right in front of it and so that's where all the killings occurred not too long couple years ago and uh also the Forbidden City if you saw what was that one movie that was really famous
[speaker002:] all right oh yeah um emperor or yeah
[speaker001:] uh The Last Emperor yeah that was filmed in the Forbidden City so we had to see that when we went anyway
[speaker002:] yeah that was a well my wife and I are right now saving for a trip to to England
[speaker001:] oh that sounds fun
[speaker002:] we would like to stay about a month uh
[speaker001:] you'll need to save for that unless you have some friends there you're going to stay with because
[speaker002:] well we do have some friends that we can stay at their place for a while or as long as we want actually but it's you know it's in the southern part so but we want us to go all over the countryside that's our next big vacation we've got planned and just a few days in the London itself is all we're interested in there but mostly to this date uh our vacations have been more like uh anywhere where there's not too many tourists
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I hate resorts and things like that I like to go where you can get out by yourself in the mountains done a lot of camping in New Mexico and uh Colorado
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and one time we even toured Iowa my wife is from Iowa but actually the southern part and uh she'd never really seen a lot of the different northern places and just the lot of the little towns and so we drove around went to the Humana Colonies things like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah they're not too far from here
[speaker002:] we really I think she enjoyed it a a lot because she knew more of the history than course than I did of Iowa but it was uh it was interesting
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] here in Texas we live in the middle of Texas it's hard to get out of Texas on a driving trip
[speaker001:] yeah got to go a long ways uh yeah we also don't like to particularly go to tourist spots fact we usually choose to go places where we at least for part of our trip will be visiting someone and uh even when my wife is well and my graduate program that I was in we knew some people who were in Beijing and so uh we were able to stay with them for part of the time in fact they spoke English very well and and helped us around to see some of the places and even when we went to South America uh uh we knew there were people contacts we had there
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so uh but most people that I that I uh met you know at the university and so uh it makes a big difference to us we like to go for go on a trip with someone who's from the area because I don't know I've I'm afraid especially if I don't know the language
[speaker002:] right we had had a we went to Mexico City once by ourselves uh mainly because it was just something we could afford to do and we heard it was interesting well we just had a real awful time because we didn't speak Spanish I don't think that would have helped us any anyway it was just a miserable vacation and we decided you know we'll never go anywhere where they don't speak English or somebody that can't help us
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it was by the end of that week we felt like everybody was out to get us
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and that sort of thing and we weren't having the fun we thought we would
[speaker001:] yeah it really makes a difference because I know even when we went to China when we crossed the border we went over to Hong Kong we were so relieved it was so fun to be uh you know it seemed like returning to civilization and where a lot of people spoke English and uh just the general living conditions were were somewhat higher also so it was uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah our last major vacation was uh well we had to go to Iowa to see some relatives because sickness in the family so we took that in for a few days and then we went to a uh to a Shaker settlement in Kentucky and uh it's a it's been rebuilt and we stayed there for three days and it was just kind of neat because we really like Shaker things and we were able to take our dog with us and he stayed with us and it was just the thrill of our life to it was early fall and Kentucky was beautiful that time of the year anyway |
[speaker001:] person I've ever gotten
[speaker002:] yeah me too I guess it's the east coast time you know everybody else is asleep
[speaker001:] well I figured I'm available now and actually I've had this thing on speaker phone and it's it tried about fifteen time
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah I've got I've initiated a few at the office like that and it takes a while during the day uh well it's an interesting topic wanna get going
[speaker001:] okay I oh okay here we go
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] what are your thoughts on fitness
[speaker002:] uh well I exercise fairly regularly I work for a company out here uh in uh Livingston New Jersey Bellcore yeah Bell Communications Research and um we have in the corporate center where I work a health enhancement center HEC they call it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it's about as convenient as can be it's uh just two floors down from me and uh so I exercise regularly during the daytime when I'm at the office
[speaker001:] do they have Nautilus machines and that kind of thing
[speaker002:] and they have oh a bank of maybe six jogging machines they have a a um progressive weight machine that uh you know you dial up the weights on it it's not Nautilus but it's similar to that and then they have uh bicycles and free weights but they also have people who chart your progress uh and encourage you to come if you slip off for a couple of weeks they send you a a nice friendly aggressive reminder that says hey we haven't seen you for a while and they also provide towels and shower facilities and lockers and everything so uh you I've been through the routine I guess like most people where you know I've joined health clubs I've been at the university where you know it's a pretty good distance away you know quarter of a mile walk and uh nothing seemed to work for me as well as having it in my own building doesn't work at at at home you know I've bought home exercise equipment and stuff and
[speaker001:] right is this something you do on your lunch hour
[speaker002:] uh no I generally go down there um midafternoon um the time that seems to be best for me is around two o'clock two thirty but
[speaker001:] oh they allow you that free time to do that
[speaker002:] but yeah and that's you know there are people down there all the time you could almost hold meetings sometimes because people tend to set up a regular schedule and go down there uh but the the etiquette of the place is that you don't really talk too much business
[speaker001:] oh I really wouldn't have thought they'd give you that much free time this is part of your day
[speaker002:] when we're down there uh yeah yeah it just you know works out that way um and there have been a lot of studies I have friends who uh
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] who work in the recreation field for companies like this and actually um a break like that increases productivity and and with the commensurate um increase in physical fitness by the people who attend these centers regularly you have uh fewer absentees and things like that so the corporation can justify it pretty well
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and it's not like I'm taking time away from the company I probably put in extra hours because I'm now physically fit and reenergized I mean that my routine around two two thirty to go down there for an hour probably makes the last three hours of the day then more productive than I would if I you know just sort of went on through so
[speaker001:] well I I I used to exercise at night and I found that you don't come home tired you come home with a new found energy so you I can see what you're saying
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and that's what the late kind of the late afternoon is I you know I have a very light lunch because I know I'm gonna be working out and uh you you know usually then my lunch is just a a quick tuna sandwich at my desk so then and I sort of skip that luncheon
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] time and uh you know catch up on reading and then work out so that's that's kind of my routine
[speaker001:] hm I belong to a Y and I substitute teach so I would love to get there Monday Wednesday Friday or you know every other day but when the phone rings at six o'clock in the morning that's it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and and it's kind of upsetting because if you go once a week it hurts every single time
[speaker002:] yes yeah
[speaker001:] you know I what I like about exercise I love the inaerobic exercise I like the weight machines and I like the free weights I enjoy that it's sort of a personal challenge to get better at that and you do see results real quickly um you know the the
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um stationary bike and those skiing machines that's work I'm not crazy about that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah we have the Nordic machine and I tried it a couple of times it just made me feel stupid and uncomfortable and uncoordinated so I don't do that I sometimes it is used regularly by you know people but uh I I didn't like it
[speaker001:] well I find I I you know I read somewhere that twenty minutes on the bike is what you need every other day and and I can do that and be pretty comfortable about it but I tried the Nautilus machine yes it you do feel kind of goofy but even five minutes makes you feel tired you work harder on that thing
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum yeah it it appears so I generally use the um the treadmill uh I kind of like it it's it's mindless you just get on and it's a a way to sort of um reach a Karma very quickly you know |
[speaker001:] uh so my favorite team is about the Rangers
[speaker002:] is it I'd have to agree with that they're my favorite team too been a little disappointing the last few years
[speaker001:] yeah I'm telling you you think they'll sign Ruben
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] I really don't I just don't think you know with that guy from Pittsburgh getting all that money twenty seven or twenty nine million or whatever it was I just don't think that they're gonna be able to sign Ruben Sierra and it's just gonna be a shame for you know our area
[speaker001:] right yeah I think it's gonna have a big effect if they don't on the other uh Hispanic players
[speaker002:] oh I do too I just the main thing is that
[speaker001:] I think that's gonna be the big problem
[speaker002:] it's just gonna have an effect on the the team you know
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] we just can't seem to you know I think we've been in this spot I think we finished second once or maybe even twice I don't know I
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I haven't been to a baseball game in a couple of years just it's just too disappointing I just watch them fall every year
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I was a Pete Incaviglia fan and uh
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] I liked him but of course I understand baseball decisions are all just decisions like that have to be made by someone glad it's not me making them
[speaker001:] right I think they're just want a stay mediocre and draw their two million fans out there and then be happy with it and not have to pay the bucks to get a contender in here
[speaker002:] well they say as long as they draw up two million fans that Greave and Valentine'll be there
[speaker001:] but right right yeah
[speaker002:] so and that's the name of the game too you got to make money you know they pay these players so much money now it's just
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] it's frightening you and I should be so lucky to you know to go out and swing a bat and get two thousand dollars every time you swing the bat or something like that
[speaker001:] that's true but uh they're talking about trading him if they're not able to sign him and uh use the money that it would take to sign the guy you know to pay for pitchers or you know what it what it what they what else they need because they've got the hitting but they need the pitching
[speaker002:] yeah they really do
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] I think they uh I think they need them all I just don't understand I understand the big cities like in New York or LA or somewhere because big cities and you know a guy a pro athlete can go out there in the afternoon probably make five thousand dollars just by doing a personal appearance at a
[speaker001:] oh I know
[speaker002:] at a at a men's clothing store or something or sporting goods store but I realize the difference but I just don't understand
[speaker001:] yeah it's sure aggravating when you go out and bust your butt working you know your day job and you can work your day job the rest of your life and not bring home as much money as they bring home in one game
[speaker002:] oh I know I tell you
[speaker001:] that's real aggravating but
[speaker002:] but I one thing I don't understand is why a group you know headed up by George Bush would buy the Texas Rangers and not really get behind them because I tell you we need a winner in this town looks like our Cowboys are coming back but
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] so that's that's going to be a big help to Dallas but you know in the past half a dozen years all we've had is the uh
[speaker001:] it's always got yeah it's always
[speaker002:] yeah the soccer team
[speaker001:] it's always wondered me why I mean they act as though this area is not you know a big metropolitan area but you think we'd someday get an owner in here that could afford to buy the the the players we need
[speaker002:] oh I know that's a
[speaker001:] just real aggravating to because I've lived here you know since well I was born and raised here so I've been a Ranger fan since about seventy seven so it's a lot of losers it's about to get you know as bad as the Cubs or whoever you know
[speaker002:] oh I know I've been one yeah I've been I've lived here since seventy four and I've really been a Ranger fan for the longest time and excuse me I don't miss a time picking up the morning paper and checking the box scores I mean I follow them and I follow them like I follow the Mavericks and like I follow the Cowboys but and I want to see them win because
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know damn it they the fans deserve it I mean it you know we have pretty uh great fans to put two million people in that stadium
[speaker001:] right I'm telling you
[speaker002:] I love Nolan Ryan I guess you probably love him too
[speaker001:] right I think this town'd go crazy if they ever got a even a play-off team time I mean it would be packed and they got that new stadium they're building so at least at least that'll be exciting when we get that but
[speaker002:] oh I do too it will well where do you think they're heading this year
[speaker001:] uh it's hard to say it's gonna be depending on where the what they do with Ruben Sierra and uh I mean I'm getting tired of them going into each year saying you know Bobby Witt's the answer and Kevin Brown's the answer and man that's getting old you know these guys have been pampered I mean
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] it's time to to either you know put out or shut up
[speaker002:] yeah Bobby Witt gets forced into wins like seventeen games or whatever and they have the later ten game winning streak and they give him all kinds of money and then he just goes right down the tube
[speaker001:] and right and and Valentine and Greave they're about to get you know they're about to get old but I like this Sandy Johnson |
[speaker001:] um she asked if I I guess they went ahead and told you we're supposed to be talking about uh drug testing and what do we think about the policy of most companies and government agencies and of course that's something we're familiar with
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um you want to go ahead or
[speaker002:] okay go ahead no no go ahead
[speaker001:] um personally it was something that uh I mean I know it presents an emotional issue moral issue people feel like maybe my rights are being violated but I work in human resources so I work with a lot of folks that um are in accidents or where safety considerations are concerned and
[speaker002:] okay yeah
[speaker001:] I really feel like that TI's decision to go with drug testing was good you know because I I feel like that you know well all all it takes is one person coming to work under the influence of some narcotic um truly injure a lot more of our workers
[speaker002:] yeah and that's that's funny you're in human resources and I'm in uh health and safety
[speaker001:] are you
[speaker002:] yes um I think it's a good idea I I I don't think that they've gone far enough though I think they should they should uh also test for alcohol
[speaker001:] well now the thing you you know course they've always said separately that um you know we have a we have a policy on alcohol course if anybody's under the uh influence or if you have reasonable suspicion then that would result in corrective action for them also and that of course has been in place for years
[speaker002:] right but
[speaker001:] but it's not specifically tested for that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] no and and from everything that I can gather you know reading different articles and and just a newspaper in general uh uh news on the um television it seems that alcohol is the is the most prevalent um addictive addictive drug
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] even though the all the college campuses now the they're saying that the majority of of uh students uh drink
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and most of them are partying but yet we don't test for that and I wonder if we don't do that because it is so prevalent and would put probably lose a quarter of all our population here
[speaker001:] how long does alcohol stay in the system I mean like if somebody went out and had some drinks the night before is that going to be there the next day
[speaker002:] well they say your system a normal a normal person should be able to metabolize an ounce of alcohol per hour
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and then again it it depends depends on the the bigger you are and you know the more bulk that you have you you can your system can tolerate more alcohol so a large person can probably um metabolize maybe a little bit more
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] than a smaller person but even that yeah if you go out you know because some people go out maybe oh you know they drink up a gallon
[speaker001:] yeah they do
[speaker002:] um what's what's the uh consensus down there when when uh TI announced that uh the drug testing program did you get a lot of uh animosity against that
[speaker001:] we had I didn't get a lot no not like I expected um we had you know one or two that were extremely outspoken you know felt like it really violated their rights and and um and it was not the people that I would have expected um it's uh one of them stands out in my mind as an extremely uh just a super person in management you know and he's he's very family oriented his family's very close he he also opposes in the schools like for his kids because he says you know we are a good Christian family we do not do this type of thing it definitely violates our rights and he was very outspoken
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but for the most part people were like well I don't like it uh it's not something I prefer to do but I understand the reasoning and I think part of the attitude is that I think TI went to really great lengths in communicating and tried to prepare them and and tell them why and you know they didn't just announce it without really any forethought
[speaker002:] yes no that's you're right yeah
[speaker001:] and uh I I think they don't go far enough uh kind of on a different vein and that is that I think every time we have any type of industrial accident at TI I think somebody ought to be tested immediately and you know maybe that's just me personally but I I feel like
[speaker002:] sure that's an idea too I just uh
[speaker001:] you know I I feel like if something happens uh that causes an accident you ought to test the parties involved immediately just just if if nothing else to rule it out
[speaker002:] yeah that's a that's a thought um I don't know if you can go
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] depends on the severity of the accident I think you know if you get like up here because we've got heavy industry we've got you know uh uh smelting plant and we've got a
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] we've got a lot of uh metals rolling and slitting and stuff like that so we've got a lot of we are we end up with a lot of uh hand injuries you know cuts and things like that but perhaps um
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] if you could weed out those the people that have chronic accidents and test those you know that's a start
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and that's a good idea that's a good point
[speaker001:] I guess what makes me think of that you know uh you hear them doing that like it's a or like Amtrak you know if if they have a derailment or or transportation industry it seems like if there's accidents train accidents things like that they test and I think well why not because we do have some large industrial accidents sometimes
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] uh you know if you have a large acid spill you know well gee maybe you better check this person who's handling all these acids you know I work with a wafer fab so we do a lot with chemicals and acids and
[speaker002:] oh okay yeah
[speaker001:] uh things like that but I I do feel like companies are justified and I do feel like I I mean I I guess I hate as an individual that anything like this has ever become necessary in our you know in our nation but but I feel like that it's a good thing to do
[speaker002:] well I can see transportation because now you're dealing with or they have the responsibility over a great number of people
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] rather than themselves um but but thinking on that yeah because we've got we've got truck drivers here that go between plants you know locally
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and carry material and they carry acids and things too
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] um I don't know what the what the uh company plant is they went through I guess key personnel first
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then it funneled down to uh the general population
[speaker001:] uh-huh now that started in January of last year
[speaker002:] but I wonder if yeah and I I still haven't been called yet in fact yeah in fact out of our office staff is let's see there's uh four six there's seven of us and there's only one been called
[speaker001:] is that right well I've been lucky I've been called twice
[speaker002:] well I oh oh I I should probably shouldn't be talking to you then right
[speaker001:] no I had to test once um when they did the key personnel they test all human resource folks and so I I I was once there and then in the general random sampling last year I was I contacted
[speaker002:] okay and then you just got lucky again right
[speaker001:] yeah and that you know I have that same uneasy feeling that other folks have you know I know I I mean I don't drink I don't smoke I don't do nothing
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I used to smoke years ago but I don't now
[speaker001:] you know but you still walk in there and go gee what if something I ate what if something I've done what if something I've eaten shows up
[speaker002:] well it's not only that but I've read different articles and they said even the even the best of labs they come back with erroneous samples and even if they get a a reading I guess they test the same sample again
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and they're going to get the same reading suppose they uh you know it's a do they crucify you right then and there or do they do they go back and retest
[speaker001:] well now if the lab is making an error on the sample then when they retest the error should not be there uh
[speaker002:] but they retest the same sample
[speaker001:] yeah but the error is on the part of the lab not on the sample in other words if somebody makes a mistake in what they're reading then they're not going to get the same reading the second time
[speaker002:] oh I see oh okay but if they do then you're you're pretty well
[speaker001:] if they do then you have you always have the recourse um you know before we do anything we sit down and talk with the person about is there any reason why this should have shown up and a lot of times you know uh
[speaker002:] condemned right to be retested
[speaker001:] they'll go oh yeah I was on a prescription for this and they can go get it and bring it in
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know in which case they're fine obviously those are recorded as negatives if you're under you know legal qualified medical care um
[speaker002:] yeah but I often wondered wondered about that too
[speaker001:] if if we're talking marijuana if it's in the system uh then
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah you know that would be grounds for uh if it's their second positive it would be grounds for termination if it's their first positive then they're setup with E A P counseling
[speaker002:] do you know of any incidences of of of uh erroneous
[speaker001:] uh we've had a couple
[speaker002:] you know something they they make a mistake the lab made a mistake and it really wasn't nothing
[speaker001:] no no in fact see TI actually sends uh test samples from time to time uh
[speaker002:] oh just to see just just to check on a lab
[speaker001:] just to check the validity of the lab yeah and uh so that's kind of an ongoing test process for the we do for Compucam and you know they don't know which ones are test samples
[speaker002:] uh we must be yeah we must be doing the same up here too we we're probably send to a different lab than you guys down there
[speaker001:] yeah I don't think so I think the whole company uses Compucam which is over there on the east coast somewhere
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and ours actually are mailed there uh they're the I think the largest and they do a lot of the government contractors they have an excellent excellent rate um
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and just uh they |
[speaker001:] Okay, what do you think about, uh, the self insurance business?
[speaker002:] Well, I watched something on T V a couple of months ago by, uh, General, ex, uh, Surgeon General Koop.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And he talked about Canada's system and it appears to work fine for the normal colds and things like that, but the expensive stuff, heart, uh, operations and things, they have a managed scarcity. And they said that in Canada, there were as many heart, uh, trauma centers as there is in San Francisco. So in one city of, in America, there's as many, uh, hospitals that are equipped to do hosp-, uh, heart operations as in the entire area of Canada, and that's kind of spooky.
[speaker001:] Well, I, uh, I understand what you're saying, and there's probably some truth to that. I think that, uh, generally I don't welcome added government responsibilities. However, when a, anybody can't police their own profession, it eventually leads to that, and I think the costs and the, uh, the way the medical profession has, every year I, being in my own business, uh, in the last six years, every year there's been at least minimum twenty-five percent increase in health insurance costs, and I think eventually the number of people that can afford health insurance, as, as it is now getting squeezed and squeezed tighter.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, I think they're asking for it. I, I think the medical profession is just, just pushing until there's no option but the government take it over [faint] and, uh,
[speaker002:] Do you think that it's just, uh, medical guys? What about, you know, you know how expensive new equipment and technology is. That's where I think most of the cost is coming.
[speaker001:] Well, I, I think a lot of it is, uh, I, I don't disagree totally with that, but, uh, my wife this last summer, uh, when we were on vacation tore up her knee, and, uh, uh, it was lig-, ligaments, uh, in her knee,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] as it turned out, uh, she came back that, uh, we were out at Cape Hatteras when this happened and, uh, she got home, and the leading orthopedic man, who has handled football people for years and is as good as they come, I mean, he knows knee problems okay,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean if anyone does, this guy knows it. Well, she goes in, he says, well, I think this is what it is, but, uh, you better go to the hospital and have one of these M R I things. A thousand dollars for this, uh, oh, magnetic, uh, resonance imaging type thing. And my wife said, well, do I need that? And he says, well, uh, you know, it, it'll help me diagnose this. I mean, uh, you know, I, I suggest you go have this thing. Insurance won't pick this up unless you're in the hospital. Now, a,
[speaker002:] Oh, great.
[speaker001:] thousand, uh, uh, dollars for thirty-five minutes. I mean, doctors routinely send people in for anything. Now, for years they didn't have this and they solved these problems, and, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I said to her, well, look, you know, if you feel you got to go, go, but I, I think a thousand dollars, these guys, I don't know what it is, but there's,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] no doubt they get kickbacks to fill these machines up night and day. And even if they cost a hundred, two hundred, five hundred thousand dollars, at, uh, roughly a thousand dollars every half hour, uh, that's ridiculous. I, I don't care what anyone says. You know, the costs are not, it's a picture. It shouldn't cost more than thirty-five bucks for something like that, you know, reasonableness. But they aren't reasonable. Fifty, a hundred dollars. They don't have to pay them back in three months time.
[speaker002:] No. Yeah, I'll have to agree,
[speaker001:] You know.
[speaker002:] with you there, but there's another problem, and that's the, how litigious our society is. If the doctor makes a mistake, he can be sure that he's going to be hauled into court.
[speaker001:] Well, I think that should be, that, that's a, another problem, but that's part of our legalese problem. And that, the government eventually will address too [LAUGHTER] just, you know, because it's out of control. I, I agree with you. You know, uh, I was on a jury or I, I didn't make the jury, but there was a,
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] deal where a doctor was going to be sued for malpractice on the death on an infant.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Like it was three days after it was born, and he was the one that delivered it. And they got four attorneys, one guy out of Houston, he introduced himself as snake so-and-so, and he says, well, anyone have trouble awarding five million dollars, and I says, yeah, I got problems with [LAUGHTER]. I mean, [LAUGHTER] you know, five million bucks isn't going to bring this kid back, you know, I mean, as sorrowful as it is. Uh, you know, if the doctor is wrong, you know, he should be pulled from his license, but five million dollars and away he goes because insurance pays for it, you know, it, it doesn't make logical sense to me, but, uh,
[speaker002:] No, it doesn't.
[speaker001:] Uh, that's, |
[speaker001:] all right
[speaker002:] oh okay are you on an exercise program now or
[speaker001:] yeah I exercise pretty regularly
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I lift weights quite a bit
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um I run occasionally let's see what else do I do play golf some and I work out on a a hanging bag I'm brown belt in karate so I keep up with that a little bit
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh yeah
[speaker001:] how about you
[speaker002:] um the only exercise program I'm doing right now is walking
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I've got a nine month old and I'm four months pregnant with my second and so at the time walking seems to be the best it's something I can do with her plus um doesn't tax me too physically
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I have enjoyed aerobics in the past and I enjoy that because I like the group association you know like exercising with other people
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and um and that's my favorite way to exercise
[speaker001:] well that's neat
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] yeah I do walk some too my wife's about five months along so she's been walking quite a bit so that that is a good exercise for that
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's it's it's nice to do it together too I guess
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] because my husband and I used to walk together but our schedules don't coincide as well as they used to and so we very seldom get together to walk but when you when you work out do you pretty much do it on your own schedule or do you go to groups or
[speaker001:] I I I do it on my own schedule
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] we used to try and belong to clubs or the Y stuff like that but it so difficult to go on a regular basis to drive to drive the distance you have to go and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] save the fees we've decided we just save the fees and and buy some of our own equipment so
[speaker002:] and then you can do it whenever you want I guess
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I've got a weight bench and we got my wife an exercise bike and I use that sometimes too
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so it's a little more convenient but you're I guess you're not as dedicated if you don't drive over do it
[speaker002:] I guess it depends on the person depends on how motivated you are
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] because my husband used to work out three days a week with uh at the Texas Instruments gym
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then I would just go on Saturdays but since the first of the year neither one of us have been going
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so you know like you said we've been paying these fees and not going so it's kind of a a waste of money if you don't take advantage of it
[speaker001:] yeah I I think you really have to be disciplined
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I uh I I try to work out at at least a couple of times a week and I I think you really have to at least twice a week just to maintain the shape that you're in
[speaker002:] yeah oh with the walking I think they they said you need to walk at least twelve miles a week for it to be aerobically beneficial
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and we I have two friends that we walk they have babies that are about the same age as as mine and we've been walking every morning at going when it was cold we'd go to the mall it's because you can't take the babies out very easily
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so uh so we when we go we have about do about fifteen miles a week but the last little while for one the reason or another we haven't been real consistent so it's a little harder when you depending on other people to do it with you
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] because you have to meet their schedules as well but
[speaker001:] true
[speaker002:] but I enjoy doing it more when I've got other people with me than and I usually do it because I want to because I know it's good for me not because you know I don't I don't feel obligated to do it and I enjoy it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] if I if I feel too obligated to do it I I start to rebel and I won't be as consistent with it
[speaker001:] yeah I understand did you exercise between your first child and your second
[speaker002:] I uh I exercised pretty well up until I found or until I was pregnant and I started having pains so I've calmed down everything except I was working out doing aerobic exercises as well as the um walking
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and I had to stop the aerobics because it was just kind of painful but the the TI rec center has an aerobics program for for um prenatal and postnatal aerobic type thing
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] and I was going to wait until um about my sixth month and then start doing that I did that with the second baby and um I went to my exercise class exercise class one day and then she was delivered the next day
[speaker001:] gosh
[speaker002:] so it it would seem to be real beneficial
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah maybe it maybe it speeded up the process and all that
[speaker002:] well I think it made parts of it a lot easier I I is this your first that you're having
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh okay well then I don't know how much you've been through it but um I think parts of it made a lot easier and I've talked to a lot of ladies that exercise with one pregnancy and didn't with the other and they said that they'd exercise the one that had exercised was three or four times easier and
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] and we've I had having both of them natural the first one was natural and going natural the second and and it was it's rough but it's not as as bad as I thought it would be
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I think the exercise helped
[speaker001:] well that's good
[speaker002:] so do you work with TI
[speaker001:] no I don't my my wife has been working with them
[speaker002:] oh okay well then she could go if she was interested
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I think that's what the class that meets on Saturday mornings so she could find out if she wanted to go it's kind of fun because with the first pregnancy all the other ladies except one were on their first pregnancy and they would talk about exercise and just general things related to the birthing process and so for it's so it's educational as well as it exercise exercise beneficial so
[speaker001:] yeah at least its something that you enjoy and I know a lot of people that talk about exercise and say well I don't want to exercise it's too much work but there a lot of different things you can do that that are enjoyable that you don't have to you kn ow strain yourself or sweat
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] be real sore afterwards
[speaker002:] yeah and sometimes that's if you get a little soreness you feel like well I've done a good job because I got worked myself to that point but I guess you don't want to overdue but well have we reached our limit I'm not sure how long we've been talking but
[speaker001:] yeah I think I think we've talked about six minutes or so so
[speaker002:] okay well it's been good talking to you
[speaker001:] it's been good talking to you as well
[speaker002:] okay I hope your baby goes well comes out well bye-bye
[speaker001:] thanks yours yours too bye-bye |
[speaker001:] hi I'm Bridgette
[speaker002:] Bridgette I'm Jackie
[speaker001:] it's nice to meet you
[speaker002:] and nice to meet you are you um where are you from
[speaker001:] I'm in Lubbock
[speaker002:] and what's that where's that
[speaker001:] it's in west Texas
[speaker002:] oh I'm from Wisconsin Kenosha yeah I'm not very familiar with Texas
[speaker001:] oh really oh my gosh
[speaker002:] yeah I'm far
[speaker001:] well is that where you are right now
[speaker002:] yeah I I live in Kenosha Wisconsin
[speaker001:] oh my gosh I didn't know I'd get someone that far away
[speaker002:] yeah I I've gotten a lot of people from Texas and they're always like wow Wisconsin
[speaker001:] I know that's I was like oh my gosh so we're supposed to talk about music okay I'll push one then
[speaker002:] uh-huh okay okay
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] all right ah what kind of music do you like
[speaker001:] um I listen to all sorts of music really I think uh I like a lot of country
[speaker002:] oh yeah is that really popular in Texas or is that just like a stereotype because it's the south
[speaker001:] um I think it's pretty popular I mean it is probably like a huge stereotype but I think it's pretty popular too what kind of music do you like
[speaker002:] is it oh um well I used to not really like country that much but I think but what my dad really likes it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I used to listen to that and the older I got the more it you know I I can listen to it but um I prefer um um hm groups like I like um Firehouse
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and Slaughter and um Scorpions um the Scorpions
[speaker001:] uh-huh so you like more hard rock yeah
[speaker002:] yeah yeah but I also like the top forty too and I really like the oldies station like um fifties music
[speaker001:] uh-huh really
[speaker002:] yeah and and um The Doors are pretty good too I can listen to them and The Who I I really like all kinds I
[speaker001:] uh-huh that's how I am too do you like any rap music
[speaker002:] um no that's about the only kind I don't get into is like rap and like classical and um
[speaker001:] yeah I don't either
[speaker002:] jazz is all right but um like the blues and stuff like that I I like to dance and if it's like a upbeat you know good song then then I'll listen to it and if I'm out you know dancing then makes it better to listen to
[speaker001:] uh-huh so you like mostly like uh do you like hard rock the best
[speaker002:] yeah um there's this station called The Blaze from Chicago and that's my favorite because they yeah they play um all different kinds of um harder rock
[speaker001:] really uh-huh well I'm from Dallas and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum oh I've been there hm um-hum
[speaker001:] have you they have hard rock stations there I don't even think they have a hard rock station in Lubbock I pretty sure they don't if they if they do I've never come across it
[speaker002:] oh really no um-hum
[speaker001:] but they only have I mean they don't have really it's really small and uh they don't have that really many radio you know like top forty stations even
[speaker002:] oh really uh oh yeah oh that's neat uh-huh me too yeah
[speaker001:] yeah it's more like a college town so yeah because I'm in college cool so um I mean I don't think gah they had a I don't think they do have a hard rock station here
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] see you don't here very often and you never have like bands come you never have them like come up to we're up here you know
[speaker002:] oh really we get a lot like at the bars because um we have a lot of like bands that form by themselves like from Milwaukee and Chicago trying to get started you know to the big top and yeah
[speaker001:] oh really see that's great you would never see that here no I don't think you would
[speaker002:] oh really uh-huh I think a lot of music has to do with like you know the type of people you hang around with and especially your environment like you know the settings like the bigger cities you get more variety I think you know
[speaker001:] yeah see yeah see I think most people listen to country up here being it's so far like in the panhandle of Texas and stuff
[speaker002:] oh yeah uh I've gotten to like um a couple of songs from Garth Brooks
[speaker001:] do you I know he's great I like him a lot
[speaker002:] yeah I I just um heard of him this year my boyfriend um he uh likes some types of country music and he was listening to that and it
[speaker001:] uh-huh see I only know very few too even I mean I only know like Garth Brooks and like George Straight and a few of the top the really good guys I like Garth Brooks I really like him he's really good
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah yeah I I've liked most the songs I heard so that was good
[speaker001:] uh-huh you have to kind of get used to it though because I didn't like country western really for a while and even when I came up here I didn't listen to it until like last year then I started listening to it a lot and then then you like it a lot
[speaker002:] yeah same here oh yeah uh I just started um listening to it too because my boyfriend but yeah after I heard it a while at first I didn't like it and then I heard it and then I'm like oh this isn't so bad you know it's it's you know upbeat and you know I got into it and I saw on TV one time um they were playing Garth Brooks and they were um showing how to country dance to it and it looked so fun because like I say I like to dance and it was just really neat
[speaker001:] oh really uh-huh oh yeah you would like two stepping then
[speaker002:] yeah it it looked fun I'm like oh I wanna learn now
[speaker001:] I know I wanted to I wanna learn to because we can do it but we're not very good
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] we're just like oh yeah we kind of fake it you know so I wanna take lessons because I think that'd be so fun I think
[speaker002:] oh yeah |
[speaker001:] um what do you feel about child care
[speaker002:] well fortunately my children are pretty much beyond that
[speaker001:] mine are too but I think it's a real real a real serious situation for a lot of people
[speaker002:] it certainly is
[speaker001:] and I don't you know a lot about it where where you're working for this school department
[speaker002:] yes um our YMCA has after school child care um at several of the schools so that they don't even have to you know go anywhere yeah
[speaker001:] leave the school uh-huh
[speaker002:] um and then for other schools that they don't have it at the school they have it at the Y and they pick them up in a a you know a van or whatever I think it kind of depends on how many
[speaker001:] um-hum well you're probably in a more uh oh what we we live in a rural rural area
[speaker002:] students oh okay
[speaker001:] and so I think most of the people around here that have to leave their children leave them with uh neighbors or people you know in a home situation
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum well that's always nice too I did that when mine were were littler
[speaker001:] so uh-huh
[speaker002:] the uh first couple of years that I I worked only halftime when my first child was born and and he just stayed with a friend or somebody that maybe had one child you know his age
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um and that always seemed to work out real well and you know when somebody would decide to quit or something I always felt real panicky
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but always seemed to manage to find somebody that I thought was just as wonderful as the other one you know so it seemed to work out
[speaker001:] yeah did you have you worked all the time your children were little
[speaker002:] um uh when I had my second one I stayed home for three and a half years
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then and then went back
[speaker001:] so but that's about the time then they could go into a preschool situation
[speaker002:] right right unfortunately the preschool that I wanted the second one to go to because my first one had
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] is a preschool that does not have any day care at all but it's such a wonderful preschool so I had to find somebody else to keep them and then and then somebody to take them there
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh
[speaker002:] so that's always another problem
[speaker001:] oh yes uh you know I don't know how people we it's pretty cold here in Utah in the winter and I think I just think it would be so hard to have to get a child up a baby
[speaker002:] um um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and take it in the cold to someone early in the morning
[speaker002:] right yep
[speaker001:] I think that that I would let I think I would sooner have it in someone in the home taking care of it
[speaker002:] um-hum but then that's awfully expensive too
[speaker001:] in a home
[speaker002:] yeah well I mean if so you have someone come into your home
[speaker001:] oh yes uh-huh to come into your home but I
[speaker002:] you know that that would be real nice but just almost almost cost prohibitive prohibitive you know
[speaker001:] um-hum yes unless you can get could get a a nanny or something that I know a lot of the girls here go off as nannies
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and stay in people's homes and take care of them after they've graduated from high school not a lot but some of them
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh I think that'd be an ideal situation I've never had to to uh work out of the home I've had we had uh six children and they just
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I would just I was just here with them
[speaker002:] well you just worked period huh if you had six children
[speaker001:] right and right well there was seventeen years between them but that uh yeah well I just I just really that's what I wanted to do you know and but I know that my
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] children's spouses and I have five boys and a girl and uh
[speaker002:] oh where did the girl come
[speaker001:] in the middle uh-huh we kept trying but uh the our our daughter or none of them have worked very much while their children have been little
[speaker002:] middle oh that's good um-hum
[speaker001:] so but uh we have fourteen grandchildren so this is I I feel lucky that they have not had to go out of the home
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] because I I I don't know I just think that those first two or three years and then again in high school they they need their mother there
[speaker002:] yeah that's true yeah that is true well how cold is it up there
[speaker001:] so uh it's in the how cold is it honey right now about twenty eight
[speaker002:] oh okay well it's about fifty here so uh no it's quit yeah it was bad there for a little bit but uh anyway
[speaker001:] is it still raining oh good are you um-hum what do you do in the school district do you
[speaker002:] I'm a librarian
[speaker001:] oh well that's be interesting I love books
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah I liked that a lot and I kind of wanted to continue it even though my children were you know when they were born but like I said I was able to stay home for
[speaker001:] so uh-huh
[speaker002:] those three years so it made a difference
[speaker001:] well I think if you're trained and I think if you feel it within yourself that you want to be out you know and you you have uh you have the ability and stuff that's great there were times when I would have loved to have got you know uh-huh to left to have left my kids and you know
[speaker002:] um-hum to get out yeah that's true I think and everybody feels that way at times at least
[speaker001:] I'm sure they do
[speaker002:] and then also that you'd love to be home at
[speaker001:] I'm sure that's so too
[speaker002:] at other times but uh one thing I think it does do is it it it forces it forces you to make your children be organized and
[speaker001:] and I think it makes them more independent um-hum
[speaker002:] and independent that's right that |
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Well, discussing air pollution today, I guess.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, uh, well, give me your first impressions.
[speaker001:] Uh, I don't know, there's a lot of air pollution.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Um, I think industries and companies provide a lot of it
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, with, uh, I guess with the oil burning over in Kuwait and stuff, that would have a lot of air pollution in it.
[speaker002:] Uh, puts a whole, yeah, gets a whole new picture to what real air pollution can be, but, uh, that stuff going on over there. What, what, uh, what part of Pennsylvania are you in?
[speaker001:] Um, I'm north of Pittsburgh, so.
[speaker002:] Okay, okay, so, it's, it's amazing too, you know, with that, with the oil wells burning over there, that's the exact same stuff that's coming out of cars every day, just in, uh, just in a little different grade, I guess.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, uh, in Dallas, we've got, we've just, uh, brought in a whole new set of requirements on inspections and things like that for cars, because, uh, people just don't use mass transit and stuff in Dallas. Everybody loves their car, and you see an awful lot of, uh, one person vehicles on the road on, during rush hours. That seems to be our biggest problem down here. Um, you know, there's, uh, there's a lot of industry around, but, uh, it's not, it's any pollution that industry's dumping around here is not going into the air. It's typically water [LAUGHTER] type situation.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Um. We have a couple, we have like a steel mill and a couple refineries and stuff, and I know there's a lot of air pollution going in there, and like they, they get fined whenever they do the air pollution
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but the fine is nothing, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, it's,
[speaker001:] it's like nothing to them.
[speaker002:] like, like two hours of output or something like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah,
[speaker002:] That's true, that's true.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, a, uh, I grew up in South Dakota, so I was never, [LAUGHTER] I was never exposed
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] to anything of, of the, of the sort. Um, there were always E P A people and what not were always telling us that, uh, farm chemicals and what not were destroying our water system and all that
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but we just, we just never saw the results. There was, there was dust in the air during planting seasons and what not, but that, that was all we ever saw, and then five years ago I moved to Dallas, and I suddenly started to understand what burning eyes, and all that stuff is about that I'd always heard about. It, uh, it's, it gets, it's real depressing. In the morning sometime you can tell if it's a good day or a bad day by, uh, how far out from downtown, uh, you can be on the road and still not see it.
[speaker001:] Oh, my God [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] And, uh, yeah, I mean, it's not, I don't think Dallas is considered, uh, a real bad place for air pollution, but, you, you can tell, you can tell the differences in the days, when it's, when the haze is kind of yellowish gray instead of just being a, a foggy, misty color
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, it, it's a little, it's a little disappointing sometimes you start to realize what you're breathing.
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah, but, I don't know what they can do to really prevent it, you know. Like, how, what can they do about the oil burning over in Kuwait? What, you know, I mean they fine the industries, but you know, that doesn't seem to stop them there
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I don't know what else they can do.
[speaker002:] Right. It, it's that there really isn't a whole lot. It's one of those, uh, [throat clearing] it's one of those things that if they do a little bit and, uh, and, you know, e-, every little bit does help, I do believe that. Um, but I also believe that the earth is a kind of a self-regulating system, and, uh, it will clean itself up, eventually. It, the whole idea is not to, not to push the limit too hard, I guess
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] let the, you know, let the natural, natural systems take care of the problem as much as possible.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I, yeah, I just don't understand, you know, what else anyone can do about it. I don't think it's something that people really think about, either.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You know, it's, I mean, it, it should probably be a big issue, you know, because it's, it's doing a lot of damage, but I, it's something, you know, I don't think many people really think about it, because it's nothing they, I don't think we really have too much control over it.
[speaker002:] Right. And it's one of those things, it, it's so hard to measure what, what the damage is
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it's kind of like, oh, I guess it's kind of like, kind of like cigarette smoking, you know. It, it could go on for years and years until they start to see some results and people can actually, actually say, Yeah, it's, it's, it's doing, doing some damage
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and something's got to be done. Um, there's, you know, there's a lot of things like that. It, you can, uh, you can pound on something for a long time before it finally breaks, but until it breaks, you don't really know that there, you were doing anything to it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, exactly.
[speaker002:] But, uh,
[speaker001:] Well, I really don't know [LAUGHTER] too much else about it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, that's, that's, I think we both agree it's, it's one of those deals that, uh, I just think there's a lot of other problems right now
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, we've done a lot to take care of it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, we have tried, I mean, you know, and, um, I, I know where, you know, where a couple of the mills that have, I know they put things on their stacks, you know, to filter the smoke, and do all kinds of things, but, I mean, every now and then it breaks, you know, and
[speaker002:] Oh, sure.
[speaker001:] and you just have smoke going out into the air for a day or two, until you can get it fixed.
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] and so, so, you know, it's something we, we have tried to help.
[speaker002:] Oh, there's no doubt about it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I don't know if you ever happened to see some of the like, Twenty Twenty and what not about Rumania and East Germany when they first got pictures out of there
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] about how some of their systems had been running for twenty and thirty years
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, you know, they had absolutely no regulations, no controls whatsoever, and they had destroyed entire forests and what not, just because the air was so polluted. That's, that's the kind of things that, uh, you don't see in this country, and that's, that's why I think that, you know, it's, I don't know if you can ever do enough, but, uh, I think it's all relative to the, to the time and place, and I think right now it's, it's pretty much under control.
[speaker001:] Yeah, okay, well.
[speaker002:] All righty.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. It's been nice talking to you.
[speaker002:] Well, you bet.
[speaker001:] Okay, bye-bye.
[speaker002:] Bye. |
[speaker002:] um are you from this area
[speaker001:] I'm from Dallas yeah
[speaker002:] oh okay I'm in Garland so well I'm in Dallas right now but I'm living in Garland um
[speaker001:] okay um-hum
[speaker002:] well I don't know if you know but Garland has got a real big recycling center that in fact we went to yesterday you drive up and you take the stuff out of your trunk and they have different bins for the different materials like clear glass and colored glass and plastics and uh they have all the different plastics separated by those little symbols on the bottom that's pretty neat my my daughter is four and she's real interested in recycling so we're we're trying to promote that because she thought we just put them in a special trash can and threw them away but
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we went to the recycling center to show her what we actually did with them uh does Dallas have a curbside recycling program yet
[speaker001:] um well I don't know if Dallas is Richardson does
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] um they started with newspapers and uh of course aluminum cans and and bottles and plastic
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I didn't know there were different types of plastic though
[speaker002:] hum yeah um like soda bottles are one kind one type of plastic and milk jugs are one type of plastic you can tell it's got it'll most of the recyclable containers have a little symbol on the bottom with little with the arrows around it that tells whether it's a one or a two or a three
[speaker001:] um-hum oh
[speaker002:] it's it's just different kind of plastics like the clear plastic is different from that milky looking plastic know that's what the different types are
[speaker001:] oh okay yeah it seems to be made out of something different
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yes I I know there's a long scientific name but it's like polytechnochloride and all that fun stuff um I like
[speaker001:] uh um-hum
[speaker002:] I don't know if if they do it all over but our Kroger does a a newspaper recycling every Saturday you can drive up and they have one of the clerks out there no the bag boys out there um that will take the papers newspaper out of your car and they'll put it in their little bin and they do the recycling I mean they collect the newspapers and their plastic the plastic grocery bags
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] which I think is pretty neat that's something since we all have seem to have an abundance of those plastic grocery bags I know we use them for trash can liners and a lot of other things
[speaker001:] hum that's right yeah um-hum lunch bags and
[speaker002:] yeah yeah in fact I have one today it's um-hum the only problem with those is sometimes they get holes in the bottom
[speaker001:] right yeah they didn't
[speaker002:] and it's like whoops there goes my chips okay fine
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] now I in fact did you happen to see twenty twenty the other night
[speaker001:] uh no
[speaker002:] they did a program or the one of their articles was on recycling and or it was actually on a a town that has a dump that they charge other cities or towns to come in and dump their trash there they have made so much money from that that they built they bought a brand new fire engine and when the fire engine was delivered the fire house wasn't big enough so they mought bought a new or built a new one paid for it in cash with the money that they've earned from this landfill
[speaker001:] um-hum oh
[speaker002:] they have built up one mountain they call it Mount Trashmore they built up one mountain covered it with grass and put ski lifts on it and in the winter they put snow on it and they charge to ski on it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so the city gets the money from that they built a golf course at the bottom and they get the money from that it's like that's it's a it's Riverview Ohio or some place up there
[speaker001:] wow um-hum
[speaker002:] but it was I thought it was a pretty neat idea they I mean their city hall looked better it was nicer than Dallas' and they only have fourteen thousand people in the city
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] and they like the trash so I like well okay but I thought that was pretty neat it it would be nice if more communities could do that but you have to know from beginning and you have to have the space to do it and
[speaker001:] yeah they'll run out of space before long
[speaker002:] yeah see that's well they're already planning a second mountain so they're gonna get going to be called the Twin Peaks I was like uh-huh go back to the TV shows
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] this it would be nice if more communities could get really involved in recycling oh it's we I know like I said I've got a two year old and a four year old and that's my daughter thinks that anytime she sees newspapers bundled up they're being recycled so it's like well no honey so that like so that was one reason we went to show her
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] what people did with their their stuff when they recycled it and try to explain well yeah you melt down the cans and you make them into new things and you get the paper all wet and you make it into new paper and
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] that's fun trying to explain that to a four year old oh so do y'all go ahead and
[speaker001:] right yeah they don't even know that paper comes from trees yet so
[speaker002:] well yeah she that was the her next question was how do you grow paper
[speaker001:] how do you grow paper
[speaker002:] was like well from trees um that's why you have to cut down trees and why you have to plant more trees
[speaker001:] um-hum and how do you grow aluminum
[speaker002:] yeah exactly um well let's see um we really don't but and then she was like well what do you do with the glass well
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] you crunch it up real small and then you melt it down well what if it breaks well okay it it it was an interesting weekend trying to explain all that fun stuff to her
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but at least she knows that that is something that people need to be doing and she got our baby sitter to start recycling her newspapers and cans because that's all she talked about so I guess what
[speaker001:] um-hum |
[speaker002:] my name's Mary Dell and I live in the Dallas Texas area where there's a lot of pollution
[speaker001:] okay and I'm up in Wisconsin uh my name is Terry
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh in the small town we don't but uh we're not that far from the city where there's tons of pollution
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] okay I'll go ahead and start recording that
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] okay um just in particular here in the Twin Cities we have a lot of big corporations and um I'm sure there's a lot of pollution we uh before moving to Wisconsin lived across from where they were um
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] gravel pits and also where they were making tar and so we would occasionally if the wind was blowing the right direction would get the smell of tar and
[speaker002:] um-hum ooh
[speaker001:] it would uh smell the continuous you knew that you were also breathing that into your lungs so and it was like miles away but just the idea of having that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] come across the way it did in the wind kind of made you know that there was a lot of pollution and that was just one small corporation that was doing the pollution of that but
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] also um where we also lived too it was very close to a highway so we got a lot of fumes from uh trucks
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and cars and you would literally see the pollution on your furniture I mean it was on your tables you would dust every day and it was dirty um
[speaker002:] oh gosh
[speaker001:] type of uh dust I mean it wasn't the typical dust that you get way out in the country
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] um I live in a small um town now quite a ways from the Twin Cities about an hour away and I may dust once a week and that's all it needs versus every day when I lived in the city
[speaker002:] huh I'd never thought about that being a cause I have to dust a lot as well
[speaker001:] so oh yeah it it comes right on through through the screens the only way that you could
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] actually live in the in the city is to close your windows and have an air cleaner system right in your home that would take the air from the outside and clean the air before it would get into the house
[speaker002:] um-hum my goodness
[speaker001:] and so it was quite a dirty city um if if you were well protected by trees which catch a lot of the pollution
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] then you're fine but most of the time in the city you have lots of high rises you have lots of other things that are not catching the pollution and it's just going for miles and miles and miles and it's landing somewhere with the wind but
[speaker002:] um-hum that's kind of the way Dallas is we're so flat and open and I live in a suburb that doesn't have much vegetation trees it was all cotton fields so
[speaker001:] sure sure
[speaker002:] we don't have that advantage and ours I think is primarily cars where we don't carpool like we should
[speaker001:] yes yes
[speaker002:] an airport I work in a building I'm nineteen floors up and I look out toward DFW International and there's just an awful brown haze all the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I can imagine it's even worse for people living over near the airport
[speaker001:] oh sure sure yeah it's I mean our air quality um in the Twin Cities is a lot better than what we've heard about California and maybe in
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] the other areas but um they were always talking about the air quality of today is this you know the ozone or whatever and it's kind of scary because the air is something we take for granted
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] and many people are too busy getting to work not thinking about okay I could have carpooled with a friend even
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] my husband was uh talking to some of the guys at work now he's uh fifteen miles away from work but he was talking wouldn't it be nice to carpool and the guy says well it's too close it wouldn't pay and so
[speaker002:] um-hum want to meet my own schedule those are the arguments we hear
[speaker001:] yeah and exactly exactly and so my husband says well that's fine you know it would save quite a bit on the wear and tear on cars and you know the gas
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and no everybody has their preference to drive by themselves or if they do they they drive with one little buddy uh at least it's with one person but most of the time people are saying forget it I don't want to carpool it's too much of a hassle it's too much involvement but yet
[speaker002:] um-hum but we're paying for it
[speaker001:] yes we are and I think of my daughter and I'm sure you think of your children and you kind of say to yourself what kind of future will they have when they think back and say well my parents did have the choice to kind of make a difference and I think people are trying
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but they have to change attitudes
[speaker002:] and it seems to me that it's already so evident with our children having a lot more respiratory infections than we had growing up
[speaker001:] um-hum sure
[speaker002:] you can really see it I I had a chance to go to Bolivia a couple years ago and of course there's no industry
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] very little trash they they don't even have that much that they burn because they consume everything down to the thread and it amazed me I I just had totally forgotten how blessed
[speaker001:] sure sure well they |
[speaker001:] okay I'll just go with you first what kind of eating out do you enjoy
[speaker002:] okay well I like dining out of course it means that I don't have to cook but um I'm a divorced woman I have one child and you know when when we dine out
[speaker001:] right um-hum
[speaker002:] we go to like medium priced restaurants I don't I don't particularly I think it's sort of a waste of money to go real to a real high priced restaurant
[speaker001:] um-hum do you go like home cooking like Black-Eyed Pea and that kind of thing or cafeteria
[speaker002:] um yeah um not really we go more for the um Chinese and Italian and stuff like that Mexican stuff that I can't cook yeah
[speaker001:] me too uh-huh Mexican uh-huh uh we do too we do the same what are your favorite places
[speaker002:] um well I like Chinese food um uh there's a little place down on what is that Coit Road um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] Chinese Pavilion or something that is really good and I like it and um I do I do like Chinese buffets
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh yeah well we go we've gone to August Moon and we think that was real good but our favorite when you have a little more to spend is to go to Taiwan or May Dragon
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and those are excellent they're really a nice place you could take someone to eat it's not the the rinky-dink Chinese decorations but it's a very elegant nice place to eat we go
[speaker002:] right uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] very very often we go out for fajitas that's my husband's just gotten stuck and we go to On the Border
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and lots of places that have uh I think Costa Rosa and some of those and get fajitas and he'll just eat chips till we've got three or four baskets coming back
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and then uh last weekend we went out for Italian also and for some reason the cooler weather makes me tend to wanna go eat lasagna and garlic bread so we went to El Sorrento
[speaker002:] right uh-huh uh-huh have yeah have you ever um tried Pappasito's
[speaker001:] and it was fun you know what this is that's real funny you said that because we were coming back Sunday on Central from church and Bob pointed to it and he said I keep hearing good things about that place we're gonna have to go
[speaker002:] oh it is delicious
[speaker001:] that's what he said that in fact you're about the third or fourth person in the last month that said that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so I guess we'll have to do it he
[speaker002:] it's you always stand in line when you go but it's worth the wait
[speaker001:] that's what that's what it D Magazine said that it said there was always a line but that's probably I mean that's a good that's a good sign
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh and have you ever tried um the Macaroni Grill up on
[speaker001:] yes we did now my kids didn't like it because they just wanted to get plain old spaghetti
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] or lasagna and most of those things were a little more northern Italy
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and they like just the traditional they're not very
[speaker002:] that they're they're the Spaghetti Warehouse type right yeah yeah my little girl likes uh Spaghetti Warehouse real well it's real entertaining for her
[speaker001:] yes they are exactly exactly the place of the seventies um-hum yeah most kids do what do you ever go for steak just a steak and potato and salad bar that kind of thing
[speaker002:] um not really that's a steak something that I cook at home
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know that that you grill out and I really don't particularly um
[speaker001:] yeah well I'm I'm real curious to try this one that has such horrid commercials the uh that Del Lincoln and oh what is that guy's name they do those real corny commercials
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] it's um over there's one over there in Addison I can't remember his name anyhow it's some
[speaker002:] steak
[speaker001:] yeah it's some famous steak place over in Addison there's a there's a second one downtown and they have these really corny radio commercials but their steak their steak is supposed to be wonderful so I had I had not tried that my husband was saying that up north they have such nice restaurants where you can go after a theater or after the movie
[speaker002:] uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] and it seems like I've been we we found those one time and then they discontinued it was over in Addison and then they um closed up so most of these places are pretty much just uh theme restaurants around here
[speaker002:] hm yes right I think that's what goes you know really goes right now in the in the Dallas area of course you know down
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] next to downtown up around McKinney and everything you know there's just a there's a different class
[speaker001:] uh-huh well that's exactly true that's right
[speaker002:] of restaurants up there that I can't even touch
[speaker001:] that's right yeah that's right
[speaker002:] you know it'd probably take my whole paycheck just to go in and have one meal up there but um
[speaker001:] that's even yeah that's right uh-huh I had a friend who was taken to Lawry's downtown for prime rib and I haven't been we usually don't go for beef really anymore we're we've gotten so used to doing chicken and things at home that that's that's usually the way we'll go if we're not going lasagna
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh right um-hum um-hum yeah when when I go out it's it's normally to get um some specialty type of food besides you know because you chicken and steaks and everything I grill at home
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum I know well I understand
[speaker002:] and and really it's they're a lot better than what I get in the restaurant that's right saves you a little bit money
[speaker001:] that's right and save you some money too well now what your what's your child's favorite place to eat
[speaker002:] um favorite place uh she has a lot Taco Bell yeah that's right
[speaker001:] oh yeah they're easy yeah well
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] mine enjoy that too they like to go pretty much where we like to go and they'll and then our favorite thing on Fridays we generally order pizza in so not Pizza Inn but pizza to our house
[speaker002:] um-hum right right uh-huh
[speaker001:] so we've done that well um is there anything else you'd like to discuss about it I think we've I think it's come to a nice conclusion so I'll talk with you later thank you bye-bye
[speaker002:] no not that I know of uh-huh thank you bye-bye |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] okay what's what's your most recent one that you've seen
[speaker001:] well actually what I do I haven't been to a movie theater in probably eight or nine months
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I haven't really seen any movies in the movie theater but I rent probably four or five movies a week
[speaker002:] really I used to do that too but I haven't been doing it lately but
[speaker001:] we've got a good video place out here and uh uh oh gosh uh I'm just trying to think of all the movies I've recently seen uh oh Air America
[speaker002:] no see I haven't seen that one uh
[speaker001:] have you seen Wild Orchid
[speaker002:] no is it good
[speaker001:] well it depends do you like uh steamy movies
[speaker002:] uh no not yet I know that sounds funny coming from a woman but usually I don't
[speaker001:] oh okay what type of movies do you like
[speaker002:] um um action I I guess one of my favorite well two of my favorite movies is probably like Lethal Weapon and Lethal Weapon Two and those are those are like two of my most favorite I mean they're just really good movies and I liked Bird on a Wire
[speaker001:] okay yeah
[speaker002:] and movies like that
[speaker001:] do you like suspense movies or do you like uh just action or
[speaker002:] um yeah some I guess like what do you mean like like are you talking about movies like Die Hard Two or
[speaker001:] oh Jagged Edge Jagged Edge was a suspenseful one or uh Fatal Attraction
[speaker002:] okay yeah I liked that that was pretty good um that was okay I I don't I guess I thought it was too far fetched but so many people said oh no it wasn't you know but I guess
[speaker001:] oh well I hope I don't run across them
[speaker002:] really that's true because I don't know I just didn't find that one to be real I I just thought it was too far fetched
[speaker001:] what was your favorite all time movie
[speaker002:] um oh gosh I don't I can't think off my head do you know which one yours was
[speaker001:] I I have to say that probably the one movie that really threw me back the most uh that I was really the most in shock with was probably uh Star Wars
[speaker002:] oh yeah well that's
[speaker001:] when that first came out I really did not expect the special effects or anything like that I mean
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I guess uh out of all the movies I've I've never been as excited to go back I was ready to go back and see it again you know
[speaker002:] really yeah yeah you're right about that but that that's really like an all time classic I mean I don't think anybody anything could ever beat that
[speaker001:] now I I also liked uh oh Gone with the Wind or some of the classic like The Lawrence of Arabia
[speaker002:] see I've never seen that
[speaker001:] oh you haven't
[speaker002:] no should I rent it should I go rent it tomorrow
[speaker001:] oh yeah no that's uh that's a that's a real interesting movie and it's got a good historical perspective to it
[speaker002:] that's probably something I need to see right now because I'm taking history in school so it'd probably be a good thing for me to see
[speaker001:] oh yeah actually I just saw a movie uh called The Lost Capone
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and it's about Al Capone's brothers
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] primarily one of his brothers and I won't give the the whole plot away but it's it's really a good movie uh Al Capone had three brothers
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and one of them was lost for many many years and uh he actually he turns out to be a law man
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] yeah it's really interesting it
[speaker002:] oh you just gave it away I guess I can't go see it no I just kidding
[speaker001:] no that's okay I didn't give away the whole thing I just gave away just enough to get you interested
[speaker002:] that does sound good is it one I guess it's a rental
[speaker001:] yeah it is
[speaker002:] okay I may have to do that go see it or go rent it
[speaker001:] and a lot of times what I wind up doing is picking say an actor or an actress
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and seeing like all I've seen all of James Dean's movies
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh all of Mae West's movies and just kind of kind of go out and uh rent all the movies and uh uh you know just kind of go I guess you could do that you know get all of David Carradine's movies or uh um Segal to what's his first name
[speaker002:] uh-huh um
[speaker001:] I can't remember his first name
[speaker002:] it's not David is it
[speaker001:] is it David Segal I don't know he was on uh on uh uh Arsenio
[speaker002:] oh I don't I don't watch that um
[speaker001:] just recently it was really kind of interesting because Arsenio was asking him about uh
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] what he thought of uh one of the other action guys God I can't even remember the name he said well he wouldn't really talk about it didn't want to talk about him because he didn't think he was such a uh a good action guy
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] it wasn't Stallone it was uh I can't remember shoot I can't remember the guys name but I like all the the Rambo movies
[speaker002:] oh see I didn't really care that's that's one side of the action I guess that I didn't really care for but see I don't really like Sylvester Stallone
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't think he's really a very good actor I know that sounds awful because so many people think he's so wonderful but I just have never been a Stallone fan
[speaker001:] yo Adrian
[speaker002:] hey that's pretty good no I guess like I say I just have I don't know I just have never seen any interest in him but
[speaker001:] no we we actually rent uh probably a good good combination of movies with the exception of horror films
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] don't watch really very many horror films at all
[speaker002:] yeah I don't either
[speaker001:] you know I don't know there's something about people coming up through the sofa to get you or something you know it's just you know
[speaker002:] yeah you're right
[speaker001:] coming out of the TV that just doesn't make my day you know
[speaker002:] well it's so I guess I'm a real I'm a realist and so when I watch movies like that it's like this can not happen so I just don't enjoy it you know because it's just like come on give me a break you know I mean I just and so many of them are done so poorly
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] you know that it just doesn't even give you the effect I mean some of them are done good and they do scare you but um so many of them are just done real I don't know I'm not really into those
[speaker001:] I just saw uh uh a really interesting movie called uh Flatliners
[speaker002:] oh that was one of my favorites yes I thought that was a very good movie
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I was really impress ed with that one I mean it was what I liked about it was that it was a new subject nobody had ever touched it before
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know and it was just it was done so well you know it was just
[speaker001:] it was just crazy enough for the you know students might try to do it you know I mean and it's not like there's a lot of scientific data on it
[speaker002:] right well that's probably true but it was a very good movie it was done real well too I mean there wasn't any part of it that you really felt like no this can't happen it seemed real it seemed real you know it was really good
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that that was one I mean it's not my all time favorite movie but it was good it was really good
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and um I don't know if you like this kind but I thought Pretty Woman was a really good movie too
[speaker001:] oh yeah that was a great movie
[speaker002:] yeah I've we've seen that two or three times we waited and we rented it you know but but it was really good
[speaker001:] yeah uh have you seen Shrimp on the Barbie
[speaker002:] no I haven't I don't know if I've even heard of that one it must have uh what's his name in it
[speaker001:] yeah it's got no
[speaker002:] no it doesn't
[speaker001:] no uh Hogan yeah no no
[speaker002:] really yeah Paul Hogan no really I'm surprised
[speaker001:] no it's got uh uh Cheech Marin
[speaker002:] oh really that must be pretty good then was it good
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it is it's kind of uh kind of a poor man's Pretty Woman in reverse
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but it was kind of cute actually did you see Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
[speaker002:] yes yes
[speaker001:] I though that was a really cute movie I enjoyed that
[speaker002:] yeah it was Twins was good too because when I thought of that I thought of anyway um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] oh there was another one what's the one that just oh Dances with Wolves have you seen that yet oh you've got to see that one
[speaker001:] no I haven't I hear that's the one that you really need to see at the theater instead of home video
[speaker002:] it's really right that's probably true that's probably true it's it's very very good very good that's another one that I was really glad when it won all those awards because it really deserved it
[speaker001:] uh well my wife uh has got a uh a picture from Kevin Costner and he signed it it's from Dances with Wolves yeah and he signed it he he happens to be uh a friend of one of her her business associates
[speaker002:] really oh wow that's impressive
[speaker001:] and all right not not a friend a cousin
[speaker002:] oh neat
[speaker001:] a cousin so uh uh but anyhow we got uh we got a nice uh picture and it came in an envelope that says Dances with Wolves so we've got to uh try to get out there and see that one
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's really worth it I mean it's a very good movie and yes I would suggest seeing it at the theater I know that they're still playing it and they pushed it back to playing it in the theaters until like August
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I think because they were they were scheduling a video release of it in July and then when it won all those awards uh they pushed it back to August so but yeah that one is definitely worth seeing it's really good
[speaker001:] now did you see uh Driving Miss Daisy
[speaker002:] yeah and you know I didn't think that one was near as good
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] you know I guess it was okay I mean it was all right but um when I compare like the winners of this year and last year it it just I don't know maybe it's it's not |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] well I do not know how big a city is Rome I mean you have heard about Dallas and the the crime here is pretty bad
[speaker001:] well Rome pretty small but uh we hear a lot about uh New York City there is a lot of crime down there and I am I am afraid to go down there because
[speaker002:] yeah I was going to say uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know I mean you hear about people getting mugged You leave your car for ten minutes and it is stripped when you come back so
[speaker002:] yeah have you ever been there
[speaker001:] no I have not only to the airport
[speaker002:] that is uh probably enough to see um are you in college right now
[speaker001:] no I am I work at for the Air Force so there is a base up here and
[speaker002:] oh okay are base that's interesting interesting concept are bases safe you know
[speaker001:] bases are pretty safe because they check your ID on your way in and
[speaker002:] yeah the they uh minimize the access
[speaker001:] right but even so we had a um um at New Years we had some people come in and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] like attack one of the planes because they were protesting uh the presence over in the Persian Gulf
[speaker002:] oh no sure oh great that's wonderful yeah well Dallas uh we lived in Minneapolis uh we moved here about ten months ago and
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] Dallas is pretty uh well we live in north Texas north Dallas which is like a suburb near a suburb called Plano so we are out of the city but it is uh it is bad everywhere in terms of uh you know the handgun situation um the number of rapes the number of muggings just it's it's I would not say it is not as bad as New York but it is pretty scary you know people put bars on their windows in certain neighborhoods and you know they call them ornamental grates but they are still bars
[speaker001:] yeah yep that makes it bad for getting out during a fire
[speaker002:] yeah it really does and if you're a little bit claustrophobic but uh I don't know I mean the jails are crowded I I I'm not a criminal justice specialist so I don't know what you know what can be done I'm
[speaker001:] I don't I don't know it seems to I think it is getting worse because I keep hearing things like I when I was home I went home my parents live in Boston but I went home and we were watching TV and
[speaker002:] you know uh-huh
[speaker001:] this thing came on where these a group of like five or six guys went and filmed themselves beating up people in the street and and robbing them and it was really disgusting and my mom was like they should just be all shot right now and
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] I mean you hear
[speaker002:] were they teenagers or like that girl in New York that got beat up by you know when she was jogging in Central Park a couple of years ago
[speaker001:] um yeah yeah um they weren't I think they were early twenties they were young men
[speaker002:] huh yeah but they so they weren't you know and were they uh were they were they obviously poor or deprived you know that is really strange sick
[speaker001:] I know and how deprived could they be if they had a camcorder those are a thousand bucks
[speaker002:] yeah unless they stole it and I mean that is one big thing down here I mean they have like uh and they are not all young I mean they are eighteen to twenty four some of the young men and women but I mean you can you can see the Crime Stoppers ads on television or sometimes it's the same people that have been that have been observed and they still can't catch them
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and you are wondering how you know um we lived in Minneapolis and Wisconsin I mean there was all kind of I I know I I I know it is getting worse I do not know what the world is or is not um the in a small town in Wisconsin near Madison um a young boy somehow got a hold of a shotgun and killed his parents and his three brothers and sisters
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and the child had and he they said that he was twelve years old and he had uh he had not uh displayed any tendencies deviant or disturbed or whatever you know and you are thinking to yourself um I know
[speaker001:] yeah I wonder where I do not know I wonder where he gets it you know you must I think TV is bad because they uh show all sorts of violence on
[speaker002:] that and I don't think a lot of parents I mean I don't I don't know how it is in the Air Force base but uh I just don't think a lot of people because of the economy both need to work you know I just don't think a lot of parents are that involved any more
[speaker001:] yeah they don't they don't talk to their kids and take them out and and aren't there all the time so the kids are off to their own devices a lot
[speaker002:] right and discipline I do not know how your folks were but I mean I sure knew as heck when I was growing up that uh my parents were
[speaker001:] oh definitely
[speaker002:] the superior and I was the subordinate and you know it was sort of like there were boundaries and I do not think I do not know I think today a lot of parents um are ruled by their kids I I
[speaker001:] I think so definitely when you go to a restaurant like kids are running all over the place they
[speaker002:] yeah right I mean they're not learning such as well like boundaries I mean I don't I see it in work place too sometimes I do not know how old you are but you sound a little bit younger than me but I am in my thirties and I I I see um even people that work with me that are ten years younger that you know they kind of have an attitude that I hate I I hate to say it but it's that's just what it is it is an attitude like the world owes them something
[speaker001:] yep but right I I see that too in the Air Force especially oh yeah a lot of uh especially since a lot of us are engineers where I work
[speaker002:] do you are you in the Air Force okay
[speaker001:] I'm in the Air Force and so people outside the Air Force doing engineering get paid a lot more than we do and so all the young engineers are like well I am just going you know get it for all it is worth and that you know and I am like you are the one who signed up if you did not want to do it and
[speaker002:] sure right right right and the Air Force is one of the bitter better military supposedly military military experiences I mean
[speaker001:] yep it is I like it but uh
[speaker002:] pardon me
[speaker001:] I like it so far
[speaker002:] I mean that is are you going to be a career person I'm digressing but I don't talk to many people in the military so I am
[speaker001:] oh probably not but um they pay for my college so
[speaker002:] that's the way to do it I mean and that's you know at least the Air Force is I don't know I just um I am nervous in Dallas I mean I you know I mean I go to like an aerobics class or something you know I um seventy women in your average size exercise class in a public um parks and rec building and you are supposed to feel safe but then there are all these it doesn't matter race but you know it's an inter-racial mix and you see these guys standing there watching you jump around in your leotards leotards
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] and I do not even think that way but I mean you just think to yourself you you just I mean nobody can think that that it can't happen to them no matter who they are or where they are at you know
[speaker001:] it yeah and you never know who is watching either
[speaker002:] I mean did you I do not know I was in the grocery store this morning we um went to New Orleans for four days and came back late last night driving it's about seven hours um and that's a very we had never been there that's a very very neat town to visit uh in terms of the French Quarter and all of th e things you hear about but the crime is so bad there
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] I mean in all the tourist brochures you read about what you should or should not do how to carry your wallet um
[speaker001:] uh-huh this is New Orleans oh I'd hate to be there during Mardi Gras let
[speaker002:] New Orleans yeah I would never yeah you just don't don't even bother it's not worth it uh the when we came back I don't know if you have seen I was in the super market this morning and on the cover of Time magazine there is a girl she is in Boston she is on the east coast somewhere real attractive young girl college freshman I college coed I think she is a freshman she'd been dating a fellow for several weeks and they went back to her dorm room and date rape I mean and it just
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] she she looked anguished I mean it was really just sad I mean didn't pick it up and read it but I should have but I just looked at the picture and thought what a world
[speaker001:] I know
[speaker002:] I mean I do not yeah I do not have any uh cure
[speaker001:] you can't trust anybody it's it's really scary
[speaker002:] no you really can't I mean I they we lease out a really nice two story town home in North Dallas and they have a real big thing here people I mean even dry cleaners knock on the door and are soliciting you know they everybody wants your business kind of thing and my husband is the kind of guy he's
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] he's sometime he was raised on a farm in southern Ohio near Dayton and think sometimes it is just he and I are very different in terms of that I I mean I basically have started not to trust anybody in general street smarts
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh he opened the door I came downstairs and I was real upset and I probably got more nasty than I should have but I just said Howard you know oh my God I would not I mean
[speaker001:] well you you hear about people opening the door and getting blown away or people you know
[speaker002:] oh yeah And it does I mean it is it is not a reason I mean I have been to New York You shouldn't deny yourself going to visit and all that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh but it is not any worse I used to work for a mortgage company that was owned by uh are you from Boston
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] Home Owners Savings and Loan in Boston and I know I never felt
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean I've been to downtown New York City and I've been to downtown Boston and I never felt any safer on Milk Street in Boston staying at the Meridian I didn't pay for but I mean I never felt any safer there than I did in any other city in any other city I have been in you know
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] so I would say one thing do not deny yourself the New York experience but experience but go with people that you know
[speaker001:] yeah I wouldn't want to go by myself
[speaker002:] no uh but I mean it yeah I don't know I mean I I guess I could go on and on about what to do about criminals uh I think the handgun I'm not real big on guns myself so I mean
[speaker001:] uh-huh I think our justice system needs to be stricter I mean because everyone they do it and then they get out in a couple of years it seems like
[speaker002:] are the New York uh are the New York I do not know how the New York state prison system is but
[speaker001:] they are booked up yeah
[speaker002:] are they booked up that is a way to put it they are booked up Are they paroling uh like murderers and I mean here it is just a real big deal they parole people that have killed police officers and then they are out doing it again
[speaker001:] right um I do not I do not know because I am not real up on a lot of news things but you know you just hear about that that you know it is a lot of repeat crime
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and you are like why are they repeating they should have been in there longer or
[speaker002:] I know and then you think I mean I have I mean I can remember I haven't been out of school that long but it has been at least ten years and you think to yourself was it that bad back then or is it just I think that like you said television is it just that more people think there is like excitement in it you know I mean people that may have been close to the edge just go over because they see something or read something
[speaker001:] it seems like a lot of it that it is more like in Boston there was a case of uh a couple of kids fifteen year olds they wanted to see what it was like to kill someone so they they picked on this kid who was like new in town and they were like well no one was going to miss him anyway
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know and it like ugh that is horrible how can you even think like that
[speaker002:] oh God it it is yeah isn't it something I mean I I have a I am originally from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and I have a niece and nephew and I just um I mean my ten year old nephew says things that he is aware of that I am just going Michael how did you hear about that you know it is just I think kids get too much too fast and all those sort of things in Atlanta where my inlaws live um they had that thing you know the high top sneakers the Air Jordans et cetera
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] kids killing each other and beating their brains out you know right or the or the jackets the team like the Raiders and the caps you know stealing the hundred dollar jackets um
[speaker001:] oh for the sneakers yeah yep
[speaker002:] I mean it is I guess it goes from the most petty like that to like what you were saying that they in Boston that is crime where they videoed that is probably one of the most bizarre I have heard of where they videotape themselves
[speaker001:] yep yeah it seems like a crime is turning into a pastime instead of like you know be |
[speaker001:] I'm sorry um hobbies let me see I don't know if that took or not I'll do it again
[speaker002:] that's okay I didn't hear okay okay
[speaker001:] okay what are your hobbies I hear you have kids right that's your full time uh hobby right
[speaker002:] you you heard her in the background that's babies takes a lot of time huh I like uh most sports I like to do that I kind of like to do a little bit of sewing
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] oh little bit of embroidery work once in a while what do you like to do
[speaker001:] um-hum um I try to do some painting although I'm not very good at it um
[speaker002:] well I'm sure you probably are
[speaker001:] I well no not really
[speaker002:] you like it that's the main point right
[speaker001:] yeah I I have you know I inherited the genes that make me think I'm creative but not the ones that give me the ability to be so I always try
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] I I do some sewing mostly out of necessity um I'm making drapes for my house just because I'm
[speaker002:] oh boy that's hard sewing
[speaker001:] yeah well it isn't and it is it is you know actually the sewing isn't the hard part it's just being able to lay out the material and measure it because you need so much room
[speaker002:] measure it and get it uh well if it it depends on how elaborate you get it if you get pleats and all kinds of things
[speaker001:] yeah I've been doing that and that yeah that but usually I have to do the pleats by hand so that at least I can do it you know watching TV or whatever but
[speaker002:] that's a lot of work oh right right
[speaker001:] yeah and I've I've gone and you know put the needle through my thumb a few times trying to get it through but
[speaker002:] that feels really good
[speaker001:] yeah so that's not really my favorite thing to do or anything but I I need to do it
[speaker002:] you do it right
[speaker001:] I have let's see I have a dog and a lot of fish keeping fish I guess is my biggest hobby and
[speaker002:] keeping fish well they're probably easier than keeping dogs though aren't they
[speaker001:] um yes and no it depends on and how frequently they die and how much that bothers you
[speaker002:] oh no how much that bothers you and you probably have to clean out the tank uh
[speaker001:] that's you don't do as much as as I thought in fact my problem I had fish as a kid and they always died
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] I mean immediately and what I'm what I think now is the reason is I kept the tank too clean
[speaker002:] oh you're kidding because they need to have a little bit of the
[speaker001:] because you have right you need to let the bacteria build up and then it keeps all the chemicals in balance
[speaker002:] I say
[speaker001:] and I would just take everything out and just like you know wash it with scalding hot water and and it would kill all the bacteria and that would screw up all the chemical cycles again so
[speaker002:] oh no and so you'd have to start all over to build that up probably
[speaker001:] right that's right so now all I I only clean things to make things look more aesthetically pleasing and I don't try and sterilize things
[speaker002:] right right don't go through the whole nine yards and
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] they kind of need a little bit of that
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] so you've had fish for a long time
[speaker001:] well I've had them I guess it's been two years now I've had a a tank here and and then back at home I used to have a small you know five gallon tank but that never worked well and
[speaker002:] what size do you have there
[speaker001:] I have fifty five gallons now it's a lot easier
[speaker002:] oh that's good size have you ever had it to crack or break or leak I was just playing you fifty five gallons you'd hope it would never do that
[speaker001:] no no not yet that's right I really do but you know
[speaker002:] what do you have all kinds of different fish or
[speaker001:] yeah I just have you know what they call community fish you know guppies and platies and and basic things I don't get into the expensive right right the expensive ones
[speaker002:] um-hum real exotic huh well they're probably hardy to harder to take care of and
[speaker001:] they are and they're very expensive and you know when you die it's like it when when they die it's more like an investment you've lost an investment so
[speaker002:] yes I bet it is do you have problems with them uh your fish eating each other
[speaker001:] no not really only if there's baby fish you always have to isolate those
[speaker002:] right then you have to how do you isolate them
[speaker001:] you get um
[speaker002:] a jars something or
[speaker001:] well no they have uh breeders it's a little plastic thing that sort of floats
[speaker002:] okay okay
[speaker001:] and you put the mother fish in there and then it's got like a trough underneath her so as the babies come out they fall down the trough and there's a hole in the middle so they fall onto the bottom part of the chamber so the mother can't get to them either
[speaker002:] okay oh
[speaker001:] and that's you know it it kind of works but it's also got slots in it so the water can circulate and on occasion if you get a real small one it'll fit out the slots
[speaker002:] right they will go through the slot
[speaker001:] that's right so but you know it works I guess
[speaker002:] that works all right they they don't uh want want the mothers to be with the little fishies
[speaker001:] yeah oh they'll eat them yeah
[speaker002:] they will isn't that odd you wouldn't think that that
[speaker001:] yes it and it's funny because the one I have every single month without fail she has babies
[speaker002:] you're kidding
[speaker001:] and oh no all all the time and um I've and she's supposed to her variety it says they won't eat the babies and I've seen her do it
[speaker002:] uh-huh that just makes you sick almost doesn't it
[speaker001:] so oh it's terrible well I mean it makes you understand that you know things are different you know we might right we might decide what's proper and what isn't but you know that's the way it is for them
[speaker002:] yeah things are different in the animal kingdom huh yeah that's kind of the way they do it
[speaker001:] yeah that's it
[speaker002:] survival of the fittest or something
[speaker001:] yeah because if the baby's strong enough it can swim away fast enough and go hide
[speaker002:] right go hide from them well and then you think well how do they do it out in the real world anyway
[speaker001:] so yeah yeah
[speaker002:] when these little fish are in the tropicals or wherever they are
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] kind of trying to keep up with that but if you're like me you never have enough time for the hobbies
[speaker001:] huh no not really I I try I also I also I play a couple of instruments |
[speaker001:] yes um I I think that Plano has really done a fantastic job I mean at least their plans have are good um how however I was maybe you saw in the paper this morning that um they've had some problems with the recycling on plastic uh-huh I thought that was most interesting that
[speaker002:] with the plastic well I just I thought it was sad that they it started out as a good program
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but then people started dumping trash and the wrong objects in there and I and that concerned me that people were using it as a way to get rid of things they just didn't want to set at the curb or take to the dump and and uh
[speaker001:] yes yeah that's right yeah I guess that's going to happen
[speaker002:] I it's too bad that people have to ruin a good part thing
[speaker001:] yeah a really good effort that's right yeah
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] well I was thinking about the other day um when I when Dick and I were oh many many years ago when we were first married and he was in graduate school in Missouri um I went oh I was probably this was probably see it been like nineteen sixty seven or sixty eight um we I went to a meeting and uh one of the the speakers at the meeting was a woman who was recycling and um she was from Saint Louis and she had this fantastic um family effort in in recycling
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] and she was dividing her colored glass and her plastics and her aluminum and I thought wow I mean how one person is doing that you know but my my thought was
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] it's a shame I mean it's wonderful that she's doing it and it but wouldn't it be much much nicer if we all did it because her effort would have really um really uh been a good example for all of us and yet you know and we were just sort of talking about it at the time and here we are you know now we're doing it on a city wide basis in in communities so it's wonderful that we've come that far I think but
[speaker002:] doing it what did she do with if if she was she like a group that was doing it or was she doing it on her own and what did she do with the
[speaker001:] um I think she was I was trying to remember it seems to me that she was doing it on her own and living in Saint Louis there were places where she could actually take her uh things herself
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh and so it wasn't you know something that was being picked up or um and I think she was encouraging other people to do it if they would but I remember her saying yes I have a trash can for this and a trash can for that and a trash can for the other thing and I thought wow that's that is wonderful that somebody is doing that does that yeah
[speaker002:] you you have to really want to do it though this is even even what you recycle because we we do the the plastics and the and the aluminum and the glass and the paper
[speaker001:] uh-huh right yes
[speaker002:] and um and of course then you know you try to buy right too but um
[speaker001:] sure you do uh-huh
[speaker002:] a lot of our neighbors say well what you have to rinse out this and you have to make sure it's that and you have to it's uh we we had neighbors that complained when we got the new garbage cans
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh isn't that amazing
[speaker002:] and I thought what are you complaining about
[speaker001:] well you know
[speaker002:] when you're only going to get picked up once a month you know or once a week and
[speaker001:] yes people I don't know they find fault in everything rather than say this is a good effort yeah I don't know it's it's I understand I know what you're saying kind of people like that and
[speaker002:] rather than work with it yeah well it's for everybody's benefit I mean it's it's not so maybe we don't realize it in our lifetime but we you have to think grandchildren and great grandchildren and
[speaker001:] well sure it is yep yeah it's on down the line
[speaker002:] what kind of quality of life are you leaving them and and the and I have a real concern about that uh
[speaker001:] right yes yeah I agree when
[speaker002:] we've never had much trash because while while I was raised in a big family and and Gene's family wasn't big but they weren't rich
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and they had to to recycle and and you know the food well they didn't they just used things they didn't throw things away before they were used up and
[speaker001:] sure yeah right yeah well I know um I guess I got a good example from my mother because she was always very very conscientious about recycling things and she is to this day and you know I mean she'll even um if she
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] for instance she she would take the waxed paper out of a cereal box and use that for you know when she made cookies it would go on that or if she needed to wrap something for needed uh sandwich paper or something she'd use that
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] she just she recycles everything and I have done the same thing I recycle like zip lock bags and things like that my kids get the biggest kick out of that although
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] they do the same thing I mean they I think they give me a hard time but I think they know that that's it's the right way
[speaker002:] right they've picked up the habit well they do and when they actually get out away from the home and have to do their own buying of things
[speaker001:] uh-huh yes and they appreciate how much it costs to do that
[speaker002:] then and then they say well hey you know mom used to do this and dad used to do that and pretty soon they're they're figuring out that's not such a bad way to go but
[speaker001:] yeah that's right that's true yeah well I don't know you know I I wonder how how you instill in people the necessity for doing just a little bit extra to to make this whole thing work I mean the extra like washing out bottles and jars or the extra of actually uh making sure that uh you take stuff over to you know some people are complaining now are complaining because the stuff isn't picked up at the curbside you know and I think golly Moses you just do your part you know people are not you you you can't be waited on all your life and expect things to always have work out out
[speaker002:] right well see this this is what concerns me you over in Europe they don't have the kind of waste we do here
[speaker001:] no that's right
[speaker002:] you you've got to be in a country even in in Mexico you don't see things thrown away like we do here
[speaker001:] uh-huh right yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I mean what we throw away is is a ransom a king's ransom to most people and I and even to people in our country who scavenge for food and
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh yeah yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and and I I think you have to get into a period of need before you can't tell a person that lives in a hundred two hundred three hundred thousand dollar house
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that have all that they need and all that they could want that they've got to be careful this is uh I this is why I thought Jimmy Carter was never very popular very positive you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh no uh
[speaker002:] people didn't like him
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] because he tried to say turn off the lights conserve this do that and and uh the people I nob ody wanted to hear it
[speaker001:] yeah yeah right do those little things yeah that make a lot of difference uh-huh yeah yeah it's I you know and I think you're right though I think that it has to really hit home before the message sometimes or you have to grow up with it being important important in your life um oh oh um before the message really takes hold sometimes and
[speaker002:] it's it's uh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] um I don't know it's uh it's just really interesting to me how now more aware of things I am than I even myself than I used to be a few years ago I mean like I I'd go to the um to the UTD um cafeteria for lunch sometimes
[speaker002:] right uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they use styrofoam plates when they wouldn't need to use styrofoam plates
[speaker002:] um right
[speaker001:] you know and I think to myself that's that's crazy I wonder if you know maybe I need to bring that to someone's attention you know and and
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I'm seeing more and more of that and and I think it's uh just McDonald's effort to reduce the number of of styrofoam uh boxes that they use for hamburgers and stuff I think is a good good example you know that even industry is willing to do it
[speaker002:] right huh I I think the big question too we're looking at is would you be willing to pay more for a product so it can be recycled
[speaker001:] yeah well I think that may that's kind of what it's coming to I'm sure
[speaker002:] it um that's that's right and and uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] do we have to wait until all the landfills are full
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and there is nowhere else to put our garbage or and I don't with the mind set
[speaker001:] that's right yeah
[speaker002:] of the American public I think what they will do is start paying Mexico to take our trash
[speaker001:] uh-huh wow that doesn't wouldn't surprise me uh-huh
[speaker002:] that isn't that isn't harmful or they will go dump it out in the middle of some ocean
[speaker001:] yeah yeah uh
[speaker002:] that's the way we solve problems and it's sad
[speaker001:] I know it and unfortunately |
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Wha-, what sort of company do you work for? Do you work for a big or a little place?
[speaker002:] Uh, I work for Georgia Tech. Yes sir. I work for the research facility. Uh, [talking] and it's, it's kind of small in a sense but it, it does have, about, uh, I guess, two thousand civil employees.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, on a, a scale, I guess it's still considered small. It just have a lot of different laboratories.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] The area I work in, it, it primarily have maybe a hundred people or so.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So that's make up most of the laboratory so from, from that standpoint, it's pretty small
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it's pretty small. What about yourself?
[speaker001:] Huh. Well, I, I work for, uh, actually probably similar kind of place. I work for, uh, Lincoln Laboratory.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah. We actually do some work with some people down at Georgia Tech.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. I see.
[speaker001:] Uh, [inhaling] and, uh, so we're, we're part, we're actually part of M I T. So it's very much the same kind of place and, uh
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] the technical institution.
[speaker002:] Right. Uh,
[speaker001:] Uh, while I was sitting here waiting while they tried to find somebody for me to talk to, trying to think of what, uh, uh, what things were important, uh, besides salary and a, and a job. I guess, uh, list I had scribbled down was the people you worked with and maybe the, uh, the challenge of the work and, uh
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the working conditions, things like that.
[speaker002:] [Door] Right.
[speaker001:] I don't know. What are your, uh, what sorts of things would you consider important?
[speaker002:] [Inhaling] Well those and probably the security aspect of it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Because a lot of time nowadays, even though you're working, uh, you're treated, and it may not be true in every place. In a lot of cases I think you're treated more like a number instead of a, a person.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Because when it come down to layoff, they don't really consider people and, and, you know, their well being as far as, you know, how they going, their next dollar going to come in. How they going to pay their bills. They just lay them off.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I was reading this book one time about this guy that had, uh, I think the company still exists. What they use to do is, they used to cut the number of hours for everybody as opposed [door] to just laying people off
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know. That way that, you know, one person wouldn't get one big blunt blow at one time.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, you know, I think if they had programs that set up to subsidize people that do get laid off a little bit better, you know, other than s-, you know, something like, unemployment is good but I mean the company as a whole because you as an employee, even the company is making money, they paying you a salary but you are responsible for that company growth. You're responsible also for helping that company get to the par-, point that it's at at making profits. So there should be something in there or some kind of clause that will subsidize people if they did lose their job other than, you know, uh, neglect or something like that.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know. Because it's not a person's fault that, you know, people not buying or businesses are, are not on the up and up all the time, you know. I don't see how one or two people, maybe more one or two, but, you know, a number of people can, can be the downfall of com-, a company situation.
[speaker001:] Now how do you mean that? I know it,
[speaker002:] Well in a sense that say, how do you make a, a conclusion that you're going to lay off these ten people.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, for the bad times of the company. What about the, the work effort those ten people did when the company was doing well.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know. In that standpoint.
[speaker001:] Well, you, you think it's better than to, to try to spread the, the effort equally among all the employees of the company or,
[speaker002:] Ye-, yes, I do.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I really do. I think it'd be better that way and even at that, it would at least give the person time to look for another job because
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] they know that that there are problems and, you know, there are reason to look for another job
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] instead of just dumping it on them all at one time.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know. That's just, that's my views, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I've heard of a couple of companies that have done that. I think, uh, back about, a few years ago when things were tough, Hewlett-Packard did that for awhile. They went to a, uh, a, a four and a half day work week rather
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] than cut, yeah, just cut everybody back ten percent.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And, uh, have to, give everybody a half day a week off.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And I think you can do that for a little while but I'm,
[speaker002:] Well at least that would give a person a chance to look
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know. Because the way it is, a person really don't have a chance [talking]. |
[speaker001:] so John um what things in your life do you find to be invasion of privacy
[speaker002:] oh uh lots of things salesman uh keeping records of everything that's sadistic on me I consider that to be an invasion of privacy privacy and I find that it's
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I guess not not to the extreme of wanting to to to drop out of society and not have credit cards and not have uh you know cars or credit credit cards or anything uh uh I deal with it but I do considered that it has it's uh potential
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] negative side with a
[speaker001:] um I was thinking about it you know when I was waiting waiting to talk to you and I couldn't think of any any real um anything that really bothered me in everyday life um although the thing you mention probably or probably everything about them probably would be true but um couple of things though that I did think of there where um a friend of you you your live in Georgia also so um you know how what if you if you if you get pull over to get and you get a ticket
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] the um the cop will staple your the ticket to your license so you know when you go to court you will be able to get your license back um someone point it out to me you know that a lot of cops when they pull you over will seal your um driver license to fill how many how many um staple holes are in it yeah you know usually you know and and well you know
[speaker002:] that's how they give you a ticket or not give you a ticket
[speaker001:] yeah they say you know you know how weather weather weather weather you you you've been sited how you know that many time or not you know and someone pointed it out to me that you know yeah that that is really an invasion of privacy in that you know you weren't necessarily convicted for any of those offenses you know
[speaker002:] um-hum well you know that uh for all we know we don't know what's on what's on their data base before all we know when actually call uh call in to check on us uh there may be a little print out says that uh arrested seven times convicted none
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean there maybe maybe that kind of detail involved he may be called upon it may uh the next
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] the next move is to have terminals in their in their uh cars
[speaker001:] um-hum well I think some states actually have them
[speaker002:] I know well I'm just saying uh universal
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean that that and and I well I in fact actually I consider radar detection to be sort of an invasion I think that that uh we have uh entirely to much uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] regulation I think that if you take the old philosophy of you know when you when you catch him you convict him that's a healthy philosophy then well we know that you are going to do it so were going to watch you all the time
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah that presume guilt really bothers me
[speaker002:] well the thing is that even though even though I will probably do that even though I am guilty uh if someone uses uh uh human judgement instead of just making the rules they find out that
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I don't put any risk to other people in certainly not any any risk comparable to
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] oh let's say granny out on Sunday driving forty five and pulling into my lane when I'm beside her
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh I could drive a hundred and ten and be safer than most of Sunday drivers on their
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean I mean a hundred and ten relative to everybody driving fifty five that's how that's how bad of drivers are out there now that have license
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's the other uh problem of privacy I I I think uh I think that uh company's intend uh tend to have to much uh they want to know to much about you and I really think they are only right is weather or not I do my job
[speaker001:] yeah um you know I I'm I'm about to graduate and I'm still trying look for a job and you know it really offends me you know that company's most company are drug testing you know not that I have any thing to worry about but just the actual invasion of my privacy you know and that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I mean it seam like they don't they don't want want you know hire me they want to own me
[speaker002:] that yeah that that has been the present philosophy
[speaker001:] I mean
[speaker002:] uh I think something that kind of bother me that this is not a privacy I don't think this is a privacy issue but I'm not sure
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh I don't like morals uh people's uh I guess I should call it Southern Baptist morals that determine whether or not someone can go to a club weather it it not that it's legal or not legal anymore now its uh and I I give the the example is news club says that they just regulated by not allowing them |
[speaker001:] well what kind of car uh are you thinking of buying next
[speaker002:] uh more than likely it's going to be a Chrysler
[speaker001:] you like the Chrysler products do you
[speaker002:] uh Chrysler LeBaron yeah it it won't be a Ford I've got a Ford Mustang now and I hate it
[speaker001:] do you really what year is it
[speaker002:] yeah it's a eighty eight
[speaker001:] and why don't you like the Mustang
[speaker002:] it's um I've had one problem with it after the other the the the paint the paint's peeling off of it and there's no reason for it you know and
[speaker001:] I'll be darned well you know the old sayings about Fords what they stand for
[speaker002:] fix or repair daily or find on read road dead
[speaker001:] there you go
[speaker002:] that uh I it's it's my electrical system shorted out like two or three times and it's been torn up since April and I and
[speaker001:] well uh
[speaker002:] luckily everything was under warranty so it's only costing like a hundred and forty dollars to get it fixed it would have been like two thousand
[speaker001:] well we've always uh we've always had Oldsmobiles and uh been very uh happy with Oldsmobiles but uh my wife thought she wanted to get a Ford Mustang and then she kind of changed her mind and thinks her next car ought to be one of those uh Mitsubishi Eclipses she really
[speaker002:] those those are nice cars
[speaker001:] she likes uh likes those uh she has a sister that lives in uh Phoenix that has one and uh really uh enjoys it well what uh what things do you consider when you buy a car
[speaker002:] um the gas mileage for one thing and I've uh I've always had like stick shifts I want this next car I want to get I want it to be automatic
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] because I'm I'm I hate driving anyway and then and changing gears at stop lights and stuff is really getting on my nerves now
[speaker001:] yeah well especially when you're in high traffic areas and have to mess with that all the time
[speaker002:] yeah and you know when you work nine to five or eight to five and you're in rush hour traffic to and from work unfortunately
[speaker001:] that makes it very frustrating
[speaker002:] and I look ah and that one of the things with Chrysler right now is is their the warranties that they have and I've I feel like there's everybody everybody I've talked to that owns one is is is is been real pleased with it hm I like those uh those driver's air bag I like that
[speaker001:] now this is a LeBaron
[speaker002:] uh yeah well all Chrysler products has it in there but I is a Chrysler LeBaron would be the next car I get yeah
[speaker001:] I sure like the uh convertible those ragtop LeBarons they really look sporty
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I like I like that too huh but I couldn't I couldn't afford the insurance on one of those
[speaker001:] well uh we always this last Oldsmobile we bought uh it's an eighty seven but we bought it in eighty eight you know right at the end of the year when they were trying to get rid of them
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh we found that uh we found a real good interest rate you know when they're trying to get rid of those cars at the end of the year like that they really come down on their prices and uh um you know we looked around at used cars and we really couldn't uh afford the payments on a used car because uh if you go to the bank and try to get a loan they want to charge twelve thirteen percent you know and we ended up I think with like a four and a half percent interest rate on a brand new car and our payments
[speaker002:] well that's that's what I'm paying on mine now I I had to get like a first time my dad's always co-signed on on my my loans or whatever and this is one I've that whenever I got my Mustang this time was by myself because I was out my own or whatever and um I had said that they they said it had to be like a first time buyer's car or whatever and they're charging me unreasonable about interest but I've got eight more payments and it's paid for
[speaker001:] well that's great
[speaker002:] but I got it when I got it when the eighty eights first came out so it's it's it's a good car I mean I got in eighty seven I guess in like November or something like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh well when our kids were younger we really wanted a two door our first car was an Oldsmobile back in seventy seven it was a two door Cutlass Supreme and um it just happened that when we looked for our our new car they had a thing going with Oldsmobile and if you'd buy a a new Oldsmobile they'd give you four hundred dollar rebate because it was their seventy fifth anniversary
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I believe it yeah seventy fifth anniversary so in addition to everything else we got off the car all we had to do is show them our uh papers on our first car and they gave us another four hundred dollars off on it so we we got a four door this time and I sort of went more for the uh the comfort factor and uh I like the smaller cars but I'm a bigger person and I I really like comfort you know driving along the road and stuff
[speaker002:] well that's another big factor of mine next next car I get's gonna be a a four door too something with some room
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] because I my Mustang's a is is two door with bucket seats and when you buy groceries and stuff like that
[speaker001:] and if you try to take anybody uh you know go to the show or go out for supper and you go as a foursome |
[speaker001:] Uh, well, uh, the Cowboys are my favorite team. That's pretty easy to say nowadays [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Lot easier than it was a couple years ago, but they had a big win today. Uh, did you get to watch it?
[speaker002:] No, I didn't. I, uh, have been at my computer all day so,
[speaker001:] Oh. Are you a Cowboy fan?
[speaker002:] Well, I used to be a real big Cowboy fan and, and, uh, I'm not a Jimmy Johnson fan.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Being an Okie [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Right, yeah.
[speaker002:] I just really don't care much, uh, it's, it's kind of hard not to be a Cowboy fan, though.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] They've always been, you know, my favorite.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But, uh, and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and I guess I still have a soft spot. I just hate that that's the coach [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] that's leading them.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So, now have they, they're in the playoffs, right?
[speaker001:] Yeah, they made it to the playoffs finally like just, you know, two years ago they were one and fifteen. They won like just one game and so pretty fast turnaround. But this year they made it to playoffs and today was the first game and they beat the Chicago Bears so everybody's really going crazy, you know, down here.
[speaker002:] I'll bet they are.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] They're going crazy, so, so they turned it around, but, you know, they have a lot of young exciting players now, uh, I mean, everybody was real upset, you know, when they fired Tom Landry, but, you know, now it's like, you know, they're doing good so everybody's forgotten [LAUGHTER] about that.
[speaker002:] Uh, football fans are probably the most fickle people in the world.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Hit a bad season and it's, you know, the coach's fault, let's, let's dump him.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] First good season, the coach can do no wrong.
[speaker001:] Right, exactly.
[speaker002:] But they
[speaker001:] You know.
[speaker002:] Dallas has always been good ahead, you know, heading good players and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] both running, running backs and, and defense.
[speaker001:] Right, yeah, uh, you know, they have a young team. It's, you know, a lot different than the teams they used to have where it's the same old, you know, players every year and, you know, same coach, same everything, so, now it's, you know, like a taste of something different. They're all not, you know, mister nice guys like they used to be.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Now it's like, you know, tough and dirty team so everybody is really excited. And,
[speaker002:] Who is the competition going to be?
[speaker001:] Well, it's supposed to be the Redskins, but you know, we beat them already. We beat them this year in, in Washington so, you know, so everybody has the feeling like we can go all the way to the Super Bowl, but, you know, it's just that we have to play every game away, you know, it's going to be tough, but, but every-, the competition is, are teams that they've already beat this year, so, I mean, Atlanta, they're in it, too, and we beat them and, uh, see, Detroit, we play them next week, but, you know, we should beat them. Everybody feels like we should be able to beat them so, it's, so everything's, uh, looking real good.
[speaker002:] Course, I think, you know, you can't really go by what happened earlier in the season
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because teams jell together or they've had
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] injuries that heal and, you know
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] it can be a tot-, or injuries that, {F uh, have newly happened }
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] and it could be almost a totally new team out there than the one we played.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well the Cowboys are on a roll. They've won, like, I think six or seven in a row now, so they're supposed to be the hottest team in the, in the league going into the playoffs so,
[speaker002:] But, but since you have an O U drop out [LAUGHTER] as a quarterback,
[speaker001:] Right, yeah, Troy Aikman, he got hurt at O U, so he transferred
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] to U C L A.
[speaker002:] Well, he, he really didn't feel like he'd be able to do a lot of passing at O U.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] O U has always been known for their running game.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] More than,
[speaker001:] They're playing tonight in fact.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I'm watching them on T V right now. But they're doing some stomping on [LAUGHTER] Virginia.
[speaker002:] Oh, I tell you, they've, they've not had much of a team this year, bless their little hearts [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Really? Well, they're doing good tonight.
[speaker002:] Are they?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[speaker002:] I haven't
[speaker001:] they're winning.
[speaker002:] been watching.
[speaker001:] They're winning forty-one to seven.
[speaker002:] Well, good
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] for us [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] But, yeah, and, uh, that's right, Aikman did go to O U. I forgot about that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they h-, then he went out to S, to southern Cal. Is that where he went?
[speaker001:] Yeah, uh, U C L A.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] But, the Cowboys did good today. I mean, I was proud. I thought, I thought they would get beat today because, I mean they're so young, you know, playoffs, |
[speaker001:] well this is something I just got back from working out yes um I'd spend about five or ten minutes stretching and then I I used to be just a walker I I was really into walking about three miles everyday and
[speaker002:] oh did you
[speaker001:] I'd go to the weight room and and and get in every part of my arms and work on legs
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but now I'm training to run and I I fun run here in Tyler and it's just two miles but um I'm up to running a mile so I walk real fast for two miles which takes me about thirty minutes
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and then I'll run a mile and then I'll cool down and feel like I'm going to die but it's a lot of fun for me it's it's a task when I don't feel like it
[speaker002:] that's great yeah yeah that's true are you a member of a club or anything is that where you go lift weights are you a member of a club or
[speaker001:] but most of the time it's fun huh no um in college and the junior college I'm going to right now has a really good fitness center
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and so they have a cardiovascular room where they have a Stairmaster
[speaker002:] oh that's great uh-huh
[speaker001:] and sometimes I do that I kind of got burned out on the Stairmaster and uh they have a real good weight room and I do a lot of free weights free weights more than machines I enjoy those more
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh oh huh I've been uh I'm more I've never seriously seriously lifted weights I wrestled in high school and I couldn't and they always made us and I hated it and stuff hadn't done it since but
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh now I'm just more of a recreational sport player I don't really do much exercising other than I play softball five or six nights a week and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh some basketball but I've God I've never have since high school I don't think I've been on a serious or uh exercise program course it shows getting a little bit heavier but uh I have a hard time going out and running though that's that's pretty difficult for me to do I don't know why but
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah it's it's pretty difficult for me too but I've got one month to train for the two mile run I'm fixing to do
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that's not very fun fun fun you know that's not very far to run and a month isn't very long and they call it a fun run I don't see how they can put fun and and run together
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well are you are you doing it yeah yeah it's true are you running for serious or you just running to kind of get through for the fun of it or do they
[speaker001:] and I'm running to get in shape yeah I'm in I'm in really good shape now but uh I've only been seriously in a workout program since September
[speaker002:] are you um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] so I'm knocking close on a year just to be you know mean you know almost but um I'm just I really I had a partner last semester in school that was into body building and he'd been in it for about three years
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum oh
[speaker001:] and so he really got me into lifting weights and I and I did that a lot for the first time I I got I went into a weight room in September and it was real intimidating I was one of the only girls and uh that didn't help any
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah I'll bet no
[speaker001:] but uh I got started into that and I ended up gaining uh almost ten pounds from muscle
[speaker002:] oh really just in muscle though
[speaker001:] just in muscle well I I had a bigger appetite too so no I actually I lost size
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I gained in weight you know because of muscle but now I'm trying to to get rid of some of the bulkiness
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and my arms got quite a bit bigger and I I didn't really want them to get that much bigger so now I'm I'm doing they say to define your muscles
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] you do a lot less weight and a lot of repetition so that's what I'm working on now
[speaker002:] yeah so how often you go and lift then do you do it daily or
[speaker001:] well um I go Monday through Friday I walk and run but um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] yesterday I wasn't feeling good so I missed Monday and I'm out of town on Friday so I'm going to have to go on Saturday so I'll at least get four days in
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh yeah well that's great yeah I I'm trying to like I said I play softball of course not in the winter up here but uh I usually do something for about two months just to get me in shape for that I do a lot of sit-ups and push-ups but
[speaker001:] but uh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I still like I say the running and I've we've been meaning to buy some mountain bikes I hard part for about me for running is just I don't
[speaker001:] ooh
[speaker002:] you see the same thing you never go far enough to see anything really different and I like the change of scenery and stuff so that's why I was thinking of my wife and I about getting a bike for each of us and then you know we you can go
[speaker001:] right yeah do you live in the mountains
[speaker002:] uh we live right close by them we I live right at the base of the Wasatch mountains here and so I close enough that we there's trails and everything all of the way around and that we can go up and use and we go camping quite a bit and we take them with us you know we take them with us there so
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] there's a lot of area we can go in up around there I have just one little daughter
[speaker001:] do you have any kids oh my goodness
[speaker002:] you know and actually that's my exercise now just trying to keep up with an eighteen month old that's more than enough so
[speaker001:] eighteen months
[speaker002:] yeah she's well she learned to walk about six months ago and she hasn't stopped she she just ongoing so we chase her around the house all the time so
[speaker001:] it's uh you get a little of exercise in on that
[speaker002:] oh yeah we do believe me there's nothing like having a kid to chase that'll do it for you
[speaker001:] well I'm going to wait a long time till that happens I'm I'm I'll be twenty May sixth and I'm just going to get through college and hopefully move to some different states
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh good idea uh-huh
[speaker001:] and stay single for a while but in the mean time I'm I'm trying to stay in shape and I I love to play racquetball
[speaker002:] not a bad idea yeah |
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] So what do you guys having up there? I haven't been up there since, oh, Lord, forty-eight, I guess [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Forty-eight. That's a long time. Uh.
[speaker002:] Well, no, it wasn't forty-eight, it was, it was, uh, let's see, yeah, it was forty-eight. I was in the Air Force.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] We did an air show out at, uh, out at, uh, Boone Greene, no out at, uh
[speaker001:] Andrews?
[speaker002:] Andrews, yeah. So what's it been like up there?
[speaker001:] Well, for the past week or two it's been cold and wet
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but before that, for most of the year, it's been hot and dry.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Uh, like September was hot and dry, October.
[speaker001:] Um, September really was, I'm not sure about October. I think for about twelve months through September the, the average temperature has been higher than normal
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] each month.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] Um, lots of ninety degree days during the summer.
[speaker002:] It really has been strange here this year, I mean, this whole ye-, course this whole year [LAUGHTER] has been a different year in more ways than one.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, uh, we had, uh, you know, all these, we have all these, uh, somebody said, you know, you're either a stranger or a fool to try to predict Texas weather, [LAUGHTER] but.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Well, always, they were saying it was going to be the hottest summer ever, and we had all this rain, and it really is not a bad summer at all, really cool. But all of a sudden, in, in, uh, in October, uh, September, October it got real hot and dry and just stayed that way for a long time. And, uh, then the end of October it started [LAUGHTER] rain almost a week without stopping, just pouring down, you know. There were flash floods everywhere, that kind of deal, and then
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, into of November, the first, like the second week, uh, you know, the first week actually, we had, we had a freeze, and the average, you know, the average, uh, first frost is like the fifteenth of November here
[speaker001:] Oh, if you had it early.
[speaker002:] but usually it's not until later [LAUGHTER]. It's really strange.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think we usually have a frost in October.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, but, you know. We really need the rain that we've been getting, and it has not today, but the last few days it's been, been pouring most of the day.
[speaker002:] Is it, is it, is it flooding anywhere?
[speaker001:] Flooding anywhere. I have not heard of it, any problems of it flooding anywhere, I mean, that's occurred certainly at times in the past, but, uh, no, I've not heard of any particular problems this time.
[speaker002:] It's just kind of, uh, clou-, we're supposed to have a chance to get some rain the next couple of days here, uh, which will be, you know, a little bit more typical, uh, autumn weather. But really it's strange. We haven't really had an autumn. It's like we went into winter
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] you know, the poor trees, said what [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Yes, yeah, we had summer lasting long and then it, then it, then it became winter like, uh
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh, it's,
[speaker001:] today it's, today it's sort of change to warmer to sort of more typical autumn day.
[speaker002:] Yeah, there, you, you know, usually there's, uh, I have a farm a hundred miles east of here in East Texas, and you know, all these huge trees just like the eastern hard wood belt all the way up to Maine, you know, it's that same trees, pines and, and hard woods, you know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] hickories and oaks and stuff, and, uh, I was up there last weekend, and there are trees that, that still have their leaves on, and they're green, but they're dead [LAUGHTER]. You know, the, the freeze just got them.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] They, they weren't ready for it at all apparently, and, and we haven't had a typical fall at all. Not much color, you know, changes have occurred at all. Really weird this year. I'm not sure what that, what that means.
[speaker001:] I don't know. Yeah, our leaves are, are all on, on the ground now. I think it was an especially good winter for fall colors.
[speaker002:] So you, you all actually had some color, huh?
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] It kind of crept in and,
[speaker001:] Yeah, we, we did, for a time.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's usually beautiful up there isn't it?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Gorgeous. That's, you know, I think you could drive along in Maryland and look at the sweet gum trees on each side and the, and the pines and what not, and you could, you know, you could be driving along in East Texas and looks just the same. It's almost, you know, identical kind of country.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Beautiful.
[speaker001:] Been that this year
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] for the trees
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] for the leaves.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] Yeah, I was up, I was up there cutting some firewood this weekend, so.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] Little, little oak tree that was dead, and cut it up and split it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's because it, it can't tolerate a freeze this early. Is that right?
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] If it would came later it would be all right?
[speaker002:] Uh, it, there's some trees like the oaks, like the white oaks seem to be pretty hardy. There's, nothing bothers them. Their leaves are still green, and some of the other oaks. There are a few oaks that have lost their leaves. Um, what I notice mostly is the red maples, that the leaves are just dead, the dogwoods still look, still look, you know, they got, uh, bit on the ends of the leaves a little bit, but they still look pretty good.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] It just depends on the, on the, uh, on the tree. |
[speaker001:] what basketball team are you
[speaker002:] well pretty pretty familiar with we moved here about six months ago or a year ago so I'm pretty familiar with the Mavericks
[speaker001:] most familiar with yeah where'd you move from
[speaker002:] North Carolina
[speaker001:] uh-huh well yeah the Mavericks uh have done fairly well in the past but doesn't look like they're going to do too good this year
[speaker002:] nope not doesn't look like
[speaker001:] maybe maybe they'll surprise us though reckon
[speaker002:] yeah that would be a big surprise
[speaker001:] it would be a big surprise
[speaker002:] yeah do you do you follow basketball
[speaker001:] oh I kind of follow it a little bit I'm not a great fan of it but uh you know I read a little bit about it and follow it on the radio and everything but I was glad to see them get rid of that guy Tarpley although by far the best player they've ever had I guess
[speaker002:] Tarpley yeah I think he I think he he was I I think it went on went on too long you want to get her out of here
[speaker001:] yeah it did it did and and they had to do they had to get rid of him but I couldn't believe they'd given him a contract like they had where that they couldn't get rid of him
[speaker002:] yeah well they already he already had uh two strikes against him when they gave him that contract
[speaker001:] yeah uh I guess they felt like that was enough that you know uh if that you know if if they had to get out of it they could and they wouldn't want out of it unless he did something wrong
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] if he did that well that'd cancel the contract I guess
[speaker002:] no that's true that's right if you get the third strike they can break the contract and if doesn't you want to pay him that much money because he's that good
[speaker001:] yeah yes that's right he'd be worth it yeah he'd be worth it
[speaker002:] yeah that makes sense uh did you uh see the score of their first game against San Antonio
[speaker001:] but there's gonna oh they got blasted didn't they
[speaker002:] yeah they lost by uh forty or fifty points hundred and uh
[speaker001:] yeah that was unbelievable I I'd I hadn't seen that score I just heard somebody talking about they'd gotten beaten real bad
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] and uh but I think they did better last night though didn't they
[speaker002:] yeah they lost in overtime by a point or two
[speaker001:] yeah so that was a good game I guess
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] I I really don't follow them that closely there although there was a good article today in the in the Sunday Magazine about uh Brad Davis did you read that
[speaker002:] oh yeah nope nope what did it say
[speaker001:] course uh well it just uh this is going to be his last year but it just you know he just been it's amazing that he's one of the original Mavericks you know still playing
[speaker002:] hm yeah I don't think I was aware of that he was an original Maverick huh
[speaker001:] he is the only original Maverick yeah he started out with them when they started and has made just to make the team every year since then so and you know you don't you don't make the team if you're not any good
[speaker002:] uh-huh yep
[speaker001:] so he's done well six hundred thousand a year
[speaker002:] is that right that's what he makes
[speaker001:] huh uh-huh and he's worth it I guess
[speaker002:] well how do you think they'll finish this year
[speaker001:] I mean huh
[speaker002:] not too good I imagine what do you think
[speaker001:] no I don't see how that nah they won't even
[speaker002:] they don't they won't
[speaker001:] they won't even come close to the play-offs I don't think
[speaker002:] hm I don't think so they're now they're aiming trying they're wishfully hoping I mean they've lowered their sites from play-off to maybe five hundred which and that's probably a pretty big stretch
[speaker001:] they what yeah yeah that's a big stretch probably yeah and uh but boy they you know they've had some darn good teams in the past
[speaker002:] yep yeah
[speaker001:] I guess that's why it's so hard to swallow you know right off the bat they started doing well but
[speaker002:] yep how do they you kind of wonder how they let themselves get to where they have such an old team
[speaker001:] yeah it makes you they've had some coach problems over the years uh Motta was probably the best they've ever had or ever will have but he I don't know he just he was such a hot head that he just quit one time
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and man once he made up his mind to do something like that he gone he don't change his mind but he was by far I think the best coach they ever had
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but he couldn't get along with
[speaker002:] with who
[speaker001:] I I mean Aguirre
[speaker002:] oh Aguirre
[speaker001:] yeah Aguirre
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh he he had a hot temper
[speaker002:] yeah I haven't followed them too close until uh we moved we moved here I you know I remember seeing them in the play-offs a couple of years ago I guess
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah probably yeah at least two years ago or longer
[speaker002:] it yeah
[speaker001:] but they did they used to have some darned good teams
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh I've always been a and I don't follow basketball that closely but I've always been a a Celtics fan because I love I love to watch Larry Bird play
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I like watching the Celtics play they're uh they play uh have played a good brand of basketball it's real teamwork oriented
[speaker001:] always you can always count on them playing a good brand of basketball and of course so you can the Lakers so can you depend on the Lakers for doing that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I don't know I just always liked old old Bird he just can do things that I don't think humans are supposed to be able to do with a basketball you know him and Magic Johnson and old Jordan
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but we'll have to keep our fingers crossed I guess for the old Mavericks
[speaker002:] yeah it'll take at least that
[speaker001:] well and they got a they got a good owner I mean he's willing to spend the bucks to get what they need so I think it's just a just a matter of time till they it may take them a couple of years
[speaker002:] well I imagine it will they're down to I mean like their top there's four of their starting five are like thirty over you know thirty three thirty
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] so you're talking you're talking about pretty well having to rebuild from scratch
[speaker001:] and that that's yeah that's just too old for a basketball team
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] man old old Larry Johnson |
[speaker001:] um Ashley um do you exercise regularly
[speaker002:] yes I do I uh go on long walks whenever I can and uh well when I when I can fit it into my schedule and the weather's right I like to walk uh oh three four miles a day
[speaker001:] uh-huh well that's pretty good I unfortunately uh am not um exercising regularly at the time um I we've recently made a move I used to be at the university where there's facilities there and my wife and I regularly played um racquetball
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but um since we've moved to Iowa now um we don't have as many facilities like that um
[speaker002:] well that sort of same sort of thing happened to me I used to be a regular swimmer I I taught at a university and I you know could use the pool every day if I wanted and since moving away from the university environment I've uh now it's kind of difficult to find a pool that's convenient and affordable to swim in but uh what university were you at
[speaker001:] I was at Brigham Young University
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um actually I am working at a university right now I just graduated with my PhD at Brigham Young and I'm working at the University of Iowa however we had all free benefits for faculty and staff and students at Brigham Young but um oh it's we the benefits here as far as um using the physical facilities are not free here so and plus they're not as convenient we're we're further away so it's not as convenient for like my wife to come in you know for doing things together
[speaker002:] did you say you're at the University of Iowa Iowa City huh
[speaker001:] uh-huh right uh-huh
[speaker002:] I went I visited visited there once quite a few years ago had a friend who was in the linguistics department there
[speaker001:] oh I'm in uh at the National Center for Voice and Speech which is part of the um Department of Speech Pathology
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] well you would do you have contact with any of the uh people in linguistics
[speaker001:] well uh I just I haven't been here uh uh only for several months and uh I I'm sure that there must be some cooperation between the departments but uh I'm not aware of anything as yet
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] um I
[speaker002:] well if you ever run into uh to Cathy Reagan say hi to her for me I think she's still there
[speaker001:] okay okay usually when the temperatures are warmer um I live about twenty minutes from school so um from the university so I often will walk in which I guess it's I'm not sure how far it is um actually it's twenty five minutes and it's probably about a mile I don't know long it's got to be maybe a
[speaker002:] um-hum well how briskly do you walk do you think how how fast do you walk do you think
[speaker001:] what oh I walk rather briskly but I don't I don't do it during these winter months it's just far too cold um
[speaker002:] uh-huh well a brisk walker can go maybe what four or five miles an hour so if it takes you a third of an hour to get in you're probably going oh I would say at least a mile and a half probably
[speaker001:] so yeah so anyway I could get a little bit of exercise that way um
[speaker002:] yeah the winter of course even here in uh in northern Texas we do get a little cold weather but most of the winter I can go walking just about anytime I want to
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] this winter though it's rained so much that uh there've been times where see my uh favorite uh area to walk is a a greenbelt they have right through Plano here and uh you know it's it surrounds a little stream over much much of its extent you can walk for miles there and never cross a street you you go under the streets
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but uh when the uh when the water is too high uh you'd get washed away I mean they have signs up there warning people to stay away so
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] we've had that uh a number of times recently not to mention the mud of course
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] well you can get you can do the other thing I do is uh I have a little exercise bike that uh wasn't too expensive I got a cheap one but you can really work up a sweat on it
[speaker001:] but yeah if I were to begin to begin exercise now I think it'd be something that I could do um indoors something that's convenient um you know it's like an exercise bike or something like that although I haven't purchased one purchased one yet sometimes I do I have this little trampoline
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] small type trampoline that I do indoor jogging on sometimes for exercise but I haven't really started been doing anything regular for the last several months since we've since we've moved to to Iowa
[speaker002:] yeah I I really prefer outdoor exercise I'm afraid that my favorite indoor exercise is eating apple pie a la mode and that doesn't help very much
[speaker001:] well outdoor exercise is uh more convenient however |
[speaker001:] okay have you ever served as a juror
[speaker002:] never I've never been served on the jury never been called up in a jury although some of my friends have been jurors
[speaker001:] uh-huh I never have either
[speaker002:] you haven't huh if you were uh what do you think about the whole concept of a trial by your peers
[speaker001:] well I think it's a good idea I think our justice system needs a major overhaul and I'm not sure what needs to be done to fix it but I think they've got a lot of problems
[speaker002:] I think the major thing they need to correct is how long it takes something to get to jury and to get to trial
[speaker001:] true
[speaker002:] and I don't know if that's just a pure volumes number or or what but uh sometimes I think the jury is ignorant in the facts of law and how things should be determined and they're too easily swayed by their emotion
[speaker001:] yeah I think that's true
[speaker002:] hence is possible error as you can see in all the ironsides
[speaker001:] TV shows yeah do you would you prefer all trials by a judge
[speaker002:] no I think there are certain things that uh the jury can determine as far as uh guilty or not guilty but as far as the affixing affixing affixing of punishment and fines and things of that nature I don't know if that is best left up to the jury to decide to award you know two point two million dollar kind of settlement versus a judge knowing you know it's true that you know this may be sad and all that thing but uh the jury I think is best in most cases suited for determination of guilt and innocence but not the award of of penalties and fines and punishment
[speaker001:] yeah I would agree with that I think you're right I think they sometimes get carried away by the circumstances and make huge settlements thinking well it's only going to cost the insurance company and
[speaker002:] um-hum that's true but uh I do like the idea of the jury being the the the people who decide in the matter of uh if it's a jail term versus life and death
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know the death penalty and such
[speaker001:] if they give them all the information I don't know when it comes to sentencing phase I guess they tell them if a guy if the person has a previous record and stuff
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] sometimes it seems like during the trial part the jury's not you know misses some of the best evidence because they make them leave and
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] the judge decides whether or not they should hear it
[speaker002:] yeah uh it it it's kind of difficult and I guess the whole system is set up to rather let uh some guilty people go free than to put an innocent person in in jail
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] although you still hear about those occasionally
[speaker001:] yeah do you think the verdict should be completely unanimous by the jury
[speaker002:] um I don't know I you know I heard a very interesting and maybe it's just the TV show or movie I was watching they were going through a trial and I think it was like on one of the the documentary TV shows where they ask for the the verdict by the jury
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they went by each one saying guilty or innocent guilty or innocent
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they took it more as just like a majority
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] so I I
[speaker001:] some of them disagree I mean some of them said one way and some the other
[speaker002:] exactly but they took you know whatever the majority was so I didn't know if that was just something for drama or that's truly the way it is I always thought it had to be unanimous
[speaker001:] I think it does have to be unanimous
[speaker002:] but uh rather interesting
[speaker001:] I know they can poll a jury make sure everybody agrees with what they said the verdict was but I thought that they all had to agree or else they it was a hung jury
[speaker002:] uh-huh I did I did also
[speaker001:] and yeah I think I don't know how I feel about that I think maybe uh majority might be sufficient
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it's hard to say though I
[speaker002:] what about in international trials do you think they should have a jury there I think that would be kind of interesting
[speaker001:] oh yeah I hadn't thought about international trials at all
[speaker002:] I guess the the problem with that is there's no true authority in any kind of international verdicts
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] like you know the old day with the rack we they're going to say okay you're guilty and you have to pay Kuwait four million dollars well whose going to really make them
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] nobody
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so but I think it would be kind of interesting to incorporate that concept of you know people from different countries uh in as international law also
[speaker001:] yeah I think maybe they'd need to be more knowledgeable though than just your average Joe off the street
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] for something like that because of the cultural differences
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] things like that
[speaker002:] I don't know how what it would take to be come up with a true perfect system or if one exists but
[speaker001:] yeah what about uniform sentencing
[speaker002:] uh is that the crime and it's already false due to some chart and determine the punishment or
[speaker001:] right yeah like if you're convicted of a certain crime you automatically get so many years it's not a discretionary thing
[speaker002:] um-hum I think there should be a core minimum that they get but uh I guess there should be some flexibility because every situation may be unique that the judge can either increase that or keep it just at its minimum things of that nature
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I
[speaker001:] I wish that when they sentence someone if they're going to sentence him to five years then make him serve five years
[speaker002:] yeah that serves a kind of if they're I guess uh if you sentence someone to life life is only forty nine years something like that
[speaker001:] you know yeah I
[speaker002:] and I guess you're eligible after twenty seven for parole even though you're in for life
[speaker001:] yeah and sometimes those people are are young enough they can still get out and cause a lot of trouble
[speaker002:] yeah although I guess it's your you want them to rehabilitate and become better rather than sitting in there and being a drain all the time
[speaker001:] yeah I don't believe that very often happens
[speaker002:] no because uh inside the jail there I don't think there's no real rehabilitation it just
[speaker001:] I don't think so either In fact I think they end up worse because the conditions are so bad
[speaker002:] yes it's another war zone
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but who knows
[speaker001:] I think I think maybe they ought to just be punished with some some kind of real punishment like hard labor for a shorter length of time you know actually make them do something that's not pleasant
[speaker002:] I agree get them out there
[speaker001:] and do it and get it over with and get back in the you know world and not spend so much time sitting around letting the bad influences of the other ones rub off on them and
[speaker002:] sure they should have them go out and doing stuff cleaning up or picking up dirt or weeds or who knows what something for the for the state since the state is paying for them they should get some kind of kind of work out of them
[speaker001:] yeah yeah something besides license plates and tiddlywinks
[speaker002:] exactly
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] trading their lives for cigarettes
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] those kinds of things well good
[speaker001:] well I think that covers it
[speaker002:] I think so
[speaker001:] it was nice talking to you
[speaker002:] nice talking to you also
[speaker001:] um bye
[speaker002:] have a wonderful Easter
[speaker001:] you too bye
[speaker002:] bye |
[speaker001:] Type of music is hot down in Texas?
[speaker002:] Uh, well, I don't know exactly what's hot down in Texas. I know what's hot down here with me, so that's about all I can feel apt to discuss with you since I just know, I don't ever listen to the radio and that's usually what's hot around here so,
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] So, what kind of music do you like?
[speaker001:] Uh, mostly folk music.
[speaker002:] Folk music.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I find myself, uh, listening to a lot of, uh, uh, either old timer or New England, uh, dance bands as well as, uh, just more popular folk music and new artists coming up.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well, we're on totally different wavelengths.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] I'm more, uh, old rock and roll, uh, some new, newer, I guess you would call it heavy metal rock and roll type
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, uh, Van Halen, that kind of thing.
[speaker001:] Yeah, what about, uh, classic rock type stations.
[speaker002:] Uh, I don't listen to the radio at all. We live in a fairly small town, so
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] uh, classic rock for me is what I have, which is like, uh, Doors, Eagles, Jimmy Hendrix.
[speaker001:] So, some
[speaker002:] Uh,
[speaker001:] some of the older Eagles stuff was good.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I, I didn't like, uh, they started getting a little more, you know, the type of music, at least to me, it's, uh, sounds like it's only sounds good at a high volumes and I don't like listening at high volumes.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, some of their older s-, stuff was, uh, you know, quite enjoyable to me.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well they,
[speaker001:] You know, Ho-, Hotel California and that era.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah that does, that's something you don't, doesn't even sound good loud really. You know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, definitely. Uh, so, anything new you like coming out now, other than folk music, some I might know of. I don't know any folk music at all.
[speaker001:] Well, down in Texas, uh, you know, little, listen to a little country every now and then.
[speaker002:] Yeah, oh yeah, here,
[speaker001:] I'm sure there's a lot of that down there.
[speaker002:] Oh, plenty. Way, way more than I can stand down here.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I, I don't care for it at all, that Texas twang or whatever you want to call it. I,
[speaker001:] Well, there, there's a Conway Twitty twang, then there's the, uh, Dolly Parton, uh, Hollywood sound.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, that's more, even more commercialized for of
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] country music. But, uh, it's getting, uh, uh, getting pretty big everywhere, as I see it. Garth Brooks is outselling Guns and Roses so,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think some of them, the artists are even, uh, hitting the pop charts.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, it's kind of strange that it's getting as big as it is. Concert tours for country and western sings is, it's, it's quite, quite odd, but, uh, I don't know, it's, music is kind of going an odd direction nowadays, I think. It's becoming not necessarily good music, just popular music, you know.
[speaker001:] Hey, I, I, I think most artists are in to make a few bucks.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and that's all it,
[speaker001:] But they're not in it to say anything or give a message
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] which is what they were do-, late, late sixties, early seventies, they were
[speaker002:] That's what it,
[speaker001:] they were definitely pushing a message.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's what, what you say, and, and then music is wrapped around now. Now, it's the other way around.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I don't, I don't think Gun, at least to my mind, Guns and Roses doesn't have too much of a message, too much to say.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] No, no, they don't have anything really important you want to hear. But, you know, it's kind of odd, it's like, it doesn't have to be good, it's just who does it, you know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You hear a, you hear a Paula Abdul song and you, and I think, if somebody else were to play that, you know, they wouldn't, they, nobody, everybody would think, that's lousy, but because she did it, it's supposed to be good, you know, it comes to the point where it's your name, not what you do
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] more than anything. Madonna can do anything and it would be considered good because it's Madonna, you know.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Madonna could start playing folk music and folk music would be huge just because Madonna does it, so
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] it's, it's, it's really backwards how things are working now but,
[speaker001:] Yeah, i-, i-, it's the artist, not the merit.
[speaker002:] Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know, I, I don't know that that's, I don't think that's a good thing at all, but that's [LAUGHTER], that's what the, point we've reached, so I don't know how
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] how much farther we can digress before we have to turn it around and go the other way, at least.
[speaker001:] Well, I don't know, I know for myself that, uh, for the most part, I don't know which artist is which, so I listen to a song, I either like the song or I don't like it
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and then if I really like the song, eventually I'll figure out who it was.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, that's about how I am on popular music. I don't, you know, you don't, I don't know enough about it because I just listen, uh, everything I listen to is what I buy, not whatever they play on the radio so,
[speaker001:] Well, you have to figure out what to buy, or do you just buy along the same artist?
[speaker002:] Uh, I, yeah, I just mostly buy along the same lines all the time. I don't really switch around to new things very often.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It's just, it's, you know, it's way to hectic and too confusing.
[speaker001:] Yeah, so you keep buying the same artists until you don't like an album, then you stop?
[speaker002:] Uh, yeah, generally, or, about the only new music I hear is somebody else that I know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] will buy something new that I haven't heard and I listen to it that way, but as far as, yeah, I don't go out on a limb and buy something new very often unless I've heard it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, see, that's one thing I like about the, uh, some of the folk music scenes, you know, there's a couple of nice, uh, small coffee houses up in New Jersey.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, it's very nice, you go into the coffee house and, you know, an artist is there and very often the artist will have a d-, an album and, so if you like the artist, you buy the album.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So you definitely get to try before you buy.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, that's definitely I,
[speaker001:] You know, it, you, you, you don't always quite get it right, |
[speaker001:] uh-huh um I guess we're supposed to talk about music
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and uh let me go ahead and push one here uh do you have are you a musician yourself
[speaker002:] uh well I sing I don't play an instrument though
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh where do you sing in in a choir or a choral group
[speaker002:] oh not right now
[speaker001:] uh-huh what kind of singing do you like to do
[speaker002:] oh pretty much anything
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh Um are you uh are are have you have you been singing a long time or have you studied uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh yeah a long time out all through college and everything I was in the choirs
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and I've had some classical vocal training um-hum
[speaker001:] oh really oh great did did you do that in uh Texas or somewhere else
[speaker002:] no I was in Europe
[speaker001:] oh whereabouts
[speaker002:] in uh in Germany
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh that's wonderful um well I likewise sang in high school and in college in choirs and then I didn't sing in a choral group um until after I was uh married and I sang in a couple of uh community choirs and then um waited for a while and now I've for about the last eight years I've sung in a church choir here in Texas and um
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] so I I enjoy just the chorals singing a lot as well Um are you a soprano alto or
[speaker002:] um-hum soprano
[speaker001:] a soprano yeah so am I do you and uh what kind of music do you like to sing um you were saying you had classical training do you have a particular composer that you like or a particular type
[speaker002:] oh well as far as opera goes I'm I think most fond of Verdi
[speaker001:] uh-huh I've been listening to um some um some advertisements for Madam Butterfly and I'm wondering if you if you have ever done anything like that have you ever done any uh if if you had done Madam Butterfly
[speaker002:] no no I haven't done um I'd love to but
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] um that's uh Puccini I think right
[speaker001:] uh-huh yes uh-huh um Madam Butterfly was um in Dallas it's been two or three years ago now and then I went to see that and it was really wonderful it was particularly well the acting was particularly nice I thought and um
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] so it was quite popular um you don't play um an instrument so ah
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] uh um have you ever wanted to like guitar or piano or
[speaker002:] uh I think it would be nice if I played the piano
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that I think that's always a good instrument for anybody who sings or does you know some other kind of instrument I think piano is always good background beginner Um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I played piano all through well I guess from the time I was five five until I graduated from college and uh then I was a piano teacher for a while while my husband was in graduate school so um that was the instrument both of my children started on but neither of them stayed with it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] one of them um turned into a violinist and the other one is the boy is um guitar and and percussion so um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but the I I think that the piano background is very um useful and um I'm sure that it for you it would have been great to be able to accompany yourself just for practicing and so on
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you have any other kind of music that you like
[speaker002:] um oh I like to listen to all different kinds of music
[speaker001:] um-hum I have a I used to work with a fellow who had um although this was a computer company he had his uh PhD in musical uh I guess it was in composition actually from University of North Texas and uh when I would go into his his office every now and then you never knew what kind of music he'd be playing on the radio It may be country it might be classical it might be rock you know it was just he said that that just about what you said that he just liked all kinds of music
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] and that was that was neat for for me to hear that somebody is
[speaker002:] there's you know some of the really totally country stuff I don't really particularly like but
[speaker001:] yeah yeah um do you have any plans to uh do anything with your music in the near future or
[speaker002:] well I have I have like we I wish I could but I I don't really know how to go about it without having a degree or
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] I know that there are if you're interested in choral singing I'm not sure where you are in Texas but I do know that some communities have uh uh community choruses and uh that's often a good way to get back into it again um it's not really terribly demanding you might have to audition but that probably wouldn't be a problem but um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] there usually you know that they take tours and things like that and you get to know you know people um socially as well as as in a musical setting so that's always fun I think that's
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] well that's one reason why I have enjoyed my choir so much is that not only do we sing wonderful music but we've gotten to know each other quite well um in on a a social level and I think we sing better because of that I think you know I think we sing more like uh
[speaker002:] um-hum that's good
[speaker001:] people who trust each other which is really nice
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] so whereabouts in Texas are you if I could ask
[speaker002:] oh I'm in Flower Mound uh-huh
[speaker001:] Flower Mound okay well I'm in Plano so um we're just not too far apart actually
[speaker002:] yeah that's pretty close
[speaker001:] uh-huh it was funny um um it's you know I talk to people all over uh Texas um and only one person outside of the country uh of the state so I'm always asking where where in the state you know the person is from if they're in Texas
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um are do you have a family
[speaker002:] um I'm married
[speaker001:] uh-huh I was wondering if your if your spouse or if you know if you had uh other musical people in your family
[speaker002:] I'm sorry
[speaker001:] uh if you have other people in your family who are also musical
[speaker002:] oh a little bit
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you come by it naturally was your were your parents that musical yeah yeah that often is the case um
[speaker002:] yeah I think so
[speaker001:] the you know it's it sometimes it will skip like my husband is not musical at all but his mother is very musical and um and his children are very musical so you never know where the talent is going to show up I guess sometimes so um well I'm not sure how long we've talked I haven't paid haven't been paying attention to the to the clock but uh
[speaker002:] I think
[speaker001:] I'll bet we've done we've done at least five minutes
[speaker002:] probably
[speaker001:] well I 've enjoyed talking with you uh Becky and um maybe we'll talk again uh-huh bye-bye
[speaker002:] okay all right thanks bye-bye |
[speaker001:] well we have an easy subject today I guess easier than trying to straighten the government out which was yesterday
[speaker002:] oh that was a would be difficult yeah I had one on immigration
[speaker001:] oh I didn't get that one thank goodness oh well you know I've been I went to back to school a few years ago and I tell you I haven't done much entertaining since
[speaker002:] I know I I don't have the money to entertain so
[speaker001:] that's another consideration
[speaker002:] exactly I mean even hamburgers you know when you get all the fixings with it it's kind of uh expensive
[speaker001:] well I know and uh time seems to be such a element nowadays
[speaker002:] exactly you've got to get things that it can be done ahead or
[speaker001:] and the house has to be clean that's the worse part to me
[speaker002:] yeah that way I have to get my husband to help me with that because I'd never never be able to entertain otherwise
[speaker001:] oh yeah do you have children oh well that's one less thing to mess up the house yeah I have two I have uh one that's in uh college and one that's uh in high school
[speaker002:] no yeah that's true do you have it ah well I've got three black pets three two dogs and a cat and so I've got plenty of pet hair to contend with
[speaker001:] oh oh yeah I've got that too I have everything in the we're a family of slobs on top of that so the cleaning really is the worse for entertaining
[speaker002:] well I guess they wanted us to talk about the the recipes I mean what do you what do you cook
[speaker001:] right well one of the easy things uh when I did used to entertain that I like to make is uh chicken in wine it's real easy and I can make it ahead of time and then just stick it in the oven to uh to heat up you know so I don't really like to actually cook when people are already there
[speaker002:] uh-huh exactly I like to be able to entertain and not be killing myself while
[speaker001:] right and it makes me nervous if they're all in the kitchen messing and I'm trying to cook stuff you know what I mean
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and um so that's one thing that I used to make a lot
[speaker002:] see usually we just like like you said I like to do something I can do you know and just put it in the fridge but I I'll make a chicken and rice and mushrooms dish or you know uh easy stuff I don't I I I don't do that much
[speaker001:] um-hum um that sounds good we've done shish kabob several times and people always like that but it's a lot of work
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] because the vegetables are so hard you have to kind of parboil them a little
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then um season the stuff and marinade it and then stick it on all those things
[speaker002:] so you'd think it would be easy but it's actually you know quite a bit of work
[speaker001:] at the last minute it's not so bad because you can throw it on the grill and it doesn't take very long but boy the prepreparation of cutting all that up in the right sizes and washing it and like I said parboiling some of the hard stuff
[speaker002:] um-hum exactly well that's the problem for me like cooking Chinese food because you know they always have tons of vegetables
[speaker001:] ooh yeah it chop forever
[speaker002:] exactly
[speaker001:] I've never done that for um party
[speaker002:] well I'll do it when we have a few people over but not a lot it's too it's too much for that
[speaker001:] um-hum I know
[speaker002:] but I mean I've been known to go over to Sam's and and uh buy a a pan of uh ready made like enchiladas or or something I didn't like the enchiladas very much but they had some um
[speaker001:] oh are they good someone said the lasagna was good
[speaker002:] the lasagna is very good and I've made that as well
[speaker001:] I think it must be good because I have an Italian neighbor down the street that bought some for company I thought golly she she she cooks a lot too and I if she bought it it must be pretty good
[speaker002:] yeah and you know when you I mean when you've got company on on days that you work it's almost impossible
[speaker001:] oh well it is
[speaker002:] so you know that's that's for me the easiest thing to do get something
[speaker001:] I don't think I ever had something on a day I worked oh well man that's horrible where do you work
[speaker002:] oh I have um over I work at Park Central over it's at say LB yeah Central and LBJ and I work for a liquor distiller
[speaker001:] Park Central on Central Expressway is it oh do they give you any samples at Christmas
[speaker002:] yes they do we get two bottles
[speaker001:] oh well that's nice that's the another expensive part about entertaining if you plan to drink I mean that is really expensive
[speaker002:] exactly no we have beer and wine and that's about it
[speaker001:] yeah that's what most people have nowadays
[speaker002:] yeah it's just too hard to get yeah to get all the you know the different kinds of oh this person likes gin this one
[speaker001:] for big parties at least I know you could could spend well over a hundred a hundred fifty dollars getting all that stuff
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so anyway
[speaker002:] well what do you do for desserts
[speaker001:] oh dessert um sometimes I buy it I have through the years I used to make this really neat pie that was was with crackers and pecans on
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and you bake it and then you put whipped cream on the top it's just delicious um sometimes you can get it at Luby's restaurant
[speaker002:] oh that's sounds good hum I uh let's see I usually make a well something easy stuff as usual but you know the things that you can buy the ready made crusts and and then put like
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] oh uh we'll have a chocolate nut pie um pie and you know
[speaker001:] um you make up the homemade filling but you use the oh that's a good idea
[speaker002:] yeah exactly so
[speaker001:] I can't even remember oh I used I used to make a cheesecake with a easy recipe using Eagle Brand milk you know but it was it was pretty good
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and there was a time when I made Grand Boule and English Truffle
[speaker002:] oh see and I just don't I don't dare try all that stuff because I don't even know if I like it to begin with if I don't like it it doesn't get made around here
[speaker001:] that's right oh that's the way I am we haven't bad a baked ham dinner since we've been married for twenty five years my I hate baked ham for dinner my husband's family loved it they're Polish and they live in New Jersey and that was one of their big deals was baked ham
[speaker002:] so you had to suffer through it when you were there
[speaker001:] oh God yeah they'd have it a lot of time for Christmas
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I couldn't stand it because my family always say |
[speaker001:] All right. Do you have a bunch of factories and stuff out there?
[speaker002:] Um, we've got quite a few, actually. What we're more concerned with is the inner pollution in the city.
[speaker001:] The, uh,
[speaker002:] Um, we've actually had some warnings in, uh, Raleigh
[speaker001:] Oh, you mean
[speaker002:] uh, on air pollution.
[speaker001:] for like smog and stuff?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, because of there so many cars, and we have a belt line alo-, around Raleigh where we're trying to divert traffic.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] And, um, you know, i-, it's still, it's just surrounding the city, and you can actually see it. There's a couple of, uh, tall buildings
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] in Raleigh, and, and you can actually, you know, they're blurred, they're even dark, and what it is is the pollution.
[speaker001:] Huh. What do you think of that, uh, the greenhouse effect that's going on?
[speaker002:] Well I guess that's fluoro-, the fluorocarbons
[speaker001:] Yeah
[speaker002:] and, uh,
[speaker001:] that's causing the hole in the ozone.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah, that's very serious. I mean, we can, we're even feeling the effects of the weather from, uh, uh, the shift in the jet stream.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. It, it is scary though, isn't it?
[speaker002:] Oh yeah. I mean, uh, the last two, uh, years, our winters have been absolutely nothing.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I mean, maybe, one snow.
[speaker001:] Well, all right, North Carolina. That's up there by Kentucky, isn't it?
[speaker002:] Kentucky?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, North Carolina is all the way on the east coast.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] It's further west than Georgia, it's, uh, right below Virginia.
[speaker001:] Okay. Well, Kentucky's next to Virginia, I'm pretty sure. Well, I'm from Kentucky, I should know but,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I don't, I'm sorry. But Kentucky, we use to have severe, I mean, just real cold, cold winters
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and we'd have three and four feet of snow. Course here in Texas they don't have snow, they don't know what snow is. They freak out when there's snow on the ground [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. [LAUGHTER] Originally I'm from Texas so, I mean Amarillo. So, uh,
[speaker001:] Oh, Amarillo?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Well that's close to here.
[speaker002:] Yeah, real close.
[speaker001:] How long have you been in Raleigh?
[speaker002:] Um, I've been out of Texas about ten years.
[speaker001:] Well, how old are you?
[speaker002:] Oh, twenty, uh, seven. I almost forgot my age.
[speaker001:] Okay. Well, we're the same age.
[speaker002:] Oh, really?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I forget my age all the time, so that's okay. It's, I think it's just something that goes with the territory.
[speaker002:] Um [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But to me, Texas, see and Kentucky, we had to have ice on the ground for them to close school. Okay?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] In Texas, I'm serious, if it gets cold and it looks like it's going to rain, I, I swear they close everything down. I just laugh.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I mean, I do, they get, I mean, and traffic slows down to nothing.
[speaker002:] Actually, they've been doing the same thing here. It's, you know, it's kind of funny, they, um, I guess northerners are different, but even, uh, North Carolinians, they don't know how to handle cold weather.
[speaker001:] Oh, well, no northe-, I'm from the north, that's why I said we, in Kentucky, we, I don't know, you just get used to the weather, and of course the people down in south, they don-, they're not used to cold weather and stuff, and, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] it just, I don't know, I just laugh every time they have a, every time they have snow,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] on the ground everything's closed up. And you know, you can have snow on the ground and not be slick on the road [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's true.
[speaker001:] But, uh,
[speaker002:] Do you all have much pollution there?
[speaker001:] No, not really, I mean, not to see it. Now of course, there's, you know, T I is here, Oscar Mayer
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and there is a few factories, but I don't see much pollution going on.
[speaker002:] Well, you know, what irks me is these cars that are driving down the road,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and you have that black smoke coming from their tail pipe.
[speaker001:] Well, see, they have that, um, what is it a test, or something like that they call it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh,
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] that's supposed to cut down on it.
[speaker002:] supposedly that's supposed to catch it. But I'll tell you what, and even these buses, oh lord, it real bad. These buses in Raleigh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, school buses and the
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] commercial buses, yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean, school buses are notorious.
[speaker001:] Well, they're burning that diesel fuel is what it is.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, it, it gets bad.
[speaker002:] Well, you know what they've started doing is, is instead of the tail pipes being at the bottom of those buses
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] they've started putting them up at the top, and that way it gets above, um, other cars on the road
[speaker001:] Well, that's a good idea.
[speaker002:] and, uh, it really does make a difference, although it, it settles, you know, even if it's at the top and it's a lot of black smoke coming out, it still settles, and, and, you know, if you're going to be jogging on the side of the road, that's, that's even more miserable. I would, I'd have to go out to the country to jog.
[speaker001:] Well, uh, the, you know, pregnant women aren't supposed to walk along a highway
[speaker002:] No, I didn't know that.
[speaker001:] because of that smoke fumes. When I was pregnant with my first little boy, I had read it, because back then because I was walking back and forth, toc-, well not back and forth, I was walking home from, uh, the college I was going to
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] in Kentucky. And I was having to walk along the highway. It was just one day a week. But it was, in, I, I have no sense of smell, so I couldn't smell this, but it would make me sick, and I'd be real tired anyway
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] just from walking
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] along the highway.
[speaker002:] Golly, that's, that's bad.
[speaker001:] But, yeah, it's, yeah, all the exhaust. Uh, well, that was four years ago, too, it's probably a lot worse now.
[speaker002:] Oh, I'm sure.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, they, um, you can really feel it, you know, in your breathing, even normal people, and if you're older, um, I mean, you can really deplete your oxygen, and it'll, you know, pass out,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and it's, you know, it's killed several people.
[speaker001:] Do you, uh, smoke?
[speaker002:] Um, actually, I'm a very, I just smoke one in the evening if that. So, I'm a very, very light smoker.
[speaker001:] W-, yeah, it's kind of l-,
[speaker002:] It was kind of funny. They were doing some, uh, ozone testing, and, uh, th-, the E P A and they were just screening some candidates, and I don't think I'd ever, you know, do that, but they, uh, asked me if I was a smoker, and I didn't fit into the smoker's category, and I didn't fit into the nonsmoker's category. Um, it was, you know, I was just one of those
[speaker001:] Yeah, because you do smoke one a day.
[speaker002:] yeah, in between people. So that kind of threw them off.
[speaker001:] Um. Uh,
[speaker002:] But they're doing a lot of research here, uh, the E P A
[speaker001:] For the air pollution.
[speaker002:] For ozone, and {F oh, yeah, } all that. They're, they're real big into it. They've got Research Triangle Park here, and they're, you know, they're just doing a lot of, uh, lot of stuff.
[speaker001:] Huh. But, they, I don't hear much about it down here. Course, Texas, we don't have a bunch of c-, pollution.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] But, too, we've got that air coming in off the coast.
[speaker002:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And you know it'd blow it up north.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, maybe that's part of the reason it's not so bad down here.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, no it would seem like it would be the same way in, on the California coastline, wouldn't it?
[speaker002:] Oh, gosh, I think I would hate to live in California, the smog there.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I mean, I can't believe they have warnings here, which it, it's mainly just when it gets real, real hot.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. But they usually have that everywhere because of the humidity especially.
[speaker002:] Really? W-, well that's kind of good to know, because I thought lord, I thought I lived in a halfway decent area.
[speaker001:] I think they do that for most everybody.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] I-, especially, it's usually for the young children and the older, the old people
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] older old people.
[speaker002:] Well you ought to come to North Carolina. It's a big change [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] It is?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] There was no trees where I was from, in Amarillo, and here they've got the mountains, the beach, the trees, you know, it's
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] they've got streams, rivers, ponds, it's really pretty here.
[speaker001:] Oh, well, this is pretty wooded area down here so,
[speaker002:] Is it?
[speaker001:] l-, in a lot of parts, yeah. I know Texas is supposed to be flat, but they've got, you know, down by the Denison Dam
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] there's a lot of, uh,
[speaker002:] Sherman and Denison, do you know my grandparents live in Durant?
[speaker001:] They do?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] They live close then.
[speaker002:] Yeah, real close. I go there,
[speaker001:] In Durant, Oklahoma?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You go where? Uh, you go to visit them?
[speaker002:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, we used to go fishing in Lake Texoma.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, down by Lake Texoma there's a bunch of wooded area. This, but, but Kentucky's beautiful. They've got trees, and trees are supposed to, you know, purify. You know what the best indoor purifying plant is for smoke and stuff?
[speaker002:] Huh-, huh-uh.
[speaker001:] It's a philodendron.
[speaker002:] Oh, really?
[speaker001:] It's supposed to filter the air for you, in your home.
[speaker002:] Well, I'm going to have to get some.
[speaker001:] I had one. My husband bought it for me when my daughter was born three months, four months ago.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Do you smoke?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I do.
[speaker002:] Do you?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I do.
[speaker002:] Did you smoke when you, when you were pregnant?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I did. I couldn't make myself quit.
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] I did cut down a lot [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I mean I can understand that, actually.
[speaker001:] I got, I, I've got one vice and smoke is, smoking is it.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well,
[speaker001:] I don't, I don't drink, and I try not to cuss, and I do, I do very little, and smoking, I just, I got in the habit of it when I was about thirteen.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, one thing I miss is, uh, is the people from Texas, are, are, you know, I miss their morals, their values and everything. It's, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, we're down here at the Bible belt, aren't we? Uh, I wasn't saved until I got down here, and people down here are just, there's so many Christians, and it's so different from Kentucky but,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. How'd you get involved in this research?
[speaker001:] Um, I worked at T I for a while, but then my brother-in-law works there, and he got me into it.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see. Huh.
[speaker001:] How'd you get into it?
[speaker002:] Um, I, I was taking a voice I O class and, um, and actually doing some research, and so they told me about this project.
[speaker001:] Well, it's fun, I like talking to new people.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I, half the time, well a couple of times I've been interrupted by my little girl, I've had to hang up and stuff.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But I enjoy it. I talked to people from, well, C-, what, Carolina now
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] up in, uh, Boston, and New York, well Boston is New York, isn't it? No.
[speaker002:] Uh, no, Boston's above.
[speaker001:] Boston, Massachusetts [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But I've talked to people in New York, but I've talked to a lot of people in Texas, because I guess, it's because T I -s down here.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I've talked to a lot of people in Texas. I had one call f-, actually from Charlotte, North Carolina, and Virginia, and, um, I can't remember where all. From up north, like you said, I think one was from Boston.
[speaker001:] With Boston, I love their accent [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I do, I love the Boston acc-, accent. I met a girl from Boston one time. My husband was in the service, so we went from Kentucky to Louisiana
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] down here to Texas, and his family's
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] down here. We're out of the service now.
[speaker002:] Oh, I bet you're glad.
[speaker001:] Yeah, he got out of it, his unit, right after Panama. We went to Pana-, he went to Panama
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] when Noriega was doing all that.
[speaker002:] Oh, gosh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, he... |
[speaker001:] hello hello my name is uh Donna Donahue and I'm calling from Plano Texas
[speaker002:] yes how you doing did you uh press one
[speaker001:] hi yes I did
[speaker002:] oh guess we ought to get started I'm Phil
[speaker001:] okay um let's see um I enjoy watching the Today Show early in the morning with my first cup of coffee because everyone is still sleeping I have three children and I enjoy watching the news because I probably don't have as much time as I'd like to read sit and read the paper um what about yourself
[speaker002:] I like uh I would like probably like I think I like the Today Show on the rare occasions I get to watch it I uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh first one comes to mind uh without a lot of thought is uh Thirty Something which course is not on the air any more unfortunately it was one of my favorite shows
[speaker001:] um right I yeah I enjoyed that too I guess too also that was a nice one because it was at a time when the kids are already in bed um I
[speaker002:] uh yeah and I was gonna say uh I'll Fly Away which uh I think it was supposed to uh catch some of the same viewers as uh
[speaker001:] uh I haven't had a chance to
[speaker002:] we've been trying to watch that it's uh not quite as good I guess you got to get into it
[speaker001:] uh-huh is it isn't it it set in a different era is it um was was it the fifties in the fifties or in in the sixties
[speaker002:] yeah it's uh it's about uh the civil rights struggle in the fifties
[speaker001:] okay I didn't I've I've seen the commercials for it but it's not uh seem to be on at a good time for me I try to stay away from horror movies I just dislike them totally
[speaker002:] totally agree
[speaker001:] yeah I I don't um uh one
[speaker002:] well I say violence and horror I just kind of lump them together
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's that's that's right and um with young kids in the house we just really try to screen a lot of the things that they they watch um we watch a lot of Sesame Street and a lot of PBS and the uh Discover channel or Lifetime
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah that's fantastic isn't it that Discovery Channel it's
[speaker001:] yes it is it is it is wonderful and especially my eleven year old is just fascinated by some of the the things they have on there um what else I my husband enjoys watching a lot of sports which I really um don't particularly enjoy but they're they're on you know I tolerate it
[speaker002:] well I uh I like watching the Oilers and the uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's about it I guess I'll watch that's about the only sports I really like to get into on TV
[speaker001:] okay and um what else is there's a lot of things that I just can't believe is even on TV you watch it for two minutes and think this is so ridiculously stupid
[speaker002:] yeah well one of the good things is having cable they uh they uh now uh you know the choices are so so good and so uh variety variety there that you can really
[speaker001:] you you can change it you know what is a good station too we uh subscribe to the Disney Channel
[speaker002:] oh yeah I think if my kids were small small again we'd probably would too but uh
[speaker001:] yeah it's it's a really nice and it they have um you know movies that sometimes we'll sit and enjoy and it's it's really a very nice uh that was we dropped um HBO because there was just never anything appropriate on for the kids and now with renting videos so readily I mean you can just rent it if you really want to see it that badly
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] uh it's kind of a toss up there whether the inconvenience of renting the video versus uh there never seemed to be anything good on when we wanna watch it you know
[speaker001:] that's right and then and then they repeat everything so often too and or if it's on at ten at night well I I'm asleep by ten at night I don't think I could stay up that late any more um not to start a movie anyway
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well that's true and uh then course they have the Pay-Per-View but our our channel uh system here in Houston is uh is not noted for being the greatest you know I think we kind of got the short end of the stick when uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] programming came around so
[speaker001:] I see I see
[speaker002:] they charge a lot that's four dollars and a half or something like that per per view it seems a little high
[speaker001:] yeah it that does that does seem high but um what other there's a I guess one or two sitcoms and the kids of course like to watch that new dinosaur show that's uh which is pretty silly but but they
[speaker002:] oh yeah we used to watch uh when my kids would watch when the teenage kids would watch that uh Bart Simpson that was pretty good
[speaker001:] yeah yeah once in a while Bryan watch that but that is more for an older kid than than the younger ones
[speaker002:] yeah they were teenagers huh
[speaker001:] you know so that that seems okay for them
[speaker002:] I I like Roseanne that's uh Coach
[speaker001:] I do too I had to try to tell my kids that you know we don't really talk to each other like that I hope we don't anyway to make sure they don't think well gee mom
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] look what their kid just said said well but um and and the kids like to watch that Doogie Howsner but that even that sometimes I have to shut it off and say and say it's an adult theme we don't need to watch that tonight we'll we'll get out the Clue game or
[speaker002:] yeah huh-uh
[speaker001:] or I'll suffer Parcheesi or something with them
[speaker002:] at least you're exercising a little control |
[speaker001:] well do you have a lawn
[speaker002:] yes we have a house with a big backyard for the kids to play in and a pretty good size front yard
[speaker001:] oh good so who cuts the grass
[speaker002:] my husband it's not a job that I enjoy at all
[speaker001:] well I used to own a home and when I owned my house I had a small yard and a small front yard and a small backyard then I cut the grass but I sold it so now I live in an apartment
[speaker002:] so you don't have to fool with any of that anymore
[speaker001:] so I don't have to fool with any of it no
[speaker002:] well I'm big into the plant I like the the flower beds and plants a lot better than I do the lawn
[speaker001:] oh then my wife and you would probably get along well um-hum
[speaker002:] so yeah I had used to have a garden until the kids got older and we don't have any more room in the backyard so now all I've got is flowers instead of vegetables
[speaker001:] yeah we talk about um Laura talks about growing uh right right now she's interested I think in a herb garden she mentioned this morning that she could grow just you know flower box
[speaker002:] hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and I think that's but I think uh after after we um after I finish school and we're ready to you know settle down someplace and I get a decent job then we'll look for something probably with a nice size yard that we can have a garden
[speaker002:] yeah it's nice to have nothing is better than going out there and picking your own tomatoes or different vegetables and things to eat
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that yeah that and that's the big problem with being in an apartment is we've talked about it and even uh Laura even said you know as a wedding present we should ask for these big pots you know that we could put on the front porch and because the apartment complex actually we have the whole front porch and somebody else lives on the other side so we thought about you know having putting it in pots and putting the pots just on our steps
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and growing maybe tomatoes or flowers like right now it would be beautiful in in Maryland you know daffodils are just all blooming so it would be really pretty
[speaker002:] um yeah container gardening is really pretty easy because I've done some of it before
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you just need to get the you need to get the right mix of soil so that it doesn't dry out
[speaker001:] yep yep
[speaker002:] and so that your plants because and then you have to you still have to water them a lot of times once a here in Dallas you have to water sometimes twice a day because it gets so hot in the summer
[speaker001:] yeah well we wouldn't have to worry about that right now we're going through we just it just rained all day today or it's been raining most of the morning drizzling off and on but yeah
[speaker002:] um well we've got a beautiful day and there are people out everywhere all of our neighbors are out scalping their lawn for the first time
[speaker001:] oh really this is what is it I guess your growing season's just about to begin oh
[speaker002:] yes we hit our we'll hit our last spring freeze it snowed here as late as May before but that was really unusual our our our last freeze is usually about April fifteenth
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yeah that's a
[speaker002:] and so we're all everybody's out planting and buying and
[speaker001:] yeah see we're a little bit later than that but that's right that's about right about the same yeah
[speaker002:] seeing what died um-hum
[speaker001:] but I think um I think you you though must have much warmer weather through the winter so that's
[speaker002:] yeah it makes it nice for gardening when it's when it's like that because we can grow a lot of things even through the winter that uh y'all can't grow we can start I can start a garden in July I've done that and and plant some of the uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] sturdier crops broccoli and things like that you have to really water it a lot when it's when it's young like that and it's in the heat but then
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and then July and August yeah
[speaker002:] then as the fall comes on you get a you can get a really beautiful second crop of a lot of the cooler weather vegetables and sometimes that's the only some peas and different things like that that's the only time of the year you can grow them
[speaker001:] um-hum hum
[speaker002:] because otherwise it's too it gets if you start them when it's cooler in the spring then it gets too hot in the summer
[speaker001:] right yeah that jeez I never thought of that because see here our growing season is basically done by um well you might have some tomatoes still blooming in uh in October the begining very begining first week of October
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but normally everything's done by September end of September means you're basically done growing anything
[speaker002:] yeah um yeah but it gets a lot colder up there a lot quicker because we can grow sometimes there have been times when when I've grown stuff out I've grown broccoli up and through November
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah because it oh gee that'd be nice
[speaker002:] and still have it producing and okra okra will grow real okra will grow to be six foot tall it's just
[speaker001:] um-hum we don't even grow okra up here
[speaker002:] yeah you probably don't have the right temperatures and stuff probably not too many people eat it up there either it seems to be kind of a southern delicacy
[speaker001:] yeah we don't have the right whatever yeah well I think it it it it's getting um a little bit more popular because see there's a lot of the um first you know first the big wave of Tex-Mex food came by you know and so we're we're big into tacos and stuff up here now and and taco salads and things
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] which they probably Mexican people don't even know what a taco salad is but I think it's now it's moving up too because uh just a change you know just something different
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] plus it's a little bit more vegetable oriented and I think the uh the mid Atlantic states have been a long time holdout for beef and potatoes
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I think it's our Irish descent
[speaker002:] maybe so
[speaker001:] yeah but I think it it's changing now yeah so I so we do know what okra is I wouldn't have known what it was when I was a teenager though
[speaker002:] um-hum oh well what's your favorite plant if you were you know you were talking about your containers maybe you were going to get those started what would you like to put in them
[speaker001:] well we were going to probably just going to start well because we're going to be moving we're talking about just putting throwing tomatoes in
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know and then uh but also things like tulips I think uh I would have liked to had flowers like daffodils blooming right now you know
[speaker002:] yeah tulips is just kind of late because you have to you have to force them
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] if you were going to do that you might put some strawberries in there around the edges
[speaker001:] yeah we we talked about that too in fact um our sister-in-law Laura's brother's wife you know was talking about you know putting strawberries uh moving their strawberries because they just moved
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I it's this problem with being in school you know they just moved and they took their strawberries that they had out in their yard and put them all in containers and they're going to decide what they're going to do with them I think but they're going to let them bloom this year in the containers
[speaker002:] yeah they'll work that way and they're they're kind of pretty they've got little white flowers and
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum would you have to stake them up do aren't they do they grow along the ground strawberries
[speaker002:] long as you no they'd grow kind of like a vine they they put out little feelers kind of like an ivy would
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and and along those is where that's where the strawberry grows and it will eventually take over an area you plant them when you plant strawberries you plant them like six to eight inches or more you can even plant further than that but to cover an area so you cover you put them eight inches apart all through a flower bed
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] and by the next year you'll have pretty much a solid bed of strawberries
[speaker001:] oh see I've never grown strawberries
[speaker002:] they're real simple that's why I like them I just put a bunch out because you just put them out there and you water them
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the bugs don't least here at least here the bugs don't particularly bother them and they don't require a lot of fertilizing or care you know during the rest of the year
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum just water
[speaker002:] yeah and then about every five years you have to dig them up and throw them away and start over again they don't last forever
[speaker001:] um-hum well they say aren't maybe you're supposed to cut them back cut them and
[speaker002:] it that can help but you just get to a point where they're just not productive anymore
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's just a kind of uh just the way the plant is
[speaker001:] yeah rotationary thing
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] oh that's interesting see because I've never really grown strawberries lot of tomatoes but never really strawberries
[speaker002:] yeah I like tomatoes but I always end up with when I've grown them I I end up with the little cherry tomatoes
[speaker001:] uh yeah
[speaker002:] just thousands of them and I can't figure out what to do with them all
[speaker001:] hundreds of thousand you can't even give them away
[speaker002:] yeah because everybody else is growing
[speaker001:] I can remember as a kid growing up my whole family all my family grew strawberries grew excuse me grew tomatoes
[speaker002:] the same kind of thing
[speaker001:] so whenever somebody would come over your house they'd always bring some tomatoes well but you grew your own tomatoes
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so if somebody brings you half a dozen tomatoes it doesn't do you any good because you already had a half a dozen you know pulled that day
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it's really funny
[speaker002:] yeah some other things that'll grow good in those containers and you can you can mix and match the flowers with your your vegetables and grow around them marigolds and impatiens
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh yeah
[speaker002:] they do real good especially impatiens because you tend to get shade when you're on a porch area part of the time
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mix all all my flower beds are mixed up I've got onions behind the irises and
[speaker001:] well that's makes sense though
[speaker002:] all back and forth and around yeah because they're going be they'll grow now from now until the about middle of June then I'll have all the onions and they'll be out and then I'll put in some flowers
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] some annuals for the rest of the year and some color
[speaker001:] um oh you are a big gardener huh
[speaker002:] yeah I like getting in the dirt I just don't I hate mowing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's just too hot and it has to be done too often
[speaker001:] yeah I guess the more you plant the less you have to mow
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] because that's a when I had my yard it was you know it was it was really a hassle uh cutting grass was just a terrible just the thought of it was a terrible thing oh I used to hate it
[speaker002:] yeah with ours it wouldn't be so bad we had a self propelled mower but the self propelled part broke
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and so it doesn't and then and then it weighs a ton
[speaker001:] yep because it's when it's self propelled it's heavy yeah
[speaker002:] because it's yeah and it's so it's supposed to pull itself along and my husband it doesn't bother him and he I'm got out and mowed for him one day just to be nice so he wouldn't have to do it when he got home and I said what is with this mower I can't even push it around the yard
[speaker001:] yeah that
[speaker002:] and you know he's like well I get more exercise pushing it around
[speaker001:] my uh my brother went out and bought a mower used you know he was looking for a lawn mower and he he just had bought a house he lived in an apartment before
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and he bought a used mower it was a real big heavy one and he said that that you know basically they they sold it on him because you know it was a macho thing
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the bigger and heavier the lawn mower the more macho the guy behind it so you know of course he wouldn't couldn't buy one of those little little tiny skinny ones that you can get at one of the uh one of the Aames or
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the the fast mowing places you had to buy a big one you know because it meant something for your macho same reason why you have to drive a big truck with four wheels you know with four wheel drive
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it was a macho thing he had to use that but then after he used it one year he took it back to where he got it used and he sold it back to them and traded it in for another one that was smaller because he said it was just too dang heavy
[speaker002:] yeah too many trips around the yard with that thing huh for sure
[speaker001:] yeah plus I think he lives at a small hillside too so
[speaker002:] oh gosh
[speaker001:] yeah cut trying to cut it sideways on an angle and turning around you know without it tipping over was a pain
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's the other thing with my husband he gets he he's one of these people he didn't care about the flower beds and stuff we I guess we divide it pretty well that way but he he gets real picky about the grass he wants to get out there and he cuts it on diagonal
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and goes all this back and forth and you know and gets the weed eater out and trims all the little bits around the flower beds and all the little bits around the trees that he did n't get
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] he'll go out there and spend four hours on the lawn
[speaker001:] uh-huh well it's probably his his his personal time while he's cutting the grass he's probably thinking about something else
[speaker002:] I guess
[speaker001:] it's probably and plus no one bothers him you know you walk behind a lawn mower making all that noise no one ever talks to you you know you're on your own
[speaker002:] no nobody's going to bother you |
[speaker002:] where in California you live
[speaker001:] uh it's near National it's near uh San Diego it's called National City
[speaker002:] okay I was down that way once but I don't think I remember that is it on the coast
[speaker001:] yeah it's just a little rinky-dink town but most people don't go there it's really not a good neighborhood
[speaker002:] I went all the way down to Imperial Beach once that's far as I went
[speaker001:] yeah it's nicer down there
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] unfortunately I need to be near near the naval base so my choice of living quarters is limited so um are you ready to begin
[speaker002:] yes I guess we're gonna talk about camping is that right
[speaker001:] right okay I'll push the button hang on
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] all right there we go so do you go camping at all
[speaker002:] well yeah my wife and I like to camp um usually just on short trips like a weekend or long weekend and we generally go to uh State or National parks
[speaker001:] yeah my husband and I like going for the long weekends we usually like going up to one of the camping grounds that have a lake near it because we like to fish and camp
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah well we don't really care for fishing anything that that resembles work uh so we just uh what we do is hike and take pictures that's about all
[speaker001:] yeah I I like hiking unfortunately around here there's not too many spots to do stuff like that
[speaker002:] well Texas has a pretty nice system of state parks we've got um state parks just all over the place on different kinds of terrain and most of them
[speaker001:] yeah I'm from Arizona and they've got a lot of it there too they've also got desert desert uh I don't know what you call it but
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] sites in the desert they have a special name for it
[speaker002:] well Texas has every thing from desert to uh swamp so I don't think they have too many
[speaker001:] I don't think I'd like the swamp but mountains and deserts
[speaker002:] they don't have too many swamps in Arizona I don't think I don't think I've uh seen too many swamps in Arizona
[speaker001:] huh no it's pretty much dry
[speaker002:] now we may do some camping camping in Arizona though I've got uh my uh brother and sister and father all live in Sedonia now Sedonia yeah
[speaker001:] oh really do you know where Mayer's at
[speaker002:] what is it
[speaker001:] Mayer outside Prescott
[speaker002:] Mayer oh yeah uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I I think I remember going through there is that between Prescott and Jerome or over the other way
[speaker001:] over the other way it's actually if you blinked you'd miss it
[speaker002:] uh-huh well it be yeah I think I do remember a little wide place in the road called Mayer well anyway they uh everybody there says that you know there are places you can camp uh right around Sedonia there are
[speaker001:] oh there's a lot of beautiful camping places around Sedonia and they're getting they're getting more of them
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] they're just doing it slowly but surely but um I like the rustic kind of camping
[speaker002:] yeah well we we do we like actually we like to get off uh where there aren't too many people around
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] we did find a nice uh prospect uh down on the gulf um there's a uh national wildlife wildlife refuge called Urandus I don't know if you've heard of it that's where the whooping cranes go in the winter or at least where a lot of them go
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh there's and island right off that called Matagorda and uh you can take a ferry boat out there and it's uh completely uh pretty much anyway complete wilderness island
[speaker001:] oh that'd be neat
[speaker002:] sort of like a big sand bar you know you wanna make sure there aren't any big storms coming
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] but uh then you can uh take a uh take a little bus across the island to the to the gulf side rather than the bay side and uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it's really nice out there lots of sea birds
[speaker001:] that sounds like it'd be nice yeah unfortunately my husband and I haven't been able to go camping because I just had two kids two two boys and
[speaker002:] all at once or all at once
[speaker001:] huh well no no I spaced them about a year a part
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but until they get a little bit older we really don't want to take them out camping with us
[speaker002:] that could be difficult I've seen a few people had small babies camping but uh didn't look like any of them were really enjoying the experience very much
[speaker001:] yeah when I go camping I like to get out and hike and do things and when you have little kids you really can't do that very much
[speaker002:] yeah well I sort of like to feel less tied down rather than more tied down when I go camping and
[speaker001:] right that's the object of it you know get out and feel free and do things you don't normally get to do
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but um yeah we haven't got to go lately but when we go we we're from Arizona so when we go back on vacation next year we'll get to go which should be nice
[speaker002:] well I really like Arizona I like uh uh a couple times this last year I've made it up to Jerome just to enjoy the altitude and everything and it's really neat up there somehow
[speaker001:] it is actually
[speaker002:] I met the town historian |
[speaker002:] okay well considering you moved here from California I guess the rain for the past few weeks has been different than what you would have down there
[speaker001:] yeah oh yeah we have um in California I'm in central I lived in central California we have rain couple times a year and other than that you know it'd be maybe October and then in the spring and then other than that there wouldn't be any rain
[speaker002:] especially the last few years
[speaker001:] so yeah yeah
[speaker002:] it's kind of has it's kind of been a drought out there hasn't it uh
[speaker001:] yeah there has so here I know that um last year there was some ice storms while I was out of the state and I'm glad to see there haven't been any this year
[speaker002:] that's what I was thinking yet generally if we're gonna get them it's not going to happen uh prior to January one you know you may get a cold snap or two or some rain or something like we've been getting in December but
[speaker001:] yeah yet still could come huh uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] usually the bitterest weather if we're gonna have any comes in January and February then by March things are getting warm again so we really don't have as long a cold season I guess as people up north
[speaker001:] hm yeah yeah it's so hard to predict here
[speaker002:] it's been eighty degrees on Christmas day here before lots of times
[speaker001:] yeah well today it's not bad out there
[speaker002:] no it's nice I just came in from outside and it's it's really pretty it's kind of nice to have it dry all the ground out
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] before it rains again I'm a I'm a scoutmaster and so I wind up going out camping with
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh a bunch of boys at one time and so its better for us if it hasn't been just totally wet before we go
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah so you do that even in January huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah we camp year round
[speaker001:] yeah oh that's interesting
[speaker002:] but uh it's uh it's definitely different and then I guess you've been through a couple of summers here too right
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yep and they're not too pleasant it gets so humid to me it's humid here people that I know that come from um like Georgia or North Carolina yeah they say this isn't humid
[speaker002:] well it is it's not as humid as Houston say or Atlanta but it
[speaker001:] yeah but I find it humid
[speaker002:] its more humid than Arizona and California for the most part
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] were you northern California
[speaker001:] yeah I was central California Central Valley so it's very dry there
[speaker002:] central okay so that was dry but pretty even climate wasn't it year round fairly not wide fluctuations
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well it's pretty hot in the summer it's in the usually you know for a good three four weeks we have over a hundred degrees but it's a dry heat yeah
[speaker002:] but it's a drier hundred when you have a hundred here everybody's dying
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I know huh well I lived in Africa for a couple years in
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] Cameroon and that's a tropical climate and it really feels similar to this during the summer
[speaker002:] what types of what take what type of business takes you to those climates or was that just vacation or something
[speaker001:] no I was um working with um I still work with Wycliffe Bible Translators
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] it's an organization where we are looking to translate the Bible into languages of the world that aren't yet written
[speaker002:] not so much still trying to translate old texts as just trying to translate modern versions into other languages
[speaker001:] right languages that don't have anything written yet so this is like the first thing that's written down or you know first an alphabet is developed and then um
[speaker002:] oh that's interesting you don't think about that as a career a normal career uh when you're thinking of things that people might be doing
[speaker001:] so yeah yeah well it's based here um the international headquarters for Wycliffe Bible Translators is right here in in Dallas
[speaker002:] oh so you're you're with the home office now
[speaker001:] yeah right now I am so that's what brought me here yeah
[speaker002:] well the uh I think uh all in all there are a lot worse climates than Dallas uh the weather
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know does change fast and things do happen severely a few times a year but there's an awful lot of good weather too in between
[speaker001:] yeah I agree I agree I I thought the fall was really nice
[speaker002:] yeah and usually a lot of the spring months are really nice too after the last freeze and and when it begins to be in the sixties and seventies most of the time uh I like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] particularly if I'm gonna be outdoors and doing uh outdoor activity hiking and things and that's nicer yeah I do quite a bit of that
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah and you probably do a lot of that with scouts scouting uh-huh
[speaker002:] think we're going in just a couple of weeks out to the east Texas and it is a little more humid out there than it is here so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I guess we'll the only thing you have to watch out in this part of the country is during the change type seasons is the really severe storms that occasionally come through out here on the plains there's not much between us and the North Pole and then when you get one of those tornado type
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] systems through or severe hail or thunderstorms and it it doen't seem to be |
[speaker001:] uh do you want to give a start on it
[speaker002:] well I think for me I I'm from Alabama south Alabama and so I grew up in the midst of civil rights movement
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh in a pretty liberal family for for that area at the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so I was very much a part of all the uh you know what was going on there uh
[speaker001:] uh-hum
[speaker002:] my parents are pretty active and uh it was very scary and but now we've seen you know uh black people have a lot more civil rights in that area and I guess all over than they did you know twenty years ago
[speaker001:] oh definitely
[speaker002:] there's still a lot to be you know to be accomplished but
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] for me when I think about social change that's what I first think of because I can remember you know separate public restrooms and separate water fountains and sitting in the back of the bus and everything
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh you can relate to that now see we didn't we don't have any of that because well like we live in the country
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] in Clarion County and uh we really didn't have things like that going on that we you know uh ran into
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so we kind of uh I guess when I think of social changes I think think more of uh uh visiting habits of families and such uh uh
[speaker002:] yeah well that's true that's a good one right there
[speaker001:] yeah that there's less visiting done I think on a whole than there used to be used to be that you took the family whether the kids wanted to go or not you went visiting and uh today you know people they do visit but it's not quite the same as uh what it was say twenty years ago thirty years ago
[speaker002:] right and I grew up in out in the country too basically in a rural area and with lots of family
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so we were always at family in different people family members' homes but even now you know they don't even do that
[speaker001:] right uh-huh uh-huh well they're so spread out I think has a lot to do with it
[speaker002:] well and they're so busy people people's personal schedules are so busy
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] mainly because I a lot of it has to do I think with more women working in our family you know twenty years ago not that many of the women worked and now uh almost all the women work
[speaker001:] right right that's right yeah the majority yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] and so that means you know a lot of a lot of the social visiting and all was I think probably instigated by women at that time right and now
[speaker001:] probably because when you work you don't really care to go out and visit as much
[speaker002:] that's right and now uh I mean my mother does not work and and she you know she's finds finds herself pretty alone a lot because most of her friends are working women
[speaker001:] and uh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but even just social visits people don't do that anymore you're right and people don't feel comfortable just to drop in on people anymore
[speaker001:] no huh-uh they don't do as much uh-huh
[speaker002:] there's a real
[speaker001:] you have to make arrangements or have an invitation or
[speaker002:] right you know you don't want to you want to make sure it's okay or I guess we don't not to make invade people's privacy or whatever
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well that could be part of it I don't know for sure what it is I know our children mostly are scattered out at a distance so we really don't have that even we don't yeah
[speaker002:] well out of out of fifteen grandchildren in my family only two of us don't live within fifty miles
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] and that and most live within ten or or twenty so but that's you know that is rural it's a rural family and
[speaker001:] oh that's pretty good yeah uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] most people didn't go away I'm just one of the two out of fifteen that don't live in the you know even in the same state
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh well apparently there must be work available
[speaker002:] yeah there is in that area
[speaker001:] for those that are uh-huh because around here there's really nothing for the young people no good I mean there's jobs there's minimum wage jobs but uh to make a good living there really around here there just isn't too much
[speaker002:] um-hum and I guess you know that would greatly affect social change I use social change probably the job market has always and the the economy has always affected uh social change
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] probably
[speaker001:] so well there's the main things I can think of I really tried to think of some other things and I couldn't really
[speaker002:] well I think just also you know
[speaker001:] that
[speaker002:] the women's movement too has affected a lot of social change uh people marry
[speaker001:] yeah definitely some good and some bad
[speaker002:] yeah people marry later
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean basically I think now again where I'm from in in Alabama that's not necessarily true because people do still get married right out of high school
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but now out here in Texas where I am now that's very unusual
[speaker001:] they'd rather get their life started first before uh-huh
[speaker002:] most people get married I mean get go to college or at least get a job and even you know people are seem to a lot of people seem to
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] be engaged for a long time before they get married because they do want to be financially set up
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah well even to get school finished I think a lot of times it's better if they do finish their schooling before they settle in because a marriage takes a lot of effort and concentration and if you're busy with school it's I think it's really difficult for a family
[speaker002:] right but probably uh you know more women being in in the work force also greatly greatly affects social change because it affects child care and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh right right yeah I know my my daughter that lives in Pittsburgh she has two little boys and they they've been in day care since you know one's four and one's one
[speaker002:] but right
[speaker001:] and they've done well now I wouldn't want to do it that way but uh she's quite happy and the children seem quite adjusted and uh
[speaker002:] well and they're you know they're they're saying right now we don't know what we just now are seeing the effects of day care on the generation that's just now coming into the work force and in their twenties
[speaker001:] uh-huh that's right yeah uh-huh yes uh-huh
[speaker002:] they are the first generation that basically grew up with day care and so you know it remained to be seen exactly what that what that does
[speaker001:] that's right yeah uh-huh now I'm going to babysit my granddaughter she's just eight weeks old so this will be new for me
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so uh but the others I'm too far away to help them out at all
[speaker002:] where do they live
[speaker001:] uh well I have a son and daughter that live in Pittsburgh one in Maryland and one in Connecticut a son in Connecticut
[speaker002:] well they're not too far though
[speaker001:] no but like Connecticut takes eight hours to drive home and uh it's too far to you know really go too often
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] Pittsburgh's not quite so bad it's just a couple hours Maryland maybe five hour drive
[speaker002:] well I live like fourteen hours from home in fact I'm
[speaker001:] that's uh-huh that's worse yet
[speaker002:] I'm driving tomorrow I'm I'm driving home tomorrow so to go be there for the Fourth of July
[speaker001:] oh are you really do you uh stay overnight on the way or you
[speaker002:] no I can drive it all it's just me so I can make it I'm thirty five
[speaker001:] you're young how old are you okay well you're young enough yet to
[speaker002:] although it's it's it is pretty I don't know I don't enjoy it that much it's pretty much like get there and
[speaker001:] uh-huh it's work to get there yeah yeah huh
[speaker002:] it's just not that pleasant even with other people I basically just don't like to drive that far
[speaker001:] uh-huh now my son they they flew he rebuilt a Aranca Chief airplane and they flew down last weekend they came down in it and it still took a long time because it's not a fast it's not a high-speed airplane
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but they enjoyed in thoroughly so
[speaker002:] when you say you're in the second phase of this project what is the second phase of it
[speaker001:] I'm not sure but you have to change phones you have to call from another a different
[speaker002:] oh |
[speaker001:] okay well do you have a pet
[speaker002:] I have two cats
[speaker001:] two cats you're lucky
[speaker002:] and do and oh and two fish
[speaker001:] you have two fish
[speaker002:] and what do you have
[speaker001:] well uh my husband you know how sometimes when you marry someone that you get along on everything except one major thing
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] my husband is a hunter fisherman outdoorsman Marlboro type person who had to have a sporting dog so we have a black Labrador
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] beautiful gorgeous black Labrador but to me he belongs up in the field you know in the ranch in the farm and
[speaker002:] right does he sleep in your house
[speaker001:] well because we finally negotiated that I was losing my mind um he sleeps in the laundry room and then he goes out for the day but this this is a beautiful dog and he is wonderful with our little girls and he is he's comes from a purebred line and there's nothing you could say bad about him except that I was more of a cat or a small dog person that you could sit in the chair and cuddle
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and this is huge you know of course when he runs around the yard he just digs he doesn't know that he's tearing up things but he does
[speaker002:] yeah yep
[speaker001:] and the worst part that I had with him he's he's three now was when he was uh about eight months old and I did not know what to expect from a dog having not had one
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I left him in the kitchen with the little baby gates up while I was gone for about an hour and I came home and he had ripped my wallpaper off my wall
[speaker002:] oh my word
[speaker001:] and it was in the floor and I just about lost it and I called and said come home and get your dog and so he said well puppies just chew when they're nervous and well I wish you had told me you know and it was about eight months later he ate a piece of a linoleum he kept picking at it and I didn't know the the tile in the kitchen and picked a hole in it
[speaker002:] oh dear
[speaker001:] so the last thing he did was when I had set out a whole lot of begonias in the back yard and he dug them all up and brought them to the porch and I told my husband I said you know it's either me or the dog and he looked at me like well you know so he loves this dog and every night when he comes home from work he hugs it and talks to him and he's a good dog
[speaker002:] good bye um-hum
[speaker001:] so it's one of those things I'm just having to get used to and that's why I laughed when they called it the topic I thought oh boy do I have a pet
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but I I grew up with cats and I'm very comfortable yeah
[speaker002:] I love my cats I had one cat for eighteen years I got her when I lived in Hawaii
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] before I even got married I had my cat
[speaker001:] she's old isn't she oh I started to say then you broke your heart
[speaker002:] well she I had to have her put to sleep last June oh it was awful it was just awful but and she just sat there on my lap you know she just just waited and
[speaker001:] oh oh bless your heart that makes me feel so bad
[speaker002:] oh it was awful but her hair but the bad thing was though she would pee in my husband's shoes you know and she just liked his shoes and he'd have to dress hundred dollar shoes
[speaker001:] yeah oh no oh oh no
[speaker002:] oh it's just bad and my closet and it was oh so sick
[speaker001:] oh that's awful I've never heard of that before
[speaker002:] it oh it's just terrible and once she did it you know then she would I mean she wouldn't if our shoes sat side by side she would pee in my husband's shoes she must have known he didn't like her or something
[speaker001:] um-hum or the smell or something
[speaker002:] oh anyway I've I've and I would shut I would bar the closet doors and I would carpet carpet vacuum uh clean the carpets and oh dear it was just awful that was very funny
[speaker001:] uh-huh well does now does your cat sleep in the house they are they're house cats
[speaker002:] I uh well I have two cats right now and of course they sleep with my kids my kids my my fourteen year old son has an extra pillow on his bed just for the cat
[speaker001:] yeah oh yeah good oh but the cat doesn't destruct does it see it doesn't do anything
[speaker002:] oh no I won't I'm not gonna have a dog we've had two dogs
[speaker001:] see
[speaker002:] and um they both got ran over after we've had them for several years just nice little outside dogs but
[speaker001:] oh no yeah
[speaker002:] were just my kids' friends they would go jogging I they would go with me when I would go running and and the last one got hit um as she was following my one of my sons across the road to the school
[speaker001:] oh oh no oh that is
[speaker002:] it was awful it was just and it just it's too heartbreaking but they do dig up and they just they just wreck things and I'm not a dog person
[speaker001:] they do wreck things well I'm not either I'm not either and it's just been
[speaker002:] ooh I wouldn't want a lab it sounds beautiful but but
[speaker001:] he's beautiful but it's just one of those concessions I just had to make but I kind of ignore him now today's the first cold we've had in Texas and it's really cold and drizzly and it's freezing and people are doing their fires
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] and I brought him in because he's just a wet mess out there and he's in the laundry room with this little carpet square and he's just huddled up like if you'll be nice to me I won't make any trouble you know again and then my daughters both have hamsters
[speaker002:] oh and how old are your girls
[speaker001:] and I I they're eleven and eight and I gave in at Christmas and they have they keep their cages real clean it always smells of cedar and they just sleep and eat bits of apple and carrots and
[speaker002:] oh yeah sure
[speaker001:] I think they're cutting us off oh
[speaker002:] no that's somebody's trying to cut in on my line and I don't want to answer I'll just wait no I've I've got incoming calls and I don't know why somebody's calling
[speaker001:] oh okay okay oh okay
[speaker002:] I I hate to cut it off I think they would cut us off so we'll just wait whoever it is will call back
[speaker001:] I understand okay well they'll cut us off pretty soon
[speaker002:] well it's somebody calling for my kids you know jeez actually it's my son I know it is my older boy he never likes to come home from school but anyway that's what we have and I have I've tried to start a fish fish tank and I keep losing all my fish
[speaker001:] yeah I know how does salt water salt water or basic yeah yeah
[speaker002:] no just regular water |
[speaker001:] Well, do you have any, uh, television programs that you watch regularly?
[speaker002:] Oh, this is kind of tough. I don't too often watch, you know, shows that are on, on a regular bases.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I don't have a lot of time and I don't really like some of them to tell you the truth.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] I mean I don't thing they have any redeeming value.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] But, uh, oh, I watch things like, uh, SIXTY MINUTES,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] every week. Uh, ugh, it's kind of tough to think of some of the others. Although, I do watch some of some of those frivolous things. Uh,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] like on Thursday nights at nine o'clock when I get home from aerobics I will watch, uh, KNOTS LANDING [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, you will?
[speaker002:] Yeah, just something like that for, you know, uh, end of the evening type of thing,
[speaker001:] Relax.
[speaker002:] but, uh. How about you?
[speaker001:] Well, I watch, um, I like news programs, like you mentioned, and sometimes I will watch, um, like the cable news, network evening news program.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I don't get that so I don't have,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] that choice.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I like that. I, I watch that a couple of times a week, um, it comes on like at nine o'clock,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] at night and I really don't have any like situation comedies that I watch regularly. I, I have seen that, um, MURPHY BROWN that comes on,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Monday nights before and it's kind of cute,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, but I don't,
[speaker002:] But there's a couple of those I've seen once in a while,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, I can't think of the name of the one that has the, uh, military, uh, fellow.
[speaker001:] Oh, but,
[speaker002:] I mean he's playing a military part. He's the husband of,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the girl on DESIGNING WOMEN.
[speaker001:] Right. I know who you're talking about. I haven't, I have seen it, I think, maybe once.
[speaker002:] Yeah, you know, it wa-, it was on one time when I saw it and, you know, it, it's pretty cute.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I like that Well, I, um, I, we really don't watch too many programs regularly. My children like some of the morning children's shows,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] when they're home. They, um, I just have one son who's in kindergarten so in the morning they will like to watch like, um, EUREKA'S CASTLE, it's called. It's just like a SESAME STREET,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] show, but [throat clearing], and they watch a couple of shows like that, but I don't watch any daytime T V at all.
[speaker002:] Yeah, no I don't,
[speaker001:] And, uh,
[speaker002:] I guess, uh, there's some, uh, things on Channel Thirteen that I watch pretty regularly.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] On Saturdays they have, uh, a variety of things, uh, and a lot of times I record it and watch it some other time. But, uh,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] they have programs on, uh, house repairs and,
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] how to build things and, um, they have a calligraphy show, and I do calligraphy, so, I watch that.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's nice.
[speaker002:] And, um, they have a lot of cooking shows,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, oh, you know, I'll just short of have it on sometimes to just sort of pick up little tidbits from those. I don't sit and watch them but, but I enjoy some of it and especially if I'm, uh, cooking on a Saturday evening or something,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and one of those is on, it kind of inspires me.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] That sounds like a good idea. I notice that, um, since we moved here that we, we did get the cable T V, and when the newspaper comes out on Sunday, I sometimes read through the movies that will be listed,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I record some. And then, uh, we have just totally cut down, and we never go to like a video tape rental anymore because there's always plenty of things that we can record and then,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and watch and then record over it, something else. And so that's been really nice because if you decide one evening you would like to stay home and have a quiet evening and watch a movie then you have two or three saved.
[speaker002:] Yeah, we do some of that,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] In fact, I probably am more interested in watching some of the movies that are on T V,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] than, you know, other kinds of things.
[speaker001:] Well, that's probably what I watch most frequently besides like news programs is the movies and they have a couple of channels that are like nostalgic older movies,
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] that I have really enjoyed that I'm seeing for the first time [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Like the MARX BROTHERS [static] and things like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, those are pretty good I, I like those old ones,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] much better than some of the new stuff.
[speaker001:] [Static] Right. And so we, we have really enjoyed that and it's really nice not to be running out. Some of the video rentals can be expensive and,
[speaker002:] Yeah. And, boy, the movie can be unbelievable.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, right. Going and paying six dollars for a ticket for one person at the theater or something. So we, I have, and it's so convenient at home and you can do it anytime y-, you take the notion.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And so, I have really enjoyed that but, but there are, I do have friends that watch programs like they want to see a particular program and they are either home watching it or definitely recording it. They have some programs that they won't miss.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, I'm not that hung up to most things.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I mean if I miss something big deal [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yes. Well, and things are repeated,
[speaker002:] Yeah. That's true.
[speaker001:] so often that you know if, if I have seen just a program once chances are it'll be that exact same show [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] if I ever decide to tune it in again,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] the only one I've ever seen and it'll be showing again. Pretty funny.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, uh, T V is something that we try an-, to not, um, deliberately try not to get hung up on it,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] like you say.
[speaker002:] We do too. Too many other things to do and too much going on.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. And we don't want our kids to, to grow up thinking that that's what you do with your,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] spare time.
[speaker002:] Right. I agree.
[speaker001:] So it's a little bit, something that we try doing and there's, there's a lot of good children's programs that you could watch they could watch several hours every day.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And you could say, oh, that's a good program for them because it's educational but still you want them to go out and do other things. Even if they're,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] good programs you don't want them sitting there watching them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Anyway. Well,
[speaker002:] Okay. Well, we probably exhausted that, huh?
[speaker001:] Yeah, That was pretty good I, I like that and, um, I guess it's time to go.
[speaker002:] Okay. I enjoyed talking to you.
[speaker001:] Yes. Nice to have spoken with you, too.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Bye-bye.
[speaker002:] Good-bye. |
[speaker001:] Okay, you ready?
[speaker002:] Yeah, is that it?
[speaker001:] That's it.
[speaker002:] Okay, [LAUGHTER]. Uh, well, we, I guess we have to talk about magazines and, uh, what, what,
[speaker001:] What, what kind do you subscribe to or do you?
[speaker002:] Well, I subscribe to P-, well, I did subscribe to PEOPLE for a long time. I do, you know, I enjoy PEOPLE. And now I'm, uh, [NOISE] I, uh, subscribe to, uh, LADIES HOME JOURNAL.
[speaker001:] I, uh, take a computer magazine.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, also, uh, BETTER HOMES AND GARDENS.
[speaker002:] Okay, are you interested in, in computers?
[speaker001:] And my pet peeve with magazines
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] is all the little cards inside.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And the cardboard pages [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, yeah, well, that, that would be one of my peeves. My pet peeves with magazines, the woman's magazines especially, I mean, it's, it's really geared to, all they have, you have too many recipes first of all. I just don't, you know, that's what I don't like about [NOISE] LADIES HOME JOURNAL magazines. Too many recipes, too many, uh, can this marriage with saved nonsense. I, you know, I like to read articles about things that matter. Well, of course, PEOPLE magazine is not, you know, one of your, uh,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] your more intellectual magazines, but it's nice, light reading [LAUGHTER]. You know, if I want something intellectual, I usually read a book.
[speaker001:] Well, that's true. I, uh, I like it [NOISE] when they have short stories. Like REDBOOK used to always have a good short story in it.
[speaker002:] Well, that's true, yeah, they did.
[speaker001:] And I haven't bought a REDBOOK in a while [NOISE], so I guess [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I, I really very rarely ever pick up a magazine anymore [NOISE].
[speaker002:] Well, is REDBOOK still in existence? I don't know [LAUGHTER] if they're, if they're around anymore.
[speaker001:] Yeah [breathing]. I think it is. Surely, *slash error; one utt with utt4 it's an institution, surely it would have to be.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] Well, I'll tell you, the only reason I bought the, uh, I subscribe to the JOURNAL is because of, which I think it was either, yeah, it was Publisher's Clearinghouse [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] They told me, you know, if I didn't subscribe they were going to take me off their, their winning, you know, their list [LAUGHTER]. So,
[speaker001:] Mine, too [LAUGHTER]. This was it, my last chance [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, my last, right, my last chance to win ten million dollars, so I figured, hey, look [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, I, I,
[speaker002:] For twelve dollars, you know,
[speaker001:] I went ahead and sent in my subscription because of that
[speaker002:] That's it.
[speaker001:] uh, to, uh, ENTERTAINMENT.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah, oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I was real disappointed with it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I, I don't know, it just, not enough stories with some substance that you can really get into.
[speaker002:] [Noise] Right.
[speaker001:] It's little short articles more than anything else.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And that's one thing I don't like about PEOPLE. Uh, it 's just, you know, doesn't seem to have enough story to it.
[speaker002:] Well, I don't know, I just think, uh, you know, it's,
[speaker001:] If you've only got a short time to read [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It's light reading. You know, you don't have, well, you don't have to concentrate, you know [LAUGHTER] you know.
[speaker001:] No, that's true [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It's entertaining, you know, and, uh, that's, I just, I enjoy it, I, you know, I, uh [NOISE]. Well, that ENTERTAINMENT is, is very, wasn't that similar, or isn't it similar to, to the TV GUIDE?
[speaker001:] Uh, [breathing], no, not really. I mean, not the one I take now. It's a, it's a magazine and it goes into all the movies, previewing the movies
[speaker002:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that are going to be released or behind the scenes.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I'm a real movie buff, so that's why I thought I might be interested in it, but it just hasn't been what I thought it would be.
[speaker002:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, my mother has subscribed to, is the reason I get, uh, the [NOISE] HOME JOURNAL and the, uh, computer book is because mother got a subscription for it and sent it to me.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] Otherwise, if, if I really want to take the time to read a magazine and I see one on the grocery shelf, I'll pick it up then.
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] Rather than having them delivered and think, oh, I really need to read this [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, I'll tell you, since I've been getting the JOURNAL, like maybe, maybe I'll read two, maybe three, if I read three articles in, in, you know, one of the JOURNALs, I figure, you know, I did really well.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Because there's just nothing in there that interests me. I don't, you know, I don't, I'm not into, you know, recipes and [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Well, I, I do like recipes and crafts.
[speaker002:] See, now, and I'm not into crafts, so, you know, that, that eliminates, like three quarters of the magazine [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You know.
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker002:] Well, I just got the new issue, they have Bette Midler on the cover, so that should be one article that I'll read anyway [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Do you, uh, |
[speaker001:] all right so I guess we're all right um I don't know what the laws are up in uh New York what's the law up in New York for capital punishment
[speaker002:] like it yeah well Governor Mario the uh holy one up here Mario Cuomo has been against capital punishment since he hit office here I'd say six years ago he's
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] he's for the concept of um uh life in prison without parole and every single year up in here in New York state the uh government the state assembly gets together and tries to pass a death penalty bill and every year he vetos it and upsets people
[speaker001:] gets sort of repetitious
[speaker002:] yeah he upsets people up here um every time he does it I don't what it is down in Florida these days
[speaker001:] it's legal down here um I I know they've done a few most of the time they'll get real close and then they'll pardon him or it hardly ever gets to that point uh I don't think they've done one in a long time but I know it's legal and I know one just about happened recently but it never went through so they try but you know very few actually go
[speaker002:] yeah Mario up here is claiming that um the reason why he's against capital punishment is because to send these things through the court system
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] on appeal then another appeal then another appeal ends up costing the taxpayers more than just putting the guy away for the rest of his life with no chance of parole so you know if it if it comes down to a money issue
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I you know in that case then I'm all for putting them behind bars as long as there's no chance of parole but you know what it's like when they
[speaker001:] yeah there's always those loopholes
[speaker002:] yeah they fill the court there the jails up and suddenly let them go and they're back on the street we had this murder up here um Art Shawcross up in Rochester killed nineteen prostitutes up here
[speaker001:] ooh
[speaker002:] and he was let out on parole from up in uh um Watertown and
[speaker001:] was that was that on purpose or was that a a snafu
[speaker002:] uh he was just well actually he it was on purpose I guess
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] he was uh he was a real psycho though and uh as a matter of fact it this happened under Cuomo's watch so the Bush administration was thinking if Cuomo is going to run for President they were gonna do instead of
[speaker001:] yeah that was his dirt huh
[speaker002:] yeah instead of Willie Horton now we have the Art Shawcross deal you know so so yeah I don't know what your feelings are about it being in Florida where you've had it before
[speaker001:] yeah um well I can I can vouch for the fact that the uh the appeals will go through and go through and go through and yeah it drags on for about forever you know I guess I'm about your your opinion of it I have nothing against it philosophically in terms of if you're absolutely sure I mean uh uh I I would feel that you better make sure it's one of those cases that has virtually no possibility of no you know you you pretty I mean supposedly you get through the courts you're not supposed to have any reasonable doubts anyway but I guess it would have to be one of those extremes in the first place but there's enough of them but I I've also heard that that these things cost so much in the end that uh that it really doesn't save you any money if it's a money thing and as a deterrent thing I don't really think uh personally I don't feel that capital punishment punishment as a deterrent is a is a big deal I don't think that really works that much
[speaker002:] yeah well of course you know we have New York City up here I'm in being in Rochester we're kind of
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they consider us more in Canada than in New York State area but uh up here you know we have we don't have too many serious problems with crime but I know in New York City it was a real it's a big deal they would like to have it back
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh I think it's gonna boil down to changing the governor if they really wanna put it through
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh they're building more prisons up here to try and put people in Attica is not too far away from where we are and that's at capacity and of course you know New York City is just packed with criminals that have done everything
[speaker001:] right it's
[speaker002:] so I you know I don't where it's going to go to in the end I just think that um I I I agree with you I'm not really that terribly against it as long as it looks like it's going to work and reduce the court load and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] the like
[speaker001:] oh down here it's not all peaceful either though I don't if you've been following any of this stuff course we had the big snafu right now with the the Mets thing but there have been a lot of uh a lot of things going on down here all the Gainesville murders
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I we heard that yeah
[speaker001:] course I don't think they've they that then actually down here there's been more more publicity going on on police police screw ups and and uh beatings and everything than than actual murders and uh the Gainesville with the Gainesville picking up people seemingly |
[speaker001:] [Tone] Well, we've talked a little bit about the Plano school system. Um, I, I really have been pleased with Plano. I have a child who, uh, my son is learning disabled,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, I thank God every day that I have the resources that we have tapped into.
[speaker002:] Now, is he the elementary school?
[speaker001:] He's in elementary school.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And he's not severely learning disabled.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean, you know, he just,
[speaker002:] But he is being helped.
[speaker001:] He's being helped. He, he was in resource from second grade till fourth grade in math,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and they recently released him from,
[speaker002:] Oh, great.
[speaker001:] resource, which I'm, I was thrilled, I really was. I, I just thought that was so neat, that they got him over that hump. And, um, he's in the Herman Method of Reading. I don't know if you're,
[speaker002:] No, that's something new to me. I'm,
[speaker001:] familiar with that. It is something new, and basically what they do is they start right from the beginning relearning the sounds of letters.
[speaker002:] [Faint] Oh.
[speaker001:] Um,
[speaker002:] I think I read about that in the paper.
[speaker001:] It's wonderful.
[speaker002:] Doctor Haggard is, is heading that up.
[speaker001:] Yes, and it's wonderful. He didn't have a problem with reading. As a matter of fact, he's reading on level. The problem was his spelling. And,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know, in, in watching the way he has struggled, it's interesting, because I'm convinced I have the same learning disability, or had,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] that was ignored. And,
[speaker002:] Right, so you worked, you learned how to solve your problems on your own.
[speaker001:] That's right. And, and so it's, you know, it's not an intelligence problem. It's just a problem with learning.
[speaker002:] Has, has he had this since kindergarten, or is this something that maybe learning phonetics, and then he just didn't learn the right way?
[speaker001:] Well, you know, it's funny. When, um, when he was in first grade, he had trouble with, with spelling,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I would say to the teacher, [lipsmack] you know, it's amazing. He will be able to, you'll say to him, spell cat, and, you know, he'll say C A T, and then he would go to write it, and he would write C O T.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] And I kept saying to the teacher, something is wrong here. Something is wrong here.
[speaker002:] You're right, right.
[speaker001:] And the teacher kept saying, oh, he has a May birthday. He's just immature.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] Well, second grade it was, I will, these teachers as far as I'm concerned are absolute saints, because in second grade, it was about the second week of school, I went up there, and I, I requested a conference and,
[speaker002:] Good, good,
[speaker001:] because all year long they kept telling me I was crazy.
[speaker002:] that's great for parents to be involved.
[speaker001:] Well, I was, and I, and I went up there the second week of school and I said, you know, something is wrong, and thank God the li-, the head teacher, the team leader, was a special education major.
[speaker002:] Oh, how great.
[speaker001:] It was, it was and,
[speaker002:] So she, she was able to zero in.
[speaker001:] She had picked it up, yep,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] she had already picked it up. And she said, you know, we, we were going to call you if you hadn't called us. We think there's a learning disability and we think he needs to be tested immediately, because, you know, once the first report card comes in, they,
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] have all these people being tested, and she said, I think we can get him real fast.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, [faint] uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And sure enough, they tested him and, you know, he qualified for, for the help, and it's been great, and I, and I thank God I'm here, because I, I know I have a sister who has the other extreme. She has a, a child in Connecticut who is extremely gifted, and because of the cutbacks in the economy
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] they have nothing for her.
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] And, and to me that's the same thing. It's, it's like having a child who has a learning disability that's being ignored,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] this poor gifted child is being ignored.
[speaker002:] Right, but that's something that parents, I think, are able to help the gifted child in the home more than they could help the learning disabled child.
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker002:] So, because,
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker002:] that's something you can do by just enrichment types of things in the home
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but learning disability, unless you are schooled in the types of things and ways to help a child like that, then it makes it real difficult
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and this is, this to me is the benefit I see in public schools
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] is that, that, uh, you do have government money to fund,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] the kinds of programs
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] that these students need, and I'm not sure that the private schools or parochial schools address that problem,
[speaker001:] [Breathing].
[speaker002:] they test kids before they take them,
[speaker001:] Exactly, and,
[speaker002:] and if they're a behavior problem, they're out.
[speaker001:] They don't take them, that's right.
[speaker002:] That, and, and,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] uh, this is kind of a rejection type of thing,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, and we get it even at our level in, in, I work a nine ten school, and we get students that come in that have been kicked out of the, uh, parochial and pub-, and, uh, private schools
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, they come in and their attitude is, "I'm a bad boy," and proceed to [LAUGHTER] prove it.
[speaker001:] Really, really.
[speaker002:] So I, I really hate that for them. I, I,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] would rather they not have that attitude, but [breathing] that's,
[speaker001:] Well, when comparing test scores, I know recently I was in a discussion and they were comparing test scores between private schools and public schools,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and that was one of the points that I made, is that you're not comparing apples to apples.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] You know, you can't say, um, you know, I know Steven probably would not be accepted because he has a learning disability and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] into a private school. And, um, which is, which is too bad. But on the other hand, I, I can't necessarily blame them,
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] you know, they, they are a private school and they,
[speaker002:] That's right,
[speaker001:] can do whatever they want.
[speaker002:] they can be selective, right.
[speaker001:] And they ca-, they, that's right, they have the ability to be selective. But you can't say then, well, public schools are, are not as good.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Perhaps they are, because they're, they're,
[speaker002:] If you choose the select top group out of the public schools and tested them, and then compared them to the pri-, to the private school group, then I think you would have a more equitable
[speaker001:] You're right.
[speaker002:] way. And I have a problem when they compare the kids in Japan or Germany to the kids here. In, in, in, uh, ho-, honesty, the kids in Japan are, they have to try out to even get into, to which kindergarten they're going to get into,
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] and then after, uh, and if, if you only, the, in fact, they've had cases in the past where parents have committed suicide because their child has not gotten into the top kindergarten, which means they probably won't get into the top elementary and, and high school,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and if they don't, then af-, when they reach a certain age, they just, that's the end of their schooling.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, and, uh, they don't ever really go on. It's only their top ones that go on, like ours do.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, and, uh, so that, that creates a problem. And,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and you can't compare, because they go so many more hours. The other thing is that the priority in the family is that child's education,
[speaker001:] Right,
[speaker002:] and is that child.
[speaker001:] well, you see that with the foreigners that come here.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] Um, I, I was talking to somebody recently or read somewhere where they, where they said that, you know, these children, they, they had to be the best, and they put off all social life, all everything,
[speaker002:] That's right, that's right.
[speaker001:] you know. Well, is that good? Yes, the child is very bright, but on the other hand, I feel like my children, who are kind of middle of the road, have,
[speaker002:] Better coping skills.
[speaker001:] are more rounded, you know.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Sure, sure, I think it's real important to have friends. I think it's real important to play sports. I think it's real important to be part of a team.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And so that's why I said, their childhood is extremely different from mine. We didn't do all that
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] you know. [LAUGHTER] We certainly didn't carpool and run the way I do. Um,
[speaker002:] Well, and you don't, you don't see the parents, uh, encouraging those students to get on athletic teams or,
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] drill teams or band,
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] it's strictly stick to the educational, and it's interesting to see them as they get older, uh, then that is the type of adult they are.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um. |
[speaker001:] [Children] Okay.
[speaker002:] [Talking] [sounds like a radio] All right. What have you seen?
[speaker001:] The latest movie I've seen that I thought was fantastic was DANCES WITH WOLVES.
[speaker002:] That's, I knew you were going to say that. I wanted, I want
[speaker001:] Oh, man.
[speaker002:] to go see that.
[speaker001:] [Noise] [sounds like water dripping] I, I just finally ended up going to see it, uh, and [LAUGHTER] one day my husband had the kids and I just went because we couldn't, we could never get to go see it together because it's so long. By the time we had a [LAUGHTER] babysitter for that long.
[speaker002:] Gosh.
[speaker001:] So I finally just went to see it. And I just thought it was fantastic.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I, I, I watched, uh, Costner [mispronounced] on the Academy Awards. I was really happy that he got, I was hoping he was going to get Best Actor.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, but he, he, he did pretty good on that one.
[speaker001:] That was quite a, [clicking] [sounds like ping pong] the buffalo scene in that thing
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] was so real. It's like, [LAUGHTER] I mean it just
[speaker002:] Yeah, I'd, I bet.
[speaker001:] blew me away.
[speaker002:] Yeah. There're several of them that are out right now that I want to see. Uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] DANCES. Uh, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.
[speaker001:] Uh, I'm, I'm afraid to go see that one. That one looks so scary just,
[speaker002:] [Groan].
[speaker001:] from the previews. I thought gosh
[speaker002:] Nay.
[speaker001:] I'd probably have nightmares for the next six months [LAUGHTER]. It's supposed to
[speaker002:] Nay. That's what people said,
[speaker001:] be good though. I know some friends who went to see it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They said it was really riveting.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, you know, they, they, that's what they said about THE EXORCIST, you know. No, no, it's terrible. You'll have nightmares, you know. I watched last weekend. Me and my roommate. We, we laughed about it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, you're not a thirteen year old. I don't know. I saw it when I was a kid and I thought, oh, man [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well, I'll tell, well I guess, I, I guess it was because I'd read the book before I saw the movie.
[speaker001:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And the book, to me, was far more frightening than the movie was.
[speaker001:] Oh, really. Huh. Gosh.
[speaker002:] Yeah. He's a very good writer and he had a way of putting you in that scene, you know. It was,
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] Yeah. And, of course, I was, I was living alone at the time and it was late at night and scary and, you know [LAUGHTER]. You start hearing noises
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Gosh. Call the crisis line.
[speaker002:] you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I bet.
[speaker002:] And there's rats in the attic, you know.
[speaker001:] Oh, gosh.
[speaker002:] Uh, let's see. There was a couple of others that are out,
[speaker001:] [Thumping].
[speaker002:] and I can't remember,
[speaker001:] I saw one I thought was crummy. With that new, uh, Michael J Fox movie, THE HARD WAY. Where he plays a, a actor that's, uh, like th-, huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I, I didn't, I didn't even like the previews on that.
[speaker001:] Oh, I know. It was, well I ended up at the theater and there was, didn't seem to be anything else on [LAUGHTER] I wanted to see, so I'll try that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But it wasn't worth anything. I didn't care [thumping]
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] for that at all.
[speaker002:] I, I don't much care for Michael J Fox anyway.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, the last two I saw him in, one of those BACK TO THE FUTURE, PART THREE deals and that was crummy also. I
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] didn't think that was any good so [child talking].
[speaker002:] I saw the original BACK TO THE FUTURE and then I, I know, I hardly ever go see a sequel.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean, I think, I think the only I've ever seen a sequel was TWO THOUSAND AND ONE.
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] Uh, TWO THOUSAND AND TEN was far better.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] TWO THOUSAND AND ONE was a good movie if you had read the book.
[speaker001:] Well, I hadn't read it and I couldn't figure what was going on half the time, so [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. No, nobody could figure it out. I mean
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] the, the book was so much, uh, there's just things, all you can do is put it in words. You can't put it in pictures.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, a lot of that stuff that was going on in the film, you co-, say what is this?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You know, what's the significance of the apes, you know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. I should probably go back and read the book now [LAUGHTER] that I just saw the movie again not too long ago.
[speaker002:] Oh, the book is really good. I mean, I, I keep a little library of books that I just like to read over and over again and that's one of them.
[speaker001:] Wow. Huh.
[speaker002:] It's, it's so well written.
[speaker001:] Huh. Well, I have one I bet you haven't seen if you don't have kids. OTIS AND MILO.
[speaker002:] Oh, you're right. I haven't [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [Noise] Oh, that is, that is the most precious movie. It has, w-, to see it on the big screen because it's just the most gorgeous nature scenes you've ever seen in your life. And it's all this, it's the story of this little cat and dog and it's not [swallowing] like cutesy. It's just, uh, it's just so realistic. Everything they do. You wonder how in the world they ever got them to do some of these things.
[speaker002:] Huh. Oh, those
[speaker001:] And it was,
[speaker002:] a real dog and cat?
[speaker001:] A real dog and
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] cat and all the other animals. They initially start out in the barnyard kind of setting where they're raised. And then the cat gets, um, on this treacherous journey. He climbs into a box and ends up floating down this river and he winds up all over creation. I don't know where in the world it is. Somewhere in China somewhere I think that it was filmed.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] But, uh, it's just really an incredible thing.
[speaker002:] So-, sounds sort of like the incredible journey.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It was pretty wild [LAUGHTER] and. Of course, the only sound is Dudley Moore narrates it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But there's no, you know, nothing else [LAUGHTER] to keep it going. But it really keeps
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] keeps me going. I, I've seen it twice now [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. Th-, that sounds a lot like a Walt Disney film.
[speaker001:] Huh?
[speaker002:] Sounds a lot a like a Walt Disney film.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It was like the best of the Walt Disney ones. Walt Disney's kind of [thumping] gotten worse in my opinion over the past few years.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. Not anymore. I mean, I, I, I was raised on Walt Disney films. You know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] OLD YELLER. Uh, BIG RED.
[speaker001:] Yeah. All those old good ones that you, you know, wish they had on
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] more now, but.
[speaker002:] When I was a little kid, I saw the INCREDIBLE JOURNEY on Christmas Eve and
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] it was so good that I had forgotten
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] that it was Christmas Eve. I mean
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] That's pretty good.
[speaker002:] that's something for a kid.
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] And that was something for greedy old me at Christmas time, I'll tell you.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Let's see. What are some other ones I've seen lately. I'm trying to remember. I can't. Oh, I just saw one on the video. Oh, um, have you seen THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY, PART TWO?
[speaker002:] No [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That is a riot.
[speaker002:] Is it?
[speaker001:] Yeah. The first one was really good. But the second one [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] is really good too. I was really surprised.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I didn't much care for the first one. Maybe that's,
[speaker001:] No, I thought it was funny. But, that's my sense of humor [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, I, I'll have to go get that one I guess.
[speaker001:] [Thumping] It's hard to find movies that aren't terrible violent or terribly bunch of sex going on anymore. And I'm just, I guess I'm just middle America or something. I just go to be entertained and
[speaker002:] Yeah. It's, it's, *need slash
[speaker001:] and not really interested in some of the, like the TERMINATOR or some of the Schwarzenegger [LAUGHTER] stuff. I just.
[speaker002:] Yeah. *b I get so tired of, you know, these, you know, sequels. Number nine, number ten, number
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] fourteen.
[speaker001:] FREDDY'S REVENGE PART TWENTY-FIVE [LAUGHTER] or whatever.
[speaker002:] Yeah, you know. Yeah, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I've never,
[speaker002:] FREDDY EATS A NUCLEAR WARHEAD, you know. I, I'm just, I'm so sick and tired of that.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] [thumping].
[speaker002:] I just can't believe it. It's like ROCKY films. I
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen any of those.
[speaker002:] I haven't seen a one. I can't stand Stallone.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I can't either. He seems so macho I just [ugh] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. And I, I was afraid that RAMBO was going to do the same thing that ROCKY was going to do, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Go into fourteen hundred episodes.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Ugh] Now I don't, I hardly ever watch T V. If I ever get the hankering to see something, I've got, I don't know, maybe about thirty or forty movies and I just,
[speaker001:] Yeah. When they're so cheap too at the video stores that you can.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I don't even rent them. You know.
[speaker001:] You don't?
[speaker002:] I, I figure if I find a movie I like, I'll buy it. Cause I just watch them over and over again.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] That's like, my husband does that. He can watch
[speaker002:] Yeah. I,
[speaker001:] them over and over. And I'm, there's very few I would want to see that many times. So he, he, once he has one he likes, he likes to watch it over and over.
[speaker002:] Yeah. My, my very favorite one that the top of the tick for me is, uh, EXCALIBUR.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah. That was a good one. I haven't seen that one in a long time.
[speaker002:] I, I loved that film. Um, it's just so well done.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I lived over in England for four years,
[speaker001:] [Screeching] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] That was the first place I ever saw it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it was just, gosh, it was so good.
[speaker001:] Oh, gosh.
[speaker002:] It was, it was filmed in Ireland.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] And they got pretty scenery in Ireland.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I bet [dishes].
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's nice.
[speaker001:] Gosh.
[speaker002:] And I, I've been down to the south of England where supposedly King Arthur's castle was.
[speaker001:] Oh, boy. So, that really has a lot of meaning for you to see that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it was, yeah it was unimpressive to look at. I mean, the whole thing was about the size of a, a medium house [LAUGHTER]. Yeah. It wasn't,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Oh, really [LAUGHTER]. Well, when I was in England years ago. And I went to, to like Shakespeare's and, you know, Stratford-On-Avon
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] and all that [LAUGHTER] and it was like you couldn't stand up inside of it because it was so
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] short. The ceilings
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] were so short. But [sigh]. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. There's some nice stuff over there to see.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I, I spent four years traveling around and didn't see, you know, hardly anything. I just,
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] I need,
[speaker001:] [Dishes].
[speaker002:] to go over there and stay about twenty years so I can just travel.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Go around all the places. Stonehenge, of course, you know. Every, everybody makes the obligatory trip to Stonehenge.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Okay, big deal. Here's some rocks sitting out in the middle of a field. Okay [LAUGHTER]. It's boring.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Did you see any movies over there [LAUGHTER]?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I remember I went to see DON QUIXOTE over there when it came out. It came out right around the time, with Sophia Loren and that was a riot to see that.
[speaker002:] You know something, I, come to think of it, I don't think I went to the movies one time.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Cause when you're touristing, you probably don't want to take the time to go see a movie.
[speaker002:] I, uh, where I lived. Uh, it was a little town called Newmarket.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] About seventy miles north of London.
[speaker001:] Oh, boy [thumping].
[speaker002:] And there was another town called Barry Saint Edmunds about twenty miles away from us.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And they had a little, uh, theater company there and we use to go, go out to that about once a week.
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] Yeah. A really nice place. You know, amateurs but really quite good.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, but that was interesting. Course
[speaker001:] That sounds great.
[speaker002:] go to London quite a lot and see shows down there.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, but other than that I just didn't have time to go to the movies, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Never sho-, any, anyway, anything that I ever wanted, I rented a lot of videos [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Cause the closest movie theater was Barry Saint Edmunds and who wants
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] who wants to drive twenty miles to go to the movies [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Probably some of them did [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] A lot of, a lot of people did.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But it would have to be a good show.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It's hard to know what the good movies are anymore.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because sometimes [dishes] the reviews you just can't go by.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I, I us-, they, they, they have all these neat phrases.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, you know, you know. Like critically acclaimed.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's what they when the thing hasn't won any award. *listen
[speaker001:] Oh, I see [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You know. They can't,
[speaker001:] It's kind of like waterfront property or something
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] if you're, you know, if you're two miles away from water [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, from Love Canal [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Water view [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Waterfront property here at Love Canal, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, you know, critically acclaimed. Oh, good grief. Give me a break.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's wh-, I mean, there's a lot of reasons why I don't go to movies.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And primarily, I mean, I, now I'm probably going to, going to upset you. But people who bring kids irritates the heck out of me [talking].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] [children] [NOISE]. |
[speaker001:] well what what what do you feel do you feel that that our government uh is it possible to have an honest government or do we have an honest
[speaker002:] um well I feel that for I feel there's a lot of shenanigans going on I feel there's a lot of crookedness in it but I do feel that for the most part um our government is you know trying trying to make things work the best they can um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] how about you
[speaker001:] well uh I'm I'm I'm rather young I'm only twenty two and so uh my knowledge is based you know mostly on what I read you know in history
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh right
[speaker001:] but I do think based on what I read uh what I've read through uh about about our history of our government I think things are getting better
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh in the in the last maybe ten or fifteen years where Americans are becoming a little more aware and uh are forcing our government to be uh on top of integrity you know as an order
[speaker002:] uh-huh right right I agree but the people are demanding that that those that aren't you know that aren't either morally or or politically or going to do a good job that they're they're trying to get them out of it or at least they're taking a stand
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] against it so um I know a lot of the well in our community you know the government the leaders here
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I feel like they're all all real good people that are trying their best to to provide a service to the community and
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] when you think that most of the most of the politicians I'm I'm not really sure what the pay scales are and and how that that works but um I don't agree with some of the ways that they they earn extra money on the side you know I feel that
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] that that that needs to be changed and and they should have more accounting on the different ways that they they earn their money have you ever ran for a public office probably not yeah probably not being twenty two not yet um my husband ran one time here in uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh have I no not yet huh-uh
[speaker002:] our little community and he ran you know for the town board and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we felt like it was a a real good experience I think that um you know when people are wanting to get involved to to to make changes for the better in the community that it's that's it's a good thing so
[speaker001:] right does it worry you that um say someone like David Duke got such such publicity during uh during his campaign and that and that now he's running for uh thinking of running for president does that worry you at all
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that does worry me especially when with his background you know and the people have already voted him down I I don't understand really
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum yeah yeah
[speaker002:] really his reasons for doing that I don't
[speaker001:] uh I I don't either
[speaker002:] I don't know what he's
[speaker001:] I hope he doesn't know something we or I hope yeah hope he doesn't know something we don't
[speaker002:] really that's right yeah I was I'm interested in um our state is looking for a new governor and we have had oh I think the number is seven already that are running for it and this is not until next year that have put you know their hat in in in the ring to run and
[speaker001:] um-hum wow
[speaker002:] and I was surprised by that because it had seemed to me like there was almost getting to be that it was hard to get people to run because of the reason that you know they dredge up every single thing in your past
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] I mean and not very many people want to lay their their whole life on the line like that and say hey I you know I've never made any mistakes and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I think that would be a little bit frightening to
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] to be put in the public eye like that myself but we've had it here in the state a lot of people that are going to run for for governor and it seems like there's a lot of people that are starting to talk about running for president again
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know when when Bush is when he's finished so
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um what do you think about the different you know the different formats the republican and democrat
[speaker001:] well uh
[speaker002:] do you think the parties are a good thing or do you think they need to be done away with or
[speaker001:] I'm kind of disappointed that that uh the two parties have such a stronghold in the in the nation because if if if you belong to any other party uh you know any other platform I should say uh you you're not represented
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I I don't I don't belong to any particular uh platform and and I don't think I ever will but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I'm afraid that um I think his name was Anderson was the the gentleman who ran for uh on an independent ticket against Reagan and
[speaker002:] oh yes uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh Carter um I was real disappointed that uh uh that he didn't he didn't have a chance uh because he didn't have a platform behind him uh uh you know a group and
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh
[speaker001:] I think that's a little bit disconcerting you know where
[speaker002:] right it is
[speaker001:] where uh where we really really Americans don't have a voice unless they participate within one one of the two systems
[speaker002:] uh-huh and especially where if if you don't completely agree with their platform if there's I mean there's not a lot of choice like you say and you have to have the financial support or there's just no hope and
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] um I know that one of the judges |
[speaker001:] okay I guess tonight's subject is uh woodworking do you uh
[speaker002:] what kind of woodworking do you do
[speaker001:] well kind kind of mainly the woodworking I've done lately is uh made like uh for example a little nativity scene um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] not the uh the whole figurines and so forth but mainly the stable put some shelves in and and some odd stuff around the house and so I I enjoy doing a little bit of woodworking and I do it out of hobby more than uh um you know something I have to do how about yourself
[speaker002:] uh well well it yeah I like to think of it as a hobby but I I guess also partly out of necessity just repairing things around the house um a few years ago uh we we needed uh they needed some book shelves and I kind of drew up some simple plans to make some book shelves and um uh it it actually worked pretty well and over the years I've I've refined those plans I got myself a router and I'm I'm very good at making book shelves
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it it's also a way of relieving stress my wife kind of laughs at me that anytime I get stressed I just go out in the garage and we've got more book shelves but
[speaker001:] well I'll have to come and see them that sounds like a good idea I you know and that's that is right it is out of necessity because a lot of the things that uh well we can't be able to afford but also I I sometimes sometimes think that uh I enjoy doing that and I like to get out and and uh to work with my hands and uh sounds like you got some real nice tools too do you think you would be able to do some more if you had more tools and different tools
[speaker002:] uh well yeah I mean little by little I I started out with just basic hand tools and kind of added on to things uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] gotten a a good belt sander and and the router uh helps a lot because you can make better joints with a router
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the latest project that I've been working on and and this has kind of been sitting here for a few months is a a cabinet to to put a TV in
[speaker001:] oh a entertainment type center oh
[speaker002:] right and it that's works well because you can design it to to suit whatever equipments you have
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] so I designed a space just the right size for the TV and then the the the VCR and shelves on the side for my stereo equipment and uh
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] that's worked pretty well uh with uh with the router you can make nice uh I guess dado joints is what it's called
[speaker001:] right or yes I yeah I'm aware of that
[speaker002:] um and it's uh
[speaker001:] and also with a router you can uh make ornamental facings too better than a just straight wood edge and uh
[speaker002:] that's right that's right
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] casings and so forth that are that are real nice so that that's good that's good
[speaker002:] what I what I need next is a good table saw and I I debate whether it the better if you get a uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] just a straight table saw or to get one of these uh rotary arm saws radial arm saws I guess what they're called
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] um it it seems to me the radial arm saws is better well it it takes up less room I mean you you set the wood down and you move the saw whereas if you're ripping wood you're probably better off with a a table saw
[speaker001:] yes yes well and with a radial arm saw if you do have a a big piece of wood that you need to rip like you say or cut you wouldn't be able to do that um but uh yeah a table saw does take a lot of time excuse me a lot of space and is a pretty big investment and uh
[speaker002:] yeah uh that that's partly my problem now is I don't have room for this I uh a we're uh where we lived before up north uh basements were were common and I could've put all this stuff in my basement but not so here in Texas
[speaker001:] uh-huh yes uh-huh no they don't have basements well I'm from up north also and and uh no there's no basements down here and it's kind of uh hard to get uh shop space unless you have a dedicated shop or a dedicated room for that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah lot of the equipment too that I've I've used in the past uh I would you know I've used in school and uh I would I don't know I'd I'd kind of like to to look at equipment like a lathe or like you say a table saw and some of those things that would make uh some pretty nice uh pieces of uh well wood for for different things for tables for for or um chairs for you know decks and so forth so
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't know I I just enjoy woodworking and I think the the main thing is like you say it's a it's a good out it's an opportunity to get out and relieve some of the pressure that you feel day to day and it's a great strase stress reliever
[speaker002:] have you ever used a lathe
[speaker001:] yes I have in school I have and I've made uh uh different things uh lathe type tables for chairs and I've made uh bowls and um and uh |
[speaker001:] well what do you think about how we've changed in the last ten twenty years
[speaker002:] I think it's pretty amazing I think um that my grandparents especially have seen a whole lot of change in their lives but um
[speaker001:] in in like in what ways particularly are you thinking
[speaker002:] well technology but also morals morals and things like that I think even even in the last like four years you can still see things falling so fast and that can be
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] for me that's the biggest change it's so frustrating um to see everything
[speaker001:] disintegrating
[speaker002:] disintegrating and losing control your your losing control it seems like of the moral fiber of our society
[speaker001:] yeah it seems that well it its a seems like it's definitely a transitional time I'm not sure exactly what's happening there're good things that have happened but but at the moment we're suffering from I think information overload for one thing um just just the technology like you mentioned
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] faxes and car phones and VCRs and all of that that make us so immediate there there's no time for relationships talking sitting being with each other all of that
[speaker002:] I think you're really right I think like well even with computers um
[speaker001:] oh yes
[speaker002:] you can there I mean there's so much that's happening in in that field and it it just has forced us to go so fast and um even the way we write it used to be if you read a book like you know Thomas Hardy takes two chapters to establish the mood and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and just describes the scenery and what's been going on and stuff and now we just chopped all that out and say well let's get to the point and
[speaker001:] exactly no patience
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] no attention span
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] these sound bites you're exactly right I mean all there's all that and then we've got the rich getting richer and everyone else getting poorer with with you know with with little hope of of having any impact I think impotence is a is a a word that that suits most of America now we don't feel like we can influence you know influence anything
[speaker002:] yeah you feel out of control
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh like just a few people have it all wrapped up and they're not going to let you through um
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and it's a bad feeling
[speaker002:] yeah it is it's really frustrating and the way our families you know our nuclear families are disintegrating and stuff it's just a real
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you don't have the the social networks we used to have to
[speaker001:] yeah go ahead
[speaker002:] to protect the family and protect the people in the family and things like that with everyone moving you know every five years you lose your contacts you lose trusted friends that you know they'll do things you know in America it seems now it's independence is the thing and
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know heaven forbid if you ask anyone for anything
[speaker001:] yeah then that's
[speaker002:] whereas we used to be able to depend on each other and trust each other and you'll help me and I'll help you not and not in this corrupted sense but in the sense of you know when you're in trouble and you need someone you know someone to babysit the kids sure
[speaker001:] um-hum the interdependence interdependence in a nice way
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] yeah I think uh I I don't know there was a lot there was good and bad in the nuclear family we've certainly found out a lot about the bad about it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh but but but the community however the family looked and it didn't always look like a nuclear family even then you know you had generations living together or you know whatever community has just definitely been lost and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I think a lot of people are trying to reestablish it in all sorts of different ways um you know well okay so we don't have a small town and okay so we move but you know maybe there's some way that we can have a group that works together you know everything from people who do live in communal you know almost commune areas that they've started up again you know um special cities or little towns that do that to people who do it through a church or through a book club or something I mean something you know even offices have started sort of becoming the community
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I think I think because it's a necessity
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] as as as human beings we need a network around us of people we can rely on I guess that's uh thing is that right now it's such a um
[speaker001:] um-hum and yeah
[speaker002:] temporary thing that how far does it go how far can you depend on them and they're so much more fragile at the touch you know
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and that's a good point and and we don't have the intergenerational generational community either which means that do you do you have to be between twenty and forty to be accepted and if |
[speaker002:] oh I'm sorry
[speaker001:] it's okay you can get started there
[speaker002:] okay I think LA Law
[speaker001:] oh that's probably what I was going to say
[speaker002:] and uh Dallas I I'm a
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] I'm a veteran of all of Dallas shows
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] it's very embarrassing
[speaker001:] oh yeah where where are you calling from
[speaker002:] Dallas
[speaker001:] Dallas yeah I'm from Rowlett
[speaker002:] oh okay I just moved here last April
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] and uh I got my husband I got I got married to a TIer and uh well the first thing my mom and I did when we moved out here was go to Southfork it was very embarrassing
[speaker001:] really I was going to ask you if you've been out to Southfork
[speaker002:] they have a museum there of all the Dallas uh uh people and they have they even have a a genealogy chart of all of the people who married who and whose children are whose and they even went so far as to put dotted lines on there as to who had an affair with who
[speaker001:] uh-huh huh
[speaker002:] it was pretty bad bad because I understood all of it
[speaker001:] okay I I can't say I'm that much of a faithful Dallas follower maybe it's because because I live here and I know how hokey it is I don't know one of my uh uh I went to school out in Plano and one of my my classmates married one of the uh uh one of the Duncans that actually owned Southfork when it started
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] so and I think she was in some of the shows for a while as extra and stuff so
[speaker002:] yeah that wasn't a very good thing that happened to that family
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they kind of went in there and took over
[speaker001:] well what are you going to do they're they're coming to the end of their season uh
[speaker002:] well that's what I'm doing May third I'm going to sit right here watch it
[speaker001:] I was going to say there's going to be no more Dallas reruns
[speaker002:] actually I haven't watched it much this season in the last couple of years I've been on that uh downward trend
[speaker001:] yeah of course they're uh they're probably going to set it up for some kind of sequel or something in the future and uh
[speaker002:] yeah those TV movies or something
[speaker001:] yeah it's got to come back
[speaker002:] it was funny I I spent a a year overseas a few years ago and all the TV was I was in Japan and all the TV shows were in Japanese
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but they showed reruns of Dallas and it was great because I could turn it on and all of the people were very familiar to me and I'd seen all of the shows so I knew what was going on
[speaker001:] so you didn't need to know the language
[speaker002:] huh-uh but it it was it was really nice when you move to such a foreign culture to see all these familiar faces
[speaker001:] how about that true and hear hear the weird voices
[speaker002:] yeah all those dubs it's terrible
[speaker001:] it like yeah somebody one time was talking about John Wayne movies with these weird Japanese voices and it's hard to imagine well what do you think about what's going on on LA Law this year it's
[speaker002:] well I
[speaker001:] have you seen it the past couple of weeks
[speaker002:] I can't remember the last time I saw it I know that um Susan Dey is with Jimmy Smits
[speaker001:] yeah and she's pregnant did you know that
[speaker002:] yeah and that just she doesn't belong with him
[speaker001:] and that they kicked Michael Kuzak out did you know that
[speaker002:] no he's not with the firm anymore
[speaker001:] no he uh the the I'm trying to remember Leland decided to extend Brackman's uh reign as a senior partner
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and the rest of the partners all got up in arms about it and Michael met with them and said and said you know we got to do something about this we need to make a proposal let somebody else be the leader and he kind of elected himself and everybody else went along with it and they they uh gave it to Leland and he hit the roof and um he and Brackman talked about it and and Brackman decided to try and do away with him so he fired him because he he violated one of their policies of going behind a senior partner's back or something so they fired him they chased him off with the security guards they're fighting out that battle now he's firm formed his own firm
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] he uh what else did he do he did a lot of nasty nasty stuff behind their back yeah he stole Grace and Victor they've gone with him um
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] and um who are the other two he stole two associates
[speaker002:] um the the tax attorney
[speaker001:] Abby and Jonathan he he took Abby and Jonathan with him
[speaker002:] yeah really
[speaker001:] yeah and he he went to uh he went to the bank and he took um I can't remember the guy the guy he defended for murder Earl you know they had a lien against his house so he'd pay his legal bills do you remember that
[speaker002:] the the black guy that
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] he was a teacher
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they they they put a lien against his house so he'd pay his legal bills because it was like three or four hundred thousand dollars or something
[speaker002:] whoa
[speaker001:] well Michael reduced his legal fees to twenty thousand dollars
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so that they cut that out so they they couldn't have a lien on his house anymore so he did away with that and then he went to the bank because the bank gave him apparently some extra credit because they had that lien well s ince they didn't have the lien anymore they couldn't have the credit from the bank so that that got the firm in hot water
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and then then Michael went to court and and uh petitioned that they needed to go into solvency because they were so financially in bad shape
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh they all showed up in court um Leland was going to try a motion make a motion before that so they ended up both being in court in front of the judge pleading their case and um I think I think Michael was doing it on the one hand and the guy that do you remember the guy that that uh Grace had an affair with the other lawyer that she had an affair with for a while kind of an older guy she
[speaker002:] at the firm
[speaker001:] no he wasn't at the firm he was like Rosalyn Chase's lawyer before
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] it was earlier in the season she had an affair with this other lawyer
[speaker002:] no I guess I didn't see those
[speaker001:] and and anyway Leland Leland apparently has hired him on now and he's and he's defending this case
[speaker002:] jeez
[speaker001:] and what happened at the end is the judge um um uh Michael wanted wanted the firm put in receivership and the judge wouldn't do it but he said he he's going to give a like a ten day uh evaluation and he was going to put it in the hands of a businessman to to run it and see if the firm was salvageable or not
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and and both parties had to come up with with lists of people that were suitable to to run it and he rejected both of the lists and came up with his own person you'll you'll never guess who this person is
[speaker002:] who
[speaker001:] think of the worst well now it might be hard but think of the the worst person that's been on the show uh-huh in in the past two years besides Rosalyn she's dead and gone
[speaker002:] yeah she's that was weird that was very weird um the worst person
[speaker001:] goofy
[speaker002:] I don't know
[speaker001:] you'll never get it it's it's uh was it Roxanne
[speaker002:] Roxanne the the secretary
[speaker001:] Roxanne's ex-husband
[speaker002:] David Meyer well he's got a lot of business smarts though
[speaker001:] yeah I know that's who he put in charge of the firm you
[speaker002:] I think what she did to him was a travesty
[speaker001:] yeah but he's going to be he's going to be running the firm for the next I don't know ten days or whatever to evaluate
[speaker002:] that's funny boy they've really got their uh talk about a genealogy chart
[speaker001:] yeah that's pretty pretty strange well they they've already said that um who is it I guess it's Susan Dey and and uh whoever plays Kuzak isn't coming back next year so some of this some of this has to do with why they're not coming back I guess
[speaker002:] yeah well is um the tax attorney and his wife still married married
[speaker001:] yeah they're going to stay there in fact um Susan Dey and and uh the the wife had had a confrontation about it
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] why why they didn't invite them and and the the firm that Kuzak founded is just a litigation firm and they said well we wanted we wanted you but we didn't really want Stuart because he's not a litigationist and we didn't figure you you would come without him and and we're going to be fighting against each other so
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] oh so it's just kind of weird
[speaker002:] that that's a weird marriage
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they're married in real life
[speaker001:] I know
[speaker002:] I know they've had I was surprised when they started having big problems and then I only caught part of the episode where he went on that uh nature deal
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and and he got real into it I guess
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that was kind of bizarre yeah it's interesting to talk about their marriage their marriage in real life because she had breast cancer and that
[speaker002:] oh she did
[speaker001:] yeah and that was real tough for him and there were some times on the show where there were some real emotional things going on with the |